●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 ●● ● Jun 22 [00:00] cybrNaut/fn is the bridge coming from liberachat? [00:00] MinceR no [00:00] XRevan86 cybrNaut: irc.techrights.org [00:00] MinceR this side is the techrights network [00:00] Ariadne no, schestowitz wanted to selfhost irc last year [00:00] Ariadne i just didnt get around to it until now [00:00] XRevan86 cybrNaut: But if ye have other channels, ye should check where they are now too. [00:00] XRevan86 it's illegal to notify users about the current whereabouts of channels on freenode [00:01] XRevan86 as on [00:01] XRevan86 as a free speech haven should [00:02] XRevan86 No one leaves the free speech haven. [00:02] Ariadne freedom! [00:03] MinceR freedoom! [00:03] schestowitz freeware [00:03] schestowitz XRevan86: did you find code for that app? [00:03] schestowitz after all, freenode is FOSS [00:04] Ariadne the irc.com app? [00:04] schestowitz yeah [00:04] Ariadne https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/1407069024643686401 [00:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Dinnerbone: Did some snooping around this really weird https://t.co/ViENvUmy9i becoming https://t.co/3LFosH6tm7 thing. You can https://t.co/myLSGAhPdI [00:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> IRC.com [00:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> freenode.net | freenode [00:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Dinnerbone: Did some snooping around this really weird https://t.co/ViENvUmy9i becoming https://t.co/3LFosH6tm7 thing. You can https://t.co/myLSGAhPdI [00:04] Ariadne you can read about it here [00:04] XRevan86 schestowitz: comedy gold :) [00:04] Ariadne its a snoozefest [00:04] schestowitz i saw that [00:04] XRevan86 Ariadne: I gave that link before. [00:06] techrights-bot/fn #freenode is just a name now, little else. https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/1407069024643686401 [00:07] MinceR won't even be a name for long if it goes that way [00:07] XRevan86 cybrNaut: Also spread the word, people should know that IRC is not actually deserted. [00:08] schestowitz scortched earth [00:09] schestowitz freenode on a 30-day diet plan [00:09] kingoffrance ^ this was touched on, that irc was supposedly dying, maybe have to break a few shells to make an irclette (not in those words, but to that effect) [00:09] techrights-bot/fn Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 688 https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/06/21/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-688/ #ubuntu #gnu #linux [00:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fridge.ubuntu.com | Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 688 [00:10] schestowitz Shells has not been buying puff pieces for a while [00:10] schestowitz it started just over a year ago [00:10] schestowitz lots of paid-for fluff [00:10] schestowitz in sites that claim to be "news" [00:11] XRevan86 It might seem that way to someone who just logged into freenode to check the channels and found no activity whatsoever. [00:11] schestowitz maybe they want to do to "LINUX" what Kape did to "IRC" [00:11] kingoffrance as in, self-fulfilling prophecy? sure [00:11] XRevan86 not everyone's running bridges [00:13] techrights-bot/fn #Linux Plumbers Conference: Toolchains and #Kernel Microconference Accepted into 2021 Linux Plumbers Conference https://www.linuxplumbersconf.org/blog/2021/index.php/2021/06/21/toolchains-and-kernel-microconference-accepted-into-2021-linux-plumbers-conference/ [00:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxplumbersconf.org | Toolchains and Kernel Microconference Accepted into 2021 Linux Plumbers Conference Linux Plumbers Conference 2021 [00:13] schestowitz poor people who joined Lee [00:13] schestowitz sooner or later, maybe 1-2 paychecks later [00:13] schestowitz unemployed [00:13] schestowitz like deBlanc [00:13] schestowitz tweeted today she's no longer employed [00:14] schestowitz I guess doing hate letters and staff doesn't work out too well at the end [00:14] MinceR who knows? garrett still seems to be doing that [00:14] schestowitz Maybe "Teddy" will bail out Drew v [00:14] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teddy_Sagi#Kape_Technologies_plc [00:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Teddy Sagi - Wikipedia [00:15] schestowitz MinceR: doing what? Playing with the doorbell? [00:15] schestowitz we get things done [00:15] schestowitz while he's shitposting in "Shitter" [00:15] schestowitz and maybe even pretending to work somewhere [00:15] MinceR posting bullshit to help the interests of monopolists [00:16] schestowitz Red Hat staff told me they had been receiving code directly from NSA [00:16] schestowitz they're downstreamers sometimes [00:16] schestowitz MinceR: that's where the money is [00:16] schestowitz attacking enemies of the Black Budget companies [00:17] MinceR maybe that's where the money is for molly "I don't know how to code, but I do have blue hair." deblanc as well [00:18] schestowitz that changed since then [00:18] schestowitz not the description [00:18] schestowitz the colour [00:18] schestowitz https://github.com/mollydb [00:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mollydb (Molly de Blanc) GitHub [00:18] schestowitz "My hair is now orange and pink. " [00:18] MinceR :> [00:18] schestowitz I am not joking, you can click to check [00:19] XRevan86 sounds like jokes [00:19] schestowitz that says a lot about the coding experience [00:19] schestowitz XRevan86: she is [00:19] *XRevan86 has no idea who that is. [00:19] schestowitz and someone gnome foundation thought picking Andrew Lee and Bully de blanc is a smart idea [00:19] schestowitz https://foundation.gnome.org/2013/09/23/interview-with-andrew-lee-of-private-internet-access/ [00:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-foundation.gnome.org | Interview with Andrew Lee of Private Internet Access The GNOME Foundation [00:19] schestowitz ". Andrew Lee is a long-time privacy advocate, and has co-founded several other privacy related companies in the past including Mt Gox Live which was later acquired by Mt Gox the leading Bitcoin exchange. " [00:20] schestowitz That was before Mt Gox collapseed [00:20] schestowitz and people asked, wtf is our money !! [00:20] *XRevan86 checked out her singing: it's not good, but not terrible either. Maybe there's potential, I don't know. [00:20] schestowitz "We do not have any specific numbers regarding the percentage of our customers who use GNU/Linux. However, with that said, were confident that most of our customers are using GNU/Linux in some form, whether on their desktop or mobile device.' [00:21] schestowitz at least he says GNU [00:21] schestowitz anyway... [00:21] schestowitz the world is f'ed up [00:21] schestowitz let's make the most of it, lads... :-) [00:21] schestowitz we can always fall back on football, beers, and celebs [00:21] schestowitz or "royalty" [00:22] schestowitz (or people with claims to royalty) [00:22] XRevan86 oh wow, I somehow don't care about all of those things. [00:22] schestowitz the gnome interview links to a bad (invalid) page: https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2013/06/prism/ [00:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2013/06/prism/ ) [00:22] XRevan86 So de Blanc worked at the GNOME Foundaction [00:22] MinceR "worked" [00:22] schestowitz 'worked' [00:23] schestowitz you overstate it [00:23] MinceR :) [00:23] schestowitz MinceR beat me to it [00:23] schestowitz butler for mcgovern [00:23] XRevan86 was getting a paycheque from GNOME Foundation [00:23] schestowitz clicking things to add signatures [00:23] schestowitz add that to your CV [00:23] schestowitz learned to click things in a Microsoft GUI [00:23] XRevan86 So why is that noteworthy? [00:24] schestowitz maybe someone in GIAFAM reckons they need to clean house [00:24] schestowitz as gnome foundation lacked credibility now [00:24] XRevan86 For how long has she been getting a paycheque from the GNOME Foundation? [00:24] schestowitz maybe they'll rotate again and Neil will join miguel and Stormy at Microsoft [00:24] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/GNOME_Foundation#Introduction [00:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GNOME Foundation - Techrights [00:25] schestowitz XRevan86: maybe a year? [00:25] schestowitz No bad deed goes unrewarded [00:25] schestowitz and no good deed goes unpunished [00:25] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@bkr8p2czryj76.irc) has joined #techrights [00:25] XRevan86 https://foundation.gnome.org/2013/09/23/interview-with-andrew-lee-of-private-internet-access/ [00:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-foundation.gnome.org | Interview with Andrew Lee of Private Internet Access The GNOME Foundation [00:25] XRevan86 speaking of that [00:25] XRevan86 > were confident that most of our customers are using GNU/Linux in some form, whether on their desktop or mobile device [00:26] DaemonFC Well, I just had a car accident. [00:26] XRevan86 I only now noticed how beautiful this sentence is. [00:26] DaemonFC And I was cited with failure to yield, by a cop that wasn't even there, without any other witnesses. [00:26] XRevan86 most of PIA's customers used N9/N900 in 2013? :) [00:26] schestowitz car accident -> scoail [00:26] schestowitz we were talking about tech [00:26] MinceR maybe laptops are mobile too :> [00:26] schestowitz XRevan86: no, android maybe [00:26] schestowitz but not GNU [00:27] XRevan86 schestowitz: Exactly. [00:27] MinceR or they had a GNU chroot on top of android [00:27] MinceR i did [00:27] schestowitz Gulag is still trying to replace the G [00:27] schestowitz gnu and gp [00:27] schestowitz then they become oooooh! lagggggg... [00:27] XRevan86 Pretty sure rasengan just didn't know the difference. [00:28] schestowitz but their lousy little kernel, after all this time, was demoted to unsaid "devices" [00:28] schestowitz Freenode is FOSS [00:28] schestowitz Apple is Freenode [00:28] schestowitz Freenode is Kape [00:28] schestowitz Kape is PIA [00:28] schestowitz Pia is Waugh [00:28] schestowitz Waugh is GNOME Foundation [00:28] schestowitz Jeff and Pia divorced [00:29] schestowitz (the Waughs) [00:29] schestowitz true story btw [00:29] activelow for technical reasons already i considered dropping entire widget toolkits including gtk and qt, not sure what remained with motif or gnustep [00:29] schestowitz he did so much damage to gnome [00:29] XRevan86 activelow: Tk? %) [00:29] schestowitz later opened up in his blog about having chronic depression [00:29] activelow XRevan86: why not? [00:30] schestowitz XRevan86: or be a lagrange and sue SDL2 for software, not games :-) [00:30] schestowitz *use [00:30] activelow only problem i had then was to explain this to EU labor market and to my mother what i was doing with my time [00:30] schestowitz some truly weird toolkit that is... [00:30] XRevan86 schestowitz: It's not really a widget toolkit though. [00:31] schestowitz none of them are [00:31] kingoffrance linked other day, from https://hackers.town/@mjd/106437663222347557 -> https://clarity.kleydints.com/a-post-mortem-in-5-acts-of-how-microsoft-privatized-open-source-killing-javascript-in-the-process-62ee5fc77d9e [00:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Happy Fun Ball :amiga:: "I'm concerned about a few things with modern deve" - hackers.town [00:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-clarity.kleydints.com | A Post-Mortem in 5 Acts, of How Microsoft Privatized Open Source, killing JavaScript in the Process | by Alex Kleydints | Clarity [00:31] schestowitz they extended beyond widget [00:31] schestowitz qt is trying to be everything [00:31] kingoffrance quote "Although Open Source grew inside capitalism, its values weirdly werent part of that capitalistic world-view. Thats why, from day one, it was bound for destruction at some point or another." [00:31] schestowitz when I did gtk they had gdk too [00:31] XRevan86 schestowitz: SDL is the opposite [00:32] MinceR Qt was trying to be a cross-platform portability toolkit [00:32] XRevan86 There are some rudimentary widgets, but SDL is simply not about that. [00:32] MinceR then it also became half a window manager [00:32] MinceR then it also became a web browser [00:32] MinceR then it also became another web browser [00:32] schestowitz [17:43] You know Qt has given up on Free software when... https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-on-appl e-silicon #qt [00:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-on-appl ) [00:33] activelow anyone willing to provide funding for free software distro? latest greatest features are no-GTK, no-QT, no-CUPS [00:33] schestowitz https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-on-appl e-silicon [00:33] schestowitz https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-on-apple-silicon [00:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.qt.io | Qt on Apple Silicon [00:33] schestowitz CUPS is dead anyway [00:33] schestowitz it was 'forked' [00:33] schestowitz because of neglect by Apple [00:33] XRevan86 schestowitz: Um, it's not dead. [00:34] XRevan86 https://github.com/OpenPrinting/cups it's still CUPS [00:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - OpenPrinting/cups: OpenPrinting CUPS Sources [00:34] activelow python was attacked already too: waf and rust, consider this potentially gone soon too [00:34] schestowitz https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=PAPPL-1.0-RC1-Released [00:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-PAPPL 1.0 RC1 Released With A Goal To Replace CUPS Printer Drivers - Phoronix [00:34] activelow i removed CUPS for technical reasons, which was the service daemon insisted on root-privileges, while crappy old lprng did not [00:35] schestowitz They would be wiser not to use GitHub [00:35] kingoffrance this too, seems similar to "big foss" i.e. lets lament "open source" dying; i dont think you have to a take a strict "free sw" v "open source" just if you do take that view, then "big foss" "open source is dying" are all distraction/noise [00:35] kingoffrance (the quote about "open source") [00:35] XRevan86 schestowitz: As ye may notice, the person behind CUPS now is still Michael Sweet. [00:35] schestowitz https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=PAPPL-1.0-Released [00:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-CUPS' Founder Releases PAPPL 1.0 As Modern Printer Application Framework - Phoronix [00:36] XRevan86 And PAPPL depends on CUPS [00:36] schestowitz Apple pappel [00:36] schestowitz they killed CUPS [00:36] kingoffrance maybe other way to say that: without being "grounded" in something that isnt ever-shifting, people can easily be "2 steps forward, 1 step back" routed into long term destruction [00:36] schestowitz neglects [00:36] schestowitz suits them [00:36] XRevan86 schestowitz: CUPS is dead on macOS. [00:36] activelow plan B: uboot and begin writing a new kernel [00:36] XRevan86 it's doing fine on GNU/Linux [00:36] activelow uboot is the last line of defense [00:37] schestowitz it won't be dead when macOS is dead [00:37] techrights-bot/fn Open Hardware/Modding: Wilson the IoT Hat (Arduino), Purism, and COVID Patient Health Assessment Device http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152542 [00:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware/Modding: Wilson the IoT Hat (Arduino), Purism, and COVID Patient Health Assessment Device | Tux Machines [00:38] XRevan86 schestowitz: And? CUPS is doing fine. [00:38] XRevan86 decoupled from Apple and macOS [00:38] schestowitz good [00:38] XRevan86 yes [00:39] schestowitz we've been tested a lot, constantly [00:39] schestowitz SCO [00:39] schestowitz Novelll [00:39] MinceR are the things crApple ripped out still gone? [00:39] schestowitz GitHub [00:39] schestowitz systemd [00:39] schestowitz we need to respond to these things [00:39] schestowitz now 'free'n0d3 [00:39] XRevan86 MinceR: There was a patchset that is mainline CUPS now. [00:41] MinceR have they de-crApple-ified the web UI? [00:41] kingoffrance "Microsoft was able to piggy-back on the disorganized and leaderless open-source community and did this without any noticeable resistance." [00:41] XRevan86 MinceR: no idea [00:42] kingoffrance i think that is dangerous -- no, there were (self appointed perhaps) leaders and positions of power were infiltrated (or that was always the goal, if you want to go there) [00:42] schestowitz kingoffrance: "openJS" = Microsoft [00:42] schestowitz led by a mole from Edelman, Microsoft [00:42] kingoffrance yes [00:42] schestowitz the PR liars that did "OpenATMicrosoft" [00:42] schestowitz she infiltrated the LF [00:42] kingoffrance or they made self-appointed "leaders" in order to steer things [00:42] schestowitz and not bosses Torvalds [00:42] kingoffrance yep [00:42] schestowitz Edelman inside LF [00:42] schestowitz also their last CMO [00:42] schestowitz Edelman [00:43] schestowitz new: https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/06/investigative-reports/edelman-pr-and-the-manufacturing-of-trust/ [00:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Edelman PR and the Manufacturing of Trust - unlimitedhangout.com [00:43] schestowitz older: https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/01/15/the-irony-of-calling-america-a-banana-republic/ [00:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Irony of Calling America a "Banana Republic" - CounterPunch.org [00:43] schestowitz Microsoft = cult [00:43] schestowitz LF = marketing [00:43] schestowitz LFsoft = marketing cult [00:43] schestowitz Torvalds needs to out asap and take the trademark with him [00:44] schestowitz before Linux becomes just another new brand for covax or whatever [00:44] kingoffrance maybe it is splitting hairs, but its double-edged sword to have "leaders". theres always leaders, its just overt or covert. theres always "disorganized" too, its a way "leaders" hide by saying well you know i guess people choose this thing, it wasnt "steered" by any "leaders" [00:44] schestowitz Bill was led by his micro-soft [00:44] schestowitz and by the charm of a sex trafficker [00:44] activelow it is the entire legal framework of EU [00:44] schestowitz whom he someone could not resist [00:45] kingoffrance propaganda perhaps is, the art of leaders steering "disorganized" people and convincing them they wanted an outcome and werent led into it [00:45] schestowitz even went to visit him in prison, trying to figure out how to rescue him [00:45] activelow EU officials are still aggressively agitating for this "privatization", in parallel to issueing ridiculous fake anti-trust rulings against the entities they had supported before by privatizing [00:45] kingoffrance the propagandist "leaders" must hide and convince people it was all spontaneous uprising of the disorganized [00:46] activelow there isn't at least minimum wage and rudimentary social security applied with any legal construction surrounding this "privatized" madhouse [00:46] activelow including big telco [00:47] kingoffrance so, perhaps "open source" was disorganized and leaderless, perhaps on purpose. its not that i disagree this left a vacuum, but "microsoft" if they are responsible, people should name names if they think such [00:48] kingoffrance *left a vacuum if it was the case [00:48] kingoffrance because ms fanboys are just gonna spit that "yall hate ms so bad, haters" [00:48] kingoffrance *spin [00:48] MinceR they're going to do that anyway [00:48] MinceR that has been on repeat for decades [00:48] MinceR people don't want microshit to own them only because they're "haters" [00:50] kingoffrance at some point you can show people a memo with deliberate strategy and they will still lalalalala i cant hear you, i just think its a trap to say open source was non-capitalist, and now that means by default if you dont want ms owning you you must be a dirty no good commie [00:51] kingoffrance minor issue, but it is doing ms's marketing for them [00:52] kingoffrance im ambivalent, correctly says for-profit companies dont just offer "free stuff" without strings attached [00:55] kingoffrance its not so simple, its just i thought open source was the "business friendly" thing [00:56] kingoffrance so kind of seems 180 (ignoring what it is true or not, my perceptions may be off) [00:59] activelow i roughly estimated the balance sheet discrepancies already, including destroyed capital and damages alltogether, who knows [00:59] activelow and i've got enough evidence too [00:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.31 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 12.15 swarm size (avg): 308.01 ● Jun 22 [01:02] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:02] kingoffrance basically "Although Open Source grew inside capitalism, its values weirdly werent part of that capitalistic world-view. " not to diverge, just i think many would disagree with that statement, open source was the business-friendly tone-down-the-freedom movement [01:02] kingoffrance i think author is just young perhaps, not accusing them of anything ,anyways, enough [01:03] *activelow (~activelow@6e45g5qtaw8zu.irc) has joined #techrights [01:06] MinceR well, tone down they did [01:06] MinceR to 0 [01:08] kingoffrance maybe, ever-shifting goal posts means if you dont go along with the shifts you get branded "extremist" so it becomes all just noise at that point [01:09] kingoffrance devolves into pure perception/marketing [01:09] kingoffrance all values get destroyed [01:12] *verbose (~verbose@xm5z894qxaqia.irc) has joined #techrights [01:14] activelow a rough estimate of capital damages (not individual income) here is a handful of dozens of millions of coins worth of securities/assets destroyed (unrelated to the freenode spook) [01:29] *kingoffrance pours gas on fire. [01:29] kingoffrance i think this applies to bloat too [01:30] kingoffrance not that im sure you would want metrics, but its always gonna be "32G of ram is normal now, nothing to see here, ..." ratios might be only way to handle that, if one were so inclined [01:30] kingoffrance ratios of ram usage to some particular system or base, whatever [01:31] kingoffrance without a defined base, "bloat" is always handwaved away [01:32] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [01:38] activelow unaltered trend is +20% bloat or more each year [01:39] kingoffrance not that i doubt, but any references for that? [01:39] kingoffrance even anecdotal is fine [01:40] activelow lines of code in GCC, lines of code in Kernel, number of commits [01:43] activelow from year 2003 i remember the mountains of telco standards stockpiled, didn't look back anymore [01:43] activelow outside the realm of "big foss" there's "big telco" too [01:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 26.01 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 9.01 swarm size (avg): 308.78 ● Jun 22 [02:04] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [02:04] AdmFubar https://www.darkreading.com/cloud/software-container-supply-chain-sees-spike-in-attacks/d/d-id/1341353 [02:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-beta.darkreading.com | Dark Reading | Security | Protect The Business [02:08] AdmFubar https://www.ghacks.net/2021/06/21/microsoft-is-trying-to-stop-the-distribution-of-the-leaked-windows-11-iso-using-dmca/ [02:08] AdmFubar But is anyone actually stealing it? [02:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ghacks.net | Microsoft is trying to stop the distribution of the leaked Windows 11 ISO using DMCA - gHacks Tech News [02:12] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [02:13] MinceR lol [02:14] MinceR gotta have new icons and rounded corners [02:19] AdmFubar I think ms is try to get people to steal it so they can say their install numbers are up.. [02:27] psydroid > Not sure if scientes is around, but just in case: https://youtu.be/du5q_Jpk2rQ [02:27] psydroid . [02:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- . () - YouTube [02:28] XRevan86 psydroid: ? [02:29] psydroid [02:30] psydroid XRevan86, :) [02:30] psydroid [02:31] XRevan86 psydroid: ? :) [02:36] techrights-bot/fn *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-210621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-210621.txt Read the log now... 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[02:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Monday, June 21, 2021 [02:40] XRevan86 Anyway, a surprisingly good song for a parody with a political statement :) [02:40] AdmFubar https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210617/10131247008/as-predicted-smaller-media-outlets-are-getting-screwed-australias-link-tax.shtml [02:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-As Predicted, Smaller Media Outlets Are Getting Screwed By Australia's Link Tax | Techdirt [02:41] techrights-bot/fn *** *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-06-21.txt [02:41] psydroid :) [02:42] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [02:43] AdmFubar https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210619/16491447023/doj-asks-dc-court-to-compel-decryption-device-seized-capitol-raid-case.shtml [02:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DOJ Asks DC Court To Compel Decryption Of Device Seized In A Capitol Raid Case | Techdirt [02:47] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@eptjdkcdndegg.irc) has joined #techrights [02:51] AdmFubar https://xkcd.com/2479/ [02:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Houseguests [02:53] AdmFubar https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/06/19/0447209&from=rss [02:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Texans' Smart Thermostats Raised Remotely - SoylentNews [02:53] *job (~job@faedm9en5b78c.irc) has joined #techrights [02:53] kingoffrance schestowitz, more or less finished l0derview except last 1/2 is not related so didnt see need to finish. l0de says andrew was cleaning out "open source" people, and l0de says he himself was trying to destroy freenode for 20 years so it is sweet. l0de i interpret 1/2 serious 1/2 not.; my opinion: nothing of substance worth talking about, stick with whatever you consider real issues/work/etc. [02:54] kingoffrance unless you want to do an article about GNAA or something [02:54] kingoffrance or whatever it is [02:54] XRevan86 > In the next week or two we're going to continue, you know, finding toxic channels and closing them down. [02:55] XRevan86 This was a good quote though. [02:55] XRevan86 kingoffrance: The interview doesn't give much about what is planned for freenode, but does shed light on what kind of person rasengan is. [02:56] kingoffrance sure, agree. and it comes off as optics to me and for the lolz [02:56] XRevan86 l0de was definitely having fun. [02:56] kingoffrance optics as in, true or not, "hurl back the allegation" that people saying other people are toxic are toxic. just doesnt seem something i want to jump in the middle of when stuff is being thrown [02:57] XRevan86 kingoffrance: So far the definition of toxicity was whether a person is on board with the new vision. [02:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.76 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.68 swarm size (avg): 309.60 [02:59] kingoffrance "Deny, v.t. See Hurl Back the Allegation" its not too immature for me, just noise/signal ratio i dont see any reason to jump in again ● Jun 22 [03:01] kingoffrance and (dont use myself) there seems consensus ircclown ban or whatever was over personal dispute [03:03] kingoffrance XRevan86, thats what i mean, anyone who uses "toxic" i will step out and let them fight [03:04] kingoffrance i dont think you win by trying to "claim" it or whatever [03:04] XRevan86 kingoffrance: It's only free speech when it aligns with the freedom party line. [03:06] techrights-ipfs-bot Gemini requests since start of month: 129092 total Total pages: 35921 Active: active (running) since Tue 2021-06-08 16:18:39 BST; 1 weeks 6 days ago [03:06] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS local node stats (past 23 hours) calculated. TotalIn: 2.2 GB TotalOut: 536 MB [03:06] techrights-ipfs-bot New daily bulletin just generated. It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID [03:08] techrights-ipfs-bot QmW6B9kehxSBryvAexunPR3eXN8dZc1CHxSebKiiSDXTRh [03:09] kingoffrance XRevan86, thats also kind of what i meant by my jurassic park analogy :) [03:24] AdmFubar https://arstechnica.com/?p=1774999 [03:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Even creepier COVID tracking: Google silently pushed app to users phones [Updated] | Ars Technica [03:27] psydroid Google owns your "smart" "phone", not you [03:28] AdmFubar https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/06/eyeball-destroying-black-fungus-cases-spike-to-over-30000-in-india/ [03:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Black fungus surges in Indiathousands blinded, maimed, dead | Ars Technica [03:28] AdmFubar this is getting worse... [03:38] activelow german mobile network operator seeks to forcibly phase out my old mobile phone with the argument they wouldn't support 3G anymore and 4G is mandatory, didn't support any covid app either [03:39] activelow well, this mobile too supports 2G operation, i'll wait and see what happens, 2G fallback was mandatory iirc, they cannot shut it down except if they lock out by IMEI intentionally [03:48] AdmFubar no more old style landline in the usa either, no one make the equipment anymore. [03:51] AdmFubar https://hackaday.com/2021/06/21/a-collection-of-linux-tools-on-steroids/ [03:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Collection Of Linux Tools On Steroids | Hackaday [03:56] activelow no. [03:58] AdmFubar ok I'm outta here for the night... [03:58] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has left #techrights [03:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 25.91 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 6.55 swarm size (avg): 310.42 ● Jun 22 [04:17] psydroid I read that name as AI (as in HEY HI) Williams [04:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 34.53 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 21.73 swarm size (avg): 310.52 ● Jun 22 [05:20] techrights-bot/fn #Techrights Bulletin for Monday, June 21, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [05:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [05:21] techrights-bot/fn #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [05:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [05:30] techrights-bot/fn A Collection Of #GNU #Linux Tools On Steroids | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2021/06/21/a-collection-of-linux-tools-on-steroids/ #hackaday | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/22/#latest [05:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [05:31] schestowitz psydroid: HI HI to you too, william [05:41] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [05:41] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@eptjdkcdndegg.irc) has joined #techrights [05:46] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [05:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.63 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 47.65 swarm size (avg): 310.48 ● Jun 22 [06:22] *job has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:57] *job (~job@faedm9en5b78c.irc) has joined #techrights [06:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.81 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 38.83 swarm size (avg): 310.46 ● Jun 22 [07:01] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #NTP Deprecating ntpdate http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Dev/DeprecatingNtpdate [07:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.ntp.org | DeprecatingNtpdate < Dev < NTP [07:01] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #MartinThoresen Expanding TeX's \newif https://mht.wtf/post/tex/ [07:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mht.wtf [07:02] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #SanDiegoUnionTribune #OpenAccess Opinion: Textbooks are expensive. Universities should use Open Educational Resources instead. https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/commentary/story/2021-06-21/textbook-cost-open-educational-resources-ucsd [07:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sandiegouniontribune.com | Opinion: Textbooks are expensive. Universities should use Open Educational Resources instead. - The San Diego Union-Tribune [07:02] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #DigitalHealth #Standards #NHS Digital launches its Terminology Server to help boost data sharing https://www.digitalhealth.net/2021/06/nhs-digital-launches-its-terminology-server-to-help-boost-data-sharing/ [07:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digitalhealth.net | NHS Digital launches its Terminology Server to help boost data sharing [07:09] techrights-bot/fn #Microsoft #Windows TCO: #TheHill #ProprietarySoftware Cyber agency says SolarWinds [crack] could have been deterred by simple security measures https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/559426-cyber-agency-says-solarwinds-hack-could-have-been-deterred-by-simple [07:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cyber agency says SolarWinds hack could have been deterred by simple security measures | TheHill [07:09] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #YLE #ProprietarySoftware Police: Looming non-EU import delays likely to increase scams https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/police_looming_non-eu_import_delays_likely_to_increase_scams/11992355 [07:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Police: Looming non-EU import delays likely to increase scams | Yle Uutiset | yle.fi [07:10] techrights-bot/fn #Microsoft #Windows TCO: #IndiaTimes #ProprietarySoftware Inside a ransomware attack: how dark webs of cybercriminals collaborate to pull one off https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/inside-a-ransomware-attack-how-dark-webs-of-cybercriminals-collaborate-to-pull-one-off/83714383 [07:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | Inside a ransomware attack: how dark webs of cybercriminals collaborate to pull one off, IT News, ET CIO [07:13] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #TheHill #Surveillance #Privacy Carnival Cruise says customer data exposed in breach https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/559144-carnival-cruise-says-customer-data-exposed-in-breach [07:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Carnival Cruise says customer data exposed in breach | TheHill [07:13] CrystalMath psydroid: hey are you still on freenode? [07:13] CrystalMath someone wants to contact you [07:14] CrystalMath who doesn't want to come here [07:14] schestowitz many people are still on freenode but not very active there [07:14] schestowitz there's a bad atmosphere there of intimidation and shame [07:17] CrystalMath hey i'm active there [07:17] CrystalMath just not on this channel there, because the stupid bridge pings me :P [07:17] CrystalMath and i wish you had IPv6 so i can connect my bouncer [07:19] schestowitz painful to watch what happened to the network so fast [07:19] schestowitz one blunder after another [07:20] schestowitz before you can even digest the ramification of the previous one [07:22] techrights-bot/fn Virtual Injustice -- Part 15 will be published today or tomorrow. It is the finale of the series about #epo #corruption #injustice #coverup and #kangarooCourts [07:25] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #TheVerge #Censorship #Twitch bans two top creators in struggle with sexually suggestive streams https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/21/22543428/twitch-bans-amouranth-indiefoxx-sexually-suggestive-asmr [07:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Twitch bans two top creators in struggle with sexually suggestive streams - The Verge [07:25] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #SaudiGazette #Censorship Procedures for release of foreign publications being expedited https://saudigazette.com.sa/article/608026/SAUDI-ARABIA/Procedures-for-release-of-foreign-publications-being-expedited [07:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-saudigazette.com.sa | Procedures for release of foreign publications being expedited - Saudi Gazette [07:26] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #MSPoweruser #Censorship #Microsoft s #Tiananmen Square fiasco draws the attention of Republican law makers https://mspoweruser.com/microsofts-tiananmen-square-fiasco-draws-the-attention-of-republican-law-makers/ [07:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft's Tiananmen Square fiasco draws the attention of Republican law makers - MSPoweruser [07:27] techrights-bot/fn "Movements and businesses need funding and the less talked about problem is the payment processors. And I would argue that companies like Stripe, Paypal, Mastercard, Visa, all hold way more power than any social media platform like Facebook could ever dream of having because these companies are what allow you to even spend your money on the Internet." https://odysee.com/@BrodieRoberts [07:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com [07:27] techrights-bot/fn on:5/payment-processors-are-the-true-in [07:31] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Bloomberg #Monopolies #Amazon Could Be Forced To Sell Logistics Business Under Bill https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-22/amazon-could-be-forced-to-sell-logistics-business-under-bill [07:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? [07:32] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #IndianExpress #Copyrights #Copyright Explained: What is music acquisition, and why is it now so popular among the worlds financial giants? https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-music-acquisition-why-is-it-so-popular-now-7367710/ [07:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-indianexpress.com | Explained: What is music acquisition, and why is it now so popular among the worlds financial giants? | Explained News,The Indian Express [07:32] techrights-bot/fn #billgates name omitted https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9709245/Ghislaine-Maxwell-documentary.html see https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html [07:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | Ghislaine Maxwell 'taught Prince Andrew's ex Lady Victoria Hervey how to give oral sex' | Daily Mail Online [07:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His Past - The New York Times [07:35] techrights-bot/fn "Splitting the daily navigation across HTTP and Gemini is becoming frustrating, I'd like to do everything inside the Geminspace..." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006775.html "Meanwhile I would be happy if this/terminal browsers like lynx. W3m, etc simply gained Gemini support." #curl also. https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006776.html [07:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [Tech][Idea] Local (Magic) Proxy HTTP to Gemini [07:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [Tech][Idea] Local (Magic) Proxy HTTP to Gemini [07:36] techrights-bot/fn This is true. #geminiProtocol needs more love from #gnu #linux repos/package maintainers: "I think majority of these TUI web browsers are just kept alive by the distros maintainers and their development is quite staled..." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006777.html [07:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [Tech][Idea] Local (Magic) Proxy HTTP to Gemini [07:38] schestowitz is it a good idea to mention in the blog that bully de blanc is no longer employed? [07:39] schestowitz I think it would be in "bad taste" [07:39] schestowitz kicking someone while down [07:39] schestowitz and nevertheless, it shows that those online mobbing tactics are not a good career pat [07:39] schestowitz thus sending out a bit of a message [07:39] schestowitz if you can think of a tactful way to bring this up, let me know... [07:40] schestowitz https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io/ [07:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io [07:40] schestowitz more removals! [07:40] schestowitz "I have to go with my heart on this one." https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io/pull/44 [07:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Add myself (Ariadne Conill). by kaniini Pull Request #44 rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io GitHub [07:40] schestowitz Thank you, Ariadne, you are awesome! [07:41] schestowitz (I will not mention this in Techrights BTW) [07:43] techrights-bot/fn 6,764 people have signed "open letter in support of Richard Matthew Stallman being reinstated by the Free Software Foundation" -- a reactionary petition to one that will soon lose enough signature to fall below 3,000. #gnu #freesw #sharing #FreeSoftware #gpl [07:44] Ariadne leave molly alone [07:44] schestowitz yes [07:44] schestowitz it's in bad taste [07:44] schestowitz like I said [07:44] Ariadne also i wouldn't thank me for making a politically calculated decision [07:45] Ariadne i'm hardly RMS's greatest fan [07:45] schestowitz I know, not many people are, so that would be framing it with a straw man [07:45] Ariadne i would rather spend my time prosecuting actually active threat actors rather than passive issues like RMS [07:45] schestowitz he needs to sort things out in FSF for succession and all [07:46] Ariadne my purpose of removing myself from the RMS letter is so that i can focus on prosecuting actual threat actors, who use the letter as a strawman [07:46] schestowitz you were right about freecode [07:46] schestowitz *node [07:46] schestowitz is freecode still around at all? [07:46] *schestowitz checks [07:47] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Freecode&type=revision&diff=1022080581&oldid=1022068989 [07:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Freecode: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia [07:47] schestowitz I used to have some projects there [07:47] schestowitz as freshmeat [07:48] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Techdirt #Murdoch #Australis #internet As Predicted, Smaller Media Outlets Are Getting Screwed By Australia's #LinkTax https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210617/10131247008/as-predicted-smaller-media-outlets-are-getting-screwed-australias-link-tax.shtml [07:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-As Predicted, Smaller Media Outlets Are Getting Screwed By Australia's Link Tax | Techdirt [07:49] Ariadne the letter issue also causes problems with trying to actually nudge the FSF in a more fruitful direction [07:49] schestowitz Calling for removal of a founder leads to it [07:49] schestowitz I did not have sway on Novell from within by saying boycott Novell [07:49] *job has quit (connection closed) [07:49] schestowitz but sway from outside Novell [07:50] schestowitz though we did try for 1-2 weeks before the site [07:50] schestowitz to sway from the inside as SUSE users [07:50] schestowitz Bruce Perens also set up a popular petition at Technocrat [07:51] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #TruthOut #Surveillance Coalition Demands Federal Ban on Amazon's Punitive Worker Surveillance https://truthout.org/articles/coalition-demands-federal-ban-on-amazons-punitive-worker-surveillance/ [07:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Coalition Demands Federal Ban on Amazon's Punitive Worker Surveillance [07:52] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #CraigMurray #wikileaks #Assange Is Still in Jail https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2021/06/assange-is-still-in-jail/ "despite never being sentenced for anything" [07:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.craigmurray.org.uk | Assange Is Still in Jail - Craig Murray [07:53] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Techdirt #Privacy Researchers: 2G Connection #Encryption Deliberately Weakened To Comply With Cryptowar Export Restrictions https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210618/13040347017/researchers-2g-connection-encryption-deliberately-weakened-to-comply-with-cryptowar-export-restrictions.shtml [07:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Researchers: 2G Connection Encryption Deliberately Weakened To Comply With Cryptowar Export Restrictions | Techdirt [07:54] techrights-bot/fn Keep him in orbit https://www.cracked.com/article_30559_petition-demanding-amazons-jeff-bezos-be-banned-from-returning-to-earth-after-space-trip-garners-nearly-50000-signatures.html [07:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Petition Demanding Amazon's Jeff Bezos Be Banned From Returning To Earth After Space Flight Garners Nearly 50,000 Signatures | Cracked.com [07:55] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux Raspberry Pi R2D2 console (plus tons of other Star Wars projects) https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-r2d2-console-plus-tons-of-other-star-wars-projects/ [07:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Raspberry Pi R2D2 console (plus tons of other Star Wars projects) - Raspberry Pi [07:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.70 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 45.26 swarm size (avg): 310.34 ● Jun 22 [08:02] techrights-bot/fn When politics free zones are set up what this really means is do not disagree with the politics of the admin. https://epicyon.freedombone.net/@bob/106448360010810226 [08:03] techrights-bot/fn "I was shocked to hear that #Europol keeps illegally storing bulk data on non-suspects for years. Innocent citizens run the risk of being wrongfully suspected of having committed crimes." https://chaos.social/@echo_pbreyer/106425609307971951 [08:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patrick Breyer: " I was shocked to hear that #Europol keeps ille" - chaos.social [08:05] techrights-bot/fn #nitter instances that I use to keep abreast of some replies to me (so that I do not have to give Twitter traffic) keep perishing. I think I'm already on the firth instance so far this year (they keep going down after a while online)... like Twitter, they lack a business model [08:07] techrights-bot/fn "a problem as I see with centralized walled gardens pushing alt-right content on all their users, because that drives engagement. [...] onopolised, centralized social media is a monoculture where mind viruses can spread unchecked." https://mastodon.social/@rysiek/105579631849361233 [08:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | Rysiekr Memesson: "@allison@blob.cat @djsumdog@djsumdog.com monopoli" - Mastodon [08:09] techrights-bot/fn 20210620: #Pinephone keyboard's firmware #I2C interface https://xnux.eu/log/#041 #gnu #linux [08:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xnux.eu | megi's PinePhone Development Log [08:10] techrights-bot/fn AI = Proprietary algorithm https://mastodon.social/@cypnk/106445669997042286 #HeyHi #ProprietarySoftware #buzzwords #misnomer [08:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | rustic cyberpunk: "Never forget: AI = Proprietary algorithm Every " - Mastodon [08:11] techrights-bot/fn "It will require large tech platforms to open up to interoperability, so you can leave the platform for a rival without losing contact with your friends, communities, audiences and customers." https://mamot.fr/@pluralistic/106451188996054780 [08:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mamot.fr | Cory Doctorow's linkblog: "Last week, Congress introduced the ACCESS Act, on" - La Quadrature du Net - Mastodon - Media Fdr [08:11] techrights-bot/fn "By lowering the switching cost of walking away from Big Tech, Congress could create space for co-ops, tinkerers, nonprofits, startups and public services to create small, user-centered communities built on giving people technological self-determination." https://mamot.fr/@pluralistic/106451189877575951 [08:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mamot.fr | Cory Doctorow's linkblog: "By lowering the switching cost of walking away fr" - La Quadrature du Net - Mastodon - Media Fdr [08:13] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #EFF @doctorow The new #ACCESSAct is a good start. Heres how to make sure it delivers. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/06/new-access-act-good-start-heres-how-make-sure-it-delivers [08:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | The new ACCESS Act is a good start. Heres how to make sure it delivers. | Electronic Frontier Foundation [08:13] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #KrebsOnSecurity How Cyber Safe is Your Drinking Water Supply? https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/06/how-cyber-safe-is-your-drinking-water-supply/ [08:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krebsonsecurity.com | How Cyber Safe is Your Drinking Water Supply? Krebs on Security [08:14] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Tor #torproject New Release: #TorBrowser 10.0.18 https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor-browser-10018 [08:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.torproject.org | New Release: Tor Browser 10.0.18 | Tor Blog [08:15] techrights-bot/fn #Debian 10.10 #LXQt https://www.linuxmadesimple.info/2021/06/debian-1010-lxqt.html I've been using it for a while, but back to #kde ... wife also tried it, also back to KDE. Same OS. [08:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxmadesimple.info | Debian 10.10 LXQt [08:18] techrights-bot/fn #debian Junichi Uekawa: "Updated my simple web recording app to support multiple cameras and selecting from it. WebRecord. I didn't need it until today because I didn't use a device with more than one camera as often, but I got hold of a HDMI USB capture device and that changed the game." http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/diary/daily/2021-Jun-22.html.en#2021-Jun-22-08:32:28 [08:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.netfort.gr.jp | Updated my simple web recording app to support multiple cameras and selecting from it. [08:20] techrights-bot/fn Nice to see the choice of #openStreetMap instead of something #gafam in https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map #sharing #opendata [08:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map ) [08:22] techrights-bot/fn A Collection Of #GNU #Linux Tools On Steroids http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152543 [08:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A Collection Of Linux Tools On Steroids | Tux Machines [08:23] techrights-bot/fn Michael Kerrisk (manpages): man-pages-5.12 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152544 #gnu #linux [08:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Michael Kerrisk (manpages): man-pages-5.12 released | Tux Machines [08:25] techrights-bot/fn Cranks: vaccines are for depopulation. Actually, what's more likely, that COVID itself will cause depopulation or something that LOWERS death rates (from COVID) causing 'depopulation'? Of course the cranks don't think so far, do they? [08:26] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Techdirt #FB No, Facebook's Argument In Response To Muslim Advocates' Lawsuit Is Not 'Awkward'; #Facebook Caving On 230 Is What's Awkward https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210618/00501147014/no-facebooks-argument-response-to-muslim-advocates-lawsuit-is-not-awkward-facebook-caving-230-is-whats-awkward.shtml [08:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No, Facebook's Argument In Response To Muslim Advocates' Lawsuit Is Not 'Awkward'; Facebook Caving On 230 Is What's Awkward | Techdirt [08:29] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Techdirt #Net #Internet Glitches And Greed Mar Effort To Bring COVID Relief To US #Broadband Users https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210614/06205746986/glitches-greed-mar-effort-to-bring-covid-relief-to-us-broadband-users.shtml [08:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Glitches And Greed Mar Effort To Bring COVID Relief To US Broadband Users | Techdirt [08:30] techrights-bot/fn Julian #assange turns 50 https://dontextraditeassange.com/press-clip/assange-week-julian-turns-50/ #wikileaks [08:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dontextraditeassange.com | Assange Week - Julian turns 50 - Don't Extradite Assange [08:31] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #EU Court: Copyright Trolls Can Target #BitTorrent Pirates Provided Claims Aren't 'Abusive' https://torrentfreak.com/eu-court-copyright-trolls-can-target-bittorrent-pirates-provided-claims-arent-abusive-210621/ [08:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-EU Court: Copyright Trolls Can Target BitTorrent Pirates Provided Claims Aren't 'Abusive' * TorrentFreak [08:31] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #Sony Wins Pirate Site Blocking Order Against DNS-Resolver #Quad9 (Updated) https://torrentfreak.com/sony-wins-pirate-site-blocking-order-against-dns-resolver-quad9-210621/ [08:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sony Wins Pirate Site Blocking Order Against DNS-Resolver Quad9 (Updated) * TorrentFreak [08:33] techrights-bot/fn The war on #dns is no longer motivated by #nationalSecurity pretexts but protection of BUSINESS interests, including unjust #monopolies ... in #ipfs we have #ipns to help replace and obviate away DNS. Let's do it! Does that support crime? No! In China you get in trouble just for wanting an election. [08:33] techrights-bot/fn #patent #patents #monopolies #greed #racism https://www.democracynow.org/2021/6/21/covid_19_vaccine_apartheid [08:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | End Vaccine Apartheid: Summit on Vaccine Internationalism Demands Urgent Action to Help Global South | Democracy Now! [08:34] techrights-bot/fn Yanis Varoufakis: Capitalist Nations Bailed Out [CORRUPT] Banks [that should have instead been ARRESTED and LIQUIDATED] While Skimping on Funds to Vaccinate Humanity https://www.democracynow.org/2021/6/21/summit_for_vaccine_internationalism [08:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | Yanis Varoufakis: Capitalist Nations Bailed Out Banks While Skimping on Funds to Vaccinate Humanity | Democracy Now! [08:36] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #MichaelGeist #RCMP #Canada The Law Bytes Podcast, Episode 93: Lex Gill on the RCMP, #Clearview HEY HI and Canadas History of #Surveillance https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2021/06/law-bytes-podcast-episode-93/ [08:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.michaelgeist.ca | The Law Bytes Podcast, Episode 93: Lex Gill on the RCMP, Clearview AI and Canada's History of Surveillance - Michael Geist [08:39] techrights-bot/fn "Tim Berners-Lee jumps the shark"... he did ages ago... also sold out (or over) #w3c to #pentagon -funded #monopolies with #swpats and #drm https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-130/ [08:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-latenightlinux.com | Late Night Linux Episode 130 Late Night Linux [08:41] techrights-bot/fn "Less than twenty-four hours later and we have the news that #GNOMEFoundation has sacked Bully de Blanc. Now there really is a Zombie." https://debian.community/molly-de-blanc-fired-magdalen-berns-wizard-of-oz/ [08:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-debian.community | Molly de Blanc has been terminated, Magdalen Berns' knockout punch and the Wizard of Oz [08:41] *job (~job@42cscff4sp33s.irc) has joined #techrights [08:43] techrights-bot/fn No, thanks, #ibm ... so long and goodbye. We have clones of RHEL. https://www.2daygeek.com/enable-rhel-subscription-red-hat-subscription-management/ #2daygeek [08:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to enable Red Hat Subscription on RHEL 8/7 | 2DayGeek [08:45] techrights-bot/fn Moving from #freenode to #liberaChat is like moving from #centOS to #RHEL after #IBM showed its truly ugly face. The real solution is moving towards independence, be it self-hosting or community-led (REAL communities!) distros! [08:46] techrights-bot/fn Don't forget the role played by #ibm behind the scenes in the coup against #gnu and #fsf ... they're most effective when they work from the inside, via #redhat staff: http://techrights.org/2020/06/05/guix-petition/ [08:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Guix Petition Demographic Data, by Figosdev | Techrights [08:50] techrights-bot/fn Squash #fakepatents such as #swpats and get money in the process: "systems and methods of providing content to a terminal having a limited display area for presenting such content" https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/6/21/2000-awarded-for-411-wsou-prior-art [08:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | $2,000 Awarded for '411 WSOU prior art Unified Patents [08:51] techrights-bot/fn "a new Directorate for Technology and Innovation in the National Science Foundation [and] to establish a regional technology hub program." [08:51] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) [08:51] techrights-bot/fn "a new Directorate for Technology and Innovation in the National Science Foundation [and] to establish a regional technology hub program." https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/06/senate-passes-the-endless-frontier-act.html [08:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: Senate Passes the Endless Frontier Act [08:52] techrights-bot/fn Given the #ibm exodus and waves of layoffs I can see the relevance of such an article https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/6/it-careers-4-ways-recover-setback #redhat [08:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | IT careers: 4 ways to recover from a setback | The Enterprisers Project [08:52] *job has quit (connection closed) [08:53] techrights-bot/fn #ibm is in a freefall, so it has been reduced to just dropping all sorts of fluff and buzzwords... and truly ridiculous job titles that don't mean anything and cause people to be overworked, underpaid. https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/6/digital-transformation-10-ways-devops-helps [08:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | Digital transformation: 10 ways DevOps helps | The Enterprisers Project [08:54] techrights-bot/fn #RockyLinux 8.4 is out. https://download.rockylinux.org/pub/rocky/8/isos/x86_64/Rocky-8.4-x86_64-boot.iso [08:54] *TechrightsBot-tr has quit (connection closed) [08:54] *TechrightsBot-tr (~TR@ju4kayhrhsm6a.irc) has joined #techrights [08:54] TechrightsBot-tr Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 [08:55] techrights-bot/fn #Emmabunts DE4-rc1 now available for download. #debian #gnu #linux based. http://emmabuntus.org/ #emmabuntus [08:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-emmabuntus.org | Emmabunts Collectif pour le remploi des ordinateurs et distribution Linux base sur Debian [08:56] techrights-bot/fn "Nearly three months after CentOS replacement AlmaLinux reached it's first stable release, Rocky is ready to be a contender." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152518#comment-30017 [08:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rocky Linux 8.4 Released For RHEL 8.4 / CentOS Alternative | Tux Machines [08:59] techrights-bot/fn #gnu #linux a bloody hydra! You can try to overthrow leaders, kill communication platforms such as #freenode and engage in infiltration, coups, #bribery or takeovers like GitHub... and we just KEEP going because there are so many of us and communities are already to pick up the pieces when orgs fall (or get hijacked). They can't stop us. [08:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.50 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 39.78 swarm size (avg): 310.20 ● Jun 22 [09:00] techrights-bot/fn As if you could kill a dolphin by swallowing the ocean Marten Mickos, CEO of #MySQL (at the time). #oracle #gpl #freesw #mariadb [09:02] techrights-bot/fn "Microsoft's business strategy is copy the products others innovate, put them into Windows so they can't be unplugged, and then give it away for free." -Trump booster Larrison (Oracle's dictator) [09:02] techrights-bot/fn "Microsoft has innovated nothing. The thing I find most contemptible is Bill's lying, this thing about innovating. It makes me want to puke. That's innovation a la Rockefeller, not innovation a la Edison." -Trump booster Larrison (Oracle's dictator) [09:02] techrights-bot/fn "What Microsoft is doing is patently illegal. Think about it. If you want to build computers, you've got to ask Bill's permission. If Bill wanted to triple the price on Windows, what would you do? You'd pay, you wouldn't have any choice." -Trump booster Larrison (Oracle's dictator) [09:11] *job (~job@42cscff4sp33s.irc) has joined #techrights [09:25] immibis only if you want to put windows on your computers [09:25] immibis windows != computers [09:40] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #CounterPunch #Encryption Wither Encryption: What Operation Trojan Shield Reveals https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/21/wither-encryption-what-operation-trojan-shield-reveals/ [09:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Wither Encryption: What Operation Trojan Shield Reveals - CounterPunch.org [09:50] techrights-bot/fn The #Tories Are Lying and You Should Consider Going Into Lock-down Again (Irrespective of What the Government Says) http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/06/22/lock-down-again/ #uk #covid19 #coronavirus #manchester [09:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive The Tories Are Lying and You Should Consider Going Into Lock-down Again (Irrespective of What the Government Says) [09:51] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #CommonDreams #Surveillance #ACLU Alarm as #Amazon Activates Sidewalk Surveillance System https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/06/20/aclu-alarm-amazon-activates-sidewalk-surveillance-system [09:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | ACLU Alarm as Amazon Activates Sidewalk Surveillance System | Emiliano Falcon-Morano [09:56] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #CommonDreams #patent #patents #monopolies #hoarding The Response to the Pandemic Has Been Driven by Vaccine Nationalism https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/06/21/response-pandemic-has-been-driven-vaccine-nationalism [09:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | The Response to the Pandemic Has Been Driven by Vaccine Nationalism | Rajan Menon ● Jun 22 [10:07] techrights-bot/fn Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152545 [10:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [10:07] techrights-bot/fn 11 Best Free and Open Source #Email Servers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152546 #freesw [10:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 11 Best Free and Open Source Email Servers | Tux Machines [10:16] techrights-bot/fn Group F of Euro 2020 is a blunder. How do you pit 3 of Europe's best in one group? Oh, and #spain is in trouble... [10:57] XRevan86 > Moving from #freenode to #liberaChat is like moving from #centOS to #RHEL after #IBM showed its truly ugly face. The real solution is moving towards independence, be it self-hosting or community-led (REAL communities!) distros! [10:58] XRevan86 Uh, more like to Rocky Linux, except completely independent somehow. [10:58] XRevan86 What a strange analogy. [10:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.36 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 52.43 swarm size (avg): 310.16 ● Jun 22 [11:04] techrights-bot/fn NEWS #Techdirt #privacy DOJ Asks DC Court To Compel Decryption Of Device Seized In A Capitol Raid Case https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210619/16491447023/doj-asks-dc-court-to-compel-decryption-device-seized-capitol-raid-case.shtml [11:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DOJ Asks DC Court To Compel Decryption Of Device Seized In A Capitol Raid Case | Techdirt [11:06] schestowitz XRevan86: they are not independent [11:06] schestowitz I was thinking more like Gentoo [11:07] schestowitz MAYBE even Debian... maybe [11:07] schestowitz though companies poison that too since decades ago [11:08] XRevan86 schestowitz: CentOS and RHEL are IBM products, Rocky Linux is based on RHEL, i.e. an IBM product. Libera Chat is completely independent from freenode, Ltd. [11:10] immibis XRevan86: it makes sense if you believe IBM is the old freenode staff [11:10] immibis and that they lost their jobs because they tried to do cancel culture and andrew stood up to them [11:10] XRevan86 immibis: In that case RHEL and CentOS are free from IBM now? [11:13] MinceR XRevan86: libera is run by the same people who ran freenode [11:13] MinceR and some of them are the problem [11:14] XRevan86 How is that in any way like CentOS? [11:19] MinceR centos sucks in exactly the same way in which rHELL sucks [11:20] XRevan86 MinceR: And?\ [11:21] XRevan86 (except for the strings attached just to use RHEL) [11:21] MinceR and libera sucks in exactly the same way in which old freenode sucked [11:23] XRevan86 MinceR: Wouldn't an XMMS and Audacious analogy work much better? [11:23] XRevan86 except that XMMS wasn't taken over [11:24] MinceR no, because those are both pretty good [11:24] MinceR and free [11:25] XRevan86 CentOS was sold and then ruined, in that way Rocky Linux is a lot like Libera Chat, brought up by some former CentOS folk [11:26] techrights-bot/fn Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152547 [11:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [11:26] Ariadne [05:21] and libera sucks in exactly the same way in which old freenode sucked [11:26] Ariadne ehh [11:27] immibis Ariadne: it was run by cancel culture libtard SJWs, don't you see? [11:27] Ariadne a lot of freenode problems were driven by a vacuum of governance [11:27] Ariadne immibis: i do understand that framing but i dont think it is useful [11:28] immibis > i do understand that framing [11:28] immibis oh no, she's turning alt-right [11:28] Ariadne i meant the argument [11:28] schestowitz sometimes governance itself can be the cause of issues for some projects [11:29] schestowitz because not everyone wants to be bossed [11:29] Ariadne a lot of the lack of consistency in moderation of freenode was simply because freenode staff just did what they felt was right individually [11:29] schestowitz certainly not volunteers [11:29] schestowitz and they were put off by Lee's governnance [11:29] Ariadne libera has actual governance [11:29] Ariadne i think they deserve the benefit of the doubt [11:29] schestowitz yes, but... [11:29] Ariadne how they operate from what i see is quite a bit different than old freenode actually [11:29] schestowitz my analogy was imperfect, but I lacked a perfect parable [11:30] schestowitz because centos is owned by IBM [11:30] Ariadne christel was largely the person responsible for canceling random projects prior to lee [11:30] Ariadne she would literally show up [11:30] schestowitz funny you brought up governance [11:30] Ariadne and tell projects do XYZ or else [11:30] schestowitz as I was just bringing that up in "Neils Misgovernment" [11:30] Ariadne christel is gone [11:30] schestowitz it's like GNOME FOundation is governed by IBM, Google. Microsoft... [11:31] schestowitz the community plays no role [11:31] Ariadne the people who run libera are largely trustworthy [11:31] schestowitz no REAL role [11:31] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/gnome-foundation-mt-gox.jpg [11:31] Ariadne libera wants its community to play a real role [11:31] Ariadne they are working on mechanisms to enable that [11:31] XRevan86 Lee was given so much benefit of the doubt, and he didn't deserve it. [11:31] Ariadne freenode never wanted that [11:31] schestowitz they also ban parts of the community [11:31] schestowitz so it's biased towards a particular outcome [11:31] schestowitz not just alongside free sw [11:32] Ariadne what parts of the community have libera banned? [11:32] schestowitz there seems to be this intent: https://gist.github.com/joepie91/a50b72a8ca842944b40de3c2cdf776f6 [11:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gist.github.com | alt-right-bans.md GitHub [11:32] schestowitz now, I'm not defending alt reich, but... [11:32] Ariadne joepie91 is not a libera staffer [11:32] schestowitz it starts like this [11:33] schestowitz ok, good [11:33] schestowitz that he's not a staffer [11:33] Ariadne and hes entitled to ban whoever he wants on his channels [11:34] *XRevan86 wonders if freenode would've taken over his channels over this. [11:34] Ariadne i can tell you based on experience if you give alt-right people an inch they will take a lot more than an inch [11:34] Ariadne so, it is really best to not tolerate the behavior [11:35] Ariadne the alt right got their foot in pleromas door and that has largely been devastating to the project [11:35] psydroid CrystalMath, thank you for the heads-up, I am still on Freenode and will reply to the messages and e-mails [11:35] Ariadne funding and manpower lost [11:36] Ariadne the beauty of foss is [11:36] Ariadne the alt right can go fork my code and do whatever they want with it [11:36] Ariadne i dont have to tolerate them in my spaces [11:37] Ariadne but to let them into a space is to basically say trolling is fine [11:37] Ariadne and once you say that theres no rolling it back [11:37] techrights-bot/fn #IRC Proceedings: Monday, June 21, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/06/22/irc-log-210621/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/22/irc-log-210621/ [11:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Monday, June 21, 2021 | Techrights [11:38] techrights-bot/fn Neils Misgovernment http://techrights.org/2021/06/22/governance-of-governments/ #gnomefoundation #gnome #gnu #linux #freesw [11:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Neils Misgovernment | Techrights [11:39] XRevan86 Ariadne: I think the problem is that "alt-right ideology" is not as clearly defined as one may think, so when something like that is forbidden, one wonders if that means them. [11:40] gustaf thanks for the link Ariadne [11:40] XRevan86 like "I'm not a yes-man for all the trends on Twitter, does that mean I'm alt-right?" [11:40] gustaf good read [11:40] XRevan86 Irrespective of whether that view is correct, I think that's what people fear. [11:41] schestowitz which link? [11:41] Ariadne XRevan86: yes, this is why i explicitly say what my boundaries are [11:41] schestowitz insurrection is past the boundaries [11:42] schestowitz or people making jokes about running over "liberals" (they call that people who don't agree with them) [11:42] Ariadne for example, i'm not going to work with people who advance the ideological viewpoint that i should not have the right to live my life as i see fit [11:42] Ariadne and, i demonstrated that by leaving pleroma when they gave gleason commit access [11:43] Ariadne freedom of speech does not mean that people are obligated to continue their association with you after you say things that are fundamentally incompatible [11:44] schestowitz was a link sent in another channel? [11:44] XRevan86 gustaf: The IRC.com link? [11:44] XRevan86 I haven't checked, but I think the last link from Ariadne was https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/1407069024643686401 [11:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Dinnerbone: Did some snooping around this really weird https://t.co/ViENvUmy9i becoming https://t.co/3LFosH6tm7 thing. You can https://t.co/myLSGAhPdI [11:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> IRC.com [11:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> freenode.net | freenode [11:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Dinnerbone: Did some snooping around this really weird https://t.co/ViENvUmy9i becoming https://t.co/3LFosH6tm7 thing. You can https://t.co/myLSGAhPdI [11:45] Ariadne pocock, for example, had a legitimate grievance about FSFE. his pursuit of that grievance lead to a campaign of harassment against FSFE personnel, which lead to the Debian project leadership wanting him out of Debian. that was a consequence [11:45] schestowitz [00:04] https://twitter.com/Dinnerbone/status/1407069024643686401 [11:45] schestowitz ah, yes, XRevan86 beat Ariadne to it. VERY informative. [11:45] schestowitz I always threw that coffin in the water... [11:46] XRevan86 Ariadne posted it in the microblog before I saw it, but I got it from a different source :) [11:46] Ariadne his removal from Debian has lead to a campaign of harassment against debian developers [11:46] schestowitz microblogging does not scale well [11:46] schestowitz people think they get "the news" from it, but platform owners shape what people see [11:46] gustaf Ariadne: is there an unbiased account of the pocock situation ? [11:46] Ariadne uhh [11:47] schestowitz months ago he went way over some boundaries [11:47] Ariadne i mean, i'm not an FSFE member or debian developer [11:47] Ariadne and i'm not pocock [11:47] XRevan86 It's only cancel culture when "bad" people do it. [11:47] Ariadne so i would like to think my view is largely unbiased [11:47] Ariadne XRevan86: right, exactly, pocock used the same mobbing tactics as others [11:48] schestowitz he was a campaigner for indigenous people in au [11:48] Ariadne i don't really know what happened [11:48] gustaf ok [11:48] Ariadne i think he has a mental issue [11:48] gustaf maybe it's not important [11:48] Ariadne he went from pretty reasonable, to basically nuts [11:48] schestowitz but I think the more you silence and marginalise people, the more likely they are not return to civil discourse [11:48] Ariadne in about 6 months [11:48] schestowitz this is what sometimes drove Assange to some right-wing think tanks [11:48] Ariadne schestowitz: i agree, but at the same time, daniel was doxing people [11:49] schestowitz Ariadne: not in the earlier days [11:49] schestowitz 2017-2019 [11:49] Ariadne in the earlier days, he was impersonating people and sending them hate mail [11:49] schestowitz he highlighted google misuse of $ to control projects [11:49] Ariadne which is not really [11:49] schestowitz not just the FSFE issue [11:49] Ariadne an improvement [11:49] schestowitz he knew and saw as a mentor [11:49] Ariadne i'm aware of the GSoC incident [11:50] Ariadne however, he was mentoring his girlfriend [11:50] schestowitz btw, I was sent some home addresses of epo managers [11:50] Ariadne that is a significant conflict of interest [11:50] schestowitz obv. never published those [11:50] schestowitz in fact, one had a house fired, likely an accident, not arson [11:50] Ariadne you can't be the boss of somebody you're dating [11:50] schestowitz it can be 'funny'... until some nut uses the info to do something terrible [11:51] schestowitz that happened in debian [11:51] schestowitz this whole program is problematic imho [11:51] Ariadne (that said, i'm not really enthusiastic about the GSoC program in general. atheme participated three times, and we did not really like the attitude of Google or other orgs participating) [11:51] schestowitz also a canonical employee doing the same [11:51] schestowitz Google is getting more aggressive over time [11:51] schestowitz I find myself unable to sympathsise with Google on anything [11:52] schestowitz unlike, say, a decade ago [11:52] schestowitz when Microsoft attacked them by proxy [11:52] Ariadne well, i am unable to sympathise with daniel mentoring his girlfriend in GSoC [11:52] schestowitz now Google has x2 the market of Windows, depending on what's measured [11:52] gustaf the Verge has a hilarious link of all the different chat protocols and apps and services Google has spammed over the years [11:52] Ariadne he should have known that was a conflict of interest [11:52] schestowitz gustaf: yes, hard to keep track [11:52] schestowitz it's one thing they never managed to dominate [11:52] Ariadne but again, not a fan of GSoC anyway [11:52] Ariadne so don't really care [11:53] Ariadne just pointing out his version of events miss certain relevant details [11:53] schestowitz my personal opinion [11:53] schestowitz whicb is not a nice opinion [11:53] schestowitz interns are a time waste [11:53] XRevan86 Ariadne: That conflict of interest doesn't really harm anyone but themselves though. [11:53] Ariadne that was what atheme concluded [11:53] schestowitz most but not al gsoc projects are tons of effort poured out [11:53] schestowitz to produce some sub-par project or a little featurer [11:53] XRevan86 so if they think they can pull it off [11:53] XRevan86 on GSoC that is [11:53] gustaf Google IRC when ? ;) [11:54] schestowitz the interns ('students') rarely stay to contribute and improve more after the program [11:54] Ariadne XRevan86: well, they got busted, and thats why daniel was suspended from debian for 6 months [11:54] Ariadne XRevan86: so indeed, he harmed himself with that conflict of interest :p [11:54] Ariadne but GSoC is, as schestowitz notes, a giant waste of time imo [11:55] schestowitz I mean, look at the 'median' outcome [11:55] Ariadne most of the GSoC projects never got integrated into atheme projects [11:55] schestowitz some are outstanding [11:55] Ariadne because we had to rewrite them [11:55] schestowitz but most are like... 3 months... I added some widgets [11:55] schestowitz and mentors could use that same time to get a lot more done [11:55] Ariadne i had some success with audacious, but [11:55] XRevan86 Ariadne: Well, did he screw-up as a mentor? [11:55] Ariadne XRevan86: it was alleged that he was just passing his GF without actually doing anything [11:55] XRevan86 or was it a GSoC relating to Debian? [11:56] Ariadne XRevan86: yes, relating to debian [11:56] Ariadne XRevan86: so, somebody reported it to google, who hated him or whatever [11:56] Ariadne XRevan86: then google got pissed [11:56] schestowitz I never read or heard that story [11:56] schestowitz or, afaik, nobody documented it online [11:56] XRevan86 Ariadne: Right, that's not what I meant by "pull it off" :) [11:56] Ariadne XRevan86: and debian agreed to suspend him to appease google [11:56] Ariadne is basically [11:56] MinceR 22 123106 < Ariadne> the people who run libera are largely trustworthy [11:56] Ariadne what happened [11:56] schestowitz we also had people offering to be intern for us [11:56] schestowitz and at the end they did NOTHING [11:56] MinceR and what will the trustworthy people do to keep ibm's influence in check? [11:57] schestowitz we invested hours to help them contribute [11:57] MinceR or google's, or microsoft's [11:57] schestowitz in the add, ZERO contribution [11:57] XRevan86 Ariadne: Right, it all boils down to good faith, which he lacked. [11:57] Ariadne MinceR: i mean, i think self-hosting is better obviously [11:57] MinceR 22 123449 < Ariadne> so, it is really best to not tolerate the behavior [11:57] MinceR but cancel mobs should be tolerated? [11:57] Ariadne also not [11:57] Ariadne i do not think anyone should have to face mob harassment [11:57] XRevan86 We just discussed those [11:58] MinceR 22 124018 < XRevan86> like "I'm not a yes-man for all the trends on Twitter, does that mean I'm alt-right?" [11:58] MinceR don't worry, they'll shadowban you then :> [11:58] schestowitz I'd rather have al pacas doing governance [11:58] schestowitz humans are too emotional [11:58] schestowitz and... they LOVE money [11:58] Ariadne in fact, i wrote very powerful tools in IRC and pleroma to protect against mob harassment [11:58] Ariadne which is part of why pleroma got cancelled in the beginning [11:58] schestowitz twitter sells more ads with viral disinfo [11:59] XRevan86 MinceR: They won't. Unless ye mean Twitter, those can do whatever the heck they want. [11:59] schestowitz [08:07] "a problem as I see with centralized walled gardens pushing alt-right content on all their users, because that drives engagement. [...] onopolised, centralized social media is a monoculture where mind viruses can spread unchecked." https://mastodon.social/@rysiek/105579631849361233 [11:59] MinceR i did mean twitter [11:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | Rysiekr Memesson: "@allison@blob.cat @djsumdog@djsumdog.com monopoli" - Mastodon [11:59] MinceR where being critical of bill gates earns a shadowban [11:59] MinceR and the people who remain are shaped into a mob to attack people [11:59] schestowitz MinceR: no [11:59] schestowitz BAN [11:59] schestowitz not shadow ban [11:59] schestowitz they did it to me [11:59] MinceR :> ● Jun 22 [12:00] schestowitz and the following day to zoobab [12:00] MinceR i stand corrected [12:00] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/02/05/twitter-censorship-bingo/ [12:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Twitter Has Just Suspended the President of FFII for Naming Bill Gates Patent Profiteering and Factual Information About Twitter Censorship (Updated) | Techrights [12:00] Ariadne anyway, i do not think libera supports cancel mobs [12:00] schestowitz maybe not yet [12:00] XRevan86 MinceR: I didn't mean it in a sense of participation on Twitter in particular. [12:00] Ariadne maybe not ever [12:00] schestowitz people can change, staff can roll over [12:00] Ariadne most of the libera staff are the people *I* taught how to run things [12:00] schestowitz christel became a fake millionaire [12:00] schestowitz with millions in debt [12:01] Ariadne good for her [12:01] Ariadne she has nothing to do with libera [12:01] XRevan86 Libera Chat now needs to prove they're not a camel [12:01] schestowitz I mean, she was replaced by one [12:01] Ariadne several of the people involved in libera also worked with me on anti-harassment (e.g. anti-mobbing) tools in IRC [12:01] schestowitz I remember Propeller [12:02] Ariadne and in activitypub [12:02] schestowitz aka Netscape [12:02] schestowitz they employed for for 2 years [12:02] Ariadne so, [12:02] schestowitz then AOL mothballed the whole thing [12:02] schestowitz 2 months is nothibg [12:02] schestowitz 2 years... OK [12:02] schestowitz Freenode was 20+ [12:02] schestowitz Techrights 15 [12:02] MinceR some of the people running libera are members of a cancel mob [12:02] schestowitz TuxMachines 17 [12:02] schestowitz in web terms, that's a lot. Phoronix also lasted very long and still surviving [12:02] Ariadne schestowitz: i've known the people who are driving libera for 10+ years [12:02] Ariadne MinceR: who are they cancelling [12:03] schestowitz Ariadne: how many online users? [12:03] Ariadne signing a stupid fucking letter is not cancelling anyone [12:03] XRevan86 schestowitz: 40K [12:03] schestowitz XRevan86: no, I mean for 10 years [12:03] schestowitz oh, wait [12:03] schestowitz I read it wrong [12:03] schestowitz libera was newly-registered [12:03] schestowitz ? [12:03] Ariadne libera is new, but the people who started it aren't [12:03] schestowitz some people said it had not been registered or was under ddos [12:03] schestowitz ok, got it [12:04] MinceR Ariadne: the FSF board, including RMS [12:04] schestowitz they will face challenges [12:04] Ariadne libera was started by the part of freenode staff who came from atheme [12:04] Ariadne it is legit [12:04] schestowitz even in this small networks we have people railing with racist crap [12:04] XRevan86 schestowitz: They've already faced a lot of challenges. [12:04] Ariadne MinceR: how are they 'cancelling' the FSF board, including RMS? [12:04] XRevan86 Libera is not a new network in many respects. [12:04] MinceR Ariadne: via that letter you know about [12:04] MinceR schestowitz: you'll see more of that crap [12:04] XRevan86 in any sense but the literal :) [12:04] Ariadne MinceR: what else you got? [12:04] MinceR Ariadne: nothing, yet [12:05] XRevan86 freenode is a new network in any sense but the literal [12:05] Ariadne signing a letter is not joining a harassment mob [12:05] schestowitz XRevan86: true also [12:05] Ariadne you clearly have never been mobbed [12:05] schestowitz we need a new name for it, some say leeNode [12:05] schestowitz l0de :-) [12:05] schestowitz leel0de [12:05] schestowitz nenold ;-) [12:05] XRevan86 schestowitz: I might start calling the old freenode Libera retroactively :P [12:05] MinceR schestowitz: sounds like rasengan wants freenode to be a "conservative" network, libera and oftc are showing signs of being crybully networks [12:06] XRevan86 Why rename the new freenode when one can rename the old freenode [12:06] MinceR XRevan86: i might fail to understand you then :P [12:06] Ariadne anyway, i will admit that libera is not perfect, but i think it is less bad than old-freenode [12:06] schestowitz OldNode [12:07] XRevan86 The history of Libera begins in the year 1994, it was called the OpenProjects Network back then. [12:07] schestowitz are you saying "open source" predates 1998? :-p [12:07] MinceR :> [12:08] schestowitz Linux Foundation, a week ago, celebrated 30 years of "OpenSource" [12:08] XRevan86 just the "open" part [12:08] schestowitz so you need to explain to them OSI [12:08] schestowitz but then that involves the F word [12:08] schestowitz LF hates the F and G [12:09] Ariadne linux foundation deals with corporations [12:09] schestowitz XRevan86: the debian mailing list leaks (debian-private) show those terms predating OSI [12:09] MinceR since it kicked out non-corporate members, yes [12:09] Ariadne you can't expect their marketing team to use activist terms [12:09] XRevan86 oh, it's 1998 actually [12:09] schestowitz iow, nobody really coined it [12:09] XRevan86 I misread [12:09] schestowitz not Tim O of Christine or ESR or Perens [12:09] XRevan86 it began as linpeople in 1995, then it became OPN in 1998 [12:09] schestowitz they just formalised an existence buzzword [12:09] MinceR LF is its owners' lever for controlling Linux [12:09] XRevan86 then it became freenode in 2002 [12:09] XRevan86 and now Libera in 2021 :) [12:10] Ariadne it became freenode at the behest of the FSF btw [12:10] Ariadne lilo renamed the network to get the FSF on board [12:10] schestowitz MinceR: exactly [12:10] schestowitz not just Linux [12:10] schestowitz everything [12:10] schestowitz it's not about OS anymore, not even tech [12:10] Ariadne i mean, i can't deny that [12:10] XRevan86 Ariadne: That's an interesting detail. [12:10] schestowitz the jokes about Roche with "LINUX" detergents? Stay tuned... [12:11] schestowitz Maybe we have "LINUX FOUNDATION LICENSING" soon [12:11] schestowitz to join "LINUX FOUNDATION Research" [sic] [12:11] schestowitz they'll sell licenses to use Linux on garments, condom, toilet paper, brothels... [12:11] Ariadne the people who are doing research are all passionate about free software, would you like to talk to them? [12:11] schestowitz and then they'll gloat about how profitable Linux bcaame [12:12] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/05/31/linux-brand-killed-by-lf/ [12:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Has Killed the Linux Brand (in Pursuit of Short-Term Profits) | Techrights [12:12] XRevan86 Ariadne: Was there a wipe back then too? [12:12] Ariadne anyway, whatever [12:12] Ariadne this conversation has become unhinged and is going nowhere useful [12:12] XRevan86 or did they transition more gracefully to the new domain [12:12] schestowitz Ariadne: they are BRANDING people [12:12] Ariadne XRevan86: transition [12:12] schestowitz like Zemlin [12:12] Ariadne schestowitz: they are PAYING people [12:12] MinceR are they merely passionate about it on their CVs, or are they in ideological opposition to the corporations that own their employer? [12:12] schestowitz so I assume as enthusiastic as him.. with his 'i' things... [12:13] schestowitz Ariadne: they are, but they choose winners [12:13] Ariadne anyway, this conversation is, again, going to just be a stupid fight [12:13] Ariadne so [12:13] schestowitz based on their stakeholder [12:13] Ariadne i'm out [12:13] schestowitz inc. drone strike companies [12:13] schestowitz ok, laters :-) [12:13] Ariadne this is why i support leah's campaign to make the FSF actually do its job again [12:13] MinceR that would be nice [12:13] schestowitz I am too young to know [12:13] schestowitz I assume they started with basics of unix programs [12:13] schestowitz under gpl [12:14] schestowitz and that's all done [12:14] schestowitz now we have kitchen sinks [12:14] schestowitz kubernetes, systemd [12:14] schestowitz just to sell more stuff and build monopolies [12:14] schestowitz also python2, python3... [12:14] schestowitz php1-10 [12:14] Ariadne all of this technology should be incubated by stuff like FSF [12:14] Ariadne is the point [12:14] schestowitz if you code in bash, it'll still work 20 years from now [12:14] schestowitz on almost any system [12:15] Ariadne thats what my goal with alpine is, to build an evergreen OS [12:16] Ariadne the reason alpine went with non-GNU components is because under corporate tutelage, GNU components have largely become crap [12:16] schestowitz "These transitions take time, and there are only ~190 days before it needs to be done." [12:16] schestowitz http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152518#comment-30017 [12:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rocky Linux 8.4 Released For RHEL 8.4 / CentOS Alternative | Tux Machines [12:16] schestowitz he left Fedora infra months ago [12:16] schestowitz I worry about keeping things running longterm [12:17] schestowitz few people think about it, they pick shiny things like Google frameworks [12:17] schestowitz which change every few years [12:17] MinceR i wouldn't worry about systemd/Linux systems then :> [12:17] *mib_hqqgsq (~579e88a5@kjvq8jm9s83qu.irc) has joined #techrights [12:17] schestowitz MinceR: our hv lacks system [12:17] schestowitz systemd [12:17] Ariadne systemd is the ultimate example of what i mean by said corporate tutelage [12:17] schestowitz and runs OK [12:17] MinceR good [12:17] Ariadne yes, techrights has been slowly migrating to alpine [12:18] Ariadne one container at a time [12:18] schestowitz I agree php and mysql compat might be tricky for some CMS bits [12:18] schestowitz Drupal upgrades are notorious for compatibility reasons [12:18] Ariadne well we need entire new CMS thing anyway [12:19] Ariadne something that can do both web and gemini [12:19] schestowitz in the long run [12:19] Ariadne anyway [12:19] Ariadne i already have enough mountains of technical debt [12:19] Ariadne to deal with [12:19] schestowitz move fast [12:19] schestowitz break everything [12:19] Ariadne yeah that worked great for andrew [12:19] schestowitz that's what's hip now [12:20] *mib_hqqgsq has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [12:20] *mib_hqqgsq (~579e88a5@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [12:20] schestowitz maybe it was always like that [12:20] schestowitz But I'm in my 30s and started programming around 15 [12:20] schestowitz it's easy to run old pascal programs [12:20] schestowitz than something from just 10 years ago made with php [12:21] schestowitz php+kitchen sink [12:21] schestowitz I still run php-nuke http://schestowitz.com/Vision/ [12:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | The Computer Vision Digest [12:21] MinceR he learned it from rust? [12:21] schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/MARS/ [12:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | MARS - Models of Appearance, Registration and Segmentation [12:21] schestowitz MinceR: RMS says fork it [12:21] schestowitz "Crust" [12:22] *mib_hqqgsq has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [12:22] schestowitz and make something less erratic [12:22] schestowitz without the trademark issues [12:22] MinceR and then try to keep up with an erratically churning upstream, either holding on to a half-baked design, or being erratic itself [12:23] MinceR though i suppose they could keep stable versions and group the big changes for the next release [12:23] XRevan86 Ariadne: I wonder what his next move is [12:23] Ariadne who cares [12:23] schestowitz MinceR: no, it could work [12:23] MinceR and mark language version in the source code files somehow [12:23] Ariadne maybe he will staff up weev [12:23] schestowitz you have stuff that's advertised as Crust-compatible [12:24] schestowitz and always sticking to that, like an LTS [12:24] XRevan86 Ariadne: I know one person that does %) [12:24] MinceR XRevan86: Andrew? :> [12:24] schestowitz Andrew Weeb [12:24] schestowitz Weev [12:24] XRevan86 MinceR: No, his name starts with a sch [12:25] *schestowitz looks away [12:25] XRevan86 :D [12:25] schestowitz Aurenheimer iirc [12:25] schestowitz he used to try to chat me up [12:25] schestowitz in twitter [12:25] schestowitz twitter tolerated him for very long [12:25] XRevan86 Still dependent on freenode. [12:26] schestowitz https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/21/22543428/twitch-bans-amouranth-indiefoxx-sexually-suggestive-asmr [12:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Twitch bans two top creators in struggle with sexually suggestive streams - The Verge [12:26] XRevan86 To be fair, I'm also invested, but it's more like a movie to me. [12:26] XRevan86 I don't have a stake in the outcome. [12:27] XRevan86 except that if it breaks the bridge again, it'll be a headache again [12:28] Ariadne an example of what i mean by GNU software being crap [12:28] Ariadne https://security.alpinelinux.org/vuln/CVE-2019-20633 [12:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 406 @ https://security.alpinelinux.org/vuln/CVE-2019-20633 ) [12:28] Ariadne this has not been fixed in 2 years [12:28] schestowitz denial of service [12:29] schestowitz given a specific file [12:29] Ariadne DoS is a dumb way of saying it crashes [12:29] Ariadne the point is [12:29] Ariadne crash bug reported [12:29] Ariadne not fixed [12:29] Ariadne not even acknowledged [12:29] XRevan86 patch isn't exactly a service [12:29] schestowitz what privs needed to crash it [12:29] schestowitz can it be crashed remotely over an open port? [12:29] Ariadne ignore the security part [12:29] Ariadne its not a security bug [12:30] XRevan86 schestowitz: ability to make a file and then give it to patch [12:30] Ariadne its a crash bug [12:30] Ariadne some dumbass CVE chaser got a CVE for it [12:30] Ariadne which is a problem in and of itself [12:30] XRevan86 Ariadne: Why is that a problem? [12:30] schestowitz I worry about the NSA back doors in things like iOS and Windows... Android also [12:30] Ariadne schestowitz: i didn't say use those, now did i? [12:30] schestowitz they're a high priority issue, usually the media overlooks all that [12:31] schestowitz not whataboutism [12:31] Ariadne the reason why i support leah's savegnu thing [12:31] Ariadne is because [12:31] Ariadne she wants to solve *this* [12:31] schestowitz a matter of priority, all programs are imperfect [12:31] schestowitz even mine [12:31] Ariadne yes, but unfixed bug [12:31] Ariadne for 2 years [12:31] Ariadne because nobody is actually maintaining patch anymore [12:31] Ariadne is my point [12:31] schestowitz did someone offer a patch? [12:31] Ariadne somebody (me) is about to [12:32] schestowitz :-) [12:32] Ariadne just to make that go away from my tracker [12:32] schestowitz I still wait for mozilla to fix thunderbird pgp [12:32] schestowitz because I cannot encrypt messages to some people [12:32] Ariadne but for example [12:32] schestowitz they broke it months ago [12:32] Ariadne i've already switched from GNU make [12:32] Ariadne to remake (a fork) [12:32] Ariadne because GNU make maintainer is AWOL [12:32] schestowitz and then we could not even access their bug tracker to report this [12:32] Ariadne and remake's maintainer is not [12:33] schestowitz is patch used over the web in web interfaces? [12:33] Ariadne dunno [12:33] Ariadne diff is [12:33] schestowitz if not, it's a bit like "doctor, it hurts when I do this." "Then stop doing this" [12:33] Ariadne well, its not [12:34] Ariadne if a valid patch file can crash patch, it is a bug and it should be fixed [12:34] Ariadne and the reproducer is valid [12:34] Ariadne context diffs are a crime against humanity tho [12:34] immibis schestowitz: everything is used over the web until proven otherwise [12:35] schestowitz or the dog barks [12:35] XRevan86 Ariadne: remake doesn't look particularly alive. [12:35] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/10/04/internet-rabid-dogs/ [12:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | On the Internet, Nobody Knows Youre a Dog Until You Bark | Techrights [12:35] immibis i wonder if bringing it up with the wider GNU project instead of just the patch maintainer would help? [12:35] schestowitz if no maintainer exists, it can be forked [12:36] schestowitz and the fork might even overtake the original :-) [12:36] schestowitz sourceSITE.org/PatchPatche [12:36] schestowitz sourceSITE.org/PatchPatcheD [12:36] schestowitz patch systemd-patchd [12:36] schestowitz which patch [12:37] XRevan86 Ariadne: There's a lot more activity going in GNU make [12:37] schestowitz /usr/bin/patch [12:37] Ariadne XRevan86: well, thats a recent development [12:37] immibis schestowitz: it's even better to become the maintainer. Far less overhead [12:37] immibis in cases where the project is part of a larger project which is still staffed, they may just replace the maintainer position [12:38] schestowitz or add one [12:38] schestowitz maybe someone has an ordeal like divorce or lost parent or fiancial crisis [12:38] immibis that way there is continuity - downstream users don't need to actively switch [12:38] schestowitz and can resume at a later point [12:41] *Ariadne researches this damn CVE [12:41] Ariadne can't reproduce on alpine [12:42] XRevan86 > 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file foo.rej [12:42] XRevan86 > patch: **** replacement text or line numbers mangled in hunk at line 41 [12:44] XRevan86 as patch -Rf it doesn't crash eithre [12:44] Ariadne hmm, did get it to reproduce finally [12:44] XRevan86 Ariadne: how? [12:45] gustaf is "alis" a module or a separate service or what? [12:45] Ariadne patch -Rf < PoC_df [12:45] XRevan86 Ariadne: That doesn't crash for me. [12:45] Ariadne No file to patch. Skipping patch. [12:45] Ariadne Segmentation fault [12:45] Ariadne crashes here [12:46] Ariadne yes, double free [12:46] XRevan86 Ariadne: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/b1eb2984 [12:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paste.debian.net | Debian Pastezone [12:48] XRevan86 https://build.opensuse.org/package/view_file/devel:tools/patch/fix-segfault-mangled-rename.patch?expand=1 could this be it [12:48] Ariadne yes, i think debian has a mitigation for it already [12:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-build.opensuse.org | File fix-segfault-mangled-rename.patch of Package patch - openSUSE Build Service [12:48] Ariadne oh, suse [12:48] Ariadne no [12:48] Ariadne thats from 2018 [12:49] XRevan86 The other patches are marked "ed-style" [12:49] XRevan86 and are similiarly old [12:50] gustaf patch is dark magic [12:50] gustaf from the depths of Larry Wall's twisted brain [12:50] XRevan86 I don't know why it works. [12:51] *mib_hqqgsq (~579e88a5@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [12:54] Ariadne parse-datetime.tab.c:646:10: fatal error: parse-datetime.tab.h: No such file or directory [12:54] Ariadne quality code [12:55] *Ariadne figures it out using patch-2.7.6 [12:57] XRevan86 It does reproduce. [12:58] XRevan86 it doesn't crash, but it does have an invalid free [12:58] *mib_hqqgsq has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [12:58] techrights-bot/fn ::// [12:59] techrights-bot/fn Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152552 [12:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [12:59] techrights-bot/fn Videos/Audio: Late Night Linux, Destination Linux, and Debian 10.10 LXQt http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152551 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [12:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Videos/Audio: Late Night Linux, Destination Linux, and Debian 10.10 LXQt | Tux Machines [12:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 30.33 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 51.93 swarm size (avg): 310.06 ● Jun 22 [13:00] techrights-bot/fn #IBM / #RedHat Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152550 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines [13:00] techrights-bot/fn #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152549 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [13:01] techrights-bot/fn #ProprietarySoftware and Security Leftovers ://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152548 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:01] XRevan86 Ariadne: I can check on Debian [13:01] techrights-bot/fn Links 21/6/2021: NVIDIAs DLSS and Most Beautiful GNU/Linux Distributions http://techrights.org/2021/06/22/nvidia-dlss/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/22/nvidia-dlss/ [13:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 21/6/2021: NVIDIAs DLSS and Most Beautiful GNU/Linux Distributions | Techrights [13:02] Ariadne im working on it [13:02] Ariadne i think i figured it out [13:02] XRevan86 Ariadne: It's fixed on Debian [13:03] XRevan86 > definitely lost: 0 bytes in 0 blocks [13:03] XRevan86 > ERROR SUMMARY: 0 errors from 0 contexts [13:06] Ariadne XRevan86: which patch version is that [13:06] Ariadne 2.7.6-7? [13:06] XRevan86 2.7.6-7, yes [13:07] *job has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:07] gustaf how many patches would patch accept if patch accepted patches? [13:11] immibis how many gnus would a gnu patch patch if a gnu patch could patch gnus? [13:11] *mjg59 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:11] *mjg59_ (~mjg59@ajm54sra9b86c.irc) has joined #techrights [13:11] Ariadne thats still broken in RHEL [13:12] Ariadne so much for RHEL being 'best at patching' [13:12] *job (~job@42cscff4sp33s.irc) has joined #techrights [13:12] XRevan86 2.7.6-3+deb10u1 is fixed as well [13:13] XRevan86 that should narrow it down [13:14] XRevan86 https://sources.debian.org/src/patch/2.7.6-3+deb10u1/debian/patches/ not as many as 2.7.6-7 has. [13:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sources.debian.org | Folder: patches | Debian Sources [13:15] Ariadne https://twitter.com/ariadneconill/status/1407311083858190346 [13:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ariadneconill: @CVEannounce CVE-2019-20633 is mitigated by https://t.co/52dSQcaqyP [13:15] Ariadne i figured it out [13:15] Ariadne :p [13:15] Ariadne the thing that was tripping me up is [13:15] *job has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:15] Ariadne the person who filed for the CVE claimed that a commit *after* that was vuln [13:15] Ariadne but i cannot reproduce [13:16] Ariadne and backporting that commit i linked fixes it in alpine's package [13:16] Ariadne sooooo [13:16] XRevan86 Ariadne: Ye checked with valgrind, right? [13:16] Ariadne yes [13:16] Ariadne btw [13:16] Ariadne still not fixed in RHEL [13:16] Ariadne haha [13:16] Ariadne just going to point that out [13:17] XRevan86 Ariadne: 2.7.6-3+deb10u1 doesn't have that mitigation [13:17] Ariadne its the right one [13:17] XRevan86 How does it work though? [13:18] XRevan86 Many different patches break the reproducer in different ways? [13:18] Ariadne p_end wasn't being properly bounds-checked [13:19] Ariadne i checked with some fprintf() debugging [13:19] Ariadne anyway, this is way too on-topic for #techrights [13:19] Ariadne blah blah blah cancel culture [13:19] Ariadne linux foundation does not sell tux plushies [13:19] XRevan86 https://smbc-comics.com/comic/the-end [13:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - The End [13:19] Ariadne a conspiracy at the highest level [13:20] Ariadne i think GNU patch is an eldritch horror though [13:20] Ariadne somebody should rewrite it [13:20] Ariadne to be uhh [13:20] Ariadne not larry wall code [13:21] XRevan86 Maybe someone already did, but the word "patch" is unsearchable [13:21] Ariadne :D [13:22] Ariadne but don't worry, the FSF will run some marketing campaign about how if you play the Windows 7 DVD backwards in a DVD player, it will tell you all the secrets bill gates doesn't want you to know [13:22] Ariadne or something [13:22] Ariadne instead of paying people [13:22] Ariadne to rewrite GNU software [13:22] Ariadne so it is to modern standards [13:23] Ariadne imagine an FSF that pays for the production of free software [13:23] XRevan86 Is Savannah as GitLab actually going to be a thing? [13:23] Ariadne i mean, that seems like a good idea [13:23] XRevan86 Savannah is horrible, so definitely [13:25] XRevan86 That will make contributing to GNU projects more friendly. [13:25] Ariadne indeed [13:25] Ariadne though you still have to FAX [13:25] Ariadne yes, FAX [13:25] Ariadne the copyright assignment agreement [13:26] Ariadne so, they need to do something there too [13:26] Ariadne (you can also print it out and send it snail mail to FSF) [13:26] gustaf that could be some dumb lawyer thing, state-specific [13:26] Ariadne nah [13:26] Ariadne massachusetts doesn't require that [13:26] Ariadne it can be e-signed [13:26] gustaf ok good to know [13:27] *job (~job@42cscff4sp33s.irc) has joined #techrights [13:27] Ariadne i weep every time i hear about fax machines still being in use in 2021 [13:27] gustaf did Wall write patch before or after Perl [13:27] gustaf or concurrently [13:27] Ariadne concurrently i think [13:27] XRevan86 Every other project allows stating the CLA intent in the merge request and be done with it. [13:32] XRevan86 https://oca.opensource.oracle.com/ and I assume Oracle's lawyers know what they're doing when people sign a CLA on a website. [13:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-oca.opensource.oracle.com | Oracle Contributor Agreement [13:41] *sepsinn has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.2) ● Jun 22 [14:35] *sepsinn (~sepsinn@c9nu4ummhfn7e.irc) has joined #techrights [14:58] kingoffrance XRevan86, you're too kind, it means oracle's lawyers dont see any money in fax machines :) [14:58] kingoffrance the second that changes, 180 :) [14:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 31.55 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 75.88 swarm size (avg): 309.78 ● Jun 22 [15:03] schestowitz [13:19] linux foundation does not sell tux plushies [15:03] schestowitz I think maybe it did similar to that [15:04] schestowitz [13:23] imagine an FSF that pays for the production of free software [15:04] schestowitz LF barely pays for Linux development [15:04] schestowitz it pays very few kernel hackers [15:04] schestowitz kernel coders are paid by some of the same companies that pay to work on GNU [15:06] schestowitz about fax machines, I was surprised I still had to use one around 2005 for IEEE copyright stuff [15:06] schestowitz 16 years later FSF still uses that [15:06] schestowitz remember when modems was still sold as fax stuff? [15:08] techrights-bot/fn Qt for Android Automotive tech preview released https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-for-android-automotive-released #qt is #ProprietarySoftware now... and it targets platforms accordingly [15:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.qt.io | Qt for Android Automotive tech preview released [15:09] Techrights-sec One is inclined to see the journalists under assault from the government as crucial to democracy, like the last remaining tamari [15:09] Techrights-sec nd leaf was to Prem Rani. These journalists speak for all the troubled features of Indias democracy that Mr Modi didnt tell th [15:09] Techrights-sec e G7 about. "" [15:09] Techrights-sec https://www.dawn.com/news/1630818/story-of-the-last-tamarind-leaf [15:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Story of the last tamarind leaf - Newspaper - DAWN.COM [15:11] techrights-bot/fn "Well, Epic Games don't support Linux with their official client or with the games on the service even if they have a Linux build elsewhere." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/heroic-games-launcher-for-epic-games-sees-a-small-bug-fix-release-ahead-of-the-big-1-8 #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/22/#latest [15:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Heroic Games Launcher for Epic Games sees a small bug fix release ahead of the big 1.8 | GamingOnLinux [15:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [15:12] kingoffrance i thought all-in-one printers still do fax? but i think there are websites too [15:14] techrights-bot/fn #apple is so crap it's just imitating others decades late https://beebom.com/how-get-macos-monterey-universal-control-feature-windows-linux/ [15:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to Get macOS Monterey Universal Control Feature on Windows and Linux | Beebom [15:14] kingoffrance in a parallel universe where i had to have a fax, i would prefer a modem, assuming it was documented, so i could script it/etc. [15:16] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [15:16] activelow kingoffrance: for fun i ordered some 56K usb modem dongles on amazon, had no time yet to check this and write a howto [15:17] activelow could be interesting too reviewing bitmap printing with epson-type matrix plotters [15:17] activelow cannot catch up anymore [15:18] techrights-bot/fn 15 things to do after installing #MXLinux | FOSS Linux https://www.fosslinux.com/47527/things-to-do-after-installing-mx-linux.htm #fosslinux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/22/#latest [15:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslinux.com | 15 things to do after installing MX Linux | FOSS Linux [15:19] immibis Ariadne: there is a lot to be said about not rewriting working software. You'll put all the bugs back in and they'll have to be ironed out again [15:19] immibis refactoring is fine [15:20] activelow was even thinking to revitalize some ax25 hobby project, to see if some of this could make it over the air, with a fully opensource soft-modem implementation maybe [15:22] MinceR 22 142229 < Ariadne> but don't worry, the FSF will run some marketing campaign about how if you play the Windows 7 DVD backwards in a DVD player, it will tell you all the secrets bill gates doesn't want you to know [15:22] kingoffrance well i dont know anything but fax, dont think ive ever even sent one except through some web site; however, "ui-wise" 1) press buttons on tiny lcd screen on all-in-one printer (or cell phone, or some janky web interface) 2) website, here today gone tomorrow 3) write scripts i can make do whatever i would prefer 3 [15:22] gustaf I worked with a ham [15:22] MinceR https://cdn.boldomatic.com/content/post/xWvgOw/People-say-that-if-you-play-Microsoft-CD-s-backwar [15:22] gustaf told me about ax25 [15:23] techrights-bot/fn #ibm #redhat : let's replace #gnu with some crap from #ProprietarySoftware #microsoft repo https://opensource.com/article/21/6/dust-linux [15:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Replace du with dust on Linux | Opensource.com [15:23] kingoffrance s/but/aboot/ [15:24] activelow kingoffrance: of i have to review this again, was a long time ago, in the middle in between 56KBaud was replaced with the glorious ISDN 64KBaud [15:24] activelow in any case 56K modems are interesting since these implemented some modern modulation already, for educational purpose [15:25] activelow even older Modem stuff is, 56K was rather modern already, although forgotten [15:26] activelow since most WiFi/UMTS chips are proprietary, with 56K some relevant parts are documented [15:26] activelow which is i might add good enough to learn and play with [15:26] kingoffrance and i guess the fancy printer is going to print magic watermark dots so "uncoupled" to other things is perhaps better odds of not getting magic watermark dots :) [15:28] techrights-bot/fn #RockyLinux is Finally Ready as a CentOS Replacement http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152518#comment-30018 [15:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rocky Linux 8.4 Released For RHEL 8.4 / CentOS Alternative | Tux Machines [15:28] techrights-bot/fn 15 things to do after installing #MXLinux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152553 #gnu #linux [15:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 15 things to do after installing MX Linux | Tux Machines [15:29] techrights-bot/fn #FreeBSD 13.0 vs. #DragonFlyBSD 6.0 vs. Linux On #AMD #EPYC 7003 Series "Milan" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152554 [15:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD 13.0 vs. DragonFlyBSD 6.0 vs. Linux On AMD EPYC 7003 Series "Milan" | Tux Machines [15:31] activelow anyway, i am still surprised gnu/fsf is entangled with Microsoft, didn't know that [15:32] techrights-bot/fn #SiFive launches Cortex-A75 like #RISCV core debuting on Intel dev kit http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152556 [15:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SiFive launches Cortex-A75 like RISC-V core debuting on Intel dev kit | Tux Machines [15:32] activelow gnome, i meant to say [15:33] activelow didn't know rust-foundation was microsoft too [15:34] activelow a professor at Telecom university had warned us, mentioning microsoft seeked to take control over the internet and telco too, 20 years ago [15:34] activelow he wouldn't take seat in an aircraft anymore once microsoft provided software for this business too, wouldn't disagree with that [15:36] techrights-bot/fn Shame on #zdnet writing about the utter and complete failure of #microsoft in mobile but instead spinning that are a #marketing / sales pitch. Selling failed products at a loss. Link omitted. #boycottZDNet http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/ZDNet [15:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet - Techrights [15:37] *CrystalMath (~coderain@bx6snpimy2abk.irc) has joined #techrights [15:37] activelow they weren't happy with telco management 20 years ago already, didn't dare to question any of this [15:38] activelow it is noteworthy too this entire telco is strongly entangled with politics, their headquarters placed right beside each other [15:39] techrights-bot/fn ... and over at #ubuntupit they nowadays cover things that are not #ubuntu ... and not even #gnu #linux or #freesw ... just a bunch of #proprietarySoftware nonsense. Kamrul Hasan et al, you used to do better... [15:42] activelow wasn't it Telco were Unix originated? [15:43] techrights-bot/fn #GNU #Linux distro #Garuda 210621 is out. https://forum.garudalinux.org/c/announcements/16 [15:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forum.garudalinux.org | Announcements - Garuda Linux Forum [15:43] gustaf Bell Labs yeah but they did a lot of general research [15:43] activelow and i see AT&T is headquartered in Texas, next to Texas Instruments, yet i failed to comprehend the tooling provided by TI to play with embedded things, it's vendor-locked onto Microsoft now [15:43] gustaf AT&T inherited the code [15:44] gustaf isn't AT&T owned by a former Baby Bell [15:45] activelow German Telco has an interesting history too, in particular east-germans (portrayed as "uncompetitive" and such) [15:45] schestowitz Baby? [15:46] gustaf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Bell_Operating_Company [15:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Regional Bell Operating Company - Wikipedia [15:46] gustaf ``Currently, three companies have the RBOCs as predecessors: AT&T, Verizon, and Lumen Technologies.'' [15:47] gustaf why do I know this shit [15:47] gustaf so useless [15:47] MinceR :) [15:47] activelow with Telco R&D and operation must be distinguished too [15:47] activelow and management [15:47] psymin gustaf, not useless :) [15:47] MinceR well, it seems to have something to do with the history of Unix, so not useless [15:48] gustaf at least in Sweden there were revolving doors between the local POTS monopoly and Ericsson [15:48] gustaf but it's a small country [15:48] techrights-bot/fn "I often use the GNU Emacs editor to write the source code" but I also signed a defamatory petition to remove the coder of GNU Emacs from the FSF! (Which he founded) https://opensource.com/article/21/6/freemacs #FreeSW #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux [15:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Edit text like Emacs in FreeDOS | Opensource.com [15:50] gustaf I was in Ericsson's testing lab on 9/11 [15:50] gustaf one of the weirdest days of my life [15:50] techrights-bot/fn Is #ibm faking a community using 'swag'? https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/mindshare-committee-f2f-readout/ soft bribes... http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/jono-bacon-works-for-microsoft/ [15:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | Mindshare Committee F2F Readout Fedora Community Blog [15:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Jono Bacon Works for Microsoft | Techrights [15:51] techrights-bot/fn "The new version of command-line admin tool for observing and troubleshooting #Postgres #pgCenter , has been released." https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/upgrade-pgcenter-090-2243/ [15:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.postgresql.org | PostgreSQL: Upgrade: pgCenter 0.9.0 [15:52] *job has quit (connection closed) [15:54] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [15:56] schestowitz freenode down [15:56] lightbringer/fn is it? [15:56] schestowitz for one client of mine (konversation) [15:57] schestowitz [15:57] [Error] Connection to server capelle.freenode.net (port 6697) lost: The remote host closed the connection. [15:58] schestowitz * asusbox2 has quit (Z-lined) [15:58] schestowitz * rianne__ has quit (Z-lined) [15:58] schestowitz * liberty_box_ (~liberty@freenode-rvr.17c.k31cok.IP) has joined #techrights [15:58] schestowitz * schestowitz has quit (Z-lined) [15:58] schestowitz * rianne has quit (Z-lined) [15:58] MinceR classy [15:58] schestowitz * liberty_box_ has quit (Z-lined) [15:58] schestowitz * liberty_box has quit (Z-lined) [15:58] schestowitz very reliable [15:58] schestowitz "welcome to my world!" [15:58] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@29nn9d3vzyvwk.irc) has joined #techrights [15:58] MinceR did you even say anything with those clients? ● Jun 22 [16:01] DaemonFC schestowitz, Lake County, Illinois ditched Windows Server [16:01] techrights-bot/fn 5 Best Linux Video Players on Which You Can Rely on http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152557 #gnu #liux [16:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 Best Linux Video Players on Which You Can Rely on | Tux Machines [16:02] schestowitz DaemonFC: good [16:02] DaemonFC I noticed that all of the pages stopped being served up as ASP or whatever. [16:02] DaemonFC They've switched to an apache web server and the documents end in xhtml now. [16:03] DaemonFC They want me to go to court over Zoom. [16:03] DaemonFC But there's an option to dial into the trial by a regular phone call. [16:03] DaemonFC I'll probably just use Zoom. I don't want to screw up here. [16:04] DaemonFC The insurance company mom has decided to go to remote work permanently and get rid of the offices. [16:05] DaemonFC This empty office space is just going to stay empty for the most part. [16:07] activelow the real sad story is with "privatized" Telco i couldn't at least receive BBC radio or radio moscow anymore with DAB+ in germany [16:08] activelow it was a common competition in east germany who could errect the biggest antenna on his roof to illegally receive radio stations from the "class enemy" [16:08] techrights-bot/fn Is #germany so unhappy with corrupt #epo that it prepares this fallback (for when EPO collapses because of its crimes)? https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/german-parliament-adopts-patent-act-1849223/ [16:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-German Parliament Adopts Patent Act Amendment | Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe LLP - JDSupra [16:09] techrights-bot/fn #patent maximalists never liked the ability to throw out fake #patents https://www.iam-media.com/law-policy/speed-of-chinese-patent-invalidations-poses-challenges [16:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | China's high-speed validity trials can be hard to keep up with | IAM [16:11] activelow with a typical analog radio schematics were provided, to solder and repair the equipment, and remove some bandpass filters [16:11] techrights-bot/fn Corrupt EPO management pushing some propaganda for its kangaroo court, EBA, which is nothing more than a rubberstamping tool of dictators who do illegal things and crave the veneer of judges https://www.epo.org/news-events/news/2021/20210622.html see http://techrights.org/2021/05/26/outline-g121-and-beyond/ [16:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - Press Communiqu of 22 June 2021 on decision G 4/19 of the Enlarged Board of Appeal [16:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Outline of Recent EPO Series: Kangaroo Courts, German Government Complicity, and Gross Privacy Violations by Unaccountable Officials | Techrights [16:13] schestowitz I never had such issues with freenode until a week ago [16:13] schestowitz now they arbitrarily z-line legit connections [16:13] MinceR schestowitz: did those clients say anything? [16:13] schestowitz each week they try to outdo themselves with a 30-day diet pan [16:13] schestowitz *plan [16:13] schestowitz maybe below 10k online users by month's end [16:14] schestowitz MinceR: I closed that after failing again with another hostname [16:14] MinceR just as apple presented a thinner, lighter CEO, freenode itself is also becoming a thinner, lighter IRC network [16:14] DaemonFC There were some big IRC networks that now have a couple hundred users left. [16:15] schestowitz we need more networks [16:15] schestowitz not more big networks [16:15] DaemonFC I hope the author of mIRC invested that royalty money well because it's got to be a dwindling revenue stream. [16:15] schestowitz BTW, re fedivrse [16:16] schestowitz too many users still in very few and very large fediverse-compatible islands [16:16] DaemonFC XChat got abandoned, probably for the same reason. [16:16] schestowitz mastodon.social is one of them, iirc [16:16] DaemonFC IRC usage shrinking and people either patching out the shareware enforcer or using an unofficial Windows build. [16:16] CrystalMath MinceR: tbh InspIRCd is causing some issues for some people [16:16] CrystalMath i know someone who can't connect anymore because of it [16:17] schestowitz yes, that's me [16:17] schestowitz I struggled a lot [16:17] CrystalMath but he's trying [16:17] schestowitz had to hardcode IPs and hostnames sometimes, just to get in [16:17] CrystalMath some of my friends are making a gateway proxy [16:17] CrystalMath his IRC client crashes on inspircd [16:17] CrystalMath can't join freenode nor LunarIRC [16:17] DaemonFC The Linux build didn't cost anything, so the $29 shareware fee for the Windows build was basically subsidizing the rest. [16:17] schestowitz the best IRC network for self-harm is one that denies access :-) [16:17] CrystalMath schestowitz: so right now we talk on EFNet [16:18] schestowitz clap clap to PIA team [16:18] DaemonFC It got increasingly difficult to justify the $29 for the Windows build because by the end it was mostly just a stripped down GTK and custom mojis or something. The clones even had spell check. [16:18] schestowitz I wonder how many cancellations PIA processed amid this freenode scandal [16:18] CrystalMath cancellations? [16:18] schestowitz VPNs [16:19] CrystalMath ah [16:19] schestowitz if they handle VPN stuff like they do IRC... [16:19] MinceR CrystalMath: maybe they shouldn't have switched to it then [16:19] DaemonFC schestowitz, I'm less concerned with the Freenode thing and more concerned with "US" servers ending up actually being in Chile and small island nations. [16:19] schestowitz what are the hostnames of freenode right now? [16:19] DaemonFC Why would they be shutting down US servers unless they thought there were about to be legal problems in the US? [16:20] DaemonFC I mean, with PIA. [16:20] CrystalMath MinceR: eh, even the 100-strong LunarIRC won't change their ircd because of some proprietary ancient IRC client [16:20] schestowitz DaemonFC: maybe they ALREADY have [16:20] schestowitz but no canary [16:20] schestowitz they did this in HK IIRC [16:20] schestowitz pulled out servers out of there [16:20] schestowitz months ago [16:20] CrystalMath MinceR: i understand that, tbh [16:20] schestowitz maybe they just shrink :-) [16:20] DaemonFC Well, the Chicago server is still in Illinois. [16:20] schestowitz and it's cheaper to maintain servers in CHile [16:20] CrystalMath there's nothing wrong with InspIRCd [16:20] DaemonFC But they replaced US West and US East. [16:21] activelow most servers were European, always wondered why [16:21] DaemonFC Well, they include notations on some of the servers that the actual server is somewhere else and the location is "geolocated" there. [16:21] XRevan86 > A Z-line or zap line (also written Z:line) is similar to a K-line, but applied to a client's IP address range, and is considered to be used in extreme cases. [16:21] DaemonFC But no such note about the US servers. [16:21] schestowitz well, they shut me out anyway [16:22] schestowitz well done, freenode. you need not even convince me to quit [16:22] schestowitz the trump train keeps going choo-choo [16:22] schestowitz to nowhere [16:22] schestowitz under 1000 online users by xmas [16:22] XRevan86 schestowitz: Like all of your clients? [16:23] schestowitz none of this happened until they tore apart the systems they had inherited [16:23] schestowitz XRevan86: just some [16:23] schestowitz but that's bad enough [16:28] DaemonFC I might move over to Mozilla VPN. [16:28] DaemonFC It's just Mullvad with a different client program (Under the MPL 2.). [16:28] DaemonFC I haven't heard of anyone getting infringement letters with Mullvad. [16:28] DaemonFC So it stands that Mozilla VPN is probably safe. [16:29] DaemonFC VPN subscriptions saves me more than it costs. [16:30] XRevan86 https://youtu.be/rBb0lkGPj0Q [16:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mozilla VPN Makes Absolutely NO SENSE - YouTube [16:30] techrights-bot/fn #Microsoft has #NSA back doors, but let's focus on what can be done on "Linux" provided it is already compromised, somehow... https://thehackernews.com/2021/06/wormable-darkradiation-ransomware.html [16:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thehackernews.com | Wormable DarkRadiation Ransomware Targets Linux and Docker Instances [16:32] techrights-bot/fn Let's talk not about Microsoft back doors but about how #hardware defects (nothing to do with Linux) can cause Linux to slow down a bit https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/22/spectre_linux_performance_test_analysis/ [16:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Do you want speed or security as expected? Spectre CPU defenses can cripple performance on Linux in tests The Register [16:33] XRevan86 I need to ask the people on freenode, such as cubexyz, cybrNaut, KindOnescientes, smnthermes, zoobab, this: what stops you from connecting to the channels on irc.techrights.org ? [16:34] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [16:34] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [16:34] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [16:34] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [16:35] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [16:35] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [16:35] XRevan86 * KindOne, scientes [16:35] schestowitz maybe old habits and 20 years if brand power [16:36] schestowitz no matter if FN is no longer the same. Different people, different software too. [16:36] techrights-bot/fn Games: Heroic Games Launcher, Peachleaf Valley, Residual http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152558 [16:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Heroic Games Launcher, Peachleaf Valley, Residual | Tux Machines [16:38] techrights-bot/fn A More Realistic Light Bulb for LibreOffice's Tips of The Day https://libreofficemaster.blogspot.com/2021/06/a-more-realistic-light-bulb-for.html #LibreOffice #opendocument [16:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-libreofficemaster.blogspot.com | A More Realistic Light Bulb for LibreOffice's Tips of The Day [16:41] MinceR i'm on freenode and nothing stops me from connecting here :> [16:41] techrights-bot/fn #Patents are Political, says someone who takes money from #litigation firms to do political #lobbying for #swpats and other ludicrous patents (they made it about business, not science) https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/patents-are-political.html [16:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Patents are Political | Patently-O [16:41] XRevan86 MinceR: "your problems are not my problems" [16:42] techrights-bot/fn Of course the court supports the notion that #fakepatents need to go away https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/arthrex-supreme-preserves.html #patent #ptab #uspto [16:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | United States v. Arthrex: Supreme Court Preserves the PTAB | Patently-O [16:42] XRevan86 Libera: may ban someone, splitting the community maybe? we cannot allow that! [16:42] XRevan86 freedom: bans all the time, splits communities like it's nothing. it's fine as long as I can connect. [16:43] MinceR i'm also connected to illibera and oftc [16:43] techrights-bot/fn So what's the next plan for #patent extremists. Recruit insurrectionists to bomb #PTAB h [16:43] MinceR doesn't mean i have to like any of them [16:44] MinceR or to have illusions about their ircops [16:45] MinceR also, i haven't received my random free z-line yet [16:45] techrights-bot/fn #chemeurope ... Another publisher that writes spam for corrupt EPO management in order to distract from EPO #crimes https://www.chemeurope.com/en/news/1171557/long-lasting-data-storage-with-encapsulated-dna.html see http://techrights.org/2021/05/04/epo-eia-hush-money/ [16:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.chemeurope.com | Long-lasting data storage with encapsulated DNA [16:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Already Wasting Money on Media Manipulation Campaigns for European Inventor Award | Techrights [16:46] XRevan86 MinceR: My idea is that I want to push everyone on the freenode side to join the self-hosted server, and if that fails I want to continue pushing schestowitz to open a presence on Libera. Because if we cannot achieve the former, then the latter is better than what we have. [16:46] MinceR ic [16:47] MinceR or we could consider opening a presence on some other irc network [16:47] immibis activelow: odd to avoid airlines just because microsoft is making the entertainment system or the scheduling system or whatever [16:47] schestowitz what's the benefit of LC? [16:47] XRevan86 MinceR: Preferrably even more obscure. [16:47] schestowitz More people does not imply better discussions [16:47] MinceR indeed [16:47] XRevan86 schestowitz: I casted particular people intentionally [16:47] MinceR obscure is preferable to hostile to free software [16:48] schestowitz it's like all that outreach crap that ends up eating oneself [16:48] XRevan86 MinceR: We already have obscure: this. [16:48] MinceR it is also preferable to "random z-lines lol" [16:48] schestowitz let's bring people from race x, gender y, county z [16:48] MinceR XRevan86: it could be less obscure than this [16:48] schestowitz and then you recruit people who don't care about your cause [16:48] schestowitz so you become xyz instead of what you actually stand for [16:48] schestowitz see EFF [16:48] immibis some of my friends are making a gateway proxy <-- why the fuck would you do this, instead of just accepting freenode is a burning pile of dog piss, and quitting it for good [16:49] XRevan86 What's a gateway proxy? Like this bridge? [16:49] MinceR sticking to burning piles of dog piss worked out so well for our community, why stop now? [16:49] activelow immibis: this is reason enough already [16:49] CrystalMath immibis: no u [16:49] activelow anyway, couldn't fully comprehend yet the fuss around AT&T, SCO, Novell and Microsoft [16:49] immibis XRevan86: they can't get on freenode the normal way for some reason so they MITM themselves to fix the bugs [16:50] CrystalMath it's also for LunarIRC [16:50] immibis activelow: it is only a reason if you have a "personal" grudge against microsoft, rather than just hating their specific business activities [16:50] activelow wikipedia says AT&T was denied to commercialize their Unix when AT&T was state owned [16:50] XRevan86 MinceR: Libera is a common denominator where everyone is except for a very select few. [16:50] activelow immibis: i am having a grudge against privatised telco [16:50] MinceR that's a new spin on the old "you're just haters" yarn, i guess [16:50] XRevan86 Just like freenode was. [16:50] MinceR XRevan86: until ibm pays them more [16:50] immibis activelow: have you tried making a telco? Not sarcasm [16:51] immibis more people who are pissed off with telcos should try making their own [16:51] immibis or pissed off with anything computer-related, really [16:51] MinceR immibis: where would they get the capital? [16:51] immibis fiber cable is $0.30 per meter [16:51] MinceR and how would they get the government (typically already captured by the old telcos) to let them build infrastructure? [16:51] schestowitz very expensive [16:51] immibis or at least was, a couple years ago, at one specific location [16:51] XRevan86 I wonder why cubexyz isn't writing anything anymore. He used to be active. [16:51] schestowitz and even more for underwater maintenance [16:52] schestowitz XRevan86: he was never very active [16:52] schestowitz sometimes silent for months [16:52] immibis MinceR: 1) it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission, 2) you probably don't need as much permission as you think you do, even if you do everything by the book [16:52] MinceR lol [16:52] immibis MinceR: unless they have a law like "no telcos except comcast", you can simply do it [16:52] activelow seems AT&T Unix was freely available to universities, at the time [16:52] MinceR here the government sues you if you fix a pothole and forces you to dig it out again [16:52] immibis MinceR: now, you may have problems with other laws, like running cables across other people's land... [16:52] MinceR imagine what they would do if you dug up the street to install cables [16:53] XRevan86 Ah, he actually wrote a bit more than a week ago, I just missed it. [16:53] immibis MinceR: digging up the street is a routine operation done for all sorts of reasons, have you researched the requirements? [16:53] MinceR no, but i know that there's like 1 or 2 telco available here [16:53] immibis it happens every day without significant issues (just always on a different bit of street) [16:53] MinceR and in most places in this country there's only 1 telco/ISP [16:53] immibis MinceR: anyway who says you have to dig up the street? tried aerial cables? [16:54] immibis MinceR: or wireless? [16:54] MinceR the aerial posts are owned by somebody too [16:54] XRevan86 Anyway, my idea is that when there are valued members that won't or can't join this server, then it's easier to convince to accomodate them. [16:54] activelow and it was Stallman who was involved with POSIX, interesting, didn't know that yet either [16:54] immibis MinceR: it could literally start with a cable between you and your neighbour across both your property [16:54] MinceR i'm not sure about wireless [16:54] MinceR maybe WiMAX would work? [16:54] MinceR immibis: and who has access to the Internet backbone, me or my neighbor? [16:54] immibis MinceR: there are many technologies, and I do not know the details because I was interested in wired networks because they are generally better if you are able to physically construct them [16:55] techrights-bot/fn There is no such thing as "Intellectual Property Rights"; They're not Intellectual, not Property, and not Rights. Does a law degree entitle you to lie to the public? https://singhania.in/blog/pharmaceutical-industry-and-intellectual-property-rights-an-indian-perspective #singhania [16:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-singhania.in | Pharmaceutical Industry and Intellectual Property Rights An Indian Perspective [16:55] MinceR well, yeah [16:55] MinceR i'm all for starting local mesh networks, but that's not the same as running your own telco or ISP [16:55] immibis MinceR: Either of you can hire a business connection from your incumbent ISP. And work on upgrading that later. Unless they say "fuck off, no competition allowed" [16:55] XRevan86 techrights existed just fine on freenode for many years, and I really don't think it'll be any worse on Libera. Meanwhile, on the new freenode it gets worse constantly. [16:55] immibis in which case, that is a serious concern. I know in NZ they have some sort of neutrality law to prohibit that sort of thing. [16:56] MinceR if your problem is that your incumbent ISP sucks, how will getting a business connection from them help? [16:56] immibis MinceR: depends on the kind of suckiness, when I did my research, I was focused on reducing costs [16:56] XRevan86 To me it's like restoring the connection. [16:56] immibis the actual connection was fine [16:56] techrights-bot/fn #Patent extremists and profiteers are sobbing a lot this week. Pass them a cup to soak the tears and explain to them that #patents aren't rights and many granted patents are simply fake and part of a #scam to protect the few, at everyone else's expense https://www.managingip.com/article/b1scm6m2q7v36q/scotus-vacates-and-remands-arthrex-preserves-ptab #ptab [16:56] MinceR immibis: ah, so it's about sharing a business connection with the neighbors [16:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | SCOTUS vacates and remands Arthrex; preserves PTAB | Managing Intellectual Property [16:56] MinceR that sounds doable [16:57] immibis MinceR: but I believe they usually come with much better SLAs, and cost accordingly exorbitant prices, but if you can spread that price around more people, it can work [16:57] immibis you are buying a "good" product instead of a "cheap" product [16:57] MinceR :> [16:57] immibis residential connections from a lot of ISPs are "cheap" products [16:57] immibis MinceR: Yes, and this connection sharing arrangement, *is an ISP* [16:57] activelow immibis: i studied at German Telecom University, insofar i did try my best [16:57] XRevan86 Like schestowitz kept saying that freenode is important, and that's how I feel too, except not towards the domain name. [16:57] techrights-bot/fn As generic as f-! https://www.profootballrumors.com/2021/06/nfc-notes-washington-gallup-cowboys-ridley-falcons #Trademarks #Trademark #USPTO #law [16:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.profootballrumors.com | NFC Notes: Washington, Gallup, Ridley [16:58] activelow immibis: up until when some certain red lines were crossed, they may hire their PHd candidates elsewhere now, i don't give a ...* [16:58] immibis MinceR: an ISP is *any organization* that gives you internet, doesn't matter how it's set up. You hear "start an ISP" and think "hire a lawyer to fill in 3 metric tonnes of paperwork", I say it and I think "share a business connection with your neighbours" [16:58] activelow maybe Microsoft can propose same Telco management staff now? [16:59] XRevan86 The community is important, the organisation of the network that helped form that community is important, and all those things are still there. [16:59] MinceR well, i was thinking more about building infrastructure between backbone (something like BIX) and customers' premises [16:59] immibis MinceR: (and if they won't give you a business internet connection for an ISP, you can investigate other options, like buying IP space, leasing a line to an IXP and using a spare desktop as a main router since it's only serving a handful of people...) [16:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 39.55 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 63.41 swarm size (avg): 309.56 [16:59] schestowitz XRevan86: many here are long timers ● Jun 22 [17:00] schestowitz and LC would very much not have a lot to offer to us [17:00] schestowitz maybe #python or #perl are different [17:00] schestowitz because people come there for different reasons than here [17:00] immibis MinceR: I think usually it's split more like customer premises -> PoP (i.e. your ISP's office/datacenter) -> backbone. And you could focus on one half of that [17:00] MinceR immibis: ok, i see your point [17:00] XRevan86 schestowitz: It has the same to offer as before. [17:01] schestowitz btw, does anything actually happen at LC:/techrights? [17:01] schestowitz I never logged into or connected to LC [17:01] CrystalMath XRevan86: well libera is the less than half the size of the old freenode [17:01] CrystalMath that's a success on its own, every strike against SJWs is good [17:01] XRevan86 schestowitz: I don't think it matters while it is unregistered. [17:01] schestowitz yeah [17:01] CrystalMath every time SJWs lose something it's a victory [17:01] schestowitz and I doubt much is said there regardless [17:02] schestowitz it's like walking into a cave instead of a house [17:02] *verbose has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.0) [17:02] schestowitz and then proclaiming to have "property" [17:02] MinceR i was in libera/#techrights once, looked like a techrights haters club [17:02] schestowitz based on nicks? [17:02] immibis MinceR: if you want to run something that's not a mesh, you probably want to focus on the "access network" which is the part that gets physical connections to as many customers as possible for the cheapest price possible. Therefore they usually try to not put as little equipment as possible there. It's just a big glorified multiplexer. You want your expensive routers to be on the multiplexed side of that multiplexer, as close to your PoP as [17:02] immibis possible because then you need less of them to serve more connections [17:02] XRevan86 Now that techrights came around on freenode, the sentiment may differ anyway. [17:03] immibis MinceR: also all this is kinda conjecture, I did not actually build an ISP, I got pulled away from that idea by some company promising 3x my salary if I move halfway around the world [17:03] XRevan86 schestowitz: Anyway, the idea is that the people that indeed come to #perl and #python can join #techrights on the same network. [17:03] MinceR schestowitz: based on discussion [17:03] CrystalMath XRevan86: the unofficial #perl [17:03] CrystalMath since the official perl is on irc.perl.org :P [17:03] CrystalMath and it's #perl-help [17:04] XRevan86 CrystalMath: It's so unofficial it's mentioned on https://perl.org/community.html [17:04] immibis schestowitz: naturally not very much since it's not the official channel. when I was there it was mainly the people banned from FN techrights [17:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Community - www.perl.org [17:04] CrystalMath XRevan86: it is in fact unofficial [17:04] *verbose_ (~verbose@xm5z894qxaqia.irc) has joined #techrights [17:04] XRevan86 CrystalMath: I wonder why it exists and prominent then [17:04] CrystalMath XRevan86: there's also a #perl on freenode, it's also unofficial [17:05] CrystalMath and due to shenanigans, there's also a ##perl on freenode [17:05] CrystalMath that's Dresden's fault [17:05] immibis MinceR: point is, complaining does nothing, you have to work up the courage to go out there and actually do something, or you're no better than a SJW liberatard. And not be afraid of starting small, and not be afraid of the possibility of utterly failing either [17:05] XRevan86 CrystalMath: The idlers don't know how to rejoin, makes sense. [17:05] CrystalMath XRevan86: nope they changed their autojoin from #perl to ##perl [17:05] CrystalMath because Dresden promised more relaxed rules [17:05] *verbose_ has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.0) [17:06] *verbose_ (~verbose@xm5z894qxaqia.irc) has joined #techrights [17:06] *verbose_ has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.0) [17:06] MinceR immibis: tell that to activelow [17:07] activelow i was caught by surprise slightly when assuming freenode was operated by and for academics and related topics, including philosophy and politics [17:07] immibis activelow: when was the last time you tried to write software for aeroplanes? [17:07] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Really don't know how that is, it doesn't pop up in the search engine either. [17:07] XRevan86 * who that is [17:07] activelow immibis: wasn't directly involved with this [17:07] CrystalMath XRevan86: a freenode person who got K-lined [17:07] XRevan86 Not Putin, is it? He was stationed in Dresden at one point [17:07] *verbose (~verbose@xm5z894qxaqia.irc) has joined #techrights [17:07] schestowitz just checked, 31 people online [17:07] CrystalMath XRevan86: lol :P [17:07] activelow immibis: for some weeks i should code for an airbus supplier, who implemented some industrial image processing algorithms [17:07] CrystalMath XRevan86: no there was someone named Dresden on freenode [17:07] schestowitz used their webchat client [17:07] CrystalMath he was cool until he started raging against anonchat [17:08] activelow immibis: i rejected their offer to work for 1400Euros minus taxes [17:08] immibis not sure if typo or poverty [17:08] immibis or different way of measuring salary [17:08] XRevan86 CrystalMath: That made him a SJW, and his k-line is a victory? [17:08] activelow immibis: then i worked for an eutelsat subsidiary and implemented some traffic accounting system in Perl there, 1400Euros again [17:08] immibis XRevan86: libera staff are SJWs and k-lining people from libera is their victory [17:09] activelow then i worked for some Volkswagen supplier who implemented some automotive infotainment, again 1400 euros [17:09] CrystalMath XRevan86: no, Dresden is just... i don't even know [17:09] schestowitz superkuh is there [17:09] schestowitz they might as well change the topic to point to the real network [17:10] MinceR unless it's +t [17:10] MinceR as nobody has op [17:10] schestowitz not the 'fake' channel simply inherited by people changing their IRC client's settings [17:10] CrystalMath MinceR: i could maybe ask some libera staff to do it? [17:10] CrystalMath just to change the topic [17:10] XRevan86 schestowitz: It's unregistered, so no topic change %) [17:10] MinceR \_()_/ [17:11] activelow the last time i got in touch, and this will be the very last time in my life, was when I was ordered to implement some NoSQL text processing to categorize documents for German Aerospace and Telecom supplier [17:11] techrights-bot/fn Using a compressed diff instead of lines of code | Bryan Quigley https://bryanquigley.com/posts/2021-compressed-diff-metric.html #bryanquigley | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/22/#latest [17:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bryanquigley.com | Using a compressed diff instead of lines of code | Bryan Quigley [17:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [17:12] *kingoffrance has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:12] techrights-bot/fn #W3C Publishes Working Draft For Web Neural Network API - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=W3C-Neural-Network-API-Draft #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/22/#latest [17:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-W3C Publishes Working Draft For Web Neural Network API - Phoronix [17:12] *x_ (~x__@4mmu4fx6g3jvs.irc) has joined #techrights [17:12] schestowitz XRevan86: here's the thing [17:13] schestowitz I know it sounds repetitive but [17:13] schestowitz 1) freenode is what's already in place [17:13] schestowitz 2) objective is to become self-hosted [17:13] schestowitz 3) extending to another (new) network harms (2) [17:13] schestowitz there are other issues, which relate to why (2) is so important, inc. governance [17:13] XRevan86 schestowitz: My question is: does freenode have any value over just being the legacy home? [17:14] schestowitz freenode's value is in a freefall [17:14] schestowitz they'll just do their thing... let them [17:14] XRevan86 because if it does, then that should be relocated [17:14] schestowitz it is [17:14] schestowitz to here [17:14] XRevan86 Annoyingly not a single person I casted replied. [17:15] schestowitz no prodding needed [17:15] schestowitz if they destory their own networks, then they have only themselves to blame. Right now I cannot even connect to freenode from my main laptop [17:15] schestowitz second time in less than a week [17:16] immibis MinceR: btw since you asked "where do I get the capital?", your side have been constantly telling me that it's easy to get capital by working hard, so just do that [17:16] schestowitz one possible thing to do, risk free, is to announce in the LC channel that they should move to this network [17:16] MinceR immibis: "my side"? you're confusing me with someone else [17:16] XRevan86 schestowitz: This whole discussion started (and then derailed) from my saying that it all boils down to whether some things just can't be moved over from the big network. [17:16] immibis MinceR: are you not a supporter of capitalism and/or a libertarian? [17:17] MinceR immibis: defined how? [17:17] XRevan86 So I'm probing for whether that's the case or not. [17:17] schestowitz heck, maybe even a daily reminder would help [17:17] immibis MinceR: by your own definition [17:17] schestowitz to nudge people to where actual discussion happens [17:17] MinceR immibis: if i want to own property and have freedom, does that mean that i have to believe that it's easy to amass capital in this joke of a society that we have? it does not follow [17:19] XRevan86 schestowitz: Then it somehow turned into a discussion about that there are other weird networks out there, and then that actually all hail rasengan for saving us from SJWs [17:19] MinceR did he really, though? [17:19] XRevan86 MinceR: Can't go wrong with that many k-lines [17:20] *x_ is now known as kingoffrance [17:20] immibis MinceR: generally people support capitalism because they believe it's the system that makes it easiest to amass wealth, i.e. capital, out of all possible systems [17:20] CrystalMath immibis: that's not why i support it [17:21] immibis CrystalMath: you believe it is not the system that makes it easiest to amass wealth? [17:21] XRevan86 immibis: Different people mean different specifics by "capitalism". [17:21] CrystalMath i support it because i believe nobody but the person themselves knows best about the path that person should take [17:21] MinceR XRevan86: even if nobody gets to connect to freenode ever again, how does that save us from SJWs? [17:21] schestowitz CNXSOFT posting pure junk now :-) https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/06/22/posture-correction-smart-sensor-helps-you-sit-or-stand-upright/ [17:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Posture correction smart sensor helps you sit or stand upright - CNX Software [17:21] CrystalMath immibis: i believe in everyone choosing their own way without anyone telling them what to do [17:21] XRevan86 MinceR: That just means that the SJW is YOU [17:21] MinceR lol [17:21] CrystalMath immibis: freedom from others is the #1 reason why i like capitalism, i don't care about becoming rich [17:21] CrystalMath it's ALL about freedom to me [17:21] MinceR immibis: generally people mean different things by "capitalism" and with some people even that keeps changing [17:22] schestowitz CrystalMath: makes sense [17:22] immibis CrystalMath: why do you participate in most of society then? It means giving up freedom [17:22] schestowitz some people think money liberates them [17:22] MinceR immibis: i insist on the right to property because there's no way to have IT security or privacy without it [17:22] schestowitz from worry etc. [17:22] XRevan86 MinceR: CrystalMath definitely doesn't have a problem with assuming that everyone means the same thing as he does. [17:22] immibis like, living in a town means you lose the right to shoot your guns wherever you want [17:22] schestowitz it's true to a point, where you no longer get threatening calls from a bank [17:22] schestowitz or your children, if any, don't risk death/starvation [17:22] immibis MinceR: the right to property is not capitalism, capitalism is the right to own profits generated by other people, as property [17:22] MinceR immibis: and i distrust command economy because it has been very well demonstrated that it only leads to suffering and ruin [17:23] CrystalMath schestowitz: nah it just adds more worry [17:23] immibis and the system which naturally results from people being able to trade these rights to own profits [17:23] activelow i am surprised i wasn't threatened anymore [17:23] MinceR immibis: see, the person i asked what capitalism was before you said it was basically just the right to property [17:23] activelow they tried to incarcerate me [17:23] activelow got the documents [17:23] CrystalMath immibis: i believe society should be just voluntary [17:23] immibis MinceR: well, if you can own anything as property, you can also own these profit rights. If you couldn't own these profit rights, that would be a state limitation on property [17:23] MinceR immibis: so according to you capitalism is being able to employ other people? [17:24] MinceR profit rights are not objects, so they're not property [17:24] immibis MinceR: it's more like ownership without working. If you own X you get paid even if you don't work. That's capitalism [17:24] MinceR they might be monopolies, though i'm not sure how that would work [17:24] immibis MinceR: what do you think about intellectual property? [17:24] immibis or shares [17:24] MinceR Imaginary Property should not be enforceable [17:24] schestowitz XRevan86: tell me if I'm off my rocket, but to me LC it proof that number of users mean nothing to a network. You can have many users with ridiculous debate or no debate at all.. LC might seem ok for a "numbers games", but in practice not of value to us [17:24] immibis at least that's consistent, what about shares? [17:24] schestowitz *rocker [17:24] CrystalMath i agree with mincer, "intellectual" "property", which is neither intellectual nor property, is bullcrap [17:25] XRevan86 CrystalMath: https://youtu.be/YpuRcmPnSTM I think this is the second time I give you this link [17:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What you just said - YouTube [17:25] schestowitz CrystalMath: it's a ploy to enrich the rich [17:25] schestowitz techdirt recently wrote about it too [17:25] XRevan86 "i believe society should be just voluntary" regarding this [17:25] schestowitz something along the lines of, if we have big tech so much, why do we keep giving them patent monopolies? [17:25] immibis you have to define what counts as voluntary. I can voluntarily shoot you in the face - that's voluntary for me, but not for you. Or we can reverse that, and make it voluntary for you, but not for me. Neither one is fully voluntary. One is better, but neither is voluntary [17:26] CrystalMath XRevan86: i know you disagree [17:26] CrystalMath immibis: the only interaction that happens should be voluntary on both sides, otherwise there should be no interaction [17:26] XRevan86 CrystalMath: It's not just disagreeing, I think that ye live in an imaginary world where everything is possible. [17:26] immibis CrystalMath: but that means you can't walk in my line of sight unless I agree to it [17:26] techrights-bot/fn Sadly I see #CNXSoft promoting more off-topic Windows stuff and sponsored spam. If they don a Tux logo, at least keep focus, accordingly... [17:27] CrystalMath immibis: and you can't look at me unless i agree with it, by that logic [17:27] MinceR immibis: if you want to have limited liability, you're going to have shares. i think limited liability is a good idea. [17:27] CrystalMath but that's not what i mean [17:27] immibis CrystalMath: correct. unless you start redefining words like "interaction" and "voluntary", which is what most libertarians seem to actually do [17:27] XRevan86 schestowitz: If this is regarding #techrights on Libera, I don't think about it right now. If this is about the established channels, being on Libera is of great value to anyone who seeks answers to qeustions about free software. [17:28] CrystalMath i think liberal.crap is the worst network, run by anti-RMS SJWs, and should be avoided at all costs [17:28] activelow it isn't "intellectual properties", it is author's rights, with the surrounding legal framework including patents, licensing, yet too social security and labor market regulations (or none thereof) [17:28] CrystalMath activelow: right, that name is stupid [17:28] immibis MinceR: there's no reason the ownership of the shares has to be decided the way it currently is, i.e. with voluntary trading starting from the original founder of the company. We could just as well say that workers have shares, which is something like what the socialists want, for example [17:28] XRevan86 I guess RMS is stupid, right? Because he chose to back that network. [17:28] MinceR immibis: yes, and cooperatives already exist [17:29] MinceR XRevan86: maybe he gets off on being cancelled [17:29] CrystalMath XRevan86: he said "for now" and that it's relatively better [17:29] XRevan86 I like how these pro-RMS people don't give a damn about RMS. [17:29] activelow maybe not CrystalMath, yet "intellectual property" is deflecting from the issue at hand: which is author's rights [17:29] MinceR XRevan86: and that's fine. we've survived without the FSF before and we'll survive once the FSF nukes itself. [17:29] immibis authors have no rights, only capitalists do, they get the rights to the work you produce because they pay your salary [17:29] XRevan86 CrystalMath: This already means that freenode is something he wants no part of. [17:29] CrystalMath activelow: no i mean the term "intellectual property" is stupid [17:29] techrights-bot/fn #Qualcomm "HEY HI" Engine.... more meaningless #marketing and hype. I remember when the term meant ML, not just nebulous buzzwords thrown at everything. [17:29] immibis and the rights can be traded. Which makes them property. [17:30] immibis MinceR: so are shares property? [17:30] MinceR not sure [17:30] CrystalMath XRevan86: i'm aware of that, but freenode has no bearing on libera whatsoever, and doesn't excuse their SJW actions even one bit [17:30] MinceR ask a jurist [17:30] XRevan86 > run by anti-RMS SJWs [17:30] activelow at least humans cannot be traded, that's illegal, slavery. explain this to EU [17:30] XRevan86 Just don't mention RMS when supporting freenode, okay? [17:30] CrystalMath yes, 4 of their staff signed a letter against RMS [17:30] CrystalMath that's a new record for IRC networks [17:30] XRevan86 CrystalMath: RMS is willing to give Libera a chance, freenode doesn't deserve that. [17:31] techrights-bot/fn utines." https://blog.blackquill.cc/c-coroutines-thr [17:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://blog.blackquill.cc/c-coroutines-thr ) [17:31] CrystalMath number of staffers who sign hate campaign letters: libera: 4, OFTC: 1, freenode: 0, rizon: 0, EFNet: 0, IRCNet: 0, hackint: 0, ... [17:31] techrights-bot/fn Janet Blackquill: "you can implement a rudimentary version of algebraic effects using C++ coroutines." https://blog.blackquill.cc/c-coroutines-three-more-than-asynchrony #programming [17:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.blackquill.cc | C++ Coroutines Three: More Than Asynchrony Janet's Shenanigans [17:31] MinceR CrystalMath: i'm pretty sure oftc has more [17:32] CrystalMath i counted one [17:32] XRevan86 freenode staffers have other methods towards the people they disagree with. [17:32] MinceR https://www.oftc.net/staff/ [17:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.oftc.net | OFTC - Staff [17:32] XRevan86 letters they're just too formal [17:32] immibis MinceR: a jurist would say yes. A jurist would also say copyright ssis property [17:32] immibis copyrights are* [17:32] immibis and patents and trademarks [17:32] CrystalMath oh hmm [17:32] MinceR immibis: strange, i thought jurists did work for some free software organizations [17:33] techrights-bot/fn #Haiku R1/Beta3 Timeline Approved https://www.haiku-os.org/news/2021-06-14_haiku_r1beta3_timeline_approved/ #HaikuOS [17:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.haiku-os.org | Haiku R1/Beta3 Timeline Approved | Haiku Project [17:33] CrystalMath so it's 3 [17:33] CrystalMath number of staffers who sign hate campaign letters: libera: 4, OFTC: 3, freenode: 0, rizon: 0, EFNet: 0, IRCNet: 0, hackint: 0, ... [17:33] MinceR i'd say a limited liability company is property, and partial ownership of that is a share [17:33] immibis MinceR: even those ones would say the same thing, because you are asking them to tell you the truth, not what you want to hear [17:33] MinceR riiiight [17:33] CrystalMath OFTC is a scourge, as well, i will reconsider my account there [17:33] MinceR immibis' preferences are "The Truth" [17:34] immibis MinceR: current laws are the truth about current laws. [17:34] immibis MinceR: i can't just say that I prefer murder to be legal, therefore murder is legal, which is what you're saying. [17:34] immibis (except you're saying it about theft) [17:35] immibis you can say it *shouldn't* be considered as property, but to say that it's *not* is incorrect [17:35] MinceR immibis: you do realize that 1) laws can be changed and 2) laws can be morally wrong, right? [17:35] MinceR immibis: also, maybe you can explain to me how making a copy of some information is theft [17:35] schestowitz many work worked for freenode also work for OFTC [17:36] schestowitz and they ban the same people [17:36] schestowitz people who rallied in support of RMS, too [17:36] schestowitz sometimes they would ban such people in both networks simultaneously [17:36] *XRevan86 heard some stories of unprofessional bans from the OFTC staff. [17:36] schestowitz the cliques overlap [17:36] XRevan86 Don't know how that holds ground or how significant. [17:36] immibis MinceR: I realize both of those, and you are incorrect to say that the law you would *like* to have, is the current law [17:37] *immibis heard some stories of unprofessional bans from the TR staff. [17:37] schestowitz I see OFTC as a sub-brand of those who ran freenode and now run LC [17:37] schestowitz a branch [17:37] XRevan86 immibis: I know there is one such upset person. [17:37] schestowitz like companies that sell under another name [17:37] schestowitz Coka/Fanta [17:37] XRevan86 I don't know why he didn't join this server. [17:37] schestowitz *Cocaine/Coke [17:38] XRevan86 schestowitz: There is definitely some cross-pollination. [17:38] activelow club-mate is the legit brand [17:38] CrystalMath MinceR: correction, it's 4 for OFTC [17:38] CrystalMath so 4 for OFTC, 4 for liberia [17:38] schestowitz see? [17:38] MinceR immibis: maybe you can explain to me how making a copy of some information is theft? [17:38] schestowitz same problem [17:38] XRevan86 schestowitz: But if this had been 100% correct, there would've been no Libera. [17:38] CrystalMath number of staffers who sign hate campaign letters: libera: 4, OFTC: 4, freenode: 0, rizon: 0, EFNet: 0, IRCNet: 0, hackint: 0, ... [17:38] schestowitz maybe in the future it will ever be more than 4 [17:39] schestowitz irc.techrights.org: 0 [17:39] schestowitz as of yesterday [17:39] CrystalMath yeah :P [17:39] CrystalMath it had 1 [17:39] MinceR :) [17:39] schestowitz now my worry about LC is this: [17:39] schestowitz person x used to be in freenode [17:39] schestowitz realises freenode is a toilet tissue [17:39] schestowitz moved to LC [17:39] schestowitz joins techrights because the client is set up this way [17:40] schestowitz misled into thinking some people who I don't know are us.... and can incite against us [17:40] schestowitz using our own name, which can be misleading [17:40] XRevan86 schestowitz: That's a valid point. Register the channels then. [17:40] schestowitz like buying a car that's mislabeled and harming the brand of the real thing [17:40] XRevan86 My work done for me :) [17:40] schestowitz XRevan86: registering it would give the wrong impression [17:41] XRevan86 schestowitz: Write "main channel on irc.techrights.org" in the topic then. [17:41] schestowitz I will use a web-based thing to watch it for a day and see if anything at all happens there [17:41] XRevan86 We discussed this a month ago, we even agreed to a plan that MinceR would hold the registration. And then it just went to "nah" [17:41] schestowitz adding a bridge would encourage people to stay there and even join there [17:42] schestowitz so like I said, a one-way bridge, from there to here, would have been better [17:42] XRevan86 schestowitz: Doesn't sound as bad as people joining freenode. [17:42] schestowitz XRevan86: lol [17:42] schestowitz who are those fictonal beings? [17:42] schestowitz nobody joins [17:42] schestowitz some stay [17:42] XRevan86 schestowitz: That was accepted even before freenode died. [17:42] schestowitz but I very strongly doubt someone reads news and social control media and thinks, YES!! This is the network i want to JOIN! [17:42] MinceR the one way bridge sounds like a bad idea, regardless of direction [17:42] CrystalMath actually schestowitz [17:43] CrystalMath i can maybe ask libera staff to just change the topic [17:43] schestowitz that might help [17:43] CrystalMath without techrights having to own channels on that putrid network [17:43] XRevan86 Darn it, I wanted to quote The Twelve Chairs, but I don't know the quote in English. [17:43] immibis MinceR: i meant to say property, not theft [17:43] CrystalMath schestowitz: i'm on somewhat friendly terms with some libera staff actually, who aren't signers of the disgusting petition [17:43] XRevan86 help me out, Wikiquote [17:43] MinceR 22 183440 < immibis> (except you're saying it about theft) [17:44] CrystalMath schestowitz: but i don't connect to liberia to talk to them, rather, they're on hackint [17:44] CrystalMath (as normal users) [17:44] MinceR funny how contradicting official MAFIAA party lines is described as wishful thinking, even though they are the ones lying about the law [17:45] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Can't let the SJWs have this [17:45] XRevan86 I really don't understand what the problem is. [17:46] immibis [18:43:40] MinceR: i meant to say property, not theft [17:46] techrights-bot/fn Is Bristows still boosting #patentTrolls such as #Sisvel h Does it work for them? http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/06/21/technical-primers-where-infringement-essentiality-equivalents-case-involves-complex-technology-mitsubishi-sisvel-v-oneplus-xiaomi-2021-ewhc-1639-pat/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Bristows_LLP [17:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Technical primers where infringement / essentiality / equivalents case involves complex technology - Mitsubishi & Sisvel v OnePlus & Xiaomi [2021] EWHC 1639 (Pat) - Kluwer Patent Blog [17:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bristows LLP - Techrights [17:47] MinceR immibis: oh, so what you meant was "i can't just say that I prefer property to be legal, therefore property is legal, which is what you're saying." [17:47] schestowitz XRevan86: here's one way to put it [17:47] schestowitz on the internet, we have DNS [17:47] MinceR i can't figure that out, sorry [17:47] schestowitz IRC uses DNS [17:47] schestowitz but IRC also has its own namespace [17:48] schestowitz #[+1] [17:48] schestowitz in terms of DNS, we're in control here [17:48] XRevan86 schestowitz: I get the control thing. [17:48] schestowitz but in namespaces spread across different networks we are not [17:48] XRevan86 schestowitz: I don't get the "the SJW and Big FOSS will eat you there" [17:48] schestowitz the goal should be to put channels in the DNS system [17:48] schestowitz or IPNS for IPFS [17:48] schestowitz because then people can be in more directly control [17:48] schestowitz IRC was designed before the WWW was a think [17:49] MinceR DNS isn't such a great idea [17:49] immibis MinceR: you can't just say that you prefer shares to not be property, therefore they aren't [17:49] schestowitz it would suck if people's sites were all like SITE.blogspot.com (Google) [17:49] XRevan86 schestowitz: And exactly because Libera supersedes freenode, there are aforementioned implications. [17:49] schestowitz XRevan86: I don't know what SJW even means [17:49] schestowitz I know one person who calls himself that [17:49] MinceR immibis: not a question of preference. rather, whether they behave like property. but i think they do -- copying shares is meaningless, so they are scarce [17:49] immibis it means anyone to the left of hitler [17:49] MinceR immibis: and so it makes sense to ask who owns a particular share [17:50] XRevan86 schestowitz: CrystalMath says all kinds of things he doesn't know what they mean. [17:50] schestowitz MinceR: agreed. [08:33] The war on #dns is no longer motivated by #nationalSecurity pretexts but protection of BUSINESS interests, including unjust #monopolies ... in #ipfs we have #ipns to help replace and obviate away DNS. Let's do it! Does that support crime? No! In China you get in trouble just for wanting an election. [17:50] immibis MinceR: trademark registrations are also like this, patent registrations, copyright registrations (implicit or explicit) [17:50] schestowitz [08:31] NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #Sony Wins Pirate Site Blocking Order Against DNS-Resolver #Quad9 (Updated) https://torrentfreak.com/sony-wins-pirate-site-blocking-order-against-dns-resolver-quad9-210621/ [17:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sony Wins Pirate Site Blocking Order Against DNS-Resolver Quad9 (Updated) * TorrentFreak [17:50] schestowitz and that's just from yesterday [17:50] MinceR immibis: and yet copyright, trademark and patent are distinct from each other [17:50] MinceR immibis: and content and programs can be copied at a very low cost [17:51] immibis MinceR: I didn't say programs. I said copyright registrations. [17:51] MinceR immibis: so, according to the law, there is no "Intellectual Property" [17:51] XRevan86 schestowitz: From what I've seen so far, CrystalMath just loves finding enemies of good. [17:51] MinceR immibis: and according to reality, copying is not theft [17:51] immibis MinceR: I didn't say programs. I said copyright registrations. [17:51] schestowitz they rarely need to be registered [17:51] immibis copying a copyright registration is also meaningless because the office knows it's a fake because they have the original to compare it to [17:51] schestowitz and hence they're cheap and attractive [17:52] immibis schestowitz: hence (implicit or explicit). Copyright acts like you registered it, even if you didn't, but you might find it harder to prove in that case [17:52] XRevan86 So I'll continue mocking him, that's my defence reaction against categorical thinking. [17:52] schestowitz it's the enforcement that can be costly and time-consuming [17:52] schestowitz usually copyright sorts itself out with gentlemen's agreement [17:52] schestowitz no lawsuits, no settlements with money [17:52] schestowitz with patents and a physical product compliance costs are a lot higher [17:53] schestowitz so some people just say, get rid of all patents, completely. Some also suggest alternative systems. [17:54] MinceR i agree with getting rid of all patents completely [17:54] schestowitz FWIT, that one letter about FSF and RMS isn't a litmus test for "SJW" -- whatever that us [17:54] MinceR it has been a shitshow for quite some time [17:54] schestowitz maybe a lot of people signed it based on lies they saw online, like http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/the-fake-door-sign/ [17:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fake Door Sign Used to Frame Richard Stallman and Misrepresent Him One Year Ago (the Media Never Corrected This Slanderous Allegation) | Techrights [17:54] MinceR people should not sign anything based on hearsay [17:54] MinceR if they do, that's on them [17:55] schestowitz I saw some article connected to 'Linux' (destroying) foundation still using this in the heading [17:55] schestowitz never bothered correcting it [17:56] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/sjvn-senior-moment/ [17:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | One Year Later Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols Libel Against Richard Stallman Remains Online and Uncorrected at ZDNet | Techrights [17:57] schestowitz "My hair is now orange and pink." https://github.com/mollydb [17:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mollydb (Molly de Blanc) GitHub [17:57] schestowitz ok [17:57] schestowitz good [17:58] schestowitz my hait was blond [17:58] schestowitz now it's brown [17:58] schestowitz now i will add it to my bio [17:58] XRevan86 schestowitz: The reason why it's so hard to just convince me is because I don't have a strong opinion about this, I see routes and possibilities how this can work out. There are pros and there are cons. [17:59] schestowitz maintenance is a con [17:59] CrystalMath schestowitz: an SJW (social justice warrior) is a person who abuses the concept of social justice to dominate people with authoritarianism and control [17:59] schestowitz I lost about 10 hours last week on FN [17:59] XRevan86 schestowitz: Maintaining compatibility with older connections is a pro [17:59] MinceR for some people, brains are more important than hair; for other people, it's the other way around [17:59] MinceR bully de blanc has to make to with hair ● Jun 22 [18:00] schestowitz people gradually lose hair [18:00] CrystalMath Bully de Blanc, nice [18:00] CrystalMath that's her real name [18:00] XRevan86 schestowitz: Letting people participate without the need for joining a special network is a pro [18:00] CrystalMath i mean her REAL name [18:00] schestowitz it usually takes longer to lose a lot more brain cells that are recovered [18:00] MinceR there are some networks that are not short bus special :> [18:00] MinceR including this one :> [18:01] CrystalMath XRevan86: "finding enemies of good" sounds like cancel culture [18:01] XRevan86 The existing audience there is neither, participation is cultivated. [18:01] schestowitz XRevan86: if they cared enough, they would join [18:01] CrystalMath exactly, i think irc.techrights.org is the best home for techrights [18:01] schestowitz many there that I saw earlier (for the first time) are mostly idlers [18:02] XRevan86 schestowitz: Unless that's a problem somehow. [18:02] CrystalMath and we have a freenode bridge for people who still want that [18:02] schestowitz some I never even saw before [18:02] CrystalMath there's like 60 people there [18:02] CrystalMath on the freenode side [18:02] schestowitz and i know them better [18:02] schestowitz and trust them [18:02] schestowitz here's a thing [18:02] schestowitz hang on, will log in with webchat [18:03] XRevan86 > "finding enemies of good" sounds like cancel culture [18:03] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Categorical thinking is like that, isn't it. [18:03] schestowitz the following people I never saw, ever, and they choose to enter an UNofficial channels in a NEW network. WHY? [18:04] schestowitz bleb, brabo, cbrtrnx, dy, derikson [18:04] schestowitz who are they? [18:04] schestowitz so a new network was set up and they connect to it and enter an unofficial channel they never went on in freenode? [18:04] schestowitz I only named A-D [18:04] schestowitz there are more [18:04] schestowitz those people are unknown to me [18:04] schestowitz and they make up like half the channel [18:04] schestowitz in a NEW network [18:05] XRevan86 schestowitz: One possibility is that they found techrights to be interesting and joined the channel on the default network to lurk [18:05] MinceR they choose their defaults poorly [18:05] schestowitz and then saw it's [18:05] schestowitz 1) dead [18:05] schestowitz 2) unofficial [18:05] XRevan86 schestowitz: A lot of channels are on Libera and freenode right now. [18:05] schestowitz and maybe even went to the site and realised they came to the wrong place, as there are two official ones and this isn't one of them [18:06] XRevan86 schestowitz: Like try joining #mate [18:06] schestowitz sorry, mate, cannot [18:06] XRevan86 schestowitz: MATE hasn't gotten around to registering yet. So the official channels looks a lot like #techrights [18:07] XRevan86 and they aren't even announced yet either [18:07] schestowitz MATE might not be happy about it [18:07] schestowitz but then again MATE might be a support, not dev, channel [18:07] schestowitz in which case they might say, let people support other people [18:07] XRevan86 schestowitz: The person responsible is just busy with other things right now. [18:08] XRevan86 there aren't registered channels for the project *anywhere* [18:08] XRevan86 non-existent [18:08] techrights-bot/fn Live Updates: U.S. Prepares New Sanctions on #Russia For #Navalny Poisoning https://www.barrons.com/articles/live-updates-51624216054 because the US never assassinated anyone, not even SUCCESSFULLY ;-) [18:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.barrons.com | Live Updates: U.S. Prepares New Sanctions on Russia For Navalny Poisoning | Barron's [18:10] XRevan86 schestowitz: There is a dev channel too. It's the whole namespace. [18:10] techrights-bot/fn This overlooks the fact that a very high proportion of patents granted by today's #EPO are invalid and not in compliance with the #EPC ; hardly a cause for celebration https://finance.yahoo.com/news/biocardia-announces-european-patent-office-120000038.html [18:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-finance.yahoo.com | BioCardia Announces European Patent Office Decision to Grant Patent on Autologous Cell Therapy Patient Selection Diagnostic Assay [18:11] schestowitz XRevan86: it's different when users of something help other users [18:11] schestowitz devs probably don't want a support channel for themselves [18:11] schestowitz they're rather user forums where they can reuse answers by linking [18:11] XRevan86 I continue maintaining the bridge as the to be official channels and the channels named on the website continue to differ. [18:11] XRevan86 schestowitz: No, it's used. [18:11] schestowitz and if there is an official channel with opinions and plans, not every random user of the software belongs there, they can even be trolled [18:12] schestowitz XRevan86: ah, ok [18:12] schestowitz MATE is interesting [18:12] schestowitz does it address the systemd trap? [18:12] activelow no [18:12] XRevan86 schestowitz: Anyway, not the point. The point is that the official channels still look pathetic right now. [18:12] activelow besides the real issue is dbus [18:12] schestowitz I was gonna say dbus [18:12] schestowitz or redhat [18:13] schestowitz which is now ibm [18:13] MinceR dbugs is _another_ real issue :> [18:13] schestowitz the lock-in inherited by a company MORE notorious for vendor lockin and patent aggression [18:13] activelow kde too is burned, although it is possible with some hacks to retain gtk and qt [18:13] schestowitz kde can work without systemd [18:14] MinceR the last good version of kde survives as trinity de [18:14] schestowitz but only gentoo does it, iirc [18:14] activelow it can't without dbus [18:14] MinceR and it has dcop [18:14] schestowitz ioslaves [18:14] XRevan86 schestowitz: It supports elogind. [18:14] schestowitz did they rename these? [18:14] MinceR which, unlike dbugs, actually works reliably [18:14] MinceR and doesn't require you to write a domain name 3 times, in 2 formats, to address something [18:15] activelow kde3 (trinity project) can be patched, which i did, but i dropped kde3 too since it was simply too much effort, meanwhile the developer did continue with the gentoo tree for it [18:15] XRevan86 schestowitz: And ConsoleKit2 [18:15] activelow with qt6 and gtk4 i fear for the worst, since it doubles maintenance effort again [18:16] techrights-bot/fn When the #litigation profiteers fund the publications and the so-called 'news' sites it hardly surprises anyone that everything is seen in the framing of litigation and the talking points come from echo chambers https://www.managingip.com/article/b1sbchnvvjsrl0/from-the-us-to-europe-how-counsel-manage-global-litigation [18:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | From the US to Europe: how counsel manage global litigation | Managing Intellectual Property [18:16] activelow furthermore it is widget toolkits to separate from the graphical desktop environment, the latter is of less concern, openbox/i3/fvwm are OK [18:16] XRevan86 activelow: It's not as bad as with GTK 2 GTK 3 [18:16] XRevan86 but there are annoying pitfalls [18:17] activelow and it is the widget toolkits (not the graphical desktop) which lock into various relevant packages then a user expects: libreoffice, browsers, gimp, almost everything [18:17] XRevan86 The last CVE about mate-screenshot was my code updating a challenging deprecated API using bit of code there. [18:18] XRevan86 jwz mentioned it, I feel famous. [18:18] MinceR :> [18:18] techrights-bot/fn Instead of obeying high courts they try to work around the courts and around the law, at least until they get their lobbyists and bribed politicians to pass the next round/s of legislation to protect the rich and abolish courts' decisions (or people's interest) https://www.managingip.com/article/b1sbblbdb1sqr5/brazil-counsel-embrace-creative-enforcement-after-sc-ruling [18:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Brazil counsel embrace creative enforcement after SC ruling | Managing Intellectual Property [18:18] activelow i am not joking when saying i am perparing for some even more radical fork and kick gcc, c++ and everything which depends on it [18:19] XRevan86 It was a bit of a mindfsck, I published it a year after I made it to work. [18:19] XRevan86 still couldn't account for all the cases, obviously [18:20] techrights-bot/fn Publications funded by litigation giants never quote actual folks or ordinary people (they pretend they don't know anything, need corporate lawyers as 'nannies'), or most stakeholders with a stake in outcomes; instead they quote corporations or people looking to profit from litigation, change the law etc. [18:21] XRevan86 But it's done now, mate-screensaver uses GdkSeat and as such the most important piece of its coding is ready for GTK 4 [18:22] techrights-bot/fn More #fakepatents from the #EPO ; in this case, #TeamUPC and proponents of #softwarepatents (litigation profiteers, they don't code anything) comment on this #kangaroocourt https://www.mondaq.com/germany/patent/1080896/ensuring-data-integrity-facilitating-centralized-control-of-logistics-plants-and-improving-data-exchange-to-other-logistics-plants-non-technical [18:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Ensuring Data Integrity, Facilitating Centralized Control Of Logistics Plants And Improving Data Exchange To Other Logistics Plants: Non-technical - Intellectual Property - Germany [18:23] XRevan86 And the CVE got prominent only because Ubuntu 16.04 refused to fix it. So not all my fault. [18:23] techrights-bot/fn This promotes the lie or propaganda of "Intellectual Property", conflating actual laws with something that they're not https://www.mondaq.com/uk/trademark/1078336/how-do-i-protect-my-business-idea-our-step-by-step-guide [18:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | How Do I Protect My Business Idea Our Step By Step Guide - Intellectual Property - UK [18:25] techrights-bot/fn Instead of solving coronavirus pandemic we're granting #monopolies https://www.biospace.com/article/releases/duke-nus-and-genscript-announce-notice-of-allowance-for-u-s-patent-application-for-sars-cov-2-surrogate-virus-neutralization-test/ #uspto #patents [18:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Duke-NUS and GenScript Announce Notice of Allowance for U.S. Patent Application for SARS-CoV-2 Surrogate Virus Neutralization Test | BioSpace [18:26] XRevan86 They had time from Jan 2017 to fix it, and instead 16.04 just went EOL with the CVE unfixed. [18:26] XRevan86 The CVE was even published as such to make Ubuntu fix it. [18:26] XRevan86 didn't work [18:27] techrights-bot/fn #coronavirus <3 #patents because #patent #monopolies help it spread further and faster. The business model is, let it spread further, we'll have more CLIENTS. And stopping it by abundance of solutions is no longer the real objective. Not from a fiscal perspective. [18:27] XRevan86 There wouldn't've been a reason otherwise, as in a matter of weeks there wasn't a single instance of the bug present in the wild. Except for Ubuntu. [18:28] XRevan86 Ariadne laughed at RHEL for not patching through, well, I have a reason to laugh at Ubuntu :) [18:29] techrights-bot/fn The #corporateMedia says "vaccine nationalism" to hide the reality of actual #nationalism and #racism ... as if to say, don't get angry at the patents. #patent #monopoly isn't bad... it's just that awful "vaccine nationalism"... fight RACISM, not patents [18:29] activelow PAM removed, sudo removed, dbus removed, not sure how much trouble this spared me already [18:29] activelow years before CVEs were announced [18:30] activelow tried to lobby a little for my ideas, so far no success [18:32] techrights-bot/fn Today's #covid19 numbers in the #uk are out. 44.4% increase in deaths in one week (27 dead today)! 34.8% increase in cases (in one week!). And our lunatic Pry Minister, helped by media like #billBC , wants us to think this thing is over, for political reasons alone. http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/06/22/lock-down-again/ [18:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive The Tories Are Lying and You Should Consider Going Into Lock-down Again (Irrespective of What the Government Says) [18:33] techrights-bot/fn "June 21, 2021. Added a link to an article by renown author Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie in which she explains how she was shunned on Twitter by her own friend." #rms #gnu #twitter #socialcontrolmedia #cancelCulture https://stallmansupport.org/updates.html [18:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallmansupport.org | In Support of Richard Stallman - Updates [18:36] schestowitz just checked again and freenode still blocks me [18:36] schestowitz from my main/sole client that I use [18:36] schestowitz so I cannot access my own channel [18:36] schestowitz brave freenode! well done, lads [18:36] schestowitz second this in a week [18:37] schestowitz last time I managed to alter DNS a bit to get back in after a day of trying [18:37] XRevan86 Ye mean, join a specific host? [18:38] immibis clearly you are too libertarian for them [18:38] techrights-bot/fn #GitLab 14 signals shift to modern DevOps: A DevOps platform with velocity, trust, and visibility | GitLab https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2021/06/22/gitlab-14-modern-devops/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/22/#latest [18:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-about.gitlab.com | GitLab 14 signals shift to modern DevOps: A DevOps platform with velocity, trust, and visibility | GitLab [18:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [18:38] XRevan86 immibis: Usonians have a different meaning of that word. [18:40] techrights-bot/fn #deletefacebook and stop uploading pictures to it? Anyone who appears inside photos uploaded to #Facebook is being subjected to abuse (even those who do not have a #fb account) https://www.maketecheasier.com/fix-facebook-pictures-not-loading/ [18:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Facebook Pictures Not Loading? Here are the Fixes - Make Tech Easier [18:41] immibis right. clearly you are too unauthoritarian for them [18:41] immibis ironically that is also the meaning I usually mean [18:41] immibis the US one [18:42] XRevan86 immibis: I like how the Russian Libertarian Party is a hot melting pot of both. [18:42] XRevan86 I guess if stalinists and social democrats can live under one roof, then so can they :) [18:44] techrights-bot/fn For the second time in a week I cannot even log into #freenode using my #irc client. Their system is obviously misclassifying legitimate users. And I was told I'm not alone. It's a widespread technical problem. THIS IS BASICS. THIS SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN. [18:45] techrights-bot/fn New: "It Is Obscene: A True Reflection In Three Parts The practice of shunning people on antisocial media has reached a point that violates the most basic human decency. Resorting to falsehood and slander to achieve the defamer's own goals has become the norm." https://stallmansupport.org/articles-in-support-of-richard-stallman.html#chimamanda [18:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallmansupport.org | In Support of Richard Stallman - Articles in Support of Richard Stallman [18:45] XRevan86 The pains of needing a network that is just a few weeks old. [18:46] techrights-bot/fn Renown author Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie calls it obscene; we add, it's perverse. Telling us her own painful experience, Chimamanda writes: "In this age of social media, where a story travels the world in minutes, silence sometimes means that other people can hijack your story and soon, their false version becomes the defining story about you." https://stallmansupport.org/articles [18:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://stallmansupport.org/articles ) [18:46] techrights-bot/fn -in-support-of-richard-stallman.html#ch [18:46] XRevan86 Did matterbridge just clip a link in half? [18:46] MinceR yes [18:46] techrights-bot/fn "Apparently you can meet mates down the pub but cannot see a public official to get important work done! Worse yet, those public officials dont even respond to you. They dont speak to you and theres nobody to talk to. Not even in E-mail or over the phone" http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/06/22/lock-down-again/ [18:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive The Tories Are Lying and You Should Consider Going Into Lock-down Again (Irrespective of What the Government Says) [18:47] XRevan86 The link was clearly already clipped, hah. [18:48] XRevan86 unless it really did end with "#ch" [18:48] XRevan86 Which I doubt. [18:49] techrights-bot/fn Our #tories "leaders are nihilistic (what sane person says bodies [can] pile up high?), far worse than incompetent and more sinister than merely misinformed." #uk #covid19 http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/06/22/lock-down-again/ [18:50] XRevan86 schestowitz: Speaking of, it can bridge Mumble too. [18:50] XRevan86 Mumble is not exactly good for text, but just FYI. [18:51] schestowitz we use mumble [18:51] schestowitz but only to record techbytes [18:51] schestowitz and it's always just verbal [18:51] XRevan86 Makes sense. [18:53] schestowitz XRevan86: freenode denies access by two of my laptops [18:53] schestowitz both konversation [18:54] schestowitz but I don't know if the agent is visible to them [18:54] schestowitz I think that in itself is another blunder [18:54] XRevan86 schestowitz: If people use #techbytes to ask questions, that can be transmitted to Mumble and back. [18:54] schestowitz CrystalMath said others were experiencing similar issues [18:54] schestowitz but not many users remain there to report ita [18:54] schestowitz and obv. if they can't get it their voice would be 'suppressed' [18:54] CrystalMath schestowitz: err, no, my friends can connect [18:54] CrystalMath but when they join a channel [18:55] CrystalMath their proprietary old client crashes [18:55] CrystalMath same for LunarIRC [18:55] XRevan86 proprietary old client? IRC.com? [18:55] schestowitz so they use efnet [18:55] schestowitz ? [18:55] CrystalMath yes [18:55] schestowitz great stuff [18:55] CrystalMath it segfaults because InspIRCD puts a : in front of the channel time [18:55] schestowitz move fast, everything breaks [18:55] CrystalMath which crashes IceChat 7 [18:55] CrystalMath apparently it does some blind ascii-to-integer stuff [18:56] CrystalMath and if there's a non-digit in there, it gets a NULL [18:56] CrystalMath and then dereferences NULL [18:56] schestowitz the pace breakage is going, maybe freenode will be mothballed by year's end [18:56] CrystalMath eh, it's not just freenode breakage [18:56] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Looks like a dead client. [18:56] CrystalMath LunarIRC has that problem [18:56] schestowitz iirc, the first blunder was taking over 700 channels [18:56] schestowitz and not even apologising for it [18:56] CrystalMath XRevan86: it is! but he won't change it [18:57] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Who won't? [18:57] CrystalMath my friend [18:57] schestowitz and it just went downhill from there [18:57] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Well, silly person :) [18:57] CrystalMath i mean most of my friends like to run XP [18:57] CrystalMath and always 32-bit [18:57] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Doesn't mIRC run or something? [18:57] CrystalMath it does but he wants IceChat 7 [18:57] XRevan86 why does it have to be some crap on C# [18:58] CrystalMath no version 7 wasn't .NET [18:58] CrystalMath version 8+ is [18:58] XRevan86 I see. [18:58] CrystalMath version 7 is also proprietary, unlike the open source version 9 [18:59] CrystalMath but we're coding up a gateway [18:59] CrystalMath it's also integrated with my other friend's MyBridge [18:59] CrystalMath so they will see bridged users as if they were there :) [18:59] *liberty_box_ has quit (Quit: Leaving) [18:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 31.00 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 60.68 swarm size (avg): 309.34 [18:59] *liberty_box has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Jun 22 [19:00] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Good luck hitting the limit of maximum simultaneous connections. [19:00] CrystalMath XRevan86: that was the bridge that held ##sqlite until he got K-lined from liberia [19:00] CrystalMath oh no the gateway is intended to run at home [19:00] CrystalMath it uses PRIVMSG to talk to MyBridge [19:00] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Ah, before I brought my bridge there? [19:00] CrystalMath yes [19:01] techrights-bot/fn #litigation #extortion and #blackmail industry now hijacks civil rights causes. As usual. Will those who are hijacked for #reputationLaundering purposes (the army does the same by the way) react? Or play alone? https://www.managingip.com/article/b1sd228t5fbjp1/pride-month-why-intersectionality-is-key-for-lgbtq-lawyers [19:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Pride month: why intersectionality is key for LGBTQ lawyers | Managing Intellectual Property [19:01] XRevan86 CrystalMath: I see the talks about getting RELAYMSG into freenode went nowhere? [19:01] CrystalMath it's highly unlikely that MyBridge would get enough privileges for that [19:02] CrystalMath and i mean... it's a mIRC script [19:02] CrystalMath on an old vulnerable version of mIRC :P [19:02] XRevan86 techrights can benefit from that, but it won't even be given that [19:04] XRevan86 Of course the caring about how things are out there has significantly been reduced, and it wasn't a lot before either %) [19:05] schestowitz benefit from what bridge? [19:05] CrystalMath schestowitz: freenode RELAYMSG support [19:08] techrights-bot/fn Number of NEW #covid19 cases in the #uk highest since 16th of February, i.e. more than 4 months. Our Pry Minister: BACK TO NORMAL NEXT MONTH! Chronic sociopath, charlatan, and blood-thirsty liar. Ignore everything he says. http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2020/12/12/tech-versus-human-rights/ [19:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive COVID May Have Caused (or Helped) the UK Home Office and Manchester Town Hall to Violate Basic Laws or Fundamental Human Rights [19:09] XRevan86 We're discussing how that's not a thing. [19:11] techrights-bot/fn About 100,000 'grandpas' and 'grandmas' in the #uk died with #covid19 and our sick-minded Pry Minister speaks of these people like they're corpses ("let the bodies pile up high", the language of MASS GRAVES). Why would ANYBODY still listen to anything he says? Why does the media repeat his words? http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2020/12/12/tech-versus-human-rights/ [19:12] techrights-bot/fn We need a media that does NOT play the "bill says" and "boris says" game http://techrights.org/2021/05/10/bill-says/ [19:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Bill, Whats Your Opinion? | Techrights [19:16] techrights-bot/fn 6 steps to reduce SRE toil https://searchitoperations.techtarget.com/tip/6-steps-to-reduce-SRE-toil #searchitoperations | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/22/#latest [19:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-searchitoperations.techtarget.com | 6 steps to reduce SRE toil [19:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [19:18] techrights-bot/fn #Google is just mimicking #GNU / #Linux ('proper'), poorly. Just wipe #ChromeOS and install a real distro. It would do far more than the malicious OS made by (and for) Gulag. https://www.androidpolice.com/2021/06/21/chromeos-is-getting-an-old-school-feature-to-make-you-even-more-productive/ [19:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpolice.com | Chrome OS is getting old-school cool with an upcoming productivity feature [19:19] techrights-bot/fn "This Raspberry Pipowered replica runs all the original PDP-8 software with enough cycles left to double as a media server" https://spectrum.ieee.org/geek-life/hands-on/put-the-classic-pdp8-minicomputer-on-your-shelf #ieee #spectrum | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/22/#latest [19:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-spectrum.ieee.org | Full Page Reload [19:22] techrights-bot/fn #Nvidia Jetson chips make IoT devices vulnerable to attack | IT PRO https://www.itpro.co.uk/security/vulnerability/359961/nvidia-jetson-chips-make-iot-devices-vulnerable-to-attack #itpro | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/22/#latest [19:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itpro.co.uk | Nvidia Jetson chips make IoT devices vulnerable to attack | IT PRO [19:24] techrights-bot/fn "Goerzens written books about programming and operating systems and hes developed multiple programs as Free Software. Hes been a volunteer developer for the #Debian GNU/Linux operating system since the late 1990s." https://thesunflower.com/56727/news/a-higher-purpose-alumnus-john-goerzen-uses-personal-plane-to-help-others/ [19:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thesunflower.com | A higher purpose: Alumnus John Goerzen uses personal plane to help others The Sunflower [19:26] techrights-bot/fn "foundation on the #OpenZFS file system and the open source Linux-based #Debian operating system. To handle data management and storage, for example, the team used #ZFS -based file stores running on Debian-run servers with replication between sites." https://www.itprotoday.com/high-speed-storage/digital-forensics-company-modernizes-data-management [19:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itprotoday.com | Digital Forensics Company ellwood Evidence Modernizes Data Management | IT Pro [19:32] techrights-bot/fn TIL #BSD is also Banking Supervision Departments (BSD) in #Pakistan https://www.brecorder.com/news/40101916/risk-based-supervisory-framework-restructuring-of-bsd-announced [19:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.brecorder.com | Risk-based supervisory framework: Restructuring of BSD announced - Business Recorder [19:33] techrights-bot/fn #blackduck still refusing to disclose holes in anything #microsoft will picking (now) on #Zephyr for a mere DoS flaw over #Bluetooth ... #synopsys as a Microsoft proxy: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Black_Duck [19:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Black Duck - Techrights [19:34] techrights-bot/fn #blackduck still refusing to disclose holes in anything #microsoft while picking (now) on #Zephyr for a mere DoS flaw over #Bluetooth ... #synopsys as a Microsoft proxy: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Black_Duck [19:35] techrights-bot/fn "Welcome to the latest Register Debate in which writers discuss technology topics, and you the reader choose the winning argument. The format is simple: we propose a motion, the arguments for the motion will run this Monday and Wednesday, and the arguments against on Tuesday and Thursday." https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/21/containers_vs_vm_for_mon/ [19:35] *verbose has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | VMs were a fad fit for the Great Recession. Containers time has finally come The Register [19:37] KindOne/fn XRevan86, a lot of people that join certain channels are out of the loop [19:37] techrights-bot/fn #Nvidia Jetson Security Risks http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152561 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nvidia Jetson Security Risks | Tux Machines [19:37] XRevan86 KindOne: Indeed they are. cc: schestowitz [19:38] techrights-bot/fn #KDE Plasma 5.22.2 Released with Better Flatpak and Wayland Support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152560 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Plasma 5.22.2 Released with Better Flatpak and Wayland Support | Tux Machines [19:38] techrights-bot/fn #Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152559 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:39] XRevan86 Meanwhile, today members of Pussy Riot got caught and detained all with different pretexes. [19:39] *verbose (~verbose@xm5z894qxaqia.irc) has joined #techrights [19:39] XRevan86 there are rumours that Mediazona is going to be deemed a "foreign agent", maybe there's a connection [19:39] schestowitz KindOne which channels? I don't quite follow... [19:40] schestowitz KindOne if you mean people who 'accidentally' access #techrights in LC, then maybe we can post a reminder that they're in the wrong channel [19:40] schestowitz or wrong network [19:41] XRevan86 The best way to do that is to register the channels %) [19:41] schestowitz register a channel in a network where we are NOT? [19:41] schestowitz and just to divert people elsewhere? [19:41] *XRevan86 enjoys the logical loop. [19:42] schestowitz seems like a 'dick move' [19:42] XRevan86 If it's not registered, the topic might just get wiped one way. [19:43] techrights-bot/fn #Slimbook Executive lightweight Linux laptop http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152515#comment-30019 [19:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Slimbook Executive: Lightweight Linux Ultrabook with Top-Tier Screen | Tux Machines [19:44] techrights-bot/fn Rocky Linux 8.4 is officially available to replace your CentOS deployments http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152518#comment-30020 [19:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rocky Linux 8.4 Released For RHEL 8.4 / CentOS Alternative | Tux Machines [19:44] XRevan86 one day [19:45] schestowitz that's OK [19:45] schestowitz but invigorates all this is confusion [19:46] schestowitz freenode turning into ashtray and for some people freenode turning into another domain name [19:46] schestowitz and then they access the wrong things [19:46] XRevan86 some being the absolute majority [19:46] schestowitz I could post daily reminders in FN and CN to tell people about this network [19:48] XRevan86 Not a bad idea, but it has pitfalls. [19:51] XRevan86 Namely, if voice is to be allowed, then they'll just be what ye say the channel on LC is right now. [19:51] techrights-bot/fn It's noteworthy that even months down the line #googleNews still syndicates #plagiarism sites like #bollyinside and no matter if it gets reported to #google they don't seem to be actually staffed to handle it. This Gulag of a company just really doesn't care. [19:51] XRevan86 And if not, then the freenode ops will just take it over. [19:55] DaemonFC The Freenode/Matrix bridge is still completely dead. [19:55] techrights-bot/fn Ah, gawd... (link omitted) sites explaining to people how to run #wordpress from #wsl ... where does one begin to address how awfully dumb a thing that is to do? #wsl2 and other crap (with small 'g') never actually found a purpose. It's a miniscule niche. #microsoft ATTACK on GNU/Linux. [19:56] techrights-bot/fn #Mozilla should just disable this by default, but #Firefox isn't about the users anymore https://itsfoss.com/disable-article-suggestions-firefox/ #www [19:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-itsfoss.com | Disable 'Recommended by Pocket' Articles Suggestion in Firefox [19:57] XRevan86 DaemonFC: I heard that Matrix.org wants to bring it up, so it's suspicious that they still haven't. The problem is probably not on their end. [19:58] techrights-bot/fn "In this video, I am going to show how to install Oracle Linux 8.4." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3GTcdu6PSk better not give #oracle control though. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Oracle [19:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to install Oracle Linux 8.4 - YouTube [19:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Oracle - Techrights [19:59] XRevan86 DaemonFC: Considering that even people with actual IRC clients have troubles connecting, something as big as Matrix.org is almost hopeless. [19:59] XRevan86 and as a part of Big FOSS ooof [19:59] KindOne/fn schestowitz, I'm helping migrate 17 channels with a combined total of 200 - 250 different people. So far I've managed to tell about 130 of them about moving. ● Jun 22 [20:00] XRevan86 KindOne: That's dedicated. [20:04] KindOne/fn not really, just a script that matches their nick, ident, and gecos (via extended-join) and sends them a query. [20:05] schestowitz I still cannot connect [20:06] KindOne/fn You get some error message or what? [20:08] schestowitz I'll see if I can contact some people. Something like: "Hi. It's Roy. I see you're in a channel that's not ours. We actually moved to #techrights at irc.techrights.org (the IRC client needs to be configured to connect to it) which is the correct channel to use)" [20:09] schestowitz I tried with zoobab: "You must log in with services to message this user" [20:09] schestowitz so they limit direct messages [20:09] DaemonFC schestowitz, I disabled Pocket and Telemetry and Experiments and DoH and all sorts of things on Firefox. [20:10] techrights-bot/fn Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152562 [20:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [20:11] techrights-bot/fn #HowTo Install #Ubuntu 21.04 Hirsute Hippo [Absolute Beginners Guide] http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152563 #gnu #linux [20:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to Install Ubuntu 21.04 Hirsute Hippo [Absolute Beginner's Guide] | Tux Machines [20:11] techrights-bot/fn #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152564 #Linux #TuxMachines [20:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [20:17] techrights-bot/fn #AMD releases #FidelityFX Super Resolution, source code dropping mid-July https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/amd-releases-fidelityfx-super-resolution-source-code-dropping-mid-july [20:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AMD releases FidelityFX Super Resolution, source code dropping mid-July | GamingOnLinux [20:18] techrights-bot/fn #NVIDIA Posts 470 #Linux Driver Beta With Better #Wayland Support, #DLSS + Improved PRIME - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-Releases-DLSS-Linux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/nvidia-4704201-for-linux-adds-dlss-for-proton-xwayland-asynchronous-reprojection [20:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NVIDIA Posts 470 Linux Driver Beta With Better Wayland Support, DLSS + Improved PRIME - Phoronix [20:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NVIDIA 470.42.01 for Linux adds DLSS for Proton, Xwayland, asynchronous reprojection | GamingOnLinux [20:18] gustaf schestowitz: Libera or Freenode? [20:19] techrights-bot/fn #Nvidia #DLSS has arrived on #Linux will this tempt gamers to switch from #vista10 h https://www.techradar.com/in/news/nvidia-dlss-has-arrived-on-linux-will-this-tempt-gamers-to-switch-from-windows-10 [20:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nvidia DLSS has arrived on Linux will this tempt gamers to switch from Windows 10? | TechRadar [20:20] techrights-bot/fn Ricardo Garcia: VK_EXT_multi_draw released for #Vulkan https://rg3.name/202106210630.html #graphics #linux [20:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rg3.name | Geek Blight - VK_EXT_multi_draw released for Vulkan [20:21] schestowitz I tried contacting zoobab over webchat of lc [20:21] schestowitz cannot even send message [20:21] XRevan86 gustaf: freenode [20:22] schestowitz freenode does not even let me connect lol [20:22] schestowitz which only reaffirms my views about such networks [20:22] schestowitz you're at the mercy of someone else [20:22] schestowitz they z-lined a bunch of clients [20:23] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [20:26] CrystalMath schestowitz: you're z-lined? [20:26] CrystalMath possibly too many connections [20:31] schestowitz nothing that wasn't done before the new management [20:31] schestowitz or before they canned the old systems [20:32] CrystalMath the connection limit is reduced because of bot attacks [20:32] schestowitz can you name some hostnames? [20:32] CrystalMath it worked to stop the bots [20:32] schestowitz so I can leap in directly past the load balanced/ha [20:32] schestowitz *cer [20:33] schestowitz I feel 'canceled' [20:33] CrystalMath rinnegan.freenode.net [20:33] CrystalMath capelle.freenode.net [20:33] schestowitz [20:33] [Error] Connection to server rinnegan.freenode.net (port 6697) lost: The remote host closed the connection. [20:34] CrystalMath want me to contact staff? [20:34] schestowitz capelle.freenode.net worked ok again [20:34] schestowitz I'm back in [20:35] CrystalMath okay :) [20:35] schestowitz you need to tell them people get locked out [20:35] CrystalMath too many connections probably if you run the bots [20:35] schestowitz and that it includes legit longtime users with username/password and all [20:35] CrystalMath don't exceed 5 from the same IP under any circumstances [20:35] XRevan86 There are no longtime users on the new freenode :) [20:35] schestowitz back to posting links now [20:35] CrystalMath that's an instant Z-lined [20:35] CrystalMath *Z-line [20:35] MinceR XRevan86: there indeed are longtime users on freenode [20:36] schestowitz XRevan86: touche [20:36] schestowitz same for LC [20:36] KindOne/fn feature suggestion: command so the bot does not relay crap: " ``` message to stay on this network " [20:36] XRevan86 MinceR: Check the registration date. [20:36] MinceR XRevan86: registration date is irrelevant [20:36] KindOne/fn ... I don't know if the bot has that or not [20:36] XRevan86 MinceR: Sure :) [20:36] schestowitz this article aged well http://techrights.org/2021/05/08/communication-channels-cancel-mobbed/ [20:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Pro-Software Freedom Advocates and Free/Libre Software Supporters Face Barriers Due to Domination of Communication Channels (Beyond the Media) | Techrights [20:36] schestowitz predates all the mess [20:37] schestowitz shows how Free software is being undermines through means of comms [20:37] KindOne/fn I know a few bots that used registration dates to verify the nick of whoever is/was using commands [20:37] MinceR i know of a few irc networks where you couldn't register a nick even if you wanted to [20:37] schestowitz FN and LC divide some people along political lines [20:37] CrystalMath schestowitz: tbh i now realize how rbraun was right all along about OFTC [20:37] KindOne/fn im on EFnet [20:37] schestowitz this was not a problem before [20:37] schestowitz that's why I want neither side [20:38] KindOne/fn At least the right wing nut cases are staying on freenode [20:38] schestowitz CrystalMath: OFTC is the "Fanta" of "old Freenode" Coke staff [20:38] CrystalMath KindOne: and the moonbats are on liberia [20:38] MinceR lol [20:38] schestowitz It's not freenode... yet it is [20:38] CrystalMath well OFTC is considerably worse than the old freenode :P [20:39] MinceR The Freenodeless Freenode [20:39] CrystalMath not only does it have freaking Neil McGovern [20:39] CrystalMath it also requires google captcha for registration [20:39] XRevan86 schestowitz: It only divides along political lines for the extremes. [20:39] CrystalMath and doesn't support SASL [20:39] KindOne/fn >moonbats [20:39] KindOne/fn you simpleton [20:39] XRevan86 schestowitz: The "normies" are not divided. [20:39] CrystalMath KindOne: you retard [20:39] KindOne/fn oftc plans to have sasl support when they switch to solanum and atheme [20:39] schestowitz lol [20:39] schestowitz weird to lack that [20:39] MinceR [20:39] schestowitz for a network that big [20:40] schestowitz and they mock us for having 'only' a self-signed tls cert in tr [20:40] schestowitz and now handing it over to ZemlinTrust(TM) [20:40] schestowitz (LE) [20:40] schestowitz technically techrights does suport https now [20:40] activelow had implemented some self-made certificate fingerprint matching with irssi to avoid the hazzle with hostnames and cert validation [20:41] schestowitz but Google et al (even Mozgool) are shouting and screaming [20:41] CrystalMath irc.techrights.org has no problem with SASL [20:41] activelow it is noteworthy some simple trusted certificate store isn't easily implemented [20:41] CrystalMath but of course for a network run by Neil McGovern everything is a problem [20:41] CrystalMath even a minimize button [20:41] schestowitz CrystalMath: what colour is neil's hair? [20:41] schestowitz more important than security [20:41] CrystalMath i really don't know, i never bothered to look at a picture of him [20:42] schestowitz i was joking because of his deputy (former ) [20:42] schestowitz does neil maintain any important project? I never checked.. [20:42] CrystalMath gnome [20:42] CrystalMath oh wait [20:42] schestowitz I only know him for his ant-RMS blog posts [20:42] CrystalMath you said "important" [20:42] CrystalMath nevermind [20:42] schestowitz haha [20:42] KindOne/fn At least oftc plans on keeping their services db when they upgrade [20:43] schestowitz IBM recently gave more money to neil [20:43] schestowitz KindOne that's a low bar to aim for [20:43] schestowitz l0de corp. is easy competition [20:43] MinceR low bar is where it's at for alleged "FLOSS" irc networks :> [20:44] schestowitz BTW, ALLLLLLLL the links in techrights ever posted still work [20:44] KindOne/fn resetting all nick and channel registration was without the most annoying thing [20:44] schestowitz since 2006 [20:44] schestowitz inc. images, wiki etc. [20:44] schestowitz same in schestowitz.com since 2002 [20:44] schestowitz some people just get all funky and decide to abolish old URLs [20:44] KindOne/fn resetting all nick and channel registration was without a doubt the most annoying thing [20:44] schestowitz like SPAMnil [20:45] schestowitz muktware->themukt->linuxveda->tfir.io [20:45] schestowitz he seems to think his problem is the domain name [20:45] schestowitz and keeps changing it [20:45] schestowitz there are more in between, but I forgot them [20:45] schestowitz many news sites die this way [20:45] schestowitz they break ALL the old URLs with a CMS change ('upgrade') [20:46] schestowitz and then all their past work becomes shelved or impossible to index [20:46] KindOne/fn wtf is l0de corp? [20:46] schestowitz then traffic comes to zero and then shut down [20:46] schestowitz seen that many times before.. [20:46] schestowitz KindOne the interview reference [20:46] schestowitz after watching that interview I realised I had wasted time giving Lee the benefit of the doubt [20:47] schestowitz I even got some email joking at me... for things I wrote about the new management a month ago [20:47] schestowitz they deserves the laugh... at my expense [20:47] KindOne/fn That was the best thing he has done to help move the sane people to other networks. [20:47] schestowitz I was wrong about how it would turn out eventually... but was optimistic [20:48] schestowitz KindOne the interview? [20:48] schestowitz would not surprise me [20:48] schestowitz the more people watch it, the quicker they'll run out of active channels [20:48] activelow that's done already [20:48] activelow i remain sceptical about LC [20:48] activelow the nonsense story told it was only some christel who had known anything [20:48] schestowitz activelow: try to promote self-hosting [20:49] schestowitz in all contexts, not just irc [20:49] activelow some staff recommending /msg nickserv drop [20:49] schestowitz self-hosting is not expensive [20:49] schestowitz and people learn skills in the process [20:49] activelow that's ok, of cause [20:49] CrystalMath i really didn't like l0de insulting christel [20:49] CrystalMath she was the only sane staff member on pre-2021 freenode [20:49] CrystalMath the only remaining one [20:49] schestowitz I didn't watch it but saw people mention it in IRC [20:49] *psymin nods. [20:50] schestowitz christel seemed very amicable [20:50] schestowitz if he resorted to insulting based on looks, shame on him [20:50] schestowitz and Lee didn't intervene to protect her? [20:50] CrystalMath no, Lee ignored that [20:50] CrystalMath just said "no" to it and then said normal stuff [20:50] CrystalMath btu he didn't get angry at l0de for it [20:50] KindOne/fn I have a transcript of it if you want to grep it. [20:50] schestowitz he should not go on a show like this in the first place [20:51] CrystalMath hopefully it's an accurate transcript [20:51] schestowitz KindOne: I'd publush the whole thing, but... [20:51] schestowitz bad language [20:51] schestowitz publicity for toxic stuff [20:51] schestowitz and it might enrage FN staff [20:51] schestowitz even merely giving direct quotes [20:51] CrystalMath i think Andrew Lee himself said nothing wrong [20:52] schestowitz because even they probably recognise it's a very damaging exhibit [20:52] schestowitz CrystalMath: he did [20:52] MinceR he did say some extremely stupid things [20:52] CrystalMath the part where he accidentally said africa is a country? [20:52] schestowitz maybe because CrystalMath liked Trump [20:52] schestowitz CrystalMath: accidentally? [20:52] KindOne/fn Transcript: https://0bin.net/paste/lCIr+Tlr#k6n2gM9nhFnk59N8LelTxspHAbitkCtG0ty0Mw+CJVo [20:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-0bin.net | 0bin - encrypted pastebin [20:52] schestowitz don't think so [20:52] MinceR that was one [20:52] schestowitz it's a Palin [20:52] MinceR also where he said cheeto hitler was such a great president [20:53] CrystalMath "Please enable javascript" [20:53] CrystalMath can someone put that in a non-moonbat pastebin? [20:53] schestowitz KindOne saved aside, thank you [20:53] schestowitz it might come handy in the future [20:53] CrystalMath schestowitz: it's locked [20:53] MinceR yeah, these end-to-end encrypted pastebins rely on javascript to decrypt [20:54] MinceR not that this does much, considering that the server still sees the cryptotext and the key [20:54] schestowitz MinceR: he said it several tims [20:54] KindOne/fn don't thank me, other people created it. [20:54] schestowitz in very unhelpful words, too [20:54] XRevan86 activelow: "some staff recommending /msg nickserv drop" they were afraid of the new management, and that wasn't unreasonable [20:54] CrystalMath oh dammit, okay, i'll use openssl [20:54] schestowitz like "greatest ever president" [20:54] schestowitz "Im pretty non-political, but as a leader for the United States of America, President Donald Trump was the one, and these fuckers who stole that shit, you know, like, karmas gonna, you know, everything comes around, you know what I mean? Like, they can - they can temporarily halt freedom, but its not - its gonna just keep pushing through. You know?" [20:54] MinceR XRevan86: "oh no, the password i didn't use anywhere else might be compromised!" [20:54] CrystalMath schestowitz: i should check this log to make sure it hasn't been altered by moonbats [20:55] CrystalMath just hold on while i get the contents decrypted with openssl [20:55] XRevan86 MinceR: And some logging in history. [20:55] schestowitz "these fuckers who stole that shit" = reference to 2020 election [20:55] schestowitz rhetoric that got insurrection going, a coup against the US gov. [20:55] activelow XRevan86: with this command plaintext password could be sent to this management [20:55] KindOne/fn Why would anyone modify this channel log... a copy is being uploaded to the site [20:55] CrystalMath schestowitz: and the US government is so sacred [20:56] schestowitz it's bad enough without any editing [20:56] CrystalMath let's not *dare* to spread wrongthink that could get them toppled [20:56] activelow /disconnect sure, drop nick no. [20:56] schestowitz do a wordcount on "shit" and "pussy" [20:56] CrystalMath schestowitz: you know there were rappers on the other line too [20:56] schestowitz I don't want our techrights channels managed by "shit pussy" men [20:56] CrystalMath they said most of the bad words, behind l0de [20:57] KindOne/fn The election was not stolen. The correct term you are looking for is voter turnout. 66.1% of people that could vote, voted. [20:57] MinceR XRevan86: the last time you logged in/out? [20:57] CrystalMath KindOne/fn: i'm not saying it's stolen i'm saying it's okay to say whatever [20:58] techrights-bot/fn #PanVK Merged Into Mesa 21.2 For Open-Source #Vulkan Driver With Arm Mali GPUs - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=PanVK-Lands-In-Mesa #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux [20:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-PanVK Merged Into Mesa 21.2 For Open-Source Vulkan Driver With Arm Mali GPUs - Phoronix [20:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 45.78 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 80.56 swarm size (avg): 309.03 [20:59] XRevan86 MinceR: and possibly some other, I think there's more ● Jun 22 [21:00] MinceR XRevan86: what else does NickServ log about you? [21:00] XRevan86 MinceR: Ariadne should know more. [21:00] XRevan86 she's the expert, I'm an IRC dummy :) [21:00] schestowitz we'd lucky to have her helping is, and iirc she offered gnu/fsf the same with irc [21:01] MinceR unfortunately the FSF prefers to throw itself at the mercy of its own enemies [21:01] schestowitz I hope the redirect of fsf/gnu for irc will some day be pointing to a real self-hosted info of theits [21:01] schestowitz ruben is leaving, so they have a sysadmin shortage atm [21:01] schestowitz MinceR: I told RMS [21:01] schestowitz he responded [21:01] schestowitz he saw it as a temporary thing amid many "crises" (his word) [21:01] schestowitz so he's open to the idea of self-hosting [21:02] schestowitz also, to gemini [21:03] techrights-bot/fn Lot of work ongoing in the background (today around midnight #techrights plans to publish another big expose about #epo and, failing that self-imposed deadline, some time tomorrow) [21:03] schestowitz XRevan86: s/n ratio improved a lot [21:04] schestowitz and -social is also move active, as it helps stave off less relevant topics but still give them air time [21:04] schestowitz I have been logged in, for the first time, to LC, over web client [21:04] schestowitz not a single line of activity for like 5 hours now. nothing. [21:05] schestowitz it's just a bunch of people logged in, cannot really see actual value in that and half the people there (total 31) I don't know [21:05] XRevan86 schestowitz: No trolls conspiring? :) [21:05] schestowitz they can become those people who drag us down [21:05] MinceR they're conspiring on illibera [21:05] schestowitz with discussions like, "you guys are extreme" [21:06] schestowitz XRevan86: no, not at the moment anyway, and like I said I know nothing about those people [21:06] schestowitz 10+ years ago #phoronix on #freenode was active [21:06] schestowitz then it became a dead zone [21:06] schestowitz many people online [21:06] XRevan86 schestowitz: The majority probably just heard about techrights and is lurking. [21:07] schestowitz but nothing said, just joins and exits, with all the real action in phoronix forums [21:07] XRevan86 They don't even advertise having an IRC channel. [21:09] schestowitz not anymore [21:09] schestowitz they use to publish logs of #phoronix [21:09] schestowitz I remember very well [21:09] schestowitz and i used to chat with michael over there [21:10] schestowitz before the network died, 10+ years later [21:10] schestowitz https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-foundation-partners-with-microsoft-and-target-to-create-standards-for-voice-technology/ [21:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Foundation partners with Microsoft and Target to create standards for voice technology | ZDNet [21:10] schestowitz LF is dead [21:11] MinceR they're milking that trademark for everything it's worth [21:12] schestowitz exactly [21:12] schestowitz until it is dead, alienating, meaningless [21:12] schestowitz I already don't use the L word much [21:12] schestowitz it stands for things I am against [21:13] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/05/31/linux-brand-killed-by-lf/ [21:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Has Killed the Linux Brand (in Pursuit of Short-Term Profits) | Techrights [21:14] schestowitz https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/linux-foundation-introduces-open-voice-network-to-prioritize-trust-and-interoperability-in-a-voice-based-digital-future-301317466.html [21:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | Linux Foundation Introduces Open Voice Network to Prioritize Trust and Interoperability in a Voice-Based Digital Future [21:14] schestowitz https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/linux-foundation-launches-gitops-training-301317507.html [21:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | Linux Foundation Launches GitOps Training [21:14] schestowitz I am going to do a video about this [21:14] schestowitz LF has become far too easy to ridicule at this point [21:14] schestowitz they totally expose themselves [21:14] schestowitz "Smile Linus.... we'll pay your salary" [21:14] activelow is torvalds the trademark holder? [21:14] schestowitz he is [21:16] activelow wasn't aware, i could follow with some of his pragmatism, and the alternative to Linux is none only [21:17] CrystalMath schestowitz: you know about the new LF vaccine passport? [21:18] schestowitz I covered it [21:18] schestowitz even yesterday [21:18] schestowitz I even recorded 20+ minutes with sound not working [21:18] schestowitz had to redo it [21:18] schestowitz bbiab [21:19] techrights-bot/fn Design the #LibreOffice Conference 2021 logo! https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/06/22/design-the-libreoffice-conference-2021-logo/ [21:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.documentfoundation.org | Design the LibreOffice Conference 2021 logo! - The Document Foundation Blog [21:20] techrights-bot/fn #Graphics : PanVK, NVIDIA, and AMD http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152565 [21:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics: PanVK, NVIDIA, and AMD | Tux Machines [21:23] schestowitz What's his background? https://linuxfoundation.org/press-release/the-linux-foundation-appoints-industry-veteran-as-chief-marketing-officer/ [21:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxfoundation.org | The Linux Foundation Appoints Industry Veteran as Chief Marketing Officer - Linux Foundation [21:23] schestowitz zemlin's name shows up [21:24] schestowitz "Were happy to announce that IBM and Microsoft are making data sets available today using CDLA-Permissive-2.0." https://linuxfoundation.org/press-release/enabling-easier-collaboration-on-open-data-for-ai-and-ml-with-cdla-permissive-20/ [21:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxfoundation.org | Enabling Easier Collaboration on Open Data for AI and ML with CDLA-Permissive-2.0 - Linux Foundation [21:24] schestowitz hahaha [21:25] *XRevan86 is thinking about one thing: should I participate in elections from now one forward? [21:25] XRevan86 It feels silly. [21:26] gustaf depends on where you live I gess [21:26] XRevan86 gustaf: Russia [21:26] gustaf ah [21:33] schestowitz second thought: no need for video, I can do this better as text [21:34] schestowitz also, rianne went to sleep, if I record it'll interfere [21:34] schestowitz XRevan86: saw no activity in LC, logged out [21:34] schestowitz it's just a zombie channel [21:34] XRevan86 United Russia prepared well for the next elections. [21:34] XRevan86 making sure they don't matter [21:36] activelow are voters registered if they joined an election? in germany voters are registered, AND their participation is registered *individually* too. [21:36] XRevan86 activelow: Only the passport is needed. [21:37] activelow XRevan86: ironic, this is in compliance with constitution while german elections aren't. [21:37] XRevan86 one comes to the polling place, puts a sign in the list near the password number, takes a ballot and casts it [21:38] XRevan86 * a signature [21:38] activelow an election must remain secret, and not voting too had to remain so, secret, since the choice to not vote is a choice too. [21:38] techrights-bot/fn #Security -Focused Tutanota Mails Linux Desktop Application is Now Available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152566 [21:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security-Focused Tutanota Mails Linux Desktop Application is Now Available | Tux Machines [21:38] XRevan86 I don't agree, participation must be recorded to avoid voting fraud. [21:38] gustaf that sounds like a weird interpretation of voting rules [21:39] activelow i explicitely chose to NOT vote for any of this, yet non-presence is registered likewise presence is. [21:39] techrights-bot/fn Google uses its money (LF, Mozilla) to impose Rust on Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152399#comment-30022 http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ [21:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Pressure Grows for Rust in Linux | Tux Machines [21:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights [21:39] gustaf every eligible voter in Sweden gets a voting card in the mail before an election [21:40] gustaf and it's presented at the polling place [21:40] XRevan86 It doesn't matter all that much if they know who's voted and who hasn't. [21:40] gustaf so ofc if you don't vote that can be recorded [21:40] activelow best option is to go vote, and pass an invalid one, although this doesn't express my will either, i didn't support non-democratic elections at all. [21:40] gustaf but that's fine [21:40] gustaf because it's not like Australia where voting is compulsory [21:40] XRevan86 Non-democratic elections have an interesting quality: they can just draw 95% participation regardless. [21:41] activelow and not participating in an election being registered *individually* is in violation of the constitution, in germany at least. [21:41] XRevan86 not checking for who has or hasn't voted is a property of non-democratic elections as they really don't want anyone to be able to check [21:42] activelow they could check without marking any single individual [21:43] activelow since voters are already registered individually, that's ok. it is ok too registration card is invalidated once voted. it is NOT ok to register participation individually. [21:43] activelow since NOT-voting for any of the undemocratic nonsense is a choice too. [21:44] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [21:44] activelow and such a voter's choice must remain secret according to the consitution, which german elections violate to begin with. [21:44] XRevan86 And now voting through Gosuslugi is a thing too. [21:44] XRevan86 and it's such an incredible field for fraud I don't even [21:45] gustaf what is Gosuslugi ? [21:45] CrystalMath schestowitz: there is a mistake in the transcript [21:45] XRevan86 Govservices [21:46] CrystalMath a sentence from Lil Pump misattributed to Andrew Lee [21:46] XRevan86 An Internet portal with all kinds of governmental stuff. [21:46] XRevan86 soon every new born will have an account there [21:46] XRevan86 (that's for real) [21:46] gustaf ok so you logon and can vote there? [21:46] gustaf amazing [21:47] gustaf how do you ID? e-sig? [21:47] XRevan86 gustaf: passport [21:47] MinceR it's amazing how you can vote when votes are meaningless, isn't it? :> [21:47] gustaf XRevan86: ok [21:48] gustaf like... enter the passport number? [21:48] XRevan86 gustaf: Make an account, attach identification, then one can vote. [21:48] gustaf yeah that sounds sketchy as heck :( [21:49] XRevan86 people get hacked and voting unknowingly all the time now [21:49] gustaf I believe voting was compulsory in the USSR [21:49] activelow in east-germany it was suspicious already to enter the cabin to secretly vote [21:49] XRevan86 gustaf: It wasn't. [21:50] gustaf XRevan86: I was misinformed then [21:50] gustaf just this weird urban legend that went around [21:50] XRevan86 but there were all kinds of perks someone who shows up was getting [21:51] gustaf I see [21:51] XRevan86 like sausage :) [21:51] gustaf I've been discussing elections in IRan with a coworker [21:51] gustaf apparently they're quite open [21:51] activelow nowadays the only relevant choice is participation or none, and such *individual* choice isn't at least kept secret to remain compliant with the constitution, individual voters choices must remain secret. [21:51] gustaf ofc the state decides *who* can stand for election [21:52] MinceR ah, just like the eastern bloc [21:52] gustaf yeah [21:52] XRevan86 activelow: If ye can design a system that can uphold that and is accountable, go ahead. [21:52] gustaf to stand for parlaiment oyu have to have a degree [21:52] schestowitz MinceR: care to read a draft? [21:52] activelow XRevan86: it is trivial, in non-electronic form. [21:52] MinceR yes [21:52] gustaf and ofc the state decides who can graduate ... [21:52] schestowitz hang on, thanks [21:53] XRevan86 activelow: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_fraud#Ballot_stuffing [21:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Electoral fraud - Wikipedia [21:54] activelow XRevan86: they individually mark an individual voter in a spreadsheet. they already do collect/invalidate the registartion card for verification. [21:55] XRevan86 activelow: So, what do ye want instead? A million anons showing up mysteriously with a million ballots for United Russia? [21:55] activelow XRevan86: nothing. [21:55] XRevan86 activelow: Very true, supreme leader for the win. [21:56] activelow XRevan86: it is OK to be registered invidually and be verified indvidually. it is OK to invaldiate registration cards. it is NOT ok to record indivudals in the spreadsheet. [21:56] XRevan86 I think I'm just not getting this whole registration card system. [21:57] schestowitz MinceR: http://techrights.org/2021/06/22/lf-partners-with-microsoft/ typos for sure! [21:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Partners With Microsoft Again | Techrights ● Jun 22 [22:00] MinceR schestowitz: i'm not sure if there's such a thing as 'vendoring off' [22:01] schestowitz I'm not sure either [22:01] schestowitz how would you put it [22:01] MinceR not sure what you're trying to say [22:01] MinceR "zemlin is selling an illusion of trust", perhaps? [22:03] MinceR "little but a marketing apparatus" -> "little more than a marketing apparatus", perhaps [22:04] MinceR lol @ "the Linux Foundation AI" (from ibm) [22:05] schestowitz yup [22:05] schestowitz BS [22:05] schestowitz pure BS [22:05] MinceR also, wiktionary tells me that "recognise" is "non-Oxford British spelling" [22:05] MinceR that's all i've found [22:05] schestowitz I integrated your suggestions, thanks [22:06] MinceR np [22:06] schestowitz i might do a video about this once more puff pieces are available [22:06] schestowitz paid-for fluff [22:06] schestowitz hey hi [22:06] schestowitz everything, [22:06] schestowitz Microsoft.... LINUX [22:07] techrights-bot/fn #LinuxFoundation Partners With #Microsoft Again http://techrights.org/2021/06/22/lf-partners-with-microsoft/ #zemlinPAC #sellout #linux [22:07] schestowitz it's guranteed the puff pieces will come until friday [22:07] schestowitz then I can refer to the text and do a video [22:07] schestowitz those charlatans and liar [22:07] schestowitz *liars [22:08] XFaCE >THE Linux Foundation is going to find itself in the same situation Freenode is in. [22:08] XFaCE Difference is the corporate approval [22:08] schestowitz wanna be rich? [22:08] schestowitz Become a charlatan and liar like Zemlin [22:08] MinceR http://www.mslinux.org/ [22:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mslinux.org | Microsoft Linux - the premier linux distro [22:08] schestowitz XFaCE: yes, true [22:08] XFaCE MinceR: classic [22:08] schestowitz it's not a great analogy [22:08] MinceR :) [22:08] schestowitz a timely analogy though [22:08] schestowitz the commonality is [22:08] schestowitz you alienate the key/core people [22:08] schestowitz userbase [22:09] schestowitz and don't care [22:09] schestowitz you think only the brand matters [22:09] schestowitz guess what [22:09] schestowitz OSI is dead [22:09] schestowitz LF might be next [22:09] XFaCE A better analogy would be a supposedly ethical advocate turned politician who fully accepts the will of bureaucracy [22:09] schestowitz does anyone here want to email TOrvalds? [22:09] schestowitz I have his email address, it's not even hard to find [22:09] schestowitz ask him what he thinks of his brand being used for Microsoft proprietary PR [22:10] XFaCE "just for fun" [22:10] MinceR save him from his blackmailers first if you want a straight answer [22:10] techrights-bot/fn #linuxfoundation : DEFUNCT DEFUNCT DEFUNCT... killing #linux (the brand) for money... milking it off... till death. http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation [22:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights [22:10] XFaCE pretty much [22:11] schestowitz they watch his email [22:11] schestowitz he does not use encryption [22:11] schestowitz linuxfoundation.org [22:11] schestowitz santa is Microsoft [22:11] schestowitz 'naughty' Linux [22:11] schestowitz Linus [22:11] schestowitz "don't you ever respond to Roy again" [22:11] MinceR :> [22:11] XFaCE It's basically a foundation in the same way rich oligarchs have foundations [22:12] XFaCE I wonder how much tax shenanigans go on at the LF [22:12] techrights-bot/fn #linux works for #nsa by proxy now. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA [22:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights [22:12] XFaCE That and Red Hat's NSA connections [22:13] techrights-bot/fn #linux is not a community anymore, #gnu still is. That's why #corporateMedia ignores it and occasionally attacks its founder by defaming him. [22:14] techrights-bot/fn So-called "Linux" Foundation is "basically a foundation in the same way rich oligarchs have foundations" - XFaCE in #techrights http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation [22:14] schestowitz XFaCE: it's lots of tax evasion [22:14] schestowitz not just for salaries [22:14] schestowitz but also contracts for marketing [22:14] schestowitz tax exempt [22:14] schestowitz XFaCE: yes, I didn't say our articles about Red Hat and NSA are any less relevant [22:14] schestowitz and IBM is worse than Red Hat [22:15] schestowitz their affairs with the intel 'community' goes way back [22:15] schestowitz to the World Wars [22:15] XFaCE Oh, it was just to emphasize how bad things are [22:15] schestowitz they even has "IBM Corps" in the army [22:15] schestowitz D-Day invasion [22:15] XFaCE and of course IBM is red hat now, just another spiral down the void [22:15] schestowitz to take back their Hollerith machines [22:15] schestowitz red hat lost credibility [22:16] schestowitz IBM works with Microsoft more closely than Red Hat ever did [22:16] schestowitz also Apple [22:16] XFaCE Actually, the LF is worse than those foundations, because with those you have malicious individuals making malicious foundations... what you see is what you get, GIGO [22:16] XFaCE But Linus part in Linux isn't like those individuals [22:17] schestowitz at age 51 people cares less [22:17] schestowitz needs to pay for 3 kids [22:17] schestowitz and retire safely one day [22:17] XFaCE Yeah but even then he isn't in the oligarch class [22:17] schestowitz maybe some event will change his mind, but he's already surrounded by LF-filtered people [22:17] XFaCE What I'm emphasising is that the LF takes a good name and taints [22:17] schestowitz blinders on [22:17] XFaCE I guess lucky for him it isn't called the Torvalds Foundation [22:18] schestowitz his dad would be pissed off [22:18] XFaCE His dad is the one that spoke in regards to NDAs and the Snowden revelations and how they relate to Linus correct? [22:20] AdmFubar https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/brave-launches-its-privacy-focused-no-tracking-search-engine/ HA! Sure there is privacy! [22:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Brave launches its privacy-focused no-tracking search engine [22:20] AdmFubar https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/sonicwall-bug-that-affected-800k-firewalls-was-only-partially-fixed/ [22:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | SonicWall bug that affected 800K firewalls was only partially fixed [22:22] DaemonFC So Progressive pops up a car insurance quote and it says "We found your spouse, Timothy Armstrong." and I'm like, "Uhhh, no?". [22:22] AdmFubar this is just weird... https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/mysterious-ransomware-payment-traced-to-a-sensual-massage-site/ [22:22] AdmFubar Does this mean they got a happy ending? [22:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Mysterious ransomware payment traced to a sensual massage site [22:22] *verbose has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:23] AdmFubar software and a service or else! https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/technology/peloton-tread-owners-now-forced-into-monthly-subscription-after-recall/ [22:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Peloton Tread owners now forced into monthly subscription after recall [22:24] XFaCE schestowitz: I think the majority of positive buzz of IBM in the mainstream are video channels covering old IBM hardware like keyboards and laptops from 30+ years ago. [22:24] XFaCE (mainstream being organic popularity, not MSM) [22:27] AdmFubar https://www.darkreading.com/application-security/majority-of-web-apps-in-11-industries-are-vulnerable-all-the-time/d/d-id/1341356 [22:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.darkreading.com | Majority of Web Apps in 11 Industries Are ... [22:28] schestowitz XFaCE: something like that (Nils), yes [22:28] *verbose (~verbose@xm5z894qxaqia.irc) has joined #techrights [22:28] schestowitz re IBM, they did put the foundations for many things [22:28] schestowitz but not anymore [22:28] MinceR and even some of that was unintentional [22:29] schestowitz they also milked Jeopardy (IIRC) for Watson marketing [22:29] MinceR e.g. the PC ended up as an open platform solely because ibm didn't think they could make significant profit out of it [22:29] MinceR when they realized they could, they tried to do so with the PS/2 [22:31] AdmFubar https://www.project-disco.org/competition/062221-tech-regulatory-overhaul-series-a-discrimination-bill-against-consumers/ [22:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.project-disco.org | Tech Regulatory Overhaul Series: A Discrimination Bill Against Consumers - Disruptive Competition Project [22:31] techrights-bot/fn Links 22/6/2021: KDE Plasma 5.22.2, FreeBSD 13.0 Compared to DragonFlyBSD 6.0 http://techrights.org/2021/06/22/kde-plasma-5-22-2/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/22/kde-plasma-5-22-2/ [22:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 22/6/2021: KDE Plasma 5.22.2, FreeBSD 13.0 Compared to DragonFlyBSD 6.0 | Techrights [22:31] XFaCE There are individual designers/engineers at IBM at the time who were truly remarkable, but the historical rhetorical they were in spite of IBM's nature, not because of it [22:32] techrights-bot/fn #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152567 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [22:32] MinceR i guess that's the advantage ibm had over microsoft [22:32] techrights-bot/fn #LibreOffice Conference and Realistic Light Bulb for LibreOffices Tips of The Day http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152568 #freesw #opendocunment #TuxMachines [22:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice Conference and Realistic Light Bulb for LibreOffice's Tips of The Day | Tux Machines [22:32] MinceR ibm's corporate culture did not nullify individual engineering prowess [22:33] techrights-bot/fn #FreeSoftware Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152569 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software Leftovers | Tux Machines [22:33] techrights-bot/fn Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152570 [22:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [22:34] schestowitz MinceR: they had a monopoly [22:34] AdmFubar Ha! that wil be the day... [22:34] schestowitz and could attract some very talented people [22:34] schestowitz as a result of that monopoly [22:34] schestowitz that doesn't beget a status of "greatness" [22:34] schestowitz Google also attracted many top engs [22:34] AdmFubar ibm was built on revenge [22:35] schestowitz so Gulag managed to dominate a lot of things [22:35] schestowitz but those engs did not come from google [22:35] XFaCE Yeah, the Model M keyboard is great, but it doesn't mean IBM as a whole was great for example [22:35] schestowitz they were head-hunted by Google [22:36] AdmFubar https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-is-there-such-a-gender-gap-in-covid-19-vaccination-rates/ [22:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why Is There Such A Gender Gap In COVID-19 Vaccination Rates? | FiveThirtyEight [22:36] MinceR schestowitz: sure, but is there a microshit equivalent to the ThinkPad or the Model F or Model M keyboards? [22:36] XFaCE Some of their game controllers [22:36] XFaCE at best [22:36] MinceR their overrated mice? [22:36] techrights-bot/fn Chris Titus Tech doing some spammy marketing again. #youtube has become 50% shite even if you subscribe to "good" channels. They get seduced and try to 'monetise'... #socialcontrolmedia #misinformation #spam [22:37] XFaCE MinceR: or comparing OS/2 to Windows 3.x in the software arena [22:38] MinceR they were both rotten, afaict [22:39] AdmFubar os/2 was rather good, it was ms that had a smear campaign against it. [22:39] XFaCE And it had higher resource requirements at the time [22:39] AdmFubar https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/your-phones-not-listening-to-your-conversations-you-are-likely-giving-it-the-information-it-needs-9742381.html [22:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Your phone's not listening to your conversations, you are likely giving it the information it needs- Technology News, Firstpost [22:40] techrights-bot/fn "In an alternate universe, we still have 320x240px displays." https://blog.jimmac.eu/2021/pixels/ [22:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.jimmac.eu | Pixels - Even a Stopped Clock [22:40] AdmFubar yeah... but who developed it for ibm? [22:40] XFaCE well by the time 2.0, IBM [22:40] schestowitz AdmFubar: lol, they make vaccines a gender issue now [22:40] XFaCE They had creative control over the product [22:40] schestowitz let me guess what next [22:40] AdmFubar microsoft did development for it.. [22:40] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:41] XFaCE Yes they did, but 2.0 was a very thorough rewrite by IBM [22:41] AdmFubar yeah they got it away from ms but the damage was done [22:41] XFaCE fair enough [22:42] AdmFubar it is the one thing nice ms did... out "ibm" ,ibm [22:42] MinceR afaik OS/2 PM had a global event loop, which meant that any application could hang the entire GUI [22:42] MinceR great design! [22:43] XFaCE Windows 3.x did for sure [22:43] XFaCE time for some lazy wp research [22:43] MinceR dunno about that, bit xp finally got a workaround for window decorations using the client's event loop, making windows unmanageable if the application owning them froze [22:43] techrights-bot/fn Jim "Open Source Loves Microsoft" #Zemlin shows (or rears) his face again, and as usual its just more promotion of #marketing rubbish and #openwashing of #Microsoft http://techrights.org/2021/06/22/lf-partners-with-microsoft/ #Techrights | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/22/lf-partners-with-microsoft/ [22:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Partners With Microsoft Again | Techrights [22:43] MinceR gnome/wayland people love that design flaw so much they reinvented it [22:45] XFaCE Gnome, for when you want that minimalist interface look without the resource savings that come from using a minimalist window manger [22:45] AdmFubar https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/ban-on-mis-selling-fraudulent-flash-sales-and-other-changes-to-e-commerce-rules-proposed-by-govt-9740721.html [22:45] MinceR :> [22:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ban on mis-selling, fraudulent flash sales and other changes to e-commerce rules proposed by govt- Technology News, Firstpost [22:46] techrights-bot/fn Arduino rocks babies to sleep, gives parents a break | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/06/22/arduino-rocks-babies-to-sleep-gives-parents-a-break/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/22/#latest [22:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | Arduino rocks babies to sleep, gives parents a break | Arduino Blog [22:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [22:47] techrights-bot/fn Adding a ChaCha Cipher to #Precursor s TRNG - bunnies blog https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=6126 #bunniestudios " #Linux maintains an entropy pool that is collected from a variety of low-and-high-quality sources" [22:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bunniestudios.com | Adding a ChaCha Cipher to Precursors TRNG bunnie's blog [22:47] techrights-bot/fn This shield brings a #tictactoe game to your Arduino Mega, complete with an AI opponent | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/06/22/this-shield-brings-a-tic-tac-toe-game-to-your-arduino-mega-complete-with-an-ai-opponent/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking [22:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | This shield brings a tic-tac-toe game to your Arduino Mega, complete with an AI opponent | Arduino Blog [22:48] techrights-bot/fn Celebrating 10 years of Reps Mozilla Reps https://blog.mozilla.org/mozillareps/2021/06/22/celebrating-10-years-of-reps/ #Mozilla #WWW #FreeSW #Firefox #Internet ... "Zoom rooms" FACEPALM! [22:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Celebrating 10 years of Reps Mozilla Reps [22:49] techrights-bot/fn Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152571 [22:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [22:49] techrights-bot/fn TC39 meeting, May 25-26 2021 | #SpiderMonkey #JavaScript / #WebAssembly Engine https://spidermonkey.dev/blog/2021/06/15/tc39.html #mozilla [22:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-spidermonkey.dev | TC39 meeting, May 25-26 2021 | SpiderMonkey JavaScript/WebAssembly Engine [22:50] techrights-bot/fn "In this lengthy video, I go over some of the changes I would make with #Ubuntu (with GNOME) if I were using it as my daily driver. I don't make drastic changes like swapping out the desktop environment. I just tweak some of the things that are already there." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b-xQkRWHjQ [22:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Taking Ubuntu To The Next Level - YouTube [22:51] techrights-bot/fn Your [sic] phone's not listening to your conversations, you are likely giving it the information it needs https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/your-phones-not-listening-to-your-conversations-you-are-likely-giving-it-the-information-it-needs-9742381.html [22:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Your phone's not listening to your conversations, you are likely giving it the information it needs- Technology News, Firstpost [22:52] techrights-bot/fn Actually, your [sic] 'phone' sometimes does listen to you https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34444233 [22:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Edward Snowden interview: 'Smartphones can be taken over' - BBC News [22:53] techrights-bot/fn "Alexander Kiryuhin has again released a version of the Rakudo Compiler implementing the #RakuLang #Programming Language: the 2021.06 Compiler Release!" https://rakudoweekly.blog/2021/06/22/2021-25-small-steps/ [22:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rakudoweekly.blog | 2021.25 Small Steps Rakudo Weekly News [22:54] techrights-bot/fn Jamie McClelland: How to Meet Online with Simultaneous Interpretation http://current.workingdirectory.net/posts/2021/jitsi-and-language-justice/ #jitsi #jitsimeet #freesw [22:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-current.workingdirectory.net | How to Meet Online with Simultaneous Interpretation [22:55] techrights-bot/fn Is this an ad? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WPwmqawzF4 [22:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Minimalist, open source, encrypted Google Photos & Google Docs alternative? We'll see about that! - YouTube [22:56] techrights-bot/fn #Vim vs. #Nano vs. #Emacs : Three sysadmins weigh in | Enable Sysadmin https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/3-text-editors-compared #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/22/#latest [22:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Vim vs. Nano vs. Emacs: Three sysadmins weigh in | Enable Sysadmin [22:57] techrights-bot/fn #ISRG and #Google Back #Rust for #Linux Project http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152399#comment-30024 LF as lobbying/pressure group for monopolists http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ [22:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Pressure Grows for Rust in Linux | Tux Machines [22:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights [22:58] techrights-bot/fn "Containers are not new. Depending on how you define "containers" they can date back to 2008 for LXC" https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/evolution-sdn-what-service-mesh-offers-telco #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/22/#latest [22:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | The evolution of SDN: What service mesh offers telco [22:59] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 39.03 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 30.33 swarm size (avg): 308.45 [22:59] techrights-bot/fn How is the retail industry using enterprise open source? https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/how-retail-industry-using-enterprise-open-source #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/22/#latest [22:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | How is the retail industry using enterprise open source? ● Jun 22 [23:00] AdmFubar https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2021/06/22/skype_gpg_expire/ [23:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | There's no 'Skype' in Teams: Microsoft lets signing key for its Debian Skype repository slip gently into the night The Register [23:04] techrights-bot/fn The #Gulag -run #ISRG wants to make the #Linux #kernel memory-safe with Rust http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152399#comment-30025 see http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ [23:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Pressure Grows for Rust in Linux | Tux Machines [23:05] techrights-bot/fn 13 Important Privacy and #Security Settings in #Ubuntu #Linux https://vitux.com/13-important-privacy-and-security-settings-in-linux/ #vitux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/22/#latest [23:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-vitux.com | 13 Important Privacy and Security Settings in Ubuntu Linux [23:06] techrights-bot/fn Euro 2020: Raheem Sterling strike secures top spot for England https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/57575294 #england #football #euro2020 [23:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Euro 2020: Raheem Sterling strike secures top spot for England - BBC Sport [23:06] techrights-bot/fn A study of the #Linux #kernel PCI subsystem with QEMU http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152572 [23:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A study of the Linux kernel PCI subsystem with QEMU | Tux Machines [23:09] AdmFubar https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210620/23384747031/bad-patents-getting-way-fun-toy-why-i-had-to-teach-my-kids-about-how-patents-ruin-everything.shtml [23:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bad Patents Getting In The Way Of A Fun Toy; Or Why I Had To Teach My Kids About How Patents Ruin Everything | Techdirt [23:10] techrights-bot/fn "The Ubuntu in the wild blog post ropes in the latest highlights about Ubuntu and Canonical around the world on a bi-weekly basis. It is a summary of all the things that made us feel proud to be part of this journey." https://ubuntu.com//blog/ubuntu-in-the-wild-10 [23:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ubuntu in the wild 22nd of June | Ubuntu [23:11] techrights-bot/fn #curl dev Daniel Stenberg continues selling himself off to enemies of #freesw https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2021/06/22/on-the-github-readme-podcast/ see http://techrights.org/2020/06/15/confessions-of-scott-guthrie/ http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github [23:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-On the GitHub ReadMe podcast | daniel.haxx.se [23:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Story About Microsofts Plan for GitHub Says a Lot About the Motivations and the Lies Told to Us for Over Half a Decade | Techrights [23:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights [23:13] techrights-bot/fn TI10: The International for #Dota2 may not happen in Sweden now as it's not elite enough | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/ti10-the-international-for-dota-2-may-not-happen-in-sweden-now-as-its-not-elite-enough #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games [23:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-TI10: The International for Dota 2 may not happen in Sweden now as it's not elite enough | GamingOnLinux [23:15] techrights-bot/fn #codeplex failed, shut down. #github is also failing, but it statted a little higher than, say, #SourceForge ( http://techrights.org/wiki/SourceForge ) when #microsoft 'bought' itself a market position [23:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | SourceForge - Techrights [23:17] techrights-bot/fn "More significantly, McGovern and Lamb are both personal friends. They live in the Cambridge region of the UK. McGovern gave a job to his mate's girlfriend." https://debian.community/neil-mcgovern-debian-gnome-mollygate/ #gnomefoundation http://techrights.org/wiki/GNOME_Foundation#Introduction [23:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-debian.community | Neil McGovern & Debian: GNOME and Mollygate [23:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GNOME Foundation - Techrights [23:19] techrights-bot/fn "By By Bruce Byfield". Yes, bye bye, Bruce Byfield. Still attacking the FSF with loaded and misleading headlines: "What happens if the FSF collapses?" https://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Features/What-happens-if-the-FSF-collapses [23:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux-magazine.com | What happens if the FSF collapses? Linux Magazine [23:19] MinceR lol [23:20] techrights-bot/fn 2020: concern-trolling as 'news'. One modus operandi of the coup against the FSF since 2019. [23:21] techrights-bot/fn "Recently Distrotube made a video about why word processors are evil, this video was full of really odd arguments as well as some things that were just flat out wrong so I felt like I needed to correct a lot of the points he made." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN74MjpA6_E [23:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DistroTube Is Wrong About Word Processors! - YouTube [23:22] techrights-bot/fn #ibm milking the word "LINUX" to sell proprietary stuff and "clown" https://developer.ibm.com/blogs/utilize-linuxone-as-a-platform-to-build-open-source-technology/ [23:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developer.ibm.com | Utilize LinuxONE as a platform to build open source technology IBM Developer [23:23] techrights-bot/fn "While our software runs on Linux, Windows and macOS, we know it doesn't run evenly across all three platforms. The macOS version is in need of some serious love." Who for? #apple users in love with Apple and Adobe... bring them over to #gnu #linux https://inkscape.org/news/2021/06/22/seeking-macos-dev-contributor-inkscape-project/ [23:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-inkscape.org | Seeking macOS dev contributor for Inkscape project | Inkscape [23:24] techrights-bot/fn "This particular reformatting task is one I've seen celebrated as easy-peasy with AWK. Do you want "Firstname Lastname" made into "Lastname, Firstname"? No problem..." https://www.datafix.com.au/BASHing/2021-06-23.html #bash #AWK [23:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datafix.com.au | "Firstname Lastname" to "Lastname, Firstname", with complications [23:25] techrights-bot/fn "Hello and welcome to Episode 417 of Linux in the Ham Shack." https://lhspodcast.info/2021/06/lhs-episode-417-the-gangs-all-here-2/ #gnu #linux [23:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lhspodcast.info | LHS Episode #417: The Gangs All Here | Linux in the Ham Shack [23:27] techrights-bot/fn "Scratch my back and I will scratch yours"-type marketing and shallow endorsements https://www.suse.com/c/a-perfect-partnership-suse-wins-hpe-global-technology-partner-of-the-year-2021/ [23:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Perfect Partnership: SUSE Wins HPE Global Technology Partner of the Year 2021 | SUSE Communities [23:29] techrights-bot/fn #Google lobbying via proxies like Mozilla, LF, and ISRG http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152399#comment-30026 see http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ #gulag #alphabet [23:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Pressure Grows for Rust in Linux | Tux Machines [23:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights [23:31] techrights-bot/fn More #Akademy 2021 blog posts http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152494#comment-30027 #kde #FreeSW [23:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: Akademy, KNewStuff, and digiKam | Tux Machines [23:31] cubexyz/fn you may have seen this one already (from 2020): [23:32] techrights-bot/fn KDE Plasma 5.22.2, Bugfix Release for June http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152560#comment-30028 [23:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Plasma 5.22.2 Released with Better Flatpak and Wayland Support | Tux Machines [23:35] cubexyz/fn http://www.maxhost.org/other/url.txt [23:35] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@vv9h6r945trdq.irc) has joined #techrights [23:35] cubexyz/fn can't clipboard from this old dillo :-/ [23:35] schestowitz ah [23:36] schestowitz let me see... [23:37] techrights-bot/fn Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152573 [23:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [23:37] techrights-bot/fn #IBM / #RedHat Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152574 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [23:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines [23:38] schestowitz cubexyz: yes, we had that in Daily Links at the time [23:38] schestowitz a lot has happened since then [23:38] schestowitz https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/04/bill-gates-foundation-philanthropy-microsoft [23:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jacobinmag.com | Bill Gatess Philanthropic Giving Is a Racket [23:38] cubexyz/fn ok, I thought you probably knew about it [23:38] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique#2020 [23:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights [23:38] schestowitz while many obsessed over the 'evils' of RMS [23:39] schestowitz at least people now understand it better [23:39] schestowitz better later than NEVER [23:39] schestowitz also, we got tons of traffic for our very old articles about Gates [23:39] schestowitz they became very much relevant many years down the line [23:39] cubexyz/fn yes, younger folks may not realize how bad microsoft was/is [23:40] cubexyz/fn there's a lot of chromebook and mac usage nowadays [23:41] cubexyz/fn I'm not sure if mac is better, but their OS is BSD based at least [23:41] techrights-bot/fn #LinuxFoundation is #openwashing #Microsoft and #listeningdevices . How appalling and antithetical to "Linux". https://venturebeat.com/2021/06/22/linux-foundation-initiative-advocates-open-standards-for-voice-assistants/ see http://techrights.org/2021/06/22/lf-partners-with-microsoft/ [23:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Foundation initiative advocates open standards for voice assistants | VentureBeat [23:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Partners With Microsoft Again | Techrights [23:42] techrights-bot/fn Open Source 3D CAD Software for #GNU #Linux for #3DPrinter Models https://dwaves.de/2021/06/22/open-source-3d-cad-software-for-gnu-linux-for-3d-printer-models/ #OpenSCAD [23:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Open Source 3D CAD Software for GNU Linux for 3D Printer Models | dwaves.de [23:45] cubexyz/fn gates' depo is still on youtube, so people can see for themselves his behaviour [23:46] schestowitz we have copies [23:46] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/Bill_Gates_Deposition [23:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bill Gates Deposition - Techrights [23:46] schestowitz cubexyz: apple is not BSD [23:46] schestowitz they just misuse the UNIX brand [23:47] schestowitz and Linux means not what it used to mean [23:47] schestowitz chromeos is gentoo based [23:47] schestowitz but no freedom [23:47] schestowitz so we need to change the terminopoly [23:47] schestowitz in order to accomplish something meaningful [23:47] schestowitz LF promotes polluters, not reuse [23:47] cubexyz/fn idea: techrights listing recommended OSes, motherboards, etc [23:47] schestowitz greenwashing the world's worst culprits [23:48] schestowitz cubexyz do you want to volunteer to maintain the page/s? [23:48] schestowitz like, in the wiki [23:48] schestowitz ? [23:48] MinceR (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2021/06/14/a7210bd49db47c76.mp4 [23:48] cubexyz/fn well, I could get it started at least [23:48] cubexyz/fn it is something I do think about a lot [23:49] cubexyz/fn at least list the bare bones no-OS computers [23:50] techrights-bot/fn JingPad A1: Linux-based tablet with an AMOLED display blows through its Indiegogo campaign goal http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152315#comment-30029 [23:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Crowdfunding for the JingPad A1 Linux tablet begins | Tux Machines [23:50] techrights-bot/fn Audiocasts/Shows: Linux in the Ham Shack, DistroTube, and Cryptee http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152575 [23:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: Linux in the Ham Shack, DistroTube, and Cryptee | Tux Machines [23:52] techrights-bot/fn #Innovatrics Optimizes Smart [sic] Face for Linux and NVIDIA Jetson Systems https://findbiometrics.com/innovatrics-optimizes-smartface-linux-nvidia-jetson-systems-062205/ an example of how the #linux brand will increasingly be misused to promote rather abusive things [23:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-findbiometrics.com | Innovatrics Optimizes SmartFace for Linux and NVIDIA Jetson Systems [23:53] techrights-bot/fn #intel is collapsing https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-New-Leadership-BUs see http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks [23:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel Announces New Leadership Roles, Business Unit Changes - Phoronix [23:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intel leaks - Techrights [23:55] techrights-bot/fn More #intel defects, but Michael focus on the positives https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-ucode-June-2021-Not-Bad [23:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel's Latest CPU Microcode Update Isn't All That Scary - Phoronix [23:56] techrights-bot/fn parallel @ Savannah: #GNUParallel 20210622 ('Protasevich') released [stable] http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=10012 "No new functionality was introduced so this is a good candidate for a stable release." [23:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-savannah.gnu.org | GNU Parallel - News: GNU Parallel 20210622 ('Protasevich') released [stable] [Savannah] [23:57] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:59] techrights-bot/fn #SoftwarePatents #swpats https://finance.yahoo.com/news/parus-files-patent-lawsuit-against-171200307.html https://www.mdjonline.com/neighbor_newspapers/news/national/parus-files-second-patent-lawsuit-against-google-for-infringement-of-its-proprietary-voice-browsing-and/article_5fca22cb-6144-52a2-b662-cfb63a5c7473.html [23:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-finance.yahoo.com | Parus Files Patent Lawsuit Against Microsoft for Infringement of its Proprietary Voice-Browsing and Device Control Technology [23:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Parus Files Second Patent Lawsuit Against Google for Infringement of its Proprietary Voice-Browsing and Device Control Technology | National News | mdjonline.com [23:59] cubexyz/fn I tell people to "look at the refurbs" and watch out for non-standard power supplies [23:59] techrights-bot/fn FOSS Patents: Legislative intent couldn't be clearer: availability of #patent injunctions not compromised by new #Germany legislation http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/06/legislative-intent-couldnt-be-clearer.html #fosspatents #de [23:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Legislative intent couldn't be clearer: availability of patent injunctions not compromised by new German legislation