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| MinceR | https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/03/d4e992666de5df9d.mp4 | Jan 19 00:39 |
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| cubexyz | MinceR, I think you need to re-phrase a bit... the new KDE is a cancer, the old KDE was good | Jan 19 01:10 |
| cubexyz | probably why we have TDE | Jan 19 01:11 |
| cubexyz | I'm still running 3.5.10 on one machine | Jan 19 01:11 |
| MinceR | indeed i meant the new one | Jan 19 01:12 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/kde/kde-3.5.10-konsole-setup.png | Jan 19 01:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Missing content type. Ignoring. | Jan 19 01:15 | |
| cubexyz | love the coloured tabs | Jan 19 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | back and catching up... | Jan 19 05:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mozilla should not have been so hostile to other projects using Gecko. | Jan 19 05:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GNOME Web didn't really want to do all that work to switch to Webkit. It became necessary because Mozilla wasn't concerned with anything but Firefox. | Jan 19 05:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they had kept Gecko separate, not only would Seamonkey gone on, but most of the various open source browsers for *nix desktops wouldn't have used Blink and Webkit. | Jan 19 05:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's what you get when you don't care about other projects because it's a few users here and there. | Jan 19 05:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This rapid release nonsense is so utterly pointless. | Jan 19 05:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They bump the major release number for a new notification bubble. | Jan 19 05:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm surprised Apple isn't just rebasing Safari on Blink. | Jan 19 05:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They probably have their own reasons, but Webkit is kind of stuck where it is. | Jan 19 05:54 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: mozilla was kind of screwed over by the finer points of MPL 1.1. | Jan 19 06:15 |
| oiaohm | They finallly fixed that with MPL 2.0 in Jan 2012 | Jan 19 06:15 |
| oiaohm | Of course by that point webkit/blink has already got movement. | Jan 19 06:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What was wrong with 1.1? | Jan 19 06:16 |
| oiaohm | Same nightmares as CDDL | Jan 19 06:28 |
| oiaohm | The terms of MPL 1.1 does not allow it to be mixed with any other code with any major legal safety.\ | Jan 19 06:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, it was written by Netscape and it actually has a clause in it that allows Netscape to make proprietary software based on any MPL 1.1 code. So that would be Facebook now. | Jan 19 06:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Technically, when Facebook bought Netscape, they also acquired the legal right to make proprietary software out of any code released under the MPL 1.1 | Jan 19 06:44 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Apparently, Firefox 57+ no longer let extensions do disk writes. | Jan 19 06:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So for Video Download Helper to support sites that use HLS, you need a "helper app". | Jan 19 06:54 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | "The author Jörg Schilling claims" | Jan 19 07:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, who cares? LOL | Jan 19 07:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Troll. Cites a German copyright law that only applies in Germany and then fails to understand what the meaning of is is. | Jan 19 07:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Michael Catanzaro said, of the user agent quirk for Google "That ought to silence the Get Chrome spam for a couple of weeks until they figure it out.". LOL | Jan 19 07:25 |
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| oiaohm | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyyqtPA5sS4 << this stuff is turning into a mess. Between EU regulation, China regulation and Canada regulation and finally Australian regulation that does not agree at all. | Jan 19 12:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"The EU Says The Laws of Mathematics Apply in Australia" - Dan Shearer (LCA 2020) - YouTube | Jan 19 12:04 | |
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| MinceR | 19 065410 < DaemonFC[m]> I'm surprised Apple isn't just rebasing Safari on Blink. | Jan 19 14:47 |
| MinceR | they don't play well with others | Jan 19 14:47 |
| MinceR | ripping off freebsd, mach and kde was a big thing for them already :> | Jan 19 14:48 |
| XRevan86 | As far as I understand, Google doesn't provide Blink apart from Chromium either. | Jan 19 14:50 |
| MinceR | 19 130401 -TechrightsBot-tr:#techrights- "The EU Says The Laws of Mathematics Apply in Australia" - Dan Shearer (LCA 2020) - YouTube | Jan 19 14:50 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8Yt4p_gJmY | Jan 19 14:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Simpsons - In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics - YouTube | Jan 19 14:50 | |
| XRevan86 | It's pretty much like Firefox here, except everyone's willing to put up with it. | Jan 19 14:50 |
| MinceR | what about Chromium Embedded Framework? | Jan 19 14:51 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Messing with Chromium made easy? | Jan 19 14:52 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 19 14:52 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Even the name is telling. | Jan 19 14:52 |
| XRevan86 | It's not about the web renderer, it's about Chromium. | Jan 19 14:52 |
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| MinceR | well, it's not only the web renderer that matters, the javascript implementation matters too | Jan 19 14:53 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Well, taking V8 doesn't appear to be that problematic, telling from NodeJS. | Jan 19 14:54 |
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| XRevan86 | > I'm surprised Apple isn't just rebasing Safari on Blink. | Jan 19 14:54 |
| XRevan86 | What I mean is that it'd not be "rebasing on Blink", it'd be "rebasing on Chromium". | Jan 19 14:54 |
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| MinceR | XRevan86: sure, but CEF probably comes with that too | Jan 19 15:00 |
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| XRevan86 | And I'm pretty sure that GeckoView has Firefox' "core" under the hood. | Jan 19 15:32 |
| XRevan86 | I.e. the same kind of approach Chromium and Android WebView have. | Jan 19 15:33 |
| psydroid | Open Firefox Core? | Jan 19 15:38 |
| XRevan86 | Not this much the same. | Jan 19 15:39 |
| psydroid | what I actually really want to do is to replace Android on my tablet with GNU/Linux | Jan 19 15:40 |
| psydroid | so I can run the regular version of whatever browser I want | Jan 19 15:40 |
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| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/01/crispr-hearing-days-2-3-board-of-appeal.html?showComment=1579432016522#c6715668696951306208 | Jan 19 16:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 19 16:16 |
| schestowitz | As you say, Attentive; two sides of the same coin. It is said that 30 years of every more skilful pleading by attorneys, that their claim is novel over the art, is what has produced the sometimes outrageous strictness with which 123(2) has come to be imposed. I plead for a more "real world" enforcement of the common "directly and unambiguously derivable" Gold Standard, equally, in BOTH novelty and added matter cases. | Jan 19 16:16 |
| schestowitz | And I agree with you on US-style drafting. The USA has only recently gone over to First to File. It does not yet grasp that FtF will ratchet up their requirements under domestic US law for the application as filed to contain an enabling "written description" of the claimed subject matter. For the time being, they have no idea what an "undisclosed intermediate generalisation" is. But with the emerging case law under FtF, they will "get it", | Jan 19 16:16 |
| schestowitz | gradually, over the next 40 years. | Jan 19 16:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | CRISPR hearing days 2-3: Board of Appeal poised to refer to the EBA? - The IPKat | Jan 19 16:16 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 19 16:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 19 16:16 |
| schestowitz | I have great sympathy for your point of view, but one should not forget that added-matter and novelty are the two faces of the same coin. You cannot have one and ignore the other. The whole case law of the BA is very coherent in this respect. | Jan 19 16:16 |
| schestowitz | Certainty for third parties is also of utmost importance and this is protected by the stance taken in the matter by the BA. | Jan 19 16:16 |
| schestowitz | There are no continuations or continuations in part in Europe. It is high time for US applicants (and other as well) to take care of the original filing. This would avoid a lot of problems afterwards. | Jan 19 16:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 19 16:16 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/648117.jpg | Jan 19 16:36 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/2001091 | Jan 19 19:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 19 19:02 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I actually asked Fedora to go further with DRM and disable the nag screen where Firefox encourages you to turn it on. They refused. | Jan 19 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I filled out a bug report asking Mozilla to add a "Don't prompt me again. I can turn it on later in the preferences menu.". checkbox. They wouldn't do it. | Jan 19 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's more than a little concerning how aggressively Mozilla is pushing a Google DRM module that is a compiled binary and you don't even know what's in it. It's bad on many levels even if you don't really care about licensing. | Jan 19 19:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In their fight to stay relevant they have pulled out all the stops. "Just works" beats letting users know there's something very wrong with websites using DRM. | Jan 19 19:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They also just copy-pasted Google's spywarebar. | Jan 19 19:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You have to turn off automatic search results in the address bar and then split out a separate search bar, or things you don't want going to Google are going to Google as you type them. | Jan 19 19:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When you use a dedicated search box where you know your typing will be sent to Google, that's one thing. | Jan 19 19:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How many people consider that everything going into their address bar is being sent to Google? | Jan 19 19:42 |
| MinceR | "take back the web" | Jan 19 19:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mozilla says they're blocking trackers and web nasties, and they're going after Facebook, good. | Jan 19 19:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But then they don't protect the user from Google at all and foist Google proprietary software and a keylogger into Firefox by default. | Jan 19 19:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's very clear that they're corrupted by the fact that 80% of their revenue is from Google, maybe more. | Jan 19 19:44 |
| MinceR | in their fight to stay relevant they deliberately made themselves irrelevant. | Jan 19 19:44 |
| MinceR | FTFY | Jan 19 19:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And they might even be working with Google to plug all the other privacy leaks so that Google is in a privileged position to get more data from Firefox users than anyone else. | Jan 19 19:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Their privacy campaign is a cynical joke to sell their users to Google for more money. | Jan 19 19:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then, as their way of saying thanks, Google cuts Mozilla's royalties each year to slowly bleed them out and does subtle things to break Google sites on Firefox and sticks Get Chrome spam everywhere. | Jan 19 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I kind of get the WebExtensions thing because if it's a tough hill to climb to make an extension for Firefox, they no longer have the market share to convince most people to use a special setup. | Jan 19 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | WebExtensions can theoretically work on Webkit browsers. GNOME is interested in implementing them in Web, but doesn't have the resources to do it. | Jan 19 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I have a feeling that after all of this work on the WebkitGTK thing we're going to hear about Chromium being swallowed into GTK like what happened to Qt. | Jan 19 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | WebkitGTK dates back to when Chrome was one giant nothing burger. | Jan 19 19:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Google has managed to get everyone to use it because they can use their websites to hector you until you give up. | Jan 19 19:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The malware in government subsidized Androids made me laugh. The news ignored the fact that Android is basically NSA OS, and so is iOS. | Jan 19 19:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The main distinguishing feature of iOS is that they're also not really useful because the "curated" software in the App Store is pure shit. | Jan 19 19:54 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/03/4848c2d9b0fb554f.jpg | Jan 19 20:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/er1og5/firefox_isnt_interested_in_keeping_itself/ | Jan 19 20:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Firefox isn't interested in keeping itself relevant. Sites that sniff user agents and then break themselves on purpose don't deserve a real one. : firefox | Jan 19 20:24 | |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/nwIBxLLGsXxHQIiMJvOlCRzC > | Jan 19 20:29 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | BaronHK | Jan 19 20:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Honestly, Mozilla having no plan to break ublock-origin is one of the few things keeping me with Firefox. Google is changing Manifest just to cripple ad blockers and Raymond Hill said he "absolutely would not work to make ublock-origin less than what it is now". | Jan 19 20:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ouch. | Jan 19 20:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://twitter.com/MSEdgeDev/status/1218329212068585472?s=19 | Jan 19 20:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MSEdgeDev: Continuing a tradition that goes back nearly 14 years, our friends at @Firefox sent us an awesome cake! Thanks for… https://t.co/sVtB510Qw8 | Jan 19 20:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MSEdgeDev: Continuing a tradition that goes back nearly 14 years, our friends at @Firefox sent us an awesome cake! Thanks for… https://t.co/sVtB510Qw8 | Jan 19 20:39 | |
| MinceR | i thought edgy was supposed to be a totally new browser, written from scratch? :> | Jan 19 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apparently, Chromium Edge works in Wine, but not very well. | Jan 19 20:40 |
| MinceR | so just like on Backdoors? | Jan 19 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was surprised that Chromium Edge works on Windows 7. | Jan 19 20:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're supporting an operating system that isn't supported by them anymore? | Jan 19 20:41 |
| MinceR | yeah, i'd be surprised to see a microsloth product work, too | Jan 19 20:41 |
| MinceR | maybe it's supported by google and they didn't get around to breaking that part yet | Jan 19 20:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, Chrome plans to continue supporting Windows 7 for "at least 18 months". | Jan 19 20:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I suppose it makes no real sense to remove support for an OS that's already there in the underlying code. | Jan 19 20:42 |
| MinceR | which is exactly why microshit would do it | Jan 19 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But they'll probably introduce some bogus functionality tests to block it on Windows 7 even though it otherwise works. | Jan 19 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It would certainly not be the first time. | Jan 19 20:42 |
| MinceR | yup | Jan 19 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Halo 2 for Windows Vista actually worked fine on Windows 2000 (an OS that was 7 years older) with the "unofficial XP and Gravemind crash" patches. | Jan 19 20:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Essentially, the fix for Vista was to patch it to skip testing for OS functionality it didn't use. | Jan 19 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *Halo 2 Vista | Jan 19 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was a marketing tie-in, and the only thing stopping it from working on any semi-recent Windows was a bogus feature check. | Jan 19 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It may have even worked on Windows 98 and Me. I just didn't check. | Jan 19 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I managed to get Windows 98 working on a 2006 PC. Turned out Intel's WDM drivers worked. They just had the installer refuse to go any further if it didn't detect XP, but thr drivers worked on 98, Me, and 2000. | Jan 19 20:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR Diving into the INF files, there was leftover code that they had in there to support those systems and then they left it in after blocking at the installer. | Jan 19 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Insane. | Jan 19 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | After manually installing the drivers, no more unknown devices. | Jan 19 20:48 |
| MinceR | insane is just business as usual at microsuck | Jan 19 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/er13fr/android_user_have_you_noticed_that_firefox_is/ | Jan 19 20:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Android user? Have you noticed that Firefox is slower than other browsers on your device? Report them here, and I will file a performance bug (if I can reproduce the issue). : firefox | Jan 19 20:58 | |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/bkABsMtEtAfvthUgasBHHPeY > | Jan 19 20:58 | |
| XRevan86 | > but Mozilla seems to have removed extension support | Jan 19 20:59 |
| XRevan86 | It's not implemented yet, but they have stated that it is going to be implemented. | Jan 19 20:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: At least one major news site recently got rid of Taboola chumbucket ads. They had an article on a woman who got raped, and Taboola auto-generated "Here are women making rape jokes that are funny!". | Jan 19 20:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When the news site announced that they would be ending their relationship with Taboola, I smiled. | Jan 19 21:01 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 19 21:01 |
| MinceR | rape jokes ftw | Jan 19 21:01 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: do you believe them though? | Jan 19 21:01 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I don't see why not | Jan 19 21:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Firefox Preview seems to be just another crippled web browser for Android. | Jan 19 21:02 |
| MinceR | because they're the same as the rest | Jan 19 21:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like we need another one. | Jan 19 21:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My phone already has at least two that are bolted down to the firmware (Chrome and Samsung Internet). | Jan 19 21:02 |
| XRevan86 | You know, the bar is so low that no, it in fact isn't | Jan 19 21:02 |
| XRevan86 | I want a bloody browser where I can change a search engine | Jan 19 21:03 |
| XRevan86 | Is that too much to ask? Pretty much. | Jan 19 21:03 |
| XRevan86 | Point me to a non-Mozilla Android browser where I can add a custom search engine. | Jan 19 21:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Opera doesn't even let you change search engines anymore. | Jan 19 21:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Vivaldi maybe? | Jan 19 21:05 |
| *XRevan86 opened https://vivaldi.com/android | Jan 19 21:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Vivaldi Beta for Android | Vivaldi Browser | Jan 19 21:05 | |
| XRevan86 | oh hey, Bing on the screenshot | Jan 19 21:05 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 19 21:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I searched to figure out what was going on with Opera and why you can't use anything but Google. Apparently, Google paid them to do it. Oh proprietary software! How cute. | Jan 19 21:06 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: So it can get worse %) | Jan 19 21:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It can always get worse. | Jan 19 21:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just ask anyone who has ever been arrested by the police. | Jan 19 21:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Any lawyer worth his salt will say don't say anything and don't do anything that could possibly be construed as resisting arrest. | Jan 19 21:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If the underlying charge falls apart on them, the state will say you tried resisting arrest. They like doing that. | Jan 19 21:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A lot of people stand there and argue with the cops. | Jan 19 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've actually seen people going "What the hell are you doing?" and then later that was "resisting arrest". | Jan 19 21:10 |
| MinceR | and the judge/jury falls for this shit? | Jan 19 21:10 |
| XRevan86 | Vivaldi has a preset with no ability to add anything extra, but at least the preset isn't too rigid. | Jan 19 21:10 |
| MinceR | because if so, i have bad news for you regarding the usa | Jan 19 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Constantly. If a juror shows any sign of two brain cells touching, the state will try to eliminate them. | Jan 19 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What do you think voir dire is for? | Jan 19 21:11 |
| MinceR | then there's no rule of law in the usa | Jan 19 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Sometimes it's better to take your chance with the judge. | Jan 19 21:11 |
| MinceR | regardless of how much they're trying to pretend it's a democratic state that is by the people and for the people, the people are actually victims of the state | Jan 19 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the federal system, the sentencing guidelines are such that juries are never going to pay attention to it. | Jan 19 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The result is that after the new ones went in, the defendant loses at jury trial over 93% of the time. | Jan 19 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But if you go in front of a judge, the conviction rate is about 81%. | Jan 19 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In theory, the judge at least knows what the law is. And with jurors who can ignore the law and the government not looking into it, you're playing with fire. | Jan 19 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Your chances of conviction can actually go down if you have a legal argument for why you aren't guilty and you go before a judge. | Jan 19 21:14 |
| XRevan86 | So the jury is literally moral police? | Jan 19 21:14 |
| MinceR | the jury is an ancient bad idea given form | Jan 19 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pretty much. They can also set aside the law and decide you are not guilty even if they believe you committed the crime. | Jan 19 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For example, that juror thinks the Illinois FOID law is against the Second Amendment. | Jan 19 21:14 |
| XRevan86 | Moral police that goes two ways | Jan 19 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | State hauls in a guy for having a gun with no FOID card. | Jan 19 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That juror can vote not guilty and just not give any reason why. | Jan 19 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Prosecutors don't want people to know that. | Jan 19 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They'd be finished if jurors knew they could decide the law isn't worth a pitcher of piss and threw out the law. | Jan 19 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But that's basically what can happen. | Jan 19 21:16 |
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| MinceR | they did that before | Jan 19 21:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One of the reasons why the prosecutor in my case backed down so much in the plea deal is I told him that under no circumstances would I plead guilty to aggravated assault. | Jan 19 21:16 |
| MinceR | like when they decided that not only did crApple invent the rounded rectangle, but they could also patent it | Jan 19 21:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And if he wanted to continue, he'd better be ready to show that I got angry because my boyfriend brought home an illegal immigrant and was fooling around with him in front of me. | Jan 19 21:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He knew what I meant. | Jan 19 21:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 12 people on a jury. At least 1 would go "What the hell? I would have been mad too.". | Jan 19 21:17 |
| MinceR | of course it doesn't really matter whether the law prevails or what random individuals given power do | Jan 19 21:18 |
| MinceR | it all comes down to humans making decisions | Jan 19 21:18 |
| MinceR | whenever humans are trusted with making decisions, you can be sure that most of the time they'll make really shit decisions | Jan 19 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: This is how much discretion prosecutors had. Not only did the weapons charge go away. | Jan 19 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But so did any mention of violence. | Jan 19 21:18 |
| MinceR | giving people power is a huge mistake | Jan 19 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All of a sudden it went from "He was trying to kill two people with a knife." to "He made a minor nuisance of himself in public.". | Jan 19 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: C Misdemeanor Disorderly can be fighting, it can be arguing with a police officer who gets sick of dealing with it and just arrests you, it can be drunk in public. | Jan 19 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pretty much anything. | Jan 19 21:20 |
| MinceR | ooh, arguing with someone who is supposed to be serving the public | Jan 19 21:20 |
| MinceR | that's nice | Jan 19 21:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not a great thing to plead guilty to a crime, but it's better to plead to that than aggravated assault. | Jan 19 21:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > ooh, arguing with someone who is supposed to be serving the public | Jan 19 21:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In Indiana, Disorderly Conduct is "fighting". | Jan 19 21:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which can include a verbal disagreement where nobody even raises their voices. | Jan 19 21:21 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 19 21:21 |
| MinceR | like they say, "words can break my bones but sticks and stones will never hurt me" | Jan 19 21:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Mutual combatancy isn't necessarily a crime. | Jan 19 21:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if the state wants to charge you with something, it has to be Disorderly Conduct. | Jan 19 21:22 |
| MinceR | depends on how much they want to pretend rule of law | Jan 19 21:22 |
| MinceR | because they could really do whatever they felt like | Jan 19 21:22 |
| MinceR | in the end, it all comes down to who has the most military power anyway | Jan 19 21:23 |
| MinceR | and before then, which party has most soldiers on the supreme court | Jan 19 21:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: They arrested my ex boyfriend on two counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor. | Jan 19 21:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because they couldn't get him on statutory rape. | Jan 19 21:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The state has ways of criminalizing anything that's legal. You should know that. | Jan 19 21:24 |
| MinceR | and only convicts of it whomever they want | Jan 19 21:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Technically, plugging your cell phone in at a restaurant could be a Class A Misdemeanor. | Jan 19 21:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Theft of services. 1 cent worth of electricity. | Jan 19 21:24 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 19 21:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Get this... | Jan 19 21:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Once you're on Supervision or Probation, you sign a contract saying that you agree to warrantless searches for the next x number of years as part of that. | Jan 19 21:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What happens if your spouse or roommates don't consent to their things being searched? | Jan 19 21:26 |
| MinceR | let me guess, you get in trouble for it | Jan 19 21:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They can refuse, and then your probation officer can make you homeless by saying you can't live there anymore because someone else asserted their rights. | Jan 19 21:27 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 19 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Violating the probation contract in any way is a new crime. | Jan 19 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It doesn't only bring back the charge you plead guilty to. | Jan 19 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Technically, you could be pulled over for speeding. So you were speeding, which is speeding, a Class A Misdemeanor for violating probation because you agreed not to break any laws and speeding is a law, and then two aggravated assault charges come back. | Jan 19 21:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's up to the prosecutor, but they get another crack at you if they want it. | Jan 19 21:29 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | So nothing else can happen until August 8th, or I'm fucked. | Jan 19 21:30 |
| MinceR | it would be a lot easier if you were really rich | Jan 19 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Court Supervision is basically almost nothing in and of itself, but if you screw up again you're in worse trouble than before. | Jan 19 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Of course it would. | Jan 19 21:31 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I already went into severe debt to pay for a lawyer so I wouldn't get a court appointed lawyer they could bowl over to say I had a defense. | Jan 19 21:31 |
| MinceR | which is probably no coincidence | Jan 19 21:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Statistically, a court appointed lawyer is only free if you don't consider a 60% more severe outcome a cost. | Jan 19 21:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Prosecutors go easier on people who hire a private attorney even if that private attorney used to be a public defender. | Jan 19 21:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not even a secret. A private defense attorney blogged that the prosecution offers him deals he never got when he was a public defender. | Jan 19 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's reasons. | Jan 19 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Typically the prosecutor sees blood in the water if a person is so poor they can't even hire a defense. | Jan 19 21:34 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 19 21:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're less likely to have jurors be sympathetic to them or have mitigating factors. | Jan 19 21:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | With less to lose for going to court, more people who get public defenders turn down the plea deal and go to court. | Jan 19 21:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The public defenders typically get like 8 times less money than the prosecutor, and have to represent anyone the court tells them to. | Jan 19 21:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they have less time to research the facts of the case and see if there's anything they could use as a defense tactic in court. | Jan 19 21:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Part of the reason the prosecutor gave up is because he didn't see a guy who was $100,000 in debt, who just had his car repossessed, walk in there in jeans with a public defender. | Jan 19 21:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He saw me go in there with a well respected private defense attorney and I was wearing a suit. | Jan 19 21:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: You can't show any weakness with these people. | Jan 19 21:37 |
| MinceR | so, typical humans endowed with power | Jan 19 21:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You don't fuck around because they're not fucking around. If they get the slightest hint that you're bluffing them, the deal just got worse. | Jan 19 21:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. | Jan 19 21:38 |
| MinceR | there is a good thing about all this, though | Jan 19 21:39 |
| MinceR | humans are exterminating themselves | Jan 19 21:39 |
| MinceR | this circus of people torturing each other can only go on for so long | Jan 19 21:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: In one episode of Star Trek TNG, the Ferengi arrested one of their own for seeking revenge against Picard. Because there was no profit in it. Picard says, "There's never any profit in revenge, Number One.". | Jan 19 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's actually one of the themes in part of the bible. Basically, "Just accept you were wronged and get on with your life!". Paraphrasing. | Jan 19 21:56 |
| MinceR | fuck the bible, though | Jan 19 21:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You end up doing more harm to yourself always trying to have the last laugh about something. The point is a good one. | Jan 19 21:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: The idea of probation is they're watching you, except there's so many people doing so many bad things in so many places that even if you get misdemeanor probation, your probation officer has 600 other people to watch and 580 of them did something worse than you did, and hundreds of them will do something else and make her chase them down. They don't have time to fuck with you very much. Just keep your | Jan 19 22:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | appointments and don't use illegal drugs until it's over. | Jan 19 22:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have to prioritize who to harass. | Jan 19 22:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Obviously, they go after people who fuck kids and smoke crack and their ankle monitor says they didn't make curfew. | Jan 19 22:07 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | They have no real interest in Disorderly Conduct, at all, other than spending 5 minutes on you each month doing the bare minimum. | Jan 19 22:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You really have to try to violate minimum probation or court supervision (which is even more lax). | Jan 19 22:07 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I finally got around to bumping the version of WavPack in my foobar2000 encoders. | Jan 19 22:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I use the Windows 64-bit encoder from upstream because it is somewhat faster than the one that comes in foobar2000's codec pack. | Jan 19 22:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Basically just code correctness fixes is all that's landed in the last 3 years. Some CVE fixes that fix security issue that really aren't exploitable or serious. | Jan 19 22:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some fixes to id3v2.3, which isn't even the preferred tag format but remains for compatibility reasons. | Jan 19 22:31 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20010856 | Jan 19 22:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 19 22:40 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | They were discussing Ubuntu and security patches. | Jan 19 22:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't trust them since their record on that is inconsistent at best. | Jan 19 22:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Debian distributions in general just tend to be lulzy and Ubuntu is worse than that. | Jan 19 22:44 |
| <--norayr has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) | Jan 19 22:48 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | TIL: In 2005, a Best Buy in Baltimore called police on a black man who gave them 57 $2s as a protest against an installation fee for a car stereo they told him they'd waive. | Jan 19 23:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The police shackled him with leg irons and handcuffed him to a post for hours before the Secret Service came in and told them there was a $2 bill and that they were all real. | Jan 19 23:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then the police said that due to 9/11 you can't be too careful. | Jan 19 23:06 |
| XRevan86 | Could be murderous currency | Jan 19 23:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The police are stupid violent reactionary thugs who are worshiped by conservatives. | Jan 19 23:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So why wouldn't their response to arresting and shackling a man for using $2s while black be a noun, a verb, and 9/11? | Jan 19 23:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Interestingly, the conservatives say the police are heroes who are here to protect us so is the military, yet we need the second amendment in case they have to shoot them someday. | Jan 19 23:11 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Did they beat him up at least? The story feels incomplete. | Jan 19 23:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The story didn't say that they did. | Jan 19 23:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Doesn't mean that they didn't. They would have to beat him in case he was Osama bin Laden and trying to trick them with the $2s, I suppose. | Jan 19 23:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My husband told me someone smashed his sister's mailbox. | Jan 19 23:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "I was in synagogue.". (What Rahm Emanuel said when someone took down the Honorary Trump street sign.) | Jan 19 23:26 |
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