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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I get those neighbors everywhere, but the worst were in Chicago.Aug 25 00:15
DaemonFC[m]MinceR How would you vote on a Progressive Tax in the middle of this?Aug 25 00:30
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯Aug 25 00:30
DaemonFC[m]I'm trying to decide if it will do more good or harm.Aug 25 00:31
DaemonFC[m]37 other states have them, and they're still there I guess.Aug 25 00:31
DaemonFC[m]The Republicans are screaming the sky will fall in, but it mainly hits people making high six figure incomes or more.Aug 25 00:32
DaemonFC[m]The Black Chamber of Commerce hates it. Why is there a separate Chamber of Commerce for black people?Aug 25 00:32
DaemonFC[m]97% of taxpayers would get a tax cut, but only an average of about $1 per week.Aug 25 00:33
MinceRCamera ObscuraAug 25 00:33
DaemonFC[m]On the flip side, the Governor says if it doesn't pass, he'll recommend an increase in the flat tax of over 25%, then everyone gets hurt, or spending cuts that goes after health, education, and first responders.Aug 25 00:34
DaemonFC[m]On balance, I'm leaning towards voting for the amendment.Aug 25 00:35
DaemonFC[m]It seems a 25% tax hike or a cut to public services would really hurt us, but I'm not really expecting much of a tax break.Aug 25 00:35
DaemonFC[m]It seems that everything that aims to make government live within its means just results in bigger deficits as they keep spending anyway and borrow at higher interest rates.Aug 25 00:37
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I was asked to fill out a survey by the Cook County health department about COVID-19.Aug 25 02:05
DaemonFC[m]It asked if I had heard anything false about COVID-19.Aug 25 02:05
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DaemonFC[m]Most of the information out there about COVID-19 is false.Aug 25 02:08
DaemonFC[m]Especially if it comes from the US federal government. Aug 25 02:08
DaemonFC[m]Trump will straight up let someone pitch homeopathic remedies at one of his pressers in exchange for a big campaign contribution.Aug 25 02:08
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DaemonFC[m]The doctor gave me some bactrim.Aug 25 03:03
DaemonFC[m] 25 03:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | LHC creates matter from light | symmetry magazineAug 25 03:17
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DaemonFC[m]Red Dwarf has Rimmer converted to a hard light hologram in a 1994 episode iirc.Aug 25 03:20
schestowitz> FreeBSD will no longer port pypy?  That is bogus.  Some people want andAug 25 03:43
schestowitz> need python 2.x.  Not only that, but pypy also supports some versions ofAug 25 03:43
schestowitz> 3.X.  Something smells bad here.Aug 25 03:43
schestowitz[02:07] * DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: 20200824_180130.jpg (1864KiB) < >Aug 25 03:44
schestowitzLOL, niceAug 25 03:44
schestowitzWorking From Home (Lock-Down) 25 03:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Working From Home (Lock-Down)Aug 25 03:48
schestowitzEat Out, Help Out yesterday...Aug 25 03:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Eat Out, Help OutAug 25 03:48
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DaemonFC[m]Half of Republicans (57%) in a recent CBS News poll said that the COVID-19 death count in America is acceptable no matter how bad it gets.Aug 25 04:52
schestowitzWHat do they care?Aug 25 04:59
schestowitzWeeks ago they called to reopen schoolsAug 25 04:59
schestowitzwhile applying diff. standards for their own conventionsAug 25 04:59
schestowitzso only their own lives matter to themAug 25 04:59
schestowitzthe rest? "THE eCONOMyyyy!"Aug 25 04:59
schestowitzAriadne: I am making full backups of uploads and dBs at the momentAug 25 05:03
schestowitzI assume RAID is our only contingency as no offsite backups other than oursAug 25 05:03
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I wear triple layer cotton masks now.Aug 25 05:18
DaemonFC[m]I wash them as soon as I get home in hot water and laundry soap and then rinse them thoroughly and hang them to dry.Aug 25 05:19
schestowitzneed htop  sound alertsAug 25 05:23
schestowitzdoes anyone know how to generate those?Aug 25 05:23
schestowitzin konsole I can trigger alerts based on textAug 25 05:24
schestowitzbut the feature isn't rich enoughAug 25 05:24
schestowitzmostly limited to system bell eventsAug 25 05:26
schestowitzI don't want to install something like nagios just for thatAug 25 05:29
schestowitzsystem notification would doAug 25 05:29
schestowitzor maybe something that's drawn on the terminal to get special attentionAug 25 05:29
schestowitzthat's for monitoring the sitesAug 25 05:29
schestowitzthese only are useful if you watch them all the time or very often 25 05:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | System Monitoring Processes Using Htop CommandAug 25 05:31
schestowitzif only I could output events to a file I could script something to send out eventsAug 25 05:31
schestowitzsuppose I could write out cpu/process to some html fileAug 25 05:32
schestowitzand then process that remotelyAug 25 05:32
schestowitzbut seems inefficientAug 25 05:32
schestowitzalso a strain on apacheAug 25 05:33
schestowitzroy@vonick:~$ cat /proc/loadavg  > /home/roy/blah.htmlAug 25 05:34
schestowitzroy@vonick:~$ cat  /home/roy/blah.htmlAug 25 05:34
schestowitz1.32 0.99 1.15 4/775 23073Aug 25 05:34
schestowitzdon't want to install a whole monitoring package for something so simpleAug 25 05:35
DaemonFC[m]I might buy a Kubuntu Focus laptop or something like that next time if they have a current model.Aug 25 05:36
schestowitzthose are expensiveAug 25 05:37
schestowitzsomeone must have done a script like that already Aug 25 05:39
schestowitzchecking..Aug 25 05:39
schestowitz 25 05:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | indicator sound - Generate alert on high CPU usage - Ask UbuntuAug 25 05:40
schestowitzbut they suggest installing bloat like monitAug 25 05:40
schestowitzmen. forget about it, I'll just use visual alertsAug 25 05:42
schestowitzbut maybe I can zoom parts of the terminalAug 25 05:42
schestowitzthere must be a way/trickAug 25 05:43
schestowitzI think I found a wayAug 25 05:46
schestowitzlimit htop to about 15 columnsAug 25 05:47
schestowitzwith massive fontsAug 25 05:47
schestowitzand the colours are the alertsAug 25 05:47
schestowitzmaybe I can associate colours with konsole soundsAug 25 05:49
schestowitzthat would be idealAug 25 05:49
schestowitzhigh load to generate unix/linux system bell not something I can find implemented alreadyAug 25 05:55
schestowitzodd...Aug 25 05:55
schestowitz 25 05:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | monitoring - htop with web interface - Stack OverflowAug 25 05:58
kingoffrancethats a stupid little script, havent used 25 06:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bash-Scripts/ at master · asheeshr/Bash-Scripts · GitHubAug 25 06:00
kingoffrancehe does "echo "Loading configuration file""    after loading it :/Aug 25 06:02
kingoffranceso i would move that :)Aug 25 06:02
schestowitzI saw that one..Aug 25 06:14
schestowitzit generates the sound on the local machineAug 25 06:15
schestowitznot remoteAug 25 06:15
schestowitzkonsole it limited in what sorts of events it can use to trigger audioAug 25 06:15
schestowitzabout 6 times of eventsAug 25 06:15
schestowitzmostly with system bell (on remote/local) as trigger/eventAug 25 06:16
schestowitzI can't find for top or htop any toll that would add system bell for some thresholdsAug 25 06:16
schestowitz 25 06:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Join us for OSI's first State of the Source Summit! | Open Source InitiativeAug 25 06:17
schestowitz"We want to thank our supporters of this event, without whom this endeavor would have been far more challenging! Our amazing sponsors for the State of the Source Summit include RedHat, Indeed, Eclipse Foundation, Bloomberg, XWiki, Zup, Bitergia, Command Prompt, Salesforce, LexPan Law, Blindside Networks/BigBlueButton, and DigitalOcean.  "Aug 25 06:17
schestowitzI doubt Microsoft/GitHub tried and they said "no!"Aug 25 06:18
schestowitzas they already accept money from those crooksAug 25 06:18
schestowitzand saying "no" might upset that other revenue source of OSIAug 25 06:18
kingoffrancei dunno network audio system/esound ...what do ppl use nowadays?  thats ghetto i know ...Aug 25 06:21
kingoffrancepipe it over ssh perhaps :/Aug 25 06:21
kingoffrancessh "control master" lets you re-use connections, but if it hangs it tends to hang all your connections IMEAug 25 06:22
kingoffrancei dunno, cant you just touch a file on the server somewhere, and then the "client" notices it exists and plays a sound?Aug 25 06:23
kingoffrancethat means the client has to "poll" of courseAug 25 06:23
kingoffranceso it has the downside that both "sides" are "polling"Aug 25 06:24
kingoffranceor is that what yuo meant by the html thing :)Aug 25 06:24
kingoffrancethat the client could "poll" thatAug 25 06:25
kingoffrance(over http[s])Aug 25 06:25
schestowitz[06:21] <kingoffrance> pipe it over ssh perhaps :/Aug 25 06:30
schestowitzI thought about it, but huge overheadAug 25 06:30
schestowitzif you want to monitor with seconds-apart samplesAug 25 06:30
schestowitz[06:22] <kingoffrance> ssh "control master" lets you re-use connections, but if it hangs it tends to hang all your connections IMEAug 25 06:31
schestowitzI resuse connections over ssh for file listing in dolphinAug 25 06:31
schestowitzbut maybe once an hourAug 25 06:31
schestowitz*reuseAug 25 06:31
schestowitz[06:24] <kingoffrance> or is that what yuo meant by the html thing :)Aug 25 06:31
schestowitzit would be easy to toss something into an html file or text file every few secondsAug 25 06:32
schestowitzand cheap cpu-wiseAug 25 06:32
schestowitzbut then you need to create an http/s request every x secondsAug 25 06:32
schestowitzso trasport layel doesn't need full encryptionAug 25 06:32
schestowitzall it sends is a single digitAug 25 06:32
kingoffranceok, glad i am not way off baes then sorry if i dont helpAug 25 06:32
schestowitzyou could even curl/wget itAug 25 06:33
schestowitzthen process, issue system alertAug 25 06:33
schestowitzworse case: nagiosAug 25 06:33
schestowitzmassive system for something very, very simpleAug 25 06:33
schestowitzwe never need to monitor ramAug 25 06:33
schestowitzdisk space we monitor once a day by sending out emails to two peopleAug 25 06:33
schestowitzanother person has a raspi set for alerts with sounds and ledAug 25 06:34
schestowitzbut I don't have thatAug 25 06:34
schestowitzhe wants to build me a rapi like hisAug 25 06:34
schestowitzbut it's expensiveAug 25 06:34
schestowitzand I can make something simpler, without making http connections and pollingAug 25 06:34
schestowitzbut you know the itch-scratch thingAug 25 06:36
schestowitzyou'd assume someone had the same problem alreadyAug 25 06:36
schestowitzand that you can find an easy solutionAug 25 06:36
schestowitzkonsole can highlight in real time, based on contents, some textAug 25 06:37
schestowitze.g. highlight in red some "hot" processes that pose a riskAug 25 06:37
schestowitzbut it cannot generate sound alerts for theseAug 25 06:37
schestowitzhtop has colour built in, amber, red and greenAug 25 06:37
schestowitzI partly use thatAug 25 06:38
schestowitzin htop you have "|"Aug 25 06:39
schestowitzdenoting load unitAug 25 06:39
schestowitzso in konsole you can search for consecutive ones, then add highlight on top of highlightAug 25 06:39
schestowitzbut... it would be nice if sounds too could be added to "match found"Aug 25 06:39
schestowitzin kde4/qt4 kate lacks some of the plasma5/qt5 kateAug 25 06:40
schestowitzoops, I mean konsole, not kateAug 25 06:40
schestowitzAriadne suggested installing a monitoring system with a web-based panelAug 25 06:42
schestowitzwe have ntop installedAug 25 06:42
schestowitzbut not running, as it's a resource hogAug 25 06:42
schestowitzand potential security riskAug 25 06:42
schestowitzhardly any documention online re Konsole notificationsAug 25 06:43
schestowitzexcept 25 06:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Konsole notifications : kdeAug 25 06:43
schestowitzsleep 3 && echo -e "\a"Aug 25 06:45
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I think that the race to get the economy functioning again will override all other priorities. So there's no telling what the vaccine will actually do to people or even if it works at all.Aug 25 06:56
DaemonFC[m]They could just do another emergency use authorization and start injecting people with god knows what based on flawed studies with not enough people or a control group.Aug 25 06:56
DaemonFC[m]They already did this with plasma and remdesivir.Aug 25 06:57
DaemonFC[m]That's what Russia is doing.Aug 25 06:57
schestowitzIndia is testing a lotAug 25 06:57
schestowitza million a dayAug 25 06:57
DaemonFC[m]This will be seen as a race to who can get running again because each country will figure it's like World War 2 again.Aug 25 06:58
DaemonFC[m]Europe's in ruins, the US was relatively unscathed. Aug 25 06:58
schestowitzUS 700,000Aug 25 06:58
DaemonFC[m]The US economy led the world for decades.Aug 25 06:58
schestowitzbetween sunday and saturdayAug 25 06:58
schestowitzyou could compare to historical dataAug 25 06:58
DaemonFC[m]What the United States needs is a hard reboot.Aug 25 06:58
schestowitzin brazil about 1 in 4 comes out positiveAug 25 06:59
DaemonFC[m]Cut China off and decree that there will be more manufacturing here.Aug 25 06:59
schestowitzso whatever the longterm effect symptoms, brazilians will have themAug 25 06:59
schestowitzzika 3.0Aug 25 06:59
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: no, that would not workAug 25 06:59
DaemonFC[m]This bullshit about walls and Mexicans is just something ridiculous that my parents think is a quick and cheap fix, which is really just more blame shifting.Aug 25 06:59
schestowitzit harms the poorestAug 25 06:59
schestowitzwho are already poorAug 25 07:00
DaemonFC[m]You can't have a robust economy without lots of industry.Aug 25 07:00
schestowitzthey can't buy a $30 pair of jeansAug 25 07:00
schestowitzyou became addicted to "cheap things"Aug 25 07:00
schestowitzand the wages dropped Aug 25 07:00
schestowitzaccordinglyAug 25 07:00
DaemonFC[m]There will be more jobs, higher wages, and they will afford nice things again.Aug 25 07:00
schestowitzdrive up prices and there's social/economic breakdownAug 25 07:00
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: as if bezos and others would raise salariesAug 25 07:01
schestowitzover their dead bodiesAug 25 07:01
DaemonFC[m]In Illinois, the minimum wage is still going up.Aug 25 07:01
schestowitzgood luck buying those $5 forksAug 25 07:01
DaemonFC[m]On the way to $15 an hour.Aug 25 07:01
schestowitzservicesAug 25 07:01
DaemonFC[m]The voting was over in <1 minute. No Republican votes. Didn't matter.Aug 25 07:01
DaemonFC[m]I've been trying to form a better opinion of the Progressive Tax.Aug 25 07:02
DaemonFC[m]I think I am going to vote for it.Aug 25 07:02
schestowitzboycotting imports would not workAug 25 07:02
schestowitzit would, immediately, hit the poor hardestAug 25 07:02
schestowitzbefore you even make jobs for anyAug 25 07:02
DaemonFC[m]I think that the most compelling argument for Progressive Tax is that it's actually in force in 37 states.Aug 25 07:03
DaemonFC[m]There's only like 9 left with a flat tax.Aug 25 07:03
DaemonFC[m]Illinois getting rid of it makes 8.Aug 25 07:03
schestowitzcan't find a way to make qupzilla have automatic reload of tabsAug 25 07:03
schestowitzmaybe i need scriptmonkey with some jsAug 25 07:03
DaemonFC[m]Unless Mandy finds some way to make $260,000 a year at Walmart, it's not really an us problem.Aug 25 07:04
DaemonFC[m]But.....Aug 25 07:04
DaemonFC[m]A 15% cut to health, education, and public safety isn't something I want to live with.Aug 25 07:04
schestowitzcut militaryAug 25 07:05
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: This is the second time I've been presented with a constitutional amendment.Aug 25 07:06
DaemonFC[m]I've never liked flat tax ideas.Aug 25 07:07
DaemonFC[m]Billionaires like them.Aug 25 07:07
schestowitzthey lobby for themAug 25 07:07
DaemonFC[m]The richer you are the lesser that income taxes affect you, because you can make whatever you want and the percentage stays the same.Aug 25 07:07
schestowitzthey set themAug 25 07:07
schestowitzthey impose theseAug 25 07:07
schestowitzand they evade the taxAug 25 07:08
schestowitze.g. using fake 'charities'Aug 25 07:08
schestowitzhow about you make 100 million US charities?Aug 25 07:08
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: In theory, if we approve the amendment, Microsoft has to pay the state more taxes.Aug 25 07:08
schestowitzone for each family?Aug 25 07:08
DaemonFC[m]They do pay a corporate tax to the state based on their operations in Illinois.Aug 25 07:08
schestowitzthey pay from renoAug 25 07:08
schestowitzthey just funnel it from the state that suits them bestAug 25 07:09
DaemonFC[m]Chicago has a Cloud Tax.Aug 25 07:09
schestowitzand bribe the politicians there to keep it that wayAug 25 07:09
schestowitzclown taxAug 25 07:09
DaemonFC[m]They issued a regulation interpreting their 9% amusement tax to Hulu and Netflix. Aug 25 07:09
schestowitzlet's redefine servers as clowns..Aug 25 07:09
schestowitzfalkon also... no way to autorefresh, not built in anywayAug 25 07:10
schestowitzff, chrom* and opera have thatAug 25 07:10
DaemonFC[m]I use Vivaldi now.Aug 25 07:10
schestowitzalso no shrotcuts for reload all windows, nor tabsAug 25 07:11
schestowitzcongrats, you use a proprietary software POSAug 25 07:11
schestowitzother than coding a patch one thing I can do is eitherAug 25 07:14
schestowitz1) use x tools to press it with cursor periodicallyAug 25 07:15
schestowitzor 2) shut those windows and reopen them using a scriptAug 25 07:15
schestowitzinstead of freshingAug 25 07:15
schestowitzrefreshingAug 25 07:15
schestowitzlet me try (2)Aug 25 07:15
DaemonFC[m] 25 07:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Apple Store Employees - Furloughs - post regarding Apple Inc. layoffsAug 25 07:17
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Apple laying off some store employees by not calling them back.Aug 25 07:17
DaemonFC[m]One says his store had 20% less employees when it reopened and they won't say where they went.Aug 25 07:18
schestowitzdoneAug 25 07:23
kingoffrance   quote: In short, Deluard says, the “disturbing reality” is that we are now investing in a world in which what is good for the economy is bad for equities. “The stock market rally is conditioned upon… ever lower rates… and Gargantuan liquidity injections by central banks. In other words, the continuation of the buAug 25 07:23
kingoffrancell market requires depression-like economic conditions.”             people have been saying that for ever, but that looks like a "mainstream"-ish sourceAug 25 07:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How Is the Stock Market Doing? The ‘Disturbing Reality’ Fueling This Bull Market - MarketWatchAug 25 07:23
schestowitzqupzilla has a -ow optionAug 25 07:23
schestowitzfor open new windowAug 25 07:23
schestowitzso now it's looping in a bash scriptAug 25 07:23
schestowitzhad to parallelise theseAug 25 07:25
schestowitznow it works, testing ok so farAug 25 07:25
kingoffrancewhat was that you were saying other day daemon, 90% of fortune 500 "value" is intellectual property?Aug 25 07:25
kingoffrancethe rest is liquidity injections i supposeAug 25 07:26
schestowitzyeahAug 25 07:26
schestowitzit's s real problemAug 25 07:26
schestowitzimaginary assetsAug 25 07:26
schestowitzand shuffling money aroundAug 25 07:26
schestowitzbased on false suppositionsAug 25 07:26
schestowitzMIicrosoft paid lots for a loss-making githubAug 25 07:26
schestowitzbecause 'HEY PEE'Aug 25 07:26
schestowitzand 'network effect'Aug 25 07:26
schestowitzwhether they have a long-term plan I don't knowAug 25 07:27
schestowitzif they squeeze they will become another sourceforgeAug 25 07:27
schestowitzbut first they wanted to just grab itAug 25 07:27
schestowitzmaybe they will 'shake down' later down the roadAug 25 07:27
DaemonFC[m]How did Sourceforge empty out anyway?Aug 25 07:27
DaemonFC[m]I know about the malware scandals.Aug 25 07:27
schestowitzsome companies like COLA COLA value themselves based on BRANDAug 25 07:27
schestowitzyes, brandAug 25 07:27
schestowitzpeople know our nameAug 25 07:27
schestowitz=== moneyAug 25 07:27
schestowitzhow much...Aug 25 07:27
schestowitzhmmm... 100,000,000,000?Aug 25 07:28
schestowitzMaybe more?Aug 25 07:28
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Suddenly, everyone has Pepsi on sale.Aug 25 07:28
schestowitzBecause... trademarkAug 25 07:28
DaemonFC[m]At a price I haven't seen since around 2001 maybe.Aug 25 07:28
DaemonFC[m]They're having a hard time selling it.Aug 25 07:28
schestowitzthey sell it for the REAL price nowAug 25 07:28
schestowitznot selling "lifestyle"Aug 25 07:28
schestowitzand association, or stausAug 25 07:28
schestowitzthese cost very little to makeAug 25 07:28
schestowitzpeople would be better off drinking waterAug 25 07:29
schestowitzthe ones in aldi are cheapAug 25 07:29
schestowitzyou could even melt some sugar into that waterAug 25 07:29
schestowitzI make tea myselfAug 25 07:29
schestowitzvery cheap, nice tasteAug 25 07:29
schestowitzwater, kettle, no sugar, thank youAug 25 07:29
schestowitzyou can reuse tea bags once or twiceAug 25 07:29
schestowitzand they cost a penny each, almostAug 25 07:29
schestowitzthe real cost then became a few kw per hour and waterAug 25 07:30
schestowitzmmmuch healthier than pepsi/cokeAug 25 07:30
DaemonFC[m]I mainly just drink filtered tap water.Aug 25 07:30
DaemonFC[m]Tastes as good as Maricel's truck water.Aug 25 07:31
DaemonFC[m]Probably good that I like water anyway. Apparently, this Bactrim stuff can give you kidney stones if you don't drink enough fluids.Aug 25 07:31
DaemonFC[m]That's just what would make this year perfect.Aug 25 07:32
DaemonFC[m]Criminal charges, beaten. Immigration progress. Bankruptcy? Been there, done that. Staph infection.....Check.Aug 25 07:32
DaemonFC[m]How about some stones?Aug 25 07:33
DaemonFC[m]Thanks God. I always wondered what you meant by stone the people who stop believing in you. Aug 25 07:33
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I liked that episode of South Park where Kyle has an infected hemorrhoid and Cartman inherits a million dollars and buys a theme park. Aug 25 07:34
DaemonFC[m]Kyle's in the hospital in agony and loses his faith, so his parents read him the story of Job, and in the end, Job lost everything. His family was killed. His property is gone. He's been covered in boils and stricken with all sorts of ailments.Aug 25 07:38
DaemonFC[m]Which doesn't help their case for why he should keep believing, of course.Aug 25 07:38
DaemonFC[m]There's a lot of crazy shit in the bible. One of the points I took from it is "Wow. This guy was one of God's most devout followers and God did THAT to him!".Aug 25 07:39
DaemonFC[m]Of course, the Abrahamic religions don't really agree on everything that happened there either. Shock.Aug 25 07:41
DaemonFC[m]What's really nutty is that this stuff just survives so long. Like, people believe it because their parents did, and their parents believe it because their parents did.Aug 25 07:42
DaemonFC[m]Even when it's obviously and comically wrong, that's fine. Either they won't actually read it or they'll try to say you "just need to have more faith".Aug 25 07:43
DaemonFC[m]As if that's an answer.Aug 25 07:43
DaemonFC[m]Something you go to for answers that raises 100 questions for every answer is a really pointless exercise.Aug 25 07:43
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel: Coming Up in Linux 5.10 and Bootlin Contributes SquashFS Support to U-Boot []Aug 25 07:48
DaemonFC[m]The virus is a serious problem but it wasn't more deadly then than it is now, and it was always clear that other states were going to sabotage any short term gain made by telling everyone to stay in their homes.Aug 25 07:54
DaemonFC[m]Life has to go on somehow. I was saying "Uh, we need to stop air travel and ban cruise ships entirely...." when it was clear that people were falling ill with some mystery virus in China.Aug 25 07:56
DaemonFC[m]The damage from that is already done now anyway, and a million times worse.Aug 25 07:56
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: They say they're going to let people go on cruises again very soon, like weeks from now.Aug 25 07:57
DaemonFC[m]They'll get out to see and then everyone on the ship will have the virus in a week.Aug 25 07:57
schestowitzsea or seaAug 25 08:00
schestowitzthe holy see will protect themAug 25 08:00
schestowitzthe eye of sauronAug 25 08:00
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jagadees'Senior Facebook Execs Associated Themselves With Narendra Modi Even Before BJP's Victory in 2014'Aug 25 10:15
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schestowitzjagadees: Billy Billness gives him an awardAug 25 10:25
schestowitza bribe to wage the war on wageAug 25 10:25
schestowitzand on cashAug 25 10:26
schestowitzand for outsourcingAug 25 10:26
schestowitzand for vaccine clinical trials on IndiansAug 25 10:26
schestowitzJust to make sure it doesn't screw up on "white people" like Gates, who can get lawyers and sueAug 25 10:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - HadesAug 25 15:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Category:Lists of lists - WikipediaAug 25 16:23
scientesWhat drugs are these people on?Aug 25 16:25
MinceRdoesn't even include itselfAug 25 16:27
scientesMinceR, the linked page actually comments that that is the Bertrand paradoxAug 25 16:27
MinceR:)Aug 25 16:28
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*XRevan86 has decided yesterday that moving to PostgreSQL is worth the effort. So now GNU social has an actual real installation that uses postgres.Aug 25 20:09
XRevan86And freakishly, despite me not tuning it nearly as much as I have MariaDB InnoDB, it works better.Aug 25 20:13
XRevan86Who would've thought (well, obviously, I suspected as much, I did migrate after all).Aug 25 20:14
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DaemonFC[m]The revelation that Falwell Jr. liked to be cuckolded by the pool boy coming out the week of the RNC after Trump's associates were arrested on money laundering and wire fraud while the DNC was going on is just too perfect. Aug 25 20:17
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DaemonFC[m]Oh good. Aug 25 20:36
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DaemonFC[m]WhoopsAug 25 20:41
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DaemonFC[m]Well, the ballots start going out on September 24th according to the Lake County clerk.Aug 25 20:44
DaemonFC[m]Depending on when I receive mine, I'll either mail it back or walk over to the courthouse and drop it off in their lockbox.Aug 25 20:45
DaemonFC[m]I bought a bunch of those Bugs Bunny stamps.Aug 25 20:46
DaemonFC[m]I thought it would be funny to mail my ballot back with a furry in drag on the envelope. Aug 25 20:46
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The survey that I got from the Illinois government asked what I would do if I got a call from a contact tracer at the health department.Aug 25 21:06
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Hang up on them.".Aug 25 21:06
schestowitzdid you see the article?Aug 25 21:06
DaemonFC[m]Which one?Aug 25 21:06
DaemonFC[m]Why would I get tested or start answering questions from the government that I am not obligated to?Aug 25 21:07
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DaemonFC[m]Not only can they not do shit for me if I get it, because there is no treatment, but they'll order me to quarantine myself.Aug 25 21:07
DaemonFC[m]I told them THAT too. Aug 25 21:07
schestowitzsee front page of TRAug 25 21:07
DaemonFC[m]"So I'm not really seeing it as a me problem at that point unless I get so sick I have to go to the hospital."Aug 25 21:07
schestowitzyour replies re covid disinfoAug 25 21:08
DaemonFC[m]I'm just saying what most of us are thinking.Aug 25 21:08
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Did you see SJVN go after the people who claim Linux is insecure? It was a surprisingly good article for ZDNet these days. He specifically took a machete to the nonsense the FBI has been saying. Their campaign to discredit Linux by suggesting that the Drovorub virus is a threat is specifically mentioned as being egregious. Because if you use an unsupported version of a GNU/Linux distribution from 8 yearsAug 25 21:17
DaemonFC[m]ago and the virus gains root, you could be infected. If your IT situation is that bad, you have bigger problems than this.Aug 25 21:17
DaemonFC[m]It's fairly obvious that Microsoft is behind this, because the FBI is also pushing people to give up Windows 7.  It doesn't have as much spyware baked into it as Windows 10, and there are people out there who are perfectly happy to keep running it as a certain forum keeps slipping them EOL updates one at a time, intended for enterprise customers who pay obscene amounts of money.Aug 25 21:18
MinceRmaybe the FBI wants to be able to break into more PCs via the backdoors their friends in redmond gave themAug 25 21:19
DaemonFC[m]I think that as Windows goes, it would likely be less of a nighmare to patch Windows 7 one hole at a time, manually, with EOL updates, than to try to keep Windows 10 going. Aug 25 21:19
DaemonFC[m]That's exactly why people will keep using it until the machines break down and nothing new can run it.Aug 25 21:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - PeasantAug 25 21:21
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DaemonFC[m]Microsoft shuffled everything around after Windows 7 and got rid of the Program Manager behind Windows 7, which was surprisingly stable. The GUI was also definitely their best since Windows 95. But then they went down this route with an incoherent interface that continues to make no sense at all, and Windows 10 is more unstable than Vista. Aug 25 21:22
DaemonFC[m]It's not like you'll hear a lot about that except everyone who uses it knows how bad it is.Aug 25 21:22
MinceRi thought they replaced Program Manager with Explorer in Backdoors 95Aug 25 21:22
DaemonFC[m]Especially if you try to get the graphics card to do anything.Aug 25 21:22
DaemonFC[m]It's a title for a project supervisor.Aug 25 21:23
DaemonFC[m]Actually, there was progman.exe in Windows clear through Me and you could just put it in win.ini as shell=progman.exe instead of explorer.ex, if you wanted to.Aug 25 21:23
DaemonFC[m]Or you could run it on top of Explorer. Aug 25 21:24
DaemonFC[m]Alternative shells were one response to how bad the Windows 98 shell was.Aug 25 21:25
DaemonFC[m]But I just went back to the one from Windows 95 B.Aug 25 21:25
schestowitz[21:17] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: Did you see SJVN go after the people who claim Linux is insecure? It was a surprisingly good article for ZDNet these days. He specifically took a machete to the nonsense the FBI has been saying. Their campaign to discredit Linux by suggesting that the Drovorub virus is a threat is specifically mentioned as being egregious. Because if you use an unsupported version of a GNU/Linux distribution from 8 Aug 25 21:25
schestowitzyearsAug 25 21:25
schestowitzI wrote about it well before himAug 25 21:26
DaemonFC[m]Every time someone wants to introduce a shitty user interface where everything is a random mess of arbitrary insanity, they just claim they ran user studies and people liked it that way.Aug 25 21:26
schestowitzand he works for the worst cuplritAug 25 21:26
DaemonFC[m]GNOME has been insisting this since 2011.Aug 25 21:26
schestowitz*lpritAug 25 21:26
DaemonFC[m]Also, interestingly, you never hear any actual user say they like it better. When there's three control panels, 5 terminals that don't work the same way, and an infiinite number of GUI styles in use at the same time.Aug 25 21:27
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DaemonFC[m]GNOME 2 was apparently the result of user studies done by Sun Microsystems, who were using a version of it for Solaris.Aug 25 21:28
DaemonFC[m]And it worked fine.Aug 25 21:28
DaemonFC[m]I don't really like the fact that they pretend you are going to want to use a PC the way GNOME defaults to, and, in fact, they keep traditional desktop stuff around because RHEL doesn't use the defaults that GNOME says are so good.Aug 25 21:29
DaemonFC[m]It's a post-setup mess. Just about every system has one, but how big it is varies. Aug 25 21:30
MinceRlolAug 25 21:30
MinceRschizophrenic hedratAug 25 21:30
DaemonFC[m]It's so great that we won't even use anything like it ourselves!Aug 25 21:31
DaemonFC[m]It seems to be the default attitude about everything there these days.Aug 25 21:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Dozens Of Coronavirus Cases Spread Across At Least 7 States Linked To Sturgis Motorcycle RallyAug 25 21:32
DaemonFC[m]"40 people so far", yeah, but that's with the contact tracing that they bother to do (almost none) and with people who choose to answer (almost nobody will).Aug 25 21:32
DaemonFC[m]So, really, hundreds or even thousands of COVID-19 cases were caused by the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally and nobody will ever be able to put a number on that because it will all fade into the background of the unfolding national catastrophe.Aug 25 21:33
DaemonFC[m]The Governor of South Dakota is an irresponsible cunt and she's even more of a useless idiotic tool of the Trump regime than the ones in Florida and Georgia.Aug 25 21:34
DaemonFC[m]She wasn't really worried about basic precautions because the rally brought money to her state and then the people who got sick would fan out and it would be a lot of someone else's problem.Aug 25 21:34
DaemonFC[m]The government is so fond of reminding us, by way of stealing our incomes, mandating unemployment, making people ask for permission to accept employment, and arresting people for fictional crimes against the state, that it can do anything it wants to us at any time, yet it appears completely powerless to stop the COVID-19 disaster because it really doesn't care. Aug 25 21:39
DaemonFC[m]It's another way of throwing everything into chaos and then not allowing the disaster to "go to waste".Aug 25 21:39
DaemonFC[m]The Trump Administration proved last time that if there was another CARES Act, most people would get $1,000 while watching Trump making it rain their hard earned money on insider criminal cronies.Aug 25 21:41
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DaemonFC[m]It's less than 90 days to the election, so letting it all fall apart and then having a pissed off public show him to the door means we might get a recovery bill that won't be like that, but it's going to be a long winter.Aug 25 21:42
DaemonFC[m]Besides, funding for the entire government runs out in September. Aug 25 21:43
DaemonFC[m]Pelosi can't be under too much pressure to pass something now.Aug 25 21:43
DaemonFC[m]If the government has to shut down before the election, well, Trump got more blame last time.Aug 25 21:43
DaemonFC[m]He'll sign anything to make it stop.Aug 25 21:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Congress faces tough call next month on stopgap funding length - Roll CallAug 25 21:45
DaemonFC[m]This is turning into a repeat of 2008 basically. Pelosi has the House and she's doing the same playbook.Aug 25 21:45
schestowitzNanny PelosiAug 25 21:45
DaemonFC[m]Forbes is obsessing over fictional $1,200 checks again.Aug 25 21:46
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DaemonFC[m]At one point they even had a calculator so you could see how much theoretical money that Congress hasn't passed that you might get.Aug 25 21:46
MinceRlolAug 25 21:48
DaemonFC[m]The Federal Reserve and what's left of the economy that hasn't been destroyed are keeping Illinois limping along.Aug 25 21:49
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DaemonFC[m]Legal marijuana was a master stroke, in retrospect, because it's the one way you can guarantee black people will pay taxes to the state.Aug 25 21:50
MinceRlolAug 25 21:50
DaemonFC[m]They let thousands of people out of prison, and the Governor robosigned their pardons, 66,000 pardons at once with more to come, going back decades.Aug 25 21:51
DaemonFC[m]I'm sure that half of them will be back in prison for something else shortly because after you're in prison, it kind of doesn't let you go.Aug 25 21:51
DaemonFC[m]<MinceR "lol"> Marijuana, scratchers, and 40s.Aug 25 21:53
DaemonFC[m]Even in the middle of a pandemic and recession, I go in to pay for a tank of gas and get stuck behind people paying every Stupid Tax this state has come up with.Aug 25 21:54
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Some Libertarian publication in Indiana got into an argument with me. Aug 25 21:55
DaemonFC[m]They said, "Taxes hurt the economy. If you want less of something, you tax it. So a tax on employment means less jobs. A tax on the rich just means less people who put forth any effort to get rich." etc.Aug 25 21:56
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Well, they taxed stupid and it doesn't seem like less people play the lottery, smoke, or drink themselves to death in this state.".Aug 25 21:56
DaemonFC[m]"I found a problem with your theory.Aug 25 21:56
DaemonFC[m]What the government does is they use taxes as a trap.Aug 25 21:56
DaemonFC[m]They lay so many taxes that even if you avoid some, you won't avoid others.Aug 25 21:57
MinceRand then they waste that money on stupid shitAug 25 21:57
DaemonFC[m]The government to the real economy is like a car that leaks half the fuel you put into it between tanks.Aug 25 21:58
DaemonFC[m]Then the problem always is that you're not putting more fuel in.Aug 25 21:58
DaemonFC[m]It's a parasitic draw. It wastes energy.Aug 25 21:58
DaemonFC[m]It takes your money and turns it into something that is a negative.Aug 25 21:58
DaemonFC[m]You get to pay for all of the dumb shit that nobody in the private sector would ever do because it's so incredibly stupid, along with all of the grift and graft, and the police to come kill you if you complain too loudly about it.Aug 25 21:59
DaemonFC[m]That's why I might just let them have the Progressive Tax. I was playing around with the calculator. Aug 25 22:00
DaemonFC[m]It really won't do anything to make the government smaller, but it is a way of telling rich people "Fine, you want this mess, here's the bill.".Aug 25 22:00
DaemonFC[m]Then maybe they won't want the mess so much.Aug 25 22:00
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MinceRthey will want the mess, they'll just want you to pay for itAug 25 22:02
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: The tax rates that go into effect really whack high earners.Aug 25 22:05
DaemonFC[m]I just can't see how this ever passed the legislature. Aug 25 22:06
DaemonFC[m]Rich people hate paying taxes. How can this even be presented to us?Aug 25 22:06
DaemonFC[m]Especially by a Governor who is under investigation for property tax fraud involving his toilets in the spare mansion.Aug 25 22:06
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DaemonFC[m]Strangely, for as much as it would raise taxes on them, there's been little pushback.Aug 25 22:10
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sebsebsebschestowitz: pingAug 25 22:11
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sebsebsebMinceR: juicy Apple Aug 25 22:12
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MinceRsebsebseb: dehomagAug 25 22:13
sebsebsebMinceR: kids got to war face coverings in communual areas in lock down or s cotland Aug 25 22:13
sebsebsebuhAug 25 22:13
sebsebsebhereAug 25 22:13
MinceRsebsebseb: Have you really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?Aug 25 22:14
sebsebsebMinceR: whats that ??Aug 25 22:14
*XRevan86 got very confused very quickly.Aug 25 22:15
MinceRjust as plannedAug 25 22:15
sebsebsebXRevan86: they are loving the face coverings in uk  kids have to wear in certain circumstances now as wellAug 25 22:17
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DaemonFC[m]The hurricane is going to hit Trump country. LOLAug 25 22:43
DaemonFC[m]Rural Louisiana and part of Texas.Aug 25 22:43
DaemonFC[m]Well, it's not like there's a hurricane season every year or that Trump thought that FEMA might need money for something other than his 3 weeks of unemployment.Aug 25 22:44
DaemonFC[m]So he caused the bill to die in Congress and then squandered FEMA money to try to prop up unemployment in red states for a few weeks.Aug 25 22:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4332860)Aug 25 23:18
DaemonFC[m]"How did you come to possess Cronus's ship?"Aug 25 23:23
DaemonFC[m]O'Neill: "We made a trade. We got the ship and Cronus got what he had coming."Aug 25 23:24
MinceR:>Aug 25 23:27
DaemonFC[m]$46,000 fine and expelled 155 times was what one Liberty University student calculated what would have happened to Falwell Jr. had he been a student, before the next scandal broke, that he liked to watch their pool boy fuck his wife.Aug 25 23:43
DaemonFC[m]I wonder what the Liberty University student policy would be for that.Aug 25 23:44
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Very God fearing man. Aug 25 23:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 2020 RNC ratings below 2016 and 2020 Dems - Los Angeles TimesAug 25 23:48
DaemonFC[m]"The first night of the Republican National Convention averaged 17 million viewers on Monday, a sharp drop of 26% from 2016."Aug 25 23:48
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, a lot of people feel the United States has been TP'd enough.Aug 25 23:49
MinceRdon't they have just one candidate this time?Aug 25 23:51
DaemonFC[m]They only did then too.Aug 25 23:52
DaemonFC[m]By the time it gets to the convention, it's clear who won the most delegates.Aug 25 23:52
DaemonFC[m]The last time there was a contested convention was in the 50s, when both parties had one in the same year. Aug 25 23:53

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