●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Thursday, February 25, 2021 ●● ● Feb 25 [00:06] DaemonFC[m] Sometimes when I was on a slow connection, like at the hotel I lived at, I would just install new versions of my web browser and stuff until I had a whole night to let the laptop grab updates. [00:07] DaemonFC[m] The Web is inherently an untrusted platform because it can run things like active scripting. The best practices have long been thrown out, and other than some Tor Hidden Services which are configured to run properly without all of this dangerous junk turned on, nothing works without it anymore. [00:08] DaemonFC[m] Many security experts used to just turn Javascript off because nothing important would usually break without it. [00:08] DaemonFC[m] It's so frequently the source of vulnerabilities, it's like 80% of all vulnerabilities, with most of the rest being fonts, symbols, and codecs. [00:10] techrights-bot #techrights migration to #gemini completed. "At the moment, there are 34727 pages in the gemini capsule, of which 34554 are the articles." [00:11] *CrystalMath is now known as OmniaVanitas [00:15] techrights-bot With #twitter out of my sight I became a lot more productive. Not write-only, either. So much better. #socialcontrolmedia never had much to offer (but harder to see when one gets into a 'routine'). [00:15] *swaggboi has quit (Quit: C-x C-c) [00:15] *swaggboi (~swaggboi@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi) has joined #techrights [00:16] techrights-bot Only videos left on #youtube are the ones saying DO NOT USE YOUTUBE! LOL! https://lbry.tv/@Lunduke:e/SocialMediaDeleted-OneMonthLater:e [00:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lbry.tv | Social Media Deleted... One month later [00:17] techrights-bot This is why (and when) I stopped writing in #twitter (it became passive, automated copies from Diaspora and no replies to anything) http://techrights.org/2020/06/08/twitter-cancel-culture/ [00:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Social Control Media: Where Cancel Culture Thrives | Techrights [00:19] *jaggz (~jaggz@unaffiliated/jaggz) has left #techrights ("Leaving") [00:20] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:20] schestowitz Makes a case for IRC https://lbry.tv/@Lunduke:e/SocialMediaDeleted-OneMonthLater:e [00:28] DaemonFC[m] Apple is actually so much worse than Microsoft. [00:28] DaemonFC[m] At least you can grab the programs you need to compile stuff for Windows without paying for an SDK, wondering if it'll even work soon, and paying every year to sign your code or else it won't run. [00:29] schestowitz There's more to those companies than that [00:30] schestowitz afaik, apple does not infiltrate companies to destroy them [00:30] schestowitz it's a microsoft thing [00:30] MinceR they're competing pretty hard for the title of the worst [00:30] schestowitz so the comparison isn't apt [00:30] DaemonFC[m] And even now, most of the software actually runs on Windows 7, even though it's unsupported, because there's enough forwards and backwards compatibility from there to gather a wide swath of users. It rapidly becomes impossible to support anyone who is stuck on a version of macOS that's more than a few years old. [00:30] MinceR and then there's dehoma [00:30] MinceR g [00:30] schestowitz also, apple rarely forces you to use its stuff (afaik, correct me if wrong) [00:30] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Apple just buys them. [00:30] schestowitz cups [00:30] schestowitz what else? [00:30] DaemonFC[m] Tim Cook mentioned this morning that Apple bought a company every 4-6 weeks for the last ten years. [00:30] schestowitz he means hiring [00:30] schestowitz there's a word for that [00:31] DaemonFC[m] Imagine all of the lost innovation. They don't buy the company to support the things it was making. [00:31] MinceR acquhiring [00:31] schestowitz you hire by pretending to buy "assets" [00:31] schestowitz MinceR: that too [00:31] schestowitz there's a variant on that [00:31] DaemonFC[m] They do it so they don't have to expand into another market, to compete, to make better stuff. [00:31] schestowitz to make themselves look big [00:31] schestowitz to shareholders [00:31] schestowitz they buy companies for paper (fictional) money [00:31] schestowitz the salaries are the pay [00:31] schestowitz or shares [00:31] schestowitz without much money actually changing hands [00:32] schestowitz helps large companies fake their worth ("market cap") [00:32] DaemonFC[m] In 1997, they bought a licensee that made Mac clones so that they wouldn't be sued for ruining them. [00:33] DaemonFC[m] They certainly didn't need the company, but they paid $110 million for it after announcing no new versions of Mac OS would run on their computers. [00:34] techrights-bot Let's hope this year is the year #manCity finally wins Champions League... http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Sixth-Wedding-Anniversary/Champions-League/20180919_192443 [00:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | 20180919 192443 [00:37] DaemonFC[m] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearson_Education#%22Pineapple-Gate%22 [00:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Pearson Education - Wikipedia [00:37] DaemonFC[m] Standardized school tests from a company that can't get an eighth grade math problem right. [00:44] schestowitz lol [00:47] techrights-bot Links 25/2/2021: #KaliLinux 2021.1, #WineLauncher 1.4.46, and Googles #Security Posing http://techrights.org/2021/02/24/kali-linux-2021-1/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/24/kali-linux-2021-1/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/02/25/#latest [00:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 25/2/2021: Kali Linux 2021.1, Wine Launcher 1.4.46, and Googles Security Posing | Techrights [00:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [00:49] techrights-bot #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148111 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [00:50] techrights-bot #WordPress Bloat and Moving Off #ikiwiki http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148112 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | WordPress Bloat and Moving Off ikiwiki | Tux Machines [00:50] techrights-bot Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148113 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [00:55] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [00:57] psydroid Microsoft is just trying anything the company can lay its hands on to see if it will stick, but I wonder what the point is if their business is decreasing overall even in their core market [00:58] psydroid https://www.extremetech.com/computing/320088-microsoft-bleeds-market-share-as-chromebooks-outsell-macs-for-the-first-time [00:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Bleeds Market Share as Chromebooks Outsell Macs for the First Time - ExtremeTech [00:58] MinceR there's a less charitable expression for that :> [00:58] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) ● Feb 25 [01:03] schestowitz MinceR: don't underestimate the ruthlessness of a corners vicious animal [01:03] schestowitz see intel, raspi, lf, js... 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[02:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 [02:32] DaemonFC[m] https://wgntv.com/news/chicago-news/cdc-report-68-of-people-who-exercised-indoors-at-one-chicago-gym-contracted-covid-19/ [02:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | CDC report: 68% of people who exercised indoors at one Chicago gym contracted COVID-19 | WGN-TV [02:32] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: ^ [02:32] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-02-24.txt [02:37] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 30.03 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 10.45 swarm size (avg): 117.58 [02:57] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [02:59] *aindilis has quit (Remote host closed the connection) ● Feb 25 [03:01] techrights-ipfs IPFS local node stats TotalIn: 7.6 MB TotalOut: 3.1 MB [03:01] techrights-ipfs New bulletin just generated and added to IPFS with CID: [03:02] techrights-ipfs QmTJDPW4SySqJM91re39cWCksjMPCgmn9cidUgKb9EK8oY [03:37] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 29.96 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 7.43 swarm size (avg): 117.67 [03:42] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [03:44] DaemonFC[m] People going to the gym after they already know they're sick. [03:44] DaemonFC[m] Well, that's very nice of them. [03:47] MinceR humans generally don't seem to care about anyone else ● Feb 25 [04:03] *genr8 (~genr8_@unaffiliated/genbtc) has joined #techrights [04:04] *genr8_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [04:05] *phebus has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [04:07] *phebus (~phebus@fsf/member/phebus) has joined #techrights [04:17] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [04:20] DaemonFC[m] Seems that way. [04:21] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [04:37] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.40 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 8.46 swarm size (avg): 117.94 ● Feb 25 [05:05] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [05:37] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.01 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.40 swarm size (avg): 118.20 [05:39] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Support Richard Stallman! | https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/) [05:56] techrights-bot #Techrights Bulletin for Wednesday, February 24, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [05:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives ● Feb 25 [06:00] techrights-bot #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [06:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [06:06] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [06:10] techrights-bot Useful Tips & Tricks of #Kubuntu #KNotes https://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2021/02/useful-tips-tricks-of-kubuntu-knotes.html #kde #gnu #linux [06:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ubuntubuzz.com | Useful Tips & Tricks of Kubuntu KNotes [06:22] techrights-bot http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148116 #rustlang causing functional old computers to get rusty. #plannedObsolescence http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ [06:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Federico Mena-Quintero: Librsvg, Rust, and non-mainstream architectures | Tux Machines [06:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights [06:22] techrights-bot Federico Mena-Quintero: Librsvg, Rust, and non-mainstream architectures http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148116 #rustlang causing functional old computers to get rusty. #plannedObsolescence http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ [06:27] techrights-bot #GNOME 40 Beta Released With Many Improvements http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148093#comment-28405 #gnu #linux [06:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME 40 Beta Released for Public Testing, Heres Whats New | Tux Machines [06:30] techrights-bot Upselling #ubuntu https://ubuntu.com//blog/dfi-and-canonical-offer-risk-free-system-updates-and-reduced-software-lead-times-for-the-iot-ecosystem [06:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DFI and Canonical offer risk-free system updates and reduced software lead times for the IoT ecosystem | Ubuntu [06:32] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148117 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [06:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [06:37] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.63 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 7.00 swarm size (avg): 118.24 [06:42] techrights-bot "Raspberry Pi was built to educate students about computers and teach them about programming" https://linuxhint.com/about-raspberry-pi-zero/ Now, however, it's a #microsoft #TrojanHorse to push #ProprietarySoftware 'drugs' to kids http://techrights.org/2021/02/22/telemetry-raspberry-pi-goals/ [06:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxhint.com | What is the Raspberry Pi Zero used for? Linux Hint [06:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: We Aint Done Until Raspberry Pi Wont Run (Anything But Our Proprietary Software With Telemetry Surveillance) | Techrights [06:43] techrights-bot "Raspberry Pi was released in 2012 with the intention of teaching students about computers" https://linuxhint.com/difference-between-raspberry-pi-3-and-4/ Now pushing #microsoft to them against their will: http://techrights.org/2021/02/22/telemetry-raspberry-pi-goals/ [06:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxhint.com | What is the Difference Between Raspberry Pi 3 and 4? Linux Hint [06:44] techrights-bot #Kubuntu vs. #Ubuntu http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148118 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [06:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu | Tux Machines [06:44] techrights-bot #KDE vs. #GNOME everything you need to know http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148119 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [06:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE vs. GNOME everything you need to know | Tux Machines [06:44] techrights-bot Best Messaging and Communications Apps for #Ubuntu http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148120 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [06:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Messaging and Communications Apps for Ubuntu | Tux Machines [06:45] psydroid this infuriating blog post only gives more of an incentive to replace Rust-infected software with something that can be compiled and works on your specific hardware [06:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines | Do you waddle the waddle? [06:48] techrights-bot StereoPi v2 stereoscopic camera is powered by #RaspberryPi CM4 (Crowdfunding) https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/02/25/stereopi-v2-stereoscopic-camera-is-powered-by-raspberry-pi-cm4/ so will #raspi Foundation also push #microsoft #malware into cameras? http://techrights.org/2021/02/22/telemetry-raspberry-pi-goals/ [06:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | StereoPi v2 stereoscopic camera is powered by Raspberry Pi CM4 (Crowdfunding) [06:48] psydroid also if you port something to Rust, give it a different name while keeping the original source around for platforms where Rust isn't supported [06:48] psydroid I ran into this problem with librsvg myself [06:49] techrights-bot "This Week in Rust is openly developed on GitHub." The usual paradox of developing "openly" while requiring people to get an account with Microsoft and then use proprietary software of Microsoft, which attacks Free software. https://this-week-in-rust.org/blog/2021/02/24/this-week-in-rust-379/ [06:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-this-week-in-rust.org | This Week in Rust 379 This Week in Rust [06:52] techrights-bot The #Talospace Project: #Firefox 86 on POWER http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148031#comment-28406 #mozilla [06:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firefox 87 Enters Beta with the Backspace Key Disabled as a Back Button | Tux Machines [06:57] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [06:57] techrights-bot #oracle takes advantage of #ibm hostility towards #Centos users https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/update-centos-linux-for-free [06:59] techrights-bot "Storage is one of the cheapest IT commodities in todays market. Running low on disk space? Just grab a brand new high-capacity storage device from the market. Need high-performance storage? Then grab a high-performance SSD." https://linuxhint.com/add-new-disk-device-fedora-linux/ ● Feb 25 [07:00] *TechrightsBot-tr has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [07:12] techrights-bot If you value #security you will #deletegithub https://lwn.net/Articles/846272/ also see http://techrights.org/2019/07/14/blaming-canonical-for-github/ [07:16] techrights-bot A lot of so-called 'articles' from #corporateMedia should say #microsoft #github #malware rather than "Open Source something something malware"; they conveniently ignore that/how much of this malware comes from #proprietarySoftware MICROSOFT site [07:18] techrights-bot Development statistics for the #linux 5.11 #kernel https://lwn.net/Articles/845831/ #LWN [07:20] *techrights-bot has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [07:22] *techrights-bot (~techright@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9e47:addf:5b42:cd6d) has joined #techrights [07:22] techrights-bot Links 25/2/2021: #KaliLinux 2021.1, #WineLauncher 1.4.46, and Googles #Security Posing http://techrights.org/2021/02/24/kali-linux-2021-1/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/24/kali-linux-2021-1/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/02/25/#latest [07:23] techrights-bot "Aside from native Linux games and Windows games there are a huge amount of browser based games that work on any system including Linux." https://www.unixmen.com/can-linux-run-video-games/ #gnu #linux #games [07:25] techrights-bot What goes into default Debian? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148123 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #Debian #FreesW [07:26] techrights-bot Christian Hergert: #Sysprof and #Podman http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148122 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [07:26] techrights-bot #RaspberryPi Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148121 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #Raspi (which has issues, reasons to avoid for now) http://techrights.org/2021/02/18/raspberry-pi-breaks-up-with-free-software-community/ [07:26] techrights-bot Security: #DFI and #Canonical , IBM/Red Hat/CentOS and Oracle, Malware in GitHub http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148124 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [07:29] techrights-bot NEWS #Tailscale #security How often should I rotate my ssh keys? https://tailscale.com/blog/rotate-ssh-keys/ [07:31] techrights-bot NEWS #RohanKumar #Licensing #freesw Keeping platforms open https://seirdy.one/2021/02/23/keeping-platforms-open.html [07:36] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.63 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 7.00 swarm size (avg): 118.05 [07:41] techrights-bot Banks and oligarchs/corporations: Privatise the profits, socialise the risk. Big pharma vaccine drive: "sign this paper. If it works, fine. We get rich. If it does harm, you cannot sue us." 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Download and Test Now! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148126 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines ● Feb 25 [09:05] techrights-bot #IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/02/25/irc-log-240221/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/25/irc-log-240221/ [09:54] *galactic__ (~galactic@ip68-8-236-3.sd.sd.cox.net) has joined #techrights [09:54] techrights-bot 4 new #freesw licenses http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148127 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:57] *Viper (~Viper@rbose.org) has joined #techrights [09:57] techrights-bot Fake news media: claiming #microsoft "clown" generated X revenue because Microsoft just reclassifies everything "clown". How to make a bunch of phony 'news' when #azure has layoffs. 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I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 [10:14] techrights-bot Audiocasts/Shows: #BSDNow , Coder Radio, and TLLTS (The Linux Link Tech Show) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148128 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [10:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: BSDNow, Coder Radio, and TLLTS (The Linux Link Tech Show) | Tux Machines [10:14] techrights-bot #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148129 #Google #Linux #TuxMachines [10:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines ● Feb 25 [11:00] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [11:39] techrights-bot NEWS #meduza #ru #russia Anything to further my Communist agenda: Another days developments in Navalnys loss of prisoner of conscience status at Amnesty International https://meduza.io/en/feature/2021/02/25/anything-to-further-my-communist-agenda [11:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE [11:53] techrights-bot NEWS #CounterPunch The Mass Deception Machine of Computational Propaganda https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/02/24/the-mass-deception-machine-of-computational-propaganda/ "lobbyists, astroturf PR and political parties." [11:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Mass Deception Machine of Computational Propaganda - CounterPunch.org [11:54] techrights-bot Canonical Released New #Ubuntu #Kernel #Security Update to Fix over 20 Vulnerabilities http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148130 [11:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Released New Ubuntu Kernel Security Update to Fix over 20 Vulnerabilities | Tux Machines [11:54] techrights-bot Building Programs from Source on any #GNULinux Distribution in a simple way http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148131 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [11:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Building Programs from Source on any Linux Distribution in a simple way | Tux Machines ● Feb 25 [12:04] techrights-bot GNU/Linux Reaffirms Its Status as the Universal and Inter-planetary #OperatingSystem http://techrights.org/2021/02/25/interplanetary-gnu-linux/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/25/interplanetary-gnu-linux/ [12:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GNU/Linux Reaffirms Its Status as the Universal and Inter-planetary Operating System | Techrights [12:06] techrights-bot NEWS #Orac #clinicalTrials V-gasm? A confused antivaxxer likens #COVID19 #vaccines to sex and religion https://respectfulinsolence.com/2021/02/24/v-gasm-a-confused-antivaxxer-likens-covid-19-vaccines-to-sex-and-religion/ ignoring the harder-to-debunk sceptics [12:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-respectfulinsolence.com | "V-gasm"? A confused antivaxxer likens COVID-19 vaccines to sex and religion - RESPECTFUL INSOLENCE [12:39] techrights-bot #PCLinuxOS Updates #Firefox , #Thunderbird, and #KDE Plasma http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147392#comment-28408 [12:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Distribution Release: PCLinuxOS 2021.02 | Tux Machines [12:40] techrights-bot "So my Outreachy internship is winding to a close, as is the creation of the first-ever edition of our very own Fedora Zine!" https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/a-sneak-peek-at-fedora-zine/ [12:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | A sneak peek at Fedora Zine Fedora Community Blog [12:42] techrights-bot #Debuginfod project update: New clients and metrics - #RedHat Developer https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2021/02/25/debuginfod-project-update-new-clients-and-metrics/ #ibm [12:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.redhat.com | Debuginfod project update: New clients and metrics - Red Hat Developer [12:43] techrights-bot Buzzword or buzzword. #IBM #RedHat playing favourites... https://opensource.com/article/21/2/aiops-vs-mlops how did so much #marketing junk creep into the technical world? Send them back and away on a horse... [12:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AIOps vs. MLOps: What's the difference? | Opensource.com [12:45] techrights-bot The operating system made for and by scientists (not business sharks and #marketing cults) is winning the battle, and not only in this planet http://techrights.org/2021/02/25/interplanetary-gnu-linux/ #gnu #linux #space #mars [12:48] techrights-bot Incredible lies this week about the #UPC which is failing again and again; Squire Patton Boggs wants to make "sales", so it is lying to clients and the public https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=e546c1fd-2fd4-4e86-8e1a-16befe858fdc see http://techrights.org/2020/12/22/german-constitutional-court-second-take/ [12:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Opt-Out - Companies With Business Interests in Europe Need to Assess Their Patent Portfolio Now - Lexology [12:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The UPC is Dead, Long Live the German Constitutional Court | Techrights [12:52] techrights-bot #Softwarepatent wars going after homes now, and #patent zealots couldn't be happier (they back trolls, take money from trolls https://www.managingip.com/article/b1qq86rq7w1wxj/in-house-frand-wars-coming-to-connected-homes see http://techrights.org/2020/07/10/frand-sep-scam/ [12:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | In-house: FRAND wars coming to connected homes | Managing Intellectual Property [12:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | European FRAND (Related to SEP) Proponent and Famed Programmer Comes to Realise That Its Actually a Scam | Techrights [12:56] techrights-bot This piece spreads falsehoods about #UPC , saying "plans are still underway for the #UnifiedPatentCourt ," which is what they've been saying in vain for a decade or more https://knowledgeplus.algoodbody.com/blog/impact-brexit-ip-law [12:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-knowledgeplus.algoodbody.com | Impact of Brexit on IP law | A&L Goodbody ● Feb 25 [13:05] techrights-bot If #Wikipedia is Controlled by Corporations and Mobs, It Needs to Be Cancelled http://techrights.org/2021/02/25/cancelled-in-wikipedia/ #Techrights #GNU #CancelCulture #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/25/cancelled-in-wikipedia/ [13:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | If Wikipedia is Controlled by Corporations and Mobs, It Needs to Be Cancelled | Techrights [13:14] *mmu_man (~revol@82-65-227-82.subs.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [13:18] techrights-bot "The invites work through the Steam Link app, which has one big caveat at the moment: Valve doesn't currently support a normal Linux desktop with it." #DRM junk? https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/02/valve-launch-a-beta-for-remote-play-together-invite-anyone-no-steam-account-needed [13:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Valve launch a Beta for Remote Play Together - Invite Anyone, no Steam account needed | GamingOnLinux [13:19] techrights-bot "micro cloud deployed in the edge" https://ubuntu.com//blog/what-is-mec-the-telco-edge #canonical and #ubuntu reduced to mindless buzzwords and #marketing [13:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What is MEC ? The telco edge. | Ubuntu [13:54] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights ● Feb 25 [14:23] *koo5 (~koo5@78-80-26-141.customers.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [14:23] techrights-bot Eventually, or Hopefully, Many People Will Come Back to What the Web Used to Be (Or Web Alternatives More Like the Old Web) http://techrights.org/2021/02/25/old-web-or-little-web/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/25/old-web-or-little-web/ [14:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Eventually, or Hopefully, Many People Will Come Back to What the Web Used to Be (Or Web Alternatives More Like the Old Web) | Techrights [14:41] *Hayek has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [14:44] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights ● Feb 25 [15:00] techrights-bot Techrights #Gemini Capsule, Now With Over 35,000 Pages and Files http://techrights.org/2021/02/25/gemini-conversion-status/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/25/gemini-conversion-status/ [15:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Gemini Capsule, Now With Over 35,000 Pages and Files | Techrights [15:06] techrights-bot Oppressive #vaccinepassports with the name "LINUX" slapped onto them http://techrights.org/2021/02/09/no-shame-left/ #linuxfoundation #gatesfoundation #oppression [15:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Foundation of Shame | Techrights [15:08] techrights-bot #zdnet : we don't shill small devices with #unix or #linux on them until they became Trojan horses for #microsoft #proprietarySoftware (link omitted) [15:10] MinceR (cat) https://hugelolcdn.com/i/731601.jpg [15:13] techrights-bot Thugs and #extortion artists from #sisvel doom the illusion #patents advance science http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/02/sisvel-v-haier-ii-further-insights-on.html #blackmail #patentTrolls [15:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Sisvel v. Haier II: Further insights on German judiciarys FRAND approach - The IPKat [15:13] *karolyi[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/txDrzivLCiDHqvEyajfVzPed/message.txt > [15:14] techrights-bot Facts have never truly mattered in #socialcontrolmedia sites; it certainly seems as though #Wikipedia now suffers the very same issue/deficit http://techrights.org/2021/02/25/cancelled-in-wikipedia/ #Techrights #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/25/cancelled-in-wikipedia/ [15:15] techrights-bot With #RSS feeds making a comeback and a resurgence of personal blogs we can take back the Web from a cabal of tech/Internet giants and social control media, censored, curated and spied on by oligarchy http://techrights.org/2021/02/25/old-web-or-little-web/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/25/old-web-or-little-web/ [15:16] techrights-bot #techrights Blog posts combined with static (plain text) files are now 36,000+ in number, just for #Geminiprotocol alone; that number keeps growing as our conversion proceeds and evolves http://techrights.org/2021/02/25/gemini-conversion-status/ #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/25/gemini-conversion-status/ [15:17] techrights-bot #Xubuntu 21.04 Progress Update http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148133 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #xfce [15:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Xubuntu 21.04 Progress Update | Tux Machines [15:17] techrights-bot Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148132 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #www [15:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [15:18] techrights-bot #Patents ... #FakePatents everywhere. https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/02/obviousness-of-substitution.html #uspto #boguspatents #ptab [15:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Obviousness of a Substitution | Patently-O [15:19] techrights-bot The "Sponsored by" part of this post says who paid for such #propaganda of #robberbarons and their #lawyers https://www.managingip.com/article/b1qq9h5bkhknl5/devialet-navigating-the-wild-west-of-online-sales [15:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Devialet: Navigating the Wild West of online sales | Managing Intellectual Property [15:21] techrights-bot #Patents of so-called 'beauty brands' (not #trademarks but patents) serve to show how perverse and laughable #patent #law has universally become because of lobbying/bribery (law on sale) https://www.managingip.com/article/b1qqb0bjxqzj90/how-beauty-brands-take-personal-care-of-their-patents [15:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | How beauty brands take personal care of their patents | Managing Intellectual Property [15:22] techrights-bot Only the USA, #Liberia and #Myanmar still use imperial weights and measures https://bkhome.org/news/202102/only-the-usa-liberia-and-myanmar-still-use-imperial-weights-and-measures.html #burma [15:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bkhome.org | Only the USA, Liberia and Myanmar still use imperial weights and measures [15:24] techrights-bot 4 of the Best #LastPass Alternatives https://www.maketecheasier.com/alternatives-to-lastpass/ you already give these crooks all your passwords (they're near #nsa BTW) and now they're after your wallet, too [15:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | 4 of the Best LastPass Alternatives - Make Tech Easier [15:26] techrights-bot #KaliLinux s First Release Of 2021 Brings in New Hacking Tools, Linux Kernel 5.10 and Xfce 4.16 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148105#comment-28409 #gnu #linux #security [15:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kali Linux 2021.1 Release (Command-Not-Found) | Tux Machines [15:36] *superkuh_ is now known as superkuh [15:40] MinceR (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2021/02/12/103cd6a8ecd181ba.mp4 [15:41] techrights-bot "Avoid any free email service. Free email is never really free." gemini://breadpunk.club/~bagel/protonmail.gmi #email #YouAreTheProduct #protonmail #google #microsoft [15:42] techrights-bot I've paid for my email hosting for nearly 20 years now. I am not the product. #email #pgp #privacy [15:44] techrights-bot "I've been working more on Gemini. I added CGI support to gmnisrv and wrote a few CGI scripts to do neato Gemini things with." Yes, #gemini protocol can support client-side requests, i.e. something akin to webforms gemini://drewdevault.com/2020/11/15/Status-update-November-2020.gmi [15:47] XRevan86 MinceR: I like how far away the tone of the translation is from the original. [15:47] MinceR :> [15:50] techrights-bot devault.com/2021/02/09/Rust-move-fast-and-break-things.gmi see http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ [15:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights [15:51] XRevan86 "wheel, wheel, wheel, watch it" "be sure to mind the steering wheel, Cyrill" [15:51] MinceR :) [15:51] techrights-bot concerned, some matters demand leaving the norm: old [15:52] techrights-bot "Rewrite-it-in-Rust has become a moral imperative. Well, heres a moral argument: throwing away serviceable computers every couple of years to upgrade is a privilege that not all of your users have, contributes to climate change, and fills up landfills. As far as security is hardware is the only kind that can avoid proprietary firmware blobs, Intel ME or AMD PSP, and UEFI. Novel hardware which addresses issues like [15:52] techrights-bot stream-or-bust regime. Anyone left behind is forced to use the legacy C codebase youve abandoned, which is much worse for their security than the hypothetical bugs youre trying to save them from." gemini://drewdevault.com/2021/02/09/Rust-move-fast-and-break-things.gmi see http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ [15:53] MinceR maybe they're better off with that C codebase than hipster move-fast-and-break-everything stuff [15:55] techrights-bot "To the Rust team: its time to calm down. Slow down the language, write a specification, focus on improving your tier 2 and tier 3 targets, expand to more platforms, and work on performance, stability, and accessibility." https://drewdevault.com/2021/02/09/Rust-move-fast-and-break-things.html [15:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-drewdevault.com | Rust: "Move fast and break things" as a moral imperative [15:59] techrights-bot Imbalanced wheels https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2021/02/12/103cd6a8ecd181ba.mp4 ● Feb 25 [16:01] schestowitz MinceR: pimp your ride [16:03] MinceR schestowitz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWMpHc77qNI [16:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Volkswagen: Un-pimp Your Ride, compilation. - YouTube [16:08] *tr_guest|41007 (5878285f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.88.120.40.95) has joined #techrights [16:08] *tr_guest|41007 has quit (Client Quit) [16:45] schestowitz OK, did some php work [16:45] MinceR my condolences [16:46] schestowitz Scroll down to http://techrights.org/2021/02/25/gemini-conversion-status/ at the bottom -- the place where it says where the gemini canonical form/URL is [16:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Gemini Capsule, Now With Over 35,000 Pages and Files | Techrights [16:46] schestowitz does that look clear enough? [16:46] MinceR yes [16:47] MinceR maybe it's worth making into a link though [16:48] schestowitz no browser supports that yet [16:48] schestowitz afaik [16:49] Techrights-sec2 It looks ok, but the pre elements seem to negate the quotation in gemini itself [16:49] schestowitz I need clarity on that statement. I did not use pre but can add that [16:50] MinceR afaik some browsers can already use other programs to open URLs of particular schemas [16:50] schestowitz drew devault makes that a clickable url (href), but I don't know of a browser that can handle it and it drives falkon mad [16:50] schestowitz MinceR: that's what I expected, but not on my system [16:50] MinceR it may depend on configuration [16:51] schestowitz let me check a bit [16:51] Techrights-sec2 I expect that it might be some while before the various browsers recognize [16:51] Techrights-sec2 gemini:// as part of a URL. I doubt that the Chromium- Chrome-based ones [16:51] Techrights-sec2 ever will. [16:53] schestowitz I have turned the word "Gemini" into a link for those who are new to it and don't know what that is [16:54] Techrights-sec2 The difficulty in Chromium 83 is that the URL is not highlightable by clicking. The line above it gets selected at the same time [16:54] schestowitz I noticed the line selection issue and was about to correct it. per of code would be unsuitable for pages with long URL, which would vanish from sight [16:55] Techrights-sec2 Firefox 85 does the same thing, so it may be a matter of changing [16:55] Techrights-sec2 the markup so that the link gets highlighted when double clikcing [16:58] Techrights-sec2 Ok. Linking the name Gemini helps, but I wonder about the URL itself. [16:58] schestowitz try again now (any page) [16:59] Techrights-sec2 Yep. That works. [16:59] Techrights-sec2 It is much easier to select the URL now. [16:59] schestowitz We can always change that later and it is set apart from the WordPress core, so it won't be lost with updates ● Feb 25 [17:00] schestowitz We might also want to extend our Gemini HTTP intro page at some point, e.g. pointing to some clients/browsers one can download (too many are on shithub sadly and many use rust) [17:01] Techrights-sec2 Yes, but I have not followed developments in the client area. [17:02] schestowitz I could, in theory make that link clickable (or put URL next to it) for a http proxy of gemini [17:02] DaemonFC[m] I can't remember the last time I opened Firefox other than to get a password from it. [17:03] Techrights-sec2 Rust is a mess, especially for the non-x86 market. x86 is more important [17:03] Techrights-sec2 that it was for a while. [17:03] Techrights-sec2 No need to add proxies, for now I think. [17:03] Techrights-sec2 The big barrier is the lack of clients in the repositories. [17:04] Techrights-sec2 $ apt-cache search ^gemini | wc -l [17:04] Techrights-sec2 0 [17:04] schestowitz but at least they have vscode :) for the pi anyway [17:05] schestowitz they even audited all the proprietary secret code ;-) [17:05] XRevan86 schestowitz: I've seen something about you trying Rust on ARM "of course" unsuccessfully. What was that about? [17:05] schestowitz a waste of space [17:05] schestowitz and time [17:05] schestowitz time/space [17:05] schestowitz didn't work [17:06] schestowitz for some gemini client I wanted to test [17:06] schestowitz get almost 700MB of "Stuff" [17:06] schestowitz for gemini, yes [17:06] schestowitz which is so simple you could write a client for it in 50 LOCs [17:07] *XRevan86 just checked: rust takes up about 200M excluding documentation. [17:09] XRevan86 https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/rustc architectures here: x86 (32 and 64), MIPS LE (32 and 64), ARM (32 and 64), PowerPC LE 64 and S/390. [17:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-packages.debian.org | Debian -- Details of package rustc in bullseye [17:13] techrights-bot Extending no-cost #RedHat Enterprise Linux to open source organizations http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148134 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #IBM [17:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Extending no-cost Red Hat Enterprise Linux to open source organizations | Tux Machines [17:13] techrights-bot #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148135 #Google #Linux #TuxMachines [17:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [17:15] XRevan86 + RISC-V and SPARC in Sid [17:17] XRevan86 LLVM supporting less architectures is not a concern for ARM, it's a concern for something like PA-RISC [17:25] *viera has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [17:26] *Ariadne has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [17:27] *TechrightsBot-tr has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [17:29] *Ariadne (~ariadne@2602:fd37:1::86) has joined #techrights [17:31] *swaggboi has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [17:47] *swaggboi (~swaggboi@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi) has joined #techrights [17:48] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/02/21/5bfbae9329fc7501.png [17:48] DaemonFC[m] Well, I scheduled myself for the COVID vaccine. [17:48] DaemonFC[m] I have to go downstate again. [17:51] techrights-bot #Xubuntu 21.04 to Ship with #Xfce 4.16, Ayatana Indicators, and New Apps http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148136 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:58] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: stay on topic if possible.. [17:58] schestowitz XRevan86: so it really is bloated [17:59] schestowitz how much is good old C, even if you include the compiler chain? [17:59] schestowitz maybe less than 100MB [17:59] schestowitz libc, gcc etc. [17:59] DaemonFC[m] I hope I don't have reactions to it because I'll be driving. [17:59] schestowitz Mozilla gave us a beast like Electron [17:59] schestowitz or node.js [17:59] DaemonFC[m] Everyone I personally know said it was okay or just a slight headache. [17:59] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: maybe COVID will kill you ● Feb 25 [18:00] schestowitz all that driving [18:00] XRevan86 rust: 90M, rust-std: 80M, cargo: 10M, rust-gdb: 50M, rust-fmt: 7M [18:00] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/02/21/f0a47d33a88b9432.jpg [18:00] DaemonFC[m] I don't typically drive too much outside of town. [18:00] DaemonFC[m] But all of the appointments that are anywhere close to a heavily populated area are taken. [18:01] techrights-bot NEWS #MintPressNews #Twitter #DeleteTwitter #imperialism Twitters Attempt to Suppress #Grayzone Reporting Backfires as Warning Label Becomes Meme https://www.mintpressnews.com/twitter-attempt-suppress-grayzone-reporting-backfires-warning-label-becomes-meme/275616/ [18:01] XRevan86 gcc: 100M [18:02] XRevan86 g++ is another 30M [18:02] *TechrightsBot-tr (~TR@techrights.org) has joined #techrights [18:02] TechrightsBot-tr Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 [18:03] DaemonFC[m] I probably won't be so concerned about wearing these damned masks after April 6th. [18:03] DaemonFC[m] I should be totally immune by then. [18:03] *viera (~viera@2602:fd37:1::84) has joined #techrights [18:03] schestowitz let's talk about programming [18:03] schestowitz XRevan86: OK, so the compilation collections are big too [18:04] XRevan86 schestowitz: That's just C [18:04] schestowitz you don't need them to just run programs [18:04] XRevan86 gcc-fortran: 50M [18:05] XRevan86 schestowitz: You don't need a rust compiler to just run programmes either. [18:06] XRevan86 All that 200M will just shrink to a few K's of rust-std bits inside the binary and a libc requirement. [18:10] XRevan86 LLVM also takes about 90M, that's also needed for the rust compiler. [18:11] DaemonFC[m] FreeBASIC is interesting, but seems to be relatively unmaintained. [18:11] DaemonFC[m] I don't think they ever ported the GTK+ bindings to GTK+ 3 so there's probably not going to be a port to GTK+ 4. [18:12] DaemonFC[m] I think it used SDL for graphics. I noticed the SDL people called OpenGL a giant dumpster fire a while back. [18:12] DaemonFC[m] To be fair, it is. [18:12] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: It's the closest BASIC has ever gotten to be usable. [18:13] DaemonFC[m] John Carmack was asked why they were still using it if he thought Direct3D had improved and he said they already had a process in place and people who were used to OpenGL, so the friction of change would be severe. [18:13] XRevan86 But then there's a problem of BASIC not being a useful language. [18:13] DaemonFC[m] Now that Bethesda owns them, I'm surprised that not everything has been moved over to Direct3D instead of Vulkan. [18:14] DaemonFC[m] Vulkan has too many ties to Microsoft now. They want to control everything, and buying influence in Khronos is just a rehash of what happened to the OpenGL Architecture Review Board where Microsoft polluted it with junk and used their seat to cost them years while they were developing DirectX. [18:14] XRevan86 The same problem as with Free Pascal. [18:14] *acer-box__ (~acer-box@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9ed2:1eff:feb6:a8e1) has joined #techrights [18:14] -NickServ-acer-box__!~acer-box@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9ed2:1eff:feb6:a8e1 has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) [18:14] *acer-box__ has quit (Changing host) [18:14] *acer-box__ (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [18:15] *acer-box has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [18:15] DaemonFC[m] At this point, I think that probably what will end up happening on Windows 10 at some point is the removal of support for Vulkan ICDs, and then Khronos will probably do a MoltenVK style thing on top of Direct3D 12. [18:17] XRevan86 > I think it used SDL for graphics. [18:17] XRevan86 I think you're confusing it with QB64 [18:18] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft and the hardware OEMs will say "ICDs provide an inconsistent and jarring end user experience and a compatibility library on top of Direct3D is better for our users anyway.". [18:18] DaemonFC[m] This is already happening on Windows 10 on ARM devices, by the way. [18:18] DaemonFC[m] They don't support ICDs and Microsoft is porting Vulkan to run on top of Direct3D. [18:18] DaemonFC[m] Well, I take that back. They are calling the Vulkan on D3D an ICD, but it's really just a dll hack in userspace. [18:18] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: Microsoft, Microsoft never changes. [18:19] DaemonFC[m] They're framing it as "meeting developers where they are", but in reality they want them to port to D3D so they're doing extra work just to support Windows. [18:19] DaemonFC[m] Because the Vulkan stuff will work but it'll be laggy, and that's exactly what you want with graphics stuff. [18:20] DaemonFC[m] So users will complain and twist the developer's arm to port it to D3D. [18:21] DaemonFC[m] Putting out a build of your software for Windows on ARM is going to be a huge mistake. [18:21] DaemonFC[m] Because then you're going to have to maintain completely different graphics API code for a platform that isn't really popular and likely won't be. [18:26] techrights-bot #IBM and Qt Dont Understand Free Software and They Now Impose Terms and Conditions on Who Qualifies for Use of Free Software Free of Charge http://techrights.org/2021/02/25/rhel-with-new-terms-and-conditions/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/25/rhel-with-new-terms-and-conditions/ [18:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM and Qt Dont Understand Free Software and They Now Impose Terms and Conditions on Who Qualifies for Use of Free Software Free of Charge | Techrights [18:27] techrights-bot NEWS #Tor #torproject New Release: #TorBrowser 10.5a11 https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor-browser-105a11 [18:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.torproject.org | New Release: Tor Browser 10.5a11 | Tor Blog [18:29] DaemonFC[m] Qt is getting to be a major problem. The licensing. [18:30] DaemonFC[m] GTK+ is still very much Free Software, but it's also the inferior of the two. [18:30] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: That's a very sad dilemma. [18:30] techrights-bot Linux support for Skullgirls to continue, everyone upgraded to Skullgirls 2nd Encore free | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/02/linux-support-for-skullgirls-to-continue-everyone-upgraded-to-skullgirls-2nd-encore-free #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games #Gaming [18:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux support for Skullgirls to continue, everyone upgraded to Skullgirls 2nd Encore free | GamingOnLinux [18:31] techrights-bot Top 7 Predictions for #GNU #Linux #Gaming in 2021 - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/top-7-predictions-for-linux-gaming-in-2021/ #boilingsteam [18:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | Top 7 Predictions for Linux Gaming in 2021 - Boiling Steam [18:32] DaemonFC[m] If nobody forks the latest version of Qt that's under a Free license and stops the Qt Company from using the additions to pressure them to come back to the table, then it's going to get too far away and probably KDE will collapse. [18:32] MinceR not much of a dilemma [18:32] DaemonFC[m] It's going to be impossible to depend on Qt in long term support editions of KDE at this point. [18:32] MinceR just use Tk, FLTK or something else instead of Qt or GTK+ [18:33] DaemonFC[m] Because a lot of the work necessary to plug security holes was coming from upstream. [18:33] MinceR or make a TUI application instead of GUI [18:33] techrights-bot #Linux #Kernel #security to be boosted by #Google funding developers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148084#comment-28410 [18:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google funds Linux kernel developers to work exclusively on security | Tux Machines [18:33] DaemonFC[m] The company controlling Qt has now caused a situation like this a few times. [18:33] DaemonFC[m] Like, KDE was using it even when it was just flat out not FOSS. [18:34] techrights-bot #RedHat is becoming as free as #shareware or #freeware in some regard; one might say that they even mimic the immorality of the 'ethical' licences while working for companies that bomb people http://techrights.org/2021/02/25/rhel-with-new-terms-and-conditions/ #IBM #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/25/rhel-with-new-terms-and-cond [18:35] techrights-bot #Blender3d 2.92 Adds a Brand-New Workflow for Editing Meshes, New Physics Simulation Methods http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148137 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #freesw [18:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Blender 2.92 Adds a Brand-New Workflow for Editing Meshes, New Physics Simulation Methods | Tux Machines [18:36] DaemonFC[m] So unless attitudes in KDE have changed or the Qt Company has made it impossible to use it as non-Free software, then KDE itself may have to be considered non-Free again. [18:36] MinceR it went to shit anyway [18:36] MinceR just like the DE which was originally supposed to be like KDE, but free [18:37] DaemonFC[m] I found some more savings in the budget. The dental college is open again so I only need to pay $10 for a cleaning instead of over $160 at the dentist. [18:37] DaemonFC[m] So I said, well hey I budgeted for the $160, so I'll put $100 in a I Bond and $50 for gas to go get my COVID shots. Call it even. [18:38] DaemonFC[m] These goddamned roboadvisors keep fucking people. [18:38] DaemonFC[m] They call it AI, but whose AI is it? [18:38] DaemonFC[m] Do people think someone wrote an investment robot to make money for them or the people who wrote the robot? [18:39] DaemonFC[m] They tried putting Mandy's retirement money into some idiotic AI robot account that I'm sure is terrific for the bank. I chose to just put it all in a large cap stock fund. [18:40] DaemonFC[m] Also, apps.... [18:40] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: The news was interviewing old people who complain it's hard for them to schedule a COVID vaccine because they don't know how to work a computer. [18:41] *rianne (~rianne@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:41db:7d56:9d7:3636) has joined #techrights [18:41] *asusbox (~rianne@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:41db:7d56:9d7:3636) has joined #techrights [18:41] DaemonFC[m] The numeric keypad on this laptop is so much more convenient than on that Yoga one. [18:42] DaemonFC[m] I sat down and typed in dozens of zip codes into several pharmacies to find an appointment for myself and I finally found one in downstate again. [18:42] DaemonFC[m] I have no idea why the state is sending so much down there. [18:42] DaemonFC[m] Nobody lives there. It's causing people from the cities to get desperate and drive downstate simply because that's where the state sent the vaccine doses. [18:43] DaemonFC[m] As far as anyone knows probably between 10-30% of Americans have had COVID at this point. [18:43] DaemonFC[m] So if you can get a vaccine sooner your odds are better at continuing to successfully remain in the majority that has not had it so far. [18:43] *asusbox2 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [18:43] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [18:44] DaemonFC[m] Nobody really knows because testing is everywhere but half of all people have no symptoms and would only get a test if it's required. [18:44] DaemonFC[m] I ran the numbers and if I got it I'd have about a 0.7% chance of dying, but that's not greatly comforting because I'd have a 20% chance of being hospitalized and a 10% chance of ending up in the ICU. [18:47] DaemonFC[m] So schestowitz is making a flawed calculation here. Would I die? 99.3% chance of not dying? Would I be miserable? Probably. Would I end up with a million dollars being owed to the nearest hospital and unable to file bankruptcy again? 1 in 5 chance. [18:47] DaemonFC[m] It's pretty bad when one hospitalization can leave someone owing a hospital between half and 80% of the entire amount of money they will ever see in the rest of their life....And they're in their 20s or 30s. [18:50] techrights-bot #apple is in #nsa PRISM. This is merely #privacy posing from mass #surveillance company Apple. Hypocrites and liars. https://www.maketecheasier.com/apple-forces-google-show-collected-gmail-data-iphone/ [18:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Apple Forces Google to Show Collected Gmail Data on iPhone - Make Tech Easier [18:51] techrights-bot #KDEneon 20210225 is out. #kde based #gnu #linux distro based in the #uk or Scotland. https://neon.kde.org/ [18:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-neon.kde.org | KDE neon [18:52] DaemonFC[m] I suppose you could say the whole thing is a shit sandwich. [18:52] DaemonFC[m] People are being pressured between an unknown factor (the vaccine) or possible death or wishing they were dead when the bill comes from the hospital. [18:55] techrights-bot Games: Valve, #Skullgirls , Top 7 Predictions for Linux #Gaming in 2021, and New Record http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148138 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Valve, Skullgirls, Top 7 Predictions for Linux Gaming in 2021, and New Record | Tux Machines ● Feb 25 [19:01] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148139 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [19:01] MinceR (cat) https://ircz.de/p/21021153 [19:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5230366) [19:10] techrights-bot Get Notifications On Your Desktop Or Phone When A Long-Running Command Has Finished With #Noti http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148141 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Get Notifications On Your Desktop Or Phone When A Long-Running Command Has Finished With Noti | Tux Machines [19:10] techrights-bot #IBM / #RedHat Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148140 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:16] MinceR DaemonFC[m]: at least in uhmerica the state isn't trying to push alleged "vaccines" on you that are so shitty the institutions producing them don't even dare submit them for approval by the EMA [19:16] MinceR the sinopharm vaccine is so shitty they didn't even let the OGYI inspect it [19:18] techrights-bot Graphics: AMD, NVIDIA, and Microsofts "Embrace" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148142 #Graphics #Kernel #Linux #TuxMachines [19:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics: AMD, NVIDIA, and Microsoft's "Embrace" | Tux Machines [19:24] DaemonFC[m] Orban has an election coming up. [19:25] MinceR does he? [19:25] DaemonFC[m] We must do something, this is something. Will he roll up his sleeve? Probably not. [19:25] DaemonFC[m] Well, in the sense that Putin does, I suppose. [19:25] MinceR ah. :> [19:25] DaemonFC[m] The election doesn't have to be fake if they can water it down with fake parties. [19:25] DaemonFC[m] And that was Trump's strategy. Prop up Howie Hawkins in close states. [19:26] DaemonFC[m] See if they could get Kanye to siphon some blacks. [19:26] MinceR kinky. [19:26] DaemonFC[m] Roy still posts links to the Russian Green Party. Hawkins, Stein, the other fake candidates. [19:26] DaemonFC[m] So does Richard Stallman. [19:27] DaemonFC[m] The Green Party wouldn't be able to win even if they weren't fake because they were only on the ballot in 38/50 states last year. [19:27] DaemonFC[m] And I doubt that they'd get 51% of the vote in Idaho. [19:27] MinceR there's a difference between genuine parties that merely have no chance of succeeding in a two-party system and parties set up by members of the governing party or their allies to screw up the election [19:28] MinceR especially if the latter have deliberately misleading names [19:28] DaemonFC[m] The Green Party is a Republican and Russian sponsored fake party. [19:28] MinceR could come in handy when the trumpist wing of the GOP splits off :> [19:28] DaemonFC[m] Intended to sabotage the Democrats at the ballot box. [19:29] DaemonFC[m] 0.3% of the vote isn't enough to win, but it is maybe enough to take the Democrat down enough for the Republicans to win. [19:29] DaemonFC[m] They draw in a bunch of far-left kooks who don't realize that they're a bunch of tools who are being trolled so that Trump might get another term. [19:30] techrights-bot #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148145 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:30] MinceR assuming they'd vote for the "democratic" party otherwise [19:30] techrights-bot #Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148144 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:30] DaemonFC[m] Worse, if they got in and started implementing their platform somehow, it would actually finish this country off faster than if Republicans won every election. [19:30] techrights-bot #Ubuntu Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148143 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:31] DaemonFC[m] They want to increase federal spending giving people free shit when it would mean taxing everyone in the country more than 100% of their income to pay for it. [19:31] DaemonFC[m] Howie is not an economics major....apparently. [19:31] DaemonFC[m] So then what do you do when taxes aren't enough? You resort to currency debasement. [19:32] DaemonFC[m] It's working out well with Venezuela, I hear. 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I was asleep [22:16] schestowitz__ I will paste what I think was missing when there was a split [22:17] schestowitz__ [19:41] https://files.explosm.net/comics/guest5/guest-Joran.jpg ( https://explosm.net/comics/968/ ) [22:17] schestowitz__ [20:57] wait, I cannot access channel info in youtube itself as well %) [22:17] schestowitz__ [21:00] that's less worrysome [22:17] schestowitz__ [21:00] --> notanamber[m] (notanamber@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-gpzwomwjemtojvbq) has joined this channel. [22:17] schestowitz__ [21:00] worrisome [22:17] schestowitz__ [21:31] https://files.explosm.net/comics/guest5/towlierocks.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/974/ ) [22:17] schestowitz__ [21:31] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- Cyanide & Happiness (Explosm.net) [22:17] schestowitz__ [21:32] --> gry (~test@203-129-25-247.cb8119.syd.static.aussiebb.net) has joined this channel. [22:17] schestowitz__ [21:44] https://hugelolcdn.com/i/732142.jpg [22:17] schestowitz__ [21:49] MinceR: 1 3 5 7 8 [22:17] schestowitz__ [21:50] i think that's correct [22:17] schestowitz__ (for the logger anyway) [22:17] schestowitz__ I think that's what was missed from the other side of the split [22:20] schestowitz_log oh, youtube just broke invidious [22:21] XRevan86 it didn't [22:21] schestowitz__ the other side the split missed this: [22:21] XRevan86 it broke itself [22:21] schestowitz__ yeah, I am trying to make sense of it [22:21] schestowitz__ comparing IRC clients [22:21] schestowitz__ you know we are meticulous about logs :-) [22:21] schestowitz__ Re Google [22:22] schestowitz__ yes, they lose patientce [22:22] schestowitz__ they ignore you when you are small [22:22] schestowitz__ then they kill off sites and channels [22:22] schestowitz__ if not by technical means [22:22] schestowitz__ then by sending out lawyers [22:22] XRevan86 schestowitz__: Stop, I was wrong [22:22] XRevan86 If you go to YouTube.com, open a channel, it won't display [22:23] schestowitz__ ah, I see [22:23] schestowitz__ regardless, they do mess around with invidious sites [22:23] schestowitz__ in various ways [22:23] XRevan86 I thought they broke invidious, because it doesn't work, but it actually doesn't work on youtube in general [22:23] schestowitz__ I stopped using invidious for a while [22:24] schestowitz__ freenode is usually quite reliable anyway [22:24] schestowitz__ this is one of those odd cases [22:25] schestowitz__ afaik, what I pasted above and nothing else could be seen from the two sides of the split [22:25] schestowitz__ not that it matters in general, I just want to maintain the 13-year track record [22:29] techrights-bot #FossaPup64 9.5 review #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148147 [22:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FossaPup64 9.5 review | Tux Machines [22:29] techrights-bot #Ubuntu 20.10 review #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148148 [22:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 20.10 review | Tux Machines [22:29] techrights-bot #Android Leftovers #Linux #Google #TuxMachines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148149 [22:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [22:34] techrights-bot "This is my appearance The Tatiana Show, episode 296, with host Tatiana Moroz, in which Jed Grant and I discussed the looming patent threat to bitcoin." #swpats #patents http://www.stephankinsella.com/paf-podcast/kol321-the-pending-patent-problem-with-the-open-crypto-alliance-tatiana-show/ [22:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stephankinsella.com | KOL321 | The Pending Patent Problem with The Open Crypto Alliance The Tatiana Show Ep. 296 [22:35] techrights-bot How about asking ordinary people in India instead of parasites like lawyers (who sponsor this site for propaganda)? https://www.managingip.com/article/b1qqcffl514z68/lawyers-indian-tribunal-closure-hit-or-miss-for-courts [22:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Lawyers: Indian tribunal closure hit-or-miss for courts | Managing Intellectual Property [22:36] techrights-bot #india still grappling with #colonialism when it comes to #patent #law http://techrights.org/2016/04/23/rcep-swpats/ [22:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP) Threatens to Bring Software Patents to India | Techrights [22:37] techrights-bot Laws for and by large and monopolistic pharmaceutical companies that crush generics and access to medicine https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/cases/paris-court-of-appeal-applies-cjeu-case-law-in-three-spc-judgments/ [22:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | Paris Court of Appeal applies CJEU case law in three SPC judgments - JUVE Patent [22:39] techrights-bot "After learning of that failure, Bitmanagement registered its #copyright and then sued for copyright infringement." https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/02/infringement-failure-monitor.html [22:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | US Infringement for Failure to Monitor Seat License Fees | Patently-O [22:42] *techrights-ipfs (~techright@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:c7f2:e919:b6dc:6252) has joined #techrights [22:46] techrights-bot NEWS #Techdirt Yet Another Story Shows How #Facebook Bent Over Backwards To Put In Place Different Rules For Conservatives https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210221/12145046290/yet-another-story-shows-how-facebook-bent-over-backwards-to-put-place-different-rules-conservatives.shtml [22:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Yet Another Story Shows How Facebook Bent Over Backwards To Put In Place Different Rules For Conservatives | Techdirt [22:50] techrights-bot #Brave #webbrowser 1.17.3 review https://www.techradar.com/reviews/brave-web-browser [22:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Brave web browser 1.17.3 review | TechRadar [22:53] techrights-bot NEWS #CommonDreams 'Join This Struggle,' Says Healthcare Activist #AdyBarkan After Santa Barbara Approves #MedicareForAll Resolution https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/02/24/join-struggle-says-healthcare-activist-ady-barkan-after-santa-barbara-approves [22:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'Join This Struggle,' Says Healthcare Activist Ady Barkan After Santa Barbara Approves Medicare for All Resolution | Common Dreams News [22:54] techrights-bot Molly de Blanc: Friends of GNOME Update February 2021 https://blogs.gnome.org/engagement/2021/02/25/friends-of-gnome-update-february-2021/ as a reminder, #gnomefoundation does not protect #freesw but #ibm et al http://techrights.org/2021/02/09/freesw-license-redefined/ [22:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org | Friends of GNOME Update February 2021 Getting to know GNOME [22:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GNOME Foundation and OSI Move on to Extend Phase Against the Free Software Definition (or Against Software Freedom) | Techrights [22:58] techrights-bot #Blender3d 2.92 Released With Geometry Nodes, OpenCL For Intel Iris/Xe http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148137#comment-28415 [22:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Blender 2.92 Adds a Brand-New Workflow for Editing Meshes, New Physics Simulation Methods | Tux Machines [22:58] techrights-bot #Arduino MKR IoT Carrier embeds display, sensors, and I/Os for IoT projects https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/02/25/arduino-mkr-iot-carrier/ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware [22:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Arduino MKR IoT Carrier embeds display, sensors, and I/Os for IoT projects ● Feb 25 [23:02] techrights-bot "event is open and is just US$50" Ripoff. https://linuxfoundation.org/en/press-release/linux-foundation-lf-networking-and-lf-edge-announce-speaker-line-up-for-open-networking-edge-executive-forum-march-10-12/ [23:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxfoundation.org | Linux Foundation, LF Networking, and LF Edge Announce Speaker Line-up for Open Networking & Edge Executive Forum, March 10-12 - Linux Foundation [23:05] techrights-bot FOSS Patents: #Automotive industry falls into political trap, allows #patent reform opponents to portray concerns over injunctions as single-industry issue: #Germany parliament hearing http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/02/automotive-industry-falls-into.html #fosspatents #de [23:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Automotive industry falls into political trap, allows patent reform opponents to portray concerns over injunctions as single-industry issue: German parliament hearing [23:06] techrights-bot #patent maximalists and #swpats boosters leading the agenda at #unifiedpatents sometimes https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/2/25/webinar-materials-5g-ran-economics-and-licensing [23:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | Webinar Materials - 5G RAN Economics and Licensing Unified Patents [23:07] techrights-bot #watchtroll pretends loss of #us leadership has something to do with #patents in "As America Falls Off Global Innovation Map, an IP-Friendly USPTO Pick is More Crucial than Ever" What lousy argument (and falsehood, too) As if #patentTrolls made the US richer [23:08] techrights-bot Mariuz's Blog: #Firebird 3.0 Language Reference (English) Released https://mapopa.blogspot.com/2021/02/firebird-30-language-reference-english.html #mapopa #db #database | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/02/25/#latest [23:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mapopa.blogspot.com | Mariuz's Blog: Firebird 3.0 Language Reference (English) Released [23:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [23:09] techrights-bot "It's no secret that sysadmins have plenty on their plates. Managing, troubleshooting, and updating software or hardware is a tedious task. Additionally, admins must grapple with complex webs of permissions and security." https://thehackernews.com/2021/02/the-top-free-tools-for-sysadmins-in-2021.html [23:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thehackernews.com | The Top Free Tools for Sysadmins in 2021 [23:10] techrights-bot #SLIMBOOK are awesome. And true supporters of #gnu #linux it seems... https://dot.kde.org/2021/02/25/slimbook-becomes-kde-patron [23:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dot.kde.org | Slimbook Becomes a KDE Patron | KDE.news [23:10] techrights-bot New Video by Ramon | Krita https://krita.org/en/item/new-video-by-ramon/ #krita #kde #freesw | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/02/25/#latest [23:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krita.org | New Video by Ramon | Krita [23:12] techrights-bot #SUSE : Public Clown Image Change Information https://www.suse.com/c/public-cloud-image-change-information/ #server #gnu #linux [23:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Public Cloud Image Change Information | SUSE Communities [23:12] techrights-bot #VFIO Gets Batched Page Pinning For An Easy Performance Improvement With Linux 5.12 - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=VFIO-Linux-5.12-PR #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/02/25/#latest [23:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-VFIO Gets Batched Page Pinning For An Easy Performance Improvement With Linux 5.12 - Phoronix [23:13] techrights-bot Intel's Simple Firmware Interface Being Killed Off With Linux 5.12 - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Simple-Firmware-Interface-Drop #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/02/25/#latest [23:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel's Simple Firmware Interface Being Killed Off With Linux 5.12 - Phoronix [23:14] techrights-bot Due to DDOS attacks on our sites almost every day this past month wife and I have had to "do shifts" (who can go to sleep while the other babysits the site and responds to attack patterns) :/ [23:15] techrights-bot Planet #fedora is fast becoming a ghost town. Well done, #ibm ... for ruining what #redhat still managed to maintain and keep going. #gnu #loinux [23:17] techrights-bot Shame on #BetaNews for posting SPAM as 'articles' and #googlebombing "LINUX" to push a product that ONLY comes with #microsoft #windows https://betanews.com/2021/02/25/framework-laptop-linux-repair-upgrade/ not the first time: http://techrights.org/2020/10/18/news-as-spam/ http://techrights.org/2021/02/05/pure-spam-as-news/ [23:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | Framework Laptop is upgradeable, repairable, good for the environment, and Linux-friendly [23:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Different Types of Spammy Articles and Reviews Which Have Killed Professional Journalism (Nowadays Mostly SPAM) | Techrights [23:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A Lot of Linux News is Nowadays Just Spam | Techrights [23:22] DaemonFC[m] Didn't they recently add this? [23:22] techrights-bot #GNOME40 Beta has been Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148126#comment-28416 #gnome #gnu #linux [23:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stunning GNOME 40 Beta is Ready. Download and Test Now! | Tux Machines [23:22] DaemonFC[m] Intel really is getting a lot worse, aren't they? [23:25] techrights-bot #HowTo Update Ubuntu, #LinuxMint , or #ElementaryOS via the Desktop https://www.makeuseof.com/how-to-update-ubuntu-linux-mint-or-elementary-os-via-the-desktop/ #makeuseof | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/02/25/#latest [23:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.makeuseof.com | How to Update Ubuntu, Linux Mint, or Elementary OS via the Desktop [23:26] *NordGeit (~IceChat95@ti0018a400-10805.bb.online.no) has joined #techrights [23:26] *NordGeit has quit (Client Quit) [23:27] *NordGeit (~IceChat95@ti0018a400-10805.bb.online.no) has joined #techrights [23:27] NordGeit ... [23:30] mjg59 DaemonFC[m]: No, the Simple Firmware Interface was added back ~2008 [23:32] *NordGeit has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [23:32] techrights-bot #IBM volunteering day (you help #redhat staff test stuff... without them having to pay out more salaries) https://fedoramagazine.org/contribute-at-the-fedora-audio-kernel-5-11-and-i18n-test-days/ [23:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org | Contribute at the Fedora Audio, Kernel 5.11 and i18n test days - Fedora Magazine [23:32] DaemonFC[m] Well, that's longer than MPX at least. [23:32] DaemonFC[m] Introduced in Skylake, removed from GCC two years later. [23:33] DaemonFC[m] "Here's something that adds up to a 50% drag and can be trivially bypassed. We'll throw it in some powerpoint slides there, and it's gone." [23:33] techrights-bot Videos and slides of #Bootlin presentations at #FOSDEM https://bootlin.com/blog/fosdem-2021-videos/ #bootlin | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/02/25/#latest [23:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Videos and slides of Bootlin presentations at FOSDEM [23:35] techrights-bot "I am constantly using OBS for this channel and over time I've worked out ways to simplify my video production workflow and automate a lot of annoying tasks that I have to do in every video" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM3l9NjNXkc [23:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-OBS Tutorial: Break Down My Video Workflow - YouTube [23:36] techrights-bot "overall one of the best games ever X-D (the internet connection of course needs to be fast and it is best to run dedicated (GNU Linux) server for best performance." https://dwaves.de/2021/02/25/ut2004-players-vs-more-bots-than-players/ [23:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ut2004 players vs (more) bots (than players) | dwaves.de [23:37] techrights-bot Oooh. Can't wait for #surveillance to go under my skin. Smaaaaaart. https://www.iottechtrends.com/valencells-ppg-sensors-in-wearables-hearables/ [23:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iottechtrends.com | The Role of Valencell's PPG Sensors in Wearables and Hearables - IoT Tech Trends [23:39] *Snuupy (~Snuupy@unaffiliated/snuupy) has joined #techrights [23:41] *gry has quit (Changing host) [23:41] *gry (~test@unaffiliated/gryllida) has joined #techrights [23:42] techrights-bot #Trisquel 9.0 review http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148151 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #FreeSW [23:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Trisquel 9.0 review | Tux Machines [23:42] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148150 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [23:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [23:47] techrights-bot Delete The Code https://www.supergoodcode.com/delete-the-code/ "But the bottom line is that, at least for gallium-based drivers, theyre unusable." [23:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.supergoodcode.com | Delete The Code Mike Blumenkrantz Super. Good. Code. [23:48] techrights-bot New changes to #Twitter make it even worse for free software users http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148152 I have been saying this for months. Exactly this. Time for #fsf to #deletegithub (it's a VERY malicious company now, for MANY reasons) [23:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New changes to Twitter make it even worse for free software users | Tux Machines [23:49] techrights-bot Kernel: #Bootlin , Intel, and #VFIO http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148153 #Kernel #Linux #TuxMachines [23:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Bootlin, Intel, and VFIO | Tux Machines [23:49] techrights-bot KDE: #Krita Stuff and #Slimbook Becoming a #KDE Patron http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148154 #GNU #Linux [23:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: Krita Stuff and Slimbook Becoming a KDE Patron | Tux Machines [23:50] techrights-bot #Istio 1.7.8 Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148155 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #freesw [23:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Istio 1.7.8 Released | Tux Machines [23:52] techrights-bot #linuxfoundation : forget #linux .. we're #greenwashing as a service (blog post by 'former' #microsoft employee) https://www.linux.com/featured/here-is-how-to-create-a-clean-resilient-electrical-grid-forbes/ they're also greenwashing dirty Microsoft http://techrights.org/2020/09/02/linux-foundation-greenwashing-and-openwashing-for-microsoft/ [23:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Here Is How To Create A Clean, Resilient Electrical Grid (Forbes) - Linux.com [23:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Works for Microsoft | Techrights [23:53] techrights-bot Notice how they hide #zemlin these days... they know he's a liability for many reasons https://training.linuxfoundation.org/announcements/state-of-finops-2021-report-shows-massive-growth-in-cloud-financial-management/ [23:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-training.linuxfoundation.org | State of FinOps 2021 Report Shows Massive Growth in Cloud Financial Management - Linux Foundation - Training [23:55] techrights-bot Packaging many #proprietarySoftware things at #canonical ... for 'consumption' https://popey.com/blog/2021/02/snapcraft-clinic/ [23:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-popey.com | Snapcraft Clinic - Alan Pope's blog [23:58] techrights-bot #GNOMEFoundation and #LinuxFoundation Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148156 #GNU #Linux #GNOME [23:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME Foundation and Linux Foundation Leftovers | Tux Machines [23:58] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving)