●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, April 19, 2022 ●● ● Apr 19 [00:01] MinceR \_()_/ [00:07] AltLink_c52c New Issue | Encrypted message | https://framagit.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/issues/31 [00:07] TR Bot Encrypted message (#31) Issues Crimeflare / deCloudflare GitLab [00:08] MinceR https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2022/04/13/the-eldest-ring [00:08] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: penny-arcade.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2022/04/13/the-eldest-ring https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2022/04/13/the-eldest-ring [00:08] TR Bot The Eldest Ring - Penny Arcade [00:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@s44cwn8sugddy.irc) has joined #techrights [00:10] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.16 k/sec., IPFS upstream 117.35 average k/sec., average swarm size 336.21 [00:10] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.16 k/sec., IPFS upstream 117.35 average k/sec., average swarm size 336.21 [00:11] DaemonFC Hmm, schestowitz-TR... [00:12] DaemonFC Walmart does TPMS sensors for $30 a tire. [00:12] DaemonFC Hard to argue with that. [00:12] DaemonFC I can swap out all of them and use my discount card. [00:15] matey I can swap out all of them and use my discount card. <- do you need to? if they do a shit job you might be worse off or something [00:15] matey but if you need to, maybe its worth the risk [00:15] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: fine, but this channel is not about your car anyway [00:15] matey #carrights [00:15] schestowitz-TR more like: [00:15] MinceR #cartech [00:15] schestowitz-TR #ryanscar [00:15] DaemonFC I was pretty pissed to find out they run on batteries in this car. [00:16] MinceR i suspect they run on batteries in every car [00:16] matey except the yugo, it had an extension cord [00:16] MinceR well, presumably not if the car has CTIS [00:16] MinceR lol [00:16] MinceR the yugo has no TPMS [00:16] MinceR nor CTIS [00:16] DaemonFC "Hey, you know that thing that worked forever in the Impala? Here, replace it every 5 years because of a stupid battery you can't remove." [00:16] matey i meant for the ignition [00:17] matey though maybe it didnt have that either [00:17] matey "just take this scraper and squeeze it like youre starting a blowtorch every second or two" [00:18] MinceR lol [00:18] matey you could spin a wheel around, but instead of ordinary spokes youd have candles... [00:18] MinceR you'd have very low RPMs that way [00:18] matey well it was a high-performance vehicle [00:18] matey at least until the lada came out [00:18] MinceR lol [00:19] TR News "Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 731 for the week of April 10 16, 2022." https://ubuntu-news.org/2022/04/18/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-731/ [00:19] TR Bot Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 731 [00:21] TR News "A talented IT professional like Kaplan is probably not expected to put on a uniform and carry a gun. During the periods when he is unavailable it is more likely that professionals like Kaplan are asked to assist with signals intelligence and cyber war." https://debian.community/lior-kaplan-mossad/ [00:21] TR Bot Lior Kaplan, Mossad & Debian [00:23] TR News "Before COVID, they were a full service shop, but you could buy parts there too, and after COVID, the store outside the shop is empty of retail stuff and they just want to service your car, for twice what the dealer rates are! Again, HOW?" https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/04/18/tpms-sensor-replacement-in-the-buick/ [00:23] TR Bot TPMS sensor replacement in the Buick. BaronHK's Rants [00:23] matey /me looks for information on compiling gtk2 without gperf, can only find it on github, where gtk2 is not based [00:23] matey of course its not going to tell me how, so im not going to go there. the point is its the only lead i could find [00:23] matey on github. where gtk2 is not based. [00:24] schestowitz-TR [20:20] Git is released. LWN and Phoronix link to MICROSOFT GITHUB (an ATTACK on Git!!!) instead of the actual announcement!! And if you search for Git in Wikipedia the second result isn't Git but GitHub, also an attack on Git. [00:24] schestowitz-TR [20:21] Letting GitHub control Git is like letting Microsoft control Linux or allowing Bill Gates to babysit your kids [00:24] schestowitz-TR ^ matey [00:26] matey schestowitz-TR and so your purchase is becoming chevy patchwork <- looks at roys computer setup [00:26] matey im not saying anythings wrong with it, except the argument [00:26] matey ^ matey <- im confused as to what youre pointing at [00:26] *activelow wonders what the motivation behind cmake was [00:27] matey just to cmake things difficult [00:27] activelow cmake, written in c++ (controlled by corps), supports portability towards microsoft [00:29] matey im confused as to what youre pointing at <- ah, now i understand. i filter out the bots, otherwise i wouldnt know what people in here are saying [00:30] matey of course on rare occasion, filtering them so i dont know what people are saying IS THE REASON i dont know what theyre saying [00:31] matey MinceR the ultimate being-repaired machine <- no, it doesnt run systemd [00:32] matey schestowitz-TR refreshes rss <- read this as "refreshes rms" but good luck [00:32] matey easier than refreshing fsf but theres a nuance [00:33] matey i mean a hard dependency [00:37] schestowitz-TR actually no... [00:38] schestowitz-TR I want to go through ryan's link using rss [00:38] schestowitz-TR and without js [00:38] schestowitz-TR rss is also my initials, but no connection [00:38] schestowitz-TR regarding my coimputers being patchwork, yes, it's true.. [00:38] schestowitz-TR I basically adds bits and bobs [00:38] schestowitz-TR and keep the older ones around, trying to maximise use of those [00:39] MinceR https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2022/04/15/surtr [00:39] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: penny-arcade.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2022/04/15/surtr https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2022/04/15/surtr [00:39] TR Bot Surtr - Penny Arcade [00:39] schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/04/18/work-from-home-setup/ [00:39] TR Bot Blog Archive My New Work-From-Home Setup (Changed This Easter/Sunday) [00:40] matey regarding my coimputers being patchwork, yes, it's true.. <- theres noting wrong with that, but its unavoidable with a car [00:40] matey it is an old car, and fixing it is bullshit, but the latter is because its a car, not because its old [00:41] matey the whole point of getting an old car was to avoid MORE bullshit, not to avoid bullshit altogether [00:41] matey its a lesser evil [00:41] matey you might say walking is a lesser evil, but it depends on the layout of where you live. you dont have to get mandy to work. [00:41] matey you live in a city that is suited to pedestrian life. [00:42] matey but no matter what, if you have a car, theres going to be bullshit and fixes-- if youre lucky you get a car that is LESS bullshit, and you dont have to do this as often [00:43] matey but its like getting a cat. even if its free, its going to cost you a lot when you first get it [00:43] matey /me doesnt know why they cant make cats that are better from the factory, but isnt qualified to do anything about it [00:44] MinceR it's an optimization attempt [00:44] MinceR eventually old cars become less reliable and more expensive to maintain [00:45] TR News GNU Parted 3.5 Released with Support for the Linux Home GUID, Bug Fixes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163876 [00:45] TR Bot GNU Parted 3.5 Released with Support for the Linux Home GUID, Bug Fixes | Tux Machines [00:47] activelow anyway, at first glance, attaching cmake to any component as a build time dependency (bdep) seems not critical [00:47] activelow yet, what happens once it is, such as, required by lz4 compression [00:48] activelow such a library, often, resides inside base system, then suddenly both cmake and c++ are pulled even when lz4 itself doesnt require it during runtime [00:48] activelow this poisons the whole tree [00:48] activelow similar situation with zstd (from facebook) [00:49] activelow autotools weren't that bad, except those weren't tailored for... deployment to microsoft [00:49] matey eventually old cars become less reliable and more expensive to maintain <- as opposed to new ones that are already like that when you get them [00:49] MinceR depends on the car in question [00:50] matey of course [00:50] MinceR mine is pretty reliable and inexpensive to maintain so far [00:50] matey either way the selection of 90s cars is getting smaller [00:50] matey unless they start making more of them [00:50] matey we would have to find some way to tell them [00:51] MinceR they can't, unless they invent the time machine [00:51] matey right? [00:51] matey in day of the tentacle, dr fred makes a time machine out of an edsel and "port-o-johns" [00:51] MinceR i'd be fine with naughties cars though [00:51] matey he was going to use an impala but dfc set him straight [00:52] XRevan86 autotools are great. Slow but great. Needlessly complicated but great. Complicated both as a design and as a programming experience. But great. [00:52] MinceR even later if i can have the telematics disabled without wreaking too much havoc [00:52] MinceR XRevan86: lol [00:52] XRevan86 So nothing wrong with autotols except that darn Microsoft deployment lobby. [00:52] matey requiring perl, but great [00:52] TR News Microsoft Windows TCO https://thehackernews.com/2022/04/russian-hackers-tried-attacking.html [00:52] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: thehackernews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://thehackernews.com/2022/04/russian-hackers-tried-attacking.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://thehackernews.com/2022/04/russian-hackers-tried-attacking.html [00:52] TR Bot Russian Hackers Tried Attacking Ukraine's Power Grid with Industroyer2 Malware [00:52] MinceR nothing wrong with autoconfuse as long as i don't have to use it [00:53] activelow XRevan86: you're saying it is great, i am saying cmake/meson/etc. add more problems than fixing any [00:53] matey XRevan86 <- suppose i hated autotools with a passion (not with a passion, havent used it) and i wanted to FORK a reasonable alternative to them [00:53] TR News Experiment with 80s graphics using this breadboard setup https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/19/experiment-with-80s-graphics-using-this-breadboard-setup/ [00:53] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: arduino.cc | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/19/experiment-with-80s-graphics-using-this-breadboard-setup/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/19/experiment-with-80s-graphics-using-this-breadboard-setup/ [00:53] TR Bot Experiment with '80s graphics using this breadboard setup | Arduino Blog [00:53] matey what should i fork instead? (because its probably github based and until its forked, no) [00:53] activelow in fact, with the build systems introduced, supposed to fix the greatness, the dependency graphs were blown up further [00:54] matey assume i have a team of a handful of skilled people (but not wizards) [00:54] TR News [PATCH 0/3] New SMCA Syndrome registers and FRU Text feature - Yazen Ghannam https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220418174010.330559-1-yazen.ghannam@amd.com/ Source: amd [00:54] TR Bot [PATCH 0/3] New SMCA Syndrome registers and FRU Text feature - Yazen Ghannam [00:54] activelow thinking about it, i do not want python as a build dependency of any package inside base system; autotools/make etc. are sufficiently great [00:54] MinceR yeah, cmake and meson are probably even worse [00:54] MinceR i'm glad neither lisp nor python needs any of that [00:54] matey thinking about it, i do not want python as a build dependency of any package inside base system <- you are so fucked [00:55] matey i'm glad neither lisp nor python needs any of that <- what about gnu libc? [00:55] MinceR it's abstracted from me in that case [00:55] XRevan86 matey: https://git.sr.ht/%7Elattis/muon fork this then. [00:55] TR Bot ~lattis/muon - sourcehut git [00:56] MinceR then again, if i had to write native code, it's possible that i could get away with relying on a reasonably standard set of free unixes and just use a makefile of some sort [00:56] matey my understanding (or hopefully misunderstanding) of gnu is that its MOSTLY perl and python, IF you intend to actually build the fucking thing (even just the core of it, not silly things that arent the least bit essential) [00:56] MinceR gmake if necessary [00:56] matey matey: https://git.sr.ht/%7Elattis/muon fork this then. <- cheers, thanks [00:56] activelow i am not saying it must be removed, cmake, python/meson, i am saying it must be possible to remove it from the base system [00:57] matey i am not saying it must be removed <- oh this isnt your fault, its just... theyre everywhere [00:57] activelow simply because, autotools/make are already there, and cannot be removed anyway, and with meson/python yet another bdep blows up the dependency graph [00:57] matey indeed [00:58] activelow cmake was a heavy attack against free software, it benefit microsoft, and noone else; _my_ opinion [00:59] activelow c++ itself, and the story related to gcc, was the next escalation, even worse the cmake attack [00:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 18.91 k/sec., IPFS upstream 66.60 average k/sec., average swarm size 282.53 [00:59] XRevan86 I'm failing to see the connection between CMake and Microsoft. [00:59] activelow XRevan86: cmake generates vstudio sln [00:59] TR News Some Web sites have become soooo dumb that they've outsourced everything to ClownFlare with JavaScript challenges made mandatory. Maybe those webmasters don't know what RSS feeds are; RSS readers cannot solve JS challenges!!! These sites commit suicide. Social control media won't redeem them. [00:59] activelow that's why, it's creeping into, the tree [00:59] XRevan86 activelow: The horror! ● Apr 19 [01:00] XRevan86 What other terrifying backends does it have? [01:00] activelow the horror is autotools+cmake+python/meson+++++ [01:00] activelow and, it's not possible to generate _simple_ makefiles with cmake [01:01] activelow as soon as cmake is involved, the makefiles are... almost as terrible than what automake exretes [01:01] activelow *excretes [01:01] XRevan86 activelow: Those aren't supposed to be used standalone. [01:02] XRevan86 autotools generating standalone Makefiles is one of the reasons of why it's so slow and complicated. [01:02] activelow yes, and i object to cmake blowing up the tree, particularly because cmake itself is implemented in c++ [01:02] XRevan86 And error-prone, albeit that's implied. [01:03] activelow besides, the components inside gentoo stage tarballs, do not require cmake (could have changed since zstd, need to check, i removed zstd which pulled in some rubbish) [01:03] XRevan86 activelow: I think that stops you from understanding why these tools are being used. [01:04] activelow XRevan86: i hacked with all of it, autotools, cmake, make, etc... [01:04] activelow i've had enough of it [01:04] matey cmake was a heavy attack against free software, it benefit microsoft, and noone else; _my_ opinion <- interested, but not sure why it helps microsoft [01:05] XRevan86 matey: Backends, my friend. [01:05] activelow it benefits microsoft, and blows up the dependency graph [01:05] matey /me is grateful there are non-shills who can provide counterpoints to activelow sometimes [01:05] XRevan86 matey: A non-Microsoft build system will only support make. [01:05] matey so cmake really is useless then [01:06] activelow no, cmake does not belong into the base-system, at least [01:06] activelow python/meson, same [01:06] XRevan86 Meson doesn't do make at all, by the way, it's oriented on ninja. [01:06] matey /me doesnt tend to investigate build tools, since no personal investigation would likely be as useful as collecting opinions from people who have used them [01:06] matey meson seems to be a power grab, or is it [01:07] AltLink_c52c New Issue | Dhl shipment | https://framagit.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/issues/32 [01:07] TR Bot Dhl shipment (#32) Issues Crimeflare / deCloudflare GitLab [01:07] activelow furthermore, it isn't autotools at fault, with the complexity involved, autotools are the swiss army knive of the unix wars [01:07] activelow at least, at that time, microsoft had no word to say; [01:07] XRevan86 Ironically, Meson is the best thing that could've happened to activelow (or muon is). [01:08] activelow so, all the goodies available with autotools, weren't with microsoft, except cygwin, and microsoft didn't deserve any better [01:08] activelow XRevan86: meson requires python... i'll track this and remove it, from the base system [01:08] activelow if possible [01:09] matey Meson is the best thing that could've happened to activelow <- why [01:09] matey (muon noted) [01:10] activelow and, none of it will be gone: cmake/meson/c++, i only clean up the dependency graph of the base-system [01:10] XRevan86 activelow: First of all, python can be stripped to be more palatable for the base system. Second of all, there are alternative implementations, one of which I already mentioned not once but twice. [01:10] XRevan86 matey: Because it's easy to use and easy to implement. [01:11] XRevan86 A no-nonsense build system, but no, we want ancient trash that is barely maintained because the design is spaghetti. [01:12] activelow didn't arrive at muon yet... noted [01:12] activelow given muon is implemented in C... that's ok. [01:14] matey /me wonders if gnu will hold onto autotools forever or replace it with something more reasonable [01:15] matey of course reasonable considers things like-- the possibility of compiling on a machine with 1gb of ram [01:15] matey if most of your packages will, and then the build system precludes this, thats not a great option [01:15] activelow with the c-only profile, 512MiB will suffice, 1GiB is premium already [01:15] XRevan86 matey: They'll maintain autotools forever, but they might start migrating the GNU software to Meson. [01:16] activelow and if tinycc succeeds... a single core should do [01:17] activelow gcc is very slow, g++ is a nightmare, an act of sabotage against free software developers [01:17] XRevan86 Said the person that was okay with autotools just now. [01:17] matey gcc is very slow, g++ is a nightmare, an act of sabotage against free software developers <- im quite certain sabotage is a real thing, but some choices are just stupidity [01:18] matey "never attribute to malice that which can be adequately" <- this adage wont always be useful in a corporate setting, but it isnt completely obsolete [01:18] activelow XRevan86: i am saying i cannot remove autotools, nor anyone else could, and meson/muon/cmake/... only added complexity to the dependency graph so far [01:18] matey how did muon complicate anything? [01:18] XRevan86 Fun fact: in smaller projects that use autotools, they're the slowest part of the build process by far. [01:18] matey Fun fact: in smaller projects that use autotools, they're the slowest part of the build process by far. <- this is good to know [01:19] activelow matey: it is an additional component, which needs testing etc (although the ninja->samurai transition was easy, once noticed samurai exists) [01:19] matey okay, so "inconclusive" then [01:19] matey requires more testing could still lead to a better option [01:20] activelow autotools compile many tests... it is the compilation which is slow... tested autotools with tinycc... alot faster, surprise [01:20] TR News Links 18/04/2022: GNU Parted 3.5 and Git 2.36 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/18/git-2-36/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/18/git-2-36/ [01:20] TR Bot Links 18/04/2022: GNU Parted 3.5 and Git 2.36 | Techrights [01:21] XRevan86 I think I should advocate to activelow that GCC with -O0 is the best kind of GCC. [01:21] TR News ClownFlare has trashed the World Wide Web and made no money in the process. We now need to eradicate this web-cancer, ASAP. [01:21] activelow XRevan86: i tried -O0, g++ remains what it is, extremely slow compilation [01:21] XRevan86 That might give GCC a fighting chance in activelow's compiler tests. [01:22] XRevan86 C++ is actually slower to compile than C. [01:22] activelow the only solution to g++ (and llvm alike), is their complete removal [01:22] XRevan86 There's nothing that can change that. [01:22] XRevan86 Except writing C++ code that avoids exceptions and such. [01:23] activelow well, gcc c compilation is very slow too in comparison to tinycc, yet i doubt the complexity of c++ allowed for an efficient compiler implementation [01:23] XRevan86 But even that requires at least C++11 because that's when "noexcept" was introduced. [01:23] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163877 [01:23] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [01:23] TR News Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163878 [01:23] TR Bot today's leftovers | Tux Machines [01:24] activelow no, g++ supported fno-exceptions/fno-rtti with v4.7 already [01:24] activelow nonetheless, then almost all packages break, because with c++ almost always exceptions are required [01:24] XRevan86 Fair enough, I'm too focused on the standards I guess. [01:26] XRevan86 activelow: Ah, well, naturally. [01:29] activelow anyway, tomorrow i'll track the GTK2/3 dependency graph and related goodies against c++ [01:30] activelow to my surprise, a powerful *nix workstation software set remains, even when cmake/c++ are removed entirely [01:30] matey it would be amazing to have a build system / repo that did was activelow is doing but built in as a feature [01:30] matey s/was/what [01:30] matey like you could say "show me whats possible without c++" and bam [01:30] activelow matey, i am fiddling my changeset into the gentoo tree [01:30] matey yes [01:31] matey but along a certain profile based on removing c++ as a dep [01:31] matey i mean something that would let you do this with various profiles [01:31] activelow gentoo, even supports the cxx flag, yet it isn't recognized against gcc anymore, because since v4.8 gcc _always_ ships a c++ compiler so this isn't tracked by gentoo portage anymore [01:32] matey gentoo, even supports the cxx flag, yet it isn't recognized against gcc anymore <- this puts up a red flag and even im sceptical gcc would drop support for that [01:32] matey but id love to know whose idea that was (red hat) [01:32] activelow it was dicussed on the mailing lists, mainly with arguments to restrict the feature set of c++ being used [01:33] XRevan86 matey: GCC is written in C++ now, so it needs the compiler for itself. [01:33] activelow yet, the masterminds missed the trivial fact, as soon as any single line of code of c++ resides inside gcc and must be compiled, then a c++ compiler is required [01:34] activelow and this is neat about gcc-4.7, it offers a c++ compiler, which requires only a C-compiler to bootstrap [01:34] XRevan86 Which in practice is not really an issue, except for some dubious purism. [01:35] activelow XRevan86: the c++ decision of GCC effectively drilled a nail into the coffin if GNU and free software [01:35] activelow *of [01:35] XRevan86 The argument cannot even be made for embedded, because no one ships a compiler there. [01:35] activelow "embedded", a buzzword nowadays, and even then, to my surprise, sdcc was implemented in c++, what a nonsense [01:35] XRevan86 activelow: Where can I inspect that nail and that coffin? [01:36] activelow XRevan86: gcc website [01:36] activelow i think it was gcc.gnu.org [01:36] XRevan86 activelow: The world appears to continue spinning. [01:37] activelow without free software, yes [01:37] XRevan86 And GCC has made a lot of improvements over the years, including its analyser, which made Clang less appealing. [01:37] XRevan86 In GCC 4.8 days Clang actually looked like it's going to take over the Linux world. [01:37] activelow i do not want no fu**ing C++ inside kernel/compiler/base-system [01:38] activelow llvm/clang was a c++ monstrosity from the beginning, no thanks [01:38] activelow llvm isn't an alternative, it's only some other sponsor involved there [01:38] activelow the alternative is: tinycc or pcc [01:38] XRevan86 activelow: Write a complaint to Sportlotto [01:39] XRevan86 (Soviet version of /dev/null) [01:40] activelow there was lengthy discussions about rust inside kernel, missing again the trivial fact, it's already there, dressed up as GCC-5.X since recently [01:40] XRevan86 activelow: Distinguish your wants with the free software needs. [01:41] activelow c++ is a demarcation line, of what can be considered free software and what can't be [01:41] XRevan86 Said one person. [01:41] matey The argument cannot even be made for embedded, because no one ships a compiler there. <- this is circular, isnt it? [01:41] activelow and, reminder, GTK2/3 are written in C; the developers even implemented Vala language to avoid c++ there [01:42] activelow now, what have we got, some years later? [01:42] XRevan86 matey: Not really, because it makes little sense to compile there. [01:42] matey i mean what hes trying to do is make a self-hosting embedded system [01:42] matey because it makes little sense to compile there <- so what youre saying is... and please dont let me twist your words, im not interested in doing that [01:42] matey id like an honest argument on both sides [01:42] XRevan86 activelow: They had their reasons to dislike C++. [01:42] matey a bullshit argument (even my own) is of no use to me really. [01:43] DaemonFC Lemonade is offering car insurance now. [01:43] matey but what youre saying is-- if a reasonable argument can be made to compile on say a pi with 1gb ram... [01:43] DaemonFC Looks pretty cheap if you pay in full. [01:43] matey then activelows quest isnt completely stupid [01:43] activelow btw. i already got such a self-hosting system; except u-boot loader which insists on swig/c++ (can be fixed, no time yet) [01:43] matey dont get me wrong, some of his decisions are of no use to me, though i dont consider the research a waste [01:43] XRevan86 matey: If embedded is so weak it can't fit G++, it's not going to be productive as a compiling station. [01:44] activelow and aarch64 kernel requires a c++ compiler currently, until i could implement an aarch64 asm processing backend for tinycc (huge task) [01:44] matey matey: If embedded is so weak it can't fit G++, it's not going to be productive as a compiling station. <- this seems like a recipe for endless bloat [01:44] XRevan86 matey: Also *having* G++ is not the same thing as trying to compile Chromium. [01:44] matey unless of course, g++ is (what youre implying) such a modest requirement. if so... then ok, thats an argument too [01:44] activelow i can easily use g++ on the cortex a53 here, yet this is a bad choice, on embedded, and everywhere else when _free_ software is desired [01:45] matey matey: Also *having* G++ is not the same thing as trying to compile Chromium. <-- well no, but i dont know who would conflate those, not even activelow [01:45] activelow chromiums is _not_ free software [01:45] XRevan86 matey: His quest is stupid even just because weak systems would want optimised code especially. [01:45] matey i can easily use g++ on the cortex a53 here, yet this is a bad choice, on embedded <- why does "embedded" need to self-host then? [01:45] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [01:45] matey matey: His quest is stupid even just because weak systems would want optimised code especially. <- so... law of diminishing returns? [01:45] XRevan86 matey: Optimisations benefit the weaker more than the stronger. [01:46] activelow matey: _free_ software _always_ _must_ self host on any system it is used [01:46] activelow otherwise it is not free [01:46] matey matey: _free_ software _always_ _must_ self host on any system it is used <- im not prepared to think thats true in a concrete way [01:46] DaemonFC "Do all drivers need the Lemonade app on their phone? (Yep!) [01:46] DaemonFC They do. We use telematics to price our policies fairly, to help with fast claims, provide on-site emergency services, and to calculate your CO emissions so we can plant trees in your name." [01:46] activelow because a non-self-hosting setup typically implies limitations to freedom [01:46] DaemonFC Yeah, so it has all the downsides of MetroMile as far as tracking, plus it knows if you're using the phone. [01:46] matey because a non-self-hosting setup typically implies limitations to freedo <- im pretty sure we can come up with a reasonable counter example [01:47] XRevan86 So if I build a binary in one play and copy it to another, it's not free. [01:47] matey there must be worthwhile systems so modest that it would only make sense to compile on something more powerful [01:47] XRevan86 * in one place [01:47] activelow matey: then, come on, how many dozens of millions of lines of code does your non-self-hosting setup add to the toxic mix? [01:47] matey but... on the other side of the coin, llvm is so bloated that even saying its "self hosts" seems a bit cynical [01:47] matey it self hosts if you invest a fuckload of money, when you could use gcc instead [01:48] DaemonFC https://nypost.com/2022/02/16/heres-why-used-cars-are-getting-so-expensive/ [01:48] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: nypost.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://nypost.com/2022/02/16/heres-why-used-cars-are-getting-so-expensive/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://nypost.com/2022/02/16/heres-why-used-cars-are-getting-so-expensive/ [01:48] TR Bot Heres why used cars are getting so expensive [01:48] matey matey: then, come on, how many dozens of millions of lines of code does your non-self-hosting setup add to the toxic mix <- no, i agree with THAT part, not that the two parts are interdependent really [01:48] DaemonFC Used cars are going up way faster than new ones. [01:48] activelow matey: gcc-4.7, not any later anymore [01:48] matey okay, but... [01:48] DaemonFC Of course, people see this as the last hoorah for something that was built right. [01:48] XRevan86 Simple truth, again: TinyCC is not capable of compiling well, it can compile quickly but not well. [01:48] DaemonFC Wait until the government makes them install facial recognition in 2026 to disable the car if it thinks you're tired or drunk. [01:48] DaemonFC How much does that cost? [01:48] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, ^ [01:48] matey i still see your system as performance art and research, rather than something that people are likely to use [01:49] matey and i think its got great potential-- i made a programming language for RHETORICAL purposes [01:49] XRevan86 s/are likely to/would ever/ [01:49] matey this seems like a rhetorical distro [01:49] DaemonFC That picture is odd. [01:50] DaemonFC I didn't know there was a lot's worth of 2008 Minis that still ran in all of America. [01:50] matey TinyCC is not capable of compiling well, it can compile quickly but not well. <- activelow is one of three people interested in having tinycc as an option [01:50] DaemonFC Much less on the same lot at the same time. [01:50] matey three people in this channel, that is [01:50] DaemonFC And $22,000 is $22,000 more than any Mini is worth. [01:50] DaemonFC MinceR, ^ [01:50] XRevan86 matey: As I said before, he's more than welcome to try to fix TinyCC. [01:50] matey as an option, not necessarily as a preferred option. just a possible one. [01:50] matey i dont think he considers it broken for his needs [01:51] XRevan86 matey: In this channel, who are the other two? [01:51] matey and as long as there are other options, he wouldnt need to fix it if its not broken for his needs [01:51] matey matey: In this channel, who are the other two? <- myself (for now) and one ill leave out (except to count them) [01:51] matey im sure they dont want to get wrapped up in this [01:51] matey but you can spot them if you look [01:52] matey note that none of this would likely make us use baphometos of course [01:52] XRevan86 matey: His needs could include a COBOL compiler, that wouldn't make it any more suited to compile real C code. [01:52] activelow concerning TinyCC, first i'll dump the entire package set into it, and collect a list of what's broken (which i know some already) [01:52] activelow at bare minimum, everything compiles, and executes flawlessly [01:52] activelow furthermore, tinycc does slightly optimize close to -O1, which is, good enough [01:52] matey if the definition of "real c code" changes, im not sure its fair to ask every compiler to follow suit [01:53] activelow because the tradeoff is _perfect_, 10x faster compilation, slightly slowler execution speed [01:53] matey it depends what you mean by "real c code"-- from what activelow is doing, it sounds like he has a pretty large subset of "real c code" that compiles with tinycc [01:53] matey unless hes fooling himself [01:53] DaemonFC https://nypost.com/2022/04/18/harness-on-orlando-ride-was-adjusted-before-tyre-samsons-death/ [01:53] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: nypost.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://nypost.com/2022/04/18/harness-on-orlando-ride-was-adjusted-before-tyre-samsons-death/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://nypost.com/2022/04/18/harness-on-orlando-ride-was-adjusted-before-tyre-samsons-death/ [01:53] TR Bot Harness on Orlando ride was adjusted before Tyre Samson's death [01:53] DaemonFC The ride has a 300 pound weight limit and they couldn't tell THIS was too big to get on the ride. [01:53] activelow furthermore, processing of big data is limited by memory i/o, less dependant on highly optimizing compilers than "benchmarks" imply [01:54] matey The ride has a 300 pound weight limit <- those arent suggestions [01:54] DaemonFC No they aren't. [01:54] matey i mean the engineers do provide [01:54] activelow yes matey, there is an extensive test case available, i am certain passes gcc-4.7 C-only [01:54] matey SOME leeway, but they dont put that leeway in the spec (for good reason imo) [01:54] XRevan86 I can make a synthetic test that will freeze up tinycc compiled binaries completely while GCC would crunch it easily. [01:54] DaemonFC A good engineer is a little conservative, at least on paper. [01:54] DaemonFC But this guy was obviously way over. [01:54] matey I can make a synthetic test that will freeze up tinycc compiled binaries completely while GCC would crunch it easily. <- proving what exactly? [01:54] activelow and, this system is rather useful already, given this irc box is already using the c-only profile [01:55] matey that gcc can compile hypoethetically useful code better? [01:55] XRevan86 matey: Not necessarily fair, but that "slightly" is not a fair assessment either. [01:55] matey im sure that in practical terms, activelows requirements are nuts [01:55] matey im fairly convinced thats a great place to start though [01:55] XRevan86 matey: Yes, that real code can be *significantly* slower with tinycc. [01:56] matey but we know that already, it doesnt tell us anythign we dont already know [01:56] DaemonFC I like to try to keep things within the specified tolerances of the engineers. [01:56] DaemonFC Maybe do them a little better. [01:56] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [01:56] activelow furthermore, i am targetting a _clean_ base system, which i am already using to bootstrap any later GCC version for example, or c++ stuff, _outside_ the base system [01:56] XRevan86 matey: I think I said this before: there's one person that disagrees with you here. [01:57] activelow i want to keep clean the base system [01:57] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@wkhuexd2esqpc.irc) has joined #techrights [01:57] activelow and, tinycc is known it can bootstrap gcc-4.7 (x86_64); a voila [01:57] activelow because, gnu guix couldn't bootstrap anymore since gcc-2.8/egcs [01:58] activelow which is hitting another show-stopper, of what went wrong, with GNU [01:58] DaemonFC I actually do run better fluids in my car than the engineers call for. [01:58] matey /me has about as much interest in guix as macos [01:58] matey actually less, but with both its close to 0 [01:58] DaemonFC I had them replace the DOT 3 brake fluid with DOT 4 while they were flushing it out anyway today. [01:58] DaemonFC Might as well. [01:58] DaemonFC They're compatible, so it won't like, destroy anything if there was a little DOT 3 left in there. [01:59] activelow i am not interested in guix itself, i am only interested in the bootstrapping procedure which guix implemented for GCC-2.7 (LONG time ago, and broken since gcc-2.8) [01:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 40.03 k/sec., IPFS upstream 46.80 average k/sec., average swarm size 414.98 [01:59] matey macos being non-free is of no use to me, though darwin is at least hypothetically interesting (has been for years) [01:59] matey (not likely to become more than hypothetically interesting soon) [01:59] matey i am not interested in guix itself, i am only interested in the bootstrapping procedure which guix implemented for GCC-2.7 (LONG time ago, and broken since gcc-2.8) <- fair enough ● Apr 19 [02:00] matey matey: I think I said this before: there's one person that disagrees with you here. <- and im still interested in your arguments. an echo chamber would be a REALLY stupid thing to have on this [02:00] XRevan86 matey: Darwin is pretty uninteresting in my opinion. [02:00] XRevan86 matey: I meant activelow. [02:00] matey matey: Darwin is pretty uninteresting in my opinion. <- its mentioned for purely rhetorical reasons [02:00] matey I meant activelow. <- no problem [02:00] matey either way, no problem [02:00] XRevan86 matey: That he clearly takes this very seriously. [02:01] matey well, i think theres an element of obsession to this [02:01] matey but you could say the same for rms or even the wright brothers (not to put him in the same category per se) [02:02] matey just that obsession isnt always a bad thing (it can uh... have side effects obviously-- and lead someone away from a reasonable answer sometimes) [02:02] matey sometimes, but not always [02:02] DaemonFC 40 microfiber towels.... :/ [02:02] matey but the counterpoint is useful [02:02] XRevan86 matey: Some people fight oppressors, some people fight windmills. One can say they have a thing in common. [02:02] DaemonFC I didn't want that many, but it was almost the same price as 10... [02:02] matey matey: Some people fight oppressors, some people fight windmills. One can say they have a thing in common. <- but theres a nuance [02:03] XRevan86 matey: Yes there is :) [02:03] DaemonFC Oh well. I can just use as many as I need I guess. I found some waterless car wash. [02:03] matey in tech i think tilting at windmills can be good sometimes [02:03] matey it really depends on the windmill [02:03] DaemonFC Half the year I can do my own in the parking lot with that, then for a few months when there's salt and stuff, I can switch to a car wash subscription. [02:03] matey for example, my windmill moved me from gnu to openbsd [02:04] matey farther from ibm (though i think llvm is a mistake) [02:04] matey from bash to ksh (which for my purposes, even practical use, is an upgrade) [02:04] matey from leafpad to my own editor which is WAY more useful than leafpad [02:04] matey these are practical benefits of my windmill [02:05] matey so far im pleased with not only the work im doing, but where it has led [02:05] matey the point being-- [02:05] matey on the surface, im sure the work im doing looks JUST AS nutty as what activelow is doing [02:05] matey and so, credit where credit is due (imo) [02:05] matey i can see his work being useful... as a starting point for something less windmill-ish [02:06] XRevan86 matey: No, it can be argued against but definitely not JUST AS. [02:06] matey how familiar are you with what im doing though? [02:06] activelow matey: OpenBSD were the first to re-consider a sane compiler, PCC [02:06] matey im not asking to toot my own horn, the whole argument hinges on it [02:06] activelow hence my surprise, when they switched to llvm/clang [02:06] XRevan86 matey: At least there's a text editor as output of this? :) [02:07] matey in fact theres little incentive to toot my own horn when people are more likely to throw tomatoes than roses [02:07] matey matey: At least there's a text editor as output of this? :) LOL [02:07] matey fair enough! [02:07] matey /me laughs [02:07] matey but seriously, i can see an outcome to activelows windmill [02:07] matey i really can [02:07] *XRevan86 can't. [02:08] matey well i think your take on it is a bit more cynical, but also useful. [02:08] matey his work NEEDS a counterpooint [02:08] activelow although, OpenBSD compilation with PCC wasn't maintained since 2007 anymore, tinycc was more actively maintained [02:08] matey i actually seek counterpoints to my own work, but i do it as stealthily as possible to focus on opinions i trust and not get bothered by trolls [02:08] XRevan86 I see it as another TempleOS, that thing only has exotic value. [02:08] matey opinions i trust, even if i dont agree. [02:09] matey that thing only has exotic value. <- i dont think its nearly as nutty as that [02:09] matey almost nothing is [02:09] matey templeos was purely insane [02:09] matey unless someday we find it contacts benevolent aliens or something. then im happy to say i was wrong. [02:09] matey if it saves humanity, then ok, point for templeos [02:09] XRevan86 matey: It won't. [02:09] matey yeah im pretty sure too [02:11] XRevan86 matey: This tries to solve a non-problem and goes to great lengths for it. [02:11] XRevan86 I dislike that. [02:11] XRevan86 It's too disproportionate, how ye say, obsessive. [02:13] activelow terry used his templeos together with an Ubuntu [02:14] activelow what my system replaces is the ubuntu part, in the realm of templeos i am aiming for z80/gigatron [02:14] activelow and gigatron is the real temple [02:14] XRevan86 matey: Well, that answers that. [02:15] activelow and tinycc is the holy-c compiler equivalent [02:15] XRevan86 activelow: Is gigatron a German word? [02:16] activelow XRevan86: it's dutch-made [02:16] activelow and otherwise, i am nowhere near the intellect of terry [02:17] matey matey: Well, that answers that. <- \_()_/ [02:17] matey /me cant do the face part [02:17] matey it doesnt render here at all [02:18] matey It's too disproportionate, how ye say, obsessive <- as long as we are on the subject [02:18] matey and i realise its apples vs orchards... [02:18] matey but why "ye"? i mean, people still say "ya" and it means the same [02:19] matey im not suggesting an update, only curious [02:19] matey theres obviously some reason you do it [02:19] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [02:20] matey today we are challenging activelows project entirely [02:20] matey or close enough [02:20] XRevan86 matey: A bit of a challenge for myself, to make sure I can easily differentiate subjects from objects on the fly. Which I can :). [02:20] matey for now [02:20] XRevan86 matey: Incidentally, it's grammatically correct albeit old-fashioned. [02:20] matey alright [02:21] matey that doesnt surprise me [02:21] XRevan86 ("what say ye", "hear ye, hear ye" are proper examples of the pronoun) [02:21] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Blogging about the Chevy showroom. [02:21] DaemonFC "I noticed several things right off the bat. The paint quality looks terrible on most of the cars, the interior is usually cheap plastic. There's absolutely nothing upscale about any of this. It doesn't feel premium. It feels like a cheap KIA, but the cheapest new Chevy I saw there (a base model Equinox SUV, made in Mexico.....bet that'll last) was nearly $30,000, and might be north of $30,000 by the time taxes and dealer nonsense gets added on." [02:21] matey but as a choice? [02:21] DaemonFC "The average was about $45,000 for a new vehicle, and the nicer ones, the trucks of course, were $50,000-$60,000. But the window sticker that said that the $60,000 Chevy Silverado was made in Mexico (LOL) also said that GM removed the heated seats.....but there's still a button that doesn't do anything...for the driver and the passenger." [02:21] DaemonFC "And they compensate you....$50, for its removal." [02:22] matey i mean there must be some reason you favour it [02:22] *bnchs has quit (Quit: Leaving) [02:23] XRevan86 matey: Don't really know, I guess it's because I dislike that English as a whole goes the entirely opposite direction :) [02:24] XRevan86 The strict word order allows English speakers to confuse the pronoun cases entirely. [02:25] matey so theres an argument for better accuracy / less ambiguiity? [02:25] activelow anyway, baphos isn't any arbitrary distro, it is the last one remaining free; there isn't any other maintained to my knowledge (except aboriginal until 2016) [02:26] matey it is the last one remaining free <- of course it always depends on how free is defined [02:26] XRevan86 matey: So nothing much, just a manifestation of my view on languages. I might stop doing that if I decide that causes me to stick out too much. [02:26] matey i mean if youre going to claim somethins is free, it helps to say why its "more" free or "less" free (i have to do the same, and do) [02:26] activelow it was explained in detail already [02:26] matey if I decide that causes me to stick out too much. <- it sticks out like a sore thumb, however i have an eye for tiny details [02:26] matey other people may already see it as "you" when they read you [02:27] activelow and here is the other good news: i doubt any other project could catch up anymore with baphometOS [02:27] matey it was explained in detail already <- not disputed, only that to say its "more free" always depends on the definition of free [02:27] activelow for either political or technical reasons [02:27] XRevan86 Alpine and Void are the only free distributions, because only musl distributions are free per musl-oriented definition of freedom. [02:27] activelow projects such as debian/fedora/etc simply can't rollback to a sane state [02:27] XRevan86 Or maybe Alpine and Void are not free because glibc is the only free option? [02:27] matey projects such as debian/fedora/etc simply can't rollback to a sane state <- i dont agree, i only agree that they WONT do that. [02:27] matey not that they cant [02:28] matey for most purposes its the same thing. [02:28] activelow XRevan86: alpine is among the ones i had considered, yet i doubt alpine will succed with a no-c++/gcc-4.7/tcc profile [02:28] DaemonFC "The inventory at the Chevrolet dealer was maybe 5-8% of normal, most of the lot was empty. To disguise the fact that there were so few new vehicles to choose from, they parked the trucks sideways so that they would take up three parking spots. Just like their owners. Maybe it's just good client management. I don't know. Maybe they can paint handicapped signs on the parking spots as a form of suggestive selling." [02:28] XRevan86 activelow: Naturally, but might as well redefine freedom to fit it :) [02:28] activelow and even if, how much time would alpine devs need, to roll-back to gcc-4.7/no-c++ at least? [02:29] activelow and even if, they won't for other reasons [02:29] matey it sticks out like a sore thumb, however i have an eye for tiny details <- i make glaring typos more often than you say "ye" so... [02:29] matey in this channel at least, it might be a non-issue [02:29] matey (im not the only one) [02:30] activelow debian/fedora/and the other big ones are a lost cause, who got the manpower and funding, but cannot do it, for political reasons [02:30] matey but might as well redefine freedom <- in fairness, there are a lot of people in the world who do just that... and some who can even justify doing so [02:30] matey but there is an indisputable subjectivity to it [02:30] matey and probably unavoidable [02:30] activelow *BSD switched to llvm/clang, good luck with that, youre kernels are rustified, with a c++ compiler, what a glory [02:30] XRevan86 matey: I have reasons to want discretion, but I feel like it's too late for that, as I grew up in a more free society and have made too many mistakes in the past. [02:31] matey matey: I have reasons to want discretion <- then id advice not using "ye" in any writings tied to your real identity [02:31] matey another typo [02:31] matey advise [02:32] XRevan86 matey: Every writing is tied to my real identity. [02:32] matey then theres no problem with ye [02:32] AltLink_c52c New Issue | Boost and get 1 BTC today! | https://framagit.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/issues/33 [02:32] TR Bot Boost and get 1 BTC today! (#33) Issues Crimeflare / deCloudflare GitLab [02:32] matey at least in that context [02:32] XRevan86 Right, so basically it's too late for me. [02:33] matey one side effect of using "ye" is that since its mostly associated with "pirate talk" in modern times [02:33] matey some people who notice you using it MIGHT start to think you sound like a pirate when you speak [02:33] matey it depends on usage though. if you say "hear ye hear ye" then it sounds like old fashioned english [02:33] matey if you say "ye" in almost any other context, it sounds more like pirate [02:34] XRevan86 yarr [02:34] XRevan86 scurvy [02:34] matey yarr interestingly enough, is an indian word meaning "friend" [02:34] matey so its used in india (not just by pirates) [02:35] matey later i will try to imagine what a pirate would sound like if they were from india, but i really should put russell peters in charge of that [02:35] matey "can you imagine what pirates would sound like if they were from india?" [02:35] matey he could do it, if anyone could [02:36] matey everyone from everywhere loves his accents (chinese fans always tell him what a great impression he does of chinese accents, for one example) [02:36] matey hes canadian, but of indian descent [02:36] matey so he starts with asian accents (including indian) but then moves to stories about the african guy in the casino named !XOBle [02:37] TR News Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-180422.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-180422.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-180422.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-180422.txt [02:37] TR Bot IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, April 18, 2022 [02:37] XRevan86 It's funny that when I make a fake Russian accent no one can tell. [02:37] matey nyessur ekaf! 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[02:50] matey but its not only for defending your life, its for defending your rights [02:50] XRevan86 matey: For some reason in countries where democratic institutions work better the social demand for guns is lower. [02:50] matey matey: For some reason in countries where democratic institutions work better the social demand for guns is lower. <- here you have to define democracy [02:50] matey and this is the reason why: its not because my definition is exotic compared to yours. [02:51] matey its because everyone is really offering a SUBSET of democracy [02:51] matey and those subsets TEND TO favour takeover by capitalists [02:51] matey in the long run. in the short run, good luck to you sweden [02:51] matey id say good luck eu, but i might as well say "good luck santa claus" [02:51] XRevan86 matey: I used the word "institutions" specifically to point out that democracy is defined by how well the government is capable to adapt to its people. [02:51] matey thats fair of course [02:52] *includeals (~includeal@a89-153-106-143.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #techrights [02:52] XRevan86 When people trust the process, it usually means that the process gives results. [02:53] matey there im sceptical [02:53] matey a lot of people trust blatant and obvious liars [02:53] matey for me to make the statement it would have to be "when people CAN trust the process" [02:53] matey and that changes a heck of a lot [02:53] XRevan86 matey: In Russia I see some weird shit: people don't trust the process, but they'll also die on its hill. [02:53] matey i think MOST democracy is a farce. not the idea, the implementation [02:54] matey somehow i think if everyone is armed it will be the other way. [02:54] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #techrights [02:54] XRevan86 Conservatives in the US are a lot like that as well. [02:54] matey people don't trust the process, but they'll also die on its hill. <- yeah thats not for me [02:54] matey in the usa, democracy is a veil over capitalists running the country [02:54] matey and little else [02:54] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:54] XRevan86 matey: Like conservatives in the US will bash the police but they'll also support the police [02:55] MinceR 19 035008 < XRevan86> matey: For some reason in countries where democratic institutions work better the social demand for guns is lower. [02:55] MinceR they never work well enough to make guns unnecessary [02:55] XRevan86 matey: But the first part is still there: even they don't trust the process. [02:55] matey also, the "low social demand for guns" doesnt seem to extend to all the freakin wars that the country finds itself in [02:55] matey if you want to, like mincer, get rid of the state-- SOMEONE has to be armed [02:56] matey if the state doesnt exist, then the people have that job. [02:56] matey but if the people have that job, what do you need a state for? [02:56] matey running the country? the people have that job too. [02:56] MinceR indeed [02:56] MinceR also, the state is doing a piss-poor job everywhere [02:56] matey no it does a great job of wasting shit and killing people [02:56] XRevan86 matey: I don't see a stateless society working just yet. [02:57] matey matey: I don't see a stateless society working just yet. <- its completely impossible at first [02:57] matey actually literally impossible [02:57] matey at first [02:57] MinceR i don't see a stateful society working either [02:57] matey i don't see a stateful society working either <- it never will [02:57] matey which is why a transition to a stateless society is the only reasonable option [02:57] XRevan86 I'm currently at a point when I want a basic civil society. [02:57] matey it all depends on how you transition [02:57] MinceR and you'll never have it [02:58] MinceR humans are incapable of it [02:58] matey I'm currently at a point when I want a basic civil society. <- yes, thats what any sany person want [02:58] matey humans are incapable of it <- not in practice [02:58] MinceR sane people are rare [02:58] matey to be fair, when we find sane people we tend to kill them and take their shit [02:58] matey but they arent gone yet [02:59] matey they just live in very low numbers [02:59] XRevan86 I don't care if libertarian, I don't care if communist, I want basic civil shit. [02:59] matey I don't care if libertarian, I don't care if communist, I want basic civil shit <- i have good news [02:59] matey you can definitely have basic civil shit with AT LEAST ONE of those ● Apr 19 [03:00] matey and by definitely i mean definitely with the level of confidence that people had about using fission to power cities. [03:00] XRevan86 What I mean is that politics on this level are not relevant to me. [03:00] matey which was not enormous. [03:00] matey What I mean is that politics on this level are not relevant to me. <- you just want the outcome [03:01] matey its funny how much society works that way [03:01] XRevan86 I'm siding with the basic civil shit faction. [03:01] DaemonFC The brake pads and rotors on the Buick all appear to have been replaced about 9,000 miles ago. [03:01] matey "i want cake" "heres the ingredients and a kitchen" "what the is this" [03:01] matey the fuck [03:01] DaemonFC Well, at least there's that. [03:01] DaemonFC For something stupid easy like that you'd be crazy to go to the dealer. [03:02] matey I'm siding with the basic civil shit faction. <- theres a good side to this of course [03:02] DaemonFC Any muffler shop ought to be able to do it for less. [03:02] matey anyone who can actually deliver, will have your support at least [03:02] XRevan86 matey: That they will. 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[03:50] DaemonFC https://www.13wmaz.com/article/news/verify/money-verify/no-gas-vehicles-not-cheaper-than-electric-to-drive/536-7c3971c1-fd77-4c1f-96bd-8f3e27b39028 [03:50] TR Bot vehicles cheaper than gas to drive | 13wmaz.com [03:50] DaemonFC 'VERIFY found that it costs about 17 cents to drive one mile in an average gas-powered vehicle versus roughly 5 cents to drive one mile in an electric vehicle." [03:50] DaemonFC Yeah, until your $5,000 battery breaks down and needs replaced. [03:50] DaemonFC Some hybrids start blowing main fuses as the battery ages. [03:51] DaemonFC And if it's out of warranty, you have to replace that, then the battery. [03:51] DaemonFC Or the entire car. [03:51] matey how much are the fuses? [03:52] matey /me assumes the purpose of the fuses blowing is to prevent an explosion [03:52] matey yay fuses [03:52] DaemonFC Yeah, so Kia shoves a bigger fuse in there. [03:52] DaemonFC And says there's your free warranty repair. :) [03:52] matey of course we could compare them to light bubls, but light bulbs arent designed to prevent explosions per se [03:53] matey so Kia shoves a bigger fuse in there. <- dont buy kia? [03:53] matey though i see your point [03:54] DaemonFC " [03:54] DaemonFC Additionally, prolonged use of fast-charging stations can have a negative impact on an electric vehicles battery capacity. Engineers at the University of California, Riverside found that high temperatures and resistance from fast charging at commercial stations can cause cracks and leaks, the Institution of Mechanical Engineers reported in 2020. [03:54] DaemonFC " [03:54] DaemonFC LOL [03:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.46 k/sec., IPFS upstream 31.53 average k/sec., average swarm size 328.53 ● Apr 19 [04:01] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [04:05] matey "Engineers at the University of California, Riverside" <- it would be california [04:05] matey but this makes me wonder if fast chargers shorten the life of phone batteries too [04:19] matey www.howtogeek.com/786516/is-fast-charging-your-smartphone-bad-for-its-battery/ Fast charging may shorten the battery's lifespan compared to using a standard charger. Most studies looking at the heat generated by fast-charging lithium-ion cells are focused on electric vehicle batteries [04:19] matey www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/does-fast-charging-affect-battery-life-6-phone-battery-questions-answered/ Fast charging won't damage your battery A conventional charger has an output of 5 to 10 watts. A faster charger can improve that by up to eight times. <- cnet, so it must be true [04:19] matey www.quora.com/Does-fast-charging-shorten-the-lifespan-of-your-phone?share=1 Answer (1 of 7): Does fast charging shorten the lifespan of your phone? Independent research says no it will not but when it comes to charging our beloved smartphones there are more myths than actual facts [04:20] matey get two phones and compare! [04:20] matey maybe for long time [04:21] matey and have two phone numbers, and keep switching back and forth, and make your friends think youve gone crazy [04:21] DaemonFC https://www.pcmag.com/news/duckduckgo-removes-piracy-related-sites-youtube-ripping-tools?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook [04:21] TR Bot Issue Affects DuckDuckGo Results for Piracy Sites, YouTube Rippers | PCMag [04:21] matey microsoft: okay you can keep youtube-dl on github, for now-- ill just remove it from searches instead! [04:32] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [04:53] matey http://kbd-project.org/ [04:53] TR Bot KBD Linux keyboard tools. [04:53] matey The latest stable version of kbd can always be found on: [04:53] matey https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kbd/ [04:53] TR Bot Index of /pub/linux/utils/kbd/ [04:53] matey https://github.com/legionus/kbd/releases [04:53] TR Bot legionus/kbd GitHub [04:53] matey (this is the part of "linux" that includes chvt) [04:54] matey there is code that does what chvt does for (free)bsd, but its written by werner koch [04:54] matey except for gnupg i try to avoid anything written by werner koch [04:56] matey i havent used chvt in more than a year, but i do like having it [04:56] matey the real point here, is kbd though [04:57] matey its part of the linux kernel (or at least, part of the kernel.org git) AND its developed partly on github [04:57] matey its not just a mirror [04:57] matey this is not the only such example, its the first one ive noted in a year though [04:58] matey the kernel, like gnu, is (still) drifting CLOSER to, not FARTHER from, github [04:59] matey at least it doesnt do this quickly, and roy of course will always say github will collapse, github will collapse [04:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.01 k/sec., IPFS upstream 34.93 average k/sec., average swarm size 500.48 [04:59] matey all the same, the kernel is not get farther from github, its getting closer to it ● Apr 19 [05:00] matey bug reporting says: [05:00] matey fron page of http://kbd-project.org/ [05:00] matey If you think that github is the future, then use it: https://github.com/legionus/kbd/issues [05:00] TR Bot legionus/kbd GitHub [05:01] matey i dont know if the intent of this phrasing is "help us promote github as the way to do this" or "stop whinging about us not relying on github in the mailing list, use it if you want" [05:01] matey in fairness it could be either one [05:01] matey either way, some of the development happens using kernel.org git, some happens via proprietary github [05:02] matey theyre absolutely making the kernel less free, its only a question of how much [05:02] matey which is still a relevant question [05:03] matey "The kbd project contains utilities for managing Linux console (Linux console, virtual terminals, keyboard, etc.) mainly, what they do is loading console fonts and keyboard maps. The utilities use kernel interfaces to load the keymap." [05:04] matey https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/legion/kbd.git [05:04] TR Bot kernel/git/legion/kbd.git - Linux keyboard tools [05:06] matey from https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/legion/kbd.git: [05:06] matey 2022-03-21 Update github actions Alexey Gladkov 1 -3/+8 [05:06] matey lol [05:08] matey https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/legion/kbd.git/tree/.github/workflows/ci.yml [05:08] TR Bot ci.yml workflows .github - kernel/git/legion/kbd.git - Linux keyboard tools [05:08] activelow wasn't bitkeeper worse than git? [05:09] matey this isnt about git, its about a proprietary frontend to git [05:09] activelow since git itself, is free, bitkeeper wasn't at all; [05:09] matey my only gripe with git is that its tied (somehow) to sfc [05:09] activelow sure, github is utilizing git with their web-frontend [05:09] activelow sfc? [05:09] matey sure, github is utilizing git <- this isnt about git [05:10] matey its about github [05:10] matey the fact that git is better than bitkeeper has nothing to do with anything [05:10] matey because this isnt about git [05:10] matey sfc? <- kuhn, sandler etc [05:11] matey software freedom conservancy [05:11] matey or as at least one person has called it "software servancy con" [05:11] activelow of cause it is related, because the utility, git itself, is not coupled to github; git clone, and push elsewhere, and the proprietary concern is mostly void [05:11] matey because the utility, git itself, is not coupled to github <- that is EXACTLY why this isnt about git [05:11] matey git is not the problem im talking about [05:12] matey github is [05:12] matey the fact that git isnt the problem has no bearing on whether github is a problem [05:12] activelow i know, and the github problem can be solved, partially, with git-clone and git-push elsewhere; that's very liberal [05:12] activelow currently [05:12] matey the github problem can be solved, partially, with git-clone and git-push elsewhere; that's very liberal <- part of it can [05:13] matey if people are hosting without github, then using some other git is a solution [05:13] activelow and maybe, since i had to suffer from merant pvcs and perforce and subversion and cvs and and and.... that's why i am not that hysterical about git _and_ github, not yet [05:13] matey but it doesnt solve the fact that people are using github. [05:14] activelow and, free web frontends exist, to host webgit, cgit etc.; this solves the problem of github web frontend being proprietary [05:14] matey this solves the problem of github web frontend being proprietary <- no it doesnt [05:14] matey its like saying that not smoking solves the problem of smoking [05:14] activelow because, currently, migrating any repository elsewhere, although it isn't trivial, it is relatively easy, in comparison to what i had seen before [05:14] matey not smoking is good [05:14] TR News #Techrights Bulletin for Monday, April 18, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [05:14] TR Bot Bulletin Archives [05:15] matey but smoking itself is still as much as problem as before [05:15] TR News #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [05:15] TR Bot Techrights Full IPFS Index [05:15] matey if you stop smoking, its still just as bad for the people who still do. [05:15] matey so it does solve YOUR problem, just not THE problem [05:15] matey or as should be the /topic by now "theres a nuance" [05:16] activelow it isn't like smoking, because, some git web hosting is necessary for free software [05:16] activelow and i had seen far worse than git/github [05:16] matey in that regard, yes, its not like smoking [05:16] activelow git and github are an improvement, upon the situation before, doesn't mean it could become worse with github [05:16] matey in the fact that too many people are still killing themselves (or their projects) that way, and that there are secondhand problems, its A LOT like smoking [05:17] matey git and github are an improvement, upon the situation before <- god no! [05:17] matey before, people hosted their own, with either proprietary or free software [05:17] MinceR git is an improvement, github isn't [05:17] matey ther were free options before. bitkeeper was non-free but mostly affected the kernel [05:17] matey but NOW its worse, because MORE people are using non-free, not less [05:17] activelow in comparison to what? perforce, merant pvcs, microsoft teamforce (or however it was called)? [05:17] matey and HYPOTHETICALLY they have the option but THE PROBLEM IS theyre not using it! [05:18] TR News "For a cluster (in any sense of the word), you need at least 3 nodes, otherwise there is no quorum" https://raymii.org/s/tutorials/Proxmox_VE_7_Corosync_QDevice_in_Docker.html | Source: Remy Van Elst [05:18] TR Bot VE 7 Corosync QDevice in a Docker container - Raymii.org [05:18] matey youre making the same stupid mistake as the fsf-- conflating potentially free with free [05:18] TR News "When you typed blog.bithole.dev into your browser, it sent a request addressed towards my server at 142.93.26.121, which replied with this blogpost." https://blog.bithole.dev/dns.html | [05:18] TR Bot The Domain Name System (6/6) [05:18] activelow matey, what would the alternative to github be? [05:18] matey matey, what would the alternative to github be? <- there are more alternatives than ever before [05:18] matey the problem is people not using them [05:18] TR News "Suppose, not hypothetically, that you have a machine that periodically has its load average briefly soar to relatively absurd levels for no obvious reason" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/LoadAverageWhereFrom | Source: uni Toronto [05:18] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: utoronto.ca | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/LoadAverageWhereFrom https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/LoadAverageWhereFrom [05:18] TR Bot Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/LoadAverageWhereFrom [05:18] MinceR maybe you mean MICROS~1's TFS (which i prefer to call WTFS) [05:19] matey gitlab ticks the most boxes, but its hateful. so if you need it, use gitlab [05:19] matey but most people dont need gitlab, so use something more modest-- now there are MANY options [05:19] TR News "Recently, I took a look at Nintendos MMC line of mappers, and some other boards" https://nicole.express/2022/the-center-point-can-not-hold.html | [05:19] activelow i prefer self-hosting, although, cannot afford it [05:19] TR Bot The games Nintendo didn't want you to play: Tengen [05:19] matey gitlab is the one with the most bells and whistles [05:20] matey i prefer self-hosting, although, cannot afford it <- most options have a free option. exceptions include sourcehut, which has no free option. [05:20] activelow i prefer to keep it as simple as possible, not simpler [05:20] matey i dont trust gitlab with free non-self-hosting. [05:20] matey i prefer to keep it as simple as possible, not simpler <- you probably want notabug or savannah then [05:20] matey both are free, both have git [05:21] matey neither require a browser to update them [05:21] activelow i noticed too, OpenBSD kept their CVS btw. [05:21] matey theres a reason [05:21] matey the development processes they use arent suited to git [05:21] matey git has features or limits that would require them to change the way they develop certain things [05:22] activelow git would cover almost any development process [05:22] matey this doesnt affect most people but theyre not the only ones who say this [05:22] matey the key word being almost [05:22] activelow i think it's the stability aspect, them keeping CVS [05:22] matey engineers that believe one-size-fits-all really fits all should become web developers instead [05:22] matey after all, its too late for web development. we still need engineering. [05:23] matey github is what git would look like if web developers-- actually thats not fair [05:23] matey its SLIGHTLY more true of gitlab. [05:23] activelow for a while i was hooked on jenkins, don't remind me [05:23] matey heh [05:23] matey i think it's the stability aspect <- hopefully thats a factor [05:24] matey but theyve actually explained this, and its their development processes, which they favour [05:24] matey changing those to suit gits way of doing things is a change for the sake of change, of no use to them at all [05:24] matey work for the sake of work [05:24] matey its actually less suited to their purposes than cvs [05:25] matey plus they dont want pull requests [05:25] matey at all [05:25] matey pull requests are bad for something like openbsd [05:25] matey an actual negative [05:25] TR News "On the plus side, the Tiny 2040 does break out a fourth ADC input which is connected to an on-board temperature sensor on Pico." https://magpi.raspberrypi.com/articles/review-tiny-2040 | Source: Raspberry Pi [05:25] TR Bot REVIEW: Tiny 2040 The MagPi magazine [05:25] matey theyre probably a negative for many projects [05:26] matey i mean you could replicate the "simplicity" of pull requests with an irc channel [05:26] TR News "As exciting as this Pi-powered dance party is, the project serves an even greater purpose in the world of education." https://www.tomshardware.com/news/wacky-waving-inflatable-raspberry-pi-project | Source: Tom's Hardware [05:27] TR Bot Raspberry Pi Wacky Inflatable Tube Guys Keep Students in Line | Tom's Hardware [05:27] matey so instead of using the mailing list like a civilised human being you just go to irc, start your line with REQUEST and voila [05:27] matey youre lowering the bar when you do that [05:27] matey so now you can actually have any irc bot spamming you with "irc pull requests" [05:28] matey and you have to deal with that, isntead of people who want to work on your os just using email [05:28] TR News quote> [05:28] activelow i think one technical reason for CVS (besides stability), is the granularity of repositories, which is with git one CVS repo had to split into smaller project repositories [05:28] matey its slightly less work for contributors, times the number of useless contributions that result, adding up to more work for maintainers and often close to zero benefit [05:28] matey FSVO close to zero of course [05:29] matey is the granularity of repositories <- this is exactly why pypy doesnt use github. [05:29] matey and thank god [05:29] matey (or whatever) [05:29] matey but i think you still need python2 to compile pypy. [05:30] matey and i have no idea what their plans are about that [05:30] *oarion7 has quit (Quit: Running IRC on a charmed medieval abacus.) [05:30] activelow which reminds me of submodules with git, not integrated nicely with gentoo ebuilds (at least i had some problems with it) [05:30] matey youd think "mirror python2" since python3 cant do what they want [05:30] TR News "Though, truthfully, I highly recommend listening to the whole thing." https://lunduke.substack.com/p/richard-stallman-the-state-of-the | Source: Bryan Lunduke [05:30] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: substack.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://lunduke.substack.com/p/richard-stallman-the-state-of-the https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://lunduke.substack.com/p/richard-stallman-the-state-of-the [05:30] TR Bot Richard Stallman - "The state of the Free Software movement" - April 13, 2022 [05:30] TR News "I just went through an extensive job search, maybe the most strenuous of my life." https://blog.plover.com/brain/last-stop.html | Source: Mark Dominus [05:30] TR Bot The Universe of Discourse : Let's go find out! [05:31] matey which reminds me of submodules with git, not integrated nicely with gentoo ebuilds (at least i had some problems with it) <- git is not really the best option for everything [05:31] matey neither is cvs (obviously) [05:31] matey if cvs were ideal i doubt so many people would be fleeing like it was on fire [05:31] matey but its better for some project [05:31] matey note that people also flee systemd like it was on fire [05:31] matey just not as quickly as people flee cvs [05:32] matey or as often [05:32] matey its so windy my air conditioner is heaving [05:33] matey "huhh, huhh, huhh" im about to tape a paper bag to it [05:33] TR News "Let's keep working on O, our peephole optimizer for cproc and QBE. Our previous posts resparked some attention over on the QBE mailing list" https://briancallahan.net/blog/20220417.html | Source: Brian Callahan [05:33] TR Bot Brian Robert Callahan [05:33] matey that or call an obgyn [05:33] TR News "This week, I created the candlestick below, and I think its an excellent case study to illustrate a few things: [...]" https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/04/linking-r-and-python-to-retrieve-financial-data-and-plot-a-candlestick/ | Source: Rlang [05:33] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: r-bloggers.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/04/linking-r-and-python-to-retrieve-financial-data-and-plot-a-candlestick/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/04/linking-r-and-python-to-retrieve-financial-data-and-plot-a-candlestick/ [05:33] TR Bot R and Python to retrieve financial data and plot a candlestick | R-bloggers [05:34] matey (acgyn?) [05:35] TR News Operating systems battle: OpenBSD vs NixO gemini://perso.pw/blog/articles/openbsd-vs-nixos.gmi [05:35] schestowitz [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D564.jpg [05:37] TR News "Regarding gophermap, I have yet to study the ancient concept a bit more" gemini://envs.net/~pen/log/sitemap.gmi [05:37] matey http://www.kbd-project.org/ [05:37] TR Bot KBD Linux keyboard tools. [05:37] matey kernel.org or github? you decide [05:37] matey mailing list or pull request? we dont judge [05:38] matey most of the kernel is still developed off github, for now [05:38] matey i should say most of the kernel git, since im pretty sure most of kbd isnt IN the kernel per se [05:38] matey but im not actually sure of that either [05:39] matey for things to get truly nasty, we need to start porting the kernel to rust [05:39] matey then i will actually prefer systemd to the linux kernel itself :) [05:39] TR News Razer x Lambda Tensorbook: Blade on Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163670#comment-33387 [05:39] TR Bot Razer and Lambda Team Up to Unveil a Linux Laptop for Deep Learning | Tux Machines [05:40] activelow systemd isn't the worst, it can be removed still, not too difficult; dbus is worse [05:40] TR News "As it's being ostracized and sanctioned by much of the world for its war against Ukraine, Russia is building up plans to revive its ailing local manufacturing" https://www.tomshardware.com/news/russia-semiconductor-plan-28nm | Source: Tom's Hardware [05:40] TR Bot Russian Government's New Semiconductor Plan: Local 28nm by 2030 | Tom's Hardware [05:40] matey i dont like dbus. and i may ultimately dislike it as much as you do, but even then i bet it wont be the same reason [05:41] matey then again, its hard to say [05:41] activelow and, since you missed it, kernel version-bumped compiler requirements recently, to gcc-5.x, which _is_ a rust style compiler, written in c++; just like llvm is, serving rust-lang [05:41] matey "a rust style compiler" i dont know what "rust style compiler" means [05:41] activelow kernel 5.10 required nasty patching already, so gcc-4.7 accepts it [05:42] activelow a rust style compiler is, implemented in c++, to begin there [05:42] matey heh [05:42] activelow a rust style compiler is dozens of millions of lines of code, instead of 100000LoC [05:42] matey i dont think thats fair, even to compilers implemented in c++ [05:42] matey at best it seems partly fair [05:43] matey a rust style compiler is dozens of millions of lines of code, instead of 100000LoC <- so i would say its a "bloated" compiler, but [05:43] matey defining bloat is tricky. i think its actually very important. but its not easy to do. [05:43] matey its easier than defining pornography at least [05:43] matey thats hard to define [05:44] matey the post office doesnt even try. [05:44] matey they have regluations on it but they dont strictly define what it is [05:44] matey defining bloat is tricky, and obviously somewhat subjective, but i think it even depends on context [05:45] matey id compare it to "a reasonable expectation of privacy" [05:45] matey if you walk around in broad daylight, you have a different reasonable expectation of privacy than if you shut your curtains at home [05:45] matey if youre in a car, its different again [05:45] matey bloat is like this [05:46] matey but like privacy, bloat is still an important issue. being complicated doesnt change that. [05:47] matey if i throw around the phrase "rust style compiler" when my concerns about rust go far beyond bloat, im simply making it more difficult to understand what problems i may (or may not) have with a compiler [05:47] activelow well then, show me a compiler for rust-lang, which is not implemented in C++... [05:47] matey the bloat in gcc may be justified, sometimes, especially compared to the bloat in llvm, which seems unjustifiable [05:48] matey well then, show me a compiler for rust-lang, which is not implemented in C++... <- this just sloppy categorisation [05:48] TR News "This is an event open for anybody involved in the development of email clients using OpenPGP for encryption" https://wiki.gnupg.org/OpenPGPEmailSummit202205 | Source: GnuPG [05:48] TR Bot OpenPGPEmailSummit202205 - GnuPG wiki [05:48] matey grass is green and traffic lights are green, therefore traffic lights are grass [05:48] activelow this is what gcc-5.x (supporting golang) and llvm (supporting rust) have in common now: bloat, c++, mandatory to compile any recent kernel [05:49] activelow and dozens of millions of lines of code [05:49] matey where we agree is that gcc should not be the only viable c compiler. there should be a much lighter one that ALSO works [05:50] TR News "Public Twitter lists under the names Labor Trolls and Lobotomised Shitheads have been discovered on ABC weekend news presenter Fauziah Ibrahim's account" https://itwire.com/government-tech-news/technology-regulation/anti-labor-public-twitter-lists-found-on-abc-presenter-s-account.html | Source: IT Wire [05:50] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/government-tech-news/technology-regulation/anti-labor-public-twitter-lists-found-on-abc-presenter-s-account.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://itwire.com/government-tech-news/technology-regulation/anti-labor-public-twitter-lists-found-on-abc-presenter-s-account.html [05:50] matey if someone forked the last version of gcc that was c-only, that didnt need c++, and that became a viable project (not just part of a one-man distro) [05:50] TR Bot - Anti-Labor public Twitter lists found on ABC presenter's account [05:50] matey that would make me INCREDIBLY happy [05:50] activelow and there isn't any maintained, to compile linux kernel with [05:50] TR News "The Australian Financial Review, which claims to be one of the country's top newspapers, does not appear to know the difference between data from a poll" https://itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis-sp-481/open-sauce/afr-shows-it-does-not-know-difference-between-poll-and-focus-group.html | Source: IT Wire [05:50] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis-sp-481/open-sauce/afr-shows-it-does-not-know-difference-between-poll-and-focus-group.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis-sp-481/open-sauce/afr-shows-it-does-not-know-difference-between-poll-and-focus-group.html [05:50] TR Bot - AFR shows it does not know difference between poll and focus group [05:50] matey well theres a difference [05:50] matey you care about the future of the linux kernel, i do not give a damn about it [05:50] activelow and instead hope for what? [05:51] matey no matter what we do, linux is going to implode. im not saying it will be soon, only that no one will stop it [05:51] matey and instead hope for what? <- heres the funny thing! [05:51] matey you think gcc is bloat but linux gets a pass. [05:51] matey if anything, the linux kernel is worse. [05:51] matey by this i mean [05:51] activelow the harm to linux kernel was done, with the recent version bumps of required gcc, and missing support for tinycc [05:51] matey gcc is no where NEAR the hopeless dumping ground for code that linux is [05:52] matey the harm to linux kernel was done, with the recent version bumps of required gcc <- no, the harm goes FAR beyond that [05:52] matey i mean it may or may not start there, but thats the tip of the iceberg [05:52] activelow of cause, yet the gcc-4.8 c++ bump is ireversible! [05:52] matey the industry has the linux kernel surrounded [05:53] matey there are no liberators, anyone interested has already moved or is moving [05:53] activelow you can't just grab a gcc-4.7 (with or without c++ support), and compile a recent kernel/uboot/userspace anymore [05:53] matey more will move of course, but the people interested in "fixing the problem" now are moving or have moved [05:53] matey you can't just grab a gcc-4.7 (with or without c++ support) <- this im aware of, you make it very clear [05:53] activelow which is another reason, i wipe c++ dependencies, to limit the damage [05:54] activelow already began wiping some C11 from kernel, to keep gcc-4.7 [05:54] matey and id be truly thrilled if someone made a c-only fork of gcc. and it was viable in terms of supporting many projects (software that already exists) [05:54] activelow too necessary in preparation for tinycc [05:54] matey already began wiping some C11 from kernel, to keep gcc-4.7 <- youre going to end up with an outdated kernel, much more than what you have now [05:54] matey linux is a dumping ground [05:54] activelow the fork exists already, i am using this c-only profile here [05:54] matey other kernels are sane by comparison (many are also useless, but they arent dumping grounds for random shit) [05:55] matey the fork exists already <- and thats cool [05:55] activelow which kernels? *BSD? *BSD switched to llvm -> no, thanks. [05:55] matey that is a problem, yes [05:55] activelow any other kernel? good luck with hardware support. [05:55] matey linux will continue removing hardware support [05:56] activelow what i do, is wiping everything possible from linux kernel, compile this statically [05:56] matey it has changed stewards from people who care about supporting hardware, to people creating a support treadmill [05:56] matey in that sense too, linux is doomed [05:56] activelow and, the dumping ground is the shitload of hardware variants [05:56] activelow with requirements for firmware [05:56] matey firmware is also a problem, not (as far as i know) solved by any particular os [05:56] activelow in fact, linux kernel core components can remain relatively clean, by disabling/removing most modules and extensions [05:57] matey in fact the fsf is next to useless there, the free hardware people might (MIGHT) do better [05:57] matey time will tell [05:57] matey its what i hope for [05:57] activelow problem with linux kernel: no support for tinycc, C11 creeping into, gcc version bump to 5.x [05:57] TR News "The objections to Elon Musk buying Twitter can be distilled down to one simple thing" https://itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis-sp-481/open-sauce/murdoch,-zuckerberg,-bezos,-brin,-page-are-all-a-okay-but-musk.html | Source: IT Wire [05:57] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis-sp-481/open-sauce/murdoch,-zuckerberg,-bezos,-brin,-page-are-all-a-okay-but-musk.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis-sp-481/open-sauce/murdoch,-zuckerberg,-bezos,-brin,-page-are-all-a-okay-but-musk.html [05:57] matey for starters [05:57] TR Bot - Murdoch, Zuckerberg, Bezos, Brin, Page are all A-okay. But Musk??? [05:57] matey there are other problems that are just as big [05:57] matey its been taken over by a company known for taking over its competitors for the purpose of destroying them [05:57] activelow GCC is THE #1 project of GNU/FSF [05:58] matey and its controlled by ibm [05:58] matey oops [05:58] matey though some would say its emacs. as far as i know you still need to compile emacs. [05:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.08 k/sec., IPFS upstream 26.60 average k/sec., average swarm size 296.66 [05:59] activelow emacs can easily be replaced with vi or any other of the many, linux kernel cannot [05:59] matey the problem with adding compiler features is people use them [05:59] matey the problem with people using them is-- like with web development [05:59] activelow emacs does not require a c++ compiler, linux kernel and gcc itself do [05:59] matey the more impossible the standard becomes [05:59] matey the more you get locked into a single implementation! [05:59] matey the more you get locked into a single implementation, the closer we get to monopoly (any aspect of it, including corporate control) [05:59] matey the fsf fucked this up, royally ● Apr 19 [06:00] matey where is freedom 3? [06:00] matey its in the fucking cloud [06:00] activelow well then, let me rephrase, GCC being #1 trouble source, ireversibly since the 5.X series; and llvm isn't an alternative, llvm is just another sponsor of this corporate clusterf**ck [06:00] matey implemented in rust (actual rust, not rust style) [06:00] matey GCC being #1 trouble source <- gnu-coopting-corporations? [06:00] activelow i don't know, all i know is gcc was damaged [06:00] matey ahhh, gnu-corporate-clusterfuck [06:01] matey i was close [06:01] activelow and damaging the compiler, is deadly to free software [06:01] matey gcc was damaged <- theres a process at work there [06:01] matey wanna see the process? [06:01] matey i can show you whats killing all this stuff [06:01] activelow sure [06:02] matey http://techrights.org/wiki/Ted_MacReilly_Handbook_Revisited:_Introduction [06:02] TR Bot Ted MacReilly Handbook Revisited: Introduction - Techrights [06:02] TR News "Last night marked the third time SNL has lampooned TikTok this season." https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2022/04/saturday-night-live-lizzo-tiktok/629591/ | Source: The Atlantic [06:02] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: theatlantic.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2022/04/saturday-night-live-lizzo-tiktok/629591/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2022/04/saturday-night-live-lizzo-tiktok/629591/ [06:02] TR Bot 'SNL'Really Wants to Say Something About TikTok - The Atlantic [06:02] matey old plans, still being used [06:02] matey "A Handbook for Destroying the Free Software Movement" [06:03] TR News "Infowars filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection" https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/alex-jones-infowars-files-bankruptcy-protection-84143358 | Source: ABC [06:03] TR Bot EXPLAINER: What does Infowars bankruptcy filing mean? - ABC News [06:03] matey "Above all, the key strategy is not to destroy free software completely, but to break it in enough important places[2] so that it poses less and less of a threat to your near-monopoly." [06:03] TR News "Because of the falsehoods, families of the victims have found themselves routinely accosted" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/18/us/alex-jones-infowars-bankruptcy.html | Source: New York Times [06:03] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/18/us/alex-jones-infowars-bankruptcy.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/18/us/alex-jones-infowars-bankruptcy.html [06:03] TR Bot Alex Joness Infowars Files for Bankruptcy - The New York Times [06:04] TR News "conspiracy-oriented website and media company" https://text.npr.org/1093297017 | Source: NPR [06:04] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: npr.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://text.npr.org/1093297017 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://text.npr.org/1093297017 [06:04] TR Bot InfoWars files for bankruptcy in the face of lawsuits over Sandy Hook shooting denial [06:05] *CrystalMath has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:06] matey chapter 8 is probably the one that interests you the most http://techrights.org/wiki/Ted_MacReilly_Handbook_Revisited:_Chapter_8 [06:06] TR Bot Ted MacReilly Handbook Revisited: Chapter 8 - Techrights [06:07] matey because its all about adding "overhead" (bloat) to projects so that they are only managable by a behemoth [06:07] matey if something is lightweight you burden it until no one BUT a corporation would want it or could do anythign with it [06:07] matey and THEN, its YOURS (if you are a large corporation) [06:07] matey of course chapter 8 focuses on the social side of that [06:07] matey but it applies in a technical sense as well [06:08] matey you add bloat until its useless to anyone but ibm/microsoft [06:08] matey and then they control free software. simple. [06:08] matey how will the rest of us manage? by submitting to ibm/microsoft of course [06:08] matey or google. or whoever takes their place [06:08] matey so it doesnt matter if github collapses, or windows loses marketshare [06:09] matey because the point is monopoly itself-- not WHICH monopoly [06:09] matey unless you have people FIGHTING monopoly (and the fsf doesnt, at all) [06:09] matey then all you will have is monopoly. and calling that freedom is a fools errand [06:10] activelow matey: i do _not_ intend to "compete" with or against microsoft [06:10] activelow this company, or any of their products, do not exist [06:10] matey so bloat isnt just a problem, its a weapon [06:10] matey now thats a nice thought [06:10] matey possibly insane, but nice [06:10] activelow with the only exception, of the altair basic paper tape, which seems the only product worth mentioning [06:11] matey so where does windows come from? or does that not exist either? [06:11] activelow what is windows? [06:12] matey oh boy [06:12] matey if i leave suddenly, it could be the wind blowing a tree onto the lines [06:12] matey or part of a tree [06:13] matey what is windows? <- https://yewtu.be/watch?v=HEXWRTEbj1I [06:13] TR Bot Haddaway - What Is Love [Official] - Invidious [06:13] matey german music! [06:13] activelow as soon as there is some M$ IBM Wintel anywhere close, if anything stinks as they do, i'm gone [06:13] activelow which has the mutual benefit, if i wanted to compete, i couldn't because it isn't possible to apply for a job anymore, without any of their shitware products [06:14] activelow i mean, my ASCII text-only formatted CV prints nicely on a 9pin matrix printer [06:14] activelow i bet, most HR offices complain it is *nix newlines and looks shitty in their editor of choice [06:15] activelow and their virus scanners pick up the signature.asc as malware, what a glory [06:16] matey i bet, most HR offices complain it is *nix newlines <- only because they dont have macs [06:17] activelow and the shitty mails such companies send, try to print this onto 9pin matrix with muttprint [06:17] activelow a 1970s teletype terminal did a better job than them [06:18] activelow i don't care, mac, wintel, it's the same type of rubbish [06:18] activelow unstable, short-lived, consumer oriented electronics waste production [06:18] matey 1970s teleypes were cool [06:18] matey too bad there isnt a reusable paper for them [06:19] matey and acousting shielding [06:19] matey acoustic [06:19] activelow fanfeed paper is available still, yet i only print and archive important mails [06:19] matey if you are accosted with sound, you are acousted [06:20] matey fanfeed paper is available still <- this is true, as long as jk rowling doesnt put out yet another series, causing the global paper economy (well, trees as a species) to collapse [06:20] matey thank god for film, which offsets this disaster a bit [06:21] activelow and show me any operating system, which fit onto a floppy disk, could print onto 9pin matrix, and send/receive some mail [06:21] activelow a typical IBM Wintel OS, how much, a DVD sized monstrosity, 4GiB compressed, it cannot do it [06:22] matey i mean even your os doesnt target that sort of footprint [06:22] activelow or a typical mac os installation? could i attach a 9pin matrix printer, open vim, and echo "holy shit" >/dev/lp0 [06:22] matey could i attach a 9pin matrix printer, open vim, and echo "holy shit" >/dev/lp0 <- no but you could probably pipe it to... what was the one BEFORE cups? [06:23] activelow CUPS printing, another such glorious innovation, this time, from apple inc. [06:23] matey the printer will need an adapter obviously [06:23] matey as the mac wont have the port [06:23] matey echo "holy shit" would still be supported [06:23] matey whichever utility predated cups might work, /dev/lp0 likely would not [06:23] activelow cups is awful [06:24] matey the original pipe symbol was actually > [06:24] activelow lpr-ng, i still keep it, just in case i wanted unix print spooling for /dev/lp0, i got that here [06:24] matey i believe im thinking of lpr [06:24] activelow lpr-ng was wiped from the trees everywhere too [06:24] matey echo "holy shit" | lpr [06:24] matey but to be fair, youre asking about a mac. [06:25] activelow no thanks. [06:25] matey or a typical mac os installation? could i attach a 9pin matrix printer, open vim, and echo "holy shit" >/dev/lp0 [06:25] matey no thanks. [06:25] matey i mean, you asked. [06:25] matey im not actually sure lpr works on a mac anyway [06:25] matey i wouldnt be surprised if it did actually [06:25] activelow it is probably wrapped into cups [06:26] activelow i wiped all cups support from baphometos [06:26] matey that is why [06:26] matey and i dont blame you for it [06:26] activelow /dev/lp0 doesn't require a spooler, yet even this is available with lpr-ng, easily administered, and btw. lpd does not require root-privileges, cupsd does [06:26] activelow another moment of clarity, what to think of it [06:27] matey when something requires root privs, theres often a good reason why [06:27] activelow so yes, i keep it as is, as it was 25 years ago, lpr-ng received the last updated 2006 iirc, and it's still good [06:27] matey i spent years wondering why fbdev did, until i had a moment of clarity [06:29] *XFaCE has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:29] *prurigro has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:30] matey i used to think "what is love" was cheesy, but now its a classic [06:30] matey if you watch the video, the song isnt cheesy anymore, because next to the video for it, nothing is [06:31] *activelow doesn't watch any youtube [06:31] *Seaduck| has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb2+b1 - https://znc.in) [06:31] *Seaduck- (~seaduck@ys9kag65kxsiu.irc) has joined #techrights [06:31] matey ACTION doesn't watch any youtube <- there ought to be a medal for this [06:34] *prurigro (~prurigro@uzfeivw9fp6ba.irc) has joined #techrights [06:35] *XFaCE (~XFaCE@uzfeivw9fp6ba.irc) has joined #techrights [06:38] matey "In exchange for software with more churn, more bloat, less choice and less user control and reliability they get cooler software tools, larger sponsorships, bigger marketing and events that feature their software everything they would enjoy if we took over their world and did things our way. And we still get royalties and the chance to steer development away from things that help our competitors more than they help us." [06:39] matey "The plan has never actually changed, but our way of framing it has changed entirely. We de-commoditize protocols. We add features we want and deprecate ones that people rely on, and we tell them to get with the program. We create the same kind of lock-in (in practice) by decreasing the compatibility with trusted development tools and utilities, so we can move more quickly (and drag users along) from one industry fad to another." [06:39] matey that is what youre complaining about. you choose to focus on tying in c++ to c, which imo is a fair point [06:39] matey but its an example of a very large trend with MANY examples [06:40] matey many of which are unfortunate [06:40] activelow the technical terms are: interoperability (components interacting), and compatibility (components being replaceable) [06:40] matey and you focus on the c/c++ to the exclusion of all the others (i do not focus only on github or systemd) [06:41] matey the technical terms are: interoperability (components interacting), and compatibility (components being replaceable) <- okay, but "interoperability" is a term microsoft rode straight to hell [06:41] matey it probably means the opposite of what it used to today [06:41] activelow the strategy is typically this, maximize interoperability, to approach competition, the extend upon to create an incompatibility (vendor lock-in), and finally remove interopability against competition [06:41] matey the strategy is typically this, maximize interoperability, to approach competition, the extend upon to create an incompatibility (vendor lock-in), and finally remove interopability against competition <- youve got it [06:41] activelow this is what they do, strategically, all of them, M$ IBM Wintel FB AAPL [06:41] matey thats exactly it [06:42] activelow add to this some pentagon/rand corp. related dominance strategies, semiconductor protection act 1984 [06:42] matey big arsehole companies who want to turn free software back into user controlling software [06:42] matey add to this some pentagon/rand corp. related dominance strategies, semiconductor protection act 1984 <- some or all is likely enough [06:43] activelow freedom, in 1984, was attacked long before FSF existed, and it is no coincidence i think, FSF focuses on "free software", which is a misnomer [06:43] matey long before FSF existed <- obviously, as the fsf was intended as a response to it [06:43] matey responses tend to come after [06:43] activelow on the side of interoperability, which serves to push proprietary malicious hardware controlled by "5 eyes", which is with such hardware the software freedom is less of a concern [06:43] matey FSF focuses on "free software", which is a misnomer <- though i dont entirely agree, im sympathetic to the reason you say it [06:44] matey free software to the exclusion of free hardware helps defeat free software itself [06:44] matey rms doesnt see that. others do. [06:44] activelow matey: FSF didn't respond to the semiconductor protection act 1984, they explicitely designated themselves free _software_, which is a misnomer [06:44] matey his "view" of free hardware is from him aiming the telescope opposite the way its intended [06:44] matey "youre holding it wrong" [06:45] activelow i do not blame rms or the fsf [06:45] matey i think they could justify ignoring hardware at that time [06:45] matey at least ignoring it as much as they did [06:46] activelow nonetheless, i am very sceptical about what is marketed as "free software", given the fact even this is a label which applied to what was available 25 years ago [06:46] matey i dont think they can justify that approach today [06:46] activelow what is distributed with the banner of "free software" nowadays is totally different quality, by the lines of code alone measured [06:46] matey i am very sceptical about what is marketed as "free software" <- you ought to be, they are oblivious to constant attacks on freedom 3 [06:46] activelow GCC again being a #1 trouble source, which implements hundreds of extensions for proprietary malicious hardware [06:47] matey despite esr handing them a book which said "here is what they will do, here is how they will do it, here is what will result" and being right about all three [06:47] matey which ought to, and somehow doesnt (even in my book) make him a hero. though it should. [06:47] activelow wake me up, when GNU announces they cut away 90% of LoC from GCC; or them supporting TinyCC and linux kernel compilation with it [06:47] activelow guess what? won't happen [06:47] matey indeed, tell me when theyre even headed in that direction! [06:47] activelow they rather implement another 100 compiler extensions for malicous hardware vendors (IBM Wintel) [06:48] matey wont happen <- rms resigned again at the second libreplanet, i dont think most people heard it (and im quite certain it wasnt deliberate) [06:48] matey and i know he wouldnt agree [06:48] matey i should say the second libreplanet this year [06:48] TR News Julian did not commit a crime the people who did commit the crimes which he exposed have never been charged https://theowp.org/julian-assange-to-be-given-extradition-order-in-three-days/ | Source: OWP [06:48] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: theowp.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://theowp.org/julian-assange-to-be-given-extradition-order-in-three-days/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://theowp.org/julian-assange-to-be-given-extradition-order-in-three-days/ [06:48] TR Bot Julian Assange To Be Given Extradition Order In Three Days The Organization for World Peace [06:48] matey there was one in march and then one in april [06:48] TR News "RONALD L Haeberle was a combat photographer with the US army whose pictures exposed the horrors of the My Lai massacre in Vietnam" https://www.newagebd.net/article/168068/a-requiem-for-fine-journalism | Source: India [06:48] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: newagebd.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.newagebd.net/article/168068/a-requiem-for-fine-journalism https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.newagebd.net/article/168068/a-requiem-for-fine-journalism [06:48] TR Bot A requiem for fine journalism [06:49] TR News "Since the inception of WikiLeaks, organizations devoted to civil liberties, press freedom and human rights have argued that any government infringement on WikiLeaks right to publish would violate the First Amendment." https://www.pressenza.com/2022/04/as-biden-pursues-julian-assange-a-major-test-of-press-freedom-looms/ | [06:49] TR Bot As Biden Pursues Julian Assange, a Major Test of Press Freedom Looms [06:49] matey a lieplanet for lieplanet and a separate but equal lieplanet for rms [06:50] matey in 2011 rms became entirely dependent on gnu/linux [06:51] matey it was a step backwards [06:51] matey in 2022 he became entirely dependent on people joining the fsf [06:51] matey both of these were mistakes [06:51] matey the second one is more rhetorical than the first however [06:52] matey it has a valid point, but its made in a more rhetorical fashion [06:52] activelow i consider RMS the developer, who implemented early emacs and gcc, not any recent versions of those [06:52] matey he says himself he really doesnt code anymore [06:52] matey however, development is more than coding [06:53] matey leading a project can simply mean deciding what goes in and what doesnt [06:53] activelow roughly 15 years ago or more, and this was when "software freedom" was represented by rms and fsf with what GPL is applied to [06:53] matey and thats pretty important both from a technical and political standpoint [06:53] TR News "The relative success of the welfare state in Europe owes much to its trade union history." https://jacobinmag.com/2022/04/us-unions-weak-welfare-state-universal-programs-health-care/ | Source: Jacobin Magazine [06:53] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: jacobinmag.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://jacobinmag.com/2022/04/us-unions-weak-welfare-state-universal-programs-health-care/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://jacobinmag.com/2022/04/us-unions-weak-welfare-state-universal-programs-health-care/ [06:53] TR Bot Unions Must Fight for a Universal Welfare State [06:53] matey roughly 15 years ago or more <- interesting that you chose 15 [06:53] activelow the gcc move to c++ was year 2013, the EGCS move don't remember roughly 10 years before [06:54] activelow and both were _wrong_ [06:54] matey ive put the worst compromises at 2011 and 2014-2015 [06:54] matey still 2013 is RIGHT in there [06:55] matey if we ask enough people when the fsf started to :P [06:55] matey id love to see that graph. [06:57] matey EGCS 1.1 is based on an June 6, 1998 snapshot of the GCC 2.8 development sources; it contains all of the new features found in GCC 2.8.1 as well as all new development from GCC up to June 6 ... https://gcc.gnu.org/egcs-1.1/index.html [06:57] TR Bot EGCS 1.1 - GNU Project [06:57] matey whats bad about egcs? [06:58] activelow the bootstrapping precedure of GCC (implemented and documented with GUIX), ended with gcc-2.7 iirc, roughly at the same time [06:58] activelow *procedure [06:58] matey because it was no longer "c compiler" but "compiler collection" [06:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.18 k/sec., IPFS upstream 44.48 average k/sec., average swarm size 247.73 [06:59] activelow matey: egcs aggressively implemented "free software" extensions for proprietary/non-standard hardware extensions (intel MMX SIMD in this case), to boast about mostly useless performance data [06:59] activelow and the bootstrapping precedure of GCC (implemented and documented with GUIX), ended with gcc-2.7 iirc, roughly at the same time ● Apr 19 [07:00] TR News Microsoft Windows kills https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/04/contis-ransomware-toll-on-the-healthcare-industry/ | Source: Krebs On Security [07:00] TR Bot Contis Ransomware Toll on the Healthcare Industry Krebs on Security [07:01] *Seaduck- has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:01] *XFaCE has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:02] *prurigro has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:02] TR News Updated today: "It makes me livid when people talk about climate change as if it is inevitable. 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[07:34] matey G++ is also converting toward the ISO C++ standard; as a result code which was previously valid (and thus accepted by other compilers and older versions of g++) may no longer be accepted. https://gcc.gnu.org/egcs-1.1/caveats.html [07:34] TR Bot EGCS 1.1 Caveats - GNU Project [07:36] mjg59_ Intel specced MMX, AMD implemented it as part of 3DNow! [07:45] activelow mmx is proprietay simd [07:45] TR News "Weve tried to make this point many times before." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/18/new-study-shows-section-230-protects-small-companies-much-more-than-big-ones/ | Source: Techdirt [07:45] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/18/new-study-shows-section-230-protects-small-companies-much-more-than-big-ones/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/18/new-study-shows-section-230-protects-small-companies-much-more-than-big-ones/ [07:45] TR Bot Study Shows Section 230 Protects Small Companies Much More Than Big Ones | Techdirt [07:45] TR News Brutes like copyrights https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/18/cops-are-still-playing-copyrighted-music-to-thwart-citizens-recording-their-actions/ | Source: Techdirt [07:45] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/18/cops-are-still-playing-copyrighted-music-to-thwart-citizens-recording-their-actions/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/18/cops-are-still-playing-copyrighted-music-to-thwart-citizens-recording-their-actions/ [07:45] TR Bot Are Still Playing Copyrighted Music To Thwart Citizens Recording Their Actions | Techdirt [07:46] activelow predating EGCS the FSF was mentioned as conservative, rejecting "innovation", and kept the compiler codebase relatively clean [07:46] mjg59_ activelow: Proprietary in what way? [07:46] mjg59_ What SIMD isn't proprietary? [07:46] activelow mjg59_: the only verilog available from intel is i8086 [07:46] TR News "Musk Social"... are YOU still active in Twitter? 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[07:48] activelow mjg59_: exactly, i am not aware of any free/open-source SIMD (not sure about RISC-V, not interested, since RISC-V requires recent c++ compilers >gcc-5 or llvm/clang) [07:48] activelow mjg59_: yes [07:48] mjg59_ Ok so it feels like talking about MMX is a red herring [07:48] TR News Twitter censorship https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/18/fascinating-new-study-suggests-again-that-twitter-moderation-is-biased-against-misinformation-not-conservatives/ | Source: Techdirt [07:48] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/18/fascinating-new-study-suggests-again-that-twitter-moderation-is-biased-against-misinformation-not-conservatives/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/18/fascinating-new-study-suggests-again-that-twitter-moderation-is-biased-against-misinformation-not-conservatives/ [07:48] TR Bot New Study Suggests (Again) That Twitter Moderation Is Biased Against Misinformation, Not Conservatives | Techdirt [07:49] activelow it is not, because the amount of extensions blew up the free software, (dozens of millions of lines of code for GCC alone) [07:52] matey predating EGCS the FSF was mentioned as conservative, rejecting "innovation", and kept the compiler codebase relatively clean <- this is a good place to start [07:52] matey extensions shouldnt (as a rule) be replacements [07:52] matey they should be extensions [07:52] matey of course thats not possible all the time, thats a given. thats why i say as a rule-- it shouldnt be upside-down [07:52] matey when it goes upside-down, we see what happens [07:53] matey not always exactly what activelow is talking about [07:53] matey though he talks about it as often as anyone, just not in the terms i would [07:53] matey the eaxmples are (a little) weird sometimes. but not always [07:53] activelow it is practically _impossible_ to roll back GCC to 2.7 quality, and it is not possible to reverse gcc implentation language back to C (gcc-4.7) anymore [07:54] matey when languages get extended, projects start using the extensions [07:54] matey this isnt a neutral statement. it isnt always bad, and i think it is bad sometimes [07:54] activelow and the starting nowadays, is tinycc, together with support for linux kernel (x86,64, aarch32, 64, sparc, mips) [07:54] matey "features" arent neutral [07:55] matey / considered harmful [07:55] activelow with the nice side effect, tinycc is/was known being capable to bootstrap gcc-4.7, given the fact GUIX bootstrapping procedure for gcc quit with gcc-2.7 already (at the time egcs took the lead) [07:56] matey consider a diet made entirely of sugar, and the alternative is sanity, maybe not a sugar-free diet [07:56] matey sanity is a good goal. ive NEVER seen a project that was "pure" but i have (rarely, but just the same) seen a sane one [07:56] TR News 2020 election used proprietary software in voting machines. Voting confidence won't be improved until this gets eradicated completely. https://truthout.org/articles/efforts-to-build-trust-in-elections-face-thriving-2020-election-denier-community/ | Source: TruthOut [07:56] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/efforts-to-build-trust-in-elections-face-thriving-2020-election-denier-community/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://truthout.org/articles/efforts-to-build-trust-in-elections-face-thriving-2020-election-denier-community/ [07:56] TR Bot Efforts to Build Trust in Elections Face Thriving 2020 Election Denier Community [07:56] matey of course we cant say sanity anymore, it might make someone crazy [07:57] matey but sanity is still a good design goal [07:57] matey whatever we choose to call it [07:57] matey corporations spread addiction as a business model [07:57] matey i dont want prohibtion, i want sobriety to remain an option in tech [07:58] matey but corporations are at odds with this [07:58] matey constantly shoving new vices in everyones face [07:58] matey but theyre just features [07:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 17.71 k/sec., IPFS upstream 63.61 average k/sec., average swarm size 283.38 [07:59] matey drunkenness is a feature, passing out and waking up in a puddle of vomit is a feature [07:59] *activelow smokes another one [07:59] matey you should have the option of getting drunk, but its the other option that makes it an option ● Apr 19 [08:00] matey ACTION smokes another one <- thats a feature [08:01] matey if i get a bottle of vodka, fortunately i get to say how much i drink too [08:01] matey so i drink less than it takes to make me sick [08:01] matey if microsoft sold vodka my choices would be dehydration and waking up not knowing where i was [08:02] matey "im just thirsty" [08:02] matey "no problem, have some vodka" [08:02] matey if apple sold vodka it wouldnt be vodka, it would be patron [08:03] matey not gold or silver obviously-- they would have a new one: chrome [08:04] matey it tastes exactly like platinum patron but it smells faintly of starbucks [08:05] matey if microsoft sold vodka my choices would be dehydration and waking up not knowing where i was <- they would buy all the water companies from nestle [08:05] matey ban water collection (like they did in bolivia) [08:05] matey then kill all brands of water [08:05] matey of course a lot of people would die as a result [08:06] matey but its not like microsofts business model doesnt kill people already [08:06] matey https://yewtu.be/watch?v=0oMEuyhBkRo [08:07] TR Bot Freeland - We Want Your Soul (Official Video) - Invidious [08:07] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:08] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [08:09] *Skywave has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@s44cwn8sugddy.irc) has joined #techrights [08:14] matey we are getting more features soon [08:15] matey im looking around at the few things i own and realising most of them dont have bluetooth or Ng or wifi [08:15] matey they dont even have touchscreens [08:15] matey ive got a fan sitting on the floor, its a dumbfan, its got a manual-only switch on it [08:16] matey im hoping to upgrade it, give it a big battery so its wireless, add a mobile plan, touchscreen controls, run linux on it [08:16] matey why am i using just a plan old fan? its 2022! [08:17] matey ive got doors in the place that dont even have electronics in them [08:17] matey theyre just wood (sort of) and brass ffs [08:17] matey wtf [08:18] matey i dont use that much electricty, im sure i could have a wireless refrigerator [08:19] matey im using an old corded one-- its not like they dont have batteries for this sort of thing [08:19] matey just plug it in when it gets to 20% or better yet, move it onto a spot on the floor that can charge it wirelessly [08:20] matey we need to live like the cybermen [08:20] matey You Will Be Upgraded Or You Will Be Deleted [08:20] *darwin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [08:22] matey https://yewtu.be/watch?v=66xDgFJyDBk everybodys happy, everybodys free [08:22] TR Bot Typical Situation - Invidious [08:22] matey happiness is mandatory, freedom is also mandatory [08:24] matey you will be free so theres no need to question it [08:24] matey questioning whats already free makes it non-free [08:29] TR News "police force arrested the alleged mastermind" [sic] but still no banksters? https://torrentfreak.com/freelance-torrent-site-admins-life-still-in-turmoil-5-years-after-arrest-220418/ | Source: Torrent Freak [08:29] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/freelance-torrent-site-admins-life-still-in-turmoil-5-years-after-arrest-220418/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://torrentfreak.com/freelance-torrent-site-admins-life-still-in-turmoil-5-years-after-arrest-220418/ [08:29] TR Bot Torrent Site Admin's Life Still in Turmoil, 5 Years After Arrest * TorrentFreak [08:29] TR News CPUC https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/04/california-may-require-low-cost-broadband-subsidized-networks | Source: EFF [08:29] TR Bot California May Require Low-Cost Broadband from Subsidized Networks | Electronic Frontier Foundation [08:33] TR News Cox https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/18/cox-cable-customers-bond-together-to-fight-bullshit-fees/ | Source: Techdirt [08:33] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/18/cox-cable-customers-bond-together-to-fight-bullshit-fees/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/18/cox-cable-customers-bond-together-to-fight-bullshit-fees/ [08:33] TR Bot Cable Customers Bond Together To Fight Bullshit Fees | Techdirt [08:34] TR News Just avoid these devices. You do not need them anyway. https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/interview-with-marco-demello-psafe/ | Source: PIA [08:34] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: privateinternetaccess.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/interview-with-marco-demello-psafe/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/interview-with-marco-demello-psafe/ [08:34] TR Bot Interview With Marco DeMello PSafe [08:35] TR News Chinese Republic of Macron https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/18/french-president-again-calls-for-an-end-to-online-anonymity/ | Source: Techdirt [08:35] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/18/french-president-again-calls-for-an-end-to-online-anonymity/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/18/french-president-again-calls-for-an-end-to-online-anonymity/ [08:35] TR Bot President (Again) Calls For An End To Online Anonymity | Techdirt [08:36] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [08:40] *tpmd (~tpm@vbku88433t7ju.irc) has joined #techrights [08:44] *ziraffep (~ziraffep@sibgmb3jcuva4.irc) has joined #techrights [08:51] TR News How patents kill us https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/18/corruption-drug-patents-take-away-money | Source: Common Dreams "corruption of the patent system in recent decades" [08:51] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/18/corruption-drug-patents-take-away-money https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/04/18/corruption-drug-patents-take-away-money [08:51] TR Bot Opinion | Corruption in Drug Patents: Take Away the Money | Dean Baker [08:54] TR News You do not need MOAR money, you need to CANCEL THE PATENTS https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/18/biden-urged-fight-hell-global-covid-funds-new-summit-announced | Source: Common Dreams [08:54] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/18/biden-urged-fight-hell-global-covid-funds-new-summit-announced https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/18/biden-urged-fight-hell-global-covid-funds-new-summit-announced [08:54] TR Bot Biden Urged to 'Fight Like Hell' for Global Covid Funds as New Summit Announced [08:54] matey [C[Chttps://validator.w3.org/ still works, its just blocked by clownflare [08:55] matey here is the page i got there from https://gcc.gnu.org/egcs-1.1/caveats.html [08:55] TR Bot EGCS 1.1 Caveats - GNU Project [08:56] matey so im pretty sure gcc.gnu.org is recommending people run non-free js now [08:56] TR News Linux Mint Releases LMDE Upgrade Tool for Beta Testing http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163850#comment-33388 [08:56] TR Bot Beta of LMDE Upgrade Tool | Tux Machines [08:56] matey though they also recommend a browser that blocks non-free js [08:56] *gooseheaded has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:56] TR News Well, mobile phones and "Freedom" are paradoxical https://fossforce.com/2022/04/is-freedom-phone-the-trump-university-of-mobile-devices/ | Source: Unicorn Media [08:56] TR Bot Is Freedom Phone the Trump University of Mobile Devices? - FOSS Force [08:58] matey https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Contributors.html "Tim Josling for the sample language treelang based originally on Richard Kenners toy language." [08:58] TR Bot Contributors (Using the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC)) [08:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 15.93 k/sec., IPFS upstream 103.55 average k/sec., average swarm size 241.63 [08:59] TR News IRC Proceedings: Monday, April 18, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/19/irc-log-180422/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/19/irc-log-180422/ [08:59] TR Bot IRC Proceedings: Monday, April 18, 2022 | Techrights ● Apr 19 [09:00] matey oh now this is rich! [09:00] matey It was developed by Tim Josling, based on a language called Toy created by Richard Kenner. During the GCC 4.3 release cycle, a patch was committed to remove the language, because of high maintenance costs outweighing its benefits and also because it was no longer considered a good front-end example by GCC developers. [09:00] matey a patch was committed to remove the language, because of high maintenance costs outweighing its benefits [09:00] matey BUT SYSTEMD IS FINE! [09:00] matey what "high maintenance costs" [09:01] matey fancy that gcc removed it before deletopedia did https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treelang [09:01] TR Bot Treelang - Wikipedia [09:02] matey "Treelang is a sample language, useful only to help people understand how to implement a new language front end to GCC. It is not a useful language in itself other than as an example or basis for building a new language. Therefore only language developers are likely to have an interest in it." [09:03] TR News On retrocomputers https://hackaday.com/2022/04/18/the-epic-journey-of-repairing-an-hp-9830a-desktop-computer-from-the-1970s/ | Source: Hackaday [09:03] TR Bot Epic Journey Of Repairing An HP 9830A Desktop Computer From The 1970s | Hackaday [09:04] TR News "Robotic pets are sci-fi material" https://hackaday.com/2022/04/18/build-your-own-cat-some-assembly-required/ | Source: Hackaday [09:04] TR Bot Your Own Cat Some Assembly Required | Hackaday [09:05] SomeH4x0r no, fuck the future [09:06] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [09:06] SomeH4x0r it is not "happier". It brings me into further depression and I become suicidal. [09:07] TR News Boycott Starbucks https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/18/starbucks-workers-urge-congress-grill-ceo-howard-schultz-union-busting | Source: Common Dreams [09:07] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/18/starbucks-workers-urge-congress-grill-ceo-howard-schultz-union-busting https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/18/starbucks-workers-urge-congress-grill-ceo-howard-schultz-union-busting [09:07] TR Bot Starbucks Workers Urge Congress to Grill CEO Howard Schultz on Union-Busting [09:09] SomeH4x0r I don't really understand the purpose of a cat. It walks around one's home doing stuff necessary for its existence, such as eating food or sleeping. [09:10] SomeH4x0r a robotic cat doesn't have this stuff. The only thing the owner should be worried about is to keep its battery charged. [09:11] matey I don't really understand the purpose of a cat. <- it lowers blood pressure and assists immune function [09:11] TR News "We demand a liveable future" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/18/no-wars-no-warming-extinction-rebellion-marches-nyc | Source: Common Dreams [09:11] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/18/no-wars-no-warming-extinction-rebellion-marches-nyc https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/18/no-wars-no-warming-extinction-rebellion-marches-nyc [09:11] TR Bot 'No Wars, No Warming': Extinction Rebellion Marches on NYC [09:11] matey also if gives you exercise when you change the box and carry around litter [09:11] matey you have not examined a cat closely enough, therefore you are unfamiliar with its function [09:13] schestowitz-TR [09:06] it is not "happier". It brings me into further depression and I become suicidal. [09:13] schestowitz-TR Join good causes [09:13] matey https://fs.blog/chestertons-fence/ In its most concise version, Chesterton's Fence states the following: Do not remove a fence until you know why it was put up in the first place. Chesterton went on to explain why this principle holds true, writing that fences don't grow out of the ground, nor do people build them in their sleep or during a fit of madness. [09:13] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: fs.blog | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://fs.blog/chestertons-fence/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://fs.blog/chestertons-fence/ [09:13] TR Bot Chestertons Fence: A Lesson in Second Order Thinking - Farnam Street [09:13] schestowitz-TR to change or ameliorate the future [09:13] schestowitz-TR the sadists rely on obedient sons00mer [09:14] matey chestertons fence gives people too much credit, and is otherwise a reasonable maxim [09:15] TR News "It is time to reignite the radical history of community utilities" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/18/report-details-how-community-utilities-can-usher-green-energy-transition | Source: Common Dreams [09:15] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/18/report-details-how-community-utilities-can-usher-green-energy-transition https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/18/report-details-how-community-utilities-can-usher-green-energy-transition [09:15] TR Bot Report Details How Community Utilities Can Usher In Green Energy Transition [09:15] matey Melvin Edward Conway is a computer scientist, computer programmer, and hacker who coined what is now known as Conway's law: "Organizations, who design systems, are constrained to produce designs which are copies of the communication structures of these organizations." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melvin_Conway [09:15] TR Bot Melvin Conway - Wikipedia [09:16] matey https://libreplanet.org/wiki/LibrePlanet:Participate "Add this box to your profile page to indicate you support these documents and agree to work in accordance with LibrePlanet's Mission Statement and Code of Conduct." [09:16] TR Bot LibrePlanet:Participate - LibrePlanet [09:16] matey we are fucked [09:16] TR News "Movie Prop Electronics Hack Chat" https://hackaday.com/2022/04/18/movie-prop-electronics-hack-chat/ | Source: Hackaday [09:16] TR Bot Prop Electronics Hack Chat | Hackaday [09:18] matey conways law makes codes of conduct a lot more menacing [09:18] TR News "While its true that Hackaday scribes and their families are sadly unable to compete in our contests, Hackaday alum are more than welcome to throw their hat in the ring." https://hackaday.com/2022/04/18/2022-sci-fi-contest-schrodingers-trigger-is-trained-on-electrons-not-cats/ | Source: Hackaday [09:18] TR Bot Sci-Fi Contest: Schrdingers Trigger Is Trained On Electrons, Not Cats | Hackaday [09:18] matey as if they werent enough already [09:18] schestowitz-TR CoC Rule #1: [09:18] schestowitz-TR you cannot question the CoC [09:18] schestowitz-TR OED [09:19] schestowitz-TR CoCCCers 2017: don't worry, we are protecting minorities [09:19] schestowitz-TR CoCCCers 2021: we need tro protect LF STAFF... from "unprofessional" words [09:19] matey CoCCCers 2022: April LibrePlanet is separate but equal [09:20] schestowitz-TR did you see the #fsf channel during rms talk? [09:20] schestowitz-TR it was not pleasant [09:20] schestowitz-TR people flooding the channel with things like "n**** n**** n**** n****n****n****n****n****n****" [09:20] schestowitz-TR multi line [09:20] schestowitz-TR it was not n**** [09:20] schestowitz-TR and it was all CAPS [09:21] schestowitz-TR so it turned out Libera Chat having a CoC they're so proud of did not prevent vandalism [09:21] schestowitz-TR who would have THUNK DAT! [09:22] TR News BillBC https://hackaday.com/2022/04/18/honey-did-you-feed-the-lamp-company-wants-to-create-living-light-bulbs/ | Source: Hackaday [09:22] TR Bot Did You Feed The Lamp? Company Wants To Create Living Light Bulbs | Hackaday [09:24] matey so it turned out Libera Chat having a CoC they're so proud of did not prevent vandalism <- nor did all-rights-reserved and license notices on his personal website prevent anything from being taken out of context [09:24] matey licenses do not protect context [09:24] matey anymore than drm protects sales [09:28] matey licenses work better on the whole than on snippets [09:28] matey no license really affects snippets, and yet its invariably snippets that are used to take things out of context [09:29] matey the more of a work you include, the more context you include, and the more you need a license to create a derivative work [09:29] schestowitz-TR matey: yes, you've hit the nail on the head [09:29] schestowitz-TR basically [09:29] schestowitz-TR some words on paper [09:29] schestowitz-TR do not beget behaviour [09:30] matey i can create an entirely new work, slap stallmans name on it, and licenses dont enter into it [09:30] schestowitz-TR not do laws you can barely enforce [09:30] matey of course its fraud-- but its not a license violation [09:30] *gooseheaded has quit (connection closed) [09:30] schestowitz-TR "who yoooou gonna sue, PUNK?" [09:30] *SomeH4x0r has quit (connection closed) [09:30] matey some words on paper do not beget behaviour <- this is actually an overly broad interpretation of what i was saying [09:31] schestowitz-TR no, no [09:31] matey what i was saying was that context is outside the scope of what a license is capable of doing [09:31] schestowitz-TR this is not you [09:31] schestowitz-TR that's me [09:31] matey okay [09:31] schestowitz-TR words on paper = lawyers, MBA, politician [09:31] schestowitz-TR technicians don't think like this [09:31] schestowitz-TR they make solutions [09:31] matey there actually are some things that can help though [09:31] matey lawyers believe it or not, also make solutions [09:31] matey its just a question of what youre trying to solve [09:32] matey and the right tool for the job [09:32] TR News Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Vs Ubuntu 20.04 LTS: Whats Changing? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163879 [09:32] TR Bot Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Vs Ubuntu 20.04 LTS: What's Changing? | Tux Machines [09:32] matey lawyers enjoy creaeting tools that do weird things [09:32] schestowitz-TR OK, I need to think of an example here. Sill thinking... [09:33] schestowitz-TR Take speech restrictions [09:33] matey mmhmm [09:33] schestowitz-TR A lawyer can issue papers to threaten some bad outcome [09:33] matey that would never happen [09:33] matey /me is being funny [09:33] schestowitz-TR shadowbans are a bad technical counterargument [09:34] mjg59_ What's the technical solution for preventing transphobia? [09:34] matey What's the technical solution for preventing transphobia? <- make everybody trans [09:34] schestowitz-TR Debian and ICBM tried a lot to silence some Fedora and Debian volunteer [09:34] matey i didnt say it was ethical, just that it would technically work [09:34] mjg59_ schestowitz-TR: That's a gross mischaracterisation of the Pocock situation [09:34] schestowitz-TR But for both ICBM and Debian it mostly backfires [09:35] matey also it wouldnt be 100% effective because yknow, self-hate etc [09:35] schestowitz-TR and results in further escalations in tone [09:35] schestowitz-TR and in style [09:35] schestowitz-TR to the point where the style repels me [09:35] schestowitz-TR but in the process is damages the brands [09:35] mjg59_ matey: Right, thinking about these problems purely from the perspective of a technologist doesn't work - social problems frequently require social solutions [09:35] schestowitz-TR both Debian's and ICBM's [09:35] matey thinking about these problems purely from the perspective of a technologist doesn't work <- we are on the same page with that [09:35] schestowitz-TR if they were smart about this, they would seek a resolution years ago [09:36] schestowitz-TR but they were run by total moroms [09:36] schestowitz-TR and then some more morons [09:36] schestowitz-TR looking tro blindly defend prior morons [09:36] schestowitz-TR so we can morontocracy [09:36] matey "prior morons" sounds like the sort of term youd come up with after reading too many epo discussions [09:36] matey "whats your justification for such a remark" [09:36] matey "im sorry about that, there are prior morons" [09:37] schestowitz-TR matey: yes, EPO always [09:37] schestowitz-TR corrupt officials only leave other corrupt officials in charg [09:37] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@uyycfdpcfwkrc.irc) has joined #techrights [09:37] schestowitz-TR otherwise people might be held accountable [09:37] matey broken window legal theory [09:37] mjg59_ CoCs are not intended to directly solve social problems, they're intended to provide a framework where a subset of social problems can be handled in a defined way rather than nobody knowing how to respond [09:37] schestowitz-TR you could call it that [09:37] schestowitz-TR but all in all this results in kakistocracy [09:37] schestowitz-TR and dooms the org/company [09:38] matey CoCs are not intended to directly solve social problems, they're intended to provide a framework where a subset of social problems can be handled in a defined way rather than nobody knowing how to respond <- we can however, use technological thinking to illustration some SPECTACULAR failures in how well this works [09:38] schestowitz-TR like companies hiring CFOs to cover up the morbid state [09:38] schestowitz-TR and thus doing nothing to prevent or reverse the demise [09:38] matey even if there are problems that technological thinking doesnt solve well [09:38] schestowitz-TR just kicking the can further down the road [09:38] schestowitz-TR CoCs have destroyed projects [09:39] schestowitz-TR because people misused them [09:39] schestowitz-TR they gave too much power to reckless people [09:39] matey the "we have a problem" "heres a solution" "okay its fixed lets ignore any problems with the solution" approach applies to technology and social issues [09:39] schestowitz-TR who never had power [09:39] matey but with social issues it really finds its niche [09:39] schestowitz-TR and didn't know how to handle power [09:39] mjg59_ Projects that didn't have CoCs have died because nobody was willing to work with them [09:39] schestowitz-TR and went about hitting the hammer on anything they found mildly inconvenient [09:39] schestowitz-TR not foreseeing what this can entail [09:39] schestowitz-TR LF is like this now [09:39] schestowitz-TR and people are seeing that [09:40] schestowitz-TR LF is , at thig point,a leech sucking up to corporations [09:40] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@idx2hgwaipuwq.irc) has joined #techrights [09:40] matey "Projects that didn't have CoCs have died because nobody was willing to work with them" <- this sounds suspiciously 1. untrue and 2. like another fallacious argument that open source makes about projects and their viability [09:40] schestowitz-TR and the corporations will toss it out the moment LF is no longer "useful" to them [09:40] matey when i say "like another fallacious argument" this is an understatement [09:40] matey projects die for ALL SORTS of reasons. sometimes they are killed. [09:41] matey in other words, foul play DOES exist [09:41] schestowitz-TR self-fulfilling prophecy [09:41] schestowitz-TR let's set up a social control media mob [09:41] schestowitz-TR attack p-eople who don't agree with us [09:41] matey more like kill projects and then blame your opponents. [09:41] schestowitz-TR and then it's "proof" [09:42] matey although i wouldnt imagine this explains everything [09:42] matey there probably are loads of projects that only attract social justice warrior types in the first place [09:42] matey those im sure, would die without a coc. [09:42] matey but you could just as easily s/coc/github/ and say projects die without that too [09:43] matey and thats why github has taken over [09:43] matey and it would be, for some value of-- utter bullshit. [09:43] matey its network effects, posing as necessity [09:43] matey by the same argument, we need facebook. [09:43] matey and various other crap that does more harm than good. [09:44] matey at the core is survivorship bias-- but its more sinister than that [09:44] matey its marketing. [09:45] matey x died because they refused to use alternatives to android [09:45] matey thats why we need facial recognition. [09:46] matey the problem with cocs isnt what they try to accomplish [09:46] matey its the side effects [09:46] matey like im not against curing hiv, but if the cure makes your fucking head fall off, its not very useful [09:47] matey also im vaxxed, so [09:47] matey just wanted to point that out [09:47] matey im not particularly thrilled that im a medical experiment, though im not dead, so theres that [09:48] *gooseheaded has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:51] matey the problem with cocs isnt what they try to accomplish <- actually this is half true [09:51] matey theyre really just fucking horribly designed, and ride their good intentions all the way to hell [09:52] matey theres 100 years of debate that would warn a more reasonable person against such a scheme, without ever having an iota of anything against the (higher) goals [09:53] matey because it would be hijacked and used against people who are JUST AS GOOD as the people they aim to help [09:53] matey but cocs arent written in a way that allows diversity [09:53] matey theyre written in a way that makes diversity a crime, and conformity a virtue [09:54] matey and in practice provide a wedge that MUST be used wherever it fits [09:54] matey the wording right on the thing says otherwise. and yet, here is practice to show how much that means in the real world [09:55] matey how do things turn into their exact opposite? poor planning, poor design, poor followup [09:55] matey the perfect storm for convenient bullshit [09:55] matey throw in a poor understanding of history, as these things are comprised mostly of lessons that could have been learned by now [09:56] matey but like technologists, people get this idea that an idea is new because they havent been around long enough [09:56] matey "its the same idea, its the same idea"-- eddie izzard (who now claims to be trans, which is fine with me) [09:57] matey i believe he uses the same pronouns and hes not the most common sort of trans person, but ive always liked him and hoped to speak of him in a way that would make him happy [09:57] matey hes spent his career making fun of a LOT of stupid ideas. like wwii. [09:58] matey but of course it was a good idea! we had to go do wwii because of hitler [09:58] matey wrong [09:58] matey wwii was a bandage over a very long series of FUCKING AWFUL ideas [09:58] matey like supporting hitler in the first place [09:59] matey its about as good an idea as stabbing yourself in the arm repeatedly and then tying a tourniqet around it [09:59] matey try not stabbing yourself over and over in the arm if you get the chance ● Apr 19 [10:00] matey once you have of course, youll need to take measures [10:00] matey wwii was one of the dumbest things humanity ever did [10:00] matey why? because we could have avoided it. [10:01] matey think about the number of times we had to fuck up royally just to end up in a situation where wwii was a reasonable response [10:02] matey and im not just saying hindsight is 2020 [10:02] matey im saying not being the worlds dumbest species isnt that hard [10:02] matey just stop doing the dumbest shit possible, thats a good start [10:02] matey might have been enough to avoid wwii actually [10:04] matey companies like microsoft do well because society likes to do the dumbest shit it can over and over and then say: [10:04] matey "oh shit, NOW what do we do?" [10:05] matey well, do a bunch of really stupid things, someone will come up with a bunch of really dumb solutions [10:05] matey nice little feedback loop [10:06] matey the security on my fan is pretty good by the way [10:06] matey no wifi, no mobile network, no li-ion batteries [10:06] matey add a bunch of dumb shit to it, and now we have more problems to solve [10:07] matey that will take "better solutions" [10:07] matey of course this would NEVER happen to free software [10:07] matey its impossible, people would just remove it. [10:08] matey Melvin Edward Conway is a computer scientist, computer programmer, and hacker who coined what is now known as Conway's law: "Organizations, who design systems, are constrained to produce designs which are copies of the communication structures of these organizations." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melvin_Conway [10:08] TR Bot Melvin Conway - Wikipedia [10:09] matey the fates of gnu and the fsf are closely linked, how much so time will tell [10:09] matey oliva obviously never heard of conways law [10:10] matey neither did rms, because he would understand the threat ibm poses to gcc [10:10] matey he would have understood it even before ibm bought red hat [10:11] TR News The Great Resignation Is a Great Exaggeration https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/great-resignation-workers/ the crooks who run the system pretend that the system failing is the fault of its VICTIMS! [10:11] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: thenation.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/great-resignation-workers/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/great-resignation-workers/ [10:11] TR Bot The Great Resignation Is a Great Exaggeration | The Nation [10:11] TR News The sociopaths who run ICBM constantly blame the staff, esp. senior staff, for the company's demise. ICBM also spreads many ruinous lies, not only buzzwords. [10:12] matey he might have even understood the threat the fsf poses to it [10:12] matey and here we are [10:13] matey here is an extreme interpretation of free software + conways law [10:13] TR News ICBM supports the free software community like viruses support vaccines. You know who emulates who.... [10:13] matey "dont let corporations control users. let a small non-profit with a few thousand members do that instead" [10:14] matey "but we dont want to control users!" [10:14] matey okay, so dont! [10:27] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [10:35] *gooseheaded has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:43] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [10:47] TR News "Last years allocation came at zero cost to the United States, and has proved invaluable for developing countries around the world." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/18/righting-the-record-claims-that-sdrs-help-us-enemies-are-baseless/ | Source: Counter Punch [10:47] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/18/righting-the-record-claims-that-sdrs-help-us-enemies-are-baseless/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/18/righting-the-record-claims-that-sdrs-help-us-enemies-are-baseless/ [10:47] TR Bot the Record: Claims that SDRs Help US Enemies Are Baseless - CounterPunch.org [10:49] AltLink_c52c [:T] SomeH4x0r https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/98432 [10:49] TR Bot Cat Owners Have Lower Heart Attack Risk, Study [10:49] SomeH4x0r hi, are you bot? [10:50] AltLink_c52c [:T] Every person who use Linux already own a cat. $ cat [10:50] schestowitz_log__ which cat [10:51] AltLink_c52c [:T] $ which cat -- /bin/cat [10:51] schestowitz_log__ AltLink_97e: richer people have pets [10:51] AltLink_97e https://framagit.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/issues/34 [10:51] AltLink_c52c New Issue | richer people have pets | https://framagit.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/issues/34 [10:51] TR Bot richer people have pets (#34) Issues Crimeflare / deCloudflare GitLab [10:51] schestowitz_log__ and richer people have better health [10:51] matey rofl [10:52] schestowitz_log__ AltLink_97e: lol my ticket system was hijacked by RUSSIANS!! [10:52] SomeH4x0r do I have higher risk of heart attack if I'm depressed? [10:52] AltLink_97e schestowitz_log__, why? [10:54] schestowitz Confucius Says man who depress risk heart attack [10:54] schestowitz Confucius Says man who dead cannot get heart attack [10:55] matey AltLink_97e: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_yeaFPSrJ5E [10:55] TR Bot DIY voice control robot using arduino || VD Tech Creator - Invidious [10:56] TR News Steam Deck Client Update out, plus Valve dev clarifies a tweak for Gaming Mode | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/steam-deck-client-update-out-plus-valve-dev-clarifies-a-tweak-for-gaming-mode/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games [10:56] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/steam-deck-client-update-out-plus-valve-dev-clarifies-a-tweak-for-gaming-mode/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/steam-deck-client-update-out-plus-valve-dev-clarifies-a-tweak-for-gaming-mode/ [10:56] TR Bot Deck Client Update out, plus Valve dev clarifies a tweak for Gaming Mode | GamingOnLinux [10:56] schestowitz Confucius Says man who has friends has support network [10:56] schestowitz Confucius Says man who has kids has network to support [10:57] SomeH4x0r IRC network support [10:57] SomeH4x0r being an admin [10:57] schestowitz hello, how can I help|? [10:57] matey computer says no [10:57] SomeH4x0r I have "/uplink" for "Hello. Do you need any Uplink help?" which I send on UplinkIRC sometimes a few times a day, when players join. [10:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.66 k/sec., IPFS upstream 46.31 average k/sec., average swarm size 291.05 ● Apr 19 [11:00] matey ConfuciusConf 2022 [11:01] schestowitz sponsored by MetaBook [11:02] matey "if the mat was not straight, the main would not sit" [11:03] matey later he was cancelled for not being lgbt-friendly [11:03] TR News Game manager Lutris continues Flatpak improvements | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/game-manager-lutris-continues-flatpak-improvements/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games [11:03] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/game-manager-lutris-continues-flatpak-improvements/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/game-manager-lutris-continues-flatpak-improvements/ [11:03] TR Bot manager Lutris continues Flatpak improvements | GamingOnLinux [11:03] matey "i didnt mean that kind of straight" [11:04] TR News "Between 2022-04-12 and 2022-04-19 there were 21 New Steam games released with Native Linux clients. For reference, during the same time, there were 190 games released for Windows on Steam, so the Linux versions represent about 11.1 % of total released titles." https://boilingsteam.com/new-steam-games-native-linux-2022-04-19/ [11:04] TR Bot New Steam Games with Native Linux Clients - 2022-04-19 Edition - Boiling Steam [11:06] *gooseheaded has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:07] TR News Puppy Linux A Collection of Multiple Linux Distributions Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163880 [11:07] TR Bot Puppy Linux A Collection of Multiple Linux Distributions | Tux Machines [11:16] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@idx2hgwaipuwq.irc) has joined #techrights [11:19] *gooseheaded has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:21] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [11:24] *gooseheaded has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:29] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@7adiimzyx9th6.irc) has joined #techrights [11:35] *matey has quit (connection closed) [11:36] TR News SkiffOS minimal Linux for embedded containers now supports Sipeed Nezha RISC-V board Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163881 [11:36] TR Bot SkiffOS minimal Linux for embedded containers now supports Sipeed Nezha RISC-V board | Tux Machines [11:36] TR News Games:Steam, Lutris, and Portal 3 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163882 [11:36] TR Bot Games:Steam, Lutris, and Portal 3 | Tux Machines [11:36] TR News 5 Best Free and Open Source C# Object-Relational Mapping Software Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163883 [11:36] TR Bot 5 Best Free and Open Source C# Object-Relational Mapping Software | Tux Machines [11:36] TR News Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163884 [11:36] TR Bot Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [11:38] schestowitz-TR [11:03] later he was cancelled for not being lgbt-friendly [11:38] schestowitz-TR I didn't get the joke [11:38] schestowitz-TR anyway, you left out the q and the plus [11:38] schestowitz-TR that's not inclusive enough [11:39] schestowitz-TR Confucius jokes are always good [11:39] schestowitz-TR but soon it'll be considered racist [11:39] schestowitz-TR Confucius is old, not white, at least Confucius is male [11:39] schestowitz-TR so maybe it's OK to joke about Confucius [11:39] schestowitz-TR "fucking dinobaby!" =>ICBM [11:43] schestowitz I bet ICBM calls RMS dinobaby internally :-) http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Ageism [11:43] TR Bot IBM - Techrights [11:43] schestowitz ICBM is all abouti inclusion [11:43] schestowitz except old people [11:43] schestowitz "die already motherfucker" -ICBM shareholders [11:43] schestowitz no li,e no pension [11:43] schestowitz *life [11:44] schestowitz tghey got sued for drivbing older people to suicide [11:44] schestowitz nice company [11:44] schestowitz run a hate campaign against RMS [11:44] schestowitz taking out of context cultural references from the 70s [11:44] schestowitz like rocky horror show [11:45] *bnchs (~bnchs@xt2erdtrfhfy4.irc) has joined #techrights [11:46] schestowitz ICBM+Microsoft to our community: do you want a help with that noose? [11:46] schestowitz "no community" -> assets up for grabs [11:46] schestowitz "who wants to have grandpa's code?" [11:57] DaemonFC Great, now I think I have a thermostat that's stuck open. [11:57] DaemonFC Oh well, those aren't the end of the world. [11:57] DaemonFC Another nuisance. [11:58] DaemonFC schestowitz, My aunt is bipolar. My other aunt told me one time that when the bipolar aunt applied for disability, they took so long deciding on it that she got a backpay check for over $10,000. [11:59] DaemonFC They accidentally sent it to her instead of her caseworker. [11:59] DaemonFC That was on a Friday, and by Monday the entire thing was gone. I asked what she had spent it on and she says "She paid some guy to work on her car and stuff.". I said, "What kind of work was she having done on a car in 1980 that was $10,000?". ● Apr 19 [12:00] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@idx2hgwaipuwq.irc) has joined #techrights [12:00] DaemonFC You could go buy a Mercedes, new, for about twice that. [12:00] *gooseheaded has quit (Quit: A Book which I am writing, and would love to share: https://executingreality.com/pdfs/TheNOTES/NOTES.pdf) [12:00] schestowitz-TR Mercedes is expensive to maintain [12:00] schestowitz-TR purchase price is just a first installment [12:00] schestowitz-TR they sell them refurbished here for under $`10k [12:00] schestowitz-TR across the road from our house [12:01] DaemonFC I'm swinging by Chevy today to get that heater thing looked at. [12:01] schestowitz-TR you got yourself a full-time job with this buick [12:01] schestowitz-TR while mandy labours away at walton-ville [12:02] DaemonFC Either they left some air bubbles that worked into the core yesterday, in which case, they need to burp it and I don't expect them to charge me, or something stupid is going on with the thermostat most likely. [12:02] DaemonFC Oh, GM decided to put coolant pipes in a tensioner. [12:02] DaemonFC Mercedes is expensive to maintain [12:02] DaemonFC Yes, which is why they lose 80% of their retail value in three years. [12:02] TR News Linux Mint's Upgrade Tool is now available for beta testing http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163852#comment-33389 [12:02] TR Bot Linux Mints New Upgrade Tool Enters Public Beta Testing, Heres How to Use It | Tux Machines [12:02] DaemonFC The original owner doesn't want to be anywhere near it when it goes bad. [12:03] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [12:03] *activelow (~activelow@7n99st3fyggac.irc) has joined #techrights [12:03] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Leaving a car sitting can be as bad or worse than driving it. [12:03] DaemonFC All sorts of stuff gets gunked up and rots. [12:04] DaemonFC It's possible that flushing the coolant just went ahead and crapped up the thermostat, I suppose. [12:04] DaemonFC They're made so that they try to stick open if they fail. [12:04] DaemonFC Then the most common thing you'll notice is your heater starts working poorly. [12:04] *Skywave (~SkywaveC3@fici29dumxqp6.irc) has joined #techrights [12:05] DaemonFC A few days ago the heater was working so well it would burn you out of the car. [12:05] DaemonFC So I think that it's not the core. [12:05] DaemonFC There's no signs that it would be the core. [12:06] DaemonFC The core usually fails, and not only does the heat go out entirely (while mine is blowing lukewarm air now), but you start hearing coolant sloshing around in it, or smelling coolant, or ending up with coolant on the floorboard of your car (at which point you definitely smell it). [12:06] DaemonFC It's one of those things that just sort of works or it doesn't. [12:07] DaemonFC This morning, the heater was blowing lukewarm and the engine temperature gauge was on the colder side, which screams stuck open thermostat to me. [12:07] DaemonFC The engine warms up but not enough to reach ideal operating temperature, and as a result, your coolant never gets hot enough to put out old lady heat on you. [12:08] DaemonFC So there's a few things it could be that are stupid and relatively inexpensive before we start talking about a core. [12:08] schestowitz-TR she should have paid you to take it OFF her palms [12:08] DaemonFC Well, this is always how buying a used car goes. [12:08] schestowitz-TR seeing what a nanny-begging bag of shit this car is [12:08] schestowitz-TR it's an impala with a designer purse [12:09] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, People buy them and then if you ask for service records you're lucky if they can pull out Midas oil change receipts. [12:09] DaemonFC People don't take care of their stuff. [12:09] schestowitz-TR do with I do: [12:09] schestowitz-TR order a taxi if you need one [12:09] DaemonFC Eventually, you work through the problems you didn't notice when you bought it and it works okay for a while. [12:09] schestowitz-TR it's a lot cheaper and less trouble [12:10] schestowitz-TR it also provides local jobs [12:10] schestowitz-TR just make sure it doesn't say "lyft" or "uber" on it [12:10] schestowitz-TR that's saudi [12:10] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Well, the dealer is more expensive than an independent or chain shop.... [12:10] DaemonFC But those chain places and independents seem to mostly hire younger mechanics who don't want very much salary. [12:11] DaemonFC Then you get what you pay for because they're constantly misdiagnosing problems or calling it and tapping out and handing you the car back because it'll take too long to diagnose. [12:11] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [12:12] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [12:13] DaemonFC Just one or two misdiagnosed problems that lead to incorrect or incompetent repair can cost you more than paying the dealer a bit higher labor hours to fix it right the first time. [12:13] DaemonFC For maybe $25 more per labor hour, you're much less likely to get someone throwing parts at it. [12:14] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, There's no way I'm replacing a TPMS sensor at the dealer though. [12:14] DaemonFC I can go over to Discount Tire and pay $63.75 and have them replace the malfunctioning sensor and save $100. [12:15] DaemonFC A good rule of thumb is if it's simple, go to an independent or a chain, if you can like, you know, point at it and say "That's the problem! Replace THAT!" and you're sure. [12:15] DaemonFC But if it's complicated, some of those less trained mechanics might do thousands in unneeded parts replacement while your car is still doing the thing. [12:16] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@idx2hgwaipuwq.irc) has joined #techrights [12:16] *gooseheaded has quit (Quit: A Book which I am writing, and would love to share: https://executingreality.com/pdfs/TheNOTES/NOTES.pdf) [12:17] DaemonFC More suitable jobs for less trained mechanics might include tires, tire sensors, fluid changes (but not at Jiffy Lube), brake jobs, and engine trouble codes that have an obvious cause. Right? Like "O2 sensor bank 2 failure" or "Problem with EGR system". [12:17] DaemonFC Don't go to the dealer for that. [12:18] DaemonFC If something is going to possibly involve an expensive job where numerous cheaper things may actually be to blame, go to the dealer and pay for a diagnostic. [12:18] DaemonFC Because if the mechanic starts guessing, sucks to be you. [12:22] schestowitz-TR when it comes to cars, each small fix costs like a new computer [12:22] schestowitz-TR when it comes to homes, each fix (new room, new kitchen) costs like a new car [12:22] schestowitz-TR of course you can avoid both [12:24] DaemonFC With car repair costs, that's exactly why you don't want the "guessing mechanic" problem. [12:24] DaemonFC They also might do other things to run up the tab that a dealership probably won't do. [12:24] TR News Links 19/04/2022: The state of the Free Software movement and SkiffOS | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/19/skiffos/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/19/skiffos/ [12:24] TR Bot Links 19/04/2022: The state of the Free Software movement and SkiffOS | Techrights [12:25] DaemonFC Like come out and tell you your car will explode if you don't replace a list of things there's nothing wrong with. [12:25] schestowitz-TR honest mechanic [12:25] schestowitz-TR poor lawyer [12:26] schestowitz-TR well-meaning politician [12:26] schestowitz-TR nice landlord [12:26] schestowitz-TR good luck finding them [12:26] schestowitz-TR oh, the gentle taxi driver [12:26] schestowitz-TR they're aggressive on the road [12:27] *immibis_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [12:27] *immibis_ (~hexchat@62.156.144.218) has joined #techrights [12:29] TR News SHAME ON YOU SHAME SHAME SHAME W3C!!!!! To use your site I need to go through ClownFlare, which gives me CAPTCHAs (do I need to help them, train "HEY HI" by clicking trains?). Does w3C give a SHIT about BLIND PEOPLE? "Provide feedback on the hCaptcha you just saw..." oh, yeah, just send blind people jumping through hoops now. The Web has become an expression of hatred against disabled people. [12:29] SomeH4x0r so it *did* outsource now? [12:30] TR News Who is running W3C? DRM pushers and Pentagon contractors who commit crimes. IOW, it increasingly seems like the Web is controlled by mobsters and crooks. Don't participate in their little sandbox. Explode Gemini. [12:30] TR News Who is running W3C? DRM pushers and Pentagon contractors who commit crimes. IOW, it increasingly seems like the Web is controlled by mobsters and crooks. Don't participate in their little sandbox. Explore Gemini instead. [12:30] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Yeah, like if you go in because your car says bank one oxygen sensor. [12:30] TR News Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163885 [12:30] TR Bot Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [12:30] DaemonFC And the guy comes out with a list of 12 engine problems that the car wasn't even complaining about... [12:30] DaemonFC Go somewhere else. [12:31] TR News Open Hardware/Modding Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163886 [12:31] TR Bot Open Hardware/Modding Leftovers | Tux Machines [12:31] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163887 [12:31] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [12:31] DaemonFC Don't even tell them what the first guy said. [12:31] TR News Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163888 [12:31] TR Bot today's leftovers | Tux Machines [12:31] DaemonFC Eventually you'll get someone ho just replaces that sensor and then all your problems are gone again and the other 11 things were bullshit. [12:31] DaemonFC They have to bullshit at independents because they work on commissions. [12:31] DaemonFC They don't get paid well unless they stuff the bill. [12:32] DaemonFC So they do! [12:32] schestowitz-TR SomeH4x0r: not just now [12:32] schestowitz-TR a few months ago [12:32] schestowitz-TR but it got WORSE [12:32] DaemonFC And then it doesn't matter anymore what each job costs, because they recommend a lot of unnecessary services. [12:32] DaemonFC Anyway....bbiab. [12:32] schestowitz-TR now I need to solve CAPTCHAs [12:32] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [12:32] schestowitz-TR w3c!!! [12:32] schestowitz-TR fucking w3c!! [12:33] schestowitz-TR That's like the Olympic committee pushing mcdonalds and coca cola [12:33] schestowitz-TR ohm wait a sec... [12:33] schestowitz-TR (it does) [12:33] schestowitz-TR w3c: adhere to WEB STANDARDS!!! [12:33] schestowitz-TR w3c passing DRM (EME) as a standard!!!) [12:34] schestowitz-TR these ***ers should be buried along with the Web [12:34] schestowitz-TR the web became not a web [12:34] schestowitz-TR but a family of proprietary browsers [12:34] *GNUmoon2 has quit (connection closed) [12:34] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [12:34] schestowitz-TR that act as little but a VM/canvas with malware running in it [12:34] schestowitz-TR complete with DRM [12:35] schestowitz-TR because criminals aren't the companies but the users/clients of those companies [12:35] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [12:35] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@cbwgpji3y5p7s.irc) has joined #techrights [12:35] schestowitz-TR and the browsers should treat them all as "pirates" (their term) [12:36] schestowitz-TR VM/malware container (aka "Web browser"): we cannot let you visit this page [12:36] schestowitz-TR you: WHY? [12:36] schestowitz-TR VM/malware container (aka "Web browser"): Zemlin with Microsoft's fist up his back end, jumping for Pentagon dollars while Ukraine is bombed to rubble, says your Web site must register with his pyramid scheme [12:36] schestowitz-TR to be "trusted" ("permitted to operate") site [12:38] TR News Todo Lists gemini://ainent.xyz/gemlog/2022-04-18-todo-lists.gmi "I read through most of the documentation before starting this migration in earnest, and was actually a bit overwhelmed. This tool is *huge*. You can configure (per command or with a configuration file) *everything* and add metadata for anything" [12:38] bnchs schestowitz-TR, EME helped lock out other browsers [12:39] bnchs google widevine is the most used DRM scheme that supports EME [12:39] schestowitz-TR esp. the "nastry" (freedom-respecting) ones [12:39] schestowitz-TR Gulag wants us all back in the gulag [12:39] schestowitz-TR it can settle on Firefox too, for now [12:39] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@idx2hgwaipuwq.irc) has joined #techrights [12:39] schestowitz-TR because it has us herded in that, too [12:40] schestowitz-TR vanilla firedox does NOTHING to protect from spying and ads [12:40] schestowitz-TR use librewolf instead [12:40] schestowitz-TR if you need gecko [12:40] schestowitz-TR don't use even Firefox clones [12:40] schestowitz-TR netsurf is OK [12:41] TR News "Everyone felt heard, nobody interrupted each other (well they did a bit, but the timekeeper added more time to account for it), and we suffered far less repetition. When a subject arose I didn't have any care for, I remained silent, which shortened the debate." gemini://malinfreeborn.com/gen/symposium.gmi [12:41] bnchs you can choose not to implement EME [12:42] TR News "Further to my post Why i like mdoc(7) for man pages[a], i've now written a quickstart guide to encourage people to use mdoc(7)[b] when authoring man pages." gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/users/flexibeast/gemlog/2022-04-19.gmi [12:42] bnchs and get people complain about netflix not working [12:42] bnchs or their DRM bullshit [12:42] schestowitz-TR netflix is a bit of a bubble [12:42] schestowitz-TR and here's why [12:42] schestowitz-TR there are more companies entering the same space [12:42] schestowitz-TR streaming+drm [12:42] schestowitz-TR like disney+ [12:42] bnchs lol [12:42] schestowitz-TR and they can barely get people on board [12:42] schestowitz-TR netflix wasn't profitable for a long time [12:43] bnchs it will burst when consumers got sick of paying tons of shit [12:43] schestowitz-TR they hope they can turn things around [12:43] schestowitz-TR tesla the same [12:43] schestowitz-TR barely any profits [12:43] bnchs consumers paying for tons of streaming services [12:43] schestowitz-TR and the other automobile companies ACTUALLY make REAL vewhicles [12:43] schestowitz-TR not vapourware and noise [12:43] schestowitz-TR so they lower the market value of tesla hype machine [12:43] bnchs elon musk is the one making vaporware and noise [12:43] bnchs and retarded memes on twitter [12:43] bnchs he puts them on telsa [12:43] schestowitz-TR for netflix and spotify (losses also) more competition makes them like Uber... [12:43] schestowitz-TR an elusive dream [12:44] schestowitz-TR many idiots can cobble together ride-sharing "apps" [12:44] schestowitz-TR and so without monopoly power their whole business model crumbles [12:44] schestowitz-TR gulagtube is swqueezing the goose [12:44] schestowitz-TR and many leave [12:44] schestowitz-TR EME on the Web will hopefully fail like music DRM [12:44] schestowitz-TR it just drives people to sharing raw files [12:45] schestowitz-TR and so only the "legit" "users" suffer [12:45] schestowitz-TR netflix tries to 'tackle password sharing" (straw man) to implement price hikes [12:45] schestowitz-TR so there's hope that enough people will say "NO!" [12:45] schestowitz-TR or #CancelNetflix [12:45] schestowitz-TR like FSF says [12:45] schestowitz-TR and those companies will become toilet papes [12:45] schestowitz-TR *paper [12:46] bnchs people are resorting to torrenting again [12:46] schestowitz-TR like spotify after it tried to reinvent itself as "poscast" company [12:46] schestowitz-TR by bringing a crank onboard [12:46] schestowitz-TR *podcast [12:46] schestowitz-TR if not a crank, then a man who invites crank to his show [12:46] schestowitz-TR including "pedo guy" Musk [12:46] schestowitz-TR BTW, Twitter STILL loses money [12:46] *gooseheaded_ (~gooseheaded@idx2hgwaipuwq.irc) has joined #techrights [12:46] schestowitz-TR Musk knows he's inreasingly hated [12:47] schestowitz-TR he thinks running this thing at a loss (like shithub) will bring him respect [12:47] schestowitz-TR like Microsofgt thought shithub would bring developers to windows/azure [12:47] schestowitz-TR it did not work, or hardly [12:47] schestowitz-TR skype was a ramp for "teams" [12:47] schestowitz-TR and short of bribery microisoft still makes noi headway [12:47] bnchs tesla made more vaporware than actual products [12:47] schestowitz-TR yeah [12:47] schestowitz-TR and it compared a whistleblower to a mass shooter [12:48] *horseface__ (~gooseheaded@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [12:48] schestowitz-TR because he debunked the bubble of tesla being green [12:48] schestowitz-TR musk is a dangerous monster [12:48] schestowitz-TR even corporate shills like Garrett do not like musk [12:48] schestowitz-TR and that tells you a lot! [12:49] *gooseheaded_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:49] *gooseheaded has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:52] bnchs i'm still waiting for the big cybervaporware [12:52] bnchs i mean cyber truck [12:52] bnchs pushed to early 2023 [12:53] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:54] schestowitz-TR according to tweets? [12:54] schestowitz-TR in MuskSocial? [12:55] schestowitz-TR is that posted for customers? [12:55] schestowitz-TR or for shareholders? [12:55] schestowitz-TR who sold the stock and when? [12:55] schestowitz-TR before and after the "tweets"? [12:55] bnchs https://www.engadget.com/tesla-cybertruck-delay-2022-150309858.html [12:55] TR Bot quietly delays Cybertruck to 2022 | Engadget [12:55] bnchs https://www.reuters.com/technology/exclusive-tesla-delays-initial-production-cybertruck-early-2023-source-2022-01-13/ [12:55] TR Bot Tesla delays initial production of Cybertruck to early 2023 - source | Reuters [12:55] bnchs future news: tesla delays cybertruck to 2030 [12:58] bnchs people thought early microsoft was a big vaporware maker [12:58] bnchs but now it's tesla [12:58] schestowitz-TR what the fork is "cybertruck"? [12:58] schestowitz-TR I thought you were joking [12:58] schestowitz-TR can you buy it with cybercoin? [12:58] bnchs it's this big obviously crash-unsafe truck [12:59] bnchs that will crumble your legs upon impact [12:59] bnchs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Cybertruck [12:59] TR Bot Tesla Cybertruck - Wikipedia [12:59] schestowitz-TR CyBORG-TRUCK [12:59] schestowitz-TR YOU WILL ASSIMILATE! YOUR LEGS TOO!! ● Apr 19 [13:00] bnchs "Particular concerns highlighted by these two bodies include the high stiffness of the "exoskeleton" exterior resulting in a lack of crumple zones, as well as the tall, flat front of the truck, which could increase the severity of leg injuries" [13:01] *horseface__ has quit (Quit: A Book which I am writing, and would love to share: https://executingreality.com/pdfs/TheNOTES/NOTES.pdf) [13:01] bnchs i'm pretty sure the cybertruck that was on elon's stage was a big prop [13:02] bnchs this shit would be illegal on the streets [13:02] schestowitz-TR just some fake product [13:03] schestowitz-TR like elon's hair [13:03] schestowitz-TR to keep the market manipulated [13:03] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [13:03] schestowitz-TR and maybe he can do a PIA [13:03] schestowitz-TR and use Musk Social to try to sell some fakecoin [13:03] bnchs vaporware is what brings the fans [13:03] schestowitz-TR and make his own "joseon" fakeEmpire [13:03] bnchs "oh look he announced this cool product, he's so kewl" [13:03] schestowitz-TR "hhhhhheeee sooo fuuunny!!" 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Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163889 [13:32] TR Bot Firmware - what are we going to do about it? | Tux Machines [13:34] TR News The Big GNU/Linux Switch Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163890 Now criminals from Microsoft know where to go and who to bribe (as usual): http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162988 [13:34] TR Bot The Big Linux Switch | Tux Machines [13:34] TR Bot Microsoft Run by Criminals, Who Expel Those Who Don't Participate in the Crimes | Tux Machines [13:34] *gooseheaded has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:36] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [13:37] TR News "Long time no see, my dear reader! I was planning a lot for this blog, as well as for the Advanced Raku For Beginners series. But you know what they say: wanna make the God laugh tell him your plans!" https://vrurg.github.io/2022/04/18/will-complain-trait [13:37] TR Bot A New will complain Trait - LFlat, The Home of Vrurg [13:39] TR News The Free Software community mourns the loss of Pedro Francisco (MasGNULinux) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163891 [13:39] TR Bot The Free Software community mourns the loss of Pedro Francisco (MasGNULinux) | Tux Machines [13:41] *gooseheaded has quit (Quit: A Book which I am writing, and would love to share: https://executingreality.com/pdfs/TheNOTES/NOTES.pdf) [13:42] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163892 [13:42] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [13:51] TR News New Java Articles, Especially From Red Hat Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163893 [13:51] TR Bot New Java Articles, Especially From Red Hat | Tux Machines [13:52] TR News Based on reports, ICBM drives workers to burnout. Maybe it should take a different company's advice? https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/4/burnout-5-leadership-tips [13:52] TR Bot Burnout busters: 5 tips to give your team motivation and purpose | The Enterprisers Project [13:53] TR News "The EC90A-GH is a compact sized computer that is designed to function as a secured AI edge computing and IoT platform." https://linuxgizmos.com/dfi-industrial-mini-pc-features-amd-ryzen-embedded-r1000-processor/ [13:53] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: linuxgizmos.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxgizmos.com/dfi-industrial-mini-pc-features-amd-ryzen-embedded-r1000-processor/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://linuxgizmos.com/dfi-industrial-mini-pc-features-amd-ryzen-embedded-r1000-processor/ [13:53] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/dfi-industrial-mini-pc-features-amd-ryzen-embedded-r1000-processor/ ) [13:54] TR News LOL. HPC in the clown. Meaningless garbage. 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Seriously? https://cloudyday.tech.blog/2022/04/19/the-wonders-of-modern-life/ [13:56] TR Bot The Wonders of Modern Life blog.theuse.net [13:57] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:57] *tpmdr (~tpm@txkdaiuveepza.irc) has joined #techrights [13:57] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@iv9bxb8zekfbq.irc) has joined #techrights [13:57] TR News SysLinuxOS 11.3 is out. https://syslinuxos.com/ [13:57] TR Bot - SysLinuxOS [13:57] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:57] *tpmd has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:58] *activelow (~activelow@9uija3px4kbp2.irc) has joined #techrights [13:59] *immibis (~hexchat@62.156.144.218) has joined #techrights [13:59] TR News Software Patents Pool. NOT the solution to the problem! https://finance.yahoo.com/news/advantest-joins-open-invention-network-090000110.html [13:59] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: yahoo.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://finance.yahoo.com/news/advantest-joins-open-invention-network-090000110.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://finance.yahoo.com/news/advantest-joins-open-invention-network-090000110.html [13:59] TR Bot Advantest Joins Open Invention Network [13:59] *immibis_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) ● Apr 19 [14:00] TR News "about the size of a credit card and equipped with up to 32GB RAM." https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/19/roc-rk3588s-pc-first-rockchip-rk3588s-sbc-32gb-ram/ [14:00] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/19/roc-rk3588s-pc-first-rockchip-rk3588s-sbc-32gb-ram/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/19/roc-rk3588s-pc-first-rockchip-rk3588s-sbc-32gb-ram/ [14:00] TR Bot ROC-RK3588S-PC is the first Rockchip RK3588S SBC, supports up to 32GB RAM - CNX Software [14:01] schestowitz-TR psydroid2: ^^ [14:02] TR News "As we mentioned in our last blog post about OP-TEE 3.16, Bootlin planned to and contributed some interesting features in the recently released OP-TEE 3.17 ! Here is a short presentation of our contributions to this release" https://bootlin.com/blog/bootlin-contributions-to-op-tee-3-17/ [14:02] TR Bot contributions to OP-TEE 3.17 - Bootlin's blog [14:11] psydroid2 schestowitz-TR, things are becoming serious [14:12] psydroid2 if only that chip was a bit faster, but it's not that far removed from my most recent laptops [14:16] TR News Convert Audio File Formats on Ubuntu with SoundConverter Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163894 [14:16] TR Bot Convert Audio File Formats on Ubuntu with SoundConverter | Tux Machines [14:16] schestowitz-TR psydroid2: depends on the use case [14:18] psydroid2 RK3588 is 9 times faster than Allwinner A64, so it will be a great speedup anyway [14:22] TR News Nushell: A Flexible Open-Source Cross-platform Shell Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163895 [14:22] TR Bot Nushell: A Flexible Open-Source Cross-platform Shell | Tux Machines [14:23] TR News Jesse Afolabi: let's slap a new date on an article from one decade ago and give it a change... again https://www.tecmint.com/ubuntu-budgie/ [14:23] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: tecmint.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.tecmint.com/ubuntu-budgie/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.tecmint.com/ubuntu-budgie/ [14:23] TR Bot Installation and Review of Ubuntu Budgie [Lightweight OS] [14:25] TR News Skanlite A Simple Image Scanning Tool for Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163896 [14:25] TR Bot Skanlite A Simple Image Scanning Tool for Linux | Tux Machines [14:26] *CrystalMath (~coderain@yt8kefdbryumc.irc) has joined #techrights [14:28] TR News Anna Collard on the Essence of Improved Cybersecurity in this [buzzwords] Era https://techeconomy.ng/2022/04/anna-collard-on-the-essence-of-improved-cybersecurity-in-this-5g-era/ [14:28] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: techeconomy.ng | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://techeconomy.ng/2022/04/anna-collard-on-the-essence-of-improved-cybersecurity-in-this-5g-era/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://techeconomy.ng/2022/04/anna-collard-on-the-essence-of-improved-cybersecurity-in-this-5g-era/ [14:28] TR Bot Anna Collard on the Essence of Improved Cybersecurity in this 5G Era [14:30] TR News It seems like DebConf at least stopped accepting bribes from Microsoft criminals https://bits.debian.org/2022/04/debconf22-itp-prizren-platinum.html [14:30] TR Bot ITP Prizren Platinum Sponsor of DebConf22 - Bits from Debian [14:31] TR News Oh, dear. This was outsourced to Microsoft (criminals) proprietary software https://egastablog.wordpress.com/2022/04/19/fedora-media-writer-nextgen-builds-for-all-platforms/ [14:31] TR Bot Fedora MediaWriter (nextgen) on MacOS egasta Blog [14:31] TR News IBM slave program https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-ambassadors-kick-off-call-wrap-up-whats-next-and-how-to-get-involved/ [14:32] TR Bot Fedora Ambassadors Kick-Off Call Wrap Up: what's next and how to get involved! Fedora Community Blog [14:32] TR News FEX-Emu also outsourced to Microsoft (criminals) proprietary software https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=FEX-Emu-2204 [14:32] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=FEX-Emu-2204 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=FEX-Emu-2204 [14:32] TR Bot 2204 Released With Fixes For Running x86/x86_64 Binaries On AArch64 - Phoronix [14:36] *bnchs_ (~bnchs_@qq6bqgqsw7z3c.irc) has joined #techrights [14:38] TR News "Everything that becomes popular turns to crap. So now I have to ditch DuckDuckGo and find an alternative. No, I'm not telling you what I'm moving to, lest they get enough users to dictate their terms to us. #rant" gemini://tobykurien.com/microblog.gmi DuckDuckGo was a SCAM from the get-go http://techrights.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo [14:38] TR Bot DuckDuckGo - Techrights [14:39] TR News "Computers were "good enough" 5 years ago, and we're still using them for the exact same purposes. So why do we have gigs of software updates every week, and why do our computers get slow and "out-of-date" every 2 years?" gemini://tobykurien.com/microblog.gmi [14:39] XRevan86 Is this about https://torrentfreak.com/duckduckgo-restores-pirate-sites-and-points-to-bing-220419/ ? [14:39] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/duckduckgo-restores-pirate-sites-and-points-to-bing-220419/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://torrentfreak.com/duckduckgo-restores-pirate-sites-and-points-to-bing-220419/ [14:39] TR Bot 'Restores' Pirate Sites and Points to Bing as Culprit * TorrentFreak [14:40] TR News "We Value Your Privacy" gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-04-19-we-value-your-privacy.gmi "No you don't. If you did you wouldn't have to hand me a long list of vendors and purposes and so called "legitimate interests" (what does that even mean, anyway?) that I have to manually disable. In fact you wouldn't have any of those in the first place." [14:40] *bnchs_ has quit (Quit: Quit) [14:40] *bnchs (~bnchs_@qq6bqgqsw7z3c.irc) has joined #techrights [14:41] TR News "The long Easter weekend was a good opportunity to relax and recharge a little, and of course test gemlogging via Lagrange in the terminal." gemini://skyjake.fi/gemlog/2022-04_long-weekend.gmi [14:47] schestowitz https://tildegit.org/solderpunk/CAPCOM/src/branch/master/capcom.py [14:47] TR Bot CAPCOM/capcom.py at master - CAPCOM - tildegit [14:49] *ziraffep has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:50] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [14:50] *gooseheaded has quit (connection closed) [14:51] *ziraffep (~ziraffep@qiahibkh2iwka.irc) has joined #techrights ● Apr 19 [15:00] TR News ZDNet is a webspam site bribed by 'Linux' Foundation for a diploma mill ("The best Linux Foundation classes in 2022: Intro to Linux, Cloud Engineer Bootcamp, and more".) ZDNet will be gone for good in a few years... now it's just presstituting [15:03] TR News Microsoft planning to 'spam' XBox with ads. Lacking a source of revenue. Too many units operate at a loss? There are layoffs in spite of Trump and Biden bailing out Microsoft with military (taxpayers) money... [15:04] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [15:04] TR News Thurrott is pushing WSL again so you know. 1) WSL is indeed an ATTACK on GNU/Linux. 2) Real GNU/Linux REALLY scares Microsoft and Microsofters [15:04] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #techrights [15:05] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [15:05] *psymin (~psymin@user/psymin) has joined #techrights [15:06] TR News Software patents shored up by hostile corporations that create pools instead of abolishing fake patents https://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/business/advantest-joins-open-invention-network-linux-cooperation-2022-04/ [15:06] TR Bot Advantest joins Open Invention Network for Linux cooperation [15:07] TR News While many of us fight to abolish software patents Keith Bergelt and other people who never ever use Linux are trying to 'normalise' such patents [15:08] TR News Ukraine is crowdsourcing digital evidence of war crimes https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/ [15:08] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/ [15:08] TR Bot Updates: Digital rights in the Russia-Ukraine conflict - Access Now [15:08] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:09] AltLink_c52c [:T] w3c adhere to WEB STANDARDS // Many web-standards sites and Linux sites joined CF club. [15:09] AltLink_c52c [:T] Letsencrypt, IETF, LinuxFoundation, Mozilla, etc [15:09] AltLink_c52c [:T] Someone once said to us, 'when you cannot beat them join them' [15:09] AltLink_c52c [:T] Maybe he/she is right, why boycott against it when you are already failure (sarcasm) [15:09] TR News Internet under attack because of NATO and Russia https://www.repubblica.it/tecnologia/2022/04/15/news/i_colossi_americani_di_internet_possono_continuare_a_fare_affari_con_la_russia_e_ce_un_motivo-345500159/ [15:09] TR Bot I colossi Usa di Internet possono continuare a lavorare in Russia, e c un motivo - la Repubblica [15:11] TR News NO! You should SHUN social control media. PROBLEM SOLVED -> "However, social media companies need to adjust their content moderation policies in order to preserve material with evidential value, and guarantee that eyewitness accounts will not be blocked for sharing content with violent elements." https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/ [15:11] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/ [15:12] TR News Any social control media = war propaganda machine. Scooping up spoils of war, just like the military contractors which make bombs. Wanna stop the war? Stop supporting those who PROFIT from it. http://techrights.org/2022/04/10/conflict-of-interest-epoi/ [15:12] TR Bot Conflict of Interest: Battistelli/CEIPI/EPO and AstraZeneca | Techrights [15:13] schestowitz-TR hmmm... wrong link :/ [15:13] TR News Any social control media = war propaganda machine. Scooping up spoils of war, just like the military contractors which make bombs. Wanna stop the war? Stop supporting those who PROFIT from it. http://techrights.org/2022/03/01/twitter-happier-during-wars/ [15:13] TR Bot Twitter Profits From Conflict | Techrights [15:16] TR News Web BLOAT is a contributor to outsourcing (to datacentres) and CDN [sic] consolidation that spies on everyone, e.g. ClownFlare. The solution should start with making the Web a lot "thinner" (or replacing it with something thin). Bloat is a convert form of vendor lockin. [15:17] TR News I would go further and say Microsoft GitHub is iself a virus. And look who's running it: spies (NSA) and criminals. Some even got arrested recently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzoDeoSPQ0U [15:17] TR Bot https://yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=OzoDeoSPQ0U [15:17] TR Bot reports incompatible or unsupported protocol version. ( status 0 @ https://yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=OzoDeoSPQ0U ) [15:18] TR News STATEMENT ON REPEATED INTERNET SHUTDOWNS IN VARIOUS STATES IN RESPONSE TO VIOLENCE https://internetfreedom.in/statement-on-repeated-internet-shutdowns-in-various-states-in-response-to-violence/ Source: internetfreedom [15:18] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: internetfreedom.in | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://internetfreedom.in/statement-on-repeated-internet-shutdowns-in-various-states-in-response-to-violence/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://internetfreedom.in/statement-on-repeated-internet-shutdowns-in-various-states-in-response-to-violence/ [15:18] TR Bot STATEMENT ON REPEATED INTERNET SHUTDOWNS IN VARIOUS STATES IN RESPONSE TO VIOLENCE [15:22] TR News Biden should collect footage of American war crimes, too https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2022/04/14/ukraine-russia-war-images-us-democracy-impact-technology instead, US puts in prison people who shows such footage, e.g. Assange and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulelah_Haider_Shaye [15:22] TR Bot How real-time images from Ukraine impact U.S. democracy [15:22] TR Bot Abdulelah Haider Shaye - Wikipedia [15:22] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163897 [15:22] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [15:23] TR News Biden, are you against war crimes? Good. Then stop doing them. [15:24] TR News If Biden is the world's moral compass, then the compass is broken or part of an elaborate practical joke [15:24] TR News kernel/git/pabeni/net-next.git - pabeni net-next tree https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/pabeni/net-next.git/commit/?id=2a38de067bace34e7315ce6af027fd785c31fe0f Source: git [15:24] TR Bot kernel/git/pabeni/net-next.git - pabeni net-next tree [15:25] TR News kernel/git/geert/linux-m68k.git - Linux/m68k Kernel Development Tree https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/geert/linux-m68k.git/commit/?h=for-next&id=05d51e42df06f0211c7029ab9aa46c492ee85043 Source: git [15:25] TR Bot kernel/git/geert/linux-m68k.git - Linux/m68k Kernel Development Tree [15:27] *gooseheaded has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:27] *tpmdr has quit (Quit) [15:28] *tpmd (~tpm@dnqp5euy36v3k.irc) has joined #techrights [15:28] TR News Adobe reminding us why proprietary software should be avoided https://palant.info/2022/04/19/adobe-acrobat-hollowing-out-same-origin-policy/ [15:28] TR Bot Adobe Acrobat hollowing out same-origin policy | Almost Secure [15:29] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [15:29] TR News Call for testing: 22.04 release candidate images ready! Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163898 [15:29] TR Bot Call for testing: 22.04 release candidate images ready! | Tux Machines [15:32] TR News AVL-MXE 21.1 and MXDE Release-a-palooza! Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163899 [15:32] TR Bot AVL-MXE 21.1 and MXDE Release-a-palooza! | Tux Machines [15:33] TR News Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163900 [15:33] TR Bot Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [15:35] *gooseheaded has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:36] TR News tidelift is joining the Microsoft-led FUD campaign https://blog.tidelift.com/finding-1-security-is-open-source-developers-most-urgent-challenge-while-complying-with-government-requirements-is-a-rising-concern see http://techrights.org/2022/01/14/white-house-security-theatre/ [15:36] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: tidelift.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.tidelift.com/finding-1-security-is-open-source-developers-most-urgent-challenge-while-complying-with-government-requirements-is-a-rising-concern https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blog.tidelift.com/finding-1-security-is-open-source-developers-most-urgent-challenge-while-complying-with-government-requirements-is-a-rising-concern [15:36] TR Bot Finding #1:Security is open source developers most urgent challenge, while complying with government requirements is a rising concern [15:36] TR Bot White House Asking Proprietary Software Companies That Add NSA Back Doors About Their Views on Open Source Security | Techrights [15:39] TR News Arduino turns to Linux for the heavy lifting Portenta X8 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163901 [15:39] TR Bot Arduino turns to Linux for the heavy lifting Portenta X8 | Tux Machines [15:41] TR News Tidelift is a longtime Microsoft booster, in effect trying to reform the image of a company that commits crimes and attacks Free software https://tidelift.com/about/lifter/microsoft_commits https://blog.tidelift.com/wtf-the-data-behind-microsofts-surprising-open-source-track-record [15:41] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: tidelift.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tidelift.com/about/lifter/microsoft_commits https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://tidelift.com/about/lifter/microsoft_commits [15:41] TR Bot Which open source projects has Microsoft committed to? [15:41] TR Bot WTF? The data behind Microsoft's surprising open source track record [15:42] TR News Don't ask Tidelift about Stalin. It might say something about Hitler being bad and thus Stalin being good. Tidelift = corporate shills. [15:44] TR News No, proprietary software from an awfully dodgy firm like Sophos will make you worse off when it comes to security, not better. https://www.itweb.co.za/content/mYZRXv9aBbnvOgA8 [15:44] TR Bot Sophos unveils powerful Cloud Workload Protection advancements with new Linux, container security offerings | ITWeb [15:47] TR News Sophos: buy our rubbish secret software. You'll be safer. Or LESS safe! https://www.eyerys.com/articles/timeline/sophos-warns-customers-about-data-leak-following-security-breach [15:47] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: eyerys.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.eyerys.com/articles/timeline/sophos-warns-customers-about-data-leak-following-security-breach https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.eyerys.com/articles/timeline/sophos-warns-customers-about-data-leak-following-security-breach [15:47] TR Bot Warns Customers About Data Leak Following A Security Breach | Eyerys [15:51] TR News WebKit frame delivery - ChrisLord.net https://www.chrislord.net/2022/04/19/webkit-frame-delivery/ Source: chrislord [15:51] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: chrislord.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.chrislord.net/2022/04/19/webkit-frame-delivery/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.chrislord.net/2022/04/19/webkit-frame-delivery/ [15:51] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.chrislord.net/2022/04/19/webkit-frame-delivery/ ) [15:53] TR News "These days, many C++ projects are built using build tools like cmake and meson in addition to GNU make (gmake). In this blog, I have already written on how to compile and run LibreOffice SDK examples using gmake." https://dev.blog.documentfoundation.org/2022/04/19/using-cmake-to-build-libreoffice-cpp-sdk-examples/ [15:53] TR Bot Using cmake to build LibreOffice C++ SDK examples - LibreOffice Development Blog [15:56] *zleap (~zleap@user/zleap) has joined #techrights ● Apr 19 [16:00] TR News CISA cannot be taken too seriously (NSA agenda) if it floats this clown computing lunacy; this is where spies are collecting a lot data. https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/18/cisa-releases-secure-cloud-business-applications-scuba-guidance [16:00] TR Bot CISA Releases Secure Cloud Business Applications (SCuBA) Guidance Documents for Public Comment | CISA [16:01] TR News Mourning Pedro Francisco [LWN.net] http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163891#comment-33391 [16:01] TR Bot The Free Software community mourns the loss of Pedro Francisco (MasGNULinux) | Tux Machines [16:02] TR News Wow. What a bunch of corporate corrupt shills https://www.computerweekly.com/feature/Positive-benefits-in-the-new-experience-economy disguised as experts. In reality professional CON MEN. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group [16:02] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: computerweekly.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.computerweekly.com/feature/Positive-benefits-in-the-new-experience-economy https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.computerweekly.com/feature/Positive-benefits-in-the-new-experience-economy [16:02] TR Bot Positive benefits in the new experience economy [16:02] TR Bot Gartner Group - Techrights [16:03] TR News 274: What Makes A Linux Distro Good For Beginners? - Destination Linux https://destinationlinux.org/episode-274/ Source: destinationlinux [16:03] TR Bot 274: What Makes A Linux Distro Good For Beginners? - Destination Linux [16:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@s44cwn8sugddy.irc) has joined #techrights [16:10] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 18.31 k/sec., IPFS upstream 44.91 average k/sec., average swarm size 257.13 [16:10] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 18.31 k/sec., IPFS upstream 44.91 average k/sec., average swarm size 257.13 [16:10] TR News Fedora and IBM/Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163902 [16:10] TR Bot Fedora and IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines [16:10] TR News Should I Switch from Windows to Linux OS? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163903 [16:10] TR Bot Should I Switch from Windows to Linux OS? | Tux Machines [16:11] TR News "LFNW hasn't been in person since the start of the pandemic. I don't think it was even held in 2020. Anyhoo, they played it safe for 2022... and put in a bit of effort with planning what will hopefully be a very successful virtual event for 2022... this weekend." http://www.montanalinux.org/lfnw-2022-virtual.html [16:11] TR Bot NorthWest VIRTUAL this weekend | www.montanalinux.org [16:13] TR News "This simple tutorial shows how to replace the default Snap Store (Ubuntu Software) with Gnome Software with Flatpak support in Ubuntu 22.04 LTS." https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/gnome-software-ubuntu-2204/ [16:13] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: ubuntuhandbook.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/gnome-software-ubuntu-2204/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/gnome-software-ubuntu-2204/ [16:13] TR Bot Install Gnome Software as Ubuntu Software with Flatpak Support in Ubuntu 22.04 | UbuntuHandbook [16:13] TR News Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt, and Bad Security Advice Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163904 [16:13] TR Bot Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt, and Bad Security Advice | Tux Machines [16:17] TR News Regarding TideLift, it's funded by 'former' Microsoft as the General Manager of General Gatalyst (Quentin Clark) [16:22] schestowitz 20 years at Microsoft, not behind tidelift https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/uncategorised/quentinclark/ [16:22] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: thetwentyminutevc.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/uncategorised/quentinclark/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.thetwentyminutevc.com/uncategorised/quentinclark/ [16:22] TR Bot 20VC: Lessons From Working with Bill Gates, How To Lead Without Authority and The Difference Between Leadership and Management & How Fundraising Changes In A COVID World with Quentin Clark, Managing Director @ General Catalyst - 20VC [16:27] TR News "There is significant commonality between the Tab 11 and Tab 10 as they both use Android 11. The Tab 10 has Blackviews Doke OS_P 1.0 on top of Android 11, whereas the Tab 11 has Doke OS_P 2.0 which has several additional features (split screen functionality, for example)." https://fitzcarraldoblog.wordpress.com/2022/04/19/blackview-tab-11-a-good-budget-tablet/ [16:27] TR Bot Blackview Tab 11, a good budget tablet | Fitzcarraldo's Blog [16:30] TR News 7 of the Best LaTeX Editors for Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163905 [16:30] TR Bot 7 of the Best LaTeX Editors for Linux | Tux Machines [16:33] TR News 10 Fun Games to Play in the Linux Terminal Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163906 [16:33] TR Bot 10 Fun Games to Play in the Linux Terminal | Tux Machines [16:39] TR News Firmware by default in Debian? Suggested by anti-RMS people. Maybe RMS wasn't their problem; maybe software freedom is something they don't agree with, so they go ad hominem [16:39] TR News Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163907 [16:39] TR Bot Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [16:43] TR News Links 19/04/2022: Debians Latest Firmware Debate; RIP, Pedro Francisco (MasGNULinux) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/19/rip-pedro-francisco-masgnulinux/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/19/rip-pedro-francisco-masgnulinux/ [16:43] TR Bot Links 19/04/2022: Debians Latest Firmware Debate; RIP, Pedro Francisco (MasGNULinux) | Techrights [16:44] TR News Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163908 [16:44] TR Bot today's leftovers | Tux Machines [16:51] *zleap has quit (Quit: Leaving) [16:54] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@idx2hgwaipuwq.irc) has joined #techrights [16:56] MinceR https://nitter.eu/pic/media%2FEB8kmtVUcAEz7AC.jpg%3Fname%3Dorig [16:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.25 k/sec., IPFS upstream 22.53 average k/sec., average swarm size 358.01 [16:59] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [16:59] *gooseheaded has quit (connection closed) [16:59] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@idx2hgwaipuwq.irc) has joined #techrights ● Apr 19 [17:01] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [17:03] *bnchs (~bnchs_@xt2erdtrfhfy4.irc) has joined #techrights [17:06] *bnchs has quit (Quit: Quit) [17:07] *bnchs (~bnchs@xt2erdtrfhfy4.irc) has joined #techrights [17:19] MinceR (cat) https://imgur.com/t/cats/RMQciWF [17:19] TR Bot is chaos including these memes I have to get off my phone #2 - Album on Imgur [17:19] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://imgur.com/t/cats/RMQciWF https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://imgur.com/t/cats/RMQciWF [17:23] *gooseheaded has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:48] *matey (~matey@u6tbsk2f5y7xa.irc) has joined #techrights [17:48] SomeH4x0r hi [17:51] matey hi [17:51] matey schestowitz-TR I didn't get the joke anyway, you left out the q and the plus <- they are implied. lg isnt inclusive enough because of bi-erasure and the lgb orgs selling out trans, when lgbt does too much to gloss over q+ issues then it wont be implied, it will be "necessary" (not sarcasm, just relative) [17:52] matey for example if youre looking for an lgbt org in the states to support, youre better off with pflag because of their record on trans representation [17:52] matey while theres another famous lgb org that is famous for selling them out, and theyre (probably) where all the terfs go, though im sure its not (strictly) a terf org [17:52] matey giving them money just says "sell out anyone who is trans, please" [17:53] matey of course i think all 501c3s sell people out eventually, but thats no reason to focus your support on the ones who do it first. if my only choices were to support osi or fsf it would still be fsf [17:54] matey the joke was about a quote about confucious who said "if the mat was not straight, the master would not sit" [17:54] matey and if its still not clear, explaining it wont help [17:55] matey also if your wife is chinese and she thinks your confucius jokes are funny, then you can get away with it [17:56] matey it wont help with a coc or the fake left, but theres no pleasing people on twitter anyway [17:58] MinceR http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/explodes-the-large-intestine.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2020/11/dont-believe-it-c4-yourself/ ) [17:58] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: engrish.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/explodes-the-large-intestine.jpg https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/explodes-the-large-intestine.jpg [17:58] TR Bot Dont believe it? C4 yourself. ● Apr 19 [18:06] matey the other thing thats arse backwards about a coc is that with its endless reach and scope, it practically says who youre allowed to speak to. of course this is in the enforcement, not the letter, but that doesnt mean its not implied or a logical outcome. zero tolerance policy is (by nature) difficult if not impossible to contain its own scope [18:06] matey and heres the big political problem with that [18:07] matey if its just about "events" as it starts out, whatever, right? but it goes farther. the scope "escapes" into the wild [18:07] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@apf382x4ci78a.irc) has joined #techrights [18:08] DaemonFC Okay, so I'm going to need to flush the coolant again. [18:08] DaemonFC GM has a TSB about this. [18:08] matey and then you know, it becomes a thought crime to talk to people, even/especially those you (passionately) disagree with [18:08] DaemonFC Old dirty DexCool can plug up the heater core. [18:08] DaemonFC Heater cores are expensive, so GM recommends trying a super coolant flush with Blue Devil first. [18:08] DaemonFC That's actually what they tell their dealers to use! [18:09] matey this drives wrongthink into more isolation, where it already has a cult-like nature [18:09] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@idx2hgwaipuwq.irc) has joined #techrights [18:09] DaemonFC Drain coolant, rinse, drain again, blue devil and water, run car for 4 hours with the heater on, and drain, fill and drain with water, then add 50/50 coolant. [18:09] matey without engaging with sanity, cults become even more dangerous and "potentially" violent [18:09] DaemonFC So I get to do that tomorrow. [18:10] matey so in the short run the coc keeps things "pure" but in the long run it guarantees bigger conflicts with extremists [18:10] matey it helps them recruit [18:11] matey cocs martyr people and the result is more cults of personality, even if theyre not violent ones [18:12] matey people think this is hyperbole, its not [18:12] matey school shooters are often motivated by suicide, they dont want to "go alone" [18:13] matey cocs pose a greater threat to people who already have angst and difficulties [18:13] matey than they do to those they claim to help us with [18:14] matey and above all they build a wall that dares the world to knock it down [18:14] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:14] matey whenever you build a wall like that, you create more people devoted to bringing it down [18:15] matey then idiots say "theyre motivated by hate" [18:15] matey some are, absolutely [18:15] matey more of them just fucking hate walls [18:16] matey not all walls, but the dumbest ones to be sure [18:16] matey walls between germany and east germany [18:16] matey walls between users and their computer [18:17] matey walls between friends who make their own rules (within reason, but some people are never happy) [18:17] matey and the defenders of such nonsense have to play stupid, because its the only way to get away with it [18:18] matey devils advocate as a service [18:18] matey we take two evils-- hate and stupidity [18:18] matey we ban one and allowlist the other, for the sake of keeping out the first one [18:19] matey so no hate is allowed (yet some at least is truly harmless!) but we will allow whatever amount of stupidity it takes to make it happen [18:19] *gooseheaded has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:19] *alextee (~alextee@dexiw29c8htcg.irc) has joined #techrights [18:19] matey but its a LOT of stupid. so much that only time will tell how much [18:20] matey it already destroyed the fsf, its just falling in slow motion [18:21] matey thats a lot of stupid. and the stupid will continue until society improves. [18:21] matey great plan [18:22] matey the people who say it will lead to stalinism are not only not exaggerating, and even right (maybe not for the right reasons, but correct nonetheless) but there are three (or more) examples from history, including stalinism itself [18:23] matey zero tolerance policy leads to idiocy and politics based around idiocy [18:23] matey politics based around idiocy and zero tolerance policy pave the way for leaders like stalin [18:23] matey this is what we learn from history [18:24] matey and you have people warning the world 100 years ago of the sort of shit we are seeing now, who were proven right by famines that killed millions [18:24] matey not that the coc will necessarily go that far of course [18:24] matey only that unchecked, it would [18:24] matey if it destroys free software and stops there, thats one thing i guess [18:24] *gde33 has quit (Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/) [18:25] matey still a huge problem [18:25] matey the thing is, theres no "wait and see" point where it becomes an idea that isnt stupid, destructive and even self-defeating [18:25] matey its a plan that looks like a good (to some people) and will let them and everyone else down [18:25] matey but who wants to learn from history. thats boring. [18:25] matey its more fun to be right. [18:27] matey zero tolerance demands megalomania [18:28] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@idx2hgwaipuwq.irc) has joined #techrights [18:28] matey and putting qualifiers in zero tolerance policy only guarantees that the qualifiers will be ignored or occasionally used in a biased way [18:29] matey if they actually worked as qualifiers, it wouldnt be zero tolerance policy. the only purpose they serve is to make it look like its not [18:29] matey you only have to wait a little while to see the qualifiers dont work [18:29] matey they were never part of the actual purpose of the thing, and they are rarely used [18:30] matey a bit like sunset policy on the pat-riot act [18:30] matey the purpose of the sunset policy isnt to limit the amount of time its on the books [18:31] matey the purpose of the sunset policy is to make people think its safe to rip human rights policies in two, because we have sticky tape and will mend the "real" rules in a few years, dont worry [18:31] matey we always keep our promises. just ask the native americans. [18:32] matey native americans werent willing to abide by our reasonable and agreed upon community standards. so we just "showed them the door" as randall put it. [18:33] matey with africans it wasnt their fault they were on the land in the first place, but they COULDNT (it wasnt within their natural capabilities) to follow reasonable community standards [18:33] matey so we kept them away from a free society from the beginning. [18:34] matey the first time, with native americans, it was a fiction-- the community standards were a farce. [18:34] matey the second time, with africans, it was a fiction-- the standards of a "polite society" were a farce. it was as "polite" as regular beatings and human exploitation. [18:35] matey but the THIRD TIME, with the coc, the standards are REAL. NON-fiction. [18:35] *gooseheaded has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:35] matey THIS TIME, we have a damned good reason. [18:35] matey so of course it will work out. [18:35] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@idx2hgwaipuwq.irc) has joined #techrights [18:35] matey its NOT built on pure hypocrisy and self-serving biases. [18:35] matey so be happy for that. its mandatory [18:36] matey (dfcs husband is conservative, but if he were british he would be mandytory) [18:37] *gooseheaded has quit (Quit: A Book which I am writing, and would love to share: https://executingreality.com/pdfs/TheNOTES/NOTES.pdf) [18:38] matey polite society lynches people. people who dont follow "community standards" get lynched [18:38] matey its a perfect system. [18:40] matey when people from the south talk about how it used to be, they wax romantic about it, its disgusting [18:40] matey they talk about how GENTEEL and POLITE it was [18:40] matey full of grace! [18:41] matey when people talk about trying to destroy stallmans life and career with lies [18:41] matey they talk about how they admire him and like him [18:41] matey he just wasnt right for the job. great guy though [18:41] matey its just a bit different than what they said before. [18:41] matey but you know, water under the bridge. just like doctor doctor doctor stockholm syndrome says. [18:42] matey doctor separate but equal [18:42] matey forward, to stalinism! [18:43] matey "but you must admit dr stallman, it beats an ice pick anyday" [18:44] matey "well, i dont think all ice picks are the same. if the ice pick is running free software at least, thats more ethical than an ice pick running non-free software" [18:44] matey thats what i like about lieplanet [18:44] matey its an ice pick running only free software. the very best kind. [18:49] matey schestowitz-TR now I need to solve CAPTCHAs w3c!!! fucking w3c!! [18:49] matey the captchas rely on standards-compliance in your browser, roy [18:50] matey if your browser openly respects community standards, you shouldnt need to solve a captcha [18:50] matey enable your standard features and continue. happiness is mandatory. the w3c is mother. the w3c is father. [18:50] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@idx2hgwaipuwq.irc) has joined #techrights [18:50] matey js is standard, roy. why do you fight against standards? [18:51] matey standards exist for the good of everyone. [18:51] matey schestowitz-TR That's like the Olympic committee pushing mcdonalds and coca cola <- and fascism [18:51] matey but its the other way around, mcdonalds and coca cola promote the olympics [18:52] matey mcdonalds <3 olympians [18:52] matey and since mcdonalds is microsoft, and microsoft is bill gates [18:52] matey microsoft <3 olympics [18:53] matey microsoft <3 standards [18:53] matey ibm <3 community ● Apr 19 [19:12] *gooseheaded has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:13] *matey has quit (connection closed) [19:24] MinceR (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kADAHqaNRgw [19:24] TR Bot https://y.com.sb/watch?v=kADAHqaNRgw [19:24] TR Bot y.com.sb | The Tucker Testicle Tanner Is The Perfect Way To Re-Juice Your Carlsons - Invidious [19:24] *schestowitz-TR back [19:25] AdmFubar you were gone? [19:26] AdmFubar https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/04/a-year-after-apple-enforces-app-tracking-policy-covert-ios-tracking-remains/ [19:26] TR Bot Your iOS app may still be covertly tracking you, despite what Apple says | Ars Technica [19:26] schestowitz-TR no way! [19:26] schestowitz-TR "iphone is privacy!|!!" [19:27] schestowitz-TR the ads say so [19:28] MinceR lol [19:30] TR News "It's really great to see Gemini mentioned and noticed outside of the pubnix/tildeverse/gopherspace/circumlunar communities. It comes up on Hacker News and lobste.rs quite frequently these days, I've seen it mentioned on Hackaday too." gemini://thelambdalab.xyz/phlog/2021-10-07-Gemini-roots.txt [19:31] TR News Introversion classic Darwinia gets remastered with better Steam Deck support | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/introversion-classic-darwinia-gets-remastered-with-better-steam-deck-support/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games [19:31] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/introversion-classic-darwinia-gets-remastered-with-better-steam-deck-support/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/introversion-classic-darwinia-gets-remastered-with-better-steam-deck-support/ [19:31] TR Bot classic Darwinia gets remastered with better Steam Deck support | GamingOnLinux [19:32] SomeH4x0r 16 players (I did count by nicknames, may be less) did connect to UplinkIRC today [19:32] AdmFubar https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/github-notifies-owners-of-private-repos-stolen-using-oauth-tokens/ [19:32] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/github-notifies-owners-of-private-repos-stolen-using-oauth-tokens/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/github-notifies-owners-of-private-repos-stolen-using-oauth-tokens/ [19:32] TR Bot GitHub notifies owners of private repos stolen using OAuth tokens [19:33] TR News Wobbly Life looks like pure silly joy and it added Steam Deck support | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/wobbly-life-looks-like-pure-silly-joy-and-it-added-steam-deck-support/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games [19:33] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/wobbly-life-looks-like-pure-silly-joy-and-it-added-steam-deck-support/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/wobbly-life-looks-like-pure-silly-joy-and-it-added-steam-deck-support/ [19:33] TR Bot Life looks like pure silly joy and it added Steam Deck support | GamingOnLinux [19:33] SomeH4x0r however, fuck it. I seen no difference, but they overwritten the game on GOG afaik, so people might have lost GNU/Linux support and older hardware support if they auto-update [19:33] AdmFubar UEFI oopsie doodles https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/lenovo-uefi-firmware-driver-bugs-affect-over-100-laptop-models/ [19:33] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/lenovo-uefi-firmware-driver-bugs-affect-over-100-laptop-models/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/lenovo-uefi-firmware-driver-bugs-affect-over-100-laptop-models/ [19:33] TR Bot Lenovo UEFI firmware driver bugs affect over 100 laptop models [19:34] TR News "Hosted by Cristina Cochior, Karl Moubarak, Jara Rocha of The Cell for Digital Discomfort." https://www.fsf.org/events/libreplanet-workshop-april-25-installing-ourselves-into-libreplanet [19:34] TR Bot LibrePlanet workshop - April 25 - Installing Ourselves into LibrePlanet Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [19:35] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:36] TR News Volla Phone 22 runs Ubuntu Touch or a privacy-focused Android fork... or both (crowdfunding) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163909 [19:36] TR Bot Volla Phone 22 runs Ubuntu Touch or a privacy-focused Android fork... or both (crowdfunding) | Tux Machines [19:36] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #techrights [19:37] TR News Switch to these open source apps if youre stuck on Windows or Mac OS! - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=uundIaRNJ6A Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia [19:37] TR Bot Switch to these open source apps if you're stuck on Windows or Mac OS! - Invidious [19:38] TR News "In this video, I am going to show an overview of Ubuntu Budgie 22.04 LTS and some of the applications pre-installed." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJKMx1c_Wpc [19:38] TR Bot https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=cJKMx1c_Wpc [19:38] TR Bot invidious.esmailelbob.xyz | Ubuntu Budgie 22.04 LTS overview | Embrace the change - Invidious [19:39] TR News Mourning Pedro Francisco Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163910 [19:39] TR Bot Mourning Pedro Francisco | Tux Machines [19:46] AdmFubar You are a robot aren't you? https://www.databreaches.net/web-scraping-is-legal-us-appeals-court-reaffirms/ [19:46] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: databreaches.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.databreaches.net/web-scraping-is-legal-us-appeals-court-reaffirms/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.databreaches.net/web-scraping-is-legal-us-appeals-court-reaffirms/ [19:46] TR Bot Web scraping is legal, US appeals court reaffirms [19:49] TR News With Fedora 36, there might be a new gold standard for Linux distributions Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163911 [19:49] TR Bot With Fedora 36, there might be a new gold standard for Linux distributions | Tux Machines [19:51] schestowitz-TR AdmFubar: I guess it depends on reason and amount [19:51] schestowitz-TR rationalising it is usually not hard [19:51] schestowitz-TR and if it's paced down, it's not DDOS [19:51] schestowitz-TR that's just what the web does -- it serves pages [19:51] DaemonFC Okay, I just went over the entire car twice with no water car wash and some microfiber towels. [19:51] DaemonFC Very shiny. [19:51] schestowitz-TR Microsoft fought AGAINST it [19:51] DaemonFC I did a once over on the Impala too and got the bird shit and stuff off. [19:52] schestowitz-TR so you fell in love again [19:52] schestowitz-TR not the bird shit [19:52] schestowitz-TR the car [19:52] DaemonFC That stuff eats through car paint like battery acid because birds take a piss every time they shit. [19:52] DaemonFC I like this waterless wash stuff. [19:52] DaemonFC Much cheaper than going through the car wash every week. [19:53] DaemonFC And you save water and you'll do a better job because it's your car, and you don't need to worry about the rocks and shit from the truck in front of you scratching off all your finish. [19:53] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Yeah, I like the car. [19:53] DaemonFC I'm going to have them flush the coolant out again tomorrow. The first flush actually seems to have clogged up the heater core. [19:54] DaemonFC So GM says use Blue Devil on it and leave it running with the heater on for 4 hours and flush again. [19:54] TR News Severity 9.8. But the media will ignore it unless "LINUX" something (FUD opportunity) https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-21-119-04 [19:54] TR Bot Multiple RTOS (Update E) | CISA [19:54] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, You're supposed to flush the coolant every 5 years, but nobody does. [19:54] DaemonFC I've never come across a car before though where you go to flush it and it craps up the heater core. [19:55] DaemonFC It probably would have been a better idea to drain the radiator and the overflow tank out and just refill them with fresh coolant. [19:55] DaemonFC Do it again next year. [19:55] DaemonFC But...meh. [19:55] DaemonFC Live and learn I guess. [19:56] TR News Advance your penetration testing skills by mastering Kali Linux - Help Net Security https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/04/15/penetration-testing-mastering-kali-linux-video/ Source: helpnetsecurity [19:56] TR Bot Advance your penetration testing skills by mastering Kali Linux - Help Net Security [19:56] DaemonFC bbiab [19:57] TR News Low attack complexity/exploitable remotely https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-109-02 [19:57] TR Bot Automated Logic WebCTRL | CISA [19:58] TR News Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163912 [19:58] TR Bot Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:58] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Apr 19 [20:00] TR News Gulag posing as security firm (while spying for the NSA, FBI etc.) https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2022/04/the-more-you-know-more-you-know-you.html [20:00] TR Bot Project Zero: The More You Know, The More You Know You Dont Know [20:04] TR News Sanctions & the End of a Financial Era with John Titus https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/04/podcasts/sanctions-the-end-of-a-financial-era-with-john-titus-2/ [20:04] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: unlimitedhangout.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/04/podcasts/sanctions-the-end-of-a-financial-era-with-john-titus-2/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/04/podcasts/sanctions-the-end-of-a-financial-era-with-john-titus-2/ [20:04] TR Bot Sanctions & the End of a Financial Era with John Titus [20:05] TR News This chocolate bunny screams when its eaten | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/19/this-chocolate-bunny-screams-when-its-eaten/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking [20:05] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: arduino.cc | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/19/this-chocolate-bunny-screams-when-its-eaten/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/19/this-chocolate-bunny-screams-when-its-eaten/ [20:05] TR Bot This chocolate bunny screams when it's eaten | Arduino Blog [20:05] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163913 [20:05] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [20:09] TR News WordPress 6.0 Beta 2 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163914 [20:09] TR Bot WordPress 6.0 Beta 2 | Tux Machines [20:10] *bnchs__ (~bnchs@7jtdtx5bfxrng.irc) has joined #techrights [20:10] AdmFubar this id system certainly has its flaws [20:10] AdmFubar https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/check-the-number-of-sim-cards-issued-on-your-aadhaar-number-with-these-simple-steps-10573921.html [20:10] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: firstpost.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/check-the-number-of-sim-cards-issued-on-your-aadhaar-number-with-these-simple-steps-10573921.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/check-the-number-of-sim-cards-issued-on-your-aadhaar-number-with-these-simple-steps-10573921.html [20:10] TR Bot the number of SIM cards issued on your Aadhaar number with these simple steps- Technology News, Firstpost [20:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@s44cwn8sugddy.irc) has joined #techrights [20:10] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.61 k/sec., IPFS upstream 36.48 average k/sec., average swarm size 331.98 [20:11] AdmFubar https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/explained-why-windows-11-failed-to-take-off-like-windows-7-and-10-10569611.html [20:11] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: firstpost.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/explained-why-windows-11-failed-to-take-off-like-windows-7-and-10-10569611.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/explained-why-windows-11-failed-to-take-off-like-windows-7-and-10-10569611.html [20:11] TR Bot Why Windows 11 Failed To Take Off Like Windows 7 and 10- Technology News, Firstpost [20:11] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:17] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/22041619 [20:17] TR Bot IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/9hbt8dzg0nt81.jpg created on 2022-04-16 07:03:38.587988 [20:23] AdmFubar this is not a pregnant man... he has a beer gut! (why have a 6 pack when you can have a whole barrel?) https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/apple-releases-pregnant-man-other-gender-neutral-emojis-twitter-schools-them-in-biology-10572021.html [20:23] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: firstpost.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/apple-releases-pregnant-man-other-gender-neutral-emojis-twitter-schools-them-in-biology-10572021.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/apple-releases-pregnant-man-other-gender-neutral-emojis-twitter-schools-them-in-biology-10572021.html [20:23] TR Bot Releases A Pregnant Man & Other Gender-Neutral Emojis, Twitter Schools Them In Biology- Technology News, Firstpost [20:24] MinceR "Can u get pregante?" [20:24] schestowitz-TR Monty Python: I'm pregnant! and so is my wife! [20:25] MinceR :> [20:25] schestowitz-TR anyway, this is troll dynamite [20:25] schestowitz-TR no wonder they mention the twitter circus [20:25] schestowitz-TR Musk Social [20:25] schestowitz-TR I'd rather focus on 2 videos I'm about to record [20:25] schestowitz-TR one is about Debian and firmware [20:25] schestowitz-TR the other will be tidelift [20:26] schestowitz-TR Ubuntu will have an LTS soon [20:26] schestowitz-TR but it doesn't look like many people care [20:27] TR News Exploitable remotely/low attack complexity https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-109-03 [20:27] TR Bot FANUC ROBOGUIDE Simulation Platform | CISA [20:27] *acer-box has quit (Connection closed) [20:27] *schestowitz-TR has quit (connection closed) [20:28] TR News "Folder".... "SYSTEM level privileges access"... yes, we're talking about Windows again, but NSA and CISA won't name that in a negative context. They want back-doored POS universally deployed. [20:28] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@s44cwn8sugddy.irc) has joined #techrights [20:28] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [20:33] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@96w46fyzf6b2u.irc) has joined #techrights [20:33] TR News Severity: 9.8. "COMPANY HEADQUARTERS LOCATION: Russia" (so US espionage agencies now care about Russian holes?) https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-109-04 [20:33] TR Bot Elcomplus SmartPPT SCADA | CISA [20:34] TR News Why JavaScript is a POS from a security POV. https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-109-05 [20:34] TR Bot Elcomplus SmartPPT SCADA Server | CISA [20:35] TR News [PATCH 0/2] drm/nvdla: Add driver support for NVDLA - Cai Huoqing https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220419135908.39606-1-cai.huoqing@linux.dev/ Source: linux [20:35] TR Bot [PATCH 0/2] drm/nvdla: Add driver support for NVDLA - Cai Huoqing [20:36] TR News "Imposter syndrome is an insidious problem within software communities. Many of us, especially members of marginalized communities, struggle to shake the feeling that we aren't as qualified as our peers. This makes us feel unqualified and undeserving compared to those around us." https://blog.rust-lang.org/inside-rust/2022/04/19/imposter-syndrome.html [20:36] TR Bot Imposter Syndrome | Inside Rust Blog [20:36] schestowitz Ariadne: https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/19/this-chocolate-bunny-screams-when-its-eaten/ [20:36] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: arduino.cc | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/19/this-chocolate-bunny-screams-when-its-eaten/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/19/this-chocolate-bunny-screams-when-its-eaten/ [20:36] TR Bot This chocolate bunny screams when it's eaten | Arduino Blog [20:37] TR News Bottles - Run Windows software on Linux with Bottles | Linux.org https://www.linux.org/threads/bottles-run-windows-software-on-linux-with-bottles.39294/ Source: linux [20:37] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: linux.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.linux.org/threads/bottles-run-windows-software-on-linux-with-bottles.39294/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.linux.org/threads/bottles-run-windows-software-on-linux-with-bottles.39294/ [20:37] TR Bot - Run Windows software on Linux with Bottles | Linux.org [20:39] TR News Coming of Age: Desktop Organization with Plasma Activities Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163915 [20:39] TR Bot Coming of Age: Desktop Organization with Plasma Activities | Tux Machines [20:40] *koo5_ (~quassel@51.140.155.227) has joined #techrights [20:41] TR News The LF "diploma mill" adds new "products" https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/tars-certification-testing-microservices-expertise-now-available-301528288.html see http://techrights.org/2021/09/23/lf-diploma-mill-and-narrative-control-by-fake-research/ [20:41] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: prnewswire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/tars-certification-testing-microservices-expertise-now-available-301528288.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/tars-certification-testing-microservices-expertise-now-available-301528288.html [20:41] TR Bot TARS Certification Testing Microservices Expertise Now Available [20:41] TR Bot Linux Foundation and Other Diploma Mills Say Theres Demand for Their Products in Their New Research (Marketing) | Techrights [20:42] TR News Welcome Node.js 18 https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/welcome-nodejs-18 Red Hat | ICBM on BloatJS [20:42] TR Bot Welcome Node.js 18 [20:42] TR News More BuzzwordOps https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/argocd-and-gitops-whats-next [20:42] TR Bot ArgoCD and GitOps: Whats next? [20:46] TR News Paradox announce Crusader Kings III: Fate of Iberia and Surviving Mars Content Packs | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/paradox-announce-crusader-kings-iii-fate-of-iberia-and-surviving-mars-content-packs/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games [20:46] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/paradox-announce-crusader-kings-iii-fate-of-iberia-and-surviving-mars-content-packs/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/paradox-announce-crusader-kings-iii-fate-of-iberia-and-surviving-mars-content-packs/ [20:46] TR Bot announce Crusader Kings III: Fate of Iberia and Surviving Mars Content Packs | GamingOnLinux [20:50] TR News WTH is the point of "Open Source" whose whole purpose is advancing proprietary software of criminals (Microsoft)? https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/minecraft-launcher-polymc-120-out-now-supporting-the-quilt-loader/ [20:50] -AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/minecraft-launcher-polymc-120-out-now-supporting-the-quilt-loader/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/minecraft-launcher-polymc-120-out-now-supporting-the-quilt-loader/ [20:50] TR Bot launcher PolyMC 1.2.0 out now supporting the Quilt loader | GamingOnLinux [20:50] TR News Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163916 [20:50] TR Bot Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [20:51] TR News Games: Wobbly Life, Darwinia, Crusader Kings III, and Bottles Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163917 [20:51] TR Bot Games: Wobbly Life, Darwinia, Crusader Kings III, and Bottles | Tux Machines [20:57] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@idx2hgwaipuwq.irc) has joined #techrights [20:57] *gooseheaded has quit (Quit: A Book which I am writing, and would love to share: https://executingreality.com/pdfs/TheNOTES/NOTES.pdf) [20:57] DaemonFC I may get a five gallon drum of waterless car wash concentrate. [20:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 44.01 k/sec., IPFS upstream 37.35 average k/sec., average swarm size 313.33 ● Apr 19 [21:13] AdmFubar https://www.maketecheasier.com/brata-malware/ [21:13] TR Bot Brata Malware Steals Your Money, then Activates Kill Switch - Make Tech Easier [21:40] TR News Not updated in almost a week!! Our regime does not want to share data on COVID-19 with us, it's just not a priority because of holidays as if the virus takes a "break" https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=overview&areaName=United%20Kingdom [21:40] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=overview&areaName=United%20Kingdom ) [21:41] TR News British government is "not available" "not available" "not available" "not available" when it comes to COVID-19 https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=overview&areaName=United%20Kingdom they use the graphs to present the LACK of data as a "decline" [21:41] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=overview&areaName=United%20Kingdom ) [21:44] *u-amarsh04 has quit (connection closed) [21:46] *alextee has quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:47] activelow GNOME/GTK are a prime example, how cmake and c++ poisoned the depedency graph [21:53] MinceR gnome and gtk have bigger problems than c++ [21:53] MinceR like systemd, udisks and dbugs [21:54] activelow systemd/dbus/... are solved [21:55] MinceR not in gnome [21:55] MinceR and neither is the fact that they betrayed gimp [21:56] activelow yes, i only try to keep GTK2/3, gnome is hopeless [21:58] MinceR and you don't mind having half a window manager in gtk3? [21:59] activelow gtk2/3 aren't a window manager, gtk is a widget toolkit [21:59] activelow and i found a suitable window manager, which doesn't depend on anything such as cmake,c++,systemd/dbus ● Apr 19 [22:01] MinceR gtk3 has half a window manager in it so that it can support CSD [22:01] activelow csd? [22:01] MinceR client side decorations [22:01] MinceR Qt has another half for the same reason [22:02] *tpmd (~tpm@dnqp5euy36v3k.irc) has left #techrights [22:02] activelow the only reason, currently, i am trying to keep GTK2/3, is netsurf browser [22:03] activelow and it was a challenge too, finding a suitable terminal-emulator for x11, which is clean [22:03] MinceR afaict all terminal emulators are garbage [22:04] MinceR the one i'm using right now leaves blue pixels on my trackbar from time to time [22:04] activelow xterm was OK, yet cannot use it anymore because it didn't support legacy BSD pty anymore last time i tried [22:04] MinceR xterm hurts my eyes [22:07] activelow thing is, GTK2/3 developers knew what they were doing, to implement it in C, not c++; [22:07] activelow now, harfbuzz dependency attached, and freaks out [22:07] MinceR yeah, it was pure genius to reimplement OOP in C [22:08] MinceR not wasted effort and not bug-prone at all [22:08] activelow other ones are ICU library, cmake [22:08] activelow i don't recall GTK2/3 reporting many bugs, related to choice of C language [22:08] MinceR if only the people who came up with C++ had known that the right way to implement the things they wanted was to hack them up in a library for C [22:09] activelow glib iirc [22:09] MinceR gobject [22:10] activelow anyway, harfbuzz 2.7 is implemented in C++; either i can remove it, or downgrade to an earlier version without c++, or GTK3 is gone [22:11] schestowitz-TR xterm is not just ugly, MinceR [22:12] schestowitz-TR there are many purely practical limitations in it [22:12] schestowitz-TR and each time I 'mistakenly' start xterm I sooner or later recall why it's an accident [22:12] schestowitz-TR or mistake to start it [22:12] schestowitz-TR some very basic functionality is absent [22:12] schestowitz-TR not visual stuff [22:13] activelow if xterm is configured with a decent font and color scheme it is good, same with rxvt [22:13] activelow yet, those are configured with xresources, not gtk/qt [22:13] schestowitz-TR but it's not about fonts [22:13] activelow fonts, unicode, termcaps, i didn't have problems with xterm, which couldn't be solved [22:14] activelow and, xterm is fast, with async scrolling [22:15] TR News "I've been a big fan of ferdi for a very long time it's a great open source project but out of seemingly nowhere the project, the twitter, website, github and everything else completely vanished along with the open collective being archived." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmmj5JDRCUg [22:15] TR Bot https://youtube.076.ne.jp/watch?v=Bmmj5JDRCUg [22:15] TR Bot youtube.076.ne.jp | My Favourite Open Source Project Just Vanished? - Invidious [22:17] TR News New GNU/Linux and Free Software Videos Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163918 [22:17] TR Bot New GNU/Linux and Free Software Videos | Tux Machines [22:17] MinceR xterm can't even see decent fonts [22:18] MinceR and if rxvt is anything like urxvt, then it's slow as molasses [22:18] TR News 22718 Microsoft / Windows / Microsoft Windows Print Spooler Privilege Escalation Vulnerability https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/04/19/cisa-adds-three-known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog [22:18] TR Bot CISA Adds Three Known Exploited Vulnerabilities to Catalog | CISA [22:19] activelow both urxvt and xterm were fast and stable here; if they're slow, then it is probably not xterm or urxvt at fault [22:20] activelow for example, i chose the fbdev xorg video output, which is much faster, independent from the terminal emulator [22:21] activelow with fbdev, if the kernel framebuffer device driver is fast, which it is, then xterm or urxvt are too [22:21] activelow currently, i prefer urxvt, because with it legacy BSD pty support remained [22:23] activelow anyway, the problem is GTK3, and harfbuzz [22:26] MinceR "here" is probably a lot faster than an rpi1 so you can't really see how glacially slow urxvt is [22:26] MinceR libvte and konsole were both far faster [22:29] activelow cortex a53, no opengl, raw framebuffer xorg/fbdev [22:30] activelow ironically, with the modesetting/opengl support active, xterm was slower on this device, than 2d-only/fbdev without any "acceleration" [22:30] activelow i don't think it is xterm at fault, xterm was used on humble device with far less RAM; the RPI1 is a relatively powerful device already [22:31] activelow whatever the problem was, it probably wasn't xterm nor the RPI1 at fault [22:34] activelow anyway, GTK3, demands harfbuzz, and there isn't any harfbuzz version implemented in C; next i'll try to remove harfbuzz dependency from GTK3 [22:34] activelow if this is not possible, then GTK3 is dead [22:34] activelow it cannot remain inside base system then [22:37] *ziraffep has quit (Quit) [22:39] activelow gtk->pango->harfbuzz [22:43] activelow that's the irony, GTK developers implemented gobject to avoid c++, and then harfbuzz locked in written in c++ [22:48] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:49] DaemonFC https://www.tsbsearch.com/Chevrolet/PIT5818 [22:49] TR Bot PIT5818 Chevrolet Technical Service Bulletin [22:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.53 k/sec., IPFS upstream 46.68 average k/sec., average swarm size 335.28 ● Apr 19 [23:08] DaemonFC https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/illinois-drops-mask-mandate-to-align-with-court-ruling/ [23:08] TR Bot Illinois drops mask mandate to align with court ruling | WGN-TV [23:08] DaemonFC I replied: And just before the election, the Democrats saw the polls and it went away, and here's $50 from Prickster, and we'll "freeze" the gas tax until exactly after the election is over, and whatever you need for the next few months. Yeah sure you betcha snookums." [23:09] *AltLink_97e has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:10] DaemonFC https://wgntv.com/news/south-carolina-inmate-picks-firing-squad-over-electric-chair-2/ [23:10] TR Bot South Carolina inmate picks firing squad over electric chair | WGN-TV [23:10] DaemonFC I replied: He shot his victim, he doesn't even deny it. The injustice is that it took 23 years for him to die the same way when it should have happened in 1999 in the convenience store, while the clerk went home to his family. [23:12] schestowitz-TR going out with a bang [23:12] schestowitz-TR leaving more impact, too [23:12] schestowitz-TR being one of the first in a long time [23:12] schestowitz-TR "Fame at last!" [23:15] *AltLink_97e (~AltLink_97e@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #techrights [23:18] *Skywave has quit (connection closed) [23:19] TR News Debian GNU/Linux Means Free as in Freedom, But the Firmware Question Remains Relevant | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/19/proprietary-firmware-debian/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/19/proprietary-firmware-debian/ [23:19] TR Bot Debian GNU/Linux Means Free as in Freedom, But the Firmware Question Remains Relevant | Techrights [23:19] *Skywave (~SkywaveC3@5adyqrxsr3hiq.irc) has joined #techrights [23:24] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I was reading about the GM Iron Duke Inline 4 earlier. [23:24] DaemonFC They should have just kept making those. [23:25] DaemonFC But that's what a company that wants you to have a trouble free car for a while would do. [23:25] DaemonFC Apparently some of them were performance models with 3 liters of displacement, making them comparable in performance to a small V6. [23:26] DaemonFC There's really no point making a V6 that has less than about 2.8 liters of displacement, so when I saw that GM had a 3 liter Iron Duke, that interested me. [23:30] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:31] TR News LibrePlanet workshop - May 16 - Software localization (translation) of web-based project https://www.fsf.org/events/libreplanet-workshop-may-16-software-localization-translation-of-web-based-projects [23:31] TR Bot LibrePlanet workshop - May 16 - Software localization (translation) of web-based projects Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [23:34] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, If this was green coolant and not orange, the entire system would be corroded to the point of the car not even working anymore. [23:34] DaemonFC Which is a big reason why they switched to orange. [23:40] TR News Tidelift is Connected to Microsoft and It Does Not Spread a Positive Message for the Free/Open Source Community | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/19/tidelift-concern-troll/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/19/tidelift-concern-troll/ [23:40] TR Bot Tidelift is Connected to Microsoft and It Does Not Spread a Positive Message for the Free/Open Source Community | Techrights [23:42] activelow it is font-rendering library harfbuzz which terminated GTK2/3 support without c++ [23:43] activelow which is irritating, because font-rendering otherwise is available, including truetype for X11, however that's not good enough for GTK2/3 anymore, which insists on pango/harfbuzz [23:44] activelow at least i know, who and what the trouble source is: harfbuzz [23:45] activelow facebook, google, red hat, gnome [23:47] activelow and it is noteworthy, because harfbuzz being implemented with c++ is inconsistent with GTK and gobject [23:47] activelow if at least harfbuzz was _optional_, it isn't, this was drilled as a coffin nail into GTK [23:48] activelow long before systemd/dbus, which are optional, this could be removed from GTK, harfbuzz cannot without re-implementing this [23:48] TR News Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163919 [23:48] TR Bot Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [23:52] activelow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behdad_Esfahbod [23:52] TR Bot Behdad Esfahbod - Wikipedia [23:52] activelow Seyed Behdad Esfahbod MirHosseinZadeh Sarabi [23:52] activelow he has led are the Cairo, fontconfig, HarfBuzz, and Pango libraries [23:52] activelow was arrested by the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps intelligence [23:52] activelow Iranian security forces let him go based on his promise to spy on his friends once he was back in the United States [23:52] DaemonFC https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/ctd/d/kokomo-2005-ford-crown-victoria-standard/7472863898.html [23:52] TR Bot 2005 Ford Crown Victoria Standard - cars & trucks - by dealer -... [23:54] DaemonFC https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/ctd/d/churubusco-sporty-luxury-2004-mercedes/7472055022.html [23:54] TR Bot SPORTY LUXURY!! 2004 MERCEDES-BENZ S500 4MATIC ALL WHEEL DRIVE!! -... [23:54] DaemonFC Mercedes is at least better than BMW if you have to have a German luxury car. [23:54] activelow long story short: GTK will be removed from the base system, once and for all; the pango/harfbuzz/c++ dependency chain is unacceptable [23:55] activelow besides, farsi and arab font rendering aren't particularly important, and were available without harfbuzz before [23:55] *matey (~matey@hbb3pgaksxfbq.irc) has joined #techrights [23:55] SomeH4x0r hi [23:56] schestowitz-TR 0/ [23:56] schestowitz-TR hello all, shop closed ;p [23:56] SomeH4x0r matey: can't remember if you were here when I said it, UplinkIRC had a lot of strangers today, though not really useful anyway. [23:57] matey okay [23:57] matey i saw your friend by the way [23:57] matey borto [23:57] matey activelow long story short: GTK will be removed from the base system \o/ [23:58] matey bye, gtk [23:58] SomeH4x0r yes, they appeared once, and today they didn't appear anywhere [23:58] matey i havent paid any attention to borto yet, but i noticed he was here and i didnt ignore him [23:58] matey if he comes back ill probably notice [23:58] matey i dont know him you know [23:59] activelow matey: it is even more interesting _why_ it must be removed [23:59] activelow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behdad_Esfahbod [23:59] TR Bot Behdad Esfahbod - Wikipedia [23:59] matey activelow which is irritating, because font-rendering otherwise is available, including truetype for X11, however that's not good enough for GTK2/3 anymore, which insists on pango/harfbuzz <- ive been whinging about harfbuzz for a year