●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Thursday, March 25, 2021 ●● ● Mar 25 [00:00] schestowitz KDE take: v [00:00] schestowitz http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149083#comment-28792 [00:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good News! Richard Stallman is Back at Free Software Foundation | Tux Machines [00:00] schestowitz not strongly worded [00:00] schestowitz KDE Board [00:01] schestowitz XRevan86: should have stayed in Germany like his wife [00:01] schestowitz went right back to the lion's cage [00:01] XRevan86 schestowitz: For his safety? Definitely. [00:01] schestowitz through an airport [00:01] schestowitz he'd get political asylum [00:01] XRevan86 schestowitz: He didn't want to help maintain the status quo. [00:02] XRevan86 by being yet another political refugee [00:03] schestowitz not sure if it was brave or utterly foolish [00:03] schestowitz not he can be even less effective politically [00:03] schestowitz unless it was to make a point [00:03] schestowitz and stir up protests [00:04] XRevan86 schestowitz: It's to take Putin on a pont [00:04] *XRevan86 thinks how to translate that word. [00:04] XFaCE *to a point? [00:05] techrights-bot #mozilla fires engineers (fire-fox!) and hires clueless symbols for Baker and Cult LLC. So this is what the quality of posts was reduced to... https://blog.mozilla.org/firefox/what-is-an-ip-address/ [00:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Mozilla Explains: What is an IP address? | The Firefox Frontier [00:05] XRevan86 to force his hand [00:06] techrights-bot #mozills is not a tech company anymore. This is sad. I want the old Mozilla and #fireofx back... https://blog.mozilla.org/firefox/nandini-jammi-claire-atkin-check-my-ads/ [00:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | How two women are taking on the digital ad industry one brand at a time | The Firefox Frontier [00:07] XRevan86 schestowitz: Notice what Lukashenko did to Tikhanovskaya [00:07] MinceR 25 004818 <+XFaCE> And this is why one uses F-Droid and Fennec F-Droid [00:07] MinceR i actually do use F-Droid [00:07] MinceR even though its update UI is broken [00:09] XRevan86 https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/09/08/that-s-why-she-s-one-of-our-leaders not about Tikhanovskaya but close enough [00:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Resolving timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/09/08/that-s-why-she-s-one-of-our-leaders ) [00:10] XRevan86 Basically, Lukashenko forced people out of the country as a way to remove opposition leaders. [00:10] XRevan86 one of the means [00:11] XRevan86 It's definitely personally safer to take the offer. [00:13] *kupi (uid212005@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ulwctdrxjxxnpyln) has joined #techrights [00:13] XRevan86 And it's respectable that Alexei Navalny didn't, against his personal interests. [00:14] MinceR respectable, but who gains from this sacrifice? [00:15] XRevan86 MinceR: Hopefully all of us, from him stirring the nest. [00:15] MinceR unlikely [00:16] MinceR it is not stirring the nest what's needed, but killing authoritarians [00:16] techrights-bot #Fedora 34 Beta Run Through http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149129#comment-28794 #ibm #redhat [00:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Announcing the release of Fedora Linux 34 Beta | Tux Machines [00:16] XRevan86 MinceR: That's not exactly in his arsenal. [00:17] MinceR if it's not in the arsenal of any of us then we're doomed anyway [00:17] techrights-bot "This is the desktop deep dive of Plasma 5.21 full of my opinions, tweaks, suggestions and brief history with KDE Plasma." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da-rOlS_o58 [00:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-I spent 30 days with Plasma 5.21 - Return of the King? - YouTube [00:17] XRevan86 MinceR: \_()_/ [00:18] *polezaivsani has quit (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 27.1) [00:19] techrights-bot Mob Mentality Threatens The Free Software Movement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uun2YhnUNGc [00:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mob Mentality Threatens The Free Software Movement - YouTube [00:20] techrights-bot Preview of Next #PureOS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149188 #debian #gnu #linux [00:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Preview of Next PureOS | Tux Machines [00:23] techrights-bot Of course #corporateMedia likes to egg on a mob when that mob helps #monopolies that fund that media or owns that media http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149083#comment-28798 [00:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good News! Richard Stallman is Back at Free Software Foundation | Tux Machines [00:24] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [00:25] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [00:26] techrights-bot Linux is back on smartphones http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149175#comment-28799 #gnu #linux #pinephone [00:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PinePhone Beta Edition Linux smartphone is now available for pre-order for $150 and up | Tux Machines [00:27] techrights-bot #Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149189 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [00:33] XRevan86 It's not really news, because it's the same PinePhone, just with a clean back. [00:33] schestowitz oh... [00:34] XRevan86 That's like the tenth time I see news about it. [00:34] MinceR not advertising crap on the back is nice [00:34] MinceR even though it could be done by ordering an extra back as an accessory :> [00:34] XRevan86 And it's the same PinePhone v1.2b, just with a clean back. [00:35] MinceR also, it was out of stock for a while [00:35] XRevan86 MinceR: "crap" what about PinePhone KDE CE? :P [00:36] MinceR KDE went to shit with 4.0 [00:36] XRevan86 MinceR: I wouldn't want KDE 3.5 on a smartphone. [00:36] MinceR i'd rather have KDE 3.5 on a smartphone than KDE 4 or 5 [00:37] XRevan86 MinceR: I see having Android is actually good for your sanity. [00:38] DaemonFC[m] The number of Americans renouncing their US citizenship tripled under Trump. [00:38] XRevan86 Otherwise you'd suffer with some kind of Xfce phone :D [00:38] DaemonFC[m] It was pretty clear that if you had the means to get out and stay out and move to a stable country, that's what you did. [00:38] techrights-bot When #cbs explains #git it actually promotes #microsoft #proprietarySoftware #monopoly that is an ATTACK on Git https://www.techrepublic.com/resource-library/whitepapers/from-start-to-finish-how-to-use-git-on-linux/ [00:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-From start to finish: How to use Git on Linux - TechRepublic [00:38] XRevan86 Or, more realistically, with Sxmo, don't know. [00:38] DaemonFC[m] By the time the Coronavirus got completely out of control, things hit the fan in full force. [00:39] DaemonFC[m] More than 4x as many citizenship resignations in Trump's last year than any year under any other president in my lifetime. [00:40] techrights-bot "A short (personal) digest could read like: Qt 5 => 6 is horrible, the Qt project (and company) doesnt care for their (open source and other) users and the future is doomed for Qt." https://kate-editor.org/post/2021/2021-03-24-kde-qt-cooperation/ [00:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kate-editor.org | KDE & Qt Cooperation : Kate | Get an Edge in Editing [00:40] techrights-bot #KDE e.V. is looking for a documentation writer https://ev.kde.org//2021/03/24/job-documentation/ [00:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ev.kde.org | KDE e.V. is looking for a documentation writer | KDE e.V. [00:40] MinceR XRevan86: at least android doesn't have a malignant tumor for an init daemon [00:42] XRevan86 MinceR: KDE Plasma Mobile runs just fine on postmarketOS (in this case it's not relevant that pmOS has problems). [00:42] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149190 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [00:44] XRevan86 MinceR: I mean it as something that stops you from becoming someone who runs KDE 3.5 on a phone :P [00:45] MinceR i think i have better options [00:46] XRevan86 MinceR: Such as? [00:46] MinceR especially once the keyboard case comes out and i get one [00:46] MinceR because then i can just run any WM or DE or even just use a text console [00:47] XRevan86 MinceR: Would you? [00:49] techrights-bot #GNOME40 Released With Redesigned Activities Overview http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149170#comment-28801 #gnu #linux [00:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME 40 released | Tux Machines [00:50] MinceR it remains to be seen [00:50] techrights-bot #IBM / #RedHat Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149194 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines [00:50] techrights-bot #KaOS 2021.03 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149193 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KaOS 2021.03 | Tux Machines [00:50] techrights-bot #Mozilla Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149192 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla Leftovers | Tux Machines [00:50] techrights-bot Videos: Krita, Plasma, Keith Packard and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149191 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Videos: Krita, Plasma, Keith Packard and More | Tux Machines [00:51] XRevan86 MinceR: A careful answer, O.K. [00:52] *techrights-ipfs has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [00:54] techrights-bot Get better at #programming by learning how things work https://jvns.ca/blog/learn-how-things-work/ [00:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jvns.ca | Get better at programming by learning how things work [00:55] XRevan86 MinceR: Oh, wait, the KDE logo didn't change though :) [00:55] XRevan86 MinceR: So even if ye have sympathies for KDE 3, that logo would work for you [00:56] techrights-bot Bastian Venthur: Perfection is Achieved When There is Nothing Left to Take Away https://venthur.de/2021-03-24-blogging.html #cms changes... [00:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-venthur.de | Perfection is Achieved When There is Nothing Left to Take Away | Bastian Venthur's Blog [00:57] MinceR XRevan86: which is why i nearly settled for that one [00:59] XRevan86 MinceR: Oh, ye did? I guess my post-factum reasoning is the same as what ye've thought of before :) [00:59] techrights-bot KDE/Qt Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149195 #kde #qt [00:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE/Qt Leftovers | Tux Machines [00:59] techrights-bot #GNU #Guix : #Cuirass 1.0 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149196 #freesw [00:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU Guix: Cuirass 1.0 released | Tux Machines ● Mar 25 [01:05] XRevan86 MinceR: You know, the nice thing about using old-fashioned yat'-aware transliteration is that there might be a Slavic language that uses the same spelling: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/piesok#Slovak [01:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | piesok - Wiktionary [01:06] techrights-bot #OpenHardware and Devices: Risc-V, 96Boards/Linaro and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149197 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware and Devices: Risc-V, 96Boards/Linaro and More | Tux Machines [01:07] techrights-bot #Yakuake | Drop-down Terminal Emulator on #openSUSE http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149198 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Yakuake | Drop-down Terminal Emulator on openSUSE | Tux Machines [01:08] techrights-bot By the end of this week nobody will be left to care or to notice some lousy petition on a #microsoft #proprietarySoftware site. Move on, people. "That's the way it is..." 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Pointing out that someone who signed the petition in favor of RMS maintains a program called "LoliGrabber" which, as far as I can tell, doesn't do anything wrong at all, and is hosted on GitHub, and available in the Google Play store. [01:22] *rsheftel has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [01:23] DaemonFC[m] Since Garrett Loves Microsoft, why doesn't he ping GitHub if he can prove it does anything illegal? [01:23] DaemonFC[m] Or Google maybe? [01:36] DaemonFC[m] Chicago contracted out to one of those "healthcare companies" that gives everyone who comes in a weed card and then was shocked when they mishandled the vaccines they were given and gave them to people who didn't even work at Chicago Public Schools. [01:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 15.41 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 39.58 swarm size (avg): 154.00 [01:46] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) ● Mar 25 [02:01] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [02:11] *koo5 has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [02:20] *MinceR gives voice to rsheftel1 GNUmoon2 [02:21] *MinceR gives voice to cybrNaut [02:33] XFaCE MinceR gives voice to the people. [02:36] MinceR :> [02:37] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-240321.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-240321.txt Read the log now... [02:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ FreeNode: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 [02:38] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. 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[02:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 [02:41] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-03-24.txt [02:49] *DarwinElf (d@fsf/member/darwin) has joined #techrights ● Mar 25 [03:01] *techrights-ipfs has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [03:01] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [03:31] *techrights-ipfs (~techright@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:c7f2:e919:b6dc:6252) has joined #techrights ● Mar 25 [04:05] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [04:06] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [04:18] DaemonFC[m] Turns out that swapfiles on Linux are quite dangerous among having other drawbacks. [04:19] DaemonFC[m] It can't hibernate to them. It's not only possible, but it has happened (in a beta release) that the kernel can mean to write to the file and end up corrupting everything on the partition it resides on. [04:19] DaemonFC[m] Of course Garrett points out that his fake security breaks hibernation anyway. [04:20] DaemonFC[m] Which systemd spams into its own journal, that hibernation is broken. [04:20] DaemonFC[m] So that's nice. [04:21] DaemonFC[m] Thanks to people like this, Linux is turning into a legacy OS full of crap that is all sorts of unreliable. [04:21] MinceR afaik that only happened in an rc kernel you weren't supposed to run in the first place :> [04:21] DaemonFC[m] I think that it needs replaced. It's just not obvious what to replace it with. [04:21] MinceR but yeah, microshit is driving Linux into the ground [04:21] MinceR predictably. [04:22] MinceR my candidate is OpenBSD [04:23] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: I suspect that a partition-destroying bug like that could make it into a release kernel. [04:24] DaemonFC[m] And that's seriously made me question whether the swapfile is a good idea or just something they copied over because Windows does it. [04:27] MinceR it could, since Linus isn't allowed to scream the head off whoever fucked it up [04:27] MinceR they must be made to feel good about it [04:28] MinceR "my code made it into a Linux release! sure, it trashes people's data, but it's there, and it's mine, and that's what matters!" [04:31] MinceR as for the swapfile, it's better to use a swap partition, but if you can't, you might still be able to use a swapfile :> [04:31] MinceR though i suppose if you run microshit applications, you might want to have a swapfile that can grow [04:31] MinceR dunno if that's supported too [04:37] *aicra (~aicra@2600:8800:8b8a:a000::852e) has joined #techrights [04:40] *aicra (~aicra@2600:8800:8b8a:a000::852e) has left #techrights ● Mar 25 [05:12] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Support Software Freedom | https://www.fsf.org/) [05:23] *psydroid has moved his older systems to OpenBSD, FreeBSD (the latest version is really fast) and Haiku respectively and has only retained GNU/Linux on the newer systems ... for now [05:25] *auctus (~auctus@unaffiliated/auctus) has left #techrights [05:25] *auctus (~auctus@unaffiliated/auctus) has joined #techrights [05:36] *auctus (~auctus@unaffiliated/auctus) has left #techrights [05:48] *auctus (~auctus@unaffiliated/auctus) has joined #techrights ● Mar 25 [06:00] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [06:08] *schestowitz gives voice to techrights-ipfs [06:09] techrights-bot #Techrights Bulletin for Wednesday, March 24, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [06:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [06:10] techrights-bot #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [06:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [06:10] techrights-bot #KaOS Linux 2021.03 Released with KDE Plasma 5.21, Linux Kernel 5.11, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149201 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [06:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KaOS Linux 2021.03 Released with KDE Plasma 5.21, Linux Kernel 5.11, and More | Tux Machines [06:13] techrights-bot NEWS #W3Techs #www 40% of the web uses #WordPress https://w3techs.com/blog/entry/40_percent_of_the_web_uses_wordpress [06:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-w3techs.com | 40% of the web uses WordPress [06:14] techrights-bot >[Old] #TechRadar #freesw Is open source the future of office software? https://www.techradar.com/nz/news/is-open-source-the-future-of-office-software [06:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Is open source the future of office software? | TechRadar [06:14] techrights-bot NEWS #AnthonyAccomazzo #Programming I finally escaped Node (and you can too) https://acco.io/i-escaped-node [06:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-acco.io | I finally escaped Node (and you can too) [06:17] techrights-bot NEWS #StefanKanthak #Science Donald Knuths "Algorithm D", its implementation in "Hackers Delight", and elsewhere https://skanthak.homepage.t-online.de/division.html [06:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-skanthak.homepage.t-online.de | Donald Knuths Algorithm D, its implementation in Hackers Delight, and elsewhere [06:17] techrights-bot NEWS #CanBlk #Hardware Speculating the entire x86-64 Instruction Set In Seconds with This One Weird Trick https://blog.can.ac/2021/03/22/speculating-x86-64-isa-with-one-weird-trick/ [06:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.can.ac | Speculating the entire x86-64 Instruction Set In Seconds with This One Weird Trick Can.ac [06:21] techrights-bot Another lies about RMS: "Jeffrey Epstein defender back on board at local software group" - he blasters Epstein, unlike Bill Gates, who defended him http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/sjvn-senior-moment/ [06:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | One Year Later Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols Libel Against Richard Stallman Remains Online and Uncorrected at ZDNet | Techrights [06:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 16.41 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 60.41 swarm size (avg): 154.75 [06:54] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights ● Mar 25 [07:04] *DarwinElf (d@fsf/member/darwin) has left #techrights [07:20] techrights-bot NEWS #ComputerWorld Text authentication is even worse than almost anyone thought https://www.computerworld.com/article/3612243/text-authentication-is-even-worse-than-almost-anyone-thought.html [07:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Text authentication is even worse than almost anyone thought | Computerworld [07:21] techrights-bot NEWS #EestiRahvusringhling #Surveillance #Privacy Official: #Estonia will have digital #vaccine certificate ready in April https://news.err.ee/1608153679/official-estonia-will-have-digital-vaccine-certificate-ready-in-april [07:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.err.ee | Official: Estonia will have digital vaccine certificate ready in April | News | ERR [07:21] techrights-bot NEWS #IndiaTimes #Surveillance #Privacy #Google refutes 'zero click' searches claims https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/internet/google-refutes-zero-click-searches-claims/81681686 [07:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | Google Search: Google refutes 'zero click' searches claims, IT News, ET CIO [07:25] techrights-bot You can really see which sites promote #freesw and which ones promote #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware (and back doors if you add their repo) with all the "EDGE" spam. DO NOT TELL US THEY LOVE LINUX. They try to kill it from the inside. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EDGI [07:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EDGI - Techrights [07:26] techrights-bot "Blogging remains a key way to keep up with me. The Twitter account is likely not the most informative and the Identica account randomly disappears into the Bermuda Triangle." http://coyote.works//fiddling-and-customizing.html [07:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-coyote.works | Fiddling and Customizing [07:28] techrights-bot Good. No RMS left in my news feeds. The mob lost momentum. By week's end it's old news. Next week nobody will talk about it. "And that's how it is..." Come on, mob, "SHOUT!" Feeling better now? OK, that's good therapy. [07:29] techrights-bot Another lie about RMS. He blasted Epstein, unlike Bill Gates, who defended him http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149083#comment-28802 [07:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good News! Richard Stallman is Back at Free Software Foundation | Tux Machines [07:39] techrights-bot #QBittorrent 4.3.4 Is Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149182#comment-28803 [07:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | qBittorrent 4.3.4 Drops Support for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, Supports Sub-Sorting in Transfer List | Tux Machines [07:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 16.66 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 99.70 swarm size (avg): 154.92 [07:43] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149202 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [07:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [07:44] techrights-bot NEWS #WBURradio #Energy #Bitcoin Is Terrible For The Planet. Now There Are Better Choices https://www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/2021/03/22/bitcoin-crytocurrency-environment-climate-energy-fred-hewett [07:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wbur.org | Bitcoin Is Terrible For The Planet. Now There Are Better Choices | Cognoscenti [07:45] techrights-bot NEWS #TheVerge #reddit #condenast Major subreddits are going dark to protest Reddit allegedly hiring a controversial UK politician https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/24/22348255/reddit-moderator-blackout-protest-aimee-knight-uk-green-party [07:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Major Reddit communities go dark to protest alleged hiring of controversial UK politician - The Verge [07:46] techrights-bot Gemini, a modern protocol that looks retro https://linuxreviews.org/Gemini,_a_modern_protocol_that_looks_retro "Gemini is not "retro" but it "looks retro"." #geminiProtocol #geminiSpace #internet [07:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxreviews.org | Gemini, a modern protocol that looks retro - LinuxReviews [07:51] techrights-bot New #FileZilla , #Thunderbird, and #ProprietarySoftware in #PCLinuxOS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147392#comment-28805 [07:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Distribution Release: PCLinuxOS 2021.02 | Tux Machines [07:52] techrights-bot #IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/03/25/irc-log-240321/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/25/irc-log-240321/ [07:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 | Techrights [07:59] techrights-bot I am waiting for #EFF to also deplore #billgates for enabling and helping the trafficking of thousands of girls for sex (instead, EFF now gives AWARDS to #microsoft employees). Infiltrated, defunct. ● Mar 25 [08:12] techrights-bot EFF: we are sponsored by #backdoors companies, will bemoan and defame people who object to back doors now (after the EFF's founder died this EFF was on the highway to nowhere, except collecting #imperialism cash) http://techrights.org/2019/01/20/google-internship-eff/ [08:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EFF Must Return That Internship Money to Google or It Would Disgrace the Patent Reform Movement (by Association) | Techrights [08:22] techrights-bot The #distrotube video about #rms coming back to #fsf contains so many factual errors. I gave up listening after two minutes. Could count up to half a dozen factual errors. [08:23] techrights-bot It is not "Conspiracy Theory" that governments habitually infiltrate institutions and NGOs. It's a method. And we have ample evidence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO [08:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | COINTELPRO - Wikipedia [08:24] techrights-bot NEWS #Tor #torproject New Release: Tor Browser 10.0.14 https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor-browser-10014 [08:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor-browser-10014 ) [08:24] techrights-bot NEWS #Tor #torproject Get a TLS certificate for your onion site https://blog.torproject.org/tls-certificate-for-onion-site [08:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.torproject.org | Get a TLS certificate for your onion site | Tor Blog [08:25] *GNUmoon has quit (Quit: Leaving) [08:25] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [08:27] techrights-bot "As part of our series which explores non-profits turning against their goals (sometimes in pursuit of money, even if that means sellout) we take a good look at the EFF in this age of unprecedented consolidation of wealth and power" http://techrights.org/2020/09/29/a-good-look-at-the-eff/ [08:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EFF: Sitting on a Massive Pile of Money and Members Are Less Than a Third of the Revenue | Techrights [08:27] techrights-bot NEWS #ClimateNewsNetwork Small nuclear power plants no use in #climate crisis https://climatenewsnetwork.net/small-nuclear-power-plants-no-use-in-climate-crisis/ we know who's pushing these. Mass polluters. [08:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-climatenewsnetwork.net | Small nuclear power plants no use in climate crisis | Climate News Network [08:31] techrights-bot I see many #microsoft -connected sites pushing the anti-RMS petition. They don't mention the real #MIT scandal is #billgates supporting Epstein. RMS called him "serial rapist". [08:34] techrights-bot #microsoft -sponsored sites and orgs spreading libel about RMS has only reaffirmed the perception or many people's views about who funds this spewing of hateful vile. Pure libel, too. [08:34] techrights-bot The only person whom #MIT should have canceled was #billgates and he should have moreover been arrested. http://techrights.org/2019/12/21/police-report-bill-gates/ [08:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mansion of Pedophilia Part II: Dr. Stallman Defamed in the Media One Day After Request Made for King County Sheriffs Office to Divulge Information About Pedophilia in Home of Bill Gates | Techrights [08:38] techrights-bot Lessons from Atlanta (again) Mass murder is a shooting Mass murder by a Muslim is a terror attack Why don't they make labels for each ethnic or religious group that does this? [08:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 30.40 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 97.76 swarm size (avg): 155.06 [08:41] techrights-bot People who try to cancel RMS just try to cancel: 1) his ideas and 2) anybody who adopt these ideas (on TECHNICAL things). They hope to create a culture of fear and reluctance to express certain views. It's a collective attack on an ideology. Don't let that happen. [08:47] *schestowitz gives voice to auctus GNUmoon inky kingoffrance [08:47] *schestowitz gives voice to kupi ● Mar 25 [09:00] *starfish (~starfish@2409:4060:2e1a:a258:7b74:23ce:cd93:d069) has joined #techrights [09:07] *starfish (~starfish@2409:4060:2e1a:a258:7b74:23ce:cd93:d069) has left #techrights [09:15] techrights-bot #EPO Has Become an Institution of Unbridled Crime, Where Judges Exist Only to Approve the Crimes http://techrights.org/2021/03/25/judges-epo-kangaroo-courts/ #Techrights #europe #corruption gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/25/judges-epo-kangaroo-courts/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/25/#latest [09:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Has Become an Institution of Unbridled Crime, Where Judges Exist Only to Approve the Crimes | Techrights [09:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [09:20] techrights-bot Over the past 18 months the #FSF was unable to do much #freesw advocacy and we know who prefers it that way. [09:23] techrights-bot Next week #techrights will publish a big story about the underhanded tactics of the anti-RMS lobby, threatening people. [09:24] techrights-bot Excuse me, sir, where can I find the GitHub petition to cancel #billgates for enabling trafficking of thousands of underage girls for sex? http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique#2020 [09:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights [09:26] DVulgaris What's up with the smear against RMS? [09:26] techrights-bot I now see more #billgates -funded media dishing yet more libel on RMS. The person who defended Epstein is #billgates whereas RMS called him "serial rapist" several times. [09:27] DVulgaris Is it M$ and redhat again? [09:27] techrights-bot In case people have not noticed, #billgates now pays #youtube for ads and YouTube (Google) in turn deletes videos of his critics [09:28] schestowitz More than them [09:28] schestowitz all the firms and people he criticised [09:28] schestowitz they want to finish him [09:28] schestowitz based on lies [09:31] techrights-bot Employees of racist #ibm are in no position to blast FSF and RMS over anything http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/hypocritical-ibm-red-hat/ [09:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM (Red Hat) Lectured FSF That It Needed More Diversity, But Was It Looking at the Mirror? IBM and Red Hat Are Even Less Diverse. | Techrights [09:32] techrights-bot Earlier this month: The Free Software Foundation Should Re-add Richard Stallman to the Board http://techrights.org/2021/03/04/re-adding-richard-stallman/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/04/re-adding-richard-stallman/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/25/#latest [09:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Free Software Foundation Should Re-add Richard Stallman to the Board | Techrights [09:33] techrights-bot Today I see lies as headlines from #billgates -funded media, falsely claiming RMS supported Epstein was it was in fact GATES who supported him. RMS had called him "serial rapist". http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/sjvn-senior-moment/ [09:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | One Year Later Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols Libel Against Richard Stallman Remains Online and Uncorrected at ZDNet | Techrights [09:35] techrights-bot Video: Removing Our Leaders Because of Diversity is Disingenuous and Hypocritical http://techrights.org/2020/12/18/removing-our-leaders/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/12/18/removing-our-leaders/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/25/#latest [09:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Video: Removing Our Leaders Because of Diversity is Disingenuous and Hypocritical | Techrights [09:36] psydroid to me it looks more like wanting to finish the fsf by finishing rms, making it equally defunct as osi [09:36] techrights-bot Social Justice Hooey Killed the Free Software Movement http://techrights.org/2020/07/24/social-justice/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/07/24/social-justice/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/25/#latest [09:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Social Justice Hooey Killed the Free Software Movement | Techrights [09:37] techrights-bot Large Corporations Arent Going to Save the Real GNU/Linux Community Because Thats Not Their Goal (They Just Want to Dominate Everything) http://techrights.org/2020/11/08/faking-communities/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/11/08/faking-communities/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/25/#latest [09:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Large Corporations Arent Going to Save the Real GNU/Linux Community Because Thats Not Their Goal (They Just Want to Dominate Everything) | Techrights [09:41] techrights-bot SJVN works for #microsoft and #billgates just like #zdnet (even if he's not aware of it, he has become a useful idiot to #monopolies and #billgates who enabled Epstein and helped him) [09:46] techrights-bot #TheVerge now puts in charge of defaming RMS people who are connected to #microsoft and, just as a reminder, #billgates became site editor after bribing The Verge to spike an expose about him (and sack the journalist who worked on it) [09:50] techrights-bot The same people who now try to associate RMS with Epstein (a friend of Bill Gates) also defamed me online by trying to associate me with "Rape" based on NOTHING at all. Nothing! Pure #defamation is their modus operandi, funded by GAFAM. [09:55] GNUmoon Very disappointing seeing people from "foss" projects signing the petition against RMS/FSF based on fabricated "evidence" in https://rms-open-letter.github.io/appendix [09:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rms-open-letter.github.io [09:55] GNUmoon Smart technical people with no critical thinking skills. [09:55] techrights-bot #ChromeOS Game Mode brings #Chromebooks closer to Steam gaming http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149203 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Chrome OS Game Mode brings Chromebooks closer to Steam gaming | Tux Machines [09:56] DVulgaris This is all just nuts [09:56] GNUmoon Pitchforks and torches for geeks. [09:57] schestowitz all base on lies [09:57] schestowitz see the latest BS [09:57] schestowitz they say RMS supported Epstein [09:57] DVulgaris GNUmoon: "smart" people with no critical thinking skills are the norm nowadays sadly [09:57] schestowitz nothing could be further from the truth [09:57] schestowitz the opposite is true [09:57] DVulgaris It's nuts [09:57] schestowitz I am cataloguing all the headlines [09:57] DVulgaris 1984 [09:57] schestowitz in http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149083#comment-28798 [09:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good News! Richard Stallman is Back at Free Software Foundation | Tux Machines [09:58] schestowitz next week I'll go through ALL of them [09:58] DVulgaris War is peace [09:58] schestowitz one by one [09:58] schestowitz and rebut each [09:58] schestowitz and name the agenda of each lie [09:58] schestowitz next week... [09:58] DVulgaris You're doing god's work [09:59] techrights-bot Preliminary board statement on #FSF governance http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149204 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Preliminary board statement on FSF governance | Tux Machines ● Mar 25 [10:00] techrights-bot 'Sorry, mate, where can I sign the "resign, Gates" petition?' http://techrights.org/2020/06/16/gatesgate-interlude/ GitHub: object not found! [10:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Is Not Helping Africa or Africans. It Exploits Them. | Techrights [10:00] GNUmoon Many technical people tend to be socially and culturally ... undeveloped. Hence, thinking about social, political, ethical questions results in somewhat hostile responses. [10:02] techrights-bot How #billgates bribes media that prepares expose pieces about him http://techrights.org/2020/07/16/gates-press-sunset/ 6 parts, links to prior parts here. #bribery #mediaControl #corruption [10:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Gates Press (GatesGate) Part VI: Sunsetting for Now | Techrights [10:03] techrights-bot When #BillGates Pays a University Through His Friend Epstein (Sex Trafficker) to Call Buildings After Himself http://techrights.org/2020/10/12/tribute-to-the-bill/ gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/10/12/tribute-to-the-bill/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/25/#latest [10:03] GNUmoon smart != { wise, compassionate, caring } [10:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | When Bill Gates Pays a University Through His Friend Epstein (Sex Trafficker) to Call Buildings After Himself | Techrights [10:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [10:03] techrights-bot What is Known for a Fact (Not Speculation) About Bill Gates, Jeffrey Epstein, and Rick Allen Jones http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/bill-gates-jeffrey-epstein-and-rick-allen-jones/ gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/08/16/bill-gates-jeffrey-epstein-and-rick-allen-jones/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/25/#latest [10:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | What is Known for a Fact (Not Speculation) About Bill Gates, Jeffrey Epstein, and Rick Allen Jones | Techrights [10:04] techrights-bot Bill Gates Used Proxies to Lie About His Ties to Jeffrey Epstein Until the New York Times Exposed the Strength of Their Relationship http://techrights.org/2020/08/18/bill-gates-lies/ gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/08/18/bill-gates-lies/ [10:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bill Gates Used Proxies to Lie About His Ties to Jeffrey Epstein Until the New York Times Exposed the Strength of Their Relationship | Techrights [10:04] *polezaivsani (~polezaivs@orangeshoelaces.net) has joined #techrights [10:04] techrights-bot #BillGates and His Special Relationship With Jeffrey Epstein Still Stirring Speculations http://techrights.org/2019/08/16/bill-gates-jeffrey-epstein/ #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2019/08/16/bill-gates-jeffrey-epstein/ [10:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bill Gates and His Special Relationship With Jeffrey Epstein Still Stirring Speculations | Techrights [10:08] techrights-bot #BSDNow 395: Tracing ARMs history https://www.bsdnow.tv/395 [10:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bsdnow.tv | BSD Now 395: Tracing ARMs history [10:09] techrights-bot "Larry is getting ready for the release of Ubuntu MATE 21.04. Several of our listeners have ideas for us, suggestions for future episodes, feedback on music players and Linux-compatible computers." https://goinglinux.com/shownotes.html#glp405 [10:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-goinglinux.com | Going Linux Shownotes [10:10] techrights-bot "Some sage developer wisdom is overshadowed by Mike's mad stonk game, while Chris worries Apple's secret M1 tricks charming Linux users." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/144577/functional-sadism-coder-radio-406/ [10:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | Functional Sadism | Coder Radio 406 | Jupiter Broadcasting [10:11] techrights-bot 10 Best Free and Open Source Command-Line #Python Application Development Tools http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149205 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [10:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 10 Best Free and Open Source Command-Line Python Application Development Tools | Tux Machines [10:11] techrights-bot Linux powers the internet, confirms #EU commissioner http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149206 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [10:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux powers the internet, confirms EU commissioner | Tux Machines [10:12] GNUmoon Geeze schestowitz, you are mean, M$ is helping the UN with human rights stuff....https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2020/09/17/microsoft-un-affairs-team-unga/ [10:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.microsoft.com | Our interconnected world requires collective action - Microsoft On the Issues [10:12] GNUmoon Their inbed-ed you know...helping... [10:12] schestowitz haha [10:12] schestowitz I wrote a lot about Microsoft and the UN [10:13] schestowitz also, UN had a security breach months ago [10:13] schestowitz Microsoft's fault [10:13] GNUmoon "strengthen human rights" with proprietary software for themselves and NSA, etc. [10:14] techrights-bot #eu media is intentionally failing to cover the major blunder associated with #kangaroocourts (the #EPO absolutely refuses to deal with the subject), but as more facts come out theres hope that EPO officials will be held accountable; eventually, belatedly http://techrights.org/2021/03/25/judges-epo-kangaroo-courts/ [10:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Has Become an Institution of Unbridled Crime, Where Judges Exist Only to Approve the Crimes | Techrights [10:14] GNUmoon Doesn't MS have a Human's Right person as a part of leadership or something? [10:15] techrights-bot Identify Linux performance bottlenecks using #freesw tools http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149207 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [10:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Identify Linux performance bottlenecks using open source tools | Tux Machines [10:16] GNUmoon arr, found it: https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2020/12/10/human-rights-day-2020-microsoft-global-statement/ [10:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.microsoft.com | Human Rights Day 2020: Microsofts ongoing commitment and responsibility - Microsoft On the Issues [10:17] techrights-bot Notice how sexist and racist #ibm keeps quiet this time around about FSF and RMS. They know the skeletons in their closet. IBM's. They want to accomplish one or two things (or both): silence (e.g. deplatform from FSF) RMS or compel people to stop listening to him because of his message [10:17] GNUmoon Steve Crown - Vice President and Deputy General Counsel, Human Rights, MS [10:19] techrights-bot #Xubuntu 21.04 Testing Week http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149208 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #xfce [10:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Xubuntu 21.04 Testing Week | Tux Machines [10:19] schestowitz GNUmoon: lies as a product [10:20] schestowitz not only Microsoft does this BTW [10:20] schestowitz oil companies, surveillance giants like FB hire our polticians... [10:20] GNUmoon schestowitz: has anyone done an analysis of human rights (charter or other legal docs) and free software from a legal, philosophical or technical aspect? [10:20] schestowitz but they don't like people who point that out [10:20] schestowitz I wait for IBM to open its mouth [10:20] schestowitz and then we can respond by pointing out their hypocrisy [10:20] GNUmoon Indeed, oil is green you know! [10:20] schestowitz as we already published about it before [10:21] schestowitz GNUmoon: those reports cost money [10:21] schestowitz sometimes Red Hat commissions such report [10:21] schestowitz but not on human rights [10:21] schestowitz as they don't think they have such a perceptipon issue [10:21] schestowitz unlike IBM [10:21] schestowitz which liaises with LF now [10:21] schestowitz to portray IBM as "against racism" [10:21] schestowitz they even cancel words [10:22] schestowitz they even sent PR agents to me [10:22] schestowitz to tell me how IBM is against racism [10:22] schestowitz liars [10:22] schestowitz external to IBM [10:22] schestowitz but working for IBM [10:23] GNUmoon Same purpose as "think tanks" to give the corporate media the veneer of independent opinion when getting their views. [10:23] techrights-bot Spoiler (article next week in Techrights): many people do not speak in public in defence of RMS because the employer bans it. Not necessarily because the employer does not agree; it's just afraid of the hateful, defamatory, foaming-at-the-mouth 'cancel mob' [10:24] techrights-bot Audiocasts/Shows: Coder Radio, Going Linux, The Linux Link Tech Show, BSD Now http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149209 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [10:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: Coder Radio, Going Linux, The Linux Link Tech Show, BSD Now | Tux Machines [10:24] schestowitz GNUmoon: yeah [10:25] GNUmoon .... lets talk to a corporate / ruling class founded and funded think tank to tell us what's going on... but not tell the audience this. [10:26] Ariadne in other news, i found a nice GNU make fork which substantially improves its code quality [10:26] techrights-bot Also next week #techrights will go through each anti-RMS article, one by one, and highlight all the defamation (lies, intentional falsehoods) in these. The "cancel mob" is a bunch of people defective in the head; they know they lie, but they don't care. It helps the mob, so go with it! [10:27] techrights-bot The "cancel mob" STILL uses this lie about RMS; says a lot about the integrity of the accusations. http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/the-fake-door-sign/ [10:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fake Door Sign Used to Frame Richard Stallman and Misrepresent Him One Year Ago (the Media Never Corrected This Slanderous Allegation) | Techrights [10:29] techrights-bot NEWS #CounterPunch #Finance The #Debt Whiners: Fools or Liars? https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/03/24/the-debt-whiners-fools-or-liars/ [10:29] GNUmoon Ariadne, nice, do you have a link? [10:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Debt Whiners: Fools or Liars? - CounterPunch.org [10:29] Ariadne https://bashdb.sf.net/remake [10:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Failed connect to bashdb.sf.net:443; Connection refused ( status 0 @ https://bashdb.sf.net/remake ) [10:29] Ariadne er [10:30] Ariadne http://bashdb.sf.net/remake [10:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bashdb.sourceforge.net | Remake - GNU Make with comprehensible tracing and a debugger [10:30] *schestowitz gives voice to liberty_box libertybox [10:31] liberty_box https://bestinau.com.au/ways-to-secure-your-linux-laptop/ - vpn spam [10:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bestinau.com.au | Ultimate Guide To Secure Linux OS Laptop For Free [10:32] *mmu_man (~revol@82-65-227-82.subs.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [10:47] techrights-bot When the #linuxfoundation tells you something like "LINUX RUNS THE WORLD" it means to say GNU runs the world, and it has a kernel called "Linux" beneath it. They hope that by finishing off RMS they can also steal all his work, inc. the credit. Making their new "UNIX". [10:53] techrights-bot NEWS #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux How to add Ethernet to Raspberry Pi Pico https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/how-to-add-ethernet-to-raspberry-pi-pico/ those have issues, still http://techrights.org/2021/03/15/microsoft-spy/ [10:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | How to add Ethernet to Raspberry Pi Pico - Raspberry Pi [10:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | More Than a Month Later Raspberry Pi Foundation is a Microsoft Censor | Techrights ● Mar 25 [11:00] techrights-bot Handheld consoles moving to #linux https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/qualcomm-is-reportedly-working-on-android-powered-nintendo-switch-1783482-2021-03-25 [11:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.indiatoday.in | Qualcomm is reportedly working on Android powered Nintendo Switch - Technology News [11:01] techrights-bot #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149211 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [11:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [11:01] techrights-bot #LinuxMagazine Issue (Behind Paywall) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149210 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [11:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Magazine Issue (Behind Paywall) | Tux Machines [11:03] *kupi has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [11:03] techrights-bot I cannot find a #freesw and #opensource petition against #microsoft crimes (only against RMS, who called Epstein "serial rapist" while #billgates worked to get this rapist OUT OF PRISON). Petition this: http://techrights.org/2021/03/15/microsoft-spy/ [11:08] *zoobab (zoobab@vic.ffii.org) has joined #techrights [11:12] techrights-bot No #GitHub Petition About #BillGates Working to Release #Epstein From Prison http://techrights.org/2021/03/25/missing-github-petition/ #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/25/missing-github-petition/ [11:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | No GitHub Petition About Bill Gates Working to Release Epstein From Prison | Techrights [11:13] *polxy (opticnerve@gateway/vpn/airvpn/opticnerve) has joined #techrights [11:15] techrights-bot People don't become ethical by means of using the word "ethical" or "justice"; check what they do and who they look to destroy (bonus: who they take a SALARY from!) http://techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/ [11:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Professional Troll Matthew Garrett Spreads Libel, Defamation and Slander About the Free Software Community to Entertain Microsoft and Friends | Techrights [11:18] *schestowitz gives voice to polxy [11:18] *schestowitz gives voice to zoobab [11:19] *schestowitz gives voice to LarchOye1 mmu_man [11:25] techrights-bot #patents ruining innovation, but front groups of the #litigation profiteers and #monopoly zealots (funded by robber barons) misframe the issue https://www.managingip.com/article/b1r3mq8nywxyms/electric-car-patents-race-poses-questions-for-litigation [11:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Electric car patents race poses questions for litigation | Managing Intellectual Property [11:26] techrights-bot #juva is now 101% #epo #propaganda (just copying lies from EPO management) https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/people-and-business/latest-news-on-ip-and-coronavirus-in-europe/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Juve [11:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | Latest news on IP and coronavirus in Europe - JUVE Patent [11:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Juve - Techrights [11:28] techrights-bot "Last but not least, calling for the EU to solve the problem of the CII at the EPO is somehow surprising when it comes from a lawyer working in a firm of EP representatives. It is also ignoring that the EPO has many more member states as the EU." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/03/17/technicality-at-epo-after-g-1-19/#comments [11:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Technicality at EPO After G 1/19 - Kluwer Patent Blog [11:30] techrights-bot Totally and entirely missing the point that #patent quality collapsed and people now know they can hoard lots of #fakePatents from corrupt #EPO management (actively working to break the law and fake "production") http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/03/19/number-of-epo-patent-applications-decreased-slightly-last-year/ [11:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Number of EPO patent applications decreased slightly last year - Kluwer Patent Blog [11:32] techrights-bot Scandal regarding Dr. Ernst from #EPO to be exposed in #techrights next month. [11:34] techrights-bot "HEY HI" hogwash from #ukipo and a symptom of dying 'journalism' in the #uk (hacks and operatives who haven't the slightest clue what they're talking about, just PR) https://www.managingip.com/article/b1r3ly9xkhk4sx/first-thoughts-ukipo-makes-bold-call-on-ai-inventorship [11:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | First thoughts: UKIPO makes bold call on AI inventorship | Managing Intellectual Property [11:35] techrights-bot #juve is a propaganda site of the #epo so don't be misled by what it used to be until half a decade ago. I wonder if JUVE is among the sites which the EPO gloats about bribing. [11:36] techrights-bot It's vastly better to quit the profession of #journalism than to defect to the PR industry, i.e. telling lies or lying to people as the "product"... [11:37] techrights-bot #hongkong now reminds me of what #uk does to #assange at the behest of Empire https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20359960 [11:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody@joindiaspora.com: A Hong Kong journalist is on trial for using a public database - https://restofworld.org/2021/hong-kong-journalist-on-trial-for-using-public-database/ [11:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> restofworld.org | A Hong Kong journalist is on trial for using a public database - Rest of World [11:38] techrights-bot "Reminder:the real existential threat to Free Software isn't the make-up of the FSF governance board. It's US multinational corporations funding legal reports encouraging companies to shun Copyleft licensed software" https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@lightweight/105943802479417509 [11:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.nzoss.nz | Dave Lane: "Reminder:the real existential threat to Free Soft" - Mastodon - NZOSS [11:39] techrights-bot #SFC works for #google and #microsoft and not for #freesw (check their IRS filings) http://techrights.org/2020/12/04/sfc-not-about-freedom/ [11:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) is Not About Freedom | Techrights [11:40] techrights-bot Running random things https://chaos.social/@morph/105934123362984544 [11:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-morph: "" - chaos.social [11:40] DVulgaris Yeah, something is truely fishy with all the "statements" on wanting RMS to resign [11:41] DVulgaris It all is more or less the same, cookie-cutter stuff [11:41] techrights-bot #religiona and #homophobia https://www.queermajority.com/essays-all/islamic-homophobia-is-empowered-by-leftist-silence [11:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.queermajority.com | Islamic Homophobia is Empowered by Leftist Silence Queer Majority [11:41] DVulgaris Thank goodness someone is finally talking about islam's homophobia [11:41] schestowitz not mjg59 [11:42] schestowitz he will blame RMS [11:42] schestowitz or me [11:42] schestowitz or anyone [11:42] schestowitz while Google and IBM pay the salary [11:42] schestowitz IBM profited from gassing gays [11:42] schestowitz among others... [11:42] schestowitz but the Red Hat employees focus on RMS now [11:42] DVulgaris So much so, that muslims shot themselves and arabs in israel in the foot because a tahini brand put some pro-gay ads [11:42] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/hypocritical-ibm-red-hat/ [11:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM (Red Hat) Lectured FSF That It Needed More Diversity, But Was It Looking at the Mirror? IBM and Red Hat Are Even Less Diverse. | Techrights [11:43] schestowitz maybe IBM also profited from gassing the grandparents of RMS [11:43] DVulgaris They split the vote and went with the warmonger netanyahu just because of fucking tahini [11:43] schestowitz Crime Minister [11:43] DVulgaris schestowitz: It's all fucked up [11:43] schestowitz it is [11:43] schestowitz Mr. Crime 'Vaccine' Minister [11:43] schestowitz not bombing some more people [11:43] schestowitz to rile up the racists [11:43] DVulgaris He didn't even bring the vaccines [11:44] schestowitz "yaaaaaah ! bomb em! [11:44] DVulgaris Also, kahanists are probably going to be in the next government [11:44] schestowitz 200,000 people did not even take the second shot [11:44] schestowitz quite a "lab" you got there.. [11:44] DVulgaris But, the silver lining is that the leftwing expanded considerably now [11:45] techrights-bot "Pinephone pre-orders have gone live!" https://fosstodon.org/@PINE64/105942806967387898 #gnu #linux #pinephone [11:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Resolving timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://fosstodon.org/@PINE64/105942806967387898 ) [11:45] techrights-bot Michael on Bill https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-24/bill-gates-backed-vicarious-said-in-talks-to-merge-with-d8-spac the profiteers: https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/bill-gates-investments-covid/ [11:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? [11:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | While the Poor Get Sick, Bill Gates Just Gets Richer | The Nation [11:47] techrights-bot "So... Wordpress is now 40% of *all* websites (and probably well north of 60% of all non-static websites). That's 4-6 times more than the next most widely used online platform..." https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@lightweight/105948549556069180 [11:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.nzoss.nz | Dave Lane: "So... Wordpress is now 40% of *all* websites (and" - Mastodon - NZOSS [11:48] techrights-bot "Also, on Twitter, Ive no idea whether/if people see my tweets and why/why not. And if Twitter wants to, they can gaslight me by not showing my tweets or algorithmically reducing their reach. Its a black box. And its theirs. So, yeah, your follower count doesnt mean a thing." https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/105945090955597696 [11:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.ar.al | Aral Balkan: "Also, on Twitter, Ive no idea whether/if people " - Arals Mastodon [11:49] techrights-bot "How long before having root access to your own computer will be deemed a crime?" https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/105938854568296892 [11:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.ar.al | Aral Balkan: "How long before having root access to your own co" - Arals Mastodon [11:51] techrights-bot I would rephrase the poll from Aral: How long before refusing to give remote access (root access, too) to your own computer will be deemed a crime? Remote access by governments directly or by tech partners like #microsoft ... (the #raspi foundation has already done that WITHOUT CONSENT!!) [11:52] techrights-bot "I don't understand why people and now also @fsfe feel the need to condemn the return of #RMS to the #FSF *now*." https://x0f.org/@FreePietje/105945584638432191 FSFE is a fraud: http://techrights.org/2020/09/05/fsf-and-fsfe/ http://techrights.org/2020/09/05/fsf-is-not-fsfe/ http://techrights.org/2020/08/23/osi-fsfe-collusion-and-coordination/ http://techrights.org/2020/08/23/back-stabbing-richard-stallman/ http://tech [11:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-x0f.org | Free Pietje: "I don't understand why people and now also @fsfe@" - unidentified instance [11:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Relationship Between FSF and FSFE | Techrights [11:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Stop Calling the FSFE Free Software Foundation (Theres No Direct Connection) | Techrights [11:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Leak: FSFE and OSI Coordinate Rubbing Off Free Software by Saying Open Source is the Same (Its Not, Same False Argument From 20 Years Earlier) | Techrights [11:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Leak: Richard Stallman (RMS) Was Betrayed by Matthias Kirschners FSFE, Which Closely Connected With People Who Attack Stallman | Techrights [11:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Could not resolve host: techr; Unknown error ( status 0 @ http://techr ) [11:52] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/08/23/back-stabbing-richard-stallman/ http://techrights.org/2020/10/11/osi-and-rms/ [11:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Open Source Initiative Cannot Lecture People on Manners and Tolerance (and Probably Never Could) | Techrights [11:54] techrights-bot Check how many of the orgs that call for removal of RMS (or for FSF to disband) are funded by #google #microsoft or both. Almost all of them!! #monopolies #proprietartySoftware #surveillance [11:55] techrights-bot Funny how nobody talks about the real scandal anymore http://techrights.org/2021/03/25/missing-github-petition/ #billgates #mit #epstein #pedophilia #microsoft [11:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | No GitHub Petition About Bill Gates Working to Release Epstein From Prison | Techrights [11:55] psydroid Sounds more like people with an agenda that is aligned with ours [11:56] techrights-bot Massachusetts Institute of Tall Tales (MIT) Covers Up #BillGates #Bribery of MIT Through a High-Profile Pedophile, Citing No Evidence Other Than Representatives of Gates Himself http://techrights.org/2020/01/10/gates-sponsored-mit/ #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/01/10/gates-sponsored-mit/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/25/#latest [11:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Massachusetts Institute of Tall Tales (MIT) Covers Up Bill Gates Bribery of MIT Through a High-Profile Pedophile, Citing No Evidence Other Than Representatives of Gates Himself | Techrights [11:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [11:57] techrights-bot The Only Person Punished for the Gates-Epstein Connection/Affairs Seems to be Richard Stallman and Now the Libel Resumes http://techrights.org/2019/11/06/sacrificing-rms-for-mit/ #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2019/11/06/sacrificing-rms-for-mit/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/25/#latest [11:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Only Person Punished for the Gates-Epstein Connection/Affairs Seems to be Richard Stallman and Now the Libel Resumes | Techrights [11:57] techrights-bot Proof (Archived Original Letter): #BillGates Lied to the New Yorker, BBC and Others About Connection of MIT Money to Mr. Jeffrey Epstein and Their Close Relationship http://techrights.org/2020/08/11/gates-mit-letter/ #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/08/11/gates-mit-letter/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/25/#latest [11:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Proof (Archived Original Letter): Bill Gates Lied to the New Yorker, BBC and Others About Connection of MIT Money to Mr. Jeffrey Epstein and Their Close Relationship | Techrights [11:58] schestowitz psydroid: bingo [11:58] schestowitz and check who some of them are [11:58] schestowitz not the ones misled by them [11:58] schestowitz they took google bribes [11:58] schestowitz and then hid them [11:58] schestowitz e.g. zini and team [11:58] schestowitz lamb, deblanc [11:58] schestowitz suffice to say, Google is no friend of ours [11:58] schestowitz now Google works to undermine GPL [11:58] schestowitz and it's rapidly getting worse [11:59] schestowitz like http://techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/ [11:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Professional Troll Matthew Garrett Spreads Libel, Defamation and Slander About the Free Software Community to Entertain Microsoft and Friends | Techrights [11:59] techrights-bot Professional Troll Matthew Garrett Spreads Libel, Defamation and Slander About the Free Software Community to Entertain Microsoft and Friends http://techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/ ● Mar 25 [12:01] techrights-bot Professional Troll Matthew Garrett Spreads Libel, Defamation and Slander About the Free Software Community to Entertain Microsoft and Friends http://techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/ [12:02] techrights-bot Many of the same people WHO LEAD and also INITIATE the lynch mobs against RMS (in 2019 and again this year) are people who took bribes from #microsoft and #google and then worked to hide that. You know what they stand to gain (or have gained already)... [12:04] techrights-bot Wow. Mike Bloomberg has turned his site into #spam and #marketing for #litigation giants that front for #monopolies (like his own)... and they moreover spew out lies about the #UPC https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/leading-questions-hogan-lovells-andreas-von-falck [12:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.bloomberglaw.com | NO TITLE [12:07] psydroid schestowitz, exposing political endeavours such as GSoC will be good [12:07] psydroid it always felt like it was too good to be true, as strings are always attached with these companies [12:07] techrights-bot No, #ibm #redhat ... sed is a #gnu programs, not "LINUX COMMAND" https://opensource.com/article/21/3/sed-cheat-sheet see http://techrights.org/2020/01/02/gnu-programs-as-linux-commands/ [12:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to use the Linux sed command | Opensource.com [12:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GNU Programs Arent Linux Commands But GNU Programs | Techrights [12:08] schestowitz psydroid: we have some reports on that [12:09] schestowitz from GSoC mentors [12:09] psydroid IBM is repeatedly trying to get people interested in their cloud platforms by getting them to sign up for "machine learning" webinars (previously in-person meetups), but more recently I haven't even bothered [12:09] schestowitz they are presented as ethics [12:09] schestowitz this way, condemning them is "intolerant" [12:09] schestowitz better ML than "HEY HI" [12:09] schestowitz at least ML means something [12:13] techrights-bot "A ramble about the state of the Linux community and the future of Linux." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iobtELCarvs [12:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Is? - YouTube [12:15] techrights-bot A day later some parts of the #redhat site are still partly broken. opensource dot com was down for a long time too. And #fedora had outages. Has #ibm driven THAT MANY people out? [12:20] techrights-bot #HowTo Choose Between Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and Lubuntu https://www.howtogeek.com/718012/how-to-choose-between-ubuntu-kubuntu-xubuntu-and-lubuntu/ #howtogeek #gnu #linux [12:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.howtogeek.com | How to Choose Between Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and Lubuntu [12:21] techrights-bot If it is based on #chromium then it might already be problematic and helpful to #monopoly or at least to #monoculture https://beebom.com/how-install-ungoogled-chromium/ [12:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to Install Ungoogled Chromium on Windows, macOS and Linux | Beebom [12:23] techrights-bot #Septor 2021.2 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149212 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [12:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Septor_2021.2 | Tux Machines [12:23] techrights-bot #Peek A Simple Animated #Gif Screen Recorder for Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149213 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [12:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Peek A Simple Animated Gif Screen Recorder for Linux | Tux Machines [12:24] techrights-bot #Kooha Screen Recorder with #Wayland Support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149214 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [12:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kooha Screen Recorder with Wayland Support | Tux Machines [12:25] techrights-bot #fedora copying #mozilla https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-womens-day-2020-reflection/ [12:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | Fedora Women's Day 2020 Reflection Fedora Community Blog [12:28] techrights-bot #cafc and #ptab still dealing with #fakepatents or low-quality #patents from #uspto https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/03/a-resilient-petticoat.html [12:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | A Resilient Petticoat | Patently-O [12:30] techrights-bot I am glad to see #watchtroll becoming #marketing spam every third or fourth post. It means that blog (a front for #patenttrolls and monopolies/profiteers) is dying, just trying to 'monetise' what's left of it (same is true for JUVE)... until the death http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Watchtroll [12:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Watchtroll - Techrights [12:32] techrights-bot ;-) Roy's Law: the closer a blog gets to its ultimate death, the more spam/ads/"sponsored" posts it will run. The audience is gone or going away, so why not squeeze some bucks out of it before it goes offline? That's their thinking... and this is the symptom. [12:34] *polezaivsani has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [12:34] techrights-bot #canonical : we use #microsoft https://ubuntu.com//blog/meet-my-co-worker-webbot [12:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Meet my co-worker, webbot | Ubuntu [12:36] techrights-bot #canonical : we don't do tech, we do buzzwords like "HEY HI" https://ubuntu.com//blog/ai-on-premise-benefits-and-a-predictive-modeling-use-case Does this "HEY HI" run on the smart clown? [12:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AI on premise: benefits and a predictive-modeling use case | Ubuntu [12:38] techrights-bot #intel has completely lost its direction http://linuxgizmos.com/intel-to-fab-chips-for-startups-including-risc-v-designs/ see also http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks [12:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Intel to fab chips for startups, including RISC-V designs [12:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intel leaks - Techrights [12:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 17.65 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 76.53 swarm size (avg): 155.12 [12:39] *polezaivsani (~polezaivs@orangeshoelaces.net) has joined #techrights [12:40] techrights-bot "The company will provide Android 11.0 and Ubuntu 18.04 for the module" https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/03/25/firefly-unveils-core-3568j-ai-core-rockchip-rk3568-system-on-module-devkit/ [12:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Firefly unveils Core-3568J AI Core Rockchip RK3568 system-on-module & devkit [12:41] DVulgaris Kek, intlel is drunk on koolaid and woke-ism, they're gonna drive themselves to the ground [12:42] DVulgaris Not that I'm sad [12:44] psydroid actually this is one of the better things they could do [12:44] psydroid realising that x86 is becoming a thing of the past they might focus more on the manufacturing side of things [12:48] techrights-bot NEWS #TruthOut Activists Counter Anti-Asian #Racism Through Community Safety Initiatives https://truthout.org/articles/activists-counter-anti-asian-racism-through-community-safety-initiatives/ #microsoft pours gasoline into the fire: http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/ [12:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Activists Counter Anti-Asian Racism Through Community Safety Initiatives [12:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and Five Eyes Collusion for Back Door Access) | Techrights [12:48] schestowitz DVulgaris: like Mozilla [12:49] schestowitz it's what they do when projects fail [12:49] schestowitz like FIrefox [12:49] schestowitz and Fedora now [12:49] schestowitz they start trying "alt plans" [12:49] schestowitz but that tends to alienate half (of more) of what or who is still behind them [12:49] schestowitz psydroid: they still have competition in feb [12:49] *polxy has quit (Quit: bye) [12:49] schestowitz *fab [12:51] techrights-bot NEWS #Techdirt #Verizon Again Doubles Down On #Yahoo After 6 Years Of Failure https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210323/08410346475/verizon-again-doubles-down-yahoo-after-6-years-failure.shtml #microsoft assassinated Yahoo! http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_Hijack_of_Yahoo [12:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Resolving timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210323/08410346475/verizon-again-doubles-down-yahoo-after-6-years-failure.shtml ) [12:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Hijack of Yahoo - Techrights [12:52] psydroid schestowitz, I know, but I think they are counting on the market expanding [12:53] psydroid so while they were ahead at first and are now behind, they are looking at becoming competitive again in the near future [12:53] psydroid whether they will be successful, I don't know and I don't really care ● Mar 25 [13:01] schestowitz Intel? [13:06] psydroid I'm talking mainly about their fab operations [13:06] techrights-bot #Canonical , Collabora, and #Nextcloud Deliver Work From Home Solution to Raspberry Pi Users http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149215 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical, Collabora, and Nextcloud Deliver Work From Home Solution to Raspberry Pi Users | Tux Machines [13:10] schestowitz psydroid: fabulous! [13:10] psydroid I've read Intel being described somewhere as a world-class chip fabrication company with a mediocre chip design unit attached [13:10] psydroid yeah [13:10] schestowitz where is the manufacturing? [13:13] psydroid mainly in the US, as that's where most of their fabs are [13:13] techrights-bot NEWS #Techdirt Despite A Decade Of Complaints, US Wireless Carriers Continue To Abuse The Word 'Unlimited' https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210322/10241046468/despite-decade-complaints-us-wireless-carriers-continue-to-abuse-word-unlimited.shtml [13:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Despite A Decade Of Complaints, US Wireless Carriers Continue To Abuse The Word 'Unlimited' | Techdirt [13:22] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149216 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [13:26] techrights-bot NEWS #Techdirt If #Trump Ever Actually Creates A Social Network Of His Own, You Can Bet It Will Rely On Section 230 https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210323/07195146472/if-trump-ever-actually-creates-social-network-his-own-you-can-bet-it-will-rely-section-230.shtml [13:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-If Trump Ever Actually Creates A Social Network Of His Own, You Can Bet It Will Rely On Section 230 | Techdirt [13:28] techrights-bot "WiFi is not really designed for kilometer range transmission, but CNLohr previously demonstrated 1km range with ESP8266, and some directional antennas are sold to expand the WiFi range." https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/03/25/long-range-esp32-wi-fi-development-board-kilometer-range/ we can all do meshed networking with this... [13:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Long range ESP32 Wi-Fi development board promises up to 1.2km range (Crowdfunding) [13:33] techrights-bot The site is called #itsfoss but this is #ProprietarySoftware https://itsfoss.com/plausible/ [13:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-itsfoss.com | Plausible: Privacy-Focused Google Analytics Alternative - It's FOSS [13:36] techrights-bot #Vim vs. #Sublime Text Explaining Difference http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149217 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Vim vs. Sublime Text Explaining Difference | Tux Machines [13:39] techrights-bot #Mesa 21.0.1 Released, 20.3.5 Issued To Close Out The Older Series https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Mesa-21.0.1-Released #graphics #linux [13:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mesa 21.0.1 Released, 20.3.5 Issued To Close Out The Older Series - Phoronix [13:41] techrights-bot NVIDIA's Open-Source DALI Reaches Version 1.0 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-DALI-1.0 #nvidia #graphics [13:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NVIDIA's Open-Source DALI Reaches Version 1.0 - Phoronix [13:45] techrights-bot #intel is pushing #drm again https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-VA-API-LibVA-2.11 #linux should shun this: (but Intel keeps doing it) http://techrights.org/2019/04/26/drm-inside-linux/ [13:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel's VA-API Library LibVA 2.11 Released With Support For Protected Content - Phoronix [13:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Research Into Whos Putting DRM Inside Linux | Techrights [13:47] techrights-bot I see that #intel is still outsourcing almost everything to #microsoft and #ProprietarySoftware ... and thus they will never be able to attract good software engineers again http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks [13:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intel leaks - Techrights [13:50] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [13:52] techrights-bot Graphics: Crocus, #NVIDIA , #Intel , and #Mesa http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149218 #GNU #Linux [13:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics: Crocus, NVIDIA, Intel, and Mesa | Tux Machines [13:52] *psy-webchat (459208de@69.146.8.222) has joined #techrights [13:54] techrights-bot " #DevTools implementation has been completed and this is the third and final part of the mini-series. The focus of this part is on the object inspector, but I have also improved or changed other DevTools parts, so first I will briefly mention those." https://tomazvajngerl.blogspot.com/2021/03/built-in-xray-like-uno-object-inspector_24.html [13:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tomazvajngerl.blogspot.com | Tomaz's dev blog: Built-in "Xray" like UNO object inspector Part 3 [13:55] techrights-bot Paul E. Mc Kenney: Parallel Programming: Second Edition https://paulmck.livejournal.com/60291.html [13:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paulmck.livejournal.com | Parallel Programming: Second Edition - Paul E. McKenney's Journal LiveJournal [13:58] techrights-bot Super Resolution Video Enhancing with AMD GPU http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149218#comment-28811 #graphics #linux [13:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Graphics: Crocus, NVIDIA, Intel, and Mesa | Tux Machines ● Mar 25 [14:02] techrights-bot #microsoft propagandist Kurt Mackie is now pushing #gnu #linux users to install #microsoft #malware with back doors (disguised as "security"). Many people lose sight of the fact that it's people who work for/with Microsoft that push this... (because they don't know the names!) [14:02] *rianne__ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [14:03] *psy-webchat has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [14:04] techrights-bot "Open-source projects have many non-technical needs as they grow. But, running a FOSS non-profit organization for supporting these projects is a lot of work, as anyone involved in such an organization will attest." https://lwn.net/Articles/849442/ [14:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Software platforms for open-source projects and foundations [LWN.net] [14:06] techrights-bot Creating an SSH honeypot https://lwn.net/Articles/848291/ #security #bsd #unix #linux [14:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Creating an SSH honeypot [LWN.net] [14:10] schestowitz https://www.indidea.org/gael/blog/e-2021-the-year-everything-is-going-to-change-1-2-introduction/ [14:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.indidea.org | /e/ & 2021: the year everything is going to change (1/2) Introduction - Gal Duval (blog, mandrake, /e/ my data is my data...) [14:12] techrights-bot Kernel/LWN: Brute/GRKERNSEC_BRUTE, #Chroot and #LocklessPatterns http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149220 #kernel #linux [14:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel/LWN: Brute/GRKERNSEC_BRUTE, Chroot and Lockless Patterns | Tux Machines [14:15] techrights-bot Canonical, #Collabora , #Nextcloud deliver work-from-home solution to Raspberry Pi and enterprise ARM users http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149215#comment-28812 [14:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical, Collabora, and Nextcloud Deliver Work From Home Solution to Raspberry Pi Users | Tux Machines [14:16] schestowitz /e/ & 2021: the year everything is going to change (1/2) Introduction http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149221 [14:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | /e/ & 2021: the year everything is going to change (1/2) Introduction | Tux Machines [14:18] techrights-bot #MetroExodus arrives for Linux on April 14 | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/metro-exodus-arrives-for-linux-on-april-14 #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games [14:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Metro Exodus arrives for Linux on April 14 | GamingOnLinux [14:19] techrights-bot "Easily one of the best games to come to Linux in 2020" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/dead-mage-say-no-to-pai-dlc-children-of-morta-to-get-free-upgrades-soon [14:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dead Mage say no to paid DLC, Children of Morta to get free upgrades soon | GamingOnLinux [14:20] techrights-bot " #Subworld just released a major 1.20 upgrade and after quite some time being out of date - the Linux build is once again sorted." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/epic-2d-rpg-chronicon-gets-a-major-upgrade-linux-build-finally-up-to-date [14:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Epic 2D RPG Chronicon gets a major upgrade, Linux build finally up to date | GamingOnLinux [14:22] techrights-bot Beyond a Steel Sky releases on DRM-free store GOG with a Linux build up now | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/03/beyond-a-steel-sky-releases-on-drm-free-store-gog-with-a-linux-build-up-now #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games #Gaming [14:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Beyond a Steel Sky releases on DRM-free store GOG with a Linux build up now | GamingOnLinux [14:28] techrights-bot Powered by #linux https://www.maketecheasier.com/nintendo-switch-knockoff-works-powered-android/ [14:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Nintendo Switch Knockoff in Works, Powered by Android - Make Tech Easier [14:30] techrights-bot #KDEneon 20210325 is out today. https://neon.kde.org/ #kde #gnu #linux [14:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-neon.kde.org | KDE neon [14:32] techrights-bot But can #Mailfence be trusted? I know too little about them... https://blog.thunderbird.net/2021/03/mailfence-encrypted-email-suite-in-thunderbird/ [14:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.thunderbird.net | Mailfence Encrypted Email Suite in Thunderbird | The Thunderbird Blog [14:35] techrights-bot Curiously enough, as is abundantly the case/typical, they don't mention Windows when it comes to ransomware but are happy to insert the word "Linux" in a bad connotation to perpetuate a misleading stigma (you really need to install malicious software on it https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2021/03/25/s3-ep25-drained-accounts-ransomware-attacks-and-linux-badware-podcast/ [14:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nakedsecurity.sophos.com | S3 Ep25: Drained accounts, ransomware attacks and Linux badware [Podcast] Naked Security [14:35] techrights-bot Generic USB Display Driver "GUD" Slated For Linux 5.13 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149223 #Kernel #Linux #TuxMachines [14:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Generic USB Display Driver "GUD" Slated For Linux 5.13 | Tux Machines [14:35] techrights-bot #Games: Metro Exodus, Hair of the Dog, Dead Mage and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149222 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #Gaming [14:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Metro Exodus, Hair of the Dog, Dead Mage and More | Tux Machines [14:37] techrights-bot Blobs and #monopolies in #flathub https://blogs.gnome.org/wjjt/2021/03/25/chromium-on-flathub/ #google now shamelessly shafts #chromium users (and things based on chromium) [14:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org | Chromium on Flathub Will Thompsons GNOME-ish blog [14:44] techrights-bot Linux Core Scheduling Nears The Finish Line To Avoid Flipping Off HT - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Core-Scheduling-Linux-Close #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux #Security [14:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Core Scheduling Nears The Finish Line To Avoid Flipping Off HT - Phoronix [14:45] techrights-bot #IBM / #RedHat / #Fedora : Flatpak, Fedora Womens Day and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149224 [14:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat/Fedora: Flatpak, Fedora Womens Day and More | Tux Machines [14:48] techrights-bot #clownComputing is so misguided and risky. With #drm you never truly control your #games and merely rent them! Now they take away even your data. https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/steam-cloud-saves/ [14:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.addictivetips.com | Steam Cloud Saves: How to Download and Delete Steam Saved Games [14:48] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [14:49] techrights-bot #techrights about to release more internal #epo documents. Another scandal! The media in #europe pretends it's not seeing any of it because corrupt EPO management bribes the media. And boasts about it! In the annual reports!! [14:50] schestowitz Ariadne: https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2021/03/25/340/ [14:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sysdfree.wordpress.com | Roy Marples family and friends sharing dhcpcd | systemd-free linux community [14:50] schestowitz just published [14:51] techrights-bot You don't know his name. But you likely use his software. And he needs your help. https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2021/03/25/340/ [14:51] Ariadne i feel like mushrooms don't cure metastatic cancer [14:52] MinceR death caps do :> [14:53] MinceR (audio:music) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2021/03/20/8c78e56c8a40f214.mp4 [14:53] techrights-bot Introducing: Funds for #freesw https://blog.opencollective.com/funds-for-open-source/ "To achieve our goal, we must remove friction between projects, the communities who support them" #opencollective [14:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.opencollective.com | Introducing: Funds for Open Source. [14:53] MinceR host body dies -> tumors die -> no more cancer [14:55] schestowitz it's not typically infectious though [14:55] schestowitz I always thought of cancer differently [14:55] schestowitz in the category sense [14:55] schestowitz cells divide [14:55] schestowitz and expand [14:56] schestowitz cancer is likely to happen under some conditions a lot more [14:56] schestowitz radiation, some diets, or chemicals [14:56] schestowitz so "cure for cancer" is a weird concept [14:56] schestowitz even animals have cancer [14:56] schestowitz you can reduce the chances of it [14:56] MinceR there's at least one species that is immune to it, iirc [14:56] schestowitz or find better ways to detect/remove it, faster [14:56] schestowitz so it's not a "cure" [14:57] schestowitz MinceR: cancer of Capricorn [14:57] MinceR naked mole rats [14:58] schestowitz I'm friends with one.. ● Mar 25 [15:06] techrights-bot #RaspberryPi CM4 Panel PCs offer IP67 protection, 7-inch display http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149145#comment-28813 #gnu #linux [15:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Win Enterprises and Chipsee Take on Raspberry Pi CM4 | Tux Machines [15:12] techrights-bot The people who pushed to oust RMS, based on a lie, still at it 2 years later http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149083#comment-28814 compare to list in http://techrights.org/2020/06/05/guix-petition/ [15:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good News! Richard Stallman is Back at Free Software Foundation | Tux Machines [15:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Guix Petition Demographic Data, by Figosdev | Techrights [15:12] techrights-bot #Canonical / #Ubuntu : Ubuntu 21.04 Testing Week and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149225 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [15:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical/Ubuntu: Ubuntu 21.04 Testing Week and More | Tux Machines [15:17] techrights-bot SHOCK HORROR: #monopolies try to (re)define opposition to monopolies as a "radical" view and bribe orgs to perpetuate this idea that it's "moderate" to foster and support monopolies. #eff #fsfe #sfc etc. [15:17] techrights-bot #windows refund becoming easier now because #gnu #linux is a solid choice http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148321#comment-28816 [15:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Refund of pre-installed Windows: Lenovo must pay 20,000 euros in damages | Tux Machines [15:20] techrights-bot #av1 is actually a highly problematic #patent trap but companies that push for #swpats don't mind. They can exclude the #freesw community that way... https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=libaom-3.0-Released see http://techrights.org/2021/03/18/swpats-as-weapon-against-the-community/ [15:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AOMedia libaom AV1 3.0 Encoder Released With Better Compression Efficiency - Phoronix [15:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Trolling Community Developers of GNU/Linux Via Patent Trolls Part III: The Technical and Legal Burden as Weapon Against the Community | Techrights [15:22] techrights-bot The word "moderate" is typically being weaponised by the most extremist robber barons to classify/divide their critics into "permissible" ones (like the ones they pay) and those whom they cannot control and must somehow marginalise with "good cop, bad cop" [15:23] techrights-bot "The 427 patent is related to sensors that generate alarms for a vehicle." #ptab #fakePatents #uspto #patentTrolls #InspireLicensing https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/3/25/inspire-licensing-reexamination-request-granted [15:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | Inspire Licensing reexamination request granted Unified Patents [15:25] techrights-bot #ibm #redhat is #openwashing leadership itself now. "Open leader" https://opensource.com/open-organization/21/3/open-spaces-leadership-talent how about the F word? Freedom... [15:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Elevating open leaders by getting out of their way | Opensource.com [15:26] techrights-bot New #AMD Zen 3 Fixes Published For The GCC 11 Compiler - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-Zen-3-Inst-Fixes-GCC11 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/25/#latest [15:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New AMD Zen 3 Fixes Published For The GCC 11 Compiler - Phoronix [15:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [15:30] techrights-bot Just to note: pretty much all the organisations that now work against RMS are largely Google-funded (EFF, SFC, OSI, FSFE etc.) and some also take money from #microsoft ... #justSaying #monopolies [15:31] techrights-bot Interesting how #redhat and #ibm decided not to publicly speak, not directly at least (this time around), against RMS and FSF. Only using their proxies. #GNOME and Debian are also predominantly #Google funded. Google is a trolling giant. It is. http://techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/ [15:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Professional Troll Matthew Garrett Spreads Libel, Defamation and Slander About the Free Software Community to Entertain Microsoft and Friends | Techrights [15:32] techrights-bot #ibm needs to be very, very careful speaking about RMS because IBM has millions of skeletons in its closets, inc. trans and gays. http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/hypocritical-ibm-red-hat/ [15:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM (Red Hat) Lectured FSF That It Needed More Diversity, But Was It Looking at the Mirror? IBM and Red Hat Are Even Less Diverse. | Techrights [15:34] DVulgaris Apparently, even EFF are bending the knee to the mob [15:47] schestowitz Yes [15:47] schestowitz EFF has been bad for year [15:47] schestowitz *years [15:47] schestowitz after their founder died [15:47] schestowitz http://techrights.org/category/eff [15:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EFF | Techrights [15:48] schestowitz chronological [15:52] techrights-bot ...you didn't think tech companies give money to orgs as a form of "charity", did you? They weaponise them as proxies, against their critics. Now RMS.... these orgs then mislead gullible members to make up online lynch mobs [15:53] techrights-bot Founder of EFF died. Then, as usual, the org dies. When orgs fall into the wrong hands and utilise goodwill (see #epo for example) to rob and mislead the public... because they just don't truly care about those orgs. Another example is #mozilla [15:54] techrights-bot Someone should remind corporate lawyer Baker that #mozilla is a tech company... or used to be one. [15:55] MinceR it was, until they got rid of Eich [15:55] techrights-bot The #epo fell into the hands of corrupt politicians and now it's dying. Article about this will be ready shortly. ETA 10 mins. [15:55] schestowitz MinceR: after him beard [15:55] schestowitz beard was at least technical [15:56] schestowitz also there was the cisco guy [15:56] schestowitz I forgot his name [15:56] schestowitz he paid mpeg-la [15:56] schestowitz iirc, 20 million for some lousy mp4 patents [15:56] MinceR great :> [15:56] MinceR did he also get the cisco blob in there? [15:56] schestowitz no, don't think so [15:56] schestowitz but they did add some extensions and blobs [15:57] schestowitz they didn't fight for open web anymore [15:57] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2010/08/28/mozilla-vs-mpegla-trolls/ [15:57] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2012/03/22/mozilla-swpats/ [15:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozilla Avoids MPEG-LAs Latest Poison Pill and Rejects Patents Just Like Samba Does | Techrights [15:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozilla a Victim of the MPEG-LA Cartel | Techrights [15:57] schestowitz That's the guy: http://techrights.org/2010/06/02/calmly-supporting-vp8/ [15:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozillas CEO: Right Now We Think That Its Totally Fine to Ship [VP8/WebM], or We Wouldnt Ship It | Techrights [15:57] schestowitz I wrote this 11 years ago: http://techrights.org/2010/01/27/mozilla-for-theora/ [15:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozilla is Fighting for Us | Techrights [15:57] schestowitz when they pushed theora ● Mar 25 [16:07] techrights-bot #Intel #GNA #Linux Driver Updated For Accelerating Speech Recognition, Noise Reduction http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149227 #kernel [16:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Intel GNA Linux Driver Updated For Accelerating Speech Recognition, Noise Reduction | Tux Machines [16:08] Chaekyung I've been busy with work this week, tried to skim news headlines just now. There's like a ton of organizations asking for Stallmans head on a plate and some vocal support on the other side too. [16:09] Chaekyung schestowitz: have you written like a tldr article of who's signed up for stallmans head and where their funding is coming from schestowitz ? [16:09] Chaekyung it seems a bit odd that it's mostly organizations/corporate-funded on the side of stallmans head on a plate and random normal people on the supporting side [16:10] techrights-bot Can't wait fro racist #ibm (or #redhat site) to say something about #fsf and #rms ... I already have all my citations ready. [16:10] Chaekyung It's almost as if someone sent out an e-mail saying "ask for RMSs head on a plate or no more $$$" [16:10] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has left #techrights [16:11] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [16:11] Chaekyung honestly not very eager to write a story about it, just making a list of the organizations asking for his head and looking into their funding would probably take all weekend [16:12] Chaekyung and I need to study some technical CNC machine drawings [16:13] Chaekyung perhaps I should draw a PC case with RMSs head, smiling, on the side. some machined "free software" label on the sidepanel [16:13] Chaekyung (I like that I can make things like that now) [16:13] techrights-bot Hi! I'm incognito developer. I've just been told a whole bunch of lies by racist companies that try to enlist me into a mob to "Cancel" their critics, who actually speak out against the things they themselves are guilty of. Rage tactics are used a lot by #corporateMedia to divide us and distract us from their owners' crimes. [16:13] schestowitz [16:09] schestowitz: have you written like a tldr article of who's signed up for stallmans head and where their funding is coming from schestowitz ? [16:14] schestowitz this sunday [16:14] schestowitz I make a list of posts [16:14] schestowitz http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149083#comment-28815 [16:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good News! Richard Stallman is Back at Free Software Foundation | Tux Machines [16:15] schestowitz I will do an article of video when that storm of lies is over [16:16] techrights-bot #Privacy and #Mozilla : #Thunderbird / #Mailfence , Tor Browser and TLs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149228 #TuxMachines [16:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Privacy and Mozilla: Thunderbird/Mailfence, Tor Browser and TLs | Tux Machines [16:16] techrights-bot #Devices and #OpenHardware : Raspberry Pi Pico, Firefly and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149229 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Devices and Open Hardware: Raspberry Pi Pico, Firefly and More | Tux Machines [16:16] Chaekyung perhaps I should write an article highlighting https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ and just casually mention who the judases on the other side are [16:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rms-support-letter.github.io | An open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman | An open letter in support of RMS. [16:17] techrights-bot #cancelBillGates http://techrights.org/2020/10/11/bagel-reports-as-images/ [16:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Trafficking Thousands of Underage Women/Girls for Sex is Not (and Was Never Ever) No Worse Than Stealing a Bagel | Techrights [16:17] techrights-bot #cancelMonopolies http://techrights.org/2020/09/30/ibm-and-sexual-abuse-of-women/ [16:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Access Watson Tapes: Rare Richard Nixon Tape on Former IBM President and Son of IBMs Founder Engaging in Sexual Abuse of Women | Techrights [16:17] Chaekyung hmm yeah I think I'll do that, just write a overly positive article about the support RMS has and either not at all or with just one paragraph give the critics attention [16:18] techrights-bot #cancelWatson http://techrights.org/2020/07/26/ibm-watson-plane-incident/ [16:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Meet the IBM Watsons: Sponsors of Richard Nixon and Abusers of Women | Techrights [16:18] schestowitz Chaekyung: I try to stay on topic [16:18] schestowitz I saw what you wrote about gemini [16:18] schestowitz not sure if inspired by my post from yesterday [16:18] schestowitz we need to talk about the FSF [16:18] schestowitz but in relation to what matters [16:18] schestowitz not some mailing list email from 2 years ago [16:19] schestowitz don't mention github petitions [16:19] schestowitz they won't do a think [16:19] schestowitz it's a joke and Microsoft spies on everything there [16:19] schestowitz and profiling people, e.g. "thought aboyut signing" [16:19] schestowitz they can then use that to target people [16:19] schestowitz to egg them on [16:19] schestowitz "BI" [16:19] Chaekyung yeah it's a shame it's on github. but it does show that 1600 people, at minimum, care about RMS [16:19] schestowitz I lacked time today ti write about FSF and start working in one hour [16:20] schestowitz petitions war on a Miceosoft turf [16:20] schestowitz we know whose side Microsoft is on [16:20] schestowitz don't waste time on it [16:20] schestowitz write positive things [16:20] schestowitz about SF [16:20] schestowitz why software freedom matters and what it stands for [16:20] schestowitz not Google etc. [16:20] schestowitz but against them [16:20] schestowitz this is why they want RMS out [16:20] schestowitz they liked a toothless FSF for 18 months [16:21] schestowitz With RMS back his first talk (this past weekend) was about why chromeos and stuff is bad [16:21] schestowitz Android is a bit money maker for GOogle [16:21] schestowitz and "store" or "play" a lot of control [16:21] schestowitz they don't want some "pesky" ol man to blast their shit [16:21] schestowitz so they scatter some bucks at FSF, SFC etc. [16:22] schestowitz and commandeer them [16:22] schestowitz and if you react to that, they call you names [16:22] schestowitz "bigots" etc. [16:22] schestowitz remember.... Google does this... FOR THE LAdiES [16:22] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/11/03/the-harassment-claims-in-full/ [16:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Outreachy as Hush Money (Bribe) From Monopolies | Techrights [16:22] schestowitz Also Google: our managers (male) get blow jobs from ladies [16:23] schestowitz mjg59 doesn't like that part [16:23] schestowitz Another one [16:23] schestowitz Debian: we take $300,000 from Google [16:23] schestowitz and then attack people who talk about it [16:23] schestowitz Also Debian: you can become a Debian Developer (DD) without coding or knowing how to code... just spread the legs for DPL Chris Lamb [16:24] schestowitz (sorry for the crude language, but it's TRUE) [16:24] *schestowitz gives voice to CrystalMath [16:26] DaemonFC[m] Stealing a bagel seems to be what one would do if they were starving, and depriving the owner of a bagel that they probably baked too many of anyway is a minor offense, but the state still punishes it severely. [16:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Resolving timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ http://techrigh ) [16:26] DaemonFC[m] Maybe someday we'll get a court ruling that makes it okay to steal a bagel if the state won't provide you any food. [16:27] DaemonFC[m] mjg59's very progressive California, which has had some of the worst anti-homeless laws in America, had another one struck down recently. [16:27] DaemonFC[m] They were trying to force people who had nowhere else to sleep out of the parks and sidewalks. The Ninth Circuit ruled that the state can't do that unless it gives them somewhere to live. [16:28] DaemonFC[m] A rare bit of sanity from the court system. [16:28] CrystalMath https://nitter.eu/n4of7/status/1375112542595481607 [16:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.eu | Leah Rowe (@n4of7): "https://www.fsf.org/news/preliminary-board-statement-on-fsf-governance What it does: > staff appoints board! many oppose RMS > staff will choose who to support, eg. LP2021 speakers > *most LP2021 speakers signed anti-RMS petition* > speakers include OSI and Gnome Foundation members This is a coup! Hostile take over of FSF." | nitter [16:28] CrystalMath latest news, very bad [16:28] DaemonFC[m] The folks who say we're in a new gilded age aren't far from the truth. [16:28] DaemonFC[m] Complete with prison for stealing bread and prison for not being able to purchase a place to sleep. [16:29] DaemonFC[m] It's the Democrats passing most of it. [16:30] DaemonFC[m] Harsh punishment for taking care of an urgent bodily need sounds cruel, but what do I know? [16:30] techrights-bot #EPO Staff Representation Again Warns About Collapse in #Patent Quality (Due to Bad Management), Suggests Potential Improvements http://techrights.org/2021/03/25/epo-potential-improvements/ #patents #europe [16:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Staff Representation Again Warns About Collapse in Patent Quality (Due to Bad Management), Suggests Potential Improvements | Techrights [16:31] techrights-bot "This is a coup! Hostile take over of FSF." https://nitter.eu/n4of7/status/1375112542595481607 [16:32] techrights-bot "If you have software released under GNU GPLv3 *or later*, relicense it to GPLv3-only. Do it now." https://nitter.eu/n4of7/status/1375112542595481607 [16:33] schestowitz CrystalMath: carry on fighting back [16:33] schestowitz they lost momentum [16:33] schestowitz the media is paid to support one side [16:33] schestowitz and give a false sense/impression [16:33] schestowitz and to try to sway gullible devs [16:34] DaemonFC[m] I always thought that the "Or later" part was a mistake, personally. [16:34] DaemonFC[m] As did many people who opposed RMS and didn't want him to be able to choose their next license. [16:34] CrystalMath schestowitz: the FSF is literally openly attacking the board and looking to lawyers to change the bylaws [16:34] CrystalMath *FSF staff [16:34] Ariadne yeah i have bad news for you [16:35] Ariadne nobody is looking to reject RMS so they can revise a new version of the GPL [16:35] DaemonFC[m] It's pretty clear that anyone who ends up controlling the FSF can relicense that software by encouraging a fork under new terms that you haven't been able to read yet. [16:35] Ariadne sure, but this has nothing to do with GPL [16:35] schestowitz it's about freedom [16:35] schestowitz of speech [16:35] schestowitz of software [16:35] schestowitz 'Clown computing" [16:36] schestowitz nothing to do with women [16:36] schestowitz or ableism [16:36] schestowitz because you see the hypocrisy [16:36] schestowitz sexists accusing RMS [16:36] MinceR exploiting the "# or newer" version clause for the GPL does have something to do with the GPL :> [16:36] DaemonFC[m] If you want to relicense later, having read the new terms, you can always do that then. [16:36] schestowitz and people who bash him for "autism" [16:36] Ariadne i'm a sexist now? [16:36] schestowitz those are just excuses [16:36] schestowitz Ariadne: not you [16:36] schestowitz but those who lead the coup are [16:36] schestowitz esp. the corporations [16:36] schestowitz and the orgs they commandeer [16:36] DaemonFC[m] Besides, the nudge to abandon the GPL seems to be working, in many cases. [16:37] Ariadne yes, I am sure MousePaw Media, Inc is working to hand all GPL code to Microsoft [16:37] schestowitz it's not a new thing [16:37] DaemonFC[m] Where it isn't, they write some replacement component. [16:37] schestowitz we've covered the war on GPL for 15 years [16:37] schestowitz it's still a popular licence regardless [16:37] MinceR the redmond mafia has many fronts [16:37] schestowitz Ariadne: it's not about Microsoft [16:37] schestowitz it's about many firms [16:37] MinceR the armonk mafia might as well [16:37] schestowitz Google and IBM also [16:37] schestowitz Salesforce is another [16:38] schestowitz anyway, this isn't about ethics [16:38] MinceR google and crApple made their antipathy to copyleft known, too [16:38] Ariadne well if the new board rewrites the GPL i will eat a hat [16:38] schestowitz it's about giving more power to companies that bought the orgs [16:38] schestowitz SFC, OSI, even EFF [16:38] schestowitz they don't pay them "charity" [16:38] schestowitz they buy control over them [16:38] schestowitz in the same way Bill Gates buys control over publishers [16:39] schestowitz MinceR: true [16:39] schestowitz it's a general issue [16:39] schestowitz the general public licence names no companies [16:39] schestowitz or "ethics" [16:39] schestowitz it specifies things in generic terms [16:39] schestowitz that harm some ageing business models [16:39] schestowitz because you can always, for instance, make another centos [16:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 17.65 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 76.53 swarm size (avg): 155.12 [16:39] schestowitz IBM must really want another proprietary UNIX [16:39] schestowitz but then we can clone it [16:39] schestowitz LOL :-) [16:40] schestowitz well player, RMS [16:40] schestowitz *plaed [16:40] schestowitz played even [16:40] schestowitz GitHub buy was a failure [16:40] schestowitz they still lose money [16:40] schestowitz and they don't get their way [16:40] MinceR they could create one, if they had software engineers [16:40] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/01/24/fleeing-github/ [16:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: The Year After We Bought GitHub There Was a Significant Decline in Number of New Projects on GitHub | Techrights [16:40] MinceR but of course they don't [16:40] MinceR so they parasitize the community [16:40] schestowitz people, I've read this week, flee to SELF-HOSTED repos [16:40] schestowitz no more "open a free account" [16:41] schestowitz they now know better [16:41] schestowitz so Microsoft is left with another dud like CodePlex [16:41] schestowitz give it a few more years [16:41] schestowitz they swallow NPM [16:41] schestowitz then serve malware through it [16:41] schestowitz people will move away [16:41] schestowitz we have a better message [16:41] schestowitz techrights will highlight all these issues [16:41] DaemonFC[m] Now they want Discord for ten billion dollars, apparently. [16:41] schestowitz the attacks on RMS won't sway the hardcore folks [16:41] schestowitz they will just make them more angry at SFC, OSI etc. [16:42] schestowitz those will render themselves obsolete [16:42] schestowitz like OSI [16:42] schestowitz they will be dumped as soon as they have no influence left, their rich patrons/sponsored will not renew [16:42] schestowitz and then we'll be left with fewer turncoats [16:42] schestowitz which is good [16:42] schestowitz that petition contains many of the predictable names [16:42] schestowitz not all [16:42] schestowitz like Andy [16:43] schestowitz and Karen [16:43] schestowitz all those people who have long worked 'secretly' against RMS [16:43] schestowitz X was never that close to himhttp://techrights.org/2020/09/18/keith-packard-on-rms/ [16:43] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/09/18/keith-packard-on-rms/ [16:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Keith Packard: Richard Stallman Was Right (About the GPL) | Techrights [16:43] schestowitz so it's not shocking to find it there [16:43] schestowitz Debian leadership hides GOogle money [16:43] schestowitz TONS of money [16:43] DaemonFC[m] $10 billion for Discord though. [16:44] DaemonFC[m] The return of IRCX.... LOL [16:44] DaemonFC[m] $10 billion, why not? [16:44] schestowitz enough to move a lot of the Debian CI stuff to Google, outsourcing the project to NSAGoogle [16:44] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: they are irrelevant [16:44] schestowitz linkedin is irrelevant [16:44] schestowitz money down the drain [16:44] schestowitz another write-off, another loss for another year [16:44] schestowitz linkedin has more layoffs [16:44] schestowitz it's even more irrelevant due to theb pandemic [16:45] schestowitz Microsoft just rebrands Skype [16:45] schestowitz and everything gets called "cloid" [16:45] schestowitz to fake growrth [16:45] schestowitz azure is a failure [16:45] schestowitz losses and layoffs [16:45] schestowitz for a factc [16:45] MinceR maybe they won't rebrand it [16:45] schestowitz Discord is of no value [16:45] MinceR as they didn't rebrand shithub [16:46] Ariadne [10:44:04] The return of IRCX.... LOL [16:46] schestowitz so I doubt they will buy Discord, but they might be dumb enough... look how much they paid (in funny money) to linked ^_^ [16:46] Ariadne i wrote an IRCX server last year during lockdown [16:46] MinceR y tho [16:46] Ariadne boredom [16:46] superkuh No value? [16:46] MinceR lol [16:46] Ariadne had some hard core comic chatting to do man [16:46] Ariadne you know how it be [16:46] MinceR lol [16:46] superkuh I used to think that they were relying on selling user data but they've released financial information and it seems they are profitable just selling "features". [16:46] Techrights-sec https://soylentnews.org/~takyon/journal/7354 [16:46] Techrights-sec :( distraction from the Gates-Epstein-MIT scandal proper [16:46] MinceR does comic chat even do anything about IRCX? [16:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Journal of takyon (881) [16:47] MinceR i thought it just used plain PRIVMSGs starting with "# " [16:47] Ariadne MinceR: yeah it uses the side-channel on IRCX servers instead [16:47] MinceR ic [16:48] schestowitz I've read that Twitter dumping Vine cost them a lot [16:48] schestowitz people flocked to that crap called tiktok [16:48] schestowitz discord is used by many gamers, but then again, what's the strategic value buying it? [16:49] schestowitz I never understand why they wrote down so much in 'funny money' for minecraft's company [16:49] schestowitz it didn't age well or work out financially [16:49] schestowitz they keep grabbing totally useless companies [16:49] schestowitz while windows relative market share is in freefall [16:49] MinceR it might have to do with a pathological craving to have users [16:49] schestowitz same for server side, not just laptops/desktops [16:49] Ariadne the reason why people liked vine and tiktok is because those apps come with video editing and effects [16:49] MinceR to have people depend on them, so they have leverage over them [16:49] schestowitz I see.. [16:50] schestowitz Ariadne: I never saw or used it [16:50] MinceR and then they can force those people via dicksword to buy more microshit products [16:50] schestowitz MinceR: but the choices are poor [16:50] Ariadne i wish someone would make a basic FOSS video editing app with the same capabilities [16:50] MinceR like Backdoors and suXbox [16:50] schestowitz btw, raspi seems to be fixing things [16:50] MinceR they always were [16:50] schestowitz they quietly remove trhe repo [16:50] DaemonFC[m] AstraZeneca gets caught with 29 million doses hidden in Italy and then says it's for poor countries under COVAX. [16:50] schestowitz after the backlash [16:50] DaemonFC[m] LOL [16:50] DaemonFC[m] Probably doing what those hospitals and weed doctors in Illinois did. [16:50] schestowitz but they won't publicly acknowledge that [16:50] DaemonFC[m] Slip it to rich people for cash. [16:51] MinceR Ariadne: LIVES, Cinelerra, Kdenlive? [16:51] Ariadne MinceR: those aren't the same [16:51] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: made in India [16:51] schestowitz for cheap [16:51] Ariadne MinceR: tiktok is designed for people not familiar with video production [16:51] schestowitz anyway, vaccines are off-topic here, DaemonFC[m] [16:52] DaemonFC[m] A hospital in Chicago had their CEO resign after it became known publicly that he had been slipping doses to people living in Trump Tower instead of the community that the hospital was in. [16:52] Ariadne creating a video editing tool designed for casual users would be a huge boon for FOSS like GIMP was [16:56] DaemonFC[m] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/hexchat/9nrrbgttm4j2?activetab=pivot:overviewtab [16:56] DaemonFC[m] LOL [16:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Buy HexChat - Microsoft Store [16:57] DaemonFC[m] They can give you a program for free by setting the Free Trial to have all the same features and never expire. [16:57] DaemonFC[m] The purchase doesn't do anything to the program. It's just a donation. But if you do it this way, Microsoft takes 30%. [16:59] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Now Microsoft is doing "Delivery Optimization" of Windows 10 appas through other people's PCs on the internet. [16:59] DaemonFC[m] And yours if you don't turn that "feature" off. ● Mar 25 [17:02] DaemonFC[m] Pushing their bandwidth bills down to your Comcrap allotment. [17:02] DaemonFC[m] How lovely. [17:04] DaemonFC[m] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Plan-9-2021 [17:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Plan 9 Copyright Transferred To Foundation, MIT Licensed Code Released - Phoronix [17:04] DaemonFC[m] Code dump. Plan 9 is "Clown" now. [17:07] MinceR :( [17:08] *koo5 (~koo5@78-80-25-163.customers.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [17:10] DaemonFC[m] Phoronix also reported that Fedora 34 won't have GNOME 40, but Fedora says it will. [17:10] DaemonFC[m] He's pretty sloppy. [17:15] psydroid In fact creating a large botnet by itself, how bizarre [17:16] MinceR not that bizarre [17:16] CrystalMath that sounds like a joke [17:16] MinceR they bought skype which also had a botnet built in [17:16] CrystalMath you know, like some #osdev people say, "this is the year of the desktop" [17:16] CrystalMath plan9 cloud infrastructure, INTERCAL on Interstates... 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[18:05] *Now talking on #techrights [18:05] *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell [18:05] *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 [18:05] -NickServ-You are now identified for schestowitz. [18:05] *swaggboi (~swaggboi@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi) has joined #techrights [18:05] *MinceR gives voice to swaggboi [18:06] *polezaivsani (~polezaivs@orangeshoelaces.net) has joined #techrights [18:06] *inky (~inky@141.136.78.75) has joined #techrights [18:06] *kermit_ has quit (*.net *.split) [18:06] *Chaekyung has quit (*.net *.split) [18:06] *smnthermes has quit (*.net *.split) [18:06] *Chaekyung (chaekyung@2001:2002:51ed:cee0::) has joined #techrights [18:06] *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrights [18:06] XRevan86 Where is my update, Debian!? [18:07] XRevan86 Ubuntu already has it. [18:07] *kermit_ (sid393220@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jcwsbulsonsjabfa) has joined #techrights [18:07] MinceR lol [18:07] MinceR maybe in testing [18:07] *MinceR gives voice to kermit_ [18:07] *MinceR gives voice to huggi_ [18:07] *MinceR gives voice to auctus [18:07] *XRevan86 looks at https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/openssl [18:07] XFaCE <+superkuh> It's not a bot attack. It's just rebooting for openssl updates. [18:08] XFaCE could have used libressl [18:08] *MinceR gives voice to Glyphie44____ [18:08] XFaCE *chuckle* [18:08] XRevan86 XFaCE: It's not affected? [18:08] *MinceR gives voice to kgz [18:08] XFaCE no idea [18:08] schestowitz [18:05] well that's annoying eh MinceR [18:08] schestowitz [18:05] indeed [18:08] schestowitz they warned about it in advance [18:08] MinceR i know [18:08] schestowitz [18:03] netsplit 2 [18:08] *MinceR gives voice to koo5 [18:08] schestowitz [18:04] uh oh [18:08] schestowitz missing from the logger [18:08] XFaCE I didn't get the warning. [18:08] XRevan86 Oh, I see, unattended-upgrades got the upgrade in already :D [18:08] *MinceR gives voice to LarchOye [18:08] XRevan86 never mind [18:09] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [18:09] XFaCE so I'm guess that a pretty big openssl security exploit happened [18:09] *MinceR gives voice to rianne_ [18:10] *MinceR gives voice to schestowitz_log [18:10] *MinceR gives voice to search_social [18:10] *MinceR gives voice to smnthermes [18:10] *GNUmoon has quit (*.net *.split) [18:10] schestowitz I checked on 3 machines, I think the logger has everything preserved now [18:10] DaemonFC[m] Illinois governor calls jumping the vaccine line reprehensible. [18:10] *MinceR gives voice to liberty_box [18:11] *MinceR gives voice to polezaivsani [18:11] *MinceR gives voice to inky [18:11] *MinceR gives voice to Chaekyung [18:11] DaemonFC[m] Maybe, but if the government doesn't secure the line and the priority system falls apart and it's a free for all anyway... [18:11] DaemonFC[m] Whose fault is it really? [18:12] MinceR you'll get a different answer from every politician [18:13] MinceR curiously, the set will always exclude the politician you hear it from [18:14] *TechrightsBot-tr (~TR@techrights.org) has joined #techrights [18:14] *MinceR gives voice to TechrightsBot-tr [18:14] *techrights-bot (~techright@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9e47:addf:5b42:cd6d) has joined #techrights [18:15] MinceR https://assets.amuniversal.com/ec556be0fb5b01382ef9005056a9545d ( https://dilbert.com/strip/2020-11-09 ) [18:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No Performance Reviews - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2020-11-09 | Dilbert by Scott Adams [18:15] *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz [18:15] *MinceR gives voice to techrights-bot [18:15] *superkuh has quit (*.net *.split) [18:15] *habaner0 has quit (*.net *.split) [18:15] *ephemer0l has quit (*.net *.split) [18:15] *Old_Man has quit (*.net *.split) [18:15] *CrystalMath has quit (*.net *.split) [18:15] *mjg59 has quit (*.net *.split) [18:15] *prurigro has quit (*.net *.split) [18:15] *XRevan86 has quit (*.net *.split) [18:16] *phebus has quit (*.net *.split) [18:16] *tessier has quit (*.net *.split) [18:16] *mjg59 (~mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk) has joined #techrights [18:16] *ephemer0l (~ephemer0l@pentoo/user/ephemer0l) has joined #techrights [18:16] *Old_Man (~ld@70147.numbersstation.org) has joined #techrights [18:16] *habaner0 (~user@104.244.77.112) has joined #techrights [18:16] *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz [18:16] *phebus (~phebus@fsf/member/phebus) has joined #techrights [18:16] *MinceR gives voice to ephemer0l phebus [18:17] *techrights-ipfs (~techright@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:c7f2:e919:b6dc:6252) has joined #techrights [18:17] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [18:17] *schestowitz gives voice to techrights-ipfs [18:17] DaemonFC[m] LOL [18:17] DaemonFC[m] Wasn't he a former IBM employee? [18:18] MinceR \_()_/ [18:18] *MinceR gives voice to CrystalMath [18:18] *XRevan86 (7018dab47d@mate/developer/xrevan86) has joined #techrights [18:19] *viera (~viera@2602:fd37:1::84) has joined #techrights [18:19] *MinceR gives voice to XRevan86 [18:20] *superkuh (~superkuh@c-24-118-172-137.hsd1.wi.comcast.net) has joined #techrights [18:21] *MinceR gives voice to superkuh [18:21] *tessier (~treed@98.171.210.130) has joined #techrights [18:21] *tessier has quit (Changing host) [18:21] *tessier (~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco) has joined #techrights [18:21] *MinceR gives voice to tessier [18:23] XRevan86 > leading to a crash and a denial of service attack. [18:23] XRevan86 Well, not the worst fate. [18:24] *superkuh has quit (Changing host) [18:24] *superkuh (~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh) has joined #techrights [18:24] *card.freenode.net gives voice to superkuh [18:24] *ChanServ removes voice from superkuh [18:26] schestowitz has the dust settled? [18:27] *MinceR gives voice to superkuh [18:28] *prurigro (~prurigro@li365-7.members.linode.com) has joined #techrights [18:28] XFaCE +v prurigro [18:29] *MinceR gives voice to prurigro [18:29] prurigro thx [18:29] *DaemonFC[m] has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [18:31] -freenode-connect-Welcome to freenode. To protect the network all new connections will be scanned for vulnerabilities. This will not harm your computer, and vulnerable hosts will be notified. [18:31] *Received a CTCP VERSION from freenode-connect [18:32] XFaCE so close [18:45] MinceR (cat) (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2021/02/19/c610df12c8ba2426.mp4 [18:49] -freenode-connect-Welcome to freenode. To protect the network all new connections will be scanned for vulnerabilities. This will not harm your computer, and vulnerable hosts will be notified. [18:49] *Received a CTCP VERSION from freenode-connect [18:52] *DaemonFC[m] (daemonfcma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-eaexdfmgazkszmge) has joined #techrights [18:54] *MinceR gives voice to DaemonFC[m] [18:56] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [18:57] XFaCE -freenode-connect- Welcome to freenode. To protect the network all new connections will be scanned for vulnerabilities. This will not harm your computer, and vulnerable hosts will be notified. [18:57] XFaCE resistance is futile [18:59] MinceR lower your shields and surrender your ship ● Mar 25 [19:03] *psydroid (psydroidma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jfazulcakrcctxee) has joined #techrights [19:03] *BifrostBot[m] (bifrostmat@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-augzdshvrhbgmuze) has joined #techrights [19:05] *MinceR gives voice to psydroid [19:12] *davisr_ (~davisr@cpe-70-92-166-130.wi.res.rr.com) has joined #techrights [19:14] *davisr has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [19:15] Ariadne [12:09:33] so I'm guess that a pretty big openssl security exploit happened [19:16] Ariadne no, it is pretty boring [19:16] *MinceR gives voice to davisr_ [19:16] XFaCE you know you can message me on element lol [19:16] Ariadne related to curve parameters [19:16] MinceR i thought it was the certificate purpose thing [19:17] Ariadne idk [19:17] XFaCE oh wait, not a dm, I'm silly [19:17] Ariadne there were 2 CVEs [19:17] Ariadne i only looked at the first one [19:18] MinceR https://assets.amuniversal.com/c4ad7860fb5e01382efc005056a9545d ( https://dilbert.com/strip/2020-11-21 ) [19:18] MinceR ic [19:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Smells Like A Trap - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2020-11-21 | Dilbert by Scott Adams [19:20] Ariadne if you all want popcorn material, Debian is having a General Resolution to vote on The Letter(tm). https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2021/03/threads.html#00146 [19:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.debian.org | debian-vote Mar 2021 by thread [19:21] Ariadne the conclusion of the Alpine core team is that it was inappropriate for Alpine to comment on a letter which makes specified demands from another organization [19:21] Ariadne i'm not sure what Fedora is doing yet [19:22] XFaCE Ariadne: imagine if Debian devs stopped acting like politicians and started acting like developers [19:22] MinceR they're not devs [19:22] MinceR they're ibm puppets [19:22] XFaCE well for one thing the mailing list would have less redundant words [19:22] MinceR the entire project is redundant ever since they decided to reproduce fedora with a lot of extra work [19:23] XFaCE Ariadne: Fedora is currently introducing another breakage. [19:23] MinceR 1 person could comfortably respin fedora install media with a deadian logo and name and it would accomplish the exact same thing [19:23] MinceR every other systemd distribution could do the same [19:23] Ariadne a yes, the account system debacle [19:32] MinceR this "open letter" seems pretty useful, actually [19:32] MinceR as a list of people who should never be trusted near any free software project [19:38] psymin Yep [19:45] psydroid but still acting as gatekeepers based on criteria other than technical skills and experience [19:50] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [19:51] *lockeanarchist (~lockeanar@unaffiliated/deathcrawler) has joined #techrights [19:58] *MinceR gives voice to liberty_box ● Mar 25 [20:03] DaemonFC[m] Socially acceptable opinions. Yes, the very progressive mjg59. Certain people can't possibly be held accountable for their actions because of years and years of oppression involving being the primary users of the welfare state and quotas. [20:04] DaemonFC[m] It's not racist at all to suggest that people can't get somewhere on their own and need lots of help and qualifications disregarded. [20:05] DaemonFC[m] When organizations become so stack with people who don't know what they're doing because they were put there to make the organization look progressive (while the Chinese laugh at what goes on here, and so does Putin), the US will be a paradise. [20:05] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [20:16] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [20:20] DaemonFC[m] https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/lake-county-news-sun/ct-lns-waukegan-shooting-st-0326-20210325-d5q7lqw7m5d7finpauajzuhvy4-story.html [20:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.chicagotribune.com | Gurnee man dies after Waukegan shooting - Chicago Tribune [20:20] DaemonFC[m] Drove past this yesterday. [20:20] DaemonFC[m] The cops and the Coroner were out there. They had the gas station I usually use all taped up as a crime scene. [20:28] DaemonFC[m] The EMA review of the Pfizer vaccine suggests that by this Sunday I should be out of the woods as far as the possibility of a severe COVID-19 infection goes. [20:28] DaemonFC[m] Maybe we'll go see a movie or something on Tuesday. [20:31] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [20:31] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [20:32] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/25/politics/georgia-state-house-voting-bill-passage/index.html [20:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Georgia voting bill sent immediately to state Senate after House vote - CNNPolitics [20:32] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [20:33] DaemonFC[m] So let me get this straight. It requires you to know your SSN, DLN, or state ID number and write it on your ballot, therefore racism. [20:33] schestowitz >> Why did the FSF give an award to him? And Deb (OSI)? And Kuhn? [20:33] schestowitz > If I had to guess, I'd cynically say it was to pester and defy RMS. [20:33] schestowitz > It's the only explanation that even begins to make sense to me. [20:33] DaemonFC[m] Holy shit this is stupid. Thanks CNN. [20:33] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I think they are worse than BillBC. [20:34] DaemonFC[m] BillBC doesn't have an entire section where they disguise pitches for shitty products on Amazon as news, AFAIK. [20:35] DaemonFC[m] Of course, BBC is also a slang term for big black cock. Although in the context of Bill, his probably is big when he whips it out in front of a 12 year old. [20:35] schestowitz Re: Actions against Stallman [20:35] schestowitz > New actions against Stallman by deblanc and other usual suspects: [20:35] schestowitz > [20:35] schestowitz > https://rms-open-letter.github.io/ [20:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-An open letter to remove Richard M. Stallman from all leadership positions | rms-open-letter.github.io [20:35] schestowitz > [20:35] schestowitz > (very fitting that it's hosted on MS Github) [20:35] DaemonFC[m] I wonder if he has a new "finder" yet now that Epstein is deader than a Texas salad bar. [20:35] schestowitz > [20:35] schestowitz > It seems the attempt to relate him to Epstein failed, so now the [20:35] schestowitz > accusations are generic: "mysoginist, ableist and transphobic". [20:35] schestowitz > Justification or evidence for this isn't even attempted. [20:35] schestowitz > [20:35] schestowitz > A new development too is that they now call for the *whole* board of [20:35] schestowitz > directors to resign, and to people and companies to stop contributing to [20:35] schestowitz > GNU and any other FSF related project. [20:35] schestowitz > [20:35] schestowitz > Deblanc seemingly has the support of the FSF staff: [20:35] schestowitz > https://nitter.dark.fail/mmillions/status/1374071228747689989 [20:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.dark.fail | M dB (@mmillions): "P.S. SO MUCH LOVE to the @fsf staff! You all deserve nice things." | nitter [20:35] schestowitz > [20:35] schestowitz > The FSF board of directors should seriously consider firing a staff that [20:35] schestowitz > constantly conspires against their employers. [20:35] schestowitz > [20:35] schestowitz > Mozilla supports the letter as well (not surprised at all): [20:35] schestowitz > https://nitter.dark.fail/mozilla/status/1374513444838199304 [20:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.dark.fail | Mozilla (@mozilla): "We can't demand better of the internet if we don't demand better of our leaders, colleagues and ourselves. We're with the Open Source Diversity Community, Outreachy & the Software Conservancy project in supporting this petition: https://rms-open-letter.github.io/" | nitter [20:35] schestowitz > [20:35] schestowitz > [20:35] schestowitz > You have a lot of readers, maybe you could suggest sparing a few bucks [20:35] schestowitz > (if one is able to) as a donation to the FSF and state as a reason [20:35] schestowitz > "Return of RMS", as is being suggested by some free software supporters. [20:35] *swaggboi has quit (Quit: C-x C-c) [20:35] schestowitz > It's crucial to make visible that most free software supporters support [20:36] schestowitz > Stallman too and don't fall for this lies, the Twitter crowd is just a [20:36] schestowitz > loud and obnoxious minority. Influential, but a minority. [20:36] schestowitz > [20:36] schestowitz > Thanks for your good job, Techrights! [20:36] *swaggboi (~swaggboi@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi) has joined #techrights [20:37] DaemonFC[m] I haven't really read up too much on the Epstein stuff, but I wonder if anyone investigated the parents. [20:37] MinceR lol @ mozilla demanding better of the internet [20:37] DaemonFC[m] Like, "Oh I just casually brought my 13 year old over and left them alone unsupervised." x like 50 of them. [20:38] MinceR is that forcing users to run poetteringaudio is now? [20:38] MinceR fuck mozilla [20:38] MinceR s/that/that what/ [20:39] DaemonFC[m] "mysoginist" [20:39] DaemonFC[m] Mozilla. Hires college graduates that misspell misogynist. [20:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 17.65 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 76.53 swarm size (avg): 155.12 [20:39] psydroid the worrying thing to me is that I have recently been thinking that the plan was all along to embrace, extend and ultimately extinguish the original GNU projects and only keep the extended versions without making it too obvious [20:40] psydroid a strategy executed over a period of decades [20:41] DaemonFC[m] Mozilla doesn't have any relationship with FSF and never has. FSF had to fork Mozilla and do a substantial amount of stripping to get rid of binaries and recommendations for non-Free software over the years. AFAIK, Mozilla has never contributed to the FSF as far as money goes. Mozilla showed their true face many times, including foisting Google's DRM blob on people. [20:41] DaemonFC[m] Now they want to wag the finger at the FSF. [20:41] MinceR they also foisted cisco's h.264 blob on people [20:42] DaemonFC[m] Mozilla, in fact, also got rid of their GCC builds and replaced them with Clang, and then to dodge criticism, they compared the performance of a really old GCC series to the then-current Clang builds. [20:43] psydroid I'm talking about the likes of Red Hat, SUSE, IBM etc. [20:43] DaemonFC[m] Which lacks hardware acceleration (or sound) and tries to play HTML 5 videos in that format in a very broken way instead of loading codecs from the OS that can handle it fine. (Linux is a P1 platform, you know.) :) [20:44] DaemonFC[m] h.264 works fine and the patent pool will expire soon. [20:44] DaemonFC[m] Can't have that. [20:44] DaemonFC[m] It's MP3 all over again at that point. [20:45] DaemonFC[m] The MPEG-LA knows it's going to struggle to get anyone to adopt h.266 (VVC) now. [20:45] DaemonFC[m] But they continue to develop it anyway because threats of a lawsuit may yet work. [20:45] psymin glad to hear h264 will expire soon [20:46] DaemonFC[m] As far as I can tell, the last of the major patents on its profiles were granted in 2004. [20:46] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [20:46] DaemonFC[m] Which would put the functional expiration sometime about 3 years from now. [20:46] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [20:46] DaemonFC[m] There are other patents that kept being issued through 2007 I believe, but they're not necessary for a conforming implementation. [20:48] Ariadne [14:39:55] the worrying thing to me is that I have recently been thinking that the plan was all along to embrace, extend and ultimately extinguish the original GNU projects and only keep the extended versions without making it too obvious [20:48] Ariadne perhaps the original GNU projects could be properly maintained [20:48] Ariadne most GNU projects are piled with cruft dating back to the 80s that has never been removed despite POSIX being mostly sane these days [20:53] DaemonFC[m] Mozilla is trying to fork them into Rust now. [20:53] DaemonFC[m] It seems they really are just an extension of Google that touches the really nasty stuff that Google doesn't even want to be accused of. [20:54] psymin I thought mozilla was moving away from rust? [20:56] *psydroid thought Mozilla was moving away from this world [20:56] MinceR they're still useful to google, microshit and possibly ibm as a proxy [20:56] Ariadne DaemonFC[m]: sounds like a crossgrade [20:56] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [20:58] schestowitz RMS: [20:58] schestowitz > > =46rom what I have seen, there are 2 types of people in the anti-RMS camp= [20:58] schestowitz > > : [20:58] schestowitz > [20:58] schestowitz > > 1. workers of proprietary software monopolies [20:58] schestowitz > > 2. people misled by the group (1) [20:58] schestowitz > [20:58] schestowitz > I think you're oversimplifying it. [20:58] schestowitz > That isn't going to help people understand. [20:58] schestowitz > People do have other sorts of disagreements with me, [20:58] schestowitz > and some of them are sincere. [20:58] Ariadne yes [20:58] Ariadne i do [20:58] schestowitz yeah [20:58] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [20:59] Ariadne i have numerous disagreements with RMS, for example killing dotGNU and giving de Icaza the ability to shove Mono everywhere ● Mar 25 [21:00] MinceR i have some disagreements with him as well [21:00] MinceR but none of them are a reason to cancel him, or to cancel the FSF [21:00] schestowitz this [21:00] *psymin nods. [21:00] Ariadne i'm not sure [21:01] Ariadne there is substantive rot at FSF [21:02] XFaCE There's a substantive rot all over open source [21:02] Ariadne yes, there is [21:02] XFaCE and that rot is being plugged with corporate interest [21:02] XFaCE and bureaucratic thinking. [21:02] Ariadne precisely [21:03] Ariadne i want to see the cathedral shatter [21:03] Ariadne so we can rework the movement in a more cellular structure [21:04] Ariadne problem is humans become complacent [21:05] XFaCE That won't happen until the useful idiots who think they're shattering the cathedral but actually enabling the corporations.... stop doing that. [21:05] Ariadne nah it happening already [21:05] XFaCE The proof will be in the pudding. [21:05] psymin there is rot everywhere, I wish FOSS was immune [21:06] XFaCE I am very cynical of that "happening" being at all effective [21:07] Ariadne thing is [21:07] Ariadne you want to keep the movement going, keep it alive [21:07] Ariadne you need small groups doing cool shit [21:07] Ariadne FSF has become the thing it was supposed to disrupt [21:08] Ariadne free software is about anti-authoritarianism [21:08] XFaCE FSF has its flaws, but isn't the corporate sellout that virtually every other OSS org is [21:08] XFaCE with the exception of maybe the OpenBSD Foundation. [21:08] Ariadne but now FSF is sole authority [21:08] Ariadne because of GNU [21:08] XFaCE That is not an ideal state of affairs yes. [21:09] XFaCE One could conclude that state was intentionally pushed by corporates. [21:09] Ariadne that state is the result of the Linux boom in the early 2000s [21:10] XFaCE I would agree it's been a slow burn towards that state since that time [21:10] XFaCE certainly didn't happen overnight [21:10] Ariadne vendors were like, oh we'll make GNU this or GNU that and worry about it later [21:11] *balrog has quit (Quit: Bye) [21:11] Ariadne and now we have technical debt stacked to the ceiling [21:11] Ariadne we have social debt because FSF was given way too much power [21:12] Ariadne and that's what this is really about [21:12] XFaCE OpenBSD was doing a good job implementing alternatives to the userspace tools [21:12] Ariadne the people writing the code want the power back [21:12] XFaCE still is [21:13] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [21:13] Ariadne if people were absolutely thrilled about RMS, that letter would not have 2000+ signatures and counting [21:14] psydroid FSF and GNU were convenient centralised points of attack, so we should plug that hole as Ariadne suggests and never allow it to happen again [21:14] Ariadne ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [21:14] Ariadne that's the point [21:14] Ariadne why should ANYONE, *anyone* be able to be a liability to the whole movement [21:14] XFaCE You mean like Red Hat? [21:14] Ariadne i mean *anyone* [21:15] *balrog (~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog) has joined #techrights [21:15] psymin Individuals are easier to attack and harm than groups. Allinsky stuff [21:15] Ariadne me, schestowitz, RMS, ESR, red hat, IBM, SUSE, whatever [21:15] Ariadne psymin: exactly [21:15] schestowitz hence the importance of responding [21:15] XFaCE Right, but the point is that going after the FSF won't solve the issue... the corps will just divide and conquer [21:15] *psymin nods. [21:15] Ariadne schestowitz: wrong! [21:15] schestowitz Red Hat has just made a statement [21:15] schestowitz pretending they were paying FSF [21:15] psymin I'm glad that there is a sense of folks finally standing up and speaking out. [21:16] schestowitz they've not done that for a long time [21:16] Ariadne the importance is not in responding, the importance is in building a structure that disaggregates power [21:16] schestowitz anyway, bbib [21:16] schestowitz I am catching up with email after 2 days [21:16] XFaCE Ariadne: that's not going to happen [21:16] *MinceR gives voice to liberty_box GNUmoon balrog [21:16] schestowitz most of what I read s good thing [21:17] XFaCE these petition signers are fine with the corporate status code [21:17] Ariadne it is going to happen [21:17] schestowitz RMS stays [21:17] XFaCE *quo [21:17] Ariadne it has nothing to do with the petition [21:17] schestowitz mostly people who never supported RMS to begin with [21:17] XFaCE Hope is not a strategy... which seems to be the only thing basing your outlook imo. [21:17] schestowitz or the FSF in general [21:17] Ariadne as i said earlier, both are performative bullshit, and everyone there is making a calculated political decision [21:17] schestowitz bbiab [21:18] Ariadne the real points to look at: GNU radio and Sourceware (GCC and glibc) [21:18] Ariadne both have formed their own collectives [21:18] Ariadne and once that gets out, it's end game for all of this anyway [21:19] Ariadne GNU will be reborn as a series of small federated groups [21:19] Ariadne as it should have been from start [21:19] Ariadne and when that happens, the media will stop giving a shit about RMS [21:19] Ariadne and we will ALL be better for it [21:19] XFaCE Fair enough, but that will require a rethink in funding [21:20] XFaCE because otherwise small independent groups are going to be drown out by corp agendas [21:20] Ariadne its not gonna be perfect for a long time [21:20] XFaCE Those corps aren't going to be broken up and federated [21:20] XFaCE The problem is the damage in that time [21:20] Ariadne corporate sponsorship of FOSS is obviously a huge problem [21:20] XFaCE Remember how long it took to repair the damage of the IE-centric web [21:20] MinceR we need fully independent IT (including independent hardware manufacturing) and then we can boycott them all [21:20] Ariadne but FSF ain't solving it [21:21] MinceR it never was repaired, it's just blink-centric now [21:21] MinceR with idiot edgesploiter being based on blink [21:22] Ariadne i mean, yes, RMS is obviously one of the main pioneers of the movement (though wheels were already in motion with BSD by the time GNU was started) [21:23] Ariadne but if we hero worship RMS we take him as liability. movement cannot be about specific individuals [21:23] Ariadne must be about code [21:23] XFaCE I think you confuse respect with hero worship, and standing up to mob tactics with hero worship [21:24] Ariadne i don't [21:24] Ariadne it's hero worship [21:24] XFaCE No, the tactic is wrong [21:24] Ariadne and that makes you vulnerable to the mob [21:24] XFaCE No, what makes you vulnerable to the mob is going with the mob, because you compromise your principles for convenience [21:24] Ariadne it is possible to respect RMS's influence on the movement without putting him in a position of direct power [21:25] XFaCE The mob adopts surveillance technology, ignores Snowden's warnings [21:25] XFaCE For example. [21:25] XFaCE The petition strategy shouldn't be used against anyone, ever. [21:25] *Ariadne shrugs [21:25] XFaCE It's a wrong tactic. [21:26] Ariadne its performative bullshit [21:26] Ariadne we are wasting time talking about performative bullshit [21:26] XFaCE Yeah, and we have seen such stuff become effective in ruining lives. [21:26] XFaCE It's easy to say that when you're not the target. [21:27] XFaCE When your income isn't threatened. [21:27] psymin Is there something we can do? Is there a path forward? Can we imagine a future that isn't awful? [21:27] XFaCE Really... I can't. [21:27] XFaCE So long as narcissists are effective in manipulating good intentions, things won't improve. [21:27] psymin Correct. So maybe we can create some type of ecosystem that is cancel-resistant. So income is less threatened. A safety net for the brave. [21:28] Ariadne i believe i just described such an ecosystem [21:28] XFaCE Ironically Brave web browser is sorta doing that lol. [21:28] *psymin scrolls up. [21:28] Ariadne to build such an ecosystem you have to reject individualism [21:28] Ariadne then you get collective protection [21:29] psymin I don't currently believe that. I'm struggling to see how that is the path. [21:29] XFaCE Ariadne: that is ridiculous [21:29] Ariadne it really isn't [21:30] XFaCE individualism is what promotes modularity [21:30] Ariadne i can point to many examples in history [21:30] Ariadne XFaCE: yes, but in a series of cells, you have numerous people willing to take the hit [21:30] XFaCE I don't see how that's contradictory to individualism and volunteerism [21:31] XFaCE But I'm not giving up individuality to commit to group identity [21:31] XFaCE speaking for me personally [21:31] XFaCE not going to happen [21:31] Ariadne no, obviously not [21:31] Ariadne but you would be willing to trade power [21:31] Ariadne so, what i mean here is that we must reject individualist power structures [21:32] XFaCE Yeah, what happens when you try to change natural human behaviour... doesn't work out too well [21:33] Ariadne you asked how we get to something cancel-resistant [21:33] Ariadne you can't be cancel-resistant by holding all the power [21:33] XFaCE Right, but your approach will do nothing to confront corporate efforts, whatsoever [21:33] Ariadne no, it won't [21:34] Ariadne different societal problems have to be solved at different layers in the stack [21:34] XFaCE Yes, but there's no reason to "sacrifice individualist power structures" [21:34] Ariadne sure there is [21:34] Ariadne mutualism generates healthier community [21:35] XFaCE Not everything has to be community [21:35] Ariadne a community that is healthy is a community that is willing to take a bullet for you [21:35] XFaCE One size doesn't fit all [21:35] Ariadne anyway, i am happy to patiently play the long game on this [21:36] Ariadne you all will eventually see i am right :) [21:36] XFaCE The problem history shows... and these issues extend far beyond software, that the long game usually in massive amounts of unnecessary death [21:36] XFaCE usually results* [21:37] MinceR 25 222757 <+psymin> Correct. So maybe we can create some type of ecosystem that is cancel-resistant. So income is less threatened. A safety net for the brave. [21:37] MinceR anonymous/pseudonymous? [21:37] Ariadne ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [21:37] psymin I don't understand [21:37] Ariadne you guys need to read up on how terror cells operate [21:37] psymin Oh, we can be doxed and still be cancel-resistant [21:37] XFaCE ... [21:38] MinceR sounds unlikely [21:38] Ariadne i mean the smart ones [21:38] psymin As long as there is a market for what is created, a means to pay for those creations, and the ability to create them [21:38] MinceR especially if we also do work for a living [21:38] Ariadne there's a lot of relevant knowledge on these topics [21:38] psymin Yep. Job creation would have to be part of it. [21:38] MinceR also, it may be difficult to enforce copyleft if we can't put our real names on copyright notices [21:38] Ariadne a good case study would be the viet cong [21:39] Ariadne MinceR: yes, but "leadership" persona does not have to map to a physical person [21:39] psymin Eventually the banking blockade can be used as the ultimate cancellation. So bypassing that would be useful. [21:39] Ariadne i believe cryptocurrencies have solved that problem [21:40] Ariadne VISA can't stop me from sending you bitcoin [21:40] psymin I agree. They're essential for a cancel-resistant ecosystem. [21:40] Ariadne ok, so we have cellular organizations with psuedonymous leaders, and the shitcoin of your choice [21:41] Ariadne you guys are smart, i am sure you can figure out the rest of the puzzle [21:41] Ariadne some additional relevant reading: the Zapatista movement in Chicas, Mexico [21:43] psymin heh [21:45] psymin Mao's Cultural revolution is also relevant reading. Struggle sessions are happening. [21:45] *ephemer0l has quit (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.) [21:45] Ariadne word up [21:46] Ariadne you wanna solve corporatism, we gotta have a revolution [21:46] *ephemer0l_ (~ephemer0l@pentoo/user/ephemer0l) has joined #techrights [21:46] psymin I'm not sure that corporatism is the root of the problem, but a tool being leveraged to cause harm. [21:47] MinceR to me it seems like one form of the problem [21:48] Ariadne we live in fucked up time [21:48] MinceR it manifests as states, corporations and churches that attempt to control people and use them as pawns to further their own ends [21:48] Ariadne all of this outrage culture is a result of that [21:48] psymin authoritarianism is an issue certainly [21:48] Ariadne RMS is today's contestant in the thunderdome [21:48] *davisr_ is now known as davisr [21:48] psymin yes, the culture is a huge part of the issue [21:49] Ariadne i still do not think RMS is capable of being an effective leader though :) [21:49] psymin We see struggle sessions happening daily. We're reluctant, collectively, to speak out against the abuse. [21:49] *MinceR gives voice to ephemer0l_ davisr [21:49] MinceR i don't think we can afford to have leaders [21:50] psymin Leaderless movements have benefits and drawbacks. [21:50] psymin Easier to smear, certainly. [21:50] Ariadne MinceR: precisely [21:51] psymin For a leaderless movement, we'd need a key ideology, in my opinion. Some method of saying "This is, and this is not, who we are." [21:52] Ariadne we already have one: software freedom [21:52] psymin :) [21:52] psymin a software freedom movement seems like it would benefit from something more than just the four software freedoms [21:53] MinceR might as well combine hardware into it at this point [21:53] psymin What would a culture that embodied the ideology of software freedom look like? [21:54] psymin In my opinion, letting others "merely exist" seems in-line with the four software freedoms. Letting others do what they want. [21:54] liberty_box https://shop.fsf.org/ - I have just donated...thanking FSF for bringing Stallman back :-) [21:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-shop.fsf.org | FSF Shop [21:54] psymin <3 [21:55] schestowitz I got mails suggesting others do the same [21:55] psymin I don't need to like or agree with RMS to support his use of free software. We don't need to like or agree with any of the community members. [21:55] schestowitz we'll win this round [21:55] schestowitz it's about the ideas [21:55] schestowitz not the person [21:55] schestowitz but the attack on the person is on the ideas [21:55] schestowitz not because of things he said or did to women [21:55] psymin I agree. The attack on the person is an attack on the ideology. [21:55] schestowitz but because of what he says on software [21:56] schestowitz [21:53] After this whole storm is over, if RMS is OK, we'll be a lot stronger. [21:56] schestowitz [21:53] RMS and Oliva wrote to me. We'll be fine. Just let the mob get 'bored'... [21:56] psymin None of us are "without sin". We will all become targets, even if we bow. [21:57] psymin This type of attack is happening in every area in our society. I'm glad the free software movement is resisting it. [21:58] *inode (~inode@unaffiliated/inode) has joined #techrights ● Mar 25 [22:00] schestowitz yes [22:00] *schestowitz gives voice to inode [22:00] schestowitz psymin: I will respond to everytyhing SUnday onwards [22:00] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/634683.jpg [22:01] schestowitz not now as it would only add fuel for the mob [22:01] inode hi [22:01] psymin that makes a lot of sense, thank you [22:01] schestowitz we also have major reports on USPTO this weekend [22:01] schestowitz and other issues [22:01] schestowitz inode: hi [22:01] schestowitz I try not to lose sight [22:01] schestowitz [21:49] I also cover some patent/EPO scandals, which unlike the RMS fuss is NEWS, not a phony BS from 2 years ago... in an MIT private mailing list. [22:01] schestowitz [21:49] They also tried to cancel RMS in 2009. One of MANY articles: [22:01] schestowitz [21:49] http://techrights.org/2009/12/10/proprietary-software-free-arena/ [22:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard Stallman on [GNOME] Code of Conduct and Foundation Membership | Techrights [22:02] schestowitz (different channel) [22:02] Ariadne its largely performative bullshit [22:02] Ariadne it is a non-story [22:02] Ariadne RMS will be fine, ego possibly mildly bruised [22:02] schestowitz I want to outline here [22:02] schestowitz 1. we have evidence of USPTO abuse [22:02] schestowitz lots of PDFs send our way [22:03] schestowitz 2. we have a story about employers BANNING employees from expressing support for FSF/RMS [22:03] schestowitz but not because they hate him/them [22:03] schestowitz but because the 'cancel mob' scares the businesses [22:03] schestowitz 3. some EPO scandal [22:03] schestowitz I will also do some long rebuttals to many blogs and news reports about RMS that continue to spread lies [22:04] schestowitz like calling him Epstein supporter [22:04] schestowitz that's Bill Gates, not RMS [22:04] schestowitz Ariadne: RMS seems calm [22:04] Ariadne that's fine [22:04] schestowitz based on my emails with him [22:04] schestowitz he improved a lot with temper [22:05] schestowitz and barely said anything offensive since then [22:05] schestowitz so it'll be hard to find "new dirt" on him [22:05] Ariadne schestowitz: yeah well, knowing there's a petition with several hundred key people who are unhappy about this [22:05] inode MinceR 1+ for living in a big-box store, i'd be amazed if anyone could pull that off nowadays [22:05] Ariadne is still going to bruise ego [22:05] schestowitz we'll perservere [22:05] schestowitz you know i support your distro, Ariadne [22:05] schestowitz and BSD also [22:06] schestowitz and some UNIXes [22:06] Ariadne i want to do better than perservere [22:06] schestowitz some people want blood [22:06] schestowitz I just want bad software to go away [22:06] schestowitz things like "clown" and "apps" that track you every 5 secs [22:06] Ariadne i want to have a reality where RMS works with other leaders to build a resilient FOSS ecosystem [22:06] schestowitz I still use GNOPME [22:06] schestowitz I still link to OSI blog posts [22:06] schestowitz even though OSI is defuncyt [22:07] Ariadne there are ways forward where RMS can be on FSF board and assuage the concerns of the majority of those signatories [22:07] Ariadne he knows my email if he needs help figuring it out [22:07] MinceR OSI is worse than defunct now [22:07] schestowitz also apropos: [22:07] schestowitz [21:26] > I know you've been busy lately :) but here's an update on voting process at OSI... if you haven't heard. [22:07] schestowitz [21:26] > Re-vote at OSI was a no go today... but received an email about the future plan in an update? Content here: [22:07] schestowitz [21:26] > https://opensource.org/election_update [22:07] schestowitz [21:26] > [22:07] schestowitz [21:26] > if you haven't seen - their plan to restore trust in OSI elections is mentioned. [22:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.org | OSI Election Update: Trust and Transparency in the 2021 Board Election | Open Source Initiative [22:07] schestowitz [21:26] > [22:07] schestowitz [21:26] > Still do not see exact details regarding the vulnerability. [22:07] schestowitz [21:26] > Anyway, memberships will expire and others will join in the meantime - So... who is eligible to vote when a re-vote happens? [22:07] schestowitz [21:26] > [22:07] schestowitz [21:26] > As for the individual memberships - anyone with a lot of allies or dollars could manipulate the vote. [22:08] Ariadne i am just happy to know that somebody forked GNU make and ripped out all the crap like MS-DOS support [22:08] schestowitz Ariadne: he told me people's concerns vary [22:08] schestowitz and he accepts some have legit issue [22:08] schestowitz drop him a mail [22:08] Ariadne he is very extremely aware of my concerns [22:08] schestowitz maybe you can reach an agreement on something [22:08] Ariadne unlikely [22:08] schestowitz Ariadne: seems so [22:08] schestowitz that he knows [22:09] schestowitz anyway, I'm happy to see things moving on [22:09] schestowitz the same people recycle old gripes [22:09] schestowitz and red hat pretends that it cared about fsf for the past few years [22:09] schestowitz it wasn't even a patron for years [22:09] schestowitz ibm for longer [22:10] schestowitz I will mention this in the weekend [22:10] schestowitz they all depend on a lot of gnu stuff [22:10] schestowitz and if not gnu, gpl [22:10] schestowitz they cannot make it go away [22:10] schestowitz google still tries to get rid of gpl [22:10] schestowitz but android has gpl [22:10] schestowitz (linux) [22:10] schestowitz afaik, only dibona signed that letter (from google management) [22:11] MinceR that's what fuchsia is supposed to fix :> [22:11] schestowitz many of the names there do not shock [22:11] schestowitz mozilla is a google 'proxy' [22:11] schestowitz maybe 90% of their money is google [22:11] schestowitz google can make DEMANDS to them [22:11] MinceR there are a couple more google people on the list now [22:11] schestowitz "or we won't pay you anymore!" (=bankruptcy) [22:11] schestowitz MinceR: mjg59 [22:12] schestowitz :-) [22:12] schestowitz "I'm not working there anymore!!! They paid me enough!" [22:12] MinceR he also served microshit [22:12] schestowitz he probably made in a year what I made in a decade of work [22:12] MinceR "made"? more like "was given" [22:12] Ariadne anyway in other news [22:13] MinceR locking people out of their property is not productive [22:13] Ariadne alpine is planning to create something to compete with systemd [22:13] MinceR another kitchensink daemon? [22:13] Ariadne no [22:13] Ariadne quite the opposite [22:14] psymin Which remaining foss orgs are trustworthy? [22:14] MinceR or another service manager the cancerd proponents will ignore even exists, like everything that isn't sysvinit? [22:14] MinceR psymin: dyne seems trustworthy [22:14] schestowitz psymin: foss or freesw? [22:14] schestowitz if it says "OSS", I already doubt its motivations [22:15] schestowitz and if it takes GAFAM money, more so [22:15] schestowitz (I'm looking at you, SFC) [22:15] schestowitz it's an old modus operandi, create a parallel movement, boost and prop it up, then use it to attack the original [22:16] psymin I thought foss and free software were the same, apologies. I know oss isn't, hence the need for the f. [22:16] Ariadne alpine is definitely freesw [22:16] schestowitz media and "Big Money" promote the parallel one. They did this to crush civil rights movements, created a fake "moderate" one to crush the grassroots [22:16] schestowitz calling them "extreme" and stuff [22:16] *psymin bookmarks dyne.org [22:16] schestowitz which means, "not compromising" [22:16] schestowitz yes, they're OK, psymin [22:16] schestowitz psymin: not the same [22:17] schestowitz I never say Open Source anymore [22:17] Ariadne anyway, RMS is moving in the right direction with having a staff seat on the board [22:17] schestowitz look no further at what OSI became a year ago [22:17] Ariadne what i would ultimately like to see is multiple community seats on the FSF board [22:17] schestowitz they made a statement today [22:17] schestowitz about the board [22:17] *techrights-ipfs has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [22:17] schestowitz KDE asked for clarifications [22:17] psymin It is frustrating. There are already a number of non-free orgs out there that play these games. I wish those games would be limited to those places. Seems like nowhere is free. [22:18] Ariadne i would like to see the entire FSF board picked by GNU maintainers [22:18] *techrights-ipfs (~techright@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:c7f2:e919:b6dc:6252) has joined #techrights [22:18] schestowitz the nice thing is about freesw is, [22:18] schestowitz unlike a company [22:18] schestowitz the software and "assets" pass free [22:18] *phebus has quit (Quit: POKE 1,0) [22:18] schestowitz they're not physical assets [22:18] Ariadne if RMS is as popular with his maintainers as he believes, this shouldn't be a problem [22:18] schestowitz and licence is not a limiting factor [22:18] schestowitz so as long as we have some uncompromised groups, we're OK [22:18] schestowitz arch [22:18] schestowitz gentoo [22:18] schestowitz dyne [22:18] schestowitz devuan [22:18] psymin It often seems that there be freesw code with CC assets [22:18] schestowitz we're spread out [22:18] schestowitz alpine also [22:19] Ariadne alpine is freesw but non-GNU [22:19] *schestowitz gives voice to techrights-ipfs [22:19] psymin non-gnu free software? [22:19] schestowitz budybox [22:19] Ariadne the reason for non-GNU is that a lot of GNU software is not good [22:19] schestowitz afaik, gpl [22:19] schestowitz busybox [22:19] Ariadne i would like to again cite GNU make as an example here [22:19] psymin busybox is gpl [22:20] Ariadne it still has 30k lines of code dedicated to MS-DOS and VMS support [22:20] XFaCE <@schestowitz> gentoo [22:20] psymin <3 gentoo [22:20] XFaCE not anymore [22:20] schestowitz Ariadne: you might not like Linux either then... [22:20] Ariadne schestowitz: i don't [22:20] schestowitz but it has the best h/w support [22:20] schestowitz by far [22:21] schestowitz linux does good work for me when I plug things in and out [22:21] Ariadne linux is "good for now" [22:21] schestowitz KDE is good, I also use gnome and xfce4 on other machines... all with linux and gnu [22:21] MinceR that hardware support is going away [22:21] schestowitz WIndows is a MESS [22:22] schestowitz they cannot even update it without breaking it [22:22] schestowitz it's living on borrowed time [22:22] schestowitz and old inertia, secret OEM deals [22:22] XFaCE laid of QA staff [22:22] XFaCE *off [22:22] schestowitz yeah [22:22] schestowitz or left [22:22] schestowitz and they have too much to maintain [22:22] schestowitz they cannot even release a new version of Windows anymore [22:22] schestowitz it became a lousy rolling distro [22:23] schestowitz that bricks itself with updates you CANNOT block [22:23] Ariadne its kind of funny [22:23] schestowitz unless you pull the plug or shut off wifi [22:23] Ariadne alpine core team was asked about The Letter [22:23] Ariadne and they declined to endorse it [22:23] schestowitz no benefit to it [22:23] Ariadne because it was deemed inappropriate [22:23] XFaCE schestowitz: you think MS will try to turn Windows back into OpenVMS? [22:23] Ariadne but debian [22:23] Ariadne is having a GR on it [22:23] schestowitz removing the whole board is overboard [22:24] schestowitz zini et al [22:24] schestowitz few debian devs, %-wise, signed [22:24] psydroid there is already OpenVMS that has been ported to x86 [22:24] Ariadne schestowitz: i would like to see a board of GNU maintainers [22:24] schestowitz I saw 3-4 blog posts in Planet Debian [22:25] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [22:25] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [22:25] Ariadne if RMS said he was going to open the entire board slots up to GNU maintainers and GNU maintainers get to vote on it [22:25] schestowitz suggest that to him [22:25] schestowitz rms at gnu [22:26] Ariadne then i think most would walk away from The Letter [22:26] Ariadne yes [22:26] Ariadne i have his email [22:26] schestowitz it seems like a reasonable idea [22:26] schestowitz unlike "flush the board!!!" [22:26] XFaCE <+Ariadne> then i think most would walk away from The Letter [22:26] XFaCE considering most are seemingly doing it out of peer pressure and mob inertia, that seems generous [22:26] schestowitz it might even be a good "compromise" to appease some concerns [22:26] schestowitz XFaCE: not that [22:27] Ariadne XFaCE: it will take the air out of the room [22:27] schestowitz misunderstanding [22:27] Ariadne for sure [22:27] XFaCE esp. as many of the prominent actors are not good faith [22:27] schestowitz like drupal founder [22:27] schestowitz they believe false media reports [22:27] schestowitz that describe RMS has some sort of Epstein #2 [22:27] Ariadne schestowitz: i also think all FSF staff and management, should be released from their NDAs [22:27] schestowitz they want to carry on with their job [22:27] schestowitz in a few days they can [22:28] schestowitz if only people calmed the F* down [22:28] Ariadne so basically 3 things need to happen [22:28] MinceR SJWs don't calm down [22:28] Ariadne and the thing will go away [22:28] MinceR stirring up shit is what they live for [22:28] schestowitz MinceR: then they would get bored [22:28] psymin true [22:28] schestowitz what else would they do, CODE?!? [22:28] MinceR lol [22:28] schestowitz write articles? [22:28] MinceR you mean, fix typos in comments? [22:28] schestowitz report on corporate corruption? [22:29] schestowitz no, let's bully "old man" [22:29] schestowitz RMS [22:29] Ariadne - FSF board needs to be reconfigured to reflect GNU maintainers [22:29] Ariadne - the NDAs have to go [22:29] schestowitz MinceR: typos like "sanity check" [22:30] psymin Have many gnu maintainers adopted the ideology that demonizes folks? I worry. [22:30] Ariadne - there should be radical transparency: every aspect of the FSF should be open for public inspection [22:30] schestowitz that's ableism apparently [22:30] schestowitz Ariadne: I oppose NDAs in general [22:30] Ariadne well [22:30] psymin I like that idea, but fear it would be exploited by the same folks causing trouble today. [22:30] MinceR lol [22:30] Ariadne FSF makes the staff sign NDAs [22:30] Ariadne which is actually biting them in the ass [22:30] Ariadne right now :) [22:31] psymin What do you suspect could be disclosed that would help them? [22:31] schestowitz I oppose NDAs [22:31] schestowitz in all contexts [22:31] schestowitz I think there might be grounds for conflict with 1st AM. [22:31] Ariadne some incidents cited by some people backing the letter could be disproven with staff accounts (and i know that for a fact) [22:32] psymin that makes sense [22:32] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [22:32] Ariadne unfortunately, there is an NDA :) [22:32] schestowitz people can keep secret based on courtesy and common sense [22:32] Ariadne and Eben Moglen is a very litigious man [22:32] Ariadne now, if the NDAs go, there will be some bad stuff about RMS too [22:33] Ariadne but there will be good as well [22:33] psymin I actually haven't been following the smear narrative much, just the 2018 incident. [22:33] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [22:34] Ariadne i think the movement in general needs radical reorganization though [22:34] Ariadne it should not really matter that RMS is on the board of something [22:34] Ariadne a healthy movement would be able to move past such differences [22:34] psymin I agree that it shouldn't matter. What does matter, in my opinion, is having an org that doesn't care what the outside world thinks of their board members. [22:35] MinceR the movement needs to stop caring about organizations (foundations, etc.) in this way [22:35] Ariadne precisely [22:35] Ariadne the only reason anyone is fighting over this [22:35] Ariadne is because the FSF [22:35] Ariadne holds authoritative control over a shitload of IP [22:36] Ariadne if the FSF did not [22:36] schestowitz IP? [22:36] Ariadne nobody would care [22:36] schestowitz how many addresses do they have? [22:36] schestowitz PING fsf.org(www.fsf.org (2001:470:142:4::a)) 56 data bytes [22:36] Ariadne well i think they have a /24, but i meant the other kind of IP :) [22:36] psymin which intellectual property does the FSF have control over? [22:36] schestowitz copyrights [22:36] Ariadne psymin: everything in the GNU project [22:36] *psymin thinks. [22:36] schestowitz trademark maybe [22:36] schestowitz that's it [22:37] schestowitz no patents [22:37] psymin I like the way Linus handled that :) [22:37] Ariadne in order to contribute to the GNU project, you must file a copyright assignment contract with the FSF [22:37] psymin that is a double edged sword [22:37] Ariadne yes [22:37] schestowitz without that, it can become an issuie [22:37] MinceR they have copyright assignments and there's a lot of stuff licensed under GPL # "or newer" or something like that [22:37] schestowitz what's that javascript bit that broke everything because a developer took away his/her code? [22:37] psymin it is what allows Oracle to buy up projects [22:37] schestowitz it was about 3 years ago [22:37] MinceR leftpad [22:37] psymin some npm thing [22:38] schestowitz yeah [22:38] Ariadne anyway [22:38] Ariadne because of the centralization [22:38] schestowitz linux and canonical do the same [22:38] Ariadne it is a valuable target [22:38] schestowitz for code bits [22:38] schestowitz core [22:38] schestowitz CLA has problems in other contextx [22:38] Ariadne if FSF were just a fundraising org [22:38] schestowitz like FOR-PROFIT companies [22:38] schestowitz like Canonical [22:39] schestowitz FSF isn't a company you can buy [22:39] Ariadne nobody would care [22:39] schestowitz Oracle won't buy your copyrighted code [22:39] schestowitz I've just paid FSF [22:39] Ariadne it's the power RMS holds as executive director over that cache of copyright assignments [22:39] MinceR 25 233902 <@schestowitz> FSF isn't a company you can buy [22:39] MinceR its members can be corrupted, though [22:39] schestowitz yes [22:39] schestowitz but it's a known issue [22:39] schestowitz also "patrons" [22:39] schestowitz sponsors [22:40] Ariadne MinceR: which is why i think the board should be people who have skin in the game [22:40] psymin I worry that some folks with "skin in the game" are already corrupted. [22:40] schestowitz RMS explained on Sunday that we cannot cope with ethical [sic] licences as it would cause chaos [22:40] schestowitz like a distro you can use only is x, y, z [22:40] MinceR what psymin said [22:40] schestowitz or distro where some applications you are allowed to use, some you cannot [22:41] Ariadne at the same time it is not nice that alpine runs on northrup grumman drones and cruise missiles [22:42] Ariadne i mean, bluntly, i am not going to be celebrating the fact that my code is being actively used to murder people [22:42] MinceR i wish i had armed drones and cruise missiles to run alpine on [22:43] schestowitz lol [22:44] *schestowitz checks the back yard [22:44] psymin Meh. I see the ethics as a non-issue. [22:44] Ariadne i also think the FSF could take some substantive actions on that topic to counter the ethical source crowd [22:44] XFaCE <+Ariadne> at the same time it is not nice that alpine runs on northrup grumman drones and cruise missiles [22:44] psymin We need to let anyone use the software for any purpose. Anyone. Any purpose. [22:44] MinceR what, sacrifice a freedom or two? [22:44] schestowitz USA: you can buy assault rifle, not surprise kinder chocolate eggs [22:44] XFaCE As if an ethical source license will stop the military industrial complex [22:44] MinceR legislating ethics failed once already, let's try again inside a copyright license [22:44] Ariadne XFaCE: it won't [22:44] XFaCE who enforces copyright again? [22:44] MinceR the state [22:45] schestowitz if it cares [22:45] psymin Ethical source should be a separate org, with separate activists, and separate ideology. [22:45] Ariadne but for example, the FSF can do activism against this kind of usage [22:45] schestowitz like City of London Police [22:45] MinceR 25 234431 <@schestowitz> USA: you can buy assault rifle, not surprise kinder chocolate eggs [22:45] schestowitz they won't care if you're not Big Business [22:45] MinceR afaik you can't buy assault rifles [22:45] Ariadne we can shame those organizations for using our code in this way [22:45] psymin Ariadne, absolutely not. I'm against that. [22:45] MinceR assault rifles are selective fire, i.e. they can fire full auto [22:45] schestowitz MinceR: there are more restrictions now [22:45] MinceR and they don't allow the sales of those, sadly [22:45] psymin I'm okay with you having that opinion though. [22:45] XFaCE oh yes, because the likes of NSA et al are really driven by shame [22:45] psymin But free software must remain free. Public shaming and struggle sessions are not the right path. [22:45] MinceR of course politicians have said tons of bullshit about "assault weapons" that confuse the issue [22:46] schestowitz sexual assault rifles [22:46] XFaCE <+Ariadne> we can shame those organizations for using our code in this way [22:46] MinceR lol [22:46] Ariadne psymin: well, when the kid gets blown up by the cruise missile, did he benefit from northrup grumman's software freedom? [22:46] psymin :D [22:46] XFaCE shame implies empathy [22:46] *openJ has quit () [22:46] schestowitz that's what she called his thing [22:46] XFaCE you cannot shame psychopathic organizations [22:47] *openJ (sid276354@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oewfjhqoiiorwrxd) has joined #techrights [22:47] MinceR when the kid's life is saved by blowing up his assailants by the cruise missile, did he benefit from software freedom? [22:47] *MinceR gives voice to openJ [22:47] psymin Ariadne, I don't really engage on this type of subjective moral game. [22:47] Ariadne MinceR: only if the source code is delivered at the same time as the explosion [22:47] MinceR lol [22:47] schestowitz MinceR: that relates to the fake ethics debate [22:47] psymin Once we let subjectivity in the door, much worse will follow. [22:47] *koo5 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [22:47] schestowitz like companies that bomb [22:47] schestowitz but demand manners from staff [22:47] XFaCE Ariadne: RMS' poltical feed is filled with awareness of MIC issues [22:47] psymin companies that bomb should use foss [22:47] psymin sorry, freesw [22:47] psymin I'm still going to use the term foss if that is okay [22:47] schestowitz or hire women to bomb... like the victims care if a woman fires the missile or dropped the bomb [22:48] psymin ^ [22:48] Ariadne XFaCE: yes, but i would like to see FSF say even the most marginal thing like "this isn't what we had in mind" [22:48] psymin I don't think it is the FSF's place to do that. [22:48] XFaCE It's the ACLU's place [22:48] schestowitz techrights covered this a lot when drones were all over the news [22:48] schestowitz circa 2013 [22:48] XFaCE or whatever [22:48] psymin I'd like to see the concept of free software embodied in our culture. [22:48] schestowitz ethics of freesw in war [22:48] MinceR doesn't seem to be a software freedom issue to me [22:49] XFaCE exactly, it isn't [22:49] *psymin nods. [22:49] Ariadne MinceR: well in order to make use of software freedom you have to still be alive [22:49] schestowitz it was about people trying to prevent use of freesw to kill [22:49] XFaCE and how ethical software licenses at present are being used is just another censorship tactic among regular people [22:49] psymin that prevention is mutually exclusive with freesw [22:49] MinceR Ariadne: it doesn't make a difference, you could be killed by a weapon that includes no software at all [22:49] psymin activism in that direction is activism away from freesw [22:49] schestowitz yes [22:49] schestowitz it's a straw man [22:50] MinceR s/by/with/ [22:50] XFaCE Hammers making weapons, hammer manufacturers must speak up [22:50] Ariadne by the way dyne agrees with me on that [22:50] XFaCE that's silly [22:50] schestowitz to paint freesw as inherently unethicl [22:50] MinceR no need to blame objects :> [22:50] psymin How is boming children any better or worse with non-free software? [22:50] XFaCE Ariadne: consensus fallacy [22:50] psymin it is a non-issue [22:50] schestowitz wall street runs on gnu/linux [22:50] schestowitz used to be unix/sun [22:50] Ariadne then again dyne.org also used to have people smoking weed on their website [22:50] psymin that is great! [22:50] Ariadne :) [22:51] Ariadne schestowitz: i hate to break it to ya but [22:51] MinceR is smoking weed also unethical? :> [22:51] schestowitz Ariadne: nobody harmed [22:51] Ariadne wallstreet runs on kubernetes [22:51] Ariadne so it's my world now [22:51] schestowitz I never touched the thing, but I think it's even less harmful than alcohol [22:51] XFaCE MinceR: it seems unix philopshy applies [22:51] MinceR oppressive governments also run on some free software [22:51] Ariadne MinceR: smoking weed is fantastic [22:51] XFaCE do one thing and do it well [22:51] Ariadne i got it [22:51] XFaCE having multiple focuses dilutes the intention [22:51] MinceR can we stop them by changing licensing terms? unlikely. [22:52] Ariadne anyway i think it is interesting discussion [22:52] psymin Yep, someone else can make an org dedicated to publicly shaming people. I won't be a part of that org. [22:52] XFaCE <@MinceR> can we stop them by changing licensing terms? unlikely. [22:52] MinceR hell, what secret services do tends to be hidden from the state's own justice and law enforcement systems, even [22:52] Ariadne i do agree that ultimately you cannot solve it and have a freesw solution [22:52] XFaCE rarely has a legislative solution solve a societal issue [22:52] XFaCE *solved [22:52] Ariadne anyway [22:53] MinceR psymin: shaming people from doing thing A and also for not doing it and also for doing its opposite! [22:53] XFaCE Esepcially when the bad actors in this case will bend the law when it suits them [22:53] MinceR s/from/for/ [22:54] Ariadne i think RMS recognizing the value of GNU maintainers and letting them make up the board would solve a lot of this [22:54] Ariadne it is the GNU maintainers that give the FSF strategic value [22:54] Ariadne they should be at the forefront of running the organization [22:54] Ariadne it is definitely the Right Thing [22:55] psymin How about another org for those maintainers? [22:55] Ariadne because that doesn't lead to equity [22:55] XFaCE Ariadne: the point is the petition will do absolutely nothing for those individuals, and it isn't those individuals pushing the tactic at hand. [22:55] psymin I'm opposed to equity. [22:55] psymin Equality, however, I support. [22:56] XFaCE The "GNU Maintainers" aren't Molly Le Blanc [22:56] Ariadne psymin: you do not think the workers should run the board where they work? [22:56] Ariadne XFaCE: molly de blanc actually was a GNU maintainer [22:56] XFaCE She isn't now [22:56] XFaCE so moot point [22:56] psymin For gnu stuff, I'll have to think on it. I worry that gnu maintainers have become corrupted. [22:57] XFaCE And her actions make it clear that your proposal has nothing to do with her intentions [22:57] Ariadne if GNU maintainers are corrupted, then GNU is corrupted and should be rightly discarded [22:57] *schestowitz gives voice to swaggboi [22:57] XFaCE Right, and in the here and now, corporate actors fill the void [22:57] *schestowitz gives voice to whytek [22:57] XFaCE nothing of value is gained [22:57] Ariadne XFaCE: i have bad news, they are already there [22:57] schestowitz this is what it's all aboutn [22:58] schestowitz the way I see it, but worse: [22:58] *koo5 (~koo5@78-80-25-163.customers.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [22:58] Ariadne 90% of GNU is bankrolled by red hat and suse [22:58] schestowitz they set an example to scare corporate critics [22:58] Ariadne now IBM and soon to be IBM [22:58] psymin how many of the signers of the anti-rms letter are gnu maintainers? [22:58] schestowitz Ariadne: citation needed [22:58] Ariadne schestowitz: GCC is bankrolled by red hat [22:58] schestowitz I know about GCC [22:58] schestowitz and SUSE's role also [22:58] schestowitz I can see it [22:58] Ariadne schestowitz: glibc is bankrolled by red hat [22:58] schestowitz but GCC is not all of GNU [22:59] Ariadne the citation is in the git logs [22:59] Ariadne the shit in GNU [22:59] schestowitz GNU has many hundreds of projects [22:59] psymin I say we should install a true believer at the helm, and potentially work towards "equity" afterwards. Potentially not though. [22:59] Ariadne that actually matters [22:59] Ariadne schestowitz: yes, and like less than 50 of them actually matter [22:59] schestowitz ok, [22:59] XFaCE <+Ariadne> psymin: you do not think the workers should run the board where they work? [22:59] schestowitz so you redefine the metrics [22:59] MinceR if the moles leave in protest, that is fine too [22:59] XFaCE As a rule? absolutely not [22:59] schestowitz brb hungry.. [22:59] MinceR if that kills the FSF, so be it ● Mar 25 [23:00] psymin Yep, better to let a good idea die, than for it to become a bad idea. [23:00] XFaCE Indeed, but let's not pretend this petition is going to lead to some massive positive development [23:00] psymin Free software will persist. It might not be in the form of the FSF, and that is okay. [23:00] psymin Well, the petition outed supporters and opponents alike. [23:00] psymin We're all on lists now. [23:00] Ariadne the petition did not out anyone [23:01] Ariadne you are assuming anti-RMS = anti-freesw [23:01] Ariadne there are plenty of reasons to be anti-RMS and still pro-freesw [23:01] MinceR i think it has already led to some positive development [23:01] XFaCE no, it showed a lot of people who will participate in mob tactics [23:01] MinceR a lot of the corporate trolls have exposed themselves [23:01] Ariadne basically that [23:01] psymin XFaCE, it did [23:01] XFaCE you keep trying to goosestep around the tactic [23:01] MinceR along with some useful idiots, i guess [23:01] XFaCE you keep making a no bad tactics argument [23:01] psymin I signed the rms support letter, which I guess means I engage in mob tactics. [23:01] XFaCE I'm sorry, this tactic sucks, it historically sucks, it will always suck [23:02] psymin IMO, it says I'm no longer afraid to stand up and finally say, "Enough is enough." [23:02] Ariadne anyway [23:02] Ariadne there are plenty of reasons to be anti-RMS and still pro-freesw [23:02] MinceR i would sign the support letter, but it's on shithub [23:03] XFaCE psymin: I wouldn't put that letter in the category of mob tactics, esp. as its existence is contigent on the first one existing in the first place [23:03] MinceR incredibly stupid place for it [23:03] psymin MinceR, I agree it is unfortunate [23:03] XFaCE <+Ariadne> there are plenty of reasons to be anti-RMS and still pro-freesw [23:03] psymin There is one not on github [23:03] XFaCE And you still sidestep the issue of the tactic being a bad one [23:03] XFaCE If you support this kind of tactic, then yes, we'll be at a unreconciliable stand still [23:03] psymin There are plenty of reasons to be pro-freesw and not engage in anti-RMS mob tactics [23:03] Ariadne you are sidestepping the point i am making [23:03] XFaCE and I think you'd would think different if the tactic was turned towards you [23:04] Ariadne XFaCE: no, i would think about why there are 2000+ people who have a beef with me [23:04] psymin I agree that I'm likely sidestepping your point. I'm open to addressing it head on, but that likely would cause conflict. [23:04] *psydroid would like to see the moles organise themselves in a corporate troll foundation based somewhere near the north pole [23:05] Ariadne psymin: there are plenty of ways to be anti-RMS and not engage in "mob tactics" [23:05] XFaCE Ariadne: I don't that's the case but by all means play sitting quarterback [23:05] XFaCE yes there is [23:05] XFaCE they chose mob tactics [23:05] XFaCE it's a matter of principle [23:05] XFaCE if the mob tactics are supported, they will continue to be used until opposed [23:05] Ariadne good for them [23:06] schestowitz i want to interface to make one point [23:06] XFaCE go ahead [23:06] schestowitz pro-RMS petition is NOT a mob [23:06] schestowitz it's a reaction to one [23:06] XFaCE ^ [23:06] Ariadne agree [23:06] psymin I agree [23:06] schestowitz see the demand in the pro-RMS [23:06] schestowitz no mob [23:06] Ariadne the pro-RMS petition is basically "we like RMS" [23:06] XFaCE Yes, and that is a compromised position, as it means they too will be targeted by the actual mob [23:07] schestowitz the anti-RMS is not anti-RMS [23:07] XFaCE so like roy says, not the same [23:07] schestowitz it's a blackmail letter [23:07] schestowitz to ALL the FSF [23:07] Ariadne also agree [23:07] schestowitz calling for collective punishment [23:07] psymin yes. [23:07] Ariadne wich is why i am considering pulling my support [23:07] XFaCE yes [23:07] schestowitz some signed it despite not agreeing with that part [23:07] psymin This is a specific tactic that is being used everywhere in our society. [23:07] XFaCE You shouldn't have to consider [23:07] schestowitz it's like doxing [23:07] XFaCE is it right, or is it wrong? [23:07] Ariadne because i signed it not agreeing with that part [23:07] schestowitz "Dead chris, fire roy OR ELSE!!" [23:07] schestowitz *dear [23:08] XFaCE Ariadne: that's like supporting a war because of one very specific target [23:08] Ariadne i should also note that the wording of the letter is why alpine core team declined to ratify it when the mob came and asked [23:08] XFaCE Good for them [23:08] Ariadne XFaCE: correct, which is why i am considering pulling my support [23:08] XFaCE doesn't account for your initial principles [23:08] schestowitz [23:07] "Dear chris, fire roy OR ELSE!!" < based on a true story [23:08] XFaCE So the alpine team needed to remind you that blackmailing witchhunt mobs are wrong? [23:09] schestowitz the name chris is fictional [23:09] Ariadne XFaCE: i do not agree with your characterization [23:09] schestowitz by extension they also say "FIRE RIANNE" [23:09] psymin I oppose struggle sessions. I oppose this cultural revolution. I support individual liberty and classical liberalism. [23:09] XFaCE It's basedon your actions [23:09] schestowitz we work for the same company [23:09] XFaCE From a brief reading of the letter it was clear what it was [23:09] psymin Free software is the closest we can get to the ideology I hold. [23:10] psymin Free software isn't a zero sum game. Dogpiling mobs to cancel people is. [23:10] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_punishment [23:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Collective punishment - Wikipedia [23:10] psymin free software is an omni-win, anti-rivalrous system, or can be, should be [23:10] XFaCE Ariadne: it is good that you are at *least* reconsidering your position, but it is troubling you overlooked this fact in the first place [23:10] psymin no need to shame someone for becoming a better person [23:10] Ariadne XFaCE: i did not overlook anything [23:10] psymin forgiveness is something we need more of [23:11] XFaCE Ariadne: obviously you did if you are reconsidering [23:11] Ariadne XFaCE: no, but i am willing to change my mind [23:11] XFaCE reconsidering implies an initial detail was overlooked or missed [23:11] schestowitz " Nazi troops killed 434 men in three villages near Kragujevac on October 19, 1941 as punishment for previous actions of the Serbian resistance movement." [23:11] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_punishment#World_War_II [23:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Collective punishment - Wikipedia [23:11] XFaCE yes, and you are changing your mind based on overlooking something [23:11] psymin or it implies new evidence has come to light [23:11] schestowitz CrystalMath might know [23:11] XFaCE Same difference [23:12] Ariadne XFaCE: the initial decision was one of passion [23:12] schestowitz it's not fair to threaten that lady who joined FSF board [23:12] psymin We're moving towards a totalitarian culture, where dissent is not allowed. [23:12] XFaCE Ariadne: yes, and as we discussed in DMs your reactions based on that may be a source of weakness [23:12] *asusbox2 (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [23:12] schestowitz doing some music software, now threatened with banishment a year later [23:12] XFaCE I would advise you try to consider that in the future [23:12] Ariadne i suspect many other signatories also made their decisions out of passion [23:12] schestowitz but the letter is an attack on her, too [23:12] Ariadne XFaCE: unfortunately i have a big heart [23:12] psymin schestowitz, I'm unaware. Is there a way we can help support these victims? [23:13] MinceR medical condition? :> [23:13] psymin :D [23:13] schestowitz Karen Salndler [23:13] schestowitz Sandler [23:13] Ariadne MinceR: well i have fibromyalgia, but in this case i meant that i see the world in a very empathetic way [23:13] MinceR ah. [23:13] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [23:14] XFaCE Ariadne: so do I. [23:14] psymin I have empathy for the out group, the targets of mob outrage. [23:14] psymin The people swept under the rug, who are treated as less than human. [23:14] XFaCE Ariadne: it's just a value self-consistency and personal ethics more [23:14] XFaCE *I [23:14] Ariadne psymin: i would have empathy for RMS except that RMS personally undermined several years of my work [23:14] psymin Personally? Which work? [23:15] Ariadne dotGNU [23:15] Ariadne you know how schestowitz complains a lot about Mono? Mono wouldn't have been a thing if he left dotGNU alone [23:15] Ariadne instead he put some webshit idiot in charge [23:15] Ariadne who retasked the entire team to work on phpGroupWare [23:15] schestowitz mono had other issues [23:15] Ariadne i wish i were kidding [23:15] schestowitz I wrote many articles explaining the differences [23:16] schestowitz some people went further and try to compare mono to samba [23:16] *asusbox has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [23:16] psymin :( [23:16] Ariadne dotGNU was supposed to be samba [23:16] schestowitz samba is OK [23:16] Ariadne i mean, it's all a moot point now [23:17] schestowitz it deals with a real scenario that needs tackling and the protocol originally came from IBM [23:17] schestowitz Microsoft hijacked and twisted it [23:17] schestowitz Sun sued [23:17] XFaCE dotGNU is like ooxml in hindsight [23:17] Ariadne we have "won" on .NET anyway [23:17] Ariadne .NET is now free software [23:17] MinceR all of it? [23:17] schestowitz but barely used [23:17] Ariadne not copyleft, but free software in the same way BSD is [23:17] Ariadne MinceR: yes [23:17] schestowitz the goal was to get gnu/linux devs to build with .NET [23:17] schestowitz that never happened [23:17] MinceR with a patent license? [23:17] Ariadne MinceR: yes [23:18] MinceR interesting [23:18] Ariadne schestowitz: which is sad [23:18] schestowitz gnu/linux now has lots of robust software [23:18] psymin rms underminded dotGNU by putting a php coder at the helm? [23:18] schestowitz but the issues changed [23:18] Ariadne schestowitz: because if dotGNU had just been allowed to be a thing [23:18] schestowitz like, chromium isn't freedokm [23:18] Ariadne schestowitz: we would not have Rust [23:18] schestowitz so we need to adapt [23:18] psymin I'm not sure we need rust :D [23:18] schestowitz RMS spoke this past weekend a lot about android and chromeos [23:19] Ariadne psymin: memory safety is a desirable thing [23:19] psymin true [23:19] schestowitz and also tons of horrible JS inside the Web browsers, even in sites that don't need anything but plain html [23:19] schestowitz chromeos is growing FAST [23:19] schestowitz reportedly faster than MacOS [23:19] Ariadne psymin: and yes, when dotGNU started making progress on PNET, RMS sabotaged us by putting a php dev in charge who talked about web services and xmlrpc [23:19] schestowitz so we'll need to speak about how to deal with it, it's already huge in schools in Canada and US for years [23:20] Ariadne then de Icaza ripped most of the PNET class library to bootstrap Mono [23:20] psymin One of the neat things about free software, is that if things get hairy in one group, you can fork. [23:20] psymin But there are issues, social issues. [23:20] Ariadne psymin: forking wasn't viable [23:20] Ariadne everyone says "you can fork", but it's not really that simple [23:21] schestowitz [23:18] schestowitz: we would not have Rust < rust may be technically ok, but they seem to have been hijacked somewhat by large corporations because mozilla ebbs away [23:21] psymin Yeah, forking ends up with diminished return. [23:21] psymin Unless you can get a large group on your side, socially. [23:21] psymin The social stuff is the vulnerable point in free software. [23:21] Ariadne Hellwig v VMware makes forking even less valuable btw [23:21] Ariadne people talking about "lets fork GNU software" [23:21] schestowitz someone needs to fork wordpress [23:21] Ariadne cool, you're going to wind up with a codebase you can't protect the copyleft on [23:21] MinceR rust started out with a nonfree trademark policy and went downhill from there [23:21] schestowitz to keep it simpler and lighter [23:22] schestowitz or rewrite some bits of it [23:22] Ariadne schestowitz: i am pretty happy with wordpress 5 [23:22] schestowitz some people forked it in the past [23:22] psymin Hmm. "Hellwig failed to identify in the VMware product the specific lines of code for which he owned copyright" [23:22] schestowitz Ariadne: i installed it recently [23:22] schestowitz at work [23:22] schestowitz it would not even go without JS [23:22] schestowitz blank pages [23:23] schestowitz psymin: vmware admitted violation [23:23] schestowitz late: [23:23] psymin damn [23:23] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/04/28/openwashing-vmware-after-gpl-abuses/ [23:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Foundation Has Helped VMware Lie About Its Deliberate GPL Violations That are Connected to Microsoft, Another Prolific GPL Violator | Techrights [23:23] schestowitz insider [23:23] schestowitz not many noticed [23:23] schestowitz ad hom against us [23:23] psymin ugh the linux foundation [23:24] schestowitz they helped cover up the mess [23:24] psymin all the complainers should just go there instead of the fsf :) [23:24] schestowitz and spamnil still does with "disk" [23:24] schestowitz "dirk [23:24] MinceR 26 002152 <+Ariadne> cool, you're going to wind up with a codebase you can't protect the copyleft on [23:24] MinceR how does this work? [23:24] schestowitz they keep googlebombing the topic [23:24] schestowitz to create uncertainty and doubt about what they did [23:24] Ariadne MinceR: in EU, you're required to prove ownership of a non-trivial part of the code (and they count it by LOC) [23:25] MinceR curious [23:25] MinceR what counts as "non-trivial"? [23:25] Ariadne MinceR: Hellwig tried to sue VMware because his code from Linux (header files) were included into VMkernel [23:25] psymin more than headers, I'd hope, like SCO? [23:25] Ariadne MinceR: and he did not meet the requirements [23:26] psymin damn [23:26] psymin they count it by lines of code?! [23:26] MinceR what was the nature of his code? typo fix, bug fix, new feature, new driver? [23:26] Ariadne (it was his linked lists implementation) [23:26] MinceR ah. [23:26] psymin so you can flat out copy X number of lines and be fine? [23:26] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [23:26] Ariadne i guess so, if they are the right lines [23:26] MinceR so copyleft is even weaker than believed before [23:27] psymin I've got an idea for an unethical business :D [23:27] Ariadne Christoph Hellwig is a core linux dev btw [23:27] Ariadne so he definitely has some skin in that game [23:27] MinceR well, figures [23:27] Ariadne but because he did not control "enough" of Linux, he could not sue [23:27] MinceR what can one expect when trying to get the state to do something that is not in the interests of sociopaths in charge of megacorporations... [23:28] psymin Perhaps we could put folks on the FSF board who have been "on the front lines" vs closed source, like Hellwig. Or who have been ejected from their projects by the outrage mob. [23:28] MinceR they may not have the time to deal with FSF board activities, though [23:28] MinceR or the interest [23:28] psymin very true [23:28] Ariadne "Perhaps we could put folks on the FSF board who have been "on the front lines" vs closed source, like Hellwig." this i would support [23:29] MinceR but it's worth a try [23:29] schestowitz https://linuxreviews.org/Fight_against_idiocy;_support_RMS [23:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxreviews.org | Fight against idiocy; support RMS - LinuxReviews [23:29] schestowitz by Chaekyung [23:29] Ariadne i am not capable of supporting RMS, only offering extreme neutrality [23:30] Ariadne but i have my own personal grievances [23:30] Ariadne putting the dotGNU sabotage aside [23:31] CrystalMath reaching 2,000 soon: https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ [23:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rms-support-letter.github.io | An open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman | An open letter in support of RMS. [23:31] psymin it is understandable to have personal grievances [23:31] psymin I have some strong personal grievances against a few folks. [23:31] Ariadne i could still not support support him because i have not seen any evidence that he has resolved his anger issues [23:31] CrystalMath Ariadne: well, at least i have, i think [23:31] psymin None of us are "without sin". [23:31] CrystalMath wait, does Ariadne have me on ignore now? [23:31] Ariadne CrystalMath: you're supposed to have me on /ignore [23:31] CrystalMath i forgot [23:31] MinceR :> [23:31] CrystalMath oh... the opposite [23:32] CrystalMath dammit [23:32] CrystalMath no i don't really use /ignore [23:32] CrystalMath i was rightfully angry about attempting to shut down techrights [23:32] Ariadne psymin: i am definitely one of the people RMS told schestowitz that have legitimate grievances [23:33] Ariadne CrystalMath: being techrights sysadmin is highly stressful [23:33] Ariadne trust me, i would rather not :) [23:33] psymin I'm sure it is a high-profile position that attracts a lot of negative attention from the outrage mob. [23:33] DaemonFC[m] https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB1eXRAP.img [23:34] Ariadne well it is more that sometimes the site takes positions that are the opposite of my own :) [23:34] *polezaivsani has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [23:34] Ariadne which is fine [23:34] Ariadne but on certain topics, it is not nice to constantly be reminded of that inconsistency [23:34] CrystalMath i kinda forgot what the trouble was on that day [23:34] CrystalMath Old_Man was talking about.... err... rms? [23:34] Ariadne it is also not nice to be told about qanon dog whistles [23:34] Ariadne CrystalMath: no [23:35] Ariadne CrystalMath: nothing to do with rms [23:35] psymin Have you seen the HBO documentary about that? :D [23:35] CrystalMath yeah it's gone from my mind.... [23:35] CrystalMath RMS overwrote most of it [23:35] CrystalMath i don't even remember what project i had in mind [23:35] psymin I guess some drama has a positive side effect [23:35] CrystalMath that i was going to do [23:35] Ariadne CrystalMath: anyway i did initially sign the fuck RMS petition, but i am considering backing out of that [23:35] CrystalMath Ariadne: i signed the pro RMS petition [23:36] Ariadne i support your right to do so [23:36] psymin ^ [23:36] CrystalMath along with what looks like a long list of people of mine and related nationalities [23:36] XFaCE sure, I never said you couldn't [23:36] CrystalMath there's qite a few serbian people, and LOTS of russians on that list [23:36] XFaCE but I will call out your principals [23:36] Ariadne and i understand why you would want to do so [23:37] psymin It has been great to be a part of this conversation, but I have to take off now. Thanks :) [23:37] Ariadne XFaCE: my principles are that i like to support the people i mentored in GNU and the petition is meaningless anyway [23:37] XFaCE The petition isn't meaningless. the scope and size has seen to that [23:37] XFaCE and we have plenty of examples of mob tactics of late to show the harm that comes from these things [23:37] Ariadne really? RMS still seems to be an executive director at FSF [23:37] XFaCE yeah, but it chills regular people into silence [23:38] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:38] XFaCE because they'll see a massive mob campaign [23:38] XFaCE it chills speech, period [23:38] schestowitz [23:31] reaching 2,000 soon: https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ [23:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rms-support-letter.github.io | An open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman | An open letter in support of RMS. [23:38] Ariadne XFaCE: that is partially why i reconsider [23:38] schestowitz I too would reign if it was not github [23:38] schestowitz and I know others who say the same [23:39] XFaCE Ariadne: imo it shouldn't be a partial reason [23:39] XFaCE it should be the reason [23:39] Ariadne XFaCE: i was reading the debian GR and there were people who said they agreed in principle that they did not like FSF, but that they felt their speech was squashed by this [23:39] XFaCE it's common sense [23:39] XFaCE Yes, but why didn't this occur to you at the beginning? [23:39] Ariadne it did [23:39] XFaCE Sorry to hammer this point over and over [23:39] CrystalMath schestowitz: i started up firefox for my GNU/lord and GNU/savior [23:39] CrystalMath because i would take a bullet for him [23:39] schestowitz [23:34] well it is more that sometimes the site takes positions that are the opposite of my own :) [23:39] schestowitz This is normal [23:39] schestowitz but all in all we likely agree on very many things [23:40] Ariadne schestowitz: yes well, on that One Specific Topic, it was becoming a Problem [23:40] schestowitz I don't agree with FSF on some stuff [23:40] CrystalMath Ariadne: RMS is not the ED of the FSF, he's a board *member* [23:40] CrystalMath that's all he is [23:40] schestowitz e.g. techrights.org/2014/03/25/uefi-secure-boot-and-fsf/ [23:40] Ariadne CrystalMath: oh ok [23:40] Ariadne CrystalMath: well he is still on the board [23:40] Ariadne so the petition has not succeeded in achieving its objective [23:41] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2014/03/25/uefi-secure-boot-and-fsf/ [23:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | My Disagreement With the FSF Over UEFI Secure Boot | Techrights [23:41] XFaCE >IT IS NOT often that I get to say this, but I disagree with the FSFs decision to grant Matthew Garrett an award for work on UEFI. [23:41] XFaCE schestowitz: he seems greatful eh [23:41] schestowitz I also strongly disagree with RMS about some of the things he wrote a decade ago about the Dutch pedo people [23:41] schestowitz "party" [23:41] Ariadne XFaCE: so anyway, i have friends in Debian who feel intimidated by this process [23:41] schestowitz the views he expressed, however, were not illegal [23:41] CrystalMath schestowitz: https://codeberg.org/rms-support-letter/rms-support-letter/issues/1 [23:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-#1 - Make a comment here if you want to be added without a github account - rms-support-letter - Codeberg.org [23:41] CrystalMath a non-github place to be added to the pro-RMS petition [23:41] schestowitz I was also shown why he was 'conned' into making those statements [23:41] Ariadne so now, it is "support friends in GNU who signed" vs "support friends in Debian who feel intimidated" [23:41] schestowitz it was some GNU person [23:42] XFaCE Ariadne: yes, and this was bound to happen [23:42] CrystalMath schestowitz: the github people are contacted with your name, but there will be a delay [23:42] XFaCE every single time with mob tactics [23:42] Ariadne XFaCE: indeed [23:42] CrystalMath schestowitz: you can sign [23:42] schestowitz CrystalMath: let me check the codeberg one.. [23:42] schestowitz rianne also RealLY wanted to sign [23:42] XFaCE Ariadne: for some reason though, I could see where this was definitely headed and you didn't believe until you saw the people actually being affected [23:42] XFaCE or you discounted the possibility [23:42] XFaCE whatever the reason [23:43] Ariadne XFaCE: i don't really make decisions based on where things are "headed" [23:43] schestowitz I'd to sign in [23:43] Ariadne XFaCE: i make decisions based on what feels right at that moment [23:43] schestowitz and then I might get listed on a Microsoft page [23:43] schestowitz [23:41] so now, it is "support friends in GNU who signed" vs "support friends in Debian who feel intimidated" [23:44] schestowitz some people conflate that with "safety" [23:44] XFaCE Ariadne: then that's a character flaw, IMO [23:44] XFaCE if you have to engage in self-defence against a burgler [23:44] schestowitz a word that some people ingeniously redefined [23:44] XFaCE fine [23:44] Ariadne XFaCE: i am very much a human being [23:44] schestowitz like being afraid of being refuted is about "safety" [23:44] XFaCE Ariadne: But I think you are a better human being than that [23:44] XFaCE because I'm a better human being than that, and I'm flawed piece of shit [23:45] Ariadne XFaCE: i like to support my friends when they want to express their speech [23:45] Ariadne but now it is a crossroads [23:45] XFaCE Then you should ask what kind of friends they really are [23:45] schestowitz if signing up and signing in the comments there would have me listed in a github page, it would sent the wrong message [23:45] schestowitz it would not say where I signed it [23:46] schestowitz I already got in trouble at work for asking people to not compel others to touch github [23:46] *schestowitz checks RSS feeds... items about FSF and RMS have dried up [23:47] schestowitz A new "board process" at the FSF http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149204#comment-28823 [23:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Preliminary board statement on FSF governance | Tux Machines [23:47] Ariadne XFaCE: they are excellent friends who are committed to sftware freedom [23:47] schestowitz this responds to the KDE and others [23:47] schestowitz with more reasonable requests to FSF [23:47] XFaCE Ariadne: they need to rethink some of their principles [23:47] Ariadne they do not [23:47] schestowitz LibreOffice became OSI board member using the TDF site [23:47] XFaCE they do [23:47] schestowitz without stating he works at OSI [23:47] XFaCE because their actions do not show good principles [23:47] schestowitz Italo [23:48] XFaCE they may have good intentions, but good intentions is a poor reason for bad actions [23:48] schestowitz I've know Ariadne for ages online [23:48] schestowitz she's a good person, pulled from several directions [23:48] schestowitz like colleagues pained by experiences with RMS and others [23:48] XFaCE I'm sure you have Roy, and I've talked with her in DMs, she has a good character despite being flawed just like any of us [23:49] Ariadne yes, i am one of the few people that everyone is willing to work with [23:49] Ariadne even RMS [23:49] schestowitz you can't please everyone [23:49] Ariadne although the odds of a collaboration are admittedly unlikely [23:49] Ariadne the last one being a bit cancelled [23:49] Ariadne as the kids say [23:49] schestowitz I try not to comment on things that cause feuds, diplomatically it's better to focus on common/shared threats [23:49] schestowitz infighting happens a lot this week [23:49] schestowitz so I decided to not touch the subject until Sunday [23:49] XFaCE I wouldn't call this infighting but just a disagreement [23:50] XFaCE I'm not going to report Ariadne to the gulag [23:50] schestowitz it got worse [23:50] schestowitz maybe you did not see it [23:50] schestowitz lots of name-calling [23:50] XFaCE As expected. These people have a lot of immaturity [23:50] schestowitz social control media makes it WORSE [23:50] schestowitz MUCH worse [23:50] schestowitz people post libel [23:50] schestowitz or repost it [23:50] XFaCE It's a dopamine hit [23:50] schestowitz linking to news that says things like "Epstein defender" [23:50] schestowitz which RMS is NOT! [23:51] XFaCE a feedback loop [23:51] schestowitz yeah [23:51] Ariadne agree that RMS is not epstein defender [23:51] schestowitz no fact-checking in so-called media, either.. [23:51] Ariadne i have the original receipts [23:51] XFaCE I quit social media long ago [23:51] schestowitz I quit last year [23:51] schestowitz Twitter [23:51] XFaCE Even free software ones [23:51] schestowitz I stopped reading replies there, too [23:51] XFaCE The world does not need more twitters [23:51] schestowitz far too toxic in sites like MINDS [23:51] schestowitz unless you like hanging in a mental ward [23:52] XFaCE It seems there's a renaissance in forums, im, and personal websites [23:52] XFaCE and I welcome that change [23:52] schestowitz yeah [23:52] schestowitz we try to encourage that [23:52] schestowitz RSS [23:52] XFaCE RSS is one of the most underrated things [23:52] schestowitz blogs take WORK [23:52] schestowitz lots of work [23:52] schestowitz not broken sentences and mind farts in tweets [23:52] XFaCE I know that very well lol [23:52] schestowitz 1MB Web pages as "tweets" [23:52] XFaCE Remember we worked together [23:52] schestowitz yeah, it was great [23:53] schestowitz we also used our wiki to edit collaboratively [23:53] schestowitz we still have those history-logged in the wiki [23:53] Ariadne anyway this whole thing will blow over [23:53] XFaCE It makes me happy to hear you say that... sometimes it's hard to gauge appreciation from a position of shyness [23:53] XFaCE and immaturity [23:53] schestowitz here: http://techrights.org/wiki/Work_in_Progress [23:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Work in Progress - Techrights [23:53] schestowitz you're listed a lot ther [23:54] schestowitz LOL. 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[23:54] schestowitz people can see the typos and stuff in the change logs [23:54] Ariadne i'm still salty about RMS undermining PNET :) [23:54] schestowitz Ariadne: the momentum was lost tonight, tomorrow it'll be crumbs and weekend likely nothing [23:54] Ariadne the FSF could have cut mono off *and* given people an excellent programming language [23:55] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=Apple_hypePad_and_DRM_Failure&action=history [23:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Revision history of "Apple hypePad and DRM Failure" - Techrights [23:55] Ariadne but noooooooooooooo [23:55] XFaCE I for one do not lament the loss of C# [23:55] schestowitz Ariadne: c# was a vendor capture issue [23:55] schestowitz like ooxml was [23:55] XFaCE like ooxml [23:55] XFaCE ha [23:55] schestowitz you don't want gnu/linxu toolchain to be chasing microsoft [23:56] XFaCE which has been libreoffice's issue for years [23:56] schestowitz re ooxml [23:56] Ariadne schestowitz: true, i was more naive back then [23:56] schestowitz many things became web-based [23:56] XFaCE and now with that new excel programming language [23:56] schestowitz hence in many contexts ooxml became obsolete [23:56] auctus so i find it super ironic that this channel is publicly logged, with no disclosure to the user on join, no opt out, no privacy policy on the site [23:56] XFaCE yet another tail to chase [23:56] schestowitz and microsoft rebrands office as "clown" [23:56] auctus just realized that yesterday when the log link was posted here [23:56] Ariadne auctus: it used to be in topic [23:56] auctus it aint now :p [23:57] Ariadne schestowitz: at this point C# is fully free software with a patent grant [23:57] *schestowitz has changed the topic to: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell [logged online] [23:57] schestowitz auctus: thanks for reminding me [23:57] Ariadne maybe it can make a comeback [23:57] schestowitz someone pointed it out last yeatr [23:58] Ariadne at this point i dont cae [23:58] Ariadne because i have moved on [23:58] schestowitz Ariadne: because they were losing [23:58] schestowitz it's easy to give it away when you come from behind [23:58] XFaCE I remember when C# was J++ [23:58] schestowitz java ripoff all along [23:59] Ariadne schestowitz: yes, but java sucks a lot harder than C# [23:59] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Bill_Gates_Deposition [23:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bill Gates Deposition - Techrights [23:59] Ariadne i think of C# more as "Java done right" [23:59] schestowitz lots of good stuff there about java [23:59] schestowitz bill swaying like a bird when asked about java [23:59] schestowitz and then presented with incriminating emails of his [23:59] Ariadne but anyway [23:59] schestowitz Ariadne: right for Microsoft :-)