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| schestowitz__ | zoobab: | Mar 21 05:43 |
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| schestowitz__ | >>>> See update at top | Mar 21 05:43 |
| schestowitz__ | >>>> | Mar 21 05:43 |
| schestowitz__ | >>>> http://techrights.org/2020/03/19/bundesverfassungsgericht-upc-decision/ | Mar 21 05:43 |
| schestowitz__ | >>> Yes! Thanks for the work you've been putting in over the years on this. | Mar 21 05:43 |
| schestowitz__ | >>> Let's make sure it is acknowledged dead by its proponents and that it | Mar 21 05:43 |
| schestowitz__ | >>> stays dead. | Mar 21 05:43 |
| schestowitz__ | >> I will be collecting responses without surrendering to the temptation to | Mar 21 05:43 |
| schestowitz__ | >> do a Nelson's (Simpsons) "HAHA!" | Mar 21 05:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Germany’s FCC and Its Decision on UPC May Not Matter Much Anymore (and the Government in Berlin Knows That) (Updated) | Techrights | Mar 21 05:43 | |
| schestowitz__ | >> | Mar 21 05:43 |
| schestowitz__ | > Agreed. It is important to drive home why this victory over the UPC is | Mar 21 05:43 |
| schestowitz__ | > a good thing for European business and Europe in general. | Mar 21 05:43 |
| schestowitz__ | I will write about it in the weekend. First I want to survey the latest wave of disinfo from Team UPC... | Mar 21 05:43 |
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| kingoffrance | hello, i just found the website, wow. i had mostly always been a bsd user, but yes, freenode itself is so corporatey nowadays :/ anyways, i hadnt heard of linux.com stuff or the rms thing, but nice to read the site; i thought all the non-corporatists were dead :/ i'm grinning in delight, i didnt know this place existed anymore! | Mar 21 06:54 |
| kingoffrance | thats the worst thing IMO -- people who havent been around, everything will seem "normal" they never saw any world before all this stuff | Mar 21 06:55 |
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| roy-on-ted-box | hi kingoffrance | Mar 21 07:18 |
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| schestowitz__ | they keep telling us "Open Source won" | Mar 21 07:19 |
| schestowitz__ | What they mean to say is, proprietary giants own over (hijacked) the Free software movement and things remain as always before | Mar 21 07:19 |
| kingoffrance | yup | Mar 21 07:20 |
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| oiaohm | open source won does not equal freedom won. | Mar 21 08:24 |
| roy-on-ted-box | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbTXb6bEMfI | Mar 21 08:30 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz__: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_software Open Source Initiative was always split from the free software foundation. Lot of ways Open Source Initiative was always interested in commercial off the start lines so I would not say hijacked as it never was really about free software movement. | Mar 21 08:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Open-source software - Wikipedia | Mar 21 08:33 | |
| kingoffrance | yeah, i agree, reading quote from esr on lunduke's site i see: "These people are an utter disgrace to the ideals on which I founded OSI.” i.e. looks like looks like even OSI has been "co-opted" | Mar 21 08:50 |
| kingoffrance | well, they say that because to those types FOSS == there is no free software without "open source" (in some people's minds) | Mar 21 08:50 |
| kingoffrance | i would say that is a deliberate tactic -- and i've never been a strong FS supporter, but even can spot such | Mar 21 08:51 |
| kingoffrance | s/even/even I/ | Mar 21 08:51 |
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| kingoffrance | thats exactly what i mean by "people who havent been around" :/ | Mar 21 08:51 |
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| oiaohm | kingoffrance: " In 1998, a group of individuals advocated that the term free software should be replaced by open-source software (OSS) as an expression which is less ambiguous[11][12][13] and more comfortable for the corporate world." that from the wikipedia and it cited. | Mar 21 08:58 |
| kingoffrance | yup, when i point that out in many channels, its like some people never heard of that! | Mar 21 08:58 |
| oiaohm | basically open-source software idea was about having name that was company friendly. | Mar 21 08:58 |
| oiaohm | and ideas that were company friendly. | Mar 21 08:59 |
| oiaohm | Yes we got big large companies. | Mar 21 08:59 |
| kingoffrance | like i said, i was never strong FS supporter, but i lurked back then | Mar 21 08:59 |
| kingoffrance | to have people on freenode who dont know that nowadays is mind-blowing to me | Mar 21 09:00 |
| oiaohm | With open source we have got what we asked for. | Mar 21 09:00 |
| kingoffrance | yup :/ | Mar 21 09:00 |
| oiaohm | Hard reality we have still not worked how to fund software development properly. | Mar 21 09:01 |
| roy-on-ted-box | [09:00] <oiaohm> With open source we have got what we asked for. | Mar 21 09:01 |
| roy-on-ted-box | they banned their own founder | Mar 21 09:01 |
| roy-on-ted-box | OSI did not accomplish its goals | Mar 21 09:01 |
| roy-on-ted-box | one cofounder left in PROTECT in January | Mar 21 09:01 |
| roy-on-ted-box | A month later they banned the other cofounder | Mar 21 09:01 |
| oiaohm | But the founder started countering the early ideas he laid down. | Mar 21 09:02 |
| oiaohm | Be careful what you ask for. | Mar 21 09:02 |
| roy-on-ted-box | so whatever "Open Source" hoped to (originally) achieve, it clearly failed to | Mar 21 09:02 |
| oiaohm | Sometimes you get it then you decide you should have asked for something else and it too late to change. | Mar 21 09:02 |
| oiaohm | What it hope to achive was open source developer paid by companies to work on stuff. | Mar 21 09:03 |
| oiaohm | and companies using open source software. | Mar 21 09:03 |
| oiaohm | So its been successful at hitting it early goals perfectly. | Mar 21 09:03 |
| oiaohm | Just now people are working out the freedom stuff of GNU/FSF is kind of important. | Mar 21 09:03 |
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| oiaohm | roy-on-ted-box: basically the problem is you say OSI did not accomplish its goals when that is wrong. Its accomplished the goals they wrote at the start. Now its buyers remorse. | Mar 21 09:05 |
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| oiaohm | https://github.blog/2020-03-16-npm-is-joining-github/ now this is a problem that is kind of expected. | Mar 21 09:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.blog | npm is joining GitHub - The GitHub Blog | Mar 21 09:16 | |
| roy-on-ted-box | They buy the supply chain | Mar 21 09:24 |
| roy-on-ted-box | it's all about control | Mar 21 09:24 |
| roy-on-ted-box | controlling their rivals | Mar 21 09:24 |
| roy-on-ted-box | antitrust not invoked | Mar 21 09:24 |
| roy-on-ted-box | OSI bribed by them | Mar 21 09:24 |
| roy-on-ted-box | LF bribed by them | Mar 21 09:24 |
| roy-on-ted-box | OIN the same | Mar 21 09:24 |
| roy-on-ted-box | so they get away with it | Mar 21 09:24 |
| oiaohm | roy-on-ted-box: there is a downside with buying a supply chain and not controlling production. If you are not careful you get left holding the bills with none of the profit | Mar 21 10:14 |
| oiaohm | With all the stunts Microsoft has tried against open source and Linux without planing what the out come for them would be long term I would not be supprised if they have miss calculated this one as well. | Mar 21 10:15 |
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| oiaohm | roy-on-ted-box: think about holden/GM large car dealerships in Australia who had basic monopoly's in areas. When holden/GM shut up shop they were screwed. Yes they controlled the supply chain between factory and customer but it did not help them one bit when the factory made a choice. | Mar 21 10:18 |
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| oiaohm | You want to control a market you normally don't go after supply chains you go after production. Control production you can choke the supply chain part to death. | Mar 21 10:19 |
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| scientes | all the borders are closed | Mar 21 10:29 |
| oiaohm | scientes: does that include state boarders where you are yet? | Mar 21 10:31 |
| scientes | I am half way around the world in the country of Georgia | Mar 21 10:31 |
| scientes | and the borders are all closed | Mar 21 10:31 |
| scientes | and this is a country heavily dependent on tourism, which meant that the lari went from 2.8 to 3.2 in a few days | Mar 21 10:32 |
| zoobab | It did not last long to revive the UPC: | Mar 21 10:33 |
| zoobab | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2020/03/willem-hoyng-todays-decision-sets-back.html | Mar 21 10:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Willem Hoyng: today's decision sets back UPC at least five years - The IPKat | Mar 21 10:33 | |
| scientes | universal product code? | Mar 21 10:33 |
| zoobab | "the project is not dead yet, and we must keep in mind that we have tried to come to a harmonized European patent law for 70 years now: waiting a few years more is not the end of the world." | Mar 21 10:33 |
| scientes | "harmonized" | Mar 21 10:34 |
| oiaohm | scientes: https://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/map/georgia_map2.htm there are 11 regional zones inside Georgia I guess it the boarders to other countries shut at this stage not the internal boarders as well? | Mar 21 10:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nationsonline.org | Political Map of Georgia - Nations Online Project | Mar 21 10:34 | |
| scientes | oiaohm, there are no internal borders | Mar 21 10:34 |
| scientes | I mean, it is a mountainous country so I guess it would pretty easy to implement road blocks | Mar 21 10:34 |
| oiaohm | basically these would be road blocks on theese internal boarders taht normally don't have boarder posts or anything else. | Mar 21 10:35 |
| oiaohm | So not quite to o my go we are segmenting yet. | Mar 21 10:35 |
| scientes | the US hardly has internal borders either | Mar 21 10:36 |
| scientes | a few natural ones, but not that many | Mar 21 10:36 |
| scientes | especially in the east | Mar 21 10:37 |
| oiaohm | Really it the next level of quarantine | Mar 21 10:37 |
| oiaohm | We have not seen it used for over 100 years. | Mar 21 10:37 |
| scientes | but i get what you are saying | Mar 21 10:37 |
| scientes | the borders will have to change eventually, so I see the elites trying to get a head start | Mar 21 10:38 |
| scientes | they did try to partition Russia | Mar 21 10:38 |
| scientes | and now I can't use my Russia visa | Mar 21 10:38 |
| scientes | as they closed the borders this week | Mar 21 10:38 |
| scientes | until at least april 1 | Mar 21 10:38 |
| oiaohm | So it may be just find somewhere decent to bunker down. | Mar 21 10:38 |
| scientes | Georgia is nice, but the language is very difficult | Mar 21 10:38 |
| scientes | actually wouldn't be a bad place | Mar 21 10:39 |
| scientes | I really need to go camping this week | Mar 21 10:39 |
| scientes | and explore, although around here (Batumi) it is mostly just the big mountain park | Mar 21 10:39 |
| oiaohm | Getting permission to camp somewhere isolated until the virus problem sorts out could be a good move. | Mar 21 10:39 |
| scientes | I don't give a shit about the virus | Mar 21 10:39 |
| scientes | *the flu | Mar 21 10:40 |
| scientes | I just want to explore | Mar 21 10:40 |
| oiaohm | Are you below your normal living altitude and a non smoker. If not and you get it you could be dead fairly quickly. | Mar 21 10:41 |
| scientes | I was just complaining that it is a bit too desolate, unlike the Georgian countryside | Mar 21 10:41 |
| scientes | oh geeze | Mar 21 10:41 |
| scientes | I swam 5km in La Paz, at 3600m | Mar 21 10:41 |
| oiaohm | do remember this virus does lung damage. | Mar 21 10:41 |
| oiaohm | So altitude is a serous consideration. | Mar 21 10:42 |
| scientes | seriously, there is nothing to be scared of | Mar 21 10:42 |
| scientes | I'm more scared of the bears | Mar 21 10:43 |
| oiaohm | Younger people who smoke and over drink have been found to have a fairly high death rate. | Mar 21 10:43 |
| oiaohm | I guess you are not in that camp., | Mar 21 10:43 |
| scientes | you mean like 0.000001%? | Mar 21 10:43 |
| scientes | seriously there are like 7 billion people in this world | Mar 21 10:43 |
| oiaohm | Closer to 4 to 5 percent of those who get ill. | Mar 21 10:43 |
| scientes | and very few have died, and they were all 70+ with other illnesses | Mar 21 10:43 |
| oiaohm | who are in that camp. | Mar 21 10:44 |
| scientes | and also there was no cause of death | Mar 21 10:44 |
| scientes | and the test has false positives | Mar 21 10:44 |
| scientes | and there are so many lies and exaggerations that I don't even believe the truth anymore | Mar 21 10:44 |
| scientes | <oiaohm> Closer to 4 to 5 percent of those who get ill. | Mar 21 10:44 |
| scientes | I have heard so many numbers I don't believe anything | Mar 21 10:44 |
| oiaohm | In that camp as in heavy smoker and heavy drinkers. | Mar 21 10:44 |
| scientes | It is constant FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR | Mar 21 10:44 |
| scientes | which means that it is ALL lies | Mar 21 10:45 |
| oiaohm | There body is badly damaged really before illness. | Mar 21 10:45 |
| scientes | and zero mesage | Mar 21 10:45 |
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| oiaohm | So some what effective illness can kill them. | Mar 21 10:45 |
| scientes | Yeti might kill me too | Mar 21 10:45 |
| scientes | or a shark attack in the forrest | Mar 21 10:45 |
| scientes | who knows | Mar 21 10:45 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus_disease_2019 "As of 20 March 2020, the rate of deaths per number of diagnosed cases is 4.1%; however, it ranges from 0.2% to 15% depending on age and other health problems." | Mar 21 10:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Coronavirus disease 2019 - Wikipedia | Mar 21 10:46 | |
| XRevan86 | Here are the numbers. | Mar 21 10:46 |
| scientes | I don't trust them | Mar 21 10:46 |
| scientes | I have heard so many numbers, and top people are lieing through their teeth | Mar 21 10:46 |
| oiaohm | It is serousally you risk depends on your health. | Mar 21 10:46 |
| scientes | with rediculous language | Mar 21 10:46 |
| scientes | so much that I don't trust anyone at this point | Mar 21 10:46 |
| scientes | there is something behind this | Mar 21 10:46 |
| oiaohm | and that you are not doing anything to screw up your health. | Mar 21 10:46 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Not even Pediwikia? | Mar 21 10:46 |
| scientes | to get the head of the WHO and CDC lying | Mar 21 10:46 |
| scientes | and using TERRORIST language | Mar 21 10:47 |
| oiaohm | Its not lieing just will viruses like this there is no black or white numbers. | Mar 21 10:47 |
| scientes | like "You are with us or you are with the terrorists." type of stuff | Mar 21 10:47 |
| oiaohm | Your medicial state will define your risk. | Mar 21 10:47 |
| oiaohm | and how careful you need to be. | Mar 21 10:47 |
| scientes | and I've watched the gov cry wolf about the flu EVERY year for the past 5 years | Mar 21 10:48 |
| scientes | so I don't believe a word they say | Mar 21 10:48 |
| oiaohm | non smoker, not a heavy drinker in good health not stresssing body with altitude you are most likely looking at the 0.2 percent or lower risk. | Mar 21 10:48 |
| scientes | oiaohm, less than bear attack risks | Mar 21 10:49 |
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| scientes | i.e. ZERO risk | Mar 21 10:49 |
| oiaohm | scientes: if you are not that list. You may need to think about as the virus could be a bigger risk than a bear. | Mar 21 10:49 |
| scientes | oiaohm, don't tell me what to do | Mar 21 10:50 |
| oiaohm | Its just making informed choice. | Mar 21 10:50 |
| XRevan86 | https://cdn.fishki.net/upload/post/2019/02/11/2872831/1bfe0d45467d677de7c864a3e5e96b2a.jpg is waiting for scientes | Mar 21 10:50 |
| scientes | ^^^oh damn | Mar 21 10:50 |
| oiaohm | Like even a person who smokes stopping now while the virus is around can in under week cut their risk in half. | Mar 21 10:50 |
| XRevan86 | https://pravmir.ru/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/4429404-1400x504.jpg | Mar 21 10:52 |
| oiaohm | scientes: we don't have lethal viruses without vaccines to contain it very often. The past flu stuff you talked about there were vaccines being deployed to control it. | Mar 21 10:53 |
| oiaohm | So this is not the normal. | Mar 21 10:53 |
| scientes | that's more normal---alaskan bears scavenging | Mar 21 10:54 |
| scientes | or siberian, no se | Mar 21 10:54 |
| XRevan86 | https://meduza.io/en/feature/2019/02/12/polar-bears-unable-to-reach-the-ocean-have-invaded-two-northern-russian-villages found it | Mar 21 10:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Mar 21 10:55 | |
| scientes | XRevan86, so cool | Mar 21 10:56 |
| scientes | https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/03/19/russia-s-internet-knockout-punch | Mar 21 11:01 |
| scientes | hahahahahahahahahahahaha | Mar 21 11:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Mar 21 11:01 | |
| scientes | all us technies knew it would happen | Mar 21 11:01 |
| oiaohm | Now how many countries would be screwed over if facebook was taken off line. | Mar 21 11:02 |
| XRevan86 | Lots of Internet-connected devices with outdated insecure software? This is fine. | Mar 21 11:02 |
| oiaohm | Including ISP provided modems by the way. | Mar 21 11:03 |
| oiaohm | For some reasons the ISPs think it fine. | Mar 21 11:03 |
| scientes | https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/03/21/disneyland-a-la-russe | Mar 21 11:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Mar 21 11:04 | |
| scientes | "while Russian authorities have compared it to America's Disneyland. Many guests of the park wouldn't agree with such high praise: they have discovered broken or non-functioning rides, construction waste, high prices, and questionable architecture. " | Mar 21 11:04 |
| scientes | "ut it is also very likely that it's been a long time since they visited Nagatinskaya Poyma, where just a few years ago pike fish were freely laying eggs and where you could spot a hoopoe bird or a marsh frog. | Mar 21 11:05 |
| scientes | " | Mar 21 11:05 |
| scientes | hahahahahaha | Mar 21 11:05 |
| oiaohm | Really that description sounds like Disneyland early builds. | Mar 21 11:08 |
| oiaohm | People miss how much of Disneyland has been completely rebuilt over the years. | Mar 21 11:08 |
| *scientes went to DisneyLand, it was not that great | Mar 21 11:08 | |
| scientes | it was really quite boring | Mar 21 11:08 |
| *scientes remembers a few rides | Mar 21 11:09 | |
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| scientes | "To be perfectly honest, it would also be good to witness the historic moment when Russia's multi-ethnic people rely on something other than shopping centers to lift their spirits. There must be something else out there. Right? | Mar 21 11:12 |
| scientes | " | Mar 21 11:12 |
| scientes | hahaha | Mar 21 11:12 |
| XRevan86 | There's Internet. | Mar 21 11:12 |
| XRevan86 | Friends and family, meet-ups, celebrations | Mar 21 11:12 |
| scientes | I think it was a joke | Mar 21 11:13 |
| XRevan86 | I don't really get attractions like that, they aren't even impressive. | Mar 21 11:13 |
| scientes | XRevan86, what about unimpressive ones? | Mar 21 11:15 |
| scientes | like all the imported U.S. stuff that is in Georgia | Mar 21 11:15 |
| scientes | or even Bolivia | Mar 21 11:16 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I meant all of them. | Mar 21 11:16 |
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| scientes | I'm talking about just an odd bucky-metal-horse that is coin-operated | Mar 21 11:16 |
| scientes | those were a fact of life in the U.S. in the 90s | Mar 21 11:16 |
| scientes | and when I went to Bolivia I realized where they sent them all | Mar 21 11:16 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: hah | Mar 21 11:17 |
| scientes | Batumi is full of used theme park equitment | Mar 21 11:18 |
| scientes | and it all still works, because it was made in the U.S. instead of China | Mar 21 11:18 |
| scientes | XRevan86, its just something exciting for the kids to do, nothing more | Mar 21 11:19 |
| scientes | although a water-park is really the best | Mar 21 11:19 |
| oiaohm | Really some of the best for being interesting for me have shutdown over time like the shark show done by a shark hunter and a bottle house. | Mar 21 11:29 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/XfzTrqC.jpg | Mar 21 11:31 |
| MinceR | https://kohlchan.net/.media/5a0694075d9157c109114e9f2ff50a4c-imagepng.png | Mar 21 11:35 |
| tedbox | heh | Mar 21 11:48 |
| tedbox | bad logic there | Mar 21 11:48 |
| tedbox | but then again, it's not a decent site | Mar 21 11:48 |
| tedbox | When you're stuck at home you might use broadband | Mar 21 11:49 |
| tedbox | you're not mobile anymore | Mar 21 11:49 |
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| smnthermes | https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/8793 | Mar 21 13:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Brave is promoting etoro affiliate program and making a fortune from its users who will likely lose their money. · Issue #8793 · brave/brave-browser · GitHub | Mar 21 13:17 | |
| tedbox | hmm... github | Mar 21 13:18 |
| XRevan86 | cast DaemonFC[m] | Mar 21 13:21 |
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| oiaohm | I am not sure. I am wondering if Microsoft is not exactly doing a supply chain attack. I think it could be we are buying into the supply chain where we have poor control really so we can appear to have relevance to the industry to our share holders so our share holders don't jump ship. | Mar 21 15:49 |
| oiaohm | In the same logic of companies going into debt to buy back own shares to make their PE numbers look better. | Mar 21 15:50 |
| psydroid | I have found something interesting in that more people are openly getting fed up with Microsoft and Vista 10 to the point that they have lost any hope and/or migrated to Linux. I think we are going to see an avalanche of migrations off the platform during the next few years. Only the true believers will stay with the platform until there is nothing left to believe in anymore. | Mar 21 16:10 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: really Linux platform is starting to get a lot of basic problems solved as well. | Mar 21 16:50 |
| cubexyz | win nt 3.5 was kind of a ripoff of OS/2 | Mar 21 16:57 |
| cubexyz | no wonder IBM and Microsoft get along like fire and ice | Mar 21 16:58 |
| XRevan86 | It was kind of a fork too %) | Mar 21 16:58 |
| XRevan86 | and a story of betrayal | Mar 21 16:58 |
| XRevan86 | and trust | Mar 21 16:58 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: win nt 3.5 is very much a rip off of OS/2 and VMS. | Mar 21 17:01 |
| cubexyz | IBM _was_ software benevolent, but no one remembers now | Mar 21 17:01 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: it explains why HP and IBM don't exactly like Microsoft. | Mar 21 17:01 |
| cubexyz | software benevolent but very hardware malevolent | Mar 21 17:02 |
| cubexyz | all that changed in the 1980s | Mar 21 17:02 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, who really likes M$? :) | Mar 21 17:02 |
| cubexyz | except for stockholders | Mar 21 17:03 |
| oiaohm | Not really the XT would not have been as possible if IBM had not published complete circuit specs. | Mar 21 17:03 |
| XRevan86 | and stockholmers | Mar 21 17:03 |
| oiaohm | IBM was historically not that hardware malevolent either. | Mar 21 17:03 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, for IBM 1130 or IBM/360 no parts after 10 years (or less) | Mar 21 17:03 |
| cubexyz | no support, just give back the computer after contract expires | Mar 21 17:04 |
| oiaohm | IBM did provide those at end of support with the specifications to make the parts they need. Some of the reason why some mussium s have IBM1130 and IBM/360 still working. | Mar 21 17:05 |
| oiaohm | Was not exactly that IBM was hardware malevolent it was more they were using the factory space for something else so could not make the parts. | Mar 21 17:06 |
| oiaohm | Some ways they are examples why what is being asked for under right for repair might be highly useless to most people. | Mar 21 17:06 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, hard to think of IBM as not malevolent re: hardware | Mar 21 17:08 |
| cubexyz | maybe nowadays they are better | Mar 21 17:08 |
| oiaohm | IBM has gone though differene cycles. | Mar 21 17:08 |
| oiaohm | Before Microsoft mess IBM was very open with customers with specifications on stuff so at end of life with enough money you could keep the thing going. | Mar 21 17:09 |
| oiaohm | The mess over IBM XT being cloned based of stuff IBM had provided made IBM a lot more protective for a while. | Mar 21 17:10 |
| oiaohm | Yes that lot more protective back fired on IBM badly. | Mar 21 17:10 |
| cubexyz | microchannel? :) | Mar 21 17:10 |
| cubexyz | didn't really go over too well | Mar 21 17:10 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Mar 21 17:11 |
| oiaohm | Remember before that all sockets in IBM systems were fully documented with open spec sheets that anyone could implement. | Mar 21 17:11 |
| oiaohm | Remember IBM wrote the XT ISA bus. | Mar 21 17:11 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: http://ibm1130.org/ You have to remember multi parties in fact made clones of the IBM1130 because IBM gave away so much in specifications as well. | Mar 21 17:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IBM1130.org: All about the IBM 1130 Computing System | Mar 21 17:15 | |
| oiaohm | Early on IBM is very open with information to the point their products are being cloned. | Mar 21 17:15 |
| oiaohm | The early idea of licensing silicon designs to other parties to make as much volume as they need is a early IBM thing. | Mar 21 17:17 |
| scientes | oh god APL | Mar 21 17:27 |
| scientes | how big is a word? | Mar 21 17:28 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Where? 4 bytes or 8 bytes typically | Mar 21 17:30 |
| scientes | > | Mar 21 17:30 |
| scientes | By report from Dan Chang, four IBM 1800 systems were running in their original application at Pickering Nuclear Power Station, Ontario, Canada. It appears that they were finally retired from service in 2010, replaced by machines running the original 1800 code in emulation. | Mar 21 17:30 |
| scientes | XRevan86, ibm1130 | Mar 21 17:30 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: 2 bytes | Mar 21 17:31 |
| scientes | 16 bits you mean | Mar 21 17:32 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Yes, 2 octets :) | Mar 21 17:32 |
| scientes | my god it is a good thing that this stuff got standardized | Mar 21 17:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > and this is a country heavily dependent on tourism, which meant that the lari went from 2.8 to 3.2 in a few days | Mar 21 17:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois went on a lockdown. | Mar 21 17:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But you can go outside. You either need to have a good reason to be going somewhere or do something outside by yourself. | Mar 21 17:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Walking is still okay as long as you are not with more than one other person. | Mar 21 17:34 |
| cubexyz | I actually used IBM/360 APL a few times :) | Mar 21 17:36 |
| cubexyz | don't see APL much these days | Mar 21 17:37 |
| cubexyz | some of the DEC system 20's had their own version of it | Mar 21 17:39 |
| cubexyz | code maintaining for APL... yeah not too great | Mar 21 17:40 |
| cubexyz | http://apl.maxhost.org/apl-tops-20.txt | Mar 21 17:42 |
| cubexyz | the TOPs version wasn't too bad | Mar 21 17:42 |
| scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INTERCAL | Mar 21 17:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | INTERCAL - Wikipedia | Mar 21 17:43 | |
| scientes | I especially like the need for PLEASE | Mar 21 17:44 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 21 17:53 |
| MinceR | but not too often | Mar 21 17:53 |
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| XRevan86 | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1623649 oy-vey | Mar 21 18:37 |
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