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DaemonFC[m]I read a news article today that a village in Wales is spending a ton of money to put in pay toilets that will sense "more than one person" in the stall and people having sex and fling open the door while spraying them with water.Aug 18 01:00
DaemonFC[m]Hard to see anything going wrong with that.Aug 18 01:00
MinceR:>Aug 18 01:05
MinceRwhat could possibly go wrong?Aug 18 01:05
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: I understand the  motvation.   Aug 18 01:13
oiaohmMinceR: there a lot that can possible go wrong with both.  It insane how many public tollets per yet people get stuck during sex acts.Aug 18 01:14
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, but $600,000 because some teenagers are fucking?Aug 18 01:15
DaemonFC[m]Kind of hard to justify.Aug 18 01:15
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: you would need the records.   Might be justiify depend on how many people are having sex and result in foot stuck on tollet or other equal problems resulting in firefighters having to do quite a bit of damage to get them out and the on going repair bills.Aug 18 01:18
DaemonFC[m]Foot getting caught requiring firefighter extraction?Aug 18 01:19
DaemonFC[m]Well, it would be a good story I guess. Aug 18 01:19
oiaohmThere are documented cases of that happeningAug 18 01:20
DaemonFC[m]"See, I was fucking someone in a public toilet and then the fire department had to use the jaws of life because my foot got caught in the trashcan."Aug 18 01:20
oiaohmThat kind of screw up.Aug 18 01:21
oiaohmIts normally a foot a person puts somewhere that they should not in the act and gets it stuck.Aug 18 01:21
oiaohmScary enough tollets in aircraft are attempted to be design that its impossible to do that screw up.  Ones on earth not so much.Aug 18 01:23
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DaemonFC[m]I can see why it would be a foot.Aug 18 01:33
DaemonFC[m]You can easily keep track of your hands and you might be trying to apply leverage with the foot.Aug 18 01:33
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schestowitzhttps://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxNewsToday/comments/crrtz7/concerns_about_ibms_commitment_to_opensourcecom/Aug 18 02:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Concerns About IBM's Commitment to OpenSource.com After the Fall of Linux.com and Linux Journal : LinuxNewsTodayAug 18 02:05
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scientesschestowitz, Red Hat Linux 7 Special offer: Free hat!Aug 18 03:50
scientesahhh, those were more innocent daysAug 18 03:50
schestowitzscientes: but it's not freeAug 18 03:58
schestowitzRHEL isn't, CentOS isAug 18 03:58
schestowitzand no free hat with CentOSAug 18 03:59
scientesits software libreAug 18 03:59
scienteswhich may or may not continue....Aug 18 03:59
schestowitzQuestion: If Big Blue takes over Red Hat and you then call it BlueHat, will someone be upset?Aug 18 03:59
scientesI was always really happy with Red Hat's business modelAug 18 03:59
scientesthey have every right to charge money for the productAug 18 04:00
scientesand they did absolutely incredible things, like reverse engineer the nouveau driverAug 18 04:00
scientesschestowitz, hehe, that is pretty goodAug 18 04:00
scientesnouveau wouldn't have been possible without a company behind itAug 18 04:00
scientesand Oracle was also (and still is) an asshole company for trying to poach Red Hat's customersAug 18 04:01
scienteswithout providing any value Aug 18 04:01
schestowitzQuestion: If Big Blue takes over Red Hat and you then call it BlueHat, will someone be upset? There's already a company called that...Aug 18 04:02
scientesoh, I thought you were just going to call them that to troll them, like calling it Vista 19Aug 18 04:02
scientesVista 10Aug 18 04:02
scientesBHELAug 18 04:03
schestowitzThere's also #bluecoat but that's another story...  http://techrights.org/2017/12/29/blue-coat-systems-at-epo/ http://techrights.org/2016/06/02/bluecoat-at-epo-hague/Aug 18 04:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | European Patent Office Works With Blue Coat Systems, Enabler of Authoritarian Regimes | TechrightsAug 18 04:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Closer Look at Players in Battistelli’s Information War: Part II (BlueCoat) | TechrightsAug 18 04:03
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schestowitz[01:00] <DaemonFC[m]> I read a news article today that a village in Wales is spending a ton of money to put in pay toilets that will sense "more than one person" in the stall and people having sex and fling open the door while spraying them with water.Aug 18 06:19
schestowitz: So now, in the same of "safety", #surveillance comes to the toilet booth (yes, right inside the booth). https://www.businessinsider.sg/futuristic-anti-sex-toilets-are-being-built-in-wales-2019-8/Aug 18 06:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.sg | A Welsh town is building anti-sex public toilets using 'terrifying' methods including squealing alarms, doors shooting open, and cold jets of water, Business Insider - Business Insider SingaporeAug 18 06:20
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psydroidhttps://www.facethecompany.de/en/intel-blog/my-letter-to-newspapers/Aug 18 09:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.facethecompany.de | My Letter to Newspapers - Face the companyAug 18 09:45
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cubexyzok, oiaohm you might find this interestingAug 18 10:19
cubexyzvery old computer was found turned off todayAug 18 10:19
cubexyzwouldn't turn on, just deadAug 18 10:19
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cubexyzcleaned it... must have had 15 years or more of dust and spiderwebsAug 18 10:20
cubexyzturned it on... it worksAug 18 10:20
cubexyzthen gets stuck at "configuring kernel parameters"Aug 18 10:20
cubexyzso I reset the cmos completely... figured why not, nothing is really workingAug 18 10:21
cubexyzso then presto it works again. Boots up, I do a e2fsck. seems normalAug 18 10:21
cubexyzmaybe the caps are finally starting to goAug 18 10:22
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oiaohmcubexyz: when was the last time the backup battery was replaced.Aug 18 12:30
oiaohmcubexyz: as battery gets to end of life some of those odd systems some of those old systems don't boot any more.Aug 18 12:30
oiaohmcubexyz: or come unpredictable.   caps and battery is like your number 1 trouble makers.Aug 18 12:31
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MinceR18 045943 <+schestowitz> Question: If Big Blue takes over Red Hat and you then call it BlueHat, will someone be upset?Aug 18 13:08
MinceRpeople are always upsetAug 18 13:08
MinceRthat's what SJWs are forAug 18 13:08
oiaohmMaybe with IBM taking over Redhat fedora will get to return to its orginal first logo that was a blue fedora hat.Aug 18 13:13
MinceRhttps://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/08/13/aef521d0ba5dcece.mp4Aug 18 13:43
schestowitzpsydroid: cheersAug 18 13:49
schestowitzhttps://www.facethecompany.de/en/feed/Aug 18 13:49
schestowitzsubscribedAug 18 13:49
psydroidthere used to be a website called faceintel.com (Former and Current Intel employees) in the early 2000s through which I became quite familiar with the ways of the company, but it has since disappearedAug 18 13:59
schestowitzdo you know these peopleAug 18 14:08
schestowitzlooks like the more recent one does not blog much anymoreAug 18 14:08
schestowitzthey'd crush him with narrativeAug 18 14:08
schestowitzlike they did Mr. Green the recyclerAug 18 14:08
schestowitzcalling him "pirate" and worseAug 18 14:08
psydroidI don't know these people, but Intel did offer me a job twiceAug 18 14:18
psydroidI knew I didn't want to work there so I never respondedAug 18 14:18
oiaohmpsydroid: http://web.archive.org/web/20170313072132/http://www.faceintel.com/  this was the last snapshot before faceintel switch to waiting for a new site.   Do note side Goals for 2006.   So it disappeared after a decade of not being maintained.Aug 18 14:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | FACE Intel IndexAug 18 14:24
oiaohmpsydroid: yes the fun part about archive.org stuff like this does not disapepar simply.Aug 18 14:25
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MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/08/13/e13a3e02ad9d4b0d.jpgAug 18 14:46
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MinceR(audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/08/13/feea88cc502d66cc.mp4Aug 18 15:54
schestowitz"Aug 18 17:06
schestowitzArtificial Intelligence is nothing more than another name for neural networks which are nothing new under the sun. Such networks are such that the more data you input the more precise identification of a given result will appear. Self-learning is however not a proof of “intelligence”, be it named artificial or not. Aug 18 17:06
schestowitzI do not deny that they can play an important role in everyday life as they allow to more rapidly filter out specific results out of a big mass of data. Their advantage is that being self-learning, the more data you input, the finer the result will be.Aug 18 17:06
schestowitzBut, to me a neural network is not intelligent as such. I find it a fallacy to call such systems intelligent in the ordinary meaning of the term. There is nothing intelligent in a system crunching data, as it will only output the data you want it to output, and reject any other form of data. Whether an autonomous car kills his passengers or a pedestrian crossing its path is a decision taken by the programmer and cannot be qualified as Aug 18 17:06
schestowitzintelligent. Aug 18 17:06
schestowitzIf you alter the input data, i.e. the information which leads to the learning effect, you will have another output. The same applies if you change the algorithm inside the neural network. With the same input data, you will also get a different output. I fail to see anything intelligent in this behaviour. Aug 18 17:06
schestowitzI am therefore of the opinion that a neural network or what is called “artificial” “intelligence” cannot be creative and is therefore unable to come to an invention in the usual meaning of the term in the patent world. Aug 18 17:06
schestowitzThe comment in the blog “that the owner of the IP is the owner of the machine inventor that generates the IP” makes this abundantly clear. It is the owner of the machine which has determined which data are input and which correlation algorithm is to be used. Aug 18 17:06
schestowitzPlaying with all those concepts can occupy lots of academics and theorists, but the hard reality is somewhat different. The machine cannot be inventive as such. Anything else is pure fantasy.Aug 18 17:06
schestowitz"Aug 18 17:06
schestowitzhttp://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2019/08/the-first-ai-inventor-ipkat-searches.html?showComment=1566122338781#c1669387006814325336Aug 18 17:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The first AI inventor - IPKat searches for the facts behind the hype - The IPKatAug 18 17:06
schestowitz"Aug 18 17:07
schestowitzPart 2Aug 18 17:07
schestowitzThat AI or neural networks are applicable in various field of technology, for instance image recognition and hence are patentable when it goes above data crunching as such is manifest.Aug 18 17:07
schestowitzWhen used in image recognition it has a similar effect to the invention in the famous Vicom decision, T 208/84, which held that “A claim which can be considered as being directed to a computer set up to operate in accordance with a specified program (whether by means of hardware or software) for controlling or carrying out a technical process cannot be regarded as relating to a computer program as such.” It ended the famous dichotomy Aug 18 17:07
schestowitzbetween program and computer: a computer is state of the art and the program is not patentable as such, hence nothing is patentable. Thank god we have come away of this way of looking at CII. Aug 18 17:07
schestowitzThis would avoid some people going on like a Tibetan prayer mill that the EPO is ignoring the EPC in the framework of CII. Another way to make this clear: it is irrelevant whether steel mill is controlled by a program or by an electronic circuit having the same effect. This is perfectly patentable and should be manifest to everybody. Aug 18 17:07
schestowitzThe situation is slightly different when it happens inside a computer, but case law of the Boards of Appeal have made clear that if the computer is brought to do more than merely running a program, then there is patentable invention. One good example: the concept of a virtual memory would be perfectly patentable. A program like Word or Excel is not. Aug 18 17:07
schestowitzThe prohibition of programs as such laid down in the EPC results from the simple statement of fact that there already existed in the seventies many different program languages and variations within each of them. It could therefore not be expected that examiners would be acquainted with all of them. It was also quasi impossible to carry out a meaningful search in this domain. Hence only excerpts of programs could be added in the figures, but Aug 18 17:07
schestowitzlong listings were prohibited and they had to be deleted during examination. The inventive idea had to be expressed in plain language. Aug 18 17:07
schestowitzIt is time to stop the ludicrous attacks on the EPO in this domain. The EPO is not violating the EPC contrary to what some people think. Aug 18 17:08
schestowitzI hope the message is clear enough to a certain British blogger. Aug 18 17:08
schestowitzA word of warning: should this famous blogger want only to use the part of this comment that goes along his line, he is not authorised to do so. He can either use the whole comment or nothing. Enough nonsense has been spread over the years. It is time to stop and come back to real life. Aug 18 17:08
schestowitz'Aug 18 17:08
schestowitzHe's talking to us, techrightAug 18 17:08
schestowitzHe's talking to us, techrightsAug 18 17:08
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MinceRwell yeah, all living humans have a neural network, yet most of them are not intelligent :>Aug 18 17:34
MinceRand yet human intelligence likely comes from neural networksAug 18 17:35
MinceRhttps://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/08/13/5473acf2713c0207.mp4Aug 18 17:36
psydroidall intelligent living and dead humans should be retroactively patentedAug 18 17:36
schestowitzof courseAug 18 17:37
schestowitzbecause HEY HIAug 18 17:38
schestowitzA car's penalty kickAug 18 17:38
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DaemonFC[m]I see that Microsoft's prowess for coming up with exciting and original names for their programs is alive and kicking.Aug 18 22:53
MinceRthe programs are worse than their names, thoughAug 18 22:56
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