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[00:01]	matey	 <phanes> matey: he started to defame me, I research his background a little, and found that he's been defaming others for more than a decade. <- other than you and stallman, who has he defamed?
[00:01]	matey	feel free to raise your hand roy
[00:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	I am not reading
[00:01]	phanes	matey: there's a groweing laundry list that's forming, it is premature to give a comprehensive list at this point
[00:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	I work at 1am
[00:01]	matey	okay
[00:01]	phanes	growing*
[00:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	want to finish daily links and then record EPO video
[00:02]	matey	it is premature to give a comprehensive list <- anyone super notable at the moment?
[00:02]	phanes	matey: yes
[00:02]	matey	worth mentining now?
[00:02]	phanes	not yet.  stay tuned.
[00:02]	matey	havent seen you in a year, but youre here
[00:02]	matey	so 
[00:03]	phanes	waiting for ole' Matty-boy to stir a little deeper into the quicksand a bit first. 
[00:03]	matey	roy thinks hes only here to dig up stuff on everybody
[00:03]	phanes	yeah i've been around, keeping a low profile, and tbh i've been swamped with work
[00:03]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167350
[00:03]	phanes	he's here over narcissistic injury
[00:03]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[00:03]	matey	good place for it
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[00:04]	saint_dogbert	is irc.techrights.org going down for updates?
[00:04]	mjg59_	matey: I apparently defamed Kevin Kofler by calling him a dick
[00:04]	matey	is he a dick?
[00:04]	mjg59_	I think so, yeah, and it's clearly an expression of opinion rather than fact
[00:05]	phanes	remember you're dealing with segment B, matty-boy
[00:05]	matey	i presume phanes agrees that people are entitled to opinions and honest critiques
[00:05]	phanes	fo sho
[00:06]	matey	whats segment b
[00:06]	mjg59_	Also Ted Ts'o for https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/18505.html
[00:06]	TR Bot	 mjg59 | Ted Ts'o is a rape apologist and why this matters
[00:06]	matey	oh this one is of interest to me
[00:06]	mjg59_	(Apologies for the Cloudflare, I'm looking into alternatives)
[00:06]	matey	im still salty that tso was replaced by gkh
[00:06]	phanes	mjg59_: yeah, did you ever issue a retraction over Ts'o?
[00:06]	mjg59_	phanes: No
[00:06]	matey	yeah ill work around the cloudflare 
[00:07]	phanes	so what's this thing with Peter Todd?
[00:07]	matey	man this takes me back to identica
[00:08]	mjg59_	phanes: The rapist? He's a rapist.
[00:08]	mjg59_	phanes: There's sworn testimony that he raped someone
[00:08]	phanes	Who submitted that sworn testimony?
[00:08]	TR News	GNU/GNOME Desktop/GTK: a2ps, glib-gtk-book, and more Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167351
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[00:08]	mjg59_	phanes: His victim
[00:09]	phanes	so, that's a lie.  his victim did not submit that to the case.  someone did it on their behalf.  who was that?
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[00:09]	mjg59_	phanes: Uh. His victim provided sworn testimony to the court.
[00:10]	phanes	according to the briefing his victim did not submit sworn testimony, but anonymously relayed through someone else.  im just checking to see if you can clarify who that "someone else" was
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[00:11]	matey	/me just now managed to access https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/18505.html
[00:11]	matey	actually 4 minutes isnt so bad
[00:11]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167353
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[00:11]	matey	Ted Ts'o is a rape apologist and why this matters
[00:11]	matey	 :)
[00:11]	matey	you have to admit its a catchy title
[00:12]	phanes	it is
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[00:12]	matey	i think one of the worst things that ever happened to linux
[00:12]	matey	was tso getting fucked over for gkh 
[00:12]	matey	now, i could be wrong
[00:12]	phanes	fell short though matey, should have been titled "Scientists say Ted Ts'o is a rape apologist, and why this matters"
[00:12]	matey	but thats been my opinion for years now i think
[00:12]	mjg59_	phanes: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/14868600/30/3/todd-v-lovecruft/
[00:12]	DaemonFC	<mjg59_> phanes: Uh. His victim provided sworn testimony to the court.
[00:12]	TR Bot	Version of Jane Doe Declaration #30, Att. #3 in Todd v. Lovecruft (N.D. Cal., 4:19-cv-01751) CourtListener.com
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[00:13]	DaemonFC	"What happens if you lie in court? Nothing! Nothing happens if you lie, unless you get caught, and that's a whole different story!" -George Carlin
[00:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	Lovecruft sounds kind of kinky
[00:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	like loce craft
[00:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	love ship
[00:13]	matey	for some reason its always the trouble makers who get the rap
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[00:13]	mjg59_	Anyway going to go and eat lunch now back in a bit
[00:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	"comae aboard for sum sweet luv"
[00:13]	phanes	mjg59_: si why are you so familiar with the details of the Peter Todd case?
[00:14]	matey	lovecraft is kinky too, if youre into facial tentacles
[00:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	zoidberg?
[00:14]	matey	older and more malicious
[00:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	ah
[00:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	gene simmons
[00:14]	matey	close enough!
[00:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's not a tentacle
[00:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's a tongue
[00:15]	matey	honestly if i had his tongue id be more of a jerk too
[00:15]	matey	just not in the same way he is
[00:15]	matey	also i wouldnt grope ace frehleys wife
[00:15]	matey	because thats just a dick move
[00:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	remember "Love Boat"?
[00:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	the futursitc version if "Love Craft"
[00:15]	matey	yes, when it was exciting and new
[00:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	it always sucked
[00:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	maybe I was too young to understand the appeal
[00:16]	matey	mine is a reference to the theme tune
[00:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	seemed like fantasy cruicses
[00:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	not with covid-19 they're likle morgues floating
[00:16]	DaemonFC	Found some typos in my post. Fixed them.
[00:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	adnd you cannot get out
[00:16]	matey	ive actually never seen love boat
[00:16]	DaemonFC	You always find more when you go back and look.
[00:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	DaemonFC: spotted none myself
[00:16]	matey	but its references in ace ventura: pet detective
[00:17]	matey	and i know the first few words of the theme tune
[00:17]	DaemonFC	"drove out Jonathan Riddell out"
[00:17]	DaemonFC	should have just been "drove out"
[00:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: it was a boring one
[00:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	you missed nothing
[00:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	I remember the theme song
[00:17]	DaemonFC	"Unity desktop shell they frequently"
[00:17]	matey	yeah im sure there are episodes on youtube
[00:17]	DaemonFC	Unity desktop shell, they frequently 
[00:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=m_wFEB4Oxlo
[00:17]	TR Bot	 The Love Boat - Invidious
[00:17]	DaemonFC	I missed a comma. :P
[00:17]	matey	i watched an episode of the betty white show
[00:17]	matey	black and white
[00:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	the best part was the theme song
[00:18]	matey	and a few jack benny episodes
[00:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	after that a dull episode full of crap dialogue
[00:18]	matey	theyll never do that remake now
[00:18]	matey	spacey is done
[00:18]	matey	 after that a dull episode full of crap dialogu <- this is why i dont have a tv
[00:18]	matey	ok there are many reasons
[00:19]	phanes	it's actually fascinating to me that a courtroom authority would allow anonymous testimony in any circumstance as it allows anyone to say anything without being held accountable for false statements and their legal repercussions, including perjury
[00:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	full version: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=m2ugQ190hkc
[00:19]	TR Bot	 The Love Boat theme (long version) - Invidious
[00:19]	matey	The final keynote speaker gave a compelling presentation on online privacy, including some slides containing sexualised imagery. This was against the terms of the conference policies, and resulted in an apology from the conference organisers and the speaker. The situation was unfortunate but well handled, and that should have been the end of it.
[00:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	how they have aged https://yewtu.be/watch?v=96UV4fT_cYg
[00:19]	TR Bot	 THE LOVE BOAT THEN & NOW 2021 - Invidious
[00:19]	matey	its funny because
[00:19]	DaemonFC	"argues with Alan Pope"
[00:19]	matey	whenever something is called out like this
[00:19]	DaemonFC	derp
[00:19]	DaemonFC	argued
[00:19]	matey	i immediately want to see it
[00:19]	matey	not just because it might be in the prurient interest :)
[00:19]	matey	it might actually be more interesting if its tame af
[00:20]	phanes	i dont suggest that this is what happened, here, I merely point out that the concept of anonymous accusations in a courtroom defies the spirit of justice
[00:20]	matey	maybe it a screenshot of ubuntu!
[00:20]	DaemonFC	Yikes. That's like five of them I've spotted and fixed.
[00:20]	matey	Afterwards, there was some pushback on the conference mailing list. Concerns were raised about the policy being overly restrictive and the potential for it to be used to stifle speech <- well, yeah...
[00:20]	TR News	Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167354
[00:20]	TR Bot	 Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
[00:21]	matey	people have been railing against censorship ever since the church decided people should be killed for using a printing press
[00:21]	matey	its to be expected
[00:21]	TR News	"I tried to use Snaps when I was experimenting with Ubuntu a few years ago. These are the major problems with it." http://techrights.org/2022/07/17/trouble-with-ubuntu-snaps/
[00:21]	TR Bot	 The Trouble With Ubuntu Snaps, Ubuntu, and Ubuntu Derivatives | Techrights
[00:21]	matey	"I don't agree with these arguments, but discussion of why policies have been implemented is completely natural and provides an opportunity for a community to determine what its expected standards are."
[00:21]	matey	okay
[00:21]	matey	And then Ted Ts'o effectively called rape victims liars[1]
[00:22]	matey	[1]The original archive has vanished. I've put up a copy of the relevant thread here. https://web.archive.org/web/20220717231014/http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/ted_mail/
[00:22]	TR Bot	 lca_ted.mbox: by thread
[00:22]	phanes	matey: be careful using Garrett as a primary material source, cross-ref with other sources and piece together your own narrative from what you can verify
[00:23]	matey	 and piece together your own narrative <- fwiw, i spend literally years on this stuff.
[00:23]	matey	no conclusions will be reached today.
[00:23]	matey	and mjg as a primary source :) sorry, giggling
[00:23]	matey	but hes interesting to talk to
[00:23]	phanes	one of the tendencies ive noticed with this one is he tends to add details that pull at the strings of activists for disadvantaged population segments  
[00:23]	matey	well thats how you do it
[00:24]	matey	if he does that, thats how its done
[00:24]	matey	not you-you, everybody you
[00:24]	phanes	i.e. lots of narrative, lots of spin, but has a seed of truth to it for validation
[00:24]	matey	i mean ive been complaining about these tactics for a long fucking time
[00:24]	matey	as for why im reading this
[00:24]	matey	i find it helpful at times to get his side of the story
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[00:25]	matey	imagine if columbo only talked to people he assumed were honest?
[00:25]	matey	that would be a major fail at his job
[00:25]	phanes	ive got a pretty good example of this captured here: https://www.abuseonline.org/database/Garrett,%20Matthew/2022-07-16/
[00:25]	matey	his job is to talk to people who are bullshitting
[00:25]	TR Bot	 Linux 5.19-rc7 | Tux Machines
[00:25]	TR Bot	 
[00:25]	matey	im pro-stallman
[00:25]	matey	anti-fsf
[00:26]	matey	i want history to not be rewritten.
[00:26]	phanes	how can you be pro stallman and anti fsf
[00:26]	matey	i think the fsf was taken over by the same coup that ousted him
[00:26]	matey	and theres plenty of evidence, whether im right or not
[00:26]	matey	its not even a coup anymore, its an occupation
[00:26]	phanes	most of those tools resigned when the pro-stallman letter got like twice as many sigs
[00:26]	matey	but of course i could be wrong
[00:26]	matey	 most of those tools resigned <- i have a theory about that
[00:27]	matey	there are no lizards or ufos though
[00:27]	matey	though i do joke about pod people
[00:27]	matey	when the pro-stallman letter got like twice as many sigs <- that was a win, but 
[00:28]	matey	i think the damage at the fsf is permanent
[00:28]	matey	my primary concern regarding that is making sure the movement survives the organisation
[00:28]	matey	the real movement-- not the bullshit takeover
[00:28]	phanes	i like most of the people at fsf
[00:29]	phanes	when they come to ohio linuxfest i usually spend some time shooting the shit with the folks they have running a table
[00:29]	matey	i think the fsf has failed in other ways, perhaps but not necessarily realted to the coup
[00:29]	matey	ive been to ohio. never linuxfest
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[00:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	fsf had faced prior attacks
[00:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	pre-2019
[00:29]	phanes	i do think gcc needs a complete overhaul though, ive been crosseyed trying to automate cross-compiling a linux sysroot for surro for like 3 years
[00:29]	matey	yeah fsf was attacked for about 20 years
[00:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	even more
[00:30]	matey	 i do think gcc needs a complete overhaul though <- and a fork from outside ibm too
[00:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	the first 9/11 was in 1998
[00:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	fore FSF
[00:30]	phanes	matey: huh?  what fork?
[00:30]	matey	yeah it was called osi
[00:30]	matey	<phanes> matey: huh?  what fork? <- "i do think gcc needs a" no fork
[00:30]	matey	needs one
[00:31]	phanes	ph, yeah
[00:31]	MinceR	https://obviousplant.tumblr.com/post/127169753663/theres-a-bonus-fact-on-instagram
[00:31]	TR Bot	 Obvious Plant Theresabonus fact on Instagram.
[00:31]	phanes	ive thought about trying to use clang but its such unmapped territory for that i dont think it's fruitful
[00:31]	matey	if i wanted microsoft and ibm to control my computing, id just use windows
[00:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/richard-stallman-about-open-source-software.mp4
[00:31]	matey	what i dont like about clang is:
[00:31]	matey	1. github
[00:31]	matey	2. impossible to bootstrap
[00:31]	matey	what i dont like about gcc:
[00:31]	matey	1. ibm
[00:31]	matey	2. still really bloated (but not compared to llvm)
[00:32]	MinceR	what i don't like about clang is that crApple has its tentacles in it
[00:32]	matey	compared to llvm, gcc is streamlined af
[00:32]	phanes	if gcc+libc sysroot cross-compilation were easy to do though alpine wouldn't be a busybox toy still
[00:32]	matey	no wonder ariadne hates you :
[00:32]	matey	 :)
[00:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	this irc network runs on alpine
[00:32]	phanes	she hates me because she loses all her arguments with me lol
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[00:33]	matey	i bet she doesnt agree with that either
[00:33]	phanes	of course not
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[00:33]	matey	im mostly neutral on ariadne, but i dont think alpine is a toy
[00:33]	matey	its main problem is the kernel
[00:33]	phanes	i actively step around talking shit about her when she's not around though, she's a reasonably intelligent human being even if her morality could use a polish
[00:33]	matey	and i mean, if you start with linux as a given
[00:34]	matey	then theres not much you can do about that
[00:34]	matey	its not like i expect them to fix it
[00:34]	phanes	what's going on with the alpine kernel?
[00:34]	matey	nothing, its just linux
[00:34]	matey	thats seriously all i mean
[00:34]	phanes	i dont use that children's toy, i stopped reading at "busy box, but we're trying to reinvent gnu userland so as not to learn how to cross-compile"
[00:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	the new tuxmachiens container is less then a dozen processes c(ps aux)
[00:35]	matey	im going to guess that youre trying to use their own modesty against them
[00:35]	matey	but if youre not, thats funny
[00:35]	phanes	eh, i think its more fluff than not.  i dont really care about what alpine does or does not do.
[00:35]	matey	even funnier is that i dont give a shit about alpine whatsoever
[00:36]	matey	but id rather be fair to them, since it hasnt got systemd
[00:36]	matey	and isnt devuan based
[00:36]	phanes	systemd would be fine if they just stuck to (1) system init and (2) service state control
[00:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	alpine is not everything but the kitchen sink
[00:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	that's be linux and gcc
[00:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	*that'd
[00:36]	matey	systemd was intended as a cuckold os and sold as an init system
[00:37]	phanes	yes
[00:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	by a Microsoft employee :-)
[00:37]	phanes	its a trojan horse by design
[00:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	and Windows fan
[00:37]	matey	and former novell guy
[00:37]	phanes	it needs a "lite" fork that literally just does those two things
[00:37]	matey	so its good that boycott novell is finally moving away from systemd
[00:37]	phanes	and then subjects PRs that creep the scope to firing squads
[00:38]	matey	it needs a "lite" fork that literally just does those two things <- but i dont want any of it
[00:38]	matey	so after years of fighting systemd on gnu/linux
[00:38]	matey	i finally said fuck it and moved to bsd
[00:38]	phanes	oh come on, in those two categories, systemd was an objective evolution of sysv
[00:38]	matey	do not care
[00:38]	matey	the devs are all cunts
[00:38]	phanes	lol
[00:38]	matey	of the worst sort!
[00:39]	matey	again, if i wanted ibm and microsoft to control my computing
[00:39]	matey	id just use windows
[00:39]	matey	(though it would suck. a lot.)
[00:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	if you mention systemd in twitter they pounce at you
[00:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	they like to pretend the critics don't know what they're talking about
[00:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	or that errors encountered aren't really problems
[00:40]	MinceR	18 013628 < phanes> systemd would be fine if they just stuck to (1) system init and (2) service state control
[00:40]	MinceR	IOW, systemd would be fine if it wasn't systemd :>
[00:40]	matey	stupid question i know, but how many rape apologies make one a rape apologist?
[00:40]	matey	im sure some will say the same number of rapes it takes to make one a rapist
[00:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	Windows would be OK if it just 1) downloaded GNU/Linux 2) rebooted
[00:40]	matey	but im not sure its the same
[00:40]	MinceR	18 013826 < phanes> oh come on, in those two categories, systemd was an objective evolution of sysv
[00:40]	matey	you can be wrong about something without it being part of who you are as a person
[00:41]	phanes	i am still reading on the ted 'tso thing, but have yet to encounter him actually doing any "rape apology", if it's there, I haven't seen it yet
[00:41]	MinceR	provided you like your zombies to stick around, your system to fail to boot or shutdown reliably and you like your service management to be unreliable, yes
[00:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	he talked about statistics of rape
[00:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	and it was aaaggggggessas ago
[00:41]	matey	im having a look, since tso is a pivot point on the trajectory of linux from useful to tool to mostly useful to tools
[00:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	when the phenomenon of cancel culture on social CONTROL media was not yet a thing
[00:42]	matey	 and it was aaaggggggessas ago <- has it even passed the statute of limitations?
[00:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: tso spoke out agaionst Miceosoft
[00:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	so he needs to not be promoted
[00:42]	matey	<schestowitz[TR2]> matey: tso spoke out agaionst Miceosoft <- and systemd
[00:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	only demoted
[00:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	iut interferes with sheela's and james' income
[00:42]	matey	[LCA2011-Chat] Some Anti-Harassment Policies considered harmful Pia Waugh
[00:42]	matey	any relation to jeff waugh?
[00:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2022/05/14/microsoft-breadwinner/
[00:43]	TR Bot	 Who Brings Home the Bacon (Revenue), Sheela or James (Jim)? | Techrights
[00:43]	phanes	yeah i dont buy the "hey guess what, now that youre all mad that i made and avangelized this subsystem that allows microsoft to decide what os you can boot, i was an inside player all along and only did it because it was inevitable and would have been worse if i didnt"
[00:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: his ex wife
[00:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	they ran a consulting named after his surname
[00:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	theirs back then
[00:43]	MinceR	:>
[00:44]	matey	their name makes me think of "show me the way" by peter frampton
[00:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	pia is usually a danish name
[00:44]	matey	beacuse he sings it over and over
[00:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	maybe australia adopted it too
[00:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	peeee-YA!!!!!
[00:44]	matey	<schestowitz[TR2]> pia is usually a danish name <- except when its royal korean 
[00:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	(japenese accent)
[00:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: or a girl at the pub :-)
[00:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	she wanted to date, then she didn't want to date, then I found out she had dated my friend arne
[00:46]	matey	Please note, I am not diminishing what rape is, and or any particular person's experience. However, I *am* challenging the use of statistics that may be hyperbolic and misleading, and ultimately may be very counterproductive if it causes people to become afraid when the reality might not be as horrible as the "1 in 4" numbers might at first sound. 
[00:46]	matey	Just as it was wrong for George Bush to inspire fear in the population so he could push his War Against Iraq agenda through congress, it's also wrong for people who, out of good intentions, inspire fear in others or themselves of being raped if the statistics used are misleading and manipulated. 
[00:46]	matey	if i agree with that, am i a rape apologist?
[00:46]	matey	asking for a friend!
[00:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	he mentioned the wart
[00:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	darpa won't be happy
[00:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	*war
[00:47]	matey	/me goes back to reading mjg since not sure what part he takes issue with
[00:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	tghe war wart :-)
[00:47]	matey	special military wart
[00:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	tso also opposed exFAT in Linux
[00:47]	matey	tso was exactly what linux needed to remain not shit
[00:47]	phanes	when i hear "rape apologist" the term to me implies someone trying to justify rape as a less than horrible thing, which I have to admit I've never seen anyone do, like, ever
[00:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	in 2019ish
[00:47]	matey	and exactly what they avoided
[00:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	you have to have a pair of balls
[00:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	to say that
[00:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	when Microsoft bribes LF
[00:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	a pair of balls given the CoC
[00:48]	matey	a rape apologist is a person we cant have on our team.
[00:48]	matey	even if the project becomes completely co-opted by microsoft as a result.
[00:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	darpa will revoke his comits :-)
[00:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	he insinuated bush was wrong to "liberate" iraq
[00:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	maybe tso is a chinese agent :-)
[00:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	CHOIIINA
[00:49]	matey	first, we implement REALLY poorly conceived broad rules that look harmless
[00:49]	matey	then we target mostly troublemakers against the corporate hegemony
[00:49]	matey	then we HAVE TO move forward, no matter how it may hurt or how it may give microsoft more control over their own competition
[00:49]	matey	because ousting rape apologists is much more important than antitrust violations
[00:50]	matey	so much so, that we cant be too careful
[00:50]	matey	even a SUSPECTED rape apologist i would not want around
[00:50]	matey	ruining linux for everyone
[00:50]	phanes	nazi litmus test: when i hear the term "apologist" applied to nazi, a "nazi apologist" would be expected to be making justifications for nazi behaviour right
[00:50]	matey	we have a nazi here, but ive never called him an apologist
[00:50]	phanes	so applying the apologist descriptor in the same meaning to rape, a "rape apologist" would be expected to be making justifications for rape
[00:51]	matey	actually maybe i did once in response to someone else calling him that
[00:51]	matey	i called roy a debian apologist
[00:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	i use debian
[00:51]	matey	usually when i say "apologist" its got something corporate to the left of it
[00:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	i do't use nazii
[00:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	i do't use tape
[00:51]	matey	/me hopes nazis dont decide to incorporate
[00:51]	matey	other than ibm, siemens, hugo boss, etc
[00:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	climate denier
[00:51]	phanes	< matey> even a SUSPECTED rape apologist i would not want around <--- that's why anonymous accusations are so effective. 
[00:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	denier is another new word applied to terms
[00:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	and belittles the other things
[00:52]	matey	yeah but anonymous people have no reason to lie, so...
[00:52]	matey	[1] every such complaint must be honest
[00:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: stfu, you systemd denier!!!
[00:52]	matey	[2] everything on 4chan must be true
[00:52]	phanes	denier, apologist, these are projected archetypes in some cases
[00:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: this rebranding happens now i russia
[00:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	so companies can keep operating theere
[00:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	gert ready for fantua.ru
[00:54]	matey	this seems like a leap:
[00:54]	matey	Ted disagrees with a statistic because some rape victims subsequently have sex with the reported assailant. This means that Ted believes that this indicates that they were not really raped. Ted is a rape apologist.
[00:54]	matey	actually, i think the correct version of that statement is:
[00:54]	matey	"Ted disagrees with a statistic"
[00:54]	matey	but thats just my first impression
[00:54]	MinceR	disagreeing with statistics is heresy
[00:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	you should see ted at TED
[00:55]	matey	and the punishment for heresy is death!
[00:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/What-the-Tech-Industry-Has-Learned-from-Linus-Torvalds_-Jim-Zemlin-at-TEDxConcordia-U-Portland.mp4
[00:55]	DaemonFC	Firefox Sync disappeared completely from GNOME Web recently.
[00:55]	DaemonFC	I don't know exactly when that happened.
[00:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	Zemlin's head is so big he cannot stand straight
[00:55]	DaemonFC	It was having...problems.
[00:55]	DaemonFC	I guess they decided to off it.
[00:56]	phanes	well, hold on.  maybe there's room for growth here.  is not believing a claim of rape a "rape apology"?  or is it disagreeing with the material facts of a situation
[00:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	going to work now, bbl
[00:56]	DaemonFC	Oh no, wait, they just moved it again.
[00:56]	DaemonFC	LOL, over here, no over there!
[00:57]	phanes	i wish i knew more people who knew more about this kind of thing, it feels like some population segments use different definitions of these terms
[00:57]	phanes	and they all think that anyone not using their personal definition is a neanderthal
[00:58]	matey	Last week the Ada Initiative published a blog post pointing out the damage that did
[00:58]	matey	they deleted it too
[00:58]	matey	This is somewhat embarrassing, isnt it?
[00:58]	phanes	did someone capture it on internet archive?
[00:58]	matey	It seems we cant find what youre looking for. Perhaps searching can help.yeah im looking now
[00:58]	phanes	id be interested in reading it
[00:58]	matey	https://web.archive.org/web/20210722022721/https://adainitiative.org/2012/10/25/open-source-software-open-to-all/
[00:58]	TR Bot	 Open source software: Open to all? | Ada Initiative
[00:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.11 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.41 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[00:59]	matey	 made comments that also downplayed the seriousness of all rape. <- thats not what im getting from tsos comments
[00:59]	phanes	didnt ada initiative get dissolved after a big scandal involving honeypots for prominent foss figures a few years back?
[00:59]	matey	i havent read them all yet
[00:59]	matey	 didnt ada initiative get dissolved after a big scandal involving honeypots for prominent foss figures a few years back? <- why would they get dissovlved over that?
[00:59]	matey	note "would" not "should"
● Jul 18
[01:00]	phanes	iirc there was a huge issue about it 
[01:00]	phanes	what year was this ada initiative link created
[01:00]	matey	 Theodore Y. Tso wrote <- i love that they use his middle initial
[01:00]	matey	they should just use his full name like theyre his mother
[01:00]	matey	this is the only place ive ever seen his middle initial
[01:00]	matey	whats it supposed to do, inspire terror?
[01:01]	MinceR	i think it's also part of his email address
[01:01]	matey	"oh my god, they know the first letter of my middle name!"
[01:01]	matey	i think it's also part of his email address <- fair point if so
[01:01]	matey	 Theodore Y. Tso wrote that rape was impossible if both people were drunk enough <- hmm
[01:01]	matey	and that including several common kinds of rape in rape statistics could be hyperbolic and misleading. <- NO IT COULDNT!
[01:02]	matey	you can use statistics misleadingly in ANYTHING
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[01:02]	matey	E-X-C-E-P-T rape, where its IMPOSSIBLE
[01:03]	matey	oh hey, the geek fem wiki has their own archive of what he said thats offensive
[01:03]	matey	maybe that will be faster
[01:03]	phanes	>Tso wrote that rape was impossible if both people were drunk enough <<-- so, that's kind of dated thinking.  I mean, if both people are too drunk to consent who got raped?  Is it automatically the woman in her thinking, or does she not believe that women can rape men? 
[01:03]	matey	http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Rape_apology_on_LCA_mailing_list
[01:03]	TR Bot	 Rape apology on LCA mailing list | Geek Feminism Wiki | Fandom
[01:03]	phanes	that's just bizarre thinking to me
[01:04]	mjg59_	matey: I've re-uploaded the archive of the mailing list thread
[01:04]	matey	yeah i um: https://web.archive.org/web/20201021232820/http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/ted_mail/
[01:04]	TR Bot	 lca_ted.mbox: by thread
[01:04]	mjg59_	matey: Oh yeah that would also work
[01:04]	matey	i got it from your article
[01:04]	matey	so i figure
[01:04]	matey	this is hardly the most key question i have
[01:05]	matey	but how many stupid arguments does one have to make about rape to be a "rape apologist"
[01:05]	matey	i mean, clearly you only need to rape one person once to be a rapist
[01:05]	matey	but tso made more than one argument
[01:05]	mjg59_	matey: I think if the core of your argument is that a bunch of rape isn't actually rape then you qualify
[01:06]	matey	i mean as a generalisation, that sounds reasonable
[01:06]	mjg59_	phanes: Ok so have we established that someone provided sworn testimony to a court that Peter Todd raped them?
[01:06]	phanes	im still not sold on someone having bad stats on rape being a "rape apologist" more than just being less informed on an issue.  The term "rape apologist" implies someone justifying rape or making excuses for a rapist
[01:07]	matey	implies someone justifying rape or making excuses for a rapist <- people clearly think he was doing the latter
[01:07]	matey	so are they right or wrong is the question imo
[01:07]	phanes	mjg59_: we have, but you and I disagree over who submitted that testimony.  For some reason you say the victim submitted it, when, it's clear in other court documents that there was a relay to protect her anonymity and based on those documents I believe you know who that relay was.
[01:08]	matey	in a murder they take intent into account
[01:08]	matey	wrongful death, manslaughter, murder, degree, etc
[01:08]	phanes	matey: i can't find any statements from T'so still that justify rape or make excuses for rapists
[01:08]	mjg59_	phanes: The victim provides their name in the document and swears to the truth of the testimony
[01:08]	matey	it seems like the intent of tso wasnt to rape apologise, but to question censorship
[01:09]	matey	but thats what the thread was about before it became ye olde tso rape apology thread
[01:09]	phanes	matey: im leaning that direction from what i've found so far too, so, i mean, let's say that was his intent.  why would MG call him a rape apologist and disrupt his career over it?
[01:10]	mjg59_	He worked for Google at the time, he works for Google now
[01:11]	matey	mjg: this is going to sound like a joke at your expense, im not sure i can help that
[01:11]	matey	but its a serious question that you can answer if you like
[01:11]	phanes	mjg59_: so it's your assertion that calling him a rape apologist did not damage his career and reputation?
[01:11]	mjg59_	phanes: I've seen no evidence that it did
[01:11]	matey	would you rather i think of you as a malicious schemer, or a useful idiot?
[01:11]	matey	im not saying those are the only two possibilities
[01:11]	matey	but i presume you would prefer the latter
[01:11]	mjg59_	matey: Ha honestly I understand either position
[01:12]	phanes	mjg59_: do you still believe that he is a rape apologist?
[01:12]	matey	oh theres evidence for either
[01:12]	matey	but evidence is a piece of cake
[01:12]	mjg59_	I disagree with both, but given our divergent starting points it's easy to end up with either conclusion
[01:12]	matey	theres evidence the earth is flat-- im not too swayed by it
[01:12]	matey	i had breakfast with buzz aldrin once. flat earth didnt come up
[01:12]	mjg59_	phanes: Having just re-read the arguments I made, I continue to agree with them
[01:12]	mjg59_	phanes: If you want to re-publicise something that happened a decade ago, go for it
[01:12]	phanes	mjg59_: do you believe anything you say?
[01:13]	MinceR	"you believe in the earth?"
[01:13]	matey	I disagree with both <- thats fair of course, but its not my question
[01:13]	mjg59_	phanes: But I mean re-publicising something that most people have forgotten about seems like a way to draw more attention to my original assertions?
[01:13]	matey	im not asking if you ARE a malicious schemer or a useful idiot
[01:13]	matey	im asking which one youd rather i think, if i were going to assume one of those
[01:13]	phanes	matey: why do those have to be mutually exclusive?
[01:13]	matey	they arent
[01:14]	matey	chocolate and vanilla ice cream arent exclusive. im only asking his preference
[01:14]	mjg59_	matey: Honestly my preference would be for people to think I'm a malicious schemer because I'm vain and I'd like people to think I'm smart enough to achieve everything they suspect me of
[01:14]	phanes	no
[01:14]	phanes	you're not vain
[01:14]	phanes	you have textbook NPD
[01:14]	matey	 <mjg59_> matey: Honestly my preference would be for people to think I'm a malicious schemer because I'm vain and I'd like people to think I'm smart enough to achieve everything they suspect me of <- thats disappointing
[01:14]	phanes	they are not the same thing
[01:14]	mjg59_	matey: Ideally I'd prefer people to think I'm neither
[01:14]	matey	i would have assumed youd rather i think you were a good person who was manipulated
[01:14]	matey	yeah, i mean of the two
[01:15]	matey	we could start with the premise that both are absurdities
[01:15]	matey	but you agree theyre plausible
[01:15]	mjg59_	Eh. Look, me saying that things I've done are because other people encouraged me to do them would be a lie.
[01:15]	matey	for me thats not the point
[01:15]	mjg59_	I take responsibility for my own choices
[01:15]	matey	yeah you have this thing about agency
[01:15]	matey	and its got a place to be sure
[01:15]	matey	but i was thinking, this morning actually
[01:15]	phanes	what does "taking responsibility for my own choices" mean to you other than a soundbyte to make you sound reasonable, though?
[01:16]	mjg59_	phanes: Why did you change your blog site about your ex-fiance to remove your name and insert a fake one instead?
[01:16]	matey	your take on agency almost seems to preclude the existence of manipulation and people being taken advantage of-- which im sure you dont believe
[01:16]	mjg59_	matey: I believe people can be taken advantage of! But the set of people I associate with now and listen to has almost nothing in common with the people who were there a decade ago
[01:16]	matey	 <phanes> what does "taking responsibility  <- he plays this agency meme a lot, and while im not sure it proves anything (or that its insincere) its the most interesting thing i can think of about his positions
[01:17]	mjg59_	If I'm a useful idiot, that would require new people to be manipulating me
[01:17]	matey	<mjg59_> matey: I believe people can be taken advantage of! But the set of people I associate with now and listen to has almost nothing in common with the people who were there a decade ago
[01:17]	matey	 ^ now this reminds me of something roy says
[01:17]	mjg59_	But my positions have been pretty consistent throughout
[01:17]	matey	t, that would require new people to be <- heres why i disagree
[01:17]	matey	 But my positions have been pretty consistent throughou <- this i agree with
[01:17]	matey	youre way more consistent than roy
[01:17]	matey	hes all over the place
[01:18]	matey	cultists can also be very consistent
[01:18]	matey	im not saying that applies her
[01:18]	phanes	i think "cultist" is a stretch here
[01:18]	matey	just that a fiction can be told very consistently
[01:18]	phanes	ideological, certainly
[01:18]	matey	i want implying hes a cultist
[01:18]	mjg59_	phanes: Why did you change your blog site about your ex-fiance to remove your name and insert a fake one instead?
[01:19]	matey	roy says (or has said) that the fsf cant be manipulated by corporations
[01:19]	matey	because the big nasty ones have pulled out
[01:19]	phanes	yeah they throw the money around
[01:19]	matey	this is a sort of transistor model of manipulation
[01:19]	matey	where once you remove the signal, it removes the boost
[01:19]	matey	but in real life manipulation isnt like that
[01:20]	matey	if someone is manipulated
[01:20]	matey	its easier for them to get away from that if you remove the manipulator from the equation
[01:20]	matey	but a lot of these things are long-lasting
[01:20]	matey	sometimes for life, sometimes for years
[01:20]	matey	and depending on the form of manipulation-- a lie is one
[01:20]	matey	if you realise a lie is a lie, thats often enough to remove the effect of the manipulation
[01:20]	matey	if the method is fear-- that can last for ages
[01:21]	matey	but if you dont realise that a lie is a lie
[01:21]	matey	or that youre afraid of something youre avoidant of
[01:21]	mjg59_	I note that phanes just doesn't want to answer some questions about his own behaviour
[01:21]	matey	then removing the manipulator can have zero effect on how you were manipulated
[01:21]	matey	and yet
[01:21]	phanes	mjg59_: did you prompt Valeria to write her piece on T'so and then the two of you agree later it needed to come from you as part of a coordination of PR interests?
[01:21]	phanes	*valerie
[01:21]	mjg59_	phanes: Not to the best of my knowledge, no
[01:21]	phanes	to the best of your knowledge
[01:22]	mjg59_	I mean
[01:22]	phanes	what an odd way to answer that
[01:22]	matey	but the idea that the fsf is suddently free of corporate influence now that the corporations are gone (it still tries to gain favour with them)
[01:22]	mjg59_	If I wrote a thing and she then decided to write a thing as a result of me writing a thing, did I prompt her?
[01:22]	matey	or that a manipulator leaves your life is no longer affecting someone
[01:22]	mjg59_	I didn't talk to her about it, and she didn't talk to me about it
[01:22]	matey	its not vrey realistic (or very oversimplified)
[01:22]	matey	on the other side of the coin of course
[01:23]	phanes	mjg59_: right, none of this is about me, it's about you
[01:23]	matey	not everything is manipulation
[01:23]	matey	some (radical) feminists belive that men have more power on average, so all hetero sex is rape.
[01:23]	phanes	mjg59_: well no, valerie wrote the ada piece on ts'o first and then you did it, and then ada pulled down the ts'o piece
[01:23]	phanes	it was in such a short timeline too
[01:23]	matey	in other words, all hetero sex is the result of manipulation or imbalance of power
[01:24]	matey	i take some issue with that argument
[01:24]	phanes	the kind of synchronicity that implies coordinated activity
[01:24]	matey	but its not a very popular one
[01:24]	mjg59_	phanes: I did not ask Valerie to write anything, she did not ask me to write anything. Whether something I did encouraged her to do something, I have no idea
[01:24]	matey	phanes: you dont think a snowball effect is just as plausible?
[01:24]	phanes	mjg59_: what do you know about the honeypot accusations levied against the ada initiative
[01:24]	phanes	matey: no, i dont in this case
[01:25]	matey	any particular reason?
[01:25]	mjg59_	phanes: I have literally zero factual knowledge beyond ESR's assertions
[01:25]	matey	/me wishes it was anyone but esr
[01:25]	matey	even tso
[01:25]	phanes	matey: mostly tactical inference admittedly
[01:25]	matey	fair enough
[01:26]	mjg59_	phanes: You don't think your removal of your own name from your blog about your ex-fiance and replacing it with someone else's name is consistent with you using false identities when criticising people?
[01:27]	matey	at the foot of https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Rape_apology_on_LCA_mailing_list
[01:27]	TR Bot	 Rape apology on LCA mailing list | Geek Feminism Wiki | Fandom
[01:27]	matey	is a link to a "privilege denial" event
[01:27]	phanes	mjg59_: so, you just happened to be lip synced to defame ted ts'o as a rape apologist with an organization later destroyed by allegations of dishonest practices involving the same theme 
[01:28]	mjg59_	phanes: I genuinely have no recollection of the order of events there
[01:28]	phanes	mjg59_: and let's be clear, here, you know valeria and were in cooperation with the ada initiative at the point already
[01:28]	phanes	why do i keep spelling her name 'valeria'.  *valerie
[01:29]	phanes	*at that point
[01:29]	mjg59_	https://geekfeminism.fandom.com/wiki/Rape_apology_on_LCA_mailing_list?action=history was apparently created on 2011-04-23
[01:29]	TR Bot	 Revision history of "Rape apology on LCA mailing list" | Geek Feminism Wiki | Fandom
[01:29]	mjg59_	I blogged about it on 2012-10-29
[01:30]	matey	and your blog starts by mentioning the previous year
[01:30]	mjg59_	Yeah the event itself was early 2011 - it was the year Brisbane flooded
[01:30]	phanes	ada post is on 2012-10-25
[01:31]	phanes	four days
[01:31]	phanes	what synchronicity
[01:31]	phanes	it gets taken down shortly after on ada site
[01:31]	phanes	put up on your blog
[01:31]	phanes	and the liability transfers
[01:31]	phanes	to someone with some immunities
[01:31]	phanes	interesting stuff
[01:32]	phanes	im not saying that's the reason why
[01:32]	phanes	im just saying that's the result of the change
[01:32]	matey	what immunities
[01:32]	phanes	or would have been should it not have been captured in internet archive
[01:32]	mjg59_	phanes: Do you have a link? I'm afraid I honestly don't remember.
[01:32]	matey	/me bets it matters when its taken down even if the archive archives it
[01:32]	mjg59_	There's a lot of stuff that happened a decade ago that I don't remember
[01:33]	matey	not always
[01:33]	phanes	schestowitz[TR2]: you have some input on what kind of immunities MG might have?
[01:33]	matey	/me is curious
[01:33]	mjg59_	I'm not aware of having any immunities
[01:33]	mjg59_	I'm a US citizen living in the US, I don't enjoy any special status here
[01:34]	phanes	Aren't you Irish on a visa?
[01:34]	mjg59_	phanes: No
[01:34]	phanes	im hesitant to call you scottish
[01:34]	mjg59_	I'm definitely not Scottish
[01:34]	matey	its not scotland
[01:34]	phanes	dont want to offend anyone
[01:34]	phanes	the scottish i mena
[01:34]	mjg59_	I have multiple citizenships
[01:34]	mjg59_	One of them is US
[01:35]	matey	maybe you could flee the country to avoid a defamation lawsuit
[01:35]	mjg59_	Ok, I guess we're talking about https://web.archive.org/web/20121029035100/http://adainitiative.org/2012/10/open-source-software-open-to-all/
[01:35]	TR Bot	 Open source software: Open to all?
[01:35]	matey	(im not leaning on this, im speculating)
[01:35]	mjg59_	Which was still online in 2021: https://web.archive.org/web/20210722022721/https://adainitiative.org/2012/10/25/open-source-software-open-to-all/
[01:35]	TR Bot	 Open source software: Open to all? | Ada Initiative
[01:35]	matey	i mean thats probably an extreme response to most defamation lawsuits
[01:35]	mjg59_	So it's plausible that I read that and it encouraged me to write about Ted
[01:36]	phanes	oh i dont think so
[01:37]	mjg59_	Cool?
[01:37]	phanes	what i think happened is you and aurora planned it out and pivoted for liability reasons
[01:37]	mjg59_	What liability reasons?
[01:37]	mjg59_	That post remained on the Ada Initiative blog
[01:37]	phanes	particularly given how her organization fell apart, and why, and given your previous association with her, and common theme
[01:37]	mjg59_	But no, I'm pretty sure Valerie did not encourage me to write that post in any way
[01:38]	phanes	which is also the same theme in most of your documented instances of defamatory behaviour
[01:38]	mjg59_	I think you're going to need to be clearer on your accusation here
[01:38]	phanes	and also the same theme in what is unconfirmed to be defamatory behaviour but is in progress
[01:38]	mjg59_	Especially because you've already made an assertion that appears untrue
[01:39]	mjg59_	01:31 < phanes> it gets taken down shortly after on ada site
[01:39]	phanes	relax, this is just icing stuff at this point.  i dont need to clarify anything yet.
[01:39]	mjg59_	Evidence suggests otherwise
[01:39]	phanes	we're just exploring the past
[01:39]	phanes	and finding patterns that extend from where you are today on a timeline
[01:40]	phanes	i tell ya what though, i have an offer for you that you would consider an olive branch to pull you out of the quicksand
[01:41]	mjg59_	phanes: Was your claim that the post was taken down from the Ada Initiative website true?
[01:41]	phanes	i know that youre very arrogant and are less inclined after having a discussion, since you work mostly off FFF valuations 
[01:41]	phanes	but
[01:42]	phanes	i'll want to have provided it for you to remember that it was there, and it's a real offer
[01:42]	phanes	with an expiration date
[01:42]	mjg59_	Having been involved in lawsuits I am well aware of the value of a reasonable settlement
[01:42]	phanes	it wont cost you a dime.  not everyone like us is obsessed with money.
[01:43]	mjg59_	I'm also well aware that you haven't sued me, so we're not talking about settling a lawsuit
[01:43]	phanes	you're right, we're not
[01:43]	mjg59_	So, what's your offer
[01:44]	phanes	I'll send it in a private message shortly.
[01:44]	matey	In the FFF system, heat transfer coefficients are conventionally reported as BTU per foot-fathom per degree Fahrenheit per fortnight.
[01:44]	matey	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FFF_system
[01:44]	TR Bot	 FFF system - Wikipedia
[01:44]	phanes	matey: Fight, Fuck, Flee
[01:44]	matey	thank you
[01:44]	matey	though really, thank you for inadvertently leading me to this article as well
[01:47]	mjg59_	01:45 <phanes> If you (1) make out a list of everyone you have ever damaged the reputation of in the last ten years.  (2) Make a public statement to each of them individually apologizing and retracting what you said to them.  (3) commit to me personally and sincerely that you will seek to improve yourself in this area with earnest effort. -- Then I will give you a clean slate.
[01:47]	mjg59_	Hm. So, I've damaged the reputation of Microsoft at various points in the past 10 years. Am I supposed to apologise to them?
[01:47]	mjg59_	Also Intel, Google, Red Hat, and more
[01:48]	phanes	It is your pile of bodies to sort through.
[01:48]	mjg59_	Cool
[01:48]	mjg59_	Having a pile of bodies sounds pretty bad-ass
[01:48]	phanes	I would be the first on the list of your many retractions and apologies.
[01:49]	phanes	And this is a generous offer.
[01:49]	mjg59_	phanes: Was your claim that the Ada Initiative removed their post about Ted 4 days after posting it true?
[01:50]	mjg59_	It seems like a core part of your theory of what happened here
[01:50]	mjg59_	So I'd really like to understand that aspect of things better
[01:50]	phanes	It's not even a theory at this point, I'm more musing around on what happened at that point.
[01:51]	mjg59_	You made an explicit factual assertion
[01:51]	mjg59_	Was it true?
[01:51]	phanes	I will clarify nothing for you in this context.
[01:52]	mjg59_	Ok do you agree that https://web.archive.org/web/20210722022721/https://adainitiative.org/2012/10/25/open-source-software-open-to-all/ indicates that the post was still on the website in 2021, almost 9 years after it was originally posted?
[01:52]	TR Bot	 Open source software: Open to all? | Ada Initiative
[01:53]	phanes	I do not distract.
[01:53]	mjg59_	And do you agree that 9 years is longer than 4 days?
[01:53]	phanes	Well, I do distract, I am not distracted is more accurate.
[01:53]	matey	its still possible that it was taken down at some point (though im not married to this)
[01:54]	matey	in between 
[01:54]	phanes	im not either, i was under the impression it was taken down soon after, so, if it wasn't that idea wouldn't have any backing to it
[01:54]	matey	thats what hes saying
[01:55]	mjg59_	Here it is in 2013: https://web.archive.org/web/20130310141254/http://adainitiative.org/2012/10/open-source-software-open-to-all/
[01:55]	TR Bot	 Open source software: Open to all?
[01:55]	phanes	no what he's doing is still playing toy soldier against a tank and hoping to get lucky in a gotcha instead of disengaging conflict to realize he's being given a way out of a problem he created for himself, made worse for himself, and is now super close to unraveling a whole bunch of other stuff he didn't expect
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[01:55]	matey	there are plenty of good reasons to take stallman down, most of them arent very plausible or relevant
[01:55]	mjg59_	So if it was taken down it was put back up shortly afterwards
[01:56]	matey	suppose for example, if stallman were made entirely of a powerful radioactive isotope
[01:56]	phanes	in all fairness if i didn't have any leverage and were super pissed about not getting my way i'd want to as well
[01:56]	matey	then taking him down could prevent wwiii
[01:56]	matey	but i would understand
[01:57]	matey	especially if other means were explored and found insufficient
[01:57]	mjg59_	phanes: All I'm saying here is that you made an explicit claim (a post was made on the Ada Initiative website on 2012-10-25 and was taken down by 2012-10-29), you have provided no evidence to support that assertion, and that externally available evidence does not support your position terribly well
[01:57]	matey	of course imo the point of taking him down was to silence his followers, not just him
[01:57]	MinceR	18 025425 < matey> thats what hes saying 
[01:57]	MinceR	that's what she said!
[01:57]	phanes	MAttie-boy what you're not taking into account is that, let's say you find some way to fabricate a damaging enough lie or find out im some kind of FBI fugitive or some kind of weird bizarre damaging thing, you're still not going to be able to use it because im willing to be destroyed over truth.
[01:58]	matey	she said it, but we cant say she said it because she said if we said it it would violate the code of conduct
[01:58]	matey	by the seashore
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[01:58]	phanes	i mean
[01:58]	phanes	you could
[01:58]	phanes	it just won't change anything
[01:58]	mjg59_	phanes: Is it true that the Ada Initiative blogged about Ted and then took down the post 4 days later?
[01:58]	MinceR	i don't think there's a good reason to take rms down, considering that he's hardly doing anything anymore
[01:58]	phanes	there is one, and i mean exactly one path to resolution
[01:58]	phanes	and after a certain point of escalation you'll have burned that olive branch
[01:58]	matey	i dont think theres a good reason to take him down, hes already down
[01:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.11 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.41 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[01:59]	matey	and the thing he was taken down over was bullshit
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[01:59]	mjg59_	Ok I think we've reached the point in the conversation where it's obvious that Phanes just made some shit up and can't support it but is unwilling to admit that
[01:59]	MinceR	yeah
[01:59]	matey	and if we let it go the same could happen to any of us
[01:59]	matey	<mjg59_> Ok I think we've reached the point in the conversation where it's obvious that Phanes just made some shit up and can't support it but is unwilling to admit that <- in fairness he mentioned a laundry list
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[02:00]	matey	and im sure this isnt the whole thing
[02:00]	phanes	no i always was clear that it was an exploration of what happened and i incorporate new information into my thinking as im exposed to it since im not an ideologue
[02:00]	mjg59_	Oh yeah but you should apply a critical eye to his laundry list when it's clear that he's ok with just making things up without evidence
[02:00]	phanes	lol
[02:00]	matey	if mjg has spent his career defaming people unfairly and phanes can stop that, great
[02:00]	phanes	matt, the text is right here for people to read
[02:01]	phanes	he wants this to be a phanes thing instead of a matthew garrett thing
[02:01]	matey	im familiar with the manuever
[02:01]	mjg59_	Yes, the text where you rely on an unsupported assertion
[02:02]	matey	phanes, are you familiar with british comedy other than the knight from the round table on your website? presumably yes
[02:02]	matey	douglas adams?
[02:02]	phanes	yes, that's part of how conceptual exploration works if you dont have someone mashing your peas to feed to you
[02:02]	matey	dirk gentlys holistic detective agency?
[02:02]	phanes	matey: i <3 Douglass Adams
[02:02]	phanes	matey: have you read his posthumous salmon of doubt?
[02:03]	matey	did you ever see the television series of dirk gently? its not the same as the books
[02:03]	phanes	no i haven't lol
[02:03]	phanes	ill have to check it out
[02:03]	matey	is there an artificial god (salmon of doubt is one my favourite atheist works
[02:03]	matey	<phanes> ill have to check it out <- if you check out the first few episodes
[02:03]	matey	youll have a pretty good idea where im coming from
[02:04]	matey	dirk gently is played by "DAN!" from im alan partridge
[02:04]	matey	"lynne, these are sex people!"
[02:04]	phanes	i think i offered him the olive branch too soon, he's still in "if i find an unrelated gotcha your cited exposure of me wont count and your whole lifetime of established credibility is meaningless bwahahahahah!</wario voice>""
[02:05]	phanes	i mean really man, your tricks just do not work on someone like me
[02:05]	matey	ive never offered him one
[02:05]	mjg59_	Ha ha established credibility woo
[02:05]	matey	im only interested in what hes actually done, not anything he hasnt, and our exchanges seem cordial
[02:06]	phanes	yes, in even areas you are an expert in, i am actually more credible than you are to most of society outside of your immediate circles
[02:06]	phanes	there's a reason for that
[02:06]	matey	phanes: i believe youve written some software. what are you expert in?
[02:06]	matey	(ill tell you what im expert in: fuck all)
[02:06]	matey	/me is not an expert
[02:06]	phanes	and it's not something you can acquire without spending alot of time working on "who is matthew garrett inside"
[02:06]	matey	i did get called an sme once, but i think that was hypothetical
[02:08]	phanes	mjg59_: now, granted, i know your next major strategy is going to involve trying to round up a mob of defamers, and that will backfire as much as every other piece of this has so far, but you really could do better, and you have a choice to
[02:08]	phanes	it'll be a conscious decision on your part what you do every step of the way
[02:08]	mjg59_	phanes: What's your predicted outcome if I fail to do what you ask of me? What impact will your attacks have on my life, and over what timescale?
[02:08]	mjg59_	I'd like to have some meaningful predictions so we can measure how effective you are afterwards
[02:09]	phanes	mjg59_: while I can see why you'd care, that's none of your business
[02:09]	mjg59_	Eg, "Matthew Garrett will be fired by his employer within (x) months of his defamatory behaviour being unmasked"
[02:09]	matey	i have a theory about that, but its general
[02:09]	mjg59_	Not having a timeline makes it seem like you're not confident that you'll achieve your outcome
[02:09]	matey	people on the corporate side rarely feel the brunt of the corporate side (all things being relative)
[02:09]	phanes	You really needed someone dumber to go through this with, but this is what life gave you.
[02:10]	phanes	Re'd ya book, man.
[02:11]	phanes	Are you going to be a better person?
[02:11]	mjg59_	I always strive to be a better person
[02:12]	mjg59_	But I suspect we disagree on what "better person" means
[02:12]	phanes	Yes, defaming peope habitually is not what I envision in that.  You lack a certain regard for the impact of the damaging things you say about people.
[02:12]	phanes	Not just with me, either, we've demonstrated that.
[02:13]	phanes	You're aware you've got a blind spot but you're not aware of when it's showing.
[02:13]	mjg59_	An alternative explanation here is that you're some kind of fuckup in this respect
[02:14]	mjg59_	But, as you say, it's not up to us to decide that - other people do it for us
[02:14]	phanes	The way you become a better person is acknowleding those defects present in every living person, particularly the ones that affect you more than most, and addressing them, and changing your behaviour to counter them.
[02:15]	phanes	That starts with, and this can be done just internally, you dont have to tell people about it, acknowledging them and deciding to fix them.
[02:15]	phanes	It's harder than it sounds.
[02:15]	mjg59_	I'm willing to put money on this! Let's say that if, within 18 months, I have suffered meaningful career damage as a result of you publicising my behaviour, I'll donate $5000 to an abortion support fund of your choice
[02:15]	matey	/me made this the ending of a charles dickens parody
[02:15]	mjg59_	And if I haven't, you'll do the same
[02:15]	mjg59_	Fair? 18 months sounds like enough time for you to manage this
[02:16]	phanes	No, we won't be doing anything like that.
[02:16]	mjg59_	Coward
[02:16]	phanes	Yes repeatedly running circles around you without stooping to your level is somehow cowardice.
[02:17]	matey	also denis roio on a motorcycle
[02:17]	phanes	I think you confuse kindness with weakness.
[02:17]	phanes	It's a common trait for the weak.
[02:18]	mjg59_	I feel like donating $5000 to an abortion support fund is pretty kind?
[02:19]	matey	/me wonders what james randi is up to
[02:19]	mjg59_	It just sounds like you're not confident that anything you do here is going to have any impact on me
[02:19]	phanes	Oh.  I get it.  You're trying to convert the pressure you're under into narcissistic supply for a serotonin rescue.  Not happening.
[02:19]	phanes	Simply because you asked for it, if you need a reason.
[02:20]	phanes	You don't understand what's going on here.
[02:21]	mjg59_	I understand that you're insufficiently confident in the outcome of your attacks here that you're unwilling to have money donated to a cause you support
[02:22]	phanes	Then the concepts we've discussed here were over your head.
[02:23]	phanes	I'm actually seriously confused by intellectual grade displayed through this saga so far, I really had been expecting a string mind for a previous kernel developer, and I had prepared for that, but you come across like a normie.
[02:23]	phanes	strong
[02:23]	phanes	*
[02:24]	phanes	you're navigating this just so....poorly
[02:24]	phanes	not that i can complain about that, i just wonder if you've got something going on
[02:25]	matey	/me likes columbo more than jordan peterson 
[02:25]	phanes	none of my business, but if you do, and that's contributed to your defamation in some instances, i'd like to know about it and am wiling to preserve confidence on it
[02:26]	phanes	columbo was awesome 
[02:26]	phanes	i grew up watching old reruns
[02:27]	matey	he never did figure out if fred savage was really sick though
[02:27]	matey	or just using it as an alibi
[02:28]	matey	and he never questioned the six-fingered man, or even reported inigo montoya
[02:29]	phanes	:/
[02:29]	phanes	wow we got up to 330k people for exposure last week lol
[02:30]	matey	who?
[02:30]	phanes	this abuseonline thing
[02:30]	matey	oh thats you?
[02:30]		*phanes shrugs
[02:31]	phanes	SILO GROUP is taking abuse reports 
[02:31]	phanes	at their abuse@silogroup.org email set up over a year ago
[02:32]	phanes	those are the only details i'll provide
[02:32]	phanes	besides this: https://www.abuseonline.org/database/Garrett,%20Matthew/2022-07-16/
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[02:32]	matey	no i hadnt noticed is all
[02:33]	matey	yeah it mentions your tweet
[02:33]	matey	https://www.abuseonline.org/database/secondary-actors/Patterson,%20Meredith/start_notes.md
[02:33]	TR Bot	 
[02:33]	matey	 :(
[02:34]	matey	i didnt know she was party to this
[02:34]	phanes	yeah the appelbaum thing is touchy in terms of formalizing the reporting on it because its so socially charged
[02:35]	matey	my impression is that patterson called it like she saw it and meant no ill will
[02:36]	matey	have you read her article on...
[02:36]	phanes	we dont want to make any assertions on whether appelbaum did bad things but do want to highlight false reporting in it to potentially identify serial defamers in other issues
[02:36]	phanes	by the way did you know matthew garrett was close to that situation?
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[02:36]	matey	he comes up a lot during these conversations
[02:36]	matey	ive stopped keeping track
[02:36]	phanes	yeah i wonder why
[02:36]	phanes	its almost like
[02:37]	phanes	there's a consistent pattern of something somewhere
[02:37]	matey	you should read pattersons VERY LONG article
[02:37]	phanes	mjg59_: what was your involvement in the appelbaum thing again?  i think we've talked about it before
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[02:37]	matey	i dont think shes in favour of wrongfully accusing anyone
[02:37]	matey	mistakenly accusing someone is another matter
[02:37]	phanes	matey: do you have a link to patterson's article on it
[02:37]	matey	i think she has a stallman-like integrity. but anyone can be mistaken.
[02:38]	matey	i will find you one
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[02:38]	britney	phanes, Jacob Appelbaum?
[02:39]	matey	very long. but one of my favourite articles
[02:39]	matey	https://medium.com/@maradydd/when-nerds-collide-31895b01e68c
[02:39]	TR Bot	Nerds Collide. My intersectionality will have weirdoes | by Meredith L. Patterson | Medium
[02:39]	matey	i dont think shes a cancel culture figure
[02:39]	matey	i could be wrong too
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[02:40]	phanes	britney: yes jacob appelbaum
[02:40]	matey	havent read this http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6642&cpage=1
[02:40]	TR Bot	 Meredith Pattersons valiant effort is probably doomed Armed and Dangerous
[02:40]	matey	dont even know what its about
[02:41]	mjg59_	phanes: Beyond calling a rapist a rapist? Nothing.
[02:41]	matey	https://techcrunch.com/2016/03/05/how-we-may-mesh/ I am reminded of Meredith Patterson's classic piece "When Nerds Collide: My intersectionality will have weirdos or it will be bullshit." I'll give her the last words here: Having a community they...
[02:41]	TR Bot	the war between hacker culture and codes of conduct TechCrunch
[02:41]	phanes	matey: my impression of patterson is "highly neurodivergent, was exploited for narrative building" but i dont have the facts yet and am still learning about it
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[02:41]	matey	then i think we concur, until we have more information
[02:42]	phanes	mjg59_: no, no, no, im talking about a conversation about inviting victims to come forward anonymously
[02:42]	phanes	didn't you personally talk to some of the victims and push the whole thing along?
[02:43]	phanes	i may have mixed two separate conversations in my memory
[02:45]	mjg59_	phanes: No?
[02:45]	phanes	didn't somebody confide in you and you encouraged them to organize or somehow facilitated a medium or something, i could swear you had, i'd have to check my logs
[02:46]	mjg59_	I'd recommend you not swear I did, because you're wrong
[02:46]	phanes	i give zero shits what you recommend
[02:47]	matey	didn't you personally talk to some of the victims and push the whole thing along? <- wait, i think i know what hes referring to
[02:47]	phanes	anyway, ill have to go log surfing on my old znc host and see if i can find what im trying to remember, it may have not even been you
[02:47]	matey	mjg i swear you told me you personally knew SOME of the victims in [some other rape victim story than this] and told me you talked to them
[02:47]	matey	fuck if i know which one it was though
[02:48]	matey	does that sound right?
[02:48]	mjg59_	matey: Oh, I know several of Jake's victims - but I only talked to them after these events
[02:48]	matey	thats gotta be it
[02:48]	mjg59_	And after everything was publicised
[02:48]	phanes	yeah for some reason that's not syncing right in my memory
[02:48]	matey	yeah
[02:48]	phanes	in terms of timing
[02:48]	phanes	ill have to validate in my old logs
[02:48]	mjg59_	Dunno sounds like you're defaming me here
[02:49]	phanes	it doesn't to me, and im the one with credibility
[02:49]	phanes	you have none
[02:50]	mjg59_	Says the guy who adopted a woman's identity to abuse people on the internet
[02:50]	phanes	you actually have negative credibility on things like this after last week
[02:50]	phanes	mjg59_: are you referring to this incident? https://www.abuseonline.org/database/Garrett,%20Matthew/2021-05-25/
[02:50]	TR Bot	 
[02:51]	phanes	see that's why you have credibility problems.  you use false light to wordsmith and its not doing you any favors
[02:51]	phanes	a statement designed to cast a false impression
[02:51]	phanes	it'll never work on me
[02:52]	phanes	and the sad part is
[02:52]	phanes	i think that may be all you have
[02:52]	phanes	in terms of executive capability
[02:52]	phanes	like
[02:52]	phanes	is there any part of your life that wasn't built on tearing someone down with statements crafted for that purpose?
[02:52]	phanes	i mean
[02:52]	phanes	look at me
[02:53]	phanes	i dont do that
[02:53]	mjg59_	I mean, that's not how I got any of my jobs
[02:53]	phanes	i worked hard for all of my stuff
[02:53]	phanes	not as high profile, admittedly, but its all rock solid earned
[02:53]	mjg59_	And I'm pretty sure that people don't date me based on me having said mean things to other people on the internet
[02:53]	mjg59_	And my hobbies don't involve any of this
[02:53]	mjg59_	So yeah
[02:53]	mjg59_	Pretty sure
[02:54]	phanes	so about that
[02:54]	phanes	have you dated anyone close to the peter todd accusations 
[02:55]	mjg59_	I'm engaged to the person he sued?
[02:56]	phanes	oh he sued her?  why?
[02:56]	mjg59_	Sorry, who are you talking about?
[02:56]	phanes	im not sure im tracking you right-- you dated someone that peter todd sued in the context of rape allegations against him?
[02:56]	mjg59_	Yes
[02:56]	phanes	oh wow
[02:56]	phanes	what a coincidence, who was that?
[02:56]	mjg59_	How many people has he sued?
[02:57]	mjg59_	I'm sure you're aware that the outcome of the case was that calling him a rapist was legitimate protected speach
[02:57]	phanes	only one that submitted a third party affadavid for a jane doe to avoid perjury liability and then used anti-slapp loopholes to avoid merit contests
[02:57]	phanes	*affadavit
[02:58]	mjg59_	"anti-slapp loopholes"?
[02:58]	mjg59_	I'm not sure that following the law is a loophole
[02:58]	mjg59_	Anti-slapp provisions don't alter whether anything is defamatory or not, they just allow cases to be thrown out if it's clear that the plaintiff won't win
[02:58]	phanes	exactly
[02:59]	phanes	so 
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[02:59]	phanes	there was no court filing that it was protected speech there, it was thrown out over anti-slapp precedents
[02:59]	phanes	wouldn't you agree with that?
[02:59]	mjg59_	Right, because it was protected speech
● Jul 18
[03:00]	mjg59_	The point of anti-slapp statutes is to ensure that protected speech can't be silenced using the legal system
[03:00]	phanes	i find it laughable that you think calling someone a rapist is protected speech
[03:00]	mjg59_	It's literally protected speech?
[03:00]	phanes	when it's true
[03:00]	phanes	im aware of what the intent of anti-slapp is
[03:00]	mjg59_	And there's sworn testimony that Todd raped someone
[03:01]	phanes	and it is not to provide blanket immunity for defamation
[03:02]	phanes	funny things happen in courtroom outcomes sometimes, i'm not familiar with the details of the case admittedly, i just know that the material accusation was never brough to contest and that the case was thrown out over some very technical precedents that probably would have been overturned in an appeal
[03:02]	phanes	is there sworn testimony of that?  I'd like to read it
[03:03]	phanes	testimony that wasn't anonymously submitted by a third party i mean
[03:03]	mjg59_	I literally pointed you at it earlier?
[03:03]	mjg59_	It was not anonymously submitted
[03:03]	mjg59_	The witness's identity was sealed
[03:03]	matey	/me wonders what todd did that makes him important enough to take down with false rape accusations (please note i am not implying validity or lack thereof regarding such accusations, as im completely unfamiliar with peter todd)
[03:03]	mjg59_	The court is aware of who was testifying
[03:03]	mjg59_	As was Todd
[03:04]	mjg59_	If the assertion that Todd was a rapist was not protected speech then his claim regarding him being referred to as a rapist would not have been thrown out
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[03:05]	phanes	sounds pretty technical
[03:05]	matey	ah, bitcoin
[03:06]	phanes	i disagree with the concept of anti-slapp measures but appreciate their sentiment.  to avoid challenging the merits of a case
[03:06]	phanes	i mean
[03:06]	phanes	it just feels like a circumvention of justice
[03:07]	phanes	a shield for the innocent certainly
[03:07]	phanes	a shield for the guilty as well
[03:09]	matey	Todd is suing a security researcher named Isis Lovecruft for defamation after Lovecruft publicly accused Todd of rape and harassment in a series of tweets. Lovecruft was also pivotal in the claims against Appelbaum. As Todd pushes to question her credibility, Appelbaum has become a source for testimony in the case.
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[03:09]	matey	source: https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/2/20895270/jacob-appelbaum-peter-todd-rape-allegations-defamation-bitcoin-tor
[03:09]	TR Bot	 A disgraced Tor developer has resurfaced to testify against one of his accusers - The Verge
[03:09]	phanes	apparently the defendant in this case had a dispute over Zcash with Todd right before the accusations
[03:09]	matey	so theres actually a very substantial connection between todd and appelbaum
[03:10]	phanes	yeah i need to read all of this a little closer soon
[03:10]	matey	its news to me
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[03:10]	matey	i dont think ive ever heard of peter todd before today (at least i dont recognise the name)
[03:10]	matey	i ignore cryptocurrency mostly.
[03:10]	matey	and bitcoin i ignore entirely
[03:10]	phanes	most of these are new names to me as well
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[03:11]	phanes	im not even sure what sarah was even notable for, wasn't she on the tor project or something
[03:13]	phanes	maybe something in algo
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[03:17]	phanes	i think he may be telling the truth about the witness being identified to the court and having their name sealed from the public record 
[03:17]	matey	i disagree with the concept of anti-slapp measures but appreciate their sentiment. <- without them, microsoft could just sue any person that said something they didnt like
[03:18]	matey	and the person would have to fight it, at great expense
[03:18]	matey	and techrights would not exist
[03:18]	matey	techrights would DEFINITELY not exist
[03:18]	phanes	matey: oh for org->person contests, yeah, totally get it, but for person->person contests, i think the merits of the case being tried is a pivotal concept of why we even have courts and that removing that with anti-slapp makes the court system more useless
[03:19]	matey	i can appreciate the distinction
[03:19]	matey	though if i say ballmer did x at microsoft...
[03:19]	matey	hes one of the ten richest people on earth
[03:19]	phanes	if its a person suing a person, a judge needs to settle the issue on the merits of the case and thats why we use courts in a civilization instead of frontier justice
[03:20]	matey	and thats why we use courts in a civilization instead of frontier justice <- you must have seen a bunch of lawyers working for the common good that i didnt know existed
[03:20]	phanes	most lawyers i know are incredible human beings with unquestionable integrity, who i would trust my life with
[03:21]	matey	i dont think anti-slapp prevents legitimate cases from being heard
[03:21]	matey	it i think it prevents bogus cases from being weaponised
[03:21]	matey	(some of them)
[03:22]	matey	bullshit patents are still filed and weaponised, but alice limits what they can do 
[03:22]	matey	antislapp laws are like the defamation version of alice (imo)
[03:23]	matey	in this context i can see how you would be against them
[03:23]	matey	and tbh i havent seen them in this context before
[03:24]	phanes	ive also met a couple lawyers who were turds of human beings, to append my earlier statement
[03:24]	matey	so my overall impression of them as an overall good is unscathed-- for now
[03:24]	mjg59_	The point of anti-slapp is to allow defamation cases that stand no chance of prevailing to be thrown out before there's a hugely expensive trial
[03:24]	matey	right
[03:24]	mjg59_	The accusations are considered in court
[03:24]	mjg59_	It doesn't bypass the court
[03:24]	phanes	that's the intent anyway
[03:24]	phanes	it does, it removes a contest of material facts of the case
[03:24]	phanes	tangent point, we dont have to agree on it
[03:25]	matey	wouldnt defamation materials be included in the argument itself 
[03:25]	matey	this isnt a murder trial with dna samples
[03:26]	phanes	mjg59_: who was the owner of the appelbaum website btw?
[03:27]	AdmFubar	this must make RMS go, WTF?  https://torrentfreak.com/research-suggests-that-software-piracy-lowers-poverty-220717/
[03:27]	TR Bot	Suggests That Software Piracy Lowers Poverty * TorrentFreak
[03:27]	matey	A former not-for-profit which supported women in open technology and culture through events, codes of conduct, and ally skills training
[03:27]	matey	is there a postmortem on the ada initiative?
[03:28]	phanes	matey: i dont have one but would like the bookmark, i need to do some social nodal analysis on this forming cluster of movers as they all seem to have strong associations and low betweenness centrality
[03:28]	matey	The Ada Initiative was a non-profit organization that sought to increase women's participation in the free culture movement, open source technology and open culture. The organization was founded in 2011 by Linux kernel developer and open source advocate Valerie Aurora and open source developer and advocate Mary Gardiner
[03:29]	matey	thats wikipedia
[03:29]	matey	the previous quote was from the ada initiative homepage (still online)
[03:29]	phanes	yeah i would avoid wikipedia for finding incriminating details as they are super biased
[03:29]	phanes	especially with this kind of thing and these specific people
[03:29]	matey	thats not what im using them fore
[03:30]	matey	According to the announcement, the Initiative's executive leadership decided to step down, and the organization was unable to find acceptable replacement leaders.
[03:30]	matey	i take biases into account
[03:30]	matey	columbo didnt only talk to people he trusted
[03:30]	matey	he talked to people who were frequently lying about not killing someone
[03:30]	matey	some of the best clues are from people who are utterly full of shit
[03:30]	phanes	lol
[03:31]	matey	so wikipedia is a goldmine
[03:31]	matey	either way
[03:32]	phanes	mjg59_: what was your dissertation on?
[03:33]	matey	The Ada Initiative was governed by a seven-person board of directors, who oversaw its management. The board included co-founder Mary Gardiner, Sue Gardner, Amelia Greenhall, Rachel Chalmers, Alicia Gibb, Andrea Horbinski and Marina Zhurakhinskaya.
[03:33]	matey	(of these, only chalmers signed the anti-rms list)
[03:34]	matey	understanding free software history is one of the few keys to its future
[03:34]	matey	and this is a very key event
[03:34]	matey	its hardly the only important thing going on
[03:34]	matey	the rebuilding is at least as important
[03:34]	phanes	id really like to see if there's any validation to eric's claims there
[03:35]	matey	eric who/where
[03:35]	phanes	eric raymond
[03:35]	phanes	esr
[03:35]	matey	oh, i dont much much stock in him
[03:35]	matey	what claim?
[03:35]	phanes	he was very credible at one point
[03:35]	matey	maybe
[03:36]	matey	but what claim?
[03:36]	phanes	he reported very loudly around i think 2016 or so about Ada Initiative staff engaging in honeypot operations trying to entrap key f/oss figures
[03:36]	matey	oh that
[03:37]	matey	i wouldnt be surprised if that sort of thing happens
[03:37]	phanes	i dont know him to make things up
[03:37]	phanes	if he says that it means at least that he believes it
[03:37]	matey	as to whether the ada initiative had anything to do with it, i dont know much about them
[03:37]	matey	i consider his beliefs to be muddled and self-serving
[03:37]	matey	with that said, its a story / claim im interested in 
[03:38]	matey	regardless of who it comes from
[03:38]	matey	does anyone other than esr know anything about it? 
[03:39]	matey	or is he the sole whistleblower?
[03:39]	phanes	i dont know
[03:39]	matey	i find the attacks on torvalds in particular to be very plausible
[03:39]	matey	i dont like torvalds at all, but it wasnt about torvalds (and its not about stallman)
[03:40]	phanes	there's a trillion reasons a year to target tarvolds
[03:40]	matey	stallman was attacked to hobble the entire movement
[03:40]	phanes	yeah that shit was transparent
[03:40]	matey	there's a trillion reasons a year to target tarvolds <- nah, hes just a dick
[03:40]	phanes	he is a dick
[03:40]	matey	torvalds was attacked to replace tso with gkh
[03:41]	matey	or maybe not-- but thats been my opinion for years
[03:41]	phanes	if you gathered the mightiest dicks for a dickiest dick competition he'd get a medal
[03:41]	matey	he would be a runner up
[03:41]	matey	gkh is a bigger dick
[03:41]	phanes	yeah like maybe 4th
[03:41]	matey	so is jim zemlin
[03:41]	matey	maybe even esr but i think esr is just nuts (first) dick (second)
[03:41]	phanes	what i appreciate about tarvolds dickishness is how nonprejudiced its application is
[03:41]	matey	nuts as in crazy, despite its proximity to dick in a line of text
[03:42]	matey	yeah torvalds had some level of fairness to his dickishness
[03:42]	phanes	im not sure
[03:42]	matey	i didnt start calling him a dick until his dickishness became one-sided
[03:42]	matey	im not sure either
[03:42]	phanes	eric is a serious bastard
[03:42]	phanes	but i dont think he's crazy or a liar
[03:43]	matey	i think he wants to be seen as that
[03:43]	phanes	angry for sure
[03:43]	matey	i dont know if he lies per se
[03:43]	phanes	that dude could cook dinner with his anger
[03:47]	matey	https://www.abuseonline.org/database/secondary-actors/Patterson,%20Meredith/start_notes.md <- SUPER interesting
[03:47]	TR Bot	 
[03:48]	matey	while i know enough people that think applebaum is guilty, too many to rule out the plausibility
[03:48]	matey	i consider that hes high profile and someone that corporations might want to take down
[03:49]	matey	someone breaking up a consensual makeout session because of the look on someones face is practically (non-sexual) assault
[03:49]	matey	if not literally
[03:49]	mjg59_	phanes: I have no idea who ran the website, I wasn't involved
[03:50]	mjg59_	phanes: "Comparative genomic analysis as a tool for locating novel functional elements in D. melanogaster"
[03:50]	matey	i dont assume this has any bearing on the whole of the appelbaum situation
[03:50]	matey	rather its the most interesting facet of it ive seen
[03:50]	matey	by interesting i mean intriguing, unusual
[03:52]	matey	So I watched this for about two to three minutes and then I decide to go and do something and just mount a very very subtle intervention. Which is, I go over, I shake Jakes hand I tell him what a great job hes doing with the Tor project <- breaking up an intense makeout session isnt TOO subtle
[03:52]	matey	even if i had hardcore fans id expect them not to interrupt something like that to shake my hand
[03:54]	matey	I recall Tan approaching me, asking me if Jacob was harassing me. I said he wasnt. Nevertheless, Tan dragged me away and immediately started talking intensely to Jake. At that point I decided to leave, since my friend was waiting for me.
[03:54]	matey	given the sheer number of stories about this
[03:55]	matey	i can easily see how this wouldnt do anything to prove his innocence or cast doubt on guilt
[03:55]	DaemonFC	The whole country is falling apart while Brandon argues in court over transgender bathroom laws.
[03:55]	matey	but it might prove how zealous some people are to police the (consensual) actions of others
[03:55]	DaemonFC	The Democrats are going to get a total wipeout this year.
[03:56]	matey	And the other males who we were with were basically just kind of joking amongst themselves and dont really seem to see anything wrong with it, which is really quite distressing <- yeah well
[03:56]	matey	they hadnt spent the past three minutes watching two people make out
[03:56]	DaemonFC	People see this shit going on and it becomes 100% obvious that we've got a president that doesn't give a fuck about them and wouldn't know how to fix any of these problems even if he did.
[03:56]	matey	so why would they be distressed?
[03:57]	matey	it was so obvious that this was an assault in progress that everyone should just be like OMG, WTF
[03:58]	matey	and then maybe forcibly pull him away like andy dick by talk show security (which probably was justified)
[03:59]	DaemonFC	https://wgntv.com/news/national/ap-us-news/2-killed-in-shooting-at-indiana-mall-many-hurt-police-say/
[03:59]	TR Bot	 Chief: 3 dead in Indiana mall shooting; witness kills gunman | WGN-TV
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[03:59]	matey	andy dicks boundaries are so bad they probably shouldnt let him on a set without an electric shock belt or something
[03:59]	DaemonFC	An armed citizen shot and killed the gunman before he could kill more people.
[03:59]	matey	"you guys be VERY NICE to my GOOD FRIEND andy dick"-- snoop letting his bodyguards know that andy dick wasnt welcome to bother him further
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[04:00]	matey	 (which probably was justified) <- this is generous, i think he was rubbing the leg of the daughter of the president or something
[04:01]	matey	i dont think they planned this, but who knows
[04:05]	matey	note this was written in 2014 https://techcrunch.com/2014/07/12/the-great-fragmentation-we-are-all-weirdos-now/
[04:05]	TR Bot	Great Fragmentation: We Are All Weirdos Now TechCrunch
[04:05]	matey	in the short term, way too optimistic
[04:05]	matey	in the long term, who knows
[04:06]	matey	Everyone always talks about that kind of polarization in terms of left-wing vs. right-wing politics, loss of civility, doom of society, etc etc etc. But a far more interesting corollary, if you ask me, is this: all those quirky little Internet subcommunities and subreddits to which people increasingly belong? The polarization effect means that they will just keep getting quirkier and more idiosyncratic.
[04:06]	matey	^ i agree
[04:06]	matey	In other words, as a direct result of technology, our entire society will, slowly but steadily, become weirder and more fragmented.
[04:06]	matey	^ this has maybe already happened
[04:06]	matey	Dismayed? Dont be. This is excellent news. 
[04:06]	matey	^ he could be way off
[04:07]	matey	another possibility is this destroys society for good
[04:07]	matey	it probably wont, but i wouldnt be too optimistic, too soon
[04:07]	matey	for the short term, i dont think society is too coherent
[04:07]	DaemonFC	https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-police-officer-suicide-hotline-officers-commit-prevention/12057763/?ex_cid=TA_WLS_FB&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+New+Content+%28Feed%29&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook
[04:07]	TR Bot	 Chicago police officer suicide: 3rd cop dies from self-inflicted gunshot wound in wave of suicides within CPD - ABC7 Chicago
[04:07]	DaemonFC	Three in a month this month.
[04:07]	matey	even friends seem... less like friends
[04:08]	matey	there are exceptions to this, just fewer of them than before
[04:09]	matey	if everyone is at war with everyone over everything, that just means weve engineered a planet of narcissistic tyrants
[04:09]	matey	though i consider this more of a hazard than a conclusion
[04:10]	matey	Given a choice between
[04:10]	matey	    the de facto cultural tyranny of a genuine mainstream majority
[04:10]	matey	a society in which people accept that, for any given context, its mainstream will be a plurality rather than a majority, and adjust their behavior and expectation accordingly
[04:10]	matey	those arent the only choices
[04:10]	matey	how about a countless number of little petty tyrannies?
[04:10]	matey	why is he not considering that possibility (thats what most of the internet and all of twitter seems like now)
[04:12]	matey	note im not saying lets go back to de facto cultural tyranny
[04:12]	matey	i always found that boring, and its still boring
[04:12]	matey	but countless petty tyrannies isnt interesting, just annoying
[04:12]	matey	mosquitoes buzzing in your ear and having to swat them constantly isnt "interesting"
[04:12]	matey	at least not to me
[04:13]	matey	i did like the title though
[04:19]	matey	https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/todd-rokita-child-rape-abortion-case-1383138/
[04:19]	TR Bot	 Conservatives Respond to Child Rape Arrest by Vilifying Doctors - Rolling Stone
[04:19]	matey	insane country is insane
[04:20]	matey	she only had to travel to indiana because ohio made it too difficult for a raped 10 year old to get abortion there.
[04:20]	DaemonFC	https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/w1djky/the_uk_is_about_to_see_the_highest_ever_recorded/
[04:20]	TR Bot	 The UK is about to see the highest ever recorded temperatures and 'Don't Look Up' is essentially playing out in the media : LateStageCapitalism
[04:20]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2]'s country and global warming denial.
[04:22]	DaemonFC	It's nice to see they basically have their own Fox News thing going on.
[04:22]	DaemonFC	"But what about that hot summer in 1976?"
[04:24]	DaemonFC	He's over there talking about thousands of people in the UK dying of excess heat and she's over there grinning like a moron and playing pop music so you can't even hear the guy talk.
[04:28]	phanes	it is absolutely shameful they didn't allow exceptions in those trigger laws
[04:29]	DaemonFC	<matey> she only had to travel to indiana because ohio made it too difficult for a raped 10 year old to get abortion there.
[04:29]	phanes	at least for rape, incest, mental/physical health of the mother, deformities
[04:29]	DaemonFC	And in a couple of weeks, Indiana will ban it too.
[04:29]	DaemonFC	Then you'll have to make it to Illinois if your uncle rapes you and gets you pregnant and you're 10.
[04:31]	DaemonFC	Then, the next time the Republicans have full control of the federal government, they'll just ban abortion nationally and you'll have to go to Canada.
[04:32]	DaemonFC	3 weeks after saying abortion should be a state and local issue, the Republicans in the House unveiled a bill that would ban abortion everywhere in the country.
[04:32]	matey	at least
[04:32]	matey	The agency already has methods for speedily approving new vaccine formulations. After all, it signs off on fresh flu vaccines every year without a top-to-bottom review process, Mokdad pointed out.  https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/covid-omicron-ba5-cdc-fda-fail-1383887/
[04:32]	TR Bot	 BA.5 Covid-19 Omicron Variant: How FDA, CDC Are Failing Us - Rolling Stone
[04:33]	matey	i thought this line was particularly interesting: " it signs off on fresh flu vaccines every year without a top-to-bottom review process"
[04:33]	DaemonFC	That's because the process for making a new flu vaccine doesn't change much year to year.
[04:34]	phanes	man
[04:34]	phanes	why aren't the amish communities wiped out completely by covid
[04:34]	phanes	they barely took a hit
[04:35]	matey	another good one https://techcrunch.com/2016/03/05/how-we-may-mesh/
[04:35]	TR Bot	the war between hacker culture and codes of conduct TechCrunch
[04:35]	matey	 why aren't the amish communities wiped out completely by covid <- interesting question
[04:35]	phanes	theyre asa antivax as it gets
[04:36]	phanes	*they're as antivax as it gets
[04:37]	matey	https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-amish-idUSL2N2NZ1TY
[04:37]	TR Bot	Check-Amish communities have been affected by the COVID-19 pandemic | Reuters
[04:37]	matey	we are talking about something that kills what, about 1% if that?
[04:38]	phanes	i assume they're all like "oh, jebediah passed on at 104 the other day an he had covid" and the news is like "GLOBAL DEATHS IN AMISH COMMUNITY UP 125%"
[04:38]	phanes	those people are so healthy its stupid
[04:39]	matey	there are about 350,000 amish, i guess
[04:39]	matey	so if it killed 1% of them-- which is an alarmist estimate i believe
[04:39]	matey	that would be 3500 out of 350000
[04:41]	phanes	theyre also starting to report herd immunity
[04:41]	matey	they also believe in jesus
[04:41]	matey	which is fine with me, but its not terribly scientific
[04:41]	phanes	i'd consider an amish life if it wasn't so much damned hard work
[04:42]	matey	the damned hard work is the point
[04:42]	matey	youre expected to be modest in everything
[04:42]	phanes	sure i'd live 30 years longer but i'd spend that 30 years building barns in the hot frickin' sun with no a/c
[04:42]	matey	you think amish live 30 years longer?
[04:43]	phanes	they dont by trend
[04:44]	phanes	i smoke a pack a day and eat trans fats yo
[04:44]	matey	who is what
[04:44]	matey	stackexchange?
[04:45]	matey	The current life expectancy of members of the Old Order Amish community is about 72 years, nearly the same as the life expectancy of the average American. Nearly, that is, except for two significant differences. First, among the Amish, the 72-year life expectancy is for men and women, while in the general population women tend to outlive men by about seven years.
[04:45]	matey	Second, the Amish have had a 72-year life expectancy not only for the past few decades, as have most Americans, but for the last 300 yearssince they settled in the United States in the 1700s, when most people living in America were dying in their 40s.
[04:45]	matey	i dont think you know me, we did talk about a year or so ago
[04:45]	matey	briefly, and i dont know what handle i used at the time
[04:46]	DaemonFC	https://twitter.com/CryptoParadyme/status/1547088449022222336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1547088449022222336%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theverge.com%2F2022%2F7%2F14%2F23216415%2Fsouth-park-crypto-paramount-plus-streaming-wars-part-2
[04:46]	TR Bot	New South Park movie aired tonight. They made fun of Matt Damon selling out for Crypto and uh well https://t.co/FTIXSbRRbL
[04:46]	TR Bot	New South Park movie aired tonight. They made fun of Matt Damon selling out for Crypto and uh well https://t.co/FTIXSbRRbL
[04:47]	AdmFubar	some amish/Mennonites have more modern conveniences. just depends what subgroups you are in
[04:47]	phanes	i just dont want to do manual labor
[04:47]	matey	im fine with manual labour
[04:47]	matey	but not in the quantities the amish do it :)
[04:47]	AdmFubar	just be one of the clergy then
[04:47]	phanes	i also dont want to get treated weird every time my beard gets itchy and i trim it
[04:48]	AdmFubar	>^_^<
[04:48]	phanes	i also couldn't give up
[04:48]	phanes	fraternization
[04:48]	matey	different sects have different expectations
[04:48]	matey	fraternization <- hey yeah
[04:48]	matey	so dont become amish, mormon, jw...
[04:48]	AdmFubar	personally I'd avoid the inbreeding....
[04:49]	matey	obviously catholic is fine :)
[04:49]	phanes	eh
[04:49]	matey	they fraternise so much its a wonder theres any left for the rest of us
[04:49]	phanes	depends on what youre willing to put up with and what kind of catholic
[04:49]	matey	doesnt it though
[04:49]	phanes	mexican catholic, you bet
[04:50]	phanes	id wife up
[04:50]	matey	for someone who likes air conditioning you keep running away from it
[04:50]	matey	no i figure they must have it or theyd all be dead by now
[04:51]	phanes	lol
[04:52]	matey	I was on a tour that visited an Amish community a few years back. They had a wood-furniture-making business. In addition to the Amish, there was one non-Amish man working there, so there was his one car parked outside. They remarked that this was convenient in case they had to rush someone to the hospital.
[04:52]	matey	using a car is fine
[04:52]	matey	owning one is immodest
[04:52]	matey	thats the difference
[04:54]	AdmFubar	some own cars
[04:54]	AdmFubar	it is really weird seeing them with cell phones
[04:54]	phanes	man i am really not looking forward to all the distracting drama that guy is going to cause dropping what he thinks is a nuke, that does absolutely nothing to further his cause and hardens my resolve leaving me perfectly fine
[04:55]	phanes	they all do this same pattern
[04:55]	AdmFubar	and then there are the teenagers with the high powered stereos in their buggies
[04:56]	phanes	and it will end with him careening in a bitter rage saying anything he thinks sounds cool to try to cover it up for the rest of his life instead of just being a grownup for an hour one saturday and all of us moving on
[04:56]	matey	i missed the line before that one
[04:56]	matey	it will show up in five minutes if you dont care to repeat it
[04:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 30.35 k/sec., IPFS upstream 27.00 average k/sec., average swarm size 314.40
[04:59]	phanes	i love amish made food and furniture
[04:59]	phanes	expensive though
[04:59]	matey	havent had amish food
[04:59]	phanes	like 25k for an exec desk 
[04:59]	matey	their furniture is impressive
[04:59]	phanes	solid too
[04:59]	matey	but what do you expect from people that can put up a barn in a day, and it wont be a piece of shit
● Jul 18
[05:00]	phanes	i bought my dog from an amish breeder
[05:00]	phanes	when he was like 6 weeks old
[05:00]	matey	can you hire amish people to build you a barn? that seems way more convenient than getting contractors
[05:01]	matey	you pay all at once and voila, its up
[05:01]	phanes	prob not affordably
[05:01]	matey	its not something i considered
[05:01]	matey	it would be cool to watch though
[05:02]	phanes	plus i dont think theyd find us particularly hospitable
[05:02]	phanes	when the men go to work in amish communities for a barn raising the wives put out a table with drinks and make a big meal for everybody
[05:02]	matey	that sounds reasonable
[05:03]	matey	expensive, but reasonable
[05:03]	phanes	when's the last time you laid out an accomodations table for a plumber or handyman
[05:03]	matey	whens the last time either one put up a whole fucking barn in a single day?
[05:03]	phanes	theyre big burly dudes too they'll drink gallons of lemonade
[05:03]	matey	im not saying theyre useless
[05:04]	phanes	reminds me of tall dwarves
[05:04]	matey	i get what youre saying
[05:04]	matey	but if i could afford a barn id look into what it cost to have the amish do it
[05:04]	matey	and if they expect to be fed, thats not unreasonable
[05:04]	phanes	if i could afford a farm i'd leave IT and none of you would ever hear my name again
[05:05]	matey	arent you in ohio? or was that someone else in here
[05:05]	phanes	yeah im in ohio
[05:05]	matey	how much does a farm go for?
[05:05]	phanes	a successful one?  about a million
[05:05]	matey	i can see how you dont have that stored away
[05:05]	matey	the line came in 
[05:05]	matey	they all do this same pattern 
[05:06]	matey	and it will end with him careening in a bitter rage saying anything he thinks sounds cool to try to cover it up for the rest of his life instead of just being a grownup for an hour one saturday and all of us moving on
[05:06]	phanes	yeah, that dude
[05:06]	matey	which one?
[05:06]	phanes	all ego and no brains
[05:06]	phanes	garrett
[05:07]	phanes	he's got some nuclear plan he's working on he thinks i dont know about
[05:07]	matey	he doesnt seem like the bitter rage type tbh
[05:07]	phanes	oh, he will
[05:07]	matey	but maybe he hides it
[05:07]	phanes	narcissists follow common patterns
[05:07]	matey	agreed
[05:07]	phanes	he'll drop his nuke and laugh for a few days while the content integrates his development
[05:08]	phanes	i'll have a bunch of drama for a bit that will end with me being better off than before he started
[05:08]	phanes	and then he'll get sulking
[05:08]	phanes	and that's when the really bizarre accusations will come out
[05:08]	matey	im looking at this as a group dynamic
[05:08]	DaemonFC	https://abc7chicago.com/san-francisco-ca-parking-violation-us-army-aerial-view/12057255/
[05:08]	TR Bot	 Parking violation: US Army aerial view expert helped San Francisco, CA couple park in driveway again after threat of $1.5K fine - ABC7 Chicago
[05:09]	DaemonFC	Easier to just sell the place, leave, and move to America.
[05:09]	matey	there may be exceptions, but there are still rules, as you say
[05:09]	phanes	he's going to go around to literally anyone he can find who would say something about me and then start socializing the old smears of people just like him that i want to document
[05:09]	matey	dont take this the wrong way
[05:09]	DaemonFC	San Francisco is a bunch of artsy fartsy snobs stepping in homeless people poop.
[05:09]	DaemonFC	That's really all it is.
[05:09]	matey	have you considered the possibility that youre not important enough to him
[05:10]	phanes	oh im sure there's an element of discount, positive, 100%
[05:10]	phanes	nevertheless he'll scan it every day for the next 10 years just like he does this place
[05:10]	matey	theres a plausible reason why he does that here
[05:11]	phanes	he thinks he's being treated unfairly because he's not used to being held accountable
[05:11]	phanes	so he's scanning for that magic nugget he can use for a serotonin boost and "win"
[05:12]	phanes	as for the tactics, i can't talk about that here because he'll alter his pattern if he knows im predicting him
[05:13]	matey	he might not
[05:13]	DaemonFC	https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-37-WebUI-Install-Preview
[05:13]	TR Bot	37 Hopes To Have A Preview Of The New Web-Based Install UI - Phoronix
[05:13]	DaemonFC	There's nothing wrong with the way Anaconda looks or functions now.
[05:13]	phanes	web based install ui
[05:13]	phanes	wtf
[05:13]	phanes	why would someone use that
[05:13]	matey	i dunno, who does?
[05:14]	phanes	netinstall, sure, smaller image
[05:14]	matey	have you looked at the source code for libre.js?
[05:14]	phanes	no i avoid js anything almost
[05:15]	phanes	im waiting for that entire ecosystem to collapse
[05:15]	DaemonFC	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BIOSBootISOWithGrub2
[05:15]	TR Bot	 Changes/BIOSBootISOWithGrub2 - Fedora Project Wiki
[05:16]	DaemonFC	syslinux never failed to handle any "legacy" BIOS system I've seen.
[05:16]	DaemonFC	Not sure why to ditch it now if GRUB2 doesn't always handle such systems properly.
[05:16]	matey	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/librejs.git/tree/build.sh
[05:16]	TR Bot	 build.sh - librejs.git - LibreJS
[05:16]	matey	JASMINE_URL="https://github.com/jasmine/jasmine/releases/download/v$JASMINE_VER/jasmine-standalone-$JASMINE_VER.zip"
[05:16]	matey	  curl -L -o "$JASMINE_LIB.zip" "$JASMINE_URL" && unzip -d test/ $JASMINE_LIB.zip lib/**
[05:16]	TR Bot	( status 404 @ https://github.com/jasmine/jasmine/releases/download/v$JASMINE_VER/jasmine-standalone-$JASMINE_VER.zip )
[05:16]	matey	  rm -f "$JASMINE_LIB.zip"
[05:16]	phanes	they need to maintream a couple grub alternatives
[05:17]	matey	i think you vastly overestimate the power they have left
[05:17]	matey	if you mean the fsf or gnu
[05:18]	DaemonFC	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Drop_i686_JDKs
[05:18]	TR Bot	 Changes/Drop i686 JDKs - Fedora Project Wiki
[05:18]	DaemonFC	User experience on multilib systems will be bad. Bad reasonable. 
[05:18]	matey	couldnt they at least mirror jasmine on their local git? rather than trusting microsoft?
[05:18]	DaemonFC	Bad good. Like bad.
[05:18]	DaemonFC	MinceR, ^
[05:18]	DaemonFC	Like bad on Twitter! GRRRRRRRR!!!!!
[05:18]	matey	especially given what microsoft has done to raspbian
[05:18]	phanes	i like the pig logo
[05:19]	phanes	shit im too tired
[05:19]	phanes	night yall
[05:21]	matey	 o/
[05:23]	DaemonFC	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EncourageI686LeafRemoval
[05:23]	TR Bot	 Changes/EncourageI686LeafRemoval - Fedora Project Wiki
[05:24]	DaemonFC	The regional governors now have direct control over their territories. The last remnants of the Republic have been swept away!
[05:34]	AdmFubar	https://restofworld.org/2022/newsletter-south-asia-india-data-evidence-of-dissent/
[05:34]	TR Bot	 In India, your payment data could become evidence of dissent - Rest of World
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[06:30]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[06:46]	TR News	#HowTo Install LibreWolf Browser on Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167356
[06:46]	TR Bot	 How to Install LibreWolf Browser on Linux | Tux Machines
[06:47]	TR News	#Techrights Bulletin for Sunday, July 17, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
[06:47]	TR Bot	 Bulletin Archives
[06:47]	TR News	#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
[06:47]	TR Bot	 Techrights Full IPFS Index
[06:55]	TR News	One forecast tells me tomorrow it'll be 40 degrees here -- an all-time record AFAIK, but 2 other forecasts/sources do not agree
[06:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.10 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.58 average k/sec., average swarm size 228.15
● Jul 18
[07:07]	TR News	"The US is not ok, and it hasn't been for a long, long time. Given its history, it has never been ok. But this is different. Now it is fracturing, and the seismic disturbances continue a-pace." gemini://the-brannons.com/us-not-ok/
[07:08]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D295.jpg
[07:08]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D646.jpg
[07:08]	TR News	Unconditional Basic Income gemini://gemini.hitchhiker-linux.org/gemlog/re:_unconditional_basic_income.gmi
[07:09]	TR News	Ocarina of Time Feels Like a New Game gemini://moddedbear.xyz/logs/2022-07-17-ocarina-of-time-feels-like-a-new-game.gmi
[07:09]	TR News	Acceptable gemini://josias.dev/notion/acceptable.gmi
[07:10]	TR News	Keyboarding Education gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1080
[07:11]	TR News	"I installed FreshRSS last night (it wasn't entirely straightforward for someone who hasn't dealt with php installs in ages) and I gotta say it already blows Feedly out of the water." gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-07-18-self-hosting-feed-reader.gmi
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[07:23]	TR News	Apple 5G device sales blocked in Colombia due to patent issue https://itwire.com/mobility/apple-5g-device-sales-blocked-in-colombia-due-to-patent-issue.html
[07:23]	TR Bot	- Apple 5G device sales blocked in Colombia due to patent issue
[07:25]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167357
[07:25]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
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[07:34]	TR News	That Time I Helped a Sad Drunkard gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-07-18-that-time-i-helped-a-sad-drunkard.gmi
[07:34]	TR News	"I feel too much, sometimes. Right now my wife and I are both away from home, and while I know our cat is well-cared-for, she misses us and she doesn't know why we're gone. I just wish I could explain it to her." gemini://november.smol.pub/empathy
[07:35]	TR News	"Alexis' ownership of X is based on ongoing mutual informed consent, in the context of Risk-Aware Consensual Kink. Nothing in this Title Deed should be interpreted otherwise." gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/users/flexibeast/gemlog/2022-07-18.gmi
[07:44]	TR News	"Josh and Kurt talk about PyPI mandating two factor authentication for the top 1% of projects. It feels like a simple idea, but its not when you start to think about it. What problems does 2FA solve? How common are these attacks?" https://opensourcesecurity.io/2022/07/17/episode-332-pypi-2fa-or-not-2fa-that-is-the-question/
[07:44]	TR Bot	 Episode 332 PyPI: 2FA or not 2FA, that is the question Open Source Security
[07:45]	TR News	"We try and bust a common Linux distro myth. Then what surprised Chris about his new Steam Deck." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/149267/all-hands-on-deck-linux-unplugged-467/
[07:45]	TR Bot	 All Hands on Deck | LINUX Unplugged 467 | Jupiter Broadcasting
[07:47]	TR News	Linus Torvalds says Linux kernel has addressed Retbleed http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167349#comment-34378
[07:47]	TR Bot	 Linux 5.19-rc7 | Tux Machines
[07:49]	TR News	Audiocasts/Shows/Videos: LINUX Unplugged, Open Source Security, and GNU World Order Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167358
[07:50]	TR Bot	 Audiocasts/Shows/Videos: LINUX Unplugged, Open Source Security, and GNU World Order | Tux Machines
[07:52]	TR News	EasyOS Dunfell-series 4.2.7 released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167359
[07:52]	TR Bot	 EasyOS Dunfell-series 4.2.7 released | Tux Machines
[07:57]	TR News	RISC-V based ICE-V Wireless board includes a Lattice ICE40 UltraPlus FPGA https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-based-ice-v-wireless-board-includes-a-lattice-ice40-ultraplus-fpga/ Source: LinuxGizmos | Hardware | Devices | GNU | Linux
[07:57]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-based-ice-v-wireless-board-includes-a-lattice-ice40-ultraplus-fpga/ )
[07:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.10 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.58 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
● Jul 18
[08:01]	DaemonFC	https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/africans-speak-out-against-the-mass-circumcision-campaign-300370353.html
[08:01]	TR Bot	 Africans Speak Out Against the Mass Circumcision Campaign
[08:01]	DaemonFC	Gate Foundation
[08:01]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2], ^
[08:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	sounds like old news
[08:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	maybe Gates should also promote FGM all across africa
[08:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	inc. for christian girls
[08:06]	DaemonFC	:)
[08:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	something about having complete control over the genitals of young people
[08:06]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2], Stallman still saying the Fed shouldn't raise rates.
[08:06]	DaemonFC	The reason inflation is out of control is largely due to the moral hazards of cheap money.
[08:06]	DaemonFC	They should have raised rates sooner.
[08:07]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz[TR2]> something about having complete control over the genitals of young people
[08:07]	DaemonFC	It's not that there's no value in getting circumcised.
[08:08]	DaemonFC	It's just such a small risk reduction for HIV that the money would be better spent on something else.
[08:09]	TR News	IRL: Online Life is Real Life http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167358#comment-34379
[08:09]	TR Bot	 Audiocasts/Shows/Videos: LINUX Unplugged, Open Source Security, and GNU World Order | Tux Machines
[08:11]	DaemonFC	I like how people like my mom use HIV risk reduction to justify it now.
[08:11]	DaemonFC	When I was born, HIV had been known to medical science for about two years.
[08:11]	DaemonFC	Nobody had studied ways to reduce risk of getting it.
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[08:19]	TR News	IRC Proceedings: Sunday, July 17, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/irc-log-170722/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/irc-log-170722/
[08:19]	TR Bot	 IRC Proceedings: Sunday, July 17, 2022 | Techrights
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[08:23]	TR News	As I See It: Pass The Chips - IT Jungle https://www.itjungle.com/2022/07/18/as-i-see-it-pass-the-chips-2/ Source: itjungle | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.itjungle.com/2022/07/18/as-i-see-it-pass-the-chips-2/
[08:23]	TR Bot	 As I See It: Pass The Chips - IT Jungle
[08:24]	britney	ok so I got windows 3.11 on the internet via dosbox-x
[08:24]	britney	https://imgur.com/a/jnzhdMo
[08:24]	TR Bot	The magic of the Internet
[08:24]	britney	mIRC 16-bit lol
[08:29]	TR News	GeckoSpy: Pegasus Spyware Used Against Thailands Pro-Democracy Movement - The Citizen Lab https://citizenlab.ca/2022/07/geckospy-pegasus-spyware-used-against-thailands-pro-democracy-movement/ Source: citizenlab | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//citizenlab.ca/2022/07/geckospy-pegasus-spyware-used-against-thailands-pro-democracy-movement/
[08:29]	TR Bot	 GeckoSpy: Pegasus Spyware Used Against Thailands Pro-Democracy Movement - The Citizen Lab
[08:38]	TR News	9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: July 17th, 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167360
[08:38]	TR Bot	 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: July 17th, 2022 | Tux Machines
[08:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	britney: you use it now?
[08:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	like, your actual session?
[08:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	I wonder how windows 3.x deals with ircv3
[08:38]	britney	lol not here no
[08:39]	britney	i was bored so i was messing around with dosbox-x
[08:39]	britney	16-bit mIRC is connected to Dalnet
[08:39]	TR News	Garuda 220717 is out https://forum.garudalinux.org/c/announcements/16
[08:39]	TR Bot	 Announcements - Garuda Linux Forum
[08:40]	TR News	DEBIX Model A - A Raspberry Pi-inspired NXP i.MX 8M Plus SBC for AI applications - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/07/18/debix-model-a-a-raspberry-pi-inspired-nxp-i-mx-8m-plus-sbc-for-ai-applications/ Source: Linux | GNU | Hardware | cnxsoftware
[08:40]	TR Bot	 DEBIX Model A - A Raspberry Pi-inspired NXP i.MX 8M Plus SBC for AI applications - CNX Software
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[08:44]	matey	the situation with ted tso is one of the most idiotic things ive seen in my entire life
[08:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	from what I saw, I agree
[08:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	unless there's more
[08:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	that I did not see
[08:44]	matey	its as if george w. bush cloned himself, every clone got a sex change, and then they took over free software for open source just like they took over iraq for halliburton
[08:45]	matey	all of shit was open-source-based. all of it
[08:45]	matey	and the biggest idiots in free software fucking ate it up
[08:45]	matey	and this destroyed the movement
[08:45]	matey	but i know there were other factors
[08:46]	matey	mjg may understand security
[08:46]	matey	but assuming his arguments are honest, he does not understand the english language in a typical, basic form
[08:46]	matey	no reading comprehension whatsoever.
[08:46]	matey	that goes for everyone on his side of that clusterfuck
[08:47]	matey	theyre all functionally illiterate.
[08:47]	matey	if youre going to imagine what people said, stop accusing them of things based on what you think they said
[08:48]	matey	go write fanfic or something. that in practice does not require literary skills.
[08:48]	matey	(its not all bad)
[08:48]	matey	the entire cancel culture brigade is like bad fanfic
[08:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2020/06/08/twitter-cancel-culture/
[08:48]	matey	where all the people they disagree with are villains, and all the people who agree know what theyre talking about
[08:48]	TR Bot	 Social Control Media: Where Cancel Culture Thrives | Techrights
[08:48]	matey	its political mary sue bullshit.
[08:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	it is based on DELIBERATE misundersatandings
[08:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	\that's the "added value"
[08:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	the distortion
[08:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	disguised as "sorry, did you mean..."
[08:49]	matey	well, i said " assuming his arguments are honest"
[08:49]	matey	theres another possibility in that he knows goddamned well what tso meant
[08:49]	matey	and just decided to give him the julius caesar treatment anyway
[08:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	tso was targeted
[08:50]	matey	thats a fair thing to say
[08:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9hg9to/sage_sharp_claims_top_linux_kernel_developer_theo/
[08:50]	TR Bot	 Sage Sharp claims top Linux kernel developer Theo Ts'o is a rape apologist, citing GeekFeminismWiki : linux
[08:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://www.preining.info/blog/2018/09/sharp-did-it-again/
[08:50]	TR Bot	 Sharp did it again | There and back again
[08:50]	matey	this is all backstabbing politics about who gets to destroy the linux kernel
[08:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://nitter.it/_sagesharp_/status/1042769399596437504?lang=en-GB
[08:50]	TR Bot	Sharp (@_sagesharp_): "The new Code of Conduct explicitly says discrimination and harassment on the basis of sex or gender is not allowed. One Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board member who did not sign off on the patch is Ted Tso, who is a rape apologist: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Rape_apology_on_LCA_mailing_list"|nitter.it
[08:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	"sign off on the patch is Ted Tso, who is a rape apologis"
[08:51]	matey	bye, linux
[08:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	still going at it..
[08:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	not the first
[08:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	having a go at tso
[08:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	like he's some monster
[08:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	cancel on steroids
[08:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	literally
[08:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/general-discussion/1048791-sage-sharp-says-linux-kernel-dev-theo-ts-o-is-rape-apologist-cites-geekfeminismwiki
[08:51]	TR Bot	Sharp says Linux Kernel Dev Theo Ts'o is Rape Apologist, cites GeekFeminismWiki - Phoronix Forums
[08:52]	matey	geekfeminism is pure stalinist anyway
[08:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://lwn.net/Articles/766361/
[08:52]	TR Bot	Years of Abusive E-mails, the Creator of Linux Steps Aside (The New Yorker) [LWN.net]
[08:52]	matey	kill anyone who looks at you funnyism
[08:52]	matey	and call it progress
[08:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	there is a worse thrwad
[08:53]	matey	where paranoia is truth and kissing the ring wont spare your crucifixion
[08:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	I cannot find it
[08:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	a  long long rant defaming tso
[08:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's somewhere
[08:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	but social control media sucks at discoverability
[08:53]	matey	and theyll say unirontically "freedom from speech doesnt mean freedom from cosequences"
[08:53]	matey	well thats an interesting way to frame censorship as not censorship...
[08:54]	matey	but silencing people based on kangaroo court tactics IS CENSORSHIP, NOT free speech
[08:54]	schestowitz[TR2]	"Sage Sharp has already used the CoC to falsely accuse Ted T'so of violating it (over comments he made years ago). It took only 4 days.
[08:54]	schestowitz[TR2]	"
[08:54]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://lwn.net/Articles/766347/
[08:54]	TR Bot	Years of Abusive E-mails, the Creator of Linux Steps Aside (The New Yorker) [LWN.net]
[08:54]	matey	linux is a hopeless clusterfuck
[08:54]	matey	and so are its developers
[08:54]	matey	if openbsd devs are masturbating monkeys
[08:54]	matey	here is the proof that linux devs throw their own shit (and eat it too)
[08:54]	schestowitz[TR2]	"She pointed out that he was the only one to vote against the CoC's adoption and he also (AFAIR) downplayed sexual assault in an argument a couple years ago.
[08:54]	schestowitz[TR2]	Now where do you find an accusation, let alone a false one? And what are the consequences? Because if there are no consequences, then I don't see what bad supposedly happened."
[08:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	"The CoC commit was signed off by six of the ten current TAB members, plus Linus Torvalds himself. Ted Ts'o was not among the signatories but from that we can't conclude that he voted against its adoption. Given the short timeframe involved, perhaps he was simply not available to sign it. (Incidentally, the other three non-signers are H. Peter Anvin, Tim Bird, and Rik Van Riel.)
[08:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	"
[08:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	"A few years ago, Ted Ts'o commented critically on some of the statistics put forward in a discussion on rape. Whether that is rape apology or a valid fact-based contribution to the discussion is a matter of opinion, but to some people at the time it was quite an outrage.
[08:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	Anyway, Sage Sharp did not actually make a CoC complaint. What they did was wonder aloud (on Twitter) whether the Linux Foundation TAB was qualified to handle CoC complaints if it contained the well-known rape apologist, Ted Ts'o. Sage Sharp also pointed out some procedural issues that the TAB might address to be better prepared to handle CoC complaints as they come in, but these don't look like show-stoppers to me. As far a
[08:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	s Ted Ts'o's presence on the TAB is concerned, if the kernel community considers that a problem they can decline to reelect him when his seat is up. Finally, Sage Sharp, AFAIK, is not currently working on the Linux kernel, so whether they have standing to make actual CoC complaints is anybody's guess.
[08:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	"
[08:55]	matey	this is how they destroyed linux
[08:55]	matey	hey mjg-- good job
[08:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	"Under this new CoC, accusing Tso of rape appologism (a clear ad-hominem attac) would put Sharp in a bad position. Oh, the irony. And of course, it shows that problems can be dealt with without a CoC. Unless your problem is eroding Linux leadership, that is.
[08:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	"
[08:55]	matey	first linux-- then stallman
[08:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	"Indeed, I forgot to add that Sage Sharp's attacking Ted Ts'o over something that (a) happened long ago and (b) is by no means as obviously vile as they make it out to be could be considered a form of harassment under the new CoC and therefore actionable if Sage Sharp were a member of the kernel development community and Ted Ts'o were to make a complaint.
[08:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	"
[08:56]	matey	if Sage Sharp were a member of the kernel development community <- if shes not, what the hell is she
[08:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	"Sage Sharp has already used the CoC to falsely accuse Ted T'so of violating it (over comments he made years ago). It took only 4 days.
[08:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	"
[08:57]	matey	go ahead and repeat it
[08:57]	matey	its worth repeating
[08:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	"Sharp's histrionics are a transparent, deliberately timed, politically motivated act that the CoC not only does not protect, but rather forbids.
[08:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	Not that it matters either way, because as they're rather vocal about their desire to remain a non-contributor, they aren't subject to the protections in the document in the first place.
[08:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	"
[08:58]	matey	they're rather vocal <- looks up if shes she or they
[08:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	SFC hired Sharp
[08:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	around the time it also took money from Microsdoft
[08:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	SFC might be beyond redemption
[08:58]	matey	 Sharp is non-binary and uses the pronouns "they" and "them". [16] Contents <- wikipedia
[08:58]	matey	so i guess its they
[08:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	but at least it called out Microsoft on some things lately
[08:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.10 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.58 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[08:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: I don't care about that
[08:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's a distraction
[08:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	it is a person, and a toxic person
[08:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	who "cancels" decent people
[08:59]	matey	 SFC hired Sharp <- sfc is pure concentrated evil coming out of your anus (comedy reference)
[08:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	for political reaons
[08:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	and those perople are toxic to communities
[08:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	doing the same to Torvalds
[08:59]	matey	toxic to corporations
[08:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	accusing him of sexism by innuendo
[08:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	communities do need to tackle toxic people
[08:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	but the toxic people like to accuse othrs of toxicity
[08:59]	matey	within reason
● Jul 18
[09:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	and wear mislewading labels
[09:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's a method
[09:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/sexism-misrepresentation/
[09:00]	TR Bot	 They Tell Us Linus Torvalds is Sexist But Evidence Suggests Otherwise | Techrights
[09:00]		*britney has quit (connection closed)
[09:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	you know Sharp works in tandem with MJG
[09:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	for ages
[09:00]	matey	 <schestowitz[TR2]> but the toxic people like to accuse othrs of toxicity 
[09:01]	matey	RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded
[09:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	over 7 years already
[09:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	they pick targets
[09:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	and try to destroy their reputation, maybe carer toio
[09:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	neigther still write ANY code for Linux
[09:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	tyhey basically got shown the door
[09:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	implicitly
[09:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	politely
[09:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	and LF did not learn
[09:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	LF totally embraces this agenda
[09:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	because of the LF's true masters
[09:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2021/05/07/trolling-the-real-community/
[09:01]	TR Bot	 The Biggest Troll is the Linux Foundation, Still Looking to Provoke and Defame Free Software Communities in Order to Help a Monopolistic Takeover and to Shoehorn Tyrants Into Leadership Positions | Techrights
[09:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	the one thing lacking above
[09:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	asaide from some comments
[09:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	there ar emany mor  scattered all oveer
[09:02]		*britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights
[09:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	is other examples of twitter/nitter weaponised to attack tso
[09:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	on unfair basis
[09:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	on unfair grounds
[09:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	like a decade late
[09:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	as an act of revenge
[09:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	and it's about tearing down the kernel community
[09:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	by also forbidding political speech
[09:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	I don't want to spend any further effort giving more links on this
[09:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	I think the comments quoted  abiove from LWN are decent enough
[09:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	also, the debian dev, prenning, who spoke out in defence of tso, was  demoted
[09:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	and put under disciplinary poroceedings
[09:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	for calling out trolls and saboteuer
[09:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	and that shows that the same trolling has already to debian already... HAD spead
[09:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	by 2018
[09:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	it was areound the time dthey did it to pocock too
[09:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	he wroite about politics in his blog
[09:04]	matey	LF totally embraces this agenda <- of course
[09:04]	matey	they work for microsoft
[09:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	and occasionally bemoaned companies like gulag intefering
[09:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	after he had tutored for them
[09:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	free of charge
[09:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	gulag employees went after him too
[09:05]	matey	and it's about tearing down the kernel community by also forbidding political speec <- linus fault
[09:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	linus was already n ot in charge
[09:05]	matey	this was a sealed fate when open source tried to remove politics from free software.
[09:05]	matey	seriously.
[09:05]	matey	they didnt REMOVE politics, they SUPPRESSED it
[09:06]	matey	it came back with a vengeance
[09:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	y poltiics you mean corporations over democracy
[09:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	you cannot criticise corporations
[09:06]	matey	this is karma for open source
[09:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	that run your government
[09:06]	matey	but free software didnt deserve it
[09:06]	matey	this is karma for linux
[09:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	that are  also bailed out or subsidised by taxpayers
[09:06]	matey	but not for gnu per se
[09:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	agaginst the taxpayers' will
[09:06]	matey	linux deserves this. open source deserves this.
[09:06]	matey	they BEGGED for this.
[09:06]	matey	they got it
[09:07]	matey	but open source took down free software, and that was its real job
[09:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	biab, work
[09:07]	matey	esr made the perfect weapon to attack free software with
[09:07]	matey	good for fuck-all else.
[09:07]	matey	hes an idiot, he thought it would be like free software only better
[09:07]	matey	he might as well have worked for microsoft. but he didnt. hes just an idiot.
[09:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	con kolivas left linux due to bloat
[09:08]	matey	ha
[09:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	he could barely  contribute anywmore
[09:08]	matey	if the shoe... cant fit
[09:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	it moveds too fast, break stuff, too complex
[09:08]	matey	 <schestowitz[TR2]> he could barely  contribute anywmore <- bloat kills software freedom
[09:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	that's an issue separate from CoC
[09:08]	matey	<schestowitz[TR2]> it moveds too fast, break stuff, too complex <0- this is what ive been saying
[09:09]	matey	that's an issue separate from CoC <- yes and thats why i said
[09:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	but it all started with you studying the tso situation
[09:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	imagine if in the future I went to work on linus
[09:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	I akm a c developer
[09:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	*on linux
[09:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	some people in the troll crowd would likely target mne
[09:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	saying I "offended" them and thus I''m not permitted to contribute patches
[09:10]	matey	shit, i didnt say it
[09:10]	matey	i was going to say "i know there are other factors" (ive named bloat specifically)
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[09:10]	matey	but instead i congratulated mjg on killing both linux and [the fsf]
[09:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	he did not
[09:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	they arer still around
[09:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	linux came back
[09:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	from forced "therapy"
[09:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	very stalinist
[09:11]	matey	linux came bac <- oh its not bloated?
[09:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	mjg has himself admitted that he hiselff admitted himself to therapy
[09:11]	matey	tso is still going to take over?
[09:11]	matey	he killed linux
[09:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	rms is alsom still around
[09:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	but a bit publicity-shy
[09:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	because of the ableists
[09:12]	matey	 mjg has himself admitted that he hiselff admitted himself to therapy <- that doesnt mean anything. he just shot the hostage (himself) to shift the topic
[09:12]	matey	but a bit publicity-shy <- you dont get it, and you never will
[09:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	anyway, linus and gnu are around
[09:12]	matey	nope
[09:12]	matey	dead
[09:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	fsf still present, not in crisis management mode like last year
[09:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	when many were leaving
[09:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	and torvalds and rms (I said linux instead of linus... QWERTTY's fAULT)
[09:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	ARE AROUND
[09:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	oops, caps
[09:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	but not in control like before
[09:13]	matey	https://techrights.org/2020/11/17/real-rms/
[09:13]	TR Bot	 The Real Richard Stallman is Not Coming Back | Techrights
[09:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	so the attacks were only partially successful
[09:13]	matey	<schestowitz[TR2]> ARE AROUND <- yeah in a glass tomb
[09:13]		*schestowitz[TR2] back in a bit
[09:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	we'll have two git servers soon
[09:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	one for tuxmachines
[09:13]	matey	<schestowitz[TR2]> so the attacks were only partially successful <- you always backpedal
[09:14]	matey	its a dumb way to guarantee youll be able to write more about it
[09:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	no
[09:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's consistent
[09:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	the attacks failed
[09:14]	matey	yes, consistently wrong
[09:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	they wanted rms removed
[09:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	he's not remooved
[09:14]	matey	hes not rms
[09:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	only /in absentia/
[09:14]	matey	yeah, exiled-- in place
[09:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	sharp and mjg never have anything to say about gates and epstein
[09:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	funny that
[09:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	such "social justice" brigadiers
[09:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	they don';t target the rich
[09:16]	matey	i can refute that, but it doesnt change the fact that stallman is held to a higher standard
[09:16]	matey	because these things are built with hypocrisy and double standards as the foundation
[09:16]	matey	its not racism when against whites. its not sexism when its against men
[09:17]	matey	and theres no such thing as heterophobia
[09:17]	matey	even though meredith wrote about it
[09:17]	matey	and theres a pretty decent book with that title
[09:17]	matey	granted, heterophobia isnt typically as violent or widespread as homophobia
[09:17]	matey	but only the fake left wants to make people equal by oppressing everyone equally
[09:18]	matey	thats stalinism too
[09:18]	TR News	[Old] "We are making progress" https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=5055 | Source: Devuan
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[09:18]	matey	and then the right comes and equates stalinism and the fake left with the mainstream
[09:18]	matey	which is only partly true (and also partly bullshit)
[09:18]	matey	and then they lose credibility (which they dont deserve for other reasons)
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[09:19]	matey	and everyone forgets that stalinists are (by nature) fucking hypocrites and doublestandardmongers
[09:19]	matey	even though its practically synonymous
[09:19]	matey	you know the ITS MAAM woman?
[09:19]	matey	tiffany michelle
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[09:19]	TR Bot	Deck hits over 4,000 titles marked either Verified or Playable | GamingOnLinux
[09:19]	matey	self-proclaimed stalinist
[09:19]		*chomwitt (~chomwitt@95ruh3zdy2z5q.irc) has joined #techrights
[09:20]	matey	mentioned mostly because i found this out the other day
[09:20]	matey	and she has a rap video 
[09:20]	matey	two i think
[09:20]	TR News	"game developer Bungie has now sued a US-based gamer" https://torrentfreak.com/bungie-sues-twitch-streaming-destiny-cheater-miffysworld-for-being-awful-220718/ | Source: Torrent Freak
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[09:20]	matey	with a lambo.
[09:21]	matey	if you see how stalin lived, this is hilarious.
[09:21]	TR News	"The ICE-V Wireless from QWERTY Embedded Design is a tiny board that combines a Lattice iCE40" https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-based-ice-v-wireless-board-includes-a-lattice-ice40-ultraplus-fpga/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
[09:21]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-based-ice-v-wireless-board-includes-a-lattice-ice40-ultraplus-fpga/ )
[09:21]	matey	i suppose there are legitimately marxist points you COULD make with a lambo
[09:21]	matey	very few, but nonetheless
[09:21]	TR News	"In post, we will cover how to install minikube on Fedora 36 step by step." https://www.linuxbuzz.com/how-to-install-minikube-on-fedora/ | Source: Linux Buzz
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[09:22]	matey	mostly its funny, because stalin (who is supposedly leninist) LOVED his swanky hotel suites and giant baths and (most likely) fancy cars
[09:22]	matey	lenin scoffed at such things
[09:22]	matey	trotsky also scoffed 
[09:23]	TR News	"Wine is an open-source and free application for Linux that enables users to run any windows based software" https://www.tecmint.com/install-wine-in-rhel-centos-and-fedora/ | Source: TecMint
[09:23]	TR Bot	 How to Install Wine on RHEL-based Linux Distributions
[09:23]	matey	stalin didnt like trotskys critiques, so he had him stabbed to death with an ice pick
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[09:24]	matey	my guess is that under stalin, poison and tea were just too dear
[09:24]	matey	so they had to make do
[09:24]	TR News	"There is another open source software available called PlayOnLinux that uses Wine" https://www.tecmint.com/playonlinux-install-windows-software-in-linux/ | Source: TecMint
[09:24]	TR Bot	 PlayOnLinux Run Windows Software and Games in Linux
[09:25]	matey	(thats not entirely true-- even under stalin, there were some advances in comfort-- punctuated by mass famines and resulting deaths)
[09:25]	matey	that is, assuming you werent sent to the gulag over a misunderstanding 
[09:25]	matey	but trotsky came back! 
[09:25]	matey	the real one at that
[09:26]	matey	not silenced
[09:26]	matey	and so, ice pick.
[09:26]	matey	the gulag failed. FAILED!
[09:26]	matey	the ice pick worked
[09:27]	matey	many attempts were made to silence stallman
[09:27]	matey	its fucking irrelevant "where" he is
[09:27]	matey	what matters is WHAT he is
[09:27]	TR News	"The Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) provides a centralized and automated method for configuring the network attributes of hosts when they connect to the network." https://opensource.com/article/22/7/configure-dhcp-server | Source: OpenSource.com
[09:27]	TR Bot	I configure a DHCP server on my personal network | Opensource.com
[09:27]	TR News	"This article demonstrates creating a base API with Express and JavaScript." https://opensource.com/article/22/7/javascript-api-express | Source: OpenSource.com
[09:27]	TR Bot	a JavaScript API in 6 minutes | Opensource.com
[09:27]	matey	and hes never going to be that again. we should of course protect an important legacy
[09:27]	TR News	"Netfilter tables (nftables) is the default firewall shipped with modern Linux distros." https://opensource.com/article/22/7/nftwatch-linux-firewall | Source: OpenSource.com
[09:27]	TR Bot	your Linux firewall with nftwatch | Opensource.com
[09:27]	matey	but hes actually finished this time
[09:27]	matey	pretending hes not wont make it so
[09:28]	matey	its important, because a lot of idiots are waiting for him to come fix things
[09:28]	matey	why not just wait for jesus? hes just as likely to return
[09:28]	matey	waiting for jesus is fine, unless its an excuse to leave shit like it is-- thats stupid
[09:29]	matey	waiting for stallman is just as dumb (well, okay, one literally died, so maybe theyre not 1:1 identical)
[09:29]	matey	doesnt help the odds
[09:29]	matey	stallman hasnt fixed any of this stuff in years
[09:29]	matey	he did try
[09:30]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[09:30]	matey	the traitors in the gnu project gave ZERO shits 
[09:30]	matey	rms doesnt even run gnu anymore
[09:30]	matey	the coup does
[09:30]	matey	but you wont figure that out
[09:30]	matey	a few years from now youll still be scratching your head about it, and pretending to know
[09:30]	matey	the coup won (for now)
[09:31]	matey	its necessary to understand strategic losses in order to fix (and learn from) them
[09:31]	matey	its a shot in our own foot to deny this shit
[09:32]	matey	just as its self-destructive to equate calling the iraq invasian illegal with not supporting the troops
[09:32]	matey	if the troops need bullshit and lies to feel supported, thats not everyone elses problem
[09:32]	matey	not their responsibility
[09:32]	matey	of course the argument itself is ridiculous
[09:33]	matey	https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/33505-why-of-course-the-people-don-t-want-war-why-should
[09:33]	TR Bot	 Quote by Hermann Goering: Why of course the people don't want war. Why sh...
[09:35]	matey	aturally, the common people dont want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship 
[09:35]	TR News	Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple Notes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167363
[09:35]	TR Bot	 Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple Notes | Tux Machines
[09:35]	matey	Voice or no voice, [xrevan86] the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.
[09:36]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167364
[09:36]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[09:36]	matey	hermann goering ^
[09:36]	matey	nasty piece of work. but this much is true
[09:36]	matey	first found that quote around 2003
[09:37]	matey	it was taped to a uni professors door
[09:37]	TR News	Geniatech XPI-3566 is a business-card sized Rockchip R3566 SBC https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/07/18/geniatech-xpi-3566-is-a-business-card-sized-rockchip-r3566-sbc/
[09:37]	TR Bot	 Geniatech XPI-3566 is a business-card sized Rockchip R3566 SBC - CNX Software
[09:37]	matey	large font
[09:37]	matey	in 2003 people had one choice: war, or war
[09:38]	matey	gene simmons agreed
[09:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	lol
[09:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	you have a thing for gene
[09:38]	matey	i like long tongues
[09:38]	matey	but actually
[09:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	richard simmons 
[09:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	josh simmons
[09:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	simmons and simmons
[09:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	the UPC mafia
[09:39]	matey	richard simmons i like
[09:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	he was with ricky lakje a lot
[09:39]	matey	but liking richard simmons more than josh simmons is homophobic
[09:39]	matey	because the former is as gay as the hills, but closeted
[09:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	 richard simmons woluld be useful when cancel mobs go after you
[09:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	and he would fire back at them
[09:40]	matey	and the other i didnt even know, but hes apparently out
[09:40]	matey	so theres a nuance
[09:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	yeah
[09:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	nuance
[09:40]	matey	actually at this point hes basically a recluse
[09:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	but he's not fully out
[09:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	just a bit
[09:40]	matey	hes old and depressed
[09:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	he's not in the board iirc
[09:40]	matey	but i think hes a good person
[09:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	but still associated
[09:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	they need a name-caller
[09:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	accusing people of flase things
[09:40]	matey	he just doesnt want to be old 
[09:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	richard?
[09:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	dick cimmons
[09:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	what a dick
[09:41]	matey	simmons, yes
[09:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	reminds me of larry from 3 stooges
[09:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	mjg is curly obviously
[09:42]	matey	reminds me of larry darryl and darryl from newhart
[09:42]	TR News	#HowTo Install ZSH Shell along with OhMyZsh and Powerlevel10k on Ubuntu 22.04 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167365
[09:42]	TR Bot	 How to Install ZSH Shell along with OhMyZsh and Powerlevel10k on Ubuntu 22.04 | Tux Machines
[09:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	speaking of larry
[09:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	twitter's bird is named after larry bird
[09:42]	matey	mjg is the spiritual leader of the new fsf
[09:43]	matey	a person who is open source to the very core, who swears its about "free software
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	leisure suit larry = mjg at a foss conference
[09:44]	matey	free software initiative
[09:44]	matey	formerly libre, openly sleazy software
[09:45]	matey	fuck linux, opins sage sharp
[09:47]	matey	favour linus over stallman supporters
[09:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	fans?
[09:49]	matey	eh?
[09:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://wearefaith.org/blog/the-second-commandment-worship-god-rightly/
[09:49]	TR Bot	 2nd Commandment Worship God Rightly Faith Church
[09:49]	matey	lolwut
[09:50]	matey	call him mellow yellow?
[09:50]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167366
[09:50]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[09:51]	matey	You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me <- he was walking like an egyptian that day
[09:51]	matey	never hang around god when hes in an egyptian mood
[09:51]	matey	it rarely ends well
[09:54]	matey	visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me <- dont fuck with god, he will eat your children
[09:54]	TR News	Steam Deck hits over 4,000 titles marked either Verified or Playable Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167367
[09:54]	TR Bot	 Steam Deck hits over 4,000 titles marked either Verified or Playable | Tux Machines
[09:54]	TR News	RISC-V based ICE-V Wireless board includes a Lattice ICE40 UltraPlus FPGA Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167368
[09:54]	TR Bot	 RISC-V based ICE-V Wireless board includes a Lattice ICE40 UltraPlus FPGA | Tux Machines
[09:55]	matey	from the mouths of bab-ylonians
[09:58]	TR News	Links 18/07/2022: EasyOS Dunfell-series 4.2.7, EasyOS 4.2 Reviewed, Steam Deck at 4,000 Games | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/steam-deck-at-4000-games/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/steam-deck-at-4000-games/
[09:58]	TR Bot	 Links 18/07/2022: EasyOS Dunfell-series 4.2.7, EasyOS 4.2 Reviewed, Steam Deck at 4,000 Games | Techrights
[09:59]	TR News	"The sewing machine is a tool that many of us will have somewhere around our workshop." https://hackaday.com/2022/07/17/a-home-made-sewing-machine-may-be-the-only-one/ | Source: Hackaday
[09:59]	TR Bot	Home Made Sewing Machine May Be The Only One | Hackaday
[09:59]	TR News	"As ferrite technology has progressed into a mastery of magnetic permeability" https://hackaday.com/2022/07/17/beautiful-inductors-now-not-such-a-lost-art/ | Source: Hackaday
[09:59]	TR Bot	Inductors, Now Not Such A Lost Art | Hackaday
[09:59]	matey	images misrepresent God, a God who reminds His people that we do not see Him in a form (Deuteronomy 4:15-19). 
[09:59]	TR News	Orban https://telex.hu/english/2022/07/18/western-allies-puzzled-by-hungary-mild-reaction-to-russias-hacking | Source: Telex (Hungary)
[09:59]	TR Bot	 Telex: Western allies puzzled by Hungary' mild reaction to Russia's hacking
[09:59]	matey	you know, except when he shows up as stuff
[09:59]	matey	like a burning bush
● Jul 18
[10:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	MinceR: joiins us know and hack the softwaree
[10:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	join, *now
[10:00]	matey	join us now and cancel our leader
[10:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	lieber
[10:01]	matey	read my liebs
[10:01]	matey	no gnu taxes
[10:04]	matey	the fsf-destroying/linux-destroying foundation
[10:04]	matey	the fsf-destroying+linux-destroying foundation
[10:05]	matey	/me think the + in gnu+linux was premature optimisation
[10:05]	matey	maybe if he had waited 100 years, it wouldnt be premature
[10:06]	TR News	The Corporatization of Just About Everything Including the Climate Crisis and Outer Space https://scheerpost.com/2022/07/17/the-corporatization-of-just-about-everything-including-the-climate-crisis-and-outer-space/ | Source: Scheerpost
[10:06]	TR Bot	Corporatization of Just About Everything Including the Climate Crisis and Outer Space scheerpost.com
[10:06]	matey	besides, isnt it actually (gnu linux)
[10:07]	TR News	"The differences between a drone and an underwater remote-operated vehicle (ROV) arent actually that large." https://hackaday.com/2022/07/17/it-turns-out-you-cant-just-fly-a-drone-under-water/ | Source: Hackaday
[10:07]	TR Bot	Turns Out You Cant Just Fly A Drone Under Water | Hackaday
[10:07]	mjg59_	09:11 < schestowitz[TR2]> mjg has himself admitted that he hiselff admitted himself to therapy
[10:07]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR2]: Uh I'm not sure you understand how therapy works
[10:07]	TR News	"background-oriented schlieren" https://hackaday.com/2022/07/17/observe-airflow-using-smartphone-and-background-oriented-schlieren/ | Source: Hackaday
[10:07]	TR Bot	Airflow Using Smartphone And Background-Oriented Schlieren | Hackaday
[10:07]	matey	its a relatively young science
[10:07]	mjg59_	Do you admit yourself to dentistry?
[10:08]	matey	fools can go to the dentist, but theyll never admit it
[10:08]	mjg59_	It's not an in-patient situation
[10:08]	TR News	The missiles and weapons giant Boeing, which many wrongly view as air travel company https://truthout.org/articles/lets-replicate-chicagos-antiwar-organizing-victory-against-boeing/ | Source: TruthOut
[10:08]	TR Bot	 Let's Replicate Chicago's Antiwar Organizing Victory Against Boeing
[10:08]	mjg59_	There is no "admission"
[10:09]	mjg59_	I make an appointment with my therapist, we chat for an hour, I repeat as necessary
[10:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: I know that quote :-)
[10:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	mjg59_: good luck with that
[10:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	Torvalds did not ask for it
[10:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	he was "prescribed" by bullies
[10:09]	matey	<schestowitz[TR2]> matey: I know that quote :-) <- yes, but youll never admit it
[10:10]	mjg59_	You can't force people into therapy, it simply doesn't work
[10:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's a quote worth internalising
[10:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	becaus eit's very tru
[10:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	some whistleblowers I speak to feel like they have no impact
[10:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	because those whom they hurt pretend not to care
[10:10]	matey	You can't force people into therapy, it simply doesn't work <- there are various ways to force them that do effectively force them though
[10:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's for guilt
[10:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	and public humiliation
[10:10]	matey	 <schestowitz[TR2]> some whistleblowers I speak to feel like they have no impact <- explain f=ma
[10:11]	matey	maybe instead of a whistle they should use a hammer
[10:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	force=mass what?
[10:11]	mjg59_	How does humiliation come into this?
[10:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's what cancel culture does
[10:11]	matey	im not suggesting they blow it (unless its a pneumatic hammer i guess)
[10:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	f =m x a?
[10:11]	mjg59_	Is seeing a therapist supposed to be humiliating?
[10:11]	matey	public shaming, humiliation, ok
[10:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	c =s eped of light
[10:12]	matey	the amish do shunning
[10:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	c^2
[10:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	see schcwern
[10:12]	matey	its not that muslim women want freedom from hijabs, they just want to remove hijabs without consequences
[10:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	mjg59_: if it is UNNECESSARY, yes
[10:13]	mjg59_	Linus didn't seem to think it was unnecessary?
[10:13]	matey	https://saudiarabiaevisa.org/saudi-arabia-laws-for-women-while-visiting/
[10:13]	TR Bot	reply from server ( status 0 @ https://saudiarabiaevisa.org/saudi-arabia-laws-for-women-while-visiting/ )
[10:14]	matey	women dont want freedom in saudi arabia, they just want to act without consequences
[10:14]	TR News	James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) https://hackaday.com/2022/07/17/peer-into-space-through-this-james-webb-style-hexagonal-mirror/ | Source: Hackaday
[10:14]	TR Bot	Into Space Through This James Webb-Style Hexagonal Mirror | Hackaday
[10:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/07/17/plotting-war-iran | Source: Common Dreams
[10:14]	TR Bot	 Opinion | Plotting War on Iran | Chris Hedges
[10:14]	matey	(this is my favourite cancel culture quote. i like to pair it with the simpsons angry mob meme)
[10:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	wait, wrong link
[10:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/17/remember-abu-ghraib-mbs-tells-biden-when-pressed-khashoggi-repor
[10:15]	TR Bot	( status 404 @ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/17/remember-abu-ghraib-mbs-tells-biden-when-pressed-khashoggi-repor )
[10:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/17/remember-abu-ghraib-mbs-tells-biden-when-pressed-khashoggi-report
[10:15]	TR Bot	 'Remember Abu Ghraib,' MBS Tells Biden When Pressed on Khashoggi: Report
[10:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	cancel tso
[10:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	he spoke about iraq
[10:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	mjg59_: no, and it was not
[10:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	confession under blackmail is BS
[10:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	like admissionf og uilt under torture
[10:16]	matey	only rape apologists criticise the iraq war
[10:16]	matey	-- gene simmons
[10:16]	mjg59_	I mean I literally spoke to him about this?
[10:16]	mjg59_	In person?
[10:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	Abu Ghraib = rape
[10:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	bush = rapist
[10:16]	mjg59_	And you haven't?
[10:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	after you balackmailed him
[10:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	in 2015
[10:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	in 2018
[10:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	you had several goes at it
[10:16]	matey	war includes rape very often
[10:16]	matey	so gene simmons is also a rape apologist
[10:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	iirc, many sexual abuse there
[10:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	but not enough for arrest
[10:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	like assau;t/rape
[10:17]	mjg59_	If I blackmailed him, why did he want to talk to me about it afterwards?
[10:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: suicide apologist
[10:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: llol!!!
[10:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	^^ "If I blackmailed him, why did he want to talk to me about it afterwards?"
[10:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	I don't think you know how blackmail works
[10:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	the whole idea is that you do something under covert pressure
[10:18]	matey	 I don't think you know how blackmail works <- people who are blackmailed do things of their own agency
[10:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	maybe in pillow talk with his wife linus tells the wife what he really thinks of you
[10:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	but cannot say it in kernel mailing lists
[10:18]	mjg59_	Oh, I don't think Linus /likes/ me
[10:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	or to your face
[10:19]	matey	for example, people who are tortured by the government often do things of their own central intelligence agency
[10:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	mjg59_: linus would tell you to go suck on a Popsicle if he could do so without consequences from james and sheela Microsoft
[10:19]	mjg59_	But he had an unprompted conversation with me about how it was the people defending him who convinced him he needed to do something
[10:20]	matey	on one side: people who agree with mjg
[10:20]	matey	on the other side: nazis and abortion clinic bombers
[10:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	bbl
[10:20]	matey	tthe choice is obvious
[10:20]	matey	read the room
[10:20]	TR News	"[Maurizio] built a robot arm, which is always a great accomplishment." https://hackaday.com/2022/07/17/robot-arm-has-the-touch/ | Source: Hackaday
[10:20]	TR Bot	Arm Has The Touch | Hackaday
[10:21]	TR News	The cause and effect here may have been reversed https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/18/lgbt-adults-are-more-likely-to-experience-mental-health-hardships-but-less-likely-to-get-needed-help/ | Source: Counter Punch
[10:21]	matey	if thats linuses take on right vs wrong, they should probably revoke kernel access (for incompetence)
[10:21]	TR Bot	Adults Are More Likely to Experience Mental Health Hardships, But Less Likely to Get Needed Help - CounterPunch.org
[10:22]	TR News	Labour causes https://truthout.org/articles/nlrb-is-understaffed-and-underfunded-at-critical-moment-for-labor-movement/ | Source: TruthOut
[10:22]	TR Bot	 NLRB Is Understaffed and Underfunded at Critical Moment for Labor Movement
[10:22]	matey	then again hes about as much as charge as that poor fellow hanging from a clock in metropolis
[10:23]	TR News	Patents as a corruption ploy: "But if I gave your neighbor Bob a million dollars of YOUR money to invent that mousetrap" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/18/public-university-patents-are-a-racket/ | Source: Counter Punch
[10:23]	TR Bot	University Patents are a Racket - CounterPunch.org
[10:24]	matey	<cleese> "NOW LOOK! JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE SAYS 'RAPE STATISTICS'" *everyone stones cleese*
[10:24]	matey	"I MEANT JEHOVAH!"
[10:24]	TR News	With COVID-19, universities where used to feed a patent rackets. Famous Criminal Bill Gates (and Epstein enabler) made a fortune through Oxford university, at OUR expense! Twitter suspended me just to point this fact out.
[10:25]	matey	code of conduct: because sharia law isnt quite inclusive enough
[10:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULfqhCNHQPA
[10:25]	TR Bot	https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=ULfqhCNHQPA
[10:25]	TR Bot	timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=ULfqhCNHQPA )
[10:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA95FKbs_Jg
[10:25]	TR Bot	https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=jA95FKbs_Jg
[10:25]	TR Bot	invidious.esmailelbob.xyz | John Cleese Walks Out on BBC News Interview - Invidious
[10:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	this second one is epic
[10:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ7PPUTT3KY
[10:26]	TR Bot	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=tJ7PPUTT3KY
[10:26]	TR Bot	yewtu.be | John Cleese Absolutely OBLITERATES 'Woke' Interviewer on Her 'Cancel Culture Agenda' - Invidious
[10:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	he can smell a troll
[10:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	from a distance
[10:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	he's/ very tolerant
[10:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	but now they go after any comedy skit
[10:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	but choosing not to understand it
[10:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	and then claiming people will die
[10:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	from the misunderstanding
[10:27]	TR News	"Much of campus activity these days focuses on diversity, tuition, student loans" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/18/students-campuses-and-dominant-corporate-power/ | Source: Counter Punch
[10:27]	TR Bot	Campuses and Dominant Corporate Power - CounterPunch.org
[10:28]	TR News	FBI manufactturing "threats"... "Romeo Langhorne is the latest victim of an FBI phony terror entrapment scheme." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/07/17/fbi-still-targeting-black-people-entrapment | Source: Common Dreams
[10:28]	TR Bot	 Opinion | The FBI Is Still Targeting Black People for Entrapment | Margaret Kimberley
[10:28]	matey	give them long enough, and the stalinists render satire obsolete
[10:29]	matey	theres not much you can joke about them doing that they wont actually do
[10:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	that happened with putin
[10:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	not stalin
[10:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	he goes after comedy too
[10:29]	matey	stalin went after everyone
[10:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	and wants to kill some Ukrainian comedian 
[10:30]	matey	putin is a wannabe stalin. but hes doing a notable job of it
[10:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	Stalin's DreamTeam(R)
[10:30]	matey	putin will prove hes stalin when his own closest people (finally) kill him
[10:32]	matey	stalinist freedom cancellers
[10:32]	mjg59_	The Death of Stalin is extremely good comedy
[10:32]	matey	/me prefers demobbed
[10:32]		*britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
[10:33]	TR News	Dying companies, riding the money of misled people who think they're worth something https://gamerant.com/microsoft-acquire-netflix/
[10:33]	TR Bot	 Analyst Thinks Microsoft Could Acquire Netflix
[10:36]	TR News	Improve Linux performance with this one weird trick Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167369
[10:36]	TR Bot	 Improve Linux performance with this one weird trick | Tux Machines
[10:36]	matey	someone try to use duckduckgo in tor browser with scripts and cookies off
[10:36]	TR News	Why Internet Access Needs to Be Considered a Basic Human Right https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/internet-access-basic-human-right/
[10:36]	TR Bot	 Why Internet Access Needs to Be Considered a Basic Human Right
[10:37]	matey	nevermind, my bad
[10:37]	TR News	Resilience Amid Oppression in Myanmars Digital Coup https://engagemedia.org/2022/pretty-good-podcast-20-myanmar-digital-coup/
[10:37]	TR Bot	 Pretty Good Podcast Episode 20: Resilience Amid Oppression in Myanmar's 'Digital Coup' - EngageMedia
[10:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	SJVN: Microsoft is open source company
[10:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	open source... like github ;-)
[10:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	linux company
[10:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	blocks linux from booting
[10:38]	TR News	Dissecting Microsofts proposed policy to ban commercial open source apps Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167370
[10:38]	TR Bot	 Dissecting Microsofts proposed policy to ban commercial open source apps | Tux Machines
[10:38]	matey	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiqDZlAZygU
[10:38]	TR Bot	https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=BiqDZlAZygU
[10:38]	TR Bot	timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=BiqDZlAZygU )
[10:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	Tor is compromised
[10:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	the Tor Browser for sure
[10:38]	matey	 blocks linux from booting <- pfft
[10:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	putting Microsoft spyware in the browser
[10:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	after Microsoftg paid them
[10:38]	matey	blocks linux from even being developed!
[10:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	via the Microsoft proxy
[10:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo
[10:39]	TR Bot	 DuckDuckGo - Techrights
[10:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	you cannot ask tor about the "donation"
[10:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	they ban you from irc if you ask
[10:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	they cannot justify it
[10:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	tor is finished to me
[10:39]	matey	okay
[10:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	sjvn joined the troll club of James and Sheela Microsoft
[10:40]	matey	if youre in india and want to access the internet, you tell me how
[10:40]	matey	ill wait
[10:41]	matey	even with their boatloads of hypocrisy and bullshit
[10:41]	matey	tor undoes more censorship than it causes
[10:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	deepends where
[10:41]	matey	way more
[10:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	like the back doors
[10:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	it intentional is sleective effect
[10:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	so that US empire can gain
[10:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	they want tor to work in russia
[10:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	to destabilise it
[10:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	but they exercise control over tor
[10:42]	matey	tor should work everywhere imo
[10:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	so that US dissidents can get caught
[10:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	there's always some zerop-day
[10:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	or minus-something-day
[10:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	they don't tell you
[10:42]	matey	youre conflating attacks on tor that tor discloses with tor itself
[10:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	and they control some devs for all we know
[10:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	they ousted the ones they could not control
[10:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	adn who openly spoke out against nsa et al
[10:43]	matey	try the rust angle, its less ridiculous
[10:43]	matey	i can think of better reasons not to use tor than you can
[10:43]	matey	they ousted the ones they could not control <- seems that way
[10:44]	matey	my guess is that jake was targeted for being an actual rapist
[10:44]	matey	he was still targeted
[10:44]	matey	but he may not be innocent
[10:44]	matey	maybe the only person keeping tor honest was a rapist, i dont know
[10:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	tor sacked many staff
[10:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	about a third
[10:45]	matey	they are (demonstrably) less honest now. i dont know if thats because jake left or not.
[10:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	and put in management someone I don't trust
[10:45]	matey	tor sacked many staf <- why, which ones
[10:45]	matey	i can find a reason not to use just about any software
[10:46]	matey	instead of literally formatting, i try to find the least bullshit software in the world
[10:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	right now tor truns to sir shit up OUTSIDE the 6-eyes
[10:46]	matey	that way i dont have to write my own kernel
[10:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	while we keep hearing of  tor users unmasked in thw west
[10:47]	TR News	"What could go wrong with digital transformation?" IBM imposing Microsoft systemd and other vendor lockin on your infra to sell "support" https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/7/digital-transformation-fear-derail-strategy
[10:47]	TR Bot	 5 ways fear can derail your digital transformation strategy | The Enterprisers Project
[10:47]	matey	giving dissidents tools that save their lives outside the jurisdiction of 6 eyes still seems like a good thing
[10:47]	matey	even if its done for less than noble reasons
[10:48]	TR News	"report sponsored by Red Hat." = marketing BS https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/7/it-talent-upskilling-boost-digital-transformation
[10:48]	TR Bot	 IT talent: How upskilling can help boost digital transformation | The Enterprisers Project
[10:48]	matey	if youre implying that tor doesnt save dissident lives, just say so
[10:48]	matey	its better than dancing
[10:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	we need universal solutions
[10:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	not uses started by USAF
[10:48]	matey	im not sure we do actually
[10:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	or Navy
[10:48]	matey	the cloud is a universal solution
[10:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	whose?
[10:48]	matey	universal solutions are single points of failure
[10:49]	matey	you just said a few days ago that diversity is security
[10:49]	matey	in an article-- maybe even a title
[10:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	no, i mean, like gnu
[10:49]	matey	now you say universal solutions
[10:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	tor is like a us company
[10:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	kde iss german mostyl
[10:49]	matey	tor is a for-profit?
[10:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	nginx used to be russian
[10:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	maybe still is
[10:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	ask the people who they are loyalt o
[10:50]	matey	nginx used to be russian <- maybe written to destablise the west :)
[10:50]	TR News	Simplify client connection configurations with service contexts | Red Hat Developer https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/07/18/simplify-client-connection-configurations-service-contexts Source: developers
[10:50]	TR Bot	 Simplify client connection configurations with service contexts | Red Hat Developer
[10:50]	matey	youre fucked now, america! i give you: JAVASCRIPT!
[10:50]	matey	duck and cover! it hasnt got strong typing!
[10:51]	matey	(javascript is shit of course)
[10:51]	matey	but their plan backfired when npm grabbed back
[10:51]	matey	tor is a counterattack to russian nginx
[10:51]	matey	its basically a free software cold war
[10:52]	TR News	Community container images available for applications development https://fedoramagazine.org/community-container-images-available-for-applications-development/
[10:52]	TR Bot	 Community container images available for applications development - Fedora Magazine
[10:52]	matey	i really cant figure which side systemd is supposed to be on though
[10:52]	matey	maybe its a double agent
[10:54]	matey	"this play is written to convince everyone that i should take over the world. i wrote it while drinking cof-fee. thats why i call it: javascript"
[10:54]	matey	"pfff!"
[10:54]	matey	"what?"
[10:54]	matey	"nothing, whats the sequel called, activex?"
[10:54]	matey	"listen"
[10:54]	matey	"no, no, im sure 'npm' is going to be a hit on broadway"
[10:56]	matey	it never ends though
[10:56]	matey	after tor hits back with... itself, russia counters with reactos
[10:57]	matey	a cunning plan to waste decades of peoples time
[10:57]	matey	(but at this point that puts it on par with the linux kernel, so-- milestone! sort of)
[10:58]	matey	reactos really is like a counterattack in every way
[10:58]	matey	but you know what will bring reactos to its knees?
[10:58]	matey	almost anything. 
[10:58]	matey	 really is like a counterattack <- i mean a russian one
[10:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.10 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.58 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[10:59]	matey	also jeff goldblum missed an opportunity
[10:59]	matey	he disabled an alien ship with a virus called jolly roger
● Jul 18
[11:00]	matey	if he was really brutal, he would have uploaded clippy
[11:00]	matey	HI! IT LOOKS LIKE YOURE TRYING TO INVADE EARTH! CAN I HELP?
[11:00]	matey	that would have set the aliens back for centuries
[11:01]	matey	the updates alone would have kept the ships inoperable during crucial moments
[11:01]	matey	i mean seriously, if you want to be sure a computer isnt operational
[11:02]	matey	why would you trust ordinary malware to be as terrible as a microsoft product?
[11:02]	matey	when you want something bad, get the very worst.
[11:02]	matey	but if youre too cheap for that, just install systemd
[11:03]	matey	the conspiracy theory is it helps the nsa get in
[11:03]	matey	theyre probably having as much trouble with it as we are.
[11:03]	matey	"what the fuck is this? its not encrypted..."
[11:04]	matey	"yeah, but i cant make an ounce of sense of it either"
[11:04]	matey	"you think this is one of ours?" "no, ours has documentation and does what it says it does"
[11:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	 jeff goldblum focused too much on the escapting t-rexes
[11:04]	matey	"must be one of israels"
[11:05]	matey	jeff goldblum focused too much on the escapting t-rexe <- in fairness thats a reasonable priority if youre being chased by one
[11:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	lol
[11:05]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167372
[11:05]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[11:05]	TR News	Red Hat / IBM leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167371
[11:05]	TR Bot	 Red Hat / IBM leftovers | Tux Machines
[11:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	trex compensates for its small "hands" with a very large jaw
[11:06]	matey	but he also could have stopped for a minute to see what jake appelbaum and jill bahring were doing
[11:06]		*Skywave has quit (connection closed)
[11:06]	matey	trex compensates for its small "hands" with a very large jaw
[11:06]		*Skywave (~SkywaveC3@6n2uh6ku4pmg4.irc) has joined #techrights
[11:06]	matey	bahring were doing im sure if trex were around today it would have enormous speakers too
[11:06]	matey	actually i think it did, maybe thats how ricing started
[11:06]	matey	t-ricing
[11:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	lol
[11:07]	matey	And the other males who we were with were basically just kind of running away from dinosaurs and dont really seem to see anything wrong with it, which is really quite distressing
[11:08]	matey	jeff goldblum is a rape apologist
[11:08]	matey	and a mac user
[11:09]	matey	as if the first thing wasnt bad enough
[11:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	pear user
[11:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	anagram
[11:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	of...
[11:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	pear statistics
[11:09]	matey	pear apologist!
[11:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	pair pprogramming
[11:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	copilot
[11:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2022/07/14/buried-or-spiked-alex-graveley-story/
[11:10]	TR Bot	 The Person Behind Microsofts GitHub/Copilot Does Not Want You to Know About $25,000 for Suffocating Asian Woman (Almost to Death), Repeatedly in Fact, and There Are Prior Victims Too | Techrights
[11:10]	matey	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRguZr0xCOc
[11:10]	TR Bot	https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=hRguZr0xCOc
[11:10]	TR Bot	invidious.esmailelbob.xyz | Jocko Homo (original version) - Invidious
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	mjg59_: you and Sharp shoudl write about him
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	you know
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	for social justice
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	he no longer works for Microsoft, I think
[11:11]	matey	for great social justice
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	even for Microsoft it's too much
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	like Microsoft Peter
[11:11]	matey	take off every dev
[11:11]	matey	move dev
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	Graveley is worse than Tso
[11:11]	matey	you have no chance to present, make your time
[11:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	Tso: "Rape statistics"
[11:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	garveley: "tiny asian women"
[11:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	quote
[11:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2021/12/27/lust-to-the-graveley/
[11:14]	TR Bot	 Microsoft GitHub Expos Part XII Life of Disorderly Conduct and Lust | Techrights
[11:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	"the body of a 12 year old girl"
[11:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	Microsoft 40+ year old engs 
[11:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	wanting  "the body of a 12 year old girl"
[11:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	"well, he's dead"
[11:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	no pettiion in github
[11:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	instead
[11:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	github promotes copilot
[11:15]	matey	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRguZr0xCOc <- 1:04 the eleventh doctor photobombs a 20th century music video
[11:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	made by Mr.  "the body of a 12 year old girl"
[11:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	SJWs: silence
[11:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	nothing to see here
[11:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	RMS looked at somkeone "funny"
[11:15]	matey	stalin killed people for less
[11:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	 "the body of a 12 year old girl"
[11:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	the "crime" of "walking all over the pavement"
[11:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=BiqDZlAZygU
[11:16]	TR Bot	 In full: Rowan Atkinson on free speech - Invidious
[11:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: walking all over the pavement in leningrad
[11:18]		*schestowitz[TR2] just finished all the top fronting of a cake
[11:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	*frosting
[11:19]		*schestowitz[TR2] feels guilty
[11:19]	TR News	Links 18/07/2022: More on Microsofts Assault Against Free Software | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/assault-against-free-software/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/assault-against-free-software/
[11:19]	matey	roy eats the frosting off the top of a cake
[11:19]	TR Bot	 Links 18/07/2022: More on Microsofts Assault Against Free Software | Techrights
[11:19]	matey	only a rape apologist would do something like that
[11:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	I ' straightened' the cake
[11:19]	matey	youre a cake denier
[11:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	it was decorative fronting
[11:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	we got the cake third price at tesco
[11:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	*frosting
[11:20]	matey	it was decorative fronting <- thats from a conspiracy theory website
[11:20]	matey	we got the cake third price at tesco < - so you admit youre a thief
[11:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	it did feel like a steal
[11:21]	matey	did you or did you not pay full price?
[11:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	sometimes stuff there is 90% off or more
[11:21]	matey	sometimes stuff there is 90% off or more <- so youve stolen more than once!
[11:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	two people carrying backpacks of food for less than a tenner
[11:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	obv. theft
[11:21]	matey	personally i wouldnt want any shoplifters at libreplanet
[11:22]	matey	i dont know anyone else who would be comfortable around such criminals
[11:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	deb icaza?>
[11:22]	matey	two people carrying backpacks of food for less than a tenner <- so you lead accomplices
[11:22]	matey	how long have you been involved in organised crime?
[11:22]	matey	deb icaza? <- deli, perhaps
[11:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	"nflation, maaaan"
[11:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	btw
[11:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	de icaza
[11:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	apparently sacked
[11:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	I was told
[11:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	but I need moore hard proof
[11:23]	matey	he wasnt sacked
[11:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	fridman the same, psydroid2 
[11:23]	matey	they just did some de-icazing
[11:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	*iedman
[11:23]	Ariadne	sacked?  probably retirement
[11:23]	matey	they should do some de-ICEing too
[11:24]	Ariadne	they should, but it's not likely to happen while the GSA exists
[11:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	de icazw was involved in some scnadal
[11:24]	Ariadne	almost all government buying goes through GSA
[11:24]	Ariadne	if you snub ICE, you snub all
[11:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	[11:41] <xxxx> Yeah I know that Miguel got kicked out[11:41] 
[11:25]	matey	wow, f street.
[11:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	[11:41] <xxxx> Someone told me there was some beef with the Azure team[11:41]
[11:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	Microsft OWNS Mono now
[11:26]	matey	caveat azure
[11:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	so I guess miguel has only a pile of money
[11:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	from novell and microsoft
[11:26]	Ariadne	https://www.linkedin.com/in/migueld1
[11:26]	TR Bot	( status 999 @ https://www.linkedin.com/in/migueld1 )
[11:26]	Ariadne	according to this, he is indeed out
[11:26]	matey	he will cry all the way to the bank
[11:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	laura and miguel can now make a couple dozen more offspring
[11:27]	matey	Microsft OWNS Mono now <- systemd too
[11:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	sort of
[11:27]	matey	ew
[11:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's OK, Microsoft is "?Linux company", according to SJVN
[11:28]	matey	thats all stallman needs now, is an alien jumping out of his chest
[11:28]	Ariadne	lol i ripped him for that
[11:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's involved in Linux
[11:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	like... how to make it not boot on laptops
[11:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	and making it seems like "security"
[11:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	not an antitrust matter
[11:29]	matey	ceocurity
[11:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	genetics
[11:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	geneticsec
[11:29]	matey	geneticssimmons
[11:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	genethttp://techrights.org/2019/11/09/upc-think-tanks/
[11:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2020/09/27/salesforce-works-for-ice/
[11:30]	TR Bot	 The OSIs President Apparently Does Not Know That His Own Employer (Salesforce) Works for ICE | Techrights
[11:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2022/04/19/tidelift-concern-troll/
[11:30]	TR Bot	 Tidelift is Connected to Microsoft and It Does Not Spread a Positive Message for the Free/Open Source Community | Techrights
[11:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	also simmons ^
[11:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2019/11/09/upc-think-tanks/
[11:30]	TR Bot	 Think Tanks, Bristows, Simmons and Birds Can Only Ever Lie to Us About the Dead Unified Patent Court (UPC) | Techrights
[11:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	Simmons and Simmons
[11:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	patent litigation fanatics
[11:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Salesforce-GitHub-Avatar-Josh-Simmons.jpg
[11:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	The president of todays Open Source Initiative is outsourcing his work to proprietary software of Microsoft
[11:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	both co-founders of the OSI also quit or were banned
[11:31]	matey	s/buttafuoco/simmons/
[11:32]	matey	"David Letterman, in his last year of hosting Late Night with David Letterman, discussed the incident so often that Buttafuocos name was a recurring punchline"
[11:32]	matey	"In 2002, Buttafuoco participated in the Fox Networks Celebrity Boxing, originally slated to oppose John Wayne Bobbitt, who dropped out owing to being arrested for domestic abuse."
[11:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	is Letterman still alive?
[11:32]	matey	s/out/off/
[11:32]	matey	isdavidlettermanstillalive.com
[11:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Night_with_David_Letterman
[11:32]	TR Bot	 Late Night with David Letterman - Wikipedia
[11:32]	matey	i dont know if thats a real url, but it is the internet
[11:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Night_with_David_Letterman#/media/File:Jerry_Lewis_with_David_Letterman.jpg
[11:33]	TR Bot	 Late Night with David Letterman - Wikipedia
[11:33]	matey	Letterman (sports), a classification of high school or college athlete in the United States
[11:34]	matey	letterman is 6 years older than rms
[11:34]	matey	but i think he looks more than 6 years older
[11:34]	matey	maybe he used to work for jim zemlin
[11:35]	matey	stupid dev tricks
[11:35]	TR News	As per revelations amid Snowden's NSA leaks, security is not their goal https://thehackernews.com/2022/07/juniper-releases-patches-for-critical.html
[11:35]	TR Bot	 Juniper Releases Patches for Critical Flaws in Junos OS and Contrail Networking
[11:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	hehe
[11:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	working for James and Sheela Microsoft Foundation makes you look older?
[11:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	The first CTO was Ian Murdock
[11:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	and he hanged himself
[11:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	with help from SFPF
[11:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	*SFPD
[11:37]	matey	 working for James and Sheela Microsoft Foundation makes you look older? <- didnt one of your own articles imply as much?
[11:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	let me check the xact framing
[11:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2019/10/08/torvalds-age/
[11:38]	TR Bot	 Corporate Disciplining Bad for Ones Health | Techrights
[11:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	"Disciplining"
[11:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	"Losing control over ones project after nearly 30 years apparently takes its toll on a person"
[11:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	2018 and 2019
[11:39]	matey	"Losing control over ones project after nearly 30 years apparently takes its toll on a person" <- with a picture of torvalds looking fairly old
[11:40]	matey	with jim the impaler
[11:40]	matey	aka mac the knife
[11:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2021/11/21/sending-linus-torvalds-to-therapists/
[11:40]	TR Bot	 [Meme] They Send Linus Torvalds to Therapists While Microsoft Pays Their Full Salary | Techrights
[11:40]	matey	which rapists?
[11:40]	matey	sending-linus-torvalds-to-therapists
[11:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Linus-Torvalds-spanked.gif
[11:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2022/05/15/half-a-decade-torvalds/
[11:41]	TR Bot	 What a Difference Half a Decade Makes (When Linux Foundation is Having Fun) | Techrights
[11:41]	matey	typo
[11:41]	matey	should be http://techrights.org/2021/11/21/sending-linus-torvalds-to-therapeapologists
[11:41]	TR Bot	( status 404 @ http://techrights.org/2021/11/21/sending-linus-torvalds-to-therapeapologists )
[11:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	the rapists
[11:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	therapy statictics
[11:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	most people cannot be cured
[11:42]	matey	saying people can be cured of being rapists sounds a lot like rape apologism
[11:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/zemlin-torvalds.jpg
[11:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	gotta go steal
[11:43]	matey	rape apologism is what makes rape apologists, and all it takes is one little rapeseed
[11:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	noon they mark down the foods
[11:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	bbl
[11:43]	matey	stealing is killing tesco (and its illegal)
[11:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	(some of us don't get 6-figure salary, hardly a quarter that)
[11:43]	matey	we cant all be mitchell baker
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[12:39]	MinceR	18 061802 < DaemonFC> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Drop_i686_JDKs
[12:39]	TR Bot	 Changes/Drop i686 JDKs - Fedora Project Wiki
[12:39]	MinceR	i love their argumentation for it
[12:40]	MinceR	"we no longer ship it, therefore it no longer ties your hands, so it's great for you!"
[12:40]	MinceR	who cares if anyone was actually _using_ it
[12:43]	MinceR	lol @ "Bad reasonable."
[12:54]	MinceR	maybe fedora/ibm could stop shipping distros at all, thus no longer tying developers' hands
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[13:29]	MinceR	(cat) https://ircz.de/p/22071242
[13:29]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/4ve387sgsva91.jpg created on 2022-07-12 16:51:39.910371
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[14:02]	TR News	Kink aesthetics gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/users/flexibeast/gemlog/2021-04-24.gmi
[14:03]	TR News	Spooky Anime #1 gemini://oubliette.smol.pub/xanime1
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[14:26]	Ariadne	MinceR: problem is 32-bit archs are increasingly becoming unsupported by upstream devs
[14:34]	MinceR	i understand, but that won't help someone who's trying to run a jdk on a 32bit system
[14:34]	MinceR	they might manage to not run afoul of the bugs if they just had the last official version
[14:34]	TR News	Gemini Radio: Episode 43 gemini://kwiecien.us/gemcast/20220718.gmi
[14:35]	TR News	Got EPO leaks. Long publication ahead. ETA 30 mins.
[14:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	very hot here today, but not yet humid
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[15:30]	TR News	4 Years of Monopoly Tony (Mr. Campinos) Violating the Rights of Free Association/Expression/Speech as EPO President | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/battistelli-the-second-vs-speech/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/battistelli-the-second-vs-speech/
[15:30]	TR Bot	 4 Years of Monopoly Tony (Mr. Campinos) Violating the Rights of Free Association/Expression/Speech as EPO President | Techrights
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[15:32]	TR News	"I've been a pseudo conspiracy junkie since I was very young" gemini://pluviam95.smol.pub/entry10
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[15:32]	TR News	a game in my head gemini://cyi1341.smol.pub/random8
[15:35]	TR News	Communicating with colleagues is a right; what the EPO did for nearly a decade was a violation of rights; Campinos violated these rights for 4 years and even showed his teeth (along with Barking Bergot, the Battistelli Bulldog he inherited and kept) just months after his term had started http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/battistelli-the-second-vs-speech/
[15:35]	psydroid2	OpenBSD 32-bit to the rescue
[15:45]	britney	people still run 32-bit systems?
[15:52]	MinceR	yes, people do
[15:52]	MinceR	for example, the last ThinkPad without IME or UEFI has only 32bit CPUs available
[15:57]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22070954
[15:57]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/56oq5q1fkx991.jpg created on 2022-07-09 15:26:39.371893
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[16:15]	TR News	Libre Computer ROC-RK3328-CC now supports Ubuntu 22.04 with Linux 5.18.2 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167373
[16:15]	TR Bot	 Libre Computer ROC-RK3328-CC now supports Ubuntu 22.04 with Linux 5.18.2 | Tux Machines
[16:16]	TR News	Mixtile Edge 2 Kit IoT edge computer supports Linux & Android Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167374
[16:16]	TR Bot	 Mixtile Edge 2 Kit IoT edge computer supports Linux & Android | Tux Machines
[16:16]	TR News	AppFlowy: An Open-Source Alternative to Notion Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167375
[16:16]	TR Bot	 AppFlowy: An Open-Source Alternative to Notion | Tux Machines
[16:16]	TR News	Disentangling the Debian derivatives: Which should you use? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167376
[16:16]	TR Bot	 Disentangling the Debian derivatives: Which should you use? | Tux Machines
[16:16]	TR News	Asahi Linux adds support for Macs with M2 chips Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167377
[16:16]	TR Bot	 Asahi Linux adds support for Macs with M2 chips | Tux Machines
[16:16]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167378
[16:16]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[16:27]	TR News	SpellBinding: CELNTXY Wordo: IMPEL gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-07-18.gmi
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[16:32]	MinceR	(that is, without modifying the firmware)
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[16:33]	SomeH4x0r	hi
[16:33]	matey	hi
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[16:33]	matey	 o/
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[16:34]	SomeH4x0r	I keep trying to find a good IRC client for Android (cuddlybear66 is on XMPP, she only appears on IRC sometimes)
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[16:34]	matey	 I keep trying to find a good IRC client for Android 
[16:35]	matey	she already uses one for the command line
[16:35]	SomeH4x0r	are there irssi builds for Android?
[16:35]	matey	she doesnt need one
[16:36]	matey	connectbot from android to the pc, then use the command line client from there
[16:36]	SomeH4x0r	and are the terminal emulators available good enough not to drop the connection when minimized
[16:36]	matey	i dont know, android sucks
[16:37]	SomeH4x0r	are "Linux phones" any good?
[16:37]	SomeH4x0r	some say Pinephone sucks, and I don't know others
[16:37]	matey	i dont know, linux and phones suck
[16:37]	matey	 some say Pinephone sucks <- they suck
[16:37]	matey	no im not entirely serious about that
[16:38]	matey	im not aware of pinephone sucking
[16:39]	matey	i mean if connectbot doesnt work to her liking from android
[16:39]	matey	just use a webclient
[16:39]	matey	"ah but webclients suck"
[16:39]	matey	yeah well, so does android
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[16:39]	matey	but the if was conditional
[16:40]	matey	id never connect from android / phone to pc without making the phone its own account on the latter
[16:40]	matey	i assume every phone to be compromised
[16:40]	matey	make sure the tinfoil is at least 2-ply
[16:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	how many tissues? 
[16:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	I beiove I can ply
[16:42]	matey	/me wont even re-ply to that
[16:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	your loos
[16:42]	matey	/me holds his nose
[16:44]	matey	after what happened with tso
[16:44]	matey	its definitely pronounced lie-nux
[16:44]	matey	and fuck wikipedia too
[16:44]	matey	corporate fucking shills
[16:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	simmonspedia
[16:45]	matey	lol
[16:45]	matey	the simmons thing is more of a tongue in cheek meme at this point
[16:45]	matey	hes an idiot, but not the most notable or anything
[16:46]	matey	he didnt even sign the letter
[16:46]	matey	wait
[16:46]	matey	nope, only josh. not gene.
[16:46]	matey	if you dont love k.i.s.s., youre an anti-semite
[16:47]	matey	if youre jewish and dont love k.i.s.s. youre self-hating
[16:49]	SomeH4x0r	I did mention web clients, but I see them as password stealers
[16:50]	matey	julia child was a rcrpe apologist
[16:50]	matey	/me throws keyboard out window, gets another
[16:50]	matey	fucker
[16:50]	SomeH4x0r	at least, the two public ones that I know (KiwiIRC, Mibbit)
[16:50]	matey	julia child was a crpe apologist
[16:50]	TR News	Freedom of Speech Cannot Coexist With Crime at the EPO | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/freedom-of-speech-epo/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/freedom-of-speech-epo/
[16:50]	TR Bot	 Freedom of Speech Cannot Coexist With Crime at the EPO | Techrights
[16:50]	SomeH4x0r	a private The Lounge setup is bouncer-level (depends on the place where you set it up)
[16:52]	matey	as long as she uses a command line client on the pc, im going to recommend she ssh to her pc from her phone
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[16:52]	matey	that way she has all the advantages of her command line client (minus notifications)
[16:53]	matey	75% of android applications are github based
[16:53]	matey	including connectbot. but you knew things were going to suck the minute you got an android
[16:54]	matey	plus you said she uses tor
[16:55]	matey	using her computer from her phone takes care of that
[16:57]	matey	https://www.mashed.com/908133/the-unexpected-ingredient-julia-child-used-in-crepes/ (sesame oil)
[16:57]	TR Bot	 The Unexpected Ingredient Julia Child Used In Crpes
[16:58]	matey	"You don't have to put it in at all." 
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[17:01]	TR News	The corruption in Europes second-largest institution and largest patent office has become so profound that the only way to sustain this corruption is to silence and/or intimidate those who speak about it http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/freedom-of-speech-epo/
[17:11]	TR News	Razik Alex Menidjel: Software Patents Guru or Career-Climbing Poser Who Never Wrote Code? | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/razik-alex-menidjel-swpats/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/razik-alex-menidjel-swpats/
[17:11]	TR Bot	 Razik Alex Menidjel: Software Patents Guru or Career-Climbing Poser Who Never Wrote Code? | Techrights
[17:24]	TR News	The EPOs most notorious French dictator promoted a compatriot, Razik Menidjel, who was later promoted by another Frenchman, Antnio Campinos, the f***ing president (in his own words) who expects to be in the Office for a decade, promoting European software patents in violation of the EPC http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/razik-alex-menidjel-swpats/
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[17:26]	TR News	The only democracy in the middle east??? https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-07-18/ty-article/.premium/nsos-pegasus-software-was-used-against-thai-pro-democracy-activists-report-says/00000182-0dd8-d5f6-abe3-0ffbc44d0000
[17:26]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[17:27]	TR News	"Ariadne Conill explores ways to make the Unix cat utility more efficient on Linux." https://lwn.net/Articles/901707/
[17:27]	TR Bot	How efficient can cat(1) be? [LWN.net]
[17:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	hi elephant (activelow)
[17:33]	TR News	Internal Roblox Documents Hacked and Posted Online https://www.maketecheasier.com/internal-roblox-documents-hacked/
[17:33]	TR Bot	 Internal Roblox Documents Hacked and Posted Online - Make Tech Easier
[17:34]	TR News	Hacker's Corner: Complete Guide to Anti-Debugging in Linux - Part 3 https://linuxsecurity.com/features/hacker-s-corner-complete-guide-to-anti-debugging-in-linux-part-3 Source: linuxsecurity | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//linuxsecurity.com/features/hacker-s-corner-complete-guide-to-anti-debugging-in-linux-part-3
[17:34]	TR Bot	 Hacker's Corner: Complete Guide to Anti-Debugging in Linux - Part 3
[17:38]	TR News	Implementing Zero-Trust on Kubernetes - Container Journal https://containerjournal.com/features/implementing-zero-trust-on-kubernetes/ Source: containerjournal | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//containerjournal.com/features/implementing-zero-trust-on-kubernetes/
[17:38]	TR Bot	 Implementing Zero-Trust on Kubernetes - Container Journal
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[17:41]	TR News	36 degrees here today and tomorrow gemini://caolan.uk/cgi-bin/weather.py/wxfcs/352509 gemini://auragem.space/weather/imperial/location?manchester%2C%20uk
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[17:42]	TR Bot	 The reTerminal E10-1, the First Expansion Board for the reTerminal | Tux Machines
[17:42]	TR News	Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167380
[17:42]	TR Bot	 Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
[17:42]	TR News	Tor Browser 11.5 Adds Automatic Censorship Detection With HTTPS-Only Mode as Default http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167272#comment-34380
[17:42]	TR Bot	 New Release: Tor Browser 11.5 | Tux Machines
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[18:53]	matey	We have become sadly familiar with the terms misinformation and disinformation and the need to critically examine the agendas and mindsets motivating these campaigns as well as check the facts behind their assertions. To our collective social woe, disinformation succeeds because so many people care deeply about injustice but do not take the time to study the facts before passing along or acting on disinformation.
[18:54]	matey	Hannah Wolfman-Jones[1] had already chosen Stallman as a coauthor when the call for his cancellation broke up in September 2019. Confronted with a dilemma, Hannah sought the advice of coauthor Nadine Strossen[2]. Here are her thoughts and the response she received from Nadine, extracted verbatim with their permission from the original article (worth reading.)
[18:54]	matey	As someone who had recently become an associate of thought-criminal Richard Stallman, I would be lying if I said this guilt-by-association didnt give me pause. The idea of my name being smeared all over the internet by a mob of strangers is not particularly appealing. Its the type of thing that makes one not want to speak up at all: a real chilling effect.
[18:55]	XRevan86	https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/07/18/russias-parliament-to-consider-bill-on-propaganda-of-non-traditional-relationships-in-media-news "Russias parliament to consider bill on propaganda of non-traditional relationships in media"
[18:55]	TR Bot	 . 
[18:55]	XRevan86	https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/07/18/rbc-tour-promoters-legally-discourage-russian-artists-from-making-political-statements-news "Tour promoters legally discourage Russian artists from making political statements"
[18:55]	TR Bot	 . 
[18:55]	matey	Nadine Strossen is an American civil liberties advocate and feminist. She served as president of the ACLU from 1991 to 2008 (Archived). She is a John Marshall Harlan II Professor of Law, Emerita (Archived). Strossen has been called a civil liberties luminary for her life long commitment to the rights of women, children, the oppressed, and freedom of speech. She has written extensively on these subjects and constitutional law.
[18:56]	XRevan86	https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/07/18/7358807/
[18:56]	TR Bot	 Dnipro missile strike: death toll rises to 4 | Ukrainska Pravda
[18:56]	matey	According to the Atlantic, a full 80 percent of Americans believe that "political correctness is a problem in our country." While today some smear the free speech movement as a racist dog-whistle or a far-right talking point, it turns out the numbers dont fit that narrative.
[18:56]	matey	 Turns out just about everyone thinks we need more free speech
[18:56]	matey	This includes large pluralities of all races (e.g. 75% of African Americans, 87% of Hispanics) and all ages (e.g. 79% of Americans under age 24).
[18:56]	matey	80% of americans think we should have speech without consequences!
[18:56]	matey	thank god for the 20% mob!
[18:57]	matey	thank god for 25% of african americans and THIRTEEN percent of hispanics, brave enough to wipe their shit with the idea of public discourse unfettered by neopuritan thought police
[18:58]	matey	theyre a real service to humanity, as are the (mostly white) lowlifes leading the charge against...
[18:58]	matey	ultimately, standing against corporations
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[18:59]	matey	since their chess moves always lead to corporate overthrow (which they claim to be against-- either because theyre lying, or incompetent)
[18:59]	matey	fake progressives, two-faced pretend liberators
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[19:00]	matey	scum
[19:00]	matey	they do more to hurt the credibility of the causes they cower behind, borrowing (stealing) credibility from 
[19:00]	matey	at least until people figure out the causes themselves are innocent
[19:01]	matey	A 2017 poll of 2,300 U.S. adults, found that 71% Americans believe that political correctness has silenced important discussions our society needs to have
[19:02]	matey	All over an email voicing a perspective shared by a world-renowned civil-rights lawyer and feminist. 
[19:02]	matey	a perspective  SHARED by a world-renowned civil-rights lawyer and feminis
[19:02]	matey	Voicing such a perspective was even decried as abuse! because it was so politically incorrect, but what happens if society gets politically correct wrong? And if we dont allow the politically incorrect amongst us to speak, how will we ever know what stances considered politically correct are morally wrong?
[19:04]	matey	My name is Bohdan Kovalchuk. I am a leader of the NGO Ukrainian Liberation (Kyiv, Ukraine). The goal of my organization is to promote and spread the knowledge and the use of Free Software in my country.
[19:04]	matey	While I am writing this text to you, I can hear the air sirens we have yet another threat of attack. I don't know how many times I've heard this sound in the past few days. My country is in the middle of bloody war. This war was started by the insidious aggressor, the Russian Armed Forces led by the notorious dictator Vladimir Putin. Ordinary Ukrainians, women and children, are dying.
[19:05]	matey	But we are not afraid. They will not break us. Now Vladimir Putin is talking about nuclear missiles. But his talk can't break our spirit either.
[19:05]	matey	More than 4000 Russian servicemen have died in five days of military confrontation on Ukrainian soil. And resistance continues. 
[19:05]	matey	Civilians throw themselves under the tanks in an attempt to stop them from moving further into Ukraine.
[19:05]	matey	Ordinary Ukrainians disarm tanks and armored vehicles with bare hands. 
[19:05]	matey	BUT THAT DOESNT SCALE!
[19:06]	matey	so fucking what
[19:06]	matey	Ordinary Ukrainians disarm tanks and armored vehicles with bare hands.
[19:06]	matey	fucking a
[19:06]	matey	Often at the expense of their own lives, because the aggressors kill everyone, regardless of whether they are military or civilians.
[19:06]	matey	I am sure, the FLOSS Community has reliable sources of information (and the ability to think clearly) and knows about this situation already. So I will cut to the chase since I don't have much time (and, to be honest, mental or physical strength) to paint the picture in more graphic detail.
[19:07]	matey	I appeal to the FLOSS Community, the GNU project, and the FSF because I know that these organizations are defending rights of Freedom and Respect very actively and effectively: we need your help. Once, Richard Stallman said, 
[19:07]	matey	     Geeks like to think that they can ignore politics; you can leave politics alone, but politics won't leave you alone. 
[19:07]	XRevan86	matey: This feels like an early post, March-April.
[19:07]	matey	This is what's happening in my country. But it affects everyone because Ukraine not only defends itself it defends human rights and peace, Freedom in every possible meaning.
[19:08]	matey	Published on March 3, 2022
[19:08]	matey	very accurate
[19:08]	matey	I am asking Russian citizens to fight the propaganda they are being exposed to. I urge them to find and read some pieces of news other than those that are being fed to them by the Kremlin. I ask them to find the courage to help us fight their insane dictator Vladimir Putin.
[19:09]	XRevan86	Both because the situation in Kyiv is nowhere near are dire right now, and the number of deaths well, the number of even just confirmed deaths is ~4700, per Mediazona and BBC.
[19:09]	matey	I am not even asking, I am begging all hackers to provide an official position on the war in Ukraine and share it among as many people as possible, especially among those in Russia, as they are under active disinformation attack launched by the local authorities. I beg you to help freedom-loving Ukraine to stand for itself and the whole world.
[19:09]	matey	 Both because the situation in Kyiv is nowhere near are dire right now, and the number of deaths well, the number of even just confirmed deaths is ~4700, per Mediazona and BBC.
[19:09]	XRevan86	(of the Russian soldiers)
[19:10]	matey	i was honestly disappointed to see how little the article said about stallman
[19:10]	matey	its clearly in support-- its certainly relevant too
[19:11]	matey	propaganda, etc
[19:11]	XRevan86	Bohdan had other things to worry about?
[19:11]	matey	someone on social media asked why there were so many 
[19:11]	matey	Bohdan had other things to worry about? <- of course
[19:11]	matey	but its on a website dedicated to defending stallman
[19:11]	matey	and i think the article does make points that achieve that purpose. im not saying its entirely off topic
[19:12]	matey	only it could have made the connection a little more clear (in a perfect world-- which it was obviously not written from!)
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[19:12]	matey	i mean the perfect world prerequisite would make the whole letter moot wouldnt it
[19:12]	matey	it would be a perfect world
[19:12]	matey	so no need
[19:13]	matey	i certainly dont take offense to it
[19:13]	matey	its a minor shame (by comparison, its a non-issue)
[19:13]	matey	but he does say:
[19:13]	matey	"human rights and peace, Freedom in every possible meaning."
[19:13]	matey	and that if nothing else makes it relevant
[19:13]	matey	to the topic of the website, imo
[19:14]	TR News	Linux distro for Apple silicon Macs is already up and running on the brand-new M2 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167377#comment-34382
[19:14]	TR Bot	 Asahi Linux adds support for Macs with M2 chips | Tux Machines
[19:14]	matey	the connection is clear enough
[19:14]	matey	i wish it were just slightly more explicit about it
[19:14]	matey	but its an imperfect world, of course
[19:14]	matey	i certainly wouldnt write him to complain 
[19:14]	TR News	Rocky Linux 9 and its new build service enter the ring http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167237#comment-34381
[19:14]	TR Bot	 Rocky Linux 9 Officially Released with GNOME 40 Desktop, Improved Security | Tux Machines
[19:14]	matey	that would be like the angry note left on the windshield of an ambulance for double parking
[19:15]	matey	(when the ambulance is on duty)
[19:15]	matey	i also notice he spells it kyiv
[19:16]	XRevan86	matey: Ye may have noticed I also spell everything this way.
[19:16]	matey	as someone who only uses cyrillic via cut and paste, id be most likely to use the spelling of whomever i most admire (and preferably a native to the region obviously)
[19:16]	XRevan86	now
[19:16]	matey	you use kyiv as well?
[19:16]	XRevan86	yes
[19:16]	matey	oh, well
[19:16]	matey	that does settle it
[19:16]	matey	^ not sarcasm
[19:17]	matey	between you and this guy, its as good as consensus
[19:17]	matey	with him, its simple admiration
[19:17]	matey	with you, its your mercilous attention to detail
[19:17]	XRevan86	It's pretty obvious what spelling variant is going to settle, and if the decision is final, is there even a point in prescriptivist arguments against?
[19:17]	matey	and if the decision is final <- i mean, its a bit like trans pronouns
[19:17]	matey	language is finally settled by its speakers
[19:18]	XRevan86	It's like trying to spell it "iland" even though no one else does.
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[19:18]	matey	whats wrong with a silent s?
[19:18]	matey	(or an ilant s)
[19:18]	matey	(yes this is completely inaccurate, its also a joke)
[19:18]	XRevan86	matey: It's only there in conflation with "isle".
[19:18]	matey	ilse?
[19:19]	matey	actually
[19:19]	matey	island is very accurate
[19:19]	matey	it IS LAND
[19:19]	XRevan86	matey: "isle" has an "s", so the English spellers have put an "s" into "iland".
[19:19]	matey	serious question: when was it ever iland?
[19:19]	XRevan86	matey: In Middle English
[19:19]	matey	thats terrible
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[19:20]	matey	/me blames them for ipods, ipads, etc
[19:20]	matey	ispods
[19:20]	XRevan86	matey: Hypercorrection at its finest.
[19:20]	matey	ess-soda
[19:20]	XRevan86	Happens all the time: octopi, meese, et al.
[19:21]	matey	yeah i did octopi on some 
[19:21]	matey	oh yes
[19:21]	matey	spartaci :)
[19:21]	XRevan86	Irregular forms that are just made up on analogy.
[19:21]	matey	if all of them were spartacus
[19:21]	matey	that means they were all spartaci
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[19:21]	matey	heil elephant!
[19:21]	matey	but not really
[19:21]	XRevan86	matey: That doesn't work because it's actually true :)
[19:21]	matey	That doesn't work because it's actually tru <- well, fuck
[19:22]	matey	out of curiosity, why would that be the correct pluralisation?
[19:22]	XRevan86	matey: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Spartacus#Latin Because Latin.
[19:22]	TR Bot	 Spartacus - Wiktionary
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[19:23]	matey	latin: because simple languages are no fun (not true)
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[19:23]	XRevan86	English is that kind of language that loans the plural declension too (sometimes).
[19:23]	matey	english is basically calvinball
[19:24]	matey	it does have some rules, i think
[19:24]	TR News	KAIST Shows Off DirectCXL Disaggregated Memory Prototype https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/07/18/kaist-shows-off-directcxl-disaggregated-memory-prototype/ Source: nextplatform | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.nextplatform.com/2022/07/18/kaist-shows-off-directcxl-disaggregated-memory-prototype/
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[19:24]	matey	at least sometimes
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[19:24]	matey	english has rules, you know
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[19:24]	matey	because if you dont have them-- you cant break them
[19:24]	XRevan86	No other declensions though, otherwise "I saw Spartacum, so I gave Spartaco a jelly baby"
[19:25]	matey	ah yes, hello spartacus-- would you care for a jelly baby?
[19:25]	TR News	AYANEO just declared WAR on SteamOS (Plus other Deck news) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=RLHuxNAlElo Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//yewtu.be/watch?v=RLHuxNAlElo
[19:25]	TR Bot	 AYANEO just declared WAR on SteamOS (Plus other Deck news) - Invidious
[19:25]	XRevan86	No, that would be "Hello, Spartace" :)
[19:25]	matey	or the earliest example of "if youre going to bring candy you have to share it with everyone"
[19:26]	matey	now youre just being a smartace
[19:26]	matey	 :)
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[19:26]	XRevan86	matey: techrights-news received malformed line because of that pun.
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[19:26]	XRevan86	Not the only one.
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[19:27]	TR News	"The 'column' command is a standard command line utility that is part of the util-linux package. What 'column' does is takes input and adds columns to the output. This is especially useful for files that have field separator characters like CSV files." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=NK3kbL7Mipc
[19:27]	TR Bot	 Display file contents in columns with the "column" command - Invidious
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[19:28]	schestowitz	Linux User Space: Episode 3:02: The Utopic Tale of Ubuntu https://www.linuxuserspace.show/302 Source: linuxuserspace   "Linux User Space
[19:28]	TR Bot	 Linux User Space: Episode 3:02: The Utopic Tale of Ubuntu
[19:28]	schestowitz	 A podcast focused on connecting user space and community
[19:29]	schestowitz	"
[19:37]	TR News	What a dumb headline. Like ChromeOS, this one too uses Linux. https://windowsreport.com/steam-tesla/
[19:37]	TR Bot	 Steam is no longer just for Windows, Mac, and Linux users
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[19:40]	TR News	Another listening device https://www.addictivetips.com/android/what-is-bixby-home/
[19:40]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.addictivetips.com/android/what-is-bixby-home/ )
[19:41]	TR News	Is Ubuntu a bad Linux Distro? - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=nmBT7nmonFY Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//yewtu.be/watch?v=nmBT7nmonFY
[19:41]	TR Bot	 Is Ubuntu a bad Linux Distro? - Invidious
[19:41]	SomeH4x0r	things are getting worse
[19:42]	TR News	More spying https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/07/facebook-is-now-encrypting-links-to-prevent-url-stripping.html
[19:42]	TR Bot	Is Now Encrypting Links to Prevent URL Stripping - Schneier on Security
[19:50]	AdmFubar	this one is for you roy!   https://xkcd.com/2647/
[19:50]	TR Bot	Capri Suns
[19:52]	TR News	WWW better off avoided where possible https://www.ghacks.net/2022/07/17/facebook-has-started-to-encrypt-links-to-counter-privacy-improving-url-stripping/
[19:52]	TR Bot	 Facebook has started to encrypt links to counter privacy-improving URL Stripping - gHacks Tech News
[19:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	AdmFubar: thanks
[19:56]	TR News	GNU Health - News: GNU Health project to implement REUSE compliance [Savannah] http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=10208 Source: savannah | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?http%3A//savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=10208
[19:56]	TR Bot	 GNU Health - News: GNU Health project to implement REUSE compliance [Savannah]
[19:56]	AdmFubar	y/w
[19:56]	AdmFubar	;)
[19:56]	TR News	You know a slow news day when... https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ben-Widawsky-Leaves-Intel
[19:56]	TR Bot	Longtime Intel Linux Engineer Joins Google - Phoronix
[19:57]	AdmFubar	https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/fleeceware-apps-overcharge-users-for-basic-app-functionality.421439/
[19:57]	TR Bot	 Fleeceware apps overcharge users for basic app functionality | Wilders Security Forums
[19:58]	TR News	todays howtos Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167382
[19:58]	TR News	Videos: Ubuntu, Column, Linux User Space, AYANEO Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167383
[19:58]	TR Bot	 today''s howtos | Tux Machines
[19:58]	TR Bot	 Videos: Ubuntu, Column, Linux User Space, AYANEO | Tux Machines
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[20:02]	TR News	stalld: v1.17 https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/utils/stalld/stalld.git/commit/?h=main&id=bcfd1604eea2619d9919dadef7562967a60d06d3
[20:02]	TR Bot	 stalld/stalld.git - daemon to detect stalled threads and temporarily boost for forward progress
[20:06]	TR News	xfs: improve CIL scalability https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/fs/xfs/xfs-linux.git/commit/?h=xfs-5.20-merge&id=dd81dc05598c3028666d00709ef0810aa459bf8d
[20:06]	TR Bot	 xfs/xfs-linux.git - XFS kernel development tree
[20:06]	TR News	"A recent snafu where Intel ignored upstream feedback on a firmware change, led to a late rc6 fix being required. In order to avoid this in the future we should document some expectations around linux-firmware." https://lore.kernel.org/all/20220718072144.2699487-1-airlied@gmail.com/T/#u
[20:06]	TR Bot	 [PATCH] docs: driver-api: firmware: add driver firmware guidelines.
[20:07]	TR News	Live Raizo 13.22.07.17 is out https://sourceforge.net/projects/live-raizo/
[20:07]	TR Bot	Raizo - Linux for Virtual SysAdmin download | SourceForge.net
[20:08]	TR News	Emmabunts de5-alpha0 is also out https://emmabuntus.org/
[20:08]	TR Bot	 Emmabunts Collectif pour le remploi des ordinateurs et distribution Linux base sur Debian
[20:09]	TR News	"Missed it and was looking up Trisquel when I saw this in the threads. Appears Poeterring left RH for M$." https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=4175714699&goto=newpost
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[20:10]	TR News	Public Knowledge Urges Congress To Swiftly Move New Net Neutrality Bill Forward - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-urges-congress-to-swiftly-move-new-net-neutrality-bill-forward/ Source: publicknowledge
[20:10]	TR Bot	 Public Knowledge Urges Congress To Swiftly Move New Net Neutrality Bill Forward - Public Knowledge
[20:12]	TR News	"gem-compare v1.2.0, new contributors, and 200+ GitHub starts. My little RubyGems plugin got some new contributions. Read the v1.0 announcement to know whats the gem about." https://nts.strzibny.name/gem-compare-new-contributors/
[20:12]	TR Bot	 gem-compare's new contributors
[20:13]	TR News	15 Free Coding Games To Learn Programming for Beginners https://www.ubuntupit.com/free-coding-games-to-learn-programming/ Source: UbuntuPIT | GNU | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.ubuntupit.com/free-coding-games-to-learn-programming/
[20:13]	TR Bot	 15 Free Coding Games To Learn Programming for Beginners
[20:15]	TR News	Top 10 Free and Professional Video Editors in 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167384
[20:15]	TR Bot	 Top 10 Free and Professional Video Editors in 2022 | Tux Machines
[20:16]	TR News	"It is hot. It will keep getting hotter in the coming years. Enjoy the coolest summer youll ever have. Not much else to say." https://rakudoweekly.blog/2022/07/18/2022-29-hot/
[20:17]	TR Bot	 2022.29 Hot Rakudo Weekly News
[20:20]	AdmFubar	https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/18/electrical_engineers_extinction/
[20:20]	TR Bot	 Engineers on brink of extinction threaten entire ecosystems The Register
[20:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	ecosystems
[20:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	?
[20:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	they burn energy
[20:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	that ruins the real ecosystems
[20:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	marketing metaophrs
[20:28]	AdmFubar	that is electrical engineers...
[20:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	fossil econsystem
[20:31]	elephant	theregister.com is a pain to read with a text-browser
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[20:34]	TR News	Debian Takes Money From Microsoft - an Epic Mistake | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/debconf22-welcomes-microsoft/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/debconf22-welcomes-microsoft/
[20:34]	TR Bot	 Debian Takes Money From Microsoft an Epic Mistake | Techrights
[20:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	elephant:  gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https://www.theregister.com/
[20:34]	TR Bot	 The Register: Enterprise Technology News and Analysis
[20:35]	elephant	thanks
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[20:36]	TR News	"Our lives continute to be quite busy here at Rob's Gemini Capsule. I can't promise that my log hiatus will end soon, though I think I will be able to post a few more log entries this week." Our lives continute to be quite busy here at Rob's Gemini Capsule. I can't promise that my log hiatus will end soon, though I think I will be able to post a few more log entries this week. I
[20:36]	TR News	"Our lives continute to be quite busy here at Rob's Gemini Capsule. I can't promise that my log hiatus will end soon, though I think I will be able to post a few more log entries this week." gemini://jsreed5.org/log/2022/202207/20220718-2022-week-26-27-28-photos.gmi
[20:38]	TR News	Microsoft is already in third E, Extinguish. But I don't think it can succeed. It'll try anyway, riding the bailout money from Trump and Biden in an effort to hijack the competition or mess it up.
[20:38]	psydroid2	is Microsoft succeeding at all?
[20:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	in some regards
[20:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	but it relies on
[20:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	1) gov. money
[20:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	(taxpayers)
[20:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	2) defrauding shareholders
[20:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	gamblking with their moiney to buy compnaies
[20:41]	elephant	wake up, there isn't no free software no more
[20:43]	elephant	what GNU/FSF are selling, hooks development manpower behind Pentagon IBM Wintel computers
[20:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	will somebody think of the poor sizxels!
[20:46]	elephant	there isn't no free software/hardware to terminate VT100 at least, with 640x480 16color graphics
[20:47]	elephant	and i haven't got the time yet nor the equipment to review the gigatron native assembly sources for their ROM
[20:47]	elephant	if this doesn't pass, then there is nothing
[20:48]	elephant	the fact, thousands of competent idealists are lured into the GNU/FSF freedom scam, this makes it worse
[20:50]	elephant	besides, Verilog/HDL too are Software
[20:50]	elephant	this originated in the DoD too, in parallel to the 1984 semiconductor protection act
[20:51]	elephant	corrupt criminals
[20:51]	elephant	intel
[20:52]	TR News	[Meme] EPO Management Coming Out of the Closet | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/epo-skeletons-in-the-closet/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/epo-skeletons-in-the-closet/
[20:52]	TR Bot	 [Meme] EPO Management Coming Out of the Closet | Techrights
[20:55]	elephant	meanwhile i ditched the idea to depend on Z80 and most microcontrollers alike, because of SDCC (small device c compiler), which is written in c++
[20:56]	elephant	such compiler, there won't be any chance ever, to port this onto a z80 itself as a self-hosting development environment
[20:56]	elephant	don't know, on whose payroll the developers were, and which management dictated such decisions
[20:57]	elephant	the only benefit Z80 has, is introductory literature available for low level programming
[20:58]	elephant	and there is another problem, as soon as high-freqency analog and digital circuitry is involved...
[20:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.10 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.58 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[20:59]	elephant	such measurement equipment, which is capable for anything in 100Mhz and GHz range, that's both expensive and all of it proprietary locked down
[20:59]	elephant	logic analyzers, digital scopes, all that, even when it's free as in free, it's not fast enough then
[20:59]	TR News	Links 18/07/2022: Alpine 3.16.1 Released | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/alpine-3-16-1-released/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/alpine-3-16-1-released/
[20:59]	TR Bot	 Links 18/07/2022: Alpine 3.16.1 Released | Techrights
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[21:00]	elephant	however, with a Gigatron TTL or Z80 clocked at a few MHz, chances some cheapo gear suffices then
[21:02]	TR News	Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167385
[21:02]	TR Bot	 Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
[21:04]	TR News	Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167386
[21:04]	TR Bot	 Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
[21:09]		*elephant watching movie "no country for old men"
[21:09]	elephant	maybe coincidence, texas instruments and their TTL7400 series
[21:09]	elephant	which have another benefit: long-term supply of those!!!
[21:09]	TR News	AnsibleFest 2022 registration is now open https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/ansiblefest-2022-registration-now-open Source: Red Hat | ICBM | GNU | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.redhat.com/en/blog/ansiblefest-2022-registration-now-open
[21:09]	TR Bot	 AnsibleFest 2022 registration is now open
[21:10]	elephant	because often, particular hardware isn't available long-term, to mention one example which isn't the best: allwinner pinebook laptop
[21:10]	elephant	if i began to tailor some fimrware for this? few month later it's outdated again...
[21:11]	TR News	CentOS Community Newsletter... as if it is still a community :-( https://blog.centos.org/2022/07/centos-community-newsletter-july-2022/
[21:11]	TR Bot	Community Newsletter, July 2022 Blog.CentOS.org
[21:11]	elephant	yet, as long as Z80 or TTL7400 parts are available, to assemble some computer from... homebrew... 50 years
[21:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	are you trying to assemble a secure toolchain forn /oppressed' nazis?
[21:12]	elephant	huh?
[21:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	why use such old hardware?
[21:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	you were not even born when it was last made
[21:13]	elephant	the gigatron isn't old, it was published 2019
[21:13]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/18/gm-is-in-very-serious-financial-trouble-and-thinks-that-the-solution-is-to-force-every-new-buick-and-gmc-owner-into-a-1500-three-year-onstar-subscription/
[21:13]	TR Bot	 GM is in very serious financial trouble and thinks that the solution is to force every new Buick and GMC owner into a $1500 three year OnStar subscription BaronHK's Rants
[21:13]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2], ^
[21:13]	elephant	and various Z80 SBC are rather new too
[21:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	DaemonFC: they remove features
[21:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	then sell them back to you
[21:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	as annual fees
[21:13]	DaemonFC	OnStar though, LOL
[21:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	you don't know what you're getting with a new car anymore
[21:14]	DaemonFC	Mom didn't even want it when it was uncommon to have a cell phone.
[21:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	they can also jack up the price
[21:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	for you to use what you already have
[21:14]	DaemonFC	I was 19 when mom bought the 2003 Impala.
[21:14]	DaemonFC	It still runs, you know.
[21:14]	DaemonFC	She has it again.
[21:15]	TR News	"Its been a hot July week in Amsterdam, and I expect hotter days are still to come. I wish air conditioning was more popular in Europe, but alas. This month of FOSS development enjoyed a lot of small improvements in a lot of different projects." https://drewdevault.com/2022/07/18/Status-update-July-2022.html
[21:15]	TR Bot	 Status update, July 2022
[21:15]	DaemonFC	It came with an OnStar subscription for 6 months.
[21:15]	DaemonFC	She said she wasn't keeping it.
[21:15]	DaemonFC	I noticed her hitting the blue button and an operator picked up and asked who you wanted to call.
[21:15]	DaemonFC	And she was calling her husband with it.
[21:15]	TR News	"Happy Monday, everyone -- lets review the Apache communitys activities from the past week..." https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-news-round-up264
[21:15]	TR Bot	 The Apache News Round-up: week ending 15 July 2022 : The Apache Software Foundation Blog
[21:15]	elephant	DaemonFC: how is this related to the recent GNU/FSF freedom scam talk?
[21:16]	DaemonFC	And I said "That's pretty cool I guess, how much is it?" and she says "I'm just using it because it's a free trial that came with the car, but it's like $80 a month if you want it after that."
[21:17]	DaemonFC	I said, "Gee, that's pretty stupid. I have this Nokia phone from Sprint and it goes with me everywhere and I get 850 minutes a month that roll over, and that only costs me $35.".
[21:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	they know you don't use it
[21:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	like the "unlimited" scam
[21:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	they sell more than you can poissibly use
[21:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	i once had a grlfriend who would phone talking about rubbish for hours
[21:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	I asked why
[21:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	she said she had loads of 'free' minutes
[21:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	soi they emnd up talking more than they typically would
[21:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	just to feel like they get their money's worth
[21:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	even if there's nothing important to say
[21:18]	DaemonFC	Well, obviously the phone didn't run apps back then so I didn't have Grindr.
[21:19]	elephant	anyway, what you get with FSF/GNU/Linux/BSD is this: free software with a termination cycle of a few month each
[21:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	DaemonFC: the problem was not the phgone
[21:19]	DaemonFC	The whole thing was pretty inefficient. You had to get on a Yahoo room called Indiana M4M and then there were all these spam bots and pedos in there, it was revolting. So I came up with a method of moderating the room myself.
[21:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	it was the rubbish
[21:19]	DaemonFC	I found some programs that took advantage of bugs in YIM to force them off the Chat server.
[21:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	and the "free" plan made an extra incentive to talk rubbish for longer
[21:20]	DaemonFC	And it would block spammers and automatically return a "boot" command to them.
[21:20]	DaemonFC	I also found some bugs in MSN Chat's ActiveX control.
[21:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	activex..
[21:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	shudders
[21:20]	DaemonFC	I couldn't get anyone at Microsoft to fix it, so I knocked their entire chat server offline.
[21:20]	DaemonFC	To make a point.
[21:21]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz[TR2]> activex..
[21:21]	DaemonFC	Yeah, I found a way to get ActiveX to work in Opera.
[21:22]	DaemonFC	You grabbed their NPAPI plug-in that piped ActiveX controls to Netscape and either dropped it in the Netscape plugins folder or Opera's, and it worked there too, even though they didn't mention Opera.
[21:22]	DaemonFC	I didn't use it that way for long, though.
[21:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	elephant: not even free software is good is you plan to transmit illegal "contewnt" in your country
[21:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	*if
[21:23]	DaemonFC	If you removed IE, everything about it was gone, including the ability for anything on the computer to use ActiveX.
[21:23]	elephant	i say GNU/FSF etc. aren't free as in free as in free
[21:23]	DaemonFC	For the hell of it, I tried out some old versions of IE, 1 and 2.
[21:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	actiiiivex... and sjvn: microsoft is '/"Linux company" now
[21:23]	DaemonFC	In 1998 they still rendered sites for the most part.
[21:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	still can't get past the idiocy of what he said
[21:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	seems like Microsoft propaganda finds new routes
[21:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	and they bribe debian again
[21:23]	elephant	it is a marketing scam pushed, to lure competent development manpower into Pentagon IBM Wintel
[21:23]	DaemonFC	SJVN is their backup Dr. Pizza.
[21:24]	DaemonFC	They needed someone who probably won't be busted as a pedo to repackage their spam.
[21:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	I'd still choose Pentagon IBM Wintel over nazism
[21:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	DaemonFC: ouch
[21:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	DaemonFC: it wasn't his first time
[21:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	something is not right
[21:25]	elephant	schestowitz[TR2]: finally the mindset and idiocy unveiled in here
[21:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	right
[21:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	you
[21:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	because  Pentagon IBM Wintel did noit killed 50 million europeans
[21:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	IBM helped them a bit
[21:25]	elephant	right, they killed many more
[21:26]	elephant	and didn't loose power over it, after 15 years
[21:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	they kiled a lot of those who started the war
[21:26]	elephant	then, who started it?
[21:26]	elephant	and what?
[21:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	WW1 Geermany
[21:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	reperations
[21:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	then germany agaaaaaaain
[21:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	\
[21:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	*reparations 
[21:27]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2], "Richard Stallmans political notes said yet again, and hes very, very wrong btw, that interest rates should remain low. Hes following some splogs that pose as news sites, where Paul Krugman passes as an economist.
[21:27]	DaemonFC	Stallman repeatedly and incorrectly asserts that hyperinflation will help the poor. Wrong. Cheap money flows to the rich and creates moral hazards. It does things like propping up asset bubbles, even as the economy sheds jobs.
[21:27]	DaemonFC	Right now, were watching a massive (and I must say hilarious) correction in the cryptocurrency market, just months after Matt Damons Super Bowl ads. My Savings Account is paying out 2.5 times as much interest as it as two months ago. We need to get inflation under control and reward people for prudently managing their finances.
[21:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	your "homeland"
[21:27]	DaemonFC	I dont see the jobs market being affected very much by rising interest rates. What I do see being taken away, stolen, from workers, is their ability to use their paychecks to buy food and housing. And that has to stop!
[21:27]	DaemonFC	One of the outcomes of wasteful government spending and years of low interest rates is that when I wanted a nicer used car, I had to pay $8,000, for one that needed work.
[21:27]	DaemonFC	Stallman ignores actual problems like this and argues that the Fed should just throw more cheap money everywhere."
[21:27]	DaemonFC	Stallman on inflation.
[21:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	RMS has not worked properly since age 30
[21:27]	elephant	schestowitz[TR2]: you are aware, 70% of the NAZI SA street mob were communists (beefsteak nazis)?
[21:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	he has done gnu since then
[21:27]	elephant	i mean, if you want to swing the red banner over software, go for it
[21:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	and lived in his offince until the last 90s
[21:28]	elephant	anyway, GNU/FSF are a scam
[21:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	financial advise from someone holed up in an MIT office and living on grants is not one that's applicable to me, personally
[21:28]	elephant	to sell IBM Wintel Pentagon crap "made in usa"
[21:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	that's nonsense
[21:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	maybe you heard that in some nazi-infested pub
[21:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	that blames "communists" for germany invading countries
[21:30]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[21:30]	elephant	let's get back to tech? how about that? and see to who and what FSF/GNU etc. who they really are?
[21:30]	TR News	Pitivi GSoC: 2nd Update https://www.aryank.in/posts/2022-07-18-pitivi-gsoc-2nd-update/
[21:30]	TR Bot	 
[21:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	elephant: you can post in techpol if you must about politics
[21:32]	elephant	schestowitz[TR2]: you posted politics, not me
[21:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	me? I worried about your poolitical views here
[21:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	like pro-putin nonsense
[21:32]	MinceR	18 222823 < elephant> to sell IBM Wintel Pentagon crap "made in usa"
[21:32]	MinceR	yeah, it's not like windows runs on them... oh wait
[21:32]	elephant	schestowitz[TR2]: i am NOT pro-putin
[21:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	you are
[21:32]	elephant	yet i do NOT follow the insane propaganda lies and crap, again "made in usa"
[21:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	you think putin needs to liberae germany
[21:33]	MinceR	do we really look _that_ gullible?
[21:33]	elephant	i think germany ceased to exist, decades ago
[21:33]	SomeH4x0r	one of the Germanies did
[21:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	you live in another dimension
[21:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	the world has moved on
[21:33]	elephant	and it is ruled by atlantic bridge minions and criminals
[21:33]	elephant	who serve the interests, again, of IBM Wintel Pentagon and their spying, looting and plundering
[21:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	the germany you missed caused misery to everyone, inc. its own people
[21:34]	MinceR	strange, i was told the germanies merged
[21:34]	TR News	Debian has resumed taking bribes from Microsoft after a year or two without that; that does not inspire much confidence in the direction or the judgment of the leaders, who are unable to recognise a company that attacks GNU/Linux more viciously than any other company http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/debconf22-welcomes-microsoft/
[21:34]	TR Bot	 Debian Takes Money From Microsoft an Epic Mistake | Techrights
[21:34]	SomeH4x0r	I'm not sure if they "merged", more like one ceased to exist, and the other one took its land
[21:34]	TR News	As rulings against the EPO pile up (violations of fundamental rights) the EPOs Web site, basically a barrage of lies, wont age well like a human locked up inside a closet http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/epo-skeletons-in-the-closet/
[21:34]	TR Bot	 [Meme] EPO Management Coming Out of the Closet | Techrights
[21:34]	elephant	it ceased to exist entirely
[21:34]	SomeH4x0r	at least, looking at their names
[21:34]	elephant	there isn't no germany anymore, it's long gone
[21:35]	elephant	although, that's not the technical arguments to be made about USA, GNU and FSF, and who they really are
[21:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	east germany ceased to exist when you were 10
[21:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	so maybe you just mis your childhood
[21:35]	elephant	wrong again
[21:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	not the "olld" germany
[21:35]	elephant	east germany ceased to exist 1945
[21:35]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz[TR2]> RMS has not worked properly since age 30
[21:35]	elephant	the area of the democratic republic was central germany
[21:35]	DaemonFC	Stallman has plenty of money and lives cheaply.
[21:35]	elephant	get the facts first, before talking
[21:36]	DaemonFC	So he's probably not in tune with what a lot of people go through.
[21:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	yeah
[21:36]	elephant	and i would rather want to talk about technical facts, and USA and GNU and FSF
[21:36]	elephant	and what they do
[21:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	to put it crusely
[21:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	he's a friend
[21:36]	MinceR	18 223442 < SomeH4x0r> I'm not sure if they "merged", more like one ceased to exist, and the other one took its land
[21:36]	elephant	and who they are, and their methods
[21:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	but on fiscal issues he can be out of touch
[21:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	because of his way of living
[21:36]	MinceR	i don't recall any protests against taking that land at the time
[21:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	not evceyone gets medals and grants/awards
[21:36]	DaemonFC	I'm absolutely furious about the inflation.
[21:36]	DaemonFC	I'm in the demographic Stallman insists it is helping.
[21:37]	MinceR	hi absolutely furious about the inflation, i'm dad
[21:37]	DaemonFC	It doesn't help when every time I do a grocery order it's several percent more expensive than the last time.
[21:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	btw, price of eggs here SOARED
[21:37]	DaemonFC	Sometimes eggs go up $1-2 per box since the last time you looked, a couple months ago.
[21:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	it must means severe shortage
[21:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	we checked tow shops
[21:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	one today also... it'll like a 70% increase in a month
[21:37]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2], The price came down and I bought 120 eggs when it did.
[21:38]	DaemonFC	They're good in the fridge for like 4 months.
[21:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	RMS would be livid if he had ato make a living stocking shelves
[21:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	he was an OS eng/coder
[21:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	and then activist/hacktissst
[21:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	coder
[21:38]	elephant	United Kingdom and their way of "freedom" are another historical peace of a joke second to none
[21:38]	elephant	piece
[21:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	nobody is perfect
[21:39]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2], He said once "I could make a living as a waiter.".
[21:39]	DaemonFC	O RLY?
[21:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	he would act tactless imho
[21:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	and make jokes
[21:39]	DaemonFC	Let's give him a job at Golden Corral busing tables.
[21:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	but he could work as many things
[21:39]	DaemonFC	Yeah, he wouldn't last long.
[21:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	not for a high salary
[21:39]	DaemonFC	The low pay, hard work, long hours.
[21:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	unless he did coding
[21:39]	DaemonFC	Customers being cheap and not leaving him tips.
[21:40]	DaemonFC	Then he'd say something and be fired on his first day.
[21:40]	elephant	schestowitz[TR2]: why not take this to -social or techpol so i can talk about FSF/GNU/Pentagon and their methods?
[21:40]	DaemonFC	I walked into the "saying things, getting written up" at Walmart a couple times.
[21:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	I agree
[21:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	we're open to anything
[21:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	just in the right channels
[21:40]	DaemonFC	And it was funnier than hell, what I said, or just something that I said in casual conversation without thinking about.
[21:40]	DaemonFC	If one person in the room is offended, it doesn't matter if 100 people laugh.
[21:40]	DaemonFC	You get punished.
[21:41]	DaemonFC	So you learn to keep your mouth shut. And I don't think RMS would do that.
[21:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	it dpeends
[21:41]	DaemonFC	To keep a job where he averages minimum wage or so.
[21:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's aboutboundaries and risk
[21:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	if you are pooor
[21:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	or in debt
[21:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	you tend to not rock the boat
[21:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	I've worked since age 14 or 15
[21:42]	DaemonFC	Pretty much. One thing they impress on you in probation is that you shouldn't have any police contact or you can end up back in court.
[21:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	14 if you count babisitting
[21:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	I might leave my job by year's end
[21:42]	DaemonFC	The last place you want to be is back in court, so you learn never to talk to the police, even if you're the victim of crime.
[21:42]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22070926
[21:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	but rising living costs are a problem now
[21:42]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984940327746015332/995204741581783050/a72403fa3ca7de08bedc402a24c5cd9c.png created on 2022-07-09 07:50:21.824280
[21:42]	DaemonFC	"Just let it go. Remember what they did to you last time?"
[21:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	DaemonFC: not the boot on the neck is heavier
[21:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	with inflation
[21:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	people barely find jobs
[21:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	or make ends meet
[21:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	10 hours a week is not a job per se
[21:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	yoiu cannot live on that
[21:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's a token "job"
[21:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	to game the statictics
[21:43]	DaemonFC	You make some money and then your landlord comes and takes it.
[21:43]	MinceR	depends on how much they pat :>
[21:43]	MinceR	s/pat/pay/
[21:43]	DaemonFC	Or the government.
[21:43]	DaemonFC	Or both.
[21:43]	DaemonFC	They're actually talking about taxing us for not having kids now.
[21:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	MinceR: less relative to the expenses
[21:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	unless you got a 10% pay rise tis year
[21:44]	DaemonFC	Like, "You're going to pay whether you have some or not.".
[21:44]	DaemonFC	The tax for not having kids was something the Soviet Union did.
[21:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	financial benefits of kids are massisvely outweighed by costs 
[21:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	sure, you can share a roof with them
[21:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	but they still have many expenses
[21:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	that scale linearly
[21:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	spouse working is better as it lowers relative household tax on income
[21:45]	DaemonFC	https://money.cnn.com/2014/04/07/pf/taxes/childless-parents-taxes/index.html
[21:45]	TR Bot	 Should people without kids pay higher taxes?
[21:45]	DaemonFC	The government already spends about $100 billion just through the IRS propping people with kids up at everyone else's expense.
[21:45]	TR News	Wow, clickfraud spamnil sure is promoting proprietary garbage today
[21:46]	DaemonFC	Now they want an additional line item that punishes me as well.
[21:46]	MinceR	Should people who suggest that people without kids should pay higher taxes pay higher taxes?
[21:46]	DaemonFC	That $100 billion doesn't even include all the welfare they get.
[21:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	DaemonFC: maybe billG can subsidise the kids' FGM and penis-cutting
[21:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	since they love kids so much
[21:47]	DaemonFC	Bill donates $20 BILLion to genital mutilating foundation.
[21:47]	DaemonFC	"I don't want to die with all this money when there's still tiny dicks to cut and tiny arms for COVID shots to go into!" said Uncle Bill.
[21:48]	TR News	When it is Windows CISA does not even name Windows or Microsoft. This is selective attention. https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/07/18/cisa-updates-advisory-cyber-actors-continued-exploitation
[21:48]	TR Bot	 CISA Updates Advisory on Cyber Actors Continued Exploitation of Log4Shell in VMware Horizon Systems | CISA
[21:48]	DaemonFC	He went after Africans and told them if they got circumcised there would be "no risk" of getting HIV.
[21:48]	TR News	xkcd: Capri Suns https://xkcd.com/2647/ Source: xkcd | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//xkcd.com/2647/
[21:48]	TR Bot	Capri Suns
[21:48]	DaemonFC	Everyone I know with HIV is circumcised.
[21:50]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2], What's just as bad as Stallman arguing for inflationary policies, is that the article he links to calls on state governments to hire back over 350,000 government "workers" they got rid of.
[21:50]	DaemonFC	I haven't noticed any changes in my life from having less government workers eating up my tax dollars.
[21:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	if theya re not employed
[21:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	are you better off?
[21:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	many people who are broke resort to petty crime
[21:51]	DaemonFC	I read an article about a woman who worked for the Illinois stage government that did nothing all day except shop on Amazon and use the office printer to print her receipts.
[21:51]	DaemonFC	*state
[21:52]	DaemonFC	I read that this isn't even unusual.
[21:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	happens in private sector
[21:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	0I saw it
[21:52]	DaemonFC	In another case, a Township paid $85,000 to one of the Board's relatives to come shovel a small parking lot that winter that the Township Board members parked at.
[21:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	that article mioght be by oligarchs-0owned medioa
[21:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	the "small gov." bs
[21:53]	DaemonFC	You can get on an app and arrange to have the lot parked for about $60 each time it snows that winter, which would have cost them less than $1,000.
[21:53]	DaemonFC	*lot shoveled
[21:53]	DaemonFC	Government has no incentive to preserve tax money when they can just dole it out to themselves, their family members, their criminal friends, the crooked unions, and take more of your money.
[21:54]	TR News	Never rely on Gulag https://dasublogbyprashanth.blogspot.com/2022/07/follow-up-some-recent-troubles-with.html
[21:54]	TR Bot	 Das U-Blog by Prashanth: FOLLOW-UP: Some Recent Troubles with pCloud and Google Chat
[21:54]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2], State of ILL always wants more.
[21:54]	DaemonFC	They're like the church as carlin described it, except you can't tell them fuck off or they'll put you in jail.
[21:55]	TR News	PopOS is SPECIAL, and Im moving to it, heres why! - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Cs4QRBm0C_8 Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//yewtu.be/watch?v=Cs4QRBm0C_8
[21:55]	TR Bot	 PopOS is SPECIAL, and I'm moving to it, here's why! - Invidious
[21:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	DaemonFC: because you are on their gris
[21:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	water, power
[21:56]	MinceR	short bus special
[21:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	if you live in the foirest, they will leave you alone
[21:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	but you will likely need them
[21:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	mediiiiicine, heat...
[21:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	esp. in IL
[21:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	or you get ILL
[21:56]	TR News	"In this video, I am going to show an overview of Rocky Linux 9.0 and some of the applications pre-installed." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=z2Y4jQ-eTjY
[21:56]	TR Bot	 Rocky Linux 9.0 overview | Enterprise Linux, the community way. - Invidious
[21:57]	elephant	anyway, GNU/FSF with their freedom marketing scam do this: they source development manpower for IBM Wintel Pentagon USA, for 0Cash in return payed
[21:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	I use their sw free of charge
[21:57]	elephant	and those developoer who prove to be sufficiently corrupt may end up on the payroll of Pentagon USA to serve their military industrial complex
[21:57]	MinceR	does that waffle thing even work with invidious?
[21:57]	TR News	How to Install ownCloud on Ubuntu 22.04 - RoseHosting https://www.rosehosting.com/blog/how-to-install-owncloud-on-ubuntu-22-04/ Source: rosehosting | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.rosehosting.com/blog/how-to-install-owncloud-on-ubuntu-22-04/
[21:57]	TR Bot	to Install ownCloud on Ubuntu 22.04 - RoseHosting
[21:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	MinceR: partly
[21:58]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz[TR2]> mediiiiicine, heat...
[21:58]	elephant	schestowitz[TR2]: then you are supporting Nazism? aren't you?
[21:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	you have to press another link in there
[21:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	let me fix this, MinceR 
[21:58]	DaemonFC	It took them 1 year to process my Medicaid paperwork.
[21:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	there is a proper youtube url    for gemini
[21:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	that lets you download
[21:58]		*schestowitz[TR2] codes a little
[21:58]	DaemonFC	When I went in there, the state worker told me it was taking so long because I should vote for a Democrat.
[21:58]	DaemonFC	Then they went in another room to vote on whether or not they'd strike and close down the office.
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[21:59]	DaemonFC	It's illegal for a state worker to tell you how to vote or pass out election materials in a public office, but they did.
● Jul 18
[22:00]	DaemonFC	Then they went and held a strike vote to see if they'd just close down and leave everyone who needed food and medical care stranded outside the building until someone paid them even more to come to work in their Naruto pajamas.
[22:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	base url gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/
[22:10]	DaemonFC	https://www.reddit.com/r/bipolar/comments/w1hpve/halfway_house_for_mental_health_uk/
[22:10]	TR Bot	 Halfway house for mental health uk : bipolar
[22:10]	DaemonFC	The mental health inpatient units in the US are not "like being in jail.".
[22:11]	DaemonFC	If you're in jail, you're in a walk in closet with a metal bed with barely a mattress over it, with a toilet slash drinking fountain, and the door only opens up for about an hour or two a day so you can shower and get a meal and then go back in.
[22:11]	DaemonFC	Although the mental health inpatient units are pretty scary.
[22:12]	DaemonFC	They put you in a double room with whoever else is in there with you. Luckily, whatever was going on with my roommate, they put so much antipsychotic medication in him that I don't even recall him waking up much for two weeks.
[22:13]	DaemonFC	I say luckily because whatever he did where they responded like that must have been bad.
[22:14]	DaemonFC	It's my experience that the staff doesn't typically do something like that.
[22:15]	DaemonFC	The only way you're not free to leave is if you've told them you're suicidal, which triggers a mandatory 72 hour "observation period" under the law. So unfortunately, in the winter time, a lot of people say they're suicidal so they have a warm room to sleep in with a shower and some food.
[22:15]	DaemonFC	It's not prison food. It's just whatever the hospital is feeding all of its other patients.
[22:16]	DaemonFC	Typically, their goal is to keep you there as shortly as possible and get your medication adjusted, and then they let you go.
[22:17]	DaemonFC	I don't know how the "halfway house" system works in the UK, but I've seen mental illness halfway houses in the US, though I've never been staying in one. They don't look too much different than what's on Reddit.
[22:17]	DaemonFC	I think that it's where the inpatient centers release you to if you're homeless.
[22:18]	AdmFubar	depending on the hospital it can be some pretty bad food
[22:18]	DaemonFC	All of this is Indiana. I hear they treated mental patients worse before the 1980s in the US. Most states had state mental health hospitals, and no matter what was going on with you, you'd end up there for months, and there were serious mistreatment scandals.
[22:19]	DaemonFC	They still had one in Richmond, Indiana in the 90s. They sent my aunt there a couple of times.
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[22:19]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22070915
[22:19]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/rjh7rlqxvc991.jpg created on 2022-07-09 03:59:10.085578
[22:20]	TR News	TEST. [MV] (MAMAMOO) - (Dingga) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=dfl9KIX1WpU | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/dfl9KIX1WpU
[22:20]	TR Bot	 [MV] (MAMAMOO) - (Dingga) - Invidious
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[22:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	seems to work, MinceR
[22:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	pushing to git
[22:21]	MinceR	:)
[22:22]	TR News	Thompson 6000 Mixer Mincer Series Promotional Video - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=XcPTZ5fKvTY | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/XcPTZ5fKvTY
[22:22]	TR Bot	 Thompson 6000 Mixer Mincer Series Promotional Video - Invidious
[22:24]	DaemonFC	<AdmFubar> depending on the hospital it can be some pretty bad food
[22:24]	DaemonFC	Parkview's isn't bad.
[22:25]	DaemonFC	They actually have a restaurant in the hospital at Parkview North although their cafeteria at Randalia isn't bad either.
[22:25]	DaemonFC	We didn't have to buy groceries for a year and a half because it was so cheap to eat there. John worked there, so they gave us half off.
[22:26]	DaemonFC	So I straight up lived on hospital food for 18 months or so.
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[22:27]	DaemonFC	They didn't pay him very much money, but it turned out that the 50% off at the restaurant in the hospital was worth a lot all by itself. We would have had to spend hundreds more at the grocery store trying to buy that much food.
[22:27]	TR News	Rocky Linux 9.0 overview | Enterprise Linux, the community way. - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=z2Y4jQ-eTjY | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/z2Y4jQ-eTjY
[22:27]	TR Bot	 Rocky Linux 9.0 overview | Enterprise Linux, the community way. - Invidious
[22:27]	TR News	PopOS is SPECIAL, and Im moving to it, heres why! - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Cs4QRBm0C_8 | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/Cs4QRBm0C_8
[22:27]	TR Bot	 PopOS is SPECIAL, and I'm moving to it, here's why! - Invidious
[22:27]	DaemonFC	I never had very high electric bills.
[22:28]	DaemonFC	I don't like heat in the winter anyway and I wasn't cooking anything because I ate breakfast at the hospital and then dinner when I went to pick John up.
[22:28]	DaemonFC	So I wasn't cooking anything at home.
[22:28]	DaemonFC	In fact, I even unplugged the fridge and propped it open.
[22:28]	DaemonFC	In the winter one year, I think my electric bill was like $19, and $8 of that was just to keep it turned on!
[22:30]	DaemonFC	Where the electric really kills me is in the summer here. It turns into a swamp in the basement and I've always got the air conditioner or the dehumidifier running. I turn the AC off at night and turn the dehumidifier on, and there's a bucket of water waiting for me by morning when I turn that off and the AC back on.
[22:30]	DaemonFC	I had my highest monthly bill in a while this month. $97.
[22:30]	DaemonFC	It spent winter averaging about $35-40.
[22:31]	TR News	GM is in very serious financial trouble and thinks that the solution is to force every new Buick and GMC owner into a $1500 three year OnStar subscription - BaronHKs Rants Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/18/gm-is-in-very-serious-financial-trouble-and-thinks-that-the-solution-is-to-force-every-new-buick-and-gmc-owner-into-a-1500-three-year-onstar-subscription/
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[22:31]	elephant	valve steam: domestic terrorism groupware
[22:31]	elephant	this is what was missing, to push free software
[22:32]	elephant	scroll some ads, get connected
[22:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	domestic terrorism groupware?
[22:32]	MinceR	sounds edgy and exciting
[22:32]	elephant	a documentary on tv, terrorists socializing with each other on valve steam
[22:32]	elephant	trillions of shitcoins invested into
[22:32]	TR News	[PATCH] x86/speculation: Add BHI_DIS support - Daniel Sneddon https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220714195236.9311-1-daniel.sneddon@linux.intel.com/ Source: linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220714195236.9311-1-daniel.sneddon@linux.intel.com/
[22:32]	TR Bot	 [PATCH] x86/speculation: Add BHI_DIS support - Daniel Sneddon
[22:34]	elephant	amazing, and linux kernel is bloated with crap to support the latest games
[22:34]	elephant	brought to you by IBM Wintel Pentagon USA
[22:34]	elephant	and the banner "free software" on top of it
[22:34]	TR News	Archcraft 2022.07.18 is out, but uses Discord nd Reddit, so.... https://archcraft.io/
[22:34]	TR Bot	 Archcraft : Home
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[22:35]	TR News	Ideas from TPRC2022: Bug/Task/Issue independent interface and a cli tool http://blogs.perl.org/users/dean/2022/07/ideas-from-tprc2022-bugtaskissue-independent-interface-and-a-cli-tool.html Source: perl | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?http%3A//blogs.perl.org/users/dean/2022/07/ideas-from-tprc2022-bugtaskissue-independent-interface-and-a-cli-tool.html
[22:35]	TR Bot	from TPRC2022: Bug/Task/Issue independent interface and a cli tool | dean [blogs.perl.org]
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[22:39]	TR News	"For those want to check PC hardware specs in Linux, CPU-X is a good choice for user switching from Microsoft Windows." https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/07/cpu-x-cpu-z-for-linux-desktop/
[22:39]	TR Bot	 CPU-X Gather PC Hardware Specs in Linux with CPU-Z Style User Interface | UbuntuHandbook
[22:40]	TR News	"First, how does Krita know what files it can import/export as? Well that is easy enough to answer, in a database. Specifically Krita has a class KisMimeDatabase that stores all available file formats Krita supports" https://rojas.run/posts/gsoc-update1/
[22:40]	TR Bot	Update 1 - rojas.run
[22:40]	TR News	Status update 18/07/2022 - Sam Thursfield https://samthursfield.wordpress.com/2022/07/18/status-update-18th-july-2022/ Source: samthursfield | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//samthursfield.wordpress.com/2022/07/18/status-update-18th-july-2022/
[22:40]	TR Bot	 Status update 18/07/2022 Sam Thursfield
[22:44]	TR News	How to install Audacity on Pop!_OS 22.04 - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=AVOg3UxMwVQ | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/AVOg3UxMwVQ
[22:44]	TR Bot	 How to install Audacity on Pop!_OS 22.04 - Invidious
[22:45]	TR News	"Thinkpads that wont boot Linux by default, retard moves to Microsoft, the Firefox Snap is finally a lot faster, Reddit shows its true colours, KDE Korner, and more." https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-186/
[22:45]	TR Bot	 Late Night Linux Episode 186 Late Night Linux
[22:46]	TR News	The Linux Desktop Wouldnt Exist Without This Group - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=s9VzgWycgcY | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/s9VzgWycgcY
[22:46]	TR Bot	 The Linux Desktop Wouldn't Exist Without This Group - Invidious
[22:46]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2], Russell Crowe has gotten old. Old and really really fat.
[22:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	good
[22:47]	DaemonFC	I don't think I'd seen him in anything since Gladiator, which was out in 2000.
[22:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	let him eat crowe
[22:47]	DaemonFC	I didn't even recognize him as Zeus in Thor: Love and Thunder.
[22:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	he also had a violence scandal
[22:47]	MinceR	lol @ "retard moves to Microsoft"
[22:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	whatg?
[22:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	not true?
[22:48]	bnchs	now that he ruined linux
[22:48]	bnchs	he moves to microsoft
[22:48]	bnchs	to probably ruin it as much as he did
[22:49]	TR News	This is what FSF published INSTEAD of BLASTING Microsoft for 'secure' boot (also: FSF must feel dumb or guilty for giving AWARD to MJG) https://www.fsf.org/blogs/sysadmin/closing-in-on-fully-free-bioses-with-the-fsf-tech-team
[22:49]	TR Bot	 Closing in on fully free BIOSes with the FSF tech team Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
[22:49]	MinceR	i just liked the way it was phrased
[22:49]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2], Fedora says it's updated Mesa to fix llvmpipe issues that were crashing kwin 'very badly' and Mutter 'sometimes'.
[22:49]	MinceR	it's concise and everyone knows what it refers to
[22:49]	DaemonFC	It's funny, but I don't recall XRENDER crashing.
[22:50]	MinceR	neither do i
[22:50]	DaemonFC	I usually set kwin to use it even on drivers that could handle OpenGL okay because it was so much faster (even though some of the effects didn't work).
[22:50]	TR News	It feels like FSF feels shy or reluctant to blast those whom it should blast the most. Man up. Oh, sorry. Person up!
[22:50]	MinceR	(cat) https://ircz.de/p/22071427
[22:50]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/1xhch6a6c4a91.jpg created on 2022-07-14 09:04:13.678643
[22:51]	MinceR	Person direction!
[22:52]	TR News	That's not because of YOU, SFC. Also: you saw the REAL Microsoft the FIRST time around. This is just "damage control". https://sfconservancy.org/news/2022/jul/18/foss-for-sale-in-ms-app-store/
[22:52]	TR Bot	 Permission to Sell FOSS in the Microsoft App Store Restored - Software Freedom Conservancy
[22:53]	TR News	An LED cube circuit sculpture shield for the UNO Mini LE | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/18/an-led-cube-circuit-sculpture-shield-for-the-uno-mini-le/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/18/an-led-cube-circuit-sculpture-shield-for-the-uno-mini-le/
[22:53]	TR Bot	 An LED cube circuit sculpture shield for the UNO Mini LE | Arduino Blog
[22:54]	schestowitz[TR2]	MinceR: person symbol
[22:54]	schestowitz[TR2]	$noun $noun
[22:55]	DaemonFC	"Did you know in 1980 cable only cost $8!" Facebook ad.
[22:55]	DaemonFC	I didn't know that, but I'm not surprised.
[22:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	"only"?
[22:55]	bnchs	if pluton is truly uncrackable, then it will be the end of free computing
[22:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	42 years ago
[22:55]	DaemonFC	Probably not many people had cable and they couldn't just say "Here's something that costs an enormous amount of money. Sign up today!"
[22:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	cumulative inflation
[22:55]	DaemonFC	They made it cheap and then kept jacking up the price.
[22:55]	DaemonFC	Like streaming.
[22:56]	elephant	there isn't any free computing regardless
[22:56]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2], $8 in 1980 = $30.47 last month according to BLS.
[22:56]	DaemonFC	If you believe that.
[22:57]	DaemonFC	No cable TV package cost $30.50 last month.
[22:57]	DaemonFC	You can't even rent the box for that.
[22:57]	DaemonFC	:P
[22:57]	DaemonFC	Who are they even selling this shit to?
[22:57]	AdmFubar	https://www.alternet.org/2022/07/pathetic-how-cheap-it-is/
[22:57]	TR Bot	Author laments 'how cheap it is' for oil companies to fund climate opposition - Alternet.org
[22:57]	DaemonFC	The local movie theater has all the major sports games on the movie screen and you don't have to pay anything to get in.
[22:58]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2], Seems the movie theater is 90% restaurant and about 10% ticket revenue now.
[22:58]	DaemonFC	That's not the first time I've seen this format.
[22:58]	DaemonFC	In Fort Wayne, there was a movie theater/restaurant we used to go to.
[22:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.10 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.58 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[22:59]	DaemonFC	I can't imagine who is paying $20 a ticket to go to the movies.
[22:59]	DaemonFC	Seems pretty busy on $5 Tuesdays.
[22:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	we've not gone since before covid-19
[22:59]	phanes	nice i just bought 87 million shiba inu coins
● Jul 18
[23:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	rianne will leave manchester this month for firfst time since 202220
[23:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	2020
[23:00]	AdmFubar	I was about to say... damn can she time travel
[23:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	phanes: I bought 3 trillion roycoin
[23:01]	phanes	that shits going to hit over a penny in a few years
[23:01]	AdmFubar	or the fan
[23:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	so you pumped real money into a fantasy
[23:04]	phanes	its easier to take risks when you have money
[23:05]	phanes	i plan on quadrupling that stake over the next six mo
[23:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	and then you have less money
[23:06]	TR News	GstVA H.264 encoder, compositor and JPEG decoder Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167387
[23:06]	phanes	when i hit 4M im retiring
[23:07]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167388
[23:07]	TR Bot	 GstVA H.264 encoder, compositor and JPEG decoder | Tux Machines
[23:07]	TR News	Rocky Linux / Fedora / Red Hat / IBM Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167389
[23:07]	elephant	"if the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?" A.Chigurgh
[23:07]	TR News	PopOS Video and Review Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167390
[23:08]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[23:08]	TR Bot	 Rocky Linux / Fedora / Red Hat / IBM Leftovers | Tux Machines
[23:08]	britney	i use arch btw
[23:08]	elephant	strange somehow, the cruelty, in this movie, nonetheless, the landscape and atmosphere, in Texas 1980
[23:08]	elephant	it's almost a place, of destinity and freedom
[23:09]	phanes	id prob use the free time and cash flow from the interest to hire a few undergrads to finally build out the rest of surro
[23:09]	elephant	as was said in the opening: "you have to say, ok. i want to be part of this world."
[23:09]	TR Bot	 PopOS Video and Review | Tux Machines
[23:10]	elephant	after the sherrif explained, the "old-timers" didn't carry any guns, "hard to believe"
[23:10]	phanes	so whats the deal is elephant a bot or something
[23:10]	TR News	Forecast now says 41 degrees tomorrow in Manchester. That would be an all-time record, but other forecasts do not agree.
[23:11]	elephant	i'm just wondering, where that is, Texas Instruments
[23:11]	elephant	who ship TTL7400 series chips, for 50 years now
[23:11]	elephant	until schestowitz[TR2] and DaemonFC, the bots, interrupted
[23:12]	MinceR	https://files.catbox.moe/uh2gre.jpg
[23:12]	TR Bot	connect to files.catbox.moe:443; Network is unreachable ( status 0 @ https://files.catbox.moe/uh2gre.jpg )
[23:12]	TR News	other sources say 36 degrees tomorrow, same as today (still very exceptionally hot) gemini://auragem.space/weather/imperial/location?manchester%2C%20uk gemini://caolan.uk/cgi-bin/weather.py/wxfcs/352509
[23:12]	phanes	how do i mute the bot in irssi?
[23:13]	MinceR	with /ignore
[23:13]	MinceR	(see /help ignore)
[23:13]	phanes	elephant: you done bein a bot?
[23:13]	elephant	phanes: simply see the scrollback, who bots are
[23:13]	elephant	to name two of them, schestowitz[TR2] and DaemonFC 
[23:14]	DaemonFC	Yeah, if you put $1,000 in Bitcoin the day of Matt Damon's Super Bowl ad you'd have like $290 now.
[23:14]	DaemonFC	Something like that.
[23:14]	MinceR	
[23:14]	TR News	Cutelyst v3.5 relicensed as BSD-3-Clause - Danttis Blog https://dantti.wordpress.com/2022/07/18/cutelyst-v3-5-relicensed-as-bsd-3-clause/ Source: dantti | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//dantti.wordpress.com/2022/07/18/cutelyst-v3-5-relicensed-as-bsd-3-clause/
[23:14]	TR Bot	 Cutelyst v3.5 relicensed as BSD-3-Clause Dantti's Blog
[23:14]	phanes	i hadd $100 in BTC in 2007
[23:15]	britney	<elephant> to name two of them, schestowitz[TR2] and DaemonFC  <--- XD
[23:15]	phanes	i was physically sick in 2016 when i checked the price and went tearing through my old archives looking for the crypto wallet to find i had sold that position because i didnt think btc would go anywhere and i was hungry that night
[23:15]	DaemonFC	Wasn't that two years before they existed?
[23:16]	DaemonFC	I doubt Bitcoin will just "go away" but reality has definitely set in.
[23:16]	phanes	it wasnt 2007.  it was 2012.  
[23:16]	elephant	same boring story again: "dumped a dollor into shit, now shit is worth 100 times more shit, can't find my shit, sold that shit"
[23:16]	elephant	shit
[23:17]	DaemonFC	Now the shit has gone to shit.
[23:17]	TR News	Preprocessing for improving the quality of the output https://quochungtran.github.io/junk/2022/07/14/week3-4.html
[23:17]	TR Bot	 <Weeks 3,4> Preprocessing for improving the quality of the output | My Journey at google summer of Code 2022
[23:17]	DaemonFC	Oh shit.
[23:17]	phanes	i think shiba will explode
[23:17]	DaemonFC	I doubt Bitcoin will ever see those prices again.
[23:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	maybe they can recycle the brand
[23:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	and sell bitcoin(r) laptops
[23:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	like microsoft did with surface(tm)
[23:19]	AdmFubar	they will see those numbers again...... just with minuses in front of them...
[23:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	not to justify banksters and central banksters, but..
[23:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	the regimes get what they want usually
[23:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	if they fail at first, they start bombiing
[23:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	china banned all the fakecoins
[23:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	and other countries followed
[23:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	except el salvador
[23:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	the world's bank ;_)
[23:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	if thse don't collapse on their own, the media will berate and malign them
[23:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	and then, if all else fails, there will be bans
[23:22]	TR News	"I didn't get what this was until I looked at the picture. In England, that would be called Yorkshire pudding, and it's a savoury thing that you serve with a roast dinner. You'd normally make it in a baking tray instead of a pan with a handle, which might save burns." gemini://freeshell.de/gemlog/2022-07-18_Re__The_Dutch_Baby_Incident.gmi
[23:24]	TR News	"Our hedgehog, Kino, was initially quite scared of us. He has grown more friendly and curious in recent months, but he still does not like to be touched. We take hin outside using a fabric bag called a "snuggle sack", and a few nights ago he emerged from the sack into the darkness of the backyard." gemini://jsreed5.org/log/2022/202207/20220718-2022-week-26-27-28-photos.gmi
[23:27]	elephant	anyway, back to the freedom scam sold by GNU/FSF
[23:27]	elephant	how could anyone of them with a straight face say it's "free"
[23:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	frie
[23:30]	elephant	GNU/FSF, their #1 project, GCC, targets specific vendors
[23:30]	elephant	those vendors, ship products, which the Verilog/HDL are withheld for
[23:30]	elephant	yet, FSF says it's "free"
[23:31]	elephant	it's endorsed, or "RYF" certified, with "permissive license"
[23:31]	TR News	'My troubles begin after I get a good harvest' https://ruralindiaonline.org/en/articles/my-troubles-begin-after-i-get-a-good-harvest/ Source: ruralindiaonline | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//ruralindiaonline.org/en/articles/my-troubles-begin-after-i-get-a-good-harvest/
[23:31]	TR Bot	 'My troubles begin after I get a good harvest'
[23:33]	TR News	"This results in a queue of thoughts, many of which never get published. The technologist in me wants to find a way to automate this." https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/writing-and-waiting/
[23:33]	TR Bot	 Writing and Waiting - Jim Nielsens Blog
[23:33]	elephant	it's not like there wasn't any alternative, yet GNU/FSF got their own vision of what's supposed to be "free"
[23:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	FSF focuses or focused on unix but gpol
[23:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	now mostly gpl
[23:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	even if not unixy
[23:34]	TR News	Punching above our state: foreign missions abound, but wheres the agency for taxpayers? - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/punching-above-our-state-foreign-missions-abound-but-wheres-the-agency-for-taxpayers/ Source: michaelwest
[23:34]	TR Bot	 Punching above our state: foreign missions abound, but where's the agency for taxpayers? - Michael West
[23:36]	TR News	"With new version 9.0 Rocky Linux joins the list of ppc64le-compatible CentOS clone" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167237#comment-34384
[23:36]	TR Bot	 Rocky Linux 9 Officially Released with GNOME 40 Desktop, Improved Security | Tux Machines
[23:36]	TR News	Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167391
[23:36]	TR Bot	 Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
[23:38]	elephant	nonetheless, it isn't free as in free, whatever GNU/FSF focused on
[23:42]	elephant	in fact, GCC nowadays, is a hindrance to free software
[23:45]	elephant	"free software", made in usa, what have we got instead... llvm to compile GPU shaders for video games, to entertain home-grown terrorists with video games
[23:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	kde made in germany, has ame isues
[23:47]	elephant	and "web browsers" i call those malware execution environments
[23:47]	elephant	i wiped all kde/gtk/x11 all of this, while ago already, not worth any discussion anymore
[23:48]	TR News	Leftovers: Free, Libre, and Open Source Software Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167392
[23:48]	TR Bot	 Leftovers: Free, Libre, and Open Source Software | Tux Machines
[23:48]	TR News	KDE and GNOME Development Work Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167393
[23:48]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167394
[23:48]	elephant	^it's all poisoned
[23:48]	TR Bot	 KDE and GNOME Development Work | Tux Machines
[23:48]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
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[23:49]	elephant	somewhat ironic, according to wikipedia, it was UN who funded parts of this, harfbuzz/graphite unicode font rendering
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[23:49]	elephant	and i mean, if the technical crap wiped removed most of their ideological bull with it, sadly not
[23:50]	TR News	Links 18/07/2022: Archcraft July 2022 Release and Cutelyst Relicensed | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/cutelyst-relicensed/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/cutelyst-relicensed/
[23:50]	TR Bot	 Links 18/07/2022: Archcraft July 2022 Release and Cutelyst Relicensed | Techrights
[23:50]	elephant	so, may they wreck the entire tech industry, i don't give a whatever about this
[23:50]	britney	a big problem with KDE is that its mainly C++
[23:50]	britney	C++ is trash
[23:50]	elephant	the compilers are
[23:51]	elephant	but hey, "save the planet", and climate and this and that
[23:51]	elephant	they're still proud of this, the mountain of shit they produced
[23:52]	britney	https://imgur.com/a/C3bEdEt
[23:52]	TR Bot	The magic of the Internet
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[23:52]	britney	I love that meme I just linked
[23:52]	elephant	the "free" web browser i got cannot render any imgur images
[23:53]	britney	elephant, what trash browser is that?
[23:53]	elephant	and i am not willing to install any of the "free" malware
[23:53]	elephant	several: lynx, links, w3m
[23:53]	phanes	is C++ trash or do you struggle with OOP paradigms
[23:53]	elephant	i programmed with many OOP languages, mostly java, little c++ only, it's not OOP
[23:53]	britney	phanes, this sums it up: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/
[23:54]	TR Bot	 C++ is Good for the Economy, It Creates Jobs!
[23:54]	britney	also: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/OO_programming/
[23:54]	TR Bot	 Object Oriented Programming is Inherently Harmful
[23:54]	britney	cat-v are unix geniuses 
[23:54]	phanes	all i see here are snarky quotes
[23:55]	britney	they do have links to articles too
[23:55]	britney	i've been teaching myself to code in Golang and one of the best things is not having to use gcc
[23:56]	phanes	in any case, yes, C++ is absolutely OOP, you should stop listening to whoever told you that
[23:56]	phanes	because it sounds like whoever it was doesnt know oop or c++
[23:56]	elephant	to be fair with GNU in this case, it wasn't them who invented c++, it was AT&T/Bell Labs
[23:57]	phanes	c++ deserves criticism for its runaway language standards though 
[23:58]	elephant	c++ exactly what? the standards? the language features? or their implementation and compilers?
[23:58]	elephant	i'll not invest any minute of my time into any of it
[23:59]	britney	elephant, https://i.imgur.com/vxSNI3k.jpg  <-- might work
[23:59]	phanes	a little bit of all 3 but my biggest grievance with is is the breadth of features and syntax tumors, they would do well to gut about 3/4 of it out and call it c++-light or something