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● Feb 21
[00:02]	bnchs___	sometimes i feel like our lives will be short
[00:05]	TR News	The #Patent Distortion: Weekly Series About Failure of the Media to Properly Explain #Patents and Generally Cover the News Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/20/the-patent-distortion-part-2/ #Techrights #EPO | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/20/the-patent-distortion-part-2/
[00:05]	TR Bot	 The Patent Distortion: Weekly Series About Failure of the Media to Properly Explain Patents and Generally Cover the News | Techrights
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[00:24]	bnchs___	lots of guests today
[00:31]	DaemonFC	https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/18/22940517/windows-11-pro-require-microsoft-account-internet-connection
[00:31]	TR Bot	 Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account - The Verge
[00:31]	DaemonFC	LOL
[00:32]	MinceR	21 005818 < XRevan86> The mum failed the intelligence test, yes.
[00:32]	MinceR	tested negative
[00:32]	bnchs___	DaemonFC: not really news
[00:32]	XRevan86	MinceR: :D
[00:32]	MinceR	MICROS~1 really doesn't want to release a Backdoors11 that people would have a desire or reason to use :>
[00:32]	bnchs___	microsoft has shown time to time that they're willing to make people to use their shitty service
[00:33]	bnchs___	like minecraft
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[00:33]	bnchs___	s/to//
[00:33]	bnchs___	fuck wrong regex
[00:33]	bnchs___	whatever
[00:35]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: good
[00:35]	schestowitz-TR	so they will put off more people
[00:35]	schestowitz-TR	they already do
[00:35]	MinceR	(cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/02/17/oddly-satisfying-photos/
[00:35]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/02/17/oddly-satisfying-photos/
[00:35]	TR Bot	 30 Oddly Satisfying Photos To Please Your Retinas
[00:35]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: can you read a draft?
[00:35]	bnchs___	they already put off people with their strict requirements of newer hardware
[00:35]	schestowitz-TR	it's about working from home
[00:36]	bnchs___	now they gonna put off more with the internet requirement and MS account requirement
[00:36]	bnchs___	almost as if they have a deathwish for their OS
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[00:50]	bnchs___	i like how gulagtube will tamper with your videos to remove any "copyrighted" music
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[00:50]	bnchs___	i was watching a video and almost got a heart attack when i heard something that i didn't hear last time when i watched the video
[00:52]	schestowitz-TR	welcome to the new world
[00:52]	schestowitz-TR	all sounds are "owned"
[00:52]	schestowitz-TR	and you are just a renter
[00:53]	TR News	#EPO Management Still Treats EPO Workers Poorly, Even During #Pandemic Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/20/epo-dg1-concerns/ #Techrights #Europe #Patents | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/20/epo-dg1-concerns/
[00:53]	TR Bot	 EPO Management Still Treats EPO Workers Poorly, Even During Pandemic | Techrights
[00:56]	bnchs___	yes
[00:56]	bnchs___	but do they really go as far as to manipulate the video to remove the copyrighted sounds?
● Feb 21
[01:03]	schestowitz-TR	weird
[01:03]	schestowitz-TR	I did not hear of such a thing
[01:03]	schestowitz-TR	for somemm videos they just muted all the sound
[01:03]	schestowitz-TR	or maybe parts of it
[01:04]	schestowitz-TR	anyway, do not upload stuff there
[01:04]	schestowitz-TR	they also have tons of false positives
[01:04]	bnchs___	they replaced it with some royalty-free music
[01:04]	bnchs___	s/replaced/replace/
[01:06]	bnchs___	unfortunately this also means some of the information gets lost
[01:11]	bnchs___	goodnight
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[01:18]	schestowitz-TR	as if gulag cares about informatio
[01:18]	schestowitz-TR	maybe it did in the 90s
[01:18]	schestowitz-TR	it soon became all about money
[01:22]	TR News	[Meme] EPO Upskilling Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/20/epo-upskilling/ #Techrights #EPO #Europe #Patents #Patent | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/20/epo-upskilling/
[01:22]	TR Bot	 [Meme] EPO Upskilling | Techrights
[01:30]	TR News	Links 20/2/2022: #IPFire Test Release and #PeaZip 8.5.0 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/20/peazip-8-5-0/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/20/peazip-8-5-0/
[01:30]	TR Bot	 Links 20/2/2022: IPFire Test Release and PeaZip 8.5.0 | Techrights
[01:31]	TR News	#Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161679 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:31]	TR Bot	 Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
[01:31]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161680 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:31]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
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[01:48]	Ariadne	GPLv3 section 10 has been thrown out by the US circuit court of appeals: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.335295/gov.uscourts.cand.335295.140.0.pdf
[01:48]	Ariadne	it turns out the court was not moved by the idea that you can just delete further license restrictions not in the GPL
[01:48]	Ariadne	go figure
[01:49]	schestowitz-TR	what isd this cas'es context?
[01:49]	schestowitz-TR	new case?
[01:50]	Ariadne	Neo4J is licensed under AGPL and Commons Clause, somebody forked it and dropped Commons Clause
[01:50]	Ariadne	citing GPL section 10 as allowing them to do so
[01:50]	Ariadne	Neo4J sued the fork author
[01:51]	Ariadne	court agreed, ruled GPL section 10 is nonsense
[01:52]	schestowitz-TR	so wait
[01:52]	schestowitz-TR	it's not as simple as just GPL having an invalid bit
[01:52]	schestowitz-TR	but some combination as interpreted by a not-so-high court
[01:53]	Ariadne	the point is the GPLv3 section 10 means a fork cannot add additional restrictions
[01:53]	schestowitz-TR	 Commons Clause is BS
[01:53]	Ariadne	but you cant use section 10 to remove additional restrictions imposed by the original author
[01:53]	Ariadne	which is a reasonable interpretation
[01:53]	Ariadne	and yes, commons clause sucks
[01:53]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-available_software
[01:53]	TR Bot	 Source-available software - Wikipedia
[01:53]	schestowitz	proprietary
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[01:54]	Ariadne	https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.335295/gov.uscourts.cand.335295.118.0.pdf
[01:54]	Ariadne	original ruling
[01:55]	MinceR	does this mean that the GPLv3's measures against patent abuse/treachery are weakened?
[01:55]	schestowitz	"GitLab Inc. openly discloses that the EE License makes their Enterprise Edition product "proprietary, closed source code."[11] However, the company makes the source code of the Community Edition public, as well as the repository's issue tracker, and allows users to modify the source code.[12] The dual release of the closed-source Enterprise Edition and the open-source Community Edition makes GitLab an open core company."
[01:55]	schestowitz	Open Core
[01:55]	schestowitz	a new term for proprietary+openwashng
[01:56]	MinceR	not that new
[01:56]	schestowitz	so now every company that makes proprietary software and has some "open" mportal can mislabel itself
[01:56]	schestowitz	that's why we need to abolish the term "Open Source"
[01:56]	schestowitz	and OSI has been dead for 2 years
● Feb 21
[02:08]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161681 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[02:08]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
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[02:12]	DaemonFC	TIL: Mac OS is an even bigger piece of shit than I thought. Part 4872.
[02:12]	DaemonFC	It dumps dot files everywhere because Apple's fancy new file system still doesn't make proper use of journaling and XATTRs. Then when you back the folders up to Google Drive, it misinterprets the dot files as copyright infringing and deletes them, making a proper restoration of the folder data impossible later on.
[02:14]	DaemonFC	The idiots at the Ninth Circus court strike again.
[02:14]	DaemonFC	Trump appointed a bunch to try to turn it into another right wing appeals court.
[02:14]	DaemonFC	He didn't quite finish. He left four empty seats for Biden to fill.
[02:15]	MinceR	lol
[02:15]	DaemonFC	If the case was decided by a panel of three judges, the easiest way to respond would be to appeal for the full court to reconsider, which is hilarious, because it's also got the most judges of any federal court in the country.
[02:15]	DaemonFC	And so like two dozen or so judges would have to consider this.
[02:18]	DaemonFC	MinceR, It's the largest appeals court in the country.
[02:19]	DaemonFC	It was structured that way back when the western states were sparsely populated.
[02:19]	DaemonFC	There have been efforts to split it into two appeals courts, but they always stall out.
[02:19]	DaemonFC	I was wrong. If the entire court had to consider this, it would be 29 judges.
[02:24]	DaemonFC	The Republicans recently (2017) tried to split the court up, put a bunch of the red states in a new "12th circuit" and then create a bunch of empty seats on the new 12th circuit for Trump to fill.
[02:25]	DaemonFC	They say they were happy with the damage they did to the Supreme Court, and they are.
[02:26]	DaemonFC	But they would really have loved four more years to pack the lower courts too.
[02:36]	TR News	Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-200222.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-200222.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-200222.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-200222.txt
[02:36]	TR Bot	 IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, February 20, 2022
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[02:37]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, February 20, 2022
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[02:39]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, February 20, 2022
[02:41]	TR News	Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-02-20.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-02-20.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
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● Feb 21
[04:15]	AdmFubar	https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-golang-botnet-empties-windows-users-cryptocurrency-wallets/
[04:15]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-golang-botnet-empties-windows-users-cryptocurrency-wallets/
[04:15]	TR Bot	 New Golang botnet empties Windows users cryptocurrency wallets
[04:49]	psydroid8	https://commonsclause.com/
[04:49]	TR Bot	 Commons Clause License
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[04:55]	psydroid8	so that means an AGPLv4 should be worked on that is clearer with respect to section 10?
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[07:25]	TR News	#Techrights Bulletin for Sunday, February 20, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
[07:25]	TR Bot	 Bulletin Archives
[07:25]	TR News	#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
[07:25]	TR Bot	 Techrights Full IPFS Index
[07:26]	schestowitz-TR	[04:15] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.bleepingcomputer.com | New Golang botnet empties Windows users cryptocurrency wallets
[07:26]	schestowitz-TR	because they used Windows
[07:26]	schestowitz-TR	why blame programming language?
[07:26]	schestowitz-TR	This is why we shun this Microsoft propaganda site
[07:28]	TR News	Today we resume last weeks experimental series in which we review patent 'news' along with related news Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/20/the-patent-distortion-part-2/ #Techrights #patent #patents #epo | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/20/the-patent-distortion-part-2/
[07:28]	TR Bot	 The Patent Distortion: Weekly Series About Failure of the Media to Properly Explain Patents and Generally Cover the News | Techrights
[07:29]	TR News	A candid letter from the EPOs staff representatives helps shed light on how staff of the EPO feels, with particular focus on DG1 colleagues in Job Groups 5 and 6 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/20/epo-dg1-concerns/ #Techrights #europe #epo #patents #patent | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/20/epo-dg1-concerns/
[07:29]	TR Bot	 EPO Management Still Treats EPO Workers Poorly, Even During Pandemic | Techrights
[07:29]	TR News	#EPO management is wasting the time of staff and is doing illegal things while increasing the staff's stress levels Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/20/epo-upskilling/ #Techrights #patents #europe | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/20/epo-upskilling/
[07:30]	TR Bot	 [Meme] EPO Upskilling | Techrights
[07:34]	TR News	 NEWS #MartijnBraam #IPv6 Going IPv6 only https://blog.brixit.nl/going-ipv6-only/
[07:34]	TR Bot	 Going IPv6 only
[07:35]	TR News	 NEWS #NSH #BSD nsh https://www.nmedia.net/nsh/
[07:35]	TR Bot	 NSH :: Network Shell :: Command Line Interface for OpenBSD routers
[07:35]	TR News	 NEWS #NSH #BSD nsh https://www.nmedia.net/nsh/
[07:36]	schestowitz	 NEWS #NokiaMob #Mobile Nokia, #Jolla and HERE are at MWC2022 https://nokiamob.net/2022/02/20/nokia-jolla-and-here-are-at-mwc2022/
[07:36]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: nokiamob.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://nokiamob.net/2022/02/20/nokia-jolla-and-here-are-at-mwc2022/
[07:36]	TR Bot	 Nokia, Jolla and HERE are at MWC2022 | Nokiamob
[07:36]	TR News	 NEWS #ABC #Mobile At Olympics, cybersecurity worries linger in background https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/olympics-cybersecurity-worries-linger-background-83021033
[07:36]	TR Bot	 At Olympics, cybersecurity worries linger in background - ABC News
[07:36]	TR News	 NEWS #DLang #Programming How I Taught the D Programming Language at a Russian University https://dlang.org/blog/2022/02/19/how-i-taught-the-d-programming-language-at-a-russian-university/
[07:37]	TR Bot	 How I Taught the D Programming Language at a Russian University | The D Blog
[07:38]	TR News	#Microsoft #Windows TCO: Now the neocons make up words: "cyber invasion" https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/02/20/ukraine-braces-for-cyber-invasion see http://techrights.org/2021/10/29/microsoft-national-security-threat/
[07:38]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: economist.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/02/20/ukraine-braces-for-cyber-invasion
[07:38]	TR Bot	braces for cyber invasion | The Economist
[07:38]	TR Bot	 Microsoft: Still a National Security Threat | Techrights
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[07:54]	TR News	"people aren't going to get the truth from twitter" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-190222.html#tFeb%2019%2013:32:26
[07:54]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, February 19, 2022
[07:55]	TR News	#twitter funded by #billgates for his propaganda: http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/bill-gates-pays-twitter/
[07:55]	TR Bot	 Reality is Warped When You Pay for Perception Management (or: Bill Gates Pays Twitter for Propaganda) | Techrights
[07:57]	TR News	#TheHill has just done a #billgates says-type piece re #covid19 and the problem is, he is 1) #pandemic profiteer 2) not an expert 3) a criminal. So The Hill legitimises 1+2+3.
[07:58]	TR News	 #IRC Proceedings: Sunday, February 20, 2022 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/21/irc-log-200222/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/21/irc-log-200222/
[07:58]	TR Bot	 IRC Proceedings: Sunday, February 20, 2022 | Techrights
● Feb 21
[08:03]	TR News	#Bosch subsidiary offers the following apps for #surveillance cameras to authorities & businesses worldwide https://chaos.social/@echo_pbreyer/107812686908911851
[08:03]	TR Bot	Breyer: "#Bosch subsidiary offers the following apps for" - chaos.social
[08:06]	psydroid8	Bill Gates says he's an asshole
[08:06]	schestowitz-TR	should we care?
[08:07]	schestowitz-TR	is he an arsehole expert?
[08:07]	psydroid8	We should believe him for once
[08:07]	schestowitz-TR	iirc, his personal engineer was collecting videos of anal on young boys
[08:07]	psydroid8	Yes
[08:07]	schestowitz-TR	according to seattle media
[08:09]	TR News	#9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: February 20th, 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161682 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[08:09]	TR Bot	 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: February 20th, 2022 | Tux Machines
[08:09]	TR News	 NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #DMCA Judge: Jehovahs Witness Parodies Are Fair Use. Watch Tower: So What? https://torrentfreak.com/judge-jehovahs-witness-parodies-are-fair-use-watch-tower-so-what-220220/
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[08:09]	TR Bot	Jehovahs Witness Parodies Are Fair Use. Watch Tower: So What? * TorrentFreak
[08:09]	DaemonFC	The Chicago Botanical Gardens has changed their admission structure. It costs over $100 now for a family of 4 to visit the garden for a day.
[08:09]	DaemonFC	It was $20 for however many people you could fit in a car.
[08:10]	DaemonFC	They realize they have an outdoor attraction that's going to be more popular because of COVID.
[08:10]	DaemonFC	They have Pritzker's name all over the place.
[08:10]	DaemonFC	Like everything else in the county.
[08:10]	schestowitz-TR	meh
[08:10]	schestowitz-TR	stay home
[08:10]	schestowitz-TR	let the system run its course
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[08:26]	TR News	#GNUGuile -SDL 0.6.1 available Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161683 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[08:26]	TR Bot	 GNU Guile-SDL 0.6.1 available | Tux Machines
[08:42]	TR News	Almost 1,750 now!! "There are 2139 capsules. We successfully connected recently to 1748 of them." gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi
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[08:50]	schestowitz-TR	https://nitter.eu/kilijanek/status/1495675397333209088#m
[08:50]	TR Bot	 Kili (@kilijanek): "I wonder if Russia remembers all treaties as well as in Denmark case - e.g. if they remember that Russia in 1992 guaranteed Ukraine territorial integrity in exchange for nuclear weapons stored in Ukraine during USSR existence, so they need to return Crimea peninsula to Ukraine." | nitter
[08:54]	TR News	Review: Running guest distributions with Distrobox Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161684 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[08:54]	TR Bot	 Review: Running guest distributions with Distrobox | Tux Machines
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[09:08]	TR News	"I have written about this technology before. It isnt anything new. Now, a little over a week ago, it was revealed that in the year 2020, Intel had reported a half-billion dollar loss on its Optane 3D XPoint business. Yikes! Also, Intels Optane head left the company." https://koutoupis.com/2022/02/21/intel-optane-a-restrictive-licensing-model-and-the-half-billion-dollar-operating-loss-in-2020/
[09:08]	TR Bot	 Intel Optane: A Restrictive Licensing Model and the Half Billion Dollar Operating Loss in 2020 Random [Tech] Stuff
[09:09]	schestowitz-TR	psydroid8: ^^
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[09:18]	TR News	Ryujinx: Great Strides With Vulkan - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/ryujinx-great-strides-with-vulkan/ #boilingsteam #games #gnu #linux
[09:18]	TR Bot	 Ryujinx: Great Strides With Vulkan - Boiling Steam
[09:18]	TR News	Why I love KDE for my Linux desktop Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161685 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[09:18]	TR Bot	 Why I love KDE for my Linux desktop | Tux Machines
[09:19]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161686 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[09:19]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[09:22]	psydroid2	I watched that video by Brody about Asahi Linux this morning
[09:22]	TR News	"We put the sports car of #Linux laptops to the test. Is it the multi-tasking machine it claims to be?" https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/147702/kudu-cores-and-cloud-wars-linux-unplugged-446/
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[09:23]	TR Bot	 Kudu Cores and Cloud Wars | LINUX Unplugged 446 | Jupiter Broadcasting
[09:23]	psydroid2	Apple tarts are afraid that GNU/Linux runs better on their hardware than macOS
[09:23]	schestowitz-TR	hmm
[09:23]	psydroid2	which is already the case but when an installer becomes available that makes it easy, many people will be buying that hardware for running GNU/Linux
[09:24]	psydroid2	GNU/Linux runs really fast on that hardware
[09:24]	psydroid2	I watched another video about it running in a VM
[09:24]	psydroid2	nothing from Intel or AMD comes close
[09:24]	psydroid2	I think that's what Ariadne was alluding to a few months ago
[09:25]	Ariadne	apple inc is not afraid of that
[09:25]	Ariadne	apple inc wants to sell laptops
[09:25]	psydroid2	Apple fanboys
[09:25]	schestowitz-TR	apple announced losses months ago
[09:26]	schestowitz-TR	iow, openly admitting it had lost money
[09:26]	schestowitz-TR	a lot of wall street is a fraud at this stage
[09:26]	schestowitz-TR	the sad thing is
[09:26]	schestowitz-TR	many bonds and mutual funds and pensions are tied to this fraud
[09:26]	schestowitz-TR	so a collapse would be worse than in 2008
[09:26]	schestowitz-TR	the middle class is about to have savings wiped out
[09:27]	schestowitz-TR	because the oligarchs empties the cookie jars and wrote themselves checks off national debt
[09:27]	psydroid2	and itself wiped out?
[09:27]	schestowitz-TR	which is over 30 trillion btw, not even counting state-level debt
[09:27]	psydroid2	becoming part of the lower class?
[09:27]	schestowitz-TR	which is another 2 trillion iirc
[09:27]	schestowitz-TR	psydroid2: rianne and I spoke about it minutes ago
[09:28]	schestowitz-TR	she watches programmes about it
[09:28]	schestowitz-TR	people who stopped bathing 
[09:28]	schestowitz-TR	in the UK
[09:28]	schestowitz-TR	it's too expensivbe
[09:28]	schestowitz-TR	the real price of food and energy was hidden
[09:28]	schestowitz-TR	due to subsidies 
[09:28]	schestowitz-TR	off our tax
[09:28]	schestowitz-TR	now we don't have that
[09:28]	schestowitz-TR	and people realise how expensive it is to heaat up a home
[09:28]	schestowitz-TR	or buy decent foods
[09:28]	schestowitz-TR	iirc, bread or wheat still get subsidies
[09:29]	schestowitz-TR	the people who stopped bathing use winter coats to hide the odor w
[09:29]	schestowitz-TR	when they go shoop for food
[09:29]	psydroid2	that's terrible
[09:29]	schestowitz-TR	now with the storm there's lots of damage
[09:29]	schestowitz-TR	things you MUST buy to repair and replace
[09:29]	psydroid2	I need to shower at least once a day and usually twice
[09:29]	schestowitz-TR	and people already on shoestring budgets cannot afford the repeair
[09:29]	schestowitz-TR	and insurance won't cover it
[09:30]	schestowitz-TR	many insurance companies only cover damage over some threshold
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[09:30]	schestowitz-TR	like 200 pounds
[09:30]	schestowitz-TR	so unless your roof got blown off, you are on your own
[09:30]	schestowitz-TR	my video yesterday was in two partd
[09:30]	psydroid2	this makes the case for cheap but durable and repairable electronics
[09:30]	schestowitz-TR	because during the storm the seiling had a leak
[09:30]	schestowitz-TR	coming through the lamp
[09:30]	schestowitz-TR	this was new!
[09:31]	schestowitz-TR	I had to stop the video
[09:31]	psydroid2	wow
[09:31]	schestowitz-TR	I could hear the dripping
[09:31]	psydroid2	is your house old?
[09:31]	schestowitz-TR	then I look and go, oh shit
[09:31]	schestowitz-TR	but not saying it
[09:31]	schestowitz-TR	"gonna have to stop the video and resume later
[09:31]	schestowitz-TR	not exact quote
[09:31]	psydroid2	many houses in Dublin were old when I was there
[09:31]	schestowitz-TR	you can hear the winds loudly blowing
[09:32]	schestowitz-TR	the leak stopped
[09:32]	schestowitz-TR	but the damage was surely done
[09:32]	schestowitz-TR	so now on top of covid19 you have building damage
[09:32]	psydroid2	I hope this is covered by insurance
[09:32]	psydroid2	yeah
[09:32]	schestowitz-TR	I read some articles about post-eunice damage
[09:32]	schestowitz-TR	and this thing is still ongoing as franklin iirc
[09:33]	psydroid2	it is
[09:33]	psydroid2	I can hear the wind
[09:33]	schestowitz-TR	we had to call off food shopping 2-3 times already
[09:33]	schestowitz-TR	and eat off the freezer
[09:33]	schestowitz-TR	the geeze are flying in panic
[09:33]	schestowitz-TR	*geese
[09:34]	schestowitz-TR	anyway, it all started when we talked about apple
[09:34]	schestowitz-TR	their sales will continue to fall
[09:34]	schestowitz-TR	more quarter will show lossesa
[09:34]	schestowitz-TR	and just like FB the shares will plunge sooner or later
[09:34]	schestowitz-TR	when FB announced it Twitter aand Snapchat reacted also
[09:34]	schestowitz-TR	it was a bubble
[09:35]	schestowitz-TR	people won't be able to spend $2000 on "apple"-branded shit when the root leaks
[09:35]	schestowitz-TR	priorities kind of change
[09:35]	psydroid2	x86 hardware is expensive in many cases too
[09:35]	schestowitz-TR	*rof
[09:35]	schestowitz-TR	(roof
[09:35]	psydroid2	this is what I don't get
[09:35]	schestowitz-TR	and energy bill
[09:35]	schestowitz-TR	sdont' forget nthe cost of power went up
[09:35]	Ariadne	actually, the M1 laptops are cheaper than their x86 equivalents in most cases
[09:35]	psydroid2	worse performance and higher prices than Apple
[09:35]	schestowitz-TR	rianne now uses raspi 400 some of the time
[09:35]	psydroid2	yes
[09:35]	schestowitz-TR	Ariadne: but most people don't need m1
[09:36]	Ariadne	cheaper and simpler, more open firmware than UEFI
[09:36]	schestowitz-TR	to suft the web
[09:36]	schestowitz-TR	unless they use some really horrible mess
[09:36]	schestowitz-TR	like "Webapps"
[09:36]	Ariadne	i don't know about that, the modern web is quite bloat
[09:36]	schestowitz-TR	that max up 4 cpu cores
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[09:36]	schestowitz-TR	bbiab morning workout... with our 1994 streo set :-)
[09:37]	schestowitz-TR	(samsung)
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[10:20]	TR News	Top chipmakers ignore #India s semiconductor subsidies - #ElReg https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/21/india_semiconductor_subsidies/ #theregister | more in http://schestowitz.com/2022/02/21/#latest
[10:20]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/21/india_semiconductor_subsidies/
[10:20]	TR Bot	 Top chipmakers ignore Indias semiconductor subsidies The Register
[10:20]	TR Bot	 Social Control Media Posts
[10:21]	TR News	"Josh and Kurt talk about the Coinbase Super Bowl ad. It was a QR code, lots of security people were aghast at how many people scanned the QR code. The reality is scanning QR codes isnt dangerous. What other security advice just wont go away?" https://opensourcesecurity.io/2022/02/20/episode-311-did-you-scan-the-qr-code/
[10:21]	TR Bot	 Episode 311 Did you scan the QR code? Open Source Security
[10:22]	TR News	Immersive Stereo Sound Recording With This Binaural Microphone | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2022/02/20/immersive-stereo-sound-recording-with-this-binaural-microphone/ #hackaday | more in http://schestowitz.com/2022/02/21/#latest
[10:22]	TR Bot	Stereo Sound Recording With This Binaural Microphone | Hackaday
[10:23]	TR News	Can I use #NVIDIA #GeForce Experience software on Ubuntu? - LinuxStoney https://linuxstoney.com/can-i-use-nvidia-geforce-experience-software-on-ubuntu/ #linuxstoney #gnu #linux
[10:23]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: linuxstoney.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxstoney.com/can-i-use-nvidia-geforce-experience-software-on-ubuntu/
[10:23]	TR Bot	I use NVIDIA GeForce Experience software on Ubuntu? - LinuxStoney
[10:27]	TR News	Wrong way to do #xmpp and use of #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware contributes to mistrust (re #security and more) https://medevel.com/https-conversejs-org/ #deletegithub
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[10:27]	TR Bot	 Converse.js: An open-source XMPP client for building in-browser messaging apps
[10:28]	TR News	Primed for locational #surveillance https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/02/21/low-power-satellite-iot-soc-works-with-totums-low-earth-orbit-leo-network/ also, not #linux related
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[10:28]	TR Bot	 Low-power satellite IoT SoC works with Totums Low Earth Orbit (LEO) network - CNX Software
[10:31]	TR News	You can use Markdown to format your post Public Share
[10:32]	schestowitz	 The USB-C Connectors You Never Knew You Wanted To Avoid | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2022/02/20/the-usb-c-connectors-you-never-knew-you-wanted-to-avoid/ #hackaday 
[10:32]	TR Bot	USB-C Connectors You Never Knew You Wanted To Avoid | Hackaday
[10:34]	TR News	#Mold 1.1 is out, but it needs to #deletegithub because #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware is totally unsuitable for #freesw coding http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github
[10:34]	TR Bot	 Delete Github - Techrights
[10:37]	TR News	#Kazakhstan 's Internet Shutdowns Could Be a Warning for #Ukraine - The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/18/technology/kazakhstan-internet-russia-ukraine.html #nytimes propaganda machine ramping up against #russia now (see top of page)
[10:37]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/18/technology/kazakhstan-internet-russia-ukraine.html
[10:37]	TR Bot	 Kazakhstan's Internet Shutdowns Could Be a Warning for Ukraine - The New York Times
[10:38]	TR News	India's war on the internet https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/newsletters/ettech-unwrapped/indias-war-on-the-internet/articleshow/89671072.cms #economictimes #india #internet
[10:38]	TR Bot	 Indias war on the internet
[10:39]	TR News	Whats next for the #EU s DSA? - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/whats-next-for-the-eus-dsa/ #accessnow | more in http://schestowitz.com/2022/02/21/#latest
[10:39]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/whats-next-for-the-eus-dsa/
[10:39]	TR Bot	 What's next for the EU's DSA? - Access Now
[10:40]	TR News	You can use Markdown to format your post Public Share
[10:40]	schestowitz	#Linux developers faster at fixing security bugs than #Microsoft and #Apple https://mybroadband.co.za/news/security/434634-linux-developers-faster-at-fixing-security-bugs-than-microsoft-and-apple.html #mybroadband | more in http://schestowitz.com/2022/02/21/#latest
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[10:40]	TR Bot	 Linux developers faster at fixing security bugs than Microsoft and Apple
[10:41]	TR News	#HalfLife 2 and the episodes get updated and HL2 now Steam Deck Verified | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/02/half-life-2-and-the-episodes-get-updated-and-hl2-now-steam-deck-verified/ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 
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[10:41]	TR Bot	2 and the episodes get updated and HL2 now Steam Deck Verified | GamingOnLinux
[10:53]	TR News	#gulag (Google) itself has put back doored 'encryption' inside #linux https://fossbytes.com/linux-developers-faster-than-apple-google/
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[10:53]	TR Bot	 Linux Developers Fix Bugs Faster Than Apple & Google: Report
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[11:00]	TR News	#vista11 Pro will soon force you to have a #Microsoft account for installation | PC Gamer https://www.pcgamer.com/windows-11-pro-will-soon-force-you-to-have-a-microsoft-account-for-installation/ #pcgamer on Microsoft putting off its own serfs http://techrights.org/2022/01/26/microsoft-delighted-by-failure/
[11:00]	TR Bot	 Windows 11 Pro will soon force you to have a Microsoft account for installation | PC Gamer
[11:00]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Delighted by Windows 11 (Vista 11) Usage, Which is Only 1% Three Months After Official Launch and Six Months After Release Online | Techrights
[11:01]	TR News	When #ibm is done getting rid of its so-called "dinobabies" it'll try to eliminate everybody else https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/2/it-jobs-7-hot-automation-skills-2022 see http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Ageism
[11:01]	TR Bot	 IT jobs: 7 hot automation skills in 2022 | The Enterprisers Project
[11:01]	TR Bot	 IBM - Techrights
[11:03]	TR News	#ibm #redhat : "Reimagine your traditional structures and hierarchies" = get rid of older workers? https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/2/digital-transformation-4-ways-accelerate-your-progress-2022 see http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Ageism
[11:03]	TR Bot	 Digital transformation: 4 ways to accelerate your progress in 2022 | The Enterprisers Project
[11:05]	TR News	#OAuth consent #phishing , in the wild | Pen Test Partners https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/oauth-consent-phishing-in-the-wild/ #pentestpartners | more in http://schestowitz.com/2022/02/21/#latest
[11:05]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: pentestpartners.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/oauth-consent-phishing-in-the-wild/
[11:05]	TR Bot	 OAuth consent phishing, in the wild | Pen Test Partners
[11:07]	TR News	Best #FreeSW Alternatives to #SwiftKey - LinuxLinks https://www.linuxlinks.com/best-free-open-source-alternatives-microsoft-swiftkey/ #LinuxLinks #GNU #Linux
[11:07]	TR Bot	Free and Open Source Alternatives to Microsoft SwiftKey - LinuxLinks
[11:08]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161687 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[11:08]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[11:12]	TR News	OMG. More #buzzword chaining: "AI in the edge"... about #HARDWARE https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/02/21/stmicro-intelligent-sensor-processing-unit-ispu-combines-mems-sensor-with-dsp-for-ai-in-the-edge/
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[11:12]	TR Bot	 STMicro Intelligent Sensor Processing Unit (ISPU) combines MEMS sensor with DSP for AI "in the edge" - CNX Software
[11:23]	TR News	#Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161688 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[11:23]	TR Bot	 Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
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[12:56]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161689 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[12:56]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[12:57]	TR News	Community Member Monday: Nnamani Ezinne Martina Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161690 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[12:57]	TR Bot	 Community Member Monday: Nnamani Ezinne Martina | Tux Machines
[12:59]	TR News	Compact 3D Printed Raspberry Pi Case Using The Kywoo3D Tycoon Slim Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161691 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[12:59]	TR Bot	 Compact 3D Printed Raspberry Pi Case Using The Kywoo3D Tycoon Slim | Tux Machines
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[13:20]	TR News	Links 21/2/2022: GNU Guile-SDL 0.6.1 and Windows Woes in #Ukraine Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/21/gnu-guile-sdl-0-6-1/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/21/gnu-guile-sdl-0-6-1/
[13:20]	TR Bot	 Links 21/2/2022: GNU Guile-SDL 0.6.1 and Windows Woes in Ukraine | Techrights
[13:21]	TR News	#FreeSoftware : SwiftKey Alternatives, nsh, Converse.js Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161692 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[13:21]	TR Bot	 Software: SwiftKey Alternatives, nsh, Converse.js | Tux Machines
[13:21]	TR News	#Microsoft and #Security Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161693 #TuxMachines
[13:22]	TR Bot	 Microsoft and Security | Tux Machines
[13:23]	TR News	You can use Markdown to format your post Public Share
[13:23]	schestowitz	#Games: Ryujinx, Half-Life 2, and #NVIDIA Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161694 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[13:23]	TR Bot	 Games: Ryujinx, Half-Life 2, and NVIDIA | Tux Machines
[13:23]	TR News	
[13:24]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161695 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[13:24]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[13:27]	TR News	Today Begins a Battle for Rights of #Patent Examiners at the EPO Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/21/patent-examiners-fight-back/ #Techrights #EPO #Europe #Corruption | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/21/patent-examiners-fight-back/
[13:27]	TR Bot	 Today Begins a Battle for Rights of Patent Examiners at the EPO | Techrights
[13:31]	TR News	#Internxt is an Open Source Encrypted Clown Service With Native Linux Client Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161696 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[13:31]	TR Bot	 Internxt is an Open Source Encrypted Cloud Service With Native Linux Client | Tux Machines
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[13:52]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.63 k/sec., IPFS upstream 23.48 average k/sec., average swarm size 271.78
[13:55]	bnchs	tor browser doesn't work on pure Xorg computers anymore
[13:55]	bnchs	it requires a little bit of wayland
[13:57]	SomeH4x0r	because fuck Firefox
[13:57]	XRevan86	bnchs: Huh?
● Feb 21
[14:01]	bnchs	when you run tor browser on a pure Xorg GNU/Linux: it will crash because of non-existant wayland functions
[14:01]	bnchs	"/somepath/tor/libxul.so: undefined symbol: gdk_wayland_display_get_wl_compositor"
[14:01]	bnchs	you either have to compile it with wayland
[14:02]	bnchs	or make a shim library and link tor browser with it
[14:02]	XRevan86	bnchs: Undefined symbol, eh?
[14:02]	bnchs	yes
[14:03]	XRevan86	bnchs: So ye patched GDK to remove everything that is related to Wayland?
[14:03]	bnchs	no
[14:03]	bnchs	this happens when you compile gdk without wayland
[14:03]	bnchs	#ifdefs
[14:04]	XRevan86	I guess when Firefox is compiled it should check whether that's the case and #ifdef accordingly.
[14:05]	MinceR	maybe it's time to explore the remaining free unixes
[14:05]	XRevan86	Strange that Gentoo users haven't complained to them.
[14:05]	MinceR	maybe gentoo was taken over already
[14:05]	XRevan86	Taken over by ?
[14:05]	bnchs	i'm gonna dig in the firefox source code
[14:06]	MinceR	by the ibm/deadrat drones
[14:07]	XRevan86	Who in turn made USE=wayland mandatory? Is that your implication?
[14:08]	MinceR	their tricks aren't always so straightforward
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[14:15]	bnchs	the issue is
[14:15]	bnchs	gentoo compiles tor browser with MOZ_WAYLAND macro defined
[14:15]	bnchs	even though it doesnt have wayland
[14:15]	XRevan86	bnchs: Sounds like a bugreport.
[14:15]	bnchs	https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-/issues/40693
[14:16]	TR Bot	 Potential Wayland dependency (#40693) Issues The Tor Project / Applications / Tor Browser GitLab
[14:16]	bnchs	they already reported it
[14:16]	TR News	Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161698 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:16]	TR Bot	 Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
[14:16]	MinceR	it was a mistake to build tor browser on top of failfox
[14:17]	XRevan86	bnchs: Wait, these are official pre-built binaries?
[14:17]	bnchs	or maybe tor builds tor browser with MOZ_WAYLAND
[14:18]	XRevan86	bnchs: Well, there's nothing to complain about in that case.
[14:18]	XRevan86	Other than "Wayland exists, sucks".
[14:19]	bnchs	even then i'm pretty sure they should add code to checking if the symbol exists
[14:20]	XRevan86	bnchs: That would be in runtime then.
[14:20]	TR News	#Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161699 #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:20]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[14:20]	bnchs	yes
[14:20]	bnchs	the code uses dlsym()
[14:21]	bnchs	they can try checking if the dlsym'd handle is NULL
[14:21]	bnchs	or if dlerror() doesn't return NULL
[14:23]	TR News	Community Member Monday: Nnamani Ezinne Martina Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161697 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:23]	TR Bot	 Community Member Monday: Nnamani Ezinne Martina | Tux Machines
[14:23]	XRevan86	https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/tip/gfx/gl/GLContextProviderEGL.cpp#l826-L831 doesn't look very dlsym-y to me.
[14:23]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/tip/gfx/gl/GLContextProviderEGL.cpp#l826-L831
[14:23]	TR Bot	 mozilla-central: gfx/gl/GLContextProviderEGL.cpp@da294804f2612d86706d443568b399123212757e
[14:24]	SomeH4x0r	don't bother with the "modern" web
[14:25]	bnchs	not that code
[14:27]	bnchs	https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/tip/widget/gtk/WidgetUtilsGtk.cpp#l62
[14:27]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/tip/widget/gtk/WidgetUtilsGtk.cpp#l62
[14:27]	TR Bot	 mozilla-central: widget/gtk/WidgetUtilsGtk.cpp@da294804f2612d86706d443568b399123212757e
[14:32]	TR News	After over a decade of relentless assaults on very basic rights of #EPO workers we're seeing industrial action, which is akin to civil disobedience (refusing to obey illegal instructions from EPO management) Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/21/patent-examiners-fight-back/ #Techrights #Europe #Corruption | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/21/patent-examiners-fight-back/
[14:33]	TR Bot	 Today Begins a Battle for Rights of Patent Examiners at the EPO | Techrights
[14:33]	XRevan86	bnchs: This piece of code wouldn't cause "undefined symbol" though.
[14:33]	MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/812109.jpg
[14:33]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: hugelolcdn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hugelolcdn.com/i/812109.jpg
[14:33]	XRevan86	bnchs: And it's not even the same one.
[14:33]	bnchs	i'm not really sure
[14:34]	bnchs	maybe i was wrong
[14:34]	XRevan86	bnchs: Well, looks like the original intention was in fact to avoid the thing ye experienced.
[14:37]	bnchs	"Linking to the shared library that provides gdk_wayland_display_get_wl_compositor is a compile time dependency. Guarding it with (runtime) code does not solve the issue as the library is searched for on ELF load, not during execution. This is why it is guarded with the preprocessor #define MOZ_GTK_WAYLAND, which in turn is guarded by MOZ_WAYLAND, which is a configure option. Presumably this has been recently turned on by default due to the newer 
[14:37]	bnchs	Firefox."
[14:41]	TR News	support
[14:41]	bnchs	support?
[14:41]	TR News	Don't expect GOG to support the Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/02/dont-expect-gog-to-support-the-steam-deck #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games | more in http://schestowitz.com/2022/02/21/#latest
[14:41]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/02/dont-expect-gog-to-support-the-steam-deck
[14:41]	TR Bot	expect GOG to support the Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux
[14:41]	TR Bot	 Social Control Media Posts
[14:41]	schestowitz-TR	bnchs: oopsie
[14:41]	schestowitz-TR	it came from the title which followed
[14:41]	bnchs	yes
[14:42]	TR News	#Security updates for Monday [LWN] https://lwn.net/Articles/885663/ #LWN #Linux
[14:42]	TR Bot	updates for Monday [LWN.net]
[14:51]	psydroid2	don't expect GOG to support the Steam Deck
[14:51]	TR News	#SvenGuckes RIP Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161700 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:51]	TR Bot	 Sven Guckes RIP | Tux Machines
[14:51]	bnchs	maybe because they only have windows programs
[14:51]	TR News	#dedoimedo Moving away from #vista11 - It begins Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161702 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:51]	TR Bot	 Moving away from Windows - It begins | Tux Machines
[14:51]	psydroid2	do expect GOG to support Microshock DeadOS and Gill Bates
[14:51]	TR News	6 Reasons to Try #NitruxOS Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161701 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #mexico
[14:51]	TR Bot	 6 Reasons to Try Nitrux OS | Tux Machines
[14:51]	bnchs	gog only has old windows games
[14:51]	bnchs	without DRM
[14:51]	bnchs	you can use wine
[14:54]	psydroid2	they can contribute to Lutris and other GUI frontends
[14:54]	SomeH4x0r	bnchs: no
[14:54]	psydroid2	these companies are in bed with Microsoft
[14:54]	SomeH4x0r	https://www.gog.com/forum/general/drm_on_gog_list_of_singleplayer_games_with_drm/page1
[14:54]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: gog.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gog.com/forum/general/drm_on_gog_list_of_singleplayer_games_with_drm/page1
[14:54]	TR Bot	on GOG: list of single-player games with DRM, page 1 - Forum - GOG.com
[14:54]		*XRevan86 watches the Security Council live.
[14:54]	bnchs	drm on gog
[14:54]	bnchs	fuck
[14:56]	SomeH4x0r	https://www.gog.com/forum/general/boycotting_gog_2021/page1
[14:56]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: gog.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gog.com/forum/general/boycotting_gog_2021/page1
[14:56]	TR Bot	GOG 2021-22, page 1 - Forum - GOG.com
[14:56]	MinceR	21 155152 < bnchs> gog only has old windows games
[14:57]	MinceR	pretty sure Amid Evil isn't old
[14:57]	SomeH4x0r	also GOG is no longer about old Windows games, for a few years
[14:57]	XRevan86	( not necessarily live %) )
[14:57]	SomeH4x0r	they dropped the "good old games" name
[14:57]	MinceR	also, Graven is so not old it isn't even out yet
[14:58]	SomeH4x0r	don't bother with "digital distribution". Look carefully and torrent the good games.
[14:58]	bnchs	i torrent games anyway
[14:58]	MinceR	most of these games were so cheap it was cheaper for me to just buy them than to torrent them and attempt to ensure their authenticity and malware-free status
[14:59]	SomeH4x0r	wtfd
[14:59]	SomeH4x0r	*wtf
[14:59]	bnchs	digital distribution is garbage
[14:59]	SomeH4x0r	then refund after you do
[14:59]	SomeH4x0r	fuck their services
[14:59]	SomeH4x0r	fucking paywalls
[14:59]	SomeH4x0r	they don't deserve to even exist
● Feb 21
[15:00]	bnchs	i torrent games everytime
[15:00]	MinceR	who, the developers?
[15:01]	SomeH4x0r	"digital distribution" stuff
[15:01]	TR News	Why you shouldnt Dual Boot on the #SteamDeck - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=exz-tJcXBCM #video #invidious #gnu #linux
[15:01]	TR Bot	 Why you shouldn't Dual Boot on the Steam Deck. - Invidious
[15:01]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161703 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[15:01]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[15:01]	SomeH4x0r	developers at least develop stuff, but these services just make money of nothing
[15:02]	bnchs	"installing windows on steam deck"
[15:02]	bnchs	holy fucking shit
[15:02]	TR News	#FreeDOS 1.3 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161704 #freeSW #DOS #TuxMachines
[15:02]	TR Bot	 FreeDOS 1.3 | Tux Machines
[15:02]	MinceR	lol
[15:02]	bnchs	yes i would definitely like to install windows on a device that probably doesn't have drivers for it on windows
[15:02]	bnchs	and get a much worse gaming experience
[15:03]	MinceR	https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/02/01/awkward-christian-album-covers/
[15:03]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/02/01/awkward-christian-album-covers/
[15:03]	TR Bot	 Awkward Christian Album Covers Too Pure To Get The Joke (22 Pics)
[15:03]	TR News	Full Circle Weekly News #249 https://fullcirclemagazine.org/podcast/full-circle-weekly-news-249/ #gnu #linux
[15:03]	TR Bot	 Full Circle Weekly News #249 | Full Circle Magazine
[15:03]	bnchs	also windows will probably eat your entire battery
[15:03]	psydroid2	why you shouldn't dual boot proprietary operating systems on any device
[15:03]	bnchs	in just a day
[15:03]	psydroid2	I only kept windows for warranty purposes
[15:04]	bnchs	that shit consumes 100% CPU because of the antivirus
[15:04]	psydroid2	and then I wiped it
[15:04]	MinceR	why you shouldn't care so much about whether you're running systemd or windows
[15:04]	SomeH4x0r	evil digital distribution people would brainwash you to think you are buying "games"
[15:04]	bnchs	windows consumes your battery because of the antivirus
[15:04]	SomeH4x0r	while in fact you are buying some weird kind of access
[15:04]	bnchs	and consumes your RAM
[15:05]	bnchs	it will probably turn the steam deck battery into shit in just 2 weeks
[15:05]	MinceR	you're buying a license, as with all other software
[15:05]	MinceR	strangely enough, many of these services like to say you "own" them though
[15:05]	SomeH4x0r	because they want to brainwash you
[15:07]	SomeH4x0r	I don't treat it as a "license". I really doubt anyone cares about legal stuff there.
[15:07]	TR News	#fakeSecurity with #QR #cargoCult https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/02/stealing-bicycles-by-swapping-qr-codes.html
[15:07]	TR Bot	Bicycles by Swapping QR Codes - Schneier on Security
[15:07]	SomeH4x0r	it is just some access, and the websites die
[15:08]	psydroid2	systemd/Linux is increasingly becoming an enabler for proprietary software
[15:08]	TR News	Top 10 Best #Gedit Text Editor Plugins for Programmers and Coding Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161705 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[15:08]	SomeH4x0r	will you be able to recover the "license" if the digital distribution service disappears for good with no clue what happened?
[15:08]	TR Bot	 Top 10 Best Gedit Text Editor Plugins for Programmers and Coding | Tux Machines
[15:08]		*bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
[15:08]	SomeH4x0r	I at least know Desura, though never used it, might be wrong
[15:08]	psydroid2	and you can't get those goods if you are on OpenBSD
[15:09]	MinceR	that's why you use gog and download backup installers for everything
[15:10]	TR News	"In this twenty-fifth episode of the WordPress Briefing, Executive Director, Josepha Haden Chomphosy discusses future-proofing the WordPress project with the Five for the Future pledge." https://wordpress.org/news/2022/02/episode-25-five-cents-on-five-for-the-future/
[15:10]	TR Bot	 Episode 25: Five Cents on Five for the Future WordPress News
[15:10]	SomeH4x0r	yes, or go download these from torrents (possibly use a few sources to verify the files are the same) and don't bother with the legal stuff people hardly care about
[15:11]	schestowitz	AMD ads https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-ADL-Radeon-Linux-5.17
[15:11]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-ADL-Radeon-Linux-5.17
[15:11]	TR Bot	Alder Lake + Radeon Linux Gaming Performance Holds Steady With 5.17 Kernel - Phoronix
[15:12]	TR News	#Rakudo Weekly News: 2022.08 Grammarly co-op https://rakudoweekly.blog/2022/02/21/2022-08-grammarly-co-op/ #rakulang #programming
[15:12]	TR Bot	 2022.08 Grammarly co-op Rakudo Weekly News
[15:14]	TR News	#microsoft = disposable junk. Remember #xbox (cost Microsoft BILLIONS in losses) https://hackaday.com/2022/02/21/the-little-replacement-psu-that-could-kill-a-microsoft-surface-and-monitor/
[15:14]	TR Bot	Little Replacement PSU That Could: Kill A Microsoft Surface And Monitor | Hackaday
[15:15]	psydroid2	how to insert references to AMD products into articles about products from competitors
[15:15]	TR News	Building and running #FIPS containers on #Ubuntu 18.04 | Ubuntu https://ubuntu.com//blog/building-and-running-fips-containers-on-ubuntu18-04 #gnu #linux
[15:15]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/building-and-running-fips-containers-on-ubuntu18-04
[15:15]	TR Bot	and running FIPS containers on Ubuntu 18.04 | Ubuntu
[15:17]	TR News	"Every month we review the work funded by #Freexian s #Debian LTS offering. Please find the report for January below." https://raphaelhertzog.com/2022/02/21/freexians-report-about-debian-long-term-support-january-2022/ #gnu #linux
[15:17]	TR Bot	 Freexians report about Debian Long Term Support, January 2022
[15:31]	schestowitz-TR	https://nitter.eu/BrideOfLinux/status/1495771547486801925#m
[15:31]	TR Bot	 Christine Hall (@BrideOfLinux): "I like the headline: Snap is Not Linux and the Sky is Not Falling https://buff.ly/3I7YWns" | nitter
[15:31]	TR News	#Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161706 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[15:31]	TR Bot	 Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
[15:32]	XRevan86	It was definitely not live, those lying bastards.
[15:32]	psydroid2	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland,_Massachusetts
[15:32]	TR Bot	 Wayland, Massachusetts - Wikipedia
[15:32]	psydroid2	like X11, Massachusetts
[15:33]	XRevan86	Mishustin leaves the platform, camera shows Putin for a second, back to the platform: Mishustin is already sitting comfortably on his chair and Krasnov is leaving the plarform.
[15:34]	schestowitz	http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Weekend-in-Sheffield/Weston-Park-Museum?page=2
[15:34]	TR Bot	 Weston Park Museum
[15:34]	MinceR	burning platform
[15:34]	schestowitz	2020
[15:35]	XRevan86	https://t.me/worldprotest/16996 so this was not a fluke
[15:35]	TR Bot	 Telegram: Contact @worldprotest
[15:35]	XRevan86	Shoygu's watch showed 12:47
[15:36]	MinceR	https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/funny-pictures-2-1-22-1.jpg
[15:36]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/funny-pictures-2-1-22-1.jpg
[15:37]	XRevan86	So Krasnov got cut out Live :)
[15:40]	TR News	X4: Tides of Avarice and the 5.00 update land March 14 | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/02/x4-tides-of-avarice-and-the-500-update-land-march-14 #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games | more in http://schestowitz.com/2022/02/21/#latest
[15:40]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/02/x4-tides-of-avarice-and-the-500-update-land-march-14
[15:40]	TR Bot	Tides of Avarice and the 5.00 update land March 14 | GamingOnLinux
[15:40]	TR Bot	 Social Control Media Posts
[15:41]	TR News	Co-op survival horror Pacify gets #SteamDeck upgrades | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/02/co-op-survival-horror-pacify-gets-steam-deck-upgrades #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 
[15:41]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/02/co-op-survival-horror-pacify-gets-steam-deck-upgrades
[15:41]	TR Bot	survival horror Pacify gets Steam Deck upgrades | GamingOnLinux
[15:44]	TR News	#microsoft #windows is on fire, so #OnMSFT is shilling #WSL (Windows) again, trying to keep people on fake 'Linux' that gives them a poor experience/impression and keeps them enslaved by the criminals from Redmond. Link omitted.
[15:46]	TR News	Nasty #Linux #Kernel Stack Overflow Flaw Found and Patched http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161706#comment-32873
[15:46]	TR Bot	 Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
[15:51]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 33.83 average k/sec., average swarm size 271.81
[15:56]	TR News	#SFTube - A Stylish YouTube App with Downloading Support Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161707 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[15:56]	TR Bot	 SF Tube - A Stylish YouTube App with Downloading Support | Tux Machines
[15:57]	TR News	#Games: GOG, Steam Deck, X4: Tides of Avarice, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161708 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[15:57]	TR Bot	 Games: GOG, Steam Deck, X4: Tides of Avarice, and More | Tux Machines
● Feb 21
[16:01]	TR News	Rotary Valve Engine Gets A Second Chance, Smokes The Competition | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2022/02/21/rotary-valve-engine-gets-a-second-chance-smokes-the-competition/ #hackaday
[16:01]	TR Bot	Valve Engine Gets A Second Chance, Smokes The Competition | Hackaday
[16:02]	TR News	#GNU #BBDB version 3.2.1 (stable) released on 21 February 2022 https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Bbdb #freesw #fsf
[16:02]	TR Bot	 Bbdb - Free Software Directory
[16:03]	TR News	"All three processing units support complex computing, but each is suited for different tasks or workloads. By using multiple types of processing units in your data center, these units can support each other and further accelerate large or complicated tasks." https://www.techtarget.com/searchdatacenter/tip/How-do-CPU-GPU-and-DPU-differ-from-one-another
[16:03]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: techtarget.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techtarget.com/searchdatacenter/tip/How-do-CPU-GPU-and-DPU-differ-from-one-another
[16:03]	TR Bot	 How do CPU, GPU and DPU differ from one another?
[16:13]	TR News	#Nextcloud : Full Setup & Implementation Guide (Updated for 2022!) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=2OsNGj2n2zc #video #invidious #freesw
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[17:06]	psydroid2	so all of these companies simply don't care or think they don't have to do anything?
[17:07]	bnchs	nah they're too lazy
[17:07]	bnchs	or bribed by microsoft to stay on their rotting os
[17:09]	schestowitz-TR	yeah
[17:09]	schestowitz-TR	"parnership"
[17:09]	schestowitz-TR	not collusion
[17:09]	schestowitz-TR	"parnership"
[17:10]	MinceR	https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/funny-pictures-2-1-22-5.jpg
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[17:10]	bnchs	https://www.2600.com/hacked_pages/1999/1299.html
[17:10]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: 2600.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.2600.com/hacked_pages/1999/1299.html
[17:10]	TR Bot	 Hacked Sites Archive
[17:11]	bnchs	hacked sites of december 1999
[17:12]	schestowitz-TR	epo got rid of its maintframe yesterday
[17:12]	schestowitz-TR	in NL
[17:12]	schestowitz-TR	psydroid2: can you find details about it in dutch
[17:12]	schestowitz-TR	I've just done a video about it
[17:14]	schestowitz-TR	i also got some inside info on npm
[17:14]	schestowitz-TR	but that's a separate article
[17:18]	psydroid2	it's hard to find any information about that
[17:18]	psydroid2	no one is mentioning anything about it
[17:19]	schestowitz-TR	yeah
[17:19]	schestowitz-TR	EPO killed the media
[17:19]	psydroid2	and I can't find anything on Gulag or Searx either
[17:19]	schestowitz-TR	no actual journalisd exists anymore re patents
[17:20]	psydroid2	apparently their mainframe died
[17:20]	psydroid2	it was so old that everyone who knew anything about it has retired
[17:20]	psydroid2	according to this
[17:20]	psydroid2	http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/04/15/will-the-epo-still-be-normal-under-the-new-normal/
[17:20]	TR Bot	 Will the EPO still be normal under the New Normal? - Kluwer Patent Blog
[17:21]	schestowitz-TR	thanks
[17:21]	schestowitz-TR	I saw it at the time
[17:21]	psydroid2	but whoever they bought or rented the mainframe from should have kept their systems up-to-date
[17:22]	psydroid2	IBM itself has been collapsing, though
[17:23]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-200421.html
[17:23]	TR Bot	 IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Tuesday, April 20, 2021
[17:23]	schestowitz	it's even reproduced here
[17:25]	psydroid2	IBM only has $5B in revenue from mainframes anymore from what I read somewhere
[17:25]	psydroid2	so how long are they going to keep the lights on?
[17:25]	MinceR	maybe MICROS~1 will buy them :>
[17:26]	psydroid2	I'm reading about "MaaS" now
[17:26]	schestowitz-TR	with biden bucks?
[17:26]	psydroid2	mainframe as a service
[17:27]	psydroid2	mainframe in the cloud
[17:27]	psydroid2	mainframe in the sky
[17:27]	psydroid2	mainframe in the afterlife
[17:27]	bnchs	whats the difference between cloud and some guy's random server
[17:27]	psydroid2	mainframe going to mars
[17:27]	bnchs	the former sounds a bit more safer
[17:27]	SomeH4x0r	is there a difference?
[17:27]	bnchs	than some guy's random server
[17:27]	MinceR	the former is the marketing term for the latter
[17:27]	MinceR	suitspeak
[17:28]	bnchs	yes
[17:28]	bnchs	the cloud is simply to cover up that your data is stored on some guy's random server
[17:28]	bnchs	unencrypted
[17:28]	psydroid2	misinformation meant for people whose minds are clouded
[17:30]	bnchs	and i like how they encourage you to use this cloud
[17:30]	bnchs	even devices that have little local storage and force you to use the "cloud"
[17:32]	schestowitz-TR	clowns
[17:32]	schestowitz-TR	"CIOs"
[17:32]	schestowitz-TR	"CTOs"
[17:33]	schestowitz-TR	people who buy "IT" brochures
[17:33]	bnchs	clownud
[17:33]	schestowitz-TR	and follow the instructions on them
[17:33]	bnchs	there's no clowns but the people who buy steam deck to install windows on it
[17:34]	psydroid2	I've been saying that they're making local hardware you can buy expensive so you will favourably towards the cloud and choose to rent capacity over just buying local systems which then only require electricity and minor maintenance
[17:34]	schestowitz-TR	bnchs: not the point
[17:34]	psydroid2	you will look favourably*
[17:34]	schestowitz-TR	Microsoft just wants to put people off
[17:34]	schestowitz-TR	one tactic is
[17:34]	schestowitz-TR	associate steam deck with Windows
[17:34]	schestowitz-TR	and then people lose interest
[17:34]	schestowitz-TR	they did this before
[17:34]	bnchs	valve made sure that windows won't work with steam deck
[17:35]	schestowitz-TR	you put the Microsoft brand on what you want KILLED 
[17:35]	schestowitz-TR	i.e. not linkedin
[17:35]	schestowitz-TR	or skype
[17:35]	schestowitz-TR	or shithub
[17:35]	schestowitz-TR	a lot of people still don't know the Microsoft ownership thing
[17:35]	schestowitz-TR	same for instagram and whatsapp wrt FB
[17:36]	bnchs	psydroid2, what about the shortage of hard drives
[17:37]	bnchs	"shortage"
[17:38]	psydroid2	bnchs, that's something too, but I don't think that is the primary thing holding computing back, unless you are in the business of collecting huge amounts of data
[17:39]	psydroid2	Intel had wished that x86 would stay in place forever and all important processing would move to the server side located in big clouds
[17:40]	bnchs	you don't own your computer
[17:40]	bnchs	nor your data
[17:40]	psydroid2	but then ARM came with ARMv9 and RISC-V with multiple extensions that allow a lot of efficient processing on the client side
[17:40]	psydroid2	so plan thwarted
[17:40]	psydroid2	I'm fine with my $5 ARM chip, thank you very much
[17:40]	bnchs	i hate gulagtube
[17:40]	psydroid2	I don't use gulagtube directly
[17:41]	bnchs	some of the videos i used to watch now have their "copyrighted" music replaced with awful music
[17:41]	psydroid2	and I mainly use it for music
[17:41]	bnchs	or partly muted
[17:41]	psydroid2	which I should download ASAP before it's gone
[17:41]	SomeH4x0r	bnchs: don't trust "streaming", download and archive stuff.
[17:41]	bnchs	the problem is that the "copyrighted" music is played alongside the dialogue, which means i can't hear shit now
[17:42]	bnchs	SomeH4x0r, yes i wish i did do it before
[17:42]	bnchs	now i have to go find some copy of the video
[17:43]	bnchs	the videos got tampered without being reuploaded
[17:44]	schestowitz-TR	content imperialism
[17:44]	schestowitz-TR	impsosing imperial agenda on "user" "generated" "content"
[17:44]	MinceR	https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/funny-pictures-2-1-22-2.jpg
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[17:44]	psydroid2	is there any chance of gulagtube ever going under?
[17:45]	bnchs	which means gulag can just start modifying videos while still maintaining their upload date
[17:45]	bnchs	which means you can't trust the date anymore
[17:45]	MinceR	at the latest, it will go under with the rest of humanity
[17:45]	psydroid2	or at least becoming just a shell while the interesting content moves elsewhere
[17:45]	psydroid2	yes
[17:45]	schestowitz-TR	livelseaks went under
[17:45]	schestowitz-TR	lbry in limbo
[17:45]	MinceR	it's hard to move interesting content elsewhere when the alternatives are so poor
[17:45]	MinceR	nothing even loads anymore from odysee
[17:45]	schestowitz-TR	soapbox (microsofT) died fast
[17:45]	schestowitz-TR	googlevideo died
[17:45]	schestowitz-TR	around 2010
[17:46]	schestowitz-TR	they didn't even save the link
[17:46]	MinceR	people refuse to use distributed alternatives
[17:46]	schestowitz-TR	all these platforms are dodgy
[17:46]	schestowitz-TR	here today, gone tomorrow
[17:46]	MinceR	or to host on their own webservers (which probably costs too much)
[17:46]	schestowitz-TR	guulag can even decide to break all gulagtube URLs to make "better ones"
[17:46]	bnchs	all of the centralized video sharing alternatives i found were shady as fuck
[17:46]	schestowitz-TR	like youtube.com/user/video_title
[17:46]	psydroid2	so torrents it is?
[17:46]	schestowitz-TR	they still use the pre-gulag schema
[17:46]	psydroid2	everything distributed via torrents?
[17:46]	bnchs	torrents are better
[17:46]	MinceR	if people were willing to use torrents, yes
[17:47]	MinceR	but they aren't
[17:47]	bnchs	it doesn't require a server
[17:47]	schestowitz-TR	iirc gulag bought it for 6 billion because googlevideo was failing (to dominate)
[17:47]	bnchs	or a big server
[17:47]	schestowitz-TR	distributed storage
[17:47]	psydroid2	I don't know trustworthy or dodgy tribler is
[17:47]	schestowitz-TR	not distributed across DCs of gulag
[17:48]	psydroid2	or what else is available
[17:48]	schestowitz-TR	but across the actual clients that are making actual use of the material
[17:48]	schestowitz-TR	some TV channels used p2p
[17:48]	schestowitz-TR	and not iptv
[17:48]	schestowitz-TR	the idea is, lower costs
[17:48]	schestowitz-TR	windows update does this too
[17:48]	schestowitz-TR	which is dubious from security pov
[17:48]	schestowitz-TR	and caused huge issues in the past
[17:48]	bnchs	schestowitz-TR, epends on how windows update is implemented
[17:49]	schestowitz-TR	but it's not good for ADVERTISING
[17:49]	bnchs	if there's no checksum or microsoft signed certificate
[17:49]	schestowitz-TR	so gulag will never let people do gulagtube the p2p way
[17:49]	psydroid2	I had a windows update taking about 6 hours when I first got my laptop
[17:49]	psydroid2	and that was on a superfast network
[17:49]	schestowitz-TR	they don't even do deltas yet
[17:49]	bnchs	this is how gulagtube censorship is gonna start
[17:49]	schestowitz-TR	gnu linux did deltas over a decade ago
[17:49]	schestowitz-TR	the OS is a goo
[17:49]	bnchs	first they mute or replace "copyrighted" shit without your knowledge
[17:50]	bnchs	with or without*
[17:50]	schestowitz-TR	yeah
[17:50]	schestowitz-TR	it got very bad in recent years
[17:50]	psydroid2	you can't trust what is on gulagtube anymore
[17:50]	schestowitz-TR	and I lost track of the scandals
[17:50]	schestowitz-TR	so many
[17:50]	schestowitz-TR	so many people reacted too late
[17:50]	schestowitz-TR	lost "content"
[17:50]	schestowitz-TR	lost "audience"
[17:50]	bnchs	then they'll most likely abuse it to mute any "misinformation"
[17:50]	schestowitz-TR	lost "money" (real money actually)
[17:50]	schestowitz-TR	you can only even be a slave in a gulag
[17:51]	schestowitz-TR	and better not be in such ionternment conditiuons in the first place
[17:51]	schestowitz-TR	the same ism true for shithub
[17:51]	psydroid2	building a "youtube" business sounds really risky
[17:51]	schestowitz-TR	same for fb
[17:51]	schestowitz-TR	or linkedin
[17:51]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2021/10/16/microsoft-linkedin-github/
[17:51]	TR Bot	 [Meme] Microsoft Has Always Been About Control Over Others | Techrights
[17:51]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 35.66 k/sec., IPFS upstream 27.18 average k/sec., average swarm size 271.84
[17:52]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2020/06/28/linkedin-censorship/
[17:52]	TR Bot	 When It Comes to Killing Businesses Microsoft Defends Its Crown | Techrights
[17:52]	schestowitz	they kill businesses now
[17:52]	schestowitz	through linkedin
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[17:52]	schestowitz	linkedin layoffs :http://techrights.org/2020/07/22/linkedin-workforce-layoffs/
[17:52]	TR Bot	 Fifth Round of Microsoft Layoffs in Less Than 2 Months: Another Thousand Job Cuts (6% of LinkedIn Workforce) | Techrights
[17:53]	schestowitz	[17:50] <bnchs> then they'll most likely abuse it to mute any "misinformation"
[17:53]	schestowitz	gulag already flags channels not for dininfo
[17:53]	schestowitz	just for being foreign
[17:53]	schestowitz	like,
[17:53]	schestowitz	this video is connected to the government of china
[17:53]	schestowitz	or russia
[17:53]	bnchs	and them replacing the "copyrighted" shit with awful music means that they can go even more and replace your shit with deepfake voice
[17:53]	schestowitz	not even commenting on the actual content
[17:53]	schestowitz	they don't flag videos sponsored by the US regime
[17:53]	bnchs	or anything they want
[17:54]	schestowitz	because to gulag the goal is to only amplify a certain narrative of ghegemony
[17:54]	schestowitz	and thus over time they use the platform for manipulation of perception by omission
[17:54]	schestowitz	censorship and deranking
[17:55]	bnchs	you can't trust the videos on gulagtube anymore
[17:55]	bnchs	because they may be modified
[17:55]	bnchs	than from when you remembered
[17:55]	SomeH4x0r	then you can never trust any server at all
[17:55]	schestowitz-TR	can trust your own
[17:55]	schestowitz-TR	and then go by a chain of trust
[17:55]	schestowitz-TR	through people
[17:55]	schestowitz-TR	not corporations
[17:55]	schestowitz-TR	or governments
[17:55]	SomeH4x0r	do you "own" it? Evil hardware, near future...
[17:58]	bnchs	SomeH4x0r, i expected only the metadata to be modified
[17:58]	psydroid2	the return of web rings
[17:58]	bnchs	not the data itself
[17:58]	psydroid2	but in gemini and friends
[17:59]	SomeH4x0r	what is wrong with JS/CSS-free web?
[17:59]	bnchs	just a little bit of CSS
[17:59]	bnchs	for the background
[17:59]	bnchs	and thats it
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[18:00]	psydroid2	the web is controlled by the same controlling corporations
[18:00]	psydroid2	I wouldn't want to build my stuff on top of that
[18:00]	SomeH4x0r	just ignore the "modern" shit
[18:00]	psydroid2	that's not a solution for me, it might be for others
[18:01]	bnchs	just because the web is primarily occuplied by corporations
[18:01]	SomeH4x0r	small CLI web browsers exist
[18:01]	bnchs	doesn't mean you should abandon it
[18:02]	psydroid2	I'm fine with abandoning it
[18:02]	psydroid2	and I hope it abandons me too, so I can feel what it's like to be an orphan
[18:07]	psydroid2	we can do what techrights is doing
[18:08]	psydroid2	offer https support through a gemini->https gateway
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[18:15]	bnchs	so lenovo thinkcenter can lock in CPUs to their own brand
[18:22]	psydroid2	locks aren't the problem
[18:22]	psydroid2	I see it as an opportunity to break free
[18:23]	bnchs	well it's a PSB fuse
[18:23]	bnchs	they fuse in the PSB fuse, the problem is that this is poorly documented
[18:23]	psydroid2	let them be stuck with their CPUs locked to their systems that no one buys anymore, when they find out what is happening
[18:24]	bnchs	yes
[18:24]	psydroid2	they say it's for "security" but they probably mean "security of sales"
[18:24]	bnchs	but it's not eco-friendly in the long term
[18:24]	bnchs	the "feature" is poorly documented in lenovo's manuals and shit, and even in the BIOS they never say anything about the fuse
[18:25]	psydroid2	eco-friendliness goes out the window when money is on the line
[18:25]	psydroid2	they do that on purpose
[18:25]	psydroid2	who would buy such a machine otherwise?
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[18:26]	bnchs	this should be illegal
[18:27]	bnchs	and AMD is the one helping lenovo doing this
[18:27]	psydroid2	people should stop buying AMD and Lenovo then
[18:28]	bnchs	it's actually on any PSB-enabled motherboards
[18:28]	bnchs	they will lock in the CPUs into any motherboard with the security fuse
[18:29]	bnchs	"We have confirmed that other vendors are supporting the feature behind this. For the large vendors, their platform security teams are pushing to build more secure platforms for their customers, and that is going to have future impacts on the secondary server market and home labs."
[18:29]	psydroid2	I know
[18:29]	psydroid2	all my AMD hardware is ancient
[18:29]	bnchs	whats so dangerous about a AMD processor
[18:29]	psydroid2	and I'm not planning to add anything to it
[18:29]	psydroid2	https://semiaccurate.com/2022/01/18/amds-new-cpus-may-be-safe-to-deploy/
[18:29]	TR Bot	new CPUs may be safe to deploy - SemiAccurate
[18:29]	bnchs	it has no data no shit
[18:29]	bnchs	just processes
[18:29]	bnchs	it's pointless
[18:30]	psydroid2	it's a business decision, not a technical decision
[18:30]	bnchs	yes
[18:30]	bnchs	but they're shilling it as "security" even though the processor do not have data, and the only time where the processor does have access to data is where it's booted up into a PSB-locked motherboard
[18:31]	psydroid2	I'm planning to move everything to ARM and RISC-V and then we'll see who dares pulling off such tricks
[18:31]	psydroid2	they will be executed during the first refresh cycle
[18:31]	bnchs	"AMD EPYC CPUs may be x86, but they have an embedded Arm Cortex-A5 microcontroller that runs its own OS that is independent of the main system."
[18:31]	psydroid2	a lack of competition makes the executives of companies overconfident, thinking that their customers won't leave
[18:32]	bnchs	your x86 cpus have a ARM cpu inside it
[18:32]	psydroid2	until they do leave
[18:32]	bnchs	with it's own OS
[18:32]	bnchs	AMD PSP 2.0
[18:32]	psydroid2	that you don't control
[18:32]	psydroid2	and you know nothing about
[18:32]	bnchs	this will be alot harder to patch out than Wintel ME
[18:32]	bnchs	or AMD PSP
[18:33]	bnchs	since it's directly in the CPU die
[18:33]	psydroid2	basically this laptop is the last thing keeping me in x86 land
[18:35]	bnchs	but here's the problem
[18:35]	bnchs	the AMD PSB can be used to deny you access to the CPU
[18:36]	bnchs	and the PSB also has it's own OS
[18:36]	bnchs	which means when you do something bad, they can just brick your CPU
[18:37]	psydroid2	people will find out what is going on in a few years
[18:37]	psydroid2	when it's already too late
[18:37]	psydroid2	people are willing to go very far to play "their precious games"
[18:39]	bnchs	they will use this to enforce many things
[18:39]	bnchs	"no hate speech"
[18:39]	bnchs	"no piracy"
[18:40]	psydroid2	it's not as much a technological issue as it is a societal or civilisational issue
[18:40]	psydroid2	is this where we want to go?
[18:41]	XRevan86	Russia is going to recognise DPR/LPR.
[18:43]	bnchs	x86 is already going to shit that your x86 cpu already has a ARM cpu on it
[18:47]	psydroid2	I thought x86 was already shit because it's x86
[18:47]	psydroid2	but yeah, that only makes it worse
[18:47]	MinceR	https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/classified
[18:47]	TR Bot	 Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Classified
[18:47]	bnchs	you might aswell just buy a ARM chip
[18:48]	bnchs	if your x86 chip is gonna have it
[18:49]	psydroid2	what Intel and AMD are doing is buying time to figure a way out
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[18:55]	bnchs	it will probably be no time until we see x86_64 emulators for GNU/Linux binaries
[18:55]	bnchs	like you can run GNU/Linux binaries with QEMU
[18:55]	bnchs	or accelerator boards with a x86 cpu for faster emulation
[18:56]	psydroid2	I already did that a few years ago
[18:56]	psydroid2	I installed a full GNU/Linux x86 OS in QEMU on ARM
[18:56]	bnchs	yes
[18:57]	bnchs	but have you tried making an accelerator boards for ARM motherboards
[18:57]	bnchs	that have a x86 cpu
[18:57]	psydroid2	but user emulation should be fine for just running software
[18:57]	psydroid2	no, I haven't
[18:57]	bnchs	well that was a joke question
[18:58]	psydroid2	because I've been learning ARM, RISC-V and POWER assembly to outright port x86 assembly code to other architectures
[18:58]	psydroid2	the proper thing to do is porting software
[18:58]	bnchs	yes
[18:58]	bnchs	isn't that called translating
[18:59]	bnchs	i think emulators already do that
[18:59]	bnchs	like dynarec
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[18:59]	bnchs	(dynamic recompiler)
[18:59]	psydroid2	and I couldn't care less about proprietary software for x86, even though there are things like box86/64 and fex-emu
[18:59]	psydroid2	yes
[18:59]	techrights_guest|31	hello
[18:59]	psydroid2	but I prefer the source to be portable and not just binaries
[18:59]	psydroid2	hello
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● Feb 21
[19:01]	psydroid2	Intel has an army of 15,000 software developers that have optimised everything to such an extent for x86 that unoptimised code on another architecture doesn't run as well
[19:01]	psydroid2	and this is then used to make that non-Intel architecture look bad
[19:01]	bnchs	just #ifdef
[19:01]	bnchs	oh
[19:01]	bnchs	they use shit like SIMD
[19:01]	bnchs	and SSE and AVX
[19:02]	psydroid2	yes
[19:02]	bnchs	the problem is if other architectures will implement those
[19:02]	bnchs	s/those/something like those/
[19:02]	psydroid2	ARM and RISC-V have something better now called SVE2 and RISC-V respectively
[19:03]	psydroid2	vector instructions that are independent of the width of the vector unit
[19:03]	bnchs	risc-v/risc-v?
[19:03]	psydroid2	yes
[19:04]	psydroid2	v as for vector extension
[19:04]	psydroid2	oops
[19:04]	psydroid2	s/RISC-V/V-extension/
[19:04]	psydroid2	in the second instance
[19:04]	bnchs	yes
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[19:06]	psydroid2	https://medium.com/swlh/risc-v-vector-instructions-vs-arm-and-x86-simd-8c9b17963a31
[19:06]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: medium.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medium.com/swlh/risc-v-vector-instructions-vs-arm-and-x86-simd-8c9b17963a31
[19:06]	TR Bot	Vector Instructions vs ARM and x86 SIMD | by Erik Engheim | The Startup | Medium
[19:06]	psydroid2	this is just an overview
[19:14]	TR News	European #Patent Office (EPO) Accelerates Outsourcing of Its Operations to the United States of America, Quite Likely in Defiance of #GDPR and Basic Common Sense Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/21/death-of-a-mainframe-in-epo/ #Techrights #clowncomputing #europe | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/21/death-of-a-mainframe-in-epo/
[19:14]	TR Bot	 European Patent Office (EPO) Accelerates Outsourcing of Its Operations to the United States of America, Quite Likely in Defiance of GDPR and Basic Common Sense | Techrights
[19:16]	bnchs	no GDPR for me, but GDPR for you
[19:16]	bnchs	they might aswell let facebook outsource european data to america
[19:16]	MinceR	"rule of law" in practice
[19:17]	MinceR	they probably will, as they're gutless pieces of shit
[19:18]	TR News	Dear Mr. Rowan Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/21/bean-putting-the-epo-in-the-bin/ #Techrights #clowncomputing #europe #epo #microsoft | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/21/bean-putting-the-epo-in-the-bin/
[19:18]	TR Bot	 Dear Mr. Rowan | Techrights
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[19:28]	DaemonFC	Part of a Facebook post: "If you do anything with crypto it creates a tax situation where it's iffy on how you're supposed to report gains and losses. If you have more than 250 transactions, you'll need to summarize, and then things get really questionable and difficult.
[19:28]	DaemonFC	So it becomes hard to use crypto as a means of payment, because if you bought a sandwich, it creates a capital loss or gain, and that's one of your 250 transactions that you can directly report on Form 8949, so people will back away from using it as a currency, and start "holding" and waiting for it to go up. The problem is that when everyone does that, it stops being a currency and becomes a bubble. Personally, I think FIFO is the right thing 
[19:28]	DaemonFC	to do as far as reporting, but there are many interpretations, and the IRS keeps updating their "guidance" to be as mysterious as possible.
[19:28]	DaemonFC	I can only surmise that this situation, which came about under Trump, is also designed to make American citizens too scared to go anywhere near anything other than the manipulated currency produced by the government, from which they can devalue your entire savings and use it to prop up the billionaires.
[19:28]	DaemonFC	Also, guess what? The IRS is happy as long as the value of crypto goes up, in general, because it means revenue, but if and when the tide goes out and people start reporting that they lost $10,000, $20,000, $50,000 or more, and carrying forward the loss (like Trump did for 20 years after his failed casino) that's when they'll snap to it, start auditing everyone, disallowing the deductions, and leave you holding the bag on all of the losses."
[19:28]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, The tax situation with crypto is the most ridiculous thing about crypto.
[19:28]	DaemonFC	It's designed to make crypto fail if it wouldn't already.
[19:29]	DaemonFC	If you buy anything with it, you have to report that as if you sold some stock to buy whatever it is you bought. If you use cash, there is no such requirement to report Capital Gains.
[19:29]	MinceR	(cat) https://i.imgur.com/MhzDiA2.jpeg
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[19:29]	DaemonFC	It's designed to prop up cash because cash doesn't have difficult reporting requirements.
[19:30]	schestowitz	MinceR: or else!
[19:31]	bnchs	there's no else statement
[19:31]	schestowitz	only implicit
[19:31]	schestowitz	else {nothing happens;}
[19:32]	DaemonFC	The real goal is not really so much revenue, but to scare people away from crypto.
[19:32]	schestowitz	conditional execution in low level
[19:32]	schestowitz	binary condition
[19:32]	DaemonFC	There's no outright BAN on Americans trading in crypto, but it makes it difficult for you come tax time to be really sure of yourself unless you didn't deal with very much of it last year.
[19:32]	schestowitz	if else if like two conditions in a sense
[19:32]	schestowitz	with two redirections
[19:32]	DaemonFC	I'm sure if they can't make it fail with the revenue code, a ban comes later.
[19:33]	DaemonFC	The EU is already ahead of us. First they tried to knock it over with the tax code. Now they're saying they want to ban mining to save the environment.
[19:33]	schestowitz	it's hard to tax a babysitter
[19:33]	schestowitz	young
[19:33]	DaemonFC	Like Communist China.
[19:33]	schestowitz	takes cash
[19:33]	schestowitz	has no bank account
[19:33]	schestowitz	cannot report to irs
[19:33]	DaemonFC	They could.
[19:33]	schestowitz	rianne and I pay cash only
[19:33]	schestowitz	for other reasons though
[19:34]	DaemonFC	You can report misc income and just submit the return.
[19:34]	schestowitz	VAT is part of the item's price already
[19:34]	DaemonFC	It's kind of pointless, but you can.
[19:34]	DaemonFC	A teenage babysitter is unlikely to earn $12,550 that year doing part time and working in cash.
[19:34]	schestowitz	a "Facebook" 'post' that calls it 'crypto' is not worth reading
[19:34]	DaemonFC	You only have to file a tax return if you earn more than the standard deduction would be.
[19:35]	schestowitz	because it's BS by sematics
[19:35]	DaemonFC	In fact, if you have no income, sometimes it's better not to file at all.
[19:35]	DaemonFC	The IRS audits no income tax returns.
[19:36]	DaemonFC	So if you're not getting any money back, and aren't required to file, you may not want to have a tax return on file that year.
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[19:36]	DaemonFC	The IRS is actually more likely to audit a return with an AGI of $0 than it is anyone else.
[19:36]	DaemonFC	Because it's a red flag. "How is this guy living if he really has no money?"
[19:37]	TR News	#apple = bubble https://forums.swift.org/t/core-team-to-form-language-workgroup/55455
[19:37]	TR Bot	 Core team to form language workgroup - Announcements - Swift Forums
[19:37]	DaemonFC	But on the flip side, the IRS also flags people who don't file returns for several years in a row and sends them a letter telling them to explain why sometimes.
[19:37]	DaemonFC	My aunt got hurt and went on Disability, which isn't taxable in her situation.
[19:37]	DaemonFC	So she went fom filing tax returns to not filing.
[19:38]	DaemonFC	Six years in, the IRS sent her a letter asking why she wasn't filing tax returns. She had to write back saying "My only source of income is non-taxable Social Security benefits, and therefore I am not required to file tax returns.".
[19:38]	TR News	Late Night Linux Episode 165 - Late Night Linux https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-165/ #latenightlinux #gnu #linux
[19:38]	TR Bot	 Late Night Linux Episode 165 Late Night Linux
[19:38]	DaemonFC	They accepted that and went away.
[19:38]	DaemonFC	But they do follow up with people who used to file, stopped filing, and aren't in the Social Security Death Master File.
[19:39]	DaemonFC	The funny thing is that the IRS must have known she was on disability.
[19:40]	DaemonFC	Because Social Security sends them, and you, a 1099-SSA form each year.
[19:40]	DaemonFC	And that would have been the only income on their file.
[19:40]	DaemonFC	So their computer should have known not to send her a letter asking what had happened.
[19:41]	DaemonFC	If there's a serious mismatch of the income on their file and what you reported, or did not report, they would have sent a CP2000 letter stating "We have information that you did not report all of your income. We are assessing you $x in additional taxes. You have 30 days to pay or reply and appeal." not "Why aren't you filing?".
[19:42]	MinceR	cyberpunk 2000
[19:42]	DaemonFC	They don't want the public to know what they do or why.
[19:42]	DaemonFC	Tax attorneys just advice "be honest to a fault". Which is good advice.
[19:43]	DaemonFC	*advise
[19:43]	DaemonFC	But it's almost always the computer's decision what to do.
[19:43]	TR News	"There is a brief mention that the controller runs the LiteOS kernel for Harmony OS, but no details we can find. The project GitHub has many of the gory details to pore over perhaps a bit light in places but the promise is made to expand that." https://hackaday.com/2022/02/21/dummy-the-robot-arm-is-not-so-dumb/
[19:43]	TR Bot	The Robot Arm Is Not So Dumb | Hackaday
[19:43]	DaemonFC	Automating nearly everything keeps revenue to expense ratio down.
[19:43]	DaemonFC	The IRS claims that it spends 50 cents on every $100 it brings in.
[19:43]	DaemonFC	On administrative costs.
[19:44]	MinceR	"Never send a human to do a machine's job."
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[19:44]	DaemonFC	But their computer system is antiquated.
[19:44]	DaemonFC	Most of the software is written in COBOL and a lot of it dates back to the 1960s and just keeps getting extended.
[19:45]	DaemonFC	They have big contracts with IBM.
[19:45]	DaemonFC	The systems that those programs were designed for aren't in use anymore, but they can emulate those systems.
[19:46]	DaemonFC	The problem here is that when the tax system for a country that has to process almost 160 million tax returns every year is such a mess that spans decades and is written in a language that most people have long abandoned, which is hardly taught anymore....
[19:46]	DaemonFC	You run into trouble.
[19:46]	DaemonFC	If they modernized it with what people are learning now, they'd end up with a bigger problem. They'd be on the hook with contracts with Microsoft, most likely.
[19:47]	DaemonFC	And it's hardly clear that Microsoft will exist in 60 years.
[19:47]	DaemonFC	So at that point, Microsoft is definitely "critical infrastructure". And it would be better to just keep teaching people how to use COBOL than let that happen.
[19:47]	psydroid2	it shouldn't, just like IBM/DR shouldn't exist now
[19:48]	bnchs	i wonder if they can compile the code with gnucobol
[19:48]	psydroid2	I was wondering about that too
[19:48]	psydroid2	was there a problem with GNU Cobol?
[19:49]	TR News	Building a Retro Linux #Gaming Computer - Part 13: Looks Almost Unreal | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/02/building-a-retro-linux-gaming-computer-part-13-looks-almost-unreal/ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 
[19:49]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/02/building-a-retro-linux-gaming-computer-part-13-looks-almost-unreal/
[19:49]	TR Bot	a Retro Linux Gaming Computer - Part 13: Looks Almost Unreal | GamingOnLinux
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[19:54]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161710 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[19:54]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[19:55]	DaemonFC	https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/21/covid-uk-to-roll-out-additional-vaccine-shot-for-over-75s-vulnerable-people.html
[19:55]	TR Bot	 Covid: UK to roll out additional vaccine shot for over 75s, vulnerable people
[19:55]	DaemonFC	Fourth jab of obsolete vaccine.
[19:55]	DaemonFC	Otherwise, just pretend its over.
[19:55]	DaemonFC	Spend money!
[19:55]	TR News	Shilling #proprietarySoftware for sponsors who pay? #gulagtube is a BAD source of info https://yewtu.be/watch?v=s87xFvfeg7Y see http://techrights.org/2022/02/15/youtube-spam-rewarding-junk/
[19:55]	TR Bot	 The BEST OFFICE SUITES for Linux - Invidious
[19:55]	TR Bot	 YouTube is Becoming Mostly SPAM | Techrights
[19:56]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, I was going into Walmart yesterday and they had pallets full of microwaves just like the kind I bought 18 months ago.
[19:56]	DaemonFC	It went up over 20% in 18 months.
[19:56]	TR News	"A Quick overview of #LinuxMint 20.3 "Una"" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=VICkiWuXlsg #gnu #linux
[19:56]	TR Bot	 Linux Mint 20.3 "Una" Quick overview #Shorts - Invidious
[19:56]	DaemonFC	They claim inflation in the last 18 months has been about 10% total.
[19:57]	TR News	#Games: Steam, Feral Interactive, and Building a Retro GNU/Linux Gaming Computer Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161711 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[19:57]	TR Bot	 Games: Steam, Feral Interactive, and Building a Retro GNU/Linux Gaming Computer | Tux Machines
● Feb 21
[20:00]	DaemonFC	https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/19/why-tesla-and-gm-want-to-be-big-in-the-car-insurance-business.html
[20:00]	TR Bot	 Why Tesla and GM want to be big in the car insurance business
[20:01]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, They say they can insure their own cars for less because they spy on the owner so much.
[20:01]	TR News	Calling Snap "Linux" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161587#comment-32875
[20:01]	TR Bot	 Local Privilege Escalation Vulnerability Discovered in snap-confine | Tux Machines
[20:01]	DaemonFC	"The technology uses phone-based technologies like GPS trails to track braking, speeding over 80 mph and driving too fast for road conditions, MacInnis said, as well as the time of day clients drive and amount of driving a customer does. "
[20:02]	TR News	In past 10 days #techrights averaged 4mb/sec over http/s.
[20:02]	DaemonFC	The insurance companies know if you're speeding now, despite whether you ever get caught by the police.
[20:02]	DaemonFC	But they'll increase your rates twice for speeding if the police catch you as well, because they can.
[20:03]	DaemonFC	I wonder if MARISOL is using "personalized insurance" after sinking $1,200 into a radar detector built into her car.
[20:03]	DaemonFC	:)
[20:04]	DaemonFC	MinceR, I found a strofoam container that fits my portable hard drive just right.
[20:04]	MinceR	https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/model-behavior
[20:04]	TR Bot	 Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Model Behavior
[20:04]	TR News	Catastrophic situation at the #EPO persists; somehow, incredibly enough, not a single publisher has written about this (we've checked English- and Dutch-speaking media using several search engines) Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/21/death-of-a-mainframe-in-epo/ #Techrights | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/21/death-of-a-mainframe-in-epo/
[20:04]	DaemonFC	It rattles the table, but this stops it.
[20:04]	TR Bot	 European Patent Office (EPO) Accelerates Outsourcing of Its Operations to the United States of America, Quite Likely in Defiance of GDPR and Basic Common Sense | Techrights
[20:05]	DaemonFC	Since Mandy stupidly crashed my old hard disk, I took the opportunity to upgrade from 2 TB to 4 TB.
[20:05]	DaemonFC	I notice many movies are now being encoded into AV1 with Opus.
[20:05]	TR News	An ode to Mr. #Microsoft Rowan (no connection to Mr. Atkinson) Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/02/21/bean-putting-the-epo-in-the-bin/ #Techrights #epo #europe #corruption | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/02/21/bean-putting-the-epo-in-the-bin/
[20:05]	TR Bot	 Dear Mr. Rowan | Techrights
[20:05]	DaemonFC	It is a noticeable improvement over HEVC. You can get the file size down by about 30%.
[20:06]	DaemonFC	The audio track still sounds as good as 128k AAC at 64k Opus.
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[20:06]	DaemonFC	I was interested in why people still use MPEG-4 ASP codecs.
[20:06]	immibis	i wonder if people like DaemonFC have opinions on the covid protests
[20:07]	DaemonFC	Well, Roy did say that people who get backed into the corner become dangerous.
[20:07]	DaemonFC	Not only do they still not comply, but now they have little to lose.
[20:08]	schestowitz	the passive become active
[20:08]	schestowitz	they are not covid protests afaik, in canada it's against mandates
[20:08]	schestowitz	the media spins that as
[20:08]	schestowitz	1) anti-vaxx
[20:08]	schestowitz	2) far-rightg
[20:08]	MinceR	MPEG-4 Active Server Pages, eh?
[20:08]	schestowitz	3) us-based, sometthing something trump
[20:09]	schestowitz	4) something "Crypto"
[20:09]	schestowitz	we are such good citizens we just vanished
[20:09]	schestowitz	and I walk outside double-masked with a hat IF I do at all
[20:09]	schestowitz	stay out of my way, I stay out of youts
[20:10]	schestowitz	and nobody can tell who I am, not even people who know me :-)
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[20:11]	schestowitz	with covid you get to be the "scalawag" who seeks to avoid detection, except now it's "for health reasons"
[20:11]	schestowitz	and nobody looks at your funny, you're just prudent
[20:13]	DaemonFC	Probably for at least a few more years.
[20:13]	DaemonFC	They want to make it go away by making it hard to get tested now.
[20:13]	DaemonFC	So it "goes away".
[20:14]	DaemonFC	I talked to mom about Walmart ending their 5 day paid COVID leave.
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[20:14]	DaemonFC	She said, "Well, if they test positive, they should just go to work then, with a mask on.".
[20:14]	DaemonFC	What do you do? You can't lose your job.
[20:17]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, Can't test. Don't test.
[20:18]	DaemonFC	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Can't_Cook%2C_Won't_Cook
[20:18]	TR Bot	 Can't Cook, Won't Cook - Wikipedia
[20:21]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, Apparently, Paramount sent a cease and desist letter over the LCARS theme for Mozilla Suite.
[20:21]	DaemonFC	They claimed that they hold a trademark on the style because it was the computer interface portrayed in Star Trek: The Next Generation.
[20:25]	DaemonFC	https://wgntv.com/news/chicago-news/food-giveaway-held-in-parking-lot-of-save-a-lot-in-west-garfield-park/
[20:25]	TR Bot	 Food giveaway held in parking lot of Save-A-Lot in West Garfield Park | WGN-TV
[20:25]	DaemonFC	Mass poverty in Chicago.
[20:25]	DaemonFC	There's no profit in running grocery stores down there.
[20:25]	DaemonFC	So they all leave.
[20:26]	DaemonFC	Margins on groceries are typically thin, even though food prices are expensive.
[20:26]	DaemonFC	If your store is getting robbed and shoplifted from a lot, it can destroy the margin quickly, and thus the reaon for continuing to try to do business there.
[20:27]	DaemonFC	Walmarts grocery margins tend to be between 5 and 15 cents per dollar, and that's largely depending on the brand. The higher margin tends to be on the lower cost store brands.
[20:28]	DaemonFC	They have every reason to want to push their store brands, even though it is a common misconception that they would rather sell the national brands.
[20:28]	DaemonFC	Those national brands don't actually make as much money. They just bring customer traffic.
[20:30]	DaemonFC	But they wonder why no grocery stores want to stay in poor neighborhoods.
[20:30]	DaemonFC	It's impossible to make good margins.
[20:31]	DaemonFC	Aldi had to pay armed security guards, and that was well before COVID. That was when I lived down there.
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[20:32]	DaemonFC	Criminals are definitely using the "masks as normal" thing to better hide themselves, although many aren't smart enough to plan like this.
[20:32]	DaemonFC	schestowitz, If Apple can still tell who you are with a mask on and unlock the phone, I'm sure police cameras can do it too.
[20:33]	DaemonFC	It's not going to be enough to stop them, although it might reduce the accuracy.
[20:46]	DaemonFC	Debian Backports updated to Linux 5.15.15.
[20:46]	DaemonFC	The security update lag is bad because of "Secure Boot".
[20:46]	DaemonFC	It takes about 5-7 more days to get security patches out while waiting on Microsoft to sign the kernel image.
[20:47]	DaemonFC	It's more secure to disable "Secure Boot" and switch to the unsigned kernel so you're running the patched kernel a week sooner.
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[20:47]	mib_jweeir	Microsoft don't sign the Debian kernel images
[20:47]	mib_jweeir	This is absurdly easy to verify
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[20:52]	psydroid2	Microsoft is setting the record straight for all of us!
[20:53]	DaemonFC	The chain of so-called trust starts with Microsoft's third party signing key.
[20:53]	psydroid2	Microsoft <3 Us
[20:53]	DaemonFC	Which is entirely controlled by Microsoft.
[20:53]	psydroid2	Microsoft <3 Linux
[20:53]	psydroid2	Microsoft <3 Azure
[20:54]	DaemonFC	Microsoft can revoke your ability to run a GNU/Linux distribution at their own discretion if you boot Windows at any point after installing your GNU/Linux distribution.
[20:54]	DaemonFC	Windows can update the dbx in the background without asking or warning you.
[20:54]	DaemonFC	Then whatever they've decided to put on the revocation list won't boot anymore.
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[20:55]	mib_2zmpk0	Ok so you admit that Microsoft doesn't sign the Debian kernels
[20:55]	DaemonFC	They've foolishly allowed Microsoft to decide whether it can run or not.
[20:55]	psydroid2	Please send my greetings to Bill and Satya!
[20:55]	DaemonFC	And to hamstring the security update flow.
[20:56]	psydroid2	I don't want Microsoft involved anywhere along the chain
[20:56]	mib_2zmpk0	Does Microsoft sign the Debian kernel this is a simple question
[20:56]	psydroid2	Who cares
[20:56]	DaemonFC	Microsoft has a pretense of allowing people to sign things, but Microsoft can revoke anything they want. If they refuse to sign "shim" or revoke their signature, your computer just won't boot anymore.
[20:57]	mib_2zmpk0	 DaemonFC> It takes about 5-7 more days to get security patches out while waiting on Microsoft to sign the kernel image.
[20:57]	DaemonFC	So the only safe thing to do is pick one GNU/Linux distro and never boot anything else again, especially Windows.
[20:57]	mib_2zmpk0	Is this true
[20:57]	mib_2zmpk0	answer no it is not true
[20:57]	DaemonFC	They have to submit it to Microsoft for their approval.
[20:57]	mib_2zmpk0	no they don't
[20:57]	mib_2zmpk0	it is signed in the Debian build infrastrucutre
[20:57]	DaemonFC	I asked in their IRC channel and was told this is why it takes another week for a signed kernel.
[20:57]	mib_2zmpk0	Microsoft never see it
[20:58]	mib_2zmpk0	microsoft don't sign any gpled software
[20:58]	psydroid2	Is this an alt of mjg59? A Debian developer?
[20:58]	DaemonFC	Probably Mr. Goolag again.
[20:59]	DaemonFC	Pretending that "Secure Boot" is anything but Microsoft all over the place is ridiculous.
[20:59]	psydroid2	Yes
[20:59]	DaemonFC	In theory, you can control it. In fact, they tell OEMs to lock you out.
[20:59]	psydroid2	"Secure Boot" means that you need to give it the boot in a secure fashion
[20:59]	DaemonFC	In new systems with Windows 11, the option to turn it off isn't even guaranteed anymore.
[20:59]	DaemonFC	Windows 11 won't boot without it.
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[21:00]	psydroid2	No such hardware for me then
[21:00]	psydroid2	Nor for my close relatives
[21:00]	psydroid2	Good luck with your "Secure Boot"
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[21:05]	Ariadne	i mean, you can implement "secure boot" with libreboot
[21:06]	psydroid2	I know
[21:07]	psydroid2	it's about retaining full control over such a "secure boot" facility
[21:07]	Ariadne	my problem with UEFI is not the ability to enable enforced codesigning, but rather UEFI itself
[21:08]	Ariadne	you can uninstall microsoft's keys from your UEFI firmware, and use your own local ones to sign kernels
[21:08]	Ariadne	(also, microsoft at most just signs the bootloader)
[21:09]	Ariadne	also, if microsoft revoked debian's bootloader, they would be in big trouble with, among other parties, the US Government, which run Debian derivatives on various servers
[21:10]	Ariadne	this does not mean that i think microsoft having a monopoly on default UEFI trust root is a good thing, it's an absolutely fucked thing
[21:11]	Ariadne	anyway, there are plenty of arguments to be made about the Microsoft UEFI Signing CA
[21:11]	Ariadne	but the ones DaemonFC are making aren't winners
[21:11]	MinceR	just signing the bootloader is handy for replacing the kernel, which is handy for MICROS~1 to claim/construct a reason to revoke the signature
[21:11]	XFaCE	CAs are dumb.
[21:11]	MinceR	PKI is dumb
[21:12]	XFaCE	CA is dumber.
[21:12]	MinceR	and so is the "well, if the special people signed it, it must be perfect" paradigm for IT "security"
[21:12]	XFaCE	That is a very astute way of putting it
[21:12]	XFaCE	I'm copying that explanation
[21:13]	Ariadne	the way alpine does it is that the alpine installer uninstalls microsoft's keys
[21:13]	Ariadne	and installs locally controlled on-device ones
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[21:13]	MinceR	:)
[21:13]	XFaCE	Right ok, can the installer script steps be easily run independent of distro?
[21:13]	Ariadne	but we have not asked microsoft to sign our bootloader, as we do not care :)
[21:14]	Ariadne	XFaCE: i mean, not really?  how distros distribute kernels are kinda distro-specific
[21:14]	XFaCE	Are we talking about an installer script that runs... two real commands in between a lot of TUI glue?
[21:14]	Ariadne	the alpine implementation is designed for alpine
[21:14]	Ariadne	no
[21:14]		*psydroid2 has problems with all closed source system firmware
[21:14]	Ariadne	psydroid2: so does CISA
[21:14]	XFaCE	So Alpine Linux has specific tools for secure boot modification that haven't been ported?
[21:15]	XFaCE	to any other distro?
[21:15]	XFaCE	Please elaborate on Alpine-specific
[21:15]	Ariadne	i mean, the underlying tools are FOSS
[21:15]	Ariadne	i'm talking about the glue that makes it so that `apk upgrade` gives you a nice fresh locally signed kernel
[21:15]	XFaCE	What about locally built kernels?
[21:16]	Ariadne	if you build them as APKs, then the integration still works :P
[21:16]	XFaCE	The Alpine wiki even recommends custom kernels for various additional kernel security settings such as modules
[21:16]	Ariadne	if you build them by hand, well, look at the scripts
[21:16]	XFaCE	The APK scripts?
[21:16]	XFaCE	or the installer scripts?
[21:17]	Ariadne	https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/tree/main/secureboot-hook/secureboot.hook
[21:17]	TR Bot	 secureboot.hook\secureboot-hook\main - aports - Alpine packages build scripts
[21:17]	XFaCE	what is a .hook?
[21:18]	XFaCE	Apparent from the face value
[21:18]	AdmFubar	https://arstechnica.com/?p=1835209
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[21:18]	XFaCE	is that just for clarification so it is distinguished from other scripts?
[21:19]	Ariadne	https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/tree/main/kernel-hooks/kernel-hooks.trigger
[21:19]	TR Bot	 kernel-hooks.trigger\kernel-hooks\main - aports - Alpine packages build scripts
[21:20]	Ariadne	https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/UEFI_Secure_Boot outlines how the system works at 10000'
[21:20]	TR Bot	 UEFI Secure Boot - Alpine Linux
[21:20]	XFaCE	10000'?
[21:20]	Ariadne	we yeet microsoft key, replace with locally generated key
[21:20]	XFaCE	10000 what?
[21:20]	Ariadne	10000 feet
[21:21]	XFaCE	Oh right, American
[21:22]	Ariadne	its the only way to do any of this securely on UEFI
[21:22]	Ariadne	other platforms have far more reasonable approach
[21:22]	XFaCE	So the impression I'm getting here is that without Alpine's glue doing this yourself is painful
[21:23]	Ariadne	i mean, it is not too bad
[21:23]	XFaCE	Which means basically if you like any other distro you're out of luck or stuck with a corporate solution
[21:23]	Ariadne	but UEFI makes everything complex
[21:23]	XFaCE	well the hook script calls another script that is Alpine specific written by Jakob whatever
[21:23]	XFaCE	-c "$cmdline" \
[21:23]	XFaCE	-s "$splash_image" \
[21:23]	XFaCE	-o "$tmpdir"/unsigned.efi \
[21:23]	XFaCE	"$vmlinuz" $microcode "$tmpdir"/initramfs
[21:23]	Ariadne	other platforms, they just shove the hash of the kernel image in an efuse
[21:23]	Ariadne	and call it a day
[21:24]	XFaCE	what's an efuse? Some FUSE for the EFI partition?
[21:24]	Ariadne	an efuse is a chip
[21:24]	Ariadne	that contains a small amount of data
[21:24]	XFaCE	So like a fuse that trips?
[21:25]	XFaCE	or is it wholly unrelated to those fuses?
[21:25]	Ariadne	its kinda like that
[21:25]	Ariadne	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efuse
[21:25]	TR Bot	 Efuse - Wikipedia
[21:25]	XFaCE	"In computing, an eFuse (electronic fuse) is a microscopic fuse put into a computer chip. This technology was invented by IBM to allow for the dynamic real-time reprogramming of chips. In the abstract, computer logic is generally "etched" or "hard-wired" onto a chip and cannot be changed after the chip has finished being manufactured. By utilizing a set of eFuses, a chip manufacturer can allow for the circuits on a chip to change while it is in 
[21:25]	XFaCE	operation"
[21:26]	Ariadne	anyway, point is
[21:26]	Ariadne	other platforms
[21:26]	XFaCE	OK, I guess what I'm getting to is this
[21:26]	Ariadne	they just store a hash of whatever is supposed to be booting
[21:26]	Ariadne	in secure world
[21:26]	Ariadne	usually an efuse
[21:26]	XFaCE	For other distros, is the option basically having to port all this Alpine work over?
[21:27]	Ariadne	yeah
[21:27]	Ariadne	if you want to do it right
[21:28]	XFaCE	How would you rate say this process? https://www.funtoo.org/Secure_Boot
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[21:28]	MinceR	what happens when you upgrade the kernel?
[21:28]	XFaCE	It's a kind of magic
[21:28]	MinceR	bricking isn't really magic :>
[21:29]	Ariadne	signing grub is an option, but it kinda defeats the point
[21:29]	XFaCE	what point?
[21:29]	Ariadne	the point is that you do not want an unauthorized (by you) kernel to boot on the machine
[21:29]	Ariadne	so, the only way to do this sanely
[21:29]	Ariadne	is to sign the kernel itself
[21:30]	Ariadne	and run it directly as a UEFI application
[21:30]	Ariadne	e.g. no bootloader
[21:30]	XFaCE	Ok, it sounds then those Funtoo instructions are fine up until the point of mentioning GRUB
[21:30]	MinceR	i prefer getting rid of the illusion that you can have IT security without physical security
[21:30]	XFaCE	MinceR: go back to those case keys?
[21:31]	XFaCE	:>
[21:31]	Ariadne	MinceR: well, thats the point, the idea is that the signing keys (controlled by you) are physically located away from the machine, except when it is being upgraded :)
[21:31]	XFaCE	physically located on what? a USB key?
[21:31]	MinceR	it's not like i can change the contents of the efuse to the next hash anyway
[21:31]	MinceR	right? :>
[21:31]	Ariadne	yes, like a yubikey or some other FIDO device
[21:31]	Ariadne	MinceR: generally speaking, not without physical access
[21:32]	XFaCE	Of course for the home user such a device can become corrupted because of carelessness
[21:32]	XFaCE	I guess that's why there's always backups
[21:32]	Ariadne	for example in Octeon machines, you have to enroll the new hash in the u-boot console itself
[21:32]	Ariadne	with the Apple M1, you have to go into system recovery mode to enroll the new hash
[21:32]	Ariadne	both of which require physical access
[21:32]	XFaCE	Who is the target audience here?
[21:33]	Ariadne	for secure boot?
[21:33]	Ariadne	mostly enterprise
[21:33]	XFaCE	For Alpine's implementation of secure boot?
[21:33]	Ariadne	paranoid people
[21:33]	Ariadne	and... enterprise
[21:34]	XFaCE	Do you think people who don't do this are careless?
[21:34]	Ariadne	depends
[21:34]	Ariadne	do i think that grandma not doing this is careless? no
[21:34]	XFaCE	Ok, say Brodie Robertson doesn't
[21:35]	Ariadne	do i think that people managing systems that are processing highly sensitive data (classified materials, personal information, credit cards, etc) not doing this are careless? absolutely
[21:36]	XFaCE	I would argue that everyone's private data (aka what they store without intent to share by default) is sensitive
[21:36]	immibis	schestowitz: they have no idea what the protest is about except they are all angry about covid
[21:36]	Ariadne	sure, i'm not saying this isn't a best practice for those patient to do it
[21:36]	XFaCE	I mean, the thinking it is less important is what lead to consumer level garbage SSDs and ECC-less ram
[21:36]	immibis	there was an attempted murder in the NZ one a few hours ago, like, driving a car into a crowd of people, which is an actual terrorist attack
[21:36]	Ariadne	i'm just saying that if brodie robertson does not wish to do it
[21:36]	Ariadne	who cares
[21:36]	psydroid2	is there an official writeup for the way Alpine does this?
[21:37]	Ariadne	psydroid2: not yet, it will be in handbook tho
[21:37]	MinceR	it also led to systems that prioritize the interests of megacorporations, states and sociopaths over the interests of users and computer owners
[21:37]	XFaCE	Ariadne: Every person that doesn't do it is another vulnerability in today's interconnected world
[21:37]	MinceR	"you're not important enough to be worth selling a PC without hardware backdoors"
[21:37]	XFaCE	It's why OpenBSD gives OpenSSH away to as many people as possible
[21:37]	psydroid2	Ariadne, that sounds good, I think it will do a lot for people to employ good practices when it comes to actual security
[21:37]	XFaCE	To raise the overall security of everything
[21:37]	XFaCE	<@MinceR> "you're not important enough to be worth selling a PC without hardware backdoors"
[21:38]	XFaCE	exactly
[21:38]	Ariadne	MinceR: i mean, the backdoor is the microsoft UEFI Signing CA (for various reasons)
[21:38]	MinceR	there are so many backdoors
[21:38]	XFaCE	And I find it leads to two outcomes, people who are educated to be careless and don't learn to do proper diligence
[21:39]	XFaCE	Or people who want to learn but basically are bombarded with so much obfuscated crap and not enough time to absorb knowledge that the end result is being discouraged and depressed
[21:39]	MinceR	there's the MICROS~1 key(s) in UEFI, there's ME/PSP, there's intel boot guard, and there's the preinstalled windows, systemd or macOS
[21:39]	XFaCE	And told by "betters" that "well you don't really matter anyway so don't worry about it"
[21:39]	MinceR	s,PSP,PSP/TZ/ThreadX,
[21:40]	MinceR	oh, and on crApple, also the "security" chip they used to lock out real OS-es
[21:40]	Ariadne	the T2 does not lock out the use of linux lol
[21:40]	MinceR	at this moment it doesn't? that's great.
[21:40]	Ariadne	the issue was that linux did not have drivers for the T2 chip
[21:40]	Ariadne	it does now
[21:40]	MinceR	the issue is always with Linux
[21:41]	Ariadne	i mean, yes?
[21:41]	Ariadne	new types of hardware require new drivers
[21:41]	Ariadne	film at 11
[21:41]	MinceR	hw designers/manufacturers don't want your suffering to end, film at 11
[21:42]	MinceR	also, crApple and their ilk doesn't like competing in the desktop OS market
[21:42]	Ariadne	though i think the T2 chip is kind of a stupid way to do it
[21:42]	XFaCE	Of course those drivers are contingent on diligent reliably maintainers
[21:42]	XFaCE	*s/y/e
[21:42]	Ariadne	they could have just implemented a PCIe hub which blocked access to certain device endpoints
[21:42]	MinceR	it's much easier to lock competitors out than spending money on hiring engineers who know what they're doing and having them develop software that's actually worth using
[21:42]	MinceR	especially since people still somehow manage to claim that we have a "market economy" and a "free market"
[21:43]	XFaCE	MinceR: We're very agile now.
[21:43]	XFaCE	So agile.
[21:43]	MinceR	lol
[21:43]	Ariadne	or just hardware kill switches
[21:43]	XFaCE	Our release numbers have never been higher.
[21:43]	MinceR	as in "we hold a 1h 'standup' meeting every workday"?
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[21:44]	Ariadne	MinceR: anyway, the linux problem was that apple implemented their own NVMe controller, as part of the T2 SoC
[21:44]	MinceR	sounds like the lenovo debacle
[21:44]	XFaCE	"the" lenovo debacle?
[21:45]	Ariadne	the good news is that the M1 SoC uses the same NVMe :)
[21:45]	MinceR	i mean the one where they locked Linux out of certain ideapads
[21:45]	Ariadne	hardware evolves
[21:45]	MinceR	with a controller that allegedly did RAID with an array consisting of a single SSD
[21:45]	MinceR	it certainlydoes
[21:45]	MinceR	s/yd/y d/
[21:45]	XFaCE	The bad news is that it will take months yet to actually use Linux on M1, and progress can be undone with Apple cat/mouse game
[21:45]	MinceR	we used to get hardware specs with our machines a long time ago
[21:45]	Ariadne	do i think hardware manufacturers should work to Linux developers to get pre-release hardware in their hands?  yes
[21:45]	psydroid2	so the T2 was made to work because of work done on M1?
[21:45]	XFaCE	It'll basically be the hackintosh experience in reverse
[21:46]	Ariadne	psydroid2: no
[21:46]	MinceR	we used to have hardware we could trust
[21:46]	XFaCE	MinceR: not sure about that
[21:46]	XFaCE	unless you mean... a flashlight
[21:46]	Ariadne	psydroid2: i mean, its kinda fuzzy
[21:46]	Ariadne	psydroid2: in some ways, yes
[21:46]	MinceR	now we have backdoors in backdoors on top of backdoors doing MICROS~1's, crApple's and dehomag's bidding and we get to pay for the electricity and the Internet access
[21:46]	Ariadne	but in other ways, T2 enablement helped M1 enablement
[21:46]	psydroid2	I get what you're saying
[21:46]	psydroid2	they've been improving in tandem
[21:47]	MinceR	XFaCE: there used to be personal computers that were too simple and stupid to betray the user
[21:47]	Ariadne	many of the building blocks are the same
[21:47]	XFaCE	Ah, we're talking Altair here
[21:47]	XFaCE	and graphic calculators
[21:47]	Ariadne	anyway, T2 chip happened because Apple wanted to yeet the Intel PCH chip
[21:47]	psydroid2	it's just that I don't have time to watch all of marcan's videos
[21:48]	XFaCE	And we haven't even gotten to the T2 chip hardware maintainance, see Rossmann
[21:48]	psydroid2	or keep track of what they're discussing in the various Asahi channels
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[21:48]	Ariadne	XFaCE: the encrypted NAND feature is not new to T2, Apple has had that since the first generation retina laptops
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[21:49]	MinceR	what good is disk encryption if the key is known to some random device the user can't trust?
[21:50]	Ariadne	dunno, it is rather dependent on trust model :)
[21:50]	XFaCE	<Ariadne> XFaCE: the encrypted NAND feature is not new to T2, Apple has had that since the first generation retina laptops
[21:50]	XFaCE	Not sure how that relates to what I said.
[21:50]	Ariadne	XFaCE: there is no "new" maintenance requirement to repair a T2 macbook
[21:50]	XFaCE	Yes that is a source of issues that Rossmann has covered, but the T2 chip overall has other maintainability issues
[21:51]	XFaCE	Sure I wouldn't say they are new, I would say they are obvious
[21:51]	Ariadne	the issue is that apple put the NAND directly on the motherboard
[21:51]	Ariadne	e.g. no more M.2
[21:52]	MinceR	https://de.catbox.moe/5luicn.png
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[21:52]	MinceR	that is indeed an issue
[21:52]	MinceR	especially when the NAND breaks
[21:52]	Ariadne	or the motherboard breaks
[21:52]	Ariadne	and you need your data
[21:52]	XFaCE	soldered anything is a liability at some degree
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[21:53]	Ariadne	pretty much
[21:53]	Ariadne	the only "big deal" thing about the T2 is that they replaced Intel southbridge with their own
[21:53]	Ariadne	which required new drivers for linux and windows
[21:54]	XFaCE	It also could transform into liquid metal and shapeshift
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[21:54]	MinceR	lol
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[21:54]	MinceR	that's the T-1000
[21:54]	XFaCE	Yes the joke was a stretch but it had to be told.
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[21:54]	Ariadne	i mean, i don't like any of these things
[21:54]	Ariadne	maybe risc-v will go somewhere
[21:55]	MinceR	yeah, down the drain
[21:55]	Ariadne	if they can figure out the microarch patents issue
[21:55]	MinceR	intel already has their filthy tentacles in it
[21:55]	XFaCE	You don't like the ability to shapeshift into liquid metal?
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[21:55]	Ariadne	MinceR: imagination before them
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[21:55]	MinceR	also sad
[21:55]	Ariadne	MinceR: imgtec literally announced they intend to sue risc-v implementors who do not license their patents ^_^
[21:56]	Ariadne	sifive have some patents too
[21:56]	Ariadne	"open ISA", but if you implement a chip
[21:56]	Ariadne	you'll get sued
[21:56]	Ariadne	if you're a serious player
[21:56]	MinceR	classy
[21:56]	XFaCE	"IBM POWER is our last hope" - Obi-Wan
[21:57]	MinceR	lol
[21:57]		*psydroid2 moves to the north pole with his chips
[21:57]	MinceR	my last hope are FPGA developer boards
[21:57]	psydroid2	sue me!
[21:57]	XFaCE	psydroid2: Lays? Fritos? Tostitos?
[21:57]	psydroid2	XFaCE, all of those
[21:58]	psydroid2	I want to spread the risk
[21:58]	MinceR	lol
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[22:22]	TR News	A decade ago you could still call #crn #journalism but nowadays it reads and feels more like spam or #webspam https://www.channelweb.co.uk/news/4045271/cisco-thousandeyes-moves-100-channel-model
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[22:22]	TR Bot	 Cisco's ThousandEyes moves to 100% channel model
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[22:22]	TR News	#PostgreSQL : #Pgpool-II 4.3.1, 4.2.8, 4.1.11, 4.0.18 and 3.7.23 released. Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161718 #psql #TuxMachines
[22:22]	TR Bot	 PostgreSQL: Pgpool-II 4.3.1, 4.2.8, 4.1.11, 4.0.18 and 3.7.23 released. | Tux Machines
[22:26]	TR News	Why Did #Mastodon Threaten to Sue Truth Social? https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/what-is-truth-social-donald-trumps-social-network-explained #agpl #gpl #freesw
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[22:26]	TR Bot	Is Truth Social? All You Need to Know About Donald Trump's Social Network | PCMag
[22:27]	TR News	2018: "Every non-free program is an injustice": Richard Stallman on the Free Software Movement https://conversations.e-flux.com/t/every-non-free-program-is-an-injustice-richard-stallman-on-the-free-software-movement/8474
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[22:28]	TR Bot	 "Every non-free program is an injustice": Richard Stallman on the Free Software Movement - Frontpage - e-flux conversations
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[22:29]	MinceR	https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/meta
[22:29]	TR Bot	 Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Meta
[22:30]	TR News	"Learn the steps to install KDE (Kwrite) Kate Text Editor on Ubuntu 22.04 Jammy JellyFish or Ubuntu 20.04 LTS Focal Fossa using the command terminal." Great editor, my longtime favourite. https://www.how2shout.com/linux/3-ways-to-install-kde-kate-text-editor-on-ubuntu-22-04-20-04-lts/
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[22:30]	TR Bot	 3 Ways to Install KDE Kate Text Editor on Ubuntu 22.04 | 20.04 LTS
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[22:32]	TR News	"DeVuan Davenport" https://www.panews.com/2022/02/02/follow-live-local-athletes-commit-on-national-signing-day/ haha, #devuan as a person's name. #gnu #linux
[22:32]	TR Bot	 FOLLOW LIVE Local athletes commit on National Signing Day - Port Arthur News | Port Arthur News
[22:35]	AdmFubar	https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/02/worst-timeline-printer-company-putting-drm-paper-now
[22:35]	TR Bot	 The Worst Timeline: A Printer Company Is Putting DRM in Paper Now | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[22:44]	TR News	"Kali Linux is a software for penteration testing, and is not an operating system like linux is. Kali Linux, Kali Linux is a Debian-derived Linux distribution designed for digital forensics and penetration testing." https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/768939/new-to-linux-help/
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[22:44]	TR Bot	 New to linux... Help! - Linux & Unix
[22:45]	TR News	"Put simply, a bug subsequently dubbed #Y2K22 (named in the style of the Y2K bug that spooked the world starting about a quarter century ago) caused the software to be unable to handle the date format for the year 2022. #Microsoft s fix? Set the date on malware detection updates back to the fictional December 33rd, 2021" https://www.welivesecurity.com/2022/02/21/integer-overflow-how-it-occur-can-be-prevented/
[22:45]	TR Bot	overflow: How does it occur and how can it be prevented? | WeLiveSecurity
[22:48]	TR News	Pushing people to waste time on a scam, or #facebook artificial hype designed to distract from a Facebook crisis https://qz.com/emails/quartz-forecast/2130288/
[22:48]	TR Bot	 How companies can get started in the metaverse The Forecast Quartz
[22:48]	AdmFubar	https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/windows-moving-away.html
[22:48]	TR Bot	 Moving away from Windows - It begins
[22:49]	XRevan86	Russian troops entered DPR/LPR
[22:50]	XRevan86	i.e. Russia invaded Ukraine
[22:50]	schestowitz-TR	so now bloomberg can press "Publish"
[22:50]	XRevan86	yea
[22:50]	schestowitz-TR	AdmFubar: at long last, no more Windows articles from him
[22:51]	psydroid8	just now?
[22:52]	psydroid8	also moving away from Windows now instead of 20 years ago
[22:52]	AdmFubar	well... starting in 2025. then no more from him
[22:52]	schestowitz-TR	psydroid8: no, he used a mix
[22:52]	psydroid8	they need to be whipped so often that they start bleeding before they get the message?
[22:53]	schestowitz-TR	so he wrote articles about both gnu/linux and windows
[22:53]	schestowitz-TR	when I saw the headlne this morning I told rianne,
[22:53]	schestowitz-TR	oh, I know what happened
[22:53]	schestowitz-TR	microsoft wants people to create an account to use windows
[22:53]	schestowitz-TR	and then it turns out that indeed he abandons it for good, for this reason...
[22:53]	psydroid8	schestowitz-TR, I get that, but I just keep windows stuff to myself
[22:54]	psydroid8	I see no need to put more of that into the world
[22:54]	psydroid8	a bit of a lousy reason
[22:55]	psydroid8	but he did it at least
[22:55]	AdmFubar	he is in the process of doing it
[22:56]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: he will come to liberate budapest next
[22:57]	MinceR	lol
[22:57]	psydroid8	also the longer you use it the more you develop workflows that have the potential of tying you to that environment
[22:57]	psydroid8	I left at windows 2000
[22:57]	schestowitz-TR	me 98
[22:58]	schestowitz-TR	i mean me as in me, 
[22:58]	psydroid8	because 95 and 98 were total crap
[22:58]	schestowitz-TR	not M.E.
[22:58]	schestowitz-TR	the laptop came with win98
[22:58]	schestowitz-TR	i put dsl on it later
[22:58]	psydroid8	and I needed some time to learn the ins and outs of GNU/Linux
[22:58]	schestowitz-TR	it took about 3 minutes to boot win98 on it
[22:58]	schestowitz-TR	32 mb of ram
[22:58]	psydroid8	before I could move everyone at hone over
[22:59]	psydroid8	home*
● Feb 21
[23:00]	psydroid8	my windows 95 died within 3 hours
[23:00]	TR News	Melania Putin dislikes "politics" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/18/us/politics/melania-trump-charity-donation.html
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[23:00]	TR Bot	 Charitable Offer by Melania Trump Is Rejected, a Move She Calls Politics - The New York Times
[23:00]	MinceR	(cat) https://imgur.com/t/cats/yxtV6HW
[23:00]	TR Bot	on my phone - Album on Imgur
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[23:03]	schestowitz-TR	XRevan86: url/s?
[23:03]	psydroid8	so he's going to need 3 more years to move his workflows away from vista 10
[23:03]	schestowitz-TR	maybe they fake it being what it was in crimea
[23:03]	psydroid8	it's amazing
[23:03]	schestowitz-TR	'referendum'
[23:04]	schestowitz-TR	psydroid8: he says 3 years?
[23:04]	schestowitz-TR	he could use wine
[23:04]	psydroid8	october 2025 when vista 10 goes eol
[23:04]	XRevan86	schestowitz: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=https://theins.ru/news/248748
[23:04]	TR Bot	 
[23:04]	psydroid8	supposedly
[23:05]	TR News	#apple stuff is NOT a gift... except for #nsa and other creeps https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/airtags-are-being-linked-to-stalking-and-its-a-problem-apple-cant-solve-alone/
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[23:05]	TR Bot	Are Linked to Stalking, and Apple Can't Solve This Problem Alone - CNET
[23:06]	TR News	Humans eradicate #Wildlife / #Nature https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/19/us/bald-eagles-lead-poisoning-study.html
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[23:06]	TR Bot	 After Mounting a Comeback, Eagles Face a New Threat - The New York Times
[23:07]	TR News	#freepressjournal trying to legitimise the #gartner #fraud https://www.freepressjournal.in/business/top-10-government-technology-trends-for-2022-gartner #gartnergroup = scam, paid-for #lobbying http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group
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[23:07]	TR Bot	 Top 10 government technology trends for 2022: Gartner
[23:07]	TR Bot	 Gartner Group - Techrights
[23:10]	schestowitz-TR	psydroid8: maybe he just doesn't delete what's in therer
[23:10]	schestowitz-TR	leaving it to rot until it does
[23:11]	TR News	#OBSStudio 27.2.1 Improves Camera Support and PipeWire Capture on Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161719 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[23:11]	TR Bot	 OBS Studio 27.2.1 Improves Camera Support and PipeWire Capture on Linux | Tux Machines
[23:11]	schestowitz-TR	I can relate to it
[23:11]	psydroid8	I have vista 10 and 11 vms
[23:11]	schestowitz-TR	it's common to not eradicate what takes no effort to merely not delete
[23:11]	schestowitz-TR	even if you do not use it
[23:11]	schestowitz-TR	like dual-booting only into one side
[23:11]	psydroid8	I have one directory shared with the vms
[23:12]	schestowitz-TR	without deleting the other, just ignoring it
[23:12]	schestowitz-TR	many people who buy new PCs for gnu/linux do it like that
[23:12]	psydroid8	whatever isn't needed gets moved from that directory 
[23:12]	psydroid8	nothing gets saved in the vm
[23:12]	psydroid8	easy peasy
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[23:12]	schestowitz-TR	I still has suse for 1-2 years after boycott novell started
[23:12]	schestowitz-TR	on one old computer
[23:13]	schestowitz-TR	not the main pc
[23:13]	schestowitz-TR	but it still ran there ok with kde
[23:13]	psydroid8	I had vista 10 installed for warranty purposes until august 2020
[23:14]	psydroid8	then I got a new SSD and put it in a vm
[23:14]	schestowitz-TR	unless you boot into it microsoft does not even know if it was wiped or not
[23:14]	TR News	Is #Huawei already testing #HarmonyOS 3.0 for smartphones? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/161720 # #TuxMachines
[23:14]	TR Bot	 Is Huawei already testing HarmonyOS 3.0 for smartphones? | Tux Machines
[23:16]	psydroid8	I wonder if microsoft sees and collects data on people who stop booting into vista
[23:17]	TR News	"Britain believes there are figures within Russian military and security services who have serious doubts about invading Ukraine as the Kremlin continues to move more troops within 50km of the border." gemini://guardian.shit.cx/uk-news/world/2022/feb/21/uk-says-serious-doubts-exist-within-russian-military-about-invading-ukraine/index.gmi
[23:17]	psydroid8	so they know when to push for a new hardware cycle
[23:19]	TR News	#walmart #uk #revolt #greed " #Asda is facing potential disruption to supermarket deliveries after thousands of lorry drivers, warehouse staff and clerical workers voted to reject a pay offer." gemini://guardian.shit.cx/uk-news/business/2022/feb/21/thousands-of-asda-lorry-drivers-ready-to-strike-after-rejecting-pay-deal/index.gmi
[23:21]	TR News	Western regimes: we need to send inflation sky-high and tax people even more. Meanwhile, those who don't pay tax are stacking up their loot. 10 years ago: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-offshore-wealth-idUSBRE86L03U20120722
[23:21]	TR Bot	rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens | Reuters
[23:22]	TR News	"I have spent the last week or so trying to clean up some of my #GitLab projects, including my 'shell-color-scripts' program. If you're not familiar with 'shell-color-scripts', it is the program that gives me a random color script every time I open a terminal." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=hoVR5CJ_eAM
[23:22]	TR Bot	 Trick Out Your Terminal With Shell Color Scripts - Invidious
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[23:26]	TR News	Added US national debt. Trump year 1: a trillion bucks. Trump year 2: a trillion bucks. Trump year 3: 2 trillion bucks. Trump year 4: 4 trillion bucks Biden year 1: 2 trillion bucks. Adding up to OVER $10,000,000,000,000 in just 5 years.
[23:29]	TR News	dollars
[23:29]	TR News	#covid19 lockdowns started about 24 months ago in Western nations. The crisis is not over and US piled up about 8 trillion dollars in debt since COVID-19 broke out. That's $25,000 per citizen or $100,000 per family of 4. In just over 2 years! https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt
[23:29]	TR Bot	 United States Government Debt - January 2022 Data - 1942-2021 Historical
[23:31]	TR News	#putin knows he can afford to invade countries because the only country with military power that can antagonise it is far too busy with its own crises and it doesn't truly care about #ukraine (empty rhetoric and aging NATO promises)
[23:33]	TR News	#eu meanwhile flexing muscles over #patents because it lost leadership and doesn't know how to regain it. Here, the language is full of BS and it seems EU is speaking the language of (e.g. misuse of words like "rights") https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_22_1103
[23:33]	Alternative link	Cloudflare: europa.eu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_22_1103
[23:33]	TR Bot	 Press corner | European Commission
[23:33]	MinceR	https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/omission
[23:33]	TR Bot	 Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Omission
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[23:35]	TR News	#eu goal is to 'compete' with China by essentially banning things (US modus operandi)i.e. similar to how NATO deals with Russia; it seems like a sign of waning dominance, blackmailing countries to not be "mates" with Chinese companies as was done in #iran when #orangenazi kidnapped an official in a Canadian airport
[23:36]	TR News	She will not struggle to find a hospital bed https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/britain-lift-covid-restrictions-queen-tests-positive-elizabeth-corona-rcna17039
[23:36]	TR Bot	 Boris Johnson lifts all Covid restrictions in England as queen tests positive
[23:40]	TR News	Today, USA is number one at 960k #covid19 -linked deaths. Coronavirus cases at over 80 million already and unlike civilised countries such infections can leave all/many of these people with massive medical bills (debt which cannot be repaid; homes remortgaged and bankruptcies). They have far more pressing issues than the eastern border of #russia (which #putin cannot recognise)
[23:41]	TR News	"The point is that the "malware" in question are things placed onto exploitable "closed" IoT old and unpatched versions of Linux hanging out there." http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/36782/
[23:41]	TR Bot	Loathing the way this is presented, close to misinformation: New year brings bad news for Linux as 2021 saw up to 10 times more malware samples
[23:48]	TR News	Most of these are #malware / #spyware 'sold' to you as "information" https://www.maketecheasier.com/best-weather-apps-android/
[23:48]	TR Bot	 10 of the Best Weather Apps for Android and iPhone - Make Tech Easier
[23:49]	TR News	Can movies help save the world's dying languages? New wave of Indigenous films share untold stories https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/2022/02/20/filmmakers-put-indigenous-languages-focus-aid-preservation-efforts/6804301001/
[23:49]	TR Bot	 Filmmakers put Indigenous languages in focus, aid preservation efforts