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| cybrNaut | not sure what SmartMove is, but I wrote my own software to find a house | Sep 20 00:02 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It's a "tenant screening" thing. | Sep 20 00:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Turns away all the people with really bad credit, evictions, and serious criminal records. | Sep 20 00:14 |
| cybrNaut | so it's something that is run by property owners/managers? If RMS i the tenant he wouldn't be running it. I don't think he cares if someone else runs non-free s/w | Sep 20 00:16 |
| schestowitz | it's not so much software | Sep 20 00:17 |
| schestowitz | as much as it is a large database | Sep 20 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They make the tenant log in, pay, and run a site with non-Free Javascript. | Sep 20 00:17 |
| schestowitz | the algorithm just does the scoring based on so-called 'big data' | Sep 20 00:18 |
| schestowitz | so it's more a privacy issue than a software freedom issue | Sep 20 00:18 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: RMS found a place after advertising in his site | Sep 20 00:18 |
| cybrNaut | oh, that's bizarre.. who's to say a tenant even has a pc and internet access. | Sep 20 00:18 |
| schestowitz | maybe this is part of the screening | Sep 20 00:19 |
| schestowitz | if you don't have those, they won't want to bother with you | Sep 20 00:19 |
| schestowitz | same for unemployed people | Sep 20 00:19 |
| schestowitz | nowadays some people treat those who pay with cash and don't carry around "mobile" like anarchistic lepers | Sep 20 00:20 |
| cybrNaut | i might refuse to touch SmartMove if I were a tenant | Sep 20 00:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You also have to have an email address or it won't work. | Sep 20 00:20 |
| schestowitz | the media contributes to this image | Sep 20 00:20 |
| schestowitz | associating them with conspiracy theorists and stuff | Sep 20 00:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <cybrNaut "i might refuse to touch SmartMov"> There are some landlords that don't use it, mostly in the ghetto. | Sep 20 00:20 |
| schestowitz | like "anti-5G" people, who now became a caricature -- people who think radio waves can cause covid | Sep 20 00:21 |
| schestowitz | you might not want to have a landlord that requires it | Sep 20 00:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The property manager where I lived with John, briefly, last year before the incident used SmartMove and he was like 80. | Sep 20 00:22 |
| cybrNaut | in the US there are equality rules with housing. They can require you to prove to be able to pay rent, but proving that you have specific assets sounds like actionable discrimination. | Sep 20 00:22 |
| schestowitz | and wherenever rms lives now in boston mass. (I am guessing he's still there), I doubt it came with this spying "screening" stuff... and listening devices | Sep 20 00:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Credit checks have been a common condition of leasing for as long as I've been an adult. | Sep 20 00:23 |
| schestowitz | apparently some tenants are made to accept being wiretapped in their own home through Amazon | Sep 20 00:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But now SmartMove goes beyond that and estimates income, sees if you have evictions, and looks up criminal records. | Sep 20 00:23 |
| cybrNaut | screening is ok, but requiring a tentant to have a PC & Internet is dicey | Sep 20 00:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why do you think I'm living in a motel? | Sep 20 00:24 |
| cybrNaut | someone who is disabled in certain ways may not have a PC | Sep 20 00:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm not even sure I could pass a rental screening right now. They don't necessarily look past the bankruptcy or the misdemeanor in this neck of the woods. | Sep 20 00:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most of the nicer apartment complexes say they don't care about misdemeanors as long as it wasn't "weapons related in the last 2 years". | Sep 20 00:25 |
| schestowitz | You could argue that people who over-adopt bad technology should be penalised in scoring | Sep 20 00:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, Disorderly Conduct and no conviction isn't a conviction for a weapons violation. | Sep 20 00:25 |
| schestowitz | they overspend on things that harm themselves and other tenants and neighbours | Sep 20 00:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But who knows? | Sep 20 00:25 |
| cybrNaut | i have a property to rent out, but it bothers me that property managers want to force me to allow them to dig up all kinds of shit on tenants. It's bizarre that they usually have a specific ban on tenants who have had a drug conviction. I don't give a shit if my tenant has a drug offense | Sep 20 00:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Might just wait until next year when it's been past 2 years and then apply. | Sep 20 00:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They consider it a "risk". Doesn't matter if they never hurt anyone and never would. | Sep 20 00:26 |
| schestowitz | Facebook is a data broker on those | Sep 20 00:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You might want to avoid a drug dealer. | Sep 20 00:26 |
| schestowitz | digging up and analysing people's thoughts, possessions etc. | Sep 20 00:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But simple possession, I probably wouldn't. Especially if it happened a long time ago and nothing since. | Sep 20 00:27 |
| schestowitz | drugs aren't universal either, depends which drugs | Sep 20 00:27 |
| schestowitz | if someone smokes pot, it'll make the home stink | Sep 20 00:27 |
| schestowitz | but likely won't lead to unruly behaviour | Sep 20 00:27 |
| schestowitz | you don't want heroin addicts | Sep 20 00:28 |
| schestowitz | nor will residents nearby | Sep 20 00:28 |
| cybrNaut | i'd like to find a management company that says "we don't screen ppl -- we just evict if they give us problems" I'd hire them. | Sep 20 00:28 |
| schestowitz | some people are addicted to alcohol | Sep 20 00:28 |
| schestowitz | does that count? | Sep 20 00:28 |
| schestowitz | they might vomit on carpets | Sep 20 00:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My landlord in Huntington, IN moved an alcoholic in. | Sep 20 00:29 |
| cybrNaut | tobacco makes a home stink worse than mj | Sep 20 00:29 |
| schestowitz | it does | Sep 20 00:29 |
| schestowitz | so again | Sep 20 00:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She stiffed him on the rent and by the time he had her out, she had lived there for 9 months without paying him. | Sep 20 00:29 |
| cybrNaut | i'm more inclined to say "no tobacco indoors, mj is fine (due to medicinal needs)" | Sep 20 00:29 |
| schestowitz | my point is, asking about legal and illegal drugs might miss the point. The legal ones can be just as bad. | Sep 20 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Some people are addicted to medical drugs. | Sep 20 00:29 |
| schestowitz | ones you buy over the shelf | Sep 20 00:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, and you won't know if they're an alcoholic or a smoker because you can't get arrested for smoking a cigarette. | Sep 20 00:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Unless they have a DUI, you'll never know if they're a drunkard. | Sep 20 00:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That too. | Sep 20 00:30 |
| cybrNaut | Indian cooking also makes a home stink | Sep 20 00:31 |
| cybrNaut | once a curry kitchen, always a curry kitchen AFAIK | Sep 20 00:31 |
| cybrNaut | not sure how to control that | Sep 20 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Chinese cooking also | Sep 20 00:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Thanks for the hate crime there, mate!" | Sep 20 00:32 |
| schestowitz | my ex girlfriend's apartment absolutely stank | Sep 20 00:32 |
| Chaekyung | They don't have vents above their stoves in india/china/us appartments where they live? | Sep 20 00:32 |
| schestowitz | they do | Sep 20 00:33 |
| schestowitz | extractors we call them | Sep 20 00:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're lucky if they have apartments. | Sep 20 00:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They build a wall so they don't have to look at the other billion people camped out in tents. | Sep 20 00:33 |
| schestowitz | it's the spices mostly | Sep 20 00:33 |
| Chaekyung | right, extractor is the right English word | Sep 20 00:33 |
| schestowitz | and maybe we're not used to those spices, so the odour seems worse to us than they are to them | Sep 20 00:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My point is you can rent only to tenants that pass SmartMove and still end up with freaks who destroy the place and miss rent and move out in the middle of the night. | Sep 20 00:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So what the hell good is it? | Sep 20 00:34 |
| schestowitz | no guarantee that those who pass background checks are any good, either | Sep 20 00:35 |
| schestowitz | it's based on presumption of accuracy | Sep 20 00:35 |
| schestowitz | based on "hey hi" and "big DAYTAH" | Sep 20 00:35 |
| schestowitz | some spoiled rich brat can do a lot of damage to a home | Sep 20 00:35 |
| schestowitz | parties, wine spills, etc. | Sep 20 00:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At least three tenants moved out on Joy with rent due because she's a fucking bitch and they all passed SmartMove. | Sep 20 00:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 4 if you include us. | Sep 20 00:35 |
| schestowitz | the person who appreciates having a place will treat it like his/her own | Sep 20 00:36 |
| schestowitz | remember: people who have little value little | Sep 20 00:36 |
| schestowitz | so an apartment they have they might look after very well | Sep 20 00:36 |
| schestowitz | but they might not have a PC or pass credit scores if they're based on the wrong parameters | Sep 20 00:37 |
| schestowitz | I once heard that people who never borrowed are ranked low | Sep 20 00:37 |
| schestowitz | and I thought, wait, what?! | Sep 20 00:37 |
| schestowitz | If you never need to go to lenders, then you're treated as "unknown"? | Sep 20 00:37 |
| schestowitz | as in, better to borrow some money to seem more credible? | Sep 20 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Apparently in the UK that's how it works | Sep 20 00:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pretty much. No score can be worse than a bad one. | Sep 20 00:37 |
| schestowitz | They score lack of data badly | Sep 20 00:38 |
| schestowitz | to the point one bank once refused to open an account for me (they did years later) | Sep 20 00:38 |
| schestowitz | they contact some spy firms | Sep 20 00:38 |
| schestowitz | and if there's no file on you, then you're seen as dodgy | Sep 20 00:38 |
| schestowitz | no FB account, no purchasing history etc. | Sep 20 00:39 |
| Chaekyung | schestowitz: out of curiousity, how "bad" (depending on how you look at it) is your phone/desktop ratio these days? Mine's about 3:1 on slow days and 5+:1 on busy ones now | Sep 20 00:39 |
| schestowitz | TBH, I'm really terrible for banks | Sep 20 00:39 |
| schestowitz | they want people who borrow | Sep 20 00:39 |
| schestowitz | they keep spamming me a dozen times a year with "credit" offers | Sep 20 00:39 |
| schestowitz | I keep balance low, I use face-to-face services, come to pick up cash, hardly ever gives them any revenue | Sep 20 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Chaekyung: I don't use phone | Sep 20 00:40 |
| schestowitz | atm there are 5 laptops around me | Sep 20 00:41 |
| Chaekyung | I mean your website. if you parse logs | Sep 20 00:41 |
| schestowitz | because the wife went to sleep, I take her pair of laptops | Sep 20 00:41 |
| cybrNaut | schestowitz> Apparently in the UK that's how it works <= US also. No credit is bad credit | Sep 20 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Chaekyung: I never checked | Sep 20 00:41 |
| schestowitz | most 'phones' have high res | Sep 20 00:41 |
| schestowitz | and zoom function | Sep 20 00:41 |
| schestowitz | so if it's 800px across, they should be able to manage | Sep 20 00:42 |
| schestowitz | cybrNaut: wow, that's amazingly appalling | Sep 20 00:42 |
| schestowitz | a friend (wife's cousin in yorkshire) said it's good to borrow just to make a credit file | Sep 20 00:42 |
| schestowitz | which is... well, only good for the banks | Sep 20 00:42 |
| schestowitz | getting people to pay back with interest... for something they don't need... or be penalised. Like a form of "revenge" | Sep 20 00:43 |
| schestowitz | no borrowing? we'll make your life harder | Sep 20 00:43 |
| schestowitz | we'll get you 'blacklisted' for not paying us monthly taxes | Sep 20 00:43 |
| MinceR | forced purchases... familiar from somewhere :> | Sep 20 00:43 |
| cybrNaut | indeed to get a good credit score you have to do all kinds of stupid shit. It even helps the credit score to occasionally default and make a late payment, b/c creditors see ppl paying late fees as more profitable | Sep 20 00:44 |
| schestowitz | hahaha | Sep 20 00:44 |
| schestowitz | ridiculous | Sep 20 00:45 |
| cybrNaut | too much credit is also bad credit, because you're seen as a flight risk | Sep 20 00:45 |
| schestowitz | it's like trump epa officials | Sep 20 00:45 |
| schestowitz | have some pollutions | Sep 20 00:45 |
| schestowitz | pollution sources | Sep 20 00:45 |
| schestowitz | to make the lungs more robust | Sep 20 00:45 |
| cybrNaut | so to play the game and dance for the banking giants you have to have just the right amount of credit compared to what you use | Sep 20 00:45 |
| schestowitz | clean air is bad for you | Sep 20 00:45 |
| schestowitz | makes you weak | Sep 20 00:45 |
| cybrNaut | lol | Sep 20 00:46 |
| cybrNaut | Trump also says the wild fires are not a climate problem, they're a "forest management problem" | Sep 20 00:47 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I racked up six figures in debt and filed bankruptcy. | Sep 20 00:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Discover gave me a new credit card. | Sep 20 00:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > Trump also says the wild fires are not a climate problem, they're a "forest management problem" | Sep 20 01:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Complete with exploding trees. | Sep 20 01:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Someone should really manage those. | Sep 20 01:01 |
| schestowitz | congrats, I guess? | Sep 20 01:01 |
| schestowitz | happy birthday? | Sep 20 01:01 |
| schestowitz | those cards are not gifts or gift cards | Sep 20 01:01 |
| schestowitz | they represent subjugation | Sep 20 01:01 |
| cybrNaut | banks make fortunes by keeping ppl in debt. They want to keep ppl in debt as long and as deep as possible just short of bankruptcy. If you filed bankruptcy, they probably still see you as someone they can potentially exploit | Sep 20 01:03 |
| cybrNaut | the debtors carry everyone's weight, which is why credit cards and bank accounts are gratis | Sep 20 01:04 |
| cybrNaut | it's a way for the well-off ppl to freeload on those struggling | Sep 20 01:05 |
| Chaekyung | I had a credit card, just one, for something like 5 years before I paid thte credit card bill a week late due to travel. | Sep 20 01:06 |
| Chaekyung | I had never gotten any spam mail with credit card offers, ever. | Sep 20 01:06 |
| Chaekyung | I got 4 the following month. | Sep 20 01:06 |
| Chaekyung | That tells you something, doesn't it | Sep 20 01:06 |
| oiaohm | Depends on your countries laws https://www.finder.com.au/2018-2019-credit-card-reforms-explained | Sep 20 01:08 |
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| oiaohm | Like since 2018 its been illegal in Australia to send out offers. | Sep 20 01:09 |
| oiaohm | Its also illegal to setup a credit card that min payment will not pay off in time. | Sep 20 01:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > banks make fortunes by keeping ppl in debt. They want to keep ppl in debt as long and as deep as possible just short of bankruptcy. If you filed bankruptcy, they probably still see you as someone they can potentially exploit | Sep 20 01:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You file and you can't do it again for 8 years. | Sep 20 01:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In some ways you're less risky. | Sep 20 01:23 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: depends on country. | Sep 20 01:23 |
| oiaohm | Australia bankrupy on adverage lasts 3 years can be more or less. Once that time is up you can insantly file again. Also you can only get controlled credit while in bankruptcy. That is personal loan class no credit cards. | Sep 20 01:25 |
| oiaohm | Yes lending a person who is bankrupt in Australia more money than they can pay and feed self and house self is how bank will lose money. As the supervisor of the bankruptcy can declare the loan contract void. | Sep 20 01:27 |
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| Chaekyung | you seem to know a lot about the Australia, are you from there? | Sep 20 01:28 |
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| oiaohm | Chaekyung: I live in Australia | Sep 20 01:30 |
| Chaekyung | I see. How's the government going 200 miles beyond nazi germany over night due to a virus hoax working out for you? https://yoona.everdot.org/covid_deaths_in_sweden_2020-09-20.jpg | Sep 20 01:32 |
| Chaekyung | What I see from Australia these days is pure insanity worse than both Soviet and Nazi Germany | Sep 20 01:32 |
| oiaohm | Chaekyung: its not that bad where i am. https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-current-situation-and-case-numbers | Sep 20 01:37 |
| oiaohm | Australia fairly much down to 2 states with trouble. | Sep 20 01:37 |
| oiaohm | Yes it trouble for those in New South Wales and Victoria that want to get out. | Sep 20 01:38 |
| Chaekyung | I think Victoria is the bat-shit insane one I've seen videos from | Sep 20 01:39 |
| oiaohm | They are bringing the numbers under control. | Sep 20 01:39 |
| Chaekyung | you don't need to "brnig numbers under control". | Sep 20 01:40 |
| oiaohm | Victoria is going to avoid a medical system overload. | Sep 20 01:40 |
| Chaekyung | I call bs | Sep 20 01:40 |
| oiaohm | Yes you do | Sep 20 01:40 |
| oiaohm | If you don't bring covid-19 under control you end up with more people needing critical care than you have beds for. | Sep 20 01:40 |
| Chaekyung | perhaps being a frog being slow-boiled alive has made you a bit blind | Sep 20 01:40 |
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| oiaohm | Victoria second wave got very close to hit that limit in a few places. | Sep 20 01:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | oiaohm You can only get a secured card when you come put of bank.bankruptcy | Sep 20 01:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It really only makes sense to put enpugh to charge purchases you're likely to make and then pay your bill on time. | Sep 20 01:41 |
| Chaekyung | oiaohm: I'll just paste you the very same link https://yoona.everdot.org/covid_deaths_in_sweden_2020-09-20.jpg again and let you carefully consider that we did absolutely NOTHING, we did not have lockdowns, we don't wear facemasks, we didn't care at all, and we've had about one death per week the last few months in a country with 10 million | Sep 20 01:42 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | They return your deposit when they feel you can be trusted again. That may take as little as 8 months depending on the creditor. | Sep 20 01:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But you can be back up over 700 in a year or two, even with a bank. | Sep 20 01:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *bankruptcy | Sep 20 01:43 |
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| Chaekyung | oiaohm: You're entitled to your scared shittless by your media and government brainwashed opinion, of course, I'm just saying that living your life as usual, going out in the sun, doing whatever you usually do, works better than the insanity in Australia | Sep 20 01:43 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: https://www.afsa.gov.au/insolvency/cant-pay-my-debts/debt-comparison-table Its fun with Australia. If you go into debt with a credit card it really in the party who issued you with the credit card to cancel it quickly because you don't have to pay it. | Sep 20 01:44 |
| oiaohm | Chaekyung: there are a lot of interesting numbers. Australia has tracked a lot of covid-19 to population density. | Sep 20 01:45 |
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| MinceR | Chaekyung: i've heard that swedes were pretty disciplined about following the recommendations | Sep 20 01:48 |
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| Chaekyung | MinceR: they haven't really recommended anything that's not generally a good idea. Like, you should probably wash your hands a few times a day even if there isn't some scare hoax being broadcast around the clock in foreign media | Sep 20 01:51 |
| oiaohm | Chaekyung: https://www.thelocal.se/20200810/testing-and-tracing-crucial-to-next-phase-of-swedens-coronavirus-outbreak-tegnell But the swedens have not being doing nothing either. There has been a lot of contact tracing. | Sep 20 01:52 |
| oiaohm | Washing hands is one of the best protections against viruses that people have not been doing. | Sep 20 01:54 |
| Chaekyung | in some ways that and the "social distancing" thing makes it kind of good that other countries have this constant fear mongering in their media | Sep 20 01:56 |
| Chaekyung | before people would stand like crammed next to you in the que at the store | Sep 20 01:56 |
| Chaekyung | now they are like half a meter away | Sep 20 01:56 |
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| Chaekyung | that aspect is good | Sep 20 01:56 |
| oiaohm | Also the 1.5 meters social distancing is something people going to Sweden had to be aware of before covid-19. You can upset sweden people by being a person they don't know getting close. | Sep 20 01:56 |
| Chaekyung | nah that's finland oiaohm | Sep 20 01:57 |
| oiaohm | So Sweden started this mess with social distancing already in place. | Sep 20 01:57 |
| Chaekyung | finland is where they stab you if you stand too close to theme at the bus-stop | Sep 20 01:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, your credit cards go away in bankruptcy here too. | Sep 20 01:58 |
| oiaohm | finland get savage but sweden people still did not like what was normal Australian socal distancing before covid-19. | Sep 20 01:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They could do real account reviews and cut you off, but they don't care until you can't make minimum payments anymore. | Sep 20 01:58 |
| Chaekyung | https://finnishcrashcourse.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/fpv0whf.jpg <- notice the date | Sep 20 01:59 |
| oiaohm | Chaekyung: think before covid-19 it was nothing strange here in Australia to bump into each other passing throw shoping ques and the like. | Sep 20 01:59 |
| Chaekyung | https://cdn.musebycl.io/2020-01/Nissan-Finland-1.jpg | Sep 20 01:59 |
| oiaohm | So a natural social distance of Australia before covid-19 was basically zero. | Sep 20 01:59 |
| oiaohm | Yes changing a wrong natural social distance is not exactly simple. | Sep 20 02:00 |
| oiaohm | Chaekyung: https://www.straitstimes.com/business/economy/echoes-of-great-depression-as-australian-jobless-queue-for-help This is Australian queing for unemployment payments with social distancing in place. We really don't have a good idea how to social distance | Sep 20 02:02 |
| oiaohm | Yes the top photo is currentish there. You don't want to see how tight before people were attemping to social distance somewhat. | Sep 20 02:03 |
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| Chaekyung | >queue outside an Australian government welfare centre | Sep 20 02:03 |
| Chaekyung | >Australian government welfare centre | Sep 20 02:03 |
| Chaekyung | well that fiures | Sep 20 02:04 |
| Chaekyung | figures | Sep 20 02:04 |
| Chaekyung | and it's march, the one month were there were actually a few cases here. | Sep 20 02:04 |
| oiaohm | I understand why to Swedish people the amount of advertising Australia is doing on social distancing and need for masks and the like makes little sense. | Sep 20 02:05 |
| oiaohm | to them | Sep 20 02:06 |
| oiaohm | its not being aware how screwed up Australian social distance has been and how hard that is to fix. | Sep 20 02:06 |
| oiaohm | https://www.alamy.com/people-queueing-at-the-melbourne-park-gate-to-enter-the-stadium-for-the-australian-open-image351612248.html This is a stock photo taken just before Australia started pushing for social distancing. | Sep 20 02:07 |
| oiaohm | There has been a big problem in Australia for social distancing where if you would historically space out to a fair distance between people that someone would just cut in line in front of you. | Sep 20 02:08 |
| MinceR | good to know people are savages over there too :> | Sep 20 02:08 |
| oiaohm | Really with Australian criminal historic and pick pockets you would have though their would have been more natural social distancing but no that not the case. | Sep 20 02:10 |
| oiaohm | We need government to regulate common sense human spacing at least for a while. | Sep 20 02:10 |
| oiaohm | and hopefully that comes part of our natural socal culture. | Sep 20 02:11 |
| oiaohm | Thinking in Australia our highest population density is 174 people per sq km on city area. There is really no need to que in this country with zero space we more than have the space not to que tight. | Sep 20 02:16 |
| oiaohm | Chaekyung: basically a lot of the things you need to do to deal with covid-19 effectively are proper sanity. Issue here is places like Australia we have not being doing everything sanely. I remember 10 years back where you had to have a doctor certificate to get off work if sick and if you conditions were not bad enough doctor was not legally allowed to issue either.l | Sep 20 02:19 |
| oiaohm | Now you have illness you must not go to work. | Sep 20 02:19 |
| oiaohm | Years of doing this stuff wrong takes some very messy and extreamish measures to fix. | Sep 20 02:20 |
| oiaohm | Victoria mess in Australia is caused by putting quarantine security out to tender and using the cheapest contract with the lowest education. | Sep 20 02:25 |
| oiaohm | Again that is something sweden never would do. | Sep 20 02:25 |
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| schestowitz | wow. How he skips GNU. https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=-rPPqm44xLs | Sep 20 03:04 |
| schestowitz | like GNU never existed! | Sep 20 03:04 |
| schestowitz | MINIX, Linux... | Sep 20 03:04 |
| schestowitz | burying GNU | Sep 20 03:05 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: techically if you are talking about Unix GNU does not exist. | Sep 20 03:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bankruptcy law in Australia seems to be similar except you.can do it kore often. | Sep 20 03:19 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: GNU is UNIX tools reimplemented | Sep 20 03:19 |
| schestowitz | the library of programs | Sep 20 03:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Here you have to stay out of debt for at least long enough to file again. | Sep 20 03:19 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | That's 8 years. But it usually takes about a year or two after default to get sued. | Sep 20 03:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you might string them along long enough to file again. | Sep 20 03:20 |
| schestowitz | he also says "open source" a lot | Sep 20 03:20 |
| schestowitz | that term is phony | Sep 20 03:20 |
| schestowitz | he means to say Free software | Sep 20 03:20 |
| schestowitz | but that comes to show how revisionism and lies go | Sep 20 03:20 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: GNU= GNU is Not Unix . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Unix_history-simple.svg Minix and Linux are both Unix like not in the Unix famaly tree. | Sep 20 03:21 |
| schestowitz | to the point where those who explain the past use modern newspeak | Sep 20 03:21 |
| schestowitz | that does not actually allude to what happened in the past | Sep 20 03:21 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: GNU mimics | Sep 20 03:21 |
| schestowitz | UNIX | Sep 20 03:21 |
| schestowitz | so it is not UNIX | Sep 20 03:21 |
| schestowitz | Linux is not UNIX, either | Sep 20 03:21 |
| oiaohm | Exactly so if you are purely talking about Unix history Linux, Minix and GNU really should not appear. | Sep 20 03:22 |
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| schestowitz | I am talking about last minute of the video | Sep 20 03:26 |
| schestowitz | he leaps past gnu | Sep 20 03:26 |
| schestowitz | and pretends it all got liberated because of some finnish student | Sep 20 03:26 |
| schestowitz | and mentions minix as well | Sep 20 03:26 |
| schestowitz | never gnu | Sep 20 03:26 |
| schestowitz | or "Free software" | Sep 20 03:26 |
| oiaohm | To be correct a lot of Unix users did not find out about GNU until Linux took off. | Sep 20 03:35 |
| oiaohm | minix did make it into universities | Sep 20 03:35 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: I would say the timeline in his video would have been how it appeared to him. | Sep 20 03:36 |
| oiaohm | He also skips over that where cases with alot of early unix that you installed GNU stuff like the GNU compilier and your support contract went by by off your mainframe. | Sep 20 03:38 |
| oiaohm | It really was not until Minix/Linux that Unix vendors started getting more open to third party core parts. | Sep 20 03:38 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: so the time line is kind of right. The big break was not GNU but Linux and Minix putting up full systems so those doing Unix could not be as much of a support contract ass. | Sep 20 03:40 |
| oiaohm | I still remember having to do a tafe course in 2000 and having to produce the legal documenttion that using open source software was legal. | Sep 20 03:42 |
| oiaohm | and could not be a case to void their support contract. | Sep 20 03:43 |
| oiaohm | that was the first time I had to deal with Unisys and when I found out that old Unix support companies were assholes and at time insanely anti open source. | Sep 20 03:44 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: question have you ever had to deal with those old school Unix support companies:? | Sep 20 03:46 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | <oiaohm "that was the first time I had to"> Yeah, because they knew they had a matter of 5 or 10 years left tops, before the bankruptcy. | Sep 20 05:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Usually at that point the only plan for the company is the CEO and Board starts embezzling it down to nothing. | Sep 20 05:50 |
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| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/09/can-academic-peer-review-learn.html?showComment=1600365269314#c8997201660180120836 | Sep 20 07:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 20 07:06 |
| schestowitz | Rose Hughes's employer is Astra Zeneca, currently busy working with the boffins at Oxford University to bring a C19 vaccine to market. Surely, Stanfield, all involved are on board with the idea that one tells the Patent Office before one tells anybody else. Keep an eye also on the CRISPR patent battles just developing, and how much disclosure there was during the American grace period before the respective patent applications were | Sep 20 07:06 |
| schestowitz | filed. I suspect there wasn't much. | Sep 20 07:06 |
| schestowitz | I suspect nearly all "academics" these days are well-aware of the financial consequences of not filing patent applications early. How about the perovskite story, patented by Isis Innovation (ie Oxford University)? Surprisingly big performance improvement, out of the blue, in the field of solar panel electricity generation. How much are those patents going to be worth? | Sep 20 07:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 20 07:06 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-uk-takes-final-step-out-of-unitary.html?showComment=1600365219335#c2103887459842234278 | Sep 20 07:17 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 20 07:17 |
| schestowitz | "If Germany would nevertheless ratify with Art 7(2) UPCA as it stands, the risk is great that a constitutional complaint on this topic might be successful." | Sep 20 07:17 |
| schestowitz | It is known that the Court waited to pass the Brexit date of 31st January to publish its decision. | Sep 20 07:17 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 20 07:17 |
| schestowitz | by zoobab | Sep 20 07:17 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: what is it known>by<? | Sep 20 07:17 |
| schestowitz | I must have missed that | Sep 20 07:17 |
| schestowitz | the decision came 50 days later | Sep 20 07:17 |
| schestowitz | who was it known TO? | Sep 20 07:17 |
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| schestowitz | x https://www.windowslatest.com/2020/09/20/microsoft-acknowledges-windows-10-kb4571756-issue/ | Sep 20 08:16 |
| schestowitz | # more of the same, this is not a new problem with windoze patches | Sep 20 08:16 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 | Sep 20 08:17 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: this is in google news https://asumetech.com/germany-will-break-3-worldwide-arrangements-with-unitary-patent-states-ffii/ | Sep 20 09:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-asumetech.com | Germany will break 3 worldwide arrangements with Unitary Patent, states FFII - Asume Tech | Sep 20 09:37 | |
| zoobab | strange some parts were rewritten | Sep 20 09:50 |
| schestowitz | hmm.. | Sep 20 09:50 |
| schestowitz | without giving you back the changes? | Sep 20 09:50 |
| schestowitz | when I made slight amendments I listed all of them to you | Sep 20 09:50 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20012318 | Sep 20 12:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4302661) | Sep 20 12:14 | |
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| schestowitz | Ariadne: viera has fallen offline | Sep 20 12:44 |
| schestowitz | I've only just noticed | Sep 20 12:44 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/2001229 | Sep 20 12:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4300111) | Sep 20 12:46 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: I think you posted this in the past | Sep 20 12:50 |
| schestowitz | 1-2 years ago | Sep 20 12:50 |
| schestowitz | or similar joke | Sep 20 12:50 |
| *XRevan86 also thinks so. | Sep 20 12:50 | |
| schestowitz | different image | Sep 20 12:50 |
| XRevan86 | possibly several times :) | Sep 20 12:50 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 20 12:51 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20012165 | Sep 20 13:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4299566) | Sep 20 13:10 | |
| XRevan86 | All ratings are equal. | Sep 20 13:12 |
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| MinceR | but some ratings are more equal than others | Sep 20 13:41 |
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| MinceR | (cat) (no audio) https://i.imgur.com/1e28Tf0.mp4 | Sep 20 13:46 |
| scientes | why am I so tired every day? | Sep 20 13:48 |
| schestowitz | exit the box | Sep 20 14:19 |
| inky | i think it is time for all self respecting blog engines to join the federation and start supporting one of the protocols: diaspora, or activitypub, or ostatus. | Sep 20 14:20 |
| inky | rss/openid are not enough any more. | Sep 20 14:20 |
| inky | and it is more fun the federation way. | Sep 20 14:21 |
| smnthermes | > inky wrote: | Sep 20 14:23 |
| smnthermes | > rss/openid are not enough any more. | Sep 20 14:23 |
| smnthermes | Why? | Sep 20 14:23 |
| schestowitz | rss is neutral | Sep 20 14:24 |
| schestowitz | no middlemen in pods and instances | Sep 20 14:25 |
| schestowitz | it's like each RSS feed of a site is its own pod | Sep 20 14:25 |
| schestowitz | with no need for extra server/hardware | Sep 20 14:25 |
| schestowitz | decentralisation was already there before the Facebooks or the world | Sep 20 14:25 |
| inky | because people today we are used other functionality, we like to check in, we want to limit some shares to be seen by only one or other group of people, we want to manage if/how our contacts are visible to these or that contacts. | Sep 20 14:26 |
| inky | there are fun things we have there | Sep 20 14:26 |
| Chaekyung | there was some but it wasn't as bad as it is now, and it gets worse each year. Some recent numbers said you and I are fighting for something like 8% of web traffic. The rest is split between Google, Facebook and, oddly, Microsoft | Sep 20 14:26 |
| inky | also i think it is very hard to convince many people to join mastodon or diaspora, but it is much more appealing for them to open a blog. | Sep 20 14:27 |
| tdemin | inky, most people have nothing to write and can't, really | Sep 20 14:28 |
| inky | and if they open a blog which has federatdon support they dont need to have an account on federation to share the posts, but it would be possible to subscribe and follow tdem, respond right from tde fediverse. | Sep 20 14:28 |
| inky | sorry i am from screen kbd, hard to write, thus typos. | Sep 20 14:29 |
| tdemin | > follow them | and it would look crap in pretty much any fedi software | Sep 20 14:29 |
| tdemin | we already have problems with masto users looking at broken markup posted by pleroma users | Sep 20 14:30 |
| inky | schestowitz: no middle man if your standalone blog is its own diaspora or ap instance. | Sep 20 14:30 |
| tdemin | you DON'T want to read blogs in your fedi software | Sep 20 14:30 |
| tdemin | you just don't | Sep 20 14:30 |
| tdemin | inky, the instance you follow from is the middle man | Sep 20 14:31 |
| inky | i am on my own instance (: both diaspora and mastodon. | Sep 20 14:32 |
| inky | my diaspora pod is up since 2012 | Sep 20 14:32 |
| inky | tdemin actually i did not fitd a agood rss reader and i brought all the feuds i read to diapora to read from there | Sep 20 14:33 |
| tdemin | inky, you still have to cover the expense costs and you aren't very likely to have it running on the server you control physically, so you still have a middle man | Sep 20 14:33 |
| inky | but if i like tdem on diaspora they have no idea about it. | Sep 20 14:33 |
| tdemin | inky, start using autocompletion already, screen kbd is of little issue if you're not an iPhone 5 user | Sep 20 14:34 |
| tdemin | inky, there's Tiny Tiny RSS, and, unlike fedi software, you don't have to have to self-host in order to use it | Sep 20 14:35 |
| tdemin | d/to have/ | Sep 20 14:35 |
| tdemin | IRC bad | Sep 20 14:35 |
| inky | i am on nailfish and dvorak kbd has no autocomplete. | Sep 20 14:37 |
| inky | sailfish. sorry, need to drive. soo you. | Sep 20 14:37 |
| inky | see u | Sep 20 14:39 |
| tdemin | > running a mobile kbd with no completion | Sep 20 14:39 |
| tdemin | like srsly | Sep 20 14:39 |
| tdemin | this is just inefficient and basically useless | Sep 20 14:42 |
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| schestowitz | "The Unitary Patent system keeps coming back to the pages of the IP blogs. Last week, the Preparatory Committee of the UPC published a press release, stating that ‘the unitary patent system [is] to be functional in near future’. Kluwer Patent Blog summed up the latest developments (and hurdles) on the road to a functional UPC. " | Sep 20 16:45 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/09/around-ip-blogs_20.html | Sep 20 16:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Around the IP Blogs - The IPKat | Sep 20 16:45 | |
| schestowitz | "Afro-IP blog shared a guest post on the value of the intellectual property in times of Covid-19. Examples such as the recent confusion between Zoom and Zoom Technologies on the stock market, outlined the Afro-IP blog, remind of the importance of a careful due diligence review." | Sep 20 16:50 |
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| MinceR | https://files.catbox.moe/wh13be.png | Sep 20 18:47 |
| scientes | MinceR, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwoMTsSdEGs | Sep 20 18:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-North Korean conflict summarized - YouTube | Sep 20 18:48 | |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 20 18:48 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yeah, you are right that it is sad those youth wanted to use latin to write georgian | Sep 20 19:06 |
| scientes | the older generation that was raised soviet has no problem with the georgian script | Sep 20 19:06 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Don't remember saying that, but the Latin script is generally not well-adapted for various languages of the world, so odds are I did :) | Sep 20 19:06 |
| scientes | I've also gotten some e-mails that are both georgian and latin-georgian | Sep 20 19:07 |
| scientes | the latin-georgian also sucks because you can't put it into the translate application | Sep 20 19:07 |
| scientes | and yes, it is also poor for georgian | Sep 20 19:07 |
| scientes | however I was suprised when I was at the hospital and the nurse entered russian in latin and it translated it no problem | Sep 20 19:08 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Google Translate can parse "translit" | Sep 20 19:08 |
| XRevan86 | for Russian at least | Sep 20 19:08 |
| scientes | but only russian translit | Sep 20 19:08 |
| scientes | not georgian translit | Sep 20 19:08 |
| XRevan86 | just confirming | Sep 20 19:08 |
| scientes | I really hope Mozilla's speech recognition/translation stuff comes along to that level | Sep 20 19:09 |
| scientes | it would be nice to have a libre software solution | Sep 20 19:09 |
| XRevan86 | It's weird that even though Unicode has won the trend towards the lowest common denominator continues. | Sep 20 19:12 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yes | Sep 20 19:12 |
| scientes | not just unicode, but utf-8 | Sep 20 19:13 |
| scientes | and if you noticed, cyrillic is the very first block of unicode | Sep 20 19:13 |
| scientes | after the legacy latin-1 block | Sep 20 19:13 |
| XRevan86 | ASCII is first-er | Sep 20 19:13 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: That's probably also legacy of thinking of Russia as a prominant nation :) | Sep 20 19:14 |
| XRevan86 | today I think the second block would've been Greek | Sep 20 19:14 |
| scientes | well, the annexation of Crimea was reminiscent of the British war to take that in order to "contain the Russian bear" | Sep 20 19:15 |
| scientes | and I was just watching Color of Pomogranates | Sep 20 19:15 |
| scientes | it doesn't really matter | Sep 20 19:16 |
| scientes | Arabic is the most interesting one, along with the standardized RTL algorithm | Sep 20 19:16 |
| XRevan86 | Ukraine begs to differ %) | Sep 20 19:16 |
| scientes | I was talking about the unicode stuff %) | Sep 20 19:16 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I think Cyrillic would've been one of the first ones simply because it's a Greek alphabet derivative and so overall familiar | Sep 20 19:17 |
| scientes | Arabic was the big technical achievement of Unicode | Sep 20 19:17 |
| XRevan86 | ah, I thought you continued my speculation on what the second block would've been today | Sep 20 19:17 |
| scientes | Like سلام Peace | Sep 20 19:18 |
| scientes | ^^ that is an incredible accomplishment | Sep 20 19:18 |
| XRevan86 | Indeed. | Sep 20 19:18 |
| scientes | but the energy for this stuff has waned | Sep 20 19:19 |
| scientes | I think the new version of the Georgian font is still stalled in github | Sep 20 19:19 |
| XRevan86 | There's obviously a big market for RTL support | Sep 20 19:19 |
| scientes | and their currency symbol is still not in the font... | Sep 20 19:19 |
| XRevan86 | this stuff is overrated, but if unicode can put useless crap in, may as well add real symbols | Sep 20 19:20 |
| scientes | and I don't like glibc's thing of doing country-specific versions of a language | Sep 20 19:20 |
| scientes | like now South Africa locale is totally abandoned | Sep 20 19:21 |
| scientes | due to civil war | Sep 20 19:21 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Would you like to have an endless grammar srach between en_GB and en_US? %) | Sep 20 19:21 |
| scientes | but that is just English | Sep 20 19:21 |
| scientes | look at anything before the 17th century | Sep 20 19:21 |
| scientes | 18th* | Sep 20 19:22 |
| scientes | when all the dumb spellings got standardized | Sep 20 19:22 |
| scientes | even with all the fossil vowels | Sep 20 19:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <scientes "Arabic is the most interesting o"> IIRC, RTL support in IE was the reason it caught on in those parts of the world. | Sep 20 19:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The early internet stuff was heavily biased towards the latin alphabet and LTR. | Sep 20 19:22 |
| scientes | every vowel that comes before a "r" is a fossil vowel | Sep 20 19:23 |
| MinceR | 20 202146 < scientes> but that is just English | Sep 20 19:23 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: That's the worst example. | Sep 20 19:23 |
| MinceR | there's also portuguese, for example | Sep 20 19:23 |
| MinceR | (portugal vs brazil) | Sep 20 19:23 |
| MinceR | there's also spanish (spain vs mexico) | Sep 20 19:23 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: and no, if a vowel is reduced to a schwa, it's still not that bad | Sep 20 19:23 |
| scientes | but it shouldn't matter | Sep 20 19:23 |
| scientes | they should just write so that it can be understood | Sep 20 19:24 |
| MinceR | they were not closely connected enough, so they drifted apart | Sep 20 19:24 |
| scientes | but computers+internet | Sep 20 19:24 |
| scientes | they drift back together | Sep 20 19:24 |
| MinceR | well, computers+Internet hasn't merged these variants together | Sep 20 19:24 |
| MinceR | and i doubt they ever will | Sep 20 19:24 |
| scientes | MinceR, no it hasn't it has replaces them with English %) | Sep 20 19:25 |
| MinceR | at least as long as these groups of people maintain a separate identity | Sep 20 19:25 |
| MinceR | uhmericans won't adopt uk english, brits won't adopt us english | Sep 20 19:25 |
| scientes | MinceR, https://politics.theonion.com/everyone-in-middle-east-given-own-country-in-317-000-00-1819576713 | Sep 20 19:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-politics.theonion.com | Everyone In Middle East Given Own Country In 317,000,000-State Solution | Sep 20 19:25 | |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 20 19:25 |
| MinceR | i'd like my own country too | Sep 20 19:25 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20011926 | Sep 20 19:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4293569) | Sep 20 19:31 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Copypaste from somewhere else. | Sep 20 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe when Hurricane Beta slams into the US, it'll take out some Windows 10 S laptops from the store shelves and Microsoft won't have as many to write off as a product failure. | Sep 20 20:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "It was horrible. It rained fish and Windows 10 S laptops, and then the Mayor of Warsaw spontaneously combusted, but not like the fictional one of Poland like that episode of Red Dwarf. It was the mayor of Warsaw, Indiana. It turns out that spontaneous human combustion occurs in 0.1% of COVID-19 patients and the CDC was previously unaware of this, currently occupied with still trying to figure out if it's airborne or | Sep 20 20:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | not and when, exactly, we should start panicking. President Trump was unavailable for comment, offering his expertise on the exploding trees at a meeting in California." | Sep 20 20:09 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 20 20:11 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: https://www.britannica.com/video/215104/Is-Spontaneous-Human-Combustion-Real It would be a hell of a break though. There are no medically provable cases spontaneous human combustion. | Sep 20 20:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Discover the truth about whether spontaneous human combustion is real | Britannica | Sep 20 20:14 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | According to Trump, people shouldn't go into the woods. You know, with trees that could go off at any minute like that. | Sep 20 20:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The changing world in which we live has grown more hostile to humans and you never know when there will be a suicide bomber tree. You'll just be sitting there trying to hunt or fish or go hiking and one will blow up on you like a Claymore mine. | Sep 20 20:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The trees have us right where they want us, and only Trump knows because he gets these briefings, you know. | Sep 20 20:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When you hear a tree ululating and shouting Allah Pine Cone, you know it's already too late. | Sep 20 20:15 |
| oiaohm | Over the forest issue there are major USA management issues. | Sep 20 20:16 |
| oiaohm | leading to excessively high fuel load. | Sep 20 20:16 |
| MinceR | i thought the trees spoke vietnamese | Sep 20 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's only if you were in Vietnam and had untreated PTSD that the government doesn't care about. | Sep 20 20:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | JWZ mentioned the flu in one of his blog posts, MinceR | Sep 20 20:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He mentioned that his club was running during flu season and he wanted to have the pharmacy people come out and offer free flu shots, but they're $40 without insurance and most people who come in probably don't have their insurance card. | Sep 20 20:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told him, "Well that's a good example of adulting. You're in San Francisco where one drink probably costs $40 and nobody brings their insurance card, when they could end up in a hospital that does the bare minimum and throws you out if you don't have evidence of major insurance.". | Sep 20 20:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He didn't publish the comment. | Sep 20 20:20 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Canberra_bushfires Australia changed fire control regulation big time after we had major damage at capital.l | Sep 20 20:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | 2003 Canberra bushfires - Wikipedia | Sep 20 20:21 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The US is ridiculous. | Sep 20 20:21 |
| oiaohm | US is more insane yes but even places like Australia can be stupid. | Sep 20 20:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It waits until there's like billions in damages and then goes "Why does this keep happening?" then does something to get knocked down in a worse disaster later. | Sep 20 20:22 |
| oiaohm | Fire is a tricky one.l | Sep 20 20:22 |
| oiaohm | If you only prevent bush fires you push the problem into the future and worse. | Sep 20 20:23 |
| oiaohm | Controlled burns are part of any good fire management process. | Sep 20 20:23 |
| oiaohm | Of course controlled burns do sometimes turn into non controlled burns. | Sep 20 20:24 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I don't know why conservatives are still trying to get Roe overturned. | Sep 20 21:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Abortion would still be legal in 28 states and DC. | Sep 20 21:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That wouldn't be much different than the situation now, where the red states have regulated it so much most of them don't have more than 1 clinic in the entire state anyway. | Sep 20 21:03 |
| MinceR | because it would at least inconvenience people trying to get an abortion | Sep 20 21:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois has already seen an influx of women from surrounding states. | Sep 20 21:03 |
| MinceR | anything to harm heretics! | Sep 20 21:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Yes, but when Roe came down in the 70s, abortion was only legal in a handful of states. | Sep 20 21:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it opened it up to most of the country, and that situation would be much different today. | Sep 20 21:04 |
| MinceR | also, they'll probably try to ban it on the federal level | Sep 20 21:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois was a red state back then and passed a trigger law that would bring back the ban if Roe was overturned. | Sep 20 21:04 |
| MinceR | maybe they'll manage to do it via the SCOTUS if they get another fascist in there | Sep 20 21:04 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | But we repealed that law a couple years ago and expanded abortion to Medicaid and state health plans, and opened up 3 more clinics near Missouri, Kentucky, and Wisconsin. | Sep 20 21:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't think that we're in danger of the situation being much different than it is now, and that's why Republican judges on the court haven't really bothered to go after Roe directly already. | Sep 20 21:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're smart enough to know that 95% of the clinics are in those 28 states and DC already. | Sep 20 21:06 |
| MinceR | so they'll probably try to ban it in those 28 states and DC | Sep 20 21:06 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/JcUACeE.png | Sep 20 21:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They might get a few, but not all. | Sep 20 21:09 |
| XRevan86 | Gasprom: Dreams Come True | Sep 20 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think 24 have Democratic majorities in both chambers of the legislature and a Democratic governor. | Sep 20 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The DC city council will never flip. | Sep 20 21:10 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | And Democrats control at least the governor's office or one chamber of the legislature in those 4 other states. | Sep 20 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most states require a supermajority to override a veto from the Governor. | Sep 20 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which the Republicans won't have. | Sep 20 21:11 |
| MinceR | if you liked Gazprom, you'll love... http://www.golden-translation.ru/content/blog/512/full.jpg | Sep 20 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd say they might get rid of Roe, but they'll have a much tougher hill to climb once it goes back to the states. | Sep 20 21:12 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: bend gas? | Sep 20 21:12 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Sep 20 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Their best bet would be to try to go directly after the state constitution via a ballot initiative, but those are only allowed in certain states, and it's not easy in most of the ones that allow it. | Sep 20 21:12 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The G is silent, got it. | Sep 20 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oddly, their best odds might be in California. | Sep 20 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | California isn't as "blue" as it looks. It's really mostly the cities. If you can get an issue like an abortion rollback on the ballot, you could either ban it or curtail it by citizen initiative. | Sep 20 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Only about 36% of the country thinks that abortion should be legal with absolutely no restrictions. | Sep 20 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if you can't ban it, what you'd do is start out by setting caps like "12 weeks". | Sep 20 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Hope that the issue shifts more in your favor later, and just keep taking whacks at it until it's gone. | Sep 20 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most women don't suspect they're pregnant until they miss their period, so by that point a lot of the clock has already run out. | Sep 20 21:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they only have 6-8 weeks to decide what to do and get down to the clinic. | Sep 20 21:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But you can always go to another state, and that's where the Republicans don't get it. | Sep 20 21:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Indiana, Wisconsin, Missouri, Kentucky, and Tennessee legislatures don't get to decide what the law in Illinois is. | Sep 20 21:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the clinics just open up a mile over the border like what's going on anyway and they're out of reach of the hostile legislature. | Sep 20 21:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But women can get on the train in Wisconsin, take it one stop, and from there it's a bus ride through Waukegan. | Sep 20 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or drive. | Sep 20 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the only barrier is that they have to spend like an hour getting to Waukegan somehow and maybe ten bucks in gas or fare. | Sep 20 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Their legislature can't do anything about it, because they didn't commit a crime in Illinois. | Sep 20 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.indystar.com/story/news/health/2019/10/01/abortion-indiana-more-women-travel-illinois-procedure/3789643002/ | Sep 20 21:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.indystar.com | Abortion in Indiana: More women travel to Illinois for procedure | Sep 20 21:20 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Overall, the number of abortions performed on women from Indiana has declined by about 14% between 2009 and 2017, the year for which the latest data was available. Nationwide, abortions have dropped by about a fifth since 2009. | Sep 20 21:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But during that period, the proportion of out-of-state abortions has doubled, and in all more than 18,000 women left Indiana to get abortions largely in neighboring states. In all, about a quarter of the abortions performed on Hoosier women took place outside the state. | Sep 20 21:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The largest area of growth was in Illinois, where almost four times as many Hoosier women underwent an abortion in 2017 than did in 2009. By contrast, the number of Indiana women getting abortions in Ohio, Kentucky and Michigan remained relatively steady. " | Sep 20 21:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: So the "inconvenience" of living in a red state is about as bad as it's going to get even if Roe is overturned. | Sep 20 21:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Thus, the "payoff" from repealing Roe, for the conservative agenda is "not much". | Sep 20 21:21 |
| MinceR | symbolic | Sep 20 21:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I doubt they'll ever really get past where it would be at the point of the Roe overturn. | Sep 20 21:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Truth is, they'll get the benefit without having to take any of the heat from their own voters. | Sep 20 21:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most of the people getting abortions would be a drain on the state, and the Republicans are infamously cheap. They're either going to have to pay for it with free shit or prisons, or both, because that's just....you have to deal with it somehow and every option costs money. | Sep 20 21:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My theory is they'll be happy to export it to where they can go "Oh those evil liberals in Chicago." and then not have all the crime and welfare in their home state. | Sep 20 21:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a have your cake and eat it for the Republicans. | Sep 20 21:26 |
| MinceR | https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/07/07/b0e81a26c45cadcb.jpg | Sep 20 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | [21:21] <DaemonFC[m]> MinceR: So the "inconvenience" of living in a red state is about as bad as it's going to get even if Roe is overturned. | Sep 20 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Good for the travel industry | Sep 20 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | hi kierra | Sep 20 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | Re: rms on RESPECT | Sep 20 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | > i have a load of things ready to watch, one of them (which i forgot | Sep 20 22:13 |
| schestowitz | > about) is a video of rms talking in kerala, india. shouldnt be difficult | Sep 20 22:13 |
| schestowitz | > for you to find in a few seconds. | Sep 20 22:13 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 20 22:13 |
| schestowitz | > but he starts out on a very politely and even-toned tiride about how he | Sep 20 22:13 |
| schestowitz | > found it disturbing that just as he was coming in, he overheard someone | Sep 20 22:13 |
| schestowitz | > telling everyone to Be Silent. | Sep 20 22:13 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 20 22:13 |
| schestowitz | > he said he found it disturbing (this is not his usual schtick as far as | Sep 20 22:13 |
| schestowitz | > i know, i think it was just off the top of his head, though i dont know | Sep 20 22:13 |
| schestowitz | > that either) because he feels that could hurt the people or hurt him, if | Sep 20 22:13 |
| schestowitz | > they have TOO MUCH respect for one person. | Sep 20 22:13 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 20 22:13 |
| schestowitz | > he said it could hurt them if if puts them too low, or it could hurt him | Sep 20 22:13 |
| schestowitz | > if he got used to being put too high. he said fortunately, hes not going | Sep 20 22:13 |
| schestowitz | > to let that happen. | Sep 20 22:13 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 20 22:13 |
| schestowitz | > his concern was not that respect was being shown, but that there is a | Sep 20 22:13 |
| schestowitz | > level of respect that is "too much for any one person." | Sep 20 22:13 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 20 22:13 |
| schestowitz | > what you shouldnt have that level of respect for, he says, isnt a | Sep 20 22:14 |
| schestowitz | > person, but freedom. | Sep 20 22:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 20 22:14 |
| schestowitz | > i wasnt planning to watch this talk now and i will probably save it for | Sep 20 22:14 |
| schestowitz | > later. rather rms came up on the screen, and i was instantly curious and | Sep 20 22:14 |
| schestowitz | > decided to watch for a minute. | Sep 20 22:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 20 22:14 |
| schestowitz | > timely fucking message. i dont know when he was in kerala, im sure it | Sep 20 22:14 |
| schestowitz | > wasnt in the past few months. maybe it was a year or two ago, hold on-- | Sep 20 22:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 20 22:14 |
| schestowitz | > https://youtube.com/watch?v=2btYGPB-RMo | Sep 20 22:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Richard M Stallman talk in FISAT, Ankamali, Ernakulam, Kerala, India - YouTube | Sep 20 22:14 | |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 20 22:14 |
| schestowitz | > it was put online 8 years ago, so this was done 2012-2013 at the very | Sep 20 22:14 |
| schestowitz | > latest. | Sep 20 22:14 |
| schestowitz | I think I can remember that trip. | Sep 20 22:14 |
| schestowitz | RMS is modest relative to what he accomplished. | Sep 20 22:14 |
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| MinceR | he may yet help our enemies destroy all of it | Sep 20 22:15 |
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| MinceR | (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWLMnX8F45M | Sep 20 22:16 |
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| schestowitz | Sacha Baron Cohen Rips #Facebook and Other Social Media Giants https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irwVRMH04eI | Sep 20 22:29 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Flameshot Screenshot Tool 0.8.0 Released with Counter Tool http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142338 #gnu #linux [https://pleroma.site/objects/adce121e-4f1e-476a-8a81-f17741d42446] | Sep 20 23:10 | |
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| schestowitz | https://gizmodo.com/free-speech-champion-mark-zuckerberg-announces-plan-to-1845097521 | Sep 20 23:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com | Mark Zuckerberg Plans to Moderate Facebook Workplace Chat | Sep 20 23:46 | |
| schestowitz | "Hey, pal, why don’t you shut the fuck up, CEO Mark Zuckerberg responds." | Sep 20 23:47 |
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| schestowitz | Lots of covid cases in Aruba now | Sep 20 23:58 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aruba | Sep 20 23:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Aruba - Wikipedia | Sep 20 23:58 | |
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