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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Distribution Comparison http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128271 [https://pleroma.site/objects/04568687-0369-42c7-bc8e-3c2f5f19182f]Sep 19 01:38
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kubernetes 1.16 available from Canonical http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128272 [https://pleroma.site/objects/141ea376-8fa6-4a61-b27d-46db9c3bc108]Sep 19 01:41
DaemonFC[m]3232-bit x86 has been on borrowed time for years.Sep 19 01:44
DaemonFC[m]Err 32-bitSep 19 01:44
DaemonFC[m]I'm surprised Windows 10 still supports it.Sep 19 01:44
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DaemonFC[m]What could possibly be the use for that?Sep 19 01:44
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Best Essential Apps for Linux 2019 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128276 [https://pleroma.site/objects/45d06fef-7d01-48a6-ac85-7c5f4b587cef]Sep 19 02:11
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Debian May Need To Re-Evaluate Its Interest In "Init System Diversity" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128277 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0dc340df-25f3-4489-b2cf-786e787820c3]Sep 19 02:16
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: Python and C++ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128280 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2233d609-16d1-49d9-8fee-593b23a58c3c]Sep 19 02:39
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GNU lightning 2.1.3 released!http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128281 [https://pleroma.site/objects/86119831-2092-418d-9e87-de8098d82e22]Sep 19 02:43
anthk_https://mobile.twitter.com/devfusediboot/status/1174471989991530496Sep 19 03:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mobile.twitter.com | TwitterSep 19 03:25
anthk_I just can't...Sep 19 03:25
anthk_seriouslySep 19 03:25
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: CPU/GPU/Graphics Stack: AMD EPYC, NVIDIA and Mesa Radeon Vulkan Driver http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128284 [https://pleroma.site/objects/dc027bcb-870f-4289-b8bf-6fa4104071e4]Sep 19 05:14
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Samba 4.11 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128285 [https://pleroma.site/objects/afdf0083-79c5-4eb8-80d6-e7b20159001d]Sep 19 05:19
schestowitzanthk_: just read most of itSep 19 05:26
schestowitztypical anti-FS argumentSep 19 05:27
schestowitzwith the game makers' likeSep 19 05:27
schestowitzFOSSPatents uses that alsoSep 19 05:27
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Events: Cloud Foundry Summit EU, 'FOSDEMs', Ubucon Europe, Qt Contributors' Summit and Openwashing http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128286 [https://pleroma.site/objects/01925eda-d89b-4956-b265-0ba3f071005d]Sep 19 05:34
anthk_https://mobile.twitter.com/lethargilistic/status/1172304171908780032Sep 19 05:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mobile.twitter.com | TwitterSep 19 05:37
anthk_now it understands. Thanks, sherlock, as if it wasn't obviousSep 19 05:37
schestowitzvan you please paste without mobile in URL?Sep 19 05:37
schestowitzIt would then expand itSep 19 05:37
schestowitzI know it does spying without itSep 19 05:37
schestowitzbut manually we can editSep 19 05:37
schestowitz https://twitter.com/lethargilistic/status/1172304171908780032Sep 19 05:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lethargilistic: I un-retweeted Sarah Mei's post of this because she later turned the thread into a list of general grievances again… https://t.co/tXQE0PeeKOSep 19 05:37
anthk_https://twitter.com/lethargilistic/status/1172304171908780032Sep 19 05:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lethargilistic: I un-retweeted Sarah Mei's post of this because she later turned the thread into a list of general grievances again… https://t.co/tXQE0PeeKOSep 19 05:37
schestowitzthose are not FS peopleSep 19 05:38
schestowitzah, url pasted twice would be detected as dupe :-)Sep 19 05:38
anthk_no, I mean at least he realized that the purge is extendingSep 19 05:39
anthk_Alexandre Oliva is on the radarSep 19 05:39
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schestowitzRichard Stallman yesterday: "Stop Engaging with Online Trolls altogether, Public Figures Say.Sep 19 05:51
schestowitz"As my experience shows, sometimes a troll storm does not depend on publicity from the victim." http://stallman.org/Sep 19 05:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Richard Stallman's Personal PageSep 19 05:51
schestowitzanthk_: I like AlexSep 19 05:51
schestowitzhe likes us backSep 19 05:51
schestowitzalways been very supportive of usSep 19 05:51
schestowitzmaybe he's the one on the Board who, based on what I heard, vetoes and sided with RichardSep 19 05:52
anthk_brb, 'gonna install HyperbolaSep 19 05:53
schestowitzcheers and good luckSep 19 05:53
anthk_maybe I'll suggest the pkg-readmes policy from OpenBSD under HyperbolaSep 19 05:53
anthk_so the user can read post-install chores in order how to setup, for example, xfceSep 19 05:54
schestowitzdon't rush to BSD campSep 19 05:56
schestowitzI wrote about it last weekSep 19 05:57
schestowitzin light of some talks about the RMS MS talkSep 19 05:57
anthk_I like openbsd's design on security, and lots of stuffSep 19 05:57
schestowitzRMS will write about it todaySep 19 05:57
schestowitzI will repost his essaySep 19 05:57
anthk_freebsd is worse, is basically OSX' bitchSep 19 05:57
schestowitzyeah, but BSD takes us further awaySep 19 05:57
anthk_openbsd at least feed themselvesSep 19 05:57
schestowitzaway from what corporations cannot control/exploitSep 19 05:57
anthk_the gpl won't save us on that tooSep 19 05:58
schestowitzopenbsd would not change the world in the way devs needSep 19 05:58
anthk_that's trueSep 19 05:58
schestowitzthe GPL is under a massive attack for decadesSep 19 05:58
anthk_but as I said a lot of policies are being ported to hyperbolaSep 19 05:58
schestowitzBlack Duck etc.Sep 19 05:58
schestowitzAnd it's losing, I thinkSep 19 05:58
schestowitzyears of FUD and GitHub takeover etc.Sep 19 05:58
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anthk_w/ openbsd at least some simillar stuff was recommended, but at least on privacySep 19 06:01
anthk_they knew some shady stuff of even ffox and chrome, at least on its defaultsSep 19 06:01
schestowitzI like openbsdSep 19 06:03
anthk_I know bsd's are not the same, but I wont touch freebsd even over a NASSep 19 06:03
schestowitzthey make good things like opensshSep 19 06:03
anthk_his security defaults were atrociousSep 19 06:03
schestowitzbut again, don't swallow their whole stack at GPL's expense, you know who would benefitSep 19 06:04
schestowitzEverything with N, like NAS, is under pressure to backdoorSep 19 06:04
schestowitzIf not intentionally then social engineering (moles)Sep 19 06:04
anthk_uh, I used pf with unbound and I made my beast anti ad/surveillance blockerSep 19 06:05
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anthk_but ofc the gnu folks have nicer stuffSep 19 06:05
anthk_such as icecat and so onSep 19 06:05
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MinceRfreebsd has a CoC, just like linux, but from earlierSep 19 06:23
anthk_freebsd is apple's junkyard almost literallySep 19 06:23
anthk_the quality went down a lot since the late 90'sSep 19 06:23
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anthk_ok non-free wirelessSep 19 07:28
anthk_I have an adapter with no fw crap somewhereSep 19 07:28
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schestowitz>>  told me that bkuhn wrote the whole thing. He shouldSep 19 08:40
schestowitz>> know. He's sure.Sep 19 08:40
schestowitz> Ok.  That's all internal though.  If some public confession were made bySep 19 08:40
schestowitz> Bradley or some material published by the board, that could beSep 19 08:40
schestowitz> circulated widely.Sep 19 08:40
schestowitzI will not write this in TR as that might cause a bad 'witch hunt' against Kuhn and it would go nowhere good. Sep 19 08:40
schestowitz> Along those lines, is this page being kept up to date?Sep 19 08:40
schestowitz> Sep 19 08:40
schestowitz> http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128122Sep 19 08:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stallman Under Fire for Views on Epstein | Tux MachinesSep 19 08:40
schestowitz> Sep 19 08:40
schestowitz> It will be very important to have a one-stop page containing links to asSep 19 08:40
schestowitz> many articles as possible, both the good and the all too many bad ones,Sep 19 08:40
schestowitz> to help RMS and the FSF later as the dust settles.  For one, it is aSep 19 08:40
schestowitz> classic case of yellow journalism, not checking sources, and a twitterSep 19 08:40
schestowitz> lynch mob.  There are many around the world that would be able to digSep 19 08:40
schestowitz> into that.Sep 19 08:40
schestowitzThe only omission is shite like "Tweets";Sep 19 08:40
schestowitzBy the way, the "remove Stallman" lady "liked" some of my tweets; I don't take that for anything other than self-publicity opportunism from her. She only has about 60 "followers".Sep 19 08:40
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 19/9/2019: Samba 4.11.0 and Kubernetes 1.16 http://techrights.org/2019/09/19/samba-4-11-0/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/5f29d26a-261e-49b1-a8a8-745dab926a53]Sep 19 10:54
MrGreenFriend“we dont need another smarmy corporate sycophant yes man to take over the fsf, as open source would propose.”Sep 19 10:55
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anthk_got hyperbola installedSep 19 13:17
anthk_updated to the future LTS releaseSep 19 13:17
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schestowitzanthk_: morningSep 19 15:42
schestowitzwell doneSep 19 15:42
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zoobabIBM as a bullySep 19 16:01
zoobabhttps://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Patent.pdfSep 19 16:01
schestowitzsummary?Sep 19 16:01
zoobabI think most of those 7 old sw patents were used to extract money from GrouponSep 19 16:01
schestowitzcan you give em the short story to talk about?Sep 19 16:01
schestowitzGroupon action is odlSep 19 16:01
schestowitzMaybe Groupon is appealing?Sep 19 16:01
schestowitzI thought they had setttledSep 19 16:02
zoobabit is old, but in there IBM had patents over a diff between 2 listsSep 19 16:02
zoobabone client side, one server sideSep 19 16:02
zoobabdoomedSep 19 16:02
zoobabprobably they settledSep 19 16:02
zoobabbut I will read the 7 patents in full, but they look awfully trivialSep 19 16:02
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16027568Sep 19 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #ibm bullying with #patents (moments ago) https://pastebin.com/kps987YNSep 19 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> [16:01] <zoobab> IBM as a bully [16:01] <zoobab> https://www.courthousenews.c - Pastebin.comSep 19 16:04
schestowitzI don't have much time to probe it right nowSep 19 16:04
schestowitzfamily stayingSep 19 16:04
zoobabapplications could then be composed on the fly from objects stored locallyon the PC, reducing reliance on Prodigy’s server and network resources.Sep 19 16:04
zoobabenjoy familySep 19 16:04
schestowitzis there a new element to it?Sep 19 16:06
schestowitzif not, then it is not urgentSep 19 16:07
schestowitzwiring about epo at the momentSep 19 16:08
schestowitzas you can tell from my dents/etc. I'm well behindSep 19 16:09
schestowitzhave to cull out less important stories at the momentSep 19 16:09
schestowitzzoobab: http://techrights.org/2019/09/19/epo-threat-to-eu-and-law/Sep 19 16:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | When the EPO Sees Itself as Above European Law, Grants Patents in Defiance of the EPC (Its Founding Document) and Violates Staff’s Labour Rights/Protections (International Law) | TechrightsSep 19 16:43
schestowitzmore to comeSep 19 16:43
schestowitzthis is very important imhoSep 19 16:43
schestowitzi also quoted youSep 19 16:43
schestowitzzoobab: post microblogging stuff with the ket points re the above link re ibmSep 19 16:43
DaemonFC[m]https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Noi686RepositoriesSep 19 16:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoraproject.org | Changes/Noi686Repositories - Fedora Project WikiSep 19 16:49
DaemonFC[m]Users could still conceivably build their own 32-bit kernels if the i686 repo remained.Sep 19 16:49
DaemonFC[m]And use "Fedora 31" that way.Sep 19 16:49
DaemonFC[m]Tsk tsk. Can't have that.Sep 19 16:49
DaemonFC[m]It would be totally at your own risk, but would probably work.Sep 19 16:51
DaemonFC[m]I'm guessing that eventually, Fedora will do what Ubuntu is doing and pare down the multiarch thing to just the 32-bit libs that Steam and Wine need in order to work.Sep 19 16:52
DaemonFC[m]Ubuntu's position is that if you need other libs, you could always just use Snap and package them yourself with your application.Sep 19 16:52
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r_schestowitzweirdSep 19 18:40
r_schestowitznetwork manager keeps adding tun0Sep 19 18:40
r_schestowitzeven when I delete itSep 19 18:40
r_schestowitzmaybe some bug or 'feature' added since the last rebootSep 19 18:40
r_schestowitzwho the heck knows... but it's really annoyingSep 19 18:40
XRevan86schestowitz: A VPN connection is established by it?Sep 19 18:42
r_schestowitzseems soSep 19 18:43
r_schestowitznot the one I even haveSep 19 18:43
XRevan86schestowitz: Do you have nm-applet or something like it?Sep 19 18:43
r_schestowitzmaybeSep 19 18:44
XRevan86"nmcli c" should show it anywaySep 19 18:44
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XRevan86schestowitz: A GUI front-end should show if a VPN is active. And allow deleting it.Sep 19 18:46
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XRevan86And then you can do "nmcli c delete tun0"Sep 19 18:50
XRevan86or maybe "nmcli d delete tun0"Sep 19 18:51
XRevan86it's probably all the sameSep 19 18:51
XRevan86schestowitz: Does that help?Sep 19 18:51
r_schestowitzroy@ted:~$ nmcli d delete tun0Sep 19 18:52
r_schestowitzDevice 'tun0' successfully removed.Sep 19 18:52
XRevan86yay :)Sep 19 18:52
r_schestowitzlet's see if that sticks long...Sep 19 18:52
XRevan86Do "nmcli c delete tun0" too, just in case.Sep 19 18:53
XRevan86so that there are no left-oversSep 19 18:53
r_schestowitz  296 root      20   0    7512   4096   3784 R  95.7  0.2   2:47.18 systemd-journal Sep 19 18:55
r_schestowitzwtfSep 19 18:55
r_schestowitztakes a whole CPU core all the timeSep 19 18:56
r_schestowitzwtfSep 19 18:57
r_schestowitzwhy is openvpn running on my machine?Sep 19 18:57
XRevan86schestowitz: Maybe something actively writes into syslog…Sep 19 18:57
XRevan86Maybe openvpn…Sep 19 18:57
r_schestowitzI stoped the openvpn processSep 19 18:57
r_schestowitzI have not used it in agesSep 19 18:57
r_schestowitznow the journal process is goneSep 19 18:58
r_schestowitzbloody hell, I won't reboot again until I really have to (and I had to)Sep 19 18:58
XRevan86schestowitz: I'd reboot one more time just to be sure everything's sorted out :DSep 19 18:58
r_schestowitzI lost hours of work the past 2 daysSep 19 18:58
r_schestowitztuxmachines is behindSep 19 18:58
XRevan86schestowitz: VPN through NM was probably OpenVPNSep 19 18:59
r_schestowitzmental note to self: maybe it was openvpn creating tun0 again and againSep 19 18:59
XRevan86schestowitz: I'm not sure, maybe NM created tun0 for it.Sep 19 18:59
XRevan86One way or another, it's gone now.Sep 19 18:59
XRevan86doesn't matter which part of the chain did whatSep 19 19:00
XRevan86What does matter is that you had VPN configured on NM with autoconnect on.Sep 19 19:02
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r_schestowitz"Sep 19 19:06
r_schestowitzEnjoy dear friend: https://techcrunch.com/2019/09/18/russia-sorm-nokia-surveillance/Sep 19 19:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Documents reveal how Russia taps phone companies for surveillance – TechCrunchSep 19 19:06
r_schestowitz7:00 PMSep 19 19:06
r_schestowitz"Sep 19 19:06
r_schestowitzsomeone sent me thisSep 19 19:06
XRevan86I saw that :)Sep 19 19:08
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r_schestowitzformer Nokia staffSep 19 19:08
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XRevan86schestowitz: The SORM itself is not exactly news…Sep 19 19:16
XRevan86I guess notable the leak itself and the extent of the leakSep 19 19:16
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r_schestowitzI had heard about that tooSep 19 19:49
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XRevan86https://youtu.be/wg4EZW3_XuA?t=1378Sep 19 19:55
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aindilisis there a single piece which details why Gates is more problematic wrt Epstein?Sep 19 20:32
aindilisI'm looking for something that doesn't attempt to exonerate RMS, but says, take em all downSep 19 20:36
r_schestowitzwhat did you get told?Sep 19 20:39
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aindiliswell I've experienced first hand how people are emotionally invested in this and making RMS a lightening rod for their frustrations with sexism in the tech industrySep 19 20:40
r_schestowitz#proprietarysoftware logic:Sep 19 20:41
r_schestowitzIf you say RMS is a "pervert" because of Minsky comments, then COOL!Sep 19 20:41
r_schestowitzIf you bemoan #billgates for being mates with #epstein they call you jealous  http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_CritiqueSep 19 20:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - TechrightsSep 19 20:41
aindilisso rather than try to defend RMS against these emotions which have been linked to him, I'd rather try to roll with the punches and channel this rage to others like Gates for their role with EpsteinSep 19 20:43
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r_schestowitzaindilis: both are possible, butSep 19 20:49
r_schestowitzmy point was to point out why they picked on him in the mediaSep 19 20:49
r_schestowitzesp. the Murdoch mediaSep 19 20:49
r_schestowitzit started with ViceSep 19 20:49
aindilisright, oh no, I'm not criticizing you're strategy at allSep 19 20:49
aindilisyeah I readSep 19 20:49
r_schestowitzand I hadn't known News Corp. had bought itSep 19 20:50
aindilisdisgustingSep 19 20:50
r_schestowitzbefore I knew I wrote to RMS, saying there was an effort to shift attention away from the Gates MIT scandalSep 19 20:50
r_schestowitzThen came Fox NewsSep 19 20:50
r_schestowitzNew York PosySep 19 20:50
r_schestowitzPostSep 19 20:50
r_schestowitzAlso MurdochSep 19 20:50
aindilishttps://www.foxnews.com/tech/microsoft-bill-gates-jeffrey-epstein-meetingSep 19 20:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.foxnews.com | Microsoft's Bill Gates regrets Jeffrey Epstein meeting: 'I wish I hadn't' | Fox NewsSep 19 20:50
r_schestowitzhe and Gates are very closeSep 19 20:51
r_schestowitzlolSep 19 20:51
r_schestowitzGates goodSep 19 20:51
r_schestowitzRMS = rapeSep 19 20:51
r_schestowitzhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2893570/Engineer-employed-Bill-Gates-mansion-traded-6-000-child-sex-abuse-images-using-Gmail-account.htmlSep 19 20:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | Engineer employed at Bill Gates' mansion 'traded 6k child sex abuse images' | Daily Mail OnlineSep 19 20:52
aindilisis there one about Gates Epstein airplane flight?Sep 19 20:53
r_schestowitzyesSep 19 20:54
r_schestowitzthe flight recordsSep 19 20:54
r_schestowitzhe's not denying itSep 19 20:54
r_schestowitzme:Sep 19 20:58
r_schestowitz#billgates flew with #epstein on the #lolitaexpressSep 19 20:58
r_schestowitzIn fact, the flight records show it and he's not denying itSep 19 20:58
r_schestowitzWhere are the calls to "remove Gates" from #microsoft and #gatesfoundation ?Sep 19 20:58
r_schestowitzI'm waiting...Sep 19 20:58
cubexyzI'd settle for just removing M$ from most computersSep 19 21:00
r_schestowitzAt this stage the only (remaining) #billgates defenses are "I'm sorry" and "I regret" (it's in the media)Sep 19 21:00
r_schestowitzNot a good legal defense for such a serial criminal with a criminal track recordSep 19 21:00
aindilisdamnit, sorry, what was the other one, Vice and ???Medium??? - brainfartSep 19 21:03
cubexyzhttps://medium.com/@selamie/remove-richard-stallman-appendix-a-a7e41e784f88Sep 19 21:03
XRevan86> Whoa.. if only someone had told them "hi owe tea" is shite on #securitySep 19 21:03
*XRevan86 found an old video with schestowitz and listened to the accent %). h's are pronounced, so "here" still has a consonant at the start.Sep 19 21:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Remove Richard Stallman: Appendix A - Selam G. - MediumSep 19 21:03
cubexyzthere's that oneSep 19 21:03
XRevan86All because I didn't get the "hi owe tea" pun at first %).Sep 19 21:03
MinceRwhat's "hi owe tea"?Sep 19 21:05
XRevan86MinceR: eye owe teaSep 19 21:05
XRevan86IoTSep 19 21:05
MinceRoh, IoTSep 19 21:05
MinceRthe S in IoT stands for "security"Sep 19 21:05
aindilisVice is part owned by Fox and Medium was it received money from someone?  I cannot find it in the logs...Sep 19 21:05
XRevan86cubexyz: Peculiar that part 1 doesn't list part problematic opinions, instead just linking to an external website.Sep 19 21:06
XRevan86* list pastSep 19 21:07
cubexyzStallman is pretty eccentricSep 19 21:07
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XRevan86And that uncritical linking also endorses that articleSep 19 21:07
cubexyzbut I'd rather he stayed with FSFSep 19 21:07
aindilisno it was the Verge, how are they M$ related?Sep 19 21:07
XRevan86so the headline is perfectly fine?Sep 19 21:08
cubexyzone person's opinionSep 19 21:10
aindilisokay, thanks guys, carry on!Sep 19 21:10
MinceRcarrionSep 19 21:10
aindilislolSep 19 21:10
r_schestowitzMails leaked to News Corp.-owned ViceSep 19 21:11
r_schestowitzoddSep 19 21:11
aindilishow about, happy hacking!Sep 19 21:11
r_schestowitz" I leaked the full email thread, with names and contact information redacted, to Vice."Sep 19 21:11
r_schestowitz[21:07] <aindilis> no it was the Verge, how are they M$ related?Sep 19 21:11
r_schestowitzGates was their editorSep 19 21:11
aindilisty!Sep 19 21:11
r_schestowitz[18:51] <schestowitz> >> You can do analysis on this set if you have time, e.g. media ownership,Sep 19 21:11
r_schestowitz[18:51] <schestowitz> >> repeated phrases, timing...Sep 19 21:11
XRevan86Oh well, that's the person who rephrased "presented herself to him as entirely willing" as "be entirely willing"Sep 19 21:11
r_schestowitz[18:51] <schestowitz> > Rob Beschizza at Boingboing simply took The Verge piece as factual,Sep 19 21:11
r_schestowitz[18:51] <schestowitz> > which it is not.Sep 19 21:11
r_schestowitz[18:51] <schestowitz> > Sep 19 21:11
r_schestowitz[18:51] <schestowitz> > As you've pointed out, The Verge is M$ influenced:Sep 19 21:11
r_schestowitz[18:51] <schestowitz> > Sep 19 21:11
r_schestowitz[18:51] <schestowitz> > https://www.theverge.com/2015/1/22/7870497/bill-gates-interview-future-verge-guest-editorSep 19 21:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Bill Gates is guest-editing The Verge in February | The VergeSep 19 21:11
r_schestowitz[18:51] <schestowitz> > Sep 19 21:11
r_schestowitz[18:51] <schestowitz> > and remains that way:Sep 19 21:11
r_schestowitz[18:51] <schestowitz> > Sep 19 21:11
r_schestowitz[18:51] <schestowitz> > https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/12/18220467/bill-gates-annual-letter-taxes-health-data-toilets-vergecastSep 19 21:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Bill Gates’ annual letter on The Vergecast: better data and better toilets - The VergeSep 19 21:12
aindilisI have time if you want to offload some text processing to me: <schestowitz> >> You can do analysis on this set if you have time, e.g. media ownership,  Sep 19 21:12
r_schestowitz52 updates: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128122?page=1#comment-21753Sep 19 21:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stallman Under Fire for Views on Epstein | Tux MachinesSep 19 21:12
r_schestowitzkocck yourself outSep 19 21:12
r_schestowitzIAC owns Daily BeatSep 19 21:12
r_schestowitzOne of the 4 that initially disseminated the liesSep 19 21:13
r_schestowitzChelsea Clinton on BoardSep 19 21:13
r_schestowitzthe Gateses are personal friends of the Clinton, but that's as far as I can goSep 19 21:13
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