●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, March 20, 2022 ●● ● Mar 20 [00:00] immibis protecting the state at all costs sounds like a fascist thing [00:00] MinceR this wouldn't be the only way in which marxism was proven to be wrong [00:00] matey putin <3 stalin (but probably for real) [00:00] immibis reminder: tankies are not communists, they are just fascists wearing communist clothes for good optics [00:00] MinceR putler expressed nostalgia for the USSR [00:00] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:00] matey protecting the state at all costs sounds like a fascist thing <- its a totalitarian thing. fascism is a product of capitalism. [00:00] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162757 [00:00] XRevan86 MinceR: That can be attributed to his populism. [00:00] matey stalins regime was bonapartist [00:00] matey fascism is totalitarian too [00:00] XRevan86 When it comes to rhetoric, he's a huge populist. [00:01] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [00:01] MinceR XRevan86: it does suggest that he wishes he could annex the rest of the eastern bloc though [00:01] matey putler expressed nostalgia for the USSR <- putlers regime is to stalinism what gemini is to gopher [00:01] matey sorry gemini, didnt mean it like that [00:01] XRevan86 A lot of ex-USSR autocrats are like that. Lukashenko's free time was all populism. [00:01] MinceR lol [00:01] immibis maybe bonapartism is just fascism before it was called fascism [00:01] TR News Videos/Shows: This Week in Linux, AppImages, Going Linux, and Nvidia Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162758 [00:01] TR News Videos/Shows: This Week in Linux, AppImages, Going Linux, and Nvidia Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162758 [00:02] matey maybe bonapartism is just fascism before it was <- no, fascism was already called that [00:02] matey and bonapartism doesnt turn into fascism (but it does sometimes jump into bed with it) [00:02] matey again the two are very similar [00:02] matey the quibble is over accuracy [00:02] immibis bonapartism: 1852. fascism: 1880 [00:02] TR Bot Videos/Shows: This Week in Linux, AppImages, Going Linux, and Nvidia | Tux Machines [00:02] matey bonapartism: 1852 <- i mean that was the one that the word comes from of course [00:02] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@yw4uadn4c3y84.irc) has joined #techrights [00:03] XRevan86 > The term has been used more generally for a political movement that advocated an authoritarian centralised state, with a strongman charismatic leader based on anti-elitist rhetoric, army support, as well as conservatism. [00:03] XRevan86 That is not Putin. [00:03] *CrystalMath (~coderain@ifk5m6nrs42y6.irc) has joined #techrights [00:03] TR News "Eight days of news, and still not a lot that's super Linux on Mobile specific. At least there's been another Ubuntu Touch Q&A, another postmarketOS Service Pack, and it looks like that really need to find the time to have a look at Capyloon." https://linmob.net/weekly-update-11-2022/ [00:03] TR Bot - Weekly Update (11/2022): A RISC-V handheld, Fedora on the PinePhone Pro, Precursor shipping and new releases of SailfishOS, libhandy and libadwaita [00:03] immibis TIL Trump is bonapartist [00:03] matey trump was right wing [00:04] matey my guess is fascist, but i didnt pay as much attention to trump as others [00:04] immibis specifically, bonapartist, according to that definition. Authoritarian and centralized? check. Strongman, charistmatic? Check. Anti-elitist rhetoric? check. Army support? no clue. Conservatism? well duh [00:04] TR News "On March 20, 2022 curl turns 24 years old." https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/20/curl-is-now-24/ still needs to Delete GitHub http://techrights.org/wiki/Delete_Github [00:04] Alternative link Cloudflare: haxx.se | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/20/curl-is-now-24/ [00:04] TR Bot is now 24 | daniel.haxx.se [00:04] TR Bot Delete Github - Techrights [00:04] immibis sounds like the only difference from fascism is just anti-elitist rhetoric [00:04] immibis not even actual anti-elitism [00:04] activelow fascism = violent force and death penalty; that's one line to be drawm, for definition [00:05] MinceR not much of a difference in the age when rhetoric changes on a dime :> [00:05] MinceR or even contradicts itself [00:05] matey i would be content if people considered (left open) a possibility (any at all) that putin is not fascist per se but in fact something with a great deal of similiartary TO fascism [00:05] TR News Is r/linux a cult of deranged hallucinogen addicts? Are they dangerous? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162759 [00:05] matey however if thats not possible, i cant say its a pet theory-- its a quibble [00:05] XRevan86 immibis: What Putin has is not really army support. [00:05] MinceR orban likes to pretend to be with terrorussia and the NATO at the same time [00:05] immibis matey: that is absolutely a quibble over semantics [00:05] activelow with the guillotine, death penalty was civilized in france, in comparison to former habits [00:05] matey matey: that is absolutely a quibble over semantic <- its a quibble over accuracy [00:05] TR Bot Is r/linux a cult of deranged hallucinogen addicts? Are they dangerous? | Tux Machines [00:05] matey but you can call it semantics [00:06] matey at any rate it does nothing to me if people call putin a fascist [00:06] matey i was sure someone asked a question, and i answered it [00:06] matey if they disagree, thats okay [00:06] TR News Weird ramble, but typical from ultimate edition http://ultimateedition.info/darkness-settles-in/ [00:06] TR Bot Darkness Settles In. - Ultimate Edition [00:07] XRevan86 It doesn't really matter, it's a dictatorship. [00:07] matey It doesn't really matter, it's a dictatorship <- this is not an idle point [00:07] XRevan86 maybe fascist, maybe not [00:08] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Quit: I expect to be back tomorrow) [00:08] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@sy7ss5msyeqgk.irc) has joined #techrights [00:09] immibis it's 2022. fascism is when the government does stuff. [00:09] immibis fascist communism [00:09] MinceR >$(date +%Y) [00:09] immibis capitalism is when microsoft does stuff [00:09] MinceR i thought capitalism was everything that's bad [00:10] activelow it's when anyone got more money than you [00:10] matey turns out deformed communism is bad too [00:10] immibis on twitter the conservatives are complaining that wellington residents aren't eating at restaurants because of covid [00:10] immibis turns out there's a minimum quota of avocado toast [00:10] MinceR well, others having more money than me is bad, hence, capitalism [00:10] MinceR what, millennials are killing avocado toast now? [00:10] immibis capitalism is when you have to eat avocado toast, which is the reason you can't have a house [00:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [00:10] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.45 k/sec., IPFS upstream 23.76 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.28 [00:10] immibis MinceR: yes [00:10] matey let them eat toast! [00:10] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.45 k/sec., IPFS upstream 23.76 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.28 [00:11] immibis or rather, their lack of avocado toast demand is killing businesses [00:11] XRevan86 Putin's Russia is not really fascist albeit it does share a lot of traits. [00:11] MinceR apparently there are multiple definitions of "fascist" [00:11] matey avocado toast is killing the cafe industry (and its illegal) [00:12] XRevan86 MinceR: Fascism implies a very militarised society. [00:12] immibis fascism is when millenials won't buy avocado toast [00:12] XRevan86 Russia is disorder incarnate. [00:12] DaemonFC https://www.investopedia.com/irs-unveils-voice-and-chat-bots-to-assist-taxpayers-5222614 [00:12] Alternative link Cloudflare: investopedia.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.investopedia.com/irs-unveils-voice-and-chat-bots-to-assist-taxpayers-5222614 [00:12] TR Bot IRS Unveils Voice and Chat Bots to Assist Taxpayers [00:12] chicksahoy is this boomerights? [00:12] MinceR lol [00:12] matey it is now that roy turned 40 [00:12] DaemonFC "It looks like you're screaming and jumping up and down that we put a lien on your car. Want some help?" -Clippy Voice [00:12] chicksahoy matey: fair enough [00:12] matey free walking frames are available by the door [00:13] matey please dont use them in a war. [00:14] chicksahoy im a 37 year old millenial [00:14] matey note that debian forbids anyone who wishes to maintain dd status from contributing to projects that will be used by the dept of defence (including ironcically, red hat) [00:14] *gooseheaded has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:15] matey but we are making an exception for ukraine because we chose that side as having a right to defend themselves (which i agree with, but this could get very stupid VERY quickly) [00:15] schestowitz-TR red hat inclusive of ANY malicious company [00:15] matey next time we might decide saudi arabia is in the right, and only canada has no right to defend itself [00:15] MinceR XRevan86: at least two definitions i've come across do not imply a militarized society [00:15] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/04/24/raytheon-blessed-by-red-hat/ [00:15] TR Bot Giving Awards to Raytheon Wont Help Red Hats Image | Techrights [00:15] MinceR 20 011304 < matey> please dont use them in a war. [00:15] matey i thought raytheon invented cobol [00:15] MinceR damn, i was about to weld a walking frame technical. [00:16] matey mincer youre being unethical, youve received a warning [00:16] MinceR lol [00:16] matey libreplanet is mother, libreplanet is father [00:16] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:16] MinceR cancel me baby [00:16] matey ohho, not here, there are more "secluded" channels for that [00:17] matey microsoft <3 [redacted] [00:17] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [00:17] XRevan86 MinceR: The closest thing Russia has to fascism are an oppressive regime and militarist symbolism. [00:18] matey and lots of rocks [00:18] CrystalMath XRevan86: if it was't disorder incarnate, i wouldn't like it :P [00:18] MinceR microsoft, the cognitive hazard [00:18] matey there were some trees but pudding sold them all [00:18] CrystalMath i like to think that i am disorder incarnate [00:18] matey god the straight line is strong with him [00:18] chicksahoy CrystalMath: i love ur name [00:18] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@yw4uadn4c3y84.irc) has joined #techrights [00:18] MinceR GeneralDisarray [00:18] XRevan86 CrystalMath: The political regime is very centralised however. [00:18] CrystalMath chicksahoy: thanks :) [00:18] XRevan86 It just lives by the Orwellian rules of not really touching the prolls. [00:19] chicksahoy CrystalMath: no prob :) [00:19] matey XRevan86 i dont think it has to touch them to shoot them per se [00:19] matey "look if they were standing in the way of the bullet thats their business" [00:19] matey "i never laid a finger on them" [00:20] XRevan86 matey: What I mean is that the extent of central control begins and ends on power. [00:20] matey yes it does [00:22] chicksahoy CrystalMath: have you ever seen breaking bad? [00:23] XRevan86 CrystalMath: What's your opinion on people being crushed for publicly showing disagreement with war? [00:24] matey when did that happen [00:24] XRevan86 Err, not literally crushed. [00:24] matey even non-literally [00:26] DaemonFC schestowitz, https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/03/20/irs-gives-giant-middle-finger-to-customers-with-chat-bot-software/ [00:26] TR Bot IRS gives giant middle finger to customers with chat bot software. BaronHK's Rants [00:26] matey unless youre talking about the newsperson [00:26] matey that was awesome [00:26] XRevan86 matey: https://mk.ru/incident/2022/03/18/zhitelya-krasnodara-zaderzhali-za-plevok-v-plakat-s-bukvoy-z.html [00:26] TR Bot Z - [00:27] matey XRevan86 i thought you were talking about something else entirely [00:27] matey thanks for the link [00:27] matey also i havent heard of this one, i was thinking of the person who got fined that was an editor on russian news [00:28] matey who thankfully is still alive (but probably shouldnt drink tea ever again) [00:28] XRevan86 matey: There were several news about regular people being found after disrespecting the war publicly. [00:29] XRevan86 Seems widespread. [00:29] DaemonFC Next up, XRevan86 turns on the Russian Boob tubesky to hear SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE! SOYLENT GREEN IS MADE FROM PEEEEEOPLE! [00:29] matey thats the sad truth-- you stand up to mass murder in a totalitarian regime your days are likely numbered [00:29] matey theyre all heroes of course [00:30] matey Seems widesprea <- i was unaware that the numbers were climbing [00:30] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [00:31] XRevan86 The police are happy with fining people left and right. [00:31] matey the police are never on the side of the people [00:31] matey even when they are [00:31] DaemonFC The police are happy with fining people left and right. [00:31] matey theyre still not [00:31] DaemonFC Sounds like Chicago.... [00:31] matey they will always have the same masters [00:32] DaemonFC Black people seem to just let the fines pile up. [00:32] matey and they will even believe otherwise themselves [00:32] XRevan86 DaemonFC: Any spitting on symbols of war in Chicago? [00:32] DaemonFC Until they owe the city $30,000 worth of unpaid tickets. [00:32] XRevan86 Didn't realise this discussion is about black people. [00:32] DaemonFC "Have you tried slowing down and not parking in a fire zone?" [00:32] TR News "I've been quiet here for a bit, as I've decided to write solely in the gopherspace for the foreseeable future. If you're a fellow gopher, you can find me on a couple of the popular aggregators." gemini://rfmpie.smol.pub/to-gopher [00:32] matey if you ask daemonfc, antarctica is about black people [00:32] DaemonFC I got a letter one day from the city and opened it before I realized it wasn't mine. [00:33] matey or it will be, just wait [00:33] DaemonFC They were still chasing down some woman for tickets all the way back to 2004 and wanted $3,000 to settle them. [00:33] TR News The Trouble with PowerPoint gemini://tilde.team/~steve/blog/powerpoint.gmi [00:34] DaemonFC It's like "What's even the point? They don't pay. You're going to fine them again?" [00:34] matey they will always have the same masters <- the same mains [00:34] DaemonFC They just passed another law with the Big Black Cauc(us). [00:34] DaemonFC No revocation of your driver's license for unpaid fines anymore. [00:34] DaemonFC They were pulling over so many people for no license that they had to put them in jail at that point. [00:34] DaemonFC :/ [00:34] DaemonFC That doesn't make the state money either, so that had to go. [00:35] MinceR with DaemonFC, every discussion is about black people lately [00:35] immibis lately? always [00:35] XRevan86 How many years is "lately"? [00:35] matey you know whats fun that schestowitz cant do [00:36] matey but maybe he can (nope) [00:36] matey schestowitz cant take what kuhn is saying about a second code of conduct [00:36] matey look at the fsfs "ethical" requirements [00:36] matey put 2 and 2 together, and realise that the fsf did what kuhn wanted even before libreplanet did [00:37] matey you know why? because we have to address the fsf with kid gloves [00:37] XRevan86 matey: He told DaemonFC to go with this to a different channel, but he's not willing to enforce. [00:37] matey kuhn wants (maybe) a second code of conduct under the guise of ethical standards (in lieu of shitty non-free licensing) [00:37] XRevan86 Many-many times. [00:37] DaemonFC XRevan86 was talking about the police and fines. [00:37] matey the fsf JUST implemented that in january [00:38] DaemonFC If they could enforce all of their toothless fines that they impose here, they'd be rolling in money. [00:38] matey a second code of conduct in the guise of ethical standards [00:38] XRevan86 DaemonFC: I was talking about suppression of speech and free consciousness. [00:38] DaemonFC We'd go from bankrupt state with Russian credit rating to the biggest surplus in America. [00:38] matey kuhn doesnt run the fsf, he just wants credit for what they did to the board [00:38] MinceR well, maybe the SJWs could fuck off, stop poisoning free software and do their own thing [00:38] MinceR i wouldn't miss them [00:38] matey MinceR ffs what do you think an sjw is FOR anyway? [00:38] immibis MinceR: you sound like DaemonFC but about sjws instead of black people [00:38] MinceR unfortunately, i'm not sure if they could take their corporate benefactors with them [00:38] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: he did use other channels on occasions [00:39] XRevan86 immibis: No, MinceR's fixation is systemd [00:39] MinceR they don't even seem to like copyleft very much, how would they feel about "ethical" requirements? [00:39] matey schestowitz-TR: kuhn is asking for something thats already been granted [00:39] MinceR apparently i have many fixations :> [00:39] matey this is after i read the whole thing and had a day to think about it. [00:39] DaemonFC mjg59_ annoys me greatly, in the sense that he's like Arnold Rimmer after the polymorph got him and turned him into a hippie that proposed a leaflet campaign to defeat the polymorph. [00:40] matey MinceR's fixation is systemd <- no, systemd is a fixture (albeit a broken fixture) [00:40] schestowitz MinceR: gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D177.jpg [00:40] schestowitz gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D535.jpg [00:40] DaemonFC SJWs just shouldn't be a thing because they're an obstacle to solving problems. [00:40] schestowitz caged [00:40] MinceR :3 [00:40] DaemonFC They give you more problems. [00:40] DaemonFC Instead of fixing the crime, you're not allowed to talk about the crime. Everything is solved at that point. [00:41] matey systemd will eventually be replaced by 3 seashells [00:41] XRevan86 matey: What I mean is that MinceR can make a discussion about systemd from almost anything. [00:41] immibis DaemonFC: you are an obstacle to solving problems [00:41] schestowitz matey: sheeshtem dee [00:41] matey XRevan86: to be fair, systemd is incredibly difficult to avoid altogether [00:41] schestowitz matey: sheeshtem doo doo [00:41] matey its pretty much everywhere you look [00:41] MinceR schestowitz: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/49/ff/aa/49ffaabc52270b428a6040aee54f0e62.jpg [00:41] Alternative link Cloudflare: pinimg.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.pinimg.com/originals/49/ff/aa/49ffaabc52270b428a6040aee54f0e62.jpg [00:42] DaemonFC They should have Mr. Gulag picking up trash on the side of the road as penance for crapflooding Reddit. [00:42] DaemonFC It's a big enough cesspit without any extra help. [00:42] XRevan86 matey: If I bring up package management in Debian, it doesn't mean I want to talk about how that's systemd's fault. [00:42] schestowitz MinceR: http://techrights.org/2021/09/03/rigging-epo-elections/ [00:42] TR Bot [Meme] The Rigga From Riga | Techrights [00:42] matey matey: If I bring up package management in Debian, it doesn't mean I want to talk about how that's systemd's fault. <- expecting mincer to not talk about systemd is like expecting daemonfc to not blame systemd on black people [00:43] immibis it's probably the people in the gulags who are writing the trash. 50 ruble party [00:43] XRevan86 matey: So that's my idea of a fixation. [00:43] DaemonFC IBM doesn't have any blacks. [00:43] matey and its correct, i was just having fun with it [00:43] XRevan86 matey: Eeeexactly. [00:43] DaemonFC So systemd is something that you can't blame on blacks. [00:44] DaemonFC Like most of Mr. Goolag's employers, there's either no blacks or just enough to maybe keep the Equal Opportunity Employment Commission away. [00:44] DaemonFC Like lettuce on a one pound hamburger from Hardees, overflowing with cheese. [00:44] TR News #LateStageCapitalism https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/03/20/irs-gives-giant-middle-finger-to-customers-with-chat-bot-software/ [00:44] DaemonFC A figleaf. [00:44] TR Bot IRS gives giant middle finger to customers with chat bot software. BaronHK's Rants [00:45] DaemonFC Goolag is 4% black and it likes keeping them wherever they're at, apparently, which is away from the C level executive bathroom. [00:45] matey the good news is that fixating on systemd isnt unethical (unlike weaponising a walking frame, which is NEVER okay) [00:45] DaemonFC But even that's a higher number than IBM. [00:46] DaemonFC Goolag has separate but equal cubicles, you see. [00:46] DaemonFC Mr. Goolag tried to change it to get rid of the whites only drinking fountains, with the union. [00:47] DaemonFC And then left in frustration when the effort petered out. [00:47] matey /me quietly adds "dont be evil" to the fsd and sees if any good comes of it [00:47] matey /me moves it to the debian ethical guidelines and fixes everything [00:47] XRevan86 matey: true [00:47] MinceR deadian is probably beyond fixing already [00:47] matey no disagreement whatsoever [00:48] matey but its not too late to make it worse [00:48] MinceR :> [00:48] DaemonFC Goolag Searches are enhanced. You get a free Klan Rally with every Google One subscription. [00:48] XRevan86 MinceR: :D [00:48] matey actually i do disagree slightly [00:48] matey id strike "probably" from what you said [00:48] MinceR that's hardly a disagreement :> [00:49] DaemonFC In the very progressive city state of San Francisco, nobody will ever accuse them of not being liberals. [00:49] matey when i say slightly, i really mean it [00:49] DaemonFC They're so progressive, in fact, that the mounds of human shit on the sidewalks are because they tax themselves to use public restrooms. [00:49] DaemonFC Just to make sure the "right people" poop in there. [00:50] DaemonFC Not many people know that in the 1970s, there was an organization in Chicago called CEPTIA or the Committee to Eliminate Pay Toilets In America. [00:51] DaemonFC It got a law passed against pay toilets in Chicago, so Chicago has a lot of problems, but human shit on the sidewalks isn't one of them. [00:52] immibis DaemonFC: I thought you hated the government telling people to put their poop in the sewer. You should be ecstatic that the government doesn't do that in SF [00:52] DaemonFC In San Francisco, home of Apple, Google, and Facebook, it's pretty common to live with six other people you don't know and still pay $1,500 a month for your share of the rent on a small apartment, but then when you get outside, you see people unzip their pants and squat and just shit wherever they happen to be. [00:52] MinceR technically, eliminating _all_ toilets would eliminate all pay toilets [00:52] MinceR (and in budapest, any sort of public toilet is very rare) [00:52] immibis DaemonFC: Must be an awesome city if people are willing to pay $1,500 with 6 roommates [00:53] DaemonFC If you're into scat, you should definitely move to San Francisco. [00:53] DaemonFC People there "get it". [00:53] immibis maybe that's why people are willing to pay $1,500 to live with 6 roommates [00:54] MinceR if you're into dog shit, budapest might be for you [00:54] DaemonFC (and in budapest, any sort of public toilet is very rare) [00:54] matey my house in budapest, my gold public pay toilet, my fascist government, my tired hopeless future ooohhooooh oooohhhhooo id leave it all [00:54] XRevan86 MinceR: Russia will face a public toilet crisis now that McDonald's is leaving the country. [00:54] DaemonFC I kind of know where all the Jewel-Osco stores are in Chicago. [00:54] matey give me one non batshit reason that id ever choose to stay [00:54] DaemonFC And they all have public toilets. [00:54] DaemonFC So that's why I know where they are. [00:54] MinceR (as long as you don't mind also having no roads, no parking and no public transport) [00:54] MinceR matey: lol [00:55] immibis DaemonFC: I thought you hated the government telling people to put their poop in the sewer. You should be ecstatic that the government doesn't do that in SF [00:55] DaemonFC It might be mjg59_'s doing that there are driverless cars circling on a residential street that JWZ was complaining about, but I don't recall the name of the company that was responsible for that. [00:55] DaemonFC Residents are complaining that it's dangerous and that their kids may get ran over, but the city is doing absolutely nothing because government. [00:56] DaemonFC All I do know is that this driverless car meme is a pest. [00:56] matey that song is probably banned in hungary [00:56] matey for not making it sound good enough [00:57] chicksahoy does DaemonFC have some sort of mental illness? [00:58] schestowitz-TR and if he did [00:58] schestowitz-TR would you exclude him for it? [00:58] chicksahoy no [00:58] schestowitz-TR and if you did, what would that say about you? [00:58] chicksahoy im just curious [00:58] MinceR hi just curious, i'm dad [00:58] schestowitz-TR he openly said he does have some conditions [00:59] DaemonFC Nobody really knows. [00:59] immibis DaemonFC: How should driverless car development happen? [00:59] chicksahoy that might explain all of his transphobia [00:59] DaemonFC They call it something else about every decade. [00:59] immibis or should it just be illegal to invent driverless cars? [00:59] immibis chicksahoy: definitely yes [00:59] immibis transphobia itself is a mental illness [00:59] matey there should be a bot like the altlink bot [00:59] immibis so is racism [00:59] MinceR develop an AGI smart enough to improve itself, then hand the job over to it [00:59] chicksahoy immibis: <3 ● Mar 20 [01:00] DaemonFC or should it just be illegal to invent driverless cars? [01:00] DaemonFC YES [01:00] matey but it runs s/black/deny/ on everything daemonfc says [01:00] immibis DaemonFC: should it be illegal to invent horseless carriages? [01:00] CrystalMath XRevan86: i believe in freedom of speech [01:00] schestowitz-TR self-driving is BS [01:00] schestowitz-TR first, it's not new [01:00] schestowitz-TR it was doable before [01:00] mjg59_ (No it wasn't) [01:00] schestowitz-TR second, it's not good [01:00] MinceR lol @ s/black/deny/ [01:00] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Then Putin is your worst enemy. [01:00] schestowitz-TR and then there are the legal aspects [01:00] immibis matey: "Deny people seem to just let the fines pile up."? [01:01] schestowitz-TR just because you CAN do something does not mean you SHOULD [01:01] DaemonFC 1. It puts mjg59_ out of work for a while 2. The self-driving cars are so great that a pedestrian registers as a shopping bag and "Whoops, totally missed a parked police car.". [01:01] immibis schestowitz-TR: what do you think about trains? [01:01] schestowitz-TR self-driving? [01:01] schestowitz-TR there should be someone in there [01:01] MinceR trains are a lot easier to make self-driving [01:01] schestowitz-TR same for cockpit [01:01] matey redbot: s/black/deny/ Sat 22:08:06 DaemonFC Drop the deny people in on them. [01:01] DaemonFC So that puts the self-driving cars somewhere between your average Chicago driver (IQ 80) as the low anchor and me (never an at-fault accident). [01:02] schestowitz-TR today's flights are mostly automated, but there's still a captain or more [01:02] immibis schestowitz-TR: this seems like enforcing a minimum required amount of labour. Imagine if there was a law saying computers had to be people [01:02] CrystalMath XRevan86: we need Putin to counterbalance the west [01:02] chicksahoy DaemonFC: you'll never be at fault for riding a bike [01:02] CrystalMath since you know, the west also bans RT [01:02] MinceR flights have centralized control, so, again, that's a lot easier than cars [01:02] schestowitz-TR flights are less complex because of low plane density [01:02] schestowitz-TR and more time to react [01:02] DaemonFC DaemonFC: you'll never be at fault for riding a bike [01:02] CrystalMath XRevan86: the west cancels people like me constantly [01:02] DaemonFC No, those are the people who die. [01:03] DaemonFC The state can't blame you if you're dead....usually. [01:03] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Russia banned practically all non-state owned media. [01:03] MinceR i thought that was the easiest condition to blame people in [01:03] matey since you know, the west also bans RT <- the west or google? [01:03] immibis schestowitz-TR: Are driverless transportation networks entirely off the table? [01:03] MinceR they can't defend themselves [01:03] CrystalMath XRevan86: in theory or in practice? [01:03] CrystalMath is Techrights banned in russia? [01:04] XRevan86 CrystalMath: It would have if it were in Russian. [01:04] matey "please help us translate this article to anything except russian" [01:05] immibis schestowitz-TR: a successful driverless transportation network would be a massive improvement in real terms. [01:05] schestowitz train can be harder than planes https://www.ppronline.co.uk/blog/2021/09/the-main-types-of-jobs-in-rail [01:05] immibis and you just want to ban it? [01:05] TR Bot The main types of jobs in rail - PPR New [01:05] MinceR can russians read ukrainian or belarusian? [01:05] CrystalMath XRevan86: what did techrights write that's so bad? [01:05] matey MinceR: some claim to, but i just look at the pictures [01:06] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freight_conductor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_railway_industry_occupations [01:06] TR Bot Freight conductor - Wikipedia [01:06] MinceR matey: are you russian? [01:06] TR Bot List of railway industry occupations - Wikipedia [01:06] XRevan86 CrystalMath: The word "war" for one thing. [01:06] matey MinceR: no, thats why i look at the pictures (and cant tell if they can actually read it or not, i have to take their word) [01:06] XRevan86 MinceR: With no prior exposure? Barely. [01:06] MinceR ic [01:06] immibis it contains the word "software" instead of "softspecial military operatione" [01:06] schestowitz sanitised language does not help [01:06] MinceR lol [01:06] schestowitz in Russia Putin pretends assault and invasion are peacekeeping [01:07] matey though i figure the "west" probably smuggled a few ukranian readers into russia, i just cant prove it [01:07] schestowitz and the sensitive fools would defend that [01:07] schestowitz because shelling an antenna is too much to take.... apparently [01:07] immibis it helps when you are pushing propaganda [01:07] schestowitz so we should warn people to not read what actually happens [01:07] schestowitz or battlezone cremations [01:07] immibis in the west you will be socially punished if you call it a peacekeeping operation to denazify ukraine [01:07] immibis for good reasons [01:08] matey shelling an antenna <- shelling or shilling? [01:08] matey shell shill for s shilling by the seashore [01:08] CrystalMath XRevan86: are you really sure it would ban techrights? [01:08] matey s shilling <- um, in spain [01:08] schestowitz shills saying that shelling a mere antenna can traumatise and thus we should self-censor [01:08] XRevan86 In Putin's Russia footage from Ukraine can put one in jail for discreditation of the Russian army. [01:08] matey techrights is already banned in certain parts of central america [01:08] activelow you know the meaning of Menschewiki and Bolschewiki? [01:08] schestowitz Russia merely "disabled" some antennda in Mariupol [01:09] matey they denylisted it [01:09] schestowitz "how did it disable them?" [01:09] schestowitz "don't ask, son" [01:09] XRevan86 CrystalMath: If techrights were in Russian, absolutely. [01:09] schestowitz matey: is it banned anywhere? [01:09] XRevan86 activelow: Yes, how is that in any way relevant? [01:09] schestowitz not that I know of... [01:10] immibis activelow: one is wikipedia for democrats (little d) and the other is wikipedia for people who enjoy blowing shit up? [01:10] matey schestowitz it could be shadowbanned [01:10] activelow der Mensch, german, is the Human; in Russian language the menschewik is the minority. [01:10] schestowitz shadowbanned? [01:10] schestowitz what does that mean outside of social control media? [01:10] matey schestowitz the alternative is admitting that reddit is worse than any part of central america, are we ready to say that? [01:10] immibis IRC is social control media [01:10] schestowitz the whole concept of shadowbanned relies on a filtering middleman [01:10] schestowitz in gulasg search the concept of shadowbanned does not exist [01:10] immibis a firewall is a filtering middleman [01:10] schestowitz just delisted or deranked [01:11] immibis an SSL interceptor is a filtering middleman [01:11] matey ddleman [01:11] matey #techrights : 03/20/22 01:10 in gulasg search <- thats because its shadowbanned [01:11] immibis but nobody knows or cares about your blog, therefore they won't apply special measures to ensure it appears available [01:11] matey in stalinist russia the correct term is: [01:11] matey its [01:11] matey why cant i say [01:11] schestowitz IRC is... different [01:11] schestowitz social control media has "likes" and stuff [01:11] MinceR matey: spell it out [01:11] schestowitz IRC predates that [01:12] MinceR matey: or say it in Igpay Atinlay [01:12] matey T H E R E A R E FF OO UU RR L I G H T S ! [01:12] XRevan86 activelow: There was a schism in the Social Democratic Party of Russia, those were the two factions. [01:12] MinceR lol [01:13] schestowitz democracy is relative [01:13] schestowitz a theoretic system [01:13] schestowitz no country ever fully implemented it [01:13] activelow democracy = bolschewism [01:13] schestowitz but at least they have some model system in mind [01:13] matey democracy = bolschewism <- you are priceless [01:13] activelow the english say, mob rule [01:13] schestowitz how weird a compatison... [01:13] XRevan86 activelow: Ye are an idiot. [01:14] schestowitz democracy is not mob rule [01:14] schestowitz if properly followed (rare, maybe never existed), it would give indirect power to voters [01:14] XRevan86 activelow: Congratulations. [01:14] matey how weird a compatison <- a bolshevist would agree [01:14] matey with activelow actually [01:15] XRevan86 activelow: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_Congress_of_the_Russian_Social_Democratic_Labour_Party read this. [01:15] TR Bot 2nd Congress of the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party - Wikipedia [01:15] XRevan86 And don't embarrass yourself further. [01:15] chicksahoy someone asks if daemon is mentally ill, and roy speaks up. if daemon acts transphobic, roy doesn't say anything. [01:15] matey roy has sufficient support from trans free software activists [01:16] XRevan86 > The congress voted 2823 in Martov's favour but his support included the 7 Bundists and Economists who would later walk out. This left Lenin's faction in the majority so Lenin called his faction Bolshevik or majoritarian. Martov accepted this, calling his faction Menshevik or minoritarian. [01:16] matey i dont think anyone is going to get him for being a transphobe, and its not on my to-do list [01:16] XRevan86 activelow: Do ye understand? [01:17] schestowitz-TR they should just from the site [01:17] schestowitz-TR not IRC channel ANYONE can enter [01:17] chicksahoy matey: i don't think roy is a transphobe [01:17] matey chicksahoy: neither do i [01:17] XRevan86 Why would anyone even attempt to spread such nonsense when it's so easy to look upm [01:17] schestowitz-TR anyway, back on topic [01:18] schestowitz-TR too high a % of the chat here is about this totally unrelated thing [01:18] MinceR transphobe is when the 2 phobes are on the same plane but on opposing sides of the molecule [01:18] XRevan86 It's even available in English, I didn't have to translate anything from Russian. [01:18] chicksahoy schestowitz-TR: i was ender2070 [01:18] DaemonFC I do moderate some Matrix rooms. [01:18] schestowitz-TR chicksahoy: ah, hi. wb. [01:19] chicksahoy :) [01:19] DaemonFC And we've had a rather unpleasant man (I think.) named Aussie Pineapple or something. [01:19] schestowitz-TR you were on first ep of techbytes, iirc [01:19] schestowitz-TR episode 0 [01:19] chicksahoy yeah [01:19] schestowitz-TR back when fedora was a real community [01:19] schestowitz-TR with ambassadors, too [01:19] chicksahoy i still use fedora [01:19] DaemonFC He calls for trans people to be put to death and accuses the Jews of running various conspiracies and shit. [01:20] DaemonFC I've banned him so many times I can't even really find anyone in particular on my room's banishment list anymore. [01:20] chicksahoy i dont think it was episode 0, there was no 0 [01:20] schestowitz-TR last year we muted someone in the channel for changing the subject to sexual things [01:20] chicksahoy episode 1 [01:20] schestowitz-TR it's a method [01:20] schestowitz-TR the discussion was NSA back doors, undermining security [01:20] DaemonFC There's typically two kinds that want trans people to die. Someone with the mentality of a 14 year old and Muslims. [01:20] schestowitz-TR the next moment it becomes some "sex" thing [01:20] schestowitz-TR because of the people who help the NSA undermine security [01:20] DaemonFC So my guess is he's one or the other. [01:20] chicksahoy DaemonFC: :D [01:21] schestowitz-TR trying to change the debatew [01:21] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: we've moved on to other subjects [01:21] schestowitz-TR my disk seems to be rotting away [01:21] matey national sex agency [01:21] DaemonFC Matrix is a hotbed of fascism. [01:21] MinceR :) [01:21] schestowitz-TR I need to migrate all my critical tasks to another disk/surface [01:22] DaemonFC No matter how they "moderate it", it's more destructive than productive in my opinion. [01:22] schestowitz-TR MinceR: back doors are good [01:22] schestowitz-TR if you don't agree, you are -ist [01:22] MinceR rogues do it from behind [01:22] matey schestowitz-TR thats what she said [01:22] schestowitz-TR [17:27] Sadly, when it comes to FB, I happen to be on the same side as Vladimir Putin. Look what you have done, Mark Zuckerberg! https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/russia_meta/ [01:22] Alternative link Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/russia_meta/ [01:22] TR Bot Russia labels Meta 'extremist organization, bans Instagram The Register [01:22] DaemonFC i thought that was the easiest condition to blame people in [01:23] XRevan86 matey: I never doubted that ctivelow is going for something stupid with that Bolshevik stuff. But it was still very underwhelming somehow. [01:23] mjg59_ matey: I don't think Roy's transphobic or racist in the slightest, but he tolerates a lot of it happening in spaces he controls [01:23] schestowitz-TR Putin: platforms I don't like are "terror" something [01:23] matey mjg59_: he tolerates a lot of things, like people coming to chat in the middle of a lawsuit against him [01:23] DaemonFC In the US system, if criminal charges are pending and you die, they have to "nolle prosse" them which means you were never found guilty. Thanks to the charade of innocent until proven guilty, you were never alive to parade around in court and then (96% of the time) find guilty. [01:23] DaemonFC Therefore, legally innocent. [01:24] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:24] schestowitz-TR bbiab [01:24] matey which i cant comprehend, but unless someone explains the details its difficult to have an opinion (but not difficult to be curious) [01:25] chicksahoy mjg59_: to be fair, its a busy irc server and its probably hard to read everything [01:25] MinceR DaemonFC: :) [01:25] chicksahoy mjg59_: he needs moderators that help fight against transphobia and racism [01:25] matey /me blames everything on mincer [01:26] DaemonFC The Nazi People's Court had about the same conviction rate, oddly enough, as US courts. And the Nazi People's Court was specifically set up to find people guilty who couldn't easily be convicted under rule of law. [01:26] DaemonFC So if you think there's any sort of fairness in a US courtroom, think again. [01:26] chicksahoy i use irssi and its a huge pain in the ass to look at history [01:27] matey log and use an editor? [01:27] MinceR or use less [01:27] MinceR (on log files) [01:27] chicksahoy i could use log files but i don't feel right logging everything [01:28] DaemonFC MinceR, Also amusingly, the US courts manage the same conviction rate as the Nazi People's Court even though victims of the Nazi court had no rights at all, even to a lawyer, and had usually been tortured into confessing, and the state never pretended anything else happened. [01:28] DaemonFC It's amazing. [01:28] matey maybe write a bot to log selectively [01:28] matey of course in here, there are more log options than you can imagine [01:28] matey so you dont even have to log anything [01:29] matey unless you dont trust the logs [01:29] chicksahoy fair enough [01:29] DaemonFC I know why the prisons are full in America. [01:29] DaemonFC It's because the courts are an illusion. [01:29] chicksahoy its not that i dont trust logs, i just value privacy [01:29] DaemonFC Shh! [01:29] matey everything here is logged [01:29] matey back to 2008 [01:29] chicksahoy i know [01:29] matey ok [01:30] chicksahoy i was probably here back in 2008 [01:30] XRevan86 chicksahoy: Different nickname? [01:30] chicksahoy yeah [01:30] chicksahoy ender2070 [01:30] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [01:30] DaemonFC The courts here are not courts of fact. I speak from experience. The judges and prosecutors don't give a damn what happened. The police lie, and it's evidence. [01:31] DaemonFC And you hire a lawyer and it's not a fact-finding mission, but what kind of motions you can file and things like that. [01:31] chicksahoy prurigro recommended I come back [01:32] DaemonFC I also have witnessed them give unfair trials to other people, ignore exculpatory evidence, convict them, and send them to prison. [01:32] DaemonFC It happened to family members even. [01:32] chicksahoy one of the few people i remember back in the day was DaemonFC [01:32] XRevan86 activelow: If ye admit that ye are very misinformed on the meanings of words, I will take back my insult. [01:32] chicksahoy DaemonFC has always been racist [01:33] DaemonFC My cousin's husband ignored the rule of "Never be alone in a room with a woman (who isn't your wife)" rule. [01:33] DaemonFC He was alone in a room with his ex-wife and she got pissed and then told the cops he molested their daughter, coached the daughter into what to say to CPS, and then had the police arrest him. [01:33] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@zyr3ghsbpnw9q.irc) has joined #techrights [01:34] DaemonFC When it got to court, nobody cared how credible she was, he wasn't allowed to confront his accuser "because it was a child", and then his attorney was a big fat crook who took it in front of a jury because those are more expensive. [01:34] DaemonFC And they heard "child" and threw the book at him. [01:35] chicksahoy right [01:36] DaemonFC I don't have dealings with anyone when there would be children around. And witnessing that shit is largely why. [01:36] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [01:38] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@gw9mdreadq2ki.irc) has joined #techrights [01:39] DaemonFC Welp, there it goes again, but everything else I have works, so it may just be the VPN server being crap. [01:39] DaemonFC I switched to the Netherlands server. [01:40] DaemonFC Anyway, I just don't trust women fully. I doubt I ever will. [01:40] DaemonFC I've seen too many reasons not to. [01:41] DaemonFC It's not that you can necessarily trust men but they don't tend to have this bitter vindictive burn you to the ground sort of willingness to corrupt the system. [01:41] DaemonFC If they want to cheat on you and move out, they will. [01:42] DaemonFC If they want to run off to the police and say you hit them, they will (although it happens to straight men too and we all know the state cares more when a woman is an alleged victim). [01:42] DaemonFC But I've never seen the level of vindictive spitefulness I've seen women engage in. [01:42] DaemonFC Maybe the worst it gets on a 10 point scale is a 3 or a 4 with a man, but a woman will dial it up to 11. [01:43] DaemonFC DaemonFC has always been racist [01:43] DaemonFC A lot of things, actually. [01:43] matey saturday is links day at techrights [01:43] matey we have logs, we have links. and we have links, but there are also more links [01:44] MinceR but do we have rechts? [01:44] DaemonFC I suppose the point where I said "Never again." in trust for women was probably age 15 when after mom cheated on dad and tore down the marriage, she went to court and dragged it out from 1999 to 2013. [01:44] matey we have mjg59_ [01:44] DaemonFC Fighting him for the goddamned paper plates. [01:45] matey techrechts? [01:45] DaemonFC I see a lot of people do THAT though. [01:45] immibis DaemonFC: they are specifically looking for people to be criminals, yet black people are actual criminals (according to you) and get a free pass? [01:46] DaemonFC Pay a lawyer $600 an hour never getting 10% out of their victim what they paid to go to court. [01:46] matey when romans wanted rights, they pulled them out of their rechtum [01:46] DaemonFC DaemonFC: they are specifically looking for people to be criminals, yet black people are actual criminals (according to you) and get a free pass? [01:46] DaemonFC I didn't say there was no real crime. [01:46] DaemonFC The police aren't allowed to touch that anymore. [01:46] DaemonFC So they go after white people. [01:47] DaemonFC To invent crimes. Then they pretend to solve them. And then the courts pretend to be courts. [01:47] DaemonFC You get the idea. [01:47] DaemonFC There's a lot of pretending. [01:48] DaemonFC Then you get clueless Europeans who are lucky enough not to have to witness any of this shit going "What the fuck is wrong with that guy?". [01:48] DaemonFC :) [01:49] matey /me wonders why latin wasnt called roman, and imagines it was something to do with windows charsets of the day [01:49] matey centurian! defenetrate him immediately! [01:49] DaemonFC Because Roman is an app you open to get pills to treat your erectile dysfunction and STDs. [01:49] DaemonFC Therefore, it is copyrighted. [01:50] matey "i sorry sir, im having trouble rending your text" [01:50] matey stone dome keyboards are notoriously unreliable as well [01:50] matey you need a chisel just to get the key down sometimes [01:51] DaemonFC The US healthcare system is so shitty that you have people drawing their own blood at home to see if they have Syphilis, and mailing it off to an app company to see if they can get pills for that. [01:51] matey they thought they were clever when they switched to lead domes because its softer than marble [01:51] DaemonFC Microsoft had a GPS app patent called "Avoid Ghetto". [01:51] matey but lead is a conductor, and all they did was short out the keyboard port [01:52] DaemonFC Now they tell us we have to patch out all instances of "black" everywhere we see them. [01:53] DaemonFC Shit. [01:53] *prompted has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [01:53] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: come on [01:53] DaemonFC The upstairs neighbors are blasting their stereo. [01:53] DaemonFC cRap music. [01:53] schestowitz-TR you keep getting back to that topic [01:54] schestowitz-TR do you want to read my draft? [01:54] DaemonFC Yeah. [01:54] DaemonFC I had to go get my earplugs. [01:55] schestowitz DaemonFC: http://techrights.org/2022/03/19/social-control-media-not-missed/ [01:55] schestowitz thanks [01:55] TR Bot Life After Social Control Media: A Fortnight Later | Techrights [01:55] DaemonFC I wonder if I can retaliate with my classical music collection. [01:58] DaemonFC Looks okay. [01:58] schestowitz-TR thanks [01:58] schestowitz-TR glad to see twitter dying in a few years [01:58] DaemonFC I switched to reusable earplugs. Just have to wash them occasionally. [01:58] matey bought out [01:58] schestowitz-TR we need to urge more people to quit [01:58] schestowitz-TR and to tell others to follow [01:58] schestowitz-TR FB is already losing [01:59] schestowitz-TR despite trying to expand, e.g. in Africa [01:59] DaemonFC I can't stand that crap. It's awful. It's intolerable. It's like those nasty cigarettes that people get "somewhere" then it finds its way into your apartment. [01:59] schestowitz-TR their "growth" was mostly by infiltrating "new markets" [01:59] DaemonFC The same people listening to the cRap music upstairs were the ones gassing us with cheap cigars. [01:59] DaemonFC Until I taped off the ventilation duct for the bathroom fan. ● Mar 20 [02:00] schestowitz-TR now back to tech [02:00] schestowitz-TR I gew up on rap and hiphop [02:00] schestowitz-TR the quality of the rap got worse [02:00] schestowitz-TR cheaper to make, worse production budgets [02:01] matey plus mumblerap [02:01] schestowitz higher-budget rap https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlVYBH3DLIw [02:01] TR Bot https://yewtu.be/watch?v=OlVYBH3DLIw [02:01] TR Bot yewtu.be | Mase Feat. Blackstreet - Get Ready (Official Music Video) - Invidious [02:01] schestowitz they used to have instrumental bands and stuff [02:01] DaemonFC They figured out that there was no need to appeal to intellect and optimized their investment. [02:01] schestowitz now it's just studio and samples [02:01] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.71 k/sec., IPFS upstream 20.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.31 [02:01] schestowitz the copyrght cartel did the same to pop btw [02:02] matey you could do it with 2 turntables and a microphone [02:02] schestowitz some dude or gal with a guitar [02:02] DaemonFC Pretty much. [02:02] schestowitz ed sheeran or taylor swift [02:02] schestowitz absolutely awful tunes [02:02] matey just bs sure to turn up your system [02:02] DaemonFC Now you pay recurring fees to stream a back catalog. [02:02] DaemonFC Which is bullshit. [02:02] schestowitz-TR you keep nothing [02:02] schestowitz-TR I still use CDs I had as a kid [02:02] DaemonFC The fee keeps going up to access something you already had before. [02:03] DaemonFC Just so it won't go away. [02:03] schestowitz-TR you said netflix doubled in price in 5 years [02:03] DaemonFC YES! [02:03] schestowitz-TR I could barely believe that [02:03] schestowitz-TR todday I read about gulag fee hikes [02:03] schestowitz-TR last month aws [02:03] schestowitz-TR all that clown computing bubble [02:03] schestowitz-TR gulag clown loses TONS of money [02:03] DaemonFC Well, $11.99 for Ultra HD to $19.99. Then everything else doubled too. [02:03] DaemonFC It's $9.99 a month for one screen in SD now. [02:03] schestowitz-TR Azure hides it but lays off staff, so you can guess where that's going.. [02:03] matey or taylor swift <- willow is ok [02:04] DaemonFC Which is what it used to be for 1080p and 2 screens. [02:04] schestowitz-TR and Russians now complain that clown computing is risky [02:04] schestowitz-TR and I hope more nations will heed the warning [02:04] schestowitz-TR SaaaaaaaS... [02:04] DaemonFC Yes, they have "two months" before they run out of storage and nothing works anymore. LOL [02:04] DaemonFC Speaking of Software from an aaS..... [02:04] DaemonFC Where did Matt go? [02:04] schestowitz-TR FSF calls it SaaSS [02:05] schestowitz-TR software substitute [02:05] schestowitz-TR which is accurate [02:05] matey SaaOS [02:05] schestowitz-TR they don't give you software [02:05] matey systemd as an operating system [02:05] schestowitz-TR they give you some login screens [02:05] DaemonFC It's not accurate if it has "service" in it. [02:05] DaemonFC It's not a service for you. [02:05] schestowitz-TR and as soon as you start paying or as soon as your dictator (Putin) decides to invade the nighbour, no more login to 'your' data and 'your' software [02:05] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, The gig economy collapses next. [02:06] DaemonFC Guess what happens with Uber Eats and GrubHub. [02:06] schestowitz-TR uber is one example [02:06] DaemonFC With gas costing double what it did before Biden. [02:06] schestowitz-TR yeah, beat me to it [02:06] matey or as soon as downloading youtube is "unethical" [02:06] schestowitz-TR re uber [02:06] schestowitz-TR ah, gulagtube [02:06] schestowitz-TR vimeo [02:06] schestowitz-TR you heard what vimeo did, right? [02:06] schestowitz-TR so much for an "alternative" [02:06] DaemonFC They still exist? [02:06] DaemonFC No, what did they do? [02:06] schestowitz-TR pay us $10,000 or we delete all your videos... [02:07] DaemonFC LOL [02:07] schestowitz-TR "enjoy, losers" [02:07] DaemonFC $10,000 by Monday or the videos get it! [02:07] matey /me whispers to daemonfc that chelsea clinton was on the board of vimeo [02:07] matey its true [02:07] matey he might have known this already [02:07] schestowitz-TR not just that [02:07] schestowitz-TR was wickr the other one? [02:07] schestowitz-TR some 'privacy' thing [02:07] schestowitz-TR that's fake privacy [02:08] DaemonFC Her mom was on all kinds of "boards" as useless fluff. It's how they slip bribes and say you're employed there. [02:08] schestowitz-TR oh, wait [02:08] schestowitz-TR I am conflating chelsea clintona dn manning [02:08] schestowitz-TR sorry [02:08] matey never heard of wickr [02:08] matey its amazon now [02:08] matey chelsea clintona dn manning <- opposite ends of the [02:09] matey reasonable mistake, but very big [02:09] matey difference [02:09] matey thats the problem with names i guess [02:09] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, They call it a "tech economy" but all it really is, is a dystopia. You have apps "facilitating" all sorts of sketchy interactions that they want no direct liability for. [02:09] schestowitz-TR chelsea in the uk is not synonymous with putin [02:09] schestowitz-TR *now [02:10] matey i cant imagine what level of bullshit would conflate the two [02:10] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: "here, roy, have $50,000,000" [02:10] schestowitz-TR "hire a bunch of staff" [02:10] schestowitz-TR "get some code from somewhere..."" [02:10] matey one is a whistleblower the other murders whistleblowers [02:10] matey but okay [02:10] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Grindr has patents. [02:10] DaemonFC They list 7 patents on their app. [02:10] schestowitz-TR "start enticing people with 'free' stuff... operate at a loss" [02:10] schestowitz-TR "collect as much data as possible" [02:10] schestowitz-TR "no need to profit" [02:11] DaemonFC How does a gay fuck app have 7 patents? Patents on what? [02:11] schestowitz-TR "love, Wall Street" [02:11] DaemonFC There's at least 6 more just like them on the app store. [02:11] DaemonFC So what patents? [02:12] DaemonFC Saudi Arabia doesn't block Grindr. [02:13] DaemonFC The cops use it to locate gay men so they can kill them. [02:14] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Seems Grindr is trying to make money now by selling their patents to a patent troll. [02:14] DaemonFC 2020-06-11 [02:14] DaemonFC Assigned to FORTRESS CREDIT CORP [02:16] TR News Life After Social Control Media: A Fortnight Later | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/19/social-control-media-not-missed/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/19/social-control-media-not-missed/ [02:16] TR Bot Life After Social Control Media: A Fortnight Later | Techrights [02:17] schestowitz-TR fortress is a well known troll [02:17] DaemonFC This patent is garbage. [02:17] schestowitz DaemonFC: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22fortress+ip%22&sa=Google+%E2%80%BA&sitesearch=techrights.org&client=pub-2479740519054892&forid=1&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&cof=GALT%3A%23999999%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3BVLC%3A999999%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3A999999%3BALC%3A666666%3BLC%3A666666%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A333333%3BGIMP%3A333333%3BLH%3A50%3BLW%3A50%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Ftechrights.org%2Ftechrights-search.png%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F% [02:17] TR Bot ip" site:techrights.org - Google Search [02:17] schestowitz 2Fschestowitz.com%3BFORID%3A1%3B&hl=en [02:17] DaemonFC It looks like Grindr is attempting to patent the EXACT way their app works, in total. [02:17] DaemonFC Which nobody else would do, obviously. [02:18] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:18] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: so maybe they lack a business model [02:19] schestowitz-TR other than making databases of gay people [02:19] schestowitz-TR and their f*ing historu [02:19] schestowitz-TR and trying to monopolisse that domain [02:19] schestowitz-TR so no foreign company like tiktok would do the same [02:20] DaemonFC Steven Fry gave them a free commercial. [02:21] *matey has quit (connection closed) [02:25] schestowitz DaemonFC: http://techrights.org/2022/03/19/epo-another-brick-in-the-wall/ [02:25] TR Bot 2 More Days Until EPO Strike, Examiners Unwilling to Become Another Brick in the Wall | Techrights [02:25] schestowitz typos? [02:25] DaemonFC https://www.peoplesparity.org/consumer-rights-activists-target-grindrs-new-forced-arbitration-agreement/ [02:25] TR Bot Consumer Rights Activists Target Grindrs New Forced Arbitration Agreement | People's Parity Project [02:25] schestowitz anyway, patents are granted by default [02:25] schestowitz if you cannot prove they should be rejected [02:26] TR News 2 More Days Until EPO Strike, Examiners Unwilling to Become Another Brick in the Wall | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/19/epo-another-brick-in-the-wall/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/19/epo-another-brick-in-the-wall/ [02:30] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [02:33] TR News McCoy Smith on What Software Patents Mean to Free Software (2020) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/19/swpats-free-software/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/19/swpats-free-software/ [02:33] TR Bot McCoy Smith on What Software Patents Mean to Free Software (2020) | Techrights [02:38] TR News Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. 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[02:53] DaemonFC The Steam Machine's problem was multiple vendors, multiple specs, and a really really hacked up Debian that they never maintained. [02:53] schestowitz-TR timbl thinks the issue with the www is, [02:53] schestowitz-TR not enough JS and shithub ;-) [02:53] DaemonFC And now they removed Debian as the basis after they fucked it all to hell. [02:53] DaemonFC And inserted Arch,. [02:53] DaemonFC I'm sure that's working out swell. [02:53] DaemonFC I removed a lot of bloat from my Debian installation. [02:54] DaemonFC Mostly input methods and other internationalization and foreign language crap I'm never going to use. [02:54] TR News Social Control Media is a fad and a bubble; it gives a wrong/false sense of its importance; in the long run, the world wont be shaped by it (even Donald Trump has had all of his tweets permanently purged), itll just become more divisive, at least temporarily http://techrights.org/2022/03/19/social-control-media-not-missed/ [02:54] TR Bot Life After Social Control Media: A Fortnight Later | Techrights [02:54] TR News Techrights warmly supports and understands EPO staff that wishes to do the job properly, and becoming a semi-automatic machine isnt the job http://techrights.org/2022/03/19/epo-another-brick-in-the-wall/ [02:54] TR Bot 2 More Days Until EPO Strike, Examiners Unwilling to Become Another Brick in the Wall | Techrights [02:54] DaemonFC The Live ISO I guess can be forgiven for shipping with all of that since they have no idea where you would use Debian or who you are. [02:54] DaemonFC BUT.... [02:54] TR News McCoy Smith on What Software Patents Mean to Free Software (2020) http://techrights.org/2022/03/19/swpats-free-software/ [02:54] TR Bot McCoy Smith on What Software Patents Mean to Free Software (2020) | Techrights [02:55] DaemonFC Every other distribution asks, then removes the unused bits at the end of the installation process. [02:56] DaemonFC https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/ti7bv3/instagram_accidentally_being_profound/ [02:56] TR Bot Instagram accidentally being profound : LateStageCapitalism [02:56] schestowitz-TR reddit = shit [02:57] schestowitz-TR some people are fooled into thinking it's a revolutioonary thing [02:57] schestowitz-TR they even ban/shadowban systemd critics [02:57] schestowitz-TR while the patent company, conde nast, works closely with ICBM [02:57] schestowitz-TR *parent [02:58] schestowitz-TR wow, I really don't know how to best handle a migration out of this failing box [02:58] schestowitz-TR or drive [02:58] schestowitz-TR maybe permanently connected external drive [02:59] schestowitz-TR one physical drive for OS [02:59] schestowitz-TR one for data [02:59] schestowitz-TR does that even make sense, like... has anyone tried that? [02:59] schestowitz-TR partitioning is not of use [02:59] schestowitz-TR when one disk may be flaky ● Mar 20 [03:00] schestowitz-TR if the OS breaks, fine [03:00] schestowitz-TR but the data cannot be "reinstalled" [03:00] schestowitz Available Spare: 100% [03:00] schestowitz Available Spare Threshold: 5% [03:00] schestowitz Percentage Used: 111% [03:00] schestowitz Data Units Read: 81,242,467 [41.5 TB] [03:00] schestowitz Data Units Written: 167,408,714 [85.7 TB] [03:02] schestowitz-TR maybe I could do it the NAS way [03:02] schestowitz-TR and work on critical stuff over the LAN [03:03] schestowitz-TR thunderbird won't be happy with remote .thunderbird [03:03] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 18.63 k/sec., IPFS upstream 79.76 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.33 [03:07] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:08] *oarion7 (anonymous@user/oarion7) has joined #techrights [03:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [03:17] *matey (~matey@e56aqnyrpnfiu.irc) has joined #techrights [03:19] *matey has quit (connection closed) [03:19] *matey (~matey@e56aqnyrpnfiu.irc) has joined #techrights [03:24] IPFS Gemini requests since start of month: 314930 total Total number of pages in capsule: 39789 Active: active (running) since Mon 2022-02-07 16:50:38 GMT; 1 months 10 days ago [03:25] IPFS IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 106 GB TotalOut: 55 GB [03:26] IPFS New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled. [03:26] DaemonFC Azure advertisements on Sourceforge. [03:27] DaemonFC This truly is the circle that Dante didn't explore. [03:28] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, They mirror projects that don't choose to host there now. [03:28] DaemonFC Well, that's nice. [03:29] schestowitz-TR hmmm... [03:29] DaemonFC An ad for VxWorks...... [03:29] DaemonFC (an embedded OS that Cisco replaced Linux with after the GPL lawsuit) [03:29] DaemonFC I remember running "VxWorks Killer" on my WRT54G. [03:30] DaemonFC Then when it thought it was bricked, it allowed you to upload a replacement firmware using tftp. [03:32] DaemonFC I remember doing this and going "I hope this works. I just bought this stupid thing at Walmart.". [03:34] DaemonFC gemini://rawtext.club/~sloum/geminews/npr/current/6.gmi [03:35] DaemonFC Daylight Savings Time, whereby a country that allows people to drive 6 mpg pickup trucks to Walmart for groceries and leave them idling in the lot tries to save 0.5% on electricity by making people constantly adjust clocks, leading to car accidents and strokes. [03:36] matey maybe theyll fix it and make it permanent [03:36] matey "quit messing with the clocks or theyll get stuck that way" [03:36] IPFS QmYTPvdifyTSUV9CuZ5gpuZVC7pHshJvZhZ5niheQb2vzE [03:36] IPFS New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above. [03:37] matey i dont know what it says about humanity that you cant fix daylight stupid time without permanently making everything 1 hour later, but i bet it has "stupid" in it [03:38] matey be glad they dont make people change calendar systems twice a year [03:38] schestowitz-TR it causes many bugs [03:38] schestowitz-TR and even if it does not [03:38] schestowitz-TR it increases development time [03:38] schestowitz-TR or maintenance tasks [03:39] schestowitz-TR same for leap years etc. [03:39] matey "remember this sunday to skip straight to tuesday at midnight" [03:39] schestowitz-TR we have a very suboptimal time systemd [03:39] schestowitz-TR like my notes, very messy [03:39] schestowitz-TR I am trying to make them tidier overnight today [03:39] matey we have a very suboptimal time systemd <- thats another thing [03:39] schestowitz-TR just separated whistleblower notes rom my main working text files [03:40] matey in the future when young geeks are talking to old geeks [03:40] MinceR 20 043700 < matey> i dont know what it says about humanity that you cant fix daylight stupid time without permanently making everything 1 hour later, but i bet it has "stupid" in it [03:40] schestowitz-TR need to put these on another machine [03:40] MinceR you can [03:40] matey theyll wonder why cant spell system [03:40] MinceR it's just that people are too stupid to understand what permanent DST means [03:40] matey you can <- i dislike dst so much im willing to move to a country that doesnt have it [03:40] MinceR :) [03:40] schestowitz-TR ha [03:40] schestowitz-TR reason for naturalisation? no dns [03:40] schestowitz-TR dst [03:41] schestowitz-TR AND DNS [03:41] matey dns is just as broken as dst [03:41] schestowitz-TR yes, it's a 'phonebook' that the US control [03:41] matey what about other regions? asin and that sort of thing [03:42] matey "they can break up dns into other regions but its still asin-ine" [03:42] matey i meant arin though [03:42] *DaemonFC installs NewDotNet on schestowitz-TR's computer and runs off. [03:42] matey asin is some amazon thing. ruins the joke too. [03:43] DaemonFC Remember NewDotNet? [03:43] matey actually makes a whole new joke possible. [03:43] DaemonFC It was a browser hijacker? [03:43] matey not to be confused with gnunet [03:43] matey which stands for gnunets not newdotnet [03:44] DaemonFC It slipped into Windows and hooked the DNS resolver and added top level domains that didn't really exist, and you could buy those from NewDotNet and people with hijacked Windows computers could visit your site. [03:44] matey so its like dns scalping [03:44] matey also known as dns [03:44] DaemonFC I remember dad accidentally installed it and I had to dig it back out of his Windows 98 computer. [03:45] matey /me wonders if wine supports that level of fuckery [03:45] DaemonFC It doesn't. [03:45] darwin Moonchild and Binary Outcast (Captain Tobin, BinOC) of Pale Moon had a split so people are worrying about one of the last good web browsers and BinOC projects like Interlink, one of the last good desktop email clients [03:46] DaemonFC NewDotNet only worked on Windows 9x as a kernel-mode driver. [03:46] DaemonFC When installed on Windows NT/2000/XP, it would install as an Internet Explorer Browser Helper Object (ActiveX). [03:46] matey Moonchild and Binary Outcast (Captain Tobin, BinOC) of Pale Moon had a split <- my guess is that moonchild decided that captain tobin was a "security or stability threat" like everything else he doesnt like [03:47] matey to be fair, every feature that isnt a security or stability threat in windows gets flagged and quarantined as suspicious by windows dumbfender [03:47] schestowitz-TR hmmm... gimp (gtk) cannot open files from remote machine [03:47] schestowitz-TR it can fetch over the web, but not over ssh it seems [03:47] schestowitz-TR wait, unless... [03:47] DaemonFC You want to install LibreOffice? MALWARE MALWARE! ALERT! MALWARE! MAN OVERBOARD! ABANDON SHIP! HIDE YOUR DAUGHTERS! -Windows Defender [03:47] matey gnomedotnet, the horrible sequel [03:47] schestowitz-TR maybe I can do it via dolphin/filem managers with IOslave [03:47] schestowitz-TR kio [03:48] DaemonFC Oh, this RAT and that Cryptominer are fine. -Also Windows Defender [03:48] matey HIDE YOUR DAUGHTERS! -Windows Defender <- generally good advice for anyone doing business with microsoft [03:48] DaemonFC Nope, with Bill it's probably hide your son. [03:48] schestowitz GIMP Message [03:48] DaemonFC And hide him well if he's under 6. [03:48] matey oof [03:48] schestowitz "Location is not mountable" [03:49] DaemonFC Bill's engineer liked young boys more, it seems. [03:49] DaemonFC And after age 12, his interest really dropped off. [03:49] MinceR hide your kids, hide your wife, 'cause they're rapin' everybody out there... [03:49] DaemonFC Arrested in the Gates Mansion. [03:49] matey i seem to recall [03:49] schestowitz maybe if mounted as virtual drive over ssh(fs) [03:49] MinceR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtZfW2z9dw [03:49] TR Bot https://yewtu.be/watch?v=hMtZfW2z9dw [03:50] TR Bot yewtu.be | BED INTRUDER SONG!!! - Invidious [03:50] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2022/01/03/sick-kinks-balabhadra-alex-graveley/ [03:50] TR Bot Microsoft GitHub Expos Part XIII Nihilistic Death Cults With Substance Abuse and Sick Kinks | Techrights [03:50] DaemonFC Mandy's friend at work was asking me if he'd get in legal trouble over dating a 17 year old. I said, "Well, there's some misdemeanors they could throw at you if they wanted to. Some people might find it a little bit creepy.". [03:50] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/github-copilot-stories.png [03:50] schestowitz chief of github copilot [03:51] schestowitz re gimp, i'll need to deal with local files on a flaky HD [03:52] DaemonFC Off the top of my head, they'll get you with whatever they can. Trespassing, traveling to meet a minor, disorderly conduct, and contributing to the delinquency are all popular. [03:52] matey and you dont want to copy them first? [03:52] schestowitz same for uploads, but I guess I can periodically store them away on a better drive [03:52] DaemonFC None of them are sex crimes even if they're the age of consent. [03:52] DaemonFC The state has a million ways to get you no matter what you do if it wants you bad enough. [03:53] DaemonFC Disorderly Conduct is a "contempt of cop" offense. [03:54] DaemonFC It's usually worded like, "Whoever causes a disturbance, nuisance, annoyance, or engages in any conduct that could alarm a reasonable person or engages in fighting or tumultuous conduct or fails to follow a police order has committed Disorderly Conduct.". [03:54] DaemonFC So at this point, it's like what _can't_ Disorderly Conduct be? [03:55] DaemonFC But they got me with it and I ate a shit sandwich and grinned because the alternative was worse. [03:55] DaemonFC A drumhead in a kangaroo court. [03:56] DaemonFC You see cops around here adding disorderly conduct to everything. [03:56] DaemonFC Just because they can. [03:56] DaemonFC schestowitz, Anyway, back to top level domains. [03:56] DaemonFC With all of these ones they have now it's like Revenge of NewDotNet. [03:57] DaemonFC There's even a .google [03:57] schestowitz-TR i cannot respond well atm [03:57] schestowitz-TR too many things to think about all at once [03:57] DaemonFC If they ever go out of business, that'll age well won't it? [03:57] schestowitz-TR I am offloading processes and files to other machines, very lateral thinking [03:58] schestowitz-TR sourceforge is not credible [03:58] schestowitz-TR all outsourcing it risky [03:58] schestowitz-TR they lack a business model [03:58] schestowitz-TR self-hosting is not expecsive [03:58] schestowitz-TR this is what schools ought to teach [03:58] schestowitz-TR instead of clown stuff [03:59] DaemonFC Legal controversy [03:59] DaemonFC NewDotNet has been implicated as the cause[8] of a controversial 2007 criminal trial which received international media coverage.[9][10] In State of Connecticut v. Julie Amero, a substitute teacher was arrested after students in her 7th Grade class reported that they had seen pornographic images on her computer screen. Amero said the computer would not stop sending pop-ups and that she did not know what to do with the computer. [03:59] DaemonFC Amero was convicted on four counts of risk of injury to a minor, or impairing the morals of a child, and faced up to 40 years in prison. The state Supreme Court overturned the conviction and ordered a new trial, but Amero instead pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of disorderly conduct and had her Connecticut teaching credentials revoked.[11] A subsequent forensic analysis revealed that the uncontrollable pornographic popups were propagated by [03:59] DaemonFC NewDotNet.[8] ● Mar 20 [04:01] DaemonFC https://web.archive.org/web/20081202115647/http://blogs.courant.com/rick_green/2008/11/connecticut-drops-felony-charg.html [04:01] TR Bot Connecticut drops felony charges against Julie Amero, four years after her arrest - Rick Green | CT Confidential [04:01] DaemonFC "Amero agreed to plead guilty to a single charge of disorderly conduct, a misdemeanor. Amero, who has been hospitalized and suffers from declining health, also surrendered her teaching license. [04:01] DaemonFC "Oh honey, it's over. I feel wonderful," Amero, 41, said a few minutes after accepting the deal where she also had to surrender her teaching license. "The Norwich police made a mistake. It was proven. That makes me feel like I'm on top of the world." [04:01] DaemonFC In June of 2007, Judge Hillary B. Strackbein tossed out Amero's conviction on charges that she intentionally caused a stream of "pop-up" pornography on the computer in her classroom and allowed students to view it. Confronted with evidence compiled by forensic computer experts, Strackbein ordered a new trial, saying the conviction was based on "erroneous" and "false information." [04:01] DaemonFC But since that dramatic reversal, local officials, police and state prosecutors were unwilling to admit that a mistake may have been made -- even after computer experts from around the country demonstrated that Amero's computer had been infected by "spyware."" [04:01] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Windows TCO [04:01] DaemonFC 40 years to life [04:06] TR News #Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, March 19, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [04:06] TR Bot Bulletin Archives [04:06] TR News #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [04:06] TR Bot Techrights Full IPFS Index [04:07] schestowitz heh, rms-2013-talk-notes.txt still lying around [04:11] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 37.73 k/sec., IPFS upstream 80.83 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.36 [04:24] DaemonFC schestowitz, I saw more blurbs go by about the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children unmasking an internet perv. [04:24] DaemonFC "an unnamed Internet Service Provider reported him" [04:25] DaemonFC Seems to always be the operative phrasing. [04:28] gooseheaded https://executingreality.com/pdfs/TheNOTES/NOTES.pdf [04:28] gooseheaded ;-) [04:28] gooseheaded myh research publication!!! [04:28] gooseheaded wai [04:28] gooseheaded https://www.researchgate.net/publication/357700451_The_NOTES [04:28] Alternative link Cloudflare: researchgate.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.researchgate.net/publication/357700451_The_NOTES [04:28] TR Bot (PDF) The NOTES! [04:28] gooseheaded ;-) [04:28] *psydroid9 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [04:29] gooseheaded it is that i posted it onto like researchGATE!!! [04:29] gooseheaded haha [04:29] gooseheaded ;-) [04:29] gooseheaded "[my] paper was the most read article from your department!!!" [04:29] gooseheaded ajjaa [04:29] gooseheaded no [04:29] gooseheaded shit [04:29] gooseheaded haha [04:30] *psydroid8 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:30] *psydroid9 has quit (connection closed) [04:30] *psydroid8 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [04:36] DaemonFC https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/nearly-1-6m-illinois-facebook-users-to-receive-397-check-soon-after-appeals-court-upholds-privacy-settlement [04:36] TR Bot Nearly 1.6M Illinois Facebook users to receive $397 check soon after appeals court upholds privacy settlement ● Mar 20 [05:08] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [05:08] psydruid > Now instability in Europe, now that makes people worried. [05:08] psydruid Not everyone may be as worried about that as it may look either. [05:10] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.23 k/sec., IPFS upstream 39.48 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.40 [05:21] *AdmFubar1 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:26] *gooseheaded has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:49] *kingoffrance (~x__@4mmu4fx6g3jvs.irc) has joined #techrights [05:50] matey hail to the king ● Mar 20 [06:04] kingoffrance "Draugr OS...Does it come with Dragon Priests too" havent used it, but im interested now [06:05] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.83 k/sec., IPFS upstream 26.58 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.45 [06:08] matey a gnu/linux with a "terms of service", great [06:09] matey Follow us online [06:09] matey Discord Telegramdiscord and telegram [06:11] matey theyre trying to make a game console under $1000, meanwhile they have suspended draugr on arm "indefinitely" [06:11] matey so their under-$1000 console will presumably be x86 based [06:12] matey and theyre making a desktop environment [06:12] matey "in VERY EARLY alpha stages. Most planned functionality is not yet available" [06:13] matey and to top it all off, the lead developer is an anti-rms backstabber [06:13] matey more to the point, linux has no future [06:14] matey therefore gnu/linux has no future [06:14] matey because gnu has foolishly tied itself to a backstabber pretender to the throne of a kernel [06:15] matey why bother being compatible with other kernels, when you can chase syst-ibm-d while it chases its tail? [06:15] matey so everything gnu is linux and everything linux is microsoft [06:15] matey lets buy an intel console [06:19] matey https://github.com/drauger-os-development [06:19] TR Bot OS Development GitHub [06:20] matey gnu: free software gives you control of your computing, gnu is free software [06:20] matey also gnu: we are surrendering all control to ibm and microsoft [06:21] kingoffrance what are you saying, i should make choices based on reality and not surface appearances? [06:21] matey no, youre too smart to tell you anything (thats both good and bad, i mean it in a mostly neutral way) [06:22] matey what im saying is that draugr os is a farce, and also that gnu isnt very free at this point (2 separate points, which have some overlap) [06:22] matey but im not picking on draugr, tell me another distro youre interested in and ill give it the same treatment [06:22] kingoffrance i was just quoting, it was in my scrollback :D [06:23] matey no worries [06:23] kingoffrance prompted> anyone using Drauger OS ? [06:25] matey if i made a gnu/linux distro today it would be a distro designed specifically to get people to stop using gnu/linux [06:26] matey ive thought about it, but ive always found something better to do with my time, like tease daemonfc about his racism [06:26] matey its never going to stop him and yet its somewhat satisfying [06:31] matey kingoffrance heres an interesting tidbit from the draugros website [06:31] matey If you are currently (1) living within the Peoples Republic of China; (2) a citizen of the Peoples Republic of China; (3) a government official or contractor working for the Peoples Republic of China; or (4) accessing this website through a Chinese network or VPN; you are expressly FORBIDDEN to access this website, or any website hosted on our network (including but not limited to all subdomains of cygo.network, cygonetwork.com, and draugeros.o [06:32] matey so citzens of the republic of china (which i presume to mean anyone bor there) are forbidden from accessing draugeros.org [06:34] matey it reminds me of a line from an old bullwinkle cartoon, boris and natasha are outside a launch site and natasha is reading a sign [06:35] matey "welcome to cape carnivorous-- all spies must register with personnel officer" [06:35] matey boris: come on [06:35] matey natasha: we arent going to register? [06:35] matey boris: whos going to spy? were just going to sabotage [06:38] matey when it comes time to get parts for their console, i wonder where they will source them from. [06:38] matey probably amazon, theyre american i think. [06:44] kingoffrance lol yes thats like warez sites all fbi agents must leave [06:44] kingoffrance by not leaving you agree not to arrest me [06:44] matey the shrinkwrap defence [06:45] matey like you can just put a sign on your property that says "cops may not trespass" and when they get there theyll be like "well, shit, i guess we have to resign from the force before we can do anything" [06:45] matey "we didnt think theyd put up a SIGN!" [06:46] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@hngiv8sdpiaf2.irc) has joined #techrights [06:47] matey pity is a worthless emotion (its like the douchebag cousin of compassion) but the one group of people i feel actual pity for are the sort who put eulas on gpl software and shrinkwrap licenses on free software websites [06:48] matey with terms that are impossible to enforce, like they dont miss the point of the whole thing anyway [06:48] matey its sort of like "i wanted to be a lawyer but i suck at that, so i make video games"-- nothing against making video games. [06:48] matey "but look at this cool notice i put on my website!" [06:50] kingoffrance " a government official or contractor working for the Peoples Republic of China" that eliminates all the western civilization proud boys [06:50] matey ironically theres nothing about russia at all, but i suspect thats because the website is neglected in favour of making a neat case for the intel console [06:50] kingoffrance :) there go the churches [06:51] matey We make sure all the code we develop is open sourced. Just like how we make sure to be open minded when getting advice (or criticism) from others. We appreciate feedback from our users! [06:51] matey ^ not you, china! [06:53] matey /me makes a movie called victor chin, about a russian impersonating a chinese national impersonating a russian spy [06:53] matey with apologies to the lovely julie andrews [06:55] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@sy7ss5msyeqgk.irc) has joined #techrights [06:59] matey kingoffrance if you get bored, do your linguistic thing on "man without a country" [06:59] matey id ask activelow but i dont think he will :) ● Mar 20 [07:00] matey plus we would only find out that it comes from german [07:02] matey if we do a techrights musical, activelow has to be played by kenneth mars [07:02] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.11 k/sec., IPFS upstream 79.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.48 [07:02] matey /me checks wikipedia [07:02] matey we will have to find the closest thing to kenneth mars [07:05] *gooseheaded has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:08] kingoffrance take it to another channel i will tell you matey :D [07:09] matey oh we are proper today [07:09] matey um [07:09] matey thats fine, whats the political one? [07:10] matey funnily enough this is about free software (im happy to humour you nonetheless) [07:10] kingoffrance techpol or boycottnovell-social [07:10] matey techpol it is [07:10] matey social is NOISEY [07:14] CrystalMath there's a problem with tor now, tor-resolve fails on sputniknews.com because there's a lot of EU exit nodes [07:14] CrystalMath i think tor should remove all of its EU exit nodes, it's as good as putting exit nodes in china now [07:24] *oarion7 has quit (Quit: Running IRC on a charmed medieval abacus.) [07:33] CrystalMath i sincerely hope that i will not see techrights speak in support of censorship [07:39] schestowitz that site is not available at all? [07:39] matey what site? [07:39] CrystalMath schestowitz: it works if you use a different DNS, but it won't resolve [07:39] CrystalMath the EU doesn't have a great firewall yet [07:39] TR News Grep Command with Examples Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162760 [07:39] TR Bot Grep Command with Examples | Tux Machines [07:39] matey it has a great filter [07:43] TR News "This list is going to be short and there may be a sublist of distros with a medium strict standard. We shall explain what the object is" https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2022/03/19/333/ [07:43] TR Bot 2021 hardcore list of linux distributions without elogind and other systemd parts | systemd-free linux community [07:44] TR News "Many thanks to Hrvoje for the write-up and for doing all these tests, and of course to Alexander Bluhm, Alexandr Nedvedicky and others developers for working on parallelizing the network stack." https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20220319123157 [07:44] TR Bot Testing parallel forwarding [07:46] mjg59_ CrystalMath: The Tor solution is for Sputnik to run a Tor service [07:46] TR News "Developer velocity isn't the whole of developer productivity. I think of developer velocity as post-commit workflow. Once a feature or change set is ready, how much "red tape" is there to get those changes out to customers? But "red tape" isn't just bureaucratic with software." https://matt-rickard.com/developer-velocity/ [07:46] Alternative link Cloudflare: matt-rickard.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://matt-rickard.com/developer-velocity/ [07:46] TR Bot Developer Velocity [07:47] CrystalMath mjg59_: maybe i'm just worried in advance, but what if the EU starts blocking more and more? [07:47] TR News "Some of our CGIs are purely informational; they present some dynamic information on a web page, and don't take any parameters or otherwise particularly interact with people." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/python/CGIModuleOurUsage [07:47] TR Bot Chris's Wiki :: blog/python/CGIModuleOurUsage [07:47] matey then they can suffer the further loss of credibility [07:47] matey and people will fight it i suppose [07:47] matey like they do in china [07:48] matey and pakistan [07:48] matey and taiwan [07:48] TR News "This article summarizes conversations where participants were asked how they would envision and realize a better internet as it relates to architecture and open standards" https://creativecommons.org/2022/03/15/better-internet-series-architecture-and-open-standards/ [07:48] Alternative link Cloudflare: creativecommons.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://creativecommons.org/2022/03/15/better-internet-series-architecture-and-open-standards/ [07:48] TR Bot Better Internet Series: Architecture and Open Standards - Creative Commons [07:48] mjg59_ CrystalMath: Tor serves two purposes: some semblance of anonymity for access to internet services, and censorship-resistant hosting via hidden services [07:49] mjg59_ CrystalMath: If large parts of the internet stop talking to an internet-facing service, Tor can't fix that, and it's not in scope for it to [07:51] CrystalMath mjg59_: very well, makes sense [07:52] mjg59_ DNS is, uh, inherently centralised [07:52] mjg59_ And can also be controlled at the node [07:52] mjg59_ So [07:53] CrystalMath it's certainly possible to, let's say, dig @77.88.8.1 sputniknews.com [07:53] CrystalMath even from an EU address [07:54] CrystalMath 77.88.8.1 is Yandex's DNS [07:55] mjg59_ It's extremely difficult to make the internet as is resistant to censorship [07:55] mjg59_ The EU stuff may not be terribly effective at the moment, but they could enforce stronger restrictions that would be [07:56] mjg59_ You basically need something like onion services to avoid that [07:56] mjg59_ So just dropping EU exit nodes would help right now, but there's no guarantee it would in the long term [07:57] mjg59_ Services that want to be accessible in the face of censorship basically need to run an onion service, but obviously that complicates things because talking about how you're doing that also enables people to circumvent any censorship your state is imposing [07:58] mjg59_ (Obvious solution: Sputnik tells people to download backdoored Tor binaries, which report people who use those to visit the BBC and so on) ● Mar 20 [08:00] CrystalMath is BBC blocked in russia? [08:01] CrystalMath i know some things are [08:01] TR News "A company spent months re-inventing cron. The stated goal of this system was to free it from the constraints of a 24-hour day, for example, should it ever need to operate off-planet. For bonus points, the new units of time and their intervals were codified into an elaborate type system which compiled away." gemini://perplexing.space/2022/re-the-static-file-startup.gmi [08:01] CrystalMath yandex DNS resolves bbc.co.uk [08:01] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.66 k/sec., IPFS upstream 107.11 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.52 [08:02] CrystalMath i'm aware that there is censorship in russia, though [08:02] CrystalMath it's just, few people fall so low to block major news outlets [08:05] TR News "Last week, to kick off our series of posts about the winners of the fourth annual public domain game jam, Gaming Like Its 1926, we took a look at Best Adaptation winner The Wall Across The River." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/19/game-jam-winner-spotlight-the-obstruction-method/ [08:05] Alternative link Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/19/game-jam-winner-spotlight-the-obstruction-method/ [08:05] TR Bot Jam Winner Spotlight: The Obstruction Method | Techdirt [08:09] TR News these vulnerabilities exist in Microsoft Edge" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/microsoft-edge-vulnerable-to-attacks-meitys-cert-in-issues-warning-for-browser-users-advisory-to-stay-safe/90316846 [08:09] TR Bot Microsoft Edge vulnerable to attacks: MeitY's CERT-In issues warning for browser users, advisory to stay safe, CIO News, ET CIO [08:10] TR News Microsoft Windows TCO: "ConVal School District said it will be affected by anticipated milk shortages" https://www.securityweek.com/most-hood-plants-after-cyber-event-schools-concerned [08:10] Alternative link Cloudflare: securityweek.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.securityweek.com/most-hood-plants-after-cyber-event-schools-concerned [08:10] TR Bot Hood Plants Up After Cyber 'Event,' Schools Concerned | SecurityWeek.Com [08:10] TR News Microsoft Windows TCO: "In fact, often the most damaging cyberoperations are covert and deniable by design." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/18/opinion/cyberwar-ukraine-russia.html [08:10] Alternative link Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/18/opinion/cyberwar-ukraine-russia.html [08:10] TR Bot Opinion | Why You Havent Heard About the Secret Cyberwar in Ukraine - The New York Times [08:13] TR News Zuckerberg espionage tool "Instagram said Thursday it had blocked rapper Kanye West, who now goes by Ye, from using his account for 24 hours for violating the social network's harassment policy" https://today.rtl.lu/entertainment/news/a/1882933.html [08:13] TR Bot RTL Today - Harassment: Kanye West banned from posting on Instagram for 24 hours [08:17] TR News Microsoft Windows TCO: "The 2021 hack of Colonial Pipeline, the biggest fuel pipeline in the United States, ended with thousands of panicked Americans hoarding gas and a fuel shortage across the eastern seaboard." https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/03/18/1047395/inside-the-plan-to-fix-americas-never-ending-cybersecurity-failures/ [08:17] Alternative link Cloudflare: technologyreview.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/03/18/1047395/inside-the-plan-to-fix-americas-never-ending-cybersecurity-failures/ [08:17] TR Bot Inside the plan to fix America's never-ending cybersecurity failures | MIT Technology Review [08:17] TR News Microsoft Windows TCO: "A cache of 60,000 leaked chat messages and files from the notorious Conti ransomware group provides glimpses of how the criminal gang is well connected within Russia." https://www.databreaches.net/leaked-ransomware-documents-show-conti-helping-putin-from-the-shadows/ [08:17] Alternative link Cloudflare: databreaches.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.databreaches.net/leaked-ransomware-documents-show-conti-helping-putin-from-the-shadows/ [08:17] TR Bot Leaked ransomware documents show Conti helping Putin from the shadows [08:18] TR News "The National Rifle Association (NRA) has confirmed it was the subject of a ransomware attack that took place last October, according to a report from Gizmodo" "https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/19/22986501/nra-confirms-ransomware-attack-hack [08:18] TR Bot The NRA confirms it was hacked last year - The Verge [08:21] TR News "A judge on Tuesday threw out motions by the attorney general of the District of Columbia to name Mark Zuckerberg, the chief executive of Meta, as a defendant in a privacy lawsuit" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/18/technology/zuckerberg-meta-privacy-lawsuit.html [08:21] Alternative link Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/18/technology/zuckerberg-meta-privacy-lawsuit.html [08:21] TR Bot Mark Zuckerberg Wont Be Named in Meta Privacy Suit, Judge Says - The New York Times [08:22] TR News SPY TV https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/best-vpn-for-smart-tv/ [08:22] Alternative link Cloudflare: cnet.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/best-vpn-for-smart-tv/ [08:22] TR Bot VPN for Your Smart TV - CNET [08:23] TR News "Its been two days since Roskomnadzor blocked Instagram in Russia." https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/16/this-destroys-my-five-years-of-hard-work [08:23] Alternative link Cloudflare: meduza.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/16/this-destroys-my-five-years-of-hard-work [08:23] TR Bot NO TITLE [08:24] TR News "required to activate Facebook Protect with two-factor authentication by the March 17 deadline." https://www.cnet.com/news/social-media/meta-locks-people-out-of-their-accounts-for-not-activating-facebook-protect/ [08:24] Alternative link Cloudflare: cnet.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnet.com/news/social-media/meta-locks-people-out-of-their-accounts-for-not-activating-facebook-protect/ [08:24] TR Bot Locks People Out of Accounts for Not Activating Protect Feature - CNET [08:27] TR News "Broadly speaking, open-source intelligence describes the knowledge or insight emerging from focused collection, monitoring and analysis of publicly accessible information" https://theconversation.com/open-source-intelligence-how-digital-sleuths-are-making-their-mark-on-the-ukraine-war-179135 [08:27] TR Bot Open-source intelligence: how digital sleuths are making their mark on the Ukraine war [08:30] TR News "TikTok, with its young-skewing active global user base of one billion, would seem a natural next frontier." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/19/style/tiktok-political-campaigns-midterm-elections.html [08:30] Alternative link Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/19/style/tiktok-political-campaigns-midterm-elections.html [08:30] TR Bot How Candidates Are Using TikTok to Secure Younger Voters - The New York Times [08:31] TR News influence officers https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2022/03/17/marine-corps-unveils-influence-officers-for-information-fight/ [08:31] TR Bot Marine Corps unveils influence officers for information fight [08:31] TR News VPN in Russia https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/19/russia-vpn-internet/ [08:31] Alternative link Cloudflare: washingtonpost.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/19/russia-vpn-internet/ [08:31] TR Bot Russians are using VPNs to access the truth about Ukraine. Its leading to fights between friends and families - The Washington Post [08:33] TR News IRC Proceedings: Saturday, March 19, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/20/irc-log-190322/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/20/irc-log-190322/ [08:33] TR Bot IRC Proceedings: Saturday, March 19, 2022 | Techrights [08:36] TR News Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162761 [08:36] TR Bot Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [08:39] TR News "Endless consumption is not the goal, they say, but the problem. And we need a change in our language to help us see that problem and solve it" https://qz.com/2142897/theres-a-backlash-against-the-idea-of-calling-people-consumers/ [08:39] TR Bot There's a backlash against the idea of calling people consumers Quartz [08:40] TR News "The landing in Togo may come as a surprise since an initial map of the project suggested it would branch out first in Lagos, Nigeria, arguably Africas technology hub." https://qz.com/africa/2143897/googles-equiano-cable-is-making-its-first-landing-in-togo/ [08:40] TR Bot Google's Africa cable Equiano makes its first landing in Togo Quartz Africa [08:40] TR News "Ukraine is asking Chinese drone manufacturer DJI to stop doing business with Russia" https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3nkg5/dji-has-the-power-to-control-where-drones-can-fly-ukraine-wants-them-to-use-it [08:40] TR Bot DJI Has the Power to Control Where Drones Can Fly. Ukraine Wants Them to Use It. [08:41] TR News "Amazon on Thursday morning announced that it closed its $8.5 billion acquisition of MGM. But the deal may not be out of the regulatory woods yet." https://variety.com/2022/biz/news/ftc-may-challenge-amazon-mgm-deal-1235208241/ [08:41] Alternative link Cloudflare: variety.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://variety.com/2022/biz/news/ftc-may-challenge-amazon-mgm-deal-1235208241/ [08:41] TR Bot Deal Close: FTC Warns It May 'Challenge a Deal at Any Time' - Variety [08:46] TR News "Paul Hansmeier, one of the convicted attorneys behind the controversial Prenda Law firm, is no longer allowed to file new copyright cases in the District of Minnesota." https://torrentfreak.com/court-prohibits-convicted-lawyer-from-filing-new-copyright-lawsuits-220319/ [08:46] Alternative link Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/court-prohibits-convicted-lawyer-from-filing-new-copyright-lawsuits-220319/ [08:46] TR Bot Prohibits Convicted Lawyer from Filing New Copyright Lawsuits * TorrentFreak [08:46] TR News "'Kevin McFree' recently fended off a Watch Tower DMCA subpoena after a judge found that his critical animations were protected under fair use." https://torrentfreak.com/watch-tower-vs-mcfree-nonprofit-defends-critics-fair-use-anonymity-rights-220319/ [08:46] Alternative link Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/watch-tower-vs-mcfree-nonprofit-defends-critics-fair-use-anonymity-rights-220319/ [08:46] TR Bot Tower vs. McFree: Nonprofit Defends Critic's Fair Use & Anonymity Rights * TorrentFreak [08:48] TR News "Inflation! Inflation! Everyones talking about it, but ignoring one of its biggest causes: corporate concentration." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/19/underlying-problem-isnt-inflation-its-corporate-power-and-greed [08:48] Alternative link Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/19/underlying-problem-isnt-inflation-its-corporate-power-and-greed [08:48] TR Bot Opinion | The Underlying Problem Isn't InflationIt's Corporate Power and Greed | Robert Reich [08:49] TR News Vaccine patents kill millions. Almost nobody talks about this anymore... https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/19/activists-say-new-compromise-ip-waiver-covid-vaccines-worse-no-deal [08:49] Alternative link Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/19/activists-say-new-compromise-ip-waiver-covid-vaccines-worse-no-deal [08:49] TR Bot Opinion | Activists Say New 'Compromise' on IP Waiver for Covid Vaccines Is Worse Than No Deal | Sarah Lazare [08:51] TR News "If youre anything like us youve been keeping a close eye on the development of RISC-V: an open standard instruction set architecture (ISA) thats been threatening to change the computing status quo for what seems like forever." https://hackaday.com/2022/03/19/clockwork-devterm-r-01-takes-risc-v-out-for-a-spin/ [08:51] TR Bot DevTerm R-01 Takes RISC-V Out For A Spin | Hackaday [08:53] TR News #precursor crowdfunding https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/precursor/updates/crowdfunding-begins [08:53] Alternative link Cloudflare: crowdsupply.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/precursor/updates/crowdfunding-begins [08:53] TR Bot Precursor - Crowdfunding Begins! | Crowd Supply [08:56] TR News Every Kind of Fix - Inkscape Developer Update March 19th 2022 - Invidious https://yewtu.be/iwMF-63ZPj4 [08:56] TR Bot Every Kind of Fix - Inkscape Developer Update March 19th 2022 - Invidious [08:58] TR News Hackers Target Bank Networks with new Rootkit to Steal Money from ATM Machines https://thehackernews.com/2022/03/hackers-target-bank-networks-with-new.html [08:58] Alternative link Cloudflare: thehackernews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://thehackernews.com/2022/03/hackers-target-bank-networks-with-new.html [08:58] TR Bot Hackers Target Bank Networks with new Rootkit to Steal Money from ATM Machines ● Mar 20 [09:01] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.45 k/sec., IPFS upstream 15.56 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.55 [09:09] TR News The Register uses the Microsoft lobbying propaganda, "Big Tech" (designed to distract from Microsoft's crimes) https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/17/democrat_bills_big_mergers/ see http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/microsoft-behind-big-tech-narrative/ [09:09] Alternative link Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/17/democrat_bills_big_mergers/ [09:09] TR Bot US mulls laws allowing FTC, DoJ to block mergers over $5bn The Register [09:09] TR Bot Microsoft is a Lot Worse Than Google, Amazon, Facebook, and Apple | Techrights [09:11] TR News Avnet survey shows chip shortage impacts most designs, increases engineers workload - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/20/avnet-survey-shows-chip-shortage-impacts-most-designs-increases-engineers-workload/ [09:11] Alternative link Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/20/avnet-survey-shows-chip-shortage-impacts-most-designs-increases-engineers-workload/ [09:11] TR Bot Avnet survey shows chip shortage impacts most designs, increases engineers workload - CNX Software [09:11] TR News Day one reflections for LibrePlanet: "Living Liberation" Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162762 [09:11] TR Bot Day one reflections for LibrePlanet: "Living Liberation" | Tux Machines [09:14] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162763 [09:14] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [09:14] TR News Rendering Text with Glyphy - Zen and the Art of GNOME Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162764 [09:14] TR Bot Rendering Text with Glyphy - Zen and the Art of GNOME | Tux Machines [09:25] TR News Links 20/3/2022: GNUnet 0.16.2 and Free Software Awards | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/20/free-software-awards/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/20/free-software-awards/ [09:25] TR Bot Links 20/3/2022: GNUnet 0.16.2 and Free Software Awards | Techrights [09:27] TR News Proprietary Software Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162765 [09:27] TR Bot Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux Machines [09:28] TR News Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162766 [09:28] TR Bot Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [09:28] TR News RISC-V and Mobile Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162767 [09:28] TR Bot RISC-V and Mobile Linux | Tux Machines [09:28] TR News Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162768 [09:28] TR Bot today's leftovers | Tux Machines [09:31] *bnchs (~bnchs@qawdzg548a46q.irc) has joined #techrights [09:53] *matey has quit (Quit) [09:54] *zedomatic (~zedomatic@kxs4izj2yaf86.irc) has joined #techrights [09:58] TR News European Federation of Public Service Unions (EPSU) in Support of the Strike at the European Patent Office (EPO) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/20/support-by-epsu-for-the-strike/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/20/support-by-epsu-for-the-strike/ [09:58] TR Bot European Federation of Public Service Unions (EPSU) in Support of the Strike at the European Patent Office (EPO) | Techrights ● Mar 20 [10:01] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.45 k/sec., IPFS upstream 15.56 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.55 [10:01] IPFS 279.58 [10:06] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@ktca8nzkiih9y.irc) has joined #techrights [10:10] *pyfisch has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [10:19] DaemonFC https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/03/20/there-are-at-least-8-potential-hitlers-in-congress-right-now-all-republicans/ [10:19] TR Bot There are at least 8 potential Hitlers in Congress right now. All Republicans. BaronHK's Rants [10:37] *darwin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [10:37] *techrights_guest|96 (~6d9a6b17@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [10:39] *bnchs__ (~bnchs@qawdzg548a46q.irc) has joined #techrights [10:43] schestowitz-TR back in 3-4 hours, recording [10:43] *techrights_guest|96 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [10:46] DaemonFC The last octet of the VPN server IP address is different than what the NordVPN client reports. [10:46] DaemonFC That's interesting. [10:46] bnchs__ yes because [10:46] bnchs__ either programming bug [10:46] bnchs__ or intentional [10:48] DaemonFC I'm surprised that guy on the other side of the building can get a T-Mobile Home Internet signal at all. [10:49] DaemonFC I saw the pod in his window. [10:49] DaemonFC He's on the basement floor like us, but the T-Mobile app says the tower is on my side of the building. [10:49] DaemonFC And yet I have all sorts of connection problems. [10:49] DaemonFC I can only imagine what being in his unit would be like with the entire building in the way. [10:50] bnchs__ do you actually see their tower [10:51] bnchs__ rather than in an app, where they can lie to you [10:51] TR News LMDE 5 Elsie released! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162666#comment-33115 [10:51] TR Bot LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition) 5 Elsie Is Now Available for Download | Tux Machines [10:51] TR News Lakka 4.0 release Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162769 [10:51] TR Bot Lakka 4.0 release | Tux Machines ● Mar 20 [11:02] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@sy7ss5msyeqgk.irc) has joined #techrights [11:04] *gooseheaded has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:08] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [11:33] XRevan86 CrystalMath: https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/03/16/russia-blocks-access-to-bbc-vows-more-media-retaliation-a76964 duh [11:33] TR Bot Russia Blocks Access to BBC, Vows More Media Retaliation - The Moscow Times [11:34] *CParadoxum__ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:34] *CParadoxum__ (~quassel@9xkr6pdp2c5xu.irc) has joined #techrights [11:46] bnchs__ you block RT [11:47] bnchs__ i block BBC [11:50] XRevan86 And DW. And everything else too. ● Mar 20 [12:01] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.01 k/sec., IPFS upstream 78.43 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.62 [12:03] *infoWAREZ (~c3b00317@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [12:09] infoWAREZ sup [12:10] infoWAREZ this IRC as gone to sleep [12:10] infoWAREZ !list [12:10] infoWAREZ !warez [12:14] *infoWAREZ has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [12:14] *infoWAREZ (~b9dc6509@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [12:17] bnchs__ infoWAREZ, hi [12:19] infoWAREZ hello [12:19] infoWAREZ whats the word? [12:21] bnchs__ what? [12:23] infoWAREZ whats going on? [12:25] infoWAREZ https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=what%E2%80%99s+the+word%3F [12:25] Alternative link Cloudflare: urbandictionary.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=what%E2%80%99s+the+word%3F [12:25] TR Bot Urban Dictionary: whats the word? [12:27] infoWAREZ were are you from bnchs? [12:38] XRevan86 infoWAREZ: IRC is exhausted from all the discussion it seems :) [12:40] psydruid where can I get WaReZ, though? [12:42] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:44] bnchs__ infoWAREZ, why should i answer [12:49] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [12:58] *CParadoxum__ has quit (Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.) [12:59] infoWAREZ not here it seems ● Mar 20 [13:01] *CParadoxum__ (~quassel@9xkr6pdp2c5xu.irc) has joined #techrights [13:04] *CParadoxum__ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:04] *CParadoxum__ (~quassel@9xkr6pdp2c5xu.irc) has joined #techrights [13:58] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Mar 20 [14:10] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@gbgr2jcp6yrt2.irc) has joined #techrights [14:19] schestowitz-TR weird [14:20] schestowitz-TR finding a network just to ask this? [14:25] TR News "The prices are crazy given how poor Tajikistan is, so it all feels extremely exploitative. Like, US prices for mobile Internet? Who can afford that?" gemini://kwiecien.us/gemlog/202203201140.gmi [14:26] TR News "It's good to have some time on the weekend to have a cup of coffee and surf the small-net at the same time. Small pleasures and rituals." gemini://szczezuja.space/gemlog/2022-03-20-Sunday-coffee.gmi [14:27] TR News "I believe it could pave the way for lighter and smaller computers for everyday use. PDAs, essentially, with smaller and more efficient displays." gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-03-20-how-about-a-t9-bluetooth-keyboard.gmi [14:29] TR News "My favourite programming languages are Perl and Emacs Lisp. Those are the ones I feel familiar with, those are the ones where I can write small tools and get immediate results. So heres the Emacs Lisp code I use." gemini://alexschroeder.ch/page/2022-03-20%20Torchbearers%20and%20bodyguards [14:30] TR News "There are 2258 capsules. We successfully connected recently to 1804 of them." gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi [14:50] CrystalMath XRevan86: not by DNS, it seems, Yandex DNS returns the addresses of those [14:52] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Yandex.DNS doesn't follow the blocks. [14:52] XRevan86 CrystalMath: The blocks are done on the DPI level anyway. [14:54] CrystalMath i see, so i'd need a proxy in russia to test if something is blocked [14:54] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Yes. [14:56] CrystalMath this retaliation is silly, and reminds me of "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" [14:57] XRevan86 It's not silly, it's an information blockade. [14:58] CrystalMath it's not like you could get actual unbiased information on any of these websites [14:58] CrystalMath i think people need to be smart, and need to understand that when you open a major news website, it's gonna be biased in some way based on where it's coming from [14:58] psydruid western media? Russian media? [14:59] XRevan86 CrystalMath: "in some way" <- There is no war by the way. [14:59] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Just peace-making. [14:59] psydruid is the news in Serbia more balanced? [14:59] XRevan86 CrystalMath: With that in mind, how do ye evaluate the quality of Russian media? [14:59] CrystalMath psydruid: in serbia you can find biased media of both kinds, is that better? [14:59] psydruid CrystalMath, sure ● Mar 20 [15:00] CrystalMath some of our newspapers parrot DW, and some others say ukraine attacked russia [15:01] CrystalMath which would fit our country's general principle of being neutral, i guess [15:01] psydruid the truth is likely somewhere in the middle [15:01] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Every news outlet I've been reading was blocked. Except for those that closed down. [15:01] psydruid I've been reading Al Jazeera for the past few weeks [15:02] psydruid some things are never mentioned in the Dutch media, so screw them [15:03] XRevan86 CrystalMath: There is only room for one position: Putin's. [15:04] XRevan86 CrystalMath: It's as bad as it sounds. Probably worse, because I have a tendency for downplaying. [15:09] *infoWAREZ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:12] *citoyen has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [15:12] *i\o (trttl@192.99.249.220) has joined #techrights [15:13] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@idx2hgwaipuwq.irc) has joined #techrights [15:14] *bnchs__ has quit (connection closed) [15:15] *bnchs__ (~bnchs@9478h48ewdpj6.irc) has joined #techrights [15:16] CrystalMath XRevan86: i can still complain about the EU though, this is its first time doing something like that; russia never had net neutrality [15:17] XRevan86 "russia never had net neutrality" <- It did. Pepperidge Farm remembers. [15:17] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #techrights [15:18] XRevan86 Not as law, but there was a wild time when anything was allowed on the Internet in Russia. [15:19] XRevan86 And then Yelena Mizulina fixed that. [15:25] CrystalMath 'What are rights? Theyre the biggest lack of freedom. I can tell you that the more rights you have, the less free we are. A ban is when the person is free because it says "this is impossible, but with everything else [you can] do what you want."' - Yelena Mizulina [15:25] CrystalMath interesting quote :P [15:26] CrystalMath i don't think i've read anything that ridiculous outside of fiction [15:27] *immibis has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [15:27] *immibis has quit (connection closed) [15:27] *immibis (~hexchat@acad4bt9wne9w.irc) has joined #techrights [15:28] *immibis (~hexchat@62.156.144.218) has joined #techrights [15:29] *Noisytoot_ (~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot) has joined #techrights [15:29] XRevan86 Oh, I remember that. Nostalgic. [15:30] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [15:33] *infoWAREZ (~b9dc6608@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [15:35] infoWAREZ does gnu net works in russia? [15:36] *techrights_guest|62 (~50bb5010@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [15:36] schestowitz-TR hi techrights_guest|62 [15:37] infoWAREZ how much memory does systemd uses versos other light init systems? [15:40] *infoWAREZ has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [15:40] *infoWAREZ (~b9dc6608@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [15:41] infoWAREZ hello? [15:42] *techrights_guest|91 (~5c3530e0@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [15:42] *techrights_guest|62 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [15:42] infoWAREZ can you ear me? [15:42] *techrights_guest|91 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [15:42] XRevan86 infoWAREZ: systemd is harder to evaluate, because it does more. [15:43] infoWAREZ do i need it down stuff behind my back? [15:43] infoWAREZ doing [15:44] XRevan86 Cursed be software that does stuff. [15:44] infoWAREZ i used linux before systemd and it used aroound 130 mb [15:44] MinceR 20 081448 < CrystalMath> i think tor should remove all of its EU exit nodes, it's as good as putting exit nodes in china now [15:44] MinceR it would make more sense to let the user pick an exit node [15:46] infoWAREZ if its doing stuff i really dont need or care yes [15:46] CrystalMath infoWAREZ: just don't use it [15:47] infoWAREZ besids i only have 4g ram [15:47] CrystalMath one of my machines has 2G [15:47] MinceR cursed be software that does stuff that nobody asked for, and does so poorly and in a hostile manner, yes [15:49] infoWAREZ i bet that im gona need x software the will pull in systemd as dependency [15:49] *i\o has quit (Changing host) [15:49] *i\o (trttl@user/io/x-8562675) has joined #techrights [15:49] *i\o is now known as citoyen [15:50] CrystalMath infoWAREZ: you see, software that depends on systemd is usually far worse than systemd, in my experience [15:50] CrystalMath unless it can be recompiled [15:50] CrystalMath in which case, best do that (or use a binary distro that does not have systemd, like devuan or slackware) [15:51] infoWAREZ devuan debian compatible? [15:51] XRevan86 infoWAREZ: Of course. [15:51] infoWAREZ what about antix? [15:52] XRevan86 infoWAREZ: Same. [15:53] infoWAREZ any of them are rolling distros? [15:54] XRevan86 Devuan Ceres is. [15:54] XRevan86 + Devuan testing [15:54] MinceR void is rolling :> [15:54] infoWAREZ okay [15:54] infoWAREZ wich is lighter? [15:54] infoWAREZ on ram [15:55] MinceR \_()_/ [15:55] MinceR depends on what you run on it [15:55] infoWAREZ void dev is MIA or something [15:55] MinceR void is developed by many people [15:55] *zleap (~zleap@user/zleap) has joined #techrights [15:56] *superkuh has quit (Excess Flood) [15:56] infoWAREZ im good running xfce [15:57] *superkuh (~superkuh@user/superkuh) has joined #techrights [15:58] infoWAREZ how much ram does void uses after boot? [15:59] infoWAREZ musl libc? [15:59] infoWAREZ are you using that? ● Mar 20 [16:00] XRevan86 Is it a good time to mention Alpine Linux edge? [16:00] infoWAREZ is it compatible with gnu libc? [16:01] infoWAREZ Alpine Linux doesnt have systemd? [16:01] XRevan86 Indeed not. [16:01] Ariadne hmmmm [16:01] Ariadne since this is #techrights [16:01] Ariadne i'm going to have to say that alpine is literally systemd OS [16:01] XRevan86 Ariadne: hahaha [16:01] Ariadne we love systemd at alpine [16:01] Ariadne we have systemd C compiler [16:02] Ariadne systemd C runtime [16:02] Ariadne aka glibsystemd [16:02] Ariadne systemd kernel [16:02] Ariadne lennart poettering is honorary CEO of alpine [16:03] XRevan86 infoWAREZ: There ye have it, first-hand information on Alpine from Ariadne, a prominent person in the Alpine community. [16:03] Ariadne i heard the phrase "Alpine GNU/Linux" at this libreplanet stream earlier, and i want to die [16:04] MinceR i'm using bedrock with void and devuan strata on one machine, and openbsd on another [16:04] MinceR i rarely look at ram usage [16:06] infoWAREZ https://www.slant.co/versus/12958/12960/~openrc_vs_runit [16:06] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.slant.co/versus/12958/12960/~openrc_vs_runit ) [16:06] Alternative link Cloudflare: slant.co | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.slant.co/versus/12958/12960/~openrc_vs_runit [16:06] Ariadne openrc is total garbage [16:06] Ariadne https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/JmmF6Hu1/Screen%20Shot%202022-03-20%20at%2011.06.50%20AM.png [16:06] Alternative link Cloudflare: irccloud-cdn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/JmmF6Hu1/Screen%20Shot%202022-03-20%20at%2011.06.50%20AM.png [16:07] Ariadne lmfao [16:07] XRevan86 Ariadne: What is that? [16:07] Ariadne from that link [16:07] Ariadne infoWAREZ just posted [16:07] infoWAREZ runit Latest ReleaseAugust 10, 2014 [16:07] XRevan86 Ariadne: ah [16:07] Ariadne NOT GPL THEREFORE ITS BAD [16:07] XRevan86 I didn't even look at it, those versus's are worthless apriori. [16:08] Ariadne i just glanced at it [16:08] Ariadne and found that one amusing [16:08] infoWAREZ openrc Latest releaseNovember 29, 2021 [16:08] XRevan86 A lot of those pros and cons are written in comparison with systemd. [16:08] infoWAREZ so that very informative! [16:09] MinceR if your program doesn't try to do everything, chances are it doesn't have to be updated every week [16:09] Ariadne i can tell you that openrc is very ok [16:09] Ariadne but alpine wants to get rid of it [16:09] Ariadne because it is fragile [16:10] infoWAREZ like im gona use void linux with a init that isnt matained anymore [16:10] XRevan86 runit is extremely simple. Too simple. [16:10] Ariadne i think the void people maintain it themselves [16:10] MinceR here's an init system that isn't maintained at all: [16:10] MinceR int main(void) { if (fork()) while (1) wait(NULL); else execl("/etc/rc", "rc", NULL); } [16:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [16:10] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.20 k/sec., IPFS upstream 52.43 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.68 [16:10] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.20 k/sec., IPFS upstream 52.43 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.68 [16:12] infoWAREZ distrowatch.com seems down [16:16] immibis MinceR: you may as well just rename /etc/rc to /sbin/init [16:16] MinceR that would not reap zombies [16:17] MinceR then again, apparently neither does systemd, so... :> [16:17] XRevan86 "then again, apparently neither does systemd, so... :>" <- That brought out memories from like 2013. [16:21] infoWAREZ does any of this use a gui to configure deamons [16:21] Ariadne alpine has a gui [16:21] Ariadne you can install [16:21] Ariadne for that [16:21] infoWAREZ well i got glances installed [16:21] Ariadne alpine has a full web admin [16:21] Ariadne you can install [16:21] Ariadne called ACF [16:24] infoWAREZ its not glances its somthing else i cant recall name now [16:27] infoWAREZ stacer [16:27] infoWAREZ thats it [16:27] infoWAREZ have you used it? [16:28] infoWAREZ https://oguzhaninan.github.io/Stacer-Web/ [16:28] TR Bot Stacer - Linux System Optimizer & Monitoring [16:31] infoWAREZ you dont now about it? [16:31] *Noisytoot_ is now known as Noisytoot [16:31] infoWAREZ its the best "control panel" app ive found foe linux [16:38] infoWAREZ does network manager work with out systemd? [16:43] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [16:47] immibis infoWAREZ: windows uses a gui [16:50] XRevan86 infoWAREZ: It does. [16:52] infoWAREZ are you telling me to install windows? [16:52] bnchs__ windows was a GUI for DOS back in the [16:52] bnchs__ god damn it AUTOCORRECT [16:53] bnchs__ T E H days [16:53] schestowitz-TR teh tyepos [16:53] bnchs__ hexchat has autocorrect [16:58] *infoWAREZ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Mar 20 [17:16] *gooseheaded has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:17] XRevan86 Ariadne: Regarding apko, what is the software to run containers that Alpine has in mind? Still podman/Docker? [17:17] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@idx2hgwaipuwq.irc) has joined #techrights [17:23] MinceR does network manager work? [17:24] XRevan86 MinceR: Shockingly enough, it does. [17:50] bnchs__ windows in 1998: Illegal operation, This program crashed because it illegally wrote to some memory [17:51] bnchs__ windows in 2030: Illegal operation. The user is attempting to wrongthink ● Mar 20 [18:00] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 45.70 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.71 [18:08] psydruid wasn't that windows messing things up rather than those applications [18:08] *zedomatic has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:09] psydruid those same applications didn't crash on gnu/linux [18:09] *zedomatic (~zedomatic@ecz2t3b69tp9n.irc) has joined #techrights [18:22] *zedomati1 (~zedomatic@a9k4we53x83yu.irc) has joined #techrights [18:23] schestowitz-TR I'll post news links soon [18:23] *zedomatic has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:23] schestowitz-TR dealing with HD issues today [18:23] *zedomati1 has quit (connection closed) [18:26] *zedomati1 (~zedomatic@qcd7yjvguja82.irc) has joined #techrights [18:36] TR News "Some big things are happening in my life right now. The rate at which I post logs and other content might slow considerably, or stop completely for a while. The capsule will remain accessible as usual, so visitors can continue to play chess and browse my existing content." gemini://jsreed5.org/log/2022/202203/20220320-likely-hiatus.gmi [18:37] TR News "One of the things I'm painfully aware, is the sheer amount of online identities that I have collected over the years. There number surpassed the 100 mark recently. When I teach classes, I ask the attendees to create a list of all their important, un-important, funny, forgotten IDs for themselves." gemini://ew.srht.site/en/2022/20220320-detox.gmi [18:43] *gooseheaded has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:48] MinceR (cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/weekend-random-randomness-3-19-22-17.jpg [18:48] Alternative link Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/weekend-random-randomness-3-19-22-17.jpg ● Mar 20 [19:04] ciphrCat i finally got around to writing a story you guys said might be interesting to publish. [19:04] ciphrCat this is the markdown https://termbin.com/gqh0 [19:04] Alternative link Cloudflare: termbin.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://termbin.com/gqh0 [19:04] ciphrCat shit, i thought termbin quit CF [19:06] schestowitz-TR hi ciphrCat [19:06] ciphrCat hello [19:08] schestowitz are you ok with us republishing that? [19:08] schestowitz also, was it published elsewhere already? [19:09] schestowitz Reddit is a censorship site [19:09] schestowitz it always was [19:09] ciphrCat if you look at the very last paragraph, it was on reddit for a brief moment [19:09] ciphrCat yeah [19:09] schestowitz I'm surprised people think Reddit exists to inform people [19:09] schestowitz I will publish it now... [19:09] ciphrCat reddit was the only place i recall publishing it [19:09] ciphrCat cool [19:13] ciphrCat btw i quit using reddit at that time (2019ish?) so it's a bit of an old story but still interesting and should be told [19:13] ciphrCat it should be known that some police services are limited to Facebook users -- and that should be protested [19:17] schestowitz ciphrCat: http://techrights.org/2022/03/20/brussels-police-facebook/ [19:17] TR Bot Brussels Police: No Help Unless You Open an Account at Facebook | Techrights [19:17] schestowitz see if you can spot typos/issues [19:17] schestowitz this is still a draft [19:18] schestowitz redddit is social control media [19:18] schestowitz it's censoring even more aggressively than most [19:18] schestowitz it also shadowbans a lot [19:22] ciphrCat right, i got caught up in the shadowban loop once, at which point I could not even post in my own community for which I was the sole moderator. [19:23] ciphrCat Thanks for posting the article. It looks good to me but I suppose I'm unlikely to catch my own mistakes. [19:24] ciphrCat the police link redirects to https://polbru.be/, so apparently that changed since the story notes were first written, but it works nonetheless [19:24] TR Bot Home - Lokale Politie [19:24] schestowitz-TR yeah [19:24] schestowitz-TR might change again [19:24] schestowitz-TR 10 years down the line most links break [19:25] schestowitz-TR the idiots they hire to build site don't care about any form of backward compatibility [19:25] schestowitz-TR in my site, all the links that worked 20 years ago still work [19:25] schestowitz-TR FB too might die in the next 10 years [19:26] schestowitz-TR twitter might not last even 5 [19:26] schestowitz-TR it loses users and money [19:26] schestowitz-TR having said that [19:26] ciphrCat i figured their momentum was unstoppable [19:26] schestowitz-TR unless putler gets jiggy with the bomb, [19:26] schestowitz-TR brussells police can last another 50 years [19:31] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@yszqqvdxt4p8i.irc) has joined #techrights [19:33] DaemonFC They offer Walmart employees "free Walmart+" now. [19:33] DaemonFC In the fine print it says they tax "the fair market value" and report it to the IRS if you sign up for it. [19:34] DaemonFC Since they charge $100 a year, it adds about $10-15 to your federal tax and about $5 you owe Illinois. [19:35] DaemonFC Plus it may raise your taxable income so much that you no longer qualify for the retirement SAVERS credit if you were close to not qualifying. [19:36] DaemonFC Then it actually could end up costing you hundreds of dollars in additional tax to take something that only usually costs $100. [19:38] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: I am tidying old files at the momnent [19:39] schestowitz-TR and found two PDFs you sent me of a richard jones bankrupcy [19:39] schestowitz-TR afaik, we never published these [19:39] schestowitz-TR can we ever establish that was the same person? [19:40] DaemonFC Not sure. [19:40] schestowitz-TR ok [19:40] schestowitz-TR iirc, you had credits [19:40] DaemonFC I'm trying to figure out what Mandy signed up for without asking me. [19:40] schestowitz-TR and used that to look something up [19:40] schestowitz-TR this one says richard [19:59] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Mar 20 [20:01] immibis traditionally, if one kept having good posts censored by moderators on reddit, they would create a new subreddit called /r/TrueBrussels, and it would become filled with alt-right garbage [20:02] TR News Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Cisco Secure Firewall Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162770 [20:02] TR Bot Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Cisco Secure Firewall | Tux Machines [20:02] TR News 9 Best Free and Open Source Image Processing Libraries Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162771 [20:02] TR Bot 9 Best Free and Open Source Image Processing Libraries | Tux Machines [20:02] *psydroid9 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [20:02] schestowitz-TR immibis: /r/BrusselsTruth [20:03] *psydroid8 has quit (connection closed) [20:03] immibis TrueX is a traditional format [20:03] schestowitz-TR I didn't know [20:03] schestowitz-TR truthers [20:03] schestowitz-TR truth social [20:03] schestowitz-TR "theTruth" [20:03] schestowitz-TR those words and terms got associated with cranks [20:03] schestowitz-TR but well before trump [20:04] schestowitz-TR maybe before 9/11 too, not old enough to be sure [20:04] *psydroid9 has quit (connection closed) [20:04] *psydroid8 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [20:04] TR News Build Your Own Handheld Linux PC with Raspberry Pi and this Open Source Project Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162772 [20:05] TR Bot Build Your Own Handheld Linux PC with Raspberry Pi and this Open Source Project | Tux Machines [20:06] kingoffrance pravda [20:08] kingoffrance since 1912 [20:08] TR News 10 Things to Do After Installing Pop!_OS Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162773 [20:08] TR Bot 10 Things to Do After Installing Pop!_OS | Tux Machines [20:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [20:18] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [20:32] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:32] TR News Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162774 [20:32] TR Bot Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [20:49] DaemonFC https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/tims24/i_just_want_to_execute_apps_without_memorizing/ [20:49] TR Bot I just want to execute apps without memorizing sentences... : linuxmasterrace [20:49] DaemonFC Okay, since they're going to charge us Income Tax on this Walmart+ thing, I might as well use it. [20:50] DaemonFC So now I have free delivery of any size order and 5 cents off per gallon of gas at Murphy. Woohoo. [20:50] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Truth Social pretty much failed immediately. [20:51] DaemonFC There's still only one post from Trump's account, which is his "Get ready! Your favorite president will be here soon!". [20:51] DaemonFC They didn't even bother to copy over his tweets, and he hasn't actually posted anything new. [20:51] DaemonFC So this is going nowhere. [20:52] TR News EPSU has spoken in support of the trade union at the European Patent Office (EPO), saying that the latest action will [hopefully] ensure a restoration of fundamental rights and the suspension or reversal of major reforms detrimental to working conditions and staffs wellbeing. http://techrights.org/2022/03/20/support-by-epsu-for-the-strike/ [20:52] TR Bot European Federation of Public Service Unions (EPSU) in Support of the Strike at the European Patent Office (EPO) | Techrights [20:56] TR News Linux Kernel 5.17 Officially Released, This Is Whats New Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162775 [20:56] TR Bot Linux Kernel 5.17 Officially Released, This Is Whats New | Tux Machines [20:57] DaemonFC MarketWatch be like: "I only have $30 million dollars in my 401(k) and my wife only has $70 million in hers. We're worried we won't be able to live a simple life in retirement.". [20:58] TR News Another shell script moved to rust | Ganneffs Little Blog https://blog.ganneff.de/2022/03/another-shell-script-moved-to-rust.html MOAR bloat [20:58] TR Bot Another shell script moved to rust | Ganneffs Little Blog [20:58] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: the 0.1%'s problem [20:59] TR News makeuseof should know better than to peddle WSL BS. WSL is an ATTACK on GNU/Linux. ● Mar 20 [21:03] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:05] *zedomati1 has quit (Quit) [21:05] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:07] TR News KWin 5.25 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162776 [21:07] TR Bot KWin 5.25 | Tux Machines [21:12] TR News Does Putin elect politicians in the US? https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/03/20/there-are-at-least-8-potential-hitlers-in-congress-right-now-all-republicans/ [21:12] TR Bot There are at least 8 potential Hitlers in Congress right now. All Republicans. BaronHK's Rants [21:12] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Instead of a raise, they give Walmart employees this Walmart+ thing, which is just another way to spend money at Walmart. [21:12] DaemonFC And then you have to pay taxes on whatever the fictional value of Walmart+ is that some corporate bigwig made up in their own head. [21:13] DaemonFC Furthermore, they openly threaten to fire you if you give your subscription to anyone else, including your spouse. So you have to set the account up under your own name and use the fiction that the gas and grocery orders are being placed by you even if they're the ones doing the shopping and filling up the tank to take you to work. [21:14] TR News Listening devices are NOT alternative? Heck, clown stuff for something you can do in LibreOffice instead is just insane. https://www.ubuntupit.com/voice-typing-in-google-docs-lets-give-a-break-to-your-fingers/ [21:14] Alternative link Cloudflare: ubuntupit.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ubuntupit.com/voice-typing-in-google-docs-lets-give-a-break-to-your-fingers/ [21:14] TR Bot Voice Typing in Google Docs: Let's Give A Break To Your Fingers [21:15] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162777 [21:15] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [21:15] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I switched cards with Mandy. He can be me when he's buying stuff and I can be him. [21:16] DaemonFC That way if I'm at the gas station, he's buying the gas with his credit card. [21:16] DaemonFC I remember being a manager there and we used to look for things like this, like with the discount card it's fine if your spouse uses it. They'll even give them one in their own name. [21:16] TR News Microbel running ads again for AMD https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-MI200-ISA-Docs see http://techrights.org/2022/02/03/phoronix-went-too-far/ [21:16] Alternative link Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-MI200-ISA-Docs [21:16] TR Bot Publishes New Instinct MI200 Instruction Set Documentation - Phoronix [21:16] TR Bot When Blogs Become Marketing and Benchmarks Become Product Promotions | Techrights [21:16] DaemonFC But they look for discount card/credit card name mismatches. [21:17] DaemonFC Then they haul you into the office and ask why someone else has been using your discount card, and then fire you. [21:17] DaemonFC So if you are going to let them use it, they should toss their stuff in your cart and you should arrange to pay with cash they hand you, or your card and they hand you an equal amount of cash later. [21:17] DaemonFC Because the computer flags it if the names don't match. [21:18] DaemonFC If you do cash there's no way that they can flag it because it's impossible to say whose cash it is. [21:18] DaemonFC So they don't know. [21:19] DaemonFC Just make sure it's you buying the stuff, because they can flag the transaction and pull the security footage too. [21:19] DaemonFC Seen them do that before. [21:20] TR News "On top of the core block updates for the 5.18-rc1 merge window, here are the driver updates for this merge window." https://lore.kernel.org/linux-block/83ce22b4-bae1-9c97-1ad5-10835d6c5424@kernel.dk/ [21:20] TR Bot [GIT PULL] Block driver updates for 5.18-rc1 - Jens Axboe [21:20] DaemonFC What Walmart doesn't tell hourly employees is that they're under more surveillance than the customers for shrink. [21:20] kingoffrance "If you do cash there's no way that they can flag it because it's impossible to say whose cash it is." yes, this was how creditism was justified way back when....eliminating generational wealth [21:20] DaemonFC Because for every dollar you lose to the customers, you lose about $2-3 to the employees. [21:20] DaemonFC If they could do what I know about back when I worked there, imagine what they can do now. [21:21] DaemonFC Especially to employees who are dumb enough to use those Walmart-provided cell phones away from work. [21:21] DaemonFC When my spouse gets off work, I have him turn it off, and then I put it in a potato chip bag and put a chip clip on it. [21:22] DaemonFC Then when he goes into work, it comes out of the chip bag and he turns it on. [21:22] DaemonFC Yes, a potato chip bag completely screws up the cell signal if it's a foil-lined bag. [21:23] DaemonFC So even if it's one of those phone that only pretends to turn off (like an iPhone), this should really fuck up its GPS and cell signal. [21:23] *oarion7 (anonymous@user/oarion7) has joined #techrights [21:23] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, "Allow 2G" is an option on the Pixel 6. [21:24] DaemonFC On by default, even though there is no 2G network in the US anymore. [21:24] DaemonFC The only thing using it are police stingrays. [21:24] DaemonFC So the first setting to change is to disable 2G. [21:25] TR News The 5.17 kernel has been released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162775#comment-33116 [21:25] TR Bot Linux Kernel 5.17 Officially Released, This Is Whats New | Tux Machines [21:30] DaemonFC https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/20/us/elise-malary-body-lake-michigan-transgender-activist-dead/index.html [21:30] Alternative link Cloudflare: cnn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/20/us/elise-malary-body-lake-michigan-transgender-activist-dead/index.html [21:30] TR Bot Body of woman found in Lake Michigan identified as missing transgender rights advocate - CNN [21:30] DaemonFC There's a Black Supremacy Group called Nation of Islam. SPLC even admits it's a hate group. They're headquartered in South Shore, Chicago. [21:31] DaemonFC They like to come out and protest (roughly in this order), Jews, LGBT, and white people. [21:31] DaemonFC Maybe the cops should start looking into this. I'd certainly go looking there first. [21:31] DaemonFC If you're a trans-rights activist in that neighborhood, how long until you run into a member of that group? [21:35] TR News How Do You Like Ubuntu's New Logo? - Slashdot http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162621#comment-33119 [21:35] TR Bot Ubuntu Has a Brand New Logo | Tux Machines [21:36] TR News GTK Twitter App Cawbird 1.5 Released! Add Option to Reload Failed Image Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162778 [21:36] TR Bot GTK Twitter App Cawbird 1.5 Released! Add Option to Reload Failed Image | Tux Machines [21:41] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: stop flooding the channel with BS [21:41] schestowitz-TR use another channel if you must [21:45] TR News "Back when I first started using AwesomeWM I had plans to make videos on it but that just never happened and that's for good reason, this window manager is just way to comfy for me." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=MYNKPjpwCmU [21:45] TR Bot AwesomeWM Is Too Comfy Of A Window Manager - Invidious [21:46] TR News LHS Episode #459: The Weekender LXXXVIII https://lhspodcast.info/2022/03/lhs-episode-459-the-weekender-lxxxviii-2/ [21:46] TR Bot LHS Episode #459: The Weekender LXXXVIII | Linux in the Ham Shack [21:48] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162779 [21:48] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [21:49] TR News Gnuastro 0.17 released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162780 [21:49] TR Bot Gnuastro 0.17 released | Tux Machines [21:50] TR News "Millions of households are facing a 54% rise in the cost of a typical annual gas and electricity bill..." https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60796131 [21:50] Alternative link Cloudflare: bbc.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60796131 [21:50] TR Bot of living: Calls for targeted help to cut energy bills - BBC News [21:51] TR News "We discussed deeply when we designed GNU remotecontrol the reality of rising energy costs pushing consumer purchasing decisions to the point of genuine consumer pain." http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=10141 [21:51] TR Bot GNU remotecontrol - News: Cost of living: Calls for targeted help to cut energy bills [Savannah] [21:52] DaemonFC There's hardly a reason to shop inside the store anymore. [21:52] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@fisjbjzq79w8n.irc) has joined #techrights [21:53] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [21:53] DaemonFC With inflation being what it is, it's hard to justify going inside, getting less credit card points on the same shopping trip, potentially being exposed to COVID more times, and deal with my outright confusion and panic that sets in whenever I have to go to public places with something to do. [21:54] DaemonFC The music that those stores tend to play usually just disorients me even worse. [21:54] DaemonFC It's designed to keep you in the store longer by slowing down your thought process. [21:55] DaemonFC One of the reasons Aldi says they don't play music is so they won't owe copyright royalties to anyone on it. It's not like the store gets the music for free. [21:58] *zleap has quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:59] TR News "There is a new application available for Sparkers: Fluent Reader" https://sparkylinux.org/fluent-reader/ [21:59] TR Bot Fluent Reader SparkyLinux ● Mar 20 [22:00] TR News Best 13 WhatsApp and Telegram Alternatives that respect your privacy. Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162781 [22:00] TR Bot Best 13 WhatsApp and Telegram Alternatives that respect your privacy. | Tux Machines [22:00] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.65 k/sec., IPFS upstream 45.71 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.75 [22:05] TR News PostgreSQL vs. MongoDB Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162782 [22:05] TR Bot PostgreSQL vs. MongoDB | Tux Machines [22:05] TR News Linux Kernel 5.17 Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162775#comment-33121 [22:05] TR Bot Linux Kernel 5.17 Officially Released, This Is Whats New | Tux Machines [22:06] TR News Facebook account required for bicycle theft victims to see whether their bike was recovered by Brussels police http://techrights.org/2022/03/20/brussels-police-facebook/ [22:06] TR Bot Brussels Police: No Help Unless You Open an Account at Facebook | Techrights [22:06] TR News #HowTo Turn a Website Into a Linux Desktop App Using Nativefier Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162783 [22:06] TR Bot How to Turn a Website Into a Linux Desktop App Using Nativefier | Tux Machines [22:09] bnchs__ wtf [22:09] bnchs__ gnu remotecontrol and discussion about energy bills? [22:10] bnchs__ oh i get it [22:10] bnchs__ gnu remotecontrol is some web app for ip enabled thermostats [22:13] schestowitz-TR yeah [22:13] schestowitz-TR it's good [22:13] schestowitz-TR considering the alternatives [22:13] schestowitz-TR malware [22:14] TR News Links 20/3/2022: Linux Kernel 5.17, Lakka 4.0, and Gnuastro 0.17 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/20/lakka-4-0-and-gnuastro-0-17/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/20/lakka-4-0-and-gnuastro-0-17/ [22:14] TR Bot Links 20/3/2022: Linux Kernel 5.17, Lakka 4.0, and Gnuastro 0.17 | Techrights [22:15] bnchs__ yeah [22:15] bnchs__ it's better than those proprietary IoT crap [22:15] bnchs__ with proprietary clients and each with their own undocumented proprietary protocols [22:17] kingoffrance ^ internet was "between" other networks, e.g. proprietary. then it became "THE" network. now it looks like the proprietary lan is reborn and back in a new disguise with IoT [22:17] kingoffrance *"lan" in quotes, since they are removing that component [22:21] *techrights_guest|11 (~424a3f48@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [22:22] schestowitz-TR hi techrights_guest|11 [22:23] TR News 2,260 Gemini Capsules, Over 1,800 Active Ones | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/20/2260-gemini-capsules-over-1800-active-ones/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/20/2260-gemini-capsules-over-1800-active-ones/ [22:23] TR Bot 2,260 Gemini Capsules, Over 1,800 Active Ones | Techrights [22:24] techrights_guest|11 hello, just checking back in. was in here few months back seeing whats new. been working on some builds for some friends. thanks for all the good links and posts good to stay updated. [22:24] schestowitz-TR excellent [22:24] DaemonFC The electric company switched to Microsoft Azure for their hosting. [22:24] DaemonFC Now half the time you can't even log in to pay your bill. [22:24] techrights_guest|11 saw the facebook required for police reports . outrageous. [22:25] DaemonFC But the logo looks very aerodynamic. [22:25] MinceR lol [22:25] bnchs__ DaemonFC, wtf [22:26] bnchs__ now everyone's resorting to someone else's computer to host their crap [22:26] bnchs__ they're setting themselves up for failure [22:26] DaemonFC Yeah, if you watch the status bar on your browser, it's Azure....Azure...Azure... this and that and then the screen goes "Whoops, there's been a problem. Try again later.". [22:27] DaemonFC They got rid of the credit card fees, but then they increased the price of the electricity. [22:27] schestowitz-TR maybe the issue is diferent [22:27] *alextee (~alextee@kzh7t76mzn7gu.irc) has joined #techrights [22:27] schestowitz-TR they have corrupt "IT" peole [22:27] schestowitz-TR who have no clue [22:27] DaemonFC Also, they removed the ability to set a credit card as your autopay, so you have to sign in and manually select the card every month if you want your credit card points. [22:27] schestowitz-TR choosing Microsoft is a symptom of that [22:27] schestowitz-TR because there's no reason to do this [22:28] bnchs__ lol [22:28] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, The former speaker of the Illinois House, Mike Madigan, was arrested and indicted in the ComEd Bribery Scandal. [22:28] bnchs__ choosing microsoft always has failures [22:28] DaemonFC So it was his people that chose to redirect the hosting to Microsoft. [22:28] DaemonFC They are still there, you know. [22:28] bnchs__ my country's education score database still has some issues [22:28] schestowitz-TR bribery culb [22:28] bnchs__ like incorrect scores [22:28] schestowitz-TR the criminals love other criminals in charge [22:28] schestowitz-TR nobody would complain [22:29] bnchs__ and rounding number issues [22:29] schestowitz-TR trump chose many criminals [22:30] *alextee has quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:30] DaemonFC They're starting a project to graft DNA from Matthew Garrett into a clone of Mike Madigan. The bastard offspring will tell you if you get into public service without getting rich, "you're missing out". [22:30] techrights_guest|11 i was at a buddys place feew weeks ago, he just moved, and he had some huge setup for amazon surveillance inside and outside his place. it was like ed tv, he had like 6 screens he watched shit inside and outside his place. he wanted me to come over and help him with his desktop setup. didnt stay long and wont be crusing over there again. [22:30] bnchs__ techrights_guest|11, amazon surveillance [22:31] bnchs__ that's like demolishing the front door [22:31] bnchs__ and the frontwalls aswell [22:31] bnchs__ let everyone watch you [22:31] techrights_guest|11 so he could watch his dogs or whatever. i dont know. crazy stuff. [22:32] kingoffrance "saw the facebook required for police reports . outrageous." missed that but yeah..........PPP [22:32] bnchs__ my MSP has a whatsapp frontend [22:32] techrights_guest|11 yeah i dont facebook so i find out about that stuff here and few other places. [22:32] bnchs__ it's like their shitty service number, except it's a client on whatsapp [22:32] bnchs__ retarded shit [22:33] DaemonFC https://www.newsweek.com/competitors-sue-gas-station-setting-prices-too-low-1689785 [22:33] Alternative link Cloudflare: newsweek.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.newsweek.com/competitors-sue-gas-station-setting-prices-too-low-1689785 [22:33] TR Bot Competitors Sue Gas Station for Setting Prices Too Low [22:33] DaemonFC MAH FREE MARKET!!! MUH FREEDUMB!!!! [22:34] techrights_guest|11 a while back like few years back now, i started running into the stuff when logging in to pay bills. I moved to send to for payment instead of login to pay. billpay direct from my bank. its gotten really bad. captcha and redirects from hell. [22:34] kingoffrance a good question is do you have a "right" to file a police report, and where does facebook fit into this [22:34] kingoffrance they do not charge i suppose, not that there are not other costs [22:34] DaemonFC Yes you have the right to file a police report, at least in Illinois. [22:34] DaemonFC State law. [22:34] bnchs__ kingoffrance, either corrupt or retarded developers [22:34] bnchs__ "just put facebook login" [22:34] DaemonFC Unfortunately, it's not always a great idea to, even as a crime victim. [22:35] bnchs__ "WHAT COULD GO WRONG" [22:35] kingoffrance hey hey hey now, both is a possibility [22:35] DaemonFC Well, whenever anyone goes to the police, they don't realize this, BUT.... [22:36] DaemonFC The police start looking at both of you. Usually, they arrest the right person, but not always. [22:36] DaemonFC Having it blow up in your face because you went to them is out there. [22:37] DaemonFC If it's a minor loss it's usually easier to just accept that you've been wronged and move on. [22:37] bnchs__ yeah it's better [22:37] kingoffrance DaemonFC, yeah i asked kind of rhetorical, because people claim "protect and serve" is meaningless and enforcement is another thing entirely [22:37] bnchs__ usually here police can be bribed to say who snitched on them [22:37] DaemonFC The police aren't going to kiss it better or anything. [22:37] bnchs__ and even then there's no witness protection [22:37] DaemonFC At best, they'll take a report and it probably goes nowhere at all. [22:37] bnchs__ better to stay quiet than loud [22:37] DaemonFC So now you're out the time plus whatever offense was committed against you. [22:38] DaemonFC https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/03/20/2-months-in-jail-for-crystal-lake-man-who-possessed-child-pornography-took-photos-of-people-in-restrooms/ [22:38] Alternative link Cloudflare: lakemchenryscanner.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/03/20/2-months-in-jail-for-crystal-lake-man-who-possessed-child-pornography-took-photos-of-people-in-restrooms/ [22:38] TR Bot 2 months in jail for Crystal Lake man who possessed child pornography, took photos of people in restrooms [22:38] DaemonFC Illinois, everybody. [22:38] MinceR crystal lake! [22:39] DaemonFC If you're recording a person while you're having sex with them, it usually is a really good idea to keep that to yourself and on storage that you control. [22:40] DaemonFC It always was illegal to post such things without permission, or even make the recording for that matter. [22:41] DaemonFC But so many people put their tapes on pornhub that places like Illinois now have felony revenge porn laws. [22:41] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Quit: I expect to be back tomorrow) [22:41] DaemonFC And you could get in serious trouble if anyone finds out, even if you didn't post it anywhere. [22:42] MinceR http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/service-staff-are-not-polite.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2020/05/hand-me-my-travel-complaint-phrase-book/ ) [22:42] Alternative link Cloudflare: engrish.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/service-staff-are-not-polite.jpg [22:42] TR Bot timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.engrish.com/2020/05/hand-me-my-travel-complaint-phrase-book/ ) [22:42] kingoffrance what sad maybe is facebook will be justified as "everyone" has one, "everyone" has a cell phone, etc. [22:42] kingoffrance it will be spun as giving the majority what they want [22:43] DaemonFC The state isn't accepting new felony inmates. [22:43] DaemonFC So people like this creep get off light. [22:43] DaemonFC 56 days for child porn, in the county jail. [22:44] kingoffrance any discussion will ignore what was lost or gained IMO [22:44] bnchs__ kingoffrance, it actually happened [22:44] *matey (~matey@prm89ktp9i3xg.irc) has joined #techrights [22:44] bnchs__ i was complaining about why online school has to be on whatsapp, and i don't have whatsapp [22:45] bnchs__ and they said "everyone has whatsapp" [22:45] kingoffrance well its attempt to shame you [22:45] bnchs__ "dude just sign up on whatsapp" [22:45] DaemonFC https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/03/20/waukegan-man-arrested-for-driving-124-mph-while-intoxicated-on-route-41-in-highland-park/ [22:45] Alternative link Cloudflare: lakemchenryscanner.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/03/20/waukegan-man-arrested-for-driving-124-mph-while-intoxicated-on-route-41-in-highland-park/ [22:45] TR Bot Waukegan man arrested for driving 124 mph while intoxicated on Route 41 in Highland Park [22:45] matey leah the leader of libreland [22:45] DaemonFC It's a bird, it's a plane! No it's WAUKEGAN MAN. [22:45] matey /me to the tune of "cecil the seasick sea serpent" [22:46] DaemonFC https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/03/20/20-year-old-woman-charged-after-allegedly-fleeing-from-police-resisting-arrest-in-harvard/ [22:46] Alternative link Cloudflare: lakemchenryscanner.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/03/20/20-year-old-woman-charged-after-allegedly-fleeing-from-police-resisting-arrest-in-harvard/ [22:46] TR Bot 20-year-old woman charged after allegedly fleeing from police, resisting arrest in Harvard [22:46] psydruid Azure isn't for paying the bill, but for paying Bill [22:46] DaemonFC This one got beaten with an ugly stick, after falling out of an ugly tree, onto some ugly ground. [22:48] DaemonFC https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/03/18/man-released-on-recognizance-bond-after-allegedly-committing-home-invasion-robbing-man-in-zion/ [22:48] Alternative link Cloudflare: lakemchenryscanner.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/03/18/man-released-on-recognizance-bond-after-allegedly-committing-home-invasion-robbing-man-in-zion/ [22:48] TR Bot Man released on recognizance bond after allegedly committing home invasion, multiple robberies in Zion [22:49] DaemonFC The judges here are terrible. [22:49] matey azure is sure, a lure to be moored (it works with a northern accent) [22:49] techrights_guest|11 wonder what the percentage of the population that is aware and pushes back against the surveillance state? I personally dont know anyone else except the people in my immidiate family who are aware and do not participate by choice. [22:49] kingoffrance how demure [22:50] matey hehehe [22:50] DaemonFC Oh boy, this one was the judge that officiated at my wedding. [22:50] DaemonFC Nice. [22:51] DaemonFC Gave this guy his notice to disappear and we'll hear from him again after he's killed someone. [22:51] DaemonFC Typical Democrat judge. [22:52] kingoffrance dont have a link, but part of the "survelliance state" is surely the outsourcing ...i.e. some company does it, so its not "the gov". i aint spying on anyone domestically, my five eyes in just relays me info on you a smaller version of that perhaps [22:53] matey surveillance in the cloud, prison as a service, courts.github.io [22:53] DaemonFC https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/03/17/juvenile-hospitalized-after-being-found-shot-in-front-of-apartment-building-in-waukegan/ [22:53] Alternative link Cloudflare: lakemchenryscanner.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/03/17/juvenile-hospitalized-after-being-found-shot-in-front-of-apartment-building-in-waukegan/ [22:53] TR Bot Juvenile hospitalized after being found shot in front of apartment building in Waukegan [22:53] matey just let billionaires run everything, as if they dont already (but we can still give them more) [22:53] kingoffrance oh, i used to hear about lawyers/forms being obsolete and replaced with programs [22:53] DaemonFC Lakeside Towers is a real shithole. That's the one over by the Post Office with the ghetto music booming all day and night and folks hanging out of windows without any bug screens in it. [22:53] kingoffrance i mean, im sure someone wants to do that [22:54] DaemonFC Gang members and pimps hanging around out front. [22:54] matey its one of the premises of neon genesis evangelion [22:54] matey they live in a smart city with a robot government [22:55] matey when things go wrong the army (which is very small, and just like the real army comprised of younger people) hops into a giant robot vehicle, like you do [22:55] kingoffrance and, im sure it will be justified as reducing "bias' (a non-sequitor) [22:55] matey yes, the exact opposite of what those algorithms do [22:55] kingoffrance that too [22:55] matey "you know the best way to beat bias? with MORE BIAS!" [22:56] matey best of all we have real examples of this in production [22:56] matey look up COMPAS (i think thats how its spelled) [22:56] DaemonFC https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/03/17/new-federal-law-will-require-cars-to-monitor-for-impaired-driving-in-part-due-to-mchenry-mother-who-pushed-for-legislation/ [22:56] Alternative link Cloudflare: lakemchenryscanner.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/03/17/new-federal-law-will-require-cars-to-monitor-for-impaired-driving-in-part-due-to-mchenry-mother-who-pushed-for-legislation/ [22:56] TR Bot New federal law will require cars to monitor for impaired driving, in part due to McHenry mother who pushed for legislation [22:56] DaemonFC MADD is a group of extremists. [22:56] matey brb [22:56] *matey has quit (connection closed) [22:56] DaemonFC What happens when you're a little bit sleepy or something and the car won't even let you drive home? [22:57] *matey (~matey@e56aqnyrpnfiu.irc) has joined #techrights [22:57] DaemonFC "Automakers will be required to implement performance monitoring systems such as outside lane assist cameras and sensors, as well as internal equipment that will track head and eye movement." [22:58] techrights_guest|11 "New federal law will require cars to monitor for impaired driving," . the folks writing this shit are probably impaired. [22:58] DaemonFC I wonder how easy it'll be to disable. [22:58] DaemonFC I would literally pay a mechanic to disable it somehow. [22:59] schestowitz-TR drm [22:59] schestowitz-TR deere-like ● Mar 20 [23:00] schestowitz-TR car won't boot [23:00] schestowitz-TR unauthorised sig [23:00] schestowitz-TR 'secue' car [23:00] schestowitz-TR shim for 'secure' car [23:00] schestowitz-TR signed by WEF [23:01] techrights_guest|11 we picked up a 2004 chevy few years ago. we wanted to make a spare key for it. couldnt be done. needed some factory key they no longer made. we also wanted te safety bullshit disabled and bypassed. couldnt be done. sold it at a loss and kept driing our 96. [23:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:02] leah i have been summoned [23:02] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2022/01/02/no-control-over-cars/ [23:02] TR Bot Index: Loss of Control Over Cars | Techrights [23:02] leah matey: yes, https://libreland.libreboot.org/ [23:02] TR Bot Libreland [23:02] leah good day [23:05] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:06] *activelow (~activelow@i8gtth78frzk8.irc) has joined #techrights [23:07] bnchs__ i like how [23:07] bnchs__ i'm looking at the source code of some management program [23:08] techrights_guest|11 Microsoft is trying to retcon installing software on Windows as sideloading.... [23:08] bnchs__ cyber-cafe management client, they have to disable task manager because normally the user can just kill the program [23:09] bnchs__ in unix, they don't have to do this workaround, because the program is running as root [23:09] bnchs__ or some other user [23:09] bnchs__ unix or unix-like* [23:09] techrights_guest|11 i know people today who really beleive it is illegal to install software to their own computer. its. there are no words . how did they get this way. [23:10] bnchs__ techrights_guest|11, yes [23:10] bnchs__ they think it's illegal because FUD [23:10] bnchs__ and shit [23:12] techrights_guest|11 a friend of mine called the other day. she could not get her browser to connect. she works in billing ok. in an office, the manager. what was the problem i said send me a screenshot. her. internet . was not. connected. seriously. could not figure this out. there are no words. [23:12] techrights_guest|11 how do you work in an office. and not know how to connect to the internet . idk. [23:12] bnchs__ this is what happens when you babyproof UI [23:13] bnchs__ back when you had to execute commands in some terminal, people knew more about it [23:13] techrights_guest|11 windows probably. i dont do that either since 7. so maybe windows ui or something. [23:14] bnchs__ there has to be limits to "user-friendly" [23:14] bnchs__ don't make it too user-friendly or else you risk dumbing the users [23:14] techrights_guest|11 seems like even the end end users could do basic stuff even ten years ago. [23:17] DaemonFC we picked up a 2004 chevy few years ago. we wanted to make a spare key for it. couldnt be done. needed some factory key they no longer made. we also wanted te safety bullshit disabled and bypassed. couldnt be done. sold it at a loss and kept driing our 96. [23:17] DaemonFC The mechanic over at Car-X cut out the airbags that had deployed in one guy's car. [23:17] DaemonFC So he could keep driving it. [23:18] DaemonFC I saw a SUV that was all smashed in the other day. [23:18] DaemonFC Black guy behind the wheel both airbags deployed. [23:18] DaemonFC He was just driving it with the airbag in his lap. [23:18] DaemonFC I was like "Dear God....". [23:19] DaemonFC I really should have yanked my dashcam and uploaded that to YouTube. [23:19] techrights_guest|11 wow. [23:20] DaemonFC I am the 1% in this neighborhood. [23:20] DaemonFC I have a 2003 Chevy Impala. [23:20] techrights_guest|11 nice. [23:20] DaemonFC It's a Rolls Royce compared to some of these hoopties you see driving around here, broken suspension parts hanging off of them. [23:21] DaemonFC Front or back all smashed up. [23:21] DaemonFC They use the radiator and the windshield fluid reservoir as their new bumper. [23:21] DaemonFC For the next accident, you know. [23:22] DaemonFC I saw another Impala (a 2010-2013 I think) today. [23:22] DaemonFC The rear stabilizer bar was broken in half and just hanging there. [23:22] MinceR http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/please-feel-free-to-hang-your-employees.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2020/05/employee-complaints-are-down/ ) [23:22] Alternative link Cloudflare: engrish.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/please-feel-free-to-hang-your-employees.jpg [23:22] DaemonFC Bouncing up an down. [23:22] TR Bot timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/please-feel-free-to-hang-your-employees.jpg ) [23:22] TR Bot timed out after 10518 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.engrish.com/2020/05/employee-complaints-are-down/ ) [23:22] DaemonFC It's weird to see that happen. Usually they break at the links. [23:22] DaemonFC Those are cheap. [23:23] techrights_guest|11 'The rear stabilizer bar was broken in half and just hanging there." - this is unreal . what a sight . [23:23] DaemonFC You can buy new links for like $10-15. If you're doing suspension work on the front anyway, you may as well just toss and replace the links if the car has any real age on it. [23:23] DaemonFC 'The rear stabilizer bar was broken in half and just hanging there." - this is unreal . what a sight . [23:23] DaemonFC I've seen much worse. [23:24] DaemonFC There was a black lady in a Honda van a few months back. [23:24] DaemonFC Her rear wheels were caving inward at a 45 degree angle. [23:24] DaemonFC She was driving on them like that. [23:24] DaemonFC (Not for long....) [23:25] matey don't make it too user-friendly or else you risk dumbing the users <- its worse than that [23:25] schestowitz-TR how so? [23:25] matey if you make it too userfriendly they start deprecating the non-stupid features [23:25] DaemonFC It's a vicious cycle, with usability. [23:25] matey "nobody uses them except neckbeards anyway" [23:25] DaemonFC You want more customers, so you make it so the stupid ones should like to use it. [23:25] schestowitz-TR but you still have back button [23:25] schestowitz-TR and power button [23:25] schestowitz-TR and mice with one button [23:25] DaemonFC Then you chase away the rest and only the stupid ones want to use it. [23:25] schestowitz-TR press power twice to.. [23:26] DaemonFC Every time Mandy hands me his iPhone I'm like "How do I get back to the other app? Do something with this!". [23:26] matey prime the cpu, yes [23:26] schestowitz-TR if that does not work, chuck away, buy a new one [23:26] matey but the new ones have an electronic primer, so you dont need to prime the power button anymore [23:26] schestowitz-TR you cannot turn if off [23:27] schestowitz-TR the batteries are all soldered in [23:27] matey it used to be if you pressed the power button too many times, it would flood the cache [23:27] DaemonFC Home Depot has been sending me the same text message about my order arriving tomorrow every hour for the last day. [23:27] schestowitz-TR onyl terrorists would want to turn it ff anyway [23:27] matey then the computer woudl stall [23:27] DaemonFC Only terrorists want "the scanner" off, and child molesters. [23:27] matey it was even worse in cold weather [23:27] DaemonFC You aren't a child molester on your way to blow something up, so why wouldn't you want your files emailed to the police by the iPhone, Roy? [23:27] DaemonFC Nyaah? [23:28] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: and don't forget child-molesting terrorists [23:28] matey /me got a remote starter, turns on the computer with a radio keyfob [23:28] matey so you dont have to walk out in the cold to boot it [23:30] matey ibm had a pc in the 80s, it had a digital cpu but an analogue bus, those were fun times [23:33] matey the main bottleneck of course wasnt the bus itself, it was the dac and adc interfaces [23:35] DaemonFC You mean the children that molest terrorists? [23:35] matey as to why they would do such a ridiculous thing, my guess is they had too many spare parts laying around and decided not to let them go to waste [23:35] DaemonFC I always get the order messed up. [23:36] matey might as well try to sell them in something [23:39] techrights_guest|11 "Toyota Air Conditioning Home Basic Starter Edition. Brought to you by Microsoft." - good stuff [23:39] matey cant tell if its a parody or not ^ [23:39] matey you never can with microsoft [23:39] DaemonFC Does it have AERO Glass or not? Is all I'm wondering.... [23:40] matey actually thats an honest slogan [23:40] matey "you never can _____________ with microsoft" [23:40] techrights_guest|11 https://techrights.org/2021/12/22/restrictive-vessels/ im reading this .. [23:40] TR Bot ( status 404 @ https://techrights.org/2021/12/22/restrictive-vessels/ ) [23:40] matey oh, good [23:41] techrights_guest|11 " I bought a Toyota, but its driving me nuts! Whats wrong with it? Oh, my free trial of Cruise Control ran out and now I have to keep my foot on the pedal! " - good stuff [23:41] matey "my air conditioner is watching me and trying to sell me things" brought to you by google [23:41] matey ^ amazon too [23:41] techrights_guest|11 "my air conditioner is watching me and trying to sell me things" brought to you by google - hahaha [23:42] matey google sells out users, microsoft sells itself [23:42] matey they both sell out users, but microsoft is a little less stylish about it [23:42] techrights_guest|11 so true.so true. [23:43] matey google is like a guy who smiles and buys and buys you a drink before politely asking if youd like to meet in a dark alley for some fun [23:43] matey microsoft just hits you over the head and drags you back to their place [23:43] techrights_guest|11 lol good stuff. [23:43] matey no one will like it, that sort of metaphor is strictly off limits now [23:44] matey even i think it should be used sparingly (but only as a matter of-- i dont know, good taste or something like it) [23:45] matey (biting comedy ( bland comedy ) political correctness ) [23:48] techrights_guest|11 genxr hitting up skate spots and random punk rock shows in tiny venues all through 90s. there was no such thing as pc. pc was doing your best not getting your ass kicked in the pit on friday night. [23:49] matey pc was a way for political sleazeballs to say the right thing and get away with murder while looking good [23:49] matey it still is, only NOW its a virtue! [23:49] techrights_guest|11 yep [23:50] matey there is actually a reasonable argument to not over do rape as a metaphor, whether in comedy or political arguments or both [23:50] matey but any reasonable argument can be turned into a zero tolerance policy and thought policing [23:50] matey and everybody loves zero tolerance policies and thought policing [23:51] matey (at least, anybody who doesnt isnt going to tell you) [23:51] techrights_guest|11 well yeah thats obvious, but i am more saying things like just normal day to day interactions are all very highly pc [23:51] matey funnily enough you can still talk about it just to say "thats not true" and then it basically goes back to being 99% true anyway [23:52] matey things like just normal day to day interactions are all very highly pc <- thats how zero tolerance policies work [23:52] techrights_guest|11 yeah i remember that coming to our high school in 95 [23:52] matey you want to work for debian and not get paid, you have to change the way you do things 24/7 anywhere in the universe [23:52] techrights_guest|11 thats when i got the boot [23:52] matey thats the rules, dont like it, dont be a serf for debian [23:52] matey oh you got kicked out of school? [23:53] techrights_guest|11 too many absences [23:53] matey heheh [23:53] schestowitz-TR t was creeping into mine [23:53] techrights_guest|11 yeah went to c school finished all 4 years in 6 months [23:53] matey nice [23:53] schestowitz-TR some pupil making complaints about our teacher [23:53] techrights_guest|11 amazing what letting a kid learn can do [23:54] matey amazing what letting a kid learn can do <- we try to discourage it, but its easier to do that in a school setting [23:54] techrights_guest|11 public school isnt learning [23:54] matey since obedience takes precedence over the rest [23:54] matey thank ancient china, they invented modern schooling [23:55] techrights_guest|11 yeah . the brightest minds i knew when i was young-all got the boot. more than 12 absences a year = fail grade status be dambed [23:55] matey the brightest minds are not good at conforming [23:55] matey einstein sucked at it, so does rms [23:56] matey lets throw rocks at him [23:56] techrights_guest|11 yeah that was probably it [23:56] schestowitz-TR no, rms was a good student [23:56] matey schestowitz-TR: in college [23:57] matey and actually no, he and gates both broke rules to get more computer time (when no one was using the machines anyway) [23:57] matey that was part of hacker culture [23:57] matey which is non-conformist [23:57] techrights_guest|11 we had good few teachers mid 90s too independent teachers, they got the boot from the high school as well and ended up being our techers in C school. [23:57] matey so yes, the brightest minds are not good at conforming [23:57] matey but academically he did great [23:58] matey which is non-conformist <- hacker culture used to be non-conformist at least. libreplanet sure isnt [23:58] matey pretty soon there will be a code of "ethics" including no gum and no talking [23:58] techrights_guest|11 when i was 18 i took that test for jC, tested out with one class to take . it was fucking boreing though and I had no plans for any more indoctrination station prison camp schooling. went into beverage never looked back. [23:58] matey just take the legal code from singapore and slap "ethics" on it, that should make kuhn happy [23:59] matey then if rms speaks over kuhn (which was a mistake incidentally) instead of ousting him as president we can simply cane him in public