●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Friday, May 21, 2021 ●● ● May 21 [00:00] baronhk[m]1 MinceR, the guy who started Internet Explorer at Microsoft left and founded a company he says will eventually create a direct neural interface to control machines with your mind. [00:00] baronhk[m]1 Facebook recently bought them out. [00:00] schestowitz__ baronhk[m]1: you use PIA and Mandy does too, right? [00:00] schestowitz__ For Japanese anime [00:00] XRevan86 rasengan: Who even is KindOne? [00:00] baronhk[m]1 I configured his copy of Chrome to use PIA as a proxy. [00:01] baronhk[m]1 It lets you exempt Hulu and Netflix that way. [00:01] XRevan86 And why would anyone even do such a thing!? [00:01] schestowitz__ "for the lols" [00:01] schestowitz__ "shits and giggles" [00:02] kingoffrance ^ too much of this stuff reeks of that ritual thing [00:02] kingoffrance "you're all alone" [00:02] baronhk[m]1 I use it with Wireguard at the OS networking level so it covers my torrents. [00:02] kingoffrance truth is not consensus [00:02] kingoffrance majority may or may not be correct [00:02] kingoffrance irrelevant [00:02] schestowitz__ that worked in Twiter [00:02] MinceR 21 010021 < baronhk[m]1> MinceR, the guy who started Internet Explorer at Microsoft left and founded a company he says will eventually create a direct neural interface to control machines with your mind. [00:02] MinceR lol [00:02] MinceR what a sales pitch [00:02] baronhk[m]1 I see much less protocol overhead with Wireguard than OpenVPN on Windows or Linux. [00:02] schestowitz__ but the counter-petition thwarted the narrative [00:03] MinceR "finally you can wire something developed to the same quality standards as IE directly to your brain!" [00:03] kingoffrance just got up and read the scrollback, i was gonna say also: re: (quoting quoting) I think attacking a specific organisation is worse than attacking a class defined by a behaviour." trttl " it's hard to believe that people are actually this confused" <-- well, it is more of scalia's "formalism" type "rule of law". it appears at first glance to be "behavior, not appearance" but then "class defined b [00:03] kingoffrance y behavior" seals it. i guess you can't have class war without divyying ppl into classes first lol [00:03] schestowitz__ baronhk[m]1: very few lines of coee [00:03] schestowitz__ *code [00:03] baronhk[m]1 Security Zones and ActiveX [00:03] schestowitz__ in kernel.org (linux) at least [00:03] MinceR :> [00:03] baronhk[m]1 We all know how that ended. [00:04] kingoffrance "class defined by behavior" is basically another "some ppl are above the law" [00:04] baronhk[m]1 Microsoft ended up bogged down trying to support both standards and the mess it created trying to hijack them within the same browser. [00:04] baronhk[m]1 Still is for another decade. [00:05] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:05] baronhk[m]1 Putting IE rendering mode into Edge is just as ugly as having it in EdgeHTML Edge. [00:05] schestowitz__ EdgeHTML LOL [00:05] schestowitz__ MSIE rebranded [00:06] schestowitz__ AZ COVAX [00:06] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Both are dead now. [00:06] baronhk[m]1 Well, it was basically IE 11 Standards Mode without any compatibility renderers. [00:06] schestowitz__ who? what? [00:06] schestowitz__ edge and html? :-) [00:06] schestowitz__ I wish [00:07] XRevan86 Although, no, Microsoft will keep support for Trident until 2029 apparently. [00:07] schestowitz__ let's go to gemini.. [00:07] baronhk[m]1 Then they started adding more stuff to it while IE rotted. [00:07] XRevan86 schestowitz__: I meant Trident and EdgeHTML. [00:07] baronhk[m]1 In 2015, there was very little rendering difference between IE 11 Standard Mode and EdgeHTML. [00:07] baronhk[m]1 But by last year there definitely was. [00:08] schestowitz__ well, those are irrelevant now [00:08] schestowitz__ thankfully [00:08] schestowitz__ Microsoft is mostly faking importance now [00:09] baronhk[m]1 Well, Chromium as the only engine out there is a big problem. [00:09] baronhk[m]1 At the rate Microsoft was going, EdgeHTML would have been open sourced eventually. [00:09] schestowitz__ for years now [00:09] schestowitz__ baronhk[m]1: nobody would adopt it [00:09] schestowitz__ no point to... [00:10] *wineroots has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [00:10] baronhk[m]1 Apple is not going to adopt Chromium but they've given up on their own extensions model in Safari. Copied the one from Chrome. [00:11] baronhk[m]1 WebExtensions is going to be missing from GNOME's browser for quite a while because a lot of that is not related to the engine. [00:12] techrights-bot ProfilePress Rebrands and Repurposes WP User Avatar, Now a Membership Plugin, Users Revolt via the #WordPress Review System https://wptavern.com/profilepress-rebrands-and-repurposes-wp-user-avatar-now-a-membership-plugin-users-revolt-via-the-wordpress-review-system [00:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wptavern.com | ProfilePress Rebrands and Repurposes WP User Avatar, Now a Membership Plugin, Users Revolt via the WordPress Review System WordPress Tavern [00:12] baronhk[m]1 Some is, some isn't. There's quite a lot you have to do in the browser shell to get GUIs and stuff running. [00:12] baronhk[m]1 Even SeaMonkey has compatibility problems. [00:13] XRevan86 > (17:27:58) amdj: rasengan: tomaw doesn't claim to be anything. christel resigned and we (all, collectively) elected tomaw to the head of staff position. tomaw had nothing to do with it. if you're going to keep up with these lies I'm going to mute you. [00:14] baronhk[m]1 One reason why EdgeHTML was never going to have a lot of extensions even if it copied the API was because Microsoft still had to convince developers to port the extension to Edge, test it, and put it in their store. [00:14] baronhk[m]1 Very few ever bothered. [00:14] techrights-bot But... will #icc also investigate #nato bombing that left #libya in utter ruin, with a #uk role? https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/supporting-the-icc-prosecutors-ongoing-investigations-in-libya [00:14] XRevan86 baronhk[m]1: Firefox somehow doesn't have that problem. [00:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Supporting the ICC Prosecutor's ongoing investigations in Libya - GOV.UK [00:15] XRevan86 But I guess it's because Edge users weren't the creating extensions type. [00:15] techrights-bot Alternative solution: release the animals to their natural habitat? https://www.thenational.scot/news/19273877.scottish-zoo-celebrates-able-welcome-back-visitors-lockdown/ [00:15] *xvx (~xvx@185.48.63.108) has joined #techrights [00:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenational.scot | Scottish zoo celebrates being able to welcome back visitors after lockdown | The National [00:17] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [00:17] XRevan86 (17:28:54) eeeeeta: rasengan: a few days ago you instructed the freenode staff to give kevinp admin access [00:18] baronhk[m]1 When that news article said cops in Texas asked that guy how he ended up with so much child porn and they wanted to know where he got it and he said "Bing", I was dismayed. [00:18] baronhk[m]1 Then the New York Times called them out on it. [00:19] XRevan86 baronhk[m]1: Thank goodness he didn't say "Searx" or something. [00:19] baronhk[m]1 For many years, over a decade, people could just get on Bing or Windows Live Search and entire CP search terms and it would just bring it up in the video tab. [00:20] baronhk[m]1 At the same time, Microsoft said it was providing PhotoDNA to law enforcement, it was showing people things that should have been in PhotoDNA on Bing. [00:20] baronhk[m]1 *enter search terms [00:21] baronhk[m]1 I mean, it was pretty brazen. Any other search company that spent fifteen years with that kind of mess and no filters would have been raided by federal agents and shut down. [00:22] techrights-bot "People on the internet often talk about his past "problematic" behavior, when doing so they usually link you, directly or indirectly, to one of the articles reviewed here." https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/ [00:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sterling-archermedes.github.io | Low grade "journalists" and internet mob attack RMS with lies. In-depth review. [00:23] baronhk[m]1 Many search engines don't return anything pornographic at all to avoid exactly this sort of accusation. [00:23] XRevan86 MinceR: Actually, there's something even worse than human relations here: ownership. [00:23] XRevan86 ownership disputes that is [00:24] baronhk[m]1 https://www.menshealth.com/entertainment/a36449310/marvel-kevin-feige-whitewashing-doctor-strange/ [00:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.menshealth.com | Marvel President Kevin Feige Says He Regrets 'Doctor Strange' Whitewashing [00:24] baronhk[m]1 Do something to avoid racism, get accused of racism. [00:25] baronhk[m]1 Roy doesn't get how this is all interconnected. We're dealing with a plague of these folks who complain about everything while the company they work for is 99% white, including them, and maybe a touch past that. Like Matthew Garrett. [00:26] baronhk[m]1 What are they doing about this problem? [00:27] baronhk[m]1 mjg59 was working for a company full of white men who was making dragnet software targeting black people to sell to the cops and running contracts to help ICE put kids in cages. [00:27] schestowitz__ XRevan86: everyone wants to own that network [00:27] schestowitz__ now they have their own network [00:27] schestowitz__ and they compete [00:27] baronhk[m]1 Whatever takes the focus off of himself, apparently.... That's part of where Cancel Stallman comes from. [00:28] schestowitz__ same with fedora etc. [00:28] baronhk[m]1 A refusal to recognize that he did more damage at Google than Stallman ever could by a one liner on an obscure blog. [00:28] schestowitz__ they didn't like the idea they volunteer and doesn't share ownership [00:28] schestowitz__ like red hat did with people who reported bugs in fedora erc. [00:28] schestowitz__ etc. [00:29] baronhk[m]1 Bugs reported on Fedora just rot. [00:29] baronhk[m]1 Two or three years later your email is swamped with a once per day reminder that this bug has seen no further activity. [00:29] baronhk[m]1 It has been this way for a while even when the fix is obvious. [00:30] techrights-bot #Google brings #Linux app support on #ChromeOS out of beta http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151386#comment-29707 [00:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Chrome OSs Linux app support is leaving beta | Tux Machines [00:31] baronhk[m]1 schestowitz In one case I was just asking for them to include a dependency on gstreamer's 32-bit MP3 codec package when the user installed wine so that the WoW64 implementation of DirectShow would work. [00:31] baronhk[m]1 Totally ignored. [00:31] *sebsebseb (~sebastian@unaffiliated/sebsebseb) has joined #techrights [00:31] sebsebseb MinceR: schestowitz__ ping [00:31] sebsebseb anyone here? [00:31] baronhk[m]1 Microsoft has been much better about documenting the Windows API lately. [00:32] sebsebseb baronhk[m]1: uh not sure who you are but ok someone here [00:32] sebsebseb so i just seen a story aout [00:32] sebsebseb freenode being sold off to a korean prince bbasically [00:32] sebsebseb and lots of the freenode staff leaving [00:32] XRevan86 sebsebseb: Meet rasengan [00:32] sebsebseb XRevan86: what's rasengan ? [00:32] XRevan86 sebsebseb: A korean prince bbasically [00:32] sebsebseb XRevan86: yeah so apparnatly he taking it over a bit or something [00:32] sebsebseb and its not liked [00:33] schestowitz__ no [00:33] schestowitz__ he took over ages ago [00:33] XRevan86 sebsebseb: I mean, he's actually here. [00:33] schestowitz__ but the staff raises a stink now [00:33] sebsebseb XRevan86: what in the channel ? [00:33] XRevan86 sebsebseb: yea [00:33] sebsebseb XRevan86: oh really [00:33] sebsebseb wow [00:33] sebsebseb sounds like christel sold it to help sponser freenode live too [00:33] sebsebseb or something [00:33] sebsebseb i only just starrted reading stuff [00:34] sebsebseb ao he's in here doing what jono bacon used to do then :D [00:34] XRevan86 Yea, and the domain ended up in Freenode, Ltd. [00:34] schestowitz__ baronhk[m]1: Microsoft Paul https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/250262/microsoft-details-deprecated-and-removed-features-in-windows-10-version-21h1 [00:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Details Deprecated and Removed Features in Windows 10 Version 21H1 - Thurrott.com [00:34] sebsebseb keep ana eye on the potentially controversial channel [00:34] sebsebseb but saying that if we got a korean prince in this channel, that's kind of cool in way, isn't it :D ? [00:35] XRevan86 So when a head of staff tried to secure control over the domain holding account rasengan took action to regain access. [00:35] baronhk[m]1 Deprecation and removal usually improves Windows more than what they add. [00:35] sebsebseb https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7ev8y/freenode-open-source-korea-crown-prince-takeover [00:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vice.com | Developers Flee Open Source Project After Takeover By Korean Crown Prince [00:35] baronhk[m]1 Things have really backed up this much. [00:35] sebsebseb https://freenode.net/news/freenode-is-foss [00:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | On freenode and its commitment to FOSS - freenode [00:36] sebsebseb so is it more of a don't trust Korea thing [00:36] sebsebseb a bit liike how people don't just trust the Russians all the time wink wink at XRevan86 :D [00:36] baronhk[m]1 "Personalization roaming. Roaming of Personalization settingslike wallpaper, slideshow, accent colors, and lock screen imagesis no longer being developed and might be removed in a future release, Microsoft says." [00:36] XRevan86 It's actually very weird that they call him that in the title. [00:36] XRevan86 is that for click-bait? [00:37] techrights-bot #SUSE Linux announces SUSE Edge, SUSE Hybrid IT, SLES 15 SP3 and more http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151326#comment-29708 #opensuse #gnu #linux [00:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE and SUSECON Leftovers | Tux Machines [00:37] schestowitz__ XRevan86: yes [00:37] CrystalMath remember when vice posted unbiased truthful articles? [00:37] XRevan86 That title describes a person in practically no way whatsoever. [00:37] schestowitz__ CrystalMath: ages ago [00:37] sebsebseb so techrights won't be running off to some other network then, but magiea channels might, it was on one of the mailkng ists there that i just saw an email to do with this [00:37] schestowitz__ like really investigative stuff [00:37] CrystalMath schestowitz__: i don't remember :P [00:37] schestowitz__ then they losr funding [00:37] XRevan86 sebsebseb: Yea, we're getting a split. [00:37] baronhk[m]1 In the Windows XP beta days, Bill Gates said eventually you'd just log in and your settings and stuff would just be there regardless of the PC you were using. [00:37] baronhk[m]1 Nice to know that this was implemented and then backed out. [00:37] schestowitz__ went for provocation and witch-hunts instead [00:37] sebsebseb XRevan86: why since the don't trust korea stuff? [00:37] sebsebseb XRevan86: oh no it's korea, they mus do something bad [00:38] XRevan86 sebsebseb: A prince? In my IRC? It's more likely than ye think. [00:38] sebsebseb uh hold on, russia, china, the us, and even britian, have all done bad things in the past :D [00:38] schestowitz__ [00:36] so is it more of a don't trust Korea thing [00:38] schestowitz__ sebsebseb: he's American [00:38] schestowitz__ it's racist to call him that [00:38] XRevan86 sebsebseb: Freenode, OFTC, LiberaChat [00:38] schestowitz__ he spent his life there, from birth to adulthood afaik [00:38] sebsebseb schestowitz__: uh the article said korea ? [00:38] sebsebseb schestowitz__: i only just got on it [00:38] XRevan86 sebsebseb: The channels will get more spread out around those three networks. [00:38] schestowitz__ not sure if they even speak any hangul in the home [00:38] sebsebseb hadn't finnished reading yet [00:39] sebsebseb schestowitz__: so he's more american, but with links to korea ? [00:39] schestowitz__ I covered this in video this morning [00:39] schestowitz__ it's a racist adage [00:39] schestowitz__ like calling people who are not EUROPEAN American something else [00:39] sebsebseb if schestowitz__ trusts him with freenode 's data, then its probably good enough :) [00:39] schestowitz__ like Indian-American [00:40] schestowitz__ like they're not "really" USian [00:40] schestowitz__ it's colonialist mentality [00:40] sebsebseb uhmm identi.ca got split [00:40] sebsebseb when things changed to pump.io [00:40] sebsebseb and lots of stuff got ruinted [00:40] sebsebseb but I guess it won't be like that agian, but for Freenode IRC again [00:40] schestowitz__ sebsebseb: it's a privacy company, PIA [00:40] sebsebseb yeah the comapny with freenode in the thing [00:40] sebsebseb as one o the projects [00:40] sebsebseb ? [00:41] schestowitz__ but anyway, IRC as a protocol isn't for privacy, unless you self-host [00:41] schestowitz__ and even then you need to guard who can access what [00:41] sebsebseb yeah it's for text chating onlne [00:41] sebsebseb not really for private encrypted chat [00:41] sebsebseb if that's what you mean [00:41] schestowitz__ right [00:41] schestowitz__ server in the middle [00:41] sebsebseb which is his server [00:41] sebsebseb or possibly [00:42] sebsebseb and these people not trusting that? [00:42] sebsebseb that's the issue ? [00:42] schestowitz__ wikileaks self-hosted irc [00:42] schestowitz__ and people kept stealing or leaking things [00:42] alextee[m] pretty much every channel I'm in is moving or has already moved to libera chat. i wonder what channels will be left on freenode after the migration [00:42] schestowitz__ breaches and breach of trust [00:42] schestowitz__ and FBI moles like Sigi [00:42] sebsebseb alextee[m]: why ? why have they moved ? [00:42] schestowitz__ alextee[m]: I saw none [00:42] schestowitz__ some have presence in both [00:42] alextee[m] sebsebseb: because the freenode staff moved [00:42] schestowitz__ some floated proposals [00:43] sebsebseb rasengan: hi :) looks lke your ok :), well then that's ok if idiots move off to other networks since whatever the issue is [00:43] alextee[m] #lad #sr.ht #lv2 #linux-libre #mesonbuild #parabola #guix [00:43] schestowitz__ predictions of doom and gloom are BS [00:43] sebsebseb is this more lik,e oh no Oracle now have bought out sun microsystems so can't do much with open office lets fork it [00:43] schestowitz__ I saw people talking about moving [00:43] alextee[m] i think only #gnu and #gnunet are still thinking about it [00:43] schestowitz__ but not much beyond that [00:44] sebsebseb oh and geez now they have my sql [00:44] sebsebseb we better fork that too [00:44] sebsebseb since that's a direct competer to oracle's stuff [00:44] schestowitz__ bbiab [00:44] sebsebseb oh virtualbox should be ok under oracle though that can be left [00:44] XRevan86 sebsebseb: LibreOffice and MariaDB are great projects. [00:45] baronhk[m]1 The Windows 10 21H1 update program says my computer is not blacklisted. [00:45] baronhk[m]1 Well that's nice. [00:45] sebsebseb XRevan86: yes but Open Office got forked see above as did mysql see above [00:45] baronhk[m]1 I updated the BIOS the other day to the latest one I could find. [00:45] techrights-bot Is it also free as in #freesw h https://devops.com/the-future-of-low-code-is-open/ [00:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Future of Low-Code is Open - DevOps.com [00:46] techrights-bot UofSC experts: 2021 #hurricane season https://www.sc.edu/uofsc/posts/2021/05/2021_hurricane_experts.php [00:46] XRevan86 baronhk[m]1: It's out of Release Candidacy? [00:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sc.edu | UofSC experts: 2021 hurricane season - UofSC News & Events | University of South Carolina [00:46] sebsebseb rasengan is freenode staff uhmm yeah just seen that, is this the first time we get freenode staff prpoerly coming here :D [00:46] baronhk[m]1 Yeah. [00:46] techrights-bot Novelist #CoryDoctorow on the Problem with Intellectual Property https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/05/cory-doctorow-interview-bill-gates-intellectual-property #billgates #robbery #monopoly #scam [00:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jacobinmag.com | Novelist Cory Doctorow on the Problem with Intellectual Property [00:47] sebsebseb oh no XRevan86 has hiajcked freenode and sucked it into the penetgan in russia some how, let's fork it, a bit like that what we are on about :D ? [00:47] baronhk[m]1 You really have to hand it to Microsoft with the Windows 10 upgrades. [00:47] sebsebseb XRevan86: the pentegan i meant the kremlin [00:47] baronhk[m]1 It used to be press F8 to load a driver and now it's just press F to pay respects when it won't reboot. [00:48] sebsebseb or oh it's like when mirosoft bought out uh whatever it's caleld the develoepr thing uh for code mind gone blank [00:48] XRevan86 sebsebseb: It's more of a triangle. [00:49] XRevan86 sebsebseb: GitPlex or something? [00:50] baronhk[m]1 Apparently, May 2021 isn't a big update. [00:50] baronhk[m]1 It removes more legacy crap than the stuff that it features. [00:50] techrights-bot #BillGates set the stage for Indias dire response https://www.newframe.com/bill-gates-set-the-stage-for-indias-dire-response/ as more people die his profits will grow. Read https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/bill-gates-investments-covid/ [00:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newframe.com | Bill Gates set the stage for Indias dire response : New Frame [00:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | While the Poor Get Sick, Bill Gates Just Gets Richer | The Nation [00:50] baronhk[m]1 The biggest removal is going to be the Windows 2000/XP display driver model. [00:51] XRevan86 baronhk[m]1: Except that it doesn't actually remove it. [00:51] baronhk[m]1 ? [00:51] XRevan86 baronhk[m]1: Edge (Legacy) is still there. [00:52] baronhk[m]1 EdgeHTML is part of the WinRT API for now. [00:52] techrights-bot When your CMS (or similar) is too welcoming... https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/spammers-flood-pypi-with-pirated-movie-links-and-bogus-packages/ [00:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Spammers flood PyPI with pirated movie links and bogus packages [00:53] baronhk[m]1 So, yeah, they're stuck with it. But the browser part has been removed. [00:53] baronhk[m]1 IEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE [00:53] baronhk[m]1 What a mess. [00:53] XRevan86 baronhk[m]1: Except that it kind of hasn't? [00:53] baronhk[m]1 Can you still reactivate Edge Legacy and use it as a browser? [00:54] baronhk[m]1 Up until recently they could be available side by side by flipping a registry bit. [00:55] baronhk[m]1 schestowitz__: Jon von Tetzchner posted an article to Vivaldi blog about how Microsoft used IE to try to ruin the web and divert its users to Windows programs. [00:55] sebsebseb jackie something a security enginer for biden cmapin also used t obe on freenode it says at the botom of that [00:55] sebsebseb that's interesting [00:55] techrights-bot Let them eat hype and buzzwords? https://theconversation.com/ethiopias-blockchain-deal-is-a-watershed-moment-for-the-technology-and-for-africa-160719 [00:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theconversation.com | Ethiopia's blockchain deal is a watershed moment -- for the technology, and for Africa [00:55] baronhk[m]1 Doesn't see the irony that Vivaldi defaults to Bing, I suppose. [00:56] sebsebseb so it looks like rasengan spent millions and basically bought out freenode, but it's not quite as simple as that [00:56] sebsebseb also does christel still run it like before now or not really ? [00:57] superkuh I'm a bit disappointed with the distorted viewpoint techrights is taking on all of this. [00:57] *superkuh (~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh) has left #techrights ("the neuronal action potential is an electrical manipulation of reversible abrupt phase changes in the lipid bilayer") [00:57] techrights-bot The Role of Ethics in #Cybersecurity Studies http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/150248?page=1#comment-29710 #linux #kernel #umn [00:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Heres Why University of Minnesota is Likely to be Banned from Contributing to Linux Kernel Code | Tux Machines [00:59] techrights-bot "In other words, without the white man coming in to tell India and other middle-income countries how to make vaccines and provide them with his money, these countries would not be able to make vaccines on their own." #billgates #racist #whitesupremacist #eugenics https://www.newframe.com/bill-gates-set-the-stage-for-indias-dire-response/ ● May 21 [01:01] baronhk[m]1 The US government is basically treating COVID like getting it under control here means the issue will never be revisited. [01:02] baronhk[m]1 I think the truth is they don't want it under control anywhere else. [01:02] kingoffrance sebsebseb, i agree with schestowitz__ -- irc generally someone will have your "data" ; i said other day thats why i hope someone revives http://invisibleip.sourceforge.net/iip/index.php [01:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invisibleip.sourceforge.net | Invisible IRC Project [01:02] kingoffrance the "data" thing i find overblown [01:02] kingoffrance if you want full-blown decentralized, make it happen :) [01:02] baronhk[m]1 They see it as opportunity in disaster, like how US manufacturing thrived after World War 2 and led to decades of prosperity because we were the least affected by the war. [01:02] sebsebseb hmm just seen the freenode article from him too [01:02] kingoffrance ppl didnt want that 20 years ago, so it died [01:02] sebsebseb i see it links to tech rights [01:03] kingoffrance ppl say they want that, but few actuallydo :) [01:03] sebsebseb so super who left earoier washt happy with techrights what thought about this i assume [01:03] sebsebseb let's read hte linked to techrighs thing from the blog post by rasengan [01:04] XRevan86 baronhk[m]1: Hm, maybe Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_8wekyb3d8bbwe is actually a stub. [01:04] MinceR maybe he would have preferred for us to embrace cancel culture after such upstanding members of the community practiced it [01:05] sebsebseb MinceR: system da and pulseaudio wil move to some other network since this thing I am just reading about :D [01:05] XRevan86 sebsebseb: christel resigned. [01:05] schestowitz__ [01:04] maybe he would have preferred for us to embrace cancel culture after such upstanding members of the community practiced it [01:05] schestowitz__ +1 [01:05] sebsebseb XRevan86: yeah looks like it by what I just read but why ? [01:05] MinceR sebsebseb: what, they were using IRC? but IRC is not "modern"... [01:05] sebsebseb I guess no Freenode Live in Bristol again unless hmm [01:05] sebsebseb rasengan: wait if you have millions and sponser freenode, maybe you can do an event in Bristol again such as Freenode Live, we had two of those and it was great :) [01:06] baronhk[m]1 India still has a lot of scammers calling to the US and pretending to be the IRS and stuff. [01:06] schestowitz__ "modern" IRC [01:06] baronhk[m]1 I know their government tries to shut it down, but it must be worth a lot of money for them to bother with it. [01:06] schestowitz__ like "modern" phones [01:06] schestowitz__ with 2 cameras and always-on mic [01:06] schestowitz__ bring it on [01:06] rasengan sebsebseb: Freenode live will return once covid etc. ;-) [01:06] baronhk[m]1 schestowitz__: I think my phone has three cameras. [01:06] schestowitz__ :D [01:06] sebsebseb rasengan: in Bristol again too I hope, my city :) [01:07] baronhk[m]1 Yep, three. [01:07] schestowitz__ baronhk[m]1: yes, sometimes they put several on one side [01:07] schestowitz__ I was gonna say... [01:07] sebsebseb rasengan: another guy I know who I meet at confrences hwo used to live in Bristol, always sazid it was ike the best confrence, better than ogg camp the other uk one [01:07] schestowitz__ 5 years ago I saw phones with 16 [01:07] rasengan sebsebseb: Nice :D Glad you guys enjoyed it [01:07] baronhk[m]1 It's 80% done updating. [01:07] schestowitz__ btw, I still do all the writing etc. with a simple text editor [01:07] baronhk[m]1 I wonder how much of a mess it will make for Disk Cleanup. [01:08] sebsebseb rasengan: so I just seen this stuff mentioend on a project i used to be involed with , but read the two links the vice, and your blog post [01:08] sebsebseb rasengan: what's the issue? you have proper control over freenode, and certain people don't like that ? [01:08] XRevan86 baronhk[m]1: A lot, as always. [01:09] sebsebseb rasengan: how come you come here by the way and since when :D [01:09] baronhk[m]1 It looks like they retained the Get Windows 10 app to manage updates for Windows 10. [01:10] sebsebseb rasengan: yeah apparnatly christel over spent last time though for freenode live [01:10] baronhk[m]1 Why are all my Facebook ads about buying a car. [01:10] baronhk[m]1 That's part of what put me into bankruptcy. [01:10] baronhk[m]1 Even fixing this piece of shit all the time has averaged out to be under 40% of a car payment alone, nevermind the insurance. [01:10] MinceR maybe they're monitoring what you say here :> [01:11] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151407 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [01:11] sebsebseb MinceR: the hungarian goverment alwasy tracking you :D onnlie and otherwise [01:12] schestowitz__ Orban is too busy keeping the country fenced [01:12] schestowitz__ to keep the virus from spreading outwards [01:12] schestowitz__ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/hungary [01:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldometers.info | Hungary COVID: 800,368 Cases and 29,380 Deaths - Worldometer [01:12] schestowitz__ soon 30k [01:12] MinceR orban is too busy winning wars on all fronts against imagined threats to do anything effective against real threats [01:12] baronhk[m]1 I'm pretty sure that MinceR can still make it over the chicken wire. [01:13] baronhk[m]1 Unless they're shooting people like East Germany did. [01:13] MinceR lately he decided not to order any more of comirnaty, he'll instead just keep telling people to take the unknown material bought from sinopharm for lots of money [01:13] MinceR nobody wants that, of course [01:13] baronhk[m]1 Gay marriage!!!!! [01:13] MinceR we'll reach herd immunity be having the rest of people get infected [01:13] MinceR and then they'll do a victory lap. [01:13] *baronhk[m]1 jumps in wearing a devil costume and wielding a chainsaw [01:14] MinceR s/be h/by h/ [01:14] XRevan86 sebsebseb: The company was created to manage Freenode Live exactly. [01:14] sebsebseb XRevan86: yes it says a confrence... [01:14] sebsebseb in the vice link [01:14] sebsebseb the confrence would be free nnode live i thoguht when reading that [01:14] sebsebseb since that was the only freenode confrence [01:14] baronhk[m]1 MinceR: I felt like mocking the FOID law more in my appeal, but I won the appeal. [01:14] MinceR :) [01:14] baronhk[m]1 No need for victory laps I guess, even though they're fun. [01:14] sebsebseb maybe she did sell something off christel to help with the event, and then over spent [01:14] schestowitz__ Hungary now at 3,048 deaths per million [01:15] sebsebseb and then more recently things got messy so she resigned [01:15] baronhk[m]1 If you can kill with a chainsaw, shouldn't they be against the law? [01:15] schestowitz__ the virus turns out not to be afraid by "strong leader" [01:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.65 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 27.48 swarm size (avg): 225.19 [01:15] XRevan86 I do wonder why christel transferred the domain to it and if she told anyone. Because it is still unclear to me how a miscommunication of these proportions even managed to occur. [01:15] schestowitz__ ask Bolsonaro and Trump, who "faced off" the virus [01:15] schestowitz__ and both got covid [01:15] schestowitz__ also our own cheeto nazi, bojo [01:15] MinceR this is why orban prefers fighting imagined threats [01:15] sebsebseb and she sold whatever to rasengan and some of the prevosu freenode staffers don't like that, yep that seems to be it, oh well [01:15] MinceR those are much more difficult to lose against [01:16] sebsebseb if Freenode still has good projects on it and such [01:16] sebsebseb for open soure [01:16] sebsebseb and is a nice network :) [01:16] sebsebseb and some other channels too that aren't realy open source, and also starts having events again such as freenode live [01:16] sebsebseb then I guess so be it :) [01:16] baronhk[m]1 Cheeto Hitler still controls the Republican Party even though it's pretty obvious he's not coming back. [01:16] sebsebseb freedom of choise, people that don't like stuff can go else where [01:17] schestowitz__ baronhk[m]1: McCarthyism [01:17] schestowitz__ Trumpism with a mask [01:17] sebsebseb as for the korean stuff as I think like schestowitz__ wsas trying to say earlier, that can be racism basically or depends [01:17] schestowitz__ undermining insurrection probe [01:17] *sebsebseb has been in South Korea for three zoom meetings this year :D [01:17] sebsebseb or was that two [01:17] baronhk[m]1 People are pouring out of states they don't like and moving. [01:18] baronhk[m]1 So far, this appears to be benefiting the Democrats in national politics. [01:18] XRevan86 sebsebseb: Well, not necessarily, but it's definitely not in good faith. [01:18] sebsebseb XRevan86: which ? [01:18] XRevan86 sebsebseb: Laser focus on the prince aspect. [01:18] baronhk[m]1 The folks who left California solidified the party's control over Presidential elections in Nevada and Colorado, and Arizona is next. [01:18] sebsebseb zoobab: well it's the like i put earoier, oh no the koreans might do something bad [01:18] sebsebseb for XRevan86 [01:18] schestowitz__ XRevan86: "us" versus "them" [01:18] schestowitz__ classism [01:19] baronhk[m]1 So Fox News cheers the death of California when all they really got is another California. [01:19] kingoffrance ^ classism [01:19] baronhk[m]1 At least as far as electoral math goes. [01:19] schestowitz__ if not, then something race... which they included also [01:19] kingoffrance class war veiled as mccarthyism [01:19] schestowitz__ with a name like Lee they could say "CHINA!" [01:19] sebsebseb XRevan86: it's a bit like plution bought out access to soething or now owns some company, oh no that's the reussian president he's a bit dodgy, so he might do something bad with it [01:19] baronhk[m]1 Republicans have not won Colorado, New Mexico, or Nevada since W. [01:19] schestowitz__ Lee is a common name in China and Taiwan [01:19] baronhk[m]1 They have a big problem there. [01:19] schestowitz__ to the average Murcian they're "all the same" anyway [01:19] sebsebseb XRevan86: or the heweaii and china thing and the us [01:20] sebsebseb on china may have spy ware in 5g [01:20] sebsebseb oh no chian may have spyware in 5g [01:20] kingoffrance im sure they do; do i trust facebook any better? no [01:20] kingoffrance "us vs them" [01:21] schestowitz__ VICE is partly Murdoch-owned [01:21] sebsebseb or maybe even how in certain cities, if you go to the bad part, or appranat bad part, you may have more of a chance at having your stuff stolen, even if that part was mostly a worse part way back [01:21] kingoffrance american companies have so much better track record [01:21] schestowitz__ so... who is "them"? [01:21] sebsebseb kingoffrance: yep that's what i mean too [01:21] kingoffrance ^ [01:21] sebsebseb kingoffrance: uh the usa does bad things too at times [01:21] schestowitz__ they started much of the hackjob on RMS [01:21] kingoffrance ever-shifting, "not us" schestowitz__ [01:21] kingoffrance thats how you get 1984 :) [01:21] schestowitz__ by distorting or helping to distort what RMS had said on the list [01:21] sebsebseb kingoffrance: but yet people woul genereally trust the usa more than the russians china or even the koreans [01:21] kingoffrance consistency doesnt matter [01:21] sebsebseb or from the western coutnreis [01:22] sebsebseb kingoffrance: oh and that's just a nick i hope :D [01:22] kingoffrance sebsebseb, sure, but they shouldnt, not for such a topic anyway [01:22] schestowitz__ VICE makes it sound like MbS bought all of FOSS [01:22] sebsebseb kingoffrance: if not apaprnatly gogt a korean prince in here now, and also a king of france :D [01:23] kingoffrance lol yeah i get ppl flip out on me too lol [01:23] kingoffrance yeah just a nick [01:23] kingoffrance i can "relate" lol [01:23] sebsebseb zoom has chinese links [01:23] sebsebseb google face book twtiter is the usa [01:23] sebsebseb jitis is open souce but i guess the server is in the us or something [01:23] sebsebseb uh it's the internet [01:23] sebsebseb things are global [01:24] kingoffrance ^ [01:24] kingoffrance thats why i find most this "oh noez russia" "oh noez china" "oh noez korea" specious [01:24] kingoffrance money is global too from everything i understand [01:24] sebsebseb yeah and people from those countires have all put code in the linux kernel i expect [01:24] MinceR you can host jitsi wherever you want to, it's free software [01:24] sebsebseb yet we trust it doenst' turn our web cam on LInux [01:24] kingoffrance its not just nationalism, or fake nationalism, i dont think any of it is even accurate [01:24] MinceR afaik [01:24] sebsebseb wihtout us knowing and things [01:24] sebsebseb but uhmm iis got over 200 million ines of code now too so uhmm [01:25] MinceR Linux used to have pretty strong code reviews [01:25] MinceR until that got in the way of the oligarchs and forced a CoC on it [01:25] MinceR and muzzled Linus [01:25] sebsebseb rasengan: Freenode Live 2022 / 2023 Bristol maybe? that would be something :) [01:26] sebsebseb rasengan: it should be Bristol yes :) [01:30] baronhk[m]1 25 GB for "previous Windows installation". [01:30] baronhk[m]1 Yeah, get rid of that. [01:32] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [01:33] kingoffrance even ppl who say "everything cmoes down to physical borders, some real server at some point" ....doesnt modern world have extradition agreements? [01:33] kingoffrance i mean even if that was true, theres still other things that make it "global" [01:33] XRevan86 baronhk[m]1: What if ye'd want to revert to the previous installation that is virtually identical to the current one? [01:34] baronhk[m]1 I guess I just have to live without the remote display model from Windows 2000. [01:34] kingoffrance i would agree with that "class based on behavior better than being for or against specific orgs" if you changed it to "ideas, regardless where they come from" [01:35] kingoffrance discussion is supposed to be about ideas [01:36] kingoffrance the "persons" of all kinds pushing them come and go [01:37] baronhk[m]1 Microsoft Edge (not responding)? [01:37] baronhk[m]1 That's my favorite app! [01:37] baronhk[m]1 Right after Firefox (not responding)! [01:39] MinceR :> [01:40] MinceR don't you love applications with no name and a generic icon keeping you from shutting the system down? :> [01:41] techrights-bot Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151412 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [01:42] techrights-bot #Kubernetes Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151411 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kubernetes Leftovers | Tux Machines [01:42] techrights-bot #OpenHardware /Modding: #RISCV , #Arduino , and #RaspberryPi http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151410 #TuxMachines [01:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware/Modding: RISC-V, Arduino, and Raspberry Pi | Tux Machines [01:42] techrights-bot #FreeSoftware Leftovers and Issues http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151409 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software Leftovers and Issues | Tux Machines [01:42] techrights-bot #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151408 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [01:47] baronhk[m]1 It would be funnier if there was even a reason to put most Linux distros on the computer to replace this piece of shit these days. [01:47] baronhk[m]1 Unfortunately, the inmates took over the asylum a long time ago and have reimplemented all of the bad ideas, and have still done less QA on those versions than the ones in Windows 10. [01:47] baronhk[m]1 It's finally come to a head at Ubuntu. [01:48] baronhk[m]1 systemdunce keeps stopping my computers from shutting down successfully, even 8 years later, and there's just no indication they'll ever patch that. [01:48] baronhk[m]1 And Fatpaking your programs is all the rage now. [01:48] baronhk[m]1 It's getting worse than Windows in some ways. [01:49] MinceR yeah [01:49] baronhk[m]1 The Onedrive application icon is back in the start menu. [01:49] baronhk[m]1 But it does nothing since I removed it previously. [01:50] techrights-bot Links 21/5/2021: #LibreELEC (Matrix) 10.0 Beta 3 and #PostgreSQL 14 Beta 1 http://techrights.org/2021/05/20/postgresql-14-beta-1/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/20/postgresql-14-beta-1/ [01:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 21/5/2021: LibreELEC (Matrix) 10.0 Beta 3 and PostgreSQL 14 Beta 1 | Techrights ● May 21 [02:01] baronhk[m]1 https://www.npr.org/2021/05/20/998660102/oregone-7-oregon-counties-vote-to-back-seceding-so-citizens-can-vote-gop-in-idah [02:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.npr.org | Oregone? 7 Oregon Counties Vote To Back Seceding, So Citizens Can Vote GOP In Idaho : NPR [02:02] baronhk[m]1 No chance of it, but it's interesting to note that much of the opposition was because they can sell weed to people from Idaho and they wouldn't be able to if the border changed. [02:03] kingoffrance :/ [02:03] kingoffrance i dont think legal or not is gonna stop anything :) [02:06] baronhk[m]1 Well, they pour over into the counties adjacent to the states where it is illegal and buy weed there. [02:06] baronhk[m]1 Illinois has sold more than $180 million in weed to Indiana in the first full year our legalization law was in effect. [02:07] baronhk[m]1 The Indiana state government can prosecute people who come in with it, but their law enforcement expenses are racking up while we get their cash. [02:08] baronhk[m]1 I'm sorry, $180 million is out of state total. [02:08] baronhk[m]1 But a lot of that is IN, because there's really four state borders around us and that's where the majority goes. [02:08] baronhk[m]1 We'd be selling more to Indiana except it's also legal in Michigan, so some people buy it there because it's closer. [02:09] baronhk[m]1 Abortion will be the same if Roe gets struck down. They'll just open more clinics right across the state line. [02:09] baronhk[m]1 Stallman pointed out that Texas is trying to pass a law where anyone can sue anyone for $10,000 if they get an abortion or assist with one. [02:10] MinceR the freedom to sue people for getting or assisting an abortion [02:10] baronhk[m]1 Basically, under that law if a woman gets an abortion in Texas, I could file a lawsuit in a Texas court against both the doctor and her even though I don't even know her. [02:11] MinceR the freedom to practice their religion, their way [02:11] baronhk[m]1 Well, I think all it will do is silence the women who go out of state, because the state still has to gather evidence to bring it into court as a crime. [02:11] baronhk[m]1 Theoretically, if Roe is struck down, states could pass laws making it a crime to, as a resident, get an abortion out of state. [02:12] baronhk[m]1 How do they enforce that? People narcing on themselves on Social Media would be one way. [02:12] baronhk[m]1 Right now, even though having sex with a 17 year old is legal in Illinois, they can still charge you with crimes for it. [02:13] baronhk[m]1 Contributing to the delinquency of a minor, traveling to meet a minor, potentially kidnapping, so you have a lot of exposure, but what's the most interesting as it relates to a state's ability to prosecute a crime is "traveling". [02:13] baronhk[m]1 Texas could say "Traveling to obtain an abortion." is an offense. [02:14] baronhk[m]1 How could they enforce it? The travel to obtain an abortion would have to be related to Texas in some way, they would have to prove you traveled somehow and some distance, and they would have to prove what your primary intent for the travel was. [02:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.55 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 50.58 swarm size (avg): 225.23 [02:15] baronhk[m]1 So basically, you would need to not tell anyone where you were going or why, leave your cell phone at home, don't ever talk about the abortion on an electronic communications device, and preferably find an abortion clinic that destroys patient records quickly even though it is out of state and those records should be covered under HIPAA. [02:16] baronhk[m]1 It would also help if you went over there to go shopping or something first and then decided to get the abortion while you were already there, as far as your defense in court. [02:17] baronhk[m]1 Stallman says don't be tracked, pay cash. [02:17] baronhk[m]1 If you're out of state without permission on probation, your probation officer tends to find out if they want to violate it for something. How? [02:18] baronhk[m]1 You're no longer subject to the fourth amendment while you're on probation. If they ask for bank records or cell phone records or anything, they get them because they don't need a warrant. You signed that to avoid going to jail. [02:18] baronhk[m]1 It means keep the cell phone at home, don't let anyone take pictures of you out of state, and if you stop for gas or food, pay cash. [02:19] *koo6 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [02:21] baronhk[m]1 Somehow, asking for permission to be in Indiana sounded better in court as "My elderly mother lives there, I have no family in Illinois, and I will stay living here and follow your laws." than "Mom's dropping off her car here and I need to drop her back off in Indiana so I can stop paying the car loan and drive around with my ex's car, who is the reason why I'm here, to make him squirm, while I'm not making the [02:21] baronhk[m]1 payments.". [02:22] baronhk[m]1 MinceR: It's not what you say. It's how you say it. [02:22] baronhk[m]1 And in all things, it's the thought that counts. [02:24] baronhk[m]1 I didn't plug my phone into the car's navigation system because I was worried that it might pass it along to the finance company where the car was at by retrieving GPS coordinates from the phone through Android Auto. [02:24] MinceR :> [02:25] MinceR the car doesn't have a GPS receiver of its own? [02:25] baronhk[m]1 I don't think so. They were calling me every day for almost 5 months asking where it was at. [02:25] baronhk[m]1 I told them I'd tell them when I got around to doing so. [02:26] baronhk[m]1 Eventually, I drove it down to Joliet and stripped the plates off and canceled the insurance and abandoned it on a dealer lot. Told them they could pick it up there. [02:27] baronhk[m]1 So they charged John for late payments, late payment fees, garaging at the dealership, new plates, a new insurance policy, and he had to take a day off work and ride Metra down to Joliet. [02:27] baronhk[m]1 Which is about 4.5 hours from Fox Lake changing commuter trains once. [02:27] MinceR in my car, buying the satellite navigation option is equivalent to getting an SD card with the maps on it [02:28] MinceR the car already has everything else necessary for it [02:28] baronhk[m]1 My car now has dials and buttons on it. [02:28] baronhk[m]1 And a tape player. [02:29] baronhk[m]1 The mechanic said he'd buy it from me. I said I didn't want something new. [02:29] baronhk[m]1 They always figure out how to make new things worse than an old thing with a lot of miles. [02:31] MinceR :> [02:33] sebsebseb soon it will be the old skool stuff left on freenode [02:33] sebsebseb but not ubuntu [02:33] sebsebseb and eveyhting els else where :D [02:33] sebsebseb techrights will become the most popular channel on freenode ! [02:34] kingoffrance lol yeah im kind of wondering if thats how it will play out [02:34] sebsebseb except i have just been trying to get onto the new network and guess what [02:34] sebsebseb it's not been working [02:34] sebsebseb nice website for it though :) [02:35] sebsebseb kingoffrance: yep when it goes that way i will make a system d lovers channel decidated to mincer on freenode too :D [02:35] sebsebseb anad one for Apple as well again dedicated to MinceR [02:36] baronhk[m]1 Ubuntu is already a Matrix channel, mostly. [02:36] sebsebseb ubuntu is going to move to the other network it seems [02:36] sebsebseb going by what i have seen [02:37] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-200521.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-200521.txt Read the log now... 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[02:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Thursday, May 20, 2021 [02:39] sebsebseb MinceR: Ubuntu iss going strong [02:39] sebsebseb one of the most popular desktop distros still [02:39] baronhk[m]1 Maybe Microsoft fixed Chuckdisk /f so it doesn't destroy SSDs. [02:39] sebsebseb and reasonably popular for servers and that too [02:40] sebsebseb baronhk[m]1: uhmm soon you can do fsck in the windows terminal using the linux tools i expect :d [02:40] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-200521.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-200521.txt Read the log now... [02:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Thursday, May 20, 2021 [02:40] sebsebseb baronhk[m]1: in fact you may be able to do that alrady [02:40] sebsebseb in windows 10 [02:40] MinceR sebsebseb: yeah, and billions of flies like to eat shit [02:41] sebsebseb and eating fies is apparnaty going to be good when lack of meat and things i read the other week [02:41] MinceR sebsebseb: but again, windows, which is idolized by systemd people, is more popular than ubuntu [02:42] sebsebseb MinceR: uh windows dones't have system d ? [02:42] sebsebseb :D [02:42] sebsebseb or pulse audio [02:42] sebsebseb or not yet [02:42] sebsebseb ha [02:42] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-05-20.txt [02:42] baronhk[m]1 Bill Gates suggested eating bugs to deal with rampant poverty in formerly first world countries. [02:42] baronhk[m]1 Very philanthropic of him. [02:42] XRevan86 rasengan: What was that about approinting new admins bypassing the staff though? I quoted a mention of that earlier. [02:43] MinceR sebsebseb: it does, if you use WSL2 [02:43] MinceR then again, you can also run ubuntu on WSL2 [02:43] MinceR and have a whole pile of crapware crawling on top of each other [02:43] sebsebseb and KDE GNOME etc or soon [02:43] MinceR you mean only gnome [02:43] MinceR since everything else is heresy [02:44] sebsebseb Mincer OS based on ubuntu via WSL 2 yep that's coming soon [02:44] sebsebseb and it has system d nad pulse audio as part of it [02:44] sebsebseb MinceR: it even has a brown colour scheme all over the place :D [02:44] sebsebseb a bit like the old ubuntu [02:44] sebsebseb but that was nice [02:44] MinceR weird [02:44] sebsebseb I am talking about uhmm a even more brown theme [02:45] MinceR i thought they replaced that long ago [02:45] sebsebseb they did [02:45] sebsebseb with some purple aburgine thing [02:45] sebsebseb with some oragne in it too since a community [02:45] sebsebseb company purple aburgine, community orange [02:45] sebsebseb but in MinceR OS things look old skool, well even worse than old skool [02:45] MinceR there's no MinceR OS yet [02:46] sebsebseb there is it's based on ubuntu [02:46] MinceR and it won't be called that anyway [02:46] MinceR and it probably won't have Linux in it either, let alone systemd or gnome [02:46] sebsebseb its a bit ike hannah montanta os of 2009, excpt hannah montana os was actsaull good for what it was :) [02:46] sebsebseb oh right the windows kenrel instead i see or the old one, since windows will have gone linux by then :D [02:47] sebsebseb they will open source the old kenrel for fun [02:47] sebsebseb React OS will use it [02:47] sebsebseb they will blame bugs on MinceR [02:47] sebsebseb they Microsoft, but also React OS, and also the other creaters of mincer os [02:48] MinceR no, if you want windows, you'd better get windows [02:48] sebsebseb then when people want a theme change, they can get one that will make it look like Mac OS X [02:49] MinceR what's the point of making derivatives of an OS in a cult where "fragmentation" is evil and so is choice? [02:50] sebsebseb let me ask your co founder of MinceR OS who has asked to stay anoymous [02:50] sebsebseb he says for fun and a laiugh, espeically with MinceR OS and even more so that it's based on ubuntu [02:50] sebsebseb and has system d and pulse audio in it and even that optional mac os x thems, basically various things you hate [02:50] MinceR gnome doesn't ship with OSuX theme yet? [02:51] sebsebseb nope but been able to make it look like a mac for years [02:51] XRevan86 It's disturbing that Andrew's version of events omits that admin bit altogether. [02:51] MinceR what's so difficult to do about it? [02:52] sebsebseb XRevan86: for that one it's do you trust what rasengan says, or the former freenode staff, and why [02:52] MinceR sebsebseb: how can i trust any of them? as far as i can tell, there's no way to verify them independently [02:53] XRevan86 sebsebseb: I have no reason to trust or not trust either party. They even both be more or less right, different pespectives paint different pictures. [02:54] sebsebseb yep that's why going back to the other subject, they have the mac os x hteme by default in MinceR OS, to paint a differnet picture as well :) [02:54] baronhk[m]1 Just like in North Korea. [02:54] MinceR :> [02:54] MinceR they didn't quite get it right in Red Star OS [02:55] *sebsebseb loves MinceR really :D :) ha ha [02:55] sebsebseb they need to sort out their serers for libera oterwise there isn't much of a network [02:55] sebsebseb i treid to get on a few times earlier and nope [02:55] sebsebseb or i got on but not for long or kind of on even eventually [02:57] sebsebseb MinceR: Apple [02:57] sebsebseb MinceR: IBM [02:58] sebsebseb MinceR: Microsoft [02:58] sebsebseb MinceR: Canonical [02:58] sebsebseb MinceR: Oraacle [02:58] MinceR sebsebseb: you've failed, you're out [02:58] sebsebseb I can think of more tech comapnies if that's what you mean [02:59] MinceR those are not tech companies [02:59] sebsebseb Google, Twiteter, Facebok [02:59] sebsebseb Zoom [02:59] MinceR 3 misspellings already [02:59] sebsebseb LG, Sony, Huwaaii, [02:59] sebsebseb Twitter is a typo ● May 21 [03:00] *sebsebseb rasengan will make MinceR the new God of freenode but its not time yet, whatch out XRevan86 when that happens :d :) [03:02] sebsebseb not sleeping yet, but want to do some other things tonight etc, so may as well leave for now actsaully [03:02] sebsebseb i only really cme on earlier since the annoucement i had seen anyway [03:02] *sebsebseb has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [03:03] techrights-ipfs Gemini requests since start of month: 99132 total Total pages: 35635 Active: active (running) since Fri 2021-03-26 00:17:05 GMT; 1 months 25 days ago [03:03] techrights-ipfs IPFS local node stats (past 23 hours) calculated. 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In the same way that cancel RMS [09:18] opal these really arent analogous [09:35] schestowitz__ they are not [09:36] opal also hi schestowitz__ [09:36] schestowitz__ but there are some points along the way that are similar, like the groupthink [09:36] opal you get around :D [09:36] schestowitz__ opal: [09:36] schestowitz__ hi [09:36] schestowitz__ do you want to read a draft of my next post on this? [09:36] opal sure [09:36] schestowitz__ just finished typing, one sec [09:36] schestowitz__ it expands on the RMS thing [09:36] opal i dont agree with everything that either side is doing, but the general sentiment that freenode has endured a hostile takeover is still there [09:37] schestowitz__ it started with dispute, citing "FSF" [09:37] schestowitz__ fearing hostile takeover [09:37] opal i think that part is hard to argue [09:37] opal lee bribed several people and groups, including alpine linux [09:37] schestowitz__ consensus isn't always truth [09:37] schestowitz__ he did not [09:37] opal you heard something different from alpine? [09:37] schestowitz__ someone who works for his brother, separate company, offered things [09:37] schestowitz__ but it was turned down [09:37] opal oh [09:38] opal so not lee [09:38] schestowitz__ mostly op privs [09:38] schestowitz__ not money [09:38] opal lee actually offered me a staff position here and i intend to take it and at least try to place some order back into freenode [09:39] schestowitz__ my draft is ready [09:39] opal ive been here for a decade so i know how freenode operates [09:39] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2021/05/21/freenode-facts/ [09:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Freenode Users Exodus as Self-Fulfilling Prophecy Boosted by Those Looking to Gain | Techrights [09:39] schestowitz__ have a quick look pls [09:39] opal i'll read [09:39] schestowitz__ there will be typos, report if you see them [09:39] schestowitz__ opal: we are 'selfish', we want stability [09:39] opal (btw do you object to using https on the site) [09:39] schestowitz__ Free software projects don't want to deal with abuse of people like christel [09:40] schestowitz__ opal: no, no objection, technical reasons [09:40] schestowitz__ gemini uses tls [09:40] schestowitz__ gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/21/freenode-facts/ [09:40] opal yeah and i'd be willing to work toward stability on here [09:42] opal not a typo but might be worded better: [09:42] opal For those who claim that Freenodes violates privacy [09:42] opal freenode's what [09:42] schestowitz__ ah, yes, typo [09:43] opal ah [09:43] opal so i was wrong, it was a typo :D [09:43] opal > PIA snooping evidence was allegedly fabricated [09:43] opal that's interesting but i don't think i came across that [09:43] opal maybe i did but years ago [09:43] opal in any case i didnt pay it much mind [09:43] opal i believe the snoonet change of ownership logs were legit though [09:46] opal going through the pdf as well [09:52] trttl >Theyve repeatedly proven, even in court, that they dont log. [09:52] trttl this is inaccurate [09:55] trttl iirc an employee or someone affiliated with pia at the time said something in court (as a witness? not sure) that to the best of their knowledge pia doesn't log [09:55] opal if logs havent (so far) been divulged then i guess thats all we can go by [09:56] schestowitz__ can you link it? [09:56] trttl i understand but the wording is not accurate in my opinion [09:56] opal absence of evidence isnt evidence of absence, etc [09:56] schestowitz__ I did not read about the incident you refer to [09:56] opal i just dont like commercial vpns :p [09:56] schestowitz__ me neither [09:56] trttl i can't. there was a discussion about this on the pia forums but those got nuked [09:57] schestowitz__ but PIA is afaik one of the few legit ones [09:57] schestowitz__ I need some form of evidence [09:57] schestowitz__ rasengan might be able to comment [09:59] techrights-bot The Freenode Users Exodus as Self-Fulfilling Prophecy Boosted by Those Looking to Gain http://techrights.org/2021/05/21/freenode-facts/ #Techrights #IRC #freenode #racism | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/21/freenode-facts/ [09:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Freenode Users Exodus as Self-Fulfilling Prophecy Boosted by Those Looking to Gain | Techrights ● May 21 [10:02] trttl i think looking into that a bit deeper would worth it because.. there used to be a different story circling around originating from a (supposedly?) ex-employee which contradicts the no-log "proof" [10:04] trttl but i don't know the details and never cared enough to investigate it because it didn't concern me. i'm not and never been their customer [10:15] techrights-bot The Mob Rushes in Where Individuals Fear to Tread. B.F. Skinner, Walden Two http://techrights.org/2021/05/21/think-about-facts/ #Techrights #freenode #irc | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/21/think-about-facts/ [10:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Mob Rushes in Where Individuals Fear to Tread. B.F. Skinner, Walden Two | Techrights [10:15] schestowitz__ trttl: I'm all ears [10:16] schestowitz__ the burden of proof is on the "accuser" :-) [10:16] schestowitz__ I've seen no evidence, not even indireact [10:16] schestowitz__ anything more than 'gossip' would be more than indirect [10:16] schestowitz__ maybe in some cases config errors led to unintended logging [10:16] schestowitz__ but afaik it's not their policy [10:17] schestowitz__ their business would collapse if that was to happen and word came out [10:24] techrights-bot Too much #microsoft #windows #mono and #dotnet in Gemini mailing lists lately. Also, #deletegithub (we don't want Gemini to go that way; it would put geeks off). [10:25] trttl i'm not accusing anyone with anything and i pretty much implied i don't know whether there's more to this than just unfounded gossip or not [10:25] trttl but something you might want to check if you mention it in an article [10:27] trttl >[a vpn] business would collapse if that was to happen and word came out - if this was true then nordvpn wouldn't exist [10:29] schestowitz__ "there are some Freenode-related links in the Politics section, they might be removed" [10:29] schestowitz__ my friend considers this whole thing "politics" [10:30] schestowitz__ trttl: is it profitable though? [10:30] schestowitz__ some vpns merely INCREASE the spying, adding to the ISP's [10:30] schestowitz__ like the one Facebook was pushing [10:31] techrights-bot "i guess they don't get paid to cancel gates" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-190521.html#tMay%2019%2023:42:25 [10:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Wednesday, May 19, 2021 [10:34] trttl they have a vpn service now? [10:37] schestowitz__ let me find it... [10:38] schestowitz__ https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/29/facebook-project-atlas/ [10:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Facebook pays teens to install VPN that spies on them TechCrunch [10:38] schestowitz__ https://techcrunch.com/2019/02/21/facebook-removes-onavo/ [10:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Facebook will shut down its spyware VPN app Onavo TechCrunch [10:38] schestowitz__ https://www.hotspotshield.com/blog/facebook-privacy-spying-protect/ [10:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hotspotshield.com | Heres how Facebook is spying on you, and what you can do to stop it | Hotspot Shield VPN [10:38] schestowitz__ https://www.forbes.com/sites/leemathews/2019/02/22/facebook-to-shut-down-vpn-app-that-let-it-spy-on-users/ [10:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | Facebook To Shut Down VPN App That Let It Spy On Users [10:38] schestowitz__ https://www.csoonline.com/article/3337456/facebook-secretly-paid-users-20-a-month-to-use-vpn-spying-app.html [10:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.csoonline.com | Facebook secretly paid users $20 a month to use VPN spying app | CSO Online [10:39] schestowitz__ https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/how-to-stop-facebook-from-spying-on-your-internet-activity [10:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to Stop Facebook From Spying on Your Internet Activity | PCMag [10:39] schestowitz__ https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/263867-facebooks-new-onavo-protect-vpn-spyware-application [10:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Facebook's New 'Onavo Protect' VPN is a Spyware App - ExtremeTech [10:39] schestowitz__ https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/08/23/apple-finally-takes-down-facebooks-vpn-spying-app.aspx [10:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple Finally Takes Down Facebook's VPN Spying App | The Motley Fool [10:39] schestowitz__ https://www.howtogeek.com/342731/dont-use-facebooks-onavo-vpn-its-designed-to-spy-on-you/ [10:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.howtogeek.com | Dont Use Facebooks Onavo VPN: Its Designed to Spy On You [10:42] trttl kek [10:44] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [10:44] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights ● May 21 [11:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 18.26 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 94.80 swarm size (avg): 225.61 [11:53] techrights-bot #ibm #exodus "But to have as high attrition rates as we did in the past year? In the middle of a #pandemic that all but destroyed the job market? Now that's telling." #redhat https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aXWweHP [11:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | The best indicator of IBM's state - post regarding IBM layoffs [11:56] techrights-bot Emulate the #Sinclair ZX81 home computer with #GNU #Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151419 #TuxMachines [11:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Emulate the Sinclair ZX81 home computer with Linux | Tux Machines [11:56] techrights-bot 2-key mechanical #USB keypad runs #QMK firmware (Crowdfunding) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151418 #TuxMachines [11:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 2-key mechanical USB keypad runs QMK firmware (Crowdfunding) | Tux Machines [11:57] techrights-bot Why I Switched from #Ubuntu to Manjaro, Personal Story http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/15141 #linux #TuxMachines [11:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The KDE 3.5 Control Center - Part 2 - Desktop | Tux Machines [11:58] techrights-bot #IPFire 2.25 - Core Update 157 available for testing http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151420 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [11:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IPFire 2.25 - Core Update 157 available for testing | Tux Machines [11:58] techrights-bot Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151421 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [11:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [11:59] techrights-bot 10 Best #Webmin Alternative tools for #Ubuntu or Linux Servers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151422 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [11:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 10 Best Webmin Alternative tools for Ubuntu or Linux Servers | Tux Machines ● May 21 [12:00] techrights-bot #Entroware Unveils New Proteus Linux Laptop Powered by Ubuntu 20.04 LTS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151425 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [12:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Entroware Unveils New Proteus Linux Laptop Powered by Ubuntu 20.04 LTS | Tux Machines [12:00] techrights-bot #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151424 #Linux #TuxMachines [12:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [12:00] techrights-bot #Garuda Desktops Put a New Spin on Linux Looks http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151423 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [12:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Garuda Desktops Put a New Spin on Linux Looks | Tux Machines [12:10] techrights-bot The illegal #surveillance by Europes second-largest institution was a culmination of dictatorial despotism by the institution entrusted to grant patents correctly while respecting the independence of judges http://techrights.org/2021/05/21/eba-letter/ #Techrights #epo #corruption | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/21/eba-letter/ [12:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs War on Justice and Assault on the Law Part 15: The EBA Letter of 8 December 2014 | Techrights [12:10] techrights-bot How the #EPO turned or morphed from patent office into printing press for grifting politicians like #BenotBattistelli and #AntnioCampinos http://techrights.org/2021/05/21/epo-gone-irrational/ #Techrights | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/21/epo-gone-irrational/ [12:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Rational Patent Office Gone Irrational | Techrights [12:12] techrights-bot Take a moment to study what actually begets the current split; the grievances dont merit a fragmentation, which the communities around #Freesoftware arent likely to benefit from http://techrights.org/2021/05/21/freenode-facts/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/21/freenode-facts/ [12:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Freenode Users Exodus as Self-Fulfilling Prophecy Boosted by Those Looking to Gain | Techrights [12:12] techrights-bot People may fear defending #Freenode (its an unpopular position at the moment), but facts must matter, not caricatures of people with class stigma and racial stereotypes http://techrights.org/2021/05/21/think-about-facts/ #Techrights | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/21/think-about-facts/ [12:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Mob Rushes in Where Individuals Fear to Tread. 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Skinner, Walden Two | Techrights [12:33] *koo6 (~koo6@89-24-13-235.customers.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights ● May 21 [13:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 19.15 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 52.76 swarm size (avg): 225.65 [13:35] *alextee (alextee@gateway/vpn/nordvpn/alextee) has joined #techrights [13:49] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [13:54] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights ● May 21 [14:12] techrights-bot NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #au When Aussies Face a Blocked Pirate Site, 59% Simply Give Up & Don't Try Legal Options https://torrentfreak.com/when-aussies-face-a-blocked-pirate-site-59-simply-give-up-dont-try-legal-options-210520/ [14:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-When Aussies Face a Blocked Pirate Site, 59% Simply Give Up & Don't Try Legal Options * TorrentFreak [14:13] techrights-bot NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights # Member of Busted Scene Piracy Group SPARKS Avoids Prison Sentence https://torrentfreak.com/member-of-busted-scene-piracy-group-sparks-avoids-prison-sentence-210520/ [14:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Member of Busted Scene Piracy Group SPARKS Avoids Prison Sentence * TorrentFreak [14:13] techrights-bot NEWS #Techdirt #Privacy #Surveillance Defense Department Is Buying Domestic #Internet Metadata From Data Brokers https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210513/16422746798/defense-department-is-buying-domestic-internet-metadata-data-brokers.shtml [14:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Defense Department Is Buying Domestic Internet Metadata From Data Brokers | Techdirt [14:16] techrights-bot NEWS #TheNation #billgates #gatesfoundation #corruption The Fall of the House of Gates? https://www.thenation.com/article/society/gates-me-too-divorce/ [14:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | The Fall of the House of Gates? | The Nation [14:16] *inky (~inky@141.136.77.22) has joined #techrights [14:17] techrights-bot NEWS #EFF Fighting Disciplinary Technologies https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/05/fighting-disciplinary-technologies "monitoring performance, confirming compliance...." 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China's new privacy law includes a rule for handling personal information after death [14:21] techrights-bot iophk: without using the same words, he's as vehement about Software Freedom as RMS https://odysee.com/@RobBraxmanTech:6/botnet:e [14:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Big Tech Botnets - The Fearsome New Technology [14:33] *baronhk[m]1 < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/NQPTbmWzYWZMVbFIjhAjQXsx/message.txt > [14:35] techrights-bot #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151428 #Linux #TuxMachines [14:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [14:35] techrights-bot #KDE s Author Avatars and Not Phoning Home http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151427 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE's Author Avatars and Not Phoning Home | Tux Machines [14:35] techrights-bot #Entroware Proteus is a Linux Laptop for Getting Things Done http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151426 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Entroware Proteus is a Linux Laptop for Getting Things Done | Tux Machines [14:35] baronhk[m]1 The truth is that Apple can't guarantee that iOS is free of malware because they couldn't pay people who understand how to read code to sit there and review every app submission, line by line. There's not enough money. There's not even enough people in the world. [14:36] baronhk[m]1 And it's interesting that they never claimed iOS was malware-free in their testimony, only that it was less of a problem due to the lockdown. [14:37] baronhk[m]1 Which means that they felt they would perjure themselves in court and someone would expose them, had they dared to swear by the handshake promise made to iPhone users. [14:38] baronhk[m]1 Perjury and the articles that would follow would have been far worse for them than admitting that malware is a problem on the Mac, which they aren't even focused on anymore anyway. [14:39] baronhk[m]1 It's not difficult to see where macOS is heading. In ten years, it probably won't exist. Apple will move people over to iOS on an iPad and say dock a keyboard and here's XCode for development. [14:39] baronhk[m]1 Because those processors will be powerful enough then. [14:39] techrights-bot #ChromeOS support for Linux apps will exit beta in a few weeks http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151386#comment-29713 #gnu #linux [14:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Chrome OSs Linux app support is leaving beta | Tux Machines [14:42] *tr_guest|45953 (49b9ede3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.73.185.237.227) has joined #techrights [14:43] *tr_guest|45953 has quit (Client Quit) [14:45] techrights-bot Leaky and Freaky Patent Office http://techrights.org/2021/05/21/european-patent-office-feaks-out/ #Techrights #swpats #patents #europe #corruption | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/21/european-patent-office-feaks-out/ [14:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Leaky and Freaky Patent Office | Techrights [14:48] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [14:54] baronhk[m]1 schestowitz__: https://wgntv.com/news/child-marriage-is-currently-legal-in-46-states/ [14:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | Child marriage is currently legal in 46 states | WGN-TV [14:54] baronhk[m]1 Here's my reply: [14:54] *baronhk[m]1 < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/niMApjXpnnlXACwiQXrvrizW/message.txt > [14:55] schestowitz__ "You mean Jeff Epstein's friend, Bill Gates. THE Bill Gates that is now exposed a a sex predator who went around trawling Microsoft for vulnerable women while he had been married for years? The Bill Gates that said he taught his daughter about sex at 7?" [14:55] schestowitz__ his wife said that [14:55] schestowitz__ not bill [14:57] baronhk[m]1 The whole thing is a lot, A LOT, creepier than a 17 year old marrying a 21 year old. [14:57] baronhk[m]1 They try to deflect from the Epstein connection now by complaining about "child marriage laws". [14:58] baronhk[m]1 Which, again, in no state is under 16 and they all have multiple safeguards to make sure it's not some guy in a free candy van. [14:59] baronhk[m]1 I would argue that child molesters are not generally going to try to marry a 16=17 year old for sex. [14:59] baronhk[m]1 By that age, they've lost interest. The whole child predator thing revolves around a sick attraction to people who do not have adult physical features so why would they marry a 17 year old? ● May 21 [15:00] schestowitz__ so gates foundation now lobbies on child marriage? [15:00] schestowitz__ I did not open the link btw [15:00] baronhk[m]1 Yeah, apparently. [15:01] techrights-bot ...so #gatesfoundation now lobbies on child marriage. Utterly disgusting. It this the strategy of #billgates now? Legalising his mate Epstein? Posthumously. [15:01] schestowitz__ "Our European visitors are important to us." [15:01] schestowitz__ I cannot access the article [15:02] baronhk[m]1 Gates is apparently "on the side of the children". (Sure.) [15:02] baronhk[m]1 The study bemoans that out of over 300,000 marriages to people 16-18 in the US in the last 20 years or so, 60,000 would have been sex crimes in the jurisdiction had they occurred outside of marriage. [15:03] techrights-bot Response to article "Child marriage is currently legal in 46 states" (linked to #gatesfoundation money) https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/niMApjXpnnlXACwiQXrvrizW/message.txt #billgates [15:03] baronhk[m]1 Well, that's an awful lot like saying gee, if that $5,000 I walked out of the bank with had been at gunpoint instead of a deposit slip drawn on my account, it would have been bank robbery! [15:03] techrights-bot #TuxedoInfinity Book Pro 14 Linux laptop launched with 3K LTPS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151387#comment-29715 #gnu #linux [15:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | TUXEDOs Latest Linux Laptop is All About the Screen | Tux Machines [15:04] schestowitz__ baronhk[m]1: how will that improve things for him? [15:04] schestowitz__ people online would leap at this [15:04] schestowitz__ and use that as more proof that he supports sickness [15:04] schestowitz__ well, other than covid [15:04] schestowitz__ "love child" [15:04] schestowitz__ anyway [15:04] schestowitz__ back on topic... [15:04] baronhk[m]1 Deflect. Make it look like states sanction "sickness" when there's no evidence of this. [15:05] baronhk[m]1 His ties to Epstein don't look so bad if the states allow "child marriage". [15:06] schestowitz__ this will eb the downhall of this "foundation" [15:06] baronhk[m]1 Sex within marriage is viewed differently by the community than sex outside of marriage, which is why it wouldn't be a crime if you are married to that 16 year old. I also would add, again, that it requires parental approval and a judge agreeing to it. [15:06] schestowitz__ as it would embolden people who accuse him of doing things to underage girls/boys [15:06] baronhk[m]1 You don't just slip this one past everybody. [15:06] schestowitz__ the arrest in his home notwithstanding [15:06] schestowitz__ anyway, he's finished [15:06] schestowitz__ I hope [15:06] schestowitz__ but still no "remove Gates" petition [15:07] schestowitz__ mjg59 must still be working on the wording.... [15:07] MinceR :> [15:07] MinceR maybe he's just discussing the price [15:07] baronhk[m]1 He's too busy playing with his doorbell. [15:07] MinceR lol [15:09] schestowitz__ lol [15:09] MinceR https://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/You-Are-Here.jpg [15:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.20 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 26.70 swarm size (avg): 225.70 [15:17] techrights-bot Europes second-largest institution freaks out, seeing that its #corruption is visible for all to see; in the process it resorts to intensive spying on bloggers and even banning of blogs Leaky and Freaky Patent Office http://techrights.org/2021/05/21/european-patent-office-feaks-out/ #Techrights #EPO #censorship #slapp | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/ [15:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Leaky and Freaky Patent Office | Techrights [15:18] techrights-bot "Attrition is really bad... the VP of C&CS Automation (Al Martin) is tracking 'regretted attrition'... who would have thought #IBM would come to that point!!!" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aXWweHP#replies [15:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | The best indicator of IBM's state - post regarding IBM layoffs [15:19] techrights-bot "It is complete BS. Reason is Ibm spends a fortune on #LinkedIn advertisement." #ibm #microsoft #spam https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aX7i8Z8#replies [15:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Top Companies 2021: The 50 best workplaces to grow your career in the U.S. - post regarding IBM layoffs [15:21] techrights-bot I know, I am here, therefore I hear, therefore I am. https://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/You-Are-Here.jpg [15:23] psydroid Baron's story sounds like mine, my mom had 3 children before the age of 21 and my parents are less than 5 years apart [15:25] baronhk[m]1 We're well into an era where "childhood" is being bumped up into your 20s. [15:25] baronhk[m]1 I think it's a function of people living longer. [15:26] baronhk[m]1 Also, many people have an easier life than ever before (which is why they live longer). [15:27] baronhk[m]1 Where Mandy is from, people die in their 50s all the time and it's just accepted that this is what happens. [15:27] baronhk[m]1 It's really depressing to listen to him sometimes because I start talking about what about when we're in our 60s or 70s and he starts saying I'm not going to live that long. I'll be with my mom and dad soon. [15:28] baronhk[m]1 That's what kind of a mess the Catholics make when they cause a country to toss the condoms aside and ban abortion. [15:28] baronhk[m]1 You have so many kids that you can't care for any of them like you should. [15:29] baronhk[m]1 Resources go a lot further in taking care of 2 of them well than they do when you spread it over 5 or 6. [15:29] baronhk[m]1 My dad's parents had five kids. Didn't take care of any of them properly. [15:29] baronhk[m]1 Half the time there wasn't enough food to go around to get a boloney sandwich. [15:30] schestowitz__ x https://thunderbird.topicbox.com/groups/planning/T45cf6d9d100202e9/lets-use-gpl-libraries-in-thunderbird [15:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thunderbird.topicbox.com | Topicbox [15:30] schestowitz__ # blocked by javascript [15:30] baronhk[m]1 Dad had to go get a job at 13 so he could feed himself. That's also when he started reading books as kind of an escape. [15:30] baronhk[m]1 They had child labor laws back then, but the guy at the TV repair shop just paid him cash. [15:31] schestowitz__ x https://www.thenation.com/article/society/gates-me-too-divorce/ [15:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | The Fall of the House of Gates? | The Nation [15:31] schestowitz__ # gates was always a scumbag. 'hero' is a false, artificially created myth, [15:31] schestowitz__ # bought and paid for with crooked money. [15:31] baronhk[m]1 The disgusting thing about the "tech" economy is that it prevents people from being employed and caring for themselves. [15:31] baronhk[m]1 There's a bigger jobs shortage than ever and they're not coming back. [15:31] MinceR maybe if mainstream media calls attention to what a scumbag gates is, the number of his worshippers will finally decrease [15:32] baronhk[m]1 Wealth concentrates at the top, with people like Gates and Bezos and Tim Cook. [15:32] schestowitz__ MinceR: there's no money in that [15:32] baronhk[m]1 Even in the middle of the Gates scandals, WGN quotes his "foundation". [15:33] baronhk[m]1 They're clearly focused on helping him make this blow over so he can get back to his eugenics and unethical medical experiments and death by patents. "Charity work." [15:33] MinceR schestowitz__: there's always money in scandals and the attention paid to them [15:33] MinceR just not as much as in bribes [15:34] techrights-bot "You can buy Viscerafest on Steam and GOG.com yet. The GOG store page doesn't mention it, but the Linux build is there." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/fast-paced-sci-fi-arena-styled-fps-viscerafest-has-entered-early-access-and-looks-great [15:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fast-paced sci-fi arena-styled FPS Viscerafest has entered Early Access and looks great | GamingOnLinux [15:34] baronhk[m]1 Eugenics is back. It's just less horrifying this time. [15:34] schestowitz__ [15:33] They're clearly focused on helping him make this blow over so he can get back to his eugenics and unethical medical experiments and death by patents. "Charity work." [15:34] schestowitz__ to our credit... :) [15:35] schestowitz__ we covered this ages ago [15:35] schestowitz__ over a decade [15:35] baronhk[m]1 Instead of being held down and physically sterilized, they just make everyone so broke that they restrain themselves from having kids, unless they're middle class or above. [15:35] schestowitz__ those articles aged very well [15:35] schestowitz__ and are even more popular in recent years than a decade back [15:35] schestowitz__ baronhk[m]1: military does that too [15:35] baronhk[m]1 Also, even the MSM admits that more people are having "fertility issues" than ever before. [15:35] schestowitz__ for population control [15:36] baronhk[m]1 Although won't go into the reasons. [15:36] schestowitz__ some do [15:36] schestowitz__ some explain [15:36] schestowitz__ I linked to one yesterday [15:36] schestowitz__ hang on [15:36] baronhk[m]1 It leaves people to guess at what might be causing the sterility. It could be anything, so some people assume it's vaccines. [15:36] schestowitz__ [10:05] NEWS #TheEconomist #Overpopulation Sperm counts are falling precipitously across the rich world https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/05/19/sperm-counts-are-falling-precipitously-across-the-rich-world [15:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sperm counts are falling precipitously across the rich world | The Economist [15:39] techrights-bot "It's releasing on August 31 with #GNU #Linux support on Steam." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/sci-fi-action-rpg-beyond-mankind-launches-with-linux-support-this-august [15:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sci-fi action-RPG Beyond Mankind launches with Linux support this August | GamingOnLinux [15:39] techrights-bot Roguelite village-builder Kainga: Seeds of Civilization sounds unusual and has #GNU #Linux plans https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/roguelite-village-builder-kainga-seeds-of-civilization-sounds-unusual-and-has-linux-plans [15:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Roguelite village-builder Kainga: Seeds of Civilization sounds unusual and has Linux plans | GamingOnLinux [15:41] baronhk[m]1 https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/05/22/rioting-amid-demonstrations-for-racial-justice-may-have-helped-donald-trump [15:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Rioting amid demonstrations for racial justice may have helped Donald Trump | The Economist [15:41] baronhk[m]1 Seeing BLM burn down your city helped Trump there. Go figure. [15:41] trttl >They're clearly focused on helping him make this blow over - just checked bill's wikipedia page. there are exactly 3 sentences about his divorce and the article is locked [15:41] baronhk[m]1 They very nearly caused the second term of Donald Trump. [15:41] techrights-bot "hopefully it will continue the tradition of #GNU #Linux support." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/stellaris-is-free-to-play-for-the-weekend-along-with-a-big-paradox-sale-ahead-of-pdxcon [15:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Stellaris is free to play for the weekend along with a big Paradox sale ahead of PDXCON | GamingOnLinux [15:42] baronhk[m]1 People were very sympathetic to BLM at first, when it was peaceful and when they said stop killing people like Floyd. [15:42] schestowitz__ trttl: locked, except... [15:42] baronhk[m]1 Then when it turned nasty and they started looting and burning, people nearby didn't take kindly to that. People are generally sympathetic, but realize when they're being played for chumps. [15:43] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2021/02/25/cancelled-in-wikipedia/ [15:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | If Wikipedia is Controlled by Corporations and Mobs, It Needs to Be Cancelled | Techrights [15:43] schestowitz__ Lots more in http://techrights.org/category/wikipedia/ [15:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Wikipedia | Techrights [15:43] baronhk[m]1 That's why 22 states are no rejecting the enhanced federal unemployment and making people hunt for jobs. [15:43] schestowitz__ long story short, Microsoft pays people to control and edit Wikipedia [15:43] schestowitz__ and got caught [15:43] baronhk[m]1 *now [15:44] trttl yeah not surprised [15:44] baronhk[m]1 They're clearly focused on help"> Wikipedia. The free encyclopedia that any corporate meat puppets can edit. [15:45] baronhk[m]1 The only edits I make that aren't usually reverted are about Free Software where there's no interest in sanitizing the article. [15:45] baronhk[m]1 When I created a comparison of Snap and Flatpak and it made Snap look worse, Canonical paid someone to come in and revert everything. [15:46] baronhk[m]1 None of what I put in there was false, it just reflected poorly on snapd. [15:46] baronhk[m]1 Every other distribution that offered Snapd has backed it out. [15:47] baronhk[m]1 Linux Mint backed it out and then made a Chromium browser package that always supersedes the empty one that's designed to get the snap on your computer. [15:47] baronhk[m]1 What they ought to do is just ditch the version made with Ubuntu and pivot to Debian. [15:47] baronhk[m]1 The PPAs in Ubuntu are not active like they used to be anyway, so the "compatibility with PPAs" feature is not as attractive. [15:48] MinceR pivoting to debian won't help [15:48] MinceR pivoting to devuan might help, for a while [15:48] techrights-bot NEWS #Techdirt Redditors Launch A 'Rescue Mission' For Embattled #SciHub , With The Ultimate Aim Of Building A Decentralized Version https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210519/06365746826/redditors-launch-rescue-mission-embattled-sci-hub-with-ultimate-aim-building-decentralized-version.shtml [15:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Redditors Launch A 'Rescue Mission' For Embattled Sci-Hub, With The Ultimate Aim Of Building A Decentralized Version | Techdirt [15:48] MinceR void would be a better choice [15:49] schestowitz__ MinceR: they are closely connected in some sense [15:49] baronhk[m]1 IBM operates like the Gates Foundation. [15:49] schestowitz__ afaik, if you use devuan you can quickly migrate to debian if things go under [15:50] baronhk[m]1 "We're donating a billion dollars in development to Linux!" [15:50] schestowitz__ baronhk[m]1: go on [15:50] MinceR yes, but devuan is still trying to remain free of crapware [15:50] schestowitz__ ah, weird analogy [15:50] baronhk[m]1 Then they do and it's never been in a worse state than it is now because of that. [15:50] MinceR ubuntu and debian and fedora are just slowly and laboriously drifting toward becoming yet another windows [15:50] baronhk[m]1 Their calculation of a "billion" in "donations" is investing in what makes their own business work, and that's not usually a good thing for others. [15:51] techrights-bot I am rather disturbed to see #corporateMedia again acting like a loudspeaker/megaphone for #gatesfoundation and this time for #lobbying in FAVOUR of #childMarriage even in light of https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html [15:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His Past - The New York Times [15:51] baronhk[m]1 It's like Microsoft being a "contributor" to Linux, and then it turns out it's just laying the foundations for WSL. [15:52] techrights-bot "I left IBM in 2013 when things started looking shaky, and never looked back - but I still have an #IBM pension, which keeps me interested in the future of the company." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aWJp96w#replies [15:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | So what's going on? - post regarding IBM layoffs [15:52] baronhk[m]1 A billion dollars worth of taking things in the wrong direction is worse for the users than nothing at all. [15:53] techrights-bot " #IBM has dug its own grave through poor leadership." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aXWweHP#replies [15:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | The best indicator of IBM's state - post regarding IBM layoffs [15:53] baronhk[m]1 IBM doesn't make money if everything just works fine and there's no need of support tickets, which is very nearly where Linux was before they started meddling. [15:53] techrights-bot "Omg!!! The discrimination that happened under GINNIs watch and continues under AK does not qualify #IBM to even be considered." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aX7i8Z8#replies [15:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Top Companies 2021: The 50 best workplaces to grow your career in the U.S. - post regarding IBM layoffs [15:54] baronhk[m]1 A long and rewarding career until you're 35. [15:54] baronhk[m]1 Seems to be how things go in tech now. [15:54] baronhk[m]1 Probably why things have gotten so buggy. Inexperienced developers making so many rookie mistakes. [15:54] baronhk[m]1 Keeps salary low [15:54] techrights-bot "Ibm was already stuck in retraining new hires, this issue is going to be exacerbated as the hiring ramps up after covid and #ibm refusing to give an increment even for inflation" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aT6of7F#replies [15:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM is a depressing place to be a developer - post regarding IBM layoffs [15:55] MinceR 21 165139 < baronhk[m]1> It's like Microsoft being a "contributor" to Linux, and then it turns out it's just laying the foundations for WSL. [15:55] MinceR also for hype-V [15:55] MinceR with incredibly crap code [15:55] baronhk[m]1 Hyper-V is how WSL2 works. [15:55] baronhk[m]1 It turned out that their reversed "Linux" kernel simulator was too awful to even run many applications at all. [15:56] MinceR yeah, but this was well before WSL2 [15:56] schestowitz__ WSL is a failiure [15:56] schestowitz__ like many other things [15:56] schestowitz__ inc. azure [15:56] schestowitz__ with its layoffs [15:57] schestowitz__ and layoffs in linkedin also [15:57] schestowitz__ I think Microsoft is like IBM in the sense that much income just comes from "legacy" [15:57] schestowitz__ companies still stuck with Microsoft for some old things [15:57] baronhk[m]1 Leaked email from Chicago Police more or less confirms they're pulling out of certain neighborhoods now and not policing them much. [15:57] baronhk[m]1 "Staffing shortages" [15:58] techrights-bot #Games: Viscerafest, Beyond Mankind, Kainga: Seeds of Civilization, and Stellaris http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151429 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [15:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Viscerafest, Beyond Mankind, Kainga: Seeds of Civilization, and Stellaris | Tux Machines [15:58] baronhk[m]1 schestowitz__: The email says forced overtime this Summer. [15:58] baronhk[m]1 12 hours a day 7 days a week in some cases. [15:59] baronhk[m]1 I wonder if that will make them less twitchy when deciding whether or not to end someone's life. [15:59] baronhk[m]1 This mayor really sucks. ● May 21 [16:01] techrights-bot "Do you want to see other BSD heads online, talk about what you have done since last time?" https://mastodon.social/@pitrh/106266020429761402 #bsd #unix #EuroBSDCon #BSDCon [16:01] *zleap (~zleap@unaffiliated/zleap) has joined #techrights [16:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | Peter N. M. Hansteen: "Do you want to see other BSD heads online, talk a" - Mastodon [16:01] techrights-bot #pakistan #pk https://news.yahoo.com/dozens-held-pakistan-trying-lynch-172915274.html [16:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.yahoo.com | Dozens held in Pakistan for trying to lynch brothers accused of blasphemy - police [16:01] baronhk[m]1 https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/2-dead-after-south-shore-shooting [16:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | 2 dead after South Shore shooting | WGN-TV [16:02] baronhk[m]1 Instead of looking into consensual marriage with judicial and parental safety checks, perhaps the Gates Foundation should look into saving the lives of underaged people in Chicago who pick up a gun because there are no jobs thanks to Democrats. [16:02] techrights-bot "the cloud isn't being overrun with ransomware yet? And from what I've seen, "the cloud" is largely Ubuntu, RHEL, and their variants, and containers built on "bases" from their packages." https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@carl_klitscher/106259555362383745 [16:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.nzoss.nz | carl_klitscher: "@unlofl@mastodon.technology @lightweight the sec" - Mastodon - NZOSS [16:03] techrights-bot "you could all be replacing IRC with MUDs but noooo" https://bsd.network/@pamela/106267250482204163 [16:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bsd.network | pamela :flan_hearts:: "you could all be replacing IRC with MUDs but nooo" - BSD Network [16:03] MinceR lol [16:03] techrights-bot "resolution on sports live streams could have easily been written by industry lobbyists." https://chaos.social/@echo_pbreyer/106268108501270481 #copyright #corruption #entryism #lobbying [16:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patrick Breyer: "@heiseonline@twitter.com This weeks resolution" - chaos.social [16:04] techrights-bot #anthropology https://neritam.wordpress.com/2021/05/20/after-36-years-these-remains-pop-up-on-a-video-to-teach-about-anthropology/ [16:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-neritam.wordpress.com | After 36 years these remains pop up on a video to teach about anthropology neritam [16:04] baronhk[m]1 "Instead of looking into consensual marriage with judicial and parental safety checks, perhaps the Gates Foundation should look into saving the lives of underaged people in Chicago who pick up a gun because there are no jobs thanks to Democrats. [16:04] baronhk[m]1 Pervert Gates is trying to deflect from his ties to Epstein by prying into the sanctity of marriage while his own wife says she's disgusted by being married to a sex predator who trawled Microsoft for "dates" while married." [16:04] techrights-bot "Last Jan, Northwell Health was the subject of a viral New York Times story about the thousands of patients it had sued over medical debt, in the midst of a pandemic. The publicity was so bad that the company abandoned its legal campaign of terror." https://pluralistic.net/2021/05/18/unhealthy-balance-sheet/#health-usury [16:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pluralistic.net | Pluralistic: 18 May 2021 Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow [16:05] baronhk[m]1 "In 11 states, cheating on your spouse is a crime, sometimes a felony. Gates admits that he cheated on his spouse." [16:05] zleap but is that illegal in Washington State > [16:05] zleap ? [16:06] zleap i am sure hanging out with convicted sex offenders is a far more heinous offence regardless of it being illegal or not [16:07] baronhk[m]1 I was wrong. It's 16 states. [16:07] baronhk[m]1 No, not Washington. [16:07] baronhk[m]1 But he was talking about it being a "sex crime" to have sex with a 16 year old in some states. [16:07] zleap hang on tralled for dates, sounds like one of the RMS alegations [16:07] baronhk[m]1 Cheating on MALINDA is technically an offense that can land you in jail in many states. [16:08] techrights-bot Behind the hate against #freenode there's lots of #groupthink [sic] which begets peer pressure. Same thing that was done to #fsf and #rms months ago... [16:08] baronhk[m]1 In North Carolina, you can sue someone for causing your marriage to fall apart. [16:08] zleap well the freenode thingis about it being bought out by corporate entity right [16:08] *downey[i] (sid10506@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zxxsrkcvxqbjnguw) has joined #techrights [16:09] baronhk[m]1 They call it the mother-in-lawsuit. [16:09] zleap lol [16:09] baronhk[m]1 You can file a lawsuit against someone your spouse as cheating on, or anyone who convinced them to leave you. [16:09] baronhk[m]1 *was [16:09] zleap ah [16:09] baronhk[m]1 *on you with, ugh [16:09] baronhk[m]1 Well, I think that should be in every state. [16:10] baronhk[m]1 It's very common to sue someone in NC for causing the marriage to fall apart. [16:10] baronhk[m]1 You can sue your ex, you can sue the person they were cheating on you with, you can sue your mother in law for advising them to file for divorce. [16:10] *phobos (~phobos@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724) has joined #techrights [16:10] baronhk[m]1 Some other states have it too, like 3-4 I think. [16:13] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151430 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [16:14] MinceR 21 170759 < baronhk[m]1> Cheating on MALINDA is technically an offense that can land you in jail in many states. [16:14] MinceR it probably can't, if you spend as much on lawyers as gates does [16:14] MinceR he could probably also get away with raping children [16:14] baronhk[m]1 Well, the last time Illinois even tried to enforce its adultery law was 1997, and the charge was dropped by the prosecutor. [16:15] schestowitz__ [16:08] well the freenode thingis about it being bought out by corporate entity right [16:15] schestowitz__ it happened a long time ago [16:15] schestowitz__ nobody complained [16:15] schestowitz__ I was told so at the time [16:15] baronhk[m]1 It requires adultery and flaunting it, at which point it becomes a Class A Misdemeanor. [16:15] downey[i] schestowitz__: https://floss.social/@downey/106268366035797342 [16:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Michael Downey : "The #PIA logo went up on the #freenode #IRC websi" - FLOSS.social [16:15] baronhk[m]1 Technically, mom would have been in violation of Illinois adultery law in 1999, except she lived in Indiana. [16:16] zleap i wasn't sure what is meant my hate against freenode [16:16] baronhk[m]1 She was boasting to everyone including the goddamned housekeeper that she was cheating on my dad. [16:16] schestowitz__ you did not see it maybe [16:16] schestowitz__ all the people looking to burn it down [16:16] zleap what ever has happened (may be due to the way the admin peopke have been treated) but a lot of people are moving off, [16:16] schestowitz__ like it's an objective [16:16] schestowitz__ hi downey[i] [16:16] baronhk[m]1 I suppose her punishment was Gonad the Barbarian spending all her money on beer and cigarettes while causing her to "walk into a wall" and "fall down the stairs" a time or ten over the next 8 years. [16:17] schestowitz__ you badmouthed me in Twitter, IIRC [16:17] schestowitz__ 1-2 days ago [16:17] downey[i] schestowitz__: You recall incorrectly; my Twitter account is private. [16:18] schestowitz__ oh, sorry [16:18] schestowitz__ my bad [16:18] schestowitz__ https://nitter.cc/JulianKlode/status/1395282819958681603#m [16:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.cc | Julian Andres Klode (@JulianKlode): "FreeNode is now controlled by Andrew Lee. Andrew Lee links to blog post by Roy Schestowitz. Roy Schestowitz is known associate of Dan Pocock, who runs a bunch of hate speech attack centers against Debian and related communities." | nitter [16:18] schestowitz__ you appear further down [16:18] schestowitz__ it's not what you said [16:18] schestowitz__ I saw the name in passing [16:18] schestowitz__ Don't know who klode is [16:18] baronhk[m]1 Ah the bible, it talks at length about people who are so corrupt that they're actually boastful about it. [16:19] baronhk[m]1 Which might actually be where the Illinois adultery law came from. [16:19] schestowitz__ It's like one of those "HE EVEN SUPPORTED RMS" thing... [16:19] schestowitz__ which I think is where I derive some analogies from.. [16:19] schestowitz__ peer pressure [16:19] schestowitz__ to discourage certain allegiances [16:20] schestowitz__ Pocock is Pocock, and I don't condone many things he did and wrote, esp. in recent months [16:20] baronhk[m]1 I say if you're going to commit crime, you should only do it if you stand to make a lot of money. Like the Joker said, if you're good at something, never do it for free. [16:22] baronhk[m]1 The DMCA has become the goto for imposing censorship and then washing your hands of your involvement in it. [16:22] schestowitz__ pretty much.. [16:22] baronhk[m]1 The fact that Cancel RMS was on GitHub should severely undermine the petition all by itself. [16:22] schestowitz__ it did [16:22] schestowitz__ among other things [16:23] schestowitz__ many things [16:23] schestowitz__ that are poor taste [16:23] baronhk[m]1 Not even so much because of Microsoft, but because of how it has turned it into "Today in the complete joke of Fair Use process.". [16:23] schestowitz__ GitHub is not just Microsoft [16:23] schestowitz__ it'a slso proprietary software [16:23] schestowitz__ it's also surveillance [16:23] baronhk[m]1 Firefox is proprietary software. It's also developed on GitHub, it's also just not very good. [16:24] techrights-bot #SublimeText 4 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151431 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Sublime Text 4 | Tux Machines [16:24] baronhk[m]1 They were boasting of Apple's M1 processor and their port to it. [16:24] baronhk[m]1 At the same time, Reddit started being flooded by people complaining that the Mac port now tries to allocate itself 52 GB of RAM and then crashes. [16:25] baronhk[m]1 jemalloc is getting to be pretty embarrassing really. It's no longer suitable. [16:26] baronhk[m]1 But I don't think they have the resources to really do anything about memory management in Firefox anymore. They can barely make minor tweaks to the web platform stuff. [16:27] XRevan86 Meanwhile: https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2021/05/18/introducing-site-isolation-in-firefox/ [16:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Introducing Site Isolation in Firefox - Mozilla Security Blog [16:27] baronhk[m]1 Microsoft is working on a flag to "disable warn on unpacked extensions". [16:27] XRevan86 (3 days ago) [16:27] schestowitz__ [16:23] Firefox is proprietary software. It's also developed on GitHub, it's also just not very good. [16:27] baronhk[m]1 That alone is enough to be worth using it over Chrome in my opinion, if it actually lands. [16:27] scientes you can't register an account of Libera IRC without an email address [16:27] schestowitz__ for many purposes Firefox is still the best we have, e.g. for sites that restrict use to very few browsers [16:28] XRevan86 scientes: Just like Freenode? [16:28] scientes did I really use an email for freenode [16:28] baronhk[m]1 Site Isolation wasn't even written by Mozilla. [16:28] baronhk[m]1 The code has been in there for a while, behind a flag. It's from Tor Browser. [16:28] schestowitz__ I don't think I gave email to freenode [16:28] scientes ^^^ [16:28] schestowitz__ and I have a registered account for like a decade+ now [16:29] schestowitz__ I forgot how I configured it back then, but there was def no email verification [16:29] XRevan86 https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration#registering [16:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | Nickname Registration - freenode [16:29] schestowitz__ my password for freenode is just to discourage impersonation [16:29] scientes ^^^ [16:29] scientes as it should be [16:29] schestowitz__ and also a IP address condom in some scenario/conditions [16:30] schestowitz__ email should not be needed for anything [16:30] schestowitz__ or phone number [16:30] schestowitz__ many people have many phone numbers [16:30] schestowitz__ and they can set up lots of email addresses [16:30] schestowitz__ millions even [16:30] scientes these days you need a phone number to do anything on internet [16:30] scientes cause they want to be able to come to your house if the need arises [16:30] schestowitz__ landline [16:30] XRevan86 schestowitz__, scientes: Regardless of how things may have been, Freenode and LiberaChat both require an E-mail to register. [16:30] schestowitz__ household, so impersonal too [16:31] scientes you know they are serious about this because they take the effort to blacklist SIP providers [16:31] scientes they want to be able to Brazil-like raid your house [16:31] schestowitz__ XRevan86: maybe a newer requirement [16:31] schestowitz__ irc should not even depend on having an email account, as is the case, but to REGISTER in IRC I think email should not be needed [16:31] schestowitz__ and what would email be useful for anyway? Password recovery? [16:32] *guysoft42 (~guysoft@2a0d:6fc1:2:1f00:5434:eec5:9333:3469) has joined #techrights [16:32] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Probably. [16:32] schestowitz__ staff can bypass that [16:32] schestowitz__ it's like key under doormat [16:32] trttl if it's just for password recovery then why isn't optional [16:32] scientes one account to rule them all, and in the darkness bind them [16:33] XRevan86 https://oftc.net/Services/#register-your-account same thing [16:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-oftc.net | OFTC - Services [16:33] baronhk[m]1 My bank is now blocking Firefox. [16:33] scientes My bank is now blocking Firefox. [16:33] baronhk[m]1 This has been reported to Mozilla, but I doubt that it'll be fixed. [16:33] scientes they should re-name it Google-fascilitated-bank [16:33] baronhk[m]1 Firefox is the only browser I have a UA override extension installed for. [16:33] baronhk[m]1 I just copied the UA out of Microsoft Edge 90 to be used for certain sites. [16:33] scientes firefox is the fastest and lowest memory usage [16:34] XRevan86 baronhk[m]1: That's the problem with not using the standard de-facto internet explorer. [16:34] baronhk[m]1 Every once in a while, I just open edge and figure out what the current UA is and bump it for Firefox in sites that I have an override for. [16:34] scientes XRevan86, and with ActiveX enabled [16:35] techrights-bot #Linux 5.13 Reverts + Fixes The Problematic University of #Minnesota Patches http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/150248?page=1#comment-29716 #sabotage #umn [16:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Heres Why University of Minnesota is Likely to be Banned from Contributing to Linux Kernel Code | Tux Machines [16:36] scientes he should get the asshole professor of the year award [16:37] techrights-bot Open Source Worlds Favorite IRC Network #Freenode is in Turmoil https://news.itsfoss.com/freenode-controversy/ not a phony scandal, but massively over-inflated: http://techrights.org/2021/05/19/freenode-and-cancel-culture/ [16:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.itsfoss.com | Open Source World's Favorite IRC Network Freenode is in Turmoil - It's FOSS News [16:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Panic Over Freenode Isnt Justified and Its Reaction Mostly Disproportionate | Techrights [16:38] schestowitz__ [16:33] firefox is the fastest [16:38] schestowitz__ fattest [16:39] schestowitz__ depends what you compare to [16:39] trttl fattyfox [16:41] schestowitz__ hours ago: https://www.makeuseof.com/freenode-developers-resign-from-project-following-hostile-takeover-by-korean-crown-prince/ [16:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.makeuseof.com | Freenode Developers Resign From Project Following Hostile Takeover by Korean Crown Prince [16:41] schestowitz__ very important to say Korean [16:41] scientes schestowitz__, it uses far less memory than chrome [16:41] schestowitz__ even if he's American [16:41] schestowitz__ scientes: yes, chrome is a mess [16:41] scientes they should change the name from chrome to "fat-suit" [16:41] schestowitz__ but not just for technical reasons [16:42] scientes but that is basically all there is [16:42] scientes and YouTube still doesn't work on Firefox without UA sniffing [16:42] scientes because of a passive-agressive attitude [16:43] scientes just like they purposefully attacked Edge browser [16:43] scientes to kill off the competition [16:44] MinceR they learned so much from microsoft [16:44] scientes ^^^^ [16:44] scientes as someone that has actually worked with that source code [16:44] scientes they also learned from Java's anti-social tendencies [16:44] scientes they even forked protobuf, a Google project [16:45] scientes they can't even work with other Google guys on that piece of software [16:45] scientes (granted the protobuf creator left Google and created CapNProto, but that is something totally different) [16:45] techrights-bot You can now safely upgrade to Ubuntu 21.04 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151432 Well done, #microsoft ... curtailing and controlling #gnu #linux thanks to bully in "SJW" clothing: http://techrights.org/2021/04/29/cannot-upgrade-ubuntu/ "ain't done till Linux won't run..." [16:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | You can now safely upgrade to Ubuntu 21.04 | Tux Machines [16:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Stallman Was Right About Secure Boot (Matthew Garretts Work Now Used to Prevent Users Adopting New Ubuntu Releases/Derivatives) | Techrights [16:49] techrights-bot "And it led to my first job, that worked out to something like $20/hour or more, because I only worked about 20 hours a week, to make $400. Doing something that still to this day doesnt really feel like work, in the sense my father would define it, anyway. In short, a pretty sweet deal." https://madned.substack.com/p/a-teenagers-guide-to-avoiding-actual [16:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-madned.substack.com | A Teenager's Guide to Avoiding Actual Work - The Mad Ned Memo [16:49] techrights-bot "Adjacent string literals are concatenated into a single string." http://smackerelofopinion.blogspot.com/2021/05/adjacent-c-string-concatenation-gotcha.html [16:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-smackerelofopinion.blogspot.com | A Smackerel of Opinion: Adjacent C string concatenation gotcha [16:51] MinceR what a gotcha [16:51] XRevan86 https://www.calvertjournal.com/articles/show/12693/soviet-classic-irony-of-fate-is-getting-a-hollywood-remake uh, what? [16:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.calvertjournal.com | Soviet classic The Irony of Fate is getting a Hollywood remake The Calvert Journal [16:52] schestowitz__ indeed [16:52] schestowitz__ low on material [16:52] schestowitz__ and not big audiences [16:52] scientes firefox refuses to load...... [16:52] schestowitz__ people busy playing with their doorbells, like mjg59... [16:53] scientes schestowitz__, I don't think that man's doorbells ring, if you know what I mean [16:53] scientes he works for his master [16:53] schestowitz__ maybe it's pwned [16:53] scientes Microsoft [16:53] schestowitz__ open telnet port with password "ILoveGoogle" [16:53] MinceR lol [16:55] techrights-bot Recursive #Vim macros: One step further into automating repetitive tasks https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/recursive-vim-macros [16:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Recursive Vim macros: One step further into automating repetitive tasks | Enable Sysadmin [16:57] techrights-bot "Note that #Oracle and #Cisco are also listed, the only companies that can rival #IBM in getting rid of people. That tells you how truthful this list really is." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aX7i8Z8#replies #Microsoft [16:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Top Companies 2021: The 50 best workplaces to grow your career in the U.S. - post regarding IBM layoffs [16:57] techrights-bot #ibm " #Kyndryl letters of offer are in the works. It may be a case of how many accept / decline those offers before layoffs are finalized?" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aWJp96w#replies [16:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | So what's going on? - post regarding IBM layoffs [16:58] techrights-bot "A couple of streams back someone told me about an interesting project. Sonic Robo Blast 2, a FOSS Sonic fan game based on the DOOM engine, I knew that I had to go and play it because that sounds amazing." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yIpSv7P8Z0 [16:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SRB2Yes, This Is A FOSS Sonic Fan Game - YouTube ● May 21 [17:00] techrights-bot #freesw Ethics, and how the University of #Minnesota Failed #Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/150248?page=1#comment-29717 [17:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Heres Why University of Minnesota is Likely to be Banned from Contributing to Linux Kernel Code | Tux Machines [17:00] XRevan86 rasengan: (16:00:01) thumbs: 2FA was set a long time ago and Andrew never noticed [17:02] techrights-bot "It is originally developed by "Anton Reshetov" a web and deskop app developer, who released it under AGPL V3.0." That's our licence of choice, too. https://medevel.com/masscode/ #massCode #freesw #programming [17:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medevel.com | massCode: A remarkable free snippet manager for macOS, Windows and Linux [17:04] techrights-bot "When asked about choosing the GPLv2 license for the Linux kernel, Torvalds says, Im 100% convinced that the license has been a big part of the success of Linux (and Git, for that matter)..." https://www.fosslife.org/linus-torvalds-importance-open-source [17:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslife.org | Linus Torvalds on the Importance of Open Source [17:06] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [17:06] techrights-bot A pair of memory-allocation improvements in #linux 5.13 https://lwn.net/Articles/855226/ #kernel [17:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A pair of memory-allocation improvements in 5.13 [LWN.net] [17:07] baronhk[m]1 "The idea of using Scheme in the browser was abandoned because management decided it had to look like Java." [17:07] baronhk[m]1 Oh, politics. [17:08] techrights-bot "A new patch series has been posted implementing #RuntimeVerification (RV) for the #Linux #kernel ." https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-Runtime-Verification [17:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New Patches Posted For Linux Runtime Verification - Phoronix [17:08] baronhk[m]1 https://www.npr.org/2021/05/21/998859506/apple-ceo-tim-cook-is-taking-the-witness-stand-friday-heres-why-its-a-big-deal [17:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.npr.org | Apple CEO Tim Cook Is Taking The Witness Stand Friday. Here's Why It's A Big Deal : NPR [17:08] baronhk[m]1 Tim Apple on trial. It's Bill Gates all over again. [17:08] techrights-bot #AMD "Beige Goby" GPU Support Targeting Linux 5.14 Inclusion - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-Beige-Goby-Linux-5.14 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/21/#latest [17:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AMD "Beige Goby" GPU Support Targeting Linux 5.14 Inclusion - Phoronix [17:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [17:09] baronhk[m]1 This time, Apple has to explain why stealing 30% from developers and causing applications to be more expensive is necessary. [17:09] techrights-bot #ASpeed AST2500 SSIF BMC Driver Being Worked On For The Linux Kernel - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ASpeed-SSIF-BMC-Linux-Driver #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/21/#latest [17:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ASpeed AST2500 SSIF BMC Driver Being Worked On For The Linux Kernel - Phoronix [17:09] baronhk[m]1 They're going with "because otherwise there'd be viruses". [17:09] techrights-bot "The x86 architecture makes life relatively easy (in this regard, at least) for kernel developers by providing cache snooping" https://lwn.net/Articles/855328/ [17:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Noncoherent DMA mappings [LWN.net] [17:09] scientes but they are the virus [17:10] techrights-bot "By the time the last pull request was acted on and 5.13-rc1 was released, a total of 14,231 non-merge commits had found their way into the mainline." https://lwn.net/Articles/855140/ [17:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The second half of the 5.13 merge window [LWN.net] [17:10] baronhk[m]1 They're not in defensible territory here, so they have to claim that the monopoly helps the user and hope that the judge and the jury fall for it. [17:11] *stormchaser3000 (~iansutter@unaffiliated/stormchaser3000) has joined #techrights [17:11] scientes but they would shoot both the jury and the judge before they could ever get inside the buildig [17:12] schestowitz__ I read that Microsoft might be using EPIC as a proxy here [17:12] schestowitz__ but saw no strong evidence [17:12] stormchaser3000 hello [17:12] schestowitz__ Epic does make a lot of money via Windows [17:12] schestowitz__ stormchaser3000: 0/ [17:13] schestowitz__ EPIC the privacy front is also tainted by Microsoft [17:13] stormchaser3000 I have read several TechRights articles over the past couple of years, but I never knew there was an IRC channel. Then I discovered the kiwi IRC client at the bottom of one article today :D [17:13] schestowitz__ but not the same as the company [17:13] schestowitz__ stormchaser3000: yes, we have been on freenode since 2008 [17:13] stormchaser3000 looked at which server it connects to, then pointed konversation to this channel [17:13] schestowitz__ many of the early folks are still here today [17:13] stormchaser3000 cool [17:13] stormchaser3000 that's pretty close to when I started using GNU/Linux [17:13] schestowitz__ all the stuff logged and published for transparency [17:14] stormchaser3000 sounds good :) [17:15] techrights-bot "There is a new application available for Sparkers: #LibreWolf " https://sparkylinux.org/librewolf/ #sparkylinux #gnu #linux #debian [17:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sparkylinux.org | LibreWolf SparkyLinux [17:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.83 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 35.58 swarm size (avg): 225.75 [17:17] stormchaser3000 Microsoft seems to have gotten their grubby little hands on much of the Free Software world :( [17:17] stormchaser3000 grubby, oversized, monopolistic hands* [17:18] stormchaser3000 while I am happy to see some advances in Free Software, I feel that the coporatization taking place is ruining it for everyone [17:18] techrights-bot Behind the design of the fresh new #Firefox coming June 1 https://blog.mozilla.org/firefox/new-firefox-coming-june-1/ #www #mozilla [17:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Behind the design of the fresh new Firefox coming June 1 | The Firefox Frontier [17:20] schestowitz__ stormchaser3000: I know the feeling [17:20] alextee[m] https://video.hardlimit.com/videos/watch/e3f620ee-0fb4-4026-abba-da76c578ffed [17:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-video.hardlimit.com | RMS Richard Stallman the symbol of Freedom - Hardlimit [17:20] schestowitz__ [15:15] There's a conflict in the #freesw world between optimism and pessimism, I've found. Having spoken to longtime activists. On the one hand, free software is everywhere (libre I mean), but at the same time it's under IMMENSE attacks. For me, the way I see it, those attacks are signs of desperation from losing monopolies. THEY WILL NEVER ADMIT THIS OPENLY! [17:20] schestowitz__ I wrote it this week [17:20] schestowitz__ fight on [17:20] schestowitz__ we'll get there [17:20] schestowitz__ "there" may vary [17:20] MinceR https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27234542 [17:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | Setting the record straight on Freenode [pdf] | Hacker News [17:20] schestowitz__ but it's a long war, not one battle [17:21] stormchaser3000 very true [17:21] schestowitz__ MinceR: yes, saw it [17:21] schestowitz__ we published a local copy of it [17:21] schestowitz__ in http://techrights.org/2021/05/21/freenode-facts/ [17:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Freenode Users Exodus as Self-Fulfilling Prophecy Boosted by Those Looking to Gain | Techrights [17:21] schestowitz__ rasengan is getting a bit of "RMS treatment" atm [17:22] schestowitz__ even if the nature of allegations is very different [17:22] schestowitz__ RMS is very famous [17:22] schestowitz__ rasengan is not so famous [17:22] MinceR they're making him famous :> [17:23] schestowitz__ alextee[m]: they put my face in that video [17:23] alextee[m] that's a bad comparison imo, RMS did a lot for free software [17:23] schestowitz__ MinceR: and freenode [17:23] schestowitz__ MinceR: look how many people in IRC today and yesterday [17:23] alextee[m] freenode ltd is just trying to bring corporate interests into the network [17:23] schestowitz__ freenode never enjoyed this much 'free press' [17:23] alextee[m] i'd rather have a nonprofit behind it [17:23] schestowitz__ that's where it's going [17:23] schestowitz__ some sort of council or something [17:24] MinceR sadly, nonprofit isn't helping anything anymore [17:24] schestowitz__ alextee[m]: some people give money to the FSF to do the work [17:24] MinceR mozilla foundation is nonprofit, linux-destroying foundation is nonprofit [17:24] schestowitz__ they're coopted [17:24] MinceR sfc is nonprofit [17:24] schestowitz__ gates foundation [17:24] alextee[m] indeed, but it's a step up from a for profit [17:24] alextee[m] for something like a network geared for free software communities [17:25] stormchaser3000 I was on another channel on freenode and I saw someone refer to Andrew Lee as a "trumpist" and I failed to comprehend how someone's political affiliations could be directly tied to trust of that individual... [17:25] MinceR osi is nonprofit [17:25] schestowitz__ alextee[m]: they start this way [17:25] schestowitz__ roads paved... good intentions [17:25] alextee[m] for-profit has bad intentions from the beginning [17:25] schestowitz__ stormchaser3000: people called me that too [17:25] schestowitz__ even though it's perfectly clear I hate trump [17:25] alextee[m] the only interest a for-profit has is to make money [17:25] schestowitz__ and cannot stand that political orientation either [17:25] stormchaser3000 people are insane :/ [17:26] schestowitz__ they just project that word onto people they don't agree with [17:26] schestowitz__ stormchaser3000: cartoon on this http://techrights.org/2021/05/21/think-about-facts/ [17:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Mob Rushes in Where Individuals Fear to Tread. B.F. Skinner, Walden Two | Techrights [17:26] stormchaser3000 yeah, that sounds about right. I guest "trumpist" can be added to the list of "ist" phrases that people use to label those they disagree with [17:27] schestowitz__ maybe say saw "real" in the username [17:27] schestowitz__ even though it predates Trump presidency [17:27] schestowitz__ maybe not his twitter account [17:27] schestowitz__ but he barely gor noticed till 2015 [17:28] schestowitz__ >> Andrew Lee as a "trumpist" a [17:28] schestowitz__ "IF YOU SUPPORT FREENODE, YOU LITERALLY SUPPORT WHITE SUPREMACY!" [17:28] schestowitz__ trump is gold "identity politics" [17:28] XRevan86 stormchaser3000: They're talking about https://twitter.com/2drewlee , a different Andrew Lee. [17:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 400 @ https://mobile.twitter.com/2drewlee ) [17:28] schestowitz__ so they don't need to argue regarding what actually happened [17:28] schestowitz__ like wresting control over the freenode domain [17:29] schestowitz__ first away from rasengan [17:29] schestowitz__ to which he then reacted [17:29] schestowitz__ they cited "FSF" [17:29] stormchaser3000 I fail to comprehend humanity at this point. It's like large swath of people are joining some odd cult [17:29] alextee[m] as a sidenote, i don't like how it's just assumed that anything related to trump is objectively bad. there's lots of people who support him [17:29] schestowitz__ so some of it was motivated by the aftermath of "Cancel RMS" [17:29] schestowitz__ alextee[m]: look what alternatives they offer [17:29] XRevan86 stormchaser3000: There's a Trumpist Andrew Lee who is Asian-looking. However, that's not the same Andrew Lee as in Freenode, Ltd. and PIA. [17:29] schestowitz__ HRC, Biden... [17:30] schestowitz__ all the politicians are support are most loathed by Trump and his followers [17:30] schestowitz__ people whom they issue threats to [17:30] stormchaser3000 ah ok [17:30] schestowitz__ Yang is cool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Yang [17:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Andrew Yang - Wikipedia [17:30] schestowitz__ but he never stood a chance [17:31] schestowitz__ non-conformist for US political system [17:31] schestowitz__ John and Jane from Kentucky would not vote for someone so... 'foreign' [17:31] stormchaser3000 I had heard about yang. It sounds like he had actually sat down and thought about what he was going to try as opposed to just pandering to some political ideology and the group that subscribes to it [17:32] stormchaser3000 not trying to endorse to disavow him, but rather attempting to make an observation [17:32] schestowitz__ " As an outsider who hasn't used IRC or Freenode in over a decade, this situation is impenetrable. Neither the posts by the Freenode volunteers nor this post by Andrew paint a coherent narrative I can follow (maybe I'm just old)." [17:32] stormchaser3000 no, it definitely doesn't paint the whole picture [17:33] XRevan86 schestowitz__: I've been reading Freenode/LiberaChat stuff for two days non-stop and I still haven't figured out the situation. [17:33] stormchaser3000 it sounds like Bryan Lunduke might use some of his connnections to get some information on what happened in the freenode drama [17:33] CrystalMath XRevan86: Andrew Lee saved freenode [17:33] CrystalMath that's what happened [17:33] stormchaser3000 if he gets some good information, should I post a link to his information on here? [17:34] alextee[m] i mean, the red flags started in 2018 or whenever freenode ltd got sold. it looks like the recent stuff is just the tip of the iceberg. many people just don't want corporate involvement, regardless of who is in the wrong here [17:34] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Your Terrorists Are Our Freedom Fighters [17:34] CrystalMath alextee[m]: really, freenode is for the better now, by far [17:35] CrystalMath ex-freenode staff was horrible [17:35] CrystalMath i don't want to think about the stuff they did, it fills me with so much anger i can't control it [17:36] CrystalMath so i would rather forget that ex-freenode staff ever existed [17:36] MinceR don't [17:36] MinceR most of them are still there at oftc :> [17:36] CrystalMath MinceR: and at libera.crap [17:37] CrystalMath i don't really care, though [17:37] CrystalMath i'm now fine with them knowing that i hate them more than i thought hate could be possible [17:37] techrights-bot Introduction to machine learning with #Jupyter notebooks | Red Hat Developer https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2021/05/21/introduction-machine-learning-jupyter-notebooks #ibm #redhat : "Sorry, you need to enable JavaScript to visit this website." :/ [17:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.redhat.com | Introduction to machine learning with Jupyter notebooks | Red Hat Developer [17:38] techrights-bot Best #Python Frameworks To Create Mobile Apps and Games https://linuxhint.com/python-frameworks-create-mobile-apps-games/ #programming [17:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxhint.com | Best Python Frameworks To Create Mobile Apps and Games Linux Hint [17:39] techrights-bot #Databases : #MongoDB , Rails, and #MySQL http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151433 #db [17:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Databases: MongoDB, Rails, and MySQL | Tux Machines [17:40] *mixfix41 (~homefame@unaffiliated/mixfix41) has left #techrights [17:41] schestowitz__ CrystalMath: let me show you... [17:41] MinceR "we have such sights to show you..." [17:41] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2021/05/08/communication-channels-cancel-mobbed/ [17:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Pro-Software Freedom Advocates and Free/Libre Software Supporters Face Barriers Due to Domination of Communication Channels (Beyond the Media) | Techrights [17:41] schestowitz__ now that they ragequit [17:41] schestowitz__ maybe I can post some names [17:41] schestowitz__ I removed from from the article [17:42] MinceR :) [17:43] schestowitz__ related to the anti-RMS thing [17:43] schestowitz__ for these reasons [17:43] schestowitz__ [] [04:08:12 BST] hey [17:43] schestowitz__ [] [04:08:29 BST] ive been targeted by some of these same people for years [17:43] schestowitz__ [] [04:08:39 BST] and am trying to sort it out with oftc and freenode right at this very moment [17:43] schestowitz__ [] [04:08:51 BST] and may be able to provide information that will help your effort [17:43] schestowitz__ [] [04:13:33 BST] go ahead [17:43] schestowitz__ [] [04:13:57 BST] im very tired it is late here, but a few years ago i was targeted in much the same way daniel pocock was [17:43] schestowitz__ [] [04:14:10 BST] and it went on for years [17:43] schestowitz__ [] [04:14:29 BST] to the point where both oftc and freenode networks' staff got involved [17:43] schestowitz__ [] [04:14:49 BST] an ancient story now, but, ties in to current [17:43] schestowitz__ [] [04:15:06 BST] so anyway i was probing into the background w/ molly de blanc at debian [17:43] schestowitz__ [] [04:15:21 BST] and was approached by tom wesley (board at OFTC) [17:43] schestowitz__ [] [04:15:26 BST] who asked me about my role in the RMS thing [17:43] schestowitz__ --------- [17:43] schestowitz__ seems like a method now [17:43] schestowitz__ claim someone is "connected" to pocock [17:43] schestowitz__ and then try to cancel them [17:44] schestowitz__ they lobbies fsf to also cancel him [17:44] MinceR microsoft/ibm finally has something that works [17:44] schestowitz__ *lobbied [17:44] MinceR of course they're going to use it on everybody [17:44] schestowitz__ [] [04:15:31 BST] since i did some PR counter-campaign work [17:44] schestowitz__ [] [04:15:43 BST] i told him what i knew and was informed he was going to issue a kline by him [17:44] schestowitz__ [] [04:15:54 BST] when he did he issued it for both networks [17:44] schestowitz__ [] [04:15:59 BST] as he is staff at both networks now [17:44] schestowitz__ [] [04:16:17 BST] i connected to oftc by proxy to talk to their staff [17:44] schestowitz__ [] [04:16:25 BST] tomaw had doug freed (dwfreed) step in [17:44] schestowitz__ afaik, they all quit by now [17:44] schestowitz__ but now you can see what they did [17:45] opal XRevan86 what do you want to know [17:45] schestowitz__ they are also connected to oftc [17:45] stormchaser3000 the next thing you know the entire free software community will be labeled as rapists and child molesters or something to that effect [17:45] schestowitz__ they hope... [17:45] schestowitz__ but there's resistance to that agenda [17:45] schestowitz__ [] [04:16:31 BST] who reissued the kline [17:46] schestowitz__ [] [04:16:36 BST] and it expired at oftc [17:46] schestowitz__ [] [04:16:41 BST] and i cleared it up w/ freenode [17:46] schestowitz__ [] [04:16:47 BST] by talking to their staff [17:46] schestowitz__ [] [04:17:00 BST] until today dwfreed approached me again [17:46] schestowitz__ [] [04:17:10 BST] and issued a kline with no explanation other than "harassment, lol" [17:46] schestowitz__ [] [04:17:20 BST] and this kline was once again on both oftc and freenode [17:46] schestowitz__ [] [04:17:31 BST] i have worked it out w/ oftc but not freenode yet [17:46] schestowitz__ [] [04:17:36 BST] work in progress [17:46] schestowitz__ [] [04:17:38 BST] but [17:46] schestowitz__ [] [04:18:04 BST] the issue here is both of these people are tied up w/ the weirdness around debian/gnome foundation and are leaking into positions of control at freenode [17:46] schestowitz__ now they try to cancel FREENODE itself [17:46] schestowitz__ notice the names [17:46] schestowitz__ I don't mind naming them now [17:46] schestowitz__ I did not about a month ago [17:46] XRevan86 opal: Is it true that 2FA was added a long time ago and rasengan only incidentally recently noticed that after checking when tomaw contacted him on ownership? [17:46] schestowitz__ for obvious reasons [17:46] schestowitz__ but they they show their cards, some of them as above [17:46] opal oh, questions like that [17:46] opal i'm aware of the situation in general but not that aware [17:47] opal i could ask around but it'd likely be a game of he-said-she-said [17:47] schestowitz__ 2fa is not a good model [17:47] schestowitz__ sounds good on paper only [17:47] XRevan86 The registrar may be keeping a timeline of when 2FA was added and removed. [17:47] schestowitz__ and it leads to many human rights issues, too [17:47] schestowitz__ "Would you like my urine sample, too?" [17:47] opal perhaps, for account auditing purposes i think a lot of registrars do that [17:47] XRevan86 schestowitz__: OTP really works. [17:48] opal i use totp 2fa where it's supported, but i'd prefer pki auth [17:48] schestowitz__ this is a key part: [17:48] stormchaser3000 I am planning on writing an article about the Stallman situation (in support of Stallman of course), but I am trying to figure out what angle I should come at it from [17:48] schestowitz__ [] [04:18:13 BST] which is a central hub of activity for the open source community [17:48] schestowitz__ [] [04:18:25 BST] and are using that access control to suppress pro-rms campaigning [17:48] schestowitz__ [] [04:18:49 BST] which leads me to believe there will be another wave after all the key players who jammed up their last effort are gone [17:48] schestowitz__ I was warned a long time ago freenode would suffer some fate [17:48] schestowitz__ and that the goal would be to target some people [17:49] schestowitz__ I don't want to move to a network controlled by people who witch-hunt people who campaigned for the FSF [17:49] schestowitz__ the whole thing puts in context my concerns for freenode [17:49] stormchaser3000 yeah [17:49] schestowitz__ all that "letter of resignation" in tandem thing is similar to what osi gnome foundation and others coordinated [17:49] schestowitz__ and then chose Microsoft as their platform [17:49] schestowitz__ with typescript (Microsoft) code [17:50] opal devault is trying his best to convince libera.chat staff to refrain from nonfree platforms, going forward [17:50] opal we'll see how that works out [17:50] stormchaser3000 wasn't there also a website started for GNU project maintainers who subscribed to a certain political ideology? [17:50] schestowitz__ [] [04:19:38 BST] you need to backtrack a bit and explain more [17:50] schestowitz__ [] [04:19:40 BST] alot of the controversy around why i was being klined left and right surrounded that i had uncovered that molly de blanc has previous smear targets [17:50] schestowitz__ [] [04:20:00 BST] and that this is all centered around debian and gnome foundation [17:50] stormchaser3000 I don't remember what it was called [17:50] opal yeah there was a gnu offshoot site [17:50] schestowitz__ [] [04:20:06 BST] sure ask questions [17:50] schestowitz__ [] [04:20:24 BST] what you imply is that freenode will target us too? [17:50] schestowitz__ [] [04:21:11 BST] i believe if the tensions increase that the bad actors leaking over from oftc/gnome/debian will absolutely engaged in reputation management operations or access purging to that aim yes [17:50] schestowitz__ rasengan: ^^ [17:50] schestowitz__ rasengan: that was a long time ago [17:51] opal my ears are open with regard to all sides of this situation [17:51] schestowitz__ imagine freenode being 'collateral' here [17:51] opal i do have my biases but so far no enemies [17:51] schestowitz__ as in, the above was posted around the same time sms was sent to rasengan [17:51] schestowitz__ and they had a dispute over control [17:51] schestowitz__ citing "FSF" [17:52] opal gonna /nick xxxxxxxxxx to confuse everyone [17:52] opal and get highlighted a bunch :> [17:52] schestowitz__ they also apparently tried to muzzle, as freenode staff, pro-RMS people [17:52] schestowitz__ and klined them [17:52] stormchaser3000 wow [17:52] opal i support rms and havent been pushed off [17:52] alextee[m] maybe matrix will be the winner after all this. federated means you don't have to deal with bad admins. but nothing beats the simplicity of IRC [17:52] stormchaser3000 I haven't been on Freenode that much lately so I haven't been aware of all the drama [17:52] opal then again i avoid political talk on this network [17:52] schestowitz__ [] [04:22:31 BST] the small fry fish from that camp are targeting signers of the pro rms letter but not to any real serious impact, the more dangerous influencers will go for the people exposing this or investigating this [17:52] schestowitz__ [] [04:22:52 BST] in my case i can fart out a proxy any time i need to by clicking a button so all it has done is inconvenience me [17:52] schestowitz__ [] [04:24:33 BST] freenode is not a 'coherent' entity in that they will have widely variant responses to this situation depending on which staff member you get [17:52] schestowitz__ [] [04:24:46 BST] its the ones that are also in with OFTC staff counts that are going to be the problem [17:53] schestowitz__ ^ around the time tomaw sms re "FSF" [17:53] stormchaser3000 yeah, I don't like matrix [17:53] opal alextee[m] i've used irc for a decade and don't see it having a future as a platform or a protocol [17:53] stormchaser3000 the protocol is very bloated [17:53] opal matrix isnt much better but i use it [17:53] schestowitz__ afaik, there's no proper 'vetting' fro freenode staff [17:53] stormchaser3000 IRC is simple and easy to use given that you have a good client [17:53] alextee[m] yeah the protocol is really bad, they should have went with a binary protocol at least instead of this JSON mess [17:53] schestowitz__ they pick volunteers [17:53] opal problem is there are no good clients [17:53] alextee[m] but it works [17:53] schestowitz__ and they can be subjected to friend-brings-a-friend entryism [17:54] opal and it is not easy to use if youre an op or admin of anything [17:54] schestowitz__ IRC is not hard [17:54] baronhk[m]1 I've been reading about this Covenant Eyes thing that Josh Duggar's wife apparently made him install on his laptops and phone. [17:54] stormchaser3000 yeah, IRC is easy [17:54] schestowitz__ unless you want to do "special" things [17:54] opal irc's fucking tedious [17:54] alextee[m] that's a chicken and egg problem. features are still coming out. nheko is not so bad but element is always the most up to date [17:54] opal no, this isnt a chicken/egg problem, this is a problem inherent in irc's design [17:54] baronhk[m]1 She must have been hallucinating if she thought this was going to keep her husband in line after everyone knew he was a child molester and a rapist. [17:54] stormchaser3000 nheko is not terrible, but I would still prefer something even lighter weight. Quaternion maybe? [17:55] opal it is impossible to make a fully-conformant client due to the number of heuristics necessary to figure out what an ircd supports [17:55] schestowitz__ ah, makes sense [17:55] opal i've used and hacked on multiple ircds, multiple clients, written a few bots [17:55] opal irc's shit [17:55] schestowitz__ but it is widely supported [17:55] opal objectively so [17:55] schestowitz__ like http/www [17:55] schestowitz__ pure garbage [17:55] schestowitz__ but widely used [17:55] opal lol [17:55] schestowitz__ so all of us still use it sometimes [17:56] schestowitz__ dns has many issues [17:56] opal http (1.1) has better design than irc by miles [17:56] stormchaser3000 fair point [17:56] schestowitz__ and now they add some encryption to it, decades late [17:56] *guysoft42 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [17:56] opal dns is garbage yes [17:56] XRevan86 opal: Also interesting is the situation with the acquisition, how did it happen that christel sold freenode, but the people involved in freenode didn't know what that even meant and weren't involved neither in the sell nor in the company? [17:56] schestowitz__ opal: it's also newer [17:56] stormchaser3000 modern http and www is garbage [17:56] schestowitz__ XRevan86: SUDDENLY it became an issue [17:56] schestowitz__ the ads [17:56] schestowitz__ the owenrship etc. [17:57] opal XRevan86 i think it'll clear up a lot of things if you know this key fact: there has never been great communication between freenode staff here [17:57] stormchaser3000 I ended up being so disillusioned with the whole JavaScript VM running in a web browser thing that I just use PHP to generate simple webpages on my site [17:57] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Yea, and if the 2FA was there for a while, then rasengan started this. [17:57] opal with libera.chat i hope theyre rectifying that. they published https://libera.chat/bylaws which states how they are going to operate now [17:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-libera.chat | Libera Chat Bylaws | Libera Chat [17:57] opal monthly meetings, an actual board, et cetera [17:57] stormchaser3000 no extra client-side work necessary [17:57] opal so hopefully that helps [17:58] schestowitz__ if you trust those people [17:58] schestowitz__ I worried about them a month ago [17:58] schestowitz__ when the shitstorm was brewing silently [17:58] schestowitz__ [] [04:25:11 BST] Doug Freed is not currently staff but was able to get a kline on freenode at the same time he issued one on oftc [17:58] schestowitz__ [] [04:25:32 BST] so there is some relationship there i dont fully understand yet [17:58] schestowitz__ [] [04:25:51 BST] fsf uses freenode [17:58] schestowitz__ [] [04:25:57 BST] canonical pays freenode [17:58] schestowitz__ [] [04:26:09 BST] but I never had bad experiences with freenode [17:58] schestowitz__ [] [04:26:16 BST] they are usually pretty good [17:58] schestowitz__ [] [04:26:31 BST] its the ones that are staff at oftc that are staff at freenode that are the problem there [17:58] opal i believe libera is making efforts to do things right [17:58] schestowitz__ oftc [17:58] opal emphasis on effort [17:58] schestowitz__ look who promotes it this week [17:58] opal whether its what everyone ends up agreeing with, whether things will be done right, thats for time to tell [17:58] schestowitz__ some of the people whom I resent for attacking Torvalds and RMS [17:58] opal same with freenode [17:58] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Because then it means that the chain of events started with tomaw asking rasengan a question, rasengan looking into the account, *noticing* a thing and then reacting to it. [17:59] opal under new management, time will tell what happens [17:59] schestowitz__ oftc is like the osi of irc [17:59] schestowitz__ having more options if a positive [17:59] opal oftc has historically been much more dysfunctional than freenode [17:59] schestowitz__ but what if the people who run that network run amok with censorship? [17:59] opal but i hear theyre trying to change as well [17:59] schestowitz__ some of the same people who started doing this in freenode [17:59] schestowitz__ as staff ● May 21 [18:00] schestowitz__ as if pro-RMS is some sort of pedophilia [18:01] schestowitz__ we will know soon [18:01] MinceR > federated means you don't have to deal with bad admins. [18:01] opal depends how the bans were happening. i know freenode *never* supported political channels, theyre technically off-topic, but freenode left them alone if they caused few issues [18:01] stormchaser3000 well, I am off for now. Thanks for the enlightening conversation :) [18:01] MinceR not exactly, ask baronhk[m]1 about it :> [18:01] opal there are definitely better places for that discussion [18:01] schestowitz__ I, myself, kept close to my chest thing I had heard [18:01] schestowitz__ I knew about freenode issues ahead [18:01] opal so did i [18:01] schestowitz__ but did not want to admonish some staff [18:01] stormchaser3000 have a good day everyone [18:01] opal cya [18:01] *stormchaser3000 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [18:01] schestowitz__ as it would worsen things and break down discussions [18:02] schestowitz__ but now it seems too late for that [18:02] schestowitz__ and media isn't trying to mend things [18:02] schestowitz__ they're all "FREENODE IS DEAD! RUN AWAY, PEASANTS!!" [18:02] schestowitz__ and we might end up running away to some of the elements that raised a stink over a non-issue [18:02] schestowitz__ or not a new issue [18:03] *lavendereyes has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [18:03] *lavender- (~lavendere@gateway/tor-sasl/lavendereyes) has joined #techrights [18:03] schestowitz__ hi, lavender- [18:04] schestowitz__ familiar nick, cannot recall where from [18:04] baronhk[m]1 Someone is sending scam texts claiming to be from the Indiana unemployment office. [18:04] baronhk[m]1 I got one a few minutes ago and called the state's 800 number to figure out what was going on. They said there's a text scam going around where they just hit Indiana phone numbers at random and try to get information from you with a link to a fake website. [18:05] baronhk[m]1 Anyway.... [18:05] techrights-bot PIR sensors automatically light up workbench zones | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/05/21/pir-sensors-automatically-light-up-workbench-zones/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking [18:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | PIR sensors automatically light up workbench zones | Arduino Blog [18:05] baronhk[m]1 schestowitz__: I wonder how Covenant Eyes has managed to stay in business. [18:06] baronhk[m]1 Are people really so deluded that they think they'll bring a cheater (or worse) back into the fold by installing some crap software on their computers? [18:06] techrights-bot Multigen LRU Patches Updated For Addressing Linux's Expensive Page Reclaimation - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Multigen-LRU-Framework-V3 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/21/#latest [18:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Resolving timed out after 10518 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Multigen-LRU-Framework-V3 ) [18:06] XRevan86 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27236455 [18:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Resolving timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/21/#latest ) [18:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Resolving timed out after 10518 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27236455 ) [18:07] baronhk[m]1 If people really want to do something, they'll figure out how to get it done. If it was really so easy to control people, then laws designed to stop suicide would have some effect. [18:07] opal schestowitz__ i'll say that the freenode fiasco has encouraged me to move my project channel exclusively to our own irc network [18:07] opal i could have re-registered the project on libera but i didnt want to [18:07] opal good excuse just to redirect everyone over to something self-hosted [18:07] baronhk[m]1 It seems to me that Covenant Eyes is some creepy pseudo-Christian company that makes money off of failing marriages. [18:08] baronhk[m]1 Private Christian universities pitch it as a way to make your relationship work. [18:09] baronhk[m]1 Whatever makes them want to cheat isn't going to be resolved by a computer program with a subscription fee, which is doing who knows what with the data that it collects. [18:09] baronhk[m]1 The divorce rate has reached crisis levels, and it's really embarrassing to the churches and they're throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks at this point. [18:10] scientes what is Epic? [18:10] baronhk[m]1 Even to the point of "private counseling with pastors" over stuff that should be turned over to the police. [18:10] scientes XRevan86, do you follow hacker news? [18:10] scientes I find that is the usual US delusion of grandeur and arrogance [18:10] scientes which I know toooooooooo well [18:10] XRevan86 scientes: No, MinceR shared the link and now I read through the comments. [18:10] scientes baronhk[m]1, that is what she said [18:10] schestowitz__ XRevan86: seems like a clear summary [18:10] scientes baronhk[m]1, you mean butt sex? [18:11] schestowitz__ assuming it is accurate [18:12] baronhk[m]1 Christians tend to think that they "follow a higher law", so they tend to keep evidence of crimes to themselves and even try to destroy it and deal with it internally. [18:12] schestowitz__ opal: nice if you have many nodes offhand [18:12] baronhk[m]1 That's where so many scandals involving the Catholics come in. [18:12] schestowitz__ and can administer, debug etc. the irc daemon [18:12] opal schestowitz__ yeah, a few others and i have been running servers for a while [18:12] schestowitz__ I object to running my own fediverse-compatible thing [18:13] opal the network isnt new, i just figured freenode would have been a good "outpost" for people who didnt want to join there [18:13] schestowitz__ each time something goes wrong, it's a very big job for just one account [18:13] baronhk[m]1 The Archdiocese of Chicago just reinstated a priest who was investigated for a rape in 1986. [18:13] opal but since people are scattering to other networks anyway, whats the point [18:13] baronhk[m]1 Because there wasn't enough evidence. [18:13] schestowitz__ opal: a lot of stuff is hard-linked to freenode [18:14] opal what does hard-linked mean here [18:14] schestowitz__ it's also a mass appeal/critical mass thing, you would not persuade many people to add another network, and I suppose some irc clients.gateways won't support that either [18:14] opal oh you mean client-wise [18:14] schestowitz__ or scripts [18:14] schestowitz__ people developed many things around this infra [18:15] techrights-bot #Kernel : Latest Linux News From Phoronix, LWN, and Linus #Torvalds Interview http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151434 #Linux #TuxMachines [18:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Latest Linux News From Phoronix, LWN, and Linus Torvalds Interview | Tux Machines [18:16] XRevan86 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27236681 [18:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | As an ex-freenode staffer, this is simply untrue. You took over with zero trans... | Hacker News [18:17] techrights-bot A compact #RaspberryPi RP2040 WiFi board - Meet $12.95 Wio RP2040 mini - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/05/21/wio-rp2040-mini-raspberry-pi-rp2040-wifi-board/ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware | [18:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | A compact Raspberry Pi RP2040 WiFi board - Meet $12.95 Wio RP2040 mini - CNX Software [18:18] schestowitz__ " [18:18] schestowitz__ The mail server was working when the whole staff team resigned. [18:18] schestowitz__ What happened after then will have entirely been within the control of the freenode management, their administration, and their sponsors. [18:18] schestowitz__ Every ex-freenode staffer I have talked to has been exceptionally cautious about damaging the data and systems they tended for literal decades, and to my knowledge none were disrupted. [18:18] schestowitz__ " [18:18] schestowitz__ I know kaniini had some stuff cut off, but accidentally they claim [18:18] schestowitz__ like expired or deleted certs [18:19] XRevan86 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27236716 "The issue with services was not due to the "previous team", but rather due to the sponsor pulling their box" [18:19] schestowitz__ that was around the time things already started to rot [18:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | I see that you are spreading your falsehoods here, too. The issue with services... | Hacker News [18:19] schestowitz__ and there were battles [18:19] schestowitz__ [] [04:26:43 BST] e.g. Tom Wesley and his pose [18:19] schestowitz__ [] [04:26:45 BST] *posse [18:19] schestowitz__ [] [04:27:43 BST] debian crossover and gnome foundation crossover is in every instance ive seen been the common association of every actor involved [18:19] schestowitz__ [] [04:28:02 BST] including elana hashman and neil mcgovern [18:19] schestowitz__ [] [04:28:47 BST] i am currently working on a project that will produce a new linux distribution not based on another [18:19] schestowitz__ [] [04:28:55 BST] this is when the targeting really started [18:20] schestowitz__ (in freenode) [18:20] schestowitz__ some of those admins have mixed obligations and loyalties [18:20] schestowitz__ and since there's no salary, they might prioritise for gain in ways other money [18:20] schestowitz__ power and politics [18:20] schestowitz__ [] [04:29:22 BST] one of the debian people named Ikonia (Matt Darcy) started trying to blacklist our contributors [18:21] schestowitz__ [] [04:29:40 BST] and started trying to disrupt that projects' members' relationships with other projects [18:21] schestowitz__ [] [04:29:49 BST] the same strategy as done w/ daniel pocock [18:21] schestowitz__ [] [04:30:16 BST] who as it turns out was also targeted by molly de blanc [18:21] schestowitz__ [] [04:30:23 BST] which was profitable to her career [18:21] schestowitz__ [] [04:30:58 BST] it also helped obscure and deflect the fact that she was having an affair with chris lamb [18:21] baronhk[m]1 Apparently, I might have been wrong about minimum marriage age laws. [18:21] baronhk[m]1 According to Wikipedia, Massachusetts might still use Common Law. [18:21] schestowitz__ baronhk[m]1: let's focus on tech [18:22] baronhk[m]1 That would set marriage to 12 for girls and 14 for boys. Bill Gates might approve of that. [18:22] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Um, what are ye implying? [18:23] baronhk[m]1 It seems like that WGN article was written by someone else. It's appearing all over the place now. [18:23] baronhk[m]1 The Gates Foundation is pushing this. [18:23] techrights-bot "If #IBM lays you off for being yourself, having fun and saying the truth, it was probably a good thing to happen. If they keep you, it will be in a way you like." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aWWuTE5#replies [18:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | What should an employee do? - post regarding IBM layoffs [18:24] baronhk[m]1 Most of these "local news" outfits are just copypasta these days for stories that were written by someone else. [18:24] schestowitz__ they are [18:24] schestowitz__ same owner a lot of the time [18:24] schestowitz__ e.g. Gannett [18:25] schestowitz__ XRevan86: quoting, not implying [18:25] XRevan86 > some of those admins have mixed obligations and loyalties; and since there's no salary, they might prioritise for gain in ways other money [18:25] schestowitz__ the part I added above was, there seems to be a clique of people in freenode... [18:25] schestowitz__ ... one with an agenda not necessarily free as in freenoe [18:25] schestowitz__ not free software [18:25] schestowitz__ or not free speech [18:26] schestowitz__ they can use powers over freenode to undermine some people/voices/views/projecta [18:26] schestowitz__ [] [04:33:21 BST] what im getting at here is that these all involve coordinated behaviours from people all associated with the same project [18:26] schestowitz__ [] [04:34:32 BST] it consistently ties back to debian and their sphere of influence which includes tom wesley, doug freed, and some of the other freenode staff -- not all of them. freenode's official position will probably stay neutral while these bad actors run amok [18:26] schestowitz__ [] [04:35:41 BST] most of this can be verified [18:26] schestowitz__ [] [04:36:00 BST] if you map these people on a board and look at their project associations [18:28] schestowitz__ [end of UNREDACTED OLD LOGS] [18:28] schestowitz__ those can be correlated with current and future events [18:28] schestowitz__ I am watching who says what [18:29] XRevan86 schestowitz__: So can anyone. [18:29] schestowitz__ the forkers might even use something less free speech-respecting than freenode [18:29] schestowitz__ time will tell [18:29] MinceR when was that last log from? [18:29] schestowitz__ MinceR: better not to say [18:29] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Since they're all from freenode, I'd expect the same policies there. [18:29] schestowitz__ as it can add id-related info [18:29] schestowitz__ XRevan86: expect [18:29] schestowitz__ maybe [18:30] XRevan86 schestowitz__: I'd expect the former freenode policies there rather than here. [18:30] schestowitz__ [05:24] I don't want freenode to split. The anxiety I am having over this is making me physically sick to my stomach. I really wish there were a possible reconciliation. But that can't happen if we just ignore what happened and is well documented. [18:30] schestowitz__ it make him/her very angry [18:30] schestowitz__ which already does damage [18:30] XRevan86 This is the place that will inevitably see change. Good or bad. [18:30] MinceR "well documented", i.e. alleged [18:30] schestowitz__ the above helps address, I think: [18:30] schestowitz__ [05:20] I see no relation to the cancel RMS thing except they used github. [18:31] schestowitz__ [05:21] This wasn't a misinterpreted statement. [18:31] schestowitz__ [05:21] On the other side, that he hasn't kicked me or others off the network says a lot for his restraint. [18:31] schestowitz__ here's another thing: [18:31] schestowitz__ [05:18] When this came out on the 16th I was on his side. [18:31] schestowitz__ [05:18] I thought he would just clear things up, bring in other voices that confirmed his statements, etc. [18:32] schestowitz__ [05:18] You can look in the logs in joepie's log link post. [18:32] schestowitz__ [05:18] I asked him to do so. He hasn't still. [18:32] schestowitz__ [05:19] https://paste.sr.ht/~ircwright/7e751d2162e4eb27cba25f6f8893c1f38930f7c4 ctrl-f 'superkuh' [18:32] schestowitz__ now, look into [18:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-crown-prince-getting-owned.txt paste.sr.ht [18:32] schestowitz__ https://www.theguardian.com/technology/blog/2011/jun/28/lulzsec-hacking-analysed-relationships [18:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | LulzSec chatlogs analysed: who talked to who, and when | LulzSec | The Guardian [18:32] schestowitz__ joepie there [18:32] schestowitz__ Sabu.. (FBI) mentioned [18:33] schestowitz__ afaik, for years freenode was operationally independent [18:33] schestowitz__ that sort of changed when the cold shoulder was given [18:34] schestowitz__ like removing rasengan from access to the domain [18:34] schestowitz__ more context in http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-200521.txt [18:34] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Which was apparently done a lot earlier. [18:35] schestowitz__ the access to domain thing? [18:35] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Yes. [18:36] techrights-bot Build your own RPM package with a sample Go program https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2021/05/21/build-your-own-rpm-package-sample-go-program #golang #programming [18:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.redhat.com | Build your own RPM package with a sample Go program | Red Hat Developer [18:36] schestowitz__ which month? [18:37] XRevan86 schestowitz__: When christel was still head of staff. [18:37] schestowitz__ march? [18:39] XRevan86 schestowitz__: I think the question is what year, and the person I asked doesn't have that information. rasengan might have if the registrar keeps the logs (probably does). [18:40] techrights-bot #Appwrite 0.8 Released with a Lot of Privacy and Security Improvements https://linuxiac.com/appwrite-0-8-released-with-a-lot-of-privacy-and-security-improvements/ #deletegithub #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware [18:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxiac.com | Appwrite 0.8 Released with a Lot of Privacy and Security Improvements [18:40] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Or christel might have that information. Don't think well hear from her any time soon though. [18:42] schestowitz__ oh [18:43] schestowitz__ you know what I have just realised? [18:43] schestowitz__ hacker news links to techrights [18:43] schestowitz__ I didn't notice url origin before [18:43] XRevan86 schestowitz__: It used to be github.com/freenode [18:43] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Now rasengan changed it. [18:43] schestowitz__ what happened then? interesting... [18:43] schestowitz__ maybe someone removed it [18:43] schestowitz__ like someone with access to that account [18:44] XRevan86 schestowitz__: No, it's there. [18:44] schestowitz__ reminds me of RMS 2019 [18:44] schestowitz__ when people defaced his site [18:44] schestowitz__ XRevan86: OK, maybe it was at risk of removal from there [18:44] XRevan86 Andrews-MacBook-Air.local [18:44] schestowitz__ now it's requested from us 0.5-1 times per second [18:45] XRevan86 What a poor choice for a laptop %) [18:45] schestowitz__ maybe he has a range of laptops [18:45] schestowitz__ that's a side 'issue' [18:50] techrights-bot #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151436 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [18:50] techrights-bot #Python #Programming http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151435 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Python Programming | Tux Machines [18:51] XRevan86 schestowitz__: yes [18:51] schestowitz__ the whole "WHY NOT LINUX!!" thing is a minor thing in the grand scheme of things [18:52] *zleap has quit (Quit: Leaving) [18:52] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Has anyone made that point? I just made a passing comment. [18:52] *zleap (~zleap@unaffiliated/zleap) has joined #techrights [18:52] techrights-bot A look at latest #kde plasma https://write.as/niccolove/plasma-gets-prettier-and-more-blurred-by-the-day [18:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-write.as | Plasma gets Prettier and more Blurred by the day! niccolove [18:53] schestowitz__ XRevan86: I assume he does manager stuff [18:53] schestowitz__ and may need certain programs some of the time [18:54] XRevan86 schestowitz__: I actually wonder what christel is going through. The actions so far indicate that she doesn't want to deal with stress and maybe that's a sign of severe depression. [18:55] techrights-bot "Qualcomm later confirmed to us that the chipset runs Linux." http://linuxgizmos.com/qualcomm-reveals-tiny-linux-driven-5g-nr-chipset-for-iot/ [18:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ http://linuxgizmos.com/qualcomm-reveals-tiny-linux-driven-5g-nr-chipset-for-iot/ ) [18:55] XRevan86 schestowitz__: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27236433 We changed the url to one that doesn't do a file download. [18:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | We changed the url from https://github.com/freenode/web-7.0/raw/main/static/file... | Hacker News [18:55] XRevan86 that explains it [18:55] schestowitz__ ah, ok [18:55] schestowitz__ and isn't NSA PRISM :-) [18:56] rasengan schestowitz__: I think hacker news posted it to HN (eg changed the URL) I apologize! It was originally github. [18:56] schestowitz__ it's fine, github has many issues [18:56] schestowitz__ github is also an attack on us http://techrights.org/2020/06/15/confessions-of-scott-guthrie/ [18:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Story About Microsofts Plan for GitHub Says a Lot About the Motivations and the Lies Told to Us for Over Half a Decade | Techrights [18:57] XRevan86 (17:56:41) XRevan86: thumbs: I wonder if christel is okay, has anyone tried to contact her? [18:57] XRevan86 (17:57:07) thumbs: I did, she is fine ● May 21 [19:01] schestowitz__ she seems like a nice person [19:01] schestowitz__ also from the global messages she sent across the whole network [19:02] schestowitz__ not worthy of the abusive language in the resignation letters (some that I saw) [19:02] *xvx (~xvx@185.48.63.108) has joined #techrights [19:03] *zleap has quit (Quit: Leaving) [19:03] downey[i] revolutions always eat their own [19:05] techrights-bot ...biggest #covid19 cases (or _new_ cases) figures for #uk today... or today and yesterday... worst in over a month. Just 5 days after reopening pretty much everything. [19:06] schestowitz__ downey[i]: just like corporations [19:06] schestowitz__ human nature [19:06] schestowitz__ corporations are run by very few people... or person [19:09] *schestowitz__ remembers fighting Novell over its patent collusion with Microsoft, which was very much necessary at the time [19:10] schestowitz__ 2006 Hovsepian <3 Ballmer [19:10] schestowitz__ 2016 (planB) Microsoft '<3' Linux [19:10] *psymin_ (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [19:10] schestowitz__ Hovsepian is from IBM BTW [19:10] schestowitz__ then Novell COO, CEO [19:10] schestowitz__ IBM <3 software patents [19:12] techrights-bot #ibm new building "Looks like East German apartments." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aXD5urv#replies maybe put the workers in Poland near all the 'aktion' http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/ibm-germany-history/ [19:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM Leases 150,000 SF Office Space at CrossPoint in Lowell - post regarding IBM layoffs [19:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Documentary: IBM Founder (Watson) Gave a Nazi Salute, Admired Hitler, Said Hitler Was Doing the Right Thing | Techrights [19:14] techrights-bot "If you don't like the Audacity/Firefox projects you can copy the source code and distribute a fork. This is pretty much the only thing "open source" implies." That's what #freesw is. #opensource is a co-opting, rebranding, attack plan. https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006555.html [19:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | Gemini Digest, Vol 22, Issue 18 [19:15] *sbp (~sbp@2001:19f0:6800:1102:5400:ff:fe11:39a1) has joined #techrights [19:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 27.16 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 24.91 swarm size (avg): 225.83 [19:16] techrights-bot 1 year update on the #ThinkPad X1 Yoga laptop https://pointieststick.com/2021/05/20/1-year-update-on-the-thinkpad-x1-yoga-laptop/ with #gnu #linux [19:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pointieststick.com | 1 year update on the ThinkPad X1 Yoga laptop Adventures in Linux and KDE [19:19] schestowitz__ sbp: 0/ [19:22] psydroid I know former colleagues of mine who work at IBM Poland in Wroclaw. IBM also contacted me for a job there, but fortunately it never materialised and I got a job at another company a few months later. [19:22] sbp hi schestowitz__ [19:22] schestowitz__ psydroid: they are everywhere [19:24] sbp I arrived here because I found http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-200521.txt via the blog post which links to it, which I found as techrights is the only mirror in Google hosting the PDF that rasengan posted to the freenode website [19:25] sbp on reading the log, I found many interesting things, but the one that stood out the most was the information that rasengan and tomaw are preparing a joint statement. does anybody here, including rasengan himself perhaps, have any more information about that? [19:25] schestowitz__ I wish to know too [19:27] techrights-bot "Dino, packaged as dino-im in Debian, is an #XMPP chat client. Thanks to the hard work of its developers, Dino has been making progress on supporting video and audio calls." #debian #gnu #linux https://writefreely.debian.social/taowa/video-calling-in-dino-in-experimental-oh-my [19:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-writefreely.debian.social | Video calling in Dino in experimental, oh my! taowa r. [19:28] techrights-bot The #LibreOffice Calc Guide 7.1 is Here! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151439 #freesw #odf #TuxMachines [19:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The LibreOffice Calc Guide 7.1 is Here! | Tux Machines [19:28] techrights-bot #Nemo Mobile brings Glacier UX to the #PinePhone and other Linux handhelds http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151438 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nemo Mobile brings Glacier UX to the PinePhone and other Linux handhelds | Tux Machines [19:28] techrights-bot #opensuse Tumbleweed: #KDE Gear, GTK, Btrfs Update in Tumbleweed http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151437 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Gear, GTK, Btrfs Update in Tumbleweed | Tux Machines [19:30] schestowitz__ sbp: "Currently, tomaw and I have been working on a joint announcement. It's really late where he's at so he's sleeping right now." http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-200521.html#tMay%2020%2000:52:39 [19:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Thursday, May 20, 2021 [19:30] sbp I suppose we'll see it when we see it [19:30] sbp I may have some insight for you regarding this: [19:31] sbp "hes an American and we lack evidence that he bears any resemblance to Trump" [19:31] sbp http://techrights.org/2021/05/21/freenode-facts/ [19:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Freenode Users Exodus as Self-Fulfilling Prophecy Boosted by Those Looking to Gain | Techrights [19:31] sbp I expect that Christine was confusing rasengan with the other Andrew Lee on Twitter, the latter of whom takes a very pro-Trumpian stance in his tweets [19:31] schestowitz__ I'm told another person with the same name supports Trump [19:31] schestowitz__ yes, wait... [19:31] sbp ah, I see the news has already reached you [19:32] schestowitz__ [17:29] stormchaser3000: There's a Trumpist Andrew Lee who is Asian-looking. However, that's not the same Andrew Lee as in Freenode, Ltd. and PIA. [19:32] XRevan86 sbp: Yea, I said that earlier. [19:32] sbp apologies, I missed that [19:32] schestowitz__ [17:28] >> Andrew Lee as a "trumpist" a [19:32] schestowitz__ [17:28] "IF YOU SUPPORT FREENODE, YOU LITERALLY SUPPORT WHITE SUPREMACY!" [19:32] schestowitz__ but the myth moves fast [19:32] schestowitz__ calling him something bad [19:32] *wineroots (f24d257755@gateway/shell/disroot.org/x-enbxdoowdnglrdnx) has joined #techrights [19:33] schestowitz__ I saw the RMS hare going down like that [19:33] schestowitz__ too [19:33] schestowitz__ let me show you [19:33] schestowitz__ a gallery of headlines... [19:33] schestowitz__ https://stallmansupport.org/images/defamation.png [19:33] schestowitz__ replace "jew" with "Korean" [19:33] XRevan86 sbp: The avatar is literally a photograph and the people couldn't even fact-check a face. [19:33] schestowitz__ or "epstein" with "Trump [19:33] sbp I noticed that amongst my friends and other acquaintances on the server, their position on the political spectrum was strongly correlated with how likely they were to move to the alternative network [19:33] schestowitz__ it's classism and stuff [19:34] *sbp kept somewhat abreast of the rms situation, indeed [19:35] sbp when he was asked about this in #freenode-staff-discussion, rasengan linked a media article that mentioned both him and the other Andrew Lee in the same sentence. but it was either overlooked or ignored; I don't recall a single person indicating that they understood the implication [19:37] sbp 20:25:47 <@rasengan> catgirl: 2 - https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto [19:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Handshake Revealed: VCs Back Plan to Give Away $100 Million in Crypto - CoinDesk [19:37] sbp from https://paste.sr.ht/blob/4f5c7a6b3f6adb4697572f8cd77582fa16a123de [19:37] techrights-bot "Mighty Goose from Blastmode, MP2 Games and PLAYISM was announced recently ready for release on June 5. It looks incredible and it will be supported on #GNU #Linux ." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/mighty-goose-looks-like-a-stupidly-entertaining-colourful-run-and-gun-game [19:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mighty Goose looks like a stupidly entertaining colourful run and gun game | GamingOnLinux [19:38] -rasengan-[Global Notice] We are aware of the Libera Chat spambots and are working to address it. To help mitigate, please set umode +R to prevent non-registered nicks from messaging you. Thank you for your patience, and thank you for your support of freenode! [19:39] techrights-bot #Qualcomm reveals tiny Linux-driven 5G NR chipset for IoT http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151440 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Qualcomm reveals tiny Linux-driven 5G NR chipset for IoT | Tux Machines [19:40] baronhk[m]1 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9605499/Microsoft-CEO-sticks-knife-Bill-Gates-affair-staff-member-revealed.html [19:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | Microsoft CEO sticks knife into Bill Gates after affair with staff member was revealed | Daily Mail Online [19:41] baronhk[m]1 From shaking hands with "Grab em by the pussy!" Trump to knifing Bill Gates for the same sort of behavior. [19:43] techrights-bot Tuxedo takes on Apple's MacBook with new 3K Linux laptop equipped with Intel's latest 11th Gen CPU http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151387#comment-29720 #gnu #linux [19:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | TUXEDOs Latest Linux Laptop is All About the Screen | Tux Machines [19:46] schestowitz__ baronhk[m]1: because politics [19:47] schestowitz__ anyway, it distracts from the real/bigger scandal [19:47] techrights-bot #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151443 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:47] schestowitz__ either way: [19:47] schestowitz__ 1) expect less "funded by Gates FOundation" fluff [19:47] schestowitz__ and [19:47] schestowitz__ 2) almost no more "bill says" puff pieces [19:48] schestowitz__ and that already removes some noticeable proportion of noise-as-news [19:48] techrights-bot #Games: Driver 2, Mighty Goose, and Busy Beaver http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151442 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Driver 2, Mighty Goose, and Busy Beaver | Tux Machines [19:48] techrights-bot #ClearLinux Offers Up Advantages For Ice Lake Xeon, #CentOS Comes In Strong http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151441 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Clear Linux Offers Up Advantages For Ice Lake Xeon, CentOS Comes In Strong | Tux Machines [19:55] techrights-bot #techrights already warned about (and attempted to prevent) #freenode chaos 8 days ago http://techrights.org/2021/05/13/private-internet-access-and-freenode/ [19:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Andrew Lee of Private Internet Access/London Trust Media Increasingly Owns and Controls Freenode (Updatedx2) | Techrights ● May 21 [20:12] techrights-bot #OpenHardware /Modding: Seeed Studio, Arduino, #Pinebook Pro http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151447 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware/Modding: Seeed Studio, Arduino, Pinebook Pro | Tux Machines [20:12] techrights-bot #XMPP /Dino in #Debian , #LibreWolf in Debian-based Sparky, and Next Firefox http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151446 #TuxMachines [20:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | XMPP/Dino in Debian, LibreWolf in Debian-based Sparky, and Next Firefox | Tux Machines [20:12] techrights-bot #Standards / #Consortia Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151445 #TuxMachines [20:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Standards/Consortia Leftovers | Tux Machines [20:12] techrights-bot #Security and #ProprietarySoftware http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151444 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security and Proprietary Software | Tux Machines [20:24] *phebus has quit (Quit: POKE 1,0) [20:24] techrights-bot Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151449 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [20:25] techrights-bot Videos and Shows: Plasma, Sonic Robo Blast 2, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151448 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Videos and Shows: Plasma, Sonic Robo Blast 2, and More | Tux Machines [20:25] techrights-bot Links 21/5/2021: #TuxedoInfinity Book Pro 14 and #Qualcomm Putting Linux on Chips http://techrights.org/2021/05/21/qualcomm-putting-linux-on-chips/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/21/qualcomm-putting-linux-on-chips/ [20:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 21/5/2021: Tuxedo Infinity Book Pro 14 and Qualcomm Putting Linux on Chips | Techrights [20:29] techrights-bot The EPO's War on #Justice and Assault on the #Law -- Part 16 will be published tomorrow morning. #epo #corruption #coverup [20:33] *AVRS (~AVRS@wikimedia/AVRS) has joined #techrights [20:38] techrights-bot #RHEL 8.4 released and here is #HowTo upgrade 8.3 to 8.4 - nixCraft https://www.cyberciti.biz/linux-news/rhel-8-4-released-update-upgrade-8-3-to-8-4/ #cyberciti | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/21/#latest [20:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cyberciti.biz | RHEL 8.4 released and here is how to upgrade 8.3 to 8.4 - nixCraft [20:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [20:39] techrights-bot #HowTo Install #Lumina Desktop on Ubuntu - Linux Hint https://linuxhint.com/install-lumina-desktop-on-ubuntu/ #LinuxHint #GNU #Linux [20:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxhint.com | How to Install Lumina Desktop on Ubuntu Linux Hint [20:41] schestowitz__ AVRS: any updates? [20:42] schestowitz__ things seems to be settling down somewhat, I hope... [20:42] XRevan86 "any updates?" on what? [20:43] schestowitz__ you know.. [20:43] schestowitz__ . [20:43] schestowitz__ I saw haiku left [20:43] XRevan86 ah [20:43] schestowitz__ but little apart from it [20:43] schestowitz__ that was 2 days ago [20:43] XRevan86 They left to OFTC, right? [20:43] XRevan86 yea [20:44] downey[i] XRevan86: https://www.haiku-os.org/news/2021-05-19_haiku_is_moving_to_oftc/ [20:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.haiku-os.org | Haiku's IRC channels are moving to OFTC! | Haiku Project [20:44] schestowitz__ yes, I saw that [20:45] schestowitz__ I've noticed some censorship in matrix lately [20:45] schestowitz__ also github, reddit, parler now back only conditionally [20:45] schestowitz__ but it's not a "wing" thing [20:45] schestowitz__ many treat speech like "passing fed" [20:45] schestowitz__ it's the new "woke" or "hip" thing [20:45] schestowitz__ as if speech is the same as violence [20:46] schestowitz__ if people plan insurrection on parler, that's one thing [20:46] AVRS no updates [20:46] schestowitz__ but now with things like "coc" and "hate speech" it extends to new territories [20:47] MinceR https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wkumari-not-a-draft-13 [20:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-datatracker.ietf.org | draft-wkumari-not-a-draft-13 [20:51] *AVRS has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.0) [20:51] *AVRS (~AVRS@wikimedia/AVRS) has joined #techrights [20:51] *zleap (~zleap@unaffiliated/zleap) has joined #techrights [20:54] lockeanarchist schestowitz__: Matrix is becoming like the fediverse, unfortunately [20:55] techrights-bot 20 or 10 years ago the #gnu #linux world had far fewer dimensions of divisive politics in the community. I blame corporations for interjecting that, as well as #corporateMedia (keeping us divided and untrusting of people around us, potential allies). [20:55] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [20:56] techrights-bot If you are willing to fight fellow developers over the use of the string "master" in a git repo but not fight over things like Military Contractors disguised as "Big Tech", then something is wrong and you've been conned [20:56] lockeanarchist they ban ppl, ppl self-host and they ban the instances [20:56] lockeanarchist they ban ppl, ppl self-host and then they ban the instances [20:57] schestowitz__ [20:54] schestowitz__: Matrix is becoming like the fediverse, unfortunately [20:57] schestowitz__ that is enough for me to know we can remain 'on' Matrix only via bridges [20:57] schestowitz__ baronhk[m]1 was banned by them [20:57] schestowitz__ over something relatively innocuous, iirc [20:58] schestowitz__ [20:56] they ban ppl, ppl self-host and then they ban the instances [20:58] schestowitz__ diaspora has been more forthcoming in that regard, I rarely hear about banned instances [20:59] lockeanarchist The problem with these schisms is that or you participate to a woke instance or you participate from a "freespeech" instance [20:59] schestowitz__ "you have the right of speech... to speak freely in your own auditorium.., the pathway to which we'll obstruct" ● May 21 [21:00] lockeanarchist if you self host and RT someone from a "freespeech" instance is possible that woke instances ban you [21:00] schestowitz__ BTW [21:00] schestowitz__ RSS [21:00] schestowitz__ same issue [21:00] schestowitz__ IF [21:00] schestowitz__ you rely on planets and other aggregators [21:00] schestowitz__ the aggregators become chokepoints with "masters" [21:00] schestowitz__ and then can cut you off without anyone noticing [21:01] schestowitz__ hubs like Google News are the same [21:01] schestowitz__ they're filters [21:02] lockeanarchist it is sad that the best middle ground is becoming proprietary things like Telegram. But I always delete my account [21:03] schestowitz__ Telegram isa joke [21:03] schestowitz__ some 'open' clients [21:03] schestowitz__ no e2ee [21:03] lockeanarchist Durov broke his promise, he said that he would open the backend [21:03] schestowitz__ prorprietary server side [21:03] schestowitz__ cooperation with governments [21:03] schestowitz__ and censorship I've heard, almost in every country [21:03] lockeanarchist I don't care about E2EE if the backend is open and safe [21:03] lockeanarchist but now they are indefensable [21:03] schestowitz__ Durov also said his staff was being corrupted for access [21:04] schestowitz__ e2ee would still be needed [21:04] schestowitz__ because you do not know what binaries they deploy [21:04] schestowitz__ and when/where [21:04] schestowitz__ either willingly or by accident [21:04] *inky (~inky@141.136.77.22) has joined #techrights [21:04] schestowitz__ like moles [21:04] lockeanarchist Telegram says that their clients are reproducible [21:04] schestowitz__ e2ee takes care of that [21:05] lockeanarchist Never verified it [21:05] schestowitz__ lockeanarchist: people get them from stores controlled by NSA companies [21:05] schestowitz__ it only takes a few bit flips to break [21:05] schestowitz__ like lowering entropy [21:06] lockeanarchist My problem with telegram is that Durov broke his promise because he wants to lock in people inside his platform [21:06] XRevan86 Does anyone here trust Durov? [21:06] lockeanarchist I trust him more than Facebook and that's it [21:06] lockeanarchist not that high [21:07] XRevan86 lockeanarchist: That's fair. [21:07] lockeanarchist maybe google too [21:08] techrights-bot #LinuxMint 20.1 Ulyssa Install Guide - If Not True Then False https://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2021/linux-mint-install-guide/ #if-not-true-then-false | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/21/#latest [21:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.if-not-true-then-false.com | Linux Mint 20.1 Ulyssa Install Guide If Not True Then False [21:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [21:09] techrights-bot #HowTo Self-Host Using #Bitwarden - Linux Hint https://linuxhint.com/self-host-using-bitwarden/ #LinuxHint #GNU #Linux [21:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxhint.com | How to Self-Host Using Bitwarden Linux Hint [21:09] lockeanarchist The problem with telegram is that they promise safety but when you see it's just a "bro, trust me". They need just to be honest with their users [21:11] *sbp has quit (Changing host) [21:11] *sbp (~sbp@apache/doge/sbp) has joined #techrights [21:12] *phebus (~phebus@fsf/member/phebus) has joined #techrights [21:12] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151450 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [21:12] schestowitz__ lockeanarchist: see what happened to them in Iran [21:12] schestowitz__ 1-2 years ago [21:13] lockeanarchist schestowitz__: to be fair it happened with a alternative client called "Telegram gold" [21:13] lockeanarchist not with the official one [21:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 26.36 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 52.18 swarm size (avg): 225.89 [21:17] schestowitz__ never heard of it [21:17] schestowitz__ sounds like the dodgy "freemium" model [21:17] schestowitz__ "use our shit, buy our gold" [21:22] lockeanarchist schestowitz__: Telegram is officially blocked on Iran, government agents created tampered telegram clients with "bundled vpn" and people installed it [21:22] schestowitz__ seems like almost 6,000 people have downloaded the PDF rasengan wrote, at least from our server [21:22] lockeanarchist Telegram Gold was one of them [21:22] lockeanarchist *in iran [21:22] techrights-bot #antiX 19.4 available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151451 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | antiX-19.4 available | Tux Machines [21:23] schestowitz__ I guess project leaders had some disquiet over the situation [21:23] schestowitz__ over something that's not as big as they were led to think [21:25] techrights-bot "Just like previous titles developed in-house by the teams at PDS, it looks like it will once again be supporting #GNU #Linux with it setup on Steam ready to have Linux system requirements once again (once they're finalised, it's all "TBC" right now)." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/paradox-interactive-finally-announces-the-hotly-anticipated-victoria-3 [21:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Paradox Interactive finally announces the hotly anticipated Victoria 3 | GamingOnLinux [21:25] techrights-bot "Them's Fightin' Herds is a wonderful fighting game that came to #GNU #Linux officially recently, and with the 2.1.0 update that's out now it looks graphically better than ever." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/thems-fightin-herds-looks-better-than-ever-with-the-hd-upgrade-out-now [21:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Them's Fightin' Herds looks better than ever with the HD upgrade out now | GamingOnLinux [21:26] search_social 19:59:10 <+lockeanarchist> The problem with these schisms is that or you participate to a woke instance or you participate from a "freespeech" instance [21:26] search_social qoto.org is a good instance [21:27] techrights-bot "...hopefully it will continue the tradition of #GNU #Linux support." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/multiple-paradox-titles-free-to-play-this-weekend-along-with-a-big-sale-for-pdxcon [21:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Multiple Paradox titles free to play this weekend along with a big sale for PDXCON | GamingOnLinux [21:27] *zleap has quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:30] lockeanarchist search_social: cool, thanks for the suggestion. looks like a good middle ground [21:30] techrights-bot #gemlogging of microblogging over #GeminiProtocl i.e. gemini:// https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006538.html #freesw #internet [21:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | Lace format Formally Re: [users] Introducing gemthought, a format for micro gemlogging [21:30] techrights-bot #Games : Crusader Kings III, Victoria 3, Thems Fightin Herds, PDXCON http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151452 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Crusader Kings III, Victoria 3, Them's Fightin' Herds, PDXCON | Tux Machines [21:31] techrights-bot #ibm #redhat say you need to replace or shuffle around the buzzword and hype for "success" https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/5/agile-strategy-tips how about... hiring better engineers? Nope. [meme: man thrown out the window] [21:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | Agile: How to make your strategy succeed | The Enterprisers Project [21:32] schestowitz__ search_social: it can go offline [21:32] schestowitz__ lots of quicksands on the web these days [21:32] schestowitz__ more so than the internet [21:32] schestowitz__ but dns still poses a threat [21:32] schestowitz__ ISPs less so [21:33] schestowitz__ never heard of people being disconnected for objectionable speech [21:33] schestowitz__ not in 'civilised' countries anyway [21:33] schestowitz__ in some countries they just kidnap you and put you in a cell without even a phone, so it's irrelevant what the ISP does [21:34] techrights-bot Stability plus innovation: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.4 is now GA https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/stability-plus-innovation-red-hat-enterprise-linux-84-now-ga #rhel #ibm #redhat #gnu #linux [21:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Stability plus innovation: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.4 is now GA [21:37] techrights-bot #RedHat announced Developer Sandbox and new solutions to help get started with #Kubernetes https://sdtimes.com/softwaredev/red-hat-announced-developer-sandbox-and-new-solutions-to-help-get-started-with-kubernetes/ create/introduce complexity, then offer management-as-a-service (to manage this complexity) [21:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sdtimes.com | Red Hat Developer Sandbox Latest News [21:42] *psymin_ has quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:42] techrights-bot #Linux 5.13 Release Candidate 3 Fixes 37 Patches From Banned University http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/150248?page=1#comment-29721 [21:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Heres Why University of Minnesota is Likely to be Banned from Contributing to Linux Kernel Code | Tux Machines [21:45] techrights-bot I wonder, will postdocs and students at University of Minnesota (UMN) sue their colleges/universities for compelling them to carry out sabotage to earn degrees, totally destroying their names (and employment/career prospects) in the process? Whose idea was it? Supervisor/advisor? #kernel #linux [21:49] techrights-bot Best File #Encryption Apps for #GNULinux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151453 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best File Encryption Apps for Linux | Tux Machines [21:51] techrights-bot #Perl 5.34.0 released https://lwn.net/Articles/856926/rss #programming [21:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Perl 5.34.0 released [LWN.net] [21:53] techrights-bot #GNU #Linux in the Ham Shack (LHS) Episode #413: The Weekender LXXII https://lhspodcast.info/2021/05/lhs-episode-413-the-weekender-lxxii-2/ [21:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lhspodcast.info | LHS Episode #413: The Weekender LXXII | Linux in the Ham Shack [21:54] techrights-bot #openSUSE #Tumbleweed Review of the week 2021/20 http://dominique.leuenberger.net/blog/2021/05/opensuse-tumbleweed-review-of-the-week-2021-20/ #suse #gnu #linux [21:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dominique.leuenberger.net | openSUSE Tumbleweed Review of the week 2021/20 Dominique a.k.a. DimStar (Dim*) [21:54] techrights-bot #IBM / #RedHat : Release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.4 and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151454 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat: Release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.4 and More | Tux Machines [21:57] techrights-bot #SiFive #HiFive Unmatched #RISCV Developer Boards Begin Shipping - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=SiFive-HiFive-Unmatched-Ships #Phoronix | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/21/#latest [21:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SiFive HiFive Unmatched RISC-V Developer Boards Begin Shipping - Phoronix [21:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [21:59] techrights-bot Stop using #DuckDuckGo ... it's just #surveillance of #microsoft in 'privacy' (false, a lie) clothing. ● May 21 [22:01] *phobos has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [22:02] techrights-bot #Foamin is a novel sensing method for detecting deformable gestures with conductive foam | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/05/21/foamin-is-a-novel-sensing-method-for-detecting-deformable-gestures-with-conductive-foam/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking [22:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | Foamin is a novel sensing method for detecting deformable gestures with conductive foam | Arduino Blog [22:03] techrights-bot $99 SBC runs Linux on #RISCV based #Allwinner D1 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151456 #Linux #TuxMachines [22:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | $99 SBC runs Linux on RISC-V based Allwinner D1 | Tux Machines [22:03] techrights-bot #CSIRO s #seL4 project shut down http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151455 #TuxMachines http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/CSIRO [22:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CSIRO's seL4 project shut down | Tux Machines [22:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | CSIRO - Techrights [22:06] techrights-bot #XDC2021 Goes Virtual Again As Annual #Wayland / Mesa / #XOrg Summit - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=XDC2021-Is-Virtual #Phoronix #Kernel [22:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-XDC2021 Goes Virtual Again As Annual Wayland / Mesa / X.Org Summit - Phoronix [22:06] techrights-bot #NVIDIA 470 Series To Be The Last Supporting GTX 600/700 Series Kepler - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-470-Ends-Kepler #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/21/#latest [22:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NVIDIA 470 Series To Be The Last Supporting GTX 600/700 Series Kepler - Phoronix [22:07] techrights-bot #Dutch #DigitalAutonomy must be based on #FreeSoftware and Open Standards http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151457 #freesw #TuxMachines [22:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Dutch Digital Autonomy must be based on Free Software and Open Standards | Tux Machines [22:08] opal freenode no longer has sigyn's configs [22:08] opal mailservers are evidently no longer configured either [22:12] schestowitz__ sigyn? [22:12] MinceR antispam bot [22:13] schestowitz__ was that removed? [22:13] MinceR still seems to be connected [22:13] MinceR other than that, i don't know [22:13] opal < Ariadne> literally, sigyn's config was wiped [22:14] opal its just a bot that does nothing now [22:14] MinceR great [22:14] schestowitz__ wiped off things like ips and stuff? [22:14] schestowitz__ or the code itself wiped? [22:14] schestowitz__ does it retain a list of offenders? [22:14] opal whatever filters were in place i guess [22:14] opal sigyn uses heuristics to kill people off [22:14] schestowitz__ "hey hi" [22:15] schestowitz__ that's what media calls it now [22:15] XRevan86 opal: Oh, that donor machine pulling wiped the anti-spam too? [22:15] schestowitz__ no backups or stacks of dumps with configs still intact? [22:15] XRevan86 who's the sponsor that did that, by the way? [22:15] opal unsure [22:15] opal doubt it was a public server in the first place [22:17] techrights-bot Linux Plumbers Conference: Scheduler Microconference Accepted into 2021 Linux Plumbers Conference https://www.linuxplumbersconf.org/blog/2021/index.php/2021/05/20/scheduler-microconference-accepted-into-2021-linux-plumbers-conference/ #linux #kernel [22:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxplumbersconf.org | Scheduler Microconference Accepted into 2021 Linux Plumbers Conference Linux Plumbers Conference 2021 [22:18] techrights-bot "In the Cockpit team we recently started to generate and export metrics about our CI, and collect/graph them by a Red Hat internal Prometheus and Grafana instance. But I am not happy with this yet, as it does not yet answer all the questions that we have for it. Also, it is not accessible outside of Red Hat." https://piware.de/post/2021-05-21-learning-metrics/ [22:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-piware.de | Deploying Prometheus/Grafana, learning metrics Martin Pitt [22:19] techrights-bot The #Apache News Round-up: week ending 21 May 2021 https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-news-round-up227 #freesw [22:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.apache.org | The Apache News Round-up: week ending 21 May 2021 : The Apache Software Foundation Blog [22:20] *AVRS has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [22:21] schestowitz__ opal: better to sort it all out before, not during, an attack [22:21] schestowitz__ we only recently figured out how to make tuxmachines robust to nasty floods [22:21] schestowitz__ after 3 months of pain and downtimes [22:22] opal well if you want to help out freenode in combating spam with what you know, im sure it'd be welcome [22:23] schestowitz__ I lack experience with irc daemons [22:23] opal if not you then anyone capable [22:23] schestowitz__ i did some openfire but that was it [22:23] opal mm [22:23] schestowitz__ irc is an important skills [22:23] schestowitz__ more so if it is becoming rare and hard to find [22:23] schestowitz__ MinceR might know bits and bobs [22:24] schestowitz__ and maybe could use a gig [22:24] MinceR not that much, sadly [22:24] schestowitz__ I'd vouch for him, but not sure if he did backend irc things (I never did) [22:24] MinceR i saw how the spamfilter works in unreal today, which is neat [22:24] MinceR i've done very little on the ircd side so far [22:24] schestowitz__ kaniini wrote a daemon [22:25] XRevan86 schestowitz__: But kaniini also left [22:27] techrights-bot #RHEL 8.4 Released With Tiger Lake Graphics, Expanded #eBPF Support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151454#comment-29723 #redhat [22:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat: Release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.4 and More | Tux Machines [22:28] XRevan86 schestowitz__: I doubt that she'll help. [22:30] techrights-bot #Wine 6.9 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151458 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine 6.9 | Tux Machines [22:31] opal yeah she wants no part in freenode operations [22:31] opal focused more on alpine these days [22:32] techrights-bot "My Day job has me messing around with QT5. Were building various RPMs for different RHEL and CentOS versions, and I wanted to get a little more experience on this. Specifically, I wanted to be able to do trial and error on a package that would not pollute our work stream." http://adam.younglogic.com/2021/05/upgrading-qgo-to-qt5/ [22:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-adam.younglogic.com | Upgrading QGo to QT5 | Adam Youngs Web Log [22:33] techrights-bot " #Fedora Linux 32 will reach end of life on Tuesday 25 May. Elections voting is open through 3 June." https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fridays-fedora-facts-2021-20/ [22:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | Friday's Fedora Facts: 2021-20 Fedora Community Blog [22:33] XRevan86 opal: And moving the Alpine's channels to OFTC of course. [22:33] MinceR oftc seems to be having trouble with spam as well [22:33] opal lol [22:34] opal oftc and spam havent changed i guess [22:34] schestowitz__ [22:31] focused more on alpine these days\ [22:34] opal i went hard on that network back in the day [22:34] schestowitz__ alpine is doing very well [22:34] MinceR kinky [22:34] opal half of them probably still hate me [22:34] opal i know tomaw doesnt trust me [22:34] opal oftc had garbage antispam [22:35] schestowitz__ I need to read up more on them [22:35] schestowitz__ esp. who runs it and how it's governed [22:35] schestowitz__ servers don't run on air [22:35] opal move to efnet [22:35] schestowitz__ the cloud doesn't run on gas [22:35] opal problem solved [22:35] MinceR lol [22:36] schestowitz__ someone needs to pay for and run servers [22:36] opal on efnet we all know the opers are shit [22:36] opal the servers are shit [22:36] MinceR run a botnet to keep ops on the channel [22:36] opal the channels are shit [22:36] MinceR run another botnet to keep my nick [22:36] opal chanfix has u covered [22:36] schestowitz__ they have this Utopian idea of IRC just operating from a vacuum and being politics-free [22:36] MinceR or not [22:36] opal jupes are less common now unless you actively piss some groups off [22:36] opal i know the people juping my nick fucked off by now [22:37] MinceR "CHANFIX is an EFnet service that can sometimes give back ops when you lose all ops or get taken over by outsiders." (emphasis mine) [22:37] MinceR what a glowing recommendation. [22:37] opal i.e. under certain conditions [22:37] opal normal operation yeah it gives you ops as appropriate [22:37] MinceR at least they're honest about it, unlike +R on ircnet [22:37] schestowitz__ lol "sometimes" [22:37] opal better than ircnet's services [22:37] opal which are: literally nothing [22:37] opal yeah [22:38] opal safechans are a joke [22:38] opal rest of the world moved to timestamping [22:38] MinceR ircnet is a joke [22:38] opal ^ [22:38] opal something we all can agree on [22:38] MinceR :> [22:39] opal got my channel there taken over by splitriding italians lmao [22:39] MinceR lol [22:39] opal fuckin mafia [22:39] opal theyve upped their game [22:39] schestowitz__ I got death threats from one [22:39] opal loool [22:39] schestowitz__ not funny to me [22:39] opal sorry [22:39] CrystalMath MinceR: i think i've pretty firmly burnt my bridge to libera [22:39] MinceR how? [22:39] schestowitz__ I was told to report to the police, but never bothered [22:39] opal i dont take much online seriously so i just laugh [22:39] schestowitz__ he had an old home address of mine [22:40] schestowitz__ from icann iirc [22:40] opal ah yeah thats different [22:40] opal ive only received empty death threats [22:40] schestowitz__ CrystalMath: good [22:40] opal i imagine if someones threatening to come to my house [22:40] opal well, god bless the second amendment, right [22:40] CrystalMath MinceR: i closed my channel there and now people are told to go to freenode [22:40] MinceR :) [22:40] CrystalMath the one that i had "expanded" as just an outpost, it still linked to freenode in the topic [22:40] schestowitz__ yay [22:41] CrystalMath i will also release ##techrights [22:41] CrystalMath CrystalMath Channel Holding Services, LLC is officially defunct [22:41] schestowitz__ did anyone utter something there? [22:41] CrystalMath i lost a friend over this [22:41] schestowitz__ CrystalMath: try SexRights [22:41] schestowitz__ LLC [22:41] CrystalMath someone i knew for 8 years [22:41] CrystalMath but he really likes ex-freenode staff, i don't know why [22:42] schestowitz__ I liked christel [22:42] schestowitz__ I lost track of who among staff helped me when I needed things set up or channel configs [22:42] schestowitz__ tomaw was ok (still is, afaik) [22:43] opal i can name the staff who klined me and the staff who helped me [22:43] opal heavy overlap between the two [22:43] opal lol [22:43] MinceR :> [22:43] schestowitz__ rasengan: "Currently, tomaw and I have been working on a joint announcement. It's really late where he's at so he's sleeping right now." http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-200521.html#tMay%2020%2000:52:39 [22:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Thursday, May 20, 2021 [22:43] schestowitz__ any update on this? [22:43] CrystalMath schestowitz__: ##techrights on libera dropped [22:43] schestowitz__ hopefully nobody spoke there [22:44] CrystalMath nope [22:44] CrystalMath it was constantly empty [22:44] CrystalMath i just squatted it :P [22:44] schestowitz__ also, setting up such channels helps them perpetuate this idea people flock over [22:44] schestowitz__ and can cause panic [22:44] CrystalMath yeah [22:44] CrystalMath it's gone [22:44] schestowitz__ like Microsoft keeping deleted github accounts [22:44] schestowitz__ I deleted mine before they announced the takeover [22:45] schestowitz__ there was nothing of use in that account, it was a placeholder for work (employer) [22:45] schestowitz__ [22:41] CrystalMath Channel Holding Services, LLC is officially defunct [22:45] schestowitz__ Maybe Andrew wants to buy the assets ;-) [22:46] opal lol [22:46] CrystalMath the assets have been liquidated, and have a value of $0.00 [22:46] schestowitz__ codeplex too [22:46] schestowitz__ thrown in the mix free of charge [22:46] schestowitz__ like MSN Spaces offloaded onto WordPress/Automattic [22:46] schestowitz__ and googlecode [22:47] schestowitz__ CrystalMath: going once, going twice... sold to Roy... for no money! [22:47] *schestowitz__ pours : #techrights @ libra down some river [22:47] CrystalMath yes but i don't exactly have anything... yeah [22:47] schestowitz__ *libera [22:48] schestowitz__ libra as a word was ruined by Facebook [22:48] CrystalMath i call it irc.liberal.crap sometimes, but you won't like that joke [22:48] schestowitz__ liberal is also a dying term [22:48] schestowitz__ because it means something corproate [22:48] schestowitz__ like HRC "liberal" or Obama [22:48] schestowitz__ people on the left aren't attentive [22:49] schestowitz__ in the UK we have "liberal" democrats [22:49] trttl hrt liberal [22:49] schestowitz__ who make coalitions to boost Cameron and his fellow crooks [22:49] opal yeah because all sjws are trannies right [22:49] schestowitz__ there are very few trans overall (in the world) [22:49] XRevan86 opal: Ye definitely won't win kaniini over with that. [22:50] psydroid it may be worth digging into the interests behind libera.chat [22:50] opal im trans and kaniini knows me full well [22:50] schestowitz__ liberals is some label that refers to like half the population in the US [22:50] MinceR "liberal" was stripped of meaning like so many other political terms [22:50] XRevan86 opal: Oh, never mind then :D [22:50] opal lol [22:50] opal shes on my network rn [22:50] schestowitz__ MinceR: in hungary that was maybe reduced to "not Orban" [22:51] MinceR in hungary, everyone who disagrees with the gypsy king is "left liberal" [22:51] schestowitz__ Tyson Viktor Fury [22:51] baronhk[m]1 The Human Rights Campaign (LGBT PAC) lost over two thirds of its members and more or less collapsed over endorsing Hillary in 2016. [22:52] schestowitz__ MinceR: and also "Soros shill" [22:52] schestowitz__ baronhk[m]1: she had opposed gay marriage [22:52] baronhk[m]1 They kept saying Bernie would lose to Trump and we'd suffer disastrous setbacks. So they helped Clinton, she lost, and we suffered a disaster. [22:52] MinceR indeed [22:52] MinceR also, "Gyurcsany" [22:52] schestowitz__ she didn't even have to say ANYTHING [22:53] baronhk[m]1 Illinois passed gay marriage a long time before the court rulings. The Marriage Equality and Religious Fairness Act. [22:54] baronhk[m]1 The Religious Fairness part was basically they don't have to officiate if they don't like it. [22:54] schestowitz__ to sway the election you now need a group a few millions in size [22:54] *Glyphie44____ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [22:54] schestowitz__ trans voters are probably as many as say... "Vietnamese-Americans" [22:54] MinceR does the US have a concept of nonreligious marriage? [22:55] schestowitz__ yes [22:55] schestowitz__ civil marriage [22:55] MinceR good [22:55] schestowitz__ same as in most of EU [22:55] schestowitz__ rianne and I had civil service [22:55] MinceR though it would be better if the state got out of marriage entirely [22:56] schestowitz__ municipalities do that [22:56] schestowitz__ then you can certify with states [22:56] schestowitz__ or natiosn [22:58] CrystalMath schestowitz__: all done, akick set up, disconnected from the network, friends permantnly lost [22:58] CrystalMath a thousand curses upon tomaw for doing this [22:59] *Glyphie44____ (sid163528@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-badvidmuuurnzlxu) has joined #techrights ● May 21 [23:00] techrights-bot 7 best practices to ensure your CI/CD pipeline's #security https://searchitoperations.techtarget.com/tip/7-best-practices-to-ensure-your-CI-CD-pipelines-security [23:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-searchitoperations.techtarget.com | 7 best practices to ensure your CI/CD pipeline's security [23:02] techrights-bot Old: #ibm #monopoly with #patents thrown in the mix https://lwn.net/Articles/382350/ [23:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IBM and the labors of TurboHercules [LWN.net] [23:03] schestowitz__ CrystalMath: what did he do? [23:03] CrystalMath schestowitz__: he decided to stop talking to me forever because i stick with freenode [23:03] schestowitz__ as a whole you mean? [23:03] CrystalMath oh, tomaw? [23:03] CrystalMath tomaw for starting this mess [23:03] schestowitz__ so I don't suppose a joint statement from him and Andrew is still in the making [23:03] CrystalMath tomaw quit, so no [23:04] CrystalMath later that day [23:04] schestowitz__ balkanisation of free software comms [23:04] schestowitz__ great stuff [23:04] schestowitz__ some people I can no longer pm [23:04] schestowitz__ inc. kaniini [23:04] CrystalMath terrible [23:04] CrystalMath i just wanted all my friends to stay here at least [23:04] CrystalMath but one was sadly lost [23:04] schestowitz__ maybe will come back [23:04] schestowitz__ can be on both [23:05] CrystalMath he said he won't ever talk to me again [23:05] CrystalMath because i support freenode instaed of irc.liberal.crap [23:05] MinceR is having multiple irc networks "balkanisation"? [23:05] MinceR i think it's competition [23:05] CrystalMath MinceR: if people quit one, that's a problem [23:05] schestowitz__ lol Rob Enderle: "The Windows 21H1 update, and why I wont miss Windows 10X" [23:05] schestowitz__ He still writes? In IDG now... [23:05] CrystalMath MinceR: and they seem to be at war [23:05] schestowitz__ Still shilling Microsoft [23:06] CrystalMath MinceR: irc.liberal.crap is still spreading bullcrap stories about PIA [23:06] schestowitz__ [23:05] i think it's competition [23:06] CrystalMath and they've sent some spammers here too [23:06] schestowitz__ yes, that's the 'upside' [23:06] MinceR if you mean the spambots, i doubt those have to do with either network [23:07] CrystalMath MinceR: there was spam here [23:07] CrystalMath on some channels [23:07] CrystalMath and the spammers are spamming about irc.liberal.crap [23:08] techrights-bot Rob Enderle in #IDG ... Still shilling Microsoft. Still reaffirming what we've long said about him. #microsoft #enderle #fakeAnalyst [23:08] CrystalMath MinceR: even on LunarIRC we got them! [23:08] MinceR i could start a spam botnet and spam people with saying nice things about you, that wouldn't make you guilty of spamming [23:08] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Of course they do, that's what called an [23:08] MinceR today i found out it's called a "Joe job" [23:09] XRevan86 infocause literally [23:11] XRevan86 And that spam damages reputation of both networks. [23:11] baronhk[m]1 As long as you do it before the license to marry expires. [23:11] baronhk[m]1 Legally it's the same whether it's a judge or a religious figure officiating. [23:11] XRevan86 Freenode for failing to combat spam, Libera Chat for trying to tie it with unsolicited messages, illegal materials, racism, etc. [23:11] techrights-bot #Monopolies #apple https://www.streetinsider.com/General+News/Apple+App+Store+profits+look+disproportionate%2C+U.S.+judge+tells+CEO+Cook/18456617.html [23:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.streetinsider.com | Apple App Store profits look 'disproportionate,' U.S. judge tells CEO Cook [23:13] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Can ye reference someone from the Libera Chat staff writing negative things about PIA related to this whole thing? [23:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.76 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 67.45 swarm size (avg): 225.95 [23:15] techrights-bot #politics #corruption https://www.politico.com/newsletters/morning-tech/2021/05/21/facebook-backed-group-adds-former-lawmakers-795463 [23:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Facebook-backed group adds former lawmakers - POLITICO [23:17] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [23:17] CrystalMath XRevan86: well you know i wanted to back that up with something but, when i did a /who there, i found only one person who is staff and that guy said nothing [23:17] CrystalMath amdj@libera/staff/amdj [23:17] CrystalMath i have no clue who that is [23:17] techrights-bot Low Cost #RaspberryPi Alternative #RISCV Board Starts Crowdfunding http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151459 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [23:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Low Cost Raspberry Pi Alternative RISC-V Board Starts Crowdfunding | Tux Machines [23:17] CrystalMath well it says: Aaron Jones [23:17] CrystalMath but i have no clue who that is :P [23:18] CrystalMath i don't remember that person from freenode [23:18] CrystalMath like, at all [23:18] MinceR they were on freenode [23:18] CrystalMath tbh the fact that i'm not seeing the names of the ones i consider horrible (fuchs, jess) is somewhat weird [23:18] XRevan86 > amdj Services developer, WireGuard mailing list moderator & channel operator, networking & crypto nerd [23:19] MinceR hm, actually i'm not sure [23:19] MinceR what i do know is that they did sign the anti-RMS letter [23:19] CrystalMath ah [23:19] CrystalMath screw him then [23:19] MinceR indeed [23:19] CrystalMath (he has a male symbol next to his name, i presume that means he/him pronouns) [23:20] MinceR could be [23:20] MinceR i don't particularly care [23:21] techrights-bot #techrepublic now posting #Forrester spam. Likely sponsored (paid-for) crap, just like in other sites. These 'analysts' are sellouts with market price: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Forrester [23:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Forrester - Techrights [23:22] *inky (~inky@141.136.77.22) has joined #techrights [23:23] techrights-bot Shallow BS from 'economists' (pseudo 'science') that speak of "productivity growth" (another baloney) and then attributes that to vague, nebulous buzzwords: "cloud computing and artificial intelligence" https://www.brookings.edu/techstream/how-to-solve-the-puzzle-of-missing-productivity-growth/ [23:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.brookings.edu | How to solve the puzzle of missing productivity growth [23:24] techrights-bot #Asus #TinkerBoard 2S Review http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151460 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #debian #gnu #linux [23:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Asus Tinker Board 2S Review | Tux Machines [23:24] CrystalMath schestowitz__: the head of staff of libera.chat is a signatory of the anti-RMS list [23:24] CrystalMath number #11, all the way high up [23:26] MinceR neil mcgovern, from oftc, is even above the organizations list [23:27] schestowitz__ isn't it alphabetic? [23:27] MinceR same as mjg59 [23:27] schestowitz__ I can do a search on the git repo [23:27] schestowitz__ I have it in /tmp [23:27] schestowitz__ and see when he was added [23:27] MinceR there's a separate list for "more important" individuals who signed it [23:27] schestowitz__ what's the username [23:27] MinceR then the organizations, and then the "less important" individuals [23:28] MinceR i didn't check for shithub usernames, but you can probably do git blame on the website [23:28] schestowitz__ MinceR: the list of "bullies for hire" [23:28] MinceR indeed [23:28] schestowitz__ "hire me" [23:29] schestowitz__ "Aaron Jones" [23:29] schestowitz__ are you sure [23:29] schestowitz__ 1) this is the same person [23:30] schestowitz__ and 2) this is the head? [23:30] schestowitz__ "head of staff " [23:31] schestowitz__ where does "head of staff" come from? [23:31] schestowitz__ if it's just one admin of many, he's not the only one [23:32] *XRevan86 hasn't seen the list of the Libera Chat staff. [23:32] MinceR all i've got from the latter are /who libera/staff/* outputs [23:32] MinceR only oftc seems to advertise the list of their people [23:33] MinceR a bit strange [23:33] MinceR i'd have thought SJWs were proud of what they did [23:33] schestowitz__ $ git log --format= -n 2 $(git log -1 --pretty=format:"%h") | cat - [23:33] schestowitz__ Revert "add signature" (#2564) [23:33] schestowitz__ Revert #1685 (#2563) [23:33] schestowitz__ Per https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io/pull/2556#issuecomment-827846792 [23:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Add FSF response by ehashman Pull Request #2556 rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io GitHub [23:35] MinceR fleeing the sinking ship? [23:35] psydroid and the spammers are spamming about irc.liberal.crap <- this is starting to look like "spammers <3 freenode" while they are trying to kill it [23:36] XRevan86 Spammers don't really care though. [23:37] techrights-bot "In this boomer vlog, I go a lengthy rant about why working at home sucks and why I've recently rented an office for creating video content. I first started looking for some office space last summer, but a series of natural disasters derailed those plans until now." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4MlERohcnU [23:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Working At Home Sucks. Moving Into An Office. - YouTube [23:37] XRevan86 they'll poke every hole, every ange. [23:37] XRevan86 angle [23:43] psydroid those spammer slaves have masters too [23:45] opal current staff already doing a shit job interfacing with users on here [23:45] opal psydroid theyre hitting all networks not just fn [23:45] opal theres nothing conspiratory about it other than causing shit on irc [23:46] opal MinceR join #libera there and then run /who [23:47] techrights-bot Improving Application Security with UndefinedBehaviorSanitizer (UBSan) and #GCC https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/improving-application-security-with-undefinedbehaviorsanitizer-ubsan-and-gcc [23:47] MinceR they're not necessarily all online at the same time [23:48] opal normally they idle [23:48] opal there was a "people" page on freenode.net, maybe same will be on libera's site [23:49] schestowitz__ opal: thanks for keeping the place going! much appreciated. [23:50] opal i feel like i have to try *something* [23:50] *TechrightsBot-tr has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [23:50] opal as much as i dislike whats going on and have concerns with how things will plan out long term [23:50] opal seeing shit like... [23:51] techrights-bot #ibm "The next round of layoffs is scheduled for the week of 5/24. So heads up. I would suspect it will be mostly GTS employees in that round to right size the spin-off to Benadryl is sorry Kyndryl!!" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aWJp96w#replies [23:51] opal Message me again when I'm not on the stats p list or expect a ban. This is your final warning. [23:51] opal that [23:51] opal like, no [23:51] opal fuck off with that [23:51] opal dont tell users here that [23:51] MinceR lol [23:51] trttl kek [23:51] MinceR well, there are other networks [23:51] opal indeed [23:52] techrights-bot "They should have set their HQ in Alabama or Arkansas that way they would have had a leg up on their expenses" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aSKWqYe#replies but #ibm managets spend big... on themselves: https://www.theregister.com/2021/03/17/ibm_exec_payouts/ [23:52] opal sorcerer et al think theyre still on rizon or whatever [23:53] techrights-bot "For sure the layoffs will not only continue but increase. The next round is coming next week , week of 5/24. The company will have no more that 200-225K employees by the end of Q1 2022." #ibm #redhat https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aXWweHP#replies [23:53] MinceR if they said shit like that to me on rizon, i wouldn't take it any better [23:53] opal why do you think i dont care for rizon lol [23:53] schestowitz__ [23:50] i feel like i have to try *something* [23:54] schestowitz__ heh, whatever you did... [23:54] schestowitz__ bot restarted [23:54] opal yeah thats a lot of people's feelings toward me lol [23:54] *TechrightsBot-tr (~TR@techrights.org) has joined #techrights [23:54] TechrightsBot-tr Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 [23:54] opal some people want me to burn it all down but i dont have it in me really [23:54] opal few years ago i would have [23:54] opal i know people who can burn it down and ill stay out of whatever their plans are [23:55] schestowitz__ burning things is easy [23:55] opal yeah [23:55] schestowitz__ you start a little flame [23:55] opal fun for a short while [23:55] schestowitz__ making things is hard [23:55] schestowitz__ and takes much effort [23:55] opal goes out after a bit [23:55] schestowitz__ don't burn things [23:55] opal i take that philosophy these days yeah [23:55] opal its for the better [23:55] schestowitz__ techrights depends a lot on IRC [23:55] schestowitz__ and we use that ex [23:55] schestowitz__ to expose wrongdoing [23:56] opal oh right you were on pleroma.site before it went down, right [23:56] *kupi (uid212005@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fcptxuktwokltrgv) has joined #techrights [23:56] schestowitz__ yeah [23:56] opal did you migrate or something [23:56] schestowitz__ I spent over a month chatting to is admin [23:56] schestowitz__ 'href [23:56] schestowitz__ opal: I gave up on fediverse [23:56] opal ah yeah [23:56] opal href's chill [23:56] schestowitz__ 3 accounts lost is enough fediverse for me [23:56] opal i see [23:56] opal haha fair [23:56] schestowitz__ 3 strikes and all [23:57] opal yeah instances come and go still [23:57] schestowitz__ I won't run my own [23:57] opal gonna be like that for a while [23:57] schestowitz__ though kaniini developed something for me [23:57] opal im planning to set up a "real" instance [23:57] schestowitz__ and then gave up on the project [23:57] opal crowdfunded one [23:57] opal it'll go along with the rest of the services on https://volatile.bz/ [23:57] schestowitz__ social control media is a waste of time [23:57] schestowitz__ too volatile and noisy [23:57] schestowitz__ bad UI