●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, December 19, 2020 ●● ● Dec 19 [00:01] *tr_guest|39624 (adb54df4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.181.77.244) has joined #techrights [00:02] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:08] *tr_guest|39624 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [00:23] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [00:46] DaemonFC[m] Coca Cola is in deep shit. [00:46] DaemonFC[m] They're firing another 2,200 people. ● Dec 19 [01:09] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [01:15] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [01:26] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [01:29] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [01:40] *swaggboi has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [01:53] *swaggboi (~swaggboi@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi) has joined #techrights [01:55] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: it's hard to sell water [01:57] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [01:58] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [01:59] DaemonFC[m] Yeah. The articles say they made the easy cuts earlier in the year. [01:59] schestowitz people check what costs they can cut ● Dec 19 [02:00] schestowitz water with chemicals in them are not worth $1 a litre [02:00] schestowitz they're also not healthy [02:00] *rianne_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [02:00] schestowitz and can lead to worse things than obesity [02:00] schestowitz COke has new ads here [02:00] schestowitz the xmas type [02:00] schestowitz they are very weird ads, billboards in the street [02:01] schestowitz never seen such weird ads [02:01] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [02:01] schestowitz They sell this idea that xmas won't be xmas without coke at the table [02:01] schestowitz for many people it'll be merely one couple of two at the table [02:02] *rianne_ has quit (Client Quit) [02:02] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [02:07] *rianne_ has quit (Client Quit) [02:07] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: They also resorted to full purchase price rebates on ibotta. [02:07] DaemonFC[m] For Thanksgiving. [02:07] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [02:08] *rianne_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [02:08] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Yeah, this is the year that many normal people finally get to experience what Christmas is like for the family members that nobody invites to anything. [02:08] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [02:08] DaemonFC[m] They'll get up and realize that everything's closed, they're all alone, and then stick a pizza in the oven and go well that was pointless. [02:09] DaemonFC[m] Trump managed to finally stick the last nail in family structure. [02:09] DaemonFC[m] Some people were so devoted to his cult that they finally swung the axe on any of their less fascist relatives. [02:10] *rianne_ has quit (Client Quit) [02:10] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [02:11] DaemonFC[m] I figure part of the reason suicides are up this year is that many people who haven't dealt with year after year of exile from everyone else don't know how to handle it. [02:11] DaemonFC[m] It's all new to them. [02:11] *kupi has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [02:11] *rianne_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [02:12] DaemonFC[m] When nobody invites you to anything and then they have to go a year living exactly like what they did to you. [02:12] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [02:12] *rianne_ has quit (Client Quit) [02:15] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [02:15] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Microsoft says they were breached too. [02:16] DaemonFC[m] I guess the Trustworthy Computing Initiative really paid off. [02:18] MinceR :> [02:19] *rianne_ has quit (Client Quit) [02:19] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [02:20] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [02:22] *kingoffrance somehow feels Daemons last 3 sentences go together [02:22] *rianne_ has quit (Read error: No route to host) [02:23] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [02:23] *rianne_ has quit (Read error: No route to host) [02:26] schestowitz [02:25] don't want to be a bother, but... is the pleroma.site DB being restored? I know it's vast... [02:26] schestowitz not sure how long before we can have viera working again [02:26] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [02:27] *rianne_ has quit (Client Quit) [02:28] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [02:29] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [02:29] DaemonFC[m] https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-10-updates-cause-corsairvbusdriver-bsod-crash-loop/ [02:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Windows 10 updates cause CorsairVBusDriver BSOD crash loop [02:30] schestowitz :-) [02:31] schestowitz https://www.techradar.com/news/microsoft-has-delivered-a-partial-fix-for-this-nagging-windows-10-bug [02:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft has delivered a partial fix for this nagging Windows 10 bug | TechRadar [02:31] DaemonFC[m] "It should be noted that people have been complaining about the CorsairVBusDriver.sys crashes since December 8th, but today BleepingComputer saw a huge surge in people who were affected. If Microsoft is offering an optional update for the Corsair drivers, do not install them, as this could explain the surge we are seeing." [02:31] DaemonFC[m] My guess is the surge was from the update going from Optional Driver to a regular update. [02:41] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [02:42] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: can you spot typos here? http://techrights.org/2020/12/18/epo-strike-report/ [02:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Almost Half of Vienna-based EPO Staff Went on Strike This Past Week | Techrights [02:53] *rianne has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [02:53] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● Dec 19 [03:10] *rianne_ has quit (Read error: No route to host) [03:11] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [03:17] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [03:17] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [03:23] *rianne_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [03:23] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [03:28] schestowitz Sad to say this, but LBRY seems to be terrible. Enough warning signs of the surface (found 3 already) for me to steer clear and away from it. [03:29] schestowitz *On the surface [03:43] *kupi (uid212005@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gzofgnqwuptoilky) has joined #techrights [03:46] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [03:46] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● Dec 19 [04:10] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [04:15] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [04:27] *oarion7 (~anonymous@unaffiliated/oarion7) has joined #techrights [04:35] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [04:35] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [04:47] *oarion7 has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [04:48] schestowitz vZS1: https://opensourcesecurity.io/2020/12/18/episode-244-door-19-tls-certificate-trust/ [04:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensourcesecurity.io | Episode 244 Door 19: TLS certificate trust Open Source Security [04:48] schestowitz just now [04:49] *oarion7 (~anonymous@unaffiliated/oarion7) has joined #techrights [04:54] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) ● Dec 19 [05:01] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [05:12] vZS1 schestowitz: physical public key exchange should be the norm. People should get one from their bank or whatever every X months. X509 trust model is a joke [05:13] vZS1 It was designed to monopolise trust. Nothing else [05:13] vZS1 No "security" [05:16] vZS1 It's just theatre [05:17] schestowitz imposed on us using browsers [05:17] vZS1 Yeah [05:17] schestowitz if you don't play along, they put you in redlists or blacklists or blocklists or whatever it deemed P-C now [05:18] schestowitz *is deemed [05:19] vZS1 The only "authority" in security should be science and mathematics [05:20] vZS1 But security theatre is a lucrative industry so it won't go away any time soon [05:21] vZS1 Because most security theatre arguments boil down to appeal to authority [05:22] schestowitz or media [05:22] schestowitz which, as you know, nowadays works closely with or as PR indsutry [05:22] vZS1 Effectively the same thing [05:22] schestowitz not supposed to be [05:22] schestowitz let's differentiate [05:22] schestowitz what it used to be or was supposed to be [05:22] schestowitz and what it often becomes/became [05:23] schestowitz maybe I should do some videos about incredulous 'news' sites [05:23] schestowitz need to make a quick list of them first [05:39] DaemonFC[m] Instead of suing over Microsoft blocking Firefox and leading the user to think it's dangerous to use it, Mozilla continues to do nothing. [05:40] DaemonFC[m] They have some articles on how to get your computer out of S mode or work around the giant screen that pops up saying that you should just use Edge instead. [05:41] DaemonFC[m] They're losing market share because they're dealing with operating systems that forbid them from distributing their browser or warning the user away from it. [05:41] schestowitz that too [05:41] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19697757 [05:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #mozilla and #firefox increasingly stand not for the "Open Web" but the monopolised Web. CAs, DNS, EME etc. If you care about #internet freedom you'll look away from Mozilla and focus on the few who STILL care. [05:41] schestowitz mozilla is done [05:44] DaemonFC[m] https://movieweb.com/firefly-reboot-disney-plus-fan-reaction/ [05:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-movieweb.com | Firefly Disney+ Reboot Rumors Have Original Series Fans Crying Foul [05:44] DaemonFC[m] Neoconfederate vibes? [05:45] DaemonFC[m] A PC and PG Firefly is going to suck. [05:49] DaemonFC[m] I wonder how Disney will even do that. [05:52] schestowitz what is a disney? [05:52] schestowitz I heard about it [05:52] schestowitz they used to have theme parks [05:52] schestowitz I went to some [05:52] schestowitz are they still around? [05:54] *oarion7 has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [05:55] DaemonFC[m] The theme parks are a disaster now. [05:55] vZS1 DaemonFC[m]: the fact that Firefox is in the "trusted" list of browsers capable of signing into things like Google and Discord should say enough about where Mozilla stands. [05:56] vZS1 You can't sign into those with any browser [05:56] DaemonFC[m] I've never used Discord. [05:56] vZS1 Just citing examples [05:56] vZS1 Might be Microsoft just wanting to stomp out competition for edge [05:57] schestowitz sometimes it feels like Google and Microsoft are too close.... [05:57] schestowitz ....on shared interests [05:57] schestowitz I can cite some example [05:57] schestowitz but I'd forget some [05:57] vZS1 Firefox, Chrom(e|ium), Opera, Edge [05:57] schestowitz companies tend to be like that, coopetition they call it [05:57] vZS1 That's about it for freedom of choice [05:58] schestowitz they basically liaise to destroy companies that pose a threat to both [05:58] schestowitz and it should be forbidden, with severe fines imposed [05:59] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [05:59] vZS1 I tried to use konqueror and Falkon but I can't do all my work in then because I can't log in to various services due to the "trust" issue [05:59] vZS1 s/then/them [05:59] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● Dec 19 [06:00] vZS1 So I'm basically stuck with Firefox, for now [06:00] schestowitz i can't use LBRY with Falkon [06:00] schestowitz and Falkon is rather modern [06:00] schestowitz LBRY is a mess [06:00] DaemonFC[m] It's interesting that really nobody builds a browser on Firefox's platform. [06:00] schestowitz I don't know if they deserve the name [06:00] schestowitz far removed from liberty [06:00] vZS1 > It's interesting that really nobody builds a browser on Firefox's platform [06:00] schestowitz or libraries [06:00] vZS1 I don't think that's true [06:00] vZS1 There are examples [06:01] schestowitz many firefox derivs [06:01] schestowitz tor also [06:01] vZS1 IceCat [06:01] vZS1 Yeah [06:01] vZS1 Tor [06:01] schestowitz waterfox is a spying platform now [06:01] DaemonFC[m] You can't package a real browser as a Universal Windows Platform app. [06:01] vZS1 Palemoon [06:01] schestowitz but tbh, the web is cancer [06:01] schestowitz so any browser you build, it's the wrong solution [06:01] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft forces you to use "the web platform that comes with Windows". [06:01] schestowitz because it solves the wrong problem [06:01] schestowitz which is what 'pages' are served [06:02] vZS1 It's just another interface [06:02] schestowitz many are just a bunch of programs (JS or obects) [06:02] schestowitz *objects [06:02] vZS1 Problem is it's an interface with smuggled control and surveillance mechanisms [06:02] DaemonFC[m] I don't know how people can stand Chromium browsers. [06:02] schestowitz let's accept the web is rotting [06:02] DaemonFC[m] No option to disable autoplay videos [06:02] schestowitz and is barely even the web anymore [06:02] schestowitz you cannot even link to those "platforms" [06:02] schestowitz so you know they're not pages [06:03] schestowitz the platform is just some API [06:03] schestowitz and they want it that way [06:03] schestowitz with services and "slaves" and "workers" [06:03] schestowitz not pages [06:03] DaemonFC[m] Well, Gecko is just doing what Microsoft was with EdgeHTML. [06:03] DaemonFC[m] Implementing Chromium compatibility in their engine. [06:03] vZS1 JS is, ultimately, about dynamic pages [06:03] DaemonFC[m] It's like what's the point. [06:04] vZS1 But it evolved into an OS in itself [06:04] vZS1 You don't see entire JS programs in web pages much [06:05] vZS1 it's usually a rest api call [06:06] vZS1 Right now cross-platform is all the rage [06:06] vZS1 So the situation isn't likely to change soon [06:06] vZS1 React Native, Flutter, etc. [06:07] vZS1 WebRTC [06:07] schestowitz [06:03] JS is, ultimately, about dynamic pages [06:07] schestowitz originally [06:07] schestowitz now it's not [06:07] schestowitz JS is 'too' flexible [06:08] schestowitz so now it's 'telemetry' and stuff [06:08] vZS1 I don't think you can blame the technology [06:08] vZS1 It's more about the abuse done with the technology [06:08] schestowitz the "big tech" (don't like the term) cabal cannot get people to install their blobs [06:08] schestowitz so they toss them at web pages [06:08] schestowitz 'freemium' [06:08] schestowitz and if they lack some functionality, they torture the browser to include it [06:08] schestowitz and to hell with web standards [06:09] schestowitz the "browser" becomes 'the standard' [06:09] schestowitz use "browser X", use "application Y" [06:09] schestowitz so it's not the Web anymore [06:09] DaemonFC[m] "How many times do you want Chrome on your computer?" [06:09] DaemonFC[m] Different browsers now. [06:10] schestowitz 'different' [06:10] schestowitz different logos [06:10] schestowitz different blobs [06:10] schestowitz same pedigree [06:10] vZS1 Bit of a tangent by I've been looking into the portable OS thing [06:10] vZS1 Turns out Linux supports some things NetBSD doesn't [06:10] vZS1 Mainly drivers [06:11] vZS1 This reminds me of the time when all you could get was Windows drivers for hardware [06:11] vZS1 Which stopped many people from migrating [06:12] schestowitz back when you could install alts [06:12] vZS1 Now Linux has better driver support than pretty much every other kernel [06:12] schestowitz now it's complicated [06:12] schestowitz installers for gnu/linux are easier to use, but hardware becomes hostiel [06:13] vZS1 Now Linux driver availability isn't the issue. The issue is they're still blobs [06:13] vZS1 So at least there's some progress [06:14] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, and while Firefox is available for Linux, they don't put a lot of effort into making it run well. [06:14] DaemonFC[m] They focus most of their effort on the Windows build. [06:14] schestowitz even though it's almost the only OS that COMES with firefox [06:14] vZS1 Mozilla resets the config after an update [06:14] vZS1 It's really annoying [06:14] schestowitz mozilla is a Mac-centric cult [06:14] DaemonFC[m] So it always gets things like the multi process's model and webrender first. [06:14] schestowitz with github accounts [06:16] vZS1 I need to see which files the config lives in so that I can just replace that automatically [06:16] vZS1 I've already done that for fonts [06:17] vZS1 Because Firefox and Tor Browser both barely have many fonts [06:18] DaemonFC[m] Windows 10 opens Skype by default on startup. Eating up 128 MB of RAM whether you use it or not. [06:18] DaemonFC[m] You can turn it off but.... [06:18] vZS1 Yeah [06:18] vZS1 I've noticed that on my windows install [06:19] DaemonFC[m] It lets you remove it from startup or uninstall it, but it's there by default. [06:19] vZS1 systemd likes to load a lot of junk on startup as well [06:19] vZS1 By default [06:19] vZS1 I think it took that trick out of Windows' book [06:22] vZS1 There's also a really janky config on Debian-based systems that makes laptops choke when you close the lid [06:22] vZS1 I forgot what the problem is [06:22] vZS1 Let me look it up again [06:23] vZS1 https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/200125/debian-8-jessie-laptop-stops-working-after-closing-the-laptop-lid [06:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-unix.stackexchange.com | Debian 8 (Jessie) - Laptop stops working after closing the laptop lid - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange [06:23] vZS1 Okay, so it was a systemd issue [06:23] vZS1 Forgot about that [06:24] vZS1 I had to fix that when I set up the laptop I got for my dad [06:24] vZS1 I did it for one of my old laptops as well but it was a long time ago [06:24] vZS1 Surprised it hasn't been fixed yet [06:25] vZS1 I run Debian on laptops because it just works OOTB [06:26] vZS1 Apart from when it doesn't [06:26] vZS1 Like that example [06:26] vZS1 Overall, though, Debian is a low-hassle distro [06:27] vZS1 My main issue with it is you still need a lot of blobs for most hardware [06:29] vZS1 I needed to enable and install from the non-free sources list of Debian for dad's laptop. Needed it for the Broadcom wireless network card [06:32] vZS1 Forgot the the specific model [06:35] vZS1 You'd have thought such ubiquitous hardware would have standardised drivers by now but nope [06:35] vZS1 We got blobs [06:37] vZS1 schestowitz: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Preferences/A_brief_guide_to_Mozilla_preferences [06:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developer.mozilla.org | A brief guide to Mozilla preferences - Mozilla | MDN [06:37] vZS1 Works for Thunderbird too. Might fix your config issue [06:38] vZS1 Interested that it says the docs are no longer maintained. It was last updated in March so the archiving was a relatively recent decision [06:39] vZS1 s/Interested/Interesting [06:48] schestowitz I fixed the issue [06:48] schestowitz sort of [06:48] schestowitz by mandating pgp for all outgoing mail [06:48] schestowitz I need to explicitly acknowledge sending anything which is not encrypted now [06:50] vZS1 This will lock your preferences though. Might end up being more convenient than what you're currently doing. Either way. Just thought I'd forward the link to you since I saw Thunderbird mentioned. [06:51] schestowitz I don't use thunderbird much anymore [06:51] schestowitz it was sabotaged 2 years ago [06:51] schestowitz with xul and all sorts of extensions assassinated [06:51] vZS1 What happened to it? [06:51] vZS1 Ah [06:52] schestowitz I used to use thunderbird as my main browser [06:52] schestowitz with ThunderBrowse [06:52] schestowitz before mozilla ux BS [06:52] schestowitz and cutting off the "bad things" like extension devs [06:52] schestowitz for "unified" "experience" [06:53] vZS1 I'm guessing they broke backwards compatibility? [06:53] schestowitz if your "new" version breaks something old, maybe it's a bad idea [06:53] schestowitz inc. themes [06:53] vZS1 So y [06:53] vZS1 Ah* [06:53] schestowitz gtk and qt also do that a lot [06:54] schestowitz so you end up wasting time relearning, seeking alternatives [06:54] schestowitz rebuilding the workflow [06:54] vZS1 That's the most effective way to grab control over an ecosystem [06:54] schestowitz that used to work [06:54] vZS1 They break BC [06:54] schestowitz and it's a hassle and waste of time [06:54] vZS1 So so the old stuff doesn't work [06:54] vZS1 So all* [06:54] schestowitz Widnows was like tgat [06:54] schestowitz many people put off, so they left [06:54] schestowitz and now we find lots of the same elsewhere [06:55] schestowitz many excuses are given [06:55] vZS1 Most devs can't afford to spend the time to port to new version [06:55] schestowitz I saw one earlier today [06:55] schestowitz can't recall what it was [06:56] schestowitz that's why I use Palm PDA [06:56] schestowitz no changes in 17 years [06:56] schestowitz same US, backup, hardware [06:56] schestowitz it's more predictable [06:56] vZS1 If it ain't broke [06:56] schestowitz they make you buy new things [06:56] schestowitz until you're broke [06:57] vZS1 Lol [06:57] schestowitz and your workflow is broken [06:57] schestowitz then they say, "buy the next one" [06:57] schestowitz "it'll be more smart" [06:57] schestowitz wish I remember what it is I saw earlier [06:57] schestowitz I links to it, maybe did not quote [06:57] schestowitz they have those catchphrases [06:57] schestowitz like "moving forward" [06:57] schestowitz "simplicity" [06:57] schestowitz "ease of use", "experience" [06:58] schestowitz like banks becoming "apps" [06:58] schestowitz and their web sites getting dumber and dumber [06:58] schestowitz ah, yes, I think it was not a web page I saw [06:58] schestowitz it's a letter from eON I read yesterday at the gym [06:58] schestowitz about their oh-so-awesome 'site' [06:58] schestowitz they took over our energy provider, NPower [06:59] schestowitz and now impose changes on us [06:59] schestowitz of course they insist that everything is "smart" now [06:59] schestowitz they also have green seeds in the letter [06:59] schestowitz cartoons of green things ● Dec 19 [07:00] schestowitz they say it's "sustainable" energy [07:00] schestowitz a vacuous term [07:00] schestowitz green, sustainable... all that stuff... [07:00] schestowitz I'm preconditioned to hate them because a close friend told me how much they hated eON and worked hard to move away from them [07:09] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Microsoft has what they call a "modern policy" now. [07:09] DaemonFC[m] Where they don't commit to supporting anything for at least 10 years anymore. [07:10] DaemonFC[m] So I'm honestly surprised that they haven't removed IE 11 yet. They've removed Direct3d 9 stuff and you have to install those files if you want to use an old video game. [07:10] DaemonFC[m] It's beyond time to remove all of Internet Explorer and turn it into an "option" for a while on the way to complete removal. [07:12] schestowitz "tech" is becoming about IMPOSED, not planned, obsolescence [07:12] schestowitz but some alternatives still exist [07:12] schestowitz if you try to stick to them [07:12] DaemonFC[m] Internet Explorer 11 still works for the most part, surprisingly enough. [07:12] schestowitz and they can be cheaper if you get refurbs and recycled things [07:12] schestowitz IE doesn't work for you [07:12] schestowitz it works for Microsoft [07:13] schestowitz IE7+ is malware [07:13] schestowitz it sends Microsoft browsing history [07:13] schestowitz so the US doesn't need to go to your ISP [07:13] schestowitz they say it's for "security" [07:22] schestowitz apple cult openwashing apple https://erik-engheim.medium.com/the-openness-of-macos-dfee78699da [07:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-erik-engheim.medium.com | The Openness of macOS. There is a perception that Macs are | by Erik Engheim | Dec, 2020 | Medium [07:25] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz The Gecko platform is forcing more changes to SeaMonkey at UX level. [07:26] DaemonFC[m] Would be nice if they still had sync to Firefox. [07:26] DaemonFC[m] Mozilla broke that years ago. [07:27] DaemonFC[m] Mac OS is worse than Windows 10. [07:27] *rianne_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [07:27] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [07:28] DaemonFC[m] Not just that it's proprietary, but the backwards compatibility sucks and there are weird bugs in macOS that are like the bastard child of Windows XP and 2004 Linux. [07:29] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft should really stop pretending they're Apple. [07:30] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: May we live long and die out | http://vhemt.org/) [07:32] DaemonFC[m] https://www.howtogeek.com/410183/microsoft-abandons-windows-10s-forced-updates/ [07:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.howtogeek.com | Microsoft Abandons Windows 10s Constant Forced Updates [07:32] DaemonFC[m] The October 2018 update was scandalous and forced Microsoft to get much less aggressive about updates. [07:33] DaemonFC[m] I remember it came out and I saw a lot of fuck it, now my computer won't even boot and I'm installing Linux posts. [07:38] schestowitz Remember they broke wsl [07:38] schestowitz and took weeks to fix it [07:38] schestowitz imagine having work done on that [07:39] schestowitz just wait weeks [07:41] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [07:41] psydroid I don't mind them doing WSL in a technical rather than a political sense as they compete with GNU/Linux, but it's a toy and they should be honest about it being just a toy and unfit for production [07:41] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [07:42] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [07:42] schestowitz windows is a toy [07:42] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [07:42] schestowitz anything on top of it is, by definition, just for toying around with [07:43] psydroid exactly [07:44] psydroid so how have so many organisations been fooled into basing their most important infrastructure on something that can be considered merely a toy [07:44] psydroid it boggles the mind what kind of warped thinking must underlie such decision-making [07:45] DaemonFC[m] It definitely needs to be put on a diet. [07:46] DaemonFC[m] Too much legacy stuff hanging around. [07:46] DaemonFC[m] Tech support scammers abusing syskey.exe.....like what was that even doing there? [07:47] DaemonFC[m] It just accumulates crap and then that adds attack surface. [07:50] psydroid I know what they are afraid of, as every effort to port the Windows (malware) "ecosystem" over to another architecture has failed and every slimmed down version is abhorred by users [07:51] psydroid So if you create a slimmed down Windows, it stops being Windows and people might not be able to run their legacy applications [07:52] psydroid There has been an opportunity for ReactOS all along, but they are too busy being MS fanboys to get something working that could ultimately replace Windows for those who are interested in such a thing ● Dec 19 [09:04] schestowitz who else would want to emulate Windows [09:05] schestowitz to the point of trying to re-implement it? [09:05] schestowitz people would rather do something else, unless they partonise Windows [09:43] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [09:46] Ariadne people who have a lot of pre-existing windows apps and infrastructure [09:48] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights ● Dec 19 [10:30] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [10:33] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [10:42] *kupi has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [10:45] psydroid my approach would be to port those applications to or reimplement them for GNU/Linux or run them using WINE/Hangover/Box86, but if those approaches don't work using ReactOS could be a last resort (if it actually worked) [10:49] vZS1 psydroid: could just use a VM too. [10:55] vZS1 The Windows->GNU/Linux exodus is already underway [10:55] vZS1 That's why MS has been co-opting everything GNU/Linux [10:55] schestowitz it has been for ages [10:55] schestowitz I tjhink it started with servers [10:55] schestowitz like web servers [10:55] schestowitz and file servers maybe in parallel [10:56] vZS1 I feel like the acceleration of migration is at its highest level [10:56] vZS1 Because now non-tech people are installing GNU/Linux of their own free will. [10:57] vZS1 Without nudging from advocates [10:57] vZS1 So GIAFAM are trying their damn best to co-opt everything under the sun [10:58] psydroid vZS1, I helped a friend move his office to GNU/Linux by writing some software for his business when his Windows systems kept getting infested with malware [10:59] vZS1 Cool [10:59] psydroid Later on he moved back to Windows, but the problems obviously returned before he finally quit the business entirely ● Dec 19 [11:00] vZS1 Learning a new interface takes time. That's usually why people relapse back to Windows. [11:01] vZS1 There's also legacy issues [11:02] vZS1 A lot of people can't afford to migrate because they don't have the resources [11:02] vZS1 The best we can do to help them is stuff like VMs and WINE [11:04] vZS1 GNU/Linux is ideally suited to be the "first" for someone. The ecosystem is mature enough. [11:04] vZS1 Better software, in general. No UI excuses either. [11:05] vZS1 We have KDE, GNOME, etc. Pretty much every major web browser works with GNU/Linux. [11:05] vZS1 Hardware drivers mostly all there [11:07] psydroid If I set up a new business today, I don't see a reason to bother with Microsoft software [11:08] vZS1 Same [11:09] vZS1 My one big worry is Linuxisms [11:09] psydroid I know [11:09] vZS1 By Linuxisms I mean a lack of regard for POSIX [11:10] vZS1 Because too many Linuxisms means it's hard for people to study Linux [11:10] vZS1 The implementation becomes the standard. That's always a disaster [11:10] MinceR (cat) https://i.imgur.com/t2XKiCm.jpg [11:10] psydroid I don't mind going beyond current POSIX, but then try to make a new standard called POSIX 2025 or something [11:11] vZS1 Oh yeah. I'm happy as long as there is a documented standard [11:11] vZS1 I just don't want to keep having to look up an implementation for guidance. It's a monumental PITA. [11:11] vZS1 That's how it is for a lot of Linux rn. [11:12] vZS1 Familiarity with the Git repo is a necessity. [11:12] MinceR chances are such a standard would be poisoned by megacorporations [11:13] MinceR we can't even keep their filthy hands out of GNU/Linux, or what used to be GNU/Linux [11:13] vZS1 Standards should exist for common functionality. They don't need to stretch beyond that. [11:14] vZS1 When I get around to it I need to have a good hard look at what POSIX has been up to. [11:15] MinceR they'll insist that stuff like systemctl is "common functionality" :> [11:15] vZS1 #theonetrueway [11:18] vZS1 I think it's mostly GNU and BSD people that adhere to POSIX. Linux people tend to disregard POSIX as baggage [11:19] vZS1 It's concerning that GCC people were amongst the RMS backstabbing. [11:20] vZS1 That's one of the most important toolsets we depend on. [11:30] schestowitz yup [11:30] schestowitz even Torvalds acknowledged this [11:30] schestowitz in the bloomberg interview [11:30] schestowitz where he dared mention the G word [11:30] schestowitz oh, wait [11:30] schestowitz not the bloomberg one [11:30] schestowitz the raw footage from revolution os [11:30] schestowitz not the final cut [11:32] vZS1 > even Torvalds acknowledged this [11:32] vZS1 What is "this"? [11:34] vZS1 Also, which "G word"? [11:41] schestowitz GNU [11:43] schestowitz bbl gym [11:56] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights ● Dec 19 [12:08] MinceR > Linux people tend to disregard POSIX as baggage [12:09] MinceR yes, but ibm wouldn't be able to resist a chance to shit into POSIX2 [12:09] MinceR and neither would microshit [12:34] MinceR https://assets.amuniversal.com/1bac4410a7650137b78f005056a9545d ( https://dilbert.com/strip/2019-10-06 ) [12:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lifestyle Disagreer - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2019-10-06 | Dilbert by Scott Adams ● Dec 19 [13:13] MinceR (cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/23/da82b916d1d50872.jpg [13:30] vZS1 Fair point [13:31] vZS1 schestowitz: you should have what I promised for today sitting in your email inbox. [13:50] MinceR https://assets.amuniversal.com/bad03510b0d30137ba71005056a9545d ( https://dilbert.com/strip/2019-10-13 ) [13:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Performance Versus Pay - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2019-10-13 | Dilbert by Scott Adams ● Dec 19 [14:22] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/20072956 [14:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4790607) [14:42] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/20072955 [14:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4790550) ● Dec 19 [15:06] MinceR (cat) https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/22/47bd80a72a75f949.jpg [15:26] scientes https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/uttar-pradesh-conversion-ordinance-a-law-now-with-governors-seal/articleshow/79466958.cms [15:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-timesofindia.indiatimes.com | Uttar Pradesh conversion ordinance a law now with governors seal | Lucknow News - Times of India [15:26] scientes Under every rock lies a politician [15:26] scientes https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-india-religion-marriage-idUSKBN2842RS [15:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Uttar Pradesh criminalises 'forced' religious conversions by marriage | Reuters [15:36] *xvx (~xvx@185.48.63.110) has joined #techrights [15:47] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [15:59] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) ● Dec 19 [16:05] scientes XRevan86, my new ringtone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLQ_G4Wcp_s [16:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tell Me Your Name Again (Again) - YouTube [16:21] XRevan86 scientes: meh [16:24] scientes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsG0P2jjYnI [16:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Value Select's Seeing Eye Knife - YouTube [16:24] scientes yeah, its pretty juvinile [16:33] schestowitz vZS1: cheers [16:35] *lawrence (4c649b0f@c-76-100-155-15.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has joined #techrights [16:35] *lawrence is now known as Guest36412 [16:39] schestowitz [16:05] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- Tell Me Your Name Again (Again) - YouTube [16:39] *Guest36412 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [16:39] schestowitz LOL, that was... weird [16:42] schestowitz Ariadne: little update: href is now reimporting the pleroma.site DB [16:43] schestowitz all: hopefully viera will resume with real-time gnu/linux news soon, it's strictly reliant on pleroma.site getting repaired after almost 3 weeks since hardware crash [16:57] *tr_sylvaljp (4c649b0f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.76.100.155.15) has joined #techrights [16:59] *tr_sylvaljp has quit (Client Quit) ● Dec 19 [17:01] scientes ugggh panorama youtube is weird [17:02] scientes when you discover a feature and go "why the fuck would anyone want that?" [17:05] MinceR :> [17:06] scientes like that propogandized VR hype [17:06] scientes I used VR in the 90s at the seattle science museum [17:07] scientes and it was the exact same thing they are hyping now [17:07] scientes and it was super lame then [17:12] *tr_guest|24610 (adb54df4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.173.181.77.244) has joined #techrights [17:13] tr_guest|24610 Your layoffs posts are wrong [17:13] tr_guest|24610 1. There were maybe 10-20 layoffs across Azure (a 20k person org) largely concentrated under Eric Boyd, none impacting any core azure engineering teams. [17:14] tr_guest|24610 2. Microsoft has been paying contractors the whole time: https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2020/12/17/microsoft-covid-19-washington-state-support/ [17:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.microsoft.com | Microsoft commits more than $110M in additional support for nonprofits, workers and schools in Washington state - Microsoft On the Issues [17:14] tr_guest|24610 3. Microsoft headcount went up a lot in 2020 so layoffs have not offset hiring in new areas: https://www.statista.com/statistics/273475/number-of-employees-at-the-microsoft-corporation-since-2005/ [17:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Microsoft: number of employees 2019 | Statista [17:14] tr_guest|24610 4. Retail staff have largely kept their jobs and have be retrained as consumer customer support [17:14] tr_guest|24610 5. A PM is a not a manager. Most PMs are ICs with different management chains so a layoff of a pm does not mean they have 100 reports. [17:14] MinceR lol @ the use of the word "engineering" in relation to anything the redmond mafia does [17:14] MinceR what does the "M" in "PM" stand for? [17:15] tr_guest|24610 The name of roles doesn't really matter [17:16] MinceR uh huh [17:16] tr_guest|24610 I don't think you will find many companies where a PM has a lot of direct reports [17:16] MinceR only whatever their marketroids want us to believe matters, right? [17:16] tr_guest|24610 It's a separate track [17:16] tr_guest|24610 Like design or whatever [17:16] *kupi (uid212005@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bdrehaakptqukgwb) has joined #techrights [17:16] MinceR maybe some PMs wish they were doing design [17:16] tr_guest|24610 Some PM can be managers but they manage other PMs [17:17] tr_guest|24610 In general Microsoft has too many PMs so having them laid off is generally a good thing [17:17] *tr_guest|24610 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [17:19] scientes the whole economy is a game of musical chairs [17:20] scientes that is the pressure that creates this yuppie thing [17:20] scientes its hypocrisy [17:21] scientes it also creates all the parasites out of genius: it is hard for someone to outcompete you for your job if no-one knows what you do (because you don't do anything) [17:21] scientes the parasites have more job security that people that do things [17:23] DaemonFC[m] I think they could make Windows better very easily, but they have no interest in that. [17:24] schestowitz Microsoft sent spinners here [17:24] schestowitz with 5 talking points [17:24] DaemonFC[m] Some parts are not that bad, but there's a lot of advertising and spyware and legacy crap that time forgot. [17:24] schestowitz wow [17:24] schestowitz so we must really have hurt their feelings [17:25] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19701319 [17:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Someone from #microsoft has just come to #techrights IRC to confirm #azure layoffs [17:25] schestowitz notice he refuted NOTHING [17:26] schestowitz all points are positibe SPIN [17:26] schestowitz not hard to do if you are EAGER [17:26] DaemonFC[m] The layoffs in the Windows area are a serious wtf. [17:26] schestowitz I've just done a quick video on DRM [17:26] schestowitz am doing the text now [17:27] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: ignore him [17:27] schestowitz or her [17:27] schestowitz it's clearly bothering them that (1) [17:27] schestowitz the azure thing [17:27] schestowitz because they are harmed [17:27] *tr_guest|87625 (4c649b0f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.76.100.155.15) has joined #techrights [17:27] schestowitz if this thing collapses [17:27] DaemonFC[m] They say that there will be more testing of their releases before they go out after that October 2018 update but I think it's just damage control. [17:27] schestowitz and the layoffs harm confidence [17:27] schestowitz business don't want to migrate to another platforms [17:27] scientes schestowitz, same reason you get the anti-RMS trolls (that was 10 years ago, they lost that one) [17:27] schestowitz done that when a client used vmware [17:27] DaemonFC[m] For all we know it just means they do a smaller random sampling so there's not as much news when things go wrong. [17:27] scientes anything that destabililizes the pyramid scheme [17:28] schestowitz and they they tossed out their hosting business [17:28] schestowitz workflows and everything need to change [17:28] scientes and fear of losing your job is a great way to destabilize the pyramid scheme [17:28] scientes rather, non-personalized fear [17:28] scientes personalized fear isolates us [17:28] schestowitz right [17:28] *tr_guest|87625 has quit (Client Quit) [17:28] schestowitz anyway, we need to do more posts about azure layoffs [17:28] schestowitz I will do one now [17:29] scientes that's why Greece just bought a fighter jet [17:29] schestowitz or mention it every other post [17:29] schestowitz just because [17:29] scientes they have to give engineers jobs because they are the only people with the skills to see through the lies [17:29] scientes although this "papers please" regime will wear thin on the general populus too [17:31] scientes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5ouLsqSoZ4 [17:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Greece parliament set to approve purchase of French fighter jets - YouTube [17:31] scientes you don't have to be a genius to realize that you are being lied you: you just have to remember 2 years ago [17:32] scientes or maybe like 4 years ago [17:32] DaemonFC[m] One job I had was still using NT 4 and some green screen Unixware terminals. In 2007. [17:32] scientes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qMMChzqeII [17:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Peru: UNESCO site under threat from squatters - YouTube [17:32] scientes HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA [17:33] DaemonFC[m] It was aging badly at the time and then the guy that remembered how it all fit together retires. [17:34] DaemonFC[m] It's all because they don't want to invest in new computers because it'll break some setup they have that only barely worked to begin with. [17:35] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft seems to not want people to know how long their computer is supported, so when it's not anymore, they put it on a LTSC build and special case it so it doesn't get major updates anymore. [17:35] schestowitz If Azure is Collapsing and Clown Computing a Passing Fad, Why Can't DRM as Well? [17:35] schestowitz I will keep mentioning Azure [17:35] schestowitz this will be funny [17:35] schestowitz they only confirmed what I had written [17:35] DaemonFC[m] Then it just gets security patches. They do this so there aren't a bunch of old Windows 10 systems out there piling up crawling with malware. [17:35] schestowitz based on some whistleblowers from Business Insider [17:35] schestowitz whom DaemonFC[m] first noticed [17:36] DaemonFC[m] But the problem is people will keep it around even after that LTSC build goes EOL. [17:36] schestowitz BTW, our employer just sent us vouchers as xmas gifts [17:36] schestowitz they sent me twice as much as Rianne [17:37] schestowitz but I guess because she's part-time, not coz she's female [17:37] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: can you dig in for more mistakes in the spinner's reply? [17:37] DaemonFC[m] So eventually what malware writers will do is figure out the vulnerabilities common to several LTSC builds and attack the LTSC. [17:37] schestowitz Maybe Microsoft just bought companies [17:37] schestowitz then gutted them [17:37] schestowitz so no real staff increases [17:37] schestowitz just contractors and temps [17:37] schestowitz what does SEC say? [17:38] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft is infamous for contractors and temps. [17:38] DaemonFC[m] If they offer you a non temp position it means they think very highly of you. [17:38] scientes XRevan86, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AS9HWI7r9c [17:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Azerbaijan president Aliyev visits Nagorno-Karabakh, says Armenia must "answer" for damage - YouTube [17:38] scientes Azerbaijan doesn't seem to have much interest in peace [17:38] XRevan86 scientes: You think? [17:39] DaemonFC[m] It's why they have such good retirement benefits. They control who "works there" and who doesn't get fired before they're vested. [17:39] DaemonFC[m] So few get it in the end. [17:39] XRevan86 scientes: Azerbaijan wants to maximise the profits while they're ahead with Turkey backing them up. [17:40] scientes but also the people are like this [17:40] scientes I even met one on the streets here in Georgia [17:40] scientes they had spontaneous anti-Armenia protests in Baku [17:40] scientes when the war started [17:40] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [17:40] XRevan86 They started the [2020 iteration of the] conflict, so of course they're not interested in peace. [17:40] schestowitz scientes: how did you get from LatAm to Georgia? What next? Australia? [17:41] scientes schestowitz, I was in San Francisco for the LLVM conference [17:41] DaemonFC[m] Plus, you can't lay off a contractor or a temp because they're not covered by WARN. [17:41] scientes XRevan86, this guy I met, he didn't seem to grasp the basic concept that no-body wins in a war [17:41] schestowitz scientes: must be very corporate [17:41] schestowitz seeing who does much of the work on it [17:42] XRevan86 scientes: Aliyev does %) [17:42] scientes schestowitz, yes, but it was very differen't in 2013 when I went (also went to GCC conference that year) [17:42] schestowitz red hat [17:42] scientes schestowitz, the food was certainly top-notch [17:42] schestowitz suse [17:42] scientes GCC conference was hosted by Google that year [17:43] schestowitz flying places just for food? [17:44] DaemonFC[m] Even if they worked there for 10 years like that. [17:44] DaemonFC[m] They just don't have more work so byeeeeee. [17:45] scientes XRevan86, the problem I have is that it just confirms my dislike of muslim cultures [17:46] scientes I am very uneasy with these generalizations, but I have struggled to find counterpoint [17:46] scientes I need to travel more [17:47] scientes of course Turkey hates Arabs, so it is definitely satellite in that [17:47] scientes I guess it is more a nationalistic thing [17:47] scientes and Turkey has a super ugly history [17:50] XRevan86 scientes: Have you heard of the teacher murder by a Chechen Muslim? [17:50] XRevan86 Chechen state TV paints him as a victim of islamophobia. [17:51] XRevan86 I think *this* is the worst thing that happened to the image of Islam this year. [17:51] *razielle_tzu (~razielle@razielletzu.plus.com) has joined #techrights [17:52] scientes there certainly have been idiots in france with a death wish [17:52] XRevan86 The official statement of Russia is that that was an act of terrorism. [17:52] scientes but claiming death-phobia is islamo-phobia is also pretty silly [17:53] XRevan86 The official statement of Russia on Checha trying to paint a terrorist as a victim we don't know. Classic Pieskov. [17:53] scientes XRevan86, I don't see any reason to play the blame game in calling names [17:53] XRevan86 scientes: A guy beheaded a teacher for showing picture with prior warning. [17:54] MinceR > they lost that one [17:54] MinceR except RMS gave up and then they cancelled him [17:54] scientes and both the official statement of the Kremlin and Chechen are name-calling [17:54] scientes XRevan86, yeah, but if a white kid in the US kills a black kid it isn't terrorism [17:55] scientes before any other facts are discussed [17:55] XRevan86 scientes: I don't think it's actually terrorism. [17:55] scientes exactly [17:55] scientes it sounds like a rage-kill [17:55] XRevan86 Russia's using "terrorism" left and right. They don't care. [17:55] scientes similar to coming home and seeing your wife having sex with another man [17:56] scientes and then murdering someone [17:56] XRevan86 Liked a picture of a cat? Extremism. Farted in public transport? Terrorism. [17:56] MinceR > Russia's using terrorism [17:56] MinceR that is, of course, because they're terrorists [17:56] MinceR :> [17:56] scientes and there certainly have been cases in France of people drawing Mohammed with an explicit death-wish----as libel I mean [17:57] scientes and then when this gets official support, it is pretty disgusting [17:57] scientes because the thing they are condoning is libel [17:58] scientes it is not just drawing a picture of the prophet, it is doing so explicitly to defame his name, which is what libel is [17:59] scientes it makes their criticism of Iran's state security pretty hypocritical ● Dec 19 [18:00] XRevan86 scientes: In my opinion, it is apalling to try to paint a straight up murderer as a victim. [18:00] scientes XRevan86, yes it is [18:01] scientes the fear of death is a reasonable fear, so calling it something else is pretty rediculous [18:01] XRevan86 The lesson was on freedom of speech, and the teacher asked sensitive students to leave before showing Hebdo caricatures. [18:01] scientes yeah, sounds like a rage kill [18:02] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/12/19/linux-drm-not-inevitable/ [18:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | If Azure is Collapsing and Clown Computing a Passing Fad, Why Cant DRM Go Away as Well? | Techrights [18:02] scientes and the inability of a muslim culture to see this person as a threat to society shows a sickness in the culture [18:02] schestowitz need to catch typosd [18:02] schestowitz *typos [18:02] scientes and my struggle is that I see this as a pattern in muslim cultures [18:03] scientes that they tend to over-use the word "kill" and they have these carnal desires---like I hear of people bursting out in anger during ramadan if they suspect someone of not fasting [18:04] scientes I mean, overcoming carnel desires is what the whole fast is about, so if that is a problem I think you are doing the religion wrong [18:06] scientes and I have met at least one Arab man that had the Koran memorized but swore he was a Christian and not a muslim [18:06] MinceR maybe for them it's not about that [18:06] scientes he had seen enough of this carnal desire I talk of [18:06] MinceR but about keeping to the letter of a "law" (as far as other people know) [18:06] XRevan86 scientes: I think it's the inability to openly admit that being overly faithful is not actually a good thing. [18:06] MinceR so that you get to kill other people for not obeying that "law" [18:07] scientes XRevan86, I see it as an inability to recognize Christianity as part of their religion [18:07] MinceR or at least so you get to feel superior to people who are actually good people and not abrahamics [18:07] XRevan86 If a person acts on the Bible a bit too much, even the most Christian countries will jail the heck out of them. [18:07] scientes and that animosity goes back a LONG time [18:07] MinceR depends on who that person is [18:08] MinceR if viktor orban did (of which there is no great threat), he'd not be punished [18:08] scientes XRevan86, or they will put them in the army [18:09] XRevan86 I'm not considering the social class aspect here. [18:09] scientes scientes: I think it's the inability to openly admit that being overly faithful is not actually a good thing. [18:09] scientes but yeah this really goes at the core of the problems with islam [18:09] scientes you gets lots of names like "abdullah" (slave to god) [18:10] scientes or just 3/4 of the boys having some version of mohammed as their name [18:10] scientes even Mexico with all the Jesses is not that bad [18:11] scientes and then I read that piety was once a social status thing in Turkey, before neoliberalism came in [18:11] MinceR jesii [18:11] scientes this was a 1950s US commentary [18:11] MinceR i didn't realize Kemal Atatrk was a neoliberalist :> [18:11] scientes and that it was a high honour to have a guest room to be able to take in lodgers [18:12] XRevan86 What do these religious countries do with people who kill their children saying God told them to? [18:12] XRevan86 as a test of their faith [18:12] scientes XRevan86, the Koran actually says that if a woman comes to you crazy they must pledge they are not a child-murderer [18:13] scientes before you take them in [18:13] XRevan86 scientes: heh [18:14] scientes "to commit neither theft, nor adultery, nor child-murder, to utter no monstrous falsehoods of their own invention, and to disobey you in nothing reasonable....60:12 (She who is tested) [18:14] MinceR is it murder of "God" tells you to do it, though? [18:15] MinceR s/of/if/ [18:17] scientes Yeah, while the Koran is constantly stressing the compassion and mercy and forgiveness of God, when it says to not kill your children it does not say that [18:17] scientes but that it is a grievous sin [18:17] scientes and you have to realize this is a ubiquitous part of Christian society [18:17] scientes with all the unwanted-baby-drop-points [18:18] MinceR inconsistency? [18:18] scientes (and also the whole story of Moses floating down the river) [18:18] MinceR it is an integral part of all abrahamic religion [18:23] Ariadne schestowitz: wow [18:24] schestowitz pleroma? [18:24] Ariadne yeah [18:24] Ariadne back to writing my own wayland compositor so i can get work done [18:25] XRevan86 https://smbc-comics.com/comic/creation 18+ [18:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Creation [18:32] scientes https://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/288438/Azerbaijani_soldiers_filmed_beheading_elderly_Armenian_man [18:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Azerbaijani soldiers filmed beheading elderly Armenian man - PanARMENIAN.Net [18:34] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [18:35] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [18:40] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/2007297 [18:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4788990) [18:40] scientes https://oc-media.org/features/violets-for-megabytes-online-learning-in-georgia-leaves-students-disconnected/ [18:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-oc-media.org | Violets for megabytes: online learning in Georgia leaves students disconnected [18:40] scientes this is a travesty [18:41] scientes the entire parliment needs to be replaced for letting this happen [18:41] scientes a government that cannot provide education is not a government [18:41] scientes and the corruption with Microsoft is disgusting [18:44] scientes I see teenagers just hanging around, not knowing what to do [18:44] schestowitz Microsoft IS corruption [18:44] scientes this is what happened in Weimer republic [18:45] scientes I life with one of these teenagers [18:45] scientes and education has basically ceased [18:45] scientes and the soviet education system, that was still functioning quite well, has now ceased functioning [18:45] scientes because of microsoft and neoliberal influence [18:46] scientes I am pretty angry about it [18:52] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/20072853 [18:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4788228) [18:54] scientes No female conceives or gives birth without His knowledge.--Koran 35:11 [18:54] scientes MinceR, ^ [18:57] MinceR weird fetish ● Dec 19 [19:00] XRevan86 Oh shite, he doesn't know, I guess I won't give birth then. [19:00] XRevan86 I had to consider it but if he doesn't know, he doesn't know. [19:01] scientes I had to consider it but if he doesn't know, he doesn't know. [19:01] scientes exactly [19:01] scientes the Koran is actually amazingly rational [19:01] scientes like the resurrection boils down to male and female sperm [19:02] MinceR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POJdu4HV-Ng [19:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Sound of Muslims - YouTube [19:02] scientes yeah you have posted that before [19:02] XRevan86 scientes: What if he died without knowing? [19:02] scientes so what? [19:03] scientes this isn't a science paper (although there are an abundance of idiots that try to treat it that way) [19:03] XRevan86 scientes: Can't give birth then. [19:04] scientes XRevan86, yeah, but it also says that fasting is mandatory, but that does that mean that you should last out at those you suspect of not fasting? [19:04] scientes et cetera [19:04] XRevan86 scientes: A caricature on Mr. Prophet? Have to kill the author now. [19:04] XRevan86 Show no mercy. [19:04] scientes Show no mercy. [19:05] XRevan86 to the enemies of Faith [19:05] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [19:05] scientes thar we go [19:05] scientes religions are neither good nor bad, they are religions. Those buddhist monks are still massacring people in Bangladesh [19:06] scientes but buddhists have too good of PR in Western propoganda for that to fit into people's realm of acceptable facts [19:06] MinceR religion poisons the mind [19:06] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [19:06] MinceR and spreads [19:06] scientes it certainly can [19:06] scientes but I think that just points out that religion is a technology [19:06] scientes it is neigher good nor bad [19:06] MinceR no, it's a disease [19:07] MinceR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlsSiEpZMQY [19:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Command -&- Conquer OST - 02 - No Mercy - YouTube [19:07] XRevan86 scientes: It's a technology of manipulation of the human mind. [19:07] scientes XRevan86, so is most things [19:07] XRevan86 https://lurkmore.so/images/5/51/Ppsssz.jpg [19:07] scientes except the autonomic nervous system [19:07] XRevan86 Remembered this for some reason :) [19:08] scientes HAHAHAHAHA [19:08] scientes have you see the Over the Moon movie? [19:08] scientes Ms Alla de La Luna [19:08] scientes and a number of other names [19:08] MinceR :) [19:08] XRevan86 scientes: No. Is it good? [19:08] XRevan86 > The film received generally positive reviews [19:10] scientes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvRcb2Eu6Mw [19:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Rocket To The Moon Karaoke Sing Along Song Over the Moon | Netflix Futures - YouTube [19:11] XRevan86 I've got a ticket to the Moon [19:13] XRevan86 scientes: Not good singing. [19:13] XRevan86 well, it's not bad, but I can tell it's flawed [19:13] scientes Chinese is the primary language [19:13] XRevan86 scientes: Ah, that explains it. [19:13] scientes despite not being a chinese movie [19:14] XRevan86 why it's so wonky, it's trying to be tonal [19:14] scientes Chang'e is the name of the Chinese lunar rover [19:14] scientes nah, that's just it being a childrens song [19:14] scientes a little too slow [19:15] scientes this singing is better [19:15] scientes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRFROTUEQ8o [19:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Aitana - Volar (De La Pelcula De Netflix "Ms All De La Luna") - YouTube [19:15] scientes of the same song [19:16] XRevan86 scientes: Yes, it is. [19:22] scientes I am sure you could find it in russian [19:22] scientes so you will get differn't song [19:23] scientes https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5959008 [19:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-?????? ? ?? / Over the Moon (?? ?? / Glen Keane, ?? ?? / John Kahrs) [2020, ???, ??, ??????, ???, ?????, ????, ????, WEB-DLRip] Dub (?????) :: RuTracker.org [19:23] XRevan86 scientes: I don't trust Russian dubbing in general. [19:23] XRevan86 it's bad until proven good [19:23] scientes often amateur? [19:24] XRevan86 Often not even trying. [19:24] scientes I got that in Per, amateur spanish dubs that were horrible [19:24] scientes on the buses [19:24] scientes *inter-city buses [19:24] scientes they did try however, I do know what you are talking about with Russian character where they wouldn't even try [19:25] scientes they even bothered to put in spanish idioms like "pan comida" (as easy as eating bread) [19:25] scientes or "a piece of cake" [19:26] scientes XRevan86, but if you go to the teatre the dub is good? [19:26] scientes I mean, at least in St. Petersberg. [19:27] scientes I went to a cinema in Puno, Per that was almost a brothel, but bring-your-own-woman. [19:27] XRevan86 scientes: My grudge is mostly over TV series. [19:27] scientes I guess it would be more a cinema-love hotel duo. [19:27] scientes yeah, but TV series are always horrible in all respects [19:27] kingoffrance religions are neither good nor bad, woodland critter christmas lol only Daemon will get my reference [19:27] XRevan86 but it spread to everything [19:28] DaemonFC[m] Knowledge in the biblical sense. [19:28] XRevan86 There's something annoying about words like "read" and "spread". [19:28] scientes its English [19:28] scientes I should take a picture of the menu of this new hamburger stand [19:29] DaemonFC[m] Cyberpunk 2077 was such a disaster that every store that sold it is making exceptions to their normal return policy. [19:29] scientes it is half-phonetic [19:29] scientes it is actually better than if they had used spell check [19:29] scientes "Koffee" [19:29] scientes et cetera [19:29] XRevan86 In Classical Latin C and K were equivalent. [19:30] scientes it is just that they know cyrillic and georgian, and the concept of a phonetic language not being phonetic would be silly to them [19:30] scientes (as it is) [19:30] DaemonFC[m] It may look like Fallout New Vegas but at least it needs a $600 graphics card. Because modern. [19:31] DaemonFC[m] Fallout New Vegas could be even better if they open sourced the engine, obviously. [19:31] scientes write read [19:31] DaemonFC[m] There's the GECK which makes new levels or even a completely new game, but the binaries are getting up there in age. [19:31] scientes English is insanity [19:32] scientes I play the cello [19:32] scientes more insanity [19:32] scientes what not chello? BECAUSE [19:32] XRevan86 I played you, Cello! [19:32] scientes Cello plays you! [19:33] XRevan86 In Soviet Russia Cello plays ON YOU [19:33] *scientes blames it on on the Dutch [19:33] scientes being the first to widely print the English language [19:34] XRevan86 But it is "playing *on* a violin", right? [19:34] scientes (and the first to widely print non-Latin texts---a few Chinese texts also got widely printed) [19:35] scientes XRevan86, you are right [19:35] scientes Play on a violin [19:35] scientes but Play a cello [19:35] scientes insanity [19:35] XRevan86 scientes: Does one play a violoncello or on a violoncello? [19:35] scientes maybe it is because a violin is sort of horizontal [19:35] scientes no idea [19:35] scientes every other language uses violincello [19:35] scientes as the name [19:36] scientes but that is not really that strange [19:36] XRevan86 'cello is a contraction from violoncello [19:36] scientes as pianoforte is the only name of that instrument that makes any sense at all [19:36] XRevan86 Both are correct in English. [19:36] scientes piano just means "soft" in italian [19:36] scientes or quitly [19:36] scientes quietly [19:36] XRevan86 scientes: I know it as fortepiano [19:36] scientes reallly? [19:37] scientes it was always the other way around [19:37] scientes pianoforte [19:37] scientes http://www.gutenberg.org/files/161/161-h/161-h.htm [19:37] XRevan86 scientes: I think I saw it this way in English, and it's the more formal word in Russian. [19:37] scientes chapter 5 [19:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gutenberg.org | Sense and Sensibility [19:37] DaemonFC[m] Someone started a GitHub repo six years ago claiming they would write an open source Fallout New Vegas engine in C# and then never did more than upload a license file. [19:38] scientes that is certainly a strange Russian reversal [19:38] XRevan86 Wiktionary says that pianino is a subset of fortepiano's [19:38] *scientes has only ever seen pianoforte [19:39] XRevan86 scientes: It's a loan from Italian though. [19:39] scientes https://www.wordreference.com/definicion/pianoforte [19:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pianoforte - Definicin - WordReference.com [19:39] XRevan86 both fortepiano and pianino [19:39] scientes XRevan86, it just means soft-load for gods sake [19:39] scientes loud [19:39] scientes because it was an improvement over the harpsicord [19:40] XRevan86 scientes: It's definitely not a Russian reversal, the order is loaned. [19:40] XRevan86 I can't tell which order works better in Italian. [19:40] scientes hmm I wonder why English always has it the one way [19:41] scientes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVtkxtwWr5M [19:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bach - Sonata for viola da gamba in D major BWV 1028 - Van der Velden | Netherlands Bach Society - YouTube [19:41] scientes ^^harpsicord lameness [19:41] DaemonFC[m] I think that what happened with Mono where Microsoft made a product out of it is pretty funny. [19:41] scientes you really can only play calm music like that with the harpsicord [19:41] scientes even when it has steal fucking strings [19:41] DaemonFC[m] They're not actually pushing their code hard except to release classes that Mono didn't support well. [19:41] scientes *steel [19:42] scientes although they were probably rusty iron ones then [19:42] XRevan86 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortepiano https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano [19:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Fortepiano - Wikipedia [19:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Piano - Wikipedia [19:42] XRevan86 My mind is broken. [19:42] XRevan86 > Not to be confused with Pianoforte (Piano). [19:42] scientes hahahahahaha! [19:42] scientes what idiots [19:43] XRevan86 That's even better than "The most common type of velocipede today is the bicycle. " [19:43] scientes wikipedia is clearly wrong [19:44] MinceR "That's clearly wrong." [19:44] XRevan86 A Arbitrary Distinctions [19:47] scientes also, wikipedia won't let you fix things like this anymore [19:47] scientes as their auto-detect-vandalism-bot will kick in [19:47] XRevan86 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fortepiano#English "A keyboard instrument; the smaller, quieter, precursor to the pianoforte." [19:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | fortepiano - Wiktionary [19:47] XRevan86 They're very sure about that anyway. [19:48] XRevan86 It's probably some musical industry concensus anyway. You can't just chime in and way "this makes no sense, why did you ever think that's a good idea?" [19:48] scientes it is wrong [19:48] scientes the article is self-contradictory [19:49] XRevan86 Pediwikia: the smaller, quieter, precursor to the Wikipedia. [19:49] scientes XRevan86, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortepiano [19:49] scientes looks like it stuck [19:50] XRevan86 Medvied': precursor to Vedmied' [19:50] scientes nope [19:50] scientes auto-reverted [19:50] XRevan86 Metathesis can make a lot more examples like that. [19:51] scientes that is all wikipedia is anymore anyways [19:51] scientes grammer nazis [19:56] scientes XRevan86, it is also just the way musicians (don't) think [19:56] scientes I should say SOME ● Dec 19 [20:00] scientes actually the piano article does nail on about that non-sense [20:00] scientes that is musician crazy for you [20:00] scientes or rather The Little Prince crazy [20:00] scientes that exists in musician world because it is not strictly engineering dicipline [20:02] scientes I guess we have the same thing with historians that they had to rename "the other rome" because it was stealing all the glory (and was held by infidels). [20:14] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/24/fdf7f1e4e1d28d5a.jpg [20:18] *xvx has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) ● Dec 19 [21:10] MinceR (cat) (audio:irrelevant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/23/e76ff4f5663ca556.mp4 [21:33] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/24/cbb80042dbc7822c.jpg [21:46] *kupi has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) ● Dec 19 [22:06] MinceR (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/24/ae364763bee4df04.mp4 [22:28] schestowitz is that Lamborghini? [22:29] MinceR could be [22:31] schestowitz #linuxfoundation brain drain https://twitter.com/wget42/status/1340376136036065281 [22:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wget42: You spelled it wrong. You surely meant The Microsoft Foundation right? https://t.co/4Z7vZRtkcw [22:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Microwavables: Personal News: Today is my last day at The Linux Foundation/CNCF. Another opportunity came my way that I just could https://t.co/GONd9CH4aD [22:31] schestowitz https://twitter.com/wget42/status/1340377642172895234 [22:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wget42: https://t.co/yYFIcFhsC4 cc @schestowitz [22:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 500 @ https://techrights.org/2019/06/25/linux-foundation-weakens-self/ ) [22:32] schestowitz https://twitter.com/jrobertson/status/1340362735415123969 [22:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jrobertson: @schestowitz Clown Computing will never pass, providing, ignorant customers see it as just another utility. [22:33] MinceR users of that site certainly think it's a lamborghini [22:33] schestowitz they look like plastic to me, the material [22:33] schestowitz very overpriced [22:33] schestowitz for being too low and noisy [22:35] MinceR yeah [22:36] MinceR pretty much the only thing lamborghini gets right is the look [22:36] MinceR the rest of the volkswagen group doesn't do well even at that [22:36] schestowitz https://twitter.com/remind2self/status/1340220879733604353 [22:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@remind2self: @schestowitz Me too, what the hell @Microsoft https://t.co/umMfc9zESg [22:41] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/24/4b22c0eb1d2e8043.jpg [22:42] schestowitz zoobab: http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2020/12/18/german-bundesrat-approves-ratification-of-unified-patent-court-agreement/#comments [22:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | German Bundesrat approves ratification of Unified Patent Court Agreement - Kluwer Patent Blog [22:42] schestowitz see bottom [22:42] schestowitz " [22:42] schestowitz Of If no complaints are filed, two more countries will have to ratify (or otherwise consent to) the PPA for the provisional application phase to come into force, what does the Vienna Convention on Treaties say? [22:42] schestowitz Vienna Convention on Treaties, Article 24, Entry into force says: [22:42] schestowitz 24.1. A treaty enters into force in such manner and upon such date as it may provide or as the negotiating States may agree. [22:42] schestowitz But, the requirement for UK ratification, that the UPC Agreement provides, has not been satisfied. [22:42] schestowitz 24.2. Failing any such provision or agreement, a treaty enters into force as soon as consent to be bound by the treaty has been established for all the negotiating States. [22:42] schestowitz But, all the negotiating states, which include the UK, have not given such consent. [22:42] schestowitz Could the UPC Agreement be amended to allow entry into force without UK ratification? Article 39 allows amendment? [22:42] schestowitz Article 39: A treaty may be amended by agreement between the parties. The rules laid down in Part II apply to such an agreement except insofar as the treaty may otherwise provide. [22:42] schestowitz It requires agreement between the parties. That includes the UK. [22:42] schestowitz Is there such an agreement? [22:42] schestowitz " ● Dec 19 [23:14] *IanJ (~IanJ@cpc137950-brom13-2-0-cust104.16-1.cable.virginm.net) has joined #techrights [23:16] *gry| (~test@unaffiliated/gryllida) has joined #techrights [23:17] *gry has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [23:19] *gry| is now known as gry [23:34] *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/OLbJGfoNidjwbioTMMXmHhLc/message.txt > [23:37] *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/McoYecZMgZzcLcphsEjdZifw/message.txt > [23:52] psydroid They are being forced to design their chips due to the cost advantage AWS has with Graviton instances compared to Intel and AMD instances. So if they aren't able to compete there, more layoffs will be coming. [23:56] schestowitz interesting [23:58] schestowitz I am doing an article about it, DaemonFC[m] [23:59] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: well said