●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, June 19, 2021 ●● ● Jun 19 [00:00] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:00] DaemonFC Let's see if that fixes it. I think sleeping apps was doing this. [00:02] schestowitz freenode is FOSS :-) [00:02] schestowitz F-line [00:02] schestowitz "THIS IS FINE!" [00:03] XRevan86 I like how the former staff gave rasengan control over freenode as-is, and he still wiped it. [00:03] techrights-bot/fn Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152444 [00:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [00:05] DaemonFC schestowitz, Linux maintainers be like "Reiser4: Not going in without a major corporation backing it!" also Linux maintainers "UMN patches: This is fine!". [00:06] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (connection closed) [00:06] schestowitz because you can hold the institution accountable [00:06] schestowitz and eventually they did [00:06] immibis linux maintainers were not "this is fine!". They banned them from submitting any more patches [00:06] schestowitz but they paid a price for it [00:06] DaemonFC This is scary. Like, honestly, Microsoft might have better code review for what ends up in Windows at this point. [00:06] immibis microsoft reviews the backdoors are working properly [00:06] DaemonFC The problem is that with these fucknuts who are reviewing code, they're still there. [00:06] DaemonFC You want to get broken code approved, just do it from someplace else. [00:06] schestowitz they did catch this at the end [00:07] DaemonFC You'll get so much of it in that by the time they realize what you did they'll have to stop and look at it for another month. [00:08] DaemonFC Is there any guarantee that Microsoft won't slip moles into the University of Wisconsin or something next time? [00:08] DaemonFC How much of a coup would it be to embarrass Linux like this again? [00:08] activelow dirty cow wasn't a coincidence either [00:09] DaemonFC Microsoft is working the problem from both ends. [00:09] DaemonFC "We're compatible with Linux so you really don't need Linux." and "Linux is full of junk from god knows where. This was even sabotaged on purpose and they didn't notice. Do you want to depend on that?". [00:10] activelow which is a valid concern. [00:10] DaemonFC The UMN people didn't actually even put forth a method to provoke the problem that they said their patches would fix. [00:11] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@h7cnw5eezgkuu.irc) has joined #techrights [00:11] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (connection closed) [00:12] activelow the problem is more fundemental than an individual incident, which is code size and complexity of a critical component such as kernel (and compiler) and the amount of (mostly unnecessary) contributions [00:14] immibis DaemonFC: "... and we also pulled in all that junk without reviewing it" [00:16] DaemonFC One thing Linux maintainers should do is bump the minimum GCC version required to build it. [00:16] DaemonFC Having to support so many old compilers with bug workarounds is a major problem. [00:17] DaemonFC I think you can build it with GCC 4.8, which is just stupid old at this point. [00:17] *bonzybuddy has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:17] DaemonFC And the FSF doesn't even support that. [00:17] schestowitz https://twitter.com/Reglue/status/1405683376737169408 [00:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Reglue: @schestowitz Roy, I was admitted to the ICU with severe sepsis and pneumonia and was applauded by the entire staff https://t.co/NUv6HdxNRc [00:17] schestowitz " [00:17] schestowitz Roy, I was admitted to the ICU with severe sepsis and pneumonia and was applauded by the entire staff when I walked out 5 weeks later. I wasn't expected to live. This was in Jan 2020. [00:17] schestowitz 4 weeks later was informed I had COVID. antibiotics saved my life. [00:17] schestowitz " [00:17] schestowitz https://twitter.com/EmiHermes/status/1405555931602116608 [00:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@EmiHermes: Raspberry PI [17/06/2021] Retwitted [17/06/2021] #RaspberryPI #EmiHermesBot https://t.co/ZpBTKVVKfb [00:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "The #RasPad 3 is a neat project that enables you to turn your Raspberry Pi 4 into a full tablet! In this video, I' https://t.co/2fKbuYCkBo [00:18] activelow and the compiler itself has become a major problem (both gcc and clang), last time someone verified an alternative was kernel 2.6 with tinycc [00:19] schestowitz seems I have just gone 'viral' in birdsite [00:20] schestowitz because the ant-abortion extremists now hate me [00:20] schestowitz good [00:22] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@h7cnw5eezgkuu.irc) has joined #techrights [00:22] DaemonFC Many Republicans used to support abortion because they knew full well what the alternative was. [00:22] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (connection closed) [00:23] DaemonFC Now they say "Most of the people aborted would have been black. Are you a racist?". [00:23] DaemonFC Maybe I'll start replying, "Good, we'll send them all to live with you then.". [00:23] schestowitz birdsite is so weird in the sense of groupthink and cult [00:23] schestowitz they find something to get angry about [00:23] schestowitz and then a groupthink 'mob' gets angry together [00:23] DaemonFC I don't see what the problem is there. Everyone's happy, right? [00:23] schestowitz in this case against pro-choice people [00:24] DaemonFC They can have constant street warfare and garbage everywhere and their towns decaying into rubble and bricks. [00:24] schestowitz I finish work in a bit... gonna get some coffee [00:24] DaemonFC A generation later, the Democrats take over and raise their taxes and make abortion legal again anyway. [00:25] schestowitz should make popcarn too, seeing how many replies I receive from very aggressive people [00:25] MinceR well, those who aren't happy there get shadowbanned [00:25] MinceR and so the mob is trained, directed [00:25] MinceR for example to attack bill gates' critics [00:27] schestowitz buzzword and buzzword :-) : https://www.noobslab.com/2021/06/the-relationship-between-devops-and.html [00:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Relationship Between DevOps and the Cloud [And How to Benefit From It] - NoobsLab | Eye on Digital World [00:28] schestowitz MinceR: I try not to waste a moment on that dumb site [00:28] schestowitz I just check the replies quickly every 1-2 days [00:28] schestowitz without ever replying to any [00:28] schestowitz usually takes 1-2 minutes depending on how many replies [00:28] DaemonFC mjg59 knows exactly where to live. [00:28] schestowitz it's a very dumb site with groupthink of the lowest common denominator [00:29] DaemonFC I love paying $3,500 a month to live in a garage and step in shit every day while I work at Apple, said nobody ever. [00:30] DaemonFC Richard Stallman advocates banning pay toilets. It's because something like that passed in Chicago that you have to use a non-Free toilet finder app that was started as a joke. [00:30] activelow it isn't "cloud" but "distributed systems", it isn't "AI" but artificial neural perceptrons [00:30] schestowitz an adult live is about 50 years [00:30] schestowitz if you spend 30 years of that doing a horrible unfulfilling job [00:30] schestowitz then what? [00:31] schestowitz 20 years too elderly to enjoy the money [00:31] schestowitz and then you hit the bucket [00:32] activelow maybe i should have adapted my curriculum vitae to adapt a decade ago, an expert in cloud app ai devop instead of telco engineer to improve upon my job perspective [00:32] DaemonFC Apparently, Walmart fired a loss prevention guy for apprehending shoplifters. Unbelievable. [00:33] DaemonFC It's because of PC people like Garrett that we just have to toss our hands in the air and say "Fine, fuck it. Let 'em take whatever they want. Who cares what the rest of us have to pay to get stuff legally?" [00:34] DaemonFC mjg59 says on his shitter that Juneteenth has something to do with Emancipation of slaves. [00:35] DaemonFC Well, if you ignore that botched reconstruction and federal government lies meant another 100 years of indentured servitude and segregation laws under the Democratic Party, then sure. [00:35] DaemonFC Why not? [00:36] DaemonFC The rise of the Republican Party as what it is _now_ happened due to the Civil Rights Era. The "Segregation Forever!" Democrats started voting Republican when they realized that supporting a third party candidate was getting them nowhere. [00:37] DaemonFC The Republicans eventually picked up on that in exchange for several guaranteed states full of electoral votes. [00:37] DaemonFC Mostly the reason Mississippi is the poorest state in America though is that the Democrats passed a new state constitution as soon as they got control back from the military government, which was designed to keep industry and trade unions out. [00:38] DaemonFC The Democrats have indeed, historically, and in modern times too, been way worse for black people who try to work and earn an honest living than the Republicans have. [00:38] DaemonFC The Democrats throw welfare everywhere to get votes, the Republicans cut taxes. [00:39] DaemonFC The Democrats have no real need or want to live next to black people though. They would prefer that they go and live somewhere else, which is why the government of Chicago is pricing them out of their homes so they'll give up and leave the city. [00:39] activelow politcs are aligned to international agreements anyway, to protect 30% of earth surface and oceans and such [00:40] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@h7cnw5eezgkuu.irc) has joined #techrights [00:41] DaemonFC I sat down and did some rough estimations. Trump's tax law actually saves us about $1,700 over the course of this year vs. what we'd owe the federal government without it. [00:41] DaemonFC It mostly does that by enhancing our standard deduction and keeping us out of the next bracket, which we would fall into without it. [00:41] activelow trump had quit the "paris agreement" [00:42] DaemonFC The Democrats actually bashed a tax law that benefited working class families a lot by trying to pretend it wasn't much money. [00:42] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (connection closed) [00:42] activelow it certainly is alot of gallons of fuel in USA [00:43] DaemonFC There's parts of it that should be repealed, but repealing the parts that affect lower income people is going to be political suicide. [00:44] DaemonFC In many cases, the new setup protects all or at least most of their income from taxes, which does mean a lot if you're just eeking by. [00:47] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@h7cnw5eezgkuu.irc) has joined #techrights [00:48] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (connection closed) [00:48] techrights-bot/fn Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152447 [00:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [00:48] techrights-bot/fn #Proton 6.3-5 RC http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152446 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proton 6.3-5 RC | Tux Machines [00:48] techrights-bot/fn #Wine 6.11 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152445 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine 6.11 | Tux Machines [00:49] techrights-bot/fn #SnalLinux 1.5 is out https://sourceforge.net/projects/snallinux/ #gnu #linux distro by #jeremywakeman [00:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Snal Linux download | SourceForge.net [00:50] activelow next elections in germany are scheduled autumn this year [00:50] activelow national parliament and chancellor [00:51] schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Berlin-in-Winter [00:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Berlin in Winter [00:52] activelow i'll attack "alliance90/greens" and any affiliate (foreign agents, and any atlantik brck related) on every occasion, not because these supposedly took action to "save the planet" and "the humanity" [00:53] activelow i'll debunk this [00:54] MinceR "nie mehr CDU" [00:54] activelow this isn't party politics anyway, all relevant actors are associates of the "atlantik brck" anyway, regardless of their political color [00:55] activelow it isn't demcoratic elections either [00:55] techrights-bot/fn #WindRiver Linux updates with Linux LTS 5.10 and a prebuilt binary http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152448 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wind River Linux updates with Linux LTS 5.10 and a prebuilt binary | Tux Machines [00:56] activelow they argue on the basis 1.5C "paris agreement", i'll spread the wisdom temperature anomalies surpassed 10C already in germany [00:57] *DaemonFC_phone (~daemonfc@h7cnw5eezgkuu.irc) has joined #techrights [00:57] activelow they intend to raise "carbon tax" cash grabbing, i'll remind them methane concentration increased 300% already in the atmosphere [00:58] techrights-bot/fn Ben Cotton seems to be leading a community of just himself, #ibm staff, some interns, and barely any more volunteers (because #redhat isn't the same as IBM Red Hat) https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fridays-fedora-facts-2021-24/ [00:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | Friday's Fedora Facts: 2021-24 Fedora Community Blog [00:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 33.18 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.76 swarm size (avg): 283.33 ● Jun 19 [01:00] activelow those who had remained competitive with a low energy footprint had been excluded from international competition and their business ruined by the "energy revolution" subsidies scam [01:00] techrights-bot/fn #mozilla : let's use #proprietarySoftware for collab. #deletegithub (and now Zoom, Discord...) http://smallcultfollowing.com/babysteps/blog/2021/06/18/ctcft-social-hour/ [01:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-smallcultfollowing.com | CTCFT Social Hour [01:04] activelow big corporations are excempt from "eco tax" in germany, those can afford the high energy costs; they are not accounted for at all with the "renewable" market share [01:05] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:05] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:07] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [01:07] activelow "industrial electricity grid" is NOT included with the "renewable" accounting, all data published is falsified, the Merkel method 2+2=5. [01:08] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [01:11] activelow the renewable subsidies scam accounts for with ~1.5billion (US trillion) cash since 1998, effective "renewable" market share is close to below ~1% or less while 50% are advertised, most of it useless volatility dumped into the grid. the most excessive subsidies scam in German economic history. [01:12] *DaemonFC_phone has quit (connection closed) [01:13] DaemonFC Hey, you can pull the plug on Matthew Garrett's electricity if you want. He believes in this nonsense I'm sure. [01:14] DaemonFC It takes CO2 to complain on Shitter, I guess, right? [01:14] MinceR he keeps wasting our precious air on outragism [01:14] MinceR and he uses free software to attack free software [01:18] DaemonFC The latest alarmism is Lake Mead going dry. [01:19] immibis activelow just seems like an anti-government troll [01:19] DaemonFC Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that more people are using it than ever as a water source, and wasting it on top of that with impossibly cheap car washes and grass in the desert. [01:19] immibis whatever the government does, it's wrong, if you're activelow [01:19] immibis DaemonFC: surely using it as a water source makes it *worse* if it goes dry, right? [01:20] DaemonFC If the region agreed to raise the cost of a car wash by $15 with a water wasting tax, that would make a dent I'm sure. [01:20] DaemonFC How often do you need to wash your car, really, at a car wash, when there's never any winter salt on the road? [01:20] immibis It's because of PC people like Garrett that we just have to toss our hands in the air and say "Fine, fuck it. Let 'em take whatever they want. Who cares what the rest of us have to pay to get stuff legally?" [01:20] immibis why are you worried about defending a megacorp from petty thieves, when the megacorp doesn't want to defend itself? [01:20] immibis Defending Walmart from thieves is not your problem [01:21] DaemonFC Because Walmart turns it around and steals from its employees to cover the theft. [01:21] immibis they're allowed to choose not to apprehend thieves, if they don't want to [01:21] DaemonFC They take it out of bonuses that their employees get, and if that runs dry they start cutting payroll hours. [01:21] immibis they shouldn't be allowed to steal from employees, but I suspect Republicans worked hard to make it legal [01:21] DaemonFC It's not the fault of the employees that Walmart doesn't want to look bad apprehending a black guy making off with a TV set. [01:22] immibis Walmart choosing not to apprehend thieves, because it's more profitable to steal from workers instead, has *absolutely nothing* to do with PC culture [01:22] immibis and if you think it does then you're a sheeple [01:22] DaemonFC Mom asked why our Walmart is so expensive. [01:22] techrights-bot/fn Microsoft cannot maintain Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152391#comment-29986 [01:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft loves Linux so much that packages.microsoft.com has fallen and can't get up | Tux Machines [01:23] DaemonFC I said "A typical store in Indiana loses about half as much to theft for a given amount in sales because white people don't steal as much.". [01:24] DaemonFC "When you lose another $1.5 million to theft because there's a bunch of black people stealing things that everyone is afraid to stop due to optics, but you have to hire cops to stand at the door anyway just in case it averts any of the theft, there's a price for that.". [01:25] DaemonFC The truth is that many Walmarts will likely never go 24 hour again. They lose the most to theft at night, especially in urban areas, and the sales generated don't justify keeping the store open during many of those hours anyway. [01:25] DaemonFC So opening at 8 AM and closing at 11 PM is probably here to stay now that they realize the savings in both payroll and shrink. [01:26] DaemonFC Even though they teach employees that "customers are never in the way", the truth is they are. So even if they aren't stealing from you, and you're happy to have cashiers for not many customers, they interfere with stocking and cleaning operations and make that less efficient too. [01:26] techrights-bot/fn "It's time once again for The Weekender. This is our bi-weekly departure into the world of amateur radio contests, open source conventions, special events, listener challenges, hedonism and just plain fun." https://lhspodcast.info/2021/06/lhs-episode-416-the-weekender-lxxiii-2/ [01:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lhspodcast.info | LHS Episode #416: The Weekender LXXIII | Linux in the Ham Shack [01:28] DaemonFC The whole concept of customer service has been almost entirely gutted. [01:28] immibis as if their zillions of dollars in profit couldn't cover those theft costs. No, the prices are set as high as they can be before you'll go somewhere else [01:28] DaemonFC schestowitz noticed the same think happening in the UK. [01:28] immibis maximize revenue, minimize costs, theft is a cost but so is theft prevention. This is killing society [01:28] immibis capitalism, that is [01:28] techrights-bot/fn Linux Mint 20.2 beta ISOs are now ready for download http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152391#comment-29987 [01:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft loves Linux so much that packages.microsoft.com has fallen and can't get up | Tux Machines [01:28] DaemonFC Theft is a cost and the people running off with a TV deserve to be shot in the back. [01:29] DaemonFC It discourages the others. [01:29] DaemonFC That's my position and I don't think I'm wrong. [01:29] DaemonFC If we bring back frontier justice, a lot of this crime problem simply goes away. [01:29] immibis capitalism says it may be cheaper to let them run off, than to shoot htem [01:30] DaemonFC The reason so much crime happens is because they know they're likely to either get away with it or not be punished too much. [01:30] immibis oh jeez, you want justice to be a free-for-all battle royale [01:30] MinceR you could just order your TV from someone who isn't running a physical store in a place like that, problem solved :> [01:30] techrights-bot/fn Canonical announces end of life date for Ubuntu 20.10 Groovy Gorilla http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152409#comment-29988 [01:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 20.10 (Groovy Gorilla) Will Reach End Of Life on July 22nd, 2021 | Tux Machines [01:30] DaemonFC MinceR, Oh good. Amazon. [01:30] immibis DaemonFC: what if I see you shoot them, but I don't see them take the TV, so I shoot you in the back for being a murderer? [01:30] DaemonFC One of the shittiest places to work for. [01:30] MinceR there are many webshops over here [01:30] DaemonFC Most of their employees last a matter of months. [01:30] MinceR did amazon kill them all in the usa? [01:31] immibis "frontier justice" is for the frontier, the edge of civilization. We don't live in the edge of civilization, we have proper civilization here [01:31] DaemonFC Eh, I guess there's B&H Photo. [01:31] MinceR we wish we had civilization [01:31] MinceR at least it could have an edge then :> [01:31] DaemonFC There's no civilization here. [01:31] immibis every developed country except america manages to have civilization [01:31] DaemonFC Just crime and rot and taxes and people who are too fucking stupid to remember how anything works. [01:32] techrights-bot/fn #Manjaro 21.0.7 is out. https://manjaro.org/ #gnu #libux [01:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-manjaro.org | Manjaro - enjoy the simplicity [01:32] DaemonFC Temp agencies are begging people to go work at a warehouse for $23 an hour. [01:32] immibis have you ever been outside the USA or the UK? [01:32] DaemonFC Why would you do it? [01:33] DaemonFC If you're Kayak Man, the government already pays you $36,000 a year, free healthcare, no taxes, to do whatever you want. [01:33] immibis because they stop paying you that after coronavirus? [01:33] DaemonFC He's going to run this into the ground, like most of them will. [01:33] DaemonFC Then the Democrats will come back in September and extend the gravy train another 6 months, so most of them will just keep on trucking. [01:33] techrights-bot/fn #LinuxPlumbersConference : Tracing Microconference Accepted into 2021 Linux Plumbers Conference https://www.linuxplumbersconf.org/blog/2021/index.php/2021/06/18/tracing-microconference-accepted-into-2021-linux-plumbers-conference/ #linux #kernel [01:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxplumbersconf.org | Tracing Microconference Accepted into 2021 Linux Plumbers Conference Linux Plumbers Conference 2021 [01:33] phobos/fn Only for blue states [01:34] phobos/fn nearly all red states ends tomorrow [01:34] phobos/fn by order of governors [01:34] DaemonFC That's actually pretty funny, honestly. [01:34] techrights-bot/fn PUPPI is a tinyML device designed to interpret your dogs mood via sound analysis | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/06/18/puppi-is-a-tinyml-device-designed-to-interpret-your-dogs-mood-through-sound-analysis/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/19/#latest [01:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | PUPPI is a tinyML device designed to interpret your dog's mood via sound analysis | Arduino Blog [01:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [01:34] DaemonFC Red states refusing to continue it only puts more pressure on Democrats to extend it. [01:34] DaemonFC If it can't possibly benefit their political enemies all that much, but they can send them back to work and make them pay taxes for it..... [01:35] phobos/fn https://www.cbsnews.com/news/unemployment-benefits-states-end-federal-aid/ [01:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cbsnews.com | Half of states are ending increased unemployment benefits as governors say businesses need workers - CBS News [01:35] techrights-bot/fn #RADV Open-Source #Radeon #Vulkan Driver Begins Landing Ray-Tracing Changes - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=RADV-RT-Starts-Landing #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux [01:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-RADV Open-Source Radeon Vulkan Driver Begins Landing Ray-Tracing Changes - Phoronix [01:35] phobos/fn No argument here about the pressure [01:35] phobos/fn but they'd need to find a way to override the governor orders and force the states department of labor to distribute the cash again [01:35] techrights-bot/fn Outsourcing to #google is not real security https://linuxhint.com/linux-two-factor-authentication/ [01:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxhint.com | Linux Two-factor Authentication Linux Hint [01:36] DaemonFC The Democrats will see it as a way to smack the federal government for cash that red states have to pay for, and it absolved them of the problem of creating jobs, and the loss of tax revenue from people bolting. [01:36] phobos/fn Outsourcing to google is like telling the thief to come right in and take whatever they want [01:36] phobos/fn July 1st is going to be a real mess [01:36] phobos/fn the evictions start up again [01:36] DaemonFC GOOD! FUCK EM! [01:36] phobos/fn for the most part, I agree [01:36] DaemonFC I've been paying my rent, which IS going up in September because of these fucks. [01:37] DaemonFC Err, November. Going up in November. [01:37] phobos/fn but the ones I feel bad for are the ones that didn't qualify for unemployment, lost their job through no fault of their own, and have no where to go and no money because of the lock down orders [01:37] techrights-bot/fn "Most of my users use the Webmail I have configured on our institutes servers, Roundcube, for which I have the highest appreciation. Only that Of course, when a user yields their username and password to an attacker, it is very successful at Sending huge amounts of unrequested mail, leading to my server losing its reputation" https://gwolf.org/2021/06/fighting-spam-on-roundcu [01:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gwolf.org | Gunnar Wolf [01:37] techrights-bot/fn be-with-modsecurity.html [01:37] DaemonFC But, yeah, it's going up and some of that is the landlord having to let people continue living here while he can't get the sheriff to come out and toss them. [01:37] phobos/fn maybe negotiate with your landlord? many are offering deals to get paying tenants in [01:38] DaemonFC Oh, most of them have plenty of money from the unemployment thing. [01:38] phobos/fn I'm not saying all don't have money [01:38] DaemonFC THey plan to squander it all and then file bankruptcy and tie the landlord up for a few more months and prevent him from calling it an eviction. [01:38] DaemonFC It's what I would do. [01:38] phobos/fn just that I feel bad for the people that never got it and lost their jobs due to the lock down [01:38] DaemonFC You won't get a good reference, but that you can survive. [01:39] DaemonFC You won't survive having "EVICTION" on your credit. [01:39] phobos/fn the people that got the money and chose not to pay their rent... they deserve to be on the street [01:39] phobos/fn let them learn a few lessons [01:39] DaemonFC If the landlord was smart, then as soon as the eviction moratorium was up, he'd force the ones that obviously have money into involuntary bankruptcy. [01:39] schestowitz phobos I know the feeling, seen that [01:40] DaemonFC He'd have to hire a lawyer and petition the court to put them into bankruptcy, but it would put a stop to their plan to squander assets and drag their feet. [01:40] phobos/fn do it! [01:40] phobos/fn Sick and tired of seeing people with the government checks out blowing it on junk they don't need and not paying their bills... [01:41] phobos/fn and most of them could be at work anyway [01:41] MinceR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4pbfT5pupc [01:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Palpatine - "Do it" full scene - YouTube [01:41] DaemonFC He probably wouldn't get all of his money, but it would slam a freeze on everything that they do have in the bank and let the court figure out how much he can have from the bankruptcy estate. [01:41] phobos/fn hell, some employers are offering money just to show up for an interview [01:41] phobos/fn and others are starting to offer full benefits including pensions again just to get people in [01:41] activelow really? [01:41] schestowitz maybe travel expenses [01:41] schestowitz never saw them pay at most for travel [01:41] DaemonFC Yes, you can get $50 to show up and blow an interview at McDonalds. [01:41] phobos/fn not just there [01:42] phobos/fn seen it at some mom and pop stores, target over this way [01:42] phobos/fn some big name places are hurting so much for help that they are giving out the $15 an hour [01:42] schestowitz how did we come to this topic anyway? [01:42] DaemonFC McDonalds here pays $50 just to take an interview and then $500 if you get the job and stay for at least 90 days. [01:42] phobos/fn beats me... just saw it go on and offered my opinion [01:42] phobos/fn and what I've seen going on [01:42] DaemonFC It's getting so bad that the employers of last resort are doing hiring bonuses. [01:43] phobos/fn good [01:43] phobos/fn maybe employers will learn not to take everyone for granted [01:43] DaemonFC We've obviously gotten everything from the Democratic Trifecta that I voted for. [01:43] phobos/fn and that not everyone is slave labor just to be tossed out when the employer feels they've outlived their usefulness [01:43] DaemonFC As far as I'm concerned I might vote for the Republicans or something for Governor next time. [01:44] DaemonFC Well, I mean a $15 minimum wage and the end of being in cahoots with ICE, and such. [01:44] phobos/fn Next time around, I've voting Republican on the federal level, but only for new comers, not the do nothings currently in office, and libertarian on the state and local levels [01:44] DaemonFC Time to swap them out and get some gridlock to force budget cuts. [01:45] phobos/fn quick question; maybe we could take this to -offtopic ? since schestowitz has requested we do that for this type of conversation more than once [01:45] DaemonFC Yeah. [01:49] schestowitz some people can take it out of context later [01:50] schestowitz I am planning to write some articles tonight [01:50] schestowitz a bit of politics is OK if that relates to tech [01:50] phobos/fn I'm not sure how the current unemployment and coming evictions relates to tech beyond possibly some developers not being online for a while [01:51] phobos/fn assuming they were one of those that took the money and didn't pay any bills [01:51] schestowitz the surveillance can predictive evictions etc. [01:51] schestowitz that's another topic though [01:52] schestowitz we need good s/n ratio [01:52] schestowitz for logs, lurkers [01:52] schestowitz I am getting ideas from IRC and we discuss topics related to tech [01:52] DaemonFC The tech issue of unemployment is how the Illinois Department of Employment Security, or the Ministry of Plenty, is in such bad shape, that it's allowed 100,000 fraudsters to file false claims. [01:52] schestowitz when it becomes something about race and bigoted statements the channel has no value to the site [01:53] DaemonFC Then it impounds the real person's tax return and make them prove they didn't get the unemployment money all year. [01:53] schestowitz there were the same issues on papetr [01:53] schestowitz the tech side is just digitisation mostly [01:53] DaemonFC Except on paper you had to show up and prove you're you, using documentation that the government would only give to you, with your picture on it. [01:54] schestowitz also, benefit fraud (at least in the UK) is a drop in the ocean compared to tax evasion by the rich [01:54] schestowitz anyway, bbiab [01:55] techrights-bot/fn How To Host Counter-Strike: Global Offensive Server on #Ubuntu https://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/how-to-host-counter-strike-global-offensive-server #games #gnu #linux [01:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxandubuntu.com | How To Host Counter-Strike: Global Offensive Server on Ubuntu [01:56] phobos/fn They are still trying to learn the extent of the unemployment fraud in CA [01:56] techrights-bot/fn " #GPULab is a turnkey JupyterLab Notebook environment atop a feature-packed #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux operating system." https://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/california-technology-company-launches-fixed-price-unlimited-gpu-rental-platform-for-deep-and-machine-learning-projects [01:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digitaljournal.com | California Technology Company Launches Fixed-Price Unlimited GPU Rental Platform For Deep and Machine Learning Projects - Digital Journal [01:56] phobos/fn if you've covered that [01:57] DaemonFC Maybe make them take a picture of a current valid photo ID....... [01:57] DaemonFC I mean, it would stop some of that, I'm sure. [01:58] DaemonFC Or give you the last four of the bank account number their last tax return went into. [01:58] DaemonFC There's so much fraud out there that getting anything done is getting hard. [01:59] DaemonFC I thought it was a miracle when we got in and out of the DMV in under an hour and they didn't screw anything up once this latest time. [01:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 33.25 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 26.25 swarm size (avg): 284.71 [01:59] DaemonFC That's another excellent reason to stay and deal with a rent increase even if there's other options. ● Jun 19 [02:00] DaemonFC Moving means filing an AR-11, an I-865, and going to the DMV. [02:00] DaemonFC The AR-11 tells USCIS where an immigrant lives, an I-865 tells them where an immigrant's sponsor lives, and then everyone knows what the DMV is. [02:01] phobos/fn If that DMV was in CA, they likely registered you to vote as a democrat [02:01] phobos/fn like they've been caught doing to illegals when they got a drivers license [02:01] DaemonFC If you try to move without telling USCIS where you are, it's a federal crime. [02:01] DaemonFC Worse, if they can show that you tried to hide to avoid being sued over the immigrant taking public benefits, they claw them back and then hit you with a $10,000 fine on top of it. [02:02] DaemonFC Illinois has automatic voter registration, and at first they accidentally did register some immigrants, which creates problems with USCIS. [02:02] DaemonFC USCIS checks to see if you're on the voter rolls and it does not look good if you are, even if it was the state's fault. [02:03] DaemonFC Obviously I can vote in whatever election I decide to where I live, but it's considered unforgiveable for a green card holder. They'll revoke it and send you packing. [02:03] techrights-bot/fn #DaftPunk Most Popular Artist to Code to https://smallbiztrends.com/2021/06/popular-songs-coding.html [02:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-smallbiztrends.com | These are the Most Popular Songs to Code To - Small Business Trends [02:05] techrights-bot/fn This #proprietarySoftware would only add holes to your system. I think nobody should accept such a 'solution' with that level of system access. https://www.neowin.net/news/anydesk-632/ [02:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.neowin.net | AnyDesk 6.3.2 - Neowin [02:07] techrights-bot/fn #Racism and #Inequality may be connected, but not the same thing and it's wrong to conflate them. Sometimes the rich people use racism to distract from the inequality. Tribalism to distract from class. https://www.complex.com/life/vancouver-anti-racism-coalition-interview [02:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Anti-Racism Coalition of Vancouver Fights Canadian Inequity | Complex CA [02:09] techrights-bot/fn This article is based on #microsoft proxies like #blackduck and Microsoft #proprietarySoftware like #github ... this is the sort of farcical 'journalism' that makes me cynical. https://venturebeat.com/2021/06/18/what-is-open-source/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Black_Duck [02:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What is open source? | VentureBeat [02:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Black Duck - Techrights [02:13] techrights-bot/fn GPUs and Graphics on Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152449 [02:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GPUs and Graphics on Linux | Tux Machines [02:20] techrights-bot/fn #geminiProtocol is simple and easy. Ongoing debate about whether to put compression in it (like gzip in www) https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006716.html https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006718.html [02:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | a space case for transparent gemtext compression [02:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | a space case for transparent gemtext compression [02:20] techrights-bot/fn " #Lagrange already supports opening Zips and browsing gemtext from it. So... there you go. There's your compression." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006724.html [02:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | a space case for transparent gemtext compression [02:21] techrights-bot/fn #ibm is chasing ghosts https://www.forbes.com/sites/moorinsights/2021/06/15/ibm-and-fraunhofer-announce-german-quantum-computing-partnership/ [02:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | IBM And Fraunhofer Announce German Quantum Computing Partnership [02:23] techrights-bot/fn #reputationLaundering for corporations, trying to hijack race issues to paint evil companies with #sweatshops and #proprietarySoftware like they're some kind of charities. https://www.fastcompany.com/90646834/only-4-8-of-designers-are-black-herman-miller-adobe-and-gap-unveil-a-plan-to-change-that [02:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fastcompany.com | 4.8% of designers are Black. Herman Miller, Adobe, Gap to change that [02:24] techrights-bot/fn Red Hats migration toolkit for virtualization helps move VMs into software #containers https://siliconangle.com/2021/06/15/red-hats-migration-toolkit-virtualization-helps-move-vms-software-containers/ [02:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Red Hat's migration toolkit for virtualization helps move VMs into software containers - SiliconANGLE [02:26] techrights-bot/fn More acronyms and buzzwords, basically describing what processors have done for more than half a century :-) https://blocksandfiles.com/2021/06/15/intel-im-already-the-biggest-dpu-shipper/ how about the ludicrous "HEY HI" hardware? [02:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blocksandfiles.com | Intel: Im already the biggest DPU shipper Blocks and Files [02:26] *psydroid has quit (connection closed) [02:26] XRevan86 https://organicmaps.app/ finally [02:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-organicmaps.app | Organic Maps | Fast detailed offline maps for travelers, tourists, hikers and cyclists [02:27] XRevan86 maps.me has been forked [02:27] techrights-bot/fn "From its beginning in 2008, Samvera (originally called Hydra) set out to build a community to support and sustain its software, which is free and open source" https://www.einnews.com/pr_news/543814073/samvera-advances-community-sourced-repository-solutions-as-oasis-foundation-as-a-service-partner [02:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.einnews.com | Samvera Advances Community-Sourced Repository Solutions as OASIS Foundation-as-a-Service Partner - EIN Presswire [02:29] techrights-bot/fn #Intel is now trying to 'innovate' in buzzwords and marketing, basically doing a slant on CPUs along the lines of "big data" or "Hey Hi" https://itwire.com/business-it/intel-introduces-its-infrastructure-processing-unit-for-better-data-centre-efficiency.html Intel is in trouble: http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks [02:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Intel introduces its Infrastructure Processing Unit for better data centre efficiency [02:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intel leaks - Techrights [02:30] techrights-bot/fn "Im returning my book to the library this week, 467 days after I borrowed it. And there is no fine." https://www.expressnews.com/opinion/commentary/article/Commentary-In-praise-of-the-fine-free-library-16247309.php [02:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.expressnews.com | Commentary: In praise of the fine-free library book [02:31] techrights-bot/fn About time for them to port this to #gnu #linux ... as WINE isn't the way to go. https://www.neowin.net/news/notepad-81/ [02:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.neowin.net | Notepad++ 8.1 - Neowin [02:32] techrights-bot/fn "Fortunately, that's because the system in question was Marvin Minsky's 1967 implementation of a Universal Turing Machine, which, despite its momentous theoretical importance for the field of computer science, had never actually been built into a real-world computer." https://www.csoonline.com/article/3620948/10-old-software-bugs-that-took-way-too-long-to-squash.html [02:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.csoonline.com | 10 old software bugs that took way too long to squash | CSO Online [02:35] techrights-bot/fn "We spoke to William Morgan, CEO of Buoyant and co-creator of Linkerd, to find out more about service mesh and why the shift is happening." https://betanews.com/2021/06/17/service-mesh-moving-istio-linkerd-qa/ [02:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | Why service mesh adopters are moving from Istio to Linkerd [Q&A] [02:36] techrights-bot/fn #Microsoft 'engineering' skills http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152391#comment-29990 #proprietarySoftware so nothing lost. Keep it offline for good... we'll be better off this way. [02:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft loves Linux so much that packages.microsoft.com has fallen and can't get up | Tux Machines [02:37] techrights-bot/fn *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-180621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-180621.txt Read the log now... [02:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ FreeNode: Friday, June 18, 2021 [02:37] techrights-bot/fn From #proprietarySoftware #clownComputing ... one malicious trap to the other. https://searchvmware.techtarget.com/tip/How-to-migrate-VMware-VMs-to-AWS-with-ease [02:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-searchvmware.techtarget.com | How to migrate VMware VMs to AWS with ease [02:38] techrights-bot/fn *** *** Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. 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[02:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Friday, June 18, 2021 [02:40] techrights-bot/fn #freesw teams should DELETE #slack .. it's likely illegal to be using it anyway in #europe https://venturebeat.com/2021/06/18/cutting-slack-when-open-source-and-team-chat-tools-collide/ see http://techrights.org/2019/07/20/slack-is-dead/ [02:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cutting Slack: When open source and team chat tools collide | VentureBeat [02:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Slack Committed a Very Major Crime That Can Cost Many Billions If Not Trillions in Damages for Years to Come | Techrights [02:41] techrights-bot/fn *** *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-06-18.txt [02:41] techrights-bot/fn #Intel is rapidly becoming just a #vapourware and #buzzwords company [02:45] techrights-bot/fn #ibm and #google (or GIAFAM) centralisation is not security but the very opposite of it. They want to restrict what people can run, based on what Pentagon-connected companies say https://www.wired.com/story/sigstore-open-source-supply-chain-code-signing/ see http://techrights.org/2021/03/11/fake-security-brought-by-lf/ [02:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A New Tool Wants to Save Open Source From Supply Chain Attacks | WIRED [02:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Fake Security From Linux Foundation and the Monopolies Its Fronting for | Techrights [02:45] techrights-bot/fn Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152450 [02:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [02:47] techrights-bot/fn "And as mjg59 teaches us, when fact bothers you, ban everyone who talks about it with a CoC." http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-180621.html#tJun%2018%2002:20:39 [02:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Friday, June 18, 2021 [02:57] techrights-bot/fn Run git command, check the help that comes with #git and you can usually figure out to do, even without any GUIs. Some people are lazy and embrace #proprietarySoftware like #github which they then CONFLATE with Git https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnAy6aIbIWo [02:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Oh My Git!I'm Bad With Git Let's Relearn It - YouTube [02:58] techrights-bot/fn "DBD::SQLite 1.67_07 (with SQLite 3.36.0) is a release candidate for the next stable DBD::SQLite. This release has a notable change to improve how to deal with Unicode/Latin-1 characters, contributed by Felipe Gasper." http://blogs.perl.org/users/kenichi_ishigaki/2021/06/next-stable-dbdsqlite-will-be-released-around-the-end-of-july.html [02:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Next stable DBD::SQLite will be released around the end of July | Kenichi Ishigaki [blogs.perl.org] [02:59] techrights-bot/fn It is NOT a standard. The 'industry standard' is likely the #gnu program. https://linuxnightly.com/how-to-use-zstandard-compression-on-linux-with-commands/ [02:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxnightly.com | How to Use Zstandard Compression on Linux (With Commands) - Linux Nightly [02:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 27.65 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 30.10 swarm size (avg): 285.35 ● Jun 19 [03:00] XRevan86 So OsmAnd has competition once again. [03:00] schestowitz what is that? [03:00] DaemonFC https://www.wisebread.com/bottled-water-bottled-hype-part-1 [03:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wisebread.com | Bottled Water, Bottled Hype Part 1 [03:00] XRevan86 (01:26:58) XRevan86: https://organicmaps.app/ finally [03:00] XRevan86 (01:27:11) XRevan86: maps.me has been forked [03:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-organicmaps.app | Organic Maps | Fast detailed offline maps for travelers, tourists, hikers and cyclists [03:01] DaemonFC Water is one of the few things that Waukegan hasn't managed to totally fuck up. [03:01] DaemonFC It was so bad in Fox Lake that if you left tap water out all night, it turned orange/brown. [03:03] MinceR ooh, color-changing tap water [03:03] MinceR such luxury [03:03] XRevan86 https://dm.reddit.com/r/privacytoolsIO/comments/nxfxx1 the closest thing to an announce I could find [03:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dm.reddit.com | Organic Maps - New promising alternative to Google Maps is now in beta for Android and iOS : privacytoolsIO [03:04] XRevan86 (that isn't in Russian) [03:04] techrights-bot/fn A white-knuckle ride of open #COVID19 drug discovery https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01571-1 #nature | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/19/#latest [03:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nature.com | A white-knuckle ride of open COVID drug discovery [03:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [03:05] schestowitz XRevan86: interesting [03:05] schestowitz also curious nobody in "the media" covered it [03:06] schestowitz OSM is a big f-ing deal [03:06] schestowitz and yet they don't pay the media for puff pieces [03:06] techrights-ipfs-bot Gemini requests since start of month: 121787 total Total pages: 35896 Active: active (running) since Tue 2021-06-08 16:18:39 BST; 1 weeks 3 days ago [03:06] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS local node stats (past 23 hours) calculated. TotalIn: 2.9 GB TotalOut: 526 MB [03:06] techrights-ipfs-bot New daily bulletin just generated. It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID [03:06] schestowitz IPFS usage growing a lot [03:07] schestowitz to the point of threatening the home connection speeds [03:07] schestowitz might need to revisit TC() [03:07] schestowitz 1064 known hosts in gemini [03:08] schestowitz lots of users of gemini:// these days [03:08] schestowitz silent revolution? [03:08] techrights-ipfs-bot QmWCc6UN8rXnBKmcnhPY7waCCSXzfsG1AbhZikKfdp3ymB [03:09] XRevan86 schestowitz: Don't know, but maybe it soon will. [03:10] XRevan86 I'm sure I'm not the only one who suddenly became aware of it from a Habr post. [03:11] XRevan86 Well, I knew about the effort before, but didn't know the name and didn't know about the release. [03:12] schestowitz btw: [03:12] schestowitz car navigation systems [03:12] schestowitz from data to software [03:12] schestowitz very proprietary [03:12] XRevan86 There was also an earlier fork on F-Droid called Maps. [03:13] schestowitz we need to address this, but cars as a whole become very proprietary [03:13] schestowitz even if linux powers those systems [03:13] schestowitz this will cause problems in the future [03:13] schestowitz e.g. cars that come with chips for tracking [03:13] schestowitz deep inside the cars [03:13] schestowitz for antennas or satellites [03:13] schestowitz to charge people "to reduce congestion" or "pollution" [03:14] MinceR wow, organic maps looks like it can actually find addresses and route to them [03:14] schestowitz or cars that |refuse| to go to locations x, y, z [03:14] MinceR it even plans a better route out of budapest than google maps and waze would [03:14] schestowitz we need to do to that domain what apache did to webservers [03:14] schestowitz isn't waze just google? [03:14] MinceR sort of [03:15] MinceR it used to be independent, then google bought it [03:15] MinceR the codebase still seems to be separate [03:15] MinceR waze does some things google maps doesn't (like showing you the speed limit and your speed) and vice versa (like lane assistance) [03:15] XRevan86 MinceR: Why are ye planning a route out of Budapest? Check-in in the state security office for profiling. [03:15] MinceR also, iirc waze's map database is still separate and based on OSM [03:16] MinceR XRevan86: lol [03:16] DaemonFC we need to address this, but cars as a whole become very proprietary [03:16] DaemonFC I've been dealing with a tune up backlog. [03:17] DaemonFC Mom doesn't do most of her routine maintainence and the car was getting extremely poor gas mileage when I got it. [03:17] DaemonFC She let it get so far out of whack that I was getting about 10 miles to the gallon in the city when she handed it to me. [03:18] DaemonFC It's getting about 17 now. [03:18] XRevan86 schestowitz: techrights-bot is how I tell that the bridge is operational. [03:18] DaemonFC Her spark plugs were so far worn that one of them eventually triggered a misfire trouble code, so her ex husband replaced.....one spark plug. [03:19] activelow automotive loves qnx, some others do winCE [03:19] XRevan86 Also congrats to Libera on hitting 40K and to freenode on hitting 24K [03:19] DaemonFC Windows CE, long term, was a disaster. [03:20] DaemonFC It's rare to see it on anything anymore. [03:20] activelow had seen it, NDA [03:20] DaemonFC Microsoft themselves snubbed it for an embedded use case on the original XBOX in favor of a stripped down Windows 2000. [03:20] activelow wince did "like" GPL2 too btw. [03:21] activelow at least in the project of theirs [03:22] MinceR oh, another thing google maps has that waze is missing is automatically suggesting alternate routes on the go [03:23] schestowitz XRevan86: both networks are mostly irrelevant to us now [03:23] schestowitz except for backup in case of network/hv downtime [03:24] schestowitz this whole chaos ended up nudging us in a direction we sought about 10 months ago [03:24] XRevan86 schestowitz: techrights ascended beyond the worries of the mere IRC mortals [03:24] schestowitz and many thanks to Ariadne for stepping in to help [03:24] schestowitz I just need to know how to back up this container with all the configs and stuff, in case of D-R becoming necessary [03:25] *job (~job@42cscff4sp33s.irc) has joined #techrights [03:28] MinceR Digital Research? [03:29] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #KenShirriff #OpenHardware Deep dive into how the Teensy microcontroller interacts with the Arduino library http://www.righto.com/2021/06/deep-dive-into-how-teensy.html [03:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.righto.com | Deep dive into how the Teensy microcontroller interacts with the Arduino library [03:31] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #ISC End of maintenance for ISC DHC CLIENT and RELAY https://lists.isc.org/pipermail/dhcp-users/2021-June/022495.html [03:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.isc.org | End of maintenance for ISC DHC CLIENT and RELAY [03:31] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Salon #Arizona #election audit takes wild turn: Voter data is transported to a "secret" lab in another state https://www.salon.com/2021/06/18/arizona-election-audit-takes-wild-turn-voter-data-is-transported-to-a-secret-lab-in-another-state/ [03:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Arizona election audit takes wild turn: Voter data is transported to a "secret" lab in another state | Salon.com [03:33] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #TheNation #Education Computer Screens and Pieces of Paper https://www.thenation.com/article/society/college-remote-learning/ [03:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | Computer Screens and Pieces of Paper | The Nation [03:35] DaemonFC oh, another thing google maps has that waze is missing is automatically suggesting alternate routes on the go [03:35] DaemonFC Waze does that, but it does weird shit. [03:35] DaemonFC Told me to get off the interstate, take city streets, and then fight the same traffic jam to get back on the interstate. [03:36] MinceR google maps just draws them on the map and gives an estimate of how it will alter travel time [03:36] MinceR :) [03:36] DaemonFC The city streets were worse than the interstate. [03:36] DaemonFC It also likes trying to take me through Chicago when the better choice is going around it. [03:37] techrights-bot/fn Our #gnu #linux hero, Ken. https://twitter.com/Reglue/status/1405683376737169408 [03:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Reglue: @schestowitz Roy, I was admitted to the ICU with severe sepsis and pneumonia and was applauded by the entire staff https://t.co/NUv6HdxNRc [03:37] MinceR they both like to do that in budapest [03:39] schestowitz I never drove a car with those devices in it [03:39] schestowitz but I had better things [03:39] schestowitz like a laptop wired to it [03:39] schestowitz does a lot more [03:39] MinceR if you have the software for it :> [03:39] schestowitz yes, and gps etc. [03:39] schestowitz though I want no gps in the car [03:39] schestowitz with plate tracking I suppose there's not much left to lose [03:40] schestowitz I'd rather walk or take taxi anonymously [03:40] MinceR GNSS (including GPS) receivers do not send data [03:40] MinceR they don't need to [03:41] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #CNN #ProprietarySoftware How Russian threats in the 2000s turned this country into the go-to expert on cyber defense https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/18/tech/estonia-cyber-security-lessons-intl-cmd/index.html [03:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com | How Russian threats in the 2000s turned Estonia into the go-to expert on cyber defense - CNN [03:41] techrights-bot/fn #Microsoft #Windows TCO: #Newsweek #ProprietarySoftware Most Businesses That Pay Off After #Ransomware Hack Hit With Second Attack: Study https://www.newsweek.com/most-businesses-that-pay-off-after-ransomware-hack-hit-second-attack-study-1601266 [03:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newsweek.com | Most Businesses That Pay Off After Ransomware Hack Hit With Second Attack: Study [03:42] schestowitz MinceR: I need to read up on it... [03:42] schestowitz afaik, it's a US-centric and controlled system [03:43] MinceR galileo isn't :> [03:43] schestowitz satellite grid sending out global positions [03:43] MinceR basically, the satellites have very precise clocks on them [03:43] schestowitz I forgot the names of the alternatives [03:43] MinceR all in sync [03:43] MinceR and they send out their time signal [03:43] CrystalMath are you following the Andrew Lee interview? [03:43] schestowitz so you can triangulatre [03:43] MinceR if you had a very precise clock in your receiver, you could take signals from 3 satellites to find out how far away they are and determine your position [03:44] MinceR since you don't, you instead use 4 satellites [03:44] schestowitz CrystalMath: no, where? [03:44] MinceR (i don't know how exactly that trick works) [03:44] MinceR (and of course you can use more satellites) [03:44] CrystalMath https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHsbUBA-j_c [03:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LRH 499.7 - WTCNDE - YouTube [03:44] schestowitz thankls [03:44] CrystalMath now the topic is UFOs [03:46] techrights-bot/fn LIVE: interview with #freenode owner https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHsbUBA-j_c [03:46] schestowitz he does not say anything profound [03:47] schestowitz assuming that's actually him [03:47] CrystalMath well that interviewer is freenode staff [03:47] schestowitz CrystalMath: is that him? [03:47] schestowitz Lee talking to him? [03:47] CrystalMath the person in the video is freenode staff [03:47] schestowitz no video description [03:47] CrystalMath and Lee is talking [03:47] schestowitz ah, ok [03:48] schestowitz not very professional tbh [03:48] schestowitz not the person I'd want running our network [03:48] schestowitz he's into 'pizzagate' and stuff [03:49] CrystalMath that is true, he said he believes in pizzagate absolutely, but not quite the same thing as QAnon says [03:49] schestowitz not the same [03:49] schestowitz "africa is a beautiful countru| [03:49] schestowitz WHAT????? [03:49] schestowitz WTF [03:50] schestowitz Does he really think Africa is a COUNTRY? [03:50] schestowitz I think this is full Palin [03:50] CrystalMath i didn't hear that [03:50] CrystalMath the scrollnig text is EFNet [03:50] schestowitz just seconds ago [03:50] schestowitz I guess they ask about wrestling because of that magazine they run [03:50] schestowitz the Lee bros [03:51] schestowitz I'm very underwhelmed by this interview [03:51] activelow cant watch it, unresponsive script, then browser doesnt support it [03:52] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #TheHill #Privacy #Surveillance Chinese apps could face subpoenas, bans under Biden executive order: report https://thehill.com/policy/technology/559112-chinese-apps-could-face-subpoenas-bans-under-biden-executive-order-report [03:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chinese apps could face subpoenas, bans under Biden executive order: report | TheHill [03:52] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Reuters #Privacy #Surveillance EXCLUSIVE Chinese apps could face subpoenas or bans under #Biden order -sources https://www.reuters.com/technology/exclusive-chinese-apps-could-face-subpoenas-or-bans-under-biden-order-sources-2021-06-17/ [03:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-EXCLUSIVE Chinese apps could face subpoenas or bans under Biden order -sources | Reuters [03:53] schestowitz The interviewer is also freenode staff? [03:53] schestowitz CrystalMath: I hope not [03:53] CrystalMath correct [03:53] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #SDTimes #Privacy #Surveillance SD Times Open-Source Project of the Week: Open Voice Network https://sdtimes.com/sd-times-open-source-project-of-the-week-open-voice-network/ [03:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sdtimes.com | SD Times Open-Source Project of the Week: Open Voice Network - SD Times [03:53] schestowitz these people should not control IRC [03:53] schestowitz they're incompetent [03:54] activelow lol [03:54] schestowitz he refers to Africa as "country" [03:54] schestowitz he wasn't even challenged by his employee [03:56] schestowitz "it's gonna be crazy" [03:56] schestowitz (on freenode) [03:56] schestowitz did he sniff something? [03:56] schestowitz this is not helping [03:56] CrystalMath idk, he said some really great things [03:56] CrystalMath in the beginning at least [03:56] schestowitz he had the chance to make up for bad first impressions [03:57] schestowitz CrystalMath: mayeb the scripted parts [03:57] schestowitz "let's talk about the new staff in freenode" [03:57] CrystalMath he really doesn't sound like someone who reads a script [03:57] schestowitz he keeps saying "shit" [03:57] schestowitz they mention "eskimo" [03:58] schestowitz no wonder they flush down the whole DB [03:58] schestowitz without bothering to grasp the technical ramifications [03:58] CrystalMath he talked about it [03:58] schestowitz they have no idea what they're doing. "shit.." [03:58] activelow the conversation protocol with nirvana was exceptional entertainment too [03:58] schestowitz oh, he does support Trump [03:58] MinceR lol, he really is a trumpist [03:58] schestowitz "shit..." [03:59] schestowitz "Election was stolen" [03:59] schestowitz I think we're done here.. [03:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 34.23 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 21.68 swarm size (avg): 286.75 [03:59] schestowitz "these fuckers who stole that shit" [03:59] schestowitz (the election) [03:59] schestowitz really bad [03:59] schestowitz "these fuckers who stole that shit" (election) - Andrew Lee ● Jun 19 [04:00] DaemonFC sheeeeeeeit [04:00] schestowitz he says Trump is best president in US histpry [04:00] schestowitz this is who runs freenode now [04:02] schestowitz [21:19] he was never rich, he just did the right thing [04:02] schestowitz [21:19] the situation with assange is insane man. [04:02] schestowitz [21:19] he changed the world a lot more than most billionaires [04:02] schestowitz [21:19] The reason they went after him was because of the pizzagate leaks. [04:02] schestowitz [21:19] (which are all real) [04:02] schestowitz [21:19] among others [04:02] schestowitz [21:20] podestaemails are full of stuff that I wrote a lot about [04:02] schestowitz [21:20] !! absolutely. [04:02] schestowitz [21:20] I'm glad you did this. I got epstein.pizza, podesta.pizza, and clinton.pizza to do the same... but I guess I don't have to lol [04:02] schestowitz [21:20] but those things get taken over by nuts [04:02] schestowitz [21:20] which then discourage participation [04:02] schestowitz [21:20] Well, I wouldn't call them nuts. They're reacting to what they're seeing... [04:02] schestowitz [21:21] but they then add to the mix some fiction [04:02] schestowitz [21:21] they start with facts [04:02] schestowitz [21:21] and then go hayway [04:02] schestowitz [21:21] it's a tactic [04:02] schestowitz [21:21] For sure. I agree with that. [04:03] techrights-bot/fn Games: art of rally, Counter-Strike: Global Offensive and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152451 [04:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: art of rally, Counter-Strike: Global Offensive and More | Tux Machines [04:04] techrights-bot/fn #LinuxFoundation Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152452 [04:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Foundation Leftovers | Tux Machines [04:04] schestowitz "greatest president of all times" (Trump) [04:05] activelow schestowitz: provoke argument with me? [04:05] XRevan86 schestowitz: Yea, it was later confirmed that he is indeed a Trump supporter, I mentioned that here. [04:06] schestowitz XRevan86: when? [04:06] schestowitz Trump fan [04:06] XRevan86 schestowitz: At least I hope I did. [04:06] schestowitz but it's actually worse because he says election was stolen and other BS [04:07] CrystalMath he tells the truth ;) [04:07] CrystalMath even the stuff techrights doesn't want to admit :P [04:07] CrystalMath but ok [04:07] MinceR even the stuff that isn't true, eh? [04:07] techrights-bot/fn #Techrights Bulletin for Friday, June 18, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [04:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [04:07] techrights-bot/fn #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [04:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [04:08] XRevan86 schestowitz: I didn't mention that here [04:08] schestowitz XRevan86: wish you had [04:08] schestowitz but [04:08] schestowitz it's a lot worse [04:08] schestowitz did you listen to the above interview? [04:08] activelow Trump isn't fundementally different to any other of his "opponents", doesn't bother with shallow facade instead, and his opponents are reminded of themselves by him (trump). [04:09] activelow both Putin and Trump were funded by Deutsche Bank, had never been any secret either. [04:09] XRevan86 schestowitz: Ariadne is who told me, I don't share private talk. [04:09] schestowitz [04:07] he tells the truth ;) [04:09] schestowitz no, extremely unprofessional [04:09] schestowitz and not truth, either [04:09] XRevan86 schestowitz: No, but that quote is indeed worse than I expected. [04:09] schestowitz just hearsay and nonsense [04:09] schestowitz really bad [04:10] XRevan86 schestowitz: Also this means that the Twitter Andrew Lee who is a Blockchain Trump supporter was a red herring that actually overlapped with rasengan more than we thought. [04:10] MinceR ah yes, deutsche "put an extra tax on home office" bank [04:10] MinceR fuck them too [04:10] schestowitz [20:55] someone told me PIA was 32 million in debt [04:10] schestowitz [20:55] This is not to be confused with a wealth redistribution [04:10] schestowitz [20:55] (people will still own their assets etc etc etc) [04:10] schestowitz [20:55] speaking in broad them, I'm a sceptic by default [04:10] schestowitz [20:56] I'm not really allowed to speak on PIA due to some agreements, but I can answer in terms of that statement. [04:10] schestowitz [20:56] 32M debt for a person means something very different than 32M debt for a healthy company. [04:11] Ariadne i cant believe [04:11] Ariadne lil pump dropped in [04:11] schestowitz no, the horse's own mouth [04:11] schestowitz twitter is not reliable [04:11] schestowitz but a person talking openly is [04:11] schestowitz about oneself [04:12] XRevan86 schestowitz: I'm talking about a May find that the Twitter link to Andrew Lee in a paste condemning freenode lead to a wrong guy. [04:13] Ariadne well [04:13] Ariadne i can say [04:13] Ariadne that interview was something [04:13] XRevan86 I thought that this was the source of "rasengan is pro-Trump" sentiment. [04:14] Ariadne well [04:14] Ariadne he literally said pizzagate is real [04:14] MinceR XRevan86: well, that's all i had on the matter until today [04:14] Ariadne and that there is no way trump lost the election [04:14] Ariadne on l0de radio hour [04:14] Ariadne just now [04:14] XRevan86 So I contributed to misleading schestowitz back then. [04:15] XRevan86 MinceR: Yes, I only had personal talk as evidence until today too. [04:16] schestowitz yes [04:16] schestowitz same here [04:17] schestowitz anyway, call that a turning point if you will... [04:17] activelow didn't Trumpovich seek to establish his own media empire since he was banned? [04:17] schestowitz sometimes better to keep one's mouth shut [04:17] MinceR he did [04:17] MinceR afaik it didn't work out for him [04:17] schestowitz he lost the opportunity, a good opportunity, to say nothing at all [04:17] activelow Kremlin too tried to establish some TV channel in germany and were denied to do so by german government. [04:18] schestowitz VOA was at risk [04:18] schestowitz I'm not sure if they dodged the bullet at the end [04:18] schestowitz Gannett still carries water [04:18] schestowitz maybe the "Yes Men" went on that interview to impersonate ;D [04:20] *stormyknight3000 (~iansutter@6schtsatzc46y.irc) has joined #techrights [04:20] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #VOANews #BurkinaFaso With Media Blocked, Burkina Faso's Displaced Denied a Voice, Journalists Say https://www.voanews.com/press-freedom/media-blocked-burkina-fasos-displaced-denied-voice-journalists-say [04:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voanews.com | With Media Blocked, Burkina Faso's Displaced Denied a Voice, Journalists Say | Voice of America - English [04:20] schestowitz VOA ^ [04:25] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Bloomberg #FCC Can Block Subsidized Purchases of #Huawei s #5G Technology https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-18/fcc-can-block-subsidized-purchases-of-huawei-s-5g-technology [04:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? 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[04:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cjr.org | Journalisms Gates keepers - Columbia Journalism Review [04:28] techrights-bot/fn Beinoff-controlled #newsweek is also "shifting the blame away from Microsoft... the public has been warned for decades to ditch Microsoft, now there is a hurry" -iophk https://www.newsweek.com/2021/07/09/will-putins-hackers-launch-cyber-pearl-harbor-shooting-war-1601791.html [04:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newsweek.com | Will Putin's Hackers Launch a Cyber Pearl Harborand a Shooting War? [04:29] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #CommonDreams #Nature 'A Huge Victory': #Biden #USDA Moves to Restore #AnimalWelfare Protections Shredded by Trump https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/06/18/huge-victory-biden-usda-moves-restore-animal-welfare-protections-shredded-trump [04:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'A Huge Victory': Biden USDA Moves to Restore Animal Welfare Protections Shredded by Trump | Common Dreams News [04:32] XRevan86 schestowitz: I do wonder what would've happened if Libera hadn't been created. OFTC would've been it? Or IRC would've just stopped? [04:32] MinceR how would that stop IRC? [04:33] MinceR there still are over 400 IRC networks [04:33] schestowitz yes, exactly [04:33] MinceR and probably most of them aren't as crap as libera, oftc or freenode [04:33] XRevan86 MinceR: None at the level of project support that freenode provided. [04:33] MinceR how did that "project support" work out for people? [04:34] XRevan86 MinceR: Pretty well? [04:34] MinceR doesn't look like it to me [04:34] MinceR it led to this ## namespace fuckery [04:34] MinceR it led to a lot of extra bureaucracy [04:34] XRevan86 MinceR: It resolved a lot of ambiguities too. [04:35] MinceR and it lent some people some clout with which they tried to destroy free software [04:35] MinceR we have better ways of resolving ambiguities [04:35] XRevan86 MinceR: Regarding ##, it doesn't look like that's required on Libera. But the project can come in at any time and take control. [04:35] MinceR it was required in freenode, though, by the people who now run libera [04:36] schestowitz CrystalMath: no DMs please [04:36] XRevan86 Apparently ##sqlite could be #sqlite [04:36] schestowitz it's triggering notificatrions [04:36] schestowitz I am doing some work at the moment [04:36] CrystalMath huh? [04:36] XRevan86 But I guess they kept it for compatibility? [04:36] MinceR ##slackware could have been #slackware [04:36] XRevan86 MinceR: yes [04:37] schestowitz I'd rather just move on [04:37] schestowitz heart broken, wasted time, freenode is not our priority [04:37] schestowitz we look ahead now [04:37] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [04:37] MinceR oh, another thing that "project support" led to was a massive queue of project registrations [04:38] XRevan86 schestowitz: There are more channels out there. This matters. [04:38] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #CommonDreams 'Epic Failure of Humanity': Global Displaced Population Hits All-Time High https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/06/18/epic-failure-humanity-global-displaced-population-hits-all-time-high [04:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'Epic Failure of Humanity': Global Displaced Population Hits All-Time High | Common Dreams News [04:38] schestowitz XRevan86: too many channels [04:38] XRevan86 MinceR: Still better than projects begging the current ops. [04:38] schestowitz no network should control this many channels [04:38] schestowitz if any lesson was to be learned from all this.... [04:39] MinceR XRevan86: there's no need to beg in the usual setup [04:39] MinceR just be there first and register the channel [04:39] MinceR if you aren't there first, either make up a different name or find another network [04:39] schestowitz [14:24] #freenode messed up so badly that #ipfire is almost quitting #irc altogether https://blog.ipfire.org/post/relaunching-ipfire [04:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.ipfire.org - Relaunching #ipfire [04:39] schestowitz they use jabber now [04:39] schestowitz self-hosted [04:39] MinceR with a more distributed system, we could do without even that, though [04:39] schestowitz the irc is now sort of secondary and not official [04:39] MinceR we could have something like a key pair for the channel [04:39] schestowitz and with jabber you can do what irc does, mostly... [04:40] MinceR how do you moderate a channel on xmpp, though? [04:40] XRevan86 schestowitz: I've spent a lot of time convincing a person that categorically refuses to understand the situation, because they use ZNC and cannot use more than one network with convenience. I wonder how many people are out like them. [04:40] schestowitz LC and LF are like political party [04:40] schestowitz you elect the lesser evil and pray they won't f-ck you as hard as the "worse" one [04:40] MinceR even if their irc proxy can only handle one network at a time, they could just use multiple irc proxies [04:41] MinceR yeah, i'm sick of hoping for the lesser evil [04:41] schestowitz it's a short-term strategy [04:41] schestowitz BTW, I defended FN since Aptil [04:41] schestowitz In April it lost many users [04:41] schestowitz and the freenode (old) staff was doing rogue ops [04:41] schestowitz then in May shit hit the fan and we tried to limit the damage [04:41] XRevan86 rogue ops? [04:42] schestowitz I will post a link in a moment [04:42] schestowitz the TR site runs a backup at the moment [04:42] schestowitz all CPUs fired up [04:42] XRevan86 MinceR: "how do you moderate a channel on xmpp, though?" huh? [04:43] MinceR XRevan86: what if someone keeps registering new JIDs on the same server, comes into your channel and floods it? [04:43] XRevan86 MinceR: No voice by default. [04:44] schestowitz OK, backup done. Now the link: http://techrights.org/2021/05/08/communication-channels-cancel-mobbed/ [04:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Pro-Software Freedom Advocates and Free/Libre Software Supporters Face Barriers Due to Domination of Communication Channels (Beyond the Media) | Techrights [04:44] MinceR and then you get users complain about that, as they complain about +m / +M / +q $~a [04:45] XRevan86 MinceR: XMPP has an advantage of voice being shown in any client. [04:45] MinceR not even being able to ban an XMPP server (let alone ban a client IP address or range) is pretty grim for serious chat moderation [04:45] MinceR XRevan86: i'm not aware of an IRC client that doesn't show being voiced [04:45] MinceR also, the IRC server gives you an error message if your message wasn't sent to anyone [04:46] AdmFubar here is how crazy the housing market is in the states https://boingboing.net/2021/06/18/a-house-filled-with-urine-feces-rotten-meat-and-dead-cats-gets-offer-frenzy-at-592500.html?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=a-house-filled-with-urine-feces-rotten-meat-and-dead-cats-gets-offer-frenzy-at-592500 [04:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boingboing.net | A house filled with urine, feces, rotten meat, and dead cats gets offer frenzy at $592,500 | Boing Boing [04:46] XRevan86 MinceR: Hm, okay. [04:47] schestowitz AdmFubar: bb doing clickbair [04:47] schestowitz *bait [04:47] schestowitz even doctorow got fed up and left [04:47] schestowitz about a decade ago it was a little less bad, now they also run Microsoft ads as 'articles' [04:49] schestowitz Ariadne: you were right all along about FN, but it's good to have all that confirmed from the network's actions and words. But I still think that the best outcome will be lots more IRC networks. [04:49] schestowitz It would also encourage more people to hack bots, software tools, ircd stuff [04:49] schestowitz and revive this 'ecosystem' [04:50] XRevan86 schestowitz: When I said that what I mean is that IRC would not have been able to survive the fall of freenode. [04:50] schestowitz we need to replace things like slack and jabber/matrix aren't for the more public-facing things [04:50] schestowitz jabber is ok internally for a company [04:50] schestowitz IRC was already a niche [04:50] schestowitz becoming a niche or a niche is another thing [04:51] schestowitz but I think I'll further improve our IRC tools [04:51] schestowitz now that we control the stack [04:51] schestowitz I will come up with some more ideas, we've had many bits of code over the years, mostly becoming stale due to changed APIs at identica, Twitter etc. [04:51] XRevan86 schestowitz: I think the move would've been rather than Libera to Matrix or elsewhere, away from IRC. [04:51] schestowitz which again shows the risk of relying on third parties via APIs [04:52] schestowitz we still need to release our git stuff some time, but would rather have some gemini or web interface [04:52] schestowitz sourcehut does both [04:52] XRevan86 So maintaining the status quo by restoring freenode as Libera is very important. [04:53] schestowitz there is a diaspora [04:53] schestowitz not everyone moved or will move to LC [04:53] schestowitz and IRC currently does not federate well [04:53] activelow there is no alternative to what techrights irc or an efnet nion could offer [04:53] schestowitz we need more tooling and hacking [04:53] schestowitz your bridge is helping a lot in transitions [04:54] schestowitz days ago, upon request from DaemonFC, we made http://techrights.org/irc [04:54] schestowitz because he was having Net hangups and wanted to see what he had missed [04:54] schestowitz I spoke to a friend who's good at Perl [04:54] schestowitz to see if we can further enhance this [04:54] schestowitz we still have some webirc client installed on the server [04:54] activelow i am willing to support this here, if there was demand [04:55] XRevan86 schestowitz: Yes, I agree. Except that I think that 90% of those that stayed on IRC will end up on LC. [04:55] schestowitz from the time freenode was getting rid of mibbit and we needed a substitute [04:55] AdmFubar I've never seen a microsoft article there [04:55] schestowitz but a web interface for irc does not allow scrollback [04:55] schestowitz AdmFubar: not even articles [04:55] schestowitz ads disguised as 'reportds' [04:55] schestowitz not recently, but many last year [04:55] AdmFubar never seen anything of the sort there [04:56] schestowitz I mentioned this to cory doctorow [04:56] schestowitz all he said was, I'm no longer involved.... in a tone suggesting he doesn't condone that former doghouse of his [04:56] schestowitz in theory we could do real-time IRC logs [04:57] schestowitz going about in cycles and updating for a given day, but cpu and b/w intensive [04:57] schestowitz would be nice to turn that into those chat applets like in youtube or twitch, but then any troll can vandalise the channel easily [04:58] schestowitz let's check some freesw repos for existing tools [04:58] schestowitz that handle raw plaintext/utf-8 [04:58] MinceR it already serves the purpose of a scrollback [04:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 36.75 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.66 swarm size (avg): 288.67 ● Jun 19 [05:03] Ariadne [22:55] from the time freenode was getting rid of mibbit and we needed a substitute [05:03] Ariadne there is an important reason why that happened [05:03] DaemonFC I think that part of "Windows 11" will be a compatibility break under the hood. [05:03] Ariadne the mibbit client was sending irc logs to its advertising partners for targeting [05:03] DaemonFC Microsoft has piled so much crap into Windows 10 that it stopped supporting shortly after that this gives them an excuse to remove it. [05:04] DaemonFC For now, it looks cosmetic though. [05:04] activelow had not touched any ms product since .Net 3. and windows 7 [05:05] DaemonFC It looks like they're dropping 32-bit x86. [05:06] *schestowitz back [05:06] schestowitz I cannot seem to find the sort of php tool I'm after [05:07] schestowitz Ariadne: I thought they had blocked it because it was creating lots of useless connections, with auto-login [05:07] schestowitz last I checked, months ago, mibbit is still around [05:07] schestowitz but freenode rejects it [05:08] schestowitz https://widget.mibbit.com/?settings=7ca12664887d4b6e7a0fa6552f9e0de6&server=irc.freenode.net&autoConnect=true&channel=%23techrights [05:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-widget.mibbit.com | Mibbit IRC client widget [05:08] schestowitz now it is allows [05:08] schestowitz the 'new' freenode [05:08] schestowitz *allowed [05:09] schestowitz https://widget.mibbit.com/?settings=7ca12664887d4b6e7a0fa6552f9e0de6&server=irc.techrights.org&autoConnect=true&channel=%23techrights [05:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-widget.mibbit.com | Mibbit IRC client widget [05:09] MinceR k-lines and the like were probably lost [05:09] *mib_2vtyjg (~5198ee27@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [05:09] MinceR in the ircd switch [05:09] XRevan86 Ugh, I just realised I still cannot fully logically explain why rasengan went for the wipe. [05:09] mib_2vtyjg this is rot [05:09] mib_2vtyjg *roy [05:09] MinceR that's because it isn't logical [05:10] schestowitz XRevan86: don't try to explain [05:10] schestowitz the brain didn't work [05:10] MinceR the interview suggests that they felt they had to get rid of everything and everybody [05:10] XRevan86 MinceR: Even illogical decisions can be logically explained, unless they're fully insane. [05:10] schestowitz too busy in "MAGA" [05:10] schestowitz [03:59] "these fuckers who stole that shit" (election) - Andrew Lee [05:11] XRevan86 MinceR: But why though? What's the goal? [05:11] MinceR \_()_/ [05:11] MinceR maybe they want to polarize what used to be free software from the other side [05:11] MinceR because apparently that's what it really needs [05:11] MinceR \_()_/ [05:12] schestowitz notice: after some 'researching' (about 20 pages read) I decided to leave http://techrights.org/irc as is... nice and simple [05:12] MinceR :) [05:15] *mib_i3fqb9 (~5198ee27@kjvq8jm9s83qu.irc) has joined #techrights [05:16] *mib_i3fqb9 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [05:19] AdmFubar https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210617/09541947007/chinese-government-continues-to-arrest-more-journalists-over-nonsense-national-security-law.shtml [05:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chinese Government Continues To Arrest More Journalists Over Nonsense 'National Security' Law | Techdirt [05:19] *tr_guest|56378 (~5198ee27@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [05:20] *mib_30pukx (~5198ee27@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [05:20] *mib_2vtyjg has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [05:21] schestowitz Error 522: https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=techrights [05:21] schestowitz freenode doesn't intend to fix its webUI I suppose [05:21] schestowitz MAGA will take care of that [05:21] XRevan86 MinceR: I don't think that explanation works. But who knows. [05:21] schestowitz it has been down for days [05:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 522 @ https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=techrights ) [05:22] *tr_guest|56378 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:22] XRevan86 MinceR: That did cleanse the network from the unloyal projects after all. [05:22] schestowitz Ariadne: so freenode is no web ui anymore, but they now allow mibbit in, unlike before (it was blocked when I tested months ago) [05:23] schestowitz another shot in foot from FN [05:23] schestowitz XRevan86: they re-registered the channels [05:23] XRevan86 schestowitz: There's always the main instance of kiwiirc [05:23] schestowitz and users did too [05:23] schestowitz but the trust is not there anymore [05:23] schestowitz XRevan86: yes, but external [05:24] schestowitz go to https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=techrights [05:24] schestowitz see top left [05:24] schestowitz oops [05:24] schestowitz go to https://freenode.net/ [05:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | freenode [05:24] schestowitz top left [05:24] schestowitz "Chat" [05:24] schestowitz click on it [05:24] schestowitz nothing [05:24] schestowitz times out [05:24] schestowitz for clownflare [05:24] XRevan86 schestowitz: Those that were thinking about moving, accelerated the move. And I doubt that every one of them bothered to register again when it's transitional anyway. [05:24] schestowitz so you basically select the very first link in the page [05:24] schestowitz and it craps out [05:24] schestowitz very professional [05:24] schestowitz and they have not fixed this for days [05:25] schestowitz no signs of intention to fix it [05:25] schestowitz actuallt the first link in the page is the self-referential logo [05:25] schestowitz the second says "Chat" [05:25] schestowitz and it's a broken link [05:25] schestowitz so they say come and chat here, but for days that option is now working [05:26] schestowitz they're running a madhouse [05:26] schestowitz no time to fix the very basics, but time to do a livestream on google youtube [05:26] activelow sasl gone, onion gone, webchat gone, staff gone, projects gone, users gone [05:26] schestowitz https://fosshost.org/news/freenode-partnership-to-be-discontinued [05:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fosshost.org | Fosshost - Update to Freenode Press Release Statement [05:26] XRevan86 schestowitz: They're probably busy overcoming other obstacles they've placed for themselves. [05:27] XRevan86 activelow: SASL gone? That's what the bridge's using. [05:27] schestowitz " [05:27] schestowitz On the 1st of June, 2021, we released a press statement called Freenode Partnership. The blog post articulated a collaboration with Freenode. The partnership was the culmination of several verbal discussions with Mr Andrew Lee, President of Freenode Limited. [05:27] schestowitz Within the press release statement we briefly detailed the mechanics of the collaboration, using our experience in providing FOSS hosting services, and to further advise the current Freenode Management on how to develop the thriving online community that Freenode has been for the past 20 years. [05:27] schestowitz When we announced the collaboration, many of you reached out to voice your concerns. The main reason for your feedback was that many in the community did not agree with Fosshost supporting Freenode. [05:27] schestowitz " [05:27] activelow XRevan86: it was the timeline of events [05:27] schestowitz "On the 11th of June 2021, we formally asked all staff (volunteers who are not directors) to participate in a vote to understand their preference for the described partnership. The result was unanimous that we should end the partnership." [05:28] XRevan86 activelow: It worked for the bridge since the beginning though. [05:28] activelow first sasl auth on freenode classic failed with an onion in place, then the onion went down [05:28] XRevan86 Ah, classic [05:28] activelow they took this down one by one [05:28] schestowitz "We made mistakes as we started our dialogue with Mr. Lee, and these mistakes resulted in some knee-jerk decisions. In hindsight, we did not carefully consider this decision in advance with input from our volunteers and the community. We will seek to remain good friends with Freenode; we cannot stress enough how much the level of support shown to our project will mean to our mission and our ability to continue to work on that mission." [05:28] schestowitz all those blunders, one after the other, led to this [05:28] schestowitz freenode is its own biggest enemy at this point [05:29] XRevan86 activelow: I dropped the nicks on classic instantly, so I didn't notice anything. [05:29] schestowitz the number of votes here is rather small: https://bbs.freenode.net/ [05:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bbs.freenode.net | freenode BBS [05:29] schestowitz I mean, for all we know maybe only freenode staff voted [05:29] schestowitz and that staff won't have a job for long [05:29] XRevan86 And classic didn't really matter anyway. [05:30] schestowitz given the way the network is going [05:30] schestowitz maybe 2-3 salaries and that's it [05:30] activelow didn't touch anything, i didn't consent with my registration being handled like this, given the fact my official mail address was used correctly, add to this i am receiving some additional spam there now too [05:30] schestowitz https://chit.freenode.net/u/v8/68.html [05:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chit.freenode.net | v8 - Wednesday, June 9, 2021 at 2:37:32 GMT - freenode Chit [05:30] schestowitz " [05:30] schestowitz Friday, June 11, 2021 at 3:39:10 GMT [05:30] schestowitz kaniinichit rhymes with shit, don't cha know [05:30] schestowitz " [05:30] schestowitz lol, activelow [05:30] schestowitz Ariadne ^ [05:31] schestowitz no wonder they banned you [05:31] schestowitz but at this point, tbh, they discredit themselves [05:31] schestowitz the sooner they do less, the better [05:31] schestowitz because over the past 2-3 weeks, the more they did, the more harm was done [05:31] schestowitz banning people, taking over channels, wiping out the DB... [05:32] XRevan86 activelow: My perception is skewed by dodging such problems. [05:32] schestowitz the trump train awaits the next stop [05:32] XRevan86 activelow: But even then it's been horrible. [05:33] activelow XRevan86: i don't worry about anything, got other problems to think about than this child's play of self proclaimed prince [05:33] *mib_30pukx has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [05:34] XRevan86 activelow: I have a bridge to run on the contrast. [05:34] schestowitz I'm gonna start working on next EPO article, part 11 [05:34] XRevan86 It's been harder than I thought it would be %). [05:34] schestowitz it helps a lot though [05:34] activelow i could fiddle together a bridge if this was of desired [05:35] XRevan86 activelow: The problem isn't the bridge, it's the crappy network it connects to. [05:36] XRevan86 Let's just hope rasengan won't suddenly decide that inspircd actually sucks and freenode should try again on something else. [05:37] schestowitz it has been reduced to a brand [05:37] schestowitz and not a good one at that [05:37] schestowitz because people now mean new freenode when they use the brand [05:37] schestowitz and it's starting to rhyme with technical incompetence [05:37] schestowitz sadly. [05:38] activelow exactly, what was supposedly served by this service name isn't anymore, chances are UK law had a word to say about this too [05:39] XRevan86 schestowitz: It's not just a brand, it's also a domain name. [05:39] schestowitz with many things linking to it [05:39] *stormyknight3000 has quit (connection closed) [05:39] schestowitz which is why we can hope it will be redeemed [05:40] schestowitz like, if they manage to get their act together... if it's not too late [05:40] schestowitz this reminds me of what libreoffice did to openoffice [05:40] schestowitz and the name never passed [05:40] schestowitz but openoffice is still around [05:40] schestowitz full of flaws [05:40] schestowitz and some people still download it [05:40] XRevan86 schestowitz: Maybe Putin will realise his faults and I will live happily ever after from there on out. [05:41] XRevan86 Feels equally as likely. [05:41] schestowitz Putin will resign [05:41] schestowitz to give someone else the seat for one day [05:42] schestowitz then elect himself again [05:42] schestowitz to set the clock back to 9 [05:42] schestowitz 0 [05:42] XRevan86 schestowitz: No, that scheme is over. [05:42] schestowitz the tandemocracy [05:42] schestowitz now they pass new laws [05:42] XRevan86 But I can't predict the future that far [05:43] schestowitz it's about as likely as meduza's rss feed working again by month's end ^_^ [05:43] XRevan86 I can't be certain I'll be alive in the year 2038, what to say about what Putin's plan for then is. [05:44] XRevan86 A very bloody long time that is. [05:45] XRevan86 The 32-bit UNIX epoch will end sooner. [05:45] schestowitz that's ok, nukes will be used again by then [05:45] schestowitz while their system clock still functions correctly [05:46] XRevan86 Oh, wait, I'm mixing these two days because they're so similar and I haven't slept. [05:46] XRevan86 Putin's term ends in 2036, two years before the 32-bit epoch ends. [05:47] XRevan86 s/days/dates/ [05:47] activelow politics trigger me [05:47] schestowitz unix time was designed like that for a reason [05:47] schestowitz they knew putin would go crazy after 2036 [05:47] schestowitz so no need for more bits [05:47] schestowitz putin will do "his bit" [05:48] activelow doubt i'll survive that long [05:48] XRevan86 rasengan for president 2036 [05:48] DaemonFC https://heyjackass.com/ [05:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chicago Crime, Murder & Mayhem | Criminal Infographics | HeyJackass! | Illustrating Chicago Values [05:48] DaemonFC Facebook and most other "social" media banned Hey Jackass. [05:49] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #KrebsOnSecurity First American Financial Pays Farcical $500K Fine https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/06/first-american-financial-pays-farcical-500k-fine/ [05:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krebsonsecurity.com | First American Financial Pays Farcical $500K Fine Krebs on Security [05:49] XRevan86 Will MariaDB fix the TIMESTAMP data type by 2038 [05:50] activelow OpenBSD and Linux did to my knowledge, OpenBSD was first [05:50] DaemonFC I'm glad that the Democrats say they're the pro-labor party and then declared most workers to be non-essential. [05:50] DaemonFC "non-essential workers" [05:50] schestowitz what's even the meaning of "rasengan"? [05:50] DaemonFC Your job doesn't matter. Go home. Figure out how to deal with this shit on your own. [05:50] XRevan86 schestowitz: Pokmon I think. [05:51] schestowitz ok [05:51] DaemonFC Pokemon is dangerous. [05:51] XRevan86 Oh, it's Naruto. Should've checked. [05:52] DaemonFC That black serial killer that gunned down the Jewish man in Rogers Park. [05:52] DaemonFC Jewish guy wasn't paying attention because he had Pokemon Go open. [05:52] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naruto#/media/File:Naruto_Run.gif [05:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Naruto - Wikipedia [05:53] DaemonFC The non-essential then proceeded to shoot an elderly man who was walking his dog. [05:53] DaemonFC Rahm Emanuel sent in CPD and they gave me a warning ticket for failure to come to a complete stop at a sign. [05:54] activelow couldn't keep track of the crazyness anymore [05:54] XRevan86 schestowitz: I heard that it's a decent series. But I don't know. [05:55] XRevan86 Sounds a bit too soapy for my taste. [05:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 33.43 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 34.15 swarm size (avg): 290.64 ● Jun 19 [06:00] AdmFubar https://www.startpage.com/do/dsearch?query=rasengan&cat=web&pl=ext-ff&language=english&extVersion=1.3.0 [06:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.startpage.com | [06:01] DaemonFC https://www.npr.org/2021/06/17/1007690138/can-missouri-declare-federal-gun-laws-invalid [06:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.npr.org | Missouri Has Declared Federal Gun Laws Invalid. Can It Do That? : NPR [06:01] DaemonFC "Missouri has new a law" [06:01] DaemonFC Proofreading.... [06:02] AdmFubar https://www.alternet.org/2021/06/greene-atf/ [06:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Rep. Greene files bill to eliminate ATF then attacks Biden over drug cartels which ATF targets and investigates - Alternet.org [06:03] AdmFubar https://arstechnica.com/?p=1774550 [06:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Ring gave cops free cameras to build and promote surveillance network | Ars Technica [06:03] AdmFubar https://arstechnica.com/?p=1774437 [06:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Newly discovered Vigilante malware outs software pirates and blocks them | Ars Technica [06:04] AdmFubar https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/fake-darkside-gang-targets-energy-food-industry-in-extortion-emails/ [06:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Fake DarkSide gang targets energy, food industry in extortion emails [06:04] schestowitz AdmFubar: just so that you are aware, startpage is spying [06:05] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Startpage [06:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Startpage - Techrights [06:05] AdmFubar https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/russia-bans-opera-vpn-and-vyprvpn-classifies-them-as-threats/ [06:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Russia bans Opera VPN and VyprVPN, classifies them as threats [06:05] schestowitz threats to Russia or to Putin? [06:05] AdmFubar hell who isn't? [06:05] AdmFubar :P [06:06] schestowitz startpage is lying about it [06:06] schestowitz it used to be OK [06:06] schestowitz but silently it defected [06:06] schestowitz we had whistleblowers [06:07] DaemonFC https://www.npr.org/2021/06/18/1008242159/11-u-s-mayors-commit-to-developing-pilot-projects-for-reparations [06:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.npr.org | 11 Mayors From Los Angeles To Asheville Vow To Create Reparations Pilot Programs : NPR [06:07] DaemonFC All black town..... (Not racist....you just can't move there if you're white.) [06:07] DaemonFC Well if they want to tax themselves to pay money to each other, I guess whatever.... [06:07] DaemonFC Thanks to NPR for the list of cities not to move to. [06:08] activelow i became accustomed to it, when cycling being attacked, stones thrown at my window, physically attacked [06:08] DaemonFC I'm glad we got rid of Mayor Cunningham or Waukegan might have been next to lay down crippling taxes and debt to pay reparations to people who were never harmed. [06:08] DaemonFC They're a legal fiction. [06:08] activelow besides the usual bureaucratic tyranny, which remains compliant with law formally [06:09] activelow germany 2021 [06:09] DaemonFC Government terrorizing citizens pretty even handedly. [06:09] DaemonFC Why don't I get reparations? I've been badly mistreated by the police. [06:10] activelow ah yes, police followed me for a while too, don't give a whatever [06:13] DaemonFC They tormented Ian Murdock into suicide. Nobody said anything because he was white. [06:14] activelow what was "white" supposed to be? [06:15] activelow other than that it isn't "white", it is something else [06:15] DaemonFC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Order_No._3 [06:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | General Order No. 3 - Wikipedia [06:16] DaemonFC Juneteenth celebrates this. Notice the part where it says "they will not be supported in idleness". [06:16] DaemonFC Man, well, moving right along. [06:17] DaemonFC advised to seek employment and work for wages [06:17] AdmFubar whelp off tobed night all [06:17] techrights-bot/fn ...quite a few so-called 'IP' publications, including #IAM and #ManagingIP , are proudly abetting crime and #corruption at the #epo ... how do they sleep at night? With a bundle of cash (stolen money, crime money) under their pillows... right, Joff Wild? [06:17] DaemonFC Man, the people who wrote this would be spinning in their graves if they saw Juneteenth because a federal holiday over looters and arsonists. [06:18] DaemonFC The torching of Kenosha, I mean.....They didn't even steal things from most of those places. They just burned the city. [06:19] DaemonFC They act like white people are "domestic terrorists" because of occupying a wildlife refuge visitor center for a few days over donuts and coffee. [06:19] DaemonFC They send in the ATF over that and murder people. [06:20] DaemonFC I was watching the Bundy thing. I was saying "They're not doing anything menacing, but the ATF is going to come in and kill everyone.". [06:20] DaemonFC Well, I was close, they killed one of them. [06:20] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has left #techrights [06:21] DaemonFC They're lucky the government wanted the building back I guess or they'd have rammed it with a tank and then firebombed it. [06:21] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [06:35] techrights-bot/fn #teamUPC lobbying for #swpats and working for #microsoft #patentTrolls : http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Intellectual_Ventures https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1405931376566849545 [06:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intellectual Ventures - Techrights [06:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: Proudly working for patent trolls: "Renowned partner and litigator Julien Frneaux, for instance, represents NPE In https://t.co/U3gIaBIFLR [06:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: Proudly working for patent trolls: "Renowned partner and litigator Julien Frneaux, for instance, represents NPE In https://t.co/U3gIaBIFLR [06:37] techrights-bot/fn #EPO Virtual Injustice Part 11: Perceptive Comments and Caustic Criticism http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/epo-eba-criticism/ #corruption #europe #patents #kangarooCourts [06:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Virtual Injustice Part 11: Perceptive Comments and Caustic Criticism | Techrights [06:50] techrights-bot/fn TIL some anti-abortion activists are so detached from reality that they oppose abortion of tiny embryos while FIERCELY defending the killing of ACTUAL babies. Baby cows... I sort of 'went viral' in #twitter for this... [06:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 30.06 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.78 swarm size (avg): 291.67 ● Jun 19 [07:03] techrights-bot/fn The #EPO s management managed to silence a lot of the critical media (handouts and threats from Benot #Battistelli and #AntnioCampinos ), but silencing comments is a lot harder; though we dont know which ones were moderated out of existence http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/epo-eba-criticism/ [07:33] activelow tons of documents to read. [07:33] activelow patents and anything which is weaponized against free software and the personalities involved it seems. [07:34] *job has quit (connection closed) [07:35] activelow it is a battle fought on the backs of developers and the young generation educated. [07:35] schestowitz activelow: if you are de-based, you can help us [07:35] schestowitz because that's near the EPO, the epicenter [07:36] activelow de-based? [07:36] schestowitz .de [07:36] activelow ok [07:36] *job (~job@42cscff4sp33s.irc) has joined #techrights [07:36] schestowitz merkel has a lot in this [07:36] schestowitz because they have a cash cow [07:36] schestowitz the hidden cost of the cash cow is [07:37] schestowitz 1) patent trolls targeting the country [07:37] schestowitz 2) demise of the law, promotion of bad patents [07:38] activelow strong focus on patent law, my scope is slightly different: author's rights. [07:39] activelow and the consequences of the corruption involved with anything software/educational related. [07:43] activelow with the background of the sell-out of east-german science and their youth [07:44] activelow and the socio-economic blessings of Merkel's decisions [07:46] schestowitz copyright law then? [07:46] schestowitz you should combat the Germany copyright cartel [07:46] schestowitz like Verlag [07:46] schestowitz Spiegel [07:46] schestowitz iirc, Elsevier is Dutch [07:47] schestowitz Amsterdam, Netherlands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsevier [07:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Elsevier - Wikipedia [07:47] *job has quit (connection closed) [07:48] schestowitz Berlin/Heidelberg, Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springer_Science%2BBusiness_Media [07:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Springer Science+Business Media - Wikipedia [07:48] schestowitz they rip off scientists [07:49] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Springer [07:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Julius Springer - Wikipedia [07:49] schestowitz "Springer was from 1867 to 1873 president of the German Booksellers and Publishers Association. From 1869 until his death, Springer was a member of the Berlin city assembly. In addition, he was one of the pioneers of national and international copyright law." [07:49] activelow maybe, one example, I had applied at BaFin (was involved with Bonn headquarters before, German Telecom), provided my application documents, they scrape off desired data and place vacancies as desired, minor incidents which sum up to remarkable damange in total [07:49] schestowitz Oddly short [07:49] schestowitz I reckon some bad past there [07:49] schestowitz hence the brevity of info about him [07:49] activelow BaFin is german finance supervision, other "public-private" institutions act similar, such as a contract with German Telecom i archived for that matter [07:50] activelow Microsoft [07:50] schestowitz Didn't know they're now known as "Business Media" [07:50] schestowitz From science [07:50] schestowitz it became "Business Media" [07:50] schestowitz all about money [07:51] activelow data scrapers at employment agency [07:52] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [07:53] schestowitz http://techrights.org/irc/ changed for better clarity [07:53] *job (~job@42cscff4sp33s.irc) has joined #techrights [07:55] techrights-bot/fn The page http://techrights.org/irc/ has just been changed for better clarity. It shows the latest in #techrights IRC channel... [07:58] Techrights-sec Yes, the pipes help. There is extra space after the time stamp though. [07:59] schestowitz I've just changed the pipe type and removed the spare space, so now the line are contiguous [07:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 39.83 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 42.30 swarm size (avg): 292.89 [07:59] schestowitz should be visible after next cron run [07:59] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Jun 19 [08:01] schestowitz [08:04] *activelow (~activelow@2kk6i2ed9nk9s.irc) has joined #techrights [08:04] activelow sorry schestowitz , "something" cut my circuit [08:05] Techrights-sec Thanks [08:05] Techrights-sec I wonder about the date format, too. MAybe ISO 8601 would be better. It would [08:05] Techrights-sec take fewer columns [08:05] Techrights-sec especially without dashes [08:07] schestowitz I can remove the date altogether with cut [08:07] activelow nothing urgent [08:08] activelow the best part of their methods was to threaten me with incarceration [08:09] activelow seems something else is preventing them from doing it [08:11] Ariadne inspircd is a decent ircd, but inspircd's maintainer is not terribly interested in helping andrew [08:12] Ariadne something about destroying an irc network is going to make irc devs squeamish on giving him help [08:13] schestowitz yeah [08:17] Techrights-sec Removing the date might be ok, if the file is only one date. Is it alll [08:17] Techrights-sec one date or a rolling 24-hour log? [08:17] Techrights-sec I thought about doing a rotation of files [08:25] schestowitz does anyone know how to align with tabbing in plain text where the strings vary by more than 2-3 chars [08:26] schestowitz if that is possible without actually analysing the text [08:28] schestowitz I think there's a trick [08:35] Techrights-sec A 24-hour cache might be very nice to have. [08:35] Techrights-sec Otherwise, sometimes at the start of a new file, some or all of the context [08:35] Techrights-sec is missing to the first line or lines. [08:36] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux #Commodore64 + Raspberry Pi 4 = Synth6581 https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/commodore-64-raspberry-pi-4-synth6581/ [08:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Commodore 64 + Raspberry Pi 4 = Synth6581 - Raspberry Pi [08:38] schestowitz I'm getting closer now... [08:40] schestowitz I will add a pseudo menu at the top and bottom [08:44] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #Triller Sues #YourEXTRA YouTube Channel For Jake Paul Fight Piracy https://torrentfreak.com/triller-sues-yourextra-youtube-channel-for-jake-paul-fight-piracy-210618/ [08:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Triller Sues YourEXTRA YouTube Channel For Jake Paul Fight Piracy * TorrentFreak [08:44] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights Mysterious Malware Blocks The #PirateBay and Other Pirate Sites https://torrentfreak.com/mysterious-malware-blocks-the-pirate-bay-and-other-pirate-sites-210618/ [08:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mysterious Malware Blocks The Pirate Bay and Other Pirate Sites * TorrentFreak [08:45] techrights-bot/fn Try quantum computing with this open source software development kit http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152453 [08:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Try quantum computing with this open source software development kit | Tux Machines [08:45] techrights-bot/fn This week in KDE: Expandable tooltips and more http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152454 [08:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This week in KDE: Expandable tooltips and more | Tux Machines [08:45] techrights-bot/fn Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152455 [08:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [08:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 37.23 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.73 swarm size (avg): 294.29 ● Jun 19 [09:00] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:00] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:10] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [09:11] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [09:22] schestowitz we could periodically sync that across to gemini, but I doubt this would be accessed quite as much and thus worth it. It's a plain text file [09:29] techrights-bot/fn #IRC Proceedings: Friday, June 18, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/irc-log-180621/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/19/irc-log-180621/ [09:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Friday, June 18, 2021 | Techrights [09:31] schestowitz OK, done for now: http://techrights.org/irc/ [09:31] schestowitz Ariadne: ^^ [09:33] schestowitz that file can be fetched using wget periodically, for those without an irc client or anything but a terminal with curl/wget/similar [09:47] Techrights-sec gemini alreadt has the logs though, that is probably enough [09:47] Techrights-sec I see it is a text file. That makes it fast. [09:55] schestowitz gemini://gemini.techrights.org/chat [09:55] schestowitz linked in two places in the capsule now [09:59] schestowitz gemini isn't a 'push' protocol per se, so I don't expect to make a read/write gemini interface for IRC, although with cgi and something like ii it is doable for sure ● Jun 19 [10:01] techrights-bot/fn Potential project: make #irc work over #geminiProtocol with support for writing into a channel. So far I have it running in read-only mode gemini://gemini.techrights.org/chat [10:03] schestowitz if agate can deal with cgi in its latest version, then users of gemini can enter lines into IRC, over ii, through the gemini client/capsule [10:13] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:13] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:14] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [10:14] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [10:30] schestowitz how's this for info/doc drop: [10:30] schestowitz techrights iframe with secure and anonymous node [10:31] schestowitz people type into it (spam a risk) and that gets relayed from that node into irc [10:32] schestowitz or over ssh. ssh -> host -> ii -> irc [10:38] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Techdirt #Internet Letting Newspapers Band Together To Demand Payments From Internet Companies Is Bad For The Internet And Bad For Journalism https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210617/09403347006/letting-newspapers-band-together-to-demand-payments-internet-companies-is-bad-internet-bad-journalism.shtml [10:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Letting Newspapers Band Together To Demand Payments From Internet Companies Is Bad For The Internet And Bad For Journalism | Techdirt [10:48] activelow slightly irritated that the circuit dropped, not critical at all yet it is a doubled-socksified line [10:50] activelow if anything on the side of techright intended i silence i take no offense, yet the circuit dropped somewhere in between which should be impossible to trace back to my side here (if freenode didn't monitor me idling there with a similar nick) [10:51] *asusbox2 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [10:51] *asusbox (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [10:54] Techrights-sec Not sure. [10:54] Techrights-sec iframes are always a bad idea [10:55] activelow it is a socks-in-socks setup, and it was the circuit dropped which arrived at techrights IRC endpoint [10:56] activelow had to flush the entire onion directory cache of it [10:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 34.33 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 13.33 swarm size (avg): 295.24 ● Jun 19 [11:01] kingoffrance re: linking, dont trust me check yourself as my memory may be hazy and misinterpreting, i remember greenwald said in a book (in response to accusations of profitting off of snowden leaks) that was required to be considered a "journalist" and perhaps even required to allow "legally" publishing "classified" things. there is some sort of "journalist" test. point being, this kind of makes sense, normal person is not a journalist, unpaid person is [11:01] kingoffrance not a journalist, the test is apparently some sort of "does this regularly for money" thing [11:02] kingoffrance professional == gets paid [11:02] kingoffrance unprofessional == not being paid [11:03] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Techdirt #Monopolies No, 'Big Tech' Should Not Give 'Big Telecom' Billions Of Dollars For No Reason https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210615/09154446994/no-big-tech-should-not-give-big-telecom-billions-dollars-no-reason.shtml [11:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No, 'Big Tech' Should Not Give 'Big Telecom' Billions Of Dollars For No Reason | Techdirt [11:04] kingoffrance it does seem like "rent seeking" [11:04] schestowitz activelow: what's that about? [11:05] schestowitz nothing was dropped [11:06] kingoffrance honestly, i dont know, but what is preventing newspapers from creating their own walled gardens? i guess, i dont see why they need special assistance. if they want to be paid for every link, they can make their own "web" [11:06] kingoffrance and indeed, many things already do this, e.g. academic papers [11:07] kingoffrance many many many news you need to log in/subscribe etc. so, i dont know who this is even meant to protect [11:08] kingoffrance or 3 free articles a month, whatever [11:08] activelow schestowitz: someone had cut a socksified line here, the moment my mind snapped about business entities [11:09] activelow if this wasn't triggered by techrights it must have been someone else, i'll disconnect for that reason from freenode now [11:09] techrights-bot/fn Now #redhat site open source dot com is hyping up the latest #marketing #papourware of #ibm ... as if the site can only continue to exist as a PR rag of IBM [11:14] activelow LC disconnected [11:14] schestowitz for all? [11:15] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #CounterPunch #wikileaks #assange #FreePress Julian Assange Rots in Jail as U.S. Slaughters #FirstAmendment https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/18/julian-assange-rots-in-jail-as-u-s-slaughters-first-amendment/ [11:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Julian Assange Rots in Jail as U.S. Slaughters First Amendment - CounterPunch.org [11:16] activelow i don't trust neither freenode nor LC [11:17] schestowitz LC is former freenode staff [11:17] schestowitz freenode is people who put them off [11:18] schestowitz seems to me like lots of ego and control attempts [11:18] schestowitz maybe to gain control over what thoughts are impermissible. That's what Twitter and Facebook do. [11:18] schestowitz When you control the platform you become a communications filter and can impact outcomes. [11:18] schestowitz This is why the US army has been sinking so much money into "tech" [11:19] schestowitz it's about maintaining dominance at every level [11:19] kingoffrance ^ [11:19] activelow ^ [11:20] kingoffrance catch-22 movie, from imdb quotes: [first lines] Lt. Col. Korn, XO: [speaking to Yossarian] All you have to do is be our pal. Colonel Cathcart: Say nice things about us. Lt. Col. Korn, XO: Tell the folks at home what a good job we're doing. Take our offer Yossarian. Colonel Cathcart: Either that or a court-martial for desertion. [11:21] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #CommonDreams Tough Truths Are Desperately Needed About America's Lost Wars https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/06/18/tough-truths-are-desperately-needed-about-americas-lost-wars [11:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Tough Truths Are Desperately Needed About America's Lost Wars | William Astore [11:22] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Techdirt #PatentTrolls 15 Universities Have Formed A Company That Looks Remarkably Like A #PatentTroll https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210617/22294447011/15-universities-have-formed-company-that-looks-remarkably-like-patent-troll.shtml [11:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-15 Universities Have Formed A Company That Looks Remarkably Like A Patent Troll | Techdirt [11:24] kingoffrance well im trying to imagine llink tax would only apply to giant monopolies, and imagining it wont be a gateway to further things, and having a difficult time [11:24] kingoffrance im trying to give them benefit of the doubt, and failing [11:24] kingoffrance and trying to imagine any reader of "news" lobbied for this [11:25] immibis the link tax would go away faster with accelerationism. Just let them make the tax, let every internet company block Australia, wait until Australia wants its internet back, and no more link tax. Ever, anywhere. [11:32] immibis (or in the 0.1% chance that a link tax turns out to be good for the economy and not bad like everyone thinks, it stays and so does Australia's internet) [11:35] techrights-bot/fn #righttorepair https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/right-to-repair-introduced-federally-for:7 [11:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Right to Repair introduced FEDERALLY for the first time! ? [11:35] techrights-bot/fn Investors in technology need to pay attention to corporate governance https://www.economist.com/leaders/2021/06/19/investors-in-technology-need-to-pay-attention-to-corporate-governance [11:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Investors in technology need to pay attention to corporate governance | The Economist [11:36] techrights-bot/fn Joe #Manchin gets hoodwinked again: Why does he keep falling for the Republican con? https://www.salon.com/2021/06/18/joe-manchin-gets-hoodwinked--again-why-does-he-keep-falling-for-the-republican-con/ [11:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Joe Manchin gets hoodwinked again: Why does he keep falling for the Republican con? | Salon.com [11:37] kingoffrance some things never change. How was I supposed to know there was going to be a glut? Yossarian: Milo, people can't eat cotton! 1st Lt. Milo Minderbinder: They've got to - it's for the Syndicate! [11:41] Techrights-sec "" [11:41] Techrights-sec 10:18:46 schestowitz When you control the platform you become a communications filter and can impact outcomes. [11:41] Techrights-sec "" [11:41] Techrights-sec faecebook [11:41] schestowitz that's what some IRC networks are becoming, or being destroyed for [11:44] activelow I advice precision here: network is the infrastructure (including telco), IRC is an application layer service, with which participants communicate [11:45] activelow consumer access lines of the network infrastructure is crippled (dyndns, no static ip, and recently carrier grade NAT horror, force to use specific home-routers etc.) [11:45] schestowitz https://blog.mageia.org/en/2021/06/19/irc-channels-migration/ [11:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mageia.org | IRC channels migration | Mageia Blog (English) [11:45] activelow so telco can prevent individual consumers and small business from operating their OWN services on top of the infrastructure [11:47] techrights-bot/fn "I really don't need donations. It is really my pleasure to upload blog reports about EasyOS, Puppy, DIY hiking gear, and all the rest that have posted about." https://bkhome.org/news/202106/donation-button-removed.html [11:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bkhome.org | Donation button removed [11:48] activelow at the application layer (irc services, mail etc, fb,tweets) such were monopolized, "cloud" henceforth consumers and small business cannot control this either anymore [11:49] activelow and finally total control over the communication of humans is gained, since all communication channels (TV, Radio, Newspapers, ...) source their material from the same centralized/coordinated origin [11:51] activelow individual devices are fully tapped and locked, both hardware(BIOS, platform init, usb, firmware) and software (dbus, javascript) at all layers, all operating systems directly or indirectly by supervisors implemented [11:58] activelow this has the following legal implications: network operators are not permitted to implement *mass* surveillance, they collect connectivity data (DNS, IP, dialin, phone connections) [11:59] activelow services are subject to content regulation, and police or agencies must distinguish if either network/online data is collected of surveillance of an individual device is permitted (heavy crimes) ● Jun 19 [12:00] activelow with regards to content regulation legislation was tightened recently to "sanction delegtimization of government" (germany), to tap individual devices "permissive online and offline surveillance" was passed [12:03] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:03] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:05] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [12:07] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [12:09] XRevan86 Nothing disconnected for me. [12:09] techrights-bot/fn "For nearly one decade there has been talk of #UPower 1.0 while in 2021 that still has yet to materialize for this former "DeviceKit-Power" project but at least now there is UPower v0.99.12 as the first release in two years." https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=UPower-0.99.12-Released [12:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nearly A Decade Later, UPower Still Working Towards 1.0 Release - Phoronix [12:11] techrights-bot/fn Oracle Sends Out Latest Linux Patches So Trenchboot Can Securely Launch The Kernel - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Trenchboot-Linux-Patches-v2 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/19/#latest [12:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Oracle Sends Out Latest Linux Patches So Trenchboot Can Securely Launch The Kernel - Phoronix [12:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [12:13] techrights-bot/fn Digi ConnectCore 8M Mini SOM and Mini Development Kit for Industrial IoT Applications - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/06/19/digi-connectcore-8m-mini-som-and-mini-development-kit-for-industrial-iot-applications/ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/19/#latest [12:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Digi ConnectCore 8M Mini SOM and Mini Development Kit for Industrial IoT Applications - CNX Software [12:14] techrights-bot/fn Steam on ChromeOS: Not a Rumor Anymore - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/steam-on-chromeos-not-a-rumor-anymore/ #boilingsteam | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/19/#latest [12:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | Steam on ChromeOS: Not a Rumor Anymore - Boiling Steam [12:33] immibis " and finally total control over the communication of humans is gained, since all communication channels (TV, Radio, Newspapers, ...) source their material from the same centralized/coordinated origin" [12:33] immibis they had this total control in the past. And that was the golden age of productivity and wages [12:34] immibis in fact, it has been the case for most of human history. Only now are we seeing social media as an important player [12:42] XRevan86 > lode: For the longest time, freenode has been uttely dscouraged (?) of IRC, before Andrew came along, it was one of the worst places that ye could chat, it was like a miserable hellpit full of operator abuse, people stealing your channels, nerds telling you what ye couldn't talk about, it was just wretched, and that's all going to change, hopefully, thanks to Andrew [12:42] XRevan86 The interview starts very strongly. [12:42] XRevan86 With this kind of start, I may be able to watch the whole thing. [12:45] schestowitz is this the one from earlier? [12:45] XRevan86 schestowitz: There's another one? [12:45] schestowitz If Freenode is FOSS, then... [12:45] schestowitz it's not political [12:46] schestowitz at least not purely [12:46] schestowitz maybe some people want ot turned into a rightwing propaganda outlet [12:46] schestowitz with the reputation that it gained from Free software [12:46] XRevan86 The first question is a good one, and turns out, freenode, Ltd. was acquired for "an indisclosed amount". Coming in strong. [12:47] schestowitz maybe almost nothing [12:47] XRevan86 > l0de: I was actually surprised ye didn't charge *them* money to take freenode off of their hands [12:47] schestowitz maybe a bribe to the steward/ess [12:48] XRevan86 I am impressed with the boldness of this yes-manning [12:48] immibis this channel is a rightwing propagand outlet [12:48] XRevan86 Now he's shitting on Christel for no reason whatsoever. [12:49] immibis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHsbUBA-j_c the interview (starts 4:11) [12:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LRH 499.7 - WTCNDE - YouTube [12:49] techrights-bot/fn Links 19/6/2021: Wine 6.11 and Proton 6.3-5 RC http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/proton-6-3-5-rc/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/19/proton-6-3-5-rc/ [12:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 19/6/2021: Wine 6.11 and Proton 6.3-5 RC | Techrights [12:51] techrights-bot/fn Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152456 [12:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [12:51] XRevan86 immibis: Why do ye say that? [12:52] schestowitz whose channel? [12:52] XRevan86 Because I quoted these noble people? [12:52] schestowitz the youtube one? [12:52] schestowitz not this one.. [12:52] schestowitz unless one judges by some troll-ish lurkers and provocateurs [12:52] techrights-bot/fn #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152457 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [12:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [12:53] XRevan86 the next bit is so insane, I don't know if I can quote it [12:53] immibis ~half the discussion in this channel is from those lurkers and provocateurs [12:53] techrights-bot/fn #ProprietarySoftware Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152462 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [12:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux Machines [12:53] schestowitz they should use -social [12:53] schestowitz we don't do wings [12:53] schestowitz we do tech [12:54] schestowitz some people flood the channel with their BS [12:54] schestowitz and we ask them not to [12:54] techrights-bot/fn Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152463 [12:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [12:54] techrights-bot/fn #Kernel : Oracle, UPower, and Linux Plumbers Conference http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152461 [12:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Oracle, UPower, and Linux Plumbers Conference | Tux Machines [12:55] techrights-bot/fn #RedHat / Fedora Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152460 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [12:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines [12:55] techrights-bot/fn #OpenHardware / #Modding Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152459 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [12:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware/Modding Leftovers | Tux Machines [12:55] techrights-bot/fn #FreeSoftware Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152458 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [12:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software Leftovers | Tux Machines [12:57] schestowitz activelow: is this l0de freenode staff? [12:57] schestowitz like crystalMath claimed? [12:57] schestowitz in which case, it might be someone 'interviewing' the boss [12:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 32.21 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 43.75 swarm size (avg): 296.59 [12:59] techrights-bot/fn KDE Gets Expandable Tooltips, Larger Clipboard, More Wayland Fixes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152454#comment-29991 ● Jun 19 [13:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This week in KDE: Expandable tooltips and more | Tux Machines [13:01] techrights-bot/fn #Microsoft with its #DRM is a waste of time for #KDE ; better to focus on #BSD and GNU/Linux https://kate-editor.org/post/2021/2021-06-19-kde-ev-windows-store-statistics/ [13:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kate-editor.org | KDE e.V. Windows Store Statistics - Kate [13:01] immibis l0de is not freenode staff afaik [13:01] schestowitz anyway, the little I saw of that thing, live, was insane [13:02] schestowitz makes it look like a bunch of lunatics and frauds took over that network [13:02] schestowitz and it's worrying, though I am glad the dependence is mostly gone [13:02] XRevan86 schestowitz: "makes it look" there's no need for that soft language. [13:03] schestowitz it was just concealed for a while [13:03] schestowitz one wonders what that means for Shells [13:03] schestowitz when I first saw their paid-for puff pieces I scoffed a bit [13:03] schestowitz and that was a long time ago [13:03] schestowitz I can see the appeal of Trump to such pepople [13:03] schestowitz pretending to be important and rich [13:04] schestowitz no matter is reality os bankruptcy and debt [13:04] schestowitz and hoping to miraculously pull it off one day [13:04] schestowitz and like Bernie Madoff, they might charm some people along the way [13:04] schestowitz like christel [13:04] schestowitz asking for a job and such [13:04] schestowitz I saw this in 3 places [13:04] schestowitz Saudi, China, and US [13:04] schestowitz oh, Italy also [13:05] schestowitz one day a big millionaire, the next day bankrupt [13:05] schestowitz keeping up appearances [13:07] techrights-bot/fn #Libzip 1.8 Released With Support For #Zstd Compressed ZIP Files - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Libzip-1.8-Released #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/19/#latest [13:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Libzip 1.8 Released With Support For Zstd Compressed ZIP Files - Phoronix [13:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [13:10] XRevan86 schestowitz: And then l0de makes jokes to rasengan that christel is disgusting, about which he has no objection. [13:10] XRevan86 What a success story. [13:11] techrights-bot/fn Heres Why Switching to Linux Makes Sense in 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152464 [13:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Heres Why Switching to Linux Makes Sense in 2021 | Tux Machines [13:11] Ariadne i dont think insulting christel's looks is useful [13:12] XRevan86 I can't believe this disgusting man made a good first impression on me. [13:12] Ariadne theres plenty of not nice things which can be said about christel while still punching above the belt [13:12] XRevan86 (I mean rasengan) [13:12] Ariadne l0de is going to be l0de [13:12] Ariadne no point in even complaining at this point [13:12] Ariadne he is a known quantity [13:13] schestowitz what's lode's backround at all? [13:13] schestowitz ANother ManWithWebcam Youtube channel? [13:13] Ariadne l0de used to be a GNAA groupie [13:13] schestowitz ewww [13:13] schestowitz some company [13:13] Ariadne uhh, GNAA was a trolling group [13:13] schestowitz maybe next stop is a guest at weev [13:13] Ariadne they took over rob levin's o:line [13:13] Ariadne back in 2005 [13:13] Ariadne ratbert or whatever [13:14] techrights-bot/fn #PostgreSQL Related Releases http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152465 [13:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PostgreSQL Related Releases | Tux Machines [13:14] Ariadne GNAA split into several splinter groups, one being PP4L (i can explain the acronym if you really want to know, but i assure you that you don't) [13:14] Ariadne l0de is with PP4L [13:15] *schestowitz notes all this becomes visible also in FN, but our logs are public regardless [13:15] Ariadne he shouted them out frequently on the show [13:15] Ariadne well, schestowitz i don't think it is uncommon knowledge that l0de is part of a group called "penis pump 4 life" [13:16] schestowitz sounds like incels [13:16] Ariadne i honestly don't know about that [13:16] Ariadne i just know that they ddos efnet users/servers/etc [13:16] Ariadne when they dont get what they want [13:16] schestowitz OK, Daily Links posted, am taking a short break now [13:17] schestowitz then epo [13:17] XRevan86 schestowitz: l0de looks like a fairly social person in the interview. Just a hateful jerk as well. [13:17] Ariadne well his whole "thing" [13:17] Ariadne is being a racist edgelord troll [13:17] Ariadne so, i mean [13:19] immibis as long as he's trolling in favour of the reasonable side [13:19] Ariadne well, no, really we should all reject his trolling [13:20] Ariadne but, collectively, the community didn't [13:20] Ariadne probably because we are in general over andy's shit [13:20] Ariadne and wanted to see him get utterly demolished [13:20] Ariadne which i would definitely say happened [13:20] Ariadne that interview did not go well, really it was a goddamn tragedy [13:21] XRevan86 https://dm.reddit.com/r/backtickbot/comments/o033su here l0de is described as a quasi-staffer. [13:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dm.reddit.com | https://np.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/nzm272/the_linux_channel_was_seized_by_freenode/h1sx9l6/ : backtickbot [13:21] Ariadne but again, if he wants to go on l0de radio hour and get utterly owned, who am i to argue [13:23] XRevan86 Oh there are allegations that Lee is into cocaine? Is that because he sounds high as heck? [13:23] immibis XRevan86: yes he was sued over it [13:23] immibis among other reasons for suing him [13:24] immibis well, the reason for suing him is he promised to pay some people and didn't [13:25] Ariadne to be clear: it is *alleged* that he uses cocaine, not *proven* as of yet [13:25] Ariadne and i dont really care about his coke habit :p [13:27] XRevan86 He's high on *something* [13:28] XRevan86 "the freenode autonomous zone" the hecking what [13:33] XRevan86 Ariadne: Have ye ever heard the term "internal ban" before? [13:34] Ariadne no [13:35] XRevan86 rasengan on the nickname database purge: "it is what it is" [13:35] XRevan86 from 18:29 [13:36] XRevan86 even l0de laughed at that [13:46] XRevan86 > (00:23:48) rasengan: In the next week or two we're going to continue, ye know, finding toxic channels and closing them down. [13:46] XRevan86 schestowitz: danger, danger %) [13:46] XRevan86 It's not over. [13:47] schestowitz "Toxic" [13:47] *schestowitz burps up coke [13:49] techrights-bot/fn They mean #patents rather than ownership and patents are nor ownership https://www.osborneclarke.com/insights/car-wars-tech-ownership-battles-will-decide-future-leaders-autonomous-vehicles/ [13:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.osborneclarke.com | Car wars: how tech ownership battles will decide the future leaders of autonomous vehicles - Osborne Clarke | Osborne Clarke [13:51] techrights-bot/fn Fraudsters who run the #EPO pretend to be champions of science by giving prize to actual scientists https://www.socialpost.news/chemist-robert-grass-of-vorarlberg-received-the-european-inventor-prize/ see http://techrights.org/2021/05/04/epo-eia-hush-money/ [13:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.socialpost.news | Chemist Robert Grass of Vorarlberg received the European Inventor Prize [13:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Already Wasting Money on Media Manipulation Campaigns for European Inventor Award | Techrights [13:53] techrights-bot/fn #patents that kill https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/953229 [13:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.medscape.com | How Patent Extensions Keep Some Drug Costs High [13:53] *kingoffrance .oO( parallel universe xkcd: "to disable the bomb, simply think of a future where a pay-to-link law will not be abused outside its original scope. you have 10 seconds" kof: ... "kof?" kof: im so sorry ) [13:55] techrights-bot/fn #Patents are not rights, but lawyers love deluding themselves and misleading the public https://www.carpmaels.com/restoring-inadvertently-lapsed-patent-rights-in-europe/ [13:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Restoring inadvertently-lapsed patent rights in Europe - Carpmaels & Ransford [13:56] techrights-bot/fn There is no such thing as "EU patent office". This is worse than a joke! https://www.latestly.com/socially/world/europes-top-court-annulled-a-decision-by-the-eu-patent-office-to-limit-the-scope-of-u-s-latest-tweet-by-reuters-2556479.html [13:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Europe's Top Court Annulled a Decision by the EU Patent Office to Limit the Scope of U.S. ... - Latest Tweet by Reuters | LatestLY ● Jun 19 [14:00] techrights-bot/fn Some of the nutty #patent lawyers want #patents to last for a lifetime https://shelstonip.com/insights/publications/dead-or-alive-statuses-patent-expiries-and-kind-codes-part-1/ see http://techrights.org/2018/04/22/shelston-ip-patent-lobbying/ http://techrights.org/2017/09/22/shelston-ip-swpats-rant/ http://techrights.org/2017/11/15/government-australia-fixes-policy/ http://techrights [14:00] techrights-bot/fn .org/2016/05/14/australia-kills-softwar [14:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Empty reply from server ( status 0 @ https://shelstonip.com/insights/publications/dead-or-alive-statuses-patent-expiries-and-kind-codes-part-1/ ) [14:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Shelston IP Keeps Pressuring IP Australia to Allow Software Patents and Harm Software Development | Techrights [14:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Shelston IP Blames Well-Organised and Appropriately-Connected Open Source Lobby for Ban on Software Patents | Techrights [14:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Australia is Banning Software Patents and Shelston IP is Complaining as Usual | Techrights [14:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Welcome to Techrights [14:01] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@cgxaa8qnj3y4i.irc) has joined #techrights [14:05] techrights-bot/fn "The problem with all those COVID Zoom meetings was the incredible boredom of listening to people lying about how busy they were with all the work they were doing from home." https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/04/bofh_2021_episode_6/ [14:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | BOFH: I'm so pleased to be on the call, Boss. No, of course this isn't a recording The Register [14:09] techrights-bot/fn Microsoft booster surprised? "According to research from Beyond Trust, the total number of vulnerabilities relating to Microsoft products had risen by 48% comparted to 2019. To break the numbers down, I looked to my go-to for vulnerability statistics, Stack Watch." https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2021/06/19/new-windows-10-security-shock-as-1000-vulnerabilities-revealed/ see h [14:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | Windows 10 Security: 1,000 Vulnerabilities Surpass Apple and Google [14:09] techrights-bot/fn ttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Mic [14:09] DaemonFC schestowitz, "A global action plan from the World Health Organization has created a stir over a section advising that "women of childbearing age" should be prevented from drinking alcohol." [14:10] schestowitz off topic [14:10] DaemonFC Uncle Bill's WHO says women should "be prevented" from drinking alcohol if they're of childbearing age. [14:10] schestowitz ->>>> -social [14:11] immibis (he means #boycottnovell-social) [14:11] schestowitz yes [14:12] schestowitz we don't talk about women's health and booze here [14:12] schestowitz it would distract me and everyone else [14:12] schestowitz I'm doing some gemini-related coding atm [14:12] DaemonFC More of Uncle Bill's social manipulations, though. [14:12] schestowitz if someone wants to help, holler [14:12] schestowitz DaemonFC: "bill" is in everything [14:12] DaemonFC Not all of them are strictly technical in nature. [14:12] schestowitz DaemonFC: want to code with us? [14:13] schestowitz I can teach you how to code [14:13] schestowitz if that can lower the time you spend interjecting racist things into the channel [14:14] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:14] DaemonFC How is the fact that we've apparently gone long enough for these idiots to have forgotten the lesson of prohibition racist? [14:14] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:14] DaemonFC Also, they don't want to prohibit _everyone_ from having a drink. Men will be free to do whatever they want. [14:14] DaemonFC mjg59 should be so proud of being Uncle Bill's water boy. [14:15] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [14:15] schestowitz DaemonFC: that's not on tech [14:16] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [14:16] schestowitz drinking isn't tech [14:16] schestowitz I just want to keep s/n ratio better [14:16] DaemonFC Dr. Sadie Boniface of King's College LOndon said it was unfortunate that the "one phrase" got so much attention. [14:17] DaemonFC Well yeah, the same people who say women are raped if they don't like the man they're in the room with are literally saying women should be forced to do what they want done. [14:18] DaemonFC This is way beyond social engineering. The WHO exists to stick their fucking nose into national politics behind the scenes and change laws and policies in an anti-democratic fashion. [14:18] DaemonFC It's a natural fit for Uncle Bill, which is why he gives it more money than the United States government. [14:18] schestowitz on you go [14:18] schestowitz I told you to quit pushing OT stuff [14:18] schestowitz and you do it deliberately [14:18] schestowitz if you need an outlet, use -social [14:27] DaemonFC schestowitz, About total vulnerabilities across product lines, that Forbes article makes a bad comparison. [14:27] DaemonFC Android and Chrome OS are really quite different. [14:27] DaemonFC iOS and macOS are not so different. Same OS, just stripped way down. [14:27] DaemonFC If they fix a bug in one, it'll propagate to the other. [14:29] DaemonFC Also, Chrome OS will have many of the same security issues as Android since it also includes an Android Runtime. [14:35] techrights-bot/fn #wordpress is becoming something different over time. https://wptavern.com/automattic-acquires-day-one-journaling-app [14:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wptavern.com | Automattic Acquires Day One Journaling App WordPress Tavern [14:38] techrights-bot/fn #walmart #surveillance piggybacking #covid19 https://www.pymnts.com/coronavirus/2021/walmart-rolls-out-digital-wallets-for-covid-vaccine-records/ [14:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Walmart Rolls Out Digital Wallets For Vaccines | PYMNTS.com [14:39] techrights-bot/fn Staying power: the growing impact of PostgreSQL on enterprise marks Postgres Vision 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152465#comment-29993 [14:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PostgreSQL Related Releases | Tux Machines [14:44] *stormyknight3000 (~iansutter@6schtsatzc46y.irc) has joined #techrights [14:49] techrights-bot/fn 15 things to do after installing #elementaryOS | FOSS Linux https://www.fosslinux.com/47529/things-to-do-after-installing-elementary-os.htm #fosslinux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/19/#latest [14:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslinux.com | 15 things to do after installing elementary OS | FOSS Linux [14:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [14:50] techrights-bot/fn #HowTo Use a Tablet or Phone as a Second Monitor in #GNU #Linux | Tom's Hardware https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/use-tablet-or-phone-second-monitor-linux #tomshardware | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/19/#latest [14:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomshardware.com | How to Use a Tablet or Phone as a Second Monitor in Linux | Tom's Hardware [14:57] techrights-bot/fn "So far, I have rushed every professional transition in my life: When starting my PhD, when starting my postdoc, when starting my job at DFINITY, and every time I regretted it. So this time, I will take a proper break and will explore the world a bit (as far as that is possible given the pandemic)." http://www.joachim-breitner.de/blog/780-Leaving_DFINITY [14:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.joachim-breitner.de | Leaving DFINITY Blog Joachim Breitner's Homepage [14:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 32.18 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.66 swarm size (avg): 297.06 ● Jun 19 [15:00] techrights-bot/fn " #GCompris is a high quality educational software suite, including a large number of activities for children aged 2 to 10, some of the activities are game orientated, but nonetheless still educational." https://hadron43.wordpress.com/2021/06/18/gsoc21-week-1-building-a-solid-base/ [15:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hadron43.wordpress.com | GSoC21 Week 1 : Building a solid base hadron43 [15:01] techrights-bot/fn #Bluestar 5.12.11 released. https://sourceforge.net/projects/bluestarlinux/ #gnu #linux [15:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BluestarLinux download | SourceForge.net [15:02] techrights-bot/fn #GFX1013 Target Added To #LLVM 13.0 For RDNA2 APUs - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=LLVM-13.0-GFX1013 #Phoronix #programming [15:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GFX1013 Target Added To LLVM 13.0 For RDNA2 APUs - Phoronix [15:02] techrights-bot/fn Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152466 [15:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [15:03] techrights-bot/fn 10 reasons to stick with #MySQL http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152467 [15:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 10 reasons to stick with MySQL | Tux Machines [15:03] MinceR 19 065049 <~schestowitz> what's even the meaning of "rasengan"? [15:03] MinceR https://i.redd.it/xsweh3uiiah41.jpg [15:05] schestowitz rose garden [15:08] DaemonFC Walmart rolled out anti-Spamsung Pay (also no NFC, so no Apple or Google either) terminals so that people would give up and use their Walmart Pay app. [15:09] DaemonFC Why are people even trying to pay with a phone so that half the time the terminal can go "ONK ONK ONK ERROR DUMBASS ONK ONK USE YOUR CARD!"? [15:09] DaemonFC I'm just glad that Walmart blocked it because people learned pretty fast that their phone won't work and it sped up the line. [15:09] XRevan86 1. MariaDB is more FOSS; 2. MariaDB is more compatible than Oracle MySQL 8.0, so no again; 3. PostgreSQL and MariaDB are on a par with "workflow control". 4. PostgreSQL and MariaDB are on a par on transactions. 5 This is dumb. 6. I'm pretty sure the statement is not backed with actual measurement. 7. Did someone say "Galera"? 8. "enterprise firewalls to deal with attacks like SQL injection" says it al [15:09] XRevan86 l. 9. I don't actually know anything about webinars, so I'll give it that. 10. That's just a blog, no? MariaDB has a similiar thing. [15:10] XRevan86 10 reasons to stick with MySQL, though the same reasons could be drawn NOT to stick with MySQL. [15:11] XRevan86 they're just vague or basic enough to be like that [15:11] DaemonFC MinceR, "ONK ONK ONK YOU'RE A FUCKING RETARD! ONK ONK! $1,649 for an iPhone and Apple Pay just pisses everyone off. ONK ONK!!!!" [15:11] DaemonFC I like this credit card terminal for some reason..... [15:12] DaemonFC It's providing negative feedback to the moron in an unmistakable an embarrassing tone that chastises them for doing something totally stupid. [15:12] DaemonFC The world needs more of this. [15:12] XRevan86 Maybe compared to something like Oracle DB this reasons have some ground, but with MariaDB and PostgreSQL? Nah. [15:13] MinceR 19 144632 < XRevan86> schestowitz: danger, danger %) [15:13] MinceR we can just move the other side then [15:13] DaemonFC MinceR, The only problem is that iPhone users are raging narcissists that either fail to pick up on the cue that everyone around them hates them and is annoyed, or a psychopath that wouldn't care even if they did know, or both. [15:13] XRevan86 MinceR: Dang, now I can't wait. [15:14] DaemonFC MARISOL clones. [15:14] DaemonFC For the cost difference between an iPhone and an Android phone, you could pay your entire phone bill for the next 4 years. [15:14] DaemonFC That's how fucking stupid these people are. [15:14] MinceR 19 160925 < DaemonFC> Why are people even trying to pay with a phone so that half the time the terminal can go "ONK ONK ONK ERROR DUMBASS ONK ONK USE YOUR CARD!"? [15:15] MinceR they want malware to steal their card details and money [15:15] *Noisytoot has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) [15:15] immibis DaemonFC: are you literally defending a megacorp trying to achieve vendor lockin? [15:15] immibis phone vendor lockin is shady, but that's nothing compared to locking you into one store for your purchases [15:15] DaemonFC Apple is good for privacy. I'm sure that will come as a relief for all of those iClown users who have their sex tapes on BitTorrent forever now. [15:16] MinceR lol [15:16] MinceR crApple cultists continued to claim crApple supports their privacy oh so well even after that [15:16] MinceR it's just another meaningless word as far as they're concerned [15:17] XRevan86 MinceR: Just like "free speech" to the k-line prince? [15:17] DaemonFC Let's see. Where can I upload my files......where it gets scanned.....to see if the government can use them against me in court.....and maybe they get leaked and used to smear me or as ID theft? [15:17] DaemonFC Oh, iCloud......GOOOOOD! [15:17] MinceR XRevan86: seems so [15:17] immibis your files are safe from everyone except apple [15:18] MinceR and anyone who breaks into apple's systems [15:18] immibis that's implied [15:18] immibis and anyone with authority over apple [15:20] techrights-bot/fn " #EasyOS inherits the various #PuppyLinux network connection tools, including SNS, Frisbee, GPRS and PupDial, managed by the Internet Connection Wizard. 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(ENTX) Stock Skyrockets After Being Granted European Patent | Stocks Telegraph [15:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Forward Pharma an Example of the Devastating Effect of Granting Patents in Error A Problem Appeal Boards Must Correct | Techrights [15:26] techrights-bot/fn There is no such thing as "EU patent office"; this is the second time this past week that I see this error https://www.streetwisereports.com/article/2021/06/17/entera-bio-granted-patent-for-oral-parathyroid-hormone-by-eu-patent-authority.html [15:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.streetwisereports.com | Entera Bio Granted Patent for Oral Parathyroid Hormone by EU Patent Authority [15:27] techrights-bot/fn "One thing NFTs, DeFi and dApps sharelike cryptocurrencies, they lack regulatory oversight and are subject to controversy, hacks and fraud." Wow... you don't say... https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/blockchain-innovations-and-real-estate-9780188/ [15:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Blockchain Innovations and Real Estate: NFTs, DeFis and dApps | Pillsbury - Gravel2Gavel Construction & Real Estate Law - JDSupra [15:28] *Noisytoot has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) [15:32] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@jiz967bhsgr6i.irc) has joined #techrights [15:32] psydroid https://www.reuters.com/business/german-state-bavaria-talks-with-intel-chip-megafactory-2021-06-18/ [15:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-German state of Bavaria in talks with Intel on chip megafactory | Reuters [15:33] techrights-bot/fn Could gaming help treat depression and anxiety? https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/people/arid-40316255.html "in a co-ordinated centre of research excellence." [15:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.irishexaminer.com | Could gaming help treat depression and anxiety? [15:33] techrights-bot/fn Commercial video games could help treat mental health issues: Study | Lifestyle https://www.devdiscourse.com/article/lifestyle/1616886-commercial-video-games-could-help-treat-mental-health-issues-study #devdiscourse | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/19/#latest [15:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.devdiscourse.com | Commercial video games could help treat mental health issues: Study | Lifestyle [15:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [15:35] *job has quit (connection closed) ● Jun 19 [16:05] *stormyknight3000 has quit (connection closed) [16:06] *psymin (~psymin@xqn5f4vm4nzg6.irc) has joined #techrights [16:07] gustaf schestowitz: I like the new text log format [16:07] gustaf I have a lot of issues with Gemini but mandating UTF-8 was a good move [16:08] DaemonFC Windows has always had weird UTF-8 issues that are only now being addressed. [16:08] DaemonFC That was one of the reasons they didn't bother supporting id3v2.4 until recently. [16:09] DaemonFC Long after nobody bothered using it and kept using 2.3 for compatibility reasons (with Windows). [16:15] psydroid that's one of the many reasons why Windows is unusable to me, I need UTF-8 as the most basic level of support for scripts and languages [16:17] gustaf yeah Windows jumped on UTF-16 too soon^ym [16:17] gustaf Java too IIRC [16:17] MinceR no, they use UCS-2, sadly [16:17] MinceR it's missing surrogate pairs [16:17] MinceR or at least they jumped on that [16:17] MinceR maybe they switched to UTF-16 [16:17] MinceR which can represent all the code points, but is a pretty horrible hack [16:17] gustaf MinceR: I honestly don't know anymore [16:18] gustaf I once fucked up a customer deployment by editing a config file and forgetting the BOM [16:18] MinceR :> [16:19] MinceR also, people using CJK might not be all that happy about mandating unicode, thanks to han unification [16:23] gustaf yeah not gonna touch that fucking can of worms [16:23] MinceR :> [16:38] *mib_345xj1 (~45899797@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [16:38] *mib_345xj1 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [16:45] XRevan86 So, I actually finished the interview, and I can't tell if l0de was mocking rasengan or not. [16:45] XRevan86 At least to some extent he definitely did. [16:47] XRevan86 Lots of good stuff, I even took the time to quote it: https://www.linux.org.ru/forum/talks/16344951?cid=16377247 [16:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.org.ru | Talks [16:55] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:55] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:56] immibis I think he was [16:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 35.46 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.88 swarm size (avg): 297.72 [16:59] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights ● Jun 19 [17:00] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [17:01] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [17:02] XRevan86 Also rasengan made some hints at undermining projects, and with context he probably means Debian. [17:08] psydroid Why would he do that? [17:08] XRevan86 psydroid: Because he likes Debian, and he wants to liberate everything he likes from existence. [17:10] MinceR i think debian will manage that on its own [17:12] immibis psydroid: he claims debian steals money and fame from its actual developers [17:12] MinceR oh, that was about debian? [17:13] XRevan86 immibis: Oh, that was about Debian? [17:14] *XRevan86 read MinceR's message afterwards. [17:14] XRevan86 What, at least I capitalise letters. [17:14] MinceR lol [17:14] MinceR debian is officially lowercase in the logo [17:15] *CrystalMath (~coderain@hcdzgjg37iuk6.irc) has joined #techrights [17:22] psydroid XRevan86, maybe he should liberate IBM, Canonical, Google, Apple and Microsoft first [17:22] XRevan86 psydroid: Hopefully Apple [17:24] MinceR "you know, it's not like i know what i'm talking about" [17:24] MinceR one of the best sentences so far [17:24] psydroid lol [17:26] XRevan86 ye know what I'm saying? [17:26] CrystalMath MinceR: huh? [17:26] MinceR he doesn't use "ye" though :> [17:26] CrystalMath who said it? [17:26] MinceR CrystalMath: rasengan [17:26] CrystalMath heh [17:27] XRevan86 MinceR: Ye don't know that, the vowel is unstressed :P [17:27] psydroid not bringing the Matrix bridge back up makes things pretty inconvenient to me [17:28] XRevan86 psydroid: Considering how freenode throttles even simple people [17:28] XRevan86 I think bringing the bridge back is can be a challenge to Matrix.org [17:28] MinceR psydroid: maybe we could have a channel-level matrix bridge (like the bridge we have now) [17:28] XRevan86 s/back is/back up/ [17:28] XRevan86 MinceR: We definitely can. All we need is someone to be on the other side. [17:29] XRevan86 unlike the Matrix-IRC integration, regular bridges bridge separate rooms, they don't bridge op statuses and such [17:29] MinceR i'd rather not have to take care of the matrix side though [17:30] XRevan86 MinceR: We could have a channel-level matrix bridge, but we don't wanna bother, yes [17:30] MinceR :> [17:30] XRevan86 Also we could just bridge LC and use that for integration. [17:30] XRevan86 that would be much easier [17:31] XRevan86 then Matrix users would just join #techrights:libera.chat [17:33] MinceR and then get cancelled by matrix.org admins and libera ircops at the same time [17:33] MinceR 2 for the price of 1 [17:33] XRevan86 I'm actually curious if libera.chat is a Matrix server-ish in its own right. [17:34] XRevan86 or if it uses something from Matrix.org for bridging [17:34] CrystalMath the freenode matrix bridge will come back [17:34] CrystalMath although, techrights might also want to run its own matrix bridge [17:34] CrystalMath depending on other people is meh [17:35] XRevan86 CrystalMath: And its own Matrix server? %) [17:35] psydroid it's a bit heavy on resources from what I've read [17:35] XRevan86 Wait if Libera Chat can do it maybe techrights can do it too? [17:35] CrystalMath XRevan86: well idk just a bridge would suffice i think [17:35] psydroid so here I am connected using Conversations and Dino [17:35] XRevan86 psydroid: same [17:36] MinceR i'm connected using irssi [17:36] CrystalMath +1 MinceR :D [17:36] psydroid and profanity if I want the irssi-like experience [17:37] XRevan86 I mean, to have @appservice:techrights.org just like @appservice:libera.chat [17:37] XRevan86 Ariadne: Do ye know anything about that? [17:38] XRevan86 i.e. self-hosting matrix-appservice-irc and making things be really cool [17:40] XRevan86 That would be way better than some bridge. ● Jun 19 [18:13] *phebus has quit (Quit: POKE 1,0) [18:17] MinceR i'm considering switching to weechat though [18:17] MinceR the issues i have with it seem not that difficult to fix [18:17] MinceR a lot easier than making irssi manage the screen as well as weechat does :> [18:46] Ariadne i dont really want to deploy synapse on techrights.org [18:46] MinceR :) [18:46] XRevan86 Ariadne: Is it needed for the integration to work? [18:47] Ariadne yes [18:47] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:47] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:48] XRevan86 O.K., then I'm back to that the best place to get Matrix bridging is Libera Chat. [18:48] Ariadne why do we care about matrix? [18:48] MinceR i do not [18:48] XRevan86 dunno, it was brought up [18:48] Ariadne matrix is a shitshow in terms of abuse mitigation [18:49] Ariadne i would rather not deal with it [18:49] XRevan86 Ariadne: What if Matrix but actually a front to IRC :) [18:49] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [18:49] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [18:55] *sepsinn (~sepsinn@c9nu4ummhfn7e.irc) has joined #techrights [18:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 34.18 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 13.66 swarm size (avg): 297.85 ● Jun 19 [19:41] gustaf MinceR: I'm evaluating weechat vs irssi too ● Jun 19 [20:32] CrystalMath schestowitz: i said something incorrect yesterday, it seems that l0de (the interviewer) is not freenode staff, a helper, or anything [20:32] CrystalMath so i just wish to correct that, i was looking at some other channel and saw he has ops, and i thought it was #freenode because of similar people [20:35] XRevan86 CrystalMath: I've seen this: https://dm.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/nzm272/the_linux_channel_was_seized_by_freenode/h1sx9l6/ [20:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dm.reddit.com | kiedtl comments on The ##linux channel was seized by Freenode [20:41] schestowitz CrystalMath: that does not help :-) [20:42] schestowitz CrystalMath: if you scroll up a bit, or check logs, you will see what Ariadne knows of l0de [20:42] schestowitz and for Lee to associate with those types... where to begin [20:42] schestowitz ? [20:45] gustaf I thought l0de was staff too tbh [20:45] XRevan86 To me it doesn't matter much as during the interview strangely enough l0de looked like the more reasonable one. [20:46] gustaf but it's all a mess over there [20:46] XRevan86 So if that's the level, it just can't get any worse. [20:46] gustaf XRevan86: l0de sounds like he's been an accomplished troll for decades [20:46] CrystalMath XRevan86: i disagree, l0de sounds somewhat hateful [20:47] XRevan86 It's possible that I've forgotten to factor in the factor of sociopathy. [20:47] CrystalMath Andrew Lee is way better, he is honest, and he has a vision that he follows [20:48] XRevan86 CrystalMath: That is indeed true. I just looked at who has a better functioning brain, which is not the deciding factor. [20:49] XRevan86 Andrew is caught up in double-think and really strange reasoning. [20:49] XRevan86 borderline paranoid [20:50] gustaf paranoia would explain a lot [20:52] XRevan86 I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt when he said that the former staff was plotting against him, but he just keeps making new Enemies of IRC. [20:52] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:52] gustaf I can posit that Lee meant well to begin with but he's been palling around with some nihilistic trolls that were perfectly happy to burn it all down [20:53] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:53] XRevan86 gustaf: If it weren't his idea, he still internalised and accepted it. [20:54] gustaf XRevan86: yeah I'm not excusing anything he's done, just trying to find a reason [20:54] XRevan86 technical and social debt my arse [20:54] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [20:54] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [20:56] XRevan86 I can imagine what "social debt" means: the existing mechanisms for FOSS projects that were in the foundation of freenode operations. [20:57] XRevan86 That's not the right social hierarchy for the new freenode. [20:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 31.33 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 6.41 swarm size (avg): 298.43 ● Jun 19 [21:01] schestowitz XRevan86: true [21:04] MinceR ah yes, a vision in which the USA has no rule of law and enforces religious rules on its population [21:08] XRevan86 I think the vision is accessible IRC. [21:08] XRevan86 That is sure to fail with freenode as baggage. [21:25] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [21:25] AdmFubar https://hackaday.com/2021/06/19/1700-regulatory-approvals-revoked-in-south-korea/ [21:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-1700 Regulatory Approvals Revoked In South Korea | Hackaday [21:27] immibis someone will surely relate that to vaccines. in #boycottnovell-social [21:29] immibis why isn't it #techrights-social? [21:29] immibis or just #social? [21:30] kingoffrance MinceR, thats why "its a new world" in the motd is troubling [21:37] *phebus (~phebus@f95gnd3zj7732.irc) has joined #techrights [21:39] AdmFubar https://www.salon.com/2021/06/19/american-workers-are-refusing-to-take-bad-jobs--and-thats-good-for-everyone-economists-say/ [21:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-American workers are refusing to take bad jobs and that's good for everyone, economists say | Salon.com [21:39] MinceR XRevan86: there are other networks [21:39] MinceR kingoffrance: meh, it's only an irc network [21:39] XRevan86 MinceR: Not to Andrew. [21:39] MinceR sucks to be him [21:41] kingoffrance MinceR, sure, just wonder where stuff comes from is all; alone is just marketing; added with other stuff, you are probably not far off [21:42] MinceR XRevan86: what happened to rizon though? [21:43] XRevan86 MinceR: Still being the seventh largest network. [21:45] MinceR XRevan86: and Andrew is an ircop there, afaik [21:49] XRevan86 freenode has 25088 users, ircnet has 24494 users [21:50] XRevan86 the freenode's user count seems to have stabilised, so it's still the second-largest network. [21:50] XRevan86 MinceR: Rizon is somewhere I've never gone. [21:51] AdmFubar https://www.snopes.com/ap/2021/06/19/western-heat-wave-threatens-health-in-vulnerable-communities/ [21:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Western Heat Wave Threatens Health in Vulnerable Communities | Snopes.com [21:54] XRevan86 The top channels on Rizon are some kind of trash. [21:54] MinceR the most popular things tend to be trash [21:55] *XRevan86 looks at https://netsplit.de/channels/?net=Libera.Chat [21:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-netsplit.de | NO TITLE [21:55] XRevan86 > ##freenode [21:55] CrystalMath yeah [21:55] XRevan86 maybe ye're right %) [21:55] CrystalMath they want to close that down [21:55] CrystalMath just shows how liberal they really are [21:55] CrystalMath libera.chat = SJW garbage [21:56] CrystalMath they can't even spell liberia properly [21:56] MinceR how do you know they didn't want to name themselves after a roman goddess? [21:57] *XRevan86 will go check out #libera at freenode [21:58] XRevan86 No topic? Huh. [21:58] CrystalMath yeah it disappeared during the reset [21:59] schestowitz the purge [21:59] schestowitz 'cancel culture' [21:59] XRevan86 > You can find us using /pee (shows immediately-available staff) or /who freenode/staff/* (shows all staff) ● Jun 19 [22:00] XRevan86 Now that's just weird. [22:00] MinceR 19 230026 [freenode2] -!- PEE Unknown command [22:00] AdmFubar this will probably end poorly https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/06/18/vs_2022/ [22:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Microsoft: Try to break our first preview of 64-bit Visual Studio go on, we dare you The Register [22:00] MinceR lol [22:00] XRevan86 MinceR: That's on Libera [22:01] XRevan86 in the ##freenode topic [22:01] MinceR lol [22:02] AdmFubar sounds like they've become the golden shower network....:/ [22:02] XRevan86 AdmFubar: No, that's pissnet [22:02] gustaf it's a reference to pissnet, the joke IRC network set up [22:02] XRevan86 a totally different network [22:02] CrystalMath XRevan86: on l0de radio hour people were shouting "link to pissnet!" [22:02] CrystalMath that was funny [22:03] XRevan86 CrystalMath: I was trying not to look at the chat as it was weird as heck. Probably violates YouTube's ToS. [22:03] MinceR 19 230208 < AdmFubar> sounds like they've become the golden shower network....:/ [22:03] MinceR just what trump wanted [22:04] AdmFubar https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/06/18/poltergeist_autonomous_vehicles/ [22:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Poltergeist attack could leave autonomous vehicles blind to obstacles or haunt them with new ones The Register [22:04] XRevan86 did someone say the freenode autonomous zone [22:06] CrystalMath XRevan86: oh my internet was WAY too dead to manage to actually *see* l0de [22:07] schestowitz freenode as a brand died very quickly [22:07] CrystalMath but joined the channel :D [22:07] schestowitz took decades to build [22:07] schestowitz days to ruin [22:07] CrystalMath my internet yesterday was like 0 KB/s [22:07] CrystalMath that's what it said [22:07] CrystalMath it was literally 7 Kbit/s [22:07] CrystalMath and IRC still worked like a charm! [22:08] XRevan86 schestowitz: Hostile take-overs can perform miracles. [22:09] CrystalMath actually when the liberians started controlling everything and shutting down right-wing discussion, the user count started dropping [22:09] CrystalMath that was way back [22:09] CrystalMath 2016-ish [22:13] activelow democracy and public debates are in bad condition almost everywhere: internet, TV, newspapers [22:13] activelow it is rarely possible anymore to source relevant facts above noise floor [22:14] AdmFubar https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/south-koreas-nuclear-research-agency-breached-using-vpn-flaw/ [22:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | South Korea's Nuclear Research agency breached using VPN flaw [22:16] schestowitz proprietary [22:16] schestowitz I am guessing they also use Windows [22:16] schestowitz with back doors [22:16] schestowitz but would rather blame "VPN" [22:16] AdmFubar https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/your-iphones-wifi-will-break-after-you-join-this-hotspot/ [22:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Your iPhone's WiFi will break after you join this hotspot [22:17] AdmFubar well of course it is windows...it would mention another os if it was .. [22:18] AdmFubar windows is never mentioned when it is broken [22:18] activelow iirc critical infrastructure (railway etc.) were the domain of telco, X.25 and such [22:19] AdmFubar https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/tinder-spam-campaign-hides-handwritten-links-in-profile-images/ [22:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Tinder spam campaign hides "handwritten" links in profile images [22:26] CrystalMath i wish the scrollback was longer [22:26] CrystalMath now i can't see what i wrote last night [22:26] CrystalMath nor the link to the interview [22:26] CrystalMath that i posted here :( [22:27] XRevan86 CrystalMath: https://youtu.be/QHsbUBA-j_c [22:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LRH 499.7 - WTCNDE - YouTube [22:28] MinceR lrh keeps reminding me of l. ron hubbard [22:32] CrystalMath well, my internet is now 5 KB/s [22:32] CrystalMath let's find the crappiest possible quality for that video [22:33] CrystalMath okay i can just give up on the video and do audio [22:34] CrystalMath format 139 ought to work [22:34] schestowitz Re: Stallman Support [22:34] schestowitz > > Hard at work. Will update you soon on the "war"! :-) [22:34] schestowitz > [22:34] schestowitz > They now attack the copyrights of FSF. Many are IBM employees. [22:34] schestowitz > [22:34] schestowitz > [22:34] schestowitz > Not surprised. When all of this started in 2019, the Red Hat GNU [22:34] schestowitz > developers showed off their colours. The best way to attack an [22:34] schestowitz > organisation is from the inside. Using GNU developers was a dead [22:34] schestowitz > giveaway. Google and Microsoft are very much on the team with IBM. I [22:34] schestowitz > believe they've made headway into the Free/Libre software community and [22:34] schestowitz > have persuaded senior Debianties to go along with them. [22:34] schestowitz > [22:34] schestowitz > The strategy to target major distributions is clear and present danger. [22:34] schestowitz > I'm not sure what arguments of persuasion are being used, but I'm pretty [22:34] schestowitz > sure their main tool is currency. RMS needs a lot of strategic support [22:34] schestowitz > from experts who will rally to the Free Software cause. He needs great [22:34] schestowitz > lawyers, some corporate minds, and intelligence specialists. [22:34] schestowitz > [22:35] schestowitz [22:26] i wish the scrollback was longer [22:35] schestowitz we post daily logs [22:35] CrystalMath yes but too late :P [22:35] schestowitz you can also use gemini://gemini.techrights.org/chat/ [22:35] CrystalMath so there's a gap [22:35] schestowitz or http://techrights.org/irc [22:35] CrystalMath the scrollback should also cover a day then [22:35] schestowitz you want a longer one than this? [22:35] schestowitz I can adjust parameters [22:35] CrystalMath it would be cool [22:35] schestowitz wait [22:36] schestowitz but how many lines? 500? 1000? [22:37] CrystalMath i guess 1,000 should cover it? [22:38] schestowitz try again in 5 minutes [22:38] CrystalMath okay :) [22:38] CrystalMath thanks [22:40] AdmFubar network throughput on sundays sucks....everyone is streaming [22:41] schestowitz I am?! [22:41] schestowitz :-p [22:41] MinceR i am not [22:42] schestowitz first time i hear such a thing [22:42] schestowitz during weekday many businesses do b/w-intensive things [22:43] AdmFubar everyone in town must be streaming sports... [22:43] AdmFubar it is always a lil slow for me [22:43] AdmFubar rest of the week is fine [22:43] schestowitz CrystalMath: forgot to apply the changes, another 5 mins [22:44] *Noisytoot has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) [22:44] schestowitz freenode has just fixed the kiwiirc thing [22:45] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:45] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:45] schestowitz but something is broken [22:46] schestowitz OK, it is DEFINITELY broken [22:46] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@jiz967bhsgr6i.irc) has joined #techrights [22:46] schestowitz I tried several times [22:46] schestowitz LOL [22:46] schestowitz total incompetence [22:47] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [22:47] schestowitz CrystalMath: it's ready now [22:47] CrystalMath okay, thanks :) [22:48] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [22:49] activelow reason enough to question the wisdom of attaching critical infra to internet: https://blog.apnic.net/2019/01/16/bgp-in-2018-the-bgp-table/ [22:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.apnic.net | BGP in 2018 The BGP Table | APNIC Blog [22:50] activelow "In terms of the size of the routing table, its as if the exhaustion of IPv4 addresses has not happened at all" [22:50] schestowitz Internet isn't the sole issue [22:50] schestowitz some plug windows into the internet [22:50] schestowitz and then just blame 'internet' [22:51] activelow ok. whenever some critical infrastructure was attacked i am thinking of something else first: the backbone network in place. [22:54] immibis CrystalMath: you don't have to troll in this channel, lee isn't around to give a reaction [22:55] CrystalMath immibis: what did i do? what is your problem? [22:55] immibis they want to close that down [22:55] immibis just shows how liberal they really are [22:55] immibis libera.chat = SJW garbage [22:55] immibis they can't even spell liberia properly [22:56] CrystalMath that's how i feel [22:56] CrystalMath illibera is awful [22:56] CrystalMath and schestowitz explained in a video why [22:56] schestowitz I got in trouble for it [22:56] immibis what do you think of this stuff someone wrote about debating right-wingers? https://gist.github.com/joepie91/a50b72a8ca842944b40de3c2cdf776f6 [22:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gist.github.com | alt-right-bans.md GitHub [22:57] CrystalMath schestowitz: you shouldn't be! [22:57] CrystalMath because you are right [22:57] CrystalMath and that has nothing to do with freenode [22:57] schestowitz I see a Microsoft link, immibis [22:57] CrystalMath when libera is bad, libera is bad, end of story [22:57] CrystalMath that has zero to do with freenode [22:57] immibis would you prefer me to paste the entire thing here? [22:57] schestowitz LC: hosted by Microsoft, coded on Microsoft's proprietary platform... [22:58] schestowitz blogging on Microsoft.... proprietary platform [22:58] schestowitz that to me says a lot [22:58] schestowitz microsoft= freedom [22:58] immibis ircd-seven is a microsoft proprietary platform? [22:58] CrystalMath immibis: github [22:58] schestowitz no, the ircd is not Microsoft [22:58] schestowitz Microsoft sells kleylogger [22:58] schestowitz called 'teams' [22:58] CrystalMath microsoft should write a comic-based ircd :P [22:58] immibis ah, well github is an easily replaceable dependency for some groups, just like freenode is easily replaceable [22:58] schestowitz and they keep rebranding skype [22:59] saint_dogbert/fn immibis; that text is nothing but SJW nonsense IMO [22:59] schestowitz to fake 'growth' and 'share' [22:59] immibis so is azure if you are just using it to host servers (as opposed to lockin features) [22:59] activelow the emergence of skype and such was linked to telco loosing control over infrastructure too [22:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 32.43 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.15 swarm size (avg): 298.84 [22:59] schestowitz freenode was also github [22:59] schestowitz but I talked to Lee and they created their gitLAB site at git.freenode.net [22:59] schestowitz of course FN is a catastrophe all in all [22:59] CrystalMath immibis: your link does point to a hateful disgusting pile of SJW filth ● Jun 19 [23:00] schestowitz but for code hosting they moved in the rigth direction [23:01] saint_dogbert/fn immibis: Is that really how Libera feels? [23:01] schestowitz "why alt-right rhetoric gets you banned." [23:01] CrystalMath immibis: and it is a perfect demonstration of why people should NEVER connect to libtardia.crap [23:01] schestowitz The "rhetoric" part if troubling [23:01] immibis CrystalMath: any specifics? Or do you just resort to attempting insults? (as if SJW is an insult among anyone outside the right wing... most of us just know it as an indication that the person saying it is right-wing and doesn't like the person they're talking about) [23:01] schestowitz rhetoric is vague [23:01] immibis saint_dogbert: no this is just some random person [23:01] CrystalMath immibis: i need to explain why this is disgusting? this text ASSERTS that some ideologies are right, and some are wrong, and says debate about that is forbidden [23:01] schestowitz so if someone just feels like you might relay some view that resembles something, BANNED [23:01] CrystalMath immibis: what part of that does NOT make you want to puke? [23:02] immibis CrystalMath: well, the part where you just rejected the existence of objective truth makes me want to puke [23:02] MinceR i guess believing that male persons and white people shouldn't be killed just for they are is also something that makes someone "right wing" [23:02] CrystalMath immibis: objective truth isn't the same as garbage some commie trash thinks up in a minute [23:02] schestowitz there is not always an objective truth [23:03] schestowitz same for ethics [23:03] CrystalMath exactly ^ [23:03] schestowitz so we need to be 'flexy' to some unsoothing opinions [23:03] schestowitz not just BAN [23:03] immibis CrystalMath: some ideologies are simply wrong. The ideology which says the sky is made by aliens and the stars are encoding a message warning us of their impending invasion, is simply wrong [23:03] CrystalMath or the way i like to say it, there is an objective truth, but it's unreachable for us [23:03] schestowitz in some areas we do not know the truth [23:03] schestowitz we form theorie [23:04] CrystalMath immibis: well even regarding such stuff like that, UFOs and the like, people should be allowed to dream [23:04] immibis that is true [23:04] schestowitz even string theory should not be banned [23:04] schestowitz it can be ridiculed, not banned [23:04] immibis but in other areas we do know the truth. We know that racial superiority is untrue [23:04] schestowitz some say race is fiction [23:04] schestowitz next thing you have is claims women and men are equal at everything [23:05] CrystalMath immibis: racial superiority isn't something i would consider a tenet of alt-right at all, it has members of all races [23:05] schestowitz but don't expect women to be in "world's strongest man" [23:05] immibis CrystalMath: but you agree it's untrue? [23:05] CrystalMath immibis: racial superiority is untrue, correct [23:05] CrystalMath to clarify - no race is superior to any other race [23:05] schestowitz depends on the place [23:06] schestowitz nigerians are superior to germans in hot climate [23:06] activelow are youtube links welcome? [23:06] schestowitz they don't get burned and stuff [23:06] schestowitz yeah [23:06] immibis CrystalMath: so if someone asserts racial superiority as an ideology, can we say their ideology is wrong? And if someone else asserts the lack of racial supremacy, as an ideology, can we say their ideology is right? [23:06] schestowitz but we do not HAVE to click them ^_^ [23:06] schestowitz immibis: in tech channels we don't even need to debate such things [23:06] CrystalMath immibis: if someone is wrong you can clearly debate them [23:07] CrystalMath immibis: that's the best time to debate someone, when you know for sure that someone is wrong [23:07] CrystalMath but like i said that's not what this is about [23:07] schestowitz bbab [23:07] schestowitz bbaib, let's talk tech more :_ [23:07] schestowitz *iab [23:07] *schestowitz should never type sideways again [23:07] immibis CrystalMath apparently wants to debate this stuff but refuses to do it in #boycottnovell-social [23:08] CrystalMath i'm not in there [23:08] immibis then join it [23:08] schestowitz it's like 11 or 12 years old channel [23:08] CrystalMath except i don't think we're on opposite sides regarding the thing you mentioned [23:08] immibis CrystalMath: you agree that some ideologies are wrong and some are right? [23:08] schestowitz created when balzac was gloating about girls and stuff [23:08] schestowitz it was modeled after fedora-social [23:08] immibis on this server it should be called #social [23:09] CrystalMath i believe that there's people feeling that something is right, and that something is wrong, and that sometimes some people are closed to being objective [23:09] CrystalMath but htat's nowhere near black and white [23:09] CrystalMath *that's [23:09] activelow https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12993-chimps-outperform-humans-at-memory-task/ [23:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newscientist.com | Chimps outperform humans at memory task | New Scientist [23:09] MinceR well, i think the bikeshed should be painted gray [23:09] schestowitz immibis: for consistency it keeps the same name [23:09] schestowitz it always existed on freenode with the same namr [23:09] schestowitz and it's still in FN too [23:09] immibis CrystalMath: you do not believe that racial superiority is objectively wrong? [23:09] AdmFubar https://www.databreaches.net/state-legislatures-consider-bans-on-ransomware-payments/ [23:09] schestowitz it leads to bad things [23:09] CrystalMath immibis: i believe that it's wrong but what i believe cannot be pushed onto others [23:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.databreaches.net | State Legislatures Consider Bans on Ransomware Payments [23:10] CrystalMath immibis: others have a right to believe otherwise [23:10] immibis CrystalMath: so you do believe it's objectively wrong. do you believe it's an ideology? [23:10] schestowitz but assuming race is a thing, some races are better at some things, due to physical differences like melanin, height, etc. [23:10] CrystalMath i guess it could be an ideology, but i don't know whose ideology [23:10] schestowitz anyway, it's OT [23:10] immibis racial superiority ideology is much deeper than "black people have more melanin", it's more like "black people are worse at everything and should be exterminated or enslaved" [23:10] schestowitz bbiab [23:11] immibis CrystalMath: you are questioning whether at least one person holds racial superiority as an ideology? [23:12] CrystalMath immibis: i guess i'm just saying that i don't know such people [23:13] CrystalMath but let's get back to the link you sent [23:13] CrystalMath that last paragraph also said people should be banned for even "sounding like" they are alt-right [23:13] CrystalMath "Finally, one more point: maybe you weren't arguing all that much, just making some normal comments, and you still got banned. Why? It's probably because there are alt-right talking points showing through in your comments - whether you realize it or not. These have the same effect of radicalizing people and turning a community hateful over time, just over a longer timespan." [23:14] MinceR i think the author read too much SCP and believes that ideologies they disagree with are cognitohazards that can only be fought by suppressing them entirely [23:14] CrystalMath so let me get this straight... you don't even have to realize it, if you just say things that sound to them like alt-right talking points, they ban you [23:14] saint_dogbert/fn The author of that nonsense inspires me... I'm going to start banning people in my channels using the merest suspicion that they are left wingers ;) [23:14] MinceR :> [23:15] immibis it's funny MinceR because that is probably what you think about liberals [23:15] MinceR it is not [23:15] immibis CrystalMath: this is some random person's opinion [23:15] immibis that that part is not the strongest part. Read the rest [23:15] CrystalMath joepie91 is related to libera right? [23:16] immibis only in the sense that he connects to it [23:16] AdmFubar https://www.rawstory.com/miami-police/ [23:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rawstory.com | Miami police chief cites 'you lie, you die' policy in push to fire top brass: report - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism [23:16] MinceR (classic "NO U" there, by the way) [23:16] saint_dogbert/fn immibis: Honestly, like most people, I don't really care what peoples politics are. I care when they are shoving them in my face and demanding that I raise a Nazi like salute for a certain cause and certain group of people. [23:16] CrystalMath immibis: i did read it, the first two paragrahs got me angry, reading the third one i'm just beyond angry and i believe that joepie91 is basically a fascist of some sort [23:17] CrystalMath something straight out of 1984 [23:17] AdmFubar https://www.rawstory.com/bill-maher-california-drought/ [23:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rawstory.com | Bill Maher goes on angry rant about Big Ag for Bogarting California water during drought - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism [23:18] immibis CrystalMath: we are still stuck on whether you believe ideologies can be objectively right or wrong [23:18] schestowitz [23:14] The author of that nonsense inspires me... I'm going to start banning people in my channels using the merest suspicion that they are left wingers ;) [23:18] schestowitz These people don't support Free software [23:18] schestowitz they look to control networks [23:18] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:18] CrystalMath immibis: i don't believe that anyone can truly know whether an ideology is objectively right or wrong [23:18] CrystalMath immibis: we can only do our best guess [23:18] schestowitz and by extension the communications of hundreds of thousands of people [23:18] schestowitz to drive home a political or ideaological agenda [23:18] saint_dogbert/fn schestowitz: No argument here. =) [23:18] CrystalMath immibis: so we cannot push our views onto other people [23:18] schestowitz same thing Twitter, GitHub, FB do [23:18] immibis CrystalMath: well that is true of anything. the law of gravity could be proven wrong tomorrow [23:18] MinceR some of them seem to have easily disproven elements [23:19] immibis CrystalMath: but we can know racial supremacy is wrong, just as much as we can know the law of gravity is right, right? [23:19] CrystalMath immibis: based on everything i know, yes [23:19] schestowitz gravity if a theory [23:20] schestowitz a solidly proven theory [23:20] schestowitz but technically still a theory [23:20] MinceR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_falling [23:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Intelligent falling - Wikipedia [23:20] CrystalMath there are some problems with gravity [23:20] schestowitz maybe with black holes and things one day we'll have an expanded explanation [23:20] CrystalMath namely it's hard to fit it into the quantum view of the universe [23:20] schestowitz "law of gravity" is also a common term [23:20] immibis CrystalMath: so you must logically believe that it is possible for an ideology to be objectively wrong, just like it is possible for a theory of gravity to be objectively right [23:20] CrystalMath there's no truly accepted grand unified theory [23:20] AdmFubar https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-insurrectionist-2653448274/ [23:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rawstory.com | 'Delusional' Capitol rioters oblivious to their own serious criminal charges: CNN reporter - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism [23:20] CrystalMath immibis: no just because i give an ideology maximum wrongness in my mind, that stays in my mind; i have no right to force anyone else [23:20] schestowitz can we talk tech? [23:21] schestowitz we're steering into racism-related stuff [23:21] schestowitz which makes it easier to pick on us over stuff that has nothing to do with topic techrights covers [23:21] immibis since CrystalMath has joined the other channel, yes [23:21] schestowitz such as patents and corruption [23:21] saint_dogbert/fn Most of them have not even been informed of what they are being charged with beyond trespassing because they are kept in isolation and most have not been granted access to lawyers yet [23:22] saint_dogbert/fn https://www.cbsnews.com/news/capitol-riot-defendant-ryan-sammsel-viciously-beaten-guard-washington-dc-jail-lawyer-says/ [23:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cbsnews.com | Capitol riot defendant "viciously and savagely" beaten by guard in Washington, D.C. jail, lawyer says - CBS News [23:24] AdmFubar https://www.rawstory.com/crt/ [23:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rawstory.com | Fox News busted for trying to pass off GOP operatives as 'concerned' parents - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism [23:25] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has left #techrights [23:28] schestowitz typical GOPKKK [23:31] schestowitz https://dissociatedpress.net/2021/06/19/authenticity-is-a-trap/ [23:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dissociatedpress.net | "Authenticity" is a trap : Dissociated Press [23:31] saint_dogbert/fn Actually... the Democrats founded, financed, and supported the KKK, not the GOP. The GOP is responsible for freeing the slaves. The Democrats fought tooth and nail against the civil rights bills back in the 1960s as well if memory serves [23:32] schestowitz That was a long time ago [23:34] activelow nonetheless. in germany this is codified in law too, as I mentioned recently, the lack of constitutional guarantess for a "right to work" (Recht auf Arbeit) which was abandoned with the current constitution, while weimar constitution stated it explicitely. [23:34] saint_dogbert/fn yep. Now they run another couple of racists groups; Antifa and BLM [23:36] schestowitz these are reactionary [23:36] schestowitz KKK wasn't a reaction to racism [23:36] schestowitz it was designed to protect the racists [23:36] schestowitz and to keep some people down [23:36] saint_dogbert/fn And you think BLM and Antifa aka ProFA doesn't? [23:37] saint_dogbert/fn they do; just different races this time around [23:37] schestowitz aside from the fact that we've gone off topic, painting groups that respond to racism as "racist" is artistic/creative spin [23:37] schestowitz like calling assange "criminal" [23:37] schestowitz for exposing crimes [23:37] activelow the lack of constitutional guarantees for a "right to work" is the repressive element of the legal framework in western regions. [23:37] schestowitz bbiab [23:37] saint_dogbert/fn I'll take this to -social again [23:37] schestowitz worthless thing to debate in the context of techrights [23:38] schestowitz activelow: or UBI [23:38] schestowitz which would at least accomplish something similar as a fallback [23:38] activelow schestowitz: i am in opposition to UBI. [23:38] schestowitz I know the arguments against [23:38] schestowitz abundance of workers [23:38] schestowitz in tech also [23:38] schestowitz and whether people will want to work at all [23:39] schestowitz so you assess the cost of necessities [23:39] schestowitz like welfare does [23:39] schestowitz but without cultural will UBI can fail [23:39] schestowitz but the govs will need to figure out something like that [23:39] activelow and UBI legal framework itself is lacking, such as regulation of rents (a majority of citizens in germany have to rent a flat) [23:39] activelow UBI does not address this. [23:39] schestowitz the alternative is homeless peo [23:39] schestowitz *people [23:40] schestowitz like the ones in Berlin [23:40] schestowitz and a failing society for many [23:40] Ariadne anyway, you can do whatever you want in -social, as long as its not like planning to commit murder or whatever [23:40] schestowitz Ariadne: not yet :D [23:40] Ariadne i guess we should write some actual rules for the irc [23:40] schestowitz Ariadne: no need, we already have them [23:40] schestowitz since around 2009 [23:40] schestowitz it's in the wiki [23:41] Ariadne i guess i should write an motd linking to them then [23:43] schestowitz It's like a EULA [23:43] schestowitz sticking it in people's face upfront can be like a presumption of guilt and unwelcoming [23:43] schestowitz I will instead bring that up when the channel goes far off topic [23:43] schestowitz this has mostly worked for us since 2008 [23:44] schestowitz we keep a tight ship. Right now I work with a bunch of good folks on EPO expose [23:44] schestowitz we can defeat swpats this year, I hope... "AI patents" [23:44] activelow another aspect of related social legislation was abandoning regulations to match level of education and skill set with jobs, introduced year 2000 iirc [23:44] activelow sorry schestowitz, one more sentence [23:45] schestowitz it's OK [23:45] schestowitz sometimes it feels like people use the channel as an outlet for things they cannot say elsewhere (or got banned for) [23:45] schestowitz that's fine if it's not off-topic [23:46] schestowitz many are suppressed for views on patents etc. [23:46] activelow and this is the loophole: the abandoned social legislation was replaced with the common ideological lunacy (gender,race,climate, etc) to match workers with jobs [23:46] schestowitz I am saddened to see what happened to "Big IRC" [23:46] schestowitz seems to have split along superficial political lines [23:46] schestowitz so we have "right" and "left" networks [23:46] schestowitz not proprietary and free [23:46] activelow instead of recognizing individual with their skills, they are recognized as black, white, gentitals etc... [23:47] schestowitz I think it's like sectarian violence [23:47] schestowitz to keep "us plebs" off the agenda of "Big Tech" [23:47] schestowitz they will just pursue money, military contracts etc. [23:48] schestowitz while we fight over things like celebs that are "intolerant" and whether athletes can bow [23:48] immibis schestowitz: have you ever convinced any of the GOPKKK members in this channel to stop being GOPKKK, just by arguing with them? [23:48] schestowitz immibis: we have tech issues across the spectrum [23:48] schestowitz like, getting off github is not a wing thing [23:48] schestowitz everyone should do it [23:49] schestowitz because it's a moral thing [23:49] schestowitz same for "Big IRC" [23:49] schestowitz we need to encourage more networks [23:49] schestowitz people have 4-32GB of RAM now [23:49] schestowitz they can connect to 20 networks with less than 100KB or RAM [23:50] immibis GOPKKK is an issue. There's a reason you call it GOPKKK instead of just GOP [23:50] immibis it is one more issue [23:54] schestowitz Trumpism led to that [23:54] schestowitz I only started saying "GOPKKK" after the insurrection [23:54] schestowitz in some countries that whole party would be outlawed for it [23:54] schestowitz but again, we're veering off topic [23:54] schestowitz I am doing an article about EPO [23:55] schestowitz and that concerns software patents and 'webchat' as 'courts' [23:56] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/carl-josefsson-in-the-shadows/ [23:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Virtual Injustice Part 12: Carl Josefsson Down But Not Out! | Techrights