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| DaemonFC[m] | abrowser | Jan 22 00:05 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Or iceweasel | Jan 22 00:05 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/03/67c63e53a4cecc90.jpg | Jan 22 00:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I actually liked Iceweasel. | Jan 22 00:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Instead of being pushed around by Mozilla, Debian just did new branding. | Jan 22 00:16 |
| MinceR | i miss the days when debian wasn't pushed around | Jan 22 00:17 |
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| MinceR | https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/02/22c3e8cf4a8330c4.jpg | Jan 22 00:37 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Huh, hah, this is 100% true. | Jan 22 00:46 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: How forced should a plot^W Jedi | Jan 22 00:52 |
| XRevan86 | be to turn into a force ghost? | Jan 22 00:52 |
| MinceR | forced? | Jan 22 00:54 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Be good with the force or something. | Jan 22 00:55 |
| MinceR | dunno, it's a force technique | Jan 22 00:55 |
| MinceR | apparently the jedi and sith versions are somewhat different | Jan 22 00:55 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Apparently, according to the Disney trilogy spoilers. | Jan 22 00:57 |
| MinceR | (audio:important) https://i.imgur.com/8nsSwqj.mp4 | Jan 22 01:14 |
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| XRevan86 | And yes, Microsoft Edge on Chromium really does shove Bing from the new tab page without any ability to configure it away. | Jan 22 01:43 |
| MinceR | there's a shocker | Jan 22 01:50 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20010628 | Jan 22 01:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 22 01:50 | |
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| schestowitz | diaspora broken : / | Jan 22 02:58 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/stream | Jan 22 02:58 |
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| cubexyz | XRevan86, surely you're not using win10 for anything? | Jan 22 03:07 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Removing autotools is good. It's horrible. | Jan 22 04:30 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It seems nobody I talk about LibreOffice to is interested in anything but how the Microsoft format support is. | Jan 22 04:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They need it for work or school or something. | Jan 22 04:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's good that it supports those formats, otherwise people would definitely break down and pay for MS Office. | Jan 22 04:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But it's not good that OOXML is around in the first place. | Jan 22 04:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You used to be able to throw a rock and hit 10 other office programs. | Jan 22 04:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I bought a boxed copy of staroffice that Staples accidentally priced at a penny and that's when I moved from Works to another word processor. | Jan 22 04:35 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It's not exactly hard to find an old copy of Works and stick it in Wine. | Jan 22 04:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've seen people do it just because they really hate learning new software and RTF is unlikely to ever be unsupported. | Jan 22 04:36 |
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| MinceR | ah yes, the old oxymoron, "Microsoft Works" | Jan 22 04:45 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Walks | Jan 22 05:04 |
| schestowitz | Linux Runs | Jan 22 05:04 |
| schestowitz | > The article about the Iranian student is not a small matter. It shows | Jan 22 05:14 |
| schestowitz | > that the executive branch is getting completely out of control in full | Jan 22 05:15 |
| schestowitz | > disregard for the constitution. There used to be checks and balances | Jan 22 05:15 |
| schestowitz | > among the three branches of government. This incident is a sign of an | Jan 22 05:15 |
| schestowitz | > acceleration to the beginning of the end of the empire. | Jan 22 05:15 |
| schestowitz | One might joke along the lines of: | Jan 22 05:15 |
| schestowitz | This is what the US used to accuse the Iranian regime of doing. | Jan 22 05:15 |
| schestowitz | The Persian Empire is long gone. Maybe China is next to rise. | Jan 22 05:15 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office Really MS Office vs Libreoffice really does not end up black or white. | Jan 22 05:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.documentfoundation.org | Feature Comparison: LibreOffice - Microsoft Office - The Document Foundation Wiki | Jan 22 05:45 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: Older MS Office documents you really do want Libreoffice because current MS office will not open them. or will not open them correctly. | Jan 22 05:49 |
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| Hail_Spacecake | schestowitz: the US accused the Iranian regime of deporting american citizens who came to Iran to study? | Jan 22 07:57 |
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| scientes | https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction_input?qtc_tLabels1=UA434826581US | Jan 22 10:32 |
| scientes | ummmm | Jan 22 10:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tools.usps.com | USPS.com® - USPS Tracking® Results | Jan 22 10:32 | |
| scientes | San Francisco cA -> Queens NY -> Oakland CA | Jan 22 10:32 |
| scientes | WTF | Jan 22 10:32 |
| scientes | it got shipped to NY just to come right back | Jan 22 10:33 |
| scientes | did it bounce? | Jan 22 10:33 |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I do not. | Jan 22 11:59 |
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| Cradamy | schestowitz, hi, i read your article about the startpage drama, i am peripherally involved, i was wondering why you didn't post a link to the for the relevant issue on privacytools's git, like as a citation | Jan 22 14:33 |
| Cradamy | by periphery, i mean i know people on the team, i'm not a member of privacytools myself, so i can't give any info you don't already have | Jan 22 14:38 |
| scientes | WTF is this bullshit | Jan 22 14:40 |
| scientes | archive.org now has "files" that are just links into Adobe's walled garden | Jan 22 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | hi Cradamy | Jan 22 16:54 |
| schestowitz | just a moment, catching up with irc.... | Jan 22 16:55 |
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| *schestowitz caught up | Jan 22 16:57 | |
| schestowitz | that's one citation of several, Cradamy | Jan 22 16:57 |
| schestowitz | there's more mention in IRC logs | Jan 22 16:57 |
| schestowitz | and communication off the recor d | Jan 22 16:58 |
| schestowitz | I also asked the accused or the suspects | Jan 22 16:58 |
| zoobab | hep | Jan 22 16:58 |
| schestowitz | but I don't want to name any names yet | Jan 22 16:58 |
| schestowitz | as that would not help | Jan 22 16:58 |
| schestowitz | would not help anyone | Jan 22 16:58 |
| schestowitz | let me paste something here | Jan 22 16:58 |
| schestowitz | https://www.epicbrowser.com/FAQ.html | Jan 22 16:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epicbrowser.com | Epic Privacy Browser FAQ. Epic is a secure chromium-based web browser that protects your privacy online. | Jan 22 16:59 | |
| schestowitz | "Why aren't so-called private search engines DuckDuckGo or Startpage offered in Epic? Why are you unable to trust them?" | Jan 22 16:59 |
| schestowitz | Fake | Jan 22 16:59 |
| schestowitz | from | Jan 22 16:59 |
| schestowitz | xxxxxxxx | Jan 22 16:59 |
| schestowitz | Did you see this by Epic Browser. Scroll down to see why they won't list DDG or Startpage | Jan 22 16:59 |
| schestowitz | I have more, but it's for the next article on this subject | Jan 22 16:59 |
| schestowitz | "I am also concerned about the reported job offer to a xxxxxx employee that appears to have happened during a delisting/relisting discussion period, but I still don't know all the facts on that. It appears to have happened and should raise questions and concerns -- which I hope will be answered at some point soon. The offer could be an attempt to influence the relisting, or it could be very bad judgement on the part of Startpage/System1. | Jan 22 16:59 |
| schestowitz | Either way, the details should be made public IMHO." | Jan 22 16:59 |
| schestowitz | higher priority at the moment is getting out by day's end "Linux Foundation (LF) Now Dominated by Lots of Microsoft People and LF Chiefs Join Microsoft in Smearing GPL/Copyleft" | Jan 22 17:00 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Do You Really Need Antivirus Software on Linux? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133209 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e58e9e62-6de5-4b71-89a0-d3d624d5b7f4] | Jan 22 19:09 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mozilla did make users less safe by dropping file system write capabilities from extensions and forcing the user to go through an external app. | Jan 22 19:14 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: More Python Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/133210 [https://pleroma.site/objects/48a5d052-1592-4369-a1b9-46c56f8b4ab1] | Jan 22 19:15 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Video sites that don't want to mess woth drm but still want to make it harder to casually download are using things like MSE and HLS to stream the video to the browser in packets instead of telling it where the file is. | Jan 22 19:16 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/648090.jpg | Jan 22 19:46 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | "Microsoft plans to switch Chrome users to Bing using Office 365 installer." | Jan 22 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz | Jan 22 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-to-forcibly-install-bing-search-extension-in-chrome-for-office-365-proplus-users/ | Jan 22 20:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft to forcibly install Bing search extension in Chrome for Office 365 ProPlus users | ZDNet | Jan 22 20:44 | |
| XRevan86 | > Office 365 ProPlus is the most productive and most secure Office experience for enterprises | Jan 22 20:49 |
| XRevan86 | The first line and I already almost puked | Jan 22 20:49 |
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| MinceR | lol | Jan 22 21:12 |
| danielp3344 | ^^ | Jan 22 21:18 |
| danielp3344 | I started working as a mechanic a few days ago. | Jan 22 21:18 |
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| danielp3344 | On my first day one of the other guys was trying to use a computer in the shop for something and I overheard him say 'Activate windows? What's that mean?' | Jan 22 21:22 |
| danielp3344 | I had a really hard time not laughing | Jan 22 21:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Tell him it means he can't put his naked girlfriend on as the wallpaper. | Jan 22 21:25 |
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| MinceR | (audio:none?) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/02/46db8c514a55a334.mp4 | Jan 22 22:11 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Wine 5.0 is a big improvement. Lots of good stuff. | Jan 22 22:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I still don't understand why they refuse Gallium 9. Had to install it as a standalone. | Jan 22 22:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Putting Direct3D in as Gallium state trackers makes more sense, especially since most recent hardware will be using Gallium3d when Iris lands. | Jan 22 22:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Classic Mesa will be around basically for really old Intel stuff for some more years and then get dropped. | Jan 22 22:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-FESCo-Defers-EarlyOOM | Jan 22 22:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fedora's FESCo Has Deferred Any Decision On EarlyOOM By Default - Phoronix | Jan 22 22:53 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | OOM Killer is moving into systemd now, basically. | Jan 22 22:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Facebook wrote a systemd module to try to deal with low memory situations earlier and more intelligently. | Jan 22 22:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I know MinceR will hate this but oom-killer in the kernel has historically been a disaster. It waits until the system is about to crash and then often picks the least convenient thing for the user to lose and kills that. | Jan 22 22:54 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I've been playing with Chromium Freeworld 79. So I got it set up the way I normally have Firefox. | Jan 22 22:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems to go easier on the battery a bit. | Jan 22 22:57 |
| MinceR | if you think oom-killer in the kernel is a disaster, wait till you see oom-killer in systemd :> | Jan 22 23:01 |
| psydroid | systemd has become something akin to a black hole | Jan 22 23:05 |
| psydroid | soon we will call the whole thing Systemd OS | Jan 22 23:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | systemd does have one advantage over the kernel. | Jan 22 23:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The whole thing can be distributed under the LGPL 3 or the GPL 3 if you want. | Jan 22 23:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Torvalds not only can't re-license Linux, but _nobody_ can, and on top of that he smeared the GPL 3 and called it a "horrible political document". | Jan 22 23:19 |
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| psydroid | the good thing is that some can come in and write a GPLv3 kernel from scratch | Jan 22 23:26 |
| psydroid | someone* | Jan 22 23:26 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/647971.jpg | Jan 22 23:34 |
| MinceR | i don't see why i would care what license a piece of malware designed to take away my freedoms can be distributed under | Jan 22 23:35 |
| danielp3344 | <psydroid "soon we will call the whole thin"> nah I think it will be just 'systemd' | Jan 22 23:36 |
| danielp3344 | then we won't have to argue about the 'GNU[+|/]' anymore | Jan 22 23:37 |
| danielp3344 | <MinceR "i don't see why i would care wha"> too far, I dont think it's fair to say it's designed to do that | Jan 22 23:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wouldn't be surprised if distributions start distributing BSD coreutils. | Jan 22 23:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Android does. | Jan 22 23:38 |
| XRevan86 | Even Alpine doesn't. | Jan 22 23:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't see why it would be bad. I'm sure that they include a "Linux compatibility mode" to cover non-posix behavior that Stallman insisted on. | Jan 22 23:39 |
| MinceR | danielp3344: then you haven't been paying attention :> | Jan 22 23:39 |
| danielp3344 | MinceR: educate me? | Jan 22 23:39 |
| MinceR | we won't have to argue about the GNU part anymore because they're killing it off | Jan 22 23:39 |
| danielp3344 | It's hard to get into the anti systemd cult because they don't do a very good job explaining their position | Jan 22 23:40 |
| MinceR | danielp3344: the whole thing and its dependents are designed so that you have to run the whole thing, it has their decisions baked in, and if you try to fork it, you get to keep up with their insane random churn in the code | Jan 22 23:40 |
| danielp3344 | MinceR: I'm still running a lot of GNU here | Jan 22 23:40 |
| MinceR | then get into the systemd cult | Jan 22 23:40 |
| MinceR | it's "hip" and "cool" | Jan 22 23:40 |
| danielp3344 | I am :P | Jan 22 23:41 |
| danielp3344 | but not for that reason | Jan 22 23:41 |
| MinceR | don't worry, all that GNU will become "unhip" and "uncool" because it's not "modern" | Jan 22 23:41 |
| MinceR | if you even are allowed to run it on Gnome OS | Jan 22 23:41 |
| danielp3344 | I still like GNU | Jan 22 23:41 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't say that too loudly in the cult if i were you | Jan 22 23:41 |
| danielp3344 | MinceR: you're really hard to talk to when you wont stop flaming :/ | Jan 22 23:41 |
| MinceR | uh huh | Jan 22 23:41 |
| MinceR | well, i have other things to do | Jan 22 23:42 |
| danielp3344 | I was just trying to understand | Jan 22 23:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Stallman's main contribution to Linux seems to be abortion jokes, posix incompatibility, and a compiler that has proven to be fairly inflexible. | Jan 22 23:42 |
| danielp3344 | abortion jokes? | Jan 22 23:42 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: he did contribute plenty to GNU/Linux though | Jan 22 23:42 |
| MinceR | too bad red hat's paying him enough to discard all of it | Jan 22 23:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not illegal for him to casually joke about abortion and rape, but it does deserve harsh criticism. | Jan 22 23:43 |
| MinceR | but yeah, we're in a shitty situation when it comes to compilers | Jan 22 23:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Daniel Peterson: It's in one of the GNU manpages. There's an abortion joke that Stallman put there and then refused to let them remove | Jan 22 23:43 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: which one? | Jan 22 23:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not always immediately clear whether using Clang or GCC would lead to better results for the user. | Jan 22 23:44 |
| MinceR | apparently it's easy to trigger DaemonFC[m] with abortion jokes :> | Jan 22 23:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It just really depends on what you're doing and you need to test it both ways. | Jan 22 23:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For some reason, I think LAME works better when built with Clang. | Jan 22 23:44 |
| danielp3344 | think? | Jan 22 23:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Phoronix ran a bunch of benchmarks. | Jan 22 23:45 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: That is true (the not always clear part). | Jan 22 23:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some programs were dramatically faster when built with Clang, including x265. | Jan 22 23:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The x265 performance win was so huge, it was like 33% faster. Something like that. | Jan 22 23:46 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: It's C++ I presume | Jan 22 23:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When you're running an encoding operation that can take 6-8 hours on a fast computer, that's obviously worth considering. | Jan 22 23:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | C++ and assembler. | Jan 22 23:47 |
| XRevan86 | If it has been microoptimised for clang++, then I can totally see how certain things can underperform on g++. | Jan 22 23:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | LAME is old C code that dates back into the 90s though. | Jan 22 23:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And I recall it was dramatically faster under Clang too. | Jan 22 23:49 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: That's more surprising, and interesting. | Jan 22 23:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mozilla switched all their buildbots to Clang. | Jan 22 23:53 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: For uniformity with Windows and macOS builds | Jan 22 23:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fedora was about to grant an exception for Firefox and then someone patched it to build with GCC with LTO/PGO. | Jan 22 23:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, there's really not much reason to use Clang on Firefox or Chromium. | Jan 22 23:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You certainly can, but GCC can build them fine.. | Jan 22 23:54 |
| XRevan86 | It's really not about compiler quality. | Jan 22 23:54 |
| XRevan86 | Clang got some traction behind it, because it's… because it's… well, you know, permissively licensed. | Jan 22 23:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, that certainly sucked a lot of the air out of GCC. | Jan 22 23:56 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder if it'll actually win over under GNU/Linux and when | Jan 22 23:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Probably. Intel is heavily optimizing their code for Clang. | Jan 22 23:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Including SVT-AV1. | Jan 22 23:56 |
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