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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Sint Maarten - WikipediaSep 21 00:00
schestowitz"As of 2018, Sint Maarten has the 14th largest GDP per capita in the world (including territories) when measured by purchasing power parity, over three times as high as its French counterpart"Sep 21 00:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Sint Maarten - WikipediaSep 21 00:02
DaemonFC[m]I like how movies portray people without a college degree living like they make $400,000 a year.Sep 21 00:02
schestowitzsame in mediaSep 21 00:03
schestowitzMSMSep 21 00:03
schestowitzthey overplay the American DreamSep 21 00:03
schestowitzat the same time they make people feel shame, overmotivating them to suit the images in the flicksSep 21 00:04
schestowitzgiving people a sense of worthlessness puts them on medsSep 21 00:04
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz about the only way you'd get me to risk getting on a plane right now is if I was a woman living in a red state that couldn't get an abortion there.Sep 21 00:04
schestowitzI recently found out how many USians >still< pay student debtSep 21 00:04
DaemonFC[m]Get some KN95s and get in there.Sep 21 00:04
schestowitzmy sister flies in 2 weeksSep 21 00:05
schestowitzthey have become  overburdened by the lockdownsSep 21 00:05
schestowitzwith kids in the homeSep 21 00:05
schestowitzbut I said, first of all the flight might be canceledSep 21 00:05
schestowitzand hotels would not issue refundsSep 21 00:05
schestowitzsecond, you can catch illnesses and the travel is not convenientSep 21 00:05
schestowitz[17:05] <liberty_box> 21 00:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Airline’s flight ‘to nowhere’ gets fully booked in 10 minutesSep 21 00:06
DaemonFC[m]Some Comfort Inns are declaring bankruptcy.Sep 21 00:06
schestowitz[17:05] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- | Airline’s flight ‘to nowhere’ gets fully booked in 10 minutesSep 21 00:06
schestowitzPeople. Are. Nuts.Sep 21 00:06
MinceRthat's an insult to nuts :>Sep 21 00:06
schestowitztechnically legumeSep 21 00:06
MinceRonly peanutsSep 21 00:06
schestowitzpeople are peabrainsSep 21 00:06
DaemonFC[m]Can't get travelers to stay there. Probably the reason the manager here froze our rate was because we've been living here and not causing problems and if the rent was any higher I'd find a more upscale hotel to live in.Sep 21 00:07
MinceR:>Sep 21 00:07
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: they can become quarantine campsSep 21 00:07
schestowitzor portable hospitalsSep 21 00:07
schestowitzto deal with patient spilloversSep 21 00:07
schestowitzeither way, they need to reinvent themselves somehowSep 21 00:08
DaemonFC[m]The rate new guests pay is $1,200 a month. For that I may as well go pay $1600 for one that isn't a dump.Sep 21 00:08
schestowitznot just by offering loads of hand sanitiserSep 21 00:08
schestowitzthat's too much if you mean motelSep 21 00:08
DaemonFC[m]I'd definitely move back into the Candlewood if this place went over $1,200.Sep 21 00:08
schestowitzand not Comfort InnsSep 21 00:09
DaemonFC[m]The difference just isn't worth the nuisances at that point.Sep 21 00:09
schestowitzhotels are for travelers Sep 21 00:09
schestowitzusually but not always overseasSep 21 00:09
schestowitzfar away from one's own homeSep 21 00:09
schestowitzso return for sleep not possibleSep 21 00:09
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DaemonFC[m]Oh, I don't have a home. This is all I have.Sep 21 00:09
schestowitzif people stop traveling, the hotels become obsoleteSep 21 00:10
schestowitzthe Hilton here, I was told 5 days ago, fired 70 out of 180 staffSep 21 00:10
schestowitzthat's almost half Sep 21 00:10
DaemonFC[m]I'm hoping to hunker down here until I can get that fucking misdemeanor expunged and put some good marks on my credit report.Sep 21 00:10
schestowitzand they never reopened their gym, either... and pool, spa...Sep 21 00:10
DaemonFC[m]If I ever see John again it may not all be a lie on the part of the state again. I'm pissed off nearly to the point of ripping off his head and shitting down his neck after this last year.Sep 21 00:11
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: well, few people your age own a home anywaySep 21 00:11
schestowitzhomes are overpriced and salaries too lowSep 21 00:11
DaemonFC[m]Thank god he's nowhere near Illinois.Sep 21 00:11
schestowitzand jobs become scarceSep 21 00:11
schestowitz"Sep 21 00:12
schestowitzMessages from FirefoxSep 21 00:12
schestowitzCOVID-19 articles your prime summer reading? Must still be 2020. See Pocket’s top ten not-so-expected stories from this not-so-average August.Sep 21 00:12
schestowitz"Sep 21 00:12
schestowitzWTF, Mozilla?Sep 21 00:12
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DaemonFC[m]The forum I totally don't read and laugh at was furious about the Black Lives Matter (burn loot murder) support being put in Firefox.Sep 21 00:28
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: If Republicans were really smart, they'd support abortion, no restrictions, government pays for it. Sep 21 00:34
DaemonFC[m]It keeps the crime down. Keeps welfare down.Sep 21 00:34
MinceRDaemonFC[m]: if superman is so smart, why does he wear his underpants over his pants?Sep 21 00:35
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: My mom says "Some of these women are having 6 or 7 of them!".Sep 21 00:35
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Yeah, it would be better if they had 6-7 more welfare babies with them at the Walmart spending your tax money with their SNAP card before they go back to their Section 8 hives, right?".Sep 21 00:36
DaemonFC[m]"Some of these women get $1200 a month in SNAP and a free apartment and no man in sight.".Sep 21 00:37
DaemonFC[m]"All of them on Medicaid including the mom because she's got kids."Sep 21 00:37
DaemonFC[m]An abortion costs Illinois Medicaid about $400 once.Sep 21 00:38
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: you are excusing police brutality and murdering copsSep 21 00:38
schestowitzby associating response to it with "burn loot murder"Sep 21 00:38
DaemonFC[m]No, I think they're a bunch of bastards too.Sep 21 00:38
schestowitzstick to tech/science plsSep 21 00:38
DaemonFC[m]Both sides are scum.Sep 21 00:38
MinceRnaturallySep 21 00:38
MinceRthey're humansSep 21 00:38
MinceREXTERMINATE!Sep 21 00:38
DaemonFC[m]I said Firefox is spewing this shit in everyone's face.Sep 21 00:38
schestowitzit doesSep 21 00:39
schestowitzI moved almost everything to FalkonSep 21 00:39
schestowitzEven the last thing, blog postingsSep 21 00:39
schestowitzbut my browsing history is in FFSep 21 00:39
schestowitzso sometimes I still open it on the side...Sep 21 00:39
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: It's like Rimmer in Red Dwarf talking about his theory about the military.Sep 21 00:39
DaemonFC[m]The side with the shortest hair wins.Sep 21 00:40
DaemonFC[m]"Vietnam. Crew cuts both sides. Draw."Sep 21 00:40
schestowitzopening a new tab, however, gives me google search bars, my browsing stuff (which I presume Mozilla 'telemetry' gives them as well), and "messages from Firefox"Sep 21 00:40
schestowitz(which I never asked for)Sep 21 00:40
MinceR(audio:important) 21 00:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Blazing Saddles... You know, morons. - YouTubeSep 21 00:40
schestowitzit's proprietary software/clown computing behaviourSep 21 00:40
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: except US lost in VietnamSep 21 00:41
schestowitzthey killed a lot more peopleSep 21 00:41
schestowitzbut eventually the Reds took over SaigonSep 21 00:41
schestowitzand changed its name, tooSep 21 00:41
DaemonFC[m]Firefox is making people rightly angry with them because you can't even open your new tab page without them taking one of the terrorist faction's side and pissing everyone off.Sep 21 00:42
schestowitzIn North Korea it was a drawSep 21 00:42
schestowitzthey left a mess, as they often doSep 21 00:42
schestowitzUS invades countrySep 21 00:42
DaemonFC[m]Few people like Burn Loot Murder or the piggies. Sep 21 00:42
schestowitzleaves a messSep 21 00:42
schestowitzthen leavesSep 21 00:42
schestowitzthe typical waySep 21 00:42
DaemonFC[m]Implying that to hate one side means you like the other is retarded.Sep 21 00:42
schestowitzThe British did that in Palestine too, but under Turks and Romans it was a mess alsoSep 21 00:42
DaemonFC[m]I think people should just buy guns and be armed and if you were really being threatened, shoot the fucker.Sep 21 00:43
schestowitzDoes the American edu system still teach that the US did not lose in Vietnam?Sep 21 00:43
DaemonFC[m]Better judged by 12 than carried by 6. Sep 21 00:43
XRevan86MinceR: Another thing about this genuine reaction is that he has a look of "oops, I accidentally lost it" on his face %).Sep 21 00:43
MinceR:)Sep 21 00:43
schestowitzthere would not be so many south Vietnamese refugees had the US wonSep 21 00:43
schestowitzthey had to evacuate loads of peopleSep 21 00:43
schestowitzbefore fleeingSep 21 00:43
DaemonFC[m]Yes, including Joy. Ugh.Sep 21 00:43
DaemonFC[m]One of the few we need to send back. What a bitch.Sep 21 00:43
DaemonFC[m]I don't think we should still have TPS for Vietnam. The situation there is stabilized. We don't issue TPS to every Chinese person that comes here, and their government is worse than Vietnam's.Sep 21 00:44
schestowitzyou are misogynisticSep 21 00:44
schestowitzand you assume that because you're gay you'll get away with itSep 21 00:44
schestowitzbut guess what, you won't...Sep 21 00:44
DaemonFC[m]How so?Sep 21 00:45
schestowitzyou use lots of misogynistic slursSep 21 00:45
schestowitzas if it's OK, "because I am gay"Sep 21 00:45
schestowitzsame towards blacksSep 21 00:45
DaemonFC[m]We took in a lot of people because in the 1970s the North Vietnamese were coming in and killing people and they're not an unstable country now. Sep 21 00:46
schestowitz"I'm a minority, I'm gay, I can curse at other oppressed groups.."Sep 21 00:46
schestowitzUS doesn't get to just "send back" peopleSep 21 00:46
schestowitzthey're not "on loan"Sep 21 00:46
DaemonFC[m]It's like those people who fled civil wars and natural disasters in the 1990s that are over now.Sep 21 00:46
schestowitzif you think otherwise, send your family back to Ireland or whateverSep 21 00:46
schestowitzwith just 5 million people and no famine riskSep 21 00:47
DaemonFC[m]But they still have "temporary status". Well, the courts just threw that out for 400,000 people who don't need it.Sep 21 00:47
DaemonFC[m]Meanwhile, they're giving Mandy shit and me a hard time because I've exercised a legal right I have as a US Citizen.Sep 21 00:47
schestowitzMandy is newSep 21 00:47
DaemonFC[m]The people who have been here mooching off us and saying "I'm here now! No, I don't plan to use the legal option!" are what made Trump possible.Sep 21 00:47
schestowitzand there are other profound differencesSep 21 00:48
schestowitzhe was never a refugee for startersSep 21 00:48
DaemonFC[m]This DACA thing is despicable. There are no legal underpinnings for it and it should be a lot smaller than it is.Sep 21 00:48
schestowitzyou're good at mocking Trump and his sympathisersSep 21 00:48
schestowitzbut it's revealing you share a lot of their psycheSep 21 00:48
schestowitzoften in a rather hypocritical fashionSep 21 00:49
schestowitzMandy good, Joy bad..Sep 21 00:49
schestowitzTrump bad, BLM bad...Sep 21 00:49
schestowitzyou're contradicting even yourselfSep 21 00:49
DaemonFC[m]She could have applied for US citizenship for over 40 years and then panicked at the last minute because of Trump? Give me a break!Sep 21 00:49
schestowitzseems you dislike Trump mostly for his stance on sexual-type minoritiesSep 21 00:50
DaemonFC[m]This decisions could have literally been handed down at any time since 1974 and then what?Sep 21 00:50
schestowitzbecause it is not convenient to youSep 21 00:50
DaemonFC[m]Also, because he's a fucking idiot.Sep 21 00:50
DaemonFC[m]There's that. I don't respect that. Sep 21 00:50
schestowitzanyyyyywayyy..Sep 21 00:50
DaemonFC[m]He's also a criminal, openly, and he's a deadbeat and a sex offender that keeps walking away from that.Sep 21 00:51
DaemonFC[m]There's a lot of reasons I've been fuming about Trump for 4 years. He's the worst president we've had since at least the 1800s.Sep 21 00:51
MinceRthe other dayyySep 21 00:51
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: short storySep 21 00:52
DaemonFC[m]There's probably half a dozen major reasons I don't like Trump and would pick literally anyone else. I voted for Clinton, remember.Sep 21 00:52
schestowitzI can understand and I accept you have no interest in women sexually. But please refrain from using words like "bitch" here... you're not helping.Sep 21 00:52
DaemonFC[m]If you go back to what the Republicans were doing in the 60s or 70s, I might be able to support that. Sep 21 00:53
DaemonFC[m]When they had a liberal wing and were trying to do something on healthcare and the environment and stuff. Now they're just an opposition party that can't even govern when they run everything.Sep 21 00:53
DaemonFC[m]They're a parody of everything they were even 20 years ago.Sep 21 00:53
DaemonFC[m]Damn their entire party.Sep 21 00:53
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I don't think that my worldview aligns neatly with any party out there, but that applies to most people in a two party system. Sep 21 00:55
DaemonFC[m]I think if Biden wins, we'll be normal in the worst ways, including all of the usual foreign meddling that we don't need to be involved in and just cost money.Sep 21 00:55
schestowitzyupSep 21 00:56
DaemonFC[m]There's a limited number of situations right now where I think it suits us to be involved. The situation in Taiwan is a big one and it's where we need to be focused.Sep 21 00:56
DaemonFC[m]If the Chinese invade, they'll be even worse to them than they are to Hong Kong. Sep 21 00:56
schestowitzThe wave of fascistic, intolerant, hating politics might stop spreading to other countriesSep 21 00:56
schestowitzTrump actively promotes hate and division, inc. BrexitSep 21 00:56
schestowitzchina does not need to 'invade' TaiwanSep 21 00:57
schestowitzthey are already inSep 21 00:57
schestowitzthey just assert more powers over timeSep 21 00:57
schestowitzsame as in HKSep 21 00:57
schestowitzand then people lash out at themSep 21 00:57
schestowitzand eventually they can and often do get their waySep 21 00:57
schestowitze.g. security lawSep 21 00:57
schestowitz(extradition) Sep 21 00:58
DaemonFC[m]The government is still interested in defending themselves from an actual invasion.Sep 21 00:58
DaemonFC[m]I'd say there are major important differences and if China senses that they can do it without taking staggering losses, they will.Sep 21 00:58
DaemonFC[m]Hong Kong was different because the UK more or less accepted words that were obviously nothing but empty lies, pulled up the stakes, and left.Sep 21 01:00
DaemonFC[m]It was always a matter of if, not when.Sep 21 01:00
DaemonFC[m]*err, when not ifSep 21 01:00
smnthermes> ‎[20:12:54] ‎schestowitz‎: Messages from FirefoxSep 21 01:01
smnthermesMozilla died in 2011Sep 21 01:01
DaemonFC[m]There's nothing that the PRC has ever said or done, even in 1997, that would lead to believe that they could be trusted. Sep 21 01:01
smnthermes 21 01:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | In Memoriam - MozillaSep 21 01:01
schestowitzsmnthermes: why this year specifically?Sep 21 01:01
DaemonFC[m]They also have committed to a series of major fuck ups, but for some reason everyone thinks they're all crafty and smart and efficient. Sep 21 01:01
schestowitzthere was gal writing chrome/google had wonSep 21 01:01
schestowitzthen the eich debacleSep 21 01:01
schestowitzthe drm debacleSep 21 01:01
schestowitzand lots moreSep 21 01:02
schestowitz"Today we look back to the life of Mozilla, a company that was best known for creating the Firefox web browser. I remember a company that made the web better and more open by providing a browser that was faster and more customizable than anyone had ever seen, and by making that browser free and open source."Sep 21 01:02
schestowitz"Mozilla continued to improve their web browser, and I loved it. As I grew up and learned more about techology and started making my way into programming I loved it even more. I remember a time when I would tell my friends that I’d gladly appoint Mozilla as the steward of the open internet over the W3C. Firefox continued to evolve and allow for even more customiziability. Firefox truly became a hacker’s web browser."Sep 21 01:02
DaemonFC[m]Mitchell Baker doesn't have a background in Free Software.Sep 21 01:02
schestowitzAh, they used to have many extensionsSep 21 01:02
schestowitzthey killed almost all of themSep 21 01:02
DaemonFC[m]She's the one that wrote the MPL 1 that let Netscape and nobody else relicense such code as proprietary.Sep 21 01:03
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: but she was there from the startSep 21 01:03
DaemonFC[m]Then other software that wasn't even Mozilla's started using that license, and that right would go to Microsoft and then Facebook.Sep 21 01:03
schestowitz"Chrome adopted a versioning scheme that made Mozilla nervous. They didn’t like being Firefox 4 next to Chrome 11. They made the first of many compromises when they switched to bumping the major version with each release. Mozilla died in April of 2011."Sep 21 01:03
schestowitzso that's what he calls death/Sep 21 01:03
schestowitzVersion inflationSep 21 01:03
schestowitzWell, a superficial criterionSep 21 01:03
MinceRmaybe that's when they switched goals from making the best web browser to making an inferior clone of crashiumSep 21 01:05
schestowitzhehSep 21 01:05
schestowitzwith multi-process arch chrome was designed to make crashes acceptableSep 21 01:06
schestowitz"it's dead jib"Sep 21 01:06
schestowitz*jimSep 21 01:06
schestowitz"oops"Sep 21 01:06
schestowitzrefresh pageSep 21 01:06
schestowitz'only' the tab crashedSep 21 01:06
schestowitzFirefox releases too oftenSep 21 01:06
DaemonFC[m]Google is dictating the web now, and Mozilla does nothing except copy it. It's always "Just this one more thing." now, and it's always one more thing.Sep 21 01:06
schestowitznot enough testingSep 21 01:06
DaemonFC[m]Including the DRM.Sep 21 01:06
schestowitzDebian does ESRsSep 21 01:06
schestowitzI  debian I use 68.10.0esr (64-bit)Sep 21 01:07
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: You can grab Firefox ESR in Ubuntu, either in Snap form or PPA.Sep 21 01:07
schestowitzscrew Ubuntu tbhSep 21 01:09
schestowitzthey only now realise they have no community anymoreSep 21 01:09
schestowitzafter ben kensela or whatever his name was confronts mark shuttlecockySep 21 01:09
schestowitzthey used to be community-orientedSep 21 01:09
schestowitzthey hired part of the communitySep 21 01:09
schestowitze.g. popeySep 21 01:09
schestowitzand now they push snaps and don't care what anyone thinksSep 21 01:10
schestowitzso they're no better than corporate distrosSep 21 01:10
MinceRit _is_ a corporate distroSep 21 01:10
schestowitzit isSep 21 01:10
MinceRfrom canonical, orbiter of microshitSep 21 01:10
schestowitzfedora is less soSep 21 01:10
MinceRfedora is just as much soSep 21 01:10
schestowitzfedora seems to have more community element than ubuntu nowSep 21 01:10
schestowitzeven under ibmSep 21 01:10
MinceRfedora pushes hedrat's toxic shit earlySep 21 01:11
MinceRthey were the first distro to push cancerd as defaultSep 21 01:11
MinceRthen again, maybe the cancerd cabal and proprietardydesktop are the "community" for themSep 21 01:11
MinceRs/rdy/ry/Sep 21 01:11
smnthermesWhy not call it "enslaveddesktop"?Sep 21 01:13
schestowitz[01:11] <MinceR> they were the first distro to push cancerd as defaultSep 21 01:13
schestowitzunderstandable given where it came fromSep 21 01:13
MinceRwhich is exactly my pointSep 21 01:13
MinceRthey don't give two shits about the communitySep 21 01:13
schestowitzthat's the general directionSep 21 01:14
MinceRthey parasitize the community like their comrades doSep 21 01:14
schestowitzI think we're one of the very few sites that speak about it and try to do something about itSep 21 01:14
MinceRand they were the other ones beside canonical who paid microshit for the uefi racketSep 21 01:14
schestowitzthere are few other such sitesSep 21 01:14
schestowitzbut they're less activeSep 21 01:14
schestowitzRed Hat is also in bed with MicrosoftSep 21 01:15
schestowitzalmost as much as Canonical... almostSep 21 01:15
schestowitzthey shill WSL a lot lessSep 21 01:15
DaemonFC[m]I use 2FA and randomly generated strong passwords. I had a couple of account takeovers (nothing important) that got my attention.Sep 21 01:18
DaemonFC[m]Since I started doing this on everything, it hasn't happened again.Sep 21 01:18
DaemonFC[m]Someone took over a Disney account I used to use for Disney Movie Rewards codes. Most used blu rays on ebay, the codes still worked because nobody ever used them.Sep 21 01:20
DaemonFC[m]A spotify (free) account.Sep 21 01:20
schestowitz'free'Sep 21 01:29
XRevan86т.е. даромSep 21 01:31
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schestowitzTechnical Evangelist Pam Edstromm?Sep 21 01:55
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XRevan86"i.e. gratis", it's an old reference from the Winnie the Pooh cartoon.Sep 21 02:05
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Review: Garuda Linux 200817 []Sep 21 02:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 503 @ )Sep 21 02:18
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Latest Progress on KDE Themes and KTechLab []Sep 21 02:20
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MinceRError 503 certificate has expiredSep 21 02:25
MinceRxkcd blows it againSep 21 02:25
MinceRat least i can view it at explainxkcd.comSep 21 02:26
schestowitznmon is really awesomeSep 21 02:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | nmon for Linux | Main / HomePageSep 21 02:27
schestowitzMinceR: yes, I noticedSep 21 02:27
schestowitzI use nmon a lot todaySep 21 02:27
schestowitzit has several good modsSep 21 02:27
schestowitzlike historical charting of cpu usage in the cluSep 21 02:27
schestowitzcliSep 21 02:27
schestowitzwith coloursSep 21 02:27
schestowitzso it gets your attention when it needs to Sep 21 02:27
schestowitztoo bad older centos don't have it in tum reposSep 21 02:27
schestowitzyumSep 21 02:27
MinceRinterestingSep 21 02:28
schestowitzsame for htop for that matterSep 21 02:28
schestowitzmaybe epel has somethingSep 21 02:28
schestowitzanyway, red hat sucksSep 21 02:28
schestowitzdebian has far more extensive reposSep 21 02:28
schestowitznot sure about alpine, did not check muchSep 21 02:28
MinceRvoidlinux does have nmonSep 21 02:29
schestowitzdid you try it?Sep 21 02:31
schestowitzI recently checked LOOOOADS of these toolsSep 21 02:31
schestowitzmonitoring our serversSep 21 02:31
schestowitzfor quicker response to incidents, mostly ddosSep 21 02:31
schestowitztmux still confuses meSep 21 02:32
schestowitzthe keyboard shortcuts there are awfulSep 21 02:32
MinceRyesSep 21 02:32
schestowitzlike shortcuts that need 4 fingersSep 21 02:32
MinceRnmon seems to take a bit more learning than htop :>Sep 21 02:32
schestowitzctrl+b+shift+%Sep 21 02:32
schestowitzcan't imagine it's good for people with disabilitiesSep 21 02:32
MinceRyou can just press ctrl+b and then shift+5Sep 21 02:34
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schestowitzjust taught myself some htop tricksSep 21 02:59
schestowitzthe menu there (f2) has so many optionsSep 21 02:59
schestowitztmux has problematic as the cheat sheets are all 'wrong'Sep 21 02:59
schestowitzdifferent platforms, different shortcuts, or maybe different versionsSep 21 02:59
schestowitzso the documentation is all messed upSep 21 02:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NorthernGather2: @Danny_boyo7 @danjk78 @BylineTV Oh right! Thanks for that info. I'm always suspicious of those who throw money arou… 21 03:39
schestowitz"Sep 21 03:39
schestowitzOh right! Thanks for that info. I'm always suspicious of those who throw money around and are found to be liars...Sep 21 03:39
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schestowitz"Sep 21 03:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Former Microsoft Employee Explains the Deception, Lies, and ‘Philanthropy’ of Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein | TechrightsSep 21 03:39
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: It doesn't look like there's any crap and Burn Loot Murder spam in the ESR version of Firefox.Sep 21 05:04
schestowitzwhy use that term?Sep 21 05:28
schestowitzare you an anti-black activist now?Sep 21 05:28
schestowitzdemonising millions of people?Sep 21 05:29
schestowitzstigmatising them as criminals?Sep 21 05:29
schestowitzOr are you doing Fox News part-timing?Sep 21 05:29
schestowitzTo help a racist Trump campaign?Sep 21 05:29
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: want to read an article about CoC?Sep 21 05:35
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schestowitzIt's almost done, I think it's goodSep 21 05:35
DaemonFC[m]I'm not a Trump voter.Sep 21 05:36
schestowitzI knowSep 21 05:36
schestowitzbut when you call BLM that... you help him winSep 21 05:36
schestowitzhe's using the conspiracy cardSep 21 05:36
schestowitzcalling BLM communist plot and stuff...Sep 21 05:36
schestowitz"antifa"Sep 21 05:36
schestowitz"unpatriotic"Sep 21 05:36
schestowitz"ungrateful"Sep 21 05:37
schestowitz"criminal"Sep 21 05:37
DaemonFC[m]They're not Communists. I doubt they're smart enough to even be political.Sep 21 05:37
schestowitzto distract from his own crimesSep 21 05:37
schestowitzand his associates'Sep 21 05:37
schestowitzthat's his strategySep 21 05:37
DaemonFC[m]If they wanted to change the system, they'd vote instead of racking up felonies. Sep 21 05:37
schestowitzcalling a criminal "law and order" candidateSep 21 05:37
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: take a quick look: 21 05:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Daniel Pocock on Codes of Conduct and Their Potential Dangers in Practice | TechrightsSep 21 05:38
DaemonFC[m]The problem is that low IQ white people are smart enough to know they can terrorize the other side if they vote, so they cause all kinds of problems.Sep 21 05:38
DaemonFC[m]Most white crime that goes on is stuff like drugs and shit. You don't bother them, they don't bother you.Sep 21 05:38
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #DanielPocock on Codes of Conduct and Their Potential Dangers in Practice #freespeech #FreeSW #fedora #debian []Sep 21 05:38
DaemonFC[m]The reason why everyone is afraid of black people is that so much of it spills over into people who weren't even involved.Sep 21 05:39
DaemonFC[m]They just open fire on each other at a McDonalds or something and if you're there, you're just screwed.Sep 21 05:39
DaemonFC[m]Yes, there's a lot of white drug crime, but they're smart enough to not bring the cops down on them by killing bystanders. Sep 21 05:40
DaemonFC[m]For the most part.Sep 21 05:40
DaemonFC[m]You get pinched by drawing attention and committing major felonies and minor misdemeanors pointlessly and not covering it up very well.Sep 21 05:41
DaemonFC[m]Hmm, I needed to turn off EASE for Techrights again.Sep 21 05:41
DaemonFC[m]Not surprising. New Firefox (ESR) profile. Sep 21 05:42
DaemonFC[m]double-standardsSep 21 05:43
DaemonFC[m]Does that need a hyphen?Sep 21 05:43
schestowitzmaybe notSep 21 05:45
DaemonFC[m]"If his speech if suppressed"Sep 21 05:45
schestowitzlet me correct thatSep 21 05:45
DaemonFC[m]isSep 21 05:45
schestowitzyes, I saw and fixed thisSep 21 05:45
schestowitzamendedSep 21 05:45
DaemonFC[m] injustice be seeSep 21 05:47
DaemonFC[m]seenSep 21 05:47
schestowitzyes, I corrected this earlierSep 21 05:48
schestowitzwe both saw the same two typosSep 21 05:48
schestowitzI changed double standard alsoSep 21 05:49
schestowitzI thought there was a hyphenSep 21 05:49
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oiaohmschestowitz: on code of conduct I would not mix Linux foundation run code of conduct with the debian run one.  Sep 21 06:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Linux Kernel Contributor Covenant Code of Conduct Interpretation — The Linux Kernel documentationSep 21 06:46
oiaohmschestowitz: "In the end, “be kind to each other” is really what the end goal is for everybody. We know everyone is human and we all fail at times, but the primary goal for all of us should be to work toward amicable resolutions of problems. Enforcement of the code of conduct will only be a last resort option."Sep 21 06:46
oiaohmLinux kernel rules of "code of conduct" usage are clear that what happened with debian code of conduct is not acceptable.  Sep 21 06:47
oiaohmschestowitz: "Maintainers are responsible for clarifying the standards of acceptable behavior and are expected to take appropriate and fair corrective action in response to any instances of unacceptable behavior."  << This is also in the Linux kernel code of conduct.Sep 21 06:52
oiaohmNotice the requirement for fair corrective action.Sep 21 06:52
oiaohm   Read over the debian code of conduct.   Darn there ids no requirement for corrective action to be fairSep 21 06:53
schestowitzI seeSep 21 06:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Debian Code of ConductSep 21 06:53
oiaohmSo booting someone out with out a fair hearing by someone is totally acceptable by debian code of conduct and totally not acceptable by Linux kernel code of conduct or Linux foundation code of conducts.Sep 21 06:54
oiaohmschestowitz: the Linux kernel code of conduct you have some rights.   Debian code of conduct you don't have rights.Sep 21 06:55
oiaohmPlease note Linux kernel current code of conduct is a improvement over the old "code of conflict"  because the old "code of conflict" you had no right to a fair process either.Sep 21 06:56
DarwinElfw/Linux code of conduct (CoC) you have varying rights...Sep 21 06:56
DarwinElfnot really...Sep 21 06:57
oiaohmDarwinElf: the way its written you do have some with the Linux CoC compared to the Debian one where you in the document have none.Sep 21 06:57
oiaohmLinux kernel one could still improve with more written in rights.Sep 21 06:58
DarwinElfnot really.  They need to remove it and return to meritocracy (or Platonic republic)Sep 21 06:59
DarwinElfit's unsurprising; Socrates & Plato explained in detail why democracy fails... even when I first heard of GNU/Linux in 1997, I expected that to happen to Debian... surprised it didn't happen much sooner.  Of course, it doesn't happen in case of benevolent dictator for life (BDFL, philosopher-king) like Slackware (the only problem is who is a successor of a great leader)Sep 21 06:59
DarwinElfLinus should take his rightful place back as philosopher-king of Linux Foundation (LF) and all his software projects (Linux kernel, git, a text editor, whatever else)Sep 21 07:01
DarwinElfhe learned it's better to avoid or tone down conflict.  That's all that was necessary.  Good code is good code; average code is average code; bad code is bad code.  There should be no special privilege for lower-quality codeSep 21 07:01
oiaohmDarwinElf: god no not a  "Platonic republic"   we are talking 10 huge books of rulings.Sep 21 07:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Republic (Plato) - WikipediaSep 21 07:01
DarwinElfof course, there are modern updates to the theory, as intellectuals tend to not believe in Greek gods... this is obvious if one had studied itSep 21 07:02
oiaohm Platonic republic makes the code of conduct look like a minor problem.Sep 21 07:02
DarwinElfit's what meritocracy is.  Programmer/hacker culture is an informal Platonic republicSep 21 07:03
DarwinElfhe called it aristocracy ('rule by the best,' synonym of 'rule by the meritorious') then nobles claimed they were the best.Sep 21 07:03
oiaohmYou don't ever want a formal Platonic republicSep 21 07:03
DarwinElfit's the only thing that could save this worldSep 21 07:03
DarwinElfit should be worldwideSep 21 07:03
DarwinElfwith modern updates as in the specific modern huge school of philosophy that continued Classical Greek ideasSep 21 07:04
oiaohmI had to do a debate once against Platonic republic  I have been though all 10 books of a formal platonic republicSep 21 07:04
DarwinElfthat is, German Idealism, in this caseSep 21 07:04
oiaohmDarwinElf:  is not in fact a form of a Platonic republic and does not come from PlatoSep 21 07:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Meritocracy - WikipediaSep 21 07:05
DarwinElfevery other system has been a failure.  It's a synonym.  Of course, others had their own versions since ancient times, like Aristotle's republicSep 21 07:06
DarwinElfobscure German Idealists arguing for it do use it as a synonym, as anyone can see from the etymology (aristocracy, meritocracy)Sep 21 07:06
oiaohmMeritocracy history is not greek if you go far enough back it China.Sep 21 07:07
DarwinElfearlier 1900s claiming wealth is merit and they should use that for other merit, or that that caused meritocracy to fail (merit isn't wealth though) don't have a clue what they're talking aboutSep 21 07:07
DarwinElfyes.  It's bothSep 21 07:07
DarwinElf'earlier 1900s "writers"'Sep 21 07:07
DarwinElfthose 1900s writers didn't research the term like the German Idealists did...Sep 21 07:08
DarwinElfwhich started with Descartes, his country being partly Germanic.  It's still going on with much more activity than people realize, because most people aren't anything close to rationalist idealist (like Platonist but also Leibnizian)Sep 21 07:08
oiaohmMeritocracy goes back to Chinese philosopher Confucius.   Of course the greeks did study lots of documents from other countries.Sep 21 07:08
DarwinElfand Chinese philosopher Mo-tzu.  Greeks contacted India but unsure they read anything from China.  Doesn't matter though.  Independent cultures made same ideas/discoveriesSep 21 07:09
DarwinElfConfucian & Mohist ideas should be taken into account: as I said, modern updates, but also with international thoughtSep 21 07:09
oiaohmTo be correct the greeks did not update the meaning of MeritocracySep 21 07:10
oiaohmThey changed the name of it.Sep 21 07:10
oiaohmBut meaning stayed the same.Sep 21 07:10
DarwinElfi never said they did, but I never heard of them changing the nameSep 21 07:10
oiaohmMeritocracy  is a greek wordSep 21 07:11
DarwinElfEuropean nobles further North probably changed the meaning with a false claim "I'm the best"Sep 21 07:11
DarwinElfit has a Greek suffix, but not sure about prefix, because they already had 'aristocracy'Sep 21 07:11
oiaohmLatin and GreekSep 21 07:12
oiaohmStart of it is latin end is greekSep 21 07:12
DarwinElfwhen you read Plato's Republic or Aristotle's Republic, the translation is from 'aristocracy' (their title) to 'republic' (English title)Sep 21 07:12
oiaohmmerit, from Latin mereō, is the first part.Sep 21 07:13
DarwinElf1790s France was a branch of the same ideas, which came up with some modern improvements (Rousseau's 'Social Contract') but were forced into taking things too far, which led to a collapse (but then French partly-success under Napoleonic empire)Sep 21 07:13
oiaohmyes the china equal to Meritocary starts with the china word for merit.Sep 21 07:13
DarwinElfyeah, so that may have been the Latin/Roman/Italian translation of the particular Plato & Aristotle books.  Actually Aristotle's is usually translated as Politics, but from exact same word or conceptSep 21 07:14
schestowitzdoes the origin of the word matter?Sep 21 07:14
oiaohmcracy is κράτος kratos "strength, power" from greek.Sep 21 07:14
DarwinElfno.  What matters is when the rich (European kings, or 1900s capitalist intellectuals claiming 'wealth is merit') distort the terms, then people don't understand how great the systems really would be (with international combination and modern updates)Sep 21 07:15
DarwinElfof course, because the Romans adopted Greek culture in almost every way, also some suffixes...Sep 21 07:15
DarwinElfactually it seems 'merit' is from middle English (according to Wiktionary, which isn't always great, just large)Sep 21 07:16
oiaohmaristocracy is pure greek.    Greek ἀριστοκρατία aristokratía, from ἄριστος aristos 'excellent'       Yes aristocracy straight word translation is Excellent PowerSep 21 07:17
DarwinElftranslation of the prefix & suffix separately, but not so much their combination into a new wordSep 21 07:17
DarwinElfwith even prefix & suffix having multiple meanings, at least when combined in new words.  Just word-to-word separately doesn't really make it clear for most peopleSep 21 07:18
oiaohmIn case of Meritocracy   the words that make it up are design to have meaning.   Merit based Power is that the china word it comes from means.Sep 21 07:19
DarwinElfit comes from all such ancient systemsSep 21 07:19
DarwinElfif you tried to 'translate' 'democracy' with as a simplistic method (good start, but needs more) it's even more confusing: could sound like power of a town (not necessarily people, or popular masses)Sep 21 07:21
DarwinElfwith even in ancient times, usually not just talking about power but an implementation of government (other than perhaps, power of an autocrat/tyrant, but normally has enforcers doing his bidding)Sep 21 07:21
oiaohmMeritocracy word comes from Chinese sentence basically stating its meaning.Sep 21 07:22
oiaohmThis with words does not happen that oftenSep 21 07:22
DarwinElfit translates to that but doesn't come from that, rather than normal modern English using middle English & ancient Greek prefix & suffixSep 21 07:22
oiaohmProgressive translation loss.Sep 21 07:23
DarwinElfand as such, you have to look back to ancient Greek in addition (Plato, Aristotle, and modern philosophy that saw the synonym)Sep 21 07:23
DarwinElftranslationg just to an ancient equivalent, either way, both languages normally have multiple other meanings, and multiple other connotationsSep 21 07:23
oiaohmThat is fun that ancient Greek you see latin start and ancient greek end with the word Meritocary its a imported idea.Sep 21 07:24
DarwinElfi don't consider it one (in context of earlier interconnected Western culture) but almost everything is imported everywhere these days.  Doesn't matterSep 21 07:25
DarwinElfMichael Faust and (current-day) Adam Weishaupt, and perhaps people who wrote on social capitalism & market socialism sometimes wrote more on the synonyms (Platonic and Aristotelean republics/aristocracy, meritocracy) in both Greek, Chinese, and modern philosophical senses (but rejecting 'wealth is excellence/merit')Sep 21 07:26
DarwinElfever since the Roman republic, people tried to implement such ideas.  Actually their republic came to take on a new meaning (separation of powers,) nevertheless, was inspired.  When I say 'republic' I mean in both ancient senses (and taking relevant similar ideas from everywhere, like Confucians, Mohists, 1790s France, whatever)Sep 21 07:29
DarwinElfand programmer/hacker cultureSep 21 07:29
oiaohmConfusiams  is where the meaning of Meritocary comes from.Sep 21 07:30
DarwinElfin China, yes, but not elsewhereSep 21 07:30
DarwinElfexcept partiallySep 21 07:30
oiaohmElsewhere as well.Sep 21 07:30
DarwinElfpartiallySep 21 07:30
oiaohmHow it got to greek was due to power change in China so lot of Confusism people left china.Sep 21 07:31
oiaohmSo not partialy.Sep 21 07:31
DarwinElfi don't believe it got to Greece from China.  Maybe it did...Sep 21 07:31
DarwinElfdoes it make sense why 'merit' is like a clearer definition of 'excellent?'  To anyone up-to-date on German Idealism (largely rationalist) in context of continuing Classical Greek ((neo)pythagorean-(neo)platonic, etc.) rationalist idealism, it doesSep 21 07:32
oiaohmRemember the greek and china are part of the old 207 BCESep 21 07:33
DarwinElfi don't know what that meansSep 21 07:33
oiaohmsilk roadSep 21 07:33
oiaohmSo knowledge moved along that.Sep 21 07:33
oiaohmNot just goodsSep 21 07:33
DarwinElfPlato explained why desire, opinion, wealth, strength, aren't merit, but knowledge, expertise/talent, effort/work, etc. areSep 21 07:34
DarwinElfstrength might partly be merit, that's why he liked Sparta & Crete, but without knowledge & intelligence or usage with expertise, effort, strength isn't complete meritSep 21 07:35
DarwinElfthat's why those German Idealists (some claiming to be continuing Pythagoreanism, and saying Plato did) recognized thatSep 21 07:36
oiaohmThat was redoing what was already in Confusiams 600 BCESep 21 07:36
DarwinElfmaybe... and then I'm correct on the synonyms: they'd have translated Confucian & Mohist 'meritocracy' into Plato & Aristotle's ideasSep 21 07:37
oiaohmMeritocracy appears in some of Plato writings as a reference.Sep 21 07:37
oiaohmSo its a really old thing.Sep 21 07:38
oiaohmPlato and Aristotle attempt to expand the idea from Confucians and screw particular things up. Sep 21 07:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Firefox bans free speech commenting plugin Dissenter from its extensions gallery | Hacker NewsSep 21 07:40
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: What's your take on this?Sep 21 07:40
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Firefox 81 Is Now Available for Download, Here’s What’s New []Sep 21 07:40
oiaohmDarwinElf:   the orginal Confusian define of Merit is a lot simpler.Sep 21 07:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Confucianism: Merit SystemSep 21 07:41
DaemonFC[m]Firefox took this down last year. It creates a comments section on every web page where people can say whatever they want and it isn't moderated.Sep 21 07:41
oiaohmDarwinElf: Plato goes and gets lost trying to define it.Sep 21 07:42
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: gab is a tricky oneSep 21 07:43
schestowitzto understand why you need to see gab from the insideSep 21 07:43
schestowitz(I did)Sep 21 07:43
oiaohmmeritocracy comes the base to all our education system exams.Sep 21 07:44
DaemonFC[m]What is Gab?Sep 21 07:44
schestowitzstarted as pro-trumpSep 21 07:44
schestowitzor bucket of deplorableSep 21 07:44
schestowitzover time it became more like daily stormer, loads of neonazis thereSep 21 07:44
schestowitzand people who favour ethnic cleansingSep 21 07:44
schestowitz(not all, but more over time)Sep 21 07:44
schestowitzAriadne can tell you moreSep 21 07:45
schestowitzshe favoured banning the whole thing from fediverseSep 21 07:45
schestowitztoo much lethal toxicitySep 21 07:45
schestowitzI got many death threats from thereSep 21 07:46
DarwinElftheory of Plato's Republic isn't just the Republic book's 10 chapters, but that's the theory, then they get more specific in a second book, Plato's Laws.  Every other of the dozens of Platonic dialogues either build up to Republic (mostly) or Laws (and maybe any other later ones) then detail more.  So if you've read only Republic, you really don't have anything but a most basic, partial overview...Sep 21 07:46
schestowitzthe site's 'chiefs' (racist kids who never grew up) didn't take the threat seriously until it was too lateSep 21 07:46
schestowitzand by that point, nobody of any value was still participating in gab, it became an underground echo chamber of derelicts whom you'd report to the FBI any day or hourSep 21 07:47
DarwinElfmore formally it's Republic & Laws, but you need to be familiar with ideas in all his earlier dialogues (or other commentary)Sep 21 07:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ » Blog Archive » Gab is Not a Site That Tolerates Nazis. It is a Nazi Site That Bans People Who Object to Nazism. It’s a Censorship Site With a Dangerous Agenda.Sep 21 07:48
schestowitzThink antifa banningSep 21 07:48
schestowitzand support for fasicts ansd militiasSep 21 07:48
schestowitzyou have a WHITE house like this nowSep 21 07:48
schestowitzapropos: last night... 21 07:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | As Anti-Fascist T-Shirts Are Removed, Far Right Apparel Remains on Retailer SiteSep 21 07:48
schestowitzsays it all really...Sep 21 07:49
schestowitzfascism is becoming the normSep 21 07:49
schestowitzhate is OKSep 21 07:49
DarwinElfi've seen a 'fediverse' appear & disappear & reappear at least one or two times... don't know what it is anymore.  It maybe appeared on then was replaced with GNU Social, then Mastodon was added on and separated out... before that, maybe separate software Diaspora mentioned a Fediverse.  I don't know what it is.  All I saw is it appearing then getting replaced with new software and also splitting apart...Sep 21 07:49
schestowitzopposing hate is what you call "Burn Loot Murder"... the "useful idiot" you unwittingly became for these fascistsSep 21 07:49
schestowitzwho doctor photos to make it seem like antifa supports crimeSep 21 07:49
schestowitzand create fake accoutns in Twitter and FBSep 21 07:50
schestowitzwith the name "antifa" and stuffSep 21 07:50
schestowitz Twitter and FB belatedly deleted theseSep 21 07:50
schestowitzrealising these were right-wing fakesSep 21 07:50
oiaohmDarwinElf: there are corrections to the second book in the latter books.Sep 21 07:50
schestowitzdesigned to frame opposition to ethnostate fascistsSep 21 07:50
oiaohmDarwinElf: so yes it turns horrible as a debate topic.Sep 21 07:50
schestowitzDarwinElf: ask XRevan86Sep 21 07:51
schestowitzhe knows better than me the compatibility historySep 21 07:51
schestowitzas he still uses statusnet iircSep 21 07:51
schestowitzor gnu sociaklSep 21 07:51
schestowitzwhich afaik is a direct successor of itSep 21 07:52
schestowitzpleroma is related in some sense as wellSep 21 07:52
schestowitzmastodon is built from scratchSep 21 07:52
schestowitzit apparently lost compatibility with statusnet/gnu social and never quite fulfilled the goal of unifying with diaspora which is a shame as platform gain value quadradically if # of active users grows linearlySep 21 07:53
DarwinElfyeah, I meant StatusNet... I was on that...Sep 21 07:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Quadratic reciprocity - WikipediaSep 21 07:53
schestowitzI am still on thatSep 21 07:54
schestowitzBut no longer posting to because it's a dead zoneSep 21 07:54
schestowitzonly zombies still post to it, I thinkSep 21 07:54
schestowitzzero interactionsSep 21 07:54
schestowitzand they removed all the past dataSep 21 07:54
schestowitzEvan canned everything nearly a decade back, maybe 8 yearsSep 21 07:54
schestowitzand it killed the momentum of itSep 21 07:54
DarwinElfif you say they somehow knew of Conficious (not sure about Mo-tzu) then misinterpreted, then I can see why... however, anyone really into that stuff (as tend to be subjects of positive freedom/liberty (freedom for, good of all) not negative liberty (freedom from, rugged individualism)) would tend to say there should be modern updates (even rare right-wingers who misinterpreted/admired Plato, whom really fits more under farthest-left-wing, or at Sep 21 07:55
DarwinElfleast similar progressive medium-left)Sep 21 07:55
DarwinElfso when I say 'Platonic republic,' that doesn't mean adhering literally to 2300-year-old books rather than using their principle of continual dialectical search for more truth (with corrections what they may have thought before)Sep 21 07:57
DarwinElfi didn't say "Plato's Republic" (taking it literally) but 'Platonic' (continued dialectic) in the first place...Sep 21 07:58
DaemonFC[m]I know what I saw with the looting in Waukegan.Sep 21 07:59
DaemonFC[m]They're "derelicts" and bums who haven't _ever_ worked a day in their life decades before anyone ever heard of COVID-19.Sep 21 08:00
DaemonFC[m]They have excuses for everything their sorry asses manage to do.Sep 21 08:00
DarwinElfsome parts would lose in almost any modern debate... that's the point of dialectic: replace outdated ideas.  They're overall right 2300 years later (in principle of who should govern, but not some specific laws or a few disproven principles.)Sep 21 08:00
DaemonFC[m]George Floyd died so we have to destroy stores and steal everything down to the car batteries!Sep 21 08:01
DaemonFC[m]It has nothing to do with Floyd at some point and it's just a bunch of bums and losers who don't want to make an honest dollar.Sep 21 08:01
DaemonFC[m]Chicago area entertained the idea of giving out free shit for so long that hundreds of thousands of them settled in the area, and for a long time it was mostly in one building because it was a skyscraper full of income based housing.Sep 21 08:02
DarwinElfwell, quite a few African-Americans especially since 2016, but it's not a reason to do those things.  There's an original, nonviolent Black Lives Matter (BLM) informal group (whom just wants justice) and a separate formally-led group (whom just wants to replace current society, formally-run by people using historical theory linked to violence)Sep 21 08:03
DaemonFC[m]The woman would get in and fill out the papers going "I'm a single mom and nobody knows where the father is." and then they'd move in the father off the lease after lying about everything to get cheap rent. Sep 21 08:03
DaemonFC[m]The father would sling drugs.Sep 21 08:03
DaemonFC[m]There were rapes in the elevators and bullets flying through the walls.Sep 21 08:03
DaemonFC[m]Almost everyone who was there describes it as worse than Hell.Sep 21 08:03
DaemonFC[m]The Mayor of Chicago moved in for a while in like 1992 and even with an emergency escape door they installed for her and round the clock Chicago Police, she was chased out of there by the scum in 2 weeks.Sep 21 08:04
DaemonFC[m]Turned into a major PR disaster, so they took a wrecking ball to it, but the criminals and welfare queens just spread out all over the city, and that's why things are still so fucked up there.Sep 21 08:05
DarwinElfi understand why they'd want to ban extremists from Fediverse (whatever it is now) but it's not something anyone truly upholding USA Constitution First Amendment could support (but Constitutions in the rest of the 'Western' world support.)  Part of the whole reason is to get bad speech out there and argue against (maybe even reform some) extremists rather than driving them to be underground militant groups...Sep 21 08:06
DaemonFC[m]I'm not a fan of having that going on, but the Republicans are bringing on the hardest times we've seen in many generations and it's just, you know, it's pouring gasoline on the fire.Sep 21 08:06
DaemonFC[m]Because you have the shitheads who would be shitheads no matter how many jobs and stuff there are, PLUS there's millions more people who become poor and turn to crime who never would have if the economy was okay.Sep 21 08:06
DarwinElfi'm not saying that's the best method (USA First Amendment) but *is* the method (from RMS) that led to Free/Libre Software (FLS)Sep 21 08:06
DaemonFC[m]I wouldn't say I'm an extremist. I'm just saying the truth.Sep 21 08:07
DaemonFC[m]A lot of these people are bums and if there were 1 million new job openings in Illinois tomorrow, they'd still be lowlifes and criminal scum who wouldn't even try to straighten out. Sep 21 08:08
DarwinElfjournallists/media in USA has been attacked by government, but the average US citizen on the street can make extreme criticism in audio/video/TV they can't anywhere else in the world (without fines/jail/prison)Sep 21 08:08
DaemonFC[m]The "protesters" are always doing things to provoke the police and then when there's a crackdown, it's that part that gets reported and nothing else.Sep 21 08:09
DarwinElfwell, for extreme ideas/ideologies other than Communism, they can criticize the rest in China, because China never changed from marxist to the politically-correct branch of liberalism/neomarxismSep 21 08:09
DarwinElf'Marxist' (should've capitalized)Sep 21 08:09
DaemonFC[m]It's a psyop to make it look like the cops are just out there shooting rubber bullets and teargas at people for standing on a sidewalk holding a sign.Sep 21 08:09
DarwinElfboth sides involve psyops...Sep 21 08:10
DaemonFC[m]The reason the police don't "attack" gun rights protests and stuff is because they stand there holding signs and not a hell of a lot else.Sep 21 08:11
DarwinElfyes.  However, after republic/democracy breaks down it'll be psyops about which extremists can convince the masses they're right...Sep 21 08:11
DarwinElfis that the case for African-American gun rights' activists though?Sep 21 08:11
DaemonFC[m]In Michigan there were black gun rights activists that had a protest and nobody did shit to them.Sep 21 08:12
DaemonFC[m]If you're not burning things and looting and shooting at the cops it's amazing how you don't get "attacked" innit? Sep 21 08:12
DarwinElfi'm surprised, or that at least various sides weren't out to ruin it for their own ends...Sep 21 08:12
DaemonFC[m]I don't care enough to protest, because I know that's where it could go.Sep 21 08:13
DaemonFC[m]No matter what it is, people on the other side could show up and be more insane and people get killed.Sep 21 08:14
schestowitz 21 08:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Daniel Pocock on Codes of Conduct and Their Potential Dangers in Practice | TechrightsSep 21 08:14
DaemonFC[m]They had anti-abortion protests outside planned parenthood in waukegan.Sep 21 08:14
DaemonFC[m]Fuck if I care. It got built. It's not going anywhere.Sep 21 08:14
DaemonFC[m]I hope they abort a lot of potential criminals and I can live in like 5% less fear of being mugged in 12-15 years. Sep 21 08:15
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: 21 08:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Abortion and Crime, Revisited (Ep. 384) - Freakonomics FreakonomicsSep 21 08:16
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: what's the summary?Sep 21 08:26
schestowitzaudio takes long to digest/ingest :0)Sep 21 08:26
DaemonFC[m]It has full transcript.Sep 21 08:27
schestowitzsounds like eugenicsSep 21 08:27
schestowitzit was sold like this in the US pre-ww2Sep 21 08:27
schestowitzdim-witted tooSep 21 08:27
schestowitzpresumed to be leaning towards petty crimesSep 21 08:28
DaemonFC[m]But basically legalized abortion was responsible for about half the decrease in violent crime that took place between 1990 and 2000.Sep 21 08:28
schestowitzunlike oligarchsSep 21 08:28
schestowitzso they sought to sterilise these peopleSep 21 08:28
schestowitznow they target class and raceSep 21 08:28
schestowitz"The controversial theory linking Roe v. Wade to a massive crime drop is back in the spotlight as several states introduce abortion restrictions. Steve Levitt and John Donohue discuss their original research, the challenges to its legitimacy, and their updated analysis. Also: what this means for abortion policy, crime policy, and having intelligent conversations about contentious topics."Sep 21 08:28
DaemonFC[m]The people who would be committing the crimes weren't reaching their prime crime age.Sep 21 08:28
DaemonFC[m]So crime fell 30%.Sep 21 08:28
schestowitzstupid, dumb, bigoted people dislike this agendaSep 21 08:28
schestowitzbecause it targets whites tooSep 21 08:28
DaemonFC[m]It continued falling well after 2000.Sep 21 08:28
schestowitzlike Irish families with many kidsSep 21 08:28
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schestowitzthere's actually this assumption that parents who have kids against their will won't raise them wellSep 21 08:29
schestowitzso they might end up drug addicts, joining gangs to make up etc.Sep 21 08:29
schestowitzbetter to let parents have the change to have a "planned" parenthoodSep 21 08:30
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: After Illinois expanded abortion to Medicaid, about 4,000 more women had one in the first year of the new law.Sep 21 08:30
schestowitzor else have unruly kidsSep 21 08:30
DaemonFC[m]Almost all of them poor, black, and in Chicago.Sep 21 08:30
DaemonFC[m]I told John in 15 years the crime would probably start falling from that.Sep 21 08:30
schestowitzforcing people to let a tiny, weeks-old embryo develop into a kid (baby) overlooks the fact they're uusally very young and have many more opportunities to conceiveSep 21 08:31
schestowitzthose "pro-life" (and pro-COVID) COVIDiots might want to go futher and restrict masturbation because it "spills seeds"Sep 21 08:31
DaemonFC[m]Yes, but that would make sense.Sep 21 08:31
DaemonFC[m]Do it later if you can afford it.Sep 21 08:31
schestowitzbaby killers... those "wankers"Sep 21 08:31
schestowitzalso ban periodsSep 21 08:32
schestowitzdead eggsSep 21 08:32
schestowitzwith blood and everythingSep 21 08:32
schestowitzban that tooSep 21 08:32
schestowitzpro-lifeSep 21 08:32
schestowitzalso ban sperm that touched the eggs but did not mature Sep 21 08:33
schestowitzsame for cowsSep 21 08:33
schestowitzthey're also life, right?Sep 21 08:33
schestowitzOh, wait, maybe notSep 21 08:33
schestowitzthey're animals, we're "hooooomen"Sep 21 08:33
schestowitzMinceR loves hoooomenSep 21 08:33
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DaemonFC[m]Well, if the trend holds, in 10 years the Illinois Medicaid abortion law will mean 40,000 less births.Sep 21 08:38
schestowitzit doesn't work like thatSep 21 08:38
DaemonFC[m]Almost all of them "misguided youths" as you put it, who get a little older and are still panhandling, shooting up on the L, and starting fires.Sep 21 08:38
schestowitzoversimplistic logicSep 21 08:38
schestowitzsome people use abortion to delay the date of wanted birthsSep 21 08:38
schestowitzso it's more about controlled the when, not the overall numberSep 21 08:39
schestowitzlike a student not wanting to bear a kid until finishing collegeSep 21 08:39
DaemonFC[m]People who get on Medicaid don't tend to do better later.Sep 21 08:39
DaemonFC[m]But okay, please continue your theory on how a McDonalds worker who will never go to college is just waiting for better days.Sep 21 08:40
schestowitzyounger people, I think, also get impregnated more easilySep 21 08:40
DaemonFC[m]They do.Sep 21 08:40
schestowitzfertility rates, lack of experience etc.Sep 21 08:40
schestowitzfor them, offering abortion as a choice makes more senseSep 21 08:40
DaemonFC[m]Not knowing how to use a condom, not having any, not bothering to.Sep 21 08:40
schestowitznot only condomsSep 21 08:41
DaemonFC[m]Cheapest and easiest to use option, although not bulletproof.Sep 21 08:41
schestowitzbut the point is, give them a change to adjust when they're ready to bear a child, don't force teens to go all the way to delivery when it's clear within 4 weeks they don't plan to raise a kidSep 21 08:41
DaemonFC[m]Some women keep Plan B on hand to use each time on top of that, and that's probably a fine strategy.Sep 21 08:42
DaemonFC[m]What are the odds that BOTH fail?Sep 21 08:42
DaemonFC[m]I probably wouldn't take a pill every day.Sep 21 08:42
DaemonFC[m]Especially when you consider that the doctor appointments are $350 a pop now without insurance thanks to Obamacare.Sep 21 08:43
schestowitzlast I hear, a pill you took left you in ERSep 21 08:43
DaemonFC[m]They used to be like $30 or $40.Sep 21 08:43
schestowitzwith medical bills, not pillsSep 21 08:43
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, they let my lithium levels build up and weren't monitoring them properly.Sep 21 08:43
DaemonFC[m]Of course nobody took responsibility for anything.Sep 21 08:43
DaemonFC[m]I should have sued someone.Sep 21 08:43
schestowitzthey'd winSep 21 08:44
DaemonFC[m]Most likely.Sep 21 08:44
schestowitzby virtue of you running of out of money and credit cards for appeal proceedingsSep 21 08:44
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: People are fucking dumb though.Sep 21 08:44
schestowitzthat's how the US system works... and became notorious forSep 21 08:44
DaemonFC[m]Like, women taking off brand Plan B pills on Amazon because they were $3 cheaper.Sep 21 08:44
DaemonFC[m]Now they're all pregnant. Sep 21 08:44
DaemonFC[m]I'd kind of want the name brand on that.Sep 21 08:45
DaemonFC[m]The consequences are a little different than going for the Great Value mustard at the grocery aisle, you know?Sep 21 08:45
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: But women use Plan B as frontline birth control because going to to the doctor for birth control pills is more than paying like twenty bucks each time they have sex.Sep 21 08:46
DaemonFC[m]Hard to argue with that logic.Sep 21 08:46
DaemonFC[m]Without insurance, it would be $700 a year to see the doctor for the pills and oh probably $1,000 total by the time you're done.Sep 21 08:47
DaemonFC[m]vs. Maybe you only take Plan B once or twice a month.Sep 21 08:47
DaemonFC[m]Most people's sex lives slow way down after they get married. Sep 21 08:47
DaemonFC[m]I hear for straight people it takes a dip for decades after they start having kids and then doesn't recover until they're like 50.Sep 21 08:48
DaemonFC[m]:(Sep 21 08:48
DaemonFC[m]Healthcare here is fucked up.Sep 21 08:49
DaemonFC[m]I'm glad Obama pushed the FDA to make Plan B over the counter though.Sep 21 08:50
schestowitz"Right-wingers who point at Sweden’s lack of lockdowns never seem to mention that Sweden also has universal healthcare, unemployment benefits, paid sick leave" 21 08:50
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DaemonFC[m]They probably didn't figure people would use it this way.Sep 21 08:50
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oiaohmschestowitz: Sweden cultural differences as well that effect spread don't get mentioned either.      USA and Australian before covid-19 had very much the same stupid crowd actions.Sep 21 09:45
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XRevan86DarwinElf: Fediverse is not as much about software but about speaking the common protocol, which is GNU social's OStatus or "Mastodon-flavoured" ActivityPub.Sep 21 11:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Forget about USB hubs, this Comet Lake motherboard has 20 USB ports | PC GamerSep 21 14:34
Ariadnewhy.  just why.Sep 21 14:34
oiaohmAriadne:  Its a wacky board like it has 4 old school serial ports as well.Sep 21 14:46
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oiaohmThe combination looks like something for production line.Sep 21 14:47
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schestowitz[14:34] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- | Forget about USB hubs, this Comet Lake motherboard has 20 USB ports | PC GamerSep 21 16:18
schestowitzAriadne: look ma, I got every generation of iPhone, even the "S" onesSep 21 16:19
Ariadnecan modern itunes even talk to old iphones?Sep 21 16:20
schestowitzis itunes still around?Sep 21 16:21
schestowitzI thought they killed it or said they wouldSep 21 16:21
schestowitz no worries, someone will fork it. Oh, wait...Sep 21 16:22
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schestowitz[17:30] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): #linux gets #malware from #nsa -connected firm. They call it "telemetry" (of coruse they do... what next?) []Sep 21 17:50
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schestowitzis it as bad is as seems on the surface sans PR?Sep 21 17:51
schestowitzShould be allergic to these newspeak words... "big data".. "telemetry"... "data science"Sep 21 17:51
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I found some New York Strip steak on last day special at Walmart.Sep 21 19:13
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DaemonFC[m]A 35% markdown is what it takes now to make it the price it was before. But inflation's only 1.2% you see?Sep 21 19:14
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XRevan86> start() { (setsid "$1" >/dev/null 2>&1 &); }Sep 21 19:34
XRevan86I wonder if something similiar is floating around the nets. Never saw anything like that, but the idea is fairly simple – a classic double-fork.Sep 21 19:34
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kingoffranceyes 1.2% foreverSep 21 19:37
kingoffranceaka 2000% +Sep 21 19:37
kingoffrancebut its only 1.2%Sep 21 19:37
schestowitz[19:13] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: I found some New York Strip steak on last day special at Walmart.Sep 21 19:37
schestowitzcows are cuteSep 21 19:37
schestowitzI got beef today quarter priceSep 21 19:38
schestowitzthe only price point I allow myself to but any, if it's availableSep 21 19:38
MinceRno eigthth price?Sep 21 19:38
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DaemonFC[m]Mandy caught another shoplifter.Sep 21 20:51
DaemonFC[m]Grqnd Theft paper plates this time.Sep 21 20:51
DaemonFC[m]Then after he caught her, she started pretending to scan stuff, then left with half a cart of stuff she didn't pay for and got stopped by the cop on the way out.Sep 21 20:52
DaemonFC[m]That forum I totally may not read said that they lack the ability to plan past the crime.Sep 21 20:53
DaemonFC[m]They can't plan for the crime itself even when they have the opportunity to pull out a five dollar bill and not go to jail when they already are caught.Sep 21 20:54
DaemonFC[m]Even the white nationalists seem to underestimate the level of stupid apparently.Sep 21 20:54
DaemonFC[m]It's not even anything expensive usually. Sometimes it is.Sep 21 20:56
DaemonFC[m]Walmart has been called racist for putting expensive stuff behind glass, but it only stops individuals. When they riot, they just smash the glass and grab all of the XBOX consoles too because George Floyd.Sep 21 20:57
DaemonFC[m]People get called racist for saying don't loot. If you want something, go out, earn money, and save the money. And buy it.Sep 21 20:58
DaemonFC[m]I've caught people shoplifting in Indiana, but a lot of it was maybe chalked up to bad government.Sep 21 21:00
DaemonFC[m]Kids stealong condoms and stuff because they're expensive and the government doesn't pass them out like it should.Sep 21 21:00
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DaemonFC[m]> I got beef today quarter priceSep 21 21:09
DaemonFC[m]I wonder how.Sep 21 21:09
DaemonFC[m]How, now? Brown cow?Sep 21 21:09
MinceRhow now, ground cow?Sep 21 21:14
DaemonFC[m]LolSep 21 21:17
DaemonFC[m]Successful planning anticipates realistic human behavior.Sep 21 21:18
DaemonFC[m]Telling people keep it in your pants until you're married anticipates what probably 1 or 2% will actually do, so it's a public policy disaster.Sep 21 21:18
DaemonFC[m]So Walmart becomes the "free condoms" source.Sep 21 21:19
DaemonFC[m]Because the Indiana health department isn't doing their job.Sep 21 21:19
DaemonFC[m]60% of this generation is never getting married, honestly.Sep 21 21:19
DaemonFC[m]It stands to reason that either marriage based green cards will go way down or USCIS is forcing people into shotgun weddings to make the papers go through.Sep 21 21:20
DaemonFC[m]It's not something most people would do for someone they don't really love.Sep 21 21:20
DaemonFC[m]You get married and it's way harder than moving out and using bankruptcy law to rip up your financial entanglements.Sep 21 21:21
DaemonFC[m]If I had the slightest hint that Mandy was another John I would have ran like hell. He may be the the first person I've ever met who I would have married with or without the immigration people.Sep 21 21:22
DaemonFC[m]Although I don't know that because it wasn't legal for me to get married until I was 30.Sep 21 21:22
DaemonFC[m]The Republicans defended that equal opportunity thing by saying I had just as much right to marry someone I wasn't even attracted to as any other man.Sep 21 21:23
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR It's a lot harder to get rid of an immigrant after they marry a US Citizen. Not impossible, but much harder.Sep 21 21:24
DaemonFC[m]So the government tries to stop it by denying marriage visas.Sep 21 21:25
DaemonFC[m]I was told the Philippines and Mexico, they're always denied now.Sep 21 21:25
DaemonFC[m]They have to come here as a tourist or a student or something.Sep 21 21:25
DaemonFC[m]Then the feds can't stop the state from issuing a marriage license.Sep 21 21:26
DaemonFC[m]I was reading some more about the history of slavery in Illinois.Sep 21 21:27
DaemonFC[m]It existed here.Sep 21 21:27
DaemonFC[m]They made their slave sign an indenture contract for 99 years.Sep 21 21:27
DaemonFC[m]Public sentiment shifted in a landslide towards abolition in most of the state and it was enough to prevent the state from seceding.Sep 21 21:28
DaemonFC[m]Few people saw blacks as equals, but the majority were horrified at the concept of owning people.Sep 21 21:28
DaemonFC[m]So they resisted the fugitive slave law by breaking captured slaved out of jail and stuff.Sep 21 21:29
DaemonFC[m]Indiana was close to seceding. The governor was a Republican, but the Democrats had a majority in the legislature and were trying to secede.Sep 21 21:31
DaemonFC[m]The governor of Indiana almost had to declare martial law and ask for federal troops.Sep 21 21:34
DaemonFC[m]To this day it's really the southern part of the state. Illinois too, but there's not enough people down there to matter.Sep 21 21:35
DaemonFC[m]They threw in with the losing party and the Democrats can get to a supermajority without them.Sep 21 21:35
DaemonFC[m]That's going to really hurt them. They tend to get about $2.80 in state spending for every $1 in state taxes.Sep 21 21:36
DaemonFC[m]It's a huge bailout from Chicago really.Sep 21 21:36
DaemonFC[m]I ran the numbers and if they lopped off the 5 county area around and including Chicago, the rest of the state is poorer than Mississippi.Sep 21 21:37
DaemonFC[m]It's years of neglect from Chicago politicians, who are now in total control.Sep 21 21:37
DaemonFC[m]The banks are taking good care of Chicago as far as the fact that it's still on the map at all. It's because it's where they're all based.Sep 21 21:39
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz Stallman talked about a financial transaction tax. The idea has come up in Illinois, but no serious consideration.Sep 21 21:40
DaemonFC[m]It might work, but they'll never allow it.Sep 21 21:40
DaemonFC[m]Finance is a large part of state GDP and nothing gets done without them giving it a green light.Sep 21 21:41
DaemonFC[m]It's like New York. Look at the mess they're in. Do they tax Wall Street?  Never.Sep 21 21:41
DaemonFC[m]Cuomo shot down the idea before someone could get the question out.Sep 21 21:42
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DaemonFC[m]I read about that young man who killed himself in Illinois because Robin Hood let a 19 year old get into options and showed him a -$730,000 balance.Sep 21 21:43
DaemonFC[m]He didn't know what that meant and walked in front of a train.Sep 21 21:43
DaemonFC[m]Robin Hood said oh that wasn't really a -$730,000 balance. The contracts were just in flux. Sorry about that.Sep 21 21:44
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