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| DaemonFC[m] | Being open source and having multiple implementations is always a great thing. | Jun 18 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | anyway, after 15 years with all this advocacy one thing I learned that mentioning things like this wsl thing would only help them | Jun 18 00:00 |
| schestowitz | it's the ONLY thing other than black duck (and similar) FUD that I refuse to even include in Daily Links... AT ALL | Jun 18 00:00 |
| schestowitz | and I won't put links here, except the phoronix ones | Jun 18 00:00 |
| schestowitz | we'll see if tomorrow this googlebombing campaign carries on and, if so, who participates in it | Jun 18 00:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I played around with WMA just for the hell of it back when I had Windows and then I was like "Well, at low bitrates there's clearly these weird ringing artifacts and they've managed to make a lossy audio codec that's worse than MP3 and undocumented. Great.". | Jun 18 00:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They were pushing it hard. | Jun 18 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Canonical has not yet said anything.... not did Red Hat and SUSE | Jun 18 00:01 |
| schestowitz | (if they do say something to that effect, we'll spot is promptly over RSS feeds) | Jun 18 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Someone pulled the WMA format apart and came up with a specification. It's not poorly designed in theory. Microsoft's own encoder has a faulty block switching algorithm and even in their "new and improved" codecs they never quite fixed that. | Jun 18 00:02 |
| schestowitz | corporate-level endorsements of WSL do merit a response in techrights, not BS 'blogs' that give lip service to what they pretend to be "SUPPORT" for "LINUX" rather than assault on it | Jun 18 00:02 |
| schestowitz | now with directX yay! | Jun 18 00:03 |
| schestowitz | Just what we al wanted | Jun 18 00:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It has 5 block sizes to choose from, which was clearly designed by someone to make it more efficient to code transient signals and short attacks. | Jun 18 00:03 |
| schestowitz | things that work in WSL.... but not in the 'old' and 'fake' linux that doesn't come with DRM "Store" from Redmond | Jun 18 00:03 |
| MinceR | now with directx, all you have to do is run Backdoors10 with WSL | Jun 18 00:03 |
| MinceR | "linux" | Jun 18 00:03 |
| schestowitz | Oh, BTW, of course ZDNet played along with it... | Jun 18 00:03 |
| schestowitz | wait... | Jun 18 00:03 |
| MinceR | WSL2, probably | Jun 18 00:03 |
| schestowitz | very top story in their "LINUX" section: | Jun 18 00:04 |
| schestowitz | https://www.zdnet.com/topic/linux/ | Jun 18 00:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux | ZDNet | Jun 18 00:04 | |
| schestowitz | ":Microsoft pushes new Windows 10 test branch to its Dev Channel testers" | Jun 18 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Does not even MENTION the word "Linuix" | Jun 18 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 3 more block sizes than MP3 (which is also hobbled by poorly chosen sizes and the subband coding phase), AAC, or Vorbis, and it still manages to screw up its decisions to the point of being worse than MP3. | Jun 18 00:04 |
| psydroid | I've also noticed CentOS doesn't even have links to non-x86 images on its site for 8.2, you have to go to a mirror and specifically look for them | Jun 18 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Welcome to ZDNet twilight zone, top story in Linux is... Vista10 | Jun 18 00:04 |
| schestowitz | 5th story from the top is also vista10 | Jun 18 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd like to know how WMA development happened. They designed a really great bitstream specification and then wrote a shitty encoder? | Jun 18 00:05 |
| psydroid | like this, http://mirror.proserve.nl/centos/8.2.2004/isos/ | Jun 18 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The patents on WMA Standard are expired now, and the ASF container it uses. It would be interesting if someone developed a new psy model for it that worked right. | Jun 18 00:06 |
| MinceR | they probably hired some external people to design the spec and then had their usual code monkeys implement it :> | Jun 18 00:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mirror.proserve.nl | Index of /centos/8.2.2004/isos | Jun 18 00:06 | |
| schestowitz | (also side note about phoronix -- discussed with rianne_ the other day -- it tends to cover totally linux-unrelated crap like new hardware announcements form Intel and AMD... no connection at all to any OS... gamingonlinux (Liam) did the same for AMD the other day) | Jun 18 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Not about games, not Linux | Jun 18 00:07 |
| schestowitz | so you end up with "slow news day" so-called 'linux' sites covering windows and microchips | Jun 18 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The decode requirements are steeper for WMA as in CPU cycles, but about the same for working memory as MP3. | Jun 18 00:07 |
| schestowitz | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Amazon-AWS-Snowcone | Jun 18 00:07 |
| schestowitz | this is hours old | Jun 18 00:07 |
| schestowitz | not linux | Jun 18 00:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Amazon Introduces AWS Snowcone: 8TB Of Storage For Edge Computing Within 9 x 6 x 3 Inches - Phoronix | Jun 18 00:07 | |
| schestowitz | just some crap about clown computing | Jun 18 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Vorbis has WMA-style CPU requirements and a need for way more working memory. | Jun 18 00:07 |
| schestowitz | photonix is desperate for traffic, no major stories going viral for months and he relies on ad revenue | Jun 18 00:08 |
| schestowitz | and the spyware in all articles/forum posts | Jun 18 00:08 |
| schestowitz | SUSE has just dumped garbage again https://suse.com/c/innovation-accelerated/ | Jun 18 00:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: One of the complaints RMS made about Amazon MP# no longer applies. | Jun 18 00:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Accelerate Your Innovation With SUSE! - SUSE Communities | Jun 18 00:09 | |
| schestowitz | still, better than SUSE advertising azure/wsl/msvs or similar | Jun 18 00:09 |
| schestowitz | the suse blog became really awful | Jun 18 00:09 |
| schestowitz | it's run by their marketing team | Jun 18 00:09 |
| schestowitz | not technical people at all | Jun 18 00:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When you click download album now, it hands you a zip file full of the MP3s. withou forcing you to use proprietary "Cloud Downloader" nonsense. | Jun 18 00:09 |
| schestowitz | "By: stacey_miller | 19 views" | Jun 18 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes their posts barely exceed even 100 views | Jun 18 00:09 |
| schestowitz | which makes you wonder if suse makes money just from some lucrative sap contracts | Jun 18 00:10 |
| schestowitz | (which they now claim to have 10,000 of) | Jun 18 00:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems Amazon went and did new rips of most of their stuff using LAME 3.100 at -V0. | Jun 18 00:10 |
| schestowitz | why would people need those companies for music? | Jun 18 00:10 |
| schestowitz | I now have this 4-hour track of music, compilation of albums | Jun 18 00:10 |
| schestowitz | plus videos with lyrics | Jun 18 00:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm surprised that Amazon hasn't ripped up the stakes and told everyone they "need" Amazon Music Prime bullshit. | Jun 18 00:11 |
| schestowitz | you can get those freely, legally, over the web | Jun 18 00:11 |
| schestowitz | later you can store these away on external hdd | Jun 18 00:11 |
| schestowitz | "Cloud" music... | Jun 18 00:11 |
| schestowitz | you mean rental | Jun 18 00:11 |
| schestowitz | or streaming i.e. spying | Jun 18 00:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I did some more testing. Seems that it's mostly worth making yet another pass over my library with WavPack Extra High x3. | Jun 18 00:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I've got my computer plugging away at it. | Jun 18 00:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | x6 is only worth the painfully slow encode process on higher resolution audio. | Jun 18 00:12 |
| psydroid | I told you about Gemini, which isn't anything special and just took things from Gopher with some more modern features, before, but these are people who work at Microsoft and are already trying to eee a technology that has barely taken off | Jun 18 00:13 |
| psydroid | https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2020/000849.html | Jun 18 00:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | Announcing garnet, a new (soon-to-be) TUI client | Jun 18 00:13 | |
| schestowitz | emojis? | Jun 18 00:13 |
| psydroid | https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2020/000850.html | Jun 18 00:13 |
| schestowitz | in email? | Jun 18 00:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | vostok: my protocol-agnostic framework, with (very basic) gemini support | Jun 18 00:13 | |
| schestowitz | is that just unicode? | Jun 18 00:13 |
| psydroid | like really, are they pathetic like that? | Jun 18 00:13 |
| psydroid | I don't know to be honest | Jun 18 00:14 |
| XRevan86 | It's just Unicode, in this case UTF-8. | Jun 18 00:17 |
| *insmodppa (~insmod@unaffiliated/insmodppa) has joined #techrights | Jun 18 00:17 | |
| XRevan86 | They can probably be used in addresses too with SMTPUTF8 %). | Jun 18 00:18 |
| MinceR | (cat) (audio) https://imgur.com/gallery/8Enft64 | Jun 18 00:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-May I offer you a cat in these stressful times. - Album on Imgur | Jun 18 00:19 | |
| XRevan86 | Really don't see any boundaries, any by… ehem, octet size is fine. | Jun 18 00:21 |
| schestowitz | bbl, just got some info leak... | Jun 18 00:22 |
| XRevan86 | I don't think many people realise that email actually supports non-ASCII addresses, which could be for the best for the time being | Jun 18 00:24 |
| MinceR | i'm glad not many people realize that | Jun 18 00:24 |
| MinceR | they'd abuse it | Jun 18 00:24 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That too. | Jun 18 00:25 |
| XRevan86 | I was thinking from a technical standpoint, which is that there are old MTAs out there that don't know this stuff, and they'll have to get some kind of fallback. | Jun 18 00:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was reading the SBC specification. It does have a joint stereo mode, but it usually doesn't improve quality much if the link is capable of 345 kbps. | Jun 18 00:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Switching to it if the link speed drops lower might be useful though. | Jun 18 00:30 |
| *willyg_cos (~joed@95.211.172.97.adsl.inet-telecom.org) has joined #techrights | Jun 18 00:35 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Almost afraid to ask, but....abuse it, how? | Jun 18 00:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It would be hard to make email worse than it is now, with spam and HTML. | Jun 18 00:42 |
| schestowitz | So now Canonical is OFFICIALLY pushing WSL/Windows again https://ubuntu.com/blog/getting-started-with-cuda-on-ubuntu-on-wsl-2 | Jun 18 00:42 |
| MinceR | use characters with similar appearance to make it seem you're getting mail from a different source | Jun 18 00:43 |
| schestowitz | Canonical = lost cause | Jun 18 00:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Getting started with CUDA on Ubuntu on WSL 2 | Ubuntu | Jun 18 00:43 | |
| MinceR | have unreadable addresses | Jun 18 00:43 |
| MinceR | exploit bugs in email software | Jun 18 00:43 |
| MinceR | and of course have addresses you can't send mail to | Jun 18 00:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | AMP just sound like someone said "You can't make web programming worse." and Google said "Hold my beer!". | Jun 18 00:43 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 18 00:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sites written for Netscape Navigator mostly work fine on my phone. | Jun 18 00:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why do we need AMP, exactly? | Jun 18 00:44 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: It's bloat to cache bloat | Jun 18 00:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Cloudflare is creepy as fuck, but everyone from porn, to pirates, to the FBI are using it now. | Jun 18 00:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, the FBI. | Jun 18 00:45 |
| MinceR | maybe they should just try putting less crap into their pages | Jun 18 00:47 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows: FLOSS Weekly, Linux Headlines and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/138883 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8181b0ed-d6b9-4b89-aacc-861179b00a01] | Jun 18 00:50 | |
| schestowitz | folks, what should we do about the wsl googlebomb? | Jun 18 00:52 |
| schestowitz | any approach to this? | Jun 18 00:52 |
| schestowitz | I'm thinking, just mentioning it would be self-harming | Jun 18 00:52 |
| schestowitz | calling out those who promote it, like ubuntu? We did that weeks ago? | Jun 18 00:52 |
| schestowitz | The EEE can advance is these useful idiots and paid collaborators carry on | Jun 18 00:53 |
| schestowitz | I think it's getting to the point where it's risky to ignore because they're at second E now, with DirectX | Jun 18 00:53 |
| psydroid | a grassroots approach to circumvent all of their attempts | Jun 18 00:55 |
| psydroid | the decentralised alternative is going to be important to guide people away from github | Jun 18 00:56 |
| psydroid | if github is just one site out of millions it will lose its appeal quickly | Jun 18 00:57 |
| schestowitz | yes, we have had a go at this task | Jun 18 00:58 |
| schestowitz | but like skype, it can take years for people to flee | Jun 18 00:58 |
| schestowitz | skype used to be near monopoly.. | Jun 18 00:58 |
| schestowitz | now? | Jun 18 00:58 |
| schestowitz | Zoom, WhatsApp... | Jun 18 00:58 |
| schestowitz | Not sure how to measure share, but let's say Skype went from 80% of VOIP to maybe 20% | Jun 18 00:59 |
| schestowitz | and nobody is talking about it! | Jun 18 00:59 |
| schestowitz | linkedin seemed stronger when Microsoft bought it | Jun 18 00:59 |
| schestowitz | I rarely come across any meaningful posts on there anymore... just some suits and lawyers use it stil | Jun 18 00:59 |
| schestowitz | to seem "professional" | Jun 18 00:59 |
| psydroid | Microsoft runs everything into the ground | Jun 18 01:00 |
| schestowitz | Nothing says professional like being a pawn for a company of criminals that bribes officials. :-) | Jun 18 01:00 |
| schestowitz | psydroid: yes, but they keep buying | Jun 18 01:00 |
| schestowitz | I hope the pandemic kills their cash cows | Jun 18 01:00 |
| schestowitz | which is businesses that overpay for crap | Jun 18 01:00 |
| schestowitz | no more office buildings buying $100,000 contracts | Jun 18 01:00 |
| schestowitz | so Microsoft now licks Trump's boots | Jun 18 01:01 |
| schestowitz | for military, ICE contracts etc. | Jun 18 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Someone from Microsoft sent me this hours ago: | Jun 18 01:01 |
| schestowitz | [00:29] <schestowitz> > People think I’m joking when I say that Microsoft is ironically full of weird hypocritical nationalists. IE people who take an undue amount of pride in their country that dare not question the merits or intentions of the government entities using their products while simultaneously taking great pride in working and living for a company notorious for skirting taxes and anti-trust laws established by the very | Jun 18 01:01 |
| schestowitz | same government. | Jun 18 01:01 |
| schestowitz | [00:29] <schestowitz> > | Jun 18 01:01 |
| schestowitz | [00:29] <schestowitz> > However, I often get the last laugh when the look of deep concern consumes their face after reminding them that the Microsoft gun club had like 20k members before being closed down for PC purposes and that I don’t use the term “nationalist” lightly. 🤣 | Jun 18 01:01 |
| psydroid | that shows how deep they've already fallen | Jun 18 01:04 |
| psydroid | no one said it was going to happen fast, but it's happening now | Jun 18 01:04 |
| schestowitz | BUT... | Jun 18 01:04 |
| schestowitz | I need help | Jun 18 01:04 |
| schestowitz | we need to counter the attacks | Jun 18 01:04 |
| schestowitz | they try to take us all down with them | Jun 18 01:04 |
| schestowitz | Phoronix, omgubuntu etc. don't get it | Jun 18 01:05 |
| schestowitz | and they play along with their gameplay/strategy | Jun 18 01:05 |
| schestowitz | as does canonical | Jun 18 01:05 |
| schestowitz | we need more people out there | Jun 18 01:05 |
| schestowitz | to counter the BS | Jun 18 01:05 |
| schestowitz | and maybe then they'll stop aiding the foe that tells us it "loves us" | Jun 18 01:05 |
| psydroid | I'm quite sure they do get it, but just don't care | Jun 18 01:05 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure | Jun 18 01:05 |
| schestowitz | look how long they promoted mono for | Jun 18 01:06 |
| schestowitz | until Microsoft bought mono | Jun 18 01:06 |
| schestowitz | (xamarin) | Jun 18 01:06 |
| schestowitz | we had major disputes with omgubuntu and phoronix over this | Jun 18 01:06 |
| schestowitz | and at the end it turned out we were righg | Jun 18 01:06 |
| psydroid | maybe that's the cynic in me, though | Jun 18 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I will do some memes later | Jun 18 01:12 |
| schestowitz | need to think of how to combine humour with facts | Jun 18 01:12 |
| psydroid | the way I see it is that as long as there is an industry (hardware, software, news etc.) that is attached to and grew up with wintel, it will always choose what is needed for its own survival | Jun 18 01:12 |
| schestowitz | they can decide to diverse | Jun 18 01:12 |
| schestowitz | it may mean some bad quarters | Jun 18 01:12 |
| schestowitz | bad things like layoffs | Jun 18 01:13 |
| schestowitz | but in the long run necessary | Jun 18 01:13 |
| schestowitz | problem is, ceos etc. are judged by boards on short-term basis | Jun 18 01:13 |
| schestowitz | so saying, let's axe all these Luddites of the WIndows division and hire new would be hard to sell | Jun 18 01:13 |
| psydroid | I agree | Jun 18 01:13 |
| schestowitz | as it would mean short-term losses | Jun 18 01:13 |
| schestowitz | Novell died this way | Jun 18 01:13 |
| MinceR | didn't novell die by selling out their own customers? | Jun 18 01:15 |
| schestowitz | developers | Jun 18 01:15 |
| schestowitz | more so than customers | Jun 18 01:15 |
| schestowitz | their customers were businesses that hardly cared about GPL or "LINUX"... | Jun 18 01:15 |
| schestowitz | but the geeks hired by those customers didn't think too highly of Novell anymore and they participate in decision-making processes | Jun 18 01:16 |
| schestowitz | also, novell was killed by Microsoft for its patents, not just by the customers rejecting Novell | Jun 18 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Canonical is next | Jun 18 01:16 |
| schestowitz | IBM is a danger in and of its own right | Jun 18 01:16 |
| schestowitz | they're still monopolists | Jun 18 01:16 |
| psydroid | SUSE after that? | Jun 18 01:17 |
| psydroid | IBM is going through a hell of its own making now | Jun 18 01:17 |
| psydroid | 20k people getting fired in the US, I read the other day | Jun 18 01:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | IBM does a lot of ridiculous things and gets away with it though. | Jun 18 01:19 |
| schestowitz | where does the 20k number come from? | Jun 18 01:19 |
| schestowitz | I read "thousands" in "five states" | Jun 18 01:19 |
| schestowitz | inc. NC | Jun 18 01:19 |
| schestowitz | which is where Red Hat is based | Jun 18 01:19 |
| schestowitz | so that makes you wonder | Jun 18 01:19 |
| schestowitz | iirc, ibm itself is based near rohester, nj and that area near nys | Jun 18 01:19 |
| schestowitz | nc is very red hatty | Jun 18 01:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it hadn't sold its PC business to Lenovo for peanuts, it would have a vertically integrated solution in the PC market right now. | Jun 18 01:20 |
| schestowitz | maybe | Jun 18 01:20 |
| schestowitz | is that sector still profitable? | Jun 18 01:20 |
| schestowitz | I guess people paying $1000 for some shitty phone can be more profitable | Jun 18 01:20 |
| schestowitz | (which it's not pndemic anyway) | Jun 18 01:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The PC with Linux business has a much better margin than PC with Windows. | Jun 18 01:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Lower share, but higher margin. Not all of that is Windows licensing, it's that you can sell better hardware and that's markup. | Jun 18 01:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I reconfigured GRUB to get rid of that horrible ungainly mess of per-mitigation override and opt out of anything they do to make up for those Intel bugs in the future with a single command. | Jun 18 01:23 |
| schestowitz | are you on f32? | Jun 18 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | KPTI by itself wasn't terrible, but enough mitigations had piled up, each with its own significant penalty "if you do that", that the overall drag was getting bad. | Jun 18 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yep. | Jun 18 01:24 |
| schestowitz | I saw some gnome video yesterday | Jun 18 01:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I suppose Ubuntu is fundamentally fine lately since they got rid of most of their buggy "Why the hell did they think that was going to work?" stuff. | Jun 18 01:24 |
| schestowitz | I thought they had already removed it from the CoC | Jun 18 01:25 |
| schestowitz | But maybe they just "clarified" instead | Jun 18 01:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe if they get rid of Snap entirely I'll give it a look. | Jun 18 01:25 |
| schestowitz | have a look https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a02fdZZOHlQ | Jun 18 01:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GNOME Promotes Racism And Should Be Cancelled - YouTube | Jun 18 01:25 | |
| schestowitz | tell us what you think, partly as a gay man | Jun 18 01:25 |
| schestowitz | I don't agree with some of his finer points | Jun 18 01:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Computer is a little slow right now. | Jun 18 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Lunduke brought this up months ago after people had complained | Jun 18 01:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I have WavPack making a pass over about 1,400 CDs. | Jun 18 01:26 |
| MinceR | it would be interesting indeed if gnome was cancelled over sjw stuff :> | Jun 18 01:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When it gets done with this 18 disc set I'll take a look. | Jun 18 01:26 |
| MinceR | ibm would be hung by their own petard | Jun 18 01:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Mom hates it when I refer to old people dying of COVID-19 as "Republican victims of their own success.". | Jun 18 01:27 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 18 01:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said in March that this would have a death toll in the US of something like both nuclear bombs dropped on Japan. | Jun 18 01:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | IMHE raised their total figure from 68,300 to 201,000, which at least isn't a knee slapper of a lie anymore. | Jun 18 01:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That only runs through October 1st though. | Jun 18 01:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I determined how aggressive is "worth it" for WavPack on various bit depths and sampling rates. | Jun 18 01:29 |
| schestowitz | [01:26] <MinceR> it would be interesting indeed if gnome was cancelled over sjw stuff :> | Jun 18 01:30 |
| schestowitz | I don't agree with that video title actually, and doubt it'll cancel anything | Jun 18 01:30 |
| MinceR | yeah | Jun 18 01:30 |
| MinceR | i have yet to see crybullies take down crybullies | Jun 18 01:30 |
| schestowitz | a better argument I saw in Debian for shunning GNOME was integration with red hat stuff like "systemdick" | Jun 18 01:31 |
| MinceR | they're a bit late | Jun 18 01:31 |
| schestowitz | the social justice types don't pick on large companies | Jun 18 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat, Intel, Microsoft | Jun 18 01:31 |
| schestowitz | They tend to pick on those who pick on those companies | Jun 18 01:31 |
| schestowitz | and then get jobs there... | Jun 18 01:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Higher than CD can be worth Extra High x6, but you are bumping awfully close to the limits of WavPack at Extra High x3 on 16/44.1. You can get 90% of the total reduction vs Extra High x0 at 1/3rd the speed. To get that last 10-20 KB out of a WavPack 16/44.1 file you have to further slow the encoder to about 1/20th of that speed. | Jun 18 01:32 |
| psydroid | GNOME has been cancelled here for years and I only ever used it when KDE was going through the motions in its transition from 3.5 to 4.x | Jun 18 01:32 |
| schestowitz | try plasma5, it's good | Jun 18 01:33 |
| schestowitz | if you have more than 2gb of ram | Jun 18 01:33 |
| psydroid | I run it everywhere I can, I've always used KDE | Jun 18 01:34 |
| psydroid | except when it was simply too buggy to be usable | Jun 18 01:35 |
| schestowitz | kate got very good | Jun 18 01:37 |
| schestowitz | I was very unhappy after kde3 and kde4 kate | Jun 18 01:37 |
| schestowitz | as they removed features | Jun 18 01:37 |
| schestowitz | that had worked perfectly ok | Jun 18 01:37 |
| schestowitz | and plugins | Jun 18 01:37 |
| schestowitz | but now they added some nice features | Jun 18 01:37 |
| schestowitz | and I cannot spot any bugs | Jun 18 01:37 |
| schestowitz | not even minor ones | Jun 18 01:37 |
| schestowitz | I use 3 windows of kate, connected to the same session, over several desktops, and each has many tabs with syntax highlighting, spellcheck (still a tad buddy) | Jun 18 01:38 |
| schestowitz | *buggy | Jun 18 01:38 |
| schestowitz | When not used as ide for code it is very good for text, todo, html editing etc. | Jun 18 01:38 |
| schestowitz | konversation, which I use now, is stable and seems almost bug-free. plasma5 is in general very stable these days | Jun 18 01:39 |
| schestowitz | konqueror is my main browser, works most of the time | Jun 18 01:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <schestowitz "konversation, which I use now, i"> How's touch support working? | Jun 18 01:40 |
| schestowitz | that's why I keep telling people to give kde another glance/look/chance | Jun 18 01:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, hidpi. | Jun 18 01:40 |
| schestowitz | touch screen? | Jun 18 01:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. | Jun 18 01:40 |
| schestowitz | don't know, don't use these | Jun 18 01:40 |
| schestowitz | I also use standard display devices/outputs | Jun 18 01:40 |
| schestowitz | I swapped the vga cables today | Jun 18 01:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was a pretty big mess as of 5.13, as far as touch/hidpi. | Jun 18 01:41 |
| schestowitz | the braids on the old one were becoming too wonky, I'd lose one of the three colour bands too often and had to jerk the wire too much | Jun 18 01:41 |
| schestowitz | I think I'm on 5.13 | Jun 18 01:41 |
| schestowitz | roy@vonick:~$ plasmashell --version | Jun 18 01:42 |
| schestowitz | plasmashell 5.14.5 | Jun 18 01:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Kubuntu 20.04 says 5.18. | Jun 18 01:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fedora KDE has managed to be worse than just about any other KDE distribution. | Jun 18 01:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not something Red Hat uses, so it gets no attention really. | Jun 18 01:43 |
| psydroid | I think even Debian gets it better than Red Hat when it comes to KDE | Jun 18 01:45 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat dumped KDE | Jun 18 01:45 |
| schestowitz | They shelved the message about it under IBM takeover news | Jun 18 01:45 |
| schestowitz | strategic timing | Jun 18 01:46 |
| schestowitz | this means that many people did not notice or no longer remember | Jun 18 01:46 |
| MinceR | kde deserved it | Jun 18 01:46 |
| schestowitz | people were talking about IBM and there was no outrage over their KDE slipped-in news | Jun 18 01:46 |
| schestowitz | gnome is worse in some regards | Jun 18 01:46 |
| MinceR | they supported systemd, so they deserve to be thrown under the bus by the systemd people | Jun 18 01:46 |
| MinceR | maybe they'll learn from it | Jun 18 01:46 |
| schestowitz | it's a red hat playground | Jun 18 01:46 |
| MinceR | (though i really don't know what they expected) | Jun 18 01:46 |
| schestowitz | ah, as if kde shunning systemd would help get red hat's support?@ | Jun 18 01:47 |
| MinceR | no, but it would help get someone's support | Jun 18 01:47 |
| MinceR | red hat pushes gnome and in their little world, there's no room for choice | Jun 18 01:47 |
| psydroid | does kde even work with gnu shepherd? | Jun 18 01:47 |
| schestowitz | kde is not a gnu project | Jun 18 01:49 |
| schestowitz | (unlike gnome) | Jun 18 01:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh god.... | Jun 18 01:50 |
| schestowitz | which cancels the person who leads the gnu project lol\ | Jun 18 01:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Watching that video. The GNOME CoC is pretty barf-inducing. | Jun 18 01:50 |
| schestowitz | remember: | Jun 18 01:50 |
| schestowitz | white people, so-called 'white' are NOT a majority | Jun 18 01:50 |
| MinceR | gnome's been hostile to gnu for quite a while, afaict | Jun 18 01:50 |
| schestowitz | in economically better off countries they are | Jun 18 01:50 |
| schestowitz | half of the world is asian | Jun 18 01:50 |
| MinceR | they even discussed leaving the gnu project | Jun 18 01:50 |
| schestowitz | and there are far more chinese or indian (Either) than "whites" | Jun 18 01:51 |
| MinceR | they must have decided they can do more damage from inside | Jun 18 01:51 |
| schestowitz | but someone you can be racist against indians but it's totally unacceptable that the opposite would ever be claimed | Jun 18 01:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, I'm glad someone had time to write this since all of the horrendous memory leaks and CPU stalling behaviors of GNOME have been solved. | Jun 18 01:52 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 18 01:52 |
| psydroid | the only way to solve them is by cancelling the project | Jun 18 01:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Someone at Canonical has been tasked with a litany of bugs that GNOME has been happy to leave open for the last decade. | Jun 18 01:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So each cycle things get better when they wouldn't have. Daniel van Vugt seems to be working on this. | Jun 18 01:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So far he's profiled the shell and GTK itself and has worked out dozens of memory leaks and situations where it stalls out or drops frames. | Jun 18 01:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's much less frustrating than it used to be. | Jun 18 01:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most notable, at least for me, is the work he did on making the X11 session more responsive. | Jun 18 01:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Phoronix did look at Wayland v. X11 on GNOME recently and memory consumption and power usage were lower on the X11 session. | Jun 18 01:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Firefox has native Wayland support, but it's much slower than just running on X11 (not XWayland). | Jun 18 02:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then there's Windows games. Windows games in Wine take a severe hit in performance on Wayland because of XWayland lag. | Jun 18 02:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the user facing experience in Wayland is much worse, and that's why Ubuntu still defaults to X. | Jun 18 02:01 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 18 02:09 |
| schestowitz | 1) Very good, so there are still a few brave people in office. | Jun 18 02:09 |
| schestowitz | 2) Let me see what I can do here. | Jun 18 02:09 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 18 02:09 |
| schestowitz | we got some new info | Jun 18 02:09 |
| schestowitz | "As to your question, as far as I can remember SUEPO published the last Observer in 2014." | Jun 18 02:14 |
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| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: why would you compare COVID-19 to AIDS | Jun 18 03:49 |
| CrystalMath | one is invariably deadly without treatment and the other is survived normally by 99% | Jun 18 03:49 |
| CrystalMath | (also without treatment) | Jun 18 03:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because HIV/AIDS is much harder to transmit and is less of a threat. | Jun 18 03:50 |
| CrystalMath | but you're aware that millions die of AIDS every year? | Jun 18 03:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You don't get it by going to the supermarket. | Jun 18 03:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | About 7,000 in the US in a year. Give COVID-19 that long without a vaccine and it'll be 350,000. | Jun 18 03:51 |
| CrystalMath | i don't believe COVID-19 could kill 350,000 if you give it 2 years | Jun 18 03:52 |
| CrystalMath | not everyone is susceptible | Jun 18 03:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Effective HIV treatments means few people die of it and that if you're following treatment, it's hard to spread it. | Jun 18 03:52 |
| CrystalMath | and yet millions die every year | Jun 18 03:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why not? In 80 days, it's killed at least 120,000 people | Jun 18 03:53 |
| CrystalMath | because it only kills some people | Jun 18 03:53 |
| CrystalMath | you need more susceptible people to get old in time | Jun 18 03:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even if you assume it slows down, a lot, it has over 9 more months to kill the rest. | Jun 18 03:53 |
| CrystalMath | but susceptible people could be as young as 30-something | Jun 18 03:53 |
| CrystalMath | this year malaria killed more | Jun 18 03:53 |
| CrystalMath | you may claim that this is because of measures, but Belarus and Sweden show a very low death count despite taking no measures at all | Jun 18 03:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the US, new HIV infections have been going down year over year, for several years. | Jun 18 03:54 |
| CrystalMath | in the rest of the world they've been going up or staying up | Jun 18 03:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It has a negative R0 in the US. | Jun 18 03:55 |
| CrystalMath | you mean less than 1 | Jun 18 03:55 |
| CrystalMath | in africa HIV has an R0 above 1 | Jun 18 03:55 |
| insmodppa | As long as you're not the affected group dying or suffering of something, it's no big deal. Modern western culture breeds sociopaths. | Jun 18 03:55 |
| CrystalMath | if i wasn't asexual, HIV isn't why i'd care about condoms at all | Jun 18 03:56 |
| CrystalMath | i'd be way more worried about syphillis | Jun 18 03:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, my doctor told me I had that last year, and gave me very painful shots and then said "Oh wait, the lab messed up.". | Jun 18 03:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I threw her and the lab in the bankruptcy and haven't gone back. | Jun 18 03:58 |
| CrystalMath | honestly HIV is not so bad at all | Jun 18 03:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've managed to avoid it. | Jun 18 03:59 |
| CrystalMath | i probably did, dunno, never tested | Jun 18 03:59 |
| CrystalMath | did = did avoid it | Jun 18 04:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh this guy I was messing around with on Grindr a few years ago, my condom broke and I ended up going to the walk in clinic to take a round of PEP. | Jun 18 04:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Made me sick for like a month but it beats taking a risk on having HIV for the rest of your life. | Jun 18 04:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Those extra thin condoms are useless. The reviews on Amazon of all the people who used Trojan Bare Skin and got their girlfriend pregnant are proof of that. | Jun 18 04:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The can't make a good condom, and Bill Gates supposedly was funding research into that. | Jun 18 04:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He got all the PR without them ever making a product. | Jun 18 04:04 |
| CrystalMath | really i think you just took dangerous antiretrovirals for no reason | Jun 18 04:04 |
| CrystalMath | i wouldn't take that if i had HIV | Jun 18 04:05 |
| CrystalMath | let alone if there's a chance i don't | Jun 18 04:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Without them you're dead in 5-7 years usually. | Jun 18 04:05 |
| CrystalMath | well that's life | Jun 18 04:06 |
| CrystalMath | it ends | Jun 18 04:06 |
| CrystalMath | much better people have died | Jun 18 04:06 |
| schestowitz | [03:53] <CrystalMath> this year malaria killed more | Jun 18 04:08 |
| schestowitz | let covid-19 spread to one billion human hosts | Jun 18 04:08 |
| CrystalMath | i have data to prove that | Jun 18 04:08 |
| schestowitz | and the 'fun' beguns | Jun 18 04:08 |
| schestowitz | *begins | Jun 18 04:08 |
| CrystalMath | well, in Belarus it spread to 20,000+ | Jun 18 04:09 |
| schestowitz | so? | Jun 18 04:09 |
| schestowitz | That's few | Jun 18 04:09 |
| schestowitz | proportional to other countries | Jun 18 04:09 |
| CrystalMath | oh sorry | Jun 18 04:09 |
| CrystalMath | didn't check | Jun 18 04:09 |
| CrystalMath | 56,000 | Jun 18 04:09 |
| CrystalMath | 324 deaths | Jun 18 04:09 |
| schestowitz | so even worse | Jun 18 04:09 |
| CrystalMath | what's bad about a number of cases? | Jun 18 04:10 |
| CrystalMath | if what we're really counting is the cases of a harmless virus? | Jun 18 04:10 |
| schestowitz | give it to half the population, then you have hospitals unable to cater | Jun 18 04:10 |
| CrystalMath | you're assuming it's deadly up front | Jun 18 04:10 |
| schestowitz | and maybe 10,000 deaths, in a small country | Jun 18 04:10 |
| CrystalMath | doesn't mean it's not, but still, you assume it from the start | Jun 18 04:10 |
| CrystalMath | that's why a mere number of CASES scares you | Jun 18 04:10 |
| schestowitz | it's worse than influenza and passes easily | Jun 18 04:10 |
| schestowitz | also, we have flu shots | Jun 18 04:10 |
| schestowitz | we don't have covid-19 shots | Jun 18 04:11 |
| CrystalMath | and maybe they will work even worse than the flu ones | Jun 18 04:11 |
| schestowitz | or any other coronavirus, either, but I haven't checked older variants | Jun 18 04:11 |
| CrystalMath | considering that it's a coronavirus, it's gonna be hard to stop it | Jun 18 04:11 |
| schestowitz | maybe when we have shots we can led it spread again | Jun 18 04:11 |
| CrystalMath | well some of us never stopped it | Jun 18 04:12 |
| schestowitz | immunity can be vastly improved | Jun 18 04:12 |
| CrystalMath | and some of us now let it spread | Jun 18 04:12 |
| schestowitz | some people who defeat it already donate their plasma for antibodies | Jun 18 04:12 |
| CrystalMath | yes that is very good | Jun 18 04:12 |
| schestowitz | anyway, back to my articles... | Jun 18 04:12 |
| schestowitz | this is kind of a non-starter debate | Jun 18 04:12 |
| CrystalMath | i just said the truth, it killed less than malaria | Jun 18 04:13 |
| CrystalMath | malaria never infected a billion people at once | Jun 18 04:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Don't worry. Thanks to a French Quack , Trump, and Fox "News", the US has millions of rounds of treatment for a malaria drug that doesn't do a damned thing to COVID-19. | Jun 18 04:13 |
| schestowitz | apple and oranges... | Jun 18 04:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if we get a malaria outbreak, the Very Stable Genius has us prepared. | Jun 18 04:13 |
| schestowitz | malaria doesn't kill almost anybody here | Jun 18 04:13 |
| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: it has some antiviral effects | Jun 18 04:13 |
| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: on the other hand, malaria has pretty much worked around it | Jun 18 04:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wonder what Third Lady Malaria thinks about all of this. | Jun 18 04:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Probably that Trump can't die fast enough..... She'll get some money and that's the only reason she's playing along. | Jun 18 04:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She got her green card because of him. | Jun 18 04:16 |
| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: perhaps what i really wanted to comment was how i agree with your sentiment that bringing children into this world would be awful | Jun 18 04:18 |
| CrystalMath | it's just that, it's for the opposite reason | Jun 18 04:19 |
| CrystalMath | i believe globalism to be the cause of most suffering | Jun 18 04:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This ruling extending the Civil Right Act has right-wing Super PACs going apeshit. | Jun 18 04:19 |
| CrystalMath | in what way? | Jun 18 04:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They wanted more Republicans on the court and now they're screaming that they're activist judges legislating from the bench. | Jun 18 04:19 |
| CrystalMath | "Civil Rights Law Protects Gay and Transgender Workers, Supreme Court Rules" | Jun 18 04:20 |
| CrystalMath | is it this? | Jun 18 04:20 |
| CrystalMath | i consider myself right-wing and i find this okay | Jun 18 04:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I agree with Neil Gorsuch that it is completely irrelevant what lawmakers who have been dead for decades might have meant, because it is impossible to conclude that "sex discrimination" didn't happen if you're firing a gay person for doing something that you wouldn't fire a person of the opposite gender for. | Jun 18 04:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | John Roberts wrote the majority opinion upholding the ACA, saying "It's not the job of the judiciary to protect people from the consequences of an election.". | Jun 18 04:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If Congress wants to change the Civil Rights Act to say "gender" instead of "sex", then let's have a vote on that. | Jun 18 04:23 |
| CrystalMath | well it naturally extends to transgender people, IMO | Jun 18 04:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not going anywhere. | Jun 18 04:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I can't see Madam Speaker passing a Senate bill to chip away at the Civil Rights Act. | Jun 18 04:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not even completely clear that such a bill could get through the Senate. | Jun 18 04:24 |
| CrystalMath | well this is clearly a US-specific problem | Jun 18 04:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It would need 60 votes and the Republicans have 53 seats, and would lose 1-2 of their own members... | Jun 18 04:25 |
| CrystalMath | because only america makes this big of a deal about LGBT | Jun 18 04:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the ruling stands. | Jun 18 04:25 |
| CrystalMath | other cultures aren't so puritanical | Jun 18 04:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The US is less so than it appears. | Jun 18 04:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Opposition to gay marriage is down to 30% in the polls. | Jun 18 04:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It fell from 70-some percent in 1996, so like 40-some points in 24 years. | Jun 18 04:26 |
| CrystalMath | but how open is the US to extramaritial relationships? | Jun 18 04:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What's going on here is obvious. Old people who have a problem with it are dying off and are being replaced by younger people who mostly don't. | Jun 18 04:27 |
| CrystalMath | i think it's some parts of the US it's actually illegal to be even simply polyamorous | Jun 18 04:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <CrystalMath "but how open is the US to extram"> That's underwater, but opposition to that has been falling too. | Jun 18 04:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <CrystalMath "i think it's some parts of the U"> Nope. Utah tried enforcing their laws against cohabitating with multiple partners and it got thrown out by a federal court. | Jun 18 04:29 |
| CrystalMath | hmm, okay | Jun 18 04:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The state can't control who you live or have sex with. It still has control over marriage for the most part, as far as incest or bigamy go. | Jun 18 04:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The incest part is also typically illegal to varying degrees. | Jun 18 04:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most states define first degree relative as a felony and then move out to first cousins, aunts, and uncles (blood relation) as a misdemeanor. | Jun 18 04:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Interestingly, statutory rape as a federal offense only requires the federal government to prove that you crossed a state line or induced someone else to in order to have sex with a person under 18. | Jun 18 04:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the state you did it in may have a different age of consent, but if the federal government proves that you crossed a state line to have sex with a person under 18 then they can charge it. | Jun 18 04:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I guess the intent is to stop age of consent shopping. | Jun 18 04:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | As to that subject, I've always followed the law according to the state that I lived in. | Jun 18 04:35 |
| CrystalMath | the minimum age of consent being 16 in the US, which would put it among the highest in europe | Jun 18 04:36 |
| CrystalMath | but not *the* highest (Ireland's at 17) | Jun 18 04:36 |
| CrystalMath | just making a case for the US being puritan | Jun 18 04:37 |
| CrystalMath | and what they did to Stallman for the mere thought of suggesting that someone 17 (even legal THERE) could consent to having sex with someone.. | Jun 18 04:37 |
| CrystalMath | whereas in italy Epstein could have legally set up shop for real | Jun 18 04:38 |
| CrystalMath | (italy being one of the few to not set additional age barriers to prostitution) | Jun 18 04:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 16 in Indiana, 17 in Illinois, 18 in Wisconsin. | Jun 18 04:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh yeah, if you pay someone under 18 for sex in the US, you're in really deep shit if the government finds out. | Jun 18 04:42 |
| CrystalMath | hmm, in europe it's mostly illegal for the supply side, but not quite for the demand side | Jun 18 04:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Undercover cops on Grindr in Lake County at least (Illinois) pretend to be minors 13-16 mostly . | Jun 18 04:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The profiles are so ridiculously fake that you'll probably know right away that something isn't right unless you're a complete idiot. | Jun 18 04:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's why they always catch men that clearly have some sort of severe intellectual disability. | Jun 18 04:44 |
| CrystalMath | where i live all prostitution is illegal actually, but for the supply side | Jun 18 04:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They caught a guy that someone I know is dating, then they executed a search warrant on his house because they went fishing through his phone and found CP on it. | Jun 18 04:45 |
| CrystalMath | "supply side" is a nice euphemism for prostitutes :P | Jun 18 04:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Lifetime felony probation with ankle monitor. | Jun 18 04:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because he said he would have sex with a 16 year old who turned out to be a cop and then they went on a fishing expedition. | Jun 18 04:46 |
| CrystalMath | the injustice Richard Stallman pointed out on his political notes is actually much more innocent | Jun 18 04:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it was just agreeing to have sex with a cop that said "Surprise!" he's have gotten 2-3 years of probation and 10 years on the sex offender list, probably. | Jun 18 04:47 |
| CrystalMath | like cases of people arrested for having pictures of themselves | Jun 18 04:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The government can't harass you just for being gay anymore, so they troll gay men to see if they'll have sex with a fictional 16 year old. | Jun 18 04:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't stalk straight people like this, so we know why it's happening to gay people. | Jun 18 04:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The best idea if you're on Grindr is immediately block anyone who says they are under the age of consent in your state. | Jun 18 04:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's probably the ops, and even if it isn't, you can still get in a lot of trouble. | Jun 18 04:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's just not worth it. | Jun 18 04:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *cops | Jun 18 04:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've never been up on a morals charge. It's just assault, and I got a lawyer that went and got the state to get rid of it for a song, so meh. | Jun 18 04:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Expensive, but not a lot of actual punishment, and this time I'm filing bankruptcy so it's a whole lot of not my problem at this point. | Jun 18 04:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <CrystalMath "the injustice Richard Stallman p"> Yeah, you can make a lot of things go away, but not sex offenses. | Jun 18 04:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | God help you if they get you on one of those. | Jun 18 04:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's really two lawyers that won on this. My defense lawyer and my bankruptcy lawyer. | Jun 18 04:54 |
| CrystalMath | and that is because the US is puritanical | Jun 18 04:56 |
| CrystalMath | honestly, that's why it has #metoo as well, but that's just the communist kind | Jun 18 04:56 |
| CrystalMath | so instead of rich puritans it's bitter puritans | Jun 18 04:56 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The whole thing about feminism is female superiority. | Jun 18 04:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Somehow this is okay and totally not like white supremacy at all. | Jun 18 04:59 |
| CrystalMath | they went after gay men with gay male accusers (false ofc) | Jun 18 04:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A lot of them have made things so toxic that no man in his right mind would go near that anyway. | Jun 18 05:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They wonder why birth rate was collapsing. It was not all about the economy. Much of it was, but a lot of it is men going "Nope, nope. Not doing it.". | Jun 18 05:00 |
| CrystalMath | honestly if it wasn't for all the obvious lies, i would have probably been fooled into thinking Weinstein actually did it | Jun 18 05:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wouldn't go near any of these women that are behind this "movement". | Jun 18 05:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now they're burrowing into Free Software and setting up a Manifesto that has nothing to do with software, at all. | Jun 18 05:02 |
| CrystalMath | i know for sure that Michael Jackson and Bill Cosby are innocent | Jun 18 05:02 |
| CrystalMath | as for the manifesto... no cause would be fun without an enemy, right? | Jun 18 05:03 |
| CrystalMath | if software freedom is still alive, it will fight back | Jun 18 05:03 |
| CrystalMath | and it does | Jun 18 05:03 |
| CrystalMath | the biggest issue is the enemy within | Jun 18 05:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The worst part about is that they have beta males like Matthew Garrett helping them do it. | Jun 18 05:04 |
| CrystalMath | i don't see how, who cares about that dork with two first names? :P | Jun 18 05:04 |
| CrystalMath | the bigger problem is projects actually adopting this crap | Jun 18 05:05 |
| CrystalMath | old projects | Jun 18 05:05 |
| CrystalMath | that's the only real loss | Jun 18 05:05 |
| CrystalMath | FreeBSD for example | Jun 18 05:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I might move to KDE if this gets worse. | Jun 18 05:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I knew GNOME was in trouble when it ran out of money due to spending it all on Outreach to Nasty Women. | Jun 18 05:06 |
| CrystalMath | i knew gnome was trouble WAY before that | Jun 18 05:06 |
| CrystalMath | i left it in 2012 | Jun 18 05:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's MATE. | Jun 18 05:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How's that holding up? | Jun 18 05:09 |
| CrystalMath | it's good | Jun 18 05:11 |
| CrystalMath | as soon as the GNOME team decided to become an elitist bunch of crap | Jun 18 05:11 |
| CrystalMath | it was obvious that they will go into this | Jun 18 05:11 |
| CrystalMath | believe me they're worse than you think | Jun 18 05:14 |
| CrystalMath | i spoke to them on the mailing list | Jun 18 05:14 |
| CrystalMath | though their ministry of truth deleted that thread | Jun 18 05:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Minitrue | Jun 18 05:37 |
| superkuh | MATE is enough. | Jun 18 05:45 |
| superkuh | It has odd corner cases but I can usually workaround. | Jun 18 05:46 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz, DaemonFC[m]: The bit about Ada's Twitter notices isn't really fair, as she was clearly joking about it like "take that, -phobes". | Jun 18 11:52 |
| XRevan86 | And it really could be why GNOME felt the need to add that bit there – to ignore discrimination reports about notices like that. | Jun 18 11:53 |
| XRevan86 | But it also shows how subjective this mess is, if what this policy does is throw people under the bus, and because of that they're trying to protect some people from the policy. | Jun 18 11:55 |
| XRevan86 | And I just now got a spammer who wants me to promote their article on "top women in the tech industry". That's an unusual topic for SEOs, but hey, promotion is promotion. | Jun 18 11:58 |
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| XRevan86 | Maybe someone will bite it. It helps me that I can clearly see they have no idea what ldavg bloody is. They just scraped a relevant bit and assumed it's a blog post. | Jun 18 12:00 |
| XRevan86 | or an article | Jun 18 12:00 |
| MinceR | (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUUZUcu0wHM | Jun 18 12:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple PCB design is a meme. - YouTube | Jun 18 12:01 | |
| XRevan86 | I don't think it warrants making a fuss over GNOME – these policies are inevitably vague, and actions speak better than words. If they will intentionally ignore a person being harassed for being you know what, then it's a very different story. | Jun 18 12:07 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20022742 | Jun 18 12:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4390015) | Jun 18 12:09 | |
| XRevan86 | And I don't think any of this will last anyway exactly because of the willfully ignored blind spots. | Jun 18 12:14 |
| XRevan86 | A simple thought experiment: what if two Indians come to work on GNOME, one from a historical higher cast, one not so much. And then they meet on a mailing list and the higher cast Indian mocks the other Indian and tell them to go plough a field or something. | Jun 18 12:16 |
| XRevan86 | Clear discrimination, but from a US-centric position it's coming from an unprivileged person. | Jun 18 12:19 |
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| XRevan86 | And what happens when an Anglo-Saxon receives racist discrimination in a country where they are a minority? | Jun 18 12:21 |
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| MinceR | if it depends on SJWs, nothing | Jun 18 12:32 |
| MinceR | (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUaJ8pDlxi8 | Jun 18 12:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The horrible truth about Apple's repeated engineering failures. - YouTube | Jun 18 12:42 | |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: I think, based on Lunduke, sharp(e) is where that trolling came from | Jun 18 12:48 |
| schestowitz | now Ada | Jun 18 12:48 |
| schestowitz | but I did not look into the depths of these matters | Jun 18 12:49 |
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| XRevan86 | A friend told me that he will be forced to go to the amendments voting by the state-owned employer. | Jun 18 12:53 |
| XRevan86 | I'm amazed by the sheer scale. | Jun 18 12:53 |
| MinceR | which country? | Jun 18 12:53 |
| schestowitz | moments ago I posted about it | Jun 18 12:54 |
| schestowitz | russia, MinceR | Jun 18 12:54 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Rusio | Jun 18 12:54 |
| MinceR | ic | Jun 18 12:54 |
| schestowitz | pruski | Jun 18 12:54 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Yes, it is very well-known that this is happening. | Jun 18 12:54 |
| MinceR | no, most of prussia wasn't taken by russia :> | Jun 18 12:54 |
| schestowitz | not yet | Jun 18 12:54 |
| MinceR | right | Jun 18 12:54 |
| schestowitz | incremea | Jun 18 12:54 |
| XRevan86 | most of prussia is poland now | Jun 18 12:54 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jun 18 12:55 |
| XRevan86 | And it was happening with elections too (mostly with the logic that workers on a labour are loyal even with that insult) | Jun 18 12:56 |
| XRevan86 | But this time it's on an unprecedented scale. | Jun 18 12:56 |
| XRevan86 | It's like they want to get every single one of them involved. | Jun 18 12:57 |
| XRevan86 | * workers on a budget | Jun 18 12:57 |
| XRevan86 | Including doctors, by the way. | Jun 18 12:59 |
| XRevan86 | That's the respect healthcare gets. | Jun 18 12:59 |
| XRevan86 | A few banners saying thanks + threats of firing if one doesn't go vote on Putin's reset | Jun 18 13:01 |
| XRevan86 | A very-very bad year to be a Russian doctor. | Jun 18 13:04 |
| XRevan86 | way more lethal, pays less, treated like dirt more than ever | Jun 18 13:04 |
| Ariadne | ESR has his panties in a bunch over go developers putting 'black lives matter' on their website | Jun 18 13:05 |
| XRevan86 | ESR? | Jun 18 13:06 |
| Ariadne | eric s raymond | Jun 18 13:06 |
| XRevan86 | ah | Jun 18 13:06 |
| Ariadne | you might know him as the guy who wasted 5 years of gcc dev time on some git conversion tool | Jun 18 13:06 |
| Ariadne | or the guy with the alt-right blog | Jun 18 13:06 |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: Nope. I saw Revolution OS though. | Jun 18 13:07 |
| Ariadne | yeah | Jun 18 13:07 |
| Ariadne | that is a good example | Jun 18 13:07 |
| XRevan86 | "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" | Jun 18 13:07 |
| Ariadne | he wrote that stupid fluff essay yes | Jun 18 13:07 |
| XRevan86 | > Raymond is a member of the Libertarian Party. He is a gun rights advocate. | Jun 18 13:07 |
| Ariadne | hey i'm a gun rights advocate too | Jun 18 13:08 |
| Ariadne | and also a wiccan | Jun 18 13:08 |
| Ariadne | just like ESR | Jun 18 13:08 |
| Ariadne | but for some reason, i am also not alt-right | Jun 18 13:08 |
| MinceR | i'm a gun rights advocate and yet not altReich, too | Jun 18 13:08 |
| psydread | lol | Jun 18 13:09 |
| XRevan86 | Am I a no-guns minority here? :) | Jun 18 13:09 |
| Ariadne | anyway, he demanded that go devs take 'black lives matter' off their own website | Jun 18 13:09 |
| Ariadne | because it is 'political' | Jun 18 13:09 |
| MinceR | there's no "no-guns", there's only "guns in the hands of people who would oppress you" :> | Jun 18 13:09 |
| MinceR | (or kill) | Jun 18 13:09 |
| MinceR | Ariadne: lol | Jun 18 13:09 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: They will never give you better guns than they have themselves. | Jun 18 13:10 |
| MinceR | which is why they should be killed | Jun 18 13:10 |
| MinceR | corpses don't have a say in what we can have | Jun 18 13:10 |
| MinceR | or, if not killed, at least stripped of all power | Jun 18 13:10 |
| MinceR | and all pretensions of legitimacy | Jun 18 13:10 |
| XRevan86 | And when there are plenty of guns in the population, police officers can just shoot left and right saying they thought they saw a gun. | Jun 18 13:11 |
| MinceR | and if they do, they too can get shot | Jun 18 13:11 |
| MinceR | and, again, corpses don't shoot left or right | Jun 18 13:11 |
| Ariadne | anyway | Jun 18 13:11 |
| XRevan86 | That's a bit of a sidetrack. | Jun 18 13:11 |
| Ariadne | ESR is basically a charlatan | Jun 18 13:11 |
| Ariadne | https://invisible-island.net/ncurses/ncurses-license.html | Jun 18 13:12 |
| Ariadne | you can read about his fuckery in long form here | Jun 18 13:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invisible-island.net | NCURSES – Licensing | Jun 18 13:12 | |
| Ariadne | he is a petulant manchild who threatened to make GNU ncurses non-free if he didn't get his way | Jun 18 13:12 |
| Ariadne | the only reason anyone takes him seriously is that stupid essay, which if you actually read the essay, you will quickly realize is just a fluff piece of no actual value | Jun 18 13:13 |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: He has no such power, how could he? | Jun 18 13:13 |
| Ariadne | read the doc i linked | Jun 18 13:13 |
| Ariadne | he was one of the copyright holders of ncurses originally | Jun 18 13:13 |
| MinceR | it could be forked | Jun 18 13:13 |
| oiaohm | https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-09/gun-ownership-in-nsw-growing-fast/10886380 << Gun regulation gets really interesting when you look at Australia. Like we have more guns in Australia now than when the regulation started. Yet we have less guns using in crimes and less accidental deaths due to people in fact doing proper storage. | Jun 18 13:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.abc.net.au | Gun ownership in NSW surges past 1 million mark just in time for state election - ABC News | Jun 18 13:13 | |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: GPL is non-revokable | Jun 18 13:13 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: no, it couldn't. the original ncurses license was (unintentionally) non-free | Jun 18 13:14 |
| Ariadne | ncurses is not GPL | Jun 18 13:14 |
| MinceR | ah | Jun 18 13:14 |
| Ariadne | ncurses has never been GPL | Jun 18 13:14 |
| XRevan86 | wait, what | Jun 18 13:14 |
| MinceR | so he didn't threaten to _make_ it nonfree but to _keep_ it nonfree :> | Jun 18 13:14 |
| XRevan86 | that makes more sad sense | Jun 18 13:15 |
| XRevan86 | A very rudimentary non-commercial licence. | Jun 18 13:16 |
| schestowitz | [13:05] <Ariadne> ESR has his panties in a bunch over go developers putting 'black lives matter' on their website | Jun 18 13:16 |
| schestowitz | There was a big football match across the road last nigth | Jun 18 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Man City v Arsenal | Jun 18 13:17 |
| schestowitz | all the players wore a shirt that said "Black Lives Matter" at the back | Jun 18 13:17 |
| schestowitz | all of them | Jun 18 13:17 |
| Ariadne | but it's political | Jun 18 13:17 |
| Ariadne | how could this be | Jun 18 13:17 |
| schestowitz | So the people whom I know here who call BLM terror groups look rather crazy fringy now | Jun 18 13:17 |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: Do you have the link to the post? | Jun 18 13:17 |
| Ariadne | XRevan86: which post | Jun 18 13:17 |
| schestowitz | I did not see it | Jun 18 13:18 |
| schestowitz | I follow his blog | Jun 18 13:18 |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: Where ESR tells Go developers to stop supporting BLM on their website | Jun 18 13:18 |
| schestowitz | maybe he put that in some comment or social control media? | Jun 18 13:18 |
| Ariadne | https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/golang-nuts/YzN4LkMHs7k/XFtRziMfBgAJ | Jun 18 13:19 |
| Ariadne | all over this thread basically | Jun 18 13:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-groups.google.com | Google Groups | Jun 18 13:19 | |
| XRevan86 | > You may freely copy or redistribute this software, so long as there is no profit made from its use, sale trade or reproduction. You may not change this copyright notice, and it must be included in any copy made. | Jun 18 13:19 |
| XRevan86 | What a legally worthless licence. | Jun 18 13:20 |
| XRevan86 | So if usage of the software benefits me in any way, I should stop %) | Jun 18 13:20 |
| oiaohm | That get very interesting if it even legal. | Jun 18 13:20 |
| oiaohm | Some countries no profit no copyright protection. | Jun 18 13:21 |
| MinceR | you may only use the software if it's useless to you | Jun 18 13:21 |
| MinceR | that license would fit microsoft's and apple's products very well | Jun 18 13:21 |
| XRevan86 | - I started using the software, and after that I began to lose hair. | Jun 18 13:22 |
| MinceR | :D | Jun 18 13:22 |
| MinceR | satisfied customer of ibm? | Jun 18 13:23 |
| XRevan86 | Just someone who's legally in the clear. | Jun 18 13:23 |
| schestowitz | so golang is political like rust now | Jun 18 13:24 |
| schestowitz | and like mozilla | Jun 18 13:24 |
| schestowitz | way to fracture your userbase | Jun 18 13:24 |
| schestowitz | not even over anything technical | Jun 18 13:24 |
| schestowitz | Techrights Endorses Biden | Jun 18 13:24 |
| schestowitz | TechDirt Supports Black Lives | Jun 18 13:25 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw Supportd Gay Marriage | Jun 18 13:25 |
| schestowitz | Python Supports War With Iran | Jun 18 13:25 |
| schestowitz | ... | Jun 18 13:25 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 18 13:25 |
| schestowitz | it's OK to say "we won't do it" | Jun 18 13:25 |
| schestowitz | leave it for Twitter as one person said in Google Groups | Jun 18 13:26 |
| schestowitz | Leave golang.org to golang.org | Jun 18 13:26 |
| schestowitz | stallman.org is made to avoid gnu and fsf having personal political views of rms | Jun 18 13:26 |
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| CrystalMath | i sure hope we're not endorsing biden here :P | Jun 18 13:27 |
| CrystalMath | i'm certainly not | Jun 18 13:27 |
| schestowitz | These things can of course also backfire: http://techrights.org/2020/06/14/linux-foundation-with-zero-african-american-employees-in-a-country-where-13-4-identify-as-african-american-boasts-about-its-support-for-the-black-community/ | Jun 18 13:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation, With Zero African-American Employees (in a Country Where 13.4% Identify as African-American), Boasts About Its “Support for the Black Community” | Techrights | Jun 18 13:27 | |
| schestowitz | I endorse cholera | Jun 18 13:27 |
| schestowitz | it's better than HIV | Jun 18 13:27 |
| CrystalMath | :P | Jun 18 13:27 |
| schestowitz | Like I endrose Biden over Trump | Jun 18 13:28 |
| CrystalMath | i would sooner choose Trump | Jun 18 13:28 |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: If that were in Go itself, I'd be against that, but like that I can't quite make up my mind. Calling it "virtue signalling" is annoying definitely. | Jun 18 13:28 |
| CrystalMath | i think globalism must be destroyed | Jun 18 13:28 |
| CrystalMath | it's sad that Trump is not a hero | Jun 18 13:28 |
| Ariadne | they put it on their website | Jun 18 13:28 |
| schestowitz | Trump si globalism | Jun 18 13:28 |
| schestowitz | he is also neolibralism | Jun 18 13:28 |
| schestowitz | also class war waged by the rich | Jun 18 13:28 |
| CrystalMath | Trump wants the US to leave NATO | Jun 18 13:28 |
| schestowitz | he's imperialism | Jun 18 13:28 |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: That's not code. | Jun 18 13:28 |
| schestowitz | militarism | Jun 18 13:28 |
| schestowitz | racism | Jun 18 13:28 |
| schestowitz | all in one | Jun 18 13:28 |
| CrystalMath | Trump wants the US to leave NATO | Jun 18 13:28 |
| schestowitz | The "Real Deal" | Jun 18 13:28 |
| CrystalMath | that would destroy NATO | Jun 18 13:29 |
| CrystalMath | which is amazing | Jun 18 13:29 |
| CrystalMath | NATO is globalism | Jun 18 13:29 |
| schestowitz | But he's "different", so some idiots suddenly like even corporate and gov. corruption. | Jun 18 13:29 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: stop arguing with the nazi and just ban it | Jun 18 13:29 |
| CrystalMath | yeah i know Trump takes a lot for himself | Jun 18 13:29 |
| CrystalMath | he's very expensive | Jun 18 13:29 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: we don't ban | Jun 18 13:29 |
| Ariadne | a shame | Jun 18 13:30 |
| schestowitz | we stand for free speech | Jun 18 13:30 |
| XRevan86 | > Trump wants the US to leave NATO | Jun 18 13:30 |
| XRevan86 | Can the US leave the US next? | Jun 18 13:30 |
| schestowitz | lol | Jun 18 13:30 |
| schestowitz | NOTO | Jun 18 13:30 |
| CrystalMath | maybe! the federal government can be abolished | Jun 18 13:30 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: That would be equal to secession of all states, which is forbidden by the constitution | Jun 18 13:31 |
| XRevan86 | No one is allowed to leave. | Jun 18 13:31 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: but if they all leave who will enforce it? :P | Jun 18 13:31 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: are you even American? | Jun 18 13:32 |
| CrystalMath | no | Jun 18 13:32 |
| schestowitz | so... | Jun 18 13:32 |
| schestowitz | troll | Jun 18 13:32 |
| CrystalMath | no, not really, i'm just suggesting what could be, i'm not even saying it's good | Jun 18 13:32 |
| Ariadne | if the creator of the go language wishes to put a message on the go website, i don't think it is a big deal | Jun 18 13:32 |
| CrystalMath | except for the part about the US leaving NATO, that is GREAT | Jun 18 13:32 |
| CrystalMath | because it will lead to NATO being abolished | Jun 18 13:32 |
| Ariadne | and bluntly, i wouldn't want anyone offended by that message to use my software anyway | Jun 18 13:32 |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: I don't think it's a big deal too. | Jun 18 13:33 |
| schestowitz | but they don't need to do that | Jun 18 13:33 |
| schestowitz | nobody can COMPEL them to voice their position/view | Jun 18 13:33 |
| Ariadne | do they *need* to do it? perhaps not | Jun 18 13:33 |
| schestowitz | they are NOT elected officials | Jun 18 13:33 |
| schestowitz | so they can focus on their project instead | Jun 18 13:33 |
| Ariadne | if they choose to do so, it is free speech | Jun 18 13:33 |
| Ariadne | and perhaps making blacks feel more comfortable with the project is helpful | Jun 18 13:33 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Don't get your hopes up. | Jun 18 13:33 |
| schestowitz | you don't hear pop singers doing politics, unless or until their career falls over anyway | Jun 18 13:34 |
| Ariadne | the tech industry holds an immense amount of power | Jun 18 13:34 |
| CrystalMath | i think the murder of George Floyd was terrible | Jun 18 13:34 |
| Ariadne | i would prefer they use it for positive things | Jun 18 13:34 |
| Ariadne | verses microsoft | Jun 18 13:34 |
| schestowitz | they don't | Jun 18 13:34 |
| Ariadne | who are making deals with cops | Jun 18 13:34 |
| schestowitz | military, ICE... | Jun 18 13:34 |
| schestowitz | worse even | Jun 18 13:34 |
| schestowitz | submarines with nukes | Jun 18 13:34 |
| Ariadne | yes | Jun 18 13:35 |
| Ariadne | that is my point | Jun 18 13:35 |
| Ariadne | i would rather they post black lives matter | Jun 18 13:35 |
| Ariadne | than ink contracts with ICE | Jun 18 13:35 |
| CrystalMath | but it's the fault of horrible paranoid cops, not Trump | Jun 18 13:35 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Trump is not someone who'd even want to abolish NATO. If he ever said something about the US leaving NATO, it was probably something like "if we leave, what will you do without OUR guns, huh?" | Jun 18 13:35 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: actually, it is both. | Jun 18 13:35 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: trump is a fascist and he is threatening to kill innocents with the military just for making use of their free speech | Jun 18 13:35 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: he literally did nothing about the protests, except protect himself which everyone expected | Jun 18 13:36 |
| Ariadne | that is not true | Jun 18 13:36 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Trump made multiple statements about them. | Jun 18 13:36 |
| Ariadne | he is posting threats on twitter | Jun 18 13:36 |
| XRevan86 | for one thing | Jun 18 13:36 |
| CrystalMath | btw horrible paranoid cops killed innocent people under Obama | Jun 18 13:37 |
| Ariadne | no shit? | Jun 18 13:37 |
| Ariadne | did Obama threaten to kill the protesters with the military though? no. | Jun 18 13:37 |
| XRevan86 | Trump is like a kid who wants to show everyone what power he got. | Jun 18 13:38 |
| Ariadne | this has been going on for hundreds of years in the US. it is just that in the past decade, everyone now has a smartphone and can post the video immediately to the internet. | Jun 18 13:38 |
| Ariadne | and these latest protests are so large because everyone is stuck at home due to COVID | Jun 18 13:38 |
| Ariadne | which is definitely in large part trump's fault | Jun 18 13:39 |
| schestowitz | unemployment | Jun 18 13:39 |
| schestowitz | misery | Jun 18 13:39 |
| schestowitz | hopelessness | Jun 18 13:39 |
| schestowitz | also known as "maga" | Jun 18 13:39 |
| Ariadne | trump dismantled USAID PREDICT which performed biosurveillance to deal with threats like COVID proactively | Jun 18 13:39 |
| Ariadne | because obama made it as a reaction to ebola | Jun 18 13:39 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: In Russia it's called stability and "you don't want it to be like in the 90s, do you?" | Jun 18 13:40 |
| schestowitz | the "strong leader" bs of putin | Jun 18 13:40 |
| Ariadne | trump then went on to tell people that they did not even have to take basic precautions | Jun 18 13:40 |
| schestowitz | china does this also | Jun 18 13:40 |
| Ariadne | until it was way too late | Jun 18 13:40 |
| CrystalMath | surveillance isn't good Ariadne | Jun 18 13:41 |
| schestowitz | "you don't want another revolution" or pre-mao... | Jun 18 13:41 |
| Ariadne | most likely half the US has been exposed to covid by now | Jun 18 13:41 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: biosurveillance is not surveillance | Jun 18 13:41 |
| schestowitz | intelligence | Jun 18 13:41 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: biosurveillance is when you catch birds, bats, other wildlife, take their blood and sample it for zoonotic pathogens | Jun 18 13:41 |
| schestowitz | less so on people | Jun 18 13:41 |
| schestowitz | more like open source intel | Jun 18 13:41 |
| CrystalMath | okay i will admit i did not know the definition | Jun 18 13:41 |
| CrystalMath | i thought you meant something like tracking people's movements | Jun 18 13:41 |
| Ariadne | you don't know anything about what you're talking about | Jun 18 13:42 |
| CrystalMath | well that's a little far-fetched | Jun 18 13:42 |
| CrystalMath | i do know something about some of the things i'm talking about :P | Jun 18 13:42 |
| CrystalMath | just not all | Jun 18 13:42 |
| schestowitz | china is testing like mad now | Jun 18 13:42 |
| schestowitz | makes you wonder how many new cases they really have... | Jun 18 13:42 |
| Ariadne | the point is | Jun 18 13:42 |
| Ariadne | your boy trump | Jun 18 13:42 |
| Ariadne | dismantled our early warning system for something like covid | Jun 18 13:42 |
| schestowitz | it's not like their media functions. They kicked out remaining foreign journalists months ago | Jun 18 13:43 |
| CrystalMath | but it started in china anyway | Jun 18 13:43 |
| Ariadne | yeah | Jun 18 13:43 |
| schestowitz | china | Jun 18 13:43 |
| Ariadne | that's what USAID PREDICT does | Jun 18 13:43 |
| schestowitz | the trump ally | Jun 18 13:43 |
| Ariadne | we stop it over there | Jun 18 13:43 |
| Ariadne | so it does not come here | Jun 18 13:43 |
| Ariadne | or rather, did | Jun 18 13:43 |
| schestowitz | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53086042 | Jun 18 13:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | John Bolton: Trump sought Xi's help to win re-election - BBC News | Jun 18 13:43 | |
| Ariadne | yeah i have bad news | Jun 18 13:43 |
| Ariadne | he isn't going to be reelected | Jun 18 13:43 |
| schestowitz | so? | Jun 18 13:43 |
| Ariadne | i mean | Jun 18 13:43 |
| schestowitz | he won't leave | Jun 18 13:44 |
| Ariadne | lets be real | Jun 18 13:44 |
| schestowitz | throw the n word around, cause another riot round | Jun 18 13:44 |
| schestowitz | send out the army | Jun 18 13:44 |
| Ariadne | 2020 has been a complete shitshow | Jun 18 13:44 |
| schestowitz | with the photo ops | Jun 18 13:44 |
| Ariadne | of epic proportions | Jun 18 13:44 |
| Ariadne | his odds of being reelected are pretty slim | Jun 18 13:44 |
| schestowitz | this time he'll put his pecker on the bible and ejaculate on it... what he'd call "virtue signalling" | Jun 18 13:44 |
| schestowitz | he's already imepached | Jun 18 13:46 |
| schestowitz | yet he's still there | Jun 18 13:46 |
| schestowitz | gop complicit, some afraid | Jun 18 13:46 |
| Ariadne | removal requires conviction | Jun 18 13:46 |
| schestowitz | it's like a despot | Jun 18 13:46 |
| schestowitz | well, they acquitted him | Jun 18 13:46 |
| Ariadne | right | Jun 18 13:46 |
| schestowitz | and later dnc rigged things for biden | Jun 18 13:47 |
| Ariadne | that is what i mean | Jun 18 13:47 |
| schestowitz | which does not help imho | Jun 18 13:47 |
| Ariadne | to be clear, biden is not my dude | Jun 18 13:47 |
| Ariadne | i am basically a never trump conservative | Jun 18 13:47 |
| Ariadne | who, unlike the GOP, believes in human rights | Jun 18 13:47 |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: What makes you a conservative? | Jun 18 13:48 |
| Ariadne | XRevan86: i like small government, minimal regulations, maximal personal rights and responsibility | Jun 18 13:48 |
| XRevan86 | Ah, libertarian, got it. | Jun 18 13:48 |
| schestowitz | There's that saying about obama setting the scene for trump | Jun 18 13:49 |
| Ariadne | the libertarian caucus of DSA is probably most correct | Jun 18 13:49 |
| schestowitz | as hope and change did not happen | Jun 18 13:49 |
| schestowitz | and he even crushed environmentalists | Jun 18 13:49 |
| Ariadne | you can't have hope and change without actually draining the swamp | Jun 18 13:49 |
| schestowitz | which was anticlimatic | Jun 18 13:49 |
| XRevan86 | > Democratic Socialists of America | Jun 18 13:50 |
| schestowitz | he was given 8 years to show something for the promises, even gitmo did not get closed, war on terror extended to more fronts etc. | Jun 18 13:50 |
| XRevan86 | Hah, by the name it's like the exact opposite of libertarianism. | Jun 18 13:50 |
| schestowitz | and then clinton was seen as more sinister than obama, so it was a hard sell | Jun 18 13:50 |
| Ariadne | XRevan86: the libertarian caucus wants a hybrid approach | Jun 18 13:50 |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: Democratic Socialism is already a hybrid approach | Jun 18 13:50 |
| schestowitz | Socialism does not mean "no election" | Jun 18 13:51 |
| Ariadne | XRevan86: yes. when i say conservative, i mean by european standards. | Jun 18 13:51 |
| Ariadne | not GOP. | Jun 18 13:51 |
| Ariadne | what the GOP has done is absurd | Jun 18 13:51 |
| Ariadne | i would like a relationship with the government where i pay them the least possible amount of money to leave me alone, unless i need something like healthcare | Jun 18 13:52 |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: I get it. And parties often don't hold up to their names. | Jun 18 13:52 |
| Ariadne | and also black and indigenous lives matter | Jun 18 13:53 |
| XRevan86 | Like Stalin being a notable member of a Democratic Socialist party of the Russian Empire. | Jun 18 13:53 |
| Ariadne | and i think the government should do something about its cops | Jun 18 13:53 |
| Ariadne | before the ESRs of the world start commiting "unconventional assymmetric warfare" against police | Jun 18 13:53 |
| Ariadne | see also: christopher dorner (who i suspect history will remember as somebody ahead of his time with the way things are going) | Jun 18 13:54 |
| Ariadne | actually i support ESR doing this, because they will quickly shoot his ass | Jun 18 13:54 |
| Ariadne | and we will no longer have to endure any more ESR boomer fuckery | Jun 18 13:54 |
| Ariadne | unfortunately i suspect ESR would rather commit unconventional assymmetric warfare against "antifa" | Jun 18 13:55 |
| Ariadne | whatever "antifa" is | Jun 18 13:56 |
| MinceR | 18 145115 < Ariadne> XRevan86: yes. when i say conservative, i mean by european standards. | Jun 18 13:57 |
| MinceR | EPP and ECR? | Jun 18 13:57 |
| MinceR | because those are very far from "small government, minimal regulations, maximal personal rights and responsibility" | Jun 18 13:57 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: "conservative"/"progressive" is more about what is perceived as views that were popular recently and views that are popular right now. | Jun 18 14:01 |
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| MinceR | that means someone whose opinions don't change as the wind blows will have their labels change | Jun 18 14:01 |
| MinceR | does this also mean that if the altReich/neofascists are the majority, they become "progressives"? | Jun 18 14:02 |
| XRevan86 | Libertarianism resonates with the American Way, so it goes into the conservative area. | Jun 18 14:02 |
| MinceR | the above description of liberalism does not imply a government that zealously enforces religious rules, but american "conservatism" does | Jun 18 14:02 |
| MinceR | the EPP and the ECR are christian fundamentalists as well | Jun 18 14:02 |
| Ariadne | thats evangelical conservatism | Jun 18 14:02 |
| Ariadne | i am not aligned with those people | Jun 18 14:03 |
| MinceR | and extreme authoritarians | Jun 18 14:03 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Any society has contradictions. | Jun 18 14:03 |
| MinceR | yes, and i can try to make sense of them | Jun 18 14:03 |
| MinceR | so far all i've found is that "progressige" and "conservative" are slightly different flavors of the extreme authoritarianism that is so popular all the time | Jun 18 14:03 |
| XRevan86 | American Way is pretty much everything USSR was perceived as being not. | Jun 18 14:03 |
| MinceR | s/ige/ive/ | Jun 18 14:03 |
| MinceR | they want oppression, but they also want a group of designated enemies that don't actually threaten their way of life | Jun 18 14:04 |
| XRevan86 | If they are atheists, we go to church every Sunday and expect the whole community to do the same. | Jun 18 14:04 |
| Ariadne | i do not want oppression :p | Jun 18 14:04 |
| MinceR | Ariadne: then you're probably neither "progressive" or "conservative" :> | Jun 18 14:04 |
| XRevan86 | If they don't have private businesses, we give private businesses every possible freedom they could possibly get. | Jun 18 14:04 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: so how do they deal with putler being unable to decide he wants to continue stalinism or implement nazism with a government closely tied to the orthodox cult? | Jun 18 14:05 |
| Ariadne | its ok | Jun 18 14:06 |
| Ariadne | we deal with it now | Jun 18 14:06 |
| Ariadne | by copying putin | Jun 18 14:06 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's the idea of the recent past, so recent happenings of Russia don't affect it. | Jun 18 14:06 |
| Ariadne | thats basically what trump is doing | Jun 18 14:06 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 18 14:06 |
| MinceR | so the USSR turned into something like a photon: its own opposite | Jun 18 14:06 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Well, all the authoritarian tendencies stayed. | Jun 18 14:07 |
| MinceR | pity they don't want to oppose authoritarianism | Jun 18 14:07 |
| Ariadne | my understanding is that private businesses did exist in the USSR | Jun 18 14:07 |
| Ariadne | but there was significant corruption | Jun 18 14:08 |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: They did more to the end, and with significant corruption. | Jun 18 14:08 |
| MinceR | maybe tiny ones, like in hungary when it was a part of the previous russian empire | Jun 18 14:08 |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: The so-called cooperatives. | Jun 18 14:08 |
| XRevan86 | Putin actually had one. | Jun 18 14:08 |
| XRevan86 | it was called Ozero (Lake) | Jun 18 14:08 |
| XRevan86 | But I was talking more about perception of the USSR, through propaganda lense and so on. | Jun 18 14:09 |
| XRevan86 | USSR wasn't exactly atheist either. | Jun 18 14:09 |
| MinceR | yeah, they worshipped marx, lenin and stalin | Jun 18 14:09 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Not what I meant. | Jun 18 14:12 |
| Ariadne | those fools. the great hare reigns supreme. | Jun 18 14:12 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Have you noticed that the contemporary Russian Orthodox Church has a strange tendency to like Stalin? | Jun 18 14:12 |
| MinceR | even when stalin was playing at running an allegedly anti-religion state? | Jun 18 14:13 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I mean, modern. | Jun 18 14:13 |
| XRevan86 | but actually, I think that too | Jun 18 14:13 |
| MinceR | either they figure that a dead stalin can't hurt them anymore | Jun 18 14:14 |
| MinceR | or they're masochists, as abrahamics usually are | Jun 18 14:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: They don't think the same thing about Lenin | Jun 18 14:14 |
| MinceR | maybe lenin didn't hurt them enough | Jun 18 14:14 |
| MinceR | "harder, daddy!" | Jun 18 14:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's more because Lenin was trying to abolish the church, and because under him The Great Martyr Nicholas II was shot. | Jun 18 14:17 |
| MinceR | and stalin wasn't? | Jun 18 14:17 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: And Stalin… https://media.pravoslavie.ru/246069.p.jpg | Jun 18 14:17 |
| MinceR | those guys look nothing like stalin | Jun 18 14:18 |
| XRevan86 | Partriarch Aleksiy I and Georgiy Karpov, chairman of the committee on the affairs of the Russian Orthodox Church. | Jun 18 14:19 |
| XRevan86 | * Council for the Affairs of the Russian Orthodox Church | Jun 18 14:19 |
| MinceR | was that council a state organ? | Jun 18 14:20 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: yes | Jun 18 14:20 |
| MinceR | i see | Jun 18 14:20 |
| MinceR | so stalin was already a hypocrite about this affair | Jun 18 14:20 |
| MinceR | good to know | Jun 18 14:20 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: duh | Jun 18 14:20 |
| XRevan86 | He was also a wee bit superstitious. | Jun 18 14:21 |
| MinceR | yeah, trust stalin to forget about the one good thing that could possibly come out of his empire | Jun 18 14:21 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Khruschëv kinda reversed that with de-Stalinisation %) | Jun 18 14:22 |
| XRevan86 | but that effort didn't hold either, so it was kinda meh | Jun 18 14:22 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Catholicism_in_the_Soviet_Union heh | Jun 18 14:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Anti-Catholicism in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia | Jun 18 14:23 | |
| MinceR | lol @ latin/cyrillic mix | Jun 18 14:23 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Actually it's a Latin letter %) | Jun 18 14:23 |
| MinceR | not on the meaning you used it in :> | Jun 18 14:24 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Yea :) | Jun 18 14:24 |
| XRevan86 | It's not inherently Cyrillic though. It's a hack that's fair in any script %) | Jun 18 14:24 |
| XRevan86 | It is inherently Russian though. | Jun 18 14:25 |
| XRevan86 | well, for the most part, as similiar phonetic changes are found in many Slavic languages, but not always in the same places. | Jun 18 14:26 |
| XRevan86 | Like Polish "miod" is a good example. | Jun 18 14:28 |
| XRevan86 | (мёд) | Jun 18 14:29 |
| MinceR | don't you mean "miód"? | Jun 18 14:30 |
| MinceR | which isn't pronounced like "мёд" | Jun 18 14:30 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Oh, right, there's an accent marker there. | Jun 18 14:31 |
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| psydread | Polish has more of that | Jun 18 14:33 |
| XRevan86 | "ó" is indeed a historical shift from /o/ to /u/ | Jun 18 14:33 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Still fair game :3 | Jun 18 14:33 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 18 14:33 |
| psydread | for example Lwów rather than Lvov, which I presume it is in Russian | Jun 18 14:33 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: L'vov | Jun 18 14:34 |
| psydread | oh right | Jun 18 14:34 |
| XRevan86 | In Ukrainian it's L'viv, but only in the nominative. | Jun 18 14:34 |
| XRevan86 | So ru:"vo L'vovie" uk:"w L'vovi" | Jun 18 14:35 |
| psydread | yes, I know what it is in Ukrainian, because I've been there several times | Jun 18 14:35 |
| psydread | and only there lol | Jun 18 14:35 |
| MinceR | > only in the nominative. | Jun 18 14:35 |
| MinceR | that's a little fucked up | Jun 18 14:35 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's because of how vowels play out. | Jun 18 14:35 |
| XRevan86 | With miód it's actually the same | Jun 18 14:36 |
| psydread | as for miód, we have madhu in Sanskrit/Hindi | Jun 18 14:36 |
| XRevan86 | miód → miodowy | Jun 18 14:36 |
| XRevan86 | And in Russian miëd → miedovyj | Jun 18 14:36 |
| MinceR | ó and o are a lot closer to each other both in pronunciation and orthography than і and о | Jun 18 14:37 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's a o→i Ukrainian pronunciation shift | Jun 18 14:37 |
| XRevan86 | Odyn rik, bagato rokiw | Jun 18 14:37 |
| MinceR | also, good to know that Lwów even has a hungarian name :> | Jun 18 14:37 |
| MinceR | "Ilyvó" | Jun 18 14:37 |
| XRevan86 | The stem is L'vov and rok obviously. | Jun 18 14:38 |
| XRevan86 | * stems are | Jun 18 14:38 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: So it's just phonetics. I actually heard a Russian do that accidentally once on video %) | Jun 18 14:39 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 18 14:39 |
| XRevan86 | So maybe that's not exactly arbitrary. | Jun 18 14:39 |
| XRevan86 | "rokiw" – and that's historical "rokov" of course. Same shift. | Jun 18 14:40 |
| XRevan86 | + u/v fluidity of Ukrainian | Jun 18 14:40 |
| XRevan86 | A typical Great Russian would *say* it like "rokof", because of treating it strictly like a "v" and then removing voice, because it's at the end of the word. | Jun 18 14:42 |
| MinceR | i guess that's what those "-off"s in transliteration come from | Jun 18 14:43 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I guess. Looks ugly though %). | Jun 18 14:43 |
| MinceR | :) | Jun 18 14:43 |
| XRevan86 | Ukrainians and Belorusians also remove voice from end consonants, but in this particular case they usually turn it into a "w", so it's no longer exactly a consonant. | Jun 18 14:44 |
| MinceR | and what does Kyiv turn into when not in the nominative? | Jun 18 14:45 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ja w Kyjevi | Jun 18 14:45 |
| MinceR | i see | Jun 18 14:45 |
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| XRevan86 | The K is historically unpalatalised, so "Kyjev" is not also the stem here but also the original historical name of the city | Jun 18 14:48 |
| XRevan86 | In Russian it turned into "Kijev" | Jun 18 14:48 |
| MinceR | (cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ogtNgOUQYk | Jun 18 14:49 |
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| XRevan86 | in pronunciation: Kijif, ja f Kijivi | Jun 18 14:49 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Quality content. | Jun 18 14:50 |
| XRevan86 | It's weird to assume that "Kiev" is from Great Russian though, as it's not like that i/y distinction in English is used anywhere else but in transliteration of Slavic languages. | Jun 18 14:53 |
| XRevan86 | in recent history | Jun 18 14:53 |
| XRevan86 | So the only difference between Kiev and Kyiv is that one is historical (Moscow, St. Petersburg, Warsaw) and another is a direct transliteration in the nominative case from the state language of the region where the city is located (Moskva, Sankt-Peterburg, Warszawa (Varshava?)). | Jun 18 14:56 |
| MinceR | well, Warszawa doesn't need to be transliterated as it's already in a latin script :> | Jun 18 14:57 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: True. Except it's different %). | Jun 18 14:57 |
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| XRevan86 | Both from the current English form (should be re-loaned) and from the English rules of spelling. | Jun 18 14:57 |
| XRevan86 | s/rules/conventions/ | Jun 18 15:00 |
| XRevan86 | Heh, in Polish Kiev is called Kijów. | Jun 18 15:01 |
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| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiev#Name though maybe it is from Great Russian, as Wikipedia says it's used in print since the XIX century in English. | Jun 18 15:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Kiev - Wikipedia | Jun 18 15:05 | |
| XRevan86 | But the article also says "he form Kiev corresponds to Russian orthography and pronunciation [ˈkʲijɪf], during a time when Kiev was in the Russian Empire (from 1708, being the seat of a governorate)." | Jun 18 15:05 |
| XRevan86 | and that pronunciation they showed is just too new | Jun 18 15:06 |
| XRevan86 | back then unaccented je didn't shift into ji | Jun 18 15:07 |
| XRevan86 | at least not as a norm | Jun 18 15:08 |
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| XRevan86 | > The Primary Chronicles also mention movement of Hungarians pass Kiev. | Jun 18 15:10 |
| XRevan86 | "The 1686 city map of Kiovia" – I suspect that this "io" there is Polish. | Jun 18 15:13 |
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| XRevan86 | "Polish has more of that" psydread: What did you mean by that? | Jun 18 15:18 |
| XRevan86 | Ah, Lwów, right. | Jun 18 15:19 |
| XRevan86 | ó is essentially the same thing as ë – the sound changed, let's just add a diacritic to keep spelling backwards compatible. | Jun 18 15:20 |
| psydread | główny | Jun 18 15:20 |
| psydread | compared to glavni (Serbo-Croatian) | Jun 18 15:21 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: glavni? really? | Jun 18 15:21 |
| psydread | yes | Jun 18 15:21 |
| XRevan86 | Is that an OCS loan? | Jun 18 15:21 |
| XRevan86 | Oh, wait, it's South, makes sense then. | Jun 18 15:21 |
| psydread | CrystalMath is the expert of course, but I've been learning it | Jun 18 15:21 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: It is a very common pattern: Proto-Slavic "ol" → East Slavic "olo", South Slavic "la" | Jun 18 15:22 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: I'm very well aware of that, because Russian often combines both. | Jun 18 15:22 |
| XRevan86 | golova, glava | Jun 18 15:23 |
| XRevan86 | a literal head and a head of something | Jun 18 15:23 |
| XRevan86 | OCS loans (South) are usually for something less banal and literal | Jun 18 15:24 |
| psydread | ah | Jun 18 15:24 |
| XRevan86 | or church-related, obviously | Jun 18 15:26 |
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| XRevan86 | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Russian_terms_derived_from_Old_Church_Slavonic lots of this stuff | Jun 18 15:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | Category:Russian terms derived from Old Church Slavonic - Wiktionary | Jun 18 15:28 | |
| XRevan86 | > golos – voice, glas – (poetic) voice | Jun 18 15:28 |
| psydread | a name such as Vladimir is also South Slavic compared to Volodymyr in Ukrainian | Jun 18 15:29 |
| psydread | it's on that list | Jun 18 15:30 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: Yes, Volodimir would be a non-loan version. | Jun 18 15:30 |
| psydread | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B9#Russian | Jun 18 15:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | драгой - Wiktionary | Jun 18 15:31 | |
| psydread | and then we are back to turd | Jun 18 15:31 |
| psydread | I guess we can't escape from it | Jun 18 15:32 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: How monumental %) | Jun 18 15:34 |
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| psydread | but this dichotomy in Russian is interesting | Jun 18 15:39 |
| psydread | we have something like this in Hindi too with a more archaic Sanskrit word and the evolved one being used side by side for different purposes | Jun 18 15:40 |
| MinceR | english has germanic and french (frankish?) versions of the same word used for related but different purposes | Jun 18 15:41 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: What sets it apart from, say, a dichotomy in English with pig/pork is that loans are also from a Slavic language. | Jun 18 15:41 |
| psydread | yes, but this is a bit different | Jun 18 15:42 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: More like Latin loans in French? | Jun 18 15:42 |
| psydread | XRevan86, yes | Jun 18 15:42 |
| XRevan86 | Well, from a practical effect what this did is introduce a lot of South-isms into Russian, not as much archaisms. | Jun 18 15:43 |
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| MinceR | > "There are literally dozens [of people] with more than 100 guns — these are private arsenals right in the middle of our suburbs — there is no reason for anyone in Sydney to have the gun numbers of that order," Greens MLC David Shoebridge said. | Jun 18 15:45 |
| MinceR | is he worried they might wield all 100 guns at the same time? | Jun 18 15:45 |
| psydread | do you also use OCS words in Russian or is that a rarity? | Jun 18 15:46 |
| MinceR | is there a Hecatoncheires living in NSW? | Jun 18 15:46 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: Lots of words in this list are common words. | Jun 18 15:46 |
| XRevan86 | Like "гражданин" is the word for "citizen" | Jun 18 15:47 |
| XRevan86 | Eastern "горожанин" is also used, but for a citizen… wait… | Jun 18 15:47 |
| XRevan86 | city-zen %) | Jun 18 15:48 |
| MinceR | bourgeois | Jun 18 15:48 |
| XRevan86 | city dweller | Jun 18 15:48 |
| MinceR | Bürger | Jun 18 15:48 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: literally correct, the best kind of correct | Jun 18 15:49 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/PpV0evc.png | Jun 18 15:49 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: You can also see another South-ism here: zhd instead of just zh | Jun 18 15:50 |
| XRevan86 | надёжа <-> надежда | Jun 18 15:51 |
| psydread | I only know the latter word | Jun 18 15:51 |
| XRevan86 | надёжа – (low colloquial or folk poetic) hope; support, stronghold | Jun 18 15:51 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: Do you know одёжа? | Jun 18 15:51 |
| XRevan86 | or одёжка | Jun 18 15:51 |
| psydread | but the former looks more like Polish nadzieja | Jun 18 15:52 |
| psydread | clothes? | Jun 18 15:52 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: yes | Jun 18 15:52 |
| psydread | just guessing from Polish odzież | Jun 18 15:53 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: одежда is common, одёжа is colloquial, dated | Jun 18 15:54 |
| XRevan86 | and одёжка is a common colloquial dimunitive | Jun 18 15:54 |
| psydread | I would just use all of these dated terms for the hell of it, if I were in Russia | Jun 18 15:55 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: In many cases that would be problematic. | Jun 18 16:06 |
| psydread | XRevan86, but it would be fun at least | Jun 18 16:06 |
| psydread | unless people would want to kill me for using them | Jun 18 16:07 |
| XRevan86 | To say хоромы (palace) instead of храм (temple, cathedral)? %) | Jun 18 16:07 |
| psydread | of course 🙂 | Jun 18 16:07 |
| XRevan86 | To say хоронить (to bury) instead of хранить (to keep, to protect) | Jun 18 16:08 |
| psydread | I would definitely get beaten up 🙂 | Jun 18 16:08 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_liquid_metathesis_and_pleophony#TeRT_and_ToRT | Jun 18 16:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Slavic liquid metathesis and pleophony - Wikipedia | Jun 18 16:10 | |
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| XRevan86 | psydread: Not definitely. https://ru.wiktionary.org/wiki/схоронить#Русский | Jun 18 16:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ru.wiktionary.org | схоронить — Викисловарь | Jun 18 16:28 | |
| XRevan86 | notice the third definition | Jun 18 16:28 |
| XRevan86 | The doublet of сохранить (to save) got the same meaning in Internet slang. | Jun 18 16:29 |
| MinceR | https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=khram | Jun 18 16:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.urbandictionary.com | Urban Dictionary: khram | Jun 18 16:29 | |
| psydread | phew | Jun 18 16:29 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Gives TempleOS a new connotation. | Jun 18 16:30 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 18 16:30 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's haram to show one's khram in a khram | Jun 18 16:33 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 18 16:34 |
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| XRevan86 | psydread: Here a better one: передать – to give, to hand over, предать – to betray | Jun 18 16:36 |
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| XRevan86 | Though I guess any ambiguity here is removed by context %) | Jun 18 16:37 |
| psydread | перепрошую :) | Jun 18 16:38 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: вибачаю | Jun 18 16:38 |
| psydread | I know | Jun 18 16:38 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: That's a reply %) | Jun 18 16:39 |
| psydread | some Ukrainian guy in Dublin told me you would rather use вибачте | Jun 18 16:39 |
| XRevan86 | перепрошую ~= вибачте | Jun 18 16:39 |
| XRevan86 | with вибачте you ask to be вибачити, so I do: вибачаю | Jun 18 16:40 |
| psydread | this is familiar to me somehow | Jun 18 16:41 |
| XRevan86 | извините, извинить, извиняю respectively | Jun 18 16:42 |
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| psydread | do you often conjugate verbs like that as in "to excuse (something)" and "to make (someone) excuse (something)"? | Jun 18 16:43 |
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| XRevan86 | I'm not sure about the logic of the word выбачити, because it's from бачити – to see (from the word for eyes очи) | Jun 18 16:43 |
| psydread | there is an expression in Dutch "iets door de vingers zien" | Jun 18 16:44 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: вина – guilt, извинить – to guilt out, I guess | Jun 18 16:44 |
| psydread | so literally "see something through your fingers" | Jun 18 16:44 |
| XRevan86 | So извините is like "guilt me out" | Jun 18 16:44 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/смотреть_сквозь_пальцы | Jun 18 16:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | смотреть сквозь пальцы - Wiktionary | Jun 18 16:45 | |
| XRevan86 | psydread: Are you suspecting a loan? | Jun 18 16:45 |
| psydread | XRevan86, not a loan but a similar idea perhaps | Jun 18 16:46 |
| XRevan86 | It's literally the same %) | Jun 18 16:46 |
| psydread | yes | Jun 18 16:47 |
| psydread | do you think the Russians took it from the Dutch? 🙂 | Jun 18 16:47 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: It's obvious that this expression got around %) | Jun 18 16:47 |
| XRevan86 | From the Polish Wiktionary I see that Greek has it. | Jun 18 16:48 |
| psydread | I don't even know where to look for it on the Polish Wiktionary | Jun 18 16:50 |
| psydread | zobaczyć? | Jun 18 16:50 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: Look left :D | Jun 18 16:50 |
| XRevan86 | on the link I gave | Jun 18 16:50 |
| psydread | ah 😀 | Jun 18 16:50 |
| XRevan86 | вибачити is very similiar to извинить is also in that из- is close to be a OCS doublet of вы- | Jun 18 16:51 |
| XRevan86 | so if извинить is to guilt out, then вибачити is to see out. | Jun 18 16:51 |
| XRevan86 | to outsee someone | Jun 18 16:51 |
| XRevan86 | I don't know what sense that makes %) | Jun 18 16:52 |
| XRevan86 | maybe unseeing guilty actions | Jun 18 16:52 |
| psydread | let the person leave instead of beating them up and burying them in your backyard 😀 | Jun 18 16:52 |
| MinceR | dunno, but to excuse in hungarian also has the root of seeing in it | Jun 18 16:52 |
| psydread | yeah, probably | Jun 18 16:52 |
| MinceR | at least in one version | Jun 18 16:52 |
| XRevan86 | And "to turn a blind eye" could also be a hint. | Jun 18 16:54 |
| XRevan86 | as it's also unseeing %) | Jun 18 16:54 |
| psydread | so it may all be connected in some way | Jun 18 16:57 |
| XRevan86 | share an idiomatic sense | Jun 18 16:58 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: Another word for forgiveness – простить (простя in Bulgarian) has something to do with easeness or simplicity. | Jun 18 17:01 |
| XRevan86 | maybe to deescalate, to stop making a situation out of it | Jun 18 17:02 |
| psydread | yes | Jun 18 17:02 |
| psydread | prosto | Jun 18 17:03 |
| psydread | just straight? | Jun 18 17:03 |
| psydread | in at least one of the Slavic languages | Jun 18 17:03 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: easy, simple | Jun 18 17:03 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: Apparently простъ also had that meaning in Old Russian | Jun 18 17:05 |
| psydread | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/prosto | Jun 18 17:05 |
| XRevan86 | Which makes idiomatic sense too – something plain is, well, plain and simple | Jun 18 17:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | prosto - Wiktionary | Jun 18 17:05 | |
| psydread | I remember when I was asking the way in Poland people told me to "prosto" | Jun 18 17:06 |
| psydread | so that meaning has stuck with me the most | Jun 18 17:06 |
| XRevan86 | oh, I see | Jun 18 17:06 |
| psydread | but it's good to realise that it is also related to простить | Jun 18 17:06 |
| XRevan86 | prosto… idi pryamo :) | Jun 18 17:06 |
| psydread | and in Croatian there is oprostiti | Jun 18 17:06 |
| XRevan86 | Another OCS doublet: ровный (even, straight) and равный (equal) | Jun 18 17:09 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: And the word перепрошую is obviously from прошу, i.e. to ask | Jun 18 17:11 |
| XRevan86 | which is connected to English pray | Jun 18 17:12 |
| psydread | yes | Jun 18 17:12 |
| psydread | ah | Jun 18 17:13 |
| psydread | and also to Dutch vragen and German fragen | Jun 18 17:13 |
| psydread | so that's another mystery that has been solved | Jun 18 17:13 |
| psydread | we use prashna in Hindi for prayer as well | Jun 18 17:14 |
| XRevan86 | In Russian prayer is from the word to beg | Jun 18 17:16 |
| XRevan86 | hm, those apparently it's initially for prayer, and begging is a later addition | Jun 18 17:16 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/modliti | Jun 18 17:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/modliti - Wiktionary | Jun 18 17:16 | |
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| sebsebseb | MinceR: Apple | Jun 18 17:18 |
| psydread | that's the meaning of your name? | Jun 18 17:20 |
| psydread | nick* | Jun 18 17:20 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: Maybe it's a contraction from sebe-sebe-sebe! | Jun 18 17:21 |
| XRevan86 | a demonstration of great greed :) | Jun 18 17:21 |
| psydread | 🙂 | Jun 18 17:22 |
| XRevan86 | which incidentally is also what Apple is all about | Jun 18 17:25 |
| psydread | I'm waiting to see how Apple will make another generation of iDevices obsolete | Jun 18 17:27 |
| psydread | although their focus is on those iDevices and not their laptops and desktops these days | Jun 18 17:28 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: With ARM | Jun 18 17:28 |
| psydread | XRevan86, I know, I've read about it | Jun 18 17:29 |
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| psydread | I don't get all the fearmongering around hardware transitions | Jun 18 17:32 |
| psydread | they've always done it | Jun 18 17:32 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: Proprietary software has one interesting property: poor platform exchangability. | Jun 18 17:33 |
| XRevan86 | this looks like something that would remove a lot of software baggage for macOS :) | Jun 18 17:34 |
| XRevan86 | * from | Jun 18 17:34 |
| psydread | I think this is what allows macOS to somehow survive 🙂 | Jun 18 17:34 |
| XRevan86 | Another thing is that on Apple computers it will be even harder to get something else running. | Jun 18 17:34 |
| psydread | I expect it to become really hard | Jun 18 17:35 |
| psydread | but that is not really an issue | Jun 18 17:35 |
| XRevan86 | what is now will look like childs play | Jun 18 17:35 |
| psydread | just don't buy it, if you want to run something else | Jun 18 17:35 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: I stick with the first part. | Jun 18 17:35 |
| MinceR | 18 183216 < psydread> I don't get all the fearmongering around hardware transitions | Jun 18 17:36 |
| MinceR | i don't get it either | Jun 18 17:36 |
| MinceR | they'll always have the logo and the extremely high prices | Jun 18 17:36 |
| psydread | the funny thing is that technically not even the Powermac G5 machines are obsolete, if you run Linux on them | Jun 18 17:37 |
| XRevan86 | Anyway, if one is an Apple fan, one shouldn't complain about getting it rough. | Jun 18 17:37 |
| MinceR | even if by some horrible accident they once produce a device that happens to be not total garbage, locked into an unusable OS | Jun 18 17:38 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUaJ8pDlxi8 | Jun 18 17:38 |
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| CrystalMath | back from work | Jun 18 19:14 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Florida has +3,207 Coronavirus cases reported today. | Jun 18 19:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump: "Something about the heat. It just kills the virus dead.". | Jun 18 19:32 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: He is not wrong. It dies in just 15 minutes when exposed to 120°C | Jun 18 19:33 |
| XRevan86 | No SARS-CoV-2 on Venus, you know. | Jun 18 19:33 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I don't think people would live 15 minutes at that temperature. | Jun 18 19:34 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Technicalities. | Jun 18 19:34 |
| MinceR | that's just another advantage of that temperature | Jun 18 19:35 |
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| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: It also dies on the Sun. | Jun 18 19:37 |
| XRevan86 | on the surface of the Sun | Jun 18 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <XRevan86 "No SARS-CoV-2 on Venus, you know"> It's a bug planet! A planet hostile to life itself! | Jun 18 19:37 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Where is that quote from? It's beautiful | Jun 18 19:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Starship Troopers. The movie. | Jun 18 19:41 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: That sounds like something they'd say | Jun 18 19:41 |
| XRevan86 | Is that the wording? | Jun 18 19:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Would you like to know more? | Jun 18 19:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's been a while since I've seen it. | Jun 18 19:42 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I think I would've noticed :) | Jun 18 19:42 |
| XRevan86 | too good | Jun 18 19:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-4_Part_2 | Jun 18 19:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | MPEG-4 Part 2 - Wikipedia | Jun 18 19:42 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | How is MPEG-4 ASP still patented? | Jun 18 19:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's been around for 22 years now. | Jun 18 19:43 |
| XRevan86 | I watched the film soonafter I read the book. It made me appreciate the film more :) | Jun 18 19:43 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Yes, it's a literal quote | Jun 18 19:44 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/JiI7UaW6Rkc?t=2m27s | Jun 18 19:44 |
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| XRevan86 | I've mostly forgotten the book by now though, not the film. | Jun 18 19:45 |
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| XRevan86 | I've found Heinlein's love to describe sexual preferences of the people of the future to be quite weird. | Jun 18 19:47 |
| XRevan86 | I thought it's a fetish of his. | Jun 18 19:47 |
| XRevan86 | But after reading a bit on him I now think he was intending it as a way to show decadence of the future soft humans. | Jun 18 19:48 |
| XRevan86 | Which adds up to the narrative that standard short-living humans are better than the overly advanced ones. | Jun 18 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xvid#Sigma_Designs_controversy | Jun 18 19:49 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | 1: Commit GPL violations. | Jun 18 19:49 |
| XRevan86 | Could be something about that meaning is given to art by the viewer/reader :) | Jun 18 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 2: When caught, say you'll rewrite the GPL code to avoid further infringement. | Jun 18 19:50 |
| XRevan86 | because I really thought he's all for all that kinky stuff | Jun 18 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 3: Instead of rewriting the GPL code, just obfuscate it. | Jun 18 19:50 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: The story of the Windows 7 Media Writer? | Jun 18 19:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 4: Get caught again, and release the code under the GPL. Put out a press release that doesn't even mention the people you stole the code from, and send it through the Edelman PR company touting how wonderful your product is and how you are "contributing it" for the good of "the community". | Jun 18 19:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, some scumbags called Sigma Designs that copied GPL code for the xvid MPEG-4 ASP codec and shipped an encoder based on it. | Jun 18 19:52 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: it has been shown to die at temperatures as low as 60 C | Jun 18 19:52 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Good, no need to literally get cooked then | Jun 18 19:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When the body of the victim falls to room temperature, the virus eventually dies too. | Jun 18 19:53 |
| XRevan86 | just make everything a desert | Jun 18 19:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe Trump can talk about that. | Jun 18 19:53 |
| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: well it doesn't die immediately actually | Jun 18 19:53 |
| CrystalMath | just eventually | Jun 18 19:53 |
| CrystalMath | but i mean, the virus *always* dies eventually | Jun 18 19:53 |
| CrystalMath | you can also just wait it out | Jun 18 19:53 |
| CrystalMath | which is the best way of killing it we have now | Jun 18 19:54 |
| XRevan86 | you can also just not inhail it, and it will die hostless | Jun 18 19:54 |
| CrystalMath | well that's gonna be hard | Jun 18 19:54 |
| CrystalMath | i was around hundreds of students today | Jun 18 19:54 |
| XRevan86 | Another reason why no virus on Venus | Jun 18 19:54 |
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| CrystalMath | if humans got around the need to breathe it would cause a lot of viruses trouble | Jun 18 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/18/trump-campaign-runs-ads-with-marking-once-used-by-nazis-designate-political-prisoners/ | Jun 18 19:56 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Good luck with the rally tomorrow. I hope he does attract 60,000 people. | Jun 18 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It will be the last mistake several hundred of them ever make, and then they'll take it to church with them. | Jun 18 19:56 |
| CrystalMath | with the current death rate? i'd be surprised if 300 died | Jun 18 19:57 |
| CrystalMath | even if they somehow all got it | Jun 18 19:57 |
| CrystalMath | which would take a miracle | Jun 18 19:57 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I'll take it! | Jun 18 20:02 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Today we've got 13 chapter 13s filed with the bankruptcy court. | Jun 18 20:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "This universe has everything, Morty! It's got 11 9/11s!". | Jun 18 20:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Another person filed bankruptcy in Waukegan today. | Jun 18 20:31 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Probably the reason it's not worse than it is, is because the intent of the Republican Party with BAPCPA was to make it cost so much to pay your lawyer that you wouldn't bother because it would cost thousands of dollars to file. | Jun 18 20:33 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | LOL | Jun 18 20:34 |
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| CrystalMath | i think it's stupid to change the terms master/slave or whitelist/blacklist | Jun 18 21:33 |
| CrystalMath | i never actually used them much in my own software but now i will make sure to | Jun 18 21:33 |
| CrystalMath | because screw censorship | Jun 18 21:33 |
| CrystalMath | screw political correctness, it always only caused harm | Jun 18 21:34 |
| CrystalMath | it's a good heuristic to consider political correctness as ALWAYS in the wrong | Jun 18 21:34 |
| CrystalMath | fi they want terms gone,that means they must be good | Jun 18 21:34 |
| CrystalMath | *if | Jun 18 21:34 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Don't bother with "slave", it was lame to begin with. | Jun 18 21:34 |
| CrystalMath | it makes sense | Jun 18 21:34 |
| CrystalMath | in some cases | Jun 18 21:34 |
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| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Well, with the same meaning you could use "follower" or "dependent". | Jun 18 21:37 |
| XRevan86 | sheeple, kholop | Jun 18 21:38 |
| XRevan86 | The boyar/kholop topology%) | Jun 18 21:38 |
| CrystalMath | nope, master/slave | Jun 18 21:38 |
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| CrystalMath | just to infuriate the bastards who want to censor those words | Jun 18 21:39 |
| CrystalMath | i could one-up it and include the words "political correctness is evil" in an invariant section of the GFDL manual :) | Jun 18 21:39 |
| CrystalMath | the license could also demand attribution, so that any fork will not be allowed to detach itself from the battle against political correctness | Jun 18 21:40 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Way not to involve politics in | Jun 18 21:40 |
| XRevan86 | with more politics | Jun 18 21:40 |
| CrystalMath | well we've been left with no choice | Jun 18 21:41 |
| CrystalMath | it's now important to create software that is strongly anti-pc | Jun 18 21:41 |
| CrystalMath | and anti-censorship | Jun 18 21:42 |
| MinceR | like i said, all this SJW-on-software bullshit will achieve is splitting software along political lines | Jun 18 21:42 |
| MinceR | and then i'll get to look for software that is not crybully or religious fundamentalist, but usable | Jun 18 21:43 |
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| CrystalMath | MinceR: i'm an atheist | Jun 18 21:45 |
| CrystalMath | just, strongly anti-censorship | Jun 18 21:45 |
| CrystalMath | and anti-collectivist | Jun 18 21:45 |
| MinceR | and how well will you be able to resist the religious fundamentalist tribe? | Jun 18 21:46 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20022725 | Jun 18 21:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4389420) | Jun 18 21:52 | |
| psydroid | MinceR, meritocracy-approved software? | Jun 18 21:56 |
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| psydroid | I think there should always be projects that aren't infested with SJW types who only try to subvert them without contributing anything | Jun 18 21:57 |
| MinceR | maybe the problem will solve itself | Jun 18 21:57 |
| MinceR | well, except for the crybullies taking over formerly useful software | Jun 18 21:57 |
| MinceR | but we could still fork | Jun 18 21:57 |
| psydroid | I think forking should happen and should have happened more often | Jun 18 21:58 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jun 18 21:58 |
| MinceR | hedrat should have forked Linux so they wouldn't pollute our version | Jun 18 21:58 |
| MinceR | and they should have forked debian too | Jun 18 22:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Don't you see how only valuing people who have had their dick chopped off, inverted, and turned into a vagina, and not accepting complaints about bias and microaggressions from anyone else makes GNOME Shell quit leaking memory? | Jun 18 22:00 |
| MinceR | i don't, but it doesn't matter | Jun 18 22:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GNOME 3 was so bad for the first few years, I called it GNOME's Hell. | Jun 18 22:01 |
| MinceR | the last time gnome was useful was 0.x or 1.x | Jun 18 22:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Metacity did what it did just fine and ran on stuff that wasn't the latest computer. | Jun 18 22:02 |
| MinceR | also, it seems to me that microaggressions aren't working | Jun 18 22:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So that had to be fixed. | Jun 18 22:02 |
| MinceR | what we need are macroaggressions | Jun 18 22:02 |
| MinceR | or even megaaggressions | Jun 18 22:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Exagressions | Jun 18 22:03 |
| psydroid | what I also think is funny of perhaps sad is that the so-called heroes of the GNU/Linux movement such as the big commercial distributions are trying their best to ruin whatever reputation they have built over the past few decades | Jun 18 22:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh wait, that's when you're with some assholes who leaves and isn't satisfied with just dumping you, so they scheme to use the police as part of a revenge scheme. | Jun 18 22:04 |
| psydroid | it's as if absolute power corrupts absolutely | Jun 18 22:04 |
| MinceR | well, debian used to be community-driven | Jun 18 22:07 |
| MinceR | and then hedrat took over | Jun 18 22:07 |
| psydroid | hedrat should keep systemd/GNOME/Linux and leave the rest to us | Jun 18 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Making a meme | Jun 18 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Spider-Man: I put that server on the blacklist, That's racist, OK, I'll put all the other servers on the whitelist, That's also racist | Jun 18 22:20 |
| MinceR | making a meme and checking it twice | Jun 18 22:21 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: yellowlist, redlist maybe? | Jun 18 22:21 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 18 22:21 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/18391034 | Jun 18 22:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Software is now being split along POLITICAL lines rather than free/nonfree. Who benefits? Let me guess. | Jun 18 22:22 | |
| XRevan86 | And a special orangelist | Jun 18 22:22 |
| MinceR | well, of course this won't bother proprietary software | Jun 18 22:22 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/18391045 | Jun 18 22:22 |
| MinceR | their code and bugtracker are secret | Jun 18 22:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 2020: is your code free? 2021: is your code Conservative? | Jun 18 22:22 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/18391034#f032b51093d60138520452540039b762 | Jun 18 22:23 |
| schestowitz | "Divide and Conquer." | Jun 18 22:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Software is now being split along POLITICAL lines rather than free/nonfree. Who benefits? Let me guess. | Jun 18 22:23 | |
| XRevan86 | That one is very efficient as it has only one entry and therefore evaluated at compile-time. | Jun 18 22:23 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 18 22:23 |
| CrystalMath | i care about the code being free as in freedom | Jun 18 22:24 |
| CrystalMath | this includes the right to use it in a drone that kills by race | Jun 18 22:24 |
| MinceR | it always included that right | Jun 18 22:25 |
| MinceR | though now that you've mentioned it, i have no doubt some SJW will start campaigning to ban that in copyright licenses | Jun 18 22:25 |
| CrystalMath | i mean, of course it sucks, but only if you have the wrong mindset that you own the software | Jun 18 22:25 |
| CrystalMath | once you realize that software shouldn't have owners, it should become clear to you | Jun 18 22:26 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: "Fair" licences are a thing for years | Jun 18 22:27 |
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| CrystalMath | XRevan86: you mean proprietary licenses | Jun 18 22:27 |
| MinceR | eventually they'll try to replace free licenses with them | Jun 18 22:27 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: well that was something that scared me, the possibility of the GPLv4 being such | Jun 18 22:27 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: a particular subset of proprietary licenses | Jun 18 22:27 |
| MinceR | well, yeah | Jun 18 22:27 |
| CrystalMath | as that would pretty much negate our copyleft power | Jun 18 22:27 |
| MinceR | they "cancelled" RMS | Jun 18 22:27 |
| CrystalMath | they failed to cancel RMS | Jun 18 22:28 |
| CrystalMath | he is still Chief GNUisance | Jun 18 22:28 |
| MinceR | last time i checked, OSI was already considering approving some non-open source license | Jun 18 22:28 |
| CrystalMath | that's a long way from taking over the GPL | Jun 18 22:29 |
| CrystalMath | anyway, according to RMS, the FSF is still a good guardian of the GGL | Jun 18 22:30 |
| CrystalMath | *GPL | Jun 18 22:30 |
| CrystalMath | because it has all those contracts that keep it in check | Jun 18 22:30 |
| CrystalMath | but nobody said it's time to put your guard down | Jun 18 22:32 |
| schestowitz | ok, done http://techrights.org/2020/06/18/ethics-and-words/ | Jun 18 22:36 |
| schestowitz | I hope it didn't upset anyone | Jun 18 22:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Humour] It All Started With Removal of the Word “Slave” | Techrights | Jun 18 22:36 | |
| schestowitz | conservatives say "trigger" | Jun 18 22:36 |
| schestowitz | I kept this polite | Jun 18 22:36 |
| schestowitz | BTW, you have to wonder why Guido retired | Jun 18 22:36 |
| schestowitz | he wasn't yet retirement age | Jun 18 22:36 |
| schestowitz | left python (mostly), then dropbox also | Jun 18 22:36 |
| MinceR | :) | Jun 18 22:36 |
| schestowitz | it happened around the time people shame-talked over "master" | Jun 18 22:36 |
| schestowitz | first slave | Jun 18 22:37 |
| schestowitz | then master | Jun 18 22:37 |
| schestowitz | now they go after more words | Jun 18 22:37 |
| schestowitz | because they keep feeding the misguided idiots | Jun 18 22:37 |
| schestowitz | who are usually not even minorities | Jun 18 22:37 |
| schestowitz | but 'well-meaning' white people | Jun 18 22:37 |
| schestowitz | who imho look to derail our focus | Jun 18 22:37 |
| schestowitz | along distracting lines | Jun 18 22:37 |
| CrystalMath | auto engineers: mastering | Jun 18 22:40 |
| CrystalMath | SJWs: noooOooOOoooOOOoo (triggered sounds) | Jun 18 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Guido is dutch | Jun 18 22:41 |
| schestowitz | the Dutch were world leaders in slave trade | Jun 18 22:42 |
| schestowitz | so if he did not buckle, there would be chaos | Jun 18 22:42 |
| XRevan86 | hm | Jun 18 22:42 |
| schestowitz | then look what New Yorker did to Linus | Jun 18 22:42 |
| MinceR | mastery! | Jun 18 22:42 |
| schestowitz | framing it as a gender issue | Jun 18 22:42 |
| schestowitz | his manners | Jun 18 22:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's also an offensive slang word for an Italian. | Jun 18 22:42 |
| schestowitz | he may have lacked temper control, but men were his victim 90% of the time | Jun 18 22:42 |
| *XRevan86 was amused by the strange rise of #RussianLivesMatter on Twitter to raise awareness about Russian cops. | Jun 18 22:43 | |
| XRevan86 | And Russians also kept Russian enslaved. | Jun 18 22:43 |
| XRevan86 | world leaders in self-slavery maybe? | Jun 18 22:43 |
| CrystalMath | i would really like ANTIFA to meet russian cops | Jun 18 22:43 |
| CrystalMath | or better, NKVD | Jun 18 22:44 |
| CrystalMath | those would break antifa bastards' arms before even asking the first question | Jun 18 22:44 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: They prey on the defenceless. | Jun 18 22:44 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Cops are very polite with people they consider able to fight back. | Jun 18 22:45 |
| XRevan86 | Mainly Chechens | Jun 18 22:45 |
| XRevan86 | And actual riots play out very differently in Russia. | Jun 18 22:49 |
| XRevan86 | Peaceful protests are where the police is very rough. | Jun 18 22:50 |
| XRevan86 | When something violent is happening, they are understaffed and not advantageous. | Jun 18 22:51 |
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| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: So if you're talking about people who are willing to fight back and not just shout "pozor!", then it's very different. | Jun 18 22:54 |
| XRevan86 | It seems "pozor" in a sense "shame" is shared only by Great Russian and Bulgarian. | Jun 18 22:57 |
| XRevan86 | Looks like a semantic loan from OCS then. | Jun 18 22:58 |
| XRevan86 | psydread: It is this extensive :) | Jun 18 23:01 |
| *psydroid will name his branches emperor and servant | Jun 18 23:10 | |
| *psydroid has also been learning some Bulgarian | Jun 18 23:11 | |
| XRevan86 | emperor and vader | Jun 18 23:12 |
| psydroid | haha | Jun 18 23:13 |
| psydroid | I may actually have seen both | Jun 18 23:13 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: all i thought was someone breaking antifa's arms off | Jun 18 23:14 |
| CrystalMath | that makes me happy | Jun 18 23:14 |
| XRevan86 | https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/06/18/nine-years-is-probably-a-sign-of-admiration the very first article on meduza.io/en right now | Jun 18 23:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Jun 18 23:15 | |
| XRevan86 | The Network case, also known as the Penza case against antifa | Jun 18 23:15 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: That's a twist, right? | Jun 18 23:16 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jun 18 23:47 |
| schestowitz | consider some Microsoft and Open Source conspiracy theories, wonder at the beauty of chroma key and Zoom backgrounds, mourn over the graves of many failed products, ask the tough questions about when good news becomes bad news, and generally chat about how we never cover the topics we think we're going to cover. | Jun 18 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Links to topics covered | Jun 18 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Everyone on the GNOME board of directors works for Microsoft (Dr. Roy) | Jun 18 23:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 18 23:47 |
| schestowitz | I didn't say they work for Microsoft | Jun 18 23:48 |
| schestowitz | They have github accounts | Jun 18 23:48 |
| schestowitz | that's just what I was showibg | Jun 18 23:48 |
| schestowitz | *showing | Jun 18 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | OK, listening | Jun 18 23:53 |
| schestowitz | he says it's NOT a conspiracy theory | Jun 18 23:53 |
| schestowitz | so misleading text | Jun 18 23:53 |
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