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● Oct 21
[00:00]	TR News	Microsoft-Funded Analysts: Microsoft is Popular, Based on Microsoft Data (Projects That Choose Microsofts Proprietary Hosting) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/20/github-propaganda/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/20/github-propaganda/
[00:00]	TR Bot	 Microsoft-Funded Analysts: Microsoft is Popular, Based on Microsoft Data (Projects That Choose Microsofts Proprietary Hosting) | Techrights
[00:02]	TR News	Opperaing a bubble out of DEBT https://itwire.com/automotive/ev-software-specialist-everty-charged-up-for-the-years-ahead.html
[00:02]	TR Bot	- EV software specialist Everty charged up for the years ahead
[00:03]	TR News	"Heres a graph of the progression over time we are headed towards somewhere between 7000 and 8000 games by the end of the year." https://boilingsteam.com/steam-deck-6000-games-playable-verified/
[00:03]	TR Bot	 Steam Deck: 6000 Games Playable/Verified - Boiling Steam
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[00:11]	TR News	 (NEW): Ubuntu Touch development - Wanna sponsor ARM64 CPU power for CI build infrastructure? http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/Ubuntu_Touch_development_Wanna_sponsor_ARM64_CPU_power_for_CI_b.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/Ubuntu_Touch_development_Wanna_sponsor_ARM64_CPU_power_for_CI_b.gmi 
[00:11]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Ubuntu Touch development - Wanna sponsor ARM64 CPU power for CI build infrastructure?
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[00:13]	TR News	SSSSSSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOO green that you need laptops and pollution like energy-hungry 'smart' phones... to get done stuff that required NEITHER https://itwire.com/automotive/ev-software-specialist-everty-charged-up-for-the-years-ahead.html like hippie/yuppie BS where they say, "don't print, bad for the planet" (as if using PCs has no impact on the planet)
[00:15]	TR News	Banks in UK: check the "apps", no A4 paper... because environment! Excuse me, did you bother checking how much energy is required to produce just one spyphone (shipping, mining, melting etc.) and how much power is needed to keep the darn thing charged all the time? If done on PC with monitor, maybe 50 watts.
[00:16]	TR News	Technofascists love greenwashing. All their nasty crap will "save the planet", they insist. Until one actually fact-checks. There is also a human rights toll, which the media rarely shows (e.g. sweatshops).
[00:19]	TR News	"HEY HI" is more than 50 years own. Clown computing is even older than this. A lot of what they tell us is "new" and "exciting" is actually very old. They lie to us. They call it "marketing". Touchcreens? 1980s. VR ("metaverse")? 1980s. Self-checkouts and voice recognition could EASILY be done by the 1990s. Nothing new here, just techno-fascistic agenda.
[00:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[00:21]	TR News	A child in the 1980s already saw lots of mobile phones. Yes, they were large and expensive, not many people had them. Adding "smart" to them doesn't make them novel. Also, insisting they're smart because you can add "apps" to them ignores ample prior art from the 1990s.
[00:22]	TR News	The 'tech' industry rapidly became a lying industry. It's particularly bad as it means that liars get promoted to management, chronic liars become top chiefs. These people, in turn, boss honest geeks.
[00:24]	TR News	When fools tell you "it's just a Ubuntu-based distro" remind them what Ubuntu is. Just some "Debian-based distro". Mark Shuttleworth invented nothing. Right place at the right time, sold a 'certificates mill' and avoided paying his taxes until the state took him to court and won.
[00:25]	TR News	Mark Shuttleworth basically took Debian and added sex to it to sell his own version of it http://techrights.org/2022/05/15/jeff-waugh-on-mark-shuttleworth/
[00:25]	TR Bot	 Audio: Mark Shuttleworth Marketed to Young Males, With Sexy Pictures | Techrights
[00:30]	TR News	Stephen OGrady and Rachel Stephens, failing to disclose that Microsoft pays them (conflict of interest at Redmonk, as usual), assess programming languages popularity using Microsofts own data http://techrights.org/2022/10/20/github-propaganda/
[00:31]	TR News	 (NEW): This Laptop Runs Android, Not Windows or Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/This_Laptop_Runs_Android_Not_Windows_or_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/This_Laptop_Runs_Android_Not_Windows_or_Linux.gmi 
[00:31]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines This Laptop Runs Android, Not Windows or Linux
[00:32]	TR News	'Solution' in search of a problem unless you fancy the CIA tracking your mouse cursor, keystrokes etc https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-launches-red-hat-enterprise-linux-workstations-aws
[00:32]	TR Bot	 Red Hat Launches Red Hat Enterprise Linux for Workstations on AWS
[00:34]	TR News	ICBM/Red Hat to the community: don't objectify women. ICBM/Red Hat to shareholders: https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/ulta-beauty-standardizes-red-hat-ansible-automation-platform-automation-transformation
[00:34]	TR Bot	 Ulta Beauty Standardizes on Red Hat Ansible Automation Platform for Automation Transformation
[00:35]	TR News	Instead of compering with Microsoft, Red Hat helps Microsoft push proprietary software and spy on people https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-ansible-automation-platform-azure-now-available-microsoft-azure-marketplace
[00:35]	TR Bot	 Red Hat Ansible Automation Platform on Azure Now Available at Microsoft Azure Marketplace
[00:36]	TR News	HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-and-ibm-research-advance-it-automation-ai-powered-capabilities-ansible
[00:36]	TR Bot	 Red Hat and IBM Research Advance IT Automation with AI-Powered Capabilities for Ansible
[00:37]	TR News	ICBM: pay us PREMIUMS for all the HEY HIs
[00:39]	TR News	Before there were "selfies" ICBM's first chief did this with Hitler http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/watson-article-ibm-medal-from-hitler.png
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[00:44]	TR News	 (NEW): Videos: Brodie Robertson, Audacity on Linux Mint, and Story of GCompris http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/Videos_Brodie_Robertson_Audacity_on_Linux_Mint_and_Story_of_GCo.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/Videos_Brodie_Robertson_Audacity_on_Linux_Mint_and_Story_of_GCo.gmi 
[00:44]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Videos: Brodie Robertson, Audacity on Linux Mint, and Story of GCompris
[00:45]	TR News	 (NEW): Fedora / Red Hat / IBM Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/Fedora_Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/Fedora_Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.1.gmi 
[00:45]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Fedora / Red Hat / IBM Leftovers
[00:45]	DaemonFC	 * Fri Oct 14 2022 Martin Stransky <stransky@redhat.com>- 106.0-1
[00:45]	DaemonFC	- Updated to 106.0
[00:45]	DaemonFC	- Disabled PGO build due to rhbz#2136401
[00:46]	DaemonFC	Firefox 106 on Fedora has broken Profile Guided Optimization.
[00:46]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, ^
[00:46]	schestowitz[TR]	ahg
[00:46]	DaemonFC	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2136401
[00:46]	resistor	title 42 expulsion was introduced year 1944
[00:46]	TR Bot	 2136401 Firefox fails to build with PGO - source locations for function XY have changed, the profile data may be out of date
[00:46]	resistor	in USA
[00:47]	DaemonFC	https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1796523
[00:47]	TR Bot	 1796523 - GCC PGO build fails - source locations for function XY have changed, the profile data may be out of date
[00:47]	resistor	and title 42 expulsions are enacted still, several dozens of thousands each year
[00:49]	TR News	CPU-X: Linux System Profiling and Monitoring | BIOSLEVEL | Linux Harware Profiling https://bioslevel.com/articles/2022/cpux-linux-system-profiling-and-monitoring Source: bioslevel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//bioslevel.com/articles/2022/cpux-linux-system-profiling-and-monitoring
[00:49]	TR Bot	Linux System Profiling and Monitoring | BIOSLEVEL | Linux Harware Profiling
[00:49]	resistor	minor mistake, several dozens of thousands of title 42 expulsuions each month
[00:50]	resistor	i had not seen this data cited before anywhere ever, instead some arbitrary covid data flooded all over tv screens and newspapers, and no expulsion data mentioned
[00:50]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Firefox added a pinned tab now.
[00:51]	DaemonFC	And changed my color theme without asking.
[00:51]	DaemonFC	Ugh
[00:52]	TR News	iTWire - In the midst of a major digital mess, ASPI is pushing digital ID. Really? https://itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis-sp-481/open-sauce/in-the-midst-of-a-major-digital-mess,-aspi-is-pushing-digital-id-really.html Source: IT Wire
[00:52]	TR Bot	- In the midst of a major digital mess, ASPI is pushing digital ID. Really?
[00:54]	schestowitz[TR]	you don't like Firefox?what are you, a nazi?
[00:55]	DaemonFC	It changes my theme to a color, which expires in January.
[00:56]	TR News	 (NEW): GNU/Linux Software: CPU-X, MAAS, syslog-ng http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/GNU_Linux_Software_CPU_X_MAAS_syslog_ng.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/GNU_Linux_Software_CPU_X_MAAS_syslog_ng.gmi 
[00:56]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines GNU/Linux Software: CPU-X, MAAS, syslog-ng
[00:56]	schestowitz[TR]	Firefox is all about choicew
[00:56]	schestowitz[TR]	you can choose all the colours of the rainbow
[00:56]	DaemonFC	https://mylegalheat.com/blog/what-is-a-foid-card-everything-you-need-to-know/
[00:56]	TR Bot	 What Is A FOID Card - Everything You Need To Know | Legal Heat
[00:57]	schestowitz[TR]	but cannot have proper theming
[00:57]	schestowitz[TR]	I made two firefox themes
[00:57]	DaemonFC	"The People of Illinois" v. Vivian Brown
[00:57]	schestowitz[TR]	of course they won't work anymore
[00:57]	DaemonFC	Well, as a "people of Illinois", I think they should have to let Vivian Brown go.
[00:57]	DaemonFC	So that matters, right? :)
[00:57]	schestowitz[TR]	http://schestowitz.com/Software/RoyZilla/
[00:57]	TR Bot	 PimpZilla Blue and Firefox Themes Test-bed
[00:57]	DaemonFC	MinceR, How absolutely arrogant that they frame criminal cases as "The People" v. the defendant.
[00:58]	schestowitz[TR]	http://schestowitz.com/Weblog_Frames/firefoxmac.png
[00:58]	DaemonFC	Especially in a highly charged case where half the people would say she didn't do anything wrong AND the law is unconstitutional as well.
[00:58]	schestowitz[TR]	http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2005/04/19/firefox-mac-theme/
[00:58]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Firefox Mac Theme
[00:58]	schestowitz[TR]	http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2005/04/17/pimpzilla-blue/
[00:58]	TR Bot	Blog Archive PimpZilla Blue
[00:59]	DaemonFC	They act like some prosecutor who barely made it through an election by the edge of a razor, is representing "the people" in total.
[00:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 67.16 k/sec., IPFS upstream 99.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 106.86
● Oct 21
[01:01]	TR News	 (NEW): Steam Deck: 6000 Games Playable/Verified http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/Steam_Deck_6000_Games_Playable_Verified.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/Steam_Deck_6000_Games_Playable_Verified.gmi 
[01:01]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Steam Deck: 6000 Games Playable/Verified
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[01:01]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: correc t me if I ak wrong
[01:01]	schestowitz[TR]	I don't keep track of firefox anymore (removed it from one pc last week):
[01:01]	schestowitz[TR]	now firefox just supports very rudimentayr theming
[01:02]	schestowitz[TR]	no scrollbar, buttons, menus
[01:02]	schestowitz[TR]	just some liusy imnage nearr the top and some css-liek theme
[01:02]	schestowitz[TR]	*lousy
[01:02]	schestowitz[TR]	basically tightly contgrolled by Bakersoft
[01:02]	schestowitz[TR]	and very little room for extension
[01:02]	schestowitz[TR]	they've made firefox more rigid over time
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[01:02]	schestowitz[TR]	iow, more like chrome
[01:03]	schestowitz[TR]	which is what they claim they hope people would get away from
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[01:04]	XRevan86	DaemonFC: "And changed my color theme without asking" <- It does ask.
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[01:05]	DaemonFC	Nope.
[01:05]	DaemonFC	Changed it to red.
[01:05]	DaemonFC	Then told me Colorways are here.
[01:05]	TR News	LOL! Get a 1980s Casio or something. They were bug free and didn't need a battery change for years. This one is lasting days, at most, and barely works. https://www.maketecheasier.com/fix-apple-watch-not-getting-notifications/
[01:05]	TR Bot	 How to Fix Apple Watch Not Getting Notifications - Make Tech Easier
[01:05]	XRevan86	It opens a tab with a theme selector.
[01:06]	schestowitz[TR]	mozilla vandalises its own products
[01:06]	schestowitz[TR]	and coppies chrome's worst 'features'
[01:06]	schestowitz[TR]	like tabs instead of proper menus
[01:07]	schestowitz[TR]	iirc, themes in chrome suck also
[01:07]	schestowitz[TR]	it is not versatile at all
[01:07]	schestowitz[TR]	it doesn't care about users
[01:07]	schestowitz[TR]	it dictates to them
[01:09]	TR News	Notice how Microsofters, even a year after the patch, keep bringing up and hyping up "Log4Shell" (or J) https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/10/19/cve-2022-42889/ the Microsofters did the same with "heartbleed" for years
[01:09]	TR Bot	 Apache Commons Text flaw is not a repeat of Log4Shell (CVE-2022-42889) - Help Net Security
[01:09]	resistor	there is a simple solution to this: not using any modern web-browser
[01:10]	resistor	currently there isn't any of lynx,w3m,links ported to oasis-linux build scripting... just saying
[01:11]	resistor	hence, if you're absolutely strict with acceptance criteria over there, then there isn't none of those browsers anymore
[01:12]	resistor	what oasis linux ported instead is, interesting, netsurf browser
[01:12]	TR News	Microsofters trolling Torvalds as he surrenders to GAFAM https://analyticsindiamag.com/after-30-years-a-second-language-comes-to-linux-kernel/ see http://techrights.org/2022/09/21/going-rusty-faster/
[01:12]	TR Bot	 After 30 Years, a Second Language Comes to Linux Kernel
[01:12]	TR Bot	 The Life of Linux Will Be Shortened by a Misguided Adoption of Rust | Techrights
[01:14]	TR News	 (NEW): Security and Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt (FUD) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Security_and_Fear_Uncertainty_Doubt_FUD.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Security_and_Fear_Uncertainty_Doubt_FUD.gmi 
[01:14]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Security and Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt (FUD)
[01:14]	resistor	and the oasis linux tree isn't sanitized yet to comply with acceptance criteria of mine, i think netsurf or any dependency wouldn't pass
[01:15]	schestowitz[TR]	o oasis-linux ?
[01:15]	resistor	nonetheless, detangling from GNU-buildsystem that's a huge accomplishment of oasis-linux, and all of what they got in their tree
[01:16]	resistor	schestowitz[TR]: https://github.com/oasislinux/oasis
[01:16]	TR Bot	- oasislinux/oasis: a small statically-linked linux system
[01:16]	schestowitz[TR]	lol, github
[01:16]	schestowitz[TR]	microsoft
[01:16]	schestowitz[TR]	proprietary
[01:16]	schestowitz[TR]	oasis
[01:16]	schestowitz[TR]	from what?
[01:16]	resistor	i cloned it already
[01:16]	reptilian_thrills	freedom
[01:17]	resistor	however, i would need to fork oasis-linux, cleanup their tree, merge my stuff, replace linux kernel with v2.4, integrate tcc-toolchain...
[01:18]	resistor	and there is several reasons i didn't continue any longer
[01:18]	resistor	with oasis-linux, it is their linux kernel version chosen, an implied _hard_ vendor lock against x86(64), among other problems
[01:18]	TR News	3 more Gemini capsules added/created today? gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi
[01:19]	schestowitz[TR]	kernel.org ----> MICEROSOFT = OASIA!!
[01:19]	schestowitz[TR]	*ISIS
[01:19]	resistor	the vendor lock against x86(64) isn't easily coped with; and it is an inter-dependent problem with kernel-version
[01:19]	schestowitz[TR]	not OASIS
[01:19]	schestowitz[TR]	and not the OASIS standards outfit, either
[01:19]	reptilian_thrills	isis what you did there
[01:19]	resistor	because with tcc-toolchain, i consider roll-back to linux-2.4, and this too would vendor-lock against x86(64), which i don't accept
[01:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[01:20]	resistor	nonetheless, oasis linux made considerable progress with their ideas, currently it is the only clean linux-distro remaining, imo
[01:21]	reptilian_thrills	kernel.org -> microsoft hmm?
[01:21]	starstreak	activelow detected: resistor 
[01:21]	reptilian_thrills	bye, gkh
[01:22]	reptilian_thrills	gkh: rust apologist
[01:23]	reptilian_thrills	theres only one t in rust
[01:23]	reptilian_thrills	because you cant trust it
[01:24]	resistor	with C11 feature creep inside recent kernel versions, the required compilers are troublesome regardless of rust
[01:24]	resistor	it is a difference still, if it's rust or C11 fed into the compilers, in any case both c11 and rust vendor-lock against those compilers
[01:25]	resistor	back to oasis-linux, i wasn't aware yet if they made any progress to digest linux-5.16 (their current version chosen) with cproc/qbe
[01:25]	schestowitz[TR]	rust statistics
[01:25]	schestowitz[TR]	torvalds is consenting
[01:25]	schestowitz[TR]	he was given warnings
[01:25]	schestowitz[TR]	so he complies
[01:26]	schestowitz[TR]	he said he even started trying to learn it
[01:26]	schestowitz[TR]	because he cannot review code he merges
[01:26]	resistor	one of their goals is, and alot of accomplished already by them, to compile an entire linux distro with cproc/qbe
[01:26]	schestowitz[TR]	that's a recipe foir disaster
[01:26]	schestowitz[TR]	"I can't code rust, btu I have white hair"
[01:27]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D735.jpg
[01:27]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D390.jpg
[01:28]	TR News	IRC is better gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~nristen/gemlog/20221020.gmi
[01:29]	resistor	i think oasis linux originated from the land of the devil: California
[01:30]	resistor	same again, i fear development man power is invested into a project doomed to fail
[01:30]	schestowitz[TR]	death valley?
[01:30]	resistor	which is why, it is sad, to see competent developers engaged in such brilliant linux projects
[01:30]	schestowitz[TR]	are you a brilliant developer?
[01:31]	resistor	no, i was educated for management
[01:31]	schestowitz[TR]	also, what kernel do you use?
[01:31]	schestowitz[TR]	linux
[01:31]	schestowitz[TR]	afaik, even guix is linux
[01:31]	schestowitz[TR]	and guix is run by total idiots.. or WAS run
[01:31]	resistor	yes, linux, and i am not only using this, i too hacked on linux kernel until v5.10, and consider it blocked indefinitely
[01:31]	schestowitz[TR]	they changed leadership a bit
[01:32]	schestowitz[TR]	but ibm.fools are still there it seems
[01:32]	schestowitz[TR]	linux became a spitbucket
[01:32]	resistor	i think guix and bootstrappable.org slightly interesect with each other; i think the bootstrappable.org devs are among the most competent
[01:32]	schestowitz[TR]	every company spits drivers into it
[01:32]	schestowitz[TR]	and so they keep is stirred up and warm
[01:33]	schestowitz[TR]	and the quality declines
[01:33]	schestowitz[TR]	inc. bugs tha t can spil hardware
[01:33]	schestowitz[TR]	*spoil
[01:33]	reptilian_thrills	but ibm.fools are still there it seems <- yep
[01:33]	schestowitz[TR]	because it's too big for quality control
[01:33]	resistor	linux kernel is first and foremost this: TOO BIG, that big and fat nowadays, it must fail
[01:33]	schestowitz[TR]	and moves fast as every company wants its driver "dump" to be in the next kernel within 3 months
[01:33]	reptilian_thrills	because it's too big for quality control <- attack surface
[01:33]	reptilian_thrills	but what they will do is
[01:33]	schestowitz[TR]	so it dumps it in for 2 weeks until rc1
[01:33]	schestowitz[TR]	and then waits
[01:33]	reptilian_thrills	theyll prune shit thats important
[01:33]	schestowitz[TR]	and some write it in rust now
[01:33]	reptilian_thrills	or shit they dont want to support anymore
[01:34]	schestowitz[TR]	torvalds cannot comprehend what he signs off
[01:34]	reptilian_thrills	and support more new stuff
[01:34]	resistor	i am not expressing this as a wish-think, it is a prognosis, what happens to linux, and it already begun
[01:34]	reptilian_thrills	and a lot of people will like that, except people who were happy that things got supported for longer without it becoming a treadmill
[01:34]	schestowitz[TR]	meanwhile they keep massive microsofrt crap
[01:34]	reptilian_thrills	linucks will be less reliable
[01:34]	schestowitz[TR]	for proprietary crap
[01:34]	schestowitz[TR]	that nobody but microsoft audits
[01:34]	schestowitz[TR]	and maybe the nsa codes partly
[01:34]	schestowitz[TR]	but they remove suppoort for floppies
[01:34]	reptilian_thrills	the future of gnu/linux is microshit
[01:34]	resistor	linux 2.4 3million LoC (this was fat alread, and stuffed with corporate cancer such as ACPI), linux 5.10 30million LoC, and that's a death sentence to any decent kernel
[01:34]	schestowitz[TR]	which had decent support and much woirk into stability
[01:35]	schestowitz[TR]	remove stable stuff
[01:35]	schestowitz[TR]	add crap from microsoft
[01:35]	schestowitz[TR]	because microsoft bribes jim zemlin and sheela microsoft
[01:35]	schestowitz[TR]	that's todsay's "modern" linux
[01:35]	reptilian_thrills	but they remove suppoort for floppies <- they should have just made it not load by default
[01:35]	reptilian_thrills	then if you run it with a kernel option it loads
[01:35]	reptilian_thrills	how hard is that
[01:36]	resistor	with linux-2.4, to avoid a _hard_ vendor lock against x86(64?), i would need to manufacture my own hardware even
[01:36]	DaemonFC	https://wgntv.com/news/deans-list/jury-kevin-spacey-didnt-molest-actor-anthony-rapp-in-1986/
[01:36]	TR Bot	 Jury: Kevin Spacey didnt molest actor Anthony Rapp in 1986 | WGN-TV
[01:37]	schestowitz[TR]	he did some shit 20 years ago
[01:37]	DaemonFC	Kevin Spacey has been acquitted by a jury. Now he should sue Anthony Rapp for defamation.
[01:37]	resistor	such as a 68k FPGA softcore, or MIPS or whatever else there is... and that's too much, besides the huge integration effort required with oasis-linux
[01:37]	DaemonFC	Rapp was trying to win $40 million and has destroyed the career of Kevin Spacey.
[01:37]	DaemonFC	I think Spacey, with the trial ending today, has good reason to sue Rapp.
[01:38]	schestowitz[TR]	were there not multiple allegers?
[01:38]	resistor	DaemonFC: thank you for participating in the conversation
[01:38]	schestowitz[TR]	ok, back to linus
[01:38]	schestowitz[TR]	spacey is not even remotely related
[01:39]	reptilian_thrills	/me checks the distance of torvalds and spacey to kevin bacon
[01:39]	schestowitz[TR]	check erdos also
[01:39]	reptilian_thrills	maybe counterrevolution os
[01:39]	schestowitz[TR]	just in case
[01:39]	schestowitz[TR]	torvalds might be connected 2 degrees aaprt
[01:39]	resistor	yep, a seccond opinion on a linux version roll-back to v2.4 would be cool
[01:39]	reptilian_thrills	im sad af about kevin spacey
[01:39]	resistor	and what Linus and GKH would say about this
[01:39]	reptilian_thrills	i thought he would be PERFECT for playing jack benny
[01:39]	reptilian_thrills	theyre fucking identical
[01:39]	resistor	or Alan Cox
[01:39]	schestowitz[TR]	kevin bacon -> jono bacon -> bacon -> linus
[01:40]	resistor	because, i am not a kernel hacking veteran
[01:40]	DaemonFC	https://wgntv.com/news/wgn-news-now/bah-humbug-christmas-tree-price-hike-coming-this-yr/
[01:40]	reptilian_thrills	jack benny, jono bacon
[01:40]	TR Bot	 Bah-humbug! Christmas tree price hike coming this year | WGN-TV
[01:40]	DaemonFC	Walmart is selling fake trees for over $400.
[01:40]	reptilian_thrills	kevin bacon -> jono bacon -> bacon -> linus <- lol
[01:40]	DaemonFC	They bring them in from China, they're plastic.
[01:40]	resistor	i do know already, linux 2.4 got those problems: (1) year 2038 (2) scalability (max number of processes and whatever else)
[01:40]	DaemonFC	Who wants to pay $400-$450 for this?
[01:40]	schestowitz[TR]	microsoft <3 kosher bacon
[01:41]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: marisol
[01:41]	schestowitz[TR]	for her fb page
[01:41]	DaemonFC	MARISOL doesn't have Christmas.
[01:41]	DaemonFC	Her church doesn't allow it.
[01:41]	reptilian_thrills	kevin bacon -> kevin sorbo -> lucy lawless -> lucy and linus -> linus torvalds
[01:41]	resistor	i think with a roll-back and fork to linux-2.4 year-2038 could be coped with by a kernel-abi/api break (which they had to avoid in their linux 5.x series hacks for year 2038)
[01:41]	schestowitz[TR]	iirc, that's the church whose memmbers sometimes nail themsleves to trees
[01:42]	resistor	and the scalability problem isn't the most urgent one, it is only important to know, how far linux-2.4 could scale with SMP/RAM number of processes etc
[01:42]	DaemonFC	Someone ought to have her nailed to a tree so she'd have something real to complain about.
[01:42]	schestowitz[TR]	ask her dad
[01:42]	schestowitz[TR]	he has some planks with nail on them
[01:42]	schestowitz[TR]	for... something
[01:42]	resistor	schestowitz[TR]: thank you too for participating in the conversation
[01:43]	schestowitz[TR]	<resistor> i do know already, linux 2.4 got those problems: (1) year 2038 (2) scalability (max number of processes and whatever else)
[01:43]	schestowitz[TR]	that's far from now
[01:43]	schestowitz[TR]	we will probably see a drift to something else by then
[01:43]	schestowitz[TR]	some devices run a kernel with far more then they need
[01:43]	schestowitz[TR]	developing for linus will onykly get harder
[01:43]	schestowitz[TR]	*linus
[01:43]	schestowitz[TR]	>linux
[01:44]	resistor	allright then, *BSD? llvm/clang? no, thank you.
[01:44]	reptilian_thrills	some kernels are not like the others
[01:44]	reptilian_thrills	some kernels are just like their mothers
[01:44]	resistor	reptilian_thrills: well said
[01:46]	schestowitz[TR]	linux-aggi 2.4
[01:46]	schestowitz[TR]	1000+ bugs
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[01:46]	resistor	bugs?
[01:46]	schestowitz[TR]	btw, aggi means homosexual in marisol's native tongue
[01:46]	resistor	whatever
[01:47]	resistor	the problem with linux-2.4 and tcc-toolchain is this: vendor-lock into x86(64)
[01:47]	reptilian_thrills	whereas in british english, aggi is pronounced "a gayyyyyyyyy"
[01:47]	schestowitz[TR]	it's written hagi, iirc
[01:47]	resistor	tcc-toolchain got RISC-V too already, however, linux-2.4 got no RISC-V
[01:47]	schestowitz[TR]	with emphasis on the latter part
[01:47]	resistor	allright, cproc/qbe, don't know what they got, oasis-linux is pushing this with remarkable success already, except kernel it seems
[01:47]	schestowitz[TR]	someone will fork linus
[01:48]	schestowitz[TR]	like bobby moss forked gimp
[01:48]	schestowitz[TR]	because of the name
[01:48]	schestowitz[TR]	he made glimpse
[01:48]	schestowitz[TR]	of course it was doomed to fail
[01:48]	reptilian_thrills	his wife certainly did
[01:48]	schestowitz[TR]	like linux-aggi
[01:48]	schestowitz[TR]	no reaosn to adopt it
[01:48]	schestowitz[TR]	toommany bugs, poor h/w support
[01:48]	resistor	i am thinking currently, if it was at least feasible to do this
[01:48]	reptilian_thrills	ive got a vegan fork of linux
[01:48]	reptilian_thrills	its made entirely without penguin
[01:48]	starstreak	linucks btw
[01:48]	schestowitz[TR]	excellent
[01:48]	schestowitz[TR]	number of users: 1
[01:49]	schestowitz[TR]	fsfe-vegan
[01:49]	schestowitz[TR]	a splinter group of fsfe
[01:49]	reptilian_thrills	it uses a penguin flavoured tofu-based substitute
[01:49]	resistor	i already do know with 100% certainty, the current system i had frozen/archived with a c-only toolchain and gcc47, this cannot be neither updated nor rolled-back, thats blocked into any direction
[01:49]	schestowitz[TR]	created by people who won't wear wool
[01:49]	reptilian_thrills	yes, dont wear wool, it exploits sheep
[01:49]	reptilian_thrills	wear cotton, it only exploits ANYWAY...
[01:49]	resistor	however, i still can spin-off some distro built with tcc-toolchain , and was hitting blockers against GNU-buildsystem and binutils GNU gas assembly
[01:50]	reptilian_thrills	meanwhile in bangladesh...
[01:50]	schestowitz[TR]	sheep work in sweatshops
[01:50]	schestowitz[TR]	but human sheep
[01:50]	schestowitz[TR]	"sheeple" ;-)
[01:50]	reptilian_thrills	sweatsheep
[01:50]	resistor	and forking piles up that huge of a mountain of problems including vendor-locking again... i am not convinced yet to do anything at all anymore
[01:50]	reptilian_thrills	making sweatshirts
[01:50]	schestowitz[TR]	do sheep sweat?
[01:50]	reptilian_thrills	by the seashore
[01:50]	resistor	the mainstream GNU/linux is approaching wreckage closer each day
[01:51]	reptilian_thrills	do sheep sweat? <- for shorn
[01:51]	schestowitz[TR]	they sheep it from bangladesh
[01:51]	resistor	and whatever else was chosen, simply VIOLATES acceptance criteria
[01:51]	reptilian_thrills	its sheeper because they exploit the workers
[01:51]	resistor	it is complete irelevant, if GNU or MICROS~1 or IBM place the banner on top of this
[01:52]	reptilian_thrills	oh we are making cute puns about basically slavery <3
[01:52]	resistor	or Apple, not to forget them with their glorious LLVM/clang toolchain
[01:52]	schestowitz[TR]	CoC.md, vegan.md, PATENTS.TXT
[01:52]	reptilian_thrills	linux.rust
[01:52]	reptilian_thrills	ibm.cunts
[01:52]	resistor	and this seems to be the niche oasis-linux tries to sneak into, together with cproc/qbe and detangling from GNU-buildsystem
[01:52]	schestowitz[TR]	antitRust
[01:52]	reptilian_thrills	actually thats a porn site, disregard
[01:53]	reptilian_thrills	i was going to say probably, but lol without probably
[01:53]	reptilian_thrills	probably a porn site :)
[01:53]	schestowitz[TR]	with flight attendanta and Watson
[01:53]	reptilian_thrills	with hot core on core action
[01:53]	resistor	however, although impressive, that's insufficient still, and i doubt they'll ever succeed with any linux-kernel and the entire distro compiled/linked with cproc/qbe
[01:53]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2020/07/26/ibm-watson-plane-incident/
[01:53]	TR Bot	 Meet the IBM Watsons: Sponsors of Richard Nixon and Abusers of Women | Techrights
[01:53]	reptilian_thrills	racks and stacks
[01:54]	resistor	although, they do try, that's what i appreciate, because any other don't anymore: canonical, redhat, *bsd whoever...
[01:54]	starstreak	Apple never licensed Intel ME so its actually absent in macbooks, so basically PC makers pay for a backdoor.
[01:54]	schestowitz[TR]	ICBM: nix rms, fund nixon
[01:54]	reptilian_thrills	 <starstreak> Apple never licensed Intel ME so its actually absent in macbooks <- WOTTTTTT
[01:54]	schestowitz[TR]	nixon who called blacks "niggers"
[01:54]	schestowitz[TR]	and who mocked "Jews" too
[01:54]	starstreak	reptilian_thrills, yup
[01:54]	schestowitz[TR]	that's the nixcon ICBM backed
[01:54]	reptilian_thrills	nixon was a pretty awful person even by the standards of the day
[01:54]	resistor	thank you for flooding and drowning argument below noise floor of yours
[01:55]	resistor	i don't know schestowitz[TR], whatever #techrights is occupied with, it's far off technical reason
[01:55]	reptilian_thrills	i believe theres a nixon hillary clinton connection thats fun
[01:55]	reptilian_thrills	something about watergate
[01:55]	reptilian_thrills	dr sixel probably knows
[01:56]	resistor	iirc nixon illegally spied on the opposition, and had to resign over this
[01:56]	reptilian_thrills	/me throws out computers and gets apple hw
[01:57]	reptilian_thrills	this is a strange week indeed
[01:57]	mjg59_	starstreak: No, Intel-based Apples all have MEs, and actually still require them to be functional for some scenarios (eg, if you have an Intel GPU, it's the ME that implements HDCP, so the MacOS Intel GPU driver requires access to the ME)
[01:57]	mjg59_	starstreak: None of them have AMT, though
[01:57]	resistor	i simply can't work with any recent computers anymore, knowing those severly violate acceptance criteria (including what was supposed to be "free software")
[01:58]	reptilian_thrills	 None of them have AMT, though <- another plus
[01:58]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, Solution: Don't use HDCP.
[01:59]	resistor	"free software" too involved the compiler/toolchain and any support for hardware, which a _free_ FPGA softcore SoC implementation should exist for
[01:59]	DaemonFC	You'll be happier without the "Chuck TV, buy new TV." message every 3 years anyway. B-)
[01:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 38.28 k/sec., IPFS upstream 129.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 100.85
[01:59]	starstreak	"The Intel ME, included on most Intel chipsets since 2008, is controversial because it expands the attack surface of Intel-based hardware."
[01:59]	starstreak	attack surface
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[01:59]	reptilian_thrills	attack surface!
[01:59]	TR Bot	 Links 20/10/2022: OpenBSD 7.2 and Claws Mail 3.19.1/4.1.1 | Techrights
[01:59]	DaemonFC	My TV only has one port with HDCP 2.2. The rest can do 4K but none of the streaming crap will allow it.
[01:59]	reptilian_thrills	#theoderaadtwasright
[01:59]	DaemonFC	That's fine.
● Oct 21
[02:00]	DaemonFC	VLC don't care.
[02:00]	resistor	just see for yourself, how far you'll get with an ao486 FPGA: it is VERY expensive, incomplete (no USB1, no ethernet), and insufficient to maintain any linux distro with from source, even when tcc-toolchain is 10x more efficient
[02:00]	schestowitz[TR]	I thought it was 2009
[02:00]	DaemonFC	VLC don't give a shit.
[02:00]	resistor	mjg59_: it is dead-end at all frontlines with regards to freedom
[02:00]	reptilian_thrills	mincers been complaining since 2008
[02:00]	schestowitz[TR]	surface-to-surface attack surface missile
[02:00]	reptilian_thrills	it was his first post in irc
[02:00]	reptilian_thrills	"fucking intel me"
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[02:01]	resistor	and even when the "freedom" aspect was less relevant to some, i too consider the global supply chains and stability of those systems critical
[02:01]	resistor	including proprietary offerings
[02:01]	reptilian_thrills	dfcs was "windows!"
[02:01]	DaemonFC	I mean, it does make sense for Intel to put HDCP in the Malware Engine.
[02:01]	reptilian_thrills	"oops wrong channel"
[02:01]	DaemonFC	Which mjg59_ thanked them for the other day.
[02:02]	DaemonFC	Then they can help GULAG pretend that Widevine works, which is probably why everything on Netfucks ends up on BitTorrent in 4K 10 minutes later.
[02:02]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, "I refused a job at Netfucks, you know."
[02:02]	DaemonFC	I doubt you'd have been the one to fix Widevine.
[02:02]	resistor	so whatever was chosen, i don't accept any of this (IBM MICROS~1 PC, GNU, BSD whatever), for neither private use at home, nor for any deployment into critical infrastructure (such as german railway i applied for recently)
[02:02]	DaemonFC	Or FailReady.
[02:03]	resistor	mjg59_: another problem is, the _old_ supply chains mostly vanished already, such as X.25 era related gear, which is deployed inside critical infrastructure until today
[02:03]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: I thanked them for releasing a copy of the tooling with the debug symbols still there, which made it easier to reverse engineer how to do stuff that Intel don't publicly document
[02:04]	mjg59_	It is very weird to me how you manage to misinterpret so many things I say when other people seem to manage just fine
[02:04]	resistor	and as soon as those old gear is phased out, the entire industry locks-into whatever this clusterf*** is nowadays, no escape from there
[02:04]	reptilian_thrills	 <mjg59_> It is very weird to me how you manage to misinterpret so many things I say when other people seem to manage just fine <- you get used to it after a few years
[02:04]	resistor	in railway (which is one of the most critical infrastructure parts), they are wish-thinking already "ALL-IP", and "5G", this is it, they way is up in the future with this
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[02:05]	resistor	i mean, german railway, had not fully rolled-out a "2G" based digital radio system into their infrastructure to reach "ETCS" level 2 compliance, and it is scheduled for deprecation year 2030 already
[02:06]	reptilian_thrills	it sort of plateaus and then just becomes a running joke
[02:06]	schestowitz[TR]	fm lasts longer :-)
[02:06]	reptilian_thrills	 i mean the climb is steep but once youre up there its level enough to build a runway on it
[02:06]	resistor	and to my knowledge their old X.25 based signalling is still in operation, which suppliers for vanished already
[02:07]	starstreak	you all just lost the game
[02:07]	schestowitz[TR]	starstreak: "us all the LATESTS of the THINGS"
[02:08]	schestowitz[TR]	systed-waylandd
[02:08]	starstreak	i like having new things
[02:08]	schestowitz[TR]	germany rail should use pipewire
[02:08]	schestowitz[TR]	one day it might work
[02:08]	schestowitz[TR]	*german
[02:08]	starstreak	pipewire works fine for me
[02:08]	resistor	and an IBM/RedHat JEE JBoss software stack on top... that's it, this is what i would do, for long-term reliable operation
[02:09]	resistor	and it's best, pupils learn this as early as possible, in school and university, getting granted a certificate from IBM MICROS~1 RedHat
[02:09]	starstreak	i use arch linucks btw
[02:10]	schestowitz[TR]	to deploy oracle java
[02:10]	schestowitz[TR]	with oracle DB
[02:10]	schestowitz[TR]	not postgres
[02:10]	schestowitz[TR]	"vas ist das???"
[02:11]	schestowitz[TR]	"the train is late; they forgot to activate the oracle licence.."
[02:11]	resistor	to my knowledge, there isn't at least sqlite3 ported over to some clean build-system, such as the one from Oasis Linux
[02:13]	resistor	as soon as any of this is required, a huge mountain of unmaintainable chaos is piled up, impossible or difficult to bootstrap
[02:13]	resistor	reminder, i was hitting severe blockers when bootstrapping GNU-toolchain, and GNU-buildsystem
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[02:14]	resistor	tested with tcc-toolchain, as a verification, if GNU can be tamed, no it can't, without rolling back to perl-5.8 from year 2003(!)
[02:14]	resistor	and the GNU buildsystem itself is, ok, for whatever else, but not inside any component required for critical infrastructure
[02:15]	resistor	and this is another one, where i crashing into a wall of problems: detangling GNU buildsystem from base system components
[02:16]	resistor	GNU creeped deep into with a _hard_ vendor lock where it does not belong, and where such a hard vendor lock should have NEVER existed to begin with
[02:17]	resistor	because, i would NEVER certify any system if any software dependency relied upon it, GNU buildsystem with a hard vendor lock
[02:18]	resistor	that's why, for example, MIT-licensed lua-interpreter or vis-editor are relevant, to have some development utilities to work with
[02:18]	resistor	i'll never ever again touch any python or Vim or anything like this
[02:18]	resistor	it's ok if this is used elsewhere, i won't accept it on my systems neither for private use at home nor within any project i was willing to join, if i will ever again
[02:19]	resistor	mjg59_: i am still waiting for a response from EPA germany, german telekom and german railway, which i had written some letter of intent with an offer to discuss some of these problems
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[02:21]	resistor	it is noteworthy, there seems noone willing to, even when i remained patient and polite for almost 20 years
[02:22]	starstreak	https://github.com/Wamphyre/BSD-XFCE
[02:22]	TR Bot	- Wamphyre/BSD-XFCE: Turn your FreeBSD system in a complete and reliable workstation and creative studio with no hassle in minutes! Feel the daemon inside!
[02:22]	reptilian_thrills	https://github.com/Wamphyre/BSD-XFCE <- why
[02:23]	reptilian_thrills	thunar is available in openbsd. what that says about the rest of xfce, idk
[02:23]	reptilian_thrills	its probably all there
[02:23]	reptilian_thrills	but you have to type startxfce at the command line
[02:23]	resistor	i wouldn't touch QNX anymore either, together with their glorious toolchain shipped
[02:23]	starstreak	it turns your FreeBSD into macOS
[02:23]	reptilian_thrills	oh, lol
[02:23]	resistor	at least, i would put QNX to test with the exact same standards, and i wouldn't say any more than this without violating NDA
[02:24]	reptilian_thrills	when you start openbsd, it doesnt even start
[02:24]	reptilian_thrills	you have to type startopenbsd for it to even boot you know
[02:25]	reptilian_thrills	otherwise it just sits there
[02:25]	reptilian_thrills	its gotten a lot better though
[02:25]	starstreak	i herd you gotta type startx to start x on openbsd, thats lame, ill never use openbsd
[02:25]	reptilian_thrills	you used to have to type startstartopenbsd just so you could tell it to startopenbsd
[02:25]	reptilian_thrills	 <starstreak> i herd you gotta type startx to start x on openbsd, thats lame, ill never use openbsd <- you also have to type stopx before it lets you shut down
[02:26]	reptilian_thrills	stopx wasnt even part of x11
[02:26]	reptilian_thrills	but its a fork so they can do what they want
[02:26]	resistor	even OpenBSD requires some compiler/toolchain, although they aren't affected by many other problems known elsewhere
[02:26]	reptilian_thrills	when you start the gui, the mouse doesnt do anything until you type startmouse
[02:26]	starstreak	you can compile the openbsd kernel using the Google Go compiler
[02:27]	reptilian_thrills	you used to have to type startkeyboard, but they fixed that in openbsd 4.7
[02:27]	resistor	and then, OpenBSD admit themselves, their ports tree is problematic
[02:28]	resistor	llvm/clang/c++ ok, for those who want this, and GNU toolchain is still there
[02:28]	resistor	however, i consider the verification against tcc-toolchain mandatory, even when GNU toolchain was chosen
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[02:28]	resistor	because, otherwise, again: _hard_ vendor lock
[02:28]	resistor	and neither GNU nor Apple deserve that much trust, to lock against them with a _hard_ vendor lock
[02:29]	resistor	that's why, them trying to hook into PCC compiler in year 2007 was relevant, although only accomplished, again, for x86
[02:30]	resistor	and x86 _only_ is yet another _hard_ vendor lock, the related manufacturers not deserving any trust whatsoever
[02:31]	resistor	as soon as anyone of them does this (GNU, Apple, IBM, MICROS~1), _hard_ vendor locking against themselves, any trust is void, they're out once and for all
[02:32]	DaemonFC	<mjg59_> DaemonFC: I thanked them for releasing a copy of the tooling with the debug symbols still there, which made it easier to reverse engineer how to do stuff that Intel don't publicly document
[02:32]	DaemonFC	<mjg59_> It is very weird to me how you manage to misinterpret so many things I say when other people seem to manage just fine
[02:32]	DaemonFC	Okay, so let me walk you through this, Matt.
[02:32]	resistor	reminder, ESA for example, chose some SPARC Leon, although the reasoning about such decisions obviously never had arrived where it should have
[02:32]	DaemonFC	When the bad guys add something nasty. You don't tell them you appreciate that they told you something about it.
[02:32]	resistor	and it isn't specific to SPARC Leon or any other system, it is the criteria to choose anything
[02:33]	DaemonFC	You say "Damn this thing! Here's what people should do to resist it instead!".
[02:33]	resistor	i mean, the necessitiy to reverse-engineer parts of any system, that's reasons enough to quit any cooperation with such malicious suppliers (Intel in this case)
[02:33]	DaemonFC	I don't want to know how ME works. I want to know how to disable and sabotage it.
[02:34]	resistor	instead, in east-germany, they decided to subsidize the corrupt monstrosity from the land of the evil, california, intel, to establish fabs in Magdeburg
[02:34]	DaemonFC	Unless they told you THAT, then you shouldn't thank them.
[02:34]	resistor	i had proposed to politicians there, to grab some strela-rockets instead as soon as intel arrived there
[02:34]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Firefox is pushing users to other browsers. Many of them to Chrome.
[02:35]	DaemonFC	Because it's just so annoying to use Firefox. Every time it updates, it's like, my my, we are the Chatty Cathy today, aren't we?
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[02:39]	DaemonFC	https://www.techspot.com/news/96392-someone-wrote-javascript-app-accurately-emulates-windows-95.html
[02:39]	TR Bot	wrote a Javascript app that accurately emulates Windows 95 on almost any platform | TechSpot
[02:39]	schestowitz[TR]	??
[02:39]	schestowitz[TR]	wrong title
[02:40]	schestowitz[TR]	that was years ago
[02:40]	schestowitz[TR]	this is just an update
[02:40]	schestowitz[TR]	it's electron garbage
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[02:40]	DaemonFC	I had many more instability problems with Windows 98 than with Windows 95. So to confirm that they were caused by Internet Explorer, I actually installed IE 4 with the Shell Update into a Windows 95, and started having the same stability problems there too.
[02:40]	DaemonFC	I then sought out RoM II SE to carve out all the crap in Windows 98, and install the Windows 95 B explorer.
[02:40]	DaemonFC	For the shell, you know.
[02:41]	schestowitz[TR]	now browesers are PF editors
[02:41]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe add that to the wallpaper
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[02:41]	schestowitz[TR]	so you can edito PDFs on your wallpaper ;-)
[02:41]	schestowitz[TR]	"active desktop"(TM)
[02:41]	schestowitz[TR]	Microsoft INNOVA~1
[02:41]	DaemonFC	Windows 98 only actually improved a few things, like runnin program code that was in the disk cache instead of one or the other (a significant drawback to Windows 95), more virtual address spacing, and the Windows Driver Model (which was mostly unused by devices until the XP era).
[02:42]	DaemonFC	I took a system that came with XP, put 98 on it, and tried to install Intel's drivers for the chipset and everything, and they software-blocked it.
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[02:42]	DaemonFC	So I dug out the INF files and stuff and installed them MANUALLY into Windows 98.
[02:42]	DaemonFC	Rebooted, and it all came up and worked fine.
[02:43]	resistor	in their early days micro-soft had been INNOVA~1, that's how far their minimal credibility reaches, up until late 1970s
[02:43]	DaemonFC	They've been in cahoots with Microsoft forever to stop people from rolling back to a copy of Windows that was less bloated and insane by preventing drivers from functioning, when there's no technical reason they shouldn't on the older operating system.
[02:44]	schestowitz[TR]	1970 s innovation?
[02:44]	schestowitz[TR]	name some
[02:44]	reptilian_thrills	c ? 
[02:44]	schestowitz[TR]	first 5 years of the company
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[02:44]	reptilian_thrills	unix?
[02:44]	resistor	schestowitz[TR]: their BASIC interpreter
[02:44]	schestowitz[TR]	BASIC was not theirs
[02:44]	resistor	which they released their source code for, 40years later
[02:44]	reptilian_thrills	i would say 7 bit teleypes but thats early/mid 60s
[02:44]	schestowitz[TR]	not Open SOurce
[02:44]	DaemonFC	I'm glad I don't have to think about drivers anymore.
[02:44]	reptilian_thrills	basic was 1963/64
[02:44]	resistor	the interpreter implementation was theirs and correctly contracted and licensed
[02:45]	DaemonFC	They just get updated with the rest of the OS. Microsoft still doesn't have anything like the flawless driver upgrade experience with GNU/Linux.
[02:45]	resistor	iirc at that time it was ALGO, anyway, no dispute with me over this, what to think of MICROS~1 nowadays
[02:45]	resistor	*ALGOL
[02:45]	reptilian_thrills	along with dtss, pre-unix timesharing
[02:45]	DaemonFC	You get the Intel shit that time forgot that says "Oh, I'm a Windows 10 1703 driver. Don't mind me on Windows 11, even though Intel releases updates every fuckin' month!".
[02:45]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2021/08/01/microsoft-myths/
[02:45]	reptilian_thrills	obviously multics also pre-unix timesharing
[02:45]	TR Bot	 Was Microsoft Ever First in the Market? | Techrights
[02:45]	DaemonFC	And this is "Modern Windows".
[02:46]	schestowitz[TR]	"BASIC was gained by dumpster diving and pawned off as if their own."
[02:46]	reptilian_thrills	it also had fortran
[02:46]	reptilian_thrills	yeah microsoft basic: dont pirate our pirated basic
[02:46]	reptilian_thrills	letter to suckers
[02:46]	DaemonFC	If Intel is releasing drivers that fix bugs and add features and making the GPU run faster every month, why is Windows Update installing drivers from 3-4 years ago?
[02:46]	DaemonFC	:)
[02:46]	reptilian_thrills	the ORIGINAL microsoft "open letter"
[02:47]	reptilian_thrills	also bullshit
[02:47]	resistor	schestowitz[TR]: they did release source code 40 years later, with copyright notices and everything, and i think they were honest with everyone involved in the development of this
[02:47]	reptilian_thrills	please pay us so we can continue pirating basic for you
[02:47]	reptilian_thrills	think about the time and work that our developers put into pirating basic
[02:47]	resistor	anyway, that's moot to discuss nowadays, the little credibility they might have had 40years ago, that's long gone
[02:47]	reptilian_thrills	if you pirate basic it will make that impossible 
[02:47]	DaemonFC	"We're worth a trillion dollars! Here, have a Windows 8 driver in your Windows 11. LOL! Thanks for pitching us mjg59_! We're a Security Company!".
[02:47]	MinceR	21 025400 < starstreak> Apple never licensed Intel ME so its actually absent in macbooks, so basically PC makers pay for a backdoor.
[02:48]	MinceR	try buying a boxed intHell CPU without IME
[02:48]	reptilian_thrills	/me waits for it
[02:48]	schestowitz[TR]	resistor:  you were nnot even born yet
[02:48]	schestowitz[TR]	you praise proprietary RIPOFF
[02:48]	schestowitz[TR]	which is still proprietary
[02:48]	schestowitz[TR]	"look, don't touch", IIRC
[02:48]	reptilian_thrills	shes right though
[02:48]	reptilian_thrills	the pc makers still pay for a backdoor
[02:48]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, So, Windows 10 just automatically puts a Windows 8 driver in the OS when you plug in a Western Digital EasyStore hard drive. The driver is not needed for the drive to work, but it does stop "Virtualization Based Security" from functioning, although the OS disables that quietly.
[02:49]	resistor	schestowitz[TR]: please, don't mis-represent my argument, i do not praise anything from anyone
[02:49]	DaemonFC	Can you ping some of your Microsoft Friends and mention this on your Shitter?
[02:49]	MinceR	yeah, but so does everyone else who buys an intHell, AMD or ARM CPU
[02:49]	reptilian_thrills	agreed, sadly
[02:49]	MinceR	or whatever SoC goes into raspberry pis
[02:49]	reptilian_thrills	but she never said otherwise
[02:49]	reptilian_thrills	yeah plus they get microsoft rtos on the gpu
[02:49]	resistor	and in particular don't i consent with any evil from IBM MICROS~1 Wintel Pentagon Computer (PC) nowadays
[02:49]	reptilian_thrills	plus raspyian
[02:49]	resistor	PC=Pentagon Computer
[02:50]	schestowitz[TR]	microsoft-acquired
[02:50]	MinceR	the nice thing is that i recently noticed that void linux has an image for the rpi4
[02:50]	reptilian_thrills	id rather have an soc without azure rtos
[02:50]	resistor	that's why i am saying, i would need to manufacture my own hardware, with an FPGA SoC, and that's a dead-end doomed to fail too
[02:50]	MinceR	same
[02:50]	reptilian_thrills	if i wanted microsoft firmware id get scruton
[02:50]	schestowitz[TR]	"Usually Microsoft doesn't develop products, we buy products. It's not a bad product, but bits and pieces are missing." -Arno Edelmann, Microsoft's European business security product manager
[02:50]	MinceR	hm, maybe there's a risc-v sbc without backdoors now
[02:51]	schestowitz[TR]	they co-opt that too now
[02:51]	reptilian_thrills	 It's not a bad product, but bits and pieces are missing <- 
[02:51]	schestowitz[TR]	via LF/Microsoft
[02:51]	resistor	FPGA is expensive, it is slow, and most SoC proposals are incomplete and/or depend on nasty _hard_ vendor-locks on the software-side
[02:51]	schestowitz[TR]	"OCP"
[02:51]	reptilian_thrills	"this could really use a backdoor"
[02:51]	schestowitz[TR]	Microsoft tent
[02:51]	resistor	i don't accept any vendor-lock into GNU either
[02:51]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], On throwing out the TV every three years, I said:
[02:51]	MinceR	Omni Computer Products
[02:51]	reptilian_thrills	backdoors ARE fun, but i dont want them in my computing
[02:52]	DaemonFC	"People around here just chuck the TV in someone's lawn in compliance with the Illinois e-waste disposal law. ;) Then they get in the car and buy a flat screen and tell the Walmart employee to put it in their trunk that's 3 sizes too small."
[02:52]	MinceR	"Please put down your weapon. You have 20 seconds to comply."
[02:52]		*DaemonFC slaps mjg59_ around a bit with a TV he found in the neighboring lawn, in compliance with the e-waste disposal law.
[02:53]	MinceR	s/Computer/Consumer/
[02:53]	DaemonFC	It's in there! You find a TV you have to do that!
[02:53]	MinceR	specifically to mjg59_?
[02:54]	DaemonFC	Yeah, you know, I slipped Mike Madigan $100 and it went right in there. I thought it was a bargain. AT&T paid him $21,500, but they wanted the total repeal of Carrier of Last Resort.
[02:54]	DaemonFC	Now we have a whole state that's legally obligated to throw old TVs at Matthew Garrett.
[02:55]	reptilian_thrills	 <schestowitz[TR]> "Usually Microsoft doesn't develop products, we buy products. It's not a bad product, but bits and pieces are missing." -Arno Edelmann
[02:55]	reptilian_thrills	 ^ linucks
[02:57]	resistor	in case of their BASIC interpreter this wasn't true, BillG and Allen and their contractors (Davidoff) did implement it themselves
[02:58]	resistor	sure, they did need a CP/M DOS system, and couldn't hack all this alone, and whatever the market situation was at that time (late 1970s), it wasn't BillG who spread CP/M or DOS before
[02:58]	resistor	they worked with what they had
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[02:59]	resistor	this is how i see it, in retro-spective, and nothing relevant changed since then, freedom ends where Washington Pentagon decided to it had
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[03:00]	resistor	in 1984 the protectionism and corruption "made in usa" was pushed further, with their SCPA
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[03:07]	DaemonFC	Everyone thought it would be Japanese TV sets that ate us alive and it just turned out to be cheap shit from China and Mexico under the same brands. You buy it, a year later it doesn't even work anymore. So you throw it in someone's lawn and head back up to Walmart.
[03:08]	DaemonFC	MinceR, See, my intention with that law was twofold, right?
[03:08]	DaemonFC	Eventually we have all of the TVs in a single pile and we get a free space elevator out of it, and mjg59_ is underneath all of that.
[03:11]	MinceR	lol
[03:11]	MinceR	i don't think it's that easy to build a space elevator
[03:12]	reptilian_thrills	space elevators should build themselves
[03:13]	reptilian_thrills	and cost 5 cents
[03:14]	DaemonFC	<resistor> in 1984 the protectionism and corruption "made in usa" was pushed further, with their SCPA
[03:14]	DaemonFC	I didn't realize we did make anything.
[03:15]	DaemonFC	The US Army sources uniforms and berets from China, guns from Italy.... I mean, it's ridiculous/
[03:15]	resistor	that's the root of all evil: Pentagon, and 1984 was still "cold war" with Reagon in office, who aggressively pushed protectionism
[03:15]	DaemonFC	We don't even control stuff like this.
[03:15]	resistor	i mean, east-germany couldn't have acquired a Zilog license, even if they had wanted to
[03:15]	DaemonFC	Didn't the Soviets make an unlicensed clone of that anyway?
[03:15]	resistor	40 years later, that's still a notable demarcation line in history of computers, the Z80 era
[03:16]	resistor	because, any later is f*** beyond repair nowadays
[03:16]	DaemonFC	You'd think a satellite state of theirs could get that.
[03:16]	resistor	well, yes, that's a coincidence, Z80 era intersected with 1984 SCPA from Ronald Reagan
[03:16]	DaemonFC	Communism completely falls apart.
[03:16]	DaemonFC	Example: Coffee.
[03:17]	resistor	that one wasn't that heavily fisted by anti-competitive habits of Shitel RAND Corp. California
[03:17]	DaemonFC	Their government couldn't even get coffee. Soon it ended up in barter, supplying weapons to third world countries engaging in civil war, for coffee.
[03:18]	resistor	east-germany did establish coffee planted in Vietnam, however those plants required time to grow, and once harvest was ready, east-germany had ceased to exist
[03:18]	resistor	and, there was coffee available, it was expensive
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[03:20]	resistor	DaemonFC: well yes, i am still digging inside the shattered peaces of the industry, of what they, USA, had smashed 40 years ago already
[03:20]	resistor	pieces
[03:21]	resistor	it's still hurting, the entire industry
[03:21]	resistor	including USA itself, and Biddler being desperate to re-establish semiconductor manufacturing fabs in the land of the devil of his
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[03:51]	resistor	anyway, the approach from oasis linux is, to keep a small and (insufficiently) clean base-system, similar to BSD, with additional GNU dependency creep remaining 100% _optional_
[03:52]	resistor	and this is very difficult to accomplish, because GNU-toolchain itself requires GNU-buildsystem with a huge dependency graph of entangled problems
[03:52]	resistor	so, the idea is NOT to avoid GNU, the idea is to prevent it from sneaking into where they cause too much trouble _early_ during bootstrapping/system-integration
[03:53]	resistor	including various circular dependencies of GNU itself
[03:54]	resistor	and there is several approaches to accomplish GNU detanglement: tcc-toolchain (utilized for GNU-toolchain, see bootstrappable.org), oasis linux build-system, and *BSD seem to avoid GNU autotools/configure-fun inside their base-system too (not sure)
[03:55]	resistor	that's why, whenever i see a GNU toolchain supplied by various vendors (and recently llvm/clang too), i know what to expect from this
[03:56]	resistor	it is not as bad as proprietary offerings, almost, because GNU and LLVM toolchains too are pestered with proprietary inter-dependencies
[03:57]	resistor	just see for yourself, what gcc is, $ man gcc ; and how much clutter was added to it to support _proprietary_ malicious vendor-extensions
[03:57]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/10/21/liz-truss-says-shell-resign-from-being-the-british-prime-minister-after-just-6-weeks-her-approval-is-12-her-disapproval-is-70/
[03:57]	TR Bot	 Liz Truss says shell resign from being the British Prime Minister after just 6 weeks. Her approval is 12%. Her disapproval is 70%. | BaronHK's Rants
[03:57]	resistor	and most targets those "free software" toolchains support are themselves, proprietary and malicious
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[03:59]	resistor	that's why, you can't just rely upon a GPL/GNU/FSF bannered hammered onto any supplied artifact, and say "see this is free software, let's celebrate"
[03:59]	resistor	banner
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[04:03]	DaemonFC	"Elon Musk plans to lay off most of Twitters workforce if and when he becomes owner of the social media company, according to a report Thursday by The Washington Post."
[04:03]	DaemonFC	LOL
[04:04]	resistor	and i mean, when GNU/FSF boast about some piece of Shitel RAND corp crap being reverse-engineered, i consider this an argument _AGAINST_ any such system which requires reverse-engineering
[04:05]	resistor	there is that many problems with this approach, except if you consider reverse-engineering the objective of GNU/FSF/"free software", i don't
[04:05]	DaemonFC	Cephied, Healthcare, San Francisco: 1,000 people sacked today. | Faire, Retail, San Francisco: 83 layoffs today | Sendoso, San Francisco, Undisclosed Number of layoffs today (Internal Memo).
[04:05]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], ^
[04:06]	DaemonFC	Fiserve, Wisconsin, Finance, 1,700 layoffs
[04:06]	DaemonFC	Loom, San Francisco, Undisclosed Number of layoffs (Internal Memo)
[04:06]	DaemonFC	Khoros, Austin, TX, Marketing: 150 layoffs.
[04:07]	DaemonFC	AtoB, San Francisco, Transportation: 45 layoffs.
[04:07]	DaemonFC	Leafly, Seattle, Marijuana: 56 layoffs.
[04:07]	DaemonFC	(21% of the company. Real Buzzkill.)
[04:08]	DaemonFC	Roofstock, San Francisco, Real Estate: 100 layoffs (20% of the company)
[04:08]	DaemonFC	Starry, Boston, "Product": 508 layoffs. (Half the company.)
[04:09]	DaemonFC	https://layoffstracker.com/starry-lays-off-50workforce-500-employees/
[04:09]	DaemonFC	https://layoffstracker.com/leafly-lays-off-56-employees-21-workforce/
[04:09]	TR Bot	Lays off 50%Workforce 500+ Employees - LayoffsTracker
[04:09]	TR Bot	Lays off 56 Employees 21% Workforce - LayoffsTracker
[04:10]	DaemonFC	Most of these layoffs were announced via LinkedIn.
[04:10]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Seems like half of San Francisco has been laid off in the past couple months.
[04:11]	DaemonFC	LinkedIn is mostly getting used as a way to announce the firings, not a jobs listing site.
[04:12]	DaemonFC	https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/news/2022/10/19/leafly-reducing-headcount-attrition-layoffs.html
[04:12]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[04:12]	DaemonFC	LOL, an app that helps people research Marijuana.
[04:12]	DaemonFC	The people on Marijuana don't seem to be doing too much research.
[04:12]	DaemonFC	The guy upstairs is coughing so bad he's either smoking pot or infected with COVID.
[04:13]	DaemonFC	Just like the rest of Waukegan.
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[06:13]	AdmFubar	coing soon... google to buy m$? https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/21/windows_subsystem_for_android_released/
[06:13]	TR Bot	 Windows Subsystem for Android declared ready for prime time The Register
[06:15]	AdmFubar	https://www.theregister.com/2022/10/20/basecamp_decamps_from_cloud/
[06:15]	TR Bot	 Basecamp decamps from cloud: Renting computers a 'bad deal' The Register
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[06:42]	DaemonFC	https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2022/10/20/zeus-living-egomotion-layoffs-flexliving-startup.html
[06:42]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[06:42]	DaemonFC	"Effective Dec. 16 Zeus Living plans to cut 64 employees, or about 46% of its current 140-person team."
[06:42]	DaemonFC	San Francisco
[06:42]	DaemonFC	https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-19/gopuff-fires-hundreds-more-staff-in-third-round-of-layoffs
[06:42]	TR Bot	- Are you a robot?
[06:43]	DaemonFC	"Gopuff Fires Up to 250 More Employees Amid Slowing Economy"
[06:43]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], NoPuff
[06:45]	DaemonFC	"While Gopuff executives had intended to eliminate the roles months ago, employees were not notified until recently. In an email sent to some employees last week, vice president of people Karen Fascenda said the delayed action was to ensure we maintain business continuity. Fascenda added that the job cuts would help to optimize for the companys long-term success and that there are no plans for incremental layoffs."
[06:45]	DaemonFC	Translation: If we told them they would have started looking for other jobs and so we let them know when it was convenient for _us_.
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[07:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[07:29]	DaemonFC	https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/20/facebook-shuttle-bus-drivers-face-layoffs-as-meta-slashes-costs-.html
[07:29]	TR Bot	 Facebook shuttle bus drivers face layoffs as Meta slashes costs
[07:31]	DaemonFC	https://www.indiewire.com/2022/10/criterion-layoffs-16-staffers-reorganization-1234774703/
[07:31]	TR Bot	Layoffs Affect 16 Staffers in Reorganization Move | IndieWire
[07:31]	DaemonFC	https://nypost.com/2022/10/20/deutsche-bank-lays-off-bankers-as-dealmaking-dries-up-sources/
[07:31]	TR Bot	 Deutsche Bank lays off bankers as dealmaking dries up: sources
[07:31]	DaemonFC	https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufacturing/jj-and-corning-put-more-100-new-york-jobs-chopping-block-latest-pharma-layoff-round
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[07:45]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/10/21/firefox-adds-more-problems-with-version-106-profile-guided-optimization-doesnt-work-with-gcc-changes-settings-themes-without-asking/
[07:45]	TR Bot	 Firefox adds more problems with version 106. Profile Guided Optimization doesnt work with GCC. Changes settings/themes without asking. | BaronHK's Rants
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[07:48]	DaemonFC	Fixed
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[08:19]	TR News	#Techrights Bulletin for Thursday, October 20, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
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[08:19]	TR News	#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
[08:19]	TR Bot	 Techrights Full IPFS Index
[08:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[08:25]	TR News	"Just as I was finished setting up all of the hardware, we noticed that our ISP had dropped off a modem for us after we had informed them that we had our own and just needed the service transferred. Reminding me that, of course, you just can't trust those assholes." gemini://gemini.hitchhiker-linux.org/gemlog/moving_day_is_over.gmi
[08:32]	TR News	Advanced Linux Networks Command https://linuxhint.com/advanced_linux_network_commands/ Source: Linux Hint | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//linuxhint.com/advanced_linux_network_commands/
[08:32]	TR Bot	 Advanced Linux Networks Command
[08:36]	TR News	 (NEW): Fedora 37 Delayed http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Fedora_37_Delayed.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Fedora_37_Delayed.gmi 
[08:36]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Fedora 37 Delayed
[08:36]	TR News	 (NEW): Wallpaper Contest for Xfce 4.18 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Wallpaper_Contest_for_Xfce_4_18.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Wallpaper_Contest_for_Xfce_4_18.gmi 
[08:36]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Wallpaper Contest for Xfce 4.18
[08:38]	TR News	Logic to remove duplicate user-installed package https://bkhome.org/news/202210/logic-to-remove-duplicate-user-installed-package.html Source: Barry Kauler | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//bkhome.org/news/202210/logic-to-remove-duplicate-user-installed-package.html
[08:38]	TR Bot	 Logic to remove duplicate user-installed package
[08:40]	TR News	"Bush left with an 18% approval rating, being allowed to finish his second term." https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/10/21/liz-truss-says-shell-resign-from-being-the-british-prime-minister-after-just-6-weeks-her-approval-is-12-her-disapproval-is-70/
[08:40]	TR Bot	 Liz Truss says shell resign from being the British Prime Minister after just 6 weeks. Her approval is 12%. Her disapproval is 70%. | BaronHK's Rants
[08:42]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/today_s_howtos.gmi 
[08:42]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[08:46]	TR News	Linux NOT EVEN supported! But CNX goes with this trash as "Sponsored Post". Sellouts. https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/10/21/mobiletrans-secure-phone-to-phone-transfer-solution/
[08:46]	TR Bot	 MobileTrans - A secure phone-to-phone transfer solution (Sponsored) - CNX Software
[08:47]	TR News	"StarLabs, the British company whose laptops we've reviewed in several articles on this humble blog, has announced a bunch of brief detail about their upcoming laptop, the StarFighter, which will be available to pre-order in the next few days" https://www.linuxtechmore.com/2022/10/StarFighter-comes-with-tons-of-new-and-unique-features.html
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[08:47]	TR News	Another seemingly paid-for piece: http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/7_Best_Linux_Distros_For_Laptop_in_2022.shtml
[08:47]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines 7 Best Linux Distros For Laptop in 2022 (UPDATED)
[08:50]	TR News	Microsoft cannot secure its own system. Of course it cannot secure yours, either. It does not even want to. ttps://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/10/microsoft-under-fire-for-response-to-leak-of-2-4tb-of-sensitive-customer-data/
[08:52]	TR News	Microsoft = layoffs, disaster. There's a headline saying "UBS to have 50% of applications running in Microsoft Azure cloud". Errr. no!! That's 2018 'news' (PR) RECYCLED. To make Microsoft seem like it's doing well. Azure had its SECOND round of AZURE layoffs this year!
[08:53]	TR News	Microsoft Azure: you will HEAR about every company we paid to become a client... over and over again. Because don't have many. Also: we're laying off lots of workers. Profitability targets unmet.
[08:55]	TR News	IRC Proceedings: Thursday, October 20, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/21/irc-log-201022/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/21/irc-log-201022/
[08:55]	TR Bot	 IRC Proceedings: Thursday, October 20, 2022 | Techrights
[08:58]	TR News	Might as well sign your own. Do not outsource "trust". https://www.tecmint.com/best-ssl-certificate-authorities/
[08:58]	TR Bot	 Best Free and Low-Cost SSL Certificate Providers
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[09:17]	schestowitz[TR]	https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ca/202205010481
[09:17]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[09:17]	schestowitz[TR]	net and his wife
[09:17]	schestowitz[TR]	*nat
[09:17]	schestowitz[TR]	Directors / Officers
[09:17]	schestowitz[TR]	CORPORATION SERVICE COMPANY, agent
[09:17]	schestowitz[TR]	NATHANIEL FRIEDMAN
[09:17]	schestowitz[TR]	STEPHANIE SCHATZ
[09:18]	schestowitz[TR]	https://opencorporates.com/officers?jurisdiction_code=&q=Nathaniel+friedman+&utf8=
[09:18]	TR Bot	( status 400 @ https://opencorporates.com/officers?jurisdiction_code=&q=Nathaniel+friedman+&utf8= )
[09:18]	mjg59_	Incorproating is a pretty standard thing to do in the US as a tax avoidance mechanism
[09:18]	schestowitz[TR]	microsoft, github, xamarin.,..
[09:18]	schestowitz[TR]	ximian
[09:19]	mjg59_	In itself, that's not really an indication of anything
[09:19]	schestowitz[TR]	still a "corporate vice president" at Microsoft
[09:19]	schestowitz[TR]	https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_tx/0010404606
[09:19]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[09:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[09:20]	schestowitz[TR]	Furs
[09:20]	schestowitz[TR]	https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_oh/478567
[09:20]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[09:20]	schestowitz[TR]	are they ripping animal apart for FUR?
[09:20]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe furs is a name?
[09:20]	schestowitz[TR]	Incorporation Date
[09:20]	schestowitz[TR]	10 March 1976 (over 46 years ago)
[09:20]	schestowitz[TR]	probably animal abuse
[09:21]	schestowitz[TR]	oh dear
[09:21]	schestowitz[TR]	he is involved in a company that kills harmless animals
[09:21]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: Uh you're saying that Nat incorporated that company when he was -1 years old?
[09:21]	schestowitz[TR]	https://poshmark.com/listing/Brown-Mink-Fur-Shawl-5a809b75739d4879751d4b5b
[09:21]	TR Bot	Felix Friedman Furs | Jackets & Coats | Brown Mink Fur Shawl | Poshmark
[09:21]	schestowitz[TR]	minks
[09:22]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: He's listed as an incorporator and agent from 1976, but Nat was born in 1977
[09:22]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: Maybe this is a different Nat Friedman?
[09:22]	reptilian_thrills	 <mjg59_> schestowitz[TR]: Uh you're saying that Nat incorporated that company when he was -1 years old? <- yes, but only for purposes of torturing animals
[09:22]	schestowitz[TR]	there is no D.
[09:22]	schestowitz[TR]	another person
[09:22]	schestowitz[TR]	NATHANIEL JAY FRIEDMAN
[09:23]	schestowitz[TR]	I wonder how often the records get updatd
[09:23]	schestowitz[TR]	it says he is still at Microsoft
[09:23]	schestowitz[TR]	probably untrue
[09:23]	mjg59_	You just made an accusation about someone starting a company to kill animals before he was born
[09:24]	reptilian_thrills	 You just made an accusation about someone starting a company to kill animals before he was born <- im going to say its just as true to say that roy was speculating
[09:24]	reptilian_thrills	he was citing his sources and misunderstanding out loud
[09:24]	schestowitz[TR]	I am brainstorming in IRC
[09:24]	schestowitz[TR]	nat's friend shiver in their boots
[09:24]	reptilian_thrills	if he had written an article about it you could probably say he was making an accusation
[09:24]	mjg59_	09:21 < schestowitz[TR]> he is involved in a company that kills harmless animals
[09:24]	schestowitz[TR]	trying to convince me to no longer cover their scnadals
[09:24]	schestowitz[TR]	nat is a pervert
[09:24]	mjg59_	That's not speculation, that's an assertion
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[09:24]	schestowitz[TR]	and he would be employed nowhere if they knew him
[09:24]	reptilian_thrills	<mjg59_> 09:21 < schestowitz[TR]> he is involved in a company that kills harmless animals <- yes, if we ignore the context of that line of text youre absolutely right
[09:24]	schestowitz[TR]	worse than being a transphobe 10 years ago like mjg59_ 
[09:24]	reptilian_thrills	and if we look at the context, youre taking it out of context
[09:25]	schestowitz[TR]	*20
[09:25]	schestowitz[TR]	20ish
[09:25]	schestowitz[TR]	could be 10 too, but that was a typo
[09:25]	reptilian_thrills	you corrected him, he found the error, theres nothing more to it than that
[09:25]	mjg59_	I think the last time I met Nat was before 2010, so definitely wouldn't consider him a friend
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[09:25]	schestowitz[TR]	brb
[09:25]	reptilian_thrills	 the last time I met Nat <- i mean, you can be friends without meeting him
[09:25]	mjg59_	reptilian_thrills: Eh it's more that in the absence of correction he'll go with the assertion and then consider it to be true
[09:26]	schestowitz[TR]	they literally BEG me to not write about them
[09:26]	reptilian_thrills	 <mjg59_> reptilian_thrills: Eh it's more that in the absence of correction he'll go with the assertion and then consider it to be true <- i consider it insubstantial
[09:26]	mjg59_	Fair enough
[09:26]	schestowitz[TR]	begging from millioanires
[09:26]	schestowitz[TR]	that's ... rich
[09:26]	mjg59_	I'm not making a big deal of this
[09:26]	reptilian_thrills	no, but its fun to watch the wheels turn with both of you
[09:27]	mjg59_	I mean I didn't get a wedding invite or anythong from Nat
[09:27]	reptilian_thrills	you dont have identical styles, thats for sure
[09:27]	reptilian_thrills	I mean I didn't get a wedding invite or anythong from Nat <- yeah i have no idea what connection there is between you
[09:27]	reptilian_thrills	i dont know any big (direct) connection between github and the coup, and i would love to
[09:27]	reptilian_thrills	the biggest group by far is debian. gnome features prominently. and red hat.
[09:27]	reptilian_thrills	among others
[09:28]	mjg59_	We were both contributing to GNOME in ~2002-2008, but that's it
[09:28]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, Are you a friend of the Microsoft Strangler?
[09:28]	reptilian_thrills	oh of course
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[09:28]	reptilian_thrills	i think i came across his involvement with gnome just once
[09:28]	mjg59_	Initially I was working on accessibility software, then did a bunch of work on power management
[09:28]	reptilian_thrills	wait
[09:28]	reptilian_thrills	nat friedman and de icaza
[09:28]	reptilian_thrills	of course
[09:28]	schestowitz[TR]	<resistor> linux 2.4 3million LoC (this was fat alread, and stuffed with corporate cancer such as ACPI), linux 5.10 30million LoC, and that's a death sentence to any decent kernel
[09:28]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: As far as I know I've never met Alex
[09:29]	reptilian_thrills	thats the big connection 
[09:29]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: He's definitely not on my contacts list
[09:29]	schestowitz[TR]	iirc, he is still in planet gnome
[09:29]	schestowitz[TR]	or at least fedora and debian
[09:29]	reptilian_thrills	i mean i consider it all open source
[09:29]	reptilian_thrills	including gnome
[09:29]	reptilian_thrills	and the purpose of open source is to take over free software and sell it off to corporations
[09:30]	reptilian_thrills	maybe originally, it was better than that. but it wasnt much better
[09:30]	reptilian_thrills	i dont think either perens or esr intended it this way
[09:30]	reptilian_thrills	but perens was already complaining one year in
[09:30]	reptilian_thrills	my guess is (always) that esr is a slave to his ego
[09:30]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, You've defended Microsoft CoPilot, the copyright infringement tool written to attack Free Software. It was the product of a rapist and a strangler. A rapist and a strangler of immigrants.
[09:30]	reptilian_thrills	and that it has caused him to fuck up everything he fooled himself into believing he was helping
[09:31]	mjg59_	Oh ESR's history proves he has no interest in free software, and anything associated with him is likely toxic to gree software
[09:31]	DaemonFC	Very high ethical standards, right?
[09:31]	DaemonFC	Only the finest people?
[09:31]	reptilian_thrills	 Oh ESR's history proves he has no interest in free software <- im not equipped to argue with this and it supports my point
[09:31]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: Do you want "IP" law to apply to more things?
[09:31]	reptilian_thrills	 and anything associated with him is likely toxic to gree software <- i think this is more of a personal opinion based on his character
[09:32]	reptilian_thrills	which we both agree (i assume) is batshit and too awful to be called simply "problematic"
[09:32]	DaemonFC	They didn't train it on any of Microsoft's proprietary software so that it would insert pieces it learned from Windows or something in as a suggestion, did they Matt?
[09:32]	DaemonFC	So that really undermines your argument
[09:32]	reptilian_thrills	ariadne calls him a white supremacist, and i consider her half-sceptic 
[09:32]	reptilian_thrills	(in other words shes as likely to debunk a theory as support it)
[09:32]	DaemonFC	They set it to learn from things that they don't hold any copyrights to.
[09:33]	reptilian_thrills	i mean i consider debian and red hat toxic to free software
[09:33]	reptilian_thrills	then again, debians ties to open source are foundational
[09:33]	DaemonFC	If they trained it on a pile of Microsoft software, it would be about 6 times more likely to suggest some seriously broken code, according to figures from Coverity Scan, but that was proprietary software in general.
[09:33]	reptilian_thrills	perhaps incidental, in a way, but foundational nonetheless
[09:34]	DaemonFC	Microsoft's is probably bad even by that standard if you go by how shitty Windows is.
[09:35]	mjg59_	My argument is not that Copilot is a moral good, my argument is that the free software community shouldn't have a reflex reaction to claim that laws that prevent the free exchange of ideas should apply to more things
[09:35]	DaemonFC	Windows 8 was unbelievably shitty, Windows 10 was worse. I'm not seeing people say nice things about "11".
[09:35]	DaemonFC	When you literally violate the license of software by copy/pasting entire segments of it into your program.....
[09:36]	reptilian_thrills	the free software community shouldn't have a reflex reaction <- id protest, but the free software community seems to be on autopilot with nowhere to go and no idea where its going
[09:36]	DaemonFC	You've violated copyright law, no matter where you got that idea from.
[09:36]	DaemonFC	CoPilot is just a partner in crime.
[09:36]	reptilian_thrills	id protest because i dont like either side of the argument really
[09:36]	mjg59_	Man the fucking starting point of free software was an objection to the idea that copyright should apply to software
[09:36]	reptilian_thrills	yes but theres a nuance
[09:36]	DaemonFC	When Microsoft open sources EVERYTHING and gives it away for free, I'll stop complaining about CoPilot.
[09:36]	schestowitz[TR]	BS
[09:36]	DaemonFC	Fair enough?
[09:36]	mjg59_	Which, we should remember, only came into existence as a concept in the 80s
[09:37]	schestowitz[TR]	GNu revisonism
[09:37]	reptilian_thrills	i dont get the "in the 80s" stigma
[09:37]	reptilian_thrills	that just means it goes all the way back to the beginning of free software.
[09:37]	mjg59_	The fucking free software song explicitly disclaims the idea of software licenses!
[09:37]	reptilian_thrills	all core tenets of free software (im sure there is an exception) goes back to "in the 80s" or even the 70s
[09:37]	DaemonFC	The GPL is a copyright license. It doesn't exist without the copyright laws.
[09:37]	reptilian_thrills	The fucking free software song explicitly disclaims the idea of software licenses! <- no
[09:38]	reptilian_thrills	only dirty licenses
[09:38]	DaemonFC	It was a reaction to the new (at the time) idea that software could even be copyrighted at all.
[09:38]	reptilian_thrills	i think its clear it refers to non-free licenses
[09:38]	reptilian_thrills	but its implicit
[09:38]	mjg59_	The GPL wouldn't work without software being copyrightable
[09:38]	DaemonFC	That would put us in a worse place than we are now.
[09:38]	reptilian_thrills	and we agree that in a world without copyright, the gpl wouldnt be necessary
[09:38]	mjg59_	So before that became the legal status quo, there was no need for free software
[09:39]	reptilian_thrills	i mean, i can quibble that i may agree with that LESS than you do
[09:39]	mjg59_	Because all software was free
[09:39]	DaemonFC	You could just make it non-Free by only giving people binaries and refusing to turn over any source code.
[09:39]	reptilian_thrills	but i agree mostly
[09:39]	DaemonFC	And there'd be nothing to stop you.
[09:39]	TR News	What encryption is, and why Kenyans should keep using it - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/what-is-encryption-global-encryption-day-2022/ Source: AccessNow | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/what-is-encryption-global-encryption-day-2022/
[09:39]	TR Bot	 What encryption is, and why Kenyans should keep using it - Access Now
[09:39]	reptilian_thrills	So before that became the legal status quo, there was no need for free software <- i can point out the historical error youre making
[09:39]	mjg59_	I think a lot of people underestimate how easy reverse engineering is
[09:39]	DaemonFC	Ending the notion of copyright law as it pertains to computer software, actually hurts Microsoft a lot less than Free Software.
[09:40]	TR News	ICBM Red Hat: You're using a MAC. Right? RIGHT? https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/10/21/rhel-9-and-single-node-openshift-vms-macos-ventura
[09:40]	DaemonFC	Because they already give you binaries and nothing else.
[09:40]	mjg59_	Oh ffs
[09:40]	TR Bot	 RHEL 9 and single node OpenShift as VMs on macOS Ventura | Red Hat Developer
[09:40]	reptilian_thrills	i think a lot of engineers overestimate how easy it is
[09:40]	mjg59_	Look
[09:40]	mjg59_	Yes
[09:40]	reptilian_thrills	especially in terms of time wasted
[09:40]	mjg59_	There's an obvious argument that copyright is what makes free software possible in its current form
[09:40]	DaemonFC	And people already extensively "pirate" proprietary software. The only thing that changes is Microsoft can't sue people who are already judgment proof anyway.
[09:41]	mjg59_	But that's an argument based on the state of the reality we have, not an alternate reality
[09:41]	DaemonFC	So they lose nothing, really, if software can't be copyrighted.
[09:41]	DaemonFC	But they can steal whatever they want and turn it into binaries.
[09:41]	reptilian_thrills	before software became copyrightable in the united states in 1980
[09:41]	DaemonFC	Which is what they intend for CoPilot to do.
[09:41]	TR News	Red Hat targeting Apple customers instead of Free software hackers is typical of what it became under IBM. They don't even use their own products. http://techrights.org/2020/08/02/red-hat-layoffs/
[09:41]	TR Bot	 IBM is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning, Jim Whitehurst Isnt Even Using GNU/Linux | Techrights
[09:42]	reptilian_thrills	as that was the date in which the terms of the copyright extension act of 1976 went into effect
[09:42]	reptilian_thrills	non-free software relied on those damn dirty ndas
[09:42]	mjg59_	I think the moral ideology of free software is aligned with code not being copyrightable
[09:42]	reptilian_thrills	so as long as contract law exists-- and i think it will outlast copyright
[09:42]	TR News	"Privacy is a fundamental human right and Kenyas constitution has important protections for privacy. Any laws or policies that seek to limit this right must be proportionate, necessary, and legal." https://www.accessnow.org/what-is-encryption-global-encryption-day-2022/
[09:42]	mjg59_	But we've confused that because the practical ideology of free software has developed in a universe where code *is* copyrightable
[09:43]	reptilian_thrills	an argument can be made (im NOT sure how strong an argument can be made) that without copyright, ndas could make software inaccessible in a way that copyleft could have helped
[09:43]	reptilian_thrills	WITH THAT SAID
[09:43]	mjg59_	And so we make choices that are aligned with agreeing that code should be copyrightable, instead of fighting a court decision from the 80s
[09:43]	DaemonFC	The only harm that could possibly come from the end of software copyright to Microsoft is that, like, ReactOS and Wine wouldn't have to say they clean room reverse-engineered their Windows-like interfaces anymore.
[09:43]	reptilian_thrills	i dont think thats a good enough reason to keep something as punch-yourselft-stupid as modern copyright
[09:43]	DaemonFC	They could straight up find a leaked copy of XP or disassemble a dll from Windows 11.
[09:43]	TR News	OPSOPSOPSOPSOPSOPSOPSOPSOPSOPS.... Red Hat all about the buzzwords these days. https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/10/digital-transformation-mlops-best-practices
[09:43]	TR Bot	 MLOps best practices for digital transformation | The Enterprisers Project
[09:43]	mjg59_	If we're going to make ideological arguments they shouldn't be based on whether or not we benefit
[09:44]	reptilian_thrills	but also, i think copyright is more likely to be abolished than rolled back to stallmans unicorn-rainbow-fart 5-year durations
[09:44]	mjg59_	The entire point of ideology is that it exists regardless of the impact
[09:44]	reptilian_thrills	which in fairness lessig would probably love too
[09:44]	reptilian_thrills	The entire point of ideology is that it exists regardless of the impact <- this is the closest to full self-awareness i expect
[09:44]	mjg59_	I'm fine with free software pragmatists arguing for stronger copyright law
[09:44]	TR News	"Digital transformation" = decommoditisation = moving to vendor lockin https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/10/digital-transformation-align-maintenance-production
[09:44]	TR Bot	 Digital transformation: How manufacturers align maintenance and production | The Enterprisers Project
[09:44]	reptilian_thrills	i mean thats mean, but its true
[09:45]	reptilian_thrills	I'm fine with free software pragmatists arguing for stronger copyright law <- god, im not
[09:45]	DaemonFC	I really doubt ReactOS would ever become usable with or without copyright law.
[09:45]	mjg59_	But free software ideologists shouldn't be making that argument
[09:45]	reptilian_thrills	im not sure there are enough free software people left to divide them into camps
[09:45]	reptilian_thrills	theyre already in camps
[09:45]	DaemonFC	Microsoft is undoubtedly aware of it and they don't care because it only works in a VM and is really only about where Windows Server 2003's OS components were anyway.
[09:45]	reptilian_thrills	but so were a lot of ibm workers in the 1940s
[09:46]	DaemonFC	The idea of cloning Windows to use as an OS is a complete waste of time.
[09:46]	DaemonFC	The only thing that comes of it that anyone can use are Wine contributions.
[09:46]	reptilian_thrills	thats more than a cheap joke, theres SORT OF a point to mentioning that
[09:46]	reptilian_thrills	in that free software is basically in a concentration camp and being killed off
[09:46]	reptilian_thrills	only its not people, its projects.
[09:46]	DaemonFC	Windows is so poorly designed and has so much bloat that you'd need to copy from that it's an exercise in futility.
[09:47]	DaemonFC	And most of the stuff you get compatibility with if you do it right is malware.
[09:47]	reptilian_thrills	and that camp is called githubschwitz
[09:47]	mjg59_	I feel like an important point here is that there isn't a coherent statement about what free software *is* in 2022
[09:47]	DaemonFC	Because the companies like Adobe are moving to Clown Computing anyway as their new DRM.
[09:47]	mjg59_	What are we fighting for?
[09:47]	reptilian_thrills	thats a "play" on auschwitz, any resemblance to roys name is-- i cant help if hes german
[09:47]	DaemonFC	And you can't study how it works.
[09:47]	mjg59_	What are our goals?
[09:47]	DaemonFC	It's on their server.
[09:47]	reptilian_thrills	 <mjg59_> What are our goals? <- the key goals of free software are:
[09:47]	reptilian_thrills	1. for all software to be free
[09:47]	reptilian_thrills	2. for users to control their computing
[09:48]	mjg59_	Yeah but that's just a recapitulation of the GNU manifesto
[09:48]	mjg59_	How do we apply that to now?
[09:48]	reptilian_thrills	the fsf already stopped caring about the second part between 2011-2015
[09:48]	mjg59_	To be clear, I don't disagree!
[09:48]	reptilian_thrills	<mjg59_> How do we apply that to now? <- create another free software movement now that a bunch of an-coms smashed the first one.
[09:49]	mjg59_	But what is the practical transformation of this ideology into the real world?
[09:49]	reptilian_thrills	but this time we watch out more carefully for corporate takeover and an-coms who dont know what the fuck theyre doing.
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[09:49]	reptilian_thrills	But what is the practical transformation of this ideology into the real world? <- no point talking about the real world when its just coded language for capitalism taking over everything.
[09:49]	mjg59_	reptilian_thrills: I'm actually interested in how you'd describe your political ideology
[09:49]	reptilian_thrills	if the point is to fix that, then theres a point.
[09:50]	mjg59_	Oh I'd happpily burn capitalism to the ground if I saw a plan to get to something better
[09:50]	reptilian_thrills	in how you'd describe your political ideology <- im not likely to put that on a silver platter for you, but im happy to give you what i consider a useful starting point.
[09:50]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, Did you see Windows 95 as an Electron app? It was interesting. Reminded me of how Microsoft didn't used to vomit all over the place and call it a GUI.
[09:50]	DaemonFC	Every piece of the GUI had a reason to actually be there.
[09:50]	DaemonFC	They haven't managed to do this since then.
[09:51]	reptilian_thrills	i was a small child when i got into computers. i was still pretty young when i got into "open source"
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[09:51]	TR Bot	 Mozilla Changes Firefox Settings/Themes Without Asking | Techrights
[09:51]	reptilian_thrills	late teens, early 20s, thereabouts
[09:51]	reptilian_thrills	this is relevant because my politics were not very developed
[09:51]	reptilian_thrills	they were mainstream
[09:52]	reptilian_thrills	i hated stupid wars (rarely theres a point but most wars are imperialist)
[09:52]	reptilian_thrills	i figured there were two choices
[09:52]	reptilian_thrills	i would have voted for al gore but there was a complication and i couldnt (its not that i wasnt legally allowed to vote)
[09:53]	reptilian_thrills	back then i still thought democrats gave a shit
[09:53]	reptilian_thrills	then 9/11 happened
[09:53]	reptilian_thrills	ive never supported the patriot nor will i ever vote for someone who supported the patriot act
[09:53]	reptilian_thrills	its just a giant shit on the constitution
[09:53]	reptilian_thrills	so the republican party is dead to me
[09:54]	reptilian_thrills	after obama, so is the democratic party
[09:54]	reptilian_thrills	i liked him at first
[09:54]	reptilian_thrills	i was in dc when he was elected. it was exciting as fuck.
[09:54]	TR News	Openwashing unwanted surveillance with euphemisms and Zemlin PAC (and its Microsoft/Gulag offshoot) https://opensource.com/article/22/10/observability-driven-development-opentelemetry
[09:54]	TR Bot	development with OpenTelemetry | Opensource.com
[09:54]	reptilian_thrills	i could have met him years later but i didnt give a shit. hillary too.
[09:54]	reptilian_thrills	anyway
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[09:55]	reptilian_thrills	i grew to think open source was bullshit and free software was honest
[09:55]	reptilian_thrills	at least the first half is true. the second half is at least relatively true.
[09:55]	TR News	"Last week I asked for testimonials for the FOSS Weekly newsletter and I have got a bunch of them. The difficult task is selecting and publishing a few from the lot. The testimonial page will be up after the Diwali festivities end, hopefully around Halloween." https://news.itsfoss.com/foss-weekly-22-39/
[09:55]	TR Bot	 FOSS Weekly #22.39: Ubuntu 22.10 Release Special, New Rhino Linux, Halloween Makeover, and More
[09:55]	reptilian_thrills	but also, the only people who seemed to give a shit about the constitution still were the libertarians
[09:56]	reptilian_thrills	i think thats funny now, but whatever
[09:56]	TR News	"hey kid, got an Internet connection? Want to... you know, add some telemetry for me...?
[09:56]	reptilian_thrills	free software made me more libertarian for a while
[09:56]	reptilian_thrills	i didnt really put any stock in corporations, but i thought free software proved that with enough attention to detail, and enough integrity
[09:56]	reptilian_thrills	you could push corporations to have "enlightened self-interest"
[09:57]	reptilian_thrills	that is now proven wrong imo.
[09:57]	schestowitz[TR]	bush believed in freedom
[09:57]	schestowitz[TR]	RMS reminds us
[09:57]	schestowitz[TR]	freedom cheapened
[09:57]	schestowitz[TR]	didn't bush get medal of liebrty too
[09:57]	mjg59_	Yeah I don't think we're going to win by virtue of convincing corporations this is a great plan
[09:57]	reptilian_thrills	no
[09:57]	reptilian_thrills	taking over corporations perhaps
[09:57]	schestowitz[TR]	like rush
[09:57]	reptilian_thrills	convincing them to do the right thing? never
[09:57]	schestowitz[TR]	rush managed to spread some brain cancer to other people
[09:58]	schestowitz[TR]	because an actual brain cancel killed him
[09:58]	reptilian_thrills	watching corporations take over free software and watching the github monopoly in action
[09:58]	reptilian_thrills	watching the fsf turn against its own mission convinced me of this much
[09:58]	reptilian_thrills	capitalism will never allow humanity to move forward
[09:58]	reptilian_thrills	it must die for humanity to move past this point
[09:58]	schestowitz[TR]	"move right over, rms and linus, we'll take it from here"
[09:58]	reptilian_thrills	and it can die, i wish it could feel pain
[09:59]	DaemonFC	So with Clown Computing and proprietary software already hiding how it works, what mjg59_ is arguing is that Free Software should have no copyright, so that large corporations can steal it, stick it on their server, modify it to do nasty things, and deprive the user of the ability to get a copy and run it themselves.
[09:59]	schestowitz[TR]	[corporation violently adds microsoft github to linux, e.g. rust, whether anyone wants it or not"
[09:59]	DaemonFC	Then Free Software can wither and die after they've picked it clean.
[09:59]	reptilian_thrills	now
[09:59]	schestowitz[TR]	"get out of the way, KID!"
[09:59]	schestowitz[TR]	"obkecting to rust is transphobic"
[09:59]	reptilian_thrills	i am broadly speaking an anticapitalist
[09:59]	reptilian_thrills	i am still a libertarian at heart, but not necessarily in methodology
[09:59]	reptilian_thrills	i still care about things libertarians care about
● Oct 21
[10:00]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: You argue for software being copyrightable, but you argue that HDCP is bad
[10:00]	reptilian_thrills	and one thing the nutty right and the nutty left can join together on is that the workers should be armed
[10:00]	reptilian_thrills	i dont consider myself a centrist
[10:00]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: Where do you draw the line on freedoms being restricted?
[10:00]	reptilian_thrills	but i dont think cancel culture is stable enough to fix the damage the right does
[10:00]	reptilian_thrills	the left needs the workers.
[10:00]	reptilian_thrills	cancelling all the workers who are right wing isnt going to achieve that.
[10:01]	reptilian_thrills	not that cancel culture would, but its more of a sore on the arse of progress than a bastion of it.
[10:01]	mjg59_	I guess another point I feel I need to make is that we shouldn't consider software authors differently
[10:01]	reptilian_thrills	well im a hobbyist who thinks USERS should control THEIR computing
[10:01]	reptilian_thrills	and while i think everyone should learn to code...
[10:01]	reptilian_thrills	im pretty tired of developers being cunts.
[10:01]	mjg59_	Any argument we apply to software should apply to any other field covered by copyright
[10:01]	reptilian_thrills	lennart is only the fucking archetype. there are so many like him.
[10:01]	reptilian_thrills	theyre all open source.
[10:02]	TR News	"The project is a true free Libre open source software (FLOSS) that is released under the GPL-v3.0 license." https://medevel.com/openscale-tracker/
[10:02]	TR Bot	 openScale: Free Libre Body Metrics Tracker That Respects Your Privacy
[10:02]	reptilian_thrills	 Any argument we apply to software should apply to any other field covered by copyright <- so you want to ignore the ways in which software is actually different
[10:02]	mjg59_	And if we want certain rights around non-software, clearly we should have those rights for software as well
[10:02]	reptilian_thrills	and always was different
[10:02]	mjg59_	(and vice versa)
[10:02]	reptilian_thrills	the fact is, copyright has ALWAYS applied differently to "useful works"
[10:02]	reptilian_thrills	its right in article 1 section 8
[10:02]	reptilian_thrills	and dont worry that usa isnt in the eu
[10:02]	reptilian_thrills	when it comes to copyright, everyone imports american bullshit.
[10:02]	mjg59_	reptilian_thrills: I'd actually love to have a good discussion about why software is different to, say, a textbook describing how to do a thing
[10:02]	reptilian_thrills	lets not fool ourselves
[10:03]	reptilian_thrills	I'd actually love to have a good discussion about why software is different to, say, a textbook describing how to do a thing <- im not at all familiar with the second example though.
[10:03]	reptilian_thrills	its more about software vs music or artwork.
[10:03]	mjg59_	Oh yeah I just know more authors than I do people engaged in other forms of art
[10:04]	reptilian_thrills	now, id like to point out-- if it were up to me, stallman for example, would COMPLETELY GRASP free culture, at least as well as lessig or even :| mako hill
[10:04]	reptilian_thrills	and i think stallman makes TOO MUCH of the difference. more than there is or should be.
[10:04]	mjg59_	If you want to make an argument that software is different from "art" then I'd embrace that!
[10:04]	reptilian_thrills	but you make too little of it-- strategies around copyright have to take into account (for now) 
[10:04]	reptilian_thrills	the fact that hundreds of years of copyright distinguish these things.
[10:05]	reptilian_thrills	thats not stallmans fault-- whats his fault is he makes too much of it.
[10:05]	DaemonFC	<mjg59_> DaemonFC: Where do you draw the line on freedoms being restricted?
[10:05]	reptilian_thrills	 that software is different from "art" then I'd embrace that <- not only different from art
[10:05]	reptilian_thrills	but the history of copyright distinguishes them
[10:05]	reptilian_thrills	this is important because for example you cant copyright clothing or food.
[10:05]	DaemonFC	The DMCA should be repealed, and then sabotaging DRM wouldn't be an offense anymore.
[10:05]	DaemonFC	Would it?
[10:05]	mjg59_	I don't think it's Stallman's fault that he took the position he did in 1984, but I do think it is that he didn't evolve his position in a coherent way as time progressed
[10:05]	reptilian_thrills	clothing you can protect trademarks
[10:06]	reptilian_thrills	 as time progressed <- this distinction hasnt changed fundamentally in two centuries.
[10:06]	reptilian_thrills	food you can copyright the expression in recipes
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[10:06]	reptilian_thrills	but you cant copyright food or clothing
[10:06]	mjg59_	reptilian_thrills: I think our understanding of what can be copyrighted vs what *should* be copyrighted has evolved to an extent
[10:06]	reptilian_thrills	unless they do fucked up bs to copyright-- and they certainly try 
[10:06]	mjg59_	(This is basically the basis for every Cory Doctorow story)
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[10:07]	reptilian_thrills	if stallman makes too much of it
[10:07]	reptilian_thrills	cory doctor makes a living based off it
[10:07]	reptilian_thrills	ow
[10:07]	reptilian_thrills	ive read several of his books and enjoyed them
[10:07]	reptilian_thrills	im not sure how useful he ultimately is to the discussion
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[10:07]	reptilian_thrills	but perhaps hes very useful
[10:08]	reptilian_thrills	im not sure
[10:08]	mjg59_	Oh I was just using him as an example of someone observing the arguments
[10:08]	mjg59_	Also I need to interview a candidate in the morning, so I need to go to bed now
[10:08]	reptilian_thrills	i prefer lessig to doctorow
[10:08]	mjg59_	But I'm extremely interested in this topic
[10:08]	reptilian_thrills	its an important topic
[10:08]	reptilian_thrills	one the fsf could have gotten right
[10:09]	mjg59_	I haven't seen a coherent argument about how copyright should apply to software as a whole from a free software perspective
[10:09]	reptilian_thrills	for years ive wished they would. moot now. for them at least.
[10:09]	reptilian_thrills	its hard to make an applicable, useful argument about that
[10:09]	mjg59_	And that influences how we should perceive things like Copilot
[10:09]	reptilian_thrills	moreso now that the movement is basically dead
[10:09]	reptilian_thrills	i guess copilot is a relevant thing
[10:10]	reptilian_thrills	but i dont think free software is any position to fight it even if they should (or even if they shouldnt)
[10:10]	reptilian_thrills	its probably just going to happen anyway
[10:10]	mjg59_	Yeah it's not an easy topic
[10:10]	reptilian_thrills	the fsf talks and then sthi happens either way
[10:10]	reptilian_thrills	these days they barely even talk
[10:10]	reptilian_thrills	like imo the whole thing about copilot is less the fsf
[10:10]	mjg59_	Right? I'd love the FSF to express opinions on this in a coherent way
[10:10]	reptilian_thrills	and more like water cooler discussion around what used to be the fsf offices
[10:11]	reptilian_thrills	 <mjg59_> Right? I'd love the FSF to express opinions on this in a coherent way <- i think the fsf is a non-profit shell corporation at this point
[10:11]	reptilian_thrills	i think it has no legitimacy-- not just on a moral level
[10:11]	mjg59_	I wouldn't necessarily agree with the FSF, but having a position to start the conversation from is valuable
[10:11]	reptilian_thrills	i think it literally serves no purpose in line with its mission
[10:11]	reptilian_thrills	having a position  <- having a position based on what? some staff? the inactive mailing lists? the lieplanet takeover?
[10:12]	reptilian_thrills	the treasurer/president?
[10:12]	mjg59_	Anyway I'm heading to bed
[10:12]	reptilian_thrills	yeah it was rhetorical anyway
[10:12]	mjg59_	Because I think being tired whie interviewing a candidate is a disservice to the candidate
[10:12]	reptilian_thrills	very much so
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[10:13]	reptilian_thrills	 Because I think being tired whie interviewing a candidate is a disservice to the candidate <- very much so
[10:13]	reptilian_thrills	it was ambiguous before
[10:13]	mjg59_	But I think my summary is "We can't talk about whether Copilot is a threat to free software until we decide what free software's position on copyright is"
[10:14]	reptilian_thrills	i can answer that
[10:14]	reptilian_thrills	free software doesnt have any real position left
[10:14]	reptilian_thrills	theyre a non-profit-for-hire
[10:14]	reptilian_thrills	stick your hand up in it and make it talk
[10:14]	reptilian_thrills	i can separate the movement from the org, if there was one.
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[10:14]	reptilian_thrills	i think they all fucked off
[10:14]	TR Bot	 Mozilla Changes Firefox Settings/Themes Without Asking | Techrights
[10:16]	reptilian_thrills	hire the fsf to hire people to make breadtube videos that are vaguely about what free software used to be, but also mostly about sweet fuck-all
[10:18]	reptilian_thrills	even youtube does a better job than the fsf and it gets loads of shit wrong
[10:19]	reptilian_thrills	plus 99% of it is about open source
[10:19]	reptilian_thrills	but the other part about free software is better than what the fsf does about it
[10:19]	reptilian_thrills	eventually open source will be all there is, microsoft gnu and ibm gcc
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[10:20]	reptilian_thrills	somebody stop them if they can
[10:20]	reptilian_thrills	open source is fake as hell
[10:33]	reptilian_thrills	its like a mjg has a right to stand up for his partner. what person wouldnt stand up for their partner?
[10:34]	reptilian_thrills	with that said, there are obvious questions (none of which are new) about his honesty, leading enough people (fsvo enough) to question whether his accusation about stallmans use of pronouns is honest
[10:34]	reptilian_thrills	nothing new there.
[10:34]	reptilian_thrills	roy lied to stallman about me once. for that he can go to hell.
[10:35]	reptilian_thrills	but i say we pit roys bs against mjgs, and have roy use his CLOSE relationship to stallman to get to the bottom of mjgs accusation
[10:36]	reptilian_thrills	 <schestowitz[TR]> <- yes you fucking did, and i wont ever forgive you for that
[10:36]	reptilian_thrills	but back to the point
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[10:37]	reptilian_thrills	actually, before i get back to the point
[10:37]	reptilian_thrills	schestowitz__ figosdev no longer writes for us. On many things I agree with him, but it always disturbed me that he urged you to step down (also some of the things he wrote about the FSF, a sort of "throwing the baby out with the bathwater"). Jan 04 11:34 http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-040121.html
[10:37]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Monday, January 04, 2021
[10:37]	reptilian_thrills	"Not only is it ancient history, with no bearing on the present, but you had fully explained the context previously. For him to bring this up now is simply a smear" -- Tom
[10:38]	reptilian_thrills	anyway, facts dont matter here. theres always bullshit and a mountain of bullshit weighs more than a simple fact, when facts dont fucking matter.
[10:38]	reptilian_thrills	but back to the point for real this time
[10:38]	reptilian_thrills	arsehole.
[10:39]	reptilian_thrills	roy should be able to solve this thing about stallman imo
[10:39]	reptilian_thrills	roy, being such an important key voice in the fight for software freedom (heh)
[10:40]	reptilian_thrills	should be able to get through the handlers and ask stallman if he indeed refused to use "they/them" for mjgs partner
[10:40]	reptilian_thrills	someone should, its a really important smear from one of the leaders of the coup
[10:41]	reptilian_thrills	and while i dont trust mjg per se, i cant deny that its just plausible enough. though i do give stallman more credit than that.
[10:41]	reptilian_thrills	exposing this (potential) like would be very useful in ways that are obvious
[10:41]	reptilian_thrills	both for stallmans sake and for the balance of power here.
[10:42]	reptilian_thrills	s/like/lie
[10:42]		*schestowitz[TR] back
[10:42]	schestowitz[TR]	(from exercise)
[10:42]	reptilian_thrills	i bet
[10:42]	schestowitz[TR]	you don't remember it the ay it actually haaaappened
[10:42]	schestowitz[TR]	from what I recall
[10:42]	schestowitz[TR]	johns and other sput pressure on RMS
[10:42]	schestowitz[TR]	against Techrights
[10:42]	schestowitz[TR]	mostly because of namecalling in TR
[10:42]	schestowitz[TR]	from your article
[10:42]	reptilian_thrills	i only have your directly quote (clearly about me, clearly to rms) from YOUR email.
[10:42]	schestowitz[TR]	RMS knew it was not a single author
[10:42]	schestowitz[TR]	lxo reminded him
[10:43]	schestowitz[TR]	and at the end he was OK with it all
[10:43]	schestowitz[TR]	TR is not one author
[10:43]	reptilian_thrills	thats not relevant to my complaint, none of what you just said is
[10:43]	schestowitz[TR]	RMSS does not relply much to anyone's email anymore
[10:43]	reptilian_thrills	but either way, this "stallman refuses to use they/them [even now]" thing is worth fixing
[10:43]	schestowitz[TR]	he has "babysittiing"
[10:43]	schestowitz[TR]	afaik, even updates in his site are now moderated
[10:43]	reptilian_thrills	RMSS does not relply much to anyone's email anymore <- im very aware of this
[10:44]	schestowitz[TR]	he has "caretaker" or 'caregiver'
[10:44]	reptilian_thrills	he has "babysittiing <- and what does that say to YOU about the fsf?
[10:44]	schestowitz[TR]	sort of like what mary jo foley said about microsoft
[10:44]	schestowitz[TR]	assigning 'buddies' to 'journalists'
[10:44]	reptilian_thrills	i know what it makes very clear to me
[10:44]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe same with torvalds
[10:44]	schestowitz[TR]	he uses lf address
[10:45]	schestowitz[TR]	so his bosses can read all his mails
[10:45]	reptilian_thrills	ive compared it to torvalds since day negative-80
[10:45]	reptilian_thrills	since BEFORE the ousting
[10:45]	reptilian_thrills	<schestowitz[TR]> so his bosses can read all his mail <- and they care about users privacy!
[10:45]	reptilian_thrills	but not founders!
[10:45]	reptilian_thrills	RIGHT!
[10:45]	schestowitz[TR]	some of torvalds' bosses are 100% mirosoft staff
[10:45]	schestowitz[TR]	so he probably cannot 'insult'' Microsoft
[10:46]	reptilian_thrills	 some of torvalds' bosses are 100% mirosoft staff <- s/torvalds/stallman/ s/mirosoft/ibm/
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[10:46]	reptilian_thrills	but either way, this "stallman refuses to use they/them [even now]" thing is worth fixing
[10:46]	reptilian_thrills	there has to be way 
[10:46]	reptilian_thrills	talk to dora.
[10:46]	reptilian_thrills	someone should talk to dora.
[10:46]	TR News	"Its time to get me up to speed with modern CSS." https://www.matuzo.at/blog/2022/100daysof-day19/ | Source: Manuel Matuzovic
[10:46]	TR Bot	 Day 19: the placeholder-shown pseudo-class - Manuel Matuzovi
[10:47]	reptilian_thrills	id say talk to lxo but eh, lxo is so loyal i dont even know if his reply is useful
[10:47]	reptilian_thrills	id trust stallmans reply
[10:47]	TR News	"AWS operating margins range anywhere from 25-30%." https://matt-rickard.com/cloud-repatriation-or-not | Source: Matt Rickard
[10:47]	TR Bot	 Cloud Repatriation or Not?
[10:47]	reptilian_thrills	doras reply could be instructive at least
[10:48]	TR News	"And the answer was - I was lazy and thought that it was complicated." https://aigarius.com/blog/2022/10/20/securing-your-blog-fast-and-easy/ | Source: Aigars Mahinovs
[10:48]	TR Bot	your blog - fast and easy | Aigarius Blog
[10:48]	TR News	"At first, it seems that its the bucketing that messes things up." https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/labels-spectrums-and-the-web/ | Source: Jim Nielsen
[10:48]	TR Bot	 Labels, Spectrums, and The Web - Jim Nielsens Blog
[10:48]	reptilian_thrills	but having mjg say this over and over with no way to counter it is unfortunate
[10:48]	reptilian_thrills	stallmans legacy is important. id say his position is important if he fucking had a position.
[10:49]	schestowitz[TR]	sorry, on and off irc
[10:49]	schestowitz[TR]	ye, dora is a curious one
[10:49]	schestowitz[TR]	I knew nothing about her
[10:49]	schestowitz[TR]	until someone named her
[10:49]	schestowitz[TR]	then I realised who she was and had a chat
[10:50]	schestowitz[TR]	lkxo is publishing linux-libre fast
[10:50]	schestowitz[TR]	he's on top of things
[10:50]	schestowitz[TR]	*lxo
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[10:50]	schestowitz[TR]	like within hours
[10:50]	schestowitz[TR]	getting things done is most important
[10:50]	schestowitz[TR]	the troilling and provocation try to disrupt that
[10:51]	schestowitz[TR]	and demoralise devs
[10:51]	schestowitz[TR]	so nothinhg get s done or preojects get abandoned for emoptional reasons
[10:51]	reptilian_thrills	the accusation that stallman refuses to use pronouns lends credence to the anti-rms letter
[10:51]	TR News	"This list is going to be short and there may be a sublist of distros with a medium strict standard." https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2022/10/20/362/ | Source: Systemd Free
[10:51]	TR Bot	 2022 hardcore list of linux distributions without elogind and other systemd parts | systemd-free linux community
[10:51]	schestowitz[TR]	lots of interesting stuff comine soon
[10:51]	schestowitz[TR]	re github
[10:51]	reptilian_thrills	this says nothing at all about the many reasonable people who have defended him
[10:52]	reptilian_thrills	it doesnt make him a terrible person
[10:52]	reptilian_thrills	at most it makes him autistic imo
[10:52]	reptilian_thrills	however, im not convinced he even refused.
[10:52]	schestowitz[TR]	turns out the person who  mjg59_'s spouse says raped her is close friends with Microsoft's serial strangler
[10:52]	schestowitz[TR]	the whole thing is messy
[10:52]	reptilian_thrills	more to the point
[10:52]	schestowitz[TR]	many people connected there in SF< around Microsoft
[10:52]	reptilian_thrills	<schestowitz[TR]> turns out the person who  mjg59_'s spouse says raped her is close friends with Microsoft's serial strangler <- thats interesting. i think its already disputed
[10:52]	schestowitz[TR]	Microsoft is the linkage
[10:52]	reptilian_thrills	but facts can dispute disputations.
[10:53]	reptilian_thrills	the person who  mjg59_'s spouse says raped her <- mjg isnt married and his partner is not a her btw
[10:53]	TR News	"Released Oct 20, 2022. (53rd OpenBSD release)" https://www.openbsd.org/72.html | Source: OpenBSD
[10:53]	TR Bot	 OpenBSD 7.2
[10:54]	reptilian_thrills	im not here to make a thing out of that, its just for facts sake
[10:54]	TR News	OPENBSD 7.2 https://www.talospace.com/2022/10/openbsd-72.html | Source: Talospace
[10:54]	TR Bot	 OpenBSD 7.2
[10:55]	reptilian_thrills	the thing that mjg keeps saying about stallman doesnt really support the notion that stallman is a terrible person
[10:57]	reptilian_thrills	what it DOES support however, is that the accusation of transphobia (while i think leahs commentary on that is the most useful here) wasnt COMPLETELY unsubstantiated.
[10:57]	reptilian_thrills	and that bothers me more if its NOT true
[10:57]	reptilian_thrills	its a shame if it is true
[10:57]	reptilian_thrills	if its NOT true its just stallman-smearing. that bothers me.
[10:57]	TR News	 (NEW): WisGate Connect Raspberry Pi CM4 gateway supports 2.5GbE, WiFi 6, BLE, LoRaWAN, 4G, 5G, and more http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/WisGate_Connect_Raspberry_Pi_CM4_gateway_supports_2_5GbE_WiFi_6.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/WisGate_Connect_Raspberry_Pi_CM4_gateway_supports_2_5GbE_WiFi_6.gmi 
[10:57]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines WisGate Connect Raspberry Pi CM4 gateway supports 2.5GbE, WiFi 6, BLE, LoRaWAN, 4G, 5G, and more
[10:58]	TR News	"This is predominantly an update of our last release (antiX-21)" https://antixlinux.com/antix-22-released/ |
[10:58]	TR Bot	 antiX-22 released antiX Linux
[10:58]	reptilian_thrills	but leahs position, and i hope i can do it justice here-- not to take it out of context or imply anything that wasnt said
[10:58]	reptilian_thrills	is that regarding pronouns, stallman is an idiot.
[10:58]	reptilian_thrills	or a fool. or the equivalent.
[10:59]	reptilian_thrills	not in general-- only regarding pronouns.
[10:59]	reptilian_thrills	that wasnt said a very long time ago, it was said here, in the past year or two.
[10:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 11.08 k/sec., IPFS upstream 128.01 average k/sec., average swarm size 120.85
[10:59]	TR News	"Weve been operating in stealth for the last few months, but now weve launched our first product" https://petewarden.com/2022/10/20/launching-useful-sensors/ | Source: Pete Warden
[10:59]	TR Bot	 Launching Useful Sensors! Pete Warden's blog
[10:59]	TR News	"Briefly in the last entry but mostly in the one previous I discussed the unusual 1978 Coleco Telstar Arcade console in its unique triangular form factor" https://oldvcr.blogspot.com/2022/10/one-more-7600-pong-coleco-telstar-gemini.html | Source: Old VCR
[10:59]	TR Bot	 Old Vintage Computing Research: One more MOS 7600 Pong: Coleco Telstar Gemini
[10:59]	reptilian_thrills	as far as i know it was based on his article about the topic-- which i think is UNNECESSARY (i dont agree with it) but "fair enough"
● Oct 21
[11:00]	reptilian_thrills	leahs take on it isnt unreasonable imo
[11:00]	reptilian_thrills	and leahs take while critical, doesnt hurt stallman or help the coup
[11:00]	reptilian_thrills	mjgs accusation does hurt stallman and/or help the coup, the question is how much substance there is to it
[11:01]	TR News	"in October 2022, curl and libcurl combined consist of nearly 150,000 lines" https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/10/18/deviating-from-specs/ | Source: Daniel Stenberg
[11:01]	TR Bot	from specs | daniel.haxx.se
[11:01]	TR News	"But when you write a proxy, you can trust no one." https://fasterthanli.me/articles/the-http-crash-course-nobody-asked-for | Source: Amos Wenger
[11:01]	TR Bot	 The HTTP crash course nobody asked for
[11:02]	reptilian_thrills	personally i think singular they is a gift to humanity, and its been in use for longer than the word "transgender" has existed (since the 1960s)
[11:02]	reptilian_thrills	its incredibly useful when you dont (or even cant) know the gender of the person youre referring to
[11:02]	reptilian_thrills	for example, when theyre completely anonymous.
[11:03]	reptilian_thrills	its usefulness goes far beyond trans rights
[11:03]	reptilian_thrills	 when theyre completely anonymous <- perfect example imo
[11:04]	reptilian_thrills	though i could have been referring to several people at once
[11:04]	reptilian_thrills	"they" doesnt fucking care.
[11:04]	reptilian_thrills	its the honey badger of pronouns
[11:04]	reptilian_thrills	its the dynamic type of pronouns
[11:04]	reptilian_thrills	youd expect a c-coder to be uncomfortable with it
[11:05]	reptilian_thrills	(not that there arent plenty of c-coders who know better. you can implement dynamic typing in c)
[11:05]	reptilian_thrills	turing completeness ftw
[11:08]	schestowitz[TR]	imho:
[11:08]	schestowitz[TR]	(still on and off irc)
[11:08]	schestowitz[TR]	this serves to distract from the work
[11:08]	schestowitz[TR]	all this pronoun thing
[11:08]	schestowitz[TR]	even if people take no positions
[11:08]	reptilian_thrills	its relevant to the coup
[11:08]	schestowitz[TR]	it's brought up as bait, quite a lot in fact
[11:09]	reptilian_thrills	i refer to the anti-stallman letter as a bunch of lies
[11:09]	schestowitz[TR]	so I say,
[11:09]	schestowitz[TR]	keep on coding
[11:09]	schestowitz[TR]	and writing
[11:09]	reptilian_thrills	mjg basically wont shut up about somethign that supports that the letter isnt ENTIRELY dishonest
[11:09]	reptilian_thrills	id like it debunked. or confirmed.
[11:09]	TR News	"They do it by looking to see if Indexed Database API is available" https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/10/20/t-mobile-joins-growing-number-of-sites-blocking-firefox-in-private-browsing-mode/ | Source: DaemonFC (Ryan Farmer)
[11:09]	TR Bot	 T-Mobile joins growing number of sites blocking Firefox in Private Browsing Mode. | BaronHK's Rants
[11:10]	schestowitz[TR]	^ dfc
[11:10]	schestowitz[TR]	he wrote many things about the person who wants him blacklisted
[11:10]	schestowitz[TR]	btw
[11:10]	reptilian_thrills	if it was confirmed we would have to face the fact that stallman wont use they because hes pedantic.
[11:10]	schestowitz[TR]	serious question
[11:10]	schestowitz[TR]	ask mjg if he also said "homophobic shit" 20 years ago
[11:10]	schestowitz[TR]	I bet he did
[11:10]	reptilian_thrills	he wrote many things about the person who wants him blacklisted <- i dont need to be given reasons to be untrusting of the source.
[11:10]	reptilian_thrills	i have as many reasons as you do.
[11:10]	schestowitz[TR]	and now he attacks gay people
[11:10]	schestowitz[TR]	trying to make them persona non grata
[11:11]	reptilian_thrills	and now he attacks gay people <- thats very funny
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR]	for merely pointing how how terrible 'secure' boot is
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR]	along with other 'secure core' BS
[11:11]	reptilian_thrills	for merely pointing how how terrible 'secure' boot is <- maybe, probably not the only reason
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR]	but wait
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR]	you mkiss the point :-)
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR]	he likes to accuse people like this
[11:11]	reptilian_thrills	i dont agree with the point
[11:12]	schestowitz[TR]	you are "Transphobic" is you criticise some org or project
[11:12]	reptilian_thrills	 he likes to accuse people like this <- this i agree with 100%
[11:12]	schestowitz[TR]	if some trans person is employed there
[11:12]	schestowitz[TR]	so I reciprocate
[11:12]	schestowitz[TR]	he attacks dfc
[11:12]	schestowitz[TR]	hence, he attacks gay people
[11:12]	schestowitz[TR]	and I bet you he said homophobic "shit" 20 years aog too
[11:12]	reptilian_thrills	<schestowitz[TR]> so I reciprocate <- <schestowitz[TR]> hence, he attacks gay people <- and as a joke, thats great
[11:12]	reptilian_thrills	it is
[11:12]	reptilian_thrills	it totally is 
[11:12]	schestowitz[TR]	that often goes hand in hadn with transphobia
[11:13]	reptilian_thrills	 and I bet you he said homophobic "shit" 20 years aog too <- the world was pretty homophobic 20 years ago 
[11:13]	TR News	"But I'm not the only person that has pushed for programming just for fun: [...]" https://austinhenley.com/blog/programmingasplay.html | Source: Austin Z Henley
[11:13]	TR Bot	 Programming as play - Austin Z. Henley
[11:13]	reptilian_thrills	moreso 30 years ago
[11:14]	reptilian_thrills	a lot of the world still is ofc
[11:14]	TR News	"I am happy to announce that curl receives funding from The Sovereign Tech Fund." https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/10/19/funded-curl-improvements/ | Source: Daniel Stenberg
[11:14]	TR Bot	curl improvements | daniel.haxx.se
[11:15]	reptilian_thrills	people still get disowned by their parents
[11:15]	reptilian_thrills	less now than then
[11:16]	reptilian_thrills	the way cancel culture works, a lot of people get cancelled for stances they dont even have
[11:16]	reptilian_thrills	stallman really is not a misogynist
[11:16]	reptilian_thrills	but was accused of such
[11:16]	reptilian_thrills	we can basically prove its not true
[11:17]	reptilian_thrills	a lot of people dont care about facts on the matter-- we can prove it, but the first rule of cancel culture is youre not allowed to win
[11:17]	reptilian_thrills	its nothing yossarian couldnt have told you about
[11:17]	reptilian_thrills	the first rule of cancel culture is catch 22
[11:18]	reptilian_thrills	maybe theyre numbered in descending order, idk
[11:18]	reptilian_thrills	in more modern literature, catch 22 is one of the few unavoidable rules of calvinball.
[11:19]	reptilian_thrills	calvinball is basically catch 22 made into a fun sport
[11:19]	TR News	"The marketing for Functional Programming is made of technobabble." Smut HEY ON on the clown? https://alexn.org/blog/2022/10/19/cut-the-technobabble/ | Source: Alexandru Nedelcu
[11:19]	TR Bot	 Cut the Technobabble - Alexandru Nedelcu
[11:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[11:21]	reptilian_thrills	the rules are made up by the players, on the spot, and they can be effectively retroactive
[11:21]	reptilian_thrills	whoever bullshits the best, wins-- but that doesnt really matter, as you can just keep playing and disqualifying the win
[11:21]	reptilian_thrills	its machavellian in nature
[11:22]	reptilian_thrills	in a cute way
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[11:24]	reptilian_thrills	cancel culture is mortal combat calvinball
[11:24]	reptilian_thrills	whoever bullshits the best wins, but the player on the accused team isnt allowed to 
[11:24]	reptilian_thrills	the only thing theyre allowed to do is suffer
[11:24]	reptilian_thrills	its usually non-lethal
[11:25]	reptilian_thrills	i doubt that it didnt take a year or two off stallmans life-- i mean of course, on top of the year or two it already ruined of his life
[11:25]	TR News	"From this aspect, the experience was great." https://jaylittle.com/post/view/2022/10/two-jobs-one-life-nothing-is-forever | Source: Jay Little
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[11:25]	TR Bot	 Jay Little - Software Obsessionist - Two Jobs, One Life: Nothing Is Forever
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[11:25]	TR News	"Meanwhile Amazon in particular is printing profits renting out servers at obscene margins." https://world.hey.com/dhh/why-we-re-leaving-the-cloud-654b47e0 |
[11:25]	TR Bot	 Why we're leaving the cloud
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[11:26]	reptilian_thrills	having thousands of people trying to destroy you over whats generally bullshit
[11:26]	TR News	"Over the past decade, cars have gotten more complex and computerized." https://www.wired.com/story/high-tech-cars-killing-the-traditional-auto-repair-shop/ | Source: Wired
[11:26]	TR Bot	Cars Are Killing the Auto Repair Shop | WIRED
[11:27]	reptilian_thrills	can only be incredibly stressful, even for someone in their prime
[11:28]	reptilian_thrills	 i doubt that it didnt take a year or two off stallmans life <- the whole thing was sociopathic
[11:28]	reptilian_thrills	but whoever heard of a friendly, caring mob?
[11:28]	TR News	[Old] "A Yubikey is this small piece of hardware device." https://tariosultan.com/blog/yubikey-ultimate-beginner-guide-how-to-setup |
[11:28]	TR Bot	 Yubikey - The Ultimate Beginner Guide (How to Setup & Use)
[11:29]	TR News	"Our conversation has been edited and condensed for clarity." https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/van-gogh-tomato-soup-national-gallery-london/671764/ | Source: The Atlantic
[11:29]	TR Bot	 A Museum Security Expert on How to Protect Great Art - The Atlantic
[11:29]	TR News	"A few weeks back I made the first alpha release of pizauth" https://tratt.net/laurie/blog/2022/pizauth_another_alpha_release.html | Source: Lawrence Tratt
[11:29]	TR Bot	communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s). ( status 0 @ https://tratt.net/laurie/blog/2022/pizauth_another_alpha_release.html )
[11:29]	reptilian_thrills	"gee, this is a nice place you got here. be a shame if someone sent you flowers or took you to lunch and got you away from work and stress for a while"
[11:30]	reptilian_thrills	"yeah, what my associate is trying to say is, youre okay-- also thats a nice tie"
[11:30]	reptilian_thrills	"why have we all got signs that say 'have a nice day'"
[11:31]	TR News	"Such biometric surveillance comes with new difficulties." https://digit.site36.net/2022/10/20/meeting-in-washington-eu-plans-biometric-super-database/ | Source: Site36
[11:31]	TR Bot	 Meeting in Washington: EU plans biometric super database Security Architectures in the EU
[11:31]	reptilian_thrills	"because we arent that kind of mob"
[11:31]	TR News	"The Texas attorney general filed a privacy lawsuit against Gulag on Thursday" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/20/technology/texas-google-privacy-lawsuit.html | Source: New York Times
[11:31]	TR Bot	 Texas Sues Google for Collecting Biometric Data Without Consent - The New York Times
[11:31]	TR News	"The chatcontrol regulation (see here for explanation) has been heavily criticized for various different reasons." https://maxim.tips/against-chatcontrol/ |
[11:31]	TR Bot	 Everyone against chatcontrol - Maxim's Blog
[11:31]	reptilian_thrills	"i guess that explains why so many people are carrying chocolates and flowers too"
[11:32]	TR News	"Ehteraz was a COVID-19 tracking app" https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/qatar-world-cup-visitors-cautioned-about-taking-mobiles.html | Source: IT Wire
[11:32]	TR Bot	- Qatar World Cup visitors cautioned about taking mobiles
[11:32]	TR News	"The one feature I want, which WhatsApp has and Signal does not, is the ability to easily export a chat to a text file." https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/10/interview-with-signals-new-president.html | Source: Bruce Schneier
[11:32]	TR Bot	with Signals New President - Schneier on Security
[11:32]	reptilian_thrills	"oh look, a mob-- are they angry and vicious or do they look friendly"
[11:32]	reptilian_thrills	"its the friendly kind"
[11:32]	reptilian_thrills	"oh, let them in then"
[11:32]	TR News	"But messaging apps especially encrypted messaging apps are a complicated business. Governments around the world really dislike encrypted messaging and often push companies to put in backdoors" https://www.theverge.com/23409716/signal-encryption-messaging-sms-meredith-whittaker-imessage-whatsapp-china | Source: The Verge
[11:32]	TR Bot	 Why Signal wont compromise on encryption, with president Meredith Whittaker - The Verge
[11:33]	reptilian_thrills	in freefall, when the anti-hero gets chased by an angry mob its customary to buy them ice cream after the chase
[11:34]	reptilian_thrills	he gets chased by an angry mob a lot because hes more trouble than even stallman
[11:35]	reptilian_thrills	hes from a planet where pickpocketing is a national sport, and basically an ideal in their society
[11:35]	reptilian_thrills	the mayor wants him dead
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[11:40]	TR News	"this is a story about whether a social platform" https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/18/23410512/meta-the-wire-facebook-xcheck-india-messy-fight | Source: The Verge
[11:40]	TR Bot	 Inside the messy fight between Meta and The Wire - The Verge
[11:41]	TR News	"Bitcoin Fails to Produce 1 Block for Over an Hour" https://blog.dshr.org/2022/10/a-white-swan-event.html | Source: David Rosenthal
[11:41]	TR Bot	 DSHR's Blog: A White Swan Event
[11:42]	TR News	"On October 12th, 2022, we received the following form letter" https://ar.al/2022/10/20/nlnet-grant-application-for-domain-rejected/ | Source: Aral Balkan
[11:42]	TR Bot	 NLnet Grant Application for Domain Rejected Aral Balkan
[11:43]	TR News	"Throughout the book he looks at many instances of people whove become violent" https://danielmiessler.com/blog/humiliation-is-deadly/ | Source: Daniel Miessler
[11:43]	TR Bot	 Humiliation is Deadly - Daniel Miessler
[11:43]	TR News	"The impact of such layoffs would likely be immediately felt by millions of users" https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/10/20/musk-twitter-acquisition-staff-cuts/ | Source: The Washington Post
[11:43]	TR Bot	 Planned cuts at Twitter likely to hurt content moderation, user security - The Washington Post
[11:44]	reptilian_thrills	i know this is self-serving, but i can only conclude that half of twitter is stupid (which is probably a generous assessment)
[11:45]	reptilian_thrills	Matthew Garrett @mjg59 1h
[11:45]	reptilian_thrills	Question: the Free Software Song says "We'll kick out those dirty licenses". Is this a rejection of licenses that constrain user freedom, or is a rejection of software being covered by copyright in the first place?
[11:45]	reptilian_thrills	50% Evil licenses are bad
[11:45]	reptilian_thrills	50% All licenses are bad
[11:45]	reptilian_thrills	122 votes 22 hours
[11:45]	TR News	"Saad Ibrahim Almadi, a 72-year-old retired project manager living in Florida, was arrested last November while visiting family in the kingdom and was sentenced earlier this month, his son Ibrahim told The Associated Press" https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/family-saudis-sentence-us-citizen-to-16-years-over-tweets/2022/10/18/91fbd360-4f0a-11ed-ada8-04e6e6bf8b19_story.html | Source: The Washington Post
[11:45]	TR Bot	 Family: Saudis sentence US citizen to 16 years over tweets - The Washington Post
[11:45]	reptilian_thrills	61 people actually interpreted that as the free software song being against copyright
[11:45]	TR News	Reminder: money for the acquisition of Twitter comes from the barbaric 'royal' family of Saudi Barbaria. They also have moles and eyes from the inside of Twitter.
[11:46]	reptilian_thrills	its worth mentioning that song was made up on the spot in a filk competition/festival
[11:46]	TR News	"American broadcasting company Cumulus Media abruptly announced Thursday during a morning talk show that its ending the KGO (810 AM) news-talk format as listeners know it" https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/SF-KGO-taken-off-air-17491656.php | Source: SFGate
[11:46]	TR Bot	 KGO host talks about Bay Area radio station's abrupt signoff
[11:46]	reptilian_thrills	 61 people actually interpreted <- im choosing to go with the assumption that the results are real. 
[11:46]	TR News	"country that you can lose everything for practicing your free speech rights" https://alirezahayati.com/2022/10/20/occupied/ | Source: Ali Reza Hayati
[11:46]	TR Bot	 Occupied - Ali Reza Hayati
[11:47]	reptilian_thrills	i think its interesting that its split 50/50 and find that much implausible
[11:47]	TR News	"In their response to an open letter sent by 54 Members of the European Parliament" https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/attack-on-net-neutrality-eu-commission-remains-stubborn/ | Source: Patrick Breyer
[11:47]	TR Bot	 Attack on net neutrality: EU Commission remains stubborn Patrick Breyer
[11:47]	reptilian_thrills	but i cant use that to prove or disprove anything
[11:47]	reptilian_thrills	id have to know a LOT more about stats and probability to do that
[11:48]	reptilian_thrills	i think only a scalia-like mindset could interpret it that way
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[11:49]	reptilian_thrills	one that takes a pedantic words-of-the-world, no-death-of-the-author, this-phrase-out-of-context-is-all-that-matters-and-context-never-does approach to reach this conclusion
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[11:50]	reptilian_thrills	in context its fucking obvious it refers to evil licenses
[11:50]	reptilian_thrills	what makes it refer to anything else? a very clear bias.
[11:50]	reptilian_thrills	open source specialises in contextectomies
[11:51]	reptilian_thrills	and it drives this fuck-with-copyright-and-see-what-happens nonsense
[11:51]	reptilian_thrills	kuhn / copyleftcon / lf / etc
[11:51]	reptilian_thrills	used to be osi, but osi has disbanded
[11:51]	reptilian_thrills	its far from dead-- its lifeforce has moved out into the world
[11:52]	TR News	"The piracy [sic] liability trial between several major record labels and ISP Grande Communications is underway." https://torrentfreak.com/isp-surprises-record-labels-with-innocent-infringer-witness-at-piracy-trial-221020/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[11:52]	TR Bot	Surprises Record Labels with 'Innocent Infringer' Witness at Piracy Trial * TorrentFreak
[11:52]	TR News	"The European Commission's work program for 2023 contains significant disappointment for rights holders." https://torrentfreak.com/ec-declines-to-end-live-piracy-now-but-offers-toolbox-to-fight-illegal-streams-221020/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[11:52]	TR Bot	Declines to "End Live Piracy Now" But Offers 'Toolbox' to Fight Illegal Streams * TorrentFreak
[11:52]	reptilian_thrills	to take over fsf and help github 
[11:52]	schestowitz[TR]	<reptilian_thrills> used to be osi, but osi has disbanded
[11:52]	schestowitz[TR]	more like sold
[11:52]	schestowitz[TR]	over time more people 'get' it
[11:52]	schestowitz[TR]	btw, many people read the LF articles this week, ouyr articles about LF
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[11:52]	schestowitz[TR]	over time more people catch up with what it really is
[11:53]	reptilian_thrills	lf is dying
[11:53]	schestowitz[TR]	once they get past the smokescreeen of mascot linus and the "diversity"pandering
[11:53]	schestowitz[TR]	LF standas for empire
[11:53]	schestowitz[TR]	for back doors
[11:53]	schestowitz[TR]	foprcoercion
[11:53]	schestowitz[TR]	and gpl violations
[11:53]	schestowitz[TR]	lf is onod dying
[11:53]	schestowitz[TR]	I never said it did
[11:53]	schestowitz[TR]	its credibility erodes
[11:53]	reptilian_thrills	how many years do you give lf to fall apart
[11:53]	schestowitz[TR]	except among those who take over it
[11:53]	schestowitz[TR]	to  them, lf is an asset
[11:53]	reptilian_thrills	 its credibility erodes <- fair enough
[11:54]	schestowitz[TR]	of course it won't have much value when the public realises it's not the same lf where cto was ian murdock
[11:54]	schestowitz[TR]	lf won't fall apart
[11:54]	schestowitz[TR]	they never announce it
[11:54]	reptilian_thrills	idk, the fsf is useless but it still has funds to prop it up 
[11:54]	schestowitz[TR]	like Microsoft products
[11:54]	schestowitz[TR]	they just qietly fade
[11:54]	schestowitz[TR]	like WSL
[11:55]	schestowitz[TR]	remember KIN and Zune?
[11:55]	schestowitz[TR]	Silverlight?
[11:55]	reptilian_thrills	i was just about to say "and zune"
[11:55]	schestowitz[TR]	how about mono?
[11:55]	reptilian_thrills	silverlight, flash + mono
[11:55]	schestowitz[TR]	you barely heard anything about mono anymore
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[11:55]	schestowitz[TR]	nat and miguel moved toi other stuff
[11:55]	reptilian_thrills	then steve jobs was like "fuck you, adobe"
[11:55]	reptilian_thrills	flash + mon <- conceptually that is
[11:55]	schestowitz[TR]	you hear when the is a bankruptcy
[11:56]	schestowitz[TR]	but not when the "last person flicks a switch"
[11:56]	schestowitz[TR]	the flicking is almost silent
[11:56]	schestowitz[TR]	depending on thr switch
[11:56]	schestowitz[TR]	and the media won't ever announce the switch-flicking
[11:56]	reptilian_thrills	well, take novell
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[11:56]	reptilian_thrills	theres no switch to flick off
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[11:56]	schestowitz[TR]	novell is not dead
[11:56]	reptilian_thrills	everything was sold
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[11:56]	schestowitz[TR]	go to novell.com
[11:56]	schestowitz[TR]	it's a redirection
[11:57]	reptilian_thrills	<schestowitz[TR]> novell is not dead <- for the love of all thats holy
[11:57]	schestowitz[TR]	elis is not dead
[11:57]	schestowitz[TR]	elvis
[11:57]	reptilian_thrills	you know when i bring up systemd being written by novell employees
[11:57]	schestowitz[TR]	he's living in paul mcccarhy's shoe rack
[11:57]	reptilian_thrills	im told novell is dead
[11:57]	reptilian_thrills	now its not?
[11:57]	schestowitz[TR]	joking
[11:57]	reptilian_thrills	he's living in paul mcccarhy's shoe rack <- im sure graceland is nicer than that
[11:58]	reptilian_thrills	<schestowitz[TR]> joking <- fair enough
[11:58]	schestowitz[TR]	kicking myself over failure to remember something from earlier this week
[11:58]	schestowitz[TR]	something that died
[11:58]	reptilian_thrills	id be interested
[11:58]	schestowitz[TR]	but was never "officially" announced as such
[11:58]	schestowitz[TR]	I don't remember what that was
[11:58]	reptilian_thrills	was it a company or a project of a company?
[11:58]	schestowitz[TR]	it's in irc logs anyway, and not important
[11:58]	reptilian_thrills	because products die all the time
[11:58]	schestowitz[TR]	don't wait for the "sorry we're closed" sign
[11:58]	schestowitz[TR]	or zdnewt saying x is dead
[11:58]	reptilian_thrills	and not important <- no, only interesting
[11:58]	schestowitz[TR]	they fade
[11:58]	schestowitz[TR]	and the death is never formally acknoledged
[11:59]	schestowitz[TR]	people just forget
[11:59]	schestowitz[TR]	all the shut down gulag and clown things go into "arhcive" or "maintenance"
[11:59]	schestowitz[TR]	or "our next phase"
[11:59]	schestowitz[TR]	and then they just die and go offline
[11:59]	schestowitz[TR]	nobody notices
[11:59]	schestowitz[TR]	how's Google Code doing?
[11:59]	schestowitz[TR]	CodePlex?
[11:59]	reptilian_thrills	i think people noticed when google shut down plus
[11:59]	schestowitz[TR]	they realised ages age there is no business model to it
● Oct 21
[12:00]	schestowitz[TR]	they need to employ many peoplle
[12:00]	reptilian_thrills	 CodePlex? <- beta version of github
[12:00]	schestowitz[TR]	to check you don't host malware
[12:00]	schestowitz[TR]	or tamper with their systems
[12:00]	schestowitz[TR]	then you need to moiderate
[12:00]	schestowitz[TR]	like if people upload isis decapitation videos or CP
[12:00]	schestowitz[TR]	so they shut down
[12:00]	reptilian_thrills	everything in moderation, including moderation
[12:00]	schestowitz[TR]	codeplex is microsoft's answer to gulag code
[12:00]	schestowitz[TR]	which tries to take on sourceforge
[12:01]	schestowitz[TR]	sourceforge used malware/adware tactics
[12:01]	schestowitz[TR]	to try to make money off ofm popular downloads such as gimp
[12:01]	reptilian_thrills	github is microsofts final solution to free software
[12:01]	reptilian_thrills	 sourceforge used malware/adware tactic <- not under original or present owners
[12:01]	reptilian_thrills	but yes
[12:01]	schestowitz[TR]	well, the final solution failed
[12:01]	schestowitz[TR]	germany was in rubble
[12:01]	schestowitz[TR]	and never recovered
[12:01]	schestowitz[TR]	sure, they did a lot of damage to europe
[12:01]	reptilian_thrills	well, the final solution failed <- genocide is often incomplete
[12:02]	reptilian_thrills	but still devastating
[12:02]	schestowitz[TR]	about 50 million killed, not counting china
[12:02]	reptilian_thrills	millions dead
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[12:02]	schestowitz[TR]	mao's revolution is another killer
[12:02]	reptilian_thrills	most communism in the world is based on stalinism
[12:02]	reptilian_thrills	stalinism was a really fucked up "version" of marxism
[12:03]	schestowitz[TR]	btw, a lot of berlin looks awful
[12:03]	schestowitz[TR]	esp. former east
[12:03]	reptilian_thrills	most of the world didnt even SEE marxism until stalin showed it to them
[12:03]	reptilian_thrills	and by then it was completely fucked
[12:03]	TR News	 (NEW): What? The Steam snap is evolving! http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/What_The_Steam_snap_is_evolving.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/What_The_Steam_snap_is_evolving.gmi 
[12:03]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines What? The Steam snap is evolving!
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[12:03]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
[12:04]	TR News	"Excited? Lets jump straight into our highlights." https://ubuntu.com//blog/whats-new-in-ubuntu-desktop-22-10-kinetic-kudu | Source: Ubuntu
[12:04]	TR Bot	new in Ubuntu Desktop 22.10, Kinetic Kudu | Ubuntu
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[12:06]	TR News	KSA https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/18/saudi-arabia-us-citizen-prison-critical-tweets-regime
[12:06]	TR Bot	 Saudi Arabia sentences US citizen to 16 years over tweets critical of regime | Saudi Arabia | The Guardian
[12:09]	schestowitz[TR]	"misguided or troll" https://mastodon.social/@thomasfuchs/109119178051486746
[12:09]	TR Bot	 Thomas "Vax/Boost/Mask" Fuchs: "I'm sorry, but normal people do not give any shit" - Mastodon
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[12:10]	TR News	"A205E Carrier Board which is compatible with Jetson Nano/Xavier NX" https://linuxgizmos.com/carrier-board-supports-jetson-nano-nx-modules/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
[12:10]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/carrier-board-supports-jetson-nano-nx-modules/ )
[12:11]	TR News	damage from closed source algorithms https://www.propublica.org/article/yieldstar-rent-increase-realpage-rent
[12:11]	TR Bot	 How a Secret Rent Algorithm Pushes Rents Higher ProPublica
[12:11]	TR News	business models https://pluralistic.net/tag/felony-contempt-of-business-model/
[12:11]	TR Bot	 felony contempt of business model Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
[12:12]	TR News	doctorow outsourced https://doctorow.medium.com/it-was-all-downhill-after-the-cuecat-cf8ecb250db2 medium paywall
[12:12]	TR Bot	 It was all downhill after the Cuecat | by Cory Doctorow | Oct, 2022 | Medium
[12:12]	TR News	iophk: ok, now they've gone after the small fish, what about the big ones like Microsoft? https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/20/technology/texas-google-privacy-lawsuit.html
[12:12]	TR Bot	 Texas Sues Google for Collecting Biometric Data Without Consent - The New York Times
[12:12]	TR News	GAFAM https://neritam.wordpress.com/2022/10/19/facebook-and-google-for-downgrading-humanity/
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[12:14]	TR News	"Snapshots of openSUSE Tumbleweed rolled out consistently this week." https://news.opensuse.org/2022/10/20/audacity-gear-gpg-update-in-tw/ | Source: OpenSUSE
[12:14]	TR Bot	 Audacity, Gear, GPG update in Tumbleweed - openSUSE News
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[12:18]	TR News	Qt Creator 8.0.2 released https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-creator-8.0.2-released Source: Qt | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.qt.io/blog/qt-creator-8.0.2-released
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[12:20]	TR News	Gardiner Bryant for Microsoft's proprietary garbage. AKA "Linux Gamer"... now just Steam (DRM) shill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky7-vdorVC0
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[12:24]	TR News	"In this post, we will learn how to configure proxy for apt command on Ubuntu and Debian systems" https://www.linuxbuzz.com/how-to-configure-proxy-for-apt-command/ | Source: Linux Buzz
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[12:28]	TR News	Vampire Survivors https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/vampire-survivors-started-a-craze-and-the-10-release-is-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[12:28]	TR Bot	Survivors started a craze and the 1.0 release is out now | GamingOnLinux
[12:28]	TR News	"Have you seen the Deckmate yet?" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/an-interview-with-the-creator-of-deckmate-the-steam-deck-attachment-system/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[12:28]	TR Bot	interview with the creator of Deckmate, the Steam Deck attachment system | GamingOnLinux
[12:28]	TR News	"Valve has now taken it down." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/someone-released-the-foss-rts-0-ad-on-steam-without-speaking-to-the-developers/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[12:28]	TR Bot	released the FOSS RTS 0 A.D. on Steam without speaking to the developers | GamingOnLinux
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[12:31]	reptilian_thrills	andreas fuchs signed the anti-stallman letter
[12:31]	reptilian_thrills	i dont know if its the same one but theres a github user named andreasfuchstpm
[12:32]	reptilian_thrills	pretty clear what that "rivalry" is about t hen
[12:32]	reptilian_thrills	oh you dont like tpm huh, well, guess what?
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[12:32]	reptilian_thrills	but i dont know how many andreas fucks there are
[12:32]	reptilian_thrills	they can certainly andreas fucks themselves
[12:33]	reptilian_thrills	or fuch themselves
[12:35]	schestowitz[TR]	at first I thought it was fuchs from freenode
[12:35]	schestowitz[TR]	and now liberal.shit
[12:35]	schestowitz[TR]	liberal as in centrist/corporate
[12:35]	schestowitz[TR]	I'm pro-left
[12:35]	schestowitz[TR]	these people are not really left
[12:35]	reptilian_thrills	<schestowitz[TR]> and now liberal.shit <- lol
[12:35]	schestowitz[TR]	they're conformists, "The System"
[12:35]	reptilian_thrills	/me knows a nice person from liberal.chat but it hasnt changed my opinion of the place
[12:36]	schestowitz[TR]	I spoke by email to fucks from freenode
[12:36]	reptilian_thrills	also leah is there i believe
[12:36]	schestowitz[TR]	when freenode was about to colapse
[12:36]	schestowitz[TR]	he's based in the land of chocolate
[12:36]	schestowitz[TR]	like pcock
[12:36]	schestowitz[TR]	but vvery different views
[12:36]	reptilian_thrills	im never entirely sure what pococks views are
[12:37]	reptilian_thrills	he was very useful in exposing fsfe at a time when it was desperately needed
[12:37]	TR News	"The point and click adventure genre is not only alive and well, it's positively thriving." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/fab-looking-western-adventure-rosewater-gets-a-big-demo-update-with-voice-actors/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[12:37]	TR Bot	looking western adventure Rosewater gets a big demo update with voice actors | GamingOnLinux
[12:37]	schestowitz[TR]	fsfe is very quiet this year
[12:37]	schestowitz[TR]	very very quiet
[12:37]	schestowitz[TR]	the fsfe's chief seems to be going solo
[12:37]	schestowitz[TR]	trying to sell books
[12:38]	reptilian_thrills	<schestowitz[TR]> trying to sell books <- hopefully he drops them on his dick
[12:38]	TR News	Relaying spam for AMD. Nothing to do with Linux, Liam. Come on, man.... https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/amd-to-fully-reveal-next-gen-amd-radeon-rdna-3-in-november/
[12:38]	TR Bot	to fully reveal next-gen AMD Radeon RDNA 3 in November | GamingOnLinux
[12:39]	schestowitz[TR]	reptilian_thrills: it would not hurt
[12:39]	schestowitz[TR]	unless he was in split oon the floor
[12:39]	schestowitz[TR]	or dropped them on a table
[12:39]	schestowitz[TR]	and even then... never mind
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[12:39]	reptilian_thrills	i dunno
[12:39]	reptilian_thrills	books have corners...
[12:40]	schestowitz[TR]	yeah, but you need a hard surface
[12:40]	schestowitz[TR]	table, floor
[12:40]	reptilian_thrills	a book is a hard surface
[12:40]	schestowitz[TR]	fsfe talks canceled
[12:40]	reptilian_thrills	im guessing your phd is not in topology 
[12:40]	schestowitz[TR]	reason: injury, unspecified
[12:40]	reptilian_thrills	 reason: injury, unspecified <- maybe he dropped some books in an uncomfortable place
[12:41]	schestowitz[TR]	but it seems dsoftback
[12:41]	schestowitz[TR]	I can che ck to be sure
[12:41]	schestowitz[TR]	he cannot write a long, thick book
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[12:41]	schestowitz[TR]	not even in his natire tongue
[12:41]	schestowitz[TR]	he targets the books at kids
[12:41]	schestowitz[TR]	some illustrator does the picture
[12:41]	reptilian_thrills	well he shouldnt drop books on any parts of a kid obviously
[12:42]	reptilian_thrills	some illustrator does the picture <- thats how it usually works
[12:42]	schestowitz[TR]	or he may get booked
[12:42]	reptilian_thrills	aha
[12:42]	schestowitz[TR]	booked to death
[12:42]	schestowitz[TR]	like women in pakistan
[12:42]	schestowitz[TR]	(uaulyl remote villages still do stoning)
[12:42]	reptilian_thrills	i dont know how he can put a book together-- the administration of the fsfe is spineless
[12:42]	schestowitz[TR]	they tried to remove my tweets
[12:42]	schestowitz[TR]	and my account
[12:43]	schestowitz[TR]	they also paid a nasty law firm to send threats to pocock
[12:43]	reptilian_thrills	which firm
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[12:45]	schestowitz[TR]	bird and bir
[12:45]	schestowitz[TR]	*bird
[12:45]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2020/08/29/debian-threats-bird-and-bird/
[12:45]	TR Bot	 Miriam Ballhausen and Debian Money, DebConf Online, Insulting a Volunteer at a Time of Grief | Techrights
[12:45]	schestowitz[TR]	same Bird & Bird: http://techrights.org/2020/08/17/goodbye-team-upc/  http://techrights.org/2020/10/08/wouter-pors-on-upc/
[12:45]	TR Bot	 Team UPC Has Almost Vanished | Techrights
[12:45]	TR Bot	 This Did Not Age Well: UPC to Start 5 Years Ago | Techrights
[12:45]	TR News	"A much loved action-horror classic Silent Hill 2 is getting a modern remake" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/silent-hill-2-remake-announced-and-coming-to-steam/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[12:45]	TR Bot	Hill 2 remake announced and coming to Steam | GamingOnLinux
[12:46]	TR News	"UNCHARTED: Legacy of Thieves Collection out now and Steam Deck Verified" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/10/uncharted-is-great-on-steam-deck-heres-how-to-fix-it-on-linux-desktop/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[12:46]	TR Bot	is great on Steam Deck! Here's how to fix it on Linux desktop | GamingOnLinux
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[12:46]	reptilian_thrills	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=9Gc4QTqslN4
[12:46]	TR Bot	 The Trashmen - Surfin Bird - Bird is the Word 1963 (RE-MASTERED) (ALT End Video) (OFFICIAL VIDEO) - Invidious
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[12:55]	TR News	 (NEW): Games: Vampire Survivors, Deckmate, 0 A.D., and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Games_Vampire_Survivors_Deckmate_0_A_D_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Games_Vampire_Survivors_Deckmate_0_A_D_and_More.gmi 
[12:55]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Games: Vampire Survivors, Deckmate, 0 A.D., and More
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[13:28]	TR News	"In the U.S. we have the novel and uniquely widespread phenomenon of vehicular homelessness" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/21/homeless-in-america-2/ | Source: Counter Punch
[13:28]	TR Bot	in America - CounterPunch.org
[13:30]	TR News	Rising Fascism in America: It Can Happen Here https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/21/democracy-under-siege-new-polling-reveals-anxieties-over-the-future-of-the-republic/ | Source: Counter Punch
[13:30]	TR Bot	Under Siege? New Polling Reveals Anxieties Over the Future of the Republic - CounterPunch.org
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[13:51]	TR News	GOP https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/21/gop-solutions-will-only-make-inflation-worse/ | Source: Counter Punch
[13:51]	TR Bot	Solutions Will Only Make Inflation Worse - CounterPunch.org
[13:55]	TR News	Ironically, Pro Publica bags bribes from famous criminal who spreads toxic (carcinogen) chemicals for profit. His name if Bill Gates. https://www.propublica.org/getinvolved/have-you-worked-with-hazardous-chemicals
[13:55]	TR Bot	 Do You Work With These Hazardous Chemicals? Tell Us About It. ProPublica
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[14:27]	TR News	"it seemed fairly obvious how all of this was going to go down." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/20/new-york-wants-to-destroy-free-speech-online-to-cover-up-for-their-own-failings-regarding-the-buffalo-shooting/ | Source: Techdirt
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[14:28]	TR News	SLAPP https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/20/some-good-news-planet-aid-agrees-to-pay-1-9-million-to-settle-its-slapp-suit-against-reveal-news/ | Source: Techdirt
[14:28]	TR Bot	Good News: Planet Aid Agrees To Pay $1.9 Million To Settle Its SLAPP Suit Against Reveal News | Techdirt
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[14:30]	TR News	"immigration" as spies https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/20/uk-immigration-officials-get-ice-y-scrape-phone-data-to-ring-up-an-immigrant-for-working-too-many-hours/ | Source: Techdirt
[14:30]	TR Bot	Immigration Officials Get ICE-y; Scrape Phone Data To Ring Up An Immigrant For Working Too Many Hours | Techdirt
[14:32]	TR News	"What sets the Thelio desktop line apart from other desktops is its system-specific thermal engineering" https://fossforce.com/2022/10/system76-moves-thelio-to-latest-intel-amd-chips/ | Source: Unicorn Media
[14:32]	TR Bot	 System76 Moves Thelio to Latest Intel & AMD Chips - FOSS Force
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[14:35]	TR News	assange https://thedissenter.org/manning-book-complicates-us-govt-case-assange/ | Source: The Dissenter
[14:35]	TR Bot	 Chelsea Manning's Book Undercuts US Case Against Assange
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[14:45]	TR News	"This is an interim release, meaning it will only be supported for nine months." https://fossforce.com/2022/10/ubuntus-kinetic-kudu-22-10-released-whats-new-for-desktop-server/ | Source: Unicorn Media
[14:45]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu's Kinetic Kudu 22.10 Released: What's New for Desktop & Server - FOSS Force
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[14:55]	TR News	Microsoft is fake https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/10/battle-with-bots-prompts-mass-purge-of-amazon-apple-employee-accounts-on-linkedin/ | Source: Krebs On Security
[14:55]	TR Bot	 Battle with Bots Prompts Mass Purge of Amazon, Apple Employee Accounts on LinkedIn Krebs on Security
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[15:04]	TR News	debt https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/americorps-student-loan-debt-forgiveness-biden/ | Source: The Nation
[15:04]	TR Bot	 Biden Should Invest in Communities, Not More Community Service | The Nation
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[15:23]	psydruid	lf is a Microsoft (and more) proxy
[15:24]	psydruid	"Linus, how is that proxy working out for you? where do you want to go today?"
[15:24]	schestowitz[TR]	I am preparing a post about it atm
[15:24]	schestowitz[TR]	sort of
[15:24]	schestowitz[TR]	phoroniux
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[15:46]	TR News	Way to Go, Phoronix (How to Alienate the Audience) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/21/phoronix-microsoft-slant/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/21/phoronix-microsoft-slant/
[15:46]	TR Bot	 Way to Go, Phoronix (How to Alienate the Audience) | Techrights
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[15:50]	TR News	Supercon https://hackaday.com/2022/10/20/2022-hackaday-supercon-final-talks-announced/ | Source: Hackaday
[15:50]	TR Bot	Hackaday Supercon: Final Talks Announced | Hackaday
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[16:04]	TR News	Where I'm At gemini://themby.smol.pub/2022-10-20
[16:05]	TR News	"Today my boss fired me. I'm relieved albeit extremely angry at him. I have a letter to send to the board about how he communicated with me that includes examples; I'll update how that goes perhaps in a new post." gemini://eph.smol.pub/1666302170
[16:06]	AdmFubar	https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/internet-connectivity-worldwide-impacted-by-severed-eu-subsea-cables/
[16:06]	TR News	Fusion vs the doomsday clock gemini://idiomdrottning.org/fusion
[16:06]	TR Bot	 Internet connectivity worldwide impacted by severed fiber cables in France
[16:09]	TR News	iOS has back doors. Don't do SSH from platforms that have back doors. gemini://gmi.noulin.net/2021-07-21-ssh-clients-in-ios.gmi
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[16:12]	TR News	SpellBinding: HIYNSWL Wordo: SIXES gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-10-21.gmi
[16:12]	TR News	SpellBinding: HIYNSWL Wordo: SIXES gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-10-21.gmi
[16:12]	schestowitz	"For chatting, I also use Apple Facetime and iMessage because it is private enough.
[16:12]	schestowitz	" It's not. NSA PRISM. gemini://gmi.noulin.net/2020-07-28-privacy.gmi
[16:12]	AdmFubar	https://tech.slashdot.org/story/22/10/21/0256202/new-jersey-legislators-aim-to-ban-most-in-car-subscriptions
[16:12]	TR Bot	 New Jersey Legislators Aim To Ban Most In-Car Subscriptions - Slashdot
[16:13]	TR News	My privacy settings in iOS and Android gemini://gmi.noulin.net/2022-02-24-my-privacy-settings-in-ios-and-android.gmi those platforms are NOT compatible with privacy
[16:13]	TR News	How to manage a mailing list? gemini://rawtext.club/~ploum/2022-10-21-managing-mailing-list.gmi
[16:13]	AdmFubar	https://yro.slashdot.org/story/22/10/20/2148215/ring-cameras-are-being-used-to-control-and-surveil-overworked-delivery-workers
[16:13]	TR Bot	 Ring Cameras Are Being Used To Control and Surveil Overworked Delivery Workers - Slashdot
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[16:15]	TR Bot	 Apple Bows To Pressure, Drops Plan To Buy Chinese Memory Chips - Slashdot
[16:16]	TR News	Semafor https://www.techdirt.com/2022/10/20/semafor-launches-into-a-very-broken-us-media-claiming-to-have-found-something-new-but-have-they/ | Source: Techdirt
[16:16]	TR Bot	Joins A Very Broken US Media Industry Claiming To Have Found The Cure For Eroded Trust In News. But Have They Really? | Techdirt
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[16:18]	schestowitz[TR]	amazon ring
[16:18]	schestowitz[TR]	no worse than the idiots who deploy these
[16:18]	schestowitz[TR]	and evne pay for te 'privilege
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[16:20]	TR News	"ber-powerful cyberdecks" https://hackaday.com/2022/10/20/2022-cyberdeck-contest-keezyboost40-is-a-cyberdeck-masquerading-as-a-keyboard/ | Source: Hackaday
[16:20]	TR Bot	Cyberdeck Contest: Keezyboost40 Is A Cyberdeck Masquerading As A Keyboard | Hackaday
[16:21]	TR News	CFPB https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/20/lawless-and-reckless-warren-condemns-fifth-circuit-attack-cfpb | Source: Common Dreams
[16:21]	TR Bot	 'Lawless and Reckless': Warren Condemns Fifth Circuit Attack on CFPB
[16:24]	psydruid	whenever I call this country "Nederland Microsoftland" on Dutch tech sites Microsoft slaves get triggered and downvote my comments into oblivion
[16:33]	schestowitz[TR]	statcounter shows nl is very microsoft-occupied
[16:33]	schestowitz[TR]	more than any large western european country
[16:34]	TR News	"My wife and I recently had the tremendous misfortune of needing to buy a car." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/10/20/so-called-gop-solutions-inflation-are-just-another-giveaway-rich-and-corporations | Source: Common Dreams
[16:34]	TR Bot	 Opinion | So-Called GOP 'Solutions' to Inflation Are Just Another Giveaway to the Rich and Corporations | Peter Certo
[16:34]	MinceR	what does it show about orbanistan?
[16:34]	schestowitz[TR]	not so good either, but I cannot remember exactly
[16:34]	MinceR	"We can't stop here, this is MICROS~1 country!"
[16:34]	schestowitz[TR]	I said large
[16:34]	schestowitz[TR]	and western europe
[16:34]	schestowitz[TR]	hungary is former ussr
[16:34]	MinceR	yeah, i know
[16:34]	schestowitz[TR]	still suffering
[16:34]	MinceR	that's why i asked :>
[16:35]	schestowitz[TR]	it has historric significant
[16:35]	schestowitz[TR]	but it's not known for anything but orban anymore
[16:35]	schestowitz[TR]	and people who LEFT the place
[16:35]	schestowitz[TR]	*significance
[16:35]	schestowitz[TR]	"quick! name a hungarian company!"
[16:35]	schestowitz[TR]	"errmm... hmmm"
[16:37]	schestowitz[TR]	https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/hungary/#monthly-202111-202203
[16:37]	TR Bot	 Desktop Operating System Market Share Hungary | Statcounter Global Stats
[16:38]	schestowitz[TR]	Windows holdinhg steady
[16:38]	schestowitz[TR]	at around 88%
[16:38]	schestowitz[TR]	in other countries it can be 60%-70%$
[16:38]	schestowitz[TR]	73% in nl 
[16:38]	schestowitz[TR]	https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/netherlands/#monthly-202111-202210
[16:38]	TR Bot	 Desktop Operating System Market Share Netherlands | Statcounter Global Stats
[16:39]	schestowitz[TR]	ballmer has got hungary by the balls
[16:39]	schestowitz[TR]	https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/india/#monthly-202111-202210
[16:39]	TR Bot	 Desktop Operating System Market Share India | Statcounter Global Stats
[16:40]	schestowitz[TR]	gnu/linux 3.2% https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/ukraine/#monthly-202111-202210
[16:40]	TR Bot	 Desktop Operating System Market Share Ukraine | Statcounter Global Stats
[16:42]	TR News	Decompiling https://hackaday.com/2022/10/20/decompiling-software-to-fix-an-old-solar-inverter/ | Source: Hackaday
[16:42]	TR Bot	Software To Fix An Old Solar Inverter | Hackaday
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[17:02]	MinceR	(cat) https://www.deviantart.com/furlined/art/He-Has-A-Complaint-909934683
[17:02]	TR Bot	Has A Complaint by FurLined on DeviantArt
[17:15]	TR News	"were enabled by mainstream media" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/21/our-bubble-has-been-burst-can-other-possibilities-now-exist/ | Source: Counter Punch
[17:15]	TR Bot	Bubble Has Been Burst: Can Other Possibilities Now Exist? - CounterPunch.org
[17:15]	TR News	"What if Journalism Disappeared?" https://www.projectcensored.org/what-if-journalism-disappeared/ | Source: Project Censored
[17:15]	TR Bot	reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.projectcensored.org/what-if-journalism-disappeared/ )
[17:16]	TR News	"If youve ever paged through the color samples at the hardware store trying to match a particular color" https://hackaday.com/2022/10/20/errf-22-building-a-library-of-filament-colors/ | Source: Hackaday
[17:16]	TR Bot	22: Building A Library Of Filament Colors | Hackaday
[17:16]	TR News	"[William Dudley] picked up a Fluke 8840A bench multimeter at an auction" https://hackaday.com/2022/10/20/a-homebrew-ac-upgrade-for-the-fluke-8840a/ | Source: Hackaday
[17:16]	TR Bot	Homebrew AC Upgrade For The Fluke 8840A | Hackaday
[17:17]	TR News	 (NEW): Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple System Information http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Alternatives_to_Apple_System_Informat.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Alternatives_to_Apple_System_Informat.gmi 
[17:17]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple System Information
[17:17]	TR News	 (NEW): Stable kernel 6.0.3 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Stable_kernel_6_0_3.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Stable_kernel_6_0_3.gmi 
[17:17]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Stable kernel 6.0.3
[17:17]	TR News	 (NEW): KDE neon Rebased on Jammy http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/KDE_neon_Rebased_on_Jammy.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/KDE_neon_Rebased_on_Jammy.gmi 
[17:17]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines KDE neon Rebased on Jammy
[17:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[17:25]	TR News	"advertising on disinformation sites" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/20/report-shows-google-other-ad-networks-fund-and-profit-climate-disinformation-sites | Source: Common Dreams
[17:25]	TR Bot	 Report Shows Google, Other Ad Networks Fund and Profit From Climate Disinformation Sites
[17:25]	TR News	"HP-41 arguably the best calculator ever made" https://hackaday.com/2022/10/21/hp-41c-the-forth-edition/ | Source: Hackaday
[17:25]	TR Bot	The Forth Edition | Hackaday
[17:26]	TR News	Accountable.U https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/20/judge-who-ruled-against-cfpb-took-thousands-wall-street-campaign-cash-watchdog | Source: Common Dreams
[17:26]	TR Bot	 Judge Who Ruled Against CFPB Took Thousands in Wall Street Campaign Cash: Watchdog
[17:27]	TR News	Alex Jones https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/10/21/alex-jones-got-what-a-deserved-a-libertarian-perspective/ | Source: Counter Punch
[17:27]	TR Bot	Jones Got What a Deserved: a Libertarian Perspective - CounterPunch.org
[17:28]	TR News	"Fed officials are making a mockery of ethicsand Chair Powell is failing to overhaul a culture of corruption." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/10/20/not-normal-fed-president-spoke-private-wall-street-forum | Source: Common Dreams
[17:28]	TR Bot	 'This Is Not Normal': Fed President Spoke at Private Wall Street Forum
[17:28]	TR News	Longboard https://hackaday.com/2022/10/20/unconventional-longboard-built-from-single-slice-of-tree/ | Source: Hackaday
[17:28]	TR Bot	Longboard Built From Single Slice Of Tree | Hackaday
[17:32]	TR News	Steam Just Got Better on Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/What_The_Steam_snap_is_evolving.shtml
[17:32]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines What? The Steam snap is evolving!
[17:35]	TR News	Using Qt as shared system libraries in Android https://www.qt.io/blog/using-qt-as-shared-system-libraries-in-android
[17:35]	TR Bot	 Using Qt as shared system libraries in Android
[17:35]	TR News	C/C++ Debugging Tools - KDAB https://www.kdab.com/c-cpp-debugging-tools/ Source: KDAB | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.kdab.com/c-cpp-debugging-tools/
[17:35]	TR Bot	Debugging Tools - KDAB
[17:37]	TR News	 (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Android_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Android_Leftovers.1.gmi 
[17:37]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
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[17:38]	MinceR	(audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnrHlYWcWgI
[17:38]	TR Bot	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=LnrHlYWcWgI
[17:38]	TR Bot	yewtu.be | Arrogant worms - Don't go into politics - Invidious
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[17:39]	TR News	LinuxToday CHANGED the headline to become some promotional Microsoft BS that's surveillance and proprietary https://www.linuxtoday.com/news/ubuntu-22-10-fails-to-include-azure-ad-support-rescheduled-to-23-04/
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[17:39]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu 22.10 Fails to Include Azure AD Support: Rescheduled to 23.04
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[17:43]	TR News	Spamnil not promoting anti-Linux FUD group, "Techstrong Research". These people actively work against FOSS.
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[17:48]	TR News	Pfizer Refuses to Explain What It's Selling https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/21/pfizer-secrecy/
[17:48]	TR Bot	timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/21/pfizer-secrecy/ )
[17:49]	TR News	Bubble Universes https://xkcd.com/2688/
[17:49]	TR Bot	Bubble Universes
[17:52]	TR News	#KeepItOn: 34 governments demand Iran ends internet restrictions https://www.accessnow.org/keepiton-governments-iran-internet-restrictions/
[17:52]	TR Bot	 #KeepItOn: 34 governments demand Iran ends internet restrictions - Access Now
[17:55]	TR News	Effecting positive change in the Internet of Things | Pen Test Partners <p class="dropcap-first"> <a class="readon" title="Pen Test Partners" href="https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/effecting-positive-change-in-the-internet-of-things/">Read on</a>
[17:55]	TR Bot	 Effecting positive change in the Internet of Things | Pen Test Partners
[17:55]	TR News	Cisco Releases Security Update for Cisco Identity Services Engine | CISA https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/10/21/cisco-releases-security-update-cisco-identity-services-engine Source: USCERT | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/10/21/cisco-releases-security-update-cisco-identity-services-engine
[17:55]	TR Bot	 Cisco Releases Security Update for Cisco Identity Services Engine | CISA
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[18:01]	TR News	36 months after COVID-19 breaskout and nearly 24 months after mass vaccination began we still have record numbers of deaths. Some nice products you got there... and profits.
[18:02]	TR News	 (NEW): FreeBSD Quarterly Status Report Third Quarter 2022 | The FreeBSD Project http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/FreeBSD_Quarterly_Status_Report_Third_Quarter_2022_The_FreeBSD_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/FreeBSD_Quarterly_Status_Report_Third_Quarter_2022_The_FreeBSD_.gmi 
[18:02]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines FreeBSD Quarterly Status Report Third Quarter 2022 | The FreeBSD Project
[18:03]	TR News	OpenBSD 7.2 released (UPDATEDx2) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/OpenBSD_7_2_released.shtml
[18:03]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines OpenBSD 7.2 released (UPDATEDx2)
[18:04]	TR News	Desperate for stories (because news is relatively slow), Mr. Larabel looks for action in the wrong places and opts for clickbait, probably for better engagement through entertainment http://techrights.org/2022/10/21/phoronix-microsoft-slant/
[18:04]	TR Bot	 Way to Go, Phoronix (How to Alienate the Audience) | Techrights
[18:04]	TR News	"European court paper, 35 pages of questions, criticisms, demands, lack of transparency none answered" https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/21/pfizer-secrecy/
[18:07]	TR News	Canonical releases Ubuntu Linux 22.10 Kinetic Kudu (UPDATEDx3) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/Canonical_releases_Ubuntu_Linux_22_10_Kinetic_Kudu.shtml
[18:07]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Canonical releases Ubuntu Linux 22.10 Kinetic Kudu (UPDATEDx3)
[18:08]	TR News	PostgreSQL: New podcast Postgres FM https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/new-podcast-postgres-fm-2529/ Source: PostgreSQL | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.postgresql.org/about/news/new-podcast-postgres-fm-2529/
[18:08]	TR Bot	 PostgreSQL: New podcast Postgres FM
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[18:09]	TR News	"While I often get to chat on camera with people in the free software space, usually those people devs or programmers or distro maintainers. But today I get a chance to talk to a theology professor who is also a huge advocate for free and open source software, especially in our schools and universities. Meet Dr. Corey Stephan..." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=GqC3ViXikLk
[18:09]	TR Bot	 Theology Professor and Free Software Advocate, Corey Stephan Ph.D. - Invidious
[18:09]	TR News	55: Kommercializing Open Source - Podcasts - TuxDigital https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/sudo-show/sudo-55/ Source: Tux Digital "Brandon and Neal have a conversation with Nate Graham about KDE and Plasma as a commercial platform"
[18:10]	TR Bot	Kommercializing Open Source - Podcasts - TuxDigital
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[18:10]	TR News	71: Google Says No to Stadia and Yes to Gaming Chromebooks? - Hardware Addicts - TuxDigital https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/hardware-addicts/ha-71/ Source: Tux Digital | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//tuxdigital.com/podcasts/hardware-addicts/ha-71/
[18:10]	TR Bot	Google Says No to Stadia and Yes to Gaming Chromebooks? - Hardware Addicts - TuxDigital
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[18:11]	TR News	"Crypto" fake-coin => junk(ed) hardware https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X44gW2BoSpc
[18:11]	TR Bot	https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=X44gW2BoSpc
[18:11]	TR Bot	invidious.esmailelbob.xyz | What to KNOW about Cheap Graphics Cards on eBay - Invidious
[18:12]	TR News	"The latest episode of the Sudo Show with Brandon Johnson and Neal Gompa has an interview with me, on the subject of Kommercializing KDE. Its quite relevant to my goal of getting our software on the all the hardware we can (AKA World Domination) so give it a listen!" https://pointieststick.com/2022/10/21/interview-on-the-sudo-show/
[18:12]	TR Bot	 Interview on the Sudo Show Adventures in Linux and KDE
[18:12]	TR News	"Alex gives Roon Labs whole home audio a try but discovers a critical design flaw while Chris checks out his new ODROID-H3+ and plans his next epic build." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/show/self-hosted/82/
[18:12]	TR Bot	 Roon Ready Ruh-Roh | Jupiter Broadcasting
[18:14]	TR News	Downtime again (ICBM can't get it up): Fedora Copr RPM/DNF/YUM storage needs a major upgrade, we'll need to stop processing the build queue for about 20 hours, and do two short HTTP (2x5 minutes) outages (dnf update will have problems to update anything being hosted in Fedora Copr during this short period)." https://status.fedoraproject.org/2022-10-28-copr-storage-change.html
[18:14]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://status.fedoraproject.org/2022-10-28-copr-storage-change.html )
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[18:17]	TR News	Adversarial ML Attack that Secretly Gives a Language Model a Point of View https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/10/adversarial-ml-attack-that-secretly-gives-a-language-model-a-point-of-view.html
[18:17]	TR Bot	ML Attack that Secretly Gives a Language Model a Point of View - Schneier on Security
[18:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[18:20]	TR News	 (NEW): Videos: Free Software Advocate Corey Stephan, Postgres FM, TuxDigital Shows, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Videos_Free_Software_Advocate_Corey_Stephan_Postgres_FM_TuxDigi.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Videos_Free_Software_Advocate_Corey_Stephan_Postgres_FM_TuxDigi.gmi 
[18:20]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Videos: Free Software Advocate Corey Stephan, Postgres FM, TuxDigital Shows, and More
[18:21]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22100236
[18:21]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/jm9xn8otpzq91.png created on 2022-10-02 10:29:24.755435
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[18:21]	starstreak	Arch Linucks is no longer modern. Ubuntu 22.10 came out with Gnome 43.
[18:21]	MinceR	sucks to be an arch linucks user then
[18:22]	starstreak	:(
[18:22]	TR News	Stratis 3.3.0 Release Notes https://stratis-storage.github.io/stratis-release-notes-3-3-0/ ICBM Red Hat outsourcing to Microsoft proprietary prison is the hallmark of severe incompetence
[18:22]	TR Bot	 Stratis Storage
[18:22]	MinceR	so how's your beard coming along, is it gray yet?
[18:22]	TR News	 (NEW): Security: Microsoft Failures, Patches, Fakes, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Security_Microsoft_Failures_Patches_Fakes_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Security_Microsoft_Failures_Patches_Fakes_and_More.gmi 
[18:22]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Security: Microsoft Failures, Patches, Fakes, and More
[18:23]	schestowitz[TR]	beardney
[18:24]	starstreak	are you talking to me?
[18:24]	starstreak	i dont have a beard
[18:24]	starstreak	i got my face laz0red
[18:26]	schestowitz[TR]	lizard :-_)
[18:26]	TR News	 (NEW): Red Hat Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/corporate_stuff_redhat.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/corporate_stuff_redhat.gmi 
[18:26]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Red Hat Leftovers
[18:28]	MinceR	https://unixgraybeard.com/
[18:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-unixgraybeard.com
[18:30]	schestowitz[TR]	not taking the piss, sorry :/
[18:30]	schestowitz[TR]	a year ago I asked someone about it
[18:30]	schestowitz[TR]	men have 3 options
[18:30]	schestowitz[TR]	grow a long beard and lert it be
[18:30]	schestowitz[TR]	shave often
[18:30]	schestowitz[TR]	do laz0r
[18:30]	schestowitz[TR]	there are pros and cons to each
[18:30]	MinceR	i took a 4th option
[18:30]	schestowitz[TR]	for me, shaving every 5 or so days means minimising the burden a bit
[18:31]	schestowitz[TR]	some people shave every day, which takes a ton of time
[18:31]	MinceR	i trim the stubble every few days
[18:31]	schestowitz[TR]	like women having to put at least soeme "basic" makup
[18:31]	schestowitz[TR]	that can take a lot longer
[18:31]	schestowitz[TR]	and cannot be done every [x] days
[18:31]	schestowitz[TR]	stubble trimming is also a good option
[18:31]	schestowitz[TR]	can be done with eelctric trimmer
[18:32]	MinceR	indeed
[18:32]	starstreak	<schestowitz[TR]> lizard :-_) <- :)
[18:32]	schestowitz[TR]	some of my stubble started to grey a little, maybe one in 1000 
[18:33]	schestowitz[TR]	by 50 it'll probably be mostly grey
[18:33]	TR News	 (NEW): Open Hardware: Arduino, SparkFun, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Open_Hardware_Arduino_SparkFun_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Open_Hardware_Arduino_SparkFun_and_More.gmi 
[18:33]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Open Hardware: Arduino, SparkFun, and More
[18:34]	schestowitz[TR]	Two Irishman walk into a barbershop, "I'll do the laz0r"
[18:34]	schestowitz[TR]	*men
[18:35]	schestowitz[TR]	Two Irishmen walk into a pub, "I'll be a lizard"
[18:38]	MinceR	:)
[18:38]	MinceR	liz4rd
[18:41]	schestowitz[TR]	linux-lz0rd
[18:41]	schestowitz[TR]	it's the same as Linux
[18:41]	schestowitz[TR]	but the man pages are not "mamn"
[18:41]	schestowitz[TR]	"man'
[18:41]	schestowitz[TR]	(I know man-pages are not part olf the kernel)
[18:42]	schestowitz[TR]	greopp is not grep either
[18:42]	schestowitz[TR]	it's greptoid
[18:42]	schestowitz[TR]	which is short for
[18:42]	schestowitz[TR]	global reptoid ;-)
[18:43]	MinceR	:>
[18:44]	MinceR	https://i.pinimg.com/originals/24/4e/74/244e7408860952ff7c6ecbd393ec9e4e.jpg
[18:44]	geert	whats the oldsters cooking up today
[18:44]	geert	uh oh
[18:45]	geert	;p
[18:45]	TR News	Why Is Linux Better Than Mac? The Comparison | Itsubuntu.com https://itsubuntu.com/why-is-linux-better-than-mac-the-comparison/ Source: It's Ubuntu (so shallow and weak, as usual)
[18:45]	TR Bot	Is Linux Better Than Mac? The Comparison | Itsubuntu.com
[18:45]	TR News	 (NEW): PostgreSQL: pgAdmin 4 v6.15 Released http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/PostgreSQL_pgAdmin_4_v6_15_Released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/PostgreSQL_pgAdmin_4_v6_15_Released.gmi 
[18:45]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22100228
[18:45]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines PostgreSQL: pgAdmin 4 v6.15 Released
[18:45]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/wdyuvymctpq91.jpg created on 2022-10-02 07:58:37.058411
[18:46]	TR News	ArcoLinux 22.11.02 is out https://www.arcolinux.info/ Arch-based distro from Belgium
[18:46]	TR Bot	 ArcoLinux | ArcoLinux
[18:48]	TR News	Enable AMD znver4 support and add instruction reservations https://gcc.gnu.org/git/?p=gcc.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf3b532b524ecacb3202ab2c8af419ffaaab7cff
[18:48]	TR Bot	Git - gcc.git/commitdiff
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[18:49]	TR News	GCC 13 work https://gcc.gnu.org/git/?p=gcc.git;a=commit;h=4e7ec7dbbbef3b4a83da5967b5f25e3be90c2dc6 https://gcc.gnu.org/git/?p=gcc.git;a=commitdiff;h=825d0041380378d978dfed6ea313e2ff9d2fce4c https://gcc.gnu.org/git/?p=gcc.git;a=commitdiff;h=406675947d26ccbc2108e9689a2918bb36f61a63
[18:49]	TR Bot	Git - gcc.git/commit
[18:49]	TR Bot	Git - gcc.git/commitdiff
[18:49]	TR Bot	Git - gcc.git/commitdiff
[18:51]	TR News	The frustrating RouterOSWireGuard VPN peering bug https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/routeros-wireguard-peer-bug.html
[18:51]	TR Bot	 The frustrating RouterOSWireGuard VPN peering bug | Ctrl blog
[18:52]	TR News	Project removes one line of code, adds one line of code, Phoronix takes screenshot of the change and writes 50 lines of text. 50 times longer than the actual code change! https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-TUN-Driver-1000x
[18:52]	TR Bot	TUN Network Driver May See A "1000x Speedup" With New, One-Line Patch - Phoronix
[18:53]	AdmFubar	https://www.darkreading.com/endpoint/a-common-password-list-accounts-for-nearly-all-cyberattacks
[18:53]	TR Bot	 List of Common Passwords Accounts for Nearly All Cyberattacks
[18:54]	TR News	59 lines of actual code: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/19149/diffs#74af3d354d48b41e9b2ee47981865c2a06a5a92e ~40-line wall of text from Phoronix: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Mesa-RUSTICL_ENABLE
[18:54]	TR Bot	 rusticl: add RUSTICL_ENABLE to have a global way of enabling devices (!19149) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab
[18:54]	TR Bot	Git Makes It Easier Activating Rusticl OpenCL Device Support - Phoronix
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[18:56]	reptilian_thrills	this is how open source and mjg (and not only mjg) have an exchange:
[18:56]	TR News	Some patches are like 1000 lines of code, but Phoronix cannot makes sense of them, so instead we hear about someone removing one line of code, replacing it with another, then take at face value the unverified claims of performance improvements (likely due to profoundly buggy, defective prior implementation)
[18:57]	reptilian_thrills	and why its ultimately pointless (at least in terms of an exchange. i wont go into other reasons its not entirely pointless)
[18:57]	reptilian_thrills	first, you find common ground. theres nothing wrong with that-- everyone agrees on something
[18:57]	schestowitz[TR]	AdmFubar: blame "Linux"
[18:57]	schestowitz[TR]	they get into "Linux"
[18:57]	reptilian_thrills	finding common ground isnt always about really finding common ground, its also an interrogation technique
[18:57]	schestowitz[TR]	with goodmorning 123
[18:58]	schestowitz[TR]	and install "backdoor"
[18:58]	reptilian_thrills	sometimes the good cop has more luck than the bad cop
[18:58]	reptilian_thrills	anyway
[18:58]	reptilian_thrills	what you do is, you have the same discussion. over. and over. and over.
[18:58]	schestowitz[TR]	hey, he is the one coming here
[18:58]	reptilian_thrills	it needs to be said, that just because this is being done, doesnt automatically mean the person doing it is WRONG in their position.
[18:58]	schestowitz[TR]	for a fight
[18:58]	schestowitz[TR]	and hawking over
[18:59]	schestowitz[TR]	looking for some ways to discredit us, mostly me
[18:59]	reptilian_thrills	yeah, because ariadne didnt point out how you trollhim until he shows up (my wording admittedly)
[18:59]	reptilian_thrills	well you discredit each other, painting it any other way is silly
[18:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 17.10 k/sec., IPFS upstream 98.76 average k/sec., average swarm size 105.48
[18:59]	reptilian_thrills	im not saying you dont have some REASON to discredit him
[18:59]	schestowitz[TR]	I usually respond to his blog
[18:59]	reptilian_thrills	if you do however, a rebuttal is predictable
[18:59]	reptilian_thrills	 <schestowitz[TR]> I usually respond to his blog <- i mean...
[18:59]	schestowitz[TR]	he does not like the response
[18:59]	reptilian_thrills	however, what i was saying about open source
[18:59]	reptilian_thrills	is that it has the same conversation over and over
[18:59]	MinceR	mjg59_ has credit? how?
● Oct 21
[19:00]	schestowitz[TR]	if you look back at Daily Links, we probably linked to 95% of his blog posts
[19:00]	schestowitz[TR]	I don't have to link blindly
[19:00]	reptilian_thrills	OFTEN based on some argument or even core principle of free software
[19:00]	schestowitz[TR]	anyone is allowed to express disgareement
[19:00]	reptilian_thrills	and heres what it does with those
[19:00]	reptilian_thrills	it just talks about the points that open source can agree with / work with / take advantage of
[19:01]	schestowitz[TR]	real-case scanrio
[19:01]	schestowitz[TR]	mjg says pluton is not a threat, at least not yet
[19:01]	schestowitz[TR]	I call BS on that
[19:01]	reptilian_thrills	then it refuses (often politely) to seriously consider the parts that are key to the fsf / free software position
[19:01]	schestowitz[TR]	and maybe even do a blog post or video
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[19:01]	reptilian_thrills	dismissing them as religous / ideology / old-fashioned / naive / irrelevant / unprofitable / stupid
[19:01]	reptilian_thrills	to be fair, the fsf cant be right about everything. no organisation is that good.
[19:01]	schestowitz[TR]	he is a money chaser
[19:02]	schestowitz[TR]	the economic arguments are weak
[19:02]	reptilian_thrills	so theyre going to get stuff wrong, and people are going to critique them
[19:02]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe wse need to change the economic incentives
[19:02]	schestowitz[TR]	there used to be more uni grants
[19:02]	reptilian_thrills	the problem with the open source argument is its dishonest
[19:02]	schestowitz[TR]	before the unis became dependent on "Grants" from corporations
[19:02]	reptilian_thrills	it never does anything more than reiterate whats already agreed on-- and dismiss anything it disagrees with or cant take advantage od
[19:02]	reptilian_thrills	of
[19:02]	reptilian_thrills	and it does it until free software is tired of arguing
[19:02]	reptilian_thrills	then it fucks off
[19:03]	reptilian_thrills	in a manufactured victory by default
[19:03]	reptilian_thrills	any honest person can see the problem with this
[19:03]	schestowitz[TR]	at the end it is mostly time-wasting 
[19:03]	schestowitz[TR]	we don't think alike
[19:03]	reptilian_thrills	but not everyone is honest, and open source is corporate apologism
[19:03]	schestowitz[TR]	he and I are VERY different
[19:03]	reptilian_thrills	mjg isnt the only person in here that does this btw
[19:03]	reptilian_thrills	so im singling him out but only as a GREAT example of this
[19:04]	reptilian_thrills	ive watched open source in general do it for more than a decade
[19:04]	schestowitz[TR]	true
[19:04]	reptilian_thrills	its such a corporate way to REFRAME every key issue
[19:04]	reptilian_thrills	its not an exchange of ideas
[19:04]	reptilian_thrills	its just reframing. every time.
[19:04]	schestowitz[TR]	not really
[19:04]	schestowitz[TR]	there are subtle differences troo
[19:04]	schestowitz[TR]	example:
[19:04]	reptilian_thrills	but there are other reasons to participate in such a "pointless" (mostly pointless) exchange
[19:04]	schestowitz[TR]	Free software: we need to liberate the user
[19:05]	schestowitz[TR]	or make sure users who seek loiberty can have it, download it
[19:05]	schestowitz[TR]	Open Sores: we need more collaboration
[19:05]	schestowitz[TR]	those are not the same
[19:05]	schestowitz[TR]	military companies collaborate a lot
[19:05]	schestowitz[TR]	they make bombs
[19:05]	schestowitz[TR]	they exchaange parts from their assemblies
[19:05]	reptilian_thrills	collaboration is good. this a perfect example of something open source can reframe
[19:05]	schestowitz[TR]	like valves and sony cams
[19:05]	schestowitz[TR]	for the missile cruising
[19:06]	schestowitz[TR]	that's collaboration
[19:06]	Ariadne	to be clear, i'm not in the "open source" camp any more than i have to be for business reasons
[19:06]	reptilian_thrills	collaboration is good (yes) therefore we should have more of it (depends!) therefore we should move to github (holy fuck, NO!)
[19:06]	schestowitz[TR]	it might be Open Source
[19:06]	Ariadne	it's always about freedom to me
[19:06]	schestowitz[TR]	There migth even be Linux Foundation Weapons(TM)
[19:06]	schestowitz[TR]	LFW
[19:06]	schestowitz[TR]	but it would not leave us better off
[19:06]	Ariadne	incidentally, i am not thrilled about everyone wanting to put everything in the LF basket
[19:06]	reptilian_thrills	so the open source argument will focus on collaboration, but reframe the issue by dismissing any PROBLEMS with collaboration
[19:06]	Ariadne	GCC should not be under the auspices of the LF
[19:07]	schestowitz[TR]	LFX afaik is not even open source
[19:07]	schestowitz[TR]	they are selling 'collaboration packages'
[19:07]	schestowitz[TR]	and get paid with "memebrships
[19:07]	schestowitz[TR]	they exchange that for seats
[19:07]	reptilian_thrills	"ive got your 'colllaboration package' RIGHT HERE"
[19:07]	schestowitz[TR]	and farm bus reports from unpaid workers, if anyway
[19:08]	schestowitz[TR]	they then issue some puff pieces in media partners (paid) like The New Stack and ZDnet
[19:08]	schestowitz[TR]	LFW: how Raytheon saw the light and shared its innovations
[19:08]	schestowitz[TR]	like drones that suck in the organs when they detonate
[19:08]	reptilian_thrills	but reframe the issue by dismissing any PROBLEMS with collaboratio <- basically it just turns everything into a blank cheque for its own argument
[19:08]	Ariadne	i mean, it is nice for them to clean up the mess they create
[19:08]	schestowitz[TR]	(I don't know the science of how they do it but they do)
[19:08]	reptilian_thrills	while raising the cost of any counterargument to over 9000
[19:09]	schestowitz[TR]	I think it might be "vacuum bombs"
[19:09]	Ariadne	fwiw a lot of the same arguments you make are the same arguments the ethical source people make
[19:09]	schestowitz[TR]	afaik, gnu and fsf never emphasised that aspect
[19:09]	schestowitz[TR]	like transparency
[19:09]	Ariadne	(though i think licensing is not the answer here)
[19:09]	schestowitz[TR]	but sharing and keeping people hacking at it
[19:09]	schestowitz[TR]	Ariadne: right
[19:10]	schestowitz[TR]	but they want to arbitrarily enforce te ethics
[19:10]	schestowitz[TR]	based on uN 'satndards'
[19:10]	schestowitz[TR]	where you deal with very primitive (ardon the phrase)m countries
[19:10]	Ariadne	all of these folks are honestly wild
[19:10]	schestowitz[TR]	with gayness is punishable by death
[19:10]	Ariadne	there is some company called defense unicorns
[19:10]	Ariadne	started by some dude who "put kubernetes on an f-15"
[19:11]	Ariadne	(it was on a raspberry pi, i don't think that really counts)
[19:11]	schestowitz[TR]	f-15 is old :-)
[19:11]	schestowitz[TR]	did he get one off ebay?
[19:11]	Ariadne	it was one they didn't decommission yet i guess
[19:11]	Ariadne	they being DoD
[19:11]	schestowitz[TR]	f-15 was low-tech
[19:12]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe for the better
[19:12]	Ariadne	yeah, when i pressed somebody who worked there for details
[19:12]	Ariadne	they were like
[19:12]	Ariadne	oh
[19:12]	schestowitz[TR]	I think even missile guiding is done on its own
[19:12]	Ariadne	we put it on a raspberry pi
[19:12]	schestowitz[TR]	like heat-detection
[19:12]	Ariadne	which was wired into the power
[19:12]	schestowitz[TR]	embedded and not connected to the plane
[19:12]	Ariadne	i deal with "open source" people at the DoD a lot
[19:12]	Ariadne	i do not have high opinions of those people
[19:13]	schestowitz[TR]	btw, there is a new java plaform based on alpine
[19:13]	Ariadne	yeah i saw
[19:13]	Ariadne	these days i am mostly working on a GNU/Linux distribution built on some of the same tech as alpine
[19:13]	schestowitz[TR]	red hat still wants to get into automobiles
[19:13]	schestowitz[TR]	and other vehicles
[19:14]	schestowitz[TR]	but they evidently aren't in a stable shape atm
[19:14]	MinceR	that didn't stop MICROS~1
[19:14]	schestowitz[TR]	microsoft tried and failed
[19:14]	schestowitz[TR]	ford for example
[19:14]	schestowitz[TR]	sync
[19:14]	schestowitz[TR]	windows in cars is history
[19:14]	MinceR	they did manage to put their crap in various alleged cars
[19:15]	MinceR	including ford and bmw
[19:15]	schestowitz[TR]	now they just try to sell "clown:'
[19:15]	schestowitz[TR]	to companies like mercedes-benz
[19:15]	schestowitz[TR]	like, send us your data
[19:15]	schestowitz[TR]	but no windows in the cars
[19:15]	schestowitz[TR]	well, windows yes
[19:15]	schestowitz[TR]	the physcial ones
[19:15]	Ariadne	my previous car had ford sync
[19:16]	Ariadne	holy crap windows for automobiles is bad
[19:16]	Ariadne	my new car has alpine
[19:16]	Ariadne	idk how i feel about that
[19:16]	schestowitz[TR]	better bring a laptop to the car
[19:16]	schestowitz[TR]	and drive analogue
[19:16]	schestowitz[TR]	I did this in the 90s
[19:17]	schestowitz[TR]	korean car
[19:17]	MinceR	"analogue" has worse mileage and can actually be less reliable
[19:17]	MinceR	since you replace an ECU with a whole bunch of moving parts
[19:17]	Ariadne	MinceR: i think he just meant without a computerized head unit
[19:17]	schestowitz[TR]	yeah
[19:17]	schestowitz[TR]	even the keys fail a lot
[19:17]	schestowitz[TR]	like, no batteries
[19:18]	schestowitz[TR]	or bad signal
[19:18]	schestowitz[TR]	so you are away and stuck outside your own car
[19:18]	MinceR	maybe it could work with some mounting arm
[19:18]	MinceR	i tried a vent mount for my phone, it broke the vent
[19:18]	Ariadne	(the ECU is just some microcontroller usually.  frequently it is even 8 or 16-bit)
[19:18]	MinceR	i tried several suction cup mounts, they all fell off
[19:18]	MinceR	i tried a glue mount, that worked but was in an awkward place at an awkward angle
[19:19]	MinceR	android auto is a lot more comfortable in my current car
[19:19]	Ariadne	pretty much all of these interfaces are garbage
[19:19]	schestowitz[TR]	new: https://www.wired.com/story/high-tech-cars-killing-the-traditional-auto-repair-shop/
[19:19]	TR Bot	Cars Are Killing the Auto Repair Shop | WIRED
[19:19]	schestowitz[TR]	Proprietary
[19:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[19:20]	schestowitz[TR]	it's a bit lkike secure boot
[19:20]	Ariadne	i mean, in fairness, wired published an article where i compared contraband in typoed NPM packages to teddybears filled with baggies of cocaine
[19:20]	Ariadne	sooooo
[19:20]	schestowitz[TR]	the engine is fine
[19:20]	schestowitz[TR]	you have gas
[19:20]	schestowitz[TR]	ignition fine
[19:20]	MinceR	:)
[19:20]	schestowitz[TR]	but some computer system standas on the wayt
[19:20]	reptilian_thrills	the balance has tipped slightly in favour of reason
[19:20]	reptilian_thrills	Matthew Garrett @mjg59 9h
[19:20]	reptilian_thrills	Question: the Free Software Song says "We'll kick out those dirty licenses". Is this a rejection of licenses that constrain user freedom, or is a rejection of software being covered by copyright in the first place?
[19:20]	reptilian_thrills	52% Evil licenses are bad
[19:20]	reptilian_thrills	48% All licenses are bad
[19:20]	reptilian_thrills	211 votes 14 hours
[19:20]	schestowitz[TR]	so you are lolcked out ofi a perfectly functioning PC
[19:20]	schestowitz[TR]	because something says "no,no! microsoft NO APPROVE !!"
[19:21]	MinceR	as long as the computer systems are simple enough and they were created by people who knew what they were doing, it isn't that bad
[19:21]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2020/07/30/wontboot-meme/
[19:21]	TR Bot	 [Meme] It Was Only a Matter of Time All Along | Techrights
[19:21]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2020/07/30/wontboot/
[19:21]	TR Bot	 Karma or Hubris? Is #TorvaldsWasRight a Thing Now? | Techrights
[19:22]	schestowitz[TR]	MinceR: drive the or-bahn
[19:22]	schestowitz[TR]	or drive over
[19:22]	schestowitz[TR]	either way
[19:22]	MinceR	lol
[19:22]	MinceR	the tires would be smeared with shit
[19:23]	reptilian_thrills	48% All licenses are bad <- how does he manage to reframe everything so it supports his opinion?
[19:23]	reptilian_thrills	other than LOADS of media training
[19:23]	schestowitz[TR]	so his fans will come infest it like flies
[19:24]	schestowitz[TR]	they love their shit
[19:24]	schestowitz[TR]	reptilian_thrills: loaded queries
[19:24]	reptilian_thrills	i supposed reasing bernays and placing winning an argument over all else could also do it
[19:24]	schestowitz[TR]	same for test units
[19:24]	reptilian_thrills	 <schestowitz[TR]> reptilian_thrills: loaded queries <- absolutely
[19:24]	schestowitz[TR]	good tests would fail easily
[19:25]	reptilian_thrills	yeah the former white supremacist who lobbied for bush with microsoft money was great at loaded queries
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[19:25]	reptilian_thrills	and selecting focus groups to manufacture consent
[19:25]	reptilian_thrills	"former"
[19:25]	reptilian_thrills	i mean he was in the klan i think
[19:25]	reptilian_thrills	but im not 100% sure 
[19:26]	reptilian_thrills	microsoft: we dont bribe presidents directly
[19:26]	schestowitz[TR]	this month pfizer admitted that it never tested whether its products stopped the contraction and spread of the disease
[19:26]	reptilian_thrills	also microsoft: hasnt been bothered by the doj since the 2000 election
[19:26]	schestowitz[TR]	the only thing they checked for is how rapidly it escalated
[19:26]	schestowitz[TR]	and they did that privately and secretly
[19:26]	schestowitz[TR]	that's poor unit testing
[19:26]	schestowitz[TR]	(in another domain)
[19:26]	reptilian_thrills	tahts also reframing
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[19:28]	AdmFubar	https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/10/meta-grudgingly-agrees-to-sell-giphy-after-admitting-defeat-in-uk-battle/
[19:28]	TR Bot	 Meta grudgingly agrees to sell Giphy after admitting defeat in UK battle | Ars Technica
[19:29]	schestowitz[TR]	testing software
[19:29]	schestowitz[TR]	and testinf frugs
[19:29]	schestowitz[TR]	when you ant first to market
[19:29]	schestowitz[TR]	microsoft prematurely shipped many thinss
[19:29]	schestowitz[TR]	even with thousands of known bus
[19:30]	schestowitz[TR]	just to meet some release dats target
[19:30]	schestowitz[TR]	being fast to market where there is no gov supervision is insane
[19:30]	schestowitz[TR]	*first
[19:30]	schestowitz[TR]	see dieselgate
[19:30]	schestowitz[TR]	they used proprietary sofwtare to fake their cheating
[19:31]	schestowitz[TR]	later on people lose confidence in cars
[19:31]	schestowitz[TR]	with proprietary steering systems
[19:32]	schestowitz[TR]	that can be remotely hijacked
[19:32]	schestowitz[TR]	and lose confidence in modern medicine
[19:32]	schestowitz[TR]	knowing there are no proprier medical trials
[19:32]	schestowitz[TR]	the companies just do whatever the ehll they want
[19:32]	schestowitz[TR]	and pass the cost/risk to us
[19:34]	schestowitz[TR]	25% more deaths this year: https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/18/cdc-deaths-by-age-groups/
[19:34]	TR Bot	Blog Archive CDC Data: Mortality Rates in the United States by Age Groups (2017-2020)
[19:34]	schestowitz[TR]	than pre-covid
[19:34]	schestowitz[TR]	president of the united states: pandemic is over
[19:34]	schestowitz[TR]	ush 2:
[19:34]	schestowitz[TR]	mission accomplished
[19:34]	schestowitz[TR]	trump:
[19:34]	schestowitz[TR]	stop the steal
[19:35]	schestowitz[TR]	clinton:
[19:35]	schestowitz[TR]	i did not have sex with that woman
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[19:41]	TR News	Marginalia's Index Reaches 100,000,000 Documents gemini://marginalia.nu/log/64-hundred-million.gmi
[19:42]	TR News	Replacing VirtualBox with QEMU gemini://regrow.earth/blog/2022-10-21_qemu_virtualbox.gmi
[19:43]	TR News	Forth double numbers are bass akwards gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-10-21.fourth.doubles.gmi
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[19:45]	TR News	Could install a 'proper' GNU/Linux distro on it. Many have LibreOffice preinstalled. https://www.addictivetips.com/chromebook/how-to-use-libre-office-on-a-chromebook/
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[19:45]	TR Bot	 How to Install Metasploit Framework on Ubuntu Linux - Make Tech Easier
[19:45]	XRevan86	https://theins.press/en/news/256271
[19:45]	TR Bot	 Russian billionaire who bought cement giant Holcim is a deepfake, Proekt reports
[19:46]	TR News	Video:#HowTo Generate ed25519 key https://www.unixtutorial.org/generating-ed25519-ssh-key-video/ Source: unixtutorial | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.unixtutorial.org/generating-ed25519-ssh-key-video/
[19:46]	TR Bot	 Video: How To Generate ed25519 key
[19:47]	schestowitz[TR]	XRevan86: fakes spread fast in social control media
[19:47]	AdmFubar	https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-computer-scientist-who-boosts-privacy-with-entropy-20221018/
[19:47]	TR Bot	 Quanta Magazine
[19:48]	MinceR	False News Travel Fast
[19:48]	MinceR	(Sonata Arctica)
[19:48]	schestowitz[TR]	because it is optimised for spreading
[19:48]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Not what happened. Journalists tried to contact a mysterious sudden billionaire, and a deepfake from a still photograph answered the call.
[19:48]	schestowitz[TR]	you can make up anything you want
[19:48]	schestowitz[TR]	might as well optimise the lie
[19:49]	schestowitz[TR]	XRevan86: like "yes men"
[19:49]	schestowitz[TR]	they need to check who they speak to
[19:49]	schestowitz[TR]	some image or voice is not enough
[19:49]	schestowitz[TR]	official email can help
[19:49]	schestowitz[TR]	like sending back and forth to a domain controlled by the company
[19:50]	schestowitz[TR]	it's not a deepfake problem
[19:50]	schestowitz[TR]	it's a social engineering issue
[19:50]	schestowitz[TR]	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_engineering_(security)#Vishing
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Social engineering (security) - Wikipedia
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[19:52]	TR News	This is just a privilege escalation issue https://www.securityweek.com/cisa-tells-organizations-patch-linux-kernel-vulnerability-exploited-malware
[19:52]	TR Bot	Tells Organizations to Patch Linux Kernel Vulnerability Exploited by Malware | SecurityWeek.Com
[19:52]	TR News	Predictable GUIDs https://hackaday.com/2022/10/21/this-week-in-security-linux-wifi-fortinet-text4shell-and-predictable-guids/
[19:53]	TR Bot	Week In Security: Linux WiFi, Fortinet, Text4Shell, And Predictable GUIDs | Hackaday
[19:53]	TR News	Got fully patched immediately https://www.computing.co.uk/news/4058305/linux-kernel-receives-patches-wi-vulnerabilities
[19:53]	TR Bot	 Linux kernel receives patches for serious Wi-Fi vulnerabilities
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[19:55]	TR Bot	2022.Q4.1 Brings More Vulkan Performance Tuning - Phoronix
[19:55]	TR News	digiKam Recipes 2022.10.21 released https://digikam.org/news/2022-10-21_digikam_recipes_22.10.21_released/
[19:55]	TR Bot	 digiKam - digiKam Recipes 2022.10.21 released
[19:57]	TR News	The NeuroFedora Blog: Next Open NeuroFedora meeting: 24 October 1300 UTC https://neuroblog.fedoraproject.org/2022/10/21/next-open-neurofedora-meeting-24-october-1300-utc.html
[19:57]	TR Bot	 Next Open NeuroFedora meeting: 24 October 1300 UTC | NeuroFedora: Blog
[19:57]	TR News	Fedora Community Blog: CPE Weekly Update Week 42 2022 https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/cpe-weekly-update-week-42-2022/
[19:57]	TR Bot	 CPE Weekly Update - Week 42 2022 Fedora Community Blog
[19:58]	TR News	Fedora Community Blog: Fridays Fedora Facts: 2022-42 https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fridays-fedora-facts-2022-42/
[19:58]	TR Bot	 Friday's Fedora Facts: 2022-42 Fedora Community Blog
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[19:58]	TR News	Red Hat: "This site requires JavaScript to be enabled to function correctly, please enable it." LOL, NO. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=__open__&f1=blocked&list_id=11983255&o1=substring&query_format=advanced&v1=F38FTBFS
[19:58]	TR Bot	 Bug List
[19:59]	TR News	Why should a bug tracking tool need ANY JS? It doesn't. TRAC and MANTIS do fine with none. They're also fast.
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[20:00]	XRevan86	schestowitz: No one claimed that it were, it's amusing that they tried though.
[20:01]	TR News	Dominique Leuenberger: openSUSE Tumbleweed Review of the week 2022/42 https://dominique.leuenberger.net/blog/2022/10/opensuse-tumbleweed-review-of-the-week-2022-42/
[20:01]	TR Bot	 openSUSE Tumbleweed Review of the week 2022/42 Dominique a.k.a. DimStar (Dim*)
[20:01]	schestowitz[TR]	XRevan86: lots of fakes now in the war
[20:01]	XRevan86	It's a story about corruption in Russia (and raid take-over) above all else.
[20:02]	schestowitz[TR]	it's dangerous when they entrap you
[20:02]	schestowitz[TR]	to discredit all your OTHER reporting
[20:02]	XRevan86	What?
[20:03]	TR News	Fake 'economics' and notorious terms to sell complexity, even where it is neither needed nor desirable https://containerjournal.com/features/managing-container-and-kubernetes-tco/
[20:03]	TR Bot	 Managing Container and Kubernetes TCO - Container Journal
[20:03]	schestowitz[TR]	XRevan86: common technioque
[20:03]	schestowitz[TR]	x reports y scandsals about z
[20:03]	schestowitz[TR]	z sends fake stories to x
[20:03]	schestowitz[TR]	x reports fake story
[20:03]	schestowitz[TR]	z claims y scandals are all discrfedited
[20:03]	schestowitz[TR]	and that x is a liar
[20:04]	XRevan86	Yes, I am aware of this technique, I saw it used against some Ukrainian news websites like UNIAN.
[20:05]	schestowitz[TR]	people tried that on techrights like 15 years ago
[20:05]	schestowitz[TR]	sent fake stories
[20:05]	schestowitz[TR]	and then  aited for them to get published
[20:05]	TR News	New Liaison role for the Native Language Communities - The Document Foundation Blog https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/10/21/new-liaison-role-for-the-native-language-communities/ Source: Document Foundation | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/10/21/new-liaison-role-for-the-native-language-communities/
[20:05]	TR Bot	 New Liaison role for the Native Language Communities - The Document Foundation Blog
[20:06]	schestowitz[TR]	one microsofter sent me a plausible fake stories
[20:06]	schestowitz[TR]	wheich I later published
[20:06]	schestowitz[TR]	and then he attacked me for it in USENET
[20:06]	schestowitz[TR]	saying he had sent the fake story
[20:06]	XRevan86	Specifically, "War on Fakes", the Kremlin "debunk" Telegram channel, likes this strategy.
[20:07]	schestowitz[TR]	stings that mussy the water or poison the well
[20:07]	schestowitz[TR]	there are also sniffing operations
[20:07]	schestowitz[TR]	where they try to figure out who the sources are
[20:07]	schestowitz[TR]	by pretending to be someone else
[20:08]	schestowitz[TR]	then asking questions
[20:08]	schestowitz[TR]	putin=kgb
[20:08]	schestowitz[TR]	he's no joker
[20:08]	schestowitz[TR]	if  simple interrogation tactics don't yield results, they start physical torture
[20:08]	schestowitz[TR]	and they have all the equipment
[20:09]	TR News	Stable Diffusion is a really big deal https://simonwillison.net/2022/Aug/29/stable-diffusion/#ai-vegan
[20:09]	TR Bot	 Stable Diffusion is a really big deal
[20:10]	XRevan86	schestowitz: But I still don't understand the connection to the proekt.media investigation where somebody used a neural-network-animated picture of a guy ("deepfake") in a video call.
[20:10]	TR News	There is also a lawsuit coming against the man behind it, Alex Graveley https://githubcopilotinvestigation.com/
[20:10]	TR Bot	 GitHub Copilot investigation Joseph Saveri Law Firm& Matthew Butterick
[20:10]	schestowitz[TR]	XRevan86: fooling the media
[20:10]	schestowitz[TR]	tricked/maniipulated to publish fake stories
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[20:11]	TR News	This is a war on privacy waged by Gulag and its buddies in Mozille, Clownflare etc. https://adguard.com/en/blog/easylist-filter-problem-help.html
[20:11]	TR Bot	 EasyList is in trouble and so are many ad blockers
[20:12]	TR News	Clownflare deserves a global boycott
[20:13]	TR News	Clownflare is a bunch of oversensitive, thin-skinned kids ("workers") who would block anyone who dares tell them simple facts about Clownflare and why Clownflare is evil
[20:13]	TR News	Clownflare probably brainwashed its kids ("workers") into thinking they're a force for good on the WWW. They are the EXACT OPPOSITE.
[20:14]	TR News	"Unfortunately, ClownFlare does not allow non-enterprise users use that much traffic, and now all requests to the EasyList file are getting throttled." https://adguard.com/en/blog/easylist-filter-problem-help.html
[20:15]	TR News	ClownFlare is STILL losing money. Wait till they start demanding MONEY from everyone... to basically destroy the WWW... for a FEE!
[20:16]	TR News	Putting Clownflare in front of your WWW is a crime against the users. Removing it is an act of solidarity. Very few sites need a CDN; many need a redesign/overhaul.
[20:17]	TR News	Clown computing should be universally abandoned. It was promoted by spies. There's "no free lunch". https://world.hey.com/dhh/why-we-re-leaving-the-cloud-654b47e0
[20:17]	TR Bot	 Why we're leaving the cloud
[20:17]	TR News	Kevin Ottens (KDE): "Hear! Hear! No, moving your infrastructure to managed services doesnt make sense in all cases. You need to be in the right place in term of complexity and traffic to really benefit from it. Its less common than youd think due to the marketing pressure."
[20:18]	TR News	Feather Simply beautiful open source icons https://feathericons.com/
[20:18]	TR Bot	 Feather Simply beautiful open source icons
[20:19]	AdmFubar	https://www.maketecheasier.com/resample-hi-res-flac-linux/
[20:19]	TR Bot	 How to Resample Hi-Res FLAC in Linux - Make Tech Easier
[20:19]	TR News	A Real World React to htmx Port https://htmx.org/essays/a-real-world-react-to-htmx-port/ Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//htmx.org/essays/a-real-world-react-to-htmx-port/
[20:19]	TR Bot	 A Real World React -> htmx Port
[20:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[20:20]	TR News	samgeo.codes https://samgeo.codes/blog/python-types/ Source: python | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//samgeo.codes/blog/python-types/
[20:20]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-samgeo.codes
[20:21]	TR News	RAII: Compile-Time Memory Management in C++ and Rust :: The Coded Message https://www.thecodedmessage.com/posts/raii/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.thecodedmessage.com/posts/raii/
[20:21]	TR Bot	 RAII: Compile-Time Memory Management in C++ and Rust :: The Coded Message
[20:21]	TR News	"digital product industry quite well the more specific terminology, creeping featurism" https://tdarb.org/blog/avoid-featurism.html
[20:21]	TR Bot	/ Avoiding Featurism
[20:22]	TR News	"When you use one programming language daily in your job as a Software Engineer, it's easy to fall into the trap of that language bubble. I want to show you how stepping outside your comfort zone and learning new languages and paradigms helped me grow as a Software Engineer." https://cichocinski.dev/blog/trying-new-programming-languages-helped-grow-software-engineer
[20:22]	TR Bot	 How Trying New Programming Languages Helped Me Grow as a Software Engineer
[20:23]	TR News	"Good software architecture is very context-specific, analyzing trade-offs that resolve differently across a wide range of environments." https://martinfowler.com/bliki/ConwaysLaw.html
[20:23]	TR Bot	 ConwaysLaw
[20:25]	TR News	"look today at the coastline where most of the trees were planted. There is no sign of the mangroves that, after a decade of growth, should be close to maturity." https://e360.yale.edu/features/phantom-forests-tree-planting-climate-change
[20:25]	TR Bot	 Phantom Forests: Why Ambitious Tree Planting Projects Are Failing - Yale E360
[20:28]	DaemonFC	Windows 95 runs really fast, even as an Electron "App".
[20:28]	DaemonFC	If you could put this on a modern computer and throw in a Web browser that works and some modern graphics drivers and call it a day, I'd be happy with it.
[20:29]	DaemonFC	I mean, maybe a few other nice things, but it really shows how bloated Windows has become, how you trip over yourself to get anything at all done in Windows today because most of the GUI is just crap and nonsense and bits an pieces of like 10 different things.
[20:31]	schestowitz[TR]	just use openbox
[20:31]	DaemonFC	If they did A/B tests with the Windows NT4/95 Explorer ("Chicago") vs. the Windows 11 one, I'm pretty sure most of the test subjects would choose the "Chicago" shell.
[20:31]	schestowitz[TR]	you don't need windows for some launchers and minesweeper
[20:31]	DaemonFC	XScreenSaver just got updated, schestowitz[TR] 
[20:31]	DaemonFC	FINALLY!
[20:32]	DaemonFC	To include......
[20:32]	schestowitz[TR]	ok
[20:32]	DaemonFC	A 3D MAZE CLONE!
[20:32]	schestowitz[TR]	does jeremy still write about pandemic?
[20:32]	DaemonFC	That was one of my favorite things about Windows 95/98, was the Maze screensaver. It was interesting for the time.
[20:33]	MinceR	lol
[20:33]	DaemonFC	Every time the screen goes to that, it uses procedural generation to create a map and then has the system "solve" it using the right-handed method.
[20:33]	schestowitz[TR]	we still have screensavers
[20:33]	schestowitz[TR]	but the screens of today do not need them
[20:33]	schestowitz[TR]	it's an old fad
[20:34]	DaemonFC	It eventually solves it because the procedural generation rules lay out that the right-handed method has to be able to solve any map that it comes up with.
[20:37]	TR News	"Ubuntu 22.10 is here, and with it comes the full GNOME 43 experience. In this video, the October 2022 release of Ubuntu is reviewed, which will include some of the new features, and final thoughts as well." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbpO_HoiEAo
[20:37]	TR Bot	https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=nbpO_HoiEAo
[20:37]	TR Bot	not resolve host: tube.cthd.icu; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=nbpO_HoiEAo )
[20:37]	AdmFubar	Sure the "lose" it ... https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/10/21/companies-most-likely-to-lose-your-data/
[20:37]	DaemonFC	Most mazes are solvable with the right-handed method as long as the person who designed it wasn't trying to make it difficult to solve.
[20:37]	TR Bot	 The companies most likely to lose your data - Help Net Security
[20:37]	DaemonFC	https://www.inverse.com/article/21386-corn-maze-lost-wall-follower
[20:37]	TR Bot	 Why the 'Right-Hand' Rule Won't Work In Todays Corn Mazes
[20:37]	DaemonFC	But you can't count on it to work.
[20:38]	schestowitz[TR]	AdmFubar: yes, weird choice os words
[20:38]	schestowitz[TR]	there ae companies I WANT to LOSE my data
[20:38]	schestowitz[TR]	or data about me
[20:38]	schestowitz[TR]	data loss can be good
[20:38]	schestowitz[TR]	if it's not yours
[20:38]	TR News	Archcraft 2022.09.16 Quick overview #linux #archcraft - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=plt-bn7AN0I | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/plt-bn7AN0I
[20:38]	TR Bot	 Archcraft 2022.09.16 Quick overview #linux #archcraft - Invidious
[20:39]	schestowitz[TR]	AdmFubar: they means lose contorl of
[20:39]	schestowitz[TR]	meant, control
[20:39]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22100227
[20:39]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/e03y1q6qezq91.jpg created on 2022-10-02 07:47:30.934266
[20:41]	TR News	#StopUsingWindows https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/10/21/stopransomware-daixin-team see http://techrights.org/2021/05/02/ransomware-task-force/
[20:41]	TR Bot	 #StopRansomware: Daixin Team | CISA
[20:41]	TR Bot	 Microsoft-Centric Ransomware Task Force | Techrights
[20:42]	TR News	Sean Michael Kerner keeps on writing HEY HI nonsense puff pieces. This evening twice: https://venturebeat.com/ai/ibm-announces-system-on-chip-ai-hardware/ https://venturebeat.com/ai/adept-ai-labs-discusses-new-foundation-model-at-oracle-cloudworld/
[20:42]	TR Bot	announces system-on-chip AI hardware | VentureBeat
[20:42]	TR Bot	AI Labs discusses new foundation model at Oracle CloudWorld | VentureBeat
[20:43]	AdmFubar	https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/17-year-old-student-made-a-robot-to-help-his-mother-with-household-chores-11493651.html
[20:43]	TR Bot	17-YO Kerala boy builds a robot for Rs 10,000 to help his struggling mother with household chores- Technology News, Firstpost
[20:44]	TR News	OpenBSD 7.2: The other other FOSS xNix released with Apple M2 support https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/20/OpenBSD_7_2_released.shtml
[20:44]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines OpenBSD 7.2 released (UPDATEDx3)
[20:45]	AdmFubar	https://epic.org/the-rise-of-chinese-surveillance-technology-in-africa-part-6-of-6/
[20:45]	TR Bot	 The Rise of Chinese Surveillance Technology in Africa (Part 6 of 6) EPIC Electronic Privacy Information Center
[20:45]	DaemonFC	foobar2000 finally has a 2.0 Beta branch.
[20:45]	DaemonFC	It's extremely unstable, but it's available as a 64-bit application now.
[20:46]	DaemonFC	Hmm, looks like I'm on Beta 10 and Beta 12 is out. 
[20:46]	TR News	Kara Sherrer in ZDNet's sister site is now spamming the diploma mills of Microsoft shills, Pluralsight http://techrights.org/2022/10/15/diploma-mills-in-techrepublic/
[20:46]	TR Bot	 TechRepublic (ZDNet Sister Site) a Pusher of Diploma Mills, Roping in Linux Today | Techrights
[20:47]	DaemonFC	"Please ignore Microsoft SmartScreen warnings." LOL
[20:47]	DaemonFC	Well, Wine doesn't pull that shit, so yeah. :)
[20:48]	TR News	FreeBSD 12.4-BETA1 now out https://forums.freebsd.org/
[20:48]	TR Bot	 The FreeBSD Forums
[20:49]	TR News	 (NEW): Videos: Ubuntu 22.10 and Archcraft 2022.09.16 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Videos_Ubuntu_22_10_and_Archcraft_2022_09_16.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/Videos_Ubuntu_22_10_and_Archcraft_2022_09_16.gmi 
[20:49]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Videos: Ubuntu 22.10 and Archcraft 2022.09.16
[20:49]	DaemonFC	Still extremely unstable (in Wine anyway).
[20:49]	AdmFubar	https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/10/us-court-rules-once-again-that-ai-software-cant-hold-a-patent/
[20:49]	TR Bot	 US court rules, once again, that AI software cant be listed as inventor on a patent | Ars Technica
[20:50]	DaemonFC	If "AI" can't be an inventor then when copyright enforcement begins over something that ShitHub CoPilot told you to shove into your program, you can't blame CoPilot for it in court.
[20:51]	DaemonFC	The person suing you will point to the court precedent that "AI" can't create anything and you are responsible for the infringement.
[20:51]	TR News	THat's a big patch from dodgy Intel. Will anyone actually audit the code? HHmmmmmm.... naaaa. Wait till they use Rust... and few kernel hackers will even be able to ready it. https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20221020133525.1810728-1-maciej.kwapulinski@intel.com/
[20:51]	TR Bot	 [PATCH v4 00/10] Driver of Intel(R) Gaussian & Neural Accelerator - Kwapulinski, Maciej
[20:51]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: it's not even HEY HI
[20:51]	schestowitz[TR]	it doesn't make code
[20:52]	schestowitz[TR]	it just spews out large portions
[20:52]	schestowitz[TR]	based on fuzzy similarities
[20:52]	schestowitz[TR]	it's plgiarism
[20:52]	schestowitz[TR]	they remove the attriobutioon
[20:52]	schestowitz[TR]	to amek you 'feel' less guuilty
[20:52]	schestowitz[TR]	it was made by a serial plgiarist
[20:52]	schestowitz[TR]	Alex graveley
[20:52]	schestowitz[TR]	the serial srangler
[20:52]	schestowitz[TR]	strtangles women
[20:52]	schestowitz[TR]	sells drugs;
[20:52]	schestowitz[TR]	like to everyone
[20:52]	schestowitz[TR]	steals code and puts his own name on it
[20:53]	schestowitz[TR]	basically a crook and a violent criminal
[20:53]	schestowitz[TR]	he wrote me an email last night
[20:53]	DaemonFC	Was it like the letters Matthew Garret sent?
[20:53]	DaemonFC	*Garrett
[20:53]	schestowitz[TR]	No
[20:53]	schestowitz[TR]	Ikt's factual
[20:53]	schestowitz[TR]	only a spiled brat would get a lawyer
[20:53]	schestowitz[TR]	but he sent his lawyer to me before
[20:54]	schestowitz[TR]	except without threats only lies
[20:54]	schestowitz[TR]	funnily enough the finace of mjg said he had been raped bya  friend of graveley
[20:54]	schestowitz[TR]	so this could get interesting
[20:54]	schestowitz[TR]	and nat friedman shows up buttnaked at parties
[20:55]	schestowitz[TR]	mjg made an excuse for him this morning
[20:55]	schestowitz[TR]	saying indecent exposure is no rape
[20:55]	schestowitz[TR]	yeah, that makes it ok then
[20:55]	schestowitz[TR]	nat also made rape jokes
[20:55]	schestowitz[TR]	and he is listed as corpoprate vice president at micreosoft!
[20:55]	schestowitz[TR]	man who gets naked at parties
[20:55]	schestowitz[TR]	or shows up naked in them
[20:55]	schestowitz[TR]	and makes rape jokes
[20:55]	schestowitz[TR]	nice
[20:56]	schestowitz[TR]	but wait, those are stories for next year
[20:56]	schestowitz[TR]	I'm spoil,ing the surprises
[20:56]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/10/16/nat-friedman-theauthenticco/
[20:56]	TR Bot	 Microsoft AstroTurfing: GitHubs First Puppet CEO May Be Violating Wikipedia Rules With Reputation Laundering by Proxy (Hiding the Serial Strangler From Microsoft/GitHub) | Techrights
[20:56]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/10/07/nat-friedman-wikipedia-spam/
[20:56]	TR Bot	 Nat Friedman Seems to Be Employing a PR Agency to Turn a Wikipedia Page About Him Into Hagiography and Hide His Strong Links to the Serial Strangler Alex Graveley | Techrights
[20:56]	schestowitz[TR]	to whet the appetite
[20:56]	DaemonFC	I figure that mjg59_ would be a rape apologist too.
[20:56]	DaemonFC	Since he projects on that as well as being a transphobe.
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR]	that was 20 yesars ago!!
[20:57]	DaemonFC	It's surprising that the alleged rape is is own "partner" though.
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR]	"I was only 25!!!"
[20:57]	schestowitz[TR]	"I was young and innocent.. with a phd"
[20:58]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Lots of "educated" people are bigots, you know.
[20:58]	TR News	Ubuntu 22.10 "Kinetic Kudu" Released! GNOME 43, GTK4 and MORE! (NEXT-GEN) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=T3nxx40G7Ko | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/T3nxx40G7Ko
[20:58]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu 22.10 "Kinetic Kudu" Released! GNOME 43, GTK4 and MORE! (NEXT-GEN) - Invidious
[20:58]	DaemonFC	My dad has three college degrees, and it didn't improve the fact that he hates all kinds of people.
[20:58]	DaemonFC	If anything, he's only gotten worse with age.
[20:59]	DaemonFC	Nobody can punish him for saying anything now because he's old and fat on a pension.
[20:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 11.53 k/sec., IPFS upstream 163.46 average k/sec., average swarm size 115.10
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[21:00]	schestowitz[TR]	"old and fat on a pension"
[21:00]	schestowitz[TR]	Sounds like he likes to eat
[21:00]	schestowitz[TR]	and can still afford food
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[21:00]	DaemonFC	Yeah, the sky has always been the limit on groceries.
[21:01]	schestowitz[TR]	studied, married an antivaxxer who spat on his kid
[21:01]	schestowitz[TR]	nobody's perfect ;-)
[21:01]	DaemonFC	Mom: "He made me walk around in the one pair of shoes I had, gluing the heels back together, but I could hand him a grocery list with anything I wanted on it."
[21:01]	DaemonFC	Well, she wasn't wrong about that.
[21:01]	schestowitz[TR]	sounds prsctical
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[21:01]	schestowitz[TR]	show fixing
[21:02]	schestowitz[TR]	if the heel did not fall off
[21:02]	schestowitz[TR]	that would be dangerous
[21:02]	DaemonFC	He wouldn't allow me to have surgery that I needed on my foot.
[21:02]	schestowitz[TR]	*show fixing
[21:02]	DaemonFC	Mom had to sneak me to the doctor.
[21:02]	DaemonFC	When the co-pay came (and he had good insurance at RCA) he says "FOUR HUNDRED FUCKING DOLLARS! I WOULD HAVE HAULED HIM INTO THE BATHROOM AND CUT THAT THING OFF HIS FOOT MYSELF!".
[21:03]	DaemonFC	I can still remember exactly how he said it too.
[21:03]	DaemonFC	And it's not like we were broke. His bank account balance, in a checking account, was always at least $50,000-60,000, and the rest tied up in investments.
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[21:04]	DaemonFC	And meanwhile I haven't had a haircut in so long I look like Cousin It and I'm cutting it out from in front of my eyes in the bathroom, and hobbling around needing foot surgery.
[21:04]	DaemonFC	While he has $12,000 of porn.
[21:05]	DaemonFC	He wasn't even going to have to pay anything to let me have my wisdom teeth out, except the ride to the dentist, and he tried to stall so the insurance would expire.
[21:05]	DaemonFC	He's just mean, and it's not even about the money. Neglectful of his children, and it was bad even before they knew anything about me being gay, and they just totally gave up after that.
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[21:07]	DaemonFC	The state doesn't get involved unless something is going on like you're molesting your kids, not feeding them, putting out cigarettes on them, not letting them go to school.... It never got THAT bad, but they did the bare minimum not to get in any legal trouble and then washed their hands of me.
[21:08]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/2210027
[21:08]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/vna00r54j0r91.jpg created on 2022-10-02 01:17:07.176486
[21:08]	DaemonFC	I realize there's a lot of people out there who had even worse parents than me, so what right do I have to complain? At least I'm alive and not traumatized by child sexual abuse or something. But my parents were basically the worst they could be without getting into trouble with the law.
[21:09]	schestowitz[TR]	sounds like techuser 
[21:09]	DaemonFC	If the State of Indiana didn't require school vaccinations I wouldn't have even been immunized against the Measles.
[21:09]	techuser	why do people even have kids?
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[21:10]	TR Bot	 TSDgeos' blog: KDE Gear 22.12 release schedule finalized
[21:10]	DaemonFC	So they can realize they didn't actually want to do that after they've had them and kind of mumble their way through it like hymns at church.
[21:10]	techuser	too stupid to use contraception if they want to have sex? Having kids because others do?
[21:10]	TR News	SystemRescue 9.05 is out http://www.system-rescue.org/
[21:10]	TR Bot	 SystemRescue - System Rescue Homepage
[21:10]	DaemonFC	According to mom, once my dad found out that my brother would be a "difficult pregnancy", he offered to drive her to the abortion clinic.
[21:11]	DaemonFC	He was the Vice President of the Grant County Right to Life at the time.
[21:11]	MinceR	so that they have something to boss around
[21:11]	MinceR	and someone that shares in their suffering that follows from being stuck in a human body among billions of humans
[21:11]	DaemonFC	He takes absolutely no responsibility for anything he does and if he finds out something is going to require effort, he burns it and walks away.
[21:12]	DaemonFC	Or tries to.
[21:12]	DaemonFC	In order to harass her after she got a divorce, he was trying to cancel the health insurance on my brother that wasn't even costing him anything, and the only reason he didn't is the judge threatened to put him in jail for contempt if he did that.
[21:13]	DaemonFC	On Facebook, he's defending Herschel Walker and calling him a "guy with a troubled past who has learned from his mistakes".
[21:13]	DaemonFC	:)
[21:13]	DaemonFC	Herschel also wrote out a $700 check and told someone to get an abortion.
[21:14]	DaemonFC	They'd probably get along famously together.
[21:14]	MinceR	also because cultists tell them it's so great to have kids
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[21:14]	MinceR	(and you'd better help the cult to outbreed the other cults, even if it kills us all)
[21:15]	DaemonFC	Conservatives seem to actually want abortion to be around. They just don't want it in their state. Why? They can afford to hop in the car and go to Illinois and not talk about it ever again while it punishes blacks for having sex.
[21:15]	DaemonFC	They're too stupid to realize that in 20 years, their state will be a crime-ridden cesspit that makes 2022 look like the land of milk and honey if they get what they want.
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[21:16]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
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[21:16]	DaemonFC	If my dad won that argument, my brother would have been aborted in a clinic in Chicago and they never would have even told me she had been pregnant.
[21:16]	DaemonFC	And he would have told her to murder me too if he thought that pregnancy would be "difficult".
[21:17]	DaemonFC	How do you think that makes me feel about him?
[21:19]	schestowitz[TR]	imagines if they told him you'd turn out gay
[21:19]	schestowitz[TR]	and married to an "asian"
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[21:20]	schestowitz[TR]	you said he got 3 college degree, still joined scientology
[21:21]	schestowitz[TR]	my parents were barely educated or pooly educated but still looked after us OK
[21:21]	schestowitz[TR]	sometimes rich parents are the worst
[21:21]	schestowitz[TR]	too arrogant and poatronising
[21:21]	schestowitz[TR]	and have kids for "status"
[21:21]	schestowitz[TR]	then parcel them off to some "boarding school"
[21:21]	schestowitz[TR]	coz they "get in the way"
[21:25]	TR News	Intel Releases First Arc GPU Driver For Linux, Tinkering Prowess Required - Techgage https://techgage.com/news/intel-releases-first-arc-gpu-driver-for-linux/ Source: Techgage | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//techgage.com/news/intel-releases-first-arc-gpu-driver-for-linux/
[21:25]	TR Bot	Releases First Arc GPU Driver For Linux, Tinkering Prowess Required Techgage
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[21:26]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz[TR]> then parcel them off to some "boarding school"
[21:26]	DaemonFC	I should have been so lucky.
[21:26]	schestowitz[TR]	still sad to hear your story
[21:26]	DaemonFC	That would have cost money.
[21:26]	schestowitz[TR]	rejection by parents is eternally hurtful
[21:27]	schestowitz[TR]	and it sounds like he stiull just barely tolerates you
[21:27]	schestowitz[TR]	to act polite
[21:27]	schestowitz[TR]	he might lose firends for being an a-hole to you
[21:27]	techuser	I'm more than rejected by parents
[21:27]	techuser	parents don't know/care that progress is evil
[21:27]	techuser	people on IRC *also* seems to not care much
[21:27]	techuser	*seem
[21:28]	techuser	*my parents
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[21:28]	techuser	never had friends
[21:28]	techuser	never had love, though maybe it is a good thing
[21:29]	schestowitz[TR]	you can cope
[21:29]	schestowitz[TR]	find alternatives
[21:29]	schestowitz[TR]	when you were away from this network people asked about you
[21:29]	schestowitz[TR]	so maybe we're not your friends
[21:29]	schestowitz[TR]	but at least we care for you
[21:29]	techuser	I don't know why do people ask this.
[21:29]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe because you live in ukraine
[21:30]	schestowitz[TR]	there is a school near us
[21:30]	schestowitz[TR]	200 meter
[21:30]	schestowitz[TR]	it has a ukraine flag up[
[21:30]	schestowitz[TR]	on a pole
[21:30]	techuser	If it is the case, I wonder if it is because they are curious about what is happening in Ukraine, or it is SJW stuff.
[21:30]	schestowitz[TR]	which is.. stranger
[21:30]	schestowitz[TR]	in a school
[21:30]	schestowitz[TR]	what if the school has kids with russian parents?
[21:30]	techuser	SJWs are evil
[21:30]	techuser	they cancel Russians
[21:31]	schestowitz[TR]	not just them
[21:31]	schestowitz[TR]	many westerners do this
[21:31]	schestowitz[TR]	like they're all putins
[21:31]	techuser	people brainwashed by SJWs iiuc
[21:31]	DaemonFC	https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/10/20/bipartisan-legislative-panel-objects-to-continued-covid-19-emergency-rules-filed-by-illinois-department-of-public-health/
[21:31]	TR Bot	 Bipartisan legislative panel objects to continued COVID-19 emergency rules filed by Illinois Department of Public Health
[21:31]	DaemonFC	"(The Center Square) A bipartisan panel of Illinois lawmakers on Tuesday objected to continued emergency rules filed by the Illinois Department of Public Health, with one member saying, the pandemic is over."
[21:32]	DaemonFC	The pandemic is over. It is time for us to get back to the normal way of doing business, Reick said during the hearing.
[21:32]	DaemonFC	"JCAR issued a formal objection to the executive order on Tuesday. The IDPH will now have 90 days to respond."
[21:32]	schestowitz[TR]	PendemicIsOver(R) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/17/cdc-data-on-us-deaths/
[21:32]	TR Bot	Blog Archive CDC Data: US Deaths About 25% Higher This Winter Than Last Winter Before COVID-19 (Updated)
[21:33]	techuser	being attracted to specific people eventually hurts
[21:33]	techuser	they disappear, or they betray
[21:33]	schestowitz[TR]	yeah
[21:33]	schestowitz[TR]	true
[21:33]	DaemonFC	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Reick
[21:33]	TR Bot	 Steve Reick - Wikipedia
[21:33]	DaemonFC	A Republican tax attorney says "pandemic is over".
[21:33]	DaemonFC	"I love democracy." -Palpatine
[21:33]	techuser	also "betray" not always like true betrayal. Sometimes their opinions suddenly change and you aren't compatible with them anymore.
[21:33]	schestowitz[TR]	your brother..
[21:34]	schestowitz[TR]	sometimes external factors like fake friends, who branwash them
[21:34]	DaemonFC	I love that we have elections that result in giving tax attorneys the ability to set public health policy.
[21:35]	schestowitz[TR]	so what if over 1 million EXTRA people die per year?
[21:35]	schestowitz[TR]	in the US alone
[21:35]	schestowitz[TR]	go back to work, you won't reach age 67  anyway
[21:35]	schestowitz[TR]	take 2 jobs, too
[21:35]	schestowitz[TR]	food, energy and hjousing is getting expensiove
[21:35]	schestowitz[TR]	no time to live, work two jobs
[21:36]	techuser	what is "live" though?
[21:36]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Pfizer says cash price of $130 _per dose_ as soon as the government stops buying it.
[21:36]	techuser	*to live
[21:36]	techuser	I feel like I'm wasting my time
[21:36]	DaemonFC	The government is paying Pfizer $30.
[21:36]	schestowitz[TR]	techuser: that's philosophy
[21:36]	schestowitz[TR]	ask bears and doigs
[21:36]	techuser	no idea if I can ever be happy
[21:36]	schestowitz[TR]	wild and domesticated
[21:36]	techuser	doing some stuff, idk for why
[21:36]	schestowitz[TR]	doigs seleep and eat a lot
[21:36]	schestowitz[TR]	some humans play games and watch pr0n
[21:36]	schestowitz[TR]	b ears look for food to survive
[21:36]	schestowitz[TR]	but they have ample space
[21:36]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Go get vaxxed and boosted. Only $530. You wouldn't want to be a "criminal". (Bourla)
[21:37]	schestowitz[TR]	https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/10/21/pfizer-secrecy/
[21:37]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Pfizer Refuses to Explain What Its Selling
[21:37]	schestowitz[TR]	bourla canceled the metting
[21:37]	schestowitz[TR]	he refuses to speak to our representatives
[21:37]	DaemonFC	You get to subscribe to "annual booster" for only $130 a year after your "VAXXED AND BOOSTED" trial is up.
[21:37]	DaemonFC	:)
[21:37]	DaemonFC	PROBLEM SOLVED! - mjg59_ 
[21:37]	schestowitz[TR]	after he got a 30,000,000,000+ SECRET contract
[21:38]	schestowitz[TR]	the EU contract alone
[21:38]	DaemonFC	"WHY AREN'T THE BLACKS GETTING VAXXED AND BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSTED!?!?!?!?" - mjg59_ and Bill Gates'
[21:38]	techuser	games and pr0n may help waste time
[21:38]	techuser	yet won't make me happy
[21:38]	techuser	I probably forgot how it feels to be happy
[21:38]	schestowitz[TR]	blacks are suspicious for historical reasons too
[21:38]	schestowitz[TR]	tired of eugenics and being experiemnted upon
[21:38]	schestowitz[TR]	the press just uses the blacks there
[21:39]	schestowitz[TR]	to stigmatise them as "stupid"
[21:39]	schestowitz[TR]	for not having high vaccinatioin rtaes
[21:39]	DaemonFC	Yeah, like having the US government test syphilis on them and watch them go crazy and die for over 30 years.
[21:39]	schestowitz[TR]	in switzerland the rates of vacccinated is 69%
[21:39]	schestowitz[TR]	and they're like the world's pharma capital
[21:39]	DaemonFC	While some black nurse that they hired, who had full knowledge, "encouraged" their participation.
[21:39]	schestowitz[TR]	(vaccinated for covid-19)
[21:39]	DaemonFC	And then Gates mutilating their genitals.
[21:39]	schestowitz[TR]	they get vaccinated a lot, but are picky
[21:40]	schestowitz[TR]	I meant suspecting, not suspicious
[21:40]	DaemonFC	Grandma Harmon (the Irish woman): "Black people can't help being stupid. They just are!".
[21:40]	DaemonFC	:)
[21:40]	schestowitz[TR]	another generation
[21:40]	DaemonFC	Her mother wasn't like this at all I'm told. Nobody knows what my grandmother came out so mean.
[21:41]	schestowitz[TR]	she grew up in an America where there was institutional segrragation 
[21:42]	TR News	 (NEW): KDE: digiKam Recipes 2022.10.21 and KDE Gear 22.12 Release Schedule http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/KDE_digiKam_Recipes_2022_10_21_and_KDE_Gear_22_12_Release_Sched.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/21/KDE_digiKam_Recipes_2022_10_21_and_KDE_Gear_22_12_Release_Sched.gmi 
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[21:42]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: are you telling me current health chief under Sleep Bailout is an accountant?
[21:43]	schestowitz[TR]	it says noit
[21:43]	schestowitz[TR]	IL politician
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[21:43]	schestowitz[TR]	" Being the first person in his family to attend college, he graduated from University of Illinois in 1975 with bachelor's degree in Accountancy and went on to earn a Juris Doctor and a master's degree in Accountancy and Taxation from the University of Georgia in 1980"
[21:43]	schestowitz[TR]	totally knows his "shit" on pandemics
[21:44]	schestowitz[TR]	seems like 'moneyman'
[21:44]	schestowitz[TR]	thinking of opandemic as obstacle to profit
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[21:44]	schestowitz[TR]	wikipedia is ads
[21:45]	schestowitz[TR]	for politics and corporations
[21:45]	schestowitz[TR]	event he history articles are biased
[21:45]	schestowitz[TR]	at least in en.wikipedia.org
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[21:45]	schestowitz[TR]	articles on war are just edit wars
[21:46]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz[TR]> seems like 'moneyman'
[21:46]	DaemonFC	Tax accountant means "helps rich people screw everyone else each year, for a nominal fee".
[21:46]	TR News	Miami Herald does fake 'reviews' (spam) instead of articles https://news.google.com/__i/rss/rd/articles/CBMiQWh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lm1pYW1paGVyYWxkLmNvbS9oZWFsdGgtd2VsbG5lc3MvYXJ0aWNsZTI2NzYxOTA0Ny5odG1s0gFBaHR0cHM6Ly9hbXAubWlhbWloZXJhbGQuY29tL2hlYWx0aC13ZWxsbmVzcy9hcnRpY2xlMjY3NjE5MDQ3Lmh0bWw?oc=5
[21:47]	DaemonFC	Rich people used to boast about how much they had to pay in tax. Now they boast about paying less than their office secretary. 
[21:47]	schestowitz[TR]	the only tax they pay is the bribery of politicians
[21:47]	schestowitz[TR]	to nensure they don't pay real tax
[21:47]	chunky	i love u!!
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[21:49]	DaemonFC	Most major corporations took on loans to fund their operations when they had a lot of cash parked overseas.
[21:49]	DaemonFC	It was cheaper to take on the loans than to repatriate the cash. So they waited for "Trump", got the "tax law", then brought the cash over and paid less tax than the interest on the loans cost them.
[21:50]	TR News	How I use Linux on my Chromebook https://www.aboutchromebooks.com/news/how-i-use-linux-on-my-chromebook/ Source: AboutChromebooks | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.aboutchromebooks.com/news/how-i-use-linux-on-my-chromebook/
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[21:50]	Helenah	Yes, trump was business man material in control of Government. lol
[21:50]	DaemonFC	The government could have passed a law that said it doesn't matter when you bring it back, you owe this rate whenever you do.
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[21:50]	DaemonFC	So you may as well just pay up.
[21:51]	DaemonFC	Or, better. You owe it now and you will pay us now.
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[21:52]	schestowitz[TR]	they will bend laws to suit them
[21:52]	schestowitz[TR]	SCOTUS in Citizens United will say it's OK to bribe
[21:52]	schestowitz[TR]	bribes ok
[21:52]	schestowitz[TR]	tax evasion OK
[21:52]	schestowitz[TR]	economy down the toilet
[21:52]	schestowitz[TR]	truss tried it here
[21:52]	schestowitz[TR]	we sent her packing
[21:53]	schestowitz[TR]	6 years, soon 5th or 6th job candidate
[21:53]	schestowitz[TR]	for PM
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[21:55]	TR Bot	 Activity-aware Firefox 0.4.1 - Vastly improved through community collaboration Hooks Humble Homepage
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[22:04]	DaemonFC	Oh that's nice. I just wasted an extra $30 in printing costs on documents for immigration.
[22:04]	DaemonFC	Had I just used "standard" paper, it was 6 cents a page cheaper.
[22:05]	DaemonFC	FedEx keeps changing the settings to make printing more expensive if you run off prints using the default options.
[22:08]	MinceR	https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/funny-pictures-8-18-22-5.jpg
[22:13]	schestowitz[TR]	going to record a video about phoronix now
[22:13]	schestowitz[TR]	any other topics to cover in video much welcome
[22:14]	schestowitz[TR]	as we don't have many topics in mind lately
[22:16]	DaemonFC	FedEx is really evil.
[22:16]	DaemonFC	I just needed this all on the cheapest paper to show bank statements and shit to Immigration officers.
[22:16]	DaemonFC	I'm glad I noticed it before sending them another batch with 123 sheets on it.
[22:18]	DaemonFC	For Standard White paper to be an option, you have to first select Black & White.
[22:18]	DaemonFC	Black & White is not the default, that way they can charge you for the expensive laser paper and Color prints even if the document is Black & White.
[22:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[22:20]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], You also get a 10% print discount with a free business account.
[22:20]	DaemonFC	So I signed up for one and then I had to block FedEx because they started calling my cell phone every morning at 9 AM wondering how they could "help" my business.
[22:22]	DaemonFC	I've trimmed a lot of the excess pages out of these cell phone bills and bank statements where it's just like "Information about your account" that repeats on every bill or 4 pages and a blank to say "Did you know you can ask for a credit card limit increase?".
[22:23]	DaemonFC	So if you just throw all of these papers in and hit print, it's $76.
[22:23]	DaemonFC	But if you choose Black & White it's $26, and if you step down to Standard White paper, it's only $16.
[22:23]	DaemonFC	Fuckers.
[22:24]	DaemonFC	They got me for about $30 vs. had I known that from the beginning.
[22:24]	DaemonFC	I knew B&W was cheaper so I fixed that, but I was using laser paper.
[22:44]		*dope_dealer gives DaemonFC some dope
[22:44]	dope_dealer	im a dope dealer nigga
[22:44]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], What is this?
[22:45]	dope_dealer	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OdDmC1-p4E
[22:45]	TR Bot	https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=5OdDmC1-p4E
[22:45]	TR Bot	not resolve host: invidious.osi.kr; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=5OdDmC1-p4E )
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[23:04]	schestowitz[TR]	done with the video
[23:04]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: ignore trolls
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[23:05]	techuser	horseface: ^ btw
[23:05]	techuser	oh, you were offline
[23:05]	techuser	dope_dealer talks about drugs
[23:05]	techuser	invite him to your IRC network maybe
[23:05]	techuser	*them
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[23:13]	schestowitz[TR]	he's not wanted here
[23:13]	schestowitz[TR]	all he does is spout racist words
[23:14]	schestowitz[TR]	and suggesting illegal stuff
[23:14]	schestowitz[TR]	and no actual contribuition other than this trolling
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[23:15]	dope_dealer	im black
[23:16]	dope_dealer	im also into technology, i use the dark web and cryptocurrencies
[23:16]	dope_dealer	im here for the links and i stay for the conversations
[23:17]	schestowitz[TR]	you never participate in conversations
[23:17]	dope_dealer	i like to read them
[23:17]	dope_dealer	im a bit of a lurker
[23:17]	schestowitz[TR]	so read them
[23:17]	schestowitz[TR]	and stop caloling everyoine "ni***er"
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[23:17]	schestowitz[TR]	and suggesting illegal stuff to them
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[23:18]	dope_dealer	how do i know whats illegal when im from a magical place where drugs aren't so illegal
[23:18]	TR News	Privacy and freedom should be the legacy we leave, not the opposite https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/privacy-and-freedom-should-be-the-legacy-we-leave-not-the-opposite Source: Swatantra | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.fsf.org/blogs/community/privacy-and-freedom-should-be-the-legacy-we-leave-not-the-opposite
[23:18]	TR Bot	 Privacy and freedom should be the legacy we leave, not the opposite Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
[23:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-10-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[23:20]	TR News	Resiliency Superpowers with eBPF https://www.infoq.com/presentations/ebpf-resiliency/
[23:20]	TR Bot	 Resiliency Superpowers with eBPF
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[23:26]		*Received a CTCP VERSION from dope_dealer (to #techrights)
[23:38]	XRevan86	techuser: "SJWs are evil; they cancel Russians" <- https://nitter.it/cathy39637692/status/1583403543457042433
[23:38]	TR Bot	(@cathy39637692): "Books by Vladimir Kara-Murza, Ekaterina Shulman, Leonid Parfyonov, Boris Akunin, Dmitry Glukhovsky, Mikhail Zygar and other opposition-minded authors and foreign agents were forbidden to put books in a prominent place in the Moscow House. How soon will they start burning?"|nitter.it
[23:39]	techuser	both sides being evil
[23:40]	XRevan86	+ https://nitter.it/TSJPhillips/status/1583517750928244738
[23:40]	TR Bot	Phillips (@TSJPhillips): "The childish, chilling censorship of fascist Russia creeps ever further. Regime opponents are now non-persons. Boris Akunin, one of the countrys most famous writers and a Putin critic, has had his name removed from plays he wrote at two theatres. https://meduza.io/amp/en/news/2022/10/21/ministry-of-culture-figures-who-disavow-russia-will-completely-logically-disappear-from-posters"|nitter.it
[23:40]	XRevan86	Oh, Meduza covered it, quick.
[23:41]	starstreak	linucks btw
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[23:49]	TR News	EML IIT Hyderabad to Host Richard Matthew Stallman (RMS) This Coming Week | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/10/21/richard-stallman-hyderabad/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/10/21/richard-stallman-hyderabad/
[23:49]	TR Bot	 EML IIT Hyderabad to Host Richard Matthew Stallman (RMS) This Coming Week | Techrights
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[23:54]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: your article is mentioned in https://yewtu.be/watch?v=X1VjJnTQPBQ
[23:54]	TR Bot	 DuckDuckGo and Qwant Start Censoring Their Results, JoshWho Search Is The Answer (CharlieBrownAU) - Invidious
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