●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 ●● ● Oct 19 [00:00] techrights-news #MyGNUHealth release 1.0.5 is out! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156944 #freesw #Linux #TuxMachines [00:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | MyGNUHealth release 1.0.5 is out! | Tux Machines [00:00] techrights-news #Ubuntu 22.04 LTS "Jammy Jellyfish" Begins Development http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156945 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 22.04 LTS "Jammy Jellyfish" Begins Development | Tux Machines [00:01] psydruid schestowitz-TR, itvery expensive hardware, but it shows to what extent Intel and also AMD and Nvidia have failed the consumer for the past few years [00:01] psydruid it's* [00:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [00:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 37.83 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 29.78 swarm size (avg): 259.62 [00:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 37.83 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 29.78 swarm size (avg): 259.62 [00:03] psydruid all my Intel hardware is also at least 5 years old [00:04] psydruid and I'm wary of the new hardware that seems to be more and more tied to Windows [00:05] *MinceR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:05] psydruid to the point that I am not sure Gelsinger is actually going to be able to turn the Itanic around [00:05] psydruid https://www.axios.com/intel-ceo-gelsinger-apple-chips-8916f898-3b09-46f8-9bb9-1c94885aaa26.html [00:05] -altlink_a8a/#techrights- Cloudflare: axios.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.axios.com/intel-ceo-gelsinger-apple-chips-8916f898-3b09-46f8-9bb9-1c94885aaa26.html [00:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel CEO wants to compete against Apple - Axios [00:06] *MinceR (~mincer@bringer.of.light) has joined #techrights [00:06] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to MinceR [00:08] schestowitz-TR psydruid: just a name [00:08] schestowitz-TR and hype [00:08] schestowitz-TR he did managed to convince some engs to return [00:08] schestowitz-TR but I don't know how many and hos good those engs arer [00:09] schestowitz-TR their last CEO committed fraud [00:09] schestowitz-TR insider trading [00:09] psydruid many of the good ones left for Apple and Ampere Computing [00:09] schestowitz-TR and fucked a 'low-level' employee [00:09] schestowitz-TR for him to just 'resign' is coming off cheaply [00:09] schestowitz-TR he should have been arrested [00:12] psydruid some of those engineers were close to retirement [00:13] psydruid new ones don't seem to want to work there [00:13] schestowitz-TR they do some research [00:13] schestowitz-TR and know what this company became [00:14] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:14] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:15] techrights-news [Meme] [Teaser] Thrown Under the Bus http://techrights.org/2021/10/18/jesper-kongstad-teaser/ #epo #dk #denmark [00:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] [Teaser] Thrown Under the Bus | Techrights [00:20] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156946 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [00:21] techrights-news #Screencasts/Shows/Videos: #KaOS 2021.10, #Ubuntu Kylin 21.10, Late Night Linux, Linux in the Ham Shack http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156947 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Screencasts/Shows/Videos: KaOS 2021.10, Ubuntu Kylin 21.10, Late Night Linux, Linux in the Ham Shack | Tux Machines [00:24] techrights-news #suse blog as #marketing spam (it wasn't always this bad) https://www.suse.com/c/equinix-and-suse-simplify-cloud-native-with-equinix-metal-and-suse-rancher/ [00:24] -altlink_a8a/#techrights- Cloudflare: suse.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.suse.com/c/equinix-and-suse-simplify-cloud-native-with-equinix-metal-and-suse-rancher/ [00:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Equinix and SUSE Simplify Cloud Native with Equinix Metal and SUSE Rancher | SUSE Communities [00:24] techrights-news Study of Editable Strokes for Inking http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156948 #kde #krita [00:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Study of Editable Strokes for Inking | Tux Machines [00:27] techrights-news #firefox as #mozilla #spyware with #microsoft hosting. These blog posts help illuminate what Mozilla has become. https://blog.mozilla.org/data/2021/10/18/this-week-in-glean-designing-a-telemetry-collection-with-glean/ [00:27] -altlink_a8a/#techrights- Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.mozilla.org/data/2021/10/18/this-week-in-glean-designing-a-telemetry-collection-with-glean/ [00:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | This Week in Glean: Designing a telemetry collection with Glean Data@Mozilla [00:30] techrights-news "This weeks episode of Destination Linux, were being joined by Lukasz Ericenski of Pine64 for an Exclusive Interview about the new #PinePhone Pro! Then were going to talk about NTFS improvements coming to the #Linux kernel." https://destinationlinux.org/episode-248/ [00:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-destinationlinux.org | 248: PinePhone Pro: Exclusive Interview with Pine64 - Destination Linux [00:32] techrights-news #Softwarepatents weaponised. Rinse, repeat with another target. This isn't innovation. It's parasitic. https://www.wwnytv.com/prnewswire/2021/10/18/parus-files-second-patent-lawsuit-against-samsung-infringement-its-proprietary-voice-browsing-device-control-technology/ #swpats [00:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wwnytv.com | Parus Files Second Patent Lawsuit Against Samsung for Infringement of its Proprietary Voice-Browsing and Device Control Technology [00:32] techrights-news #RedHat / #Fedora Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156949 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines [00:32] techrights-news #Mozilla #Firefox : Spyware, Password Loggers, and Performance Monitoring http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156950 #www [00:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla Firefox: Spyware, Password Loggers, and Performance Monitoring | Tux Machines [00:34] techrights-news #EPO granted #fakepatents again. Only the lawyers stand to gain from those. https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/cases/avl-and-maha-dispute-over-after-epo-destroys-exhaust-gas-measuring-patent/ #patent #europe [00:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | AVL and Maha dispute over after EPO destroys exhaust gas measuring patent - JUVE Patent [00:35] techrights-news Blowhard #watchtroll hack Gene Quinn (a #patent #litigation lobby) is now attacking #leahy again... for trying to correct patent #law as he did a decade ago with AIA [00:37] techrights-news And #watchtroll editor #EileenMcDermott is failing to scandalise #PTAB (for swatting #fakePatents that #uspto should not have granted), so now she picks on #ttab in pursuit of phony scandals http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Watchtroll [00:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Watchtroll - Techrights [00:39] techrights-news Seems like an off and insignificant thing to issue a press release about when tens of millions of dubious #patents are being granted https://www.abnnewswire.net/amp/en/107521/VGI-Health-Technology-Limited-(NSX-VTL)-Japanese-Patent-to-be-Granted.html [00:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.abnnewswire.net | VGI Health Technology Limited (NSX:VTL) Japanese Patent to be Granted [00:41] techrights-news Companies that keep boasting too much about patents typically do so because their products truly suck, so they try to compensate for it with some virtual if not fictional 'currency' [00:42] *psydroid3 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:42] techrights-news There's also money in squashing #fakepatents because such #patents are a nuisance to so many https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/10/17/3000-awarded-for-safe-driving-prior-art #unifiedpatents [00:42] -altlink_a8a/#techrights- Cloudflare: unifiedpatents.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/10/17/3000-awarded-for-safe-driving-prior-art [00:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | $3,000 Awarded for Safe Driving prior art Unified Patents [00:43] MinceR https://i.imgur.com/WIUGvUf.png [00:43] -altlink_a8a/#techrights- Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/WIUGvUf.png [00:44] *razielle_tzu (~razielle@razielletzu.plus.com) has joined #techrights [00:44] schestowitz-TR not fair to compare him to ugly Leo :-) [00:44] schestowitz-TR tbh, I don't get the reference there [00:46] MinceR reference to the way Tamarians communicate in Star Trek [00:47] MinceR and how it's similar to this kind of thing people like to call a "meme" (as if that was specific) [00:48] schestowitz-TR I don't know Tamarians even... [00:48] MinceR https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Darmok_(episode) [00:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-memory-alpha.fandom.com | Darmok (episode) | Memory Alpha | Fandom [00:54] techrights-news #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156951 [00:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [00:54] techrights-news #FreeSoftware and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156952 [00:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software and More | Tux Machines [00:54] techrights-news Devices: Simply NUC, Pine64, Arduino http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156953 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Devices: Simply NUC, Pine64, Arduino | Tux Machines [00:56] techrights-news Links 19/10/2021: #MyGNUHealth 1.0.5 and Ubuntu 22.04 Now Developed http://techrights.org/2021/10/18/ubuntu-22-04-now-developed/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/18/ubuntu-22-04-now-developed/ [00:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 19/10/2021: MyGNUHealth 1.0.5 and Ubuntu 22.04 Now Developed | Techrights [00:58] techrights-news #BillGates #Whitewashing #Distraction #JeffreyEpstein #ChildSexTraficking https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/1450224947515858951 [00:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: #Gates #Whitewashing cc/@schestowitz https://t.co/D9EIEB24O6 [00:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: #Gates #Whitewashing cc/@schestowitz https://t.co/D9EIEB24O6 [00:59] techrights-news NPR and PBS, Both Funded by Bill Gates, Try to Save Him http://techrights.org/2021/09/24/npr-and-pbs-bought-media/ #Techrights #billgates #JeffreyEpstein #ChildSexTraficking| Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/09/24/npr-and-pbs-bought-media/ [00:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | NPR and PBS, Both Funded by Bill Gates, Try to Save Him | Techrights ● Oct 19 [01:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [01:02] techrights-news #gatesfoundation #greed #taxevasion #billgates #JeffreyEpstein https://twitter.com/GratefulDog/status/1450079764535037953 [01:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GratefulDog: @schestowitz Gates Foundation won't even respond to Nobel prize @MSF_USA (Doctors without borders) https://t.co/XHivqs9xAS [01:04] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/stone [01:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Stone [01:06] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@pynr9v7qh9ski.irc) has joined #techrights [01:13] *altlink_a8a has quit (connection closed) [01:13] *altlink_8e2 (~altlink_8e2@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #techrights [01:20] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.73 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.56 swarm size (avg): 259.61 [01:22] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:24] DaemonFC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_FDIV_bug#Discovery_and_response [01:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Pentium FDIV bug - Wikipedia [01:25] DaemonFC Thomas Nicely asked Intel to do something, but they said most users wouldn't be affected. [01:25] DaemonFC Then took a $500 million dollar writedown. [01:25] DaemonFC (In 1994!) [01:26] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:26] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:37] DaemonFC https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Cloud-Hypervisor-19.0 [01:37] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Cloud-Hypervisor-19.0 [01:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Rust-Based Cloud-Hypervisor 19.0 Released With Improved Live Migration, Faster Boot Time - Phoronix [01:37] DaemonFC RUST CLOUD HYPERVISOR! [01:37] DaemonFC Roy triggered. 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No internet for three hours and then very slow speeds. BaronHK's Rants [04:59] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Oct 19 [05:00] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@zsibeysyhtryu.irc) has joined #techrights [05:20] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.75 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 7.18 swarm size (avg): 259.59 [05:27] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:27] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:54] activelow DaemonFC: measure power draw at the wall [05:54] activelow under full load [05:57] activelow intel always cheats and lies about power draw [05:57] DaemonFC https://www.crunchbase.com/person/blake-ross [05:57] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: crunchbase.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.crunchbase.com/person/blake-ross [05:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://www.crunchbase.com/person/blake-ross ) [05:57] DaemonFC Creator of Firefox later worked at Facebook, now Uber. [05:57] DaemonFC schestowitz, ^ [05:58] DaemonFC https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/31/uber-hires-blake-ross-firefox-founder-and-former-facebook-executive.html [05:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Uber hires Blake Ross, Firefox founder and former Facebook executive [05:59] DaemonFC https://techcrunch.com/2017/08/31/uber-hires-former-facebook-exec-and-firefox-founder-blake-ross/ [05:59] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: techcrunch.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://techcrunch.com/2017/08/31/uber-hires-former-facebook-exec-and-firefox-founder-blake-ross/ [05:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Uber hires former Facebook exec and Firefox founder Blake Ross TechCrunch ● Oct 19 [06:00] DaemonFC https://www.adexchanger.com/ad-exchange-news/thursday-12172015/ [06:00] *leah has quit (connection closed) [06:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.adexchanger.com | Advancing AI; Facebook Search Changes Favor Content [06:00] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techrights [06:00] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [06:02] activelow it was almost trivial to remove opengl vendor specific nonsense from libreoffice https://dpaste.com/9Y4SFXHPC [06:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dpaste: files/libreoffice-6.4.7.2-noopengl.patch [06:03] activelow required more than 6hourse to compile, ... next one today is QT4 and qtweb browser to fully remove firefox [06:20] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.33 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 16.23 swarm size (avg): 259.60 [06:22] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:33] schestowitz-TR [05:57] Creator of Firefox later worked at Facebook, now Uber. [06:33] schestowitz-TR Yes, I looked that up about a month ago [06:49] schestowitz-TR activelow: good to to back to qt4, which sometimes looks better than 5.x [06:49] schestowitz-TR I never tried 6.x [06:49] schestowitz-TR but one can imagine bloat being added [06:51] activelow checked a moment ago: qt4 disappeared from the tree october 2018, qtweb/webkit1 end of 2017 already [06:52] activelow that's why, i missed qtweb because i didn't backtrack that far; [06:54] schestowitz-TR there is already a qt4 fork [06:55] activelow bam, wanted to search for qt4 fork, startpage presents me a captcha... back to ddg [06:57] schestowitz-TR ewwww ddg=microsoft ● Oct 19 [07:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [07:09] *blitzed has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:22] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.15 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 22.85 swarm size (avg): 259.60 [07:58] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Oct 19 [08:22] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.98 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 17.16 swarm size (avg): 259.60 ● Oct 19 [09:02] techrights-news #Techrights Bulletin for Monday, October 18, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [09:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [09:02] techrights-news #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [09:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [09:02] techrights-news Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Stone https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/stone #smbccomics #smbc [09:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Stone [09:02] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156955 #Linux #TuxMachines [09:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [09:03] techrights-news Best Linux distro for power users in 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156954 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Linux distro for power users in 2021 | Tux Machines [09:04] techrights-news Denmark, Iceland, Finland, Norway and Sweden will be the subject of focus in #techrights this week. In relation to #epo #corruption [09:05] techrights-news NEWS #ITWire #KDE German developer Ettrich's dream, KDE, is now 25 years old https://www.itwire.com/open-source/german-developer-ettrich-s-dream,-kde,-is-now-25-years-old.html [09:05] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.itwire.com/open-source/german-developer-ettrich-s-dream,-kde,-is-now-25-years-old.html [09:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - German developer Ettrich's dream, KDE, is now 25 years old [09:06] techrights-news NEWS #Talospace #OpenPOWER Tonight's Game On OpenPOWER: Space Cadet Pinball https://www.talospace.com/2021/10/tonights-game-on-openpower-space-cadet.html [09:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.talospace.com | Tonight's game on OpenPOWER: Space Cadet Pinball [09:09] techrights-news NEWS #DT #Debian Setting up a #ThinkPad x250 with #GNU #Linux https://dt.iki.fi/thinkpad-x250-linux [09:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Setting up a ThinkPad x250 with Linux | dt.iki.fi [09:10] techrights-news NEWS #IndiaTimes #Devices 40% users blame manufacturers for #security of their IoT devices https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/internet-of-things/40-users-blame-manufacturers-for-security-of-their-iot-devices/87102851 [09:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | 40% users blame manufacturers for security of their IoT devices, IT News, ET CIO [09:10] techrights-news NEWS #DanteCatalfamo #OpenHardware Reverse engineering a thermal printer's WiFi setup commands https://blog.lambda.cx/posts/xprinter-wifi/ [09:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.lambda.cx | Reverse engineering a thermal printer's WiFi setup commands - lambda.cx blog [09:12] techrights-news NEWS #SequoiaPGP #Licensing #Sequoia PGP Is Now LGPL 2.0+ https://sequoia-pgp.org/blog/2021/10/18/202110-sequoia-pgp-is-now-lgpl-2.0/ #copyleft #freesw [09:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sequoia-pgp.org | Blog - Sequoia PGP is now LGPL 2.0+ [09:13] techrights-news NEWS #KailashNadh #Programming The #Javascript "ecosystem" is a hot mess and so is software development in general https://nadh.in/blog/javascript-ecosystem-software-development-are-a-hot-mess/ [09:13] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: nadh.in | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://nadh.in/blog/javascript-ecosystem-software-development-are-a-hot-mess/ [09:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Javascript "ecosystem" is a hot mess and so is software development in general - nadh.in [09:13] techrights-news NEWS #BenCongdon #Programming Features of Excellent #CodeReview Tools https://benjamincongdon.me/blog/2021/10/17/Features-of-Excellent-Code-Review-Tools/ [09:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-benjamincongdon.me | Features of Excellent Code Review Tools | Ben Congdon [09:14] techrights-news NEWS #LinuxQuestions Non-blocking shell-input https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/blog/michael-uplawski-1023960/non-blocking-shell-input-38680/ [09:14] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: linuxquestions.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/blog/michael-uplawski-1023960/non-blocking-shell-input-38680/ [09:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Unbuffered shell-input - LinuxQuestions.org [09:14] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [09:15] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [09:15] techrights-news NEWS #BroadbandBreakfast #bt #internet #uk #BritishTelecom et al Are Aligning with Emerging U.S. Position on Open RAN Adoption https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2021/10/british-telecoms-are-aligning-with-emerging-u-s-position-on-open-ran-adoption/ [09:15] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: broadbandbreakfast.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2021/10/british-telecoms-are-aligning-with-emerging-u-s-position-on-open-ran-adoption/ [09:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-broadbandbreakfast.com | British Telecoms Are Aligning with Emerging U.S. Position on Open RAN Adoption : Broadband Breakfast [09:16] techrights-news NEWS #OpenRAN Open and Transparent Way towards Open RAN by the #ORAN ALLIANCE https://www.o-ran.org/blog/2021/10/11/open-and-transparent-way-towards-open-ran-by-the-o-ran-alliance [09:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.o-ran.org | Open and Transparent Way towards Open RAN by the O-RAN ALLIANCE O-RAN ALLIANCE [09:16] techrights-news [Old] #OpenRAN #ORAN How Open RAN Can Bring Security Advantages https://www.openranpolicy.org/how-open-ran-can-bring-security-advantages/ [09:16] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: openranpolicy.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.openranpolicy.org/how-open-ran-can-bring-security-advantages/ [09:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.openranpolicy.org | How Open RAN Can Bring Security Advantages - Open RAN Policy Coalition [09:20] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.36 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 33.53 swarm size (avg): 259.60 [09:31] techrights-news #Microsoft # Windows TCO: #ITWire #ProprietarySoftware Cyberattackers strike payday as ransomware attacks increase tenfold https://itwire.com/security/cyberattackers-strike-payday-as-ransomware-attacls-increase-tenfold.html [09:31] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/security/cyberattackers-strike-payday-as-ransomware-attacls-increase-tenfold.html [09:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Cyberattackers strike payday as ransomware attacks increase tenfold [09:36] techrights-news NEWS #TheVerge #ProprietarySoftware Want a fully specced-out #MacBook Pro? 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Youll have to pay more than $6,000 - The Verge [09:42] techrights-news [Meme] [Teaser] Benot Battistelli, King of Iceland http://techrights.org/2021/10/19/battistelli-king-of-iceland/ #iceland #epo #corruption #patents #europe [09:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] [Teaser] Benot Battistelli, King of Iceland | Techrights [09:45] techrights-news #IRC Proceedings: Monday, October 18, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/10/19/irc-log-181021/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/19/irc-log-181021/ [09:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Monday, October 18, 2021 | Techrights [09:45] techrights-news NEWS #Bloomberg #ProprietarySoftware #Apple Drops #Intel in Biggest #MacBook Pro Overhaul in Years https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-18/apple-aims-at-intel-with-m1-pro-and-m1-max-chips-for-new-macbook [09:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? [09:46] techrights-news NEWS #LosAngelesTimes #ProprietarySoftware #Apple drops Intel in biggest #MacBook Pro overhaul in years https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2021-10-18/apple-drops-intel-in-biggest-macbook-pro-overhaul-in-years [09:46] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: latimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2021-10-18/apple-drops-intel-in-biggest-macbook-pro-overhaul-in-years [09:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.latimes.com | Apple drops Intel in biggest MacBook Pro overhaul in years - Los Angeles Times [09:46] techrights-news NEWS #MacRumors #ProprietarySoftware #Apple Ditches #Intel Chips for #MacBook Pro With Lineup Featuring M1, M1 Pro, and M1 Max https://www.macrumors.com/2021/10/18/apple-macbook-pro-lineup-no-intel-chips/ [09:46] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: macrumors.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.macrumors.com/2021/10/18/apple-macbook-pro-lineup-no-intel-chips/ [09:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple Ditches Intel Chips for MacBook Pro With Lineup Featuring M1, M1 Pro, and M1 Max - MacRumors [09:51] techrights-news Tomorrow we shall look at Danish enablers of unlawful #EPO regulations, #JesperKongstad and Anne Rejnhold Jrgensen http://techrights.org/2021/10/18/jesper-kongstad-teaser/ #dk #denmark [09:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] [Teaser] Thrown Under the Bus | Techrights [09:53] techrights-news NEWS #CSMonitor #Privacy #Surveillance #Facebook introduces controls for kids. 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Is it enough? - CSMonitor.com [09:53] techrights-news NEWS #uniColumbia #Privacy #Surveillance Bugs in our Pockets: The Risks of Client-Side Scanning https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/papers/bugs21.pdf [09:53] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: columbia.edu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/papers/bugs21.pdf [09:54] techrights-news Later today we shall see how the current deputy of the head of the EPOs overseeing body was in fact likely rewarded for her complicity in Benot Battistellis abuses against #EPO staff, including staff from #Iceland http://techrights.org/2021/10/19/battistelli-king-of-iceland/ #Techrights | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/19/battistelli-king-of-icel ● Oct 19 [10:02] techrights-news NEWS #TheHill #fb #Facebook criticizes journalists for reporting on leaked docs about company https://thehill.com/policy/technology/577269-facebook-criticizes-journalists-for-reporting-on-leaked-timed-docs-about [10:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Facebook criticizes journalists for reporting on leaked docs about company | TheHill [10:05] techrights-news NEWS #BBC # #Apple takes down #Quran app in #China https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58921230 [10:05] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: bbc.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58921230 [10:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple takes down Quran app in China - BBC News [10:07] techrights-news NEWS #TheNation #fb Mark #Zuckerberg Knows Exactly How Bad #Facebook Is https://www.thenation.com/article/society/facebook-whistleblower-mental-health/ http://techrights.org/2021/10/16/fb-dying-platform/ [10:07] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: thenation.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thenation.com/article/society/facebook-whistleblower-mental-health/ [10:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | Mark Zuckerberg Knows Exactly How Bad Facebook Is | The Nation [10:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Facebook Whistleblowers Aside, It Has Been a Dying Platform for Years, and Its Mentally Perverting the Older Generation | Techrights [10:09] techrights-news [Old] #HowlRound #Censorship Does Freedom of Speech Include the Right to Offend? https://howlround.com/does-freedom-speech-include-right-offend [10:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Does Freedom of Speech Include the Right to Offend? | HowlRound Theatre Commons [10:09] techrights-news NEWS #ArtFixDaily #Censorship Museums Post Nude Artworks on #OnlyFans to Beat #SocialControlMedia Censorship https://www.artfixdaily.com/news_feed/2021/10/17/2302-museums-post-nude-artworks-on-onlyfans-to-beat-social-media-censo [10:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Museums Post Nude Artworks on OnlyFans to Beat Social Media Censorship - ArtfixDaily News Feed [10:10] techrights-news NEWS #CNN #Censorship #Vienna museums launch #OnlyFans account to display 'explicit' artworks https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/vienna-museums-nudity-onlyfans-intl/index.html [10:10] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: cnn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/vienna-museums-nudity-onlyfans-intl/index.html [10:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com | Vienna museums launch OnlyFans account to display 'explicit' artworks - CNN Style [10:11] techrights-news NEWS #MichaelWest #uk #wikileaks Britains Guantanamo: is Julian #Assange a terrorist? https://www.michaelwest.com.au/britains-guantanamo-is-julian-assange-a-terrorist/ [10:11] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: michaelwest.com.au | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.michaelwest.com.au/britains-guantanamo-is-julian-assange-a-terrorist/ [10:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.michaelwest.com.au | Britain's Guantanamo: is Julian Assange a terrorist? - Michael West Media [10:16] psydruid https://www.alibabacloud.com/press-room/alibaba-cloud-unveils-new-server-chips-to-optimize-cloud-computing-services [10:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alibabacloud.com | Alibaba Cloud Unveils New Server Chips to Optimize Cloud Computing Services [10:16] psydruid there is a new clown in town [10:16] schestowitz-TR china bad [10:16] schestowitz-TR nsa gooooood [10:17] schestowitz-TR see? you have choices [10:17] schestowitz-TR only terrorists would host without empires\ [10:21] techrights-news NEWS #IshSookun #AFRINIC #Internet AFRINIC regains access to its #banks accounts https://sysadmin-journal.com/afrinic-regains-access-to-its-banks-accounts/ [10:21] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: sysadmin-journal.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://sysadmin-journal.com/afrinic-regains-access-to-its-banks-accounts/ [10:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sysadmin-journal.com | AFRINIC regains access to its banks accounts [10:21] techrights-news NEWS #HotHardware #DRM #AlderLake May Break Some Games Due To #DRM Tripwire But #Intel Is Working With Devs https://hothardware.com/news/alder-lake-break-games-drm-devs-scrambling [10:21] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: hothardware.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hothardware.com/news/alder-lake-break-games-drm-devs-scrambling [10:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Alder Lake May Break Some Games Due To DRM Tripwire But Intel Is Working With Devs | HotHardware [10:21] schestowitz-TR psydruid: ^ [10:22] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #techrights [10:24] psydruid schestowitz-TR, I think we are going to see a long downward spiral for Wintel, that they may not be able to come back from [10:24] techrights-news NEWS #InformaPLC #Monopolies #OpenRAN Arm wrestling with #Intel over open RAN as it sets up 5G lab https://www.lightreading.com/open-ran/arm-wrestling-with-intel-over-open-ran-as-it-sets-up-5g-lab/d/d-id/772743 [10:24] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: lightreading.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.lightreading.com/open-ran/arm-wrestling-with-intel-over-open-ran-as-it-sets-up-5g-lab/d/d-id/772743 [10:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lightreading.com | Arm wrestling with Intel over open RAN as it sets up 5G lab | Light Reading [10:24] psydruid all Intel has going for itself is Vista, which is at an all-time low when it comes to popularity [10:25] schestowitz-TR but '11'~~ [10:25] techrights-news NEWS #IndiaTimes #Monopolies U.S. bill would stop #BigTech favoring its own products https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/government-policy/u-s-bill-would-stop-big-tech-favoring-its-own-products/87127100 see why the term "big tech" should be avoided: http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/ [10:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | Big tech: U.S. bill would stop Big Tech favoring its own products, IT News, ET CIO [10:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft is a Lot Worse Than Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple | Techrights [10:25] psydruid on the server Vista doesn't matter anyway, so I expect Intel to lose more and more of its position in the server business [10:26] techrights-news #microsoft needs to be eradicated, just like ISIS needs to be eradicated. There's no place for such things on this planet. http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/ [10:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and Slush Funds | Techrights [10:26] techrights-news Trying to 'reform' #microsoft is like trying to 'reform' #taliban ... don't bother trying. [10:27] techrights-news NEWS #ITWire #Monopolies #Amazon accused of lying to House panel over business practices https://itwire.com/strategy/amazon-accused-of-lying-to-house-panel-over-business-practices.html [10:27] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/strategy/amazon-accused-of-lying-to-house-panel-over-business-practices.html [10:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Amazon accused of lying to House panel over business practices [10:27] schestowitz-TR psydruid: but Intel is "social justice"... it works to remove "offensive" words from Linux [10:27] *psydruid likens the 'religion' of Microsoft to the 'religion' of the Taliban indeed [10:27] schestowitz-TR maybe it can do a mozilla [10:28] psydruid yes, I laud them for that [10:28] schestowitz-TR and become a "social" company instead of making chips [10:28] psydruid maybe they can remove themselves from Linux too [10:28] schestowitz-TR that takes some effort [10:28] schestowitz-TR they're embedded themselves using money [10:28] schestowitz-TR e.g. shithub [10:28] schestowitz-TR and buying some kernel hackers like sascha levin [10:29] schestowitz-TR they weaponise money [10:29] schestowitz-TR and with bunnies like zemlin 'in charge' we're ruined [10:29] schestowitz-TR all he wants is money.... and 'i' things to 'prove' his status [10:29] schestowitz-TR Torvalds needs to get out [10:29] psydruid in order to make Intel (and Microsoft) small we need to make non-Intel big [10:29] schestowitz-TR he has the name Linuxx [10:29] *leah has quit (connection closed) [10:29] psydruid that means more cheap hardware out there not using Intel hardware to run GNU/Linux on [10:30] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techrights [10:30] psydruid and other free operating systems [10:30] *leah has quit (connection closed) [10:30] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techrights [10:30] schestowitz-TR yes,less waste as well [10:30] schestowitz-TR both in the power consumption sense [10:30] schestowitz-TR and manufacturing sense [10:30] psydruid Torvalds is part of the establishment at this point, unfortunately [10:30] gustaf always has been [10:31] psydruid he won't give up on LInux, unless he is forcibly removed from the project [10:31] psydruid yes, I wanted to say that too [10:31] schestowitz-TR Microsoft to Dell, HP etc: STICK WITH US, WE WILL MAKE PCs obsolete EVERY 3 YEARS.... MOARRRR SALES [10:31] gustaf he's a child of middle-class academics, educated in a mainstream university, and basically followed a whitecollar professional life [10:31] schestowitz-TR psydruid: I did not say he'd give up Linux [10:31] schestowitz-TR he quit OSDL [10:31] psydruid I don't think he's ever really had a spine to stand up to big corporations [10:31] schestowitz-TR others followed [10:31] gustaf he probably has a specific scandi outlook but it's very much establishment [10:31] schestowitz-TR that's why LF exists [10:31] gustaf and he's never made a secret about it [10:32] schestowitz-TR LF is now another OSDL and worse [10:32] gustaf very much pragmatic Open Source as oppsoed to Free Software [10:32] psydruid schestowitz-TR, he doesn't have to give up on it, but he has let things slide for far too long [10:32] schestowitz-TR When Stuart Cohen was flirting with Microsoft it was (IIRC) around the same time OSDL collapsed [10:32] psydruid he can take it with him again, but I doubt he will [10:32] gustaf big corps have been good to Linus [10:33] schestowitz-TR yes [10:33] schestowitz-TR it's a strategy [10:33] schestowitz-TR the media also groomed also his own brand and image [10:33] schestowitz-TR but now some of it throws him too under the bus [10:33] schestowitz-TR because he's too influential [10:33] schestowitz-TR IBM, Intel, Microsoft etc. can control Linux better if he leaves [10:33] schestowitz-TR or kept quiet [10:34] schestowitz-TR so the media entertains the "Linux sexist" BS [10:34] schestowitz-TR to the point where some people won't talk to me... because "Torvalds sexist or GTFO" [10:34] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/06/27/blaming-torvalds/ [10:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Holding Linus Torvalds Accountable for Things He Has Nothing to Do With | Techrights [10:34] schestowitz NO WOMEN PROGRAMMERS? BLAME TORVALDS!!! [10:35] schestowitz-TR they can barely even quote any sexist things he said [10:35] schestowitz-TR they 'feel' he's sexist [10:35] schestowitz-TR like the person who sees a person of another "colour" and 'feel' things [10:36] schestowitz-TR that's something with a word for it: PREJUDICE [10:37] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:38] liberty_box https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58954793 [10:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Covid: Why are UK cases so high? - BBC News [10:39] gustaf https://www.reuters.com/world/russias-daily-covid-19-deaths-exceed-one-thousand-mark-2021-10-16/ [10:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Russia's daily COVID-19 death toll at record high as vaccination program stalls | Reuters [10:40] techrights-news #billBC now has what it calls "Reality Check team". Yes, people who don't cover the #billgates connections to #jeffreyEpstein because Bill pays them is now self-appointed "Reality Check" [10:41] schestowitz-TR gustaf: and they still fake it [10:41] schestowitz-TR as do we... [10:41] schestowitz-TR it's getting cold in Russia [10:42] gustaf apparently the population of Russia actually shrank last year [10:43] gustaf I think there's a massive brain drain from Russia [10:43] gustaf but I might be wrong [10:43] techrights-news #Borisnaro and #Putin both downplaying the death toll of #covid19 but only Borisnaro is dumb enough to say #LetTheBodiesPileUpHigh http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/09/03/borisnaro-data/ [10:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive The Number of Brits Who Died (and Still Die) Because of COVID-19 is a Lot Higher Than the Official Figures [10:43] schestowitz-TR gustaf: not a new issue [10:43] gustaf newp [10:43] schestowitz-TR those who can, leave or left [10:43] schestowitz-TR even google co-founder [10:44] XRevan86 gustaf: Not wrong. [10:45] gustaf I had an interesting conversation more than a decade ago [10:46] gustaf the orcacle DBA hired by the company was born in the Ukraine, but moved with his family to the US when he was a kid [10:46] gustaf according to him, life in the Soviet Union was quite nice if yuo were a doctor like his parents [10:47] gustaf from what I've read, it's a common sentiment in Russian thought to contrast "authentic experience" to the materialism of the west [10:47] gustaf XRevan86: he was ethnically Russian [10:47] gustaf no clue how he feels about Ukraine/Donbass now [10:48] gustaf ``People in Sweden and the Netherlands were more likely than the UK to say they never wore a mask, according to a survey by Imperial College London. But these countries have fewer confirmed Covid cases than the UK.'' [10:48] gustaf I can observe that [10:48] gustaf train station is downright crowded now, almost no-one wears a mask [10:48] gustaf bbl lunhc] [10:50] techrights-news #billBC : "the nation also saw a spike in hospital admissions in recent weeks." OK, so what now BBC Reality Check team? Do we need BETTER vaccines or more of the same? [10:53] techrights-news #billBC Reality Check team LIE: "But when you look at the overall numbers, we are seeing far fewer hospital admissions now". NO! You are comparing July to October to October to January. Quacks, not science. https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/E3B4/production/_121129285_hospital_admissions_facet_17october-nc.png [10:55] XRevan86 gustaf: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=https://thebell.io%2Fpravitelstvo-sprognozirovalo-sokrashhenie-naseleniya-rossii-na-1-mln-chelovek-za-dva-goda [10:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thebell-io.translate.goog | 1 [10:57] techrights-news The final 3 paragraphs from #billBC give the objective away: it's about pushing the #patent pools of #astrazeneca (Bill Gates a SHAREHOLDER, though it developed by funding from British TAXPAYERS!) to rich kids, instead of offering the products to vulnerable/elderly people in poor nations. #patents #monopolies [10:58] *NSA (~b2af9494@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [10:58] NSA https://anonymousplanet.org/guide.html [10:58] *NSA (~b2af9494@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has left #techrights [10:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-anonymousplanet.org | The Hitchhikers Guide to Online Anonymity | The Hitchhikers Guide to Online Anonymity [10:58] schestowitz-TR "NSA was here..." ● Oct 19 [11:00] techrights-news The self-described #billBC Reality Check team is anti-science. #marketing #jingoism for #patent pools, selling products that need further work. [11:01] techrights-news NEWS #CommonDreams After #CIA Plot Revealed, #PressFreedom Coalition Says DOJ Must Drop Assange Case https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/10/18/after-cia-plot-revealed-press-freedom-coalition-says-doj-must-drop-assange-case [11:01] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/10/18/after-cia-plot-revealed-press-freedom-coalition-says-doj-must-drop-assange-case [11:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | After CIA Plot Revealed, Press Freedom Coalition Says DOJ Must Drop Assange Case [11:09] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt Court Tells #Arkansas Troopers That Muting Anti-Cop Terms On Its #Facebook Page Violates The 1st Amendment https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211012/17560147739/court-tells-arkansas-troopers-that-muting-anti-cop-terms-facebook-page-violates-1st-amendment.shtml [11:09] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211012/17560147739/court-tells-arkansas-troopers-that-muting-anti-cop-terms-facebook-page-violates-1st-amendment.shtml [11:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Court Tells Arkansas Troopers That Muting Anti-Cop Terms On Its Facebook Page Violates The 1st Amendment | Techdirt [11:10] techrights-news #Microsoft s very bad year for security: A timeline http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156956 #TuxMachines [11:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Microsoft's very bad year for security: A timeline | Tux Machines [11:10] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156957 #Linux #TuxMachines [11:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [11:10] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt #Privacy Many Digital Divide 'Solutions' Make Privacy And Trust A Luxury Option https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211012/07235747734/many-digital-divide-solutions-make-privacy-trust-luxury-option.shtml [11:10] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211012/07235747734/many-digital-divide-solutions-make-privacy-trust-luxury-option.shtml [11:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Many Digital Divide 'Solutions' Make Privacy And Trust A Luxury Option | Techdirt [11:11] techrights-news #Devuan 4 Chimaera Released with Download Links, Torrents and Checksums http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156784#comment-31445 #gnu #linux [11:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Devuan 4.0 (Chimaera) released | Tux Machines [11:15] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt New Research Shows #SocialControlMedia Doesn't Turn People Into Assholes (They Already Were), And Everyone's Wrong About Echo Chambers https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211017/18143347766/new-research-shows-social-media-doesnt-turn-people-into-assholes-they-already-were-everyones-wrong-about-echo-chambers.shtml but it amplifies them http://hintjens.wikidot.com/blog:114 [11:15] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211017/18143347766/new-research-shows-social-media-doesnt-turn-people-into-assholes-they-already-were-everyones-wrong-about-echo-chambers.shtml [11:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New Research Shows Social Media Doesn't Turn People Into Assholes (They Already Were), And Everyone's Wrong About Echo Chambers | Techdirt [11:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hintjens.wikidot.com | Why I've Quit Twitter - Hintjens.com [11:15] techrights-news Straw man: I Cant Use Free Software. Proprietary Software Is BETTER! https://odysee.com/@DistroTube:2/i-can't-use-free-software.-proprietary:b #DistroTube #gnu #linux #freesw [11:15] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: odysee.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://odysee.com/@DistroTube:2/i-can't-use-free-software.-proprietary:b [11:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | I Can't Use Free Software. Proprietary Software Is BETTER! [11:16] techrights-news These Open Source [sic] SCAMMERS are getting out of control! https://odysee.com/@TheLinuxGamer:f/foss-scams:2 #TheLinuxGamer [11:16] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: odysee.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://odysee.com/@TheLinuxGamer:f/foss-scams:2 [11:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | These Open Source SCAMMERS are getting out of control! [11:18] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt #cn #china #Apple Gives Chinese Government What It Wants (Again); Pulls #Quran App From Chinese App Store https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211016/11041747757/apple-gives-chinese-government-what-it-wants-again-pulls-quran-app-chinese-app-store.shtml [11:18] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211016/11041747757/apple-gives-chinese-government-what-it-wants-again-pulls-quran-app-chinese-app-store.shtml [11:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple Gives Chinese Government What It Wants (Again); Pulls Quran App From Chinese App Store | Techdirt [11:19] techrights-news iophk: "indoctrination "show" where watchers learn to suck up to oligarchs through pointless make-work while backstabbing each other for crumbs" https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/oct/17/english-council-urges-parents-not-to-allow-children-to-watch-squid-game [11:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | English council urges parents not to allow children to watch Squid Game | Squid Game | The Guardian [11:21] techrights-news Someone asked me to "note Thundebird's past actions against Sequoia" but at the moment I see them sabotaging every PGP, both on my machine and my wife's. I miss #enigmail [11:22] techrights-news #billgates #famousCriminal #reputationLaundering #googlebombing PR. iophk: "bumping stuff through the queue and off the first page like that has been going on for about 20 years at least" https://nitter.eu/fcassia/status/1450224947515858951 [11:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.eu | Fernando Cassia (@fcassia): "#Gates #Whitewashing cc/@schestowitz" | nitter [11:24] techrights-news #deletefacebook #fb #facebook #socialcontrolmedia #predation https://neritam.wordpress.com/2021/10/18/facebook-makes-money-when-you-consume-more-content/ [11:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-neritam.wordpress.com | Facebook makes money when you consume more content neritam [11:24] techrights-news iophk: will this also apply to #Microsoft or not? https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/government-policy/u-s-bill-would-stop-big-tech-favoring-its-own-products/87127100 [11:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | Big tech: U.S. bill would stop Big Tech favoring its own products, IT News, ET CIO [11:26] techrights-news iophk: little to no news these days about the heinous #DRM built into the #Apple #M1 [11:26] schestowitz-TR Ariadne: ^^ [11:26] Ariadne there isnt any [11:27] Ariadne thats in the OS [11:27] Ariadne the secure enclave is not capable of DRM and it doesnt even boot by default [11:27] MinceR strange, i thought they were into "security" chips [11:27] MinceR like the one they used to lock GNU/Linux out of some of their PCs [11:28] Techrights-sec I thought that there is something with the audio and or video built into [11:28] Techrights-sec the M1? [11:28] techrights-news The noise site #bloomberg is vanishing behind a #paywall ... judging by what I've seen or found in its coverage of #patents and #microsoft society is better off when 'Mike' Bloomberg's site is less visible [11:29] Ariadne Techrights-sec: not really anything not built into other GPUs on other SoCs [11:29] Ariadne maybe we should have some news about the heinous DRM built into Intel Arc [11:29] techrights-news #apple #pantagon #listeningDevices ... enable a BUG or we will charge you more. #surveillance #espionage agenda like this not limited to Apple (some energy suppliers adopt these methods). https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/10/18/users-search-apple-music-voice-half-price/ [11:29] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/autocomplete [11:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telegraph.co.uk | Apple offers half-price Music but only if you say Hey Siri [11:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Autocomplete [11:30] MinceR well yeah, ever since a TPM is emulated by the backdoor on some CPUs, built-in DRM chips are even more common [11:32] schestowitz-TR many chips have become very user-hostile [11:32] schestowitz-TR out of the box they [11:33] schestowitz-TR 1. contain things the customer does NOT want [11:33] schestowitz-TR 2. help to actively treat the buyer as an enemy [11:33] schestowitz-TR so we need to promote other things [11:33] Ariadne the M1 does not enable those functions by default [11:33] Ariadne no backdoor [11:33] activelow stupid question: what is a "DRM chip"? often it is referred to without precise description. [11:34] Ariadne the entire boot path of the chip has been audited [11:34] schestowitz-TR sometimes the software side of DRM needs hardware seedlings [11:34] schestowitz-TR some chips go out of their way to facilitate it [11:34] Ariadne its way better than the shit intel and amd are pulling [11:34] Ariadne yeah [11:34] schestowitz-TR same for some ports and peripherals [11:34] Ariadne like intel [11:34] Ariadne and amd [11:34] Ariadne especially amd with the PSP [11:34] schestowitz-TR yes [11:35] schestowitz-TR we all agree x86 is better off as just "lgeacy" [11:35] Ariadne go tell raptor to make products people can actually afford [11:35] schestowitz-TR they are too late to debloat it [11:35] schestowitz-TR Intel tried with Atom [11:35] schestowitz-TR we know how that went... [11:35] activelow it isn't necessarily the main CPU, a USB controller too can contain almost anything, or anthying attached to PCIe bus [11:35] activelow who knows what northbridge/southbridge etc. contain and do [11:36] schestowitz-TR graphics more so than usb [11:36] Ariadne at least M1 keeps everything behind IOMMUs and does not require the secure enclave to boot [11:36] schestowitz-TR hdmi and graphics drivers [11:36] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2019/04/26/drm-inside-linux/ [11:36] Ariadne of chips you can go buy [11:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Research Into Whos Putting DRM Inside Linux | Techrights [11:36] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2019/08/31/foss-being-changed-by-monopolies/ [11:36] Ariadne in a machine in a store with cash [11:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux is Not Free/Libre If DRM is Adopted and Open Source is Meaningless in the Age of Openwashing | Techrights [11:36] Ariadne it is the least bad option [11:36] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2019/09/26/linux-as-open-source-proprietary-software/ [11:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux is Not Free Software and Its Getting Harder to Fix It | Techrights [11:37] schestowitz Ariadne: you once asked me about my setup [11:37] schestowitz you said you had used one laptop [11:37] schestowitz and I used 4 at the moment, even 5 if I count the work machine [11:38] schestowitz those only cost less than 200 pounds [11:38] schestowitz or cost that much half a decade ago [11:38] Ariadne and likely have malware [11:38] Ariadne in the firmware [11:38] Ariadne that you cannot remove [11:38] schestowitz modern laptop with very powerful CPU is INSANELY costly [11:38] Ariadne like intel ME [11:38] schestowitz they air at "business" market [11:38] schestowitz Ariadne: no, half are ARM-based [11:38] schestowitz cortex [11:39] Ariadne just because its arm doesnt mean its secured [11:39] schestowitz not sure about trustzone [11:39] schestowitz but some apple 'mini' I would not trust any more [11:39] Ariadne i trust the hardware design not the brand [11:39] schestowitz also, apple auditing its own things doesn't inspire confidance [11:39] schestowitz this is a company that basically says its customers are presumed pedophiles [11:40] schestowitz in violation of US amendments [11:40] Ariadne dont use their services then [11:40] schestowitz I don't [11:40] schestowitz or their products [11:40] schestowitz which are tied to various services [11:40] Techrights-sec dead link : http://www.apple.com/mac/m1/ [11:40] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: apple.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/http://www.apple.com/mac/m1/ [11:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mac - Apple [11:41] MinceR it's also a company that likes to sell products that set themselves on fire [11:41] Ariadne you can literally buy their machine, boot it into recovery mode immediately, install m1 [11:41] Ariadne install m1n1 and then boot into debian [11:41] schestowitz "protect your information and keep your Mac secure." [11:41] schestowitz LOL [11:41] Ariadne without ever having to talk to apple [11:41] schestowitz secure from who? [11:41] schestowitz The police? [11:41] schestowitz FBI? [11:41] Ariadne you can use cash [11:41] Ariadne to buy it [11:42] schestowitz they ask for email address [11:42] schestowitz trust me, I know [11:42] schestowitz a decade ago I bought an iphone for someone who asked for me [11:42] schestowitz *it [11:42] schestowitz they would not give warranty if I had not given personal details [11:42] schestowitz I paid with cash [11:43] schestowitz so it's basically, anonymous buyers pay a MASSIVE LEVY [11:43] Ariadne thats like every store ever [11:43] schestowitz no warranty [11:43] schestowitz which in the case of Apple you ARE likely to NEED [11:43] Ariadne at this point [11:43] schestowitz Ariadne: yes [11:43] Ariadne anyway [11:43] Ariadne point is [11:43] Ariadne you can wipe macos straight away and just run linux on it [11:43] schestowitz but Apple gets paid [11:43] Ariadne no need to use their stupid cloud shit [11:44] Ariadne great [11:44] gustaf Apple stuff costs enough per item that it's a viable venue to launder money [11:44] schestowitz that's why we also discourage gnu/linux users from using anything Microsoft [11:44] schestowitz Microsoft attacks us [11:44] schestowitz that is a fact [11:44] gustaf buy new mac for cash, resell for slight loss online [11:44] schestowitz giving money to the attacker harms us [11:44] Ariadne show me a SKU for a vendor selling cortex-a78 [11:44] Ariadne and i will buy one [11:44] Ariadne and see if its more secure [11:44] schestowitz no need [11:45] schestowitz you can buy several low-cost machine [11:45] schestowitz *machines [11:45] schestowitz even second hand [11:45] Ariadne you can [11:45] Ariadne i have shit to do [11:45] Techrights-sec https://web.archive.org/web/20201221023046/http://www.apple.com/mac/m1/ [11:45] Techrights-sec ok I must have misremembered that the M1 had some kind of DRM-augmenting [11:45] Techrights-sec affliction. It's deep in MacOS though. The web forums are covered with [11:45] Techrights-sec people encountering problems with the DRM. [11:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Apple M1 Chip - Apple [11:46] activelow cortex a-78 is the out-of-order execution series ARM... no thanks [11:46] schestowitz I put ALL sensitive data on just one machinea [11:46] schestowitz and I am very strict about what goes on it [11:46] Ariadne and it probably has a backdoored CPU ^_^ [11:47] schestowitz it contains names of people and stuff... I'd never entrust a white machine with apple logo on it to do this [11:47] schestowitz Ariadne: it's behind a firewall of sorts [11:47] Ariadne even if that is the provably secure option [11:47] schestowitz and yes, it's a second-hand Intel laptop [11:47] schestowitz Apple has only just gotten off Apple [11:48] schestowitz https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2021-10-18/apple-drops-intel-in-biggest-macbook-pro-overhaul-in-years [11:48] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: latimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2021-10-18/apple-drops-intel-in-biggest-macbook-pro-overhaul-in-years [11:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.latimes.com | Apple drops Intel in biggest MacBook Pro overhaul in years - Los Angeles Times [11:48] schestowitz https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-18/apple-aims-at-intel-with-m1-pro-and-m1-max-chips-for-new-macbook [11:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? [11:48] Ariadne i mean i outlined several other options [11:48] schestowitz https://www.macrumors.com/2021/10/18/apple-macbook-pro-lineup-no-intel-chips/ [11:48] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: macrumors.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.macrumors.com/2021/10/18/apple-macbook-pro-lineup-no-intel-chips/ [11:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple Ditches Intel Chips for MacBook Pro With Lineup Featuring M1, M1 Pro, and M1 Max - MacRumors [11:48] schestowitz so we know apple doesn't care about chip security [11:48] schestowitz they just want to make MOAR money selling the mobos too [11:49] Ariadne ???? [11:49] schestowitz instead of paying IBM (PPC), Intel... [11:49] schestowitz Apple is more restrictive than Microsoft [11:49] schestowitz letting them have any leverage over hardware is technical suicide [11:49] Ariadne and yet, linux, running just fine on M1 [11:49] schestowitz look what they did in hypeOS [11:49] psydruid Apple realised it could do a better job designing chips than IBM and Intel [11:49] schestowitz cannot even "sideload" things [11:49] schestowitz that's what they call it [11:49] schestowitz or "jailbreak" [11:50] psydruid after buying PA Semi [11:50] schestowitz you don't own what you buy [11:50] psydruid who had a chip called PWRficient [11:50] MinceR (cat) (audio) https://i.imgur.com/i2yN1ZS.mp4 [11:50] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/i2yN1ZS.mp4 [11:50] psydruid engineers who had previously worked at DEC on Alpha and StrongARM processors [11:50] Ariadne strange, as i have a mac mini running alpine right now and it seems to be doing what i tell it to do and only what i tell it to do [11:50] psydruid did a much better job than IBM did [11:50] Ariadne glad to know i dont own it tho [11:51] psydruid Intel was always going to be stopgap [11:51] schestowitz Ariadne: shop repairs can be an issue [11:51] schestowitz like, if you want apple things repair [11:51] schestowitz see apple's stance on right to repair all those years [11:51] schestowitz and also their repirability scores [11:51] Ariadne i dont care i have microsoldering equipment [11:51] MinceR if you want warranty, "you're holding it wrong" [11:52] schestowitz I think only Nintendo can score worse than Apple [11:52] MinceR you won't get replacement parts though [11:52] Ariadne ive never claimed the warranty on any of this shit [11:52] Ariadne waste of time [11:52] Ariadne except lenovo [11:52] schestowitz it's part of the price [11:52] schestowitz of the product [11:52] Ariadne lenovo for some reason actually honours their warranties [11:52] schestowitz in other places you can get warranty too... and pay less [11:52] Ariadne and have a backdoored x86 cpu [11:53] schestowitz they come with worse [11:53] schestowitz they come with back doored OS, like Apple's [11:53] schestowitz and all 'phones' [11:53] schestowitz with their proprietary radio transmissions [11:53] Ariadne and the backdoored x86 cpu machine comes with backdoored OS like Windows [11:53] schestowitz Maybe the very old Nokia phones are immune to this [11:53] Ariadne your point? [11:54] schestowitz they are all hostile [11:54] schestowitz Apple's [11:54] schestowitz Lenovo's [11:54] schestowitz we can tame them a bit [11:54] schestowitz not at hardware level [11:54] Ariadne all of this is stopgap anyway [11:54] schestowitz yes [11:55] schestowitz apline is a security OS [11:55] Ariadne and alpine running on M1 is secure [11:55] schestowitz but the hardware side is 'up in the air' [11:55] Ariadne well as secure as it can be [11:55] Ariadne without blowing $$$$$$$$$$$ [11:55] Ariadne on raptor hardware [11:56] schestowitz I'm not even sure if any of them as as secure as advertised [11:56] schestowitz I know how chips are designed [11:56] schestowitz the complexity was unbelievable even 20 years ago [11:56] Ariadne im talking about platform security [11:56] Ariadne not stuff like meltdown [11:56] schestowitz I loathe processors that tell us they need direct network access [11:56] schestowitz or over-the-air updates [11:56] schestowitz like firmware [11:56] Ariadne the M1 does not need these things [11:56] Ariadne in fact [11:57] schestowitz we use to have simple mobos with CMOS battery/clock [11:57] Ariadne it has no microcode [11:57] schestowitz now they come with additional OSes like Minix and network access [11:57] Ariadne not the M1 [11:57] schestowitz maybe not yet [11:57] schestowitz I don't trust where apple is doing [11:57] schestowitz prism, now casm [11:57] Ariadne well should that change it wont fit my criteria for being a secure root of trust [11:58] Ariadne and again several other options were listed [11:58] schestowitz the phone in the same room as the PC is a bigger risk than the processor [11:59] Ariadne M1 yes, but also Raptor, also Honeycomb, and even Libreboot got an honorable mention [11:59] schestowitz (if a mobile phone is in the room) [11:59] Ariadne why [11:59] schestowitz FSF does not list M1 [11:59] Ariadne i mean [11:59] Ariadne sure they can turn on the microphone or whatever [11:59] techrights-news Martin Owens: "If even fraction of $$$ creatives spend on software tools went to projects like Blender/Krita/Godot/Inkscape their tools could be their own." - Mastodon https://mastodon.social/@doctormo/107124743963437070 [11:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | Martin Owens: "RT @RancidBacon@twitter.com @AntonHand@twitter.c" - Mastodon ● Oct 19 [12:00] schestowitz GammaGroup and NSO Group come to fmind [12:00] schestowitz FinFisher and pegasus [12:01] Ariadne cool [12:01] Ariadne i dont process sensitive data on my phone [12:01] Ariadne nbd [12:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [12:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 18.21 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 33.30 swarm size (avg): 259.59 [12:01] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt #Copyrights #Copyright #Law Discriminating Against The Blind Finally Struck Down By Court In South Africa https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211018/09235847770/copyright-law-discriminating-against-blind-finally-struck-down-court-south-africa.shtml [12:01] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211018/09235847770/copyright-law-discriminating-against-blind-finally-struck-down-court-south-africa.shtml [12:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Copyright Law Discriminating Against The Blind Finally Struck Down By Court In South Africa | Techdirt [12:01] schestowitz Ariadne: does it check mail on it? [12:02] schestowitz like polling? [12:02] *immibis has quit (connection closed) [12:02] schestowitz if so, the government can have your passwords [12:02] *immibis (~hexchat@acad4bt9wne9w.irc) has joined #techrights [12:02] schestowitz https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/ https://wikileaks.org//vault8/#Hive [12:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikileaks.org | Vault7 - Home [12:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikileaks.org | WikiLeaks - Vault 8 [12:03] Ariadne nope [12:03] Ariadne i use application-specific tokens [12:04] techrights-news NEWS #RobertReich #bribery #corruption #patent #patents Why the hell are Democrats keeping your drug prices high? https://robertreich.org/post/665433751082401793 [12:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-robertreich.org | Robert Reich ([For more analysis and commentary, please join me...) [12:04] techrights-news NEWS #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux Learn the fundamentals of HEY HI and machine learning with our free online course https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/fundamentals-ai-machine-learning-free-online-course/ [12:04] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: raspberrypi.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/fundamentals-ai-machine-learning-free-online-course/ [12:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Learn the fundamentals of AI and machine learning with our free online course - Raspberry Pi [12:07] Ariadne anyway this conversation has outlived its usefulness [12:10] schestowitz-TR very few people buy m1 for security [12:10] Ariadne i still maintain that the M1, on technical merit, is an acceptable root of trust when running Linux. keyword there being Linux. [12:10] Ariadne yes good for them [12:10] Ariadne people should be allowed to buy whatever the hell they want for whatever reason they want [12:11] schestowitz-TR 10 years ago we called for an Apple boycott because Apple was attacking us with patents [12:12] schestowitz-TR Apple as a company has not improved since [12:12] schestowitz-TR and so free software activists generally do antagonise APple [12:12] techrights-news Journal of Runaway1956 (2926): #PureOS is #Debian https://soylentnews.org/~Runaway1956/journal/8879 #soylentnews [12:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Journal of Runaway1956 (2926) [12:13] techrights-news It's been 42 years since 'The Hitchhiker's Guide' answered the ultimate question https://text.npr.org/1046593657 [12:13] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: npr.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://text.npr.org/1046593657 [12:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | It's been 42 years since 'The Hitchhiker's Guide' answered the ultimate question [12:13] techrights-news "Devuan Developers are pleased to announce the release of #Devuan Chimaera 4.0 as the project's newest stable release. This is the result of lots of painstaking work by the team and extensive testing by the wider Devuan community." https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/10/14/2222201 [12:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Devuan 4.0: Chimaera Released! - SoylentNews [12:14] activelow if Apple M1 isn't fully supported by opensource u-boot loader without blobs then it probably isn't any root of trust [12:15] activelow and the aarch64 sbc i am using here with a fully libre u-boot and kernel aren't 100% trustworthy either, due to "reserved"/undocumented memory address regions for whoever/whatever requires those [12:15] activelow chances are the Apple M1 is worse than that [12:16] techrights-news "pro-tip: if you ever get a bit.ly link that you don't trust, add a "+" to the end of the URL so you can be taken to the info page instead" (better yet, avoid link 'shorteners'... they're malicious and contribute to 'Web rot') https://mellow.zone/@mhmd/107117296383674053 [12:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mellow.zone | mhmd: "pro-tip: if you ever get a bit.ly link that you d" - mellow zone [12:16] Ariadne its about the same as that [12:16] Ariadne except not [12:16] Ariadne the reserved memory in your case is trustzone [12:17] Ariadne there is no trustzone on m1 [12:17] techrights-news "Dont. Just dont. How much can they pay you to better enslave humanity by helping them improve their panopticon? No amount is worth having to live with this complicity." https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/107121040110332736 [12:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.ar.al | Aral Balkan: "Dear fellow European software engineers, Dont. " - Arals Mastodon [12:17] activelow Ariadne: there is additional reserved regions, because the trustzone ones are documented; in any case all i've got so far is "undocumented" [12:18] schestowitz-TR I refer back to what I said about complexity of contemporary designs [12:18] Ariadne probably more secure world EL3 shit that isnt documented [12:18] schestowitz-TR it's infeasible even for the chipmakers themselves to fully grasp what goes on [12:18] schestowitz-TR they just mass products tons of defective silicon slabs [12:18] schestowitz-TR *produce [12:19] Ariadne anyway theres nothing stopping somebody from porting uboot to M1 and even replacing NOR with it [12:19] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:19] Ariadne the mask rom doesnt check anything other than a hash [12:19] schestowitz-TR BTW [12:19] schestowitz-TR this is why: [12:19] Ariadne so blow an efuse and flash uboot [12:19] schestowitz-TR voting should be done with paper [12:19] Ariadne have fun [12:19] schestowitz-TR shopping should be done by peopl [12:19] schestowitz-TR etc. [12:19] schestowitz-TR computers aren't of use everywhere [12:19] schestowitz-TR they're too complex now for audits [12:20] schestowitz-TR sometimes similer is the only way forward [12:20] schestowitz-TR the tech utopists [sic] want to stick microchips in every item [12:20] Ariadne i did list my compaq desktop 486 [12:20] activelow Ariadne: if the BROM already initialized the hardware then chainloading another u-boot loader is redundant, and doesn't reveal what the hidden BROM really does [12:20] schestowitz-TR it's a deluded vision of techno-worship [12:20] Ariadne as more trustworthy [12:20] Ariadne activelow: all CPUs [12:20] Ariadne have a mask rom [12:21] Ariadne these days [12:21] Ariadne even your 100% libre sbc [12:21] Ariadne it has a mask rom [12:21] activelow which is another problem, what the mask rom /BROM really is and does [12:21] techrights-news "To celebrate, here is my first ever MA project from a course on ArcGIS. I figured out how to map the Sydney Opera House to find the optimal pricing for seats." https://bsd.network/@bcallah/107125582156302695 [12:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bsd.network | Dr. Brian Callahan: "Ten years ago today I started a wild ride called " - BSD Network [12:22] techrights-news #de #pirateparty P Breyer: "Leading IT security experts such as Bruce Schneier warn about EU attack on #encryption: Plans for #chatcontrol2 are "far more insidious than earlier proposals for key escrow and exceptional access"." https://chaos.social/@echo_pbreyer/107123046944483582 [12:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patrick Breyer: "@radiofm4@twitter.com Leading IT security expe" - chaos.social [12:22] activelow if the Apple M1 BROM already initialized main memory and GPU even then it certainly did and can do alot more than verifying any hash [12:22] Ariadne all the mask rom does on M1 is check that the hash of the payload in NOR has the same hash as recorded in the efuse [12:22] *koo6 (~koo6@89-24-13-235.customers.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [12:22] Ariadne and if so it jumps to some address [12:23] Ariadne thats it [12:23] Ariadne thats also [12:23] Ariadne probably what your mask rom on your sbc does [12:23] activelow ok, just the moment before the jmp to kernel.bin, is main memory and GPU already initialized ? [12:23] Ariadne something along those lines [12:23] Ariadne nope [12:24] Ariadne m1 has multiple stages [12:24] activelow ok. who and what initializes main memory? [12:24] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt #Google #Gulag #Surveillance Study Shows How #Android Phones Still Track Users, Even When 'Opted Out' https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211013/08215847740/study-shows-how-android-phones-still-track-users-even-when-opted-out.shtml all 'mobile' or 'smart' phones are irremediable mess [12:24] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211013/08215847740/study-shows-how-android-phones-still-track-users-even-when-opted-out.shtml [12:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Study Shows How Android Phones Still Track Users, Even When 'Opted Out' | Techdirt [12:24] Ariadne stage1 initializes the main memory [12:24] activelow is this stage1 opensource? [12:24] Ariadne and jumps to stage2 [12:24] Ariadne no but you can replace it [12:24] techrights-news NEWS #CreativeCommons A time of new beginnings and heartfelt farewells https://creativecommons.org/2021/10/18/a-time-of-new-beginnings-and-heartfelt-farewells/ [12:24] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: creativecommons.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://creativecommons.org/2021/10/18/a-time-of-new-beginnings-and-heartfelt-farewells/ [12:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-creativecommons.org | A time of new beginnings and heartfelt farewells - Creative Commons [12:25] Ariadne the only thing you cant replace is stage0 which is literally maskrom [12:25] activelow Ariadne: does any replacement for the closed-source stage1 exist already? i do not know how to replace it. [12:25] Ariadne nope but im sure somebody will do it eventually [12:25] activelow u-boot loader exists, however i am not aware Apple does provide support for a clean free and opensource u-boot loader [12:26] Ariadne i dont think apple provides support for modifying hardware no [12:26] techrights-news #CreativeCommons has outsourced its operations to #clownflare despite its #surveillance #censorship and #copyright policing (ignore the PR ploy/stunt 'court' cases) [12:26] activelow u-boot loader is software, often flashed into an SPI flash rom [12:27] Ariadne yes i know [12:27] Ariadne and if uboot is ported [12:27] Ariadne to m1 [12:27] Ariadne you could put it in the NOR flash [12:27] Ariadne as a replacement for stage1 iboot [12:27] Ariadne and then do whatever you want [12:27] activelow "iboot" [12:28] schestowitz-TR i for intel services? [12:28] activelow wouldn't know, apple had to tell [12:28] Ariadne i because it was originally the iphone boot loader [12:28] Ariadne presumably [12:28] MinceR i doubt we already know all the malicious bits in the M1 [12:28] techrights-news NEWS #TruthOut #Pandemic #covid19 #classwar #WealthPassage US Billionaires Became $2.1 Trillion Richer in 19 Months of Pandemic https://truthout.org/articles/us-billionaires-became-2-1-trillion-richer-in-19-months-of-pandemic/ [12:28] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/us-billionaires-became-2-1-trillion-richer-in-19-months-of-pandemic/ [12:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | US Billionaires Became $2.1 Trillion Richer in 19 Months of Pandemic [12:29] MinceR afaik we didn't find out so quickly about ME, PSP, etc. [12:29] Ariadne nope ME was known from day 0 [12:29] Ariadne intel upstreamed drivers into linux for it [12:29] schestowitz was it known back then what its purpose can become? [12:29] Ariadne remember ME literally turns the computer on and off [12:30] Ariadne yes [12:30] activelow i would bet the "iboot" too contained some ATF type firmware, which is the equivalent of PSP/ME etc... and very dangerous if it isn't opensource [12:30] Ariadne nope [12:30] Ariadne stage1 iboot is incredibly boring [12:31] Ariadne M1 doesnt even have EL3 secure world [12:31] Ariadne like i said a while ago the only SKU similar that i am aware of is the qualcomm snapdragon 7c [12:31] activelow it doesn't expose any, besides ATF implements other features, such as DRAM-init [12:32] Ariadne oh yes, stage1 does init the DRAM [12:32] Ariadne it then goes and tries to load stage2 off disk [12:32] activelow same do intelME, amd PSP [12:32] Ariadne but it doesnt really know anything about disk [12:33] Ariadne like it can talk to the nvme storage sorta using AHCI [12:33] Ariadne thats about it [12:33] Ariadne doesnt know PCIe or anything [12:34] MinceR even when the PSP was discussed, the fact that at the end of the boot process it loads another OS and starts running it was just mentioned as an aside [12:34] techrights-news NEWS #EFF #wikileaks EFF Joins Press Freedom Groups In Asking U.S. To Drop #Assange Extradition Efforts https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/10/eff-joins-press-freedom-groups-asking-us-drop-assange-extradition-efforts still, unfortunately, some EFF staff STILL defames him [12:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | EFF Joins Press Freedom Groups In Asking U.S. To Drop Assange Extradition Efforts | Electronic Frontier Foundation [12:34] Ariadne there is none of that going on in M1 [12:35] Ariadne once stage2 hands over control to your payload, its gone [12:35] Ariadne if you have an OS image for the SEP you can boot that yourself [12:35] activelow where are those stages executed? on main cpu or anywhere else? [12:35] Ariadne other than that, it remains offline [12:35] Ariadne yes main cpu [12:35] Ariadne stage1 initializes dram and the core complex [12:36] Ariadne then it loads stage2 from disk using AHCI [12:36] techrights-news NEWS #CounterPunch #SocialControlMedia Legacy Social Media: Free as in Beer, Not as in Speech https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/10/18/legacy-social-media-free-as-in-beer-not-as-in-speech/ "What kind of action Does Haugen advocate?" [12:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Legacy Social Media: Free as in Beer, Not as in Speech - CounterPunch.org [12:36] Ariadne stage2 then initializes the GPU, sets up a frame buffer, populates a device tree and starts a kernel [12:36] activelow how can this be verified? because, typically, ARM implements ATF, which is required to initialize DRAM. [12:37] activelow and then, with ARM, PSCI is common (power state control interface) implemented by ATF running on a dedicated cortex-m0 [12:37] Ariadne the secure rom and stage1/2 blobs are inspectable [12:37] Ariadne you can see what they do with ghidra [12:37] Ariadne just like auditing any other blob [12:38] Ariadne well except for encrypted ones [12:38] activelow does the Apple M1 linux kernel require ARM PSCI? if so who and where is it implemented? [12:38] techrights-news #PIA perpatuates negative stigma about the term Hacking https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/hacking-the-world-part-3-the-hackers-and-the-hacked/ #privateinternetaccess [12:38] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: privateinternetaccess.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/hacking-the-world-part-3-the-hackers-and-the-hacked/ [12:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.privateinternetaccess.com | Hacking the World Part 3: The Hackers and the Hacked [12:38] Ariadne nope does not implement PSCI at all [12:38] activelow you're sure? [12:38] Ariadne there is some funky apple system registers that get touched instead [12:38] Ariadne to turn off the system [12:39] techrights-news Also, #privateinternetaccess loves #privacy so much that it has outsourced its operations to an American #surveillance giant, #clownflare [12:39] Ariadne anyway night [12:39] schestowitz-TR nn [12:39] activelow sleep well [12:39] techrights-news NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights Filmmakers Withdraw #PopcornTime 'Blocking' Request After Google Shows Up https://torrentfreak.com/filmmakers-withdraw-popcorn-time-blocking-request-after-google-shows-up-211018/ [12:39] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/filmmakers-withdraw-popcorn-time-blocking-request-after-google-shows-up-211018/ [12:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Filmmakers Withdraw Popcorn Time 'Blocking' Request After Google Shows Up * TorrentFreak [12:39] techrights-news NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights Dune Leaked on #fileSharing Sites Before US Theatrical & HBO Max Release https://torrentfreak.com/dune-leaked-on-pirate-sites-before-us-theatrical-hbo-max-release-211018/ [12:39] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/dune-leaked-on-pirate-sites-before-us-theatrical-hbo-max-release-211018/ [12:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dune Leaked on Pirate Sites Before US Theatrical & HBO Max Release * TorrentFreak [12:46] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/foil [12:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Foil [12:52] schestowitz-TR MinceR: caroon without clownflare\0/ [12:52] schestowitz-TR *cartoon [12:57] *psydroid3 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #techrights ● Oct 19 [13:00] techrights-news NEWS #MichaelGeist #canada #Internet The Law Bytes Podcast, Episode 104: Taylor Owen on What the Latest Facebook Revelations Mean for Canadas Online Harms Legislative Plans https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2021/10/law-bytes-podcast-episode-104/ [13:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.michaelgeist.ca | The Law Bytes Podcast, Episode 104: Taylor Owen on What the Latest Facebook Revelations Mean for Canada's Online Harms Legislative Plans - Michael Geist [13:08] techrights-news "the rich withdraw into gated villas, travel in their own private jets, and buy their own Picassos so that they dont have to mix with the hoi polloi at museums." https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/10/18/the-embarrassment-of-riches/ [13:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Embarrassment of Riches - CounterPunch.org [13:32] techrights-news Companies that use so-called 'white guilt' as a #MARKETING strategy need to be called out, e.g. #IBM http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Racism [13:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM - Techrights [13:35] techrights-news I miss Carlin skits https://yewtu.be/watch?v=EkTeZLiNCoM #video [13:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | When you are born in this world, you are given a ticket to the Freak Show - George Carlin - Invidious [13:36] schestowitz-TR MinceR: ^ [13:36] schestowitz-TR he nails it [13:36] schestowitz-TR didn't see this one before [13:36] schestowitz-TR he sounds like you... [13:45] schestowitz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCGGWeD_EJk [13:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Jon Stewart Interviews George Carlin - YouTube [13:45] schestowitz also of interest [13:51] techrights-news Links 19/10/2021: Sequoia PGP LGPL 2.0+, Open RAN Adoption http://techrights.org/2021/10/19/open-ran-adoption/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/19/open-ran-adoption/ [13:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 19/10/2021: Sequoia PGP LGPL 2.0+, Open RAN Adoption | Techrights [13:52] techrights-news #ProprietarySoftware and #DRM http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156958 #TuxMachines [13:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software and DRM | Tux Machines [13:52] techrights-news Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156959 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [13:53] techrights-news Microsoft GitHub Expos Part III likely to be published in the weekend or next week. I'm in no hurry to publish those and we have about two dozen parts to go! #microsoft #deletegitHub #ItsATrap [13:54] techrights-news Today's focus on #techrights will be Denmark, Iceland, Finland, Norway and Sweden [13:55] techrights-news Half-Life 2 and the episodes get a Beta with #Vulkan (DXVK) and more | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/half-life-2-and-the-episodes-get-a-beta-with-vulkan-dxvk-and-more #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games [13:55] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/half-life-2-and-the-episodes-get-a-beta-with-vulkan-dxvk-and-more [13:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Half-Life 2 and the episodes get a Beta with Vulkan (DXVK) and more | GamingOnLinux [13:56] techrights-news #HowTo Install #CounterStrike on Ubuntu https://linuxhint.com/install_counter_strike_ubuntu/ #LinuxHint #GNU #Linux (I was addicted to this game; it's great for passing time) [13:56] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: linuxhint.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxhint.com/install_counter_strike_ubuntu/ [13:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxhint.com | How to Install Counter-Strike on Ubuntu [13:57] techrights-news "Seems to be one we missed during #Gamescom this year as we had no idea they planned #GNU #Linux support at the time." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/project-haven-looks-like-a-very-slick-turn-based-tactics-delight-due-in-2022 #games [13:57] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/project-haven-looks-like-a-very-slick-turn-based-tactics-delight-due-in-2022 [13:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Project Haven looks like a very slick turn-based tactics delight due in 2022 | GamingOnLinux [13:58] techrights-news #microsoft #windows Nemesis https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/proton-experimental-sees-another-small-update-fixing-up-fallout-76-updating-vkd3d-proton [13:58] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/proton-experimental-sees-another-small-update-fixing-up-fallout-76-updating-vkd3d-proton [13:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Proton Experimental sees another small update fixing up Fallout 76, updating VKD3D-Proton | GamingOnLinux [13:59] techrights-news #valve is leaving #microsoft #windows BEHIND https://boilingsteam.com/steam-deck-verified-understanding-compatibility/ [13:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | Steam Deck Verified: Understanding Compatibility - Boiling Steam ● Oct 19 [14:01] techrights-news #steammachines are back, but with #archlinux instead of #debian #gnu #linux https://news.itsfoss.com/steamdeck-verified/ [14:01] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: itsfoss.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://news.itsfoss.com/steamdeck-verified/ [14:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.itsfoss.com | Valve is Reviewing Games Compatible with SteamOS - It's FOSS News [14:02] techrights-news "After your next futuristic point and click adventure? Check out The Sundew which is out now along with native #GNU #Linux support." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/the-sundew-is-a-story-rich-point-a-click-set-in-the-aftermath-of-a-devastating-future-war #games #gaming [14:02] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/the-sundew-is-a-story-rich-point-a-click-set-in-the-aftermath-of-a-devastating-future-war [14:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Sundew is a story-rich point & click set in the aftermath of a devastating future war | GamingOnLinux [14:04] techrights-news #Linux 5.14.9 starts to land in Debian Backports for #Debian 11 - BaronHKs Rants https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/19/linux-5-14-9-starts-to-land-in-debian-backports-for-debian-11-bullseye/ #baronhk [14:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Linux 5.14.9 starts to land in Debian Backports for Debian 11 Bullseye. BaronHK's Rants [14:05] techrights-news LOL. #google needs to #deletegithub ... who are those #DeepMind devs fooling? #ProprietarySoftware hosting means #microsoft partly controls the project. https://www.itsfoss.net/deepmind-announces-mujoco-physical-process-simulator/ [14:05] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: itsfoss.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.itsfoss.net/deepmind-announces-mujoco-physical-process-simulator/ [14:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DeepMind Announces MuJoCo Physical Process Simulator - itsfoss.net [14:10] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [14:23] psydruid https://www.eejournal.com/article/machine-learning-esperanto-coaxes-1092-risc-v-processors-to-dance-on-the-head-of-a-pin-er-chip/ [14:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Machine Learning: Esperanto coaxes 1092 RISC-V Processors to Dance on the Head of a Pin, er Chip EEJournal [14:24] schestowitz-TR Esperanto [14:24] schestowitz-TR I remember them.. [14:25] techrights-news You need #x86 h No, you don't... https://www.eejournal.com/article/machine-learning-esperanto-coaxes-1092-risc-v-processors-to-dance-on-the-head-of-a-pin-er-chip/ [14:26] schestowitz https://www.eejournal.com/article/machine-learning-esperanto-coaxes-1092-risc-v-processors-to-dance-on-the-head-of-a-pin-er-chip/ [14:27] schestowitz "It will also be interesting to see if history repeats itself for Dave Ditzel. He once tweaked Intels nose with the low-power Transmeta Crusoe x86 processor. " [14:27] schestowitz "Based on its analyses, Esperanto claims that the ET-SoC-1 ML inference engine achieves 123X better performance per watt on the MLPerf Deep Learning Recommendation Model benchmark compared to an Intel Xeon Platinum 8380H processor and 25.7X better performance per watt on the ResNet 50 benchmark compared to an Intel Xeon Platinum 9282." 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To make matters worse, #wsl2 is an ATTACK on #gnu #linux wo WTH are they doing??? https://www.kdab.com/wayland-on-windows/ [14:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wayland on Windows - How to Run Directly - KDAB on Qt [14:44] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156961 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [14:46] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.eu/Telstra/status/1450447912341696513#m [14:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.eu | Telstra (@Telstra): "Hi there! We aim for a smooth experience for all our customers, but sometimes a spanner gets thrown in the works. Is there anything that we can give you a hand with? - Laura" | nitter [14:46] schestowitz-TR bot? [14:46] schestowitz-TR Laura the bot [14:46] schestowitz-TR scritpted [14:48] techrights-news #Telstra operating #customerRetention BOTS in #australia https://nitter.eu/Telstra/status/1450447912341696513#m this Laura thing is at least partly a computer program. #au ● Oct 19 [15:21] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156962 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [15:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [15:22] techrights-news Juno Linux laptop range with AMD and Intel options launches from $1,150 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156925#comment-31446 [15:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Junos Linux laptops now available with Intel Tiger Lake-H or AMD Ryzen 5000H | Tux Machines [15:37] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [15:38] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [15:44] gustaf didn't Linus work for Transmeta [15:45] schestowitz-TR he did [15:45] schestowitz-TR patents too [15:52] techrights-news #Norway Should Have Voted Against Benot Battistellis Illegal (Anti-)Strike Regulations at the European #Patent Office http://techrights.org/2021/10/19/european-patent-office-and-norway/ #europe #patents [15:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Norway Should Have Voted Against Benot Battistellis Illegal (Anti-)Strike Regulations at the European Patent Office | Techrights [15:54] techrights-news Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156963 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #EPO #Europe [15:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines ● Oct 19 [16:01] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:03] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [16:06] techrights-news Most deadly #covid19 (as per deaths!) day today. Figures released a minute ago show we do worst in half a year and a lot worse than the same time one year ago. No wonder #billBC prepared its face-saving propaganda in advance this morning (basically comparing apples to oranges... or summer 2021 to winter 2020-21... like, WTH???) [16:07] *CrystalMath (~coderain@3a4wpt8agtuys.irc) has joined #techrights [16:11] techrights-news [Meme] [Teaser] #GitHub an Expensive and Dangerous Trap (Also: #Misogyny Hub) http://techrights.org/2021/10/19/meme-teaser-github-an-expensive-and-dangerous-trap-also-misogyny-hub/ #microsoft #deletegithub #ItsATrap [16:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] [Teaser] GitHub an Expensive and Dangerous Trap (Also: Misogyny Hub) | Techrights [16:15] activelow misogyny hub, lol [16:15] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@7dtfigey9mqvs.irc) has joined #techrights [16:15] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [16:15] schestowitz-TR we'll show stories [16:15] schestowitz-TR ceo implicated [16:16] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.eu/zoobab/status/1450477185760956426#m [16:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.eu | zoobab "NO Software Patents" (@zoobab): ""Please investigate" did not happen, we should have gone to court over this one. Like we will have to go to court for the recycled UPC impact assessment by the European Commission." | nitter [16:16] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.eu/zoobab/status/1450476917140951041#m [16:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.eu | zoobab "NO Software Patents" (@zoobab): "OOXML days!" | nitter [16:16] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.eu/Telstra/status/1450462108685045769#m [16:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.eu | Telstra (@Telstra): "Sometimes I kind of wish I was partly a computer program but alas, sadly I am 100% human. Still here to help with any Telstra enquiries though, so don't hesitate to sing out if you need anything - Laura" | nitter [16:19] techrights-news #Telstra stalking and assigning reps to each "tweet" that mentions Telstra. Try it. Usually companies resort to this when there is #CrisisManagement https://nitter.eu/Telstra/status/1450462108685045769#m #au #australia [16:22] techrights-news #Telstra hired malicious mole #StephenElop after he had destroyed #nokia (because it had adopted #linux ) on behalf of #microsoft http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Nokia [16:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Nokia - Techrights [16:25] techrights-news "Elop was dismissed from #Telstra as part of its restructuring on 31 July 2018," according to #wikipedia but the fact remains: they gave a job to a malicious anti #linux mole http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Nokia [16:27] techrights-news Even the wife of #StephenElop (whom #Telstra hired) divorced him after he had destroyed #Nokia (a couple of years later) http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Nokia #billgates marriage broke down after https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html [16:27] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html [16:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His Past - The New York Times [16:28] techrights-news "Well, he's dead..." http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/bill-gates-jeffrey-epstein-and-rick-allen-jones/ [16:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | What is Known for a Fact (Not Speculation) About Bill Gates, Jeffrey Epstein, and Rick Allen Jones | Techrights [16:30] techrights-news Karma for fools who add #Microsoft ( #NSA back doors partner) stuff inside #GNU / #Linux https://betanews.com/2021/10/19/microsoft-tells-sysadmins-to-update-powershell-7-to-fix-flaw-that-could-expose-credentials-in-linux/ http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Nokia [16:30] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: betanews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://betanews.com/2021/10/19/microsoft-tells-sysadmins-to-update-powershell-7-to-fix-flaw-that-could-expose-credentials-in-linux/ [16:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | Microsoft tells sysadmins to update PowerShell 7 to fix flaw that could expose credentials in Linux [16:33] techrights-news #microsoft is a very major #privacy abuser https://undark.org/2021/10/18/computer-scientists-try-to-sidestep-ai-data-dilemma/ don't be distracted by their #lobbyists http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/ [16:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-undark.org | Can AI's Voracious Appetite Be Tamed? [16:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft is a Lot Worse Than Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple | Techrights [16:35] techrights-news #MontaVista MVShield Support Now Available for #RockyLinux Baselines https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/montavista-mvshield-support-now-available-for-rocky-linux-baselines-301386188.html [16:35] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: prnewswire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/montavista-mvshield-support-now-available-for-rocky-linux-baselines-301386188.html [16:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | MontaVista MVShield Support Now Available for Rocky Linux Baselines [16:36] techrights-news MoUs for algorithms and data for profit: 4 new MoUs signed between the Ministry of #Agriculture and private corporations, including Jio and #Cisco. https://internetfreedom.in/algorithms-in-mous-and-data-for-profit-4-new-mous-signed-between-the-ministry-of-agriculture-and-private-corporations-including-jio-and-cisco/ #internetfreedom #india #slavery [16:36] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: internetfreedom.in | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://internetfreedom.in/algorithms-in-mous-and-data-for-profit-4-new-mous-signed-between-the-ministry-of-agriculture-and-private-corporations-including-jio-and-cisco/ [16:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-internetfreedom.in | MoUs for algorithms and data for profit: 4 new MoUs signed between the Ministry of Agriculture and private corporations, including Jio and Cisco. [16:37] techrights-news #ibm #cisco #microsoft et al: you cannot say slavery because slavery is what we do for profit and we hate it when people point out that we're gaining from slavery [16:38] techrights-news #Zuckerberg himself said that Facebook should become a metaverse company. https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/08/mark-zuckerberg-is-nolan-sorrento/ [16:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | Mark Zuckerberg is Nolan Sorrento | Stop at Zona-M [16:39] techrights-news Zuckerberg: I cover the Webcam of my OWN laptop. Please send me nudes: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/nov/07/facebook-revenge-porn-nude-photos [16:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Facebook asks users for nude photos in project to combat 'revenge porn' | Facebook | The Guardian [16:40] techrights-news #gulag money for low-cost labour https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/10/19/libreoffice-and-google-summer-of-code-2021-the-results/ [16:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.documentfoundation.org | LibreOffice and Google Summer of Code 2021: The results - The Document Foundation Blog [16:41] techrights-news Excellent Free Tutorials to Learn Octave https://www.linuxlinks.com/excellent-free-tutorials-learn-octave/ back in the days I did many text and video tutorials for it [16:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Excellent Free Tutorials to Learn Octave - LinuxLinks [16:42] techrights-news #GNU #dbm - News: Version 1.22 http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=10064 #freesw [16:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-savannah.gnu.org | GNU dbm - News: Version 1.22 [Savannah] [16:45] techrights-news Hardware is becoming more hostile towards the user -- to the point of arrogantly assuming that the people who bought the hardware are the enemy and therefore control over the hardware should be passed over to untrustworthy vendors. It's another example of "defective by design" products. https://ariadne.space/2021/10/19/trustworthy-computing-in-2021/ [16:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ariadne.space | Trustworthy computing in 2021 Ariadne's Space [16:57] techrights-news #KDE Plasma 5.23 Gets First Point Release, Plasma Wayland Sees More Improvements http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156964 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Plasma 5.23 Gets First Point Release, Plasma Wayland Sees More Improvements | Tux Machines [16:58] techrights-news #GitUI: A Blazing Fast Terminal Client for Git Written in Rust http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156965 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GitUI: A Blazing Fast Terminal Client for Git Written in Rust | Tux Machines [16:58] *psymin has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [16:58] *psymin has quit (connection closed) [16:58] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [16:58] *psymin (~psymin@user/psymin) has joined #techrights [16:58] techrights-news Release candidate: #Godot 3.4 RC 1 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156966 #deletegithub #TuxMachines [16:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Release candidate: Godot 3.4 RC 1 | Tux Machines ● Oct 19 [17:00] techrights-news #redhat #ibm should know burnout... lots of staff left lately, inc. top-tier management https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/10/how-leaders-prevent-burnout [17:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | 5 ways leaders can fight team burnout | The Enterprisers Project [17:01] techrights-news The pace of digital innovation across industries was already rapid, but COVID accelerated change" more so at #redhat and #ibm where they now FORCE all staff (even home workers) to get a vaccine that's not so effective https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/10/it-hiring-5-signs-continuous-learner [17:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | IT hiring: 5 signs of a continuous learner | The Enterprisers Project [17:04] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [17:05] techrights-news Astounding how #billBC finds the courage to frame surge in #covid19 cases and spike in deaths as 'actually' a GoodThing(TM) by misleading readers, comparing apples to oranges (or summer to winter). First the BBC helped cover up for Jimmy Savile (until he was dead), now it's selling #patent pools for pervert #billgates [17:05] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [17:06] techrights-news Pity the people who still think of #billgates as #covid19 champion. http://techrights.org/2021/05/11/bill-gates-exposed-2021/ [17:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bill Gates Exposed | Techrights [17:07] techrights-news Woohoo! More #surveillance on kids https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/09/is-a-school-backpack-app-bad-or-good/ [17:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | Is a school backpack app bad, or good? | Stop at Zona-M [17:07] *inky_ (~inky@46.241.131.47) has joined #techrights [17:07] techrights-news Speaking of #surveillance for kids or spying on kids http://techrights.org/2012/06/19/pedometers/ #billgates #kids [17:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Billions for Indoctrinating Children | Techrights [17:09] techrights-news Worried About Facial Recognition? Big Tech Wants Your Anal Prints Too https://www.thequint.com/tech-and-auto/worried-about-facial-recognition-big-tech-wants-your-anal-prints-too [17:09] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: thequint.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thequint.com/tech-and-auto/worried-about-facial-recognition-big-tech-wants-your-anal-prints-too [17:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thequint.com | Worried About Facial Recognition? Big Tech Wants Your Anal Prints Too [17:11] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [17:12] techrights-news What #microsoft cofounder #paulAllen thought of #billgates http://techrights.org/2011/04/04/bill-gates-exposed/ any comment, Bill? Gates: Well, he's dead (technically he is...) [17:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Co-founder Traul Allen Says Bill Gates is a Bully | Techrights [17:15] techrights-news Preston Gralla, a #Microsoft booster (article removed since): "Paul Allens memoir about his founding and helping run Microsoft paints #BillGates as an unprincipled shark, conniving to get Allen to give up a sizable percentage of the ownership of Microsoft, and constantly bullying employees." [17:15] techrights-news "Well, he's dead" http://techrights.org/2021/09/28/gates-funded-pbs/ #billgates #jeffreyepstein [17:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bill Gates Over Microsoft Skype in Gates-Funded PBS | Techrights [17:17] techrights-news Benot Battistellis #EPO faced no real and potent opposition from #Norwegian delegates, who chose to abstain from the vote on the notorious and illegal so-called Strike Regulations (theyre just an attack on strikes, an assault on basic rights of labourers) http://techrights.org/2021/10/19/european-patent-office-and-norway/ [17:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Norway Should Have Voted Against Benot Battistellis Illegal (Anti-)Strike Regulations at the European Patent Office | Techrights [17:18] techrights-news The ongoing #Microsoft GitHub expos will give people compelling reasons to avoid #GitHub , which is basically just a subsidised (at a loss) trap http://techrights.org/2021/10/19/meme-teaser-github-an-expensive-and-dangerous-trap-also-misogyny-hub/ #deletegithub #ProprietarySoftware #ItsATrap [17:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] [Teaser] GitHub an Expensive and Dangerous Trap (Also: Misogyny Hub) | Techrights [17:20] techrights-news #TMobile Home #Internet #Nokia modem took a dump on me. No internet for three hours and then very slow speeds. - BaronHKs Rants https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/19/t-mobile-home-internet-nokia-modem-took-a-dump-on-me-no-internet-for-three-hours-and-then-very-slow-speeds/ #baronhk [17:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | T-Mobile Home Internet Nokia modem took a dump on me. No internet for three hours and then very slow speeds. BaronHK's Rants [17:22] techrights-news #EU accused of disregarding human rights when supporting law enforcement abroad https://www.euractiv.com/section/justice-home-affairs/news/eu-accused-of-disregarding-human-rights-when-supporting-law-enforcement-abroad/ well, #euractiv disregarded crimes of #billgates when it took bribes from him [17:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-EU accused of disregarding human rights when supporting law enforcement abroad EURACTIV.com [17:23] techrights-news "According to a report from #CISA last week, there were three ransomware attacks against water treatment plants last year." https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2021/10/ransomware-attacks-against-water-treatment-plants.html #microsoft #windows for sure. http://techrights.org/2021/05/02/ransomware-task-force/ [17:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ransomware Attacks against Water Treatment Plants - Schneier on Security [17:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft-Centric Ransomware Task Force | Techrights [17:27] activelow c++ awesome [17:27] activelow HashSet.h:191:32: error: could not [17:27] activelow convert '((WTF::HashSet*)this)->WTF::HashSet::m_impl.WTF::HashTable, WTF::StringHash, WTF::HashTraits, WTF::HashTraits >::add((* & value))' from 'pair, [17:27] activelow WTF::StringHash, WTF::HashTraits, WTF::HashTraits >,[...]>' to 'pair, WTF::StringHash, WTF::HashTraits, WTF::HashTraits >, WTF::StringImpl*>,[...]>' [17:27] schestowitz-TR WTF? ;-) [17:27] schestowitz-TR Windows Trap Foundations [17:29] techrights-news #ibm #redhat pushing "Red Hat" as a "skill" so that people will entrench and entrap companies (as digital slaves of IBM support contracts) https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/it-automation-training [17:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Why IT automation training is a smart way to boost your career | Enable Sysadmin [17:30] techrights-news Landgrab by #billgates and other mobsters: "There is already a lot of Land Governance Digitalization going on, in every corner of the world." https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/09/negative-impacts-of-land-digitization/ [17:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | Negative impacts of land digitization | Stop at Zona-M [17:32] techrights-news #billgates ego: I will hang around with sex traffickers and then pay #twitter to DE-platforms people who point out that I hang around with sex traffickers http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/bill-gates-pays-twitter/ [17:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Reality is Warped When You Pay for Perception Management (or: Bill Gates Pays Twitter for Propaganda) | Techrights [17:34] techrights-news "Original photo by mshipp. Modified by Rikki Endsley. CC BY-SA 2.0." Rikki quietly left #ibm #redhat https://opensource.com/article/21/10/mark-text-markdown-editor #markdown #freesw [17:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why Mark Text is my favorite markdown editor | Opensource.com [17:35] techrights-news Crystal 1.2 #programming language Released - itsfoss.net https://www.itsfoss.net/crystal-1-2-programming-language-released/ #ItsFOSS #GNU #Linux #Freesw [17:35] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: itsfoss.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.itsfoss.net/crystal-1-2-programming-language-released/ [17:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Crystal 1.2 programming language Released - itsfoss.net [17:38] techrights-news Early Progress Made On Porting #Radeon #Vulkan Driver To BeOS-Inspired# HaikuOS - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=RADV-Port-WIP-For-Haiku [17:38] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=RADV-Port-WIP-For-Haiku [17:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Early Progress Made On Porting Radeon Vulkan Driver To BeOS-Inspired Haiku OS - Phoronix [17:39] techrights-news #Security : Microsoft, Trustworthy Computing, and Windows Ransomware http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156967 #TuxMachines [17:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Microsoft, 'Trustworthy' Computing, and Windows Ransomware | Tux Machines [17:39] techrights-news #IBM / #RedHat Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156968 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines [17:59] techrights-news #Programming / #Development Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156969 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming/Development Leftovers | Tux Machines ● Oct 19 [18:00] techrights-news Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156970 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [18:07] techrights-news Links 19/10/2021: GNU #dbm 1.22 and Godot 3.4 RC 1 http://techrights.org/2021/10/19/godot-3-4-rc-1/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/19/godot-3-4-rc-1/ [18:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 19/10/2021: GNU dbm 1.22 and Godot 3.4 RC 1 | Techrights [18:07] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@kqq9jdmayg7wg.irc) has joined #techrights [18:39] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:40] activelow hadn't seen such before... in 5minutes build.log is flooded with warnings reaching a size of almost 100MiB, -fpermissive in place, what a bliss c++ is [18:42] activelow had to set -std=gnu++98, and #if 0 #endif surrounding some c++11 features, remove some asserts... to reach that point [18:44] *scientes (~scientes@7idtvmteedqgs.irc) has joined #techrights [18:44] scientes Why do all the big companies have their own programming languages these days, for the sole purpose of locking people in? [18:44] scientes They all think Visual BASIC was a GREAT idea aparently [18:44] scientes I'm not talking about serious languages like go [18:44] scientes but Kotlin, Swift, et cetera [18:46] activelow scientes: and golang doesn't remove c++ dependencies anywhere [18:46] scientes activelow, ? [18:46] scientes golang is totally a differn't langauge than c++ [18:46] scientes and because of the garbage collector is also a lock-in thing [18:47] scientes but go-lang has interesting objectives, like rust, which it accomplished [18:47] activelow scientes: sorry, didn't answer your question, i know. yes, golang is different. nonetheless alot of c++ stuff cannot be removed or replaced... beginning with gcc compiler which is partly written in c++ nowadays [18:47] scientes you don't know what you are talking about [18:48] activelow oh, by coincidence i stumbled upon c++ fun a moment ago [18:48] scientes it should be called C++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ [18:49] activelow i mean, if all c++ could be removed completely from the system, and instead some golang sneaked into [18:49] scientes (add more + ever revision) [18:49] activelow instead, google pushed golang, some others rust, and c++ horror remains [18:50] scientes google doesn't push golang [18:50] scientes it was an internal thing [18:50] scientes they ARE pushing kotlin [18:50] activelow kotlin is a jvm language [18:50] activelow not interested either [18:50] scientes its gross [18:50] scientes that was my point [18:52] activelow here is what i could remove already, while retaining a functional system: ruby, python2, vala, java, lua, tcl, rust, php, mono, scala, haskell, and many others from dev-lang [18:53] scientes what is your definition of functional? [18:53] activelow good question. modern web-browser available, as a simplified cornerstone, libreoffice, all gentoo tooling in place [18:54] scientes then you need rust [18:54] scientes to build firefox [18:54] activelow i blacklisted all mozilla and chromium [18:54] scientes web browsers are basically operating systems now [18:54] activelow currently hacking an old qt4 qtweb.net browser to merge this back into ~testing gentoo tree [18:55] *scientes has quit (Quit: Leaving) [18:55] activelow gone [18:56] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@aqi274nn7pm36.irc) has joined #techrights [18:56] activelow amazing, build.log of qtwebkit reached the size of 300MiB meanwhile, flooded with g++ warnings [18:56] *blitzed (~blitzed@aaiag8j9jq3ns.irc) has joined #techrights [18:57] DaemonFC schestowitz, I'm hanging Mozilla with their own words in the latest post coming up. [18:57] DaemonFC "So Firefox doesn't collect your data according to Mozilla, but according to Mozilla, it collects your data. Then, according to Mozilla, it doesn't store it. Except, according to Mozilla it does. And then according to Mozilla, they don't share it, except that according to Mozilla they do." [18:57] DaemonFC "My God, they can't even keep their lying straight anymore. Did Donald Trump retire and take a job there?" ● Oct 19 [19:07] activelow spying on users is violating their constitutional rights, secrecy of post and telecommuncations; *lawful* interception permitted, and only individually and in case of criminal action [19:09] activelow even terms of services insisting on a permissing to spy cannot and do not terminate constitutional rights, terms of services which insist on spying are void [19:09] activelow *permission [19:21] DaemonFC schestowitz, https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/19/whats-past-is-prologue-as-firefox-becomes-as-morally-reprehensible-as-apple-facebook-or-uber-i-was-interested-to-learn-that-this-is-where-its-creators-ended-up/ [19:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Whats past is prologue: As Firefox becomes as morally reprehensible as Apple, Facebook, or Uber, I was interested to learn that this is where its creators ended up. BaronHK's Rants [19:27] DaemonFC I might work on this some more. [19:28] DaemonFC I captioned one of the images just now. [19:28] DaemonFC Should read: "At Firefox, we troll people who expect privacy with our misinformation." [19:30] techrights-news #KDE Plasma 5.23.1, Bugfix Release for October http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156971 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Plasma 5.23.1, Bugfix Release for October | Tux Machines [19:33] techrights-news "Trine 3 works on Linux as a native game, but youll have to install the Steam application first if you want to play it." https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/trine-3-linux/ [19:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.addictivetips.com | How to play Trine 3 on Linux [19:34] DaemonFC schestowitz, I have to pick Mandy up in a few. [19:34] DaemonFC I'll comment on Trine later. [19:34] schestowitz-TR ok, I will see that [19:35] DaemonFC The port of the original Trine just used Winelib, and Trine 2 was "ported", but included hundreds of libraries from someone's /usr/lib and /usr/lib64, which ended up breaking the game. [19:35] techrights-news "Julius is another shining example of an open source game engine re-implementation done well and a major update is out." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/julius-17-is-out-an-open-source-re-implementation-of-the-classic-caesar-iii #freesw [19:35] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/10/julius-17-is-out-an-open-source-re-implementation-of-the-classic-caesar-iii [19:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Julius 1.7 is out, an open source re-implementation of the classic Caesar III | GamingOnLinux [19:36] DaemonFC I wish more developers would just use Winelib to port if they're going to create ports that just break down the next time you upgrade your distribution. [19:36] schestowitz-TR BTW [19:36] schestowitz-TR Re Moz [19:36] schestowitz-TR if you criticise them online it's easy to be censored [19:36] schestowitz-TR IME [19:37] schestowitz-TR I guess that might happen more when those whom you criticise associate with certain politics [19:37] schestowitz-TR hence, all our critics are [schtum] [19:37] DaemonFC Yes, they pay a company to watch what people say about them on social media. [19:37] DaemonFC The reason I know is because I get hits from that company every time I post about Mozilla. [19:38] DaemonFC It's called a "threat monitoring service". [19:38] DaemonFC It speaks of "removing harmful content about your brand, such as negative reviews". [19:39] DaemonFC Sometimes they use the DMCA, according to their site. [19:40] DaemonFC So I am very careful not to use anything I don't have to that's a Mozilla copyright, unless I'm making a critical statement regarding it. [19:41] techrights-news #SoftMaker FreeOffice 2021 is Now Available to Download http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156972 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SoftMaker FreeOffice 2021 is Now Available to Download | Tux Machines [19:41] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156973 #Linux #TuxMachines [19:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:41] DaemonFC I don't like Mozilla anymore and I don't want their software on my computer. [19:41] DaemonFC bbiab [19:41] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [19:42] techrights-news New Linux laptop offers RTX 3080 and 144 Hz 17-inch screen http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156925#comment-31447 [19:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Junos Linux laptops now available with Intel Tiger Lake-H or AMD Ryzen 5000H | Tux Machines [19:44] techrights-news New Linux laptop offers RTX 3080 and 144 Hz 17-inch screen http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156925#comment-31447 [19:44] techrights-news #RaspberryPi LEGO HAT taps RP2040 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156974 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Raspberry Pi LEGO HAT taps RP2040 | Tux Machines [19:47] techrights-news Karanbir Singh stepping down from the #CentOS Board http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156975 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #IBM [19:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Karanbir Singh stepping down from the CentOS Board | Tux Machines [19:50] techrights-news #billbc now on "Delta+". Excuses for low efficacy? Way to tell people jabs are outdated already? Either way, bad strategy in the media: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/08/19/covid19-communication-strategy/ [19:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Vaccination is Good, But the Current Vaccination Strategy (of Overwhelming Fear/Hysteria) Will Fail to Convince Sceptical People [19:50] techrights-news #Games: Trine 3 on Linux, Stellaris: Aquatics Species Pack, Cassette Beasts, Julius 1.7 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156976 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Trine 3 on Linux, Stellaris: Aquatics Species Pack, Cassette Beasts, Julius 1.7 | Tux Machines ● Oct 19 [20:09] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [20:09] *psymin (~psymin@user/psymin) has joined #techrights [20:17] techrights-news #Firefox Becomes as Morally Reprehensible as Apple, Facebook, or Uber http://techrights.org/2021/10/19/firefox-morals/ #Techrights #www #mozilla #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/19/firefox-morals/ [20:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Firefox Becomes as Morally Reprehensible as Apple, Facebook, or Uber | Techrights [20:26] techrights-news How #food became the perfect beachhead for #gentrification https://theconversation.com/how-food-became-the-perfect-beachhead-for-gentrification-167761 [20:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theconversation.com | How food became the perfect beachhead for gentrification [20:27] schestowitz https://stallman.org/archives/2021-jul-oct.html#19_October_2021_%28Interesting_food_options%29 [20:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2021: July - October Political Notes - Richard Stallman [20:27] schestowitz "Those who aim to profit by gentrifying a neighborhood find it useful to bring in interesting food options, as a first step. That makes wealthier people interested in moving there. ' [20:27] schestowitz (via) [20:30] techrights-news Relatively shallow article: Windows, macOS or GNU/Linux, which one to choose https://net2.com/windows-macos-or-linux-which-one-to-choose/ [20:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-net2.com | Windows, macOS or Linux, which one to choose [20:34] techrights-news Normalising mass #surveillance in the name of "care" or "safety" or "health" or "fitness" https://www.nextgov.com/emerging-tech/2021/10/dhs-wants-wearables-track-employee-health-work-and-home/186106/ [20:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DHS Wants Wearables to Track Employee Health at Work and at Home - Nextgov [20:34] schestowitz https://stallman.org/archives/2021-jul-oct.html#19_October_2021_%28Monitoring_stress%29 [20:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2021: July - October Political Notes - Richard Stallman [20:34] schestowitz " [20:34] schestowitz The US government wants to develop telemetry to monitor stress and stress effects, in agents that have high-stress jobs. [20:34] schestowitz I don't see anything wrong about this proposed use of the technology, but I have a hunch that if this system works, the government will also try to use it as a 24/7 lie detector (whether it is reliable or not). Private businesses will impose it on their staff too. [20:34] *m___ (~Adium@pha8b8frr93ys.irc) has joined #techrights [20:34] schestowitz " [20:35] techrights-news "Long COVID" research (you never fully recover) https://www.dice.hhu.de/fileadmin/redaktion/Fakultaeten/Wirtschaftswissenschaftliche_Fakultaet/DICE/Discussion_Paper/368_Fischer_Reade_Schmal.pdf [20:36] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156977 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [20:39] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@aqi274nn7pm36.irc) has joined #techrights [20:39] techrights-news #Malaysia -based #gnu #linux distro Venom 3.0-rc1 is out, but needs to #deletegithub https://venomlinux.org/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github [20:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Welcome Venom Linux | venomlinux.org [20:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights [20:39] schestowitz-TR wb, DaemonFC [20:39] schestowitz-TR before I forget, 3 things: [20:39] schestowitz-TR 1) I changes "java" to "javascript" [20:40] schestowitz-TR *changed (those are not connected) [20:40] DaemonFC https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/19/whats-past-is-prologue-as-firefox-becomes-as-morally-reprehensible-as-apple-facebook-or-uber-i-was-interested-to-learn-that-this-is-where-its-creators-ended-up/ [20:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Whats past is prologue: As Firefox becomes as morally reprehensible as Apple, Facebook, or Uber, I was interested to learn that this is where its creators ended up. BaronHK's Rants [20:40] schestowitz-TR I added a link to the VPN part [20:40] DaemonFC I've been patching some things up too. [20:40] schestowitz-TR I also added a screenshot of buysellads [20:40] DaemonFC Yeah, I commented on that in the caption and added it. [20:40] DaemonFC Changed an instance of "open source" to "Open Source". [20:41] DaemonFC Changed "In fact, AOL, which is what Mozilla was spun off as," to "In fact, AOL, which is what Mozilla was spun off from,". [20:41] schestowitz-TR will add your text [20:41] DaemonFC It should read a little better now. [20:41] DaemonFC The BuySellAds thing is like a slave auction. [20:41] DaemonFC They sell people. [20:43] schestowitz ok, amended/patches/whatever [20:43] schestowitz no lowercase occurrences of "open source" anymore [20:44] techrights-news [20:44] schestowitz #Mozilla is running out or products to sell. By products I mean #firefox users. http://techrights.org/2021/10/19/firefox-morals/ [20:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Firefox Becomes as Morally Reprehensible as Apple, Facebook, or Uber | Techrights [20:46] techrights-news #Regata #GNU #Linux 21.0.15 is also out. #KDE based from #brazil https://www.regataos.com.br/ [20:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.regataos.com.br | Regata OS [20:47] techrights-news The #archlinux based #RebornOS 2021.10.18 is out. #gnu #linux https://rebornos.org/ [20:47] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: rebornos.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://rebornos.org/ [20:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rebornos.org | Homepage rebornos - RebornOS [20:49] techrights-news #techrepublic and #LPI (connected to #linuxfoundation and #microsoft ) are PUSHING you (in the drug dealer sense) to USE #proprietarySoftware of monopoly. No respect. https://www.fosslife.org/get-started-github-desktop [20:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslife.org | Get Started with GitHub Desktop [20:50] techrights-news #github is AN ATTACK on #git and on #freesw whereas #wsl2 is an ATTACK on #gnu #linux but if you STILL do not understand how or why then you NEED to learn #microsoft history/track/record/modus operandi [20:52] techrights-news Any deleted #github account and project is a big step towards #softwareFreedom so #deletegithub ... you probably never needed it anyway [20:53] zoobab_ pong [20:53] schestowitz-TR hi [20:54] techrights-news Best Open Source Security Tools | eSecurityPlanet https://www.esecurityplanet.com/products/open-source-security-tools/ #esecurityplanet #security #freesw [20:55] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: esecurityplanet.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.esecurityplanet.com/products/open-source-security-tools/ [20:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Best Open Source Security Tools | eSecurityPlanet [20:55] techrights-news "We're happy to announce the release of v1.12 of #pgmetrics ." https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pgmetrics-112-released-2330/ #postgresql #psql [20:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.postgresql.org | PostgreSQL: pgmetrics 1.12 released [20:57] techrights-news #fakesecurity part 342244 https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/credit-card-pins-can-be-guessed-even-when-covering-the-atm-pad/ [20:57] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/credit-card-pins-can-be-guessed-even-when-covering-the-atm-pad/ [20:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Credit card PINs can be guessed even when covering the ATM pad [20:58] techrights-news This #RaspberryPi add-on lets you control Lego robots http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156978 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This Raspberry Pi add-on lets you control Lego robots | Tux Machines [20:59] techrights-news "Firefox has been going down the toilet for years." http://techrights.org/2021/10/19/firefox-morals/ #mozilla #firefox #surveillance #privacy #aol ● Oct 19 [21:00] zoobab_ Slovenia ratified UPC, now they look at Austrian parliament [21:01] schestowitz-TR lol [21:01] zoobab_ UPC lobbyists had a plan for the PPA right after the complaint in Germany in July [21:01] schestowitz-TR ratification that means nothing [21:01] Ariadne to be clear [21:01] techrights-news "A Quick overview of #Ubuntu 21.10." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=lLaiDuZ2odE #gnu #linux [21:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Ubuntu 21.10 Quick overview #Shorts - Invidious [21:01] zoobab_ they even want to ignore the UK required in the PPA according to some sources [21:01] schestowitz-TR what stops them breaking the law? [21:01] Ariadne my point about M1 being a more reasonable starting point for secure compute with off the shelf hardware is intended to be an indictment of the industry [21:01] schestowitz-TR not thierry breton [21:01] Ariadne not praise for apple [21:02] Ariadne fuck apple [21:02] schestowitz-TR I know [21:02] schestowitz-TR it reallyu sucks [21:02] zoobab_ using the same mechanism as for the UPCA, replace UK by Italy [21:02] schestowitz-TR when did that happen? [21:02] schestowitz-TR they did start another round of fake news? [21:02] zoobab_ we heard talking to someone [21:02] zoobab_ who is very well informed [21:03] zoobab_ once they have the 13 states [21:03] schestowitz-TR meanwhile they discredit the whlole system [21:03] schestowitz-TR the EPO included [21:03] schestowitz-TR I will publish 2 articles shortly [21:03] schestowitz-TR this system will collapse [21:03] schestowitz-TR if they carry on like this [21:03] zoobab_ Jaeger published an article in GRUR [21:04] zoobab_ you should read it, he says it can explode further, because CJEU never had a say on it [21:04] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #techrights [21:04] schestowitz-TR it's in german [21:05] schestowitz-TR you can read some [21:05] schestowitz-TR I cannot [21:05] schestowitz-TR yes, CJEU should be next [21:05] schestowitz-TR and we need to rally to take it there [21:05] schestowitz-TR I don't have the connections [21:05] schestowitz-TR you do [21:06] techrights-news #UbuntuUnity and Cinnamon Remix versions 21.10 available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156775#comment-31449 #gnu #linux [21:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 21.10 Impish Indri Is Now Available for Download, This Is Whats New | Tux Machines [21:07] techrights-news More #python3 modules in devx SFS https://bkhome.org/news/202110/more-python3-modules-in-devx-sfs.html [21:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bkhome.org | More python3 modules in devx SFS [21:08] Ariadne i still find it funny that pkgconf is now part of the OIN thing [21:08] Ariadne useless but funny [21:09] techrights-news #Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Codename Has Been Revealed and its Dangerously Ho http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156818#comment-31451 [21:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Codename is a Jolly Good Choice | Tux Machines [21:09] zoobab_ OIN is useless [21:11] techrights-news #Google Developing #SiliFuzz For Fuzzing CPUs To Uncover Electrical Defects - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Google-SiliFuzz-CPU-Defects #Phoronix [21:11] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Google-SiliFuzz-CPU-Defects [21:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google Developing "SiliFuzz" For Fuzzing CPUs To Uncover Electrical Defects - Phoronix [21:11] activelow OIN singapore? [21:12] activelow no, open invention network, not open innovations network. [21:13] schestowitz-TR OpenIBM [21:13] schestowitz-TR OpenMicrosoft [21:13] schestowitz-TR OpenSoftwarePatents [21:13] schestowitz-TR OpenFRAND [21:13] schestowitz-TR OpenEIF [21:13] schestowitz-TR OpenSettlement [21:13] schestowitz-TR like GNOME with a TROLL [21:13] schestowitz-TR they bloody settled [21:14] schestowitz-TR over a software patent!! [21:14] schestowitz-TR IIRC, the developer was European [21:14] schestowitz-TR unlike OIN [21:14] schestowitz-TR That troll got patents from Microsoft's troll [21:15] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Intellectual_Ventures [21:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intellectual Ventures - Techrights [21:15] schestowitz NOBODY in the media bothered mentioning it [21:15] schestowitz when shown that very clearly [21:15] schestowitz the media instead pushed the Microsoft- and IBM-sponsored narrative [21:15] schestowitz like ZDNet/SJVN [21:15] schestowitz literally funded by Microsoft and IBM [21:15] schestowitz that promised to "help" in this case [21:16] schestowitz the very companies that cause such trouble [21:16] schestowitz by lobbying for swpats [21:16] schestowitz and then ARMING those trolls, e.g. http://techrights.org/2017/08/31/finjan-blue-and-ibm/ [21:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM Helps a Microsoft-Connected Patent Troll Create Another Trolling Branch, Known as Finjan Blue | Techrights [21:16] schestowitz rant over, back to links now... [21:17] activelow somehow, GPL has a similar effect to a software patent; if a patent was granted or GPL was applied, then both prevent again a patent be claimed [21:17] activelow with one important difference, GPL doesn't claim monopoly [21:17] MinceR OpenVMS [21:18] schestowitz-TR Open WHitePOWER [21:18] schestowitz-TR by Jim Whitehurst, IBM [21:18] schestowitz-TR "from the same company that brought you dehomag" -orator voice [21:18] activelow in practice, GPL doesn't prevent software business, it prevents litigation [21:19] activelow except, if both, GPL and a patent are applied in parallel [21:20] activelow which a company can do secretly, exposing something as GPL, and another strawman attacking with a patent claim later [21:20] techrights-news Shuffling chairs on the deck of #mozilla boat https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/welcome-imo-udom-mozillas-new-senior-vice-president-innovation-ecosystems/ also see http://techrights.org/2020/06/22/mozilla-board/ [21:20] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/welcome-imo-udom-mozillas-new-senior-vice-president-innovation-ecosystems/ [21:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Welcome Imo Udom, Mozillas new Senior Vice President, Innovation Ecosystems [21:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozilla Hires From Microsoft for Mozillas Board | Techrights [21:21] activelow schestowitz-TR: what happens if GPL software is circulation, AND later a valid patent infringement was brought to court? [21:21] activelow *circulating [21:22] techrights-news "Thanks for Jefferson Scher for straightening the Firefox Suggest confusion on Reddit. That definitely help people to understand the feature better." Confusion or marketing mistake? https://blog.mozilla.org/sumo/2021/10/19/whats-up-with-sumo-october-2021/ [21:22] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.mozilla.org/sumo/2021/10/19/whats-up-with-sumo-october-2021/ [21:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Whats up with SUMO October 2021 The Mozilla Support Blog [21:23] techrights-news "Firefox now sends more data than you might think to Mozilla. To power Firefox Suggest, Firefox sends the keystrokes you type into your address bar, your location information, and more to Mozillas servers. Heres exactly what Firefox is sharing and how to control it." https://www.howtogeek.com/760425/firefox-now-sends-your-address-bar-keystrokes-to-mozilla/ [21:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.howtogeek.com | [Update: Mozilla Fixes Its Documentation] Firefox Now Sends Your Address Bar Keystrokes to Mozilla [21:23] activelow for example, assuming if, a big company, such as "international big machines" operated with two subsidiaries, one publishing GPL software, and another one not publishing anything but holding patent claims [21:24] activelow then other companies establish business based on GPL software, once succeeded and investments made, an attack is prepared with patent claims [21:24] activelow would GPL protect against this? probably not. [21:24] techrights-news #mozilla #firefox first added keyloggers in 2014. #microsoft keyloggers: http://techrights.org/2014/11/28/microsoft-firefox/ [21:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozilla Will Relay Firefox User Input (Even Keystrokes) to Microsoft and the NSA Through Yahoo in the US | Techrights [21:25] schestowitz international bloated machines [21:25] MinceR :> [21:26] MinceR international genocide machines [21:26] activelow amazing ... Installing (1 of 3) dev-qt/qtwebkit-4.8.7::hotfix ... DONE. [21:26] techrights-news Research: Remote Work Now Accounts for Nearly 15% of all High Paying Jobs https://www.theladders.com/press/research-remote-work-now-accounts-for-nearly-15-of-all-high-paying-jobs [21:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theladders.com | [21:28] techrights-news "In the social media industry, data is the product. Facebooks APIs allow me to pull some aggregate data but other methods let me scrape the profiles of people who interact with my posts." https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/09/profiling-for-usa-2024-is-already-happening/ [21:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | Profiling for USA 2024 is already happening | Stop at Zona-M [21:29] techrights-news "Some context: Im currently working as a software engineer at Mozilla, building out our data pipeline and analysis tooling." #mozilla #firefox #surveillance #spam https://wrla.ch/blog/2021/10/learning-about-psychological-safety-at-the-recurse-center/ [21:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wrla.ch | Learning about Psychological Safety at the Recurse Center [21:29] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: ^^^^ ding ding ding [21:30] schestowitz-TR data pipeline and analysis tooling [21:30] schestowitz-TR sounds like... Facebook [21:30] schestowitz-TR they even hired from Facebook [21:30] techrights-news 2019: #Facebook and Other Surveillance Capitalists Wont Save #Mozilla From #Google Dependence http://techrights.org/2019/11/03/the-privacy-scam/ #Techrights #firefox #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2019/11/03/the-privacy-scam/ [21:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Facebook and Other Surveillance Capitalists Wont Save Mozilla From Google Dependence | Techrights [21:34] techrights-news #Slovenia is irrelevant to the UPCA because #UPC can never happen without the UK. Team #UPCspin mode persists regardless. #unitarypatent #unifiedpatentcourt [21:36] activelow with BSD/MIT/ISC type licenses it could be easier to defend against patent claims, in practice, i had not followed any cases though [21:37] techrights-news #EPO now pays German media to produce #propaganda and lies about patents, as if monopolies will save the planet https://www.dw.com/en/patents-to-tackle-plastic-waste-on-the-rise/a-59545087 see [21:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patents to tackle plastic waste on the rise | Business | Economy and finance news from a German perspective | DW | 19.10.2021 [21:37] techrights-news #Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156979 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [21:37] techrights-news More #Mozilla Spying and Management Shuffle http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156980 #firefox #TuxMachines [21:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | More Mozilla Spying and Management Shuffle | Tux Machines [21:37] *activelow remains sceptical about GPL and patents [21:38] DaemonFC "Theres also many channels for informal discussion at Mozilla, and of course direct messaging is always available (via Slack or Matrix). " [21:38] activelow if patents can invalidate GPL [21:38] DaemonFC Slack. The one that doesn't even pretend to be open source. [21:38] schestowitz-TR :-D [21:38] schestowitz-TR is that from SUMO? [21:39] techrights-news Vaccines and mandates are not the same. Also, now all vaccines are the same. https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/entertainment/2021/october/christian-celebrity-says-shes-pro-medical-freedom-amid-covid-vax-mandates [21:39] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: cbn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/entertainment/2021/october/christian-celebrity-says-shes-pro-medical-freedom-amid-covid-vax-mandates [21:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www1.cbn.com | Christian Celebrity Says She's 'Pro-Medical Freedom' Amid COVID Vax Mandates | CBN News [21:39] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Facebook can say it has whatever CoC it wants. [21:40] DaemonFC If it's unevenly applied by stupid robot programs that have only the crudest of understanding of English, much less anything else, fat bunch of good that will do. [21:40] schestowitz-TR zoobab_: I saw Bristows [21:40] schestowitz-TR it's not ratification [21:40] DaemonFC That's why you can report death threats and Facebook does nothing. [21:40] schestowitz-TR more fake news [21:40] DaemonFC You can report homophobes, they do nothing. [21:40] schestowitz-TR like them claiming .de had ratified [21:40] DaemonFC You can report child porn, Facebook does nothing. [21:40] schestowitz-TR pay closer attention to the weasel wordst [21:40] schestowitz-TR they're liars [21:40] schestowitz-TR and EPO staff watchhes these lies [21:40] DaemonFC You insult the Taliban, they say you're being mean and give you a 2 hour Taliban. [21:40] schestowitz-TR all those "boys crying wolf" [21:41] schestowitz-TR they will diminish the whole European patent regime [21:41] schestowitz-TR we just need to call them out on the lies [21:41] schestowitz-TR tirelessly, zoobab_ [21:41] DaemonFC If you care at all about your psychological wellbeing, get away from Facebook. [21:41] schestowitz-TR let them squirm a little [21:41] schestowitz-TR it's not us who expect to be paid $200 an hour for it [21:41] DaemonFC Don't look at it. People there are horrible. It's all on display because they say whatever they want and they don't have to look the people in the eye. It's a platform for cowards. [21:42] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: coming soon: [21:42] schestowitz-TR mozilla blog posts urging biden to implement universal vaccine mandates for moderna et al [21:42] schestowitz-TR because social something... [21:42] schestowitz-TR and then see them split apart firefox users some more [21:43] schestowitz-TR billBC is headless chicken today [21:43] schestowitz-TR because cases soar and they need to do "splaining" [21:45] techrights-news "The UPC lobby is considering that the UK requirement for the PPA to enter into force will vapourize?" http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/10/19/slovenia-ratifies-ppa-and-unifed-patent-court-agreement/#comments [21:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Slovenia ratifies PPA and Unifed Patent Court Agreement - Kluwer Patent Blog [21:45] schestowitz zoobab_: http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/10/19/slovenia-ratifies-ppa-and-unifed-patent-court-agreement/ i [21:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Slovenia ratifies PPA and Unifed Patent Court Agreement - Kluwer Patent Blog [21:45] schestowitz in second comments citation needed [21:46] schestowitz none required :-) [21:46] schestowitz none provided, either [21:46] DaemonFC Firefox. The best browser to download Vivaldi with. [21:47] techrights-news #TeamUPC Has Spread a Dozen or So Fake News Headlines With Patently False Claims, Which Its Unable and Unwilling to Justify http://techrights.org/2021/08/31/unified-patent-court-faking-it/ #Techrights #Europe #Patents #Patent | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/31/unified-patent-court-faking-it/ [21:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Team UPC Has Spread a Dozen or So Fake News Headlines With Patently False Claims, Which Its Unable and Unwilling to Justify | Techrights [21:47] schestowitz zoobab_: ^^ [21:47] techrights-news Still applicable to #unitaryPatent http://techrights.org/2021/08/19/captured-media-telling-lies/ #unifiedpatentcourt #upc #teamupc [21:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Naming and Shaming Captured Publications That Knowingly and Intentionally Published Fake News About the EUs Unified Patent Court So Far This Week | Techrights [21:54] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [21:58] *koo6 (~koo6@89-24-13-235.customers.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [21:59] DaemonFC schestowitz, I wish Vivaldi would open source more of their code. [21:59] DaemonFC But really the only closed bits are some Javascript/HTML/CSS for the UI. [21:59] DaemonFC And Widevine if you enable it. [21:59] DaemonFC Firefox is MUCH worse than this. ● Oct 19 [22:00] schestowitz-TR use falkon [22:00] schestowitz-TR do a review of it [22:01] schestowitz-TR they need more publicity [22:01] schestowitz-TR Vivaldi will sell out eventually, and they already do by keeping code secret and private [22:01] schestowitz-TR you can be sure they spy also [22:01] schestowitz-TR but they're more opaque about it [22:03] techrights-news An economy made to increase waste for the same of profit https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/09/enough-of-batteries-already/ [22:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | Enough of batteries, already! | Stop at Zona-M [22:04] techrights-news "The problem: While consumers and businesses are increasingly converting to electric ground vehicles, air travel remains a carbon-intensive industry." https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/09/urban-air-travel-this-is-not/ [22:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | Urban air travel, this is not | Stop at Zona-M [22:06] techrights-news I don't have fancy budget + connections like the #epo and #teamUPC but the facts are on my side and the facts can make both squirm (when challenged repeatedly). #unitarypatent #unifiedPatentCourt [22:08] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.eu/zoobab/status/1448294014265012224#m [22:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.eu | zoobab "NO Software Patents" (@zoobab): "Can you tell why those associations did not endorse this letter? "This paper is not supported by the Spanish Confederation of Employers and Industries (CEOE), Confederao Empresarial de Portugal (CIP), the Confederation of Industry Czech Republic (SPCR) and MGYOSZ HUNGARY"" | nitter [22:08] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.eu/zoobab/status/1448301468923146246#m [22:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.eu | zoobab "NO Software Patents" (@zoobab): "20.000EUR of court fees is inacessible for SMEs, Europe is committing an economic suicide, those fees are 200X higher, but that does not seem to concern most BusinessEurope members nor @SMEunited https://www.spcr.cz/en/23-aktualne/statesment/8743-confederation-on-the-unified-patent-court-fees" | nitter [22:08] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.eu/zoobab/status/1448301650309943304#m [22:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.eu | zoobab "NO Software Patents" (@zoobab): "@CeaPme" | nitter [22:08] schestowitz-TR zoobab_: good [22:08] schestowitz-TR respond to them [22:08] schestowitz-TR it hurts them [22:08] schestowitz-TR zoobab_: they will never admit it hurts them [22:08] schestowitz-TR https://nitter.eu/mind_booster/status/1448582802350424070#m [22:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.eu | Marcos Marado (@mind_booster): "@cip_empresarial's study in 2015 was against the ratification:" | nitter [22:09] techrights-news #unitarypatent #unifiedPatentCourt #upc #teamUPC https://nitter.eu/mind_booster/status/1448582802350424070#m [22:09] *vottyln is now known as buzzert [22:10] activelow qtcore4 is back, qtwebkit4 is back ... and finally: Installing (1 of 1) www-client/qtweb-3.8.5_p108::hotfix DONE. [22:10] *activelow switches to X11 session... [22:11] techrights-news #RadeonSI Enables NGG Shader Culling For Navi 1x Consumer GPUs - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=RadeonSI-NGG-Culling-Navi-1x #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux [22:11] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=RadeonSI-NGG-Culling-Navi-1x [22:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-RadeonSI Enables NGG Shader Culling For Navi 1x Consumer GPUs - Phoronix [22:11] MinceR i thought Qt depended in C++ :> [22:12] techrights-news #techrights articles about Denmark, Iceland, Finland, Norway and Sweden ETA: 1.5 hours. #epo #corruption #scandinavia #iloat [22:12] techrights-news #proprietarySoftware https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ics/advisories/icsa-21-292-02 [22:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-us-cert.cisa.gov | Trane HVAC Systems Controls | CISA [22:13] techrights-news "Exploitable remotely" Haha. Good luck! https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ics/advisories/icsa-21-292-01 [22:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-us-cert.cisa.gov | AUVESY Versiondog | CISA [22:14] techrights-news #intel and #x86 becoming irrelevant over time https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20211019005293/en/Foundries.io-Announces-Support-for-Arm-SystemReady-Initiative-with-Future-proof-Linux-Platform-for-Securing-IoT-and-Edge-Products [22:14] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: businesswire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20211019005293/en/Foundries.io-Announces-Support-for-Arm-SystemReady-Initiative-with-Future-proof-Linux-Platform-for-Securing-IoT-and-Edge-Products [22:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businesswire.com | Foundries.io Announces Support for Arm SystemReady Initiative with Future-proof Linux Platform for Securing IoT and Edge Products | Business Wire [22:16] techrights-news #aws stinks (all #clowncomputing is basically a giant #proprietarySoftware trap with #Surveillance everywhere), but notice the shift away from #x86 https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/10/19/cortex-m55-based-arm-virtual-hardware-is-now-available-in-aws-cloud/ [22:16] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/10/19/cortex-m55-based-arm-virtual-hardware-is-now-available-in-aws-cloud/ [22:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Cortex-M55 based Arm Virtual Hardware is now available in AWS Cloud - CNX Software [22:16] activelow crash :( [22:16] schestowitz-TR good [22:16] activelow obviously the 400MiB build.log full of warnings was too much [22:17] activelow schestowitz-TR: why is this good? [22:17] techrights-news Raphal Hertzog: "This September, #Freexian set aside 2550 EUR to fund Debian projects." https://raphaelhertzog.com/2021/10/19/freexians-report-about-debian-long-term-support-september-2021/ #debian #gnu #linux [22:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-raphaelhertzog.com | Freexians report about Debian Long Term Support, September 2021 [22:17] schestowitz-TR activelow: I was joking [22:17] DaemonFC https://www.gog.com/game/trine_3_the_artifacts_of_power [22:17] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: gog.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gog.com/game/trine_3_the_artifacts_of_power [22:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Trine 3: The Artifacts of Power on GOG.com [22:18] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, According to Gog, you don't need Windows to run their version of Trine 3. [22:18] DaemonFC They have a Linux installer. [22:18] techrights-news Gunnar Wolf raspi.debian.net now hosted on #Debian infrastructure https://gwolf.org/2021/10/raspi-debian-org-now-hosted-on-debian-infrastructure.html #Gunnarwolf #gnu #linux [22:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gwolf.org | Gunnar Wolf raspi.debian.net now hosted on Debian infrastructure [22:21] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: .sh file? [22:21] DaemonFC Most likely. [22:22] schestowitz-TR DRM? [22:22] schestowitz https://winbuzzer.com/2021/10/19/users-can-now-play-windows-95s-space-cadet-on-linux-and-windows-11-xcxwbn/ [22:22] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: winbuzzer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://winbuzzer.com/2021/10/19/users-can-now-play-windows-95s-space-cadet-on-linux-and-windows-11-xcxwbn/ [22:22] schestowitz lol [22:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Users Can Now Play Windows 95s Space Cadet on Linux and Windows 11 - WinBuzzer [22:22] schestowitz how about, no...? [22:26] DaemonFC "so users looking to install the game will need to use a Windows 96 " [22:26] techrights-news The author of this does know about #FDroid and pretends to be ignorant about what #kernel runs #Android https://hackaday.com/2021/10/19/the-pinephone-pro-is-here-but-its-still-probably-not-the-year-of-open-source-linux-on-the-smartphone/ [22:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The PinePhone Pro Is Here. But Its Still Probably Not The Year Of Open-Source Linux On The Smartphone | Hackaday [22:26] DaemonFC there was no Windows 96. [22:26] DaemonFC Windows 98 was supposed to be Windows 97, but it got bumped. [22:26] DaemonFC That was why there was an Office 97, but Windows 98. [22:26] gustaf https://sfconservancy.org/copyleft-compliance/vizio.html?s=03 [22:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sfconservancy.org | Copyleft Compliance Projects - Software Freedom Conservancy [22:27] schestowitz-TR fat fingers? [22:27] DaemonFC Microsoft wanted to have something to sell every 2-3 years. [22:27] DaemonFC So they deliberately limited what they sold so that it would be unusable by then. [22:28] DaemonFC No USB of FAT32 in Windows 95 (Retail) because then they'd never sell Windows 98. [22:28] DaemonFC *or [22:28] techrights-news #intel just hates #linux https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/19/intel_sdsi/ Intel needs to go away. See leaks: http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks [22:28] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2021/10/19/intel_sdsi/ [22:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Intel teases upgradable 'software-defined silcon' The Register [22:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intel leaks - Techrights [22:30] DaemonFC Intel tried this in 2011. [22:31] DaemonFC Where you had to pay an extra $50 for a code that would turn a Pentium into a Core i3. [22:31] techrights-news LEGO Technic meets Raspberry Pi with the Build HAT http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156978#comment-31453 [22:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This Raspberry Pi add-on lets you control Lego robots | Tux Machines [22:32] DaemonFC https://winbuzzer.com/2021/10/18/microsoft-previews-windows-11-fix-for-file-explorer-bug-xcxwbn/ [22:32] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: winbuzzer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://winbuzzer.com/2021/10/18/microsoft-previews-windows-11-fix-for-file-explorer-bug-xcxwbn/ [22:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Previews Windows 11 Fix for File Explorer Bug - WinBuzzer [22:32] DaemonFC Lose Buzzer [22:33] DaemonFC "As for Preview build 22000.282 that rolled out last Friday, Microsoft has solved an issue where the Windows 10 taskbar randomly appeared in Windows 10. Furthermore, the company squashed one of a pair of bugs causing issues on devices running AMD processors." [22:33] DaemonFC I think he meant "Windows 10 taskbar showing in Windows 11.". [22:34] schestowitz-TR lol [22:34] DaemonFC Proof that all of the old shit it still in there, just somewhere you're not supposed to see it. [22:34] schestowitz-TR another coat of paint [22:34] schestowitz DaemonFC: http://techrights.org/2021/10/16/failure-of-vista-11-hype/ [22:34] XRevan86 Why remove stuff when we can just slap another layer of gunk on the code? [22:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | In Picture: After Billions Spent on Marketing, With Vista 11 Hype and Vapourware, No Real Gains for Windows | Techrights [22:35] XRevan86 Windows is like an onion, a very smelly one. [22:35] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: why oinion? [22:35] schestowitz-TR go for the classic smell maker [22:35] schestowitz-TR which you need not peel off to smell [22:35] XRevan86 schestowitz: Onions are layered, Windows is layered. [22:35] schestowitz-TR Tisturd11 [22:35] schestowitz-TR Visturd11 [22:36] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: they say it's layered [22:36] schestowitz-TR until FONTS can pwn the OS [22:36] schestowitz-TR and security updates break printing [22:36] schestowitz-TR so if it's layered, it's a layered spaghetti [22:37] XRevan86 I mean it's layered like they never remove old code, just hide it and put new stuff on top of it. [22:37] schestowitz-TR shit can also be layered [22:37] XRevan86 And because https://yewtu.be/-FtCTW2rVFM :) [22:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Shrek - Ogres are like Onions (Blu-Ray 1080p) English [scene] - Invidious [22:41] techrights-news Wow, lots of spacing https://fossforce.com/2021/10/five-of-tuesdays-all-things-open-presentations-we-wouldnt-miss/ [22:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Five of Tuesdays All Things Open Presentations We Wouldnt Miss - FOSS Force [22:42] techrights-news Vendors Including #NVIDIA Talk Up New OpenCL Extensions For Vulkan Interop, NN Inference - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OpenCL-3.0.9-Extensions #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux [22:42] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OpenCL-3.0.9-Extensions [22:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Vendors Including NVIDIA Talk Up New OpenCL Extensions For Vulkan Interop, NN Inference - Phoronix [22:45] techrights-news As it turns out, #Linux isn't the #security risk but #proprietarySoftware people install on it https://itwire.com/security/trend-micro-duo-find-linux-malware-targeting-huawei-cloud.html #oracle [22:45] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/security/trend-micro-duo-find-linux-malware-targeting-huawei-cloud.html [22:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Trend Micro duo find Linux malware targeting Huawei Cloud [22:47] techrights-news #windows and #android not enough, #SLAMTEC ought to add proper #gnu #linux support https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/10/19/rk3399-based-programmable-wheeled-robot-works-across-multiple-floors/ [22:47] -altlink_8e2/#techrights- Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/10/19/rk3399-based-programmable-wheeled-robot-works-across-multiple-floors/ [22:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | RK3399-based programmable wheeled robot works across multiple floors - CNX Software [22:50] techrights-news #VirtualBox 6.1.28 Released with Initial Support for Linux 5.14 and 5.15 Kernels http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156981 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | VirtualBox 6.1.28 Released with Initial Support for Linux 5.14 and 5.15 Kernels | Tux Machines [22:51] techrights-news Announcing the election for the next #TDF Board of Directors http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156982 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Announcing the election for the next TDF Board of Directors | Tux Machines [22:51] techrights-news #Debian Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156983 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian Leftovers | Tux Machines [22:52] techrights-news GNU/Linux on Servers: WebLogic, Cubic, and ARM http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156984 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU/Linux on Servers: WebLogic, Cubic, and ARM | Tux Machines [22:54] techrights-news Software Freedom Conservancy files lawsuit against California TV manufacturer #Vizio Inc. for #GPLviolations https://sfconservancy.org/copyleft-compliance/vizio.html #sfc [22:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sfconservancy.org | Copyleft Compliance Projects - Software Freedom Conservancy [22:55] *psydroid3 has quit (connection closed) [22:56] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:56] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techrights [22:56] techrights-news "In this video, we are looking at CarbonUI v1.0 "Flare", the Plasma edition and it is amazing." #gnu #linux #kde https://yewtu.be/watch?v=DUHokIZK9Kw [22:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | CarbonUI v1.0 "Flare" Plasma Run Through - Invidious [22:57] techrights-news #Pinephone Pro: Mobile Linux To The Next Level - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=iseIxRgLhdM #video #invidious #gnu #linux [22:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Pinephone Pro: Mobile Linux To The Next Level - Invidious ● Oct 19 [23:01] techrights-news #oracle #ProprietarySoftware https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2021/10/19/oracle-releases-october-2021-critical-patch-update [23:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-us-cert.cisa.gov | Oracle Releases October 2021 Critical Patch Update | CISA [23:03] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/19/proof-that-windows-11-is-a-hoax-the-windows-10-taskbar-is-showing-up-for-some-users-due-to-a-bug/ [23:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Proof that Windows 11 is a hoax. The Windows 10 taskbar is showing up for some users due to a bug. BaronHK's Rants [23:03] DaemonFC How is this? [23:03] techrights-news #Vizio Sued for #GPLviolations http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/156985 #GNU #TuxMachines [23:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Vizio Sued for GPL Violations | Tux Machines [23:03] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: let's se... [23:03] DaemonFC If you can provide some funny things to link to... [23:05] schestowitz-TR lol [23:05] schestowitz-TR I didn't know he was harvesting blood [23:05] schestowitz-TR I assume not his own as spare [23:05] schestowitz-TR you deonate blood [23:06] schestowitz-TR Uncle Bill buys it [23:07] schestowitz-TR maybe he wanted not blood onboard [23:07] schestowitz-TR but "fresh blood [23:07] schestowitz-TR for that he needs to hop onto someone else's plane [23:09] *m___ has quit (Quit: Leaving.) [23:09] activelow pardon? [23:09] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Bill's Burgers are still on sale at Burger King. [23:09] DaemonFC They cost more than the regular Whopper now though. [23:10] DaemonFC They've added $1.49 if you want the "lab garbage" as a surcharge. [23:10] schestowitz-TR ah [23:10] schestowitz-TR patented [23:10] schestowitz-TR you pay to license patents [23:10] schestowitz-TR from cvreepy uncle bill [23:10] DaemonFC I went to Burger King with Mandy last night. [23:10] schestowitz-TR who buys the nation's farmland [23:10] schestowitz-TR for 'charity' of course.. [23:10] DaemonFC I was like "Whoa, $8.49 for an Uncle Bill Whopper.". [23:10] activelow soy beans with a margin of 999% [23:11] activelow and the price surplus is billed for watered beans, not dry ones [23:11] *m___ (~Adium@pha8b8frr93ys.irc) has joined #techrights [23:11] DaemonFC The regular whopper with the fries and small drink was $7. [23:11] DaemonFC So you pay $1.49 more plus tax to get a fake burger. [23:13] activelow german burgers were always mixed with bread and egg long before, and different spices added [23:13] activelow as long as i can remember, more than 30years [23:13] schestowitz "Web server" [23:13] schestowitz DaemonFC: uppercased the U [23:14] schestowitz in the word "spyware" put the s in the link anchor text [23:15] schestowitz DaemonFC: I said back then [23:15] schestowitz that Vista 11 was a diversion [23:15] schestowitz from Gates FOundation being up in flames [23:15] schestowitz at the same time [23:15] schestowitz and leaks about Microsoft's "big tech" lobbying [23:15] schestowitz so many people never noticed these things [23:16] techrights-news Proof That #vista11 is a Hoax http://techrights.org/2021/10/19/vista-11-hoax/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/19/vista-11-hoax/ [23:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Proof That Windows 11 is a Hoax | Techrights [23:17] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: can you read the next EPO draft? [23:20] *GNUmoon has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:20] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:20] activelow bashing ms won't improve upon quality elsewhere [23:21] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@e38kzwsbvddm6.irc) has joined #techrights [23:21] schestowitz-TR it's still important [23:21] MinceR what was the bashing? [23:21] schestowitz-TR also, bashing it is not [23:21] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [23:21] schestowitz-TR we cover what zdnet et al will not [23:21] schestowitz-TR because they are corrupt greedy liars [23:21] schestowitz-TR the whole lot! [23:21] MinceR maybe covering what zdnet won't is "bashing" [23:21] DaemonFC https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/10/19/burger-king-still-sells-the-impossible-whopper-aka-bills-burgers-but-wants-1-49-more-for-the-meal-with-lab-garbage/ [23:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Burger King still sells the Impossible Whopper, AKA Bills Burgers, but wants $1.49 more for the meal with lab garbage. BaronHK's Rants [23:21] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, ^ [23:22] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: ah [23:22] schestowitz-TR well, for Daily Links under nutrition or patrnts [23:22] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: can you read my draft? [23:22] schestowitz-TR I want to weed out all typos [23:22] DaemonFC Yeah. [23:23] schestowitz Thanks. PUBLISHED: http://techrights.org/2021/10/19/epo-nordic-bloc/ [23:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs Overseer/Overseen Collusion Part XVII: The Non-Monolithic Nordic Bloc | Techrights [23:27] psydruid kicking a puppy, now that is some kind of powerful bashing [23:28] psydruid or trashing a raspberry (s)pi [23:29] schestowitz-TR zemlin makes a killing [23:29] schestowitz-TR treating Linus like a puppy [23:29] schestowitz-TR kicking him over to "therapists" [23:29] schestowitz-TR and a force "apology", too [23:29] schestowitz-TR *forced [23:30] techrights-news The EPOs Overseer/Overseen Collusion Part XVII: The Non-Monolithic Nordic Bloc http://techrights.org/2021/10/19/epo-nordic-bloc/ #epo #Denmark #Iceland #Norway #Sweden [23:31] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Edited. [23:31] DaemonFC "While Bill tries to claim that these things are more environmentally friendly, they really aren't. They source the fats for the lab garbage from largely unsustainable practices involving cocoa and coconut oils, and canola oil, and the damned things have enough sodium to kill a horse. Maybe finishing you off a few years early is good for the planet. Maybe that's what Uncle Bill meant." [23:31] schestowitz-TR also [23:32] schestowitz-TR soy and stuff means deforestation [23:32] schestowitz-TR killing many forest animals [23:32] schestowitz-TR ecocide [23:32] schestowitz-TR the real soluton is smaller human populatioln [23:32] schestowitz-TR but... you know Uncle Bill loves kids [23:32] schestowitz-TR has three of his own [23:32] DaemonFC Edited again. [23:32] schestowitz-TR probably grossed out by that relationship dad had with "well, he's dead" [23:32] DaemonFC Mentionign that the proteins are much the same story. [23:35] *m___ has quit (Quit: Leaving.) [23:40] *techrights_guest|7 (~2e6bad79@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [23:40] *techrights_guest|7 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [23:47] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: tell me when the edits settle [23:47] schestowitz-TR I've also just published: [23:47] techrights-news How Denmark, Iceland, Finland, Norway and Sweden Voted on Patently Unlawful Regulations at the EPO http://techrights.org/2021/10/19/unlawful-regulations-nordic-votes/ #epo #Denmark #Iceland #Norway #Sweden [23:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How Denmark, Iceland, Finland, Norway and Sweden Voted on Patently Unlawful Regulations at the EPO | Techrights [23:55] DaemonFC Iceland and Finland but opposed by Sweden and Norway. [23:55] DaemonFC Finland, but [23:56] schestowitz-TR ah, that depends [23:56] DaemonFC I like Vivaldi's zoom better than Firefox's. [23:56] schestowitz-TR in this case the but isn't the classic type [23:56] DaemonFC My eyes are getting worse with age, but glasses can correct most of that. [23:56] schestowitz-TR like "tall but handsome" [23:56] schestowitz-TR Vivali is chrome clone [23:56] DaemonFC Well, it's optional I suppose. [23:57] DaemonFC English has some corner cases where you could do things either way. [23:57] DaemonFC Along with a bunch of words that mean the same thing. [23:57] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Some guy from Amazon came to our building. [23:58] schestowitz-TR they have like over a million staff [23:58] DaemonFC He said he was there to figure out if their drivers needed to do anything different to avoid high rates of package theft. [23:58] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:58] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:58] schestowitz-TR so you know you are in a dodgy area [23:59] DaemonFC I said, "Well, we do live in a neighborhood where that happens a bit, but I think they could make sure to press the door buzzer when they get here. I have it on my delivery instructions." [23:59] DaemonFC He asked who the landlord was and how to get ahold of him. [23:59] *inky_ (~inky@46.36.117.129) has joined #techrights [23:59] DaemonFC And remarked that there were no cameras. [23:59] schestowitz-TR so? [23:59] schestowitz-TR That's a plus