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[00:02]	kingoffrance	agree with vZS1    unix was also because multics supposedly had an opposite philosophy. that was the big mainframe one size fits all thing.    workplaces? unix was for programmers.   and depending who you read they bolted a word processor on to avoid getting canned IIRC.   oh we werent writing an os after you told us not to, secretly borrwing psychology depts computers because you took ours away and told us not to implement, ju
[00:02]	kingoffrance	st design.    we really were writing a word processor! for business!
[00:02]	kingoffrance	i guess, such things depend on who you read
[00:02]	kingoffrance	but funny how the business ppl steal it
[00:03]	kingoffrance	this was our idea
[00:03]	kingoffrance	no, your idea was multics
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[00:03]	kingoffrance	thats why bell said no more ideas please
[00:03]	kingoffrance	and took their computers away
[00:04]	kingoffrance	just draw on the whiteboard 
[00:05]	kingoffrance	something something they watned to port a game too
[00:06]	kingoffrance	was bell in the video game market?
[00:06]	kingoffrance	was there even a market?
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[00:08]	kingoffrance	i cant tell you how many schools offer troff classes as their teach office suite to ppl
[00:08]	kingoffrance	mainly because its fiction
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[00:20]	DaemonFC[m]	I read about Dave Cutler at Microsoft, one of the people who designed Windows NT, "having a hatred of all things UNIX", but I never saw a source for that.
[00:27]	kingoffrance	im not knocking multics either, and ive heard conflicting stories, its just...
[00:27]	kingoffrance	i mean hey, if you want to define business world and decisions being made by programmers
[00:28]	kingoffrance	im cool with that
[00:28]	kingoffrance	just sounds like neverneverland
[00:28]	kingoffrance	literally the programming in unix env. paper says its for programmers IIRC
[00:28]	kingoffrance	the pipeline thing i mean
[00:28]	kingoffrance	which is the do one thing at a time thing
[00:29]	kingoffrance	again, someone had a more complex idea. they passed 
[00:29]	kingoffrance	*define business world as decisions
[00:30]	kingoffrance	i can imagine at some point secretaries did word process with pipelines, so i will entertain the thought that was a thing at some point for some locations
[00:31]	kingoffrance	you only have to look at any modern office suite to see if that is still the case
[00:31]	kingoffrance	on any os
[00:32]	kingoffrance	im all for that, but i dont think thats what most ppl would call a normal workplace 
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[00:36]	kingoffrance	someone linked a cpl article/paper in another channel ; the mainframe batch thing did have multiple streams beyond stdin/out/err
[00:36]	kingoffrance	so clearly they broke with that, although surely differed across mainframe things
[00:36]	kingoffrance	and c was arguably a slimmed down cpl was the point of that article
[00:37]	kingoffrance	http://www.ancientgeek.org.uk/CPL/CPL_Elementary_Programming_Manual.pdf   you can see many similarities
[00:38]	kingoffrance	i dont thikn cpl was business necessarily, academia maybe the article seemed to hint, but nevertheless -- they appear to me to have broke with mainframe things 
[00:39]	kingoffrance	just like vZS1 says -- portability was not really a mainframe thing from everything ive ever heard.   you bought a machine with a service contract with os.   you didnt shop around for an os
[00:40]	kingoffrance	maybe if you were lucky they gave you a few choices
[00:42]	kingoffrance	point being: again, a slimmed down from the mainframe stuff
[00:42]	kingoffrance	and from the dreams of academia
[00:47]	kingoffrance	im open to corrections if cpl was for a microcomputer or something
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[01:31]	XRevan86	Can't wait for the Putin's press-conference.
[01:32]	XRevan86	There will be *a lot* of news after that.
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[07:41]	vZS1	UNIX was always meant to be for programmers. Every now and then the people supplying the cash in Bell Labs had to be placated with an "enterprise" program or two.
[07:42]	vZS1	Sun's UNIX work is definitely more along the business-minded programming. But not Bell Labs. The team at Bell Labs were mainly interested in having fun with a computer.
[07:46]	vZS1	Most people don't get UNIX because they fail to realise the OS is the development environment. You're supposed to hack things to meet your needs. GNU is definitely not UNIX because of this. Too much taboo around forking programs and trying out different ideas.
[07:48]	vZS1	Linux and BSD also have the same taboo around forking
[07:50]	vZS1	So now you have mostly "developers" that are illiterate about how a computer works. "Muh IDE!"
[07:52]	vZS1	GIAFAM are the next incarnation of the forking taboo. All the UNIX descendants are controlled by their interests, upstream.
[07:54]	vZS1	The bloat is one of the ways they control the ecosystem. You can do your computing with a lot less than standard packaging today.
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● Dec 17
[08:03]	vZS1	The spyware travesty is also bad because most users are just targets for data farming and Ad targets.
[08:04]	schestowitz	https://lwn.net/Articles/839397/
[08:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The future for general-purpose computing [LWN.net]
[08:04]	schestowitz	is this the future
[08:04]	schestowitz	imperialistic control over what programs we can run on 'our' PCs?
[08:06]	schestowitz	I see some Moderna propaganda todat
[08:06]	schestowitz	even latched onto the "LINUX" brand
[08:06]	schestowitz	they say, in corporate media, that based on their secret data, it's "highly effective"
[08:06]	schestowitz	seems like marketing in 'news' clothing to nme
[08:06]	schestowitz	showing a bunch of troops getting jabs
[08:06]	schestowitz	and women of course
[08:07]	schestowitz	"support the troops"... buy from Moderna
[08:07]	schestowitz	this is getting ridiculous
[08:08]	vZS1	This situation boils down to the trust the public places in the hands of companies like Apple.
[08:08]	vZS1	If you buy an Apple product you are already a lost cause.
[08:11]	vZS1	Lack of computing literacy is also an issue
[08:11]	vZS1	Because people that have computing literacy are less likely to be duped
[08:12]	vZS1	Fig's article touching on computing literacy hit the nail on the head
[08:14]	vZS1	People learning about computing only learn what GIAFAM want. It's designed to dumb people down, reduce competition, and market their ecosystems
[08:25]	search_social	luckily humans are good at torching ecosystems
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[08:39]	schestowitz	vZS1: yes
[08:39]	schestowitz	the hope is, unrest and fatigue will help drive alternatives
[08:39]	schestowitz	like gnu and then linux grew out of disdain for the status quo
[08:41]	schestowitz	vZS1: are the videos generally OK? I got limited feedback on those
[08:42]	schestowitz	they're spontaneous and not scripted, but at least they're very fast to make, it's the upload which takes the chunk of time
● Dec 17
[09:06]	psydroid	<vZS1 "Linux and BSD also have the same"> The taboo around forking should go, as it should have happened a long time ago in multiple directions
[09:07]	schestowitz	the kernel?
[09:07]	schestowitz	or in general?
[09:08]	psydroid	in general, I would say
[09:16]	schestowitz	forks do need a good reason
[09:17]	schestowitz	otherwise they perish
[09:17]	schestowitz	they never get off the ground
[09:17]	schestowitz	take glimpse for example
[09:17]	schestowitz	forking gimp or something... because of the name gimp
[09:17]	schestowitz	gimp is an acronym
[09:17]	schestowitz	I know the guy behind it
[09:17]	schestowitz	bobby moss, used to be at bt and some linux mag (forgot which one, maybe linux format)
[09:18]	schestowitz	I mean, do you really think people will flock to gimp just because the word (acronym) gimp offends them?
[09:18]	schestowitz	if he said, OK, let's make a qt-based fork.
[09:18]	schestowitz	then fine
[09:18]	schestowitz	but still, it's a massive job
[09:18]	schestowitz	because gimp is vast
[09:19]	schestowitz	linux is also too big to fork
[09:19]	schestowitz	too many changes, from too many people
[09:19]	schestowitz	you can at best branch it with automation/scripts like oliva does
[09:22]	schestowitz	Latest pfizer: if you got our vaccine and still died, blame storage temperature. Ad hoc clinical trials. We're still finding out about allergies, other issues... on the go. You do NOT develop vaccination in MONTHS.
[09:23]	psydroid	but all of that doesn't mean that forking is a bad thing per se
[09:24]	psydroid	useless and unviable forks will wither away, as they should
[09:24]	schestowitz	that can split and duplicate effort
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[09:27]	psydroid	that's the standard reasoning against forking, but what I see with GNU/Linux in particular is that it has allowed and perhaps even enabled a number of big tech corporations to take total control over the development process
[09:29]	schestowitz	but wait
[09:29]	schestowitz	let's be clear what we're talking about
[09:29]	schestowitz	gnu, linux, something else?
[09:30]	schestowitz	kwin was recently forked
[09:30]	schestowitz	and there was apparently no good reason for it
[09:30]	schestowitz	Martin did not even develop in parallel
[09:30]	schestowitz	so it could instead just be continued
[09:30]	schestowitz	similar to openoffice except trademark aspect
[09:33]	psydroid	I think forking was mentioned in the context of GNU/Linux and BSD in particular, but maybe I'm mistaken about that
[09:35]	schestowitz	bsd has forks
[09:35]	schestowitz	that's why so many bsds exist
[09:35]	schestowitz	and because of the licence there are even more out there that you cannot see
[09:38]	psydroid	I don't see that as a bad thing, though
[09:40]	psydroid	multiple operating systems under GPL borrowing code from each other would amount to something similar
● Dec 17
[10:09]	Ariadne	https://thwack.solarwinds.com/t5/Geek-Speak-Blogs/The-Pros-and-Cons-of-Open-source-Tools/ba-p/478665
[10:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thwack.solarwinds.com | The Pros and Cons of Open-source Tools - THWACK
[10:09]	Ariadne	using open source is like using a dirty fork
[10:09]	Ariadne	according to solarwinds
[10:10]	Ariadne	i would like to know what using solarwinds orion is like then 
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[10:22]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2020/12/17/google-is-clownready/
[10:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Google is Going After Whats Left of Microsofts Dominance: MalwareOS or the Installed Base of Windows | Techrights
[10:22]	schestowitz	may be lots of typos still
[10:25]	vZS1	> vZS1: are the videos generally OK? I got limited feedback on those
[10:26]	vZS1	I have only watched the one on linux.com and I enjoyed it. I'll watch more this evening. I think it's okay to make short unscripted stuff. It keeps the ball rolling for that format of information for people that prefer videos.
[10:28]	vZS1	Any fork is legitimate. I have forked many things where I'm the only user of the fork. Sometimes I send patches upstream if I think the project would be interested.
[10:30]	vZS1	People should hack software to meet their own needs. 
[10:33]	Techrights-sec	Putting ChromeOS on old notebooks is a way of preventing general-purpose
[10:33]	Techrights-sec	computer operating systems like GNU/Linux or *BSD from landing on them.
[10:33]	Techrights-sec	Bot hM$ and Google and Apple want to prevent that and all of them 
[10:33]	Techrights-sec	depend on preventing that.
[10:33]	Techrights-sec	Isn't ChromeOS based remotely on Gentoo or something?
[10:35]	vZS1	A fork doesn't need more than 1 user to be successful. This anti-fork mentality is a big reason why we ended up with the monopolies of today
[10:36]	scientes	fork-knife-spoon
[10:36]	scientes	Techrights-sec, that is not what it is about
[10:37]	scientes	as evidenced by chromebooks not being available in Peru and other countries that cannot afford windows laptops
[10:38]	scientes	Techrights-sec, strategically it was just a windows destabilization move
[10:38]	vZS1	You can only change one line of code for it to be a legitimate fork
[10:38]	vZS1	There's so many toxic myths around forking
[10:39]	scientes	git was created for forks
[10:39]	scientes	and linux is about forking
[10:39]	vZS1	You don't even need to know the whole codebase to fork something
[10:39]	scientes	duh
[10:39]	vZS1	You just work on the bits that are relevant to you
[10:39]	scientes	I suspect you haven't written anything
[10:42]	vZS1	It doesn't matter what the software is nor it's size.
[10:42]	vZS1	s/it's/its
[10:43]	vZS1	When there are a lot of forks, it means there are a lot of people that know how something works. This is ultimately why forking is demonised.
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[10:46]	vZS1	The people in control don't like competition. 
[10:48]	vZS1	They can't implement their tactics that rely on monopoly and hegemony over an ecosystem
[10:48]	vZS1	When there are loads of forks floating around
[10:50]	vZS1	More importantly, when there are many people around capable of forking something
[10:55]	search_social	guess so
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[12:11]	Techrights-sec	https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/12/17/beet-d17.html
[12:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wsws.org | The contemporary relevance of Ludwig van Beethoven on the 250th anniversary of his birth - World Socialist Web Site
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[12:40]	AVRS	Hi. https://www.cnews.ru/news/top/2020-12-17_microsoft_i_mts_pridumalikak
[12:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnews.ru | Microsoft , 5G - CNews
[12:40]	AVRS	Microsoft and Russian telco MTS join their IoT forces.
[12:57]	schestowitz	I thought they chose Canonical
[12:57]	schestowitz	https://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/12/world/europe/12raids.html
[12:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Russia Uses Microsoft to Suppress Dissent - The New York Times
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[13:03]	AVRS	MTS already runs Azure Stack (software) on its servers
[13:04]	AVRS	since 2017, according to that article
[13:15]	schestowitz	so mindless PR stunt?
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[13:38]	zoobab	anyone at the virtual EPO conference on swpats/AI?
[13:38]	zoobab	no more login
[13:38]	zoobab	https://www.epo.org/news-events/events/conferences/ai2020.html
[13:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - The role of patents in an AI driven world
[13:38]	zoobab	like last time
[13:38]	AVRS	schestowitz: what exactly do you mean?
[13:39]	AVRS	MTS is one of the about four largest cellular operators.
[13:39]	zoobab	tried to register, it is too late, because
[13:39]	MinceR	17 084253 < vZS1> Sun's UNIX work is definitely more along the business-minded programming.
[13:39]	MinceR	maybe that's why it sucks so hard
[13:39]	zoobab	they advertise it the same dat
[13:39]	zoobab	day
[13:40]	MinceR	> GNU is definitely not UNIX because of this.
[13:40]	MinceR	no, it's not Unix because the code in it has a different origin
[13:40]	MinceR	in the good old days we had so much invention (and forking) going on in the GNU/Linux community
[13:48]	zoobab	livestream at 3PM here:
[13:48]	zoobab	https://www.epo.org/news-events/events/conferences/ai2020/broadcast.html
[13:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - Broadcast
[13:51]	MinceR	https://assets.amuniversal.com/dee045a0a4c70137b656005056a9545d   ( https://dilbert.com/strip/2019-09-10 )
[13:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cause Of Unhappiness - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2019-09-10 | Dilbert by Scott Adams
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[14:04]	AVRS	Who started "Linux/GNOME/X11"?
[14:04]	schestowitz	mankind
[14:04]	AVRS	Nah, the phrase.
[14:05]	AVRS	Example: https://bugzil.la/1675766
[14:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.mozilla.org | 1675766 - Ship Linux WebRender MVP to release
[14:06]	AVRS	I think I've also seen it in some blog recently, title something like "Linux is not a platform", but it's not https://linuxgamecast.com/2019/12/lwdw-200-linux-is-not-a-platform/
[14:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LWDW 200: Linux Is Not A Platform LinuxGameCast
[14:07]	schestowitz	Linux is an OS kernel
[14:07]	schestowitz	a very extensive one, lots of drivers
[14:07]	schestowitz	many hardware bits supported
[14:07]	schestowitz	the rest does not matter
[14:07]	schestowitz	"OS"
[14:07]	schestowitz	"platform"
[14:07]	schestowitz	those are English terms and technical terms
[14:07]	schestowitz	but then you can talk about what constitutes a synonym of kernel
[14:07]	schestowitz	GNU is a collection is many programs
[14:07]	AVRS	It looks like a replacement for "GNU/Linux/X11"
[14:08]	schestowitz	X11 does lots of graphics interfaces
[14:08]	schestowitz	GNU is an early one
[14:08]	schestowitz	1983
[14:08]	schestowitz	is x11 still mit licence 100%?
[14:09]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2020/09/18/keith-packard-on-rms/
[14:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Keith Packard: Richard Stallman Was Right (About the GPL) | Techrights
[14:09]	schestowitz	rianne is trying to find my old external webcams
[14:09]	MinceR	(audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYNzqgU7na4
[14:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why are British place names so hard to pronounce? - YouTube
[14:09]	schestowitz	we might use that for some videos... I have not used it for over 8 years
[14:09]	schestowitz	MinceR: usually Welsh places
[14:10]	MinceR	not really
[14:10]	schestowitz	because they're not read like they're written by our measure of "English"
[14:10]	MinceR	they seem to be more regular than this -cester, -w- and similar bullshit :>
[14:10]	schestowitz	it is kind of bullshitty
[14:11]	schestowitz	if you're not from here or there, you have to memorise these to not look or sound foolish
[14:11]	schestowitz	never mind accents
[14:13]	zoobab	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FxY_NAE-E4
[14:13]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The role of patents in an AI driven world - DAY 1 - YouTube
[14:13]	zoobab	Campinos live
[14:13]	zoobab	need to fetch kids
[14:13]	zoobab	tried to dl with youtube-dl, failed
[14:14]	schestowitz	is it just another one of those "HEY HI is great" events?
[14:14]	schestowitz	not even an event
[14:14]	schestowitz	some f*ers on a computer
[14:14]	zoobab	AI
[14:14]	schestowitz	talking to cameras...
[14:14]	schestowitz	and they mean swpats
[14:14]	schestowitz	surely
[14:14]	zoobab	all over
[14:14]	schestowitz	is there a web page for this? Or did they just "tweet" about it?
[14:14]	zoobab	tweet
[14:15]	schestowitz	to "impress" the AC this week?
[14:15]	zoobab	read my last tweets
[14:15]	schestowitz	I won't
[14:15]	schestowitz	you need to post outside twitter
[14:15]	schestowitz	twitter is another Fb now
[14:15]	zoobab	https://www.epo.org/news-events/events/conferences/ai2020.html
[14:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - The role of patents in an AI driven world
[14:15]	zoobab	https://www.epo.org/news-events/events/conferences/ai2020/broadcast.html
[14:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - Broadcast
[14:15]	schestowitz	this morning it officially stopped working without JS
[14:16]	schestowitz	Twitter today is no longer accessible without proprietary spyware
[14:16]	zoobab	https://www.epo.org/news-events/events/conferences/ai2020/programme.html
[14:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - Programme
[14:16]	zoobab	time for fucker
[14:16]	zoobab	mirror Twitter to newsgroups
[14:18]	schestowitz	if you capture video...
[14:18]	schestowitz	I will play it back and do a video rbuttal
[14:18]	schestowitz	I'm checking if I can find my very old webcam
[14:19]	zoobab	epo said it will be online afterwards
[14:19]	schestowitz	ah, youtube I guess
[14:19]	schestowitz	so I can use it from there
[14:19]	schestowitz	please post the tweets here
[14:19]	schestowitz	regarding this issue
[14:19]	schestowitz	instead of that site
[14:20]	schestowitz	this way they're mirrored in logs also
[14:20]	schestowitz	I wait for pleroma.site to come back online along with pleroma.fr
[14:20]	schestowitz	we lost the bot due to that downtime
[14:28]	schestowitz	zoobab: I will do a quick blog post about it
[14:28]	schestowitz	try to capture the video of campinos in case they don't make it available afterwards
[14:34]	smnthermes	> [11:06:29] AVRS: I think I've also seen it in some blog recently, title something like "Linux is not a platform"
[14:34]	smnthermes	https://blogs.gnome.org/tbernard/2019/12/04/there-is-no-linux-platform-1/
[14:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org | There is no Linux Platform (Part 1) Space and Meaning
[14:34]	smnthermes	This?
[14:36]	schestowitz	zoobab: spotting any typos? http://techrights.org/2020/12/17/swpats-as-ai-and-4ir/
[14:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO is Promoting Software Patents This Week, Seeking to Impress the Administrative Council With Illegal Patents | Techrights
[14:36]	schestowitz	(or anyone else reading it?)
[14:36]	vZS1	> (which is now opposes)
[14:36]	vZS1	s/is/it
[14:36]	vZS1	schestowitz: ^
[14:37]	vZS1	From "Software Freedom is an Endless Cause"
[14:37]	schestowitz	where?
[14:37]	schestowitz	ah
[14:37]	schestowitz	thanks
[14:37]	schestowitz	I did a video about the security FUD just now
[14:37]	schestowitz	still uploading
[14:37]	schestowitz	one take, mo script
[14:37]	schestowitz	typo fixed
[14:38]	schestowitz	see the EPO one
[14:38]	schestowitz	I'm sure there are typos, I have  not proofread it yet, doing 3 things at once
[14:39]	vZS1	I'll take a look this evening
[14:42]	schestowitz	ty
[14:42]	schestowitz	it'll be up shortly
[14:52]	schestowitz	those videos are not served well
[14:52]	schestowitz	the server isn't a media server
[14:52]	schestowitz	at 700mb a minutes or more it's causing streams to buffer
[14:54]	schestowitz	vZS1: http://techrights.org/2020/12/17/zdnet-fud-2020/
[14:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Video: The FUD of the Month About GNU/Linux, Seeded by ZDNet and Similarly Awful Sites | Techrights
[14:55]	AVRS	schestowitz: yes. It doesn't say "Linux/GNOME/X11", so maybe I only found that article when trying to find other occurrences of that name.
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[14:58]	AVRS	schestowitz: IPFS: https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmTFPDqBKthtDHqzcr9aCvXoVVG1g2bDzjfyyMvMrbhCnk?filename=december-security-fud.ogv
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[14:58]	AVRS	hm, 77 MB
[14:58]	AVRS	schestowitz: is that the size of the video?
● Dec 17
[15:06]	AVRS	Ignore that, I misunderstood the "700mb"
[15:10]	zoobab	Campinos: "the Code challenge"
[15:10]	zoobab	an insult to the profession
[15:16]	zoobab	more spam for software development
[15:17]	zoobab	20% of European countries at the EPO
[15:17]	zoobab	so 
[15:17]	zoobab	80% of patents in this field are non-European
[15:17]	zoobab	LOL
[15:17]	zoobab	after that
[15:17]	zoobab	they will say it's good for Europe
[15:21]	zoobab	expert in "open source software"
[15:22]	AVRS	What was it about GNOME Foundation letting a volunteer make GNOME Annual Report 2018 (<http://techrights.org/2019/06/27/krita-4-2-2/>), then she made it on Windows, and was "doxed" and sent nasty messages for a week after it was found out?
[15:23]	AVRS	Here a GNOME person say it: https://twitter.com/bwyazel/status/1146871274871742465
[15:23]	AVRS	s
[15:25]	MinceR	(cat) (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/23/7e263c0424ead53c.mp4
[15:26]	AVRS	And one of the critics there says she'd been sent death threats once before.
[15:32]	AVRS	Where is that from at all?
[15:35]	vZS1	schestowitz: I watched the vid on ZDNet. Cracked me up. Lol
[15:35]	schestowitz	cool
[15:35]	schestowitz	I didn't script it
[15:35]	schestowitz	just opened up the pages and started rolling
[15:36]	schestowitz	I've just found my old webcam... minutes ago
[15:36]	schestowitz	after 2 hours of searching the house
[15:36]	schestowitz	wife and I tried to find it, looked in the wrong place
[15:36]	schestowitz	so future vids I can do with better quality
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[15:38]	TechrightsBot-tr	Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77
[15:39]	AVRS	schestowitz: Is that worm a caterpillar?
[15:39]	schestowitz	looks like it
[15:39]	zoobab	https://www.epo.org/news-events/events/conferences/ai2020/programme.html#Gagnon
[15:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - Programme
[15:39]	schestowitz	[06:55] <vZS1> Link them pls
[15:39]	schestowitz	[06:56] <schestowitz> along the lines of http://techrights.org/2020/11/07/ransomware-at-zdnet/
[15:39]	schestowitz	[06:56] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- techrights.org | ZDNet Calls Windows Ransomware Linux to Keep Pages About Linux Full of Fear-Mongering Nonsense | Techrights
[15:39]	schestowitz	[06:56] <schestowitz> first pattern: https://threatpost.com/gitpaste-12-worm-widens-exploits/162290/
[15:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet Calls Windows Ransomware Linux to Keep Pages About Linux Full of Fear-Mongering Nonsense | Techrights
[15:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gitpaste-12 Worm Widens Set of Exploits in New Attacks | Threatpost
[15:39]	schestowitz	[06:56] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- Gitpaste-12 Worm Widens Set of Exploits in New Attacks | Threatpost
[15:41]	vZS1	schestowitz: I'm going to read all that on Saturday.
[15:41]	zoobab	"Paul is an expert in data licensing and open-source software."
[15:42]	vZS1	Got it in my calendar already
[15:50]	zoobab	Rachel Free
[15:51]	zoobab	https://cms.law/en/gbr/people/rachel-free
[15:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cms.law | Free Rachel | Partner | Intellectual Property | TMIC | CMS UK | International Law Firm CMS
[15:51]	zoobab	"Rachel is a UK and European patent attorney with an MSc in Artificial Intelligence and a DPhil in vision science. She helps clients protect their technology through patents in a wide variety of fields, including AI, software, construction, infrastructure and telecommunications. She also provides training and advice regarding AI ethics and AI regulation."
[15:55]	schestowitz	lol
[15:55]	schestowitz	HEY HI
[15:58]	MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/704049.jpg
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[16:01]	zoobab	they have this robot Data
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[16:08]	scientes	MinceR, was it founded by Forrest Gump?
[16:09]	MinceR	\_()_/
[16:12]	zoobab	AI generated patents will be sentenced by jail time
[16:12]	zoobab	I was told
[16:13]	zoobab	that would be fun to go to jail
[16:13]	zoobab	Let's write an AI patent generator over the weekend
[16:14]	MinceR	will it just pick a random existing patent and append "but on a computer" to the title?
[16:14]	MinceR	or "but with a computer"
[16:14]	scientes	zoobab, you really don't have to mock them
[16:14]	zoobab	it only helps the flood
[16:14]	zoobab	trolls do the job anyway
[16:15]	zoobab	if we loose that fight, we should turn into a giant patent troll
[16:15]	zoobab	and shut down those large companies
[16:15]	zoobab	that way competition is restored
[16:17]	zoobab	https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/12/eus-digital-markets-act-there-lot-room-improvement
[16:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | The EUs Digital Markets Act: There Is A Lot To Like, but Room for Improvement | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[16:17]	zoobab	"Let a thousand app stores bloom" <- my ass
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[16:49]	zoobab	https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2020/12/16/breaking-5g-curve-looking-beyond-u-s-patent-system/id=128270/
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[16:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ipwatchdog.com | Breaking the 5G Curve by Looking Beyond the U.S. Patent System
[16:49]	zoobab	80K patents on 5G
[16:49]	zoobab	WTH
[16:49]	XRevan86	As expected, lots of news after the Putin's press conference.
[16:50]	XRevan86	https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/12/17/just-keeping-an-eye-on-him
[16:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE
[16:53]	XRevan86	1. admits spying on Navalny; 2. denies poisoning on the grounds of him still being alive.
[16:54]	XRevan86	Great stuff, exactly as expected. The bit that FSB coordinated with chemical laboratories while following Navalny was ignored completely.
[16:54]	DaemonFC[m]	Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton is filing an antitrust lawsuit against Google and while he's not wrong on the points, he pretty much trashed his credibility with Texas v. Pennsylvania.
[16:55]	DaemonFC[m]	He's filing it in state courts where he probably has more influence, but it can be appealed out into the federal system and Google can even request that the judge handling the federal case merge it with the existing federal lawsuit to only have to deal with one case.
[16:57]	DaemonFC[m]	Then Apple did something right for once and introduced a permission that is opt out by default for targeted ads in apps in iOS 14.
[16:58]	schestowitz	zoobab: I've just made a video about this EPO event
[16:58]	schestowitz	zoobab: I am uploading it right now
[16:58]	schestowitz	110 MB
[16:58]	DaemonFC[m]	Facebook filed an antitrust suit against Apple, claiming that it will hurt small business, and they can "self regulate" and they're also filing motions on behalf of Epic Games over Fortnite because it's free brownie points, and once they knock over Apple's embargo on no third party payments, Facebook won't have to pay them royalties on microtransactions either.
[16:58]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2020/12/16/22178068/facebook-apple-newspaper-ads-ios-privacy-changes
[16:58]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Facebook criticizes Apples iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads - The Verge
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[17:00]	DaemonFC[m]	Microsoft has controls in Windows 10 for whether apps can access your "advertising ID" or not, but like all of the privacy violation knobs, they say Windows will work better if you leave it on.
[17:00]	DaemonFC[m]	The keylogger knob, inking and typing personalization, can be turned off and all that happens is Windows uses a local spelling check dictionary instead.
[17:01]	DaemonFC[m]	They mention in Edge that while Bing InPrivate search doesn't track you in InPrivate mode if it's the default search engine, that inking and typing personalization in Windows would send them your data from such a session anyway, if it is turned on.
[17:01]	CrystalMath	schestowitz: i'm watching your video
[17:02]	CrystalMath	Bleeping Computer was some company that created tutorials on how to do things with computers
[17:02]	CrystalMath	and other stuff
[17:02]	CrystalMath	that's the people that are now in ZDNet
[17:02]	CrystalMath	i think Bleeping Computer also wanted to do tech news
[17:02]	CrystalMath	they're very microsoft-focused
[17:02]	DaemonFC[m]	So the InPrivate mode would be an even better tool to spy because you are likely to filter yourself less if you think it's private, and then inking and typing personalization sends them all the stuff anyway.
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[17:03]	DaemonFC[m]	My guess is that they tell the truth about Bing InPrivate and rely on most users having left personalization on so it sends them the data from another source.
[17:04]	DaemonFC[m]	Then I caught Windows telling them the apps I was using despite basic telemetry, and all they let you do is wipe your history manually.
[17:07]	DaemonFC[m]	It only seems to make note of signed apps.
[17:07]	DaemonFC[m]	Because Fallout New Vegas was in there and signed by GoG, but Qbitttorrent and PeaZip were not 
[17:12]	zoobab	full video now:
[17:12]	zoobab	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FxY_NAE-E4
[17:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The role of patents in an AI driven world - DAY 1 - YouTube
[17:13]	schestowitz	cheers
[17:13]	schestowitz	I will add the ref
[17:14]	schestowitz	CrystalMath: pro-Microsoft, too
[17:14]	schestowitz	the names suggest it's balkan-based
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[17:14]	schestowitz	(not that I am criticising that)
[17:14]	schestowitz	(they have many Microsoft drones in places like Romania)
[17:15]	CrystalMath	well it was founded by Lawrence Abrams
[17:15]	CrystalMath	back in 2004
[17:16]	CrystalMath	they certainly have a presence here, but
[17:16]	CrystalMath	i think the headquarters are in the UK
[17:16]	schestowitz	many things are
[17:17]	schestowitz	even if it's merely a registration
[17:17]	schestowitz	with a shared office
[17:17]	CrystalMath	PCWorld magazine liked to link to them
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[17:18]	CrystalMath	back in the 2000s
[17:20]	schestowitz	it's crap now
[17:20]	schestowitz	and apparently brain-drained if they ever had brains
[17:20]	schestowitz	now it's clickbait artists
[17:21]	schestowitz	zoobab: http://techrights.org/2020/12/17/swpats-as-ai-and-4ir/
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[17:21]	schestowitz	I will have the video up shortly, it's still uploading
[17:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPO is Promoting Software Patents This Week, Seeking to Impress the Administrative Council With Illegal Patents | Techrights
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[18:09]	DaemonFC[m]	I think that if they got rid of all of the obnoxious advertising, then people wouldn't be so aggravated about Windows 10.
[18:10]	DaemonFC[m]	But out of the box it's nearly as bad as all the junk and trialware Microsoft claimed they wanted rid of. What they meant was to make more room for their own.
[18:11]	scientes	you ever get tired of being tired?
[18:11]	DaemonFC[m]	Why are they preloading desktop applications for Office anyway if they say that it's frozen in time and not to use that and to sign up to give them a constant trickle of blood?
[18:11]	scientes	I know I do
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[18:12]	DaemonFC[m]	Functionally, the desktop versions aren't clearly much better than the online version is anyway, because they have it priced out such that if you register 2019 then you pay them as much as five years of subscribing to 365.
[18:13]	DaemonFC[m]	I think that there's more room for Free Software to hit Microsoft where it hurts on Office than there is on Windows.
[18:16]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19687457
[18:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: US had 3,538 #covid19 deaths yesterday and the person who downplayed it wants to implement a #coup 
[18:17]	DaemonFC[m]	Yes, it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
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[18:18]	DaemonFC[m]	And it's certainly no coincidence that the federal government wasn't allowed to admit that until Trump lost the election and then tried to de-legitimize democracy while he compiles a list of criminals to pardon (probably including himself and his whole family) on the way out the door.
[18:19]	DaemonFC[m]	My take is that the theory he'd resign and have Pence do it is ridiculous because Trump is so paranoid at this point that everyone in his circle is trying to shove a knife in his back, especially if that really means refusing to openly break the law and/or do things for him when there's no guarantee he'll save their skins on the way out after the deeds are done.
[18:20]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: many superspreaders round the xmas dinner table
[18:20]	schestowitz	I heard a TV show about it yesterday
[18:20]	schestowitz	at the barber shop
[18:20]	DaemonFC[m]	And he's probably right. It would be a less risky bet to pardon himself on the last day and then take his chances arguing that the Nixon memo is wrong and the president can absolutely pardon anyone for any crime that has already happened.
[18:20]	schestowitz	it's really that bad, 4 hours with many people, food, aerosols 
[18:21]	DaemonFC[m]	The only limit the Supreme Court has ever put on the pardon is that the president can't pardon ongoing and future crimes. 
[18:21]	schestowitz	whoad
[18:21]	schestowitz	61,569
[18:21]	schestowitz	in CALIFORNIA
[18:21]	schestowitz	just yesterday
[18:22]	DaemonFC[m]	Bill Clinton tried to get his brother Roger out of the mess of his past with a clean slate before he left office, and then Roger wasted it and started getting in hot water again almost right away.
[18:22]	schestowitz	whoa
[18:23]	DaemonFC[m]	Trump can pardon certain people for the shady things they've already done, at the federal level, if he wants.
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[18:23]	DaemonFC[m]	But even if his argument holds up in federal court, it doesn't save anyone, including him, from the court system in the states.
[18:23]	DaemonFC[m]	And New York did not repeal that law that didn't let them go after people who had federal pardons for no reason, you know.
[18:24]	schestowitz	zoobab: http://techrights.org/2020/12/17/epo-ai-event/
[18:24]	DaemonFC[m]	They know he was likely to pardon himself, so they got out ahead of it and repealed the law so that they can prosecute him after he leaves, even if he pardons himself.
[18:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Video: What the European Patent Office Means by AI and 4IR (a Plot to Advance Illegal Software Patents) | Techrights
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[18:24]	schestowitz	took over an hour just to upload
[18:24]	schestowitz	less than 10 minutes to do
[18:24]	DaemonFC[m]	There's going to be a major criminal trial for Trump in a Manhattan court room.
[18:25]	DaemonFC[m]	If the prosecutor wants to hedge their bets, they can just keep filing one charge at a time until a jury convicts him of something.
[18:25]	DaemonFC[m]	He's old and in bad health.
[18:26]	DaemonFC[m]	If he gets sentenced for even 10% of what he's done he may never get out of prison.
[18:27]	DaemonFC[m]	I do agree with their decision to limit the size of the stimulus checks and who they can go to.
[18:27]	DaemonFC[m]	Frittering away money on people who are well to do and who have not lost their jobs leaves less money in the pot to try to shore up unemployment benefits. 
[18:28]	DaemonFC[m]	MARISOL and her "dick in a jar on her shelf" husband, Mark, were grousing that they didn't get the checks the last time.
[18:28]	DaemonFC[m]	As if it was anyone else's fault that they make almost $350,000 a year and still have major lawsuits against them from credit cards and the mortgage people. 
[18:28]	MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/703898.jpg
[18:29]	DaemonFC[m]	35% unemployed an those rich fraudsters are angry that they didn't get one car repair bill for the Beemer covered by Uncle Sam.
[18:29]	DaemonFC[m]	Totally shameless.
[18:29]	schestowitz	zoobab: it names you
[18:30]	DaemonFC[m]	Smart people realize that when it's costing you a third of what the car was when it was new to drive the car for a year, you get rid of it, for whatever you can get.
[18:30]	DaemonFC[m]	They don't go around pleading poverty when they should have lots of money in the bank.
[18:31]	DaemonFC[m]	It's not so easy to get out of your obligations when you would have to go tell a bankruptcy court you make $3.5 million over a ten year period and chose to pay for something other than the mortgage.
[18:31]	DaemonFC[m]	Nor should it be.
[18:32]	DaemonFC[m]	That was a lot of the point behind the 2005 bankruptcy law. You had a lot of people who were hardly poor buying boats and maxing out the cards because it's never enough and then getting it all discharged every 7 years.
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[18:34]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: Not really sure why folks were complaining that they didn't get a $1,200 check when they were doing more than fine.
[18:34]	DaemonFC[m]	Better than ever.
[18:34]	DaemonFC[m]	Working from home bouncing emails around while everyone else lost their job or had to go in and be exposed to COVID to do real work.
[18:35]	DaemonFC[m]	If that's not the most let them eat cake thing ever, I don't really know what is.
[18:36]	DaemonFC[m]	Many of the costs to getting stuff done are middle managers and "What would you say it is...you do...here?" people, and that goes 10x for healthcare.
[18:37]	DaemonFC[m]	If CTCA was responsibly managed and wanted to survive without looking for a bigger fish to gobble them up, it would be a bloodbath of politicians and managers like MARISOL and they could probably right the ship.
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[18:37]	DaemonFC[m]	That's what I don't get about Libertarian ideas for privatization.
[18:38]	DaemonFC[m]	Because many corporations are managed even less efficiently than a government agency.
[18:38]	DaemonFC[m]	They don't have to be managed well if they're a cartel with a mandatory product, like cancer treatments.
[18:39]	DaemonFC[m]	Yet somehow despite this, they're having cash flow issues anyway.
[18:39]	DaemonFC[m]	Someday, maybe soon, if they don't attract a buyer, and this is total speculation, but maybe the FBI will be in there with IRS special agents toting boxes out.
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[18:40]	DaemonFC[m]	They had to cut off the political graft due to the cash shortage, which is when such vulnerabilities arise.
[18:41]	DaemonFC[m]	That's the thing about bribes. They're very much a what have you done for me lately thing. You're not buying friends, you're buying time.
[18:42]	DaemonFC[m]	When you're bribing a blackmailer, you keep it up until you either don't need them or can't afford it anymore. 
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[18:52]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: our gym is shutting down again
[18:52]	schestowitz	20 days
[18:52]	schestowitz	more time for me online, will exercise at home instead
[18:52]	schestowitz	[18:34] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: Not really sure why folks were complaining that they didn't get a $1,200 check when they were doing more than fine.
[18:52]	schestowitz	That's an oversimplification
[18:52]	schestowitz	and overgeneralisation
[18:52]	schestowitz	some of them have kids they send to college
[18:53]	schestowitz	and there are other edges cases you must think of
[18:53]	schestowitz	moreover, they did NOT know COVID was coming
[18:53]	schestowitz	no way to anticipate this
[18:54]	schestowitz	MinceR: https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/12/16/why-make-the-dogs-bark-a-tale-from-communist-bulgaria/
[18:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why Make the Dogs Bark: a Tale from Communist Bulgaria - CounterPunch.org
[18:58]	XRevan86	> Bulgaria is a black, black country. The people are bloody, bloody.
[18:58]	XRevan86	Um, excuse me, it's a bloc country, not a black country.
● Dec 17
[19:05]	MinceR	black is now block, so no difference
[19:05]	smnthermes	https://upload.blabber.im/21eb7a5644cd9dc4/b680e548eadf5b7a.jpg
[19:05]	DaemonFC[m]	<schestowitz "moreover, they did NOT know COVI"> I think that's why Maricel turned on us and tried to shake us down. They're broke, she hates me anyway.
[19:06]	DaemonFC[m]	She probably figured if she caused our marriage to collapse, it would remove Mandy, who had become a liability, and force him back to the Philippines. 
[19:07]	DaemonFC[m]	I don't believe that they accepted her trying to weasel her way out of that contract, honestly.
[19:07]	DaemonFC[m]	I mean, I guess we'll find out and I'm prepared to do something else to get us through that if the need arises.
[19:08]	DaemonFC[m]	I think she found some dirty lawyer who probably charged her over $1,000 to send a letter to immigration and that's where it all stops.
[19:09]	DaemonFC[m]	You know how lawyers are.
[19:10]	DaemonFC[m]	Mom's church friend hired a disability lawyer and Social Security told them she didn't have enough work credits, so she asked her lawyer what she would do and he said "I guess you'll have to go back to work and get some credits.".
[19:10]	DaemonFC[m]	Translation: "There's no money in this for me. I'm not putting more hours in. Goodbye and good luck.".
[19:12]	DaemonFC[m]	She sent Mandy a picture of a receipt for an immigration lawyer over in Gurnee to harass him. She said, "I'm going to bring them in and get you out of here! And you're going to pay for this too!".
[19:12]	DaemonFC[m]	But she scribbled out the amount of money.
[19:12]	DaemonFC[m]	So I opened the jpeg on my computer and it was $250.
[19:12]	DaemonFC[m]	Mandy asked what that would do. I said, "They'll sit and talk with you for 15 minutes.".
[19:13]	schestowitz	[19:05] <DaemonFC[m]> <schestowitz "moreover, they did NOT know COVI"> I think that's why Maricel turned on us and tried to shake us down. They're broke, she hates me anyway.
[19:13]	schestowitz	yes, told you so
[19:13]	schestowitz	keep a distance
[19:13]	schestowitz	physically too
[19:13]	DaemonFC[m]	She scribbled it out until you couldn't make it out on her iPhone I guess.
[19:13]	schestowitz	"oh, noes... not ma phone!!!!"
[19:13]	schestowitz	(pawn shop smiling)
[19:15]	DaemonFC[m]	She's really poking the bear.
[19:15]	DaemonFC[m]	Doubt she knows that.
[19:24]	Ariadne	https://jerrygamblin.com/2020/12/17/cve-stuffing/
[19:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-CVE Stuffing JerryGamblin.com
[19:24]	Ariadne	i wonder who is doing this
[19:25]	schestowitz	https://ubuntu.com//blog/telco-and-ubuntu-2020-roundup
[19:25]	schestowitz	"In November, MTS, Russias largest mobile operator and a leading provider of media and digital services, announced the selection of Canonicals Charmed OpenStack to power the companys next-generation cloud infrastructure. The company mentioned that this is the foundation of the 5G rollout that would come in the following months, enhancing their networks edge compute capabilities."
[19:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Telco and Ubuntu: 2020 roundup | Ubuntu
[19:25]	schestowitz	to avrs (he's gone now)
[19:25]	schestowitz	offline/away
[19:26]	schestowitz	mentioned this earlier today in re russia
[19:26]	MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/TnkHxpK.jpeg
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[19:37]	DaemonFC[m]	IF the stimulus bill goes through, that would be great news.
[19:37]	DaemonFC[m]	You can't count it as earned income, but it is money in a bank account, which makes it a liquid asset on the worksheet, which is 20% as good as income for that year.
[19:38]	DaemonFC[m]	For immigration.
[19:38]	DaemonFC[m]	So that's basically like saying you had about $300 more income that year. It helps.
[19:39]	DaemonFC[m]	There's two ways to list money for sponsorship purposes. Income and assets. They count any liquid asset that is cash or cash-like, which could be used to help cover your living expenses that year if the need happened.
[19:40]	DaemonFC[m]	The worksheet says if you can't get to the income requirement, you can list assets to help you make up the difference. It takes a lot of assets to equal a small amount of income, but it can put you over the top if it's a close call.
[19:41]	DaemonFC[m]	There's also no ambiguity about whether new public charge applies. It's not supposed to because we filed before it went into effect, but even if that wasn't the case, the courts have struck it down and Biden says he would have gotten rid of it anyway.
[19:41]	DaemonFC[m]	So we've got some wind at our backs on this that, frankly, I didn't think was even a possibility.
[19:42]	DaemonFC[m]	Trump's legacy is 8 new miles of border fencing, early death from COVID for his useful idiots, and 50% higher drug prices. McConnell went through 4 paragraphs of Fantasy Documents about Trump's achievements.
[19:43]	DaemonFC[m]	Including relatively low black unemployment, which was the first casualty of the Coronavirus. It doubled from there, to 14% (officially) right now.
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[19:48]	DaemonFC[m]	"Local residents have filed a lawsuit to prevent Trump from living at Mar-a-Lago, in violation of both agreements, of which they are well aware. Thus it will be up to the courts and the town council whether Trump can live there and what they will do if he just moves in and stays longer than 7 consecutive days. There is already bad blood between Trump and the council. There is a local ordinance that states that
[19:48]	DaemonFC[m]	flagpoles may not be higher than 30 feet. Trump had one that was 50 feet high. The town demanded that he replace it with a 30-foot pole. So what did Trump do? He had a landscaping firm construct a 20-foot high hill and then he put a 30-foot pole on it."
[19:49]	DaemonFC[m]	I have to admit the hill with the pole is probably how I would have handled them.
● Dec 17
[20:07]	XRevan86	https://process-one.net/blog/ejabberd-20-12/
[20:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.process-one.net | ejabberd 20.12 | ProcessOne
[20:11]	DaemonFC[m]	This state budget is the worst by far.
[20:12]	DaemonFC[m]	Illinois Democrats budgeted for a federal bailout of $5 billion that obviously never would happen and a tax hike amendment that might not pass and raised spending.
[20:13]	DaemonFC[m]	Then when it didn't pass, it cut some of that new spending and said it was austerity and that people would feel the harm from the spending that we didn't have before being cut.
[20:13]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: The Governor announced some sort of PC recycling program for poor families.
[20:13]	DaemonFC[m]	I doubt they're putting Linux on them.
[20:14]	DaemonFC[m]	Microsoft probably "generously" offered "Free" licenses for Windows 10 for the program.
[20:15]	DaemonFC[m]	AFAIK, they're mostly older systems that were meant to run Windows 7, so while they probably can run Windows 10, it won't be pretty.
[20:15]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19688189
[20:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 61,569 new #covid19 cases in #California just yesterday. And today's US numbers are over 2,000 deaths by 3PM Eastern Time. 
[20:16]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: you mean RUN BY Vista 10
[20:16]	schestowitz	or run over by
[20:40]	DaemonFC[m]	"Microsoft stated that it prioritized improving the security of Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 above finishing Windows Vista, thus delaying its completion.[10][11]"
[20:40]	DaemonFC[m]	Ahh, revisionism.
[20:40]	schestowitz	yeah, common
[20:40]	schestowitz	wikipedia?
[20:40]	DaemonFC[m]	The delay was because they started out basing the development builds on Windows XP and adding so much crap that it was eventually too unstable to use at all.
[20:40]	schestowitz	controlled by Microsoft PR agents
[20:40]	schestowitz	we covered that
[20:40]	DaemonFC[m]	So they did the development reset and based it on Windows 2003 and salvaged what they could.
[20:41]	schestowitz	what does wiki say about winfs lol
[20:41]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: maybe you can write a short article about this
[20:41]	schestowitz	inc. links
[20:42]	DaemonFC[m]	They have a pretty big article on it, mainly saving face by saying some of its ideas were recycled into other products.
[20:43]	DaemonFC[m]	But that doesn't really mean that it wasn't a disaster.
[20:45]	DaemonFC[m]	I was getting some of the Longhorn builds including ones that leaked.
[20:45]	DaemonFC[m]	I think that the only one that Microsoft tapped out on that actually had any hope was Windows Neptune, the consumer sku of Windows 2000.
[20:46]	DaemonFC[m]	They decided that it was taking too long and that it would be easier to hit people up for cash with another Windows 9x refresh that was slightly improved as a stopgap to XP.
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[20:46]	DaemonFC[m]	I think the major purpose of Windows Me was to try to kick developers in the nuts and leave them painfully aware that there was no way to continue giving their customers DOS applications going forward.
[20:47]	DaemonFC[m]	They knew most of the people who got it would be OEM preinstalls, not upgrades, and that it gave them about a year to signal to developers to knock it off with the new DOS apps.
[20:48]	DaemonFC[m]	It was basically Windows 98 with some rudimentary Windows 2000/XP stuff bolted on and no obvious way to boot into DOS.
[20:48]	DaemonFC[m]	I think one of the more spectacular fails was that System Restore stopped working right after they shipped it because of a time and date bug and they had to do a hotfix. 
[20:49]	DaemonFC[m]	The more reliable ways of managing a PC with Windows 9x were off limits now and System Restore, which often caused more problems, was the official replacement.
[20:50]	DaemonFC[m]	It would do things like your programs would still be there, but the ones which were installed after the restore point wouldn't have their registry settings and would malfunction.
[20:50]	DaemonFC[m]	Or it would end up restoring a virus that you had successfully removed. 
[20:51]	schestowitz	to write something about this we need a tidier chronology
[20:51]	schestowitz	no doubt they distort history
[20:51]	DaemonFC[m]	I remember one time I made a restore point before installing a DirectX update, and then the update went badly and caused crashes in games that had been working okay with the older libraries. So I go to use a restore point and instead of bringing back the version that worked, it broke DirectX entirely and I had to reinstall Windows.
[20:51]	schestowitz	because not only Microsoft does that, but Microsoft does this more blatantly and shamelessly 
[20:52]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: in older windows you needed to manually install dx
[20:52]	schestowitz	cannot recall which version
[20:52]	schestowitz	maybe win95
[20:52]	schestowitz	some games asked you to add it
[20:52]	DaemonFC[m]	So I got into the habit of turning System Restore off and taking my chances because all it did was hog space on the hard drive and further corrupt Windows, and you were in for a reinstall anyway at some point.
[20:53]	DaemonFC[m]	Not having good backups is suicide, but it was actually a lot worse with 9x because it was a complete wreck, especially after IE4 and the new shell update. 
[20:54]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: Microsoft sent me a version to try out with the expectation that I would review it, and when I mentioned the system restore problems and not being able to get into DOS as major problems, I stopped hearing much from them anymore. 
[20:57]	DaemonFC[m]	I think I said it was unbelievable that major new software titles were "released last year for DOS and now there's no way to get into it".
[20:58]	DaemonFC[m]	XP (the 32-bit version) was okay-ish with DOS applications with a program called VDM Sound or something.
[20:59]	DaemonFC[m]	It was this open source bolt-on that pretended it was a sound blaster card. 
● Dec 17
[21:00]	MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/703896.jpg
[21:01]	DaemonFC[m]	"I don't want your germs." Twister.
[21:02]	DaemonFC[m]	"Please don't speak. You might be transmitting viruses, and the typical human nonsense I don't want to hear anyway."
[21:02]	DaemonFC[m]	"Thank you for your cooperation."
[21:02]	MinceR	Twister? But I don't even know 'er!
[21:07]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/17/us/north-carolina-governor-pardons-wrongful-convictions/index.html
[21:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NC governor pardons 5, including man wrongly imprisoned for 44 years - CNN
[21:07]	DaemonFC[m]	You were wrongly imprisoned for 44 years. Please accept a pardon which establishes your guilt, but the state forgives you for being wrongly imprisoned for 44 years.
[21:08]	DaemonFC[m]	You cost the state an awful lot of money by making us wrongfully imprison you for 44 years like that, what with the all-white jury full of Klansmen.
[21:08]	DaemonFC[m]	But we forgive you.
[21:10]	MinceR	that's like the leader of the International Pedophile Party "forgave" Galilei
[21:10]	MinceR	or something like that
[21:10]	DaemonFC[m]	You know it cost the state a lot of money to pay the police overtime to fabricate all of that evidence.
[21:10]	DaemonFC[m]	We could bill you if we wanted to, but we pardon that too.
[21:11]	MinceR	(cat) (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/23/1dd6837d38c92f83.mp4
[21:11]	DaemonFC[m]	Then what does it say about the court system in North Carolina when the Attorney General knew the guy was innocent and had to go to federal courts asking them to overturn the conviction?
[21:12]	DaemonFC[m]	"The pardons make them eligible to file a claim under a state law that allows compensation to persons wrongly convicted of felonies."
[21:12]	DaemonFC[m]	Whatever compensation there is for 44 years of your life gone, I'm certain that it's an insult.
[21:13]	DaemonFC[m]	It is in Illinois....
[21:13]	DaemonFC[m]	If they wrongfully convict you and you somehow prove it later, you get $5 for each DAY that you shouldn't have been in prison.
[21:14]	DaemonFC[m]	Same applies for sitting in jail waiting on trial and then beating the charges.
[21:14]	DaemonFC[m]	So you lost your job, your wife left you, the accusations have scandalized you.
[21:14]	DaemonFC[m]	Here's $300.
[21:15]	DaemonFC[m]	There's damage from just being accused of something, which the state does to people wholesale, in fact. 
[21:15]	DaemonFC[m]	There is no "win" once you've been accused of anything.
[21:16]	DaemonFC[m]	You spent a fortune fighting them off and then you still have an arrest record that shows what they said you did.
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[21:17]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/17/us/tn-bill-lee-comments-vaccines-covid-trnd/index.html
[21:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tennessee governor: 'One thing this vaccine will not solve or cure is selfishness' - CNN
[21:18]	DaemonFC[m]	It's putting a full spectacle on greed and stupidity, honestly.
[21:18]	DaemonFC[m]	There are antivaxxers out taking a moment to continue their claims that all vaccines are bad and dangerous.
[21:18]	DaemonFC[m]	And there's people who are using the shortage to con people out of money, of course.
[21:18]	DaemonFC[m]	And then there's the people trying to skip the line because they have more money.
[21:19]	schestowitz	it's sad, is it not?
[21:19]	DaemonFC[m]	It's like the sinking of the Titanic where they have half as many lifeboats as they need, so they lock all of the 3rd class passengers up to drown.
[21:19]	schestowitz	Gates and MS media spin it all as if the vaccine critics are all cranks
[21:19]	schestowitz	for this PARTICULAR 'vaccine'... a clinical trial
[21:20]	DaemonFC[m]	They could make more, if they wanted to.
[21:20]	schestowitz	maybe that'll harm more
[21:20]	schestowitz	and they want just enough for their clinical/criminal trial
[21:20]	DaemonFC[m]	The government isn't too concerned with actually ending this as much as it is getting the people it cares about immune to it.
[21:20]	schestowitz	I honestly speak to my parents and in laws
[21:20]	schestowitz	and they took flu shots
[21:20]	schestowitz	yet they do NOT want the COVID one
[21:21]	schestowitz	too early
[21:21]	schestowitz	many unknowns
[21:21]	DaemonFC[m]	My grandmother will be getting one.
[21:21]	schestowitz	good luck
[21:21]	DaemonFC[m]	Mom said she signed the papers for it because she has legal guardianship over her mother and she said she wanted it. 
[21:21]	schestowitz	she does not have much to lose
[21:21]	schestowitz	I mean, if they're near the end
[21:22]	schestowitz	pfizer killed many grandpas with viagra
[21:22]	schestowitz	not it can have a go at grandmas too
[21:22]	DaemonFC[m]	She is. She shouldn't have dementia, but she does because she was letting her blood sugar skyrocket by living off toaster pastries during the last years where she was in her home and nobody was telling her what to do.
[21:23]	DaemonFC[m]	The only reason anyone forced her to go to the nursing home was because she started slipping so bad that she was at least two years past when they should have taken the car keys.
[21:24]	DaemonFC[m]	She would admit that she went out driving and forgot where she was going.
[21:24]	DaemonFC[m]	Finally she wrecked the Cadillac into someone and totaled both the cars.
[21:24]	DaemonFC[m]	Broke her neck. Ended up in the hospital.
[21:24]	DaemonFC[m]	Hooked up to an IV telling us to buy emergency supplies because ISIS would bomb the power plants on Christmas of 2015 because they hated Jesus.
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[21:25]	DaemonFC[m]	The doctor took me aside and asked if she was delusional. I said, "Because of the ISIS thing? No that's no worse than she's been for the last 20 years.".
[21:26]	DaemonFC[m]	He didn't know what was going on because a lot of people have hallucinatory effects from breaking a bone or being on pain medicine. 
[21:27]	DaemonFC[m]	I told the doctor, "In 1999 she shoved a ton of pantry goods under the beds in her house because all the power plants were going to melt down in 2000, and then in 2006 my mom's ex husband broke his toe on some sugar that had turned into a brick.".
[21:28]	DaemonFC[m]	"In 1996, she said the world would end because America was growing too lenient on the gays, and then it wasn't going to end because Pat Robertson said God told him he changed his mind and was giving us one more chance.".
[21:29]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: QAnon isn't new. They just finally have a name for what's wrong with conservatives. Their latest one was that a minor earthquake in Maine was the military blowing up an underground secret base with 50,000 soldiers of the People's Liberation Army.
[21:30]	DaemonFC[m]	And you laugh, but you have people like this where you are, and they cause problems.
[21:30]	schestowitz	People's Liberation Army?
[21:30]	schestowitz	PLA?
[21:30]	schestowitz	what'sit?
[21:30]	DaemonFC[m]	The Chinese military.
[21:30]	schestowitz	that's what I thought
[21:30]	schestowitz	but...
[21:30]	schestowitz	WTF?
[21:31]	schestowitz	in the US
[21:31]	schestowitz	50k Chinese troops
[21:31]	schestowitz	?
[21:31]	DaemonFC[m]	They invaded Maine and then stole the plot the Soviets had in the last season of Stranger Things.
[21:31]	schestowitz	link?
[21:31]	DaemonFC[m]	Underground bunker hidden by a mall in Indiana.
[21:31]	schestowitz	Maybe it's a caricature of what they actually believe
[21:31]	schestowitz	they believe lots of crap
[21:32]	schestowitz	but 50k 'hidden' Chinese troops in the US?
[21:32]	schestowitz	It's not like they even look alike
[21:32]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.businessinsider.com/no-truth-to-conspiracy-us-bombing-chinese-troops-invading-maine-2020-12
[21:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | No truth to conspiracy about US bombing Chinese troops invading Maine - Business Insider
[21:32]	schestowitz	and that theory can cause attacks on Asian/Americans
[21:32]	schestowitz	maybe it's a straw man
[21:32]	schestowitz	that site has a paywall
[21:32]	schestowitz	or gate/wall
[21:32]	MinceR	Polylactic acid, or polylactide (PLA)
[21:33]	schestowitz	qanon takes that
[21:33]	MinceR	lol
[21:33]	schestowitz	they used to link to techrights re gates, but distorted it
[21:33]	schestowitz	all sorts of weird misinterpretations 
[21:34]	schestowitz	linked to the idea that there's a sinister plot among all rich elites, inc. CEOs, to screw kids
[21:34]	schestowitz	and that Trump was "Cleaning up"
[21:34]	schestowitz	or something weird like that
[21:34]	schestowitz	Trump was the one who wanted to screw his OWN young kid
[21:34]	DaemonFC[m]	Cleaning up evidence of his participation, most likely.
[21:35]	DaemonFC[m]	The cameras all malfunction at the exact moment the guards take a smoke break.
[21:35]	DaemonFC[m]	Then Epstein suicides with something he managed to slip past them while he was on suicide watch.
[21:35]	schestowitz	we have the full will
[21:35]	schestowitz	the last amended one
[21:35]	DaemonFC[m]	It's pretty clear that plenty of people including Trump and Gates wanted him gone. 
[21:36]	schestowitz	with gates' right-hand man named in it
[21:36]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2020/08/19/jeffrey-epstein-will-and-death/
[21:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Original Document That Shows Executor (of the Will) of Jeffrey Epstein is Very Close Associate of Bill Gates | Techrights
[21:37]	schestowitz	A small world, ain't it?
[21:37]	schestowitz	one say you save the world from covid, previous day you conspire with a child trafficker to launder his name
[21:37]	DaemonFC[m]	CNN says Lego won't make modern military toys "so others are stepping in". 
[21:37]	schestowitz	same thing after all...
[21:37]	schestowitz	saving the world and covering up a paedophila ring
[21:38]	DaemonFC[m]	How courageous. We can continue throwing money into a pit when a shooting war between the US and China would be a disaster for both sides.
[21:38]	DaemonFC[m]	Nuclear weapons are what discourages it.
[21:38]	DaemonFC[m]	Not some troops standing around on a base.
[21:38]	schestowitz	maybe plastic ballistic missiles
[21:38]	schestowitz	with grooves and round ridges on them
[21:38]	schestowitz	LEGO
[21:38]	schestowitz	"made in denMARK"
[21:40]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.wabi.tv/2020/12/08/mount-everest-even-taller-than-we-thought/
[21:40]	DaemonFC[m]	Voting on how tall a mountain is.
[21:40]	DaemonFC[m]	Okay...
[21:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wabi.tv | Mount Everest even taller than we thought
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[21:42]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/12/17/grand-haven-man-porn-collection/3946356001/
[21:42]	schestowitz	anything to distract from what's important?
[21:42]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freep.com | Michigan parents must pay son back after purging porn collection
[21:43]	schestowitz	US is all about lawsuits
[21:43]	schestowitz	litigation nation
[21:43]	schestowitz	many lawyers/capita
[21:43]	schestowitz	and even family is "BUSINESS"
[21:43]	schestowitz	so people have their "legal department"... not just for divorce settlements
[21:43]	DaemonFC[m]	It seems odd that anyone would spend $26,000 on porn and sex toys.
[21:44]	DaemonFC[m]	And even stranger that they'd file a lawsuit about it that would end up all over the news.
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[21:45]	DaemonFC[m]	You'd think that you would want that kept quiet because anyone can type your name into google.
[21:49]	schestowitz	maybe the publicly was wantd
[21:49]	schestowitz	but not by the parents
[21:56]	MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/706418.jpg
[21:58]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: I'd have to say that out of all the COVID vaccines, the type that concerns me more is the adenovirus ones.
[21:58]	amreo[m]	/join #matrix.to:matrix.org
[21:58]	amreo[m]	^ it is a test
● Dec 17
[22:00]	DaemonFC[m]	They say "Well, these viruses don't cause any known disease or a slight cold, and we have to give you one that nobody's been exposed to before so that your immune system won't destroy the vaccine, and it has all of the potential allergic reactions of a traditional vaccine because of how we incubated the virus, and we've genetically altered the virus not only to deliver the Coronavirus spike protein instructions into
[22:00]	DaemonFC[m]	your cell but so that the adenovirus won't be able to reproduce.
[22:00]	DaemonFC[m]	vs. "This is mRNA that contains the instructions for how to make the spike protein.".
[22:01]	DaemonFC[m]	It seems maybe the only advantage of the adenovirus ones is that they don't have to be kept at the extreme cold temperatures.
[22:02]	DaemonFC[m]	My dad really hates the entire concept of the storyline of The Handmaid's Tale.
[22:03]	DaemonFC[m]	One of the flashback scenes shows after the decapitation strike on the government but before it had been completely reorganized into the Republic of Gilead yet, and the first law enforcement agency to really begin acting exactly like the Guardians was ICE.
[22:03]	DaemonFC[m]	I told him well it wouldn't make a very good story unless it was believable that things like that could actually happen, and they put ICE in there like that before they were Trump's goon squad launching chemical weapons strikes on American citizens and kidnapping protesters. 
[22:04]	DaemonFC[m]	Then during the election, Trump's people start running people off the road and holding them at gunpoint accusing them of having "evidence of illegal ballots" in their van when it's air conditioning repair stuff.
[22:05]	DaemonFC[m]	Then they start threatening assassination against presidential electors.
[22:05]	DaemonFC[m]	The foiled kidnap and murder plot against two state governors.
[22:05]	DaemonFC[m]	There's certainly an element out there that would overthrow the US government and try to take over if it was able to.
[22:05]	DaemonFC[m]	So the story is not unbelievable at all.
[22:06]	DaemonFC[m]	Most of them are just drunken rednecks who could never pull anything like that off because they're just too stupid.
[22:06]	DaemonFC[m]	Discussing such plots on Facebook, for starters. 
[22:07]	DaemonFC[m]	As long as they're mostly only able to pull in people like that, there's little to worry about, but there's signs that they're burrowing into law enforcement, the military, and state and local government.
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[22:09]	DaemonFC[m]	These people are far more dangerous than some Muslims.
[22:09]	DaemonFC[m]	Because they actually are here now and nobody's stopping them from stockpiling heavy weaponry and explosives. 
[22:09]	DaemonFC[m]	But obviously while Trump was in office, the Department of Homeland Security was stopped from talking about right-wing militia nutjobs.
[22:11]	DaemonFC[m]	I think they were keeping an eye on them, they just weren't allowed to talk about it.
[22:11]	DaemonFC[m]	Trump was promising "riots in the streets" if he lost the election.
[22:12]	DaemonFC[m]	But so far nothing major has actually gone down and the people who did show up to support him in DC yelled at buildings and stabbed some police officers.
[22:12]	DaemonFC[m]	But the police got it under control quickly. 
[22:14]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: 2,490 deaths
[22:14]	schestowitz	might be another 3k by day's end
[22:14]	schestowitz	3.5k+ yesterday
[22:15]	schestowitz	can soon be 20k per week
[22:15]	schestowitz	and then 400k by inauguration day
[22:15]	schestowitz	xmas will accelerate the spread
[22:16]	DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, and then USCIS wants us to go to Chicago for an in person appointment during this.
[22:16]	DaemonFC[m]	And of course they can't just email you a copy of the confirmation letter that has the appointment info on it so you even know what date it is.
[22:19]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/business/money-report/mike-pence-to-head-overseas-hours-after-declaring-joe-biden-the-presidential-victor-over-donald-trump/2786788/?amp
[22:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnewyork.com | Pence to Head Overseas Jan. 6 Hours After Formally Declaring Biden the Presidential Victor NBC New York
[22:19]	DaemonFC[m]	The Constitution gives Pence the job of declaring that the administration lost the election.
[22:19]	DaemonFC[m]	Sometimes the Constitution is pretty great. 
[22:20]	DaemonFC[m]	I suppose that theoretically he could use it to start spewing all sorts of lies and stuff, but it says he must declare Biden the winner.
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[22:22]	DaemonFC[m]	There actually have been some very obviously stolen elections that were certified anyway.
[22:23]	DaemonFC[m]	George W. Bush and John F. Kennedy to name a couple.
[22:23]	DaemonFC[m]	During the Kennedy one, Illinois was a red state outside of Chicago and outside Chicago had a much greater percentage of the population than it does today.
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[22:24]	DaemonFC[m]	So mayor Daley just waited until the rest of the state reported the results and then released "a number" for Chicago.
[22:24]	DaemonFC[m]	And many of the election officials did actually get into legal hot water over rigging the election and stuffing the ballot boxes.
[22:24]	DaemonFC[m]	And in Texas, there were quite a few areas where more voters than the number on the registry voted.
[22:25]	DaemonFC[m]	Nixon probably could have raised a stink about it, but it would look like he was a sore loser, so he let it go and came back later.
[22:27]	MinceR	https://assets.amuniversal.com/b7d4d590c0470137c01c005056a9545d   ( https://dilbert.com/strip/2019-10-01 )
[22:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Food Poisoning - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2019-10-01 | Dilbert by Scott Adams
[22:28]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/17/trump-says-he-will-veto-defense-bill.html?__source=OTS%7Cfinance%7Crelated%7Cstory%7C&par=OTS&doc=106812853
[22:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Trump says he will veto $740 billion defense bill, breaking with Republicans
[22:28]	DaemonFC[m]	The danger of a pocket veto is that the Supreme Court only very recently settled the issues of pro forma sessions of Congress.
[22:29]	DaemonFC[m]	Saying that Congress is in session whenever it says it is.
[22:29]	DaemonFC[m]	So if he attempted to take no action, it could end up becoming law without them having to do anything since they would have people there to receive messages and vetoed bills from the president.
[22:29]	DaemonFC[m]	So he more or less has to do an actual veto or risk accidentally letting it become the law.
[22:31]	DaemonFC[m]	Congress sets its own schedule. Some state legislatures are like that too, while others have constitutional limits on how many days they can be in session.
[22:31]	DaemonFC[m]	I think Texas doesn't have sessions during even numbered years or something.
[22:31]	DaemonFC[m]	So they have an incentive to try to get the governor to call a special session over things they normally don't have time to do.
[22:32]	DaemonFC[m]	It really strengthens the executive because If the legislature pisses him off, they may not have enough time to do their job and he'll refuse to call them back.
[22:36]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-administration-says-it-will-withhold-24200-million-in-california-medicaid-funding-over-abortion-insurance-requirement/ar-BB1bZOaZ
[22:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.msn.com | Trump administration says it will withhold $200 million in California Medicaid funding over abortion insurance requirement
[22:37]	DaemonFC[m]	I don't even know why he's wasting his time with this.
[22:37]	DaemonFC[m]	Biden will hand their Medicaid money over in 33 days.
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[22:40]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: 
[22:40]	schestowitz	[12:28] <schestowitz> x https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13487973/candace-owens-dr-fauci-bill-gates/
[22:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thesun.co.uk | Candace Owens shockingly calls Dr Fauci and Bill Gates pure evil in wild attack
[22:40]	schestowitz	[12:28] <schestowitz> # using strawmen to defend Bill
[22:40]	schestowitz	[12:28] <schestowitz> =
[22:40]	schestowitz	[12:28] <schestowitz> x https://www.theblaze.com/bill-gates-coronavirus-vaccine-lockdowns-restaurants
[22:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bill Gates says world won't be normal until 2022, restaurants need to lockdown - TheBlaze
[22:40]	schestowitz	[12:28] <schestowitz> # bill sez
[22:40]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: BTW
[22:40]	schestowitz	re CNBC
[22:40]	schestowitz	they help Trump
[22:40]	schestowitz	Firebird SQLAlchemy status for Firebird Advent 2020 
[22:41]	schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19689059
[22:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #cnbc cheering for #militarism and by doing so helping #trumpism https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/17/trump-says-he-will-veto-defense-bill.html
[22:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cnbc.com | Trump says he will veto $740 billion defense bill, breaking with Republicans
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[22:52]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: They'll do a veto override.
[22:52]	DaemonFC[m]	If they were worried about his veto they wouldn't have passed it in the Senate.
[22:52]	DaemonFC[m]	They're looking past Trump because they'll be around for years and he won't be.
[22:52]	schestowitz	that bill is a sham regardless
[22:53]	schestowitz	and tucked into it are a  bunch of things that would never be passed in iolation
[22:53]	schestowitz	isolation
[22:53]	schestowitz	btw: https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2020/12/17/curl-supports-nasa/
[22:53]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-curl supports NASA | daniel.haxx.se
[22:53]	DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, so were some of the bills that George W. Bush vetoed that got overridden near the end.
[22:53]	schestowitz	ndaa 
[22:53]	DaemonFC[m]	Bad bills that he vetoed for good reason.
[22:54]	DaemonFC[m]	It's strange how both parties in Congress only get veto-proof majorities on their worst stuff, isn't it?
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[22:55]	DaemonFC[m]	It seems almost like a tradition for a lame duck president to finally have veto overrides even if he escaped it before.
[22:55]	DaemonFC[m]	The fact that they are shows that none of them think Trump will be around after next month.
[22:57]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/17/congress-trump-defense-bill-veto-447900
[22:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Congress braces for painful veto clash with Trump on defense bill - POLITICO
[22:57]	DaemonFC[m]	They're talking about overriding it in the last few hours before the new Congress.
[22:59]	schestowitz	helping the Trump PR
● Dec 17
[23:00]	schestowitz	by sidling with something they ought not
[23:00]	schestowitz	corporate media
[23:00]	schestowitz	funded by military companies, too
[23:00]	schestowitz	like talking about trump pardom for assange, snowden
[23:00]	schestowitz	as if such a thing would be terrible
[23:00]	schestowitz	or would actually happen
[23:00]	schestowitz	which I doubt
[23:14]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: Anyway, I went through Maricel's karaoke machine last year picking out all the songs to thumb my nose at them with.
[23:14]	DaemonFC[m]	Not exactly subtle either.
[23:15]	DaemonFC[m]	Like In the Ghetto by Elvis Presley and Another Day in Paradise by Phil Collins
[23:15]	DaemonFC[m]	I don't think they appreciated it much.
[23:17]	DaemonFC[m]	I've been meaning to get one.
[23:20]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/17/politics/gretchen-whitmer-men-charged-kidnapping-plot/index.html
[23:20]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-6 men indicted on federal charges in plot to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer - CNNPolitics
[23:20]	DaemonFC[m]	I loved how SNL handled that.
[23:20]	DaemonFC[m]	Unemployable losers who had no plan for what to do after the kidnapping.
[23:21]	DaemonFC[m]	The attempted kidnapping actually did more harm for the far-right than it was worth.
[23:22]	DaemonFC[m]	If you don't think that'll come up in the next election there. "Well look at the other party. They had kidnap and murder plot. They're terrorists.".
[23:22]	DaemonFC[m]	That's where I'd go. Get some mileage out of it.
[23:22]	schestowitz	yeah
[23:22]	schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19689326
[23:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #trump4terrorism https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/17/politics/gretchen-whitmer-men-charged-kidnapping-plot/index.html
[23:22]	schestowitz	maybe I could go with #terrorists4Trump
[23:23]	schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19689310
[23:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #california dying in #Covid19 surge; given the number of new cases, it'll become mayhem https://gazette.com/ap/national/hot-spot-california-hospitals-buckle-as-virus-cases-surge/article_9f17248c-2fa7-51b7-97cc-f657cddc752b.html
[23:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> Hot spot: California hospitals buckle as virus cases surge | National | gazette.com
[23:23]	schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19689310
[23:23]	schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19689310
[23:23]	schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19689314
[23:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: With 3 hours to go, #covid19 death toll in the US already exceeds that of '9/11' and it has become the 'new normal' (worse than '9/11' per day) 
[23:24]	schestowitz	[23:14] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: Anyway, I went through Maricel's karaoke machine last year picking out all the songs to thumb my nose at them with.
[23:24]	schestowitz	"(I'm) crazy" is a classic
[23:25]	schestowitz	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDUiUgmTb-I
[23:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Kings don't walk to the ring! Tyson Fury carried to the ring on a throne | Wilder v Fury 2 - YouTube
[23:34]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: It's insane, and there's people out there who still compare it to a cold virus.
[23:34]	DaemonFC[m]	Or insist that they are faking death certificates to...what? Make the people in charge look worse?
[23:34]	schestowitz	flu and the cold don't fill up hospitals
[23:34]	schestowitz	not even when there's no annual lockdown
[23:34]	schestowitz	also, we don't have a real, effective, proven vaccine for covid
[23:35]	schestowitz	we have some for the flu
[23:35]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: anyway, look at excess death
[23:35]	schestowitz	never mind causes of death
[23:35]	schestowitz	and then you see a  big uptick
[23:35]	schestowitz	https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274
[23:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Covid-19 in the UK: How many coronavirus cases are there in your area? - BBC News
[23:35]	DaemonFC[m]	They're noticing that the flu shot seems to have some positive effects against COVID-19.
[23:36]	schestowitz	https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08hfjww
[23:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - The News Explained, How Many Are Really Dying From Coronavirus?
[23:36]	schestowitz	Covid: Deaths 10% higher than normal as virus deaths rise https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54785358
[23:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Covid: Deaths 10% higher than normal as virus deaths rise - BBC News
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[23:38]	schestowitz	those deaths include old age
[23:38]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/17/us/trump-casino-demolish-trnd/index.html
[23:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-You can now bid on the chance to demolish President Trump's former defunct Atlantic City, NJ casino - CNN
[23:38]	schestowitz	2,803 in US now
[23:38]	schestowitz	2.5 hours to go
[23:46]	DaemonFC[m]	Bagging and tagging them while trying to convince the rest that a vaccine that might give them a few hours of fatigue and a mild headache is not bad in comparison.
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[23:49]	DaemonFC[m]	And it was Pence who led a "Life is Winning" event at the White House on Wednesday to tout the Trump administration's work on abortion.
[23:49]	DaemonFC[m]	Next month Biden repeals the Mexico City Policy again.
[23:50]	DaemonFC[m]	And gives California its Medicaid funds.
[23:50]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/17/politics/mike-pence-coronavirus-vaccine-moment/index.html
[23:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Is this Mike Pence's moment? - CNNPolitics
[23:51]	DaemonFC[m]	Trump walks away from presidential duties and Mike Pence shows up to all of it instead. Yeah why not.
[23:51]	DaemonFC[m]	Getting some brand recognition for 2024.
[23:51]	DaemonFC[m]	On the taxpayer dime no less.
[23:51]	schestowitz	Is CNN still pushing vaccine profiteers as experts?
[23:51]	DaemonFC[m]	Yeah.
[23:51]	schestowitz	yuck
[23:51]	schestowitz	I saw some yesterday in Linux feeds
[23:51]	schestowitz	showing "the troops"
[23:51]	DaemonFC[m]	Pence has been so quiet over the last 4 years that you really wouldn't even know we had a vice president.
[23:51]	schestowitz	female, obviously...
[23:52]	schestowitz	sleepy joe was also quiet under Obama
[23:52]	schestowitz	maybe better that way
[23:52]	schestowitz	Biden was a lot worse
[23:53]	DaemonFC[m]	Even Biden wasn't this quiet. 
[23:53]	DaemonFC[m]	It's pretty clear that Mike Pence's job was to stay out of the way and absolutely never show up or do anything unless Trump said he could.
[23:54]	DaemonFC[m]	At this point, it doesn't really matter because Trump lost.
[23:54]	DaemonFC[m]	He says he might come back in 2024, but it's doubtful.
[23:54]	DaemonFC[m]	As for designating one of his sons to run for president, eww, and no. 
[23:54]	DaemonFC[m]	They've been even more toxic over the last 4 years than he has.
[23:55]	DaemonFC[m]	And Don Jr. is on record saying Coronavirus is fake and it would all disappear from the news right after the election.
[23:57]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/17/politics/mike-rogers-covid-congress/index.html
[23:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Alabama GOP congressman becomes 4th House member in a week to disclose Covid-19 diagnosis - CNNPolitics
[23:57]	DaemonFC[m]	Three times as many Republicans in Congress have had COVID-19 than Democrats.
[23:57]	DaemonFC[m]	That's pretty impressive considering that they're the minority party in the much larger House.
[23:58]	DaemonFC[m]	Most of the outbreak within the government has been Republicans.
[23:58]	DaemonFC[m]	When you factor in Trump Administration officials, it's like 10 Republicans per Democrat or something that have had COVID.
[23:58]	DaemonFC[m]	Virtually everyone in the administration has given it to each other.
[23:59]	DaemonFC[m]	As for why they aren't dying, it's pretty simple really.
[23:59]	DaemonFC[m]	They have the best doctors who are actually prescribing them stuff like monoclonal antibodies that some hack that your HMO allows you to see won't and you couldn't pay for it even if they did.