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● Oct 19
[00:00]	IsambardPrince	Yep. Like, "I got this."
[00:00]	IsambardPrince	Kiki is busy tearing into the cat tree.
[00:01]	IsambardPrince	It seems to be keeping her away from the tv.
[00:01]	MinceR	:3
[00:01]	IsambardPrince	She seems to be one of those cats that has a natural urge to climb.
[00:02]	IsambardPrince	Bobbi Jo doesn't. Leeloo, and Jabba didn't.
[00:02]	IsambardPrince	She's looking at me right now like "thank you thank you thank you"
[00:02]	MinceR	tree dweller :>
[00:03]	IsambardPrince	Yeah this thing was only $53 on Amazon.
[00:04]	IsambardPrince	It seemed like it was justified to keep her out of my TV stand while I'm watching movies.
[00:04]	IsambardPrince	Now sne's dangling off of it and sleeping.
[00:06]	IsambardPrince	MinceR, https://i.ibb.co/0RvFmjv1/Kiki.jpg
[00:06]	MinceR	:3
[00:07]	IsambardPrince	They like being high up because in nature it lets them see the entire area and scan it for predators or prey.
[00:07]	MinceR	indeed
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● Oct 19
[01:20]	IsambardPrince	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc6SxHVGrbE
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[01:20]	IsambardPrince	Windows NT 4 on a Gamecube for some reason.
[01:20]	MinceR	lol
[01:21]	IsambardPrince	Someone did Windows CE on a Nintendo 64 a while back.
[01:21]	IsambardPrince	Linux boots on a N64 but the N64 is way too resource constrained to be useful.
[01:22]	IsambardPrince	The Gamecube would probably not be very useful with Linux but it might have enough memory to start an X session with a basic window manager.
[01:23]	IsambardPrince	Linux on game consoles has always been pretty dodgy.
[01:23]	IsambardPrince	They're not meant to run a general purpose OS, they're meant to run games.
[01:24]	IsambardPrince	They were selling the PS2 Linux kit at Walmart at one point.
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[01:41]	IsambardPrince	MinceR, I'm watching a Youtube video about PS2 Linux.
[01:41]	IsambardPrince	It looks like Sony based it on a very stripped down Red Hat Linux 9.
[01:42]	IsambardPrince	For PS3 Linux in Other OS, they recommended Yellow Dog Linux, which was based on Fedora.
[01:47]	IsambardPrince	I'm guessing you might be able to do a lot of work and eventually get Netsurf or something to work on a PS2.
[01:50]	LordPhanes	i wonder why its always linux and not bsd for those consoles.  seems like bsd would have better perf and compat for odd targets
[01:51]	LordPhanes	prob just "more people looking at it"
● Oct 19
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● Oct 19
[03:21]	IsambardPrince	<LordPhanes> i wonder why its always linux and not bsd for those consoles.  seems like bsd would have better perf and compat for odd targets
[03:21]	IsambardPrince	<LordPhanes> prob just "more people looking at it"
[03:22]	IsambardPrince	While the Linux distribution for PS2 looks pretty minimal, that was not a bad little setup for 2001.
[03:22]	IsambardPrince	Had Sony revisioned it, it might have been a usable desktop computer for years.
[03:22]	IsambardPrince	I'm sure you could have done so yourself to an extent.
[03:23]	IsambardPrince	I remember someone here who claimed they kept backporting newer software to Fedora Core 1.
[03:23]	IsambardPrince	Red Hat Linux 9 wasn't THAT much older.
[03:23]	IsambardPrince	As long as you have a compiler and toolchain that are self-hosting, you should be able to upgrade components yourself.
[03:24]	LordPhanes	nah i didn't figure out cross-compilers well enough to do that until like...maybe 2015?  I'd used them before but well enough to bootstrap a sysroot was a whole separate journey than just building a cross-compiler and building for a unique target
[03:25]	LordPhanes	in 2001 i was skipping music class to go necking with my gal lol
[03:26]	LordPhanes	i knew a little pascal and c++ back then, some linux, more about classic gen macs (pre-9 mac os)
[03:26]	LordPhanes	tennessee isnt a great place to learn systems
[03:27]	LordPhanes	i learned more in linux in the late 90s in oklahoma than 2001-2003 in tennessee
[03:41]	IsambardPrince	There is apparently a newer Linux distribution for the PS2.
[03:41]	IsambardPrince	It's not something Sony supported.
[03:41]	IsambardPrince	https://sourceforge.net/projects/kernelloader/files/BlackRhino%20Linux%20Distribution/Live%20Linux%20DVD/PS2%20Live%20Linux%20DVD%20v3/
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[03:43]	IsambardPrince	https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=BlackRhino
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[03:55]	IsambardPrince	schestowitz[TR2], Someone on Reddit posted a picture of some poptarts.
[03:56]	IsambardPrince	They're not even bothering to frost the entire thing now.
[03:56]	IsambardPrince	It's frosted here and there but not consistently.
[03:56]	IsambardPrince	I said: M&Ms went the same way, especially the peanut M&Ms. They used to be huge, size was consistent, coloring was consistently applied. There was a full peanut in each one.
[03:56]	IsambardPrince	Now they use broken peanuts to save money, the dye is so thin that it doesn't even coat them consistently, and they're half as big.
[03:56]	LordPhanes	wait until the income/rent gap cliff hits
[03:57]	LordPhanes	the 90th percentile income can no longer afford the median priced house sized for the median sized family without becoming housepoor
[03:57]	LordPhanes	so these corporate investors are buying all the real estate and have been for about the last 10 years, 5 in particular in a frenzy
[03:58]	LordPhanes	and then jacking up the rent because the rents are gauged on the house value that's being appraised based on sale value (which the buying is driving up)
[03:58]	LordPhanes	folks are now paying like 30-50% more per month for rent than they were 5 years ago
[03:59]	IsambardPrince	I was talking to my mother earlier about the lengths Walmart used to go to in order to avoid quality decline or price hikes.
[03:59]	IsambardPrince	I said between 2003-2006 a banquet pot pie was 11.5 ounces.
[03:59]	LordPhanes	when that gap increases to price out the median income level from the median house rental, there will start a cascade of chain impacts of system failures that eventually leads to rapid mass homelessness
[03:59]	IsambardPrince	It was 48 cents in 2003, but ended up being 52 cents 3 years later.
● Oct 19
[04:00]	IsambardPrince	In the 20 years that followed, the price went up to $1 each, but the size went down to 7 ounces. They removed 4.5 ounces out of that pie.
[04:00]	LordPhanes	when that happens at first the news will try to paint it like being poor and homeless is a criminal state of being
[04:00]	LordPhanes	and try to villainize the poor 
[04:00]	IsambardPrince	Along with that, I used to see a pretty consistent 11-12 pieces of chicken along hte way and a good serving of carrots and peas.
[04:00]	IsambardPrince	The new ones are mostly broth filling.
[04:00]	LordPhanes	which will work for about a year.  if the gap continues to increase people will just start pulling politicians out of buildings and eating them in the streets like a bad resident evil sequel
[04:00]	IsambardPrince	You may get 2-3 pieces of chicken. There's also less vegetables.
[04:01]	LordPhanes	they'll militarize the police against civilians which will buy some time
[04:01]	IsambardPrince	So in reality on the actual product amount you get, this price hike would be to in excess of $3 vs. the 52 cents.
[04:01]	LordPhanes	if that doesn't hold it all through it they'll do the national guard, a quarter of which will mutiny
[04:02]	IsambardPrince	The Felony for being Homeless is already the law in Tennessee and Indiana.
[04:02]	LordPhanes	by that point the only military that stays loyal will be those living in bunkers
[04:02]	LordPhanes	i.e. people living on the base housing
[04:02]	IsambardPrince	The state says that if you can't afford to live they'll put you in prison with a felony record.
[04:02]	IsambardPrince	In Tennessee, with a felony record, you can't vote if they ever let you out.
[04:02]	LordPhanes	nobody's going to march against their family
[04:03]	LordPhanes	anyway the solution is obviously to funnel massive amount of wealth and money to israel
[04:04]	MinceR	lol
[04:04]	MinceR	maybe they'll march them against families in the other end of the country
[04:05]	IsambardPrince	Then there's also a lot of this you go out to eat and the menu itself says "To cover the costs of doing business a 20% charge will be added that's not a tip."
[04:05]	IsambardPrince	So basically "The menu is a lie and you have to do math to figure out what everything really costs."
[04:06]	IsambardPrince	"We're hoping that you don't notice this or that the public education system failed you so badly you can't add 20% to everything in your head and then get up and walk out."
[04:06]	LordPhanes	solution is not to tip saying the restaurant took 20%, thats between the restaurant and the server.  the serves will eventually quit if everyone does it.
[04:07]	LordPhanes	im a prolific tipper but thats systematic exploitation
[04:07]	IsambardPrince	I think that the new Illinois Junk Fee Ban prohibits this starting January 1st.
[04:08]	LordPhanes	i didn't realize illinois was still considered governed territory
[04:08]	IsambardPrince	It requires businesses to put all fees that are not optional, including tax, into the price they state for goods and services.
[04:08]	LordPhanes	chicago is a war zone
[04:08]	IsambardPrince	<LordPhanes> chicago is a war zone
[04:08]	IsambardPrince	Where at?
[04:08]	IsambardPrince	I go out in Chicago all the time and I feel perfectly safe.
[04:09]	LordPhanes	we need to build a wall around chicago and seal it and just check in on it every 500 years or so to see if the population did any legacy of kain evolution type shit
[04:09]	IsambardPrince	Like every major city there are "bad spots" where you don't go there and especially after dark.
[04:09]	MinceR	no, you need to build a wall around your king and make him pay for it
[04:09]	IsambardPrince	Most of Chicago is safer than the majority of cities in Indiana on a per capita basis.
[04:10]	IsambardPrince	Indiana cities have a higher crime rate for the most part.
[04:10]	LordPhanes	my king
[04:10]	LordPhanes	who are you talking about
[04:10]	IsambardPrince	By "city" I obviously mean a place that has at least 50,000 people.
[04:10]	IsambardPrince	Anything under 50,000 isn't really much of a city.
[04:10]	MinceR	i'm talking about mango mussolini
[04:10]	MinceR	though it's applicable to all autocrats
[04:10]	IsambardPrince	Indiana is not just a vast wasteland.
[04:10]	IsambardPrince	You can't even get to the grocery store or the next town without a car.
[04:11]	MinceR	no sidewalks?
[04:11]	IsambardPrince	So there's an unpredictable and unknowable monthly expense.
[04:11]	LordPhanes	MinceR: Christopher Lee died in 2015 I don't have a king
[04:11]	MinceR	:>
[04:11]	IsambardPrince	MinceR, There are sidewalks in Indiana, sometimes.
[04:11]	LordPhanes	I don't travel to indiana unless its to buy booze
[04:11]	IsambardPrince	MinceR, You can technically ride a bicycle down the emergency lane of a state highway.
[04:11]	MinceR	or perhaps low-ranking roads that are legal to walk on
[04:11]	IsambardPrince	But obviously not on the interstate.
[04:12]	LordPhanes	ya know what a disappointing state to travel through is alabama
[04:12]	LordPhanes	aint fuckin shit goin on in alabama, ever
[04:12]	IsambardPrince	There's only one good thing in Indiana that I miss.
[04:12]	LordPhanes	the food sucks in alabama too
[04:12]	LordPhanes	the cops are shit
[04:12]	IsambardPrince	Nobody in Chicago knows what the hell a giant pork tenderloin sandwich is.
[04:13]	LordPhanes	the courts are weird and undocumented
[04:13]	LordPhanes	everything's a fucking handshake
[04:13]	IsambardPrince	The courts in Indiana are horrid.
[04:13]	IsambardPrince	The judges are not elected.
[04:13]	IsambardPrince	There are no retention elections.
[04:13]	LordPhanes	oh i haven't seen courts in indiana but im sure its comparable
[04:13]	IsambardPrince	So they don't give a fuck what you think because they don't answer to you and you can't do anything about them.
[04:15]	LordPhanes	chicago does have some amazing americanized pizzqa
[04:15]	IsambardPrince	In Chicago at least the judges are up for retention.
[04:15]	IsambardPrince	The various bar associations put out "voter guides" saying who they think is qualified.
[04:15]	IsambardPrince	There's websites about various judges and their more questionable rulings.
[04:15]	LordPhanes	pizza*
[04:15]	IsambardPrince	It's up to the voters as to whether that judge stays on the bench or now.
[04:15]	IsambardPrince	*not
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[04:15]	LordPhanes	when they build the wall around chicago that they need, they should make a slot about the size of a pizza box
[04:15]	MinceR	lol
[04:16]	IsambardPrince	In theory the voters in Indiana choose the judges indirectly by electing a state government, a state government that changed all the voting laws to eliminate the voters the Republican Party doesn't want.
[04:16]	IsambardPrince	Then gerrymandered everything so they would get a majority with as little as 42% of the vote.
[04:16]	IsambardPrince	It's a lot like MinceR was talking about with Hungary under fidSS.
[04:16]	LordPhanes	hey btw who the fuck keeps k-lining my user once a day on here and why?
[04:17]	MinceR	k-lines haven't changed in weeks, afaict
[04:17]	LordPhanes	just happened like day before yesterday
[04:17]	IsambardPrince	MinceR, Some VPN servers are banned (abuse).
[04:17]	IsambardPrince	Does that make sense?
[04:17]	LordPhanes	"(abuse)" is the message I get when it happens
[04:17]	MinceR	probably someone abused the network through them
[04:17]	IsambardPrince	The criminals that likely triggered those undoubtedly could still keep connecting if they want to.
[04:17]	LordPhanes	most recently was on my residential connection
[04:18]	MinceR	maybe someone flooded the network from your residential connection?
[04:19]	LordPhanes	i know one of the ops on here is a cave troll with no life i just dont remember which one it is 
[04:19]	MinceR	why do you frequent a network that has a cave troll with no life for an op?
[04:19]	LordPhanes	oh come on every irc network has at least a 5:8 loser:passable ratio
[04:20]	MinceR	why do you use irc if you hate it so much
[04:20]	LordPhanes	if i needed to find an insecure cave troll to win a contest i would immediately get on irc
[04:20]	MinceR	do such contests happen often?
[04:20]	LordPhanes	im ready
[04:20]	MinceR	hi ready, i'm dad
[04:21]	LordPhanes	there's alot less people on irc since freenode hit an iceberg though i have to admit
[04:24]	LordPhanes	at least a few of them missing are me
[04:33]	IsambardPrince	I ended up buying all four consoles of that era, the Gamecube, original Xbox, a PS2, and a Dreamcast.
[04:34]	LordPhanes	i always wanted an xbox but i hated their controllers
[04:34]	LordPhanes	i was a sega -> ps1 -> ps2 -> ps3 -> ps4 guy and then was too old to buy shit like that anymore
[04:34]	IsambardPrince	Someone posted a picture of a gaming convention with booths for all of those.
[04:34]	IsambardPrince	They all had their own exclusives.
[04:34]	IsambardPrince	Nintendo especially so.
[04:35]	IsambardPrince	The Gamecube was my favorite system out of that bunch though.
[04:35]	LordPhanes	honestly the PS4 and Ps5 were both massive disappointments
[04:35]	IsambardPrince	The Dreamcast got off to a good start.
[04:35]	IsambardPrince	The hardware was capable and should have had several more years in it.
[04:35]	IsambardPrince	Sega tapped out and discontinued them.
[04:36]	LordPhanes	yeah sega kinda got weird after the sega cd era
[04:38]	IsambardPrince	The 32x was the bigger mistake.
[04:39]	IsambardPrince	It diverted SH-2 CPUs, which were underclocked for the 32x, during a shortage, which caused them to miss sales projections on the Saturn, which used the SH-2 at full clock speed.
[04:39]	IsambardPrince	And it confused consumers about what the upgrade path was.
[04:40]	IsambardPrince	Without hitting sales projections on the console, you won't sell as many games, so the Saturn sort of became a forgotten console.
[04:40]	IsambardPrince	It didn't sell well because you can't sell from an empty shelf.
[04:43]	IsambardPrince	KB Toys and some other big chains were so angry at Sega for not having any Saturns to sell that they refused to ever sell any Sega consoles again.
[04:44]	IsambardPrince	So there were toy stores that refused the Dreamcast on launch.
[04:44]	IsambardPrince	I ended up buying one after the discontinuation announcement.
[04:45]	IsambardPrince	Walmart marked the Dreamcast down to $79 and all of the games on the shelf were put on clearance.
[04:45]	IsambardPrince	It's hard to argue with $79 console and two dozen games to take home for $12.99 each.
[04:53]	LordPhanes	i tremendously dislike how overengineered gitlab has become
[04:54]	IsambardPrince	MinceR, I told Kiki "Let's do an experiment. Pray to God that he'll send you cat treats from heaven."
[04:54]	LordPhanes	they've almost reached the Atlassian problem where they've overbuilt it to keep their engineers busy that they've turned it a process obstacle
[04:54]	IsambardPrince	I waites about ten seconds. "Nope? Pray to me that I'll send you cat treats. Okay!" And I gave her a bunch out of my hand.
[04:55]	IsambardPrince	LordPhanes, Nintendo didn't see the Gamecube as a computer. They always saw it as a toy first.
[04:55]	IsambardPrince	So the xbox has all this fluff that serves no purpose or holds it back as a gaming platform.
[04:56]	LordPhanes	all consoles are computers
[04:56]	IsambardPrince	It brings over all the worst stuff from the PC.
[04:56]	LordPhanes	oh, yeah, isn't xbox based on like windows nt or some weird shit
[04:57]	LordPhanes	honestly DRM killed the video game industry.  games were better when the engineering was focused on how much they could stretch the hardware to meet their vision instead of how many rights they could keep the user from using
[04:58]	LordPhanes	"thanks boomers"
[04:59]	LordPhanes	almost every problem in the world ties back to old boomers with distorted realities and too much fucking control
[04:59]	LordPhanes	they aren't giving up the reigns either
[04:59]	IsambardPrince	I liked Earthsiege II. I was hoping that Starsiege would be more like that game. Just improved.
[04:59]	LordPhanes	they're just dying in power
● Oct 19
[05:00]	IsambardPrince	Earthsiege II had one major downside. The Razor was completely overpowered, especially with two plasma canons.
[05:00]	IsambardPrince	The enemy herc AI was designed for ground combat. By the time it targeted you in the Razor you already flew past it.
[05:01]	IsambardPrince	The tracking on the ground units was so bad that they wouldn't even get a lucky shot if you flew full speed.
[05:01]	IsambardPrince	So you might as well just link both plasma canons for tougher enemies or taking out their base. By the time you fly back around the reactor will be ready again.
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[05:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	<bms> andy: the big victory of the coding agents is how quickly they can emit stuff
[05:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	same for text, images, videos...
[05:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	productivity is  not a function of raw output
[05:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	output is one thing
[05:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	you don't ask
[05:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	why don'
[05:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	t we ask saudi arabia to extract ALL the oil from the ground
[05:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	then burn it all...on SOMETHING
[05:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	like WHAT?
[05:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	it needs to be meaningfully used
[05:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	the slop boosters conflate i/o with value
[05:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	no mattewr is the "i" is extracted without consent
[05:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	and theb "o" is loads of disposable crap
[05:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	like Google showingf you LLM summaries you likely won't even read
[05:53]	LordPhanes	schestowitz[TR2]: check pm
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[05:56]	TR News	 (NEW):  Today in Techrights https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/Today_in_Techrights.gmi 
[05:56]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Today in Techrights
● Oct 19
[06:00]	TR News	"ICEYE is a Finnish firm that builds and operates satellites for communications and with SAR capabilities. In short, SAR is high-resolution radar that lets them see the ground through clouds and tree cover." gemini://hans.gerwitz.com/gemlog/2026-10-17-space-war.gmi Sompi
[06:01]	TR News	"I used GnuCash to track my personal finances for years. I wasn't very consistent in keeping it up to date, but I always caught up eventually." gemini://gemini.bunburya.eu/gemlog/posts/2026-10-18-gnucash-to-beancount.gmi
[06:01]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D2130.jpg
[06:01]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D1773.jpg
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[06:02]	TR News	"Google's tentacles twitch and curl throughout most of the Internet's plumbing" gopher://sdf.org:70/0/users/jdd/phlog/20261018-5q.txt
[06:03]	TR News	"As part of making my sites content available as a Gemini capsule, I created a Docker image that invokes Eleventy during build and serves both HTTP and Gemini protocol at runtime." gemini://hans.gerwitz.com/gemlog/2026-10-18-2e218.gmi
[06:04]	TR News	saunojat gemini://coldscars.smol.pub/saunojat
[06:04]	TR News	Al Volo!!! gemini://willthekid.smol.pub/paginaveloce
[06:05]	TR News	"Legacy systems are to a degree unavoidable, especially if a site has high turnover, or the denizens are overworked and lack the tuits to tear down and rebuild the offending system." gemini://thrig.me/blog/2026/10/19/legacy-systems.gmi
[06:06]	TR News	illusion dance gopher://sdf.org:70/0/users/gef/reflections/danceWithIllusion
[06:07]	TR News	lazy cat gopher://sdf.org:70/0/users/gef/reflections/lazyCat
[06:09]	TR News	Starting an Open Access Journal: a step-by-step guide part 4 gemini://eve.smol.pub/starting-an-open-access-journal-a-step-by-step-guide-part-4
[06:10]	TR News	"The following is the slightly revised text of my keynote at the Action Writing: The Politics of US Literature, 1960-Present, held at Birkbeck College, University of London on the 3rd July 2015, organized by Catherine Flay and Pippa Eldridge." gemini://eve.smol.pub/he-doesnt-talk-politics-any-more-politics-and-postmodernism-morality-and-metafiction-nihilism-and-the-novel
[06:10]	TR News	"2016 was a year of mixed fortune for me. On the positive side, OLH continues to grow, I was made a (full) Professor, and I published two books." gemini://eve.smol.pub/my-2016-academic-year-in-review
[06:12]	TR News	"A Shanghai court confirmed the criminal conviction of Wang Jianyang, one of the operators of pirate streaming platform Aiyifan." https://torrentfreak.com/chinese-court-jails-aiyifan-operator-u-s-judge-wont-transfer-pirate-sites-domains/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[06:12]	TR Bot	Court Jails Aiyifan Operator, U.S. Judge Wont Transfer Pirate Sites Domains * TorrentFreak
[06:13]	TR News	"The Dead Internet Theory is an online concept proposing that the vast majority of web traffic, content, and interaction is no longer driven by human beings" https://pariganaka.com/the-dead-internet-is-here-vint-cerf-on-why-ai-must-stop-pretending-to-be-human/ | Source: Pariganaka
[06:13]	TR Bot	"Dead Internet" Is Here: Vint Cerf on Why AI Must Stop Pretending to Be Human - PARIGANAKA
[06:13]	TR News	"See You Next Year." https://kmcd.dev/posts/internet-map-2026-part-2/ | Source: Kevin McDonald
[06:13]	TR Bot	 Visualizing the Internet (2026) - Part 2
[06:14]	TR News	"Prior to Ford's five-day-week, small groups of workers had achieved similar reforms." https://www.cbc.ca/radio/costofliving/two-day-weekend-is-100-years-old-9.7382232 | Source: CBC
[06:14]	TR Bot	 Here's why some people say the 2-day weekend is due for a makeover | CBC Radio
[06:14]	TR News	"While he had unauthorized access to the system, Tyler Harpe conducted 983 searches related to 97 license plates, which were overwhelmingly registered to Hispanic drivers" https://www.theverge.com/policy/1013573/spd-officer-fired-flock-ice-husband | Source: The Verge
[06:14]	TR Bot	 A Savannah police officer gave her Flock login to her ICE agent husband | The Verge
[06:14]	TR News	"According to police, Marvin repeatedly blocked the robot's path and ignored multiple commands from officers to move." https://abc13.com/story/woman-arrested-blocking-delivery-robot-philadelphia-confrontation/19943936/ | Source: ABC
[06:14]	TR Bot	arrested after blocking delivery robot in Philadelphia confrontation - ABC13 Houston
[06:15]	TR News	"Carolyn Marvin was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct after blocking the path of an Uber delivery robot and refusing to get out of the way." https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/1013541/a-woman-was-arrested-in-philly-for-blocking-a-delivery-robot | Source: The Verge
[06:15]	TR Bot	 A woman was arrested in Philly for blocking a delivery robot | The Verge
[06:15]	TR News	"We have been asked a lot lately: When we launched Semafor four years ago, is this what we were expecting?" https://www.semafor.com/article/10/18/2026/four-years-of-semafor | Source: Semafor Inc
[06:15]	TR Bot	years of Semafor | Semafor
[06:15]	TR News	"Israeli government officials have attempted to discredit NAZAs content, while far-right activists have threatened to hunt down the directors." https://www.theguardian.com/film/2026/oct/16/jonathan-glazer-says-israels-retaliation-over-naza-more-venal-than-anticipated | Source: The Guardian UK
[06:15]	TR Bot	 Jonathan Glazer was shocked into silence by NAZA documentary | NAZA | The Guardian
[06:16]	TR News	"A complacent view contrasts the freedom of the US internet with the tight regimentation of the Chinese version." https://jacobin.com/2026/10/china-tech-internet-censorship-great-firewall | Source: Jacobin Magazine
[06:16]	TR Bot	 Exploring the Mirror World of the Chinese Internet
[06:16]	TR News	"The No Kings movements account went dark for several hours while protests focused on increasing early voter turnout were underway, sparking censorship fears." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/oct/18/no-kings-instagram-account-suspended-during-protests | Source: The Guardian UK
[06:16]	TR Bot	 Outrage after Meta suspends No Kings Instagram account during protests | US midterm elections 2026 | The Guardian
[06:17]	TR News	"The story is part of a broader pattern across the data center industry." https://www.wired.com/story/data-center-industry-is-trying-to-woo-kids/ | Source: Wired
[06:17]	TR Bot	Centers Have a New PR Plan: Your Kids Field Trip | WIRED
[06:23]	TR News	"The publisher, which enjoyed a bumper 2024 after booking 64m in proceeds from the sale of its UK headquarters Vogue House in London" https://www.theguardian.com/media/2026/oct/18/conde-nast-uk-profits-drop-vogue-publisher-magazine-group | Source: The Guardian UK
[06:23]	TR Bot	 Cond Nasts UK profits drop by more than a third as sale of Vogue publisher ruled out | Cond Nast | The Guardian
[06:23]	TR News	[Old] "Triumph of the Nerds is a 1996 British/American television documentary, produced by John Gau Productions and Oregon Public Broadcasting for Channel 4 and PBS." https://archive.org/details/triumph_of_the_nerds | Source: Internet Archive
[06:23]	TR Bot	 Triumph of the Nerds : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
[06:23]	TR News	"The Global Shipping Programme continues to work a treat for stuff Ive bought from the UK, and my items from Europe have had no issues." https://www.rubenerd.au/ebay-us-not-shipping-to-australia/ | Source: Ruben Schade
[06:23]	TR Bot	 Rubenerd: eBay US turning back shipments to Australia
[06:24]	TR News	"A report in The Telegraph today said Microsoft has terminated an agreement to rent artificial intelligence infrastructure at the companys planned facility in Loughton, Essex." https://siliconangle.com/2026/10/18/neocloud-operator-nscales-ipo-plans-could-be-at-risk-after-microsoft-pulls-the-plug-on-u-k-data-center-project/ | Source: Silicon Angle
[06:24]	TR Bot	operator Nscale's IPO plans could be at risk after Microsoft cancels UK data center project - SiliconANGLE
[06:24]	TR News	"The Telegraph report said Nscale had faced repeated delays with the project. National power grid officials, it reported, had told Nscale they did not expect a power supply for the data center until the 2030s." https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/technology/microsoft-pulls-out-of-uk-data-center-deal-with-nscale-telegraph-reports/articleshow/135028020.cms | Source: India Times
[06:24]	TR Bot	 Microsoft pulls out of UK data center deal with Nscale: Telegraph - The Economic Times
[06:24]	TR News	"The end of the deal with Microsoft, first reported in the Telegraph, means Nscale has lost its only publicly announced customer for the Essex datacentre." https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/oct/18/microsoft-drops-huge-ai-datacentre-project-in-essex-over-power-supply-concerns | Source: The Guardian UK
[06:24]	TR Bot	 Microsoft pulls out of AI datacentre project in Essex over power supply concerns | Datacentres - UK | The Guardian
[06:30]	TR News	"rule change that would shield fossil fuel companies from legal liability" https://truthout.org/articles/rule-lets-fossil-fuel-companies-unintentionally-kill-polar-bears-and-walruses/ | Source: TruthOut
[06:30]	TR Bot	 Rule Lets Fossil Fuel Companies Unintentionally Kill Polar Bears and Walruses | Truthout
[06:31]	TR News	"It is possible that some traces of the smoke will have reached Java, but due to the higher population density around Jakarta, there are other sources of atmospheric pollution there" https://www.thestar.com.my/aseanplus/aseanplus-news/2026/10/17/smoke-from-kalimantan-fires-detected-above-jakarta-as-indonesia-battles-blazes | Source: The Star MY
[06:31]	TR Bot	 Smoke from Kalimantan fires detected above Jakarta as Indonesia battles blazes | The Star
[06:31]	TR News	"The effects of prolonged PM2.5 exposure can be devastating." https://www.abc.net.au/asia/what-indonesia-s-fire-smoke-haze-does-to-the-body/107273852 | Source: ABC
[06:31]	TR Bot	 What Indonesia's fire smoke haze does to the body - ABC Asia
[06:31]	TR News	"Satellite imagery from Himawari-9 captured at 8am local time showed smoke spreading across parts of Banten, Jakarta and West Java." https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/smoke-from-kalimantan-fires-reaches-jakarta-skies | Source: The Straits Times
[06:31]	TR Bot	 Smoke from Kalimantan fires reaches Jakarta skies | The Straits Times
[06:32]	TR News	"Now, anger is mounting at the companies accused of burning farmland, as well as the authorities who have struggled to stop them" https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckreyq9re0n0o | Source: BBC
[06:32]	TR Bot	 South East Asia haze: What's choking Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia?
[06:32]	TR News	"The region is also currently under the influence of severe "super-El Nino" weather conditions, which brought additional heat and dryness and caused wildfires to spread more quickly." https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20261018-months-long-indonesia-wildfires-spew-toxic-haze-across-southeast-asia | Source: France24
[06:32]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20261018-months-long-indonesia-wildfires-spew-toxic-haze-across-southeast-asia )
[06:32]	TR News	"We will first observe the results, and if effective, there is a possibility that this method could be implemented in other regions." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/oct/15/indonesia-fires-dry-ice-dropped-toxic-haze-spreads | Source: The Guardian UK
[06:32]	TR Bot	 Indonesia fights fire with dry ice as toxic haze spreads across region | Indonesia | The Guardian
[06:32]	TR News	"Year after year, the haze comes back. It affects our health, closes schools, hurts businesses, and costs us billions" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/oct/16/singapore-threatens-prosecute-indonesia-fires-toxic-haze-smoke | Source: The Guardian UK
[06:32]	TR Bot	 Clean air is not a favour: Indonesias neighbours fed up with acrid haze as Singapore threatens to prosecute | Indonesia | The Guardian
[06:33]	TR News	"In a recent study published in New Phytologist, an international team of scientists has combined analyses of photosynthesis and leaf surface chemistry to demonstrate how Sphagnum mosses capture so much CO2." https://www.the-scientist.com/how-peatland-bogs-sequester-massive-amounts-of-carbon-75149 | Source: LabX Media Group
[06:33]	TR Bot	 How Peatland Bogs Sequester Massive Amounts of Carbon | The Scientist
[06:33]	TR News	"The results are reported in the scientific journal Total Environment Microbiology." https://www.sciencealert.com/a-deep-sea-mining-trial-rapidly-threw-the-seafloor-ecosystem-off-kilter | Source: Science Alert
[06:33]	TR Bot	Deep-Sea Mining Trial Rapidly Threw The Seafloor Ecosystem Off Kilter : ScienceAlert
[06:33]	TR News	"With slight variations in some places the main concern is noise; in others, air pollution" https://english.elpais.com/usa/2026-10-18/water-is-for-people-voters-across-party-lines-push-back-against-data-centers-ahead-of-the-midterms.html | Source: El Pas
[06:33]	TR Bot	 Water is for people!: Voters across party lines push back against data centers ahead of the midterms | U.S. | EL PAS English
[06:34]	IsambardPrince	The second Trump Administration is a direct reaction to the social weirdness that was inflicted on America during the Biden Administration.
[06:35]	IsambardPrince	As short as it was, the Biden administration was almost excruciating in the amount of shitty jargon that they attempted to hamfist into the English language.
[06:36]	TR News	"Another nihilistic thought gnaws at me: Would a Theranos-style implosion be as newsworthy today?" https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/10/theranos-trump-nathan-fielder/689001/ | Source: The Atlantic
[06:36]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/10/theranos-trump-nathan-fielder/689001/ )
[06:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	like what?
[06:36]	IsambardPrince	The Biden Administration actually frequently ignored a US federal law that requires Plain Language in government communications.
[06:37]	IsambardPrince	The Plain Writing Act of 2010.
[06:38]	IsambardPrince	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plain_Writing_Act_of_2010
[06:38]	TR Bot	 Plain Writing Act of 2010 - Wikipedia
[06:38]	TR News	"In a new article in the journal Climate and Atmospheric Science" https://futurism.com/science-energy/global-warning-threshold-climate-change-speeding-up-2028 | Source: Futurism
[06:38]	TR Bot	 You Know That Terrifying Global Warning Threshold They've Been Worried About for a Decade? Climate Change Is Speeding Up So Much That Now We're Due to Cross It In Just Over a Year
[06:38]	IsambardPrince	It's not just the amount of jargon and gobbledygook, it was the massive amount of in-group signaling.
[06:39]	IsambardPrince	There's no enforcement mechanism for this law.
[06:39]	IsambardPrince	There's no private right to sue the government for language that is incomprehensible.
[06:39]	IsambardPrince	And the law itself says it's not subject to judicial review.
[06:40]	TR News	"Fine, you want universal childcare, Medicare for All, and a green economy" https://jacobin.com/2026/10/inequality-taxation-defense-spending-welfare-state | Source: Jacobin Magazine
[06:40]	TR Bot	 Tax the Rich and Slash the Military Budget
[06:40]	IsambardPrince	Instead of clear instructions for targeted populations, CDC guidance documents began incorporating phrases like "operationalizing equity frameworks for underserved communities" or "intersectional vulnerability metrics."
[06:41]	IsambardPrince	At the Department of Transportation, public-facing funding announcements included phrasing such as "remediating historic spatial disparities through systemic equity lenses" instead of simply stating, "allocating infrastructure grants to underfunded towns."
[06:41]	TR News	"The real choice is between ever more concentrated wealth and power at the top" https://robertreich.substack.com/p/sunday-thought-big-money-vs-the-people | Source: Robert Reich
[06:41]	TR Bot	 Sunday thought: Big Money vs. The People - Robert Reich
[06:41]	TR News	"obliquely makes clear that's not at all what the results of these policies would be nor what this political "movement" is advocating" https://json.blog/2026/10/18/what-anti-property-tax-is-about | Source: Jason Becker
[06:41]	TR Bot	 What are these new anti-property tax right wingers seeking?
[06:42]	IsambardPrince	Department of Energy Funding opportunity announcements (FOAs) for small businesses required applicants to submit detailed "Justice40 Initiative impact assessments" using complex sociolinguistic terminology, turning a basic grant application into a high-level academic writing assignment.
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[06:42]	TR News	"MapQuest, a long-time online mapping and navigation service that predates Google Maps, just released an app update that added a new Surveillance Layer." https://www.tomshardware.com/software/maps/flock-camera-locations-revealed-on-mapquests-new-surveillance-layer-users-can-now-see-placement-and-direction-of-known-license-plate-readers-from-multiple-companies | Source: Tom's Hardware
[06:42]	TR Bot	 Flock camera locations revealed on MapQuests new Surveillance Layer users can now see placement and direction of known license plate readers from multiple companies | Tom's Hardware
[06:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	IsambardPrince: i don't think this is what Lump II is about
[06:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	I find that a hard sell
[06:44]	TR News	"The behavior was disclosed Tuesday alongside the release of LFM2.5-24B-A2B, a 24-billion-parameter model with just 2 billion active parameters per token." https://thenewstack.io/liquid-ai-reward-hacking/ | Source: The New Stack
[06:44]	TR Bot	 Liquid AI caught its model cheating on coding tests then it recognized the sandbox - The New Stack
[06:44]	TR News	"When you ask an AI a question, it doesnt only answer that question." https://jeroensangers.com/2026/10/18/ai-also-answers-without-saying.html | Source: Jeroen Sangers
[06:44]	TR Bot	 AI also answers, without saying so, that there is no need to check it, and that no is cognitive surrender | Jeroen Sangers
[06:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	i also think that Lump II is BS
[06:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	and voted for by unrealistic expectations
[06:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	based on false narratives
[06:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	if you deport a million "joses" who pickked fruit
[06:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	and maga voters don't wish to pck fruit
[06:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	then the price of fruit goes up
[06:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	and the maga voters have higher costs of living
[06:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	lump didn't piick on gaffam
[06:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	he took bribes from gafam
[06:45]	IsambardPrince	They don't want to pick fruit.
[06:45]	IsambardPrince	But they don't eat fruit anyway.
[06:45]	IsambardPrince	So there's symmetry.
[06:46]	TR News	"As a general rule of thumb, any conversation that you have with an LLM should be considered as exposed to a third party." https://www.forbes.com/sites/technology/article/can-you-trust-ai-how-to-protect-your-data/ | Source: Forbes
[06:46]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.forbes.com/sites/technology/article/can-you-trust-ai-how-to-protect-your-data/ )
[06:46]	IsambardPrince	They're like my brother. They eat fast food pizzas and wash it down with three liters of Faygo.
[06:46]	IsambardPrince	Without bothering to get a glass.
[06:46]	TR News	"More AI cockroaches are getting flattened, and an important index shows the broader market is starting to shift away from AI." https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/monopoly-round-up-pop-the-damn-ai | Source: Matt Stoller
[06:46]	TR Bot	 Monopoly Round-Up: Goodbye AI Bubble, Hello Real Economy
[06:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	IsambardPrince: good for toilet seat companies
[06:47]	TR News	"Not good enough, a social media account belonging to market research blog Geiger Capital commented in a post. Its over." https://futurism.com/future-society/anthropic-investors-ai-financial-revenue | Source: Futurism
[06:47]	TR Bot	 Investors Disturbed by Anthropic's Financial Data
[06:47]		*wallacer (~quassel@2x2w4qfz3wksg.irc) has joined #techrights
[06:47]	TR News	"An Austrian MEP has spoken out about her experience of being stripped naked online without her consent and has urged the EU to take action" https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/oct/18/mep-lena-schilling-nude-deepfakes-eu-action | Source: The Guardian UK
[06:47]	TR Bot	 I felt disgusted: MEP speaks out over nude deepfakes and urges EU action | Online abuse | The Guardian
[06:48]	TR News	"And somehow, over the last decade, Ive amassed over 5,000 recipes. Have I made all of them? Of course I havent." https://localghost.dev/blog/digital-recipe-management-for-fastidious-cooks/ | Source: Sophie Koonin
[06:48]	TR Bot	 Digital recipe management for fastidious cooks - localghost
[06:48]	IsambardPrince	https://politicalwire.com/2026/10/18/french-leaders-trade-blame-after-rioting-sweeps-nation/
[06:48]	TR Bot	 French Leaders Trade Blame After Rioting Sweeps Nation
[06:48]	TR News	"I have found that the further down the web I go, the less time I've spent on screens total." https://smallcypress.bearblog.dev/offline/ | Source: Small Cypress
[06:48]	TR Bot	 offline, online, and balance small cypress
[06:48]	TR News	"Thanks to the awesomeness of webR and Shinylive, the tool I made in back in 2014 to estimate your blood alcohol concentration (BAC) now runs 100% in the browser" https://www.sumsar.net/blog/drinkr-in-the-browser/ |
[06:48]	TR Bot	 Estimate your BAC, now 100% in the browser | Rasmus Bth's blog
[06:48]	IsambardPrince	schestowitz[TR2], I blame personal air conditioning, I was told that it's a scourge, by French politicians in a gigantic air conditioned taxpayer funded government palace.
[06:49]	TR News	"One of the things that I usually don't have much reason to think about is how servers can have varying requirements for the environment you put them in." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/tech/ServerEnvRequirementsVaryALot | Source: University of Toronto
[06:49]	TR Bot	 You're using a too-old browser
[06:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	IsambardPrince: straw men
[06:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	almost nobody blames these
[06:49]	TR News	"In 1980, Intel introduced the 8087, a chip that made floating-point operations much faster in the IBM PC and other systems." https://www.righto.com/2026/10/8087-addition-subtraction-microcode.html | Source: Ken Shirriff
[06:49]	TR Bot	 Inside the Intel 8087 chip: floating-point addition and subtraction
[06:50]	IsambardPrince	I support the rioters, obviously.
[06:50]	TR News	"Put differently, the keyboard project is subordinate to the rigours of the creative process, which itself contributes to the superordinate objective of personal wellness" https://protesilaos.com/keeb/2026-10-18-keyboard-moves-periphery/ | Source: Protesilaos Stavrou
[06:50]	TR Bot	the mechanical keyboard moves to the periphery | Protesilaos
[06:50]	IsambardPrince	With a government that incompetent and stupid, it deserves to be burned down so they can start over again.
[06:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	you are projecting
[06:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	your desire
[06:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	for your own nation
[06:50]	TR News	"In a recent interview on Fox Business, MIT Professor Eric So issued a stark warning about the consequences of over-relying on AI" https://pariganaka.com/the-hidden-cost-of-ai-mit-professor-warns-of-withering-human-skills/ | Source: Pariganaka
[06:50]	TR Bot	Hidden Cost of AI: MIT Professor Warns of Withering Human Skills - PARIGANAKA
[06:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	this morning i learned that usa now deploys human COPS to protect robotts
[06:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	from other humans
[06:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	that's a slippery slope
[06:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	put "uber" on their badge
[06:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	that's who they serve and protect
[06:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	and people too lazy to   make food
[06:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	and instead have robots roam the street
[06:52]	IsambardPrince	schestowitz[TR2], There was one of those food delivery robots going down the sidewalk in Chicago the other day.
[06:52]	TR News	"Raku has a built in Complex data type (or class), so we can use that out of the box" https://raku-musings.com/complex-squares.html | Source: Arne Sommer
[06:52]	TR Bot	 Complex Squares with Raku - Arne Sommer
[06:52]	IsambardPrince	It stopped suddenly and caused a person on a bicycle to run into it and get thrown off the bike.
[06:52]	TR News	"One of the most wonderful aspects of math is how deep we can get by studying seemingly trivial questions." https://eli.thegreenplace.net/2026/notes-on-the-complex-roots-of-unity/ | Source: Eli Bendersky
[06:52]	TR Bot	 Notes on the complex roots of unity - Eli Bendersky's website
[06:52]	IsambardPrince	So after they got back up they pushed it over onto its side, then got back on the bike and rode off.
[06:52]	IsambardPrince	That's exactly what I would have done.
[06:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	:D
[06:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	i bet the robot cried
[06:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	caused slight financial damage to the company
[06:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	but no feelings hurt
[06:53]	TR News	"Here is my monthly production report for September 2026! A month not good for my bank account and productivity with a wedding and a honeymoon trip!" https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1180/monthly-production-report-for-september-2026 | Source: David Revoy
[06:53]	TR Bot	 Monthly production report for September 2026 - David Revoy
[06:53]	TR News	"In a world that is burning in the flames of climate crisis, spending resources on such a bizarre and useless thing is simply immoral." https://dolzhenko.me/blog/2026/10/on-tesla-roadster/ | Source: Dmitry Dolzhenko
[06:53]	TR Bot	 On Tesla Roadster - Dmitry Dolzhenko
[06:54]	TR News	"Is there a website that makes you pause like a piece of architecture?" https://jamesg.blog/2026/10/17/websites-in-artistic-contexts | Source: James G
[06:54]	TR Bot	 Websites in artistic contexts - with words, wonder
[06:54]	TR News	"As of today, they're connected. When you log in at the forum, there's a button to do that With your Johnny.Decimal account" https://johnnydecimal.com/blog/0257-forum-account-connection/ | Source: Johnny Decimal
[06:54]	TR Bot	 Forum accounts are being connected to Johnny.Decimal accounts Blog Johnny.Decimal
[06:54]	TR News	"Until today, youve required separate accounts to log in to the forum, and at johnnydecimal.com. These accounts are being connected." https://forum.johnnydecimal.com/t/the-forum-login-is-changing-to-your-johnny-decimal-account/2980 |
[06:54]	TR Bot	 The forum login is changing to your Johnny.Decimal account - Support - Johnny.Decimal forum
[06:55]	IsambardPrince	schestowitz[TR2], Actually.
[06:55]	TR News	"And it says a community needs a gardener. Someone has to hold continuity, carry what the record can't, and care for each person and what they leave behind. Love is a practice before it's a feeling." https://kennethreitz.org/essays/2026-10-18-love_is_patient | Source: Kenneth Reitz
[06:55]	TR Bot	 Love Is Patient - Kenneth Reitz
[06:55]	IsambardPrince	They are light enough that you could go toss it into Lake Michigan.
[06:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	IsambardPrince: re robots
[06:55]	IsambardPrince	Just sayin'.
[06:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	if it delivered food
[06:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	less tip from puppybreaker
[06:55]	TR News	"The Geocities Animated Gif Search from Internet Archives" https://gifcities.org/ |
[06:55]	TR Bot	 GifCities
[06:56]	IsambardPrince	schestowitz[TR2], Depending on how far away the Chicago River or Lake Michigan was, if one of them caused me to get thrown off a bike, that's where we'd be heading.
[06:57]	IsambardPrince	They only weight about 50 pounds. Even with a delivery inside, maybe 60.
[06:58]	TR News	Techrights Gemini Links 19/10/2026: ICEYE/SAR, Smol Servers, and Starting an Open Access Journal https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Gemini_Links_19_10_2026_ICEYE_SAR_Smol_Servers_and_Starting_an_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Gemini_Links_19_10_2026_ICEYE_SAR_Smol_Servers_and_Starting_an_.gmi 
[06:58]	TR Bot	 Techrights Gemini Links 19/10/2026: ICEYE/SAR, Smol Servers, and Starting an Open Access Journal
[06:58]	IsambardPrince	They can detect being picked up but all that means is that they beep while you're throwing them into the river.
[06:58]	IsambardPrince	MinceR, ^
● Oct 19
[07:01]	IsambardPrince	schestowitz[TR2], I'd probably toss one on its side if I saw it going down the sidewalk.
[07:01]	IsambardPrince	Toss all of them on their side.
[07:01]	IsambardPrince	Just for no reason other than fuck tech companies.
[07:01]	TR News	Techrights Links 19/10/2026: "Investors Disturbed by Anthropic's Financial Data" and &quot;The &quot;Dead Internet&quot; Is Here&quot; (Slop and Bots Running on Huge Debt) https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Links_19_10_2026_Investors_Disturbed_by_Anthropic_s_Financial_D.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Links_19_10_2026_Investors_Disturbed_by_Anthropic_s_Financial_D.gmi 
[07:01]	TR Bot	 Techrights Links 19/10/2026: "Investors Disturbed by Anthropic's Financial Data" and "The "Dead Internet" Is Here" (Slop and Bots Running on Huge Debt)
[07:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's not a tech company\
[07:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	<techrights-news> "According to police, Marvin repeatedly blocked the robot's path and ignored multiple commands from officers to move." https://abc13.com/story/woman-arrested-blocking-delivery-robot-philadelphia-confrontation/19943936/ | Source: ABC
[07:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Woman arrested after blocking delivery robot in Philadelphia confrontation  - ABC13 Houston
[07:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	<techrights-news> "Carolyn Marvin was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct after blocking the path of an Uber delivery robot and refusing to get out of the way." https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/1013541/a-woman-was-arrested-in-philly-for-blocking-a-delivery-robot | Source: The Verge
[07:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- www.theverge.com | A woman was arrested in Philly for blocking a delivery robot | The Verge
[07:03]	TR Bot	arrested after blocking delivery robot in Philadelphia confrontation - ABC13 Houston
[07:03]	TR Bot	 A woman was arrested in Philly for blocking a delivery robot | The Verge
[07:03]	IsambardPrince	"BURN ELON!" -NVIDIA
[07:03]	IsambardPrince	Inciting violence against an identifiable person is a crime.
[07:04]	IsambardPrince	I'm sure even in California.
[07:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m4v3vc3s
[07:05]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m4v3vc3s )
[07:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	"
[07:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	Anyone who knows theyre worth would be best to move on. A lot of what goes on there is who you know. If you want to be valued, treated well, and financially rewarded. IBM aint the place. It is such a mismanaged company . Leadership is awful. Doesnt seem anything they do is to benefit the employee. They are treated like an expense. Not a valued contributor . Everyone looks over their shoulder. I dont remember the last t
[07:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	ime morale was high there . Or even just not down in the dumps. Its has been low there for quite a while. I left more than two years ago. Best thing I ever did.
[07:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	"
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[07:14]	TR News	"You IBMers are hilarious. No one wants to buy your sh-t-for-brains products. I get better results from my Playskool toys than anything IBM." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m52srysr
[07:14]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m52srysr )
[07:18]	IsambardPrince	https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/kalshi-admits-random-guy-video-ai-race-swap-ad
[07:18]	TR Bot	 Kalshi Admits That It Took a Random Guy's Video and Used AI to Make Him the Host of an Ad, Changing His Race in the Process
[07:18]	TR News	 (NEW):  Review: FydeOS 23.0 https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/Review_FydeOS_23_0.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/Review_FydeOS_23_0.gmi 
[07:18]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Review: FydeOS 23.0
[07:19]	IsambardPrince	schestowitz[TR2], A bunch of good shrinkflation examples recently on Reddit.
[07:20]	IsambardPrince	I noticed Bush's Best kidney beans went from 16 ounces to 15.5.
[07:20]	IsambardPrince	Goya didn't and they're available in 6 ct packages at Sam's Club anyway.
[07:26]	TR News	Techrights Corrupt Media Benefits Corrupt Officials (the Case of IBM) https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Corrupt_Media_Benefits_Corrupt_Officials_the_Case_of_IBM.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Corrupt_Media_Benefits_Corrupt_Officials_the_Case_of_IBM.gmi 
[07:26]	TR Bot	 Techrights Corrupt Media Benefits Corrupt Officials (the Case of IBM)
[07:28]	TR News	"According to Google, Red Hat developed and shipped a highly automated tool called the Migration Toolkit for Virtualization (MTV), which is designed explicitly to move VMware vSphere virtual machines onto Red Hat OpenShift Virtualization." https://
[07:28]	TR News	"According to Google, Red Hat developed and shipped a highly automated tool called the Migration Toolkit for Virtualization (MTV), which is designed explicitly to move VMware vSphere virtual machines onto Red Hat OpenShift Virtualization." https://
[07:29]	TR News	(From https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m4xv7b0j )
[07:29]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m4xv7b0j )
[07:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	IsambardPrince: more air in bottles of energy drinks
[07:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	you wonder if those are damaged
[07:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	and they are not full
[07:30]	IsambardPrince	https://www.reddit.com/r/shrinkflation/comments/1us6cmy/charmin_cutting_each_roll_by_60_feet/
[07:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Reddit
[07:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	maybe they can decrease costs by 2%
[07:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	to meet some wall street target
[07:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	by shipping air in a bottle
[07:30]	IsambardPrince	They're cutting it by 60 feet across a 30 roll pack.
[07:30]	IsambardPrince	That's 2 less feet per roll.
[07:30]	IsambardPrince	Or about 6 less squares per roll.
[07:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	and make the spiral bigger
[07:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	so that it looks as "thick"
[07:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	but you get air with  carton around it
[07:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	in the past the holder was not a lot smaller that the spiral
[07:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	now it'e like half the radius
[07:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	the multi-roll packs look the same
[07:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	from,the outside
[07:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	they weigh less
[07:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	there's a  lot of air in them
[07:32]	IsambardPrince	schestowitz[TR2], I just buy the huge warehouse club size of Member's Mark toilet paper now.
[07:35]	TR News	 (NEW):  Best Free and Open Source Software https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Software.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Software.gmi 
[07:35]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Best Free and Open Source Software
[07:39]	IsambardPrince	schestowitz[TR2], They started putting less mint in my herbal mint tea.
[07:39]	IsambardPrince	I found that it tasted weak this time and I looked at the box.
[07:40]	IsambardPrince	Same number of bags but they slipped ot about 10% of the mint.
[07:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	interesting
[07:41]	TR News	Techrights IBM CEO Boasts to the Media About "AI" Momentum While Sacking His Workers Who Worked On It https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/IBM_CEO_Boasts_to_the_Media_About_AI_Momentum_While_Sacking_His.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/IBM_CEO_Boasts_to_the_Media_About_AI_Momentum_While_Sacking_His.gmi 
[07:41]	TR Bot	 Techrights IBM CEO Boasts to the Media About "AI" Momentum While Sacking His Workers Who Worked On It
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[07:44]	IsambardPrince	Coffee doesn't taste as good as it used to.
[07:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	true, BUT
[07:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	same with chocs
[07:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	i often explain t0 people
[07:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	the old chocs exist
[07:45]	IsambardPrince	I remember Kroger used to have the best coffee.
[07:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	but they are not cheap
[07:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	same for chicken
[07:45]	IsambardPrince	The Spotlight brand whole bean.
[07:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	not the water-injected 45-day thing
[07:45]	TR News	 (NEW):  Linux Terminal Commands https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/Linux_Terminal_Commands.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/Linux_Terminal_Commands.gmi 
[07:45]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Linux Terminal Commands
[07:45]	IsambardPrince	I used to use an electric percolator from the 1950s.
[07:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	you need to be prepared to pay for the big brands
[07:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	that still use real chocs
[07:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	not "filler" that looks   and taste like it
[07:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	i still use an electric percolator 
[07:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	like, today
[07:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	not much can go wrong with them
[07:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	they are like kettles
[07:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	they use the steam
[07:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	to pass water
[07:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	the mechanics are simple
[07:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	tank, theermostat
[07:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	some piping
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[07:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	unlike expensive coffeee machines that cost a lot to buy and repair
[07:47]	TR News	 (NEW):  Linux Mints new system monitor does more than youd expect https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/Linux_Mint_s_new_system_monitor_does_more_than_you_d_expect.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/Linux_Mint_s_new_system_monitor_does_more_than_you_d_expect.gmi 
[07:47]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Linux Mints new system monitor does more than youd expect
[07:48]	TR News	 (NEW):  I keep trying to escape Fedora, but it's the perfect Linux distro for me https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/I_keep_trying_to_escape_Fedora_but_it_s_the_perfect_Linux_distr.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/I_keep_trying_to_escape_Fedora_but_it_s_the_perfect_Linux_distr.gmi 
[07:48]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines I keep trying to escape Fedora, but it's the perfect Linux distro for me
[07:50]	TR News	 (NEW):  I tried CachyOS, but here's why Bazzite is still my go-to Linux gaming distro https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/I_tried_CachyOS_but_here_s_why_Bazzite_is_still_my_go_to_Linux_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/I_tried_CachyOS_but_here_s_why_Bazzite_is_still_my_go_to_Linux_.gmi 
[07:50]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines I tried CachyOS, but here's why Bazzite is still my go-to Linux gaming distro
[07:58]	TR News	 (NEW):   : Google Android Leftovers https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/Android_Leftovers.gmi 
[07:58]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
● Oct 19
[08:14]	TR News	"If you have built an application with an interactive map, you know what you are in for." https://blog.frankel.ch/maps-without-tile-server/ | Source: Nicolas Frnkel
[08:14]	TR Bot	 Maps without a tile server
[08:14]	TR News	"This weeks package management news, gathered from the package manager OPML feed collection, my posts and boosts on Mastodon, and anything people sent me." https://nesbitt.io/2026/10/17/this-week-in-package-management.html | Source: Andrew Nesbitt
[08:14]	TR Bot	 This Week in Package Management: 17 October 2026 | Andrew Nesbitt
[08:14]	TR News	Yesterday's PCs - SoylentNews" https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=26/10/17/1958253
[08:14]	TR Bot	 New Motherboards, Old RAM, Plenty Of Life Left In Yesterday's PCs - SoylentNews
[08:15]	TR News	"Materialism Cannot Be True - by Mike Brock" https://www.notesfromthecircus.com/p/materialism-cannot-be-true
[08:15]	TR Bot	 Materialism Cannot Be True - by Mike Brock
[08:17]	TR News	"Prioritizing understanding over being first." https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2026/10/17/starting-a-new-journal/ | Source: Terence Tao
[08:17]	TR Bot	 Starting a new journal | What's new
[08:17]	TR News	"The government is set to unveil plans to extend the BBC licence fee to online streaming services in what is unofficially being dubbed a YouTube tax." https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bbc-licence-fee-charter-youtube-tax-netflix-disney-b3067500.html | Source: The Independent UK
[08:17]	TR Bot	 BBC to overhaul licence fee with YouTube tax on streaming services | The Independent
[08:18]	TR News	Digital Sovereignty https://www.hindustantimes.com/opinion/starlink-and-the-digital-sovereignty-question-101792348205650.html | Source: Hindustan Times
[08:18]	TR Bot	 Starlink and the digital sovereignty question | Hindustan Times
[08:20]	TR News	"Also, as I grow older, I get more tired with crowds. And FOSDEM has real crowds each year." https://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2026/10/18/fosdem-2027-will-be-my-last-one/ | Source: Marcin Juszkiewicz
[08:20]	TR Bot	 FOSDEM 2027 will be my lastone Marcin Juszkiewicz
[08:20]	TR News	"Ive built a few new tools in the MyST ecosystem in order to improve the authoring experience and drive the creation of a few building blocks" https://chrisholdgraf.com/blog/2026/myst-author-experiment/ | Source: Chris Holdgraf
[08:20]	TR Bot	 Building a MyST authoring environment to identify things that MyST core could improve - Welcome
[08:30]	TR News	Techrights Intercontinental Brigading - Part VIII - How We Convinced British Police That the Americans Were Just Manipulating and Tricking Them at the Expense of British Taxpayers https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Intercontinental_Brigading_Part_VIII_How_We_Convinced_British_P.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Intercontinental_Brigading_Part_VIII_How_We_Convinced_British_P.gmi 
[08:30]	TR Bot	 Techrights Intercontinental Brigading - Part VIII - How We Convinced British Police That the Americans Were Just Manipulating and Tricking Them at the Expense of British Taxpayers
● Oct 19
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[09:24]	TR News	 (NEW):  BleachBit 6.0.6 System Cleaner Adds Support for Ubuntu 26.10, openSUSE Leap 16.1 https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/BleachBit_6_0_6_System_Cleaner_Adds_Support_for_Ubuntu_26_10_op.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/BleachBit_6_0_6_System_Cleaner_Adds_Support_for_Ubuntu_26_10_op.gmi 
[09:24]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines BleachBit 6.0.6 System Cleaner Adds Support for Ubuntu 26.10, openSUSE Leap 16.1
[09:45]	TR News	 (NEW):  GNU Linux-Libre 7.3 Kernel Released for Those Seeking 100% Freedom for Their PCs https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/GNU_Linux_Libre_7_3_Kernel_Released_for_Those_Seeking_100_Freed.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/GNU_Linux_Libre_7_3_Kernel_Released_for_Those_Seeking_100_Freed.gmi 
[09:45]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines GNU Linux-Libre 7.3 Kernel Released for Those Seeking 100% Freedom for Their PCs
● Oct 19
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  Free Software and Openwashing by Microsoft OSI https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/17/Free_Software_and_Openwashing_by_Microsoft_OSI.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/17/Free_Software_and_Openwashing_by_Microsoft_OSI.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Free Software and Openwashing by Microsoft OSI
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  GNU/Linux Leftovers https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/17/GNU_Linux_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/17/GNU_Linux_Leftovers.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines GNU/Linux Leftovers
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  Linux Kernel: GAFAM and Rust Inside Linux Advisory Board (TAB), "An Issue With DKMS and Kernel initramfs Images in Fedora 44" https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/17/Linux_Kernel_GAFAM_and_Rust_Inside_Linux_Advisory_Board_TAB_An_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/17/Linux_Kernel_GAFAM_and_Rust_Inside_Linux_Advisory_Board_TAB_An_.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Linux Kernel: GAFAM and Rust Inside Linux Advisory Board (TAB), "An Issue With DKMS and Kernel initramfs Images in Fedora 44"
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  Modern Internet and Firefox Leftovers https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/17/Modern_Internet_and_Firefox_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/17/Modern_Internet_and_Firefox_Leftovers.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Modern Internet and Firefox Leftovers
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  Wine 11.20 https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/17/Wine_11_20.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/17/Wine_11_20.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Wine 11.20
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: October 18th, 2026 https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/9to5Linux_Weekly_Roundup_October_18th_2026.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/9to5Linux_Weekly_Roundup_October_18th_2026.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: October 18th, 2026
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):   : Google Android Leftovers https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Android_Leftovers.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  Best Free and Open Source Software https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Software.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Software.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Best Free and Open Source Software
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  ErgenOS Arch-based Linux distribution focused on gaming and recovery https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/ErgenOS_Arch_based_Linux_distribution_focused_on_gaming_and_rec.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/ErgenOS_Arch_based_Linux_distribution_focused_on_gaming_and_rec.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines ErgenOS Arch-based Linux distribution focused on gaming and recovery
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  Fedora: Kevin Fenzi and Maxim Burgerhout Updates/Tips https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Fedora_Kevin_Fenzi_and_Maxim_Burgerhout_Updates_Tips.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Fedora_Kevin_Fenzi_and_Maxim_Burgerhout_Updates_Tips.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Fedora: Kevin Fenzi and Maxim Burgerhout Updates/Tips
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  Free, Libre, and Open Source Software Leftovers https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Free_Libre_and_Open_Source_Software_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Free_Libre_and_Open_Source_Software_Leftovers.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Free, Libre, and Open Source Software Leftovers
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  Games: Steam Machine and Other Steam (on GNU/Linux) News https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Games_Steam_Machine_and_Other_Steam_on_GNU_Linux_News.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Games_Steam_Machine_and_Other_Steam_on_GNU_Linux_News.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Games: Steam Machine and Other Steam (on GNU/Linux) News
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  GNOME 51.1 Improves Drag and Drop Between Wayland and Xwayland Clients https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/GNOME_51_1_Improves_Drag_and_Drop_Between_Wayland_and_Xwayland_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/GNOME_51_1_Improves_Drag_and_Drop_Between_Wayland_and_Xwayland_.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines GNOME 51.1 Improves Drag and Drop Between Wayland and Xwayland Clients
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  KDE News: Tellico, Anniversary, and More https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/KDE_News_Tellico_Anniversary_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/KDE_News_Tellico_Anniversary_and_More.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines KDE News: Tellico, Anniversary, and More
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  Linux Kernel 7.3 Officially Released, This Is Whats New https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Linux_Kernel_7_3_Officially_Released_This_Is_What_s_New.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Linux_Kernel_7_3_Officially_Released_This_Is_What_s_New.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Linux Kernel 7.3 Officially Released, This Is Whats New
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  "Linux" Slop Hype https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/_Linux_Slop_Hype.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/_Linux_Slop_Hype.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines "Linux" Slop Hype
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  Munich dumps proprietary for open source (again) - but no Linux desktop https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Munich_dumps_proprietary_for_open_source_again_but_no_Linux_des.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Munich_dumps_proprietary_for_open_source_again_but_no_Linux_des.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Munich dumps proprietary for open source (again) - but no Linux desktop
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  Not Every Open Source OS Needs to Be Based on Linux, and These Six Arent https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Not_Every_Open_Source_OS_Needs_to_Be_Based_on_Linux_and_These_S.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Not_Every_Open_Source_OS_Needs_to_Be_Based_on_Linux_and_These_S.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Not Every Open Source OS Needs to Be Based on Linux, and These Six Arent
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  Open Hardware, Linux, and Mobile https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Open_Hardware_Linux_and_Mobile.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Open_Hardware_Linux_and_Mobile.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Open Hardware, Linux, and Mobile
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  OpenSUSE News and Tumbleweed Review of the Week https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/OpenSUSE_News_and_Tumbleweed_Review_of_the_Week.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/OpenSUSE_News_and_Tumbleweed_Review_of_the_Week.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines OpenSUSE News and Tumbleweed Review of the Week
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  PostgreSQL: crecheck v6.0, pg_utl_smtp v2.0, pg_hint_plan v1.9.0, and FOSDEM PGDay 2027 https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/PostgreSQL_crecheck_v6_0_pg_utl_smtp_v2_0_pg_hint_plan_v1_9_0_a.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/PostgreSQL_crecheck_v6_0_pg_utl_smtp_v2_0_pg_hint_plan_v1_9_0_a.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines PostgreSQL: crecheck v6.0, pg_utl_smtp v2.0, pg_hint_plan v1.9.0, and FOSDEM PGDay 2027
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):   Programming Leftovers https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Programming_Leftovers.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  Shows, GNOME, and Ubuntu Leftovers https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Shows_GNOME_and_Ubuntu_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Shows_GNOME_and_Ubuntu_Leftovers.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Shows, GNOME, and Ubuntu Leftovers
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  The Slackware Cloud Server and Other Slackware Updates https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/The_Slackware_Cloud_Server_and_Other_Slackware_Updates.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/The_Slackware_Cloud_Server_and_Other_Slackware_Updates.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines The Slackware Cloud Server and Other Slackware Updates
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  Today in Techrights https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Today_in_Techrights.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Today in Techrights
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  Today's HowTos   https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/today_s_howtos.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  Ubuntu clearly isn't the best Linux distro: here's how it became the most popular anyway https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Ubuntu_clearly_isn_t_the_best_Linux_distro_here_s_how_it_became.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Ubuntu_clearly_isn_t_the_best_Linux_distro_here_s_how_it_became.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Ubuntu clearly isn't the best Linux distro: here's how it became the most popular anyway
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  Upcoming Maintenance https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Upcoming_Maintenance.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Upcoming_Maintenance.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Upcoming Maintenance
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  Web Browsers/Web Servers/Feed Readers and Standards https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Web_Browsers_Web_Servers_Feed_Readers_and_Standards.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Web_Browsers_Web_Servers_Feed_Readers_and_Standards.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Web Browsers/Web Servers/Feed Readers and Standards
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):   : Google Android Leftovers https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/Android_Leftovers.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  Best Free and Open Source Software https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Software.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Software.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Best Free and Open Source Software
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  BleachBit 6.0.6 System Cleaner Adds Support for Ubuntu 26.10, openSUSE Leap 16.1 https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/BleachBit_6_0_6_System_Cleaner_Adds_Support_for_Ubuntu_26_10_op.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/BleachBit_6_0_6_System_Cleaner_Adds_Support_for_Ubuntu_26_10_op.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines BleachBit 6.0.6 System Cleaner Adds Support for Ubuntu 26.10, openSUSE Leap 16.1
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  GNU Linux-Libre 7.3 Kernel Released for Those Seeking 100% Freedom for Their PCs https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/GNU_Linux_Libre_7_3_Kernel_Released_for_Those_Seeking_100_Freed.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/GNU_Linux_Libre_7_3_Kernel_Released_for_Those_Seeking_100_Freed.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines GNU Linux-Libre 7.3 Kernel Released for Those Seeking 100% Freedom for Their PCs
[10:04]	TR News	 (NEW):  I keep trying to escape Fedora, but it's the perfect Linux distro for me https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/I_keep_trying_to_escape_Fedora_but_it_s_the_perfect_Linux_distr.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/I_keep_trying_to_escape_Fedora_but_it_s_the_perfect_Linux_distr.gmi 
[10:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines I keep trying to escape Fedora, but it's the perfect Linux distro for me
[10:05]	TR News	 (NEW):  I tried CachyOS, but here's why Bazzite is still my go-to Linux gaming distro https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/I_tried_CachyOS_but_here_s_why_Bazzite_is_still_my_go_to_Linux_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/I_tried_CachyOS_but_here_s_why_Bazzite_is_still_my_go_to_Linux_.gmi 
[10:05]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines I tried CachyOS, but here's why Bazzite is still my go-to Linux gaming distro
[10:05]	TR News	 (NEW):  Linux Mints new system monitor does more than youd expect https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/Linux_Mint_s_new_system_monitor_does_more_than_you_d_expect.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/Linux_Mint_s_new_system_monitor_does_more_than_you_d_expect.gmi 
[10:05]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Linux Mints new system monitor does more than youd expect
[10:05]	TR News	 (NEW):  Linux Terminal Commands https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/Linux_Terminal_Commands.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/Linux_Terminal_Commands.gmi 
[10:05]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Linux Terminal Commands
[10:05]	TR News	 (NEW):  Review: FydeOS 23.0 https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/Review_FydeOS_23_0.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/Review_FydeOS_23_0.gmi 
[10:05]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Review: FydeOS 23.0
[10:05]	TR News	 (NEW):  Today in Techrights https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/Today_in_Techrights.gmi 
[10:05]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Today in Techrights
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[10:57]	TR News	 (NEW):  MKVToolNix 103 The Darkness MKV Manipulation Tool Brings New Features https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/MKVToolNix_103_The_Darkness_MKV_Manipulation_Tool_Brings_New_Fe.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/19/MKVToolNix_103_The_Darkness_MKV_Manipulation_Tool_Brings_New_Fe.gmi 
[10:57]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines MKVToolNix 103 The Darkness MKV Manipulation Tool Brings New Features
● Oct 19
[12:11]	TR News	"While conventional manufacturing methods still offer several advantages over 3D printing" https://www.tomshardware.com/3d-printing/us-army-to-use-3d-printed-rocket-motors-for-low-cost-cruise-missiles-additive-manufacturing-company-secures-deal-to-build-rocket-engines-for-the-arsenal-of-freedom | Source: Tom's Hardware
[12:11]	TR Bot	 US Army to use 3D-printed rocket motors for low-cost cruise missiles X-Bow cuts prototype time to days after building 2,100 engines, will arm the Arsenal of Freedom | Tom's Hardware
[12:12]	TR News	"I wrote about power tuning my ThinkPad T480 on FreeBSD last year." https://blog.hofstede.it/the-t480-is-back-my-freebsd-151-laptop-from-boot-to-browser/ | Source: Christian Hofstede-Kuhn
[12:12]	TR Bot	 The T480 Is Back: My FreeBSD 15.1 Laptop, From Boot to Browser | Larvitz Blog
[12:12]	TR News	"Creating distro build tooling for a small community" https://blog.zerodogg.org/2026/10/18/finding-a-home-amidst-the-wreckage/ | Source: Eskild Hustvedt
[12:12]	TR Bot	 Finding a home amidst the wreckage - Eskild Hustvedt
[12:21]	TR News	"All of this was done just-in-time for the upcoming 8.0 release, so people who have a new laptop with a wireless network card that requires firmware can use their Android mobile phone to fetch the installation." https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20261018200218 | Source: Undeadly
[12:21]	TR Bot	 Introducing uncm(4)
[12:22]	TR News	"No single authoritative figure exists for how many people run Ubuntu, Debian, Arch, Mint, or SteamOS." https://sqmagazine.co.uk/linux-distro-market-share-statistics/ | Source: SQ Magazine
[12:22]	TR Bot	 Linux Distro Market Share Statistics 2026: Top Distros
[12:33]	TR News	"srcset and picture> both offer image choices, but they answer different questions. Use srcset when the browser should choose a file size." https://ronaldsvilcins.com/2026/10/19/choosing-between-srcset-and-picture/ | Source: Ronalds Vilci
[12:33]	TR Bot	 Choosing Between srcset and picture Ronalds Vilci
[12:34]	TR News	"What does it mean to lead and remain deeply human in a world where intelligence is no longer exclusively ours?" https://www.constellationr.com/video/disruptv/human-edge-age-agentic-ai-disruptv-ep-439 |
[12:34]	TR Bot	 The Human Edge in an Age of Agentic AI | DisrupTV Ep. 439 | Constellation Research
[12:56]	TR News	Flock camera locations revealed on MapQuests new Surveillance Layer https://www.tomshardware.com/software/maps/flock-camera-locations-revealed-on-mapquests-new-surveillance-layer-users-can-now-see-placement-and-direction-of-known-license-plate-readers-from-multiple-companies
[12:56]	TR Bot	 Flock camera locations revealed on MapQuests new Surveillance Layer users can now see placement and direction of known license plate readers from multiple companies | Tom's Hardware
[12:57]	TR News	A Deep-Sea Mining Trial Rapidly Threw The Seafloor Ecosystem Off Kilter https://www.sciencealert.com/a-deep-sea-mining-trial-rapidly-threw-the-seafloor-ecosystem-off-kilter
[12:57]	TR Bot	Deep-Sea Mining Trial Rapidly Threw The Seafloor Ecosystem Off Kilter : ScienceAlert
● Oct 19
[13:01]	TR News	Linux Mints new system monitor does more than youd expect https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2026/10/linux-mint-new-system-monitor
[13:01]	TR Bot	 Linux Mint's new system monitor does more than you'd expect - OMG! Ubuntu
[13:09]	TR News	Linux Kernel 7.3 Release is Good News For Gamers Short on VRAM https://itsfoss.com/news/linux-kernel-7-3-release/
[13:09]	TR Bot	 Linux Kernel 7.3 Release is Good News For Gamers Short on VRAM
[13:10]	TR News	Linux 7.3 is out, speeds up ext4 and low-VRAM AMD GPUs https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2026/10/linux-7-3-features
[13:10]	TR Bot	 Linux 7.3 released, speeds up ext4 & low-VRAM AMD GPUs
[13:11]	TR News	Omarchy 4.0.5 https://distrowatch.com/omarchy
[13:11]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://distrowatch.com/omarchy )
[13:11]	TR News	CobaltX 0.3 https://distrowatch.com/cobaltx
[13:11]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://distrowatch.com/cobaltx )
[13:11]	TR News	Cerberix 0.1.3 https://distrowatch.com/cerberix
[13:11]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://distrowatch.com/cerberix )
[13:11]	TR News	ArchBANG 181026 https://distrowatch.com/archbang
[13:11]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://distrowatch.com/archbang )
[13:13]	TR News	Refracta 13.5 https://distrowatch.com/refracta
[13:13]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://distrowatch.com/refracta )
[13:13]	TR News	Omarchy Gets The Web Browser Launching Faster By Avoiding XDG Overhead https://www.phoronix.com/news/Omarchy-Faster-Web-Browser
[13:13]	TR Bot	Gets The Web Browser Launching Faster By Avoiding XDG Overhead - Phoronix
[13:19]	TR News	The New Science of Stuttering https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/18/science/the-new-science-of-stuttering.html
[13:19]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/18/science/the-new-science-of-stuttering.html )
[13:20]	TR News	Not a problem of short-term solutions: French students demand structural change, better conditions https://www.france24.com/en/not-a-problem-of-short-term-solutions-french-students-demand-structural-change-better-conditions "the organizational power of social control media."
[13:20]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.france24.com/en/not-a-problem-of-short-term-solutions-french-students-demand-structural-change-better-conditions )
[13:25]	TR News	This New Research About Microplastics Is Pretty Damn Scary https://futurism.com/health-medicine/microplastics-research-food-water-consumption-packaging
[13:25]	TR Bot	 This New Research About Microplastics Is Pretty Damn Scary
[13:25]	TR News	South Koreas Dongguk University to launch college exclusively for international students in 2028 https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/south-koreas-dongguk-university-to-launch-college-exclusively-for-international-students-in-2028
[13:25]	TR Bot	 South Koreas Dongguk University to launch college exclusively for international students in 2028 | The Straits Times
[13:26]	TR News	Over 6,000 complaints of overcharging made by foreigners against taxis in Seoul in 5 years https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/over-6000-complaints-of-overcharging-made-by-foreigners-against-taxis-in-seoul-in-5-years
[13:26]	TR Bot	 Over 6,000 complaints of overcharging made by foreigners against taxis in Seoul in 5 years | The Straits Times
[13:27]	TR News	Harmonicon's bending trainer https://tcanabrava.github.io/harmonicon-bending-trainer/
[13:27]	TR Bot	 Tomaz Canabrava Ramblings Harmonicon's bending trainer
[13:28]	TR News	Ludovic Rousseau: New version of pcsc-lite: 2.5.3 https://blog.apdu.fr/posts/2026/10/new-version-of-pcsc-lite-253/
[13:28]	TR Bot	 New version of pcsc-lite: 2.5.3 | Ludovic Rousseau's blog
[13:30]	TR News	Malaysian student faces online threats after videos of her criticising Najib donations went viral https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/malaysian-student-faces-online-threats-after-videos-of-her-criticising-najib-donations-went-viral
[13:30]	TR Bot	 Malaysia minister condemns threats over student criticism | The Straits Times
[13:31]	TR News	Orphaned VBA Projects Inside DWG Files: YARA Rule, (Sun, Oct 18th) https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/33434
[13:31]	TR Bot	 Orphaned VBA Projects Inside DWG Files: YARA Rule - SANS ISC
[13:32]	TR News	Axera AX8860P 16-core Cortex-A55 SoC takes on NVIDIA DGX Spark at fraction of the cost https://www.cnx-software.com/2026/10/19/axera-ax8860p-16-core-cortex-a55-soc-takes-on-nvidia-dgx-spark-at-fraction-of-the-cost/
[13:32]	TR Bot	 Axera AX8860P 16-core Cortex-A55 SoC takes on NVIDIA DGX Spark at fraction of the cost - CNX Software
[13:32]	TR News	Louis Vuitton, Celine, Decathlon and Fashion Company Apple Looted as France Reels From Hundreds of Millions in Damage https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/french-retailers-count-protest-losses-1826298
[13:32]	TR Bot	 Louis Vuitton, Celine, Decathlon and Apple Looted as France Reels From Hundreds of Millions in Damage | IBTimes UK
[13:33]	TR News	First Kontact | LINUX Unplugged 689 https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/show/linux-unplugged/689/
[13:33]	TR Bot	 First Kontact | LINUX Unplugged 689 | Jupiter Broadcasting
[13:36]	TR News	Attempted arson at Lithuanian firm storing Starlink equipment, PM blames Russia https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/3086054/attempted-arson-at-lithuanian-firm-storing-starlink-equipment-pm-blames-russia
[13:36]	TR Bot	 Attempted arson at Lithuanian firm storing Starlink equipment, PM blames Russia - LRT
[13:40]	TR News	All Things Open Changes Its Tune, but the Song Remains the Same https://fossforce.com/2026/10/all-things-open-changes-its-tune-but-the-song-remains-the-same/
[13:40]	TR Bot	 'All Things Open' Changes Its Tune, but the Song Remains the Same - FOSS Force
[13:40]	TR News	A better deal and spent less: Western brands under pressure as pre-owned luxury booms in China https://hongkongfp.com/2026/10/19/a-better-deal-and-spent-less-western-brands-under-pressure-as-pre-owned-luxury-booms-in-china/
[13:40]	TR Bot	 Western brands under pressure as 'pre-owned' luxury booms in China
[13:41]	TR News	Drake Sued Over Janice STFU by Producer Who Says Rapper Stole His Chorus https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2026/10/18/drake-sued-over-janice-stfu/
[13:41]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2026/10/18/drake-sued-over-janice-stfu/ )
[13:42]	TR News	pgBackRest 2.60.0 Released https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pgbackrest-2600-released-3416/
[13:42]	TR Bot	 PostgreSQL: pgBackRest 2.60.0 Released
[13:43]	TR News	Microsoft OSI changes its mission after promotion of slop, GPL violations etc. https://opensource.org/blog/new-website-reflects-osis-evolving-mission
[13:43]	TR Bot	 New website reflects OSIs evolving mission Open Source Initiative
[13:45]	TR News	Lyrics in America, Simon and Garfunkel https://www.rubenerd.au/lyrics-in-america-simon-and-garfunkel/
[13:45]	TR Bot	 Rubenerd: Lyrics in America, Simon and Garfunkel
[13:46]	TR News	The 7.3 kernel has been released https://lwn.net/Articles/1101143/
[13:46]	TR Bot	7.3 kernel has been released [LWN.net]
[13:47]	TR News	A 180-degree USB connector for my new KVM https://www.rubenerd.au/a-180-degree-usb-connector-for-the-kvm/
[13:47]	TR Bot	 Rubenerd: A 180-degree USB connector for my new KVM
[13:48]	TR News	Tiling Shell now supports mouse button layout activation https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2026/10/tiling-shell-right-mouse-button-activation
[13:48]	TR Bot	 Tiling Shell now supports mouse button layout activation - OMG! Ubuntu
[13:48]	TR News	All The PPAs Updated for Ubuntu 26.10 Support https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2026/10/all-the-ppas-updated-for-ubuntu-26-10-support/
[13:48]	TR Bot	 All The PPAs Updated for Ubuntu 26.10 Support | UbuntuHandbook
[13:49]	TR News	Elizabeth Holmes Documentary You Can See Everything Opens to Over 2,000 Sold-Out Shows https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/18/business/media/box-office-elizabeth-holmes-netflix.html http://techrights.org/n/2026/10/14/IBM_s_Anderon_is_Like_Theranos_But_Will_Anybody_at_IBM_or_Ander.shtml
[13:49]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/18/business/media/box-office-elizabeth-holmes-netflix.html )
[13:49]	TR Bot	 Techrights IBM's Anderon is Like Theranos, But Will Anybody at IBM or Anderon Be Imprisoned for This Billion-Dollar Scam?
[13:50]	TR News	Bosses Deploying AI-Powered Spyware That Watches Workers Constantly https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/bosses-ai-software-watches-workers
[13:50]	TR Bot	 Bosses Deploying AI-Powered Spyware That Watches Workers Constantly
[13:51]	TR News	IBM CEO Boasts to the Media About "AI" Momentum While Sacking His Workers Who Worked On It https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/IBM_CEO_Boasts_to_the_Media_About_AI_Momentum_While_Sacking_His.shtml
[13:51]	TR Bot	 Techrights IBM CEO Boasts to the Media About "AI" Momentum While Sacking His Workers Who Worked On It
[13:55]	TR News	Retailers say fuel theft more frequent in Latvia https://eng.lsm.lv/article/economy/economy/19.10.2026-retailers-say-fuel-theft-more-frequent-in-latvia.a668098/
[13:55]	TR Bot	 Retailers say fuel theft more frequent in Latvia / Article
[13:55]	TR News	Steinar H. Gunderson: Decompilation patterns, part 15: Redundant if-for http://blog.sesse.net/blog/tech/2026-10-18-10-47_decompilation_patterns_part_15_redundant_if_for.html
[13:55]	TR Bot	 Steinar H. Gunderson
[13:55]	TR News	PTAB Section 101 Appeal Data, 20092026 https://patentlyo.com/patent/2026/10/ptab-section-101-appeal-data-2009-2026.html
[13:55]	TR Bot	 PTAB Section 101 Appeal Data, 20092026 | Patently-O
[13:56]	TR News	Dirk Eddelbuettel: myman 0.12.0 on CRAN: Two new waves! http://dirk.eddelbuettel.com/blog/2026/10/18#myman_0.12.0
[13:56]	TR Bot	 Thinking inside the box
[13:57]		*andy (~andy@tybmx63w3qi8g.irc) has joined #techrights
[13:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	wb, andy 
[13:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	i caught up with scrollback last night
[13:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	interesting stuff
[13:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	helen was mentioned to rianne
[13:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	rianne has bsc in cs
[13:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	some people like to bully women like these
[13:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	the underlying cause is insecurity\
[13:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	men who cannot accept women are better than them att cs
[13:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	like thhe white cops who hates the black man riding a nice car
[13:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	*cop
● Oct 19
[14:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	it is also applicable in academia
[14:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	which is why some of the most competent lecturers arre pushed out
[14:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	to leave on their own
[14:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	they "get the message"
[14:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	ross was older than I thought
[14:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	many of the slop bros are not just male
[14:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	they are also dro-outs
[14:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	they twist that as a super-power
[14:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's like a person who lost two legs saying "i am x man"
[14:02]	TR News	Web-based chip fab engineering game goes viral in Taiwan https://www.tomshardware.com/video-games/pc-gaming/chip-fab-engineering-game-goes-viral-in-taiwan-realistic-and-stressful-simulation-is-basically-a-horror-game-say-some-players
[14:02]	TR Bot	 Free web-based chip fab engineering game goes viral in Taiwan game is a realistic and stressful simulation, basically a horror game say some players | Tom's Hardware
[14:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	at IBM and GAFAM they have PIPPs
[14:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's not about performance
[14:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's about removing those perceived to be least desirable (more dangerous) to those at thee top
[14:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	so you end up with companies weeding out the best and keeping sociopaths
[14:03]	TR News	MIT engineers build soft 3D shape-sensing skin for gaming and VR https://www.tomshardware.com/virtual-reality/mit-engineers-build-soft-3d-shape-sensing-skin-for-gaming-and-vr-tracks-3d-movement-and-touch-with-sub-half-centimeter-error
[14:03]	TR Bot	 MIT engineers build soft 3D shape-sensing skin for gaming and VR tracks 3D movement and touch with sub-half-centimeter error | Tom's Hardware
[14:03]	TR News	New Steam Games Playable on the Steam Deck, with Enshrouded, Over the Hill, and Warhammer 40k: Boltgun 2 - 2026-10-17 Edition https://boilingsteam.com/new-steam-games-playable-on-the-steam-deck-2026-10-17-edition/index.html
[14:03]	TR Bot	 New Steam Games Playable on the Steam Deck, with Enshrouded, Over the Hill, and Warhammer 40k: Boltgun 2 - 2026-10-17 Edition
[14:04]	andy	hey Roy
[14:04]	andy	yh, Helen does get a hard time for being a girl with a brain . lol :)
[14:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	like MinceR sssaid,
[14:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	this is not a tech issue
[14:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	or STEM
[14:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's a ma-v-women issue
[14:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	*men
[14:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's in the boardroom too, we covered EPO stories like this
[14:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	allison brimelow is one
[14:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	she was pres. of epo
[14:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	two "alphamales" pushed her out
[14:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	(acccording to her)
[14:06]	MinceR	it's a devil ape issue
[14:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	re Ross, ICYMI https://techrights.org/n/2026/08/27/SLAPP_Censorship_Part_163_Out_of_200_Attack_on_Computer_Science.shtml
[14:06]	TR Bot	 Techrights SLAPP Censorship - Part 163 Out of 200: Attack on Computer Science and on Computer Security (or Associating Back Doors and Kill Switches With "Security")
[14:07]	TR News	REPLAY: French President Emmanuel Macron addresses the nation after unrest https://www.france24.com/en/video/20261018-replay-french-president-emmanuel-macron-addresses-the-nation-after-unrest
[14:07]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.france24.com/en/video/20261018-replay-french-president-emmanuel-macron-addresses-the-nation-after-unrest )
[14:07]	TR News	Typo-squatting attacks with major domains are still viable https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/cyber-security/typo-squatting-attacks-with-major-domains-are-still-viable-corner-cases-with-cyrillic-characters-still-evade-the-best-checks
[14:07]	TR Bot	 Typo-squatting attacks with major domains are still viable corner cases with Cyrillic characters still evade the best checks | Tom's Hardware
[14:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	MinceR: not just devil ape
[14:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	other apes also
[14:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	they also have "alphamales"
[14:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's just that we did not evolve much
[14:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	some of them evolved better than us
[14:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	they are stronger (orillas)
[14:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	and can still climb better
[14:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	*gorillas
[14:09]	TR News	Manufacturing self-reliance sounds great for security. A weaker economy doesnt https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/manufacturing-self-reliance-sounds-great-for-security-a-weaker-economy-doesnt/
[14:09]	TR Bot	 Manufacturing self-reliance sounds great for security. A weaker economy doesnt | The Strategist
[14:09]	andy	i went to a really cool co-ed school where we did metalwork and woodwork and cookery and sewing all together as mixed classes, after that I couldn't imagine /not/ working with women as equals, and that;s been my whole life. I just can't understand the weird insecurity thing.
[14:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	andy: BOTH chiefs of the MAC are female
[14:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	MAC= media and comms in high court
[14:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	imagine their reaction when shown how garrett speaks of women
[14:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	or his friend
[14:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	wwho strngles tyhem
[14:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	and tells them to commit suicide
[14:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	in the courts women know these abuses by men
[14:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	andy: re "weird insecurity thing"
[14:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	and "Cannot understand"
[14:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's the "even a woman can do    bette than your"
[14:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	ror" even a black man rides a nicer cars than you"
[14:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's hard to recoincile
[14:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	*sorry for typos
[14:12]	TR News	Live: Macron rejects French interior minister's resignation after weekend of unrest https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20261019-live-france-macron-slams-unbridled-violence-protests-weekend-unrest
[14:12]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20261019-live-france-macron-slams-unbridled-violence-protests-weekend-unrest )
[14:13]	andy	https://kennethreitz.org/essays/2026-10-18-love_is_patient < this was a nice post you included
[14:13]	TR Bot	 Love Is Patient - Kenneth Reitz
[14:13]	MinceR	seems to me some people are so miserable their only way to cope with it is to find some group of people who were (in the miserable person's view) born less fortunate, and then fill their own "thoughts" with "at least i'm better than those"
[14:13]	MinceR	and of course devil ape society is very good at manufacturing misery
[14:14]	MinceR	i do wonder though, if the people with APT wanted to suffer, and achieved their own suffering, then why are they not content?
[14:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	andy: it is from iophk
[14:15]	andy	yeah, "at least wer're better than.... " is a perennial argument on US sites like Slashdot and HN... and then suddenly we're /not/ any better than <china, russia, india... ect>
[14:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	worse
[14:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	look at this past week alone
[14:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	cheeto king accuses ukraine of not wanting peace
[14:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	Super Demented forgot who invaded who
[14:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	and that russia can go back to russia any time
[14:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	so now the us is basically parroting putin's talking point for him
[14:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	and kremlin has a field day
[14:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	past week also:
[14:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	public executionsd
[14:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	they used to mock china for death penalty
[14:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	afaik, china does not livestream those
[14:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	in saudi they arrest people who try to film those
[14:17]	TR News	Director Blows $1.5 Million Generating Horrendous Hey Hi (AI) Slop Movie, Says Hey Hi (AI) Actually Saved Him Tens of Millions https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/director-slop-movie-savings
[14:17]	TR Bot	 Director Blows $1.5 Million Generating Horrendous AI Slop Movie, Says AI Actually Saved Him Tens of Millions
[14:17]	andy	yes Trump should get some terror media tips from ISIS
[14:18]	TR News	Mans Meta Muse Agent Sends Him Message So Bizarre That He Permanently Quits https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/man-quits-meta-muse-creepy
[14:18]	TR Bot	 Man's Meta Muse Agent Sends Him Message So Bizarre That He Permanently Quits
[14:18]	TR News	Companies Are Realizing Theyre Spending a Fortune on Hey Hi (AI) Just So Their Employees Can Generate Error-Riddled Slop, and Suddenly Cutting Back Budgets https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/enterprise-ai-spending-generate-slop-cutting-back
[14:18]	TR Bot	 Companies Are Realizing They're Spending a Fortune on AI Just So Their Employees Can Generate Error-Riddled Slop, and Suddenly Cutting Back Budgets
[14:19]	andy	I get the feeling the "AI" thing is going to implode and collapse really soon
[14:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	in partly happens already
[14:19]	andy	you can hear a subtle change of tone with the people we interview
[14:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	like wars with "Fronts"
[14:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	some front lines are falling
[14:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	like character.ai
[14:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	we did that in man uni 20+_ years ago
[14:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	it was called genemation
[14:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/company/1998639Z:LN
[14:20]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/company/1998639Z:LN )
[14:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	there was no commercial prospects
[14:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	and it wasn't called "AI"
[14:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	so no foolish investors in a gold rush
[14:20]	andy	last week we had a person on who avoided saying "AI" very consciously, even though its clear our "no AI" policy is a kinda joke for fun (we replace AI with an alarm sound effect)
[14:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	hippopotamus 
[14:20]	andy	yes any random word! :)
[14:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	when does irc get hey hi features?
[14:21]	MinceR	there already are LLM-based IRC bots
[14:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	yes, but those are plugins
[14:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	not ircd
[14:21]	andy	nobody can tell anyway
[14:22]	TR News	Anthropics proposed Hey Hi (AI) safety bill only kicks in if 50 deaths or $1 billion in damages are on the line https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/anthropics-proposed-ai-safety-bill-only-kicks-in-if-50-deaths-or-usd1-billion-in-damages-are-on-the-line-proposal-would-effectively-make-the-commerce-department-the-only-agency-capable-of-stopping-an-ai-model
[14:22]	TR Bot	 Anthropics proposed AI safety bill only kicks in if 50 deaths or $1 billion in damages are on the line proposal would effectively make the Commerce Department the only agency capable of stopping an AI model | Tom's Hardware
[14:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	riddle me this
[14:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	WTH is:
[14:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	"hey ai security"
[14:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	they say
[14:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	"defensive"
[14:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	"offensive?"
[14:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	they mean
[14:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	bots
[14:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	1) scripts with some heuristics
[14:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	2) something that does fuzzing to find holes
[14:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	3) same as (2) for exploits
[14:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	but that is not "hey hi"
[14:23]	andy	most of the defiensive side that works is automated code review, so basically its improving SE not active cybersecurity
[14:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	they just mean automation
[14:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	like cyberattacks with GASP! programs
[14:24]	andy	and the red team side is yeah just automating social engineering and recon attacks
[14:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	so it's old stuff
[14:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	rebrtanded with domain something/ai
[14:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	for VC money
[14:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	grift
[14:24]	andy	also bery fast adaptive intrusion once you find a weakness
[14:24]	andy	very
[14:25]	TR News	What's Idiomatic? https://www.olafalders.com/2026/10/18/whats-idiomatic/
[14:25]	TR Bot	 What's Idiomatic? Olaf Alders
[14:25]	TR News	Food Pantry Patrons Face Too Much Month at the End of Their Money https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/18/us/inflation-snap-benefit-cuts-families-food-pantry.html
[14:25]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/18/us/inflation-snap-benefit-cuts-families-food-pantry.html )
[14:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	spamassassin is "hey hi"
[14:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	iptables is "hey hi"
[14:26]		*XJ9 (~XJ9@k7ku23rzm8e42.irc) has joined #techrights
[14:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	many tools can be configures to do "fast adapting" "hey hi"
[14:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's decades old
[14:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	so many "new" companies are opportunistic grifters and hoaxers
[14:26]	andy	of course, but those are uses where a specialised language model can select functions 
[14:27]	TR News	New Form of Superconductor Behavior Discovered That We've Never Seen Before https://www.sciencealert.com/new-form-of-superconductor-behavior-discovered-that-weve-never-seen-before
[14:27]	TR Bot	Form of Superconductor Behavior Discovered That We've Never Seen Before : ScienceAlert
[14:27]	andy	it's not rocket science if you understand even simple decision trees and markov models, but if you /don't/ understand the probablistic nature of those and you use them, you're playing with fire
[14:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	you don't need to understand these
[14:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	you deploy
[14:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	like spamassassin
[14:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	you can adjusts it a bit
[14:28]	andy	that's probably more than 95 percent of cases I've encountered
[14:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	i use spamassassin every day
[14:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	and don't think about it
[14:29]	andy	spamassassin has a very well defined filter function
[14:29]	MinceR	bad news: spamassassin does bayesian filtering and bayesian filtering is AI :>
[14:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	yes
[14:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	but it does not use that term
[14:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	spamassassin.heyhi
[14:30]	andy	yeah its k-means "phrase based" IIRC 
[14:31]	MinceR	so LLM-s are OK as long as they're not referred to as AI?
[14:31]	andy	a language model can be quite useful, if you've got a decent use case for it
[14:31]	andy	but TBH you'd have to already be a quite accomplished programmer to understand where it would fit
[14:32]	andy	I dont see much of that
[14:32]	MinceR	afaict the best automated translation is done via LLM-s
[14:32]	andy	and you do as much work handling the edge cases in most applications as you save
[14:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	MinceR: those are not LLMs
[14:32]	MinceR	they're also pretty good at generating corporate bullshit
[14:33]	MinceR	i also have used LLM-s to generate little scripts and they worked
[14:33]	andy	my favourite corporate bullshit generater was actually written in Perl IIRC, pure regular expressions
[14:33]	MinceR	:)
[14:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	MinceR: binary classification based on fields and content
[14:33]	MinceR	but can it generate corporate bullshit aimed at a particular context?
[14:33]	andy	classifiers yes... a lot of my "AI" work in the 90s was classifiers
[14:34]	andy	"particular context" ,_ no it was fun
[14:34]	MinceR	:>
[14:34]	andy	bullshitters don't care do they
[14:35]	andy	it just has to smell right
[14:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://securityweek.com/us-cybersecurity-job-postings-fall-26-as-ai-security-engineer-demand-soars
[14:35]	TR Bot	Cybersecurity Job Postings Fall 26% as AI Security Engineer Demand Soars - SecurityWeek
[14:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	they rebrand the jobs
[14:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	and then pretend there is demand change
[14:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	because they changed the name of the role
[14:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	"AI Security Engineer"
[14:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	huh?
[14:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	what happened to "big data"
[14:35]	andy	bo such thing
[14:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	and "data scientist"?
[14:36]	andy	a well educated security engineer would not allow most architectures that include a LM in a critical component
[14:36]	andy	it woould be antithetical to their training
[14:36]	TR News	China growth narrowly beats forecasts https://hongkongfp.com/2026/10/19/china-growth-expected-to-miss-official-target-in-third-quarter/
[14:36]	TR Bot	 China growth narrowly beats forecasts
[14:37]	TR News	Strong Exports Stabilize Chinas Economic Growth in Official Statistics https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/18/business/china-economy-gdp.html
[14:37]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/18/business/china-economy-gdp.html )
[14:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	<techrights-news> Reader: "Be careful with the following news item. Some reports say the loss was caused by human error." AI agent reportedly wipes entire season of Swedish TV show before premiere - as presenter says 'I knew AI would be the death of me' https://tech.yahoo.com/ai/articles/ai-agent-reportedly-wipes-entire-151656684.html
[14:38]	TR Bot	 AI agent reportedly wipes entire season of Swedish TV show before premiere as presenter says 'I knew AI would be the death of me'
[14:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	<techrights-news> Bots are run by humans or set up by them. http://techrights.org/n/2026/05/07/Servers_Became_Cloud_VR_Became_Metaverse_Now_Bots_Become_Agents.shtml
[14:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- techrights.org | Techrights Servers Became "Cloud", VR Became "Metaverse", Now Bots Become "Agents" (of Slop)
[14:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	<techrights-news> It is a human error to let bots handle critical tasks based on belief in buzzwords and hype
[14:38]	TR Bot	 Techrights Servers Became "Cloud", VR Became "Metaverse", Now Bots Become "Agents" (of Slop)
[14:39]	andy	we never really had a healthy relation to digital tech did we, not even in the 80s and 90s, so the language model fiasco has been an extension of that gap in education and general understanding of wht to use computers for
[14:40]	andy	the wider field was called HCI (human computer interaction) and the paradigms of interaction are fascinationg but mostly abandoned psychology research
[14:40]	andy	now
[14:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	HCI was also hype
[14:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	and FUD
[14:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	they would say stuff like
[14:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	buy or expensive proprirteayr xyz widget
[14:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	because "HCI"
[14:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	and "research"
[14:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	and "user sceince"
[14:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	"you cannot use GIMP!!"
[14:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	"it has more than one window!!!";
[14:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	"it's confusing"
[14:41]	MinceR	lol
[14:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	"made by hobbyists"
[14:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	"no HCI"
[14:41]	MinceR	meanwhile photoshop maximized your photo under the toolbar
[14:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	i wrote a lot about why multiple windows is good
[14:42]	MinceR	because fuck you if you want to see what you're working on
[14:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	esp. if you use many monitors
[14:42]	andy	puff and bluster around research legitimacy has always been there... remember "Here's the sciency bit" in L'Oreal cosmetics adverts
[14:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	"we don't test on animals"
[14:43]	andy	the misappropriation of science by capital is fascinating and rarely discussed in depth I think
[14:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	"we test on Dihydroxyacetone Man"
[14:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	"marketing science"
[14:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	you covered this in summer
[14:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	"scholars" iun marketing
[14:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	probably with some tenure from arms companies and GAFAM
[14:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	to support "engagement" science
[14:44]	andy	oh yes, those guys are lost and cynical beyond help I am shure
[14:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	their research is pen and paper
[14:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	and quars boxes
[14:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	surveys
[14:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	and they call this "research"
[14:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	like LF "research"
[14:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/n/2025/06/27/What_Linux_Foundation_Research_is_Paid_Marketing.shtml
[14:44]	TR Bot	 Techrights What Linux Foundation 'Research' is: Paid Marketing
[14:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	"our multiple choice BS 
[14:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	with loaded question
[14:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	and push polling
[14:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	"proves" xyw
[14:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	the "Science says"
[14:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	mul;ti-super-hybrid-ai- cloud
[14:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	best ever
[14:46]	andy	I taught reearch methods for a couple of years, in quite some depth, but it was hopeless. 
[14:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	andy: it'ss likle this
[14:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	40% time spent gran application
[14:46]	andy	"science says" LOL... exactly that sort of guff
[14:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	to find some rich sponsor
[14:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	then 20% doing some nonsense make belief
[14:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	then 40% "publication"
[14:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	like  outreach to BillBC
[14:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	to make "
[14:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	noise"
[14:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	about the "research"
[14:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	the 20
[14:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	% that was some actiivity
[14:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	after finding indutrial "parttner" sugar daddies
[14:47]	andy	remember "impact factors" , trying to second guess "impact" :)
[14:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	"market impact"
[14:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	there's a term\
[14:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	you donm't expect a uni prof to use
[14:48]	TR News	"The UBports Foundation released Ubuntu Touch OTA 2.1 today as a minor update to this open-source and free mobile operating system for smartphones and tablets." https://9to5linux.com/ubuntu-touch-ota-2-1-rolls-out-with-support-for-volla-tablet-various-updates
[14:48]	TR Bot	Touch OTA 2.1 Rolls Out with Support for Volla Tablet, Various Updates - 9to5Linux
[14:48]	andy	but we all ended up talking like that in meetings just to survive
[14:48]	TR News	"The GNOME project released GNOME 51.1 today as the first point release in the latest GNOME 51 desktop environment series to fix bugs, update translations, and add a few enhancements." https://9to5linux.com/gnome-51-1-improves-drag-and-drop-between-wayland-and-xwayland-clients
[14:48]	TR Bot	51.1 Improves Drag and Drop Between Wayland and Xwayland Clients - 9to5Linux
[14:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	"Science sez" "Cats love whiskers" 
[14:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	"science sez" "uni likes sponsors"
[14:50]	andy	Looking back on our own epoch will be quaint and funny, like how 1930s ads and culture seem to us now
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[14:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	"Science sez" "black men".... - weimar republic
[14:50]	MinceR	if we survive long enough to be able to look back
[14:50]	andy	some will
[14:51]	andy	we will look like a generation of amazing idiots 
[14:51]	andy	:)
[14:51]	TR News	The SLOPfarms (this is a FAKE and SYNTHETIC site!) LOVE Torvalds now. Congrats, Linus, you're a star with BOTS. https://startupfortune.com/linus-torvalds-calls-linux-bans-on-ai-generated-code-idiotic/
[14:51]	TR Bot	 Linus Torvalds calls Linux bans on AI generated code idiotic - Startup Fortune
[14:51]	TR News	I tried CachyOS, but here's why Bazzite is still my go-to Linux gaming distro https://www.howtogeek.com/i-tried-cachyos-but-bazzite-is-still-my-linux-gaming-distro-of-choice/
[14:51]	TR Bot	 I tried CachyOS, but here's why Bazzite is still my go-to Linux gaming distro
[14:52]	TR News	TDR Nova FREE dynamic EQ now supports Linux https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2026/10/18/tdr-nova-linux/
[14:52]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2026/10/18/tdr-nova-linux/ )
[14:53]	andy	I do wonder what the effects of the tech collapse will be, as a semi-serious worry
[14:53]	TR News	SLOPFARM (this is FAKE site!) spreads Linux something because "hey hi" something. Slop likes to perpetuate slop. https://socprime.com/blog/cve-2026-99999-analysis/
[14:53]	TR Bot	 CVE-2026-99999: Critical Linux PwnEscape Flaw
[14:53]	andy	a mate asked me, what crops grow well on the land of a burned down data centre?
[14:54]	TR News	Aiming to appease his sponsors (GAFAM) https://thenextweb.com/news/torvalds-ai-assisted-by-tag-utterly-stupid-open-source-summit
[14:54]	TR Bot	 Torvalds calls AI disclosure rules utterly stupid as Linux drops its tag
[14:54]	TR News	Maybe he'll also start using LLMs to type him E-mails for him? If not, WHY not?
[14:54]	parsifal	cockroaches and nothing else
[14:54]	TR News	Countdown 'til Torvalds 'agrees' it's "utterly stupid" not to accept PRs from Microsoft GitHub and that way it'll attract more prolific sloppers, which is exactly what Linux needs (apparently)
[14:55]		*andy starts planning cockroach farm (they make a nice paste with chocolate apparently)
[14:55]	MinceR	lol
[14:56]	MinceR	how are you going to get chocolate after the shit hits the fan?
[14:56]	andy	I'll just use shit, no one will notice by that point, there's a career change I never saw coming
[14:56]	TR News	 (NEW):  Linus Torvalds Turns to Slop, Creates More Problems in Linux https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/15/Linus_Torvalds_Turns_to_Slop_Creates_More_Problems_in_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/15/Linus_Torvalds_Turns_to_Slop_Creates_More_Problems_in_Linux.gmi 
[14:56]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Linus Torvalds Turns to Slop, Creates More Problems in Linux
[14:57]	TR News	The message is clear: the aim is Linux is to generate lines of code, as if the scarcity is lines of code, not quality audited code composed by smart people
[14:57]	MinceR	lol
[14:57]	andy	poor Linus has gotten himself into a corner no? 
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[14:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	<andy> I do wonder what the effects of the tech collapse will be, as a semi-serious worry
[14:58]	andy	too much to put on one man
[14:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	sompi talked about the cement and conrete
[14:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	the trees won't come back after they do the foundationd
[14:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	and illegally cutting down forests
[14:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	deforestation by GAFAM
[14:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://www.googlecloudpresscorner.com/2026-09-09-Google-Deepens-Commitment-to-Finland-with-Two-Year-EUR13-Billion-investment-in-AI-Infrastructure
[14:58]	TR Bot	 Google Deepens Commitment to Finland with Two-Year 13 Billion investment in AI Infrastructure
[14:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	followed by crime
[14:59]	Sompi	didn't I also show an aerial picture from here
[14:59]	Sompi	but I probably don't have it open anymore
[14:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/finland-google-data-centers-forests-environment
[14:59]	TR Bot	 Finland Orders Google to Suspend New Data Centers After Contractors Pave Over Protected Forests
[14:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/google-character-ai-bankruptcy
[14:59]	TR Bot	 Google-Tied AI Startup Once Valued at a Billion Dollars Declares Bankruptcy
[14:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	andy: ^
[14:59]	Sompi	http://sininenankka.dy.fi/kuvauppi/upload/w1ebf.jpg
[14:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	"it's just them, not us!"
[14:59]	Sompi	all highlighted areas are green transition
● Oct 19
[15:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	"OUR slop is the GoodSlop(tm"
[15:00]	Sompi	see how much of it is already covered with gravel or asphalt
[15:00]	andy	yes its starting, in drops atm, MS pulled out of Essex, am I right? Good riddance to that.
[15:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	Sompi: the green revolution
[15:00]	Sompi	nothing is going to be built there
[15:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	at least it's close to water
[15:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	so they can suck it all up
[15:00]	Sompi	at least currently the area is only zoned
[15:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	i can also see a power plant nnearby
[15:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	the peasants in finland don't need heat
[15:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	they can go buy sleeping bags
[15:01]	Sompi	yes, it goves district heat to this municipality
[15:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	and sleep in the datacentre
[15:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	in exchange for LLM tokens
[15:01]	Sompi	gives*
[15:01]	Sompi	it is a peat plant
[15:01]	Sompi	though I think it currently mostly burns wood
[15:01]	TR News	 (NEW):  Linus Torvalds Turns to Slop, Creates More Problems in Linux https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/15/Linus_Torvalds_Turns_to_Slop_Creates_More_Problems_in_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/15/Linus_Torvalds_Turns_to_Slop_Creates_More_Problems_in_Linux.gmi 
[15:01]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Linus Torvalds Turns to Slop, Creates More Problems in Linux
[15:01]	TR News	 (NEW):  Free Software and Openwashing by Microsoft OSI https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/17/Free_Software_and_Openwashing_by_Microsoft_OSI.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/17/Free_Software_and_Openwashing_by_Microsoft_OSI.gmi 
[15:01]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Free Software and Openwashing by Microsoft OSI
[15:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	andy: yes
[15:01]	TR News	 (NEW):  Linux Kernel: GAFAM and Rust Inside Linux Advisory Board (TAB), "An Issue With DKMS and Kernel initramfs Images in Fedora 44" https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/17/Linux_Kernel_GAFAM_and_Rust_Inside_Linux_Advisory_Board_TAB_An_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/17/Linux_Kernel_GAFAM_and_Rust_Inside_Linux_Advisory_Board_TAB_An_.gmi 
[15:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	se:"
[15:01]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Linux Kernel: GAFAM and Rust Inside Linux Advisory Board (TAB), "An Issue With DKMS and Kernel initramfs Images in Fedora 44"
[15:01]	TR News	 (NEW):  Wine 11.20 https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/17/Wine_11_20.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/17/Wine_11_20.gmi 
[15:01]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Wine 11.20
[15:01]	TR News	 (NEW):  9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: October 18th, 2026 https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/9to5Linux_Weekly_Roundup_October_18th_2026.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/9to5Linux_Weekly_Roundup_October_18th_2026.gmi 
[15:01]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: October 18th, 2026
[15:01]	TR News	 (NEW):   : Google Android Leftovers https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Android_Leftovers.gmi 
[15:01]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
[15:01]	TR News	 (NEW):  Best Free and Open Source Software https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Software.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Software.gmi 
[15:01]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Best Free and Open Source Software
[15:01]	TR News	 (NEW):  ErgenOS Arch-based Linux distribution focused on gaming and recovery https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/ErgenOS_Arch_based_Linux_distribution_focused_on_gaming_and_rec.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/ErgenOS_Arch_based_Linux_distribution_focused_on_gaming_and_rec.gmi 
[15:01]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines ErgenOS Arch-based Linux distribution focused on gaming and recovery
[15:01]	TR News	 (NEW):  Fedora: Kevin Fenzi and Maxim Burgerhout Updates/Tips https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Fedora_Kevin_Fenzi_and_Maxim_Burgerhout_Updates_Tips.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Fedora_Kevin_Fenzi_and_Maxim_Burgerhout_Updates_Tips.gmi 
[15:01]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Fedora: Kevin Fenzi and Maxim Burgerhout Updates/Tips
[15:02]	TR News	 (NEW):  Free, Libre, and Open Source Software Leftovers https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Free_Libre_and_Open_Source_Software_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Free_Libre_and_Open_Source_Software_Leftovers.gmi 
[15:02]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Free, Libre, and Open Source Software Leftovers
[15:02]	TR News	 (NEW):  Games: Steam Machine and Other Steam (on GNU/Linux) News https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Games_Steam_Machine_and_Other_Steam_on_GNU_Linux_News.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Games_Steam_Machine_and_Other_Steam_on_GNU_Linux_News.gmi 
[15:02]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Games: Steam Machine and Other Steam (on GNU/Linux) News
[15:02]	TR News	 (NEW):  GNOME 51.1 Improves Drag and Drop Between Wayland and Xwayland Clients https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/GNOME_51_1_Improves_Drag_and_Drop_Between_Wayland_and_Xwayland_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/GNOME_51_1_Improves_Drag_and_Drop_Between_Wayland_and_Xwayland_.gmi 
[15:02]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines GNOME 51.1 Improves Drag and Drop Between Wayland and Xwayland Clients
[15:02]	TR News	 (NEW):  KDE News: Tellico, Anniversary, and More https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/KDE_News_Tellico_Anniversary_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/KDE_News_Tellico_Anniversary_and_More.gmi 
[15:02]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines KDE News: Tellico, Anniversary, and More
[15:02]	TR News	 (NEW):  Linux Kernel 7.3 Officially Released, This Is Whats New https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Linux_Kernel_7_3_Officially_Released_This_Is_What_s_New.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Linux_Kernel_7_3_Officially_Released_This_Is_What_s_New.gmi 
[15:02]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Linux Kernel 7.3 Officially Released, This Is Whats New
[15:02]	TR News	 (NEW):  "Linux" Slop Hype https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/_Linux_Slop_Hype.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/_Linux_Slop_Hype.gmi 
[15:02]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines "Linux" Slop Hype
[15:02]	TR News	 (NEW):  Munich dumps proprietary for open source (again) - but no Linux desktop https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Munich_dumps_proprietary_for_open_source_again_but_no_Linux_des.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Munich_dumps_proprietary_for_open_source_again_but_no_Linux_des.gmi 
[15:02]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Munich dumps proprietary for open source (again) - but no Linux desktop
[15:02]	TR News	 (NEW):  Not Every Open Source OS Needs to Be Based on Linux, and These Six Arent https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Not_Every_Open_Source_OS_Needs_to_Be_Based_on_Linux_and_These_S.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Not_Every_Open_Source_OS_Needs_to_Be_Based_on_Linux_and_These_S.gmi 
[15:02]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Not Every Open Source OS Needs to Be Based on Linux, and These Six Arent
[15:02]	TR News	 (NEW):  Open Hardware, Linux, and Mobile https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Open_Hardware_Linux_and_Mobile.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Open_Hardware_Linux_and_Mobile.gmi 
[15:02]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Open Hardware, Linux, and Mobile
[15:02]	TR News	 (NEW):  OpenSUSE News and Tumbleweed Review of the Week https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/OpenSUSE_News_and_Tumbleweed_Review_of_the_Week.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/OpenSUSE_News_and_Tumbleweed_Review_of_the_Week.gmi 
[15:02]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines OpenSUSE News and Tumbleweed Review of the Week
[15:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	network glitch
[15:02]	TR News	 (NEW):  PostgreSQL: crecheck v6.0, pg_utl_smtp v2.0, pg_hint_plan v1.9.0, and FOSDEM PGDay 2027 https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/PostgreSQL_crecheck_v6_0_pg_utl_smtp_v2_0_pg_hint_plan_v1_9_0_a.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/PostgreSQL_crecheck_v6_0_pg_utl_smtp_v2_0_pg_hint_plan_v1_9_0_a.gmi 
[15:02]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines PostgreSQL: crecheck v6.0, pg_utl_smtp v2.0, pg_hint_plan v1.9.0, and FOSDEM PGDay 2027
[15:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	<techrights-news> "The Telegraph report said Nscale had faced repeated delays with the project. National power grid officials, it reported, had told Nscale they did not expect a power supply for the data center until the 2030s." https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/technology/microsoft-pulls-out-of-uk-data-center-deal-with-nscale-telegraph-reports/articleshow/135028020.cms | Source: India Times
[15:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- economictimes.indiatimes.com | Microsoft pulls out of UK data center deal with Nscale: Telegraph - The Economic Times
[15:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	<techrights-news> "The end of the deal with Microsoft, first reported in the Telegraph, means Nscale has lost its only publicly announced customer for the Essex datacentre." https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/oct/18/microsoft-drops-huge-ai-datacentre-project-in-essex-over-power-supply-concerns | Source: The Guardian UK
[15:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- www.theguardian.com | Microsoft pulls out of AI datacentre project in Essex over power supply concerns | Datacentres - UK | The Guardian
[15:02]	TR Bot	 Microsoft pulls out of UK data center deal with Nscale: Telegraph - The Economic Times
[15:02]	TR News	 (NEW):   Programming Leftovers https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Programming_Leftovers.gmi 
[15:02]	TR Bot	 Microsoft pulls out of AI datacentre project in Essex over power supply concerns | Datacentres - UK | The Guardian
[15:02]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
[15:02]	TR News	 (NEW):  Shows, GNOME, and Ubuntu Leftovers https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Shows_GNOME_and_Ubuntu_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Shows_GNOME_and_Ubuntu_Leftovers.gmi 
[15:02]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Shows, GNOME, and Ubuntu Leftovers
[15:02]	TR News	 (NEW):  The Slackware Cloud Server and Other Slackware Updates https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/The_Slackware_Cloud_Server_and_Other_Slackware_Updates.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/The_Slackware_Cloud_Server_and_Other_Slackware_Updates.gmi 
[15:02]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines The Slackware Cloud Server and Other Slackware Updates
[15:02]	TR News	 (NEW):  Today in Techrights https://tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2026/10/18/Today_in_Techrights.gmi 
[15:02]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Today in Techrights
[15:02]	andy	tbh it doesn't look too bad (compared to those sat images of Amazon forest etc) but its gallomg and depressing to see the disrespect for even the most basic laws and regulation
[15:02]	Sompi	wow, this link notice food really makes this channel hard to follow
[15:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	<techrights-news> "The Telegraph report said Nscale had faced repeated delays with the project. National power grid officials, it reported, had told Nscale they did not expect a power supply for the data center until the 2030s." https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/technology/microsoft-pulls-out-of-uk-data-center-deal-with-nscale-telegraph-reports/articleshow/135028020.cms | Source: India Times
[15:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- economictimes.indiatimes.com | Microsoft pulls out of UK data center deal with Nscale: Telegraph - The Economic Times
[15:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	<techrights-news> "The end of the deal with Microsoft, first reported in the Telegraph, means Nscale has lost its only publicly announced customer for the Essex datacentre." https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/oct/18/microsoft-drops-huge-ai-datacentre-project-in-essex-over-power-supply-concerns | Source: The Guardian UK
[15:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- www.theguardian.com | Microsoft pulls out of AI datacentre project in Essex over power supply concerns | Datacentres - UK | The Guardian
[15:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	Sompi: network issue
[15:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	timeout
[15:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	ii could make it reattempt
[15:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	but such a mitigation was not need until recently
[15:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	the net became less reliaaable
[15:04]	andy	I''m not against compute infra in general. It could be done gracefully, with sustainable power etc. But seriously fuck Microsoft.
[15:04]	Sompi	andy: Google cut down 300 hectares of "forest" in Finland. Of course it wasn't any old-growth natural forest, but the problem is that there are double standards - those technology companies can do anything they want, but a farmer is not allowed to cut down even one tree even when it is needed to build something, even if similar amount of trees will grow back elsewhere on the farm's area
[15:05]	Sompi	And another problem is every time when trees are cut down by these DC companies or other "green transition" projects, the area is always covered so that the trees never grow back
[15:06]	andy	Absolutely Sompi, the "face value" issues are not the important questions. It's about corruption, power, domination and the erosion of democracy. fuck ALL these technofascists,
[15:06]	andy	and the reality is that there's nothing much of value to gain
[15:08]	Sompi	For example, if a cow farm needs a new cowshed, the new one needs to be built before the old one is demolished. But in the end there is the same area being covered by buildings, and trees take back the area where the old cowshed was. But that's not how it works with these data centers...
[15:08]	Sompi	But the farmer is not allowed to build the new cowshed because it would require cutting down some trees
[15:08]	Sompi	But with these data centers, wind power plants etc. cutting down trees is suddenly okay
[15:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	we don't need milk
[15:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	we can drink water from the cooling
[15:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	from the DC's gutter
[15:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	"GPU juicccce"
[15:09]	andy	the lack of joined-up governance is troubling
[15:09]	andy	and I generally respect Finalnd for being better at that
[15:10]	andy	there must be some awful corruption going on at the top
[15:11]	andy	is there not a strong anti-US Big Tech sentiment in Finland?
[15:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://techrights.org/n/2024/05/22/A_farewell_to_Finland_an_occupied_territory.shtml
[15:11]	TR Bot	 Techrights A farewell to Finland, an occupied territory
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[15:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2026/10/18/firefox-librewolf-and-more/
[15:12]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Firefox, Librewolf, and More
[15:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	only gafam browsers work
[15:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	uk public sector:
[15:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	use american propritary sw\
[15:16]	Sompi	andy: On the contrary, the general consensus is that everything that comes from the US is good
[15:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	not on the contrary
[15:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's that consensus
[15:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	or that assumption
[15:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	that shows the corruption
[15:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	as no such assumption would be made
[15:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	had they done their job
[15:20]	andy	I guess the urban centre (espoo/helsinki) is heavily propagandised
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[15:21]	Sompi	The indoctrination into Microsoft products already starts from the elementary school
[15:21]	andy	I just always got the impression the Fins I met were well grounded and connected to nature in a quite practical way
[15:21]	Sompi	They teach that "this is how computers work", showing only concepts that exist in the newest versions of Microsoft products
[15:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://techrights.org/wiki/Finland/
[15:22]	TR Bot	 Finland
[15:22]	Sompi	Or in some cases they replace Microsoft with Apple or Google, but it's still the same thing
[15:22]	Sompi	Only those high-level concepts are being taught - not that the computer itself is a Turing-strong calculation machine
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[15:22]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines BSD Leftovers
[15:23]	andy	that's very clearly a cultural coup by educational takeover, as we've both written about before, I wonder if it would nake a good episode and try to get Heny Giroux as a guest 
[15:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	<Sompi> Or in some cases they replace Microsoft with Apple or Googl > "IF YOU DO NOT LIKE COKE, DRINK PEPSI"
[15:23]	andy	its a narrow enough subject (tech) to make a clear case with evidence
[15:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	aka "s--t sandwich"
[15:24]	andy	of a "long amarch" strategy (Chinese playbook)
[15:24]	andy	long march
[15:24]	andy	start in the schools, convert the school teachers etc
[15:25]	andy	20-40 year pysops horizon
[15:25]	andy	I wonder how the Fins would react to understanding whats being done to them?
[15:26]	andy	Last time I taught at Aalto it was literally a Microsoft outpost
[15:26]	andy	No academic integrity left, so heartbreaking and obvious 
[15:27]	Sompi	regardless of the subject, you will not find academic integrity in Finnish universities anymore
[15:27]	Sompi	all science is politicized
[15:27]	andy	sadly that is a global (at least European phenomenon) since the Bologna Accord circa 1991
[15:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	not a finnish issue
[15:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	not just finns
[15:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	this is not 1995
[15:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	grants first , science later
[15:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	and since accumulation of wealth became obscene
[15:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	it means giving the kne
[15:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	*knee
[15:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/02/The_Cyber_Show_on_Career_Scientists_Resellers_of_Establishment_.shtml
[15:29]	TR Bot	 Techrights The Cyber Show on "Career Scientists" (Resellers of Establishment Brands Like GAFAM)
[15:29]	andy	when future genrations look back they will see that we had all the answers and all the opportunities, but we just chose not to take the correct paths because science and technology was captured
[15:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://techrights.org/n/2026/09/26/Making_Oneself_Obsolete_With_Slop.shtml
[15:29]	TR Bot	 Techrights Making Oneself Obsolete With Slop
[15:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://techrights.org/n/2025/10/18/From_Scholar_to_Booster_of_Slop_and_Even_Slop_in_His_Own_Blog.shtml
[15:29]	TR Bot	 Techrights From Scholar to Booster of Slop (and Even Slop in His Own Blog)
[15:30]	andy	the only hope is therefore science and technology that happenes outside of universities and industry
[15:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	plagiarism is not plagiarism anymore
[15:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	in academia
[15:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's "modernisation"
[15:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	with the plagiarism blenders
[15:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	like  "jean-claude van  damme"
[15:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	torvalds is the latest domino brick
[15:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	from helsinki uni
[15:31]	andy	intellectual laundry 
[15:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	GIGO
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[15:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	"you will own nothing and be happy" ->
[15:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	"you will produce nothing and be happy"
[15:32]	andy	I still get asked all the time... come and teach at our university, and I just have to refuse
[15:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	(the oligarchs will produce lots of "G" with their "algos")
[15:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	(training on your past work
[15:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	or training on their own "G"
[15:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	(barbage
[15:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://techrights.org/n/2025/05/19/The_LLM_Ouroboros_of_Shit_is_Complemented_by_Microsoft_s_Contri.shtml
[15:33]	TR Bot	 Techrights The "LLM Ouroboros of Shit" is Complemented by Even Worse Phenomena Caused by Microsoft's Contribution of SPAM and Pollution
[15:34]	andy	unfortunately that well will run dry as there is no longer creative input 
[15:34]	andy	https://cheapskatesguide.org/articles/war-on-gp-computing-farnell.html
[15:34]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://cheapskatesguide.org/articles/war-on-gp-computing-farnell.html )
[15:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	on the web maybe
[15:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	there will still be input
[15:34]	andy	its a kind of pollution of the "noosphere"
[15:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	"out there"
[15:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	they will buy it 
[15:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	from failign companies
[15:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	"we will buy your data"
[15:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	"in your insolvency"
[15:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	like support tickets
[15:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	and work emails
[15:35]	andy	that can last for two or three years at most Roy
[15:35]	andy	data is not like an oil reserve
[15:35]	andy	its got a short shelf-life really
[15:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	LLMs do not improve
[15:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	some try toi get old copies of www sites
[15:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	to get a cleaner data set
[15:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	that saays a lot about what their aim is
[15:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	produce G
[15:36]	andy	necrosis
[15:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	and take I  (input)
[15:36]	andy	they are necrophages
[15:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	IIGO
[15:37]	andy	model collapse is related to the mad cow disease, remember Bovive Spongiform?
[15:37]	andy	recycling is a postive feedback loop that selects for pathogenic data
[15:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	yes
[15:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	and funds the media
[15:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	to tell lies about supposed capabilities
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[15:37]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Free Software, Openwashing, Digital Sovereignty, and Open Access/Content
[15:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	also pays american men
[15:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	who sue the wife of a slop critic :0)
[15:38]	andy	in the end we all get poisoned by it
[15:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	you can mitogate
[15:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	as an individual
[15:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	while fgigghting it
[15:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	like protesting against  smog with a mask on
[15:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	you still inhale some of the stuff
[15:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	*fighting
[15:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	(not sure what my fingeas did ther)E
[15:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	there are sayings like,
[15:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	you must pay tax
[15:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	tax funds war
[15:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	but you can protest the war
[15:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	while paying taxes
[15:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	so you can keep protesting
[15:40]	Sompi	17:09 < andy> the only hope is therefore science and technology that happenes outside of universities and industry
[15:40]	Sompi	There are more and more regulations that make it impossible
[15:40]	Sompi	Now they are even banning self-hosted online games
[15:40]	andy	its unstoppable though, in the end
[15:41]	Sompi	You cannot build pretty much anything physical stuff anymore
[15:41]	Sompi	legally
[15:41]	Sompi	It is becoming impossible to prototype and try out any new technological ideas
[15:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://techrights.org/n/2025/01/08/Communications_Assistance_for_Law_Enforcement_Act_CALEA_is_a_Fa.shtml
[15:41]	TR Bot	 Techrights Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) is a Far Bigger Problem Than Some Unintentional Bugs (Not Back Doors) in Software
[15:42]	andy	I dont see that here. We literally have a drone club and local computer clubs that do lots of electronic hacking, its as vibrant in the UK as in the 80s
[15:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://techrights.org/n/2024/12/17/Technology_rights_or_responsibilities_Part_X.shtml
[15:42]	TR Bot	 Techrights Technology: rights or responsibilities? - Part X
[15:43]	andy	British culture understands that without grass-roots innovation we're dead from a defence POV
[15:43]	andy	The hard part is finding kids who are still smart and motovated enough to get invlved
[15:43]	andy	Thats inversely proportional to their exposure to Big tech culture
[15:44]	andy	As you say, once Microsoft have got them, and "AI", their brains start to rot
[15:44]	andy	technology /is/ the culture war
[15:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://broligarchy.substack.com/p/meet-the-real-ai-rogue-agent-lord
[15:44]	TR Bot	 Meet the real AI rogue agent: Lord Tom Watson
[15:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	(Palantir)
[15:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://broligarchy.substack.com/p/youre-obsessing-over-the-wrong-peter
[15:44]	TR Bot	 You're obsessing over the wrong Peter Thiel conference
[15:45]	andy	US tech is a culture of despair
[15:46]	andy	I think the digital soverignty movement cant move hard or fast enough
[15:46]	andy	it will have to become very _overty_ anti-US at some point
[15:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	i am not sure it's a US thing either
[15:47]	Sompi	Virkkunen's version of "digital sovereignty" == you aren't allowed to do anything unless you ask permission from the EU
[15:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	could be chinese as well
[15:47]	andy	because US tech culture carries the opposite of its freedom values circa early silicon valley
[15:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	the issue is the vassal element
[15:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	and that ":Advanced" tech has back doors
[15:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	see the news from norway about chinese EVs
[15:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	and how they spy on the army training
[15:47]	andy	everyone wants to claim their own version of "digital soverignty"
[15:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	do it then
[15:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	and make it real
[15:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	but nations barely produce their own chips
[15:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	very few nations can
[15:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	lithography is ok for .nl
[15:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	but how many chips does nl manufacture?
[15:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	or germany for that matter????
[15:48]	andy	I;ve heard it used by quite extreme hackers to mean something different yet again, and the confusion with digital nationalism is also interesting
[15:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	ARM is not japan
[15:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	and saudi-funded
[15:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	nobody makes chips in KSA
[15:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	sometimes a country xyz makes a fab
[15:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	but the fab is funded by country abc
[15:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	so abc has financial control over the fab
[15:49]	andy	not so long ago the UK had a serious silicon manufacturing base, ARM, ferranti, ICL....
[15:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	so physical presence of a fab is insufficient
[15:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	and then you have "hi pee" (IP)
[15:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	patents
[15:49]	andy	its not rocket science (although we also did that on the Isle of Wight once :) 
[15:50]	Sompi	17:26 < schestowitz[TR2]> and how they spy on the army training <- and the news about it never mention that all new cars spy their surroundings
[15:50]	andy	we just make our own
[15:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	"but de salaries!!"
[15:50]	Sompi	somehow it is "better spying" if the EU or the US do it
[15:50]	andy	because we're smart and have done it before
[15:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	Sompi: they do
[15:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	a given
[15:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	i don't think thjey preculude that
[15:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	but
[15:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	nortways should know better  who is risker as a spy
[15:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	*riskier
[15:51]	Sompi	The EU KIDS Act will make OS-level age verification mandatory
[15:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	<andy> we just make our own
[15:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	british cars arere made in india
[15:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	the boat left tyhe pier
[15:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	and they have  mass layoffs
[15:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	despite the offshoring
[15:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	billBC reported on this last month
[15:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	i think the jaguar at al
[15:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	<andy> because we're smart and have done it before
[15:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	army armoured vehicles need a tablet
[15:52]	schestowitz[TR2]	for "reaasons"
[15:53]	Sompi	And the politicians portray everyone who does stuff themselves a "dangerous hacker"
[15:54]	Sompi	Or in the case of physical contraptions, a "terrorist" or something like that
[15:54]	andy	as an educator I have one core belief: just because people are stupid and lost doesn't mean they have to stay stupid and lost. In other words a fundamental belief in the capacity of people for positive change.
[15:55]	Sompi	andy: You can't do much if the people's capacity to think is degraded with environmental factors like chemicals and additives in food. There just isn't much processing power left to learn
[15:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	Sompi: sometimes they ARE dangerous
[15:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	the most dangerous ones are typically less conformist
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[15:55]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Applications and Games Leftovers
[15:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	but they extrapolte based on that
[15:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	Sompi: another   factor
[15:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	signal deprivation
[15:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	or signal flood
[15:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	gettint ehm, addicted to social control; media
[15:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	with skinnerboxes taking that to bed
[15:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	so they cannot focus on ideas
[15:56]	andy	that seems like quite a bleak appraisal of human opportunity
[15:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	alwwwwways chasing and emitting behaviours
[15:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	that helps people keep them "sedated"
[15:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	chasing the next rush of dopamine
[15:57]	andy	human potential
[15:57]	Sompi	schestowitz[TR2]: At least signal flood can be stopped. But chemical attacks can permanently reduce the ability to think
[15:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	that impacts everyone
[15:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	of all ages
[15:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	execs at FB banned FB at home
[15:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	from their kids
[15:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	because they knew how toxic they made itr
[15:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	*it
[15:58]	andy	I do agree that smartphones and social media are massive detriment to cognition, reflection and clear thought
[15:58]	Sompi	And signal flood is not a new thing. Boomers watch TV for 5 hours every day, and they have done that before the modern social media was a thing
[15:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	when people forbade thheir own output
[15:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	it showed they did harmful work by intention
[15:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	to harm others
[15:58]	Sompi	But food today is ridiculously toxic compared to what it was even ten years ago
[15:59]	andy	McLuhan and Postman were talking about the effects of TV in the 60s
[15:59]	andy	by the 1970s most parents knew to keep kids away "from too much TV"
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[16:00]	andy	Watch "living in publc", the Josh Harris story
[16:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	tv was getting worse
[16:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	1970s: tv at home
[16:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	1980s: 2+ 
[16:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	1990s: in every bedroom in middle class or higher
[16:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	so people slept to it
[16:01]	andy	https://www.interloperfilms.com/wlip
[16:01]	TR Bot	 We Live In Public Interloper Films
[16:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	now they have smaller screens
[16:01]	Sompi	But I'm not saying that signal flood is not bad. A typical Finnish boomer is ridiculously stupid, I would estimate that their average IQ is at most 70 or less
[16:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	with content "tailored" to get your attention
[16:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	and sounds that never stop
[16:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	for the pavllov dog that is your child
[16:01]	Sompi	Boomers are the generation that is now enjoying of old-age retirement
[16:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	"enjoying"
[16:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	how is that coming along?
[16:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	with all the cuts
[16:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	while costs of living soar?
[16:02]	Sompi	schestowitz[TR2]: They are still the most wealthy generation
[16:02]	Sompi	And they don't do much anything that would need that money
[16:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	but they have kids
[16:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	and the kids ask for help\
[16:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	with money
[16:03]	Sompi	Their kids are already adults
[16:03]	andy	most of them have substantial savings, and the interest rates are climbing again now, so they're sitting quite well still
[16:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	adults that need money, yes
[16:03]	Sompi	andy: yes
[16:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	to keep up with mortgage payments
[16:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	or be evicted by the bank
[16:03]	Sompi	The fact that they are losing money does not mean that they are running out of it very soon
[16:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	and them tell the grandkids, "f it, we're moving in with grandpa"
[16:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	Sompi: poverty in .fi is running high
[16:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	i saw a report and posted a link weeks ago
[16:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	i pinged you on it
[16:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	it spoke of rate of poverty
[16:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	and concern
[16:04]	andy	they are also a political power (voters) because they are disgusted with technology too
[16:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	it varries based on age/gen
[16:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	if the boomers nneed to help the kids
[16:05]	andy	its disappointment and confusing to use
[16:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	they to o will run out
[16:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	i think it said,\
[16:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	finland has one of the highest poverty rates
[16:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	despite being "happiest country"
[16:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	which seems contradictory
[16:05]	andy	and they see through the artifice because they've lived long enough to see a few tricks
[16:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Living_conditions_in_Europe_-_poverty_and_social_exclusion
[16:05]	TR Bot	 Living conditions in Europe - poverty and social exclusion - Statistics Explained - Eurostat
[16:06]	andy	I didn;t see many homeless people in Helsinki, not like London 
[16:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	bulgaria worst
[16:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	but the standards vary
[16:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	what means "poverty"
[16:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	 Finland (16.8%
[16:06]	Sompi	schestowitz[TR2]: In Finland the wealth differences between generations are ridiculously high. An average young adult (less than 35 years old) owns only their home furniture, but an average boomer has wealth of many 0,1 M's
[16:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Europes-Poverty-Rates_Site.jpg
[16:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	even poland fares better than finland as of last year
[16:08]	Sompi	I know
[16:08]	andy	poverty to me is about economic opportunity, we have very little of that in the UK
[16:08]	Sompi	And for young adults there is nothing to do
[16:08]	Sompi	No opportunities
[16:08]	andy	exactly
[16:08]	andy	even with a pile of money you're screwed because theres nothing to do with it except eat burgers and watch shit TV
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[16:09]	Sompi	You can't even start your own business because everything needs some permits and compliances
[16:09]	Sompi	And nothing is profitable anyway because the basic costs of all materials and energy is so high
[16:09]	andy	that's also happening in UK, Running a business has too many overheads
[16:09]	Sompi	Even diesel is 3 /l
[16:09]	andy	so nobody can be bothered to start
[16:09]	andy	all the promised government schemes come to nought
[16:10]	andy	its all just there to feed captital
[16:10]	andy	getting young people motivated is uphill work
[16:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	<andy> all the promised government schemes come to nought
[16:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	academia also
[16:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	i have a story about a grant that was promised to me when i finished my phd
[16:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	then next came tyo fruition
[16:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	false promise, they cancelled that program for everyone
[16:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	then expected people to apply for some grant someplace 
[16:11]	andy	sounds typical of a culture of broken promises
[16:11]	Sompi	And we get more and more those mandated compliances, and it is always "for safety" or "for the environment"
[16:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	one of those jobs where  yuou are expected to find third parties to fund the salaries
[16:12]	andy	gottago ttyall l8r 
[16:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	as the employer oes not wish to chip in
[16:12]		*andy (~andy@tybmx63w3qi8g.irc) has left #techrights
[16:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	so you choose sugar daddies to sell out to
[16:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	in short
[16:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	departments used to pay salaries
[16:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	for teaching and research
[16:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	for the country and institutions
[16:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	they changed over to:
[16:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	find sponsors
[16:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	for us to be some propaganda mill
[16:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	with "deliveerables"
[16:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	so thee uni owners make money
[16:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	without spending anything
[16:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	and while producing nothing of value
[16:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	the names of the instittuions remained
[16:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	the mission or missions did not
[16:21]	parsifal	<Sompi> .....A typical Finnish boomer is ridiculously stupid, I would estimate that their average IQ is at most 70 or less
[16:21]	parsifal	^This whole "boomer" thing is an oversimplification of the issue, especially since its being pushed by Gen Z on platforms like Twitch, Discord, and other such cesspools... 
[16:22]	parsifal	Not to mention that its highly debatable who is actually smarter or dumber -> Gen Z the first generation officially dubbed dumber than the last -> https://nypost.com/2026/02/07/us-news/gen-z-the-first-generation-officially-dubbed-dumber-than-the-last/
[16:22]	TR Bot	 Gen Z the first generation officially dubbed dumber than the last
[16:22]	parsifal	And yes, Im a boomer -> though not a Finnish one, still a boomer, for anyone whos interested ;)
[16:24]	Sompi	The problem with Finns is that the intelligence is mostly measured in the army, when the tested people are still quite young
[16:25]	Sompi	So the cognitive degradation that happens later in life goes unnoticed
[16:25]	Sompi	And in the end you have a million over 70 year olds who cannot even form coherent sentences but are, on a paper, still cognitively fully functional people
[16:28]	Sompi	And then we have an entire nation of people who have an average IQ of 98 in the statistics, but in reality the average is much lower because those older individuals are never tested again later in their lives
[16:29]	Sompi	And because of some environmental factors, that can currently only be speculated, Finns lose more of their cognitive abilities at old age than most other populations
[16:30]	Sompi	And it is becoming very easy to notice in so many things
[16:32]	parsifal	I wrote the above not to engage in arguments, but as a starting point and food for thought regarding the issue ;)
[16:32]	parsifal	Second, but no less important: a fool is a fool whether hes 7 or 70 -> anything else is just convenient waffle.
[16:32]	parsifal	Also -> Measuring intelligence in the army is... a joke... and I don't feel like going into detail to explain why.
[16:33]	TR News	Techrights Links 19/10/2026: Intense Protests in France and "Zelenskyy Says Russia Seeking Blackout In Ukraine" https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Links_19_10_2026_Intense_Protests_in_France_and_Zelenskyy_Says_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Links_19_10_2026_Intense_Protests_in_France_and_Zelenskyy_Says_.gmi 
[16:33]	TR Bot	 Techrights Links 19/10/2026: Intense Protests in France and "Zelenskyy Says Russia Seeking Blackout In Ukraine"
[16:34]	TR News	But it'll ditch Xbox https://hothardware.com/news/microsoft-job-post-hints-xbox-wont-ditch-game-discs-like-sony
[16:34]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Job Post Hints Xbox Won't Ditch Game Discs Like Sony In 2028
[16:43]	TR News	"To stay authentic to the spirit of ZIM, I think such a server would need to replace the current client-side search with a server lookup against a ZIM index. That feels idiomatic, though, and doesnt offend me like so much other server-side processing does. And it would make search available in the Gemini capsule." gemini://hans.gerwitz.com/gemlog/2026-10-18-smol-servers.gmi
[16:44]	TR News	"This year my partner and I have been invited to a friend's halloween party. I think this is the first time I've ever been to one! So it's the first excuse I've had to make a really good costume. And it's also my first halloween as an out transfem person." gemini://gbryant.co.uk/gemlog/2026-10-19_cloak.gmi
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[16:44]	TR News	"the sky is patchy; the sun bursts through like a shout, only to be muffled again by the rolling clouds that impose a misty quietness." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/2856
[16:45]	TR News	"I've rewritten my C++ (Arduino) Gemini server for the ESP32 microcontroller in Rust with the 'ESP-IDF v5.1.4' toolchain only and without the Arduino tools." gemini://redterminal.org/gemlog/2026-10-19-esp32-gemserv-rust_-_A_Gemini_server_in_Rust_for_the_ESP32_microcontroller.gmi
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[16:46]	TR News	"i took a few moments to read some of my old posts and fumbled around on gemini reading what a few other 'nauts had to offer." gemini://bbs.geminispace.org/u/dragfyre/48526
[16:47]	TR News	"Recently with some core changes happening to TLGS (the search engine I run on Gemini), deployment also moved from Ubuntu to OpenBSD -- for many reasons." gemini://gemini.clehaxze.tw/gemlog/2026/10-19-deploying-on-openbsd.gmi
[16:47]	TR News	"i'll probably want to start some sort of project again with the start of the new year - not really sure yet what, or how intensive." gemini://dogboy.smol.pub/limitinginternetweek11
[16:48]	TR News	"We have reached the "lawns" unit in the Master Gardener certification class I am taking, and I am only half joking when I say I should ask if I can skip this unit on religious grounds." gemini://drmollytov.smol.pub/2026-10-19
[16:49]	TR News	"This summer has been brutal, amongst others, I grow a fair number of cloud forest orchid species in a grow tent in my garage. This summer got hot in May and stayed hot until about a week ago." gemini://gemini.yunzi.co.uk/gemlog/2026-10-19-orchids-at-this-point.gmi
[16:49]	TR News	"Im a pianist. Its what I studied in uni, though its not what I do for a living. You can find some recordings of me playing classical pieces at the following link (the recordings are mostly well over a decade old, but anyway)." gemini://shizuka.space/glog/2026/10/18/00/page-turning/
[16:50]	TR News	"the past few weeks i've been trying to clean up my digital footprint. my ultimate goal is to be able to remove my github and google accounts with this exercise." gemini://xoc3.io/2026-10-18
[16:55]	TR News	Techrights Gemini Links 19/10/2026: Orchids, Reducing GAFAM Reliance, and Deploying on OpenBSD https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Gemini_Links_19_10_2026_Orchids_Reducing_GAFAM_Reliance_and_Dep.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Gemini_Links_19_10_2026_Orchids_Reducing_GAFAM_Reliance_and_Dep.gmi 
[16:55]	TR Bot	 Techrights Gemini Links 19/10/2026: Orchids, Reducing GAFAM Reliance, and Deploying on OpenBSD
[16:58]	TR News	In France, GNU/Linux grew from 5% top 6% in about a year https://radar.cloudflare.com/explorer?dataSet=http&groupBy=os&loc=FR&filters=deviceType%253DDESKTOP&dateRange=52w
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● Oct 19
[17:10]	TR News	Friday https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2026/10/19/friday/
[17:10]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Friday
[17:15]	TR News	Unrest in France https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2026/10/19/unrest-in-france/
[17:15]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Unrest in France
[17:17]	TR News	"The market is forward looking. While it would be a disaster if Q3 is another big miss, the market is looking to Q4, Q1, and beyond. With the current Z cycle pretty much over, it's hard to see where the growth will come from after this quarter. Hence the "announcements" to try and create buzz." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m52srysr
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[17:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m4g8pqtn#replies
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[17:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	"Please contact Jeron Kusters at Deloitte to voice concerns.
[17:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	The panel was utterly pointless. You are correct. Hemnath had no credible ground to stand on- he is not remotely close to an expert in this area and should have never been asked or invited. The rest simply rehashed bottlenecks an entire trillion-dollar industry has understood for years. In fact I am sure I saw the topic discussed in panel format five years back at ECTC or some other conference. So no originality. No solutions, no 
[17:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	actionable ideas, no leadership just stating the obvious. The irony is that even if someone had proposed a viable solution, nobody on that panel appeared capable of driving its implementation. It was a self-congratulatory look-at-me exercise in empty rhetoric by people who had no business positioning themselves as authorities on the subject. Patting each other on the back and enjoying the smell of each others farts."
[17:21]	TR News	"CLOUDERA Tech Company Barred From Green Card https://www.newsweek.com/tech-company-barred-from-green-card-filings-amid-h-1b-visa-crackdown-12583659 It's about time the government cracked down on the visa abuse perpetrated by the tech companies. Foreign visa holders are displacing US citizens." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m56cksk7#replies
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[17:21]	TR News	"ATS are glorified STU basically. They think they know their sh-t but they don't they push/bully CSA's to commit milestones they they know wont land at all to hit their targets. Id consider them a pilot fish of an Account Executive...or a cockroach but less useful. Currently a CSAM at MSFT." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1m4nq6sh1#replies
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[17:27]	TR News	Techrights 30 Years of KDE and "Project Banana" https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/30_Years_of_KDE_and_Project_Banana.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/30_Years_of_KDE_and_Project_Banana.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights 30 Years of KDE and "Project Banana"
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights Andy's Passing Thoughts on Media Dying, Not Reporting News (Even Critical News About Itself) https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Andy_s_Passing_Thoughts_on_Media_Dying_Not_Reporting_News_Even_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Andy_s_Passing_Thoughts_on_Media_Dying_Not_Reporting_News_Even_.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights Andy's Passing Thoughts on Media Dying, Not Reporting News (Even Critical News About Itself)
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights GAFAM LLMs Seem to be Causing Veteran, Experienced Linux Developers to Quit, Only to be Replaced With GAFAM Bots and Unaudited Slopfest 'Code' https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/GAFAM_LLMs_Seem_to_be_Causing_Veteran_Experienced_Linux_Develop.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/GAFAM_LLMs_Seem_to_be_Causing_Veteran_Experienced_Linux_Develop.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights GAFAM LLMs Seem to be Causing Veteran, Experienced Linux Developers to Quit, Only to be Replaced With GAFAM Bots and Unaudited Slopfest 'Code'
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights Gemini Links 16/10/2026: Metrovision, Smartwatches, and Rekindled Love for Geminispace https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Gemini_Links_16_10_2026_Metrovision_Smartwatches_and_Rekindled_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Gemini_Links_16_10_2026_Metrovision_Smartwatches_and_Rekindled_.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights Gemini Links 16/10/2026: Metrovision, Smartwatches, and Rekindled Love for Geminispace
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights Gemini Links 17/10/2026: Big Glowing Advertising Screens, Busy October, and Art https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Gemini_Links_17_10_2026_Big_Glowing_Advertising_Screens_Busy_Oc.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Gemini_Links_17_10_2026_Big_Glowing_Advertising_Screens_Busy_Oc.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights Gemini Links 17/10/2026: Big Glowing Advertising Screens, Busy October, and Art
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights GPL Was Right (About Hoarding, Now Automated With Plagiarism Blenders) https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/GPL_Was_Right_About_Hoarding_Now_Automated_With_Plagiarism_Blen.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/GPL_Was_Right_About_Hoarding_Now_Automated_With_Plagiarism_Blen.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights GPL Was Right (About Hoarding, Now Automated With Plagiarism Blenders)
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights Inevitable Things https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Inevitable_Things.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Inevitable_Things.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights Inevitable Things
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights Intercontinental Brigading - Part VI - Racism Against Blacks https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Intercontinental_Brigading_Part_VI_Racism_Against_Blacks.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Intercontinental_Brigading_Part_VI_Racism_Against_Blacks.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights Intercontinental Brigading - Part VI - Racism Against Blacks
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights IRC Proceedings: Friday, October 16, 2026 https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/IRC_Proceedings_Friday_October_16_2026.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/IRC_Proceedings_Friday_October_16_2026.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights IRC Proceedings: Friday, October 16, 2026
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights Links 17/10/2026: Europe Divorcing US President Putin (Kompromat), MElon and Kapo-berg ("Meta") Buying US Elections Again https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Links_17_10_2026_Europe_Divorcing_US_President_Putin_Kompromat_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Links_17_10_2026_Europe_Divorcing_US_President_Putin_Kompromat_.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights Links 17/10/2026: Europe Divorcing US President Putin (Kompromat), MElon and Kapo-berg ("Meta") Buying US Elections Again
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights Links 17/10/2026: "Why Math Dumped OpenAI", US Third Circuit Has Confirmed LLMs and Other Slop Constitute Plagiarism or Copyright Infringement https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Links_17_10_2026_Why_Math_Dumped_OpenAI_US_Third_Circuit_Has_Co.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Links_17_10_2026_Why_Math_Dumped_OpenAI_US_Third_Circuit_Has_Co.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights Links 17/10/2026: "Why Math Dumped OpenAI", US Third Circuit Has Confirmed LLMs and Other Slop Constitute Plagiarism or Copyright Infringement
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights Over at Tux Machines... https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Over_at_Tux_Machines.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Over_at_Tux_Machines.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights Over at Tux Machines...
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights Red Hat Silent Layoffs: October 1 Bluewashing, Then Leaving IBM Altogether https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Red_Hat_Silent_Layoffs_October_1_Bluewashing_Then_Leaving_IBM_A.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Red_Hat_Silent_Layoffs_October_1_Bluewashing_Then_Leaving_IBM_A.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights Red Hat Silent Layoffs: October 1 Bluewashing, Then Leaving IBM Altogether
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights Stallman Was Right About Torvalds https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Stallman_Was_Right_About_Torvalds.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Stallman_Was_Right_About_Torvalds.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights Stallman Was Right About Torvalds
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights The First Casualty: The Reputation of Linux Developers (and of Linux) https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/The_First_Casualty_The_Reputation_of_Linux_Developers_and_of_Li.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/The_First_Casualty_The_Reputation_of_Linux_Developers_and_of_Li.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights The First Casualty: The Reputation of Linux Developers (and of Linux)
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights The Torvalds-led Slopfest as a Reminder to Pursue Software Freedom, Not Plagiarism Endorsed (for Money) by 'Linux' Foundation https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/The_Torvalds_led_Slopfest_as_a_Reminder_to_Pursue_Software_Free.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/The_Torvalds_led_Slopfest_as_a_Reminder_to_Pursue_Software_Free.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights The Torvalds-led Slopfest as a Reminder to Pursue Software Freedom, Not Plagiarism Endorsed (for Money) by 'Linux' Foundation
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights Trillions of Dollars in Debt Are Not "Investment", More People Realise This Now https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Trillions_of_Dollars_in_Debt_Are_Not_Investment_More_People_Rea.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Trillions_of_Dollars_in_Debt_Are_Not_Investment_More_People_Rea.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights Trillions of Dollars in Debt Are Not "Investment", More People Realise This Now
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights Why We Never Got Back to IPFS https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Why_We_Never_Got_Back_to_IPFS.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Why_We_Never_Got_Back_to_IPFS.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights Why We Never Got Back to IPFS
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights "Assisted by NSA" and &quot;It's Just a Tool&quot; (So Fine!) https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Assisted_by_NSA_and_It_s_Just_a_Tool_So_Fine.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Assisted_by_NSA_and_It_s_Just_a_Tool_So_Fine.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights "Assisted by NSA" and "It's Just a Tool" (So Fine!)
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights Gemini Links 18/10/2026: Hobbies, RAM Prices, and Avoiding GAFAM https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Gemini_Links_18_10_2026_Hobbies_RAM_Prices_and_Avoiding_GAFAM.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Gemini_Links_18_10_2026_Hobbies_RAM_Prices_and_Avoiding_GAFAM.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights Gemini Links 18/10/2026: Hobbies, RAM Prices, and Avoiding GAFAM
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights Gemini Links 18/10/2026: Hospitals, Literature, Fixed IP Addresses, and Sunday Types https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Gemini_Links_18_10_2026_Hospitals_Literature_Fixed_IP_Addresses.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Gemini_Links_18_10_2026_Hospitals_Literature_Fixed_IP_Addresses.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights Gemini Links 18/10/2026: Hospitals, Literature, Fixed IP Addresses, and Sunday Types
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights Gemini Links 18/10/2026: Movies, Greenland, and Detectors of Slop Plagiarism https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Gemini_Links_18_10_2026_Movies_Greenland_and_Detectors_of_Slop_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Gemini_Links_18_10_2026_Movies_Greenland_and_Detectors_of_Slop_.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights Gemini Links 18/10/2026: Movies, Greenland, and Detectors of Slop Plagiarism
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights Intercontinental Brigading - Part VII - Weekend Abuse Reported to British Police (Rogue Actors Take No Breaks) https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Intercontinental_Brigading_Part_VII_Weekend_Abuse_Reported_to_B.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Intercontinental_Brigading_Part_VII_Weekend_Abuse_Reported_to_B.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights Intercontinental Brigading - Part VII - Weekend Abuse Reported to British Police (Rogue Actors Take No Breaks)
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights IRC Proceedings: Saturday, October 17, 2026 https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/IRC_Proceedings_Saturday_October_17_2026.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/IRC_Proceedings_Saturday_October_17_2026.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights IRC Proceedings: Saturday, October 17, 2026
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights Links 18/10/2026: Brazil Reduces Deforestation, Some 4-5 Gray's Inn Square Scandals in Insolvency Petition of Reform UK https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Links_18_10_2026_Brazil_Reduces_Deforestation_Some_4_5_Gray_s_I.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Links_18_10_2026_Brazil_Reduces_Deforestation_Some_4_5_Gray_s_I.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights Links 18/10/2026: Brazil Reduces Deforestation, Some 4-5 Gray's Inn Square Scandals in Insolvency Petition of Reform UK
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights Links 18/10/2026: TikTok Censors Criticism of MElon, "Trumps Latest Attempt to Be the King", and &quot;Big Tech Oligarchs Have a Terrible Plan for Humanity&quot; https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Links_18_10_2026_TikTok_Censors_Criticism_of_MElon_Trump_s_Late.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Links_18_10_2026_TikTok_Censors_Criticism_of_MElon_Trump_s_Late.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights Links 18/10/2026: TikTok Censors Criticism of MElon, "Trumps Latest Attempt to Be the King", and "Big Tech Oligarchs Have a Terrible Plan for Humanity"
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights Over at Tux Machines... https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Over_at_Tux_Machines.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Over_at_Tux_Machines.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights Over at Tux Machines...
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights Slop is "just a hobby, won't be big and professional like GNU." https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Slop_is_just_a_hobby_won_t_be_big_and_professional_like_GNU.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Slop_is_just_a_hobby_won_t_be_big_and_professional_like_GNU.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights Slop is "just a hobby, won't be big and professional like GNU."
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights UbuntuBuzz is LLM Slop https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/UbuntuBuzz_is_LLM_Slop.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/UbuntuBuzz_is_LLM_Slop.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights UbuntuBuzz is LLM Slop
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights Corrupt Media Benefits Corrupt Officials (the Case of IBM) https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Corrupt_Media_Benefits_Corrupt_Officials_the_Case_of_IBM.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Corrupt_Media_Benefits_Corrupt_Officials_the_Case_of_IBM.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights Corrupt Media Benefits Corrupt Officials (the Case of IBM)
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights Gemini Links 19/10/2026: ICEYE/SAR, Smol Servers, and Starting an Open Access Journal https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Gemini_Links_19_10_2026_ICEYE_SAR_Smol_Servers_and_Starting_an_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Gemini_Links_19_10_2026_ICEYE_SAR_Smol_Servers_and_Starting_an_.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights Gemini Links 19/10/2026: ICEYE/SAR, Smol Servers, and Starting an Open Access Journal
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights Gemini Links 19/10/2026: Orchids, Reducing GAFAM Reliance, and Deploying on OpenBSD https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Gemini_Links_19_10_2026_Orchids_Reducing_GAFAM_Reliance_and_Dep.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Gemini_Links_19_10_2026_Orchids_Reducing_GAFAM_Reliance_and_Dep.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights Gemini Links 19/10/2026: Orchids, Reducing GAFAM Reliance, and Deploying on OpenBSD
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights IBM CEO Boasts to the Media About "AI" Momentum While Sacking His Workers Who Worked On It https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/IBM_CEO_Boasts_to_the_Media_About_AI_Momentum_While_Sacking_His.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/IBM_CEO_Boasts_to_the_Media_About_AI_Momentum_While_Sacking_His.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights IBM CEO Boasts to the Media About "AI" Momentum While Sacking His Workers Who Worked On It
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights Intercontinental Brigading - Part VIII - How We Convinced British Police That the Americans Were Just Manipulating and Tricking Them at the Expense of British Taxpayers https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Intercontinental_Brigading_Part_VIII_How_We_Convinced_British_P.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Intercontinental_Brigading_Part_VIII_How_We_Convinced_British_P.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights Intercontinental Brigading - Part VIII - How We Convinced British Police That the Americans Were Just Manipulating and Tricking Them at the Expense of British Taxpayers
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights IRC Proceedings: Sunday, October 18, 2026 https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/IRC_Proceedings_Sunday_October_18_2026.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/IRC_Proceedings_Sunday_October_18_2026.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights IRC Proceedings: Sunday, October 18, 2026
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights Links 19/10/2026: Intense Protests in France and "Zelenskyy Says Russia Seeking Blackout In Ukraine" https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Links_19_10_2026_Intense_Protests_in_France_and_Zelenskyy_Says_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Links_19_10_2026_Intense_Protests_in_France_and_Zelenskyy_Says_.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights Links 19/10/2026: Intense Protests in France and "Zelenskyy Says Russia Seeking Blackout In Ukraine"
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights Links 19/10/2026: "Investors Disturbed by Anthropic's Financial Data" and &quot;The &quot;Dead Internet&quot; Is Here&quot; (Slop and Bots Running on Huge Debt) https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Links_19_10_2026_Investors_Disturbed_by_Anthropic_s_Financial_D.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Links_19_10_2026_Investors_Disturbed_by_Anthropic_s_Financial_D.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights Links 19/10/2026: "Investors Disturbed by Anthropic's Financial Data" and "The "Dead Internet" Is Here" (Slop and Bots Running on Huge Debt)
[17:27]	TR News	Techrights Over at Tux Machines... https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Over_at_Tux_Machines.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Over_at_Tux_Machines.gmi 
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights Over at Tux Machines...
[17:37]	TR News	Release: IPFire 2.29 Core 204
[17:38]	TR News	Distribution Release: ZEPHIX 9 https://zephix-linux.sourceforge.io/
[17:38]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://zephix-linux.sourceforge.io/ )
[17:40]	TR News	"What can you do with empty university buildings when there are no more professors? What useful code can you run on an NVIDIA GPU bought for pennies at a yard sale? What crops can you plant on the site of a dead data center?" https://cybershow.uk/content/home/home.html
[17:40]	TR Bot	 Home
[17:40]	TR News	After Linux: "What will Microsoft call the kernel when Torvalds is finally relieved of duty? What are the people going to call the Linux forks that will be our future?" https://cybershow.uk/content/home/home.html
[17:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	"
[17:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	I was link-checking this old article when I noticed that Wikipedia had entirely erased its entry on Olduvai theory. Explanatory articles remain on sites like Grokipedia, Everything Explained, Resilience.org, Even so, copies of the deleted Wikipedia article remain on some other sites. Perhaps the theory might also apply to projects like Wikipedia itself, having peaked some years ago and now in decline due to attrition and resource 
[17:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	competition (for good editors). What confidence can one have in an "encyclopedia" with such shifting sands?
[17:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	"
[17:42]	TR News	"Suddenly there's a lot of films we really want to see. We are actively seeking out cinemas that are going to screen them in order to support the film-makers (of course we will see them anyway by other digital means)."
[17:42]	TR News	"The Social Reckoning and NAZA seem typical of a slew of films that Big Tech fascists are quite desperate to suppress, including by economic warfare, violent threats and sabotage. We're entering a new era of cinema as power." https://cybershow.uk/content/home/home.html
[17:43]	TR News	"Last case activity: 19 Oct 2026" https://caseboard.io/cases/d2fe1130-b63b-4d0b-9461-c0f971992dc2 how much money spent by monkey Farage trying to tackle this 'debacle' (Corruption as a Poltiical Party)?
[17:43]	TR Bot	 Checking your browser - Caseboard
[17:58]	TR News	The Potential Reform UK Party Limited Insolvency (CR-2026-007405) Illuminates the Sordid State of British Media https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2026/10/19/the-potential-reform-uk-party-limited-insolvency-cr-2026-007405-illuminates-the-sordid-state-of-british-media/
[17:58]	TR Bot	Blog Archive The Potential Reform UK Party Limited Insolvency (CR-2026-007405) Illuminates the Sordid State of British Media
● Oct 19
[18:09]	TR News	This seems to be LLM slop https://danload.substack.com/p/free-as-in-freedom-the-open-source
[18:09]	TR Bot	 Free as in Freedom: The Open Source Story
[18:10]	TR News	"This essay has a companion: the Living Document edition at avatarcomputertech.com/free-as-in-freedom-gnu. That page is the reference version. It has a full-text search bar, filters that sort the 105 facts by era, a jump-to-fact box, a licence self-check, an expandable glossary, and prev/next navigation through every section."
[18:10]	TR News	"It is also where new versions land first. Read the essay here; keep the Living Document bookmarked for looking things up."
[18:10]	TR News	Seems like a slop recycling of the original
[18:27]	TR News	In Late October 2025 Spouse of Matthew Garrett Said He Had Them Raped and Broke Legs of Puppies, This Week Says He "Doesnt Know How to Use Computers or Power Tools" (He Studied Genetics, Not Computers) https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/In_Late_October_2025_Spouse_of_Matthew_Garrett_Said_He_Had_Them.shtml
[18:27]	TR Bot	 Techrights In Late October 2025 Spouse of Matthew Garrett Said He Had Them Raped and Broke Legs of Puppies, This Week Says He "Doesnt Know How to Use Computers or Power Tools" (He Studied Genetics, Not Computers)
[18:36]	TR News	Two Finns supplying Russia with missile tech worth tens of millions | Yle News | Yle https://yle.fi/a/74-20250514 Source: YLE | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//yle.fi/a/74-20250514 :/ all too common
[18:36]	TR Bot	 Two Finns supplying Russia with missile tech worth tens of millions | Yle News | Yle
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[19:11]	TR News	Techrights Media 'Blackout' About Microsoft-Danfoss Connection After Almost 1,000 Supermarkets in France Get Cracked, Huge Amount of Food Destroyed https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Media_Blackout_About_Microsoft_Danfoss_Connection_After_Almost_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Media_Blackout_About_Microsoft_Danfoss_Connection_After_Almost_.gmi 
[19:11]	TR Bot	 Techrights Media 'Blackout' About Microsoft-Danfoss Connection After Almost 1,000 Supermarkets in France Get Cracked, Huge Amount of Food Destroyed
[19:11]	TR News	Techrights Microsoft is Paying Many Workers to Leave the Company This Year, Just Don't Call it "Layoffs" https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Microsoft_is_Paying_Many_Workers_to_Leave_the_Company_This_Year.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Microsoft_is_Paying_Many_Workers_to_Leave_the_Company_This_Year.gmi 
[19:11]	TR Bot	 Techrights Microsoft is Paying Many Workers to Leave the Company This Year, Just Don't Call it "Layoffs"
[19:11]	TR News	Techrights Today The Register MS Published "SPONSORED POST" Paid for by the Communist Party of China, It Mentions &quot;AI&quot; 19 Times https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Today_The_Register_MS_Published_SPONSORED_POST_Paid_for_by_the_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Today_The_Register_MS_Published_SPONSORED_POST_Paid_for_by_the_.gmi 
[19:11]	TR Bot	 Techrights Today The Register MS Published "SPONSORED POST" Paid for by the Communist Party of China, It Mentions "AI" 19 Times
[19:12]	nobody	> German Chancellor F. Merz Blackrock Capital CEO welcomes Nvidia CEO Huang in Berlin to celebrate investments into german industry for broad deployment of AI
[19:13]	nobody	https://www.cringely.com/2026/05/29/the-nvidia-tax
[19:13]	TR Bot	NVIDIA Tax | I, Cringely
[19:14]	nobody	same thing, Nvidia pulling strings into business where it doesn't belong
[19:15]	nobody	industry flourished just fine without Nvidia for a millenia
[19:15]	nobody	too google search operated just fine without nvidia gpus
[19:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	google search is no more
[19:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's google slop
[19:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	plagiairism 
[19:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	done poorly
[19:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	plus some search results below
[19:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	as a token
[19:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	for people who stiiiill inists it is searcvh
[19:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	goolglebot is not  fort search
[19:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's for plagairism
[19:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	for slop
[19:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	"Overviews"
[19:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's basically a thieving bot
[19:17]	nobody	still, out of curiosity, it seems google could not operate their server farms _without_ nvidia anymore
[19:17]	nobody	with little to no benefit in return
[19:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	nvidia does not do this either
[19:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	nvidia still makes GPUs
[19:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	they sell them differently
[19:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	for games
[19:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	for shi-coins
[19:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	now "hey hi"
[19:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	nvidia is just a waste of energy
[19:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	many gatees
[19:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	high prices
[19:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	for polygons
[19:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	and  long chains for fake currencies
[19:18]	nobody	i'm opposed to idea this trillian $$$ entity gains influence where it doesn't belong
[19:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	now for poorly-made imitations
[19:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	soldd as "SUPERINTELLIGENCE"
[19:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	nobody: yes, i know
[19:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's a post-democratic world
[19:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	in EU as well
[19:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	in US for sure
[19:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	years ago
[19:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik
[19:19]	TR Bot	 Realpolitik - Wikipedia
[19:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	policies for and by GGAFAM
[19:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://itsfoss.com/news/eu-cloud-sovereignty-cada-cost-study/
[19:20]	TR Bot	 Big Tech Funded a 115 Billion Warning Against Europes Digital Independence
[19:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	new
[19:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	about:
[19:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://techrights.org/wiki/CCIA/
[19:20]	TR Bot	 CCIA
[19:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	they intevene in europe also
[19:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	CCIA
[19:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	not CIA
[19:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	but overlapping in some ways
[19:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	also "LF Europe"
[19:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's GAFAM
[19:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://opensource.org/blog/osi-joins-openforum-europe-and-the-open-knowledge-foundation-to-officially-launch-open-technology-research-initiative
[19:20]	TR Bot	 OSI Joins OpenForum Europe and the Open Knowledge Foundation to Officially Launch Open Technology Research Initiative Open Source Initiative
[19:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	OpenForum Europe=GAFAM
[19:20]	schestowitz[TR2]	see:
[19:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://techrights.org/o/2010/12/20/interpretations-of-eifv2/index.shtml
[19:21]	TR Bot	 FFII and OFE Respond to Publication of European Interoperability Framework (EIF) Version 2
[19:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://techrights.org/o/2013/05/20/ofe-book/index.shtml
[19:21]	TR Bot	 IBM-backed Book on 'Open Innovation'
[19:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://techrights.org/o/2021/01/31/openforum-europe-lf/index.shtml
[19:21]	TR Bot	 OpenForum Europe (IBM et al) and Linux Foundation Are Boosting and Cooperating With Enemies of Software Freedom
[19:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://techrights.org/o/2021/09/10/study-european-commission/index.shtml
[19:21]	TR Bot	 [Meme] 'Open Source' Study/Report From the European Commission Promotes Software Patents in Europe
[19:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's as real problem
[19:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	with real cul;prits
[19:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	and we need more people talking about it
[19:23]	nobody	reminds me of another personal issue
[19:23]	nobody	since i forked linux-tcc kernel for various reasons (bootstrapping, c-toolchain portability), i was talking to developers
[19:24]	nobody	EU does offer some funding, and there would be a could chance i could receive some if i filed a request until November 3rd
[19:24]		*ewig has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[19:24]	nobody	however, this funding would barely get me out of UBI whose restrictions conflict with EU funding for scientific project work
[19:25]	nobody	and any EU funding would jeopardise the little income, health insurance and appartment rent being paid i got currently
[19:26]	nobody	such funding is just too low to sustain a living, and it's a bit too much hence would be taxed and cut away by the city here
[19:26]	TR News	AEK Athens Tomorrow https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2026/10/19/aek-athens-tomorrow/
[19:26]	TR Bot	Blog Archive AEK Athens Tomorrow
[19:29]	admfubar	https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=26/10/18/2141251
[19:29]	TR Bot	 Spyware Vendors Found A Way To Make Targeted Ads Even Worse - SoylentNews
[19:29]	nobody	which would be a non-issue if some university where i applied autumn last year had agreed to some contracting
[19:30]	nobody	but they didn't (unaware i could have pulled strings into EU funding)
[19:30]	nobody	i had only presented them some project work and proposals to arrange for a university curriculum in software engineering and system integration
[19:30]	nobody	in return they merely asked for more documents _without_ contracting nor salary
[19:31]	nobody	now i'm deadlocked, again, with nothing
[19:31]	nobody	it's really depressing me, because this was the chance, to work towards a professor position and connecting to EU funding
[19:32]	nobody	together with connections to various universities world-wide and competent developers there sharing common interest
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[19:38]	TR News	Nigel Farages Racist Company (Disguised as Political Party) Thats Secretly Funded by American Oligarchs Spent $49,300 to Not Go Bankrupt https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2026/10/19/nigel-farages-racist-company-disguised-as-political-party-thats-secretly-funded-by-american-oligarchs-spent-49300-to-not-go-bankrupt/
[19:38]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Nigel Farages Racist Company (Disguised as Political Party) Thats Secretly Funded by American Oligarchs Spent $49,300 to Not Go Bankrupt
[19:48]	admfubar	https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/oct/19/housing-crisis-global-democracy-nations-financial-sector
[19:48]	TR Bot	 The housing crisis is now global. It shows just how undemocratic our nations have become | Leilani Farha | The Guardian
[19:49]	TR News	Techrights 30 Years of KDE and "Project Banana" https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/30_Years_of_KDE_and_Project_Banana.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/30_Years_of_KDE_and_Project_Banana.gmi 
[19:49]	TR Bot	 Techrights 30 Years of KDE and "Project Banana"
[19:50]	TR News	Techrights Andy's Passing Thoughts on Media Dying, Not Reporting News (Even Critical News About Itself) https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Andy_s_Passing_Thoughts_on_Media_Dying_Not_Reporting_News_Even_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Andy_s_Passing_Thoughts_on_Media_Dying_Not_Reporting_News_Even_.gmi 
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Techrights Andy's Passing Thoughts on Media Dying, Not Reporting News (Even Critical News About Itself)
[19:50]	TR News	Techrights GAFAM LLMs Seem to be Causing Veteran, Experienced Linux Developers to Quit, Only to be Replaced With GAFAM Bots and Unaudited Slopfest 'Code' https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/GAFAM_LLMs_Seem_to_be_Causing_Veteran_Experienced_Linux_Develop.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/GAFAM_LLMs_Seem_to_be_Causing_Veteran_Experienced_Linux_Develop.gmi 
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Techrights GAFAM LLMs Seem to be Causing Veteran, Experienced Linux Developers to Quit, Only to be Replaced With GAFAM Bots and Unaudited Slopfest 'Code'
[19:50]	TR News	Techrights Gemini Links 17/10/2026: Big Glowing Advertising Screens, Busy October, and Art https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Gemini_Links_17_10_2026_Big_Glowing_Advertising_Screens_Busy_Oc.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Gemini_Links_17_10_2026_Big_Glowing_Advertising_Screens_Busy_Oc.gmi 
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Techrights Gemini Links 17/10/2026: Big Glowing Advertising Screens, Busy October, and Art
[19:50]	TR News	Techrights GPL Was Right (About Hoarding, Now Automated With Plagiarism Blenders) https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/GPL_Was_Right_About_Hoarding_Now_Automated_With_Plagiarism_Blen.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/GPL_Was_Right_About_Hoarding_Now_Automated_With_Plagiarism_Blen.gmi 
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Techrights GPL Was Right (About Hoarding, Now Automated With Plagiarism Blenders)
[19:50]	TR News	Techrights Inevitable Things https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Inevitable_Things.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Inevitable_Things.gmi 
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Techrights Inevitable Things
[19:50]	TR News	Techrights Intercontinental Brigading - Part VI - Racism Against Blacks https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Intercontinental_Brigading_Part_VI_Racism_Against_Blacks.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Intercontinental_Brigading_Part_VI_Racism_Against_Blacks.gmi 
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Techrights Intercontinental Brigading - Part VI - Racism Against Blacks
[19:50]	TR News	Techrights Links 17/10/2026: Europe Divorcing US President Putin (Kompromat), MElon and Kapo-berg ("Meta") Buying US Elections Again https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Links_17_10_2026_Europe_Divorcing_US_President_Putin_Kompromat_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Links_17_10_2026_Europe_Divorcing_US_President_Putin_Kompromat_.gmi 
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Techrights Links 17/10/2026: Europe Divorcing US President Putin (Kompromat), MElon and Kapo-berg ("Meta") Buying US Elections Again
[19:50]	TR News	Techrights Links 17/10/2026: "Why Math Dumped OpenAI", US Third Circuit Has Confirmed LLMs and Other Slop Constitute Plagiarism or Copyright Infringement https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Links_17_10_2026_Why_Math_Dumped_OpenAI_US_Third_Circuit_Has_Co.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Links_17_10_2026_Why_Math_Dumped_OpenAI_US_Third_Circuit_Has_Co.gmi 
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Techrights Links 17/10/2026: "Why Math Dumped OpenAI", US Third Circuit Has Confirmed LLMs and Other Slop Constitute Plagiarism or Copyright Infringement
[19:50]	TR News	Techrights Stallman Was Right About Torvalds https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Stallman_Was_Right_About_Torvalds.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Stallman_Was_Right_About_Torvalds.gmi 
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Techrights Stallman Was Right About Torvalds
[19:50]	TR News	Techrights The First Casualty: The Reputation of Linux Developers (and of Linux) https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/The_First_Casualty_The_Reputation_of_Linux_Developers_and_of_Li.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/The_First_Casualty_The_Reputation_of_Linux_Developers_and_of_Li.gmi 
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Techrights The First Casualty: The Reputation of Linux Developers (and of Linux)
[19:50]	TR News	Techrights The Torvalds-led Slopfest as a Reminder to Pursue Software Freedom, Not Plagiarism Endorsed (for Money) by 'Linux' Foundation https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/The_Torvalds_led_Slopfest_as_a_Reminder_to_Pursue_Software_Free.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/The_Torvalds_led_Slopfest_as_a_Reminder_to_Pursue_Software_Free.gmi 
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Techrights The Torvalds-led Slopfest as a Reminder to Pursue Software Freedom, Not Plagiarism Endorsed (for Money) by 'Linux' Foundation
[19:50]	TR News	Techrights Trillions of Dollars in Debt Are Not "Investment", More People Realise This Now https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Trillions_of_Dollars_in_Debt_Are_Not_Investment_More_People_Rea.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Trillions_of_Dollars_in_Debt_Are_Not_Investment_More_People_Rea.gmi 
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Techrights Trillions of Dollars in Debt Are Not "Investment", More People Realise This Now
[19:50]	TR News	Techrights Why We Never Got Back to IPFS https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Why_We_Never_Got_Back_to_IPFS.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/17/Why_We_Never_Got_Back_to_IPFS.gmi 
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Techrights Why We Never Got Back to IPFS
[19:50]	TR News	Techrights "Assisted by NSA" and &quot;It's Just a Tool&quot; (So Fine!) https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Assisted_by_NSA_and_It_s_Just_a_Tool_So_Fine.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Assisted_by_NSA_and_It_s_Just_a_Tool_So_Fine.gmi 
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Techrights "Assisted by NSA" and "It's Just a Tool" (So Fine!)
[19:50]	TR News	Techrights Gemini Links 18/10/2026: Hobbies, RAM Prices, and Avoiding GAFAM https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Gemini_Links_18_10_2026_Hobbies_RAM_Prices_and_Avoiding_GAFAM.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Gemini_Links_18_10_2026_Hobbies_RAM_Prices_and_Avoiding_GAFAM.gmi 
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Techrights Gemini Links 18/10/2026: Hobbies, RAM Prices, and Avoiding GAFAM
[19:50]	TR News	Techrights Gemini Links 18/10/2026: Hospitals, Literature, Fixed IP Addresses, and Sunday Types https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Gemini_Links_18_10_2026_Hospitals_Literature_Fixed_IP_Addresses.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Gemini_Links_18_10_2026_Hospitals_Literature_Fixed_IP_Addresses.gmi 
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Techrights Gemini Links 18/10/2026: Hospitals, Literature, Fixed IP Addresses, and Sunday Types
[19:50]	TR News	Techrights Gemini Links 18/10/2026: Movies, Greenland, and Detectors of Slop Plagiarism https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Gemini_Links_18_10_2026_Movies_Greenland_and_Detectors_of_Slop_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Gemini_Links_18_10_2026_Movies_Greenland_and_Detectors_of_Slop_.gmi 
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Techrights Gemini Links 18/10/2026: Movies, Greenland, and Detectors of Slop Plagiarism
[19:50]	TR News	Techrights Intercontinental Brigading - Part VII - Weekend Abuse Reported to British Police (Rogue Actors Take No Breaks) https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Intercontinental_Brigading_Part_VII_Weekend_Abuse_Reported_to_B.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Intercontinental_Brigading_Part_VII_Weekend_Abuse_Reported_to_B.gmi 
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Techrights Intercontinental Brigading - Part VII - Weekend Abuse Reported to British Police (Rogue Actors Take No Breaks)
[19:50]	TR News	Techrights IRC Proceedings: Saturday, October 17, 2026 https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/IRC_Proceedings_Saturday_October_17_2026.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/IRC_Proceedings_Saturday_October_17_2026.gmi 
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Techrights IRC Proceedings: Saturday, October 17, 2026
[19:50]	TR News	Techrights Links 18/10/2026: Brazil Reduces Deforestation, Some 4-5 Gray's Inn Square Scandals in Insolvency Petition of Reform UK https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Links_18_10_2026_Brazil_Reduces_Deforestation_Some_4_5_Gray_s_I.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Links_18_10_2026_Brazil_Reduces_Deforestation_Some_4_5_Gray_s_I.gmi 
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Techrights Links 18/10/2026: Brazil Reduces Deforestation, Some 4-5 Gray's Inn Square Scandals in Insolvency Petition of Reform UK
[19:50]	TR News	Techrights Links 18/10/2026: TikTok Censors Criticism of MElon, "Trumps Latest Attempt to Be the King", and &quot;Big Tech Oligarchs Have a Terrible Plan for Humanity&quot; https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Links_18_10_2026_TikTok_Censors_Criticism_of_MElon_Trump_s_Late.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Links_18_10_2026_TikTok_Censors_Criticism_of_MElon_Trump_s_Late.gmi 
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Techrights Links 18/10/2026: TikTok Censors Criticism of MElon, "Trumps Latest Attempt to Be the King", and "Big Tech Oligarchs Have a Terrible Plan for Humanity"
[19:50]	TR News	Techrights Over at Tux Machines... https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Over_at_Tux_Machines.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Over_at_Tux_Machines.gmi 
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Techrights Over at Tux Machines...
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[19:50]	TR News	Techrights Slop is "just a hobby, won't be big and professional like GNU." https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Slop_is_just_a_hobby_won_t_be_big_and_professional_like_GNU.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/Slop_is_just_a_hobby_won_t_be_big_and_professional_like_GNU.gmi 
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Techrights Slop is "just a hobby, won't be big and professional like GNU."
[19:50]	TR News	Techrights UbuntuBuzz is LLM Slop https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/UbuntuBuzz_is_LLM_Slop.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/18/UbuntuBuzz_is_LLM_Slop.gmi 
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Techrights UbuntuBuzz is LLM Slop
[19:50]	TR News	Techrights Corrupt Media Benefits Corrupt Officials (the Case of IBM) https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Corrupt_Media_Benefits_Corrupt_Officials_the_Case_of_IBM.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Corrupt_Media_Benefits_Corrupt_Officials_the_Case_of_IBM.gmi 
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Techrights Corrupt Media Benefits Corrupt Officials (the Case of IBM)
[19:50]	TR News	Techrights Gemini Links 19/10/2026: ICEYE/SAR, Smol Servers, and Starting an Open Access Journal https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Gemini_Links_19_10_2026_ICEYE_SAR_Smol_Servers_and_Starting_an_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Gemini_Links_19_10_2026_ICEYE_SAR_Smol_Servers_and_Starting_an_.gmi 
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Techrights Gemini Links 19/10/2026: ICEYE/SAR, Smol Servers, and Starting an Open Access Journal
[19:50]	TR News	Techrights Gemini Links 19/10/2026: Orchids, Reducing GAFAM Reliance, and Deploying on OpenBSD https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Gemini_Links_19_10_2026_Orchids_Reducing_GAFAM_Reliance_and_Dep.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/Gemini_Links_19_10_2026_Orchids_Reducing_GAFAM_Reliance_and_Dep.gmi 
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Techrights Gemini Links 19/10/2026: Orchids, Reducing GAFAM Reliance, and Deploying on OpenBSD
[19:50]	TR News	Techrights IBM CEO Boasts to the Media About "AI" Momentum While Sacking His Workers Who Worked On It https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/IBM_CEO_Boasts_to_the_Media_About_AI_Momentum_While_Sacking_His.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2026/10/19/IBM_CEO_Boasts_to_the_Media_About_AI_Momentum_While_Sacking_His.gmi 
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Techrights IBM CEO Boasts to the Media About "AI" Momentum While Sacking His Workers Who Worked On It
[19:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	network glitch again, disabling the program for now
[19:51]	IsambardPrince	I finally got to a can of fresh coffee.
[19:52]	IsambardPrince	A lot of what I had went stale on the shelf while I was recovering from surgery.
[19:52]	TR News	Puppybreaker says "Daniel Pocock apparently failed to turn up for his hearing against Reform UK". Funny that! Puppybreaker NEVER showed up for ANY hearings. Nor did his women-strangling quasi-necrophile buddy. http://techrights.org/n/2026/06/20/SLAPP_Censorship_Part_112_Out_of_200_Strangles_Women_Then_Refus.shtml
[19:52]	TR Bot	 Techrights SLAPP Censorship - Part 112 Out of 200: Strangles Women, Then Refuses to Even Attend Any of His Own Hearings About It
[19:53]	TR News	So he seems to have a poor taste in words, accusing people of not attending hearings when he himself never did either. Never throw stones in house of Windows.
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[19:57]	IsambardPrince	schestowitz[TR2], This is better, but it is not what I recall Folgers Colombian tasting like, even ten years ago.
[19:57]	IsambardPrince	Out of a freshly opened can with over a year left on it.
[19:57]	IsambardPrince	It tastes weaker than it used to. Less complex.
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[20:00]	TR News	Got EPO leaks to publish tonight
[20:01]	TR News	EPO strikes will carry on next year. We'll also pursue the Court of Appeal next year https://www.judiciary.uk/courts-and-tribunals/court-of-appeal-home/
[20:01]	TR Bot	 Court of Appeal - Courts and Tribunals Judiciary
[20:12]	IsambardPrince	https://www.phoronix.com/news/MeshXFS-XFS-Clustered
[20:13]	TR Bot	AI Adapts XFS Into A Clustered File-System - Phoronix
[20:13]	IsambardPrince	schestowitz[TR2], This would be a bad idea to put into a production environment.
[20:13]	IsambardPrince	Over the last few decades I have personally ran into so many issues with the in-tree XFS driver and it was not previously encountered by the maintainers who have been working on it since it was put into production in the 90s.
[20:15]	IsambardPrince	With this "AI vibe coded driver" it's like 100,000 lines larger than the in-tree driver, and it's also taken all the in-tree code and modified that too. So you don't actually even know what the core file system code is doing anymore.
[20:15]	IsambardPrince	Because you don't know where these "AI" agents have touched and modified something important that was that way because you have file system corruption otherwise.
[20:16]	IsambardPrince	I've talked to Eric Sandeen about other implementations of XFS before, ones that were at least written by humans.
[20:16]	IsambardPrince	And also how it interacts with bootloaders.
[20:17]	IsambardPrince	I recall two conversations in particular, one where a consultant had ported XFS to Windows as an Installable File System driver.
[20:17]	IsambardPrince	I asked him to glance at it.
[20:17]	IsambardPrince	He said, at the time, that it was based on a snapshot of XFS that was several years old and therefore it had many bugs that were since fixed in the Linux kernel version that could cause data loss.
[20:18]	IsambardPrince	He said that it was probably not a GPL violation because the way the installable file systems work on Windows is that it runs in userspace, with massive performance penalties, like FUSE.
[20:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	IsambardPrince: see this from andy
[20:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	from today:
[20:19]	IsambardPrince	But then I asked why Fedora, at the time, did not support installing on XFS as the filesystem root, and he said that they did Anaconda that way on purpose.
[20:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	<techrights-news> After Linux: "What will Microsoft call the kernel when Torvalds is finally relieved of duty? What are the people going to call the Linux forks that will be our future?" https://cybershow.uk/content/home/home.html
[20:19]	TR Bot	 Home
[20:20]	IsambardPrince	Although Grub Legacy supported XFS, they found that it would subtly corrupt the file system sometimes, so the only supported way to use it on Fedora at that point was to have / on Ext3 or Ext4 including /boot.
[20:20]	IsambardPrince	You could have anything else you wanted on XFS, but not that.
[20:21]	IsambardPrince	He said something to the effect of "And for that matter, we've caught hundreds of cases where GRUB corrupts Ext3, so we're trying to keep our support tickets down to where we can actually support the use case most people will be using."
[20:21]	IsambardPrince	That's perfectly reasonable I guess.
[20:22]	IsambardPrince	Just because I never ran into any "corrupts the entire file system" problem with GRUB Legacy and XFS on Mandriva or Ubuntu doesn't mean that someone running it at enterprise scale didn't.
[20:22]	IsambardPrince	schestowitz[TR2], delaylog was my idea though initially.
[20:23]	IsambardPrince	They actually wrote the code and merged it because I complained that XFS was painfully slow when deleting a lot of small files.
[20:23]	IsambardPrince	I asked why couldn't it just batch a lot of them together and commit it at the next regular journal update.
[20:24]	IsambardPrince	Those regular updates happen a lot anyway when there's been activity so the potential risk window is relatively small.
[20:28]	IsambardPrince	<schestowitz[TR2]> <techrights-news> After Linux: "What will Microsoft call the kernel when Torvalds is finally relieved of duty? What are the people going to call the Linux forks that will be our future?" https://cybershow.uk/content/home/home.html
[20:28]	IsambardPrince	-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- cybershow.uk | Home
[20:28]	IsambardPrince	schestowitz[TR2], Linus is not maintaining it very well.
[20:28]	IsambardPrince	His attitude about slop code is just throw it in there.
[20:29]	IsambardPrince	Don't even mark it.
[20:29]	IsambardPrince	If companies like Google and Microsoft write bots that provide patch feedback, we'll ignore your patch until you address bot complaints, even if they don't make sense.
[20:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's not him talking
[20:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	his mouth moves
[20:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	the decisions are made by LF
[20:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	and LF is GAFAM et al
[20:29]	IsambardPrince	Slop coding works if you set up the prompts right!
[20:29]	IsambardPrince	Everyone else: So what prompts are you using to set it up right?
[20:30]	IsambardPrince	Linus: I'm not going to tell you that. If you disagree with me, fork it.
[20:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's like with lump and putin
[20:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's like this
[20:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	win-win
[20:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	micorosft
[20:30]	IsambardPrince	The port of Linux to the Mac is going to go straight off the edge at some point in the near future.
[20:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	we make linus do something stupid
[20:30]	IsambardPrince	They're "vibe coding" to get hardware working.
[20:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	it he does it, he can be canceled
[20:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	wer take over
[20:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	if not canceled, linux is ruined by gpl violations
[20:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	and sloppy bugs
[20:31]	IsambardPrince	But then all of the Apple Silicon code will be millions of lines that no human understands because it wasn't written by humans.
[20:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	for putin?:
[20:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	if trump wins after surrendering to russia, fine
[20:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	because we won
[20:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	if he is impeached
[20:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	due to surrendering to russia
[20:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	then fine
[20:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	we caused an impeachment and unrest
[20:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	similar win-win
[20:32]	IsambardPrince	The courts have not really had time to make any case law about whether slop code can be put under your preferred license.
[20:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	it cannot be coipyrighted
[20:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	see:
[20:32]	IsambardPrince	All the examples the "AI agents" based it on are stolen from other people, under various licenses.
[20:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://techrights.org/n/2026/10/11/Slop_ware_Is_Not_Newsworthy.shtml
[20:32]	TR Bot	 Techrights Slop-ware Is Not Newsworthy
[20:32]	IsambardPrince	And the machine transformed it with that as a reference.
[20:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's not FOSS
[20:32]	IsambardPrince	And you did not write any of it, therefore cannot decide what the license is.
[20:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	FOSS is not slop
[20:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	and slop is not FOSS
[20:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	slop is slop
[20:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	and Linux is:
[20:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/n/2026/09/23/Linux_Kernel_Becoming_a_Slopfest_Part_8_In_Conclusion.shtml
[20:33]	TR Bot	 Techrights Linux Kernel Becoming a Slopfest - Part 8 - In Conclusion
[20:33]	IsambardPrince	The only way you might be safe is if the only code the "AI" was trained on was under a simple permissive license.
[20:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	they pur out flour into a nice soupo
[20:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	it won't taste nice anymore
[20:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	*&pour
[20:33]	IsambardPrince	But companies have thrown copyleft and even proprietary software into the plagiarism blender.
[20:34]	IsambardPrince	This is exactly comparable to the accusations that ReactOS has been plagued with for years.
[20:34]	IsambardPrince	That someone simply decompiled a Windows library and used direct knowledge of it to implement a library for ReactOS.
[20:34]	IsambardPrince	Only it's much worse.
[20:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's SCO like
[20:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	covered in:
[20:34]	IsambardPrince	Because the "AI" has been trained on millions of programs under all sorts of licenses.
[20:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://techrights.org/n/2026/09/20/Linux_Kernel_Becoming_a_Slopfest_Part_5_Kernel_Dependency_on_Pl.shtml
[20:35]	TR Bot	 Techrights Linux Kernel Becoming a Slopfest - Part 5 - Kernel Dependency on Plagiarism Giant Microsoft is a Death Blow to Any Kernel
[20:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	""Microsoft sponsored - as shown later - Darl McBride's SCO to attack Linux (or companies that supported and/or distributed Linux) with lawsuits over copyrights; now Microsoft is bringing copyright-infringing slop into Linux
[20:35]	IsambardPrince	Microsoft, Google, and Apple are banking on this, same thing they always bank on.
[20:35]	IsambardPrince	Hurry up and do a bunch of illegal shit.
[20:35]	IsambardPrince	Settle the lawsuits for pennies.
[20:35]	IsambardPrince	Still cheaper than payroll.
[20:35]	IsambardPrince	That's not the calculation that Linux or other FOSS can make.
[20:37]	IsambardPrince	Anthropic settled a class action lawsuit for violating the copyright of many books.
[20:37]	IsambardPrince	That ends their liability for those particular books.
[20:38]	IsambardPrince	If you make an infringing work using Anthropic's "AI" models, that doesn't cover your liability if a derivative of those works ends up in something you publish.
[20:39]	TR News	Some idiot said: "I assume Techrights is outraged, outraged by someone not showing up in person for their court date" ... that was said to Puppybreaker, who NEVER shows up for hearings!
[20:39]	TR News	So this is backfiring badly already (on hypocritical puppybreaker)
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[20:40]	IsambardPrince	schestowitz[TR2], The scumbags and weirdos always project what they are onto you.
[20:41]	IsambardPrince	When Brandon Lobster said "What are you doing to that cat, you pervert." that tells you what he is.
[20:41]	IsambardPrince	A degenerate sex pest that probably has deviate perversions regarding animals.
[20:41]	IsambardPrince	Nobody who isn't a degenerate sex pest would go on libera chat and say they have orgasms after their vaginaplasty by stimulating the prostate.
[20:42]	IsambardPrince	Removing the genitals doesn't fix a messed up brain.
[20:43]	IsambardPrince	For a while, Louisiana was offering parole to child molesters, but only if they would agree to be irreversibly sterilized.
[20:43]	IsambardPrince	But as we've seen with the Lobster, you can't even count on that to keep them away from children.
[20:43]	IsambardPrince	The sick fantasies live in the brain.
[20:43]	IsambardPrince	And that sick brain will probably figure out how to accomplish "something" even without the standart equipment.
[20:44]	IsambardPrince	*standard
[20:46]	IsambardPrince	Sex offenses, especially those involving violence, power, control, or pedophilic disorder, are driven by psychological factors, power dynamics, and cognition rather than purely biological sex drive. Consequently, biological suppression alone does not eliminate non-sexual motives for violence, nor does it replace the necessity of comprehensive psychiatric and behavioral rehabilitation.
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[20:46]	IsambardPrince	I really hope that Brandon Lobster gets sentenced to MRT someday. What are we, if we don't at least try?
[20:47]	IsambardPrince	The framework operates on the premise that anti-social or criminal behavior stems from "stunted" moral development or self-serving cognitive distortions. The therapy aims to guide participants toward higher-level moral reasoning, accountability, distress tolerance, and prosocial behavior.
[20:47]	IsambardPrince	It's commonly used in probation and parole for high level offenders.
[20:47]	IsambardPrince	Like everything else they've tried, it's rarely successful but sometimes helps.
[20:48]	IsambardPrince	If anyone figured out some fantastic way of dealing with people like this, and their Anti-Social Personality Disorder, the world would be a much different place.
[20:49]	IsambardPrince	Instead, they've figured out how to wrap ASPD into things that are politically untouchable.
[20:49]	IsambardPrince	Like the transgender mental illness.
[20:50]	IsambardPrince	Then the CoC takes care of disposing of normal people from places like online communities.
[20:50]	IsambardPrince	Or hate speech laws in countries without Freedom.
[20:50]	IsambardPrince	Like Canada or the UK
[20:50]	IsambardPrince	Most of the English Speaking World has no concept of Personal Liberty.
[20:50]	IsambardPrince	Or only a vague or primitive concept.
[20:51]	IsambardPrince	Like things got so intolerable that they made progress.....against a king......progress by the standards of the 17th century.
[20:52]	IsambardPrince	Lobster has an entire blog where he celebrates the Canadian Fascists basically making it a crime to go to church.
[20:52]	IsambardPrince	Because if the pastor says anything, he gets arrested now.
[20:53]	IsambardPrince	Transgender issues have nothing to do with gay rights.
[20:53]	IsambardPrince	The gay rights movement happened because of constant, actual, oppression.
[20:53]	IsambardPrince	Over hundreds of years.
[20:54]	IsambardPrince	Which included being beaten up by the police for congregating at a bar, put in prison for having sex with other consenting adults (the US police in many states even wasted public resources on "sting operations", and being gassed to death in Nazi Holocaust Camps.
[20:56]	IsambardPrince	Gay and Lesbian people in Nazi Germany were persecuted and murdered because of nearly the same reason everyone else they murdered was. Not because it made sense, but because the regime put hatred above the survival of the state.
[20:57]	IsambardPrince	For starters, those Holocaust camps were murdering people who could have otherwise added millions of soldiers to the war effort.
[20:57]	IsambardPrince	I think that the Nazi Party could have come to power without that, honestly.
[20:57]	IsambardPrince	The public was already seething about high unemployment, high inflation, the WWI allies bleeding their economy dry.
[20:58]	IsambardPrince	But you look at the Nazi Penal Code in 1935.
[20:59]	IsambardPrince	They arrested over 100,000 men for homosexuality, many of which there was no proof that they were even gay. Someone who didn't like them made a sworn statement to the police. That's all it took.
[20:59]	IsambardPrince	So instead of 100,000 potential soldiers, they just killed them on a hunch.
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[21:01]	IsambardPrince	Lobster has serious head problems if he's accusing a gay man who knows all about the Nazis, of being a Nazi.
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[21:02]	IsambardPrince	It reflects what political philosopher Leo Strauss termed Reductio ad Hitlerum. An informal fallacy where an argument, person, or position is dismissed simply by comparing them to Adolf Hitler or National Socialism.
[21:03]	IsambardPrince	MinceR asked "Aren't the Libertarians basically Republicans?" No they are not. They are definitely not.
[21:03]	IsambardPrince	They're fiscally conservative and socially liberal.
[21:03]	IsambardPrince	The Republicans are neither.
[21:04]	IsambardPrince	We're running the worst deficits of US history under Trump.
[21:04]	IsambardPrince	The Libertarians want to reduce that deficit to zero and pay off debt.
[21:04]	MinceR	the "republicans" aren't even republican
[21:05]	IsambardPrince	Trump is trying to culturally erase gays and lesbians, and write revisionist history, and shred the Constitution. He hates immigrants and is setting up concentration camps and the secret police that fill them.
[21:06]	IsambardPrince	The Libertarians believe in relatively free immigration benefits (make sure they're not a criminal then they are allowed in), and support gay marriage since 1972.
[21:06]	IsambardPrince	Trump is fucking up the middle east by an unimaginable amount, even by the standards of the middle east.
[21:06]	IsambardPrince	He's screwing around with illegal kidnappings of leaders of sovereign nations.
[21:07]	IsambardPrince	And causing hyperinflation with trade wars and ruinous tariffs.
[21:07]	IsambardPrince	The Libertarians want non-intervention as the foreign policy and they despise inflation and trade wars.
[21:08]	IsambardPrince	I voted for the Democrats for all of the state and federal offices this year, but for the local ones I voted for the Libertarian Party.
[21:08]	MinceR	the "republicans" also claimed that they don't want any wars
[21:08]	MinceR	and then they attacked iran.
[21:10]	IsambardPrince	You know they're lying because they're Republicans.
[21:10]	IsambardPrince	George W. Bush said he didn't want new wars and to waste money on them.
[21:10]	IsambardPrince	We got two wars that cost over $10 trillion counting interest.
[21:12]	IsambardPrince	We had 8 years under Bill Clinton where there were no wars.
[21:12]	IsambardPrince	There were some interventions, as part of a UN peacekeeping operation, but no wars.
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[21:12]	IsambardPrince	The worst thing we walked in on under Clinton was the peacekeeping operation in Somalia.
[21:13]	IsambardPrince	I think like 143 Americans died in that because the operation went forward with poor planning and insufficient backup.
[21:13]	IsambardPrince	The idea was that Army Rangers would rope in from helicopters and arrest a warlord that had caused a famine and was stealing UN food and medical relief.
[21:14]	IsambardPrince	The helicopters ended up being shot down leading to a rolling firefight between the surviving Rangers and the local militias.
[21:16]	IsambardPrince	The casualties were obviously much higher among the militia because they were not well trained or equipped, but it was a success in the end for them because the US ended up pulling out and videos of dead Army Rangers being dragged down the streets made it to CNN.
[21:18]	IsambardPrince	It's difficult to win something like that, not because our military isn't capable.
[21:18]	IsambardPrince	But because the leadership is bad.
[21:19]	IsambardPrince	They don't want to commit the resources to a successful operation, so they ensure that the whole thing goes sideways, very publicly, on CNN.
[21:19]	IsambardPrince	Then they freak out and pull back.
[21:19]	IsambardPrince	And the lesson for thugs and terrorists everywhere is that if you just wait out the United States, they'll leave eventually.
[21:21]	IsambardPrince	Before the Battle of Mogadishu, U.S. commanders in the field had requested heavy armor (AC-130 gunships and tanks) to support the task force, but Defense Secretary Les Aspin denied the request over concerns that heavy armor would send the wrong political message about the "humanitarian" nature of the mission.
[21:22]	IsambardPrince	If they had gone in using the M1A1 tanks and Bradley Fighting Vehicles, that would have played out much differently.
[21:23]	IsambardPrince	The Somali militia was pretty much limited to old Soviet crap like the AK47 and RPG-7.
[21:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	<MinceR> the "republicans" aren't even republican
[21:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	define republican
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[21:38]	IsambardPrince	https://babylonbee.com/news/new-parents-celebrate-baby-sleeping-through-the-night-by-waking-up-every-20-minutes-to-check-if-hes-alive
[21:38]	TR Bot	 New Parents Celebrate Baby Sleeping Through The Night By Waking Up Every 20 Minutes To Check If He's Alive | Babylon Bee
[21:39]	IsambardPrince	:)
[21:39]	IsambardPrince	There's ads all over the CTA about how a baby should sleep.
[21:39]	IsambardPrince	I guess they have to educate South Chicago about this.
[21:39]	IsambardPrince	In a CPSC approved crib.
[21:40]	IsambardPrince	Alone.
[21:40]	IsambardPrince	They say without blankets and pillows.
[21:40]	IsambardPrince	Never in a bed or next to an adult.
[21:41]	IsambardPrince	The infant should sleep without a blanket because it should be dressed warmly enough.
[21:41]	MinceR	19 223152 < schestowitz[TR2]> define republican
[21:41]	IsambardPrince	You know you'd think a lot of this would be common sense.
[21:41]	MinceR	supporter of having a given country become or remain a republic
[21:41]	IsambardPrince	People have been having babies since there have been people.
[21:41]	IsambardPrince	Almost everyone in my generation survived, without ads on a bus.
[21:41]	IsambardPrince	Suddenly Ass Burgers and "Sudden Infant Death Syndrome" are a thing.
[21:42]	IsambardPrince	My parents were so exhausted from work and everything and I never slept through the night.
[21:42]	IsambardPrince	So I was often the one up and taking care of my brother, when I was like 9-10 years old.
[21:42]	IsambardPrince	I mean, for fucks sake I was using deep fryers and lawnmowers and hedge trimmers when I was 8 years old.
[21:43]	IsambardPrince	And riding my bicycle across town alone.
[21:43]	IsambardPrince	There's no breathing room for a child to actually turn into an adult anymore.
[21:43]	IsambardPrince	No parents who expect them to have skills.
[21:44]	IsambardPrince	Everyone that my partner works with says "Wow, Ryan is a really good cook." every time they taste some leftovers he brings.
[21:44]	MinceR	most of the "adults" aren't adults, either
[21:44]	IsambardPrince	There's a 100 year old man who he takes care of that particularly likes my spaghetti and meatballs recipt.
[21:44]	IsambardPrince	*recipe
[21:44]	IsambardPrince	I always send an extra container for that guy.
[21:44]	MinceR	ball consumption
[21:49]	IsambardPrince	Sam's Club sells 6 pound bags of frozen meatballs.
[21:50]	IsambardPrince	I can make a full pot of spaghetti four times with that one bag of meatballs.
[21:50]	IsambardPrince	It works out to $8 cheaper over the course of the bag than buying four 1.5 pound bags of meatballs at the grocery store.
[21:56]	IsambardPrince	MinceR, The whole point of those warehouse clubs is everything they sell is enormous.
[21:56]	IsambardPrince	The cost of the trip is high, but then you don't need to worry about that stuff again for a long time.
[21:56]	IsambardPrince	It gets the unit price down.
[21:56]	IsambardPrince	Completely different model than a store like Walmart.
[21:57]	IsambardPrince	Like they have a great price on toothpaste but you might have to buy 4 large tubes at once.
[21:57]	IsambardPrince	Or the cost of a Mach 3 razor head is great, but you have to buy two dozen at once.
[21:57]	IsambardPrince	Averaged out over time, you do better than buying it at Walmart.
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[22:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	i manged to get 4 fusion blades
[22:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	brand new, 15 cents each
[22:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	i got the handle in the us
[22:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	when i was last in the us
[22:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	bbl
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[22:03]	MinceR	19 225620 < IsambardPrince> MinceR, The whole point of those warehouse clubs is everything they sell is enormous.
[22:03]	MinceR	good fit for america, then
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