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| cubexyz | XRevan86, the hidden complexity is partly in the firmware which few understand | Sep 17 01:23 |
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| cubexyz | still learning about intel's hidden OS | Sep 17 01:27 |
| cubexyz | it started with the GM45 chipset | Sep 17 01:29 |
| cubexyz | initially removeable | Sep 17 01:29 |
| cubexyz | nowadays it's integrated into the northbridge | Sep 17 01:32 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128204 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a962378e-0331-499f-8b0e-d46ac909762c] | Sep 17 03:18 | |
| schestowitz | kaniini: any proof FSF phases RMS out? | Sep 17 03:18 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128205 [https://pleroma.site/objects/37b0abbe-d913-44cb-8c19-3818a3e8f75d] | Sep 17 03:21 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Software: Zotero, PulseCaster and Qt Port of SFXR http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128206 [https://pleroma.site/objects/527ceda9-6b99-421c-b62a-800c0ce1cbaf] | Sep 17 03:29 | |
| schestowitz | Richard M. Stallman has resigned as FSF president and from the board of directors https://www.fsf.org/news/richard-m-stallman-resigns | Sep 17 03:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Richard M. Stallman resigns — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software | Sep 17 03:30 | |
| schestowitz | kaniini: ^^ | Sep 17 03:30 |
| schestowitz | wow | Sep 17 03:30 |
| schestowitz | techrights will write about it IMMEDIATELY | Sep 17 03:33 |
| schestowitz | I am working on a post | Sep 17 03:33 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16005101#74c4b9f0bb2101378f23002590d8e506 | Sep 17 03:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fsf@framasphere.org: Richard M. Stallman has resigned as FSF president and from the board of directors https://www.fsf.org/news/richard-m-stallman-resigns | Sep 17 03:33 | |
| schestowitz | "BAD." | Sep 17 03:33 |
| scientes | holy money | Sep 17 03:34 |
| scientes | what happened? | Sep 17 03:35 |
| schestowitz | A year after they made Torvalds 'take a break' Stallman steps down (coinciding with lots of negative media coverage) | Sep 17 03:35 |
| scientes | yeah | Sep 17 03:35 |
| scientes | " | Sep 17 03:35 |
| scientes | The board will be conducting a search for a new president, beg"inning immediately. | Sep 17 03:35 |
| scientes | what did they do? Put a gun to his back? | Sep 17 03:36 |
| aindilis | well that's really too bad | Sep 17 03:36 |
| scientes | https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#16_September_2019_(Resignation) | Sep 17 03:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2019: July - October Political Notes - Richard Stallman | Sep 17 03:37 | |
| scientes | I am resigning effective immediately from my position in CSAIL at MIT. I am doing this due to pressure on MIT and me over a series of misunderstandings and mischaracterizations. | Sep 17 03:37 |
| scientes | no comment about FSF there | Sep 17 03:39 |
| schestowitz | thanks for the link | Sep 17 03:44 |
| schestowitz | https://www.fsf.org/news/richard-m-stallman-resigns | Sep 17 03:44 |
| scientes | that he resigns from both on the same day.... | Sep 17 03:44 |
| scientes | uggggh | Sep 17 03:46 |
| scientes | the libel against his is just unreadable | Sep 17 03:46 |
| scientes | it is so bad | Sep 17 03:46 |
| scientes | ok this article on it isn't as bad https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/mbm74x/computer-scientist-richard-stallman-resigns-from-mit-over-epstein-comments | Sep 17 03:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Computer Scientist Richard Stallman Resigns From MIT Over Epstein Comments - VICE | Sep 17 03:51 | |
| scientes | The US (and news in English) is a crazy place these days | Sep 17 03:51 |
| scientes | who gives a shit about what he said | Sep 17 03:51 |
| scientes | I'm sick and tired of this non-sense | Sep 17 03:51 |
| scientes | like who cares if the President of the US has 10 wives | Sep 17 03:52 |
| scientes | I really don't give a shit | Sep 17 03:52 |
| scientes | like MIT took down all the great videos by Walter Lippmann because of similar non-sense | Sep 17 03:53 |
| scientes | those physics videos were great | Sep 17 03:53 |
| scientes | and I really don't give a shit that what he did on his personal time | Sep 17 03:53 |
| scientes | they don't take down videos after people go on a heroin binge | Sep 17 03:53 |
| scientes | *Walter Lewin | Sep 17 03:54 |
| scientes | > MIT revoked Lewin's Professor Emeritus title | Sep 17 03:54 |
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| scientes | oh, they did it so they could revoke his tenure | Sep 17 03:54 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, ^^^what do you think of these sorts of things? | Sep 17 03:59 |
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| *scientes is wondering if he should retract his copyright assignments to the FSF | Sep 17 04:04 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: As Richard Stallman Resigns Let's Consider Why GNU/Linux Without Stallman and Torvalds Would be a Victory to Microsoft http://techrights.org/2019/09/16/stallman-removed/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/e753edbc-8902-474e-90a6-85dd864984ca] | Sep 17 04:07 | |
| schestowitz | I’ll remove typos now… | Sep 17 04:07 |
| schestowitz | scientes: shawn, can you spot the typos with me/ | Sep 17 04:07 |
| schestowitz | I wrote this in a hurry | Sep 17 04:07 |
| schestowitz | it's very fresh news, 30 minutes from the FSF | Sep 17 04:07 |
| schestowitz | you will find typos if you read it | Sep 17 04:07 |
| scientes | should I e-mail FSF to ask to retract my copyright assignment? | Sep 17 04:08 |
| schestowitz | why? | Sep 17 04:09 |
| schestowitz | you don't trust them now | Sep 17 04:09 |
| schestowitz | ? | Sep 17 04:09 |
| schestowitz | He has his age and we knew it would happen, but it’s still a little bit of a shock, I can’t see anyone who could do what he did. Any further details on the reasons? | Sep 17 04:09 |
| schestowitz | Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) | Sep 17 04:09 |
| schestowitz | Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) - 35 minutes ago | Sep 17 04:09 |
| schestowitz | BAD. | Sep 17 04:09 |
| scientes | cause I can't trust such non-sense | Sep 17 04:09 |
| schestowitz | Alexandre Blanc | Sep 17 04:09 |
| schestowitz | Alexandre Blanc - 32 minutes ago | Sep 17 04:09 |
| schestowitz | What the hell is happening here ! … Unexpected and totally strange… | Sep 17 04:09 |
| schestowitz | Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) | Sep 17 04:09 |
| schestowitz | Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) - less than a minute ago | Sep 17 04:09 |
| schestowitz | As #RichardStallman Resigns Let’s Consider Why #GNU / #Linux Without Stallman and Torvalds Would be a Victory to #Microsoft http://techrights.org/2019/09/16/stallman-removed/ | Sep 17 04:09 |
| schestowitz | From https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16005101 | Sep 17 04:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | As Richard Stallman Resigns Let’s Consider Why GNU/Linux Without Stallman and Torvalds Would be a Victory to Microsoft | Techrights | Sep 17 04:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fsf@framasphere.org: Richard M. Stallman has resigned as FSF president and from the board of directors https://www.fsf.org/news/richard-m-stallman-resigns | Sep 17 04:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.fsf.org | Richard M. Stallman resigns — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software | Sep 17 04:09 | |
| schestowitz | scientes: not yet | Sep 17 04:10 |
| schestowitz | wait | Sep 17 04:10 |
| schestowitz | tell me if you see typos, I am publishing first, then checking | Sep 17 04:10 |
| schestowitz | as time is critical here | Sep 17 04:11 |
| scientes | steal kids from their patents for a profit | Sep 17 04:11 |
| scientes | parents | Sep 17 04:11 |
| scientes | Client: HexChat 2.14.2 • OS: Ubuntu "disco" 19.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2540M CPU @ 2.60GHz (1,57GHz) • Memory: Physical: 3,6 GiB Total (2,0 GiB Free) Swap: 7,8 GiB Total (7,2 GiB Free) • Storage: 199,7 GB / 237,8 GB (38,0 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family DRAM Controller • | Sep 17 04:11 |
| scientes | Uptime: 5h 11m 31s | Sep 17 04:11 |
| schestowitz | cheers | Sep 17 04:12 |
| schestowitz | fixed | Sep 17 04:12 |
| kaniini | Epstein was the final straw but the board has wanted FSF gone for a while | Sep 17 04:13 |
| kaniini | ... | Sep 17 04:13 |
| kaniini | the board has wanted RMS gone for a while* | Sep 17 04:13 |
| schestowitz | who can replace him? | Sep 17 04:13 |
| scientes | no-one | Sep 17 04:13 |
| kaniini | I can think of several people who would be qualified actually | Sep 17 04:13 |
| scientes | the FSF is not credible without him | Sep 17 04:13 |
| schestowitz | right | Sep 17 04:13 |
| kaniini | sure it is | Sep 17 04:13 |
| schestowitz | techrights wrote about it last month | Sep 17 04:13 |
| scientes | no it isn't | Sep 17 04:14 |
| schestowitz | The "FSF Titanic" series | Sep 17 04:14 |
| schestowitz | nobody can replace him | Sep 17 04:14 |
| scientes | I have read alot of free software foundation interviews | Sep 17 04:14 |
| schestowitz | I all add a link to the aricle | Sep 17 04:14 |
| scientes | and even the academics really don't get it the same way | Sep 17 04:14 |
| scientes | as they are too much part of the system | Sep 17 04:14 |
| kaniini | you assume FSF hires from inside | Sep 17 04:14 |
| scientes | but computer science is a system | Sep 17 04:14 |
| kaniini | if FSF hires someone in the trenches it could be a positive | Sep 17 04:14 |
| schestowitz | that would lack trust | Sep 17 04:15 |
| schestowitz | RMS has been in it for almost 40 years | Sep 17 04:15 |
| kaniini | sure, trust has to be earned | Sep 17 04:15 |
| schestowitz | outsiders no | Sep 17 04:15 |
| scientes | and those people, even if they say the right things, they rarely get it | Sep 17 04:15 |
| schestowitz | people will look elsewhere for guidance | Sep 17 04:15 |
| scientes | that's why Linus hates GTL3 | Sep 17 04:15 |
| scientes | because he is not RMS | Sep 17 04:15 |
| scientes | and AGPL is also quite unpopular (even with me), but RMS can push it credibly | Sep 17 04:16 |
| schestowitz | They will look for "pragmatic" and "practical" person | Sep 17 04:16 |
| kaniini | I'm salty about GPL3 because a lot of FUD was written | Sep 17 04:16 |
| schestowitz | like Greg K-H for Linux | Sep 17 04:16 |
| kaniini | but anyway | Sep 17 04:16 |
| scientes | and he has plenty of veto with the Debian project effectively vetoing the documentation license | Sep 17 04:16 |
| kaniini | FSF will be fine | Sep 17 04:16 |
| scientes | but Linus really does dis-like GPL3, and while that is a honest position to take | Sep 17 04:17 |
| kaniini | but RMS torpedoed several GNU projects | Sep 17 04:17 |
| kaniini | which lead to things like Mono | Sep 17 04:17 |
| scientes | he is not a technical guy | Sep 17 04:17 |
| kaniini | being a thing | Sep 17 04:17 |
| scientes | well, he once was | Sep 17 04:17 |
| scientes | he wrote quite a bit of gcc once | Sep 17 04:17 |
| kaniini | so anyway | Sep 17 04:17 |
| schestowitz | bad night | Sep 17 04:17 |
| kaniini | don't freak out quite yet | Sep 17 04:17 |
| schestowitz | and rms was pushed for the wrong reason | Sep 17 04:17 |
| kaniini | this wasn't solely about Epstein | Sep 17 04:17 |
| schestowitz | coup aided by media | Sep 17 04:17 |
| scientes | <kaniini> this wasn't solely about Epstein | Sep 17 04:18 |
| scientes | exactly | Sep 17 04:18 |
| schestowitz | that drove him over the edge though | Sep 17 04:18 |
| scientes | and that is why I can't trust FSF now | Sep 17 04:18 |
| schestowitz | his site speaks of pressure on MIT | Sep 17 04:18 |
| kaniini | sure | Sep 17 04:18 |
| scientes | cause I'm sick and tired of those fucks | Sep 17 04:18 |
| kaniini | anyway FSF isn't fighting the battles on the forefront of software freedom anyway | Sep 17 04:18 |
| kaniini | they haven't for years | Sep 17 04:18 |
| schestowitz | I am not sure what to think of FSF, so will be watching closely for weeks to come. They succumbed to bad media. | Sep 17 04:18 |
| scientes | that presume that I give a shit about other people sexuality besides my own, and that of my partners | Sep 17 04:18 |
| kaniini | largely because RMS torpedoed the projects | Sep 17 04:19 |
| scientes | kaniini, they don't have enough technical competence for that | Sep 17 04:19 |
| schestowitz | sad, sad... | Sep 17 04:19 |
| kaniini | they could have had if RMS did not torpedo things | Sep 17 04:19 |
| schestowitz | I think techrights will write a lot about this | Sep 17 04:19 |
| schestowitz | I need to remove more typos now | Sep 17 04:19 |
| schestowitz | assuming there are lots, I wrote with emotion, not patience | Sep 17 04:20 |
| kaniini | I'm just saying RMS was hardly a perfect leader for the FSF board | Sep 17 04:20 |
| kaniini | it's kind of bullshit that this is the straw but whatever | Sep 17 04:20 |
| aindilis | your article was good, I shared on #fsf | Sep 17 04:20 |
| scientes | I don't a shit about any damn beurocracy | Sep 17 04:21 |
| kaniini | well then do what is right | Sep 17 04:21 |
| kaniini | code for yourself on your own terms | Sep 17 04:21 |
| kaniini | you don't need to be part of GNU or FSF to do free software | Sep 17 04:22 |
| scientes | well, I would like some enforcement of the GPL hehe | Sep 17 04:22 |
| scientes | and that is beurocracy | Sep 17 04:22 |
| kaniini | conservancy does a decent job as does SFLC | Sep 17 04:22 |
| aindilis | I hadn't realized there was hope he would be reinstated, as I gather when you point out about Torvalds | Sep 17 04:22 |
| kaniini | he isn't coming back | Sep 17 04:23 |
| aindilis | well, maybe when this witch hunt blows over | Sep 17 04:23 |
| kaniini | nope | Sep 17 04:23 |
| kaniini | board has wanted him out for years | Sep 17 04:23 |
| scientes | yeah, so why don't we push for non-FSF-owned FSF projects now? | Sep 17 04:24 |
| kaniini | people who want to do work already have been for years | Sep 17 04:24 |
| scientes | I mean, the German court telling the anti-VMWare suit to go fuck itsself was pretty insulting | Sep 17 04:24 |
| kaniini | it is asked frequently why Pleroma is not a GNU project despite it being seen as a successor to GNU Social | Sep 17 04:25 |
| kaniini | and the answer is | Sep 17 04:25 |
| kaniini | we had to bootstrap everything ourselves | Sep 17 04:25 |
| kaniini | so why join GNU | Sep 17 04:25 |
| scientes | yeah there are no reasons | Sep 17 04:25 |
| kaniini | nothing was in it for us | Sep 17 04:25 |
| scientes | but there still is binutils, gcc, gdb, and glibc | Sep 17 04:25 |
| kaniini | the real question is | Sep 17 04:25 |
| kaniini | FSF board have an opportunity to modernize FSF | Sep 17 04:26 |
| kaniini | but will they blow that opportunity | Sep 17 04:26 |
| scientes | they don't give a shit | Sep 17 04:26 |
| kaniini | they do give a shit greatly actually | Sep 17 04:26 |
| scientes | they they should have an answer to the pirate party's platform | Sep 17 04:27 |
| scientes | they never did have a response to that | Sep 17 04:27 |
| scientes | which showed me they don't really care | Sep 17 04:27 |
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| scientes | only RMS cared http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/pirate-party.html | Sep 17 04:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | How the Swedish Pirate Party Platform Backfires on Free Software - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation | Sep 17 04:28 | |
| kaniini | what if i told you that most articles written by RMS are actually written by interns | Sep 17 04:32 |
| scientes | i would believe you | Sep 17 04:32 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/lfac/status/1173798656551657472 | Sep 17 04:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lfac: https://t.co/cJrFF43IYS | Sep 17 04:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | As Richard Stallman Resigns Let’s Consider Why GNU/Linux Without Stallman and Torvalds Would be a Victory to Microsoft | Techrights | Sep 17 04:35 | |
| anthk_ | wasn't its personal page managed by someone else? | Sep 17 04:38 |
| scientes | ugghg, reading about this in other chanels it is clear that people on the internet are just really horney | Sep 17 04:42 |
| scientes | and willing to let talk of sex get to their head | Sep 17 04:42 |
| anthk_ | spanish IRC net crushed down to jerks over ISDN/ADSL widespreading | Sep 17 04:46 |
| anthk_ | and esp.*/es.* newsserver are either empty or full of spam | Sep 17 04:47 |
| anthk_ | when back in the day you could engage a technical/fun convo all day | Sep 17 04:47 |
| anthk_ | spanish as Spain | Sep 17 04:47 |
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| anthk_ | I am nostalgic of the times where tech fights and social rights were separate | Sep 17 04:49 |
| anthk_ | right, but separate, and ofc no one would boost up an $RANDOM jerk over technical work | Sep 17 04:49 |
| scientes | <anthk_> I am nostalgic of the times where tech fights and social rights were separate | Sep 17 04:50 |
| scientes | exactly | Sep 17 04:50 |
| anthk_ | we were not that nuts, we supported both, but when a technical guy/girl was better than us, we kept it in the top because in the end it would be better | Sep 17 04:50 |
| scientes | and in the last 10 years computer conferences in the US have been taken over buy those fucks | Sep 17 04:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/csolisr/status/1173805987767169024 | Sep 17 04:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@csolisr: @Bizitzarenjokoa @schestowitz GPLv4 except it's no longer named GPL, because it's written by an entirely different… https://t.co/63hQWBUvAn | Sep 17 04:50 | |
| schestowitz | "GPLv4 except it's no longer named GPL, because it's written by an entirely different group of people from an entirely new Foundation. Also: a minor spike in switches from Linux to BSD." | Sep 17 04:51 |
| anthk_ | in Spain tech rights were supported from SJW's, but no obstaculized RMS | Sep 17 04:51 |
| anthk_ | everyone tought of him of a borderline autistic | Sep 17 04:51 |
| anthk_ | no one* | Sep 17 04:51 |
| scientes | I know this is a publically logged channel, but if I am at a computer conference I don't care how being gay and lesbian and trans-gender disadvantaged you | Sep 17 04:51 |
| anthk_ | as if that matters in the 21th century | Sep 17 04:52 |
| anthk_ | when there is something better than tech for discrimination | Sep 17 04:52 |
| anthk_ | law | Sep 17 04:52 |
| anthk_ | pure law | Sep 17 04:52 |
| anthk_ | if you got an issue over racial/sex discrimination, call the police, it's faster | Sep 17 04:52 |
| scientes | yeah but in the current system those things give you points | Sep 17 04:52 |
| anthk_ | where aren't in these dark eras of Alan Turing | Sep 17 04:52 |
| scientes | black +1 point, trans-gender (and there is no such thing as gender) +1, gay +1, lesbian +1 | Sep 17 04:53 |
| scientes | et cetera | Sep 17 04:53 |
| anthk_ | here in Spain no one cares if you are black or white | Sep 17 04:53 |
| anthk_ | and in the UK | Sep 17 04:53 |
| scientes | that's not what I'm saying | Sep 17 04:53 |
| anthk_ | no one call them African-British | Sep 17 04:53 |
| anthk_ | just British | Sep 17 04:53 |
| anthk_ | in Spain, ditto. You are Black and speak Basque, FFS, you a Basque. | Sep 17 04:53 |
| anthk_ | I don't understand the US tribalism | Sep 17 04:54 |
| scientes | Castilian +1 | Sep 17 04:54 |
| anthk_ | the castilles today are -1, these poor people are truly fucked on infrastructure lacks :\ | Sep 17 04:54 |
| scientes | what ever group is "disadvantaged" or seen as inferior, they are still considered inferior, but they also get "+1" points | Sep 17 04:54 |
| anthk_ | Madrid in the middle acts as a black hole | Sep 17 04:54 |
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| anthk_ | it's more logical to integrate sth gay/lesbian/trans if you don't give a shit publicly what does and doesn't like | Sep 17 04:56 |
| anthk_ | IMHO | Sep 17 04:56 |
| anthk_ | and just remark its good job | Sep 17 04:56 |
| scientes | female +1 | Sep 17 04:56 |
| anthk_ | I know a female scientist which is against that crap | Sep 17 04:56 |
| anthk_ | she fells crippled | Sep 17 04:57 |
| anthk_ | *feels | Sep 17 04:57 |
| scientes | and these sexual minorities (it doesn't matter that females are the majority, in this type of thinking they are by definition the minority), then undermine real classes | Sep 17 04:57 |
| anthk_ | ofc rms did bad comments, too, but why do they care today after these years? | Sep 17 04:57 |
| anthk_ | I mean, no one took it seriously out of computing | Sep 17 04:58 |
| anthk_ | At least myself | Sep 17 04:58 |
| anthk_ | if you take a role of a guy who made articles on life as a math matrix, you are nuts, period | Sep 17 05:02 |
| schestowitz | RMS did not attack LGBT | Sep 17 05:03 |
| schestowitz | they attacked him, however | Sep 17 05:03 |
| anthk_ | in spain we have some saying | Sep 17 05:03 |
| scientes | exactly | Sep 17 05:03 |
| schestowitz | Rowe/LibreBoot | Sep 17 05:03 |
| scientes | because they don't have any respect for tolerance | Sep 17 05:03 |
| anthk_ | "¿quien es más loco, el loco, o el que sigue el loco?" | Sep 17 05:03 |
| scientes | anthk_, siiii | Sep 17 05:03 |
| anthk_ | "who is more insane, the crazy, or the crazy follower?" | Sep 17 05:03 |
| anthk_ | (the one who follows the crazy, not a random follower which is crazy) | Sep 17 05:04 |
| scientes | Yeah but I don't think RMS is crazy | Sep 17 05:05 |
| scientes | He is not much of a diplomat | Sep 17 05:06 |
| scientes | but he is not crazy | Sep 17 05:06 |
| anthk_ | asperger borderline, maybe | Sep 17 05:06 |
| anthk_ | or a really, really, really bad communicator on non-IT | Sep 17 05:06 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16005398 | Sep 17 05:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@sapiens@pod.geraspora.de reshared: Richard M. Stallman has resigned as FSF president and from the board of directors https://www.fsf.org/news/richard-m-stallman-resigns | Sep 17 05:11 | |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 17 05:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.fsf.org | Richard M. Stallman resigns — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software | Sep 17 05:11 | |
| schestowitz | The end of the FSF. OMG | Sep 17 05:11 |
| schestowitz |  | Sep 17 05:11 |
| schestowitz | Sapiens - 10 minutes ago | Sep 17 05:11 |
| schestowitz | Maybe not the end, but this surely undermines the Free Software Movement. | Sep 17 05:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 17 05:11 |
| kaniini | the end of the FSF was a decade ago when they decided that programming (as in the business sense) should be focused on bullshit like Bad Vista | Sep 17 05:16 |
| kaniini | and GNU was severely defunded | Sep 17 05:17 |
| kaniini | because companies would "pick up the slack" | Sep 17 05:17 |
| anthk_ | https://mobile.twitter.com/mattl/status/1173809751253225472 | Sep 17 05:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mobile.twitter.com | Twitter | Sep 17 05:18 | |
| anthk_ | mame and snes9x were open source, but non commercial | Sep 17 05:19 |
| anthk_ | and these guys are applauding this | Sep 17 05:19 |
| anthk_ | and meanwhile, China is doing low cost netbooks with Linux | Sep 17 05:19 |
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| kaniini | mattl has plenty of reason to hate RMS | Sep 17 05:24 |
| mandy | Hello :-) Heartbroken to read of Richard Stallman's resignation. So many thoughts, but all of them centre on the deliberate taking down of a man who has done no crime ... and that people in the Linux community deliberately were incendiary in this is disgusting. As you say, no heed of actual criminals (MS) at all. | Sep 17 05:24 |
| kaniini | RMS basically torpedoed GNUSTEP | Sep 17 05:24 |
| scientes | anthk_, and Google refuses to sell chromebooks in the countries where people have trouble affording laptops | Sep 17 05:24 |
| scientes | anyways, enough geeking out | Sep 17 05:25 |
| scientes | such a waste of time | Sep 17 05:25 |
| anthk_ | gnome since icaza was been a joke | Sep 17 05:25 |
| scientes | it is all going according to plan | Sep 17 05:25 |
| anthk_ | more and more corporative | Sep 17 05:25 |
| anthk_ | not usable, corporative, wasting resources on porpuse | Sep 17 05:25 |
| mandy | I see that there is direct contact with RMS; if I may ask you to send him my love, and my thanks for the privacy/freedom we are all so lucky to enjoy on Linux. | Sep 17 05:26 |
| aindilis | yeah, same | Sep 17 05:27 |
| mandy | :-) | Sep 17 05:27 |
| schestowitz | indeed | Sep 17 05:27 |
| schestowitz | Linus is next http://techrights.org/2019/08/15/professionalism-myth/ | Sep 17 05:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Myth of ‘Professionalism’ | Techrights | Sep 17 05:28 | |
| anthk_ | if they try with De Raadt I woudn't like to be in front of them | Sep 17 05:28 |
| mandy | That would be a very sad day too, although I really do wish he would stand strong. | Sep 17 05:28 |
| anthk_ | because he tells fuck off to everyone and blocks anyone without thinking | Sep 17 05:29 |
| anthk_ | -you did some wrong? +OMG you are hurting me -shut up and do thing well next time | Sep 17 05:29 |
| anthk_ | it happened in the mail list several times | Sep 17 05:30 |
| anthk_ | these people are no joke, they tell you RTFM first and then stop making asumptions | Sep 17 05:30 |
| schestowitz | Wow | Sep 17 05:31 |
| schestowitz | Rick is also "out" | Sep 17 05:31 |
| schestowitz | Pirate Party Founde | Sep 17 05:31 |
| schestowitz | the original one | Sep 17 05:31 |
| schestowitz | Just got this hours ago: | Sep 17 05:31 |
| schestowitz | ----------- | Sep 17 05:31 |
| schestowitz | > Hi Roy, | Sep 17 05:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 17 05:31 |
| schestowitz | > I apologize for the late reply, we are currently catching up on a | Sep 17 05:31 |
| schestowitz | > backlog of emails here. | Sep 17 05:31 |
| anthk_ | pastebin | Sep 17 05:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 17 05:31 |
| schestowitz | > Rick left is position at PIA in the summer of last year for health | Sep 17 05:31 |
| schestowitz | > reasons and does not have any influence on their current business | Sep 17 05:31 |
| schestowitz | > decisions. | Sep 17 05:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 17 05:31 |
| schestowitz | > Kind Regards, | Sep 17 05:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 17 05:31 |
| schestowitz | > Erin Forbes (assistant to Rick Falkvinge) | Sep 17 05:31 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for getting back to me. | Sep 17 05:31 |
| schestowitz | Better late than never. | Sep 17 05:31 |
| schestowitz | Please do pass my sincere regards, respect and gratitude to Rick. May he feel better soon (I saw his blog post about it). | Sep 17 05:31 |
| schestowitz | ------ | Sep 17 05:31 |
| schestowitz | too late | Sep 17 05:31 |
| schestowitz | it's not so many lines anyway | Sep 17 05:31 |
| anthk_ | ok sorry | Sep 17 05:32 |
| schestowitz | literally minutes ago | Sep 17 05:32 |
| <--mandy has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Sep 17 05:34 | |
| schestowitz | Re: word on the street | Sep 17 05:40 |
| schestowitz | > so i was talking to a guy i know (in person) that used to work at dell, and im telling him about the bill gates, mit, minsky, stallman thing. | Sep 17 05:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 17 05:40 |
| schestowitz | > he says yeah, theyre going crazy over at mit and harvard about this stuff. hes heard of minsky, and he thinks stallman has every right to make comments defending his colleague and friend. | Sep 17 05:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 17 05:40 |
| schestowitz | > hes not a trump supporter, (most of the people who say these things are, in my experience) but he says "this [politically correct] cultures got to stop." i told him about the coup going on, hes not on board. the people who are doing this are not interested in the well being of the free software movement, theyre not interested in truth, theyre only in it for the politics right now. | Sep 17 05:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bad Vista was a failure like pretty much everything else that tries to get people interested in stop hitting themselves. | Sep 17 05:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows 10 is much worse than Vista ever was and Microsoft used malware tactics to take over older computers with it too. | Sep 17 05:47 |
| schestowitz | vista 10 | Sep 17 05:47 |
| schestowitz | same thing under the hood | Sep 17 05:47 |
| schestowitz | new lipsticks | Sep 17 05:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They knew that if they didn't step in and force Windows 10 on people in the middle of the night without asking, that they'd keep uaing Windows 7 on their computers until sometime in the 2030s or later. | Sep 17 05:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They learned with XP that people just didn't see a reason why they should update if the software still runs, so they didn't make the mistake of giving people a choice this time. | Sep 17 05:49 |
| anthk_ | also they forced upgrades on w7 with extra spyware | Sep 17 05:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows 10 nags you if you get cute and diaable the updates system. | Sep 17 05:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It pops a message up saying Windows 10 is a service and by using it, you agree to let it make updates and that you need to turn the update aystem back on now. | Sep 17 05:51 |
| anthk_ | not even witout GPO's ? | Sep 17 05:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | ? | Sep 17 05:51 |
| anthk_ | group policies | Sep 17 05:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I dunno. Home doesn't have that. | Sep 17 05:54 |
| schestowitz | >> Thanks. I will try to 'buy time' with those who I compose further articles.. | Sep 17 06:14 |
| schestowitz | > No problem. I'm not confident enough to fully automate the merge. | Sep 17 06:14 |
| schestowitz | > There are risks of failure in the manual process, like with today, but | Sep 17 06:14 |
| schestowitz | > they are mostly recoverable. | Sep 17 06:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 17 06:14 |
| schestowitz | > As far as random comments go, much of the troubles in Kashmir could | Sep 17 06:14 |
| schestowitz | > probably be filed under overpopulation. The overpopulation in the form | Sep 17 06:14 |
| schestowitz | > of squatters and insurgents have been coming over the border from | Sep 17 06:14 |
| schestowitz | > Pakistan for many decades. China wants more of Kashmir but aims to keep | Sep 17 06:14 |
| schestowitz | > confiscating territory while continuing to play Pakistan and India off | Sep 17 06:14 |
| schestowitz | > against each other, but they let KSA stand for most of that publicity | Sep 17 06:14 |
| schestowitz | > for the time being. KSA is financing Pakistan and western social | Sep 17 06:14 |
| schestowitz | > control media sings their tune. This is a hot spot involving a conflict | Sep 17 06:14 |
| schestowitz | > between three nuclear powers, one of which is increasingly belligerent | Sep 17 06:14 |
| schestowitz | > and fascist and another increasingly bending towards fanaticism. | Sep 17 06:14 |
| anthk_ | it would be ironic if the FSF removed this because of RMS | Sep 17 06:25 |
| anthk_ | https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html | Sep 17 06:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | The Right to Read - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation | Sep 17 06:25 | |
| schestowitz | > I had underestimated the level of disinformation (lies actually) against | Sep 17 06:31 |
| schestowitz | > RMS in the mainstream media. | Sep 17 06:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 17 06:31 |
| schestowitz | > IRC might be interested in this, leave a comment even if not logged in: | Sep 17 06:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 17 06:31 |
| schestowitz | > https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=19/09/17/0256201 | Sep 17 06:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Richard M. Stallman Resigns - SoylentNews | Sep 17 06:31 | |
| schestowitz | I shall share in IRC. | Sep 17 06:31 |
| MinceR | i wonder when will society have a defense against crybullies | Sep 17 06:35 |
| aindilis | https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2019-09/msg00034.html | Sep 17 06:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.gnu.org | Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts? | Sep 17 06:37 | |
| schestowitz | The same publications that lied about (slandered) RMS now celebrate https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/mbm74x/computer-scientist-richard-stallman-resigns-from-mit-over-epstein-comments | Sep 17 06:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Computer Scientist Richard Stallman Resigns From MIT Over Epstein Comments - VICE | Sep 17 06:41 | |
| schestowitz | RMS #defamation timeline (the #corporatemedia lies about him “defending Epstein” whom he called “a “serial rapist”, and said he deserved to be imprisoned”) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128122 | Sep 17 06:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stallman Under Fire for Views on Epstein | Tux Machines | Sep 17 06:41 | |
| schestowitz | Richard M. Stallman Resigns [sic] as @FSF President and from its Board of Directors | Sep 17 06:41 |
| schestowitz | https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=19/09/17/0256201 see http://techrights.org/2019/09/16/stallman-removed/ he was removed | Sep 17 06:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | As Richard Stallman Resigns Let’s Consider Why GNU/Linux Without Stallman and Torvalds Would be a Victory to Microsoft | Techrights | Sep 17 06:41 | |
| schestowitz | Re: FOR IMMEDIATE PUBLICATION | Sep 17 06:51 |
| schestowitz | xxxx wrote on 17/09/2019 06:47:> why i once called for richard stallman to step down | Sep 17 06:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 17 06:51 |
| schestowitz | > "I do not think Stallman stepped down for a good reason this week. This | Sep 17 06:51 |
| schestowitz | > was about image, not truth-- it was not about renewing the fight for | Sep 17 06:52 |
| schestowitz | > free software." | Sep 17 06:52 |
| schestowitz | We got a guest post minutes ago | Sep 17 06:52 |
| schestowitz | Matt Lee @mattl has just blocked me for merely defending RMS. POLITELY! So he believes in neither #freesoftware nor #freespeech | Sep 17 06:56 |
| schestowitz | I met him in person years ago. He seems to be anti-RMS opportunist now. Watch out. | Sep 17 06:56 |
| kaniini | i am somebody who does think RMS should have stepped down years ago | Sep 17 07:00 |
| kaniini | but this is not really a good reason for it | Sep 17 07:00 |
| kaniini | i think instead the mismanagement of the GNU project would be better :) | Sep 17 07:00 |
| schestowitz | yup | Sep 17 07:02 |
| schestowitz | I have an article about this coming | Sep 17 07:02 |
| schestowitz | guest post | Sep 17 07:02 |
| schestowitz | have not read it yet | Sep 17 07:02 |
| schestowitz | editing as we speak | Sep 17 07:02 |
| schestowitz | "December 2018 and earlier this year, I called for Richard Stallman to voluntarily resign." | Sep 17 07:07 |
| schestowitz | from the post | Sep 17 07:07 |
| schestowitz | https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=19/09/17/0256201 | Sep 17 07:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Richard M. Stallman Resigns - SoylentNews | Sep 17 07:16 | |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 17 07:16 |
| schestowitz | What has he done that is of importance recently? It's not unusual for a 66 year old to retire anyway. | Sep 17 07:16 |
| schestowitz | It will be funny to see which camp picks the successor. | Sep 17 07:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 17 07:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 17 07:16 |
| schestowitz | EMACS. | Sep 17 07:16 |
| schestowitz | Being an entire Universe (don't you dare to call it just an OS), emacs is eternal. | Sep 17 07:16 |
| schestowitz | By comparison to eternity, when it comes to "recently", 30 years more or less just doesn't register. | Sep 17 07:16 |
| schestowitz | (grin) | Sep 17 07:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 17 07:16 |
| danielinux | RMS parting should be a golden opportunity for the community, and hopefully FSF, to move the battle on Copyleft from a religious to a political ground. Yes, RMS original ideas are what we fight for, but FSF seems to fail lately to realize the impact Copyleft would have on fair competition and public money in technology. | Sep 17 07:17 |
| danielinux | 2020 battle on Free Software should have firm political goals, and clearly recognize Open Source, as marketed today, as the actual threat to people's Freedom to contribute to technological progress | Sep 17 07:24 |
| danielinux | (my two cents) | Sep 17 07:24 |
| danielinux | GAFAM love for permissive licenses is because it makes it very easy for them to invest large amount of money to produce proprietary forks and destroy the competition, which often includes the original author(s), when they resist being acqu-hired | Sep 17 07:27 |
| aindilis | insightful | Sep 17 07:32 |
| aindilis | (the part about GAFAM) | Sep 17 07:33 |
| danielinux | it took almost 20 years for Microsoft to take over the steering of Linux, but if it wasn't for GPL (and massively distributed copyright) it would have been as easy as paying the price asked by the copyright holder | Sep 17 07:33 |
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| linuxsimplified | hey | Sep 17 09:24 |
| schestowitz | yo | Sep 17 09:32 |
| schestowitz | sad day | Sep 17 09:32 |
| schestowitz | I'm reading everything in IRC | Sep 17 09:32 |
| schestowitz | I'm being 'trolled' a lot today | Sep 17 09:32 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16006963 | Sep 17 09:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I swear, all these people who try to spin pro- #softwarefreedom as "sexist" are doing >enormous< harm not just to feminism but to all women (in general) | Sep 17 09:32 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16006922 | Sep 17 09:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Can't believe I've been sitting on a major #epo story for almost 10 hours, but struggling to get it done and finished because of RMS-related distraction (mostly people' trolling' me for 'daring' to oppose this ousting) | Sep 17 09:32 | |
| razielle_tzu | :/ | Sep 17 09:33 |
| schestowitz | exactly | Sep 17 09:33 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16006973 | Sep 17 09:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I need to switch off #socialcontrolmedia (ESP. #twitter with its trolls galore) for a while to get >anything< done today. #gnu #rms #freesw | Sep 17 09:34 | |
| schestowitz | I wrote this 3 weeks ago in #ireland http://techrights.org/2019/08/25/diversity-and-inclusion/ | Sep 17 09:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Diversity and Inclusion: When Corporations Hijack or Co-opt Social Causes | Techrights | Sep 17 09:35 | |
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| razielle_tzu | that isn't something that will go away any time soon, hopefully the trolls giving you a hard time let up so you an work though | Sep 17 09:43 |
| razielle_tzu | *can | Sep 17 09:44 |
| schestowitz | I managed to move on now | Sep 17 09:47 |
| schestowitz | I shut some windows | Sep 17 09:47 |
| schestowitz | I am writing EPO stuff | Sep 17 09:47 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: coming soon, get ready | Sep 17 09:47 |
| razielle_tzu | cool | Sep 17 09:49 |
| schestowitz | it's the "Walk Away" thing | Sep 17 09:49 |
| schestowitz | not the rightwing one | Sep 17 09:49 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: ”what do you think of these sorts of things?" – I am not going to say anything without consulting an attorney. | Sep 17 10:06 |
| XRevan86 | Another great victory for the Usonian wave of Social Justice – an old man who was way too honest resigned. | Sep 17 10:16 |
| XRevan86 | All injustice in the state decreased by several points. | Sep 17 10:16 |
| zoobab | https://mastodon.bida.im/@danielinux/102806696557331933 | Sep 17 10:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.bida.im | dlx: "#RMS / #FSF" - Mastodon Bida.im | Sep 17 10:18 | |
| zoobab | 2020 battle on #FreeSoftware should have firm political grounds, and recognize #OpenSource, as marketed today, as the actual threat to people's Freedom. | Sep 17 10:18 |
| zoobab | #GAFAM love for permissive licenses is because it makes it very easy for them to invest large amount of money to produce proprietary forks and destroy the competition, which often includes the original author(s), when they resist being acqu-hired. | Sep 17 10:18 |
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| schestowitz | https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=19/09/17/0256201 | Sep 17 12:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Richard M. Stallman Resigns - SoylentNews | Sep 17 12:21 | |
| schestowitz | "Do anyone know of other news articles that cover this story without bashing Stallman? The techrights.org story covers the details nicely, but also has a lot of anti-MS ranting that I feel does not have a place outside of the most devout linux hippie circles. Searching through the usual news aggregators turns up the same tripe about "Renowned MIT Scientist Defends Epstein: Victims Were 'Entirely Willing'"" | Sep 17 12:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 17 12:22 |
| schestowitz | If you do find any, do post the links, but I would be surprised that any accurate accounting of the messages actually exist. Outside of Techrights.org and a few mailing lists, I've only seen the same anti-RMS tripe filled with false statements, lies. I would not be surprised if some of it was even partially preplanned. Even some inside the FSF turned on him, opportunists or moles. The media has been active in spreading lies and | Sep 17 12:22 |
| schestowitz | misrepresenting the situation. Either way, there is great damage being wrought against our software freedom. M$ has been finding ways to work around the letter of individual licenses. Here is a handful of their methods: | Sep 17 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Witch hunts against software leaders and key developers | Sep 17 12:22 |
| schestowitz | License proliferation and dilution | Sep 17 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Ongoing antitrust abuse | Sep 17 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Yellow journalism and saturation of the media | Sep 17 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Shills and astroturfing | Sep 17 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Repository takeover | Sep 17 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Student indoctrination within schools | Sep 17 12:22 |
| schestowitz | ... | Sep 17 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, the M$ rants are relevant. Not only does M$ work hard even to this day to maintain its bad reputation, its people are involved in this specific event rather directly. Bill Gates was hanging out and managing money together with Epstein, including "donations" to MIT. Gates is still up to his ears in M$. | Sep 17 12:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 17 12:22 |
| zoobab | you forgot patents | Sep 17 12:32 |
| schestowitz | <li> | Sep 17 12:43 |
| schestowitz | <h5><a href="https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/09/the-worlds-most-important-political-prisoner/">The World’s Most Important Political Prisoner</a></h5> | Sep 17 12:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.craigmurray.org.uk | The World's Most Important Political Prisoner - Craig Murray | Sep 17 12:43 | |
| schestowitz | <blockquote> | Sep 17 12:43 |
| schestowitz | <p> We are now just one week away from the end of Julian Assange’s uniquely lengthy imprisonment for bail violation. He will receive parole from the rest of that sentence, but will continue to be imprisoned on remand awaiting his hearing on extradition to the USA – a process which could last several years. | Sep 17 12:43 |
| schestowitz | </p> | Sep 17 12:43 |
| schestowitz | <p> | Sep 17 12:43 |
| schestowitz | At that point, all the excuses for Assange’s imprisonment which so-called leftists and liberals in the UK have hidden behind will evaporate. There are no charges and no active investigation in Sweden, where the “evidence” disintegrated at the first whiff of critical scrutiny. He is no longer imprisoned for “jumping bail”. The sole reason for his incarceration will be the publishing of the Afghan and Iraq war logs leaked by Chelsea | Sep 17 12:43 |
| schestowitz | Manning, with their evidence of wrongdoing and multiple war crimes. | Sep 17 12:43 |
| schestowitz | </p> | Sep 17 12:43 |
| schestowitz | <p> | Sep 17 12:43 |
| schestowitz | In imprisoning Assange for bail violation, the UK was in clear defiance of the judgement of the UN Working Group on arbitrary Detention, which stated | Sep 17 12:44 |
| schestowitz | [...] | Sep 17 12:44 |
| schestowitz | </p></blockquote></li> | Sep 17 12:44 |
| scientes | XRevan86, good response | Sep 17 12:52 |
| scientes | <XRevan86> Another great victory for the Usonian wave of Social Justice – an old man who was way too honest resigned. | Sep 17 12:53 |
| scientes | <XRevan86> All injustice in the state decreased by several points. | Sep 17 12:53 |
| aindilis | "Bill Gates was hanging out and managing money together with Epstein, including "donations" to MIT. Gates is still up to his ears in M$" <- this wasn't mentioned in stallman-removed article? | Sep 17 12:54 |
| XRevan86 | Those who fight the good fight somehow are very bad at telling whom they should fight. Maybe it's because they fight only those fights where they think they can win, so they end up fighting the defenceless. | Sep 17 12:56 |
| schestowitz | clever | Sep 17 12:57 |
| schestowitz | aindilis: maybe the one before it | Sep 17 12:57 |
| schestowitz | which I linked to | Sep 17 12:57 |
| aindilis | ah kk | Sep 17 12:57 |
| schestowitz | also: | Sep 17 12:58 |
| schestowitz | 1. too many articles about it | Sep 17 12:58 |
| schestowitz | mine was almost first | Sep 17 12:58 |
| schestowitz | about FSF status | Sep 17 12:58 |
| schestowitz | as I had a draft ready | Sep 17 12:58 |
| schestowitz | so within 30 minutes of FSF press release, 3am my time, I published | Sep 17 12:58 |
| schestowitz | 2. there's 'social media' | Sep 17 12:58 |
| schestowitz | 3. repetition isn't needed when the reports are everyone | Sep 17 12:58 |
| schestowitz | everywhere | Sep 17 12:59 |
| schestowitz | for everyone to access | Sep 17 12:59 |
| schestowitz | search gates miy epstein, bam | Sep 17 12:59 |
| schestowitz | although Gates googlebombed this with his face-saving PR machine by now | Sep 17 12:59 |
| schestowitz | and his bribed-for press was happy to obligate to hide or obscure the 'sginal | Sep 17 12:59 |
| XRevan86 | It's not a new sentiment for me. I explain the rise of Navalny as an opposition leader like that: he's the only such a figure who doesn't try to fight other branches of the opposition. | Sep 17 13:00 |
| XRevan86 | Those darn communists, mustn't let them get power. Those darn liberals, those darn etc. | Sep 17 13:00 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yes, those labels don't do much | Sep 17 13:01 |
| XRevan86 | Meanwhile, no one fought Putin. | Sep 17 13:01 |
| schestowitz | We'll tackle the RMS thing from another angle later | Sep 17 13:01 |
| scientes | that's why the discussion is always more important than any elections | Sep 17 13:01 |
| scientes | XRevan86, getting into power, or staying in power? | Sep 17 13:02 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: staying | Sep 17 13:02 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I'm not going that far back | Sep 17 13:02 |
| schestowitz | oh, looks like our story is now in front page of LXer | Sep 17 13:03 |
| scientes | The thing is, I don't know of any non-bobble-head politicians since 2001 | Sep 17 13:03 |
| schestowitz | I think it is their first coverage of this topic | Sep 17 13:03 |
| aindilis | wtg | Sep 17 13:03 |
| scientes | so I really can't find a reason to oppose Putin | Sep 17 13:04 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: A borderline criminal baron is more refreshing? | Sep 17 13:04 |
| XRevan86 | I mean internal affairs, of course. | Sep 17 13:05 |
| scientes | well yeah, not too acquainted with those | Sep 17 13:05 |
| XRevan86 | not how external powers perceive Putin, Russia, etc. | Sep 17 13:05 |
| scientes | well yeah, that video said that Peter the Great also eroded powers for serfs | Sep 17 13:05 |
| scientes | in order to get loyalty from aristocrats | Sep 17 13:06 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: That sounds about right | Sep 17 13:06 |
| XRevan86 | I don't remember who did what really | Sep 17 13:06 |
| XRevan86 | just the gradual process | Sep 17 13:07 |
| scientes | that it was he that tied the serfs to the land | Sep 17 13:07 |
| XRevan86 | The rights of serfs were stripped from them numerous times | Sep 17 13:07 |
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| XRevan86 | Even when Alexander II cancelled serfdom, he still pretty much screwed serfs. | Sep 17 13:11 |
| XRevan86 | Not a unique situation of course. | Sep 17 13:11 |
| scientes | in what way? | Sep 17 13:12 |
| scientes | and what were the patches out of, and into serfdom? | Sep 17 13:12 |
| scientes | *paths | Sep 17 13:12 |
| scientes | because unlike in the US, this was not a racial clasification | Sep 17 13:12 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_reform_of_1861#Effects_on_the_serfs | Sep 17 13:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Emancipation reform of 1861 - Wikipedia | Sep 17 13:13 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128212 [https://pleroma.site/objects/22254338-7772-41fc-bc53-8953ef2808a2] | Sep 17 13:13 | |
| scientes | > The redemption tax was so high that the serfs had to sell all the grain they produced to pay the tax, which left nothing for their survival. | Sep 17 13:13 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: One doesn't need race to look down on someone. | Sep 17 13:13 |
| scientes | well, even if they didn't sell the grain, where would they keep it? where would the grind it? | Sep 17 13:13 |
| scientes | XRevan86, I know that perfectly well | Sep 17 13:13 |
| scientes | but it does mean that they may be a way out, or a way in | Sep 17 13:14 |
| scientes | Peter made demotion official | Sep 17 13:14 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: For a person with absolutely no education? | Sep 17 13:14 |
| XRevan86 | There's one example: Lomonosov | Sep 17 13:14 |
| XRevan86 | is there another? | Sep 17 13:14 |
| scientes | ahh yes, impossible without education | Sep 17 13:14 |
| scientes | > the law of conservation of mass | Sep 17 13:15 |
| scientes | holy moley | Sep 17 13:15 |
| scientes | this guy was genius (except he was wrong hahahahaha, fucking Einstein) | Sep 17 13:15 |
| XRevan86 | And he wasn't born royal for a change. | Sep 17 13:15 |
| scientes | there was also some guys that were royal but hung out with serfs | Sep 17 13:16 |
| scientes | ahh, but his dad was rich | Sep 17 13:16 |
| scientes | was this was part of the larger european merchant class thing | Sep 17 13:16 |
| scientes | but lucky that his dad's fortune wasn't robbed from him | Sep 17 13:17 |
| scientes | > Lomonosov had been taught to read as a boy by his neighbor Ivan Shubny | Sep 17 13:17 |
| XRevan86 | Anyway, unlike the US, these things of the past don't reflect on the present that much. | Sep 17 13:17 |
| scientes | well the US is such a weird place | Sep 17 13:18 |
| scientes | well, I get the feeling there is still some soviet nostalgia | Sep 17 13:18 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: People wanted all the bad things away, but all the things went away | Sep 17 13:19 |
| XRevan86 | so yea, nostalgia :) | Sep 17 13:19 |
| scientes | > Lomonosov lived on three kopecks a day, eating only black bread and kvass, but he made rapid progress scholastically. | Sep 17 13:20 |
| scientes | wow | Sep 17 13:20 |
| scientes | black bread also shows up in Les Miserables | Sep 17 13:20 |
| scientes | I still don't really know what this stuff is | Sep 17 13:20 |
| scientes | its not pumpernickle, is it? | Sep 17 13:20 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: no | Sep 17 13:20 |
| XRevan86 | just rye bread | Sep 17 13:21 |
| scientes | well pumpernickle is the only rye bread I've ever had | Sep 17 13:21 |
| XRevan86 | http://www.calorizator.ru/sites/default/files/imagecache/product_512/product/bread-2.jpg | Sep 17 13:21 |
| scientes | i thought at that time potatoes were taking over | Sep 17 13:22 |
| XRevan86 | http://vchemraznica.ru/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/chern26.jpg | Sep 17 13:22 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/1173932084030783488 | Sep 17 13:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Beautyon_: These people don't seem to understand that the actors railing against Stallman and Torvalds are antimeritocratic. T… https://t.co/FAgOQsXeGW | Sep 17 13:22 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Beautyon_: These people don't seem to understand that the actors railing against Stallman and Torvalds are antimeritocratic. T… https://t.co/FAgOQsXeGW | Sep 17 13:22 | |
| schestowitz | "These people don't seem to understand that the actors railing against Stallman and Torvalds are antimeritocratic. They don't care about how things work, they just want to be at the center of it, despite not meriting a place there. Expect more of this. http://techrights.org/2019/09/16/stallman-removed/ …" | Sep 17 13:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | As Richard Stallman Resigns Let’s Consider Why GNU/Linux Without Stallman and Torvalds Would be a Victory to Microsoft | Techrights | Sep 17 13:22 | |
| scientes | oh i've had regular rye too | Sep 17 13:22 |
| schestowitz | (thread) | Sep 17 13:22 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/arielsanchezmor/status/1173931270360973314 | Sep 17 13:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@arielsanchezmor: Wow I didn't know this happened while I was out https://t.co/fA3Qpiu4jU | Sep 17 13:22 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/erikhinderer/status/1173932386607927296 | Sep 17 13:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@erikhinderer: @arielsanchezmor Really good guy, smart as a whip, but misguided at time like many of us... Sad to see, but I’m sur… https://t.co/4mXMlvFORN | Sep 17 13:23 | |
| schestowitz | "Really good guy, smart as a whip, but misguided at time like many of us... Sad to see, but I’m sure he’s not gonna disappear." | Sep 17 13:23 |
| scientes | > he studied mineralogy, metallurgy, and mining at Bergrat Johann Friedrich Henckel's [de] laboratory in Freiberg, Saxony | Sep 17 13:23 |
| scientes | wow this guy studied everything | Sep 17 13:23 |
| XRevan86 | I saw RMS at the end of August. Was that the last chance that I was lucky to take? | Sep 17 13:23 |
| schestowitz | yeah, I mentioned his Russia visit | Sep 17 13:24 |
| scientes | and founded Moscow Uni | Sep 17 13:24 |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/objects/a24f2ed5-b63e-40d4-b459-a51818467725 | Sep 17 13:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Pleroma | Sep 17 13:24 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR is quiet | Sep 17 13:24 |
| schestowitz | I assume busy | Sep 17 13:24 |
| XRevan86 | > Child separation (from his only 'baby') | Sep 17 13:25 |
| XRevan86 | What? | Sep 17 13:25 |
| schestowitz | gnu | Sep 17 13:29 |
| schestowitz | he calls it his baby | Sep 17 13:29 |
| schestowitz | when he speaks of having no kids and wife | Sep 17 13:30 |
| schestowitz | but there's a droll slant to that | Sep 17 13:30 |
| XRevan86 | Ah… | Sep 17 13:30 |
| schestowitz | because Microsoft helps ICE with separating kids for parents | Sep 17 13:30 |
| schestowitz | relates to the point about Epstein | Sep 17 13:30 |
| XRevan86 | I understood it more literally | Sep 17 13:30 |
| schestowitz | who also does child trafficking | Sep 17 13:30 |
| schestowitz | anyway, some people will grasp the subtle connectiomn | Sep 17 13:30 |
| XRevan86 | Considering that RMS is childfree, that surprised me much | Sep 17 13:30 |
| schestowitz | he sacrificed for freedom | Sep 17 13:31 |
| schestowitz | he's not ugly | Sep 17 13:31 |
| schestowitz | he just wants to focus on GNU and FSF | Sep 17 13:31 |
| schestowitz | now watch what FSF did to him, tables turned | Sep 17 13:31 |
| schestowitz | he wasn't paying close enough attention imho | Sep 17 13:31 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I'm not implying anything. A person of his notability wouldn't've a problem either way. | Sep 17 13:32 |
| scientes | he should go live with Snowden hehe | Sep 17 13:32 |
| zoobab | the hostility comes from inside | Sep 17 13:33 |
| zoobab | that's pretty clear | Sep 17 13:33 |
| schestowitz | money motive | Sep 17 13:33 |
| schestowitz | and power | Sep 17 13:33 |
| schestowitz | they want him removed | Sep 17 13:33 |
| schestowitz | so they can fill the vacuum | Sep 17 13:33 |
| zoobab | Boycott FSF | Sep 17 13:34 |
| scientes | how much does GPL4 cost? | Sep 17 13:34 |
| schestowitz | he had said faaar worse things | Sep 17 13:34 |
| schestowitz | but only now they bring it up | Sep 17 13:34 |
| scientes | ^^^^ | Sep 17 13:34 |
| zoobab | First let me write to SFC | Sep 17 13:34 |
| schestowitz | he actually did speak in favour of some pro-pedo groups | Sep 17 13:34 |
| schestowitz | not the same as saying legalise pedos | Sep 17 13:34 |
| alextee[m] | who can we trust to make the next gpl now? | Sep 17 13:34 |
| schestowitz | but the latest about his friend at MIT is hardly the worst | Sep 17 13:34 |
| schestowitz | sullivan [sarcasm] | Sep 17 13:35 |
| schestowitz | can you imagine him running fsf? Not much charisma | Sep 17 13:35 |
| schestowitz | "sullivan who?" | Sep 17 13:35 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxNewsToday/comments/d5fr39/as_richard_stallman_resigns_lets_consider_why/ | Sep 17 13:35 |
| scientes | schestowitz, yeah but he was talking about menarche vs pre-pubescent woman of course | Sep 17 13:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | As Richard Stallman Resigns Let's Consider Why GNU/Linux Without Stallman and Torvalds Would be a Victory to Microsoft : LinuxNewsToday | Sep 17 13:35 | |
| alextee[m] | lol i don't know much about sullivan but i'm not very confident in him | Sep 17 13:35 |
| scientes | Islam also has to deal with this all the time | Sep 17 13:35 |
| scientes | because of Aisha | Sep 17 13:36 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: remember what Pieter said | Sep 17 13:36 |
| schestowitz | don't repair broken orgs | Sep 17 13:36 |
| schestowitz | create your own | Sep 17 13:36 |
| zoobab | yes | Sep 17 13:36 |
| zoobab | let's fork | Sep 17 13:36 |
| schestowitz | figosdev said the same | Sep 17 13:36 |
| zoobab | this is also what other people say | Sep 17 13:36 |
| schestowitz | he made his own | Sep 17 13:36 |
| scientes | this is the normal state of humans, it was that was in Panama until a few years ago | Sep 17 13:36 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/08/22/library-federation/ | Sep 17 13:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Guarding and Rescuing the FSF Titanic: A Free (as in Freedom) Library, and Federation of Advocates | Techrights | Sep 17 13:37 | |
| schestowitz | zoobab: bring back ESP | Sep 17 13:37 |
| schestowitz | FFII is... weird | Sep 17 13:37 |
| scientes | its one of those things you are not allowed to question, but most non-modern literature would think the current morality is insane | Sep 17 13:37 |
| scientes | and then the westerns point fingers at china for having warehouses keep track of every woman's menstrual cycles | Sep 17 13:39 |
| scientes | If the US wanted to start a war with China they would have to buy the equitment from China | Sep 17 13:40 |
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| scientes | and its not like the woman are getting education either at universities. | Sep 17 13:44 |
| scientes | hardly anyone studies technical subjects anymore | Sep 17 13:45 |
| scientes | its mostly remedial math | Sep 17 13:45 |
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| zoobab | I thought multiple times about dropping the name | Sep 17 13:47 |
| zoobab | and I think I will restart a new one | Sep 17 13:47 |
| schestowitz | maybe we can help | Sep 17 13:49 |
| schestowitz | make you own, we'll federate | Sep 17 13:49 |
| schestowitz | as in link to each other | Sep 17 13:49 |
| schestowitz | also bridge over IRC | Sep 17 13:49 |
| zoobab | also associations are a thing of the past | Sep 17 13:49 |
| schestowitz | they may be | Sep 17 13:49 |
| zoobab | they only exist because of money | Sep 17 13:50 |
| schestowitz | in the past things were different, pre-Net | Sep 17 13:50 |
| zoobab | bank accounts, etc... | Sep 17 13:50 |
| schestowitz | not everyone could issue and telegram/transmit press releases | Sep 17 13:50 |
| zoobab | as bank accounts will vapourize at some point | Sep 17 13:50 |
| schestowitz | is wikidot still developed? | Sep 17 13:50 |
| scientes | zoobab, and the electricity grid wont? | Sep 17 13:50 |
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| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/Zh3Yz3PiXZw heh | Sep 17 13:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Alternative Math | Short Film - YouTube | Sep 17 13:54 | |
| schestowitz | "And as 'weird' as Stallman is, he is also correct in his assessment of corporate takeover of software. | Sep 17 13:56 |
| schestowitz | "Stallman foresaw the likes of #Microsoft (E-corp)." | Sep 17 13:56 |
| schestowitz | https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=19/09/17/0256201 | Sep 17 13:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Richard M. Stallman Resigns - SoylentNews | Sep 17 13:56 | |
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| scientes | I can't do the stupid identify politics however | Sep 17 14:40 |
| XRevan86 | It's also somewhat ironic that people who are obsessed with wording got so upset at RMS' rant about wording. | Sep 17 14:42 |
| schestowitz | true | Sep 17 15:00 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/redhog_org/status/1173957215385989120 | Sep 17 15:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@redhog_org: Right now, I don't think I dare writing much about it - I haven't read up enough on the details to know how to not… https://t.co/a7qk7xRRla | Sep 17 15:00 | |
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| zoobab | @schestowitz no idea, I think Pieter predicted it's gonna die at some point | Sep 17 16:25 |
| schestowitz | everything died eventually | Sep 17 16:26 |
| schestowitz | the question is how long | Sep 17 16:27 |
| schestowitz | FB and Microsoft too will die | Sep 17 16:27 |
| schestowitz | but hopefully soon | Sep 17 16:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Stallman has a personality type where it isn't possible for him to work with others. | Sep 17 16:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And if you use the GPL without changing it a bit, then it allows the FSF to change what the license for your software says later, without your permission. | Sep 17 16:27 |
| zoobab | GPL is too complex, I had a draft for a "simple copyleft license" | Sep 17 16:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The whole system was set up so that the FSF could remotely hijack Free Software projects even if they didn3have copyright assignment. | Sep 17 16:30 |
| zoobab | few lines in simple english | Sep 17 16:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nano left and then came back. | Sep 17 16:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I guess after assigning the copyright to most of it to the FSF, they must have been threatened with a fork or something. | Sep 17 16:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.gnome.org/~michael/blog/2019-09-17-rms.html | Sep 17 16:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 503 @ https://www.gnome.org/~michael/blog/2019-09-17-rms.html ) | Sep 17 16:30 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | If the FSF doesn't make a broken fork, Debian might. | Sep 17 16:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They tried with ffmpeg. | Sep 17 16:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And cdrtools. | Sep 17 16:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Cdrkit never improved much and there are still bugs that are obviously never going to be fixed. | Sep 17 16:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But ffmpeg is much bigger and more widely used and so people complained when "libav" was broken and full of security holes. | Sep 17 16:32 |
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| XRevan86 | > The same sites which distorted RMS words now paint him as a pedo | Sep 17 17:11 |
| XRevan86 | When will people understand that being intimate with anyone below 25 is paedophilic? | Sep 17 17:12 |
| XRevan86 | It's pretty interesting how the word changed when it stopped being medical. | Sep 17 17:12 |
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| *XRevan86 looked in https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pedophilia and found this word: primary attraction towards <..> is known as <..> post-pubescent adolescents as ephebophilia | Sep 17 17:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | pedophilia - Wiktionary | Sep 17 17:16 | |
| a1batross | Yeah, same as "toleration". It's more biological term. | Sep 17 17:17 |
| a1batross | At least, was for me... a long ago. | Sep 17 17:18 |
| a1batross | Also, good evening/morning/etc. | Sep 17 17:18 |
| XRevan86 | a1batross: hi | Sep 17 17:18 |
| XRevan86 | a1batross: Well, I mean that the word changed literally as well, got much broader to extend the stigma it got. | Sep 17 17:19 |
| XRevan86 | "toleration" is just repurposed for more meanings | Sep 17 17:19 |
| XRevan86 | It's still enduring/allowing something, just not only poisons or infections but also people with other points of view, looks, etc. | Sep 17 17:20 |
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| XRevan86 | My point is is that they intentionally misuse the term to make the offence appear bigger. Emotional manipulation. | Sep 17 17:35 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Moving Firefox to a faster 4-week release cycle http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128230 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d0364f41-2bfd-4a5b-9342-ee67588256dd] | Sep 17 17:43 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Towards a UX Strategy for GNOME (Part 3) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128231 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9196a2fc-991c-4eb3-b0ed-1c1f94db1073] | Sep 17 17:45 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Getting GNOME 3.34 on Various GNU/Linux Distros http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128232 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7dc669c3-8f81-4398-b9cb-7eba36780f53] | Sep 17 17:46 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128233 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b8e95dd6-690b-4941-aed2-f1ebdb1f43b0] | Sep 17 18:01 | |
| MinceR | 17 142440 < schestowitz> MinceR is quiet | Sep 17 18:23 |
| MinceR | i'm on a business trip | Sep 17 18:23 |
| schestowitz | that's what she said :-> | Sep 17 18:23 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 17 18:24 |
| XRevan86 | and then smoke went through her nostrils | Sep 17 18:26 |
| *XRevan86 waits for his The Worse "Trip" Pun Joke to Date Award. | Sep 17 18:28 | |
| XRevan86 | * Worst | Sep 17 18:28 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 17/9/2019: CentOS 7.7 and Funtoo Linux 1.4 Released http://techrights.org/2019/09/17/centos-7-7-release/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/f717d869-aec4-42f1-a302-ffbc25bdcfb9] | Sep 17 18:46 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GNU community announces ‘Parallel GCC’ for parallelism in real-world compilers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128235 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f21d6105-1aaa-4cef-bcd0-004df4e4d8c8] | Sep 17 18:48 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128237 [https://pleroma.site/objects/dbfe8fde-1056-4345-ba4a-4413aaeba831] | Sep 17 19:32 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Updates, Drama and FUD http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128238 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e06d5dfb-60ed-44a9-b2a7-338a28c868a0] | Sep 17 19:35 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OSGeoLive 13.0 Released, which Brings Some New Applications http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128239 [https://pleroma.site/objects/dfe869a8-b56b-4c65-ad51-705e67971c98] | Sep 17 19:48 | |
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| XFaCE | schestowitz: MinceR: "[A]fter today the only threat remaining to us from the Alpha Quadrant are the Klingons and the Federation. And I doubt either of them will be a threat for much longer." | Sep 17 19:55 |
| XFaCE | It's amazing the similarities in tactics between the Dominion and Microsoft | Sep 17 19:56 |
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| cubexyz | I had to use win10 the other day | Sep 17 20:05 |
| XRevan86 | Divide and Conquer? | Sep 17 20:05 |
| XFaCE | XRevan86: definitely | Sep 17 20:05 |
| cubexyz | it's awful, it pumps out ads all the time | Sep 17 20:05 |
| cubexyz | just pops up even if the browser isn't used | Sep 17 20:06 |
| cubexyz | it's a look at what M$ has in store for everyone | Sep 17 20:13 |
| psydroid | they might think they are winning, but it will turn out to be nothing more than a Pyrrhic victory | Sep 17 20:14 |
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| test-speaker | anyone home? | Sep 17 20:15 |
| cubexyz | yes | Sep 17 20:15 |
| test-speaker | i just stumbled onto this site... | Sep 17 20:15 |
| test-speaker | do a lot of ppl discuss patent issues here? | Sep 17 20:16 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz does | Sep 17 20:16 |
| test-speaker | am i correct in assuming this site is about eliminating software patents all together? | Sep 17 20:16 |
| cubexyz | yes, among other things | Sep 17 20:17 |
| test-speaker | how do ya'll approach hardware patents? | Sep 17 20:17 |
| test-speaker | ??? | Sep 17 20:18 |
| cubexyz | well, I personally don't worry about patents in general | Sep 17 20:18 |
| cubexyz | there's the 20 year limit | Sep 17 20:18 |
| test-speaker | then what is this channel for? | Sep 17 20:19 |
| XFaCE | Pinging @schestowitz | Sep 17 20:19 |
| cubexyz | mostly it's FOSS advocacy, but everyone is different | Sep 17 20:20 |
| cubexyz | promoting slackware, openbsd, gnu/linux, or whatever | Sep 17 20:21 |
| test-speaker | ok...thanks for the info | Sep 17 20:21 |
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| XFaCE | And issue involving FOSS - lobbying/influence, software patents, government action, corporate action | Sep 17 20:22 |
| XFaCE | *issues | Sep 17 20:22 |
| cubexyz | and bitching :) | Sep 17 20:22 |
| XFaCE | I think they left | Sep 17 20:22 |
| XFaCE | Yep | Sep 17 20:23 |
| cubexyz | corporations are generally not very benevolent | Sep 17 20:23 |
| XFaCE | cubexyz: I wouldn't be surprised if that was a media contact | Sep 17 20:24 |
| cubexyz | I don't feel SONY or HP are much better than microsoft | Sep 17 20:24 |
| cubexyz | XFaCE, could be | Sep 17 20:24 |
| cubexyz | just fishing for info | Sep 17 20:24 |
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| cubexyz | SONY did do one good thing though | Sep 17 20:27 |
| cubexyz | the bravia series... the KDL ones, were linux based TVs | Sep 17 20:28 |
| __martin__ | evening, just read through https://sfconservancy.org/news/2019/sep/16/rms-does-not-speak-for-us/ | Sep 17 20:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sfconservancy.org | Richard Stallman Does Not and Cannot Speak for the Free Software Movement - Software Freedom Conservancy | Sep 17 20:28 | |
| psydroid | I'd rather have SONY than HP or MS, though | Sep 17 20:29 |
| __martin__ | let's hope the bsd & gnu "camp" merge occurs next year | Sep 17 20:29 |
| cubexyz | well SONY isn't the worst | Sep 17 20:29 |
| cubexyz | but they don't help with service manuals or spare parts | Sep 17 20:30 |
| psydroid | I understand that could be a problem | Sep 17 20:31 |
| XFaCE | __martin__: can you elaborate? | Sep 17 20:31 |
| __martin__ | FSFE "welcomes the decision" https://fsfe.org/news/2019/news-20190917-01.en.html | Sep 17 20:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fsfe.org | Richard Stallman resigns as president of the Free Software Foundation | Sep 17 20:32 | |
| cubexyz | didn't Ubuntu do something with BSD? | Sep 17 20:32 |
| cubexyz | UbunutuBSD or something | Sep 17 20:32 |
| XFaCE | Debian did | Sep 17 20:32 |
| psydroid | but the way I see it HP and MS are joined at the hip, whether that is done voluntarily or by coercion | Sep 17 20:32 |
| MinceR | what does FSFE have to do with BSD? | Sep 17 20:33 |
| __martin__ | XFaCE: something along these lines https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-BSD-Should-Work-Together | Sep 17 20:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FreeBSD's Executive Director Calls For Linux + BSD Devs To Work Together - Phoronix | Sep 17 20:33 | |
| cubexyz | psydroid, I talked to the old HP people at Greeley | Sep 17 20:33 |
| MinceR | Debian did GNU/kFreeBSD, which was then killed off and they denied that it was because systemd won't run on kFreeBSD | Sep 17 20:33 |
| cubexyz | it all went south back in 2001... | Sep 17 20:33 |
| MinceR | it "just happened" to be at the same time | Sep 17 20:33 |
| cubexyz | anything Unix, OS2, DOS or Linux related got shoved to the back burner or stopped entirely | Sep 17 20:34 |
| XFaCE | __martin__: spread systemd further? No thanks. | Sep 17 20:35 |
| XFaCE | Lol | Sep 17 20:35 |
| __martin__ | XFaCE: don't worry, atm I'm on a distro without systemd, runit to be precise | Sep 17 20:35 |
| XFaCE | Void linux | Sep 17 20:35 |
| __martin__ | but I had a friend in Red Hat | Sep 17 20:36 |
| __martin__ | who turned out sort of paedophile | Sep 17 20:36 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 17 20:36 |
| cubexyz | HP made that duplexer for the laserjet which was interesting | Sep 17 20:36 |
| XFaCE | That escalated quickly | Sep 17 20:36 |
| cubexyz | so the engineering part is decent, or at least it was decent in the past | Sep 17 20:36 |
| MinceR | not sure about that | Sep 17 20:37 |
| MinceR | the HP LaserJet 4L had utterly horrible paper handling | Sep 17 20:37 |
| MinceR | and the HP ProBook i use at work has trash firmware and display | Sep 17 20:37 |
| cubexyz | hmmm, did you ever use the HP 5 series? | Sep 17 20:37 |
| cubexyz | those were pretty good | Sep 17 20:38 |
| cubexyz | and an old HP 4L probably would need pickup roller replacment | Sep 17 20:38 |
| cubexyz | replacement | Sep 17 20:38 |
| MinceR | no | Sep 17 20:39 |
| MinceR | and it was crap back when it was new, too | Sep 17 20:39 |
| psydroid | cubeyz, I know, which is why it's sad what HP has become, but I have little sympathy left for the company these days | Sep 17 20:40 |
| XFaCE | Which HP? | Sep 17 20:41 |
| XFaCE | There's two of them now. | Sep 17 20:41 |
| MinceR | that's two more than should be | Sep 17 20:42 |
| psydroid | my laptop is a Zbook Studio G3 running Linux, but I need to have Windows installed to update firmwares | Sep 17 20:42 |
| psydroid | both | Sep 17 20:42 |
| cubexyz | I'm not sure what to recommend these days | Sep 17 20:42 |
| XFaCE | Build your own | Sep 17 20:42 |
| MinceR | laptops? | Sep 17 20:43 |
| XFaCE | Unless you mean laptops specifically | Sep 17 20:43 |
| XFaCE | Yeah just got that :P | Sep 17 20:43 |
| cubexyz | XFaCE, yes laptops could be a problem | Sep 17 20:43 |
| MinceR | i've had good experience with ThinkPads and an EeePC | Sep 17 20:43 |
| MinceR | oh, and another Asus | Sep 17 20:43 |
| XFaCE | And not everyone can rely on used thinkpads with libre boot | Sep 17 20:43 |
| MinceR | but ThinkPads definitely got worse since the X60s | Sep 17 20:43 |
| MinceR | even the TrackPoint is worse | Sep 17 20:44 |
| XFaCE | The keyboard especially went downhill | Sep 17 20:44 |
| MinceR | yeah, that one's obvious | Sep 17 20:45 |
| XFaCE | But bears repeating because the cheapening is so egregious there | Sep 17 20:47 |
| psydroid | the current computer industry is deeply incestuous and also ill and I would go as far as saying moribund, so I am not really surprised | Sep 17 20:50 |
| MinceR | the whole of humanity is like that too | Sep 17 20:51 |
| psydroid | which does make me wonder what we are even doing living on this planet | Sep 17 20:55 |
| MinceR | going extinct and taking most eukaryotes with us | Sep 17 20:55 |
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| XFaCE | Eukaryotes? | Sep 17 21:03 |
| XRevan86 | cells with a core | Sep 17 21:03 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eukaryote | Sep 17 21:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Eukaryote - Wikipedia | Sep 17 21:04 | |
| XFaCE | It's been too long since biology class :P | Sep 17 21:17 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 17 21:17 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I think Stallman went entirely too far when he suggested a 12 year old can consent to sex with 50-60 year olds. | Sep 17 21:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I can't see why anyone would defend that or want him as the face of the FSF. | Sep 17 21:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Their focus hasn't been on GNU in years anyway, as pointed out before. I wonder if the FSF should even exist. | Sep 17 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: But clearly just out of pure ignorance. Which he admitted himself. That's from a very old post after all. | Sep 17 21:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most of their software has been hijacked by Red Hat, the Linux Foundation, and Microsoft anyway. | Sep 17 21:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's the opposite of what they claimed they wanted. | Sep 17 21:44 |
| scientes | people sell themselves all the time | Sep 17 21:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Did something change between then and now where him holding that opinion was okay at the time? | Sep 17 21:44 |
| MinceR | the FSF gave up a while ago anyway | Sep 17 21:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Western society has turned 26 into the new 18 anyway. | Sep 17 21:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And going that route is ridiculous in some aspects. | Sep 17 21:45 |
| scientes | MinceR, the trackpoint is out of patent | Sep 17 21:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If the previous generation never dies off or moves out of the way and lets the next one thrive, then society suffers the consequences. | Sep 17 21:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We're getting to the point where my generation is pushing 40 and is still belittled as kids who don't deserve to have an opinion. | Sep 17 21:46 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I wasn't aware GNU is even a thing at the time, so I cannot answer that. | Sep 17 21:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We don't deserve to have an opinion, but please keep taking out student loans and using credit cards. Why aren't you all buying houses? | Sep 17 21:46 |
| MinceR | scientes: that's nice, but who's making them? | Sep 17 21:47 |
| XRevan86 | I guess the movement against bad opinions wasn't as strong back then. | Sep 17 21:47 |
| MinceR | Lenovo still has everything it takes to make the good ones, yet they don't | Sep 17 21:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | OMG you're killing McDonalds (despite the fact that I eat there often) and you're treating your pets like kids (since I can't have kids or afford them). | Sep 17 21:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or nobody really much paid attention to Stallman back then. | Sep 17 21:47 |
| MinceR | it would be nice to have a small standalone TrackPoint i could stick next to my keyboard or something | Sep 17 21:48 |
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| cubexyz | the trackpoint thing seems to be extinct | Sep 17 22:30 |
| cubexyz | ah, there's one... Lenovo X230 | Sep 17 22:34 |
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| XRevan86 | > E: Failed to fetch http://deb.devuan.org/merged/pool/DEBIAN/main/f/freetype/libfreetype6_2.9.1-3+deb10u1_amd64.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 2001:638:a000:1021:21::1 80] | Sep 17 23:29 |
| XRevan86 | huh | Sep 17 23:29 |
| XRevan86 | $ curl -4 -I 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged/pool/DEBIAN/main/f/freetype/libfreetype6_2.9.1-3+deb10u1_amd64.deb' | head -n1 | Sep 17 23:31 |
| XRevan86 | HTTP/1.1 302 Found | Sep 17 23:31 |
| XRevan86 | $ curl -6 -I 'http://deb.devuan.org/merged/pool/DEBIAN/main/f/freetype/libfreetype6_2.9.1-3+deb10u1_amd64.deb' | Sep 17 23:31 |
| XRevan86 | HTTP/1.1 302 Moved Temporarily | Sep 17 23:31 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Can you relay that to Devuan people? | Sep 17 23:31 |
| XRevan86 | oops | Sep 17 23:32 |
| XRevan86 | HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found | Sep 17 23:32 |
| XRevan86 | wrong copypaste | Sep 17 23:32 |
| XRevan86 | that's the second answer | Sep 17 23:32 |
| XRevan86 | That happens on a VPS in the US. | Sep 17 23:33 |
| XRevan86 | Okay, now it rotated to something working. | Sep 17 23:34 |
| XRevan86 | The questionable address is in the error message though. | Sep 17 23:37 |
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