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| kingoffrance | yeah, i just do ctrl+f (forward) ctrl+b (backwards) usually .... lots of things like that i have learned "lowest common denominator" .... | May 24 00:12 |
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| kingoffrance | ctrl+i for tab, ctrl+a or e similar to home or end sometimes | May 24 00:15 |
| kingoffrance | it is better to do things properly, but for various things where i am lazy i can usually get by without page up/page down/home/end/etc. | May 24 00:16 |
| kingoffrance | i saw a laptop the other day, has no print screen/sysrq or pause/break keys IIRC .... | May 24 00:17 |
| kingoffrance | tablets or < 14" keyboards might even have more "missing" keys | May 24 00:17 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I thought it was odd that the Rothschild troll went after GNOME in the first place. | May 24 01:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GNOME puts out source code, and that's always what LAME did to avoid patent infringement lawsuits over MP3, and other software has done the same. | May 24 01:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MPEG-LA would probably sue over source code if they thought they could. | May 24 01:26 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: yeah.. | May 24 01:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Might be one reason why they gave up. | May 24 01:30 |
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| schestowitz | Finally fixed strongswan again. This VPN toolset is not easy to debug and the documentation is so technical that without being a network guru you're left baffled and aimless. Wasted no less than 3 hours of my time last night, even ruined my night's sleep. | May 24 02:45 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: 'Hungary is no longer a democracy,' says Hungarian legal scholar https://www.dw.com/en/hungary-is-no-longer-a-democracy-says-hungarian-legal-scholar/a-53442394 \ | May 24 07:10 |
| schestowitz | someone has just sent this to me | May 24 07:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-′Hungary is no longer a democracy,′ says Hungarian legal scholar | Europe| News and current affairs from around the continent | DW | 14.05.2020 | May 24 07:10 | |
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| schestowitz | > Really? Fucking assholes. | May 24 07:54 |
| schestowitz | > | May 24 07:54 |
| schestowitz | > Mozilla has a COO: Adam Seligman aka @adamseformerly of Google, Salesforce, and Microsoft. | May 24 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Yup, also many from FB. | May 24 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Shhhhh... Mozilla looooves privacy | May 24 07:54 |
| schestowitz | > The second, 10-minute half (or even the fourth, 5 minute quarter) of this video explain a great deal about what GAFAM is doing with software. | May 24 07:59 |
| schestowitz | > | May 24 07:59 |
| schestowitz | > https://invidio.us/watch?v=oVME_l4IwII | May 24 07:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invidio.us | Why is Modern Music so Awful? - Invidious | May 24 07:59 | |
| schestowitz | > | May 24 07:59 |
| schestowitz | > It's a little bit different because software design is slightly more about practical concerns than "timbral variety", but software is becoming more like pop music in a variety of ways-- most of all, the marketing angle. The part about dopamine and familiarity? Highly relevant. Something to think about, when navigating the world of GAFAM. | May 24 07:59 |
| schestowitz | I don't have time to watch it at this moment, but we could in theory embed the video in a post if you write something in long form about it. | May 24 07:59 |
| psydread | I just watched the last 5 minutes and the idea of throwaway music resonates with me as I generally consider Chromium and Firefox throwaway codebases that might serve some purpose in the here and now but should probably be discarded in favour of leaner and more hackable codebases | May 24 08:16 |
| schestowitz | too late maybe | May 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | the web is mediocre | May 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | and made for ads now | May 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | > logs | May 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | > | May 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | > I've mentioned a few examples to provide different angles to explore, but I don't think the article needs lots of examples to "prove" that software is like pop music. | May 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | > | May 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | > Rather the implications of the similarities are more what I was thinking about. Not that conditioning plays a similar role in getting people to choose Github or Microsoft JUST LIKE POP MUSIC-- rather, just like pop music, THERE IS CONDITIONING involved. | May 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | > | May 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | > I would keep the comparison-- but it's not where I would put the stress. The aspects of the comparison itself-- the manipulation-- those are interesting. The comparison itself, I find quite boring and mostly irrelevant. That's me though. | May 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | > | May 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | > The shift in overall quality that results is highly, highly relevant. The shift in control is relevant. The loss of a user's ability to determine good software from crap-- is relevant. | May 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | > | May 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | > Essentially they are re-training the user, to prefer crap, for the vendor's benefit. | May 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | > | May 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | > If you can stress that, it's a big deal. | May 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | Did you see the latest blog post from Xubuntu? I posted a link earlier.... | May 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | I think we ought to publish something about this analogy. | May 24 08:17 |
| schestowitz | "Here you can remove the IP address 84.18.207.66 from our blacklist before schedule and free of charge." | May 24 08:22 |
| schestowitz | "Remove IP address (Makes only sense if the spam source has been eliminated since it is the blacklisting reason.)" | May 24 08:22 |
| schestowitz | "Remove entry from ix.dnsbl.manitu.net" | May 24 08:22 |
| schestowitz | " The IP address 84.18.207.66 will be removed within a few minutes. You do not need to do anything more." | May 24 08:22 |
| schestowitz | I had to unblock 84.18.207.66 (mail server+more) from blacklist, is the culprit known (shared hosting)? | May 24 08:23 |
| psydread | I have recently come in touch with people who are developing text and graphical browsers for a web protocol called Gemini that is more like an updated Gopher | May 24 08:24 |
| schestowitz | sounds interesting | May 24 08:24 |
| psydread | https://gemini.circumlunar.space/ | May 24 08:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gemini.circumlunar.space | Project Gemini | May 24 08:24 | |
| schestowitz | can existing www sites be easily ported or ports opened to make http-like requests available? | May 24 08:24 |
| schestowitz | i want to get out of www | May 24 08:25 |
| schestowitz | it's broken in a lot of ways | May 24 08:25 |
| schestowitz | we need to promote competition to it | May 24 08:25 |
| schestowitz | gopher is too primitive | May 24 08:25 |
| schestowitz | and no browser support in new browsers | May 24 08:25 |
| schestowitz | they even phase out ftp support now, for no really solid reason | May 24 08:25 |
| psydread | I haven't really looked into the technology yet, but there is a reason why I try to use Netsurf whenever possible, especially on low-performance hardware | May 24 08:27 |
| schestowitz | I have it | May 24 08:28 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, I can't even get basic information on Russia's borders in English | May 24 08:36 |
| scientes | it is as if the whole Nation-state system has ceased to exist | May 24 08:36 |
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| schestowitz | I am sending some dupe mail as for some odd reason my domain ended up in... a BLACKLIST! I think it's sorted for now, by host needs to find the offender if any... | May 24 08:47 |
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| schestowitz | > Wow. No worries, do what you've gotta do. | May 24 09:02 |
| schestowitz | I wanted to quit email a decade ago http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2010/08/10/giving-up-on-email/ | May 24 09:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » RIP E-mail | May 24 09:02 | |
| schestowitz | > Hi Roy, | May 24 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > | May 24 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > Unfortunately an email account on the server had been compromised and | May 24 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > was sending out spam - we've resolved this now. | May 24 09:03 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for letting me know and responding so quickly! | May 24 09:03 |
| schestowitz | >> I am sending some dupe mail as for some odd reason my domain ended up | May 24 09:12 |
| schestowitz | >> in... a BLACKLIST! I think it's sorted for now, by host needs to find | May 24 09:12 |
| schestowitz | >> the offender if any... | May 24 09:12 |
| schestowitz | >> | May 24 09:12 |
| schestowitz | > I think the lists might be federated. | May 24 09:12 |
| schestowitz | They still do great harm if your IP gets on their wrong side... | May 24 09:12 |
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| scientes | schestowitz, the problem is that the global spy network has completely cornered e-mail | May 24 09:22 |
| scientes | and then shut down anyone that resisted | May 24 09:22 |
| scientes | what a massive waste of resources | May 24 09:22 |
| scientes | too cowardice to provide government, so they just spy on people to try to prevent *other* people from doing the job they are neglecting at doing | May 24 09:23 |
| schestowitz | same for | May 24 10:02 |
| schestowitz | 1) usenet | May 24 10:02 |
| schestowitz | 2) p2p (not newsgroups only) | May 24 10:02 |
| schestowitz | 3) tor-like services | May 24 10:02 |
| schestowitz | I think they want all the 'cattle' (people) in social control media | May 24 10:02 |
| schestowitz | it's easier for them to monitor and censor | May 24 10:02 |
| schestowitz | GAFAM+Twitter etc. even give spy agencies special backend GUIs for these, according to what Assange already said almost one decade ago | May 24 10:03 |
| schestowitz | email is less centralised | May 24 10:03 |
| schestowitz | so it suits them less | May 24 10:03 |
| schestowitz | also pgp e2e is an option | May 24 10:03 |
| schestowitz | I don't know anyone running pgp in the command line to then copy-paste the output into twitter DMs -) | May 24 10:04 |
| schestowitz | scientes: anyway, my email is cleared for now | May 24 10:04 |
| schestowitz | and the culprit is, as I expected, not my own account | May 24 10:04 |
| schestowitz | my email addresses are on a shared physical server, so the IP address is shared with others (not my account) | May 24 10:04 |
| schestowitz | nobody's perfect, I don't self-host email in my own home | May 24 10:05 |
| schestowitz | about half the messages I sent are encrypted anyway, e2e | May 24 10:05 |
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| scientes | <schestowitz> about half the messages I sent are encrypted anyway, e2e | May 24 11:24 |
| scientes | nice | May 24 11:24 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: Which borders? | May 24 12:25 |
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| scientes | russia-georgia | May 24 13:06 |
| scientes | or just russia in general | May 24 13:06 |
| scientes | initially it was just to may 1 | May 24 13:06 |
| scientes | and i can get that | May 24 13:06 |
| scientes | but the extension is hard to find | May 24 13:06 |
| scientes | but the borders are closed to all but russian nationals | May 24 13:06 |
| scientes | XRevan86, ^ | May 24 13:07 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=173wpNKGVrE | May 24 13:09 |
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| scientes | I read about the hearders in Georgia, and then I found that | May 24 13:09 |
| scientes | I noticed they were caucus as they have the same traditional dress as Georgians | May 24 13:09 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: Even the first shots tell me Caucasian region in that %) | May 24 13:20 |
| XRevan86 | Dagestan | May 24 13:21 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I haven't really followed news on closure of borders. | May 24 13:23 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: But it is unsurprising if they are still closed, as the situation here is not contained. | May 24 13:23 |
| scientes | "contained" | May 24 13:24 |
| XRevan86 | And since Russia is not a very travelling country, there is no big economical pressure to open up. | May 24 13:24 |
| scientes | yeah, Georgia currency tanked before (my guess is) it was artificially saved | May 24 13:25 |
| scientes | 2.8 -> 3.5, now 3.2 | May 24 13:25 |
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| scientes | Georgia exports things, but the Western economy is all about printing money, and then having the tourists hand it to beggers | May 24 13:26 |
| scientes | and then stealing it out of banks, rince wash and repeat | May 24 13:26 |
| scientes | Costa Rica was so gross because of this | May 24 13:27 |
| XRevan86 | > Why is Modern Music so Awful? https://invidio.us/watch?v=oVME_l4IwII v. #figosdev | May 24 13:32 |
| XRevan86 | A lot of things said make sense. He says though that good music is always enjoyable on the first try. And I don't really agree, a lot of music that was very unfamiliar to me at least and even felt bland I've grown to appreciate. Something made me come back to it though. | May 24 13:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invidio.us | Why is Modern Music so Awful? - Invidious | May 24 13:32 | |
| XRevan86 | For instance, I didn't like hard rock like Rainbow at first. | May 24 13:33 |
| XRevan86 | Not an example of musical primitivism, init? %) | May 24 13:34 |
| XRevan86 | > my email addresses are on a shared physical server, so the IP address is shared with others (not my account) | May 24 13:35 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: You can't share an IP address on hosting with someone realistically. | May 24 13:36 |
| schestowitz | you can in a sense | May 24 13:41 |
| schestowitz | unless you mean that in another sense | May 24 13:41 |
| schestowitz | you can have multiple domains on the same ip, different accounts too | May 24 13:41 |
| schestowitz | provided it's channeled from the same point | May 24 13:42 |
| schestowitz | ha, proxy, varnish, httpd... | May 24 13:42 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I mean in a sense that you can't realistically share a port between several different MTAs | May 24 13:42 |
| schestowitz | you send email to gmail and it'll end up in the same ip addresses, then routed to the right boxes | May 24 13:42 |
| schestowitz | it's the same mta | May 24 13:42 |
| XRevan86 | So if you've set up your MTA, your IP is yours only. | May 24 13:42 |
| schestowitz | it's not mine though, it's shared | May 24 13:43 |
| schestowitz | they wanted to charge us gbp10,000 for dedicated hosting | May 24 13:43 |
| schestowitz | for 3 years, and that's after major discount | May 24 13:43 |
| schestowitz | that's like buying a rather good new car | May 24 13:43 |
| XRevan86 | No TLS, no DMARC | May 24 13:43 |
| schestowitz | shared hosting there is a lot cheaper, like 2 orders of magnitude | May 24 13:43 |
| scientes | XRevan86, accord to the SMTP RFC you can just use a A record | May 24 13:44 |
| scientes | you don't have to use a MX record | May 24 13:44 |
| schestowitz | email setup was made intentionally complicated | May 24 13:44 |
| schestowitz | now you need all those extra steps just to be 'allowed' in the 'email club' (oligopolies) | May 24 13:44 |
| XRevan86 | No DKIM | May 24 13:44 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: re covid19 in ru | May 24 13:45 |
| schestowitz | from what I can see st petersburg is impacted badly | May 24 13:45 |
| schestowitz | many deaths, doctors too | May 24 13:45 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: email configuration got complicated also because it's hard to make sure where email is originating from, who has the right to post from one domain or another and so on | May 24 13:45 |
| schestowitz | very high ratio/rate of physicians' deaths | May 24 13:46 |
| scientes | XRevan86, but you didn't answer question | May 24 13:46 |
| schestowitz | also, the number of cases are barely even being flattered (new cases) | May 24 13:46 |
| scientes | how do I get accurate info on borders | May 24 13:46 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Your MTA has nothing against email spoofing. | May 24 13:46 |
| scientes | I guess I'll have to e-mail the embassy I got my visa from | May 24 13:46 |
| schestowitz | casualties if plotted as averages are going up still | May 24 13:46 |
| XRevan86 | Except SPF, which is not enforced, because no DMARC. | May 24 13:46 |
| schestowitz | but mezuda repeats the gov. lies about it slowing down | May 24 13:47 |
| schestowitz | which the data hardly supports | May 24 13:47 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I never said anything about MX records. | May 24 13:47 |
| XRevan86 | And schestowitz has one anyway. | May 24 13:47 |
| schestowitz | email setup wasn't always this much of a pain | May 24 13:47 |
| scientes | XRevan86, but e-mail can be multi-plexed exactly the same was http/https is, if you really wanted to | May 24 13:47 |
| schestowitz | now certs also, part of the process, plus renewal | May 24 13:48 |
| scientes | well, maybe | May 24 13:48 |
| scientes | depends how TLS is used | May 24 13:48 |
| scientes | i think only if you use starttle | May 24 13:48 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: TLS is not used. | May 24 13:48 |
| scientes | but then you still might leak the email addresses, which is a pretty big deal | May 24 13:48 |
| schestowitz | they never protect you at the endpoints anyway | May 24 13:48 |
| schestowitz | not even the server, which is physically in london | May 24 13:48 |
| schestowitz | I don't mind my mail being readable packet wise on the line, the underlying data is mishmash | May 24 13:49 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: There is some strangeness going on with statistics in Russia. | May 24 13:49 |
| schestowitz | pgp is more important than security between the endpoints user->server->user | May 24 13:49 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: the bad kits from china? | May 24 13:49 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: And there are reported cases when suspected COVID-19 deaths were just brushed away. Even though Pieskov says that every body is autopsied. | May 24 13:50 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: About mail, TLS and so on (MTA-STS?) is not that important when it comes to whether your email will be accepted by a recepient (thought of as legitimate). | May 24 13:51 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Since you don't have DKIM and don't host your MTA, I suggest a PTR record (reverse proxy). | May 24 13:53 |
| XRevan86 | * reverse DNS | May 24 13:53 |
| XRevan86 | didn't think there for a second when typing %) | May 24 13:53 |
| XRevan86 | $ dig +short -x 84.18.207.66 | May 24 13:54 |
| XRevan86 | blueberry.active-ns.com. | May 24 13:54 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: Music not exactly being creative is not exactly new. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjHqIoZPljI 7 Country Songs with 4 Chords | May 24 13:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-7 Country Songs with 4 Chords - (Matt McCoy) - YouTube | May 24 13:57 | |
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| oiaohm | XRevan86: there is a lot of old country and Western songs that if you get the guitar score the score is identical between the songs just the words are diffent. | May 24 13:58 |
| sebsebseb | hi | May 24 13:58 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Dissatisfaction of the guy is in pop specifically. | May 24 14:01 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Apple | May 24 14:02 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: This doesn't explain the IP address blacklist, but it's a way to get your email out of the Junk folder. | May 24 14:03 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: XRevan86 got a lack of taste | May 24 14:05 |
| XRevan86 | Because spam filters really don't like mail that comes from an IP which doesn't state that it is indeed linked to the domain both ways. | May 24 14:05 |
| XRevan86 | And that's either reverse DNS or DKIM. | May 24 14:06 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: problem here what happening to pop has happened before. It happen to country and western. Most people when they think country and Weston think person with guitar and singing. https://countrymusichalloffame.org/education/instruments/ if you go back to the really old songs its wrong. | May 24 14:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-countrymusichalloffame.org | Instruments - Country Music Hall of Fame | May 24 14:13 | |
| oiaohm | why it was cheaper to record a person paying country and weston with a guitar with no other backing. | May 24 14:14 |
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| oiaohm | XRevan86: so the reduction in instruments happened in country and western before it happened in pop. | May 24 14:16 |
| oiaohm | At the same time the number of instruments drop in country and weston the complexity of the lyrics dropped as well. | May 24 14:18 |
| oiaohm | So most of what is happening to pop now is a repeat of what has happened before. | May 24 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Big difference is audio compression mangling the crap out the music now. | May 24 14:18 |
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| scientes | uggh | May 24 14:30 |
| scientes | why is Telegram trying to be Facebook | May 24 14:30 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, at the end of that video they even do a little Caucus dance | May 24 14:50 |
| scientes | while using a plastic bottle as a fill-in for a lute | May 24 14:51 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Sent you an email, can you reply? %) I want to see how my spam filter reacts to mail from you. | May 24 15:27 |
| scientes | XRevan86, thats exactly why I don't run a server | May 24 15:27 |
| scientes | it is a nightmare | May 24 15:27 |
| scientes | the spam | May 24 15:27 |
| *XRevan86 runs a server. | May 24 15:27 | |
| scientes | especially when all the spam went chinese | May 24 15:28 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Usually mail servers that put you to spam tell the reason in headers. | May 24 15:28 |
| XRevan86 | Ah, you mean incoming %) | May 24 15:28 |
| scientes | cause they are the only people with money any more | May 24 15:28 |
| XRevan86 | Most of spam that goes to me is either in Russian, English or some Romance language. | May 24 15:29 |
| scientes | hmmmm, mine was 99% chinese | May 24 15:29 |
| XRevan86 | and rspamd fights it well | May 24 15:29 |
| scientes | oh, maybe 5% nigerian scams | May 24 15:30 |
| scientes | in english | May 24 15:30 |
| scientes | cause english speakers are fools | May 24 15:30 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: 95% of any population are fools %) | May 24 16:25 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeKU0nwY91U | May 24 16:25 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: There are nigerian princes who speak Russian and other languages out there %) | May 24 16:26 |
| scientes | what about Italian princes? | May 24 16:26 |
| scientes | named Machiavelli? | May 24 16:26 |
| XRevan86 | not "remote" enough | May 24 16:27 |
| scientes | 12-th century is pretty remote | May 24 16:27 |
| scientes | *15th century | May 24 16:27 |
| scientes | heh | May 24 16:27 |
| scientes | shows how boring that part of history is | May 24 16:27 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: careful, you will get drpizza hard | May 24 18:08 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: I check email once a a day | May 24 18:09 |
| schestowitz | next time tomorrow morning | May 24 18:09 |
| schestowitz | if I open now, it throws lots of tasks at me, I ended up spending 2.5 hours on email this morning | May 24 18:09 |
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| MinceR | lol | May 24 18:18 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, bit old, but did you see this? https://meduza.io/en/shapito/2020/04/21/instead-of-reopening-hair-salons-ramzan-kadyrov-is-urging-fellow-chechens-to-shave-their-heads-and-he-s-leading-by-example | May 24 18:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | May 24 18:36 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I did. | May 24 18:37 |
| scientes | its part of the hajj practice | May 24 18:37 |
| scientes | but it looks pretty dubious to accredit to mohammed | May 24 18:37 |
| scientes | as the vast majority of things accredited to him (besides the Koran, modulo its authorship) are fake | May 24 18:38 |
| scientes | not that I know anything on this topic | May 24 18:38 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: There are doubts about authorship of parts of Koran as well. | May 24 18:39 |
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| scientes | well, something more important is that the idea of what Mohammed did being guidance when he was pretty big on worshipping god alone.... | May 24 18:40 |
| XRevan86 | It's on a much better state than Torah or the "New Testament" though. | May 24 18:40 |
| scientes | ^^^^ | May 24 18:40 |
| XRevan86 | * in a much | May 24 18:40 |
| scientes | they brag about this all the time | May 24 18:40 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: They go to absolutes though. | May 24 18:41 |
| XRevan86 | Literal perfection and 100% his. | May 24 18:41 |
| scientes | but the Koran says that it is perfect | May 24 18:41 |
| scientes | so once you start thinking like that you start going in circles | May 24 18:41 |
| scientes | the vast majority of translations are rediculous | May 24 18:42 |
| scientes | I am kinda blown away the translators are so clueless that the ambiguities are the most important part, ESPECIALLY when the Koran itsself says that the ambiguities are important | May 24 18:43 |
| scientes | thats somewhere in chapter 2 | May 24 18:43 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: As far as I know, Muslims try to go for the original. | May 24 18:43 |
| XRevan86 | pretty much exactly because it's perfection and much | May 24 18:43 |
| scientes | yeah, but the vast majority don't know arabic | May 24 18:44 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Arabic has changed and branched into dialects | May 24 18:44 |
| scientes | that too | May 24 18:44 |
| scientes | they even count to 10 differently | May 24 18:44 |
| scientes | at which point I threw in the towel | May 24 18:45 |
| scientes | I only have one translation I use, as it is such a chore to read the shitty translations, and they are ALL pretty bad | May 24 18:46 |
| scientes | you have to read like 3 of them to get any idea what is going on | May 24 18:46 |
| scientes | and remove all the interpretation | May 24 18:46 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Heh, that's faith for you. | May 24 18:46 |
| XRevan86 | it's a very biased subjective thing by design | May 24 18:46 |
| scientes | well, the bible is much more literal | May 24 18:46 |
| XRevan86 | of course that would leak into translations, especially if the source material is intentionally trying to be vague. | May 24 18:47 |
| scientes | while the Koran is extremely poetic, with attention to detail | May 24 18:47 |
| scientes | like for example, in the chapter of hypocrites, it says they are like "firewood stood upright" | May 24 18:48 |
| scientes | but you will often read that they are like "wood stood upright [to be thrown in the fire]" | May 24 18:48 |
| scientes | but what if it just means that they could fall over? | May 24 18:49 |
| scientes | see, intentionally vague | May 24 18:49 |
| XRevan86 | When I watch some TV shows in English and hear some puns especially that affect the story, I wonder – how the heck are translators supposed to deal with that? | May 24 18:49 |
| scientes | I have this translation in English where I get some of the pretty intense subtleties | May 24 18:50 |
| scientes | like color in one place, and hues in another | May 24 18:50 |
| scientes | and tongues in one place, and Arabic in other places | May 24 18:50 |
| XRevan86 | And translation is also art | May 24 18:50 |
| XRevan86 | in that sense that the translator becomes the co-author | May 24 18:51 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, and it is worse that the translators are usually religious nut-cases | May 24 18:51 |
| scientes | this one I like is translated by a Jew | May 24 18:51 |
| XRevan86 | I'd think that this is a nightmare for a religious person, who is supposed to stay faithful to the original word. | May 24 18:51 |
| scientes | so like, when the Koran says to beat your wife (yes, it says that), they usually add [lightly] | May 24 18:52 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I heard of that and that Muslims interpret it with a [lightly] | May 24 18:53 |
| XRevan86 | I don't know Arabic and the original wording, so I don't know if they have a point or not. | May 24 18:54 |
| scientes | lightly is not there | May 24 18:54 |
| scientes | but it also says to do it in another room, so its kinda a shelter/Jesus thing in my interpretation | May 24 18:55 |
| scientes | but then again, here is a believer | May 24 18:55 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: More synthetic languages can hint meaning more subtle-y | May 24 18:55 |
| XRevan86 | > but it also says to do it in another room | May 24 18:56 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: When I read this part I immediately thought of "не выноси сор из дому" | May 24 18:57 |
| scientes | I can read that, but that doesn't mean I know what those words mean | May 24 18:57 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: So if you mean as opposed to in front of guests, then I think it's to mean not to expose one's family issues to others. | May 24 18:57 |
| scientes | yeah it probably means that too | May 24 18:58 |
| scientes | as ambiguity is important | May 24 18:58 |
| scientes | again, it actually says in chapter 2 (the cow) to not guess at the meaning of the ambiguities, as that belongs to god | May 24 18:59 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: "wash one's dirty linen in public" | May 24 18:59 |
| scientes | and what you are saying I have read plenty of times in chic fiction | May 24 18:59 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Good thing God speaks Arabic and uses all its imperfections. | May 24 19:00 |
| scientes | XRevan86, the general style of the Koran is an appear to wonder | May 24 19:00 |
| scientes | in order to get the emotions accross | May 24 19:00 |
| scientes | I guess we have this with the flood, but the bible is so different | May 24 19:00 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: What's funny about the Bible is that strictly speaking it doesn't exist | May 24 19:01 |
| scientes | well yeah, there are a few extra books in the catholic one | May 24 19:01 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's a loose anthology | May 24 19:01 |
| scientes | and then 1 2 macabees | May 24 19:02 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Orthodoxy apparently has much more books than Catholics | May 24 19:02 |
| scientes | which is orthodox-only, and pre-jesus, but greek only (1 macabees was originally hebrew, but that was lost) | May 24 19:02 |
| scientes | but anyways, that is besides the point | May 24 19:02 |
| XRevan86 | My point is that it's pointless to speak of the general writing style of the Bible, because it's a compilation of very different books of very different authors who lived in different times and had different intentions. | May 24 19:03 |
| scientes | ahhh yes | May 24 19:04 |
| scientes | and the work of King David is mentioned both by Jesus and the Koran, and I consider that the same basic idea as Les Miserables | May 24 19:05 |
| scientes | but that is just my interpretation | May 24 19:05 |
| scientes | the worship of language itsself | May 24 19:05 |
| XRevan86 | Koran is definitely influenced by Christianity one way or another. | May 24 19:06 |
| scientes | well duh | May 24 19:06 |
| scientes | it has chapters on mary, and mary's father imran | May 24 19:06 |
| scientes | and resurrection | May 24 19:06 |
| scientes | XRevan86, https://www.theonion.com/christ-converts-to-islam-1819565131 | May 24 19:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theonion.com | Christ Converts To Islam | May 24 19:07 | |
| XRevan86 | Resurrection? I thought it states that Jesus escaped the silly Romans. | May 24 19:07 |
| scientes | that is an appeal to wonder | May 24 19:07 |
| scientes | it says that *they* didn't kill him | May 24 19:07 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You know, resurrection is an event that was supposed to be observed. | May 24 19:08 |
| scientes | basically: stop blaming the Jews | May 24 19:08 |
| scientes | XRevan86, also the Koran is not all wacko about resurrection like Christians can be | May 24 19:08 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Or is the implication that Christians accidentally got it right? | May 24 19:09 |
| scientes | it basically says that there are both male and female sperm, so have some appreciation | May 24 19:09 |
| scientes | well that is the part I like | May 24 19:09 |
| XRevan86 | that G-d resurrected Jesus, but those people who saw it (who exactly varies %) ) saw a similiar event? | May 24 19:09 |
| scientes | yeah, but all it says that Jesus said is that people want a sign and that a sign will not come, except the sign of Jonah | May 24 19:10 |
| scientes | *the bible | May 24 19:10 |
| scientes | so basically all the rest of this rests under "worship of Jesus" | May 24 19:10 |
| scientes | and also with christmas and easter, worship of the sun | May 24 19:11 |
| XRevan86 | > it basically says that there are both male and female sperm | May 24 19:12 |
| XRevan86 | Male pregnancy confirmed? :D | May 24 19:12 |
| kingoffrance | theres many many many bible translations; for political purposes many times | May 24 19:12 |
| scientes | TBH, compared to religious nut-cases the Koran is pretty rational | May 24 19:12 |
| kingoffrance | not only is it a collection of various docs; various translators | May 24 19:12 |
| scientes | its talking about sperm and the clot of blood that a miscarriage is, et cetera | May 24 19:13 |
| kingoffrance | old frescoes/paintings and even bibles circa 1200 had jesus creating adam and eve, because he was "before the gods of abraham/moses/the lord/etc." (or claimed to be) that has been rewritten now to make way for 2nd coming | May 24 19:13 |
| scientes | like it is not really demanding you to believe that someone can rise from the dead | May 24 19:14 |
| kingoffrance | so back to "the lord" and that first christ disappeared while we await the next one | May 24 19:14 |
| XRevan86 | Zombie flicks do it all the time | May 24 19:14 |
| scientes | instead it is *inspiring* you to imagine | May 24 19:14 |
| XRevan86 | Imagine there's no religion too | May 24 19:14 |
| scientes | XRevan86, that would be the end of idolatry | May 24 19:16 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: Sounds very nice. | May 24 19:17 |
| scientes | and the Koran says twice that "idolatry is more grievous than bloodshed" | May 24 19:17 |
| scientes | so probably a good thing | May 24 19:17 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Abrahamic religions think that only "pagans" do that. | May 24 19:17 |
| scientes | but that's just the religious nut-cases | May 24 19:18 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Koran is an idol in on itself. | May 24 19:18 |
| scientes | I like Dante best on that | May 24 19:18 |
| scientes | he puts all the Greek philosophers in hell simply because they lived before Jesus | May 24 19:18 |
| scientes | take that for prejudice | May 24 19:18 |
| XRevan86 | for prejesus %) | May 24 19:19 |
| scientes | hehehehehehehe | May 24 19:19 |
| kingoffrance | yes, that is why burning bush IIRC | May 24 19:19 |
| scientes | kingoffrance, ???? | May 24 19:20 |
| kingoffrance | jews mingled with persians, goes back to zoroaster IIRC ; some say muslims and jews branched off from same origin, i dunno | May 24 19:20 |
| kingoffrance | it was supposed to be "fire == spirit" | May 24 19:20 |
| kingoffrance | i.e. no idols | May 24 19:20 |
| kingoffrance | get across that spirit is not physical | May 24 19:20 |
| kingoffrance | that is what some masons claim anyways | May 24 19:20 |
| kingoffrance | the "mingling" | May 24 19:20 |
| scientes | kingoffrance, it means exactly what it says: he saw a fire in a bush but it was not consumed | May 24 19:20 |
| kingoffrance | cyrus IIRC | May 24 19:20 |
| scientes | i.e. there was no fire, it was all in his head | May 24 19:20 |
| scientes | Moses the crazy man | May 24 19:21 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: If you mean Jews and Arabs then they're both Semitic. | May 24 19:21 |
| scientes | XRevan86, that is circular logic | May 24 19:21 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: If you mean Judaists and Muslims, then they're both Abrahamic. | May 24 19:21 |
| scientes | Shem is the second son of Noah | May 24 19:21 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: That's just scientific logic | May 24 19:21 |
| XRevan86 | I didn't appeal to fairy tales for that | May 24 19:22 |
| kingoffrance | XRevan86, yes, i usually say "jews" because i dont know the details | May 24 19:22 |
| kingoffrance | XRevan86, that sounds basically along the same lines | May 24 19:22 |
| scientes | XRevan86, ok, well try telling a Jew that they are anti-Semitic when they call for blowing up all their neighbors | May 24 19:22 |
| scientes | and they will get red-hot | May 24 19:22 |
| scientes | *tell an Israeli | May 24 19:23 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It doesn't matter what they think. | May 24 19:23 |
| scientes | XRevan86, ok, try editing wikipedia | May 24 19:23 |
| scientes | (I have) | May 24 19:23 |
| XRevan86 | What matters is that through archaelogy and linguistics they trace to a common origin | May 24 19:23 |
| kingoffrance | masons and alchemy, fire == spirit, so that type of claim still goes on, although they are always making analogies IMO dubious or unprovable (thats the point though for them i think: always be symbolic, never literal) | May 24 19:23 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_languages | May 24 19:24 |
| kingoffrance | or for "political purposes" | May 24 19:24 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yes, you are right | May 24 19:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Semitic languages - Wikipedia | May 24 19:24 | |
| kingoffrance | basically, earth/water/fire/air == solid/liquid/gas and heat or cool is how to convert. so that is the fire == spirit thing, "science/alchemy" :) | May 24 19:25 |
| scientes | > Mimicking Kadyrov, who is often called "patsha" (king) in Chechen, is not new in Chechnya. | May 24 19:26 |
| XRevan86 | Is it legitimate to use the word "science" today when referring to the avant-garde of human knowledge before the scientific method? | May 24 19:27 |
| scientes | yes | May 24 19:27 |
| scientes | people do it all the time | May 24 19:27 |
| scientes | but generally only in secondary sources | May 24 19:27 |
| XRevan86 | I think it would be fair to say "ancient science" | May 24 19:27 |
| scientes | i mean, not primary sources | May 24 19:28 |
| XRevan86 | but not just science | May 24 19:28 |
| scientes | cause science from those times is not worth reading | May 24 19:28 |
| scientes | math, sure | May 24 19:28 |
| scientes | like Euclid | May 24 19:28 |
| scientes | but not science | May 24 19:28 |
| XRevan86 | unless it's something that holds under the scrutiny of the scientific method | May 24 19:28 |
| scientes | yeah, there is math stuff that does, like estimations of the circumference of the earth | May 24 19:29 |
| scientes | very mathy stuff | May 24 19:29 |
| XRevan86 | Like invention of the trebuchet is science, because it obviously works %) | May 24 19:29 |
| scientes | XRevan86, that is Techne | May 24 19:29 |
| scientes | not Science | May 24 19:29 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: right | May 24 19:29 |
| scientes | they also use to fling around hot balls of flaming oil | May 24 19:30 |
| scientes | which the best use they could thing of the annoying stuff | May 24 19:30 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: But engineering is linked to science, if it's not dumb trial-and-error | May 24 19:31 |
| scientes | not before Issac Newton | May 24 19:31 |
| scientes | I just imagine the guy in Idiocracy trying to put a square peg in a round hole | May 24 19:31 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g | May 24 19:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-She's a witch! - YouTube | May 24 19:32 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Not then-science, science :) | May 24 19:33 |
| scientes | but not really | May 24 19:33 |
| XRevan86 | it should involve some aerodynamics math to produce a good trebuchet | May 24 19:33 |
| scientes | the act of doing science, and the act of doing engineering is quite different | May 24 19:33 |
| scientes | even in the present day | May 24 19:33 |
| scientes | techne and science have and always will be quite different | May 24 19:33 |
| XRevan86 | science furthers engineering, engineering furthers science | May 24 19:34 |
| scientes | XRevan86, only when studying the history, not in the every-day professional practice | May 24 19:34 |
| kingoffrance | mason stuff they will always say of course only the lowlevel people worshipped the sun or fire : the higher-level worshipped "god" or <whatever created the sun/planets/fire> so the fire is just representative/symbolic of <whatever created it> | May 24 19:36 |
| kingoffrance | they will always claim such about everything of course | May 24 19:36 |
| scientes | Spinoza got in deep with that rabbit hole | May 24 19:36 |
| XRevan86 | of course only the middlelevel people worshipped "god", higher-level worshipped mega-god | May 24 19:37 |
| kingoffrance | LOL ^^^ yep | May 24 19:38 |
| XRevan86 | (also a mecha) | May 24 19:38 |
| kingoffrance | well, i think it fits the theory nothing is ever created or destroyed, only changes form, so alchemically: every religion is covering up a previous one somehow i believe is the "reasoning" | May 24 19:38 |
| kingoffrance | so from that POV it makes sense i suppose | May 24 19:39 |
| kingoffrance | stripped away of all the "we have secret knowledge" | May 24 19:39 |
| kingoffrance | "give us money" "join our club" | May 24 19:39 |
| kingoffrance | i havent seen it anywhere, but i do notice the windows logo is 4 alchemical elements; some churches have a globe in those 4 colors too | May 24 19:39 |
| XRevan86 | kingoffrance: That makes certain sense, as culture can never be fully erased, so every new element to it not only molds culture, but it also affected by it. | May 24 19:39 |
| kingoffrance | so someone is doing alchemy s/i havent seen it anywhere/i havent seen a claim of "why" they use that logo/ | May 24 19:40 |
| XRevan86 | And if it's a product of that culture, then even more so. | May 24 19:40 |
| scientes | they also put the 4 element into Frozen II movie | May 24 19:40 |
| kingoffrance | that sounds crazy | May 24 19:40 |
| scientes | kinda annoys me | May 24 19:40 |
| kingoffrance | but with those types of stuff | May 24 19:40 |
| kingoffrance | it is NEVER coincidence; i.e. even if it is, people will claim it is not | May 24 19:40 |
| kingoffrance | again, only they know the "real" meaning :) | May 24 19:40 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POJdu4HV-Ng | May 24 19:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Sound of Muslims - YouTube | May 24 19:40 | |
| XRevan86 | Fire, Water, Earth, Air, Milla Jovovich | May 24 19:40 |
| MinceR | no, that's the actress | May 24 19:41 |
| XRevan86 | Leeloo, whatever | May 24 19:41 |
| XRevan86 | So it's not particularly surprising that there are traces of Jew paganism in Christianity. | May 24 19:42 |
| XRevan86 | and Roman, and so forth | May 24 19:42 |
| scientes | <XRevan86> So it's not particularly surprising that there are traces of Jew paganism in Christianity | May 24 19:43 |
| scientes | you make absolutely no sense | May 24 19:44 |
| scientes | what about all the animal sacrifices? | May 24 19:44 |
| scientes | is that what you are calling pagan? | May 24 19:44 |
| kingoffrance | jesus on cross i think was a "reference" to snake on a stick, would be an example, IIRC bible jesus has a few lines noting such | May 24 19:44 |
| kingoffrance | the brazen serpent thing | May 24 19:44 |
| scientes | and why is it better to roast a man instead of an animal? | May 24 19:45 |
| kingoffrance | that type of stuff they might "reference" something but give it a new meaning or on another plane/whatever | May 24 19:45 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Actually I had https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying-and-rising_deity in mind. | May 24 19:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Dying-and-rising deity - Wikipedia | May 24 19:45 | |
| XRevan86 | Which is either a trope humans are prone to reinvent over and over again, or an old trope that keeps surviving all the religious iterations. | May 24 19:47 |
| kingoffrance | if anyone knows how ms chose their logo i would be very curious | May 24 19:48 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rank%E2%80%93Raglan_mythotype | May 24 19:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Rank–Raglan mythotype - Wikipedia | May 24 19:48 | |
| kingoffrance | it does perfectly aling with EEE | May 24 19:49 |
| scientes | XRevan86, the thing is that Jesus meant exactly what he said when talking about Jonah | May 24 19:50 |
| scientes | and all these mystics have it wrong | May 24 19:50 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: cool video | May 24 19:50 |
| scientes | and they are also being the "wicked and adulterous generation" that Jesus was warning against | May 24 19:51 |
| MinceR | https://i.ibb.co/H2qXMb6/image0.jpg | May 24 19:51 |
| scientes | I'm reading about guilds in europe, 1400-1800, and people are nasty | May 24 19:53 |
| scientes | they love to enslave each other | May 24 19:53 |
| scientes | also the deep irony | May 24 19:55 |
| scientes | where people get greedy and drive away industry | May 24 19:55 |
| scientes | through violence | May 24 19:55 |
| scientes | capitalism is nasty | May 24 19:58 |
| kingoffrance | yeah, with some of the agile stuff a few years back, there were some people claiming that is what is needed for programming, and how all the "roles" is a good thing; a couple people pointed out such is not necessarily an improvement | May 24 20:00 |
| kingoffrance | the agile "roles" i mean | May 24 20:00 |
| kingoffrance | the guild system is not necessarily a shining example to imitiate | May 24 20:00 |
| kingoffrance | and the non-programmers claiming to be "experts" whatever | May 24 20:03 |
| MinceR | http://surrounder.nl/govegan.jpg | May 24 20:04 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft has a long history of products that only barely work enough to get people to accept it. | May 24 21:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If this pandemic was an excuse to slip a tag on everyone, why would the government partner with Bill Gates? | May 24 21:34 |
| MinceR | corruption. | May 24 21:44 |
| schestowitz | bribery | May 24 22:00 |
| kingoffrance | excuse or no excuse, if that is the case, they see a window :) | May 24 22:01 |
| kingoffrance | i wouldnt assume just because it is "real" or not doesnt mean someone doesnt see an opportunity | May 24 22:01 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: but does he actually advocate this? | May 24 22:01 |
| schestowitz | The certificate for vaccination does not need to be electronic | May 24 22:02 |
| schestowitz | there's some baseless claim going out there | May 24 22:02 |
| schestowitz | and it distracts from what he actually does suggest | May 24 22:02 |
| schestowitz | see http://techrights.org/2012/06/19/pedometers/ | May 24 22:02 |
| schestowitz | more like wearables | May 24 22:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Billions for Indoctrinating Children | Techrights | May 24 22:02 | |
| schestowitz | in the context of his school privatisation | May 24 22:02 |
| schestowitz | which Cuomo is happy to help him with, with Betsy DeVos openly admitting she'll exploit the pandemic to push the privatisation | May 24 22:03 |
| schestowitz | it was in this weekend's news | May 24 22:03 |
| kingoffrance | yes, gates is/was big on common core, so some claim "privitisation" is the "opposite"...but others insist "thats what they wanted all along: less control, more tax payer funds, with less oversight" | May 24 22:04 |
| schestowitz | maybe deliberate dissusion | May 24 22:05 |
| kingoffrance | i.e. the so-called privitization is just further along the same spectrum, another "stage" arguably | May 24 22:05 |
| schestowitz | to keep people baffled | May 24 22:05 |
| schestowitz | like calling combatants "freedom" | May 24 22:05 |
| kingoffrance | yeah, im not sure they always know what they want :) | May 24 22:05 |
| kingoffrance | buzzwords | May 24 22:05 |
| kingoffrance | sometimes they just want to get elected/keep their spot | May 24 22:06 |
| schestowitz | like calling combatants "freedom" "protests" | May 24 22:06 |
| schestowitz | even bush said he was bombing for freedom | May 24 22:06 |
| schestowitz | he got a liberty medal | May 24 22:06 |
| kingoffrance | yes, #$@#$ing for virginity | May 24 22:07 |
| MinceR | https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/05/01/ab86da19fb24d9e7.jpg | May 24 22:08 |
| MinceR | (cat) ^ | May 24 22:08 |
| schestowitz | I never saw anyone arguing charter isn't for-profit ploy | May 24 22:08 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: thanks for the caret | May 24 22:08 |
| schestowitz | without it, I would not have know what this creature is :->> | May 24 22:08 |
| MinceR | lol | May 24 22:08 |
| schestowitz | *known | May 24 22:08 |
| MinceR | it's a trigger warning | May 24 22:08 |
| *schestowitz convulses | May 24 22:09 | |
| kingoffrance | well yeah, they'll argue public schools are socialist, hence we need taxpayer funds to run our capitalist freemarket "competing" charter schools :/ | May 24 22:12 |
| kingoffrance | because...when i do the same exact thing, for my causes, its not "socialism" | May 24 22:13 |
| kingoffrance | when you do it, it is | May 24 22:13 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | "A woman practices the rhythm method of birth control by learning to recognize the days she is fertile, and not having sex before and during those days." -WebMD | May 24 23:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, it should be 100% effective then. if you don't have sex on the days you're fertile or the days before that, because as soon as your high fertility period ends, it's the days before you are again, until you never are again. | May 24 23:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That means that for the average woman, the purity ring should stay on until 46 or so. | May 24 23:52 |
| MinceR | :> | May 24 23:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I heard from a psychiatrist that most people's sex lives improve later in life. | May 24 23:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was like, "Tell me more.". | May 24 23:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So the article went, "Because they no longer have to worry about having kids or having the kids walk in on them.". | May 24 23:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was like "Oh wow, I got like 3 bonus decades.". | May 24 23:54 |
| MinceR | :> | May 24 23:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I don't know why more men don't just have a vasectomy. | May 24 23:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's exactly like a pile of credit cards and medical bills that have soared into the 6 digit figures when a bankruptcy costs a thousand dollars. | May 24 23:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I do find myself in that situation though. | May 24 23:56 |
| Digit | i didnt do it. | May 24 23:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The trustee will wind down my assets. All none of them. | May 24 23:56 |
| Digit | o wait, nm. | May 24 23:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My creditors get nothing, I emerge. | May 24 23:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Hoping we file it soon. | May 24 23:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I sent my lawyer another bill on Friday and haven't heard back about it. | May 24 23:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: It pays to not concern yourself too much with amenities. | May 24 23:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Legally, a bankruptcy trustee can take anything that's not exempt. | May 24 23:58 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: maybe they don't want to risk complications | May 24 23:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if you have a prized record or coin collection or an antique car or something, you bet your ass you can lose that in a Chapter 7. | May 24 23:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bankruptcy isn't primarily aimed at helping the person declaring it. | May 24 23:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's meant to seize their remaining assets and hand them over to the creditors. | May 24 23:59 |
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