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[00:27]	DaemonFC	I love this bank. (PNC) "We noticed you're in a tollbooth on the Pennsylvania Turnpike.".
[00:27]	DaemonFC	"Be a shame if someone turned off your debit card because you didn't place a travel notice."
[00:28]	DaemonFC	"If you'll be patient, this shouldn't take more than two or three standard hours. We are very inefficient. Yes. One must keep an eye on us at all times." -Narn customs guard on Babylon 5, to London, quoting him about Narn.
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[00:28]	DaemonFC	*Londo
[00:29]	DaemonFC	My mom is so old fashioned that sticking an EZ Pass to her windshield and setting it on auto-load is too complicated.
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[00:30]	DaemonFC	So she gets toll road fines and trapped in cash lanes trying to fidget around with quarters and debit cards where PNC is trying to protect themselves from a potential $2 chargeback while she is stuck at the gate in the middle of the night.
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[00:34]	Ariadne	DaemonFC: yeah PNC sucks
[00:36]	DaemonFC	She always says "Oh I'm on the phone with the bank putting a travel notice on my card so they don't shut it off while I'm in Illinois.".
[00:36]	DaemonFC	I said, "Oh yeah, all of 100 miles away. Not like anyone ever goes 100 miles.".
[00:37]	DaemonFC	I mean, if you live in Indiana and someone tries to charge something in California, that's one thing.
[00:37]	DaemonFC	And the two are so far away, there's not much chance you'd just make a weekend trip out of it.
[00:38]	DaemonFC	And you'd think that PNC could update their fraud system so that if you gassed up all the way from your home region and paid tolls going down a turnpike that it wouldn't set off a fraud system.
[00:38]	DaemonFC	Probably not fraud.
[00:39]	Ariadne	yeah my old bank
[00:39]	Ariadne	got taken over by PNC
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[00:39]	Ariadne	i made it a matter of moral imperative to switch to a credit union
[00:39]	DaemonFC	Probably someone got in the car and gassed up every few hundred miles or so, paid tolls, and stopped at the McDonalds a time or two.\
[00:39]	Ariadne	because i've been a PNC customer before :)
[00:39]	DaemonFC	They're the pits.
[00:40]	Ariadne	when i was in boston, i used PNC and they were the worst
[00:40]	Ariadne	you know how RMS always says pay for everything with cash?
[00:40]	Ariadne	he was probably a PNC customer
[00:40]	Ariadne	:D
[00:41]	schestowitz-TR2	:-D
[00:41]	schestowitz-TR2	I've just uploaded 3 videos of him
[00:41]	schestowitz-TR2	3rd one still ongoing
[00:42]	schestowitz-TR2	mostly about software patents
[00:42]	Ariadne	seriously though, PNC once
[00:42]	Ariadne	cancelled my debit card out right
[00:42]	Ariadne	because i signed up for a world of warcraft account
[00:42]	Ariadne	literally cancelled it entirely and sent me a new one
[00:42]	Ariadne	that's how bullshit PNC is
[00:43]	Ariadne	they will just cancel your cards and send you a new one because "fraud"
[00:43]	Ariadne	"this transaction wasn't fraud"
[00:43]	schestowitz-TR2	"content  moderation"
[00:43]	Ariadne	"our system disagrees with you, fraudster!"
[00:43]	schestowitz-TR2	"your payment has been moderated"
[00:44]	Ariadne	then i tried to wire the entirety of my savings to my new credit union
[00:44]	Ariadne	they blocked it
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[00:44]	Ariadne	i called them up and said that was a legitimate transaction, they told me that they "did not care"
[00:45]	Ariadne	like why send me a hardware security key
[00:45]	Ariadne	to prove its me
[00:45]	Ariadne	and then ignore it?
[00:45]	Ariadne	anyway PNC sucks
[00:45]	Ariadne	they just wanted to keep the money at their bank
[00:45]	Ariadne	thats what it really was about
[00:46]	DaemonFC	I don't use PNC debit for anything.
[00:46]	Ariadne	i don't use PNC for anything at all :D
[00:46]	Ariadne	i closed my accounts
[00:46]	DaemonFC	They have a rewards credit card that has a high percentage for gas and restaurants as permanent categories.
[00:46]	Ariadne	good riddance
[00:46]	DaemonFC	But Discover beats them in some quarters.
[00:46]	Ariadne	i had Simple, which was a nice bank
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[00:46]	Ariadne	then it got bought by BBVA, and became slightly less nice
[00:46]	Ariadne	then BBVA got bought by PNC and it went straight into the toilet
[00:47]	DaemonFC	I switch between my credit cards based on which one is paying out more points right now.
[00:47]	Ariadne	i only use credit for business expenses where i am being reimbursed
[00:49]	Ariadne	as Shakesphere said in Hamlet, "be neither a lender nor a borrower" :)
[00:52]	DaemonFC	Well, if you just cycle the money straight through and pay it back as soon as it clears, it's only technically debt.
[00:52]	DaemonFC	The bank pays you to use your own money.
[00:52]	activelow	all money in circulation is debt
[00:52]	activelow	supposedly backed by securities and assets
[00:52]	DaemonFC	It's an easy way to make my gas 4-5% cheaper.
[00:53]	Ariadne	DaemonFC: i make my gas 15% cheaper by buying it at costco
[00:53]	DaemonFC	Behind rent and food, gas for the car is the third biggest expense.
[00:53]	DaemonFC	Costco doesn't accept credit cards except whoever manages theirs.
[00:53]	DaemonFC	Was AmEx. Dunno now.
[00:53]	Ariadne	yeah i know, but i use debit
[00:53]	Ariadne	:p
[00:53]	activelow	no car at all, and electricity is 30ct/KWh
[00:53]	DaemonFC	Besides, I'm not driving to Gurnee to gas up.
[00:54]	DaemonFC	It would totally blow the discount.
[00:54]	Ariadne	i mean now days
[00:54]	Ariadne	i have an EV
[00:54]	DaemonFC	I don't.
[00:54]	Ariadne	but that's what i do when i need to gas up my truck
[00:54]	activelow	EV?
[00:54]	DaemonFC	The Impala is running better now that I've had it going 80 on the freeway back and forth.
[00:54]	Ariadne	most of the electricity for the EV is provided from solar panels i own :P
[00:54]	DaemonFC	I don't normally have it out on the freeway much.
[00:55]	DaemonFC	Last time was in March to go get a COVID shot a few months ahead of everyone else.
[00:55]	Ariadne	have you run some seafoam through it
[00:55]	Ariadne	cleans all the crud off the injectors and intake and so on
[00:56]	activelow	Ariadne: you can charge an electric vehicle with solar?
[00:56]	Ariadne	activelow: yes, panels are very efficient these days
[00:57]	schestowitz-TR2	[00:52] <activelow> supposedly backed by securities and assets
[00:57]	activelow	i would be curious about the data, costs and yield
[00:57]	Ariadne	in wyoming, my entire homestead ran off solar
[00:57]	schestowitz-TR2	after the wars under Nixon now even that
[00:57]	Ariadne	the system cost me $8500
[00:57]	Ariadne	the one i built for charging my car is not as powerful, but was only about $3000
[00:57]	schestowitz-TR2	they abandoned gold backing, just printing money for decades and attacking perceived "threats"
[00:57]	activelow	Ariadne: in germany Electric Vehicle charging stations reported costs of 50ct/KWh up to records of 80ct/KWh recently
[00:58]	Ariadne	the inverter generates 50 amps 240v no problem
[00:58]	Ariadne	enough to run the charger
[00:58]	Ariadne	have some lifepo4 batteries that gather the charge during the day
[00:58]	Ariadne	so as long as i keep it plugged in at home, it is topped off when i leave
[00:59]	Ariadne	maybe i will do a blog about it
[00:59]	activelow	not necessary tbh
[00:59]	techrights-news	#Games : #UnrealEngine 4.27, Steam Play Proton 6.3-6, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154754 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[00:59]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Unreal Engine 4.27, Steam Play Proton 6.3-6, and More | Tux Machines
● Aug 22
[01:00]	activelow	schestowitz-TR2: with securities and assets i wasn't referring to gold
[01:01]	techrights-news	#KDE : KDE Connect, #kjournald v0.0.2, and KDE Android Update http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154755 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: KDE Connect, kjournald v0.0.2, and KDE Android Update | Tux Machines
[01:01]	schestowitz-TR2	activelow: but that too would be nice
[01:02]	DaemonFC	<Ariadne> have you run some seafoam through it
[01:02]	DaemonFC	Doesn't really work.
[01:02]	techrights-news	#Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154756 #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[01:02]	DaemonFC	What you see is just the seafoam itself burning up.
[01:02]	activelow	schestowitz-TR2: anyone who wishes to stockpile gold can do so, last time i checked fees and costs were extreme with gold
[01:03]	techrights-news	In Old Video From #Egypt , #RichardStallman Explains Why Its #GNU / #Linux Rather than Just Linux (for the Whole System) and How It Started in the 1980s http://techrights.org/2021/08/21/rms-history/
[01:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | In Old Video From Egypt, Richard Stallman Explains Why Its GNU/Linux Rather Than Just Linux (for the Whole System) and How It Started in the 1980s | Techrights
[01:03]	activelow	and, it isn't a security either
[01:03]	AdmFubar	https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/tips-using-tmux
[01:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Tips for using tmux | Enable Sysadmin
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[01:09]	MinceR	https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/plural
[01:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Plural
[01:11]	activelow	a rare exapmle of what can be considered free and open, and it isn't GNU http://z80.info/
[01:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-z80.info | Thomas Scherrer Z80-Family Official Support Page
[01:12]	DaemonFC	https://www.theverge.com/22630319/microsoft-windows-11-default-browser-changes
[01:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Microsoft is making it harder to switch default browsers in Windows 11 - The Verge
[01:12]	DaemonFC	Mozilla is including a script that fools "Microsoft Defender" by making it look like the user is clicking on a bunch of things to make Firefox open them.
[01:12]	techrights-news	In order to tackle revisionism (rampant in the media this month) were reproducing in a Free format an old video; the relevant part is spanning about 5:40-6:20 (minutes:seconds) from the start http://techrights.org/2021/08/21/rms-history/ #gnu #linux
[01:14]	activelow	this is what the pioneer generation of RMS and Torvalds do not comprehend, the chaos and bloat a student is confronted with
[01:14]	activelow	RMS and Torvalds could learn with z80 generation hardware, assembly programming, BASIC interpreter, hardware circuits
[01:15]	activelow	this is free and open http://z80.info/, compare this with Intel data sheets of dozens of thousands of pages for USB, ACPI, UEFI, their ISA
[01:17]	activelow	the altrair basic interpreter source was stored on a paper tape: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Altair_BASIC_Paper_Tape.jpg
[01:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | File:Altair BASIC Paper Tape.jpg - Wikipedia
[01:18]	activelow	nowadays the rain forest had to be cut down to print the sources of GCC and Kernel, with an updated every few days
[01:22]	activelow	this is when the industry collapse began 45 years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Letter_to_Hobbyists#Open_letter
[01:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Open Letter to Hobbyists - Wikipedia
[01:24]	techrights-news	Raspberry Pi 4 Graphics Driver Update Improves 4K Output http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154740#comment-30648
[01:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Devices/Embedded: ASUS, Raspberry Pi Display Driver, and Waterproof Machine | Tux Machines
[01:25]	schestowitz-TR2	businesses and geeks have different goals
[01:25]	schestowitz-TR2	and good software is not always most profitable
[01:25]	schestowitz-TR2	you might argue systemd is like this
[01:25]	schestowitz-TR2	some thing are designed to help sell upgrades, support..
[01:26]	schestowitz-TR2	or to work for hollywood
[01:26]	schestowitz-TR2	even if the user does not want thi
[01:26]	schestowitz-TR2	*this DRM
[01:26]	schestowitz-TR2	lots of damage left to be undone
[01:27]	schestowitz	"Gates may be gone, but the walls and bars of proprietary software he helped create remain, for now. Dismantling them is up to us."
[01:27]	schestowitz	http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7487060.stm
[01:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.bbc.co.uk | BBC NEWS | Technology | It's not the Gates, it's the bars
[01:27]	schestowitz	my dad thinks they might prepare a case on Gates
[01:27]	schestowitz	but because of his high profile they need to make sure they have very extensive evidence and materia
[01:27]	schestowitz	same for Trump
[01:27]	schestowitz	otherwise it can get stuck in lawyerland with corrupted (paid) politicians
[01:28]	schestowitz	that's how systems work
[01:28]	activelow	Gates is the z80 generation, and he didn't oppose the industry collapse
[01:28]	schestowitz	even the "legal" system
[01:28]	activelow	i could have lived with paying some cash for an altair basic tape, i cannot with microsoft products today
[01:30]	activelow	it is impossible to live and work anymore
[01:31]	techrights-news	V4L2Loopback: Virtual Cameras Make My Life Simple - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=pKLVNcP0wsk "virtual camera devices with v4l2loopback don't have this problem."
[01:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | V4L2Loopback: Virtual Cameras Make My Life Simple - Invidious
[01:31]	activelow	wouldn't say all microsoft products are crap: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSX
[01:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | MSX - Wikipedia
[01:32]	activelow	be aware this is what Zilog Z80 user manual warns: "DO NOT USE THIS PRODUCT IN LIFE SUPPORT SYSTEMS."
[01:32]	techrights-news	#KDE at Work - Apps I use to get stuff done - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=syS3EQcSK3E #video #invidious #gnu #linux
[01:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | KDE at Work - Apps I use to get stuff done - Invidious
[01:33]	techrights-news	SuperTuxKartElite Training Arc + Racing With Viewers - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=iX0ANV9Y6i4 #video #invidious #gnu #linux #games
[01:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | SuperTuxKartElite Training Arc + Racing With Viewers - Invidious
[01:34]	activelow	microsoft MSX Z80 generation is lacking: networking
[01:34]	techrights-news	Integrate #ArchLinux into Chrome OS - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=I6sAvwHgYwQ "This integrates directly in STOCK Chrome OS and you can directly launch without even using Terminal!"
[01:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Integrate Arch Linux into Chrome OS - Invidious
[01:35]	techrights-news	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154757 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[01:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines
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[01:35]	activelow	systemd is worse than autexec.bat on a MSX-DOS system
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[01:37]	schestowitz	activelow: just in: https://linux.slashdot.org/story/21/08/21/0130215/linux-distros-are-so-much-better-than-they-were-30-years-ago
[01:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org | Linux Distros are So Much Better Than They Were 30 Years Ago - Slashdot
[01:38]	MinceR	(X) Doubt
[01:38]	techrights-news	Correction: 30 years ago there were no "Linux distros". My collague, a year afterwards, combined #linux and #gnu in MCC. https://linux.slashdot.org/story/21/08/21/0130215/linux-distros-are-so-much-better-than-they-were-30-years-ago
[01:39]	schestowitz-TR	*colleague 
[01:40]	MinceR	also, most "Linux distros" today are systemd distros, i.e. useless crap that's trying to become windows
[01:40]	activelow	tbh i was disgusted by red hat 9 in year 2002 already
[01:41]	techrights-news	About 15 years ago I had to correct #wikipedia about the #history of #gnu #linux but Wikipedia is nowadays games by corporate PR firms, so you edits go away. https://techrights.org/2014/03/17/wikipedia-and-microsoft/ #revisionism
[01:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Wikipedia Got Ruined by the Likes of Microsoft Who Pay People to Edit Articles About Microsoft | Techrights
[01:41]	activelow	"Gates also mentioned the development of the APL programming language ... which used a character set based on the Greek alphabet ... was never completed"
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[01:43]	activelow	this had always irritated me, stacks of paper with maths and formulas on my desk and a computer nearby which was a waste of time only
[01:44]	activelow	such as, due to the lack of greek alphabet, among dozens of other issues
[01:50]	activelow	i think, Gates is a person of 1970s and DOS and BASIC, and talking with him about this era of computing could be fun, maybe, and then ask what he thinks of his latest greatest microsoft clown products and visual studio, and if he wanted to use this himself
[01:50]	activelow	i wouldn't want any win311 or vista11 even if it was free of charge with GPL source code available
[01:53]	MinceR	gates is a pathological liar and a sociopath, talking to him would be a waste of time
[01:54]	activelow	maybe he wasn't in 1970s?
[01:55]	schestowitz-TR	he was
[01:55]	schestowitz-TR	he had already been arrested twice or more
[01:55]	schestowitz-TR	and people who worked with him complained about him
[01:55]	schestowitz-TR	heck, he could barely get along with his own parents
[01:57]	activelow	this is the Gates era, and it seems to be free and open, including HDL for a Z80 softcore: http://z80.info/
[01:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-z80.info | Thomas Scherrer Z80-Family Official Support Page
[01:58]	schestowitz-TR	can anyone help me proofread/
[01:58]	activelow	now, imagine this, some FPGA Z80 softcore, maybe multicore, which operates at 200MHz instead of 8Mhz
[01:58]	MinceR	still won't be able to address enough memory
[01:58]	MinceR	and won't have an MMU
[01:58]	schestowitz	can anyone spot typos in http://techrights.org/2021/08/21/australia-swpats-epo/ ?
[01:58]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard Stallman Explains Why He Protests and Condemns the EPO (for Promoting Software Patents in Other Continents, Too) | Techrights
[01:59]	activelow	MinceR: a 32bit Zilog existed, intel took the lead with 386
● Aug 22
[02:00]	techrights-news	New Audio and Video: GNU World Order, Arch Linux, SuperTuxKart, KDE at Work, and V4L2Loopback http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154758 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[02:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New Audio and Video: GNU World Order, Arch Linux, SuperTuxKart, KDE at Work, and V4L2Loopback | Tux Machines
[02:00]	activelow	and, motorola, which i wouldn't know if documentation and freedom ever reached the level of Z80 at least
[02:01]	MinceR	schestowitz: i didn't spot any
[02:01]	schestowitz-TR	cheers!
[02:01]	MinceR	activelow: could be handy, but it seems Z80 is not that :>
[02:05]	techrights-news	#RichardStallman Explains Why He Protests and Condemns the #EPO (for Promoting Software Patents in Other Continents, Too) http://techrights.org/2021/08/21/australia-swpats-epo/ #europe #corruption #australia
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[02:09]	activelow	MinceR: intel, arm and others of this generation are not suitable i think, none of this is free and open
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[02:19]	techrights-news	[Meme] In the #EPO , Criminals Get Promoted, Not Arrested http://techrights.org/2021/08/21/epo-shields-crooks-from-accountability/ #europe #corruption #crime #patents
[02:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] In the EPO, Criminals Get Promoted, Not Arrested | Techrights
[02:20]	activelow	i would say, correct me if i am wrong, anything eqipped with HDMI and USB is not free and open, regardless of some GNU software running on top of it
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[02:23]	activelow	https://opencores.org/
[02:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opencores.org | Home :: OpenCores
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[02:24]	activelow	schestowitz: separating software and hardware is a misnomer, it is a distraction, brainwashing
[02:25]	activelow	hardware is described with programming languages too (HDL), and even worse the entire development environment for this is full proprietary to my knowledge (Xilinx, Altera)
[02:26]	activelow	meaning even if a HDL is free and open, the required tooling for deployment isn't; which is similar to saying GPL software can be compiled with a microsoft proprietary compiler *only* and then this is free and open nonetheless
[02:26]	schestowitz-TR	open core is a bad term
[02:26]	schestowitz-TR	open cores sounds similar
[02:27]	activelow	why is this a bad term?
[02:27]	techrights-news	Patenting Software and Patenting #Music http://techrights.org/2021/08/21/patenting-music/ #rms #swpats #patents #video
[02:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Patenting Software and Patenting Music | Techrights
[02:27]	schestowitz-TR	activelow: openwashing
[02:27]	activelow	anyway, chances are only Z80 generation is fully free and open, if at all, including required tooling for deployment to FPGA or an ASIC
[02:28]	activelow	j-core.org people talked about this, which was they were vendor locked-in to Xilinx horror
[02:28]	activelow	and any desired deployment target which didn't depend on proprietary was limited to 8bit CPUs and memory sizes
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[02:31]	activelow	the j-core.org people too explained the issues they had with patents, and recommended to only use designs which were patented and their protection period ended
[02:36]	activelow	too, i think, RMS is not honest, with him portraying any modern system as free and open source if some GNU software was running on it
[02:36]	activelow	probably in fear of loosing everything what was accomplished by GNU
[02:36]	activelow	if he told the truth
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[02:37]	activelow	schestowitz: because, if i wanted to go free and open source, i would consider a Z80 or similar, certainly not any modern system anymore
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[02:38]	techrights-news	Cosmetic Changes in Web Site and #GeminiSpace Promotion http://techrights.org/2021/08/21/gemini-promotion/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/21/gemini-promotion/
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[02:40]	kingoffrance	"separating software and hardware is a misnomer, it is a distraction, brainwashing"  ive said elsewhere, old arcade games...was a circuit board. that was the "software". want to change your "program"? make/rewire a new board.  software is just volatized hardware :)     i agree with your statement for "philosophical" and historical reasons :)
[02:41]	kingoffrance	does it matter? i dont know. but they are entwined
[02:41]	kingoffrance	ditto formerly hardware gets done in software some times, and vice versa
[02:41]	activelow	and j-core.org people explained the technical reasons in detail
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[02:42]	activelow	RMS and GNU people reasoning is similar to saying GPL software compiled with proprietary compilers *only* was free and open
[02:42]	activelow	they are, lying
[02:43]	kingoffrance	yeah, i see what you mean, i just second that on other grounds too :)
[02:44]	activelow	THIS is free and open: https://github.com/rswier/c4/blob/master/c4.c
[02:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-c4/c4.c at master rswier/c4 GitHub
[02:44]	activelow	i can grab these sources, study Z80, and consider implementing a c compiler for this platform
[02:45]	activelow	it is feasible, in comparison to what GCC does nowadays serves corporate intests *only*
[02:46]	activelow	interests
[02:49]	techrights-news	Some #freenode channels other than #techrights ones have moved to the Techrights IRC servers http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-210821.html#tAug%2021%2015:09:02
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[02:49]	activelow	j-core.org people too documented required tools for HDL synthesis, to deploy any softcore to either a FPGA or even ASIC, *without* depending on Xilinx or Altera proprietary bloatware
[02:50]	techrights-news	"and neither #IBM PC nor #Microsoft where the vendors or innovators, they branded and dictated the market nonetheless since then" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-210821.html#tAug%2021%2002:51:26
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[02:52]	activelow	RMS rather explicitely pushes the narrative of "software", while he MUST know this distinction is fraudulent
[02:53]	AdmFubar	https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2021/08/18/remote-working-experience/
[02:53]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.helpnetsecurity.com | Remote working positively impacting employee experience - Help Net Security
[02:53]	techrights-news	"Regarding Joseon, they're running out of things to keep it interesting even to Andrew Lee himself." http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-210821.html#tAug%2021%2014:29:36
[02:53]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, August 21, 2021
[02:54]	techrights-news	#ibm layoffs NOT reported in the media, but its victims are VERY real https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1crPNdrZ see http://techrights.org/2021/08/21/ibm-layoffs-in-marketing/
[02:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Slack channel - ibmfriends2020 - post regarding IBM layoffs
[02:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Many IBM Layoffs (in Marketing), But the Media Is Not Mentioning Those Layoffs At All | Techrights
[02:56]	techrights-news	"The people running #IBM brand are even a joke now. TYs team has gone to sh1t and they do nothing other than excerpt their arrogance." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cpDYTRw#replies
[02:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | What's left of the once great IBM brand? - post regarding IBM layoffs
[02:59]	techrights-news	To #IBM "Channels is waste of funding. Their loyalties lie with the BP they think may be their parachute. Total overlay added cost. Zero value add.They would never be missed" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cp1eEaZ#replies
[02:59]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | USA Marketing RAs today - post regarding IBM layoffs
[02:59]	schestowitz-TR	AdmFubar: suits say so
[02:59]	schestowitz-TR	they want people under their thumb
[02:59]	schestowitz-TR	otherwise they become redundant
● Aug 22
[03:00]	schestowitz-TR	same suits responsible for many security incidents and ensuing cover-up
[03:01]	AdmFubar	most of the suits will be going first..
[03:07]	schestowitz-TR	good!
[03:07]	techrights-news	Top 5 Open Source Survey Software & Google Forms Alternatives http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154759 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[03:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top 5 Open Source Survey Software & Google Forms Alternatives | Tux Machines
[03:08]	techrights-news	Red state https://wgntv.com/news/moaning-crying-unable-to-move-photo-shows-florida-covid-19-patient-on-floor-of-antibody-treatment-site/
[03:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | Moaning, crying, unable to move: Photo shows Florida COVID-19 patient on floor of antibody treatment site | WGN-TV
[03:09]	AdmFubar	management people will be redundant with a work remote-force. No need to manage an office full of people, and when office space leases are up, the will close them and save even more money. 
[03:09]	techrights-news	Patches Ready For Getting #DisplayPort Over USB Type-C Working For More Intel Hardware - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Hotplug-Notify-DP-Over-Type-C #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/08/22/#latest
[03:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patches Ready For Getting DisplayPort Over USB Type-C Working For More Intel Hardware - Phoronix
[03:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts
[03:09]	AdmFubar	a lot of city centers will become ghost-towns
[03:09]	schestowitz-TR	AdmFubar: yes, happened in our company
[03:10]	schestowitz-TR	fewer nuisance makers
[03:10]	schestowitz-TR	and re town
[03:10]	techrights-ipfs-bot	 Gemini requests since start of month:  150144 total Total pages: 37136    Active: active (running) since Tue 2021-06-08 16:18:39 BST; 2 months 13 days ago
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[03:10]	techrights-ipfs-bot	 New daily bulletin just generated. It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID 
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[03:10]	schestowitz-TR	well, I hear many people act like it's normal
[03:10]	schestowitz-TR	but the virus spreads fast
[03:10]	schestowitz-TR	we barely leave anymore
[03:12]	schestowitz-TR	well, we'll leave tuesday
[03:12]	schestowitz-TR	it's rianne's birthday
[03:12]	schestowitz-TR	but we limit the reach, very very limited number of place, no dining etc.
[03:12]	techrights-ipfs-bot	QmYmEgmfDVPvkfgUa7fsqSMDGZcBioYrEM8ofgP9Yru19n
[03:13]	AdmFubar	https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2021/03/12/recover-data-sanitized-images/
[03:13]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.helpnetsecurity.com | Can private data be recovered from "sanitized" images? - Help Net Security
[03:14]	schestowitz-TR	it might no longer be private :D
[03:15]	techrights-news	#Kernel: USB Type-C, NAX, CET http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154760 #GPL #Linux #TuxMachines
[03:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: USB Type-C, NAX, CET | Tux Machines
[03:16]	techrights-news	#ibm 'suit' writing about 'suits' (c-suite or c-level suits) https://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2021/08/the-evolving-role-of-the-cio.html
[03:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.irvingwb.com | Irving Wladawsky-Berger: The Evolving Role of the CIO
[03:20]	activelow	this is another distraction: to argue "removing blobs" from a system "liberated" it, it's brainwashing
[03:34]	activelow	which hardware does FSF and RMS and GNU endorse?
[03:34]	schestowitz-TR	see their site
[03:35]	AdmFubar	HA!, just heard  us cyber security department had a security issue...:P
[03:36]	activelow	no z80? no 68k?
[03:38]	AdmFubar	hand cranked phones and punch cards only!
[03:38]	techrights-news	15 Best #FreeSW #Trello Alternatives in 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154761 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[03:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 15 Best Free Open-source Trello Alternatives in 2021 | Tux Machines
[03:38]	activelow	Thinkpad X200 and X60 https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw
[03:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Hardware Devices that Support GNU/Linux Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
[03:39]	activelow	i mean, how stupid does RMS think i was?
[03:40]	techrights-news	Just added a video to the top of http://techrights.org/videos.html
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[03:41]	activelow	sure, there is worse than those IBM laptops. but this is anything but free and open source.
[03:42]	activelow	another irony, none of what FSF and GNU do is relevant anymore on z80 and 68k. linux could barely load on 68k, if at all.
[03:44]	techrights-news	Say hello to your new todo app! #Kalendar week 11 (GSoC 2021) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154762 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #KDE
[03:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Say hello to your new todo app! Kalendar week 11 (GSoC 2021) | Tux Machines
[03:45]	AdmFubar	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_Unix
[03:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Amiga Unix - Wikipedia
[03:45]	MinceR	22 032010 < activelow> i would say, correct me if i am wrong, anything eqipped with HDMI and USB is not free and open, regardless of some GNU software running on top of it
[03:46]	MinceR	not sure
[03:46]	techrights-news	Godot Engine - Agile input processing is here for smoother, more responsive gameplay https://godotengine.org/article/agile-input-processing-is-here-for-smoother-gameplay #godotengine #deletegithub
[03:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-godotengine.org | Godot Engine - Agile input processing is here for smoother, more responsive gameplay
[03:46]	MinceR	what's the issue with USB? what's the issue with HDMI if HDCP is not supported?
[03:46]	activelow	MinceR: show me the HDL and schematics, and the supply chain and deployment of those chips
[03:47]	activelow	USB specs alone are horror, thousands of pages of whatever this is.
[03:47]	MinceR	:)
[03:47]	schestowitz-TR	so you want a computer without usb ports
[03:47]	schestowitz-TR	uart?
[03:48]	MinceR	22 033612 < activelow> too, i think, RMS is not honest, with him portraying any modern system as free and open source if some GNU software was running on it
[03:48]	MinceR	seems to be an issue with wanting to make it a binary thing
[03:48]	MinceR	maybe their recent ladder thing will help shade things better
[03:48]	AdmFubar	usb maybe... hdmi definitely not
[03:49]	activelow	schestowitz-TR: rs-232 and variants can be considered free and open, yes. chances are some modem circuitry too, for 300baud or something standardized in mil-std-188
[03:49]	techrights-news	#GNOME and #Debian GSoC Reports http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154763 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[03:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME and Debian GSoC Reports | Tux Machines
[03:50]	activelow	not standardised, mentioned at least, any later isn't compliant, i think. my opinion
[03:50]	schestowitz-TR	usb is not even new
[03:51]	activelow	j-core people argued any later than usb 1.x was problematic, had to dig in the documents again to find the quote
[03:51]	activelow	https://opencores.org/projects/usb_host_core
[03:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opencores.org | Overview :: USB Host Core :: OpenCores
[03:51]	activelow	this is USB1.1, and just because the HDL is available doesn't mean either it can be recommended, and that's USB1.1 with ~1MiB/s "only"
[03:52]	schestowitz-TR	I had a usb port on a laptop from the 90s
[03:52]	activelow	certainly, most of what FSF and GNU and IBM endorse is anything but free and open.
[03:52]	techrights-news	A Free (libre) version of an old video in which #RichardStallman explained to Australian media what rogue #EPO officials were up to in #Australia http://techrights.org/2021/08/21/australia-swpats-epo/ #Techrights #swpats | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/21/australia-swpats-epo/
[03:52]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard Stallman Explains Why He Protests and Condemns the EPO (for Promoting Software Patents in Other Continents, Too) | Techrights
[03:53]	DaemonFC	Apple wants to go to port-free iPhones eventually.
[03:53]	DaemonFC	Probably cuts down on warranty repairs for them when the piece of shit breaks the fourth time you plug the cable in.
[03:53]	techrights-news	French sociopaths who run the #EPO with their old buddies have demonstrated the sheer lunacy associated with diplomatic #immunity , shielding crooks from #accountability http://techrights.org/2021/08/21/epo-shields-crooks-from-accountability/ #Techrights | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/21/epo-shields-crooks-from-accountability/
[03:53]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] In the EPO, Criminals Get Promoted, Not Arrested | Techrights
[03:54]	techrights-news	Dr. #RichardStallman explains why #patent maximalism inhibits progress, restrains freedom, prevents creativity, and hinders actual innovation http://techrights.org/2021/08/21/patenting-music/ #Techrights #swpats| Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/21/patenting-music/
[03:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Patenting Software and Patenting Music | Techrights
[03:55]	AdmFubar	apple wants their phone ans thin as possible... it is a marketing gimmic
[03:55]	techrights-news	Were going to make some site changes in an effort to improve the overall experience and provide more options http://techrights.org/2021/08/21/gemini-promotion/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/21/gemini-promotion/
[03:55]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Cosmetic Changes in Web Site and Gemini Promotion | Techrights
[03:55]	schestowitz-TR	AdmFubar: technobulimia 
[03:55]	schestowitz-TR	eventually jobs competed with his own creation
[03:56]	schestowitz-TR	until he perishe
[03:56]	schestowitz-TR	*perished
[03:56]	AdmFubar	get rid of the shadowing on the headings for the site and I prefer a sans font
[03:56]	schestowitz-TR	shadowing in the lower sections?
[03:57]	AdmFubar	I'm always a bit amused at how much jobs looked like the 1984 mac commercial
[03:58]	AdmFubar	yeah the lowers... hard to read with a serif font
[03:58]	activelow	if this is what i want, free and open source, then i'll study: z80 era equipment, OS, languages, network modems
[03:58]	AdmFubar	back in a bit
[03:59]	activelow	in fact, this is what telecom schedule included, for example, ancient analog modems
[03:59]	activelow	just to be told, this isn't "competitive" on "the market"
[03:59]	schestowitz-TR	activelow: fonts, shadows, or both?
[03:59]	schestowitz-TR	I can tighten the shadows a bit
● Aug 22
[04:00]	activelow	schestowitz: ?
[04:02]	techrights-news	#Apache AGE Team has released version 0.5.0 of Apache AGE https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/announcing-the-release-of-apache-age-050-2273/ #postgres #psql
[04:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.postgresql.org | PostgreSQL: Announcing the release of Apache AGE 0.5.0
[04:04]	AdmFubar	tighten and lemme check em out
[04:06]	techrights-news	Some more Gulag Summer of Work reports, sadly many of which outsourced to #microsoft #proprietarySoftware http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154763#comment-30652 #deletegithub
[04:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME and Debian GSoC Reports | Tux Machines
[04:06]	techrights-news	#Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, August 21, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
[04:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives
[04:06]	techrights-news	#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
[04:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index
[04:08]	schestowitz-TR	AdmFubar: OK, compare first headling to the ones after that
[04:08]	schestowitz-TR	in any page
[04:10]	techrights-ipfs-bot	   IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.16   IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 88.31 swarm size (avg): 268.08  
[04:13]	activelow	sorry, you discussed the formatting of the article; while i was thinking about what RMS said with regards to EPO and patents
[04:16]	activelow	interesting, this cannot be downloaded without registration https://opencores.org/projects/usb_host_core
[04:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opencores.org | Overview :: USB Host Core :: OpenCores
[04:16]	AdmFubar	not as bad... but still not desirable
[04:17]	activelow	in any case, it seems, any later than usb1.1 is NOT free and open
[04:17]	AdmFubar	my eyes are having fits trying to focus on it
[04:17]	schestowitz-TR	ok, hang on...
[04:19]	activelow	maybe there is some chances with VGA, wouldn't know any free and open HDMI designs
[04:20]	activelow	https://opencores.org/projects?lang=Verilog%20&%20VHDL=&expanded=Video%20controller
[04:20]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opencores.org | Projects :: OpenCores
[04:21]	schestowitz-TR	activelow: try now
[04:22]	AdmFubar	uhm you made the text grey
[04:23]	schestowitz-TR	ok, try now
[04:23]	AdmFubar	dump the shadow and make the text bold
[04:24]	activelow	btw. opencores is only HDL digital circuitry, doesn't cover the analog parts and schematics either
[04:25]	activelow	and, it doesn't cover the required tooling which j-core mentioned, to avoid xilinx and altera pain in the *** from california again
[04:25]	AdmFubar	ah that style font is  much better... less pointy ends on it.
[04:26]	schestowitz-TR	will check with more browsers and screen types
[04:26]	activelow	jcore verified only some tiny 8bit CPU could fit into FPGA which free and open tooling existed for, doubt a 68K can be deployed without altera/xilinx
[04:27]	AdmFubar	now just revers the shadowing and text color
[04:27]	schestowitz-TR	activelow: how about now? Settled? Also, should we change articles headline styles?
[04:28]	schestowitz-TR	the main goal is readability and less clutter
[04:29]	schestowitz-TR	while still exposing gemini etc.
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[04:30]	activelow	sorry, there is so much clutter from google news, i thought then i could respond to RMS articles published on techrights
[04:30]	schestowitz-TR	google news IS cluter
[04:30]	schestowitz-TR	from the moment you enter it
[04:30]	schestowitz-TR	and over rss too it's suiffering
[04:31]	schestowitz-TR	lots of spam and plagiarism
[04:31]	schestowitz-TR	gemni is better at reducing mental clutter
[04:31]	AdmFubar	just the gemini is still gray.. needs to be black..
[04:31]	schestowitz-TR	no more than one link per line
[04:31]	schestowitz-TR	and lines cannot include links if there is text in them
[04:31]	schestowitz-TR	AdmFubar: ah, wait
[04:32]	schestowitz-TR	testing these, I think I prefer it grey ("gray")
[04:32]	schestowitz-TR	but...
[04:32]	schestowitz-TR	I'd like to change headline style for all pages
[04:32]	AdmFubar	not enough contrast
[04:32]	schestowitz-TR	31,000+ blog posts
[04:32]	schestowitz-TR	could use your advice
[04:32]	schestowitz-TR	maybe add to size of headline
[04:32]	schestowitz-TR	they're relatively small
[04:33]	schestowitz-TR	AdmFubar: should I soften the shadow (dimmer)?
[04:34]	AdmFubar	yes... and you went back to a times font..make it harder to read..
[04:35]	activelow	how stupid did RMS and FSF think i was, any IBM pc was free and open source? regardless of patents or the EPO.
[04:35]	schestowitz-TR	and if you like it, we can apply similar styling to top level headlines too?
[04:35]	schestowitz-TR	AdmFubar: I never changed font family
[04:35]	schestowitz-TR	not sure what you system uses for it
[04:36]	activelow	the zilog z80 predates the 1984 semiconductor protection act
[04:36]	activelow	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_Chip_Protection_Act_of_1984
[04:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Semiconductor Chip Protection Act of 1984 - Wikipedia
[04:36]	schestowitz-TR	I have softened the shadowing
[04:36]	schestowitz-TR	I cna improve the contract by making the body darker
[04:37]	activelow	so, any later than 1984 isn't free and open anymore at all?
[04:37]	activelow	RMS and FSF must know, nonetheless they lie.
[04:38]	AdmFubar	yes make the body darker
[04:38]	schestowitz-TR	try again
[04:39]	schestowitz-TR	when it is settled, I'll apply to all headlines
[04:39]	schestowitz-TR	headings rather
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[04:40]	AdmFubar	hhhmm I'm still seeing as a medium gray..
[04:40]	AdmFubar	now the shadow is black
[04:41]	schestowitz	don't wannt mix font families, as there is a performance toll
[04:41]	schestowitz-TR	backing up site
[04:41]	activelow	and one year later, 1985, FSF and GNU run around hey hi this is free and open what we do in USA?
[04:41]	schestowitz-TR	might be hard to load for a minutes
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[04:44]	AdmFubar	all headings gray now :P
[04:44]	schestowitz-TR	yeah
[04:44]	schestowitz-TR	even the date
[04:45]	schestowitz-TR	see top of page
[04:47]	activelow	i'm 100% supporting free and open source, all i'm saying is GNU and FSF cannot provide it with any later than z80 era technology, because noone else could either
[04:51]	schestowitz-TR	activelow: now check headline
[04:51]	schestowitz-TR	and tell me if it drive you nuts
[04:54]	AdmFubar	changed the font the browser uses ti sans... bit better now..
[04:56]	AdmFubar	:P https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/17/ikea-will-sell-clean-energy-to-swedish-homes/
[04:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IKEA will sell clean energy to Swedish homes TechCrunch
[04:57]	AdmFubar	you have the assemble the electrons yourself..
[04:57]	AdmFubar	come with a handy electric wrench 
[04:57]	schestowitz-TR	AH
[04:57]	schestowitz-TR	neat
[04:59]	schestowitz-TR	anyway, that's enough changing for one night
[04:59]	schestowitz-TR	don't wan to change  too much all at once
● Aug 22
[05:00]	AdmFubar	night ? it is morning for you.... I'm gonna watch the insides of my eyelids... night all
[05:00]	activelow	gn
[05:00]	schestowitz-TR	ok, cool
[05:03]	schestowitz-TR	activelow: we we are the nocturnals..
[05:07]	techrights-news	So sad to see #microsoft being shilled aggressively by #theregister even in areas where #gnu #linux dominates, e.g. RPA. See http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/the-register-microsoft-pr/
[05:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fall of The Register | Techrights
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[05:10]	activelow	there is some progress with 68K, but as said i doubt this can be deployed with free and open tooling.
[05:10]	techrights-news	"The widespread DNS protocol has a security problem: attackers can forge data while it is being transported and infiltrate it into the DNS server." https://marketresearchtelecast.com/ix-workshops-secure-name-resolution-with-dnssec-dane-tls-for-smtp/135427/
[05:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-marketresearchtelecast.com | iX workshops: Secure name resolution with DNSSEC & DANE TLS for SMTP - Market Research Telecast
[05:11]	activelow	which is the same as compiling GNU/Linux with proprietary microsoft compiler and boasting this was free and open source.
[05:11]	activelow	and, you have no idea what i had been confronted with, on labor market, human resource departments, and bureaucrats.
[05:12]	activelow	psychological terror, 20 years.
[05:12]	activelow	after 1990 under "allied" doctrine, not before in east-germany.
[05:13]	schestowitz-TR	wait, what?
[05:14]	schestowitz-TR	20 years since you got marked?
[05:14]	schestowitz-TR	I did hear about this before
[05:14]	schestowitz-TR	in european countries
[05:14]	activelow	marked?
[05:14]	schestowitz-TR	but.... no gainful employment since then?
[05:14]	schestowitz-TR	marked as "do not employ"
[05:14]	activelow	of cause, i did dozens of internships and projects
[05:15]	activelow	even was promoted "high potential" by german telecom university
[05:15]	activelow	but, i wasn't paid
[05:15]	schestowitz-TR	on what basis?
[05:15]	activelow	instead expropriated
[05:15]	activelow	different contracts
[05:16]	activelow	the contract with german telecom is one of my favorites still
[05:16]	activelow	schestowitz-TR: basis for what? salary or promotion?
[05:17]	schestowitz-TR	if you sign a contract, they must pay
[05:17]	schestowitz-TR	otherwise, it's "up on the air..."
[05:18]	schestowitz-TR	today my employer sent me the handbook, which I had to read
[05:18]	schestowitz-TR	each side meets a side of the contract
[05:18]	schestowitz-TR	otherwise it goes to court
[05:25]	techrights-news	As if this never happened in the West, too... https://www.theregister.com/2021/08/16/china_warns_on_historical_fiction_games/
[05:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | China warns game devs not to mess with history The Register
[05:27]	techrights-news	"Developed by CGSecurity and released under the GPL, PhotoRec is distributed as a companion utility of Testdisk, which can be used to recover and restore partitions." https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/recover-deleted-files-from-any-drive-in-linux
[05:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomshardware.com | How To Recover Deleted Files From Any Drive in Linux | Tom's Hardware
[05:28]	techrights-news	"Developed by CGSecurity and released under the GPL, PhotoRec is distributed as a companion utility of Testdisk, which can be used to recover and restore partitions." https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/recover-deleted-files-from-any-drive-in-linux
[05:35]	techrights-news	#murdoch secretly getting vaccinated ahead of everybody, now riling up the bigots against vaccines https://uk.news.yahoo.com/fox-news-says-biden-booster-150800813.html
[05:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-uk.news.yahoo.com | Fox News says Bidens booster shot speech was diversionary Tactic after Afghanistan mess
[05:38]	techrights-news	Why do they even call it Fox NEWS when it's obviously just mindless gossip like https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/judge-judy-shopping-day-beverly-hills
[05:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.foxnews.com | Judge Judy spotted enjoying a shopping trip in Beverly Hills | Fox News
[05:42]	techrights-news	5 Linux Skills To Be An Effective Cybersecurity Professional | Itsubuntu.com https://itsubuntu.com/5-linux-skills-to-be-an-effective-cybersecurity-professional/ #ItsUbuntu #GNU #Linux
[05:42]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-5 Linux Skills To Be An Effective Cybersecurity Professional | Itsubuntu.com
[05:45]	techrights-news	5 reasons why developers choose Fedora http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154764 But #fedora is racist in who's allowed to use it and contribute: http://techrights.org/2021/08/20/we-build-fedora-and-then-ibm-blacklists-us/ #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[05:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 reasons why developers choose Fedora | Tux Machines
[05:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Imperialistic Blacklist Machines: Racist IBM and Red Hat Just Like Donald Trump Have Turned Fedora Into an Utterly Racist Project That Blacklists, Shuns and Permanently Bans People Based on Their Nationality Alone | Techrights
[05:47]	activelow	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_circuit_layout_design_protection
[05:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Integrated circuit layout design protection - Wikipedia
[05:48]	activelow	german language wikipedia mentions another remarkable detail, which is rarely any cases were fought at court
[05:48]	activelow	except for two, one involved with AMD, and another one involved with Altera
[05:50]	activelow	i would explain this with the fact that vendors succeeded with protecting "their" property, wich is sillicon valley sabotaged the industry since 1984
[05:51]	activelow	and some clown from MIT running around to harvest development resources for "free software" for this type of system
[05:52]	schestowitz-TR	wikipedia has its blind spots
[05:54]	techrights-news	#Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154765 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[05:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
[05:54]	activelow	hadn't RMS noticed any of this? i mean i was born 1981 in east germany and didn't even know yet how USA had "liberated" the rest of the world since the the semiconductor protection act of theirs
[05:55]	schestowitz-TR	we were born same year
[05:55]	schestowitz-TR	rms hasn't done much hardware
[05:56]	activelow	false narrative, misnomer. hardware isn't distint or separate from software
[05:56]	techrights-news	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154766 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[05:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines
[05:56]	schestowitz-TR	activelow: it is
[05:56]	schestowitz-TR	but there are overlaps
[05:56]	activelow	wrong
[05:57]	schestowitz-TR	software is for programmable devices
[05:57]	schestowitz-TR	but software can also be embedded in h/w
[05:57]	activelow	in any case neither is free and open source
[05:57]	activelow	since 1984
[05:58]	activelow	and that's why, FSF (usa) brainwashes
[05:59]	activelow	the reason why rarely any case was brought to court with this: USA successfully sabotaged and monopolized the entire industry, globally
[05:59]	activelow	and it had to sue itself, their own cartell
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[06:00]	techrights-news	Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154767 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[06:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[06:01]	techrights-news	Links 22/8/2021: Proton 6.3-6 and kjournald 0.0.2 http://techrights.org/2021/08/22/proton-6-3-6/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/22/proton-6-3-6/
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[07:10]	activelow	there is another misnomer, which is 8bit/16/32/64bit etc.; thinking again about DEC-VAX which did provide 128bit general purpose registers, but required several clock cycles to process 128bit operations
[07:10]	activelow	same with the Z80, which is an 8bit CPU, but has 16bit registers
[07:11]	activelow	meaning, a Z80 type design is scalable with address bus, data bus, register width, clock speeds, MMU extension, FPU extension
[07:13]	activelow	i am no expert with this, to sharpen the vision of what RISC and CISC would be; meaning in z80 era programmers did assembly which benefit from some CISC while nowadays a compilers generate instructions which were written by hand in assembly
[07:15]	activelow	in any case, USA with their 1984 SCPA managed to sabotage the industry, university lectures, and critical infrastructure depending on chaotic global supply chains
[07:16]	activelow	i am not even sure 68k, riscv or any other derivative of a Z80 type design is worth any effort, if z80 was scalable
[07:16]	activelow	"ZMOB: A new computing engine for AI. Multiprocessor computer with 256 Z80 CPUs."
[07:17]	activelow	is this some Nvidia GPU design, or what is this?
[07:17]	activelow	https://www.hackernewspapers.com/2019/418-zmob-a-multiprocessor-computer-with-256-z80-cpus/
[07:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hackernewspapers.com | ZMOB: A multiprocessor computer with 256 Z80 CPUs.
[07:18]	activelow	nope, it is a cluster of z80 cores, zilog ones, not nvidia
[07:19]	activelow	even if there was patent claims... Z80 is a 1970s design, 50years old so who could sue anyone anymore having infringed anything?
[07:21]	activelow	hey hi? let's extend register width from 8bit to 128bit, hey hi i can multiply by 16 and the quartz oscillates with frequency multiplier at 5GHz now, instead of 5MHz.
[07:23]	activelow	anyway, there is some missing link between HDL and deployment to FPGA, some matrix of interconnected layers of a semiconductor: transistors -> logic gates
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[07:23]	activelow	by burning some fuses in an array (FPGAs are reprogrammable, some other types of semiconductors can be burned once only)
[07:24]	activelow	when logic gates are assembled with a loopback then this is a memory circuit, an automaton, a state machine, without a loopback it is a digital filter
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[07:28]	techrights-news	"Sad my company cant get enough strong hires and #IBM throws them away." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cqi7ooS#replies
[07:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Always be prepared - post regarding IBM layoffs
[07:29]	techrights-news	"If you are over 45 do not sign the exit paperwork without calling an attorney that is focused on the age discrimination suits." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cpRivYC#replies #ibm #layoffs
[07:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Exiting IBM Tips - post regarding IBM layoffs
[07:31]	techrights-news	#ibm #racism and #discrimination is still a thing, but #linuxfoundation is paid to lie to you about it. What next, Zemlin? Doing reputation laundering for pedophiles too? http://techrights.org/2021/08/20/we-build-fedora-and-then-ibm-blacklists-us/
[07:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Imperialistic Blacklist Machines: Racist IBM and Red Hat Just Like Donald Trump Have Turned Fedora Into an Utterly Racist Project That Blacklists, Shuns and Permanently Bans People Based on Their Nationality Alone | Techrights
[07:31]	activelow	the Z80 designers were Italian (Federico Faggin) and German (Ralph Ungermann), who worked in sillicon valley in 1970s
[07:32]	activelow	btw. this is how the industry "innovates": "hey hi, check this out, we renamed all registers, authors, translated from german into english, this is our brand new patentable design"
[07:33]	schestowitz	yes
[07:33]	schestowitz	NOW GIVE ME DAY PATENT!!
[07:33]	schestowitz	*DAT
[07:33]	activelow	too, that's the explanation why languages such as Rust exist, anything rewritten isn't GPL then
[07:34]	schestowitz	worse
[07:34]	schestowitz	on many levels
[07:34]	schestowitz	C is commoditised
[07:34]	schestowitz	monopolies hate commodities
[07:34]	schestowitz	with commodities like bread it's also hard to sell a $2 sandwich
[07:35]	schestowitz	basically $1 for each slide of bread
[07:35]	schestowitz	when you can buy a whole loaf of bread for half the price of that slide
[07:35]	schestowitz	*slice
[07:35]	schestowitz	but you pay for plastic, cardboard, and presentation
[07:35]	schestowitz	they don't even manually make those sandwiches anymore
[07:36]	schestowitz	I saw the machines that make them... with disgusting preservatives and all to extend shelf life
[07:37]	activelow	don't doubt funding is required, but i question funding funneled into IBM or Microsoft or Sillicon valley pays off
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[07:38]	activelow	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Letter_to_Hobbyists#Open_letter
[07:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Open Letter to Hobbyists - Wikipedia
[07:38]	activelow	it is a valid argument, doesn't mean cash funneled into corrupt corporations is the solution
[07:39]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2020/05/21/lying-letter-as-a-hobby/
[07:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A Simple English and Annotated Translation of Open [sic] Letter to Hobbyists | Techrights
[07:42]	techrights-news	Even #watchtroll now openly admits that "HEY HI" is just a worthless and meritless buzzword: "Artificial Intelligence (AI) is the latest buzzword across all sectors." They use this BS to push #swpats agenda ("Drafting AI Patents: Challenges and Solutions") http://techrights.org/wiki/Software_Patents_in_Europe
[07:42]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software Patents in Europe - Techrights
[07:42]	activelow	either RMS is naive or he is lying, or both. there is reasons to question his motives. i doubt rms wasn't aware of the hardware related issues, in particular compilers and assembly langauge are closely related.
[07:48]	techrights-news	#googleNews has just burmped up https://www.epo.org/news-events/news/2012/20120510.html as if #epo silently changed a page from 9 years ago, but I checked word by word against https://web.archive.org/web/20210226103153/https://www.epo.org/news-events/news/2012/20120510.html and it's the same
[07:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - EPO congratulates Latvian office on 20th anniversary
[07:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | EPO - EPO congratulates Latvian office on 20th anniversary
[07:49]	activelow	hey hi, sillicon valley is b***f**** us with proprietary hardware, let's write compilers for this to push their sales???
[07:49]	techrights-news	Corrupt #epo needs to cover up loads of vote-buying (done to cover up crimes in east #europe for the most part) http://techrights.org/2021/08/18/goodbye-emruli/
[07:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | An EPO Administrative Council Expos Part XIV: No Great Loss | Techrights
[07:53]	techrights-news	Ultra-Low-Power #RISCV System-on-Chip features Adaptive Body Biasing Technology http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154768
[07:53]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ultra-Low-Power RISC-V System-on-Chip features Adaptive Body Biasing Technology | Tux Machines
[07:54]	activelow	and the "free software" narrative is highly problematic, and maybe unwillingly RMS perpetuated it.
[07:56]	activelow	btw. both Gates and later Stallman preferred to "spent the rest of the summer writing a text editor in APL"
[07:57]	schestowitz-TR	Gates did not code much
[07:57]	schestowitz-TR	need source for this claim
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[08:00]	activelow	APL is only a side note of history, related to BASIC interpreter on CP/M systems which was common at that time
[08:00]	activelow	"In the letter, Gates also mentioned the development of the APL programming language for the 8080 and 6800 microprocessors, a programming language in vogue with some other computer scientists in the 1970s. The language, which used a character set based on the Greek alphabet"
[08:08]	activelow	btw. i had not been a programmer either, our lecture was focused on maths, electronics, physics
[08:08]	activelow	i could have easily studied for 10years without writing a single line of code, and be recognised the worst programmer of the industry who ever lived
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[08:09]	activelow	nonetheless, i was promoted "high potential" by german telecom
[08:12]	activelow	in fact, computers and programming were a hindrance to the lecture
[08:13]	activelow	and, how could i ever have explained to anyone? analog electronics and signal processing are the most difficult lecture i knew (lectured at MIT too btw.)
[08:14]	activelow	and, i couldn't do it in english either, until today, i can only do it in german language.
[08:14]	activelow	if at all
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[08:18]	activelow	it is not like i had to worry having forgotten anything, because i had nothing to loose anyway. couldn't at least afford to rent a flat, in my own homeland, after 1990 expropriation of east-germany.
[08:19]	activelow	what i could afford was some cheap bicycle, to ride to university early in the morning, inhale toxic fumes in the city, and have a cigarette and coffee for breakfast.
[08:21]	activelow	so, the best i could do for revenge was: do nothing.
[08:25]	activelow	2004 iirc, some alumni from TU vienna asked if i would study there, during an internship at T-Mobile Austria, no official, but i didn't even bother anymore to answer that.
[08:26]	activelow	the lecture of German Telecom University was clusterf*** and chaos beyond imagination
[08:26]	activelow	it wasn't secret either, publicly available for download
[08:26]	activelow	the books and everything are freely available, some of them rather cheap even, to keep anyone occupied for years to come, essentially "free"
[08:27]	activelow	maybe, i hand them out as a present, to anyone? together with some schedule to follow?
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[08:32]	activelow	to enjoy the privileges of a whilte male
[08:34]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TomsHardware #Games 25 Years Later: The Original Quake Gets a Remaster for PC and Consoles https://www.tomshardware.com/news/quake-original-remaster
[08:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomshardware.com | 25 Years Later: The Original Quake Gets a Remaster for PC and Consoles | Tom's Hardware
[08:35]	techrights-news	 NEWS #BenCongdon #OpenHardware DIY Air Quality Sensor https://benjamincongdon.me/blog/2021/08/08/DIY-Air-Quality-Sensor/
[08:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-benjamincongdon.me | DIY Air Quality Sensor | Ben Congdon
[08:37]	techrights-news	 NEWS #JonUdell #Databases #Postgres set-returning functions that self-memoize as materialized views https://blog.jonudell.net/2021/08/19/postgres-set-returning-functions-that-self-memoize-as-materialized-views/
[08:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.jonudell.net | Postgres set-returning functions that self-memoize as materialized views Jon Udell
[08:38]	techrights-news	 NEWS #BrianCallahan #Programming Let's write a compiler, part 6: Input and output https://briancallahan.net/blog/20210819.html
[08:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-briancallahan.net | Brian Robert Callahan
[08:38]	schestowitz-TR	activelow: ^
[08:39]	techrights-news	 NEWS #CarlSvensson Not as famous as they should be https://www.datagubbe.se/famous/
[08:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not as famous as they should be: Pioneers that shaped computing as I know it | datagubbe.se
[08:39]	activelow	i would begin with a book, and Z80
[08:40]	schestowitz-TR	do you have experience bootstrapping one?
[08:40]	schestowitz-TR	like lexx and yacc
[08:41]	schestowitz-TR	or do you not trust lex either?
[08:41]	schestowitz-TR	I studied them when I was a teenages
[08:41]	schestowitz-TR	you need them to parse and tokenise
[08:42]	activelow	i had not implemented a compiler yet
[08:43]	activelow	not sure, if assembly programming before was adviseable
[08:44]	schestowitz-TR	would you trust your tools?
[08:44]	schestowitz-TR	you cannot write a compiler from scrach
[08:44]	activelow	which tools?
[08:44]	schestowitz-TR	you use tools that a compiler alreadt compiled
[08:45]	schestowitz-TR	gnu was developed partly on proprietary software (unix)
[08:45]	activelow	early compilers, somehow, emerged from and with assembly language, without additional tools
[08:45]	schestowitz-TR	what assembly lang?
[08:45]	schestowitz-TR	which arch?
[08:45]	schestowitz-TR	how many registers?
[08:45]	schestowitz-TR	how many bits?
[08:45]	activelow	not sure
[08:46]	activelow	what would i know
[08:46]	schestowitz-TR	which instruction set?
[08:46]	activelow	i had not written any compiler, nor any noteworthy assembly routine
[08:46]	schestowitz-TR	it's very difficult
[08:46]	activelow	seems z80 is documented sufficiently
[08:46]	schestowitz-TR	they don't make them anymore
[08:46]	activelow	z80 is produced
[08:46]	schestowitz-TR	so you would likely be compiling for some emulator
[08:47]	activelow	torvalds began with a 68k
[08:51]	schestowitz-TR	torvalds made a kernel
[08:51]	schestowitz-TR	he used RMS compiler
[08:51]	schestowitz-TR	gcc
[08:51]	schestowitz-TR	he even admits it was very invaluable to him
[08:51]	schestowitz-TR	in his Revolution OS interview
[08:52]	schestowitz-TR	didn't make it into the film itself
[08:54]	techrights-news	 NEWS #ThreatPost #ProprietarySoftware #Nigeria Threat Actors Solicit Employees to Deploy Ransomware for Cut of Profits https://threatpost.com/nigerian-solicits-employees-ransomware-profits/168849/
[08:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nigerian Threat Actors Solicit Employees to Deploy Ransomware for Cut of Profits | Threatpost
[08:54]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TechHive #ProprietarySoftware How to check if your #Google Nest Hub is running Fuchsia https://www.techhive.com/article/3629480/how-to-check-if-your-google-nest-hub-is-running-fuchsia.html
[08:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to check if your Google Nest Hub is running Fuchsia | TechHive
[08:56]	techrights-news	 NEWS #DigitalMusicNews #Surveillance #Privacy #TikTok Faces Senate Inquiry Over Expanded Biometric Data Collections https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2021/08/19/tiktok-senate-inquiry/
[08:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2021/08/19/tiktok-senate-inquiry/ )
[08:57]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Rachel #Surveillance #Privacy Your devices and your employer https://rachelbythebay.com/w/2021/08/20/phones/
[08:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rachelbythebay.com | Your devices and your employer
[08:58]	techrights-news	 NEWS #BruceSchneier #Surveillance #Privacy More on Apples #iPhone #Backdoor https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2021/08/more-on-apples-iphone-backdoor.html
[08:58]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-More on Apples iPhone Backdoor - Schneier on Security
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[09:10]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TheStarMY #Wildlife #Germany #drone programme saves thousands of #fawns from death in fields https://www.thestar.com.my/tech/tech-news/2021/08/19/german-drone-programme-saves-thousands-of-fawns-from-death-in-fields
[09:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thestar.com.my | German drone programme saves thousands of fawns from death in fields | The Star
[09:17]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Quartz #Finance Why is #OnlyFans letting payment companies lure it away from porn? https://qz.com/2050359/onlyfans-blames-financial-companies-for-pivot-from-porn/
[09:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-qz.com | OnlyFans blames financial companies for pivot from porn Quartz
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[12:37]	techrights-news	 #IRC Proceedings: Saturday, August 21, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/08/22/irc-log-210821/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/22/irc-log-210821/
[12:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, August 21, 2021 | Techrights
[12:39]	techrights-news	#Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154769 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[12:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[12:41]	techrights-news	#ibm #layoffs "If you can wait until you get the 401k match. So far as I know you either get it all or nothing. Some time in December." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cpRivYC#replies
[12:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Exiting IBM Tips - post regarding IBM layoffs
[12:41]	techrights-news	 NEWS #MichaelWest #au #Wikipedia v ASPI: on sock-puppets and Wiki-sneaks https://www.michaelwest.com.au/wikipedia-v-aspi-on-sock-puppets-and-wiki-sneaks/
[12:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.michaelwest.com.au | Wikipedia v ASPI: on sock-puppets and Wiki-sneaks - Michael West Media
[12:43]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Axios #Censorship #OnlyFans sends creators scrambling with sudden ban on "sexually explicit" material https://www.axios.com/onlyfans-ban-sexually-explicit-policy-6d3298bd-49c1-40ca-9698-55cfecec8fa3.html
[12:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-OnlyFans "sexually explicit" ban is like IHOP no longer serving breakfast - Axios
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[12:47]	techrights-news	 NEWS #NBC #Censorship #Taliban violence drives Afghans to wipe #socialcontrolmedia profiles https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/taliban-violence-drives-afghans-wipe-social-media-profiles-rcna1731
[12:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | Taliban violence drives Afghans to wipe social media profiles
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[12:56]	techrights-news	"PUSH notifications" are being promoted by #socialcontrolmedia disinfo lords who are like DRUG PUSHERS, never letting you have a break from a stream of BS. Trying to get people addicted.
[12:56]	schestowitz	https://twitter.com/myywrld999/status/1429103391653892103
[12:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@myywrld999: @schestowitz No one cares + ratio
[12:57]	schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jrbrtson/status/1429017967157784578
[12:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jrbrtson: Unbeknownst to them, the power company had secretly taken control of their smart thermostat and was jacking up the https://t.co/eqowG0kc8t
[12:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jrbrtson: Unbeknownst to them, the power company had secretly taken control of their smart thermostat and was jacking up the https://t.co/eqowG0kc8t
[12:57]	schestowitz	"Unbeknownst to them, the power company had secretly taken control of their smart thermostat and was jacking up the heat in an effort to reduce demand on the state electric grid."
[12:57]	schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jrbrtson/status/1429017632011915271
[12:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jrbrtson: The AI police crime predictor has a problem. #accidentalTerminator #snitchToday #computerSayYes https://t.co/Epiul0bR6m
[12:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 'Tech' as a weapon against people; neither enabler nor emancipator https://t.co/nDk5HL6n4p
[12:58]	schestowitz	https://twitter.com/swiderman/status/1428826696417873922
[12:58]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@swiderman: @schestowitz because the business of nation building is not about the nation, it's about the building https://t.co/c79CpoSPib
[12:59]	techrights-news	 NEWS #InternationalBusinessTimes #Internet New Asia undersea data cable plan unveiled by Google, Facebook https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/new-asia-undersea-data-cable-plan-unveiled-google-facebook-1693504 imagine #china doing this in the Gulf of Mexico. Or #russia doing it....
[12:59]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.co.uk | New Asia undersea data cable plan unveiled by Google, Facebook
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[13:01]	techrights-news	#DRM company "Deere will spend $275 million to acquire the factories and intellectual [sic] property [sic]." https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/08/21/deer-a21.html
[13:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wsws.org | John Deere announces $1.6 billion in third-quarter profits, enough to pay every UAW-Deere worker $160,000 - World Socialist Web Site
[13:02]	techrights-news	 NEWS #HollywoodReporter #DRM Netflix Taps PepsiCos Sergio Ezama As Chief Talent Officer https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/netflix-sergio-ezama-1235001004/
[13:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hollywoodreporter.com | Netflix Taps PepsiCos Sergio Ezama As Chief Talent Officer The Hollywood Reporter
[13:04]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TheHill #Monopolies Hillicon Valley: Feds lay down marker in #Facebook fight https://thehill.com/policy/technology/overnights/568664-hillicon-valley-khans-ftc-lays-down-a-marker
[13:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hillicon Valley: Feds lay down marker in Facebook fight | TheHill
[13:05]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Bloomberg #Patents #HeyHi #patentsForBots One Mans Quest to Get an AI Machine a #Patent Gathers Momentum https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-21/one-man-s-quest-to-get-an-ai-machine-a-patent-gathers-momentum
[13:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
[13:05]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Mondaq #Patents #HeyHi #patentsForBots United States: Artificial Intelligence As The Inventor Of Life Sciences Patents? https://www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/patent/1101942/artificial-intelligence-as-the-inventor-of-life-sciences-patents
[13:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Artificial Intelligence As The Inventor Of Life Sciences Patents? - Intellectual Property - United States
[13:07]	techrights-news	 NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #Hollywood Wins Injunction To Shut Down Pirate IPTV Operations, Disable Domain Names https://torrentfreak.com/hollywood-wins-injunction-to-shut-down-pirate-iptv-operations-disable-domain-names-210821/
[13:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hollywood Wins Injunction To Shut Down Pirate IPTV Operations, Disable Domain Names * TorrentFreak
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[13:14]	techrights-news	 NEWS #DetroitNews #Copyrights #Flint businessman sues Michael Moore over 'Fahrenheit 11/9' clip https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/entertainment/movies/2021/08/19/flint-man-sues-michael-moore-fahrenheit-11-9-clip/8202786002/
[13:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.detroitnews.com | Flint businessman sues Michael Moore over 'Fahrenheit 11/9' clip
[13:14]	techrights-news	 NEWS #Variety #Copyrights #Disney Seeks to Force #ScarlettJohansson Suit to Arbitration https://variety.com/2021/film/news/disney-scarlett-johansson-arbitration-1235046169/
[13:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Scarlett Johansson Suit: Disney Seeks to Force Case to Arbitration - Variety
[13:15]	techrights-news	 NEWS #HollywoodReporter #Copyrights #Disney Makes First Move in #ScarlettJohansson s Black Widow Suit https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/disney-makes-first-move-in-scarlett-johanssons-black-widow-suit-1235001093/
[13:15]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hollywoodreporter.com | Disney Makes First Move in Scarlett Johanssons Black Widow Suit The Hollywood Reporter
[13:18]	techrights-news	Does anyone out there have any contacts at #WSWS h https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/08/21/deer-a21.html "they need to be more clear about #patents or #trademarks or #copyright (not the same thing)" -iophk
[13:32]	techrights-news	iophk: bored? lonely? nothing to do? no friends? throw a meeting! https://rubenerd.com/tech-and-online-meetings/
[13:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Rubenerd: Tech and online meetings
[13:36]	techrights-news	#microsoft #windows AT ALL-LOW low since 1980s, I think https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share see also http://techrights.org/2021/05/03/statcounter-may-2021/
[13:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gs.statcounter.com | Operating System Market Share Worldwide | StatCounter Global Stats
[13:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | StatCounter: In May 2021 Windows Market Share Falls Sharply to Just 28%, Whereas GNU/Linux Climbs to 2.31% in Desktops/Laptops | Techrights
[13:36]	techrights-news	#mozilla "Firefox 3.45%" https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share #firefox won't recover with the current Mozilla management http://techrights.org/2021/08/05/lousy-mozilla-management/
[13:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gs.statcounter.com | Browser Market Share Worldwide | StatCounter Global Stats
[13:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Firefox Cannot be Trusted at the Hands of Todays Mozilla Management | Techrights
[13:37]	techrights-news	#spotify engaging in legalized embezzlement aka #spotify https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2021/08/20/spotify-stock-repurchase-program/ same thing #microsoft and #ibm do in order to massively inflate their PERCEIVED value
[13:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2021/08/20/spotify-stock-repurchase-program/ )
[13:38]	techrights-news	#microsoft #windows tco but some 'news' sites incapable of naming the real culprit https://portswigger.net/daily-swig/mozi-malware-modified-to-present-a-more-potent-threat-to-industrial-control-systems see http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/
[13:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-portswigger.net | Mozi malware modified to present a more potent threat to industrial control systems | The Daily Swig
[13:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | Techrights
[13:38]	schestowitz	x https://reason.com/2021/08/21/net-neutrality-is-far-from-necessary/
[13:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Net Neutrality Is Far From Necessary Reason.com
[13:49]	MinceR	22 061101 < activelow> which is the same as compiling GNU/Linux with proprietary microsoft compiler and boasting this was free and open source.
[13:49]	MinceR	GNU used to be built with proprietary C compilers that came with proprietary Unix :>
[13:55]	techrights-news	Not Neglecting the Techrights Web Site http://techrights.org/2021/08/22/love-for-techrights-web-site/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #WWW #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/22/love-for-techrights-web-site/
[13:55]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Not Neglecting the Techrights Web Site | Techrights
[13:59]	techrights-news	"Microsoft's VSCode is not open source." https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@lightweight/106785245702079411
[13:59]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.nzoss.nz | Dave Lane: "Just a periodic reminder: Microsoft's VSCode is n" - Mastodon - NZOSS
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[14:00]	techrights-news	"several projects funded by the (American Council for the Blind?) to improve accessibility, but each time #Microsoft (a big ACB funder) threatened to pull funding unless they dropped the projects." https://hackers.town/@seachaint/106783165366571770
[14:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Seachaint :verified:: "@wizzwizz4@fosstodon.org @devinprater@dragonscave" - hackers.town
[14:01]	techrights-news	"I cant believe Apple is still fighting back on #spyPhone. Dont they understand theyve already ruined their reputation on privacy?" #apple has #privacy reputation?? Maybe #brainwash campaign. https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/106793387400787601
[14:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.ar.al | Aral Balkan: "I cant believe Apple is still fighting back on #" - Arals Mastodon
[14:03]	activelow	MinceR: which one? if it was written in assembly then it isn't the same as today.
[14:04]	techrights-news	"most of fediverse's model is "go to this random dodgy looking domain and allow JS", I'm not even trying to discuss that, even tho it should be addressed" https://mastodon.social/@harce/106795747569450364
[14:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | harcesz: "@dredmorbius@toot.cat @rysiek@mastodon.technology" - Mastodon
[14:05]	techrights-news	#PeterHansteen talk on #OpenBSD http://lists.nycbug.org/pipermail/semibug/2021-August/000614.html #bsd #unix
[14:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.nycbug.org | [Semibug] Peter Hansteen talk on OpenBSD
[14:07]	techrights-news	"VSCode codebase is not available under a proper OSI/FSF approved license (plus it includes telemetry and other undesirables), so the VSCodium project has been set up by people (independent of MSFT?) wanting to rehabilitate the salvageable code." https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@lightweight/106787594024852282
[14:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.nzoss.nz | Dave Lane: "And I stand corrected - I had the dependency the " - Mastodon - NZOSS
[14:07]	techrights-news	##HowTo Monitor Log Files in Real Time in Linux [Desktop and Server] http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154770 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[14:07]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to Monitor Log Files in Real Time in Linux [Desktop and Server] | Tux Machines
[14:08]	techrights-news	Even though we have spread further and wider in terms of protocols, T#echrights remains mostly a Web (as in #WWW ) site and we are making gradual changes to the looks of the site in order to enhance clarity and make it look more modern (while maintaining full support for browsers older than this site) http://techrights.org/2021/08/22/love-for-techrights-web-site/
[14:12]	MinceR	activelow: it was supposed to be portable
[14:16]	techrights-news	The #techrights wiki in #geminiprotocol is updating correctly as new items are added. We have added a link to /wiki from the front page in gemini:// -- I have also added the wiki to the main page's template. Lots of tidying up today.
[14:17]	techrights-news	"There were #ibm layoffs announced today. A lot of folks who were not expecting it got hit or notified they will be hit by year end. Todays layoffs were concentrated around the marketing organizations centered on tier two clients." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cs5JWJR#replies
[14:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Info on recent layoffs - post regarding IBM layoffs
[14:19]	activelow	MinceR: was reading all night what and if anything suitable is available in the z80 or 68k realm, and am beginning to understand what problems NASA had when trying to source and hire 80s era parts and staff
[14:19]	MinceR	:>
[14:20]	activelow	what's available nowadays is tied to modern supply chains and tooling, instead of some circuit design on a sheet of paper complex IDEs are used, and adafruit developed for withing eclipse IDE
[14:21]	activelow	or, some hackers assemble a development kit, and measure with a digital scope (proprietary software and hardware)
[14:22]	activelow	apropos scopes, german vendors jumped on the train, instead of their analog scopes they all sell digital ones now, for example rohd&schwarz
[14:22]	activelow	rohde&schwarz
[14:23]	activelow	all this modern gear, it is impressive, no doubt. i am worried about the basis for this, the old supply chains and production facilities collapsed
[14:24]	activelow	those, who could draw the schematics of an 8bit integer ALU with a pencil on paper, or do a fourier transform without matlab
[14:25]	techrights-news	#Techrights Wiki over #Geminiprotocol is leaving alpha today http://techrights.org/2021/07/16/techrights-wiki-at-gemini/
[14:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Wiki @ Gemini: At Long Last, An Alpha Release | Techrights
[14:34]		*activelow remembers when reading a book about 68k assembly
[14:35]	activelow	could barely concentrate, christmas 2003, grabbed a glas of wine, and read the book
[14:36]	activelow	no guidance, no development kit, nothing but the book. with java this wasn't a problem, with 68k assembly this was the wrong approach.
[14:43]	MinceR	(cat) https://full.pr0gramm.com/2021/08/03/470649d382cc144a.jpg
[14:45]	techrights-news	[Meme] In 2021, Dont Invest Much Time and Effort in the #WorldWideWeb http://techrights.org/2021/08/22/world-wide-web-redux/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/22/world-wide-web-redux/
[14:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] In 2021, Dont Invest Much Time and Effort in the World Wide Web | Techrights
[14:46]	activelow	motorola defunct 2011, and since then passed around from google to lenovo back and forth into the hands of the creme de la creme of the industry
[14:47]	schestowitz-TR	motorola is a fossil
[14:48]	techrights-news	"Technically, there is still till the end of the year to file further constitutional complaints in Germany. Stjerna unveiled further problems in the 2012 emails written by the Ministry of Interior, where they mention that the Statutes of the Court can be adopted at a 3/4 majority" http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/08/18/unified-patent-court-will-start-operating-within-a-year/#comments
[14:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Unified Patent Court will start operating within a year - Kluwer Patent Blog
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[14:48]	psydruid	motorola's chip division was spun out as freescale and is now part of nxp (formerly philips)
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[14:49]	techrights-news	"The UK does no longer wish to have the London Section and to continue the preparations for starting its operation. [...] Without such a Protocol an international authority has no legal basis for acting on the territiry of a State." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/08/18/unified-patent-court-will-start-operating-within-a-year/#comments
[14:49]	activelow	seems no chips are supplied on ebay, nor development kits
[14:49]	activelow	except for documentation z80 isn't convincing either yet
[14:51]	techrights-news	"Even if the proponents of the UPCA were reluctant before Brexit, the new situation created by Brexit should have led to a request for opinion by the #CJEU on the UPCA as it stands. It is difficult to understand why this has not been done." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/08/18/unified-patent-court-will-start-operating-within-a-year/#comments
[14:52]	techrights-news	"Kluwer Patent blogger" = #bristowsLLC shilling, lying and spreading #fakenews anonymously. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Bristows_LLP
[14:52]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bristows LLP - Techrights
[14:54]	techrights-news	#AnalyticsInsight = #microsoft shilling site
[14:55]	techrights-news	[Old] #GNU #Linux will grow in laptops, steadily and gradually. We're patient, we don't have shareholders to "please"... https://fossbytes.com/manjaro-linux-amd-new-ryzen-linux-gaming-laptop/
[14:55]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://fossbytes.com/manjaro-linux-amd-new-ryzen-linux-gaming-laptop/ )
[14:57]	techrights-news	#Debian 11 Bullseye: News, Download, Installation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154502#comment-30655 #gnu #linux
[14:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian GNU/Linux 11 Bullseye Officially Released, This Is Whats New | Tux Machines
[14:59]	techrights-news	Less consumption? GOOD. Well, better for the planet anyway. https://www.beefcentral.com/live-export/se-asia-report-mar-2021-4-2-2-4-4-2/
[14:59]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.beefcentral.com | SE Asia Report: COVID impacts on supply chain worsen - Beef Central
● Aug 22
[15:01]	techrights-news	Imagine what would happen if we banned and shunned corporations for their vastly worse #racism https://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/2021/08/18/jack-morris-shohei-ohtani-comment-suspended/8184804002/
[15:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freep.com | Jack Morris suspended for comment about Shohei Ohtani
[15:04]	techrights-news	#fedora says it stands for inclusion and diversity but under #ibm and #redhat it stands for #racism and #imperialism instead. http://techrights.org/2021/08/20/we-build-fedora-and-then-ibm-blacklists-us/
[15:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Imperialistic Blacklist Machines: Racist IBM and Red Hat Just Like Donald Trump Have Turned Fedora Into an Utterly Racist Project That Blacklists, Shuns and Permanently Bans People Based on Their Nationality Alone | Techrights
[15:06]	techrights-news	#Sacklers still not in prison https://www.jamaicaobserver.com/latestnews/Two_Jamaicans_on_drug_charges_jailed_for_two_years_in_The_Bahamas?profile=1228
[15:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jamaicaobserver.com | Two Jamaicans on drug charges jailed for two years in The Bahamas
[15:08]	techrights-news	Usually, expedited examinations mean favouritism and lack of neutrality https://www.managingip.com/article/b1t73sjrh56q0h/canadian-counsel-expect-wait-for-trademark-exam-delay-fix see http://techrights.org/2015/10/11/closer-contact-with-major-applicants-leaked/
[15:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Canadian counsel expect wait for trademark exam delay fix | Managing Intellectual Property
[15:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Leaked: EPO Prioritises Work for Large Foreign Corporations, Discrimination Not Accidental But Centrally Planned | Techrights
[15:09]	techrights-ipfs-bot	   IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 21.56   IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 4.80 swarm size (avg): 268.02  
[15:15]	techrights-news	SPAMMERS employed by #microsoft now try to paint Microsoft as relevant to #space (actually, space missions and ISS both ABANDONED Windows). And they use appeal to buzzwords like "HEY HI" and "sustainable" ("A roadmap to more sustainable AI systems")
[15:16]	techrights-news	Watch out, #EclipseFoundation ... #microsoft #cult is just trying to infiltrate you. Old tactics. See ASF for cautionary tale: http://techrights.org/2019/04/29/asf-prisoner-of-microsoft/
[15:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | After Killing the Independence of Apache Software Foundation (ASF) Microsoft Steals Its Soul, Too | Techrights
[15:19]	techrights-news	"In Secretary of State for Health and another v Servier Laboratories Ltd and others,[1] the Supreme Court recently considered the scope of the economic tort of causing loss by unlawful means (the unlawful means tort), ultimately finding in the defendants favour" https://www.paulhastings.com/insights/client-alerts/the-supreme-courts-latest-grapple-with-economic-torts-causing-loss-by
[15:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulhastings.com | Paul Hastings LLP - The Supreme Courts Latest Grapple with Economic Torts: Causing Loss by Unlawful Means
[15:21]	techrights-news	#SparkyLinux 6 Po Tolo Released Based on Debian 11 Bullseye http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154679#comment-30656
[15:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SparkyLinux 6.0 Po Tolo Released Based on Debian GNU/Linux 11 Bullseye | Tux Machines
[15:24]	techrights-news	From staging to live: the #techrights wiki is now officially in the front page of the Gemini capsule. Index in gemini://gemini.techrights.org/wiki/
[15:28]	techrights-news	#Perl statistics http://blogs.perl.org/users/mohammad_s_anwar/2021/08/monthly-report---july-2.html #programming
[15:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Monthly Report - July | Mohammad S Anwar [blogs.perl.org]
[15:29]	activelow	personal computers commonly available and anything related with smart phones aren't that old, ~30years i would say globally, and in western realm 5 years earlier
[15:31]	activelow	ok, 40 years
[15:31]	techrights-news	Model-driven observability: the magic of #Juju topology for metrics | Ubuntu https://ubuntu.com//blog/model-driven-observability-part-2-juju-topology-metrics #ubuntu #gnu #linux
[15:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Model-driven observability: the magic of Juju topology for metrics | Ubuntu
[15:31]	activelow	in historical time-scales, that's a blink of an eye
[15:32]	MinceR	https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/show
[15:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Show
[15:32]	techrights-news	The way things are going, few American #oligopolies (or #monopolies in their respective areas) with DRM- and surveillance-oriented agenda (ruthless business model centered around exploiting people) http://techrights.org/2021/08/22/world-wide-web-redux/
[15:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] In 2021, Dont Invest Much Time and Effort in the World Wide Web | Techrights
[15:32]	MinceR	on a geological timescale, it's less than that
[15:34]	schestowitz-TR	humans are a fraction of it
[15:34]	activelow	german language books as old as 1000 years can be read and understood nowadays
[15:34]	schestowitz-TR	the next phase corona inherits the throne
[15:34]	schestowitz-TR	activelow: but are those book of much value?
[15:35]	activelow	and within 40 years production capabilities and supply chains of z80 disappeared?
[15:35]	schestowitz-TR	what's in them? sorcery and stuff?
[15:36]	activelow	maybe, a better example would be some mathematics: euler, fourier, and some ancient ones
[15:36]	techrights-news	#Listeria and #Salmonella https://newsradio1310.com/u-s-recall-possible-bacteria-exposure-in-burger-hot-dog-buns/
[15:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-newsradio1310.com | U.S. RECALL: Possible Bacteria Exposure In Burger & Hot Dog Buns
[15:37]	techrights-news	#apple #keyboards are notoriously bad. More #patents would only help these #marketing stunts and distract from actual signal (furious cult members aka clients) https://telecom.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/apple-patents-keyboard-with-removable-keys/85510752
[15:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-telecom.economictimes.indiatimes.com | Apple: Apple patents keyboard with removable keys, Telecom News, ET Telecom
[15:37]	activelow	a z80 emulator on raspberry isn't what it's supposed to be
[15:39]	techrights-news	#CIPA #UK is a bunch of #patent extremists and liars who liaised with criminals who had destroyed the #epo ... latest: "An earlier CIPA paper suggested as an aside that the output of an AI system is a discovery" http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/08/artificial-intelligence-system-as.html?showComment=1629467071666#c2889492474409637171
[15:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Artificial Intelligence system as inventor in South African patent application: The case of DABUS - The IPKat
[15:40]	techrights-news	Can I 'own' the sky too? The word "sky"? https://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/08/guest-post-skykicks-back-with-bad-faith.html
[15:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | [Guest post] SkyKicks back with a bad faith shocker from the Court of Appeal of England and Wales - The IPKat
[15:41]	activelow	the reason why MSXVR is served with a raspberry is probably this: not because it is better, because the industry couldn't provide native gear anymore
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[15:42]	MinceR	also, plain MSX can't run ThreadX
[15:42]	techrights-news	Arijit Kundu: GSoC 2021 | Faces of GNOME https://arijit-kundu.medium.com/gsoc-2021-faces-of-gnome-8bc05845e064 #gsoc #gnome #gnu #linux
[15:42]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arijit-kundu.medium.com | GSoC 2021 | Faces of GNOME. As Google Summer of Code 21 comes to an | by Arijit Kundu | Aug, 2021 | Medium
[15:43]	MinceR	if it's a microsoft product, it has got to have malware built in
[15:44]	techrights-news	#GNOME and #KDE GSoC Reports http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154763#comment-30657
[15:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME and Debian GSoC Reports | Tux Machines
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[15:48]	techrights-news	Building #RepRap 3D printer - GeekSocket https://geeksocket.in/posts/reprap-3d-printer/ #geeksocket
[15:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-geeksocket.in | Building RepRap 3D printer GeekSocket
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[15:51]	activelow	it wasn't the chips and parts, it was the production facilities and educated staff: https://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/12/us/for-parts-nasa-boldly-goes-on-ebay.html
[15:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | For Parts, NASA Boldly Goes . . . on eBay - The New York Times
[15:51]	techrights-news	Oliva: Architecting Software for Freedom in Networked Services or Who Does This Free Server Software Really Serve? http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/blogs/lxo/draft/decent-computing.en.html
[15:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsfla.org | ::[FSFLA]:: Architecting Software for Freedom in Networked Services
[15:52]	techrights-news	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154771 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[15:52]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines
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[15:56]	techrights-news	#Pardus 21.0 Srm Yaynland https://www.pardus.org.tr/duyurular/pardus-21-0-surumu-yayinlandi/ #gnu #linux distro for #turkey ... still going strong, used in loads of schools across the country
[15:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pardus.org.tr | Pardus 21.0 Srm Yaynland Pardus TBTAK ULAKBM
[15:57]	techrights-news	"Which company is that? I am looking to leave #IBM ASAP." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1cqi7ooS#replies #redhat #bigblue #exodus
[15:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Always be prepared - post regarding IBM layoffs
[15:58]	techrights-news	#PisiLinux 2.2.1 from #turkey is also out. But latest post is https://www.pisilinux.org/blog/content/89-pisi-linux-2-2-beta-testi-ve-birkac-anekdot.html #gnu #linux #freesw
[15:58]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pisilinux.org | Pisi GNU/Linux - zgrlk imdi Balad
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[16:00]	techrights-news	This Week in Linux 165: #PineNote E-Ink Tablet, MATE 1.26, #Manjaro 21.1, Zorin OS 16, Slackware | TuxDigital https://tuxdigital.com/2021/08/thisweekinlinux-165/ #TuxDigital #GNU #Linux
[16:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-165: PineNote E-Ink Tablet, MATE 1.26, Manjaro 21.1, Zorin OS 16, Slackware | This Week in Linux - TuxDigital
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[16:02]	techrights-news	#Intel 's #IWD 1.17 Wireless Daemon Brings More Fixes - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-IWD-1.17 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks
[16:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel's IWD 1.17 Wireless Daemon Brings More Fixes - Phoronix
[16:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intel leaks - Techrights
[16:05]	techrights-news	http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154763#comment-30658
[16:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME and Debian GSoC Reports | Tux Machines
[16:05]	techrights-news	Adding Custom Stamps Support To #Okular http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154763#comment-30658 #kde #gsoc
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[16:07]	schestowitz-TR	hi techrights_guest|63
[16:12]	techrights-news	#Debian -based #SparkyLinux 6.0 'Po Tolo' can make your old PC feel like new again! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154679#comment-30659
[16:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SparkyLinux 6.0 Po Tolo Released Based on Debian GNU/Linux 11 Bullseye | Tux Machines
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[16:13]	techrights-news	#Debian 11 "bullseye" offers more than ~2X performance in certain applications http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154772 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[16:13]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian 11 "bullseye" offers more than ~2X performance in certain applications | Tux Machines
[16:14]	techrights-news	Tired: What3Words. Wired: A clone location-tracking service based on FOUR words and they are all extremely rude The Register https://www.theregister.com/2021/08/14/sweary_four_word_map/ #theregister
[16:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Tired: What3Words. Wired: A clone location-tracking service based on FOUR words and they are all extremely rude The Register
[16:16]	techrights-news	#ProprietarySoftware https://siliconangle.com/2021/08/17/blackberry-qnx-flaw-prompts-warnings-government-authorities/ #QNX #BlackBerry #SiliconANGLE
[16:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BlackBerry QNX flaw prompts warnings from government authorities - SiliconANGLE
[16:18]	techrights-news	On the 30th Anniversary of the #WorldWideWeb https://bccatholic.ca/voices/peter-vogel/on-the-30th-anniversary-of-the-worldwideweb #www died as an open platform within a decade, two decades later it was #monopolies and now it's mostly #monoculture and a joke
[16:18]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bccatholic.ca | On the 30th Anniversary of the WorldWideWeb - BC Catholic - Multimedia Catholic News
[16:20]	techrights-news	There are many more hurdles, but #TeamUPC does not want to talk about these; the obstacles to the ruinous agenda they have for #Europe ... https://www.ipupdate.com/2021/07/unified-at-last-germanys-constitutional-court-removes-upc-hurdle/
[16:20]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ipupdate.com | Unified at Last? Germany's Constitutional Court Removes UPC Hurdle
[16:23]	techrights-news	"The latest European patent for the MN-166-riluzole combination for ALS" https://alsnewstoday.com/news-posts/2021/08/20/combat-als-trial-mn-166-seeking-patients-north-america/ http://techrights.org/2021/03/25/epo-potential-improvements/
[16:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-alsnewstoday.com | COMBAT-ALS Trial Testing MN-166 Still Seeking Patients in North America
[16:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Staff Representation Again Warns About Collapse in Patent Quality (Due to Bad Management), Suggests Potential Improvements | Techrights
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[16:26]	techrights-news	#ibm : "MASTER" is a racist word. Moments ago in #bbc an African goalkeeper is called "Mendy the master of clean sheets" https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/57738375 see http://techrights.org/2021/02/23/minds-of-profound-racists/
[16:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Premier League LIVE: Arsenal v Chelsea, Southampton v Man Utd & Wolves v Tottenham score, commentary & updates - Live - BBC Sport
[16:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Word Master is Not Problematic in Most Contexts and Its Origin Hasnt a Connection to Slavery | Techrights
[16:32]	techrights-news	Microsoft booster (Thurrott) twists #LibreOffice 7.2 as MS thing http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154674#comment-30660
[16:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice 7.2 Office Suite Is Now Available for Download, This Is What's New | Tux Machines
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[16:35]	techrights-news	[Old] #TeamUPC at it domestically too https://www.mondaq.com/germany/trade-secrets/1085926/the-german-parliament-adopts-government-bill-for-a-second-act-concerning-the-simplification-and-modernization-of-german-patent-law
[16:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | The German Parliament Adopts Government Bill For A Second Act Concerning The Simplification And Modernization Of German Patent Law - Intellectual Property - Germany
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[16:36]	techrights-news	Supreme Peoples Court? Whose? Which people? The rulers. The oligarchs who are connected to them.
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[16:47]	techrights-news	Why are some 'Linux' sites foolish enough to help #microsoft push #proprietarySoftware #malware into #gnu #linux boxes (including repos that give Microsoft and the NSA ROOT ACCESS)? https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-microsoft-edge-on-debian-11/
[16:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to Install Microsoft Edge on Debian 11 - LinuxCapable
[16:49]	techrights-news	#microsoft HATES #gnu #linux MORE THAN EVER (ever before!) because it is taking Microsoft's business away while Microsoft buys back its shares and defrauds shareholders http://techrights.org/2021/06/29/survey-server-report/
[16:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Has Become Almost Extinct in Web Servers (and in Servers in General), But the Mainstream Media Rarely If Ever Talks About That | Techrights
[16:51]	techrights-news	The #UPC that is not dead: https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_explains_how_the_ecooled_display_of_the_galaxy_z_fold3_saves_energy_improves_the_upc_cam-news-50533.php
[16:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Samsung Galaxy Z Fold3's Eco2OLED display saves energy, improves the UPC cam - GSMArena.com news
[16:54]	techrights-news	#media has failed to do its job investigating the #ibm #layoffs https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1csQpo8W see http://techrights.org/2021/08/21/ibm-layoffs-in-marketing/
[16:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Last Week RA - post regarding IBM layoffs
[16:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Many IBM Layoffs (in Marketing), But the Media Is Not Mentioning Those Layoffs At All | Techrights
[16:55]	techrights-news	#salmonella again. #food quality going down while prices soar? And they will blame #pandemic all the time? https://live959.com/stop-shop-is-recalling-some-of-its-store-brand-shrimp/
[16:55]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-live959.com | Stop & Shop is Recalling Some of its Store Brand Shrimp
[16:57]	techrights-news	What an utterly misleading headline; #EPO is based in #Germany , so this is biased (they omit that part) and EPO mostly serves non-European companies; only a third of applications are from Europe https://www.valuewalk.com/3-of-the-10-corporations-with-the-most-patent-applications-are-from-germany/
[16:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Corporations With The Most Patent Applications Are From Germany - ValueWalk
[16:59]	techrights-news	#uspto #fakepatents #monopolies #ptab #cafc https://www.beckersspine.com/orthopedic-a-spine-device-a-implant-news/item/52507-nuvasive-s-spine-surgery-patent-claims-won-t-be-revived-appellate-court-rules.html
[16:59]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.beckersspine.com | NuVasive's spine surgery patent claims won't be revived, appellate court rules
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[17:01]	techrights-news	In propaganda mill of the patent litigation cartel, Patrick Wingrove boosts profiteers who exploit pandemic for price-fixing while killing millions of poor people (to keep prices artificially inflated) https://www.managingip.com/article/b1t71r5cgb10d6/corner-office-podcast-pfizer-patent-chief-on-vaccine-ip-and-the-waiver
[17:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Corner office podcast: Pfizer patent chief on vaccine IP and the waiver | Managing Intellectual Property
[17:05]	techrights-news	The Gnome 2 Fork MATE Desktop 1.26 Released for Old Computers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154658#comment-30661
[17:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | MATE 1.26 released | Tux Machines
[17:09]	techrights-ipfs-bot	   IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 21.28   IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 35.00 swarm size (avg): 268.01  
[17:14]	AdmFubar	https://www.databreaches.net/u-s-state-department-recently-hit-by-a-cyber-attack-fox-news/
[17:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.databreaches.net | U.S. State Department recently hit by a cyber attack Fox News
[17:16]	AdmFubar	https://www.databreaches.net/renner-stores-goes-down-after-ransomware-infection/
[17:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.databreaches.net | Renner Stores Goes Down After Ransomware Infection
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[17:17]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, I don't know when to get our vaccine.
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[17:17]	schestowitz-TR	why do you ask me?
[17:18]	DaemonFC	One of the links was about the Pfizer vaccine.
[17:18]	DaemonFC	They gave up and recommended boosters because they are committed to keep buying them whether they go bad or not.
[17:18]	schestowitz-TR	ah, I see
[17:18]	schestowitz-TR	yes, I spoke about their patents
[17:18]	schestowitz-TR	outrageous
[17:18]	DaemonFC	We don't know if it's worth it. Like, what the potential risk is to benefit.
[17:19]	DaemonFC	People stopped taking them fast enough to use up our allotment so now the government recommends boosters and hopes that slows it down a little.
[17:19]	DaemonFC	This is ridiculous.
[17:20]	DaemonFC	I don't see boosters slowing COVID down much in people who already had the two-dose Pfizer course, even last year.
[17:20]	DaemonFC	There's nothing to suggest that it will.
[17:20]	DaemonFC	I mean, a little bit maybe, but not as much as getting more people to take the two doses.
[17:21]	DaemonFC	The fact that antibodies become undetectable doesn't seem to mean that immunity has worn off.
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[17:21]	techrights-news	Links 22/8/2021: IWD 1.17 and Pardus 21.0 http://techrights.org/2021/08/22/pardus-21-0/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/08/22/pardus-21-0/
[17:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 22/8/2021: IWD 1.17 and Pardus 21.0 | Techrights
[17:22]	DaemonFC	Mom's friend who had COVID in April of last year was told this month that he would be dropped from his Physician's Assistant classes 5/6ths of the way into the program, and lose all of his credits, if he didn't take the vaccine, even if he continued doing his remote classes.
[17:22]	techrights-news	#ProprietarySoftware Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154773 #TuxMachines
[17:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux Machines
[17:22]	DaemonFC	He hasn't had detectable antibodies since December, and they know because he was donating plasma because of that.
[17:22]	techrights-news	Architecting Software for Freedom in Networked Services http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154774 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #FSF
[17:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Architecting Software for Freedom in Networked Services | Tux Machines
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[17:22]	DaemonFC	As soon as he took a dose of the Pfizer vaccine last week, he was sick in bed all week with severe COVID-like symptoms.
[17:23]	techrights-news	#OpenHardware/Modding: 3D Printing and DIY Air Quality Sensor http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154775 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[17:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware/Modding: 3D Printing and DIY Air Quality Sensor | Tux Machines
[17:23]	techrights-news	Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154776 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[17:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[17:23]	DaemonFC	Obviously, the immune system in a person who has had COVID seems to remember what it is long after the specific antibodies to it are no longer detectable in a lab.
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[17:24]	schestowitz-TR	maybe they will finish the clinical trials in a couple of years
[17:24]	DaemonFC	Normally, that would be exactly what you wanted to see happen. You get it once and years and years might go by before you were vulnerable to severe disease again.
[17:24]	DaemonFC	But now they're telling these people get vaccinated anyway or else, and it seems to put them in unnecessary risk just so the government can foist vaccines on everyone, even when they aren't needed.
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[17:26]	DaemonFC	The second dose had Mandy in bed for a couple days. I'm almost debating with myself if we should skip the booster with him or if it would be worth the risk since he's exposed to nasty people all day long.
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[17:27]	schestowitz-TR	I think it would be better to limit this channel to patent issues associated with the vaccines
[17:27]	schestowitz-TR	the other channels are more suitable for other aspects
[17:27]	DaemonFC	Well, each dose is a patent license.
[17:27]	schestowitz-TR	or we'll go astray
[17:27]	DaemonFC	So we have to ask whether the booster is medically necessary or just another license.
[17:27]	schestowitz-TR	it's a subscription 
[17:28]	schestowitz-TR	and they say you cannot "mix"
[17:28]	schestowitz-TR	in the UK they still study "mixing"
[17:28]	schestowitz-TR	more clinical trials
[17:28]	schestowitz-TR	so they want customers for life
[17:28]	schestowitz-TR	and caution you must stay with the same "vendor"
[17:29]	DaemonFC	One of Mandy's coworkers is in quarantine for two weeks.
[17:29]	techrights-news	Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/154777 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines
[17:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
[17:29]	DaemonFC	He got COVID after going to the Philippines and getting the Astrazeneca vaccine there.
[17:29]	schestowitz-TR	vaccination is not immunity
[17:29]	DaemonFC	The AZ one is crap, but since it's the Philippines I wonder if he actually even got that or just some shit in a mystery syringe that was also in 400 other people that day.
[17:30]	schestowitz-TR	it just practices the body
[17:30]	schestowitz-TR	vaccinated people still get covid
[17:30]	schestowitz-TR	many pass covid
[17:30]	schestowitz-TR	liuke in stadiums and parties
[17:30]	DaemonFC	Why in God's name would you get an injection in the Philippines when you could get a Pfizer shot in America where you know the guy in the pharmacy throws the needle away.
[17:30]	schestowitz-TR	many also die, but they're less likely to die than those who never got any jab
[17:31]	schestowitz-TR	many countries throw their trash vaccines into .ph
[17:31]	schestowitz-TR	"donatons"
[17:31]	schestowitz-TR	like the india-made AZ
[17:31]	schestowitz-TR	and sinovax
[17:31]	schestowitz-TR	or vac, whatever
[17:31]	schestowitz-TR	anyway, it's ot
[17:31]	schestowitz-TR	later.....
[17:35]	XRevan86	I heard EU doesn't recognise Covishield (India-made AZ).
[17:36]	schestowitz-TR	how about sputik-version?
[17:37]	schestowitz-TR	*sputnik
[17:38]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Also no, but the individual list of countries that accept it looks to be larger.
[17:42]	schestowitz-TR	they politicised it
[17:42]	schestowitz-TR	crapbut western =aproved
[17:42]	schestowitz-TR	just because it's from "good guys"
[17:42]	schestowitz-TR	ridiculous
[17:46]	XRevan86	Looks like bureaucracy is at play here too.
● Aug 22
[18:05]	schestowitz-TR	yes, politic
[18:05]	schestowitz-TR	politics
[18:05]	schestowitz-TR	human race is fucked
[18:05]	schestowitz-TR	in geological terms it cannot survive very long
[18:05]	schestowitz-TR	for many reasons
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[18:06]	schestowitz-TR	let's hope no nuclear wars and water wars in my lifetime
[18:06]	schestowitz-TR	the water wars started already
[18:06]	schestowitz-TR	in india, california etc.
[18:06]	schestowitz-TR	people will always say "climate" and "not enough water" instead of "too many humans"
[18:08]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Russia being not as densely populated didn't stop Nornickel from ruining a lot of water.
[18:08]	schestowitz-TR	wow, ssd to external magnetic disk is now 100mb/sec over  usb2
[18:08]	schestowitz-TR	with two magtenics it was like 10 times slower
[18:09]	schestowitz-TR	XRevan86: some water is contaminated by nukes
[18:09]	schestowitz-TR	not in japan/tepco
[18:09]	schestowitz-TR	but in russia
[18:09]	schestowitz-TR	covering the water with cement
[18:09]	schestowitz-TR	human invention!!
[18:09]	schestowitz-TR	smartest species on this planet ;-)
[18:11]	AdmFubar	how sat that data transfer will depend on if they are on the same bus
[18:11]	AdmFubar	sat=fast
[18:12]	AdmFubar	https://www.n2yo.com/satellite-news/Pentagon-Poised-To-Unveil-Demonstrate-Classified-Space-Weapon-/7392
[18:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.n2yo.com | Pentagon Poised To Unveil, Demonstrate Classified Space Weapon
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[18:16]	schestowitz-TR	posing
[18:16]	schestowitz-TR	and PR /deterrence
[18:16]	schestowitz-TR	50+ years ago they boasted about capturing alient tech
[18:16]	schestowitz-TR	to scare the soviets
[18:16]	schestowitz-TR	all the money goes down a drain
[18:16]	schestowitz-TR	taliban earned some americans trillions in grifting
[18:17]	schestowitz-TR	over 20 years
[18:17]	schestowitz-TR	whether intentionally or not, wuham showed that one dodgy lab can do far more damage to the west then several nukes can
[18:17]	schestowitz-TR	or space "weapons"
[18:19]		*schestowitz-TR passes 40GB of video files (2-3 months' worth) to 3 external drives
[18:19]	schestowitz-TR	this current drive does 140mb/sec
[18:20]	schestowitz-TR	*wuhan
[18:26]	DaemonFC	At this point, vaccination is just an intelligence test.
[18:26]	DaemonFC	Take it or have that.
[18:26]	DaemonFC	You know? I don't think Biden should be pressing Republicans to go get the vaccine.
[18:27]	DaemonFC	They can just laugh themselves all the way to wherever they decide to go. It's their call.
[18:27]	DaemonFC	I was going to get a COVID test before traveling, but it turns out that it's not that straightforward, so I just gave up.
[18:28]	DaemonFC	They make it sound very convenient and free and then you get to the drug store and they go no we don't actually do them here, but you can buy this stupid thing that looks like a pregnancy test, isn't accurate, and needs a cell phone.
[18:29]	DaemonFC	Requires a cell phone with an app and bluetooth, instead of turning red for COVID and blue for NOT COVID or something.
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[18:29]	DaemonFC	You're POSITIVE! For dumbassedness.
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[18:31]	XRevan86	DaemonFC: That would be too accessible.
[18:32]	schestowitz-TR	Red Hat = Trump supporter
[18:32]	schestowitz-TR	Blue Hat = patent subscriber
[18:33]	XRevan86	DaemonFC: "I don't think Biden should be pressing Republicans to go get the vaccine." Need I remind you that everyone's interacting and such?
[18:34]	schestowitz-TR	if the reds don't want it,send it elsewhere, free
[18:34]	schestowitz-TR	maybe to mexico
[18:34]	schestowitz-TR	then ponder why mexico becomes less deadly than red states
[18:37]	XRevan86	Why are they afraid of these days? Cooties? Anti-Christ? Autism?
[18:37]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, I was worried I'd give mom COVID or something and then we get down there and she gets a phone call that COVID is back where she works and they wanted her to come in for a test.
[18:37]	DaemonFC	The people who got it had the Moderna vaccine.
[18:38]	schestowitz-TR	ok...
[18:38]	DaemonFC	They're pretty sick apparently.
[18:38]	DaemonFC	That goes along with the Marion General Hospital being filled to the brim with fully vaccinated Moderna patients.
[18:38]	DaemonFC	The Moderna vaccine obviously has problems nobody will publish.
[18:39]	DaemonFC	So if you never hear about it from anyone but me, that's why.
[18:39]	DaemonFC	It's being suppressed. Meanwhile, you can still go get that one, but it won't really help you that much.
[18:45]	schestowitz-TR	let's get back on topic
[18:45]	schestowitz-TR	activelow would probably be happy to discuss in #techpol
[18:45]	schestowitz-TR	i am doing many backups today
[18:46]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: my sister got moderna
[18:46]	schestowitz-TR	I mentioned to her the dementia thing you brought up, cautioning i have no source for it
[18:47]	schestowitz-TR	is your source word of mouth? gossip? hearsay?
[18:47]	DaemonFC	Direct observation of patients who took it.
[18:47]	DaemonFC	Several facilities.
[18:47]	DaemonFC	Can't be much more specific.
[18:48]	DaemonFC	It was passed along by trusted sources.
[18:48]	schestowitz-TR	your mom?
[18:48]	schestowitz-TR	to your mom?
[18:48]	DaemonFC	Several others as well.
[18:48]	schestowitz-TR	via your mom?
[18:48]	schestowitz-TR	what does the dementia thing rely upon?
[18:49]	schestowitz-TR	I mean, you need very longterm study for that?
[18:49]	DaemonFC	They went into the nursing homes in Indiana and gave Moderna to the residents.
[18:49]	schestowitz-TR	they detect memory losses in patients?
[18:49]	DaemonFC	Right after getting it, many of them went into sudden and severe cognitive decline that would have been otherwise unexpected for that many people.
[18:49]	DaemonFC	Yes. They evaluate progression of dementia in every patient.
[18:50]	schestowitz-TR	ok, sounds plausible, but
[18:50]	DaemonFC	One of them apparently got the Moderna shot and then within a day lost all functionality of that arm.
[18:50]	schestowitz-TR	what is the explanation and correlation?
[18:50]	DaemonFC	Hasn't returned.
[18:50]	schestowitz-TR	maybe clot?
[18:50]	DaemonFC	That's just one person though.
[18:51]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz-TR> maybe clot?
[18:51]	DaemonFC	Perhaps.
[18:51]	schestowitz-TR	ouch
[18:51]	schestowitz-TR	the media reports on the balance of probabilities
[18:51]	DaemonFC	It's all speculative, but I would not take Moderna based on what I'm hearing from family members who are nurses in nursing homes and observe the results.
[18:51]	schestowitz-TR	better 1000 demented  patients in a nursing home than 1000 dead
[18:51]	DaemonFC	Cognitive decline, breakthrough infections, etc.
[18:51]	schestowitz-TR	so I suppose they don't want to alarm people
[18:52]	schestowitz-TR	pension firms make a killing
[18:52]	schestowitz-TR	less to pay out
[18:52]	schestowitz-TR	a million dead americans by year's end
[18:52]	schestowitz-TR	assuming another winter like 2020
[18:52]	schestowitz-TR	4k dead a day
[18:53]	DaemonFC	I think it's safe to say that if we had 176,000 new cases on Friday, then we're going to have January-like deaths pretty soon.
[18:53]	DaemonFC	During September maybe.
[18:53]	schestowitz-TR	i see no reason to think winter 2022 will be better
[18:53]	schestowitz-TR	reason being
[18:53]	schestowitz-TR	those with least resistance to being vaccinated already got it
[18:53]	schestowitz-TR	we made no real progress this year
[18:54]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC: you need to check number of cases
[18:54]	schestowitz-TR	than take a 3-4 week gap from it
[18:54]	schestowitz-TR	to see the deaths corresponding to those surges
[18:54]	DaemonFC	Yes, we are vaccinating about 3% of the state over the course of a month at this point, in Illinois.
[18:54]	DaemonFC	And 51% is fully vaccinated.
[18:54]	schestowitz-TR	assuming x% die within y weeks
[18:55]	DaemonFC	It will slow further from there, of course.
[18:55]	DaemonFC	We're probably never going to get to where we need to be to stop this.
[18:55]	schestowitz-TR	then they go after children
[18:55]	schestowitz-TR	to maintain illusion of ongoing momentum
[18:55]	schestowitz-TR	and keep production going
[18:55]	schestowitz-TR	more patent licensing, bulk orders
[18:55]	DaemonFC	https://vivaldi.com/blog/desktop/minor-update-3-for-desktop-browser-4-1/
[18:55]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Minor update (3) for Vivaldi Desktop Browser 4.1 | Vivaldi Browser
[18:55]	DaemonFC	Vivaldi added an import mail from Opera 12.x feature.
[18:56]	schestowitz-TR	the kids will spread it trough schools no matter if they get jabbed
[18:56]	DaemonFC	There were a few holdouts on that branch that were/are STILL using it.
[18:56]	schestowitz-TR	they need to move classrooms outdoors except in winter
[18:56]	schestowitz-TR	and make masks mandatory
[18:56]	schestowitz-TR	the jabs won't improve survival probability for pupils
[18:56]	schestowitz-TR	as it kills so few of them anyway
[18:57]	schestowitz-TR	wow
[18:57]	schestowitz-TR	vivaldi versus opera
[18:57]	schestowitz-TR	like owncloud vs mycloud
[18:57]	schestowitz-TR	a founder picking on his original creation
[18:57]	DaemonFC	A lot of people did not like the "new" Opera and kept pushing Opera 12.
[18:57]	schestowitz-TR	or brave on firefox
[18:57]	DaemonFC	They slipped out an update that made it compatible enough to keep using, intended for people stuck on XP or something.
[18:57]	schestowitz-TR	I put opera on a mobile, not mine, the other day
[18:57]	DaemonFC	But nothing since then.
[18:58]	schestowitz-TR	turns out opera mini still runs on android 2ish
[18:58]	DaemonFC	It's crazy. They keep developing Presto, but only as part of their Opera Mini server.
[18:58]	schestowitz-TR	seems like old dervices and computers are more than a niche market still
[18:58]	DaemonFC	So they develop it anyway even though this Chromium desktop version is utter shit.
[18:58]	schestowitz-TR	android 2 is about a decade old
[18:59]	schestowitz-TR	they started the version inflation around that time
[18:59]	schestowitz-TR	+1 each year
[18:59]	DaemonFC	People are used to major version bumps.
[18:59]	schestowitz-TR	system version 200 soon
[18:59]	DaemonFC	Maybe the new supermarket prices will just be like Firefox updates.
[18:59]	schestowitz-TR	and cockpit
[18:59]	DaemonFC	Under Biden you just add another $1 to that item every 3 months.
[18:59]	schestowitz-TR	maybe total for your cart
● Aug 22
[19:00]	schestowitz-TR	+1$ each month
[19:00]	schestowitz-TR	12%inflation fot $100 cart
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[19:00]	schestowitz-TR	annual
[19:00]	schestowitz-TR	our electric and water bills are like that
[19:00]	DaemonFC	Speaking of which, I need to leave early and do some light shopping today.
[19:00]	schestowitz-TR	growing a lot faster than inflation, much like food and council tax
[19:01]	DaemonFC	I have to use that pressure cooker and the new lid isn't here yet.
[19:01]	schestowitz-TR	ok, happy shopping
[19:01]	schestowitz-TR	later
[19:01]	DaemonFC	Maybe run by the PO Box and check.
[19:01]	schestowitz-TR	we go outdoors in 2 years too
[19:01]	schestowitz-TR	must send a parcel
[19:01]	schestowitz-TR	*2 days
[19:01]	schestowitz-TR	not 2 years
[19:01]	schestowitz-TR	2 years we might go back to the gym
[19:02]	schestowitz-TR	rianne sold a suit jacket, need to dispatch that
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[19:09]	AdmFubar	https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/razer-bug-lets-you-become-a-windows-10-admin-by-plugging-in-a-mouse/
[19:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Razer bug lets you become a Windows 10 admin by plugging in a mouse
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[19:36]	AdmFubar	gawd I miss the old opera....
[19:37]	XRevan86	AdmFubar: The death of Pavarotti took a toll on you too?
[19:39]	schestowitz-TR	died just now?
[19:39]	schestowitz-TR	ah, 2007
[19:39]	schestowitz-TR	nm
[19:39]	XRevan86	schestowitz: heh
[19:42]	XRevan86	Regarding Opera 12-, I never liked its performance, and I'm pretty glad I never adopted that proprietary piece of work, and, like any proprietary thing, it is unsalvageable.
[19:43]	XRevan86	Of course, a browser is in general hard to salvage but when it comes to something like Opera 12-, it's in the theoretically impossible plane.
[19:44]	AdmFubar	https://otter-browser.org/
[19:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-otter-browser.org | Otter Browser
[19:45]	XRevan86	It inspired a QtWebEngine browser (Otter) and a direct Chromium derivative (Vivaldi), sure.
[19:45]	AdmFubar	loved the environment, everything was a tab away.  email and rss built in. fast at rendering pages.
[19:51]	MinceR	i used opera before mozilla was usable
[19:52]	XRevan86	AdmFubar: "fast at rendering pages" yea no.
[19:52]	MinceR	as for "crap" vaccines...
[19:54]	MinceR	afaik every EMA-approved vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 tends to produce an immune response, even in people who are over 60 years old
[19:54]	MinceR	sinopharm's actual crap doesn't
[19:54]	MinceR	it's so bad the hungarian communist party (aka fideath) is pushing for a third dose
[19:55]	XRevan86	MinceR: Is that why I can't remember that they even exist?
[19:56]	AdmFubar	yes it was faster than other browsers at the time
[19:56]	MinceR	\_()_/
[19:56]	XRevan86	Maybe it's because I looked at it when it was already fading, but Firefox performed significantly better for me.
[19:56]	MinceR	vivaldi is hilarious though
[19:57]	MinceR	they didn't like that opera became a chromium fork, so they made another chromium fork
[19:57]	MinceR	problem solved
[19:57]	MinceR	.
[19:57]	XRevan86	MinceR: Oh, I thought because it's so colourful it can tear one's eye in more than one way.
[19:58]	AdmFubar	the biggest issue was the javascript in it... that was slow and more sites  were dumping loads of js into your brows to biuld pageser
[19:58]	XRevan86	umping loads of js into one's brows can also tear an eye
[19:58]	XRevan86	* dumping
[19:58]	AdmFubar	I started using opera at vers 9 or so
● Aug 22
[20:01]	MinceR	:)
[20:04]	AdmFubar	eeeps memory is going... I started using at version 3...;)
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[20:10]	AdmFubar	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Opera_web_browser
[20:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | History of the Opera web browser - Wikipedia
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[20:17]	MinceR	i think i started using opera sometime around version 5 or 6
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[21:23]	DaemonFC	I scheduled a COVID test for Tuesday.
[21:23]	DaemonFC	That ought to say whether I picked it up last week in Indiana or not.
[21:25]	DaemonFC	https://www.pcmag.com/news/apple-co-founder-steve-wozniak-publicly-backs-right-to-repair
[21:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple Co-Founder Steve Wozniak Publicly Backs Right to Repair | PCMag
[21:25]	DaemonFC	I like Steve Wozniak, personally.
[21:25]	DaemonFC	He hasn't had anything to do with Apple, really, since the days where you could use them as a general purpose computer.
[21:26]	DaemonFC	I think they still give him a title and an ongoing salary, but other than that, he doesn't actually work there.
[21:26]	DaemonFC	It's just a thing for being a co-founder.
[21:26]	DaemonFC	Sort of like a fancy pension.
[21:28]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, Mandy's iPhone battery is almost kaput after a year and a half.
[21:29]	schestowitz-TR	how do you know it's not "apps" eating it up?
[21:29]	schestowitz-TR	did you do a diagnosis?
[21:29]	DaemonFC	The whole point is you're supposed to give up and buy another one. Apple changed the SE Gen2 battery just enough that the one from the original SE and 8 won't work.
[21:30]	DaemonFC	The guy down at Batteries+Bulbs ordered a new battery in. It's a $59.99 repair.
[21:31]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, The iPhone has a Battery Health screen, and it says 89%.
[21:31]	DaemonFC	But in reality, on iPhones, I've found that when it says that, it doesn't actually mean that the battery is okay.
[21:32]	DaemonFC	"Microsoft Edge
[21:32]	DaemonFC	 Version 92.0.902.78 (Official build) (64-bit)
[21:32]	DaemonFC	 Update policies are configured but will be ignored because this device isn't domain joined."
[21:32]	DaemonFC	LOL
[21:32]	DaemonFC	WTF
[21:36]	schestowitz-TR	malware
[21:37]	schestowitz-TR	and some 'linux' sites help it
[21:38]	schestowitz-TR	today: [16:47] <techrights-news> Why are some 'Linux' sites foolish enough to help #microsoft push #proprietarySoftware #malware into #gnu #linux boxes (including repos that give Microsoft and the NSA ROOT ACCESS)? https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-microsoft-edge-on-debian-11/
[21:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to Install Microsoft Edge on Debian 11 - LinuxCapable
[21:40]	DaemonFC	https://www.nbcchicago.com/entertainment/entertainment-news/phil-valentine-radio-host-who-regretted-vaccine-skepticism-dies-of-covid-19/2595727/
[21:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcchicago.com | Phil Valentine, Radio Host Who Regretted Vaccine Skepticism, Dies of Covid-19 NBC Chicago
[21:44]	schestowitz-TR	some of them are meeting many people and are not young
[21:45]	DaemonFC	Yes, mom was doing that all week.
[21:45]	schestowitz-TR	they should definitely consider the balance of risks better
[21:45]	schestowitz-TR	they're not kids!
[21:45]	DaemonFC	Nobody in Indiana was wearing their mask.
[21:45]	schestowitz-TR	same here
[21:45]	DaemonFC	Then some drunken skank got up in Mandy's face and was after him to take pictures at the beach.
[21:45]	DaemonFC	It was a good day other than that.
[21:45]	schestowitz-TR	since Borisnaro declared "freedom day"
[21:46]	DaemonFC	That was pretty cringeworthy.
[21:47]	schestowitz-TR	you have a beach in IL? At the lake you mean?>
[21:48]	schestowitz-TR	some really bad experience for my sister last week
[21:48]	schestowitz-TR	some lunatic honking at her like mad and giving her the finger
[21:48]	schestowitz-TR	in portland
[21:48]	schestowitz-TR	she was terrified
[21:48]	schestowitz-TR	(that's even without covid)
[21:49]	schestowitz-TR	there's a joke here among past colleagues
[21:49]	schestowitz-TR	about how USians are too chatty
[21:49]	schestowitz-TR	like approaching total strangers at the airport to chat with them
[21:49]	schestowitz-TR	we don't do that here
[21:49]	schestowitz-TR	sounds like mandy found out manic extoverts don't respect social distancing either
[21:50]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz-TR> you have a beach in IL? At the lake you mean?>
[21:50]	DaemonFC	Indiana and Illinois.
[21:50]	DaemonFC	We were at the Indiana Dunes. Part of the park is federal, and part state.
[21:50]	DaemonFC	We were in the federal one, which is better, and free.
[21:51]	DaemonFC	The only reason to use the state park is if you are camping, because it has a campground, but you'd be best off to buy a seasonal pass for the state parks to use it.
[21:51]	DaemonFC	Otherwise getting in and out adds $7 per day if you have Indiana plates and $9.50 if you're out of state.
[21:53]	DaemonFC	Illinois has beaches all the way from Chicago on up through Lake County.
[21:53]	DaemonFC	It's pretty trashy though.
[21:54]	DaemonFC	It attracts the folks from the cities and they are rude, criminal, disorderly.
[21:54]	DaemonFC	In ways that just don't happen in Indiana because it wouldn't be tolerated. Plus it's harder to get there.
[21:54]	DaemonFC	Theoretically, city people from Chicago can get to the Indiana dunes without a car.
[21:55]	DaemonFC	You'd take the South Shore Line down to the stop at 2 Dunes Highway and it's a brisk walk to the hotel or the beach. Possible, I suppose.
[21:57]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz-TR> some lunatic honking at her like mad and giving her the finger
[21:58]	DaemonFC	Well it's Portland, so....
[21:58]	DaemonFC	Again, far left liberal city. Everyone there is crazy. A bunch of riotous freeloader Communists.
[21:59]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz-TR> like approaching total strangers at the airport to chat with them
[21:59]	DaemonFC	There's a difference between being friendly and striking up small talk with a stranger.
[21:59]	DaemonFC	And getting in their face at a beach, when you're violating the park's open bottle law with one hand and cigarette in the other. :)
[21:59]	DaemonFC	And shouting.
● Aug 22
[22:00]		*schestowitz-TR back
[22:00]	DaemonFC	Women have a propensity to find the biggest dumbest man they can find, right?
[22:00]	DaemonFC	Then let him alternate between fucking her and abusing her.
[22:01]	DaemonFC	It's just a general rule that there's a lot of broken women out there.
[22:05]	DaemonFC	I've seen a lot that were like, you know, college educated, or at least they worked and could do better.
[22:05]	DaemonFC	But they're clinging to some total hick or a gangbanger or something.
[22:05]	schestowitz-TR	anyway, back on topic...
[22:06]	DaemonFC	I showed mom the opening to the movie Idiocracy.
[22:06]	DaemonFC	Said it's turned into a documentary.
[22:09]	schestowitz	Idiocracy?
[22:09]	schestowitz	a movie?
[22:09]	schestowitz	was it a book?
[22:12]	schestowitz	https://idroot.us/install-apache-openoffice-linux-mint-20/
[22:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-idroot.us | How To Install Apache OpenOffice on Linux Mint 20 - idroot
[22:12]	schestowitz	lol
[22:13]	schestowitz	in 2021, installing OOo instead of LO? O_o https://idroot.us/install-apache-openoffice-linux-mint-20/
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[22:26]	XRevan86	schestowitz: "what's this silly Libera Office thing? I know of OpenOffice, give me that"
[22:27]	schestowitz-TR	freenode :-)
[22:28]	XRevan86	freenode Office, a reliable solution.
[22:29]	schestowitz-TR	imagine
[22:29]	schestowitz-TR	this:
[22:29]	schestowitz-TR	person looks pu project dos file
[22:29]	schestowitz-TR	*looks up
[22:29]	schestowitz-TR	it says speak to support or community in freenode
[22:29]		*leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techrights
[22:29]	schestowitz-TR	you try to connect, it says log in, create account
[22:29]	schestowitz-TR	so you do... and you join... wtf is "joseon"?
[22:30]	schestowitz-TR	and then you join the channel... hello world... I'm all alone here :']
[22:30]	XRevan86	And then ye get a piece of the cryptocoin ICO! How amazing is that!?
[22:30]	schestowitz-TR	and you become part of an empire
[22:31]	DaemonFC	I'm scheduling boosters for both of us.
[22:32]	schestowitz	XRevan86: did you see http://techrights.org/2021/08/21/joseon-channels/ ?
[22:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Joseon/Chosn IRC: Almost 5,000 Registered Channels (From Interim Freenode), But Only a Few Dozen Channels Have a Dozen or More Users | Techrights
[22:32]	XRevan86	schestowitz: yea
[22:32]	schestowitz-TR	sad.
[22:32]	schestowitz-TR	"those fuckers who stole the thing.... shiiiiit"
[22:33]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Well, not really sad.
[22:35]	schestowitz-TR	I was using  a trump line
[22:35]	schestowitz-TR	"sad."
[22:35]	XRevan86	schestowitz: It's absolutely not surprising that by far the largest channel revolves around the network itself.
[22:36]	schestowitz-TR	yes, loyalty
[22:36]	XRevan86	or interest
[22:36]	schestowitz-TR	but... it's about the network that was crushed
[22:36]	schestowitz-TR	it's not a joseon channel
[22:36]	XRevan86	Right, that's a bit odd.
[22:37]	schestowitz-TR	but the thing it's piggybacking to devour, replace
[22:37]	schestowitz-TR	when it was not yet locked down I used webchat
[22:37]	schestowitz-TR	I entered it by mistake
[22:37]	schestowitz-TR	because they misused it
[22:37]	XRevan86	schestowitz: But they haven't even finished the rename, is this state that it is in now intentional?
[22:37]	schestowitz-TR	to funnel all traffic to their own channels
[22:37]	schestowitz-TR	instead of techrights like it used to
[22:38]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Nah, it was just the preset.
[22:38]	schestowitz-TR	and I saw really mad things popsted there by "root"
[22:38]	schestowitz-TR	really put me off
[22:38]	schestowitz-TR	I think I saw that when using tuxmachines webchat
[22:38]	schestowitz-TR	and it went into freenode channel instead
[22:38]	schestowitz-TR	and that was when I changed the page etc.
[22:38]	XRevan86	I've forgotten the details, but it was just a bug.
[22:39]	schestowitz-TR	this guy is no genius
[22:39]	schestowitz-TR	no, they changed something
[22:39]	schestowitz-TR	in the synntax
[22:39]	schestowitz-TR	maybe a new version
[22:39]	XRevan86	KiwiIRC did, yes.
[22:39]	schestowitz-TR	so freenode was likely a defrauly fallback
[22:39]	XRevan86	it's called "nextclient"
[22:40]	schestowitz-TR	either way, it definitely worked correctly before that
[22:40]	schestowitz-TR	I use nextclient now
[22:40]	XRevan86	It auto-redirects outside iframe.
[22:40]	schestowitz-TR	it's supporting some things better
[22:40]	schestowitz-TR	it also does not hand up on our network after 150 secs
[22:40]	schestowitz-TR	*hang
[22:40]	XRevan86	Inside iframe it's supposed to stay put for compatibility, but maybe something went wrong, I don't know.
[22:41]	schestowitz-TR	I wish I knew how to futher customise it without self-hosting
[22:41]	schestowitz-TR	(the webchat thing)
[22:41]	XRevan86	https://bnc.freenode.net/ I'm a wee confused about what I see here.
[22:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bnc.freenode.net | Kiwi IRC
[22:42]	schestowitz-TR	I actually did a video about kiwi-irc and next
[22:42]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2021/08/20/kiwi-irc-demo/
[22:42]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Using Web-based IRC for Your Communities, Projects and Professional/Personal Circles, Using Free/Libre Software at Every Level (From Server to Client) | Techrights
[22:42]	schestowitz	XRevan86: I pointed out last week that it is pointless
[22:42]	schestowitz	they still point to a web client
[22:43]	schestowitz	but it can never work
[22:43]	schestowitz	maybe with a password it can wor
[22:43]	schestowitz	*work
[22:43]	schestowitz	I did not try
[22:43]	XRevan86	https://web.archive.org/web/20210615022716/https://bnc.freenode.net/ it didn't use to
[22:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | NO TITLE
[22:43]	XRevan86	schestowitz: In theory, it should.
[22:44]	XRevan86	Kiwi IRC auths through SASL.
[22:44]	schestowitz	freenode become SOO good that it's exclusive and you must get permission to use it
[22:46]	XRevan86	schestowitz: And with only one nickname. Should make room for all the billions to come.
[22:47]	schestowitz-TR	he did not think this through
[22:47]	schestowitz-TR	access should be made super simple
[22:47]	schestowitz-TR	and also depends who the target audience is
[22:47]	schestowitz-TR	maybe stackechange users
[22:48]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Why would they go to Joseon?
[22:48]	schestowitz-TR	because of the name freenode
[22:48]	MinceR	Joseon Office
[22:48]	MinceR	only runs on Red Star OS.
[22:48]	schestowitz-TR	Orange Joseon
[22:48]	schestowitz-TR	The Orange one
[22:49]	schestowitz-TR	Orange Juice
[22:49]	XRevan86	https://superuser.com/questions/tagged/freenode?tab=Newest
[22:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-superuser.com | Newest 'freenode' Questions - Super User
[22:49]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: iirc, at one point s korea and kimland did collaborate on a distro
[22:49]	schestowitz-TR	not sure if it was red star
[22:49]	schestowitz-TR	around 2010
[22:50]	XRevan86	https://superuser.com/questions/1666709 there it is
[22:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-superuser.com | IRC cannot login server irc.freenode.net - Super User
[22:50]	schestowitz-TR	"It got bought, then it got destroyed, then it got restarted with completely different people running the show. All accounts and channels were wiped clean in June, so you actually cannot log in because your account no longer exists. Only the logo is still the same. "
[22:50]	schestowitz-TR	Logo
[22:50]	schestowitz-TR	Brand
[22:51]	schestowitz-TR	Name...
[22:51]	schestowitz-TR	That is it
[22:51]	XRevan86	schestowitz: So that's stackexchange.
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[22:52]	MinceR	wrong, some domain names are the same too
[22:53]	XRevan86	MinceR: That is implied.
[22:53]	MinceR	imps never tell the truth, eh? :>
[22:54]	XRevan86	But one could argue web-7-0 is still there %).
[22:55]	MinceR	is that like UAC 5-0?
[22:55]	XRevan86	MinceR: I will need more context for that other statement %).
[22:55]	MinceR	there's no more context for that
[22:55]	MinceR	it's a pun on "implied"
[22:56]	XRevan86	MinceR: The homepage is still there.
[22:56]	XRevan86	With some bold blogposts and dead links sprinkled on top.
[22:58]	schestowitz-TR	AUTONOMOUS ZONE
[22:58]	schestowitz-TR	zona autonoma
[22:59]	schestowitz-TR	now give that mfer an enema
[22:59]	schestowitz-TR	because he's full of bulishit
[22:59]	schestowitz-TR	and after the enema it'll be NaN
● Aug 22
[23:00]	XRevan86	schestowitz: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/#Russian
[23:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | - Wiktionary
[23:01]	schestowitz-TR	oh, I see
[23:01]	schestowitz-TR	well, I meant Italian
[23:01]	MinceR	"the zone where normal things don't happen very often"
[23:01]	schestowitz-TR	"zona"
[23:01]	schestowitz-TR	lots of words in italian end with a
[23:01]	XRevan86	schestowitz: I know, I just thought that'd be good to know ;)
[23:01]	schestowitz-TR	zona in hebrew is prostitute 
[23:01]	schestowitz-TR	like lumia in spanish
[23:02]	MinceR	:)
[23:02]	schestowitz-TR	microsoft called its phones prostitute
[23:02]	MinceR	at least they didn't name it after diseases
[23:02]	schestowitz-TR	and I supposed sales in spain and latin am. were not good
[23:02]	MinceR	like mono and bng
[23:02]	schestowitz-TR	nobody wants" a lumia i the pocket
[23:02]	MinceR	were they good anywhere?
[23:02]	schestowitz-TR	"PU-TA!!"
[23:03]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: good in destroying nokia
[23:03]	XRevan86	The use of "zone" in slang is such that in English it would have a definite article.
[23:03]	schestowitz-TR	helpoed shed off several tens of thousands of finns
[23:03]	MinceR	i mean the sales of lumia-branded alleged phones
[23:03]	schestowitz-TR	i wonder if they ever managed to find a job in tech after that
[23:03]	XRevan86	"at the zone"
[23:03]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: i never saw one
[23:04]	schestowitz-TR	they allegedly had some in stores
[23:04]	schestowitz-TR	Microsoft 'Andrew lee' Nokia
[23:04]	schestowitz-TR	hiding crap behind someone else's powerful brand
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[23:05]	schestowitz-TR	Microsoft does this to "LINUX" right now BTW
[23:05]	schestowitz	MICOROSFT: WE ARE GREEN..., COZ LINUX!!http://techrights.org/2020/09/02/linux-foundation-greenwashing-and-openwashing-for-microsoft/
[23:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Works for Microsoft | Techrights
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[23:14]	psydruid	lumia existe solamente en la zona autnoma de Fahisha
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[23:16]	schestowitz-TR	hat she sais...
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[23:17]	AdmFubar	https://hackaday.com/2021/08/22/3d-printing-liquid-crystal/
[23:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-3D Printing Liquid Crystal | Hackaday
[23:17]	schestowitz-TR	:-0
[23:17]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz> Idiocracy?
[23:18]	DaemonFC	A movie about how bad things would get in "500 years" with the stupid people having more kids.
[23:18]	DaemonFC	Which seems to have mostly happened in the last 15 years.
[23:19]	AdmFubar	https://www.notebookcheck.net/Ryzen-5-5600X-takes-over-from-Ryzen-5-3600-as-fan-favorite-while-AMD-vanquishes-Intel-in-units-sold-and-revenue-in-recent-Mindfactory-CPU-sales-data.556395.0.html
[23:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ryzen 5 5600X takes over from Ryzen 5 3600 as fan favorite while AMD vanquishes Intel in units sold and revenue in recent Mindfactory CPU sales data - NotebookCheck.net News
[23:25]	AdmFubar	https://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-takes-intels-throne-as-top-semiconductor-manufacturer
[23:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomshardware.com | Samsung Takes Intel's Throne as Top Semiconductor Manufacturer | Tom's Hardware
[23:28]	AdmFubar	https://www.pcmag.com/opinions/how-i-got-suckered-by-an-alleged-10m-phone-scam
[23:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How I Got Suckered by an (Alleged) $10M Phone Scam | PCMag
[23:38]	schestowitz-TR	wow, 17k page requests over gemini:// today
[23:38]	schestowitz-TR	maybe highest ever
[23:38]	schestowitz-TR	22 more mins to go
[23:39]	schestowitz-TR	AdmFubar: many intel staff defected to amd
[23:39]	schestowitz-TR	according to someone I know from intel
[23:39]	schestowitz-TR	meltdown
[23:45]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, I'd rather that our third doses go to another country.
[23:45]	DaemonFC	But they won't. They'll expire after my government already bought them.
[23:45]	DaemonFC	THey'll just waste it and then it won't help anybody.
[23:46]	DaemonFC	The pricing structure where Pfizer gives three prices based on how rich a country is prioritizes them selling more doses than will realistically be used to rich countries to maximize profit, and then those doses stay there even if they expire.
[23:47]	DaemonFC	The Lambda variant is one realistic reason why people might need booster shots, but they don't know this for sure, and it's not a major problem in the United States yet.
[23:48]	DaemonFC	https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/immune-response-astrazeneca-shot-boosted-by-mixing-dose-schedule-with-pfizer-2021-06-28/
[23:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mix-and-match approach boosts immune response of AstraZeneca shot, study finds | Reuters
[23:49]	DaemonFC	A study conducted by "Professor Snape".
[23:53]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burusho_people
[23:53]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Burusho people - Wikipedia
[23:53]	schestowitz	"A widely repeated claim of remarkable longevity of the Hunza people[14] has been refuted as a longevity myth, citing a life expectancy of 53 years for men and 52 for women, although with a high standard deviation.[15] There is no evidence that Hunza life expectancy is significantly above the average of poor, isolated regions of Pakistan"