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● Aug 21
[00:01]	DaemonFC	Employed and insured.
[00:01]	DaemonFC	The Democrats have been good to us, Roy
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[00:11]	DaemonFC	Holy shit. CNN actually respects the save-data HTTP header.
[00:13]	psydruid	Weapons of Mass Destruction
[00:13]	psydruid	of American lives
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[00:32]	DaemonFC	https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/teamviewer-font-privacy.html
[00:32]	TR Bot	 TeamViewer installs suspicious font only useful for web fingerprinting | Ctrl blog
[00:33]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], ^
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● Aug 21
[01:00]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Great Clips sent me a hair cut coupon. $14.99 (plus tip obviously).
[01:00]	DaemonFC	The coupons used to be like $8.99 or $9.99 a couple of years ago.
[01:01]	DaemonFC	So even the coupon rate for a haircut (pre-tip) is 150% of what it cost two years ago.
[01:01]	DaemonFC	But inflation "is only 8-9% per year".
[01:03]	DaemonFC	What we're really seeing is a fire burning out of control.
[01:04]	DaemonFC	https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/fed-minutes-may-hint-rationale-size-coming-rate-hikes-2022-08-17/
[01:04]	TR Bot	minutes show more rate hikes in the pipeline, but pace could slow | Reuters
[01:04]	DaemonFC	"Participants agreed that there was little evidence to date that inflation pressures were subsiding," the minutes said.
[01:05]	DaemonFC	"Though some reduction in inflation, which has been running at four-decade highs, might occur through improving global supply chains or drops in the prices of fuel and other commodities, much of the heavy lifting would have to come by imposing such high borrowing costs on businesses and households that they would spend less, the minutes stated."
[01:05]	DaemonFC	Which basically "puts out the fire" by causing job loss.
[01:06]	DaemonFC	Like Clintonista economist Larry Summers gloating that their plan is to double the unemployment rate "for five years".
[01:12]	heureka	DaemonFC: it is +50% in how many years exactly?
[01:13]	DaemonFC	In early 2020, right before lockdown bullshit, the coupons said "$9.99+tax".
[01:13]	DaemonFC	Now they say "$14.99+tax".
[01:13]	heureka	+50% total in 10 years for example is equivalent to an annual inflation of +4.5% compound interest
[01:13]	DaemonFC	Yes, but it's +50 in 2 years and 6 months.
[01:14]	heureka	question is, when a haircut first was available for $10
[01:14]	DaemonFC	So what does that work out to?
[01:14]	heureka	for example, if a haircut was $10 in year 2010, then the inflation in thos should be calcualted since 2010
[01:14]	DaemonFC	Well, in 2008, they were sending out the "$6.99+tax" coupons.
[01:15]	DaemonFC	So we know that in 12 years, it only went up by $3, but then in 2.5 years it went up another $5.
[01:15]	heureka	ok, then to keep it simple let's say 2010 it was $10, and 2020 it increased +50% in 10 years
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[01:15]	DaemonFC	It's weird that it stayed so remarkably stable for a decade.
[01:16]	DaemonFC	Then in 2.5 years they're like "Fuck this!" and hiked it up 50% all at once.
[01:17]	DaemonFC	A comedian joked that Bill Gates "refused to spend more than $10 on a haircut".
[01:17]	heureka	well, if annual income increase averaged at +4.5% compound interest then they lost several years of income already
[01:17]	DaemonFC	I suppose that would be the $15 haircut today.
[01:17]	DaemonFC	So we know Gates won't go over 15 on a haircut or a girl.
[01:18]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], You mentioned Gates, Epstein and JONES earlier.
[01:18]	MinceR	i don't care how much gAIDS spends on haircuts
[01:18]	MinceR	i do care about what he's done to this industry and to this society
[01:18]	DaemonFC	I've noticed that pedos lose interest fast after about age 15.
[01:19]	DaemonFC	So I'm certain it isn't only about power, because it would still be breaking the law for a year or two in most states.
[01:19]	DaemonFC	Some people get their kicks breaking the law and laughing that nobody will stop them.
[01:19]	DaemonFC	(Power trip.)
[01:19]	heureka	MinceR: was it BillG? his product was/is Altair Basic
[01:19]	heureka	that's far less harmful than most of what GNU/FSF advertise as software freedom nowadays
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[01:20]	heureka	although BillG still presents his visage for the IBM Wintel11 crap
[01:20]	DaemonFC	Well, whether an implementation of BASIC was Free or Non-Free made very little difference to the user in the days of early home computing.
[01:20]	DaemonFC	It was burned into a firmware ROM that nobody could change.
[01:20]	heureka	altair basic was distributed as paper tape
[01:21]	heureka	initially
[01:21]	DaemonFC	So you were programming for the computer. What the computer allowed you to do was make programs using something that couldn't be changed if you wanted to (or if the manufacturer wanted to).
[01:21]	DaemonFC	Commodore BASIC was Microsoft's as well.
[01:21]	DaemonFC	That's the one I had the most exposure to growing up.
[01:21]	heureka	interesting
[01:21]	heureka	ok
[01:23]	DaemonFC	Commodore modified it under license from Microsoft.
[01:23]	DaemonFC	They actually got a source license with modification rights.
[01:23]	DaemonFC	So there were different revisions of Commodore BASIC in their later models.
[01:24]	DaemonFC	Apparently, the CEO of Commodore was angry with Bill Gates, because Microsoft left a calling card in it.
[01:24]	DaemonFC	If you made a specially crafted program and commanded it to run, it would print out MICROSOFT to the screen.
[01:24]	heureka	seems to be opensource nowadays, don't know what was available in 1980s
[01:24]	heureka	https://github.com/microsoft/GW-BASIC
[01:24]	TR Bot	- microsoft/GW-BASIC: The original source code of Microsoft GW-BASIC from 1983
[01:24]	DaemonFC	The CEO was pissed because the system only had 64 K of RAM and it took some lines of code to do this, and it all got loaded into the memory.
[01:25]	heureka	Microsoft BASIC: "All files within this repo are released under the MIT (OSI) License as per the LICENSE file stored in the root of this repo"
[01:26]	heureka	this is the BillG product, and it's opensource and free software
[01:32]	starstreak	"It's like having mission control right on my PC" - Gary Winston (Anti-Trust)
[01:34]	heureka	don't know when these source were first released into public, and there was many other basic interpreter vendors
[01:36]	MinceR	heureka: under gAIDS's leadership, the redmond mafia bullied all PC manufacturers into bundling their alleged computers with MICROS~1's alleged operating systems
[01:36]	MinceR	and often into locking those alleged computers into MICROS~1's alleged operating systems
[01:37]	heureka	MinceR: no doubt
[01:37]	MinceR	they defrauded many individuals and businesses
[01:37]	MinceR	their products turned PCs into spam-sending zombies
[01:38]	heureka	however, the recent MICROS~1 product line isn't a one of BillG, WinNT emerged from DEC (OpenVMS)
[01:38]	heureka	and it's the surrounding political interests close nearby Washington and the Pentagon, who pushed the mentioned agenda
[01:38]	MinceR	Backdoors NT combines the design flaws of ["open"]VMS with the design flaws of Backdoors and DOS
[01:39]	DaemonFC	GW-BASIC is better commented than I figured it would be.
[01:39]	MinceR	there's a single comment in the source code?
[01:39]	starstreak	heureka, the pentagon, of course
[01:39]	DaemonFC	Basically every line tells you what it's doing.
[01:39]	DaemonFC	If anything this is a bit excessive.
[01:40]	heureka	it isn't; comments are easily stripped if desired
[01:40]	DaemonFC	Nice. Microsoft backdated their Code of Conduct file to February 10, 1983.
[01:41]	heureka	i see another problem with BillG's BASIC: "Contains no build scripts, makefiles, or tools required to generate executable binaries, nor does it contain any pre-built binaries / executables"
[01:41]	heureka	reminds me of the Assembler issue i was ranting about recently
[01:41]	MinceR	curious
[01:41]	heureka	and well, yes, basic is implemented in ASM
[01:41]	DaemonFC	MinceR, Wouldn't want to be phobic of the transformers.
[01:42]	MinceR	the redmond mafia was notorious for not documenting their code
[01:42]	DaemonFC	Or the decepticons.
[01:42]	DaemonFC	You'd make mjg59_ cross.
[01:45]	MinceR	DaemonFC: i thought it was supposed to be transmissions in english (and transistors in hungarian)
[01:46]	DaemonFC	MinceR, Sorry I'm late. Tranny problems.
[01:46]	DaemonFC	I just had her rebuilt and she's been acting a little strange since then. :/
[01:46]	starstreak	i was almost offended
[01:46]	starstreak	XD
[01:46]	MinceR	:>
[01:51]		*DaemonFC sends mjg59_ a copy of Twisted Transistor by Korn
[01:52]	DaemonFC	Hey you! Hey you! Finally you get it!
[01:52]	DaemonFC	The world ain't fair....eat you if you let it!
[01:52]	DaemonFC	;)
[01:53]	DaemonFC	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=o7uGPWFwg1I
[01:53]	TR Bot	 Korn - Twisted Transistor - Invidious
[01:55]	heureka	i'm still shocked, all free software libc i knew contain much ASM which cannot be digested by an alternative assembler
[01:56]	DaemonFC	The best episode of Better Call Saul was definitely the one where he goaded the members of a golf club to seem antisemitic and then made a huge spectacle of it after he goaded his former boss into nearly punching him and then begged for permission to use the restroom if that would be okay.
[01:57]	DaemonFC	(Which he used to plant cocaine in Howard's locker.)
[01:57]	starstreak	lol
[01:57]	heureka	shocked for several reasons: such as i consider GNU software not suitable for tinier embedded and mission critical systems (it's too complicated software by design for this)
[01:57]	starstreak	better call saul and mr robot are my two favourite shows of all time
[01:57]	DaemonFC	Saul Goodman turned out to be worse than Walter White.
[01:58]	heureka	and even worse, if the complexity is mutual and locks out any real alternative (LLVM and whatever assemblers they got arn't an alternative)
[01:58]	DaemonFC	I definitely didn't see it coming. They left the best parts for the last couple episodes.
[01:58]	starstreak	I didn't like the ending
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[01:59]	DaemonFC	Yeah, I started seriously not liking Saul Goodman anymore after the episode where he goaded his own brother into committing suicide.
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[02:00]	DaemonFC	And then after Howard I really hated him.
[02:00]	starstreak	I didn't hate him, I was rooting for him lol
[02:00]	DaemonFC	Howard was a jerk but he didn't have that coming.
[02:00]	heureka	do you know any alternative aarch32 "free software" assembler (not GNU gas and not LLVM) which could digest the aarch32 asm inside musl-libc?
[02:00]	heureka	it's just an exemplary case
[02:00]	heureka	and practically relevant too
[02:00]	DaemonFC	Up until that it was kind of funny when Saul was just dropping bowling balls on his car or something, you know?
[02:01]	starstreak	the hookers were the best lol
[02:01]	starstreak	showing up while Howard is having a lunch meeting
[02:01]	DaemonFC	Yeah, everything up to getting murdered, Howard deserved it.
[02:01]	DaemonFC	He had it coming just for how much grief he put Jimmy/Saul through.
[02:01]	starstreak	he didnt kill howard tho
[02:02]	starstreak	wrong place at the wrong time
[02:02]	heureka	or, another question: is it at least feasible to implement an alternative aarch32 assembler which could digest the asm inside musl-libc?
[02:02]	DaemonFC	If Howard hadn't been such a dick to Jimmy, he never would have turned into Saul Goodman. He would have made partner at HHM and he would have probably become a respectable lawyer, even meeting the approval of his brother.
[02:02]	DaemonFC	His brother and Howard did themselves in by tormenting Jimmy and disrespecting him and stopping his career from advancing at HHM.
[02:03]	DaemonFC	They turned him into Saul.
[02:03]	starstreak	i agree with that
[02:03]	starstreak	there was another good one, where he is doing community service and threatens to sue the guy if he cant lay down for a bit
[02:04]	DaemonFC	Yeah, that is how this country works.
[02:04]	DaemonFC	So the guy put down he was doing his hours because he couldn't afford the possibility of having to face an angry pissed off lawyer with nothing better to do than run him into the ground.
[02:04]	starstreak	lol
[02:05]	starstreak	i would love to be a lawyer but i didn't have the cash so i went with the paralegal route
[02:05]	starstreak	almost as powerful as a lawyer
[02:05]	DaemonFC	I've represented myself in legal cases before.
[02:05]	starstreak	paralegals can have clients where im from
[02:05]	DaemonFC	A couple of high stakes civil matters where I just could not afford proper representation.
[02:06]	DaemonFC	I actually fared rather well.
[02:06]	starstreak	i've represented myself in tons of cases for transgender discrimination 
[02:06]	DaemonFC	I had to carry our Immigration case while we were between attorneys and had to submit another set of case files, and they were approved.
[02:06]	DaemonFC	I convinced a judge in Indiana to strike down part of the Medicaid law.
[02:07]	DaemonFC	When the state couldn't fix it at the Supreme Court, they repealed it and rewrote that section, and it made several thousand people newly eligible for Medicaid.
[02:08]	DaemonFC	Indiana is really fucked up. They were trying to prevent people from getting Medicaid, by whatever means necessary.
[02:09]	DaemonFC	But found plenty of money to give to IBM to botch the transition of the FSSA into a public-private partnership.
[02:09]	DaemonFC	I think I mentioned this to schestowitz[TR] 
[02:09]	heureka	FSSA?
[02:09]	DaemonFC	Family and Social Services Administration
[02:09]	DaemonFC	The Illinois counterpart is called the Department of Human Services.
[02:10]	DaemonFC	You move between states and the names of all of the government agencies changes, including the DMV.
[02:10]	DaemonFC	Some states call the license branch the Department of Motor Vehicles.
[02:10]	DaemonFC	In New Mexico, it's the Motor Vehicle Division.
[02:11]	DaemonFC	In some states (including Illinois and Michigan), it's the Secretary of State.
[02:11]	DaemonFC	In Indiana, it's the Bureau of Motor Vehicles.
[02:11]	DaemonFC	Indiana isn't so violent that their DMV needs its own police force.
[02:12]	DaemonFC	But in Illinois, there are "Secretary of State police officers".
[02:15]	DaemonFC	https://github.com/microsoft/GW-BASIC/blob/master/BIBOOT.ASM
[02:15]	TR Bot	at master microsoft/GW-BASIC GitHub
[02:15]	DaemonFC	Right off, there's a hack to make BASIC work on DOS.
[02:16]	starstreak	https://www.qb64.com
[02:16]	TR Bot	 QB64 is a modern extended BASIC programming language that retains QBasic/QuickBASIC 4.5 compatibility and compiles native binaries for Windows, Linux, and macOS.
[02:16]	DaemonFC	Okay, I dumped out my gasoline rebate account into a Walmart gift card.
[02:17]	DaemonFC	I'm doing that now so I don't have to dump rebates into PayPal which may end up on a 1099-K going to the IRS. Rebates are not taxable, but it could still create a tax form I don't want.
[02:17]	DaemonFC	So....
[02:17]	heureka	well, i'm still more curious about the ASM question
[02:19]	heureka	seems for aarch32 there isn't any real alternative assembler implementation, which could digest musl-libc (or any other libc)
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[02:20]	heureka	with i386 bootstrappable.org did hack musl-libc and too i386-tcc assembler, and succeeded; however ia32 is problematic for that many other reasons i am not willing to move there
[02:21]	heureka	in the end, it's a few hundred lines of ASM which crushed the whole idea of a tcc-toolchain (no binutils, no gcc, no llvm)
[02:22]	heureka	hence the question, if it was at least feasible to implement an assembler for this, is the key to understanding anti-competitive vendor-lock and where GNU is positioned
[02:23]	DaemonFC	I'm considering coming up with the documents to apply for tribal citizenship with the Cherokee Nation.
[02:25]	starstreak	DaemonFC, you should do that
[02:26]	heureka	which assembler and hardware would GNU/FSF endorse as "free software"? their x86/64 GNU gas one and vendor-lock into it?
[02:27]	heureka	or, is it possible/desirable to dissect the aarch32 gas implementation and move that over into arm-tcc assembler (it's both GPL)?
[02:30]	heureka	stumbled upon some aarch32 asm inside libffi(required for python) too... i don't know if this is the type of "free software"
[02:31]	heureka	and the design-rationale of tcc seems different to GNU, meaning i may not want to re-implement GNU gas there for the sake of it
[02:33]	DaemonFC	I don't know why Russians get special treatment as "Orcs".
[02:33]	DaemonFC	That description could easily describe any nation of the modern industrialized world.
[02:33]	heureka	even dieatlibc, it's fully loaded with GNU gas... no idea how such a libc could ever be digested reasonably without binutils
[02:34]	heureka	dietlibc
[02:34]	DaemonFC	They reproduce, they sprawl. One person wastes more than they actually use.
[02:34]	DaemonFC	They make war on each other when that's not enough.
[02:34]	DaemonFC	They burn they foul their own nests.
[02:35]	DaemonFC	I mean, it takes a really special kind of stupid to want to live near this kind of pollution.
[02:35]	heureka	"Orcs"?
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[02:43]	DaemonFC	<heureka> "Orcs"?
[02:43]	DaemonFC	Like in the Lord of the Rings.
[02:44]	DaemonFC	Disgusting creatures. Used as Sauron's army.
[02:45]	DaemonFC	https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Orcs
[02:45]	TR Bot	 Orcs | The One Wiki to Rule Them All | Fandom
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[03:04]	starstreak	orcs are also in warcraft
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[03:04]	starstreak	https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Orc
[03:04]	TR Bot	 Orc - Wowpedia - Your wiki guide to the World of Warcraft
[03:07]	starstreak	the only thing I miss about having a windows gaming pc is world of warcraft
[03:08]	starstreak	it might work in wine but i don't have a gpu
[03:16]	bnchs	wine's directx to opengl translation surprisingly works well
[03:16]	bnchs	s/directx/direct3d/
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[03:32]	starstreak	i used to play the burning crusade expansion in wine and it ran better than it did in windows
[03:33]	starstreak	but that was a long time ago and the game has had an upgrade in the gfx dept
[03:34]	starstreak	there are private servers that run older versions of wow, i could try those on my intel gpu
[03:45]	DaemonFC	https://libapps.salisbury.edu/nabb-online/exhibits/show/native-americans-then-and-now/introduction/the-white-savior
[03:45]	TR Bot	 The White Savior Native Americans Then and Now Nabb Research Center Online Exhibits
[03:46]	DaemonFC	This is an example of what we're up against. The movie was a fictional story. In the story, it showed the tribe being attacked by a much more dangerous and violent tribe, and they were badly outnumbered.
[03:47]	DaemonFC	Kevin Costner saying "Hey, I have a lot of guns." is apparently a "white savior" problem even though it took up like 2-3 minutes of screen time in a 4 hour movie.
[03:48]	DaemonFC	James Cameron basically plagiarized Dances With Wolves, badly, in "Avatar".
[03:48]	heureka	english language is too limited to translate correctly at least
[03:48]	DaemonFC	He sidestepped the idiots screaming "white savior" by making the antagonists "human soldiers" in general and the people that Jake Sully saves "aliens".
[03:49]	heureka	which means, "weise" doesn't translate to a color, it translates to wisdom
[03:50]	DaemonFC	https://libapps.salisbury.edu/nabb-online/exhibits/show/native-americans-then-and-now/introduction/the-white-savior/representation-in-dances-with-
[03:50]	TR Bot	 Representation in Dances with Wolves Native Americans Then and Now Nabb Research Center Online Exhibits
[03:50]	DaemonFC	"The beginning of the film Dances with Wolves affirms the Native American stereotypes that have been running through the foundations of our societies. In the first appearance of Native characters arrive ominous intimidating music loudens, and all the white characters are struck with fear. The Native Americans killed a white settler very brutally and called them savages. This is not an accurate depiction of them."
[03:51]	DaemonFC	Some Native American tribes would strike preemptively against settlers who were poorly armed (maybe some rifles for hunting).
[03:55]	DaemonFC	https://old.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/on4wug/dances_with_wolves_avoids_the_white_savior/
[03:55]	TR Bot	 Dances With Wolves avoids the "white savior" problem because Dunbar does not save the natives, the natives save him : movies
[03:59]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], It struck me there's a lot of older movies I've never seen.
[03:59]	DaemonFC	The new ones are complete trash, like the music.
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[04:00]	DaemonFC	They're not just utter garbage because they have no production value and limp by on huge budgets....although that is the main problem.
[04:00]	starstreak	music was great in the 00s
[04:00]	DaemonFC	It's like empty calories.
[04:00]	starstreak	its hit or miss after 00s
[04:01]	starstreak	still some good songs come out but nothing that impressive
[04:01]	DaemonFC	The rest of the problem is that people like mjg59_ and the Communist Party of China have creative control over scripts now.
[04:01]	starstreak	can't say i hate new movies tho
[04:01]	heureka	the "loudness war" ruined allmost all music since 00s
[04:01]	DaemonFC	So you can't sit down and write anything a normal person should want to watch.
[04:01]	heureka	there isn't any decent productions anymore
[04:02]	DaemonFC	The newer music is all just noise or someone singing about their vagina in the most vulgar terms.
[04:02]	starstreak	Apple Music killed my love for iOS, I can't put music on my phone anymore, maybe i could with itunes for windows
[04:03]	DaemonFC	It really is all written by the most vile people for the most vile people. I wouldn't say that film has gotten that bad yet, as music, but it's a lot worse than it once was.
[04:03]	starstreak	its supposed to work in rhythmbox but libimobiledevice is catching up
[04:04]	DaemonFC	People today are stupid, and stupid people are crude people, and stupid people are violent people.
[04:04]	starstreak	i have a massive collection of music on another hard drive, probably like 30GB
[04:04]	DaemonFC	When you have crude and violent people, you can only get a court system that's jammed up for the next 5 years and getting worse.
[04:04]	starstreak	i converted all my flac into alac so i could play on the iphone back in the day
[04:04]	DaemonFC	So, like, the law is breaking down.
[04:05]	starstreak	i might convert all my alac to flac now
[04:05]	DaemonFC	Most misdemeanors in Chicago get nolle prosse'd which is lawyer-speak for letting them go "in the interest of justice".
[04:05]	DaemonFC	But really it's because there's so many serious felonies that they no longer have time for misdemeanants and it becomes allocation of resources.
[04:06]	DaemonFC	Like Mr. GULAG's shining city.
[04:06]	heureka	DaemonFC:  why are you regularly insulting him?
[04:07]	DaemonFC	Because he's the antichrist.
[04:07]	starstreak	Apple Music: Pay us $10/month so you can put music you already own on your iPhone
[04:07]	DaemonFC	Okay, okay, not quite. But, you know...
[04:08]	DaemonFC	<starstreak> Apple Music: Pay us $10/month so you can put music you already own on your iPhone
[04:09]	DaemonFC	Not worth it. It's basically paying them so they can persistently threaten to remove what you already have if you don't pay them.
[04:09]	DaemonFC	Some things in life, you have to tolerate that, like your mortgage lender or your landlord.
[04:09]	DaemonFC	But not Apple.
[04:09]	starstreak	i wonder if itunes for windows still lets you put music on an iphone
[04:09]	starstreak	they killed itunes on mac
[04:10]	DaemonFC	The dental insurance my spouse has, we pay and we pay.
[04:10]	DaemonFC	And they fight us tooth and nail for every goddamned dollar they have to pay out.
[04:10]	DaemonFC	It's ridiculous.
[04:10]	starstreak	i tried a few music programs on linux and nothing would let me put music on my iphone
[04:11]	DaemonFC	You know, there's a contract we have with them that says under these terms, they are obligated to pay for things that are medically necessary.
[04:11]	DaemonFC	But really what insurance does is they try to stonewall you and openly violate the contract.
[04:11]	DaemonFC	Because they know you're broke and they're part of the reason why and they have lawyers and you don't have lawyers.
[04:12]	DaemonFC	That's how power works in modern societies.
[04:12]	DaemonFC	You know, some days I'd prefer going back to frontier-style justice.
[04:12]	DaemonFC	You knew not to have adulterous relations with someone's wife because the guy would shoot you and walk away and nobody would do anything because you were right and he had it coming.
[04:13]	starstreak	im in Canada, im not legally required to pay for music so im not sure why i would give apple $10/month
[04:13]	DaemonFC	In a system where the consequences are likely to be severe and immediate, people watch themselves.
[04:13]	DaemonFC	A modern justice system is just a different kind of the strong preying on the week.
[04:13]	DaemonFC	*weak
[04:14]	DaemonFC	Whoever has more money is the one the state protects, even if it would never say that. Like why the police won't take our report about my sister-in-law.
[04:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[04:26]	starstreak	DaemonFC, have you ever received a diagnosis for autism spectrum disorder?
[04:35]	DaemonFC	One of my psychiatrists said he suspected it.
[04:36]	starstreak	https://www.idrlabs.com/autism-spectrum/test.php
[04:36]	TR Bot	 Autism Spectrum Test
[04:37]	starstreak	DaemonFC, i suspect it too, i got a radar for it
[04:37]	starstreak	walls of text are pretty common for autistics
[04:37]	starstreak	i do the same thing 
[04:37]	starstreak	im autistic
[04:40]	DaemonFC	There's more than one thing going on in my head I'm sure.
[04:40]	DaemonFC	They're treating me for bipolar disorder.
[04:43]	DaemonFC	I wonder how people can say this movie is an example of "white savior complex".
[04:43]	DaemonFC	Like, all but two white people in this movie are portrayed as total scum.
[04:45]	starstreak	autism is often misdiagnosed as bipolar disorder
[04:46]	DaemonFC	Liberals: This movie where white people are causing all of the problems is an example of pro-white bias!
[04:54]	starstreak	i just watched 2001 and now im watching 2010
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[05:08]	DaemonFC	"On Tuesday, Walmart surprised Wall Street with better-than-expected sales and a 8.4 percent jump in profits as new shoppers turned to it for groceries and other essentials. Same-store sales, a key metric, jumped 6.5 percent. The nations largest retailer saw its shares pop more than 5 percent that day, then close out the week 4.3 percent higher."
[05:08]	DaemonFC	Walmart usually does well when the economy is in the shitter and people really need to save a few bucks on things.
[05:08]	DaemonFC	"But Target missed analyst expectations, recording a 90 percent drop in profit as it worked to clear excess inventory."
[05:09]	DaemonFC	Target is basically "expensive Walmart". They also failed to expand as much into groceries. I noticed the floor space devoted to groceries is lower as a percentage. About 40-45% of a Walmart store's square footage is "consumables" compared with 25% or so at Target.
[05:10]	DaemonFC	They also can't get their costs down. Their CEO says this is all temporary, but I predict that Target will be the next KMart.
[05:10]	DaemonFC	They used to be in every town in America and now there's like 6 stores left.
[05:11]	DaemonFC	"Though food and beverage sales surpassed all other categories for Target, Walmart saw bigger gains because of an influx of new customers looking to save a few dollars on food and back-to-school merchandise."
[05:11]	DaemonFC	We've been shopping there all along. I've never had the extra room in the budget to go shopping at a big grocery store unless I was just hitting them up on a sale or something.
[05:12]	DaemonFC	But I'm like, laser focused. I'm not the customer you want to have if you run a store like that. I go in there, buy all of your chicken and freeze it, and you don't make much on me.
[05:12]	DaemonFC	I tend to have some extremely expensive meat shopping trips at the start of a calendar year when grocery is a bonus category.
[05:13]	DaemonFC	I froze enough chicken, steak, ground beef, and pork in the first 3 months of the year that I haven't had to buy any meat since the cashback quarter ended on March 31st.
[05:13]	DaemonFC	And I still have enough to last about 6 months
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[05:28]	starstreak	Target failed in Canada
[05:28]	starstreak	i actually liked it
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[05:47]	phanes	I suppose I should finish my analysis of the Todd v. Lovecruft case and start publishing on it so I can move on to Appelbaum and Stallman.
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[05:48]	phanes	She's buried herself in layers of activist sentiment to try to barb up any exposure of her so it'll need to be careful.
[05:50]	phanes	There are gaping holes there, though (no pun intended).
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[06:13]	psydruid	http://www.egr.unlv.edu/~ed/x86.html
[06:13]	TR Bot	 x86 Assembly Language Programming with Ubuntu
[06:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[06:21]	TR News	#Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, August 20, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
[06:21]	TR Bot	 Bulletin Archives
[06:21]	TR News	#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
[06:21]	TR Bot	 Techrights Full IPFS Index
[06:25]	TR News	Re: Anglophone Deficiencies gemini://eph.smol.pub/1660965775
[06:26]	TR News	"Pretty much all except one main character has been introduced, with the pink hair girl being the what I'd describe as the 1st main character (have fun with me describing them by their hair colour/characteristics)." gemini://cyi1341.smol.pub/random15
[06:27]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D329.jpg
[06:27]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D680.jpg
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[06:28]	TR News	A Licence is Not a Virus gemini://malinfreeborn.com/gen/viral_licencing.gmi
[06:29]	TR News	"...be careful not to fall into a trap of mistaking social media engagement from the actual community-seeking that you need." gemini://degrowther.smol.pub/20220820_social_media
[06:30]	TR News	"I've made some more progress on my calendar program (currently called Horus). I've added code to locally calculate the sunrise, sunset, solar noon, dusk, and dawn of a date given a location (longitude and latitude) and timezone." gemini://auragem.space/~krixano/20220820.gmi
[06:32]	TR News	Using Microsoft systemd to become a slave of Microsoft gemini://perso.pw/blog/articles/on-demand-minecraft-with-systemd.gmi
[06:43]	TR News	Debian Cannot Keep Burying the Inconvenient Facts | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/21/debian-private-gossip/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/21/debian-private-gossip/
[06:43]	TR Bot	 Debian Cannot Keep Burying the Inconvenient Facts | Techrights
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[07:08]	DaemonFC	KMart used to be my dad's favorite place to go kill time at.
[07:08]	TR News	Is Lying About the AGPL Considered Good for Business Now? | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/21/agpl-fud-not-good-for-business/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/21/agpl-fud-not-good-for-business/
[07:08]	TR Bot	 Is Lying About the AGPL Considered Good for Business Now? | Techrights
[07:08]	DaemonFC	There wasn't much to do in my home town. There's never been more than about 6,000 people there. It was just big enough to have a KMart.
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[07:09]	DaemonFC	My dad used to go there with me and walk around window shopping or occasionally buying something.
[07:09]	TR News	[Old] "Evaluating DDS, MQTT, and ZeroMQ Under Different IoT Traffic Conditions" http://www.dre.vanderbilt.edu/~gokhale/WWW/papers/M4IoT2020.pdf |
[07:10]	TR News	"To sum up this response post; Martijn has his reasons for leaving and we should all respect those." https://www.pine64.org/2022/08/18/a-response-to-martijns-blog/ | Source: Pine64
[07:10]	TR Bot	 A response to Martijns blog | PINE64
[07:10]	DaemonFC	But he was there so often that the woman down the street told my mom (later when her son was one of my friends from school) that she used to think "Oh, that poor man. Something must have happened to his wife and he's raising that child all alone.".
[07:11]	TR News	"Any Ghost publication with comments enabled displays a commenting area at the bottom of each post, where members are prompted to start or join the conversation by subscribing or signing in." https://ghost.org/changelog/native-comments/ |
[07:11]	TR Bot	 Comments for Ghost
[07:11]	TR News	"Even without exposing a VoIP service, there is always a trickle of SIP traffic, probing if something is listening." https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/28950 | Source: SANS
[07:11]	TR Bot	 InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center
[07:12]	TR News	"Superconductors are the key to lossless current flow." https://phys.org/news/2022-08-superconducting-diode-external-magnetic-field.html | Source: Omicron Limited
[07:12]	TR Bot	 A superconducting diode without an external magnetic field
[07:12]	TR News	"In all of the non-nutritive sweetener groups, but in none of the controls" https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/themes/themes/health-a-wellbeing/22059-calorie-free-sweeteners-affect-microbiome-and-glycemic-response-study.html | Source: Helsinki Times
[07:12]	TR Bot	reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/themes/themes/health-a-wellbeing/22059-calorie-free-sweeteners-affect-microbiome-and-glycemic-response-study.html )
[07:13]	TR News	"The reality, a new study suggests, is that we simply dont have a good grip on how games affect our well-being, if at all." https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/08/20/1058328/we-may-never-fully-know-how-video-games-affect-our-well-being/ | Source: MIT Technology Review
[07:13]	TR Bot	 We may never fully know how video games affect our well-being | MIT Technology Review
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[07:16]	TR News	Finland's prime minister takes a drug test after criticism over her partying https://text.npr.org/1118538831 Source: text | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//text.npr.org/1118538831
[07:16]	TR Bot	 Finland's prime minister takes a drug test after criticism over her partying
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[07:17]	TR News	"I started thinking about screenshots after Jim Hall wrote an article listing GNOME screenshots, GIMP, and Firefox as the ways he often takes screenshots" https://opensource.com/article/22/8/favorite-screenshot-tool-linux | Source: OpenSource.com
[07:17]	TR Bot	your favorite screenshot tool on Linux? | Opensource.com
[07:17]	TR News	"I have been using Proxmox for a couple months now. Currently, I am hosting multiple Proxmox containers and virtual machines in my Proxmox server" https://ostechnix.com/move-proxmox-containers-vms-to-different-disk/ | Source: OSTechNix
[07:17]	TR Bot	Proxmox Containers And VMs To Different Disk - OSTechNix
[07:18]	TR News	"The ESP32 module found in the IoT Redboard is the ESP32-D0WD-V3 which features a dual-core Xtensa LX6 MCU." https://linuxgizmos.com/sparkfuns-iot-redboard-features-r3-form-factor-and-supports-freertos/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
[07:18]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/sparkfuns-iot-redboard-features-r3-form-factor-and-supports-freertos/ )
[07:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[07:25]	TR News	The Web is not improving; its only getting worse over time and people are rightly bitter about it, so we can recommend going back to basics or even defecting to Gemini http://techrights.org/2022/08/20/www-farce/
[07:25]	TR Bot	 The Web is Not Open, Its a Farce | Techrights
[07:26]	TR News	NewsWaffle is taken to the next level; people can stay abreast of news from all around the world (in any language) without leaving their Gemini client http://techrights.org/2022/08/20/news-services-in-gemini/
[07:26]	TR Bot	 NewsWaffle as a Multi-Lingual GemText News Service With Thousands of Different Sources | Techrights
[07:26]	TR News	In spite of relentless censorship attempts, Debian wrestles with the Streisand Effect as more people find themselves needing to confront uncomfortable communications http://techrights.org/2022/08/21/debian-private-gossip/
[07:26]	TR News	Fear-mongering and FUD tactics are used to oversell or overcharge for use or some particular piece of software; some packagers and maintainers arent too happy about this http://techrights.org/2022/08/21/agpl-fud-not-good-for-business/
[07:26]	TR News	 (New Entry): Today in Techrights https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Today_in_Techrights.gmi
[07:26]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Today in Techrights
[07:33]	TR News	"Going forward, the video giant will add a watermark icon to YouTube Shorts videos that creators download to share elsewhere, like on TikTok" https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/youtube-shorts-watermark-videos-tiktok-1235345578/ | Source: Variety
[07:33]	TR Bot	Shorts Adds Video Watermark for TikTok, IG Reels Cross-Posting - Variety
[07:34]	TR News	"At first glance their position appears insurmountable. Already dominant, in recent years the firms have been boosted by a covid-induced rise" https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2022/08/17/can-the-visa-mastercard-duopoly-be-broken | Source: The Economist
[07:34]	TR Bot	the Visa-Mastercard duopoly be broken? | The Economist
[07:35]	TR News	UFC Copyright Lawsuit https://torrentfreak.com/new-ufc-copyright-lawsuit-rejects-fair-use-defense-for-documentary-makers-220820/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[07:35]	TR Bot	UFC Copyright Lawsuit Rejects Fair Use Defense For Documentary Makers * TorrentFreak
[07:35]	TR News	EFF hypocrisy https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/08/tracking-ubiquitous-within-nonprofits-it-doesnt-have-be | Source: EFF
[07:35]	TR Bot	 Nonprofit Websites Are Full of Trackers. That Should Change. | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[07:41]	TR News	Is Crypto Really Going To Crash? (Yes) https://robertreich.org/post/693127450696335360 | Source: Robert Reich
[07:41]	TR Bot	 Robert Reich (Is Crypto Really Going To Crash? (Yes) Crypto is...)
[07:43]	TR News	"The Paspberry Pi Pico is what you might call the board of the moment, thanks to its combination of affordability, features, and continued availabilit" https://hackaday.com/2022/08/20/picostepseq-is-small-but-perfectly-formed/ | Source: Hackaday
[07:43]	TR Bot	Is Small But Perfectly Formed | Hackaday
[07:44]	TR News	500 Junk Capacitor https://hackaday.com/2022/08/20/building-a-spot-welder-from-500-junk-capacitors/ | Source: Hackaday
[07:44]	TR Bot	A Spot Welder From 500 Junk Capacitors | Hackaday
[07:44]	TR News	Illegal Surveillance of Assange's Visitors https://truthout.org/articles/mike-pompeo-and-cia-sued-for-illegal-surveillance-of-assanges-visitors/ | Source: TruthOut
[07:44]	TR Bot	 Mike Pompeo and CIA Sued for Illegal Surveillance of Assange's Visitors
[07:45]	TR News	Z80 https://hackaday.com/2022/08/20/z80-single-board-computer-looks-like-it-could-have-been-a-killer-product/ | Source: Hackaday
[07:45]	TR Bot	Single-Board Computer Looks Like It Could Have Been A Killer Product | Hackaday
[07:51]	TR News	Calls Mount for Release of Saudi Woman Facing 34 Years in Prison Over Tweets https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/08/20/calls-mount-release-saudi-woman-facing-34-years-prison-over-tweets | Source: Common Dreams
[07:51]	TR Bot	 Calls Mount for Release of Saudi Woman Facing 34 Years in Prison Over Tweets
[07:54]	TR News	 (New Entry): What Is a Login Shell in Linux? https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/What_Is_a_Login_Shell_in_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/What_Is_a_Login_Shell_in_Linux.gmi
[07:54]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines What Is a Login Shell in Linux?
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[08:13]	TR News	According to new ZDNet, SJVN is "BA English and history, cum laude; MA history, magna cum laude; and Ph.D. ABD history, summa cum laude."
[08:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[08:25]	TR News	Links 21/08/2022: Comments for Ghost (Static Site Generator) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/21/comments-for-ghost/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/21/comments-for-ghost/
[08:25]	TR Bot	 Links 21/08/2022: Comments for Ghost (Static Site Generator) | Techrights
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[08:49]	TR News	 (New Entry): : Google Android Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Android_Leftovers.gmi
[08:49]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
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[08:54]	schestowitz[TR]	nah..
[08:56]	TR News	IRC Proceedings: Saturday, August 20, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/21/irc-log-200822/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/21/irc-log-200822/
[08:56]	TR Bot	 IRC Proceedings: Saturday, August 20, 2022 | Techrights
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[09:10]	TR News	From Selftests to KUnit - Mara Canal https://mairacanal.github.io/from-selftests-to-KUnit/ Source: mairacanal | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//mairacanal.github.io/from-selftests-to-KUnit/
[09:10]	TR Bot	 From Selftests to KUnit - Mara Canal
[09:10]	TR News	Does the Linux Kernel need software engineering? - Mara Canal https://mairacanal.github.io/does-the-linux-kernel-need-software-engineering/ Source: mairacanal | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//mairacanal.github.io/does-the-linux-kernel-need-software-engineering/
[09:10]	TR Bot	 Does the Linux Kernel need software engineering? - Mara Canal
[09:15]	TR News	 (NEW): August ISO refresh &#x2d; Lets meet Colorizer https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/August_ISO_refresh_x2d_Let_s_meet_Colorizer.shtml
[09:15]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines August ISO refresh - Lets meet Colorizer
[09:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[09:20]	TR News	 (NEW): MariaDB buys geospacial specialist CubeWerx https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/MariaDB_buys_geospacial_specialist_CubeWerx.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/MariaDB_buys_geospacial_specialist_CubeWerx.gmi 
[09:20]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines MariaDB buys geospacial specialist CubeWerx
[09:30]	TR News	 (NEW): Mara Canal on Linux Kernel Development https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Maira_Canal_on_Linux_Kernel_Development.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Maira_Canal_on_Linux_Kernel_Development.gmi 
[09:30]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Mara Canal on Linux Kernel Development
[09:33]	TR News	 (NEW): Kaisen Linux Rolling 2.2RC1 changelog https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Kaisen_Linux_Rolling_2_2RC1_changelog.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Kaisen_Linux_Rolling_2_2RC1_changelog.gmi 
[09:33]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Kaisen Linux Rolling 2.2RC1 changelog
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[09:36]	TR News	DRM. Garbage. Use something ELSE. https://www.maketecheasier.com/fix-spotify-web-player-not-working/
[09:36]	TR Bot	 Spotify Web Player Not Working? Here Are the Fixes - Make Tech Easier
[09:39]	TR News	CNS shilling Windows junk again :/ https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/08/21/making-a-diy-10-1-inch-all-in-one-pc-out-of-amr5-ryzen-5-gaming-mini-pc/
[09:39]	TR Bot	 Making a DIY 10.1-inch All-in-One PC out of AMR5 Ryzen 5 gaming mini PC - CNX Software
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[09:40]	TR News	 (NEW): Crow Translate is an Amazing Open-source Translation App for Linux and Windows https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Crow_Translate_is_an_Amazing_Open_source_Translation_App_for_Li.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Crow_Translate_is_an_Amazing_Open_source_Translation_App_for_Li.gmi 
[09:40]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Crow Translate is an Amazing Open-source Translation App for Linux and Windows
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[10:11]	TR News	John Been selling a course in using GNU/Linux https://www.reallinuxuser.com/my-first-course-available-now-zorin-os-linux-for-the-rest-of-us/
[10:11]	TR Bot	 My first course, available now: Zorin OS Linux for the rest of us - Real Linux User
[10:11]	TR News	 (NEW): Let's Try Gnome Boxes https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Let_s_Try_Gnome_Boxes.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Let_s_Try_Gnome_Boxes.gmi 
[10:11]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Let's Try Gnome Boxes
[10:12]	TR News	"We cover events and user groups that are running in Kosovo. This article forms part of our Linux Around The World series." https://www.linuxlinks.com/linux-kosovo/
[10:12]	TR Bot	Around The World: Kosovo - LinuxLinks
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[10:14]	TR News	"I was also struck by how one-to-one computing became less about this grassroots movement of these two teachers, and more about what the EdTech companies were promising." https://criticaledtech.com/2022/08/17/techno-scepticism-in-the-classroom-an-interview-with-marie-heath/
[10:14]	TR Bot	 Techno-scepticism in the classroom (an interview withMarie Heath) Critical Studies of EDUCATION & TECHNOLOGY
[10:15]	TR News	"My fellow Americansif I may call you that? I've only been a US citizen for five weeks" https://pluralistic.net/2022/08/16/do-stuff-talk-about-it/#under-a-bushel
[10:15]	TR Bot	 Pluralistic: 16 Aug 2022 Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
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[10:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[10:24]	TR News	Calling everything "HEY HI" https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/ai-understand-human-goals
[10:24]	TR Bot	 Computer scientists just developed a system for helping AI understand human goals
[10:24]	TR News	Artificial neuron swaps dopamine with rat brain cells like a real one | New Scientist https://www.newscientist.com/article/2332554-artificial-neuron-swaps-dopamine-with-rat-brain-cells-like-a-real-one/ Source: newscientist
[10:24]	TR Bot	 Artificial neuron swaps dopamine with rat brain cells like a real one | New Scientist
[10:25]	TR News	Rebranding militarism/murder as "HEY HI" https://spectrum.ieee.org/marc-raibert-boston-dynamics-instutute
[10:25]	TR Bot	 Q&A: Marc Raibert on the Boston Dynamics AI Institute - IEEE Spectrum
[10:26]	TR News	"I love the robots. Sometimes you find one that's got stuck so you help it and it says 'thank you'." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62007675
[10:26]	TR Bot	 Are we falling in love with robots? - BBC News
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[11:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[11:49]	TR News	Quantum annealing can beat classical computing in limited cases https://discover.lanl.gov/news/0816-quantum-annealing Source: discover | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//discover.lanl.gov/news/0816-quantum-annealing
[11:49]	TR Bot	 
[11:50]	TR News	Stanford and NVIDIA researchers shrink VR headsets to regular glasses https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/stanford-and-nvidia-researchers-shrink-vr-headsets-to-regular-glasses
[11:50]	TR Bot	 Stanford and NVIDIA researchers shrink VR headsets to regular glasses
[11:50]	TR News	Xiaomi Builds a Humanoid Robot for Some Reason https://spectrum.ieee.org/humanoid-robot-xiaomi-cyberone
[11:50]	TR Bot	 Xiaomi Builds a Humanoid Robot for Some Reason - IEEE Spectrum
[11:51]	TR News	New network visualization tool maps information spread https://cnets.indiana.edu/blog/2022/07/27/new-network-visualization-tool-maps-information-spread/
[11:51]	TR Bot	 New network visualization tool maps information spread | CNetS
[11:51]	TR News	CCNY-based team scripts breakthrough quantum algorithm https://www.ccny.cuny.edu/news/ccny-based-team-scripts-breakthrough-quantum-algorithm
[11:51]	TR Bot	 CCNY-based team scripts breakthrough quantum algorithm | The City College of New York
[11:53]	TR News	China Breaks Record for Quantum Memory Entanglement Distance https://www.tomshardware.com/news/record-on-quantum-entanglement-at-a-distance-broken-pulling-in-the-timeline-for-a-quantum-internet "Two quantum memories were entangled while 12.5 km apart."
[11:53]	TR Bot	 China Breaks Record for Quantum Memory Entanglement Distance | Tom's Hardware
[11:55]	TR News	"The device senses and wirelessly transmits signals related to pulse, sweat, and ultraviolet exposure, without bulky chips or batteries." https://news.mit.edu/2022/sensor-electronic-chipless-0818
[11:55]	TR Bot	 Engineers fabricate a chip-free, wireless electronic skin | MIT News | Massachusetts Institute of Technology
[11:57]	TR News	"A new device, which doesnt rely on immunosuppressing drugs, may assist efforts to develop an artificial pancreas to treat diabetes." https://news.mit.edu/2022/design-prevents-buildup-scar-tissue-around-medical-implants-0805
[11:57]	TR Bot	 Design prevents buildup of scar tissue around medical implants | MIT News | Massachusetts Institute of Technology
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[11:58]	TR News	"The longer version of this is in How we handle Ubuntu LTS versions." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/sysadmin/OurSlowServerTurnover
[11:58]	TR Bot	 Chris's Wiki :: blog/sysadmin/OurSlowServerTurnover
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[12:00]	TR News	Disk drive SMART attributes can go backward and otherwise be volatile https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/tech/SMARTAttributesVolatile
[12:00]	TR Bot	 Chris's Wiki :: blog/tech/SMARTAttributesVolatile
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[12:05]	maxmoon	anyone here?
[12:07]	techuser	yes
[12:07]	techuser	don't ask to ask, just ask
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[12:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[12:22]	maxmoon	I was watching the video on https://techrights.org/2022/01/08/gemini-and-gopher-compared/ and in the end there is a complain about Facebook & Co. but no explanation why it is bad? Like why is it bad that people (Zuckers) upload selfies of themselves to Facebook?
[12:22]	TR Bot	 Gopher and Gemini Can Co-exist, Theyre Not the Same | Techrights
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[12:28]	TR News	Bootstrapping An {ojs} Quarto Document With An Observable Notebook | R-bloggers https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/08/bootstrapping-an-ojs-quarto-document-with-an-observable-notebook/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.r-bloggers.com/2022/08/bootstrapping-an-ojs-quarto-document-with-an-observable-notebook/
[12:28]	TR Bot	An {ojs} Quarto Document With An Observable Notebook | R-bloggers
[12:29]	TR News	"Data science is described as a dying field that will soon be supplanted by positions like data engineering and ML operations in some articles, while it is described as being replaced by tools like AutoML in others." https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/08/is-data-science-a-dying-profession/
[12:29]	TR Bot	Data Science a Dying Profession? | R-bloggers
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[12:30]	TR News	The Image Model | Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programmers https://www.sicpers.info/2022/08/the-image-model/ Source: SICP | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.sicpers.info/2022/08/the-image-model/
[12:30]	TR Bot	 The Image Model | Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programmers
[12:31]	TR News	More disposable garbage: Matter is almost here, so should you upgrade devices now or later? - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis https://staceyoniot.com/matter-is-almost-here-so-should-you-upgrade-devices-now-or-later/ Source: Stacey on IoT
[12:31]	TR Bot	 Matter is almost here, so should you upgrade devices now or later? - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis
[12:34]	TR News	"service that literally ships shit with a public promise of multiple kinds of animal shit whilst data that proves only horse shit was ever shipped, a promise of 100% anonymity whilst the data set clearly shows both shit-senders and shit-receivers" https://www.troyhunt.com/weekly-update-309/
[12:34]	TR Bot	 Troy Hunt: Weekly Update 309
[12:35]	TR News	"That we travel more slowly, which is to say more humanely, and which will enable us to cut down on the greenhouse gas per unit of distance." https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/202x/2022/08/16/Slow-travel Source: Tim Bray | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/202x/2022/08/16/Slow-travel
[12:35]	TR Bot	 ongoing by Tim Bray Slow Travel
[12:36]	TR News	"When we use it, it depletes a bit. When were distracted it quickly drains. And when were alone with our thoughts it replenishes." https://danielmiessler.com/blog/creativity-comes-from-idleness/ Source: Daniel Miessler | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//danielmiessler.com/blog/creativity-comes-from-idleness/
[12:36]	TR Bot	 Creativity Comes from Idleness - Daniel Miessler
[12:37]	TR News	The names of disk drive SMART attributes are kind of made up (sadly) https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/tech/SMARTAttributeNamesMadeUp Source: uni Toronto | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/tech/SMARTAttributeNamesMadeUp
[12:37]	TR Bot	 Chris's Wiki :: blog/tech/SMARTAttributeNamesMadeUp
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[12:39]	TR News	"What if everyone individuals, companies, etc., surfaced their outbound links in an open, accessible way which could then be aggregated in one source for querying?" https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/well-known-links-resource/ Source: Jim Nielsen | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/well-known-links-resource/
[12:39]	TR Bot	 A Well-Known Links Resource - Jim Nielsens Blog
[12:40]	TR News	The Australian Commodore 64 - LinuxJedis /dev/null https://linuxjedi.co.uk/2022/08/19/the-australian-commodore-64/ Source: Andrew Hutchings | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//linuxjedi.co.uk/2022/08/19/the-australian-commodore-64/
[12:40]	TR Bot	 The Australian Commodore 64 LinuxJedi's /dev/null
[12:41]	TR News	"Last week, however, we received a Flutter application where the script wouldnt work anymore." https://blog.nviso.eu/2022/08/18/intercept-flutter-traffic-on-ios-and-android-http-https-dio-pinning/ Source: NVISO Labs | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.nviso.eu/2022/08/18/intercept-flutter-traffic-on-ios-and-android-http-https-dio-pinning/
[12:41]	TR Bot	 Intercept Flutter traffic on iOS and Android (HTTP/HTTPS/Dio Pinning) NVISO Labs
[12:42]	TR News	"JavaScripts double equals operator, ==, is typically discouraged." https://evanhahn.com/re-implementing-javascript-double-equals-in-javascript/ Source: Evan Hahn | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//evanhahn.com/re-implementing-javascript-double-equals-in-javascript/
[12:42]	TR Bot	 Re-implementing JavaScript's == in JavaScript
[12:43]	TR News	Use Node built-ins to test small projects https://evanhahn.com/use-node-builtins-to-test-small-projects/ Source: Evan Hahn | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//evanhahn.com/use-node-builtins-to-test-small-projects/
[12:43]	TR Bot	 Use Node built-ins to test small projects
[12:44]	TR News	"Go is under more or less continuous development (although the pace and nature of changes is different near releases)." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/programming/GoDevelopmentTipResources Source: uni Toronto | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/programming/GoDevelopmentTipResources
[12:44]	TR Bot	 Chris's Wiki :: blog/programming/GoDevelopmentTipResources
[12:51]	TR News	r300: merge ALU instructions writing different channels of the same destination using the constant swizzles (!17560) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/17560
[12:51]	TR Bot	 r300: merge ALU instructions writing different channels of the same destination using the constant swizzles (!17560) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab
[12:55]	TR News	 (NEW): Cloud Hypervisor v26.0 Released! https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Cloud_Hypervisor_v26_0_Released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Cloud_Hypervisor_v26_0_Released.gmi 
[12:55]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Cloud Hypervisor v26.0 Released!
[12:56]	TR News	Somehow my email in emacs/wl shows right justified. Seems like some emails are detected as RTL language for some reason. Now how do I configure this..." https://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/diary/daily/2022-Aug-21.html.en Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/diary/daily/2022-Aug-21.html.en
[12:56]	TR Bot	 Somehow my email in emacs/wl shows right justified.
[12:58]	MinceR	21 033308 < DaemonFC> I don't know why Russians get special treatment as "Orcs".
[12:58]	MinceR	let's see
[12:58]	MinceR	they engage in nuclear terrorism
[12:59]	MinceR	they send untrained, unclothed, unequipped rabble to fight without telling them whom they're fighting
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[12:59]	MinceR	they use chechens to fight for them, who are even more barbaric
[12:59]	MinceR	they execute genocides
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[13:00]	MinceR	they beat down the hungarian revolution of 1848
[13:00]	MinceR	they occupied the eastern bloc and turned it into a bunch of stalinist dictatorships and crippled the minds of most people there
[13:00]	MinceR	then their empire fell apart because of marxist economy
[13:01]	MinceR	after recovering, the first thing they wanted to do was to reoccupy the same empire
[13:01]	MinceR	they're barbaric, evil, destructive, genocidal, terrorist scum that make the rest of humanity look good in comparison
[13:04]	schestowitz[TR]	why "orc"?
[13:05]	schestowitz[TR]	>> bunch of stalinist dictatorships and crippled the minds of most people there
[13:05]	schestowitz[TR]	they did the same domestically
[13:05]	schestowitz[TR]	but I think that's more to do with
[13:05]	schestowitz[TR]	them driving away people with a clue
[13:05]	schestowitz[TR]	and then, among those who remain, there's no infra to develop
[13:06]	schestowitz[TR]	so they dry up the productive element
[13:06]	schestowitz[TR]	and then make whatever stays even less productive
[13:06]	schestowitz[TR]	the "Death spiral"
[13:06]	MinceR	https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-are-ukrainians-calling-russian-invaders-orcs-
[13:06]	TR Bot	 Why are Ukrainians calling Russian invaders 'orcs'? | The Spectator
[13:07]	MinceR	yes, driving away people who have a clue is one of the effects of marxist economics
[13:07]	MinceR	also of dictatorships in general
[13:07]	maxmoon	okay, this might be a too weird place to have a serious conversation. Bye...
[13:08]	schestowitz[TR]	it's off topic
[13:08]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/today_s_howtos.gmi 
[13:08]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[13:10]	TR News	A guide to swiftly managing your Kubernetes resources using K9s - Earthly Blog https://earthly.dev/blog/managing-k8s-with-k9s/ Source: Earthly | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//earthly.dev/blog/managing-k8s-with-k9s/
[13:10]	TR Bot	 A guide to swiftly managing your Kubernetes resources using K9s - Earthly Blog
[13:12]	TR News	Re: The web is a harsh manager - Jim Nielsens Blog https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/re-web-harsh-manager/ Source: Jim Nielsen | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/re-web-harsh-manager/
[13:12]	TR Bot	 Re: The web is a harsh manager - Jim Nielsens Blog
[13:13]	MinceR	https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/08/12/we-had-no-moral-right-to-attack-another-country
[13:13]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[13:14]	psydroid2	you haven't even brought up a topic to have a serious conversation about nor engaged in any
[13:14]	psydroid2	so bye from all of us to you, I suppose
[13:15]	techuser	bye = kick/ban?
[13:15]	MinceR	"bye" = "i'm looking for the quit command in my irc client"
[13:16]	psydroid2	"bye" = "my feeble mind can't handle anything out of my comfort zone, so I must excuse myself and go and cry in the corner"
[13:17]	schestowitz[TR]	red hat did this to me
[13:17]	schestowitz[TR]	but worse
[13:17]	schestowitz[TR]	it tried to do collective quit
[13:17]	schestowitz[TR]	if I say something they don't like
[13:17]	schestowitz[TR]	or one person does not like
[13:17]	schestowitz[TR]	they will incite the whole lot gainst ,me
[13:18]	TR News	 (NEW): I love my GPD Micro PC https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/I_love_my_GPD_Micro_PC.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/I_love_my_GPD_Micro_PC.gmi 
[13:18]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines I love my GPD Micro PC
[13:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[13:30]	TR News	C parser gemini://tozip.chickenkiller.com/2022-08-21-c-parser.gmi "Antimony describes itself as "a bullshit-free () programming language that gets out of your way"."
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[13:31]	TR News	Migrating Neovim config to Lua gemini://blog.schmidhuberj.de/2022/08/21/migrating-neovim-config-to-lua/ "While I was at it, I also split up my config into many smaller files"
[13:33]	TR News	"I can relate 100% with them. I'm like a squirrel chasing new nuts every 5 seconds, almost as if the nuts I catch rot by the touch. It's completely irrational to take on so many things simultaneously, and yet, here we are." gemini://siiky.srht.site/kB45oC/re-brain_fart.gmi
[13:34]	TR News	"I just modified my gmi->md script to rewrite gemini:// links to the Gemini Portal. With only 8 new (readable) lines the HTTPS/HTML version of the capsule became that much user friendlier" gemini://siiky.srht.site/meta/portal.gmi
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[13:48]	TR News	Very disappointing that Debian lacks bearssl in the repo and gmni too. Alpine is better than Debian in this regard. I cannot even compile it.
[13:49]	schestowitz[TR]	gmni -j always gemini://news.tuxmachines.org/ | head -n 1
[13:52]	TR News	Tradeoffs in API Design https://matt-rickard.com/tradeoffs-in-api-design Source: Matt Rickard | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//matt-rickard.com/tradeoffs-in-api-design
[13:52]	TR Bot	 Tradeoffs in API Design
[13:53]	TR News	"Earlier this week I watched Alex Chan's Sans I/O programming talk. In the talk, Alex argues the importance of separating I/O and program logic, with reference to a situation where his team was unable to use already-available parsing libraries for BagIt data because said libraries depended on local access to a file." https://jamesg.blog/2022/08/05/io-and-logic/
[13:53]	TR Bot	connect to jamesg.blog:443; Connection refused ( status 0 @ https://jamesg.blog/2022/08/05/io-and-logic/ )
[13:54]	TR News	"The most common approach to finding ways to improve a static analysis tool is to find bugs in code that the tool should have been able to find" https://blog.trailofbits.com/2022/08/17/using-mutants-to-improve-slither/ Source: Trail Of Bits | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.trailofbits.com/2022/08/17/using-mutants-to-improve-slither/
[13:54]	TR Bot	 Using mutants to improve Slither | Trail of Bits Blog
[13:55]	TR News	"Not obvious development process is hard to document. I wanted to make changes to the nix program, but I didn't know how to try them." https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2022-08-19-hacking-on-nix.html Source: Data Swamp | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//dataswamp.org/~solene/2022-08-19-hacking-on-nix.html
[13:55]	TR Bot	 Solene'% : How to hack on Nix and try your changes
[13:57]	TR News	"Collapse occurs, and can only occur, in a power vacuum, anthropologist Joseph Tainter writes in The Collapse of Complex Societies." https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/we-are-not-the-first-civilization
[13:57]	TR Bot	 We Are Not the First Civilization to Collapse, But We Will Probably Be the Last
[13:58]	TR News	"The number of people affected by hunger globally rose to as many as 828 million in 2021, an increase of about 46 million since 2020 and 150 million since the outbreak of the COVID-19 pandemic (1), according to a United Nations report" https://www.who.int/news/item/06-07-2022-un-report--global-hunger-numbers-rose-to-as-many-as-828-million-in-2021
[13:58]	TR Bot	 UN Report: Global hunger numbers rose to as many as 828 million in 2021
[13:59]	TR News	"He talks about how Tim Berners-Lee had a Next computer, but the Next computer was a machine that cost thousands of dollars and not everyone had thousands of dollars to spend on a computer (then or now, really)." https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/web-diversity/ Source: Jim Nielsen | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/web-diversity/
[13:59]	TR Bot	 The Webs Diversity - Jim Nielsens Blog
● Aug 21
[14:07]	MinceR	(nsfw) https://www.oglaf.com/introduced-species/
[14:07]	TR Bot	 Introduced Species
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[14:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[14:28]	psydroid2	bye from earth to max on the moon
[14:29]	MinceR	took them over an hour to quit
[14:29]	MinceR	not the brightest bulb in the bucket
[14:29]	psydroid2	quitting is hard
[14:29]	TR News	"My lifelong activism aimed at achieving social justice." https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/08/a-new-approach-to-fairness-in-machine-learning/
[14:30]	TR Bot	New Approach to Fairness in Machine Learning | R-bloggers
[14:31]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe it's activelow?
[14:31]	schestowitz[TR]	putin's fan?
[14:32]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.google.com/search?q=maxmoon+site%3Atechrights.org&ei=0wcCY-XOFOGGhbIP9NW5sAE&ved=0ahUKEwilhKLf29f5AhVhQ0EAHfRqDhYQ4dUDCA4&uact=5&oq=maxmoon+site%3Atechrights.org&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAM6BwghEKABEAo6CwguEIAEEMcBEK8BOgUIABCABDoGCAAQHhAWOgUIIRCgAToICCEQHhAWEB1KBAhBGABKBAhGGABQAFjaLWC0L2gAcAF4AIABjwGIAboPkgEEMTUuN5gBAKABAqABAcABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz
[14:32]	TR Bot	site:techrights.org - Google Search
[14:32]	schestowitz[TR]	no history in irc
[14:33]	schestowitz[TR]	"Max Moon Retweeted Dr. Roy Schestowitz"
[14:33]	schestowitz[TR]	2017
[14:33]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/irc-log-techbytes-10092017.html#tSep%2014%2014:47:16
[14:33]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: September 10th, 2017 September 16th, 2017
[14:36]	TR News	"R Consortium recently talked to Allan Miller with the East Bay R Language Enthusiasts Group about the groups history and success in environmental and health industries." https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/08/from-novice-to-industry-professionals-the-east-bay-r-enthusiasts-welcomes-everyone/
[14:36]	TR Bot	Novice to Industry Professionals, the East Bay R Enthusiasts Welcomes Everyone | R-bloggers
[14:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 14.45 k/sec., IPFS upstream 145.58 average k/sec., average swarm size 109.36
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[15:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[15:47]	TR News	Manjaro and EndeavourOS are like Ding Dongs and Zingers - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=p5FU5m_THGU | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/p5FU5m_THGU
[15:47]	TR Bot	 Manjaro and EndeavourOS are like Ding Dongs and Zingers - Invidious
[15:48]	TR News	210: GNOME, KDE, LibreOffice, Android 13, DEF CON, Krita, Spider-Man and more Linux news! https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/this-week-in-linux/twil-210/
[15:48]	TR Bot	GNOME, KDE, LibreOffice, Android 13, DEF CON, Krita, Spider-Man and more Linux news! - This Week in Linux - TuxDigital
[15:53]	TR News	 (NEW): Videos/Shows: This Week in Linux, DistroTube, and GNU World Order https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Videos_Shows_This_Week_in_Linux_DistroTube_and_GNU_World_Order.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Videos_Shows_This_Week_in_Linux_DistroTube_and_GNU_World_Order.gmi 
[15:53]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Videos/Shows: This Week in Linux, DistroTube, and GNU World Order
[15:54]	TR News	I have complicated feelings about TDD Buttondown https://buttondown.email/hillelwayne/archive/i-have-complicated-feelings-about-tdd-8403/ Source: Buttondown | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//buttondown.email/hillelwayne/archive/i-have-complicated-feelings-about-tdd-8403/
[15:54]	TR Bot	 I have complicated feelings about TDD Buttondown
[15:57]	TR News	"Ive shown my husband and my child how I can see everything that they ask Alexa in the app, something few people might realize that Alexa shares with the app owner." https://staceyoniot.com/can-the-ftc-restore-our-faith-in-technology/
[15:57]	TR Bot	 Can the FTC restore our faith in technology? - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis
[15:58]	TR News	"Australia prides itself on freedom of expression, yet we have the most draconian laws in the Western world. How can we uphold a free press when defamation law is having a chilling effect on our media and threatens to undermine the very foundations of investigative journalism?" https://michaelwest.com.au/so-sue-me-canberra-writers-festival/
[15:58]	TR Bot	 So, Sue Me! @Canberra Writers Festival - Michael West
[15:58]	TR News	1966 Children about future - neritam https://neritam.wordpress.com/2022/08/17/1966-children-about-future/ Source: Neritam
[15:58]	TR Bot	 1966 Children about future neritam
● Aug 21
[16:09]	TR News	 (NEW): BTW, You Should Use Arch. And why you should consider using Linux https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/BTW_You_Should_Use_Arch_And_why_you_should_consider_using_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/BTW_You_Should_Use_Arch_And_why_you_should_consider_using_Linux.gmi 
[16:09]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines BTW, You Should Use Arch. And why you should consider using Linux
[16:10]	schestowitz[TR]	starstreak/britney (offline) ^
[16:14]	TR News	 (NEW): risiOS Review: A Friendly Fedora Spin with Distinctive Features https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/risiOS_Review_A_Friendly_Fedora_Spin_with_Distinctive_Features.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/risiOS_Review_A_Friendly_Fedora_Spin_with_Distinctive_Features.gmi 
[16:14]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines risiOS Review: A Friendly Fedora Spin with Distinctive Features
[16:14]	XRevan86	schestowitz: activelow is not a whiney type.
[16:14]	schestowitz[TR]	he is
[16:14]	schestowitz[TR]	he said "ENOUGH!"
[16:14]	schestowitz[TR]	and then left
[16:14]	XRevan86	Besides, heurek is still here.
[16:14]	schestowitz[TR]	because we insulted the nazis
[16:15]	XRevan86	schestowitz: That at least has a flair for the dramatic :)
[16:17]	TR News	"Large tech and finance companies have been doing this lately: 1. Announcing workers must return to the office full time, or face dismissal. 2. Reporting a loss, or lower than expected profits, and will need to cut staff. If only they had a convenient excuse. 3. (Bonus): Complaining about staff retention." https://rubenerd.com/wfh-being-used-to-dismiss-staff/
[16:17]	TR Bot	WFH being used to dismiss staff
[16:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[16:20]	TR News	How the HECK can theguardian publish this while BAGGING BRIBES FROM BILL GATES to tell us to worship that Famous Criminal??? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/24/britain-rich-poor-strike-breaking-government-grenfell-tower
[16:20]	TR Bot	 Worship the rich, neglect the poor? Adam Smiths words still capture how power works | Kenan Malik | The Guardian
[16:21]	TR News	"I made the decision to visit DEFCON this year with some friends, which turned out to be an absolute blast. Here are some pictures of cool stuff that we took during our time there." https://blog.bithole.dev/blogposts/dc30/ Source: Adriaan Zhang | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.bithole.dev/blogposts/dc30/
[16:21]	TR Bot	 DEFCON Photo Dump
[16:22]	TR News	Rubenerd: Former Australian Prime Minister Morrisons secret portfolios https://rubenerd.com/former-australian-prime-minister-morrisons-secret-portfolios/ Source: Ruben Schade | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//rubenerd.com/former-australian-prime-minister-morrisons-secret-portfolios/
[16:22]	TR Bot	Former Australian Prime Minister Morrisons secret portfolios
[16:23]	TR News	GUINQSH Wordo: YAWPS gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-08-21.gmi
[16:26]	TR News	"I am excited that these commands exist. All this time, I have been holding down arrow keys to navigate on the command line. I wonder what other shortcuts the terminal has that I can use!" https://jamesg.blog/2022/08/17/terminal-shortcuts/
[16:26]	TR Bot	 TIL: Terminal shortcuts | James' Coffee Blog
[16:28]	TR News	"If you open a plain HTML document with no CSS and you focus an interactive element like a button, link, or textarea, youll see that by default browsers use the outline property to highlight these elements." https://www.matuzo.at/blog/2022/focus-outline/ Source: Manuel Matuzovic | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.matuzo.at/blog/2022/focus-outline/
[16:28]	TR Bot	 outline is your friend - Manuel Matuzovi
[16:49]	XRevan86	https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/08/21/a78619
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[16:50]	XRevan86	"Car Bomb Kills Daughter of Kremlin Hardline Ideologue"
[16:51]	MinceR	better try again and kill the father too
[16:51]	XRevan86	MinceR: That was clearly the target.
[16:51]	XRevan86	https://eurointegration.com.ua/eng/news/2022/08/21/7145314/ "Deutsche Welle Responded to Accusations of Ukrainian MFA and Asked Not to Compare Them with RT Anymore"
[16:51]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[16:53]	XRevan86	https://nitter.it/MelaniePodolyak/status/1561358623464427522 hah
[16:53]	TR Bot	Podolyak (@MelaniePodolyak): "I get a lot of dissatisfied comments and bad feedback as I often criticize the collective West for knowing too little about Russia and Ukraine. Im sorry, but how can anyone doubt my criticism, when the largest Western media calls this insane fascist an influential writer?"|nitter.it
[16:53]	XRevan86	MinceR: But who would want to kill an influential writer? :)
[16:54]	TR News	Bluestar 5.19.2 is out https://sourceforge.net/projects/bluestarlinux/
[16:54]	TR Bot	download | SourceForge.net
[16:58]	TR News	 (NEW): Ubuntu May Drop To Do App from Default Install https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Ubuntu_May_Drop_To_Do_App_from_Default_Install.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Ubuntu_May_Drop_To_Do_App_from_Default_Install.gmi 
[16:58]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Ubuntu May Drop To Do App from Default Install
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[17:01]	MinceR	XRevan86: hopefully many people would
[17:03]	MinceR	https://www.oglaf.com/collider/
[17:03]	TR Bot	 Collider
[17:04]	XRevan86	https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/08/21/7364186/ Surprising no one.
[17:04]	TR Bot	 ''Kyiv will shudder'': Russian propagandists demand strikes on decision-making centres | Ukrainska Pravda
[17:06]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: if this was america, those strikes would have finished off all the decision making centers on day 10
[17:06]	XRevan86	https://nitter.it/tsargradtv/status/1561288015770787841 "After the murder of Daria Platonova, our duty is to destroy the weapon of evil. Destroy Ukraine as a terrorist state. We cannot exist on the same land with Ukraine. It is impossible to co-exist with infernal evil."
[17:06]	TR Bot	(@tsargradtv): " . . . 
[17:06]	CrystalMath	and every single bridge would have been destroyed, like they did here
[17:07]	CrystalMath	if you can compare different acts of interventionism, then you still come to the conclusion that russia is too merciful
[17:07]	XRevan86	No one knows who did the deed yet but TsargradTV and others are ready to destroy Ukraine already.
[17:08]	MinceR	presumably they were ready for years
[17:08]	XRevan86	"and every single bridge would have been destroyed, like they did here" <- Erm, Russia and Ukraine destroy bridges systemically.
[17:08]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: america is way faster at bridge destruction
[17:08]	CrystalMath	on average
[17:08]	CrystalMath	they also destroy civilian bridges in areas unrelated to their invasion
[17:08]	MinceR	"merciful" according to CrystalMath: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre
[17:08]	TR Bot	 Bucha massacre - Wikipedia
[17:09]	CrystalMath	which russia has not done, all the bridges in Lvov still stand
[17:09]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Erm, there were no battles in Lviv.
[17:10]	TR News	 (NEW): Programming Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/Programming_Leftovers.gmi 
[17:10]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Programming Leftovers"
[17:10]	XRevan86	The war never reached that far west sans several missile strikes.
[17:10]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: america would have shot civilian targets with cruise missiles, like they did here
[17:10]	CrystalMath	like police stations in towns far away from the conflict
[17:10]	MinceR	BridgeLivesMatter
[17:11]	CrystalMath	2,000 civilians were injured and 500 died in yugoslavia, all people who had nothing to do with the conflict
[17:11]	CrystalMath	and who lived very far from it
[17:11]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Funny ye say that, I've learnt a lot about Russian cruise missiles lately.
[17:11]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/today_s_leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/today_s_leftovers.1.gmi 
[17:11]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's leftovers
[17:11]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: i've seen the wreckage of one myself
[17:11]	CrystalMath	not a russian one, but an american one
[17:11]	CrystalMath	in a police station building, very very far from kosovo
[17:11]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Tenths of thousands of civilians have been murdered in these half a year.
[17:12]	MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariupol_hospital_airstrike
[17:12]	TR Bot	 Mariupol hospital airstrike - Wikipedia
[17:12]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: well idk, ukraine has maybe stepped things up, but they were murdering civilians since 2014
[17:12]	MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariupol_theatre_airstrike
[17:12]	TR Bot	 Mariupol theatre airstrike - Wikipedia
[17:12]	CrystalMath	starting with the odessa massacre
[17:13]	CrystalMath	MinceR: strange how the strikes on the oil rafinery, the maternity hospital, and other places in yugoslavia do not get their own wikipedia page
[17:13]	XRevan86	Sure, let's bring up the event of two armed groups going insane like that's even barely comparable to anything that Russia has done.
[17:13]	MinceR	maybe your comrades can't afford to fund the web brigades anymore
[17:14]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: you know what's interesting? even if all the western lies about russia were true, it would still never compare to what america has done
[17:14]	TR News	Links 21/08/2022: Kaisen 2.2 RC1 and Cloud Hypervisor 26.0 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/21/kaisen-2-2-rc1/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/21/kaisen-2-2-rc1/
[17:14]	TR Bot	 Links 21/08/2022: Kaisen 2.2 RC1 and Cloud Hypervisor 26.0 | Techrights
[17:14]	CrystalMath	like, the *alleged* russian war crimes vs *proven* american war crimes, it's no comparison, it's like a speck of dust compared to the sun
[17:15]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Alleged, eh?
[17:15]	CrystalMath	remember Assange? he published the details of americans slaughtering civilians in iraq and afghanistan
[17:15]	CrystalMath	remember Abu Graib torture prison?
[17:15]	schestowitz[TR]	but... women... something
[17:16]	CrystalMath	how do i even count america's war crimes? they would fill up the channel before we get to half
[17:16]	CrystalMath	starting from hiroshima and nagasaki
[17:16]	XRevan86	MinceR: Does this count as whataboutism? I can't tell.
[17:16]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: so you believe that one side should just sit quietly while another commits horrifying acts of violence?
[17:16]	CrystalMath	that would only lead to world domination of the most evil force
[17:16]	MinceR	\_()_/
[17:17]	CrystalMath	which is exactly what you and MinceR wanta
[17:17]	CrystalMath	*want
[17:17]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: I can't help but live in the present though.
[17:17]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: so we should just forget the horrifying acts of violence that lead to the most evil force taking over a huge part of the world?
[17:17]	schestowitz[TR]	when it comes to war crimes, USA is the undisputed champion, but it controls most of the media, esp. in English
[17:17]	MinceR	IME it's whataboutism if reasonable do it, never if fascists do it
[17:17]	CrystalMath	what about the people still enslaved by them?
[17:17]	MinceR	everything is allowed to fascists
[17:17]	schestowitz[TR]	whwn russia bombs a hospital it's barbarism
[17:17]	CrystalMath	thankfully, MASHALLAH, afghanistan is now free of them
[17:18]	schestowitz[TR]	when the US does it it is an accident
[17:18]	CrystalMath	but iraq still isn't
[17:18]	MinceR	s/ble/ble people/
[17:18]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: the US is *still* sitting in iraq, a seat they won through horrifying acts of violence
[17:18]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Why is "freedom" so miserable to the Afghani?
[17:19]	MinceR	i missed the part where unrelated usian acts somehow justify orcish war crimes in ukraine
[17:19]	MinceR	but that must be because i wasn't paying enough attention
[17:19]	XRevan86	Is it necessary for freedom to have an iron boot that sits on the neck of every civilian?
[17:19]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: that's what people said after black slaves were freed in america (not that i condone the northern aggression, but slaves should have been freed, and they would have been even if it had not happened)
[17:19]	MinceR	XRevan86: to CrystalMath, only the "freedom" of dictators matters
[17:19]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: afghanistan is of course miserable because america made them dependent on them during their rule
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[17:20]	MinceR	religious fundamentalists in afghanistan, dictators in russia, red china and north korea, those people deserve to have "freedom"
[17:20]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Definitely not because they're not allowed to listen to music, among other things.
[17:20]	CrystalMath	would you laugh at a homeless woman who ran away from her abusive husband?
[17:20]	CrystalMath	didn't i post some taliban-made music here?
[17:20]	MinceR	the freedom of the billions of slaves they torture every day do not count, they exist merely for the amusement of the people who matter.
[17:21]	CrystalMath	anyway, so you would basically say "look at that woman, ha, she is so miserable now, bet she regrets leaving her abusive husband"
[17:22]	MinceR	of course all this follows naturally from the "conservatives"' idea of "freedom"
[17:22]	XRevan86	It's more like the husband left home and the woman was immediately kidnapped.
[17:22]	XRevan86	She's more happy this way.
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[17:23]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: america made afghanistan dependent on them, with 80% of the money coming solely from aid
[17:23]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: and then they robbed them, too
[17:23]	CrystalMath	stole 7 billion
[17:24]	schestowitz[TR]	while giving 22 more to Microsoft
[17:24]	schestowitz[TR]	"We stole your whole countries' savings here"
[17:24]	schestowitz[TR]	"and we bail out criminals" (Microsoft)
[17:24]	schestowitz[TR]	to the tune of more than 3 times that much
[17:24]	schestowitz[TR]	under the guise of "mdefense"
[17:25]	schestowitz[TR]	choosing between USA and Russia is like choosing to be raped by azog or that other ugly creature from LOTR
[17:26]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: So what brought Afghanistan down wasn't that they couldn't defend themselves against Taliban?
[17:26]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: they *are* the taliban
[17:26]	schestowitz[TR]	Bolg
[17:26]	schestowitz[TR]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=dncbRcjKXyc
[17:26]	TR Bot	 BOLG* The Son of Azog - The Hobbit - Invidious
[17:26]	XRevan86	And *I* was Putin all along .
[17:27]	CrystalMath	the problem with your viewpoint, and MinceR's, is that you absolutely believe without allowing any doubt, that liberalism is the only right way to live
[17:27]	MinceR	lol
[17:27]	CrystalMath	because if you even consider the possibility that liberalism is harmful, you realize that countries should not be forced to be dependent on others
[17:27]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: I believe in that the government should be accountable to the people.
[17:27]	CrystalMath	but do you ever doubt that, even once?
[17:27]	XRevan86	If that's called liberalism, then yes, I do believe that.
[17:27]	CrystalMath	i doubt what i think sometimes
[17:27]	MinceR	CrystalMath: i'm interested in the freedom of people, not in the freedom of countries.
[17:28]	CrystalMath	MinceR: but do you ever doubt that it's good?
[17:28]	CrystalMath	i think not
[17:28]	XRevan86	"because if you even consider the possibility that liberalism is harmful, you realise that countries should not be forced to be dependent on its citizens"
[17:28]	CrystalMath	while i do
[17:28]	MinceR	good on you
[17:28]	CrystalMath	i want there to exist places which do things differently
[17:28]	CrystalMath	if nothing else, to have a "control group"
[17:28]	MinceR	"i believe in statist authoritarian nonsense but it's ok because i claim to doubt it sometimes"
[17:29]	CrystalMath	MinceR: no, but i would gladly allow a small piece of land to have such a system to test it, because i don't *know* that what i think is good is better than that
[17:29]	CrystalMath	because we don't know what is good
[17:29]	MinceR	ooh, how generous
[17:29]	XRevan86	I live in a place where it is thought that a person has a duty to the government, but there's no opposite thought.
[17:29]	MinceR	a small piece of land!
[17:29]	CrystalMath	MinceR: yes, for example afghanistan
[17:29]	MinceR	who gives a shit about the suffering of people when the land is all that matters.
[17:29]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: I am sick of this corrupt shit.
[17:30]	MinceR	CrystalMath: afghanistan is a tiny fragment of the land where authoritarian monsters rule
[17:30]	MinceR	and probably isn't even the worst example
[17:30]	CrystalMath	MinceR: we do not know if they are monsters, how do you know you are better than them?
[17:30]	CrystalMath	i personally don't think you are
[17:30]	CrystalMath	you would oppress people in different ways
[17:30]	MinceR	i use my central nervous system
[17:30]	XRevan86	MinceR: How do ye know ye are better than Putin?
[17:30]	MinceR	i think about things
[17:30]	CrystalMath	you would probably take away my right to incandecent lightbulbs and leaded solder, among other things
[17:30]	XRevan86	Very arrogant of you, MinceR, tsk-tsk.
[17:30]	MinceR	with that, it's easy to know that they are monsters
[17:30]	MinceR	and it's easy to know that i'm better than them
[17:30]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: you can't ever know that, because there is no objective good or bad
[17:31]	CrystalMath	so no, you are not better than Putin objectively, because it's impossible to be better or worse objectively
[17:31]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Maybe we can make a count of how many people Putin and MinceR tried to poison and then go from there.
[17:31]	MinceR	> there is no objective good or bad
[17:31]	MinceR	so what the hell are you arguing for?
[17:31]	CrystalMath	MinceR: diversity!
[17:31]	CrystalMath	diversity of thought, diversity of systems
[17:32]	MinceR	where's the diversity between all the systems of oppression you support?
[17:32]	CrystalMath	MinceR: the systems of oppression you support would exist too, of course
[17:32]	MinceR	where's the thought in the bullshit orban and his allies spout?
[17:32]	MinceR	like the recent racist idiocy
[17:32]	MinceR	21 183235 < CrystalMath> MinceR: the systems of oppression you support would exist too, of course
[17:32]	MinceR	that's the empty set
[17:33]	CrystalMath	MinceR: you support the EU, which is oppressive
[17:33]	MinceR	CrystalMath: why do you argue for diversity?
[17:33]	XRevan86	Can there be diversity *inside* Russia or is it only allowed for Russia itself to be divergent in how backwards it is?
[17:33]	MinceR	i prefer the EU to orbanistan
[17:33]	MinceR	other than that, it's failing hard
[17:33]	CrystalMath	it wants to ban the consumption of meat, leaded solder (which is the only good kind), incandescent lightbulbs, petrol engines (the only ones not remotely controlled by Tesla)....
[17:33]	MinceR	the EU has some nice alleged values, but either they don't care to uphold them, or are too incompetent to do so
[17:33]	XRevan86	Also, how diversive can an iron boot even be?
[17:34]	MinceR	where's the diversity of thought in a totalitarian dictatorship?
[17:34]	MinceR	where's the diversity of thought where people are thrown in gulag for expressing dissent?
[17:34]	XRevan86	CrystalMath is robbed of the ncandecent lightbulb, I am a potential felon for even talking about this.
[17:34]	CrystalMath	MinceR: yeah like people arrested for quoting the bible at a pride parade
[17:34]	CrystalMath	MinceR: shame on germany
[17:34]	MinceR	pretty sure we have incandescent lightbulbs
[17:34]	XRevan86	One is slavery, the other is true freedom, don't mistake one for the other.
[17:35]	MinceR	CrystalMath: why do you argue for diversity?
[17:35]	CrystalMath	MinceR: if you quote the bible, you are "intolerant" and thrown in to the gulag
[17:35]	CrystalMath	MinceR: because no system is right
[17:35]	MinceR	CrystalMath: so how can you be sure that diversity is right?
[17:35]	XRevan86	https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/08/21/drag-queen-and-chechen-veteran-bomba-kibersisi-made-to-apologise-on-camera-for-singing-russian-anthem-while-holding-lgbt-flag-news "Drag queen and Chechen veteran Bomba Kibersisi made to apologise on camera for singing Russian anthem while holding LGBT flag"
[17:35]	TR Bot	 . 
[17:35]	CrystalMath	MinceR: since the alternative would mean that one system would rule over all
[17:35]	CrystalMath	MinceR: this would be bad because no system is right, of course
[17:35]	MinceR	also, can they hurry up and throw the members of the CDU and the CSU in that gulag already?
[17:36]	CrystalMath	so, the one ruling system would necesarily be bad
[17:36]	MinceR	> this would be bad
[17:36]	XRevan86	There were several instances when quotes from the Bible on a banner got considered discreditation of the Russian army.
[17:36]	MinceR	> there is no objective good or bad
[17:36]	CrystalMath	MinceR: it's a paradox, one that is only resolved by accepting diversity
[17:36]	MinceR	please make up your tiny mind.
[17:36]	MinceR	quotes from the bible could discredit anything, the bible being an inconsistent mess
[17:37]	CrystalMath	MinceR: yes but it should not be banned
[17:37]	CrystalMath	and people should not be arrested for reading it
[17:37]	MinceR	agreed
[17:37]	MinceR	and i doubt it's done anywhere
[17:37]	MinceR	except possibly in states run by religious fundamentalists
[17:37]	MinceR	for example, i doubt the talibans you support would take too kindly to anyone quoting the new testament.
[17:37]	CrystalMath	well i didn't say i want to invade germany, i just want to say that all systems are equally bad, and so we need a diversity of systems
[17:38]	CrystalMath	germany could even choose to jail people who are christian and i would not invade them
[17:38]	XRevan86	MinceR: That's a euphemism for "execution"?
[17:38]	CrystalMath	it's none of my business
[17:38]	MinceR	XRevan86: the exact punishment is irrelevant to my point
[17:38]	MinceR	there is no religious freedom in religious fundamentalist states
[17:39]	CrystalMath	MinceR: the solution isn't to eradicate islam, the solution is to give islam a little piece of territory, and also every other idea gets some territory too, then we can try all the ideas
[17:39]	MinceR	no, that's not the solution
[17:39]	MinceR	the solution is to tolerate muslims as long as they tolerate other people
[17:39]	MinceR	it's part of a little thing called "civilization"
[17:39]	MinceR	it's about time this species gave it a try.
[17:39]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Rats get better treatment.
[17:40]	CrystalMath	unfortunately, people attack eachother, we can choose to not be imperialists ourselves, but what about the imperialists who are around? my solution for that is for them to be countered by competing empires
[17:40]	CrystalMath	a multipolar world can keep the individual empires at bay
[17:40]	MinceR	my solution for that is to destroy the imperialists
[17:40]	XRevan86	Also sucks that Russia disagrees with CrystalMath.
[17:40]	MinceR	and abolish the states
[17:40]	XRevan86	And when Ukraine strayed away, Putin decided that it's time to do something about them.
[17:40]	MinceR	XRevan86: it's ok, they're special so they get a pass.
[17:40]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: Putin is constantly talking about a multipolar world
[17:40]	MinceR	putler is constantly lying
[17:40]	MinceR	so what else is new?
[17:41]	CrystalMath	Dugin also talked about a multipolar world, in his book
[17:41]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: I will give you a piece of absolute truth right now:
[17:41]	MinceR	dugin is also constantly lying
[17:41]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Putin's approach to speeches is he will construct a narrative that will work in his favour and then he will try to sell it.
[17:41]	CrystalMath	MinceR: well idk, they are at least saying nice things... the EU and Klaus Schwab are saying horrible things
[17:42]	XRevan86	MinceR: Don't know, Dugin is pretty much just insane.
[17:42]	MinceR	CrystalMath: maybe to you they seem to be nice things
[17:42]	CrystalMath	MinceR: yes, i want there to be different cultures that do things differently
[17:42]	MinceR	XRevan86: it's an insanity putler and orban are fond of, though
[17:42]	CrystalMath	i want the taliban to be free from external influence
[17:42]	CrystalMath	people who live with them have the option to leave, or live under their rules; like everywhere else...
[17:42]	MinceR	CrystalMath: again, a small cult oppressing tens of millions of people is not "a culture doing things differently"
[17:43]	CrystalMath	it's not like i can move to america and then disrespect copyright law
[17:43]	MinceR	i want the taliban to be free from the ability to run other people's lives
[17:43]	CrystalMath	MinceR: what about a cult trying to oppress 7 billion people?
[17:43]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Putin wants his "Russian World" where he can tell the satellite states what to do.
[17:43]	CrystalMath	MinceR: how do you never doubt your own view?
[17:43]	MinceR	CrystalMath: pretty much every cult is that
[17:43]	MinceR	CrystalMath: my views are not based on equivocation, they're based on thought
[17:44]	CrystalMath	so, you see that people are different in this world, and have vastly different ideas and beliefs?
[17:44]	CrystalMath	you want to take one idea, liberalism
[17:44]	CrystalMath	and you want to make sure that anyone who has contrary ideas has no power
[17:44]	CrystalMath	that's called IMPERIALISM
[17:44]	MinceR	yes, most people are different from what one would call intelligent or civilized
[17:45]	MinceR	CrystalMath: do you think that because you haven't given your idea a name, it's not an ideology?
[17:45]	XRevan86	"so, you see that people are different in this world, and have vastly different ideas and beliefs?" <- Like Ukrainians who by and large want Putin gone?
[17:45]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: what about the people of the donbass who want to be free from the Kiev junta?
[17:46]	MinceR	XRevan86: what about the people of the donbass who want to be free from russian oppression?
[17:46]	CrystalMath	MinceR: you are now using precisely britain's imperialist language, btw
[17:46]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: In 8 years all they want is to be left in one piece.
[17:46]	MinceR	english?
[17:46]	CrystalMath	MinceR: those already left
[17:46]	MinceR	ooh
[17:46]	MinceR	there's the solution
[17:46]	MinceR	too bad your allies don't like it
[17:46]	MinceR	if they did, there would have been no iron curtain and no berlin wall
[17:46]	CrystalMath	MinceR: anyway... i meant this.. you are using the words like "civilized"
[17:46]	MinceR	how dare i use english words
[17:46]	MinceR	i should type in hungarian
[17:47]	MinceR	i'm sure you'd understand it to the same extent.
[17:47]	CrystalMath	yes but that's what the british empire uses to describe people who have their ideas
[17:47]	CrystalMath	you are quoting their jingoistic texts
[17:47]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Ironically, this "liberation" invasion has put these exact people in significantly more danger than they ever were before 2022.
[17:47]	MinceR	i don't care for the british empire, and i'm pretty sure they had no clue what civilization is
[17:47]	MinceR	i'm not quoting anyone
[17:47]	MinceR	do you see quote marks?
[17:47]	XRevan86	That certainly hasn't boosted anyone's morale.
[17:47]	CrystalMath	MinceR: here is their white supremacist bullcrap: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Man's_Burden
[17:47]	TR Bot	 The White Man's Burden - Wikipedia
[17:48]	CrystalMath	MinceR: "our system is civilized, the others are barbarians, we should invade them and save them by enforcing our ideas"
[17:48]	MinceR	i see the ruscist maneuver of "i'll tell you what you're saying"
[17:48]	MinceR	we don't have a civilized system
[17:48]	XRevan86	And "DPR"/"LPR" are scum.
[17:48]	MinceR	we have people taking personal costs to harm other people on a daily basis
[17:48]	CrystalMath	this is a sickening imperialist sentence: <@MinceR> yes, most people are different from what one would call intelligent or civilized
[17:48]	MinceR	that is not civilization, that's the human condition
[17:48]	MinceR	i see the truth sickens you
[17:48]	MinceR	too fucking bad
[17:48]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: why?
[17:48]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: i think they are nice people
[17:49]	CrystalMath	MinceR: so who is civilized? some kind of god?
[17:49]	MinceR	but it will be even worse when your uncivilized and unintelligent collective behavior finally dooms your species.
[17:49]	CrystalMath	or just you and your liberal clique?
[17:49]	MinceR	i don't have a clique, sadly
[17:49]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Nice people who robbed their own regions? Then mobilised every man walking (that's more true of "LPR" than "DPR").
[17:49]	CrystalMath	yes you do, Klaus Schwab is with you
[17:49]	XRevan86	Luhansk is the city of women.
[17:49]	MinceR	no, he is not
[17:49]	MinceR	klaus schwab wants me to not own propety
[17:49]	MinceR	s/ety/erty/
[17:49]	MinceR	fuck him.
[17:49]	CrystalMath	MinceR: it's better for the climate
[17:49]	CrystalMath	just like eating bugs
[17:50]	MinceR	no, it is not better for the climate
[17:50]	CrystalMath	idk, i heard liberals are very pissed when someone strays from their hardline ideology...
[17:50]	MinceR	what would be better for the climate are things humans won't be willing to do
[17:50]	CrystalMath	so make sure they don't find out you said you want to own property
[17:50]	MinceR	and so the species will go extinct
[17:50]	MinceR	that's not liberalism, then
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[17:51]	MinceR	neither classical nor social
[17:51]	XRevan86	https://youtu.be/MoFYXKgr8Bo a nice person
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[17:52]	XRevan86	(a Hero of Russia and "DPR")
[17:52]	XRevan86	https://youtu.be/SabpNMZQBZc I don't know why they even filmed this stuff.
[17:52]	TR Bot	https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=SabpNMZQBZc
[17:52]	TR Bot	invidious.esmailelbob.xyz | - Invidious
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[17:55]	XRevan86	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsen_Pavlov#Death a fate which is to be expected
[17:55]	TR Bot	 Arsen Pavlov - Wikipedia
[17:58]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: as far as i understand, they are just ukrainians who hate the european union
[17:58]	CrystalMath	and so since we have the same enemy, i like them
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[18:02]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: I eat babies but I do it with hate towards the EU, want to be friends?
[18:02]	XRevan86	Also consider how diverse that is.
[18:02]	XRevan86	Baby eating is frowned upon and oppressed.
[18:03]	XRevan86	(disclaimer: this is role playing in the context, I don't actually eat babies)
[18:03]	CrystalMath	i mean, i defend cultures that throw people into volcanoes to appease a volcano god, i say they should not be invaded
[18:04]	CrystalMath	i say they should be allowed to continue doing this until they themselves realize there is no volcano god
[18:04]	CrystalMath	and the only allowed interference is non-violent
[18:04]	CrystalMath	so, giving them books, etc...
[18:04]	CrystalMath	if you bomb them to stop the throwing of people into volcanoes, you're a monster
[18:05]	CrystalMath	this is what i actually believe, there is no point at which you may be violent to another culture that is not being violent to you
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[18:06]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: What happens when a culture is violent?
[18:06]	XRevan86	and a culture to which that other culture is violet to asks for help?
[18:06]	MinceR	21 190331 < XRevan86> (disclaimer: this is role playing in the context, I don't actually eat babies)
[18:07]	MinceR	they won't quote this line on shitter
[18:07]	XRevan86	MinceR: Heh.
[18:08]	CrystalMath	MinceR: as if twitter would take my side over XRevan86's or yours...
[18:08]	MinceR	it's not your side over ours, it's the corporate SJW's side over TR's
[18:08]	XRevan86	s/twitter/humanity/g
[18:08]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: actually, i think most of the world likes the diversity of thought
[18:09]	MinceR	i think most of the word likes the lack of thought
[18:09]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Most of the world doesn't like dictators.
[18:09]	CrystalMath	the vast majority of the world is religious, with MANY different religions, it's human to be different
[18:09]	MinceR	and there isn't much diversity in that
[18:09]	MinceR	religion is not thought
[18:09]	MinceR	and apparently it's human to exterminate one's own species
[18:10]	CrystalMath	i especially like north sentinel island
[18:12]	CrystalMath	we need the world to have more of that, people choosing to separate themselves completely from all others
[18:13]	CrystalMath	we are not all the same, we are different, and we deserve to have different ideas and beliefs
[18:14]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: But only if those ideas are against the EU?
[18:15]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: well the EU has the idea that everybody must be conquered and enslaved in the name of liberalism
[18:15]	CrystalMath	so of course, we must seek to stop the EU from succeeding, in order to attain this diversity
[18:16]	CrystalMath	everybody should be against imperialists, but... we also have to acknowledge that they exist, so i believe in having different empires that are in a stalemate
[18:16]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Well Russia has the idea that everybody must be conquered and enslaved in the name of the Russian World; so of course, we must seek to stop Russia from succeeding, in order to attain this diversity
[18:17]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: i truly don't think it has such an idea, but i mean, such an idea is again impossible because of the existence of the US, EU, and china
[18:17]	XRevan86	"i truly don't think it has such an idea" <- Holy crap.
[18:18]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: It's been proclaimed a billion times.
[18:18]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: does russia consider the UK a part of the russian world?
[18:18]	XRevan86	Do ye have bavolna in your ears?
[18:18]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: It's more of an adjacent territories thing.
[18:19]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: so, it's about russians having a right to be separate from the EU
[18:19]	CrystalMath	which is trying to push itself onto them
[18:19]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: No, it's about having control over the neighbours.
[18:19]	CrystalMath	the EU is expanding eastward, and has been for 30 years
[18:19]	CrystalMath	you don't seem to care about that, though
[18:19]	CrystalMath	when the EU expands, that's fine
[18:19]	CrystalMath	but when russia expands to south ossetia, that's wrong
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[18:20]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: I am yet to see the EU use the military to expand.
[18:20]	XRevan86	It's all application this, application that, extremely boring.
[18:20]	XRevan86	Where's the fun?
[18:20]	CrystalMath	and again that is probably based on "everybody LOVES liberalism, they are just begging to be put in the padded prison of political correctness!"
[18:21]	CrystalMath	like how Moldova had 3 elections, every time the pro-russians won, and every time there was a revolution
[18:21]	CrystalMath	so non-violent, this EU...
[18:21]	XRevan86	When the methodologists proposed the idea of the Russian World, they thought of Russia as using its economical influence to shape the world.
[18:21]	XRevan86	But somewhere along the way it turned into "let's undermine our neighbours so that they do what we told them".
[18:21]	CrystalMath	it's interesting how the people vote for pro-russians, and then some armed people storm the government to push it back on the EU track
[18:21]	CrystalMath	but that's not violent, no
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[18:22]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: the EU is very, very violent, it just doesn't use its military, it funds terrorists
[18:22]	techuser	tuxmachines now?
[18:22]	techuser	was gamingonlinux
[18:22]	techuser	you are worsening
[18:23]	schestowitz[TR]	techuser: so you never use proprietary software I take it...?
[18:24]	heureka	CrystalMath: soviet regime left a blood trail in history too
[18:24]	techuser	I sometimes do
[18:24]	techuser	but you promote it
[18:25]	XRevan86	If only Hitler were here to oppose the EU, amirite?
[18:25]	heureka	unrelated to recent events: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism
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[18:33]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: nah, Hitler was its founder
[18:33]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Wow, that's a twist.
[18:34]	CrystalMath	yes, the monstrous idea of european unification is his idea
[18:41]	CrystalMath	he also believed there are two kinds of people: those who believe in his ideology, and those who deserve to be banished or exterminated
[18:42]	CrystalMath	just like the people i argue with here...
[18:42]	CrystalMath	let's not forget that while i would permit liberalism to exist in a part of the world, you would NOT permit any other system to exist ANYWHERE in the world, possibly not even the universe
[18:42]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: "And *I* was Putin all along ." <- I am not actually Putin.
[18:44]	XRevan86	If I were I'd find a play for you in the Navalny's Labour Union.
[18:44]	XRevan86	* a place
[18:46]	CrystalMath	perhaps it's a mistake to let liberalism exist, after all, they would not permit me to exist
[18:47]	CrystalMath	but if liberals can be controlled, and beaten if they ever try to "save" anyone ever again, then they can live they way they want, why not
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[18:52]	MinceR	21 191058 < CrystalMath> i especially like north sentinel island
[18:53]	MinceR	i wonder how well you'll like it when it's under the ocean
[18:53]	MinceR	21 191518 < CrystalMath> XRevan86: well the EU has the idea that everybody must be conquered and enslaved in the name of liberalism
[18:53]	MinceR	that's funny
[18:53]	MinceR	every member of the EU joined voluntarily
[18:53]	MinceR	none of the territories the orcish empire annexed did
[18:53]	MinceR	neither did the eastern bloc after ww2
[18:54]	MinceR	and yet it's the orcs and their fans that are screaming "imperialism" every fucking minute
[18:54]	MinceR	21 191905 < CrystalMath> XRevan86: so, it's about russians having a right to be separate from the EU
[18:54]	MinceR	then don't join the EU?
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[18:55]	XRevan86	MinceR: But Ukraine is on course of eurointegration, so they must be invaded to stop that.
[18:55]	MinceR	right
[18:55]	MinceR	funny how this self-determination and diversity works
[18:56]	MinceR	apparently, people have no rights, and countries have rights only to oppress and torture people
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[18:56]	XRevan86	MinceR: As long as it's against the EU it's all fair game.
[18:56]	MinceR	right
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[18:56]	XRevan86	MinceR: And all the crimes are alleged.
[18:57]	XRevan86	Even when they are filmed.
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[18:57]	XRevan86	Or especially then.
[18:57]	XRevan86	MinceR: Just look at what the EU made us do! Disgusting!
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[18:58]	XRevan86	Usually it's "NATO" but CrystalMath has his own twist on the story.
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[18:59]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: russia does not intend to stop all of the ukraine from joining the EU, just the part that doesn't want it
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[19:00]	CrystalMath	which the other part attacked first
[19:00]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Like Kherson?
[19:00]	MinceR	CrystalMath: like kyiv?
[19:00]	CrystalMath	well i know the donbass and crimea absolutely don't want to join the EU, Kherson was probably taken to stop attacks on these areas
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[19:00]	MinceR	(do i need to remind you that your favorite orcish horde also tried to destroy kyiv?)
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[19:01]	XRevan86	MinceR: Never happened, the "gesture of good will" restroactively erased the past ambitions from history.
[19:01]	CrystalMath	MinceR: i don't really know about military tactics and things like that
[19:01]	MinceR	i don't know why people even have referenda, when oracles like CrystalMath already know what the people want
[19:01]	MinceR	CrystalMath: there are many things you do not know about, but does that stop you from trying to educate others?
[19:02]	XRevan86	"Kherson was probably taken to stop attacks on these areas" <- https://memegenerator.net/img/images/15803187.jpg
[19:02]	CrystalMath	anyway, "every member of the EU joined voluntarily" is maybe true for the countries that filled it up by the 90s
[19:02]	XRevan86	CrystalMath is a born comedian.
[19:03]	heureka	i never agreed to join EU, never was asked, and the three "currency reforms" of EU were imposed against my will too
[19:03]	CrystalMath	heureka: when did your country join?
[19:03]	heureka	CrystalMath: never, it was colonized, east-germany, after 1990
[19:03]	CrystalMath	ah, yes, so indeed you were forced by violence
[19:03]	CrystalMath	that's very sad :(
[19:04]	MinceR	hungary was a republic when it joined, with a real referendum, and despite ruscist propaganda from fideath, it still enjoys the support of the majority
[19:04]	XRevan86	The Berlin wall was violently demolished, yes.
[19:04]	heureka	CrystalMath: no violence, they chose expropriations of the inhabitants
[19:04]	MinceR	also a hilarious idea
[19:04]	heureka	this was the method of EU and the west
[19:04]	CrystalMath	heureka: well that is also violence
[19:04]	XRevan86	Must be the EU infiltrators that destroyed the Wall.
[19:05]	MinceR	apparently everything is violence except actual violence
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[19:05]	CrystalMath	MinceR: do you, like, ever criticize the liberal world for its invasions, i wonder... even once?
[19:05]	XRevan86	MinceR: The strange thing is that when I made ludicrious claims for comedic purposes, it helps me fit in.
[19:05]	CrystalMath	i criticize soviet russia for invading afghanistan, that was wrong
[19:06]	MinceR	CrystalMath: probably, if they were mentioned
[19:06]	heureka	XRevan86: well, who occupied Germany?
[19:06]	XRevan86	Must be a form of Poe's Law.
[19:06]	CrystalMath	MinceR: do you criticize the US invasion of afghanistan?
[19:06]	MinceR	CrystalMath: but in the first place, i'd like for a liberal world to actually exist
[19:06]	MinceR	instead of a slightly less shitty part of the world
[19:06]	XRevan86	heureka: First I must ask if "internal occupation" in your vocabulary.
[19:06]	CrystalMath	MinceR: do you criticize the US invasion of afghanistan?
[19:07]	MinceR	CrystalMath: i probably already did
[19:07]	heureka	CrystalMath rarely speaks here, hence i don't want to interrupt him XRevan86 
[19:07]	MinceR	interesting how that works
[19:07]	CrystalMath	MinceR: okay, good, but you seem to struggle to say it, as if somehow you were kinda happy about the idea of people being killed because their culture involves women wearing burqas
[19:07]	MinceR	someone must always flood the channel with ruscist nonsense
[19:07]	MinceR	but it's ok if it's only 1 person at a time
[19:08]	MinceR	CrystalMath: i'm no fan of the taliban either
[19:08]	CrystalMath	MinceR: but at least you agree they should not be killed by outside invaders?
[19:08]	MinceR	CrystalMath: also, islamist "culture" involves doing far worse things to women than that, though i'm sure your "thought" leaders aren't bragging about it right now
[19:08]	CrystalMath	MinceR: it is not my place to tell them what to do
[19:08]	MinceR	only when they must incide hatred against refugees
[19:09]	MinceR	lol
[19:09]	CrystalMath	i can say what *I* would do
[19:09]	MinceR	it must be nice to be someone to whom it is not your place to tell what to do
[19:09]	CrystalMath	and i can say, i wouldn't do that
[19:09]	MinceR	it's a small and elite club
[19:09]	CrystalMath	it seems like about half of the whole world would rather force the taliban to live in ways contrary to their ideas and beliefs
[19:10]	MinceR	i'd prefer to just kill them
[19:10]	CrystalMath	that half includes the evil atlantic empire (US, Canada, UK, western europe, and its outskirts new zealand and australia
[19:10]	MinceR	they can't tolerate anyone else living in freedom anyway
[19:10]	XRevan86	Maybe most of the Afghanis would like to force the Taliban to live in ways contrary to their ideas and beliefs.
[19:10]	CrystalMath	<@MinceR> i'd prefer to just kill them <- so you're a murderer?
[19:10]	XRevan86	But they have guns.
[19:10]	MinceR	yes, everyone who would kill in self-defense or in defense of innocents is a murderer
[19:10]	XRevan86	They know how to use them, and they have no mercy.
[19:10]	CrystalMath	also you just backtracked
[19:11]	MinceR	right
[19:11]	CrystalMath	<@MinceR> CrystalMath: i probably already did
[19:11]	MinceR	CrystalMath: do you think the taliban carry guns as ornaments?
[19:11]	CrystalMath	like wow... so you don't actually criticize the US invasion
[19:11]	CrystalMath	you criticize that the US left
[19:11]	XRevan86	Having no mercy really helps to that diversity thing CrystalMath is talking about.
[19:11]	MinceR	the US failed to achieve its goals with the invasion
[19:11]	MinceR	so it was a failed invasion
[19:11]	CrystalMath	you are a hopeless libtard and i hope that all your dreams are crushed forever and ever
[19:12]	XRevan86	My dreams have been crushed before I was even eligible to "vote".
[19:12]	MinceR	CrystalMath: but before you get all too enthusiastic about this, you should read up on what your beloved orcs did in afghanistan.
[19:12]	MinceR	CrystalMath: you are a hopeless fascist and i hope you die slowly and painfully.
[19:13]	MinceR	also, my dreams were crushed long ago, when i found out what humans were actually like.
[19:14]	XRevan86	I have a mentality of a slave, and it's probably going to scar me for life.
[19:14]	CrystalMath	MinceR: i'm a fascist, but you want to go kill people, i don't
[19:14]	CrystalMath	libtards are the true fascists
[19:14]	MinceR	CrystalMath: what do you think your idols are doing to ukrainians right now?
[19:14]	CrystalMath	i just want people to be left alone to live the way they want
[19:14]	MinceR	no, you don't want that
[19:14]	MinceR	you're a pathological liar
[19:14]	CrystalMath	MinceR: what are the ukrainians doing in the donbass?
[19:14]	MinceR	you want a small minority to oppress, torture and terrorize billions of people
[19:14]	CrystalMath	having a picnic, scattering petal mines on civilians
[19:14]	MinceR	try to re-establish their republic?
[19:15]	CrystalMath	by scattering petal mines on civilians
[19:15]	XRevan86	"scattering petal mines" <- I guess I'm the only one who tries to avoid unconfirmed events.
[19:15]	MinceR	you should know that unconfirmed events claimed by ruscist propaganda media is gospel
[19:16]	MinceR	while well documented facts stated by everyone else is "lies"
[19:16]	CrystalMath	yeah sure, ignore all the people interviewed by Patrick Lancaster, they are all paid actors
[19:16]	CrystalMath	ignore that he recorded missiles falling onto civilian houses in a village
[19:17]	CrystalMath	being fired from ukrop-controlled places
[19:17]	CrystalMath	every time the EU commits terrorism, it's always fake
[19:17]	CrystalMath	MinceR: i guess it was also fake when i saw it first hand?
[19:18]	CrystalMath	when they bombed serbia
[19:18]	CrystalMath	that must have been fake, right? the EU would never kill innocent civilians
[19:18]	MinceR	i guess you already forgot why they bombed serbia
[19:18]	CrystalMath	they bombed civilians in serbia that had nothing to do with anything happening in kosovo
[19:19]	MinceR	also, that the victims of the serbs aren't people who deserve to live the way they want to
[19:19]	CrystalMath	it cannot be justified
[19:19]	CrystalMath	it's monstrous that you even try it
[19:19]	XRevan86	https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=https://theins.press/antifake/251862 "RIA  Novosti spoke about the "crime of the Ukrainian Nazis" according to an  American who has already been seen in creating fakes about Ukraine"
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[19:20]	XRevan86	What a great chap this Lancaster guy.
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[19:20]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: it was probably also fake when i saw americans bomb civilian targets first hand
[19:20]	CrystalMath	since like, they would never do anything like that, right?
[19:20]	CrystalMath	except ALWAYS
[19:21]	CrystalMath	dude, did you not see the video Assange published?
[19:21]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Sure, let that be the reason why ye must believe in lies.
[19:21]	MinceR	everybody knows only orcs and talibans have the right to bomb civilian targets
[19:21]	CrystalMath	MinceR: that's no reason to claim that ukrops and yanks never do that
[19:21]	CrystalMath	and that's no reason to claim that when ukrops and yanks do it, that it's somehow justified
[19:21]	MinceR	orcs and talibans have the perfect excuse for everything
[19:22]	MinceR	and their victims are apparently not humans
[19:22]	CrystalMath	note that the taliban never fought outside of afghanistan
[19:22]	CrystalMath	which is where they live
[19:22]	CrystalMath	and their homes is what you tried to take away, and failed thankfully
[19:23]	CrystalMath	at the same time, you could also remember that russia never fought on another continent
[19:23]	CrystalMath	while yanks certainly have
[19:23]	XRevan86	"note that the taliban never fought outside of afghanistan" <- So Tajikistan is also Afghanistan?
[19:24]	XRevan86	MinceR: It's always a good idea to double check everything CrystalMath presents as fact.
[19:24]	CrystalMath	the taliban did not take over tajikistan
[19:24]	CrystalMath	they were fighting to keep their own homes
[19:24]	XRevan86	They failed never happened?
[19:25]	CrystalMath	when did they try?
[19:25]	XRevan86	The 90s, but reportedly they're still have a presence there.
[19:25]	CrystalMath	they have a presence in pakistan too, i'm not sure if that counts as an invasion
[19:25]	MinceR	XRevan86: life is too short for that, so i just ignore all of those
[19:26]	XRevan86	MinceR: That works.
[19:26]	MinceR	i wonder if the people oppressed by the talibans think of the place where they live "ah yes, this is one of the homes of the taliban"
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[19:27]	CrystalMath	not only are most pashto people taliban supporters, but a number of dari people support it too; probably some tajiks
[19:28]	CrystalMath	it's not our business anyway, leave them alone
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[19:28]	CrystalMath	they leave you alone... they would have delivered Osama bin Laden, if only america would guarantee him a fair trial
[19:28]	MinceR	what is apparently your business is what alliances ukrainians enter into.
[19:28]	MinceR	interesting.
[19:28]	MinceR	ukrainians left me alone
[19:28]	MinceR	orcs didn't
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[19:28]	MinceR	usians left me alone
[19:28]	CrystalMath	ukrainians didn't leave the donbass alone
[19:28]	MinceR	chinese didn't
[19:29]	CrystalMath	what did the chinese do to you?
[19:29]	CrystalMath	i recall of no chinese invasion of hungary
[19:29]	MinceR	supported the fascist government that oppresses me
[19:29]	XRevan86	MinceR: It's evident sovereignty means nothing to CrystalMath.
[19:29]	MinceR	XRevan86: only the sovereignty of shitholes like orcland, red china and north korea.
[19:30]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: i believe that it's better to split than to oppress, if there is a strong geographic line that could be drawn
[19:30]	CrystalMath	so yeah, i don't think serbia should retake all of kosovo
[19:30]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: And if an outside power decides where the line is drawn, that's a-O.K.
[19:30]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: the people can decide it
[19:30]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: And the people are FSB.
[19:30]	CrystalMath	no, the people who live there
[19:30]	XRevan86	Nah, FSB seems more reliable.
[19:31]	CrystalMath	the people who live in the donbass are very reliably pro-russian
[19:31]	CrystalMath	probably more so than the FSB
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[19:31]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Is that why the 2014 war was ignited by an FSB operative?
[19:31]	MinceR	why talk of putler in the plural?
[19:32]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: oh so like euromaidan tearing down the entire democratic system of ukraine was... what?
[19:32]	MinceR	"the person can decide it"
[19:32]	MinceR	more honest, more grammatically correct.
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[19:32]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Consider it a test of literacy, do ye know of whom I speak?
[19:32]	CrystalMath	no...
[19:33]	CrystalMath	it's probably some false narrative
[19:33]	XRevan86	Igor Girkin-Strelkov.
[19:34]	XRevan86	"it's probably some false narrative" <- Maybe he doesn't exist.
[19:34]	XRevan86	All a figment of imagination.
[19:34]	XRevan86	He's also a cornerstone of the MH17 case.
[19:35]	XRevan86	And quite an amusing chap, currently he is a big critic of how the war is conducted.
[19:36]	XRevan86	One of the biggest war criminals is exposing the lies of Russian war propaganda, now isn't that the Zeitgeist.
[19:36]	CrystalMath	hmm, i had to check first, it seems that Strelkov was that lunatic who said romania has taken over moldova
[19:36]	CrystalMath	i wouldn't trust anything he says
[19:37]	MinceR	(cat) https://ircz.de/p/2208018
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[19:37]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Doesn't sound like something he would say.
[19:37]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: What are your sources?
[19:38]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: i saw it on twitter, i remember searching for who it is and it was the same face, though i did not find the post again
[19:39]	MinceR	truthiness
[19:39]	MinceR	it feels true, therefore it is true.
[19:40]	CrystalMath	he did say it: https://www.national.ro/stiri-externe/oficial-rus-acuza-romania-ca-se-pregateste-pentru-atacarea-transnistriei-si-anexarea-republicii-moldova-760462.html
[19:40]	TR Bot	 INCREDIBIL: RUSIA ACUZ ROMNIA c se pregtete s atace Transnistria! PLANUL pentru anexarea Moldovei! | Ziarul National
[19:40]	CrystalMath	i remember the post began with "is planning to" but then said "the romanian military has already taken control of most bases"
[19:40]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Do ye have a problem with faces?
[19:41]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: i do sometimes feel like i have trouble identifying faces, but tests showed that it's not clinically bad
[19:41]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Markov
[19:41]	TR Bot	 Sergei Markov - Wikipedia
[19:42]	CrystalMath	the source above has this sentence: "Anterior, fostul ministru al Aprrii al RDP, Igor Strelkov, afirmase c Romnia face pregtiri ascunse pentru capturarea Moldovei!"
[19:42]	XRevan86	As ye can see, this is not just a completely different person, but also a close ally to Putin.
[19:42]	CrystalMath	no i didn't mean the whole article as a source, the articles just mentions what i remember
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[19:43]	CrystalMath	apparently Strelkov's statement did not warrant a whole article for itself
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[19:44]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: I see.
[19:44]	MinceR	lol
[19:44]	XRevan86	Just some Russian madness over Transnistria.
[19:44]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Girkin is not immune, he's a monarchist.
[19:45]	XRevan86	and a supporter of the Russian World
[19:46]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: He's the most honest the pro-Kremlin world has to offer, but the bar is extremely low.
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[19:48]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: https://bellingcat.com/news/2022/07/18/donbas-doubles-the-search-for-girkin-and-plotnitskys-cover-identities/ this can give an outline.
[19:48]	TR Bot	Doubles: The Search for Girkin and Plotnitsky's Cover Identities - bellingcat
[19:48]	CrystalMath	i think Strelkov is just nuts
[19:49]	TR News	"I completed my order of the Steam Deck last week." gopher://sdfeu.org:70/0/users/glaciurso/phlog/2022-08-21__Update.md
[19:49]	XRevan86	They all are.
[19:49]		*heureka (~heureka@zbyq5zpgk4h7a.irc) has joined #techrights
[19:49]	MinceR	you'd have to be nuts to support vladolf
[19:50]	TR News	"Linux is the second most popular OS after Windows." Windows is not popular. OEMs force many people to use it on PCs. https://dekisoft.com/best-programmable-mechanical-keyboards-linux/
[19:50]	TR Bot	Best Programmable and Mechanical Keyboards For Linux 2022 (Update) - DekiSoft
[19:51]	MinceR	Linux is a kernel, not an OS
[19:51]	MinceR	also, windows is malware, not an OS
[19:51]	schestowitz[TR]	Maldows
[19:51]	XRevan86	The collaborators are freaks on top of freaks, Stremousov is one of the saner ones and even he looks like he escaped an asylum.
[19:51]	schestowitz[TR]	Rachel Maldows
[19:52]	CrystalMath	i think Strelkov is either purposely trying to discredit russia, or if he truly is pro-russian, he should just retire
[19:52]	CrystalMath	i hear he was arrested in crimea recently
[19:52]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: The funky thing about him is, as he self-proclaims, he is trying not to lie.
[19:52]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Oh yea, he was trying to go to the front.
[19:53]	TR News	How To Install KDE Plasma on Fedora 36 - idroot https://idroot.us/install-kde-plasma-fedora-36/ Source: ID Root | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//idroot.us/install-kde-plasma-fedora-36/
[19:53]	TR Bot	 How To Install KDE Plasma on Fedora 36 - idroot
[19:53]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Apparently he's trying to get involved in order to gain back some influence.
[19:54]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Anyway, again, this discussion started over that this man started the war.
[19:54]	XRevan86	The first shot fired.
[19:55]	XRevan86	And he is not even a Donbas national, he arrived from Russia, where he served FSB.
● Aug 21
[20:00]	CrystalMath	euromaidan is also a form of coercion against the people, it's a shot at democracy, a fatal one
[20:00]	MinceR	that's bullshit
[20:00]	MinceR	euromaidan happened before putler's puppets took over and destroyed the democracy before that
[20:01]	MinceR	and everything that happened since proves that too
[20:01]	CrystalMath	MinceR: the 2010 election was confirmed to be "free and fair" by virtually everyone
[20:01]	MinceR	they hand that rating out very lightly
[20:01]	MinceR	probably because every republic is deeply flawed
[20:02]	CrystalMath	either every republic is lying... or maybe... just maybe... the people of east ukraine really did vote in Yanukovich for all of ukraine
[20:02]	CrystalMath	remember, according to you, i don't exist - i would always vote pro-Putin
[20:03]	CrystalMath	because i want to support a world in which the taliban are free to run their country the way they want to
[20:03]	CrystalMath	meanwhile, you want to "kill them" (sic)
[20:03]	MinceR	i wonder how you mental-gymnasticked that together
[20:04]	CrystalMath	<@MinceR> i'd prefer to just kill them
[20:04]	CrystalMath	the mental gymnastics of a direct quote :P
[20:04]	MinceR	how does that quote mean that you don't exist?
[20:05]	CrystalMath	you basically believe that it's impossible for Putin to win a fair election, and that pro-russian voters don't exist
[20:05]	CrystalMath	even while talking to one
[20:06]	MinceR	putler never tried to win a fair election
[20:06]	MinceR	he was the successor yeltsin was persuaded to pick for himself
[20:06]	MinceR	also, afaik you don't get to vote for vladolf anyway
[20:06]	CrystalMath	well, it was Yanukovich more specifically, but everybody knew (since there was a whole orange revolution against him in 2004) that he is basically Putin
[20:06]	XRevan86	MinceR: At least he actually could theoretically lose that first one, even if it was rigged.
[20:07]	MinceR	"he could theoretically lose" is CrystalMath's preferred standard
[20:07]	XRevan86	It was the first and last election, rigged or not.
[20:07]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: the EU monitored everything, because pro-EU forces were in power
[20:07]	XRevan86	* rigged or otherwise
[20:07]	CrystalMath	pro-EU forces had ALL the power to intimidate people into voting pro-EU
[20:07]	MinceR	that's funny
[20:07]	MinceR	reading that from an alleged EU member
[20:07]	CrystalMath	anti-EU forces just... existed, and voted anti-EU, and WON
[20:08]	MinceR	knowing about how elections are orchestrated here
[20:08]	MinceR	my life probably wouldn't be nearly as squalid if the EU was anywhere near as powerful as you keep insisting it is
[20:08]	CrystalMath	MinceR: so you think EU officials from brussels skewed things in Putin's favor?
[20:08]	MinceR	granted, orban and his pals wouldn't have as much money to throw around and brag about
[20:08]	CrystalMath	all under the watch of strongly anti-russian west ukrainians?
[20:09]	MinceR	CrystalMath: i have yet to see evidence that they skewed things in any way
[20:09]	CrystalMath	okay, so Yanukovich, a previously proven pro-russian, won the election fair and square
[20:09]	CrystalMath	what gave anyone the right to take him down by force?
[20:12]	CrystalMath	the EU and its mindless libtard minions in eastern europe never win with a ballot box, but only with an ammo box...
[20:12]	CrystalMath	that's what they did in moldova
[20:12]	CrystalMath	and what they did in ukraine, except for two parts that tried to get away from it
[20:12]	CrystalMath	crimea and the donbass
[20:12]	MinceR	that's an interesting twist on the truth
[20:13]	MinceR	considering how the "referendum" in crimea actually went
[20:13]	MinceR	with no choice to leave things as they were, and "voting" under military threat and occupation
[20:13]	MinceR	i don't know why i don't just ignore you
[20:13]	CrystalMath	results: ~70% voted yes, ~30% did not vote (let's even say they're all against, even)
[20:13]	MinceR	you predictably spout standard ruscist propaganda all the time
[20:14]	XRevan86	Churov 146% conduced the refendum, surely it wouldn't be falsified.
[20:14]	XRevan86	"conduced the refendum" <- Heh. Conducted the referendum.
[20:15]	CrystalMath	MinceR: you talk about wanting to kill people in afghanistan... it's so sad for me to hear that from someone i consider a friend :(
[20:15]	CrystalMath	*considered
[20:17]	TR News	There is already IFF in India, but EFF could be called IFF, i for ignorant or worse. Because they pushed out their best people.
[20:18]	CrystalMath	i remember when people here were pro-Assange
[20:18]	CrystalMath	overwhelmingly
[20:18]	CrystalMath	and now it's "he took down Hillary so that Putin would win"
[20:18]	schestowitz[TR]	here?
[20:18]	CrystalMath	(DaemonFC's idea)
[20:18]	schestowitz[TR]	also, here or in general?
[20:18]	CrystalMath	on Techrights
[20:18]	CrystalMath	in general, they still are
[20:19]	CrystalMath	at least where i live, it's normal to be pro-Assange, but also pro-Putin
[20:19]	CrystalMath	most probably aren't for wars (my guess), and i'm against wars, but pro-Putin in the sense of the things he says about a multipolar world
[20:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[20:20]	CrystalMath	we need a multipolar world in which america can't just spread its evil with no contest or resistance
[20:20]	schestowitz[TR]	evil versus evil is still evil
[20:20]	schestowitz[TR]	and assange and putin are orthogonal
[20:20]	XRevan86	Russia is too rotten to be a polus in any multi-polar world.
[20:21]	XRevan86	Ironically, a pro-Putin position is against multi-polarity.
[20:21]	TR News	Xi Jinpings Radical Secrecy https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/08/china-xi-jinping-biography-opacity/671195/?utm_source=feed
[20:21]	TR Bot	 Xi Jinpings Radical Secrecy - The Atlantic
[20:21]	heureka	i wouldn't say America or USA, instead the Pentagon/Washington and related internationally organized-crime cartell
[20:21]	TR News	YouTube disrupted in Pakistan as former PM Khan streams speech - NetBlocks https://netblocks.org/reports/youtube-disrupted-in-pakistan-as-former-pm-khan-streams-speech-XADMq6Bg Source: Netblocks | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//netblocks.org/reports/youtube-disrupted-in-pakistan-as-former-pm-khan-streams-speech-XADMq6Bg
[20:21]	TR Bot	 YouTube disrupted in Pakistan as former PM Khan streams speech - NetBlocks
[20:21]	heureka	and their "five eyes" industrial espionage grid
[20:22]	TR News	How Slaughterhouse-Five Became a Repeated Target of Book Burners https://reason.com/2022/08/21/slaughterhouse-five/ Source: Reason | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//reason.com/2022/08/21/slaughterhouse-five/
[20:22]	TR Bot	 How 'Slaughterhouse-Five' Became a Repeated Target of Book Burners
[20:23]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: he basically gets support because he appears to be anti-american / anti-NATO
[20:23]	XRevan86	Prediction for the next 10-20 years: Russia will not be able to hold on to the territories Putin annexed.
[20:23]	TR News	How Stalin Toyed With Mikhail Bulgakov https://reason.com/2022/08/20/the-master-and-margarita/ Source: Reason | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//reason.com/2022/08/20/the-master-and-margarita/
[20:23]	TR Bot	 How Stalin Toyed With Mikhail Bulgakov
[20:23]	heureka	that's what i think is slightly confusing with Putin, his public speeches, and behind the scenes shaking hands of Rosneft/Gasprom and those industry CEOs in germany
[20:23]	XRevan86	It's not even a matter of whether Putin succeeds in this world.
[20:23]	XRevan86	* in this war
[20:23]	heureka	since in germany, the high ranking industry CEO, media and political positions are all hijacked and subverted by those atlantic bridge washington minions
[20:24]	heureka	and those are the ones Putin shakes hands with for energy and gas business
[20:24]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: you think crimea would secede, or that russia would get invaded?
[20:24]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: 1
[20:24]		*CrystalMath shrugs... they seemed pretty pro-russian patriotic to me
[20:24]	XRevan86	Maybe both.
[20:24]	TR News	South Carolina Targets Free Speech To Limit Abortion Access https://reason.com/2022/08/19/south-carolina-targets-free-speech-in-its-attempt-to-limit-abortion-access/ Source: Reason | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//reason.com/2022/08/19/south-carolina-targets-free-speech-in-its-attempt-to-limit-abortion-access/
[20:24]	TR Bot	 South Carolina Targets Free Speech To Limit Abortion Access
[20:25]	XRevan86	Russia is getting weaker and more freaky and controlling.
[20:25]	XRevan86	that can't end well
[20:25]	schestowitz[TR]	XRevan86: this also diescribes US
[20:25]	schestowitz[TR]	the world in general may be rotting
[20:25]	schestowitz[TR]	but the rot is relative
[20:25]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Very relative.
[20:26]	TR News	End Times in Aspen: How to Kill a Newspaper - The Atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/08/aspen-times-newspaper-vladislav-doronin-billionaire-lawsuit/671180/?utm_source=feed Source: The Atlantic | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/08/aspen-times-newspaper-vladislav-doronin-billionaire-lawsuit/671180/?utm_source=feed
[20:26]	TR Bot	 End Times in Aspen: How to Kill a Newspaper - The Atlantic
[20:28]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: i remember op-eds on CNN that admitted the people of crimea want to be a part of russia
[20:28]	CrystalMath	in 2014
[20:28]	TR News	Pro-China pundit's admission to owning a house in California sparks backlash Radio Free Asia https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/pundit-usa-house-08182022120956.html Source: Verfassungsblog | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.rfa.org/english/news/china/pundit-usa-house-08182022120956.html
[20:28]	TR Bot	 Pro-China pundit's admission to owning a house in California sparks backlash Radio Free Asia
[20:28]	heureka	that's why i fail to recognize any "pro-Putin" position, because the Rosneft/Gasprom business of his and his associates is just that, business and cash flow
[20:29]	TR News	Salman Rushdies Stabbing Should Remind Us That Free Speech Is a Nonnegotiable Progressive Value https://jacobin.com/2022/08/salman-rushdie-stabbing-free-speech-socialist-politics-progressive-value/ Source: Jacobin Magazine | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//jacobin.com/2022/08/salman-rushdie-stabbing-free-speech-socialist-politics-progressive-value/
[20:29]	TR Bot	 Salman Rushdies Stabbing Should Remind Us That Free Speech Is a Nonnegotiable Progressive Value
[20:29]	TR News	The Satanic Panic Is Back, and Its Bipartisan https://reason.com/2022/08/18/the-satanic-panic-is-back-and-its-bipartisan/ Source: Reason | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//reason.com/2022/08/18/the-satanic-panic-is-back-and-its-bipartisan/
[20:29]	TR Bot	 The Satanic Panic Is Back, and It's Bipartisan
[20:30]	heureka	recently, among "social democrats" in German, one or another "scandal" is boiled up again
[20:30]	heureka	such as Chancellor Scholz (Warburg Bank, atlantic bridge), at the same time close affiliate of Schroeder/Putin/Rosneft/Gasprom
[20:30]	TR News	Free Speech Bastion Substack Fires Editor for Editing a Blog Critical of Substack https://www.vice.com/en/article/5d3988/free-speech-bastion-substack-fires-editor-for-editing-a-blog-critical-of-substack Source: Wallanag | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.vice.com/en/article/5d3988/free-speech-bastion-substack-fires-editor-for-editing-a-blog-critical-of-substack
[20:30]	TR Bot	 Free Speech Bastion Substack Fires Editor for Editing a Blog Critical of Substack
[20:31]	heureka	this recent scandal ignited... over "cum-ex tax fraud", the biggest tax fraud in EU history...
[20:31]	heureka	that's the chancellor
[20:31]	TR News	"People have been trying to ban Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird since the 1960s. And since the 1960s, they have largely failed." https://reason.com/2022/08/18/to-kill-a-mockingbird/
[20:31]	TR Bot	 The Failed Campaign To Ban 'To Kill a Mockingbird'
[20:31]	heureka	although it was said the Russian-German relations cooled down due to this
[20:32]	heureka	that's the difficulty with "pro-Putin", he is/was closely entangled into this realm of german politics
[20:32]	TR News	The Stabbing of Salman Rushdie Renews Free Speech Debates - The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/15/arts/salman-rushdie-free-speech.html Source: New York Times | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.nytimes.com/2022/08/15/arts/salman-rushdie-free-speech.html
[20:32]	TR Bot	 The Stabbing of Salman Rushdie Renews Free Speech Debates - The New York Times
[20:32]	heureka	and the oil/gas business
[20:33]	CrystalMath	heureka: Putin may not be the hero we want, maybe he's not even the hero we need, but we have no one else standing up to NATO...
[20:33]	CrystalMath	without him, democracy in Syria would have been destroyed
[20:33]	CrystalMath	we know that for sure
[20:34]	schestowitz[TR]	democracy in Syria?
[20:34]	schestowitz[TR]	who is in charge in Syria?
[20:34]	schestowitz[TR]	how many years for?
[20:34]	heureka	anyway, this german politics (social democrats) Putin is entangled with, that's mostly the Atlantic Bridge Washingtom dominated corrupt cartell
[20:34]	schestowitz[TR]	Can you define democracy in Syria?
[20:34]	CrystalMath	Bashar-el-Assad, the representative of the people
[20:34]	schestowitz[TR]	lol
[20:34]	CrystalMath	america was trying to take him out
[20:35]	schestowitz[TR]	like putin
[20:35]	schestowitz[TR]	representative of the people
[20:35]	schestowitz[TR]	what people?
[20:35]	schestowitz[TR]	the crooks
[20:35]	XRevan86	"but we have no one else standing up to NATO" <- Would be a shame if Finland and Sweden were to join NATO with no opposition from Putin.
[20:35]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: no, it would just be honest of them
[20:36]	XRevan86	de-Finlandisation of Finland
[20:36]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: sweden already did that long ago
[20:36]	CrystalMath	they invented a new finland
[20:36]	heureka	anyway, this german government, whom Putin is/was befriended with, i am not at least worth some office space to work, in _my_ homeland
[20:37]	heureka	although, i am not pointing fingers at Putin, it's the criminals in germany who Putin is/was befriended with
[20:37]	heureka	and i am not thinking of former Chancellor Schroeder either in this case
[20:38]	XRevan86	"although, i am not pointing fingers at Putin, it's the criminals in germany who Putin is/was befriended with" <- That's his modus operandi.
[20:38]	CrystalMath	heureka: Putin has shown that he's willing to work with some rather nasty people at times
[20:38]	XRevan86	So point fingers away.
[20:38]	heureka	"social democrats" wanted to expell former Chancellor Schroeder from "social democrats" recently, former Chancellor Schroeder hasn't got an office anymore either in Germany
[20:39]	heureka	CrystalMath: i don't thin Chancellor Schroeder is the problem, it's the political parties in Germany: "social democrats", "greens" etc.
[20:39]	CrystalMath	heureka: yeah, the greens are the ones pushing the most of the anti-freedom agenda
[20:39]		*DaemonFC (~daemonfc@mvbitbkzkjyau.irc) has joined #techrights
[20:39]	CrystalMath	in the name of climate change
[20:39]	heureka	and it's no coincidence either, AfD seeked closer relations with Russia, simply because all other political parties here are just insane
[20:40]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], GULAG Tube canceled the Cook County Judge's Office channel.
[20:40]	DaemonFC	https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/youtube-account-of-the-cook-county-judges-office-disabled
[20:40]	TR Bot	 YouTube account of the Cook County Judge's office disabled
[20:40]	CrystalMath	heureka: btw, tell me, is it true what they say here about germany, that your government is telling people to shower less because of the climate?
[20:40]	DaemonFC	"COOK COUNTY, Ill. - The YouTube account of the Cook County Judge's Office was disabled Friday.
[20:40]	DaemonFC	The account is used to provide public access to court proceedings.
[20:40]	DaemonFC	The office was notified by Google that it was disabled due to unspecified violations of unspecified YouTube Community Guidelines.
[20:40]	DaemonFC	According to the Office of the Chief Judge, it is not aware of any instance that would have led to the account being disabled."
[20:40]	schestowitz[TR]	they should not outsource in the first place
[20:40]	schestowitz[TR]	certainly not to gulag
[20:40]	DaemonFC	"However, the office did note that court proceedings are sometimes graphic in nature and may not be suitable for all audiences. 
[20:40]	DaemonFC	The office has filed an appeal with YouTube."
[20:40]	heureka	CrystalMath: that's all propaganda rubbish
[20:41]	CrystalMath	heureka: okay, so they're not doing that
[20:41]	CrystalMath	it was said by some people in serbian talk shows
[20:41]	heureka	the contracts germany industry and russia have have fixed prices, meaning even if consumption is lowered, then cashflow into Russia remains
[20:41]	CrystalMath	heureka: yes but did some idiots say it anyway?
[20:41]	CrystalMath	i mean of course it won't work
[20:41]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], I have no idea why my mom has to be so horrible.
[20:41]	heureka	and as far as "climate" was concerned i had many other ideas, for germany
[20:42]	DaemonFC	I told her almost 800 Starbucks stores are now unionized.
[20:42]	heureka	CrystalMath: i couldn't afford a daily shower anymore even if i wanted to
[20:42]	DaemonFC	And she laughed while mentioning at least one store closed and moved a block down and said they were all fired.
[20:42]	heureka	nor could i affor a car, office space to work, or at least to go on holidays after 20 years
[20:42]	heureka	however, i don't think it is Putin/Russia at fault
[20:42]	DaemonFC	I said, "So, you're laughing that a bunch of low wage workers got screwed by a multibillion dollar company that makes $8 coffees and openly breaks the law?".
[20:45]	DaemonFC	I hate Starbucks.
[20:45]	DaemonFC	If you want shitty fast food coffee, go to McDonalds. At least it's only like $3 there.
[20:45]	DaemonFC	But I mean, it's not like coffee is hard.
[20:46]	DaemonFC	We used to just set the coffee maker to let 'er rip 20 minutes before we had to leave the house and grab a to-go mug on the way to work and it cost 20 cents.
[20:46]	DaemonFC	What the hell is wrong with people today?
[20:47]	DaemonFC	I'm not saying the union will work out well for Starbucks workers. In fact, I think it won't. But the law says they have the right to do that, and Starbucks is breaking the law.
[20:47]	DaemonFC	So something ought to happen to Starbucks.
[20:48]	DaemonFC	And I don't even understand why they're afraid of the union. It's the workers who will realize they made an error.
[20:48]	DaemonFC	The company has the majority of the bargaining power either way and so I mean, the people who pay for the union are the employees. It comes out of their checks.
[20:48]	phanes	im okay with starbucks going away forever.  i have my own espresso machine. :/
[20:49]	DaemonFC	Chances are they get what they get now or maybe just slightly more but it's in a contract instead of just corporate policy.
[20:49]	phanes	in fact owning an espresso machine in a starbucksless world merely adds to my BDE
[20:51]	DaemonFC	People think I'm some sort of a Republican extremist or something and they have me totally wrong. You know, Libertarianism supports freedom of association. Isn't that what a union should be? I'm not in favor of this anti-Right To Work law in Illinois.
[20:51]	MinceR	21 211807 < CrystalMath> i remember when people here were pro-Assange
[20:51]	TR News	Adding Git listing of TuxMachines to its Gemini capsule. This might take a few hours...
[20:51]	DaemonFC	It's already the second worst business climate in America.
[20:51]	MinceR	right, the correct course would have been becoming putler supporters to follow him.
[20:51]	DaemonFC	And what workers don't seem to get is when you make a hostile business climate, it hurts you too.
[20:51]	MinceR	21 212013 < CrystalMath> we need a multipolar world in which america can't just spread its evil with no contest or resistance
[20:51]	MinceR	your wish is granted.
[20:52]	DaemonFC	When there's higher unemployment in your state, the employers have more people who need a job and will work for anything.
[20:52]	DaemonFC	People become more desperate. Crime goes up.
[20:52]	MinceR	"nothing's changed." "correct."
[20:52]	DaemonFC	The state encourages criminal activity with high unemployment and high taxes.
[20:52]	DaemonFC	Nobody wants to pay $15 a pack for cigarettes in Chicago, so they just use illegal arbitrage.
[20:53]	DaemonFC	They buy them a few miles away and come sell them for $11 a pack and they still make a $5 a pack profit (less the cost of going to get them).
[20:54]	DaemonFC	There's the chance the cops bust them for a misdemeanor, but chances are they couldn't get a job anyway because the business climate is bad.
[20:54]	CrystalMath	MinceR: how is being pro-Assange automatically pro-Putin?
[20:54]	MinceR	ask yourself
[20:54]	CrystalMath	i mean i said it coincides here, but that's here, we are anti-western in general
[20:54]	MinceR	it was your "point"
[20:54]	MinceR	how many of you are anti-western?
[20:54]	CrystalMath	being pro-Assange necessarily means being anti-NATO
[20:54]	CrystalMath	MinceR: our president said 85%
[20:54]	DaemonFC	They're not wiping out smoking in Cook County. They're wiping out the tax revenue that would pay for the increased health expenditures.
[20:54]	MinceR	so, 85% of CrystalMath is anti-western
[20:54]	DaemonFC	And giving Indiana a tax surplus.
[20:55]	MinceR	that's not even a whole person.
[20:55]	DaemonFC	They get tax money for smokers who don't even live in Indiana or cost them anything.
[20:55]	CrystalMath	MinceR: that would also mean there is a president of CrystalMath :P
[20:55]	DaemonFC	Anti-smoking campaigns are kind of dumb at a certain point.
[20:55]	CrystalMath	of course i meant serbia
[20:55]	MinceR	if CrystalMath wants to have a president, sure
[20:55]	phanes	we need more american exceptionalism in the world not less
[20:55]	MinceR	is serbia in this channel?
[20:55]	DaemonFC	You can educate people about the risks. You can tax them to a certain extent to cover their cost to the system.
[20:56]	CrystalMath	MinceR: it's a different meaning of "here"
[20:56]	DaemonFC	You can't force them to stop. They'll figure out a way around your taxes before they'll stop.
[20:56]	CrystalMath	MinceR: i used the word "here" twice in a row but meaning completely different things, i guess
[20:56]	MinceR	we don't need exceptionalism, we need humanity to actually live up to the ideals it keeps spouting are characteristic of it
[20:56]	MinceR	less "we are so intelligent", more actually being intelligent
[20:56]	phanes	MinceR, can't do that without a unified government that sucks a whole lot before it doesn't
[20:56]	MinceR	less "we are so civilized", more actually being civilized
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[20:56]	CrystalMath	phanes: i absolutely completely disagree
[20:57]	DaemonFC	MinceR, "Civilization" is just a giant smog filled cesspit filled with people shitting on the open sidewalk.
[20:57]	CrystalMath	anyway, how's it going?
[20:57]	DaemonFC	Ask Matthew J GULAG.
[20:57]	MinceR	less "this state is so perfect and so free", more actually being free (individuals -- it's not applicable to anything else)
[20:57]	MinceR	DaemonFC: lol
[20:57]	MinceR	we don't need nationalism, we need humanism
[20:57]	phanes	you'll never merge the wills of the kalaidoscope of wills of the countries of the world, and trying to will only create atrocity.  there would need to be  hierarchal government system in place that constrains every would-be dictator  
[20:57]	MinceR	and we need a human species actually worthy of humanism
[20:58]	phanes	CrystalMath, its going, too much work and not enough play time these days
[20:58]	MinceR	countries don't have wills
[20:58]	MinceR	people have wills
[20:58]	DaemonFC	And you know what I say to people shitting on the sidewalk in front of Mr. GAFAM's $800,000 cracker box?
[20:58]	MinceR	dictators have wills
[20:58]	DaemonFC	"Happy shitting!"
[20:58]	MinceR	and the dictators' wills need to be extinguished.
[20:58]	CrystalMath	phanes: that doesn't sound like a world government...
[20:58]	MinceR	and no, there's no need for hierarchies, there's only need for civilization
[20:58]	phanes	civilization is designed and is a direct result of power structures
[20:59]	DaemonFC	MinceR, You pay $4,000 a month in San Francisco and you get to share a sleeping room with 3 other people and a bathroom as well.
[20:59]	DaemonFC	People you don't even know.
[20:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.56 k/sec., IPFS upstream 104.80 average k/sec., average swarm size 105.63
[20:59]	CrystalMath	phanes: i think people should have alternative civilizations, generally i want more decentralization
[20:59]	CrystalMath	more cultures should have zero contact with others
[20:59]	phanes	in all of human history every civilization has been an artifact of their power structures
[20:59]	DaemonFC	I'm not spending $50,000 a year to get conditions that compare with a halfway house or an army barracks.
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[21:00]	MinceR	no, power structures result only in the absence of civilization
[21:00]	phanes	thats absurd
[21:00]	MinceR	the only things that can lead to civilization are voluntary cooperation and respect for each other's freedom
[21:01]	phanes	you think there would've been a hitler if he had a board he reported to that controlled the armies of the world
[21:01]	MinceR	funny how CrystalMath is dreaming about alternative civilizations when our species can't even implement one of them
[21:01]	DaemonFC	MinceR, You mean the government running off with my money to pay for someone to get a degree an transgender studies.
[21:01]	MinceR	i think as long as humans keep falling for the lies of sociopaths, the likes of hitler will persist
[21:01]	phanes	in order to bring out the best of humanity, systematically that is, you need to account and structure for, the worst of humanity
[21:02]	DaemonFC	I volunteered to cooperate with debt cancellation when I signed the social contract.
[21:02]	MinceR	if i account for the worst of humanity, the only thing i see is certain extinction
[21:02]	MinceR	i doubt humanity will be able to overcome its own demons, ever
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[21:02]	DaemonFC	MinceR, It's a major event.
[21:02]	DaemonFC	On the month of your 18th birthday when reaching adulthood, they give you a neat pen.
[21:03]	DaemonFC	And you go to a convention center nearby and sign the Social Contract.
[21:03]	DaemonFC	And you get to keep the pen for good luck.
[21:03]	MinceR	DaemonFC: i haven't even seen the "social contract"
[21:03]	MinceR	and it's a hoax anyway
[21:03]	CrystalMath	phanes: since there is no right way to live, we must have a diversity of belief systems
[21:03]	MinceR	the greatest hoax ever
[21:03]	schestowitz[TR]	antisocial contact
[21:03]	CrystalMath	no system should prevail over others by force
[21:03]	DaemonFC	MinceR, That's because they make you drink something that makes you forget what you signed so they can change the Social Contract whenever they want to.
[21:03]	DaemonFC	And you don't even have to go sign another one.
[21:03]	MinceR	and CrystalMath will decide which tens of millions are sacrificed so that certain people can have their preferred way of life
[21:03]	DaemonFC	Isn't that nice?
[21:04]	phanes	you cannot have civilization without some degree of force
[21:04]	MinceR	sure you can
[21:04]	MinceR	you just need people that are capable of civilization
[21:04]	DaemonFC	The government is responsible for a lot of what liberals call "gun crime".
[21:04]	CrystalMath	phanes: we should not have just one civilization
[21:04]	CrystalMath	phanes: but many
[21:04]	DaemonFC	By making life so intolerable that people go insane and start shooting.
[21:05]	phanes	then what you are describing is the wonton murder of undesirables and non-conformists and that makes your position objectively evil
[21:05]	DaemonFC	Then the liberal solution is to just take the guns away.
[21:05]	phanes	MinceR, 
[21:05]	MinceR	does "gun crime" include the crimes the government commits against the people outside the government, using guns?
[21:05]	MinceR	no, that is not what i am describing
[21:05]	DaemonFC	MinceR, No, that's all justifiable if they even investigate it at all.
[21:05]	CrystalMath	what MinceR is saying about me is obviously false
[21:05]	MinceR	and no, the opposite of global totalitarianism is not "objectively evil"
[21:05]	MinceR	DaemonFC: everything can be justified in words
[21:06]	MinceR	CrystalMath has given us great examples of it
[21:06]	phanes	civilization requires leadership
[21:06]	phanes	and force
[21:06]	MinceR	no, it doesn't
[21:06]	DaemonFC	MinceR, The people who are in government from the elections with only one candidate wrote those laws!
[21:06]	DaemonFC	They're totally legitimate laws.
[21:06]	MinceR	people suffering from the authoritarian personality type require leadership and force
[21:06]	DaemonFC	You take that back!
[21:06]	MinceR	masochists require force
[21:06]	MinceR	civilized people do not
[21:06]	phanes	anarcho capitalism will never form because of the inescapable flaws of the human heart
[21:07]	heureka	currently, german government tries to shift blame onto Putin/Russia, for the excess price inflation for Oil/Gas/Food
[21:07]	heureka	propaganda rubbish
[21:07]	MinceR	the people i know going around telling everyone they're "anarcho-capitalist" are neither anarchists nor capitalists, they're ruscists
[21:07]	MinceR	and yes, my point is that the flaws of the human mind make civilization and survival unattainable
[21:07]	DaemonFC	The inflation is from corrupt Western governments dumping a total of $10 trillion or so in excess spending after the bullshit COVID lockdowns.
[21:08]	MinceR	and humanity had better get its shit together and fix itself real quick if it wants a shot at survival
[21:08]	DaemonFC	And now they're on about Monkeypox, which is an STD that spreads through SEMEN.
[21:08]	MinceR	DaemonFC: you can't spell "advertisements" without semen between the tits!
[21:08]	heureka	truth is, EU established some "trading hub" for Oil/Gas, this is where prices explode; instead the contracts of german industry with russia are long-term contracts with stable prices
[21:08]	DaemonFC	The WHO even admits it, though the US CDC says "skin to skin" because they don't want to piss off gays in an election year.
[21:08]	phanes	civilization also requires justice, which requires a degree of force to even implement
[21:09]	DaemonFC	The Democrats are not expected to do well and the last thing they want to admit is there's another gay disease and this one makes your flesh rot.
[21:09]	CrystalMath	phanes: there just isn't a right way to live though, there is no absolute truth that we know of, and no absolute good
[21:09]	MinceR	that force can be distributed
[21:09]	Helenah	CrystalMath: o.o
[21:09]	CrystalMath	phanes: that's why i still hope america is stopped
[21:09]		*Helenah gives CrystalMath a hamper of chocolates
[21:09]		*Helenah gives MinceR a hamper of chocolates
[21:09]		*Helenah gives DaemonFC a hamper of chocolates
[21:09]		*Helenah gives phanes a hamper of chocolates
[21:09]	CrystalMath	hi Helenah, thanks :)
[21:09]		*Helenah gives heureka a hamper of chocolates
[21:09]	MinceR	chocolates are nice, but they don't fix humanity
[21:09]	phanes	CrystalMath, the summum bonum?  sure, there's no consensus but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist
[21:09]	Helenah	True, MinceR :3
[21:10]	phanes	some would argue the categorical imperative is close to absolute good
[21:11]	CrystalMath	phanes: i strongly believe humans are ignorant of what the true way is, that's why we need to have different alternative civilizations, preferably ones that are isolationists
[21:11]	MinceR	baby steps
[21:11]	phanes	its like clocks and time.  sure, clocks dont measure time; the only measure of a clock is the subjective measurement of another clock.  that doesn't mean time doesn't exist.  even if it didn't, it is something we are bound to by the nature of what we are -- so, even if time did not exist we would still use it.
[21:11]	MinceR	let's build one civilization
[21:11]	CrystalMath	MinceR: it's pointless to chase after something that does not exist
[21:11]	CrystalMath	there is no true meaning to life
[21:12]	MinceR	the meaning is whatever one chooses
[21:12]	CrystalMath	phanes: time is actually relative to the observer
[21:12]	CrystalMath	phanes: much like "good"
[21:12]	phanes	i think its also important to bear in mind as well that there is a strong difference between fitness and accuracy
[21:12]	phanes	we chase accuracy but we evolved to make decisions based on fitness reward
[21:13]	MinceR	we evolved to die out
[21:13]	phanes	in fact the more accurately perceptions reflect reality the less survivability the perceiving species has
[21:14]	phanes	so sure, an anarchist society may even be closer to our freedom ideals with ideal humans
[21:14]	phanes	but it wouldn't be nearly fit enough to survive
[21:14]	phanes	we dont need more accuracy
[21:14]	phanes	we need to survive
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[21:15]	phanes	and then work in as much accuracy as survival will allow
[21:15]	phanes	it would take an incredibly strong and fit species to survive absolute truth
[21:15]	MinceR	if we don't develop into ideal humans, we're goners regardless
[21:16]	MinceR	also, if our society is not anarchist, that means that while we're on the way to painful extinction, some authoritarian idiots are going to keep trying to run my life for me
[21:16]	MinceR	thanks, but i'll pass
[21:16]	phanes	MinceR, not at all.  That's what's so awesome about humans.  They -don't- need to be ideal, they need to be -fit-.
[21:16]	MinceR	sadly, they aren't
[21:16]	phanes	not at the moment no
[21:16]	phanes	the west is fat and lazy and self-eating
[21:16]	MinceR	after several years of warnings that what we're doing will doom us, there's practically no change for the better
[21:17]	MinceR	after millennia of suffering due to authoritarianism and sociopaths, most of us still cling to authoritarianism and being ruled by sociopaths
[21:17]	phanes	in all fairness, illusions of doom have been mercilessly used to justify the enrichment and rise to power of many people
[21:17]	MinceR	21 221645 < phanes> the west is fat and lazy and self-eating
[21:17]	phanes	our culture is stained with lies
[21:17]	DaemonFC	No, because you're giving warnings to the people who manage to drive their SUV over a set of concrete blocks that don't even align with the train intersection.
[21:17]	MinceR	and the east is mostly just a bunch of authoritarian shitholes that treat most people like slaves
[21:17]	CrystalMath	phanes: yes but that's why i want there to be different alternative civilizations pursuing very different ideals, and, preferably, being as independent as possible
[21:18]	phanes	CrystalMath, that's fine as long as those civilizations can be completely isolated from one another for perpetuity otherwise they will compete for dominance (or lose to others that do)
[21:18]	CrystalMath	phanes: well, a balance of power can keep a stalemate
[21:18]	MinceR	just terraform a bunch of planets
[21:18]	MinceR	oh wait
[21:19]	phanes	CrystalMath, yes a vertical power structure of unified civilizations 
[21:19]	CrystalMath	well that's not really the same time
[21:19]	phanes	a single currency, a single army force, a single nation
[21:19]	CrystalMath	err, the same thing
[21:19]	CrystalMath	why is time on my mind
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[21:20]	CrystalMath	phanes: i don't think that would be good
[21:20]	CrystalMath	i would like there to be a multipolar world
[21:20]	phanes	CrystalMath, well it would certainly make americans less wealthy
[21:20]	CrystalMath	with several different currencies
[21:20]	CrystalMath	none of which can defeat the others
[21:20]	phanes	our way of live depends on the exploitation of weaker countries in every way
[21:20]	CrystalMath	it's actually better for there to be more than 2 such powers
[21:21]	CrystalMath	because if you have a 3-way multipolar world, you can have 2 stop the 1 that's trying to take more power
[21:21]	phanes	if you have 2 they will destroy the earth
[21:21]	phanes	if you have 3 there may be a careful balance until one falls into obscurity
[21:21]	phanes	ultimately there can be only one or none 
[21:21]	CrystalMath	oh well, what's wrong with the world being destroyed anyway
[21:21]	MinceR	we already have 2
[21:22]	MinceR	the "let's pretend we're running a functioning democracy" pole and the "let's maximize totalitarian oppression" pole
[21:22]	MinceR	what would the 3rd one be?
[21:23]	CrystalMath	anyway, what matters is that the taliban are finally free to live the way they want to
[21:23]	CrystalMath	long live the taliban!
[21:24]	MinceR	finally, another small group gets what they want at the expense of tens of millions
[21:24]	MinceR	CrystalMath got his way yet again
[21:25]	phanes	lets say humans become space-faring
[21:25]	MinceR	that's already a stretch
[21:26]	phanes	does anyone seriously believe the zero-tolerance of failure required to survive in a space colony, just due to environment where one person making a single mistake kills an entire colony, can be achieved with anything happening right now
[21:26]	CrystalMath	then it would be easy, there would be a taliban planet and a very powerful defense grid around it, protecting their way of life... but in which direction would they pray? since it needs to be towards Mecca...
[21:26]	phanes	someone will say "i dont have to do that, im free" and then not maintain the airlock and then you've got millions dead
[21:27]	CrystalMath	phanes: obviously one is still free if they can leave their job of maintaining the airlock
[21:27]	phanes	a corporation who supplies oxygen supply could deem the colony "default of credit" and stop sending air
[21:27]	MinceR	phanes: i don't believe it can be achieved with human sloppiness and evil
[21:27]	phanes	absolutely nothing we are doing right now in governance would survive in space
[21:28]	MinceR	CrystalMath: who would develop that "very powerful defense grid"? where is it written in the qur'an how to build a space defense gun, for example?
[21:28]	phanes	and i post this:  many, many years from now the humans will have to go to space to continue the species.  if we do not solve the governance problem that will be a short-lived endeadvour for those very reasons
[21:28]	phanes	*posit
[21:29]	phanes	so if youre going to plan for the inevitable future, plan around that
[21:29]	MinceR	humans are doomed as long as they require governance
[21:29]	phanes	sure it'll long after we're dead, but its a fixed point in our future
[21:30]	phanes	*it'll be
[21:30]	phanes	technology can't solve that
[21:30]	phanes	there will always be governance as long as there is genetic diversity
[21:31]	phanes	and cultural diversity*
[21:31]	phanes	and income disparity*
[21:31]	phanes	even then we probably would still need it
[21:32]	MinceR	then humanity is doomed
[21:32]	phanes	but that's not the clincher.  what you're suggesting is that it's a decision people make -- it's not, MinceR.  Humans naturally and instinctually form decision authority power models at all levels in a vacuum.
[21:32]	MinceR	and, unless it can quickly evolve intelligent and civilized life in less than a billion years, so's the rest of life on Earth
[21:32]	MinceR	no, it's probably not a decision
[21:32]	phanes	They want to hate their governance but they also desperately crave it
[21:33]	MinceR	it's just human nature
[21:33]	MinceR	the extreme vulnerability to sociopaths
[21:33]	MinceR	the extreme vulnerability to memetic pathogens
[21:33]	MinceR	probably also a lack of solidarity
[21:34]	phanes	in any case there's nothing to fight over between nations anymore if they're all the same nation
[21:34]	phanes	all the same currency
[21:34]	MinceR	humans will find a way to divide themselves
[21:35]	MinceR	when christianity became dominant enough in europe, they found elements of dogma to bicker over and to torture and kill people for
[21:35]	MinceR	wanting to kill other people over skin color or gender are also obvious human things to do
[21:36]	phanes	which is why
[21:36]	phanes	we need
[21:36]	phanes	governance
[21:37]	MinceR	and i've mentioned why governance won't help
[21:37]	MinceR	at least if it's made of humans
[21:37]	phanes	morality street cred doesn't go as far when you have a justice system
[21:37]	MinceR	justice systems don't work either
[21:37]	CrystalMath	MinceR: i would, obviously :P
[21:37]	CrystalMath	MinceR: referring to what you wrote way above
[21:37]	MinceR	in hungary, it increasingly does what the state party wants
[21:37]	phanes	and it would need to be grotesquely hard to stay in power within it
[21:38]	MinceR	the ECHR just ignores human rights and favors complaining cultists
[21:38]	MinceR	in the USA, it took 4 years to compromise the topmost level of the justice system
[21:38]	CrystalMath	phanes: humans are not all the same
[21:38]	CrystalMath	i personally believe we are all different
[21:38]	CrystalMath	and we might as well be aliens to each other
[21:38]	phanes	the us justice system is not "compromised" it just isn't subscribing to your personal ethical ideals
[21:38]	MinceR	CrystalMath: would the taliban kill you for using heretical beliefs to build it, though?
[21:39]	MinceR	it isn't subscribing to its own alleged ideals
[21:39]	CrystalMath	phanes: honestly the current SCOTUS is probably the best justice system i've ever seen
[21:39]	MinceR	lol
[21:40]	CrystalMath	not that it should rule the world, but it is an inspiration
[21:40]	phanes	CrystalMath, agreed, they're actually reading what's on the books finally
[21:40]	MinceR	all the current SCOTUS does is package fascist ideals in legal language
[21:40]	MinceR	they may have been partisan before, but that just serves to prove my point
[21:40]	CrystalMath	MinceR: no, in fact they are very strongly resisting the urge to rule through mental gymnastics
[21:40]	MinceR	lol
[21:40]	MinceR	are they, now?
[21:40]	CrystalMath	they are strongly holding onto the division of powers within a government
[21:40]	MinceR	have you read any of the bullshit they published?
[21:40]	CrystalMath	i've read their opinions of the court
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[21:41]	phanes	CrystalMath, re: abortion, it will inevitably result in a formal amendment written in law instead of a weak patchwork of case dubious case rulings
[21:41]	CrystalMath	phanes: yeah, probably
[21:41]	MinceR	will it really?
[21:41]	MinceR	they had several cycles to do that, and it never materialized
[21:41]	CrystalMath	MinceR: it has to be supported by the will of the people
[21:41]	phanes	MinceR, sounds like youre mad at your legislators then and not the scotus
[21:41]	CrystalMath	for that to happen
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[21:42]	MinceR	i'm mad at many people, phanes
[21:42]	phanes	lol
[21:42]	CrystalMath	see, while SCOTUS has the power to use mental gymnastics to force everybody into something, the legislators can't as they are actually elected
[21:42]	CrystalMath	and they are booted if not re-elected
[21:43]	CrystalMath	a SCOTUS judge is for life
[21:43]	MinceR	i think this much advertised and adulated thing known as "human society" is a massive fractal of failures
[21:43]	MinceR	smaller failures inside larger failures
[21:43]	CrystalMath	so, if the US legislature wants to legalize abortion in all states, there has to be enough support for that
[21:43]	MinceR	a grand edifice describing human stupidity and evil in every detail
[21:43]	CrystalMath	the default position *should* be leaving it to the states, because decentralization is just more fair in general
[21:44]	phanes	there needs to be a bodily autonomy ammendment to the bill of rights
[21:44]	CrystalMath	the US states would be better off with a weaker federal government
[21:44]	phanes	and that could never have happened with roe v wade being the only leg for the practice itself to stand on
[21:44]	MinceR	currently in a time when humans can afford none of that crap
[21:44]	CrystalMath	phanes: what's wrong with leaving it to the states?
[21:45]	MinceR	"leaving it to the states" is just an excuse to oppress people harder where the fascists have greater control over the state
[21:45]	CrystalMath	i mean, yeah christianity is on the fall in general, i do expect there to be an abortion bill one day
[21:45]	phanes	CrystalMath, well, there's a strong argument that it should be a reserved right like speech, press, search and seizure, self-incrimination etc
[21:45]	MinceR	and every time they try to phrase things in such seemingly less loaded terms, it's always an excuse for something
[21:45]	CrystalMath	phanes: but right now there are still many christians in the south that think it's murder
[21:45]	MinceR	successful politicians are all sociopaths and they never ever tell the truth
[21:45]	MinceR	telling the truth is political suicide
[21:46]	MinceR	those christians do not think
[21:46]	MinceR	they read a childish book full of bullshit and believe it to be profound truth
[21:46]	phanes	CrystalMath, in some cases it ought to be, but perhaps not the cases they think it should be.  we should never legislate christian dogma.
[21:46]	MinceR	if they can read, that is
[21:47]	DaemonFC	https://www.marketwatch.com/story/new-relic-commits-to-restructuring-plan-including-layoffs-271660823014
[21:47]	TR Bot	Relic Commits to Restructuring Plan, Including Layoffs - MarketWatch
[21:47]	phanes	MinceR, easy there, the abrahamic religious texts are full of wise things, even if you don't subscribe to their religion (and even if most fundies have never read it)
[21:47]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Another Web tracking firm just got rid of 110 employees.
[21:47]	schestowitz[TR]	good
[21:47]	schestowitz[TR]	what hicks said
[21:47]	CrystalMath	either way, handing this case back to the legislature makes sure that it's the people who decide, at least
[21:48]	phanes	yep
[21:48]	CrystalMath	though i still believe that what people "should" or "should not" do highly depends on the location
[21:48]	CrystalMath	there is no universal "should" or "should not"
[21:48]	MinceR	phanes: they're also full of sentences that directly contradict those alleged "wise" things
[21:49]	MinceR	and also full of just childish stupidity
[21:49]	CrystalMath	hence why i respect the taliban, they do a lot of things we think the should not, but i respect their difference
[21:49]	phanes	what i would like to not see though is have this stay a state-level thing forever, as that creates backwoods alabama shitholes feeling empowered to force atrocity -- it needs to be reserved at a higher level with some controls around it
[21:49]	DaemonFC	https://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-contract-workers-accenture-austin-lost-jobs-2022-8
[21:49]	TR Bot	 Facebook Contract Workers Through Accenture Let Go From Work
[21:49]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], ^
[21:49]	DaemonFC	"Facebook contractors learned they lost work with the company through a video call with anonymous representatives who said an 'algorithm' chose random people to cut, workers say"
[21:49]	MinceR	like using one's unlimited power to curse a fig tree for not being in fruiting season
[21:49]	MinceR	that's just embarrassing
[21:49]	CrystalMath	phanes: i would like the see the federal government disappear
[21:49]	CrystalMath	and the entire world being fractured into tiny tiny communities
[21:49]	CrystalMath	all different
[21:49]	MinceR	tiny tiny totalitarian dictatorships
[21:50]	MinceR	one for every single crazy, sick person and their personal victims
[21:50]	MinceR	one for putler, one for xi jinping, one for orban, one for erdogan, one for gAIDS...
[21:50]	CrystalMath	MinceR: well idk, if you believe they would all be dictatorships, then you have no faith in the people around you either...
[21:50]	phanes	CrystalMath, all that will do is create power vaccuums that will be immediately filled by foreign powers, so, learn russian and chinese if that ever happens, and start with the phrase "please avoid my face, I need it for my job"
[21:50]	MinceR	CrystalMath: there are enough sociopaths to oppress everybody on this planet
[21:50]	MinceR	this should be obvious
[21:51]	CrystalMath	phanes: i may move to russia anyway, they're not that scary
[21:51]	MinceR	phanes: all that would achieve is that if you listened real closely, you could learn the phrase "fuck your face, i don't give a shit about your job or your face" in russian or in mandarin
[21:51]	phanes	CrystalMath, then you haven't seen the ugliness of russia yet
[21:52]	CrystalMath	truth be told, i don't know that much about it
[21:52]	phanes	the us has ugly too
[21:52]	MinceR	moving to russia will be a great opportunity to learn about the ugliness of russia
[21:52]	DaemonFC	https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/08/19/crypto-lender-hodlnaut-faces-singapore-police-actions-and-staggering-job-cuts/
[21:52]	TR Bot	 Crypto Lender Hodlnaut Faces Singapore Police Actions and Job Cuts
[21:52]	phanes	but our ugly is far less scary than their ugly
[21:52]	MinceR	"camping opportunity?"
[21:52]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Just don't write a donos on me, O.K.?
[21:52]	DaemonFC	"Singaporean crypto lender Hodlnaut disclosed massive layoffs and pending police proceedings in a Friday blog post that underscored the dire financial and legal straits faced by the latest firm to freeze crypto withdrawals.
[21:52]	DaemonFC	Hodlnaut said in the blog that it fired 40 people, which was 80% of its staff, and slashed interest rates to a 0% annual percentage rate in an attempt to stabilize our liquidity and cut costs. Its founders are working hard on a recovery plan and remain in Singapore."
[21:52]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: a what?
[21:53]	XRevan86	https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/#Russian
[21:53]	TR Bot	 - Wiktionary
[21:53]	CrystalMath	ah
[21:55]	CrystalMath	MinceR: but in russia i could have gas-powered cars with no electronics in them
[21:55]	MinceR	you could have that in many places
[21:55]	MinceR	just not sold as a new car
[21:55]	CrystalMath	and so many beautiful analog devices
[21:55]	phanes	https://thediplomat.com/2022/08/china-moves-to-fill-the-void-left-by-russia-sanctions-on-its-own-terms/
[21:55]	TR Bot	 China Moves to Fill The Void Left By Russia Sanctions On Its Own Terms The Diplomat
[21:56]	MinceR	the USA has the 25-year rule, for example
[21:56]	MinceR	it's more difficult around here, as the cars built under russian rule are so crap they couldn't last this long
[21:57]	XRevan86	MinceR: They can.
[21:57]	CrystalMath	MinceR: there are actually some great Trabants in Hungary
[21:57]	XRevan86	And they do.
[21:57]	MinceR	there's at least 1 trabant in the usa, too
[21:58]	XRevan86	Maybe too much.
[21:58]	MinceR	iirc Aging Wheels had a video of it
[21:58]	CrystalMath	MinceR: yeah i saw it on youtube, it's great
[21:58]	MinceR	Doug DeMuro had a video about a Yugo
[21:58]	CrystalMath	such a beautiful car, and it's the closest thing the world has had to an open source car
[21:58]	MinceR	lol
[21:58]	MinceR	try using it for a while, then
[21:58]	MinceR	iirc its engine is so laughably weak it had trouble going up the incline on M7 at Erd
[21:58]	CrystalMath	i think i've seen one as a kid, but i don't remember ever being in it
[21:59]	MinceR	i've been in one
[21:59]	MinceR	it's cramped and low quality
[21:59]	MinceR	and in general eastern bloc cars tended to be so poorly made people would take them to the worshop right after getting one, to have it taken apart and put together properly
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[22:00]	CrystalMath	when i saw a youtube video describing it, i thought.... "this is the BSD of cars"
[22:00]	MinceR	it isn't
[22:00]	MinceR	unix workstations tended to be powerful
[22:00]	CrystalMath	some people have actually rebuilt its engine from scratch
[22:00]	MinceR	eastern bloc cars never were
[22:01]	MinceR	you'd better, as they don't last :>
[22:01]	CrystalMath	well you need to take care of it, it's not just something you buy and forget
[22:01]	CrystalMath	also you have to premix oil
[22:01]	MinceR	yeah, and then you create blue smoke
[22:02]	MinceR	because it's an idiotic, primitive design that burns oil by design
[22:02]	CrystalMath	the oil is used to lubricate the engine
[22:02]	MinceR	same in 4-stroke engines
[22:02]	MinceR	yet those don't burn so much oil
[22:02]	CrystalMath	yes but 2-stroke is simpler to make
[22:03]	MinceR	who cares
[22:03]	CrystalMath	you need to be able to make your own engine
[22:03]	MinceR	just get a car built by people who know what they're doing
[22:03]	CrystalMath	you're an open source person, you should know the importance of this independence
[22:03]	MinceR	(i.e. japanese car)
[22:03]	CrystalMath	"just rely on others" = big mistake, other people want the worst to you
[22:03]	MinceR	there's no "open source" car
[22:03]	CrystalMath	or at least you should always suspect other people
[22:03]	MinceR	also, cars are fiendishly complex by necessirt
[22:03]	MinceR	s/rt/ty/
[22:03]	CrystalMath	but one man has build a trabant engine from scratch
[22:04]	MinceR	and you'd expect that thing to last decades
[22:04]	CrystalMath	used some really weird material for the interior of the piston shaft, whatever it's called
[22:04]	MinceR	so yeah, i'd love a free hardware design / free software car, but it's not even close to existing
[22:04]	CrystalMath	but it worked
[22:04]	MinceR	it would need the equivalent of decades of experience in production and support built into the design
[22:05]	CrystalMath	still, i've never heard of ONE man building any other kind of engine
[22:05]	CrystalMath	so, you have the option of homemade 2-stroke, or factory made 4-stroke designed by people who hate you
[22:06]	MinceR	you think the people who designed the trabant engine hate me less than all the people who designed 4-stroke engines?
[22:06]	CrystalMath	MinceR: that problem disappears if you create a trabant yourself
[22:06]	MinceR	if you "create" a trabant yourself, you end up with a trabant
[22:07]	MinceR	that's kind of like the Gratis Windows Foundation's newer goal of having a gratis (but not free) windows imitation (based on systemd) available to everyone
[22:07]	DaemonFC	https://layoffstracker.com/wayfair-lays-off-5-workforce-870-employees/
[22:07]	TR Bot	lays off 5% Workforce 870 Employees - LayoffsTracker
[22:07]	MinceR	what's the point if the design is crap anyway?
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[22:07]	CrystalMath	MinceR: because it's open source
[22:07]	DaemonFC	How the hell is 870 jobs "5%" of Wayfair.
[22:07]	MinceR	not even free?
[22:08]	CrystalMath	MinceR: clearly if you can build it yourself, modify it, distribute it...
[22:08]	MinceR	i'd rather build a Land Cruiser, even if it's an ancient model
[22:08]	CrystalMath	hmm, but can you?
[22:08]	MinceR	no
[22:09]	CrystalMath	it's probably hard to make a homemade 4-stroke engine
[22:09]	CrystalMath	though i have seen some, they weren't made by one person
[22:09]	MinceR	it's hard to make any sort of car at home from scratch
[22:09]	MinceR	engines are particularly difficult
[22:09]	CrystalMath	steam engines are easier
[22:09]	MinceR	maybe a Battery Electric Vehicle is easier... unless you want to build the lithium ion cells at home
[22:10]	schestowitz[TR]	 (NEW): BTW, You Should Use Arch. And why you should consider using Linux https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/BTW_You_Should_Use_Arch_And_why_you_should_consider_using_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/21/BTW_You_Should_Use_Arch_And_why_you_should_consider_using_Linux.gmi 
[22:10]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines BTW, You Should Use Arch. And why you should consider using Linux
[22:10]	schestowitz[TR]	starstreak: ^
[22:10]	CrystalMath	MinceR: or steam
[22:10]	CrystalMath	you can use natural gas to heat the water tank
[22:10]	MinceR	i suspect a steam car would come with very serious compromises
[22:10]	MinceR	OTOH it's going to be easier to power after the collapse
[22:11]	CrystalMath	MinceR: they're very cool
[22:11]	MinceR	you could just use biomass to power it
[22:11]	MinceR	can you drive one uphill, though?
[22:13]	starstreak	schestowitz[TR], there are good reasons why I used Fedora and then Arch
[22:13]	CrystalMath	MinceR: do remember that steam cars need minutes to start
[22:13]	starstreak	schestowitz[TR], i wanted the most recent packages of software
[22:13]	CrystalMath	tens of minutes
[22:14]	CrystalMath	MinceR: so, it can't be used to escape a flood or natural disaster in an emergency
[22:15]	CrystalMath	unless the emergency is known an hour in advance :P
[22:17]	CrystalMath	(when i said "minutes" I meant "many minutes")
[22:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[22:20]	starstreak	schestowitz[TR], nice article though
[22:20]	starstreak	just today I got an update to the latest GCC
[22:20]	starstreak	[britney@archbtw ~]$ gcc --version
[22:20]	starstreak	gcc (GCC) 12.2.0
[22:21]	starstreak	there is also a meme that trans women run arch and have anime girl profile pics, so i had to switch to arch for the memes
[22:22]	starstreak	https://youtu.be/G-mLyrHonvU
[22:22]	TR Bot	https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=G-mLyrHonvU
[22:22]	TR Bot	invidious.esmailelbob.xyz | Archinstall - Arch Linux Made Easy - Invidious
[22:23]	starstreak	^ I saw this video and found out archinstall supports full disk encryption which was what was holding me back from switching to arch
[22:26]	starstreak	im a smug anime girl running arch btw
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[22:40]	DaemonFC	https://www.insider.com/missouri-fake-abortion-clinic-tried-sabotage-a-womans-pregnancy-termination-2022-8
[22:40]	TR Bot	 A Fake Abortion Clinic Tried to Sabotage My Pregnancy Termination
[22:41]	DaemonFC	Mom claims they've "watered down" the effectiveness of the birth control pill to the point where you can't really rely on it anymore.
[22:41]	DaemonFC	I've known several women who were taking them who got pregnant anyway.
[22:42]	DaemonFC	It wouldn't surprise me. I don't trust doctors.
[22:42]	DaemonFC	Most of them aren't very honest with their patients.
[22:42]	starstreak	anti-abortion is white supremacy 
[22:42]	DaemonFC	I don't know how.
[22:43]	starstreak	the idea is about the population
[22:43]	DaemonFC	If over 80% of them are blacks, then why would white supremacists want rid of abortion?
[22:43]	DaemonFC	I don't get the long term gain here. More blacks?
[22:43]	starstreak	most of the women who get abortions are white so its a way of increasing the white population
[22:43]	DaemonFC	That's not true.
[22:43]	DaemonFC	Most of the women getting them are black.
[22:44]	starstreak	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZhxkF64yfE
[22:44]	TR Bot	https://y.com.sb/watch?v=XZhxkF64yfE
[22:44]	TR Bot	y.com.sb | White Supremacy and the Anti-Abortion Movement - Invidious
[22:44]	starstreak	1 hour long
[22:44]	DaemonFC	38% of abortions are black women, compared with 13% of the US population being black.
[22:45]	DaemonFC	The next highest group is 21% being Hispanic/Latino.
[22:45]	starstreak	republicans want to increase the white population without increasing immigration because that lets in non whites
[22:46]	DaemonFC	Non-Hispanic whites getting abortions are 33% of all abortions in the US, but we're like almost 60% of the population.
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[22:46]	starstreak	depends on the area
[22:46]	starstreak	but even so, they just want more white babies
[22:46]	DaemonFC	Oh well, in that case, things get even worse for whites.
[22:46]	XRevan86	starstreak: Orthey are catering to the traditionalist types.
[22:47]	DaemonFC	Because the states that have total or near-total abortion bans now have lots and lots of blacks.
[22:47]	DaemonFC	Like Mississippi, where they are nearly 40% of the population iirc.
[22:47]	starstreak	XRevan86, that too
[22:48]	DaemonFC	The ten states that banned it, nearly all the abortions are blacks.
[22:48]	DaemonFC	The only state with a ban coming in the next three months that doesn't have a lot of blacks is Indiana.
[22:48]	DaemonFC	And the blacks living in Indiana mostly live on the border with Chicago and will get the abortions anyway.
[22:48]	starstreak	https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/state-indicator/abortions-by-race/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D
[22:48]	TR Bot	 Reported Legal Abortions by Race of Women Who Obtained Abortion by the State of Occurrence | KFF
[22:49]	DaemonFC	Indiana shouldn't really be happy about Illinois becoming unaffordable.
[22:49]	starstreak	Indiana: 52% white, 32% black
[22:49]	DaemonFC	The result of that is the black people are piling out and establishing a new home in Indiana because it's close by and still cheap.
[22:49]	starstreak	where are your stats?
[22:50]	DaemonFC	Typically, most blacks living in Indiana are concentrated where you'd expect.
[22:50]	DaemonFC	The Chicago area, followed by Indianapolis, and Fort Wayne.
[22:50]	DaemonFC	They tended to stay out of small rural areas, but that's changing.
[22:51]	DaemonFC	I was on the phone with mom and she says that in Huntington, there's a lot of them living in some cheap motels there now.
[22:51]	starstreak	dude, check out my link
[22:51]	starstreak	https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/state-indicator/abortions-by-race/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22White%22,%22sort%22:%22desc%22%7D
[22:51]	TR Bot	 Reported Legal Abortions by Race of Women Who Obtained Abortion by the State of Occurrence | KFF
[22:51]	starstreak	the data shows that white people dominate the stats for legal abortions
[22:51]	DaemonFC	My guess is the motels are the only place they can live because the federal anti-discrimination laws are much more enforced on businesses than they are in "housing".
[22:52]	starstreak	racist republicans want to increase the population without immigration
[22:52]	DaemonFC	And so motels can't turn them away as easily as a private landlord who can just not rent to them and not say why.
[22:52]	DaemonFC	There's a million reasons not to rent to someone that are perfectly legal.
[22:52]	DaemonFC	Proving that it was because you're black is impossible. You can't read the guy's mind and get it admitted into evidence.
[22:53]	DaemonFC	So he'll just focus on what's legal.
[22:53]	DaemonFC	And that'll be the reason, even though an otherwise equal white person would get the apartment.
[22:53]	DaemonFC	Like, maybe he doesn't really care about felons as long as it's a white felon.
[22:54]	DaemonFC	Or maybe you just barely have the income to rent it, but so does a white person, and he figures a white tenant who is poor is less likely to fuck him on the rent and use the property for crimes.
[22:54]	DaemonFC	So he rents it to the poor white person.
[22:55]	TR News	Flameshot Not Working On Wlroots & Sway: Heres The Fix - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=6O6WBtchg_c | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/6O6WBtchg_c
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[22:55]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines KaOS 2022.08 Run Through
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[22:57]	starstreak	racist conservatives changed the immigration system in canada by using a points system so only rich people can get in
[22:57]	TR News	Internet-connected browsers should NOT do this. Standalone password managers, which are audited, should. https://www.maketecheasier.com/safari-save-passwords-ios/
[22:57]	TR Bot	 How to Make Mobile Safari Save Your Passwords on iOS - Make Tech Easier
[22:57]	DaemonFC	Landlords really hate a certain type of tenant. The four commandments of trying to rent an apartment are "Thou Shalt Not Have Any Evictions Record", "Thou Shalt Not Be Late On Rent", and "Thou Shalt Not Draw Police Attention", and "Thou Shalt Not Cause Extreme Property Damage". And if you do any of those things, you're out.
[22:57]	DaemonFC	It's in almost every lease that any criminal activity on or involving the property is grounds for having the lease terminated by the landlord.
[22:58]	TR News	iustin - Note to self: Don't forget Qemu's discard option https://k1024.org/posts/2022/2022-08-21-do-not-forget-qemu-unmap/ Source: Iustin Pop | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//k1024.org/posts/2022/2022-08-21-do-not-forget-qemu-unmap/
[22:58]	TR Bot	 iustin - Note to self: Don't forget Qemu's discard option
[22:58]	DaemonFC	When I was accused (not convicted) of a misdemeanor, the landlord claimed he terminated my lease.
[22:58]	DaemonFC	The penalties start immediately even though theoretically you're innocent.
[22:58]	DaemonFC	Landlords don't rent to people with anything "pending" in the court system.
[22:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 46.51 k/sec., IPFS upstream 65.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 121.26
[22:59]	DaemonFC	They consider it a risk that the court will sentence you to go to jail and there won't be anyone there paying the rent when they do that.
[22:59]	DaemonFC	So you can not just lose your existing lease, but nobody wants to risk having you hauled off to jail and having an apartment full of your stuff they have to clear out and list the apartment again in the middle of the lease.
[22:59]	TR News	ArchLabs 2022.08.21 is out today https://archlabslinux.com/
[22:59]	TR Bot	 ArchLabs Linux Inspired by BunsenLabs. Powered by Arch Linux.
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[23:00]	DaemonFC	There's only so much of a headache the landlord will put up with from any renter before they call it and take them to court or won't renew the lease.
[23:01]	DaemonFC	So if you know what's best for you, your strategy should be to just hunker down and keep signing leases as long as you can unless and until something outrageous happens.
[23:01]	DaemonFC	And don't cause any trouble.
[23:01]	DaemonFC	We're going into a really shitty economy right now and nobody admits it.
[23:02]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR] knows that. What kind of media gaslighting is going on.
[23:02]	DaemonFC	It's all to protect the Democrats because they've been good to the corporate types.
[23:02]	schestowitz[TR]	pretty much
[23:02]	DaemonFC	They've raised taxes and dumped it all out on corporations. The "CHIPS and SCIENCE Act!".
[23:02]	schestowitz[TR]	it MIGHT be a recession, ryan
[23:02]	schestowitz[TR]	but unemployment is VERY low
[23:02]	DaemonFC	Then Intel gets the money and announces less investment and more dividends.
[23:02]	schestowitz[TR]	ryan, you are employed
[23:02]	schestowitz[TR]	according to the oligarchs' records
[23:03]	DaemonFC	I have "insurance" too!
[23:03]	DaemonFC	I'm being well taken care of, you know.
[23:03]	schestowitz[TR]	"if you ain't looking no more, problem solved. You are SORTED."
[23:03]	schestowitz[TR]	democrats and republicans alike: 409% of our adult population is RETIRED!
[23:03]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], I can tell you why people are becoming more violent.
[23:03]	schestowitz[TR]	*40%
[23:03]	DaemonFC	More people with nothing left to lose.
[23:04]	schestowitz[TR]	yeah
[23:04]	schestowitz[TR]	no healthcare either
[23:04]	DaemonFC	Even in prison, you get a bed, you don't freeze, you don't have to wonder where your insulin or food is coming from.
[23:04]	schestowitz[TR]	buybacks for Intel
[23:04]	schestowitz[TR]	good for shareholders
[23:04]	DaemonFC	They treat fucking prisoners better than they do people who haven't done anything wrong.
[23:04]	schestowitz[TR]	prisons are for-profit
[23:04]	schestowitz[TR]	so it's OK
[23:05]	schestowitz[TR]	soon they'll do conscription there 
[23:05]	schestowitz[TR]	and forced labour
[23:05]	schestowitz[TR]	helmets and stuff
[23:05]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], No need.
[23:05]	schestowitz[TR]	like in russia and china, respectively
[23:05]	DaemonFC	Indiana "reformed" their criminal code back in 2013.
[23:05]	schestowitz[TR]	the military struggled to recruit at the moment
[23:05]	DaemonFC	After promising the prison companies more prisoners.
[23:05]	schestowitz[TR]	it was in the news this month/lately
[23:05]	DaemonFC	They took a bunch of misdemeanors and turned them into felonies.
[23:06]	DaemonFC	All they really have to do is make it easier to seriously fuck yourself.
[23:06]	DaemonFC	And there's more prisoners.
[23:06]	schestowitz[TR]	person goes to jail
[23:06]	schestowitz[TR]	person release
[23:06]	schestowitz[TR]	person struggles
[23:06]	schestowitz[TR]	thinks, heck prison was not so bad
[23:06]	DaemonFC	person goes back to prison
[23:06]	schestowitz[TR]	let's steal shit
[23:06]	schestowitz[TR]	if I win, I win
[23:06]	schestowitz[TR]	it I lose, I win
[23:07]	DaemonFC	Yeah, when prison is better than "freedom", your country is fucked beyond hope.
[23:07]	XRevan86	https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1561455861696004098
[23:07]	TR Bot	Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Meanwhile in Russia: a revealing look at the way Russian pundits and experts talk about Ukrainians, describing them as primitive, but cunning and two-faced villagers, devoid of their own national identity, too ignorant to grasp the Russian imperial need for territorial expansion."|nitter.it
[23:07]	schestowitz[TR]	the prison industry likes it
[23:07]	schestowitz[TR]	GEO Corp?
[23:07]	DaemonFC	Out of prison, they do fucking nothing for you, schestowitz[TR] 
[23:07]	DaemonFC	You'll be lucky to find a meal somewhere.
[23:07]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.geogroup.com/
[23:07]	TR Bot	 The GEO Group - Official Website
[23:07]	schestowitz[TR]	.com :-)
[23:07]	schestowitz[TR]	when your prison is a for-profit company
[23:07]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.geogroup.com/LOCATIONS
[23:08]	TR Bot	 Locations
[23:08]	schestowitz[TR]	U.S. Secure Services 51 Facilities 65,080 Beds
[23:08]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], It's pretty bad, you know, how frightened I am. Depressed.
[23:08]	DaemonFC	My mom doesn't like how I've been talking.
[23:08]	schestowitz[TR]	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEO_Group
[23:08]	TR Bot	 GEO Group - Wikipedia
[23:08]	DaemonFC	I said if anything happens to me, please take care of the cats and Mandy.
[23:08]	schestowitz[TR]	"The GEO Group, Inc. (GEO) is a publicly traded C corporation that invests in private prisons"
[23:09]	DaemonFC	He's not helpless, but this government is so rotten and it is a foreign country to him.
[23:09]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: you are better at taking care of mandy and the cats
[23:09]	DaemonFC	He probably couldn't get a library card without me helping him.
[23:09]	schestowitz[TR]	hang in there
[23:10]	schestowitz[TR]	write stuff, don't think TOO much
[23:10]	schestowitz[TR]	when the rich are done stealing all the capital and break costs $5 a loaf, for many people there will be nothing left to eat but the rich
[23:11]	schestowitz[TR]	and their capital
[23:11]	DaemonFC	I'd like to say "Hell, they never broke Nelson Mandela..." But the people who came after him are worse than the apartheid people.
[23:11]	schestowitz[TR]	in ukraine they already struggle to get food, in some areas
[23:11]	schestowitz[TR]	YOU have food
[23:11]	DaemonFC	That's true.
[23:11]	schestowitz[TR]	and extra in thew belly
[23:11]	DaemonFC	No danger of Russian cruise missiles hitting my apartment building.
[23:11]	schestowitz[TR]	for hard times
[23:12]	schestowitz[TR]	you can go on for months without eating
[23:12]	schestowitz[TR]	the fatties
[23:12]	DaemonFC	The UK is in more danger from Russia than I am.
[23:12]	schestowitz[TR]	obese
[23:12]	schestowitz[TR]	months
[23:12]	DaemonFC	Come to think of it.
[23:12]	schestowitz[TR]	water is another matter
[23:12]	DaemonFC	The UK has been broke for quite a while.
[23:13]	schestowitz[TR]	most countries
[23:13]	DaemonFC	Not in as much "book" debt.
[23:13]	schestowitz[TR]	UK is not yet as poor as US
[23:13]	DaemonFC	Just letting all their stuff go while they make budget cuts.
[23:13]	schestowitz[TR]	and crime here nowhere near
[23:13]	schestowitz[TR]	US is off the charts
[23:13]	DaemonFC	Crime is off the charts in the cities, Roy.
[23:13]	DaemonFC	What else is new?
[23:13]	DaemonFC	You could give those animals in Chicago a 24 karat gold bar every month they go without killing or raping someone.
[23:14]	DaemonFC	And it wouldn't be enough for a lot of them.
[23:14]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: theya re poorer than you
[23:14]	DaemonFC	They don't think in terms of how desperate they are for food or a place to live.
[23:14]	schestowitz[TR]	and more desperate than you
[23:14]	DaemonFC	A lot are criminals because that's what they want to do that moment.
[23:15]	schestowitz[TR]	they live with and talk to other desperate people
[23:15]	schestowitz[TR]	brb
[23:15]	DaemonFC	And they don't have any mental capacity to go "You know, if I clunk that woman over the head and rape her and set her on fire in a dumpster.....what happens to ME tomorrow?".
[23:15]	schestowitz[TR]	just deployed some gut front end in gemini for tuxmachines
[23:15]	DaemonFC	That's not just a poverty problem.
[23:15]	schestowitz[TR]	*git
[23:15]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: that's an extreme example
[23:16]	schestowitz[TR]	probably the dickest in the head
[23:16]	schestowitz[TR]	and that makes more headlines
[23:16]	schestowitz[TR]	*sickest
[23:17]	DaemonFC	There's a lot of those down there.
[23:17]	DaemonFC	It's in the news every day.
[23:17]	DaemonFC	Hell, almost every day in Lake County.
[23:17]	DaemonFC	It's terrifying how normal people can "seem" and be so fucked in the head.
[23:18]	schestowitz[TR]	trauma messes people up
[23:18]	DaemonFC	Normal people spend so much time being afraid of me because I have no fashion sense or a strange personality, that they ignore the fact that I'm not the danger.
[23:18]	schestowitz[TR]	and they look for revenge
[23:18]	DaemonFC	The people who seem normal are the ones they need to watch out for.
[23:18]	schestowitz[TR]	programming themselves or making alliances with other nuts
[23:18]	schestowitz[TR]	see mandy's sister
[23:19]	DaemonFC	Yeah, their dad had a trove of zoo porn apparently.
[23:19]	DaemonFC	The guy was a complete sicko.
[23:19]	DaemonFC	Then he kills a dog and roasts it and that's dinner.
[23:19]	DaemonFC	I mean, what was he doing to HER?
[23:19]	DaemonFC	Or for that matter, Mandy, that I haven't heard about.
[23:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[23:20]	TR News	"I still cant believe we did this for two years; even just a weekend of it left me feeling irritable and tired. My dad used to say the most exhausting thing you can do is nothing, and Ive really come to understand this of late." https://rubenerd.com/it-sure-felt-like-a-long-weekend/
[23:20]	TR Bot	It sure felt like a long weekend!
[23:20]	DaemonFC	It sounded like his parents were a couple of miserable wretches who had a sad, short, life.
[23:20]	DaemonFC	And not short enough.
[23:21]	DaemonFC	But not everyone turns out like their parents, you know.
[23:21]	techuser	cuddlybear66: parent-child relationships topic, perhaps
[23:22]	DaemonFC	Most parents are bad parents.
[23:22]	DaemonFC	But it's different types and degrees of bad.
[23:22]	techuser	cuddlybear66 thinks she would be better than others. Other parents also think like this.
[23:22]	DaemonFC	Most of them are just shitty parents because having kids was not what they wanted in life and "it just happened" and then they realize personally that it ended everything that they wanted to do.
[23:22]	TR News	"Social engineering is a powerful method for hackers to exploit computer systems without the use of malware or computer hacking tools." https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/how-hackers-use-social-engineering-to-get-passwords-on-facebook/
[23:23]	TR Bot	 How Hackers Use Social Engineering to Get Passwords on Facebook? - GeeksforGeeks
[23:23]	DaemonFC	I think, looking back to 1997-1999, my mom just had a mid-life crisis and it ended up hurting her greatly.
[23:23]	schestowitz[TR]	a real crisis?
[23:24]	schestowitz[TR]	or menopause-related depression?
[23:24]	DaemonFC	Because instead of being with my dad, who was mostly just boring and kind of a control freak, she ended up with stupid men who beat her and committed adultery.
[23:24]	DaemonFC	Well, for at least 6-7 more years she was menstruating because the dog would grab the tampons out of the bathroom trash and try to eat them.
[23:24]	DaemonFC	And leave bits all over the floor.
[23:25]	TR News	WSL https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/h_600,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Feb762d5e-1e1a-44a6-9c9d-e4def71a40f5_768x768.jpeg
[23:25]	DaemonFC	Thank God she never had any kids with Brian.
[23:25]	techuser	and I just have no idea what to do
[23:25]	DaemonFC	He had too many already and they're all criminals.
[23:25]	techuser	maybe my life is fucked up from the beginning
[23:25]	DaemonFC	Like, "HERR DERR I PUNCHED A COP DAD BUT IT'LL BE FINE BECAUSE I DID DRYWALL FOR HIM LAST WEEK!".
[23:25]	techuser	I will probably get a job, and I will earn money, and I will have no idea what to spend it on, aside basic life needs
[23:26]	DaemonFC	Or his daughter that got caught by a cop on the way to her probation meeting for something else with a joint and a jar of her daughter's piss in a bottle on the seat in plain view.
[23:26]	DaemonFC	I mean like, not even smart enough to toss it under the seat and play it off like she was rummaging for her registration.
[23:26]	TR News	[Old] It is happening here: Massachusetts has a growing neo-Nazi movement https://www.wgbh.org/news/local-news/2022/05/18/it-is-happening-here-massachusetts-has-a-growing-neo-nazi-movement
[23:26]	TR Bot	 It is happening here: Massachusetts has a growing neo-Nazi movement
[23:27]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Radar detectors are not illegal in Indiana, but a cop pulled me over for speeding one night because it didn't go off in time.
[23:27]	DaemonFC	I yanked it off my windshield and threw it under the seat before he pulled me over.
[23:27]	DaemonFC	I ended up getting a warning.
[23:28]	DaemonFC	But like, I'm smart enough that even in a panic I'm like "He sees that, like, my intention was to speed and just know if there were cops nearby. He'll laugh and write me a ticket.".
[23:29]	DaemonFC	I had to be on the road all the time back then and I got the detector because it usually went off in time to slow down.
[23:29]	schestowitz[TR]	"you got off with a warning," that's what she said...
[23:29]	DaemonFC	It just didn't that particular time.
[23:29]	schestowitz[TR]	they are a waste of money
[23:30]	schestowitz[TR]	just obey road rules
[23:30]	schestowitz[TR]	the radars won't save you
[23:30]	schestowitz[TR]	cops can still frame you
[23:30]	schestowitz[TR]	the radara dns cams are not evidence
[23:30]	schestowitz[TR]	the courts won't admit them
[23:30]	schestowitz[TR]	unless they can be used against you
[23:30]	schestowitz[TR]	avoid cops
[23:30]	schestowitz[TR]	the radar won't help you avoid cops
[23:31]	schestowitz[TR]	it might tell you to be extra careful
[23:31]	schestowitz[TR]	they score point by
[23:31]	schestowitz[TR]	1) fining
[23:31]	schestowitz[TR]	1) solving
[23:31]	schestowitz[TR]	3) framing
[23:31]	DaemonFC	https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/17/covid-longer-term-elevated-risk-brain-fog-dementia-study
[23:31]	TR Bot	 Covid linked to longer-term elevated risk of brain fog and dementia | Coronavirus | The Guardian
[23:31]	schestowitz[TR]	so nothing good (for you) will come out of it
[23:31]	DaemonFC	And Mom didn't want to get on the pills for COVID.
[23:32]	DaemonFC	Ugh, the last thing I need is Mom in another state losing her mind.
[23:32]	schestowitz[TR]	guardian=bill gates
[23:32]	schestowitz[TR]	avoid, ignore
[23:32]	DaemonFC	She would have been so much better off. We all would have. If she had just left things the hell alone and stayed with Dad.
[23:32]	schestowitz[TR]	but the studies are real
[23:32]	schestowitz[TR]	link to the studies
[23:32]	schestowitz[TR]	not bill's guardian
[23:32]	schestowitz[TR]	cdc/nih published a study in july
[23:32]	schestowitz[TR]	I linked to that
[23:33]	schestowitz[TR]	guardian can go f*** themselves
[23:33]	schestowitz[TR]	in a plane with epstein
[23:33]	schestowitz[TR]	their sponsor's BFF
[23:33]	schestowitz[TR]	"don't kid yourself, bill"
[23:36]	TR News	BEING A CANADIAN FROM INDIA http://tobkes.othellomaster.com/archives/2022/08/21/being-a-canadian/
[23:36]	TR Bot	 Harvey Tobkes Blog Archive RUSSELL PETERS TALKS ABOUT HIS DAD & BEING A CANADIAN FROM INDIA
[23:38]	DaemonFC	I was checking out the Libertarian candidate for Senate.
[23:38]	DaemonFC	He wants a 19% flat tax (federal) on income.
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[23:41]	DaemonFC	That would be a disaster for us.
[23:41]	DaemonFC	Is there a political party that wouldn't be a disaster for us?
[23:42]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe unlawful ones
[23:42]	DaemonFC	For starters, the 19% flat tax isn't just "Oh well, you're all in a 19% flat tax, but there's this thing that exempts each person's first $12,950 in income and all these retirement tax credits.".
[23:42]	schestowitz[TR]	there is also no ranked voting system
[23:42]	DaemonFC	It means.....Hand over 19% of your income, now.
[23:43]	starstreak	desktop screenshot time: https://imgur.com/a/4XjEZAi
[23:43]	TR Bot	The magic of the Internet
[23:43]	schestowitz[TR]	applies to corporations and oligarchs too?
[23:43]	DaemonFC	Right now we start out at 10% and get all of these deductions.
[23:43]	schestowitz[TR]	they don't declare "incoming"
[23:43]	schestowitz[TR]	they use loopholes
[23:43]	schestowitz[TR]	like stocks
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[23:43]	schestowitz[TR]	and claim their salary is $1
[23:43]	schestowitz[TR]	the media plays along
[23:43]	schestowitz[TR]	like it's a good joke
[23:43]	DaemonFC	So by the time you deduct everything, it's not even half the 10%.
[23:43]	schestowitz[TR]	when in fact it's a fraud
[23:43]	schestowitz[TR]	but we know who owns the media
[23:44]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], I really doubt the 19% income tax would hurt Gates.
[23:44]	DaemonFC	They always figure out how to get money and it's not "income".
[23:44]	DaemonFC	That's a neat trick.
[23:44]	schestowitz[TR]	yes, his bank is in cayman
[23:44]	schestowitz[TR]	btw, cayman is remote
[23:44]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe he can even screw babies in there
[23:44]	schestowitz[TR]	and say it's legal
[23:44]	schestowitz[TR]	who knows..
[23:44]	schestowitz[TR]	anyway, the media isn't investigating things anymore
[23:45]	DaemonFC	He'd have to renounce his US citizenship for it to be legal to have sex with anyone under 18 in another country.
[23:45]	DaemonFC	But if nobody goes after him, is it a law?
[23:45]	schestowitz[TR]	yes
[23:45]	schestowitz[TR]	US "law"
[23:45]	schestowitz[TR]	acosta let Epstein off the hook
[23:45]	schestowitz[TR]	it taook ages just to prosecute
[23:45]	schestowitz[TR]	or to indict
[23:45]	schestowitz[TR]	everyone knew
[23:46]	DaemonFC	It would be legal for me to have sex with someone who is 17 in Illinois.
[23:46]	DaemonFC	Because I'm not, like, a cop or THEIR teacher or a social worker.
[23:47]	DaemonFC	Maybe people would frown on that, but there's nothing the District Attorney could really do.
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[23:47]	DaemonFC	They keep introducing bills to bring it up to 18 but they never act on them.
[23:47]	schestowitz[TR]	"screwing while rich" is the new "walking while black"
[23:48]	TR News	Phaedrus Leeds: GUADEC 2022 Happenings https://blogs.gnome.org/mwleeds/2022/08/21/guadec-2022-happenings/
[23:48]	TR Bot	 GUADEC 2022 Happenings Phaedrus Leeds' GNOME Blog
[23:48]	DaemonFC	They also try to remove the affirmative defense of "I credibly thought they were 17.".
[23:48]	DaemonFC	Like, it's a decent defense because it's in the law itself.
[23:48]	DaemonFC	If a "reasonable person" would have thought they were 17, it's not illegal.
[23:49]	DaemonFC	So the "They lied to me and I didn't verify it." defense can get you off the hook if the jury agrees that they looked older.
[23:49]	TR News	The unavailable gadget we badly need to invent https://www.positech.co.uk/cliffsblog/2022/08/19/the-unavailable-gadget-we-badly-need-to-invent/
[23:49]	TR Bot	 The unavailable gadget we badly need to invent Cliffski's Blog
[23:49]	DaemonFC	There was a bill to get rid of that defense in the current session.
[23:50]	DaemonFC	I think we're going into another burst of "puritanism".
[23:50]	TR News	Learning OCaml - (think) https://batsov.com/articles/2022/08/19/learning-ocaml/ Source: Bozhidar Batsov | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//batsov.com/articles/2022/08/19/learning-ocaml/
[23:50]	TR Bot	 Learning OCaml - (think)
[23:50]	DaemonFC	There's "protecting young children" and then there's this.
[23:51]	TR News	People of Cook, you can make Josh the comeback kid - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/people-of-cook-you-can-make-josh-frydenberg-the-comeback-kid/ Source: Michael West Media | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/people-of-cook-you-can-make-josh-frydenberg-the-comeback-kid/
[23:51]	TR Bot	 People of Cook, you can make Josh the comeback kid - Michael West
[23:51]	DaemonFC	There's no evidence at all that juries across the Great State of ILL are being hoodwinked into letting pedophiles go on the "She told me she was older!" defense.
[23:51]	DaemonFC	And in some cases, it may be a good defense. Why are we removing something that the jury can and should consider?
[23:51]	TR News	Is this an affront to the constitution, or a lucky break for a bunch of precious people? - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/is-this-an-affront-to-the-constitution-or-a-lucky-break-for-a-bunch-of-precious-people/ Source: Michael West Media
[23:51]	TR Bot	 Is this an affront to the constitution, or a lucky break for a bunch of precious people? - Michael West
[23:52]	DaemonFC	Whether a person could have been tricked into breaking the law through no fault of their own should always be something for the jury to consider and it should always be the right of the accused to say they got duped.
[23:52]	DaemonFC	Maybe the jury goes for it, maybe they don't. It's your right to tell them that. Or should be.
[23:52]	TR News	"The property market is a favourite for money launderers, forcing ordinary Australians to compete with organised crime for their dream home, says investigative author Nathan Lynch." https://michaelwest.com.au/lucky-laundry-review-aml-australia-property-money-laundering/
[23:52]	TR Bot	 'Lucky Laundry' review: how Australia got caught in a toxic spin cycle - Michael West
[23:52]	DaemonFC	We have politicians that want to strip everyone of their right to defend themselves in court.
[23:53]	DaemonFC	Once you have no right to say "Look, I didn't mean to do that!" and let the jury decide whether to believe it or show leniency, it all comes down to whether you can prove you did it or not.
[23:53]	TR News	"Qantas is trying to take over Alliance Airlines, a competitor in the lucrative FIFO market the flying in and out of mine workers in remote locations. The ACCC is not so sure its a good idea, so whats the scam?" https://michaelwest.com.au/qantas-takeover-of-alliance-airlines-stuttering-on-the-runway-whats-the-scam/
[23:53]	TR Bot	 Qantas takeover of Alliance Airlines stuttering on the runway, what's the scam?
[23:53]	DaemonFC	There will be no room for leniency and there will be less justice than there is now as a result.
[23:54]	schestowitz[TR]	jury trialks are a joke in many contextx
[23:54]	schestowitz[TR]	as the jury has no knowledge if the problem domain
[23:54]	schestowitz[TR]	it's a show trial
[23:54]	DaemonFC	Yeah, which is the only reason I made a plea deal.
[23:54]	DaemonFC	The alternative was going to a show trial in a system that has a higher conviction rate than the Nazi People's Court.
[23:55]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], I demanded a trial in the traffic case.
[23:55]	schestowitz[TR]	aka Sont Berlin?
[23:55]	schestowitz[TR]	*Sony
[23:55]	DaemonFC	Nothing to lose there.
[23:55]	DaemonFC	The cop hands you a ticket, you can pay it or fight it.
[23:55]	DaemonFC	If you fight and lose, you pay the ticket, which is no worse than paying the ticket.
[23:56]	starstreak	interesting, google wants to replace linux with this: https://fuchsia.dev/fuchsia-src/get-started/learn-fuchsia
[23:56]	TR Bot	 Get started | Fuchsia
[23:56]	DaemonFC	So in traffic cases, ALWAYS go to court and maybe something will fall through or you'll get a plea deal that's better than mailing it in with money.
[23:56]	starstreak	it'll run linux and android software
[23:56]	schestowitz[TR]	will?
[23:56]	DaemonFC	The worst has already happened when you get the ticket.
[23:56]	schestowitz[TR]	or was supposed to?
[23:56]	schestowitz[TR]	it seems to have gone nowehre
[23:57]	schestowitz[TR]	almost vapourware
[23:57]	starstreak	i just found out about it today
[23:57]	starstreak	maybe it is vapourware
[23:57]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Yes, Sony's office in Berlin was the Nazi People's Court.
[23:57]	DaemonFC	I knew that already.
[23:57]	schestowitz[TR]	it is an impressive building though
[23:57]	DaemonFC	There has to be something at that address I suppose.
[23:57]	schestowitz[TR]	but commercial failure
[23:57]	DaemonFC	Are they going to tear down every building because someone lost a war?
[23:58]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz[TR]> it is an impressive building though
[23:58]	DaemonFC	Fascist architecture usually is superb because Fascism itself is going for a psychological effect.
[23:58]	DaemonFC	You ever notice that the Nazis had really sharp uniforms too?
[23:58]	DaemonFC	Nobody else had good looking uniforms like that.
[23:59]	DaemonFC	It's all about optics, Roy.
[23:59]	schestowitz[TR]	I cannot find photos from there
[23:59]	schestowitz[TR]	I thought we had taken some
[23:59]	DaemonFC	When you say you're creating a great society, you have to impress. With architecture. With uniforms. With pageantry.
[23:59]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe just didn't upload them