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[00:00]	schestowitz	I posted his response in techrights
[00:00]	MinceR	when?
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[00:00]	MinceR	their enemies are waiting for the best moment to silence them
[00:00]		*XRevan86 wondered if MinceR has a more important point to make other than an IRC network of choice.
[00:00]	XRevan86	There's always systemd.
[00:01]	activelow	situation is, i do not want win3.11 win95 or any vista for very specific reasons. and those same reasons apply to almost all gnu/linux systems too
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[00:02]	activelow	if video-decoding required any proprietary GPU (and ALL of them are, at hardware level), then i rather chose to not watch any videos at all than be brainwashed into thinking it was free and open source systems
[00:03]	schestowitz	[00:00] <MinceR> when?
[00:03]	schestowitz	hang on...
[00:04]	schestowitz	MinceR: http://techrights.org/2021/06/13/gemini-ipfs-and-irc/
[00:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Update on Gemini, IPFS, and IRC | Techrights
[00:04]	schestowitz	his reply to 
[00:04]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2021/06/12/fsf-irc-channels/
[00:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Open Letter to the FSF About Taking Control of the FSFs (and GNUs) IRC Channels | Techrights
[00:08]	MinceR	thx
[00:09]	MinceR	XRevan86: FSF did not maneuver itself into a disaster regarding systemd, they merely abandoned their mission
[00:10]	schestowitz	ibm an redhat paud
[00:10]	schestowitz	fsf played safe
[00:10]	schestowitz	the treasurer is now FSF president
[00:11]	XRevan86	MinceR: Any second now.
[00:11]	schestowitz	awesome person btw
[00:11]	schestowitz	but... he had priorities to juggle
[00:16]	activelow	video decoding into an X11 buffer without opengl fails
[00:16]	activelow	maybe framebuffer is possible without any GPU voodoo
[00:16]	schestowitz	https://lwn.net/Articles/866909/rss
[00:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Villa: Setting new expectations for open source maintainers [LWN.net]
[00:16]	schestowitz	red hat corporate shilling
[00:16]	schestowitz	villa/moz/red hat founders
[00:16]	schestowitz	"maintainers"
[00:16]	activelow	i mean, a pentium-150 already could render PAL-resolution video, let me do some calculus
[00:17]	schestowitz	they have a new name for community
[00:17]	schestowitz	"maintainers"
[00:17]	schestowitz	servants
[00:17]	schestowitz	slaves
[00:17]	schestowitz	for corporations
[00:17]	activelow	i mean, a pentium-150 already could render PAL-resolution video, i'll calculate a little... moment
[00:17]	schestowitz	with a shallow facade of "inclusion"
[00:18]	schestowitz	they certainly think their "slaves" are that stupid
[00:18]	schestowitz	and when the "slaves" speak out they accuse them of "isms"
[00:18]	schestowitz	when fronting or presenting themselves with "diversity" 'managers'
[00:18]	schestowitz	controlled by the Board
[00:18]	schestowitz	disgusting
[00:19]	schestowitz	it was not like this when GNU started
[00:19]	schestowitz	now a bunch of greedy businessmen change all the words 
[00:19]	schestowitz	hackers are "maintainers"
[00:19]	schestowitz	unpaid volunteers
[00:19]	schestowitz	IBM staff is "community"
[00:20]	activelow	DVD/PAL resolution was 576x480, FullHD is 1920x1080, approximately 8x the amount of bandwidth required, and given 1.2GHz is roughly 8x the performance of a pentium-150
[00:20]	activelow	and, true full-hd is rarely required
[00:20]	schestowitz	if RMS speaks out about this they will accuse him of eating babies
[00:20]	schestowitz	they also flang "Epstein at him
[00:20]	schestowitz	when the real scandal was MIT/Gates
[00:21]	schestowitz	then, in March, they try a whole bunch of isms
[00:21]	schestowitz	and it blow in their faces
[00:21]	schestowitz	Bully The Blank became the "fall man"
[00:21]	activelow	something is broken in X11 graphics stack, somehow no direct access to hardware, screwed buffering
[00:21]	schestowitz	GNOME Foundation had her fall on a sword
[00:22]	schestowitz	corporattions throwing people under the busy
[00:22]	schestowitz	*bus
[00:22]	schestowitz	people who foolishly think they'll end up on top of the end
[00:22]	schestowitz	not the top of Chris Lamb's groin
[00:23]	schestowitz	sacrificial lambs
[00:23]	schestowitz	on the record, I don't think BUlly DB is a horrible person
[00:23]	schestowitz	just misguided and opportunistic
[00:23]	schestowitz	with bipolar disorder, which she publicly admits, she wrongly assumed she'd end p revered and famous
[00:23]	schestowitz	the opposite happened
[00:24]	schestowitz	like 'prince' Lee
[00:24]	schestowitz	who deluded himself into thinking he was creating a new world of kingdom of empire
[00:24]	schestowitz	total crackpot
[00:24]	activelow	what empire? a GPU bitcoin mining paradise?
[00:25]	schestowitz	he's into crackpotcoin too
[00:25]	activelow	tbh, i do not know
[00:25]	schestowitz	'crypto'charlatans
[00:25]	schestowitz	"I'm a billionaire.... I have a pile of hard drives to prove my "wealth"..."
[00:26]	activelow	since i was talking about the GPU crap, this is a trillion dollar business
[00:26]	schestowitz	yes, well... many drives and GPUs sell because of this global-warming crap
[00:26]	schestowitz	solving useless equation
[00:26]	schestowitz	to 'mint' supposed currency
[00:26]	schestowitz	which few actually accept as a barter
[00:26]	schestowitz	and fewer over time
[00:26]	schestowitz	some whole nations ban it
[00:27]	schestowitz	the wold's biggest nations, e.g. china and india
[00:27]	schestowitz	like 3 billion people
[00:27]	schestowitz	whether this is justified or not is another matter
[00:27]	schestowitz	practicality and pragmatism
[00:28]	schestowitz	like Mr. Lee crazily thinking N Korea AND South Korea would laid die their weapons and welcome him as kind of some unified nation
[00:28]	activelow	tbh again, occasionally i like to play a video game, but i do not see the benefit of GPUs/OpenGL
[00:28]	schestowitz	I guess drugs can change a person's perspective
[00:28]	schestowitz	activelow: good games don't rely on fancy graphics
[00:28]	schestowitz	gameplay was sacrificed back in the 90s
[00:29]	schestowitz	I'd rather play Monkey Island than Max Payne
[00:29]	activelow	GPU-acceleration is a leftover from times when CPUs were not powerful enough, and the software/CPU path wasn't optimized anymore
[00:29]	schestowitz	and... I MIGHT even learn something
[00:29]	schestowitz	activelow: it's like SGI machines in your box
[00:29]	schestowitz	the people who did Silicon Graphics, Cray etc.
[00:30]	schestowitz	doing the same at micro level
[00:30]	activelow	and, it is a trillion dollar business now, to sell electronic waste
[00:30]	schestowitz	on transistors that are more energy-efficient
[00:30]	schestowitz	activelow: exactly!
[00:30]	schestowitz	also to suck iup tons of power
[00:30]	schestowitz	which mostly turns into heat afaik
[00:31]	schestowitz	unlike with fanless machines
[00:31]	activelow	schestowitz: it is both efficience and economy, GPUs are NOT economic, most require 150Watts ore more for the GPU alone
[00:31]	schestowitz	like my fanless laptop and SBC
[00:31]	schestowitz	no fans on these... no need!
[00:32]	schestowitz	people have come to expect heat sinks and big fans in laptops
[00:32]	schestowitz	and when it heat up too much the laptops throttle the CPU or shut down to save themselves from melting
[00:32]	schestowitz	bad design
[00:32]	schestowitz	bye, x86
[00:32]	activelow	early x86 systems (i386) rarely required any heatsink, or tiny ones only
[00:33]	schestowitz	to write articles and read aricles (gemini, no JS) you don't need fans
[00:33]	schestowitz	today's articles I wrote outdoors on an arm laptop
[00:33]	activelow	neither for games, "HPC"
[00:33]	activelow	that's the irony, and the entire industry had to cut down more than 90% at that front alone
[00:33]	activelow	to rediscover the benefits of capitalism and economic behaviour
[00:34]	schestowitz	Google Stadia
[00:34]	MinceR	21 012326 <~schestowitz> just misguided and opportunistic
[00:34]	MinceR	21 012350 <~schestowitz> with bipolar disorder, which she publicly admits, she wrongly assumed she'd end p revered and famous
[00:34]	schestowitz	who needs PC buses
[00:34]	MinceR	sounds like a horrible person to me
[00:34]	schestowitz	let the Cisco et al routers pass some screen output
[00:34]	schestowitz	from multi GPU server farms
[00:34]	schestowitz	that burn the planet
[00:35]	MinceR	21 012909 <~schestowitz> I'd rather play Monkey Island than Max Payne
[00:35]	MinceR	i prefer doom 2 to both :>
[00:35]	schestowitz	doom 2 was energy efficient
[00:35]	schestowitz	it had to be
[00:35]	schestowitz	machines like 200mhz=mmx
[00:35]	schestowitz	no gpu
[00:35]	MinceR	it also had a great concept and a great design
[00:36]	MinceR	much of which was later forgotten, sadly
[00:36]	schestowitz	I still have the doom2 executable on some drivers
[00:36]	schestowitz	activelow: yes, same for the web
[00:36]	schestowitz	give more hardware capacity
[00:36]	schestowitz	and then they quit coding properly
[00:36]	schestowitz	"works fine for me"
[00:36]	schestowitz	"why don't you buy a NEW computer, what are you, stingy?"
[00:37]	schestowitz	"CNN loads fast for me"
[00:37]	schestowitz	all 9-18 codes load it in less than 5 seconds
[00:37]	schestowitz	*cores
[00:38]	kingoffrance	"3d game engine in just 10 lines of javascript"  (ignore browser, os, drivers, ...)    its kind of marketed that way
[00:38]	kingoffrance	i mean, theirs "articles" like that, just count the lines i show you, dont count actual total lines needed
[00:38]	kingoffrance	*they're
[00:39]	kingoffrance	i know what they mean, a high level api, but doesnt help
[00:39]	kingoffrance	*there are 
[00:39]	schestowitz	one line of code for DOOM
[00:39]	kingoffrance	yes,   main()
[00:40]	schestowitz	C:\>> DOOM2.EXE
[00:40]	schestowitz	I am hax0r
[00:40]	kingoffrance	lol   that another reason its silly, you are supposed to sort of factor that way anyways to avoid spaghetti code
[00:41]	schestowitz	matlab has tons of that crap
[00:41]	schestowitz	many high--level APIs
[00:41]	schestowitz	hiding all the (IIRC) c code below... PROPRIETARY crap
[00:45]	activelow	prboom is opensource
[00:45]	activelow	not sure about the level design tools
[00:46]	MinceR	some of them are free software
[00:46]	MinceR	like Eureka
[00:48]	activelow	another advice: no GPU, no opengl, no "acceleration", drop all of what depends on it
[00:48]	schestowitz-TR	kde also?
[00:48]	schestowitz-TR	plasma?
[00:48]	activelow	sadly, video decoding without opengl is broken
[00:48]	activelow	schestowitz-TR: KDE does not require opengl
[00:48]	activelow	but KDE is a C++ monstrosity
[00:48]	schestowitz-TR	not requiring it strictly
[00:49]	MinceR	also, DEU and probably its descendants as well
[00:49]	schestowitz-TR	but the compositor makes use of it if enabled
[00:49]	MinceR	(Eureka is a DEU descendant too)
[00:49]	schestowitz-TR	support xrender, opengl2, and 3.1
[00:49]	activelow	i was thinking already to ditch X11 entirely
[00:49]	schestowitz-TR	then use what?
[00:49]	schestowitz-TR	wayland is even worse
[00:50]	activelow	framebuffer
[00:50]	schestowitz-TR	its steards and features
[00:50]	schestowitz-TR	*stewards
[00:50]	activelow	gtk is possible on framebuffer too
[00:50]	activelow	chances are, netsurf browser could work on framebuffer without x11
[00:50]	schestowitz-TR	what about framebuffer over ssh?
[00:50]	schestowitz-TR	or another transport layer?
[00:50]	MinceR	links2 works on something like that too, iirc
[00:51]	activelow	schestowitz-TR: pardon?
[00:51]	schestowitz-TR	you cannot get very far application support-wise without x
[00:51]	schestowitz-TR	activelow: ssh -X
[00:51]	activelow	framebuffer is the API exposed by kernel for direct hardware access, without any X-api in between
[00:51]	schestowitz-TR	and then also barrier and synergy
[00:51]	schestowitz-TR	you would end up with too primitive a setup
[00:51]	activelow	X11 isn't directly related to framebuffer, framebuffer is a kernel thing
[00:51]	schestowitz-TR	even RMS uses x and epiphany iirc
[00:52]	schestowitz-TR	x11 is an interface to it
[00:52]	schestowitz-TR	an efficient and robust one
[00:52]	schestowitz-TR	40 years to mature almost
[00:52]	activelow	ok, only responded to the idea to with SSH involved, since what is transported over ssh is X11 protocol, and not framebuffer
[00:53]	activelow	not saying X11 is bad, but i do NOT want to depend on it with anything i do
[00:53]	schestowitz-TR	that takes us way to far backwards
[00:53]	schestowitz-TR	technological primitivism
[00:53]	schestowitz-TR	not even figosdev went this far
[00:53]	MinceR	not wanting to depend on anything leads to code duplication and poorly designed architecture
[00:53]	schestowitz-TR	he just wanted to remove all stuff with shithub deps
[00:53]	activelow	MinceR: i refered to X11
[00:54]	activelow	and the history of it and the persons involved is noteworthy too, since it was DEC staff which developed both X11, and went to microsoft
[00:54]	MinceR	i see, but the more steps you take like that, the more painful it will get
[00:54]	schestowitz-TR	you want to writ directly to framebuffer?
[00:54]	schestowitz-TR	if so, which graphics driver?
[00:54]	MinceR	strange
[00:54]	schestowitz-TR	what motherboard?
[00:54]	schestowitz-TR	what screen port?
[00:54]	activelow	not at all MinceR 
[00:54]	MinceR	how did that DEC staff forget everything they knew?
[00:54]	schestowitz-TR	vga?
[00:54]	activelow	yes VGA! very good argument, HDMI is crap.
[00:55]	schestowitz-TR	I have one unused vga screen... cannot find adapter for it, for now...
[00:55]	MinceR	it's like hardly anyone has the understanding that led to X existing
[00:55]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2020/09/18/keith-packard-on-rms/
[00:55]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Keith Packard: Richard Stallman Was Right (About the GPL) | Techrights
[00:58]	activelow	at least, i'll verify if video-out on framebuffer is possible without any "acceleration" and proprietary hardware/software
[00:58]	schestowitz	ftr/o[n]tr:
[00:59]	schestowitz	even openbsd gives x
[00:59]	schestowitz	startx
[00:59]	activelow	and, chances are, framebuffer console performanc will be superior to anything withing X11
[00:59]	schestowitz	and openbsd is very strict
[00:59]	activelow	openbsd didn't permit it, they implemented Xenocara
[00:59]	schestowitz	so use that
[00:59]	MinceR	it's great that they implemented it
[00:59]	MinceR	chances are it might survive x.org
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[01:01]	techrights-news	[Meme] Companies Don't Get to Define What They Are (We Need to Check and Verify) http://techrights.org/2021/08/20/defining-oneself-with-pr/ The fictional idea of "liberal" press and "liberal" tech companies... #deception #marketing #factChecking #ibm #microsoft
[01:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Companies Dont Get to Define What They Are (We Need to Check and Verify) | Techrights
[01:01]	techrights-news	Linux overview | Zorin OS 16 core - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=SqAISUFTYLg #video #invidious
[01:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Linux overview | Zorin OS 16 core - Invidious
[01:02]	techrights-news	Is #Proton an emulator? - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Budl40WgkA0 #video #invidious
[01:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Is Proton an emulator? - Invidious
[01:03]	techrights-news	Vote in the #Ubuntu 21.10 wallpaper competition https://ubuntu.com//blog/vote-in-the-ubuntu-21-10-wallpaper-competition
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[01:05]	techrights-news	#cat from MinceR https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2021/07/19/45ad82c003be65f7.mp4
[01:07]	techrights-news	#freesw ... when one site goes down and the source code is free, someone will clone it https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007027.html
[01:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | proxy.vulpes.one is broken
[01:07]	techrights-news	#ibm #layoffs "I think IBM (as well as many others) is banking on the short-term corporate memory to engage them again and again: where the C-suite is changing on a 12-18 months basis" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cpDYTRw
[01:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | What's left of the once great IBM brand? - post regarding IBM layoffs
[01:08]	techrights-news	"OpenShift is not even an #IBM brand... it is a #RedHat brand, but that is OK because ... most customers don't want to touch #OpenShift . Why would they? When #Kubernetes is free!" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cpDYTRw
[01:09]	techrights-ipfs-bot	   IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.65   IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 20.16 swarm size (avg): 268.68  
[01:09]	techrights-news	" #IBM doesn't even use Watson for RAs lol - there was a retention patent they gloated a few years ago that will never be implemented. Its antiquated excel spreadsheets run by bean counters executed top down" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cpmRROA
[01:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM should get into official business of RA - post regarding IBM layoffs
[01:09]	activelow	mistake, OpenBSD forked x11, of cause it isn't a re-implementation
[01:10]	techrights-news	"The people running IBM brand are even a joke now. TYs team has gone to sh1t and they do nothing other than excerpt their arrogance." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cpDYTRw
[01:10]	techrights-news	#FSF Meeting every Friday: Help us update the Free Software Directory https://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/meeting-every-friday-help-us-update-the-free-software-directory #gnu #irc
[01:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Meeting every Friday: Help us update the Free Software Directory Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
[01:17]	techrights-news	Recent 'articles' about #unitarypatent or #upc aren't legal advice but an aggressive and ongoing #lobbying campaign against the law. If some practising firms are midled by this lobbying campaign, the #patent #litigation profiteers will profit from their own lies while undermining constitutions
[01:17]	techrights-news	Imperialistic Blacklist Machines: Racist #IBM and #RedHat Just Like Donald Trump Have Turned #Fedora Into an Utterly Racist Project That Blacklists, Shuns and Permanently Bans People Based on Their Nationality Alone http://techrights.org/2021/08/20/we-build-fedora-and-then-ibm-blacklists-us/ http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM #ibmboycottn
[01:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Imperialistic Blacklist Machines: Racist IBM and Red Hat Just Like Donald Trump Have Turned Fedora Into an Utterly Racist Project That Blacklists, Shuns and Permanently Bans People Based on Their Nationality Alone | Techrights
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[01:24]	techrights-news	"Is it possible that someone still believes that #IBM cares so much about employees that it gives red flags to prepare them for layoffs? " https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cqi7ooS
[01:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Always be prepared - post regarding IBM layoffs
[01:25]	techrights-news	#layoffs at #IBM "It is something that everyone knows, one should be always ready, however, there are still people who are surprised by layoffs. Some people who got laid off told me that there were no indications at all that they could be cut." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cqi7ooS
[01:28]	techrights-news	Days ago we were in the 'dirtiest' area in #manchester in terms of new #covid19 cases. Thankfully we're no longer painted as such (outlier), but it is still risky out there. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map/cases
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[01:29]	techrights-news	"You have fun being fired with no package, no warning, and no recourse." #ibm #layofs #covid19 https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1ckezhiq#replies http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/ibm-and-rms-incompatible/
[01:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM to allow only fully vaccinated to return to U.S. offices from September 7 - post regarding IBM layoffs
[01:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM and RMS Are Not Compatible | Techrights
[01:30]	techrights-news	"At this point #IBM has only three working business units: Finance - make all the decisions even though they don't understand the business; Legal - says No to things because saying Yes could be risky for them; HR - protects the company from the employees and administers RAs' https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1c5TfOLE#replies
[01:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | How do some people manage to escape responsibility just like that? - post regarding IBM layoffs
[01:31]	techrights-news	"Seriously, what does a people manager do? The ones I've seen have no technical ability and no clue of their employees day to day." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1c5TfOLE#replies
[01:32]	techrights-news	"If you are going to a competitor, don't tell them if you want to stay for the 2 weeks and get paid. Otherwise, they can let you go almost immediately without pay for those 2 weeks. Lesson learned!" #ibm #exodus https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cpRivYC#replies
[01:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Exiting IBM Tips - post regarding IBM layoffs
[01:33]	techrights-news	#ibm #layoffs "Expertise in sociopathy . Then the world of corporate cesspools are your oyster." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cobxvuh#replies
[01:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Any career upsides at IBM? - post regarding IBM layoffs
[01:33]	techrights-news	Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154733 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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[01:33]	techrights-news	10 Things to Do After Installing elementary OS 6 Odin http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154732 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
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[01:33]	techrights-news	Links 20/8/2021: Reasons to Switch From Windows to GNU/Linux, Release of OpenSSH 8.7 http://techrights.org/2021/08/20/release-of-openssh-8-7/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/20/release-of-openssh-8-7/
[01:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 20/8/2021: Reasons to Switch From Windows to GNU/Linux, Release of OpenSSH 8.7 | Techrights
[01:34]	techrights-news	#ibm #layoffs that LOUSY 'media' is NOT reporting on!! "Can confirm that 60% - 70% of U.S. marketing team laid off this week. Looks like a large consultancy is advising them on this." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/184dZszC#replies
[01:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM Layoffs 2021 - post regarding IBM layoffs
[01:36]	techrights-news	" #IBM has a way of relentlessly refusing to utilize the true strength of their workforce. Reducing people to resources. What could go wrong. Disgusting virtue signalling evil top leadership." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cpB00fq#replies
[01:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Do you know anyone who regreted leaving IBM? - post regarding IBM layoffs
[01:37]	techrights-news	"you can slip a pro- #IBM c-level executive from one of the corrupt consultancies. In my view, this has worked well but i wonder if it will work once you have gone through the whole ecosystem and burned everything." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cpDYTRw#replies
[01:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | What's left of the once great IBM brand? - post regarding IBM layoffs
[01:38]	techrights-news	Remember that #novell was destroyed by a person from #ibm (Ron), who gave the company to #microsoft http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Ron_Hovsepian
[01:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Ron Hovsepian - Techrights
[01:39]	schestowitz	https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cp1eEaZ#replies
[01:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | USA Marketing RAs today - post regarding IBM layoffs
[01:39]	schestowitz	"Yeah cause if you can't be a top 5 company you should just quit... This old chestnut."
[01:39]	techrights-news	MATE Desktop 1.26 Released After 18 Month of Development http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154658#comment-30641 #gnu #linux #gnome
[01:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | MATE 1.26 released | Tux Machines
[01:40]	techrights-news	#Games : Deflection, Chronicon, and Proton http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154726 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Deflection, Chronicon, and Proton | Tux Machines
[01:40]	techrights-news	#openSUSE #Tumbleweed Review of Weeks 2021/32 & 33 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154712#comment-30642 #suse #gnu #linux
[01:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tumbleweed Fast Forwards with KDE Gear, Frameworks Updates | Tux Machines
[01:41]	techrights-news	#Ubuntu : The 21.10 Wallpaper Competition, Snap Usage Metrics, and More HowTos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154727 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu: The 21.10 Wallpaper Competition, Snap Usage Metrics, and More HowTos | Tux Machines
[01:41]	techrights-news	#OpenSSH 8.7 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154728 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenSSH 8.7 released | Tux Machines
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[01:43]	techrights-news	"Its sad to say this but #IBM has brought overt #racism to Free software, including #Fedora ." #redhat #intolerance http://techrights.org/2021/08/20/we-build-fedora-and-then-ibm-blacklists-us/
[01:46]	techrights-news	#Proton 6.3-6 Adds Support for Blood of Steel, Guardians VR, and Many Other Games http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154736 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proton 6.3-6 Adds Support for Blood of Steel, Guardians VR, and Many Other Games | Tux Machines
[01:46]	techrights-news	#FreeSoftware NOT as in `free speech,` NOR as in `free beer` http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154729 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software NOT as in `free speech,` NOR as in `free beer` | Tux Machines
[01:46]	techrights-news	Quick App Launcher #Ulauncher Has New Beta Release Which Fixes Crashes Due To #GTK4 Incompatibility, Improves Fuzzy Matching http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154735
[01:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Quick App Launcher Ulauncher Has New Beta Release Which Fixes Crashes Due To GTK4 Incompatibility, Improves Fuzzy Matching | Tux Machines
[01:47]	techrights-news	8 Reasons to Switch from Windows to Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154730 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 8 Reasons to Switch from Windows to Linux | Tux Machines
[01:47]	techrights-news	#AMD : SEV-SNP, Free Software (or "Open-Source") Portal, and More Kernel Work http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154734 #GPL #Hardware #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD: SEV-SNP, Free Software (or "Open-Source") Portal, and More Kernel Work | Tux Machines
[01:49]	techrights-news	#IBM is NOT (!!!) what it tells you to it is. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=IBM
[01:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM - Techrights
[01:49]	techrights-news	In the age of slush funds-level PR (marketing budget set aside, or money that buys puff pieces in the cheap/corruptible media) ordinary people need to be careful and actually check if we're told the truth about the companies http://techrights.org/2021/08/20/defining-oneself-with-pr/
[01:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Companies Dont Get to Define What They Are (We Need to Check and Verify) | Techrights
[01:50]	MinceR	a fork is fine, as long as it can be maintained by OpenBSD
[01:51]	techrights-news	The ethnic-cleansing #IBM has brought overt #racism to Free software, showing that nothing has truly changed since its dark past with Nazi Germany (or the Nazi Party) as its second-largest client http://techrights.org/2021/08/20/we-build-fedora-and-then-ibm-blacklists-us/
[01:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Imperialistic Blacklist Machines: Racist IBM and Red Hat Just Like Donald Trump Have Turned Fedora Into an Utterly Racist Project That Blacklists, Shuns and Permanently Bans People Based on Their Nationality Alone | Techrights
[01:53]	schestowitz	in techrights.org over http should I make gemini:// links clickable?
[01:53]	schestowitz	is that considered good practice?
[01:54]	schestowitz	only on systems that have gemini clients and system-wide protocol association (like lagrange in kde; not sure about other combinations) will such links actually do something valuable inside a Web browser
[01:54]	MinceR	it's probably a good idea, as it's possible to configure some web browsers to launch a helper application with some URL schemas
[01:54]	schestowitz	OK, I will amend
[01:54]	schestowitz	maybe with some colour schem
[01:54]	MinceR	it's also easier to copy a link that way, as you don't need to select it
[01:54]	schestowitz	schema
[01:55]	schestowitz	MinceR: OK, let me have a go at it...... should take a few mins
[01:55]	schestowitz	maybe add an icon? don't want to add another image/object to each page tbh
[01:58]	MinceR	maybe it's doable with unicode
● Aug 21
[02:00]	schestowitz-TR	yeah, I was thinking that
[02:00]	schestowitz-TR	another idea
[02:00]	schestowitz-TR	(which I had while I was falling asleep, did not think this through)
[02:01]	schestowitz-TR	what if we embed in page the gemini version? using a web proxy...
[02:01]	MinceR	it would make the page heavier and ping the proxy
[02:02]	schestowitz-TR	yes, a privacy situation I thought about
[02:02]	MinceR	and wouldn't include any extra content, unless you want to get rid of the web version
[02:03]	schestowitz-TR	ok, try any page now
[02:03]	schestowitz-TR	in firefox is now suggests opening in largance
[02:03]	schestowitz-TR	it also automatically redirects to a web proxy -- part of a firefox extension
[02:04]	schestowitz-TR	I can create a hard link for a web proxy
[02:06]	activelow	IBM and Microsoft hacked and slayed each other too, at the times of DOS era already
[02:06]	schestowitz-TR	this would give visibility to the articles canonicals in gemini
[02:07]	schestowitz-TR	over web proxy
[02:07]	AdmFubar	https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/major-uk-science-funder-require-grantees-make-papers-immediately-free-all
[02:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sciencemag.org | Major U.K. science funder to require grantees to make papers immediately free to all | Science | AAAS
[02:07]	schestowitz-TR	but it's ok, we don't mind, we don't sell ads and other shit
[02:07]	schestowitz-TR	AdmFubar: good
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[02:09]	AdmFubar	https://anonymousplanet.org/guide.html
[02:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-anonymousplanet.org | The Hitchhikers Guide to Online Anonymity | The Hitchhikers Guide to Online Anonymity
[02:15]	activelow	"source code for MS-DOS 1.25 and 2.0 ... other versions could not be open-sourced due to third-party licensing restrictions"
[02:16]	schestowitz	 style="width:470px; height:450px; border:4px double gray; box-shadow: 5px 5px 5px #222;"
[02:16]	schestowitz	that should work...
[02:17]	activelow	seems ms was eager to dispose DOS and follow the OpenVMS team from DEC, while IBM favored OS/2
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[02:19]	MinceR	21 030307 < schestowitz-TR> ok, try any page now
[02:19]	MinceR	works for me, if in a circuitous way
[02:19]	schestowitz-TR	I still make further changes
[02:19]	MinceR	(starts xdg-open, which starts firefox, which asks me which of my gemini browsers do i want to use)
[02:19]	schestowitz-TR	to remove old clutter
[02:19]	MinceR	kristall complains though, it says the certificate changed
[02:19]	schestowitz-TR	like the link to Free Software Daily -- a site long dead... almost a decade now
[02:22]	activelow	seems to me Vista11 is a fork from OpenVMS still: https://web.archive.org/web/20171028043200/http://h41379.www4.hpe.com/wizard/wiz_2993.html
[02:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | OpenVMS ask the wizard - Access to OpenVMS Source Code?
[02:22]	AdmFubar	https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/linux-foundation-unveils-sigstore-a-lets-encrypt-for-code-signing/
[02:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Linux Foundation unveils Sigstore a Let's Encrypt for code signing
[02:22]	MinceR	VMS pretending to be DOS
[02:26]	activelow	c:\> was reason enough to avoid DOS, horrible design choice, but at that time common consumer equipment was equipped with it
[02:27]	activelow	had not seen any east-german variant of that nonsense, Robotron offered some DOS clone in late 80s
[02:28]		*activelow departs to #techpol
[02:28]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: try again now
[02:28]	activelow	AdmFubar: sorry
[02:28]	schestowitz-TR	(please)
[02:28]	MinceR	kristall still complains
[02:28]	AdmFubar	https://news.trust.org/item/20210820080622-5wjww/
[02:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.trust.org | Afghan panic over digital history spurs data collection rethink
[02:29]	AdmFubar	https://www.accessnow.org/to-protect-human-rights-identify-and-disrupt-australias-hacking-bill/
[02:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.accessnow.org | To protect human rights, identify and disrupt Australias hacking Bill - Access Now
[02:30]	schestowitz	MinceR: how to improve it?
[02:30]	MinceR	dunno, i'm hardly proficient in gemini
[02:30]	MinceR	i can just tell kristall to stop trusting that certificate and trust the new one instead
[02:31]	MinceR	the question is, did it really change or am i being MITM-ed?
[02:31]	AdmFubar	https://www.newsobserver.com/news/article253640473.html
[02:33]	techrights-news	"If you're a power IRC user or like to get indepth, Kiwi now uses the raw IRC protocol directly in the browser." http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-200821.html#tAug%2020%2006:18:36
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[02:36]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: yes, it did change
[02:36]	schestowitz-TR	in fact, one client of mine refuses to accept any changes in certs
[02:36]	MinceR	ah, ok
[02:36]	schestowitz-TR	which is dumb
[02:36]	techrights-news	***    *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-200821.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-200821.txt Read the log now...
[02:36]	schestowitz-TR	but that client is an alpha version
[02:37]	schestowitz-TR	even flushing out all cache and  settings in it did not help
[02:37]	schestowitz-TR	moonlander is the application,, gtk-based
[02:37]	MinceR	now it says "resource not found" instead
[02:37]	schestowitz-TR	ah, try older articles
[02:37]	MinceR	the main page works though
[02:37]	schestowitz-TR	it can take up to 3 hours to make a gemini page 
[02:37]	techrights-news	***    *** Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-200821.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-200821.txt Read the log now...
[02:37]	schestowitz-TR	unless I run it manually
[02:38]	schestowitz	roy@vonick:~$ ./tr-remote-gemini-cron-updater
[02:38]	schestowitz	Updating Gemini via RSS
[02:38]	schestowitz	Success
[02:38]	schestowitz	Press Return to Exit
[02:38]	schestowitz	it'll be ready for all latest posts in a few minutes
[02:38]	techrights-news	***    *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-200821.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-200821.txt Read the log now...
[02:38]	schestowitz	I need to see if daily bulletins broke because of the latest changes below posts
[02:39]	MinceR	works on old article
[02:39]	schestowitz-TR	cool!
[02:39]	techrights-news	***    *** Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-200821.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-200821.txt Read the log now...
[02:41]	techrights-news	*** *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-08-20.txt
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[02:42]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: I need your opinin:
[02:42]	schestowitz-TR	dividers between the sections below posts
[02:42]	schestowitz-TR	like fancy horizontal line, would that help reduce clutter?
[02:43]	schestowitz-TR	right now it's just headings and text
[02:43]	schestowitz-TR	in 31,000+ blog posts
[02:43]	schestowitz-TR	also, not sure how to signify gemini and get people to take gemini for a spin
[02:45]	psydruid	> now, imagine this, a TV-box for 44Euros is sufficiently powerful to serve as high-performance unix workstation
[02:45]	psydruid	I have a few of those TV boxes here, I should try to get a proper distribution booting on one of those
[02:45]	schestowitz-TR	there is also the possibility of adding a button next to all headlines with some icon for gemini version
[02:45]	schestowitz-TR	but I doubt many people (YET) have a gemini client set up
[02:47]	schestowitz-TR	(ok, the bulletin for the day worked ok; i didn't break THAT, at least...)
[02:47]	schestowitz-TR	psydruid: what are your thoughts?
[02:47]	schestowitz-TR	we try to make irc and gemini more accessible
[02:47]	schestowitz-TR	go to any recent post and scroll down to the bottom parts
[02:48]	schestowitz-TR	we need to 'modernise' things a bit for ease
[02:49]	MinceR	21 034243 < schestowitz-TR> dividers between the sections below posts
[02:49]	MinceR	is that html, gemini or both?
[02:49]	schestowitz-TR	well, all the H2 headlines
[02:49]	schestowitz-TR	headings rather
[02:49]	schestowitz-TR	I could instead use some unicode
[02:50]	schestowitz-TR	(or both)
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[02:51]	MinceR	i think putting dividers above h2 headings would make the page look more cluttered
[02:51]	schestowitz	MinceR: e.g. https://openclipart.org/detail/309005/fancy-decorative-divider-2
[02:52]	schestowitz	https://openclipart.org/detail/309006/fancy-decorative-divider-3
[02:54]	schestowitz	MinceR: http://techrights.org//wp-content/themes/ocadia/images/deco.gif
[02:54]	schestowitz	smaller and already in the css
[02:54]	schestowitz	so no new files needed
[02:56]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: added for illustrative purposes
[02:56]	schestowitz-TR	refresh any page, look under H2 "GEMINI SPACE"
[02:57]	schestowitz	text-align: center;   font-variant: small-caps;
[02:57]	MinceR	i can see it
[02:57]	MinceR	it complicates the page and i don't really see the benefit
[02:58]	schestowitz	let me try to center the headers
[02:58]	schestowitz	as they're not as important as the contents below them
[02:59]	schestowitz	at least no new objects in page
[02:59]	schestowitz	object reuse
● Aug 21
[03:00]	schestowitz	MinceR: ok, try now
[03:03]	MinceR	the shadow makes it harder to read
[03:04]	schestowitz-TR	yes, I noticed and changed
[03:04]	schestowitz-TR	try again
[03:09]	schestowitz-TR	I'll assume no comment...?
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[03:10]	MinceR	i can't really see the difference
[03:11]	techrights-ipfs-bot	 Gemini requests since start of month:  138788 total Total pages: 37129    Active: active (running) since Tue 2021-06-08 16:18:39 BST; 2 months 12 days ago
[03:11]	techrights-ipfs-bot	 IPFS local node stats (past 23 hours) calculated.  TotalIn: 1.8 GB    TotalOut: 418 MB
[03:11]	techrights-ipfs-bot	 New daily bulletin just generated. It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID 
[03:11]	schestowitz-TR	the drop shadow was 3px before
[03:11]	schestowitz-TR	now 1px and 2px
[03:13]	techrights-ipfs-bot	QmRxveENRZAwTLnQcdiQ3CcBn7PwZvo2AFewmw5wDihmMW
[03:13]	MinceR	ic
[03:14]	schestowitz-TR	should I add a small button next to headlines for gemini?
[03:14]	MinceR	\_()_/
[03:14]	schestowitz-TR	like at the end of a headline?
[03:14]	schestowitz-TR	gemini does not even have a formal logo
[03:14]	schestowitz-TR	maybe I can <sup>gemini</sup>
[03:14]	schestowitz-TR	like a footnote
[03:16]	MinceR	i guess you could use   in lieu of a formal logo :)
[03:16]	schestowitz-TR	refresh page
[03:17]	schestowitz-TR	it's not a url yet
[03:19]	AdmFubar	https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/08/unix-at-50-it-starts-with-a-mainframe-a-gator-and-three-dedicated-researchers/
[03:20]	MinceR	https://files.catbox.moe/66m6qr.png
[03:24]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: try now
[03:24]	schestowitz-TR	it's a link
[03:24]	schestowitz-TR	director
[03:24]	XRevan86	MinceR: https://youtu.be/FR7wOGyAzpw?t=164
[03:24]	schestowitz-TR	with some explanation
[03:25]	MinceR	it works
[03:25]	MinceR	XRevan86: :)
[03:25]	schestowitz-TR	I wonder if this will break some scripts
[03:25]	schestowitz-TR	time will tell, I guess
[03:27]	MinceR	"#hemanimated" -- what did he manimate? :>
[03:27]	psydruid	the link from the web page to the Gemini page also works for me for the latest article, but I'll check on my laptop later today
[03:28]	schestowitz-TR	will do some cross browser testing now...
[03:29]	XRevan86	MinceR: Made the scenes animate differently? :)
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[03:40]	techrights-news	"IBM is in a very layoff-y mood. Not that the media bothered mentioning it; maybe it expects journalism to just be repetition of a bunch of press releases from #IBM rather than investigation of what many insiders say this week." http://techrights.org/2021/08/20/we-build-fedora-and-then-ibm-blacklists-us/
[03:41]	techrights-news	Corporate #racism "lurking behind the curtain of corporate PR and creative story-telling. They paint themselves with rainbows while constantly reinforcing exclusion, bigotry, and privilege." http://techrights.org/2021/08/20/we-build-fedora-and-then-ibm-blacklists-us/
[03:41]	techrights-news	"Those who fail to see how 'Big Tech' promotes racism may have been cheaply indoctrinated (brainwashed on the cheap with slush funds), mostly by manipulative deflection tactics. It helps distract from their own actions." http://techrights.org/2021/08/20/we-build-fedora-and-then-ibm-blacklists-us/
[03:43]	techrights-news	GNOME's Magnifier Will Now Avoid Double Painting The Desktop https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=GNOME-Magnifier-Double-Paint #gnu #linux
[03:44]	AdmFubar	https://www.linuxlinks.com/emulate-oric-home-computer-linux/
[03:44]	MinceR	oric goldfinger
[03:45]	phobos/jn	https://notthebee.com/article/washington-teacher-says-we-should-deny-healthcare-to-the-unvaccinated-let-them-die-if-were-lucky-we-can-cut-out-30-of-the-population-that-votes-the-wrong-way
[03:45]	MinceR	just a little callous
[03:46]	techrights-news	Selling your personal data? For a discount? How much is #garmin spamming these sites to shill its gadgets? #surveillance https://www.maketecheasier.com/deal/garmin-instinct-outdoor-watch/ cautionary tale: https://news.trust.org/item/20210820080622-5wjww/
[03:46]	MinceR	a bit more if you count the people who didn't get vaccinated because it was counterindicated for them
[03:46]	AdmFubar	it would happen no matter what.... 
[03:47]	AdmFubar	hell it is happening now
[03:47]	techrights-news	So-called 'hacking' https://www.accessnow.org/to-protect-human-rights-identify-and-disrupt-australias-hacking-bill/
[03:47]	phobos/jn	Larry Elder is the Black face of white supremacy. Youve been warned
[03:48]	phobos/jn	https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-08-20/recall-candidate-larry-elder-is-a-threat-to-black-californians
[03:48]	phobos/jn	What a strange couple of years for the USA
[03:50]	schestowitz	how to shill 2 bad things at the same time https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ec2-m6i-icelake&num=1
[03:52]	techrights-news	#Proton 6.3-6 Released With More Games Running http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154736#comment-30643
[03:53]	techrights-news	This is what #mozilla has turned into.. #facebook ... tweets... off-topic fluff https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/best-tweets-august-16-cybersecurity-facebook-data-onlyfans/
[03:54]	AdmFubar	https://puri.sm/posts/apples-subpoenas-show-they-own-you/
[03:57]	schestowitz	"Most journalists seem to miss the larger civil liberties point when Big Tech companies get subpoenas for peoples digital archives."
[03:57]	activelow	vaccinated with what and against what? i reject the covid vaccine only, but received all others which were mandatory before.
[03:57]	techrights-news	#MXLinux -21 Fluxbox beta 1 iso images for testing http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154737 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[03:58]	schestowitz	activelow: do you wear a mask and keep distance?
[03:58]	activelow	schestowitz: why?
[03:58]	schestowitz	I think that is the sole excuse for getting nothing in Germany
[03:59]	schestowitz	if you can avoid it for years... the virus
[03:59]	activelow	it cannot be avoided according to epidemic experts
[03:59]	schestowitz-TR	well, most Germans avoided it
[03:59]	schestowitz-TR	so far...
[03:59]	activelow	which?
● Aug 21
[04:00]	activelow	more than 50% received a vaccination shot, which is now known to not protect against a "delta variant"
[04:00]	schestowitz	https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/
[04:00]	schestowitz	less than 5% of Germans confirmed to have had it
[04:01]	activelow	when? a "deadliest pandemic in 30years" was reported 2018 already, official data from RKI
[04:01]	MinceR	afaik it still protects against the delta variant, e.g. it greatly reduces the probability of severe symptoms
[04:01]	activelow	and testing was known to be unreliable, only detecting it within a few days or weeks of an infection
[04:01]	schestowitz	151,108 new covid-10 infection in US of "I'm fucking awesome" A yesterday alone
[04:02]	schestowitz	it spreads there more than in here already
[04:02]	schestowitz	"take THAT, Biden!"
[04:02]	activelow	i didn't believe any reporting anymore end of 2019 already, since then it was incitement and propaganda only
[04:03]	schestowitz	hungary still world's 2nd worst for deaths
[04:03]	schestowitz	because orban is a genius
[04:04]	schestowitz	activelow: it's just exaggerated a bit
[04:04]	schestowitz	but not "incitement and propaganda"
[04:04]	schestowitz	http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/08/19/covid19-communication-strategy/
[04:04]	schestowitz	one can 'camp' for a while
[04:04]	schestowitz	but that means staying indoors almost all the time
[04:05]	schestowitz	because all precautions have been adorned now, here at least
[04:06]	techrights-news	#Techrights Bulletin for Friday, August 20, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
[04:06]	techrights-news	#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
[04:06]	MinceR	the US of I'm fucking A? :>
[04:06]	MinceR	or maybe just the US of fucking A :>
[04:07]	schestowitz	Us HEY!
[04:07]	MinceR	:>
[04:07]	schestowitz	oh u!
[04:09]	techrights-ipfs-bot	   IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 21.25   IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 20.43 swarm size (avg): 268.63  
[04:10]	techrights-news	LIVE Distro Review: Manjaro 21.1 "Pahvo" (GNOME Edition) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=seT5PsV-Ijc #video #invidious #gnu #linux
[04:10]	AdmFubar	https://puri.sm/posts/locked-in-a-remote-control-car/
[04:11]	schestowitz	cars are fast becoming malware with wheels
[04:11]	schestowitz	and a wheel for you to feel like you are in control
[04:12]	AdmFubar	https://puri.sm/posts/defending-against-spyware-like-pegasus/
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[04:14]	techrights-news	" #Focalboard is released as an open-source project under MIT license." https://medevel.com/focalboard-os/
[04:14]	AdmFubar	https://www.rawstory.com/greg-abbott-mask-lawsuit/
[04:14]	schestowitz	he can just tell to texas judge god bless murca
[04:14]	schestowitz	and the lawsuits will be dismissed
[04:14]	schestowitz	the judges too will say god bless murica
[04:15]	schestowitz	"JESUS!!! MAKE COVID GO!!"
[04:15]	schestowitz	I'm thinking og popoff here
[04:15]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Popoff
[04:15]	schestowitz	"Popoff falsely claimed God revealed this information to him so that Popoff could pretend to cure them through faith healing"
[04:16]	schestowitz	activelow: he is also from germany
[04:16]	schestowitz	he can kill covid with his palm :-)
[04:17]	AdmFubar	wait... heysuess didn't make it go?
[04:17]	schestowitz	not yet
[04:17]	MinceR	hey Zeus!
[04:17]	schestowitz	he might "up above"
[04:17]	schestowitz	in the next life
[04:18]	AdmFubar	make "go" as in the first place...
[04:18]	schestowitz	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7BQKu0YP8Y
[04:22]	activelow	schestowitz: why are you conflating my scepticism?
[04:22]	schestowitz-TR2	not the same
[04:22]	schestowitz-TR2	but...
[04:22]	activelow	i don't know this person, never had seen or heard anything from him.
[04:22]	schestowitz-TR2	I recalled that in fact he had been born in Germany
[04:22]	schestowitz-TR2	before he scammed the vulnerable yanks
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[04:23]	schestowitz-TR2	he's still alive, it says...
[04:23]	schestowitz-TR2	probably still rich
[04:23]	schestowitz-TR2	and selling shite like water
[04:23]	schestowitz-TR2	"holy"
[04:26]	schestowitz	at the moment booth BIG BUSINESS and little small-time scammers exploit covid-19
[04:27]	schestowitz	with false promises 
[04:27]	schestowitz	and exaggerations
[04:27]	schestowitz	both the chinese(, russia, british) and american  pharma companies
[04:27]	schestowitz	with efficacy on the decline
[04:27]	schestowitz	they blame "variants" or "mutations"
[04:27]	schestowitz	like
[04:28]	schestowitz	1) these were not expected
[04:28]	schestowitz	2) this is any different from most viruses, even the flu (the flu too mutates)
[04:28]	schestowitz	then you have idiots who buy chemicals
[04:28]	schestowitz	or take alcohol, chlorine and other stuff
[04:28]	schestowitz	like it's miraculous medicine
[04:29]	schestowitz	"He went bankrupt the next year, but made a comeback in the late 1990s. Beginning in the mid-2000s, Popoff bought TV time to promote "Miracle Spring Water" on late-night infomercials, and referred to himself as a prophet.[3] "We've done so many stories about him, but it never does any good," said Ole Anthony, founder of Trinity Foundation, which has investigated Popoff and other faith healers since 1987. "His scams are endless."[4]"
[04:30]	schestowitz	he's probably still at it
[04:30]	schestowitz	the world's most expensive water
[04:30]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Popoff
[04:30]	schestowitz	"Miracle Spring Water"
[04:30]	schestowitz	did he piss in it?
[04:30]	MinceR	the flu mutates and people who get flu shots get new ones every year
[04:31]	schestowitz	the upside of self-isolation is,
[04:31]	schestowitz	you don't get the flu either
[04:31]	schestowitz	very unlikely to
[04:31]	schestowitz	humans aren't a virus carriers
[04:31]	schestowitz	to the planet, we too are viruses
[04:31]	schestowitz	the difference is, we don't spread
[04:31]	schestowitz	or multiple
[04:32]	schestowitz	*multiply
[04:32]	schestowitz	those who did are screwed
[04:32]	MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp2adrUaiyI
[04:32]	AdmFubar	https://www.rawstory.com/fox-friends-joins-right-wing-regeneron-cult-antibody-treatment-is-basically-still-getting-vaccinated-its-not/
[04:32]	schestowitz	because the state forces them to send little viruses to interact with other little viruses, without mask
[04:32]	schestowitz	and then come back home
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[04:33]	AdmFubar	https://www.rawstory.com/children-are-dying-for-republican-freedom/
[04:33]	schestowitz	AdmFubar: let me guess the geezer who owns Fox DID in fact get vaccinate
[04:33]	schestowitz	vaccinated
[04:33]	schestowitz	now he just riles up a bunch of plebs into their own deaths
[04:34]	schestowitz	1000+ deaths in the US per day... and it's still summer
[04:34]	schestowitz	worse than a year ago
[04:34]	MinceR	i read yesterday that rupert murdoch pulled strings to get vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2 early
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[04:35]	schestowitz	MinceR: the zombie wants to live, not leave
[04:36]	MinceR	:>
[04:36]	schestowitz	MinceR: he got it free with the Viagra Loyalty Pack
[04:36]	MinceR	lol
[04:36]	schestowitz	frequent flyer with Pfizer
[04:37]	AdmFubar	it is worse in the "red" states
[04:37]	AdmFubar	https://www.rawstory.com/trump-voters-vaccine/
[04:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rawstory.com | These Trump-voting counties have figured out how to get large numbers of people vaccinated - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism
[04:37]	techrights-news	#RaspberryPi Display Driver Patches Updated For 4K@60Hz Support - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Raspberry-Pi-4K60-v7 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/08/21/#latest
[04:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Raspberry Pi Display Driver Patches Updated For 4K@60Hz Support - Phoronix
[04:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts
[04:38]	schestowitz-TR2	AdmFubar: they're BLEEDING
[04:38]	schestowitz-TR2	IBM motto: I bleed blue
[04:38]	schestowitz-TR2	funny to see how IBM suits want to force the employees back into glass and metal cages they call "officer"
[04:38]	schestowitz-TR2	but cannot
[04:38]	schestowitz-TR2	meanwhile IBM is collapsing
[04:38]	schestowitz-TR2	Microsoft newxt
[04:40]	techrights-news	Shame about the #rustlang ... awful framework that's controlled by #ProprietarySoftware #monopolies https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=SixtyFPS-0.1-Rust-Toolkit
[04:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SixtyFPS 0.1 Released As A Rust-Focused Graphical Toolkit - Phoronix
[04:41]	MinceR	If it bleeds, we can kill it.
[04:41]	techrights-news	"But did you know that when using Firefox for Android, your finger is actually 6x7 millimeters large? Now you do!" https://overengineer.dev/blog/2021/08/20/webcompat-finger-radius.html
[04:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-overengineer.dev | WebCompat Tale: Touching Clickable Things - Dennis Schubert
[04:41]	schestowitz-TR2	grep -R blood | pkill -
[04:42]	schestowitz-TR2	actually, make that ps aux | (the abovEW0
[04:42]	MinceR	"Where are your fingers?"
[04:43]	schestowitz-TR2	does covid cause amputations yet?
[04:43]	MinceR	lol
[04:43]	schestowitz-TR2	https://globalnews.ca/news/7688491/coronavirus-erection-covid-19/
[04:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-COVID-19 patient dies after rare 3-hour erection in hospital - National | Globalnews.ca
[04:44]	schestowitz-TR2	"quck! cut it off. CUT IT OFF1"
[04:45]	schestowitz	http://www.eveningoflight.nl/subspecie/on-mouths/
[04:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eveningoflight.nl | On Mouths - Sub Specie
[04:45]	schestowitz	http://www.eveningoflight.nl/subspecie/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/xenomorph.jpg
[04:47]	techrights-news	Racist #Fedora Community Blog: Fridays Racist Fedora Facts: 2021-33 https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fridays-fedora-facts-2021-33/ who did you BAN this time? http://techrights.org/2021/08/20/we-build-fedora-and-then-ibm-blacklists-us/ #ibm #redhat
[04:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | Friday's Fedora Facts: 2021-33 Fedora Community Blog
[04:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Imperialistic Blacklist Machines: Racist IBM and Red Hat Just Like Donald Trump Have Turned Fedora Into an Utterly Racist Project That Blacklists, Shuns and Permanently Bans People Based on Their Nationality Alone | Techrights
[04:50]	techrights-news	ASUS N5105I-IM-A - A Jasper Lake mini-ITX motherboard with Celeron N5105 SoC - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/08/20/asus-n5105i-im-a-a-jasper-lake-mini-itx-motherboard-with-celeron-n5105-soc/ back doors in these chips though...
[04:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | ASUS N5105I-IM-A - A Jasper Lake mini-ITX motherboard with Celeron N5105 SoC - CNX Software
[04:50]	techrights-news	"A new testing/rolling line of Sparky 7 (next stable) is ready to upgrade. The next Sparky 7 code name is Orion Belt" https://sparkylinux.org/new-testing-line-of-sparky-7/ #sparkylinux #debian #gnu #linux
[04:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sparkylinux.org | New testing line of Sparky 7 SparkyLinux
[04:51]	techrights-news	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154738 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[04:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines
[04:52]	techrights-news	Best 12 #freesw #socialcontrolmedia management tools for Business https://medevel.com/os-social-media-projects/ #medevel | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/08/21/#latest
[04:52]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medevel.com | Best 12 Open-source social media management tools for Business
[04:55]	techrights-news	"For the past 10 weeks, I have been working on implementing active resource management in #GNOME as a part of Google Summer of Code 2021." https://nishalkulkarni.tumblr.com/post/660059966501158912
[04:55]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nishalkulkarni.tumblr.com | Nishal's Blog - GSoC 2021 Part IV - Final Review
[04:59]	techrights-news	Should we stop flying to our #freesoftware conferences? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154739 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[04:59]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Should we stop flying to our free software conferences? | Tux Machines
● Aug 21
[05:01]	techrights-news	#SparkyLinux 6.0 is out and SparkyLinux 7.0 will follow. Very promising #gnu #linux distro from #poland with some decent following...
[05:02]	techrights-news	#Devices /Embedded: ASUS, Raspberry Pi Display Driver, and Waterproof Machine http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154740 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[05:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Devices/Embedded: ASUS, Raspberry Pi Display Driver, and Waterproof Machine | Tux Machines
[05:05]	techrights-news	PR disguised as 'article'? https://betanews.com/2021/08/20/kubuntu-focus-xe-linux-laptop-sale/ see http://techrights.org/2020/10/18/news-as-spam/
[05:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | Student deal alert: Kubuntu Focus XE Linux laptop gets huge back-to-school price cut
[05:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Different Types of Spammy Articles and Reviews Which Have Killed Professional Journalism (Nowadays Mostly SPAM) | Techrights
[05:07]	techrights-news	#SuperTuxKart Elite Training Arc + Racing With Viewers - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=iX0ANV9Y6i4 #video #invidious #multimedia | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/08/21/#latest
[05:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | SuperTuxKartElite Training Arc + Racing With Viewers - Invidious
[05:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts
[05:08]	techrights-ipfs-bot	   IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 18.91   IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 77.93 swarm size (avg): 268.59  
[05:09]	techrights-news	"As many people know, I collect stuffed animals." https://ariadne.space/2021/08/21/a-tail-of-two-bunnies/
[05:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ariadne.space | a tail of two bunnies Ariadne's Space
[05:09]	Ariadne	i have to admit it's pretty funny to watch lunduke lock his twitter account and go hide like a little bitch
[05:09]	schestowitz-TR2	Ariadne: keel and miyoni are good
[05:09]	schestowitz-TR2	Ariadne: he is ruined
[05:09]	schestowitz-TR2	he deleted his youtube videos
[05:09]	Ariadne	what happened
[05:09]	schestowitz-TR2	and now he moans about the platform he chose instead
[05:09]	Ariadne	surely it wasn't the COVID chest beating
[05:10]	schestowitz-TR2	he said he wouldm quit twitter 3 times at least
[05:10]	schestowitz-TR2	and each time he broke his promise
[05:10]	XRevan86	Ariadne: Are people pointing out to him that past illness is no excuse for ignoring masks?
[05:10]	Ariadne	apparently he is banned from SeaGL
[05:10]	Ariadne	i guess because he refuses to vaccinate or mask
[05:10]	Ariadne	haha
[05:11]	schestowitz-TR2	my techrights collague says he is a "superspreader" or goes to "superspreader events"
[05:11]	schestowitz-TR2	which I didn't qiuite get until recently
[05:11]	XRevan86	He doesn't need to vaccinate I guess. Not that it wouldn't help.
[05:11]	schestowitz-TR2	because of some very tactless tweets
[05:12]	schestowitz-TR2	masks help prevent droplets from flying onto others
[05:12]	schestowitz-TR2	they mostly protect others from you in case you are an unwitting carrier
[05:12]	XRevan86	Though it also depends on when he was ill.
[05:12]	schestowitz-TR2	with very long hibernation period
[05:13]	Ariadne	XRevan86: vaccination is recommended even if you've already had it
[05:13]	schestowitz-TR2	people here barely wear masks anymore, even shopkeepers
[05:13]	schestowitz-TR2	which makes this place dangerous under Borisnaro
[05:13]	XRevan86	But either way, he cannot just conclude that he got it, it's in the past for him, he can just live a "normal life" ignoring anything that happens. Not how that works.
[05:13]	schestowitz-TR2	Ariadne: depends which one (I have read)
[05:14]	schestowitz-TR2	anyway, people will spread it regardless
[05:14]	schestowitz-TR2	and masks are needed even if 99% got some vaccine
[05:14]	schestowitz-TR2	because those 99% remain a carrier potential
[05:15]	schestowitz-TR2	I remember Lunduke complaining about Ballmer spitting at him
[05:15]	XRevan86	Ariadne: Right, but I don't care to find out the specifics of his situation to be able to give him advice.
[05:15]	Ariadne	i wonder why SeaGL banned him, i guess it happened last year
[05:15]	schestowitz-TR2	or rather, shouting at therm and leaving droplets of spit on his glasses
[05:15]	schestowitz-TR2	which I can totally believe
[05:15]	schestowitz-TR2	SeaGL is connected to some people
[05:15]	schestowitz-TR2	like past partner of Deb N iirc
[05:16]	schestowitz-TR2	and maybe he said something about someone (as he often does)
[05:16]	schestowitz-TR2	actually, I think Deb is directly responsible or was responsible for seagl
[05:16]	XRevan86	Anyway, people should educate him on these things, his view on the situation is very 2020.
[05:17]	XRevan86	Other people, I don't care nor have the means :P
[05:17]	schestowitz-TR2	he was wrong on LF re ovid19
[05:17]	schestowitz-TR2	but not entirely wrong
[05:18]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2021/06/21/brand-dilution-lf/
[05:18]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | There Are Bigger Scandals Than Revisionism and Brand Dilution at the Linux Foundation | Techrights
[05:18]	schestowitz	it is a response to him
[05:18]	XRevan86	Is the bridge still working? I can't tell without phobos writing.
[05:19]	schestowitz	he wrote a couple of hours ago
[05:19]	schestowitz	CrystalMath: how many online?
[05:19]	schestowitz	in the techrights channel?
[05:19]	XRevan86	I guess MinceR will tell if anything were to happen to it.
[05:19]	schestowitz	someone said we're the busiest channel in fake korea
[05:19]	Ariadne	lol
[05:20]	XRevan86	They said "probably", but it's likely.
[05:20]	XRevan86	A big fish in a small pond :).
[05:20]	techrights-news	"The only reason I know people somewhat miss #ibm is now easy the workload is. Lets you work 10 hours a week." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cpB00fq#replies
[05:20]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Do you know anyone who regreted leaving IBM? - post regarding IBM layoffs
[05:21]	schestowitz-TR2	I get paid for 36 hours a week
[05:21]	schestowitz-TR2	the net work I do fits well within 5 hours
[05:21]	schestowitz-TR2	IBM sounds like not a bad place... until layoffs sweep through
[05:22]	schestowitz-TR2	I suppose there are many workers (like M.F. experts) they cannot fire and replace easily
[05:22]	XRevan86	phobos is odd in that he joined the proper channel and then reverted back to Joseon.
[05:22]	schestowitz-TR2	and H.R. at IBM can barely recruit good engs
[05:22]	schestowitz-TR2	XRevan86: he will be back, he can also use both
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[05:23]	activelow	M.F. experts?
[05:23]	activelow	main frame?
[05:23]	schestowitz-TR2	mainframes
[05:23]	XRevan86	schestowitz: It's pretty weird, as the future of this side is the most certain, obviously should be preferred.
[05:23]	schestowitz-TR2	it;s still ibm's cash cow
[05:24]	activelow	got a mainframe here too: a cluster of cortex a53 boards
[05:24]	Ariadne	kinda funny how insecure z/Arch really is
[05:24]	schestowitz-TR2	XRevan86: wait till next phase/wave
[05:24]	schestowitz-TR2	where every 'citizen' needs to set up a 'crypto' wallet
[05:24]	schestowitz-TR2	to get coin from the king
[05:24]	Ariadne	and pay tax
[05:24]	Ariadne	to the king
[05:25]	schestowitz-TR2	or else be escoted out of the network ('kingdom')
[05:25]	XRevan86	I wonder how that will actually look like
[05:25]	schestowitz	Mt Gox Bitcoin exchange's Karpeles avoided jail time in Japan
[05:25]	schestowitz	so Lee HIRED him
[05:25]	schestowitz	in fake Korea
[05:25]	Ariadne	karpeles is a weird one
[05:25]	Ariadne	he started writing a kernel in php
[05:26]	Ariadne	and an init system in php
[05:26]	Ariadne	and an ircd in php
[05:26]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Since tr-bridge is registered on you, I relinquish its Joseon cryptocoin to you :D.
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[05:26]	schestowitz	XRevan86: MINDS has those wallets
[05:26]	schestowitz	it's also run by some rather cheesy people
[05:26]	schestowitz	but you are not forced to give an account
[05:26]	schestowitz	LBRY does ask for one
[05:26]	schestowitz	(or did)
[05:27]	schestowitz	IRC should be IRC, not some social control media slash bank slash citizenship thing where you send your driver's licence (twitter, facebook)
[05:27]	XRevan86	Ariadne: He should write a PHP interpreter in Perl and it will be complete.
[05:27]	schestowitz	facebook even asks for dick pics https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/nov/07/facebook-revenge-porn-nude-photos
[05:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Facebook asks users for nude photos in project to combat 'revenge porn' | Facebook | The Guardian
[05:28]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Can't have freezepeach without some cryptocoins.
[05:28]	XRevan86	or a monarch
[05:28]	schestowitz	FB: we won't be complete without billions of dicks like our founder
[05:28]	Ariadne	have to finance the grift somehow
[05:29]	XRevan86	Nah, that's what Shells is for.
[05:30]	activelow	Ariadne: vaccination is not explicitely recommended, in germany, except for those who are threatened by particular medical preconditions
[05:30]	Ariadne	ok cool in the US it is
[05:31]	XRevan86	I am imagining Alex Lee approaching his brother and asking what he's using the GitLab instance donated by Shells.com for and his replying: for absolutely nothing whatsoever but deploying a static page.
[05:31]	activelow	no sure about US, even then the leading vaccination research conglomerate involves the leading US pharma corporations, and their research result indicated "insufficient for approval"
[05:31]	activelow	t
[05:32]	activelow	anyone who doesn't cite this is lying
[05:32]	techrights-news	Way More Than A Week In #Tok http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154741 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #KDE
[05:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Way More Than A Week In Tok | Tux Machines
[05:33]	activelow	"greements with Boehringer Ingelheim, Sanofi Pasteur, Johnson & Johnson, Genmab, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, Eli Lilly and Company, GlaxoSmithKline,[4][5] Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, the International AIDS Vaccine Initiative,[6] and the government of Germany"
[05:33]	activelow	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CureVac#COVID-19_vaccine_candidate
[05:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | CureVac - Wikipedia
[05:33]	schestowitz-TR2	Gates as shareholder
[05:33]	XRevan86	It's also ironic that even the Imperial Family Companies don't use freenode Jobs to hire.
[05:33]	schestowitz-TR2	any place he goes, it's a liability now...
[05:34]	schestowitz-TR2	esp. with him fainting over people discovering his strong links to Epstein, still on ongoing saga
[05:35]	phobos/jn	And no one held accountable except his Madame
[05:35]	phobos/jn	Re Epstein saga
[05:35]	XRevan86	Signs of life in Joseon :)
[05:35]	phobos/jn	not much life here
[05:36]	schestowitz-TR2	not yet
[05:36]	phobos/jn	* Current local users: 289  Max: 359
[05:36]	phobos/jn	* Current global users: 1550  Max: 1605
[05:36]	schestowitz-TR2	my guess is that some crypto-chain thing is next
[05:36]	schestowitz-TR2	to 'monetise' it somehow...
[05:36]	phobos/jn	They'll come... before he knows it, he'll have everyone on the planet signed up and chatting
[05:36]	XRevan86	phobos: Is it comfortable reading the channel when every message is relayed by a bot without anything like RELAYMSG?
[05:36]	phobos/jn	and an armored car will lose its payload in my driveway
[05:37]	phobos/jn	works for me
[05:37]	phobos/jn	should I be uncomfortable?
[05:37]	XRevan86	I would've.
[05:37]	schestowitz-TR2	yesterday I visited the kiwiirc site
[05:37]	schestowitz-TR2	last blog post 2017
[05:37]	schestowitz-TR2	about PIA providing money
[05:38]	phobos/jn	I'm also registered on the server you are on
[05:38]	schestowitz-TR2	Kiwi is nice.... so at least it's one good use of PIA loans
[05:38]	phobos/jn	Just using a different laptop and didn't feel like setting up the new net
[05:38]	schestowitz-TR2	phobos: makes sense...
[05:38]	XRevan86	It's weird that Joseon keeps slightly growing. I look around the Internet for pockets of people who support it and I just can't find anything. Even imageboards hate it.
[05:39]	schestowitz-TR2	I think PIA never become profitable and never will
[05:39]	schestowitz-TR2	it's priced below the competition
[05:39]	schestowitz-TR2	but like uber, it makes promises but no returns
[05:39]	schestowitz-TR2	all those other projects are play 
[05:40]	schestowitz-TR2	one thing I don't get is,
[05:40]	schestowitz-TR2	PIA said privacy good
[05:40]	schestowitz-TR2	PIA blog says the same
[05:40]	schestowitz-TR2	but the freenode successor (it it can be called that) demands your real email
[05:40]	XRevan86	Even some trashy people that do channel raids, wipes and such moved out to OFTC.
[05:41]	schestowitz-TR2	Shells is like keylogger on your desktop
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[05:41]	schestowitz-TR2	and there are other contradiction on the issues of privacy
[05:41]	schestowitz-TR2	inc. all this "Apple everywhere" mindset
[05:41]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Which successor? Albeit it's both.
[05:41]	schestowitz-TR2	so privacy for "edgy" feel
[05:42]	schestowitz-TR2	but hardly in practice
[05:42]	schestowitz-TR2	XRevan86: the scraps left of freenode
[05:42]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Right, I thought ye are talking about Libera.
[05:43]	schestowitz-TR2	What's that? -D
[05:43]	XRevan86	Successor in every other way.
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[05:44]	techrights-news	"Latest years, Perl core teams positively try to implement Object-Oriented feature to Perl core. I hope my review helps a little." http://blogs.perl.org/users/yuki_kimoto/2021/08/objectpad-review-yuki-kimotos-2021-08-21---constructor-argument.html
[05:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Object::Pad review Yuki Kimoto's 2021-08-21 - Constructor argument | Yuki Kimoto Perl Blog [blogs.perl.org]
[05:44]	schestowitz-TR2	XRevan86: safety ride
[05:44]	schestowitz-TR2	or lifeboat
[05:44]	schestowitz-TR2	half the size of the original
[05:45]	schestowitz-TR2	I should get some sleep...
[05:45]	XRevan86	schestowitz: The other successor is 50 times smaller.
[05:45]	schestowitz-TR2	even worse
[05:45]	schestowitz-TR2	more like 60
[05:46]	XRevan86	I gave it some extra just in case it grows another hundred users.
[05:47]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Anyway, I have no doubt that Libera will continue slightly but stably growing long-term.
[05:48]	phobos/jn	I didn't know libera still existed... thought that would have imploded by now
[05:48]	phobos/jn	under the weight of liberalism and all that
[05:49]	XRevan86	phobos: It doesn't have an Andrew Lee to do the work.
[05:49]	phobos/jn	Nah... just all the old bleeding heart staffers that rage quit joseon and went there
[05:49]	phobos/jn	including... whatshisface... christels left hand man
[05:50]	phobos/jn	The one that is also involved in the patent nonsense over in the EU... can't remember his name
[05:51]	phobos/jn	Fuchs
[05:52]	XRevan86	phobos: It will implode any second now.
[05:52]	phobos/jn	Yeah...
[05:52]	XRevan86	Joseon will outlive it, just ye wait.
[05:52]	activelow	asked some time ago, saying i didn't believe their fairy tale they had not known about selling and cash involved
[05:52]	phobos/jn	Just between you and me, a thusfar unspoken secret, joseon ain't long for their world
[05:53]	phobos/jn	activelow: Did you get an answer?
[05:53]	phobos/jn	s/their/this
[05:53]	phobos/jn	damn autocorrect
[05:54]	activelow	some staff responded (including Fuchs iirc) and expressed some regret, otherwise i don't know anything
[05:54]	XRevan86	phobos: Joseon is on another plane? Ascending to the immaterial plane of existence?
[05:54]	phobos/jn	If thats your definition of death, then yes ;)
[05:55]	activelow	this christel too was involved with gentoo, asked them too since gentoo aligned with libera explicitely, but they didn't know anything either
[05:55]	phobos/jn	I'll dance a jig naked on the court house roof at lunch time on a friday if joseon still exists in 2 years
[05:56]	XRevan86	phobos: Ah, well, I was just joking around, I think that Libera may as well exist for decades to come, while Joseon might actually implode this year or the next.
[05:57]	activelow	phobos: exist what exactly? freenode service was wiped, irc.com service can operate with as many accounts as there are indefinitely.
[05:57]	XRevan86	Joseon is losing its reason to exist and so it will eventually stop.
[05:58]	XRevan86	activelow: The thing that is over the bridge.
[05:58]	activelow	ok. is this part of the irc.com database?
[05:58]	XRevan86	The expectation is that it will run out of excuses to be and will just stop.
● Aug 21
[06:00]	XRevan86	activelow: That is correct, but it being part of the Joseon Empire completely overcasts that past achievement.
[06:01]	activelow	don't intend to interrupt your conversation. anyway, the emperor of irc.com had been the least dishonest. it had been libera to answer some questions: contracts, cash, elasticsearch cluster attached to freenode classic, ircv3 message IDs
[06:01]	XRevan86	activelow: Did ye see what Ariadne wrote the other day about her and Andrew Lee's involvement in Christel's "resignation"?
[06:02]	activelow	XRevan86: not yet, although i read backlogs regularly i missed that.
[06:02]	Ariadne	christ ,not this shit again
[06:03]	activelow	sorry then
[06:03]		*activelow shuts up
[06:03]	XRevan86	I was just messing about the pathetic existence of the bridge and the other side's inhabitants, and that resurfaced the whole topic.
[06:04]	activelow	i don't like the fact the bridge doesn't expose the participants and their numbers on the other side
[06:04]	XRevan86	activelow: Numbers?
[06:05]	XRevan86	activelow: Ah, the user count. Right.
[06:05]	activelow	yes, and joseon could have further bridges and proxies
[06:05]	XRevan86	activelow: It doesn't.
[06:06]	XRevan86	And every nickname is attached to an account unambiguously now, so it's not anonymous for sure.
[06:08]	XRevan86	In other words, nicknames from there are uniquely identifiable. Even more so than native users on this side.
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[06:09]	XRevan86	Except for the case when one drops an IRC.com account, I guess.
[06:21]	XRevan86	schestowitz: I don't know if ye have considered it as an option: the bridge can also be used to do something like renaming #boycottnovell-social to #techrights-social.
[06:22]	XRevan86	Or all sorts of other arrangements.
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[07:00]	kingoffrance	"one thing I don't get is, PIA said privacy good"   eh, thats like the one thing that sort of makes "business" sense to me. try to go to the masses of phones etc.     but, for the rest of us, irc is fine lol
[07:00]	kingoffrance	and for developers...
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[07:02]	kingoffrance	i mean, you can argue non-techie people need "privacy too".  that is separate of course 1) do they actually provide it  2) can all platforms be "secured"
[07:02]	kingoffrance	*"privacy" too
[07:02]	kingoffrance	just i sort of see the angle there, not saying such a thing is possible even
[07:05]	kingoffrance	i paint too broadly maybe, but i dont think that is wrong to say that is how some ppl might see it
[07:06]	kingoffrance	i accept marketing and business ppl could see it like that
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[08:33]	techrights-news	 NEWS #HaikuOS #Haiku #beos 20 Years of Haiku https://www.haiku-os.org/news/2021-08-18_20_years_of_haiku/
[08:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.haiku-os.org | 20 Years of Haiku | Haiku Project
[08:34]	techrights-news	 NEWS #OpenSSH Announce: OpenSSH 8.7 released https://lists.mindrot.org/pipermail/openssh-unix-dev/2021-August/039543.html
[08:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.mindrot.org | Announce: OpenSSH 8.7 released
[08:35]	techrights-news	This week in #KDE: some cool new stuff! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154742 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[08:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This week in KDE: some cool new stuff! | Tux Machines
[08:38]	techrights-news	 NEWS #DennisYurichev #Programming Fun with regular expressions: part I https://yurichev.com/news/20210819_RE1/
[08:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yurichev.com | Fun with regular expressions: part I
[08:39]	techrights-news	 NEWS #DennisYurichev #Programming Fun with regular expressions: part II https://yurichev.com/news/20210819_RE2/
[08:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yurichev.com | Fun with regular expressions: part II
[08:39]	techrights-news	 NEWS #DennisYurichev Fun with regular expressions: part III https://yurichev.com/news/20210819_RE3/
[08:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yurichev.com | Fun with regular expressions: part III
[08:39]	techrights-news	 NEWS #DennisYurichev Fun with regular expressions and verification using CBMC: part IV https://yurichev.com/news/20210819_RE4/
[08:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yurichev.com | Fun with regular expressions and verification using CBMC: part IV
[08:40]	techrights-news	#Linux Phones: Here are Your Options http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154743
[08:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Phones: Here are Your Options | Tux Machines
[08:40]	techrights-news	#Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154744 #Linux #TuxMachines
[08:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[08:42]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TheVerge #Health #Facebook suppressed report that made it look bad https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/20/22634841/facebook-most-viewed-content-report-look-bad
[08:42]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Facebook suppressed report that made it look bad - The Verge
[08:42]	techrights-news	 NEWS #NewYorkTimes #Facebook , Fearing Public Outcry, Shelved Earlier Report on Popular Posts https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/20/technology/facebook-popular-posts.html
[08:42]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Why Facebook Shelved an Earlier Report on Popular Posts - The New York Times
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[08:46]	techrights-news	 NEWS #HollywoodReporter #ProprietarySoftware #Adobe to Acquire Frame.io in Deal Valued at $1.28B https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/adobe-to-acquire-frame-io-deal-valued-at-1-275-billion-1235000110/
[08:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hollywoodreporter.com | Adobe To Acquire Frame.io In Deal Valued at $1.28 Billion The Hollywood Reporter
[08:47]	techrights-news	 NEWS #CNET #ProprietarySoftware Laptop vs. Chromebook: How are they different and which works better for you https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/laptop-vs-chromebook-how-are-they-different-and-which-works-better-for-you/ Chromebook IS a laptop, albeit locked down... like many other laptops
[08:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Laptop vs. Chromebook: How are they different and which works better for you - CNET
[08:47]	techrights-news	 NEWS #IndiaTimes #China China passes new personal data #privacy law, to take effect November 1 https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/china-passes-new-personal-data-privacy-law-to-take-effect-november-1/85485581
[08:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | China data privacy law: China passes new personal data privacy law, to take effect November 1, IT News, ET CIO
[08:47]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TheHill #China China passes strict data #privacy #law protecting personal data https://thehill.com/policy/technology/568746-china-passes-strict-data-privacy-law-protecting-personal-data
[08:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-China passes strict data privacy law protecting personal data | TheHill
[08:54]	techrights-news	 #IRC Proceedings: Friday, August 20, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/08/21/irc-log-200821/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/21/irc-log-200821/
[08:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Friday, August 20, 2021 | Techrights
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[09:00]	schestowitz-TR2	XRevan86: I agree with you about the "this year or next year" thing
[09:00]	schestowitz-TR2	impulsive people lack patience 
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[09:02]	techrights-news	#ibm #layoffs "My understanding is the FLMs are given the list of RAed people at the last minute. They know the relative rankings of their people per band but do not know where the RA line cut will be made." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cqi7ooS#replies
[09:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Always be prepared - post regarding IBM layoffs
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[09:10]	techrights-news	 NEWS #IndiaTimes #Finance #Facebook teams up with #Indifi to help provide loans to small businesses https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/brand-solution/facebook-teams-up-with-indifi-to-help-provide-loans-to-small-businesses/85485660
[09:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | Facebook teams up with Indifi to help provide loans to small businesses, IT News, ET CIO
[09:12]	techrights-news	"Banks and technology companies say greater use of cloud computing is a win-win as it results in faster and cheaper services that are more resilient to [crackers] and outages." https://www.reuters.com/world/the-great-reboot/bank-regulators-tech-giants-are-now-too-big-fail-2021-08-20/
[09:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-For bank regulators, tech giants are now too big to fail | Reuters
[09:14]	techrights-news	 NEWS #NPR #Censorship High School Is Accused Of Censorship As Officials Rip Out Yearbook Pages On The News https://text.npr.org/1029898611
[09:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | High School Is Accused Of Censorship As Officials Rip Out Yearbook Pages On The News
[09:14]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Reuters #Navalny #Censorship #Russia watchdog tells Google, Apple to remove Navalny app - report https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/russian-watchdog-tells-google-apple-remove-navalny-app-report-2021-08-20/
[09:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Russian watchdog tells Google, Apple to remove Navalny app - report | Reuters
[09:15]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TheVerge #Censorship #OnlyFans shares its new policy banning sexually explicit content https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/20/22634785/onlyfans-new-terms-of-service-policy-banning-sex-masturbation
[09:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | OnlyFans details the ban on sexually explicit content - The Verge
[09:15]	techrights-news	 NEWS #HollywoodReporter #Censorship Am I Going to Lose My House?: #OnlyFans Pivot Leaves Adult Content Creators With Fewer Options https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/onlyfans-adult-content-creators-1235000760/
[09:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hollywoodreporter.com | OnlyFans Pivot Leaves Adult Content Creators With Fewer Options The Hollywood Reporter
[09:16]	techrights-news	 NEWS #ThreatPost #Censorship Web Censorship Systems Can Facilitate Massive DDoS Attacks https://threatpost.com/censorship-systems-ddos-attacks/168853/
[09:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Web Censorship Systems Can Facilitate Massive DDoS Attacks | Threatpost
[09:17]	techrights-news	 NEWS #BBC #Censorship #OnlyFans porn ban a 'kick in the teeth' for creators https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-58282653
[09:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | OnlyFans porn ban a 'kick in the teeth' for creators - BBC News
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[09:20]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Bloomberg #Twitter Faces Claim It Benefited From Child Sex Trafficking https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-20/twitter-faces-claim-it-benefited-from-child-sex-trafficking see http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/bill-gates-pays-twitter/
[09:20]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
[09:20]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Reality is Warped When You Pay for Perception Management (or: Bill Gates Pays Twitter for Propaganda) | Techrights
[09:24]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Reuters #DRM #Deere lifts earnings forecast, but sees no let-up in inflationary pressure https://www.reuters.com/business/deere-quarterly-profit-surges-solid-farm-equipment-demand-2021-08-20/
[09:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Deere lifts earnings forecast, but sees no let-up in inflationary pressure | Reuters
[09:25]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Vox #Monopolies The #FTC has refiled its case against Facebook https://www.vox.com/2021/8/19/22632826/facebook-ftc-lawsuit-antitrust-monopoly-lina-khan-instagram-whatsapp-path-circle
[09:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The FTC refiles its case against Facebook - Vox
[09:25]	techrights-news	 NEWS #BroadbandBreakfast #Monopolies #FTC Complaint Against #Facebook , Amazon Warns of Antitrust Reforms, Tesla Under Investigation https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2021/08/ftc-resubmits-complaint-against-facebook-amazon-warns-of-antitrust-reforms-tesla-under-investigation/
[09:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-broadbandbreakfast.com | FTC Complaint Against Facebook, Amazon Warns of Antitrust Reforms, Tesla Under Investigation : Broadband Breakfast
[09:26]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TheHill #Monopolies Hillicon Valley: Feds expected to reveal new strategy in #Facebook antitrust fight https://thehill.com/policy/technology/overnights/568473-hillicon-valley-ftc-expected-to-reveal-new-strategy-in-facebook
[09:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hillicon Valley: Feds expected to reveal new strategy in Facebook antitrust fight | TheHill
[09:28]	techrights-news	 NEWS #CreativeCommons #UKRI just released its open access policy https://creativecommons.org/2021/08/20/ukri-just-released-its-open-access-policy/
[09:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-creativecommons.org | UKRI just released its open access policy - Creative Commons
[09:30]	techrights-news	Major U.K. science funder to require grantees to make papers immediately free to all https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/major-uk-science-funder-require-grantees-make-papers-immediately-free-all
[09:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sciencemag.org | Major U.K. science funder to require grantees to make papers immediately free to all | Science | AAAS
[09:31]	techrights-news	 NEWS #CreativeCommons Meet the CC Summit Presenter: Primavera De Filippi https://creativecommons.org/2021/08/20/meet-the-cc-summit-presenter-primavera-de-filippi/ http://techrights.org/2021/04/04/an-elephant-in-the-room-creative-commons/
[09:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-creativecommons.org | Meet the CC Summit Presenter: Primavera De Filippi - Creative Commons
[09:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Has CC Become a Google Drone? | Techrights
[09:31]	techrights-news	#Wikimedia Foundation https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2021/Candidates
[09:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meta.wikimedia.org | Wikimedia Foundation elections/2021/Candidates - Meta
[09:41]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights Promoting #PopcornTime Piracy Costs Phone Store Employee Her Job and $6,250 https://torrentfreak.com/promoting-popcorn-time-piracy-costs-phone-store-employee-her-job-and-6250-210820/
[09:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Promoting Popcorn Time Piracy Costs Phone Store Employee Her Job and $6,250 * TorrentFreak
[09:41]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights Bungie Sues Elite Tech Boss, #Lavicheats & #VeteranCheats For Copyright Infringement https://torrentfreak.com/bungie-sues-elite-tech-boss-lavicheats-veterancheats-for-copyrigtht-infringement-210820/
[09:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bungie Sues Elite Tech Boss, Lavicheats & VeteranCheats For Copyright Infringement * TorrentFreak
[09:42]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Tor #torproject New Release: #TorBrowser 10.5.5 https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor-browser-1055
[09:42]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.torproject.org | New Release: Tor Browser 10.5.5 | Tor Blog
[09:42]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Tor #torproject Join Tor Project's Documentation Hackathon: August 30 - September 3 https://blog.torproject.org/docshackathon-2021
[09:42]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.torproject.org | Join Tor Project's Documentation Hackathon: August 30 - September 3 | Tor Blog
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[09:48]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Techdirt #OnlyFans OnlyPrudes: OnlyFans, The Platform For Sexually Explicit Content, Says No More Sexually Explicit Content (Except For Nudes) https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210819/16281347390/onlyprudes-onlyfans-platform-sexually-explicit-content-says-no-more-sexually-explicit-content-except-nudes.shtml
[09:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-OnlyPrudes: OnlyFans, The Platform For Sexually Explicit Content, Says No More Sexually Explicit Content (Except For Nudes) | Techdirt
[09:49]	techrights-news	 NEWS #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux Raspberry Pi Zero waters your plants and records growth timelapse https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero-waters-your-plants-and-records-growth-timelapse/
[09:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Raspberry Pi Zero waters your plants and records growth timelapse - Raspberry Pi
[09:51]	techrights-news	 NEWS #CounterPunch An Open Letter to #BillGates About his #Wyoming Atomic Reactor https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/08/20/an-open-letter-to-bill-gates-about-his-wyoming-atomic-reactor/ he needs to be arrested a third time http://techrights.org/wiki/Gates_Foundation_Critique
[09:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-An Open Letter to Bill Gates About his Wyoming Atomic Reactor - CounterPunch.org
[09:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights
● Aug 21
[10:08]	techrights-news	iophk: #Fortnite is as much #socialcontrolmedia as game play https://www.salon.com/2021/08/20/mike-lindell-admits-to-hiding-gop-official-facing-fbi-probe-in-a-safe-house/
[10:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mike Lindell admits to hiding GOP official facing FBI probe in a "safe house" | Salon.com
[10:09]	techrights-news	#wsj paywall, but it's about #china not only cracking down on tech #monopolies (corporate power in check) but also https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-passes-one-of-the-worlds-strictest-data-privacy-laws-11629429138
[10:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-China Passes One of the Worlds Strictest Data-Privacy Laws - WSJ
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[10:39]	techrights-news	#microsoft still committing competition crimes https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/08/19/2041232 among other crimes, e.g. http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/
[10:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Windows 11 Is Making It Absurdly Difficult to Change Browsers - SoylentNews
[10:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and Slush Funds | Techrights
[10:40]	techrights-news	'Tech' as a weapon against people; neither enabler nor emancipator https://www.cracked.com/article_31031_four-nightmarish-tech-stories-that-didnt-get-enough-press.html
[10:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Four Nightmarish Tech Stories That Didn't Get Enough Press | Cracked.com
[10:42]	techrights-news	"When a site asks you for your birthday, always say Jan 1, 1970. Everyone will think it's a bug" https://fosstodon.org/@arielcostas/106783133416253463
[10:42]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fosstodon.org | Ariel Costas :wayland: :emacs:: "When a site asks you for your birthday, always sa" - Fosstodon
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[10:51]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Techdirt #Google Google Has Been Paying Wireless Carriers Billions To Not Develop Competing App Stores https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210819/12311847389/google-has-been-paying-wireless-carriers-billions-to-not-develop-competing-app-stores.shtml
[10:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google Has Been Paying Wireless Carriers Billions To Not Develop Competing App Stores | Techdirt
[10:52]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Techdirt #cn #china Chinese Government Censors Back On Their #Karoake Song Banlist Bullshit https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210814/17525347361/chinese-government-censors-back-their-karoake-song-banlist-bullshit.shtml
[10:52]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chinese Government Censors Back On Their Karoake Song Banlist Bullshit | Techdirt
[10:52]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Techdirt #Monopolies #FTC Tries Tries Again With An #Antitrust Case Against #Facebook https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210819/17564847391/ftc-tries-tries-again-with-antitrust-case-against-facebook.shtml
[10:52]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-FTC Tries Tries Again With An Antitrust Case Against Facebook | Techdirt
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[10:59]	techrights-news	#amd has poached tons of people from #intel (someone from Intel claims)
● Aug 21
[11:04]	techrights-news	#SparkyLinux 6.0 "Po-Tolo" Released Based on Debian 11 Bullseye http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154745 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[11:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SparkyLinux 6.0 "Po-Tolo" Released Based on Debian 11 Bullseye | Tux Machines
[11:14]	techrights-news	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154746 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[11:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines
[11:17]	techrights-news	5 Best Free and Open Source Ruby Static Site Generators http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154747 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[11:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 Best Free and Open Source Ruby Static Site Generators | Tux Machines
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[11:56]	techrights-news	Links 21/8/2021: 20 Years of Haiku and Tor Browser 10.5.5 http://techrights.org/2021/08/21/20-years-of-haiku/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/21/20-years-of-haiku/
[11:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 21/8/2021: 20 Years of Haiku and Tor Browser 10.5.5 | Techrights
[11:56]	techrights-news	#Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154748 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[11:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
[11:56]	techrights-news	#Tor and #Mozilla Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154749 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[11:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tor and Mozilla Leftovers | Tux Machines
[11:57]	techrights-news	#FreeSoftware Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154750 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[11:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software Leftovers | Tux Machines
[11:57]	techrights-news	Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154751 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[11:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines
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[12:14]	techrights-news	#gnu #linux on board and interesting form factor https://www.gsmarena.com/asus_chromebook_detachable_cz1_pairs_mediatek_kompanio_soc_with_shockproof_casing_-news-50603.php
[12:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Asus Chromebook Detachable CZ1 pairs MediaTek Kompanio SoC with shockproof casing - GSMArena.com news
[12:15]	techrights-news	" #SparkyLinux 6.0 is a major upgrade that comes with updated packages, a new Debian 11 base, Linux Kernel 5.10, and still retains the support for 32-bit computers." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154679#comment-30639
[12:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SparkyLinux 6.0 Po Tolo Released Based on Debian GNU/Linux 11 Bullseye | Tux Machines
[12:19]	techrights-news	#googleNews is going dooooooownhill. Yet another spam or #plagiarism site added to its index, #cvbj ("Central Valley Business Journal" sounds professional, but it's a fake site; does Google even manually check before adding??? Does it HIRE people do curate out the spam? Does it CARE?)
[12:20]	techrights-news	Seems like borderline #openwashing https://medevel.com/ever-gauzy
[12:20]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medevel.com | Ever Gauzy: All-in-one open-source business platform for enterprise
[12:22]	techrights-news	Provide us with technical data of your computer with probe so we can assist you https://arcolinux.com/provide-us-with-technical-data-of-your-computer-with-probe-so-we-can-assist-you/ UNLIKE #mozilla they do not PULL data out of your system...
[12:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Provide us with technical data of your computer with probe so we can assist you | ArcoLinux
[12:28]	techrights-news	" # Azure Compute is worst of all groups, specifically if get into PM roles - you can forget you have life outside work .." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/19eE5IuM#replies #azure failed. http://techrights.org/2021/07/31/azure-stagnating/
[12:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Anyone have input about joining the Azure team? Growth? Culture? Salaries? Other benefits? - post regarding Microsoft Corp. layoffs
[12:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Azure Stagnating | Techrights
[12:29]	techrights-news	"typical merger between any companies.... #Microsoft is the master, your company is the slave." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1bXdS3Xb#replies
[12:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | How worried should I be? - post regarding Microsoft Corp. layoffs
[12:34]	techrights-news	"Youre welcome to believe otherwise though. Youre welcome to believe that the 71.355 billion #Microsoft spent on stock buybacks since March of 2018 were made to benefit the shareholders too; but thats for another day." http://techrights.org/2021/07/31/azure-stagnating/ #azure
[12:36]	phobos/jn	exacting how much stock does MS have floating around?
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR2	I spoke to someone from there today
[12:36]	schestowitz-TR2	they dump lots of stocks on staff
[12:37]	schestowitz-TR2	maybe that helps avoid a crash when actual investors bail out
[12:37]	schestowitz-TR2	staff itself becomes stakeholder
[12:37]	schestowitz-TR2	and takes risk with a company (I'm told) valued 4 times as much as its real worth
[12:37]	schestowitz-TR2	then the risk if passed to low-level staff
[12:37]	schestowitz-TR2	where I work, I have no shares
[12:37]	schestowitz-TR2	so if the company goes under, I lose only future salaries
[12:38]	schestowitz-TR2	nothing else
[12:38]	schestowitz-TR2	the pensions tend to be separate too
[12:38]	schestowitz-TR2	but the principal issue is, all those scammy "pension" funds are vested deeply in the bubble "stock market"
[12:38]	schestowitz-TR2	so when the bubble bursts. pension firms will collapse too
[12:41]	techrights-news	Last comment: "The proponents of the UPC know too well that it would be the death knell of the UPC, and this is why any other solution is preferred. Whether this solution is legal does not seem to be a problem for those proponents." #upc #teamupc #fakenews #unitarypatent #epo http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/08/15/german-legislation-for-ratification-unified-patent-court-agreement-enters-into-force/
[12:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | German legislation for ratification Unified Patent Court Agreement enters into force - Kluwer Patent Blog
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[12:46]	techrights-news	#GeminiSpace is growing fast. You can really see rapid growth in traffic every month. #techrights now emphasises the Gemini:// canonicals. Recent site changes to improve clarity.
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[12:49]	techrights-news	"What I learned from this thread is that (a) people regret leaving IBM only because they did not have to do much work there and (b) people regret staying because they have so much work dumped on them due to departures and RAs." #ibm https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cpB00fq#replies
[12:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Do you know anyone who regreted leaving IBM? - post regarding IBM layoffs
[12:50]	techrights-news	#ibm #layoffs "Spoke with a friend of mine in Systems Marketing (enterprise, not channel) last night. Just one person in his immediate org let go, but at least one entire team in channel marketing." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cp1eEaZ#replies
[12:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | USA Marketing RAs today - post regarding IBM layoffs
[12:55]	techrights-news	Dissent against the nonsense that it #patents for bots, taking note of #patent extremists from #cipa #uk http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/08/artificial-intelligence-system-as.html?showComment=1629458195424#c551546942198634441
[12:55]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Artificial Intelligence system as inventor in South African patent application: The case of DABUS - The IPKat
[12:56]	techrights-news	"AI has become a buzzword and the possibility to get a lot of money from the state or equivalent. It is a hype and I fear that the hype will die out like preceding ones." http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/08/artificial-intelligence-system-as.html?showComment=1629217000610#c1570607477925887715
[12:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Artificial Intelligence system as inventor in South African patent application: The case of DABUS - The IPKat
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[12:59]	techrights-news	"EP 2928454 B1 was not granted until early 2020." https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/cases/ceva-escalates-dispute-with-bayer-and-elanco-over-veterinary-drug/ #epo abandoned #patent quality: http://techrights.org/2021/03/25/epo-potential-improvements/ #europe #patents
[12:59]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | Ceva escalates dispute with Bayer and Elanco over veterinary drug - JUVE Patent
[12:59]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Staff Representation Again Warns About Collapse in Patent Quality (Due to Bad Management), Suggests Potential Improvements | Techrights
● Aug 21
[13:00]	techrights-news	#patentTroll #Uniloc files to dismiss its appeal; Federal Circuit approves dismissal https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/8/18/uniloc-files-to-dismiss-its-appeal-federal-circuit-approves-dismissal see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Uniloc
[13:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | Uniloc abandons own Federal Circuit appeal Unified Patents
[13:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Uniloc - Techrights
[13:01]	techrights-news	#UnrealEngine 4.27 is out now from Epic Games with plenty of Linux improvements | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/08/unreal-engine-427-is-out-now-from-epic-games-with-plenty-of-linux-improvements #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games 
[13:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Unreal Engine 4.27 is out now from Epic Games with plenty of Linux improvements | GamingOnLinux
[13:02]	techrights-news	Steam Play #Proton 6.3-6 is out now with lots of fixes and new game support | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/08/steam-play-proton-63-6-is-out-now-with-lots-of-fixes-and-new-game-support
[13:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Steam Play Proton 6.3-6 is out now with lots of fixes and new game support | GamingOnLinux
[13:05]	techrights-news	#KDE Plasma Introduces A New Overview Effect, Many Wayland Fixes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154742#comment-30647
[13:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This week in KDE: some cool new stuff! | Tux Machines
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[13:28]	phobos/jn	Has anyone ever gotten wayland to work?
[13:49]	schestowitz-TR2	ibm :-)
[13:49]	schestowitz-TR2	it works for their business model
[13:49]	schestowitz-TR2	break some things that work
[13:49]	schestowitz-TR2	then sell "sollllshens"
[13:54]	schestowitz-TR2	I've just done a 30-min video on IBM
[13:54]	schestowitz-TR2	more layoffs
[13:54]	schestowitz-TR2	media not reporting!
● Aug 21
[14:04]	techrights-news	Old: "Advancements described in a patent can be used in everyday scenarios, such as a recently issued patent to Samsung pertaining to new facial and iris recognition. But you can easily see the slippery slope" https://www.inventorsdigest.com/articles/soul-patents-can-creepy/
[14:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.inventorsdigest.com | The Soul of Patents Can Be Creepy - Inventors Digest
[14:06]	MinceR	21 062830 < XRevan86> or a monarch
[14:06]	MinceR	anarcho-monarchism
[14:07]		*immibis_ is now known as immibis
[14:07]	immibis	this channel is such an echo chamber it's funny
[14:07]	XRevan86	MinceR: As long as it's not anarcho-totalitarianism
[14:08]	techrights-news	Another Round Of #Intel CET Patches, Still Working Toward Linux Kernel Integration - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-CET-v29 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux
[14:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Another Round Of Intel CET Patches, Still Working Toward Linux Kernel Integration - Phoronix
[14:08]	XRevan86	MinceR: Oh, it's the same thing, never mind.
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[14:09]	superkuh	This channel is mostly idle if you ignore the crazy dudes.
[14:09]	techrights-news	The NAX Linux Security Module is around "no anonymous execution" of pages." https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NAX-LSM-Module
[14:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"NAX" Linux Security Being Worked On For Helping Fend Off Fileless Malware Attacks - Phoronix
[14:11]	MinceR	21 065739 < XRevan86> Joseon is losing its reason to exist and so it will eventually stop.
[14:11]	techrights-news	They ought to call it slave, not client, because it makes you enslaved by NSA and corporate raiders https://linuxiac.com/maestral-dropbox-client/#respond
[14:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxiac.com | Maestral Dropbox Client, Find Out How to Install and Use it
[14:11]	MinceR	sometimes things keep on existing without a reason to exist
[14:11]	MinceR	like non-redhat systemd distributions
[14:12]	schestowitz-TR2	I first read that as non-systemd
[14:12]	schestowitz-TR2	or  non-redhat non-systemd
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[14:12]	schestowitz-TR2	IBM is collapsing 
[14:13]	schestowitz-TR2	I did a long video about it
[14:13]	schestowitz-TR2	Chromebooks reject systemd
[14:13]	schestowitz-TR2	you might want to ask Google why
[14:13]	schestowitz-TR2	also Android
[14:13]	MinceR	21 070220 < Ariadne> christ ,not this shit again
[14:13]	MinceR	https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/023/818/cdc.jpg
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[14:14]	schestowitz-TR2	MinceR: it looks like he's about to enter the swimming pool and needs buoys 
[14:14]	MinceR	21 142847 < phobos/jn> Has anyone ever gotten wayland to work?
[14:14]	MinceR	it sort of works on my pinephone
[14:14]	MinceR	though recently it refused to boot from the microsd card
[14:15]	schestowitz-TR2	wayland?
[14:15]	schestowitz-TR2	or the OS?
[14:15]	MinceR	lol @ buoys
[14:15]	MinceR	waylandows
[14:15]	schestowitz-TR2	"BIG LINUX"
[14:15]	schestowitz-TR2	we need wayland, x is too fat
[14:15]	schestowitz-TR2	also:
[14:15]	schestowitz-TR2	we need phones with 8GB of RAM
[14:15]	MinceR	i can switch between waylandows (phosh) and x (sxmo) on it
[14:15]	schestowitz-TR2	but x is "fat"
[14:16]	MinceR	(unfortunately, it requires rebooting)
[14:17]	schestowitz	http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Weekend-in-Sheffield/Weston-Park-Museum
[14:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Weston Park Museum
[14:17]	schestowitz	Weston... last time outside Manc... Jan 2020
[14:17]	schestowitz	No Wayland found
[14:18]	MinceR	other things that exist without a reason include idiot edgesploiter and failfox
[14:19]	schestowitz-TR2	what is that?
[14:19]	schestowitz-TR2	edgesploiter
[14:19]	schestowitz-TR2	explorer/edge?
[14:20]	schestowitz-TR2	what about chromium
[14:20]	schestowitz-TR2	are its many clones any more benign than FRAILfox?
[14:20]	schestowitz-TR2	Google's only reason to keep FRAIL alive is antitrust
[14:21]	schestowitz-TR2	Baker is like Gulag's "controlled opposition"
[14:22]	XRevan86	MinceR: Your idea of "existing for a reason" is way narrower. Probably intentionally to make a statement on all those other things.
[14:22]	MinceR	:>
[14:22]	MinceR	schestowitz-TR2: idiot edgesploiter is what the redmond mafia currently calls "edge"
[14:23]	MinceR	XRevan86: well, according to the beliefs of the systemd cult, letting the user have alternatives is heresy
[14:23]	XRevan86	MinceR: Well, now it's Chromium, so that's that.
[14:23]	MinceR	yeah
[14:23]	techrights-news	"A lot has happened around bringing #KDE applications to Android since I last wrote about that here and spoke about it at #Akademy 2021. Here are some of the highlights." https://www.volkerkrause.eu/2021/08/21/kde-android-news-aug-2021.html
[14:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.volkerkrause.eu | KDE Android Update (August 2021)
[14:23]	MinceR	it was idiot exploiter with ie's engine, then it was idiot edgesploiter with ie's engine, then it was idiot edgesploiter with blink and a new logo
[14:24]	schestowitz-TR2	and paid-for media coverage
[14:24]	schestowitz-TR2	even in some dumb 'linux' sites that participate
[14:24]	schestowitz-TR2	how to install malware
[14:24]	schestowitz-TR2	malware review
[14:24]	schestowitz-TR2	who the FORK reviews MALWARE?
[14:25]	schestowitz-TR2	and tells people to add packages.microsloth.com to repos?
[14:25]	XRevan86	MinceR: It's not "blink", it's the whole package deal.
[14:25]	schestowitz-TR2	for PROPRIETARY
[14:25]	schestowitz-TR2	(other than the corrupted rapi foundation)
[14:25]	MinceR	well, chromium still has blink, doesn't it? :>
[14:25]		*schestowitz-TR2 blinks
[14:26]	XRevan86	MinceR: It's not "IE with Blink", it's Chromium with add-ons.
[14:26]	schestowitz-TR2	it's spaghetti microsoft
[14:27]	techrights-news	#kjournald v0.0.2 https://cordlandwehr.wordpress.com/2021/08/21/kjournald-v0-0-2/ #gnu #linux #kde
[14:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cordlandwehr.wordpress.com | kjournald v0.0.2 cordlandwehr
[14:29]	XRevan86	Regarding Joseon, they're running out of things to keep it interesting even to Andrew Lee himself.
[14:29]	techrights-news	The Inner Workings (& Non-Workings) of #KDEConnect iOS https://lucaswangzx.xyz/kde_list/kde_2_kde_connect_architecture_overview #KDE
[14:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lucaswangzx.xyz | lucaswangzx_xyz
[14:30]	schestowitz-TR2	XRevan86: are there are IRC interfaces/commands by which to measure activity?
[14:30]	schestowitz-TR2	I know about total users
[14:30]	schestowitz-TR2	you could /list --YES 
[14:30]	schestowitz-TR2	and then sort the output by number of users
[14:31]	schestowitz-TR2	draw that as a graph
[14:31]	schestowitz-TR2	it would say nothing about activity but show thresholds for live/dead channels
[14:31]	schestowitz-TR2	iirc, MinceR has an account there?
[14:31]	MinceR	i do
[14:32]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Haven't seen such a thing.
[14:34]	schestowitz	Sum of Channel Populations
[14:34]	schestowitz	/list -YES -> awk add up
[14:34]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2021/07/30/freenode-self-harm/
[14:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Freenode Shrinks by Another Quarter and Gemini Continues to Grow (For Techrights at Least) | Techrights
[14:35]	schestowitz	$ <$z.sorted awk '{a+=$2;} END {print a;}'
[14:35]	schestowitz	63968 in end of July
[14:36]	schestowitz	before the cull (from 9k to 1.5k)
[14:36]	XRevan86	schestowitz: The cull was from 22K
[14:36]	XRevan86	it was just gradual
[14:36]	schestowitz	in March is was 311686
[14:37]	schestowitz	MinceR: with slight modifications you can remove channels with <5 users
[14:37]	schestowitz	and then count how many channels 'count;
[14:39]	MinceR	is this worth caring about?
[14:40]	techrights-news	So sad. The updates in the official #mancity Web site seem to have been mostly outsourced to #twitter (US/Saudi) or reduced to "tweets". As if they cannot just compose directly in a platform that THEY CONTROL. Not good. #socialcontrolmedia is corrosive. https://matchday.mancity.com/fixtures/first-team/2021/manchester-city-v-norwich-city/
[14:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-matchday.mancity.com | Mancity - Official Club Website
[14:40]	XRevan86	Sounds like trying to prove that sky is blue.
[14:41]	techrights-news	Who owns and controls #twitter for the most part? Follow the money, e.g. 1) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-34474798 2) http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/bill-gates-pays-twitter/
[14:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Meet Twitter's second biggest shareholder, Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal - BBC News
[14:41]	MinceR	i thought it was already established that the number of channels is irrelevant
[14:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Reality is Warped When You Pay for Perception Management (or: Bill Gates Pays Twitter for Propaganda) | Techrights
[14:41]	schestowitz-TR2	MinceR: yes, we care
[14:41]	schestowitz-TR2	XRevan86: the sky is actually colourless ;-)
[14:42]	schestowitz-TR2	MinceR: maybe get the list of still-attended channels
[14:42]	schestowitz-TR2	and then we can analyse what those are
[14:42]	schestowitz-TR2	my guess is, political stuff
[14:42]	MinceR	how do you filter out the ones with 0 or insufficient users in them?
[14:42]	schestowitz-TR2	people who support Lee's politics
[14:43]	MinceR	i guess i can just put the list up somewhere
[14:43]	schestowitz-TR2	MinceR: Did you get raw output with /list --yes   ?
[14:43]	schestowitz-TR2	MinceR: yes, please
[14:43]	MinceR	yes
[14:43]	schestowitz-TR2	I want to study it for a bit
[14:43]	MinceR	unfortunately, irssi has a bug in logging that means i might not have a log of status
[14:44]	XRevan86	schestowitz: It's not as colour is perceptive, and more often than not sky is perceived as blue :P
[14:44]	MinceR	i saved it with lastlog
[14:45]	schestowitz-TR2	XRevan86: there's a science as to what it seems blue
[14:45]	schestowitz-TR2	but I forgot the reason for the hue
[14:46]	XRevan86	If it looks blue, it is blue.
[14:46]	schestowitz-TR2	there's also red and blue shift in star gazing
[14:46]	XRevan86	It doesn't matter what processes lead to that.
[14:46]	XRevan86	The sky is not even a material thing, it only exists from the ground.
[14:47]	schestowitz-TR2	let me check the details...
[14:47]	XRevan86	There's no way to look at it from a different angle or something.
[14:47]	XRevan86	It's not an object.
[14:48]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_blue
[14:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Sky blue - Wikipedia
[14:48]	schestowitz	"The daytime sky appears blue because air molecules scatter shorter wavelengths of sunlight more than longer ones (redder light)."
[14:48]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky
[14:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Sky - Wikipedia
[14:49]	schestowitz	" Scattering is significant for light at all visible wavelengths, but is stronger at the shorter (bluer) end of the visible spectrum, meaning that the scattered light is bluer than its source: the Sun. The remaining direct sunlight, having lost some of its shorter-wavelength components, appears slightly less blue"
[14:49]	XRevan86	schestowitz: I know that. But again, the sky is not an object, how else would ye define what colour properties it has?
[14:49]	schestowitz	nice photo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky#/media/File:Moon_in_Sunrise_Sky_2.jpg
[14:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Sky - Wikipedia
[14:49]	XRevan86	By looking at it up close?
[14:49]	MinceR	objectify it first
[14:49]	schestowitz	sky isn't always blue
[14:50]	schestowitz	sometimes it is
[14:50]	schestowitz	here in manchester right now it is grey
[14:50]	schestowitz	grey-white
[14:50]	schestowitz	no hues of blue at all
[14:50]	MinceR	skyObj = (Sky)sky;
[14:50]	XRevan86	MinceR: :D
[14:50]		*XRevan86 looks outside: it's just white.
[14:51]	XRevan86	with some blueness peeking out of the clouds
[14:52]	XRevan86	schestowitz: So that's "colourless"?
[14:52]	XRevan86	"Colour is the characteristic of visual perception"
[14:53]	XRevan86	There is not "$THING is actually $COLOR"
[14:53]	techrights-news	Nishit Patel: #GSoC final submission http://www.nishitpatel.tech/gsoc #gnome #gnu #linux
[14:53]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://www.nishitpatel.tech/gsoc )
[14:54]	XRevan86	because colour does not exist outside the human skull.
[14:54]	XRevan86	So there's no "actually" by definition.
[14:54]	MinceR	http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-8900-ex
[14:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-scp-wiki.wikidot.com | SCP-8900-EX - SCP Foundation
[14:58]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Also don't look up human iris close-ups.
[14:58]	XRevan86	"there's a science as to what it seems green"
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[15:56]	techrights-news	Nishit Patel: #GSoC final submission http://www.nishitpatel.tech/gsoc #gnome #gnu #linux
[15:56]	schestowitz	Joseon/Chosn IRC: Almost 5,000 Registered Channels (From Interim Freenode), But Only a Few Dozen Channels Have a Dozen or More Users http://techrights.org/2021/08/21/joseon-channels/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/21/joseon-channels
[15:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Joseon/Chosn IRC: Almost 5,000 Registered Channels (From Interim Freenode), But Only a Few Dozen Channels Have a Dozen or More Users | Techrights
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[16:00]	techrights-news	"IBM has had a love hate relationship with the Channel since it was born in the mid-late 90s IBM loves its lower cost (you only pay partners when they sell), but #IBM hates the lack of relationship with the end user customers" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cp1eEaZ#replies
[16:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | USA Marketing RAs today - post regarding IBM layoffs
[16:00]	techrights-news	#ibm #layoffs #sales "Everyone in Channels should be canned. The whole organization is such a waste of resources. Totally redundant and unnecessary" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cp1eEaZ#replies
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[16:02]	techrights-news	#techrights will publish a very long about #ibm layoffs very shortly. Transcoding and uploading in parallel at the moment.
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[16:28]	blitzed	!COFFEE
[16:30]	MinceR	(audio:unimportant) https://hugelolcdn.com/v/767254.webm
[16:31]	XRevan86	MinceR: I am disturbed by what I just witnessed.
[16:31]	MinceR	:)
[16:31]	XRevan86	Are they really using the magnet stripe?
[16:32]	schestowitz	what is that?
[16:32]	schestowitz	where is that?
[16:32]	schestowitz	what is that music?
[16:33]	schestowitz	context lacking...
[16:41]	techrights-news	Many IBM Layoffs (in Marketing), But the Media Is Not Mentioning Those Layoffs At All http://techrights.org/2021/08/21/ibm-layoffs-in-marketing/ #redhat #ibm #layoffs #coverup #marketing
[16:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Many IBM Layoffs (in Marketing), But the Media Is Not Mentioning Those Layoffs At All | Techrights
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[17:00]	techrights-news	[Meme] IBM Is Not Helping the Cause or Barely Helping GNU/Linux and Software Freedom http://techrights.org/2021/08/21/ibm-failing/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/21/ibm-failing/
[17:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] IBM Is Not Helping the Cause or Barely Helping GNU/Linux and Software Freedom | Techrights
[17:03]	techrights-news	Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154752 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[17:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
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[17:26]	techrights-news	#CodeWeavers still hiring for a 'General Wine Developer' to work on Wine and Proton | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/08/codeweavers-still-hiring-for-a-general-wine-developer-to-work-on-wine-and-proton #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games
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[17:28]	techrights-news	A listing of top (by number of users) channels in the new #Freenode ; very few channels are active and our 5 channels there are an output of the bridge; some of the users are just bots http://techrights.org/2021/08/21/joseon-channels/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/21/joseon-channels/
[17:28]	techrights-news	#IBM has a grip on the media, so many people wont know about the recent layoffs; as if without IBM formally declaring those layoffs set aside the exodus the media lacks the authority to mention that it is happening http://techrights.org/2021/08/21/ibm-layoffs-in-marketing/
[17:29]	techrights-news	Since taking over Red Hat, back in late 2018, #IBM has practically done far too little for us; it repeatedly attacked the #FSF , it basically killed off #CentOS , and it is liaising with #Microsoft in its attacks on #copyleft http://techrights.org/2021/08/21/ibm-failing/
[17:29]	techrights-news	#Top 13 Best #GNOME Extensions That are Beautiful (2021 Picks) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154753 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[17:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top 13 Best GNOME Extensions That are Beautiful (2021 Picks) | Tux Machines
[17:58]	MinceR	21 173131 < XRevan86> Are they really using the magnet stripe?
[17:58]	MinceR	yes
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[18:21]	MinceR	(cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB2pLFcEJW0   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vIfwD3BHU8
[18:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tigers meow like house cats, just a few octaves lower. - YouTube
[18:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tiger meows like a cat - YouTube
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[20:22]	DaemonFC	Well, the toll road was cheap. It saved us a lot of time too.
[20:23]	DaemonFC	I should have just gotten one of these I-Pass things a long time ago.
[20:28]	AdmFubar	https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2021/08/17/infringing-influencers-federal-judge-says-sponsored-blogger-can-face-trademark-infringement-liability/id=136816/
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[20:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ipwatchdog.com | GrubHub, DoorDash Services Take Off During Pandemic: A Look at the Patents on Food Delivery Inventions
[20:30]	AdmFubar	https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2021/03/17/seven-years-after-alice-63-2-of-the-u-s-patents-issued-in-2020-were-software-related/id=130978/
[20:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ipwatchdog.com | Seven Years After Alice, 63.2% of the U.S. Patents Issued in 2020 were Software-Related
[20:31]	AdmFubar	https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2021/08/10/patent-owner-sues-former-uspto-officials-improperly-stacking-deck/id=136647/
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[20:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ipwatchdog.com | Biden Nominates First Chief Innovation and Intellectual Property Negotiator
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[21:40]	schestowitz	AdmFubar: we boycott THAT site :-)
[21:40]	schestowitz	The only site about patents that we boycott
[21:41]	schestowitz	and try not to send traffic to so it'll die faster http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Watchtroll
[21:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Watchtroll - Techrights
[21:43]	Ariadne	patents are trash anyway
[21:43]	Ariadne	well design patents are ok
[21:43]	Ariadne	but the rest of them are trash
[21:44]	Ariadne	also amazon sucks because amazon basics rips off other products and makes a crappy knockoff of them
[21:44]	Ariadne	i am very okay with design patents being enforced against amazon when they do that
[21:45]	schestowitz	trademarks or patents?
[21:45]	Ariadne	patents
[21:45]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2018/08/02/design-patents-legitimacy/
[21:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Design Patents: When Appearances Rather Than Inventions and Functions Are Oddly Enough Covered by Patents, Not Copyrights or Trademarks | Techrights
[21:45]	schestowitz	they're some of the worst
[21:45]	schestowitz	and many countries do not allow them
[21:45]	Ariadne	i mean, they shouldn't be patents
[21:45]	Ariadne	but
[21:45]	Ariadne	i don't think it is cool that amazon, for example, is selling knockoff versions of things which are really much crappier than the real one
[21:50]	schestowitz	"knockoff" is a very broad concept
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[22:50]	schestowitz-TR2	Ariadne: I will post some old videos about patents
[22:50]	schestowitz-TR2	about the very basics of them
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[23:21]	MinceR	https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/language-4
[23:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Language
[23:28]	DaemonFC	https://wgntv.com/news/moaning-crying-unable-to-move-photo-shows-florida-covid-19-patient-on-floor-of-antibody-treatment-site/
[23:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | Moaning, crying, unable to move: Photo shows Florida COVID-19 patient on floor of antibody treatment site | WGN-TV
[23:31]	schestowitz	a lot of suffering
[23:32]	schestowitz	"
[23:32]	schestowitz	Our European visitors are important to us.
[23:32]	schestowitz	This site is currently unavailable to visitors from the European Economic Area while we work to ensure your data is protected in accordance with applicable EU laws.
[23:32]	schestowitz	"
[23:35]	MinceR	our european visitors are important to us, except not really
[23:35]	schestowitz-TR2	yeah
[23:36]	schestowitz-TR2	they're just moaners
[23:36]	schestowitz-TR2	and unable to move
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