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● Jun 21
[00:00]	TR News	"the number of Gemini capsules has more than doubled, so too has the number of unique domains hosting Gemini content, and the number of unique IP addresses didnt quite double but got close." http://techrights.org/2022/06/20/3-years-of-gemini/
[00:00]	TR News	As shown above, EPO staff is eager to make it loud and clear that the status quo at the EPO isnt acceptable and the president is unfit to run the Office http://techrights.org/2022/06/20/epo-opinion-poll-campinos-survey/
[00:00]	TR News	EPO President Antnio Campinos violates the Code of Conduct of the Office he claims to be leading; hes in no position to call for civility http://techrights.org/2022/06/20/epo-campinos-foul-mouthed/
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[00:09]	TR News	"It's wild how, unlike cars and planes, trains kill basically 0 people per year. I can't even find statistics about it, but it seems to be below 1,000 per year vs. over a million from automobiles" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
[00:11]	TR News	"A similar thrift store a few blocks down recently stopped selling VHS tapes, and I spent hours looking around for them. The place had records, it had tons of books, it even had compact cassettes. But no VHS tapes" gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1024
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[00:13]	TR News	How Much Incel Terrorism Can We Prevent With Kindness? https://danielmiessler.com/blog/how-much-incel-terrorism-can-we-prevent-with-kindness/
[00:13]	TR Bot	 How Much Incel Terrorism Can We Prevent With Kindness? - Daniel Miessler
[00:13]	MinceR	https://files.catbox.moe/gn4nnr.jpg
[00:13]	TR Bot	connect to files.catbox.moe:443; Network is unreachable ( status 0 @ https://files.catbox.moe/gn4nnr.jpg )
[00:14]	TR News	Update: base64dump.py Version 0.0.22 https://blog.didierstevens.com/2022/06/17/update-base64dump-py-version-0-0-22/
[00:14]	TR Bot	 Update: base64dump.py Version 0.0.22 | Didier Stevens
[00:14]	TR News	ACM pushing "HEY HI" hype and bullshit https://cacm.acm.org/opinion/articles/261864-how-smarter-ai-will-change-creativity/fulltext
[00:14]	TR Bot	 How Smarter AI Will Change Creativity | Opinion | Communications of the ACM
[00:15]	TR News	There is no labour shortage but a shortage of shareholders and managers with empathy towards other human beings https://cacm.acm.org/news/261162-addressing-labor-shortages-with-automation/fulltext
[00:15]	TR Bot	 Addressing Labor Shortages with Automation | News | Communications of the ACM
[00:17]	TR News	"Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 740 for the week of June 12 18, 2022." https://ubuntu-news.org/2022/06/20/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-740/
[00:17]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 740
[00:22]	TR News	"I've enjoyed seeing the rise and fall of mobile games - and the effects it's had on the wider gaming landscape. As the mobile market has slowly shifted towards gacha and idle mechanics, a lot of the enjoyable precepts of "lunch break gaming" have become heavily integrated into the indie landscape." gemini://pluviam95.smol.pub/entry4
[00:23]	TR News	"But what could be interesting about such a computer today? What was new and innovative back then is mostly outdated today: The Atari had no real multitasking, it could load up to 6 additional so-called desk accessories, but could only run one main program at a time." gemini://datapulp.smol.pub/atari-st-what-a-computer
[00:24]	TR News	"Something also had to happen to the keyboard. The keys were extremely yellowed. So I took off all the keycaps and exposed them to the sun in a solution of half water, half bleach for a day as well. They became much less yellow, but unfortunately I couldn't get rid of the yellowing completely." gemini://datapulp.smol.pub/atari-260st-retrobrighting
[00:25]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D267.jpg
[00:28]	TR News	"The legislation includes wrecking terminology which specifically tears up almost all aspects of the Irish Protocol. It reverses three years of negotiations concluded by the EU and British Prime Minister Boris Johnson in January 2020." https://anfenglishmobile.com/news/uk-pm-boris-johnson-rips-up-brexit-protocol-60570
[00:28]	TR Bot	 ANF | UK PM Boris Johnson rips up Brexit Protocol
[00:29]	TR News	NO: "the agreements concerning e-commerce, fisheries subsidies, and COVID-19 vaccines deserve to be celebrated." They've just killed millions of people to protect the patent monopolies. WTO needs to be abolished for humanity's sake https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/content-series/tradeworld/the-wto-ministerial-agreement-problematic-progress/
[00:29]	TR Bot	 The WTO Ministerial Agreement Problematic Progress - Atlantic Council
[00:30]	TR News	"In 1994, Hutu extremists slaughtered 800,000 Tutsi using nail-spiked clubs, machetes and other weapons. A UN unit led by Chief Prosecutor Serge Brammertz is still trying to track down those responsible, but it is a race against time." https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/searching-for-the-final-suspects-of-the-rwandan-genocide-a-c8438dd7-a59c-43a8-85d8-74348f38e400#ref=rss
[00:30]	TR Bot	 Searching for the Final Suspects of the Rwandan Genocide - DER SPIEGEL
[00:31]	TR News	Clockwork's DevTerm Teases Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 Compatibility | Tom's Hardware https://www.tomshardware.com/news/devterm-raspberry-pi-compute-module-4-adapter Source: tomshardware
[00:31]	TR Bot	 Clockwork's DevTerm Teases Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 Compatibility | Tom's Hardware
[00:31]	TR News	Raspberry Pi TV Simulator Tunes in to Retro Channels | Tom's Hardware https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-tv-simulator Source: tomshardware
[00:32]	TR Bot	 Raspberry Pi TV Simulator Tunes in to Retro Channels | Tom's Hardware
[00:32]	TR News	Beaglebone Black still going strong http://box.matto.nl/beaglebone-black-still-going-strong.html
[00:32]	TR Bot	Black still going strong - box.matto.nl
[00:33]	AdmFubar	oh what could go wrong!   https://www.theregister.com/2022/06/20/redbean_2_a_singlefile_web/
[00:33]	TR Bot	 Unbelievable: A single-file web server that runs on six OSes The Register
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[00:39]	TR News	Debian and Ubuntu Miscellany Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166271
[00:39]	TR Bot	 Debian and Ubuntu Miscellany | Tux Machines
[00:40]	TR News	Videos: Manjaro Linux 21.3.0 and "Boycott Wayland. It breaks everything!" Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166270
[00:40]	TR Bot	 Videos: Manjaro Linux 21.3.0 and "Boycott Wayland. It breaks everything!" | Tux Machines
[00:40]	TR News	Open Hardware/Modding: Beaglebone, Raspberry Pi, and Arduino Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166269
[00:40]	TR Bot	 Open Hardware/Modding: Beaglebone, Raspberry Pi, and Arduino | Tux Machines
[00:44]	TR News	ChromeOS can now open more archive files including 7z, iso, and tar https://9to5google.com/2022/06/20/chromeos-archives-7z-iso-tar/
[00:44]	TR Bot	can open more archives including 7z, iso, & tar - 9to5Google
[00:49]	MinceR	(cat) https://imgur.com/t/cats/xFqwBYy
[00:49]	TR Bot	a little happy post of our kitties - Album on Imgur
[00:54]	TR News	Highest Number of COVID-19 Hospitalisations in Almost 2 Months, So Borisnaro is Rapidly Abolishing the Transparency https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/20/abolishing-covid-transparency/
[00:54]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Highest Number of COVID-19 Hospitalisations in Almost 2 Months, So Borisnaro is Rapidly Abolishing the Transparency
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[00:59]	TR News	Finally. The longest day.
● Jun 21
[01:06]	TR News	Programming and HowTos Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166272
[01:06]	TR Bot	 Programming and HowTos | Tux Machines
[01:06]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166273
[01:06]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[01:08]	TR News	Links 21/06/2022: KDE e.V. Votes and Geminis Birthday | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/20/kde-e-v-votes/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/20/kde-e-v-votes/
[01:08]	TR Bot	 Links 21/06/2022: KDE e.V. Votes and Geminis Birthday | Techrights
[01:24]	DaemonFC	Golden Corral seems to have recovered from COVID.
[01:24]	DaemonFC	For a while there, business was kind of blah.
[01:25]	DaemonFC	Today, the place was packed, the food was a lot better than it was during the COVID panic.
[01:25]	DaemonFC	I like how everyone was panicking about COVID and now nobody even pays any attention to it.
[01:25]	DaemonFC	That's how "Bigger Problems" work.
[01:26]	DaemonFC	Biden got in and fucked everything else up and now COVID's not #1 anymore because there's like 11 things that are worse than that thanks to Biden.
[01:26]	DaemonFC	He did fulfill a campaign promise. He got us past fear of COVID. Now he's got people afraid of losing their jobs, savings, and home.
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[01:32]	schestowitz_TR	it's not a biden thing
[01:34]	DaemonFC	The rich people who don't need government incentives to buy an EV are the only people who can afford one. Maybe if Pete "If you can't afford a gallon of gas for your clunker, just get an EV." Buttf*** and JB Prickster, who keeps taking more from us to give to rich people who buy EVs would get out of the way and give us some tax relief on an ongoing basis, we could get through this.
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[01:35]	DaemonFC	They're talking about a federal gas tax holiday right before the election they're about to lose big time.
[01:36]	DaemonFC	On top of Cost of Living Hell which the mjg59_s of the world gave us, we're sick and fucking tired of people's "preferred pronouns" and worrying about if we're being unfair to felons.
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[01:37]	schestowitz_TR	this isn't about tech
[01:37]	DaemonFC	But I think Fox News really had to scrape the bottom of the bucket the other day to put someone on a pedestal when they did that story about Kraken.
[01:37]	schestowitz_TR	back on topic.
[01:37]	DaemonFC	Unfortunately, the rest of the companies have gone woke and maybe there aren't any examples of CEOs that just want things to be normal in the workplace.
[01:38]	TR News	"This weeks episode of Destination Linux, were going to be talking about IDE monopolization is it going to be an issue in the future?" VS Code = proprietary spyware controlled by an anti-Linux company. Boycott it. https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/destination-linux/dl-283/
[01:38]	TR Bot	The State of IDEs: VSCode or BS-Code? - Destination Linux - TuxDigital
[01:38]	DaemonFC	I'm so glad I don't have to deal with those idiots Mandy works with. They just fired 4 more of them the other day for having group sex in the family bathroom.
[01:38]	DaemonFC	Four adults and none of them thought to lock the door.
[01:39]	DaemonFC	Then there's another one who is on workman's comp while posting pictures of herself having a ball on vacation.
[01:39]	DaemonFC	On top of all of the ones who are just lazy as sin and stealing from the company.
[01:40]	DaemonFC	Of course they all want $20 an hour. It's like that everywhere now.
[01:40]	DaemonFC	These are the people who want $20 and a union.
[01:40]	TR News	Amnesty International & Debian Day suicides comparison http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166091#comment-34076
[01:40]	TR Bot	 PsyOps 007: Paul Tagliamonte wanted Debian Press Team to have license to kill | Tux Machines
[01:41]	DaemonFC	I wonder if Richard Stallman has a position on that.
[01:41]	DaemonFC	Maybe they'd have more job security if they didn't call off all the time because they were hungover, steal, have group sex in the bathroom, and worked.
[01:42]	DaemonFC	It's all of the fuckoffs that are the reason nobody gets a good deal on their labor.
[01:43]	DaemonFC	Walmart is like any other company. They have to tolerate so much of this to avoid EEOC investigations that everyone has to suffer, and it becomes a welfare program for the worst.
[01:45]	mjg59_	schestowitz_TR: what the actual fuck
[01:45]	mjg59_	schestowitz_TR: Why are you linking to something that contains actual lies about someone's death?
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[01:51]	mjg59_	schestowitz_TR: Frans died in 2010. The mail Daniel is referring to was sent in 2007.
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[01:52]	mjg59_	schestowitz_TR: Daniel Pocock simply lies about things. He is not credible. And yet you continue linking to his poisonous claims.
[01:55]	TR News	Gemini Turning Three and Why Itll Probably Reach and Exceed Ten (Decade) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/20/gemini-maturing/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/20/gemini-maturing/
[01:55]	TR Bot	 Gemini Turning Three and Why Itll Probably Reach and Exceed Ten (Decade) | Techrights
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[01:59]	schestowitz_TR	https://www.mancity.com/citytv/mens/raheem-sterling-best-of-2122-63791339
[01:59]	TR Bot	 Raheem Sterling: 2021/22 season highlights
[01:59]	schestowitz_TR	DRM :/
● Jun 21
[02:00]	schestowitz_TR	Firefox pushing DRM, too
[02:06]	TR News	No new "Linux" story in 6 days already. You know ZDNet is perishing... http://techrights.org/wiki/ZDNet#2022
[02:06]	TR Bot	 ZDNet - Techrights
[02:08]	TR News	People "collecting" fake 'friends' in social control media to compensate for a lack of real, trusted, real-life/IRL friends is understandable. Kids do the same thing with imaginary friends. Social control media is infantile.
[02:21]	AdmFubar	https://www.thedailybeast.com/elon-musks-daughter-files-to-ditch-his-last-name
[02:21]	TR Bot	 Elon Musks Daughter Files to Ditch His Last Name
[02:21]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D619.jpg
[02:22]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D268.jpg
[02:22]	schestowitz_TR	whose name?
[02:22]	schestowitz_TR	his? hers?
[02:23]	schestowitz_TR	this headline is poorly written
[02:25]	MinceR	Elon Musk's Daughter Files to Rename "Elon Musk" to "Elon"
[02:25]	schestowitz_TR	Mask
[02:27]	MinceR	"Somebody stop me!"
[02:27]	schestowitz_TR	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=HgzGwKwLmgM
[02:27]	TR Bot	 Queen - Don't Stop Me Now (Official Video) - Invidious
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[02:33]	TR News	Dont be Grumpy About Alternatives to the World Wide Web | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/20/world-wide-web-is-bloat/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/20/world-wide-web-is-bloat/
[02:33]	TR Bot	 Dont be Grumpy About Alternatives to the World Wide Web | Techrights
[02:34]	schestowitz_TR	>> "He is not credible. And yet you continue linking to his poisonous claims."
[02:34]	schestowitz_TR	a. I did not know we have our own URL kkkop in IRC
[02:34]	schestowitz_TR	b. the Internet tested accusations and found that on ALL grounds the right of speech was there
[02:35]	schestowitz_TR	c. it's not unreasona\ble to allow dissenting views
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[02:36]	TR News	Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-200622.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-200622.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-200622.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-200622.txt
[02:36]	TR Bot	 IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, June 20, 2022
[02:36]	TR News	"Social" "justice' "warriors": we're all about rights, except the right of free expression
[02:37]	TR News	Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-200622.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-200622.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-200622.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-200622.txt
[02:37]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, June 20, 2022
[02:38]	TR News	Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-200622.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-200622.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-200622.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-200622.txt
[02:38]	TR Bot	 IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, June 20, 2022
[02:38]	mjg59_	schestowitz_TR: Uh when was the last time you linked to Swapnil without including a snide comment
[02:39]	schestowitz_TR	I LINK to him 
[02:39]	schestowitz_TR	that's refuting the pooint
[02:39]	schestowitz_TR	I did not say censor links to him
[02:39]	mjg59_	Yeah but you link while passing judgement
[02:39]	TR News	Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-200622.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-200622.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-200622.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-200622.txt
[02:39]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, June 20, 2022
[02:39]	schestowitz_TR	freedom of expression = criticism
[02:39]	schestowitz_TR	maybe one day you will understand how freedom of speech works
[02:39]	mjg59_	While Pocock continues to lie about free software contributors, but you link to him without any criticism
[02:40]	schestowitz_TR	you are not making a point
[02:40]	schestowitz_TR	spamnil is worse
[02:40]	schestowitz_TR	spamnil lies for money
[02:40]	schestowitz_TR	that's vastly worse than misguided opinions
[02:40]	mjg59_	Worse than someone who falsely claims that free software contributors drove someone to suicide?
[02:40]	schestowitz_TR	he also helped crimes
[02:40]	schestowitz_TR	like vmware cover up abues
[02:41]	TR News	Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-06-20.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-06-20.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
[02:41]	schestowitz_TR	mjg59_: there are many suicide storiues there, inc. Murdock
[02:41]	mjg59_	Worse than someone who falsely claims that free software contributors are involved in human traficking?
[02:41]	schestowitz_TR	who was driven to it by SFPF
[02:41]	schestowitz_TR	*PD
[02:41]	schestowitz_TR	they pushed him over the edge
[02:41]	schestowitz_TR	maybe you should moan about that police dept.
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[02:41]	mjg59_	Oh, I do
[02:42]	schestowitz_TR	not fight against people with a history of fighting for indiginous people
[02:42]	schestowitz_TR	like Aboriginals 
[02:42]	mjg59_	Do you believe Pocock's claims?
[02:42]	schestowitz_TR	not always
[02:42]	schestowitz_TR	but he should have his platform
[02:42]	mjg59_	So why do you link to them without comment?
[02:42]	schestowitz_TR	that's free speech
[02:42]	schestowitz_TR	stop policing who is allowed to have links
[02:42]	mjg59_	How often do you link to me without criticism?
[02:42]	schestowitz_TR	and who can and cannot eb criticised
[02:42]	mjg59_	Should I not have my platform?
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[02:43]	schestowitz_TR	you do
[02:43]	schestowitz_TR	and you use ours, too
[02:43]	schestowitz_TR	I don't always link to you witrh criticism
[02:43]	mjg59_	Will you publish my writings on techrights.org, like you published Daniel's?
[02:43]	schestowitz_TR	in the past few years maybe 50%
[02:43]	schestowitz_TR	mjg59_: if t is relevant, maybe
[02:43]	mjg59_	Ok cool
[02:43]	schestowitz_TR	we focus on stuff like software patents
[02:43]	schestowitz_TR	not fake security
[02:44]	mjg59_	Uh when did Daniel ever write about software patents?
[02:44]	schestowitz_TR	he writes a lot about WIPO
[02:44]	schestowitz_TR	WIPO is a thug
[02:44]	schestowitz_TR	corrupt, bloodthirsty
[02:44]	mjg59_	How many of his articles that you republished mentioned WIPO?
[02:45]	schestowitz_TR	those are recent
[02:45]	schestowitz_TR	anyway, it is an ongoing case
[02:45]	schestowitz_TR	WIPO is trying to repair its image
[02:45]	mjg59_	Ok but you republished lots of things he wrote that said nothing about WIPO
[02:46]	mjg59_	So it's not just that you concentrate on software patents
[02:46]	schestowitz_TR	you hardly even write
[02:46]	schestowitz_TR	been like a month
[02:46]	schestowitz_TR	must be very busy at work... and IRC
[02:46]	mjg59_	Yeah I was on holiday
[02:46]	mjg59_	My dad's 70th
[02:48]	TR News	Linux Foundation as a front for fiscal predators https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-finops-foundation-announces-fidelity-investments-as-a-premier-member-301571166.html
[02:48]	TR Bot	 The FinOps Foundation Announces Fidelity Investments as a Premier Member
[02:49]	TR News	ICBM is a proprietary software pusher. This means Red Hat too will increasingly abandon any spirit of "openness" (look what happened to CentOS and Fedora already) https://www.gurufocus.com/news/1770480/ibm-transforms-business-operations-with-the-rise-with-sap-solution-in-expanded-partnership-with-sap
[02:50]	TR Bot	Transforms Business Operat - GuruFocus.com
[02:51]	TR News	"If it surges during summertime (worse summer than 2020 and 2021), imagine what will happen in winter" https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/20/abolishing-covid-transparency/
[02:51]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Highest Number of COVID-19 Hospitalisations in Almost 2 Months, So Borisnaro is Rapidly Abolishing the Transparency
[02:52]	TR News	With the World Wide Web going in the wrong direction we need an alternative that focuses on actual pages; Gemini is, at the moment, probably the most viable alternative to the World Wide Web http://techrights.org/2022/06/20/gemini-maturing/
[02:52]	TR Bot	 Gemini Turning Three and Why Itll Probably Reach and Exceed Ten (Decade) | Techrights
[02:52]	TR News	The World Wide Web was preceded by several similar hypertext systems, some of which technically superior to it; now that the worlds Bloated Web (formerly World Wide Web) gravitates towards proprietary browsers and is basically becoming like Adobes Flash it makes more sense to embrace Gemini for textual material thats safe to access http://techrights.org/2022/06/20/world-wide-web-is-bloat/
[02:52]	TR Bot	 Dont be Grumpy About Alternatives to the World Wide Web | Techrights
[02:54]	TR News	COVID-19 isn't finished. Government's empathy for human beings and care for human life is finished. Technically and legally it has been finished for decades, but now it seems worse than ever. Look at the lack of effort to STOP the Ukraine war.
[02:55]	TR News	NATO wants to END the Ukraine war like Pfizer wants to put a permanent stop to COVID-19.
[02:56]	TR News	Patents related to COVID-19 have already killed millions. With the WTO deal it's clear they want to kill millions more. Then they shed crocodile tears about loss of lives. What bothers them most is the MERE PROSPECT of loss of PATENTS (monopolies).
[02:57]	TR News	The best way to object to or protest the current heist (piggybacking pandemic and war, among other things) is to limit buying to a bare minimum. Let circulation of money sink to all-time lows...
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[02:59]	TR News	Media is still (even this week) using the queen's son, who isn't even the heir, to distract from far worse culprits, who literally worked to enable and to liberate Jeffrey Epstein https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html
[02:59]	TR Bot	 Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His Past - The New York Times
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[03:01]	TR News	The media is digging its own graves by covering up for high-profile criminals and bagging their money. This is one way the 'powerful' people kill journalism, which they never liked anyway...
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[03:02]	TR News	Journalism isn't dying. It is being assassinated.
[03:03]	TR News	"container security" = adding more complexity, praying this will somehow enhance security rather than add to the attack surface https://www.suse.com/c/visibility-and-consistency-are-essential-for-container-security/
[03:03]	TR Bot	and consistency are essential for container security | SUSE Communities
[03:05]	mjg59_	Containers literally reduce attack surface?
[03:05]	TR News	Twitter will languish away while "pedo guy" Musk (who does NOT value free speech!) does to it what Icagn and Microsoft did to Yahoo! Twitter is already dead, but just informally...
[03:05]	schestowitz_TR	you can escape containers
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[03:06]	mjg59_	And if you deploy without using containers, you don't need to bother escaping
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[03:09]	schestowitz_TR	what are your credentials in security?
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[03:09]	IPFS	 New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.
[03:10]	schestowitz_TR	you're like Tony Campinos talking about patents
[03:10]	TR News	GNU/Linux at ~5% share https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide/#monthly-200901-202206
[03:10]	TR Bot	 Desktop Operating System Market Share Worldwide | Statcounter Global Stats
[03:11]	mjg59_	schestowitz_TR: I teach security at Berkeley?
[03:11]	mjg59_	I dunno, what credentials do you want
[03:11]	schestowitz_TR	 Tony Campino = a bunch of corrupt crooks made me EPO president, hence I'm patent expert
[03:11]	schestowitz_TR	mjg59_:  did you study CS?
[03:11]	mjg59_	No
[03:11]	schestowitz_TR	did you study network security?
[03:11]	mjg59_	Did you study IP law?
[03:11]	schestowitz_TR	what are the creds?
[03:12]	schestowitz_TR	we're talking about you now
[03:12]	schestowitz_TR	not me
[03:12]	schestowitz_TR	there's no "IP law"
[03:12]	mjg59_	Right just wondering what creds you have to judge theEPO
[03:12]	schestowitz_TR	you answered my question
[03:12]	schestowitz_TR	with a non-answer
[03:12]	schestowitz_TR	you are a posert
[03:12]	schestowitz_TR	*poser
[03:12]	schestowitz_TR	like Bully de Blanc
[03:13]	schestowitz_TR	using one job as crtedential for the next
[03:13]	mjg59_	I've worked in security for a decade, I'm trusted by other people in the field
[03:13]	schestowitz_TR	without underlying seminal knowledge
[03:13]	schestowitz_TR	or anything of relevant
[03:13]	schestowitz_TR	use
[03:13]	schestowitz_TR	same as EPO management
[03:13]	schestowitz_TR	many people who do not even know what patents ar
[03:13]	schestowitz_TR	eimprovising
[03:13]	mjg59_	Do you think the only way to learn things is to go to university?
[03:13]	schestowitz_TR	or Linux [sic] Foundation
[03:13]	mjg59_	Do you think free software requires a CS degree?
[03:13]	schestowitz_TR	where almost no manager understands Linux, let alone uses it
[03:13]	schestowitz_TR	bbl
[03:13]	mjg59_	Coward
[03:16]	schestowitz_TR	don't be too offended
[03:16]	schestowitz_TR	you are part of a SYSTEMIC problem
[03:16]	schestowitz_TR	you are part of a SYSTEMIC problem
[03:16]	schestowitz_TR	it's not just you
[03:16]	mjg59_	One where I'm working in a field that I don't have a degree in?
[03:16]	mjg59_	How much code do you have in Linux, Roy?
[03:16]	schestowitz_TR	I am not a KERNEL hacker
[03:17]	mjg59_	Ok! But I am a kernel hacker.
[03:17]	schestowitz_TR	I'm a programmer/sysadmin
[03:17]	schestowitz_TR	m1k3: no
[03:17]	schestowitz_TR	you WERE
[03:17]	mjg59_	Oh, I still write kernel code
[03:17]	m1k3	Huh?
[03:17]	mjg59_	But what were my credentials for that?
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[03:17]	schestowitz_TR	m1k3: wrong autocomplete, sorry
[03:18]	mjg59_	My last computing qualification was an RSA stage I in Computer Literacy and Information Technology
[03:18]	mjg59_	I got a distinction!
[03:18]	schestowitz_TR	ACPI is not security
[03:18]	mjg59_	It says I can use a word processor, a spreadsheet and a database
[03:18]	matey	 My last computing qualification was an RSA stage I in Computer Literacy <- this has to be about teaching
[03:18]	schestowitz_TR	"secure" boot is not security
[03:18]	mjg59_	Well sure but what were my credentials for ACPI
[03:18]	matey	even i would assume mjg doesnt need "computer literacy"
[03:18]	matey	that would be silly
[03:19]	mjg59_	Roy's complaining that having a PhD in genetics means I'm not qualified to work in security
[03:19]	mjg59_	But seems ok with me having worked full-time on kernel development before that
[03:19]	matey	 Roy's complaining that having a PhD in genetics means I'm not qualified to work in security <- hehehe
[03:19]	matey	mark my words, sometimes hes sillier than you
[03:19]	mjg59_	Which I'm equally unqualified on, by this argument
[03:19]	matey	you teach computer literacy now?
[03:20]	mjg59_	Nah, I teach security
[03:20]	mjg59_	Got an award for it!
[03:20]	m1k3	mjg59_, I haven't been around here long and don't understand the dynamics here...but I'm curious why you hang around here when you don't feel respected? Are you expecting something? 
[03:20]	matey	wouldnt be your first
[03:20]	matey	I'm curious why you hang around here when you don't feel respected? <- oh hell, even i can understand that
[03:20]	matey	its a "long story"
[03:20]	mjg59_	m1k3: Because I care about free software and there's a bunch of people here who care about free software but who I disagree with, and I want to understand that disagreement
[03:21]	schestowitz_TR	no
[03:21]	mjg59_	No point in only spending time in places where everyone agrees with me
[03:21]	schestowitz_TR	you want to censor people you do not agree with
[03:21]	schestowitz_TR	that's how you deal with conflicting views
[03:22]	schestowitz_TR	(it's also how team systemd deals with it)
[03:23]	matey	this is an oversimplification
[03:23]	matey	its true to a degree
[03:24]	m1k3	mjg59_, No offense, but if you ever want to understand disagreements, that will never happen if you become defensive or result to insults. 
[03:25]	matey	systemd uses every trick in the book-- some more than others
[03:25]	matey	i mean 
[03:25]	matey	ibm,
[03:25]	matey	ibm...
[03:25]	matey	red hat..
[03:25]	matey	red hat...
[03:25]	TR News	Laptops/desktops on Turkey? GNU/Linux measured at 10% this past spring https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/turkey/#monthly-200901-202206 and if you count mobile too, Windows is at 10%
[03:25]	TR Bot	 Desktop Operating System Market Share Turkey | Statcounter Global Stats
[03:25]	m1k3	resort*
[03:25]	matey	censorship is only one tool in the devils toolchest
[03:26]	m1k3	What?
[03:26]	fuzzy	GNU GCC... as far as the "disagreement" was concerned
[03:26]	schestowitz_TR	there are different censorshiop methods
[03:26]	schestowitz_TR	inc. self-censorship inducements
[03:26]	matey	oh you can say that again
[03:26]	schestowitz_TR	threats
[03:26]	fuzzy	what is this... GNU... a dump yard for corporate interests?
[03:26]	schestowitz_TR	mobbing
[03:26]	schestowitz_TR	deplatforming
[03:26]	matey	what is this... GNU... a dump yard for corporate intere <- i mean if you fail to defend it, then yes
[03:26]	matey	and they failed to defend it... so yes
[03:26]	schestowitz_TR	btw, johns isn't too keen on free speech
[03:26]	schestowitz_TR	he's not formally in fsf now
[03:27]	matey	mobbing <- deplatforming <- lets not forget bullshitting
[03:27]	fuzzy	no offense towards mjg59_, neither personal nor based on technical merits
[03:27]	fuzzy	nonetheless, i consider GCC damaged beyond repair
[03:27]	matey	he's not formally in fsf now <- well to be fai
[03:27]	matey	fair
[03:27]	matey	there is no fsf
[03:27]	matey	 <fuzzy> nonetheless, i consider GCC damaged beyond repair <- maybe
[03:27]	matey	its bleak
[03:27]	matey	but its also relative
[03:27]	schestowitz_TR	fsf is there
[03:27]	schestowitz_TR	but it does not fight hard
[03:28]	matey	s/hard/at all/
[03:28]	schestowitz_TR	too worried about how some circles might react
[03:28]	matey	oh fuck it
[03:28]	matey	s/hard//
[03:28]	schestowitz_TR	now unable to be a revotionary force
[03:28]	schestowitz_TR	which is what the coup plotters wanted
[03:28]	matey	s/revolutionary//
[03:28]	schestowitz_TR	so they can carry on writing proprietary crap with back doors
[03:28]	schestowitz_TR	and fsf will star hush
[03:28]	matey	its a non-force, non-revolutionary, non-organisation
[03:28]	matey	to wit: (this is tongue in cheek)
[03:29]	matey	http://www.nongnu.org/
[03:29]	TR Bot	 Welcome [Savannah]
[03:29]	schestowitz_TR	stay
[03:29]	schestowitz_TR	http://fsf.org/blog
[03:29]	TR Bot	( status 404 @ https://www.fsf.org/blog )
[03:29]	matey	THIS IS an EX-PARROT!
[03:29]	matey	http://fsf.org/blog <- oh, good! free water bottles!
[03:30]	matey	only $100
[03:30]	matey	but free as in free-dumb
[03:30]	schestowitz_TR	"by Zo Kooyman Published on Oct 26, 2020 08:21 PM"
[03:30]	matey	now with extra dumb at no extra charge
[03:30]	schestowitz_TR	2 years ago https://www.fsf.org/resources/videos
[03:30]	TR Bot	 Videos Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
[03:30]	matey	Oct 26, 2020 <- haha
[03:30]	matey	/me throws eggs at cambridge
[03:31]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=wWqU1ynYSrM
[03:31]	TR Bot	 The Princess Bride! Queen of Garbage! - Invidious
[03:33]	matey	<schestowitz_TR> now unable to be a revotionary force <schestowitz_TR> which is what the coup plotters wanted <- its what they got
[03:33]	matey	we can twist reality into a pretty picture
[03:33]	matey	and bullshit people into thinking the coup was unsuccessful
[03:33]	matey	obviously roy never say THEY LIVE
[03:33]	matey	saw
[03:34]	schestowitz_TR	they already did this in 2007 ish
[03:34]	matey	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Live
[03:34]	TR Bot	 They Live - Wikipedia
[03:34]	schestowitz_TR	after "bad vista"
[03:34]	schestowitz_TR	after that the FSF did "7 sins"
[03:34]	schestowitz_TR	and then pretty much nothing about Windows
[03:34]	matey	youre downplaying again
[03:34]	schestowitz_TR	because some members said it was "negative"
[03:34]	schestowitz_TR	here's one reason to dislike cops
[03:35]	schestowitz_TR	they do "negative" things
[03:35]	schestowitz_TR	they disrupt crimes
[03:35]	schestowitz_TR	they arrest people
[03:35]	schestowitz_TR	so negative
[03:35]	schestowitz_TR	Microsoft does crimes
[03:35]	schestowitz_TR	but speaking about it in a Web page is "negative"
[03:35]	schestowitz_TR	we should just stay out of the way
[03:35]	schestowitz_TR	and let Acosta et al deal with the crimes
[03:35]	matey	its like a ball pit, but with straws instead of balls
[03:35]	schestowitz_TR	it's not like Microsoft can pull strings with authorities
[03:36]	schestowitz_TR	trust the system ;-)
[03:36]	matey	full of countless colourful straws
[03:36]	matey	yes youre very avant garde
[03:36]	mjg59_	m1k3: Oh, it's not Roy that I'm trying to understand
[03:36]	matey	someday when they can fully appreciate it theyll say you were ahead of your time
[03:36]	schestowitz_TR	2009 http://techrights.org/2009/09/26/richard-stallman-smeared-for-truth/
[03:36]	TR Bot	 Richard Stallman is Not the Bad Guy | Techrights
[03:36]	m1k3	Techrights "after dark" is pretty intense
[03:36]	schestowitz_TR	http://techrights.org/2009/09/21/rms-on-miguel-de-icaza/
[03:37]	TR Bot	 Miguel de Icaza is Basically a Traitor to the Free Software Community, Says Richard Stallman | Techrights
[03:37]	schestowitz_TR	he and I both get "flak" for merely stating a fact
[03:37]	matey	practice runs
[03:37]	schestowitz_TR	which was proven more true later
[03:37]	schestowitz_TR	he joined codeplex
[03:37]	mjg59_	m1k3: It's the other people here who are genuinely invested in free software
[03:37]	schestowitz_TR	and later Microsoft
[03:37]	schestowitz_TR	he literally worked for criminals
[03:37]	matey	m1k3: It's the other people here who are genuinely invested in free software <- :)
[03:37]	schestowitz_TR	for personal gain (money)
[03:37]	matey	you know the funny thing is
[03:37]	matey	stating something thats factual has nothing to do with who you are
[03:38]	matey	its purely about whats being said
[03:38]	matey	context is everything of course
[03:38]	matey	but sometimes things seem so obvious
[03:38]	mjg59_	matey: I do learn some useful things from stuff Roy says, I just don't feel that he's someone I need to understand
[03:38]	matey	and yet, some things are simply factual
[03:38]	schestowitz_TR	https://www.osnews.com/story/22225/rms-de-icaza-traitor-to-free-software-community/
[03:38]	matey	I just don't feel that he's someone I need to understand <- even if you needed to
[03:38]	TR Bot	De Icaza Traitor to Free Software Community OSnews
[03:38]	schestowitz_TR	see comments
[03:38]	matey	its really not rocket science
[03:39]	matey	roy and i have agreed on a number of things
[03:39]	mjg59_	matey: I'm way more curious about people like you, and I've learned a lot from being here as a result
[03:39]	matey	but for me, facts are data
[03:39]	matey	and for some people, facts are... 
[03:39]	matey	well, props
[03:39]	matey	for setting a stage
[03:39]	matey	for god knows what
[03:39]	mjg59_	Like, it's super obvious that there's no way to build a broad consortium of free software people with corporate backing
[03:40]	matey	matey: I'm way more curious about people like you <- the funny thing is
[03:40]	matey	i say what i mean
[03:40]	mjg59_	Which isn't really a surprise! But it's good to know
[03:40]	matey	i mean
[03:40]	mjg59_	So we need to ensure that any future organisations aren't beholden to corporate sponsorship
[03:40]	matey	we need to ensure that any future organisations aren't beholden to corporate sponsorship <- that of course is true
[03:40]	matey	but im only willing to do certain things to those ends
[03:41]	matey	in other words, that matters but its obviously not the only thing that matters
[03:41]	matey	there are some things im not willing to throw out
[03:41]	matey	but if i thought it was needed to throw out those things to see a future without corporate control...
[03:41]	matey	i clearly do not
[03:42]	matey	at any rate, at least youre coherent
[03:42]	matey	i mean
[03:42]	matey	its not just an endless slapping together of... whatever
[03:42]	mjg59_	I try to be consistent
[03:42]	matey	theres a path your arguments follow, at least
[03:42]	mjg59_	I don't always live up to my standards, but
[03:42]	matey	consistency isnt the greatest virtue there is
[03:42]	matey	but coherence is a plus
[03:42]	mjg59_	Like I said, I benefit from getting better understanding of the root causes of our disagreement
[03:43]	TR News	"As the title of the book suggests, it questions just how much good the wealthy and large corporations actually intend to do with their rather public acts of philanthropy" gemini://pennywhether.xyz/articles/altruist-capture.gmi
[03:43]	matey	and theyre at least related
[03:43]	mjg59_	Even if that doesn't make me agree, it helps me understand
[03:43]	TR News	"It gives several examples through interviews with people who were in university in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis, and who sipped the kool aid. They wound up working for big name investment firms under the impression that they would in fact make a huge, positive impact on the world" gemini://pennywhether.xyz/articles/altruist-capture.gmi
[03:43]	matey	i mean the weakness of consistency is that sometimes things prove to be wrong
[03:44]	matey	i certainly dont have to explain that to you
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[03:44]	matey	but its what i mean
[03:44]	matey	coherence isnt worried about that
[03:44]	TR News	"Theyre the sort that try to squeeze every last drop of productivity from their day to put toward the job, and thats on top of working crazy hours. Worse, it seems that there are a lot more of these people than the ones that leave" gemini://pennywhether.xyz/articles/altruist-capture.gmi
[03:44]	matey	it moves past mistakes and still tries to stay true to context, even when some things prove wrong
[03:44]	TR News	"theyre so distracted by the tasks they are assigned that they dont have time to notice just how little impact on the world they are having. They would probably be horrified if they realized that many of them are likely causing more harm than good in the long run." gemini://pennywhether.xyz/articles/altruist-capture.gmi
[03:45]	matey	call it a "higher consistency"
[03:45]	matey	but not for convenience, only for-- 
[03:45]	matey	its like science
[03:45]	TR News	"One of the big arguments being put forward is that these corporations and wealthy people are creating these projects that claim to want to make the world better so that they can control them. This way they can point the altruistic people working under them in one direction." gemini://pennywhether.xyz/articles/altruist-capture.gmi
[03:45]	matey	we ditch luminiferous aether
[03:45]	matey	but we dont throw out the whole universe
[03:45]	matey	we learn from mistakes and move forward, refining the picture
[03:45]	TR News	ltruist-capture.gmi
[03:46]	matey	but theres a lot of coherence in science, it tries to make things as objective and universal as possible
[03:46]	matey	within reason
[03:46]	mjg59_	Obviously my understanding of free software is influenced by having spent a lot of time contributing to it from within a corporate context
[03:46]	matey	unfortunately
[03:46]	TR News	"all of this is basically altruist capture. Just as corporations have been involved with regulatory capture for years, effectively removing the teeth from regulators so that large businesses can do as they please, they are gobbling up young, intelligent, motivated people, and saddling them with a ton of corporate busy work so that they dont even have the opportunity to do anything that would threaten corporate interests"
[03:46]	mjg59_	And maybe my opinions about the benefits of that are more broad than they should be as a result
[03:46]	matey	at least youre not afraid to be critical of authority figures
[03:47]	matey	im not saying thats worked out for the best
[03:47]	TR News	"If they really wanted to fix the world, stopping that sort of nonsense would be a good start, and many of these people have the skills to potentially put a good size dent in those sort of things. The thing is that it would also put a good sized dent in the profits of the wealthy, and they are not going to have any of that"
[03:47]	matey	but its a vital step either way
[03:47]	mjg59_	But my interest in free software being a place that's welcoming as opposed to one that focused on platforming poisonous people as long as they say the right things in a specific context isn't related to that
[03:47]	matey	yeah i mean
[03:47]	matey	ive tried to familiarise myself with that approach
[03:48]	mjg59_	Pocock is anti-corporate, but he's also viciously attacked people who've spent a lot of their lives working on free software
[03:48]	matey	i dont think pocock is too useful at this point
[03:48]	matey	but i think he was at one point-- whether incidentally or by nature
[03:48]	matey	he played a role
[03:48]	matey	i notice his mailing list is defunct
[03:48]	mjg59_	Yeah
[03:48]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz_TR> who was driven to it by SFPF
[03:48]	matey	and his website came from his mailing list
[03:48]	DaemonFC	I was nearly driven to suicide by the police.
[03:48]	DaemonFC	Nobody cared.
[03:49]	matey	as surely as techrights comes from this irc (which is only half true, but significantly)
[03:49]	DaemonFC	They took the side of a pedophile and an illegal immigrant that he met on Grindr.
[03:49]	matey	if his mailing list is gone, i wonder if/when he will update his website
[03:49]	matey	his website is a mixed bag
[03:49]	TR News	"Thumbs up for Mozilla and KDE, mixed reaction to mobile Thunderbird and Microsoft, AI definitely isnt sentient, and more." https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-182/
[03:49]	TR Bot	 Late Night Linux Episode 182 Late Night Linux
[03:49]	matey	full of what i consider interesting information, some of which i believe to be true
[03:49]	matey	and some hyperbole so over the top maybe godwin was right 
[03:50]	matey	i think pocock doesnt know what hes doing, but i think he tried
[03:50]	matey	as for his motivations, i think at least some of them were good
[03:50]	matey	others its up for debate
[03:50]	mjg59_	I think he believes he's doing good
[03:51]	matey	of note is the fact that most people willing to attack him arent people im sympathetic to in the first place
[03:51]	matey	 I think he believes he's doing good <- yeah, me too
[03:51]	matey	thats a lower bar than people realise
[03:51]	mjg59_	And a bunch of things have happened that have resulted in him having an unfair view of a bunch of people
[03:51]	matey	and it applies to so much more than pocock!
[03:51]	TR News	Lessons of Social Control Media from BBSs | The Changelog https://changelog.complete.org/archives/10393-lessons-of-social-media-from-bbss Source: changelog
[03:51]	TR Bot	 Lessons of Social Media from BBSs | The Changelog
[03:51]	mjg59_	But that doesn't mean he's not hurting people
[03:51]	matey	well, pause for a moment
[03:51]	DaemonFC	The police drive a lot of people to suicide who don't deserve it.
[03:51]	matey	because here is something profound, and i wasnt the one who said it
[03:51]	matey	but i think most people will miss it, because most people do
[03:51]	TR News	GNOME Devs Mockup the Linux Image Viewer Ive Been Dreaming Of Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166274
[03:51]	TR Bot	 GNOME Devs Mockup the Linux Image Viewer Ive Been Dreaming Of | Tux Machines
[03:51]	DaemonFC	You just don't hear about it a lot.
[03:52]	schestowitz_TR	true
[03:52]	schestowitz_TR	police can ruin lives
[03:52]	schestowitz_TR	even kids' lives
[03:52]	matey	b"I think he believes he's doing good"
[03:52]	schestowitz_TR	like kids who send nudes to kid friends
[03:52]	schestowitz_TR	and the police makes it worse
[03:52]	schestowitz_TR	by threatening to destroy their lives
[03:52]	DaemonFC	Yeah, the police come in and bust them for taking pictures of themselves.
[03:52]	DaemonFC	Nab the other one for having the nudes.
[03:52]	schestowitz_TR	that's one example of many
[03:53]	mjg59_	Spoiler I am never going to stan the cops
[03:53]	schestowitz_TR	the cops don't;  get proper training
[03:53]	DaemonFC	And it's not some old pervert involved in it that goes to prison.
[03:53]	mjg59_	Basically every police force I've ever been subject to has been evil
[03:53]	DaemonFC	The cops don't want proper training.
[03:54]	DaemonFC	They join up because it's unlimited power with a paycheck and a gun.
[03:54]	DaemonFC	There's a certain psychology behind it, you know.
[03:54]	matey	the police always serve the same master
[03:54]	matey	once you understand this, it doesnt matter who becomes a policeman/policewoman
[03:55]	DaemonFC	Today I'm going to pull over a bunch of people who were harmlessly speeding a little and who didn't have any money and put them $300 in court debt that spirals out of control.
[03:55]	mjg59_	One literally collaborated with terrorists to murder people
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[03:55]	DaemonFC	Followed by ruining some guy's life due to fake reports from his girlfriend.
[03:55]	matey	anyone here could join the police
[03:55]	DaemonFC	And maybe after lunch I'll shoot someone because I can make up any story I want and plant drugs on the corpse.
[03:55]	mjg59_	One was described in an official report as "Institutionally racist"
[03:55]	matey	it wouldnt change a thing
[03:55]	mjg59_	One was subject to a federal consent decree for just straight up killing Black people
[03:55]	matey	and if everyone joined the police
[03:56]	matey	it wouldnt be the police
[03:56]	DaemonFC	<mjg59_> One was subject to a federal consent decree for just straight up killing Black people
[03:56]	matey	 One was subject to a federal consent decree for just straight up killing Black people <- police always serve the same master
[03:56]	matey	its a known fact that master is racist
[03:56]	DaemonFC	The Chicago Police entered into a consent decree on Obama's way out.
[03:57]	DaemonFC	And Trump spent 4 years ignoring every violation of it.
[03:57]	matey	its NOT hard to understand that police are institutionally racist
[03:57]	matey	its one of the most obvious things in the world
[03:57]	mjg59_	And one literally bombed the mayor's house
[03:57]	matey	even black cops are racist
[03:57]	matey	its insane
[03:57]	DaemonFC	There's a lot of racist black people.
[03:58]	matey	dfc of course will say "if even black cops are racist that should tell you something!"
[03:58]	DaemonFC	There's a lot of racist all kinds of people, and a lot of them get a free pass.
[03:58]	matey	it does, but it doesnt tell me what he thinks it should
[03:58]	matey	hes not capable of zooming out and seeing the big picture
[03:58]	matey	he cherrypicks but doesnt know hes cherrypicking
[03:58]	matey	there IS a better explanation
[03:58]	mjg59_	Dude still pretends he didn't sign me up to a bunch of spam lists
[03:58]	matey	but he settles for one he favours
[03:58]	DaemonFC	Oh I'm not all that racist really. 
[03:58]	matey	i mean you were both younger
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[03:59]	DaemonFC	The person I see stealing my catalytic converter is going to be just as shot as the next one.
[03:59]	matey	today such things are like federal crimes
[03:59]	mjg59_	Yeah but all I did was say "Hey, you're wrong about the details of this thing"
[03:59]	matey	but back in the day, that shit was just funny
[03:59]	matey	now its like, terrorism or something
[03:59]	matey	well yeah, people on the internet...
[03:59]	mjg59_	Eh it took like hours to deal with that shit
[03:59]	matey	i mean im sure weve both had death threats
[03:59]	matey	i know i have
[03:59]	matey	i fucking hate lennart poettering, for so many things
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[04:00]	mjg59_	Thankfully most of the lists in question used the same broken software that added a custom header I could filter on
[04:00]	matey	but even if i headed an international crime syndicate
[04:00]	matey	i dont think id do more than prank him
[04:00]	matey	he set my life off in a direction im not too unhappy about
[04:00]	DaemonFC	I've done so much worse than that and freely admit to it. Why would I say I didn't do THAT if I did?
[04:00]	matey	he helped destroyed gnu/linux (imo) but he coudlnt have done it without LOTS of help
[04:00]	matey	im not a fan
[04:00]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: So a kid in Canada who'd never met you just coincidentally gave me your IP address?
[04:00]	matey	but death threats are over the top
[04:01]	matey	<mjg59_> Eh it took like hours to deal with that shit <- exactly
[04:01]	DaemonFC	Let's see, I got someone thrown out of the military under DADT for breaking up with me.
[04:01]	matey	its like tp'ing your home
[04:01]	mjg59_	I mean
[04:01]	mjg59_	I literally have the emails in question
[04:01]	DaemonFC	I mean, you get me mad enough and I'll figure something out and it'll be a lot better than some damned emails.
[04:01]	mjg59_	Maybe someone hacked you and used your computer to sign me up
[04:01]	mjg59_	But that doesn't seem likely
[04:02]	DaemonFC	You know a lot of people have said I was wrong about something, and if I really am wrong, I'm just as happy to be wrong.
[04:03]	mjg59_	Don't really know what to say other than that someone who'd never met you and who I hadn't mentioned your name to gave me the same IP address you were using to join IRC at the time
[04:03]	matey	mjg: if you know he did it
[04:03]	matey	and its pretty obvious
[04:03]	matey	and you fixed it in hours
[04:03]	DaemonFC	The only reason you knew the IP address was because I was on IRC that was logged and displayed in a public server.
[04:04]	matey	why try so hard to get him to admit it?
[04:04]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: No, I have an email from the kid in Canada with your IP address in it
[04:04]	mjg59_	matey: Eh some vague desire for closure
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[04:04]	matey	i mean some people just double down until theyre literally dead
[04:04]	DaemonFC	Okay, and if he saw the same log you did, he'd know it too.
[04:04]	mjg59_	Yeah it's not really rational
[04:04]	matey	ive dealt with people who took such bullshit to the grave
[04:04]	matey	oh, people arent rational
[04:04]	matey	i mean rational is NICE but its not common
[04:04]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: Uh he wasn't an Ubuntu user
[04:05]	mjg59_	He was some kid running a Quake server who IRCed with the people who set up Spamza
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[04:05]	DaemonFC	You remind me of Steve Gibson.
[04:05]	matey	i mean, you know what happened
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[04:05]	DaemonFC	Have I ever told you that?
[04:05]	matey	thats all the closure you need
[04:05]	matey	you can find people who can tell the obvious
[04:05]	mjg59_	matey: Yeah I guess it's just frustrating having someone repeatedly deny it
[04:05]	matey	oh, well yea
[04:05]	DaemonFC	Set up an entire website to complain that he was a security expert who got DDoSed by a 13 year old in Minnesota or something.
[04:05]	mjg59_	But you're right that it's clearly never happening
[04:05]	matey	i mean gaslighting is a bitch
[04:06]	matey	plus
[04:07]	matey	and im not saying this to defend anyone in particular
[04:07]	matey	but theres always a snowballs chance in hell he actually didnt do it
[04:07]	matey	sometimes when the evidence is overwhelming
[04:07]	matey	i mean, every day you put your feet on the floor
[04:07]	matey	because youre more or less certain its there
[04:07]	matey	its not a theory you really need to test every morning
[04:07]	matey	but i suppose if one day its not like that, anyone would be surprised, right?
[04:08]	matey	still it doesnt keep physicists awake at night
[04:08]	DaemonFC	It all rather seems circumstantial.
[04:08]	DaemonFC	Highly speculative.
[04:08]	matey	because some things really are pretty obvious
[04:08]	DaemonFC	I'd go as far as to say prejudicial even.
[04:09]	matey	meaning you dont have to spend your whole life second guessing everything infiniately
[04:09]	matey	it wouldnt even be sane to do so
[04:09]	matey	sometimes you can settle on the obvious and move on, at least until really exceptional evidence to the contrary comes along
[04:09]	DaemonFC	I'm just sitting here with the popcorn waiting for San Francisco to be ruined by the next dotcom bubble bursting.
[04:09]	mjg59_	A third party with no link to you gave me your IP address
[04:10]	mjg59_	That's literally not circumstantial
[04:10]	DaemonFC	These app companies are going bye bye soon.
[04:10]	matey	but there seem to be exceptions to every rule
[04:10]	DaemonFC	The only reason any of this went on so long is because of basically free money.
[04:10]	DaemonFC	Everything in the real world here is grinding to a halt. It was already there from when times were better, it's seen better days, and it's rotting away.
[04:11]	DaemonFC	Like my house my grandfather built.
[04:11]	DaemonFC	Nobody has any money to keep these things going because the real economy died a long time ago.
[04:11]	DaemonFC	So they just throw new paint on it every once in a while and let it fall apart. Live in it while they can.
[04:11]	schestowitz_TR	1970s
[04:11]	mjg59_	Sigh this involves me actually digging out backups
[04:12]	DaemonFC	*the house
[04:12]	matey	mjg59_ <- if i were going to tell you what to do
[04:12]	DaemonFC	schestowitz_TR, I'd put it more in the 1990s.
[04:12]	matey	i have a completely different set of suggestions, so this isnt about that
[04:12]	matey	but just as an idea
[04:12]	DaemonFC	There was still plenty of real stuff happening until the mid 90s, early 2000s.
[04:12]	matey	go somewhere, anywhere, to learn everything you can about cluster b personality disorders
[04:13]	schestowitz_TR	90s was peak fantasy
[04:13]	schestowitz_TR	2000 was first blowup
[04:13]	matey	for two reasons: maybe three
[04:13]	matey	first, youll understand 
[04:13]	matey	90s was peak fantasy <- oh i dont know
[04:13]	matey	first, youll understand the tech industry better than you ever have
[04:13]	mjg59_	matey: Ha for various reasons I actually have a bunch of experience in that respect
[04:13]	matey	second, it will bring you complete peace about this spam thing
[04:13]	matey	 Ha for various reasons I actually have a bunch of experience <- i dont doubt it, this is about application.
[04:14]	DaemonFC	Nobody is having kids, the whole world is falling apart. Yosemite just got washed away.
[04:14]	DaemonFC	5 states are about to have NO water.
[04:14]	matey	experience can be helpful and misleading at the same time
[04:14]	mjg59_	matey: It's hard to get a good read of someone's personality just over the internet
[04:14]	DaemonFC	And one mjg59_ is ranting about something that allegedly happened in 2008.
[04:14]	matey	theory can help sort it all out
[04:14]	matey	books, even youtube videos! can be VERY informative
[04:14]	mjg59_	Funny, I didn't say anything about 2008 here
[04:14]	matey	shed light on all sorts of little details that YEARS of personal experience could miss
[04:14]	mjg59_	Sounds like you have some awareness of the situation
[04:14]	matey	even if you saw them with your own eyes
[04:15]	matey	 It's hard to get a good read of someone's personality just over the internet <- yes
[04:15]	matey	but behaviour is easier
[04:15]	matey	sometimes
[04:15]	DaemonFC	Err Yellowstone, I meant. Tired.
[04:15]	DaemonFC	Well, Yosemite is fucked too.
[04:15]	DaemonFC	They're logging old growth trees that have been there for hundreds of years so boomers can wipe their asses on them.
[04:16]	matey	for example
[04:16]	matey	once you can prove that youre up against every sign of just... lying
[04:16]	matey	the need to prove x is a lie mostly just falls away
[04:16]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: Anyway you did at the time talk about being in contact with the Spamza people
[04:16]	matey	not entirely... i mean, someone whos an alcoholic is always an alcoholic
[04:16]	matey	but they can also live without alcohol
[04:17]	matey	if you can prove within reason, even to yoursel
[04:17]	matey	that somoene will always lie
[04:17]	DaemonFC	I think I was trying to ask them what the hell was going on.
[04:17]	matey	the thing theyre lying about DEFINITELY becomes less of an issue
[04:17]	matey	it goes from being a thing that niggles at you to something you can kind of laugh at
[04:17]	matey	because you realise how silly people are
[04:17]	DaemonFC	But so many important things have happened since 2008 that I don't even remember the year 2008 that well.
[04:18]	matey	you also realise theyre just really fucked up and
[04:18]	mjg59_	Urgh extracting half a terrabyte onto rotating media
[04:18]	matey	ultimately theres very little revenge you could get that would ever be on par with them just being then
[04:18]	matey	of course
[04:18]	matey	youll still want to prove it :)
[04:18]	matey	only real difference is
[04:19]	matey	now it wont matter much if you never do :)
[04:19]	mjg59_	In this case I'm just going to try to find this one email and then that's it
[04:19]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz_TR> here's one reason to dislike cops
[04:19]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz_TR> they do "negative" things
[04:19]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz_TR> they disrupt crimes
[04:19]	matey	its unfortunate we are connected to an industry that is like 90% bullshitters
[04:20]	DaemonFC	Relying on the state for "protection" is a mistake.
[04:20]	matey	some because they like it, and several because they believe its a requirement 
[04:20]	matey	(because it nearly is-- nearly)
[04:20]	mjg59_	When I die I'd like people to say that I was wrong but believed I was right
[04:20]	DaemonFC	Because when the people who have a hit out on me show up at my front door step, it's not going to be the police they need to worry about.
[04:20]	matey	well i already think you were wrong :)
[04:21]	matey	its at least possible you believed you were right
[04:21]	mjg59_	Yeah it's really about whether I was just saying stuff I actually disagreed with for some sort of benefit
[04:21]	DaemonFC	MARISOL took out a million dollar life insurance policy on my spouse (which I had to get canceled).
[04:21]	DaemonFC	THe police did nothing, even though she did it from her iPhone, using her real IP address.
[04:21]	matey	just know that
[04:21]	DaemonFC	And even though that's a felony.
[04:21]	matey	when i say that narcissism is curable but it depends ENTIRELY on the determination of the narcissist
[04:22]	matey	and it almost never happens (though it is possible)
[04:22]	matey	its NOT just a roundabout way of picking on you
[04:22]	matey	im talking about an industry here
[04:22]	matey	a  complete environment of utter fuckery
[04:22]	DaemonFC	The "church" they're in is a terrorist group. If you tell Immigration Canada that church has a hit out on you, they'll give you a refugee visa so you don't have to go back to the Philippines.
[04:22]	DaemonFC	But they've killed at least three people in Canada, and a few in the US.
[04:23]	DaemonFC	I have absolutely no intention to go out like that, so I conceal and carry.
[04:23]	matey	i also think capitalism plays a large role in this
[04:23]	matey	but i avoided anticapitalism for as long as i could
[04:24]	matey	it was actually free software that made me believe libertarianism was a real possible thing
[04:24]	DaemonFC	I'd like to have at least a fighting chance if they come for me.
[04:24]	matey	and my brand of anticapitalism still leans sort of libertarianish
[04:24]	matey	but anti-corporate
[04:24]	matey	when you have an infection, pus can form-- happens all the time, no big deal
[04:25]	matey	an abcess on the other hand, is a real problem
[04:25]	matey	this is a metaphor for corporations
[04:25]	matey	theyre capitalist abcesses
[04:25]	mjg59_	matey: Y'know this is interesting
[04:25]	mjg59_	Free software was what convinced me libertarianism wasn't viable
[04:25]	matey	oh 
[04:25]	matey	me too
[04:25]	matey	at first, they made me think
[04:26]	matey	look, this could work
[04:26]	DaemonFC	I have logs of John discussing with other men how they wanted him to come over and rape their children in front of them.
[04:26]	matey	but the events of 2018-present proved that wrong (imo) 
[04:26]	DaemonFC	I'm sure the TSA found those interesting.
[04:26]	matey	i wont forgive capitalism for what happened
[04:26]	mjg59_	My anti-corporatism is still of the socialist type, which I don't think is where you are
[04:26]	matey	oh you dont think im socialist?
[04:26]	matey	thats ok, but i find it funny
[04:26]	mjg59_	Oh! Honestly it wasn't entirely clear
[04:26]	fuzzy	i think it is the consumerist/corporate interests, which destroy _technical_ qualities, of software
[04:26]	mjg59_	I guess we've never really talked about the role of the state in any of this
[04:27]	fuzzy	historically, software and computers were designed for: SCIENTIFIC work
[04:27]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, So your secret plan to defeat Capitalism is to write DRM for them?
[04:27]	DaemonFC	That sounds like a really crappy plan to me.
[04:27]	mjg59_	I'd interpreted you as being both anti-corporate and anti-state
[04:27]	matey	it always comes down to what you mean by socialism doesnt it
[04:27]	fuzzy	meanwhile, GNU/FSF followed too far along what consumers/corproations want
[04:27]	mjg59_	My partner's an anarchist, so I'm used to disagreement on this topic
[04:27]	matey	whats your take on ubi?
[04:28]	matey	not the most important question, more for fun
[04:28]	mjg59_	I'm conceptually in favour but suspect that most current tech-backed efforts nominally in favour of UBI are not good things
[04:28]	matey	of course
[04:28]	matey	i think in the short run its a great idea
[04:28]	fuzzy	if i may, ubi is a political scam... if ubi doesn't pay rent, nor does it imply any "right to work"
[04:29]	matey	i woudlnt opposse it
[04:29]	matey	<fuzzy>  <- funny that you support "right to work"
[04:29]	matey	which is also a great idea
[04:29]	fuzzy	it's just, the bureaucratic apparatus, of the state, who had some responsibility, to plan and organize work/employment
[04:29]	fuzzy	with surrounding social legislation, are relieved, then, from any responsibility
[04:29]	fuzzy	UBI, eat or die, we don't care...
[04:30]	matey	mj59_ if we disagree on socialism
[04:30]	matey	its because you think socialism depends on the state
[04:30]	matey	which it SORT OF DOES, in the short tun
[04:30]	matey	run
[04:30]	matey	and i dont think thats a problem 
[04:30]	matey	in the long run the state is irrelevant
[04:30]	matey	and in the short run its unavoidable
[04:30]	matey	people trying to get rid of the state as the first step-- that will never work
[04:31]	matey	its like trying to take off training wheels before you can move your legs
[04:31]	matey	wtf is that going to achieve?
[04:31]	matey	if people make socialism work
[04:32]	matey	they wont have to worry about the state
[04:32]	matey	it will have served its purpose
[04:33]	mjg59_	Sorry to pause this the dog just threw up on the rug
[04:33]	matey	the dog just threw up on the rug <- they do that
[04:43]	mjg59_	The dog is bigger than me, so it's kind of an elaborate thing to deal with
[04:43]	matey	oh yeah
[04:44]	matey	even small dogs can create incredible amounts of it, not unlike babies
[04:44]	matey	lending credence to the many-worlds hypothesis, because where else does all that shit come from
[04:46]	matey	i know a dog (not mine) that thinks hes a goat
[04:46]	matey	and so he keeps eating things that needs surgically removed
[04:46]	mjg59_	I managed to scoot them off the rug halfway through so it could have been worse
[04:46]	mjg59_	And at least we have a pet vacuum for this purpose
[04:46]	matey	theres a good product idea, honestly
[04:48]	matey	my second least favourite page on the gnu website https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html
[04:48]	TR Bot	 Words to Avoid (or Use with Care) Because They Are Loaded or Confusing - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation
[04:48]	matey	there are some good points of course
[04:48]	mjg59_	iRobot's entire advertising program for their new Roombas is that they can recognise pet waste before running into it and smearing it everywhere
[04:49]	matey	my issue with irobot of course is they make houseplans available to some internet-based entity
[04:49]	matey	which for me is a dealbreaker
[04:49]	matey	theyre also non-free
[04:49]	matey	other than these two things i think irobot is fucking cool shit
[04:49]	matey	but i wouldnt own one
[04:50]	matey	i would expect everyone who works on self-driving cars to 
[04:50]	matey	because theyre self-driving hoovers
[04:50]	matey	granted if a car self-drove itself anything like a roomba
[04:50]	matey	people would have already switched back to horse and buggies
[04:51]	matey	"yeah it shits everywhere but at least it knows where its going!"
[04:51]	mjg59_	Roombas are kind of like Teslas now - trying to solve everything with vision
[04:51]	matey	somehow thats worse
[04:52]	mjg59_	Neatos use lidar instead, which is more like most other autonomus vehicle approaches
[04:52]	matey	i thought tesla used lidar too
[04:52]	mjg59_	Nope
[04:52]	matey	there you have it
[04:52]	mjg59_	They used to have radar as well, but dropped it last year because of supply chain issues
[04:52]	matey	oh ok
[04:52]	mjg59_	Elon's super anti-lidar
[04:53]	mjg59_	His argument is that humans can drive without lidar, so what can't a car
[04:53]	matey	any particular reason?
[04:53]	mjg59_	And the obvious answer is that humans are better at this than a fairly low power embedded ARM with some custom logic
[04:53]	mjg59_	Also, humans drive into things a lot
[04:54]	mjg59_	To be fair Tesla's trying to solve a much harder problem than the rest of the industry and if they're successful then fair play
[04:55]	mjg59_	But I don't think anyone who works on this stuff outside Tesla is optimistic (I should say that I don't have much insight into the actual autonomy stack on our products so this is not a super-informed opinion)
[04:55]	matey	is the rest of the industry focusing more exclusively on "obstacle avoidance" or something?
[04:55]	mjg59_	Basically everyone else is video + radar + lidar
[04:55]	mjg59_	Get as much information as possible and throw it into a much bigger computer than Tesla use
[04:56]	matey	mmhmm
[04:57]	mjg59_	Radar does make things harder - it's really hard to distinguish between stationary objects that are actually on the road and stationary objects that are around the road (like sign gantries)
[04:57]	mjg59_	If you use radar without using other information sources then you tend to end up ignoring stationary objects that suddenly appear
[04:57]	matey	that sounds bad
[04:57]	mjg59_	Like if there's a fire truck parked in a lane and the car in front of you pulls out to overtake it
[04:57]	mjg59_	Which is a significant percentage of the Tesla autopilot crashes
[04:58]	DaemonFC	<mjg59_> iRobot's entire advertising program for their new Roombas is that they can recognise pet waste before running into it and smearing it everywhere
[04:58]	matey	but what about others?
[04:58]	DaemonFC	These things are still fucking stupid.
[04:58]	matey	a more significant percentage?
[04:58]	mjg59_	matey: Actually a hard question! Everyone else uses lidar as well, which in theory lets you distinguish
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[04:59]	mjg59_	But the number of highway miles driven by Teslas is *way( higher than everyone else
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[04:59]	mjg59_	So I have a gut feeling, but I don't have numbers to substantiate it
[04:59]	matey	and you work for a related company but
[04:59]	mjg59_	As far as I know, only collision we've had is someone blowing a stop sign and driving into one of our vehicles
[04:59]	matey	theres no problem saying this about research
[04:59]	matey	even if it makes tesla sound better than your company
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[05:00]	mjg59_	Like I said, Tesla's trying to solve a much harder problem
[05:00]	mjg59_	Making cars behave like humans
[05:00]	mjg59_	Except better
[05:00]	matey	and thats-- i mean your company wouldnt be unhappy about you saying that?
[05:01]	matey	is it just-- theyre more interested in the science than sheer competition, or hwat
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[05:01]	matey	its less interesting than the science part of it but im still curious
[05:01]	mjg59_	I don't think anyone in the industry disagrees with that
[05:01]	DaemonFC	I'd probably buy an electric Buick. At least that's a real company.
[05:01]	matey	/me nods
[05:01]	DaemonFC	If there was anywhere to plug it in.
[05:02]	mjg59_	But I don't think many people in the industry think the problem that Tesla is trying to solve is something that can be solved with existing tech
[05:02]	DaemonFC	Tesla will fail.
[05:02]	matey	ha
[05:02]	DaemonFC	In 5 years, we will go "Oh yeah, Tesla. Remember that?".
[05:02]	mjg59_	Everyone else is trying to solve an easier problem
[05:03]	matey	i like solving easier problems, personally
[05:03]	mjg59_	Which is "How do we drive on a subset of roads with a lot more sensory information than humans have"
[05:03]	matey	people that can solve harder problems, thats cool too
[05:03]	DaemonFC	How to make electric cars as a profitable company with years to get it right now that Tesla has worked out all the shitty alpha product bugs?
[05:03]	matey	its very much my approach to look for easier routes to problem solving-- within reason of course
[05:03]	DaemonFC	It's still a shitty beta project, but Tesla is a company that doesn't make profit.
[05:04]	DaemonFC	So they cut corners and they're super sketchy about how they treat you if you get a total lemon.
[05:04]	matey	occasionally, easier is cheap or worthless. but a lot of times its just "work smarter, not harder"
[05:04]	mjg59_	I mean, "Worse is Better" is kind of how Unix won
[05:04]	DaemonFC	One guy gave them $160,000, the battery was so defective that it couldn't get half the stated range, new, in good weather, so they said they'd take it back and refund his money.
[05:04]	DaemonFC	That was two years ago.
[05:04]	matey	thats what they say
[05:04]	DaemonFC	They're still taking payments out of his bank accoutn for a car he doesn't even have and stonewalling him about the "refund".
[05:05]	mjg59_	Shipping something that works and is easy to deal with is preferable to something that's conceptually better but compromised as a result
[05:05]	matey	i dont know if waterfall gave us anything i prefer 
[05:05]	DaemonFC	Besides, gasoline engines have gotten much more efficient.
[05:06]	DaemonFC	There's people out there driving V8s with a SUV the size of a house that get better gas mileage than I do, and still whining about gas prices.
[05:06]	matey	i wonder if "worse is better" will/does apply to hardware or not
[05:06]	matey	it doesnt with dell laptops at least
[05:06]	DaemonFC	Of course, it takes so much technology, that the reliability takes a dump.
[05:06]	mjg59_	In some ways
[05:06]	DaemonFC	And you want rid of the car before the warranty expires.
[05:06]	matey	foom
[05:06]	DaemonFC	So there's a price to be paid for that "efficiency".
[05:07]	mjg59_	See how long x86 has been triumphant
[05:07]	mjg59_	Nothing about the design is good, but a combination of factors conspired to outcompete everything else for decades
[05:07]	matey	i think part of that is more about shady practices 
[05:07]	mjg59_	It's good to see meaningful competition there now
[05:07]	matey	but it obviously works, im using it now
[05:07]	DaemonFC	Modern cars in general are all like $60,000 and even those fall apart.
[05:07]	DaemonFC	Just not as bad as their compliance cars do.
[05:08]	matey	as with network effects, having such a consistent platform has advantages
[05:08]	matey	and costs
[05:08]	matey	throw in what theyve done to stay relevant, and it can be ugly too
[05:09]	matey	meaningful competition is the only hope imo
[05:09]	matey	im not in a hurry to scrap my x86 stuff
[05:09]	matey	but it would be nice
[05:09]	matey	i wasnt in a hurry to scrap linux but it made me very happy to do so
[05:09]	mjg59_	Yeah I'll be glad to get off x86
[05:09]	matey	before i managed it i spent years talking about it
[05:10]	mjg59_	Except right now Apple's really the only vendor who has something competitive in laptop/desktop space
[05:10]	matey	being quite forward about the fact that i hadnt managed it yet
[05:10]	mjg59_	And I do appreciate that Apple aren't utterly fucking over free software on their new hardware, but still
[05:10]	matey	right now comes and goes very quickly
[05:10]	matey	right now if i HAD TO buy a self driving car
[05:10]	matey	im sure it would be a tesla
[05:10]	matey	which doesnt make me a fan
[05:11]	matey	And I do appreciate that Apple aren't utterly fucking over free software on their new hardware <- im sure theyll get to it
[05:11]	mjg59_	Dunno if Tesla started complying with the GPL yet
[05:11]	mjg59_	matey: They explicitly modified their firmware to make it easier to run Linux
[05:11]	mjg59_	I mean, they haven't documented anything
[05:11]	matey	yeah but heres the thing about that seriously
[05:11]	matey	people make gestures and peace offerings all the time
[05:11]	mjg59_	But they did ensure that their systems could run free software
[05:11]	mjg59_	So it could be a lot worse
[05:12]	matey	its still one of the largest corporations in tech
[05:12]	matey	and its going to act like that
[05:12]	mjg59_	Better than a lot of Android
[05:12]	matey	theres no loyalty to anything but profit in the long term
[05:12]	matey	oh android is shit on toast
[05:12]	matey	if you gave me $5000 to spend on android
[05:12]	matey	i wouldnt bother
[05:12]	matey	it would only be $5000 of crap
[05:13]	matey	unless it got me a pinephone or something
[05:13]	matey	then i might
[05:15]	matey	 They explicitly modified their firmware to make it easier to run Linux <- this is a good business move
[05:16]	matey	/me thinks back to when dell jumped on that bandwagon, and how that worked out
[05:16]	matey	its not exactly the same because historically dell is pushed around more by microsoft than apple is
[05:17]	matey	but i still think apples move is similar-- a business move, like it could be anything else
[05:17]	matey	tomorrow it wont mean anything, theyre not in the linux business
[05:17]	matey	theyre in the apple business
[05:18]	matey	ibm bought red hat, and theyre still not in the red hat business
[05:18]	matey	theyre in the ibm business
[05:18]	matey	an investment shouldnt make people think they care about something
[05:19]	matey	theyre putting money where they think it will get them more money
[05:19]	matey	for as long as that lasts, which is very often not long
[05:20]	matey	people should think of investments like digging a well
[05:21]	matey	theyll go there until it runs dry-- then they wont
[05:21]	matey	people think "this means theyre going to care about the water table"
[05:21]	matey	no, it means theyre going to take water out of the ground, thats all
[05:21]	matey	thats the fullness of the committment
[05:22]	matey	people are wise to this, so companies now say "we are doing this because of a long-term interest in the sustainabilty of the water table"
[05:22]	matey	but of course thats bullshit
[05:23]	matey	extraction isnt caring
[05:23]	matey	business is mostly about extraction
[05:24]	matey	the history of capitalism is that when the well runs dry, they go where they can dig new ones
[05:25]	matey	sustainability costs too much in the short run. its at odds with their goals
[05:25]	matey	but the short version is apple doesnt care about one goddamned thing in the whole world
[05:25]	matey	it cant, it never will
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[05:26]	matey	it just extracts things
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[05:27]	matey	and it cares as much as hf/hcl cares about etching glass
[05:29]	matey	even if you take the most caring person in the world behind the wheel of something like apple
[05:29]	matey	its a runaway train
[05:29]	matey	they might be able to lessen the damage it does, while derailing the whole thing
[05:29]	matey	then someone takes the money and builds another runaway train
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[05:43]	DaemonFC	<mjg59_> Yeah I'll be glad to get off x86
[05:44]	DaemonFC	Just as soon as Microsoft tells you which other platform they need you to help ruin?
[05:48]	mjg59_	Y'know weirdly the extent to which I work with Microsoft is driven by what other people want to work, not by what Microsoft wants
[05:49]	matey	it probably sounds like a square circle
[05:49]	matey	but id be more interested in not giving microsoft what they want, no matter what other people think they want
[05:50]	matey	you have to imagine what a world would be like without all these cults
[05:50]	matey	then do things for that world
[05:50]	matey	of course i realise that intermediate steps are also necessary
[05:50]	matey	just not all of them
[05:51]	matey	theres an infinite number of intermediate steps. if some arent ignored, it would take an infinite amount of time to traverse them
[05:52]	matey	if zeno were a douchebag, he would exploit this
[05:52]	matey	others do
[05:53]	matey	theres another practical example of zenos paradox
[05:54]	matey	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coastline_paradox
[05:54]	TR Bot	 Coastline paradox - Wikipedia
[05:55]	matey	i like intermediate steps
[05:55]	matey	the trick is knowing which ones to step on, and which ones to step over
[05:56]	matey	theres no way to get it right all the time
[05:56]	matey	you just have to get it right often enough that real progress doesnt take forever
[05:57]	matey	the opposite problem is too many shortcuts
[05:57]	matey	also leading to defeat
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[05:58]	matey	people probably know this on some level so they all have their own methods of figuring out which steps are important and which ones are a costly waste of time
[05:58]	matey	if you rank them, you see that some methods will never work
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[05:59]	matey	some have shown real promise but obviously havent gotten us there
[05:59]	matey	yet
[05:59]	matey	the ones that will never work can be discarded
[05:59]	matey	theyre the ones promoted most heavily by parties who hope we never get there :)
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[06:00]	matey	and some people who promote them are innocents who get fooled by the approach
[06:00]	matey	i believed in open source more than a decade ago
[06:00]	matey	it was an innocent mistake unaware of the real nature of open source
[06:01]	matey	its still a terrible idea
[06:01]	matey	one that will never work
[06:01]	matey	it has an infinite number of steps between here and user freedom
[06:02]	matey	reform isnt so bad 
[06:03]	matey	if enough people count on it, it goes nowhere
[06:03]	matey	we need more than reform, because for every step forward they have more than that to send us back
[06:04]	matey	i didnt study ee but i think the term "impedance mismatch" applies
[06:04]	matey	so does https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interference_(wave_propagation)
[06:04]	TR Bot	 Wave interference - Wikipedia
[06:08]	matey	stallman had a revolutionary idea-- im not saying hes the only one
[06:08]	matey	the fsf is reformist, and at this point so is stallman (im not sure he was ever more than a reformer)
[06:09]	matey	oskar schindler was a very heroic reformer
[06:09]	matey	in a time of crisis, reformers can do a great deal of good
[06:09]	matey	imagine relying on a bunch of oskar schindlers to end the war in a victory
[06:09]	matey	no matter how good his deeds were
[06:10]	matey	they wouldnt be enough to change the outcome-- only to save handfuls of people
[06:10]	matey	obviously this is no condemnation of his heroic efforts
[06:10]	matey	only to say, if you want to change everything
[06:11]	matey	doing it little by little wont get us there, there have to be leaps forward
[06:11]	matey	settling for reform would be like
[06:11]	matey	the vitriol i have for mike godwin is mostly tongue in cheek, but i do wish he would jump in a lake
[06:12]	matey	at any rate, it would take more schindlers than we will ever have to change the whole thing
[06:13]	matey	we simply need something bigger than that alone-- if its the most a person can do, thats great
[06:13]	matey	its not a strategy thats going to win 
[06:13]	matey	open source kept taking what we could do and cutting it in half
[06:14]	matey	id rather eat stir fry than choke trying to eat a giant steak whole
[06:14]	matey	but i dont need every meal i consumer turned into nano-particle pablum
[06:14]	matey	open source keeps making free software infantile and corporate
[06:15]	matey	its a counterrevolution
[06:15]	matey	baby stepping right off a cliff
[06:15]	matey	and its taken over everything
[06:17]	matey	oh, theres a fine parallel between this and what stalin did too
[06:17]	matey	stalin was in a hurry to get his 5 year plans done at any cost
[06:17]	matey	so everything got turned into quotas
[06:17]	matey	and then quotas would be expanded
[06:17]	matey	more progress! more progress!
[06:18]	matey	its a lot like measuring airplane progress by the pound
[06:18]	matey	what happened with these quotas was a hard lesson
[06:18]	matey	to push agriculture "forward" progress was measured in acres tilled
[06:19]	matey	there are so many analogues of this, in capitalism and in fake political progress
[06:19]	matey	acres tilled was just one way in which superficiality took over the big plans
[06:19]	matey	but because everyone was pushed to till as many acres as possible, they cut corners by tilling less deeply
[06:20]	matey	shallow tilling lead to crop failures
[06:20]	matey	crop failures to famines, and famines obviously to deaths in great numbers
[06:20]	matey	thats what you get for "acres tilled" 
[06:20]	matey	thats what shallow measures of "progress" gets the world
[06:20]	matey	its deadly
[06:21]	matey	to say the least, its destructive and self-defeating
[06:21]	matey	but reform pissing matches still make gold standards of such things
[06:21]	matey	then wonder why people pile so much hate onto such mistakes
[06:22]	matey	whats to like about ordering everyone to aim at their foot and fire?
[06:22]	matey	people are going to hate it
[06:22]	matey	so they start shooting anyone who complains :)
[06:22]	matey	no wonder mincer thinks the only answer is for humanity to kill itself
[06:23]	matey	i mean its hard to blame him
[06:24]	matey	but every stage of human progress thinks its the last one 
[06:24]	matey	and civilisation is pretty adamant about this
[06:24]	matey	you were nothing before you met me! you can be nothing again!
[06:25]	matey	it claims the only paths forward are the status quo and going back to what it was like before
[06:25]	matey	no other options
[06:25]	matey	i mean find a king who says "yknow, fuck royals, what fucking good are they REALLY"
[06:26]	matey	every stage of human progress thinks its the highest possible and its all downhill from there
[06:26]	matey	so you might as well get used to it
[06:27]	matey	we can still make some pretty amazing and stupid mistakes along the way though
[06:27]	matey	enough to convince mincer its pointless at least
[06:27]	matey	even if we do ever pull off something better
[06:27]	matey	hes going to win this argument in the short run either way
[06:28]	matey	and by the short run i mean the past few centuries...
[06:28]	matey	its a discomforting trend
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[06:29]	matey	i think if you focus on the past two centuries though
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[06:30]	matey	there are hints at something better being possible
[06:30]	matey	and this not NECESSARILY being the last stage of human progress
[06:30]	matey	a lot of which has been glossed over and even rewritten
[06:31]	matey	because people REALLY want us to keep doing things the way we do them now
[06:31]	matey	even if it kills us
[06:33]	matey	if enough people figure that out, and take the right steps
[06:33]	matey	theres at least a possibility, however remote, we can do better than oskar schindler
[06:33]	matey	not for pride, not for competition
[06:33]	matey	just to save the human race
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[06:38]	TR News	New: Mr. Brishers Treasure by H. G. Wells gemini://gemini.locrian.zone/library/Wells/Brisher.gmi
[06:39]	TR News	"That bear remains on the couch to this day, slumbering softly but has never awoken. And the bluetooth mouse no longer speaks at all." gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/users/joneworlds/bear-orange-juice.gmi
[06:41]	TR News	"What this says to me is that SSH speed testing is not trivial and has non-obvious results that I don't (currently) understand." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/sysadmin/SshFastBulkSpeed-2022 | Source: uni Toronto
[06:41]	TR Bot	 Chris's Wiki :: blog/sysadmin/SshFastBulkSpeed-2022
[06:41]	TR News	"As mentioned in my previous article, we do not use upstream build system to build LLVM in the base system, but hand-writen BSD Makefiles." https://www.cambus.net/differences-between-base-and-ports-llvm-in-openbsd/ | Source: Frederic Cambus
[06:41]	TR Bot	 Differences between base and ports LLVM in OpenBSD | Frederic Cambus
[06:42]	schestowitz_TR	<matey> no wonder mincer thinks the only answer is for humanity to kill itself
[06:42]	schestowitz_TR	we are getting close these days
[06:43]	TR News	"For the past couple weeks I've been experimenting on the Blackbird to see what window managers and desktop environments seem to work well with Fedora on ppc64le before I try to migrate my main Talos II workstation to whatever I end up picking." https://www.talospace.com/2022/06/fedora-36-mini-mini-review-on-blackbird.html | Source: Talospace
[06:43]	TR Bot	 Fedora 36 mini-mini-review on the Blackbird
[06:43]	schestowitz_TR	financially and morally bankrupt nations have nothing left to lose
[06:43]	matey	thats been true of north korea forever
[06:44]	matey	well obviously not FOREVER
[06:44]	matey	but for long enough to learn something about financially and morally bankrupt nations
[06:44]	TR News	"Himitsu draws inspiration from Plan 9s factotum, but polished up and redesigned for Unix. At its core, Himitsu is a key/value store and a simple protocol for interacting with it." https://drewdevault.com/2022/06/20/Himitsu.html | Source: Drew DeVault
[06:44]	TR Bot	 Introducing the Himitsu keyring & password manager for Unix
[06:45]	TR News	"Most people dont need a history lesson to know that Google has changed; they feel it. Try searching for a product on your smartphone and youll see that what was once a small teal bar featuring one sponsored link is now a hard-to-decipher" https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/google-search-algorithm-internet/661325/ | Source: The Atlantic
[06:45]	TR Bot	 Is Google Dying? Or Did the Web Grow Up? - The Atlantic
[06:45]	matey	as for russia it tends to collapse when it overreaches
[06:45]	matey	a lot of times it has help
[06:45]	TR News	Good for GNU/Linux https://www.itpro.co.uk/operating-systems/microsoft-windows/368320/microsoft-reportedly-blocks-russian-windows-10-and-11 | Source: IT Pro
[06:45]	TR Bot	 Microsoft reportedly blocks Russian Windows 10 and Windows 11 downloads | IT PRO
[06:45]	matey	but its had one gun aimed squarely at its own foot since the great depression
[06:46]	TR News	Surveillance https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-chat-control-proposal-germany-takes-the-lead-in-defending-confidentiality-of-communications/ | Source: Patrick Breyer
[06:46]	TR Bot	 EU chat control proposal: Germany takes the lead in defending confidentiality of communications Patrick Breyer
[06:48]	matey	"theyve taken a classic direction, in that there is no direction" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=UblSm_0sgb0
[06:48]	TR Bot	 Tom and Jerry: Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory Nostalgia Critic - Invidious
[06:49]	matey	when shows lose their audience, they start doing celebrity guests
[06:49]	matey	chris martin on extras, in a show that didnt even exist
[06:49]	matey	stephen fry on... thats probably not fair
[06:49]	matey	or maybe it is
[06:50]	matey	either way, im sure theres going to be fun times at the fsf
[06:50]	matey	now with sunglasses
[06:51]	matey	deal with it!
[06:51]	TR News	Updated today: "In this talk I go over the old web (of 1990s and early 2000s) and how websites looked back then, fast-forwarding to the present day and the sad current state of the web, and some possibilities on where we could go from here if we would like to have a better net/web in the future for user freedom, privacy, and control." https://bndl.org/net-beyond-web.txt
[06:51]	TR News	xkcd: Superintelligent AIs https://xkcd.com/2635/ Source: xkcd
[06:51]	TR Bot	Superintelligent AIs
[06:53]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166275
[06:53]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[06:54]	matey	i dont like nostalgia critic, hes like a cracked out mike nelson
[06:54]	TR News	Norwegian Meteorological Institute https://www.salon.com/2022/06/20/red-alert-portions-of-the-arctic-are-warming-much-faster-than-we-thought_partner/ | Source: Salon
[06:54]	TR Bot	alert: Portions of the Arctic are warming much faster than we thought | Salon.com
[06:54]	matey	but when hes right hes right
[06:55]	TR News	"This post deals with the claim that the challies.com article represents a genuinely Christian outlook on Bitcoin and blockchain." https://lukeplant.me.uk/blog/posts/the-christian-case-against-bitcoin-and-blockchain/ |
[06:55]	TR Bot	Christian case against Bitcoin and blockchain - lukeplant.me.uk
[06:55]	TR News	"Now we learn that Meta has been investigating Sandbag for possible misuse of company resources." https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/sheryl-sandberg-leaving-meta-lean-in-feminism/661291/ | Source: The Atlantic
[06:55]	TR Bot	 Sheryl Sandberg and the Crackling Hellfire of Corporate America - The Atlantic
[06:56]	matey	and according to the internet, mike nelson is also like a cracked out mike nelson
[06:56]	matey	which i suppose in fairness to nostalgia critic, is not an intended parallel (as far as i know)
[06:57]	matey	my mistake was thinking nelson is just a scifi host, but i guess its worse than that
[06:57]	matey	\_()_/ 
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[06:59]	TR News	Building a Retro GNU/Linux Gaming Computer https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/building-a-retro-linux-gaming-computer-part-17-the-llama-master/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[06:59]	TR Bot	a Retro Linux Gaming Computer - Part 17: The Llama Master | GamingOnLinux
[06:59]	TR News	"Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved on Steam Deck, a classic from back in the Xbox 360 days has a version on Steam and it works so beautifully on the Steam Deck." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/geometry-wars-retro-evolved-on-steam-deck-is-absolutely-awesome/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[06:59]	TR Bot	Wars: Retro Evolved on Steam Deck is absolutely awesome | GamingOnLinux
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[07:01]	TR News	Saying "Linux" instead of GNU/Linux" is technically, factually, legally false. Unless you mean just the kernel. Merely following the herd and excusing oneself because "everyone else does it" isn't a statement of merit. Quite the opposite. It means social blending was raised about simple facts.
[07:02]	TR News	"Another update to the free and open source app ProtonUp-Qt giving you a proper user interface for downloading GE-Proton, Luxtorpeda, Wine-GE and others for Steam Deck and GNU/Linux." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/proton-and-wine-updater-protonup-qt-now-shows-anti-cheat-status/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[07:02]	TR Bot	and Wine updater ProtonUp-Qt now shows anti-cheat status | GamingOnLinux
[07:02]	TR News	OpenNox: "Westwood Studios made quite a lot of games like Dune II and the Command & Conquer series but they also made an RPG called Nox, that now lives on with the OpenNox game engine" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/westwood-classic-rpg-nox-lives-on-with-the-opennox-game-engine/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[07:02]	TR Bot	classic RPG 'Nox' lives on with the OpenNox game engine | GamingOnLinux
[07:03]	TR News	Microsoft chucks GNOME $10,000 for "political capture" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166130#comment-34077
[07:03]	TR Bot	 OSI and GNOME (and Microsoft Bribes) | Tux Machines
[07:05]	TR News	Corporates/corporations NEVER give money for free. They cannot. They'd get sued by shareholders. Re GNOME: http://techrights.org/wiki/GNOME_Foundation
[07:05]	TR Bot	 GNOME Foundation - Techrights
[07:05]	TR News	"Heroes of Might and Magic II game engine reimplementation, fheroes2, has another great new release out continuing to be the absolute best way to play this classic on modern platforms." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/heroes-of-might-and-magic-ii-reimplementation-gets-big-audio-improvements-and-ai-speedup/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[07:05]	TR Bot	of Might and Magic II reimplementation gets big audio improvements and AI speedup | GamingOnLinux
[07:05]	TR News	"Initially an Epic Store exclusive, you can now play The Cycle: Frontier free on Steam and thanks to Proton on Steam Deck and GNU/Linux desktops." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/the-cycle-frontier-works-nicely-on-steam-deck-and-linux-desktops/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[07:05]	TR Bot	Cycle: Frontier works nicely on Steam Deck and Linux desktops | GamingOnLinux
[07:06]	TR News	"After a brief stint at number 2 thanks to the popularity of V Rising, the Steam Deck has moved firmly back into place at number 1 on the top sellers list." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/steam-deck-back-to-being-the-global-top-seller-by-revenue-on-steam/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[07:06]	TR Bot	Deck back to being the global top seller (by revenue) on Steam | GamingOnLinux
[07:06]	TR News	"voluntary departure or in the context of the current layoffs we see" https://opensourcesecurity.io/2022/06/19/episode-328-the-security-of-jobs-or-job-security/
[07:06]	TR Bot	 Episode 328 The Security of Jobs or Job Security Open Source Security
[07:07]	TR News	"This tutorial will explain with examples how to draw charts with LibreOffice Calc. You will need some data prepared beforehand." https://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2022/06/libreoffice-calc-create-charts.html | Source: Ubuntubuzz
[07:07]	TR Bot	 LibreOffice Calc: Create Charts
[07:07]	TR News	"When you need to create a table quickly, for whatever numeric data in it, you can always use RANDBETWEEN formula in LibreOffice Calc." https://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2022/06/libreoffice-calc-create-random-data.html | Source: Ubuntubuzz
[07:07]	TR Bot	 LibreOffice Calc: Create Random Data
[07:08]	TR News	"JasperReports is a Java class library" https://www.rosehosting.com/blog/how-to-install-jasperreports-on-ubuntu-20-04/ | Source: RoseHosting
[07:08]	TR Bot	to Install JasperReports on Ubuntu 20.04 - RoseHosting
[07:08]	TR News	"A while ago, we reviewed "Taskwarrior", a command line task manager to manage your to-do tasks right from the Terminal window." https://ostechnix.com/please-command-line-todo-manager/ | Source: OSTechNix
[07:08]	TR Bot	- A Simple Command Line Todo Manager - OSTechNix
[07:09]	TR News	"According to the company, the Dual-Port Logging Shield was designed for easy data transmission using any standard Arduino SD library." https://linuxgizmos.com/sparkfun-unveils-microsd-data-logging-shield-with-spi-and-usb-c-interfaces/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
[07:09]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/sparkfun-unveils-microsd-data-logging-shield-with-spi-and-usb-c-interfaces/ )
[07:09]	TR News	Baack doors on chip https://linuxgizmos.com/aaeon-presents-new-com-express-modules-at-embedded-world-2022/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
[07:09]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/aaeon-presents-new-com-express-modules-at-embedded-world-2022/ )
[07:10]	TR News	"Hello Linux geeks, welcome to the guide on how install Docker on Fedora 36 step by step. This guide also be applicable to previous versions of Fedora 35/34." https://www.linuxbuzz.com/install-docker-on-fedora-step-by-step/ | Source: Linux Buzz
[07:10]	TR Bot	 How to Install Docker on Fedora 36 Step by Step
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[07:12]	TR News	I visited a friend who is watching Breaking Bad. Now clips appear on my YouTube? | Hacker News https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31800791 Source: news
[07:12]	TR Bot	 I visited a friend who is watching Breaking Bad. Now clips appear on my YouTube? | Hacker News
[07:15]	TR News	'The F-150 Lightning starts at about $40,000, but that's for the base model, and prices quickly climb with traditional pickup truck features. Schmidt paid about a hundred grand for his.' https://text.npr.org/1104920656
[07:15]	TR Bot	 He's the first buyer of the electric F-150. Why he's the future of the car industry
[07:16]	TR News	IDG is crap. It is promoting a false dichotomy of NSA spyware only. GNU/Linux not there, not "proper"... https://www.pcworld.com/article/402141/chromebooks-versus-windows-laptops-which-should-you-buy.html
[07:16]	TR Bot	vs. laptop: Buying advice and recommendations | PCWorld
[07:16]	TR News	A happy solstice
[07:16]	TR News	Games: Building a Retro GNU/Linux Gaming Computer, Steam News, and Moving to GPL Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166276
[07:16]	TR Bot	 Games: Building a Retro GNU/Linux Gaming Computer, Steam News, and Moving to GPL | Tux Machines
[07:17]	TR News	Julian Assange's Extradition to the US Approved by UK Home Secretary - SoylentNews https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/06/19/1429235 Source: soylentnews
[07:17]	TR Bot	 Julian Assange's Extradition to the US Approved by UK Home Secretary - SoylentNews
[07:18]	TR News	Pandemic brings out the worst in people and only corporations that choose to kill millions for the sake of patents https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2022/06/19/asian-americans-firearms-purchases-racism-covid-pandemic/7530782001/
[07:18]	TR Bot	 The Detroit News
[07:19]	TR News	"The makers of the film "Hellboy" have scored a preliminary victory in Hawaii's federal court." https://torrentfreak.com/judge-recommends-150k-piracy-judgment-against-torrent-site-operator-220620/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[07:19]	TR Bot	Recommends $150k Piracy Judgment Against Torrent Site Operator * TorrentFreak
[07:19]	TR News	"A US court has ordered the former operators of pirate IPTV service Nitro TV to pay more than $100m in piracy damages to broadcaster DISH." https://torrentfreak.com/nitro-iptv-loses-100m-piracy-lawsuit-leaving-hollywood-studios-fuming-220620/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[07:19]	TR Bot	IPTV Loses $100m Piracy Lawsuit Leaving Hollywood Studios Fuming * TorrentFreak
[07:22]	TR News	This is for GNU/Linux https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/06/21/ingenic-t31-based-wifi-ai-camera-development-kit-promises-over-a-year-of-battery-life/
[07:22]	TR Bot	 Ingenic T31-based WiFi AI camera development kit promises over a year of battery life - CNX Software
[07:28]	TR News	"Secure Boot" is a joke. It's NOT about security. It's a misnomer. https://hackaday.com/2022/06/20/breaking-google-nest-hubs-secure-boot/ | Source: Hackaday
[07:28]	TR Bot	Google Nest Hubs Secure Boot | Hackaday
[07:28]	TR News	"There is an age-old tradition among hackers of just making it yourself." https://hackaday.com/2022/06/20/dont-mind-if-i-ski-do/ | Source: Hackaday
[07:28]	TR Bot	Mind If I Ski-Do | Hackaday
[07:30]	TR News	BGAs https://hackaday.com/2022/06/20/working-with-bgas-design-and-layout/ | Source: Hackaday
[07:30]	TR Bot	With BGAs: Design And Layout | Hackaday
[07:32]	TR News	"A new EU certificate allows drones over 25 kilograms to fly beyond visual range in civil and military airspace. But there have been crashes." https://digit.site36.net/2022/06/20/german-bundeswehr-heavy-drone-first-time-flies-in-regular-air-traffic/ | Source: Site36
[07:32]	TR Bot	 German Bundeswehr: Heavy drone first time flies in regular air traffic Security Architectures in the EU
[07:34]	TR News	"Check out this handmade sign posted to the front door of a shuttered Jimmy Johns sandwich chain shop in Missouri last week. See if you can tell from the store owners message what happened" https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/06/why-paper-receipts-are-money-at-the-drive-thru/ | Source: Krebs On Security
[07:34]	TR Bot	 Why Paper Receipts are Money at the Drive-Thru Krebs on Security
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[07:37]	TR News	"[Rostislav Persion] has for some time been interested in making small, portable EMP devices capable of interfering with nearby electronics." https://hackaday.com/2022/06/20/scrambling-pocket-calculators-made-easy-with-emp-box-v2/ | Source: Hackaday
[07:37]	TR Bot	Pocket Calculators Made Easy With EMP Box V2 | Hackaday
[07:37]	schestowitz	[05:48] <mjg59_> Y'know weirdly the extent to which I work with Microsoft is driven by what other people want to work, not by what Microsoft wants
[07:37]	schestowitz	the net effect is not helpful
[07:37]	schestowitz	there are many analogies that go here
[07:37]	schestowitz	with military examples, too
[07:38]	schestowitz	anyway, thanks for the honest chat
[07:38]	schestowitz	I don't resent you
[07:38]	schestowitz	and I think security leadership does need relevant qualification
[07:38]	schestowitz	I cannot just becomes Physician/GP without going to medical school
[07:39]	schestowitz	saying "I'm a doctor" is not sufficient, one needs to go through all the basics, which can take years, before even getting direct experience with patience
[07:39]	schestowitz	*patients
[07:39]	TR News	Arduino https://hackaday.com/2022/06/20/blinking-an-arduino-led-in-julia/ | Source: Hackaday
[07:39]	TR Bot	An Arduino LED, In Julia | Hackaday
[07:40]	mjg59_	CS degrees don't teach you security
[07:40]	TR News	"Debra Ansell of [GeekMomProjects] fame came up with a neat, 3D design that prints flat and then folds up into everyones favorite Platonic solid: a D12" https://hackaday.com/2022/06/20/wonderful-foldable-printable-dodecahedron/ | Source: Hackaday
[07:40]	TR Bot	Foldable Printable Dodecahedron | Hackaday
[07:40]	schestowitz_TR	security is not a product
[07:40]	schestowitz_TR	it's a conditionb
[07:40]	mjg59_	Security involves you understanding a bunch of things
[07:40]	schestowitz_TR	right
[07:40]	schestowitz_TR	like networking 
[07:40]	mjg59_	You need to understand the underlying hardware, you need to understand code, and you need to understand how people interact with all of these
[07:41]	schestowitz_TR	and if you star without that basis, you can get many things wrong
[07:41]	mjg59_	And CS degrees do very little to teach you the relevant aspects of any of these things
[07:41]	TR News	Antivaxxers... the real ones https://respectfulinsolence.com/2022/06/20/justin-bieber-his-ramsey-hunt-syndrome-is-not-due-to-vaccines/ | Source: Orac
[07:41]	schestowitz_TR	mjg59_: they push bad things now
[07:42]	schestowitz_TR	not limited to what you specify
[07:42]	schestowitz_TR	today's CSD syllabus is training 
[07:42]	schestowitz_TR	not teaching
[07:42]	schestowitz_TR	it was already getting worse when I did it
[07:42]	schestowitz_TR	like one course that taught some spreadsheetss
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[07:43]	schestowitz_TR	macros..
[07:43]	schestowitz_TR	and now we have browsers that execute random code from the web
[07:43]	schestowitz_TR	and are far too bloated
[07:43]	mjg59_	When I teach OS security I focus on the need to understand you can't build a secure environment on an inscure base
[07:44]	mjg59_	But also that you can't demand that users behave perfectly in order to preserve security
[07:44]	schestowitz_TR	like western chips?
[07:44]	schestowitz_TR	you cannot say that in redbrick unis
[07:44]	mjg59_	Awfully bold of you to assume western chips are more secure than any other chips
[07:44]	schestowitz_TR	mention back doors and you are in "crank" territory
[07:44]	schestowitz_TR	even when evidence exists
[07:45]	schestowitz_TR	these institutions reward to relay lies
[07:45]	schestowitz_TR	and western fake security
[07:45]	mjg59_	At some point the decision isn't "Is this perfectly secure", it's "If this isn't secure, will it be used against me"
[07:45]	schestowitz_TR	the idea of "just enough"... "almost security"
[07:45]	schestowitz_TR	do they give courses on NSA spying programs?
[07:45]	schestowitz_TR	they are NOT interested in real seuciryt
[07:45]	mjg59_	I do cover NSA-related attacks!
[07:45]	schestowitz_TR	the US government actively CURTAILS encryption
[07:46]	mjg59_	I'm a little constrained in that respect because some of my students have security clearances and the US has awkward regulations here
[07:46]	schestowitz_TR	http://techrights.org/2021/11/29/teaching-cybersecurity/
[07:46]	TR Bot	 Dr. Andy Farnell on Teaching Cybersecurity in an Age of Fake Security | Techrights
[07:46]	schestowitz_TR	<mjg59_> I'm a little constrained in that respect because some of my students have security clearances and the US has awkward regulations here
[07:46]	schestowitz_TR	see?
[07:46]	mjg59_	Yeah I live in a society
[07:46]	schestowitz_TR	iow, they actively would work to UNDERMINE security
[07:47]	schestowitz_TR	and that's part of the problem
[07:47]	schestowitz_TR	like the person whoo says, I didn't know this bomb would be used there... and like this
[07:47]	mjg59_	That's not what I said?
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[07:47]	schestowitz_TR	or... I was working for my boss... didn't realise it would help Microsoft
[07:47]	schestowitz_TR	mjg59_> Yeah I live in a society
[07:47]	mjg59_	Anyone with a security clearance who sees something that was classified without having clearance to do so has to report it
[07:47]	schestowitz_TR	be a bit bold
[07:47]	schestowitz_TR	try to correct it
[07:47]	schestowitz_TR	from the inside, too, it is possible
[07:47]	mjg59_	So I can talk about what happened, but can't point them at primary sources
[07:48]	schestowitz_TR	"security" as taught today is not security
[07:48]	schestowitz_TR	it's marketing of worthless proprietary crap
[07:48]	mjg59_	Because otherwise they'd need to report themselves to the government
[07:48]	mjg59_	And that's kind of a pain
[07:48]	mjg59_	(I'd be fine)
[07:48]	schestowitz_TR	so "defence" industry messes up seucierty education
[07:48]	mjg59_	So I have to point at secondary sources instead
[07:48]	schestowitz_TR	that's what's happening
[07:49]	mjg59_	Eh at this point it doesn't matter much
[07:49]	TR News	BPA https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/06/20/decades-of-research-document-the-detrimental-health-effects-of-bpa/ | Source: Counter Punch
[07:49]	TR Bot	( status 500 @ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/06/20/decades-of-research-document-the-detrimental-health-effects-of-bpa/ )
[07:49]	mjg59_	The Snowden stuff is too old to be terribly interesting now
[07:49]	mjg59_	It's really not state of the art
[07:49]	mjg59_	And the Vault 7 CIA stuff is just worthless
[07:50]	schestowitz_TR	<mjg59_> The Snowden stuff is too old to be terribly interesting now
[07:50]	mjg59_	They're about a decade behind the NSA in terms of interesting work
[07:50]	schestowitz_TR	false
[07:50]	schestowitz_TR	I complained about thsi repeatedly
[07:50]	schestowitz_TR	thhhe "too old" line
[07:50]	mjg59_	Look
[07:50]	schestowitz_TR	same for Microsoft crimes
[07:50]	schestowitz_TR	they STILL happen to this date
[07:50]	mjg59_	The relevant thing is "The NSA do this sort of thing"
[07:50]	mjg59_	Not the specific details
[07:50]	schestowitz_TR	the difference is, the government got invaded and quit caring
[07:50]	mjg59_	And that can be communicated without referring to the original leaks
[07:50]	schestowitz_TR	https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/25/22995144/microsoft-foreign-corrupt-practices-bribery-whistleblower-contracting
[07:50]	TR Bot	 Microsoft is tied to hundreds of millions of dollars in foreign bribes, whistleblower alleges - The Verge
[07:51]	schestowitz_TR	nobody was punished!
[07:51]	schestowitz_TR	<mjg59_> Not the specific details
[07:51]	schestowitz_TR	some students were teen when it came out
[07:51]	schestowitz_TR	you need to teach them the full story
[07:51]	schestowitz_TR	inc. how the NSA took down the Syrian Internet
[07:51]	schestowitz_TR	and invaded networks of Huawei
[07:51]	schestowitz_TR	to avoid p[articipating in Western propaganbda
[07:51]	schestowitz_TR	the goal should be to teach
[07:51]	schestowitz_TR	not indoctrinate
[07:52]	schestowitz_TR	or omit vital facts
[07:52]	schestowitz_TR	I learned this on my own almost 20 years ago
[07:52]	mjg59_	I need to teach them that the NSA (along with other high-level actors) are in a position to intercept hardware while it's shipping, to tap fibre in data centres, to exploit vulnerabilities they don't disclose to vendors
[07:52]	schestowitz_TR	by speaking to people
[07:52]	mjg59_	Teaching them about decade old examples doesn't help there
[07:52]	schestowitz_TR	they are not decade old
[07:52]	schestowitz_TR	they STILL go on
[07:52]	schestowitz_TR	and even worse things are done now
[07:53]	schestowitz_TR	we just don't have the latestr internal docs
[07:53]	mjg59_	Snowden's leak was almost10 years ago
[07:53]	schestowitz_TR	PRISM never got sccuttled
[07:53]	mjg59_	So
[07:53]	schestowitz_TR	now they have more aggressive programmes
[07:53]	mjg59_	The point isn't to talk about the specifics of any of those
[07:53]	mjg59_	Because they're old
[07:53]	schestowitz_TR	age does not invalidate facts
[07:53]	schestowitz_TR	they're not old
[07:53]	mjg59_	The point is to talk about the type of attack that you still have to care about
[07:53]	schestowitz_TR	they are CURRENT
[07:53]	schestowitz_TR	even the binney stuff
[07:53]	schestowitz_TR	his figures are out of data as it got a LOT worse since
[07:54]	schestowitz_TR	and you worked for that
[07:54]	schestowitz_TR	in a contractor
[07:54]	schestowitz_TR	called Google Inc.
[07:54]	mjg59_	You seem to be strongly arguing against something I'm not saying
[07:54]	schestowitz_TR	Not Alphabet Agency
[07:54]	schestowitz_TR	no, the point is,
[07:54]	schestowitz_TR	be honest to them
[07:54]	schestowitz_TR	youi know the snowden leaks
[07:54]	schestowitz_TR	but you play "safe"
[07:54]	schestowitz_TR	with non-solutions
[07:54]	mjg59_	Being honest includes "Actors like the NSA do this kind of thing"
[07:54]	schestowitz_TR	too much of the time
[07:54]	schestowitz_TR	and iirc, you were gullible enough to put those 'smart" things in your home
[07:55]	schestowitz_TR	what message does that send?
[07:55]	mjg59_	Pointing at documents where, legally, they'd have to immediately leave the class is not helpful
[07:55]	schestowitz_TR	they should be legal to show
[07:55]	mjg59_	They should!
[07:55]	schestowitz_TR	maybe not in that university
[07:55]	mjg59_	And, in fact, they are!
[07:55]	schestowitz_TR	nationalism is not education
[07:55]	mjg59_	But a condition of having a security clearance is informing your superiors if you see something you don't have clearance to see
[07:55]	schestowitz_TR	Thwe british did the same to the irish for that matter
[07:55]	mjg59_	It's fucked up, but here we are
[07:56]	mjg59_	Yeah kind of familiar with that one
[07:56]	schestowitz_TR	don't want to say nationalism to someone to whom it is not applicable
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[07:56]	schestowitz_TR	mjg59_: SO  HELP US CORRECT IT
[07:56]	schestowitz_TR	sorry
[07:56]	schestowitz_TR	all caps bby accident
[07:56]	mjg59_	Ok
[07:56]	mjg59_	I have two options
[07:56]	mjg59_	1) Show primary Snowden docs. A bunch of my students have to leave, and learn nothing
[07:57]	mjg59_	2) Discuss the classes of attack, giving examples of how these could theoretically apply to current tech rather than stuff from 10 years ago. No students have to leave, they all learn something
[07:57]	TR News	WTO killing millions with patents https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/06/20/the-global-south-in-the-wto-time-to-go-on-the-offensive/ | Source: Counter Punch
[07:57]	schestowitz_TR	you do not evcen need to show the raw document
[07:57]	schestowitz_TR	just be honest
[07:57]	schestowitz_TR	but I realise this puts jobs at risk
[07:57]	schestowitz_TR	I confront people at work about it all the time
[07:57]	mjg59_	Yeah uh that's exactly what I was saying?
[07:57]	schestowitz_TR	the facts are on my side
[07:57]	TR Bot	( status 522 @ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/06/20/the-global-south-in-the-wto-time-to-go-on-the-offensive/ )
[07:57]	schestowitz_TR	the issue is, they are not properly informed
[07:58]	schestowitz_TR	so some of that is new to themn
[07:58]	mjg59_	I can discuss it and link to secondary sources
[07:58]	mjg59_	I can't show the primary sources
[07:58]	schestowitz_TR	we need to raise informed ciitzens
[07:58]	schestowitz_TR	but the regime does NOT want that
[07:58]	mjg59_	Which is exactly what you just suggested
[07:58]	schestowitz_TR	but it's risky
[07:58]	schestowitz_TR	it always was
[07:58]	schestowitz_TR	that's what mnakes an activist
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[08:00]	TR News	Equality https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/06/20/can-we-ever-retire-to-greater-equality/ | Source: Counter Punch
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[08:01]	TR News	SCOTUS: political hacks' tribunal https://www.thenation.com/article/society/supreme-court-dangerous/ | Source: The Nation
[08:01]	TR Bot	 The Problem of the Supreme Court | The Nation
[08:03]	TR News	Mlenchon https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/06/20/neoliberal-macron-loses-parliamentary-majority-melenchon-led-left-surges-france | Source: Common Dreams
[08:03]	TR Bot	 Neoliberal Macron Loses Parliamentary Majority as Mlenchon-Led Left Surges in France
[08:04]	TR News	Maryland https://truthout.org/articles/workers-in-maryland-vote-to-form-first-apple-store-union-in-us/ | Source: TruthOut
[08:04]	TR Bot	 Workers in Maryland Vote to Form First Apple Store Union in US
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[08:34]	matey	schestowitz_TR   age does not invalidate facts
[08:34]	matey	thats true
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[08:34]	matey	we seriously need to do something about sputnik, before we lose the fucking space race
[08:34]	TR News	Devices/Embedded Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166278
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[08:35]	matey	ive got george washington on the line
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[08:37]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
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[08:39]	matey	if sputnik comes around again, i think we can have enough cannons at the ready
[08:40]	schestowitz_TR	:-D
[08:40]	schestowitz_TR	you can see it with a Canon
[08:40]	matey	galileo has a device we can use to track its path
[08:40]	schestowitz_TR	"a 5g"
[08:41]	matey	i was going to say a telescope, but a few grand wont hurt either
[08:41]	matey	fortunately all these facts are still of the highest relevance to the present situation
[08:42]	matey	if we always do what weve always done, we will remain victorias
[08:42]	matey	at least every victoria will 
[08:42]	matey	and maybe julie andrews
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[08:47]	matey	i also think teaching class of attack is more important than showing actual documents
[08:47]	matey	the documents have been around for ages 
[08:48]	matey	well-established journalists have literally written books about them
[08:48]	matey	teaching class of attack has both political and practical value
[08:48]	matey	showing the documents isnt going to teach most people what to do about them, so less practical
[08:49]	matey	fortunately its not an either/or question in the first place
[08:49]	matey	some people can show the documents, some people can teach the class of attack
[08:50]	matey	and others can insinuate that both jobs must fall to everyone, or the people teaching actual practical lessons around it arent doing their job
[08:50]	matey	even while failing to do the other half themselves
[08:53]	matey	i believe mjg and dr farnell both teach about this in the uk
[08:54]	matey	im going to hazard a guess that dr farnells approach is actually closer to mjgs approach (with differences of course, as is to be expected between two different people) than it is to what roy proposes
[08:54]	matey	OTOH, perhaps dr farnell already does what roy proposes, thus demonstrating that mjgs objections are unfounded or inaccurate
[08:54]	matey	but i bet he doesnt
[08:56]	matey	id be happy to critique mjgs teaching if i could find a problem with it-- i bet i wouldnt agree with what he teaches about secure boot and all that stuff
[08:56]	matey	id probably side with farnell or our other resident hardware guru on that matter
[08:57]	matey	my guess (this is only a guess) is that farnell would call it snake oil
[08:57]	matey	but maybe he would say its not entirely a bad idea
[08:57]	matey	funnily enough, i dont know anyone that thinks its an ENTIRELY bad idea
[08:57]	matey	only that the control over it goes against its usefulness or any desire someone like myself might have to
[08:58]	matey	i dont even want to buy something that gives microsoft an unfair edge, id personally rather boycott it
[08:58]	matey	but if it wasnt done in a way that clearly gives them an advantage (in practice)
[08:58]	matey	even i dont think the idea itself is useless
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[08:59]	matey	as long as microsoft controls it (even as much as they do, which isnt completely nor does it need to be) i think its snake oil
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[09:00]	matey	if i were doing devils advocate i might argue that if on average it does more good than harm... though thats not my position or my opinion, which is that its snake oil
[09:00]	matey	at least in practice
[09:04]	matey	i think roy may have missed the fact that someone who may have access implied that there are newer things we dont know about
[09:04]	matey	which is probably true by default 
[09:05]	matey	and it would be great (imo) if someone leaked those too, since so much of this stuff is being used in ways that are unconstitutional and illegal
[09:05]	matey	but whistleblowers dont come along every day
[09:05]	matey	the funny thing is, if such a whistleblower did come along
[09:05]	matey	class of attack lessons would still be useful and practical
[09:06]	matey	and then the snowden stuff really would be obsolete(ish)
[09:06]	matey	useful as part of a broader historical picture
[09:06]	matey	but being up to date on what the government is doing to its citizens really would be more interesting (most likely) than what they were doing a decade ago
[09:07]	matey	both are useful
[09:07]	matey	depending on the context
[09:07]	matey	that doesnt render the word "obsolete" into nonsense
[09:07]	matey	if you send the monitor and the merrimack up against a navy destroyer
[09:08]	matey	i can tell you which one is obsolete
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[09:09]	matey	if the person commanding the navy destroyer manages to lose in that battle, thats incredible
[09:09]	matey	in the future there will be many battles where people with lower-grade weapons are up against higher tech 
[09:10]	matey	they might win
[09:10]	matey	sometimes
[09:11]	matey	but even then, they would probably rather have proper guns than muskets, even if they would use muskets if its all they had
[09:11]	TR News	Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166282
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[09:11]	matey	outside of marketing, "obsolete" actually means something
[09:11]	schestowitz_TR	'I am a soldier, I fight where I am told, and I win where I fight.
[09:11]	schestowitz_TR	George Patton
[09:11]	matey	okay
[09:12]	matey	you send george patton in, and good luck to him
[09:12]	matey	i saw norman schwarzkopf once
[09:12]	matey	on the national mall
[09:12]	schestowitz_TR	"In my role as Wikileaks editor, I've been involved in fighting off many legal attacks. To do that, and keep our sources safe, we have had to spread assets, encrypt everything, and move telecommunications and people around the world to activate protective laws in different national jurisdictions."
[09:12]	schestowitz_TR	Julian Assange
[09:12]	matey	my guess is he wouldnt win much these days
[09:13]	schestowitz_TR	of course they stole his laptops and other devices while he was unprepared
[09:13]	schestowitz_TR	he had handcuffs in there
[09:13]	schestowitz_TR	didn't get a chance to use these
[09:13]	schestowitz_TR	he had been set up by the embassy    staff
[09:13]	matey	if it were up to me, what has happened to assange would not happen to anyone ever
[09:14]	schestowitz_TR	https://quotepark.com/quotes/1930455-richard-stallman-i-always-expect-to-lose-i-fight-anyway-and-somet/
[09:14]	TR Bot	 Richard Stallman quote: I always expect to lose. I fight anyway, and sometimes | Quotes of famous people
[09:14]	matey	the thing between mjg and assange is personal
[09:14]	matey	you wont understand it with quotes that dont address that
[09:14]	schestowitz_TR	mentioned EFF
[09:14]	schestowitz_TR	when it was more functional
[09:14]	schestowitz_TR	"Context: I am a pessimist by nature. Many people can only keep on fighting when they expect to win. I'm not like that, I always expect to lose. I fight anyway, and sometimes I win. I'm not the main leader in this particular battle. The Electronic Frontier Foundation is fighting. Public Knowledge is fighting. People need to get involved politically. At this point people should go to the EFF website and the Public Knowledge website, 
[09:14]	schestowitz_TR	and continue doing so over the coming weeks to see how they can get involved in this coming campaign. It's going to take a lot of people spending probably at least twenty minutes. If you care enough about your freedom to spend twenty minutes on it, if you can tear yourself away from whatever little job it is you're doing this week, and next week, and so on. Spend a little time fighting for your freedom, and we can win.
[09:14]	schestowitz_TR	Source: https://quotepark.com/quotes/1930455-richard-stallman-i-always-expect-to-lose-i-fight-anyway-and-somet/"
[09:15]	matey	richard-stallman-i-always-expect-to-lose-i-fight-anyway <- this is one of my favourite stallman quotes
[09:15]	matey	stallman was set up by the eff
[09:17]	schestowitz_TR	no
[09:17]	matey	balls
[09:17]	schestowitz_TR	eff did not set him up
[09:17]	schestowitz_TR	eff was set up
[09:17]	schestowitz_TR	by some people who changed it from within
[09:17]	schestowitz_TR	to become a permissive and lenient arm
[09:18]	schestowitz_TR	rather than what it originallly was
[09:18]	schestowitz_TR	EFF did not attack RMS before Barlow died
[09:18]	matey	by some people who changed it from within <- so 
[09:18]	matey	that doesnt negate what i said
[09:18]	schestowitz_TR	depends on on what "EFF" means
[09:18]	schestowitz_TR	the founders are not there
[09:18]	matey	i agree with that
[09:18]	schestowitz_TR	it's like Mozilla now
[09:18]	schestowitz_TR	or LF
[09:18]	schestowitz_TR	LF is a bit different
[09:18]	matey	but that was my point
[09:18]	schestowitz_TR	in LF it's the corporations
[09:18]	matey	yours seems to be that the eff changed and therefore was not the eff
[09:19]	matey	therefore the eff didnt setup stallman
[09:19]	schestowitz_TR	In Mozilla and EFF politician factions
[09:19]	schestowitz_TR	beholden to the corporations
[09:19]	schestowitz_TR	yes
[09:19]	schestowitz_TR	eff
[09:19]	matey	in a way i agree with that too, but it hardly negates what i said in the first place
[09:19]	schestowitz_TR	is a namme
[09:19]	schestowitz_TR	like SPLC
[09:19]	schestowitz_TR	that name can be misleading
[09:19]	schestowitz_TR	before there were "Events"
[09:19]	matey	yes, eff has "freedom" in the name
[09:20]	schestowitz_TR	FSF also hasd quite a few disloyal insiders
[09:20]	schestowitz_TR	they were not disloyal to RMS
[09:20]	matey	it should be called the treacherous bullshit foundation  instead
[09:20]	schestowitz_TR	but to the mission
[09:20]	matey	they were not disloyal to RMS <- but to the mission <- well this is different
[09:20]	schestowitz_TR	RMS just 'happens' to adhere to the mission
[09:20]	schestowitz_TR	afetr all, he founded the darn thing!
[09:20]	matey	he certainly did
[09:20]	schestowitz_TR	http://techrights.org/2021/04/15/richard-stallman-freedom-is-the-goal/
[09:20]	TR Bot	 Richard Stallman: Freedom is the Goal (Updated) | Techrights
[09:21]	matey	incidentally its not impossible for a founder to betray the mission. i dont think thats the right word to describe what stallman did
[09:21]	schestowitz_TR	"http://techrights.org/2021/04/15/richard-stallman-freedom-is-the-goal/"
[09:21]	schestowitz_TR	"or cords tied around part of you. So, how are we going to get all the way there? Were going to have to make continuing efforts. And why would people do that? Only if they value freedom. If you want to reach a goal that requires a long journey the crucial point is to remember the goal. If you forget the goal, you wont get there.
[09:21]	schestowitz_TR	"
[09:21]	matey	i think he abandoned the mission, he didnt betray it
[09:21]	matey	i also think he was PUSHED
[09:21]	schestowitz_TR	now the goal is not what it was
[09:21]	schestowitz_TR	even RMS made some concessions
[09:21]	schestowitz_TR	on a number of key things
[09:21]	matey	everyone makes concessions, its a matter of the nature and justification
[09:21]	schestowitz_TR	to the point where some other groups seem more pro-SF than the FSF
[09:21]	matey	past a point there is no justification
[09:22]	matey	but there are always SOME concesssions
[09:22]	matey	there are no perfect people or perfect orgs
[09:22]	matey	this was true even when the fsf did its job
[09:22]	matey	it doesnt anymore
[09:22]	matey	to the point where some other groups seem more pro-SF than the FSF <- far too few imo
[09:22]		*schestowitz_TR checks current fsf patron
[09:22]	schestowitz_TR	actually
[09:22]	matey	i think this goes beyond funding
[09:22]	schestowitz_TR	let me check dictionary
[09:23]	schestowitz_TR	OK  wait
[09:23]	matey	i am waiting
[09:23]	schestowitz_TR	so patron CAN be a slave owner
[09:24]	matey	haha
[09:24]	schestowitz_TR	191\3 Webster
[09:24]	matey	maybe "patron" is the real thing ibm left over
[09:24]	schestowitz_TR	FSF: we have a slaveowners page
[09:24]	schestowitz_TR	we are slaves to them
[09:24]	matey	look up "custom" 
[09:24]	matey	its part of ICE
[09:24]	schestowitz_TR	but it would be provocative to state this
[09:25]	matey	 but it would be provocative to state this <- im sure that doesnt bother you
[09:29]	matey	<schestowitz_TR> even RMS made some concessions <- he had the right idea about this too https://www.fsf.org/news/compromise
[09:29]	TR Bot	 "Avoiding Ruinous Compromises" by Richard Stallman Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
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[09:30]	matey	 "Avoiding Ruinous Compromises" by Richard Stallman
[09:30]	matey	unfortunately, the fsf made a number of ruinous compromises
[09:30]	matey	the point of the article is very clear: not all compromises are ruinous, and the ruinous ones are the most important to avoid
[09:30]	matey	but they failed to do that
[09:30]	matey	so the article, while absolutely valid, is sort of moot now
[09:31]	matey	at least for them
[09:31]	matey	the fsf is ruined
[09:31]	matey	it is in ruins
[09:32]	matey	it has lost credibility, momentum, direction
[09:32]	matey	what amount of funding could give that back?
[09:32]	matey	what amount of marketing?
[09:32]	matey	and most importantly
[09:32]	matey	what amount of SWAG!
[09:33]	matey	"weve covered mt fuji with fsf water bottles to bring the world this important message:"
[09:33]	matey	"software freedom is important to users! so please sign up at microsoft github, thank you"
[09:35]	matey	as someone who was not only an fsf member
[09:35]	matey	but who purchased and wore a fair bit of "swag" 
[09:35]	matey	i have some "creative" ideas on what they can do with those water bottles
[09:36]	schestowitz_TR	http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/patrons-not-criticised/
[09:36]	TR Bot	 Companies That Cannot be Criticised | Techrights
[09:36]	schestowitz_TR	matey: I want your comment on this ^^
[09:36]	schestowitz_TR	it's s ddraft
[09:38]	matey	no promises
[09:38]	matey	ill read it
[09:38]	schestowitz_TR	I was busy picking the bits for it
[09:38]	schestowitz_TR	hence was inactive in irc
[09:38]	schestowitz_TR	at least social control media is no longer a "thing"
[09:39]	matey	ok heres my comment
[09:39]	matey	"the fsf has fallen for this, hook, line and sinker"
[09:39]	matey	(you dont have to use it)
[09:39]	schestowitz_TR	I can do
[09:39]	schestowitz_TR	what name to use?
[09:39]	matey	whatever pleases you. i cant actually stop you from quoting me.
[09:40]	schestowitz_TR	okk, anon'ed
[09:40]	schestowitz_TR	done
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[09:42]	schestowitz_TR	XRevan86: can you confirm Rusian media says Windows is banned for download?
[09:42]	schestowitz_TR	from Russian IPs?
[09:42]	schestowitz_TR	all the "latest" versions
[09:43]	matey	isnt that legally required anyway?
[09:43]	schestowitz_TR	I saw British sites relying on Russian language sources
[09:43]	matey	i mean arent there sanctions?
[09:43]	schestowitz_TR	this iis very significant if as true as reported in English
[09:43]	schestowitz_TR	matey: not until now
[09:43]	matey	then why was the fsf complying like a month ago?
[09:43]	schestowitz_TR	I've long wonderred when the Pentagon will figure out Windows back doors in Russia aren't worth it
[09:44]	schestowitz_TR	aand they would seek to disrupt Russia by cutting off the Windows "supply"
[09:44]	matey	especially when the nsa can do better backdoors in non-windows stuff than windows can
[09:44]	schestowitz_TR	fsf shuld move to canada is something
[09:44]	schestowitz_TR	don't think canada is that extreme
[09:44]	schestowitz_TR	re "export" of enxryption"
[09:44]		*schestowitz_TR checks distancefrom boston to toronto
[09:45]	matey	the problem with the fsf moving to canada, while i love the idea
[09:45]	matey	is they would become a different entity
[09:45]	matey	under different rules
[09:45]	matey	with the fsf name/brand
[09:45]	schestowitz_TR	Manchester is very near to Montreal
[09:45]	schestowitz_TR	even Ottawa isn't far
[09:45]	matey	i really think the physical distance is the least of the matter
[09:46]	matey	rhetorically its hilarious, but practically speaking id say its a non-starter
[09:46]	schestowitz_TR	like 200 miles a way
[09:46]	schestowitz_TR	a few hours on the road, depending if it's a "highway" (motorway)
[09:46]	matey	if they had done so 35 years ago, in hindsight, its not such a bad idea
[09:46]	schestowitz_TR	1.5 hours on autobahn 
[09:46]	schestowitz_TR	openbsd iss based there
[09:46]	matey	if they move george washington to canada, hes still very dead
[09:46]	schestowitz_TR	why not fsf?
[09:46]	matey	 openbsd iss based there <- thats one of the things that would make it hilarious
[09:47]	matey	i dont think the de raadt deserves to be bothered that way
[09:47]	matey	but that old rivalry is just ridiculous enough that id be mildly amused
[09:47]	matey	also he can take care of himself
[09:47]	matey	which is more than i can say for the fsf
[09:48]	matey	there are actual benefits for the fsf being based in canada
[09:48]	matey	this is definitely a "too little, too late" idea, but in fairness, what wouldnt be
[09:48]	schestowitz_TR	https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=9/46.2435/-73.1744
[09:48]	TR Bot	 OpenStreetMap
[09:49]	matey	yes its a wonder how close the northern usa is to southern canada
[09:49]	schestowitz_TR	one strong statement for freedom would be fsf saying goodbe to trumpland
[09:49]	schestowitz_TR	voting with the feet
[09:49]	matey	when you consider they share the usa/canadian border
[09:50]	matey	now heres a question
[09:50]	matey	with all my scathing critiques of them
[09:50]	matey	do i really think everyone at the fsf deserves to be put through all the fun of crossing that border?
[09:51]	matey	my guess is they would not be harassed too much as a group, so sure
[09:51]	TR News	The world changes fast. With countries like Poland, Norway, Canada, Taiwan and Turkey increasingly moving to GNU/Linux self-determination is improved. GNU/Linux is at ~5% market share this month, if one counts ChromeOS, globally http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/banning-windows/
[09:51]	TR Bot	 [Meme] Finally, at Long Last, Microsoft Helps GNU/Linux! | Techrights
[09:51]	TR News	Patronisation remains a rather problematic phenomenon in the age of corporate capture a la Linux Foundation http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/patrons-not-criticised/
[09:51]	TR Bot	 Companies That Cannot be Criticised | Techrights
[09:52]	matey	also i think its worse on the way back
[09:53]	matey	if they stay in canada its moot
[09:53]	TR News	"First of all, we must admit that DoG doesn't sound like a super bad idea (and it's a much better acronym) compared to DoH, and I'm not saying this only because I'm a Puppy Linux developer..." gemini://gemini.dimakrasner.com/dns-over-gemini.gmi
[09:53]	matey	bonus: they get into an even more heated dispute with fsf europe, for having the same initials
[09:53]	matey	"fsf, eh?"
[09:54]	matey	they would probably fsfc, or just (being the original, SORT OF) fsf
[09:54]	TR News	SpellBinding: CSHIOPE Wordo: RUNIC gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-06-20.gmi
[09:55]	matey	/me tries to think if stallman would be happier in mexico
[09:55]	schestowitz_TR	fsfe does not seem very active lately
[09:55]	schestowitz_TR	they perish ands struggle
[09:55]	schestowitz_TR	they lost a lot of respect among those whom trhey needed
[09:55]	matey	he might be taken hostage by cartels, but he should be used to that by now
[09:55]	schestowitz_TR	and now they try to remove my twitter account
[09:55]	schestowitz_TR	http://techrights.org/2021/12/22/fsfe-censorship/
[09:55]	TR Bot	 FSFE Misuses FSFE Budget to Issue Frivolous Takedown Requests Against Critics | Techrights
[09:55]	schestowitz_TR	support fsfe
[09:56]	schestowitz_TR	give them money
[09:56]	schestowitz_TR	so they can get busy
[09:56]	matey	they lost a lot of respect <- what an absolute and terrible shame
[09:56]	schestowitz_TR	trying to derail crtics
[09:56]	matey	i understand hitler killed himself
[09:56]	matey	i say its never the ones who should, but the fact is
[09:56]	matey	its ALMOST never the ones that should
[09:56]	matey	occasionally we get lucky
[09:56]	schestowitz_TR	matey: maybe sometimes told him "you're part jew"
[09:57]	matey	and then its never soon enough :/
[09:57]	schestowitz_TR	*someone
[09:57]	matey	yeah i keep hearing that one
[09:57]	matey	but ive never found anything conclusive about it
[09:57]	matey	ive heard it many times
[09:57]	schestowitz_TR	no, something about a grandpa
[09:57]	schestowitz_TR	anyway, it's not an ethnicity
[09:57]	matey	indeed
[09:57]	schestowitz_TR	so you can find routes connecting anyone to anything
[09:58]	matey	but even if its not, its a pretty staggering hypocrisy
[09:58]	schestowitz_TR	https://www.statnews.com/2017/08/16/white-nationalists-genetic-ancestry-test/
[09:58]	TR Bot	 White nationalists flock to genetic ancestry tests. Some don't like the result
[09:58]	schestowitz_TR	https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/white-supremacists-respond-genetics-say-theyre-not-white
[09:58]	TR Bot	 How white supremacists respond when their DNA says theyre not white | PBS NewsHour
[09:59]	matey	rofl
[09:59]	matey	oh 21st century, you really are the craziest one yet
● Jun 21
[10:00]	matey	it even started off nuts
[10:00]	matey	and hasnt backed down
[10:00]	matey	eggshell supremacists
[10:00]	TR News	Linux Around The World: Mexico http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165929#comment-34078
[10:00]	TR Bot	 GNU/Linux: Arch Linux, "Linux" Around The World, and Linux Format 290 | Tux Machines
[10:01]	schestowitz_TR	they are not white
[10:01]	matey	theyre genetically offwhite
[10:01]	matey	but its funny because i mean
[10:02]	schestowitz_TR	unltil they lack some chromosomes
[10:02]	matey	its a mutation
[10:02]	schestowitz_TR	the "real" whites are albinos
[10:02]	matey	albino supremacists are easy to hold back though
[10:02]	matey	just put up office lighting and theyre fucked
[10:02]	schestowitz_TR	they don't SEE it that way
[10:03]	matey	the only albino i ever knew was indian
[10:03]	schestowitz_TR	(sorry, it's 2022, I cannot make such jokes)
[10:03]	matey	he looked white, really was asian
[10:03]	schestowitz_TR	even is albinos themselves find such jokes funny
[10:03]	matey	i always thought he bore an uncanny resemblance to john mccain
[10:04]	matey	no, seriously, he did
[10:04]	schestowitz_TR	thought exercise
[10:04]	schestowitz_TR	look at symbolic references to racism and slavery
[10:04]	schestowitz_TR	then connect those to LF logos
[10:04]	schestowitz_TR	I'm sure there are many 
[10:04]	schestowitz_TR	all sorts of racist smbols
[10:04]	schestowitz_TR	colours
[10:04]	schestowitz_TR	that would really pain LF
[10:04]	schestowitz_TR	having to explin itself
[10:04]	matey	i mean the windows logo swastika, no ones going to top that
[10:05]	schestowitz_TR	like it's asking the community to explain itself
[10:05]	schestowitz_TR	for using terms like "blacklist"
[10:05]	matey	i think its silly, but if the shoe fits
[10:05]	matey	ibm and microsoft make more sense when you think of them as the same company
[10:05]	schestowitz_TR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_symbolism
[10:05]	TR Bot	 Nazi symbolism - Wikipedia
[10:05]	schestowitz_TR	scroll down
[10:05]	matey	is there a window?
[10:06]	schestowitz_TR	odal for instance
[10:06]	schestowitz_TR	yes
[10:06]	schestowitz_TR	Windows 11
[10:06]	schestowitz_TR	11: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Schutzstaffel_SS.svg/110px-Schutzstaffel_SS.svg.png
[10:06]	schestowitz_TR	that in itself can be truned into a meme
[10:06]	schestowitz_TR	Windows SS
[10:07]	matey	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss_(band)
[10:07]	TR Bot	 Kiss (band) - Wikipedia
[10:07]	schestowitz_TR	they're still going
[10:07]	matey	deliberate, gene simmons is from israel
[10:07]	schestowitz_TR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation#/media/File:Linux_Foundation_logo_2013.svg
[10:07]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation - Wikipedia
[10:07]	matey	he thought he would appropriate it 
[10:08]	matey	there are a lot of things i dislike about him, but that isnt one of them, id say its fair play
[10:08]	matey	ace is ok imo
[10:09]	matey	Simmons was born as Chaim Witz
[10:10]	matey	he got that name from his father
[10:10]	matey	so technically... hes only HALF witz
[10:10]	matey	(im sure hes heard that one before)
[10:10]	matey	actually you probably have too
[10:10]	matey	but hey now you have something in common with gene simmons you probably didnt know
[10:11]	matey	both your names end in the same 4 letters
[10:12]	matey	but his also starts that way
[10:19]	matey	thank moses and shiva i didnt make fun of his mothers name, she survived the camps
[10:22]	matey	this is fun
[10:22]	matey	The Beatles had a significant influence on Simmons. "There is no way I'd be doing what I do now if it wasn't for the Beatles. I was watching The Ed Sullivan Show and I saw them. Those skinny little boys, kind of androgynous, with long hair like girls. It blew me away that these four boys [from] the middle of nowhere could make that music.
[10:22]	matey	didnt know he was that much of a beatles fan
[10:24]	matey	 :) he and paul stanley started another rock band first, but didnt like it so they tried to fire the band members
[10:24]	matey	that didnt work, so they quit the band instead
[10:24]	matey	all in all a reasonably good move for rock music
[10:25]	matey	as it led to kiss, which is hardly the worst band ever
[10:28]	matey	oh yes, now we get to why i dont think too much of him
[10:28]	matey	politically, hes a fucking idiot
[10:29]	matey	He supported the 2003 invasion of Iraq, writing on his website: "I'm ashamed to be surrounded by people calling themselves liberal who are, in my opinion, spitting on the graves of brave American soldiers who gave their life to fight a war that wasn't theirs... in a country they've never been to... simply to liberate the people therein"
[10:29]	matey	idiot.
[10:29]	matey	good bass player though
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[10:31]	matey	"Just as corporations have been involved with regulatory capture for years, effectively removing the teeth from regulators so that large businesses can do as they please, they are gobbling up young, intelligent, motivated people, and saddling them with a ton of corporate busy work"
[10:31]	matey	and corporate "ethics"
[10:32]	matey	which is like military intelligence
[10:43]		*schestowitz_TR back from the sun
[10:43]	schestowitz_TR	I have an idea for LF
[10:44]	schestowitz_TR	https://training.linuxfoundation.org/master-training-and-certification-agreement/
[10:44]	schestowitz_TR	lol
[10:44]	TR Bot	 Master Training and Certification Agreement - Linux Foundation - Training
[10:45]	schestowitz_TR	it's easier than I imaginedd
[10:47]	schestowitz_TR	https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/to-master-tech-you-must-master-software-and-open-source-even-if-youre-apple/
[10:47]	TR Bot	 To Master Tech You Must Master Software - And Open Source - Even If You're Apple - Linux Foundation
[10:47]	schestowitz_TR	ouuuuch!
[10:48]	schestowitz_TR	ity says "blacked out"
[10:48]	schestowitz_TR	racists!
[10:49]	schestowitz_TR	https://docs.linuxfoundation.org/lfx/insights/identities-and-affiliations/blacklist-an-email-address
[10:49]	schestowitz_TR	shoosh!!
[10:49]	TR Bot	 Blacklist an Email Address - Linux Foundation Documentation
[10:50]	matey	" Whenever prudery takes itself seriously, it threatens repression."
[10:50]	matey	^ rms
[10:53]	matey	A foreigner working in Dubai accused a used car seller of "ripping off" its customers, and was jailed for "insulting"
[10:54]	matey	at least one place really does it
[10:54]	matey	im sure its a very nice place
[10:54]	matey	you just walk around with a gun to your head all the time
[10:54]	matey	and everyone is ince
[10:54]	matey	nice
[10:55]	matey	A Danish woman accepted a complimentary glass of wine on an Emirates flight to Dubai. On account of this, she has been jailed there for a year awaiting trial. 
[10:55]	matey	holy shit make up your mind
[10:56]	matey	here would you like a glass of wine? YOURE UNDER ARREST!
[10:56]	matey	good thing she didnt order the chicken, they might have cut her head off
[10:57]	matey	i know at least one vegetarian figures thats fair play :)
[10:57]	schestowitz_TR	i will add in ibm logo
[10:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.66 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[10:59]	schestowitz_TR	what other companies with nazi tries are in LF?
[10:59]	schestowitz_TR	not ford
[10:59]	schestowitz_TR	not GM
[10:59]	schestowitz_TR	coke
[10:59]	schestowitz_TR	"fanta"
[10:59]	matey	"blood of jews"
● Jun 21
[11:00]	matey	if youre not a fluffy fan you wont know wtf
[11:03]	matey	"Our members are our superpower"
[11:03]	matey	pretty sure they mean bullshit
[11:04]	matey	they escaped from the destruction of their own planet, which exploded after the amount of bullshit reached critical mass
[11:05]	matey	and the light from our sun makes them super, super, super full of shit, more full of shit than a freight train carrying manure for monsanto
[11:07]	schestowitz_TR	IBM http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/1920px-Linux_Foundation_logo_2013.svg_.png
[11:07]	matey	"Join forces with the community to create a force-multiplier"
[11:08]	matey	that multiplies forces with a joiner!
[11:08]	schestowitz_TR	watson http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/1920px-Linux_Foundation_logo_2013.svg_.png
[11:08]	schestowitz_TR	wrong url
[11:08]	schestowitz_TR	http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/ibm-ww2.png
[11:08]	matey	"Forms on this site are protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.  "
[11:08]	matey	a comma would make that a lot more reasonable
[11:09]	matey	"lets eat dinner and grandpa can watch his game"
[11:14]	schestowitz_TR	where does it say that
[11:14]	schestowitz_TR	?
[11:14]	matey	if you click on members
[11:14]	matey	it says "Forms on this site are protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
[11:15]	schestowitz_TR	http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/linux-foundation-words-hypocrisy/
[11:15]	TR Bot	 Words You Cannot Say Unless You Are the Linux Foundation | Techrights
[11:15]	schestowitz_TR	have a look, mmaybe too stgrng
[11:15]	schestowitz_TR	but the nazi bit I lay on IBM
[11:15]	schestowitz_TR	more than LF
[11:16]	schestowitz_TR	that's not just factual but also widespread knowledge
[11:16]	matey	this is funny but 
[11:17]	matey	to me it really feels like going in circles
[11:17]	schestowitz_TR	there are some circles there too
[11:17]	schestowitz_TR	or "flying saucers"
[11:17]	matey	lol
[11:17]	matey	each year that ive done this
[11:18]	matey	ive gone back and reviewed things, in light of whats new
[11:18]	matey	originally i was trying to help the fsf better itself, un-miss missed opportunities
[11:18]	matey	waste of time
[11:18]	matey	then i was trying to save it from itself
[11:18]	matey	waste of time
[11:19]	schestowitz_TR	"In 2011, Microsoft became a top contributor to the Linux kernel for the first time. Times have clearly changed.  "
[11:19]	schestowitz_TR	https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/to-master-tech-you-must-master-software-and-open-source-even-if-youre-apple/
[11:19]	TR Bot	 To Master Tech You Must Master Software - And Open Source - Even If You're Apple - Linux Foundation
[11:19]	schestowitz_TR	it no longer names author
[11:19]	schestowitz_TR	but I could check wayback machine
[11:19]	matey	In 2011, Microsoft became a top contributor to the Linux kernel for the first time.
[11:19]	matey	THAT is interesting
[11:19]	schestowitz_TR	it's probably jimbo linzem
[11:19]	matey	being the SECOND thing ive learned about 2011
[11:19]	matey	which i refer to as stallmans half-resignation from the gnu project
[11:19]	schestowitz_TR	sheela was aowkring for Microsofters around that time
[11:20]	matey	but imo it looks like a coincidence (it might not be. it looks like it is)
[11:20]	matey	i hope to understand your obsession with the lf someday
[11:20]	matey	theyre not irrelevant
[11:20]	matey	i dont mean why you focus on them sometimes
[11:21]	matey	i mean why you seem so hyperfocused on them (more than anything else)
[11:21]	schestowitz_TR	jim WOKE up in bed
[11:21]	schestowitz_TR	with Microsoft
[11:21]	matey	yeah
[11:21]	matey	many have
[11:21]	schestowitz_TR	maybe you don't see how far LF goes
[11:21]	schestowitz_TR	it monopolised events
[11:21]	matey	no, i dont
[11:21]	schestowitz_TR	almost
[11:21]	matey	thats why i said
[11:21]	schestowitz_TR	and workeed to crush "competing" events
[11:21]	schestowitz_TR	I was told stories
[11:22]	matey	someday i hope to understand that
[11:22]	schestowitz_TR	they want to monopolise the message
[11:22]	matey	i mean 
[11:22]	schestowitz_TR	and we know who controls LF
[11:22]	schestowitz_TR	see the board
[11:22]	matey	this is really what linux has ALWAYS done
[11:22]	matey	it monopolised gnu
[11:22]	schestowitz_TR	so we must caution people
[11:22]	matey	it gave gnu to monopolies
[11:22]	schestowitz_TR	yes, gnu also
[11:22]	schestowitz_TR	gnu is PART of Linux
[11:22]	matey	heh
[11:22]	schestowitz_TR	but gnu started after 1991
[11:22]	schestowitz_TR	because "Linux" started 30 years ago
[11:22]	matey	i mean thats a narrative worth correcting
[11:22]	schestowitz_TR	gnu aka "dem linux commmmmands"
[11:23]	matey	just to get history right
[11:23]	schestowitz_TR	"mom, where's the code of lf in linux?"
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[11:23]	schestowitz_TR	"I searched all of linux, can't find it ;(""
[11:23]	matey	/me goes to look up when lf became lf again
[11:23]	matey	not 2000 obviously
[11:23]	schestowitz_TR	I meat ls
[11:23]	schestowitz_TR	*meant ls
[11:23]	schestowitz_TR	not lf
[11:23]	schestowitz_TR	although, lf too puts no code in it
[11:23]	schestowitz_TR	greeg k-h just backports patches
[11:24]	schestowitz_TR	linus hiomself says he writes no code
[11:24]	schestowitz_TR	at most he does some mock or pseudo code over email
[11:24]	matey	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation Formation 2000; 22 years ago (2000) <- pfffffffffft
[11:24]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation - Wikipedia
[11:24]	schestowitz_TR	to explain to coders with examples
[11:24]	schestowitz_TR	but linus does not patch any code of his own anymore
[11:24]	schestowitz_TR	LF =2007
[11:24]	schestowitz_TR	faking their age
[11:24]	schestowitz_TR	like Manchester University using some phony UMIST date to fake its  age
[11:25]	schestowitz_TR	and then putting that year in the logo
[11:25]	schestowitz_TR	LF is mostly OSDL people
[11:25]	schestowitz_TR	not the failing zemlin thing
[11:25]	schestowitz_TR	all they got from that is some specs and a mac fanboi
[11:25]	matey	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Source_Development_Labs On January 22, 2007, OSDL and the Free Standards Group merged to form the Linux Foundation
[11:25]	TR Bot	 Open Source Development Labs - Wikipedia
[11:25]	schestowitz_TR	who is unfit to boss torvalds
[11:25]	matey	so 2007 they started doing this
[11:26]	schestowitz_TR	yeah
[11:26]	matey	and before 2007, osi was doing it
[11:26]	schestowitz_TR	it's the osl thing
[11:26]	schestowitz_TR	iirc, osdl is 2004
[11:26]	schestowitz_TR	cohen got too cllose to microsoft
[11:26]	matey	the merger was when lf was actually created
[11:26]	schestowitz_TR	he did several other bad thing
[11:26]	matey	and the merger was 2007
[11:26]	matey	before 2007 lf didnt exist
[11:26]	schestowitz_TR	and then he vanished for good
[11:26]	schestowitz_TR	hgard to find anything about him online after CSI/CIS failed
[11:26]	schestowitz_TR	LF is a lying operatiomn
[11:26]	DaemonFC	https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-weighs-a-gas-tax-holiday-how-much-would-consumers-really-save/ar-AAYFVWk?li=BBnb7Kz
[11:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-MSN
[11:26]	DaemonFC	LOL
[11:27]	schestowitz_TR	wikipedia is a good place to lie
[11:27]	schestowitz_TR	if you have PR people
[11:27]	TR News	Words You Cannot Say Unless You Are the Linux Foundation | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/linux-foundation-words-hypocrisy/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/21/linux-foundation-words-hypocrisy/
[11:27]	TR Bot	 Words You Cannot Say Unless You Are the Linux Foundation | Techrights
[11:27]	matey	but i mean
[11:27]	matey	lf came in like american in wwii
[11:28]	schestowitz_TR	mohammad bin salman for prees 2024
[11:28]	DaemonFC	What I would do if I wanted to get gas prices down would be to tell the oil companies that they'd get prices down on their own, or I'd have the EPA increase their ethanol blending requirements so steeply that they couldn't do it and had to pay fines, and then use the money to send out gas cards or something.
[11:28]	schestowitz_TR	of course he never ran
[11:28]	schestowitz_TR	didn't get voted
[11:28]	matey	when osi had been doing this monopolisation shit for nearly a decade already
[11:28]	schestowitz_TR	they don'\t hold elections
[11:28]	schestowitz_TR	"i give you cheap oil... made of journalists"
[11:28]	matey	theres a pill for that
[11:28]	DaemonFC	I don't know why people who complain about gas prices don't just tune up their car.
[11:29]	DaemonFC	If they've been driving it a while, there's an extra mile or two per gallon to be had in there.
[11:29]	DaemonFC	Instead, they buy lotto scratchers and booze.
[11:29]	schestowitz_TR	https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/to-master-tech-you-must-master-software-and-open-source-even-if-youre-apple/
[11:29]	schestowitz_TR	"The one thing I left out is that there were plenty of suits in the room too, trying to meet, influence and hire the open source geeks that will lead the next wave of computing."
[11:29]	TR Bot	 To Master Tech You Must Master Software - And Open Source - Even If You're Apple - Linux Foundation
[11:29]	schestowitz_TR	Siuits
[11:30]	schestowitz_TR	Planety of suits
[11:30]	schestowitz_TR	Suit: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/zemlin-tuxedo.jpg
[11:31]	TR News	RapidDisk 8.2.0 now available Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166283
[11:31]	TR Bot	 RapidDisk 8.2.0 now available | Tux Machines
[11:31]	matey	to master linux you must run macos
[11:32]	matey	i wouldnt head the linux foundation if i was just going to use openbsd all the time
[11:32]	TR News	DNS Toys: Daily use Tools and Utilities over the DNS Protocol Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166284
[11:32]	TR Bot	 DNS Toys: Daily use Tools and Utilities over the DNS Protocol | Tux Machines
[11:32]	matey	it would be ridiculous
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[11:33]	TR Bot	 Mysterious GeckoLinux Creator Reveals a New Debian Remix Distro | Tux Machines
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[11:34]	schestowitz_TR	matey: to boss torvalds you need to be unqualified
[11:34]	schestowitz_TR	it makes you vulnerable
[11:34]	schestowitz_TR	so your corporate masters can sack ytoou any time
[11:34]	schestowitz_TR	citing lack of competence 
[11:34]	matey	i think theres a simpler explanation
[11:34]	schestowitz_TR	it's easier to control the conciously unqualified
[11:34]	matey	the whole thing is just a farce
[11:34]	matey	its just marketing and nonsense
[11:35]	matey	laughably so
[11:35]	TR News	IBMs (and others) front group, the Linux Foundation, does not adhere to its very own supposed principles, which it keeps lecturing us about http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/linux-foundation-words-hypocrisy/
[11:35]	TR Bot	 Words You Cannot Say Unless You Are the Linux Foundation | Techrights
[11:35]	schestowitz_TR	matey: it is NOT even GOOD marketing
[11:35]	schestowitz_TR	it's as if the objective is to reduce geeks' allure
[11:35]	matey	"i liked the shavers so much... i grew a beard like those guitar players from texas"
[11:36]	matey	amish linux users group
[11:37]	matey	"we dont use linux, but we recommend you do!"
[11:39]	matey	linux farms (a bayer subsidiary)
[11:40]	matey	what is linux? 
[11:40]	matey	at linux farms, we grow linux from seeds to your table
[11:41]	matey	linux is used in cooking and baking, as its oil produces a smooth texture and delicious flavour
[11:41]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166287
[11:41]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[11:41]	schestowitz_TR	go to http://linux.com/
[11:41]	TR Bot	- News For Open Source Professionals
[11:41]	schestowitz_TR	scroll down a bit
[11:41]	schestowitz_TR	tell me,
[11:41]	schestowitz_TR	is this site about Linux?
[11:41]	schestowitz_TR	if now, what is this/"thing"?
[11:41]	schestowitz_TR	*if not
[11:44]	matey	its about github
[11:44]	matey	starting at the bottom of the list
[11:44]	matey	Test API interactions with Mockoon
[11:44]	matey	June 2, 2022
[11:44]	matey	mockoon: github
[11:45]	matey	next one: interpreting system log files, and more sysadmin tips (systemd, github)
[11:45]	matey	5 Vim features for power users
[11:45]	matey	vim: github
[11:45]	matey	How to install JupyterLab on Linux <- github
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[11:45]	matey	How we use eBPF <- github
[11:45]	matey	maybe this one isnt github: How to interrupt the Linux boot process
[11:46]	matey	though thats probably systemd again
[11:46]	matey	its really just a link to the redhat website
[11:47]	matey	"the boot process stops in an emergency maintenance mode."
[11:48]	matey	so its about grub and systemd (the latter of which is github)
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[11:48]	matey	How to configure Network File System on Linux
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[11:48]	matey	another red hat article
[11:49]	matey	really linux.com is just an aggregator for sponsors (from the looks of it)
[11:49]	schestowitz_TR	yes!
[11:49]	schestowitz_TR	waitr
[11:49]	schestowitz_TR	http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/linux-com.png
[11:50]	matey	If you've got more than one or two workstations, it's inefficient to set up your client machines to recognize NFS volumes by hand. Instead, use Ansible to automate  <- github
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[11:53]	matey	yep, aggregator
[11:54]	matey	so basically its just an engine for diluting the linux trademark
[11:54]	matey	everything is linux
[11:54]	matey	if i sell tractors to the amish and i give them money
[11:54]	matey	ill get on the front page and say its linux
[11:54]	schestowitz_TR	http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/camel-linux.png
[11:55]	matey	everythingislinux.com
[11:55]	matey	hey hey, if i sell ovens to germany, and give money to
[11:55]	matey	too soon?
[11:56]	schestowitz_TR	no, 30 mins
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[11:56]	schestowitz_TR	at 180 degrees
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[11:56]	schestowitz_TR	it's OK - LF
[11:56]	schestowitz_TR	they give "open source" drivers for the oven
[11:56]	schestowitz_TR	"it's opn github"
[11:57]	matey	naziwashing
[11:57]	matey	Tune it Up: Improving Redis Performance for Ampere A1 on Oracle Linux in OCI
[11:57]	schestowitz_TR	http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/diluting-the-linux-trademark/
[11:57]	TR Bot	 [Meme] Linux Foundation is Not About Linux (Anymore) | Techrights
[11:57]	schestowitz_TR	draft
[11:58]	matey	redis: ibm + github
[11:58]	schestowitz_TR	Micro Business Machines
[11:58]	schestowitz_TR	Microguns
[11:58]	schestowitz_TR	miniguns
[11:59]	matey	http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/camel-linux.png
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[12:00]	matey	microsoft will buy it eventually
[12:00]	matey	of course they last time i said that, ibm did instead
[12:00]	schestowitz_TR	LT holds the trademark
[12:00]	schestowitz_TR	and can leave
[12:00]	matey	but since theyre the same company
[12:00]	schestowitz_TR	unlesss...
[12:00]	schestowitz_TR	"welll, he's dead"
[12:00]	matey	i think LMI owns it
[12:01]	schestowitz_TR	Linux Mark
[12:01]	schestowitz_TR	yeah
[12:01]	schestowitz_TR	but who runs that?
[12:01]	schestowitz_TR	they keep saying the person's name
[12:02]	matey	i really think linux is already dead
[12:02]	matey	not as a product
[12:02]	psydruid	The Linux Group
[12:02]	matey	but as anything useful to us
[12:03]	matey	lf is exploiting it
[12:03]	psydruid	the illegitimate heir to The Open Group
[12:03]	matey	but linux volunteered for it to be exploited
[12:03]	TR News	[Meme] Linux Foundation is Not About Linux (Anymore) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/diluting-the-linux-trademark/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/21/diluting-the-linux-trademark/
[12:03]	TR Bot	 [Meme] Linux Foundation is Not About Linux (Anymore) | Techrights
[12:03]	matey	linus ^
[12:03]	matey	lie-nus
[12:04]	schestowitz_TR	to be fair:
[12:04]	schestowitz_TR	it's usualy not him edenying gnu existed
[12:04]	schestowitz_TR	it's people around him
[12:04]	matey	mmhmm
[12:04]	schestowitz_TR	what zemlin called "suits"
[12:04]	schestowitz_TR	while he himseflf weara a  tux
[12:04]	schestowitz_TR	never uses "the tux"
[12:04]	matey	i wont forgive him for that "about hate" shit
[12:04]	schestowitz_TR	just wears one
[12:04]	schestowitz_TR	because... "the suits"
[12:04]	schestowitz_TR	nils torvalds is about hate
[12:04]	schestowitz_TR	look what he did in his youth
[12:05]	schestowitz_TR	poro-russia
[12:05]	schestowitz_TR	*pro
[12:05]	schestowitz_TR	linus does not want to comment on politics
[12:05]	schestowitz_TR	it would quickly land him in trouble
[12:05]	matey	nils is pro-russia, NOW?
[12:05]	schestowitz_TR	look up torvalds socialism cnn
[12:06]	schestowitz_TR	they asked him if linus was socialism
[12:06]	schestowitz_TR	or he was socialist
[12:06]	schestowitz_TR	and he started tip-toing all overe
[12:06]	psydruid	it has merged with The 'Ndrangheta Group
[12:06]	schestowitz_TR	*toeing
[12:06]	schestowitz_TR	https://yewtu.be/vi/isolAS66Puw/mqdefault.jpg
[12:07]	schestowitz_TR	one month ago: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=isolAS66Puw
[12:07]	TR Bot	 Could Finland outgun Russia? | Nils Torvalds - Invidious
[12:07]	schestowitz_TR	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=dr_jTob_TwA
[12:07]	TR Bot	 Nils Torvalds 09 March 2022 plenary speech on security of Europe - Invidious
[12:07]	schestowitz_TR	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=2k0jkQMTRDI
[12:07]	TR Bot	 Nils Torvalds EUdebates European security and the EU's role in a changing world - Invidious
[12:07]	schestowitz_TR	he has only 53 subscribers in gulagtube https://yewtu.be/channel/UCT_JXe1Xb5JNZqLNfOi3gsg
[12:07]	TR Bot	 MEP Nils Torvalds - Invidious
[12:07]	matey	im not getting useful results
[12:07]	schestowitz_TR	about the same number of views as spamnil
[12:07]	schestowitz_TR	around 20
[12:08]	schestowitz_TR	maybe he shoiuld speak to spamnil
[12:08]	schestowitz_TR	these days scsamnil contacts some scammersa
[12:08]	schestowitz_TR	they run clickfarms on his videos
[12:08]	schestowitz_TR	no comments, no likes
[12:08]	schestowitz_TR	thousands of FAKE views
[12:08]	schestowitz_TR	I showed rianne and she loled
[12:08]	schestowitz_TR	it's veyr easy to see
[12:09]	schestowitz_TR	surprisingly few videos
[12:09]	matey	linux.com should have a channel on rutube.ru
[12:09]	schestowitz_TR	nils is popular in .fi
[12:09]	schestowitz_TR	and more famous because of his son
[12:09]	schestowitz_TR	and yet few videos and subscrbers
[12:10]	schestowitz_TR	kind of sad, not worth the time it takes him to upload
[12:10]	schestowitz_TR	he had uploaded for nearly 4 years
[12:10]	schestowitz_TR	his oldest video is stuck at 26 views
[12:11]	schestowitz_TR	FT speaks to the "exprts" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=6b89jcNqgJo
[12:11]	TR Bot	 Henry Kissinger: We are now living in a totally new era | FT - Invidious
[12:11]	matey	maybe he should give money to linux.com
[12:11]	schestowitz_TR	FT.. funded by billG
[12:11]	schestowitz_TR	bribed
[12:11]	schestowitz_TR	and by EPO too
[12:11]	schestowitz_TR	FT = mountain of bribes
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[12:11]	schestowitz_TR	and some subscribers
[12:11]	schestowitz_TR	and forced subscriptions through airlines
[12:12]	schestowitz_TR	that put this sepia yellowing paper at the entrance at the plane
[12:12]	matey	the ussr really has fallen
[12:12]	matey	youre supposed to put a big throw rug at the entrance
[12:13]	matey	i fucking love it when they do that
[12:14]	TR News	"But suppose that your current directory, /whatever/foo, is a symlink, and some other process has deleted and recreated foo." gemini://freeshell.de/gemlog/2022-06-21_Go_where_.gmi
[12:14]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=34XymEDY9Wc
[12:14]	TR Bot	 Entering A Mysterious Exclave You've Never Heard Of ( In A Soviet Bi-plane ) - Invidious
[12:16]	schestowitz_TR	good news
[12:16]	schestowitz_TR	epo protest next week
[12:17]	matey	have they unionised yet?
[12:18]	schestowitz_TR	yes, before epo even existed
[12:18]	schestowitz_TR	epo is like lf
[12:18]	matey	and of course epo has fought back
[12:18]	schestowitz_TR	it's a merger of things
[12:18]	schestowitz_TR	it always does
[12:18]	schestowitz_TR	but much worse
[12:18]	schestowitz_TR	they break tghe law all the time
[12:18]	matey	its a merger of public and private control
[12:18]	schestowitz_TR	writing articl, bbiab
[12:18]	schestowitz_TR	merger of nazi and dutch thing
[12:23]	matey	will 2022 be the year of the free software sbc
[12:23]	matey	since the linux desktop will never matter
[12:24]	schestowitz_TR	haha
[12:24]	schestowitz_TR	good one
[12:24]	schestowitz_TR	and true
[12:24]	schestowitz_TR	rianne uses an sbc
[12:24]	schestowitz_TR	as a desktop
[12:24]	schestowitz_TR	and another arm laptop
[12:24]	schestowitz_TR	she has two arms
[12:24]	matey	so do i
[12:24]	psydruid	https://www.twitter.com/starfivetech/status/1539066172691324929
[12:24]	TR Bot	( status 400 @ https://mobile.twitter.com/starfivetech/status/1539066172691324929 )
[12:24]	schestowitz_TR	the intel one overheats and beeps
[12:24]	matey	born with them
[12:24]	schestowitz_TR	a lot in summer
[12:25]	matey	the intel one overheats and beeps <- thats nice to know
[12:25]	schestowitz_TR	StarFive Technology (@StarFiveTech): "Based on RISC-V ultra-high performance 8-core SoC, what end product do you want? A laptop, a Mini PC&#x2F;NUC, or a development board? Please fill out this questionnairehttp:&#x2F;&#x2F;starfive.mikecrm.com&#x2F;VZ4YhIX and let us help you to make it happen."|nitter.it https://nitter.eu/starfivetech/status/1539066172691324929 Source: nitter
[12:25]	TR Bot	Technology (@StarFiveTech): "Based on RISC-V ultra-high performance 8-core SoC, what end product do you want? A laptop, a Mini PC/NUC, or a development board? Please fill out this questionnairehttp://starfive.mikecrm.com/VZ4YhIX and let us help you to make it happen."|nitter.it
[12:25]	matey	i really wanted to waste money on one of those at one point
[12:25]	matey	years ago
[12:25]	matey	now i know what it would be like to use
[12:25]	schestowitz_TR	brb
[12:25]	schestowitz_TR	typing urgent article
[12:27]	XRevan86	schestowitz: "can you confirm Rusian media says Windows is banned for download?" <- https://meduza.io/news/2022/06/19/polzovateli-iz-rossii-ne-smogli-skachat-s-sayta-microsoft-utility-dlya-ustanovki-windows
[12:27]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[12:28]	XRevan86	https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/06/20/more-than-serious "Russia threatens retaliatory measures after Lithuania bans transit of EU-sanctioned goods to Kaliningrad"
[12:28]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[12:28]	XRevan86	https://theins.press/en/news/252412
[12:28]	TR Bot	 Dmitry Muratov sold his Nobel Medal for $103.5 million to aid Ukrainian refugees
[12:28]	XRevan86	https://theins.press/en/news/252416
[12:28]	TR Bot	 Occupation authorities evict Mariupol residents from half-destroyed homes, offer symbolic compensation
[12:29]	XRevan86	https://theins.press/en/news/252419
[12:29]	TR Bot	 Navalny put in prison inside prison to cut him off from communication and news, his daughter says
[12:29]	XRevan86	https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/06/21/a78053
[12:29]	TR Bot	 Kremlin Spokesman Says Americans Captured in Ukraine Committed 'Crimes' - The Moscow Times
[12:29]	matey	"Russia threatens retaliatory measures"
[12:30]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[12:30]	matey	get ready lithuania, youre going to have a bunch of tanks with no fuel parked around your main roads
[12:31]	matey	followed by soldiers sheepishly carrying tanks of gas and asking for directions
[12:32]	XRevan86	The amount of messages written here tonight is overwhelming.
[12:33]	matey	we had a party
[12:35]	XRevan86	schestowitz: "this iis very significant if as true as reported in English" <- Not necessarily, it could be a temporary breakage. Significance will become apparent in time.
[12:35]	schestowitz_TR	maybe they make an ENHANCEEE backoodr version
[12:35]	schestowitz_TR	with "SS" for "11"
[12:35]	schestowitz_TR	or "ZZ"
[12:36]	schestowitz_TR	the Zvaztika
[12:36]	matey	ZWINDOWS
[12:36]	matey	VVINDOWS FOR VVICTORY
[12:38]	matey	putin is working on another replacment turret, inspired by the terminator and old notebook computers
[12:38]	matey	the terminator is an old russian tank with a turret that serves a different purpose
[12:39]	matey	this new tank hes making addresses one of the drawbacks of the present situation, inspired by laptops that let you swap out the floppy drive for a second battery
[12:39]	matey	this model, instead of a turret, has a second gas tank as a replacement
[12:40]	matey	it can drive around for literally hours without refueling
[12:41]	matey	admittedly, it cant shoot at very much
[12:41]	matey	but neither can a tank that has no fuel, and this one at least is capable of a retreat
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[13:07]	TR News	Where were you all these years, European publishers, intentionally turning a blind eye to EPO crimes? At what point will the public get a feeling that the point of today's press is to COVER UP CRIME instead of covering crime?
[13:13]	matey	stallman on ties: 
[13:13]	matey	The people who yield to the pressure to wear ties are victim-coperpetrators: each one who wears a tie at work increases the pressure on others. This is a central concept for understanding other forms of propagating nastiness, including nonfree software and Facebook.
[13:13]	matey	"each one who wears a tie at work increases the pressure on others. This is a central concept for understanding other forms of propagating nastiness"
[13:13]	matey	"This is a central concept"
[13:14]	matey	stallman on the open spanish inquisition that has dismantled the movement he founded:
[13:14]	matey	""
[13:14]	matey	evidence of the real stallman, circa whenever he wrote that about ties
[13:15]	matey	https://techrights.org/2020/11/17/real-rms/
[13:15]	TR Bot	 The Real Richard Stallman is Not Coming Back | Techrights
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[13:19]	matey	to describe his lifestyle, he started with music http://web.archive.org/web/20100612210610/http://stallman.org/rms-lifestyle.html
[13:19]	TR Bot	 LifeStyle
[13:19]	matey	a year later he had added "home" and "food"
[13:20]	matey	the stuff about ties was added between 2011 and 2012
[13:26]	TR News	KDE Plasma 5.25 Desktop Gets First Point Release, Multi-GPU Support Improved Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166288
[13:26]	TR Bot	 KDE Plasma 5.25 Desktop Gets First Point Release, Multi-GPU Support Improved | Tux Machines
[13:26]	TR News	Physical Demonstration at the EPOs Headquarters and the Staff Explains Why | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/demonstrating-at-the-epo/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/21/demonstrating-at-the-epo/
[13:26]	TR Bot	 Physical Demonstration at the EPOs Headquarters and the Staff Explains Why | Techrights
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[13:40]	TR News	[Meme] The Re-election Package of the F***ing President (in His Own Words) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/epo-salaries-meme/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/21/epo-salaries-meme/
[13:40]	TR Bot	 [Meme] The Re-election Package of the F***ing President (in His Own Words) | Techrights
[13:42]	TR News	"Daniel Ellsberg discusses the significance of the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the growing danger of nuclear war with U.S. and NATO." https://scheerpost.com/2022/06/20/daniel-ellsberg-on-nuclear-war-and-ukraine/
[13:42]	TR Bot	Ellsberg on Nuclear War and Ukraine scheerpost.com
[13:43]	TR News	"I have been here in Ft Worth since last Friday. It has been over 100 degrees F for most of that time." gemini://1436.ninja/gemlog/20220620.gmi
[13:47]	MinceR	https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/null.png   ( https://explosm.net/comics/kris-null#comic )
[13:47]	TR Bot	& Happiness (Explosm.net)
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[15:41]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/1801287
[15:41]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/gcj7tqq8nib01.jpg created on 2018-01-28 02:15:08.565985
[15:41]	matey	I seem to remember Jimmy Wales getting involved in the naming
[15:41]	matey	controversy on Wikipedia, saying somewhere that almost every instance
[15:41]	matey	of "Linux" on Wikipedia should be GNU/Linux instead. This was a number
[15:41]	matey	of years ago.
[15:41]	matey	Did I make that up? I can't find any references for it anymore. -- Greg Farough // Campaigns Manager https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2022-06/msg00004.html
[15:41]	TR Bot	 Re: Wikipedia extolled as an aide for getting history correct
[15:42]	matey	this was quite interesting: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2022-06/msg00003.html
[15:42]	TR Bot	 Wikipedia extolled as an aide for getting history correct
[15:42]	matey	the importance of getting history right
[15:43]	matey	and its relevance to operations in something like the fsf
[15:43]	matey	with all the history being rewritten, both in the movement and (as the author mentions) in russia
[15:47]	matey	<yrk> moreover, and to the chagrin of rule-minded programmers, licenses are not 
[15:47]	matey	code, and judges are not machines. people interpret licenses, sometimes they 
[15:47]	matey	get challenged, and sometimes they don't
[15:47]	matey	https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2022-06/msg00000.html
[15:47]	TR Bot	 How does the System Library Exception work, when the GPL-covered work is
[15:48]	matey	licenses are not code, and judges are not machines. people interpret licenses, sometimes they get challenged, and sometimes they don't <- i strongly agree with this
[15:48]	matey	licenses are "code" of a sort though
[15:48]	matey	but not in the same way as other "code" and that is the authors point
[15:48]	matey	lessig of course, wrote an entire book on the theme of rules = code
[15:49]	matey	im not sure these disputes negate his points, but they would certainly throw a wrench into a shallow intepretation of them 
[15:49]	XRevan86	https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/06/21/a78060
[15:50]	TR Bot	 Moscow Vows Serious Consequences for Lithuania Over Kaliningrad Rail Ban - The Moscow Times
[15:50]	matey	<yrk> for the recond, I think that copyright law is anachronistic and 
[15:50]	matey	ill-conceived. but it is what we have right now...
[15:50]	matey	<Andrew> true...
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[15:52]	matey	russian oligarchy: serious business
[15:54]	matey	https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/oligarchy-countries
[15:54]	TR Bot	 Oligarchy Countries 2022
[15:55]	matey	"An oligarchy is a governmental system in which teh government"
[15:55]	matey	https://questionablecontent.net/comics/2.png
[15:55]	matey	"is controlled by a small group of people, or oligarchs."
[15:56]	matey	One of the most well-known oligarchies is Russia, which historians say has been ruled by one authoritative oligarchy or another since at least the 1400s. The dissolution of the Soviet Union from roughly 1988-1991 was a particular flashpoint for oligarchy, because it enabled a small group of wealthy individuals (mostly bankers) to gain controlling interest of many of the country's most valuable resources and utilities (such as oil fields).
[15:57]	matey	"This resulted in a situation in which politicians ruled the country, but the oligarchs ruled the politicians."
[15:57]	matey	For example, Russian President Vladimir Putin in 2020 spearheaded a constitutional amendment that, among other things, reset his term limit so he could conceivably remain president until 2036
[15:58]	matey	we have to make sure russia never becomes 64-bit or we are in real trouble
[15:59]	matey	if they upgrade, putins term limit could last another 292 billion years
[15:59]	matey	thats the bad news
● Jun 21
[16:00]	matey	the good news is that with putin at the helm, the chances of russia having 64 bits to spare is exceedingly small
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[16:07]	matey	Because "oligarchy" is a slightly amorphous, subjective term, there is no definitive list of which countries are and are not oligarchies. However, a strong case could be made for each of the following countries: China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Russia, Turkey, Ukraine, United States (debated), Venezuela, and Zimbabwe.
[16:08]	AdmFubar	https://www.alternet.org/2022/06/billionaire-tax/
[16:08]	TR Bot	the billionaire and rising GOP mega-donor whos gaming the tax system - Alternet.org
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[16:14]	XRevan86	https://nitter.net/JuliaDavisNews/status/1539108484859547655
[16:14]	TR Bot	 Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Kremlin propagandists sound pretty put out with my reporting that exposes their vile threats and warmongering conversations to the Western world. They also resent the headlines calling them names they don't like [Putin's cronies, puppets, stooges]. Oh well, if the shoe fits..."|nitter
[16:15]	XRevan86	So cute.
[16:24]	matey	if the shoe fits
[16:27]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22061369
[16:28]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/6t16uacr8c491.jpg created on 2022-06-13 23:24:42.445233
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[17:00]	XRevan86	https://t.me/mcxrd/1765 I predict a great future to this little clip.
[17:00]	TR Bot	 Telegram: Contact @mcxrd
[17:01]	MinceR	https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/vh9peo/just_pushed_my_first_pr_for_my_new_job_at/
[17:01]	TR Bot	 Just pushed my first PR for my new job at Cloudflare! : ProgrammerHumor
[17:14]	MinceR	(cat) (no audio) https://i.imgur.com/4vqoE21.mp4
[17:15]	TR News	2022-06-21 SpellBinding: AZILOPE Wordo: ADDED gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-06-21.gmi
[17:16]	matey	fake? https://yewtu.be/watch?v=umQL37AC_YM
[17:16]	TR Bot	 "I've never installed gnu/linux" - Richard Stallman - Invidious
[17:17]	matey	im on the fence but looks real
[17:17]	TR News	This Open-Source Project Proves Chrome Extensions Can Track You Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166289
[17:17]	TR Bot	 This Open-Source Project Proves Chrome Extensions Can Track You | Tux Machines
[17:18]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166290
[17:18]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[17:20]	matey	i had to play it back more than once, but the thing is i can see him saying that
[17:20]	TR News	KDE Plasma 5.25.1, Bugfix Release for June http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166288#comment-34082
[17:20]	TR Bot	 KDE Plasma 5.25 Desktop Gets First Point Release, Multi-GPU Support Improved | Tux Machines
[17:20]	matey	not that the technology doesnt exist to fake that now. in the future im sure he will say "i huff kittens"
[17:20]	matey	"i dont have any kittens but if i did, i huff them sometimes"
[17:21]	MinceR	"the orange ones fuck you up real good"
[17:21]	matey	"you should only huff free kittens, because non-free kittens dont respect your freedom"
[17:22]	matey	of course theres no such thing as free kittens, but it turns out they 1. have a proprietary design 2. cost twice as much as other proprietary kittens despite being older 3. really are only called that because theyre known to be compatible with free drivers
[17:22]	MinceR	"eat free kids"
[17:24]	matey	children left unattended will be given a cappucino and free operating system
[17:24]	MinceR	:)
[17:25]	matey	or as i like to call it systemd minus gnu
[17:26]	MinceR	that's not a free operating system :(
[17:27]	MinceR	could be an fsf-"free" operating system though
[17:27]	matey	nor a free software foundation
[17:27]	matey	but its a formerly free operating system
[17:27]	MinceR	as long as it makes certain software difficult to install
[17:27]	matey	and a former software foundation
[17:27]	matey	now its the gnu water bottle foundation
[17:27]	MinceR	(that is an important requirement for fsf-"free" operating systems)
[17:28]	matey	theres a blunt that goes with those sunglasses
[17:28]	matey	did the gnu eat it, or are the people who added that to the tshirts smoking it?
[17:29]	matey	so many things theyve done, wouldnt be so egregious
[17:29]	matey	if they werent after gutting the entire thing
[17:29]	matey	after doing fuck-all to fight for years at a time
[17:29]	matey	now its like welp, doesnt matter now!
[17:29]	matey	draw a funny moustache on him too
[17:30]	matey	give him buck teeth
[17:30]	matey	its a joke now anyway
[17:30]	matey	easier to join in the fun when you dont have to swear an oath to lieplanet first
[17:31]	matey	I SOLUMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL UPHOLD THE DOUBLE STANDARDS OF IBM NOW GIVE MY GNU SUNGLASSES
[17:31]	matey	are you now or have you ever been a poster on 4chan?
[17:32]	matey	"is it true, mr nixon, that ten years ago you said people should be raped with a text editor?"
[17:33]	matey	"no, thats not what i said"
[17:33]	matey	"well what did you say they should be violated with?"
[17:33]	matey	"the aristihub!"
[17:35]	matey	you know the worst part about the gnu wearing pixel-art sunglasses?
[17:36]	matey	jason robinson, the grand inquisitor of the socialhoneypotiverse, wore them on his avatar for YEARS
[17:36]	matey	and he signed the letter
[17:36]	matey	so now the gnu looks like jason fucking robinson
[17:36]	matey	(at least theyre not in colour)
[17:37]	matey	/me checks to see if the gnu head signed the letter too (or someone signed it for him)
[17:39]	matey	/me says "fuck it whatever" and just puts gnu horns on snoopy instead
[17:40]	matey	i think peanuts has fared better
[17:40]	matey	even if charlie brown and stallman have similar tailors
[17:41]	matey	"you blockhead! i stayed out here all night waiting for the great distro!"
[17:42]	matey	good grief
[17:43]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=MHh-j-1-zcM
[17:43]	TR Bot	 How Richard Stallman and I failed to protect the web from the man who invented it - CubaConf 2017 - Invidious
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[17:49]	matey	kids in the hall makes snl look tame
[17:50]	matey	then again sometimes mister rogers neighbourhood makes snl look tame
[17:51]	TR News	Why EPO Scandals (and Next Weeks Protest) Are a Very Big Deal | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/internal-epo-scandals/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/21/internal-epo-scandals/
[17:51]	TR Bot	 Why EPO Scandals (and Next Weeks Protest) Are a Very Big Deal | Techrights
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[18:02]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=3njtkgHPbpI
[18:02]	TR Bot	 Kids in the Hall - Give me a tea you bastard - Invidious
[18:03]	matey	(unrelated to earlier comment, this one is just silly)
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[18:20]	TR News	[Meme] EPO Funding Microsoft and the War Against Ukraine | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/epo-and-war-against-ukraine/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/21/epo-and-war-against-ukraine/
[18:20]	TR Bot	 [Meme] EPO Funding Microsoft and the War Against Ukraine | Techrights
[18:23]	TR News	"OP is correct that theres enough documentation and software out there to get moving. The community seems adrift though. I couldnt figure out where the main protocol repo is, for example." gemini://geddit.glv.one/s/494
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[18:24]	TR News	low bandwidth lifestyle gemini://sud0nim.smol.pub/low-bandwidth-lifestyle
[18:26]	schestowitz	"Summertime Summertime summer summer time time by The Busters
[18:26]	schestowitz	" gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1025
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[18:28]	TR Bot	 mesa/mesa - The Mesa 3D Graphics Library (mirrored from https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa)
[18:29]	TR News	Michael Larabel i still running AMD ads, no connection to Linux!!! https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-Ryzen-Embedded-R2000 see http://techrights.org/2022/02/03/phoronix-went-too-far/
[18:29]	TR Bot	Announces Ryzen Embedded R2000 Series With Zen+ Cores, Radeon Graphics - Phoronix
[18:29]	TR Bot	 When Blogs Become Marketing and Benchmarks Become Product Promotions | Techrights
[18:29]	matey	fi wonder if nina paley feels good about being allied with people like this https://yewtu.be/watch?v=qrKABoYiE20
[18:29]	TR Bot	 BANNING DRAG SHOWS FOR CHILDREN? - Invidious
[18:30]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[18:30]	matey	i mean its complete hypocrisy, im 100% certain thats alex jones in a wig and makeup
[18:30]	TR News	The site that was once a hub for GNU/Linux news has become just Linux Foundation trash; its not even about Linux anymore http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/diluting-the-linux-trademark/
[18:30]	TR Bot	 [Meme] Linux Foundation is Not About Linux (Anymore) | Techrights
[18:32]	matey	my favourite is when she shows her sponsor though
[18:32]	matey	obviously moved up from male enhancement and letters from the nigerian finance minister
[18:33]	TR News	EPO staff is sick and tired of abuse and corruption at the employer, which was supposed to serve Europe and to serve science (instead if became like a secretive private bank that violates every law it wants to) http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/demonstrating-at-the-epo/
[18:33]	TR Bot	 Physical Demonstration at the EPOs Headquarters and the Staff Explains Why | Techrights
[18:33]	TR News	Nobody at the EPO is dumb enough to be fooled by the charlatan Antnio Campinos, who refers to himself as the f***ing president (no kidding; the Hubris is humongous) http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/epo-salaries-meme/
[18:33]	TR Bot	 [Meme] The Re-election Package of the F***ing President (in His Own Words) | Techrights
[18:33]	TR News	In the video above I go through the document explaining internal EPO scandals (directed towards staff) and theres still time to contact European politicians and media; theres no valid excuse for turning a blind eye http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/internal-epo-scandals/
[18:33]	TR News	The EPOs Belarusian blunder (more below) is still 100% uncovered as in NOT covered by the mainstream media (or any site other than Techrights for that matter) http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/epo-and-war-against-ukraine/
[18:35]	TR News	Yukika goes under a "ubuntu" label (Japanese/Korean) https://www.nme.com/en_au/news/music/yukika-new-digital-single-scent-3252229
[18:35]	TR Bot	 Yukika announces new single ''
[18:37]	TR News	"Canonicals Ubuntu Core 22, the fully containerized Ubuntu 22.04 LTS variant optimized for IoT and edge devices," http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166053#comment-34084
[18:37]	TR Bot	 Canonical Releases Ubuntu Core 22 for IoT, Edge and Embedded Devices | Tux Machines
[18:39]	TR News	Eyes on Kenya: government must uphold commitment to connectivity during elections - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/kenya-government-internet-connectivity-elections/ militarisation and weaponisation of the Internet by FOREIGN nations has RIGHTLY led to suspicions of it.
[18:39]	TR Bot	 Eyes on Kenya: government must uphold commitment to connectivity during elections - Access Now
[18:39]	TR News	In a bittersweet ruling, EU Court of Justice allows EU-wide border surveillance scheme but clarifies its limits - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/eu-court-of-justice-ruling-pnr-directive/ Source: accessnow
[18:39]	TR Bot	 In a bittersweet ruling, EU Court of Justice allows EU-wide border surveillance scheme but clarifies its limits - Access Now
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[18:40]	TR News	KDE Plasma 5.25.1 (First Point Release) Brings 50+ Changes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166291
[18:40]	TR Bot	 KDE Plasma 5.25.1 (First Point Release) Brings 50+ Changes | Tux Machines
[18:45]	TR News	Microsoft FUD buddies Snyk connected to Jim Zemlin and his fellow kakistocrats https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/06/21/2465876/0/en/New-Research-from-Snyk-and-The-Linux-Foundation-Reveals-Significant-Security-Concerns-Resulting-from-Open-Source-Software-Ubiquity.html LF is Linux-hosile because... FOLLOW THE MONEY
[18:45]	TR Bot	 New Research from Snyk and The Linux Foundation Reveals
[18:47]	TR News	Introduction of Open Programmable Infrastructure (OPI) Project Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166292
[18:47]	TR Bot	 Introduction of Open Programmable Infrastructure (OPI) Project | Tux Machines
[18:49]	TR News	20 Useful Security Features and Tools for Linux Admins https://www.tecmint.com/security-features-tools-linux-admins/ Source: TecMint FreeSW | GNU | Linux
[18:49]	TR Bot	 20 Useful Security Features and Tools for Linux Admins
[18:51]	TR News	Very little value for money. You're subsidising evil ICBM... NOT GNU/Linux development. https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/rhel-subscription-manager
[18:51]	TR Bot	 How to use Subscription Manager on Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) | Enable Sysadmin
[18:53]	TR News	"According to a SurveyMonkey study"... STUDY? Those are NOT studies but roll-out-your-own propaganda. https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/6/it-leadership-6-questions-mentors-should-ask-mentees
[18:53]	TR Bot	 IT leadership: 6 questions mentors should ask mentees | The Enterprisers Project
[18:55]	TR News	"Clown consultants" sounds like a paradox. Either you're a clown or you're a real consultant rather than a poser and imposter (reseller of junk and "clown" diagrams) https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/6/cloud-consultants-4-questions-ask-about-your-strategy
[18:55]	TR Bot	 Cloud consultants: 4 questions to ask about your strategy | The Enterprisers Project
[18:58]	TR News	Sabine Soellheim and SUSE CEO: we work for SAP but we receive our salary from this "Linux" thing called "SUSE" (we don't know what it stands for and what it does!) https://www.suse.com/c/why-data-management-strategies-are-so-important-for-you/
[18:58]	TR Bot	Data Management Strategies Are So Important For You | SUSE Communities
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[18:59]	TR News	ICBM Red Hat... Microsoft ShitHub (we don't value your freedom.... we keep saying "open") https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/06/21/distributed-tracing-opentelemetry-knative-and-quarkus
[18:59]	TR Bot	 Distributed tracing with OpenTelemetry, Knative, and Quarkus | Red Hat Developer
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[19:01]	TR News	"The Operations Team is the only team that can touch the production systems." https://opensource.com/article/22/6/effective-incident-response-site-reliability-engineers
[19:01]	TR Bot	SREs can achieve effective incident response | Opensource.com
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[19:04]	XRevan86	https://t.me/chtede/51132 Cowards from the Ministry of Agriculture of Dagestan removed the video with the Z-sheeps.
[19:04]	TR Bot	 Telegram: Contact @chtede
[19:04]	XRevan86	So I have to post it again, with a re-upload.
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[19:28]	TR News	Fedora 2012: community = free software enthusiasts. Fedora 2022: community = ICBM staff. CentOS 2018: community = ICBM staff. CentOS 2022: community = nobody, just seat fillers.
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[19:28]	TR News	Red Hat / IBM Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166293
[19:28]	TR Bot	 Red Hat / IBM Leftovers | Tux Machines
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[19:31]	TR News	Wonder and Feeling Clever alternatives to "subverting expectations" gemini://isoraqathedh.pollux.casa/wonder.gmi
[19:31]	AdmFubar	https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/17/fbi-says-fraud-on-linkedin-a-significant-threat-to-platform-and-consumers.html
[19:31]	TR Bot	 FBI says fraud on LinkedIn a 'significant threat' to platform and consumers
[19:31]	TR News	Noromo gemini://idiomdrottning.org/noromo
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[19:32]	schestowitz_TR	Microsoft itself is significant threat
[19:32]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22061312
[19:32]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/9s59tnq9o9591.jpg created on 2022-06-13 04:09:49.722666
[19:32]	schestowitz_TR	http://techrights.org/2021/07/19/microsoft-national-security/
[19:32]	TR Bot	 Is Microsoft a National Security Threat? | Techrights
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[19:36]	AdmFubar	I say someone was on drugs when they made this ad campaign!     https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/say-sliders-to-drugs/
[19:36]	TR Bot	Sliders to Drugs'? Real Sign Mocks Fake TMNT Meme | Snopes.com
[19:37]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166294
[19:37]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[19:39]	schestowitz_TR	AdmFubar: they sure got attention/exposure
[19:39]	schestowitz_TR	that's a strategy sometimes
[19:42]	TR News	Links 21/06/2022: RapidDisk 8.2.0 and KDE Plasma 5.25.1 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/kde-plasma-5-25-1/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/21/kde-plasma-5-25-1/
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[19:43]	AdmFubar	yeah just not the one they were after..
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[19:47]	TR News	Security and FUD Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166295
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[19:50]	TR News	How to Create LaTeX Documents with Emacs https://www.maketecheasier.com/create-latex-documents-with-emacs/
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[20:08]	TR News	KDE Plasma 5.25.1 Fixes Frustrating Linux Desktop Bugs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166288#comment-34088
[20:08]	TR Bot	 KDE Plasma 5.25 Desktop Gets First Point Release, Multi-GPU Support Improved | Tux Machines
[20:08]	TR News	"In this video, I am going to show an overview of Manjaro 21.3.0 Xfce Edition and some of the applications pre-installed." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=5OueYKJaP9w
[20:08]	TR Bot	 Manjaro 21.3.0 Xfce Edition overview | OS for everyone. - Invidious
[20:09]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166296
[20:09]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[20:10]	TR News	Jonathan Riddell: Scotland should leave the UK. Also: OpenUK is great https://jriddell.org/2022/06/21/openuk-awards-2022/
[20:10]	TR Bot	 OpenUK Awards 2022 Jonathan Esk-Riddell's Diary
[20:11]	TR News	What OpenUK did with OSI tarnishes its name: http://techrights.org/2022/05/02/osi-is-bought/
[20:11]	TR Bot	 A Look From the Inside: Open Source Initiatives Voting Process is a Sham, Large Corporations Are in Charge | Techrights
[20:12]	TR News	Adriaan de Groot: "The KDE Community has used and gently encouraged the Fiduciary License Agreement (FLA) which was created by the Free Software Foundation Europe (FSFE) some 15 years ago." When FSFE did something useful. https://euroquis.nl//kde/2022/06/21/fla.html
[20:12]	TR Bot	 FLA Two | [bobulate]
[20:12]	TR News	Microsoft bribes GNOME http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166130#comment-34087
[20:12]	TR Bot	 OSI and GNOME (and Microsoft Bribes) | Tux Machines
[20:13]	TR News	Spamnil = LF megaphone http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166292#comment-34086
[20:13]	TR Bot	 Introduction of Open Programmable Infrastructure (OPI) Project | Tux Machines
[20:15]	TR News	TrueNAS "SCALE" 22.02.2 is out, but the TrueNAS site is technically defunct. No reason I should have to download nearly 15,000,000 bytes just to render this page: https://www.truenas.com/
[20:15]	TR Bot	Open Storage | ZFS for the Home to the Data Center
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[20:16]	TR News	Exploitable remotely https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-172-02
[20:16]	TR Bot	 JTEKT TOYOPUC | CISA
[20:18]	TR News	"This is a great opportunity to connect with your fellow Fedorans and receive some amazing Fedora swag." Will ICBM give them NFTs? Will slaves be paid in panda PNGs? Or clothes made in sweatshots (other slaves)? https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/hatch-with-fedora/
[20:18]	TR Bot	 Fedora Hatch Fedora Community Blog
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[20:19]	TR News	Almost ALL the BIGGEST flaws are in proprietary software, NOT in Free software. Guess what corrupted, bribed corporate media pays far more attention to...
[20:20]	TR News	"Knock knock"..."who's there?" CVSS v3 9.8! (Out of 10) Equipment: SIMATIC WinCC OA https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-172-06
[20:20]	TR Bot	 Siemens WinCC OA | CISA
[20:21]	TR News	Don't worry, lads. The world's systems will be secure. They'll be secured by people with a degree in genetics. And EPO will be run by bankers.
[20:23]	TR News	You should not have to pay this much for it. Use RockyLinux instead. Don't pay ICBM while it is ATTACKING the community. https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-insights-launches-new-recommendations-keep-application-streams-running
[20:23]	TR Bot	 Red Hat Insights launches new recommendations to keep Application Streams running
[20:24]	TR News	Linux [sic] Foundation now works with Microsoft to spread FUD and distract from Microsoft's back/bug doors http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166295#comment-34089
[20:24]	TR Bot	 Security and FUD Leftovers | Tux Machines
[20:25]	TR News	Linux [sic] Foundation is named after the thing it is oppressing if not attacking
[20:27]	psydroid2	https://hardforum.com/threads/microsoft-to-remove-ability-to-install-win-11-pro-without-being-online-and-signing-in-to-microsoft-account.2017854/
[20:27]	TR News	Red Hat CEO did not quit ICBM because he was at age of retirement. He quit ICBM because even as ICBM PRESIDENT he saw what a dead end the company was...
[20:27]	TR Bot	 Microsoft to Remove Ability to Install Win 11 Pro Without Being Online and Signing in to Microsoft Account | [H]ard|Forum
[20:27]	psydroid2	the BS in this thread is enormous
[20:27]	schestowitz_TR	psydroid2: I posted the same link some days ago,, iirc
[20:27]	psydroid2	with people paid to apologise for Microsoft
[20:27]	schestowitz_TR	micropsoft shoots its own foot
[20:27]	schestowitz_TR	and it is pissing off a lot of people
[20:27]	psydroid2	schestowitz_TR, I read it because you posted it here
[20:27]	schestowitz_TR	some move to gnu/linux
[20:28]	schestowitz_TR	ah, makes sense now
[20:28]	schestowitz_TR	well, micerosoft pays for the shills
[20:28]	schestowitz_TR	unless they are mvps
[20:28]	schestowitz_TR	in which case they are usefuil idiotcs of organised crime syndidcate
[20:28]	schestowitz_TR	fighting to maintain some installbase fiorot them to "support"
[20:29]	psydroid2	but it's good to see that they're losing the narrative also or maybe especially in the US
[20:30]	TR News	Mozilla quit being a technical company https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/joey-amato-publisher-of-pride-journeys-shares-what-brings-him-joy-online/ see http://techrights.org/2022/06/13/mozilla-politics-blog/
[20:30]	TR Bot	 Joey Amato, Publisher of Pride Journeys, Shares What Brings Him Joy Online
[20:30]	TR Bot	 Mozilla, Just Like the Linux Foundation, Has Turned to Politics at Firefoxs Expense | Techrights
[20:31]	TR News	Mozilla is pushing spyware instead of Firefox https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/pocket/reflecting-on-10-years-of-time-well-spent-with-pocket/
[20:31]	TR Bot	 Reflecting on 10 years of time well spent with Pocket
[20:32]	TR News	Mozilla now makes a semi-apology for mass surveillance https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/understanding-apples-private-click-measurement/
[20:32]	TR Bot	 Understanding Apples Private Click Measurement
[20:33]	TR News	every now and then Mozilla openly admits it does not value users' privacy, causing an uproar that can take years to quell or calm down while Firefox keeps losing millions of users every month https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/pocket/reflecting-on-10-years-of-time-well-spent-with-pocket/
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[20:35]	TR News	Can Gulag purchase enough popcorn from the supply chain? To watch how Mozilla destroys itself?
[20:36]	TR News	Mozilla is a bloated company with a bloated browser, having become accustomed to bloated budget from Gulag (which comes with super-bloated strings)
[20:37]	TR News	Exploitable remotely/low attack complexity https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-172-01
[20:37]	TR Bot	 Mitsubishi Electric MELSEC Q and L Series | CISA
[20:38]	TR News	RISC-V 3D GPU https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/06/15/2462749/0/en/Think-Silicon-to-Unveil-Industry-s-First-RISC-V-3D-GPU-at-Embedded-World-2022.html?s=09
[20:38]	TR Bot	 Think Silicon to Unveil Industrys First RISC-V 3D GPU at
[20:40]	TR News	"Rust support being such an exciting feature and judging by the past timing, I think the first kernel with merged Rust support should be called 6.0." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1329923-linus-torvalds-rust-for-the-kernel-could-possibly-be-merged-for-linux-5-20 Linus quit leading Linus http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/
[20:40]	TR Bot	Torvalds: Rust For The Kernel Could Possibly Be Merged For Linux 5.20 - Phoronix Forums
[20:40]	TR Bot	 The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights
[20:41]	TR News	Linux 6.0: Microsoft GitHub down. Cannot release Linux.
[20:42]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22061310
[20:42]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.imgur.com/ybZ9z4T.jpg created on 2022-06-13 03:09:59.296251
[20:42]	TR News	Who pays for Microsoft to buy GitHub, Skype etc.? The US TAXPAYER: http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
[20:42]	TR Bot	 The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
[20:42]	TR News	RISC OS is 35 but its still kicking Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166297
[20:42]	TR Bot	 RISC OS is 35 but it's still kicking | Tux Machines
[20:44]	TR News	7 summer book recommendations from open source enthusiasts https://opensource.com/article/22/6/2022-opensourcecom-summer-reading-list
[20:44]	TR Bot	summer book recommendations from open source enthusiasts | Opensource.com
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[20:45]	TR News	"The Central Bank of Austria has published a report in the context of a workshop celebrating 20 years of Euro-denominated cash. The report discusses the future of cash, including account- and blockchain-based designs, as well as GNU Taler." https://taler.net/en/news/2022-07.html
[20:45]	TR Bot	 GNU Taler
[20:46]	TR News	an optimistic evacuation of my wordhoard -- wingolog https://wingolog.org/archives/2022/06/21/an-optimistic-evacuation-of-my-wordhoard Source: wingolog
[20:46]	TR Bot	 an optimistic evacuation of my wordhoard -- wingolog
[20:47]	TR News	"Reducing the power to tech monopolies would do more to fix the Internet than any other single action, and I am generally in favor of them both." https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/06/hidden-anti-cryptography-provisions-in-internet-anti-trust-bills.html
[20:47]	TR Bot	Anti-Cryptography Provisions in Internet Anti-Trust Bills - Schneier on Security
[20:50]	TR News	Atari ST - What a computer. gemini://blog.datapulp.de/atari-st-what-a-computer
[20:51]	TR News	Here we go AGAIN. It's PROPRIETARY software: CVSS v3 9.8 (out of 10!!) https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-172-05
[20:51]	TR Bot	 Phoenix Contact Classic Line Industrial Controllers | CISA
[20:51]	TR News	CVSS v3 9.8 AGAIN https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-172-04 Proprietary junk
[20:51]	TR Bot	 Phoenix Contact ProConOS and MULTIPROG | CISA
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[20:53]	TR News	CVSS v3 9.8 a third time! "Successful exploitation of this vulnerability could allow an attacker to upload logic with arbitrary code." Media coverage will be NOTHING. Because it's NOT "Open Source" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-172-03
[20:53]	TR Bot	 Phoenix Contact Classic Line Controllers | CISA
[20:54]	TR News	Linux Foundation does not protect us from FUD; instead it participates in the FUD
[20:54]	TR News	RISC-V Announces First New Specifications of 2022, Adding to 16 Ratified in 2021 | RISC-V International https://riscv.org/announcements/2022/06/risc-v-announces-first-new-specifications-of-2022-adding-to-16-ratified-in-2021-risc-v-international/
[20:54]	TR Bot	 RISC-V Announces First New Specifications of 2022, Adding to 16 Ratified in 2021 | RISC-V International - RISC-V International
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[20:56]	XRevan86	https://nitter.net/JuliaDavisNews/status/1539326751104733184
[20:56]	TR Bot	 Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Russian state pokes fun at their favorite, mocking Trump's promise not to ever ride a bike: "How about going down a ramp?" Another barb follows: "What if Biden chokes on a hamburger? Will you swear off hamburgers?" Then they all laugh at Trump with toilet paper stuck to his shoe."|nitter
[20:56]	TR News	To use an analogy, the 'Linux' Foundation is the Trump-funded Tolerance Foundation and BP-sponsored Conservation Alliance. Ignore the name/words, check the actual operandi.
[20:57]	schestowitz_TR	sounds like gossip talk from Julia
[20:57]	schestowitz_TR	while people die
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[20:57]	MinceR	people die, things break
[20:58]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Rather, she quotes the gossip talk.
[20:58]	schestowitz_TR	yeah
[20:58]	schestowitz_TR	distracts from the war crimes, imho
[20:58]	schestowitz_TR	social control media is favouring such spoon-feeding
[20:58]	schestowitz_TR	for clicks
[20:58]	schestowitz_TR	"engagement"
[20:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.66 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[20:59]	schestowitz_TR	they call it "algotalk"
[20:59]	XRevan86	To me it's just bizarre, Zhuravlyov found it hilarious.
[20:59]	MinceR	the war crimes are only relevant if someone with the power is actually willing to invade orcland, cripple their warmaking capabilities, arrest putler and all UR members and punish them for their crimes
[20:59]	schestowitz_TR	maybe even Russia does this specifically to divide the US
[20:59]	schestowitz_TR	based on jokes
[20:59]	schestowitz_TR	and use social control media to make phony scandals
[20:59]	MinceR	and make sure orcland will never again have the ability to wage war
[20:59]	schestowitz_TR	while they kil people
[20:59]	XRevan86	https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/06/21/15-people-killed-in-russian-attacks-on-ukraines-kharkiv-region-news "15 people killed in Russian attacks on Ukraines Kharkiv region"
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[21:00]	MinceR	it's pointless to talk about war crimes much if the people who could do something about it are unwilling to do so
[21:00]	schestowitz_TR	the west likes the war
[21:00]	schestowitz_TR	it's exploitd to the fullest
[21:00]	schestowitz_TR	Sleepy Jojo has just giveen a ton of money to military contreactorsd
[21:00]	schestowitz_TR	other than Microsoft
[21:00]	schestowitz_TR	they will lobby to carry on
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[21:01]	schestowitz_TR	no war, less profits
[21:01]	schestowitz_TR	that also helps them feed us price hikes
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[21:01]	XRevan86	The problem is that a lot of the war crimes are more-of-the-same, so one stops paying attention.
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[21:01]	schestowitz_TR	paying attention to toilet paper-on-shoe joke won't help
[21:01]	schestowitz_TR	like obama with the mustard-coloured suit
[21:02]	schestowitz_TR	and murdoch hive talking about it for ages
[21:03]	XRevan86	schestowitz: I got a pretty much opposite impression, that even to this today, European countries are unwilling to provide sufficient military backing.
[21:03]	XRevan86	* to this day
[21:08]	schestowitz_TR	That's Europe
[21:08]	schestowitz_TR	US knows Eurpe standa to suffer
[21:08]	schestowitz_TR	US is very far away
[21:09]	schestowitz_TR	US just supplies (sells) weapons
[21:09]	schestowitz_TR	graft
[21:09]	schestowitz_TR	taxpayers' money to warlords
[21:09]	schestowitz_TR	USSA is finished
[21:09]	XRevan86	The US is also not really able to provide enough.
[21:09]	schestowitz_TR	it'll continue to exist
[21:09]	schestowitz_TR	like Russia after USSR
[21:09]	schestowitz_TR	but it'll be poor and failing
[21:09]	schestowitz_TR	and run by despot (maybe despots... if the main despot dies)
[21:10]	schestowitz_TR	those who can, will leave..
[21:10]	schestowitz_TR	<XRevan86> The US is also not really able to provide enough.
[21:10]	schestowitz_TR	maybe "supply chain" issue ;-)
[21:10]	schestowitz_TR	I reckon many US weapons nowadays have microchips in them that are imported from china
[21:10]	schestowitz_TR	the drone missiles have sony cameras
[21:10]	schestowitz_TR	japan
[21:11]	schestowitz_TR	but made in china obviously
[21:11]	schestowitz_TR	you cannot have your new cars because the components go (instead) into weapons that blow up the components
[21:11]	schestowitz_TR	that's US "efficiency"
[21:12]	schestowitz_TR	Sony was not upset about these sales
[21:12]	schestowitz_TR	but about the media finding out
[21:12]	schestowitz_TR	as it makes sony seem like military contractor tied to assassination
[21:13]	schestowitz_TR	of kids, dogs, etc. and illegal actions, too.
[21:13]	schestowitz_TR	but japan isn't known for valuing life anyway
[21:17]	TR News	SolidRun releases SOM module based on 64-bit Renesas RZ/G2LC SoC https://linuxgizmos.com/solidrun-releases-som-module-based-on-renesas-rz-g2lc-soc/ Source: LinuxGizmos | Hardware | Devices | GNU | Linux
[21:17]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/solidrun-releases-som-module-based-on-renesas-rz-g2lc-soc/ )
[21:20]	TR News	"Senior Director, Diversity and Inclusion." Painting criminals as "ethical" is job title now. https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/open-source-community-gather-la-scale-19x
[21:20]	TR Bot	 Open Source Community to Gather in LA for SCALE 19x | Linux Journal
[21:21]	TR News	Companies become a lot more evil when they start hiring lawyers and other "bullshit jobs" instead of people who actually deliver core services
[21:23]	MinceR	(cat) https://i.imgur.com/CiQQuC5.jpeg
[21:26]	TR News	Linux has a new authenticator app, and its easy enough for anyone to use http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165920#comment-34091
[21:26]	TR Bot	 Use Authenticator to Generate Two-Factor Authentication Codes on Linux | Tux Machines
[21:28]	TR News	2021 Annual Survey Report | Inside Rust Blog https://blog.rust-lang.org/inside-rust/2022/06/21/survey-2021-report.html Source: rust-lang
[21:28]	TR Bot	 2021 Annual Survey Report | Inside Rust Blog
[21:29]	TR News	This Tool Enables Live Clock on Wallpaper of Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME 42 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166298
[21:29]	TR Bot	 This Tool Enables Live Clock on Wallpaper of Ubuntu 22.04 GNOME 42 | Tux Machines
[21:30]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[21:35]	TR News	Embedded Git lib ted "You pig !!" 35-54W ... for a CPU alone https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/06/21/amd-ryzen-embedded-r2000-series-processors-with-up-to-four-cores-quad-display-support/
[21:35]	TR Bot	 AMD unveils Ryzen Embedded R2000 Series processors with up to four cores, quad-display support - CNX Software
[21:35]	schestowitz_TR	psydroid2: start your engines!!
[21:36]	psydroid2	I'm running to the store as we speak!
[21:37]	TR News	RISC/ARM: nice lean meal. x86: here, have 12 small packs of potato chips. Enjoy your "meal"...
[21:38]	TR News	Steam Deck: look at all the polygons we render. But AMD/x86 is a hog, so you must plug that 'handheld' back into the socket after 60 minutes...
[21:40]	TR News	Even my gamegear in the mid 90s had better battery life than steam dreck.
[21:41]	psydroid2	the worst part is that these AMD chips aren't that much faster than ARM chips with a fraction of the power consumption
[21:41]	psydroid2	https://browser.geekbench.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=8cx+gen+3
[21:41]	TR Bot	 Geekbench Search - Geekbench Browser
[21:41]	psydroid2	https://browser.geekbench.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=ryzen+5300g
[21:41]	TR Bot	 Geekbench Search - Geekbench Browser
[21:41]	TR News	Tech 'progress': "phones" that need to be charged every day instead of once a week and "gaming" console that suffocates for 'juice' after one hour...
[21:41]	psydroid2	it just never made sense for me to jump on the AMD bandwagon over the past few years
[21:42]	schestowitz_TR	I have a new machine with amd athlon
[21:42]	schestowitz_TR	it need a fan
[21:42]	schestowitz_TR	and it's not that fast
[21:42]	schestowitz_TR	it's in some way sloweer than the pi4
[21:42]	psydroid2	that's why I built my last desktop in 2009
[21:42]	psydroid2	I can't stand heat and fan noise
[21:43]	schestowitz_TR	imagine trying to run windows on this thing
[21:43]	psydroid2	it literally gives me a headache
[21:43]	schestowitz_TR	the fan noise I became more aware of when I got rid of x86
[21:43]	schestowitz_TR	and then you can sleep in peace
[21:43]	schestowitz_TR	the CRTs made another kind of noise
[21:43]	psydroid2	that's been my experience
[21:43]	schestowitz_TR	another is magnetic drive
[21:43]	schestowitz_TR	IF it spins
[21:43]	schestowitz_TR	whioch happens with some OSes while idle
[21:44]	schestowitz_TR	those noise might not make a difference iuf you lkive next to a road
[21:45]	schestowitz_TR	sometimes you don't need task monitoring
[21:45]	schestowitz_TR	you can hear the strain
[21:45]	psydroid2	I still see a decreasing role for x86 when it comes to raw performance, but that's mainly based on price/performance for high core counts
[21:45]	schestowitz_TR	with your ears
[21:45]	schestowitz_TR	and it warms up
[21:45]	schestowitz_TR	happened to me some days ago wqhen dolphin maxed up a cpu core
[21:45]	psydroid2	you turn on the machine, do a certain job and switch it off
[21:45]	psydroid2	that's how I use x86 these days
[21:46]	schestowitz_TR	hmmm
[21:46]	schestowitz_TR	cpu scaling might do
[21:47]	TR News	What a hideous headline https://tecadmin.net/what-is-computer-hardware/
[21:47]	TR Bot	 What is Computer Hardware? TecAdmin
[21:48]	psydroid2	what I am wondering about in particular is sales of used hardware
[21:48]	TR News	Surveys are not "research"; 'Linux' Foundation has rebranded marketing as 'research', just like Microsoft... https://linuxfoundation.org/press-release/todo-group-announces-2022-ospo-survey/
[21:48]	TR Bot	 TODO Group Announces 2022 OSPO Survey - Linux Foundation
[21:48]	psydroid2	we will be seeing a lot of used hardware for very low prices over the next few years
[21:49]	psydroid2	so why would you ever buy new if you don't need the latest and greatest?
[21:49]	psydroid2	s/for/at/
[21:50]	TR News	No kidding. This page mentions "clown" like 40 times! https://linuxfoundation.org/press-release/nephio-sees-rapid-growth-as-more-organizations-commit-to-simplify-cloud-native-automation-of-telecom-network-functions/
[21:50]	TR Bot	 Nephio Sees Rapid Growth as More Organizations Commit to Simplify Cloud Native Automation of Telecom Network Functions - Linux Foundation
[21:50]	schestowitz_TR	spare or unwanted stocks can be good too
[21:51]	schestowitz_TR	in outlets
[21:51]	schestowitz_TR	unwanted, returned machines
[21:51]	psydroid2	I expect those to become available as well, of course
[21:51]	schestowitz_TR	that would never run window
[21:51]	schestowitz_TR	sso you get them like half price
[21:51]	psydroid2	even older unsold hardware that they can't really sell at regular prices anymore
[21:52]	TR News	Public Knowledge Policy Counsel Kathleen Burke Receives WifiForward Wi-Fi At Work Award https://publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-policy-counsel-kathleen-burke-receives-wififorward-wi-fi-at-work-award/ they still need to kick out Microsoft (organised crime) from their Board
[21:52]	TR Bot	 Public Knowledge Policy Counsel Kathleen Burke Receives WifiForward Wi-Fi At Work Award - Public Knowledge
[21:53]	TR News	Hey U! pineapple-for-head ;-) https://www.davidrevoy.com/article914/dryad-fan-art
[21:53]	TR Bot	 Dryad (fan-art) - David Revoy
[21:53]	psydroid2	I'm actually waiting for an ARM and/or RISC-V chip that makes all the mainstream x86 hardware before 2020 obsolete from a price/performance/watt perspective
[21:55]	TR News	Debian in Canada https://veronneau.org/montreals-debian-stuff-june-2022.html
[21:55]	TR Bot	 Louis-Philippe Vronneau - Montreal's Debian & Stuff - June 2022
[21:56]	TR News	Steve Kemp: Writing a simple TCL interpreter in golang https://blog.steve.fi/writing_a_simple_tcl_interpreter_in_golang.html
[21:56]	TR Bot	 Writing a simple TCL interpreter in golang
[21:57]	TR News	But "sustainability" is a meaningless buzzword https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252521657/Tech-sector-sustainability-efforts-need-full-ecosystem-approach
[21:57]	TR Bot	 Tech sector sustainability efforts need full ecosystem approach
[21:58]	MinceR	(video) (audio) https://obviousplant.tumblr.com/post/154086173658/introducing-sadness-box
[21:58]	TR Bot	 Obvious Plant Introducing Sadness Box!
[21:58]	TR News	"Software developers must be vigilant in regards to their use of hardware resources. Dedicated hardware is often expensive to buy, run, and maintainand theres only so much room in a data center for extra servers." https://containerjournal.com/features/5-best-practices-when-implementing-a-container-strategy/
[21:58]	TR Bot	 5 Best Practices When Implementing a Container Strategy - Container Journal
[21:59]	schestowitz_TR	psydroid2: <techrights-news> Think Silicon NEOX RISC-V GPU offers 3D graphics or AI acceleration - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/06/20/think-silicon-neox-risc-v-gpu-offer-3d-graphics-or-ai-acceleration/ Source: Linux | GNU | Hardware | cnxsoftware
[21:59]	TR Bot	 Think Silicon NEOX RISC-V GPU offers 3D graphics or AI acceleration - CNX Software
[21:59]	schestowitz_TR	greek
[21:59]	psydroid2	I read about that earlier
● Jun 21
[22:00]	schestowitz_TR	<techrights-news> RISC-V 3D GPU https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/06/15/2462749/0/en/Think-Silicon-to-Unveil-Industry-s-First-RISC-V-3D-GPU-at-Embedded-World-2022.html?s=09
[22:00]	TR Bot	 Think Silicon to Unveil Industrys First RISC-V 3D GPU at
[22:00]	psydroid2	I think RISC-V is great for enabling innovation from more places than before
[22:00]	psydroid2	s/from/in/
[22:00]	MinceR	provided intel lets those places anywhere near RISC-V
[22:01]	TR News	SUSE's Web site compromised, controlled by SAP salespeople instead of SUSE engineers. https://www.suse.com/c/sap-hana-maintenance-suse-clusters/
[22:01]	TR Bot	SAP HANA handshake takeover in SUSE cluster
[22:01]	psydroid2	Intel doesn't have much of a say in this
[22:01]	MinceR	i thought they pushed their tentacles into RISC-V already
[22:02]	psydroid2	they are trying, but the "ecosystem" is vast and consists of many companies and academia
[22:02]	TR News	UK's Digital Strategy https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/uks-digital-strategy making the digital data vanish, so... another 50,000 people die and nobody notices https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/20/abolishing-covid-transparency/
[22:02]	TR Bot	Digital Strategy - GOV.UK
[22:02]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Highest Number of COVID-19 Hospitalisations in Almost 2 Months, So Borisnaro is Rapidly Abolishing the Transparency
[22:03]	TR News	New Digital Strategy to make UK a global tech superpower https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-digital-strategy-to-make-uk-a-global-tech-superpower after Brexit it ain't gonna happen. We're run by a neanderthals regime, like pretty dump Patel and Borisnaro.
[22:03]	TR Bot	Digital Strategy to make UK a global tech superpower - GOV.UK
[22:04]	schestowitz_TR	psydroid2: Intel just spenda a lot of money atm
[22:04]	schestowitz_TR	marketing, salaries to entice back key engineers who quit
[22:04]	schestowitz_TR	Intel is having a run for its life
[22:05]	schestowitz_TR	maybe Phoronix will publish another dozen pieces about CLEAR(LY GOING NOWHERE)Linux)
[22:06]	psydroid2	schestowitz_TR, I met a few they had put in charge of SiFive through Intel Capital investments, but Imagination and StarFive are examples of companies working on their own RISC-V silicon
[22:06]	schestowitz_TR	Apple dumped them
[22:06]	schestowitz_TR	after it had dumped ICBM
[22:06]	schestowitz_TR	the Hollerith company
[22:06]	psydroid2	Intel can't control all companies out there like they could do with x86 or Itanium and the other failed architectures
[22:07]	schestowitz_TR	https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-oneAPI-Blender-3.3-On
[22:07]	TR Bot	Still Hoping To Have oneAPI/SYCL GPU Acceleration In Blender 3.3 - Phoronix
[22:07]	psydroid2	Phoronix is far too positive about AMD's achievements
[22:07]	schestowitz_TR	this is an article topic??
[22:07]	schestowitz_TR	https://developer.blender.org/D15254
[22:07]	TR Bot	 D15254 Cycles: Add support for rendering on Intel GPUs using oneAPI
[22:07]	psydroid2	sure, they are winning big time in a financial sense
[22:07]	schestowitz_TR	wow
[22:08]	schestowitz_TR	from turning single file patches into article
[22:08]	schestowitz_TR	to turning bugf reports into some
[22:08]	psydroid2	but what is actually happening in the market
[22:08]	schestowitz_TR	>One API
[22:08]	schestowitz_TR	=Microsoft
[22:08]	schestowitz_TR	(GitHub)(
[22:09]	psydroid2	also Intel's discrete GPUs are only supposed to work with their own newer platforms
[22:09]	psydroid2	I've never heard of anything like this before
[22:09]	schestowitz_TR	been a month since michael did SINGLE JOB POST articles
[22:09]	schestowitz_TR	one job opening
[22:09]	schestowitz_TR	=one phoronix article
[22:09]	schestowitz_TR	the chip companies have mmillikons of vacancies
[22:10]	schestowitz_TR	<psydroid2> also Intel's discrete GPUs are only supposed to work with their own newer platforms
[22:10]	schestowitz_TR	but they can pull out of the market
[22:10]	schestowitz_TR	like atom and itanium
[22:10]	schestowitz_TR	never get proprietary 
[22:10]	psydroid2	I don't think they will this time
[22:10]	schestowitz_TR	the promises are risky
[22:10]	schestowitz_TR	openmoko was like that
[22:10]	schestowitz_TR	get a phone
[22:10]	schestowitz_TR	and it goes nowhere
[22:10]	psydroid2	because they need GPUs to win HPC and HEY HI contracts
[22:11]	psydroid2	yeah, I didn't even know they tried
[22:12]	psydroid2	only after they had already got out of that market did I find out they had lost billions of dollars trying to compete
[22:12]	TR News	Phoronix cannot find material, so it starts turning BUG reports into ARTICLES.... or, as in here, Microsoft (Proprietary) GitHub tickets into articles https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Vulkan-Mesh-Shaders-Details
[22:12]	TR Bot	Mesh Shaders To Closely Mirror Direct3D 12 Capabilities - Phoronix
[22:15]	TR News	Limine compiled in OpenEmbedded https://bkhome.org/news/202206/limine-compiled-in-openembedded.html
[22:15]	TR Bot	 Limine compiled in OpenEmbedded
[22:16]	TR News	"This is a tutorial to install Unity Desktop Environment on Ubuntu 22.04. This turns back Ubuntu to the previous default experience between the years 2011-2017. Let's turn back Unity!" http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2022/06/ubuntu-unity-jammy-jellyfish.html
[22:16]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu Unity Jammy Jellyfish
[22:16]	TR News	MakuluLinux: Whats Next on our Agenda? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166299
[22:16]	TR Bot	 MakuluLinux: Whats Next on our Agenda? | Tux Machines
[22:16]	TR News	Thread safety support in libsoup3 | Carlos Garcia Campos https://blogs.igalia.com/carlosgc/2022/06/21/thread-safety-support-in-libsoup3/ Source: igalia
[22:16]	TR Bot	 Thread safety support in libsoup3 | Carlos Garcia Campos
[22:19]	TR News	"When importing product inspections, a Linux-based system with NVIDIA GPU runs inspection models for image analysis." https://www.automation.com/en-us/articles/june-2022/case-study-aoi-system-100x-data-transmission?listname=Automation & Control News & Articles
[22:19]	TR Bot	 Case Study: AOI System Through Workload Consolidation Brings 100X Data Transmission Enhancement
[22:21]	TR News	Operation Z. HP calls its Windows crap "Z"... entraps fake 'Ubuntu' inside Linux https://www.gurufocus.com/news/1773168/z-by-hp-powers-todays-professionals-to-create-without-limitation
[22:21]	TR Bot	by HP Powers Today's Profess - GuruFocus.com
[22:22]	TR News	This is GNU, not Linux https://www.networkworld.com/article/3664077/counting-the-days-on-linux.html
[22:22]	TR Bot	 Counting the days on Linux | Network World
[22:28]	TR News	OPI Project aims to standardize DPUs and IPUs for industry adoption http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166292#comment-34092
[22:28]	TR Bot	 Introduction of Open Programmable Infrastructure (OPI) Project | Tux Machines
[22:29]	TR News	Linus Torvalds: After 30 years, Linux is not a dead project Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166300
[22:29]	TR Bot	 Linus Torvalds: After 30 years, Linux is not a dead project | Tux Machines
[22:30]	MinceR	https://64.media.tumblr.com/73947f42ab506ebc6a3c510bd4b01ca0/tumblr_oh5o5omL0x1u53c30o2_1280.jpg
[22:30]	TR News	Linux Foundation does not earn coverage, it buys coverage
[22:31]	XRevan86	https://gajim.org/post/2022-06-21-gajim-1.4.5-released/
[22:31]	TR Bot	 Gajim 1.4.5 - Gajim
[22:32]	TR News	After many years and under the misleading, baseless, false guise of "fighting trolls" OIN is trying to normalise software patents with these patent pools https://thefintechtimes.com/rbc-joins-the-open-invention-network-to-protect-fintech-from-looming-threat-of-patent-trolls/
[22:32]	TR Bot	 RBC Joins the Open Invention Network To Protect Fintech From Looming Threat of Patent Trolls | The Fintech Times
[22:33]	TR News	Diploma mill riding the "Linux" brand https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/500-promising-individuals-worldwide-receive-linux-foundation-it-training--certification-scholarships-301572252.html
[22:33]	TR Bot	 500 Promising Individuals Worldwide Receive Linux Foundation IT Training & Certification Scholarships
[22:34]	AdmFubar	https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/adobe-acrobat-may-block-antivirus-tools-from-monitoring-pdf-files/
[22:35]	TR Bot	 Adobe Acrobat may block antivirus tools from monitoring PDF files
[22:35]	TR News	Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166301
[22:35]	TR Bot	 Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
[22:35]	schestowitz_TR	AdmFubar: windows isue :-)
[22:40]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166302
[22:40]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[22:40]	TR News	IBM/Red Hat and Fedora Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166303
[22:40]	TR Bot	 IBM/Red Hat and Fedora | Tux Machines
[22:42]	TR News	Memfault Adds OTA Update for Embedded Linux - IoT For All https://www.iotforall.com/press-releases/memfault-adds-ota-embedded-linux Source: iotforall
[22:42]	TR Bot	 Memfault Adds OTA Update for Embedded Linux - IoT For All
[22:44]	TR News	Todays Linux Foundation and OIN Fluff Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166304
[22:44]	TR Bot	 Today's Linux Foundation and OIN Fluff | Tux Machines
[22:44]	TR News	Mozilla/Firefox Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166305
[22:44]	TR Bot	 Mozilla/Firefox Leftovers | Tux Machines
[22:47]	TR News	"What source code repository is ethical well it depends on how you define ethics and if you go by what the FSF and GNU have to say well basically nothing is except what they offer themselves." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=JHIdRZTI74o
[22:47]	TR Bot	 GitHub & GitLab Are Awful, What Does The FSF Suggest - Invidious
[22:48]	TR News	"In this backyard boomer vlog, I ramble on about how Linux has become a "normie" operating system. If you have used Linux for a few years (or more), then you have undoubtedly noticed that Linux has gotten so good that it's really...just another operating system." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=eefkRwRJkzw
[22:48]	TR Bot	 Every Linux Distro Is Great! (Every Desktop Environment Too!) - Invidious
[22:49]	TR News	Build Me Up BetterCAP Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166306
[22:49]	TR Bot	 Build Me Up BetterCAP | Tux Machines
[22:49]	TR News	Free Software Directory on IRC: Friday, June 24 starting at 12:00 p.m. EDT (14:00 UTC) https://www.fsf.org/events/free-software-directory-on-irc-friday-june-24-starting-at-12-00-p-m-edt-14-00-utc
[22:49]	TR Bot	 Free Software Directory on IRC: Friday, June 24 starting at 12:00 p.m. EDT (14:00 UTC) Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
[22:54]	TR News	Events: OpenUK, Free Software Directory, and Southern California Linux Expo Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166307
[22:54]	TR Bot	 Events: OpenUK, Free Software Directory, and Southern California Linux Expo | Tux Machines
[22:54]	TR News	Videos: "Normies", GitHub & GitLab, Manjaro 21.3.0 Xfce Edition Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166308
[22:54]	TR Bot	 Videos: "Normies", GitHub & GitLab, Manjaro 21.3.0 Xfce Edition | Tux Machines
[22:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.66 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
● Jun 21
[23:00]	TR News	Agnes Giberne's *The Story of the Sun, Moon, and Stars* (1898) The Public Domain Review https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/story-of-sun-moon-stars/ Source: publicdomainreview
[23:00]	TR Bot	 Agnes Giberne's *The Story of the Sun, Moon, and Stars* (1898) The Public Domain Review
[23:02]	TR News	Manjaro 21.3.0 Is Now Available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166220#comment-34094
[23:02]	TR Bot	 Manjaro 21.3 "Ruah" Brings Refreshed Desktop Environments | Tux Machines
[23:02]	TR News	Linux Around The World: USA - Montana http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165929#comment-34095
[23:02]	TR Bot	 GNU/Linux: Arch Linux, "Linux" Around The World, and Linux Format 290 | Tux Machines
[23:03]	TR News	This high-speed Arduino pen plotter creates drawings in mere minutes | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/06/21/this-high-speed-arduino-pen-plotter-creates-drawings-in-mere-minutes/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking
[23:03]	TR Bot	 This high-speed Arduino pen plotter creates drawings in mere minutes | Arduino Blog
[23:05]	TR News	'Linux' Foundation for Microsoft proxies, spreading Microsoft's FUD http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166295#comment-34096
[23:05]	TR Bot	 Security and FUD Leftovers | Tux Machines
[23:06]	TR News	Jim Zermlin will age fast if he carries on shining Microsoft's boots so hard
[23:07]	TR News	'Linux' Foundation: the voice of Microsoft http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166295#comment-34097
[23:07]	TR Bot	 Security and FUD Leftovers | Tux Machines
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[23:13]	TR News	Open Hardware/Modding: Arduino and RISC-V Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166311
[23:13]	TR Bot	 Open Hardware/Modding: Arduino and RISC-V | Tux Machines
[23:13]	TR News	Devices: Memfault, AOI, amd SolidRun Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166312
[23:13]	TR Bot	 Devices: Memfault, AOI, amd SolidRun | Tux Machines
[23:14]	TR News	Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166313
[23:14]	TR Bot	 Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
[23:20]	TR News	Links 21/06/2022: Lots of Garbage From Linux Foundation | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/21/garbage-from-linux-foundation/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/21/garbage-from-linux-foundation/
[23:20]	TR Bot	 Links 21/06/2022: Lots of Garbage From Linux Foundation | Techrights
[23:20]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166314
[23:20]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[23:22]	MinceR	https://thecodinglove.com/when-i-think-my-hotfix-worked-but-it-crashes-again
[23:22]	TR Bot	 When I think my hotfix worked but it crashes again | The Coding Love - Programmer humor: gifs, memes, jokes
[23:22]	TR News	Todo lists in Vim, syntax highlighting gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/~johngodlee/posts/2022-06-20-todo.gmi
[23:23]	TR News	K-punk haunts gemini 21-06-2022 gemini://subphase.xyz/users/flow/gemlog/31-kpunk-haunts-gemini.gmi
[23:29]		*gorq (~b9dc650c@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights
[23:30]	gorq	https://www.itpro.co.uk/operating-systems/microsoft-windows/368320/microsoft-reportedly-blocks-russian-windows-10-and-11
[23:31]	TR Bot	 Microsoft reportedly blocks Russian Windows 10 and Windows 11 downloads | IT PRO
[23:31]	gorq	the ear of the linux desktop has finally arrived
[23:33]	XRevan86	Still occuring, don't particularly care.
[23:41]	MinceR	people in russia can download MICROS~1's and ibm's other OS, fedora, instead
[23:49]	gorq	fedora is linux desktop
[23:49]	MinceR	yeah
[23:49]	MinceR	systemd/Linux distribution
[23:50]	gorq	refhat is the mother of all linux desktop
[23:50]	MinceR	made from Linux (controlled by the Linux-Destroying Foundation, owned by corporations like MICROS~1 and ibm), systemd (controlled by ibm and based on MICROS~1 design principles), gnome (also controlled by ibm) and a few bits they're trying to throw away already
[23:50]	MinceR	ibm owns redhat
[23:50]	MinceR	https://cloudblogs.microsoft.com/uploads/prod/sites/37/2016/04/Tshirts-2-1024x647.jpg
[23:54]	gorq	do you think users are changing back to bash from zsh because of the Z?
[23:55]	gorq	also ZSH sounds like a shell to run closed sourced binaries
[23:55]	MinceR	lol
[23:55]	MinceR	i haven't heard about that, and i'm certainly not planning to do that
[23:56]	gorq	so you use ZSH
[23:56]	MinceR	i do
[23:58]	gorq	you run binaries using sh "binary"
[23:59]	gorq	or ./ "binary" ?