●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 ●● ● Mar 24 [00:00] techrights-bot Concern trolls: we try to save the FSF from doing what the FSF stands for [00:00] *mmu_man has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [00:01] techrights-bot List of #mozilla #firefox volunteers is getting shorter each year https://blog.mozilla.org/community/2021/03/22/contributors-to-firefox-87/ maybe it's not exactly helping that Mozilla made strategic mistakes on many fronts [00:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Contributors To Firefox 87 about:community [00:03] techrights-bot #Firefox 87 Released with #SmartBlock to Less Breakage in Private Browsing http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149086#comment-28750 [00:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla Firefox 87 Is Now Available for Download, Heres Whats New | Tux Machines [00:06] techrights-bot The re-appointment or RMS at the FSF seems to have enraged or angered many of the people you'd expect to.... if RMS was truly effective a voice against #proprietarySoftware #Surveillance and #monopolies [00:06] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149140 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [00:08] techrights-bot When in comes to RMS, we the #freesw community will always win the argument because the facts are on our side and there's many of us (the voice of the rich minority has only the illusion of magnitude). Revolt of the oligarchs; Their lies discredit themselves, e.g. http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/the-fake-door-sign/ [00:10] *mmu_man (~revol@82-65-227-82.subs.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [00:13] techrights-bot The DDOS attacks on #tuxmachines (on and off) have gone on for nearly 2 months now... and sometimes they nearly cause data loss. Nearly, not quite. We've grown more robust over the years with better monitoring and more failsafe mechanisms. [00:13] techrights-bot Best Linux Laptops That You Can Buy For Home and Office Usage http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149141 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Linux Laptops That You Can Buy For Home and Office Usage | Tux Machines [00:16] techrights-bot #Mesa 21.1 Will Aim To Be Out By Mid-May - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Mesa-21.1-Release-Calendar #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | Direct: https://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=b992b38de6d0f32348d02f96dd9a46197e400be6 [00:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mesa 21.1 Will Aim To Be Out By Mid-May - Phoronix [00:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cgit.freedesktop.org | mesa/mesa - The Mesa 3D Graphics Library (mirrored from https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa) [00:16] techrights-bot #Mesa Could Fork Older "Classic" Display Drivers Out To A Separate "Mesa Classic-LTS" Branch - LinuxReviews https://linuxreviews.org/Mesa_Could_Fork_Older_%22Classic%22_Display_Drivers_Out_To_A_Separate_%22Mesa_Classic-LTS%22_Branch #LinuxReviews #GNU #Linux [00:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxreviews.org | Mesa Could Fork Older "Classic" Display Drivers Out To A Separate "Mesa Classic-LTS" Branch - LinuxReviews [00:17] techrights-bot Proposal Raised For Dropping Mesa's Classic #OpenGL Drivers From Mainline This Year - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=2021-Retire-Mesa-Classic-Main #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/24/#latest [00:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Proposal Raised For Dropping Mesa's Classic OpenGL Drivers From Mainline This Year - Phoronix [00:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [00:18] techrights-bot Alejandro Pieiro: Improving #v3dv pipeline caching https://blogs.igalia.com/apinheiro/2021/03/improving-v3dv-pipeline-caching/ [00:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.igalia.com | Improving v3dv pipeline caching infapi00 [00:21] techrights-bot Contributors To #Firefox 87 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149086#comment-28751 #mozilla #www [00:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla Firefox 87 Is Now Available for Download, Heres Whats New | Tux Machines [00:26] techrights-bot Who tells you to install #EDGE on #gnu #linux (and give Microsoft ROOT access)? #microsoft sites and Microsoft boosters. So you know who stands to benefit from all this latest Googlebombing... #proprietarySoftware [00:28] *techrights-ipfs has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [00:29] techrights-bot #Firefox 87 introduces #SmartBlock for Private Browsing http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149086#comment-28753 #mozilla misusing the "Smart" buzzword now... remember "AwesomeBar"? Is it now "SmartBar", too? [00:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla Firefox 87 Is Now Available for Download, Heres Whats New | Tux Machines [00:29] techrights-bot Linux Kernels Preliminary Rust Code Seeing 64-bit POWER Support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149143 #Kernel #Linux #TuxMachines http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ [00:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel's Preliminary Rust Code Seeing 64-bit POWER Support | Tux Machines [00:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights [00:30] techrights-bot #GNOME 3.38.5 Released with Support for Handling Monitor Changes During Screencasts http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149142 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME 3.38.5 Released with Support for Handling Monitor Changes During Screencasts | Tux Machines [00:31] techrights-bot Very, very worrying to see #theRegister putting #microsoftTim in charge of covering #gnu #linux ... his loyalties are darn obviously (and have been for over a decade!) http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/the-register-microsoft-pr/ [00:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fall of The Register | Techrights [00:32] techrights-bot Very, very worrying to see #theRegister putting #microsoftTim in charge of covering #gnu #linux ... his loyalties are darn obvious (and have been for over a decade!) http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/the-register-microsoft-pr/ [00:32] techrights-bot New #Debian Developers and Maintainers (January and February 2021) https://bits.debian.org/2021/03/new-developers-2021-02.html better numbers than in some previous months... #gnu #linux [00:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bits.debian.org | New Debian Developers and Maintainers (January and February 2021) - Bits from Debian [00:33] techrights-bot "I've been an active member of the #Fedora Respin SIG for a while now... and here is a Fedora Council meeting where the Fedora Respin SIG is discussed. Enjoy." https://www.montanalinux.org/video-fedora-respin-sig.html#hide-block-bartik-account-menu #ibm #redhat [00:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Video: Fedora Council Update: Respins SIG | MontanaLinux.org [00:34] techrights-bot #ibm #redhat won't make this for #centos https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/using-red-hats-support-tool-command-line-solve-real-world-problems [00:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Using Red Hat's support tool at the command line to solve real-world problems [00:35] techrights-bot #Ubuntu Figuring Out Whether To #FSCK Its File-Systems At Boot - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-FSCK-Boot-Q #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux [00:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ubuntu Figuring Out Whether To FSCK Its File-Systems At Boot - Phoronix [00:35] MinceR "figuring out" -- do windows and mac os do it differently from each other? [00:36] techrights-bot #mozilla #proprietarySoftware hug: "If youd like to join, ping me on Discord or Zulip and Ill send you the Zoom link." https://planet.mozilla.org:4000/babysteps/blog/2021/03/22/async-vision-doc-writing-sessions/ [00:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Failed to connect to 2600:1f1c:471:9d01:124d:7554:732f:352b: Network is unreachable ( status 0 @ https://planet.mozilla.org:4000/babysteps/blog/2021/03/22/async-vision-doc-writing-sessions/ ) [00:37] techrights-bot #OSI today: we attack the #FSF to distract from our own profound failings. http://techrights.org/2021/03/21/leaderless-osi/ [00:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Open Source Initiative (OSI): A Boat Without a Captain | Techrights [00:38] techrights-bot #OSI today: we attack the #FSF to distract from our own profound failings. http://techrights.org/2021/03/21/leaderless-osi/ [00:40] techrights-bot Good to see #ibm #redhat backing #eclipse and #java instead of MSVS (proprietary) and .NET, GitHub etc. In this case at least... https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-joins-eclipse-adoptium-working-group [00:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Red Hat joins the Eclipse Adoptium Working Group [00:41] techrights-bot 3 new #Java tools to try in 2021 | https://opensource.com/article/21/3/enterprise-java-tools #FreeSW #RedHat #IBM #programming [00:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-3 new Java tools to try in 2021 | Opensource.com [00:43] techrights-bot The #microsoft Exchange fiasco is NOT over. Trillions of emails out there in the wrong hands, surely to be leveraged for national and industrial #espionage including blackmail. Microsoft: BLAME THE ASIANS!! http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/ [00:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and Five Eyes Collusion for Back Door Access) | Techrights [00:44] techrights-bot #Servers rebranded for #oursourcing to #Surveillance giants in an Empire/Network of #espionage https://ubuntu.com//blog/what-is-cloud-native [00:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What is cloud native? | Ubuntu [00:45] techrights-bot Where are the justice warriors when it comes to blasting #linuxfoundation for all the same things they accuse FSF or RMS of? Where are they? #monopolies are their allies... [00:47] techrights-bot That time that #Facebook made #Turkey happy https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/03/that-time-that-facebook-made-turkey-happy/ "Turkish government also asked Facebook to block posts from the Peoples Protection Units." [00:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | That time that Facebook made Turkey happy | Stop at Zona-M [00:48] techrights-bot More than 10.000 customized ISO image created by #FAIme https://blog.fai-project.org/posts/faime-10000/ #faiproject | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/24/#latest [00:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.fai-project.org | More than 10.000 customized ISO image created by FAIme [00:50] techrights-bot SANS: we are soooo secure... that you need to run our #proprietarySoftware #javascript just to access our site!! https://www.sans.org/security-awareness-training/blog/insights-6th-annual-sans-security-awareness-report-managing-human [00:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sans.org | NO TITLE [00:51] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [00:52] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [00:54] techrights-bot

[00:54] techrights-bot Simon Steinbei/ #Xfce : Post 4.16 fatigue and whats next http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149144 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Simon Steinbei/Xfce: Post 4.16 fatigue and whats next | Tux Machines [00:56] techrights-bot Tackling #patentTrolls with some bogus #swpats or #fakepatents https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/3/23/2500-for-prior-art-on-mcom-ip similar name to the likely biggest #patentTroll in #germany (IPCom) [00:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | $2,500 for prior art on mCom IP Unified Patents [00:57] techrights-bot Book ads disguised as 'reviews'? The same old #marketing ploy? Either way, #copyright maximalism is a subject that merits criticism and needs to be tackled. http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/03/book-review-cambridge-handbook-of.html [00:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Book review: The Cambridge Handbook of Copyright Limitations and Exceptions - The IPKat [00:59] techrights-bot Given the nature of the #internet and esp. the #www I'm surprised so many people still write in book form. Many reasons why it's not an effective and efficient means of information passage/delivery, unless one sells #drm or dead trees for a living... ● Mar 24 [01:00] techrights-bot #rustlang release notes outsourced to #microsoft #proprietarySoftware ... just like the meeting minutes and pretty much everything else. Microsoft is now in their Board. Rust is NOT what it may seem. https://blog.rust-lang.org/inside-rust/2021/03/23/1.51.0-prerelease.html [01:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.rust-lang.org | 1.51.0 pre-release testing | Inside Rust Blog [01:02] techrights-bot I used to think #rustlang was just temporarily and unwittingly stuck in #microsoft #proprietarySoftware until I was contacted by people who were censored by them for being critical of Microsoft http://techrights.org/2020/06/18/rusty-censorship/ [01:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Beware Mozilla and Rust, Theyre Not Friends of Free Software or Even of Free Speech | Techrights [01:03] techrights-bot How many wives of cops are murdered each year (by the spouse)? https://danielpocock.com/where-does-violence-against-women-originate/ [01:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-danielpocock.com | Where does violence against women originate? [01:05] techrights-bot Download #Manjaro Linux 21 Ornara with GNOME, Xfce, and #KDE Plasma now! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148984#comment-28754 #gnu #linux [01:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Manjaro 21.0 (rc1) Ornara released! | Tux Machines [01:10] techrights-bot Founders of the OSI defend RMS, but OSI does not. That's how you know #OSI had a coup and it's now run by people who front for #Monopolies that need #openwashing for their #proprietarySoftware cages. [01:12] techrights-bot #RichardStallman Announcing His Return To The FSFs Board Of Directors http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149083#comment-28755 #billgates and #microsoft sponsored 'journalism' already lies about him again: http://techrights.org/2021/03/23/still-libeling-rms/ [01:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good News! Richard Stallman is Back at Free Software Foundation | Tux Machines [01:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft-Connected (and Funded) Sites Still Distort What Happened and What Richard Stallman Actually Said | Techrights [01:12] techrights-bot #WinEnterprises and #Chipsee Take on #RaspberryPi CM4 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149145 #GNU #Linux [01:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Win Enterprises and Chipsee Take on Raspberry Pi CM4 | Tux Machines [01:12] *tr_guest|91325 (2d48de61@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.45.72.222.97) has joined #techrights [01:15] *brendyyn (~brendyyn@124-169-144-234.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #techrights [01:15] *tr_guest|91325 is now known as ausername [01:16] techrights-bot Made in Thailand #CorgiDude RISC-V AI board aims to teach machine learning https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/03/23/made-in-thailand-corgidude-risc-v-ai-board-aims-to-teach-machine-learning/ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware [01:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Made in Thailand CorgiDude RISC-V AI board aims to teach machine learning [01:21] techrights-bot #RichardStallman Is Finally Back In The #FSF http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149083#comment-28757 [01:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good News! Richard Stallman is Back at Free Software Foundation | Tux Machines [01:23] *ausername has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [01:24] techrights-bot #techrights featured in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3DvU1rSNVg [01:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Richard Stallman Is Finally Back In The FSF - YouTube [01:24] techrights-bot #microsoft booster JON BRODKIN having a SECOND go trying to remove RMS and destroy the FSF. Showing who's (at least partly) in charge of this. http://techrights.org/2021/03/23/still-libeling-rms/ [01:25] *ausername (2d48de61@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.45.72.222.97) has joined #techrights [01:25] *ausername has quit (Client Quit) [01:27] techrights-bot Welcome SmartBlock: Script Surrogates for the masses! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149086#comment-28758 #mozilla #firefox [01:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla Firefox 87 Is Now Available for Download, Heres Whats New | Tux Machines [01:31] *techrights-ipfs (~techright@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:c7f2:e919:b6dc:6252) has joined #techrights [01:37] techrights-bot #Games : Half-Life, Forgotten Fields, Derelict Void, and Wine 5.0.x http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149146 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #Gaming [01:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Half-Life, Forgotten Fields, Derelict Void, and Wine 5.0.x | Tux Machines [01:38] techrights-bot Oh. Wow. Same people who tried to CANCEL Torvalds also try to remove RMS now. Says soooo much to me. I mean, the people who set up the petition and all. Live and learn: http://techrights.org/2020/09/03/linus-debconf-linusgate/ [01:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linusgate Leaked: Over 250 Messages About Code of Conduct Complaints Against Linus Torvalds | Techrights [01:40] *DVulgaris has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [01:41] techrights-bot If you work for a #proprietarySoftware company and set up an anti-RMS petition in a proprietary trap of #microsoft ... maybe your petition is already somewhat self-defeating. We know YOU DO NOT SUPPORT #freesw ! It's an enemy to you. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149083#comment-28760 [01:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good News! Richard Stallman is Back at Free Software Foundation | Tux Machines [01:42] techrights-bot Rename #linuxfoundation ... the anti-Software Freedom Foundation. We hijack #freesw and outsource it to #microsoft #proprietarySoftware #monopoly [01:44] techrights-bot Now they're putting #Surveillance inside your food!!!!!! https://www.iottechtrends.com/heatbox-portable-wireless-smart-self-heating-lunchbox/ [01:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iottechtrends.com | Heatbox: A Portable, Wireless, Smart, Self-Heating Lunchbox - IoT Tech Trends [01:45] techrights-bot Don't let racist #ibm lecture #fsf on tolerance http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/hypocritical-ibm-red-hat/ [01:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM (Red Hat) Lectured FSF That It Needed More Diversity, But Was It Looking at the Mirror? IBM and Red Hat Are Even Less Diverse. | Techrights [01:48] techrights-bot "TL:DR; lost half my mail (150,000 messages, ~6GB) last night. Cause uncertain, but possibly a combination of a dead CMOS battery, systemd OnCalendar=daily, a (locking?) bug in syncmaildir, and generally, a system too exotic and complicated." https://anarc.at/blog/2021-03-22-email-crash/ [01:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-anarc.at | Major email crash with syncmaildir - anarcat [01:49] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149147 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [01:50] *schestowitz gives voice to techrights-ipfs [01:50] schestowitz MinceR: nope [01:51] MinceR then i don't see how it's difficult for n00buntu people to decide :> [01:51] MinceR or rather, what to command the debian people to do [01:55] *DVulgaris (~quassel@185.108.81.14) has joined #techrights [01:55] techrights-bot Brodie Robertson: #RichardStallman Is Finally Back In The FSF http://techrights.org/2021/03/23/brodie-robertson-on-rms/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/23/brodie-robertson-on-rms/ [01:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Brodie Robertson: Richard Stallman Is Finally Back In The FSF | Techrights [01:57] *MinceR gives voice to DVulgaris [01:57] *MinceR gives voice to GNUmoon2 [01:57] techrights-bot #microsoft propaganda site 6 hours ago: "Microsoft showed some Linux love" by compiling malware for it... to urge people to let Microsoft remotely control #gnu #linux boxes using repos and keys! Who are those people kidding? Only themselves. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EDGI [01:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EDGI - Techrights [01:58] schestowitz MinceR: ha [01:59] techrights-bot When #microsoft boosters speak about "Linux" and "love" they're like people staring at the menu at a restaurant. "WHAT SHOULD I EAT TODAY?" ● Mar 24 [02:01] techrights-bot #Univention 5.0-0-rc0 is out, based on #debian #gnu #linux and coming from #germany to help businesses [02:01] techrights-bot #SMEServer 10.0-rc1 has also just come out. http://www.smeserver.org/ it's based on #fedora of #centos [02:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.contribs.org | SME Server [02:03] techrights-bot Beware #monopolies and imperialistic back doors disguised as "manners" http://techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/ [02:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Professional Troll Matthew Garrett Spreads Libel, Defamation and Slander About the Free Software Community to Entertain Microsoft and Friends | Techrights [02:07] techrights-bot #Xfce 4.18 Planning Begins With An Eye On #Wayland Application Support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149144#comment-28762 [02:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Simon Steinbei/Xfce: Post 4.16 fatigue and whats next | Tux Machines [02:08] techrights-bot #Graphics : #Mesa , #V3DV , and #ROCm http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149148 #TuxMachines [02:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics: Mesa, V3DV, and ROCm | Tux Machines [02:08] *koo5 has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [02:10] schestowitz https://twitter.com/jamesxv7/status/1374538368910909441 [02:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jamesxv7: @gcollazo https://t.co/d4zNCi8VzM Pica y se extiende [02:10] *tr_guest|46232 (2fc0c409@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.47.192.196.9) has joined #techrights [02:12] *tr_guest|46232 has quit (Client Quit) [02:12] techrights-bot Old: Balancing liberties, #privacy , and accessibility https://ariadacapo.net/blog/2020-04-05-balancing-liberties-privacy-and-accessibility/ [02:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Balancing liberties, privacy, and accessibility | ariadacapo.net [02:13] techrights-bot Remind-Ino is an alarm clock for everything - Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/03/23/remind-ino-is-an-alarm-clock-for-everything/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking [02:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | Remind-Ino is an alarm clock for everything - Arduino Blog [02:14] DaemonFC[m] Garrett tried PMing me that RMS supports child porn and thinks it should be legal, and then linked to a "political note" where RMS says making and possessing it should be illegal. [02:14] techrights-bot Of course #microsoft -funded media now amplifies attempts to cancel RMS while 100% ignoring ALL voices in favour of RMS. Not even hiding their agenda (and sponsors' agenda) anymore. http://techrights.org/2021/03/23/still-libeling-rms/ [02:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft-Connected (and Funded) Sites Still Distort What Happened and What Richard Stallman Actually Said | Techrights [02:15] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: he did the same to me [02:15] schestowitz he's a troll [02:15] schestowitz and he uses loaded questions [02:15] schestowitz ignore the troll [02:15] schestowitz [06:27] schestowitz: You've written at length about one of Bill Gates's employees being arrested for posessing child pornography. You're aware that RMS believes that, while manufacturing such pictures should be illegal, possession should be legal. Do you agree with him? [02:15] schestowitz [07:26] did you stop beating up your wife, mjg59? [02:16] DaemonFC[m] The case was where a person depicted a drawing, not an actual image. [02:16] schestowitz never mind the question [02:16] schestowitz it's an entrapment for trolling [02:16] DaemonFC[m] Then you leave that up to prosecutors and they'll try to make the case that anything "might" be that. [02:17] DaemonFC[m] Therefore, crime. [02:17] schestowitz this loser is trying to elevate his ego or please his "MASTERS" by canceling voices for freesw [02:17] DaemonFC[m] It just gives them something easy to pad their conviction rates going into an election. [02:17] schestowitz anyway, ignore [02:17] schestowitz back on topic now [02:18] schestowitz We have some EPO stuff to publush [02:18] schestowitz turns out, political interest grows [02:18] schestowitz it's a major blunder [02:18] schestowitz the media pretends nothing is happening [02:18] schestowitz a lot of it got bribed by EOI [02:18] schestowitz *EPO [02:18] DaemonFC[m] Garrett has done plenty to trap people on operating systems that scan your entire disk and report the contents to Microsoft, regardless of what it is. [02:19] schestowitz the goal is to get us to talk about hard topics [02:19] schestowitz so he can quote us out of context [02:19] schestowitz ignore [02:19] schestowitz moving on.. [02:20] DaemonFC[m] So what's the point of allowing him to be here? [02:20] DaemonFC[m] He's sending me unsolicited PMs about stuff I don't even want to think about. [02:21] DaemonFC[m] I just added him to my ignore list. [02:21] techrights-bot In Planet Debian right now there's one person who wants to cancel the whole FSF. Makes you wonder about who #debian associates with... http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149083#comment-28763 [02:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good News! Richard Stallman is Back at Free Software Foundation | Tux Machines [02:22] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [02:22] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: it's a troll [02:22] schestowitz this is what trolls specialise in [02:23] techrights-bot The #google troll is now pestering and sending unsolicited trap questions to #techrighrs people. Shame on Google and #redhat for giving salaries to losers and trolls who attack our #security and attack #freesw http://techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/ [02:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Professional Troll Matthew Garrett Spreads Libel, Defamation and Slander About the Free Software Community to Entertain Microsoft and Friends | Techrights [02:24] schestowitz ^ [02:25] schestowitz Anybody else here contacted privately by the mjg59 troll? Let me know... [02:25] schestowitz We might even do an article about it [02:26] techrights-bot As it turns out, the people obsessed with child porn are actually those trying to cancel RMS [02:28] techrights-bot The community of #freesw is under a major attack by #microsoft -funded media and people who work for #monopolies putting #backdoors in everything. It's no ordinary attack and we know what their demands are. [02:29] techrights-bot A new video about the return of #RMS to the #FSF http://techrights.org/2021/03/23/brodie-robertson-on-rms/ #Techrights #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/23/brodie-robertson-on-rms/ [02:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Brodie Robertson: Richard Stallman Is Finally Back In The FSF | Techrights [02:30] techrights-bot Don't lecture people on ethics and morality if you bomb people for a living. http://techrights.org/2020/06/24/freedom-of-speech/ [02:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Lets Ban Bombings, Not Words (Corporations Taking Away Peoples Freedom of Speech So They Can Bomb in Peace) | Techrights [02:32] techrights-bot "For those who still havent heard: tmt is now fully-supported in Packit, Fedora Continuous Integration (CI) system, and the RHEL CI system." https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/tmt-hints-basic-test/ [02:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | tmt hints: create a basic test Fedora Community Blog [02:33] techrights-bot Julita Inca Chiroque: #GNOMELatam 2021 https://lleksah.wordpress.com/2021/03/23/gnome-latam-2021/ #freesw #latam #gnu #linux [02:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lleksah.wordpress.com | GNOME Latam 2021 | Slo para M! 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This online event will feature four talks on interesting topics related to Node.js Core, along with exciting workshop options." https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2021/03/23/whats-coming-for-node-js-developers-at-nearform-event/ [02:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.redhat.com | What's coming for Node.js developers at NearForm event - Red Hat Developer [02:56] techrights-bot Affordable high-temperature #3Dprinters at home | https://opensource.com/article/21/3/desktop-3d-printer #3dprinting #RedHat #IBM [02:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Affordable high-temperature 3D printers at home | Opensource.com [02:57] techrights-bot Some people will only ever like the FSF like #microsoft "loves" #linux ... dead or under their total control. [02:58] techrights-bot #Fedora and IBM/Red Hat Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149149 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora and IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines [02:58] techrights-bot #Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149150 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines ● Mar 24 [03:01] techrights-bot If you see a firm referring to itself as "open" watch out as nowadays it typically just means #proprietarySoftware or #clownComputing (you're their digital slave), but these companies thinly disguise all these risks with #openwashing (code samples in proprietary ShitHub or "we leverage some OSS") [03:01] techrights-ipfs IPFS local node stats TotalIn: 6.6 MB TotalOut: 2.0 MB [03:01] techrights-ipfs New bulletin just generated and added to IPFS with CID: [03:02] techrights-ipfs QmdquhaPfSFCNiLgWpAfp5btpG4xZqsEDiYTUJWmRYbRCb [03:03] techrights-bot A bunch of clowns at #idg propping up #clowncomputing and downplaying the endless issues (while naming just some of them) https://www.infoworld.com/article/3612230/7-common-cloud-problems-and-how-to-fix-them.html media in the pockets of surveillance companies bamboozles people into this... [03:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-7 common cloud problems and how to fix them | InfoWorld [03:04] techrights-bot "WHY BUY A SERVER WHEN YOU HAVE AWS?" Say people who might say, "why have a bathroom at home when you can use public toilets instead?" [03:07] techrights-bot So many lessons learned from #boycottnovell days about corporate tactics for silencing their critics and dissent in general. They'll NEVER stop trying. Do not become their "useful idiots" (they have PR firms to do this for them) http://techrights.org/2019/04/14/ronald-hovsepian-vs-techrights/ [03:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Poor (Multi-Millionaire) Novell CEO, Who Colluded With Steve Ballmer Against GNU/Linux, is Trying to Censor Techrights | Techrights [03:10] techrights-bot Based on what I see in the media, the anti-RMS becomes as close as it gets to the "MICROSOFT-ENDORSED" action. [03:16] techrights-bot #Canonical / #Ubuntu Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149152 #freesw [03:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical/Ubuntu Leftovers | Tux Machines [03:16] techrights-bot #Debian Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149151 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [03:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian Leftovers | Tux Machines [03:19] techrights-bot "Breton says EU does not need Sputnik vaccine. Breton is a criminal" -Anon mail to me https://fr.euronews.com/2021/03/22/spoutnik-v-nous-ne-forcons-personne-insiste-vladimir-poutine-qui-denonce-le-lobbying-de-l- see our series about his history of crime: http://techrights.org/2020/03/11/looking-back-at-breton-or-breton-series-epilogue/ [03:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fr.euronews.com | Spoutnik V : "Nous ne forons personne", insiste Vladimir Poutine qui dnonce le lobbying de l'UE | Euronews [03:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Understanding Thierry Breton: Looking Back | Techrights [03:20] CrystalMath schestowitz: the pro-RMS camp and the anti-RMS camp had a little argument today on #fsf [03:21] CrystalMath the IRC channel, not a hashtag [03:23] schestowitz I see... [03:23] schestowitz well, IRC has become too vulnerable to troll [03:23] schestowitz when I say "troll" I have a definition in mind [03:23] schestowitz I observe this SUPER-closely this week. You can find updates in IRC/Diaspora/other and a more moderate tone in Techrights posts. Gemini/IPFS have IRC logs too. [03:24] schestowitz It's not pretty, but RMS will get through this. We need to be AS LOUD as those trolls. They try to pester us in IRC now. They = Garrett mostly. [03:24] schestowitz Why did the FSF give an award to him? And Deb (OSI)? And Kuhn? They attack the FSF's founder. Kuhn has just been cited in Planet Debian: https://spwhitton.name//blog/entry/rmsopenletter/ [03:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-spwhitton.name | rmsopenletter [03:24] schestowitz For the first time in a year today... I check email several times per day [03:24] schestowitz CrystalMath: we're winning the argument [03:24] schestowitz there are FEW of them [03:24] schestowitz they're just loud and backed by malicious media companies [03:24] schestowitz like Condy Nasry [03:24] schestowitz Ars, Reddit etc. [03:25] schestowitz that media digs its own grave [03:25] schestowitz some will refrain from writing about it [03:25] schestowitz for fear of much-deserved backlash [03:25] CrystalMath well they do have some signatures on their open letter [03:25] schestowitz and then it'll get all calm again [03:25] schestowitz and RMS will get back to work [03:25] CrystalMath their letter now targets the entire FSF board, btw, not stallman [03:26] schestowitz CrystalMath: tell me when they get a million sigs [03:26] CrystalMath they're asking for the entire board to resign [03:26] CrystalMath lol no [03:26] schestowitz yes, they sound irrational [03:26] schestowitz they basically say, kill the FSF [03:26] CrystalMath all they have is debian soydev idiots [03:26] schestowitz like Sarah Mei did [03:26] CrystalMath that's why i am EMBARASSED to have ever used debian [03:26] schestowitz while taking salaries from binary blog oligarchs [03:26] schestowitz *blob [03:26] CrystalMath or ever endorsed it, yuck [03:27] schestowitz I saw just one Debian person, maybe 2 [03:27] schestowitz Ian and the above [03:27] CrystalMath debian is the most disgusting project alive, a hotbed of these fascist creeps who want impoliteness to be punished with capital punishment [03:27] schestowitz (spwhitton) [03:27] CrystalMath Stefano Zacchieroli was there [03:27] CrystalMath hold on, let me link the list [03:27] schestowitz zini probably too [03:27] schestowitz stefano is OSI [03:27] schestowitz more so then Debian [03:27] schestowitz OSI is dead [03:28] schestowitz not it's like a suicide vest-strapped fodder [03:28] CrystalMath https://rms-open-letter.github.io/ [03:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rms-open-letter.github.io [03:28] schestowitz one last scream and explosion [03:28] schestowitz *now [03:28] schestowitz why shithub? [03:28] CrystalMath mjg59 is there, disgusting and disappointing [03:28] schestowitz it's controlled by Microsoft [03:28] schestowitz they also spy on it [03:28] CrystalMath i really thought he makes some sense [03:28] schestowitz mjg59 is trolling us [03:28] schestowitz by PMing people [03:28] schestowitz and baiting [03:28] schestowitz he's a subculture loser [03:29] schestowitz ignore him [03:29] schestowitz if someone here was privately contacted by this creep, let me know [03:29] schestowitz in person or in public [03:29] CrystalMath i see mostly OSI, debian, and GNOME people in the list [03:29] schestowitz makes sense [03:29] schestowitz consider who funds them LOL [03:29] schestowitz I could give a listing [03:29] CrystalMath Luis Villa that retard is there [03:30] schestowitz and then you consider all their targets [03:30] CrystalMath i hate that guy's guts [03:30] schestowitz who to "cancel" [03:30] schestowitz Luis is a friend of Mac Asay [03:30] schestowitz the boot licker of Bezos npw [03:30] schestowitz they swin neat the sharks [03:30] CrystalMath i talked to him, he's a real piece of garbage [03:30] schestowitz *swim [03:30] schestowitz they can taste the blood [03:30] schestowitz or the money [03:30] schestowitz like mjg59 [03:30] schestowitz swimming near EMpire [03:31] schestowitz companies that undermine security [03:31] schestowitz THAT'S where the money is [03:31] schestowitz military budget and al [03:31] CrystalMath i also see some pirate party members there [03:31] schestowitz there's barely any money in FS [03:31] schestowitz esp. not in advocacy of it [03:31] CrystalMath most likely Bjarni Runnarson as well [03:31] schestowitz which pirate party? [03:31] schestowitz don't forget [03:31] CrystalMath swedish [03:31] schestowitz Pirate Party was created by MICROSOFT [03:31] schestowitz employee [03:31] schestowitz Rick [03:31] CrystalMath Bjarni is icelandic [03:31] schestowitz He came from Microsoft [03:31] schestowitz Still [03:31] CrystalMath but i know Bjarni is this kind of moron [03:32] schestowitz Pirate Party Sweden (original) has Microsoft roots [03:32] CrystalMath he's just not on the list for some reason [03:32] schestowitz there are many other pirate parties now [03:32] schestowitz the one in germany is OK [03:32] CrystalMath i'm fairly sure he would sign it, because he's exactly *this* brand of moron [03:32] schestowitz Patrick Breyer for example [03:32] schestowitz they promote gnu/linux [03:32] schestowitz LOL Molly de Blanc [03:33] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/01/12/gnome-foundation-rms/ [03:33] schestowitz What does she care? [03:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GNOME Foundation is Still Participating in the Attack on Richard Stallman | Techrights [03:33] schestowitz Never wrote a single line of code [03:33] schestowitz and cannot [03:33] schestowitz based on her Microsoft profile [03:33] schestowitz Those are few sigs [03:33] schestowitz a couple hundreds out of millions of FreeSW devs [03:33] schestowitz The 0.01% [03:33] schestowitz on a Microsoft platform [03:34] CrystalMath Ian "N-word-sayer" Jackson [03:34] CrystalMath is also on the list [03:35] techrights-bot "We are the 0.01%!! We want the FSF to self-disband" -- #Microsoft #GitHub petition. The 99.91% of us who won't sign it are OK with RMS in the FSF. [03:36] schestowitz oops [03:36] schestowitz should have said 99.99% [03:36] schestowitz never mind [03:36] schestowitz maybe 0.08 abstains :-) [03:36] schestowitz "not sure, need more info" [03:37] techrights-bot "Yes, women can be greybeards too. Really. Doesnt require actual facial hair." https://medium.com/geekculture/twenty-years-of-geek-girl-ing-c4626d8483c9 [03:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Twenty Years of Geek Girl-ing. Weve come a long way, baby. | by Sadie Morghan | Geek Culture | Mar, 2021 | Medium [03:37] *brendyyn has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [03:38] techrights-bot "Who wouldnt want a live preview for writing their great content? If you happen to be running Rails with Hotwire, its surprisingly easy with a small Stimulus controller." https://nts.strzibny.name/rails-stimulus-live-preview/ [03:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nts.strzibny.name | Live previews with Rails and Stimulus 2 [03:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 29.58 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 61.38 swarm size (avg): 153.21 [03:39] CrystalMath schestowitz: oh, and some signatures are literally from Google [03:39] CrystalMath and Mozilla [03:39] techrights-bot Most of the people out there view developers in terms of their work, their code, their history (professional), not gender or race. Those obsessing over the latter aspects are less interested in the doing and more in other aspects. [03:40] schestowitz dibona? [03:40] schestowitz CrystalMath: yes, that's to be expected [03:40] CrystalMath yes [03:40] schestowitz considering what "talent" they look for [03:40] schestowitz and who they eject [03:40] schestowitz Mozilla already got rid of people who might support RMS [03:40] schestowitz there's an influx of non-technical puff [03:41] CrystalMath also the X.org foundation [03:41] CrystalMath that's kinda sad to hear, i had *some* respect for those people [03:41] schestowitz but how many of them? [03:41] schestowitz there are many there [03:41] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/09/18/keith-packard-on-rms/ [03:41] CrystalMath the entire X.org foundation has one signature [03:41] schestowitz they never had it easy with RMS [03:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Resolving timed out after 10521 milliseconds ( status 0 @ http://techrights.org/2020/09/18/keith-packard-on-rms/ ) [03:42] schestowitz instead, let's focus on who is NOT on there [03:42] CrystalMath this is why i should switch to XFree86 [03:42] CrystalMath cancel X.org [03:42] schestowitz CrystalMath: well, that might be one person [03:42] schestowitz GNOME Foundation misrepresented some GNOME devs re RMS [03:42] schestowitz and some had the courage to speak out against that [03:42] CrystalMath X.org Foundation Board of Directors (Lyude Paul, Eric Anholt, Mark Filion, Keith Packard, Daniel Vetter, Harry Wentland, Samuel Iglesias Gonslvez) [03:42] CrystalMath this is the entry [03:43] techrights-bot Keith Packard: #RichardStallman Was Right (About the GPL) http://techrights.org/2020/09/18/keith-packard-on-rms/ #GPL #copyleft #freesw #freedom [03:43] CrystalMath i wonder if they were not put in there by their will [03:43] schestowitz maybe not [03:43] schestowitz at BEST, a small committe [03:44] schestowitz at BEST, a small committee passing a few emails back and forth [03:44] schestowitz they didn't ask all members [03:44] schestowitz and dissent would be frowned upon [03:44] schestowitz how many of them are IBM staff? [03:44] schestowitz or Intel? [03:44] schestowitz X doesn't exist in a vacuum [03:44] schestowitz these people have employers [03:45] schestowitz CrystalMath: given this http://techrights.org/2020/06/05/guix-petition/ it might be useful to map all those who get their salary from IBM [03:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Guix Petition Demographic Data, by Figosdev | Techrights [03:45] schestowitz It takes some work, but when you can show a third are paid by the same company it's kind of significant [03:48] CrystalMath there's some EFF people but they noted that they're signing as individuals not on behalf of the EFF [03:49] schestowitz lol EFF [03:49] schestowitz what are they these days/ [03:49] schestowitz giving awards to microsoft and bagging google money [03:49] schestowitz which EFF workers? [03:49] schestowitz I can guess... [03:49] schestowitz Nazer [03:50] schestowitz now Mozilla, former EFF [03:50] schestowitz Jilian York there? [03:50] schestowitz many of them don't care about freeSW [03:50] schestowitz they use Macs [03:50] schestowitz and Mac stuff... proprietary [03:50] schestowitz like meat eaters signing a petition in some vegan thing.... or PETA [03:51] CrystalMath no York [03:51] techrights-bot How to Beat Coder's Block Five Tips to Help You Stay Productive https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/how-to-beat-coders-block-and-stay-productive/ #programming [03:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freecodecamp.org | How to Beat Coder's Block Five Tips to Help You Stay Productive [03:53] techrights-bot A lot of people correctly recognise that the attack on RMS is an attack on #freesw itself (they'd coyly deny that) and a threat to any opinionated programmer, who is proactively cautioned by the mob... to play along or be "canceled" [03:55] techrights-bot #cancelRMS = Revolt of the #monopolies (and those salaried by them) + some "useful idiots" who get carried away by distortion of the truth and look for a scapegoat http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/the-fake-door-sign/ [03:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fake Door Sign Used to Frame Richard Stallman and Misrepresent Him One Year Ago (the Media Never Corrected This Slanderous Allegation) | Techrights [03:55] techrights-bot Previous anti-RMS petitions were ONE THIRD #IBM staff http://techrights.org/2020/06/05/guix-petition/ [03:57] techrights-bot #surveillance #monopolies are currently (at least partly) funded by the US military. HUGE budget, bankrupts everybody. Given the state of their nation, those subsidies (looting/theft) might not last for much longer... [03:58] techrights-bot Subject Verb Object notation; declarative Perl without the framework http://blogs.perl.org/users/jesse_shy/2021/03/subject-verb-object-notation-declarative-perl-without-the-framework.html #perl #programming [03:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Subject Verb Object notation; declarative Perl without the framework | Jesse Shy [blogs.perl.org] ● Mar 24 [04:00] techrights-bot We already have "asset trackers" for humans too; they're called 'phones' and many people charge them every day; :D https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/03/23/mictrack-mt700-cat-m1-nb-iot-gps-tracker-long-battery-life/ [04:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | MicTrack MT700 Cat M1 & NB-IoT GPS tracker promises up to 8 years of battery life [04:02] techrights-bot 4 months ago/Just-Released Footage of Dr. Richard Stallman (RMS): Open Source People Treated Me Like Shit http://techrights.org/2020/11/12/2001-rms-opens-up/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/11/12/2001-rms-opens-up/ [04:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Just-Released Footage of Dr. Richard Stallman (RMS): Open Source People Treated Me Like Shit | Techrights [04:03] schestowitz https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/linux-on-oracle-cloud-infrastructure%3A-managing-security-and-access-to-your-cloud-made-easy-with-short-training-videos [04:03] schestowitz clown [04:05] techrights-bot "Apparently there are people talking about self-hosting their git repositories. There are multiple variations on this as seen elsewhere. There remains the option of using Gitea as well. No, I am not thinking of abandoning my git repos on Launchpad at this time." http://coyote.works//taking-stock-in-late-march-2021.html [04:05] techrights-bot #oracle 1990s: we do DBs. Oracle 2020-21: we do clown. https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/linux-on-oracle-cloud-infrastructure%3A-managing-security-and-access-to-your-cloud-made-easy-with-short-training-videos http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Oracle [04:06] *TechrightsBot-tr has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [04:07] techrights-bot The so-called 'petition' against RMS (a #microsoft -hosted joke signed by a tiny fraction of the #freesw world and some people who use MACS! / Windows) isn't quite a petition but a clear-cut case of #BLACKMAIL against the FSF. Don't negotiate with bullies (thinly disguised as "manners"). [04:08] *TechrightsBot-tr (~TR@techrights.org) has joined #techrights [04:08] *schestowitz gives voice to TechrightsBot-tr [04:08] CrystalMath it's just the fashlist [04:08] CrystalMath that's how i'll call it [04:08] schestowitz fash? [04:08] schestowitz as in fac? [04:08] CrystalMath fascist [04:08] CrystalMath yeah [04:08] schestowitz wrong label [04:08] schestowitz they're not fascist [04:09] CrystalMath they kinda are IMO [04:09] schestowitz that reminds me of words like feminazi [04:09] schestowitz or words that compare women to fascist [04:09] schestowitz it's the wrong label [04:09] CrystalMath bkuhn is a SWERF, i called him out on it today [04:09] CrystalMath he put me on ignore :P [04:09] schestowitz Maybe follows this logic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asZ1R-Xylj4 [04:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-George Carlin Political Correctness is fascism pretending to be Manners (archived mirrored vid) - YouTube [04:09] CrystalMath yes [04:10] CrystalMath i mean it's absolutely true, but to me personally, everyone who believes in strictly following ANY rule set is a fascist [04:10] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/12/04/sfc-not-about-freedom/ [04:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) is Not About Freedom | Techrights [04:10] CrystalMath like Michael Downey there [04:10] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/02/08/fosdem-ibm-gag/ [04:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | FOSDEM and Free Speech: Will It Blend? | Techrights [04:10] CrystalMath in the fashlist [04:10] CrystalMath he signed it because: [04:10] CrystalMath you won't believe it [04:10] schestowitz SFC is dead to me [04:10] MinceR what if the rule set consists of the rule "do not believe in strictly follow any rule set"? :> [04:10] CrystalMath RMS told him a dirty joke at a libreplanet once [04:11] schestowitz no idea why FSF gave kuhn an award [04:11] MinceR s/low/lowing/ [04:11] schestowitz I've asked them [04:11] schestowitz will share the reply [04:11] CrystalMath MinceR: then you should only strictly follow that specific rule and be even weaker on the others [04:11] schestowitz RMS does tell jokes [04:11] schestowitz I do too [04:11] schestowitz everyone does [04:11] CrystalMath yes but this joke had something about women in it [04:11] CrystalMath idk, Downey wouldn't repeat it [04:11] CrystalMath it must have been something really horrible, like a joke about blondes being dumb maybe [04:12] CrystalMath because everyone knows the world will explode if you tell a joke like that [04:12] schestowitz Not a joke: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/sex-trolling.png [04:12] MinceR maybe it would be preferable if the world exploded [04:12] schestowitz CrystalMath: they did that to Oliva [04:12] schestowitz some joke he made about blondes like decades ago as a student [04:12] schestowitz they use old dirt for leverage [04:12] schestowitz and blackmail [04:13] schestowitz to intimidate people [04:13] schestowitz resign or we'll show what you said [04:13] schestowitz NSA does that [04:13] schestowitz aldo FBI with conintelpro [04:13] CrystalMath Oliva explained to me why he resigned [04:13] CrystalMath i talked to him about it yesterday [04:13] schestowitz what did he say? [04:14] CrystalMath the rest of the board and voting members did not like that he publicly called out the FSF on things, things that were already decided (RMS coming back) being pushed faster [04:14] techrights-bot #Richard #Stallman video from 2001 was released earlier this week; in it, Stallman explains what the Open Source movement did to him just a few years earlier (and then theres some more stuff like his speech about DMCA and less related stuff in between because its raw and uncut) http://techrights.org/2020/11/12/2001-rms-opens-up/ [04:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Just-Released Footage of Dr. Richard Stallman (RMS): Open Source People Treated Me Like Shit | Techrights [04:14] CrystalMath they felt like he was threatening them, so they asked him to leave the board [04:14] CrystalMath he did leave the board, but he remains a voting member [04:14] CrystalMath the decision to reinstate stallman eventually is in fact VERY old, it's from 2019 [04:14] techrights-bot #Techrights Bulletin for Tuesday, March 23, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [04:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [04:14] techrights-bot #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [04:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [04:15] CrystalMath but Oliva still felt like calling out the FSF for letting it happen publicly [04:15] CrystalMath he himself is sorry for this [04:15] CrystalMath but he's happy being a voting member, keeping check on the FSF but without publically representing it [04:16] CrystalMath he also still leads FSFLA [04:16] schestowitz yeah, OK [04:16] schestowitz interesting that part about decision re him returning [04:16] schestowitz though I knew there was waiting for "the right time" [04:16] schestowitz to speak out [04:16] schestowitz then return [04:16] CrystalMath yes, and i told you some even more inside stuff, about whose idea it was [04:17] schestowitz now the mask falls off and we still see who had beef [04:17] CrystalMath in a PM [04:17] schestowitz was there an exchange somewhere? [04:17] schestowitz like FSF gives kuhn awards? [04:17] CrystalMath on the FSF internal mailing list, lots [04:17] schestowitz then the following day RMS comes back? [04:17] schestowitz SFC has not yet made a statement on this [04:18] schestowitz maybe they agreed not to "pull on OSI" this time? [04:18] CrystalMath i don't really have access to the internal mailing list like this, i get information from several people here and there [04:18] CrystalMath as far as i know, Kuhn got the award normally [04:18] CrystalMath it is decided by the staff anyway [04:19] CrystalMath i antagonized Bradley Kuhn today without knowing if he changed his mind on RMS [04:20] CrystalMath but he's still bad because of what he posted there in that blog post [04:20] CrystalMath and just... being a traitor like that [04:20] CrystalMath idk if he changed again [04:21] CrystalMath but at this point i don't care, if he did his opinions are worthless as he changes them constantly [04:21] schestowitz i'd keep my distance [04:21] schestowitz he keeps bad company [04:21] schestowitz and raises money from dubious places [04:22] CrystalMath he used to be RMS's best friend, and talked about being his successor [04:22] CrystalMath he was the most pro-RMS person alive, and then [04:22] CrystalMath he wrote a blog post saying that RMS is a sexually immoral person, linking to one time when RMS said it's not wrong for teenagers to have sex with other teenagers [04:23] techrights-bot Bringing #FIDO2 or #FIDO2 #snakeoil support... https://blogs.gnome.org/dueno/bringing-fido2-device-support-to-sandboxes/ fake security: http://techrights.org/2020/10/15/fido-false-sense-of-security/ [04:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org | Bringing FIDO2 device support to sandboxes Daiki Ueno [04:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A FIDO/FIDO2 False Sense of Security for Premium Prices | Techrights [04:23] CrystalMath i believe RMS was 100% right in this, i don't know why anyone would see that as wrong, unless they're a conservative christian fundamentalist [04:23] CrystalMath so i asked bkuhn how long has he been into conservative christian fundamentalism [04:23] schestowitz let's not even discuss that [04:24] schestowitz as there's a troll lurking it to pick up dirt [04:24] CrystalMath it's not dirt [04:24] schestowitz it is to trolls [04:24] schestowitz and they can take it out of context [04:24] schestowitz #sexrights is there ----------------------? [04:24] CrystalMath i wrote it as unambigously as i can [04:24] schestowitz ----------------------> [04:24] schestowitz there's also that debate about teens sexting [04:25] schestowitz that's more tech-related [04:25] CrystalMath that's actually what it was [04:25] schestowitz or the impact of tech on things like personal life [04:25] CrystalMath in the article RMS linked to [04:25] CrystalMath it was about sexting actually [04:25] schestowitz oh, I see... [04:26] CrystalMath RMS just did expand upon it and he said there's nothing wrong if teens have sex with each other (NOT WITH ADULTS) [04:27] CrystalMath also, another thing bkuhn called RMS out, was a blog post where RMS said sex workers should exist [04:27] schestowitz anyway... [04:27] schestowitz let's not discuss this here [04:27] schestowitz as that would likely be taken out of context no matter what [04:28] schestowitz by trolls who never kissed a girl until they were 20+ [04:28] CrystalMath so jokingly i called bkuhn a conservative christian [04:28] CrystalMath but in reality, he's a SWERF [04:28] CrystalMath then he put me on ignore [04:28] CrystalMath that's the end of that story [04:29] schestowitz Michael pushes Intel ads again https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-7nm-New-US-Fabs-Intel-On [04:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel Provides Update On 7nm, New US Fabs, "Intel On" Event - Phoronix [04:29] schestowitz lots of this lately [04:29] schestowitz no linux connection [04:29] schestowitz just Intel "puff" [04:29] schestowitz did they send him many boards? [04:29] schestowitz CrystalMath: try calling him "rabbi" and see what happens [04:30] schestowitz with child marriages and all it's bound to get "funny"... [04:31] techrights-bot #Plan9 #Copyright Transferred To Foundation, MIT Licensed Code Released - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Plan-9-2021 #Phoronix # | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/24/#latest [04:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Plan 9 Copyright Transferred To Foundation, MIT Licensed Code Released - Phoronix [04:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [04:33] techrights-bot This thing called Shells dot com, basically #clownComputing trap, has been infecting many "Linux" news sites lately. Paid-for puff pieces and organic 'articles'... that aren't. Part of this trend: http://techrights.org/2020/10/18/news-as-spam/ [04:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Different Types of Spammy Articles and Reviews Which Have Killed Professional Journalism (Nowadays Mostly SPAM) | Techrights [04:36] techrights-bot #Patent maximalists that now pay blogs for #propaganda ( #PatentlyO for example) carry on promoting #fakepatents by seeking to abolish boards that review and invalidate these https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/03/appellants-raise-due-process-issues-in-new-vision-gaming-and-development-v-sg-gaming.html [04:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: Appellants Raise Due Process Issues in New Vision Gaming and Development v. SG Gaming [04:37] techrights-bot #patent extremeists compare tribunal that review #patents to "DEATH squads" http://techrights.org/2018/06/17/patents-and-lawsuits-vs-innovation/ [04:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Affairs of the USPTO Have Turned Into Somewhat of a Battle Against the Courts, Which Are Simply Applying the Law to Invalidate US Patents | Techrights [04:38] techrights-bot And speaking of which, sociopaths released several times from prison talking about "Death Panels" http://techrights.org/2010/09/14/tough-questions-teachers/ #billgates #BackToPrison [04:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | PR Disaster: Discussion With Bill Gates Turns to Death Panels | Techrights [04:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 30.76 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 25.20 swarm size (avg): 153.34 [04:42] techrights-bot Linux Kernel Patches Sent Out For A More Powerful Virtual #M68k Machine - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-Virtual-M68k-Machine #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/24/#latest [04:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Kernel Patches Sent Out For A More Powerful Virtual M68k Machine - Phoronix [04:45] techrights-bot #microsoft connected company: "Plus our reaction to RMS's return to the FSF, some big project updates, picks, and more!" https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/144562/back-in-the-freedom-dimension-linux-unplugged-398/ see http://techrights.org/2020/05/29/jupiter-broadcasting/ [04:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | Back in the Freedom Dimension | LINUX Unplugged 398 | Jupiter Broadcasting [04:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft-Connected CloudGuru Doesnt Care About GNU/Linux and Now Its Gradually Killing the BSD/Linux-Centric Jupiter Broadcasting (Bought by Linux Academy) | Techrights [04:46] techrights-bot #Pockit modular Linux computer takes hot plugging magnetic blocks http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149153 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [04:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Pockit modular Linux computer takes hot plugging magnetic blocks | Tux Machines [04:47] techrights-bot Now it's a long, lonnnng longtime #microsoft propagandist #paulThurrott trying to fool #gnu #linux users into giving Microsoft ROOT on their systems... to just run some proprietary copycat of Chrome. Don't fall for it! [04:50] techrights-bot #clownComputing ITSELF is the problem and the fix is getting rid of Clown Computing altogether. It just means #outsourcing ... typically to #surveillance giants in service of the US Army. Stop doing that... you pay a LOT! With your loss of freedom. https://www.arnnet.com.au/article/687086/5-common-cloud-problems-how-fix-them/?fp=2&fpid=1 [04:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.arnnet.com.au | 5 common cloud problems and how to fix them - ARN [04:51] techrights-bot HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI https://sfconservancy.org/news/2021/mar/23/karen-lailec-2021/ [04:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sfconservancy.org | Conservancy's Executive Director to Keynote AI Law & Ethics Conference - Software Freedom Conservancy [04:56] techrights-bot #GNOME Desktop/GTK: Work by Matthias Clasen, 2FA and GNOME Latam 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149154 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [04:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME Desktop/GTK: Work by Matthias Clasen, 2FA and GNOME Latam 2021 | Tux Machines [04:59] CrystalMath https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ [04:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rms-support-letter.github.io | An open letter in support of Richard Matthew Stallman being reinstated by the Free Software Foundation ● Mar 24 [05:12] techrights-bot Links 24/3/2021: #ManjaroLinux 21.0 and New #Firefox Release http://techrights.org/2021/03/24/manjaro-linux-21-0/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/24/manjaro-linux-21-0/ [05:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 24/3/2021: Manjaro Linux 21.0 and New Firefox Release | Techrights [05:14] schestowitz "To sign, please submit a pull request." [05:14] schestowitz HAHAHAHAHAH [05:14] schestowitz open an account at microsoft [05:14] schestowitz ro support rms [05:14] schestowitz I can imagine what rms might say! [05:15] schestowitz petitions can be stupid at times [05:15] schestowitz they're not election [05:15] schestowitz better to argue in words [05:15] schestowitz numbers and sigs are just some random numbers [05:16] schestowitz not exhaustive surveys [05:16] schestowitz and media owned by the rich can game which ones we see [05:16] techrights-bot #Openwashing and Traps http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149155 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [05:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Openwashing and Traps | Tux Machines [05:16] techrights-bot #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149156 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [05:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [05:17] techrights-bot Doing a petition in support of #RMS on #Microsoft #GutHub is like organising an animal rights event at a slaughterhouse [05:17] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149157 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [05:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [05:18] techrights-bot Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149158 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [05:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [05:18] techrights-bot Audiocasts/Shows: #mintCast , #PCLinuxOS 2021.02, Linux in the Ham Shack, LINUX Unplugged http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149159 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [05:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: mintCast, PCLinuxOS 2021.02, Linux in the Ham Shack, LINUX Unplugged | Tux Machines [05:20] techrights-bot This week of next week #techrights will exceed 30,000 blog posts. [05:20] schestowitz our rms-back piece: 85k views [05:20] schestowitz gn [05:20] CrystalMath schestowitz: i signed it with the github account designed specifically for use with ReactOS, which is sadly on github [05:21] schestowitz :/ [05:21] CrystalMath i have not really been working much on reactos since it moved to github [05:21] schestowitz urging staunch supporter of rms to sign up with microsoft seems self-harming [05:21] CrystalMath 99.9% of my commits are from the SVN era [05:21] schestowitz SVN was OK [05:21] schestowitz but... shiny Microsoft [05:21] schestowitz monopoly [05:21] schestowitz centralised [05:22] schestowitz yay [05:22] schestowitz SVN over SF [05:22] CrystalMath what's worse is that, they really only asked us if reactos should move to git [05:22] CrystalMath and when we voted yes [05:22] schestowitz get "likes" [05:22] CrystalMath they moved to git.... hub [05:22] schestowitz "must be some good code! [05:22] schestowitz 7 "likes" [05:23] CrystalMath but github was not microsoft at the time [05:23] schestowitz so microsoft bought and now owns reactos [05:23] schestowitz without even paying [05:23] CrystalMath lol, no, not really :P [05:23] CrystalMath they still seem to hate us somehow [05:23] schestowitz gn [05:23] CrystalMath but with more some kind of passive contempt [05:23] CrystalMath goodnight [05:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.13 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 100.03 swarm size (avg): 153.43 ● Mar 24 [06:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 18.06 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 85.33 swarm size (avg): 153.54 ● Mar 24 [07:32] *kingoffrance has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [07:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 32.13 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 61.51 swarm size (avg): 153.68 [07:45] *kingoffrance (~x@2601:681:8200:b890::2b56) has joined #techrights ● Mar 24 [08:11] *genr8_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [08:16] *genr8_ (~genr8_@unaffiliated/genbtc) has joined #techrights [08:24] *aindilis has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [08:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 21.91 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 52.85 swarm size (avg): 153.85 ● Mar 24 [09:06] techrights-bot NEWS #Rebased SSH Keygen: a 2021 update https://blog.rebased.pl/2021/03/23/ssh-keygen-2021.html [09:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.rebased.pl | SSH Keygen: a 2021 update [09:06] techrights-bot NEWS #Klara History of #ZFS: Part 1: The Birth of ZFS and How it All Started https://klarasystems.com/articles/history-of-zfs-part-1-the-birth-of-zfs/ [09:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-klarasystems.com | History of ZFS Part 1: The Birth of ZFS | Klara Inc. [09:06] techrights-bot NEWS #Fly The 5-hour #CDN https://fly.io/blog/the-5-hour-content-delivery-network/ [09:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fly.io | The 5-hour CDN Fly [09:07] techrights-bot #PinePhone Beta Limited Edition Is Now Available for Pre-Order with Manjaro Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149160 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PinePhone Beta Limited Edition Is Now Available for Pre-Order with Manjaro Linux | Tux Machines [09:08] techrights-bot #IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/03/24/irc-log-230321/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/24/irc-log-230321/ [09:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 | Techrights [09:10] techrights-bot NEWS #Purism #OpenHardware The S in IOT is for Security https://puri.sm/posts/the-s-in-iot-is-for-security/ [09:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-puri.sm | The S in IOT is for Security Purism [09:10] techrights-bot NEWS #JPieper #OpenHardware Development of next-gen power_dist (part 1) https://jpieper.com/2021/03/22/development-of-next-gen-power_dist-part-1/ [09:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jpieper.com | Development of next-gen power_dist (part 1) | A Modicum of Fun [09:10] techrights-bot NEWS #KenShirriff #OpenHardware Two dies in one package: Teardown of a vintage ROM with double the storage http://www.righto.com/2021/03/two-dies-in-one-package-teardown-of.html [09:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.righto.com | Two dies in one package: Teardown of a vintage ROM with double the storage [09:12] techrights-bot NEWS #DanLangille mosquitto: upgrade from 1.x to 2.x requires configuration changes to keep working https://dan.langille.org/2021/03/22/mosquitto-upgrade-from-1-x-to-2-x-requires-configuration-changes-to-keep-working/ [09:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dan.langille.org | mosquitto: upgrade from 1.x to 2.x requires configuration changes to keep working Dan Langille's Other Diary [09:12] techrights-bot NEWS #uniToronto #Programming Portability has ongoing costs for code that's changing https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/programming/PortabilityOngoingCosts [09:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-utcc.utoronto.ca | Chris's Wiki :: blog/programming/PortabilityOngoingCosts [09:13] techrights-bot NEWS #IanHenry #Programming Getting Drunk with Datalog https://ianthehenry.com/posts/getting-drunk-with-datalog/ [09:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ianthehenry.com | Getting Drunk with Datalog [09:13] techrights-bot [Old] #StephenDiehl #Programming Exotic Programming Ideas: Part 4 (Datalog) https://www.stephendiehl.com/posts/exotic04.html [09:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stephendiehl.com | Exotic Programming Ideas: Part 4 (Datalog) [09:16] techrights-bot "Richard M. Stallman" is back to the FSF page https://www.fsf.org/about/staff-and-board/ [09:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Staff and Board Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [09:16] techrights-bot #famouscriminal buying the world with money stolen from the world https://futurism.com/bill-gates-farmland il y a anguille sous roche #billgates [09:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-futurism.com | Bill Gates Attempts to Explain Why He Bought More Farmland Than Anyone Else in America [09:18] techrights-bot 5 days downtime = #microsoft360 https://portswigger.net/daily-swig/microsoft-blames-crypto-key-rotation-snafu-for-365-outage people ought to get FIRED for choosing Microsoft (some do) https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/SNAFU#English [09:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-portswigger.net | Microsoft blames crypto key rotation snafu for 365 outage | The Daily Swig [09:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | SNAFU - Wiktionary [09:23] techrights-bot Another hostile reaction to RMS returning (it's now official) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149083#comment-28766 this page tracks some responses excluding #socialcontrolmedia (which is just a worthless noise machine with falsehoods aplenty) [09:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good News! Richard Stallman is Back at Free Software Foundation | Tux Machines [09:25] techrights-bot "It seems that rich native email clients as Free Software are a little bit losing ground. A contributing factor from my perspective is the complexity that is needed (and partly needed because propriety vendors make it more complicated) to make an attractive client for many plattforms." https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2021-March/064996.html [09:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.gnupg.org | We shall value email usage [09:26] techrights-bot Glad to see Dr. Moody commenting on #dweb https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20353136 #ipfs is nice and we also move to #geminiProtocol albeit it tackles a different problem [09:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody@joindiaspora.com: A New Portal for the Decentralized Web and its Guiding Principles - https://blog.archive.org/2021/03/22/a-new-portal-for-the-decentralized-web-and-its-guiding-principles/ "a portal, a welcoming entry point for people to learn and share strategies, analysis, and tools around how to build a decentralized Web." [09:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blog.archive.org | A New Portal for the Decentralized Web and its Guiding Principles - Internet Archive Blogs [09:27] techrights-bot #KSA should be labeled a country run by terrorists and treated accordingly. Not every government cooks journalists (literally) and classifies atheists as terrorists. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/23/top-saudi-official-issued-death-threat-against-uns-khashoggi-investigator [09:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Top Saudi official issued death threat against UN's Khashoggi investigator | Jamal Khashoggi | The Guardian [09:28] techrights-bot Thankfully it has gotten a lot easier to boycott Saudi #oil (or oil in general). Stop funding terrorism. https://mastodon.social/@glynmoody/105939242893131500 [09:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | Glyn Moody: "Top Saudi official issued death threat against UN" - Mastodon [09:31] techrights-bot Wherever #microsoft goes the dead bodies follow https://www.computerworld.com/article/3612191/does-microsoft-share-blame-for-the-solarwinds-hack.html see, e.g. http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/ [09:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Does Microsoft share blame for the SolarWinds hack? | Computerworld [09:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | Techrights [09:32] techrights-bot Legacy of #nra in a nation that mostly bombs nations in order to advance the interests of its corporations (oligarchs) https://www.salon.com/2021/03/23/the-nra-way-of-life-is-ruining-our-nation/ http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Cablegate [09:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The NRA way of life is ruining our nation | Salon.com [09:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Cablegate - Techrights [09:33] techrights-bot Bad computer systems do kill https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=da&u=https://www.version2.dk/blog/it-havarikommission-nu-1092334 see, e.g. http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/ [09:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-translate.google.com | Google Translate [09:34] techrights-bot #Krita 4.4.3 Released with Stability and Performance Improvements, Bug Fixes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149161 #kde #gnu #freesw [09:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Krita 4.4.3 Released with Stability and Performance Improvements, Bug Fixes | Tux Machines [09:35] techrights-bot The list of the anti-RMS petition is a list of people who do #microsoft #github i.e. #ProprietarySoftware #monopoly [09:38] techrights-bot The way to read the anti-RMS petition: Dear FSF, Please cease to exist! Anger-ily yours, #microsoft #github #ProprietarySoftware #monopoly booster/user (everyone who does commits there boosts the monopoly) [09:39] Techrights-sec https://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/richard-stallman-is-finally-back-in-the:b [09:39] Techrights-sec https://odysee.com/@Lunduke:e/DefenseofStallman:9 [09:39] Techrights-sec why is RiseUp supporting such bile and vitriol? They used to have [09:39] Techrights-sec comlpliance requirements to maintain an account but that seems to have [09:39] Techrights-sec been corrupted. [09:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Richard Stallman Is Finally Back In The FSF [09:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | In Defense of Richard Stallman [09:41] techrights-bot In Defense of #RichardStallman https://odysee.com/@Lunduke:e/DefenseofStallman:9 #fsf #gnu [09:43] *mmu_man (~revol@82-65-227-82.subs.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [09:44] techrights-bot NEWS #InternetArchive A New Portal for the #DecentralizedWeb and its Guiding Principles https://blog.archive.org/2021/03/22/a-new-portal-for-the-decentralized-web-and-its-guiding-principles/ [09:44] techrights-bot NEWS #PortSwigger #Hardware Spectre attacks against websites still a serious threat, #Google warns https://portswigger.net/daily-swig/spectre-attacks-against-websites-still-a-serious-threat-google-warns [09:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-portswigger.net | Spectre attacks against websites still a serious threat, Google warns | The Daily Swig [09:46] techrights-bot NEWS #ITWire #ProprietarySoftware Yet another Windows #ransomware strain appears on the scene https://itwire.com/security/yet-another-windows-ransomware-strain-appears-on-the-scene.html [09:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Yet another Windows ransomware strain appears on the scene [09:46] techrights-bot NEWS #SiliconAngle #ProprietarySoftware #Oil and #gas company Shell suffers Accellion-related data breach https://siliconangle.com/2021/03/22/oil-gas-company-shell-suffers-accellion-related-data-breach/ [09:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Oil and gas company Shell suffers Accellion-related data breach - SiliconANGLE [09:47] techrights-bot NEWS #PortSwigger #ProprietarySoftware #Mimecast confirms [attackers] behind #SolarWinds supply chain attack accessed limited amount of customer information https://portswigger.net/daily-swig/mimecast-confirms-hackers-behind-solarwinds-supply-chain-attack-accessed-limited-amount-of-customer-information [09:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-portswigger.net | Mimecast confirms hackers behind SolarWinds supply chain attack accessed limited amount of customer information | The Daily Swig [09:48] techrights-bot NEWS #FranzDill #ProprietarySoftware #Microsoft #Windows TCO Continued Worsening of #Ransomware https://eponymouspickle.blogspot.com/2021/03/continued-worsening-of-ransomware.html [09:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-eponymouspickle.blogspot.com | The Eponymous Pickle: Continued Worsening of Ransomware [09:48] techrights-bot NEWS #ACM #ProprietarySoftware #Microsoft #Windows TCO The Worsening State of #Ransomware https://cacm.acm.org/news/251337-the-worsening-state-of-ransomware/fulltext [09:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cacm.acm.org | The Worsening State of Ransomware | News | Communications of the ACM [09:53] techrights-bot NEWS #Mixterla #Privacy #Surveillance Shamir's Password Store https://mitxela.com/projects/shamirs_password_store [09:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Shamir's Password Store - mitxela.com [09:53] techrights-bot NEWS #CitizenLab #Privacy #Surveillance #TikTok and Douyin Explained https://citizenlab.ca/2021/03/tiktok-and-douyin-explained/ [09:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-citizenlab.ca | TikTok and Douyin Explained - The Citizen Lab [09:54] techrights-bot NEWS #CitizenLab #Privacy #Surveillance #TikTok vs Douyin: A Security and Privacy Analysis https://citizenlab.ca/2021/03/tiktok-vs-douyin-security-privacy-analysis/ [09:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-citizenlab.ca | TikTok vs Douyin: A Security and Privacy Analysis - The Citizen Lab [09:54] techrights-bot NEWS #BuzzFeed #Privacy #Surveillance #Facebook Is Building An #Instagram For Kids Under The Age Of 13 https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/facebook-instagram-for-children-under-13 [09:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.buzzfeednews.com | Facebook Is Building An Instagram For Kids [09:55] techrights-bot NEWS #Gizmodo #Privacy #Surveillance Zuck Slowly Shrinks and Transforms Into a Corncob Ahead of Apple's Looming Privacy Updates https://gizmodo.com/zuck-slowly-shrinks-and-transforms-into-a-corn-cob-ahea-1846510281?scrolla=5eb6d68b7fedc32c19ef33b4 [09:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com | Zuckerberg: Facebook May Be in 'Stronger Position' After Apple Privacy Update [09:56] techrights-bot NEWS #CNBC #Surveillance #Apple says its big #privacy change is coming in 'early spring' as conflict with #Facebook heats up https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/28/apples-b.html [09:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Apple: IDFA iOS 14 change coming early spring [09:57] techrights-bot NEWS #CNET #Privacy #Surveillance #Facebook CEO Mark #Zuckerberg criticizes Apple on Clubhouse https://www.cnet.com/news/facebook-ceo-mark-zuckerberg-criticizes-apple-on-clubhouse/ [09:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg criticizes Apple on Clubhouse - CNET ● Mar 24 [10:05] techrights-bot One way to support the #FSF is to speak about #softwarefreedom and move past the anti- #RMS mob. Move on, RMS is here to stay. [10:07] *inode (~inode@unaffiliated/inode) has left #techrights [10:11] techrights-bot NEWS #KrebsOnSecurity #security Phish Leads to Breach at Calif. State Controller https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/03/phish-leads-to-breach-at-calif-state-controller/ [10:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krebsonsecurity.com | Phish Leads to Breach at Calif. State Controller Krebs on Security [10:15] techrights-bot Even people who used to bash #RichardStallman step in to defend him http://techrights.org/2021/03/24/lunduke-rms/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/24/lunduke-rms/ [10:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Lunduke (ex-Microsoft): In Defense of Richard Stallman | Techrights [10:15] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [10:16] techrights-bot "In the short term, it seems very likely (if not inevitable) that Neurim will attempt to appeal the costs order and we (like many patent litigators in the UK) will be keeping a close eye on any developments in this regard." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/03/24/neurim-and-flynn-v-mylan-who-is-the-real-winner/ [10:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Neurim and Flynn v Mylan Who is the real winner? - Kluwer Patent Blog [10:18] techrights-bot #JUVE became "SPAM" site, posting #marketing #junk in the form of 'articles' https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/people-and-business/french-competitor-acquires-novumip-from-paragon-partners/ it used to be a real site http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Juve [10:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | French competitor acquires NovumIP from Paragon Partners - JUVE Patent [10:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Juve - Techrights [10:22] techrights-bot The good thing about the anti-RMS petition that's hosted by #microsoft is that you get to see/know who's who... [10:24] techrights-bot Phoronix: Microsoft doesn't love #linux and won't even add support for it https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Microsoft-Surface-DTX-Linux-513 [10:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Surface "DTX" Driver Slated For Linux 5.13 - Phoronix [10:26] techrights-bot Ironically, the lynch mob that bullied #techrights rendered itself mute, so trolling by that mob is harder to do now. Those who demanded less speech ended up unable to talk. [10:31] techrights-bot NEWS #Techdirt What I Hope Tech CEOs Will Tell Congress: 'We're Not Neutral' https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210322/09521746466/what-i-hope-tech-ceos-will-tell-congress-were-not-neutral.shtml [10:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What I Hope Tech CEOs Will Tell Congress: 'We're Not Neutral' | Techdirt [10:34] techrights-bot NEWS #TruthOut #fb #Facebook Failed to Prevent Billions of Views of Pages Sharing False Information https://truthout.org/articles/facebook-failed-to-prevent-10-billion-post-views-from-sharers-of-false-info/ abandon #socialcontrolmedia cesspool [10:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Facebook Failed to Prevent Billions of Views of Pages Sharing False Information [10:36] techrights-bot #Canonical Releases Another #Ubuntu Linux Kernel Security Update to Fix 6 Flaws http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149162 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [10:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Releases Another Ubuntu Linux Kernel Security Update to Fix 6 Flaws | Tux Machines [10:38] techrights-bot Oh my God!!! Our local council plans to do voting ONLINE. This is insane. Better not to do voting at all! Have they consulted any professionals on this??? #manchester #uk #crackpot #election [10:40] techrights-bot #Election hacking may go undetected https://www.cylumena.com/insights/8-cybersecurity-reasons-online-voting-never-happen/ call off the election, #manchester , don't do it "online" (by post is better) [10:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-8 Cybersecurity Reasons Why Online Voting May Never Happen | CyLumena [10:41] *mmu_man (~revol@82-65-227-82.subs.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [10:41] techrights-bot "It is crucial for democracy to work every time and we cant guarantee that with an online system." https://medium.com/digital-diplomacy/security-experts-say-online-voting-is-a-bad-idea-heres-why-1792c9a876b0 [10:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-medium.com | Security Experts Say Online Voting Is a Bad Idea. Heres Why. | Digital Diplomacy [10:44] techrights-bot #SimonPhipps you snake... making fun of people with disabilities while signing a letter falsely accusing RMS of that. http://techrights.org/2020/10/11/osi-and-rms/ [10:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Open Source Initiative Cannot Lecture People on Manners and Tolerance (and Probably Never Could) | Techrights [10:45] techrights-bot Molly de Blanc: did not write a SINGLE line of code, demands RMS be removed for years. Have we become a world full of parasites? http://techrights.org/2021/01/12/gnome-foundation-rms/ [10:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GNOME Foundation is Still Participating in the Attack on Richard Stallman | Techrights [10:46] *genr8_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [10:46] *genr8_ (~genr8_@unaffiliated/genbtc) has joined #techrights [10:48] techrights-bot Do not 'cancel' the people who try to cancel RMS. That would make us as hateful and vicious as they are. Criticise them. That'll do. Let all the foaming at the mouth come from these passive-aggressive bullies... [10:49] techrights-bot It's OK to criticise RMS, but lying about his is not OK http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/sjvn-senior-moment/ [10:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | One Year Later Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols Libel Against Richard Stallman Remains Online and Uncorrected at ZDNet | Techrights [10:50] techrights-bot Canonical Chooses Flutter Linux Mint to Make System Updates a Priority Steam Link Now Available on Linux ElementaryOS 6 Changing Some of the Look and Feel Root Access and Denial of Service Flaws Fo [10:50] techrights-bot Richard Stallman (RMS) is often on the receiving end of malicious insults unsupported by any clinical analysis; a proper critical analysis suggests that Open Source is inherently dishonest (stealing credit for other peoples work) and moreover intolerant http://techrights.org/2020/10/11/osi-and-rms/ [10:56] psydroid Exclude the parasites by changing the rules of the game such as making free software truly and only about community again [10:58] schestowitz here is a rant [10:58] schestowitz not for social control media [10:58] schestowitz as MinceR is aware, over a decade ago I spent a lot of time on youtube [10:58] schestowitz usually listening to videos while working on Daily Links [10:58] schestowitz many channels I liked were atheist channels [10:59] schestowitz the better known ones, some were hilarious [10:59] schestowitz links were shared here [10:59] schestowitz then I noticed something [10:59] schestowitz as did others [10:59] schestowitz people were infiltrating and hijacking that community in youtube [10:59] schestowitz and the atheism advocates [10:59] schestowitz they called it Atheism+ [10:59] schestowitz or something like that [10:59] schestowitz it had nothing to do with it [10:59] schestowitz it's what years later became known as "social justice warriors" ● Mar 24 [11:00] schestowitz they were warriors against the things they had infiltrated [11:00] schestowitz so I now see the same in the FSF and elsewhere [11:00] schestowitz people with ZERO relevant, no experience, NO UNDERSTANDING [11:00] schestowitz or barely any [11:00] schestowitz and that kills off the communities [11:00] schestowitz the real communities [11:00] schestowitz as they provoke and disgust key people [11:08] *koo5 (~koo5@78-80-25-163.customers.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [11:10] techrights-bot Ironically, #ableism is the #thoughtcrime of some people who sign a letter accusing others of the same http://techrights.org/2020/10/11/osi-and-rms/ [11:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Open Source Initiative Cannot Lecture People on Manners and Tolerance (and Probably Never Could) | Techrights [11:12] techrights-bot Cancel Canonical? http://techrights.org/2021/02/15/cancel-canonical/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/15/cancel-canonical/ #ubuntu [11:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Cancel Canonical? | Techrights [11:12] psydroid that is what I see too [11:13] psydroid unfortunately for them I have a thick skin and counter each and every of their arguments, but I wonder if it is always worth going to that trouble [11:14] psydroid the first rule of community is not to let your community be infiltrated and killed from the inside [11:15] techrights-bot NEWS #Techdirt New Year, Same You: #Twitch Releases Tools To Help Creators Avoid #Copyright Strikes, Can't Properly Police Abuse https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210318/10311146445/new-year-same-you-twitch-releases-tools-to-help-creators-avoid-copyright-strikes-cant-properly-police-abuse.shtml [11:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New Year, Same You: Twitch Releases Tools To Help Creators Avoid Copyright Strikes, Can't Properly Police Abuse | Techdirt [11:18] schestowitz psydroid: it is not fully worth the trouble [11:18] schestowitz TR won't be covering it anymore [11:18] schestowitz we move on [11:19] schestowitz to pragmatic things [11:21] techrights-bot Best Free and #freesw Alternatives to Google Calendar http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149163 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [11:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Google Calendar | Tux Machines [11:25] psydroid I really despise the Microsoft people the most and they are coming after me, because I am one of the most vocal people about their practices [11:25] psydroid But they serve as a blueprint for IBM and Red Hat people and others too, making me think that something is really wrong with many of those who join these behemoths [11:26] schestowitz I know what you mean... [11:26] schestowitz They target a whole bunch of us who say the C word [11:26] schestowitz community [11:26] schestowitz and also the f word [11:26] schestowitz freedom [11:27] schestowitz because they want to eliminate people who point out society is a slave to these monopolistic mobsters (masters) [11:27] schestowitz like the people mjg59 works for [11:27] *asusbox has quit (Read error: No route to host) [11:27] schestowitz trying to compensate for it by adding s f'ing FLAIR to his reddit username [11:27] schestowitz "I make millions by bombing people... but I have a FLAIR in my reddit profile ;-)" [11:27] *asusbox (~rianne@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:650b:6f7d:86e4:818f) has joined #techrights [11:32] techrights-bot Trolls Want to Remove Not Only Stallman but the Entire FSF Board http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149164 hypocrites http://techrights.org/2020/10/11/osi-and-rms/ [11:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Source Advocates Want to Remove Not Only Stallman but the Entire FSF Board | Tux Machines [11:35] techrights-bot The anti-RMS petition is signed by less than 0.001% of Free software people. "We are the 0.001%!!! We are angry!!" Revolt of the privileged who work for #ProprietarySoftware #monopolies (many of them, not all) Their employers made us digital slaves and then ban words [11:37] *koo5 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [11:38] techrights-bot #Fedora Linux 34 Beta Is Now Available For Download http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149129#comment-28771 #gnu #linux #ibm [11:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Announcing the release of Fedora Linux 34 Beta | Tux Machines [11:49] techrights-bot #Krita 4.4.3 Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149165 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #KDE [11:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Krita 4.4.3 Released | Tux Machines [11:50] *koo5 (~koo5@78-80-25-163.customers.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [11:58] techrights-bot "As if Nazis had a #monopoly on #eugenics . They mostly copied what the US government had done with #IBM because old Mr. Watson (IBM's founder) was a racist." http://techrights.org/2020/10/11/osi-and-rms/ [11:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Open Source Initiative Cannot Lecture People on Manners and Tolerance (and Probably Never Could) | Techrights ● Mar 24 [12:00] techrights-bot #OSI is deeply deeply defunct. It's funded by Microsoft and exists for #microsoft now (original co-founders both left, there's no leader anymore, they cannot even run elections). http://techrights.org/2021/03/21/leaderless-osi/ [12:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Open Source Initiative (OSI): A Boat Without a Captain | Techrights [12:02] techrights-bot #texas is killing #patent #law by discrediting the whole patent system in the US. This coverage is sponsored by litigation profiteers. https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/03/tracfone-mandamus-again.html [12:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | TracFone: Mandamus All Over Again | Patently-O [12:05] techrights-bot Only softball questions for EUIPO (to keep "access") and no difficult questions about #EUIPO #corruption https://www.managingip.com/article/b1r35tsdqry9lj/euipo-appeals-to-have-extra-weight-says-new-boa-chief see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EUIPO [12:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | EUIPO appeals to have extra weight, says new BoA chief | Managing Intellectual Property [12:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EUIPO - Techrights [12:06] techrights-bot #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149166 #Google #Linux #TuxMachines [12:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [12:18] techrights-bot #OSI Should Elect a Leader Before Trying to Dethrone Others http://techrights.org/2021/03/24/osi-should-elect-a-leader/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/24/osi-should-elect-a-leader/ [12:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | OSI Should Elect a Leader Before Trying to Dethrone Others | Techrights [12:21] *polezaivsani (~polezaivs@orangeshoelaces.net) has joined #techrights [12:22] *ivanq (b00efe3d@176.14.254.61) has joined #techrights [12:23] techrights-bot NEWS #Techdirt Senator Mark Warner Doesn't Seem To Understand Even The Very Basic Fundamentals Of #Section230 As He Seeks To Destroy It https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210322/17020246469/senator-mark-warner-doesnt-seem-to-understand-even-very-basic-fundamentals-section-230-as-he-seeks-to-destroy-it.shtml [12:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Senator Mark Warner Doesn't Seem To Understand Even The Very Basic Fundamentals Of Section 230 As He Seeks To Destroy It | Techdirt [12:25] psydroid schestowitz, Arthur_S sent me a bunch of private messages on Friday that I never responded to. I also suspect him to be the same person as Helios2, because one would join when the other left [12:26] psydroid talking about pedophilia and communism [12:31] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [12:33] schestowitz yes, same person [12:33] schestowitz based on IRC logs [12:33] schestowitz you could see the name changes [12:33] schestowitz based in the UK somewhere [12:33] schestowitz be careful, don't talk to people about off-topic things [12:33] schestowitz they try to engineer a phony scandal for us [12:33] schestowitz the Google Troll contacted DaemonFC[m] to ask about pedo stuff [12:34] schestowitz the goal is the extract some tactless and out-of-context remark [12:34] schestowitz [06:27] schestowitz: You've written at length about one of Bill Gates's employees being arrested for posessing child pornography. You're aware that RMS believes that, while manufacturing such pictures should be illegal, possession should be legal. Do you agree with him? [12:34] schestowitz [07:26] did you stop beating up your wife, mjg59? [12:34] schestowitz we are targeted [12:35] schestowitz the anti-RMS GitHub 'petition' is run by these people [12:35] schestowitz foaming at the mouth looking for targets [12:35] schestowitz by their OWN admission, they look to cancel all the so-called "ENABLERS" [12:35] schestowitz i.e. everything they do not like [12:35] schestowitz they're a moc [12:35] schestowitz sociopaths and trolls [12:35] schestowitz *mob [12:35] schestowitz disguised as "manners" [12:37] psydroid sometimes when they don't get their way and they don't have any arguments left, they recommend you to go and see a "psychiatrist" [12:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 15.63 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 43.01 swarm size (avg): 153.92 [12:40] techrights-bot CAUTION TO THE REAL #freeSW community (not corporate charlatans working for #monopolies like #microsoft and Google): a bunch of nasty corporate trolls are reportedly targeting key people with loaded questions about paedophilia, looking to engineer phony scandals by out-of-context quotes on hard subjects. Watch out, put them on IGNORE. http://techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/ [12:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Professional Troll Matthew Garrett Spreads Libel, Defamation and Slander About the Free Software Community to Entertain Microsoft and Friends | Techrights [12:40] schestowitz psydroid: thanks for the headsup [12:40] schestowitz last night I asked out here if more of us where privately targeted [12:40] schestowitz so the answer seems to be "yes" [12:41] schestowitz and I wonder who that new person from London area is [12:41] schestowitz could be some spin/PR firm for all I know... [12:41] schestowitz let me check.. [12:41] schestowitz Arthur_S is the same person as Helios2 [12:41] schestowitz I will warn #fsf now [12:42] psydroid I didn't know if other persons were also targetted, but I read the backlog and saw mjg59 doing similar things, so I decided to bring it up [12:43] schestowitz let's see if people there too were targeted [12:43] schestowitz I posted: [12:43] schestowitz Public announcement: over at techrights we've been targeted by matthew garrett and Arthur_S (the same person as Helios2). DO NOT REPLY to them. Their modus operandi is to ask people publicly or privately about pedophilia. They try to engineer phony scandals. Do not reply to them. [12:43] schestowitz psydroid: they always bring up sex [12:43] schestowitz mind is all sex [12:44] schestowitz psydroid: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/sex-trolling.png [12:44] schestowitz do not reply to them [12:44] schestowitz report to me if they contact you [12:44] schestowitz like I said last night, we might do an article when sufficient info becomes available [12:45] psydroid schestowitz, I never replied, just took notice and just told you. I could even send my log to you by encrypted e-mail. [12:46] schestowitz good [12:46] schestowitz I want to hear if/which other people got the same [12:46] schestowitz you cannot compel trolls to seek professional help [12:46] schestowitz but you can ignore [12:51] schestowitz [12:45] schestowitz: Noted. [12:52] schestowitz [12:45] I wonder which are their IRC handles/nicks [12:54] schestowitz [12:53] schestowitz: thank you for the information. what's their benefit doing this? [12:54] schestowitz [12:54] Garrett (mjg59) reportedly directly messages some people in IRC, unsolicited, presenting them with shrewdly-crafted and loaded questions about pedophilia (they ignore and report this), so it's possible he does it elsewhere to. And we know what he wants. He and others. See their petition. They want to cancel all the "ENABLERS" or RMS, in effect disbanding the FSF. [12:59] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) ● Mar 24 [13:17] *inky (~inky@141.136.78.75) has joined #techrights [13:23] *ivanq has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [13:35] *koo5 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [13:38] schestowitz [13:11] schestowitz: And I guess Arthur_S and Helios2 are both already IRC nick names, right ? [13:38] schestowitz [13:18] schestowitz: It seems Arthur_S's account is relatively new, since it doesn't have a cloak, Helios2 doesn't even have an account. [13:38] schestowitz [13:37] those two accounts are the same, and the person is new in our IRC channel [13:49] schestowitz [13:46] lol, some people have strange hobbies ● Mar 24 [14:07] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [14:07] *mmu_man (~revol@82-65-227-82.subs.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [14:20] *koo5 (~koo5@78-80-25-163.customers.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [14:30] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [14:30] DaemonFC[m] https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/covid-19-hong-kong-clinic-punished-pfizer-biontech-over-sinovac-14479802 [14:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.channelnewsasia.com | Hong Kong clinic punished for recommending Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine over China's Sinovac - CNA [14:31] DaemonFC[m] Then they stopped using Pfizer and said some of the caps on the vials were defective right after this. [14:31] DaemonFC[m] So, forcing everyone to take Sinopharm or nothing. [14:34] DaemonFC[m] MinceR The Orbanians were buying up a bunch of that I think. [14:34] MinceR yeah [14:42] schestowitz who can blame them? [14:42] schestowitz Look what Europe has been doing [14:42] schestowitz lots of nations sign secret deal for monopolies [14:42] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: can you paste here what the troll told you? [14:42] schestowitz I am researching this [14:43] schestowitz [14:43] * schestowitz leaves due to tolls [14:44] techrights-bot ...there are now trolls in the FSF IRC channel. Trolling the FSF in the IRC channel isn't cool and reaffirms my thoughts about the "cancel RMS" brigade. [14:57] techrights-bot The Tactics Against Popular Movements Have Hardly Changed http://techrights.org/2021/03/24/derailing-movements/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW #FBI gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/24/derailing-movements/ [14:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Tactics Against Popular Movements Have Hardly Changed | Techrights ● Mar 24 [15:27] techrights-bot NEWS #Techdirt #NorthCarolina Legislators Push Bill That Would Prevent Cops, Prosecutors From Charging Six-Year-Olds For Picking Flowers https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210319/13081346457/north-carolina-legislators-push-bill-that-would-prevent-cops-prosecutors-charging-six-year-olds-picking-flowers.shtml [15:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-North Carolina Legislators Push Bill That Would Prevent Cops, Prosecutors From Charging Six-Year-Olds For Picking Flowers | Techdirt [15:29] techrights-bot #zdnet now pushing #microsoft #malware for #gnu #linux ... yet again. SJVN pushing back doors for GNU/Linux ("Defender") and after systematic defamation of RMS they push/urge GNU/Linux users to install something that lets Microsoft spy on them and control their systems! #boycottZDNet http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/ZDNet [15:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet - Techrights [15:30] techrights-bot #SJVN of #zdnet is a #PieceOfWork http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/sjvn-senior-moment/ [15:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | One Year Later Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols Libel Against Richard Stallman Remains Online and Uncorrected at ZDNet | Techrights [15:31] techrights-bot #zdnet : let's kill RMS and put #microsoft #malware in #gnu #linux And now FSFE: we take money from Microsoft and #google so RMS sucks (just ignore our sponsors! [15:32] techrights-bot FSFE isn't supposed to use the letters "FSF" http://techrights.org/2020/08/22/fsf-fsfe-dispute/ [15:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Leak: FSF/FSFE Trademark Dispute (FSF Demanding That FSFE Should Change the Organisations Name) | Techrights [15:33] techrights-bot Stop Calling the FSFE Free Software Foundation (Theres No Direct Connection) http://techrights.org/2020/09/05/fsf-is-not-fsfe/ [15:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Stop Calling the FSFE Free Software Foundation (Theres No Direct Connection) | Techrights [15:34] techrights-bot The Relationship Between #FSF and #FSFE http://techrights.org/2020/09/05/fsf-and-fsfe/ [15:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Relationship Between FSF and FSFE | Techrights [15:34] techrights-bot Leak: Richard Stallman (RMS) Was Betrayed by Matthias Kirschners FSFE, Which Closely Connected With People Who Attack Stallman http://techrights.org/2020/08/23/back-stabbing-richard-stallman/ [15:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Leak: Richard Stallman (RMS) Was Betrayed by Matthias Kirschners FSFE, Which Closely Connected With People Who Attack Stallman | Techrights [15:35] techrights-bot Leak: #FSFE and #OSI Coordinate Rubbing Off #FreeSoftware by Saying Open Source is the Same (Its Not, Same False Argument From 20 Years Earlier) http://techrights.org/2020/08/23/osi-fsfe-collusion-and-coordination/ [15:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Leak: FSFE and OSI Coordinate Rubbing Off Free Software by Saying Open Source is the Same (Its Not, Same False Argument From 20 Years Earlier) | Techrights [15:36] techrights-bot What people looking to "cancel" RMS really (REALLY) think about people with disabilities http://techrights.org/2020/10/11/osi-and-rms/ [15:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Open Source Initiative Cannot Lecture People on Manners and Tolerance (and Probably Never Could) | Techrights [15:48] Ariadne i agree that FSFE has no business commenting on RMS when they have their own skeletons to deal with [15:54] techrights-bot FSFE is just a #monopolies satallites at this stage, weaponised against the FSF -- a name it is NOT supposed to be borrowing. http://techrights.org/2020/08/22/fsf-fsfe-dispute/ [15:55] schestowitz Ariadne: +1 [15:55] techrights-bot Lets Get the Free Software Foundation on Gemini Space! http://techrights.org/2021/03/24/gemini-space-perfect-fit-for-fsf/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/24/gemini-space-perfect-fit-for-fsf/ [15:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Lets Get the Free Software Foundation on Gemini Space! | Techrights [15:56] Ariadne i also question why OSI invited themselves to the party [15:57] Ariadne like, they don't really have anything tangible to contribute to this discussion [15:57] techrights-bot #FSFE = satellites for #monopolies http://techrights.org/2020/09/05/fsf-and-fsfe/ http://techrights.org/2020/09/05/fsf-is-not-fsfe/ http://techrights.org/2020/08/23/osi-fsfe-collusion-and-coordination/ http://techrights.org/2020/08/23/back-stabbing-richard-stallman/ http://techrights.org/2020/10/11/osi-and-rms/ [15:57] Ariadne though, i did sign The Letter(tm) [15:57] schestowitz Ariadne: they have profoudn issues [15:57] schestowitz OSI [15:57] schestowitz they have NO leadership [15:57] schestowitz nobody at the wheel [15:57] schestowitz nobody [15:58] schestowitz they can't even do elections [15:58] schestowitz Patrick left [15:58] schestowitz in a hurry [15:58] schestowitz and they don't even know how to maintain their wiki, apparently [15:58] schestowitz so they figured, let's get noticed by doing a blog post [15:58] schestowitz and it merely proved RMS right on OSI being an attack on him/FSF, not a complement [15:58] schestowitz Perens and RMS are talking [15:59] schestowitz I know because they told me [15:59] Ariadne my reasons for signing The Letter(tm) had everything to do with RMS screaming at interns during libreplanet because the stage was arranged wrong [15:59] schestowitz so the concern about OSI is shared among OSI's co-founders [15:59] Ariadne and showing solidarity with friends who still maintain GNU software who want change [15:59] schestowitz that's OK [15:59] schestowitz different people sign for different reasons [15:59] Ariadne i think it is important to show solidarity with friends who are doing the hard work of keeping all of this going [15:59] schestowitz I don't generalise [15:59] schestowitz the list categorises a bit ● Mar 24 [16:00] *schestowitz gives voice to polezaivsani [16:00] schestowitz welcome, polezaivsani [16:01] schestowitz the #fsf channel was being trolled today [16:01] Ariadne personally i think FSF is the past [16:01] schestowitz so we're a bit overprotective at this time [16:01] schestowitz Ariadne: it was bigger in the past [16:01] schestowitz but there are still issues to be tackled [16:01] Ariadne i have yet to see any evidence showing FSF is going to pivot in a positive direction [16:01] Ariadne we will see [16:01] Ariadne to me, i think the work of actually producing and maintaining free software is more important [16:01] schestowitz GNU does that [16:02] schestowitz GNU is supported by FSF [16:02] schestowitz the licences also [16:02] Ariadne GNU does *some* of that [16:02] schestowitz for that alone we need to keep the FSF strong [16:02] schestowitz I use tons of GNU tools [16:02] schestowitz you do too [16:02] schestowitz maybe not on alpine [16:02] schestowitz but each time you access an instance with gnu and linux you use gnu programs [16:02] Ariadne i still use GNU tools, but not because they are GNU tools [16:02] Ariadne i use whatever tools i can get that are the best i can get for the task [16:03] Ariadne there are a lot of GNU tools that are not good [16:03] Ariadne gcc is not in a good state [16:03] polezaivsani suppose you know by now, but just in case - there is a petition in support of RMS, alas github - https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ [16:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rms-support-letter.github.io | A open letter in support of RMS. | An open letter in support of Richard Matthew Stallman being reinstated by the Free Software Foundation [16:04] Ariadne we now track GCC release branches in git because its the best way to get fixes [16:04] Ariadne polezaivsani: yes, and i support people to sign that letter if they agree with it [16:04] Ariadne sign whatever you want to sign, say whatever you want to say [16:05] Ariadne this is how a democratic society works [16:05] schestowitz polezaivsani: yes, I don't think these petitions will accomplish anything [16:05] schestowitz the dust will settle [16:05] schestowitz the FSF's site already lists his as Board Member [16:05] Ariadne ultimately, GNU maintainers will have to make a decision [16:05] schestowitz I try to focus on other issues pertaining to sw freedom [16:05] Ariadne that is the only decision that really matters [16:06] schestowitz a petition on microsoft proprietary software monopoly is sort fo self-discrediting anyway [16:06] schestowitz I am trying not to spend time doing articles on this topic [16:07] schestowitz just quick mention, rebuttals in link form [16:07] schestowitz all this is old news [16:07] schestowitz repurposed dirt [16:07] schestowitz so we mostly have rebuttals and analyses (accumulated for 18 months) [16:07] Ariadne GNU maintainers can choose to invoke clause 2 in their copyright assignment agreements with FSF and "fork out" of GNU/FSF [16:08] Ariadne if they do not want RMS as leader, that is what they will ultimately do [16:08] *mmu_man (~revol@82-65-227-82.subs.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [16:08] Ariadne and if that is what they believe in their heart, then they should rightly do it [16:08] techrights-bot #GNOME 40 Desktop Environment Officially Released, This Is Whats New http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149167 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #GTK [16:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME 40 Desktop Environment Officially Released, This Is Whats New | Tux Machines [16:09] techrights-bot Hurrah! #Ubuntu 21.04 Fixes a Glaring Deficiency http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149168 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Hurrah! Ubuntu 21.04 Fixes a Glaring Deficiency | Tux Machines [16:09] Ariadne so, that's going to be the thing to look at, imo [16:10] Ariadne the rest of this is just clownworld [16:10] techrights-bot Bibliography improvements in #LibreOffice Writer http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149169 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Bibliography improvements in LibreOffice Writer | Tux Machines [16:10] schestowitz Ariadne: it'll blow over [16:10] XRevan86 Ariadne: But isn't The Letter actually very harsh especially if the reasons are RMS not being a gentleman? [16:10] schestowitz the petition [16:11] schestowitz people will move on [16:11] schestowitz the dust will settle [16:11] schestowitz maybe by today's end [16:11] Ariadne XRevan86: i wouldn't have composed it the way they did [16:11] schestowitz Torvalds too can be harsh [16:11] schestowitz saying code is "Crap" [16:11] Ariadne XRevan86: but i mostly agree with it [16:11] XRevan86 i.e. disproportionate [16:11] schestowitz instead of "not beautiful [16:11] schestowitz or "could be improved" [16:11] schestowitz we recently saw what happens when bad code gets merged in [16:11] Ariadne or, more precisely, i agree with GNU maintainers wanting to complain about their boss [16:12] Ariadne i support their speech [16:12] schestowitz emergency releases as data is lost of h/w gets bricked [16:12] schestowitz no boss is prfect [16:12] schestowitz RMS is far from perfect [16:12] schestowitz in many ways [16:12] schestowitz but he is the originator of the project [16:12] schestowitz he committed no crime [16:13] schestowitz If we cannot be compassionate to some degree [16:13] schestowitz then we deserve no real leadership [16:13] schestowitz and then it's hard to coordinate things [16:13] XRevan86 Ariadne: "We are calling for the removal of the entire Board of the Free Software Foundation" [16:13] XRevan86 "We are also calling for Richard M. Stallman to be removed from all leadership positions, including the GNU Project." [16:13] Ariadne XRevan86: yes, i agree with that. they engaged in chicanery. [16:13] schestowitz Alpine has virtual hierarchy [16:14] schestowitz Ariadne: those statements are self-discrediting [16:14] schestowitz for the petittioners [16:14] schestowitz they call for collective punishment [16:14] schestowitz which is historically a very notorious concept or method [16:14] schestowitz like butchering a whole village [16:14] schestowitz for the action of one person [16:14] Ariadne they believe the board voted on an issue that should not have been raised [16:14] schestowitz using collective accountability as weapon of mass oppression [16:14] Ariadne thusly, they believe the board is flawed [16:14] XRevan86 Ariadne: Chicanery? In what way? I guess by making the people who don't like RMS think they got rid of them? [16:15] Ariadne XRevan86: it was a surprise vote [16:15] techrights-bot #GNOME 40 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149170 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #GTK [16:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME 40 released | Tux Machines [16:15] Ariadne the board was not made aware of it, lxoliva just raised the issue out of the blue [16:15] techrights-bot Installing #OpenSUSE Leap 15 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149171 #GNU #Linux #SUSE [16:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Installing OpenSUSE Leap 15 | Tux Machines [16:15] Ariadne this is, not a healthy board any way you look at it [16:16] techrights-bot #Ubuntu 20.10 Wallpaper is Revealed And Its Hairy! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149172 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #freeSW [16:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 20.10 Wallpaper is Revealed And Its Hairy! | Tux Machines [16:16] Ariadne FSF should have had a conversation with their donors about this before implementing it without even telling staff [16:16] schestowitz FSF supporters agree with this [16:16] schestowitz and GNU [16:16] schestowitz based on IRC [16:16] XRevan86 Ariadne: Hm, O.K., I see your point. But now the trick is that this open letter doesn't make that point or at least doesn't make it visible enough, because that's not the focus for them. [16:17] schestowitz as was reported to me [16:17] Ariadne some FSF and GNU people agree with it [16:17] schestowitz it's the media egging people on, pushing old lies [16:17] Ariadne but there was no actual discussion [16:17] schestowitz like that "Door sign" stuff [16:17] Ariadne and there are FSF and GNU people who signed the letter [16:17] Ariadne so clearly, they did *not* agree [16:17] schestowitz what proportion? [16:17] schestowitz 10 out of 1000? [16:17] schestowitz more? [16:18] schestowitz "the 1%" [16:18] XRevan86 The letter is more about RMS being an evil person who should be removed from society. [16:18] Ariadne i would say about 30% of the signature list are FSF/GNU affiliated [16:19] techrights-bot #GNOME 40 Released with Major Design Change. Heres Whats New. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149173 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #GTK [16:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME 40 Released with Major Design Change. Heres Whats New. | Tux Machines [16:20] schestowitz FSF is only about 20 people max [16:20] schestowitz has any FSF >MEMBER OF STAFF< signed? [16:21] Ariadne yes [16:21] Ariadne several previous FSF staff who were involved in writing GPLv3 signed [16:21] Ariadne i think i saw one or two current FSF staff too [16:22] Ariadne i don't really care what FSF board does though or who is on it [16:22] Ariadne that's not why i signed it [16:22] Ariadne i am well aware nothing will come of it [16:22] XRevan86 Ariadne: So, to me, it looks like this letter is not healthy either. [16:22] schestowitz I share that view, Ariadne, it'll just make a point [16:22] Ariadne great [16:22] Ariadne don't sign it [16:22] schestowitz and then we will move on [16:23] Ariadne sign the RMS support letter if you want [16:23] schestowitz we had an anti-Microsoft/Novell deal pettiion [16:23] Ariadne does not matter to me [16:23] schestowitz Perens set it up [16:23] schestowitz years later it would go offline and nobody remembers that 2006 petition [16:23] schestowitz only Internet Archive [16:23] schestowitz I even signed it before BN existed [16:23] Ariadne if GNU people really care about this, they will invoke clause 2 of their copyright assignment agreement with FSF and "fork out" of GNU [16:23] schestowitz >some< GNU people [16:24] schestowitz and that lacks momentum [16:24] schestowitz hence the trolling in IRC [16:24] schestowitz that I saw this morning [16:24] schestowitz trying hard to get people to visit microsofthub [16:24] schestowitz and sign that page [16:24] schestowitz because they mostly lost momentum [16:24] Ariadne "GNU people" there meaning "individual GNU maintainers" [16:24] Ariadne either way, it would be nice to see the board change radically [16:24] schestowitz [16:22] Ariadne: So, to me, it looks like this letter is not healthy either. [16:24] schestowitz it is divisive [16:25] schestowitz which I guess is the intention [16:25] Ariadne it would be nice also for FSF staff and management to be released from their NDAs [16:25] schestowitz it's like Sarah Meit gitified [16:25] schestowitz "Let's kill the WHOLE FSF!" [16:25] XRevan86 Ariadne: I'm not shunning you for having an opinion, but this letter being worded as it is matters a lot. [16:25] schestowitz with guilt by association, too [16:25] schestowitz *Mei [16:25] Ariadne XRevan86: as i said, i would have written it differently [16:25] schestowitz the person who wrote the letter clearly blackmails the FSF [16:25] Ariadne i just wanted to support the GNU maintainers who i mentored in their expression of free speech [16:25] schestowitz for someone else's words [16:25] schestowitz and that's not cool [16:26] *schestowitz does not sign petition he does not 100% agrees with [16:26] schestowitz *agree with [16:26] Ariadne i agree with it [16:26] schestowitz like anti-UPC petition [16:26] Ariadne but i am also realistic [16:26] schestowitz if it says something like, let's do it better [16:26] schestowitz UPC as a whole should do [16:26] schestowitz no "better" to it [16:26] schestowitz as it's a bad idea [16:27] schestowitz that's a problem with petitions [16:27] schestowitz people have varied reasons [16:27] schestowitz putting many names under a statement made by one person is no good [16:27] schestowitz people have different objectives, objections, etc. [16:27] schestowitz based on what you say, you sign a statement you partly do not agree with [16:27] schestowitz some people contacted me after they had seen your name there [16:28] schestowitz and I said it's OK [16:28] Ariadne no, i agree with the entire board of FSF needing to go [16:28] schestowitz but they assume the words of collective punishment/vengeance/blackmail are yours, by extension [16:28] Ariadne the organization needs a complete reboot, and that's the only way it's going to happen [16:28] schestowitz it cannot happen [16:28] schestowitz too disruptive [16:28] schestowitz that's a coup [16:29] schestowitz "reboot" is nice on paper [16:29] schestowitz but there are workflows [16:29] schestowitz it's a living organisism [16:29] XRevan86 schestowitz: That's why an opening statement should try to be objective. [16:29] schestowitz you can deal with one departrure at a time [16:29] schestowitz otherwise it's total disarray [16:29] schestowitz see OSI [16:29] schestowitz they cannot even run elections of properly edit their wiki [16:29] schestowitz it's a clusterfunk [16:29] schestowitz *or properly [16:29] XRevan86 and not soaking a person into poop [16:30] schestowitz they also made false claims [16:30] schestowitz like "ableism" [16:30] schestowitz it's the people who signed this letter [16:30] schestowitz e.g. SImon Phipps (OSI) [16:30] schestowitz who are guilty of abelism [16:30] Ariadne RMS did suggest aborting people with downs syndrome and compared having a child with downs syndrome to having a pet [16:30] schestowitz against RMS HIMSELF!!!! [16:30] schestowitz See http://techrights.org/2020/10/11/osi-and-rms/ [16:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Open Source Initiative Cannot Lecture People on Manners and Tolerance (and Probably Never Could) | Techrights [16:30] Ariadne yes, i don't like the "RMS has autism" excuse [16:31] schestowitz so the hypocrisy, I found, it so astounding I cannot help but laugh [16:31] schestowitz Ariadne: many share that view [16:31] schestowitz see the Palin debates [16:31] schestowitz over having a disabled kid [16:31] Ariadne that ethical question is not one i am qualified to consider [16:31] schestowitz the pro-/-for choice or "pro-life" (spin) debate is toxic [16:31] schestowitz and divisiv [16:32] schestowitz yet everyone everywhere has a view on abortion [16:32] Ariadne i wish i could abort myself out of this conversation :) [16:32] schestowitz RMS wakes up, reads guardian [16:32] schestowitz has a view [16:32] schestowitz sometimes even sends it to the guardian [16:32] Ariadne i agree with what you're saying [16:33] schestowitz posts a few thoughts in his personal site [16:33] schestowitz what if he happens to be slightly intoxicated too? [16:33] Ariadne like i said, i wish they had used different points to make their point [16:33] XRevan86 Ariadne: I know the feeling. [16:33] schestowitz Or angry/furious? [16:33] schestowitz should we treat all people that way? [16:33] Ariadne well i think it is good to hold leaders to a high standard [16:33] schestowitz or crucify them? [16:34] Ariadne crucify, no [16:34] Ariadne i guess, here's the thing [16:34] Ariadne lets say there is somebody who is not RMS, but similar [16:34] Ariadne and they come and participate in Alpine [16:35] Ariadne they choose subordinates and then frequently contradict their own subordinates [16:35] techrights-bot Stable Kernels: 5.11.9, 5.4.108, 4.19.183, 4.14.227, 4.9.263 , and 4.4.263 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149174 #Kernel #Linux #TuxMachines [16:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stable Kernels: 5.11.9, 5.4.108, 4.19.183, 4.14.227, 4.9.263 , and 4.4.263 | Tux Machines [16:35] Ariadne they scream at interns [16:35] Ariadne we would kick that person out of Alpine [16:35] Ariadne we *have* kicked people like that out of Alpine [16:35] schestowitz he did anger management [16:36] schestowitz after some outbursts in the past [16:36] schestowitz Torvalds too was turned in to manners training [16:36] schestowitz and then came back [16:36] schestowitz it takes humility [16:36] schestowitz at least they do it [16:36] schestowitz now LT is back in LF [16:36] schestowitz and kernel.or [16:36] Ariadne well i am happy for him, but respect is earned/regained [16:36] schestowitz RMS is chief of GNU and maybe soon Pres. of FSF [16:37] schestowitz Ariadne: he became more mellow this past 1-2 years [16:37] Ariadne if i acted like that, i would not just come back a year later, i would be shitlisted [16:37] schestowitz in his communications, whose style changed [16:37] schestowitz the ego of LT is worse [16:37] schestowitz but that's not the point [16:37] schestowitz my strength, I think, is my very low temper [16:38] schestowitz I smile at bad news, which is an opportunity to rebut [16:38] Ariadne anyway, my point is [16:38] Ariadne had this been handled differently [16:38] Ariadne had RMS sat down and had a candid discussion with folks [16:38] schestowitz I am proud to be booted from Twitter for objecting to vaccines hoard by rich countries [16:38] Ariadne i don't think any of this would be happening [16:38] schestowitz Ariadne: they would find something else on him [16:38] schestowitz it would be relentless [16:38] Ariadne if he has learned from experience -- great! [16:39] Ariadne schestowitz: that's the problem with being a leader [16:39] Ariadne it comes with the territory [16:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 15.63 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 43.01 swarm size (avg): 153.92 [16:39] schestowitz "Microsoft [16:39] schestowitz has been working for decades to disparage RMS and to try to get [16:39] schestowitz [16:03] a self-renewing attack atmosphere against him. Notice what happened, for exampe, [16:39] schestowitz [16:03] with the Takeda prize. [16:39] Ariadne what matters is the morale of the troops [16:39] Ariadne and you can see the morale is not one of enthusiasm [16:39] schestowitz I paid more attention to RMS after CompTIA attacked him [16:40] schestowitz and I know it was a front for Microsoft [16:40] schestowitz the attacks on him are sometimes counterproductive [16:40] schestowitz which is why I said putting this petition on MSFT proprietary software monopoly is self-defeating [16:40] schestowitz people are led to conclude those people do exactly the opposite of what GNU and FSF recommend [16:41] schestowitz GNU gave GitHub an F! [16:41] schestowitz Source: https://www.gnu.org/software/repo-criteria-evaluation.en.html [16:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | GNU Ethical Repository Criteria Evaluations - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation [16:41] schestowitz so the people who hang in there, e.g. setting up petition, are no friends of GNU [16:41] schestowitz and Microsoft can spy on the whole process [16:41] schestowitz e.g. to game people [16:42] schestowitz lots of "BI" to be done there [16:42] schestowitz it's like they handed over control over the anti-RMS brigade to Microsoft ^_^ [16:42] schestowitz I'm glad they did [16:42] schestowitz because they shoot themselves in the foot [16:43] schestowitz Ariadne: as for morale, as you had brought that up [16:43] schestowitz I planned to say: [16:43] schestowitz morale in society has logn been declining [16:43] schestowitz 2008 financial crisis [16:43] schestowitz people not sure if they'll ever reach pension age and, if so, if they can afford to retire [16:43] schestowitz many are not employed [16:43] schestowitz the future is anything but bright [16:44] schestowitz and climate closing down on many in poor countries with water shortages, even famine [16:44] schestowitz some lack access to vaccines [16:44] schestowitz they are indefinitely stuck at home [16:44] schestowitz Manila for example [16:44] schestowitz morale in GNU is no worse than in the "IT" 'industry' [16:44] schestowitz where few companies on Pentagon steroi.. budget hoarded all the market [16:44] schestowitz newsrooms die [16:45] schestowitz all "social" network stuff and "ad revenue" is hoarded by the "screen time" monopolisers [16:45] schestowitz people see a 5-inch 'phone' screen instead of real friends they can embrace [16:45] schestowitz "but I got 5 LIKES!" [16:45] Ariadne anyway [16:45] schestowitz GNU is doing OK [16:46] schestowitz Free software is OK [16:46] schestowitz relatively [16:46] schestowitz more people use it [16:46] schestowitz over time [16:46] Ariadne i would say most signatories to that letter are doing so to show solidarity with the annoyed GNU maintainers who wrote a letter last time [16:46] schestowitz Even Azure is becoming a farce [16:46] schestowitz Ariadne: fine, good... [16:46] schestowitz but... we move on [16:46] schestowitz I know I will [16:46] schestowitz I promised myself not to do any articles about it [16:46] schestowitz or videos [16:46] Ariadne it does not matter to me practically either way [16:47] schestowitz the news is VERY slow today [16:47] schestowitz except gnome 40 [16:47] Ariadne there's nothing newsworthy about either letter [16:47] schestowitz yeah, just two pages [16:47] Ariadne just people expressing their opinion [16:47] schestowitz nobody will care about them after april 1st [16:47] Ariadne exactly [16:47] schestowitz I have some German leaks coming [16:47] schestowitz EPO corruption and perjury [16:47] schestowitz in April [16:49] techrights-bot NEWS #EFF #Facebook Treats Punk Rockers Like Crazy Conspiracy Theorists, Kicks Them Offline https://www.eff.org/takedowns/facebook-treats-punk-rockers-crazy-conspiracy-theorists-kicks-them-offline [16:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Facebook Treats Punk Rockers Like Crazy Conspiracy Theorists, Kicks Them Offline | Electronic Frontier Foundation [16:49] schestowitz the only real news this week was, RMS is back to the Board [16:49] schestowitz now confirmed by their Web site [16:49] schestowitz Techrights covered that first, got 90k views [16:49] schestowitz and on we move now [16:49] schestowitz "that's how it is..." [16:52] techrights-bot NEWS #meduza #ru #russia Russias federal censor says #Twitter is removing banned content too slowly https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/03/23/russia-s-federal-censor-says-twitter-is-removing-banned-content-too-slowly [16:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE [16:54] techrights-bot #Manjaro 21.0 'Ornara' is out now with Xfce, KDE and GNOME http://tuxmachines.org/node/148984#comment-28775 #gnu #linux [16:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Manjaro 21.0 (rc1) Ornara released! | Tux Machines [16:57] techrights-bot #GNOME 40 Released with Redesigned Overview, #Touchpad Gestures + More http://tuxmachines.org/node/149170#comment-28776 #gnu #linux [16:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | GNOME 40 released | Tux Machines ● Mar 24 [17:03] *MinceR gives voice to XFaCE [17:03] XFaCE @schestowitz, hi roy [17:03] schestowitz hi Gord [17:04] XFaCE Long time no talk. [17:04] XFaCE Glad to see as foundations come and go you are as consistent in your ethics as ever. [17:05] XFaCE *foundations in the general sense, not the organizational sense [17:06] schestowitz yeah [17:06] schestowitz ethics is subjective [17:06] schestowitz depends on upbringing [17:06] schestowitz we have dogs as pets [17:06] schestowitz we eat cows [17:06] schestowitz anything they claim about compassion is selective [17:06] schestowitz "be compassionate towards me" [17:07] schestowitz "or else I will incompassionately destroy your career" [17:07] schestowitz XFaCE: you have some drafts still [17:07] schestowitz about copyright in canada [17:07] schestowitz not sure if you ever publish it, but it's a decade old [17:07] schestowitz I remember you and I tested Jitsi before it was known as Jitsi [17:07] schestowitz SIP Communicator [17:08] schestowitz then you had to focus on your studies [17:08] XFaCE > not sure if you ever publish it, but it's a decade old [17:08] XFaCE yeah, it was all for not as the machine of corporatism continued unabated [17:08] schestowitz Geist is still active [17:08] XFaCE Yeah, Jitsi is so much better now. [17:08] schestowitz in that area [17:08] XFaCE Yeah [17:08] schestowitz we link to his blog a lot [17:09] XFaCE I notice, you get pings in his comment sections [17:09] schestowitz I hear OBS is also good, but have not tried it [17:09] schestowitz XFaCE: those pings are "old school" [17:09] schestowitz when people used blogs more [17:09] schestowitz some people want to get back to it, and ought to [17:10] XFaCE it's funny you say that, as there's a momentum in that direction [17:10] XFaCE rediscovery of things like bbs [17:11] XFaCE > ethics is subjective [17:11] schestowitz gemini [17:11] XFaCE More to highlight that you have not allowed corruption in what you truly believe to be correct based on ideals and evidence [17:11] schestowitz ipfs [17:11] schestowitz like new p2p [17:11] schestowitz and new gopher [17:11] schestowitz blogs [17:12] schestowitz Ariadne thought about doing a blog like Groklaw [17:12] XFaCE Oh groklaw [17:12] schestowitz I looked into telnet+BBS last year [17:12] schestowitz it's too tricky to set up and maintain [17:12] XFaCE I miss how they IP-outed Microsoft trolls [17:12] XFaCE not sure how legal that was under privacy laws... but it was effective [17:13] schestowitz Groklaw was offline for 3 months [17:13] schestowitz came back again as static site [17:13] schestowitz with missing pages and sometimes no comments [17:13] schestowitz aging of web stacks if a problem [17:13] schestowitz *is [17:13] schestowitz and new versions of things add bloat and 'feature' you do not need or want [17:13] schestowitz groklaw is based on geeklog [17:13] schestowitz which afaik is no longer maintained [17:14] schestowitz that's why simple and old tech is often appreciated in the long run [17:14] schestowitz I use IRC right now. When I bought my first modem IRC was the first thing I did. DALNet IIRC. [17:15] schestowitz today's 'phones' become 'incompatible' with "apps" a few years after purchase... if they physically last that long [17:15] schestowitz anyway, back to news now..... [17:15] XFaCE I have to say, I prefer the old TR look at techrights.org/?stories compared to the home page [17:15] XFaCE biased probably due to nostalgia [17:16] techrights-bot The deeply defunct and intolerant OSI has no members of staff (only one interim member of staff) but it has the audacity to sign hypocritical petitions at #Microsoft s #GitHub #Techrights #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/24/osi-should-elect-a-leader/ [17:16] XFaCE Is Eric S Raymond affiliated with OSI still? [17:17] techrights-bot History may not repeat itself. But it rhymes, as the old saying goes http://techrights.org/2021/03/24/derailing-movements/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/24/derailing-movements/ [17:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Tactics Against Popular Movements Have Hardly Changed | Techrights [17:19] techrights-bot The fast-growing #Geminispace (capsules that serve pages over Gemini protocol) is a perfect fit or a great complement for the FSFs Web site (the pages are easy to copy across); we take a look at the sorts of benefits this would entail http://techrights.org/2021/03/24/gemini-space-perfect-fit-for-fsf/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techright [17:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Lets Get the Free Software Foundation on Gemini Space! | Techrights [17:20] schestowitz in 2013-2020 it was techrights.org/home [17:20] schestowitz drupal [17:20] schestowitz XFaCE: no, and his site broke down [17:20] schestowitz the DB [17:21] schestowitz he posted a widely cited post [17:21] schestowitz on windows rebuilt with linux [17:21] schestowitz and I assume the traffic killed it [17:22] MinceR welcome back, XFaCE [17:22] schestowitz :-) [17:22] MinceR also, i prefer the old TR look as well [17:22] schestowitz the latest stories one? [17:22] MinceR yes [17:23] schestowitz that can be done.. [17:23] XFaCE Also there was some omitted content with Firefox reading view for some reason [17:23] XFaCE on one of the articles I was reading [17:24] schestowitz odd... [17:24] schestowitz which page? [17:27] XFaCE One of the FSFE articles [17:27] techrights-bot #EPO trying to distract from corruption and illegal appointment of judges https://www.epo.org/news-events/news/2021/20210324a.html see http://techrights.org/2021/03/18/boa-rendered-kangaroo-court/ [17:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.epo.org | EPO - EPO continues oral proceedings by videoconference in examination and opposition during pendency of referral G 1/21 [17:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Patent Professionals Have Come to Realise That the EPO Boards of Appeal, Controlled by Office Management, Are Kangaroo Courts | Techrights [17:27] XFaCE http://techrights.org/2021/02/15/fsfe-sick-leave-hypocrisy/ [17:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Matthias Kirschner, Jonas Oberg & FSFE: Paternity, Maternity, Sick Leave Hypocrisy | Techrights [17:28] schestowitz XFaCE: can you still find it? Maybe we need to correct something.. [17:28] XFaCE just did [17:28] schestowitz what do you see? [17:28] schestowitz in read* mode? [17:28] schestowitz I see the complete article [17:28] XFaCE one sec, I can screenshot if necessary [17:29] XFaCE oh wait, not firefox [17:29] XFaCE brave [17:30] schestowitz ah, not gecko [17:31] XFaCE yeah, basically after "To recap the sequence of events:" it goes right to the leaks [17:31] techrights-bot "sued a law firm for legal malpractice." https://patentlyo.com/hricik/2021/03/enforceability-arbitration-malpractice.html It happens soooooo often. #techrights catalogued many such stories.... [17:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Enforceability of Clauses Requiring Arbitration of Malpractice Claims: Plummer v. McSweeney | Patently-O [17:32] XFaCE the list is omitted [17:32] schestowitz maybe a browser bug [17:32] schestowitz blink-based browser render it ok [17:32] schestowitz same for gecko [17:34] XFaCE yeah, and this is on lineageos too [17:34] techrights-bot #patent system as instrument for merely enriching agents but excluding everyone else (not good, #uspto ... NOT GOOD AT ALL) https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/03/pretty-stiff-language.html [17:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Pretty Stiff Language Here | Patently-O [17:34] XFaCE I think the Brave reading mode on android is still experimentalish [17:35] techrights-bot #PinePhone Beta Edition Linux smartphone is now available for pre-order for $150 and up http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149175 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PinePhone Beta Edition Linux smartphone is now available for pre-order for $150 and up | Tux Machines [17:38] XFaCE @schestowitz, I have a pinephone [17:40] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: kode54, one of the signers to Cancel RMS on ShitHub, gives a landing page on his site to Brave users telling them why they should boycott Brave. [17:40] DaemonFC[m] mjg59, who I have ignored because he spams me now, pointed at a post by RMS saying that the government should not be able to outlaw art and works of fiction. [17:41] DaemonFC[m] Which is true. It's highly subjective and there definitely isn't a real victim involved. [17:41] DaemonFC[m] In the next sentence, RMS said that people who abuse actual children or possess imagery of such should be punished by the legal system for it. [17:41] techrights-bot #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149176 #google #Linux #TuxMachines [17:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [17:42] DaemonFC[m] But outlawing art is sort of bleeding over into thought crime. [17:42] schestowitz XFaCE: is it any good? [17:42] DaemonFC[m] It's impossible to police people's thoughts and thoughts are very different than actions. [17:43] DaemonFC[m] For example, we've all thought (hopefully briefly) about killing someone who made us angry. [17:43] schestowitz anyway, don't play his hand [17:43] DaemonFC[m] Does that mean that if the government one day develops a mind reading device, that it should inflict capital punishment on anyone who has had a homicidal thought? [17:43] schestowitz don't bring up the subject here [17:43] schestowitz this is a trolling tactic [17:43] schestowitz as someone might respond with a different view [17:44] schestowitz XFaCE: we don't do 'phones' anymore [17:44] schestowitz just cordless landlines [17:44] XFaCE Hardware is dated [17:44] XFaCE but the flexbility is good [17:44] DaemonFC[m] They talk of fMRI as a potential precursor to one day having the ability to read someone's thoughts. [17:44] XFaCE you can basically use it as a normal keyboard [17:44] schestowitz XFaCE: depends what you need from it [17:44] DaemonFC[m] Their cooperation will not be required. [17:44] schestowitz I said when covid-19 lockdowns started: [17:44] schestowitz that people would not be as mobile [17:45] schestowitz maybe for years to come [17:45] DaemonFC[m] Maybe they could hook up mjg59 and see if he's ever beaten off while thinking of something not good. [17:45] DaemonFC[m] Or wanted to kill someone. [17:45] schestowitz thus, the need for mobility decreased [17:45] XFaCE err [17:45] XFaCE normal computer [17:45] DaemonFC[m] Then they can punish him severely! [17:45] schestowitz wires connections became apriority [17:45] schestowitz laptop sales soared [17:45] XFaCE holy crap is my typos annoying of late [17:45] schestowitz it's iRC [17:45] schestowitz typOs no ma55ers [17:46] DaemonFC[m] Everyone, every single person, has thoughts that they do not want in their head. [17:46] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: people with empty lives want to suck the life out of other people [17:46] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: don't feed that sociopath [17:46] DaemonFC[m] The difference is whether they control thoughts before they lead to inappropriate actions. [17:46] schestowitz and seeing their stupid petition goes nowhere [17:46] schestowitz (FSF added RMS to their Board pages and all) [17:46] schestowitz he's now trying the same on us [17:46] schestowitz just waiting for some chance to cancel a "consolation prize" [17:47] Chaekyung lmao https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2021/mar/23/outreachy-fsf/ [17:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sfconservancy.org | On the Recent Announcement by FSF's Board of Directors - Conservancy Blog - Software Freedom Conservancy [17:47] schestowitz trolls [17:47] Chaekyung In response to Sunday's announcement by the Free Software Foundation, we ceased our few remaining activities that intersect directly with the FSF. Most notably, our Outreachy member project exited the FSF from participating in that program both through mentorship and sponsorship. One project participant in Outreachy's May 2021 round planned to rely on FSF funding. We will not accept those funds [17:47] Chaekyung from the FSF, and instead Conservancy will pay for that intern ($6,500) from our own general funds. It is my deepest hope that these actions, along with others all over the FOSS community, will catalyze much needed changes at the FSF. [17:47] schestowitz ignore them [17:47] schestowitz FSF made a mistake [17:47] DaemonFC[m] Outreach to Nasty Women is no longer participating? [17:47] schestowitz they gave an AWARD to bkuhn [17:47] DaemonFC[m] I'm sure that'll be a big loss. [17:48] Chaekyung >be mad [17:48] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/03/20/bradley-kuhn-fsf-award/ [17:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why Does the FSF Keep Rewarding People Who Work Against the FSFs Founder? | Techrights [17:48] Chaekyung >save the FSF $6500 in wasted money [17:48] Chaekyung not sure how that's a bad thing [17:48] schestowitz hornet's nest [17:48] DaemonFC[m] Nothing like paid internships that only go to people with sex organs on the inside. That's totally equality and won't foster any resentment at all! [17:48] schestowitz they even hired mjg59's co-troll [17:48] schestowitz to troll as full-time staff [17:48] schestowitz trolling became a career for some [17:48] schestowitz appalling I know [17:49] schestowitz SFC condemning FSF proves FSF did something right [17:49] schestowitz SFC takes money from Microsoft [17:49] schestowitz and breeds trolls [17:49] DaemonFC[m] What's abhorrent is treating people better based on being female and non-white. [17:49] DaemonFC[m] Then telling white men who get angry that they're just a bunch of Neanderthals. [17:50] DaemonFC[m] Do it yourself, earn what you have. Then you get respect. [17:50] schestowitz not the point [17:50] schestowitz they do worse things [17:50] schestowitz not the outreachy thing [17:50] DaemonFC[m] Quit trying to short circuit the process, you know? [17:50] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/11/03/the-harassment-claims-in-full/ [17:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Outreachy as Hush Money (Bribe) From Monopolies | Techrights [17:50] schestowitz bribery disguised as "being nice to women" [17:50] Chaekyung well, Europeans are a bunch of Neanderthals. [17:50] schestowitz that's like US Army bombing [17:51] schestowitz "for women" [17:51] Chaekyung that includes women [17:51] DaemonFC[m] Outreachy is one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen in my life. [17:51] schestowitz for "women's rights" [17:51] schestowitz even hires a few women to do the bombinb [17:51] DaemonFC[m] They pretty much bankrupted GNOME and forced Red Hat to bail it out. [17:51] DaemonFC[m] That was funny I guess. [17:51] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/11/29/outreachy-explained-by-minority-female/ [17:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Sincere Thoughts About Outreachy | Techrights [17:51] schestowitz even women I correspond with complain about Outreachy [17:52] schestowitz not to mention those who mentored for Google http://techrights.org/2021/02/10/outreachy-coc-diversity-results-debian/ [17:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Does Outreachy and a Code of Conduct Increase Diversity? Case Study From Debian | Techrights [17:52] schestowitz SFC is circling down the drain based on OBJECTIVES [17:52] schestowitz if they objective is raising money from monopolies, then good [17:52] schestowitz FSFE and SFC will net that money as long as they're useful to them [17:52] schestowitz then they'll dump them [17:53] Chaekyung Do you know where they score on the funding side of things? [17:53] schestowitz Brad and Karen will need to find new careers [17:53] schestowitz maybe 2-3 years left [17:53] DaemonFC[m] There's not as big of a gender divide as there used to be, but professional trolls are trying to rip open old wounds and cost us 20 years of progress just so they have something to complain about, I think. [17:53] schestowitz for them to be "useful" to the sponsors (the money is not a gift; there are conditions) [17:53] DaemonFC[m] Same as CNN and Fox News working the race thing from different angles. [17:53] DaemonFC[m] Neither one of them telling the truth. [17:53] schestowitz corporate media has another agenda [17:53] schestowitz similar to Google's [17:54] schestowitz rile up genders against one another [17:54] schestowitz then the same for race [17:54] schestowitz nobody pays attention to Bezos making $7 million an hour TAX FREE [17:54] schestowitz because women hate men [17:54] schestowitz and men hate them back, and vice versa [17:54] schestowitz so who cares about that scrawny greedy dude? [17:54] DaemonFC[m] CNN is talking about black people refusing the vaccine because they think they're being experimented on again, and then at the same time, "We opened a vaccine clinic to reduce inequality and then those horrible white people piled in to take the appointments that were going unfilled!". [17:54] DaemonFC[m] Can you believe this shit? [17:55] schestowitz but [17:55] schestowitz let me interject [17:55] schestowitz their grievance is based on half truths [17:55] DaemonFC[m] I don't see any sort of cruel racist experimentation going on here. [17:55] schestowitz because they DID and still DO get experimented on [17:55] Chaekyung They show off a 2018 US 990 form on their about page, Software Freedom Conservancy makes 2.6 million, so 2.6x more than the FSF https://sfconservancy.org/docs/conservancy_Form-990_fy-2017.pdf [17:55] schestowitz like CIA using Polio vaccines to spy in Pakistan [17:55] schestowitz and in turn you wonder why people reject the jabs? [17:56] DaemonFC[m] The consent form basically says anyone who takes it is volunteering for an experiment, as there are no "fully approved" vaccines for COVID. [17:56] schestowitz Bill Gates did lots of vaccine experiments in Africa and India [17:56] schestowitz even illegal vaccines, not approved by FDA or similar [17:56] schestowitz in dodgy places with no regulation [17:56] *tr_guest|29109 (4fdbab4c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.79.219.171.76) has joined #techrights [17:56] DaemonFC[m] We're somewhere between Phase 2 and 3 clinical trials on the Pfizer one I took. [17:56] *schestowitz gives voice to tr_guest|29109 [17:56] schestowitz Pfizer has issue [17:56] schestowitz many who take the first shot refuse to take the second [17:56] schestowitz maybe due to the reaction [17:57] schestowitz so they cannot even administer the second dose [17:57] schestowitz but that's off topic [17:57] schestowitz back to the GNOME and SFC thing [17:57] DaemonFC[m] The CDC says <5%. [17:57] DaemonFC[m] The second was actually better than the first one for me. [17:57] schestowitz thanks for participating [17:57] schestowitz please report at the till [17:57] DaemonFC[m] I did have labs drawn for something else though. [17:58] schestowitz Chaekyung: yes, lots of money passes through SFC [17:58] DaemonFC[m] I noticed that my Neutrophils were WAY up vs. usual, but still within normal range. [17:58] schestowitz we covered that in TR before [17:58] Chaekyung Karen M. Sandler $160,470 [17:58] Chaekyung not bad for a years work [17:58] schestowitz "discount!" [17:59] schestowitz in Baltimore [17:59] schestowitz how much is rent there? [17:59] schestowitz $10 a year? [17:59] schestowitz maybe more [17:59] DaemonFC[m] If you have to ask.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA! [17:59] DaemonFC[m] That's the rent in Baltimore. [17:59] schestowitz dependent on their lifestyle demands? [17:59] DaemonFC[m] Worse than Chicago. [17:59] polezaivsani DaemonFC[m]: res shithub, there http://shithub.us is actually a thing, as imo is way better than the thing you meant :) [17:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-shithub.us | Shithub: the fragrant git host ● Mar 24 [18:00] schestowitz better than shitholecountry.us [18:00] schestowitz seeing that MAGA nations now has people who no running water [18:00] schestowitz how classy [18:00] schestowitz and people have their homes raided for assets [18:01] *tr_guest|29109 has quit (Client Quit) [18:04] DaemonFC[m] Maybe people don't try to buy a home or save for retirement because the hospital will go there to steal from you after they get the court order. [18:04] DaemonFC[m] Just a thought. [18:04] DaemonFC[m] There really ought to be a law that at least exempts "necessities of life" from garnishment by medical collectors. [18:04] DaemonFC[m] This is barbaric. [18:06] techrights-bot Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149177 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [18:09] schestowitz way to take ALL people's assets BACK from them [18:09] schestowitz emptying the coffers of the middle class [18:09] schestowitz under the guise of "health" and "Safety" and "saving/protecting life" [18:13] Ariadne schestowitz: remember when we used to dunk on icaza together on twitter [18:13] Ariadne :D [18:13] Ariadne times were so simpler back then [18:13] schestowitz de icaza? [18:13] Ariadne ya [18:14] schestowitz his buddy now runs the exploitation of freesw [18:14] schestowitz after xamarin failed [18:15] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/10/11/nat-friedman-proprietary-software/ [18:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GitHubs Nat Friedman Defended Proprietary Software at Novell, So Why Not at Microsoft? | Techrights [18:25] techrights-bot #Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149178 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [18:25] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149179 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [18:25] techrights-bot #OpenHardware /Modding/Programming http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149180 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware/Modding/Programming | Tux Machines [18:26] techrights-bot Links 24/3/2021: Krita 4.4.3, GNOME 40, and Stable Kernels http://techrights.org/2021/03/24/gnome-40/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/24/gnome-40/ [18:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 24/3/2021: Krita 4.4.3, GNOME 40, and Stable Kernels | Techrights [18:31] XFaCE https://www.cjr.org/criticism/gates-foundation-journalism-funding.php [18:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cjr.org | Journalisms Gates keepers - Columbia Journalism Review [18:31] XFaCE schestowitz, you probably saw this before ● Mar 24 [19:15] MinceR https://full.pr0gramm.com/2021/02/15/d20be887631b3f0a.jpg [19:21] *inode (~inode@unaffiliated/inode) has joined #techrights [19:30] DaemonFC[m] https://wgntv.com/news/pope-cuts-pay-for-cardinals-citing-pandemics-effect-on-vatican-budget/ [19:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | Pope cuts pay for cardinals, citing pandemics effect on Vatican budget | WGN-TV [19:53] DaemonFC[m] https://wgntv.com/news/utah-governor-signs-divisive-measure-to-require-porn-filters-on-all-cellphones-and-tablets/ [19:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | Utah governor signs divisive measure to require porn filters on all cellphones and tablets | WGN-TV [19:58] *inode (~inode@unaffiliated/inode) has left #techrights ● Mar 24 [20:00] superkuh Oh Utah... you're so silly. [20:00] superkuh Also the state with the highest porn usage. [20:11] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, they tried to shut down stores that sold it at various points too. [20:11] DaemonFC[m] Then the hearing had to be shut down because one of the people trying to go after a particular shop for selling porn got the dirty movies he'd rented in his hotel room released under public records. [20:12] DaemonFC[m] He'd paid for them with tax money I think. [20:13] DaemonFC[m] Glad I pay sales and income tax so they can rent porn and stay in hotels while holding hearings on the public health threats of porn. [20:13] DaemonFC[m] For everyone else, that is. Screams Governor Newsom and The French Laundry to me. [20:17] DaemonFC[m] Fox News reported on a man in his 20s charged with rape and trespassing for "living under a teenaged girl's bed for three weeks" and "holding her down and forcing her to have sex with him". Like, they only mention rape as in the name of the criminal charge. [20:17] DaemonFC[m] Then they go out of their way to inject the notion that he was really basically an inconvenience or something. 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See http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/ [20:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and Five Eyes Collusion for Back Door Access) | Techrights [20:57] techrights-bot #OpenRazer 3.0.0 expands with many new Razer devices supported on Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149076#comment-28781 #linux #hardware [20:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenRazer 3.0 Released For Supporting Many More Razer Peripherals Under Linux | Tux Machines ● Mar 24 [21:01] techrights-bot #GNOME40 - The biggest update to GNOME since GNOME 3, and probably the best one http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149170#comment-28782 #gnu #linux [21:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME 40 released | Tux Machines [21:02] techrights-bot #GOverlay gets another small release to help you manage tools like #MangoHud https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/goverlay-gets-another-small-release-to-help-you-manage-tools-like-mangohud [21:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GOverlay gets another small release to help you manage tools like MangoHud | GamingOnLinux [21:08] DaemonFC[m] https://static01.nyt.com/images/2021/03/24/us/24virus-briefing-miami-covid19-2/merlin_185384736_95249165-191b-4c21-8ae5-e8e5dfae49ca-superJumbo.jpg [21:08] DaemonFC[m] Meanwhile, in Florida. [21:19] schestowitz yes, well.. [21:19] schestowitz not our focus [21:21] techrights-bot #Games : Tangledeep, GOverlay, Ion Fury, Rolled Out! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149183 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Tangledeep, GOverlay, Ion Fury, Rolled Out! | Tux Machines [21:21] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149184 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [21:23] CrystalMath everyone with github accounts, sign https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ [21:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rms-support-letter.github.io | An open letter in support of RMS. | An open letter in support of Richard Matthew Stallman being reinstated by the Free Software Foundation [21:27] superkuh But it's github. :( [21:53] techrights-bot #Manjaro 21.0 Ornara Comes Packed With #GNOME 3.38, KDE Plasma 5.21, Xfce 4.16 and Linux Kernel 5.10 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149139#comment-28784 [21:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Manjaro Linux 21.0 "Ornara" Released with Linux 5.10 LTS, KDE Plasma 5.21, and Pamac 10 | Tux Machines [21:56] techrights-bot #GNOME 40 Is Here With Radical Design Changes and Improvements to the Desktop Experience http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149170#comment-28785 #gnu #linux [21:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME 40 released | Tux Machines [21:57] schestowitz superkuh: those petitions will be forgotten in a few days [21:57] schestowitz let's press on [21:57] schestowitz and cover news [21:57] schestowitz the real news was, RMS is back [21:57] schestowitz "and that's just how it us..." [21:57] schestowitz *is [21:58] schestowitz bonus [21:58] schestowitz if we promote the pro-RMS page [21:58] schestowitz we make a sort of "fight" [21:58] schestowitz or "competition" [21:59] schestowitz potentially egging on more people to feed the "kill the FSF" petition [21:59] schestowitz if we mention neither, we move on ● Mar 24 [22:00] superkuh I agree. [22:00] schestowitz just ime [22:00] schestowitz imo [22:00] schestowitz experience and opinion [22:00] schestowitz if we keep mentioning this stuff, it'll stay in people's mind [22:00] schestowitz and cause split, anger [22:00] schestowitz it's divisive [22:00] schestowitz I saw to more people this evening who wrote against him [22:00] schestowitz same people who did the last time [22:01] schestowitz it feels like "re-runs" [22:01] schestowitz of sept. 2019 [22:01] schestowitz and the facts have in facts not changed at all [22:01] schestowitz it's not about something he said or did in 2020-21 [22:01] schestowitz I upload a video right now [22:01] schestowitz it's about EPO abuse [22:01] schestowitz much more important than a phony old "controversy" from 2 years ago [22:02] schestowitz also, that's where all this rage/anger should be directed [22:02] schestowitz not some almost-70-year-old saying something poorly in an MIT internal mailing list [22:02] schestowitz weeks after a Bill Gates pedo scandal was making the media... because of MIT e-mails [22:03] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/08/11/gates-mit-letter/ [22:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Proof (Archived Original Letter): Bill Gates Lied to the New Yorker, BBC and Others About Connection of MIT Money to Mr. Jeffrey Epstein and Their Close Relationship | Techrights [22:03] schestowitz [18:31] https://www.cjr.org/criticism/gates-foundation-journalism-funding.php [22:04] schestowitz bribery, not funding [22:04] schestowitz he did this to The Verge [22:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Resolving timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.cjr.org/criticism/gates-foundation-journalism-funding.php ) [22:04] schestowitz he does this when a paper criticises him [22:04] schestowitz and then they either delete it or never do it again [22:05] CrystalMath schestowitz: do you know a figofive? [22:05] techrights-bot Recognition of the fact, from #patent maximalists, that many granted #USPTO #patents are in fact fake and will learn to disappointment https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/03/senators-tillis-and-cotton-propose-sequenced-examination-approach.html [22:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: Senators Tillis and Cotton Propose Sequenced Examination Approach [22:07] techrights-bot FOSS Patents: Component-level licensing of standard-essential patents most controversial subtopic of European Commission webinar on FRAND licensing and valuation http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/03/component-level-licensing-of-standard.html see http://techrights.org/2020/07/10/frand-sep-scam/ [22:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Component-level licensing of standard-essential patents most controversial subtopic of European Commission webinar on FRAND licensing and valuation [22:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | European FRAND (Related to SEP) Proponent and Famed Programmer Comes to Realise That Its Actually a Scam | Techrights [22:07] schestowitz CrystalMath: no [22:09] techrights-bot More #fakepatents and #patentTrolls referred to #ptab and this one sounds, based on the description, like #swpats (the usual nonsense) https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/3/24/2000-awarded-for-sanderling-412-prior-art [22:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | $2,000 Awarded for Sanderling '412 prior art Unified Patents [22:11] CrystalMath schestowitz: he said he's affiliated with techrights [22:11] schestowitz LOL zini http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149083#comment-28786 [22:11] schestowitz zini [22:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good News! Richard Stallman is Back at Free Software Foundation | Tux Machines [22:11] schestowitz that a-hole [22:12] schestowitz after lying about people [22:12] schestowitz they have no shame [22:12] schestowitz CrystalMath: maybe figosdev? [22:12] CrystalMath yes perhaps [22:12] CrystalMath i remember that nick somewhat [22:14] schestowitz why? [22:14] schestowitz where? [22:14] schestowitz is he back? [22:15] CrystalMath https://wrongwithfreesw.neocities.org/olivas-crimes---in-defence-of-oliva.html [22:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wrongwithfreesw.neocities.org | everything wrong with free software [22:15] CrystalMath he gave me this [22:15] CrystalMath and left [22:15] CrystalMath he said that if i ask to contact him he will appear [22:15] techrights-bot Oh. NO, no! Not again, #itsfoss ... if you support FOSS, don't help #microsoft push #proprietarySoftware into Linux... it's also a #gnu #linux back doors via repos. [22:15] CrystalMath kinda interesting, reminds me of Mr. X from the X files [22:16] CrystalMath i just tape an X on my window and figosdev contacts me :P [22:16] techrights-bot Of course #microsoft #zdnet is totally pushing Microsoft back doors into #gnu #linux and people should just #boycottZDNet http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/ZDNet [22:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet - Techrights [22:17] schestowitz CrystalMath: he keeps deleting his email accounts [22:17] CrystalMath yeah, really secretive [22:18] schestowitz where did he contact you? [22:18] schestowitz I know he's still around [22:18] schestowitz but he broke up with everyone [22:18] schestowitz and then he sort of wants to come back [22:18] schestowitz but it would refute the breakup wish [22:18] schestowitz I think MinceR commenting on some dietary issue annoyed him greatly [22:19] CrystalMath over PMs, he said he's been following me on this channel [22:19] schestowitz corporate media [22:19] schestowitz oops [22:19] schestowitz http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149083#comment-28787 [22:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good News! Richard Stallman is Back at Free Software Foundation | Tux Machines [22:19] schestowitz "Controversial programmer Richard Stallman returns to FSF board" [22:20] schestowitz ah, maybe over IRC logs [22:20] schestowitz we have some lurkers [22:20] schestowitz ok, upload finished [22:20] schestowitz bbiab, need to write about EPO [22:23] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [22:30] CrystalMath https://itwire.com/open-source/debian-to-vote-on-backing-stallman-s-ouster-as-an-organisation.html [22:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Debian ponders vote as an organisation on backing Stallman's ouster [22:33] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has left #techrights [22:33] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [22:33] schestowitz why link directly? [22:33] schestowitz this is his 4th attack on RMS [22:33] schestowitz not so much 'journalism' [22:33] schestowitz he just hates RMS [22:34] schestowitz and mass tags everyone [22:35] schestowitz he even quotes people from Microsoft [22:35] schestowitz trying to fuel the fire [22:35] schestowitz anyway, let's move on [22:35] schestowitz maybe 5 debian devs complained about RMS in blogs [22:35] schestowitz maybe a few more signed [22:35] schestowitz but there are hundreds of devs [22:35] schestowitz the vast majority had no interest in this [22:35] MinceR debian has "developers"? :> [22:35] schestowitz let's move to actual news [22:35] schestowitz MinceR: molly de blanc [22:35] schestowitz spreading for chris lamb [22:36] schestowitz the son of a british barrister [22:36] MinceR it must take a lot of skill and effort to delete rc scripts and copy what fedora does [22:36] MinceR oh, and to attack RMS [22:36] schestowitz who sends lawyers after people who expose some facts [22:36] schestowitz MinceR: well, debian used to be better, I think [22:36] schestowitz the DD bar was lowered [22:36] MinceR indeed it used to be [22:36] schestowitz so people who never coded can become a dd [22:36] schestowitz (molly) [22:36] MinceR past tense :> [22:37] schestowitz bbiab [22:37] schestowitz MinceR: can you help check my english? [22:37] MinceR i can try [22:37] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/03/24/unlawful-attacks-on-eba/ [22:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Management Bombards the News Section to Distract From Unlawful Attacks on the EPOs Highest Tribunal (This Time in G 1/21) | Techrights [22:38] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has left #techrights [22:38] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [22:39] polezaivsani re fsf nonminating bkuhn - http://techrights.org/2021/03/20/bradley-kuhn-fsf-award/ says they did the same for OpenBSD. Can somebody shed some more lights on that instance? [22:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why Does the FSF Keep Rewarding People Who Work Against the FSFs Founder? | Techrights [22:40] *foss-advocate (459208de@69.146.8.222) has joined #techrights [22:40] schestowitz polezaivsani: I asked yesterday [22:40] *schestowitz gives voice to foss-advocate [22:40] schestowitz have not checked email since yesterday [22:41] schestowitz sfc (buhn) has again attacked FSF [22:41] foss-advocate hey folks [22:41] schestowitz "thanks for the award, FSF" [22:41] MinceR i don't know if the word "pendency" exists, but it could be legal jargon for all i know [22:41] schestowitz "now kill yourself, FSF" [22:41] schestowitz MinceR: it is [22:41] schestowitz spellcheckers don't like it [22:41] schestowitz foss-advocate: hu [22:41] schestowitz hi [22:41] foss-advocate I'm psymin. I'd like to make an acct on techrights, also maybe to have voice :) [22:41] schestowitz not a freudian slip, promise, MinceR [22:42] MinceR :) [22:42] MinceR i don't know if "proceeds to defaming them" should be "proceeds to defame them" [22:42] schestowitz yeah, will amend [22:42] schestowitz foss-advocate: account for the blog? [22:42] MinceR that's all i've found [22:43] schestowitz thanks! [22:43] foss-advocate Just saw that I didn't have voice, so I thought I needed an acct on the website. Made one for the wp site, but I guess that isn't it. No biggie. [22:43] MinceR np [22:43] foss-advocate is there a reason psymin has no voice? [22:43] *MinceR gives voice to psymin [22:43] psymin yay! [22:43] MinceR he left and joined recently [22:43] MinceR and we didn't notice [22:43] *foss-advocate has quit (Client Quit) [22:45] psymin Saw you posted about debian supporting RMS. Thought that was an interesting bit of news. [22:46] schestowitz I'm very open to articles about RMS [22:46] schestowitz but I want not to spend much time on it myself [22:46] schestowitz bbiab [22:46] schestowitz my view is, let is slide [22:47] schestowitz people will move on [22:47] schestowitz RMS is now listed in the FSF's site [22:47] schestowitz it's a done deal [22:47] schestowitz I want to focus on unresolved issues [22:48] techrights-bot #EPO Management Bombards the News Section to Distract From Unlawful Attacks on the EPOs Highest Tribunal (This Time in G 1/21) http://techrights.org/2021/03/24/unlawful-attacks-on-eba/ #Techrights #europe #corruption gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/24/unlawful-attacks-on-eba/ [22:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Management Bombards the News Section to Distract From Unlawful Attacks on the EPOs Highest Tribunal (This Time in G 1/21) | Techrights [22:48] schestowitz the whole thing can be summarised as follows [22:48] schestowitz some fools and misled people get angry at "old angry man" for something he said 2 years ago [22:49] *psymin nods. [22:49] schestowitz the real and sole news is, he came back to FSF, in a public role [22:49] schestowitz techrights got 90k views on that article [22:49] schestowitz he gave an interesting talk [22:49] schestowitz about some mobile OSes [22:50] schestowitz nobody talks about his talk [22:50] schestowitz they distract from the message [22:50] schestowitz it's a method [22:50] schestowitz "look at the beard" [22:50] psymin makes sense [22:50] schestowitz "he's not thin" [22:50] schestowitz "he looks at her funny" [22:55] DaemonFC[m] "People furiously complaining about RMS being excluded for social rather than technical reasons, while ignoring RMS excluding LLVM from GNU for social rather than technical reasons" -Garrett [22:55] psymin I'm curious about the LLVM issue [22:55] DaemonFC[m] A compiler that shits out buggy and poorly optimized code that was developed mostly as a way to bypass GPL. = Social [22:56] psymin "Apache 2.0 License with LLVM exceptions" Hmm. [22:56] DaemonFC[m] As the GNU compiler (at least for C) gets better, I haven't seen much of an argument for LLVM. It seems stagnant, at least the Clang part. [22:56] DaemonFC[m] A program crashes when you build it with Clang and debugging it kills the debugger too long before you get to anything suspect. [22:56] XRevan86 Why would GNU need LLVM? [22:56] DaemonFC[m] It doesn't. [22:57] psymin sounds like a gpl3 issue? [22:57] DaemonFC[m] The dynamic code generation capabilities of LLVM are useful in certain contexts. [22:57] DaemonFC[m] But it's not something where you'd want to compile your whole OS with it using Clang or something and then ship it. [22:57] MinceR what does "excluding LLVM from GNU" even mean? what effects does it have, if any? [22:57] DaemonFC[m] Because then you'd be dealing with more bugs and worse performance and no clue as to how to support your users. [22:57] psydroid I always run out of memory with clang, even with a single thread [22:58] DaemonFC[m] Apparently, that's fine with OpenMandriva, and more "Linux" people are pushing it too. [22:58] psymin do the llvm exceptions honor the four software freedoms? [22:58] DaemonFC[m] Why not? They push GNOME and SystemD. [22:58] DaemonFC[m] In for a penny, in for a pound. [22:59] DaemonFC[m] GNOME....It's fucking horrible. But just in case you get any funny ideas, tosses Wayland in like a grenade we'll break KDE too.... [22:59] DaemonFC[m] -Red Hat ● Mar 24 [23:00] DaemonFC[m] Some dumbasses got together and decided to write a shell that's worse than Windows 10 Explorer. (GNOME) [23:00] psymin RMS's objection to LLVM licensing sounds reasonable [23:00] schestowitz oh wow [23:00] schestowitz I left for a moment [23:00] schestowitz and we have a meaningful conversation [23:00] schestowitz about the real issues [23:00] schestowitz and what makes people angry at RMS [23:00] DaemonFC[m] Someone said you couldn't write a display setup that was more terrible than DWM+GDI. [23:00] psymin oh, schestowitz is back, time to log out ;) [23:00] DaemonFC[m] Red Hat said hold my beer. [23:00] MinceR i think the cupertino mafia already did [23:01] schestowitz what did LLVM say in MIT mailing lists 2 years ago? :-p [23:01] DaemonFC[m] Oh, I just tell most people to use Kubuntu these days if they want something that installs and stays working. The LTS version! [23:01] MinceR ew [23:02] DaemonFC[m] At least that one is conservative enough that they can actually stop and fix glitches when the latest broken crap lands in the upstream (from IBM, by way of Debian). [23:02] MinceR they didn't, though [23:02] DaemonFC[m] As it pertains to the desktop, which is what the user interacts with. [23:02] MinceR they didn't stop kde4.0 and they didn't stop systemd [23:02] MinceR i actually moved from *ubuntu to debian to get away from kde4 for a while [23:03] psymin I'm unfamiliar with the kerfuffle with kde4.0, but I also have to go [23:03] DaemonFC[m] Oh, you can hate Clang for lots of reasons before you even touch the licensing of it and LLVM or the "politics". [23:03] MinceR kde4.0 was a half-baked non-release and the kde people said so [23:03] MinceR kubuntu jumped on it as soon as they could [23:03] DaemonFC[m] It's a centerpiece example of how companies will dump resources into something that works worse than an existing solution to bypass GPL though. [23:03] psymin I am familiar with some annoying upgrade paths with kde [23:03] MinceR but then, it turned out the kde people were never interested in actually fixing kde4 [23:03] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [23:04] MinceR 4.3 was advertised as "finally stable and as good as 3.5" [23:04] schestowitz I still use kde4 on one laptop [23:04] MinceR it was neither [23:04] *psymin waves. [23:04] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:04] schestowitz 4.5 maybe [23:04] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [23:04] DaemonFC[m] KDE in Fedora is in even worse shape now than when KDE 4.0.2 (I think) landed. [23:04] *MinceR gives voice to GNUmoon2 [23:05] DaemonFC[m] Considering that there hasn't even been a major rewrite of anything in KDE lately, that tells you it's purely because of changes to the underlying OS and the fact that nobody is adapting KDE to the changes for the Fedora release it winds up in. [23:05] DaemonFC[m] So this goes well beyond hold onto your hat. [23:05] MinceR hold onto your red hat [23:05] MinceR also, if you expect fedora to have stable releases, the joke's on you [23:06] MinceR same if you expect any other systemd distro to have stable releases [23:06] DaemonFC[m] Yes, it's too unstable to depend on for a matter of days or weeks now. [23:06] DaemonFC[m] Don't even consider months or years. [23:06] XRevan86 It's a pity Biden rejected Putin's offer on making debates. [23:06] MinceR what point would have been there to it? [23:06] DaemonFC[m] It's not even worth spinning it up in a virtual machine unless you're a tech review blog who wants to point out that Fedora with KDE is falling apart. [23:07] XRevan86 I would've loved to see Putin debating with anyone who doesn't depend on him. [23:07] DaemonFC[m] Which most of them have done already. [23:07] MinceR well, i guess putler would have done it like his puppy orban did [23:07] XRevan86 MinceR: Huge entertainment value. [23:07] MinceR do it a few times and then never again [23:07] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: I don't understand how it all fits together, the people packaging it don't, the people writing it don't either. [23:08] DaemonFC[m] At least there's something we all have in common. [23:08] MinceR debating is too much of an intellectual exertion for our nazis to do with anyone [23:08] techrights-bot "This license introduces a time-delay for the commercial use of its code for up to two years. After this, the code will remain as an open-source GPL license allowing other projects to build upon it."https://www.coinspeaker.com/uniswap-version-3-launch/ [23:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.coinspeaker.com | Ethereum-based Decentralized Exchange Uniswap Unveils Timeline for Version 3 Launch [23:08] MinceR (also, they've lost every debate they've had) [23:08] techrights-bot "This license introduces a time-delay for the commercial use of its code for up to two years. After this, the code will remain as an open-source GPL license allowing other projects to build upon it."https://www.coinspeaker.com/uniswap-version-3-launch/ [23:08] XRevan86 MinceR: I think Biden might've thought that Putin has an ace in his sleeve, but it's hard to imagine. [23:09] MinceR novichok? [23:09] XRevan86 hah [23:09] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: The clinic in Hong Kong that posted a side by side comparison of the Chinese vaccine that Orban bought for you guys and the Pfizer one, and then recommended the Pfizer one, got shut down by the government. [23:09] DaemonFC[m] Then the PRC Puppet, Carrie Lam, said there was nothing wrong with the Chinese one. [23:09] MinceR :> [23:09] XRevan86 This reminds me of the famous Lyubov Sobol' v. Xenia Sobchak debates. [23:09] MinceR i've heard the khuilo didn't dare disclose which vaccine he got [23:09] DaemonFC[m] Then the PRC says "There's some problems with the Pfizer lids and none of you can have the Pfizer one now.". [23:10] techrights-bot #AMD : Radeon, EPYC, Gallium3D http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149185 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [23:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD: Radeon, EPYC, Gallium3D | Tux Machines [23:10] XRevan86 MinceR: Pieskov said it's one of the three Russian ones. [23:10] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: Communists would never lie to you. [23:10] DaemonFC[m] :D [23:10] MinceR lol [23:10] XRevan86 it's probably KoviVak. [23:10] MinceR he's a nazi, not a communist [23:10] MinceR not much of a difference, though :> [23:10] DaemonFC[m] COFEFEVAC [23:10] MinceR just different gods and symbols [23:10] DaemonFC[m] ERRR COVFEFEVAC, that would be, I guess. [23:11] MinceR XRevan86: does pieskov have evidence for that? [23:11] DaemonFC[m] Operation Warp Speed. [23:11] XRevan86 MinceR: He's Putin's mouth. [23:11] MinceR i'm sure there are many people for whom that is evidence [23:11] MinceR but i am not one of those people :> [23:11] DaemonFC[m] This is very much a politicized vaccine now. Trump tried stealing all the credit for it, and he got Republicans saying thank god there's vaccines now, god bless you President Trump. [23:11] XRevan86 MinceR: Fair. [23:12] DaemonFC[m] Then Biden got in and the Republicans go "ONE PERSON IN THE COUNTRY DIED AFTER GETTING IT!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!". [23:12] MinceR is pieskov derived from polish pies? :> [23:12] XRevan86 MinceR: Piesok sand [23:12] DaemonFC[m] Vaccine approved by tweet. Right after threatening to fire the FDA commissioners. [23:12] MinceR :> [23:13] XRevan86 Mr. Sandman [23:13] DaemonFC[m] Republicans go "This is cutting red tape. Those people take forever to decide anything anyway!". [23:13] MinceR "i hate sand. it's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere." [23:13] DaemonFC[m] Not, "Gee, there might be a lot of data to pour over!". Drugs that go through the normal process can end up like Celebrex, Vioxx, and Darvocet. [23:14] DaemonFC[m] And that's the one that has the full testing involved. [23:14] XRevan86 MinceR: Thing is, KoviVak is an inactivated virus type of vaccine, I wouldn't be surprised if Putin trusts that enough to make a shot. [23:14] DaemonFC[m] This vaccine program is running like Microsoft. [23:14] MinceR he's a fool, then [23:14] XRevan86 and it's rolls out this week, so that's one fun coincidence [23:14] techrights-bot #microsoft -sponsored #sdtimes : "The free software community calls for the removal of entire FSF board" - This title is a lie. It's just a vocal minority making noise at Microsoft's GitHub. #proprietarySoftware #usefulIdiots [23:14] DaemonFC[m] We're basically sending out Windows Insider Builds with Full Telemetry. [23:14] XRevan86 s/it's/it/ [23:15] MinceR when the objective of vaccine production is political games and political posturing, one can't really trust that they've actually managed to inactivate all the virions, when they're not under really close scrutiny by outsiders [23:16] techrights-bot For those who think #discord has something to offer to #microsoft or vice versa... I have only one word: MIXER. [23:16] DaemonFC[m] Is it the right way to gain data? Sure. Is it the right thing to do? Well, I had a hard decision to make. As does everyone who sees the COVID disaster unfolding, which I might add could have been slowed down at least 90%, buying us time to figure out what we were dealing with a bit more. [23:16] DaemonFC[m] But we ran cruise ships and airline flights until the last possible second, and then for a few weeks after that. Now you get what you get. [23:16] XRevan86 MinceR: I'm sure they worked extra hard on his shot [23:16] MinceR i have two more words about that: skype, teams [23:16] DaemonFC[m] Roy's dealing with a similar mess over where he lives. [23:17] MinceR XRevan86: i hope they put polonium in it [23:17] MinceR it's his own medicine, after all [23:17] XRevan86 MinceR: Or a placebo :D [23:17] XRevan86 Putin, your luck, you're in our placebo group! [23:17] MinceR "if you can't force people to use your product, just buy the product they are using willingly" [23:18] MinceR XRevan86: "You're not part of the control group, by the way." [23:19] techrights-bot #suse shilling for #microsoft again https://www.suse.com/c/microsoft-sql-server-on-suse-linux-enterprise-server-new-suse-best-practices/ see http://techrights.org/2020/08/05/suse-is-still-helping-microsoft/ [23:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft SQL Server on SUSE Linux Enterprise Server: New SUSE Best Practices | SUSE Communities [23:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | SUSE is Still Pushing Microsoft Proprietary Software and Bragging About the Novell Patent Collusion With Microsoft | Techrights [23:19] XRevan86 Anyway, even though Biden rejected, Putin can still accept Musk's offer! [23:19] schestowitz http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=9960 [23:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-savannah.gnu.org | GNU Chinese Translators Team - News: Letter to support RMS [Savannah] [23:19] schestowitz " [23:19] schestowitz Dear FSF, [23:19] schestowitz I write this letter to support Dr. Richard Stallman as a board member of FSF. [23:19] schestowitz Dr. Richard Stallman has been a strong leader in Free Software Movement ever since the beginning of free software. He has been always thinking from the free software point of view, and has been constantly promoting free software and free software community. This is what we need in Free Software Foundation. This is what we need to inspire people to work for the goal of Free Software Foundation. [23:19] schestowitz I am expecting Dr. Richard Stall to do his best in FSF and wish him all the best. [23:19] schestowitz best regards, [23:19] schestowitz wxie [23:20] schestowitz " [23:20] schestowitz China's GNU community [23:20] schestowitz and translator [23:20] XFaCE I saw one Github user open a pull request to wipe the petition. [23:20] *gde33 has quit (Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/) [23:20] MinceR :) [23:21] techrights-bot #GNU Chinese Translators Team firmly behind RMS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149083#comment-28790 #freesw #rms #fsf [23:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good News! Richard Stallman is Back at Free Software Foundation | Tux Machines [23:22] XRevan86 I have a feeling my Lyubov Sobol' v. Xenia Sobchak debate reference was not understood. [23:23] MinceR it's probably not that well known [23:23] DaemonFC[m] Well, my immune system seemed to be cranking a lot of antibodies out 14 days after my first shot. [23:23] XFaCE Based on what exactly? [23:23] DaemonFC[m] It stands to reason that it would be due to the vaccine. [23:23] XFaCE Did you get tested for antibodies? [23:23] DaemonFC[m] A complete blood count. [23:24] XFaCE thx [23:24] XRevan86 MinceR: Ah, I misremembered, wrong debates :) [23:24] DaemonFC[m] It says what types of antibodies and what those counts are. [23:24] DaemonFC[m] The ones that go after viral infections are running at about double the normal level. [23:24] DaemonFC[m] Probably more than that now. [23:25] XRevan86 Lyubov Sobol' v. Valeria Kasamara debates these [23:25] MinceR well, i don't recognize either of those names [23:25] DaemonFC[m] They're discouraging people from taking long term antibody tests specific to COVID to verify that the shot worked. [23:25] MinceR why? [23:26] XRevan86 https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/05/01/bok-bok and that, in English [23:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE [23:26] DaemonFC[m] They say we need ones that specifically detect the one for the spike protein, but in theory, most of the existing tests for identifying past infections should return positive results for vaccine induced antibodies to the spike protein. [23:26] XRevan86 MinceR: Then that, Alexei Navalny v. Maria Zakharova :) [23:27] XRevan86 She's the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, by the way. [23:27] techrights-bot Some parts of #redhat web site suffer downtime at the moment. Earlier today many services of #fedora were also down. Too much outsourcing? [23:27] DaemonFC[m] The antibodies from the ones that produce spike protein are going to be somewhat different than the ones that are a result of natural disease or live inactivated SARS-CoV-2, because you'd be exposed to the entirety of the virus. [23:27] DaemonFC[m] With the latter. [23:27] MinceR XRevan86: lol [23:28] DaemonFC[m] The point of immunity to the spike protein is that's what the virus is coated with and having your immune system recognize and destroy it would destroy the virus itself. [23:28] MinceR so that's where fidSS members learned the whole approach to debates from [23:28] XRevan86 MinceR: So maybe Putin wanted the debates like Zakharova did :) [23:28] psydroid Was this their goal all along ever since they started? To fool enough people to let them think it was about community while building up fairly easily monetisable value and sell it to the highest bidder (mainly Microsoft-connected companies)? [23:28] XRevan86 - Let's debate. [23:28] XRevan86 - O.K. [23:28] XRevan86 - OH SH~~ err, um, why you decline, you jerk! [23:28] DaemonFC[m] Being just the spike protein has the advantage of "a lab fuck-up can't accidentally leave the virus intact", like MinceR pointed out is a weakness in the vaccines from India and China. [23:29] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: And KoviVak [23:29] MinceR and from russia, as far as inactivated/weakened virus vaccines go :> [23:29] DaemonFC[m] I've heard of some fuck-ups in the US at the vaccination sites. The Army accidentally injected some people with the Regeneron Monoclonal Antibodies. [23:30] DaemonFC[m] Nobody knows what happens, but they're being "monitored" now. [23:30] techrights-bot " #gitLab provides built-in integration of coverage information allowing for example reviewers to check if a MR is changing tested code or if it's increasing or decreasing the total coverage of the project." https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/blog/2021/03/24/rust-integrating-llvm-source-base-code-coverage-with-gitlab/ [23:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.collabora.com | Rust: integrating LLVM source-base code coverage with GitLab [23:30] XRevan86 There's Sputnik V which is an adenovirus vector, EpiVacCorona which is peptide antigens magic stuff and KoviVak/CoviVac. [23:30] DaemonFC[m] Then a Kroger grocery store pharmacy accidentally gave some people a saline injection with no vaccine, and they called those people back for the vaccine. [23:31] DaemonFC[m] Yes, Sputnik V and J&J sound pretty similar. [23:31] MinceR lol, placebo [23:31] DaemonFC[m] Mom insisted on J&J because she doesn't want to come back for another dose if the first one makes her sick. [23:31] MinceR there's a big difference between Sputnik V and J&J, though [23:31] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: Isn't AstraZeneca also based on that principle? [23:31] techrights-bot A lot of people do not speak out publicly in favour of RMS because the foaming-at-the-mouth "cancel mob" would accuse them of guilt by association ("you're sexist" etc.). Mobs are the real toxic thing, not RMS. [23:31] DaemonFC[m] Adenovirus vector? Yeah. [23:31] MinceR J&J dared to actually have their vaccine and quality control examined by independent authorities like the EMA [23:31] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: Sputnik V is a two-dose vaccine. [23:32] XRevan86 But there's Sputnik V Lite, which is a one-dose version :D [23:32] DaemonFC[m] Well, J&J probably would have more efficacy as a two-dose vaccine. [23:32] XRevan86 I'm not making this up. [23:32] MinceR for Sputnik V, we're supposed to just take the word of people like viktor orban [23:32] DaemonFC[m] But politicians are leaning on them to get people "acceptably" vaccinated. [23:32] MinceR who was not even a medical doctor the last time i checked [23:32] DaemonFC[m] Even if it's not the best possible protection. [23:32] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: Well, the trick for two doses is that there's a need for two adenoviruses, right? [23:33] DaemonFC[m] Yes, Sputnik V uses Ad5 and Ad26. [23:33] DaemonFC[m] The two shots are different. [23:33] XRevan86 Yea, so J&J can't really be a two-dose vaccine without some carrier changes. [23:33] DaemonFC[m] J&J went with Ad26 only because it's being pitched as one dose. [23:34] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: Do you know what AstraZeneca uses? [23:34] DaemonFC[m] If Sputnik V used exactly the same product in each dose, you might be immune to the vaccine itself when you came back. [23:35] DaemonFC[m] ChAdOx1 [23:35] MinceR i wonder what's the long term plan about these [23:35] DaemonFC[m] (Chimpanzee Adenovirus) [23:35] DaemonFC[m] For the AZ one. [23:35] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: Just one? [23:35] DaemonFC[m] Probably just keep using different cold bugs. [23:35] MinceR you get to have an Ad5 and an Ad26 vaccine once in your life, and then you look for vaccines based on other vectors? [23:35] DaemonFC[m] There's literally no end to them, right? [23:35] techrights-bot Red Hat petitioner (IBM employee): I am disgusted at RMS, he's sexist and racist and stuff, just ignore my employer having as its SECOND-LARGEST client a regime that was gassing gays for being gay and being run by sexists who sexually assaulted women (the Watsons). [23:36] DaemonFC[m] Start cycling them after immunity to the Adenovirus would have definitely worn off in the targeted population. [23:36] DaemonFC[m] Say every 5-6 years. [23:36] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: Wanna see something really weird? [23:36] MinceR and every time you risk your immune system going after the vector instead of what was intended [23:36] DaemonFC[m] There's a number of possibilities here. [23:36] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=https://life.ru/p/1386890 [23:36] techrights-bot The 10 Unix-Based Operating Systems That Arent Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149186 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #UNIX #BSD [23:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-translate.google.com | Google Translate [23:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The 10 Unix-Based Operating Systems That Arent Linux | Tux Machines [23:37] DaemonFC[m] The Adenovirus vector can't reproduce and they use "common cold" ones to begin with anyway just to be sure you'd be okay. [23:37] MinceR >macOS [23:38] schestowitz https://twitter.com/xtratricky/status/1374771749183746052 [23:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@xtratricky: The week started with Richard Stallman announcing his return to the Free Software Foundation https://t.co/v8yNXkYmvQ [23:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@xtratricky: The week started with Richard Stallman announcing his return to the Free Software Foundation https://t.co/v8yNXkYmvQ [23:38] schestowitz " [23:38] schestowitz The week started with Richard Stallman announcing his return to the Free Software Foundation http://techrights.org/2021/03/21/richard-stallman-is-coming-back-to-the-board-of-the-free-software-foundation-founded-by-himself-35-years-ago/ [23:38] schestowitz and I quickly started seeing rehashes of the exchanges from 18 months ago when he left (officially he resigned, we all know that is often with minimal volition) [23:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard Stallman is Coming Back to the Board of the Free Software Foundation, Founded by Himself 35 Years Ago (Updatedx3) | Techrights [23:38] schestowitz " [23:38] MinceR ah yes, the OS that respects the Unix principles so closely [23:38] schestowitz https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1374763895315906566 [23:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: Lunduke (ex-Microsoft): In Defense of Richard Stallman https://t.co/UBBDW9pszM [23:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Lunduke (ex-Microsoft): In Defense of Richard Stallman | Techrights [23:38] MinceR >Darwin [23:38] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: That is said by the head of the Gamaleya Research Institute Alexander Ginzburg. [23:38] MinceR "i would have included macOS 10 times on this list of 10 if i could have gotten away with it!" [23:38] XRevan86 the one that developed Sputnik V [23:38] DaemonFC[m] They have kill -9 on the multimedia daemon when it hangs itself pretty closely copied from modern Linux I'd say. [23:38] DaemonFC[m] At least according to JWZ. [23:39] *stallmansupporte (188039df@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.24.128.57.223) has joined #techrights [23:39] DaemonFC[m] Also, random garbage from the video driver on resume from standby. [23:39] MinceR >Tru64 Unix >screenshot of CDE >Cons: It lacks a graphical UI which is indeed a negative side for most users. [23:39] MinceR wtf [23:39] *schestowitz gives voice to stallmansupporte [23:39] schestowitz hi, stallmansupporte [23:39] XRevan86 > Re-vaccination against coronavirus with Sputnik V is not only not prohibited, but it may even be more effective than the initial one [23:40] MinceR what a garbage article [23:40] DaemonFC[m] There's no GUI. Here's a screenshot of the GUI! [23:40] MinceR exactly [23:40] DaemonFC[m] CDE is even open source now. [23:40] DaemonFC[m] Hasn't been maintained in a very long time. [23:40] MinceR 25 003851 <+DaemonFC[m]> They have kill -9 on the multimedia daemon when it hangs itself pretty closely copied from modern Linux I'd say. [23:40] MinceR yes, but that "modern Linux" is not Unix [23:41] MinceR or Unix-based, or Unix-like [23:41] schestowitz it's not a a very good site [23:41] stallmansupporte why does techrights.org not have a SSL cert ? is this on purpose and what is the benefit of not securing the url [23:41] schestowitz but it's detailed [23:41] schestowitz and they put a lot of work into their articles [23:41] MinceR i doubt they put a lot of work into this one [23:41] schestowitz maybe not this one [23:41] MinceR literally looking at that last entry would have tipped them off that something is seriously wrong there [23:42] XFaCE not having ssl by default can make the site compatible with older browsers and operating systems [23:42] techrights-bot A referral regarding oral proceedings by videoconference in examination and opposition during pendency of referral is yet another example of rigged legal processes at the #EPO http://techrights.org/2021/03/24/unlawful-attacks-on-eba/ #Techrights #europe #corruption gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/24/unlawful-attacks-on-eba/ [23:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Management Bombards the News Section to Distract From Unlawful Attacks on the EPOs Highest Tribunal (This Time in G 1/21) | Techrights [23:42] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: To me that statement is pure gold, because that begs the question: if that is the case, why isn't Sputnik V using the same carrier for both doses? [23:42] schestowitz [23:42] not having ssl by default can make the site compatible with older browsers and operating systems [23:43] schestowitz opposite [23:43] XRevan86 schestowitz: You probably misread [23:43] schestowitz the cert versions upwards tradeill already means an old android device cannot access many sites [23:43] schestowitz just because of some shoddy certs [23:43] XRevan86 schestowitz: https://letsencrypt.org/2020/12/21/extending-android-compatibility.html [23:43] schestowitz XRevan86: I think I did ^_^ [23:43] XFaCE I agree with XRevan86, think you got my statement backwards [23:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-letsencrypt.org | Extending Android Device Compatibility for Let's Encrypt Certificates - Let's Encrypt - Free SSL/TLS Certificates [23:44] schestowitz even for read-only sites [23:44] stallmansupporte hi @schestowitz [23:44] schestowitz I saw android devices just half a decade old [23:44] XFaCE So long as Jim Hall can access the site in Arachine, all is right with the world. [23:44] schestowitz with no support for "new" certs [23:44] schestowitz XFaCE: planned obsolescence [23:44] schestowitz toss it in the landfill [23:44] schestowitz don't be "stingy" [23:45] XRevan86 schestowitz: That's how old my device is! [23:45] schestowitz XRevan86: rianne has an old android device [23:45] XFaCE Fortunately I've avoided that paradigm [23:45] schestowitz it's not connected to a mobile network [23:45] schestowitz it's almost a decade old [23:45] XRevan86 But I've patched the certificates. Let's Encrypt certificates would work regardless. [23:45] stallmansupporte Thank you all for answering my question regarding ssl [23:46] XFaCE Bryan Lunduke made a video regarding that actually [23:46] XRevan86 stallmansupporte: Sorry, it's an old issue that still hasn't been addressed. [23:46] schestowitz but that's not the reason [23:46] schestowitz the reason is, our OS would need many changes to allow certbot and other things to be properly added [23:46] XRevan86 techrights has been using old software for that, that's being changed though. [23:46] schestowitz slowly [23:46] XRevan86 s/for that/for a while/ [23:47] techrights-bot "In late August last year, to support the transition of Firefox for Android from the old engine (fennec) to the new one (fenix), we officially introduced a tool that we build in-house called the Respond Tool to support the Play Store Support campaign." https://blog.mozilla.org/sumo/2021/03/24/play-store-support-program-updates/ [23:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Play Store Support Program Updates The Mozilla Support Blog [23:48] XFaCE And this is why one uses F-Droid and Fennec F-Droid [23:49] XRevan86 It's funny to see even Mozilla abandoning the "Daylight" branding. [23:49] XRevan86 absolutely no one picked that up [23:49] XFaCE So much that I've no idea what that is referring to [23:50] XRevan86 Absolutely everyone who wants to make that distinction uses the development codename Fenix and not the marketing name Firefox Daylight [23:50] XFaCE Daylight is akin to what Debian calls Testing? [23:50] XRevan86 XFaCE: Just as the desktop version after removing lots of XUL was called Quantum, the Android version after the rewrite was called Daylight. [23:51] techrights-bot "Linaros #96Boards specification was first introduced in 2015 with the launch of Hikey SBC following 96Boards CE specification, which CE standing for Consumer Edition." https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/03/24/96boards-consumer-edition-specification-v2-0-adds-ethernet-pcie-expansion-connectors/ [23:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | 96Boards Consumer Edition Specification v2.0 adds Ethernet, PCIe, expansion connectors [23:51] XRevan86 except that long before that the development branch was called Fenix, and so was the appid org.mozilla.fenix (now that's used for Firefox Nightly). [23:52] XFaCE What's the next version, Feni? [23:52] XFaCE Then Fen? [23:52] XFaCE Fe? [23:52] XFaCE F? [23:52] DaemonFC[m] That's what Mozilla has become. [23:53] XRevan86 The Android version codename in general is Fennec, after https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fennec_fox [23:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Fennec fox - Wikipedia [23:53] DaemonFC[m] Deadend projects, SJW, and codenames that nobody understands. [23:53] techrights-bot How the #Apache Project Boosted the #FreeSw Movement http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149187#comment-28791 [23:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Apache Software Foundation Celebrates 22 Years of Open Source Innovation "The Apache Way" | Tux Machines [23:53] XRevan86 The rewrite got called Fenix possibly as a combination of Fennec and phoenix (allusion to the original name of Firefox and something about rebirth probably) [23:54] XRevan86 Anyway, my point is, marketing made up a brand name and it didn't even live past one blogpost. [23:54] XRevan86 and the developer's codename is what everyone uses. [23:54] techrights-bot #riscv in #india http://www.itnewsonline.com/PRNewswire/Valtrix-and-Codasip-Cooperate-on-Verification-of-RISC-V-Systems/741711 [23:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itnewsonline.com | Valtrix and Codasip Cooperate on Verification of RISC-V Systems [23:55] techrights-bot The #Apache Software Foundation Celebrates 22 Years of Open Source Innovation "The Apache Way" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149187 #asf #freesw [23:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Apache Software Foundation Celebrates 22 Years of Open Source Innovation "The Apache Way" | Tux Machines [23:55] XRevan86 https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/03/24/alexey-navalny-s-health-is-deteriorating-in-prison-his-lawyer-says [23:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE [23:58] techrights-bot #FLOSSWeekly 622: Keith Packard - Freedesktop, X System https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/622 apropos: Keith Packard: Richard Stallman Was Right (About the GPL) http://techrights.org/2020/09/18/keith-packard-on-rms/ [23:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-twit.tv | Keith Packard [23:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Keith Packard: Richard Stallman Was Right (About the GPL) | Techrights [23:59] *stallmansupporte has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)