●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Sunday, November 22, 2020 ●● ● Nov 22 [00:03] *vallor (~Ponzo@pdpc/supporter/monthlygold/vallor) has joined #techrights [00:03] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [00:04] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [00:05] *rianne_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [00:05] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [00:06] *swaggboi has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [00:07] *rianne__ has quit (Client Quit) [00:07] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [00:09] DaemonFC[m] https://www.wcpo.com/money/consumer/dont-waste-your-money/walmartcom-online-prices-may-be-higher-than-in-store [00:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wcpo.com | Walmart.com online prices may be higher than in-store [00:09] DaemonFC[m] Walmart has been doing this more lately. [00:09] DaemonFC[m] Taking advantage of the Coronavirus disaster. [00:10] DaemonFC[m] They up your grocery bill by 5% or so online and then say you can have 5x points if you sign up for a Walmart credit card. [00:10] DaemonFC[m] Which gets 2x points in the store. [00:10] schestowitz "disaster capitalism" [00:10] DaemonFC[m] So I just completely gave up on Grocery Pickup. It seems to be popular. Maybe people don't realize it or don't care. [00:10] schestowitz "we charge you more... to PROTECT YUOU" [00:10] schestowitz and then hire fewer people, too [00:11] schestowitz eventually just a warehouse [00:11] schestowitz liks amazon [00:11] schestowitz money-making machine [00:11] schestowitz no service [00:11] schestowitz no staff [00:11] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: That's what the inside of the store has become. [00:11] DaemonFC[m] They say open your Walmart app if you want to find something. [00:12] DaemonFC[m] Some people don't have a phone. Not every phone gets reception in the store. [00:12] schestowitz lol [00:12] schestowitz 'the future' [00:12] schestowitz they follow you around [00:12] schestowitz on "apps" [00:12] schestowitz sell data [00:12] DaemonFC[m] It seems like they're responding to inflation by some combination of raising prices and having a lower head count. [00:13] DaemonFC[m] Joe Biden really has his work cut out for him after this clown gets done. [00:13] schestowitz next thing you know they'll charge you extra for taking items from the shelft [00:13] schestowitz to avoid hiring people who stock shelves [00:13] DaemonFC[m] One of the first things that we need are an end to these ridiculous tariffs. [00:13] *obarun (~obarun@115.126.165.174) has joined #techrights [00:13] schestowitz go to the warehouse, find large cartons [00:13] schestowitz pick up items from there [00:13] schestowitz for "discount" [00:13] schestowitz in effect become their staff [00:13] schestowitz and you also do the checkout yourself [00:13] DaemonFC[m] They have massive self checkouts now. [00:13] schestowitz so wamark becomes just a f-ing warehouse [00:14] schestowitz with trucks bringing in good [00:14] schestowitz *goods [00:14] DaemonFC[m] And they haven't done anything to reduce the number of things you have to touch. [00:14] DaemonFC[m] And I've never seen anyone cleaning them. [00:14] schestowitz they don't [00:14] DaemonFC[m] So I grab a plastic bag so I can use the hand scanner. [00:14] schestowitz not their risk [00:14] schestowitz not their problem [00:14] schestowitz they blame "filthy" customers [00:15] schestowitz awful [00:15] schestowitz and they say technology will make life easier [00:15] *rianne__ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [00:15] schestowitz I think it was a lot easier before [00:15] DaemonFC[m] They stick some drums of cart wipes and hand sanitizer at the front door. [00:15] schestowitz pick cart, toss in stuff [00:15] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [00:15] schestowitz handover to cashier, pay cash, take change [00:15] DaemonFC[m] At the beginning of this they had people working there wiping down the carts, but that's been gone for months. [00:15] schestowitz very simple, even old people needed no training... just pick what you want from the shelves.... no "apps" and stuff [00:16] schestowitz they never clean anything [00:16] schestowitz except when clients watch [00:16] DaemonFC[m] So some people just grab a cart that's been touched by who knows how many sick people, and run off with it and ignore the self-serve cleaning station. [00:16] schestowitz they're deliberately understaffed [00:16] schestowitz the staff is trying to keep above water level [00:16] schestowitz cleaning things would not be a priority [00:17] schestowitz the cleaning stations don't help [00:17] schestowitz people sneeze and cough [00:17] schestowitz those are symbolic [00:17] schestowitz I use them before and after buying [00:17] schestowitz but I still assume my hands aren't clean, always remember to take a shower when you get home and don't touch anywhere near the face [00:18] schestowitz 1.5k deaths in US today https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ [00:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldometers.info | United States Coronavirus: 12,437,760 Cases and 261,751 Deaths - Worldometer [00:18] schestowitz a Saturday [00:19] schestowitz 204k new cases yesterday [00:20] schestowitz we're not doing well, either https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ [00:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldometers.info | United Kingdom Coronavirus: 1,493,383 Cases and 54,626 Deaths - Worldometer [00:20] schestowitz I stopped keeping track of these things, tbh... 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I guess that's possible [00:51] *rianne__ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [00:51] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [00:51] *rianne__ has quit (Client Quit) [00:52] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● Nov 22 [01:01] *xvx has quit (Quit: xvx) [01:04] *swaggboi (~swaggboi@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi) has joined #techrights [01:10] *kupi has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [01:42] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [01:42] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) ● Nov 22 [02:26] *aindilis has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [02:30] DaemonFC[m] https://www.tomsguide.com/amp/news/amazon-uk-ps5-theft [02:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomsguide.com | PS5 fail: Amazon customers getting appliances and cat food instead | Tom's Guide [02:30] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz ^ [02:51] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) ● Nov 22 [04:31] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/21/politics/federal-judge-dismisses-trump-pennsylvania-lawsuit/index.html [04:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Federal judge dismisses Trump campaign Pennsylvania lawsuit - CNNPolitics [04:32] *viera (~viera@2602:fd37:1::84) has joined #techrights [04:32] *Ariadne (~ariadne@2602:fd37:1::86) has joined #techrights [04:35] Ariadne some life advice: never ever buy an ATS for a PDU off of amazon.com [04:35] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/21/politics/kelly-loeffler-tests-positive-covid-georgia/index.html [04:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Kelly Loeffler tests positive for Covid but undergoing further testing - CNNPolitics [04:35] Ariadne my "APC" ATS switch failed over alright [04:36] Ariadne it failed over in the form of catching fire [04:36] Ariadne thankfully my routers that i just bought did not catch fire as a result ● Nov 22 [05:29] schestowitz Ariadne: I was gonna say... [05:30] schestowitz sounded like something serious had happened [05:30] Ariadne yeah, amazon said they could provide a power transfer switch same day [05:30] Ariadne they did [05:30] Ariadne but it appears that switch may not have been genuine [05:31] Ariadne at least, i would not expect APC electrical gear to randomly catch fire [05:31] schestowitz amazon is not genuine\ [05:31] Ariadne but that is precisely what happened [05:31] schestowitz and they take no responsibility [05:31] Ariadne amazon in my experience is a mix of genuine and fake [05:32] Ariadne which, fine [05:32] Ariadne but fake is not good if its electrical component taking 240v mains [05:32] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: AMDGPU Linux Driver Seeing A Lot Of Power Saving Optimization Work http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144625 [https://pleroma.site/objects/40eed3ff-7e96-456e-b0e6-c940cc49845c] [05:34] *cubexyz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [05:35] *cubexyz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights [05:36] Ariadne and to be clear, i wouldn't care if it was fake if it was built to the same (or better) standard [05:36] Ariadne however, i am pretty sure this power transfer switch was probably not ever functional [05:37] schestowitz I like cheap [05:37] schestowitz everyone likes cheap [05:37] schestowitz with some items, cheap is risky [05:37] Ariadne i've had counterfeit products that were better than original [05:37] Ariadne in my case, it wasn't cheap i was going for [05:37] schestowitz and the risk manifests in different forms [05:37] Ariadne more "i need this right now" [05:37] schestowitz good might give you diarrhoea [05:37] schestowitz some things can burn down the house [05:37] Ariadne amazon had the ATS available same day delivery [05:38] schestowitz I bought electrical stuff a week ago [05:38] schestowitz paid like 5 times what I was planning [05:38] Ariadne but yes, running 240v through something bought off amazon, probably not my smartest idea [05:38] schestowitz but no major regret, at least I know it's safe [05:38] schestowitz it's in a carpeted space [05:39] Ariadne this is in a warehouse [05:39] schestowitz this is a room with 6 computers in it [05:39] schestowitz and carpets [05:39] schestowitz and batteries that are chemical [05:40] Ariadne and right now everything is now just jacked into the 'A' side of the circuit instead of both sides [05:40] Ariadne we will get second PDU and balance between A and B, which is what i should have done to begin with :P [05:40] schestowitz the server must be expensive [05:40] schestowitz a blade [05:40] schestowitz a lot more expensive than what powers it [05:40] Ariadne the blade system itself didn't go down [05:40] Ariadne it was the routers that went down [05:40] schestowitz so it can be called a car in top of a skateboard [05:41] Ariadne pair of cisco ASR9006s [05:41] Ariadne i did have to restart the techrights VM though [05:42] schestowitz I knew something had gone bad when the VM was not accessible with no prior suggestion of maintenance [05:42] schestowitz just many pleroma posts from you [05:43] schestowitz [22:14] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- perfect forever: based on the way things are evolving, i'm looking forward to "Pleroma 3.0: Fuck Your Feelings" [https://pleroma.site/objects/29e93b61-99fd-4181-a92f-7460947bd272] [05:43] schestowitz BTW [05:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site [05:43] schestowitz Nazis complicate everything [05:43] schestowitz it's where speech becomes prelude to mass violence [05:43] schestowitz GAB is full of it [05:43] schestowitz MINDS getting there [05:44] Ariadne i was surprised that pleroma's project manager would defend somebody crapflooding the mastodon developer with hitler memes as "it's just shitposting, bro" [05:44] Ariadne like come the fuck on dude [05:45] schestowitz "Free speech" can be a cover for sabotage [05:45] schestowitz sometimes [05:45] schestowitz to discourage and dissuade key members [05:45] schestowitz to create a conflict [05:45] schestowitz I saw some projects deliberately undermined that way [05:45] Ariadne that's not funny inthe first place, and its certainly not something a project manager should defend when some user does it [05:46] schestowitz They start talking about/like "I'M OPPRESSED!" [05:46] schestowitz and then they split people who cooperated [05:47] schestowitz entry barriers can help [05:47] schestowitz to weed out this nonsense [05:47] Ariadne i'm just saying, he could have left that alone [05:47] schestowitz some people you don't want to 'contribute' too easily [05:47] schestowitz they will bother with what's easiest to sabotage [05:47] Ariadne the user crapflooding Gargron was not a pleroma dev [05:48] schestowitz which is incidentally why Linus says he hates shithub [05:48] schestowitz and ignores all PRs from there [05:48] schestowitz closed them [05:48] schestowitz [05:47] the user crapflooding Gargron was not a pleroma dev [05:48] schestowitz doesn't matter [05:48] schestowitz that's the point [05:48] schestowitz but then the devs need to make a decision [05:49] Ariadne yes, the devs should fire their manager (: [05:49] schestowitz turning geeks into babysitters against their will [05:49] schestowitz and then they stop focusing on the tech [05:49] Ariadne https://freespeechextremist.com/notice/A0Z28LkaCAoMMAUwm8 [05:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freespeechextremist.com | Pleroma [05:49] schestowitz instead, shite like, "what to do with nazis..." [05:49] Ariadne yes, i wasn't aware "what to do with nazis" was even a valid question [05:50] Ariadne the answer there is simple: ban them and move on [05:50] schestowitz same with the "ethical licence" types [05:50] schestowitz they bring "ethics" where it hardly belongs [05:50] schestowitz and is not enforceable anyway [05:50] schestowitz Ariadne: but then you have "lesser nazis" to decide on [05:51] schestowitz social control media doesn't work [05:51] schestowitz twitter has an issue with nazis also [05:51] schestowitz I'll spare you many links about it [05:51] Ariadne thats my conclusion, yes [05:51] schestowitz they never solved the problem either way [05:51] schestowitz social control media is a wrong concept [05:51] Ariadne yeah @realDonaldTrump still live [05:51] Ariadne :) [05:52] schestowitz @scotus will go to biden [05:52] Ariadne gotta take out nazi #1 [05:52] schestowitz Twitter now decided who the pres. is [05:52] schestowitz Ariadne: being nazis without formally being that [05:52] schestowitz and while claiming to be "zionist" [05:53] schestowitz GOP >as a whole<, not just orange nazi, uses zionist as a fig leaf [05:53] schestowitz to justify hating on latinos, arabs etc. [05:54] schestowitz while evangelists 'support' israel in the sense that want an apocalypse there... so that jesus comes down in a ladder faster [05:54] schestowitz the trump cult is still out there [05:55] schestowitz and apparently growing [05:55] schestowitz recruiting online [05:56] schestowitz social control media is a boon for recruiting for subculture [05:56] schestowitz all sorts of cults, some thinly disguised as "Ethical" [05:59] schestowitz social control media assumes people are rational [05:59] schestowitz not gonna mock mask-wearing etc. ● Nov 22 [06:00] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144626 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2e1d637a-f487-411e-80cb-30030aba27b6] [06:02] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [06:04] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows: GNU/Linux Software, Pitivi and Going Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144627 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ae1e461e-2b75-481b-9ad9-6446a9d0a891] [06:08] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: Rust, C++ and Compilers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144628 [https://pleroma.site/objects/31973820-6329-4cbc-b445-8e0430645e3b] [06:08] schestowitz social control media will be extinct one day [06:08] schestowitz people realise what it is [06:08] schestowitz toxic, waste of time [06:08] schestowitz and they look for alternatives [06:09] schestowitz the 'boiling point' varies from person to person [06:09] schestowitz and the reason that's the last straw [06:09] schestowitz Facebook keeps buying its competition to keep afloat [06:10] schestowitz many people who think they don't use FB actually do [06:10] schestowitz (my dad thought Twitter was part of Facebook or something... last week) [06:12] Ariadne social control media is just forums with psychological manipulation [06:17] schestowitz and burnout [06:17] schestowitz I limit the time I "invest" there [06:17] schestowitz I post to it [06:17] schestowitz but would not stay around much to 'chat' [06:17] schestowitz because it's toxic and intoxicating/addictive [06:17] Ariadne speaking of burnout, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnaCwzZXUAEP6_T?format=jpg&name=large [06:18] schestowitz and no real discovery of facts happens there [06:18] schestowitz many people shouting at one another [06:18] schestowitz on topics that have nothing to do with them [06:18] schestowitz like Trump scoffing at medical professionals [06:18] schestowitz and he has more "followers" and "likes", so he is totally "legit" [06:19] CrystalMath excuse me but people who support Trump / the GOP are NOT all latino-hating racists [06:19] CrystalMath in fact, most of the most vehement Trump supporters i know *are* latino [06:19] CrystalMath they don't hate their own race [06:21] CrystalMath i really hate that people are saying that those who didn't support demented biden are necessarily racist [06:21] CrystalMath Biden himself hates certain nations [06:21] CrystalMath that's why i hate him, because i'm precisely of that nationality he hates [06:22] CrystalMath https://www.anti-empire.com/joe-biden-1993-serbs-are-illiterate-degenerates/ [06:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Joe Biden, 1993: Serbs Are Illiterate Degenerates Anti-Empire [06:22] CrystalMath i've never heard Trump do anything like that [06:23] CrystalMath Trump did say that there's "a lot of bad hombres" but that isn't a sweeping statement on all latinos [06:23] CrystalMath it's just something that is true for literally every group of people - some will always be bad [06:23] CrystalMath within that group [06:23] CrystalMath it would have made sense for Biden to similarly leave some room in his disgusting tirade, but no [06:27] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [06:43] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [06:56] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: https://jacobinmag.com/2020/11/mcdonalds-walmarts-low-wage-public-subsidies/ [06:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jacobinmag.com | The Class War at Walmart ● Nov 22 [07:09] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [07:58] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: May we live long and die out | http://vhemt.org/) ● Nov 22 [08:29] zoobab UPC vote in the main committee this wednesday [08:30] schestowitz they say [08:30] schestowitz see what I wrote above [08:30] schestowitz also http://techrights.org/2020/11/21/upc-epo-and-kluwer-again/ [08:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Been There, Done That: Team UPCs October Becomes Early November and Now Late November | Techrights ● Nov 22 [09:00] *chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc01:200:655e:ef87:f909:8731) has joined #techrights [09:04] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [09:05] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [09:09] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [09:10] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [09:12] *rianne_ has quit (Client Quit) [09:12] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [09:43] zoobab it seems the plenary is the same day [09:48] schestowitz https://uclouvain.be/fr/instituts-recherche/juri/crides/actualites/upc-alternatives.html [09:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-uclouvain.be | Position paper on the Unified Patent Court (15/10/20) | UCLouvain [09:58] vZS1 So the mobile version of Firefox (and by extension, Tor Browser) has a "Accept risk and continue" button that doesn't work. [09:59] vZS1 But the "Go Back (Recommended)" button works just fine ● Nov 22 [10:00] vZS1 For "because its certificate issuer is unknown, the certificate is self-signed, or the server is not sending the correct intermediate certificates." [10:01] vZS1 Firefox: 83.1.0 (Build #2015776401) [10:02] vZS1 Tor Browser: 10.0.4 (82.1.1-Release) (Build #2015737897) [10:05] vZS1 I saw this coming but didn't expect it so soon. [10:05] vZS1 Time to look for a new browser. [10:05] vZS1 And boycott everything Mozilla [10:34] *timur_demin has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [10:59] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights ● Nov 22 [11:00] Blue_flame Which website? I could browse a cert error website fine on fennec by fdroid (Firefox 82) [11:02] *rianne_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [11:02] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [11:15] *rianne__ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [11:15] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [11:19] *rianne__ has quit (Client Quit) [11:19] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [11:19] vZS1 Blue_flame: https://intern.fh-wedel.de/~si/HXmlToolbox/ [11:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-intern.fh-wedel.de | Haskell XML Toolbox 9.2.0 [11:20] vZS1 I'm using Privacy Browser F-droid now [11:20] *rianne__ has quit (Client Quit) [11:21] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [11:24] vZS1 My builds just straight up have that button just for show. Using it does nothing [11:25] vZS1 But the reject button works just fine [11:26] *rianne__ has quit (Client Quit) [11:26] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [11:30] *rianne__ has quit (Client Quit) [11:30] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [11:31] *rianne__ has quit (Client Quit) [11:31] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [11:32] *rianne_ has quit (Client Quit) [11:32] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [11:32] oiaohm schestowitz: in 2 months Trumps president protection from prosecution goes by by as well. [11:49] Blue_flame Ah, yes. The button is broke. But, It can be viewed in bromite. vZS1 [11:51] vZS1 I'm not putting up with this pile of junk that Mozilla ships any more. Someone sent me an email with Thunderbird not long ago and it sent the email unencrypted even though that was a setting they had before an update. [11:51] schestowitz yeah [11:51] schestowitz they changed default settings [11:51] vZS1 This is no longer just a stream of coincidences [11:51] schestowitz Firefox will now, for 'security', also rewrite requests [11:51] schestowitz you ask for http [11:51] Blue_flame The bug was reported back in September from v80 before. Use bromite. It's fast smooth and stable compared to ff [11:52] schestowitz and for sites that don't do https it'll access https anyway [11:52] schestowitz yielding error messages [11:52] vZS1 This stretches beyond just FF [11:52] vZS1 Mozilla is actively undermining privacy. Today was the last straw of these "bugs". [11:52] schestowitz Firefox is copying the thing it was supposed to replace, to be an alternative to [11:52] Blue_flame I know. Palemoon on desktop bromite on mobile [11:53] Blue_flame Not many options otherwise [11:53] schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19501673 [11:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #mozilla became just #privacy and #security theatre rather than real privacy and security. #firefox likewise. [11:53] schestowitz also new: https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2020/11/20/here-are-four-key-takeaways-to-cpra-californias-latest-privacy-law/ [11:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Four key takeaways to CPRA, California's latest privacy law - Open Policy & Advocacy [11:53] schestowitz mozilla 'prick-waving' [11:53] schestowitz to sell the mere impression [11:53] schestowitz like Microsoft claiming to be "green" [11:53] schestowitz and IBM "tolerant' and "antiracist" [11:54] schestowitz impressions are cheaper than reality [11:55] vZS1 They happen to be so conveniently placed in the pipeline junctions that are critical. [11:55] vZS1 These "bugs" [11:55] schestowitz now thunderbird is still a pain [11:55] schestowitz it try to encrypt everything [11:55] schestowitz all the time [11:55] schestowitz even when no keys are available [11:55] schestowitz but that's the only way I can overcome this issue [11:56] schestowitz short of letting the accidents happen [11:56] schestowitz so it's a pain now [11:56] schestowitz enigmail was smart enough to know who to encrypt with and who not to bother with [11:59] vZS1 Don't be surprised if Tor is already compromised [11:59] vZS1 Bunch of cretins [11:59] schestowitz na.. I am surprised in case it is NOT ● Nov 22 [12:00] schestowitz they should call it "pretty good anonymity" [12:00] schestowitz it might make you anonymous to china and russia [12:00] schestowitz maybe [12:00] schestowitz but not to everyone, everywhere [12:00] schestowitz we already have many news stories about 'anonymous' people getting snuffed out [12:01] schestowitz and prosecuted [12:01] schestowitz but those people will believe what mainstream press tells them about "anonymity" tools [12:01] schestowitz like signal on a phone [12:01] schestowitz with a phone number supplied [12:01] schestowitz EFF recommends that also [12:02] schestowitz so they end up using weak tools [12:02] vZS1 Protonmail as well [12:02] schestowitz as long as they're told by "trusted" parties it's good [12:02] vZS1 They have your keys [12:02] schestowitz Protonmail is snakeoil [12:02] vZS1 I know [12:02] schestowitz might as well use whatsapp [12:02] schestowitz different is [12:02] schestowitz facebook sellls your data [12:03] schestowitz whatsapp has e2e encryption... between you and facebook [12:03] schestowitz or it manages privacy key exchange between you and another party [12:03] schestowitz while working with FBI [12:03] schestowitz it's similar to how Microsoft does disk encryption [12:04] schestowitz it uploads to the clown your hashes/keys [12:04] schestowitz so the "trusted" Microsoft can decrypt your drive [12:04] vZS1 Microsoft and encryption are oxymoronic [12:04] schestowitz defeats the whole purpose of it [12:04] schestowitz I'm told some 'premium' version of it might not upload those to the Clown [12:04] schestowitz but who knows... [12:04] schestowitz it's proprietary, they can promise anything [12:05] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA [12:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights [12:05] schestowitz when Microsoft says "security" it means "national security" [12:05] schestowitz "national security" is code for imperialism [12:05] schestowitz like hegemony [12:05] schestowitz you're safe as long as you take instructions from US-led (mostly) NATO [12:05] schestowitz otherwise they put you on "lists" [12:05] schestowitz to blackmail you [12:06] schestowitz Many documents about that in techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Cablegate [12:06] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Cablegate [12:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Cablegate - Techrights [12:06] vZS1 Anyway. Need to look for a desktop browser replacement [12:06] schestowitz e.g. http://techrights.org/2011/12/30/shame-list-for-venezuela/ [12:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Cablegate: President Chavez Smeared for Favouring Free/Open Source Software, Venezuela Added to Shame List | Techrights [12:07] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2011/09/15/planting-new-laws/ [12:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Cablegate: Microsofts Relationship With the Government and Pressure for Countries to Adopt Intellectual Monopolies Using Shame Lists | Techrights [12:07] schestowitz vZS1: I use falkon [12:07] schestowitz or qupzilla on older distros [12:07] schestowitz seems to work ok [12:07] schestowitz never phoning home [12:07] schestowitz it hardly even has a home [12:07] schestowitz not even kde [12:08] schestowitz it's not shaming sites for not getting cert from Let'sConscript [12:08] schestowitz (which is quite pointless imho, does nothing to secure you from sites that sell data) [12:09] schestowitz (or from US gov. asking for your stuff with secret NSL) [12:13] *obarun has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [12:14] vZS1 Let's Encrypt doesn't have your private key. But it does harm in other ways [12:14] vZS1 Protonmail is a lot worse for that exact issue [12:15] vZS1 Because they actually have your private key [12:15] schestowitz it generates your stuff [12:15] schestowitz and we don't know if the process itself has integrity [12:15] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/03/04/lets-ask-lets-encrypt/ [12:15] vZS1 It does. Because you perform an authentication challenge [12:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Urges Readers to Ask the Linux Foundations Lets Encrypt (Backed by Companies That Give the NSA Back Doors) Some Hard But Legitimate Questions | Techrights [12:15] schestowitz we have to make assumptions [12:15] vZS1 Hold on [12:15] schestowitz and at this level and scale it would be wrong to make positive assumption [12:15] vZS1 This is important [12:16] schestowitz look who's backing LE financially [12:16] schestowitz I looked at their IRS filings [12:16] schestowitz it's 100% LF and the same sponsors [12:16] vZS1 Let's Encrypt doesn't touch your private certs. You do a challenge that's either DNS or HTTP so it can verify you have control over the IP address or DNS records. [12:17] vZS1 But it's bad because it reinforces the trust monopoly [12:17] vZS1 That's a subtle detail [12:17] vZS1 Which is important to get right or they'll accuse you of being a hack [12:18] schestowitz it's also not so useful for actual security [12:18] schestowitz the authentication it does is superficial [12:18] vZS1 That is true, for other reasons. [12:18] vZS1 But anyway. It's important to get the security details right [12:19] schestowitz LE is like a "phoneball" [12:19] vZS1 It is a bunch of crap, don't get me wrong. TLS trust infrastructure is snakeoil [12:19] schestowitz a very big one [12:19] schestowitz phonebook [12:19] schestowitz we don't trust DNS blindly [12:19] schestowitz why should I trust Zemin et al? [12:20] vZS1 Yep. DNS security is a whole other can of worms. [12:20] schestowitz because they do a process of verifying with sites that they are in control of their domains [12:20] schestowitz but nothing beyond that [12:21] oiaohm schestowitz: Internet it self is a huge can of worms with protocols designed that security was after idea. [12:21] schestowitz sometimes it's safe for a site NOT to be registered in the 'phonebook' [12:21] schestowitz esp. if the latter is maintained by the likes of ZemlinPAC [12:22] schestowitz oiaohm: right, so can the www [12:22] schestowitz not an internet thing [12:22] schestowitz www thing [12:22] schestowitz domain system also [12:22] vZS1 That's why I'm such a proponent of content-based addressing. You can easily secure information when you work with strong cryptographic hash functions. [12:22] schestowitz ICANN is a CANN of works [12:22] schestowitz without a lack of scandals [12:22] oiaohm its starts at basic packet routering and comes up. [12:22] schestowitz IANA isn't perfect either [12:23] oiaohm Like how do you say I don't want my packets routed though china at any point or anything like that. [12:23] schestowitz oiaohm: that's inevitable [12:23] vZS1 They have all sold out any moral ground they have [12:23] schestowitz you can't even trust the routing [12:23] schestowitz no more than you can trust companies like Cisco [12:23] schestowitz people who work with/for FBI [12:24] oiaohm Really attempting to replace the internet with something nicely secure would also risk giving your own government more control as well. [12:25] schestowitz not if it's not centralised [12:26] schestowitz people learn to distrust authority because power corrupts, absolute power yada tada [12:26] vZS1 If I tell you a hash on IRC you can just check for yourself [12:26] vZS1 You don't need to trust me [12:26] schestowitz and we've repeatedly seen misuse of power [12:26] schestowitz how do you know I'm Roy? [12:27] schestowitz freenode tells you I am [12:27] schestowitz because I logged in [12:27] schestowitz but how does Freenode know I'm me? [12:27] schestowitz maybe my IP [12:27] schestowitz but how do they know BT isn't lying to them? [12:27] schestowitz and on it goes [12:27] schestowitz the trust chain [12:27] oiaohm And that is exactly how it could backfire. A perfectly trustable system could result in everyone identifiable. [12:27] schestowitz so even with what we have now it's no infallible [12:28] schestowitz and two-factor author is the BIGGEST snakeoil scam there is [12:28] schestowitz where they get people to send stuff over backdoored devices [12:28] schestowitz that several entities can access remotely [12:28] oiaohm Or if the two factor is that weak that it can be brute forced. [12:29] oiaohm there have been a few cases like that with different banks. [12:29] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [12:29] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [12:30] oiaohm Good fun having you bank account drained of money because you bank implements 2 factor with on fact as 0 to 1000 with no brute forcing prevention. [12:30] schestowitz banks are not trustworthy anymore [12:30] schestowitz they have insurance policies because they know it [12:30] schestowitz that their system is joke security [12:30] schestowitz hoax safety [12:30] schestowitz like 'smart' cards and stuff [12:30] schestowitz they get you to do transactions on "apps" [12:30] schestowitz because it's cheaper for them [12:30] schestowitz they fire their staff [12:30] oiaohm Few countries have solid banking security but they are rare. [12:31] schestowitz and when people get phished and scams they cover the losses, sometimes, unless they know how to blame the client [12:31] oiaohm You know when you are in one and you go and use your credit/debt card and the person behind counter gets showing photo of who should have card from server. [12:31] oiaohm No photo no card usage. [12:31] vZS1 Yep. Every bank has a clause somewhere that deflects breaches of device security onto the customer [12:32] vZS1 "You are responsible for security updates ...." [12:32] oiaohm Those are countries you don't want to enter without at least some cash. Ie at least enough to get yourself to a bank a registered. [12:32] schestowitz I'd rather do things over the counter [12:33] schestowitz I know who's responsible for errors [12:33] vZS1 Same [12:33] schestowitz which happen [12:33] schestowitz and then they must correct them [12:33] schestowitz or else [12:33] schestowitz the banks don't like that [12:33] schestowitz they turn you into their zero-cost labour [12:33] schestowitz and say "smart" while waving their hands [12:34] oiaohm Fair trading ruling in Australia was good. The you are responsible for security updates is not a legally valid clause for banks here to use. [12:34] schestowitz Now you can go into a so-called 'taxi'' [12:34] schestowitz with an 'app' [12:34] schestowitz like uber [12:34] schestowitz and get raped [12:34] schestowitz and then they blame "that person who isn't our staff" [12:34] oiaohm Or dropped at completely the wrong address because the GPS screwed up as well. [12:35] oiaohm So maybe not the driver. [12:36] oiaohm schestowitz: https://www.vice.com/en/article/panan7/truck-falls-into-river-accident-google-maps-directions I am supprised I have not heard of a UBER or UBER like driver doing this yet. [12:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vice.com | A Man Drives His Truck Into a River After Following Google Maps Directions [12:37] schestowitz that's a different issue [12:37] schestowitz can happen to proper taxis also [12:37] schestowitz they mostly use their spying things, too [12:37] schestowitz and sometimes their employer needs these to know which taxi is closest to a caller [12:37] schestowitz dispatching closest available car [12:37] oiaohm Proper taxis normally have a lot of in car security due to how many times they have been robbed by some party for the small amount of cash they normally have. [12:38] schestowitz they are structured a certain way [12:39] schestowitz and you don't get to seat next to the driver [12:39] schestowitz the microphone doesn't go to "the clown" [12:39] oiaohm Depends on the country. [12:39] oiaohm Australia you can still sit next to the driver but you are 100 percent sure on security camera. [12:41] oiaohm One of the risk reductions for UBER drivers is zero cash. Same with booking most limos instead of taxis. stupid as it sounds here in Australia it can be cheaper to book a limo and pay by credit card than using a taxi for the same trip. [12:42] oiaohm that even includes stretched limo. [12:42] schestowitz it doesn't matter [12:43] schestowitz they can mug people in the street [12:43] schestowitz for even more [12:43] schestowitz who even take a limo now? [12:43] schestowitz with covid and all.. [12:44] oiaohm That been interesting the streached limos here have been able to stay operating as the driver and passage part being on independent air-conditioning and air systems. Cleaning between rides is kind chemically fun mess. [12:46] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [12:46] oiaohm Really stupid having the issue of not being able to get a taxi but able to order a stretched lemo. [12:46] oiaohm Lemo/limo [12:46] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [12:47] oiaohm Lot of your non stretched limo had to shutdown at the same time as most of the taxis and uber until restrictions dropped here. [12:47] schestowitz there's no way to properly clean [12:48] schestowitz except to let them be unused for a week [12:48] schestowitz vapour and chemicals will never remove all traces of infected passengers [12:48] schestowitz masks and not touching face can mitigate it somewhat [12:48] schestowitz but when what kind of limo party of this? More like a hospital ward on wheels. [12:52] *rianne_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [12:52] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [12:53] oiaohm Why its a chemical fun mess. The cleaning solution is ozone. Of course that does not only basically nuke all viruses it does some quite horrible things to fabrics and other things making up the car. [12:53] oiaohm Yes it possible to clean the car. At the price of its internals. ● Nov 22 [13:06] schestowitz they just tick boxes [13:07] schestowitz wipe here, wipe there [13:07] schestowitz "alright, lad, come on in, it's covid-safe!" [13:07] schestowitz safe for covid anyway [13:07] schestowitz it's getting high chances of surviving by spreading to the next host [13:10] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [13:10] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144629 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6366cb0f-a251-4c15-b694-6873305b1c09] [13:10] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [13:11] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KaOS Linuxs November 2020 ISO Adds KDE Plasma 5.20 with Plasma System Monitor http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144630 [https://pleroma.site/objects/14246f47-ef0f-4c3c-a5b9-3b46912c29c4] [13:18] oiaohm schestowitz: ozone cleaning here was setup a long time ago. We have some very nasty native viruses that can go person to person. The method is not wipe. Its close the air system of the car and proceed to fill with ozone until really strong. As in if you are in the car you are dead. [13:19] oiaohm So existing system in place and covid-19 virus was not immune [13:57] vZS1 schestowitz: "No, only lies about both." Might be better using a semicolon or hyphen there. From: "Mortality Rates Increase at the EPO and Christmases (or Holidays) During Corona Mean Fewer Days Off" [13:58] schestowitz No; only... ? [13:58] schestowitz seems pedantic [13:58] schestowitz can you read my next and more important article? [13:59] schestowitz it's a good draft [13:59] vZS1 Sure. ● Nov 22 [14:00] vZS1 Link pls [14:07] schestowitz vZS1: http://techrights.org/2020/11/22/new-position-paper-upc/ [14:08] schestowitz quick [14:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | New Position Paper on the Unified Patent Court (UPC) Says Its Not the Best Solution for Europe Clearly an Understatement | Techrights [14:11] schestowitz btw, seems like our connection at home is being throttled down this weekend [14:11] schestowitz not sure if ipfs daemon plays any role of it, maybe hub issue, maybe just isp-level thing, maybe just 'bad luck' [14:11] schestowitz ipfs does about 40kb/sec at this moment, that's not terribly high [14:12] schestowitz two machines stream videos, that's more likely to be downstream culprit [14:13] schestowitz either way, not a complaint as much as an observation. It's not so slow that it's unbearable, just takes a little more patience, esp. for upstream [14:16] vZS1 schestowitz: "which explains that the UPC is unsustainable, unfit for purpose." [14:17] vZS1 sounds a bit off [14:17] vZS1 maybe an "and" instead of the comma? [14:18] vZS1 Rest looks good [14:18] vZS1 Re: ipfs traffic. If you want a full breakdown of bandwidth you can do the following: [14:20] schestowitz it doesn't say unsustainable [14:21] schestowitz but unsuitable [14:21] schestowitz I reworded that bit a little [14:21] schestowitz vZS1: I think that at home (did not check) we get about 5gb downstream per day [14:21] schestowitz for upstream it would mostly be rapi, I guess [14:22] schestowitz the ISPs don't like upstream [14:22] schestowitz for a lot of reasons [14:23] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [14:23] schestowitz TotalIn: 23 GB [14:23] schestowitz TotalOut: 9.0 GB [14:23] schestowitz RateIn: 24 kB/s [14:23] schestowitz RateOut: 21 kB/s [14:23] schestowitz it is increasing over time, the rates [14:23] vZS1 `$ less -f <(for i in $(ipfs id | jq .Protocols[] | sed -n "s:\"\(.*\)\":\1:p");do echo "${i}"; ipfs stats bw --proto "${i}"; echo "---" ;done )` [14:24] schestowitz it also keeps all CPU cores busy at about a quarter capacity [14:25] schestowitz -bash: jq: command not found [14:25] vZS1 Need to install that [14:25] vZS1 for parsing JSON [14:28] schestowitz I turned that into a script, chomd 700 [14:29] schestowitz *chmod [14:29] schestowitz it works [14:30] vZS1 That should give you a protocol-by-protocol breakdown of the bandwidth usage [14:30] schestowitz but I don't know the internals of ipfs [14:30] schestowitz so it does not tell me much [14:30] schestowitz except main 'offender'/'culprit being bitswap [14:30] vZS1 That [14:31] vZS1 That's the one that just handles requests for blocks on the network [14:31] schestowitz iirc, it only does portions of objects [14:32] schestowitz so you cannot really measure things like number of requests per objects across the network, which I suppose it a feature [14:32] schestowitz privacy, control-wise etc. [14:32] schestowitz [08:32] >> Short story, that's just not how IPFS works. It's inherently not a [14:32] schestowitz [08:32] >> hypertext, click-pressing thing. There are some HTTP gateways, but [14:32] schestowitz [08:32] >> they're sort of centralised, which beats the point. [14:32] schestowitz [08:32] > [14:32] schestowitz [08:32] > Ok. I am not up to speed on what IPFS is and how it works, or even how [14:32] schestowitz [08:32] > from a user perspective items are located and retrieved. [14:32] schestowitz [08:32] It helps to think about it like p2p networks, except the listing of what's on the network is done differently to avoid centralisation like TPB. [14:33] vZS1 I don't think there are many advanced metrics built into IPFS [14:33] schestowitz tech giants love 'rewarding' people with stats vanity [14:33] vZS1 It's mostly bare minimum [14:33] vZS1 Running a network like this generates enough data [14:33] vZS1 We don't need more [14:34] schestowitz I agree [14:34] schestowitz ego surfing and stuff isn't a good thing [14:35] schestowitz social control media rides this [14:35] schestowitz for "addiction" [14:35] schestowitz "your friend" [14:35] schestowitz "you got x likes" [14:35] schestowitz "show off your holiday pics" [14:35] schestowitz I think we need to explain to people that metrics are for a rogue industry [14:35] schestowitz that wants to see and measure everything [14:35] schestowitz dystopian vision [14:36] schestowitz even measuring people's eyelid momvements [14:36] schestowitz and tracking mouse movements [14:36] vZS1 I'm trying to figure out where the damn hash key is on my bluetooth keyboard [14:36] schestowitz it never ends well, it's that whole mental predicting thing [14:36] schestowitz like "what we can compel you to buy NEXT and HOW" [14:36] schestowitz keyboard should not have batteries [14:36] schestowitz unless you use a projector [14:37] vZS1 This is for my spyphone [14:37] schestowitz gimmicks like cordless things [14:37] schestowitz even 'phones' have ports [14:37] schestowitz unless they're those dumb 'waterproof' things [14:37] schestowitz because you always absolutely need to pick up a call while swimming or showring [14:38] schestowitz now they tell us headphones also need batteries [14:38] schestowitz not the ones you use far from the screen [14:38] *psymin has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [14:39] schestowitz but the ones that only take like 1 meter of fine cable/cord [14:39] schestowitz and are cheap to replace, no microprocessors in them [14:39] schestowitz and they then add DRM to those so-called 'headphones' and ports [14:39] schestowitz because "piracy" or something [14:39] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [14:41] vZS1 Back to what I forgot to say [14:42] vZS1 Bitswap is basically nodes requesting a certain CID [14:42] vZS1 So it's going to be the most common form of traffic [14:42] vZS1 Because you just ask around until you find a CID [14:43] vZS1 Bitswap queries the DHT [14:43] schestowitz hmmm... ddos [14:43] schestowitz have to block some things [14:44] schestowitz thought it would stop on its own [14:44] schestowitz wasted 2 minutes waiting [14:44] schestowitz now it's blocked [14:44] schestowitz about 1300 reqs/sec [14:44] vZS1 Christ [14:44] schestowitz minute [14:44] vZS1 Talk about obvious [14:44] schestowitz not second [14:44] schestowitz sorrt [14:44] schestowitz on wordpress [14:45] schestowitz not it's back to 450/min [14:45] vZS1 That's still over 20/sec [14:45] vZS1 from 1 address [14:45] schestowitz yeah, it was slowing down the site [14:45] schestowitz and apachetop showed at least one 500 error [14:45] vZS1 Sounds like a script kiddie to me [14:45] schestowitz so caused timeouts for some [14:46] schestowitz I blocked URLs, not IPs [14:46] vZS1 Do you have a packet filter running on the wordpress server? [14:47] schestowitz the datacentre has something [14:47] schestowitz the datacentre's owner died this month, car accident [14:47] vZS1 Might want to rate-limit each connection to 1 request per second [14:48] schestowitz we used to do fail2ban [14:48] schestowitz but many false positives back then [14:48] vZS1 Never used those kind of tools [14:49] vZS1 Just ran the OS-native packet filter [14:49] vZS1 with custom code [14:49] schestowitz if you run varnish it complicates it [14:49] schestowitz because all the traffic comes from the same place [14:49] schestowitz so you need to do the banning at varnish cache [14:49] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [14:50] schestowitz and then you're detached from cms context [14:50] schestowitz anyway, we'll be moving to a bigger server soon [14:50] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [14:50] schestowitz 32 cores [14:51] schestowitz Linux techrights-ctr-sfo1 5.4.77-0-lts #1-Alpine SMP Thu, 12 Nov 2020 12:21:35 UTC x86_64 Linux [14:53] schestowitz $ nproc [14:53] schestowitz 32 [14:54] *chomwitt has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [14:54] schestowitz i have a query [14:55] schestowitz is there some sort of web-facing thing a site can present about itself? [14:55] schestowitz like, ok... I need to explain better [14:55] schestowitz say you have a bunch of dedicated nodes with the site pinned [14:55] schestowitz and you want to show, say... over www with php, which ones are currently online [14:55] schestowitz and what objects are available [14:56] schestowitz and maybe act as a gateway for those (www gateway) [14:56] vZS1 You just tell them what you have pinned [14:56] schestowitz is there software for this? Like ""$SITE$ IPFS Status" [14:56] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [14:56] vZS1 `$ ipfs pin ls` [14:56] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [14:56] vZS1 Prettify that output [14:56] schestowitz I reckon some sites have some panel [14:56] schestowitz a front end [14:57] vZS1 I don't really see the point though apart from advertising what you've pinned [14:57] schestowitz bear in mind, we don't advertise ipfs yet [14:57] vZS1 The DHT has all that data [14:57] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [14:57] schestowitz except in daily irc postsings [14:57] schestowitz techrights.org/category/irc-logs/ [14:58] schestowitz http://techrights.org/category/irc-logs/ [14:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Logs | Techrights [14:58] schestowitz notice format change 2 days ago [14:58] vZS1 your /ipfs and /ipfs/txt already advertises all your pins [14:58] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [14:59] schestowitz took a couple of hours to automate this new layout [14:59] schestowitz vZS1: someone asked me about gnunet yesterday [14:59] schestowitz I don't know enough about it [14:59] vZS1 I don't either [14:59] schestowitz seems rather different from ipfs [14:59] vZS1 Wrong person here [14:59] schestowitz gnu taler is even more confusing to me ● Nov 22 [15:00] schestowitz I think there might even be overlap [15:00] vZS1 I settled with IPFS because it's minimal and it works [15:01] schestowitz I will add ipfs to our top menu now [15:01] vZS1 Even Bittorrent has grown with bloat without much real innovation [15:01] schestowitz if you say there's no "fancier" way or presenting it [15:02] schestowitz like some back-end php file that will gather info and serve it [15:02] vZS1 Not really aware of such [15:02] vZS1 If I do find out, I'll let you know [15:03] vZS1 There's not much to it. You add files, get a CID thrown at you, you share the CID (and keep the data pinned if you're serving) [15:04] schestowitz ok, added [15:04] schestowitz open any page now [15:04] schestowitz see top right corner [15:04] vZS1 If you want a static pointer to a node that's changing stuff, you can use IPNS but that's a bit complicated for the average user. [15:05] schestowitz I wonder if I should add little icons to the menu [15:05] vZS1 Because that would require managing a public key and updating that IPNS record every time you change the IPFS objects pointed to by that IPNS record. [15:05] schestowitz upside - looks neat [15:05] schestowitz downside - visitor has more objects to fetch [15:05] vZS1 Let me take a look [15:06] MinceR https://i.imgur.com/PFvBMMZ.jpg [15:06] Ariadne schestowitz: put them in a font using fontello [15:07] schestowitz Ariadne: thanks, looking into it [15:07] schestowitz MinceR: where's Madison? [15:07] MinceR \_()_/ [15:08] schestowitz fontello is on shite-hub [15:08] schestowitz looking into it [15:08] schestowitz maybe I can just do some unicode [15:09] Ariadne who cares [15:09] schestowitz seems like that would involve serving extra font files [15:09] schestowitz however small [15:09] Ariadne yes: one file [15:10] Ariadne for all your icons [15:10] schestowitz hmm... not sure if all browsers support that [15:10] schestowitz I do know unicode is supported by everything from the past decade plus [15:10] schestowitz let's see what unicode can offer for these items we have [15:11] Ariadne all browsers made in the past decade support icon fonts [15:12] Ariadne i doubt many people are browsing techrights using IE6 [15:12] vZS1 Btw, description field is mixing up log and bulletin in the index [15:12] schestowitz see IPFS at the top of http://techrights.org/2020/11/22/irc-log-211120/ [15:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, November 21, 2020 | Techrights [15:12] schestowitz top right [15:12] schestowitz ䷉ next to it [15:12] vZS1 Wouldn't it be better to keep the description separate? [15:12] Ariadne an internet connected turing machine (e.g. browser) should be kept up to date anyway [15:13] vZS1 Because now the reader doesn't know if the file is a log or bulletin until after they fetch it [15:13] schestowitz vZS1: it is ambiguous [15:13] schestowitz as both use .txt extensions [15:13] vZS1 I'd change that [15:13] schestowitz and both use the word techrights in them [15:13] vZS1 The old description is better [15:13] schestowitz so I need better regex to resolve ambiguity [15:14] schestowitz let me check [15:14] schestowitz ah, ok [15:14] schestowitz I reconciled on this because if you look at filename [15:14] schestowitz then you know which one is IRC log [15:19] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/theodicy [15:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Theodicy [15:20] vZS1 Ah okay [15:21] *xvx (~xvx@185.48.63.104) has joined #techrights [15:22] schestowitz Home [15:22] schestowitz Wiki [15:22] schestowitz I'm finding some handy unicode [15:22] schestowitz no extra objects, people already have those on their systems [15:22] vZS1 Unicode is great [15:22] schestowitz at OS/browser level [15:22] vZS1 Most old terminals emulators support unicode [15:22] schestowitz emojis are a pain [15:23] vZS1 It's just a matter of having the right fonts installed [15:23] schestowitz hmm.. musical notes... all in unicode [15:23] schestowitz esp. the basic ones [15:24] schestowitz 1,114,112 characters [15:24] XRevan86 Where else would they be? [15:25] schestowitz [15:25] schestowitz [15:25] MinceR [15:25] vZS1 Zionist [15:26] vZS1 \s [15:26] MinceR no, that's [15:26] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [15:27] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [15:27] MinceR or [15:27] vZS1 Ah. My bad [15:30] schestowitz I'm looking for something chat-like [15:31] schestowitz or speech/bubble [15:31] schestowitz for IRC [15:31] schestowitz in standard unicode, not emoji [15:31] schestowitz too low on support [15:31] XRevan86 [15:31] schestowitz xchat doesn't even render those [15:31] schestowitz it shows a bunch of junk [15:31] schestowitz konversation can cope [15:31] XRevan86 schestowitz: "emoji" is a subset of standard unicode [15:32] schestowitz but it causes issues [15:32] schestowitz I'm no charset expert, but... [15:32] XRevan86 I guess they're too recent for your fonts. [15:32] schestowitz enojis break drupal 6 [15:32] schestowitz at least with our setup [15:32] schestowitz I need to manually remove those [15:32] DaemonFC[m] It says TSX instructions were removed from Comet Lake. [15:32] XRevan86 schestowitz: I know why that is. [15:32] schestowitz I see lots of tibetian in unicode [15:32] MinceR [15:32] schestowitz I don't support china is happy about it [15:32] schestowitz MinceR: renders as crap [15:33] schestowitz in xchat [15:33] DaemonFC[m] Probably just no way to fix those side channel attacks. [15:33] XRevan86 schestowitz: It's not because "emoji", it's because MariaDB's utf8(mb3) type only allows up to 3 bytes for a symbol. [15:33] MinceR looks better in browser >> https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+1F5E8 [15:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.compart.com | U+1F5E8 Left Speech Bubble Unicode Character [15:33] XRevan86 schestowitz: One should use utf8mb4 instead. [15:33] schestowitz XRevan86: yeah, that's what I thought was happening [15:33] DaemonFC[m] It's really time to declare GNOME deprecated. [15:33] schestowitz that's very long unicode [15:34] schestowitz Home Wiki About Patents Antitrust Standards GNU/Linux Privacy Media IPFSIRCRSS Bulletin [15:34] schestowitz these all show up ok in old software I test with [15:35] MinceR :) [15:35] *tr_guest|73448 (95ca4d4d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.149.202.77.77) has joined #techrights [15:36] XRevan86 this is not emoji, and it won't work with utf8mb3 [15:36] schestowitz hi, tr_guest|73448 [15:36] XRevan86 (public domain symbol) [15:37] schestowitz The ones that have subitems I'll leave without icons as it might look confusing (down arrows adjacent) [15:37] schestowitz [15:37] schestowitz this is tibetian [15:37] schestowitz nowhere near chat bubble lolllll [15:37] *tr_guest|73448 has quit (Client Quit) [15:38] schestowitz kangxi [15:38] schestowitz [15:38] schestowitz ambiguous [15:40] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [15:40] schestowitz [15:40] schestowitz too im/chat-like [15:40] schestowitz katakana [15:41] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz Kelly Loeffler getting the Coronavirus makes it almost certain that Just Shelton can't get her seat on the Fed. [15:41] DaemonFC[m] *Judy [15:42] DaemonFC[m] Even if McConnell tries bringing it up again in the next week it would simply fail 46-50 this time. [15:42] DaemonFC[m] Then in December, Republican Senator Martha McSally loses her seat to Democrat Mark Kelly. [15:43] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [15:43] DaemonFC[m] So even with all members there, the math would come out to 49-51, which would still fail. [15:44] DaemonFC[m] This insanity of McConnell refusing to allow proxy votes and Republicans coming down with the virus is leading to a Senate that's paralyzed for the final weeks of Trump's term. [15:44] *vZS1 (~vZS1@92.40.192.152.threembb.co.uk) has joined #techrights [15:44] DaemonFC[m] He could have done far more had he changed the rules which makes me wonder why he didn't. [15:45] schestowitz we're talking about tech,,, [15:45] DaemonFC[m] Economics is tech these days. [15:45] schestowitz right [15:45] schestowitz but.. [15:45] DaemonFC[m] We're talking about a tech economy and someone who wants to return to a gold standard. [15:45] schestowitz most of us don't know politicians by their names [15:46] schestowitz don't know who Mark Kelly. [15:46] schestowitz don't know who Mark Kelly is. [15:46] schestowitz and I read lots of about US politics [15:46] schestowitz tech economy is almost an oxymoron [15:46] schestowitz when your gov subsidises tech [15:46] DaemonFC[m] Thankfully, it seems we'll avoid her due to the Republican Party being too stupid to wield power under totally foreseeable circumstances. [15:46] schestowitz to dominate the world, infiltrating every server room [15:46] schestowitz with nothing to show for it [15:46] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/nature [15:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Nature [15:47] schestowitz no financial return demonstrated [15:47] schestowitz we have 2 trillion in debt [15:47] schestowitz US has 27 and growing [15:47] schestowitz the empire overstretches [15:47] schestowitz and so you now have a starvation crisis [15:47] XRevan86 fourth byte too [15:47] schestowitz on top of homelessness, tent cities and all [15:47] schestowitz XRevan86: darm, rms inside unicode /sarcasm [15:48] schestowitz what does copyleft for text mean? [15:48] DaemonFC[m] I think Biden will be able to get quite a bit through the Senate. [15:48] schestowitz XRevan86: I completed the set [15:48] DaemonFC[m] It's easier to do nothing at all when you have a big majority. And a 2 seat Senate majority isn't a big majority. [15:48] schestowitz Home [15:48] schestowitz Wiki [15:48] schestowitz [15:48] DaemonFC[m] So there will be a lot of fault lines developing cracks on this issue or that one. [15:49] schestowitz Home [15:49] schestowitz Wiki [15:49] schestowitz IPFS [15:49] schestowitz IRC [15:49] schestowitz RSS [15:49] schestowitz not sure about RSS, could not find anything remotely related tbh [15:49] XRevan86 schestowitz: Could mean that plagiat has to be copyleft as well. [15:49] schestowitz biden will solve little [15:49] schestowitz and it's not his fault tbh [15:49] DaemonFC[m] Party leadership (McConnell) will clash with members who have elections to win soon and ones that want to get their own stuff done. [15:49] schestowitz he'll just carry on passing debt money to his sponsors [15:49] schestowitz broadband, tech etc. [15:49] DaemonFC[m] So I don't see him keeping good control over the votes. [15:50] schestowitz to keep them happy and rich [15:50] schestowitz while failing to salvage the real economy [15:50] DaemonFC[m] Well, I think Trump is finished. Nobody wants to admit it at this point. [15:50] schestowitz and this will result in more disgruntled-turned-deplorable [15:50] schestowitz maybe Pence 2024 [15:50] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [15:50] DaemonFC[m] They're talking about some 2024 comeback when it's not even clear he'll be alive. [15:50] schestowitz he got nowhere near the same publicity as Agent Orange [15:51] schestowitz and he can still aim at those evangelicals and people who have nothing left by "JESUS" [15:51] DaemonFC[m] No, I think we're going to either see a shift back to the middle or a second term for Biden. [15:51] schestowitz *but [15:51] MinceR [15:51] schestowitz comes up as cruft in xchat [15:52] schestowitz in older system anyway [15:52] MinceR :> [15:52] DaemonFC[m] I think that Biden support is better than it looks, honestly. It's almost unheard of to even come close to picking off an incumbent president, let alone doing it. [15:52] schestowitz in debian 100 xchat handles it ok [15:52] DaemonFC[m] I don't even think Bill Clinton could have done it without Ross Perot being this weird guy with a following. [15:52] schestowitz hmm.. just checked "about"... xchat goes back to 1998 [15:53] DaemonFC[m] There's a lot of people out there who are socially progressive and fiscally conservative. [15:53] DaemonFC[m] Perot did get like 20% of the popular vote, almost. [15:53] DaemonFC[m] It's pretty clear from those electoral maps that a lot of that support came out of the Republican side, but also true that that was then and this is now. [15:53] *vZS1 (~vZS1@92.40.192.152.threembb.co.uk) has joined #techrights [15:54] DaemonFC[m] Perot had some similarities to Trump, and some differences. He promoted himself at a Washington outsider and a successful businessman, but unlike Trump he was actually a successful businessman. [15:55] DaemonFC[m] Trump's been successful in filing bankruptcy 6 times, and maybe a 7th, from prison. [15:55] schestowitz Bloomberg [15:55] schestowitz failed [15:55] schestowitz but spent, iirc, 250 million on his campaign [15:56] schestowitz almost as much as biden candidate [15:56] schestowitz not nominee [15:56] schestowitz and then he handed over the 'MIKE' campaign to Joe [15:56] DaemonFC[m] He also unleashed $100 million into Florida for Biden, and Biden still lost the popular vote in Florida by 3 points [15:56] schestowitz so basically like illegal campaign funding [15:56] schestowitz ALSO [15:56] schestowitz Bloomberg LP was the BIGGEST sponsor of the Biden run [15:56] schestowitz So Biden won't bite Wall Street [15:56] vZS1 3 icons combine quite well for IPFS: file+pin+share [15:56] DaemonFC[m] Florida was just a disaster for Biden, and he was lucky that Trump was quite, quite unpopular in the metro areas of Georgia and Arizona. [15:56] *Blukunfando has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [15:57] vZS1 unicode [15:57] schestowitz proof in the screenshots here http://techrights.org/2020/11/08/political-debt/ [15:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Who President Biden is Indebted to (e.g. Google Monopoly and the Financial Sector) | Techrights [15:57] schestowitz source: opensecrets [15:57] schestowitz vZS1: which ones? [15:57] schestowitz I can do submenu [15:57] DaemonFC[m] It's an odd map. [15:58] DaemonFC[m] He was able to counter the loss of Florida by taking two reliably red states. [15:58] DaemonFC[m] But Georgia will probably "fix" things to cheat the voters more efficiently next time. [15:58] DaemonFC[m] So I wouldn't bet on a repeat. [15:59] DaemonFC[m] Means he needs to figure out some other strategy in 4 years or hope that the Republicans just throw their support behind some loser to say they had a candidate. [15:59] DaemonFC[m] I think Trump is going to be too damaged to get this kind of showing again even if he's alive at all. [15:59] schestowitz https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/wisconsins-recount-trump-defeat/ [15:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | Wisconsins Recount Will Only Serve to Confirm Donald Trumps Humiliating Defeat | The Nation ● Nov 22 [16:00] DaemonFC[m] He'd be the first person to run from prison since Eugene Debs. [16:00] DaemonFC[m] He demanded a second recount in Georgia. [16:00] DaemonFC[m] Why not? Taxpayers have to pay for it. [16:00] DaemonFC[m] It won't change anything and it will be finished much faster since they're just fed through an optical scanner this time. [16:01] DaemonFC[m] I'm skeptical that they'll just keep managing to "find" more bags of votes for him without drawing too much suspicion. [16:02] vZS1 Something like [16:04] schestowitz those are not widelt supported [16:04] *zjmc_ (~jmc@184.75.221.115) has joined #techrights [16:04] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: At this point, another recount might change the statewide total by tens of votes. [16:04] DaemonFC[m] Biden's ahead by 12,700. [16:04] schestowitz https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/trump-prosecute-crimes-biden/ [16:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | The Perils of Not Prosecuting Trump | The Nation [16:04] schestowitz like Bush (II) [16:04] DaemonFC[m] Regardless the outcome, it's not going to reverse things because there is no "next recount". [16:04] XRevan86 vZS1: Come on, this is the fourth byte [16:05] vZS1 I don't really know much about the details of fonts and Unicode [16:05] schestowitz those are borderline emojis [16:06] schestowitz with colours and all on some systems [16:06] schestowitz it's like the "new generation" [16:06] XRevan86 vZS1: You can just check the codepoint, everything starting with U+10000 is in the fourth byte of UTF-8. [16:06] schestowitz where each "emotion" even has ethnics variants to it [16:06] DaemonFC[m] I came across articles urging Biden to pardon Trump. [16:06] DaemonFC[m] Didn't work out too well for President Ford. [16:06] schestowitz like "brown hand", "black hand", etc. [16:06] DaemonFC[m] But, uh, alrighty. [16:06] schestowitz next week they might even do rainbow hands [16:07] DaemonFC[m] The people would would be incredibly offended and might withhold their vote next time, would all be coming out of Biden's base. [16:07] DaemonFC[m] It would change nothing about Biden in the minds of Republican voters. [16:07] DaemonFC[m] So he'd be incredibly damaged and with no upside for him. [16:07] schestowitz wait [16:07] schestowitz he gave a MEDAL to Bush [16:07] vZS1 You assume everyone has hands? That's discrimination! [16:07] schestowitz biden has no morals to stand on [16:07] schestowitz he also praised mccain [16:08] XRevan86 vZS1: Like is U+1F4C4 [16:08] schestowitz mccain [16:08] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/11/10/biden-shifted-to-the-right/ [16:08] schestowitz video [16:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | President-elect Biden is Already Being Shifted to the Right | Techrights [16:08] XRevan86 5 digits unacceptable for schestowitz [16:08] schestowitz bush award: http://techrights.org/2020/11/09/biden-riaa-and-mpaa/ [16:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Just for the Record(ing Industry): Joe Biden is an Enemy of Freedom and of Software Freedom | Techrights [16:08] schestowitz XRevan86: then we become toy site [16:08] DaemonFC[m] https://politicalwire.com/2020/11/22/u-s-economy-hurtles-toward-covid-cliff/ [16:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-politicalwire.com | U.S. Economy Hurtles Toward COVID Cliff [16:08] schestowitz with emojis showing up [16:09] schestowitz myspace-rights [16:09] schestowitz even myspace didn't do emojis [16:09] *Blukunfando (~bkf@134.red-83-42-109.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) has joined #techrights [16:09] schestowitz it predated 'smart' phones [16:09] XRevan86 schestowitz: I've seen serious discussions about how white people mustn't appropriate dark skinned emojis. [16:09] DaemonFC[m] As economy is scheduled to fail in 20 days or so, CNN be like "Here's Oprah's reading list and Walmart has Black Friday vacuum cleaners!". [16:10] XRevan86 I think the sentiment is "don't try to look like my ally, you are not" [16:10] schestowitz XRevan86: change all emojis of humans to green skinned and be done with it [16:10] schestowitz save some font space [16:10] XRevan86 On the Internet, everybody has to know what breed of a dog you are [16:11] schestowitz I suppose some people might say they're offended by "tweets" with the 'wrong' colour of emojis in them [16:11] schestowitz not inclusive enough [16:11] schestowitz and those people would be whites/irish like mjg59 claiming to be concerned 'for' other races [16:11] schestowitz races that were never offended by such tweets in the first place [16:12] schestowitz then they'd have a new P-C font sey [16:12] vZS1 Ah yes. Your lack of the right emoji colour offends me greatly [16:12] schestowitz that overrided the standard one [16:12] MinceR [16:12] schestowitz or which converts those based on the identity of their user [16:12] schestowitz to "tailor" for the device owner [16:12] schestowitz and avoid offence, tears [16:13] schestowitz even the brown poo will be turned white [16:13] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Twisted psychological manipulation.... [16:13] schestowitz if you're Caucasian [16:13] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [16:13] DaemonFC[m] Prices on Amazon and Walmart tend to change depending on how much a computer program thinks you'll pay. [16:13] schestowitz MinceR: shows up as cruft in older OSes [16:13] XRevan86 scientes: You're the most Caucasian here, you'll be our expert [16:14] XRevan86 scientes: Do they? :D [16:14] vZS1 I forgot about Black Friday [16:14] schestowitz and in here not as monochrome [16:14] schestowitz Black friday is awesome [16:14] scientes On the Internet, everybody has to know what breed of a dog you are [16:14] scientes hahahahaha [16:14] schestowitz wish we had a public holiday for sales and discounts named after non-blacks [16:14] schestowitz they get all the fun [16:15] schestowitz we just get Memorial Day [16:15] schestowitz and death stuff [16:15] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I just shop in the store now. [16:15] DaemonFC[m] They have no idea who will walk up to that shelf, and changing signage requires employee labor hours and applies to everyone. [16:16] schestowitz with cash [16:16] scientes [16:16] DaemonFC[m] So these stupid games become impossible when online they can raise the price just for you. [16:16] scientes cut-and-paste emoji [16:16] scientes oh no, Page [16:16] scientes geeze [16:16] scientes why not just use the block-drawing characters [16:16] vZS1 It's like Halloween [16:16] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: No point paying cash at Walmart for me. [16:17] vZS1 Celebrating consumerism [16:17] DaemonFC[m] I'd lose Mandy's 10% discount and they'd still know who I am. [16:17] scientes XRevan86, do *who* [what?]? [16:17] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: that's their tricks [16:17] DaemonFC[m] Might as well just use the Walmart credit card and take another 2%. [16:17] scientes vZS1, how is vZS1 consumerism? [16:17] vZS1 I'd rather celebrate it as All Saints Day [16:17] schestowitz 'loyalty cards' as punishment for privacy [16:17] schestowitz you pay extra to not give your ID [16:17] scientes vZS1, haloween [16:17] XRevan86 (1613:07) schestowitz: even the brown poo will be turned white [16:17] XRevan86 (16:13:17) schestowitz: if you're Caucasian [16:17] schestowitz which prevents them selling your data like Nectar does here in the ukania [16:17] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Yeah, like the infamous $4.99 milk at Kroger, which is $2.18 with your "loyalty card". [16:18] *xvx has quit (Quit: xvx) [16:18] DaemonFC[m] They punish privacy, severely. [16:18] schestowitz [16:17] Might as well just use the Walmart credit card and take another 2%. [16:18] scientes XRevan86, I can assure you that in the out-house largely in disuse in Ureki, the poop is brown [16:18] schestowitz don't buy in walmart [16:18] schestowitz they punish anonymous shoppers [16:18] schestowitz that's why I shop in aldi unless we find discounted somewhere [16:19] DaemonFC[m] Well, Aldi has what they have. [16:19] schestowitz aldi gives no discounts, "di" is almost the discount [16:19] vZS1 Aldi is also generally the cheapest [16:19] schestowitz altricht discount iirc [16:19] DaemonFC[m] Not necessarily. [16:19] XRevan86 scientes: heh :) [16:19] DaemonFC[m] Aldi is higher than Walmart in some cases. [16:19] DaemonFC[m] So unless you're just there to fill up on pantry staples, don't bother. [16:19] schestowitz https://jacobinmag.com/2020/11/mcdonalds-walmarts-low-wage-public-subsidies/ [16:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jacobinmag.com | The Class War at Walmart [16:20] vZS1 I only really buy pantry staples [16:20] *rianne_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [16:20] DaemonFC[m] Like, canned vegetables at Walmart are generally between 8 and 28 cents more per can than Aldi. [16:20] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:20] DaemonFC[m] The name brand canned vegetables are just outrageously expensive. [16:20] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [16:21] DaemonFC[m] You can almost buy 4 cans of corn at Aldi for the cost of 1 can of name brand corn at Walmart. [16:21] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:21] vZS1 Lidl are being a bit weird. They have some items which are the only type in the store and are quite pricy. More than what you'd even pay in Co-op [16:23] vZS1 I've noticed that a lot in Lidl recently. They limit choice to one type and that type is pretty expensive [16:23] schestowitz lidl is indeed weird [16:25] DaemonFC[m] I don't know who is giving The Witcher bad ratings. [16:25] DaemonFC[m] Netflix seems to be doubling down on it. They renewed it and say a spinoff is on the way, and did an animated movie too. [16:26] DaemonFC[m] These critics are bizarre people. That's all I have to say. [16:26] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144632 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a92ffed4-f671-4c7c-bad4-3a3961641fb0] [16:27] CrystalMath the witcher sucks [16:27] DaemonFC[m] I picked up some foreign film in the library a few years ago because it got a 96% on Rotten Tomatoes. It turned out to be about a teenage boy with a foreskin problem fucking a squid from the supermarket in the bathroom. [16:27] vZS1 I read all the books [16:27] vZS1 The show isn't bad [16:27] DaemonFC[m] So, that's what the critics like, fuck the critics. [16:27] vZS1 But they changed a lot if things [16:28] DaemonFC[m] There's a lot of stuff on Rotten Tomatoes that gets 80-90% or more and you watch it and it's just a complete snoozefest. [16:28] DaemonFC[m] Or it's just so bizarre and pervy that only a deranged mind would have given it a rating like that. [16:29] CrystalMath if genre = "fantasy" then it sucks [16:29] vZS1 Ratings are a waste of time [16:29] vZS1 Just like social media [16:29] CrystalMath i give it a 1 [16:29] CrystalMath out of whatever [16:29] MinceR out of 1 [16:29] MinceR (floating-point) [16:29] CrystalMath MinceR: no, out of at least 10 [16:29] DaemonFC[m] Facebook is not even worth paying attention to now, if it ever was. [16:30] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Weekly Roundup: Firefox 83, Kali Linux 2020.4, Opera with Music Player http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144631 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1b561554-e210-490a-88cc-ccfdeadb00ca] [16:30] CrystalMath you know, i've never seen it [16:30] vZS1 Watch/read/listen to it and make up your own mind [16:30] CrystalMath i haven't really seen lord of the rings, either [16:30] CrystalMath even though i watched lord of the rings [16:30] CrystalMath but i fell asleep [16:30] CrystalMath after just 15 minutes [16:31] CrystalMath that movie is better than sleeping pills [16:31] vZS1 Ratings are a circle jerk just like social media [16:31] CrystalMath if a movie is just an empty fairytale with no purpose or meaning behind it, i find it ultra boring [16:32] CrystalMath or if the purpose or meaning is something meant for kindergarten [16:32] MinceR yeah, being entertained is bad [16:32] MinceR they must drop ALL the anvils [16:33] CrystalMath i don't like 100% realism either [16:33] CrystalMath that's like serbian TV [16:33] CrystalMath it's terrible [16:33] schestowitz I got 2,333,666,232 likes. Now I can save the planet! >> [16:31] Ratings are a circle jerk just like social media [16:33] CrystalMath the only good way, is to create something that is not realistic, but STILL meaningful and intelligent [16:34] CrystalMath well i suppose unless you're making a movie for kids specifically, then fantasy is fine [16:35] schestowitz if you want fiction, go read twitter.com/realDonaldSlup [16:35] schestowitz mostly fiction [16:35] schestowitz with figment of reality [16:35] schestowitz like names [16:35] schestowitz the prince of whales [16:35] schestowitz and various wrong names [16:36] schestowitz but based on real countries and people [16:36] schestowitz sometimes [16:36] schestowitz and civil war with air bases [16:36] schestowitz lincoln freed them up for aliens to land [16:36] schestowitz to provide artillery support [16:37] CrystalMath IMO the best filmmaker is David Lynch [16:37] schestowitz or check out qanon [16:37] schestowitz what's left of it in twitter [16:37] vZS1 I read rumours of Mark Hamil being cast in the second season of The Witcher [16:37] schestowitz seeing that many of those cranks are also de-platformed from youtube [16:39] MinceR 22 173334 < schestowitz> I got 2,333,666,232 likes. Now I can save the planet! >> [16:31] Ratings are a circle jerk just like social media [16:39] *MinceR saves the planet to a file [16:40] CrystalMath MinceR: i can't be entertained by stupid [16:40] MinceR CrystalMath: so if you don't like it, it's got to be stupid [16:40] *rianne_ has quit (Read error: No route to host) [16:41] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:41] CrystalMath MinceR: no, what i mean is, i can't be entertained by something that's not trying to tell me something profound [16:41] *rianne_ has quit (Client Quit) [16:41] CrystalMath or at the very least interesting enough to be relevant [16:42] CrystalMath the only thing that doesn't have this requirement is comedy [16:42] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:42] *schestowitz deletes the file by writing null to it [16:39] * MinceR saves the planet to a file [16:43] *rianne_ has quit (Client Quit) [16:43] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:44] *rianne_ has quit (Client Quit) [16:44] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:44] MinceR CrystalMath: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Anvilicious [16:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tvtropes.org | Anvilicious - TV Tropes [16:44] *rianne_ has quit (Client Quit) [16:45] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:45] CrystalMath MinceR: heh, i didn't mean like that [16:45] CrystalMath MinceR: i expect artists to obscure the meaning of their work [16:45] CrystalMath not just drop it [16:45] CrystalMath dropping it is, again, stupid [16:45] CrystalMath but not always [16:45] MinceR but not so much that you won't notice, because then it's "stupid" and you fall asleep [16:46] MinceR and it has to be there in the first 15 minutes too [16:46] MinceR so they had better feed those anvils into a railgun [16:47] CrystalMath a long-winded story about a bunch of characters going to get rid of a ring is a bad start [16:47] *rianne_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [16:47] CrystalMath maybe it's obscuring a meaning (based on the first 15 minutes) but it's packing it in a particularly boring package [16:47] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:48] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [16:48] *vZS1 (~vZS1@92.40.170.219.threembb.co.uk) has joined #techrights [16:48] *rianne_ has quit (Client Quit) [16:48] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:49] *rianne_ has quit (Client Quit) [16:49] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:49] *rianne_ has quit (Client Quit) [16:50] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:55] CrystalMath i wonder, will AI surpass humans because AI will get better, or because humans will get dumber [16:57] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) ● Nov 22 [17:01] MinceR CrystalMath: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/ai-3 [17:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - AI [17:01] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [17:02] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Open Hardware: RISC-V and Raspberry Pi http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144633 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5f9c2631-0793-4d44-b613-1c5050c3ad9f] [17:03] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144634 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4d29ddcd-a4c9-42f4-9ef0-9f76c91ec6ec] [17:04] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:04] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:08] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Software: KOpeningHours, PTS, RSS Guard, Grafana http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144635 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8166cfbd-8339-4fa2-a49d-4d6072d1a81a] [17:10] *willyg_cos (~joeuser@193.37.254.131) has joined #techrights [17:11] schestowitz [16:55] i wonder, will AI surpass humans because AI will get better, or because humans will get dumber [17:11] schestowitz hey, hi, CrystalMath [17:11] *zjmc_ (~jmc@184.75.221.115) has left #techrights [17:17] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 22/11/2020: KaOS 2020.11, Calindori 1.3, KStars 3.5.0 http://techrights.org/2020/11/22/kstars-3-5-0/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/c5cc6029-e9a3-4c32-b3b0-19932a3a407f] [17:25] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Firefox-Based Chrome OS Alternative http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144506#comment-27214 [https://pleroma.site/objects/415daed9-03c8-4cef-aedf-c1f7ba07fa60] [17:28] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [17:28] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [17:28] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GIMP: This is 25 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144636 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6438ead2-00ff-48e4-aedf-1b1d5be9f7ae] [17:28] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:29] CrystalMath hi schestowitz [17:30] schestowitz what is "hey hi"? [17:31] schestowitz i herd you like hey hi, so I coded some hey hi to emulate the hey hi [17:31] CrystalMath i'm confused [17:31] schestowitz hey hi-ai [17:31] schestowitz we joke about it [17:32] schestowitz what is hey hi [17:32] schestowitz in reality [17:32] schestowitz data driven classifiers [17:32] schestowitz e.g. here's 50 images of black men [17:32] schestowitz and 500 images of non-blacks [17:32] *rianne_ has quit (Read error: No route to host) [17:32] schestowitz figure out for me a classifier that, given an image, will tell me which set it belongs to [17:32] MinceR hi confused, i'm dad [17:32] schestowitz so it builds decision trees [17:32] schestowitz of some kind [17:33] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:33] schestowitz like if else ifelse elseif maze [17:33] *rianne_ has quit (Client Quit) [17:33] schestowitz mumbo jumbo, ineffient crap [17:33] schestowitz but cheap to build, because "data-driven" [17:33] schestowitz no programmer hours [17:33] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:33] schestowitz but now "hey hi" is just any program with if/else [17:34] schestowitz so anything with some logic in it gets called "hey hi" [17:34] *rianne_ has quit (Client Quit) [17:34] MinceR i thought it was either data-driven (i.e. machine learning) or a bunch of if statements, but not both :> [17:34] schestowitz machine learning yields a program [17:34] schestowitz or program with paramters coded into it [17:34] schestowitz like thresholds [17:35] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:35] schestowitz but anyway, none of that is new [17:35] schestowitz the media hype is new [17:35] schestowitz and I see even geeks falling for it [17:35] schestowitz like they do "clown computing" [17:35] schestowitz mainframe was "clown" [17:35] schestowitz "app" is just alpha/prototype of actual software [17:36] schestowitz some two-button thing build from "framework" [17:36] schestowitz *built [17:36] vZS1 They give statistics some awfully fancy names, these days [17:36] schestowitz it's cheapening everything [17:36] schestowitz and others gain [17:36] schestowitz "clown" is abstraction [17:36] schestowitz you're just some guest with "computer minutes" [17:36] vZS1 I had a look at some "machine learning" [17:36] schestowitz vZS1: how do YOU know? Are you a DATA SCIENTIST? [17:37] vZS1 It just looks like linear algebra and statistics [17:37] schestowitz it is [17:37] MinceR 22 183442 < schestowitz> machine learning yields a program [17:37] vZS1 I don't get what the fuss is all about [17:37] MinceR i thought it yielded a bunch of data (e.g. matrices) [17:37] schestowitz "Microsoft HEY HI" [17:37] schestowitz they have commercials now" [17:37] schestowitz "talk to the Watson" [17:37] schestowitz "Talk to Alexa" [17:37] schestowitz "Talk to the jand" [17:37] MinceR and then that would be fed to a program that doesn't change as part of the ML process [17:37] schestowitz "HEY HI will do the rest(tm)" [17:38] vZS1 Just like quantum computers [17:38] schestowitz so sit back and rest [17:38] vZS1 They can't do things that (partial)recursive functions can't model [17:38] vZS1 So they're just fast computers [17:39] schestowitz QC(R) [17:39] schestowitz QC(TM) [17:39] schestowitz buy now [17:39] schestowitz $200,000,000 [17:39] schestowitz and then you can do all the "HEY HI" [17:39] schestowitz and cold war and stuff [17:40] schestowitz I heard area 51 has some aliens in it [17:40] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [17:40] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:40] schestowitz watch out, the US had "HEY HI" tech of aliens, did ya hear dat Kruschev? [17:41] *rianne_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [17:41] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:41] *rianne_ has quit (Client Quit) [17:42] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:42] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:43] vZS1 Taking the Pi offline. Going to attempt putting OpenBSD on it, tomorrow. [17:44] schestowitz why? [17:46] vZS1 Less stuff to manage. [17:46] MinceR (cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/14/e2e553850d62e87d.jpg [17:48] vZS1 All my stuff is cross-platform anyway [17:48] *zjmc_ (~jmc@162.219.176.3) has joined #techrights [17:49] schestowitz MinceR: Coffee time [17:49] schestowitz she could never sleep after that incidnt [17:49] schestowitz didn't know why ● Nov 22 [18:07] vZS1 Someone asked me what the best thing to come out of Linux is [18:07] vZS1 I said Git [18:07] vZS1 I think I triggered them [18:11] schestowitz maybe they think gnu is linux [18:11] schestowitz gnu gave us most of what people attribute to linux [18:11] schestowitz openssh is bsd [18:12] schestowitz a lot of people think anything you can run on linux is "LINUX" [18:12] schestowitz maybe thinking even apache is linux [18:16] vZS1 Pf and libressl are also OpenBSD [18:21] vZS1 I'm migrating the Pi to clear up network and log congestion [18:21] vZS1 So much stuff from Linux and systemd is making my life really harder than it needs to be [18:22] vZS1 All the Pi does is run a few daemons and GNU utils [18:34] schestowitz vZS1: see http://techrights.org/2020/11/22/irc-log-211120/ [18:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, November 21, 2020 | Techrights [18:34] schestowitz we improved the layout a bit [18:34] schestowitz for ipfs [18:34] schestowitz any suggestions can help [18:48] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/21/business/voice-of-america-violated-journalists-rights/index.html [18:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Voice of America CEO curbed First Amendment rights of its journalists, judge rules - CNN [18:52] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Cory @Doctorow at Privacy Week 2020 on DRM, Freedom/Software Freedom, Regulation, Etc. http://techrights.org/2020/11/22/cory-doctorow-privacy-week/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/729bf8f7-e45b-4deb-86b3-60f16ca967c8] [18:57] DaemonFC[m] My dad is convinced that the Supreme Court is going to step in and hand the election to Trump. [18:57] DaemonFC[m] If that was going to happen, we wouldn't be talking about 30 lower court rulings in a row that he lost and which aren't even being appealed. [18:59] schestowitz "dad" is convince Scientology isn't a scam, either [18:59] schestowitz maybe "dad" also thinks Biden is a child molester coz QAnon whispered in his side orifice ● Nov 22 [19:01] schestowitz >> Even after Microsoft took over. [19:01] schestowitz > [19:01] schestowitz > There's an old saying: Stallman's freedom ends where corporate bribery [19:01] schestowitz > and corruption begins. [19:01] schestowitz vZS1: figosdev: [19:01] schestowitz > There isn't some way for vZS1 to setup a burner email or something so I [19:01] schestowitz > can reach him is there? [19:01] schestowitz > [19:01] schestowitz > Perhaps you could ask him for me? 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*beckett.freenode.net gives channel operator status to ChanServ [20:39] *obarun (~obarun@host-115-126-165-174.fibre.nautile.nc) has joined #techrights [20:41] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: These are meant for someone who weighs like 400 pounds apparently. [20:46] DaemonFC[m] Those Hanes masks fit a lot better. [20:49] DaemonFC[m] These Netflix ratings are ridiculous. [20:49] DaemonFC[m] "Warning: Smoking!" [20:52] DaemonFC[m] Masks say one size fits most. [20:52] DaemonFC[m] Hmm, apparently except those of us who are still vaguely human shapes. [20:52] DaemonFC[m] *shaped [20:53] *rianne_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [20:53] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● Nov 22 [21:03] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:26] *zjmc_ (~jmc@162.219.176.3) has left #techrights [21:39] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [21:51] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [21:52] *vZS1 (~vZS1@92.40.184.156.threembb.co.uk) has joined #techrights ● Nov 22 [22:12] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Th California governor French Laundry restaurant scandal is pretty funny. [22:12] DaemonFC[m] They're telling us stay in our houses while they do things like this. [22:26] *willyg_cos has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [22:29] *willyg_cos (~joeuser@193.37.254.131) has joined #techrights [22:45] schestowitz happened here also [22:46] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ardour 6.4 Free Digital Audio Workstation Released with Support for VST3 Plugins http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144642 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ff097c12-8c28-4d01-9ddd-c1312b748b83] ● Nov 22 [23:20] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [23:23] *vZS1 (~vZS1@92.40.171.154.threembb.co.uk) has joined #techrights [23:24] *rianne_ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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