●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Thursday, June 17, 2021 ●● ● Jun 17 [00:01] MinceR Xonotic hasn't moved yet officially [00:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [00:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 31.90 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 11.46 [00:01] MinceR they were waiting for a Matrix bridge which was already sorted out, afaik [00:04] MathAmphetamine ReactOS is going to leave IRC [00:04] sebsebsebseb DaemonFC: techrights was happy on the new Freenode or so I thought [00:04] sebsebsebseb MathAmphetamine: completly? that would be ashame [00:05] sebsebsebseb MathAmphetamine: been to the react os stand in brussels the last few years it was on, that was something :) [00:05] *MathAmphetamine is now known as CrystalMath [00:05] DaemonFC ReactOS set out to clone Windows 95 and 26 years later, I hear they're very close. [00:05] XRevan86 MathAmphetamine: ugh [00:05] CrystalMath ReactOS uses Mattermost primarily [00:06] DaemonFC They were pitching the idea to Pretend Russian President stand-in Medvedev of state funding at one point. [00:06] XRevan86 They did. Whatever. [00:06] DaemonFC The funny part is it wouldn't be a bad idea for the Russian government to fund it. [00:07] XRevan86 DaemonFC: I doubt it. [00:07] DaemonFC Running Windows is more expensive and not in their best interests. [00:08] DaemonFC It's also a treadmill. You build anything for it and then "upgrade" and it stops working even though Windows itself is not more useful. [00:08] XRevan86 DaemonFC: A buggy Windows knock-off is not it either. [00:08] MinceR windows knock-offs are expected to be buggy [00:08] DaemonFC I got put in the doghouse early on for a middling review of Windows Me. [00:09] MinceR they wouldn't be like the original otherwise [00:09] XRevan86 MinceR: They're differently buggy, which is not right. [00:09] DaemonFC The problem of System File Protection wasn't that Microsoft did it. It's that they weren't doing it all along. [00:09] MinceR indeed, but bugs are difficult to copy [00:09] DaemonFC Applications got used to dll stomping being allowed, and then they all did it, and then there was a complete mess, and by the time Microsoft did anything about it, the solution broke those programs. [00:10] MinceR ah, salix _did_ move, but they didn't announce it on their IRC channel [00:11] XRevan86 MinceR: That's prudent :) [00:11] MinceR :> [00:13] XRevan86 MinceR: Messages aren't logged, so that's the usual approach for announcement. [00:13] XRevan86 just cast everyone and tell [00:13] XRevan86 if ye're not there for it, then tough [00:13] sebsebsebseb MinceR: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/06/jingos-crowdfunding-campaign-is-live [00:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | JingPad Linux Tablet Crowdfunding Campaign is Now Live - OMG! Ubuntu! [00:13] sebsebsebseb MinceR: that looks interesting :) [00:13] DaemonFC That idiot that Roy linked to..... [00:14] sebsebsebseb MinceR: it's a bit Apple inspired though :D [00:14] DaemonFC The fact that China isn't running laps around the UK with an aircraft carrier right now doesn't mean they have no aggressive ambitions. [00:14] DaemonFC It means they're patient enough to wait until the west finishes self-destructing before they move in further. [00:14] techrights-bot/fn #JingPad #Linux Tablet Crowdfunding Campaign is Now Live http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152315#comment-29962 [00:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Crowdfunding for the JingPad A1 Linux tablet begins | Tux Machines [00:15] sebsebsebseb DaemonFC: yep to get people like me using the tablet that's the agreesive strategy LOL [00:15] DaemonFC If you start acting aggressive while other countries can still stop you, then scrapping their military to save money in the national budget becomes impossible to sell to the public. [00:15] schestowitz good to see China taking gnu/linux forward [00:15] schestowitz but... not sure how "freedom-respecting" this is [00:16] DaemonFC I saw a report about the UK losing blue sea navy capabilities by the middle of the century. [00:16] DaemonFC But it could happen sooner, I suppose. [00:16] sebsebsebseb schestowitz: exactly indeed looks like some bits witll be propritary etc, when you read the blog post [00:16] DaemonFC They're like Illinois the country, really. [00:16] DaemonFC Like most countries in Western Europe. [00:17] MinceR sebsebsebseb: what's crApple-inspired about that? [00:17] sebsebsebseb schestowitz: uh did you just take the story from my shared ink etc, and put on tux machines ? [00:17] sebsebsebseb MinceR: the way the interface is like in some ways, that's one thing I think [00:17] sebsebsebseb MinceR: its supooused to be a bit like a Ipad, but running Linux, and then can even do android apps some how it seems [00:17] DaemonFC Too much government manipulation in the economy. That goes on in a lot of places because they have lobbyists and pressure to make employment numbers not look fucking terrible even though they gave away their industry. [00:18] MinceR i see the driver situation isn't exactly great [00:18] MinceR with the JingPad [00:18] MinceR maybe the PineTab is better [00:18] schestowitz https://krita.org/en/item/developer-chat-moving/ [00:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krita.org | Developer chat moving | Krita [00:18] schestowitz x https://www.c4isrnet.com/opinion/2021/06/15/the-growing-threat-of-european-tech-regulation-on-us-innovation/ [00:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.c4isrnet.com | The growing threat of European tech regulation on US innovation [00:19] schestowitz BS lobbying [00:19] XRevan86 schestowitz: That's not interesting. The interesting ones are the ones that stayed. [00:19] DaemonFC The driver situation usually isn't great on any OS. Either the vendor halfasses their own proprietary driver and then gives up as soon as they're not making more money off that piece of hardware, or they do an open source driver but don't document what any of it means and do call outs to binary firmwares that nobody is allowed to decompile. [00:19] DaemonFC Like Nvidia on the first half and Intel on the other. [00:19] XRevan86 Not staying is the default. [00:19] MinceR lol @ screen dimming despite mouse being moved all the time [00:20] sebsebsebseb MinceR: what on the tablet or ? [00:20] MinceR yes [00:20] sebsebsebseb oh [00:20] DaemonFC I can do better. Windows not accepting my fingerprint about 10% of the time my screen has been locked. [00:20] sebsebsebseb I think it would be intersging device to have but it'sl ike 500 pounds [00:20] sebsebsebseb looks like it will happen though [00:20] sebsebsebseb since all the interest in the crowd fund they already had and such [00:20] sebsebsebseb apparnatly some of the hardware in it is a bit 2017 though [00:21] MinceR UI looks like KDE [00:21] sebsebsebseb also no joey on omgubuntu it's not just a 99 dollar t shirt, it's a meal wit hthe developrs it turns out too :) [00:21] sebsebsebseb MinceR: yes it's meant to be like KDE [00:21] MinceR including those annoying fullscreen splash screens every time you start something :> [00:21] sebsebsebseb as well [00:22] schestowitz in a moment I'll post tons of linux news... must catch up after being away for many hours [00:22] schestowitz users in freenode now up to 60 [00:22] phobos/fn lol [00:22] DaemonFC This Microsoft D3D 12 Mesa thing is quite troubling. [00:22] schestowitz from around 50 yesterday [00:22] schestowitz 85 or 84 two days ago [00:23] DaemonFC That a project lets itself be used like this, where there's no possible FOSS use case for this state tracker. [00:23] DaemonFC It could only possibly benefit Microsoft. [00:23] sebsebsebseb main Linux related news is that Mincer is going to get rid of all his Linux installs, since he can't be bothered anymore with a non system d system anymore, and he is going to switch to Apple Mac OS X as his full time OS for a laugh [00:23] MinceR that makes a lot of sense [00:23] MinceR sebsebsebseb: so, when did crApple adopt systemd? [00:23] DaemonFC They use "LaunchD". [00:24] DaemonFC Ubuntu glossed it over and declared it unsuitable back in 2006. [00:24] MinceR launchd is not the same [00:25] sebsebsebseb oh yeah he's poor in Hungary too, so on top of that, it's a older Mac with a older version of Mac OS X [00:26] MinceR i'm not so poor that i couldn't buy all the crApple products [00:26] MinceR i just don't like spending my money on shit [00:27] schestowitz what is launchd? [00:27] schestowitz serious question btw [00:28] sebsebsebseb MinceR: nope your own personal shit is free I think, hey DaemonFC want some of it :D ? [00:28] MinceR crApple's "init system" that tries to do too much [00:28] MinceR one of the inspirations for systemd [00:28] DaemonFC No, you might be thinking of Service Management Framework from Solaris. [00:28] MinceR jordan hubbard wanted FreeBSD to adopt it [00:28] techrights-bot/fn They mean cracking https://apnews.com/article/government-and-politics-hacking-technology-business-7350235e07d46ba5afc1238b553ea4b9 [00:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-apnews.com | Critical entities targeted in suspected Chinese cyber spying [00:28] MinceR yeah, that's another one [00:29] CrystalMath hey does this server do SASL? [00:29] DaemonFC Yes, it does. [00:29] CrystalMath nice, i'll set it up [00:30] XRevan86 sebsebsebseb: It's hard to be happy about freenode right now. [00:30] MinceR seems to me many people are happy about it [00:30] sebsebsebseb XRevan86: wel we dind't expect him to just get rid of all the old stuff nope [00:30] sebsebsebseb schestowitz: why didn't you switch techrights to libera ? [00:30] XRevan86 MinceR: Really? Who? [00:30] CrystalMath i want to install hyperion-ircd to experience memories [00:30] CrystalMath sebsebsebseb: screw illibera [00:30] sebsebsebseb CrystalMath: why ? [00:30] CrystalMath RMS haters, anti-free-speech idiots [00:30] MinceR XRevan86: people on illibera [00:31] sebsebsebseb CrystalMath: who ? [00:31] CrystalMath sebsebsebseb: liberians, that's who [00:31] sebsebsebseb MinceR: most people on freenode went there [00:31] CrystalMath sebsebsebseb: and that's a shame [00:31] CrystalMath running into the hands of oppressors [00:31] XRevan86 MinceR: Ah, not sure if they're happy about their old work just turning to dust. [00:31] MinceR not the staff [00:32] MinceR though i suppose the old staff are also happy to see freenode suffer [00:32] CrystalMath i'm going to set up on localhost a little hyperion-ircd [00:32] techrights-bot/fn A @PINE64 June update: new hardware and more on the way https://odysee.com/@PINE64:a/june-update-new-hardware-and-more-on-the:e #gnu #linux [00:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | June update: new hardware and more on the way [00:32] CrystalMath and i'm going to recreate freenode from 2008 on it [00:32] sebsebsebseb CrystalMath: RMS haters aye [00:32] sebsebsebseb no mostp eopel respct him [00:32] CrystalMath if someone has a motd from then, paste it to me please [00:32] sebsebsebseb int open source [00:32] sebsebsebseb i think [00:32] techrights-bot/fn #finland out to delete #ProprietarySoftware as a start... https://www.lvm.fi/en/-/european-cooperation-in-cyber-security-increases-proposal-on-finland-s-coordination-centre-sent-out-for-comments-1374175 [00:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lvm.fi | European cooperation in cyber security increases, proposal on Finlands Coordination Centre sent out for comments - Ministry of Transport and Communications [00:32] CrystalMath sebsebsebseb: libera staff signed the letter against RMS [00:33] CrystalMath sebsebsebseb: libera staff said they want to ban people who say the US election was stolen [00:33] CrystalMath well one person [00:33] sebsebsebseb CrystalMath: what so where did free software founadtion go to on irc then ? [00:33] CrystalMath sadly there [00:33] MinceR there are some people spamming channels about freenode and illibera with some crap [00:33] sebsebsebseb really hmm [00:33] CrystalMath but they put themselves into the hands of oppressors [00:34] MinceR the FSF ran into the arms of their enemies [00:34] MinceR their founder was cancelled once already, they didn't learn from that [00:34] sebsebsebseb seems the world is a it mesesd up right now in certina weyas [00:34] MinceR i guess we'll have to reorganize what's left of the movement in cells [00:34] sebsebsebseb the covid stuff [00:34] sebsebsebseb in the UK, maybe something I read earlier to do iwth co op and gb neews new channel not sure, need to read more into that [00:34] sebsebsebseb in Engalnd our freedom day of June 21st nope [00:35] sebsebsebseb July 29th instead apparnatly [00:35] sebsebsebseb some indina strain going aroudn despite how most people stayedi nside the country [00:35] sebsebsebseb indian [00:35] sebsebsebseb and then all this IRCrubbish too to do with Freenode as well [00:35] sebsebsebseb so I am on three networks right now instead ofo ne [00:35] sebsebsebseb here [00:35] sebsebsebseb libera [00:35] sebsebsebseb the new freenode [00:36] sebsebsebseb yes konversation can do more than one network, but easier to just be on one network [00:36] XRevan86 sebsebsebseb: The way the channels I'm in are, I'm on two networks. [00:36] MinceR sebsebsebseb: is that a significant load for your computer? [00:36] sebsebsebseb MinceR: yep since I run the leaked version of Mincer OS [00:36] sebsebsebseb MinceR: it works rather rubbishey [00:37] MinceR i'm on 11 networks [00:37] MinceR load average: 0.06, 0.05, 0.00 [00:37] sebsebsebseb it can just abuot handle being on IRC, with this MinceR OS thing [00:37] MinceR the vps isn't exactly straining to keep up [00:37] CrystalMath sebsebsebseb: i'm sure that libera will ban any criticism of lockdowns / vaccines / masks (doesn't mean i'm against the latter two) [00:38] sebsebsebseb CrystalMath: on libera i don't think so [00:38] sebsebsebseb it's basically freenode [00:38] sebsebsebseb most peopel gone there [00:38] sebsebsebseb except for you lot [00:38] CrystalMath old freenode didn't allow it [00:38] CrystalMath new freenode is free speech [00:39] techrights-bot/fn "Linux gamers using the Valves Proton compatibility tool to run Windows games on their systems will be soon getting a performance upgrade as Nvidia has announced that its working with Valve to bring FPS boosts using its DLSS technology featured on RTX cards." https://www.digit.in/news/gaming/nvidia-partnering-with-valve-to-bring-dlss-to-linux-59781.html [00:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digit.in | Nvidia partnering with Valve to bring DLSS to Linux | Digit [00:40] CrystalMath sebsebsebseb: i'm not one of those idiots that believes in canceling people [00:40] sebsebsebseb CrystalMath: I think in general n some communits if you go al anti vacine pubically peoel going to get a bit uh [00:40] sebsebsebseb same for masks in some situations [00:40] sebsebsebseb CrystalMath: what you mean cancelign peopel ? [00:40] techrights-bot/fn The 12 Best #Games to Play on Your #Chromebook in 2021 https://www.maketecheasier.com/awesome-games-chromebook/ [00:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | The 12 Best Games to Play on Your Chromebook in 2021 - Make Tech Easier [00:40] CrystalMath sebsebsebseb: oh you know, cancel culture [00:40] CrystalMath read about it on wikipedia, i don't wish to get worked up explaining what it means [00:40] sebsebsebseb we will cancel MinceR and put hm to death ! [00:41] CrystalMath ugh, i'll only stay on this channel from now on, the freenode one pings me because of the bridge [00:41] CrystalMath and i fully respect techrights's decision to be independent and self-hosting [00:41] schestowitz freenode is always there [00:41] sebsebsebseb CrystalMath: yes and your messages end up on freenode too, becaus of the bridge [00:41] schestowitz and that's good [00:42] CrystalMath sebsebsebseb: that's good [00:42] schestowitz freenode should stop engineering its own scandals [00:42] CrystalMath sebsebsebseb: well as you can see it can sometimes lose its data :P [00:42] sebsebsebseb CrystalMath: oh yours will be kept on there in particular [00:42] MinceR i doubt there was much engineering involved [00:42] CrystalMath sebsebsebseb: why in particular? [00:42] schestowitz right, exactly, MinceR [00:43] schestowitz but they showed an example of self-inflicted harm [00:43] sebsebsebseb CrystalMath: since you are a bad person :D [00:43] sebsebsebseb A bad man ! [00:43] CrystalMath why? :( [00:43] sebsebsebseb you just are :D [00:43] sebsebsebseb a bit like MinceR [00:43] sebsebsebseb ha ha [00:43] CrystalMath i simply believe in things that i believe in, like individual freedom [00:44] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Would be better if freenode had RELAYMSG, ye know? [00:44] sebsebsebseb DaemonFC too he's been in trouble with hte cops in the US I belive [00:44] CrystalMath i fight for that on every front [00:44] CrystalMath XRevan86: does it require privileges? [00:44] MinceR sebsebsebseb: because of my race or because of my gender? [00:44] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Yes, but freenode needs to support it first. [00:44] sebsebsebseb MinceR: both [00:44] MinceR i see [00:44] sebsebsebseb MinceR: Hungaries are a bit uh some lol [00:45] XRevan86 CrystalMath: https://github.com/inspircd/inspircd-contrib/blob/master/3.0/m_relaymsg.cpp [00:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-inspircd-contrib/m_relaymsg.cpp at master inspircd/inspircd-contrib GitHub [00:45] sebsebsebseb and men are seen as bad [00:45] techrights-bot/fn "Want another game engine reimplementation to play Quake II? Yamagi Quake II is another that's quite advanced and big new release is available with Vulkan support." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/alternate-quake-ii-game-engine-yamagi-quake-ii-adds-vulkan [00:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Alternate Quake II game engine Yamagi Quake II adds optional Vulkan support | GamingOnLinux [00:45] techrights-bot/fn "Want another game engine reimplementation to play Quake II? Yamagi Quake II is another that's quite advanced and big new release is available with Vulkan support." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/alternate-quake-ii-game-engine-yamagi-quake-ii-adds-vulkan [00:46] schestowitz XRevan86: is that ircd any good in general. better than previous features-wise? [00:47] MinceR it's a bit flaky [00:47] XRevan86 schestowitz: I have absolutely no idea. All I know is that this is CC++ [00:47] MinceR i was told i'll have to upgrade irssi so i won't get an extra : at the start of mode parameters [00:47] MinceR for now, irssi doesn't notice people having their modes changed [00:47] XRevan86 schestowitz: Ariadne should have expertise here. [00:47] techrights-bot/fn Control AMD's Wraith cooler RGB on Linux using #WraithMaster with a new release | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/control-amds-wraith-cooler-rgb-on-linux-using-wraith-master-with-a-new-release [00:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Control AMD's Wraith cooler RGB on Linux using Wraith Master with a new release | GamingOnLinux [00:48] sebsebsebseb MinceR: you bad bad bad Man ! [00:48] MinceR upgrading irssi isn't exactly that easy on fixed release [00:48] sebsebsebseb CrystalMath your a sweet heart compared to MinceR but still a bad man too ha ha [00:48] techrights-bot/fn Two Point Campus is coming to Linux from the Two Point Hospital team | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/two-point-campus-is-coming-to-linux-from-the-two-point-hospital-team #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest [00:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Two Point Campus is coming to Linux from the Two Point Hospital team | GamingOnLinux [00:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [00:49] XRevan86 schestowitz: But I think that this is very subjective territory, as Solanum is very actively developed. [00:49] XRevan86 schestowitz: And comparing ircd-seven with something and Solanum with something is different [00:49] MinceR the f channel mode is kind of neat though [00:49] techrights-bot/fn Wine and #Nvidia on Wayland, #Ubuntu Pro goes Google, and THAT Firefox redesign - Linux News June https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TurnINAeNmc #gnu #linux [00:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wine and Nvidia on Wayland, Ubuntu Pro goes Google, and THAT Firefox redesign - Linux News June - YouTube [00:50] techrights-bot/fn mintCast 363 - Audacity Rewind https://mintcast.org/2021/06/16/mintcast-363-audacity-rewind/ #mintcast | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest [00:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mintcast.org | mintCast 363 Audacity Rewind mintCast [00:51] XRevan86 And there's optionalRELAYMSG for both Solanum and InspIRCd [00:51] XRevan86 so there are options, they're just not employed [00:51] schestowitz seems they changed ircd for familiarity, not because they want to improve irc features [00:52] schestowitz it used to be possible to do [[ term ]] without the spaces and it would convert to wikipedia links [00:52] XRevan86 schestowitz: that was my first guess [00:52] schestowitz test: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=England [00:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | England - Wikipedia [00:52] schestowitz oh, that still works [00:52] schestowitz I assume not a client-side feature [00:52] XRevan86 [[Scotland]] [00:52] schestowitz maybe that's a konversation thing [00:52] schestowitz I assumed it was ircd at freenode [00:52] MinceR [[IRC]] [00:53] schestowitz/fn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=IRC [00:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Internet Relay Chat - Wikipedia [00:53] MinceR it is client-side indeed [00:53] schestowitz seems to be konversation [00:53] schestowitz I found out about it when trying to tell alextee how to edit the wiki [00:54] techrights-bot/fn Latest Steam Client Beta improves Proton startup times, fixes login issue | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/latest-steam-client-beta-improves-proton-startup-times-fixes-login-issue #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest [00:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Latest Steam Client Beta improves Proton startup times, fixes login issue | GamingOnLinux [00:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 34.05 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.71 ● Jun 17 [01:02] techrights-bot/fn "Not only that but quite a lot of developers haven't put up the full demo banner with platform icons on their store pages (only the little demo button on the sidepanel), so you need to check #SteamDB (Search for "game + demo") on those to see if the demo has a #GNU #Linux build." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/steam-next-fest-is-live-again-with-new-demos-livestreams-and-more [01:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Steam Next Fest is live again with new demos, livestreams and more | GamingOnLinux [01:04] *sebsebsebseb has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [01:04] techrights-bot/fn "In this video, I am going to show how to install #openSUSE 15.3." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ_zDUFn8Q0 #suse #gnu #linux [01:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to install openSUSE 15.3 - YouTube [01:05] techrights-bot/fn The Mozilla Blog: Celebrating our community: 10 years of the Reps Program https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/news/reps-mozilla-community-10-year-celebration/ #mozilla #firefox [01:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Reps Mozilla Community Program 10 Year Anniversary [01:06] techrights-bot/fn The Piano Metronome is key to keeping the beat | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/06/16/the-piano-metronome-is-key-to-keeping-the-beat/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest [01:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | The Piano Metronome is key to keeping the beat | Arduino Blog [01:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [01:07] techrights-bot/fn Turn your bicycle into a #Pokebike with DJ Harrigans MKR Zero device | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/06/16/turn-your-bicycle-into-a-pokebike-with-dj-harrigans-mkr-zero-device/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking [01:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | Turn your bicycle into a Pokebike with DJ Harrigan's MKR Zero device | Arduino Blog [01:08] techrights-bot/fn LOL!!!! $200. Totally NOT competitive. #gnu #linux ones can do the same for like a quarter the price! https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/06/16/gmk-nucbox-review-a-palm-sized-windows-10-mini-pc/ [01:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | GMK NucBox Review - A palm-sized Windows 10 mini PC - CNX Software [01:11] techrights-bot/fn "Plus the outrageous bounty on a beloved Linux desktop app." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/145317/ye-olde-linux-distro-linux-unplugged-410/ [01:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | Ye Olde Linux Distro | LINUX Unplugged 410 | Jupiter Broadcasting [01:18] techrights-bot/fn Audiocasts/Shows: LINUX Unplugged, openSUSE 15.3, Coder Radio, mintCast and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152357 [01:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: LINUX Unplugged, openSUSE 15.3, Coder Radio, mintCast and More | Tux Machines [01:19] techrights-bot/fn #Radxa Zero SBC http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152358 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Radxa Zero SBC | Tux Machines [01:19] techrights-bot/fn #OpenHardware : Arduino, Raspberry Pi, and PINE64 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152359 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware: Arduino, Raspberry Pi, and PINE64 | Tux Machines [01:19] techrights-bot/fn #Games : DLSS, Chromebook, and Many New Titles on GNU/Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152360 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: DLSS, Chromebook, and Many New Titles on GNU/Linux | Tux Machines [01:20] CrystalMath Ariadne: hey, how do i even get a copy of ircd-hyperion? [01:22] techrights-bot/fn The Neocon Agenda to Militarize Space with Robbie Martin https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/06/podcasts/the-neocon-agenda-to-militarize-space-with-robbie-martin/ [01:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Neocon Agenda to Militarize Space with Robbie Martin - unlimitedhangout.com [01:24] Ariadne CrystalMath: www.stack.nl/~jilles/irc/ [01:24] Ariadne scroll down to [01:24] Ariadne dancer-ircd / hyperion / freenode [01:24] Ariadne Please do not bother me with any bugs/features/whatever about this code. [01:24] Ariadne click downloadf [01:24] Ariadne -f [01:25] CrystalMath thanks :)) [01:25] Ariadne why [01:26] Ariadne hyperion is a shitheap [01:26] Ariadne you should not run it in production [01:26] CrystalMath i'll be able to recreate the freenode that existed at the time of my first connection [01:26] CrystalMath on localhost [01:26] CrystalMath that was 2008 right? [01:26] Ariadne by 2008 freenode was on seven [01:26] techrights-bot/fn Migrate virtual machines to Kubernetes with this new tool | https://opensource.com/article/21/6/migrate-vms-kubernetes-forklift #FreeSW #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest [01:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Migrate virtual machines to Kubernetes with this new tool | Opensource.com [01:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [01:26] CrystalMath Ariadne: oh, really? [01:27] Ariadne yes, pretty sure [01:27] CrystalMath but wikipedia says 2010 [01:27] CrystalMath Hyperion was then replaced with IRCd-Seven[14] on 30 January 2010.[15][16] [01:28] CrystalMath https://web.archive.org/web/20130204005542/http://www.irc-junkie.org/2010-01-30/freenode-migration-to-ircd-seven-successfully-completed/ [01:28] Ariadne oh [01:28] techrights-bot/fn Reminder that #microsoft is a bunch of liars, thugs, and criminals: There's no "LEAK". It's #MARKETING disguised as 'leak'. Because they're liars. [01:28] Ariadne ok [01:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | freenode migration to ircd-seven successfully completed | IRC-Junkie.org - IRC News [01:28] Ariadne anyway, hyperion is shit [01:28] CrystalMath what's wrong with it? [01:29] techrights-bot/fn StatCounter: In May 2021 #Windows Market Share Falls Sharply to Just 28%, Whereas GNU/Linux Climbs to 2.31% in Desktops/Laptops http://techrights.org/2021/05/03/statcounter-may-2021/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/03/statcounter-may-2021/ [01:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | StatCounter: In May 2021 Windows Market Share Falls Sharply to Just 28%, Whereas GNU/Linux Climbs to 2.31% in Desktops/Laptops | Techrights [01:29] CrystalMath Ariadne: do you maybe know if atheme was used in 2008? [01:30] Ariadne that was since 2007 [01:30] Ariadne afaik [01:30] XRevan86 software isn't the problem with freenode [01:30] CrystalMath okay so i need to set up atheme as well [01:30] XRevan86 why does it matter what it used [01:30] CrystalMath i'll try to get as close to the original configuration [01:30] CrystalMath and i need to find the motd from 2008 [01:30] MinceR wasn't dancer used before hyperion? [01:30] CrystalMath MinceR: it was but 2008 is what i'm after :) [01:30] CrystalMath i'll possibly open up an onion service [01:31] XRevan86 Voulez Vous Danser [01:31] CrystalMath so you can access it [01:31] CrystalMath MinceR: the current time of the server will say 2008 too! [01:31] CrystalMath that moment in time, forever [01:31] MinceR will the SSL certificate also expire in 2008? :> [01:31] CrystalMath i'll possibly create fake clients or fake the user count somehow [01:31] MinceR lol [01:32] CrystalMath essentially creating a perfect autistic replica [01:32] techrights-bot/fn PDF Mix Tool 1.0.1 Now Lets You Edit Metadata with an Improved UI & Qt 6 Support https://news.itsfoss.com/pdf-mix-tool-1-0-1-release/ "In either case, you can build it from source that can be found on GitLab." [01:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.itsfoss.com | PDF Mix Tool 1.0.1 Now Lets You Edit Metadata with an Improved UI & Qt 6 Support - It's FOSS News [01:33] Ariadne oooh! will it have #wrongplanet?! [01:33] rbraun/fn Ariadne, is it correct that hyperion/dancer was not a TS6 based protocol [01:34] CrystalMath Ariadne: i'm gonna copy the motd as well [01:34] CrystalMath i found a copy of the august 2008 motd :D [01:34] rbraun/fn CrystalMath, where [01:34] Ariadne rbraun: hyperion was not TS6, no [01:35] Ariadne hyperion was not even TS5 [01:35] rbraun/fn Ariadne: what was its TS protocol? i saw something saying "TS4" which i'd never seen [01:35] techrights-bot/fn How the X Window System Influenced Modern Computing https://www.fosslife.org/how-x-window-system-influenced-modern-computing #fosslife | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest [01:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslife.org | How the X Window System Influenced Modern Computing [01:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [01:35] CrystalMath rbraun: http://web.archive.org/web/20080915151220/http://irc.netsplit.de:80/networks/freenode/ [01:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | freenode - IRC Network - irc.netsplit.de [01:35] rbraun/fn CrystalMath: aha [01:36] CrystalMath huh [01:36] CrystalMath RCD=dancer CAPAB CHANTYPES=# EXCEPTS INVEX CHANMODES=bdeIq,k,lfJD,cgijLmnPQrRstz CHANLIMIT=#: SAFELIST CASEMAPPING=ascii CHANNELLEN=30 TOPICLEN=450 KICKLEN=450 KEYLEN=23 USERLEN=10 HOSTLEN=63 SILENCE=50 [01:36] CrystalMath dancer? [01:36] CrystalMath did hyperion report as dancer or something? [01:36] Ariadne rbraun: a mix of TS3 and TS5 [01:36] rbraun/fn hyperion was based on dancer [01:37] Ariadne rbraun: with a bunch of craq bolted on [01:37] rbraun/fn i see [01:37] CrystalMath Ariadne: is there a list of all the server names? [01:37] CrystalMath i wish i could do a back in time dig [01:37] CrystalMath dig --time-machine='Aug 11 2008' chat.freenode.net [01:37] MinceR :) [01:38] CrystalMath i see there's heinlein, niven [01:38] MinceR netsplit doesn't have a server list? [01:38] CrystalMath i see it in the various motds of the time [01:38] MinceR searchirc might also help [01:38] CrystalMath http://web.archive.org/web/20080516024401/http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml [01:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | About freenode: IRC Servers [01:38] CrystalMath got it :) [01:38] techrights-bot/fn #HowTo use #FreeDOS as an embedded system | https://opensource.com/article/21/6/freedos-embedded-system #FreeSW #RedHat #IBM [01:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to use FreeDOS as an embedded system | Opensource.com [01:39] techrights-bot/fn "So you want to switch to Linux? Or maybe run it alongside Windows? Great idea! But you've probably heard things that scared you away like "installing Linux is hard." Is it really true?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ7DBBEzo60 it was hard 20+ years ago. [01:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"Installing Linux Is Hard" | Linux Myth Busters #1 - YouTube [01:40] CrystalMath tolkien, asimov, kornbluth, orwell, sterling, calvino, adams, gibson, leguin, lem, pratchett, sendak, niven, zelazny, brown, anthony, kubrick, heinlein [01:40] CrystalMath that's the full list :) [01:40] CrystalMath that's a lot of hyperions [01:40] CrystalMath to run [01:40] Ariadne thats the list of client servers [01:40] Ariadne there were also hidden hubs [01:42] CrystalMath perhaps i could cheap out and only run one server [01:42] CrystalMath and just give it one of these names [01:42] CrystalMath imagine there was a netsplit in 2008 :P [01:43] MinceR not hard to image [01:43] MinceR s/ge/gine/ [01:43] CrystalMath wait, since i'll probably host it over .onion, i can just use the name of the tor relay! [01:43] CrystalMath what was it... zettel? [01:45] rbraun/fn that sounds right [01:46] CrystalMath unfortunately i don't have zettel's motd [01:46] CrystalMath curses [01:47] MinceR curses, foiled again! [01:47] CrystalMath heh [01:47] CrystalMath if someone has zettel's motd in logs that would be super special awesome [01:49] techrights-bot/fn #microsoft #vapourware versus what #gnu #linux ALREADY has and DOES https://filipfila.wordpress.com/2021/06/15/565/ [01:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-filipfila.wordpress.com | No, Windows is not copying KDE Plasma Filip Fila's blog [01:50] techrights-bot/fn #Security Leftovers and Proprietary Software http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152363 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers and Proprietary Software | Tux Machines [01:51] techrights-bot/fn #FreeSoftware : PDF Mix Tool, KubeVirt, and QOwnNotes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152362 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software: PDF Mix Tool, KubeVirt, and QOwnNotes | Tux Machines [01:51] techrights-bot/fn Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152361 [01:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [01:57] techrights-bot/fn More buzzwords, less subtsnace ttps://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-presents-edgex-to-the-community [01:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 27.33 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 37.50 [01:59] CrystalMath Ariadne: honestly maybe EsperNet is the closest thing to old freenode, it's running charybdis and atheme [01:59] CrystalMath besides Libera, EsperNet is the only IRC network that i left forever ● Jun 17 [02:00] CrystalMath which is sort of awkward since i connect to EsperNet now [02:01] Ariadne its p funny [02:01] Ariadne that canonical is trying to get people to run edgex on ubuntu core [02:01] Ariadne when the official recommended deployment is on EVE [02:01] MinceR the mmorpg? [02:01] Ariadne which is basically alpine's answer to ubuntu core [02:02] CrystalMath Ariadne: oh do you know what distro freenode servers ran in 2008? [02:02] Ariadne MinceR: EVE = Edge Virtualization Engine [02:02] MinceR ic [02:02] Ariadne CrystalMath: uhh [02:02] MinceR there's way too much edge nowadays [02:02] Ariadne CrystalMath: some ran freebsd, others ran debian, a few ran gentoo [02:02] CrystalMath ah i see [02:02] Ariadne MinceR: so 'edge computing' is really a buzzword for a movement to bring stuff outsourced to 'the cloud' (aka somebody else's computers) back in house [02:03] MinceR yeah, but there's also the newest name for internet explorer [02:03] MinceR and all the edginess that's going on [02:03] Ariadne the business case of course is that having your computers next to your stuff is probably a good idea [02:03] MinceR :> [02:03] Ariadne but its really a software freedom case [02:03] hmmmm/fn MinceR: but nobody actually cares about that edge [02:03] MinceR well, i don't care about calling this thing 'edge computing' either :> [02:03] Ariadne as in, we are trying to ween people off of the cloud, by giving them the ability to do 'cloud' stuff on their own gear [02:04] MinceR :) [02:04] rbraun/fn CrystalMath, why did you leave espernet [02:05] CrystalMath actually that's a weird one... i don't really know [02:05] Ariadne and of course, putting computers next to your stuff that you want to monitor is really fascinating [02:05] MinceR my kind of edge >> https://quake.fandom.com/wiki/Q2DM1:_The_Edge [02:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-quake.fandom.com | Q2DM1: The Edge | Quake Wiki | Fandom [02:05] CrystalMath i just randomly declared that i will leave forever [02:05] Ariadne did you know that wind turbines run on alpine? [02:05] rbraun/fn lol [02:05] Ariadne like, no shit [02:05] MinceR lol [02:05] CrystalMath i can't for the life of me figure out why [02:05] Ariadne they have all these sensors [02:05] Ariadne that collect all this data [02:05] CrystalMath and now that i'm back all my old friends are gone forever [02:05] Ariadne and microphones inside the turbine [02:05] CrystalMath rbraun/fn: my best explanation is that i wanted to be sad [02:05] Ariadne which record how it sounds [02:06] Ariadne and then all of that is analyzed for faults [02:06] Ariadne and sent onto a control center [02:06] DaemonFC I can't see how Disney Plus has 104 million subscribers. [02:06] DaemonFC Streaming television is the most fucking stupid thing ever. [02:06] techrights-bot/fn Reading over RSS for news updates https://dwaves.de/2021/06/16/how-to-read-news-in-the-21st-century-apps-rss-feeds-turns-the-users-android-based-device-into-an-independent-open-source-based-news-aggregator-that-respects-the-users-privacy/ [02:06] Ariadne like, they literally analyze the audio, to look for grinding noises and shit [02:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- how to read news in the 21st century (APPs & RSS FEEDS) turns the users Android based device into an independent Open Source based news aggregator that respects the users privacy | dwaves.de [02:06] Ariadne its all so strange [02:06] DaemonFC Streaming TV is a huge bubble. [02:06] DaemonFC It's not profitable and subscribers are peaking. [02:07] Ariadne i gave up on streaming and just buy bluray discs and rip them now [02:07] Ariadne it is easier [02:07] DaemonFC They can't justify unlimited budgets for several shows as bait anymore on $10 a month. [02:07] Ariadne i like having physical copies of media [02:07] Ariadne they cant revoke my 'license' to a physical copy of the media [02:07] DaemonFC I just torrent them to my hard drive. [02:07] schestowitz streaming = renral [02:07] schestowitz *rental [02:07] DaemonFC Someone else nicely did the work of ripping it for me and figuring out that pesky DRM so I don't have to. [02:07] MinceR i just torrent them as well [02:08] schestowitz even when we rented tapes we kept them for a few days [02:08] DaemonFC Figured out all of the optimal encoder settings. [02:08] Ariadne i have an internet connection that is... not so compatible with torrenting :P [02:08] schestowitz so you could watch it again, pass it to a family member [02:08] schestowitz even watch on a mate's VCR [02:08] schestowitz streaming takes so much away [02:08] DaemonFC schestowitz, I like Nathan Lineback. I think that's his name anyway. [02:08] Ariadne anyway LF edge is cool [02:08] DaemonFC Has the toastytech website. [02:08] Ariadne its basically about weening people off the cloud [02:08] Ariadne and back onto their own computers [02:09] DaemonFC I followed his blog which is sort of where I got the idea of ripping IE out of my computer as a teenager. [02:09] Ariadne since cloud computing is fundamentally antithetical to software freedom [02:09] DaemonFC Only I found a freeware utility that did it better. [02:09] Ariadne LF edge is also cool because the group is working on replacements for stuff like SCADA which is a security disaster [02:10] Ariadne all FOSS [02:10] Ariadne very cool [02:10] DaemonFC Most software is a security disaster. [02:10] Ariadne its just strange to see ubuntu try to compete in this area [02:10] XRevan86 She-Ra is top-notch stuff. Never would've imagined. [02:10] DaemonFC mIRC made a lot of questionable design choices early on that I did not appreciate at the time. [02:10] Ariadne they should stay in their lane and compete with RHEL [02:11] MinceR XRevan86: the cartoon? [02:11] XRevan86 MinceR: yes [02:11] MinceR ic [02:11] XRevan86 the new one of course [02:11] DaemonFC The $decode worms were pretty funny. [02:11] Ariadne microsoft comic chat [02:11] MinceR i don't think ubuntu can compete with rHELL [02:11] Ariadne is best irc client [02:11] Ariadne imo [02:11] MinceR lol [02:11] rbraun/fn which servers does comic chat work/not work with again [02:12] techrights-bot/fn #FreeSoftware : PDF Mix Tool, KubeVirt, and QOwnNotes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152362 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:12] rbraun/fn iirc it used to work with freenode and then broke [02:12] DaemonFC It led to the entire feature being turned off and if you want to turn it on, it says be sure you know what you're doing because malicious scripts might be doing bad things. [02:12] MinceR ubuntu committed to playing catch-up with rh's products [02:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Software: PDF Mix Tool, KubeVirt, and QOwnNotes | Tux Machines [02:12] Ariadne it doesnt work with charybdis because i changed JOIN output to make it segfault ^_^ [02:12] DaemonFC But without $decode, the script system just isn't very powerful. [02:12] MinceR LOL [02:12] MinceR you should port that feature to solanum [02:12] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [02:12] rbraun/fn the problem with ubuntu staying in their lane is that RH's lane is pretty wide now and they want to compete with all of it [02:12] Ariadne its already there [02:12] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [02:13] MinceR oh, i guess everyone is using the web-based imitation then [02:13] rbraun/fn Ariadne lol why [02:13] DaemonFC Linux is pretty much doomed if these two companies get to run it for much longer. [02:13] techrights-bot/fn 10 Linux Distros for Beginners, Intermediate, and Advanced Users http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152364 [02:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 10 Linux Distros for Beginners, Intermediate, and Advanced Users | Tux Machines [02:13] MinceR Linux is already doomed [02:13] rbraun/fn SuSE still exists [02:13] Ariadne because some dude used to join my irc server and use it and he was annoying [02:13] techrights-bot/fn #Ubuntu : Oracle, LF, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152365 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:13] Ariadne so i changed [02:13] MinceR the guy who was pushing for kdbus is running it [02:13] rbraun/fn lol [02:13] Ariadne :nick!user@host JOIN #foo [02:13] MinceR Linus is muzzled [02:13] DaemonFC Microsoft has finally managed to corrupt all of the necessary entities to make sure there's no point trying to escape Windows anymore. [02:13] Ariadne to :nick!user@host JOIN :#foo [02:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu: Oracle, LF, and More | Tux Machines [02:14] Ariadne and that made it crash [02:14] Ariadne :D [02:14] MinceR lol [02:14] MinceR Alan Cox left the project [02:14] MinceR i don't know what happened to the others [02:14] DaemonFC For some reason, every modern program things it's alright to take crash and usage data from you by default, without asking. [02:14] MinceR but if the people who actually know the code well wanted to save the project, they would have forked it already [02:14] DaemonFC *thinks [02:14] Ariadne its just so strange [02:15] MinceR and it's massively bloated [02:15] Ariadne every time ubuntu tries to compete with alpine, it never works out for them [02:15] DaemonFC Then they also think it's fine to invade your production systems and experiment on you. [02:15] Ariadne they throw a ton of money at it, and then their customers are like [02:15] Ariadne systemd? snap? why would we want to use this shit [02:15] MinceR maybe ubuntu has a bad strategy [02:15] rbraun/fn maybe ubuntu has no strategy [02:15] rbraun/fn i mean, remember Mir? [02:15] MinceR "let's just replace the branding on debian and toss in some crap", or later, "let's just replace the branding on debian" [02:16] DaemonFC MinceR, Windows 11, because it has rounded corners. [02:16] MinceR lol [02:16] DaemonFC Rounded corners = major version. [02:16] techrights-bot/fn #fossmint still promoting NON-FREE. Almost always Anusha Saive.... marketing instead of news. Or PR spam... [02:16] MinceR DaemonFC: new icons are better for security than rounded corners. [02:16] DaemonFC Well, I think with the icons, they were going for performance. They just put the icons in the kernel and they perform better that way. [02:16] MinceR makes sense [02:16] MinceR it's what microsoft does [02:17] MinceR it never works out for them, but still [02:17] Ariadne they even tried to compete with alpine for the digital billboard market [02:17] Ariadne even though a FOSS spin called signageOS already existed [02:17] Ariadne and already did what billboard weirdos wanted [02:17] Ariadne like, i just don't get it [02:18] Ariadne i think shuttleworth is another rasengan [02:18] Ariadne maybe they should get together and chat [02:18] MinceR lol [02:18] MinceR how do you know they don't? [02:19] rbraun/fn i don't think shuttleworth quite has his... personality disorders [02:20] rbraun/fn or substance abuse issues [02:20] CrystalMath Ariadne: alpine doesn't use systemd? [02:20] MinceR it doesn't [02:20] MinceR just like its derivative postmarketOS doesn't :> [02:21] *leah has quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.8) [02:24] Ariadne i am just dumbfounded by it [02:24] Ariadne like, does ubuntu even know what it wants to do anymore [02:24] MinceR it hasn't for a long time [02:28] techrights-bot/fn Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152366 [02:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [02:28] Ariadne i wonder if this damn jump box i bought at walmart will actually start this damn tractor tomorrow [02:28] MinceR :> [02:30] techrights-bot/fn Links 17/6/2021: elementary OS 6 Beta 2 and JingPad Linux Tablet Crowdfunding http://techrights.org/2021/06/16/jingpad-linux-tablet-crowdfunding/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/16/jingpad-linux-tablet-crowdfunding/ [02:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 17/6/2021: elementary OS 6 Beta 2 and JingPad Linux Tablet Crowdfunding | Techrights [02:31] DaemonFC I gave up on those flooded acid batteries. [02:31] DaemonFC Too quirky. [02:31] schestowitz [02:20] just like its derivative postmarketOS doesn't :> [02:31] schestowitz I didn't know pmOS is alpine based [02:31] DaemonFC I use the new type with the glass plates in my car. [02:31] schestowitz I thought it was some sort of backported or hacked AOSP [02:31] DaemonFC It starts right up now, even at -20 or -30. [02:32] Ariadne schestowitz: pmOS is not just based on alpine, but is integrated into the alpine ecosystem at this point [02:32] schestowitz [02:18] i think shuttleworth is another rasengan [02:32] schestowitz MS is actually rich [02:32] schestowitz not debt-rich [02:32] DaemonFC Turns out that the new struts in that car solved a lot of problems that I had been unhappy about, including crappy braking performance. [02:32] rbraun/fn schestowitz: heh yeah [02:32] Ariadne schestowitz: i meant in terms of throwing shit to the wall and hoping it sticks [02:32] schestowitz because he sold his company and avoided tax... for a while [02:33] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2010/07/11/waugh-on-canonical/ [02:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A Sexy Dawn of Ubuntu Branding | Techrights [02:33] schestowitz What happened was, weve had some very some of the very early initial meetings (when, you know, there were about 10 people) and Mark [Shuttleworth] showed this picture and it was of a girl called Sabrina, or thats the name that he gave her. And it was a very [?] tone, Vaseline on the lens kind of shot, and it was a a very beautiful shot, but it was with a girl with her face turned away but her breasts perfectly visible. And he [02:33] schestowitz saying to everyone, this is what I want the desktop to look like. [02:33] Ariadne cancellation in progress [02:34] Ariadne but in all seriousness [02:34] MinceR :) [02:34] schestowitz "explaining to girls" [02:34] Ariadne that does not really seem like a useful way of conveying your vision [02:34] schestowitz it's not [02:34] Ariadne like i would take away from that "ok, more hot chick wallpapers in ubuntu-wallpapers" [02:35] schestowitz sport cars with girls on them [02:35] schestowitz with thongs [02:35] DaemonFC That YourMechanic site has just gotten outrageous with their car repair estimates. [02:35] DaemonFC It's like an app where you tell it what's wrong with your car and it gives you a quote and sends a mechanic out to you. [02:36] MinceR 'hot chick' wallpaper showing chicken fillet being grilled [02:36] Ariadne yeah i think i used it once [02:36] Ariadne for the lolz [02:36] Ariadne i was not impressed [02:36] DaemonFC It told me $968 on replacement struts on the front end and the local CarX did them for $680. [02:36] Ariadne the mechanic they sent out [02:36] Ariadne talked about weed and ancient aliens [02:36] Ariadne which, i mean, fine i guess [02:36] techrights-bot/fn *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-160621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-160621.txt Read the log now... [02:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ FreeNode: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 [02:37] Ariadne but i just needed my wheel hub assembly replaced [02:37] DaemonFC Ancient Aliens, with that guy that looks like Londo Mollari from B5. [02:37] DaemonFC :) [02:37] techrights-bot/fn Micro A Command Line Based Text Editor for #GNU #Linux https://www.linuxshelltips.com/micro-terminal-based-text-editor/ #linuxshelltips | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest [02:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxshelltips.com | Micro A Command Line Based Text Editor for Linux [02:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [02:37] techrights-bot/fn *** *** Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-160621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-160621.txt Read the log now... [02:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 [02:38] DaemonFC Ariadne, Replace right front wheel bearing hub on 2003 Impala LS. $352.00 after tax on YourMechanic. [02:38] DaemonFC CarX did it for like $288 after tax. [02:38] DaemonFC Well, I suppose that's not AS bad as some of the things I've looked up. [02:38] techrights-bot/fn *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-160621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-160621.txt Read the log now... [02:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 [02:39] DaemonFC YourMechanic wanted like $126 to change an air filter. Which is 5 minutes with a screwdriver and an $8 filter. [02:39] DaemonFC I asked the manager at CarX what the computer said that job would have been there. He told me $25. [02:39] techrights-bot/fn *** *** Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-160621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-160621.txt Read the log now... [02:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 [02:40] DaemonFC The folks down at Pep Boys are really looking for extra work these days. The entire company is about to go under. [02:40] Ariadne if you have a 38mm socket, you can replace the hub assembly yourself in an hour on most GM cars [02:40] Ariadne the assembly is like 80 bucks [02:41] techrights-bot/fn *** *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-06-16.txt [02:41] DaemonFC They informed me of a bad tie rod end and wanted almost double what CarX charged me to drive across the street and have it done there several months ago. [02:41] DaemonFC Then Pep Boys said my air filter was filthy and they wanted $60 for that. I just told them thanks for telling me and replaced it myself. [02:41] MinceR Ancient Aliens, with Doomguy and tons of demons [02:42] DaemonFC Ariadne> the assembly is like 80 bucks [02:42] DaemonFC You can get them cheaper than that. [02:42] Ariadne thats with an OEM part [02:42] DaemonFC I've seen them all the way down to $49.99, but that's an economy hub from AutoZone. [02:42] MinceR (i was not a fan of that wad though, but it was funny) [02:42] DaemonFC :/ [02:42] Ariadne if you want to go chinesium [02:42] Ariadne you can get them for $21 on amazon [02:42] Ariadne :) [02:43] Ariadne i prefer OEM parts for things that might result in injury and/or death if they fail [02:43] DaemonFC Yeah, the shop manager at CarX said they use OEM parts mostly. [02:43] DaemonFC But they're owned by Monroe so they use their own suspension parts. [02:43] DaemonFC I got a set of Monroe quick struts for the front end, they seem to work great. [02:43] Ariadne i just bought a brand new ford edge [02:43] Ariadne literally brand new [02:44] Ariadne the stupid thing has internet of shit connectivity [02:44] Ariadne i need to figure out how to disable that [02:44] Ariadne i don't want any of that [02:44] Ariadne the idea of having canbus connected to a module that is also connected to the internet [02:44] techrights-bot/fn PSA: kernel 5.12.11 is safe for bcache, again https://enotty.pipebreaker.pl/posts/2021/06/psa-kernel-51211-is-safe-for-bcache-again/ #linux #kernel [02:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enotty.pipebreaker.pl | PSA: kernel 5.12.11 is safe for bcache, again | -ENOTTY [02:44] Ariadne is not confidence inspiring [02:44] MinceR :> [02:45] DaemonFC How is it internet connected if you're not using your phone as a hotspot? [02:45] DaemonFC This stuff just changes too fast. [02:45] techrights-bot/fn Most of these are #ProprietarySoftware :/ https://news.itsfoss.com/chrome-like-browsers-2021/ [02:45] DaemonFC The quality of the powertrains has gone way down. [02:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.itsfoss.com | Top 5 Chrome-like Browsers That Are Better Than Google Chrome in 2021 - It's FOSS News [02:46] DaemonFC You're lucky if you can drive the car 150,000 miles these days. [02:46] Ariadne DaemonFC: the car has an LTE modem in it [02:46] Ariadne DaemonFC: you can use an app to lock/unlock/start/stop the car [02:46] DaemonFC DaemonFC: the car has an LTE modem in it [02:46] Ariadne DaemonFC: it also shows the GPS location [02:46] DaemonFC Don't you have to subscribe to something for that to be on? [02:46] Ariadne yeah [02:46] techrights-bot/fn A "smart" home isn't smart. Truly smart homes don't have ANY of those supposedly 'smart' things https://www.iottechtrends.com/are-smart-homes-worth-it/ [02:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iottechtrends.com | Are Smart Homes Worth It in 2021? - IoT Tech Trends [02:46] Ariadne but some fuckwit can subscribe to it on your behalf [02:47] Ariadne if they have your VIN [02:47] Ariadne andf then fuck with you [02:47] MinceR so can three-letter agencies [02:48] DaemonFC Well, mom's giving me her 2011 Impala next, so no internet of shit for a while. [02:48] DaemonFC Just car of shit. [02:48] Ariadne nope [02:48] Ariadne 2011 impala [02:48] Ariadne has this [02:48] Ariadne but its UMTS modem [02:48] DaemonFC They cost more to repair than they're worth over about two years. [02:49] techrights-bot/fn Survey For #openSUSE Leap 15.3 Release Closes https://news.opensuse.org/2021/06/16/survey-for-opensuse-release-closes/ #suse #gnu #linux [02:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.opensuse.org | Survey For openSUSE Leap 15.3 Release Closes - openSUSE News [02:49] Ariadne some people upgraded to LTE module when AT&T shut down UMTS [02:49] DaemonFC For some reason, the blend door actuator on the 2003 was too reliable. [02:49] DaemonFC So GM upgraded the 2010+ to one that makes woodpecker noises and then your heat or air conditioning doesn't work. [02:50] techrights-bot/fn #RedHat is not competing with #Microsoft and #proprietarysoftware ; instead it is embracing both https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2021/05/12/self-hosting-github-actions-runners-on-openshift [02:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.redhat.com | Deploy self-hosted GitHub Actions runners for Red Hat OpenShift | Red Hat Developer [02:52] techrights-bot/fn Set up a service mesh on #Istio | https://opensource.com/article/21/6/service-mesh-serverless #FreeSW #RedHat #IBM [02:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Set up a service mesh on Istio | Opensource.com [02:53] techrights-bot/fn #proprietarySoftware #Microsoft Teams [sic] "exploit exposed sensitive files, emails and chat logs" https://www.techradar.com/news/microsoft-teams-security-flaw-left-users-defenseless-against-serious-cyberattacks [02:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Teams security flaw left users defenseless against serious cyberattacks | TechRadar [02:54] DaemonFC Someone I know in Chicago just took Uber to work and back every day. [02:54] techrights-bot/fn Integrating sandboxed Vala apps with the host system through xdg-desktop-portals - Felipe Borges https://feborg.es/vala-xdg-desktop-portals/ #gnome #programming #feborg | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest [02:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-feborg.es | Integrating sandboxed Vala apps with the host system through xdg-desktop-portals Felipe Borges [02:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [02:54] DaemonFC It was costing him $12-15 each way usually depending on whatever mood Uber was in that day. Just ridiculous. [02:54] arbition If I had the time, I'd be doing an EV conversion. Picking a good platform might be difficult though, and safety is still an issue. Wonder how many safety features are computer driven these days [02:54] DaemonFC Then one of the drivers got on the freeway going the wrong way. [02:55] DaemonFC Most of the good frames are so heavy they NEEDED a a V8 or at least a large block V6 to pull them. [02:56] DaemonFC I can't imagine that the EV motors would do well on those. [02:56] arbition EV motors would be fine, but heavy means more batteries, so that part not so fine [02:56] DaemonFC This is just outright Communist shit. [02:56] arbition Decent EV motors have masses of torque, but the power to weight ratio is poor [02:57] DaemonFC The market doesn't want them so Illinois is stealing from me and Mandy to buy some rich asshole a Tesla with a $4,000 rebate (on top of the federal one). [02:57] DaemonFC That's on top of them tearing up the roads and not paying a gas tax. [02:57] arbition I'm talking about installing your own EV system, so you have more control of it [02:57] arbition making it more maintanable [02:57] arbition Not buying a Tesla or whatever [02:58] arbition *power to weight ratio is poor because of all the batteries [02:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 31.83 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 16.13 [02:59] techrights-bot/fn Blender 3.0 Likely Delayed 2 Months For Post-Lockdown Breather, Cycles X Might Land - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Blender-3.0-Two-Month-Delay #Phoronix | more in https://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-committers/2021-June/051043.html [02:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Blender 3.0 Likely Delayed 2 Months For Post-Lockdown Breather, Cycles X Might Land - Phoronix [02:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.blender.org | [Bf-committers] Release planning update - Blender 3.0 later ● Jun 17 [03:00] arbition In some sense torque from an EV is limited only by how well you can cool it. Practically there is a limit because heat dissipation is equivalent to the square [03:00] arbition square of power [03:01] techrights-bot/fn #Purism shows off new features coming to PureOS for the Librem 5 smartphone (camera software, wireless toggles, screen rotation and more) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152367 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [03:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Purism shows off new features coming to PureOS for the Librem 5 smartphone (camera software, wireless toggles, screen rotation and more) | Tux Machines [03:01] arbition but then you just put in a bigger motor and better cooling jackets. Or just put 1 motor per wheel [03:01] techrights-bot/fn #Metabase : The ultimate Swiss knife open-source for getting insightful answers from databases http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152368 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [03:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Metabase: The ultimate Swiss knife open-source for getting insightful answers from databases | Tux Machines [03:01] arbition Then maybe you can do torque vectoring, like the Mercedes SLS Electric [03:02] techrights-bot/fn #Wasmer 2.0 Released With Significantly Faster Runtime Performance, Quicker Deserialization - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Wasmer-2.0-Released #Phoronix #programming | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest [03:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wasmer 2.0 Released With Significantly Faster Runtime Performance, Quicker Deserialization - Phoronix [03:02] arbition no the square thing isn't quite right, it's directly equivalent to power, but it becomes a heat density issue [03:02] techrights-bot/fn GNU C Library Lands Year 2038 Handling For Legacy ABIs - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Glibc-More-Y2038-Work #Phoronix #gnu #programming | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest [03:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GNU C Library Lands Year 2038 Handling For Legacy ABIs - Phoronix [03:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [03:04] techrights-bot/fn Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152369 [03:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [03:05] techrights-bot/fn "Last month plans were published for #Fedora Cloud 35 to use the #Btrfs file-system by default, similar to Fedora Workstation using Btrfs by default for several releases. 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It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID [03:07] techrights-bot/fn Hossein Nourikhah joins the #TDF team as Developer Community Architect https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/06/16/hossein-nourikhah-joins-the-tdf-team-as-developer-community-architect/ #documentfoundation #libreoffice [03:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.documentfoundation.org | Hossein Nourikhah joins the TDF team as Developer Community Architect - The Document Foundation Blog [03:07] techrights-ipfs-bot QmbBtrgn5vZv4zAnCwEsSEbNfqZyMc1GXjrxGtjFJubZo6 [03:08] *tr_guest|82549 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:08] techrights-bot/fn #SUSE Linux Enterprise / #openSUSE Leap Pursuing x86_64-v2 Optimized Libraries - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=openSUSE-Leap-SLE-x86_64-v2 #Phoronix #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest [03:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SUSE Linux Enterprise / openSUSE Leap Pursuing x86_64-v2 Optimized Libraries - Phoronix [03:09] DaemonFC https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/06/17/next-democrat-exelon-communist-edison-bailout-forces-illinois-taxpayers-to-rebate-rich-people-4000-on-their-tesla/ [03:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Next Democrat Exelon Communist Edison bailout forces Illinois taxpayers to rebate rich people $4,000 on their Tesla. BaronHK's Rants [03:09] DaemonFC Ariadne, ^ [03:09] DaemonFC There you go. [03:09] DaemonFC Err, arbition [03:10] arbition Like the issue with low speed torque is similar to a IC Engine anyway. You load the engine too much in low revs and it will shudder. It's not happy. That's why it has a gearbox. If low speed torque is a significant issue, add a gearbox. Electric cars don't typically have much of a gearbox because they don't need them in the application they're used in. [03:10] arbition lol that's politics not engineering [03:10] arbition I'm not even in the US of A [03:10] DaemonFC Engineering by politicians. [03:11] arbition Market manipulation, if you want to call that engineering [03:11] DaemonFC Pretty much. [03:11] DaemonFC The Soviets decided what their "customers" would buy too. [03:11] arbition Yeah I got that already. I wasn't remotely talking about that. [03:12] arbition I'm literally talking about doing it yourself [03:12] DaemonFC Our government is just doing it by making gasoline unaffordable and then offering us some of our own money back if we buy one of these shitass EVs. [03:12] arbition taking a rolling shell and doing it yourself [03:13] arbition Which is pretty fitting considering the previous discussion about having to buy cars with tracking. Do it yourself, make sure your control systems don't need that shit [03:14] *tr_guest|82549 (~4a41c89d@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [03:14] arbition Plus a bit of right to repair FU [03:14] arbition to manufacturers [03:16] *tr_guest|82549 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [03:17] techrights-bot/fn "Andrew Lee can't just let Freenode collapse, every step of the way he keep kicking it faster down the hill and now he has actually done it, #Freenode might now be actually dead." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjSA5ag5fes [03:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Freenode Is Now Dead: Birth Of A New Freenode - YouTube [03:19] AdmFubar https://www.snopes.com/ap/2021/06/16/computer-trouble-hits-hubble-space-telescope-science-halted/ [03:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Computer Trouble Hits Hubble Space Telescope, Science Halted | Snopes.com [03:20] AdmFubar https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/06/16/053220&from=rss [03:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | 'Unplanned' Outages Hit Texas Power Plants in Soaring Temperatures - SoylentNews [03:20] techrights-bot/fn RC skateboard moves in any direction | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/06/16/rc-skateboard-moves-in-any-direction/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest [03:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | RC skateboard moves in any direction | Arduino Blog [03:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [03:21] techrights-bot/fn One president called it "shithole country" https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/06/16/053220&from=rss [03:22] AdmFubar https://www.cnet.com/news/mr-trash-wheel-is-gobbling-up-millions-of-pounds-of-trash/ [03:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mr. Trash Wheel is gobbling up millions of pounds of trash - CNET [03:23] techrights-bot/fn Alternative is, get people to be responsible about littering https://www.cnet.com/news/mr-trash-wheel-is-gobbling-up-millions-of-pounds-of-trash/ [03:24] arbition Makes me think of the futility of recycling. Aluminium excepted. But anyway, I'm now for well designed incinerators. Sure it releases CO2, but if the alternative is microplastics and litter flying around everywhere, it's the lesser of 2 evils. [03:25] techrights-bot/fn "One of my favorite command line utilities is "awk" which is a text-processing program. It is mostly used for pattern scanning and processing. In this video, I will give examples of some of the basic #awk commands, and show you some of the ways that I often use awk." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YOZmI-zWok [03:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Learning Awk Is Essential For Linux Users - YouTube [03:26] techrights-bot/fn #FLOSSWeekly 634: Web Development with #Wasp https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/634 #twittv | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest [03:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-twit.tv | Web Development with Wasp [03:28] techrights-bot/fn Stephen Smoogen: Working with Raspberry PI4 systems http://smoogespace.blogspot.com/2021/06/working-with-raspberry-pi4-systems.html #raspi #gnu #linux [03:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-smoogespace.blogspot.com | SmoogeSpace: Working with Raspberry PI4 systems [03:29] XRevan86 Navalny consciously ignored the law while leaving to Germany unconscious. [03:30] techrights-bot/fn My internship at the FSF, and the domino effect of thoughts " #FreeSoftwareFoundation https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/my-internship-at-the-fsf-and-the-domino-effect-of-thoughts #FSF #GNU #FreeSW #SoftwareFreedom [03:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | My internship at the FSF, and the domino effect of thoughts Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [03:31] AdmFubar https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210616/12034247004/content-moderation-case-study-youtube-relocates-video-accused-inflated-views-2014.shtml [03:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Content Moderation Case Study: YouTube Relocates Video Accused Of Inflated Views (2014) | Techdirt [03:32] techrights-bot/fn #Lenovo To Support Configuring #ThinkPad BIOS From Within Linux - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Lenovo-Think-LMI-Driver #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux [03:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lenovo To Support Configuring ThinkPad BIOS From Within Linux - Phoronix [03:32] XRevan86 https://img.znak.com/1075449.jpg cool photo [03:33] AdmFubar https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/amazon_fake_reviews/ [03:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Amazon says it's all social media's fault for letting fake review schemes thrive The Register [03:33] arbition XRevan86: What are they transporting? [03:34] *job (~job@42cscff4sp33s.irc) has joined #techrights [03:34] XRevan86 arbition: That's Navalny being transported while consciously ignoring the law [03:34] arbition Ah. Wasn't sure if it was a person. Looks a bit weird... and short [03:34] techrights-bot/fn Latest in the anti- #fsf coup http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151827#comment-29966 see http://techrights.org/2021/06/02/gcc-copyright-assignment/ [03:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FSF Copyright Assignment and GCC, GCC 9.4 Released | Tux Machines [03:34] *tr_guest|34785 (~6ceafdb2@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [03:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | It Remains Largely Unclear Whose Idea It Was to Change GCC Copyright Assignment Practices (or How/Why It Started) | Techrights [03:35] XRevan86 https://meduza.io/en/feature/2021/06/16/pragmatic-dialogue [03:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE [03:35] techrights-bot/fn New Videos of #LinuxMint 20.2 Beta http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152370 [03:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New Videos of Linux Mint 20.2 Beta | Tux Machines [03:35] XRevan86 Mm, the original quote is better. [03:36] techrights-bot/fn Mike Blumenkrantz: Suballocate Me https://www.supergoodcode.com/suballocate-me/ [03:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.supergoodcode.com | Suballocate Me Mike Blumenkrantz Super. Good. Code. [03:36] *tr_guest|34785 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [03:36] arbition lol whataboutism [03:36] XRevan86 Putin said "consciously" twice: first about leaving Russia, second about returning. [03:36] XRevan86 arbition: Yes, and that's in response to direct questions. [03:37] XRevan86 He's a master at dodging questions. There were memes about that a decade ago. [03:37] arbition Funny that the USSR was well known for using it. [03:37] arbition I guess he wasn't KGB for nothing [03:38] techrights-bot/fn #VirtIO -GPIO Guest Driver Updated For The Linux Kernel - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=VirtIO-GPIO-Driver-Linux #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest [03:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-VirtIO-GPIO Guest Driver Updated For The Linux Kernel - Phoronix [03:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [03:38] XRevan86 arbition: Yea, Russian official media is consumed with whataboutism [03:39] XRevan86 it's a major instrument [03:39] techrights-bot/fn "It's been 3 weeks since I started the Outreachy internship, I've done a lot but at the same time, I don't think I've done anything." Internship take up a lot of time (of mentors) https://open-sourceress.com/everyone-struggles/ [03:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-open-sourceress.com | Everyone struggles! | Open Sourceress [03:40] MinceR lol [03:41] arbition So is China's [03:41] arbition Also their Social media [03:41] MinceR i wonder if the khuilo is mocking Navalny or just lying [03:41] techrights-bot/fn #fedora 'community' is dying under #ibm because after the anti- #fsf attacks, the #centoOS thing etc. people don't want to be unpaid volunteers of IBM, which is also boosting #microsoft https://fedoramagazine.org/write-for-fedora-magazine-please/ [03:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org | Write for Fedora Magazine, please! - Fedora Magazine [03:42] XRevan86 MinceR: I think he's either confused about the official story or just thought the Western listener would take his word for it. [03:42] techrights-bot/fn " #MakanDelrahim gave an impassioned speech. He's trying to dissuade his successor, who (as Mr. Delrahim noted) has yet to be named almost eight years after the elections, from undoing his patentee-friendly policies." http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/06/former-assistant-attorney-general-makan.html [03:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Former Assistant Attorney General Makan Delrahim, fighting for his legacy, says yet-to-be-named successor should have 'regulatory humility' in face of court rulings [03:43] XRevan86 "maybe not everything is clear about this Navalny character's actions" [03:43] techrights-bot/fn On 'owning' names https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/miley-cyrus-can-use-name-trademark-europe-after-long-running-row-2021-06-16/ #euipo is profoundly corrupt. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EUIPO [03:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Miley Cyrus can use name as trademark in Europe after long-running row | Reuters [03:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EUIPO - Techrights [03:45] techrights-bot/fn #Godot Engine - Godot Web progress report #8: Progressive Web Apps https://godotengine.org/article/godot-web-progress-report-8 #godotengine #deletegithub | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest [03:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-godotengine.org | Godot Engine - Godot Web progress report #8: Progressive Web Apps [03:46] techrights-bot/fn "There is a new application available for Sparkers: #FrostWire " https://sparkylinux.org/frostwire/ #sparkylinux #debian #gnu #linux [03:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sparkylinux.org | FrostWire SparkyLinux [03:47] *XRevan86 watches the video on freenode [03:47] techrights-bot/fn Daniel Vrtil: Building RC LEGO with #Arduino and #Qt https://www.dvratil.cz/2021/06/rc-lego-part-1-design/ #dvratil | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest [03:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dvratil.cz | Daniel Vrtil's blog [03:47] XRevan86 The migration was offered to rasengan and he just didn't want that [03:48] *XRevan86 screams into the void. [03:48] rbraun/fn XRevan86, there's a lot of whataboutism in american establishment discourse now too [03:48] schestowitz XRevan86: tell me if it's any good [03:48] schestowitz I have not watched it yet [03:48] schestowitz this guy follows techrights [03:48] MinceR what video? [03:48] XRevan86 schestowitz: I've watched 5 minutes, and so far there hasn't been any false statement. [03:49] MinceR this one? >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjSA5ag5fes [03:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Freenode Is Now Dead: Birth Of A New Freenode - YouTube [03:49] XRevan86 apart from this new information that I just didn't know before [03:49] arbition I only saw a quote about draining the swamp with the migration [03:50] arbition No idea if he actually said that [03:50] MinceR maybe only the trolls said that [03:50] XRevan86 > IRCCloud was not klined by mistake. [03:50] *XRevan86 screams some more [03:50] techrights-bot/fn #socialcontrolmedia = lies factory and #astroturfing https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/amazon_fake_reviews/ [03:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Amazon says it's all social media's fault for letting fake review schemes thrive The Register [03:50] MinceR well yeah, that is known [03:51] XRevan86 I am so uneasy right now [03:52] schestowitz [03:50] > IRCCloud was not klined by mistake. [03:52] schestowitz do they plan to compete with it? [03:52] schestowitz like SHells? [03:52] schestowitz some clownish offering? [03:52] XRevan86 schestowitz: "freenode Bouncer" is a thing now, yes. [03:52] MinceR it was a(n unwise) answer to this >> https://nitter.fdn.fr/IRCCloud/status/1397475744448663564 [03:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.fdn.fr | IRCCloud (@IRCCloud): "The Freenode network is under new management, and the new staff have taken over hundreds of legitimate channels. We strongly urge anyone still connected to that network to check that your channels are safe and take immediate steps to move to another network." | FDNitter [03:52] arbition So here's the snippet I saw, don't know if it's what was actually said https://0x0.st/-L59.txt [03:53] XRevan86 yea, freenode is totally not about cancel culture [03:53] XRevan86 freenode is a victim of it [03:53] schestowitz Is it liBEra or LIbera? [03:53] XRevan86 from "to be"? [03:53] MinceR it's [prosrpna] :> [03:54] MinceR https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Libera_(mythology)&redirect=no [03:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Libera (mythology) - Wikipedia [03:54] MinceR goddess of wine [03:54] MinceR (Libera, that is) [03:54] XRevan86 freenode Jobs is a hilarious idea by the way [03:54] MinceR i already like it more than steve jobs [03:54] XRevan86 step #1: destroy projects on freenode [03:55] XRevan86 step #2: make a service that depends on projects [03:56] XRevan86 found the first mistake: 9:30 he says that FSF moved after the reset happened [03:56] schestowitz XRevan86: yes, it's a decent video [03:57] XRevan86 I think it's because of the most recent post-mortem post from FSF [03:58] XRevan86 and that was the only mistake [03:58] CrystalMath Ariadne: hey, when i connect to my localhost 2008 image of freenode.. [03:58] CrystalMath do you think i should call myself... ChristelMath? [03:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 34.30 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 20.86 [03:59] MinceR lol ● Jun 17 [04:00] XRevan86 There is always some missed fact by me that somehow makes freenode look even worse. [04:01] arbition I'm still trying to work out what was meant by Everyone thinks they can just say whatever they want. Lesson #1 for IRC: Think before you type. [04:01] arbition Surely saying whatever you want is freedom [04:02] XRevan86 There are limits to that like death-threats being an absolute no-no [04:04] schestowitz XRevan86: yes, I watched the whole thing, it does cover key points [04:04] MinceR what's the death threat? [04:04] arbition OK Sure. But I don't think that's what he's talking about here. He's talking about consequences are real. The thing about freedom, is yes we have radical freedom, that's not the freedom that we talk about. We talk about freedom from unreasonable restraints. EG free speech. Free Speech usually referring to the ability to criticise politicans without consequence. In this context, [04:04] arbition presumably we're talking about a different scope, the politics of the IRC channel. Saying this says that criticism is off limits, and therefore it's not free [04:04] XRevan86 MinceR: It's just an example of what not to say [04:04] MinceR ic [04:05] XRevan86 arbition: Yea, I think that rasengan likes to talk about being a victim of cancel culture, while not understanding anything about what those words mean. While doing things that are pretty darn close to being that. [04:06] techrights-bot/fn #Techrights Bulletin for Wednesday, June 16, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [04:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [04:06] techrights-bot/fn #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [04:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [04:10] schestowitz XRevan86: the hypocrisy is the problem [04:10] schestowitz given the huge number of channels, people, services etc.banned [04:10] XRevan86 schestowitz: I have no sympathy left for rasengan [04:10] schestowitz anyway, by now almost all our meaningful activity is here [04:10] XRevan86 when he came here, I was talking to him, trying to understand what exactly happened [04:11] schestowitz and thus we're not to be afraid of network operators [04:11] XRevan86 I thought that he's an okay person [04:11] schestowitz I have many chatlogs with him [04:11] schestowitz he's not a bad person [04:11] schestowitz but I think he has lost touch of what's happening [04:11] XRevan86 schestowitz: He intentionally let down everyone who supported him. [04:11] schestowitz and yesterday he ruined my whole day (or 2 days ago, it's 4am here) [04:12] XRevan86 people who don't value their friends deserve none [04:12] schestowitz I had to BEG people to give me op [04:12] schestowitz in my own channels [04:12] schestowitz that I had set up more than a decade ago [04:12] schestowitz because he wouldn't even pass key data to the 'new' freenode [04:13] XRevan86 He single-handedly undid freenode with several decisions. It wasn't just one decision. [04:13] XRevan86 he took control of it and led it to this [04:13] schestowitz at one point he tried offering me hosting, but I declined [04:14] XRevan86 schestowitz: I wouldn't trust him with the safety of my data. [04:16] techrights-bot/fn Continued collaboration with #AMD brings powerful solutions to customers https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/continued-collaboration-with-amd-brings-powerful-solutions-to-customers [04:16] XRevan86 I don't know the backgrounds of the people behind Libera, and I haven't heard a single justified thing that paints a bad picture of the operator work on Libera. [04:17] XRevan86 To me it looks like they did the best job in all this mess to maintain freenode as it was. [04:17] MinceR it's hard to find out about backgrounds with eyes shut [04:17] XRevan86 And in that I am grateful. [04:18] *TechrightsBot-tr has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:18] techrights-bot/fn Linux sysadmins: 6 reasons you should write technical articles | Enable Sysadmin https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/you-should-write #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux [04:19] schestowitz XRevan86: that's how freeenode was too [04:19] schestowitz at one point [04:19] schestowitz things can change [04:20] schestowitz and you clearly are not in control [04:20] XRevan86 MinceR: Frankly, I am just not as vindictive about the anti-RMS letter, and the local bans in #freenode / #libera aren't particularly important. [04:20] schestowitz I've tried since April to keep Freenode sort of in one piece [04:20] schestowitz but it then became a chain of blunders [04:20] XRevan86 > I've tried since April to keep Freenode sort of in one piece [04:20] XRevan86 schestowitz: That was a wasted effort. [04:20] schestowitz and tuesday I hardly got any sleep [04:20] schestowitz tried to retain our community [04:20] schestowitz which took us 13 years to build [04:21] schestowitz XRevan86: not a waste [04:21] schestowitz you should always try [04:21] schestowitz and can change the outcome [04:21] schestowitz how would you know without at least trying? [04:21] MinceR XRevan86: would you be more "vindictive" about it if it succeeded? [04:21] XRevan86 schestowitz: And that is also justification for their efforts, because they've gotten the closest to succeeding. [04:22] XRevan86 MinceR: I'm still more reluctant about chasing people for personal decisions that could've been made in good faith. [04:22] schestowitz jumping between pods isn't the answer [04:22] schestowitz same for social control media [04:22] schestowitz I was on mastodon.technology [04:22] schestowitz then gnusocial.de [04:22] schestowitz then pleroma.site [04:22] schestowitz and now I'm no longer in fediverse [04:22] schestowitz I gave up [04:22] schestowitz 3 strikes [04:22] XRevan86 schestowitz: It's about maintaining the status quo that served you good for 13 years. Until rasengan came along. [04:22] schestowitz lessons learned: hosting in schestowitz.com [04:23] MinceR XRevan86: i don't see the good faith in cancel culture [04:23] MinceR especially when it's led by corporations that are inimical to free software [04:23] rbraun/fn schestowitz: what happened that led you to give up on each of those [04:23] schestowitz LC has no business model [04:23] schestowitz and it's costly to run [04:23] XRevan86 MinceR: I could use the example of riadne again. [04:23] schestowitz rbraun: sites shut down [04:24] schestowitz except the first [04:24] MinceR XRevan86: i can't see into her mind [04:24] XRevan86 schestowitz: freenode has never needed a business model. [04:24] XRevan86 schestowitz: Notice how freenode, Ltd. was not involved in actual operations, and it somehow worked. [04:24] XRevan86 MinceR: That's the problem, right? [04:24] schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2017/11/23/mastodon-is-oppressive/ https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/you-should-write [04:24] schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2017/11/21/mastodon-free-speech/ [04:25] XRevan86 MinceR: I just don't assume too much. [04:25] *TechrightsBot-tr (~TR@ju4kayhrhsm6a.irc) has joined #techrights [04:25] TechrightsBot-tr Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 [04:25] XRevan86 Even on rasengan I've started forming an opinion only when I started getting answers. [04:25] XRevan86 and now I have an opinion, not a good one [04:26] schestowitz at the end we're just as vibrant than before and no longer worry about some "other" network http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-160621.html [04:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 [04:26] XRevan86 I've looked at what Ariadne does. And I have a good opinion of her. [04:26] schestowitz yes [04:26] XRevan86 these other people in the Libera staff? I never crossed them, they never crossed me. [04:26] schestowitz well, rasengan is a bit of a charlatan [04:26] Ariadne my decision to sign the RMS letter had nothing to do with its contents [04:27] Ariadne and i would say many others just signed it because they want to move *forward*, not *backward8 [04:27] schestowitz rms has high self esteem [04:27] schestowitz like this halo stuff [04:27] MinceR signing a paper without concern for its contents is pretty strange [04:27] schestowitz where forward may mean giving up [04:27] schestowitz like adoption of bad things [04:27] XRevan86 And I'm not going to just take someone's word on that they're good/bad. Whatever, they've done their job fine for a very long time. [04:27] schestowitz exactly what we don't need concessions on [04:28] MinceR still, i would hope that people in the first block of signatures, like garrett and mcgovern, would at least know what they signed [04:28] schestowitz or created [04:28] schestowitz co-created [04:28] Ariadne MinceR: well, i mean, i agree that the incidents in the letter aren't optimal. but that wasn't why i decided to sign it [04:28] MinceR XRevan86: you mean you've managed to not get in their way for a "very long time" [04:28] Ariadne i signed it because i wanted the board to reconsider putting RMS back in charge of FSF [04:28] schestowitz last update" | [04:28] MinceR Ariadne: what incidents? a bunch of red hat/gnome people having trouble understanding written english? [04:28] schestowitz ehashman Remove "Dmitry Kochnev" [04:28] schestowitz [04:28] schestowitz 8c8d7a8 [04:28] schestowitz 9 days ago [04:28] schestowitz Git stats [04:29] schestowitz That letter did not work out too well at the end [04:29] XRevan86 MinceR: Probably. And yet some people I know have fallen from rasengan. [04:29] Ariadne the letter was pointless [04:29] XRevan86 the banhammer is strong with this one [04:29] Ariadne and, at this point, i don't really care if RMS is on the FSF board or not [04:29] schestowitz :-) [04:29] schestowitz that's progress [04:30] schestowitz XRevan86: I'm among them [04:30] Ariadne not really, that has been my position for a while now [04:30] schestowitz assuming "root" was really him [04:30] Ariadne what *I* want is the FSF to have actually effective leadership [04:30] schestowitz they face big barriers [04:30] schestowitz challenges, obstacles [04:30] schestowitz IBM just gave more money to gnome foundation [04:31] schestowitz I could joke it's like a reward for the attacks [04:31] MinceR i don't see how people ibm likes would lead the FSF effectively [04:31] schestowitz IBM isn't done yet [04:31] schestowitz we might need to finish off IBM before it finished us off [04:31] MinceR unless you mean leading them into extinction [04:31] XRevan86 schestowitz: I'm not sure, it's either rasengan or a front to anonymise staff. [04:31] schestowitz *finishes [04:31] Ariadne MinceR: i want people like leah rowe, actually, behind the wheel at FSF [04:31] rbraun/fn XRevan86: that's a good way to be, about the networks. A lot of people assumed stuff one way or the other. And in the end, the networks decided what to make people think of them, and neofreenode didn't make a good impression [04:31] Ariadne she can't be bought [04:31] MinceR Ariadne: and they wouldn't cancel Leah Rowe the same? [04:31] Ariadne she can take it [04:31] MinceR there was someone here recently who wanted something to be done to Leah [04:32] schestowitz everyone can be canceled [04:32] MinceR couldn't tell me what they wanted though [04:32] schestowitz if they lack dirt, they make some up [04:32] XRevan86 schestowitz: But if it's the latter, the boldness of some statements that came out of it isn't neutral enough for a staff account. [04:32] MinceR i guess i was supposed to guess [04:32] schestowitz like Garrett toll trying to associate me with rape [04:32] schestowitz and then with transphobia, by quoting random people from IRC [04:32] schestowitz recently, OSI Pres tried to claim homophobia [04:32] MinceR Ariadne: "taking it" is immaterial to how many people sign some hatchet job on microsoft shithub, if the FSF board obey them [04:33] schestowitz I didn't even know he was gay [04:33] schestowitz old tricks, no evidence [04:33] XRevan86 rbraun: I am only human and I know I can't know all, so I limit the scope of opinions I allow myself to form. [04:33] Ariadne MinceR: well they didn't obey it for RMS, so? [04:33] XRevan86 If I state an opinion, it means I consider myself to have a certain understanding of the situation. [04:33] rbraun/fn he also tried to claim wikipedia was cancelling him by "people with too much time on their hands" not allowing him to whitewash his organization's page [04:33] MinceR presumably they saw that over 3x that many support RMS and the board [04:34] MinceR Ariadne: also, they did manage to cancel RMS earlier [04:34] schestowitz maybe next they will tell us RMS is "genocidal" for speaking to Brazilians about overpopulation http://techrights.org/2021/06/11/rms-brazil-chat/ [04:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Conversation With Richard Stallman in Brazil, May 31st 2021 | Techrights [04:34] Ariadne lets not talk about numbers, the actual developers were definitely on one side of that thing [04:34] schestowitz because RMS is a bigger problem than overpopulation ^_^ [04:34] Ariadne and it was not the pro-RMS side [04:34] Ariadne to be clear [04:34] MinceR schestowitz: certainly to ibm [04:34] schestowitz IBM is cleaning up the human race [04:35] schestowitz eugenics [04:35] schestowitz "good" genetics [04:35] Ariadne but i don't really care to debate this bikeshed again [04:35] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/ibm-powered-purges/ [04:35] MinceR they'll try again, eh? [04:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Full Story (With References) of IBMs Role in a Purge of Black People and Mixed-Race Couples | Techrights [04:35] MinceR not sure what this has to do with bikesheds [04:35] schestowitz it's not longer "hip" for IBM to help removed "blown" people... [04:35] schestowitz *remove [04:35] schestowitz now they use blacks to pretend IBM is "woke" [04:35] MinceR they failed in 1945, but there still are nazis around [04:35] schestowitz and pay them to play along with that lie, I saw an example yesterday [04:35] Ariadne its time for people to drop the all the shit infighting and get to work [04:36] schestowitz MinceR: they had to change course [04:36] MinceR and ibm has better tech to catalogue people they want killed [04:36] schestowitz because the nazis lost at the end [04:36] schestowitz had the nazis won't, IBM would be "eugenics market leader" [04:36] schestowitz *won [04:36] MinceR Ariadne: it is not in ibm's interests for the infighting to stop until free software is destroyed [04:36] rbraun/fn schestowitz: root *was* and *is* rasengan, at least on the main (not split off) parts of the net [04:36] rbraun/fn schestowitz: 23:36 [Freenode] -!- rasengan [~rasengan@freenode/user/root] [04:36] rbraun/fn current whois [04:37] Ariadne MinceR: i mean, i can't refute or support that, as i'm not IBM [04:37] schestowitz rbraun: thanks, so very bad optics [04:37] schestowitz IBM will tell us it is "woke" and against "racism" (means, we remove words like "master") [04:37] schestowitz while fighting to remove also "Slavs", lterally [04:37] rbraun/fn unless you got messages from "root" on a part of the net that had no services (nickserv), it was rasengan [04:38] schestowitz and fighting for Pentagon contracts until the US drops another nuke [04:38] schestowitz https://www.democracynow.org/2021/6/15/nato_warns_of_china_russia_threats [04:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | NATO Ramps Up Rhetoric Against China & Russia. Is Biden Leading the U.S. into a New Cold War? | Democracy Now! [04:38] MinceR i thought the Second Cold War wasn't even over yet [04:38] schestowitz NEW: https://truthout.org/video/pentagon-papers-whistleblower-reveals-us-weighed-1958-nuclear-strike-on-china/ [04:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Pentagon Papers Whistleblower Reveals US Weighed 1958 Nuclear Strike on China [04:38] schestowitz IBM [04:38] schestowitz the nuclear arsenal housekeeper [04:39] schestowitz we're woke [04:39] schestowitz NUKE china, MONEY! [04:39] Ariadne anyway [04:39] schestowitz so we can sell more floppy disks and crap [04:40] schestowitz IBM is helpful in some areas [04:40] schestowitz but that's increasingly outweighed by harms [04:40] schestowitz which they do either directly or by proxy [04:40] MinceR maybe they already sold the parts that were helpful [04:40] schestowitz they think openshit [sic] will take over [04:40] schestowitz if they keep attacking everything else [04:40] MinceR or they "laid off" the people who were helpful [04:40] schestowitz and so far it has not worked out for them [04:41] schestowitz because Krishna and AllowHurst don't understand Linux, they DO NOT EVEN USE IT! [04:41] schestowitz they're like rasengan [04:41] schestowitz they have NO CLUE how we think and work [04:41] rbraun/fn on his macbook air ;) [04:41] schestowitz they write books [04:41] schestowitz "The Open Org" [04:41] schestowitz "open" [04:41] schestowitz from their Macs [04:41] kingoffrance in ibm linux, linux use you? :) [04:41] schestowitz like rasengan from his iphone and Mac [04:41] Ariadne i mean [04:42] Ariadne i have an iphone [04:42] Ariadne i have some macs [04:42] Ariadne i also have some linux machines [04:42] schestowitz I'm not pro-Android either [04:42] schestowitz Ariadne adopted Slackware in the 90s [04:42] Ariadne for a while, i switched to debian in 2004 [04:42] schestowitz Allowhurst just messed around with Fedora to get the red haat job [04:42] schestowitz after Delta had floundered [04:43] schestowitz Roblimo told me some stories about it [04:43] schestowitz off the record [04:43] schestowitz we spoke for aboyt 3 hours [04:43] schestowitz he died a year later [04:43] schestowitz Allowhurst is a master pretender [04:43] Ariadne that has been the vibe i've always gotten [04:43] schestowitz Roblimo met him in person several times [04:44] schestowitz btw, roblimo had worked for NSA [04:44] schestowitz and the army [04:45] techrights-bot/fn NVIDIA Jetson AGX Xavier Industrial module adds lockstep Cortex-R5 cluster, ECC RAM, and more - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/06/16/nvidia-jetson-agx-xavier-industrial-module-lockstep-cortex-r5-cores-ecc-ram/ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest [04:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | NVIDIA Jetson AGX Xavier Industrial module adds lockstep Cortex-R5 cluster, ECC RAM, and more - CNX Software [04:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [04:46] techrights-bot/fn Safety conscious TI AM64x debuts on $99 dev kit http://linuxgizmos.com/safety-conscious-ti-am64x-debuts-on-99-dev-kit/ #LinuxGizmos #Hardware #Devices #GNU #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest [04:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ http://linuxgizmos.com/safety-conscious-ti-am64x-debuts-on-99-dev-kit/ ) [04:46] Ariadne right now, i'm using a macbook instead of a linux-based laptop because my x86 laptop has a shattered display [04:46] Ariadne someday, my new display will arrive from china [04:46] Ariadne i do not really like macOS that much [04:46] Ariadne it used to be tolerable like 10 years ago [04:46] Ariadne but they've gone like, full GNOME on it [04:46] Ariadne and its so strange [04:47] Ariadne it feels like i'm using a FOSS desktop (and i don't mean that to be a compliment) [04:47] techrights-bot/fn #Xilinx announces Versal AI Edge Series with Cortex-A72 & R5 cores, FPGA fabric - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/06/17/xilinx-announces-versal-ai-edge-series-with-cortex-a72-r5-cores-fpga-fabric/ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware [04:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Xilinx announces Versal AI Edge Series with Cortex-A72 & R5 cores, FPGA fabric - CNX Software [04:47] Ariadne well, KDE is pretty decent [04:47] Ariadne as is XFCE [04:47] Ariadne but GNOME 40 is just... strange [04:47] XRevan86 I am really okay with my Android 5 device, except that I started getting a weird waving image when applying pressure on the screen, and I think it's a sign of battery bloat. [04:47] Ariadne and macOS 11 feels a lot like GNOME 40 [04:48] XRevan86 If I disappear my smartphone may have exploded %) [04:48] techrights-bot/fn #ksw swallows the #wayland pill https://szopa.org.pl/kde/2021/06/16/KDE-Goals-June-2021.html [04:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-szopa.org.pl | KDE Goals Update June 2021 | Adam Szopa [04:48] MinceR funny, i thought it was still gnome that copied macos [04:48] techrights-bot/fn #kde swallows the #wayland pill https://szopa.org.pl/kde/2021/06/16/KDE-Goals-June-2021.html [04:48] rbraun/fn Ariadne: full GNOME 3, ya mean? GNOME 2 was basically designed like classic macos meets modern things [04:49] Ariadne rbraun: yes [04:49] Ariadne MinceR: yes, seems to be the other way around now [04:49] Ariadne macOS 11 is so awful [04:49] MinceR which did the widgets in the title bar first? [04:49] Ariadne GNOME [04:49] MinceR oh, lol [04:49] Ariadne but macOS 11 copied [04:50] MinceR i thought it was the other way around [04:50] Ariadne you might because of itunes [04:50] MinceR because i (thankfully) don't see macos that often [04:50] Ariadne but itunes was the only thing that did that [04:50] MinceR yeah, didn't itunes have it first? [04:50] Ariadne in macOS 11, almost everything has it [04:51] Ariadne macOS dark mode is also ugly as fuck [04:51] MinceR anyway, apparently having oversized bars on top of the window with unnecessary stuff inside is the "modern" thing now :> [04:51] MinceR i don't think i've seen macos dark mode, except possibly title bars on screen shots [04:52] DaemonFC schestowitz, Lenovo adding kernel drivers for ThinkPads and ThinkBooks now. [04:52] DaemonFC https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/pdx86/platform-drivers-x86.git/commit/?h=review-hans&id=a40cd7ef22fbb11229cf982920f4ec96c1f49282 [04:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.kernel.org | kernel/git/pdx86/platform-drivers-x86.git - Linux x86 platform drivers tree [04:52] Ariadne my desktop is aarch64 honeycomb machine running alpine [04:52] DaemonFC It allows users to change BIOS settings from within the OS using WMI. [04:52] Ariadne 100% free software in the firmware [04:52] Ariadne i have a radeon gpu though [04:53] Ariadne so still a binary blob for that ;/ [04:53] Ariadne but linux loads that [04:53] rbraun/fn has a great free driver, at least, unlike nvidia [04:53] Ariadne i am trying to banish x86 from my life [04:54] techrights-bot/fn [Old] Tarsnap Architecture http://tilde.town/~magical/tarsnap.html [04:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tilde.town | Tarsnap architecture [04:55] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #JanPietMens SSH with a SmartCard-HSM and EC keys https://jpmens.net/2021/06/16/ssh-with-a-smartcard-hsm/ [04:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jpmens.net | Jan-Piet Mens :: SSH with a SmartCard-HSM and EC keys [04:55] techrights-bot/fn #Kernel : AMD, VirtIO, Lenovo and Mpre http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152371 #Linux #TuxMachines [04:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: AMD, VirtIO, Lenovo and Mpre | Tux Machines [04:56] techrights-bot/fn #Graphics : Wayland in KDE and Mike Blumenkrantz on Zink http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152372 #Linux #TuxMachines [04:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics: Wayland in KDE and Mike Blumenkrantz on Zink | Tux Machines [04:56] arbition I think a lot of people are, but it's only starting to become feasible. Intel dropping the ball with their process node helps. [04:56] arbition Can't remember if nVidia finalised aquiring ARM though [04:56] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #LiamProven Did you know that you can 100% legally get & run #WordPerfect for free? https://liam-on-linux.livejournal.com/80768.html [04:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-liam-on-linux.livejournal.com | Did you know that you can 100% legally get & run WordPerfect for free?: liam_on_linux LiveJournal [04:57] arbition I think they did, and that's not a great road eithre [04:57] MinceR that doesn't sound like it will do ARM any favors anyway [04:57] MinceR right [04:57] MinceR but then there's TrustZone anyway [04:57] arbition There's been a little movement recently on making silicon more accessible for open hardware, but that's fundamentally a difficult problem [04:57] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #VentureBeat #Programming U.S. Supreme Court sends #Microsoft #LinkedIn data-scraping suit back to lower court https://venturebeat.com/2021/06/14/u-s-supreme-court-sends-linkedin-data-scraping-suit-back-to-lower-court/ [04:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-U.S. Supreme Court sends LinkedIn data-scraping suit back to lower court | VentureBeat [04:57] MinceR i wonder if the EU is planning to start manufacturing processors around here so that maybe we'll have processors without usian or chinese or russian backdoors in them [04:58] arbition by that I mean silicon design and manufacture [04:58] *hawthorn has quit (Quit: leaving) [04:58] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #WSWS #china #cn #assange Ai Weiweis artwork in support of Julian Assange rejected by Firstsite #UK exhibition https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/06/14/weiw-j14.html so UK is like China? Cancelling dissent? [04:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wsws.org | Ai Weiweis artwork in support of Julian Assange rejected by Firstsite UK exhibition - World Socialist Web Site [04:58] *hawthorn (~hawthorn@xct6ezdtuwuuq.irc) has joined #techrights [04:58] arbition Given the discussion on IBM before, I'm guessing POWER isn't too popular either? Sorry I haven't read much in the way of a backlog of articles [04:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 35.66 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 49.43 [04:59] arbition Because otherwise Talos touts itself as an open alternative ● Jun 17 [05:01] techrights-bot/fn #Microsoft Windows TCO: #TheRegisterUK #ProprietarySoftware #Ryuk #ransomware recovery cost us $8.1m and counting, says Baltimore school authority https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/16/baltimore_ryuk_ransomware_dollars_8_1m_recovery_cost/ [05:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Ryuk ransomware recovery cost us $8.1m and counting, says Baltimore school authority The Register [05:01] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #JeffGeerling #ProprietarySoftware #amazon #crap AWS S3 Glacier Deep Archive - Difficulty deleting files with accents https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2021/aws-s3-glacier-deep-archive-difficulty-deleting-files-accents http://techrights.org/2020/06/10/the-bezos-leaning-ploy/ [05:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jeffgeerling.com | AWS S3 Glacier Deep Archive - Difficulty deleting files with accents | Jeff Geerling [05:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | AWS is Not GNU/Linux and AWS Certification is a Bezos-Leaning Ploy That Rewards People for Memorising Proprietary Interfaces (Vendor Lock-in) | Techrights [05:02] schestowitz [04:52] schestowitz, Lenovo adding kernel drivers for ThinkPads and ThinkBooks now. [05:02] schestowitz yes, I saw that and mentioned it twice [05:03] schestowitz seems Lenovo becomes more pro-Linux than IBM ^_^ [05:03] schestowitz but IBM is a low standard [05:03] techrights-bot/fn #Microsoft Windows TCO: #TheEconomist The methods and menace of the new bank robbers https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2021/06/16/the-methods-and-menace-of-the-new-bank-robbers [05:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The methods and menace of the new bank robbers | The Economist [05:04] MinceR arbition: i don't know. i know they're expensive and i know i don't want to give ibm any money [05:04] MinceR also, since i want to be able to move around, i tend to prefer laptops [05:04] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #IndiaTimes #Confidentiality #Security flaw found in 2G mobile data encryption standard https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/security-flaw-found-in-2g-mobile-data-encryption-standard/83570839 [05:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | security flaw: Security flaw found in 2G mobile data encryption standard, IT News, ET CIO [05:04] MinceR generally the lighter the better [05:05] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #TheHill #Confidentiality Researchers discover flaw in 2G mobile #encryption algorithm https://thehill.com/policy/technology/558815-researchers-discover-flaw-in-2g-mobile-encryption-algorithm [05:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Researchers discover flaw in 2G mobile encryption algorithm | TheHill [05:05] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #ABC #Confidentiality #Security flaw found in #2G mobile data #encryption standard https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/security-flaw-found-2g-mobile-data-encryption-standard-78309008 [05:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-abcnews.go.com | Security flaw found in 2G mobile data encryption standard - ABC News [05:06] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #KrebsOnSecurity #ukraine Ukrainian Police Nab Six Tied to #CLOP #Ransomware https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/06/ukrainian-police-nab-six-tied-to-clop-ransomware/ Klopp :-) [05:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krebsonsecurity.com | Ukrainian Police Nab Six Tied to CLOP Ransomware Krebs on Security [05:07] schestowitz MinceR: yes, I used to loathe laptops [05:07] schestowitz hard to repair and upgrade [05:07] schestowitz but now it's good in case of things like moving things around, outages etc. [05:07] schestowitz no need to buy UPS [05:08] schestowitz today we even took a little laptop out of town [05:08] schestowitz weighs about 1kg, cost 150 pounds anew, 4 years ago [05:08] schestowitz laptops used to be very expensive [05:08] schestowitz the overhyped ones still are.... like paying 10 times more for a better processor [05:08] schestowitz not ARM [05:10] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #WSWS #nytimes New York Times marks 50 years since #PentagonPapers , ignoring persecution of Julian #Assange https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/06/16/pent-j16.html [05:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wsws.org | New York Times marks 50 years since Pentagon Papers, ignoring persecution of Julian Assange - World Socialist Web Site [05:13] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) [05:13] arbition I've always gone for big heavy laptops. [05:14] arbition At the moment my laptop is 6 years old though. Haven't seen anything good enough at a reasonable pricepoint to warrant moving. My desktop is similarly aged [05:14] arbition I'm kind of at a crossroads so I don't have a criteria set for what I'd get as a replacement [05:14] techrights-bot/fn Virtual Injustice -- Part 9 will be ready shortly. #epo #corruption #europe #germany #de [05:18] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux Build a Raspberry Pi Pico piano https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/build-a-raspberry-pi-pico-piano/ [05:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Build a Raspberry Pi Pico piano - Raspberry Pi [05:19] MinceR i'm considering an Asus ExpertBook B9 [05:19] schestowitz asus are good [05:19] schestowitz the hardware quality [05:20] schestowitz acer also [05:20] schestowitz i had some good and bad experiences with hp [05:20] schestowitz taiwanese companies have decent components it seems... [05:21] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights "Destiny 2" Creator Bungie Sues Cheat Seller AimJunkies for Copyright Infringement https://torrentfreak.com/destiny-2-creator-bungie-sues-cheat-seller-aimjunkies-for-copyright-infringement-210616/ [05:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"Destiny 2" Creator Bungie Sues Cheat Seller AimJunkies for Copyright Infringement * TorrentFreak [05:21] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights Court Sentences Operator of Danish Torrent Trackers to Prison https://torrentfreak.com/court-sentences-operator-of-danish-torrent-trackers-to-prison-210616/ [05:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Court Sentences Operator of Danish Torrent Trackers to Prison * TorrentFreak [05:26] *tr_guest|52276 (~d89a000c@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [05:26] *tr_guest|52276 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [05:27] DaemonFC https://torrentfreak.com/when-aussies-face-a-blocked-pirate-site-59-simply-give-up-dont-try-legal-options-210520/ [05:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-When Aussies Face a Blocked Pirate Site, 59% Simply Give Up & Don't Try Legal Options * TorrentFreak [05:28] MinceR there's a shocker [05:28] DaemonFC When people in Australia face a blocked pirate site 59% give up and do not pay for the thing they were looking for, and 12% find some other way to pirate the thing they were looking for. [05:28] arbition Yeah the options here for legal content sucks. Then there's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_Tax [05:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Australia Tax - Wikipedia [05:28] DaemonFC So, at best, the "loss" to the industry would be 29% of what it says it is. [05:29] DaemonFC That sort of confirms that pirates won't pay anything. [05:31] DaemonFC https://torrentfreak.com/devs-sneak-movie-piracy-apps-into-app-store-disguised-as-other-things-210615/ [05:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Devs Sneak Movie Piracy Apps Into App Store Disguised as Other Things * TorrentFreak [05:32] DaemonFC Using obfuscated code, pirate streaming apps were approved and added to the iOS app store. [05:32] arbition Yeah, Chinese do that too [05:33] MinceR the whole 'walled garden' concept is really working, isn't it? :> [05:33] arbition heh [05:33] *tr_guest|99960 (~d89a000c@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [05:34] *tr_guest|99960 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [05:34] arbition When my wife showed me one, I was like thinking, how can you trust these apps. At least on the web you can use script blockers and stuff. [05:36] *XFaCE (~XFaCE@uzfeivw9fp6ba.irc) has joined #techrights [05:41] techrights-bot/fn Expensive defense lawyer of rich people: no, my client is not lying, or or she said what's believed to be true, even if unintentionally false. Well, such a lawyer isn't a lawyer but a liar. Liars attract other liars. [05:41] psydroid > [notice] fedoramagazine.org | Write for Fedora Magazine, please! - Fedora Magazine [05:41] psydroid "Si. pero en espaol" "Im sorry that there are no plans for other language writing for Fedora Magazine. There has been some discussion I believe about translating it though, but I am unaware of the progress with it or indeed if any has been made." LOL [05:42] arbition Mechanism of US dominance? [05:42] arbition I mean yes there's the UK, but they're not exactly renegades [05:44] arbition I guess as much as app stores are a tool of lock-in, language is too. [05:45] arbition Though it's probably not entirely intentional [05:45] Ariadne FOSS is INCLUSION! FOSS is FREEDOM! FOSS is DIFFERENT OPINIONS! FOSS is FORKS! FOSS is DIFFERENT FORKS COMING TOGETHER TO YET SUCCEED ON SHARED GOALS! FOSS IS TRUE! BIG FOSS IS SILLY AND ISN'T FOSS! BIG FOSS TAKES ADVANTAGE OF YOU! DON'T BE USED LIKE A TOOL! YOU ARE NOT A FOOL! FORK YOUR WORK! END BIG FOSS! GET THE FORKS OUT! THE DIGITAL PITCH FORKS! BIG FOSS NO MORE! POWER TO THE [05:45] Ariadne wut [05:46] arbition Referring to the OSI? [05:46] Ariadne referring to god knows what [05:46] Ariadne root = rasengan = andrew lee [05:46] arbition my understanding is the OSI intends to be in opposition to the FSF [05:47] arbition I mean, he's pretty much taking the anti corporate line, which is a strong theme here. Unfortunately his approach to it is giving it a bad name. [05:47] arbition Which opens the possibility of whether this was all a set up [05:47] Ariadne i dont think so [05:47] Ariadne i think in this case 'big foss' is the irc dev community which have basically agreed to not give him any assistance [05:48] arbition Wasn't someone saying before that Libera is showing signs of big corporate woke-ness? [05:48] Ariadne who cares about libera [05:48] Ariadne self hosting is where its at [05:49] arbition well, I suppose I could make reference to what I was saying before about app stores, accessibility and lockin [05:49] Ariadne alpine's plan A was to self-host the irc, but then shit hit the fan [05:49] Ariadne so we wound up on oftc [05:49] Ariadne because standing up a production quality irc network that can handle the size of alpine's community is not so easy [05:51] arbition Well, so long as he doesn't start invoking RMS and FSF, because that will really do bad things for reputation [05:51] arbition to the FSF that is [05:52] schestowitz arbition: FOSS of Macbook Air! Macbook Air is FOSS! [05:52] Ariadne i hope it has become obvious to everyone why i do not want andrew involved in the FOSS supply chain by now [05:53] schestowitz or Microsoft... NPM supply chain [05:53] schestowitz GitHub supply chain [05:53] schestowitz NSA in the supply chain [05:53] schestowitz yay [05:53] schestowitz maybe they can impose "export" rules [05:53] schestowitz "sorry, your request cannot be processed from iran. download blocked" [05:54] schestowitz Work in progress: http://techrights.org/2019/07/28/linux-foundation-microsoft-outsourcing/ [05:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | People From Half a Dozen Countries May be Banned From Participating in the Linux Foundation Because Its Outsourcing Many Projects to Microsoft/GitHub | Techrights [05:54] arbition ouch [05:54] schestowitz reality imitates fiction [05:54] schestowitz LF = I am woke [05:54] schestowitz Zemlin: I married Sheela [05:54] Ariadne there are certainly other problems in the supply chain [05:54] schestowitz LF - no FOSS for you! [05:54] schestowitz Zemlin: FOSS is iPad! [05:55] arbition I'm just remembering what I was saying yesterday about China and export controls with Open Source. humm [05:55] schestowitz "export" [05:55] schestowitz export my software from my website [05:55] schestowitz unzip the exported file [05:55] Ariadne cryptographic export controls are from a different era and are an example of State violence [05:55] schestowitz wget is an export program [05:56] schestowitz curl also [05:56] schestowitz curl needs to delete github [05:56] schestowitz curl is piracy export program [05:56] schestowitz it can export illegal things [05:56] arbition I mean, it would follow that corporate america follows the US government [05:57] Ariadne arbition: yes, because if they do not, the State will wreck their shit [05:57] gustaf arbition: the OSI and FSF parted ways like ... 25 years ago [05:57] Ariadne we should protest export controls at large [05:57] arbition right, I'm saying the OSI is basically a corporate puppet [05:57] schestowitz it got worse a few years ago [05:58] schestowitz and patrick left last year [05:58] schestowitz also left abruptly [05:58] schestowitz in a bad state [05:58] arbition So I'm suggesting that rasengans rant is now shovelling dirt on grassroots open source and is making corporate open source look even shinier [05:58] gustaf the OSI is barely relevant, but a bit more so than the FSF, when it comes to public perceptions of FLOSS [05:58] schestowitz they don't know how to edit the wiki or run an OSI election [05:58] schestowitz Maybe Microsoft can help them [05:58] schestowitz github straw poll [05:58] schestowitz GitHub is FOSS!!! [05:58] gustaf arbition: rasengan has a very shallow understanding of the nuances of open source [05:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 39.13 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 57.78 [05:59] gustaf ESR's blog is still offline [05:59] arbition Yes, but guilt is frequently by association. A large number of developers are going to see that and not investigate deeper [05:59] Ariadne gustaf: nothing of value was lost [05:59] schestowitz they tried to hijack the brand ● Jun 17 [06:00] schestowitz that's OK, ages ago we moved back to Free software [06:00] schestowitz and they will not hijack that term so easily [06:00] schestowitz it's harder to fake freedom [06:00] arbition Ah ok. Will keep it in mind [06:00] schestowitz some github repo doesn't impress people who value freedom [06:00] gustaf Ariadne: not sure who's running Freenode's Twitter account but it sure doesn't sound like Lee... I love how they're screenshotting a line by @sadie on IRC instead of ,y'know, replying to her on Twitter... [06:00] arbition So I should be saying free software as the licence is more important than the access [06:00] Ariadne as theo de raadt says, "i do free software, i have no idea what open source is" [06:01] Ariadne gustaf: thats a common mobbing tactic [06:01] gustaf yeah I can see it ... [06:01] schestowitz no context this way [06:01] schestowitz maybe the context or replies scare them [06:01] arbition It does make me think though. Will Free software eventually be forced to operate much like piracy operations. [06:02] schestowitz Twitter is a waste of time [06:02] schestowitz it should never be any project's formal comms tool [06:02] arbition Sort of wonder what it'd be like if the entire Free Software ecosystem was on Tor or i2p or whatever [06:02] schestowitz or government's [06:02] schestowitz see Nigeria [06:02] gustaf Ariadne: well Theo cuts to the heart of the matter, right? To him, BSD is "free software", but RMS disagrees that it's "Free Software" [06:02] schestowitz FSF gave him an award [06:03] gustaf Ariadne: re: size of communities for IRC self-hosting, how large is #alpine + ancillary channels? [06:03] schestowitz also, we use some of their software, they use ours, or so the thinking goes... [06:03] Ariadne gustaf: ~2k users [06:03] gustaf Ariadne: ta [06:03] gustaf schestowitz: did he accept? ;) [06:03] Ariadne gustaf: the problem isn't one of capacity, but rather coming up with a plan to deal with herding ~2k users [06:03] schestowitz gustaf: who? [06:03] schestowitz ah, ok [06:03] schestowitz yes, he did [06:03] schestowitz but later he'd mock RMS [06:04] schestowitz seems like an fsf tradition [06:04] gustaf de Raadt is a bit of a dick [06:04] schestowitz rewarding RMS bashers [06:04] Ariadne for techrights, i just threw up a container in like 5 minutes using the official ergo ircd whatever container image [06:04] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/03/20/bradley-kuhn-fsf-award/ [06:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why Does the FSF Keep Rewarding People Who Work Against the FSFs Founder? | Techrights [06:04] Ariadne ohh ohh ohh [06:04] Ariadne i know why! [06:04] Ariadne wanna know why schestowitz? [06:04] schestowitz go on [06:05] Ariadne the FSF awards are basically RMS's way of trying to make peace offerings with people he pissed off [06:05] XFaCE schestowitz: Agreed with Twitter, it tends to encourage individuals with narcissistic tendencies. [06:05] arbition Perfectly cynical. I love it [06:05] arbition (the FSF award I mean) [06:06] Ariadne theo de raadt got an award after ripping on RMS [06:06] Ariadne bradley kuhn got an award after ripping on RMS [06:06] Ariadne etc [06:06] XFaCE Actually Theo went off after getting the award. [06:07] XFaCE Not that it matters. [06:07] schestowitz yes, it usually comes AFTER [06:07] Ariadne well i would not want to argue with our resident openbsd person :) [06:07] schestowitz de Icaza, Nicholson [06:08] XFaCE My existence is a political issue. [06:08] Ariadne whose isn't [06:08] XFaCE Most peoples [06:08] schestowitz Also, SFC backed the anti-RMS letter [06:08] schestowitz just DAYS after the Kuhn award [06:08] schestowitz although not under his name [06:08] Ariadne gustaf: anyway, in case of alpine, "lol throw up an ircd" isn't enough of a plan [06:09] Ariadne the infrastructure team wanted to establish an IRC team to handle the IRC network, which we were working on, but then shit hit the fan and we decided "fuck it, plan B" [06:09] gustaf I got an email from a reader of my coverage who found it "suspicious" that Libera was up and running [06:09] gustaf so fast [06:10] Ariadne it does not take that long to set up an irc network with puppet [06:10] Ariadne if you have a plan [06:10] Ariadne in the case of libera, they already had a plan: just duplicate what freenode had already set up [06:10] gustaf I think the draft resignation letters leaked around 14 May [06:10] gustaf and flag day was 19 ? [06:11] schestowitz 'leaked' [06:11] arbition I don't see why that's a suprise. People are allowed to commune in secret [06:11] gustaf gonna reply that old FN staff was *competent*, unlike current [06:11] AdmFubar https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210610/19155846970/after-eight-years-three-reviews-case-indiana-supreme-court-rules-police-must-return-seized-car-to-owner.shtml [06:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-After Eight Years And Three Reviews Of The Case, Indiana Supreme Court Rules Police Must Return Seized Car To Its Owner | Techdirt [06:11] arbition Well the leak I can't speak to [06:11] gustaf arbition: I mean if you're not extremely online this came as a bit of a shock [06:12] gustaf I however am, for my sins :P [06:12] arbition I'm just saying that they were cooperatively drafting their departure isn't a suprise. [06:12] schestowitz gustaf: the leak predates 14th http://techrights.org/2021/05/14/how-freenode-works/ [06:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Understanding How Freenode (IRC) Works or Doesnt Work in 2021 | Techrights [06:12] Ariadne gustaf: i had the resign letters on may 10th [06:13] AdmFubar https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/indian_job_cuts_boa/ [06:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Three million job cuts coming at Indian services giants by next year, says Bank of America The Register [06:13] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/05/13/freenode-advice/ [06:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Need for Reliable Governance at Freenode | Techrights [06:14] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/05/13/private-internet-access-and-freenode/ [06:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Andrew Lee of Private Internet Access/London Trust Media Increasingly Owns and Controls Freenode (Updatedx2) | Techrights [06:14] gustaf arbition: agreed [06:14] schestowitz 13th [06:15] techrights-bot/fn While the rich are getting a lot richer. https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/indian_job_cuts_boa/ [06:16] gustaf thanks for the links all [06:17] AdmFubar https://hackaday.com/2021/06/16/the-other-first-computer-konrad-zuse-and-the-z3/ [06:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Other First Computer: Konrad Zuse And The Z3 | Hackaday [06:22] arbition Well this hasn't gone quite as I'd planned. I've spent a lot of time here I've "borrowed". I suppose I'll just keep up with techrights and read logs occasionally. I'd better go or else be faced with temptation [06:22] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [06:22] arbition Thanks for chatting. I'm glad I found you guys [06:22] *arbition has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.0.1) [06:32] AdmFubar time for bed here night all [06:33] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has left #techrights [06:42] *tr_guest|82549 (~4a41c89d@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [06:43] *tr_guest|82549 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [06:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 39.10 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 28.60 ● Jun 17 [07:28] techrights-bot/fn A lot of the time people who lack the talent call those who have it "bigots" because they lack another way to compete [07:31] techrights-bot/fn The Other First Computer: Konrad Zuse And The Z3 https://hackaday.com/2021/06/16/the-other-first-computer-konrad-zuse-and-the-z3/ [07:37] techrights-bot/fn Dash to Panel GNOME Shell Extension Turns GNOME 40 Into KDE Plasma or Windows 10 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152373 [07:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Dash to Panel GNOME Shell Extension Turns GNOME 40 Into KDE Plasma or Windows 10 | Tux Machines [07:37] techrights-bot/fn Devices: Xilinx, TI, NVIDIA, and Raspberry Pi http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152374 [07:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Devices: Xilinx, TI, NVIDIA, and Raspberry Pi | Tux Machines [07:38] techrights-bot/fn Open Hardware/Moddig Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152375 [07:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware/Moddig Leftovers | Tux Machines [07:50] techrights-bot/fn #jeffbezos https://www.change.org/p/the-proletariat-do-not-allow-jeff-bezos-to-return-to-earth [07:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Petition Do not allow Jeff Bezos to return to Earth Change.org [07:53] techrights-bot/fn #vista11 Look "Inspired" by KDE Plasma and GNOME? We try to find out. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152376 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [07:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Windows 11 Look "Inspired" by KDE Plasma and GNOME? We try to find out. | Tux Machines [07:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 51.48 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 55.61 ● Jun 17 [08:25] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #MichaelGeist #canada Null and Void: Speaker of the House of Commons Strikes Down Numerous Bill C-10 Amendments https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2021/06/null-and-void-speaker-of-the-house-of-commons-strikes-down-numerous-bill-c-10-amendments/ [08:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.michaelgeist.ca | Null and Void: Speaker of the House of Commons Strikes Down Numerous Bill C-10 Amendments - Michael Geist [08:27] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Techdirt #FBI Director Ignores More Than 500 Ongoing Capitol Raid Prosecutions To Complain That #Encryption Is Keeping Criminals From Being Caught https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210614/19005246991/fbi-director-ignores-more-than-500-ongoing-capitol-raid-prosecutions-to-complain-that-encryption-is-keeping-criminals-being.shtml [08:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FBI Director Ignores More Than 500 Ongoing Capitol Raid Prosecutions To Complain That Encryption Is Keeping Criminals From Being Caught | Techdirt [08:28] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Techdirt #Internet #ATandT Whines About Biden Focus On Community #Broadband https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210614/05484646985/att-whines-about-biden-focus-community-broadband.shtml [08:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AT&T Whines About Biden Focus On Community Broadband | Techdirt [08:33] techrights-bot/fn Virtual Injustice Part 9: Heli, the EPOs Nordic Ice-Queen http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/heli-pihlajamaa/ #finland #epo #swpats #patents #europe [08:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Virtual Injustice Part 9: Heli, the EPOs Nordic Ice-Queen | Techrights [08:54] techrights-bot/fn [Meme] Tilting the Scales for #SoftwarePatents http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/epo-ip-expansionism/ #swpats #patents #europe #epo [08:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Tilting the Scales for Software Patents | Techrights [08:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 32.70 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 49.50 ● Jun 17 [09:05] *pardus (~b2e91988@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [09:05] *pardus has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [09:25] gustaf g'morn [09:26] gustaf if someone has a working weechat /filter for the bot chatter, I'd like to see it... I had one that worked on the old network but for some reason it's not correct here [09:37] schestowitz you mean techrights-bot/fn? [09:38] schestowitz if your IRC client does not support muting for whatever reason, a shadow botless channel can be constructed, I suppose, but would be performance overkill [09:40] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Techdirt #FBI #windows #microsoft #ransomware FBI's Recovery Of Colonial Pipeline Bitcoin Ransom Highlights How The 'Ban Crypto To Stop Ransomware' Cries Were Wrong Again https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210615/10020946997/fbis-recovery-colonial-pipeline-bitcoin-ransom-highlights-how-ban-crypto-to-stop-ransomware-cries-were-wrong-again.shtml [09:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FBI's Recovery Of Colonial Pipeline Bitcoin Ransom Highlights How The 'Ban Crypto To Stop Ransomware' Cries Were Wrong Again | Techdirt [09:45] techrights-bot/fn #IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/irc-log-160621/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/17/irc-log-160621/ [09:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 | Techrights [09:45] techrights-bot/fn #TeamCampinos is full of people who instead of grasping and working to promote innovation are boosting the agenda of litigation (scientists are not being employed) http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/heli-pihlajamaa/ #Techrights #EPO #corruption #patents #fi | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/17/heli-pihlajamaa/ [09:46] techrights-bot/fn Shovelling up lots of #patents , even #fakepatents such as #softwarepatents , dooms the #EPO (EPC violations, lawlessness), dooms European professionals http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/epo-ip-expansionism/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/17/epo-ip-expansionism/ [09:49] techrights-bot/fn "MsPL has a clause added specifically and only to make it incompatible with the GPL and related licenses." https://mastodon.social/@rysiek/106411547785515426 [09:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | Rysiekr Memesson: "@lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz MsPL has a clause " - Mastodon [09:50] techrights-bot/fn "Discovering that two high profile #Windows #security offerings can not co-exist on the same system because they both depend on (and supply, writing to a system directory of course) a library that's officially abandonware and whose authors recommend strongly against using due to non-mitigatable exploitability." https://mastodon.social/@pitrh/106419095167096922 [09:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | Peter N. M. Hansteen: "Discovering that two high profile Windows securit" - Mastodon [09:50] techrights-bot/fn "Ooh, didnt realise you could subscribe to an RSS feed by just entering the sites url into Feedbin. That saves a lot of time hunting around for a hidden feed!" https://mastodon.laurakalbag.com/@laura/106420446307254089 [09:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.laurakalbag.com | Laura Kalbag: "Ooh, didnt realise you could subscribe to an RSS" - Mastodon [09:51] techrights-bot/fn "RLW used a color printer to print the docs she leaked, and the model of printer in her office printed yellow #trackerDots. Then #wikileaks scanned the docs, and the tracker dots appeared on the digital copy that #wikileaks published, which trivially traced to RLW's office." https://newsbots.eu/@democracynow/106415570520682138 [09:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Democracy Now!: "**NSA Whistleblower Reality Winner Released from " - NewsBots.eu [09:53] techrights-bot/fn was burned by an ENEMY of #wikileaks -- Mr. Omidyar and his flunkies -- whereas Wikileaks and myself back then cautioned against use of printers because of these hidden dots. STOP BLAMING WIKILEAKS FOR THE WRONG THINGS! [09:53] techrights-bot/fn There seems to be a misunderstanding! Reality Winner was burned by an ENEMY of #wikileaks -- Mr. Omidyar and his flunkies -- whereas Wikileaks and myself back then cautioned against use of printers because of these hidden dots. STOP BLAMING WIKILEAKS FOR THE WRONG THINGS! [09:54] techrights-bot/fn #socialcontrolmedia = #misinformation amplifier [09:54] techrights-bot/fn "We (Sequoia, https://sequoia-pgp.org) are looking to hire a devop engineer to maintain and expand our CI, setup some benchmarking infrastructure, keep our web services running like dump.sequoia-pgp.org, etc." https://mastodon.social/@nwalfield/106392757551055888 [09:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sequoia-pgp.org | Sequoia-PGP [09:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | Neal Walfield: "We (Sequoia, https://sequoia-pgp.org) are looking" - Mastodon [09:55] techrights-bot/fn #de #pirateparty on "EU Crisis Protocol" https://chaos.social/@echo_pbreyer/106417250951540176 [09:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patrick Breyer: "I have requested access: https://www.asktheeu.org" - chaos.social [09:55] gustaf schestowitz: I'll try to recreate my filters [09:55] techrights-bot/fn #freenode has only itself to blame now... https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/06/16/0619247 [09:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Freenode Commits Suicide - Deletes All Its Users - SoylentNews [09:58] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Techdirt #Censorship Content Moderation Case Study: #YouTube Relocates Video Accused Of Inflated Views (2014) https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210616/12034247004/content-moderation-case-study-youtube-relocates-video-accused-inflated-views-2014.shtml [09:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Content Moderation Case Study: YouTube Relocates Video Accused Of Inflated Views (2014) | Techdirt [09:58] schestowitz gustaf: the usernames are consistent by design [09:59] gustaf schestowitz: that's great! I'm new to weechat so its filtering is a bit confusing ● Jun 17 [10:35] schestowitz Ariadne: if you ask to revoke the signature in the "Remove RMS" letter and suggest someone like leah, then we can do a constructive article about that [10:35] schestowitz I think the FSF would appreciate that, too [10:35] schestowitz at the moment I am doing an article about GNU C Library (glibc) and GNU Portability Library (gnulib) [10:40] Ariadne well i no longer support the updated position of the letter anyway [10:41] Ariadne however, if i choose to remove the signature, i do not wish to have an article about that. [10:43] Ariadne as in: i will be very annoyed if techrights covers the removal of my signature [10:44] schestowitz yeah, I know [10:44] schestowitz hence I brought that up [10:45] schestowitz well, if you do remove it, I promise not to mention it [10:45] schestowitz I actually discussed a month ago with RMS and Oliva how people who want to be removed would think twice from fear of the removal becoming a visible event [10:46] schestowitz because Oliva wanted to make it easier for people to just make it clear they have some remorse [10:46] schestowitz but said nobody would wish to "go first" [10:46] Ariadne RMS gave what i wanted as a precondition for his rejoining the board anyway: a union-elected seat on the board [10:47] Ariadne he made several other concessions [10:48] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Techdirt #patents Think Tech Companies Are Too Monopolistic? Then Stop Giving Them #Patent #Monopolies https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210614/07470746988/think-tech-companies-are-too-monopolistic-then-stop-giving-them-patent-monopolies.shtml [10:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Think Tech Companies Are Too Monopolistic? Then Stop Giving Them Patent Monopolies | Techdirt [10:48] Ariadne so i am fine with it. what i did not want was a return to what it was in the past. [10:48] schestowitz the issues have changed [10:48] schestowitz right now it's the CLA thing [10:48] Ariadne yes, i want to abolish the CLA [10:49] schestowitz my next article is about this [10:49] Ariadne anybody who wants to send a patch to a GNU software should be able to do so [10:49] Ariadne as it is in linux [10:49] Ariadne but regardless RMS did not just meet, but exceeded what i wanted [10:51] Ariadne also i have talked to people in FSF and the main reason for having RMS back is to plan for his succession [10:51] Ariadne and well i have no objection to that. its a conversation that has been needed for a long time [10:52] schestowitz over a decade [10:52] schestowitz we spoke about this in 2007 in Techrights [10:54] schestowitz he was a lot younger back then, so it wasn't as rude, it wasn't like talking about a 70 year old like he's on his deathbed [10:55] Ariadne anyway [10:55] Ariadne it has been communicated to me that when the board said we cant do this without him what they were referring to was the succession plan [10:58] Ariadne users here may have noticed that i said union elected board member [10:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 33.01 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 35.73 ● Jun 17 [11:00] Ariadne FSF is unionized. it is unionized because employees wanted a better deal with RMS [11:00] schestowitz that's a positive thing [11:00] schestowitz compared to how it was a year ago [11:00] Ariadne i will say that RMS did not fight unionization, he took it gracefully [11:00] Ariadne FSF has been unionized since 2005 [11:01] Ariadne i think unionizing FSF was actually good [11:01] techrights-bot/fn Response to #Misinformation From #EPO Officials http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/swpats-epo-officials/ #patents #swpats [11:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Response to Misinformation From EPO Officials | Techrights [11:01] schestowitz will? [11:02] schestowitz it's OK as long as the workers are pro-freesw [11:02] schestowitz a union would become problematic to the mission if they hired poorly [11:02] Ariadne they are but they like having vacation time and sick days [11:02] schestowitz and then give control to everyday workers whose views are not aligned with the mission [11:03] Ariadne and bereavement leave [11:04] Ariadne RMS had unrealistic expectations of his staff [11:06] Ariadne the union contract fixed a lot of things [11:07] Ariadne but i can say that the FSF staff are quite supportive of free software [11:07] Ariadne you dont become an FSF employee without supporting free software [11:08] Ariadne like even with unionization, the pay is under competitive to other employers [11:08] Ariadne however for comparison [11:08] Ariadne on pay [11:08] Ariadne the FSF sysadmins [11:09] Ariadne were getting $28,000/year prior to the union [11:09] Ariadne after the union it got bumped to $60,000 [11:09] Ariadne so basically double [11:10] Ariadne in boston, $28k is under the poverty line while $60k is livable [11:13] schestowitz was it really that low? [11:13] schestowitz the irs filings did not show salaries for those levels [11:13] schestowitz they shows johns's [11:13] schestowitz *show [11:22] *tr_guest|82549 (~4a41c89d@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [11:23] *tr_guest|82549 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [11:35] techrights-bot/fn [Meme] The Enlarged Bored People With Presidential Decrees http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/meme-the-enlarged-bored-people-with-presidential-decrees/ #epo #europe #patent #law [11:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] The Enlarged Bored People With Presidential Decrees | Techrights [11:36] techrights-bot/fn Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152377 [11:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [11:39] Ariadne the irs filings only show executive compensation [11:39] Ariadne not employee compensation [11:39] Ariadne and yes, they were [11:40] Ariadne but that was then and this is now [11:40] Ariadne the union contract which RMS supported anyway, ensured they had marginally decent employee pay, a shop steward to raise issues with, vacation/sick/etc time [11:41] Ariadne i think in this case the situation was largely that RMS transitioned from academia to running FSF and thus had never really worked an actual job before and so didnt know what was standard :p [11:43] Ariadne so i think he wanted to do right by his employees, and the unionization helped him achieve that [11:44] schestowitz salaries there are indeed laughable [11:44] schestowitz academia that is [11:44] schestowitz to the point where I can get the same pay just working elsewhere a few hours a week [11:44] schestowitz and academic freedom is gone too [11:45] schestowitz they become corporate shills [11:45] schestowitz with labs funded by corporations that pay their employees like 4 times more [11:45] schestowitz and want to render scholars a "studies" mill [11:45] activelow i could show you the contracts german telecom offered, due to "international competition" and such [11:45] Ariadne at least RMS has never said anything bad about the union and has considered it a point of pride that his employees ARE unionized [11:45] Ariadne so i dont think he has ever had a problem with it :) [11:46] activelow asked if I was interested in a PHd programme with them... left. [11:46] schestowitz (IBM, Microsoft, Google, Intel) [11:46] schestowitz "woke" enough to "fund" (bribe) labs [11:46] activelow Telco is a somewhat different domain [11:46] schestowitz and sometimes students [11:49] Ariadne anyway, between understanding more deeply the context of why he was brought back, and the concessions the board made to balance it out [11:49] Ariadne i dont support the letters continued call for his removal [11:50] Ariadne my position was can we not [11:50] Ariadne not theres no possible outcome where this is ok [11:51] activelow sorry for interrupting, salary triggered me [11:52] activelow didn't follow the defamation campagin against RMS [11:53] Ariadne well the incidents the letter outline did happen [11:53] Ariadne and i did not find myself enthusiastic about them [11:53] Ariadne though some things in media have also been misrepresented [11:53] Ariadne RMS for example called epstein later in the thread a serial rapist [11:54] activelow didn't follow the epstein and weinstein scandals either, this is anglo-american realm and mindset i am not accustomed to [11:55] Ariadne i made a more balanced and reasonable case for why i gave the letter my support on my blog [11:55] Ariadne it had little to do with the actual content of the letter, but rather his actual job performance as head of FSF [11:56] techrights-bot/fn Too Much Noise and/or Distraction and General Loss of Focus (on the Real and Urgent Issues, Such as the Ongoing Anti-FSF 'Coup') http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/loss-of-focus/ #fsf #gnu #freesw #microsoft #vista11 [11:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Too Much Noise and/or Distraction and General Loss of Focus (on the Real and Urgent Issues, Such as the Ongoing Anti-FSF Coup) | Techrights [11:56] Ariadne and those concerns are largely addressed now [11:56] Ariadne but i think something RMS should realize is, he has an obligation to make space for people to grow into leadership positions in GNU and FSF [11:56] schestowitz [11:53] RMS for example called epstein later in the thread a serial rapist [11:57] schestowitz He called him that in April 2019 [11:57] Ariadne yes [11:57] schestowitz not just later in some thread [11:57] schestowitz (or at all) [11:57] Ariadne but also in the MIT thread [11:57] schestowitz but the point here, he was by no means defending the actions at any point [11:57] Ariadne he should have left it alone tbh [11:58] schestowitz that's not how he is [11:58] schestowitz he does want to be able to touch controversial issues [11:58] Ariadne people were rightly pissed that MIT took his money [11:58] schestowitz apparently this is becoming less possible over time [11:58] schestowitz same for comedians [11:58] schestowitz who chicken out of jokes that might offend someone [11:58] schestowitz Ariadne: MIT took Gates money [11:58] schestowitz via Epstein [11:59] schestowitz not Epstein money [11:59] Ariadne sure but inserting yourself into a group of people who are upset isnt good plan [11:59] schestowitz Epstein was Bill's mule [11:59] Ariadne i dont understand that [11:59] schestowitz let me show you the letter [11:59] Ariadne if bill wanted to give mit money [11:59] schestowitz there are several [11:59] Ariadne couldnt he just do it himself [11:59] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/05/27/joi-ito-email/ [11:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Joi Ito Already Admitted on the Record That Bill Gates Had Paid MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein | Techrights [11:59] Ariadne why go through a sleeve all ● Jun 17 [12:00] Ariadne [12:00] Ariadne sleezeball [12:00] schestowitz there's more [12:00] schestowitz but would take me time to find [12:00] *tr_guest|82549 (~4a41c89d@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [12:00] Ariadne anyway point is people were mad that money tainted by epstein was accepted by MIT [12:00] schestowitz Melinda went to divorce lawyers that moth [12:01] schestowitz MIT still covers the arse of Bill http://techrights.org/2020/01/10/gates-sponsored-mit/ [12:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Massachusetts Institute of Tall Tales (MIT) Covers Up Bill Gates Bribery of MIT Through a High-Profile Pedophile, Citing No Evidence Other Than Representatives of Gates Himself | Techrights [12:01] schestowitz and MIT [12:01] Ariadne anyway [12:01] schestowitz instead of pursuing real investigation [12:01] schestowitz same it did to Swartz [12:01] Ariadne point is [12:01] Ariadne [05:56] but i think something RMS should realize is, he has an obligation to make space for people to grow into leadership positions in GNU and FSF [12:02] Ariadne this is something he needs to do more effectively [12:02] schestowitz removing him has not helped [12:02] Ariadne many people feel that there is a vacuum in the presence of RMS [12:02] Ariadne indeed not [12:02] schestowitz 1.5 years of FSF with a loss of direction [12:03] Ariadne loss of direction has been longer than 1.5 years imo [12:03] *tr_guest|82549 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:03] Ariadne GNU is underfunded for years while FSF has marketing campaigns about windows being bad [12:04] Ariadne FSF needs to solve that. make alliances, do something. get GNU well funded [12:05] schestowitz Windows is bad [12:05] schestowitz they need to get back to talking about that [12:06] schestowitz funding tends to come with strings [12:06] schestowitz they need members [12:06] schestowitz many members are diverse enough to avoid the strings [12:06] schestowitz and you don't get more members by showing a page that says thank GNU Google, IBM etc. [12:06] schestowitz figosdev wrote about it [12:06] schestowitz the members have no influence [12:06] schestowitz the big sponsors do [12:06] *tr_guest|82549 (~4a41c89d@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [12:07] schestowitz too many sponsors and you end up as LF [12:07] schestowitz with a joke of a direction [12:07] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/05/31/linux-brand-killed-by-lf/ [12:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Has Killed the Linux Brand (in Pursuit of Short-Term Profits) | Techrights [12:07] activelow and the roadmap of big sponsors is to 1) remain big and 2) prevent small business succeeding [12:07] schestowitz people now pay LF just to ATTACK "Linux" [12:07] schestowitz and the GPL [12:08] schestowitz techrights is doing well BECAUSE it never depended on begging for money or pushing ads [12:08] schestowitz and that won't be changing [12:08] schestowitz so we can criticise everything and everyone [12:09] schestowitz OSI quit pushing to replace Windows in voting machines [12:09] schestowitz instead it is PUSHING ITS OWN BUDGET to PROPRIETARY GitHub [12:09] *tr_guest|82549 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:09] schestowitz where Microsodft is openwashing Windows in election/voting machines [12:09] activelow a moment ago i was asking and chatting a little in #fsf on freenode, accusing them of supporting non-free proprietary systems [12:09] schestowitz voteGuard of whatever they call that crap [12:09] schestowitz OSI is finished [12:09] schestowitz dead [12:09] schestowitz finished. Full stop [12:09] schestowitz and they know it [12:10] schestowitz now they just try to edit wikipedia to claim otherwise [12:10] schestowitz to keep a bit of money flowing in [12:10] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/06/01/wikipedia-osi/ [12:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Libel Initiative: OSI President Falsely Insinuates OSI Critics Are Homophobic and Requests Censorship of Wikipedia (for OSI) | Techrights [12:10] activelow while fsf effectively supports vendors such as Intel meanwhile truly free and open isn't at least on topic: http://www.j-core.org [12:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.j-core.org | J-core Open Processor [12:11] *tr_guest|82549 (~4a41c89d@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [12:12] Techrights-sec Thu, 17 Jun 21 10:56:53 +0000:[Ariadne] but i think something RMS should realize is, he has an obligation to make space for peop [12:12] Techrights-sec le to grow into leadership positions in GNU and FSF [12:12] Techrights-sec "" [12:12] Techrights-sec A very important point. RMS needs to use this "extra" time to get [12:12] Techrights-sec FSF and GNU set up so that they continue on track without him. He can [12:12] Techrights-sec and ought to contribute as long as he is around but it would [12:12] Techrights-sec be irresponsible to set things up to just fall over the hour he passes on, [12:12] Techrights-sec sort of like what happened at the EFF. [12:13] schestowitz Cindy Cohn makes EFF look like a political wing with political objectives, sometimes at the expense of tech [12:14] *tr_guest|82549 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:14] Techrights-sec yes, tech has been badly sidelined at the EFF. They barely even make [12:14] Techrights-sec a token effort any more. [12:16] gustaf I've never thought of EFF as a tech-first org, but as a political lobbying group that happens to be focused on electronic communication [12:16] *tr_guest|82549 (~4a41c89d@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [12:17] activelow whatever the strategy of FSF was it didn't succeed with j-core.org to my knowledge [12:17] activelow reasons exist to keep such a project low profile in public [12:18] schestowitz gustaf: I heard that too [12:18] schestowitz but mostly alluding to recent eyars [12:19] schestowitz like EFF is a SF-based lobbying arm [12:19] schestowitz this was not like this 5 or 10 years ago [12:19] *tr_guest|82549 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:19] schestowitz they also worked to defend dissidents like Ola Bini and Assange [12:19] schestowitz but I guess the new management does not agree with the (co)founder and now-dead leader [12:19] schestowitz so they have some other priorities [12:19] schestowitz and the EFF's name helps them make a big different [12:19] schestowitz attack PGP [12:20] schestowitz attack RMS [12:20] schestowitz attack Microsoft's competitors [12:20] schestowitz give award to Microsoft [12:20] schestowitz promote Microsoft proxies [12:20] schestowitz I'm done with them, except here and there when they say something of value [12:20] schestowitz they used to fight software patents [12:20] schestowitz or "bad patents" [12:20] schestowitz now they barely talk about it anymore [12:21] schestowitz they seem to have discarded the staff [12:21] schestowitz Daniel Nazer moved to Mozilla [12:21] schestowitz Alex left [12:21] schestowitz Ranieri vanished [12:21] schestowitz Joe Mullin also [12:21] schestowitz it's not even clear who rides that ship anymore [12:21] schestowitz or where it is sailing [12:21] schestowitz kind of like OSI... which OMG... is a joke!!! [12:21] schestowitz They do NOTHING [12:22] schestowitz they can't even run their own election [12:23] techrights-bot/fn I already lost respect for Tim Berners-Lee when he added #DRM crap and promoted JavaScript utter shite in #Microsoft #proprietarySoftware cage, #github https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/16/world_wide_web_nft_tim_berners_lee_auction/ he has no relevance anymore... he knows it. [12:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Funny how Sir Tim Berners-Lee, famous for hyperlinks, is into NFTs, glorified hyperlinks The Register [12:26] activelow add to this i am concerned about what is provided to pupils in schools [12:26] techrights-bot/fn Tim Berners-Lee, a a Brit, started the #www in #switzerland and over time passed 110% control over the #w3c to imperialistic (and DRM, Pentagon-connected) AMERICAN corporations, rendering himself obsolete, except in some textbooks about the #history of the Web [12:27] activelow begining with calculators such as texas instruments TI89, whose firmware sources and computer algebra system remained fully closed [12:28] kingoffrance eh, its business. 1) partner with textbook company, get steps for using your calculator in required textbook 2) require your model calculator require for class 3) ... 4) profit! [12:29] activelow situation in university was even worse, since the laboraties at german telecom univiersities where flooded with equipment for hundreds of millions of cash [12:29] techrights-bot/fn "Terra Nil is an absolute gem you can play right now on itch.io free (which is now named as the Prototype) but it's also getting a total rewrite to be a full commercial game and the new Terra Nil is coming to Linux." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/return-a-wasteland-to-green-glory-in-the-upcoming-terra-nil [12:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Return a wasteland to green glory in the upcoming Terra Nil | GamingOnLinux [12:29] kingoffrance i mean, yes im sure it is bad, and im sure i am old, but its gone on a long time [12:29] *tr_guest|82549 (~4a41c89d@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [12:30] kingoffrance my favorite teacher wrote his own book. yes, he presumably got some profit. but it was cheaper for him to self-publish and require it than any other things. [12:30] kingoffrance like, cheap paper and cover. i loved that [12:30] kingoffrance this was a community college long time ago [12:30] kingoffrance somehow he got it approved [12:31] kingoffrance *cheaper for everyone [12:31] activelow ironically german telecom had sponsored me with a Solaris machine, for "free", didn't unbox that thing at least, the size of a giant cabinet [12:31] kingoffrance i dont know who "published" it, but the point was he somewhat bypassed the normal players [12:32] *tr_guest|82549 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:32] schestowitz books are overrated [12:33] schestowitz I spoke about it with a friend yesterday for hours because he had long wanted to write a book [12:33] schestowitz but to him, it's not a matter of selling it [12:33] schestowitz just writing something [12:33] schestowitz but then, what's the point perfecting it? [12:33] schestowitz structurally, grammatically [12:33] schestowitz if only few will read it [12:33] schestowitz with a phd thesis you at least get a diploma [12:33] schestowitz even if few will actually read it [12:34] activelow the last i wrote was in 2016, didn't even bother with sending this to the university anymore [12:34] *tr_guest|82549 (~4a41c89d@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [12:34] kingoffrance i wonder if phones/tablets etc. are eating into calculators [12:35] kingoffrance i mean, i would not underestaime all the things they do, just seems that would eventually be competition [12:37] *tr_guest|82549 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:37] activelow fsf too seems fully agnostic towards international telco, although my last update on what's relevant there was 2004 [12:37] activelow it isn't at least possible to download the standard for x.509 [12:39] *tr_guest|82549 (~4a41c89d@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [12:42] *tr_guest|82549 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:43] *tr_guest|82549 (~4a41c89d@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [12:46] *tr_guest|82549 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:48] *tr_guest|82549 (~4a41c89d@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [12:51] *tr_guest|82549 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:52] *tr_guest|82549 (~4a41c89d@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [12:55] *tr_guest|82549 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:56] activelow schestowitz: since you mentioned books, interesting stories can be told about former east-german publishers of scientific literatures [12:57] activelow i am still puzzled it was possible to "sell" a university library such as Leipzig University, or Prussian Academy of Sciences [12:57] *tr_guest|82549 (~4a41c89d@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [12:58] immibis why would it not be? in capitalism, everything is for sale [12:58] activelow although i didn't investigate this in detail yet, the common public opinion was "uncompetitive" to close east-german facilities (robotron), and all universities are under control of west-german bureaucrats now [12:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 34.81 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 62.81 ● Jun 17 [13:00] *tr_guest|82549 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:01] *tr_guest|82549 (~4a41c89d@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [13:04] *tr_guest|82549 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:05] *tr_guest|82549 (~4a41c89d@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [13:07] kingoffrance eh, its another PPP [13:08] *tr_guest|82549 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:09] *tr_guest|82549 (~4a41c89d@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [13:12] *tr_guest|82549 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:13] *tr_guest|82549 (~4a41c89d@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [13:16] *tr_guest|82549 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:17] immibis is west germany more bureaucratic than east germany? [13:18] *tr_guest|82549 (~4a41c89d@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [13:19] *tr_guest|82549 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [13:22] *tr_guest|82549 (~4a41c89d@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [13:24] *tr_guest|82549 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [13:24] activelow immibis: when germany "re-united" i was 9 years old. and the burecracy i know is 1) under total control of EU/western regime and 2) corrupt [13:26] activelow *bureaucracy [13:32] *sepsinn has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.2) [13:45] techrights-bot/fn #BOYBEATSWORLD is an overlooked fun and quirky rhythm action adventure | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/boy-beats-world-is-an-overlooked-fun-and-quirky-rhythm-action-adventure #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games [13:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BOY BEATS WORLD is an overlooked fun and quirky rhythm action adventure | GamingOnLinux [13:47] immibis activelow: yeah but the question is whether east germany was better [13:47] immibis wasn't it under total control of the soviet regime, and corrupt? [13:52] techrights-bot/fn Audiocasts/Shows: The Linux Link Tech Show, FLOSS Weekly, Freenode Is Now Dead http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152378 [13:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: The Linux Link Tech Show, FLOSS Weekly, 'Freenode Is Now Dead' | Tux Machines [13:53] techrights-bot/fn #Games : Godot Engine, Terra Nil, BOY BEATS WORLD http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152379 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Godot Engine, Terra Nil, BOY BEATS WORLD | Tux Machines [13:54] gustaf immibis: "total control" is questionable [13:56] techrights-bot/fn #Microsoft #propaganda firm, #bribery instrument, and a source of entryism and #infiltration operations (also inside LF https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/06/investigative-reports/edelman-pr-and-the-manufacturing-of-trust/ #edelman [13:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Edelman PR and the Manufacturing of Trust - unlimitedhangout.com ● Jun 17 [14:00] gustaf "corrupt", eh. the historian Norman Davies describes the Communist regimes as "bandit governments", i.e. they were above the law . But I'm pretty sure formal bribery was not condoned in the DDR [14:01] techrights-bot/fn Opponents of European software patents are clearly being mischaracterised by EPO officials, who also use meaningless buzzwords to promote such patents; as an aside or footnote that relates to our ongoing series were making this quick video, which is days late http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/swpats-epo-officials/ #Techrights #EPO [14:01] techrights-bot/fn #patents #swpats #europe | Gemini [14:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Response to Misinformation From EPO Officials | Techrights [14:03] techrights-bot/fn The laughable state of the EPOs EBA (or EBoA) is rarely commented on anymore, not even in so-called IP blogs; maybe theyre just so eager to see #patents on everything, even European #softwarepatents http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/meme-the-enlarged-bored-people-with-presidential-decrees/ #Techrights #FreeSW | Gemini [14:03] techrights-bot/fn address: gemini://gemini.techrights.or [14:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] The Enlarged Bored People With Presidential Decrees | Techrights [14:07] activelow immibis: what is presented as history and common sense is falsified most often anyway [14:08] activelow maybe, one important fact, east and west always cooperated, long before "re-unification", to name one example which are the oil and gas pipelines whose construction began in 1970s iirc [14:09] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@usd2bagfexha4.irc) has joined #techrights [14:09] activelow insofar it is difficult to say which was supposedly better than the other, in any case alot has changed after 1990 [14:13] techrights-bot/fn Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152380 [14:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [14:13] techrights-bot/fn Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152381 [14:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [14:15] techrights-bot/fn JingPad A1 Linux Tablet Sets to Begin Crowdfunding Campaign http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152315#comment-29971 [14:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Crowdfunding for the JingPad A1 Linux tablet begins | Tux Machines [14:15] DaemonFC Almost everyone I know works for Amazon, for a few months, at some point. [14:16] DaemonFC You might get hired there, but they have policies in place to make sure that most of their employees last a few years, tops. [14:16] activelow immibis: both west AND east can be considered apartheid regimes, to oppress some specific groups of people and keep them on low salary [14:16] activelow and this tradition continued without interruption [14:17] DaemonFC Bezos basically bragged that they don't create long term employment opportunities because he feels "people get lazier over time". [14:17] activelow the biggest German Amazon transport hub is located in east germany, Leipzig [14:17] DaemonFC Logically though, they should blow through nearly their entire potential workforce and then have to rehire people they fired. [14:17] immibis east germany predates amazon [14:18] techrights-bot/fn Stories from the amazing world of release-monitoring.org #11 https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/stories-from-the-amazing-world-of-release-monitoring-org-11/ #communityfedoraproject [14:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | Stories from the amazing world of release-monitoring.org #11 Fedora Community Blog [14:18] immibis it was gone before amazon was there [14:18] immibis i don't think we can say east germany influenced amazon [14:18] activelow yes, and until today ~95% of cash is circulating in the western regions, although east germany is 20% of the population [14:19] immibis https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/ngbido/online_rpg_the_story_of_how_hoarded_wealth_almost/ [14:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | [On-line RPG] The story of how hoarded wealth almost sunk an economy : HobbyDrama [14:19] activelow amazon was welcomed even as an investor, in a region which was leading in science and engineering for hundreds of years, and then reclassified as "low wage region" [14:22] immibis this reddit post describes the modern economy [14:23] techrights-bot/fn #elementaryOS 6 Beta 2 is the First Step... http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152356#comment-29972 [14:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | elementary OS 6 Beta 2 Polishes the Installer UI, Adds More Flatpak Apps | Tux Machines [14:24] DaemonFC amazon was welcomed even as an investor, in a region which was leading in science and engineering for hundreds of years, and then reclassified as "low wage region" [14:24] DaemonFC That pretty much describes what America turned into. [14:25] DaemonFC A leading innovator in science and industry for many years, and now it's just fat people buying shit at Walmart and Amazon. [14:25] immibis buying on its own isn't bad, buying is the whole point of the economy. The problem is the lack of innovation and that it's *just* buying [14:26] DaemonFC Not even anything they need, usually. Just thousands down the toilet putting three TVs and half a pallot of water in their cart. [14:26] immibis ... except innovation is happening, it's just that the average joe isn't involved [14:26] immibis america still has all the biggest tech companies [14:26] immibis it just doesn't trickle down [14:26] DaemonFC I literally saw someone put three TVs in a cart and then fill another one with bottled water the other day. [14:26] immibis DaemonFC: After people are fed, letting people have more TVs is basically the point of the economy [14:26] DaemonFC I said, "Wow, we got ourselves a convoy!". [14:27] DaemonFC DaemonFC: After people are fed, letting people have more TVs is basically the point of the economy [14:27] DaemonFC I don't see the point. I mean, it's a screen with HDMI cables. [14:27] techrights-bot/fn #Cutelyst 3 is out! - Danttis Blog https://dantti.wordpress.com/2021/06/17/cutelyst-3-is-out/ #dantti | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest [14:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dantti.wordpress.com | Cutelyst 3 is out! Dantti's Blog [14:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [14:27] immibis you don't need to quote what I literally just said [14:27] DaemonFC How many years have those existed. [14:27] immibis DaemonFC: What is the purpose of an economy? [14:27] DaemonFC You'd think everyone would own one by now. [14:27] DaemonFC How are they still selling so many? [14:28] immibis if everyone has one, but the TV factories are still there, people can get more than one. You've surely seen a video wall at some point [14:28] immibis that is more beneficial than shutting down the TV factories [14:28] DaemonFC The TV set isn't really all that innovative anymore. [14:28] immibis also poorer people can get better TVs. I'm sure we've all seen *that* progression over the last 20 years [14:28] DaemonFC I remember when there was some new invention every few years. My dad even had a few patents on them. [14:29] immibis What kind of inventions are you talking about? [14:29] immibis did your dad invent the TV? [14:29] DaemonFC It pretty much stopped with 4K, which is not even that much of a useful improvement. [14:29] activelow apropos Television, which is the realm of Telco protocols too, it is no coincidence DVB-T2 receivers are effectively non-free [14:29] DaemonFC did your dad invent the TV? [14:29] DaemonFC CRT components that resulted in higher picture quality. [14:29] DaemonFC Nobody uses CRT televisions anymore, really. [14:30] DaemonFC They put them out at the curb and that was that. [14:30] DaemonFC The tube burns out eventually after a long time. [14:30] immibis DaemonFC: those inventions still happen. Today's TVs are "better" than 10 years ago. Mostly in resolution, also in dumb proprietary features that most people still think make the picture look better [14:30] DaemonFC It usually starts doing weird things first though. [14:30] activelow analog-TV is dead, with which i could have watched Euro soccer, and DVB-T2 forces me to use a separate non-free TV-box [14:31] immibis DaemonFC: but even if they are not, that just means they're happening in other fields. Today's inventions are all fintech, working out how to extract the most money from the masses [14:31] DaemonFC The "smart" features that are baked into TV firmware stop getting updates and then they become too slow to use and finally get locked out of the apps entirely. [14:31] activelow and guess who is head of this? Korean Telecom Mr. Lee "IPTV" expert installed at ITU-T [14:31] DaemonFC Or the company that made the app doesn't exist. [14:31] DaemonFC So you need to plug something else into the TV to keep using it. [14:31] immibis DaemonFC: so you're saying people are inventing ways to get more money [14:31] immibis almost like capitalism is a failure because it requires this [14:32] DaemonFC It really makes little sense to buy a TV where the apps are a feature that add a significant amount of money if you're just going to have to plug a dongle into it anyway soon. [14:33] immibis DaemonFC: you can't deny the apps are still an innovation. Every innovation starts off imperfect. (this one will stay imperfect forever because it's more profitable) [14:33] DaemonFC They're not really an innovation. At least not a good one. [14:33] DaemonFC The $150 a month bundle o' crap is back. [14:33] activelow i would rather prefer crypto-dongles were required, yet in germany they decided "public tv must remain 'free'" [14:33] DaemonFC They finally figured out what to do about people canceling cable. [14:33] activelow otherwise they couldn't enforce taxpayers money being paid for this type of "freedom" [14:34] DaemonFC "We steal your money, decide what to spend it on, make a big government program that doesn't work very well.....it's free btw. You're welcome." [14:34] DaemonFC MinceR, ^ [14:35] DaemonFC Then when someone figures out how to turn it into a service that's legal, the courts figure out ways to ignore the law to make it illegal again. [14:36] DaemonFC There was a company that was streaming things they picked up OTA using regular antennas. [14:36] techrights-bot/fn #Security and #ProprietarySoftware Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152384 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security and Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux Machines [14:36] DaemonFC The FCC regulations have always allowed recording things that come in OTA without encryption. [14:36] techrights-bot/fn #Security and #ProprietarySoftware Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152384 [14:36] DaemonFC The courts decided that it was piracy because that's what people with money asked them to rule. [14:37] immibis DaemonFC: this is innovation. If it makes more money it must be innovative. Capitalism rewards innovation, remember? [14:38] immibis that's what the capitalists keep telling me [14:38] techrights-bot/fn #WordPerfect and #LibreOffice /Document Foundation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152383 [14:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | WordPerfect and LibreOffice/Document Foundation | Tux Machines [14:38] techrights-bot/fn #IBM / #RedHat / #Fedora Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152382 #GNU #Linux [14:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines [14:38] activelow ironically in east-germany the western TV and radio were "forbidden", yet all east germans could easily receive BBC radio and radio moscow, meanwhile today DAB radio in germany doesn't broadcast BBC or radio moscow anymore, or radio vatican [14:39] activelow it is ridiculous [14:42] DaemonFC DaemonFC: this is innovation. If it makes more money it must be innovative. Capitalism rewards innovation, remember? [14:43] DaemonFC It rewards tricky advertisers more than anyone. [14:43] DaemonFC I've been contemplating lately how much Americans spend on medicine and how little it actually improves their lives in turn. [14:44] DaemonFC Other than perhaps managing some basic health conditions with medicine that has been available for so long it's generic, they don't do much good for the money spent. [14:45] DaemonFC New drug inventions do little or nothing. They cost a lot of money. A third of the FDA science panel resigned over one Alzheimer's drug after the FDA approved it anyway after their science panel voted 10-1 against recommending it. So much for "listen to the science". [14:46] DaemonFC Why would they even have a science panel if they're going to ignore the scientists and do whatever they want anyway? Is it because there's "scientists" who are more willing to compromise their ethics to appoint to the board after they leave? [14:47] immibis DaemonFC: the only solution is to reinvent the economy, unfortunately [14:48] immibis money no longer corresponds to value, and it needs to [14:51] techrights-bot/fn #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152385 [14:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [14:51] techrights-bot/fn Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152386 [14:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [14:51] techrights-bot/fn Links 17/6/2021: #Cutelyst 3 and #Lenovo Move Towards #ThinkPad BIOS Configuration From Within Linux http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/cutelyst-3/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/17/cutelyst-3/ [14:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 17/6/2021: Cutelyst 3 and Lenovo Move Towards ThinkPad BIOS Configuration From Within Linux | Techrights [14:52] activelow *** Curevac germany reports their vaccine's effectiveness is below 47%, insufficient for approval *** -> trust them [14:55] DaemonFC money no longer corresponds to value, and it needs to [14:55] DaemonFC We just get punished with inflation. [14:56] DaemonFC With Biden and the Democrats wasting money and causing inflation, our rent is set to go up another $45 a month when we sign our next lease. [14:56] DaemonFC That's on top of gas at a 8 year high and groceries going up at the fastest pace in 20 years. [14:57] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [14:57] DaemonFC But at least people can feel good knowing that government "workers" get another paid day off because people torched their cities and looted last year over the death of a felon. [14:58] immibis lol that is not even CLOSE to the root cause [14:58] immibis also wtf [14:58] immibis inflation has been nearly zero for the last 10 years and it's broken the economy [14:58] techrights-bot/fn #gdbm @ Savannah: Version 1.20 http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=10011 #gnu #freesw [14:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-savannah.gnu.org | GNU dbm - News: Version 1.20 [Savannah] [14:58] DaemonFC Inflation is _not_ a good thing. [14:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 29.73 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 12.10 [14:59] immibis I repeat, inflation has been nearly zero for the last 10 years and it's broken the economy [14:59] DaemonFC You can't just dump inflation into an economy where wages aren't rising, the Labor Force Participation is the lowest since Carter was around, and household debt is already at an all time high and not expect a disaster. ● Jun 17 [15:00] techrights-bot/fn 2021-6: SUERF Policy Brief "How to issue a privacy-preserving central bank digital currency" published https://taler.net/en/news/2021-06.html #gnu #taler #freesw [15:00] activelow https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-germanys-curevac-vaccine-only-47-effective/a-57929473 [15:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-taler.net | GNU Taler [15:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Coronavirus: Germanys CureVac vaccine only 47% effective | News | DW | 16.06.2021 [15:00] DaemonFC WGN managed to report that initial unemployment claims are back up quite a lot this past week. [15:00] immibis "you can't just dump liquids into a person whose cells are starving for water, whose blood volume is shrinking, and whose organs are starting to shut down" [15:01] DaemonFC That indicates that despite hiring signs posted everywhere, there's a lot of businesses laying people off, because things have gotten so screwed up that we're dealing with bizarre supply chain issues. [15:01] immibis inflation is not quite as urgent as severe dehydration though [15:01] DaemonFC They've pretty much idled new car production at several factories. [15:01] DaemonFC Toyota is probably laughing. [15:01] techrights-bot/fn #BSDNow 407: The jail Detail https://www.bsdnow.tv/407 #bsd #unix [15:01] immibis DaemonFC: the fundamental issue is hoarding and accumulation, today's wealth is based on yesterday's wealth rather than yesterday's productivity [15:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bsdnow.tv | BSD Now 407: The jail Detail [15:01] DaemonFC They stockpiled enough of these chips that everyone else is running out of to keep their factories going for at least a few years. [15:02] immibis because chip factories are incentivized to maximize profit instead of maximizing the chips they make [15:02] immibis productivity is not rewarded [15:02] DaemonFC The Japanese companies seem to like to anticipate that supply chain issues could happen and plan for it to minimize disruption. [15:03] immibis "inflation is _not_ a good thing" *proceeds to describe the kind of fucked economy that's resulted from no inflation* [15:03] DaemonFC GM doesn't plan for anything. They haven't planned for people wanting better fuel economy even though that's been the march away from their cars and towards the imports since the 1980s. [15:03] DaemonFC Of course, when the government has to bail you out and refuses to fire the fuck-ups that have been running the place, you don't have to plan for anything. [15:04] techrights-bot/fn "I started at Canonical in September 2020, since then its been a steep learning curve (in a good way) with some exciting projects to get my teeth stuck into." https://ubuntu.com//blog/design-and-web-team-summary-4-june-2021 #gnu #linux [15:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Design and Web team summary 4 June 2021 | Ubuntu [15:04] immibis that is the only part i can kind of agree with, but instead of bailing out the fuck-ups, they should still bail out everyone downstream of the fuck-ups [15:04] DaemonFC They rushed in engines with smaller displacement sizes and sort of suped them out to be powerful enough to move the car. [15:04] immibis maybe they can buy the company [15:04] immibis DaemonFC: you're really triggered about cars, aren't you? [15:04] DaemonFC But this puts all sorts of bizarre stress on all of the wrong parts, which they also cheaped out on. [15:05] DaemonFC Moving away from cast iron and steel and aluminum, to aluminum and plastic mostly. [15:05] techrights-bot/fn Seems like the wrong way to use #ubuntu , in effect forfeiting #privacy benefits https://www.techzim.co.zw/2021/06/5-awesome-backup-services-that-support-ftp-rsync-and-scp/ [15:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techzim.co.zw | 5 awesome backup services that support FTP, Rsync and SCP - Techzim [15:05] DaemonFC Oh I absolutely hate these new designs. [15:05] DaemonFC They are not better for the environment over the lifecycle of the vehicle at all. [15:05] DaemonFC They're just less reliable. [15:06] DaemonFC Even in 2003, GM cut corners, and I wouldn't have been dealing with any engine trouble to speak of lately on this thing had mom bought a 2002 instead. [15:07] immibis idk how you can be so anti-government and pro-corporations and also be pro-environment, you realize corporations do not give a fuck about the environment, right? [15:07] techrights-bot/fn #NST 34-12743 #gnu #linux is out. #NetworkSecurityToolkit http://www.networksecuritytoolkit.org/nst/index.html [15:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networksecuritytoolkit.org | Network Security Toolkit (NST 34) [15:07] DaemonFC About 2/3rds of the trouble I've had with this engine and about 80% of the repair cost relating to the engine has been these damned plastic intake manifolds. [15:08] DaemonFC GM even managed to burn themselves kind of. [15:08] DaemonFC They went with plastic valve covers too, and then some cars ended up setting themselves on fire because of oil leaks. [15:08] DaemonFC They lost a lot of money in recall repairs and settlements. [15:08] techrights-bot/fn #KDE projects that outsource to #Microsoft #proprietarysoftware and help a malicious #monopoly https://euroquis.nl//calamares/2021/06/17/actions.html [15:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-euroquis.nl | GitHub Notification Actions | [bobulate] [15:09] DaemonFC I made sure that I listed myself on the recall settlement. The least they can do is give me $350. I wouldn't have dealt with $700 worth of repairs without all of this plastic shit. [15:09] techrights-bot/fn "Time flies and another two weeks of #YaST development have passed. As in the previous report, we have to mention we invested quite some time learning and experimenting with technologies that will shape the role of YaST in particular and Linux installers in general in the future." https://yast.opensuse.org/blog/2021-06-17/sprint-125 [15:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yast.opensuse.org | Digest of YaST Development Sprint 125 | YaST [15:09] DaemonFC So really I'm just getting half my money back over this mess. Plus they had to replace a valve cover and gasket for free on the front of the engine. [15:10] DaemonFC I actually don't think that was leaking, but they had to replace it for free so get em. [15:11] techrights-bot/fn "Sustainable" is a pretty meaningless #buzzword and no wonder #IBM #Red Hat embraces that for #marketing and #openwashing purposes https://opensource.com/open-organization/21/6/open-future-sustainable-future [15:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A more sustainable future should be a more open future | Opensource.com [15:11] *islaMao (~b9c3e8a0@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [15:12] *islaMao has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [15:12] techrights-bot/fn #AMDGPU For Linux 5.14 To Report Throttler Status, Many Fixes Sent Out - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.14-AMDGPU-Throttler #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest [15:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AMDGPU For Linux 5.14 To Report Throttler Status, Many Fixes Sent Out - Phoronix [15:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [15:13] activelow i don't understand, if a leading researcher and manufacturer of vaccines arrived at 47% how other newcomers could have achived 70% or 90% [15:14] techrights-bot/fn It's Good But Maybe Bad: #LVFS Skyrockets With More Than 100k Firmware Updates In One Day - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=LVFS-100k-Firmware-Day #Phoronix #Linux #Redhat #IBM [15:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-It's Good But Maybe Bad: LVFS Skyrockets With More Than 100k Firmware Updates In One Day - Phoronix [15:15] DaemonFC Sustainable is something every company says for things that clearly are not sustainable. [15:17] techrights-bot/fn #Picovoice offline Voice AI engine now works on #Arduino https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/06/17/picovoice-offline-voice-ai-engine-arduino/ [15:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Picovoice offline Voice AI engine now works on Arduino - CNX Software [15:18] techrights-bot/fn #Opensearch and #syslogng https://www.syslog-ng.com/community/b/blog/posts/opensearch-and-syslog-ng #freesw [15:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Opensearch and syslog-ng - Blog - syslog-ng Community - syslog-ng Community [15:19] techrights-bot/fn 7 Best Free and Open Source HTML Editors http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152387 [15:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 7 Best Free and Open Source HTML Editors | Tux Machines [15:19] techrights-bot/fn Refactor your applications to Kubernetes | https://opensource.com/article/21/6/tackle-diva-kubernetes #FreeSW #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux [15:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Refactor your applications to Kubernetes | Opensource.com [15:20] techrights-bot/fn "That same year, IBM released an updated version of the PC that sported an amazing technical achievementcolor! The new IBM 5153 color display relied on a new #IBM Color Graphics Adapter, or "CGA." And it is because of this original CGA that all DOS text inherited their colors." https://opensource.com/article/21/6/freedos-sixteen-colors [15:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why FreeDOS has 16 colors | Opensource.com [15:22] immibis DaemonFC: now you're done ranting about your car, why do you think megacorps are the right solution to unfuck the economy? [15:22] techrights-bot/fn "A while ago I promised a couple of people an article about #RakuLang roles. To be frank, it was a long time ago. The plan was to cover a number of other subjects needed to better understand a few concepts behind the role model implementation in Rakudo." https://vrurg.github.io/2021/06/16/article-on-roles [15:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-vrurg.github.io | A Long Promised Article About Roles - LFlat, The Home of Vrurg [15:24] DaemonFC Nothing has done more to prevent competition and protect these megacorporations than the government has done. [15:25] DaemonFC By ignoring its own antitrust laws, pouring endless subsidies into things that should fail, and allowing them to accumulate patents and forever copyrights, it ensures that they pretty much can't lose money. [15:25] immibis megacorps are a natural end result of capitalism [15:25] DaemonFC That's just not true. [15:25] immibis they are more profitable than small corps [15:26] DaemonFC There's never been a megacorporation that didn't exist without the government propping it up somehow. [15:26] immibis really? bush propped up microsoft? [15:26] DaemonFC Without protection from competition, people will just go elsewhere when the costs are too high and quality takes a dump. [15:26] techrights-bot/fn Kernel: LWN and Phoronix Article (Without Paywall and New, Respectively) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152388 [15:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: LWN and Phoronix Article (Without Paywall and New, Respectively) | Tux Machines [15:27] techrights-bot/fn #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152389 #Linux #TuxMachines [15:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [15:27] immibis are you opposed to copyright? [15:27] DaemonFC If the government didn't grant Comcast a protected "territory", then I would have a different ISP right now, and at a lower cost too. [15:27] immibis what happened when you tried starting your own ISP? [15:27] DaemonFC I'm lucky I didn't end up in the "territory" of one that says you can bring your own modem but we'll charge you a device rental fee anyway so don't bother. [15:28] DaemonFC The FCC never did anything about that, afaik. [15:28] immibis what happened when you tried starting your own ISP? [15:28] immibis and why are you NOW complaining that the government doesn't impose itself enough on the free market? [15:28] DaemonFC Comcast has been leaning on people to just give up an dpay $14 a month to rent a cheap piece of shit, because you can't even subscribe to "unlimited data" for yet another fee without their modem. [15:29] DaemonFC Even though whose modem you use doesn't prevent them from tracking your data, obviously. [15:29] techrights-bot/fn #Fedora contemplates the driverless printing future https://lwn.net/Articles/857502/ #ibm #redhat #gnu #linux [15:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fedora contemplates the driverless printing future [LWN.net] [15:29] DaemonFC #Fedora contemplates the driverless printing future https://lwn.net/Articles/857502/ #ibm #redhat #gnu #linux [15:29] immibis your views are not consistent [15:30] DaemonFC I've had pretty much every printing problem on every OS there is. [15:30] techrights-bot/fn #GNU Projects: Coreutils, Taler, and gdbm http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152390 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [15:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU Projects: Coreutils, Taler, and gdbm | Tux Machines [15:30] DaemonFC I even tolerated an HP printer that I had to feed one sheet at a time at one point because at least I knew it had a driver. [15:33] techrights-bot/fn New: "Gemini appeals to me as someone who likes plain text and keeping things simple. It also evokes a huge nostalgia for the days of gopher, bbs and slow packet radio links." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006709.html [15:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | a space case for transparent gemtext compression [15:33] immibis what happened when you tried to make an open hardware printer? [15:35] activelow the old epson style matrix-plotters are best supported, echo "hello world" >/dev/lp0, and ancient Unix print spooling is supported with lprng with some minimal config tweak [15:35] techrights-bot/fn #Ubuntu Podcast from the #UK LoCo: S14E15 Tanks Crash Clash https://ubuntupodcast.org/2021/06/17/s14e15-tanks-crash-clash/ #gnu #linux [15:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntupodcast.org | S14E15 Tanks Crash Clash | Ubuntu Podcast [15:37] activelow didn't test bitmap plotting yet (which requires a special epson bitmap format), but it is possible too and documented, to plot some diagrams and such for scientific work etc. [15:40] techrights-bot/fn #Microsoft loves Linux so much that packages.microsoft.com has fallen and cant get up http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152391 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [15:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft loves Linux so much that packages.microsoft.com has fallen and can't get up | Tux Machines [15:42] trttl/fn sorry to interrupt.. what is the port for irc.techrights.org? [15:43] techrights-bot/fn "I recently discovered the command line utility croc, which the author claims is a way to easily and securely transfer stuff from one computer to another." https://fitzcarraldoblog.wordpress.com/2021/06/17/croc-another-file-transfer-method/ [15:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fitzcarraldoblog.wordpress.com | croc another file transfer method | Fitzcarraldo's Blog [15:47] hawthorn trttl/fn: i'm connecting to irc.techrights.org via 6667 [15:47] techrights-bot/fn #KDEneon 20210617 https://neon.kde.org/ #kde #gnu #linux [15:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-neon.kde.org | KDE neon [15:48] trttl/fn thanks hawthorn. no ssl available? [15:50] DaemonFC Is there an actual reason to install Microsoft OpenJDK when your distribution has one as well? [15:52] techrights-bot/fn "Remember when people used cloud computing because it was cheaper?" It was not cheaper, it was a media lie and propaganda under the #clownComputing banner to get people entrapped by #surveillance giants that oppress people, businesses, governments https://increment.com/containers/primer-on-containerization/ [15:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A primer on containers Increment [15:53] techrights-bot/fn Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152392 [15:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [15:56] hawthorn trttl/fn: i'm not sure if ssl is available or not [15:56] techrights-bot/fn The #www has becoming more of a joke than it already is. What next will be lumped into it? #monopolies turned it into their #proprietarySoftware and #drm API https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Web-Audio-API-Official [15:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-W3C Promotes Web Audio API To Official Standard - Phoronix [15:56] hawthorn you'd have to ask schestowitz [15:57] techrights-bot/fn #google funded #rustlang through #mozilla and now it wants to insert this #microsoft -connected mess into #linux #kernel https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Google-Wants-Rust-In-Kernel [15:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google Wants To See Rust Code In The Linux Kernel, Contracts The Main Developer - Phoronix [15:57] gustaf I'm connected via ssl... 6697 [15:57] hawthorn cool [15:58] trttl/fn thank you that's good news. going to switch over in a minute [15:58] techrights-bot/fn This is, IMHO, a misleading headline. It mischaracterises what's happening using promotional language. https://www.cnet.com/news/google-backed-linux-project-could-make-android-chrome-os-harder-to-hack/ see http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ [15:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google-backed Linux project could make Android, Chrome OS harder to hack - CNET [15:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights [15:59] *hawthorn has quit (Quit: leaving) ● Jun 17 [16:00] *immibis has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:00] techrights-bot/fn #LibreOffice Annual Report 2020: Website, blogs and #socialcontrolmedia https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/06/17/annual-report-2020-website-blogs-and-social-media/ [16:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.documentfoundation.org | Annual Report 2020: Website, blogs and social media - The Document Foundation Blog [16:00] *hawthorn (~hawthorn@xct6ezdtuwuuq.irc) has joined #techrights [16:01] hawthorn hmm i just tried and couldn't get it working, although i'm still trying to teach myself irssi [16:01] *job has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:02] gustaf I've been a long time irssi user but frankly adding new networks/servers sucks ass [16:02] gustaf I'm slowly moving towards weechat [16:02] techrights-bot/fn Submit your ideas for #Debian and +1 those that you find important https://raphaelhertzog.com/2021/06/17/submit-your-ideas-for-debian/ #raphaelhertzog #gnu #linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest [16:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-raphaelhertzog.com | Submit your ideas for Debian and +1 those that you find important [16:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [16:02] gustaf but so far irssi is good for 80x24 screen setups [16:03] activelow gustaf: didn't have any problem with adding servers, simply write the desired config into .irssi/config and then /reload [16:04] activelow only make sure to /save /layout save and such before editing the config to /reload [16:05] activelow and /rmrecons may be required if a faulty server config remained somewhere trying to connect [16:07] techrights-bot/fn "The tool works with all modern Linux distributions under the GNU General Public License and can be downloaded here." They need to #deletegithub which is #microsoft #proprietarySoftware ATTACK on #freesw https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2021/06/16/open-source-uchecker-tool/ [16:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.helpnetsecurity.com | Open source UChecker tool detects vulnerable libraries on Linux servers - Help Net Security [16:07] gustaf my .config is a flaming garbage pile [16:07] gustaf I really should just start over from scratch [16:08] techrights-bot/fn Good to see them saying "GNU/Linux"... several times in fact https://www.boomlive.in/mediabuddhi/digital-buddhi/computerviruseshackerssurveillance-13544 [16:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.boomlive.in | How To Protect Your Computer From Viruses, Hackers, And Surveillance [16:11] techrights-bot/fn Stop giving data to companies that don't need that data. https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/16/papa_johns_ico_fine/ [16:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Papa don't breach: UK data watchdog fines that other pizza place 10,000 over unsolicited marketing blitz The Register [16:13] techrights-bot/fn #FTC approves $61.7m settlement with #Amazon for pocketing driver tips The Register https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/11/ftc_amazon_flex/ #theregister | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest [16:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | FTC approves $61.7m settlement with Amazon for pocketing driver tips The Register [16:13] techrights-bot/fn #BT sues supplier for 72m over exchange gear that allegedly caused wave of #ADSL outages The Register https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/11/bt_sues_tii_technologies_jack_test_blocks_72m/ #theregister | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest [16:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | BT sues supplier for 72m over exchange gear that allegedly caused wave of ADSL outages The Register [16:13] *immibis (~immibis@acad4bt9wne9w.irc) has joined #techrights [16:15] techrights-bot/fn Some people think IRC is a brand and #freenode as a brand is all one needs. Even if it's actually a community... https://sdtimes.com/open-source/open-source-is-a-community-not-a-brand/ [16:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sdtimes.com | Open source is a community, not a brand - SD Times [16:18] schestowitz shallow BS: https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-unzip-files?r=US&IR=T [16:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | How to Unzip ZIP Files on Any Device [16:19] schestowitz trttl: did you manage to get across? [16:20] schestowitz https://www.makeuseof.com/extract-tar-gz/ [16:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.makeuseof.com | How to Zip and Unzip or Extract TAR and TAR.GZ Files [16:20] schestowitz 'news' [16:21] schestowitz assembling together howtos from elsewhere... [16:22] techrights-bot/fn #ElSalvador seeing influx of Bitcoiners and Bitcoins, but some predict disaster - Stockhead https://stockhead.com.au/cryptocurrency/el-salvador-seeing-influx-of-bitcoiners-and-bitcoins-but-some-predict-disaster/ #stockhead [16:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stockhead.com.au | El Salvador seeing influx of Bitcoiners and Bitcoins, but some predict disaster - Stockhead [16:26] techrights-bot/fn This would not be a problem if those devices weren't insistent on being Internet-connected with loads of open ports and sometimes uniform passwords, too https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/iot-supply-chain-bug-millions/ [16:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infosecurity-magazine.com | IoT Supply Chain Bug Hits Millions of Cameras - Infosecurity Magazine [16:27] techrights-bot/fn " #OpenZFS founding developer Matthew Ahrens opened a PR for one of the most sought-after features in #ZFS historyRAIDz expansionlast week." https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/06/raidz-expansion-code-lands-in-openzfs-master/ [16:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | ZFS fans, rejoiceRAIDz expansion will be a thing very soon | Ars Technica [16:27] DaemonFC El Salvador is governed by some particularly dumb people. [16:27] DaemonFC Who standardizes on currency it can't control? [16:28] DaemonFC It's fine to peg something to the dollar or to the Euro. You still control the peg. [16:28] techrights-bot/fn #IBM is laying off tons of people while paying for press releases that somehow portray it as a charity looking to get people employer https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ibm-collaborates-with-30-organizations-to-re-skill--connect-the-workforce-with-real-career-opportunities-301314170.html [16:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | IBM Collaborates with 30 Organizations to Re-Skill & Connect the Workforce with Real Career Opportunities [16:28] *spazz (~spazz@urifce6zxwtdi.irc) has joined #techrights [16:32] trttl/fn schestowitz yeah i'm there. surprised that i don't have to mess with server fingerprints [16:36] DaemonFC What a country, what a world. [16:36] DaemonFC That lady who superglued her hair and ended up in the ER now has a line of hair care products. [16:36] DaemonFC Put this in your hair. I'm an expert! [16:37] DaemonFC Mom told me to stop giving myself a buzz cut because it "makes you look like a prisoner". [16:37] DaemonFC I said, "No, it makes me look like a guy with a buzz cut.". [16:37] immibis DaemonFC: didn't you just tell us how stupid it was that the government controlled the currency?? [16:37] DaemonFC I feel pretty ripped off when I have to pay $20-25 for a hair cut, so I just kept doing my own even after the COVID lockdowns went away. [16:38] DaemonFC With the cost of labor continuing to rise, it's only a matter of time before a basic men's hair cut is $30. [16:38] *tr_guest|82549 (~c6a7aeb2@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [16:38] DaemonFC DaemonFC: didn't you just tell us how stupid it was that the government controlled the currency?? [16:39] DaemonFC It's dumb to let a hostile foreign government that has backed political assasinations in your country manage your currency. [16:39] immibis DaemonFC: and in the face of inflation, why are you complaining about relative prices measured in fiat currency? If there's inflation, that means that's a bad way to measure prices [16:39] immibis it means costs aren't going up, exchange rates of stuff to money are going up [16:39] immibis but actual real costs might be the same [16:40] DaemonFC I wonder how our landlord is raising prices while the trend in the area seems to be going down. [16:41] DaemonFC Folks are bailing on Waukegan quickly, and you'd think the need for housing would decline and then the demand pull inflation would stop. I suppose we're dealing with cost push inflation that's overtaking lack of demand. [16:41] *tr_guest|82549 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:42] DaemonFC In other words, the market's gone crazy deciding whether to try to push along higher taxes and utility costs or lower the rent to keep units occupied. [16:42] *sepsinn (~sepsinn@c9nu4ummhfn7e.irc) has joined #techrights [16:42] immibis DaemonFC: well are you paying the increased prices? [16:43] DaemonFC I probably will. I don't like moving and the more desirable apartments have actually seen at least as high of an increase, percentage-wise. [16:43] immibis then you know how [16:43] DaemonFC It's the total dumps that seem to be going down. [16:44] DaemonFC Yeah, he's going along with the "I only have to beat these other guys by this percentage of what they charge.". [16:44] immibis they can increase prices because people like you are apathetic [16:44] DaemonFC So the new price is a factor of what they charge. [16:44] immibis just like megacorps [16:44] *tr_guest|82549 (~c6a7aeb2@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [16:45] techrights-bot/fn #Disinformation and #Misinformation is #socialcontrolmedia hotbed https://www.maketecheasier.com/amazon-blames-fake-reviews/ [16:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Amazon Blames Social Media for Spreading Fake Reviews - Make Tech Easier [16:45] immibis capitalists take advantage of people's irrationality [16:46] techrights-bot/fn Planet #gnome overrun by #microsoft #proprietarySoftware spam these days. Not interested, sorry. [16:47] *tr_guest|82549 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:49] *tr_guest|82549 (~c6a7aeb2@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [16:51] techrights-bot/fn Tech #outsourcing sucks. And it can be VERY expenseive. Your hardware and software are fine. Someone else's isn't. So you're f-ed. https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/akamai_prolexic_australia_outage/ [16:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | You had one job: Akamai's Prolexic Denial-of-Service protection system fingered after users in Australia denied, er, services The Register [16:51] techrights-bot/fn #Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152393 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [16:52] *tr_guest|82549 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:54] techrights-bot/fn "Tomorrow will be the release of Pepper&Carrot episode 35! Im currently working on the final details of this big episode. Here is a sneak peek into page 1." https://www.davidrevoy.com/article851/episode-35-screenshot-before-release [16:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.davidrevoy.com | Episode 35, screenshot before release - David Revoy [16:54] *tr_guest|82549 (~c6a7aeb2@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [16:54] techrights-bot/fn "The #RasPad 3 is a neat project that enables you to turn your Raspberry Pi 4 into a full tablet! In this video, I'll unbox the RasPad 3 and I'll also show you the entire assembly process. Be sure to check out my full review as well." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTXUwVZSS2Y [16:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The RasPad 3 - Unboxing and Assembly (Full review tomorrow!!!) - YouTube [16:57] *tr_guest|82549 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:57] schestowitz spazz: is that you? [16:57] techrights-bot/fn Audiocasts/Show: RasPad, Ubuntu Podcast, BSDNow http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152394 [16:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Show: RasPad, Ubuntu Podcast, BSDNow | Tux Machines [16:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 31.43 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 34.21 [16:59] *tr_guest|82549 (~c6a7aeb2@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights ● Jun 17 [17:01] techrights-bot/fn European Commission cheated Unitary Patents Impact Assessment to hide its high costs for SMEs https://ffii.org/european-commission-cheated-unified-patent-courts-impact-assessment-to-hide-the-high-costs-for-smes/ #upc #unitarypatent #epo #eu #corruption [17:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ffii.org | European Commission cheated Unitary Patents Impact Assessment to hide its high costs for SMEs | FFII [17:02] *tr_guest|82549 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:03] techrights-bot/fn #IBM / #RedHat / #Fedora Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152395 #GNU #Linux [17:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines [17:05] DaemonFC https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/editorials/ct-editorial-rent-control-chicago-illinois-gentrification-guzzardi-20210405-tnpflf743vfgleuxhvy7jj22te-story.html [17:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.chicagotribune.com | Editorial: Rent control won't fix gentrification problem - Chicago Tribune [17:05] techrights-bot/fn "An open letter in support of Richard Matthew Stallman being reinstated by the Free Software Foundation" now signed by 6,754 people. #gnu #rms #fsf #freesw #softwarefreedom [17:06] DaemonFC The mayor who can't figure out Microsoft Word is going to figure out how to make your rent "affordable". [17:07] MinceR 17 144756 < immibis> wasn't it under total control of the soviet regime, and corrupt? [17:07] MinceR duh [17:07] MinceR what wasn't, in the eastern bloc? [17:07] immibis MinceR: he was complaining about it now being under total control of the USA and corrupt [17:08] schestowitz it was so good people had to be walled IN [17:08] immibis imagine a world where politics was a different skillset from computer usage [17:08] schestowitz ah [17:08] schestowitz imagine a world where you can do politics WITHOUT tech [17:09] schestowitz a lot of things now require "mobile" and "email" [17:09] schestowitz and "web site" [17:09] schestowitz many people need to ask their kids or neighbours for help [17:09] activelow i didn't at all defend anything related to soviets [17:09] schestowitz a lot of people's "Email" is something GAFAM [17:09] schestowitz and their "phones" are also "GAFAM" [17:10] schestowitz so they in effect outsource governance of nations to private for-profit companies from another country where the military subsidises thwem [17:10] immibis using word is related to politics in the same way as cooking a nice dinner is related to politics [17:10] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/05/25/microsoft-uspto/ [17:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | USPTO Promotes Microsoft Monopoly and Proprietary Software (Updatedx2) | Techrights [17:10] techrights-bot/fn todays howos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152396 [17:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howos | Tux Machines [17:11] DaemonFC Mandy's boss wasn't happy yesterday. A bunch of his coworkers put the wrong orders in people's cars, and then the boss had to go to people's homes taking them the right orders. [17:11] DaemonFC Cost the company money because you can't take the items back and sell them again. (Groceries) [17:12] techrights-bot/fn #patents that literally kill people: How #Patent Extensions Keep Some Drug Costs High https://undark.org/2021/06/16/how-patent-extensions-keep-some-drug-costs-high/ #monopolies #greed [17:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-undark.org | How Patent Extensions Keep Some Drug Costs High [17:12] immibis DaemonFC: do you support or oppose intellectual property? [17:13] DaemonFC Since there's no legal definition of intellectual property, I can't really respond to that. [17:13] immibis ??? how is there not a legal definition of intellectual property? [17:13] DaemonFC It's a term that was cooked up to make several unrelated concepts in the law appear interconnected. [17:14] techrights-bot/fn approach [17:14] techrights-bot/fn Heli Pihlajamaa (known inside #epo as "Ms Pyjamas") is promoting illegal #swpats for the corrupt EPO https://www.cms-lawnow.com/ealerts/2021/06/epo-approach-to-examining-computer-implemented-inventions?cc_lang=en see http://techrights.org/2021/06/17/heli-pihlajamaa/ [17:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cms-lawnow.com | EPO approach to examining computer implemented inventions [17:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Virtual Injustice Part 9: Heli, the EPOs Nordic Ice-Queen | Techrights [17:14] MinceR > you realize corporations do not give a fuck about the environment, right? [17:14] MinceR pretty much nobody does [17:14] immibis so if you want to save it you should put the people in charge who do [17:15] techrights-bot/fn #marketing spam disguised as news. One person joining a firm is news? https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/people-and-business/patent-attorney-firm-hgf-opens-first-office-in-france/ #juve became a joke! http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Juve [17:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | Patent attorney firm HGF opens first office in France - JUVE Patent [17:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Juve - Techrights [17:15] immibis DaemonFC: they aren't really unrelated, they all cover the same idea, which is that you can own information [17:15] immibis that is why they are grouped together under the label [17:18] activelow "intellectual property" from germany was "transferred" twice: after 1945 when tons of documents were shipped around the globe, and again after 1990 when university publishers where sold after western bureaucrats were installed there [17:18] MinceR those people won't remain there for long when the majority doesn't want to save humanity and have a say in who's in charge [17:18] MinceR also, when the most powerful people don't want to save humanity and have a say in who's in charge [17:19] techrights-bot/fn It's a #trademark office, not "Intellectual Property Office", and it is profoundly corrupt https://www.mondaq.com/uk/trademark/1069994/european-intellectual-property-office-announces-that-its-official-eregister-is-now-live see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EUIPO #EUIPO [17:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | European Intellectual Property Office Announces That Its Official ERegister Is Now Live - Intellectual Property - European Union [17:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EUIPO - Techrights [17:21] immibis MinceR: there's a difference between the majority not wanting humanity to be the saved, and the majority wanting humanity to be saved but being too lazy to do it [17:21] schestowitz immibis: you cannot talk about those things collectively [17:22] schestowitz and even then, you are not pro or con [17:22] schestowitz it depends on breadth and scope [17:22] immibis i've met many people who are against all intellectual property on principle because it is government interference in the market [17:22] immibis and many people who are in favour of the current system because it is government protecting the market [17:22] schestowitz it's not a property [17:22] schestowitz for starters [17:22] schestowitz not legally [17:22] schestowitz and not technically [17:22] schestowitz your thoughts are not a property [17:22] schestowitz it's the wrong term [17:23] immibis well that's a bit reason people oppose the concept. Because IP *is* legally property [17:23] schestowitz it's not [17:23] immibis and people say: how can you steal thoughts or information? that makes no sense [17:23] schestowitz the US courts said it's not [17:23] MinceR immibis: there's no difference in the outcome [17:23] schestowitz it'sa franchise [17:23] schestowitz patents are [17:23] schestowitz sometimes they are not intellectual either, definitely not rights [17:23] immibis patents are property, copyright is property, trademarks are property [17:24] MinceR scientists determine goals we must meet to reduce the damage, then we collectively just watch the deadlines pass and do nothing [17:24] immibis MinceR: we didn't put people who cared in charge [17:24] schestowitz immibis: no [17:24] MinceR the majority doesn't want people who care in charge [17:24] activelow whatever term applied, authors have rights even without patents involved [17:24] schestowitz bbiab [17:24] schestowitz copyright-related restrictions [17:24] MinceR the last time we had a free election in hungary (2010) the majority wanted nazis who didn't care about our long term survival in charge [17:24] schestowitz depending on the licence and enforcement [17:25] MinceR germans have wanted christian fundamentalist nazis in charge for decades [17:25] MinceR they don't care either [17:25] techrights-bot/fn "Free Software and Open Science" marks the XVI International Congress of Scientific Research https://www.theclevelandamerican.com/free-software-and-open-science-marks-the-xvi-international-congress-of-scientific-research/ #theclevelandamerican | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/17/#latest [17:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theclevelandamerican.com | "Free Software and Open Science" marks the XVI International Congress of Scientific Research [17:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [17:26] immibis MinceR: then maybe let the germans kill themselves and then there will be less climate change [17:26] techrights-bot/fn #nytimes should just call it mass #surveillance https://www.nytimes.com/article/vaccine-passport.html it usually has little to do with #covid19 except the excuse they introduce for it: http://techrights.org/2021/06/10/lf-mass-surveillance/ [17:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | What Are The Roadblocks to a Covid Vaccine Passport? - The New York Times [17:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation is a Foundation of Mass Surveillance | Techrights [17:28] techrights-bot/fn So-called 'development' and 'advancement': drop dead, deaf people. "E3 failed its deaf and hard-of-hearing viewers today" (Engadget). Blind people are treated even worse, so we donate to them every month. Society quit caring about anything but "money" (man-made concept) and tech nihilism. [17:29] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [17:29] techrights-bot/fn If you care about #security maybe you should go back to basics and remove unnecessary complexity like #kubernetes ... https://techgenix.com/free-kubernetes-security-tools/ [17:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techgenix.com | Concerned about Kubernetes security? Check out these free tools [17:31] techrights-bot/fn STOP CALLING IT LEAK. It's a #marketing ploy. #microsoft spam interjected even into so-called "Ubuntu" sites now... https://itsubuntu.com/tpm-2-0-windows-11-error-fixed/ [17:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-TPM 2.0 Windows 11 Error Fixed | Itsubuntu.com [17:32] techrights-bot/fn Godot Engine - Tiles editor progress report #4 https://godotengine.org/article/tiles-editor-progress-4 #godotengine #deletegithub [17:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-godotengine.org | Godot Engine - Tiles editor progress report #4 [17:36] MinceR immibis: this is not limited to hungarians or germans [17:37] immibis i say take all the rightists from Europe and move them to the USA and take all the leftists from the USA and move them to Europe [17:37] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@4ejjjsb329z82.irc) has joined #techrights [17:38] techrights-bot/fn #Games : Loop Hero, Absolute Drift, and Godot Engine http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152397 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Loop Hero, Absolute Drift, and Godot Engine | Tux Machines [17:44] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (Quit: Quit) [17:45] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@4ejjjsb329z82.irc) has joined #techrights [17:45] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (Quit: Quit) [17:48] spazz schestowitz yes. hi ● Jun 17 [18:16] MinceR i say take all the authoritarians and move them to north korea [18:19] activelow authority based on competence isn't a hierarchy of oppression [18:22] activelow since it was asked, yes I still consider some of my former professers from former soviet region authorities [18:22] activelow the same doesn't hold true for Telecom business management elsewhere which closed the university [18:24] *immibis has quit (connection closed) [18:24] *immibis (~immibis@acad4bt9wne9w.irc) has joined #techrights [18:26] activelow some of them were involved with mjpeg design and implementation and articulated their concerns about patents and ownership of intellectual property [18:27] activelow and expressed concerns for example about MP3 which was invented at Fraunhofer Institute Germany, which German industry didn't manage to capitalize upon [18:28] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [18:28] AdmFubar https://www.salon.com/2021/06/17/remember-snow-days-todays-kids-get-heat-days_partner/ [18:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Remember snow days? Todays kids get heat days | Salon.com [18:31] activelow Merkel who studied in Leipzig too is known for her support in favor of patents and protection of intellectual property: [18:31] activelow https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-06/merkel-pushes-back-on-vaccine-patent-waiver-in-clash-with-biden [18:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? [18:32] immibis activelow: our current hierarchy is not based on competence, it's based on things like hereditary wealth [18:33] immibis ... imagine being "concerned" that your university didn't "capitalize on" such an important thing as MP3. It should be open. [18:33] activelow immibis: ~95% of capital (the final numbers are not settled yet) is inherited among generations in germany is WEST german [18:34] immibis activelow: and? [18:34] immibis inherited capital at all is a problem [18:34] immibis are you trying to say west germany is worse than east germany? [18:35] MinceR activelow: we weren't talking about authority based on competence, we were talking about nazis and the like :> [18:35] activelow often east-germans are defamed as "Nazis", add this to the mix of things if you so desire [18:36] immibis literally nobody defames east germans as nazis lmao [18:37] immibis I hope that is a simple mistake and not the result of brainwashing [18:38] activelow question: do you remember who first designed and implemented floating point matrix calculus with a computer? [18:46] activelow the engineer's name is Kutschbach who worked at University Dresden for Robotron, regardless of who would claim a patent nowadays for it [18:47] activelow the machine was a Robotron 300, an IBM 1401 clone according to wikipedia [18:49] schestowitz [18:27] and expressed concerns for example about MP3 which was invented at Fraunhofer Institute Germany, which German industry didn't manage to capitalize upon [18:49] schestowitz wrong. [18:49] schestowitz they contributes some patents [18:49] schestowitz by intentionally making mp3 worse [18:50] schestowitz so they can get more patents [18:50] schestowitz not the same as 'inventing' it [18:50] schestowitz there were already other codecs [18:50] schestowitz [18:31] Merkel who studied in Leipzig too is known for her support in favor of patents and protection of intellectual property: [18:51] schestowitz Merkel is an idiot about patents and moreover she supports sheer corruption by patent offices: http://techrights.org/2021/04/16/bundestagate-part-20/ [18:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPOLeaks on Misleading the Bundestag Part 20: Taking Stock | Techrights [18:51] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/04/15/bundestagate-part-19/ [18:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPOLeaks on Misleading the Bundestag Part 19: The Deafening Silence of the Media | Techrights [18:51] schestowitz it's quite a scandal how the German government has handles EPO crimes [18:52] activelow schestowitz: i didn't vote for Merkel or any party supporting the current EU agenda [18:53] activelow anyway, the Robotron 300 is remarkble piece of history, since east germans were skilled with reverse engineering of western chips to copy those, and in parallel too invented their own extensions [18:58] activelow just in case anyone would claim a patent it is good to know where specific designs originated [18:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 33.41 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 41.05 [18:59] activelow in Leipzig the National Library keeps record of all German language publications and when these appeared, and who the inventor was ● Jun 17 [19:04] activelow concerning MP3 it isn't the compression itself which is impressive, it is the mathematics and engineering involved with signal processing and sampling (A-D conversion, analog circuitry, filter designs) [19:06] activelow a designer involved with mjpeg had given a lecture once too and seemed somewhat annoyed, although i cannot remember what it was exactly [19:07] activelow along the timeline of "privatization" of German Telecom, "re-unification" in parallel to some university publishers sold [19:08] activelow now ITU-T in the hands of Korean Telecom Mr. Lee, which i am not sure yet what to think of this [19:09] activelow the best joke will probably be the prise of what was sold, be it German Telecom or Freenode [19:09] activelow another reason not to vote for Merkel and her affiliates [19:10] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:10] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:19] activelow Robotron Dresden too manufactured calculators for which schematics existed, yet we were equipped with Texas Instruments after 1990 with schematics and software remaining closed (some offshore island in the carribean last time i tried to track that) [19:22] activelow ironay again, 30 years later Bosch company now desparately had to invest in Dresden to manufacture microchips due to the supply shortage in German Automotive [19:22] activelow *irony [19:23] activelow it is their biggest investment ever made in German history they said, although i doubt money can compensate for the decades lost, since when "uncompetitive" Robotron was dismantled and publishers sold [19:24] activelow in recent years German industry boasted with pride they attached tablets to German machinery and manufacturing everywhere, "industry 4.0", lmfao [19:26] immibis many would say the mere existence of a patent office is sheer corruption [19:26] schestowitz I just did two videos about EPO [19:26] schestowitz and UPC [19:27] schestowitz it is a lot of corruption in both [19:27] schestowitz vendor capture [19:27] schestowitz not even by European companies [19:27] schestowitz thankfully more people not understand that [19:27] schestowitz *now [19:27] psydroid tablets to control mission-critical industrial equipment? [19:27] activelow it is called "panel" in the industry [19:27] AdmFubar https://www.pendrivelinux.com/recover-lost-space-on-a-usb-flash-drive/ [19:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pendrivelinux.com | Recover Lost Space on a USB Flash Drive | Pen Drive Linux [19:28] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [19:28] AdmFubar https://www.salon.com/2021/06/17/amy-coney-barrett-trumps-controversial-final-supreme-court-pick-votes-to-uphold-obamacare/ [19:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Amy Coney Barrett, Trump's controversial final Supreme Court pick, votes to uphold Obamacare | Salon.com [19:28] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [19:29] activelow psydroid: to my knowlege they too chose TCP/IP over X.25 which was common in german railway, yet remember i quit 2005 and am not involved anymore [19:30] activelow since because "uncompetitive", "unproductive", "costs" and such, "privatization" of German Telecom [19:31] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:32] schestowitz DT? [19:32] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:32] activelow Deutsche Telekom [19:33] AdmFubar https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210615/07412446992/recent-antitrust-push-is-weirdly-narrow-pretends-telecom-banking-dont-exist.shtml [19:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Recent Antitrust Push Is Weirdly Narrow, Pretends Telecom And Banking Don't Exist | Techdirt [19:35] AdmFubar https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/akamai_prolexic_australia_outage/ [19:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | You had one job: Akamai's Prolexic Denial-of-Service protection system fingered after users in Australia denied, er, services The Register [19:37] MinceR i wasn't talking about east germans as nazis [19:37] MinceR but AfD enjoys a lot of support there [19:38] activelow MinceR: AfD is misrepresented almost always, i kept record of some details concerning this [19:39] MinceR AfD to CDU/CSU is pretty much what ECR/ID is to EPP [19:39] MinceR they're all cancer [19:39] MinceR some of them are more vocal about being nazis than others [19:39] AdmFubar https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/space_force_turtle_expert/ [19:39] activelow last time they were accused of being "Nazi" was when they proposed family support for families with one partner being german and the other partner being a foreigner [19:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Space Force turtle expert uncovers $1.2m Cape Canaveral cocaine haul The Register [19:39] activelow MinceR: in public then it was argued AfD intended to exclude immigrants from family benefits [19:40] activelow which is the complete opposite of what they are planning [19:42] AdmFubar https://linux.slashdot.org/story/21/06/17/185239/google-backs-linux-project-to-make-android-chrome-os-harder-to-hack?utm_source=rss0.9mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed [19:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org | Google Backs Linux Project To Make Android, Chrome OS Harder To Hack - Slashdot [19:43] schestowitz BS headline [19:43] schestowitz I saw that [19:43] schestowitz they promote rust [19:43] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [19:43] schestowitz as if it's a "security" thing [19:43] schestowitz rather, it makes the kernel fragmented in the P/L sense [19:43] schestowitz and can be harder to maintain [19:43] activelow MinceR: often it is a problem that EU citizens work in germany or for german companies as "freelancers" and do NOT pay for social security [19:43] MinceR wouldn't be so much of a problem if we had no states [19:43] activelow MinceR: and then intend to benefit from german social security [19:44] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [19:44] schestowitz https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Google-Wants-Rust-In-Kernel [19:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google Wants To See Rust Code In The Linux Kernel, Contracts The Main Developer - Phoronix [19:44] MinceR activelow: therefore foreigners are bad? [19:44] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ [19:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights [19:45] immibis psydroid: what would you use, special ruggedized PCs? [19:45] schestowitz they mean foreigners in the racial sense [19:45] schestowitz not national sense [19:45] schestowitz so even naturalised germans can be 'foreign' [19:45] immibis writing kernel code in something with provable security seems sensible but only if people can actually do it [19:46] AdmFubar https://www.rawstory.com/antibody-cuts-deaths-for-some-severe-patients-study/ [19:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rawstory.com | Antibody drug cuts deaths for some severe COVID patients: study - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism [19:50] AdmFubar https://www.alternet.org/2021/06/abbott/ [19:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gov. Greg Abbott says power grid better than ever as Texans asked to cut back electricity use - Alternet.org [19:50] activelow MinceR: i will vote for any party which supports and executes action to quit the current EU agenda. [19:51] activelow reminder German High court ruled recently that EU itself violated EU contracts [19:51] MinceR activelow: and then what? [19:52] activelow MinceR: EU promised Germany would have a stable currency, EU promised Germany would have peace. Simple answer we had that BEFORE EU regime was in charge. [19:53] activelow and political terrorism is on the rise AFTER EU REGIME was installed [19:53] AdmFubar https://www.alternet.org/2021/06/larry-householder/ [19:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-'Racketeering, bribery and money laundering': Ohio House votes to expel Republican ex-speaker facing federal charges - Alternet.org [19:57] MinceR activelow: sounds a lot like brexit [19:58] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 33.23 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 33.23 [19:59] MinceR 1. leave EU 2. ??? 3. all our problems solved! [19:59] activelow yes MinceR, although it wasn't AfD political party which ruled EU violated contracts, it was German High Court recently [19:59] activelow and quitting with this will solve alot of problems ● Jun 17 [20:00] MinceR on its own it's unlikely to [20:00] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 32.85 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 32.73 swarm size (avg): 34.68 [20:00] activelow reestablish some national authority to enforce social security legislation, one example [20:00] MinceR and it's going to cause a lot of problems, which you'll need to know how to deal with [20:00] schestowitz just fixed a big in techrights-ipfs-bot [20:00] schestowitz *bug [20:01] schestowitz activelow: EU benefits Germany [20:01] MinceR your businesses would be forced to pay a lot extra in duties [20:01] activelow schestowitz: propaganda lie [20:01] schestowitz it always amuses me when Germans moean about EU [20:01] schestowitz *moan [20:01] MinceR and of course a lot of laws that originate in the EU will still be on the books [20:01] schestowitz with UK out Germany and France have even more control [20:02] MinceR apparently the Tory idea was "leave the EU so we can screw our citizens better" [20:02] MinceR which is obviously not the only way [20:02] schestowitz EPO undoubtedly helps Germany the most, NL second [20:02] MinceR but if you have no plan, you're going to behave like a headless chicken while businesses bleed money to the EU [20:02] activelow the frontlines in EU are complicated, including concerns of who is acting as foreign agent of US politics for example [20:02] activelow sadly this won't change anyway [20:03] schestowitz giant netsplit just not in freenode [20:03] schestowitz they're not that much more stable after changing their IRCD and starting from scratch, Ariadne [20:03] schestowitz *just now [20:04] MinceR like many other things, they did that stupidly [20:04] MinceR they could have transitioned smoothly, but no [20:04] XRevan86 Do I need to restart the bridge? [20:04] schestowitz they could have migrated the DB over [20:04] schestowitz XRevan86: no [20:04] MinceR indeed [20:04] schestowitz the bridge seems to work OK [20:04] MinceR they could have warned users in advance [20:04] schestowitz but about 20 users were split out [20:04] MinceR they could have taken servers they wanted to repurpose out of DNS and wait for the change to propagate before taking them down [20:05] MinceR also, apparently inspircd keeps telling my client about users quitting that we didn't even share a channel with [20:05] schestowitz with far fewer channels and users they could split in half, new and old [20:05] schestowitz then build the new env [20:05] schestowitz reduce ttl [20:05] AdmFubar https://hackaday.com/2021/06/17/where-are-all-the-cheap-x86-single-board-pcs/ [20:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Where Are All The Cheap X86 Single Board PCs? | Hackaday [20:06] schestowitz switch over to new one seamlessly [20:06] schestowitz AdmFubar: where are all the "cheap" gold rings [20:06] MinceR lol [20:06] schestowitz x86 is expensive crap [20:06] schestowitz and needs big batteries of PSU [20:06] schestowitz *or [20:06] schestowitz but Atom failed [20:06] schestowitz and they have no backup plan [20:07] AdmFubar he's talking retro... like 386 days [20:07] schestowitz Intel wants to swallow RISC-V now [20:07] MinceR how did atom fail? afaik netbooks were a huge success back in the day [20:07] MinceR i guess the redmond mafia didn't like them though [20:07] schestowitz atom was buried [20:07] schestowitz Vista111Edition(TM) WillFixEverything(R) [20:07] MinceR then intel replaced the working atoms with these tablet-oriented pieces of shit with 32bit UEFI designed specifically for vendor lock-in [20:08] schestowitz Intel is mostly left out of that market [20:08] schestowitz the tablets are things like qualcomm [20:08] MinceR they could have been XScale, but intel sold that too [20:08] schestowitz but the Windows 'tablets' (bricks) cost too much and don't last long before charges [20:08] schestowitz it's fun to watch.. [20:09] activelow EU ruling anti-trust against Microsoft was a scam anyway [20:09] schestowitz [20:09] [Error] Connection to server chat.freenode.net (port 6697) lost: The remote host closed the connection. [20:09] schestowitz [20:09] [Info] Trying to reconnect to chat.freenode.net (port 6697) in 10 seconds. [20:09] MinceR usian rulings against microsoft were scams too [20:09] schestowitz lovely jubbly [20:13] activelow EUPL (european public license) is a joke too, when it explicitely states an author publishing under this license did so "royalty free" [20:13] activelow a license with zero income policy, wonder who lobbied for this [20:14] psydroid Intel is a one-trick pony with x86, just like Microsoft with Windows and apparently IBM with its mainframes [20:15] MinceR and intel and ibm are so by choice [20:15] MinceR microsoft is because they couldn't set up their racket in other markets [20:15] psydroid > how did atom fail? afaik netbooks were a huge success back in the day [20:15] psydroid > i guess the redmond mafia didn't like them though [20:15] psydroid ARM tablets and phones made them redundant, netbooks with GNU/Linux were nice [20:16] MinceR i wish they did [20:16] MinceR but most ARM SoCs don't have a way to safely change OS and don't support OS developers [20:17] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:17] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:18] psydroid something like Honeycomb at a lower pricepoint is what would be nice to have as an OS developer [20:19] activelow wake me up when Texas Instruments publishes schematics, documents and source code for their TI89 [20:19] MinceR :> [20:21] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [20:22] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [20:23] activelow Motorola: defunct 2011, seems neither Google nor Lenovo can handle it, TI89 was equipped with a 68000 iirc [20:24] activelow meanwhile i enjoy the rest of my "royalty free" life in EU [20:25] activelow lmfao [20:30] activelow last time i had seen Motorola in the news was the recent political mob throwing bombs and shooting at each other, and a Motorola office building in Israel shown in the background [20:31] activelow recently German Politics were worried some german special forces troops diverted 500 rounds of ammo in total for their private shooting ranges [20:39] activelow the big picture of this 99% of warheads are stockpiled in USA and Russia (both Trumpistan), now whining germans should invest into Nato while those international actors sabotaged for decades to share the loot acquired after 1945 and after 1990 again [20:41] activelow recently it was proposed to send Turkish troops to Afghanistan, who operate (west) German Tanks, (east) German tanks were in the hands of syrians, we had seen how this ended [20:47] activelow suddenly, somehow, the patent restiction makes sense, with biological, chemical and nuclear technology involved [20:48] AdmFubar https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/06/store-drop-off-another-recycling-fail.html [20:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nakedcapitalism.com | Store Drop-Off: Another Recycling Fail | naked capitalism [20:50] AdmFubar https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/06/shale-oil-fraud-case-reveals-executives-ignore-their-own-engineers-and-mislead-investors.html [20:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nakedcapitalism.com | Shale Oil Fraud Case Reveals Executives Ignore Their Own Engineers and Mislead Investors | naked capitalism [20:54] AdmFubar https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2021/06/paul-van-oorschots-computer-security-and-the-internet.html [20:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Paul van Oorschots Computer Security and the Internet - Schneier on Security [20:56] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@qyffu23nukq9n.irc) has joined #techrights [20:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 39.28 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 26.26 swarm size (avg): 120.98 ● Jun 17 [21:00] activelow Ukraine dismantled too, didn't take long until "international investors" showed up there, Burisma London Holding [21:02] activelow the strongest supporters of Burisma seem to be "Alliance90/green" in Germany, peace-loving pacifists, pro-EU, pro Atlantic Bridge, pro Yugo-war, pro Biden, the Ukraine incident had cost thousands of lives alone [21:04] activelow most of the "eco-activist" and "pacifist" NGOs are foreign agents, prepared for with argument to act in the interest of Washington [21:06] activelow the current candidate of theirs (Alliance90/greens) to run for the seat of German Chancelor speaks German language on undergraduate level [21:08] activelow almost all of the high ranking personalities in politics, news and media are associated with "atlantik brcke" washington, simply check who is on the member list there to place your bet who will be "elected" by "democratic vote" in germany [21:12] DaemonFC_phone Okay, now the Freenode bridge in Matrix doesn't even work. [21:12] DaemonFC_phone What a mess. [21:13] DaemonFC_phone This is actually kind of funny. [21:14] XRevan86 DaemonFC_phone: See? I wanted you in advance :) [21:14] XRevan86 warned [21:15] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (connection closed) [21:16] XRevan86 Huh, no one even reported that [21:16] XRevan86 I guess everyone decided this is fate. [21:17] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@i2ug7yw84eszy.irc) has joined #techrights [21:18] gustaf https://twitter.com/ramsey/status/1405534007584985093 [21:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ramsey: @RefChatNet @matrixdotorg As of yesterday, I think Matrix was still working on setting up a bridge for the new Free https://t.co/qA92grHr82 [21:18] gustaf prolly not the highest prio [21:20] activelow EU is crucial to their plans because they control the currency with it, to acquire what isn't theirs: soil, workforce, "intellectual property" [21:20] activelow recently i had noticed "east germans" posing on tv as "we are east-german startups", while none of them spoke east-german [21:24] activelow U menja polski, lol [21:25] XRevan86 activelow: cho-cho u tebe? [21:25] activelow no moja ruski jasuik est ochen plocho, ne ponimaju, isvinite poschalsta [21:26] XRevan86 activelow: Nu dobre, jak skazhesh [21:29] XRevan86 activelow: Ale moja dumka taka: w polskoj nemaje "menja", ce suto moskovska rich [21:30] activelow didn't practice russian for 18 years :( [21:30] XRevan86 activelow: That would make it harder to read this transliterated Ukrainian I'm throwing at you :D [21:32] XRevan86 Polish has drastically different phonetics but there are more parallels with it here. [21:41] AdmFubar https://threatpost.com/google-docs-host-attack/166998/ [21:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Threat Actors Use Google Docs to Host Phishing Attacks | Threatpost [21:41] AdmFubar https://threatpost.com/cvs-health-records-billion-customers-exposed/167011/ [21:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-CVS Health Records for 1.1 Billion Customers Exposed | Threatpost [21:43] MinceR well, the people who keep banning DaemonFC probably also don't want to run a bridge to freenode [21:43] MinceR > none of them spoke east-german [21:44] MinceR what exactly is "east-german"? [21:44] XRevan86 divergent slang maybe? [21:44] XRevan86 and dialectisms [21:44] MinceR there are several states that formed east germany, with different dialects, afaik [21:44] XRevan86 MinceR: Yea. [21:45] activelow MinceR: german language is a very old language, and carries along language traits common in Netherlands, Scandinavia, and Russia/Ukraine/Poland [21:45] AdmFubar https://www.firstpost.com/tech/science/first-wooden-nanosatellite-to-launch-this-year-after-successful-stratospheric-test-9725271.html [21:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-First wooden nanosatellite to launch this year after successful stratospheric test- Technology News, Firstpost [21:46] activelow MinceR: if specific language traits are missing then it isn't east-german language where these retained [21:46] MinceR east low german, east central german, bits of others [21:47] AdmFubar https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/microsoft-appoints-ceo-satya-nadella-as-companys-chairman-of-board-of-directors-9725091.html [21:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft appoints CEO Satya Nadella as company's chairman of board of directors- Technology News, Firstpost [21:47] activelow add to this yiddish which is very common in east-germany too [21:47] MinceR and they probably have more on common with non "east-german" related dialects than with each other [21:48] activelow whatever language those supposed "east-germans" speak, it isn't mine [21:48] MinceR then there's east franconian in Eisenach, which is still in the former east [21:49] activelow furthermore german language is a highly sophisticated language, and lacking nuance with expression and grammar is a common indicator of some specific influence too [21:49] activelow i mean the "alliance90/green" candidate running for seat of german chancellor is an insult to german language [21:50] activelow in this regard Merkel wasn't convincing either, she denied her heritage having studied in Leipzig entirely [21:51] gustaf what's the history of the #boycottnovell and -social channels? [21:51] MinceR techrights started out as boycottnovell [21:51] DaemonFC Governor Pritzker said we're in a lottery for cash for having been vaccinated. [21:51] DaemonFC Well, it's nice to dream at least. [21:52] gustaf ah ok [21:52] DaemonFC Of course, if the news asks what I'm doing with the money I'll have to say moving to Texas. [21:52] MinceR lol [21:53] DaemonFC Just not part of Texas that gets its power from ERCOT. [21:53] MinceR lol [21:54] DaemonFC And I'm going to buy a truck. [21:54] DaemonFC With a V8 engine. [21:57] DaemonFC If you buy it after you're no longer an Illinois resident, you save thousands on sales tax. [21:57] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:57] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:57] AdmFubar https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/recall-dry-cat-food-fold-hill-food/ [21:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-RECALL: Nearly 2 Dozen Types of Dry Cat Food Made by Fold Hill Foods | Snopes.com [21:59] AdmFubar https://www.snopes.com/articles/349828/walmart-security-cameras-tiktok/ [21:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Walmart Security Cameras on Shelves Are 'Fake,' TikTok Videos Claim | Snopes.com ● Jun 17 [22:00] DaemonFC MinceR, I was reading an article about Greta Thunberg. It said that she made that "carbon neutral" trip from the UK to the US by way of a solar powered boat, but to do so required two people to fly to the US and back on a commercial flight who wouldn't have had to if she hadn't traveled that way. [22:00] DaemonFC Don't you love virtue signaling? [22:00] MinceR lol [22:00] AdmFubar https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/06/17/murder-hornet-found-washington/ [22:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Murder Hornet Found in Washington State | Snopes.com [22:00] MinceR maybe they bought carbon credits to offset it :> [22:01] MinceR (not like that actually fixes the problem) [22:01] DaemonFC There's been a lot of carbon credit scams. [22:01] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [22:01] DaemonFC The US doesn't really track them all that well. [22:01] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [22:02] AdmFubar Oh this sound familiar! [22:02] DaemonFC Maybe the US can just pay some country where they're living in mud huts anyway to not pollute, just as they would have anyway, and then we're neutral, and a little light on cash, but hey. [22:02] AdmFubar https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/google_chrome_conformance/ [22:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Chrome 'Conformance' for JavaScript frameworks says: If you don't follow our rules, your project won't build The Register [22:03] DaemonFC MinceR, The news reported on a Microsoft test project to run a server farm under the ocean. I couldn't help myself. [22:03] MinceR lol [22:03] DaemonFC I said, "Hey, we've all been tempted to take our Windows computer and toss it in a large body of water before.". [22:03] MinceR lol [22:04] MinceR i thought it was going to be a spongebob reference [22:04] MinceR or something about moving their upper management under the ocean to accompany it [22:04] MinceR or something about Cthulhu or R'lyeh [22:04] DaemonFC Microsoft was having its employees live in server farms to evade the COVID lockdowns. [22:04] activelow the climate debate is a scam anyway, such as the 2.5C target propagated by "greens", meanwhile temperature anomalies surpassed 10C in germany already [22:04] DaemonFC They were complaining that the temperature fluctuated between hotter than hell and the air conditioner cycling on and turning it into the north pole. [22:05] immibis activelow: scam by the pro-climate-change crowd so they can keep polluting. They have infinite energy and air conditioning, we don't [22:05] activelow the carbon tax is a scam too, CO2 increased by some dozen percent, methane concentration increased 300% [22:05] MinceR activelow: well, some regions being affected more than others isn't exactly a surprise [22:05] MinceR the target is about the global average [22:05] immibis people keep proposing targets just ahead of us, and we keep plowing through them [22:06] activelow exactly immibis, Alliance90/greens in germany is a scam, they are foreign agents acting in the interest of washington and what is lobbied there [22:06] activelow it is no coincidence Alliance90/greens too are strong supporters of Burisma London holding [22:06] immibis "maybe let's stop 1000 feet before the cliff." "lol no." "okay 900." "lol no." "okay 800." "lol no." ... "how about 30 feet?" "lol no." "20 feet?" "lol no." "10 feet." "lol no." ... 5... 4... 3... 2... 1... aaaaaand humanity's extinct [22:06] MinceR immibis: exactly [22:07] MinceR we're past the "let's avoid the catastrophe" phase, now it's the "maybe make it less severe? NO!" phase [22:07] immibis at this point, the GOOD news is humanity might not become extinct because when the economy collapses the planet will have some time to undo what we did [22:07] immibis only 95% of humans will die instead of 100 [22:07] MinceR i don't see how that's good news [22:08] MinceR as long as humanity survives, it will continue being a threat to life on this planet [22:08] immibis MinceR: the bad news is humans might become extinct, the good news is they might not [22:08] DaemonFC Well, we always have more pressing matters to attend to. [22:08] immibis will the history books say "I told you so"? [22:08] activelow none of the proposed actions will counter climate change, taxation of energy is their plans only, high taxation, to generate cash flow into their pockets, energy must be consumed to be taxed [22:08] DaemonFC Like no matter how much money you earn it seems to take 110% of it to survive. [22:08] MinceR immibis: maybe if we develop powerful enough AI to write a history book [22:08] activelow hence "greens" agitate for electric vehicles and Tesla type cars, in parallel to holding tsla stocks [22:08] immibis DaemonFC: let me guess, Biden? always a more pressing matter until there isn't. When we're 3 feet away from the cliff then it will be pressing, but we'll have too much momentum to stop. [22:09] DaemonFC I can only imagine how people with kids manage to live. [22:09] immibis activelow: taxation disincentivizes activities [22:09] immibis DaemonFC: let's abolish capitalism [22:09] MinceR DaemonFC: they hear people talking about overpopulation and become outraged [22:09] DaemonFC Isn't dealing with a crappy old car that barely works and has to go into the shop every few months bad enough? [22:09] MinceR 17 230910 < immibis> activelow: taxation disincentivizes activities [22:09] MinceR activities of poor people, that is [22:09] activelow even worse, those who had remained competitive(!) with a low energy footprint (efficiency) become uncompetitive under Alliance90/green doctrine, in favor of the types of cars sold in Washington/USA [22:09] DaemonFC Mom was telling me how tight fisted my dad was with money. They could afford a new car if he had wanted to buy one. [22:10] MinceR EU emission regulations are already counterproductive [22:10] DaemonFC But for years they had to drive every rusted out $200 piece of crap that some friend of theirs at work wanted rid of. [22:10] MinceR small, efficient cars are disappearing [22:10] DaemonFC EU emission regulations are already counterproductive [22:10] immibis MinceR: aren't rich people supposed to be the best at avoiding taxes? regardless, the 99% are probably doing the most of almost everything, just by sheer numbers... [22:10] MinceR including the Suzuki Jimny [22:10] DaemonFC Mostly because they pile on to the price of a new car. [22:10] activelow EU regulations are industry politics to harm German industry, again most pronounced agitated for by Alliance90/greens [22:10] DaemonFC Makes it more financially viable to find a beater that doesn't get the best mileage. [22:10] MinceR immibis: they can avoid taxes, but if they don't want to change their behavior, they'll just pay extra without significant impact [22:11] MinceR immibis: while you break your balls trying to stay afloat [22:11] DaemonFC You can tune an engine to get good mileage, but that comes with other costs. [22:11] activelow Merkel too is a foreign agent of USA (Atlantik Brcke), acting in the interest of Washington/USA [22:11] DaemonFC It adds to the cost of the car. It puts more pieces on the engine that break after 100,000 miles or so and need to be replaced or rebuilt. [22:12] activelow Germany already has highest energy prices in Europe, for two decades, carbon tax (eco tax, etc.) were introduced already 20 years ago [22:12] activelow the "renewable" subsidies are a money laundring scam [22:12] DaemonFC Scotty Kilmer is a mechanic, he works on all kinds of cars. [22:12] DaemonFC He says don't buy a Kia if you want it to last a while. [22:13] DaemonFC He says he almost never sees them with any kind of mileage on the odometer in decent shape. [22:13] AdmFubar scotty hyperventilates a lot.. or need less caffeine in his diet [22:13] DaemonFC He showed one that had 68,000 miles on it and the shocks were already gone. [22:13] DaemonFC Mine had 5,000 miles on it and the air conditioner already failed and had to be worked on under warranty. [22:14] MinceR Scotty Kilmer likes to title his videos with things he hardly talks about in them, most of the video is about something else [22:14] DaemonFC The paint is so cheap that it all scratches right off the minute you drive off with it and you'll have rust on a 5 year old car. [22:14] MinceR it's annoying [22:14] DaemonFC "Modern" is just a code word for junk. [22:14] DaemonFC Cheap junk. [22:15] immibis activelow: do german people use less energy as a result? [22:15] DaemonFC They realize that Americans are too cheap to pay for anything good, so they come up with a $18,000 car that's not gonna last long. [22:15] activelow immibis: NO [22:15] immibis activelow: so prices do not incentivize behaviour? [22:15] MinceR not always [22:15] DaemonFC There was one car that was liek $12,000 and I heard that the engine, brand new, sounds like a washing machine with a bucket of bolts banging around in it. [22:16] DaemonFC Forget who makes it. So you do get things like this under Capitalism. [22:16] activelow immibis: they do, those who had remained competitive with a low energy footprint became uncompetitive due to taxation [22:16] DaemonFC You get all kinds of junk under Capitalism. Most of it is junk. [22:16] DaemonFC It doesn't save you from inferior quality. It tries to figure out ways to market inferior quality as a lifestyle accessory. [22:17] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:17] activelow it is no coincidence either the eco-activist narrative (scam) is paralleled with extreme anti-german sentiment (Nazi accusations etc.) [22:17] activelow together with their "intersectional identity" quackery [22:20] *MathAmphetamine (~coderain@tkde5rka4dm5c.irc) has joined #techrights [22:21] AdmFubar https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/johnny_ryan_lawsuit_adtech/ [22:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Ex-Brave staffer launches GDPR sueball in Germany over tech giants' real-time bidding for ad inventory The Register [22:23] AdmFubar https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/17/roger_waters_says_zuck_off/ [22:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Roger Waters tells Facebook CEO to Zuck off after 'huge' song rights request The Register [22:23] AdmFubar https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210610/12460246968/canadian-privacy-commissioner-says-rcmp-broke-law-doing-business-with-clearview.shtml [22:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Canadian Privacy Commissioner Says RCMP Broke The Law By Doing Business With Clearview | Techdirt [22:26] activelow https://www.dw.com/en/germany-disbands-stasi-records-agency-but-saves-files/a-57941839 [22:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Germany disbands Stasi records agency but saves files | News | DW | 17.06.2021 [22:27] *Ariadne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:29] AdmFubar dinner time... laters all [22:29] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has left #techrights [22:30] immibis activelow: wouldn't it make them more competitive because their prices rose less than their competitors' prices? [22:31] immibis and, if done right, such a tax should offset the other taxes people pay, so that people have more money to afford those prices [22:31] immibis activelow: do you seriously link Nazi identity with German identity? wtf [22:31] immibis show me a German who identifies as a Nazi [22:34] activelow so far german car manufacturers didn't suffer, many cars are neither produced nor sold domestically, energy production sector suffered (nuclear, coal, imports) [22:34] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [22:34] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has left #techrights [22:34] *Ariadne (~ariadne@an2qck9629hug.irc) has joined #techrights [22:34] activelow furthermore the entire energy agenda is a scam, it is difficult to argue rationally since most of the data publicly presented is falsified [22:35] activelow immibis: long story short renewable subsudies summed up to 2Billion (US Trillion) with an effective market share of renewables close to ~1% [22:35] activelow *subsidies [22:36] immibis the point of the subsidies is to increase that number, no? [22:36] activelow if subsidies are either increased or decreased is completely agnostic towards climate change concerns [22:37] activelow since these are a money laundring and cash grabbing scam, besides supporting interests (Anti-german industry politics in EU, pro-Washington politics by foreign agents posing as NGO eco activist etc) [22:39] activelow furthermore what was supposed to be a Nazi lacks definition, since this movement was rooted in the "German Workers(!) Party" -> and AfD gained most support among workers, craftsmen etc. doesn't mean they are "Nazi" [22:48] XRevan86 https://twitter.com/plainoldchair/status/1405492547087224832 the terrorist-free network [22:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@plainoldchair: @VeryLoudMC @freenodestaff he actually banned someone for "terrorism" like yesterday. < ashmandias> king rasengan https://t.co/tPtAe93KtB [22:50] MathAmphetamine XRevan86: that was obvious trolling and it was only a channel ban [22:50] XRevan86 MathAmphetamine: Can he please not troll? [22:50] *MathAmphetamine is now known as CrystalMath [22:51] CrystalMath ashmandias was the troll i mean [22:53] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Definitely disgruntled. Not the focus though. [22:53] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@bfk38rfbykmgc.irc) has joined #techrights [22:53] CrystalMath i did describe the stuff that libera did to freenode as "terrorism" and that is exactly what it looks like to me [22:53] CrystalMath they couldn't just leave us alone and start their own network [22:55] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:55] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:56] *alextee has quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:57] XRevan86 ashmandias is affiliated somehow? [22:57] CrystalMath no clue [22:57] immibis activelow: what would it take for them to not be those things? [22:57] CrystalMath i just think that libera staff are "online terrorists" whatever that means [22:57] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Asking questions, even in a disrespective manner, is not exactly "terrorism", even with the quotes. [22:58] immibis CrystalMath: you don't know what it means, but you think they are it. That's basically brainwashed sheeple behaviour [22:58] CrystalMath immibis: well like i feel like they terrorized people [22:58] immibis then you must know what that means [22:58] CrystalMath they controlled something that didn't belong to them [22:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 39.61 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 39.35 swarm size (avg): 166.49 [22:59] CrystalMath although if you say they're terrorists, people may get the idea that they used weapons and stuff, they didn't of course [22:59] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Ye can go for "extremists", like Navalny [22:59] gustaf bandits [22:59] gustaf hooligans [22:59] gustaf wreckers [22:59] gustaf luddites [22:59] XRevan86 "luddites" is a weird one [22:59] CrystalMath libera staff didn't wreck thigns [22:59] CrystalMath *things ● Jun 17 [23:00] XRevan86 rasengan did, right. [23:00] CrystalMath they just wanted their SJW control and cancel culture to run freenode [23:00] CrystalMath i say a network is better wrecked than controlled this way [23:01] activelow immibis: you mean not to be defamed and insulted? [23:02] immibis activelow: no, to not be a money laundering scheme or cash grab. What would it take to actually subsidize renewables? [23:02] gustaf CrystalMath: so the network had to be destroyed to save it? [23:02] CrystalMath gustaf: i don't know [23:02] immibis CrystalMath: controlling something that doesn't belong to you makes you a terrorist? [23:02] CrystalMath immibis: it depends on how you do it [23:02] immibis CrystalMath: so for example, if i write some module for my employer, i'm a terrorist? [23:02] CrystalMath if you do it with threats and intimidation [23:03] CrystalMath like the libera staff did [23:03] CrystalMath imagine an employee at work saying "we must use this software stack, or else i will leave after change your passwords and wrecking your system to cause you huge losses" [23:03] XRevan86 , . [23:03] CrystalMath *changing [23:04] gustaf they said Freenode was under the control of someoen with bad intentions [23:04] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Who changed the passwords? [23:04] gustaf and here we are, 3 weeks later, with services deleted and usrecount halved [23:04] CrystalMath XRevan86: it's just an example [23:04] activelow i don't know immibis, renewables are subsidized excessively already with absolutely marginal benefit; even worse. "renewables" itself is a scam (palm oil, solar batteries, electric tesla type vehicles etc. none of this is worth subsidies at all) [23:04] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [23:05] MinceR digital murder, the language of machines [23:05] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [23:05] immibis gustaf: clearly the only bad intentions were in the ones doing the calling out. clearly. [23:05] immibis activelow: what about, for example, solar concentration plants? [23:06] gustaf CrystalMath: ya know, I thought all the warnings were overblown [23:06] gustaf "how bad can it be" [23:06] gustaf surely a grown-up won't wreck something he had paid a lot of money for [23:06] gustaf little did I know [23:06] CrystalMath well basically freenode was shut down, and now there's a new freenode [23:07] XRevan86 gustaf: Clearly it's the fault of those people that warned that this can happen. [23:07] CrystalMath it is painful, because that's a place i was at for 13 years [23:07] gustaf if only they had been silent, even more communities could have been destroyed more efficiently [23:07] CrystalMath XRevan86: i don't think they saw the shutdown coming [23:07] gustaf no-one did [23:07] XRevan86 CrystalMath: They definitely warned about that this is a wild card. [23:07] gustaf CrystalMath: you *can't* spin the shutdown as rational [23:08] gustaf it's clearly not [23:08] CrystalMath it can be rational based on things that i don't know [23:08] gustaf that's conspiracy theory thinking, but ok [23:08] gustaf or you can accept that Lee isn't entirely rational [23:08] gustaf or he's VERY impulsive [23:09] activelow immibis: worth it being researched, potentially dangerous. german aerospace became involved with it to fuel salt reactors. [23:09] gustaf anyway, what's done is done [23:09] gustaf it's clean slate now [23:09] gustaf both networks have roughly hte same number of usres [23:09] gustaf it's a grand expermiment [23:09] gustaf (and prolly off-topic for this #) [23:09] immibis activelow: you don't think it's production-ready? there are plants in operation [23:09] gustaf ok gotta hit the sack [23:10] immibis activelow: and maybe the government could pay to build more of them instead of coal plants [23:11] activelow i had not seen any recent research papers which had presented any data for solar concentration plants to fuel salt reactions. [23:11] XRevan86 gustaf: Not roughly, Libera is considerably bigger. [23:12] activelow the data i had studied about solar panels and wind turbines installed in germany indicates horrendous disaster. [23:12] gustaf XRevan86: ok [23:15] XRevan86 gustaf: If we take the right-now numbers, Libera is 1.5 the size of freenode [23:19] CrystalMath well it's always sad, but sometimes networks shut down [23:19] XRevan86 I think that in the long term freenode is going to settle on being the third largest network. [23:19] CrystalMath StarChat shut down and wasn't replaced by anything [23:20] CrystalMath though that wasn't such a great network :P [23:20] CrystalMath people were still sad [23:20] CrystalMath for StarChat [23:20] XRevan86 CrystalMath: freenode didn't die a natural death [23:21] XRevan86 But it had a big bit of control in a third party, and that third party finally took action. [23:21] immibis activelow: salt reactions, what? they're big fields of mirrors that reflect sunlight onto a central tower [23:21] immibis salt reactions are not involved. salt can be used as a heat transfer medium though [23:21] immibis libera is freenode like mariadb is mysql [23:21] immibis and libreoffice is openoffice [23:22] XRevan86 and nextcloud is owncloud [23:23] psydroid I guess everything is fine now with libera being the main successor to the old freenode with a different name [23:23] psydroid and new freenode being a new network [23:24] XRevan86 psydroid: Some of the slower people still need to figure out their place in all this. [23:24] activelow yes immibis, and specific salts are utilized to store energy chemically, which is an interesting field of research related to radio-chemistry too, uhum [23:24] activelow not my field of expertise though [23:24] immibis activelow: maybe. I think for now it would still be a big improvement if we could generate solar power during the day [23:25] activelow solar panels are not the issue alone: it is the batteries and power regulation [23:26] immibis I think for now it would still be a big improvement if we could generate solar power during the day [23:26] activelow which too requires batteries and power regulation [23:27] activelow currently the solar power is dumped into the grid as useless volatility [23:28] activelow i huge improvement would be if computation centers didn't require active cooling [23:31] activelow and even then the contribution to savings would remain marginal, since electricity is only ~20% of total energy requirements