●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, August 25, 2022 ●●
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[00:00]	starstreak	activelow detected ^^
[00:05]	TR News	More vacuous and hypocritical privacy posing from Mozilla https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2022/08/24/its-time-to-pass-u-s-federal-privacy-legislation/
[00:05]	TR Bot	 It's Time to Pass U.S. Federal Privacy Legislation - Open Policy & Advocacy
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[00:09]	TR News	 (UPDATED): $29 Inovato Quadra Arm mini PC runs Armbian on Allwinner H6 processor (UPDATEDx2) https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/23/_29_Inovato_Quadra_Arm_mini_PC_runs_Armbian_on_Allwinner_H6_pro.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/23/_29_Inovato_Quadra_Arm_mini_PC_runs_Armbian_on_Allwinner_H6_pro.gmi 
[00:09]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines $29 Inovato Quadra Arm mini PC runs Armbian on Allwinner H6 processor (UPDATEDx2)
[00:10]	TR News	Classic Macintosh gets a massive ePaper display | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/08/24/classic-macintosh-gets-a-massive-epaper-display/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/08/24/classic-macintosh-gets-a-massive-epaper-display/
[00:10]	TR Bot	 Classic Macintosh gets a massive ePaper display | Arduino Blog
[00:11]	loner	"$29 Inovato Quadra Arm mini PC runs Armbian on Allwinner H6 processor" ... and?
[00:12]	loner	there's no freedom of choice with such either
[00:12]	DaemonFC	"WebKit as a project will need to reassess certain software development practices that may have facilitated the abuse of these vulnerabilities. The practice of committing security fixes to open source long in advance of corresponding Safari releases may need to be reconsidered."
[00:12]	starstreak	linux is also a hell of a lot faster than windows
[00:12]	DaemonFC	Apple has never pushed security fixes to their users very fast.
[00:12]	loner	^ it isn't
[00:13]	starstreak	XD
[00:13]	DaemonFC	WebkitGTK doesn't suffer from this as much.
[00:13]	DaemonFC	If there's a security patch, it goes in the monthly WebkitGTK security rollup.
[00:13]	starstreak	it is on my system
[00:13]	DaemonFC	Sometimes Apple doesn't even ship the patch for 6-8 months and that gives nation states like China plenty of time to attack Safari users.
[00:14]	starstreak	linux has a way better scheduler so apps actually use all my threads
[00:14]	DaemonFC	Which means that Apple's Webkit-only rule makes their security mess every other browser's problem too on the iPhone.
[00:14]	starstreak	windows is properietary too
[00:14]	TR News	"PureOS on the Librem 5 USA has a long list of default capabilities and a longer list of applications that are available to install and an even longer list of applications that are coming." https://puri.sm/posts/pureos-on-the-librem-5-usa-summer-2022-snapshot/
[00:14]	TR Bot	 PureOS on the Librem 5 USA Summer 2022 Snapshot Purism
[00:14]	MinceR	expecting security on an iGrenade is Doing It Wrong
[00:14]	DaemonFC	Apple should be bumping Webkit for security problems every month or so like GNOME does.
[00:15]	starstreak	i would trust a pinephone over android
[00:15]	starstreak	pinephone > ios > android
[00:15]	loner	at least, with w3m/lynx/links some _real_ alternative remained... however which libc could be digested without vendor-specific anti-competitive ASM?
[00:15]	DaemonFC	I can use Privacy Browser on Android.
[00:16]	DaemonFC	It disables JavaShit by default. Which of course breaks AMP because this "open source" framework makes everyone first call out to a JavaShit file that's nearly 100 KB and hosted only by GULAG.
[00:16]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ probably thinks this is fine too.
[00:17]	loner	problem isn't "free software" follows "innovative" trends, problem is any real alternative is locked out, by anti-competitive practices
[00:17]	DaemonFC	Even if you could locally host all of your own resources, AMP is terrible.
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[00:17]	loner	and, GNU/FSF etc. do follow the anti-competitive practices
[00:17]	DaemonFC	Normal Web pages at least work somewhat without JavaShit. All you get with AMP is a blank page.
[00:18]	loner	just recently, the last remaining news site, www.dw.com, "improved" their web site: "need JavaShit" now...
[00:18]	TR News	 (NEW): Everything You Need to Know About Linux Mint https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Everything_You_Need_to_Know_About_Linux_Mint.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Everything_You_Need_to_Know_About_Linux_Mint.gmi 
[00:18]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Everything You Need to Know About Linux Mint"
[00:18]	techuser	normal? AMP may become new normal!
[00:18]	TR News	 (UPDATED): Kdenlive 22.08 released (UPDATEDx3) https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/22/Kdenlive_22_08_released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/22/Kdenlive_22_08_released.gmi 
[00:18]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Kdenlive 22.08 released (UPDATEDx3)
[00:18]	DaemonFC	Every year, the list of reasons to load Brendan Eich into a SpaceX capsule as the dummy payload grows longer.
[00:19]	TR News	"So you build a GitLab project, you created a pipeline and then a scheduler to run every week your pipeline. And then you realize that you are polluting the internet with deprecated (garbage) things, at some point you have a debug option on, bla bla bla etc etc. It is time to clean up your mess!" https://balaskas.gr/blog/2022/08/24/remove-previous-gitlab-pipelines-from-a-project/
[00:19]	TR Bot	 - Remove Previous GitLab Pipelines from a project Evaggelos Balaskas - System Engineer
[00:20]	TR News	 (NEW): Kate - New Features - August 2022 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Kate_New_Features_August_2022.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Kate_New_Features_August_2022.gmi 
[00:20]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Kate - New Features - August 2022
[00:20]	DaemonFC	There's a continuation of some of Netscape's Web server programs.
[00:20]	MinceR	i'm not quite sure how this DT_HASH issue is an ABI issue, honestly
[00:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[00:20]	DaemonFC	Red Hat got ahold of them and kept developing them, and now IBM owns it.
[00:20]	MinceR	i thought random applications didn't need to read any of this, as it was the dynamic linker's job?
[00:20]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: you used to link a lot to AMP pages
[00:20]	DaemonFC	I didn't really stop to consider what it was.
[00:20]	schestowitz[TR]	'pages'
[00:21]	DaemonFC	That's how they get you.
[00:21]	DaemonFC	That and their GULAG Now app prefers AMP and won't show you normal pages.
[00:21]	schestowitz[TR]	The Register adopted it
[00:21]	schestowitz[TR]	I wonder if all those URLs you gave here still work at all
[00:21]	schestowitz[TR]	or fail gracefully, for now..
[00:22]	schestowitz[TR]	Gulagf didn't have enough with its browser monopolies
[00:22]	DaemonFC	Now I have the AMP redirect extension in my browser.
[00:22]	schestowitz[TR]	it also wanted to serve you all the pages from its OWN servers
[00:22]	schestowitz[TR]	next it will compltely block people from entering techrights
[00:22]	loner	situation is, i would be willing too, to drop all multimedia capabilities (which i still got with gcc47 c-only toolchain)
[00:23]	schestowitz[TR]	saying techrights is not in the CA cartel
[00:23]	schestowitz[TR]	hence, "dangerous"
[00:23]	loner	however, with the libc and ASM issue, even this wouldn' suffice, to retain some minimal *nix development box
[00:23]	DaemonFC	I don't know that I'll ever get a cat again.
[00:23]	DaemonFC	I'll obviously keep my two that I have now but it really makes things difficult.
[00:24]	loner	and that's why i am asking, how would i pose a threat to the business prospects of any of the "made in usa" "free software" corporates?
[00:24]	DaemonFC	Moving, paying vet bills, extra deposits, landlords going "I don't know. The list of things I don't like is getting long.".
[00:24]	DaemonFC	Saying goodbye someday breaks your heart.
[00:24]	loner	what's the real incentive of Pentagon, to lock out any alternative with their anti-competitive shitware?
[00:24]	loner	i haven't got a libc anymore.
[00:25]	DaemonFC	Some people have a lot of money and can't move past their last cat or dog, so they pay for some unethical cloning job.
[00:25]	DaemonFC	Then $12,000 later when a lot of failed clones died horribly, they get their cat.
[00:25]	DaemonFC	And it doesn't remember them, of course, and doesn't act like the cat it was cloned from.
[00:26]	DaemonFC	My Bobcat is a sweet little kitty, but learning that everything has to end is one of the horrible parts of life. 
[00:27]	DaemonFC	I think one of the reasons that people today are so mentally fucked is because instead of dealing with trauma, they've regressed, mentally, into childhood.
[00:27]	DaemonFC	Where they felt safe, and comfortable.
[00:28]	DaemonFC	Life isn't safe. In fact, it does terrible things to you every year, maybe even every day, and more is coming.
[00:28]	DaemonFC	So people have picked crazy things to bicker about, like gender pronouns.
[00:28]	DaemonFC	It's a weird hill to die on. Insisting that refusal to say they/them is a big deal in the scheme of things.
[00:29]	MinceR	regressed -- or never progressed out of
[00:29]	DaemonFC	Yeah.
[00:29]	starstreak	https://external-preview.redd.it/M0KR8QVJSZAhW-6meBIKkNQruCX7S0CDp3PdK2FtaSc.jpg?auto=webp&s=dd13913521dbf296746dbd1006730763512e41bc
[00:29]	TR News	 (NEW): [compiz] Compiz 0.9.14.2 released https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/_compiz_Compiz_0_9_14_2_released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/_compiz_Compiz_0_9_14_2_released.gmi 
[00:29]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines [compiz] Compiz 0.9.14.2 released
[00:29]	DaemonFC	People who physically age, maybe accumulate knowledge, and manage to go to work and pay their taxes.
[00:30]	DaemonFC	But they have the mind of a child.
[00:30]	schestowitz[TR]	they still buy toys
[00:30]	schestowitz[TR]	but the more expensive types
[00:30]	DaemonFC	Yeah, MARISOL.
[00:30]	schestowitz[TR]	ones that might be metal and plastic
[00:30]	schestowitz[TR]	not just plastic
[00:31]	schestowitz[TR]	payd for by plastic
[00:31]	schestowitz[TR]	(card)
[00:31]	DaemonFC	And then their employer cuts their earnings potential with no warning, but all of these bills are not able to be renegotiated.
[00:31]	DaemonFC	So they're stuck dealing with that for years, and if they're smart they won't build the pile any higher.
[00:31]	schestowitz[TR]	the best thing, I found, was learning to live with less
[00:31]	schestowitz[TR]	smaller budget, fewer things to maintain
[00:31]	schestowitz[TR]	then you stop worrying
[00:32]	schestowitz[TR]	you can also save a bit
[00:32]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Yes, MARISOL has loaded them up with debt that can't be negotiated anymore.
[00:32]	schestowitz[TR]	save actual currency
[00:32]	schestowitz[TR]	not earpods
[00:32]	techuser	idk how to be happy
[00:32]	techuser	seems buying things doesn't make me happy
[00:32]	DaemonFC	She signed the mortgage, the car loans, the credit card applications (and loaded them all up and got more in Marks name and loaded those up).
[00:32]	schestowitz[TR]	techuser: write down what you like
[00:32]	DaemonFC	And they had two kids that rightfully hate her.
[00:32]	schestowitz[TR]	things you do enjoy do more of them
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[00:32]	DaemonFC	I feel for the kids, I really do.
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[00:33]	techuser	computers maybe? But they get destroyed by corporations all the time
[00:33]	DaemonFC	Mandy told me that their kids refer to her as "that bitch".
[00:33]	techuser	my life was about computers since early childhood
[00:33]	DaemonFC	She was slapping her daughter around the house one day for that.
[00:33]	techuser	then I noticed things are bad
[00:33]	DaemonFC	Because, right to her face.
[00:33]	schestowitz[TR]	techuser: computers can still last 10+ years
[00:33]	loner	schestowitz[TR]: 50years
[00:33]	schestowitz[TR]	if you treat them OK and repair
[00:33]	schestowitz[TR]	loner: at 50 even the plastics are yellowing
[00:34]	techuser	yes, if we don't have shitty software (or shitty updates, idk)
[00:34]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], It's not the fault of their kids that their parents are horrible people.
[00:34]	techuser	cuddlybear66: ^ parents
[00:34]	schestowitz[TR]	techuser: if you enjoy iurc, do more of it
[00:34]	schestowitz[TR]	better than killing time on "games"
[00:34]	schestowitz[TR]	also cheaper
[00:34]	techuser	IRC is being ruined by IRCv3
[00:34]	DaemonFC	Part of the reason I haven't handed their mom over to the IRS, yet, is because their kids would suffer for it.
[00:34]	loner	a raspi 1.3 1GH 512MiB RAM is year 2000, roughly, and with "free software" tailored for such a thing, it is good enough for another 20 years
[00:34]	DaemonFC	I'd be hurting people who don't deserve it and are in her orbit.
[00:34]	techuser	pirated videogames are ok
[00:35]	starstreak	<techuser> IRC is being ruined by IRCv3   <--- how so?
[00:35]	techuser	embrace, extend and extinguish
[00:35]	techuser	will kill IRC
[00:35]	schestowitz[TR]	it's compatible mostly
[00:35]	techuser	eventually they will say compatibility needs to be sacrificed
[00:35]	starstreak	is irc adding image support? cuz i love memes
[00:35]	schestowitz[TR]	ircv3 = some more features you can use
[00:35]	loner	however, just as said, with "free software", i haven't got at least a libc anymore
[00:36]	starstreak	thats why i love discord, its like irc with graphical memes
[00:36]	loner	well then, back to this
[00:36]	loner	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
[00:36]	TR Bot	 Apollo Guidance Computer - Wikipedia
[00:36]	schestowitz[TR]	starstreak: irc does meme
[00:36]	DaemonFC	Even ChatZilla is IRCv3 compatible.
[00:36]	schestowitz[TR]	you put a url
[00:36]	schestowitz[TR]	then people click on them
[00:36]	loner	that's ttl7400 series era computing... why not? maybe at least this one remained free as in free as in free
[00:36]	DaemonFC	So it's not like there's a shortage of client software.
[00:36]	schestowitz[TR]	and they can opt out
[00:36]	techuser	DaemonFC: yes, so the cancer grows
[00:36]	schestowitz[TR]	by not clicking
[00:36]	schestowitz[TR]	or
[00:36]	schestowitz[TR]	some irc clients will render image links
[00:36]	starstreak	schestowitz[TR], fair enough but i like seeing them as part of the chat
[00:36]	techuser	stop turning IRC to Discord
[00:36]	DaemonFC	Update your damned software. If it's so old you can't use IRCv3, what security issues are in it?
[00:36]	schestowitz[TR]	I have one irc client that shows previews of urls in irc
[00:36]	techuser	fuck your updates
[00:36]	starstreak	techuser, LOL XD
[00:36]	schestowitz[TR]	i.e. it uses browser components
[00:37]	DaemonFC	Saying IRCv3 is Discord is ridiculous.
[00:37]	techuser	I can't be happy with it
[00:37]	schestowitz[TR]	so if you link to images it'll render them
[00:37]	starstreak	what irc client renders images?
[00:37]	techuser	IRC gets destroyed as society does
[00:37]	starstreak	im using hexchat and it doesnt
[00:37]	CrystalMath	techuser: it's all backwards compatible though
[00:37]	DaemonFC	If it were Discord, schestowitz[TR] would be forcing you to go to discord's Web site and load JavaShit, and a 600 MB browser tab, and he'd have no control over his "server" which wouldn't be a server.
[00:37]	schestowitz[TR]	I am using xchat at the moment
[00:37]	loner	catgirl irc client seems decent, just saying
[00:37]	loner	it easily links against bearssl-libtls too
[00:37]	schestowitz[TR]	xchat 2.8.8
[00:37]	CrystalMath	techuser: people can still join in with ircjr on DOS, and it works :)
[00:37]	schestowitz[TR]	compiled 2 years ago
[00:38]	techuser	iirc catgirl is evil
[00:38]	starstreak	one of the nice things about irc imo is that i could use dosbox-x with networking, windows 3.11 with tcp/ip and mIRC worked in 2022
[00:38]	techuser	because working with TLS only
[00:38]	schestowitz[TR]	we support non-tls
[00:38]	schestowitz[TR]	intentionally
[00:38]	CrystalMath	techuser: TLS-only is a per-server decision
[00:38]	starstreak	schestowitz[TR], ooooo
[00:38]	DaemonFC	There are good reasons to use TLS on IRC. Like, so your ISP can't log the text.
[00:38]	CrystalMath	DaemonFC: but not here, since the text is logged onto an HTTP server
[00:39]	CrystalMath	:P
[00:39]	CrystalMath	everybody's ISP can see this
[00:39]	schestowitz[TR]	CrystalMath: not all channels
[00:39]	schestowitz[TR]	only 5 channels
[00:39]	CrystalMath	i mean, everybody and their ISP
[00:39]	schestowitz[TR]	not direct messages and all the other channels
[00:39]	CrystalMath	right
[00:39]	DaemonFC	The ISP bulk data collection programs want to know about you.
[00:39]	DaemonFC	Want to know all about you.....
[00:39]	DaemonFC	(singing(
[00:39]	DaemonFC	Mr. GULAG did that!
[00:40]	DaemonFC	While he "changed them from within".
[00:40]	DaemonFC	:P
[00:41]	DaemonFC	I've been using Searx.be for searches and it mostly works fine.
[00:41]	DaemonFC	You can tell there's a clear disgust for things like GULAG and JavaShit applications, which is what New Reddit is.
[00:41]	techuser	waiting until they put JS onto IRC?
[00:42]	DaemonFC	Oh, you could use JavaShit in IRC with ChatZilla in the late 90s.
[00:42]	DaemonFC	That's what it's written in, and so you can also change it with JavaShit.
[00:42]	DaemonFC	:)
[00:42]	loner	catgirl irc too got a bouncer, pounce... not bad
[00:42]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/today_s_howtos.3.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/today_s_howtos.3.gmi 
[00:42]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos"
[00:42]	DaemonFC	But even JavaShit extensions are better than mirc script.
[00:43]	loner	cannot link statically yet, because this needs some different network administration, to socksify irc traffic
[00:43]	DaemonFC	Because mirc scripts like to call out to compiled code, and then you have no idea what the hell they're telling you to run.
[00:43]	loner	proxychains requires LD_PRELOAD... meh... no
[00:43]	loner	i'll try redsocks proxy tomorrow
[00:44]	TR News	 (NEW): Videos and Shows: Privacy, Massive Wiki, Manjaro, and Linux Mint https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Videos_and_Shows_Privacy_Massive_Wiki_Manjaro_and_Linux_Mint.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Videos_and_Shows_Privacy_Massive_Wiki_Manjaro_and_Linux_Mint.gmi 
[00:44]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Videos and Shows: Privacy, Massive Wiki, Manjaro, and Linux Mint
[00:44]	DaemonFC	JavaScript can be "minified", which by effect obfuscates it.
[00:44]	DaemonFC	So an open source JavaScript should have the original source and instructions on how to minify it so the user can verify how it turns into the same thing as the minified script.
[00:44]	loner	why would you want to re-implement shit as opensource?
[00:45]	TR News	Qwiic Digital Desk Sign with MicroMod - News - SparkFun Electronics https://www.sparkfun.com/news/5125 Source: SparkFun Electronics | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.sparkfun.com/news/5125
[00:45]	TR Bot	Digital Desk Sign with MicroMod - News - SparkFun Electronics
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[00:46]	TR News	Out-of-control HEY HI hype https://www.epistem.ink/p/it-looks-like-youre-trying-to-take
[00:46]	TR Bot	 It Looks Like Youre Trying To Take Over The Narrative
[00:46]	loner	i haven't got a libc anymore
[00:47]	TR News	Hello Shiny Python | R-bloggers https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/08/hello-shiny-python/ Source: R | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.r-bloggers.com/2022/08/hello-shiny-python/
[00:47]	TR Bot	Shiny Python | R-bloggers
[00:47]	loner	and, why is it called libc if all of them contain malicious ASM shit?
[00:47]	MinceR	because it's a standard library to be used by programs written in C?
[00:48]	loner	yes, and those "standard" libraries contain non-standard ASM shit
[00:48]	loner	libasm (c) pentagon corp
[00:48]	TR News	"Zatko was fired from Twitter in January this year for ineffective leadership and poor performance, in the words of a Twitter spokesperson. CNNs report is very long, and worth reading in full. If even partially true, what Zatko is alleging is extremely alarming." https://daringfireball.net/linked/2022/08/24/twitter-mudge
[00:48]	TR Bot	 Daring Fireball: Ex-Twitter Security Chief Peiter 'Mudge' Zatko Files Blockbuster Whistleblower Report Over the Platform's Security
[00:49]	loner	anyway, there's not much i can do anymore
[00:50]	TR News	"Nakamoto Scheme" https://blog.dshr.org/2022/08/investment-frauds.html
[00:50]	TR Bot	 DSHR's Blog: Investment Frauds
[00:51]	TR News	"The phone numbers and email addresses of anonymous dissidents are very sensitive, but Id argue that the contents of DMs are the most sensitive information Twitter holds." https://daringfireball.net/linked/2022/08/24/wapo-zatko-twitter
[00:51]	TR Bot	 Daring Fireball: The Washington Post on Peiter 'Mudge' Zatko's Whistleblower Report on Twitter Security
[00:53]	DaemonFC	It's clearly time we go back to libc.so.5
[00:53]	loner	i fear i couldn't repair dietlibc.a at least
[00:53]	DaemonFC	Everything since 1997 was a mistake.
[00:54]	loner	almost
[00:54]	loner	this is the comparison i propose: just burn all books and libraries, we got wikipedia nowadays, written in php5
[00:55]	TR News	Maker Creates DIY Raspberry Pi Pico GPIO Ethernet Connection | Tom's Hardware https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-pico-ethernet-hack Source: Tom's Hardware | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-pico-ethernet-hack
[00:55]	DaemonFC	Then we can recycle all of the cars and cans and beer bottles.
[00:55]	TR Bot	 Maker Creates DIY Raspberry Pi Pico GPIO Ethernet Connection | Tom's Hardware
[00:55]	DaemonFC	And become Amish
[00:55]	TR News	 (UPDATED): DeskPi Super6C mini-ITX board takes up to 6x Raspberry Pi CM4 modules (UPDATED) https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/DeskPi_Super6C_mini_ITX_board_takes_up_to_6x_Raspberry_Pi_CM4_m.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/DeskPi_Super6C_mini_ITX_board_takes_up_to_6x_Raspberry_Pi_CM4_m.gmi 
[00:55]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines DeskPi Super6C mini-ITX board takes up to 6x Raspberry Pi CM4 modules (UPDATED)
[00:55]		*ender2070 (~blozza@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights
[00:55]	schestowitz[TR]	oh
[00:55]	loner	DaemonFC: Amish? why? don't conflate their religion. that's distracting.
[00:55]	schestowitz[TR]	ender
[00:56]	TR News	Raspberry Pi Project Enables I2C Interface Using HDMI Port | Tom's Hardware https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-hdmi-to-i2c Source: Tom's Hardware | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-hdmi-to-i2c
[00:56]	ender2070	hey!
[00:56]	TR Bot	 Raspberry Pi Project Enables I2C Interface Using HDMI Port | Tom's Hardware
[00:56]	schestowitz[TR]	welcome back 2010
[00:56]	loner	because, the Amish haven't got an Apollo Guidance Computer
[00:56]	ender2070	im the same as starstreak
[00:56]	loner	nowadays, we haven't got at least this anymore
[00:56]	schestowitz[TR]	fedora has ambassadors again
[00:56]	TR News	How To Hide Passwords in Your Code With Raspberry Pi Pico W | Tom's Hardware https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/hide-passwords-in-code-raspberry-pi-pico-w Source: Tom's Hardware | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.tomshardware.com/how-to/hide-passwords-in-code-raspberry-pi-pico-w
[00:56]	TR Bot	 How To Hide Passwords in Your Code With Raspberry Pi Pico W | Tom's Hardware
[00:57]	ender2070	right now im connected to irc using windows 3.11 and mIRC
[00:57]	TR News	Raspberry Pi Cat Doorbell Listens for Meows | Tom's Hardware https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-cat-doorbell Source: Tom's Hardware | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-cat-doorbell
[00:57]	TR Bot	 Raspberry Pi Cat Doorbell Listens for Meows | Tom's Hardware
[00:57]	schestowitz[TR]	ender2070: cannot open https links
[00:58]	starstreak	this is the nice thing about irc: https://i.imgur.com/1PvLUGG.png
[00:58]	starstreak	it still works in windows 3.11
[00:58]	TR News	Gossip about the mother instead of news. What has AP become? https://federalnewsnetwork.com/u-s-news/2022/08/attorney-florida-school-shooter-was-a-damaged-person/
[00:58]	TR Bot	 Florida school shooters birth mom abused cocaine, alcohol | Federal News Network
[00:59]		*ender2070 is starstreak
[00:59]		*ender2070 is 16-bit
[00:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 25.76 k/sec., IPFS upstream 66.58 average k/sec., average swarm size 119.80
[00:59]	ender2070	if techrights required ssl, this wouldn't work
● Aug 25
[01:00]	ender2070	there are problems with not using ssl though, my isp and the feds can read this
[01:01]	schestowitz[TR]	they can:
[01:01]	schestowitz[TR]	read morning logs
[01:01]	schestowitz[TR]	they can read real-time logs
[01:01]	schestowitz[TR]	viaa gemini
[01:01]	schestowitz[TR]	or my machine at home
[01:01]	schestowitz[TR]	or my copy on the site
[01:01]	schestowitz[TR]	or the site's own copy
[01:02]	schestowitz[TR]	but for this channel only
[01:02]	schestowitz[TR]	this channel is not private
[01:02]	schestowitz[TR]	you can private-message people
[01:02]	TR News	 (NEW): Open Hardware/Modding: Raspberry Pi, SparkFun, Librem, and Arduino https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Open_Hardware_Modding_Raspberry_Pi_SparkFun_Librem_and_Arduino.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Open_Hardware_Modding_Raspberry_Pi_SparkFun_Librem_and_Arduino.gmi 
[01:02]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Open Hardware/Modding: Raspberry Pi, SparkFun, Librem, and Arduino
[01:02]	DaemonFC	https://wgntv.com/crime/armed-man-with-gas-can-taped-to-chest-fatally-shot-by-officer-in-waukegan-police-say/
[01:02]	TR Bot	 Armed man with gas can taped to chest fatally shot by officer in Waukegan, police say | WGN-TV
[01:03]	DaemonFC	WAUKEGAN, Ill. An armed man was shot and killed Wednesday after ignoring a Waukegan officers verbal commands, according to police. 
[01:03]	DaemonFC	"Waukegan, State of ILL. A man was shot after failing to obey and survive."
[01:03]	schestowitz[TR]	"OBEY, OBEY"
[01:03]	schestowitz[TR]	2 seconds llater, shots fired
[01:04]	starstreak	schestowitz[TR], techrights sort of works in IE5 for Win3.11: https://i.imgur.com/Adfom1K.png
[01:04]	schestowitz[TR]	"armed"= there was some postil in a holster somewhere
[01:04]	schestowitz[TR]	"so that's OK then"
[01:04]	DaemonFC	It was a knife.
[01:04]	starstreak	schestowitz[TR], i tried clicking on a link but it was too large to load
[01:04]	DaemonFC	"Authorities note that as the officer attempted to put out the blaze with a fire extinguisher, a man armed with a knife, hammer and gas can taped to his chest advanced toward the officer.
[01:04]	DaemonFC	Police ordered the male subject to stop advancing. When the male offender didnt comply, the officer opened fire, wounding the victim. "
[01:04]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: he could throw it!
[01:05]	schestowitz[TR]	did they shoot the legs?
[01:05]	DaemonFC	Nope. Center mass.
[01:05]	DaemonFC	:)
[01:05]	schestowitz[TR]	cops
[01:05]	DaemonFC	You think they're going to kneecap someone, Roy?
[01:05]	DaemonFC	You aim for center mass. It's not the most effective place to shoot someone but it's the most likely place to hit.
[01:06]	DaemonFC	Then if you need to, you can shoot them more.
[01:06]	schestowitz[TR]	ender2070: not I remember that globe thing
[01:06]	DaemonFC	Like shooting them in the back after they're on the ground and barely even alive.
[01:06]	DaemonFC	Totally justified!
[01:06]	DaemonFC	Now the cop can say whatever lie he wants.
[01:07]	schestowitz[TR]	"failing to obey and survive.""
[01:07]	DaemonFC	No chance that the victim pulls through and contradicts his story.
[01:07]	schestowitz[TR]	Interesting wording
[01:07]	schestowitz[TR]	like "offcer-involved shooting'
[01:07]	schestowitz[TR]	we shot a man with a hammer in the lungs and heart
[01:07]	schestowitz[TR]	he was hammered
[01:07]	ender2070	lol
[01:07]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], In Grand Theft Auto V, the police in California have "Obey and Survive" on the door of all the cop cars.
[01:07]	DaemonFC	So I just started saying it when I saw that.
[01:08]	ender2070	im a genius, i configured an ne2000 network card in dosbox-x and added it to windows 3.11, then installed microsoft tcp/ip and an old version of 16-bit mIRC
[01:08]	DaemonFC	What the politicians really hate about video games is it teaches kids to hate police officers.
[01:08]	schestowitz[TR]	your country loves guns more than it valued life
[01:08]	DaemonFC	It portrays the cops as violent, unintelligent savages.
[01:08]	schestowitz[TR]	*values
[01:08]	DaemonFC	Even better, corrupt, on the take, etc.
[01:08]	DaemonFC	Duke Nukem even had "pig cops".
[01:09]	DaemonFC	And they'd run around with "LARD" on their uniforms.
[01:09]	schestowitz[TR]	pigs are quite harmless
[01:09]	schestowitz[TR]	LAPD=LARD
[01:09]	DaemonFC	Yeah
[01:10]	DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY9-2xJE5eU
[01:10]	TR Bot	https://yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=qY9-2xJE5eU
[01:10]	TR Bot	yt.artemislena.eu | Down Periscope Stocking the Pantry - Invidious
[01:10]	schestowitz[TR]	"ghetto people"
[01:11]	starstreak	schestowitz[TR], https://i.imgur.com/dIl43xx.png
[01:11]	ender2070	this is so retro
[01:11]	schestowitz[TR]	when was 3.11 released?
[01:11]		*ender2070 slaps starstreak around a bit with a large trout
[01:11]	ender2070	1993
[01:12]	ender2070	so a 30 year old OS is working fine on irc
[01:13]		*ender2070 is now known as ender2070_16bit
[01:13]	starstreak	-ender2070_16bit- VERSION mIRC16 v5.31 K.Mardam-Bey
[01:13]	ender2070_16bit	XD
[01:14]	loner	ender2070_16bit: DOSBox isn't 30years old
[01:14]	schestowitz[TR]	I will use the screenshots shortly :-0
[01:14]	schestowitz[TR]	thanks
[01:14]	DaemonFC	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Y52-nr-P1EU
[01:14]	TR Bot	 JONATHAN BANKS | Mike Ehrmantraut & Tuco Salamanca | Better Call Saul - Invidious
[01:14]	schestowitz[TR]	celebrating backward compat
[01:14]	ender2070_16bit	oh cool!
[01:15]	ender2070_16bit	loner: I know dosbox isn't 30 years old but I did boot DOS 6.22 and Windows 3.11 in it
[01:15]	loner	and neither were "free software" nor "open source"
[01:15]	ender2070_16bit	I needed a config.sys so I had to boot the OS instead of use the emulated dos
[01:18]	ender2070_16bit	I suppose I could have used FreeDOS
[01:18]	ender2070_16bit	I was doing this for nostalgia sake though
[01:18]	loner	there's even some open-source (with Verilog) ia32 SoC available (without ethernet i think)
[01:19]	loner	it's impressive still, except, except for the minor missing pieces of this
[01:19]	ender2070_16bit	I would love to setup all this on bare metal some day, maybe i can find a vintage computer
[01:19]	ender2070_16bit	the mister fpga might be a good choice
[01:19]	ender2070_16bit	i think it has a 486 module
[01:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[01:20]	loner	https://github.com/archlabo/Frix
[01:20]	TR Bot	- archlabo/Frix: IBM PC Compatible SoC for a commercially available FPGA board
[01:20]		*GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights
[01:20]	loner	https://github.com/alfikpl/ao486
[01:20]	TR Bot	- alfikpl/ao486: The ao486 is an x86 compatible Verilog core implementing all features of a 486 SX.
[01:20]	loner	however, i think those are missing ethernet/usb1
[01:20]	loner	and, the Altera tooling isn't "free" nor "opensource" either
[01:21]	TR News	 (NEW): Privacy and Security Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Privacy_and_Security_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Privacy_and_Security_Leftovers.gmi 
[01:21]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Privacy and Security Leftovers
[01:21]	loner	just as said, i backtracked this, and arrived at ttl7400 series era computing, if at all
[01:22]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Just do what they say.
[01:22]	DaemonFC	They're not fucking around.
[01:22]	loner	because then, with this type of computing, there is little to no chance for ethernet and tcp/ip
[01:22]	DaemonFC	If you give a cop any excuse to kill you, they can and they very well might.
[01:23]	DaemonFC	You're really playing with fire because there's pretty much no accountability. 
[01:23]	TR News	 (NEW): Programming Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Programming_Leftovers.gmi 
[01:23]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
[01:24]	TR News	http://techrights.org/2022/08/24/compiz-0-9-14-2/
[01:24]	TR Bot	 Links 24/08/2022: Mishi Choudhary Leaves Software Freedom Law Center and Release of Compiz 0.9.14.2 | Techrights
[01:24]	ender2070_16bit	loner: im not doing this to avoid the GNU/FSF/UN/Pentagon/IBM/Wintel conspiracy
[01:25]	loner	there's many reasons to do it
[01:26]	ender2070_16bit	lol Hexchat uses 50.1MB of ram, DOSBOX-X uses 118.9MB ram
[01:27]	ender2070_16bit	loner: pretty much all CPUs have backdoors in them, even arm (trustzone)
[01:29]	techuser	yes, because people let corporations do computers
[01:29]	techuser	inventing a computer was either a mistake, or an evildoing
[01:29]	ender2070_16bit	I do have some hope with risc-v and openrisc
[01:29]	techuser	I have none
[01:30]	ender2070_16bit	you could always buy a computer older than a core2duo
[01:30]	techuser	can these processors be done/altered at home?
[01:30]	techuser	without really expensive equipment
[01:32]	ender2070_16bit	fair enough
[01:32]	loner	i doubt there will be at least a libc without evil ASM extensions available, only GNU binutils could digest
[01:33]	TR News	Techrights Compatible With Computers From 30+ Years Ago | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/24/techrights-backward-compatible/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/24/techrights-backward-compatible/
[01:33]	TR Bot	 Techrights Compatible With Computers From 30+ Years Ago | Techrights
[01:33]	ender2070_16bit	hrm, mIRC doesn't seem to use the sound card, its using the pc speaker
[01:34]	schestowitz[TR]	try:
[01:34]	schestowitz[TR]	gemini.techrights.org
[01:34]	schestowitz[TR]	ssl optional
[01:34]	schestowitz[TR]	see if the context is legible
[01:34]	schestowitz[TR]	*content
[01:35]	techuser	does Gemini works without TLS at all?
[01:35]	schestowitz[TR]	it's serving over port 80 too
[01:35]	schestowitz[TR]	and 443
[01:35]	ender2070_16bit	i don't think gemini uses 80/443
[01:35]	schestowitz[TR]	it does web
[01:35]	schestowitz[TR]	that's my home ip address
[01:35]	schestowitz[TR]	it's in my living room
[01:36]	schestowitz[TR]	see how msie copes
[01:36]	ender2070_16bit	your gemini server does http too?
[01:36]	schestowitz[TR]	yes
[01:36]	schestowitz[TR]	we wrotew  aproxy
[01:36]	schestowitz[TR]	in perl
[01:36]	schestowitz[TR]	it does ipfs also
[01:37]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D333.jpg
[01:37]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D683.jpg
[01:38]	DaemonFC	Never underestimate will to live.
[01:38]	TR News	On Keeping Gimmicks Out of the Classroom gemini://rochelimit.uk/articles/20220824_on_keeping_gimmicks_out_of_the_classroom.gmi
[01:38]	DaemonFC	Like that time Gonad the Barbarian had me in the chokehold, bleeding profusely, concussed.
[01:38]	TR News	"The point is made that any new approach to teaching will produce measurable improvements, but only because of the enthusiasm of the practitioner. Infectious enthusiasm is most likely the key, and not all teachers have that, so maybe the gadgets help these classes. But I'm not convinced." gemini://rochelimit.uk/articles/20220824_on_keeping_gimmicks_out_of_the_classroom.gmi
[01:38]	DaemonFC	And right before it all went dark, I managed to grab a large rock and break his hand in two places so I could get away from him.
[01:39]	DaemonFC	He was a soldier. I was a teenager. I still quickly figured it out at the last minute what I had to do to live.
[01:40]		*ender2070_16bit slaps DaemonFC around a bit with a large trout
[01:40]	DaemonFC	My mother had my go lie to the prosecutor and play it down.
[01:40]	schestowitz[TR]	you could kick him in the gnats :-)
[01:40]	DaemonFC	Two weeks later I was homeless anyway, and they made him pay a small fine and go to anger management.
[01:40]	ender2070_16bit	i used the mirc slap command lol
[01:41]	ender2070_16bit	this is so retro its glorious
[01:41]	ender2070_16bit	a/s/l?
[01:41]	DaemonFC	15 F Police Trap
[01:41]	DaemonFC	Errr, I mean, Taco Bell.....Come meet me. Bring a lot of incriminating shit with you.
[01:41]	DaemonFC	I mean LOL!
[01:42]	DaemonFC	Why don't you have a seat?
[01:42]	DaemonFC	:)
[01:42]	schestowitz[TR]	s/s/l?
[01:42]	schestowitz[TR]	"NO!"
[01:42]	DaemonFC	Only the United States could make a reality show about a bunch of old perverts showing up to try to fuck kids and laugh at them running from the police.
[01:43]	starstreak	https://www.retrorgb.com/mister.html
[01:43]	TR Bot	FPGA Hardware | RetroRGB
[01:43]	ender2070_16bit	a/s/l means age/sex/location
[01:43]	DaemonFC	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=GhkypiYyqTU
[01:43]	TR Bot	 To Catch A Predator Host Chris Hansen Arrested - Invidious
[01:43]	ender2070_16bit	its something i used to ask a lot on IRC back before 2000
[01:44]	ender2070_16bit	i would hang out in #teenzone on DALnet when i was growing up
[01:44]	DaemonFC	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=zJIlftta6fk
[01:44]	TR Bot	 Man brings pizza to teens house, meets Chris Hansen instead - Invidious
[01:44]	schestowitz[TR]	dalnet is still online
[01:44]	ender2070_16bit	yes it is
[01:44]	ender2070_16bit	im too old for #teenzone now though
[01:45]	techuser	I wonder why age matters
[01:45]	techuser	why do they create these weird channels
[01:45]	ender2070_16bit	lol 
[01:45]	ender2070_16bit	a place for teens to ask each other asl and hook up
[01:45]	techuser	make kids grow up asap and start working all day until they die
[01:46]	ender2070_16bit	i used to have online girlfriends way before I had real ones
[01:46]	DaemonFC	https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/werewolfsboxingforum53765/jeff-sokol-died-last-summer-t3468.html
[01:46]	schestowitz[TR]	that's not what irc does
[01:46]	schestowitz[TR]	that's what schools do
[01:46]	TR Bot	 Jeff Sokol died last summer - Hotel Dixie Boxing Forum
[01:46]	DaemonFC	https://templeoftcap.freeforums.net/thread/16835/predator-rabbit-sokols-divorce-bankruptcy
[01:46]	TR Bot	 predator rabbit hole: Jeff Sokol's divorce and bankruptcy | Temple of TCAP
[01:46]	DaemonFC	https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/214277280/jeffrey-sokol
[01:46]	TR Bot	 Jeffrey Jeff Sokol (1971-2020) - Find a Grave Memorial
[01:46]	ender2070_16bit	i remember back in the 90s, i scanned my student ID photo to hand out to online girls
[01:46]	ender2070_16bit	before digital cameras
[01:47]	techuser	I know some online girls
[01:47]	DaemonFC	Chris Hansen's show has caused at least three of the men they ensnared to commit suicide.
[01:47]	ender2070_16bit	and even now in 2022, i prefer online people to real people
[01:47]	ender2070_16bit	because i have social anxiety
[01:47]	techuser	idk why should I meet them
[01:47]	schestowitz[TR]	my fist "online gf" from from thunderbay
[01:47]	ender2070_16bit	im asexual now so i actually would prefer to meet a woman and date her online only
[01:47]	schestowitz[TR]	*first
[01:48]	schestowitz[TR]	but I met some whom  I met "irl"
[01:48]	techuser	horseface thinks cuddlybear66 is my online girlfriend
[01:48]	schestowitz[TR]	before "irl" and "afk" was a thing
[01:48]	ender2070_16bit	schestowitz[tr] was that thunderbay, ontario?
[01:48]	schestowitz[TR]	yes
[01:48]	ender2070_16bit	nice
[01:48]	techuser	but I treat her as just an "IRC friend", like others
[01:48]	schestowitz[TR]	she even conatcted me right before I got married
[01:48]	schestowitz[TR]	which was strange
[01:48]	ender2070_16bit	i still have my six digit ICQ number
[01:48]	ender2070_16bit	(yes ICQ is still around)
[01:48]	schestowitz[TR]	icq = putin :-)
[01:49]	techuser	Helenah is another IRC female I know, once again no special attraction to her
[01:49]	ender2070_16bit	i think a russian company owns icq now
[01:49]	techuser	there are others maybe
[01:49]	ender2070_16bit	add me on ICQ, my UIN is 438570
[01:49]	techuser	I hate genders and sexes
[01:49]	schestowitz[TR]	irc was ahead of its time in some ways
[01:49]	schestowitz[TR]	like experimental real-time typing
[01:49]	schestowitz[TR]	over modem
[01:49]	schestowitz[TR]	ytalk still does this
[01:49]	ender2070_16bit	there is a plugin for pidgin that works with the new icq protocol
[01:50]	techuser	ender2070_16bit: iirc old ICQ protocol supports custom servers
[01:50]	techuser	but I did fail to find good clients for it
[01:50]	Helenah	techuser: I don't need special attraction towards me. lol
[01:50]	DaemonFC	Lesson 1: Don't believe anything a person on the other end of a computer tells you.
[01:50]	schestowitz[TR]	irc = software youi use to find out people's ip addresses and then winnuke them
[01:50]	techuser	ender2070_16bit: are you from somewhere the former USSR?
[01:50]	Helenah	I don't need to be the centre of attention.
[01:50]	schestowitz[TR]	also see: icq
[01:50]	ender2070_16bit	nah
[01:50]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz[TR]> irc = software youi use to find out people's ip addresses and then winnuke them
[01:50]	ender2070_16bit	techuser - im from ontario, canada
[01:50]	Helenah	I have ADHD but that doesn't mean I'm a brat.
[01:51]	ender2070_16bit	ICQ was popular here back in the 90s and early 00s
[01:51]	DaemonFC	There were a lot of Yahoo Messenger nukes that I used to use on people.
[01:51]	ender2070_16bit	before msn messenger came out
[01:51]	ender2070_16bit	then it was msn
[01:51]	DaemonFC	AIM had them too. The software wasn't very well written.
[01:51]	DaemonFC	It had a lot of DDoS attack vulnerabilities.
[01:51]	ender2070_16bit	i miss the days of pidgin with msn/aim/icq
[01:51]	schestowitz[TR]	you ended up running "antuinuke"
[01:51]	schestowitz[TR]	any of the bunch
[01:51]	schestowitz[TR]	a whole process
[01:51]	schestowitz[TR]	just to block packets
[01:52]	schestowitz[TR]	instead of having the bug patches
[01:52]	DaemonFC	Yeah, there was YTunnel to protect against Yahoo booters targeting you.
[01:52]	schestowitz[TR]	*patvcched
[01:52]	ender2070_16bit	pidgin uses about 50MB ram and discord uses about 400MB
[01:52]	techuser	I'm not asexual, but the way sex is done makes me unwilling to do it with people
[01:52]	DaemonFC	I cracked it and turned it into YTunnelPro.
[01:52]	techuser	I mean, males harassing female to get sex
[01:52]	DaemonFC	https://www.neowin.net/news/ytunnelpro-25-build-498-beta/
[01:52]	TR Bot	 Y!TunnelPro 2.5 Build 498 Beta - Neowin
[01:53]	techuser	then marriage happening and the relationships sometimes getting toxic
[01:53]	DaemonFC	There were a lot of minors on the Indiana_M4M room.
[01:53]	techuser	then suicides or other issues because failures at love
[01:53]	DaemonFC	Worse than Grindr. Much worse. It was totally unregulated, and the police back then didn't really have any sort of organized online presence.
[01:53]	DaemonFC	How do I know there were a lot of minors? I was 15 years old.
[01:54]	DaemonFC	I was meeting adults online and having sex with them at 15. Like, when my parents weren't there.
[01:54]	DaemonFC	They never really were. Off at work, or mom cheating on dad, or dad off with Jan.
[01:54]	starstreak	https://winworldpc.com/library/operating-systems <--- a great place for retro stuff
[01:54]	TR Bot	 WinWorld: Library
[01:54]	starstreak	they even got old versions of windows
[01:54]	techuser	I never had sex and probably not going to have it
[01:55]	ender2070_16bit	virgin alert
[01:55]	ender2070_16bit	how old are you techuser?
[01:55]	DaemonFC	There was a 38 year old man in South Bend, Indiana that was sending me nudes when I was 15.
[01:55]	techuser	18
[01:55]	DaemonFC	Just emailing them to me.
[01:55]	ender2070_16bit	nvm
[01:55]	DaemonFC	He said his name was Joe Schaffer.
[01:55]	schestowitz[TR]	i actually did sleep with my first "online g/f"
[01:55]	DaemonFC	I mean, people didn't even hide it back then because there was really nobody looking for it.
[01:55]	ender2070_16bit	i was a virgin till i was 19
[01:55]	schestowitz[TR]	but only when we were about 20
[01:56]	ender2070_16bit	schestowits[tr] the one from thunderbay?
[01:56]	techuser	btw cuddlybear66 thinks sex is only acceptable when it is to get pregrant and give birth to a child
[01:56]	ender2070_16bit	schestowitz[tr] the one from thunderbay?
[01:56]	schestowitz[TR]	yes, she was already in winniipeg by then
[01:56]	ender2070_16bit	ahhh
[01:56]	ender2070_16bit	nice :)
[01:56]	DaemonFC	After there was an organized police crackdown, it scared away all the ones that were smart enough to realize that it could be a trap and something really awful would happen to them. Right?
[01:56]	DaemonFC	In the late 90s, there were few sex offender lists.
[01:57]	ender2070_16bit	I was in love with this girl from alberta
[01:57]	ender2070_16bit	but we never met
[01:57]	DaemonFC	No online sex crime police units.
[01:57]	ender2070_16bit	she was in love with my friend
[01:57]	DaemonFC	The laws weren't that tough. The absolute worst that might happen is they bust you on something and send you to jail for a year or two.
[01:57]	DaemonFC	So more people were open about it.
[01:58]	DaemonFC	If I had to put my finger on when that changed, I'd say around 2005 or so.
[01:58]	techuser	love is too expensive
[01:58]	techuser	I partially have social anxiety, partially unwillingness to interact with people in some ways
[01:58]	DaemonFC	By then the politicians had caught up with it and passed tough laws and made it something that would ruin your life if you got caught, and gave cops unlimited funding.
[01:58]	DaemonFC	So now the only people they catch are the stupid ones.
[01:59]	DaemonFC	Because those are the people nothing will scare off.
[01:59]	ender2070_16bit	i got full blown social anxiety, i have panic attacks around too many people
[01:59]	schestowitz[TR]	or the "fallman"?
[01:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.95 k/sec., IPFS upstream 128.33 average k/sec., average swarm size 125.85
[01:59]	schestowitz[TR]	rich allen jones?
[01:59]	techuser	like I don't support "love" because it makes one waste money and go into toxic relationships
● Aug 25
[02:00]	ender2070_16bit	fair enough
[02:00]	ender2070_16bit	you're too young to be so cynical though
[02:00]	techuser	I think the issue is that my life was about computers from early childhood, then I realized things were always wrong with computers, and now idk what I want to do at all
[02:01]	techuser	I can't be happy with computers, but at the same time I did replace "real life" with computers in before
[02:01]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz[TR]> rich allen jones?
[02:01]	DaemonFC	I think he was stupid.
[02:01]	schestowitz[TR]	computers don't last long
[02:01]	ender2070_16bit	i've replaced real life with computers and its amazing
[02:01]	schestowitz[TR]	compared to humans
[02:01]	DaemonFC	It's a pretty safe assumption that anyone who knows how the system works and gets caught is stupid.
[02:01]	schestowitz[TR]	even some OLD cars can last 50 years
[02:01]	techuser	so I have no hope
[02:01]	techuser	no life and bad computers
[02:03]	techuser	I tried to get into free software. It seems I met agents. Liars who told me that GNU/Linux is really good and it will save me. It isn't.
[02:03]	techuser	it is ruined by systemd and other shit
[02:03]	techuser	anything big has corporation parasites
[02:04]	ender2070_16bit	 is this allowed?
[02:04]	techuser	colors
[02:04]	techuser	yes
[02:04]	ender2070_16bit	i still remembered how to do it in mIRC
[02:05]	techuser	however I'm now going to sleep
[02:05]	techuser	see you... if ever?
[02:05]	techuser	people disappear and never appear again
[02:05]	ender2070_16bit	ill be around
[02:05]	ender2070_16bit	im starstreak/britney
[02:05]	techuser	ok
[02:05]	ender2070_16bit	see ya :)
[02:06]	techuser	I don't notice/remember behavior patterns often, so a nickname change can make me think a person did disappear
[02:06]	ender2070_16bit	i lost "britney" because i was an idiot with nickserv
[02:06]	schestowitz[TR]	this discussion made me reecall a lot of things
[02:06]	DaemonFC	Yeah, I feel like every generation says this.
[02:06]	DaemonFC	But we grew up a lot faster I think.
[02:06]	schestowitz[TR]	techuser: in  my experience, you won't find compatible girls online
[02:07]	schestowitz[TR]	it's like depicting characters in a book without illustrations
[02:07]	techuser	(still here) oh, I'm not looking for them
[02:07]	schestowitz[TR]	then you meet in person and it's all different
[02:07]	schestowitz[TR]	defies expectations
[02:07]	techuser	I just happened to know cuddlybear66 is a girl
[02:07]	techuser	I don't ask
[02:07]	schestowitz[TR]	girls I met through irc and icq were not compatible
[02:07]	ender2070_16bit	schestowitz[tr]: it was better back in the 90s and early 00s for women because computers were more rare so you found women online with the same interests
[02:07]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz[TR]> even some OLD cars can last 50 years
[02:07]	schestowitz[TR]	it was all platonic, also due to our age
[02:07]	schestowitz[TR]	like 15-17
[02:07]	ender2070_16bit	now im on dating apps and i have nothing in common with these women
[02:07]	DaemonFC	They figured out the Buick emissions problem. That's solved.
[02:07]	techuser	I don't expect to meet anyone irl
[02:08]	schestowitz[TR]	girld I knew from work were more compatible
[02:08]	schestowitz[TR]	the "first girldfriend" thing, she contacted me before my wedding
[02:08]	schestowitz[TR]	so clearly she was still stalking me 15 years later
[02:08]	techuser	if I want sex I can masturbate, though need to get rid of this habit if possible at some point
[02:08]	schestowitz[TR]	after the wedding another girlfriend of mine (we met as she was a neighbour) wrote to me
[02:08]	schestowitz[TR]	she was back in chian by then
[02:09]	DaemonFC	These people on that Predator show made a lot of obvious mistakes.
[02:09]	schestowitz[TR]	girls stalk guys online
[02:09]	ender2070_16bit	guys stalk girls too
[02:09]	schestowitz[TR]	but there's this stigma or "pervy" guys stalking girls
[02:09]	DaemonFC	Chief among them was planning to trespass in another person's house.
[02:09]	schestowitz[TR]	*of
[02:09]	DaemonFC	That's actually worse than the sex offense, as far as consequences go.
[02:10]	DaemonFC	Even if it was real, if dad shows up and shoots you, nobody is going to convict dad.
[02:10]	Helenah	hmm
[02:10]	Helenah	:3
[02:10]		*Helenah gives DaemonFC a hamper of chocolates
[02:10]	schestowitz[TR]	people you "meet" online = almost always disappointment
[02:10]		*Helenah gives schestowitz[TR] a hamper of chocolates
[02:10]	schestowitz[TR]	for dating anyway
[02:10]		*Helenah gives ender2070_16bit a hamper of chocolates
[02:10]	Helenah	Hi hi
[02:10]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe not for collaboration etc.
[02:10]	techuser	so probably going to sleep now
[02:10]		*Helenah gives techuser a hamper of chocolates
[02:10]	DaemonFC	There was this case in Texas a few months ago where a woman caught a man having sex with her teenage daughter.
[02:11]	DaemonFC	So she ran over him with their car.
[02:11]	DaemonFC	Nobody even filed charges against her for doing that.
[02:11]	ender2070_16bit	hey Helenah!
[02:11]	Helenah	Hi :D
[02:11]	schestowitz[TR]	0/
[02:11]	DaemonFC	It's Texas. They know the jury won't cooperate.
[02:11]	ender2070_16bit	im starstreak in windows 3.11/16-bit mirc
[02:11]	Helenah	I want a bit off the rails on another IRC network.... :/
[02:11]	TR News	Stop uploading photos to ZuckerCreep for merely some useless effects you can apply offline anyway https://www.maketecheasier.com/search-camera-filters-effects-instagram/
[02:11]	TR Bot	 How to Search for and Use Camera Filters and Effects on Instagram - Make Tech Easier
[02:12]	starstreak	Helenah, https://i.imgur.com/dIl43xx.png
[02:12]		*Helenah clickifies
[02:12]	schestowitz[TR]	ender2070_16bit: I assume you cannot be winnuked there
[02:12]	schestowitz[TR]	as it's a VM
[02:12]	schestowitz[TR]	or simialr
[02:12]	Helenah	Ooooooh nostalgia!
[02:13]	Helenah	Too bad it's Windows
[02:13]	ender2070_16bit	i dont know actually
[02:13]	Helenah	:(
[02:13]	ender2070_16bit	windows 3.11 is probably vulnerable to stuff
[02:13]	Helenah	Me want no windows, no gates.
[02:13]	schestowitz[TR]	otherwise I'd send you a packet
[02:13]	ender2070_16bit	lol
[02:13]	Helenah	Just doors and penguins to walk through them.
[02:13]	ender2070_16bit	it IS a vm running DOS 6.22 and Win3.11
[02:13]	schestowitz[TR]	The Doors
[02:13]	Helenah	Ah
[02:13]	schestowitz[TR]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8lVqEchxIxw
[02:14]	TR Bot	 The Doors - Touch Me - Invidious
[02:14]	Helenah	I just wanna............. GNU/Linux
[02:14]	Helenah	:D
[02:14]	starstreak	Helenah, https://winworldpc.com/library/operating-systems <--- a great place for retro stuff
[02:14]	TR Bot	 WinWorld: Library
[02:14]	ender2070_16bit	you can find retro versions of linux there
[02:15]	Helenah	Okay I'll install it inside a VM ender2070_16bit but only because it's soo old and won't spy on me and steal my files and all that stuff, you know?
[02:15]	ender2070_16bit	lol
[02:15]	ender2070_16bit	i use arch btw, it doesnt do those things either
[02:15]	Helenah	Me too
[02:15]	Helenah	and devuan
[02:16]	ender2070_16bit	i know lol
[02:16]		*ender2070_16bit is starstreak
[02:16]	Helenah	Yeah I'm too stoned to keep tabs on everyone around here...
[02:16]	ender2070_16bit	i dont mind systemd so i use centos stream 9 for servers
[02:16]	ender2070_16bit	i love firewalld
[02:17]	Helenah	iptables here
[02:17]	TR News	A fuzzy issue of responsible disclosure [LWN] https://lwn.net/Articles/904293/ Source: LWN | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lwn.net/Articles/904293/
[02:17]	TR Bot	fuzzy issue of responsible disclosure [LWN.net]
[02:17]	ender2070_16bit	firewalld is a noob frontend for iptables
[02:17]	Helenah	Ah
[02:17]	Helenah	sysvinit and openrc here.
[02:17]	schestowitz[TR]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=HqKXXiNl3TQ
[02:17]	TR Bot	 The Best Of The Doors - Invidious
[02:17]	Helenah	and systemd
[02:18]	Helenah	I'm moving my arch systems to artix.
[02:18]	Helenah	I'll be down to sysvinit and openrc then.
[02:18]	ender2070_16bit	i can get a VM for $1/month with 512mb ram so systemd isnt such a big deal anymore
[02:18]	Helenah	Don't run systemd on that!
[02:18]	Helenah	lol
[02:19]	TR News	Tornado Cash and collateral damage [LWN] https://lwn.net/Articles/904960/ Source: LWN | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lwn.net/Articles/904960/
[02:19]	TR Bot	Cash and collateral damage [LWN.net]
[02:19]	ender2070_16bit	why not
[02:19]	schestowitz[TR]	artix is good
[02:19]	ender2070_16bit	last time i had a vm, a centos system with systemd used around 130mb ram
[02:19]	Helenah	systemd eats resources like candy and you only got 512 MB RAM
[02:19]	ender2070_16bit	with cjdns and znc
[02:19]	Helenah	systemd isn't an init system, it's a suite of system utilities, one being the init system.
[02:20]	ender2070_16bit	i know
[02:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[02:20]	Helenah	Up to you but don't be surprised.
[02:20]	ender2070_16bit	it really doesnt use *that* much ram
[02:20]	ender2070_16bit	im not trying to squeeze everything into a 128mb ram vm
[02:20]	TR News	 (UPDATED): Linux 6 RC1 (Many Updates, UPDATEDx9) https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Linus_Torvalds_Linux_6_0_rc1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/15/Linus_Torvalds_Linux_6_0_rc1.gmi 
[02:20]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Linux 6 RC1 (Many Updates, UPDATEDx9)
[02:20]	Helenah	I don't know I had to remove it from my IRC servers because it filled up a chunk of the 128 MB RAM
[02:21]	Helenah	Now the servers only use around 64 MB RAM each.
[02:21]	ender2070_16bit	yeah thats good
[02:21]	schestowitz[TR]	are they hosted at home?
[02:22]	Helenah	schestowitz[TR]: On my hypervisor.
[02:22]	ender2070_16bit	is your hypervisor at home?
[02:22]	Helenah	No, dc.
[02:22]	schestowitz[TR]	my rasdpi server uses 750MB of RAM atm
[02:22]	Helenah	Ah
[02:22]	schestowitz[TR]	file server+webserver(nginx)+gemini+ipfs..
[02:23]	loner	my distro, with ssh active and nfs mounted requires 32MiB RAM
[02:23]	schestowitz[TR]	but this time I booted it into a desktop env too
[02:23]	Helenah	I even have a web server using only around 20 MB RAM of 32 MB RAM
[02:23]	ender2070_16bit	i had ssh+cjdns+znc+systemd running around 130MB
[02:24]	Helenah	That's good going!
[02:24]	schestowitz[TR]	ipfs can take up 400mb, but that varies
[02:24]	Helenah	I am a low footprint person.
[02:24]	ender2070_16bit	i wonder if i should put my collection of conspiracy books on ipfs
[02:25]	XRevan86	britney: i still have my six digit ICQ number (yes ICQ is still around)" <- Did ye confirm your phone number there?
[02:25]	Helenah	Try sleeping outside and you will appreciate life more and understand what it means to be low footprint.
[02:26]	ender2070_16bit	XRevan86: I wasn't asked for a phone number
[02:26]	TR News	ZDNet is NOT dead. 3 "Linux" articles in past 9 days. Used to be 3 per day ;-)(
[02:26]	XRevan86	"firewalld is a noob frontend for iptables" <- For nftables.
[02:27]	schestowitz[TR]	I think in icq I'm a 5-digit number
[02:27]	ender2070_16bit	nice!
[02:27]	schestowitz[TR]	I cannot even recall my username
[02:27]	ender2070_16bit	you can login with the number
[02:27]	XRevan86	britney: They require it these days.
[02:27]		*schestowitz[TR] checks notes
[02:27]	XRevan86	Unless they dropped the requirement for whatever reason.
[02:27]	ender2070_16bit	XRevan86: I use pidgin with the new icq protocol plugin, nothing asked me for a phone number
[02:28]	ender2070_16bit	i even used the ios app and same thing
[02:28]	ender2070_16bit	the problem is, nobody uses icq anymore so theres no point lol
[02:28]	schestowitz[TR]	"-See what happens with old 166 MMX computer which is unused. Consider taking it as only problem is modem contacts. If taken, fetch keyboard, (mouse) and wires as well. Extra PB monitor is already in possession. see if old files, ICQ and E-mail can be dug up."
[02:28]	schestowitz[TR]	2003 notes
[02:28]	schestowitz[TR]	I wanted to excavate m,y old computer 19 years ago
[02:28]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe with irc stuff on it
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[02:29]	ender2070_16bit	its a shame i deleted my old files
[02:29]	schestowitz[TR]	I wonder if https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirabilis_(company) kept full logs
[02:29]	TR Bot	 Mirabilis (company) - Wikipedia
[02:29]	schestowitz[TR]	and, if so, what happened to them
[02:29]	schestowitz[TR]	they can use them as dirt on people who are not much older
[02:29]	schestowitz[TR]	imagine they selling them to you
[02:30]	schestowitz[TR]	very old chats
[02:30]	ender2070_16bit	all they got is teenage me talking to girls online lol
[02:31]	schestowitz[TR]	you never know
[02:31]	schestowitz[TR]	how thee things can be weaponised
[02:31]	XRevan86	britney: I mean, there's always FSB to talk to :)
[02:31]	schestowitz[TR]	when social control is taken up a notch
[02:31]	schestowitz[TR]	to classify people
[02:31]	ender2070_16bit	lol XRevan86
[02:31]	schestowitz[TR]	to be clear, I didn't do anything illegal in irc
[02:31]	schestowitz[TR]	but I'm sure many did
[02:31]	schestowitz[TR]	and they don't need to use illegal things
[02:32]	XRevan86	Do I count?
[02:32]	schestowitz[TR]	they can use "embrassing"
[02:33]	schestowitz[TR]	same for browsing history, email..
[02:33]	XRevan86	britney: This reminds me that there was a case where as evidence the prosecution provided ICQ private messages obtained by unknown means.
[02:33]	schestowitz[TR]	everyone onm the planet once upon a time landed on some nazi site, even by sheer sderendipity
[02:33]	schestowitz[TR]	in EPO we saw how such stuff gets weaponised even to discredit judges
[02:34]	ender2070_16bit	I once had a conversation with Andrian Lamo over AIM
[02:34]	ender2070_16bit	we used the encryption plugin in pidgin
[02:34]	schestowitz[TR]	he spoke to me in twitter
[02:34]	schestowitz[TR]	before he died
[02:34]	schestowitz[TR]	Adrian
[02:35]	schestowitz[TR]	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Lamo
[02:35]	TR Bot	 Adrian Lamo - Wikipedia
[02:35]	schestowitz[TR]	what's the latest?
[02:35]	schestowitz[TR]	"Despite a complete autopsy and supplemental testing, no definitive cause of death was identified."
[02:35]	schestowitz[TR]	http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article210989594.html
[02:35]	schestowitz[TR]	https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4498280/Adrian-20-Lamo.pdf
[02:36]	schestowitz[TR]	why does Wikipediaa have such a long article about him?
[02:36]	schestowitz[TR]	comes to show hoiw stupid wikipedia is
[02:36]	schestowitz[TR]	it's not like he's a very important person
[02:36]	schestowitz[TR]	I know people who get people to write extensive wikipedia pages about themselves
[02:36]	schestowitz[TR]	toi make them LOOK important
[02:36]	ender2070_16bit	there was this really good documentary which included Andrian Lamo called "Hackers Wanted" and it made me find him
[02:37]	schestowitz[TR]	"b"
[02:37]	schestowitz[TR]	"Lamo was best known for reporting U.S. soldier Chelsea Manning to Army criminal investigators in 2010"
[02:37]	schestowitz[TR]	This was his claim to fame
[02:37]	schestowitz[TR]	beign a rat
[02:37]	Helenah	Mew
[02:37]	schestowitz[TR]	*being
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[02:37]	schestowitz[TR]	apparently with tantoo fbi somethiong
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[02:37]	ender2070_16bit	i love Chelsea Manning
[02:37]	XRevan86	> ICQ < https://zona.media/news/2018/05/17/ispyonyou >
[02:37]	schestowitz[TR]	being turned into asset, allagedly
[02:37]	XRevan86	Found it.
[02:37]	schestowitz[TR]	*llgedly
[02:38]	schestowitz[TR]	"Lamo was a grey hat hacker who viewed the rise of the World Wide Web with a mixture of excitement and alarm. "
[02:38]	schestowitz[TR]	This is not info
[02:38]	schestowitz[TR]	this is promotional prose
[02:38]	schestowitz[TR]	an obituary
[02:38]	Helenah	I <3 my cat, he's loyal to me. :3
[02:38]	schestowitz[TR]	in wikipedia
[02:38]	Helenah	He follows me everywhere.
[02:39]	Helenah	I treat him like a baby.
[02:39]	schestowitz[TR]	wikipedia's demise makes me sad, I gave them lots of links
[02:39]	Helenah	<3
[02:39]	ender2070_16bit	i love cats
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[02:39]	schestowitz[TR]	our neighbours' cats come here
[02:39]	schestowitz[TR]	we pat them, let them off
[02:39]	Helenah	ender2070_16bit: He follows me to the shop!
[02:39]	Helenah	:D
[02:39]	schestowitz[TR]	no responsibility needed
[02:39]	Helenah	And I let him do it!!! :D
[02:39]	schestowitz[TR]	no fur in the home
[02:39]	ender2070_16bit	:D
[02:39]	Helenah	Then he waits outside the shop for me!
[02:40]	Helenah	It's like having a dog on a lead exept it's a cat that acts as your companion! :D
[02:40]	Helenah	I fuckin' <3 him!
[02:40]	ender2070_16bit	thats so cute
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[02:40]	Helenah	Yeah :D
[02:40]	schestowitz[TR]	yo dawg, i heard you hed cats!
[02:40]	Helenah	There is even a main road, he like... waits for cars to go by before crossing, what a smart cat!
[02:40]	Helenah	Anyway...
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[02:41]	Helenah	I can't reproduce and like I love him like he's offspring, he's soo lovely <3
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[02:41]	Helenah	He's called George
[02:41]	schestowitz[TR]	cats are vicious animals:-)
[02:41]	Helenah	Or Georgeeeeeeeee
[02:41]	schestowitz[TR]	big cats are bigly vicious animals
[02:41]	Helenah	because cats respond better to that in like a high pitch
[02:41]	schestowitz[TR]	they gang up on harmless large mammals
[02:42]	ender2070_16bit	i had a cat named Xenu, i named her after scientology's devil
[02:42]	Helenah	schestowitz[TR]: He has a bell.
[02:42]	ender2070_16bit	Lord Xenu
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[02:42]	Helenah	So no bird killing.
[02:42]	schestowitz[TR]	ender@xenu # du
[02:42]	ender2070_16bit	lol
[02:43]	Helenah	I respect the environment and domesticated cats are an imbalance in the eco system, they are by nature bigger than that, they are now at a bigger advantage because of their tiny lightweight bodies.
[02:43]	ender2070_16bit	my hostname is actually "archbtw"
[02:43]	Helenah	People don't think of this but it's true!
[02:43]	Helenah	They're a man made speices...
[02:43]	schestowitz[TR]	"i use archbtw btw'
[02:43]	Helenah	They have been bred by humans to be that way.
[02:43]	ender2070_16bit	LOL
[02:44]	Helenah	So I think humans should take full responsibility for what they created.
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[02:44]	loner	cats eat squirrels, they're brutal
[02:44]	schestowitz[TR]	'created'
[02:44]	Helenah	But yeah he's sweeeeeeet :3
[02:44]	schestowitz[TR]	selective breeding
[02:44]	Helenah	loner: Yeah but mine can't because he has a bell.
[02:44]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ is just angry that free speech finds a way.
[02:44]	schestowitz[TR]	taking oddball small ones
[02:44]	schestowitz[TR]	iterating over and over
[02:44]	DaemonFC	I haven't seen any strong evidence that even Kiwi Farms has driven anyone to suicide.
[02:44]	schestowitz[TR]	until the animals cannot even give natural birth
[02:44]	Helenah	The point of the bell is so nearby creatures can hear the cat approaching.
[02:45]	schestowitz[TR]	and struggle to beathe
[02:45]	schestowitz[TR]	*breathe
[02:45]	DaemonFC	One of the three possible examples listed on Wikipedia was a pseudonym of a person who may or may not have ever existed.
[02:46]	DaemonFC	The administrator of the site tells another story completely.
[02:46]	XRevan86	https://theins.press/en/news/254332
[02:46]	DaemonFC	One of being "deplatformed" by Cancel Culture people and constant harassment via lawsuit.
[02:47]	XRevan86	https://theins.press/en/news/254342
[02:47]	DaemonFC	It may be better to revive the site as a Tor Hidden Service.
[02:47]	DaemonFC	That would make it harder to take down.
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[02:47]	DaemonFC	They haven't actually done anything illegal, but people like GULAG don't care about that.
[02:47]	starstreak	Hackers Wanted (Documentary): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn3ooBnShtY
[02:47]	TR Bot	https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=Mn3ooBnShtY
[02:47]	XRevan86	"One nation, one president, one victory Politicians and propagandists turn Dugina's memorial service into a pro-war rally"
[02:47]	TR Bot	( status 502 @ https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=Mn3ooBnShtY )
[02:48]	XRevan86	"Missing anti-Kadyrov Telegram chat moderator killed, Team Against Torture lawyer says"
[02:49]	schestowitz[TR]	if gulag bans you, you are guilty
[02:49]	Helenah	I think I got the black lung...
[02:49]	schestowitz[TR]	what schmidt said
[02:49]	Helenah	Just kidding but...
[02:49]	Helenah	I'm doing a lot of coughing like cause I smoke
[02:49]	XRevan86	"One nation, one president, one victory" <- The new head of LDPR (the party of Zhirinovsky) gets it.
[02:49]	Helenah	big black phlems are coming up, I need to quit, I seriously need to quit...
[02:49]	schestowitz[TR]	https://video.danielpocock.com/Eric-Schmidt.mp4
[02:49]	Helenah	I've had this before...
[02:50]	Helenah	I stopped smoking for a bit and they got healthier looking until they were back to healthy.
[02:50]	Helenah	But yeah my phlem is black currently.
[02:50]	AdmFubar	yummy
[02:50]	Helenah	AdmFubar: What is? Black phlem? o.o
[02:51]	schestowitz[TR]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=rXHnijzImE0
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● Aug 25
[03:01]	DaemonFC	https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-man-accused-threatening-conservative-convention-rcna44157
[03:01]	TR Bot	 Texas man accused of threatening conservative convention
[03:01]	schestowitz[TR]	g conservative convention
[03:01]	schestowitz[TR]	code for coup plot
[03:01]	schestowitz[TR]	threatening to overthrow the government?
[03:02]	DaemonFC	The FBI arrested a leftist Latino teenager for threatening mass murder.
[03:02]	DaemonFC	So, uhhhh.
[03:02]	DaemonFC	It was their terrorism task force that got him.
[03:02]	DaemonFC	"Velasquez was arrested in San Antonio and charged with making threatening interstate communications. He was also charged with possession of child pornography for images allegedly found on his phone."
[03:03]		*DaemonFC laughs
[03:03]	schestowitz[TR]	FBI to GOP: no, we are not biased
[03:03]	schestowitz[TR]	"we also entrap brown people"
[03:03]	DaemonFC	They also found child porn on his phone.
[03:03]	DaemonFC	Maybe mjg59_ can petititon to remove "LatinoZoomer" from Shitter.
[03:04]	DaemonFC	From his ShitHub account, of course.
[03:04]	schestowitz[TR]	they often seem to add some CP on top of it
[03:04]	schestowitz[TR]	to make sure nobody online would express sympathy
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[03:04]	Helenah	tut tut tut tut
[03:04]	Helenah	Windows 11 sounds a mess!
[03:04]	Helenah	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_11
[03:04]	TR Bot	 Windows 11 - Wikipedia
[03:04]	schestowitz[TR]	it''s Vista 11
[03:04]	schestowitz[TR]	the service pack of Vists 10
[03:04]	schestowitz[TR]	to make it seem like something new gets made
[03:05]	schestowitz[TR]	it's "mojave experiment II"
[03:05]	schestowitz[TR]	Wikipedia is gamed by Microsoft
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[03:05]	schestowitz[TR]	never look up Microsoft products names in wikipedia
[03:05]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2008/12/05/waggener-edstrom-wikipedia/
[03:05]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Agents from Waggener Edstrom Airbrush Wikipedia, Glorify Paymaster | Techrights
[03:05]	schestowitz[TR]	military-grade propaagnda
[03:05]	schestowitz[TR]	literally connected to the US military
[03:05]	schestowitz[TR]	Shaw/WER
[03:05]	schestowitz[TR]	*E-W
[03:06]	Helenah	Read it though and you'll see why it's bad... the differences from that and Windows 10...
[03:06]	schestowitz[TR]	*W-E rather
[03:06]	Helenah	Windows gets worse by version...
[03:06]	schestowitz[TR]	it's written by Microsoft
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[03:06]	schestowitz[TR]	by proxy
[03:06]	schestowitz[TR]	oe edited 
[03:06]	schestowitz[TR]	like, delete what they don't like
[03:06]	schestowitz[TR]	only let the flattering things stay
[03:06]	Helenah	Well if so then they've brought themselves down, shot themselves in the foot, wrote negative shit about themselves.
[03:06]	DaemonFC	First they came for the Social Justice Warriors, and I said nothing because I was not a Social Justice Warrior. Then they came for the groomers, and I said nothing, because I was not a groomer. Then they came for the left-wing Latino terrorist, and I said nothing because I was not a left-wing Latino terrorist. And then they came for the child pornographers. And I again said nothing, because I wasn't a child pornographer.
[03:06]	schestowitz[TR]	that's collaboration -- the Microsoft way
[03:06]	DaemonFC	:P
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[03:07]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: you know, I went to the gym today
[03:07]	schestowitz[TR]	first time in 15 months
[03:07]	Helenah	Like...
[03:07]	schestowitz[TR]	we're not getting back there
[03:08]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ is arguing for canceling the people who point out that most of the people who go away for CP are, uhhhh, not conservatives.
[03:08]	Helenah	The crazy thing is...
[03:08]	DaemonFC	:)
[03:08]	schestowitz[TR]	will still work out from home
[03:08]	schestowitz[TR]	COVID-19 killed it for us
[03:08]	Helenah	This is a repeat of the Windows 98 situation
[03:08]	schestowitz[TR]	WIndows ME
[03:08]	Helenah	Which caused landfill to be full of i486 machines overnight!
[03:08]	Helenah	They're doing it again...
[03:08]	schestowitz[TR]	with TPM
[03:08]	Helenah	Which means more waste...
[03:08]	schestowitz[TR]	they won't pull this off
[03:09]	Helenah	And CPU gen too
[03:09]	DaemonFC	Why would you toss a 486 in the landfill? It should run Windows 98 just fine after removing the Antitrust bullshit and turning it back into a glorified Windows 95.
[03:09]	Helenah	I'm not happy about this.
[03:09]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/08/23/12-months-later-vista-11-still-mia-very-small-share-and-in-some-places-vista-7-has-higher-share-than-vista-10/
[03:09]	TR Bot	 12 Months Later Vista 11 Still MIA (Very Small Share) and in Some Places Vista 7 Has Higher Share Than Vista 10! | Techrights
[03:09]	Helenah	DaemonFC: Because people want more.
[03:09]	Helenah	All the time they want more
[03:09]	Helenah	And Microsoft know this
[03:09]	schestowitz[TR]	no
[03:09]	schestowitz[TR]	they buy a new PC
[03:09]	Helenah	So what happens is you obsolete hardware overnight
[03:09]	schestowitz[TR]	the old one broke
[03:10]	schestowitz[TR]	and new ones will force them to get an OS they do not want
[03:10]	Helenah	and people will bow down to you and buy a new PC
[03:10]	schestowitz[TR]	that's not free market
[03:10]	schestowitz[TR]	it's a cartel
[03:10]	Helenah	And so landfill gets filled with a generation of PCs
[03:10]	Helenah	And I'm not happy about that...
[03:10]	DaemonFC	https://nitter.it/QuarantinedCoof/status/1560642098667261957#m
[03:10]	TR Bot	(@QuarantinedCoof): "I'm noticing a pattern. Baked Alaska - Jan 6th, assault, vandalism Ethan Ralph - Revenge porn Big Tech - Domestic violence, Child abuse Latino Zoomer - Terroristic threats, Child pornography"|nitter.it
[03:10]	Helenah	Plus I never liked how Windows nannied the user.
[03:11]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/01/02/article-on-digital-rights-in-2021-part-9/
[03:11]	TR Bot	 My Year as a Digital Vegan Part IX Hard Reckonings: The Nine Circles of E-Waste | Techrights
[03:11]	Helenah	GNU/Linux <3
[03:11]	Helenah	I got a teddy collection
[03:11]	Helenah	I've yet to add a tux to it! :(
[03:12]	Helenah	A good old plain tux, no fancy bells and whistles like a red hat on its head.
[03:12]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe gnu
[03:12]	schestowitz[TR]	https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Gift
[03:12]	Helenah	Yeah :D
[03:12]	TR Bot	 Gift - Free Software Directory
[03:13]	schestowitz[TR]	https://shop.fsf.org/
[03:13]	TR Bot	 FSF Shop
[03:13]	Helenah	You remember back when Mandriva was called Mandrake? They had a store and on that store they were selling these HUGE and I'm not kidding, they were the best tux on the market, tux penguin teddies! :D
[03:13]	schestowitz[TR]	$35.00 for a tshirt
[03:14]	DaemonFC	I don't know what these people are so angry about.
[03:14]	Helenah	And they were a popular buyers choice.
[03:14]	schestowitz[TR]	that probaby costs 2 dollars at most to make in Bangladesh 
[03:14]	schestowitz[TR]	made by workers who are paid under $2 for a whole day
[03:14]	DaemonFC	A lot of them have more money than me, they're half my age with their entire life ahead of them, they look better than I do.
[03:14]	Helenah	schestowitz[TR]: Agreed
[03:14]	DaemonFC	What's there to be mad about?
[03:14]	Helenah	But people will try and justify it
[03:15]	Helenah	They'll try and justify the markup on the t-shirt price.
[03:15]	schestowitz[TR]	https://shop.fsf.org/gear/stuffed-baby-gnu
[03:15]	TR Bot	 Stuffed Baby Gnu | FSF Shop
[03:15]	schestowitz[TR]	25 dollars
[03:15]	schestowitz[TR]	let's compare to ebaty
[03:15]	DaemonFC	The nutty thing about being pissed off is telling people you're about to kill people.
[03:16]	DaemonFC	I mean, do you want to be arrested for doing it or for talking about it?
[03:16]	DaemonFC	Then again, half the time the cops are so fucking retarded that they miss people like Robert Crimo and issue them gun permits after they know what they are.
[03:17]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/155027356018
[03:17]	TR Bot	 PAPO Wild Animal Kingdom Gnu Toy Figure 3465000501013 | eBay
[03:17]	DaemonFC	You notice how they just let things like this happen and then they happen to have a 1,400 page gun bill ready to pass in the middle of the night? And even if it doesn't pass, that's fine because the State Police will use it as an excuse for gun confiscation anyway?
[03:18]	DaemonFC	You don't write bills this long in the 1-2 days after a mass shooting. You write them and then you let something happen so you can pass them.
[03:18]	DaemonFC	That's how they did the PATRIOT ACT.
[03:18]	schestowitz[TR]	rapberry pi 4 on sale... ripoffs now
[03:18]	schestowitz[TR]	due tto shortages
[03:18]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/195306794107
[03:18]	TR Bot	 Raspberry Pi 4 Model B With 8GB Ram | eBay
[03:18]	schestowitz[TR]	more than twice original RRP
[03:19]	DaemonFC	The State of Illinois wanted the Highland Park Shooting to happen. Why else would they have issued a FOID card to a guy they'd already removed weapons from twice and taken to be "observed" after suicidal threats, who was kicked out of high school for having a "kill book" complete with drawing pictures of himself killing his classmates.
[03:19]	DaemonFC	Makes no sense at all.
[03:19]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/144662441640
[03:19]	TR Bot	 Raspberry Pi 4 Model B - 4GB Ram - Brand New In sealed Box | eBay
[03:19]	schestowitz[TR]	96 pounds
[03:19]	schestowitz[TR]	used to be 45 or 25 IIRC
[03:19]	schestowitz[TR]	or 35
[03:19]	schestowitz[TR]	same thing, 3 years later... 3 times the price
[03:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[03:20]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], The air conditioner is drawing in the neighbor's nasty cigarettes.
[03:20]	DaemonFC	Ick.
[03:20]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/295180439681  < USED ones still for MORE than the NEW thing
[03:20]	TR Bot	 Raspberry Pi 4 Model B 8GB RAM FULLY WORKING With Argon One Case | eBay
[03:20]	schestowitz[TR]	so you sell your used pi for more than you got it for!
[03:20]	Helenah	Did I show my nails? :3 https://i.imgur.com/6qxQIhd.jpg
[03:20]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225130574560   77 pounds for USED one
[03:20]	TR Bot	 Raspberry Pi 4 Model B 8GB RAM Single Board Computer with case and fan | eBay
[03:22]	schestowitz[TR]	roy's nails  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Spijkers_%28Nails%29.jpg/220px-Spijkers_%28Nails%29.jpg
[03:22]	ender2070_16bit	i wouldn't mind owning a raspi 4
[03:22]	ender2070_16bit	but im thinking rock64 might be a better option
[03:22]	schestowitz[TR]	they became expensive
[03:23]	ender2070_16bit	:(
[03:23]	schestowitz[TR]	like half the price of a decent laptop
[03:23]	schestowitz[TR]	and a laptop has keyboard, screen, more
[03:23]	schestowitz[TR]	webcam, mic..
[03:23]	schestowitz[TR]	fans!
[03:23]	schestowitz[TR]	battery!!
[03:23]	schestowitz[TR]	so it works without power (outages)
[03:24]	starstreak	https://www.pine64.org/devices/single-board-computers/rock64/
[03:24]	TR Bot	 ROCK64 | PINE64
[03:24]	schestowitz[TR]	rianne managed to get a raspi400 before the price soared completely
[03:24]	ender2070_16bit	nice
[03:24]	schestowitz[TR]	now 104, just for the base unit https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334285996791?epid=6042469748
[03:24]	TR Bot	 Raspberry Pi 400 Computer Kit UK Keyboard Layout 633696492981 | eBay
[03:25]	ender2070_16bit	a raspi400 is nice but I'd want to use my own keyboard
[03:25]	ender2070_16bit	i have a nice clicky mechanical one
[03:25]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Mostly I like the VPN and HTTPS-only Mode and not using GULAG directly for anything because I don't want it to be logged with GULAG when I become interested in something.
[03:25]	schestowitz[TR]	even used ones now cost more than what she paid https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115500193543?
[03:25]	TR Bot	 Raspberry Pi 400 (microSD, Broadcom BCM2711, 1.80 GHz, 4GB, US layout) Keyboard | eBay
[03:25]	schestowitz[TR]	she paid in february
[03:25]	schestowitz[TR]	just before putler diddled with his ...
[03:25]	ender2070_16bit	lol
[03:25]	DaemonFC	I mean, if you're interested in something that's not illegal but it could be used to embarrass you or justify additional surveillance you don't know about....
[03:26]	DaemonFC	Why would you want GULAG to know about it?
[03:26]	DaemonFC	The government doesn't necessarily need to have anything damning on you to start watching you more.
[03:26]	schestowitz[TR]	https://video.danielpocock.com/Eric-Schmidt.mp4
[03:26]	schestowitz[TR]	mind controls
[03:27]	DaemonFC	And it can make bad things happen that seem totally random.
[03:27]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Like, you end up on their shitlist and your license plate goes by a cop car.
[03:27]	DaemonFC	You start getting tickets every time you're out.
[03:27]	DaemonFC	Coincidence?
[03:27]	schestowitz[TR]	the tickets are love letters
[03:28]	ender2070_16bit	eric schmidt is a piece of work
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[03:28]	DaemonFC	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=aNFbYEKm3qg
[03:28]	TR Bot	 Latino Zoomer Reading my awesome Quote - Invidious
[03:28]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Does this guy not seem weird?
[03:29]	DaemonFC	I think this must have been a few years before they busted him last week.
[03:29]	DaemonFC	They said he turned 19 on the day they arrested him (Friday).
[03:29]	phanes	https://youtu.be/uXzhx1gQY8A
[03:29]	TR Bot	https://invidious.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=uXzhx1gQY8A
[03:29]	TR Bot	inv.bp.projectsegfau.lt | Top 5 Best Dash Cam for Police Encounter & Stops in 2022 (Buying Guide & Review) - Invidious
[03:29]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Emphasis on 23 seconds into the video.
[03:31]	DaemonFC	"*laughs creepily* Nice private parts I can play with!" then near the end "Respectful of minorities and a Christian."
[03:31]	DaemonFC	"threatened SAS tampa and got arrested and they found cheese pizza on his phone"
[03:32]	DaemonFC	So that's how people are getting by GULAG Tube's censor bot now.
[03:32]	DaemonFC	CP - Cheese Pizza
[03:33]	ender2070_16bit	oh yay my eyes are fucked
[03:34]	schestowitz[TR]	""Um, no, a box of frozen pizza rolls is not $22
[03:34]		*ender2070_16bit gets glasses
[03:34]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.vice.com/en/article/j5bax7/bill-gates-is-adorably-terrible-at-guessing-the-cost-of-everyday-groceries
[03:34]	TR Bot	 Bill Gates Is Adorably Terrible at Guessing the Cost of Everyday Groceries
[03:34]	schestowitz[TR]	Bill is like all of us :-)
[03:34]	schestowitz[TR]	MSM
[03:34]	schestowitz[TR]	funded by Bill
[03:34]	schestowitz[TR]	"Adorably Terrible"
[03:34]	schestowitz[TR]	adorable!!
[03:34]	DaemonFC	Yes, Bill Gates is adorable
[03:34]	schestowitz[TR]	adorable thieves
[03:34]	schestowitz[TR]	adorable
[03:35]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bills-friendship-with-epstein-helped-drive-us-to-divorce-says-melinda-gates-7dxqptp96
[03:35]	schestowitz[TR]	adorable
[03:35]	TR Bot	 Bills friendship with Epstein helped drive us to divorce, says Melinda Gates | News | The Times
[03:35]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html
[03:35]	TR Bot	 Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His Past - The New York Times
[03:35]	schestowitz[TR]	adorable
[03:35]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/08/23/jim-admires-bill/
[03:35]	TR Bot	 Sheela Microsoft (Zemlin) Does Not Like Linux and Jim Zemlin Idolises Bill Gates | Techrights
[03:35]	schestowitz[TR]	adorable
[03:35]	schestowitz[TR]	what jim zemlin called his daughter
[03:35]	schestowitz[TR]	"adorable"
[03:35]	ender2070_16bit	bill gates is going to give all his money away to charity and thats because the divorce will end up costing him 50%
[03:35]	schestowitz[TR]	in TED talk
[03:36]	ender2070_16bit	if he spends it before the divorce goes to court he wont have any money to give her
[03:36]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XTHdcmjenI
[03:36]	TR Bot	https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=7XTHdcmjenI
[03:36]	TR Bot	not resolve host: tube.cthd.icu; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=7XTHdcmjenI )
[03:36]	schestowitz[TR]	if you search gulag for anything "bill gates" they will tell you alll abot "conspiracy theories"
[03:36]	schestowitz[TR]	amplifying the nonsense
[03:37]	schestowitz[TR]	to distract from legit criticism
[03:37]	schestowitz[TR]	gulag is an oligarch's buddy
[03:37]	schestowitz[TR]	unless you are RUSSIAN oligarhs
[03:37]	schestowitz[TR]	does sergei brin count as russian oligarchs?
[03:37]	schestowitz[TR]	he is richa dn born in moscow
[03:38]	schestowitz[TR]	"search engines" became just filters
[03:38]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe they used to strive to be actual search sites
[03:38]	schestowitz[TR]	now it's another layer of social control
[03:38]	ender2070_16bit	apparently chrome won't support ad blockers after january
[03:38]	ender2070_16bit	i wonder if brave will be effected
[03:40]	ender2070_16bit	it has its own ad blocker but i use ublock origin
[03:40]	schestowitz[TR]	www needs to die already
[03:40]	schestowitz[TR]	it's drm
[03:41]	schestowitz[TR]	it's forcing you to submit to CA cartel
[03:41]	schestowitz[TR]	it's bloated
[03:41]	schestowitz[TR]	it's a noise machine
[03:41]	schestowitz[TR]	we need alternatives to be adopted
[03:41]	schestowitz[TR]	gnunet is also interesting
[03:41]	schestowitz[TR]	but not stable yet
[03:41]	schestowitz[TR]	they did to tim b-l what they do to linus
[03:41]	schestowitz[TR]	w3c became like lf
[03:42]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web_Consortium
[03:42]	TR Bot	 World Wide Web Consortium - Techrights
[03:42]	schestowitz[TR]	also moz http://techrights.org/wiki/Mozilla
[03:42]	TR Bot	 Mozilla - Techrights
[03:43]	TR News	 (NEW): Robustel industrial IoT gateways run Debian-based OS, offer 5G, 4G LTE, LoRaWAN connectivity https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Robustel_industrial_IoT_gateways_run_Debian_based_OS_offer_5G_4.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Robustel_industrial_IoT_gateways_run_Debian_based_OS_offer_5G_4.gmi 
[03:43]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Robustel industrial IoT gateways run Debian-based OS, offer 5G, 4G LTE, LoRaWAN connectivity
[03:45]	DaemonFC	"I want to mention that while DT_HASH is very good at finding existing symbols, it performs badly with the missing ones. As you could see in the example with searching for "foobar", you need to walk through a random chain and compare strings only to bump into the STN_UNDEF. This becomes even worse in real life because symbols are searched in multiple shared libraries, so you'll have to walk multiple random chains."
[03:46]	DaemonFC	Brought to you by Fraunhofer? :P
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[03:47]	DaemonFC	They made MP3. A codec so advanced it didn't have any concept of seek tables.
[03:48]	DaemonFC	DAAAAAALEKS HAVE NO CONCEEEEEEPT OF ELEGAAAAAAAANCE!
[03:49]	DaemonFC	Apple's MP3 decoder still has only crude seeking support.
[03:49]	DaemonFC	It assumes all frames are the same size as the first one in the file.
[03:50]	DaemonFC	Which works out well when it's VBR and you'll be correct no more than about 15-20% of the time.
[03:50]		*darwin (~darwin@7d3n498busjrn.irc) has joined #techrights
[03:50]	TR News	 (NEW): Firefox 105 Beta Brings Memory Fixes, Two-Finger Swipe Back/Forward Gesture on Linux https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Firefox_105_Beta_Brings_Memory_Fixes_Two_Finger_Swipe_Gesture.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Firefox_105_Beta_Brings_Memory_Fixes_Two_Finger_Swipe_Gesture.gmi 
[03:50]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Firefox 105 Beta Brings Memory Fixes, Two-Finger Swipe Back/Forward Gesture on Linux
[03:50]	DaemonFC	The end result being the user clicks on the progress bar and ends up at a completely unexpected point in the file.
[03:51]	TR News	It hasn't even been 3 years since COVID-19 and at the gym (where I was for 20 years) they've already sacked/pushed out 3 administrators. It's insane.
[03:51]	DaemonFC	Every competently designed decoder walks the entire file in the background and builds a seek table that works. You can accomplish this in <1 second on almost any computer.
[03:52]	DaemonFC	It's not how the specification should have been designed, but there are ways to deal with it. Apparently a "trillion dollar company" can't do that.
[03:53]	TR News	2 days ago: "In the long run, when this is all over I think we will see a much larger percentage of Linux and Ope Source use, at least in Russia. Which too is unlikely to hurt the mentioned corporate players." http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/36793/
[03:53]	TR Bot	What part of open source do they not understand?: Red Hat moves out of Russia
[03:53]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz[TR]> it's forcing you to submit to CA cartel
[03:53]	DaemonFC	Let's Encrypt is a band-aid that's designed as an attack on CACert.
[03:53]	TR News	"I've just moved to Manjaro after an 11 hour upgrade of Linux Mint Cinnamon (20.3 to 21.0) left me with a broken desktop. For me it's a return to KDE, and I'm loving it." http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/36801/
[03:53]	TR Bot	I'm running Garuda on my laptop.: Garuda Linux: All-Rounder Distro Based on Arch Linux
[03:53]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ probably knows that even if he'd never say so.
[03:55]	DaemonFC	https://scontent-ord5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/300212903_519247640009382_3964893351813664494_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=aflEX6v1fJoAX_L6Bnk&_nc_ht=scontent-ord5-1.xx&oh=00_AT_6gTv_ZQZd2bg_RtZaZ-Ai8L206PQE7dMXF0yLPlQECA&oe=630BA9A3
[03:55]	ender2070_16bit	garuda linux eh, i use arch btw
[03:58]	DaemonFC	Liberals: Elon Musk is going to save the planet with the Teslas!
[03:58]	DaemonFC	https://nypost.com/2022/08/22/elon-musk-planes-9-minute-35-mile-flight-sparks-outrage/
[03:58]	TR Bot	 Elon Musk plane's 9-minute, 35-mile flight sparks outrage
[03:58]	starstreak	https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-based-visionfive-2-launched-on-kickstarter/
[03:58]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-based-visionfive-2-launched-on-kickstarter/ )
[03:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 11.36 k/sec., IPFS upstream 69.71 average k/sec., average swarm size 121.03
[03:59]	DaemonFC	https://nypost.com/2022/08/24/bidens-student-loan-forgiveness-is-just-joe-sticking-it-to-the-little-guy-again/
[03:59]	TR Bot	 Biden's student loan 'forgiveness' is just Joe sticking it to the little guy -- again
● Aug 25
[04:00]		*ender2070_16bit slaps techrights-ipfs-bot around a bit with a large trout
[04:00]	DaemonFC	"The reality is that its not the government forgiving debt but the US taxpayer being forced to cover it. And estimates show canceling $10,000 per borrower earning less than $125,000 will cost the country a whopping $300 billion and each US taxpayer around $2,000."
[04:00]	DaemonFC	I hope someone sues to block this.
[04:01]	DaemonFC	Since it costs every taxpayer money, every person who pays taxes in America is harmed and has standing to sue.
[04:01]	DaemonFC	There's also no provision in any law that gives Biden the authority to do this.
[04:02]	DaemonFC	The only law on student loan forgiveness is for people who attended a college that was taken to court by the DoJ for defrauding its students.
[04:02]	DaemonFC	Being an idiot and signing a loan document does not make the loan a "fraud".
[04:03]	DaemonFC	"The universities themselves, meanwhile, must be thrilled by Bidens plan. Loan forgiveness functions the same way federal aid does: It essentially greenlights colleges and universities to continue to hike prices, knowing the federal government has no qualms about covering tuition costs in the immediate future. No wonder student debt is expected to climb back to its current levels within the next four years. Indeed, as basic economics teache
[04:03]	DaemonFC	s us, adding a lane to the highway does not reduce traffic it increases demand and often makes traffic worse."
[04:03]	DaemonFC	Yes, more people will take on loan debt expecting to demand "forgiveness" again later.
[04:04]	DaemonFC	But I wouldn't bet on that. Biden's days in office are numbered.
[04:04]	DaemonFC	And he's even pissing me off.
[04:04]	DaemonFC	"Any serious discussion surrounding student debt would ask the fundamental question of how best to reduce tuition price tags, as ours dwarf those of peer nations. But this isnt a serious discussion. It is a bribe to Bidens base in anticipation of the midterm elections, and the US taxpayers are the ones footing the bill."
[04:05]	DaemonFC	It's a bad idea.
[04:05]	DaemonFC	People who didn't get to go or worked very hard to pay theirs off won't be happy about it.
[04:07]	TR News	Yesterday's Official Numbers https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/25/covid-summers/
[04:07]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Tale of Three Summers of COVID-19 in the UK, as Told by Yesterdays Official Numbers
[04:07]	DaemonFC	https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/08/22/illinois-residents-who-used-snapchat-eligible-for-payout-from-35-million-settlement/
[04:07]	TR Bot	 Illinois residents who used Snapchat eligible for payout from $35 million settlement
[04:07]	TR News	#Techrights Bulletin for Wednesday, August 24, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
[04:07]	TR Bot	 Bulletin Archives
[04:07]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Snapchat (Facebook) and BIPA, again.
[04:08]	TR News	#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
[04:08]	TR Bot	 Techrights Full IPFS Index
[04:08]	DaemonFC	This brings their total losses to like $600 million under the BIPA.
[04:08]	Helenah	Garlic bread
[04:08]	ender2070_16bit	yum
[04:08]	Helenah	:3
[04:09]	Helenah	So erm... did anyone see my pretty nails? :3 https://i.imgur.com/6qxQIhd.jpg
[04:10]	Helenah	I painted them blue
[04:10]	Helenah	but the truth is I painted them red
[04:10]	ender2070_16bit	yeah they look nice
[04:10]	ender2070_16bit	i'd add a coat of clear glitter myself
[04:10]	Helenah	Ooooo
[04:11]	Helenah	I've done that many times, I should do that at some point again. :D
[04:12]	schestowitz[TR]	Garlic bread is good
[04:12]	schestowitz[TR]	usually a bit expensive
[04:12]	ender2070_16bit	you can make your own
[04:12]	schestowitz[TR]	lots fo work
[04:12]	schestowitz[TR]	and not the same quality
[04:12]	schestowitz[TR]	naan is also good, btu expensive
[04:12]	schestowitz[TR]	some ingredients are hard to get
[04:12]	ender2070_16bit	i love garlic naan
[04:12]	schestowitz[TR]	and the process
[04:13]	Helenah	Yeah I make my own and it tastes a whole lot better! :3
[04:13]	schestowitz[TR]	they sell them as singles and doubles here
[04:13]	schestowitz[TR]	and it's like one pound
[04:13]	schestowitz[TR]	you can get a whole loaf of bread for less
[04:13]	schestowitz[TR]	now with ovens costing more to oeprate
[04:14]	ender2070_16bit	i love eating hamburgers with mini naan rounds
[04:14]	loner	gladly, i worked off my student loan
[04:14]	Helenah	For reference guys, 1 GBP = 1.18 USD = 1.18 EUR
[04:14]	schestowitz[TR]	they should consider rationing energy
[04:14]	schestowitz[TR]	to avoid blackouts and brownouts
[04:15]	schestowitz[TR]	loner: harder to do in us than deutschland
[04:15]	schestowitz[TR]	cost of raising kid 300k
[04:15]	schestowitz[TR]	average, that is
[04:15]	schestowitz[TR]	to 18
[04:15]	schestowitz[TR]	"better off" families maybe 500,000
[04:16]	schestowitz[TR]	than 300k for "good" college
[04:16]	Helenah	It's probably good in the end that I don't have a kid.
[04:16]	schestowitz[TR]	so 3 kids can cost 2.5 million dollars
[04:16]	loner	schestowitz[TR]: with 100K annual income or something
[04:16]	schestowitz[TR]	2 million pounds
[04:16]	loner	?
[04:16]	schestowitz[TR]	those jobs are terriblew
[04:16]	schestowitz[TR]	they get you to work long hours
[04:16]	schestowitz[TR]	and then ask you to use their 'free' smart phone
[04:16]	schestowitz[TR]	so they can pester you any time of the day
[04:16]	schestowitz[TR]	"BUT WE ARE PAYING YOU!@!"
[04:17]	schestowitz[TR]	"we own you.."
[04:17]	loner	how is this different?
[04:17]	schestowitz[TR]	"100% o f the time=" - IBM managers
[04:17]	Helenah	IBM
[04:17]	schestowitz[TR]	I once went to a former IBM office
[04:17]	schestowitz[TR]	it wa s sclient called first utility
[04:17]	Helenah	Interesting.
[04:17]	schestowitz[TR]	before they sold
[04:17]	schestowitz[TR]	they were losing customers when I was there
[04:17]	schestowitz[TR]	as I saw it in theior databases
[04:18]	Helenah	hmm
[04:18]	DaemonFC	Okay, I have signed up for this Facebook settlement too.
[04:18]	schestowitz[TR]	and they used a dead zombie building of old relic IBM
[04:18]	schestowitz[TR]	soon IBM will be an indian company
[04:18]	DaemonFC	I figure if they had to give me $500 last time, it'll probably be $50-60 out of this one.
[04:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[04:23]	DaemonFC	My guess is that GNU is removing DT_HASH mostly to spite the BSDs again.
[04:24]	DaemonFC	If the BSDs want the Linuxulator to work, they'll need to implement DT_GNU_HASH if they haven't already in their libc.
[04:25]	TR News	Over 600 million cases of COVID-19 https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries in the UK, 203,000 dead.
[04:25]	TR Bot	 COVID Live - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
[04:27]	TR News	Always amusing to see China claiming that only 5k people died of COVID-19 there (5,226), compared to half a million in India or loads of people who nowadays die in South Korea and Japan (despite it being summer). Serves to show what a lying regime governs China.
[04:28]	DaemonFC	https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/08/23/cops-find-gang-member-in-possession-of-loaded-ak-47-style-rifle-handgun-in-waukegan-prosecutors/
[04:28]	TR Bot	 Cops find gang member in possession of loaded AK-47-style rifle, handgun in Waukegan: prosecutors
[04:29]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Obviously he had a FOID card, you know.
[04:29]	DaemonFC	;)
[04:29]	DaemonFC	The Mask, Jim Carey.....Detective pulls out a rocket launcher from his pocket.
[04:29]	DaemonFC	"I HAVE A PERMIT FOR THAT!"
[04:29]	DaemonFC	MinceR, ^
[04:30]	TR News	Your Life is a Recording. Which Someone can Play Back https://yewtu.be/watch?v=m9goxwS0GR0
[04:30]	TR Bot	 Your Life is a Recording. Which Someone can Play Back. - Invidious
[04:30]	DaemonFC	"Julius D. Gaines, 34, of North Chicago, was charged with armed habitual criminal, two counts of aggravated unlawful use of a weapon, felon in possession of a firearm and possession of a controlled substance.
[04:30]	DaemonFC	Lake County Assistant States Attorney Lillian Lewis said officers with the Waukegan Police Department observed a vehicle with no tail light and no license plate last Wednesday.
[04:30]	DaemonFC	A traffic stop was conducted on the vehicle and Gaines was the driver and sole occupant."
[04:30]	DaemonFC	Mommas don't let your sons grow up to be an armed habitual felon with no license plate.
[04:30]	DaemonFC	Yes, I remember this song.
[04:30]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, Sing it with me now!
[04:31]	DaemonFC	I have a bottle of whiskey with your name on it if you can keep up.
[04:32]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], See what happens?
[04:32]	TR News	Years after this talk he shoehorned or helped shoehorn DRM into Web browsers and Web site. Tim B-L: MAJOR disappointment. His solution: MOAR JavaScript... controlled by Microsoft proprietary software prison. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=OM6XIICm_qo
[04:32]	TR Bot	 Tim Berners-Lee: The next Web of open, linked data - Invidious
[04:32]	DaemonFC	Remember when I said, if you're going to commit a felony, don't commit misdemeanors and infractions?
[04:32]	DaemonFC	If he had a plate and a working tail light, they wouldn't have noticed him.
[04:33]	DaemonFC	"Lewis said that Gaines was not cooperative with officers and called a woman over to get things from him.
[04:34]	DaemonFC	Mistake #2: If you get pulled over anyway, be respectful.
[04:34]	DaemonFC	"While officers were speaking with Gaines, he handed the woman some of his belongings, which included a small bag. "Gaines was arrested and officers found a white powder substance in the bag, which was determined to be 2.1 grams of crack cocaine."
[04:34]	DaemonFC	Man, that's a lot of crack cocaine. That's like.....Hunter Biden quantities.
[04:35]	TR News	The Web wasn't even innovative. It was done similarly 3 decades earlier. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=sz77x05rySc
[04:35]	TR Bot	 Ian Ritchie: The day I turned down Tim Berners-Lee - Invidious
[04:35]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Do you have a crack "epidemic" in the UK?
[04:35]	DaemonFC	Guessing no.
[04:35]	DaemonFC	They use the word "epidemic" like crack is a disease.
[04:36]	DaemonFC	"Hey, what happened to Steve?" Oh, it was The Crack. It kills you know. It's a really bad epidemic. Bill Gates has them working on a Crack Vaccine.
[04:37]	DaemonFC	I'm so glad I have the opportunity to live in America.
[04:37]	DaemonFC	Greatest country on Earth.
[04:38]	DaemonFC	And in the best state, no less. Felonois 
[04:39]	schestowitz[TR]	yes drugs get compared tom viruses
[04:39]	schestowitz[TR]	even if they are just chemicals
[04:39]	schestowitz[TR]	the words get twisted a lot
[04:39]	schestowitz[TR]	they also call crimes that
[04:40]	schestowitz[TR]	like crime is biology
[04:40]	DaemonFC	Yeah, "crime wave".
[04:40]	DaemonFC	"crime epidemic"
[04:40]	DaemonFC	Well, let's ask our resident biologist mjg59_ 
[04:40]	DaemonFC	:)
[04:41]	DaemonFC	If he's not too busy pulling a MARISOL. Believing oneself to be all powerful is not a good sign.
[04:41]	DaemonFC	I see a lot of the same sort of behavior going on with him.
[04:41]	DaemonFC	He thinks threatening to leave his blog will get them to cancel Clownflare, which he's only mad about because they host Kiwi Farms, which is worse than the Taliban I'll have you know.
[04:42]	TR News	xkcd: Tetherball Configurations https://xkcd.com/2663/
[04:42]	TR Bot	Tetherball Configurations
[04:43]	DaemonFC	Kiwi Farms may or may not have been a contributing factor in the suicide of 2 or 3 entire people (1 may not exist and is known only due to a pseudonym) (the other two were definitely crazy to begin with, hell, one self-immolated).
[04:43]	DaemonFC	Even if that's true, which it's debateable, but even if true, the Taliban are definitely nowhere near as bad as the Kiwi Farms.
[04:44]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], I doubt we'll ever know how many people Chris Hansen drove to suicide for the entertainment and laughter of Americans.
[04:44]	DaemonFC	My guess is....more than Kiwi Farms.
[04:46]	DaemonFC	My guess is mjg59_ doesn't post on Shitter about Cloudflare and the Taliban.
[04:46]	DaemonFC	He doesn't want to insult Muslims.
[04:47]	DaemonFC	Or call attention to FGM or you know, women being kept illiterate and out of society.
[04:47]	ender2070_16bit	i think everyone should try LSD at least once in their life
[04:47]	ender2070_16bit	its such an experience
[04:47]	DaemonFC	And hmm, what would they do with trans people?
[04:47]	DaemonFC	Probably worse than calling one of them Keith.
[04:47]	DaemonFC	But what do I know?
[04:47]	ender2070_16bit	and watch a few movies on it: 2001 - A Space Oddessy, Tron, Star Trek 1, Dune 1980s
[04:48]	DaemonFC	Those were all terrible movies!
[04:49]	schestowitz[TR]	I didn't like them either
[04:49]	DaemonFC	Probably the best out of the three was Dune (1984) and that had me going "DO I REALLY NEED EXPOSITION VIA EVERY THOUGHT IN THIS CHARACTER'S HEAD!?".
[04:49]	schestowitz[TR]	there are much betetr films
[04:49]	schestowitz[TR]	like the second Back to the Future
[04:50]	schestowitz[TR]	take my word for it: 20 years from now nobody will give a crap about movied made in 2010-2022
[04:50]	schestowitz[TR]	*movies
[04:50]	DaemonFC	Wasn't that the one where Future Biff stole the sports almanac?
[04:50]	schestowitz[TR]	it is a dark age and the death of the industry
[04:50]	schestowitz[TR]	it just doesn't "accept" its death yet
[04:50]	schestowitz[TR]	by a thousand cuts
[04:50]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz[TR]> it is a dark age and the death of the industry
[04:51]	ender2070_16bit	they're good movies for being on LSD
[04:51]	DaemonFC	Oh Roy, you know that Emoji Movie was up there with Lawrence of Arabia in 4K.
[04:51]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: it's where they have hoverboards
[04:51]	ender2070_16bit	you don't like Tron?
[04:51]	ender2070_16bit	I absolutely love both Tron movies
[04:51]	schestowitz[TR]	the third one was awful
[04:51]	schestowitz[TR]	iirc, it was also the last
[04:51]	ender2070_16bit	there is a third?
[04:51]	schestowitz[TR]	the first was not so bad, but he travels backwards
[04:51]	schestowitz[TR]	and meets his parents
[04:51]	DaemonFC	I thought the third one was better.
[04:51]	schestowitz[TR]	the second was about what thye future would be like
[04:52]	DaemonFC	Yeah, the third one is a Western, because he gets stuck in the 1800s.
[04:52]	schestowitz[TR]	yes, awful
[04:52]	ender2070_16bit	oh you're talking about back to the future, all three were great. my favourite was #2
[04:52]	schestowitz[TR]	all that fox is remembered for is this franchsise and his parkinsons
[04:53]	DaemonFC	https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/back_to_the_future_3
[04:53]	ender2070_16bit	spin city was awesome
[04:53]	TR Bot	 Back to the Future Part III - Rotten Tomatoes
[04:53]	DaemonFC	80% on the Tomato Meter.
[04:53]	schestowitz[TR]	lloyd weber is dead
[04:53]	schestowitz[TR]	but he was also known for frankenstein iirc
[04:53]	DaemonFC	https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/back_to_the_future_2
[04:53]	TR Bot	 Back to the Future Part II - Rotten Tomatoes
[04:53]	DaemonFC	63%
[04:53]	DaemonFC	Seems the critic consensus is the third part was better.
[04:53]	schestowitz[TR]	www = dumb young people
[04:53]	DaemonFC	They're not always right.
[04:53]	ender2070_16bit	Freddy Got Fingered is such a classic, Tom Green is a genius
[04:54]	schestowitz[TR]	the mvoie predates this
[04:54]	schestowitz[TR]	probably a bunch of whiners clicking down on a man with hovrboard
[04:54]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], The reviews on Rotten Tomatoes can go back into the 90s.
[04:54]	schestowitz[TR]	while clicking on their "Smart" phones
[04:54]	DaemonFC	Roger Ebert is one of the critics on some of them.
[04:55]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/today_s_howtos.gmi 
[04:55]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[04:55]	DaemonFC	I guess I don't get Italian humor. I was mislead into watching a movie called "Short Skin" assured that it would be as funny as "American Pie".
[04:56]	schestowitz[TR]	which one?
[04:56]	schestowitz[TR]	the first?
[04:56]	schestowitz[TR]	the latter was shit
[04:56]	DaemonFC	And it turns out to be about a 14 year old Italian teenager who has painfully tight foreskin and there's an entire scene of him fucking a dead octopus he got from the store in the bathroom sink.
[04:56]	DaemonFC	(No it's not CP. The actor was like 19 when he did that scene!)
[04:56]	DaemonFC	I'm surprised the DVD was at the library in Fort Wayne though.
[04:57]	loner	watched Casino (1995) recently
[04:57]	DaemonFC	https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/short_skin
[04:57]	TR Bot	 Short Skin - Rotten Tomatoes
[04:58]	loner	italian humor
[04:59]	TR News	Security Advisory 2022-02 for PowerDNS Recursor up to and including 4.5.9, 4.6.2, 4.7.1 https://blog.powerdns.com/2022/08/23/security-advisory-2022-02-for-powerdns-recursor-up-to-and-including-4-5-9-4-6-2-4-7-1/
[04:59]	TR Bot	 Security Advisory 2022-02 for PowerDNS Recursor up to and including 4.5.9, 4.6.2, 4.7.1 | PowerDNS Blog
[04:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 9.11 k/sec., IPFS upstream 78.95 average k/sec., average swarm size 117.10
● Aug 25
[05:00]	DaemonFC	My dad had that problem though.
[05:00]	DaemonFC	He had to get circumcised when he was 12 to deal with it.
[05:01]	loner	this is something, the world has to know
[05:01]	loner	your dad was circumcised
[05:01]	TR News	The Windows rival to the GNU/Linux-based Steam Decks seems like a sad joke https://xeiaso.net/blog/anbernic-win600-review
[05:02]	TR Bot	 Anbernic Win600 Review - Xe
[05:02]	loner	you know, i got trouble, digesting cheese and milk products
[05:02]	DaemonFC	Well almost everyone here is.
[05:02]	schestowitz[TR]	lactose?
[05:02]	DaemonFC	If you're not, it usually means your parents were poor.
[05:03]	loner	one of the best moments in the movie Casino (1995): "The bosses shit onto supreme court and all this crap." that's italian humor
[05:03]	ender2070_16bit	cheese is just a loaf of milk
[05:03]	loner	and the "happy ending" too was, exceptional italian humor i would say
[05:03]		*ender2070_16bit slaps loner around a bit with a large trout
[05:03]	DaemonFC	Just based on my own observation, I'd say about 2-3% of American men are uncircumcised if that, and all of them I've known were really poor growing up.
[05:04]	DaemonFC	Oddly, the poorest one was circumcised though.
[05:04]	DaemonFC	But it's almost without a doubt if you're in the US and uncircumcised, you're either poor, a racial minority, or both.
[05:05]	DaemonFC	But the practice seems to have caught on in the Hispanic/Latino population here.
[05:05]	schestowitz[TR]	<ender2070_16bit> cheese is just a loaf of milk
[05:05]	DaemonFC	It seems to be something of a class indicator, although I've never found many studies on the issue.
[05:05]	schestowitz[TR]	eggs are abortions
[05:06]	DaemonFC	The US CDC does post racial statistics with STDs and abortions.
[05:06]	ender2070_16bit	if you got two pillows, one of your pillows is using the other as a pillow
[05:06]	DaemonFC	Their statistics say you're about 9 times as likely to encounter an STD from a black sex partner.
[05:06]	DaemonFC	Of course, they never expand and speculate on why that is.
[05:06]	TR News	LOL!! Buzzwords as "shifts". Who pays for this fake hype? Fakebook? https://www.protocol.com/entertainment/metaverse-matthew-ball-book-interview
[05:06]	TR Bot	metaverse, as explained by Matthew Ball - Protocol
[05:07]	loner	anyway, the movie Casino is worth watching, if you got the sense of italian humor
[05:07]	DaemonFC	Bill Gates did the botched circumcision experiment in Africa.
[05:07]	DaemonFC	But nobody has ever suggested that circumcision plays into how likely you are to get Syphilis.
[05:07]	DaemonFC	And that risk is 5 times higher.
[05:08]	schestowitz[TR]	humans: we correct nature
[05:08]	schestowitz[TR]	and evolution, too
[05:08]	schestowitz[TR]	"plastic" "surgery"
[05:08]	DaemonFC	Either way, I doubt circumcision could possibly explain a 500% higher Syphilis rate or a 13x higher HIV rate.
[05:08]	schestowitz[TR]	I always called that "butchering"
[05:08]	schestowitz[TR]	and some people adopted this term they heard from me
[05:08]	DaemonFC	*circumcision status
[05:09]	DaemonFC	I've heard all sorts of "possible" explanations.
[05:09]	schestowitz[TR]	humans also cut tails of animals
[05:09]	schestowitz[TR]	and declaw cats
[05:09]	DaemonFC	Including black men having sex with each other thinking it's not gay if you don't wear a condom.
[05:09]	schestowitz[TR]	like they "remove" seeds from fruit and veg
[05:10]	DaemonFC	Or if you leave your socks on.
[05:10]	DaemonFC	But that was something John told me. So take that for what it is.
[05:10]	loner	"it's not gay if you don't wear a condom"
[05:10]	loner	DaemonFC: ???
[05:11]	DaemonFC	That's what John told me black men think. I don't know. I don't know where he got that.
[05:11]	schestowitz[TR]	off-topci nonsense
[05:11]	schestowitz[TR]	anyway, back to tech
[05:11]	DaemonFC	I wonder what Uncle Bill will do to them next time.
[05:12]	DaemonFC	First it was "AIDSVAX" in Thailand (male prostitutes).
[05:12]	DaemonFC	Then when the vaccine didn't work very well, they just dumped them all and didn't give them any follow-up.
[05:12]	DaemonFC	Failed experiment. Cut losses. Pull up the tent!
[05:12]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], ^
[05:13]	DaemonFC	This is how Creepy Uncle Bill does business.
[05:14]	DaemonFC	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDSVAX
[05:14]	TR Bot	 AIDSVAX - Wikipedia
[05:14]	DaemonFC	31.4% efficacy
[05:14]	DaemonFC	Probably better than the COVID "vaccines".
[05:14]	DaemonFC	Nobody really wants an AIDS vaccine.
[05:14]	DaemonFC	Why wipe it out when you can rob people forever?
[05:15]	TR News	Social control media is not dead. But is is dying.
[05:15]	DaemonFC	Dying 4-5 years later if they stop taking your pills is such a motivator to figure out where the $4,000 a month pills will come from.
[05:15]	DaemonFC	Wouldn't you agree schestowitz[TR]?
[05:16]	DaemonFC	There will never be an AIDS vaccine because the pills are such a money grab./
[05:16]	TR News	IRC is keeping steady in terms of usage for a number of years already https://netsplit.de/
[05:16]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[05:16]	DaemonFC	It's so obvious.
[05:16]	DaemonFC	Peter Staley is "activist" turned pharmaceutical company advertiser.
[05:17]	DaemonFC	He amuses himself by having people write absolutely lurid "articles" on poz dot com.
[05:17]	schestowitz[TR]	wow, phoronix really cannot find stories
[05:17]	DaemonFC	But most of it is paid spam for new drugs.
[05:17]	ender2070_16bit	i love irc
[05:17]	schestowitz[TR]	covering some random mailing lists posts and commits
[05:18]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Yeah, nobody needed Phoronix 20 years ago.
[05:18]	schestowitz[TR]	there is almost no source of kernel news anymore
[05:18]	schestowitz[TR]	kernelTrap was OK
[05:18]	schestowitz[TR]	died ages ago
[05:18]	DaemonFC	If there was a new program released, they just gave you the elevator pitch in the release notes.
[05:18]	schestowitz[TR]	covering kernel new is hard anda lot of work
[05:18]	schestowitz[TR]	*news
[05:18]	schestowitz[TR]	you are able to get paid a lot by just writing a kernel driveer
[05:18]	schestowitz[TR]	for any company
[05:19]	schestowitz[TR]	then cover the development of linux
[05:19]	schestowitz[TR]	'linux' foundation killed linux.com
[05:19]	schestowitz[TR]	test http://archive.org/
[05:19]	TR Bot	connect to archive.org:80; Network is unreachable ( status 0 @ http://archive.org/ )
[05:20]	schestowitz[TR]	not just me ten
[05:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[05:20]	schestowitz[TR]	offline?
[05:20]	schestowitz[TR]	https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/web.archive.org?proto=https
[05:20]	TR Bot	 Web.archive.org down? Current problems and status.
[05:21]	DaemonFC	Well, for most people, Linux (the kernel) didn't change much for a few years at a time until 2.6 came out.
[05:21]	DaemonFC	Then it changed quite a lot, quite often.
[05:21]	schestowitz[TR]	"" After freenode's network type was changed to "historical" several months ago, I noticed today, that the crawler can connect freenode again. Therefore freenode's network type was changed back to "competitor" again. Welcome back! 
[05:21]	schestowitz[TR]	https://netsplit.de/news.php
[05:21]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[05:22]	ender2070_16bit	seems to be down for me too
[05:27]	ender2070_16bit	I'm watching Escape from New York
[05:39]	DaemonFC	https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/gemlog/2022-08-20-adding-aggregators.gmi
[05:39]	TR Bot	 Gemini Portal
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[05:41]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Is there some way to easily port the NewsWaffle to the Web?
[05:41]	DaemonFC	I think more people would end up using it that way.
[05:41]	DaemonFC	Web browsers tend to have better font rendering than Gemini clients.
[05:42]	DaemonFC	Stripping away the crap and converting it back from GemText to HTML seems to remove all the bloat and nonsense just fine.
[05:42]	DaemonFC	But it would be more efficient to just make the NewsWaffle a Web resource for Web users.
[05:43]	DaemonFC	I never was a big fan of Style Sheets.
[05:43]	DaemonFC	They're not as big of a problem as JavaScript, but they are a nuisance.
[05:43]	DaemonFC	Ideally, you'd just have the text and some "optimized" JPEGs if those are important, but have the user click on them if they want to download and see that one.
[05:44]	DaemonFC	By optimized, I mean stripping the EXIF tags and optimizing the Huffman Coding. Which you can do without further decay to any existing JPEG.
[05:44]	DaemonFC	And most sites do that, ironically, to lower bandwidth costs, even as they are quite bloated otherwise.
[05:45]	schestowitz[TR]	you don'ty need newswaffle for the web
[05:45]	DaemonFC	Worrying about reducing JPEG size by 7% is a little odd when you're mostly loading stock images, huge style sheets, and several MB of JavaScript to display a news article.
[05:45]	schestowitz[TR]	you can disable css and js usually
[05:45]	schestowitz[TR]	or use a browser that removes cruft
[05:45]	DaemonFC	I use the NewsWaffle on the Web via the mozz.us proxy.
[05:45]	schestowitz[TR]	newswafle handles images well
[05:46]	schestowitz[TR]	ifd you use a reader with built-in image renderer
[05:46]	schestowitz[TR]	anyway, we're looking beyond the web already
[05:46]	schestowitz[TR]	so does tuxmachines
[05:46]	schestowitz[TR]	the counter says 10k requests over gemini
[05:46]	schestowitz[TR]	but most are just uptime checkss (monitoring)
[05:46]	schestowitz[TR]	yesterday we had to kick nginx
[05:46]	schestowitz[TR]	the gemproxy was failing
[05:47]	schestowitz[TR]	did not investigate the cause,,m just restarted the daemon
[05:49]	psydruid	I mostly read techrights over gemini, because it's the fastest and most uncluttered way to do so
[05:49]	TR News	 (NEW): Test of modules https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Test_of_modules.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Test_of_modules.gmi 
[05:49]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Test of modules
[05:49]	psydruid	https://wccftech.com/stagnant-pc-hardware-inventories-may-cause-retailers-manufacturers-to-lower-prices-offer-huge-discounts/
[05:49]	TR Bot	 Stagnant PC Hardware Inventories May Cause Retailers & Manufacturers To Lower Prices & Offer Huge Discounts
[05:50]	psydruid	playing into what Helen ah said a few hours ago
[05:50]	psydruid	I don't think Microsoft is getting away with it this time around
[05:50]	schestowitz[TR]	Microsoft= 20,000 layoffs
[05:50]	schestowitz[TR]	that will be good form popcorn sales
[05:51]	psydruid	things have changed and used hardware from the past 10 years is still good enough for running most software
[05:51]	psydruid	yes
[05:51]	schestowitz[TR]	micerosoft RELIES
[05:51]	schestowitz[TR]	 on preinstalles
[05:51]	loner	minor correction: _all_ software
[05:51]	schestowitz[TR]	NOBODFY INSTALLS Windows
[05:51]	schestowitz[TR]	almost nobody
[05:51]	schestowitz[TR]	pepople buy PCs
[05:52]	schestowitz[TR]	Microsoft works behind cloed doors to mirror Windows across newly-made complete PCs
[05:52]	schestowitz[TR]	fewer sales = fewer windows licence
[05:52]	schestowitz[TR]	nbo vista 10 user goes to a store online to "buy" Vista 11
[05:52]	schestowitz[TR]	and in physical stores I doubt they sell it
[05:52]	schestowitz[TR]	it would be too many DVDs
[05:53]	schestowitz[TR]	so they are obsolete
[05:53]	schestowitz[TR]	with gnu/linux you get a base image
[05:53]	schestowitz[TR]	usb
[05:53]	schestowitz[TR]	cd
[05:53]	schestowitz[TR]	sd
[05:53]	schestowitz[TR]	and then install what you need over the network
[05:53]	schestowitz[TR]	once it bootstraps live or on spinning rust or ssd
[05:53]	schestowitz[TR]	you can outwit them by killing off the OEMs
[05:54]	schestowitz[TR]	and then people who don't get p;hones but a RealComputer(R) get more choice
[05:55]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz[TR]> did not investigate the cause,,m just restarted the daemon
[05:55]	DaemonFC	What is this? Wireplumber?
[05:55]	DaemonFC	:)
[05:57]	psydruid	Wintel people also make fun of 50-100 SBCs as being not powerful enough to run "modern" software, but the joke is on them
[05:57]	loner	i could live with a $5 raspi zero 1.3
[05:58]	psydruid	and I think it's actually them trying to cope with the fact that they have to spend a lot more money to get the same performance out of their Wintel computer
[05:58]	DaemonFC	Wireplumber is a disaster.
[05:58]	schestowitz[TR]	techrights-news> With energy prices soaring do you want this liability? https://www.phoronix.com/review/intel-gpu-flex-series
[05:58]	TR Bot	Announces Data Center GPU Flex Series - Phoronix
[05:59]	DaemonFC	I thought there was something wrong with GNOME Web playing a video and causing Wireplumber to spin the CPU.
[05:59]	DaemonFC	But Firefox does it sometimes as well,.
[05:59]	psydruid	so anything that is much cheaper and runs another less bloated operating system must be mocked and ridiculed as being a toy
[05:59]	schestowitz[TR]	energy will get a lot more expensive soon
[05:59]	psydruid	it's all just so transparent
[05:59]	schestowitz[TR]	due to alleged scarcities
● Aug 25
[06:00]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 8.33 k/sec., IPFS upstream 96.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 112.53
[06:00]	schestowitz[TR]	the diff between 5 watt processor and 20 watt processor is night and day
[06:00]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Illinois is actually doing okay on that.
[06:00]	schestowitz[TR]	screens are another matter
[06:00]	DaemonFC	Good time to be on electric for everything.
[06:00]	schestowitz[TR]	some electric power is made with gas
[06:00]	schestowitz[TR]	they use gas in the processes of spinning turbines
[06:00]	DaemonFC	Illinois doesn't generate much power with gas.
[06:01]	schestowitz[TR]	we use gas to heat up water 
[06:01]	schestowitz[TR]	many boilers here are gas-based
[06:01]	schestowitz[TR]	electric showers are common too
[06:01]	DaemonFC	Yeah, I think the landlord uses gas in the water heater.
[06:01]	ender2070_16bit	I have a 2013 laptop that runs gnome perfectly fine. Faster than Windows.
[06:02]	schestowitz[TR]	https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/A_Test_of_ReadOn.shtml
[06:02]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines A Test of ReadOn()
[06:02]	psydruid	what is also an issue for them is that today's 20 processor is going to be tomorrow's 1-5 processor
[06:02]	DaemonFC	I'm sure he's pissed. The best thing to do would be to invest in an electric model.
[06:02]	ender2070_16bit	I have a raspi zero w, I'd use BSD on it but BSD doesn't have the wifi driver :(
[06:02]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Better get yourself a sleeping bag.
[06:02]	DaemonFC	It's gonna be cold in Bogusland this winter.
[06:02]	psydruid	I don't have any raspi
[06:03]	ender2070_16bit	I checked OpenBSD, NetBSD and FreeBSD
[06:03]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: There are other methods
[06:03]	ender2070_16bit	they don't have drivers for any raspi
[06:03]	schestowitz[TR]	like, put allt he computers in one room
[06:03]	schestowitz[TR]	then seal 
[06:03]	psydruid	and probably never will have any
[06:03]	schestowitz[TR]	double glazing and door
[06:03]	schestowitz[TR]	and that alone, togetehr with body heat, helps avoid home heaters
[06:03]	DaemonFC	If they're Intel that should work.
[06:03]	DaemonFC	:)
[06:03]	psydruid	because these things aren't actually open hackable devices
[06:03]	schestowitz[TR]	you just reuse natural combustion and electic heat waste
[06:04]	schestowitz[TR]	our friends, a couple, may more than twice what we pay for energy
[06:04]	starstreak	https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-based-visionfive-2-launched-on-kickstarter/
[06:04]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-based-visionfive-2-launched-on-kickstarter/ )
[06:04]	schestowitz[TR]	and they don't even work from home
[06:04]	schestowitz[TR]	so go figure
[06:05]	schestowitz[TR]	not even counting the potrol bills for the car
[06:05]	schestowitz[TR]	*petrol
[06:05]	psydruid	I did spend a few months working with a raspi 1, but I didn't really see how it would be better than the more powerful orange pi I already had
[06:05]	schestowitz[TR]	you can now end up paying 400 pounds a month for "energy"
[06:05]	psydruid	I know about VisionFive v2
[06:05]	schestowitz[TR]	or 200 pounds perr person per month
[06:05]	schestowitz[TR]	food also went up by a lot
[06:05]	ender2070_16bit	it seems promising
[06:05]	DaemonFC	http://68k.news/
[06:05]	schestowitz[TR]	unless you find discounts
[06:05]	TR Bot	Headlines From the Future
[06:05]	DaemonFC	This works.
[06:06]	ender2070_16bit	ooooo 68k.news :D
[06:06]	ender2070_16bit	i love it
[06:06]	psydruid	and this is just the first board that is going to be more widely usable
[06:07]	TR News	 (NEW): Videos and Shows: Privacy, Massive Wiki, Manjaro, and Linux Mint" https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Videos_and_Shows_Privacy_Massive_Wiki_Manjaro_and_Linux_Mint.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Videos_and_Shows_Privacy_Massive_Wiki_Manjaro_and_Linux_Mint.gmi 
[06:07]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Videos and Shows: Privacy, Massive Wiki, Manjaro, and Linux Mint"
[06:07]	psydruid	StarFive is working on a more powerful SoC and board to be launched later next year
[06:07]	loner	i fear such RISC-V offerings will require a most recent kernel version
[06:07]	loner	and this comes with alot of other trouble
[06:07]	ender2070_16bit	lol loner
[06:08]	psydruid	I hope they will be usable with several operating systems
[06:08]	loner	ender2070_16bit: lol what?
[06:08]	ender2070_16bit	you're insane
[06:08]	loner	irelevant, it's facts
[06:09]	starstreak	[britney@archbtw ~]$ uname -r
[06:09]	starstreak	5.19.3-arch1-1
[06:09]	starstreak	I proudly run the latest kernel!
[06:09]	psydruid	it's logical for new hardware to be supported in newer kernel versions
[06:09]	loner	i mean, i already got riscv64-tcc toolchain installed ...
[06:09]	psydruid	whether that should be Linux is another matter
[06:10]	loner	kernel/version, which libc, etc?
[06:10]	loner	would be curious
[06:10]	DaemonFC	https://www.star-telegram.com/opinion/ryanjrusak/article264826494.html
[06:10]	ender2070_16bit	I would run openbsd or freebsd, but no steam, brave, discord, element
[06:11]	starstreak	[britney@archbtw ~]$ gcc --version
[06:11]	starstreak	gcc (GCC) 12.2.0
[06:11]	DaemonFC	"Lets be clear about whats happening here: Working-class people will be taxed to fund a benefit for people whose degrees already give them a leg up in the economy." ""Also punished by this terrible idea are people who did things the right way. You know: suckers."
[06:11]	psydruid	I'm not really interested in that debate
[06:11]	DaemonFC	"If you paid back loans or never incurred them because you sought out cheaper alternatives, your reward is to help people who didnt think twice about borrowing tens of thousands of dollars to get an English degree."
[06:12]	starstreak	[britney@archbtw ~]$ ldd --version
[06:12]	starstreak	ldd (GNU libc) 2.36
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[06:12]	DaemonFC	"Bidens decision to extend the moratorium on payments is indefensible. His administration tries to persuade us that the economic bruises were all carrying arent real. It redefined recession, celebrated gas-price reductions that still leave us paying at least 50% more than when the president took office and manipulated statistics to suggest inflation is zero. On COVID-19, public health officials just announced what most of us have 
[06:12]	DaemonFC	known for more than a year, that we have to learn to live with it. "
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[06:12]	psydruid	with the exception of element those are closed source applications/services
[06:13]	loner	i fear, GNU and LLVM will continue to lock out any real free software alternative with RISC-V again
[06:13]	ender2070_16bit	freebsd has a linux emulator that can run steam but it doesn't work with proton
[06:13]	psydruid	I have no such fear
[06:14]	ender2070_16bit	although technically I could use firefox, load element web and discord web
[06:14]	ender2070_16bit	i don't really play too many games on linux, my xbox can do that instead
[06:14]	psydruid	linux emulator that works only on x86
[06:14]	DaemonFC	Well, you can just load Wine and run games that way, right?
[06:15]	ender2070_16bit	oh not freebsd64?
[06:15]	DaemonFC	"Come to think of it, though, wed be much better off if we gave young people money to buy a truck and plumbing or lawn equipment than to spend three hours a week learning Jane Austen."
[06:15]	DaemonFC	:)
[06:15]	psydruid	I mean freebsd i386 and x86_64, but not aarch64 or riscv64
[06:15]	ender2070_16bit	i was surprised to see vscode working on freebsd
[06:16]	psydruid	what linux software would you like to run on the latter?
[06:16]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], You said they basically showed Mr. GULAG to the door in Linux development, yes?
[06:16]	ender2070_16bit	i probably wouldn't bother with steam on riscv64
[06:16]	loner	this will be the cornerstone, of proof, with RISC-V, if the tcc-toolchain (riscv64-tcc) can fully digest any libc/kernel
[06:16]	ender2070_16bit	my xbox can handle the gaming
[06:17]	loner	otherwise, if RISC-V and related software continue to lock out any alternative toolchain, in practice, almost nothing relevant changed then
[06:17]	psydruid	so as DaemonFC is saying, it may be easier to run games using Wine on FreeBSD x86_64
[06:18]	ender2070_16bit	i've put daemonfc on ignore due to transphobia
[06:18]	psydruid	I haven't tried so far, as I don't have any FreeBSD install
[06:19]	ender2070_16bit	I was talking about freebsd on my current x86_64 laptop
[06:19]	psydruid	an ISA doesn't lock out software, people/companies and developers in particular do
[06:20]	loner	psydruid: disagree
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[06:20]	psydruid	you are free to disagree
[06:20]	loner	it is both, vendor-specific/ISA assembly extensions, and GNU gas extensions, which very effictively lock-out any alternative toolchain such as tcc
[06:20]	loner	i haven't got a libc anymore due to this
[06:20]	psydruid	that's software
[06:20]	ender2070_16bit	fuck tcc
[06:21]	psydruid	if the software that you want isn't out there write your own
[06:21]	DaemonFC	<ender2070_16bit> i've put daemonfc on ignore due to transphobia
[06:21]	ender2070_16bit	if the hardware that you want isn't out there, build your own
[06:21]	loner	psydruid: just as said, riscv64-tcc is available already, looking forward to see any kernel/libc pass with it, including assembler
[06:22]	DaemonFC	This is ridiculous.
[06:22]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ is spewing hatred against an Asian man, openly.
[06:22]	loner	psydruid: i am not the vendor of RISC-V
[06:22]	DaemonFC	Just to stir the shit.
[06:22]	ender2070_16bit	RISC-V is open source
[06:22]	ender2070_16bit	build your own computer
[06:23]	psydruid	exactly
[06:23]	psydruid	and build your own software
[06:23]	ender2070_16bit	+1
[06:23]	loner	it is almost impossible to defend against the anti-competitive practices of the industry
[06:24]	loner	even if, it is simply not desireable to re-implement particular crap with a sane toolchain
[06:24]	ender2070_16bit	i thought it was the united nations
[06:24]	loner	they're involved too
[06:24]	loner	yes
[06:24]	loner	criminal, corrupt cartell
[06:25]	ender2070_16bit	IBM/Wintel/Pentagon/GNU/FSF/UN conspiracy right
[06:25]	loner	but you know, GNU/FSF etc., that's all "non-profit" "NGO" 
[06:26]	ender2070_16bit	I guess technically I could run FreeBSD on my x86_64 laptop, use firefox instead of brave, and run element and discord in browser
[06:27]	psydruid	the RISC-V/ARM/POWER/SPARC/MIPS cartel are co-conspirators
[06:27]	DaemonFC	Ted Tso is both smarter than Garrett and has made actual contributions to Linux.
[06:27]	DaemonFC	So good enough reasons to target him.
[06:27]	psydruid	I had FreeBSD installed on a few of my laptops
[06:27]	ender2070_16bit	psydruid - how did you like it?
[06:28]	psydruid	on one of them the hard drive died, so I'll need to get an SSD to get it up and running again
[06:28]	DaemonFC	No user actually wants Secure Boot once they find out what it does. Mostly making it harder to boot their computer (or impossible thanks to ridiculous bugs). And then they go to try to add an unsigned module and that won't load.
[06:28]	DaemonFC	It's more bullshit.
[06:28]	DaemonFC	It's another reason to abandon the PC entirely soon.
[06:29]	DaemonFC	Eventually, they won't just turn it on by default, you won't have a choice.
[06:29]	psydruid	ender2070_16bit: it worked fine for me and it doesn't have systemd, so that's an advantage
[06:29]	psydruid	I didn't try to get any Linux software running, though
[06:30]	loner	the last relevant attempt with BSD was OpenBSD evaluating PCC compiler
[06:31]	psydruid	PCC aarch64 produced crashing binaries for me
[06:31]	psydruid	I don't know if anyone has fixed that yet
[06:31]	ender2070_16bit	I got a FreeBSD Virtual Machine running with Mate Desktop. It's using about 384MB
[06:32]	psydruid	it won't be much leaner than a modern GNU/Linux desktop, but that's because the applications are so bloated these days
[06:33]	loner	for fun, i could try to dump musl-libc risc-v ASM into riscv64-tcc and see how that goes...
[06:33]	ender2070_16bit	thats true
[06:33]	ender2070_16bit	oh I also use keybase
[06:33]	psydruid	it's as if no one knows how to write good software anymore
[06:33]	ender2070_16bit	there doesn't seem to be a keybase for freebsd
[06:33]	DaemonFC	https://itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/garrett-slams-tso-as-rape-apologist.html
[06:33]	TR Bot	- Garrett slams Ts'o as 'rape apologist'
[06:33]	DaemonFC	:/
[06:34]	psydruid	again?
[06:34]	DaemonFC	"Garrett, who styles himself as a defender of women's rights."
[06:34]	ender2070_16bit	yeah applications are really bloated these days. discord uses about 400MB of ram
[06:34]	DaemonFC	100.5% of all women, whether they want it or not.
[06:34]	DaemonFC	;)
[06:34]	ender2070_16bit	meanwhile hexchat sits at about 50MB
[06:35]	ender2070_16bit	I could use discord in pidgin and that sits at about 50MB too
[06:35]	loner	well, catgirl irc sits at 5Megs RAM
[06:35]		*DaemonFC starts using different pronouns so that Matthew Garrett will come to her assistance
[06:35]	DaemonFC	Everyone knows women can't take care of themselves without Garrett.
[06:35]	ender2070_16bit	loner - i want a GUI irc client
[06:36]	psydruid	is he like a hitman who gets hired by LF-connected people to discredit long-term contributors to free software?
[06:36]	DaemonFC	He thinks doing it (for free) will get more favor from his bosses at Microshit.
[06:36]	psydruid	oh, that was 10 years ago
[06:36]	DaemonFC	And that they'll slip him more money through a proxy company.
[06:37]	psydruid	what will he do when Microshit goes under?
[06:37]	ender2070_16bit	ok so i go into facebook and use the activity log to delete all my posts and reacts, and facebook asks for my password to confirm and sends me a harassing email
[06:37]	ender2070_16bit	lol
[06:38]	psydruid	flushed down the toilet
[06:38]	psydruid	what is on facebook stays on facebook
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[06:43]	ender2070_16bit	yeah im sure they keep a copy of everything you delete
[06:44]	ender2070_16bit	i hate facebook but it has such good memes
[06:45]	psydruid	facebook is the biggest meme
[06:45]	ender2070_16bit	just in case they don't tho
[06:45]	ender2070_16bit	potential employers like to look at peoples private facebook posts
[06:46]	ender2070_16bit	facebook sells access
[06:47]	psydruid	that's why it's better not to have a facebook account
[06:47]	ender2070_16bit	i was at one job interview, they asked about something on my facebook, later i checked and it turns out the post was marked private
[06:47]	ender2070_16bit	i use facebook with a fake name now
[06:48]	ender2070_16bit	i want to keep in touch with a few people who aren't on other networks
[06:52]	DaemonFC	Fakebook will decide what "misleading" is.
[06:52]	DaemonFC	Thank you very much!
[06:57]	DaemonFC	The whole idea of "rape culture" is something out of a reprobate mind that just hates masculinity and wants to attack men using any nasty thing it can.
[06:57]	DaemonFC	So it doesn't surprise me that Garrett perpetuates the myth.
[06:57]	DaemonFC	That's all it is, is a myth.
[06:59]	DaemonFC	Feminists are a really nasty piece of work, but it's so much worse when it's an alleged man walking around using bullshit phrases like "toxic masculinity".
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[07:00]	DaemonFC	Their ultimate goal is to paint even identifying as a man as a disease and as a mental illness.
[07:04]	DaemonFC	From what I can tell, Ted Tso had a one liner joking about people getting really drunk and having sex.
[07:05]	DaemonFC	And the joke is funny when you consider it in a modern sense because of all of these idiot Democrats passing "consent" laws like the ones in California or Illinois.
[07:05]	DaemonFC	California requires people to affirmatively consent. "Right, hold up, I have the legal contract right here!"
[07:06]	DaemonFC	Illinois says if a person is drunk they can't consent. That's new. That passed this year I think. Anyway, that's where Ted Tso's joke gets really funny.
[07:06]	DaemonFC	Because if both of you are drunk, you just raped each other.
[07:07]	DaemonFC	I mean, what we used to just call life where you woke up and you knew you'd both been drinking and maybe one of you think "AHHH!!!" because the other one was below your standards and you just go your separate ways is now a federal case, right? Big stinking federal case.
[07:09]	DaemonFC	I went drinking the night of my 21st birthday. Woke up next to someone. Okay, it's life. You start drinking, you make lousy decisions. Trying to pin your lousy decisions on other people is a really scummy thing to do.
[07:10]	DaemonFC	And then there's the "I had sex but now I'm mad and I'll go get him in trouble!" "rape".
[07:10]	DaemonFC	Where it wasn't rape, but now going to the cops is revenge.
[07:10]	loner	DaemonFC: defamation is a legal offense too
[07:11]	DaemonFC	Ted Tso should have sued.
[07:13]	loner	depends, in germany, he could sue for compensation of damages due to harmed reputation in case of defamation
[07:13]	DaemonFC	I probably would have if someone went to various publications and tried to paint me as a rapist in order to professionally destroy me for his own stolen gain.
[07:14]	DaemonFC	It's very unfortunate that Ted Tso didn't do that.
[07:14]	DaemonFC	He could have financially ruined GULAG for that.
[07:14]	DaemonFC	And then we wouldn't have had to endure all of these years of him.
[07:17]	DaemonFC	The American Psychological Association has warned that "traditional masculinity ideology" is associated with negative effects on mental and physical health
[07:17]	DaemonFC	Yeah, the APA also said homosexuality was a mental illness.
[07:17]	DaemonFC	And now they say being trans is a mental illness.
[07:18]	DaemonFC	Everything's a mental illness!
[07:19]	DaemonFC	The APA is an oppressive organization.
[07:19]	DaemonFC	In any decade.
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[07:20]	DaemonFC	"Men who adhere to traditionally masculine cultural norms, such as risk-taking, violence, dominance, the primacy of work, need for emotional control, desire to win, and pursuit of social status, tend to be more likely to experience psychological problems such as depression, stress, body image problems, substance use, and poor social functioning."
[07:20]	DaemonFC	Just be a loser and a wimp. -The APA
[07:21]	DaemonFC	They tossed a few negatives in there just to scare the hell out of everyone.
[07:21]	DaemonFC	Guilt by association!
[07:21]	DaemonFC	Of course, violence is fine. We don't really mind violence do we?
[07:21]	DaemonFC	Why are we spending half our budget always being at war with people if we mind violence so much?
[07:21]	DaemonFC	When you vote, you're using violence.
[07:22]	DaemonFC	You're using state violence to control your neighbor.
[07:22]	loner	"cultural norms", some norms aren't cultural, they're natural, evolved over millions of years
[07:22]	DaemonFC	When mjg59_ sends Nancy Pelosi to the House to steal my paycheck and give it to someone else, he's using violence against me.
[07:22]	loner	*evolved in
[07:23]	DaemonFC	Yeah, you know, you go back thousands of years and rape was how most people got pregnant.
[07:23]	DaemonFC	There weren't any laws.
[07:23]	loner	i didn't live thousands of years ago, and i doubt it was a cultural norm at that time
[07:23]	DaemonFC	People were operating on a different level then.
[07:24]	DaemonFC	It was pretty common in many places.
[07:24]	DaemonFC	In some cultures, pedophilia was normalized, in that society. Greece did that.
[07:24]	DaemonFC	That was a cultural norm in Greece at a certain time.
[07:24]	DaemonFC	So, this respect for other cultures thing? Bullshit. It's more bullshit.
[07:25]	DaemonFC	The reason that American states have to raise marriage laws to 18 all of a sudden, is that Muslim perverts are moving here and raping children by "marrying" them.
[07:25]	DaemonFC	It wasn't a problem until now so the states didn't have to act on it really.
[07:26]	DaemonFC	They had all these old marriage laws on the books from when people died of old age at 40-45 and they started having kids at 13.
[07:26]	DaemonFC	Time to go deal with that. We have some Muslim perverts in the country now making a big fucking issue out of this.
[07:26]	DaemonFC	And since we can't throw them back, oh god no, we just have to regulate around the problems the sickos are causing.
[07:27]	loner	you won't provoke any argument with me over this
[07:27]	DaemonFC	This is what happens when the uncivilized world comes to live in your country.
[07:28]	DaemonFC	There was no "child bride" problem really until now. Like, before all these Muslims started happening, there were probably 2-3 marriages to a minor in an entire state over the course of a year. 
[07:29]	DaemonFC	And even then it probably wasn't "gross" it was probably two minors getting their parents to sign the marriage license.
[07:29]	loner	which country? usa? germany?
[07:29]	loner	i haven't got any data.
[07:29]	DaemonFC	The United States.
[07:30]	DaemonFC	My mom got married when she was 17 and my dad was 22.
[07:30]	DaemonFC	I mean, that's the whole reason why we were fine with "legal safeguards".
[07:31]	DaemonFC	Like your parents have to sign this, and then the judge has to talk to both of you.
[07:31]	DaemonFC	That's how it is in Indiana.
[07:32]	DaemonFC	You can get married at 16 to an adult of any age in Indiana, but you can't be an adjudicated delinquent, you have to be doing well in school, your parents have to sign it, the judge has to approve the thing.
[07:32]	DaemonFC	There's a lot of safeguards.
[07:32]	DaemonFC	But then you had these states like New Jersey.
[07:33]	DaemonFC	They recently changed it, but basically the system was so broken that parents would force 12 year olds into arranged marriages, and there was no judge, and you know....
[07:33]	DaemonFC	That's just ripe for abuse.
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[07:33]	DaemonFC	It gets around the rape laws. So the people who brought "rape culture" to the US are the Muslims. "Child rape culture"
[07:33]	DaemonFC	Let's see if Matt will touch that one.
[07:33]	loner	the Indiana legislation is reasonable, and similar to germany's
[07:34]	loner	and New Jersey, i question this, whatever legislation and safeguards existed, such must be _enforced_ somehow
[07:34]	loner	laws without compliance are, useless
[07:34]	DaemonFC	They had to wait until Chris Christie was out of office to change THAT law.
[07:34]	DaemonFC	He didn't want to "offend religious beliefs".
[07:34]	loner	could it be, New Jersey could have introduced any type of reasonable legislation and safeguards, but couldn't enforce compliance?
[07:35]	DaemonFC	They could enforce compliance.
[07:35]	DaemonFC	If you're not married and it's not on file with the state and you have sex with someone below the age of consent who is not your spouse, it is rape.
[07:35]	DaemonFC	That's the enforcement!
[07:36]	DaemonFC	States with higher age of consent laws that allow marriage under some circumstances to someone younger make exceptions for the statutory rape law.
[07:36]	DaemonFC	So perverts like to exploit that to prey on children and have the state be unable to stop them.
[07:37]	DaemonFC	Because when it's your spouse, it's not illegal.
[07:38]	DaemonFC	I think states should bring back felony adultery laws.
[07:38]	DaemonFC	There's a correct way to end a marriage and have sex outside of it.
[07:38]	DaemonFC	Go to the court and end the marriage.
[07:38]	loner	child abuse is criminal, regardless of what laws
[07:38]	DaemonFC	That's the thing though.
[07:39]	DaemonFC	A lot of pedophiles will marry their victim if they can.
[07:39]	DaemonFC	In some states, like Mississippi, it shuts down ACTIVE prosecutions for previous offenses!
[07:39]	loner	"pedophilia" is an euphemism
[07:39]	loner	in this context
[07:40]	DaemonFC	There's something we used to have in this country.....something that's gone missing.....
[07:40]	DaemonFC	Standards.
[07:40]	DaemonFC	:)
[07:45]	DaemonFC	Ariadne, Arch Linux patched DT_HASH back into glibc.
[07:45]	DaemonFC	LOL
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[09:34]	TR News	Raspberry Pi Monitor Not Working? Try These Fixes - Make Tech Easier https://www.maketecheasier.com/raspberry-pi-monitor-not-working-fixes/ Source: MakeTech Easier | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.maketecheasier.com/raspberry-pi-monitor-not-working-fixes/
[09:34]	TR Bot	 Raspberry Pi Monitor Not Working? Try These Fixes - Make Tech Easier
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[09:35]	TR News	BSD Now 469: Ctrl-C Reset https://www.bsdnow.tv/469 Source: The BSD Now Podcast "FreeBSD Q2 2022 Status Report, FreeBSD in Science, fastest yes(1) in the west, Why Programmers Cant "Reset" Programs With Ctrl-C, Run Slack in FreeBSDs Linuxulator, and more."
[09:35]	TR Bot	 BSD Now 469: Ctrl-C Reset
[09:37]	TR News	So deaths this summer are basically treble what they were two summers ago (the breakout). Is that really much progress? https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/25/covid-summers/
[09:37]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Tale of Three Summers of COVID-19 in the UK, as Told by Yesterdays Official Numbers
[09:37]	TR News	Britney has fired up Windows 3.11 to show were compatible with it, both on the IRC side and the Web side http://techrights.org/2022/08/24/techrights-backward-compatible/
[09:37]	TR Bot	 Techrights Compatible With Computers From 30+ Years Ago | Techrights
[09:44]	TR News	16 Open-source Starters and Boilerplate for Building Your SaaS Project https://medevel.com/16-os-saas/ Source: Medevel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//medevel.com/16-os-saas/
[09:44]	TR Bot	 16 Open-source Starters and Boilerplate for Building Your SaaS Project
[09:45]	TR News	ICBM: "With technology evolving faster than ever, here are seven things you can implement today to improve your leadership game and prepare your teams for the future of work." https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/8/it-leadership-prepare-future-work
[09:45]	TR Bot	 7 ways CIOs can prepare today for the future of work | The Enterprisers Project
[09:46]	TR News	Explore [buzzword] with Red Hat at ArgoCon 2022 | Red Hat Developer https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/08/25/explore-gitops-red-hat-argocon-2022 Source: XDA | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/08/25/explore-gitops-red-hat-argocon-2022
[09:46]	TR Bot	 Explore GitOps with Red Hat at ArgoCon 2022 | Red Hat Developer
[09:46]	TR News	"The just-in-time (JIT) compiler in OpenJDK improves Java performance through a number of optimizations, particularly in loops." https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/08/25/optimize-loops-long-variables-java
[09:46]	TR Bot	 Optimize loops with long variables in Java | Red Hat Developer
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[09:52]	TR News	x86 is doomed. Raspi copycat for 5 times the price, takes up a LOT more energy. https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/08/25/up-squared-2-is-a-compact-elkhart-lake-sbc-with-celeron-n6210-or-pentium-j6426-processor/
[09:52]	TR Bot	 UP Squared 2 is a compact Elkhart Lake SBC with Celeron N6210 or Pentium J6426 processor - CNX Software
[09:53]	schestowitz[TR]	psydruid: ^
● Aug 25
[10:05]	psydruid	yeah, lol
[10:07]	psydruid	as if x86 "compatibility" is worth paying 2-5 times the price
[10:07]	XRevan86	schestowitz: "it''s Vista 11; the service pack of Vista 10; to make it seem like something new gets made" <- Like I previously mentioned, to bump the requirements, which Microsoft is going to do again. Windows 12 is going to be even more elitist.
[10:08]	psydruid	everything from Intel Alder Lake and AMD Zen 3?
[10:08]	psydruid	in Redmond they're suffering from headless chicken syndrome
[10:10]	schestowitz[TR]	price of purcahse
[10:10]	schestowitz[TR]	the "TCO" is worse
[10:10]	schestowitz[TR]	like paying extra 20 dollars per year
[10:10]	schestowitz[TR]	for 5-10 years
[10:10]	schestowitz[TR]	just for electricity
[10:10]	TR News	 (NEW): StarFive VisionFive 2 quad-core RISC-V SBC launched for $46 and up (Crowdfunding) (UPDATED) https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/23/StarFive_VisionFive_2_quad_core_RISC_V_SBC_launched_for_46_and_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/23/StarFive_VisionFive_2_quad_core_RISC_V_SBC_launched_for_46_and_.gmi 
[10:10]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines StarFive VisionFive 2 quad-core RISC-V SBC launched for $46 and up (Crowdfunding) (UPDATED)
[10:11]	TR News	 (NEW): Using eBPF for network observability in the cloud https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Using_eBPF_for_network_observability_in_the_cloud.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Using_eBPF_for_network_observability_in_the_cloud.gmi 
[10:11]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Using eBPF for network observability in the cloud
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[10:12]	psydruid	Celeron N6210 isn't power-hungry, but it's also barely faster than a 20 ARM chip
[10:13]	psydruid	you won't want to run Vista 10/11 on it
[10:16]	techuser	souseksi: is your nickname related to Souseiseki from Rozen Maiden?
[10:17]	souseksi	techuser: yes, it is.
[10:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[10:27]	TR News	"There are old mushroom eaters, and there are bold mushroom eaters. But there are no old, bold mushroom eaters." gemini://tilde.pink/~telepta/gems/mushroom-eaters.gmi
[10:27]	TR News	Why You Should Hone Your Firecraft gemini://tilde.pink/~telepta/gems/firemaking-level.gmi
[10:28]	TR News	"Then generate server.crt and server.key with mkcert. However, what I'm interested in is automatically redirecting to the offline version if I visit the site in my browser. Fortunately, there is a very simple solution for this using the Redirector addon." gemini://remyabel.srht.site/posts/2022-08-25.gmi
[10:34]	TR News	 (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Android_Leftovers.gmi 
[10:34]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
[10:36]	TR News	IT [sic] Pro [sic] Today wants you to think that GNU/Linux is just some slave of Microsoft Windows. https://www.itprotoday.com/compute-engines/how-create-ubuntu-virtual-machines-easy-way
[10:36]	TR Bot	 How To Create an Ubuntu Virtual Machine on Windows 10 | ITPro Today: IT News, How-Tos, Trends, Case Studies, Career Tips, More
[10:36]	TR News	Meanwhile the criminals (Microsoft) make it exceedingly hard to dual-boot or just simply boot an OS of your choice http://techrights.org/2022/07/28/antitrust-dual-booting/
[10:36]	TR Bot	 Antitrust Action Against Microsoft is Well Overdue | Techrights
[10:38]	TR News	ZDNet had moved ti "infinite scroll" fraud/faux-UI to fake 'traffic' or 'engagement'. Their numbers must be really appalling as they did a rushed job. ZDnet is uglier now than it was in the 90s.
[10:40]	TR News	kernel/git/akpm/mm.git - akpm's fork of linux.git https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/akpm/mm.git/commit/?h=mm-unstable&id=7b3ef2e6a64440924ecbcc5b6d3f8b7966558c66 Source: Kernel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/akpm/mm.git/commit/?h=mm-unstable&id=7b3ef2e6a64440924ecbcc5b6d3f8b7966558c66
[10:40]	TR Bot	 kernel/git/akpm/mm.git - akpm's fork of linux.git
[10:42]	TR News	Microsoft Azure "embraces" Linux like Being "embraces" Uyghurs
[10:45]	schestowitz[TR]	Beijing
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[10:47]	TR News	Open-source storage for beginners with Ceph | Ubuntu https://ubuntu.com//blog/open-source-storage-for-beginners-with-ceph Source: Ubuntu | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//ubuntu.com//blog/open-source-storage-for-beginners-with-ceph
[10:47]	TR Bot	storage for beginners with Ceph | Ubuntu
[10:49]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/today_s_howtos.1.gmi 
[10:49]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[10:49]	MinceR	25 020933 < schestowitz[TR]> LAPD=LARD
[10:49]	MinceR	Duke Nukem 3D
[10:54]	TR News	 (NEW): Best Music Player for Linux https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Best_Music_Player_for_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Best_Music_Player_for_Linux.gmi 
[10:54]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Best Music Player for Linux
[10:55]	TR News	Kubernetes v1.25: Pod Security Admission Controller in Stable | Kubernetes https://kubernetes.io/blog/2022/08/25/pod-security-admission-stable/ Source: Kubernetes Blog | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//kubernetes.io/blog/2022/08/25/pod-security-admission-stable/
[10:55]	TR Bot	 Kubernetes v1.25: Pod Security Admission Controller in Stable | Kubernetes
[10:57]	TR News	 (NEW): Best text editor for Linux" https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Here_are_some_of_our_top_picks_for_text_editors_on_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Here_are_some_of_our_top_picks_for_text_editors_on_Linux.gmi 
[10:57]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Best text editor for Linux"
[10:58]	TR News	 (UPDATED): Kubernetes v1.25: Combiner (UPDATED) https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Kubernetes_v1_25_Combiner.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Kubernetes_v1_25_Combiner.gmi 
[10:58]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Kubernetes v1.25: Combiner (UPDATED)
[10:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.76 k/sec., IPFS upstream 130.61 average k/sec., average swarm size 116.83
● Aug 25
[11:02]	TR News	[PATCH] cr16: remove obsoleted port https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc-patches/2022-August/600296.html
[11:02]	TR Bot	 [PATCH] cr16: remove obsoleted port
[11:02]	TR News	The Future of KDAB CI - KDAB https://www.kdab.com/the-future-of-kdab-ci/ Source: KDAB | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.kdab.com/the-future-of-kdab-ci/
[11:02]	TR Bot	Future of KDAB CI - KDAB
[11:03]	TR News	 (NEW): Tails 5.4 is out https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Tails_5_4_is_out.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Tails_5_4_is_out.gmi 
[11:03]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Tails 5.4 is out
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[11:08]		*Helenah climbs into DaemonFC's lap and purrs
[11:13]	mjg59_	Wouldn't recommend that
[11:16]	DaemonFC	Why is that, Matt?
[11:16]	DaemonFC	You know what I say.
[11:16]	DaemonFC	Stop Asian Hate
[11:17]	MinceR	https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/married-people-trolling-each-other-29.jpg
[11:18]	schestowitz[TR]	ryan and matt are not married to each other yet
[11:18]	schestowitz[TR]	mandy and sarah michelle gellar are taken
[11:18]	DaemonFC	Matt won't bmarry LOVECRUFT afaik.
[11:19]	mjg59_	?
[11:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[11:21]	DaemonFC	Put a ring on it.
[11:22]	mjg59_	Still no clue what you're saying here
[11:22]	TR News	A lot of work for something so small. The pitfall of 3d printing for repairs is the time taken to 'manufacture' custom made part for a single piece https://jmtd.net/log/shoe_cabinet_repair/
[11:22]	TR Bot	 jmtd log IKEA HEMNES Shoe cabinet repair
[11:25]	DaemonFC	I'm trying to look into what proportion of vulnerabilities in Firefox are related to the JavaScript engine and exactly how bad they tend to be.
[11:25]	DaemonFC	Mozilla tries to hide their bugs for years after they fix them though.
[11:26]	DaemonFC	So it's difficult to get much good and recent information.
[11:26]	DaemonFC	Also, this is just the kind of stuff they tend to find on their own or with fuzz testing. There's absolutely no guarantee that they're finding the worst stuff that nation states are hoarding.
[11:27]	DaemonFC	At least some of it appears to be found when Firefox encounters some actual JavaScript and crashes and "telemetry" reports on that crash often enough.
[11:27]		*Helenah simulates hunting and tears up a cardboard box
[11:28]		*Helenah scratches the sofa to sharpen her claws
[11:28]	DaemonFC	SHHHHHH!!!! Be vewy vewy quiet.
[11:28]	DaemonFC	I'm hunting wabbits and Garretts.
[11:28]		*Helenah looks at DaemonFC then looks at mjg59_
[11:28]	DaemonFC	I got you now you wascawy wabbit!
[11:28]		*Helenah climbs into mjg59_'s lap and purrs
[11:29]	schestowitz[TR]	<DaemonFC> Mozilla tries to hide their bugs for years after they fix them though.
[11:29]	schestowitz[TR]	"it's not a bug"
[11:29]	schestowitz[TR]	it's a FICHER!
[11:29]		*DaemonFC uses Elmer Fudd's New Liberal Toilet Plunger on mjg59_ 
[11:29]	schestowitz[TR]	for gulag.. like DRM (EME)
[11:29]	schestowitz[TR]	and removing RSS support
[11:29]	mjg59_	Helenah: I've never met you so that's probably inappropriate
[11:29]	Helenah	oh
[11:29]	schestowitz[TR]	and making it harder to block ads
[11:29]	schestowitz[TR]	etc etc
[11:29]	MinceR	
[11:29]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, You're missing out.
[11:29]	DaemonFC	;)
[11:30]	schestowitz[TR]	MinceR: cheeto powder?
[11:30]	MinceR	no
[11:30]	MinceR	popcorn
[11:30]	schestowitz[TR]	with cheeto powder
[11:30]	MinceR	no
[11:30]	DaemonFC	I think schestowitz[TR] means those kernel seasons things.
[11:30]	mjg59_	Helenah: Not a concern, just an expression of boundaries
[11:30]	DaemonFC	I'm fond of the ranch myself.
[11:32]	DaemonFC	Dear diary.....TIL mjg59_ has boundaries and that he's no longer primarily driven by Fear Of Missing Out, or FOMO. Could it be that he's becoming human? What are the implications for this? Clearly must study subject further and report, for science!
[11:32]	TR News	"This is quick guide howto install Kernel 6.0-rc2 on Fedora 36 with or without latest NVIDIA 515.65.01 drivers. If you have NVIDIA 515.65.01 already installed, then you still have to update your drivers with patched version." https://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2022/kernel-60-fedora-36-nvidia/
[11:32]	TR Bot	 Kernel 6.0-rc2 + Fedora 36 + NVIDIA 515.65.01 If Not True Then False
[11:33]	schestowitz[TR]	comes to channel of site he wishes to undermine
[11:33]	schestowitz[TR]	to lecture us on "boundaries"
[11:33]	schestowitz[TR]	pass the popcorn, MinceR 
[11:33]		*Helenah scratches DaemonFC in the eye for treating mjg59_ like a lab rat
[11:34]	TR News	Bluetooth + Electrical switchgear | Pen Test Partners https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/bluetooth-electrical-switchgear/ Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/bluetooth-electrical-switchgear/
[11:34]	TR Bot	 Bluetooth + Electrical switchgear | Pen Test Partners
[11:34]	DaemonFC	Relax, I was just going to test shampoo on him so they don't have to do it to the animals.
[11:34]		*MinceR hands schestowitz[TR] a fresh bag of popcorn
[11:34]	Helenah	schestowitz[TR]: hmm?
[11:34]	DaemonFC	Just for that, you get Brand X.
[11:34]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: Could you explain the conflict here?
[11:35]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: As in, what precisely is incompatible between me having boundaries about interpersonal interaction and me expressing that I think your behaviour is harmful?
[11:35]	schestowitz[TR]	you are incappable of understanding
[11:36]	schestowitz[TR]	you are like Mr. Data
[11:36]	schestowitz[TR]	from Google Inc.
[11:36]	schestowitz[TR]	The Data Company
[11:36]	mjg59_	A company that I no longer work for, as you keep pointing out
[11:36]	Helenah	Oh I thought Mr Data was from Star Trek, my bad!
[11:36]	TR News	 (NEW): Videos and Shows: Cutting-Edge Kernel, The Linux Link Tech Show, and BSD Now https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Videos_and_Shows_Cutting_Edge_Kernel_The_Linux_Link_Tech_Show_a.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Videos_and_Shows_Cutting_Edge_Kernel_The_Linux_Link_Tech_Show_a.gmi 
[11:36]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Videos and Shows: Cutting-Edge Kernel, The Linux Link Tech Show, and BSD Now
[11:37]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR]: What's the hypocrisy here?
[11:37]	DaemonFC	<Helenah> Oh I thought Mr Data was from Star Trek, my bad!
[11:37]	DaemonFC	If anything, mjg59_ would be like Lore, only far less capable. 
[11:38]		*Helenah sniffs schestowitz[TR]'s bag and discovers the smell of popcorn inside
[11:38]		*Helenah steals schestowitz[TR]'s popcorn
[11:38]	DaemonFC	Remember when Lore pretended to be Data and told the Crystalline Entity to come eat everyone else on the Enterprise?
[11:40]	mjg59_	Helenah: The rough situation is that DaemonFC and schestowitz[TR] both criticise me at length but never actually engage in discussion about that criticism
[11:41]	mjg59_	Which is not to say that they're wrong for disagreeing with me (I disagree with them a lot) but they'll never actually spend time discussing that disagreement
[11:41]	mjg59_	DaemonFC will start talking about random unrelated things instead, schestowitz[TR] will just stop responding
[11:41]	Helenah	Awww
[11:42]	DaemonFC	It's unbelievable how bad Star Trek is at times.
[11:42]	Helenah	DaemonFC: Vague.
[11:42]	DaemonFC	But then again, some liberal pussies in California do it, so.....
[11:42]	mjg59_	Case in point
[11:43]	DaemonFC	The woman who killed the Crystalline Entity was portrayed as a villain for destroying something that lived by stripping all life off of entire planets as it went along.
[11:43]	DaemonFC	She kills this thing and then her career is ruined and they put HER on trial for it.
[11:44]	mjg59_	Yeah she was protrayed that way because at a point where they were successfully communicating with it in a way that may have deescalated the situation, she killed it
[11:44]	DaemonFC	After it kills everyone on a federation colony!
[11:44]	TR News	[RFC PATCH v2 0/6] add support for CDX bus controller - Nipun Gupta https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220817150542.483291-1-nipun.gupta@amd.com/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220817150542.483291-1-nipun.gupta@amd.com/
[11:44]	TR Bot	 [RFC PATCH v2 0/6] add support for CDX bus controller - Nipun Gupta
[11:44]	DaemonFC	<mjg59_> Yeah she was protrayed that way because at a point where they were successfully communicating with it in a way that may have deescalated the situation, she killed it
[11:44]	DaemonFC	Thus de-escalating the situation. The thing is dead and won't ever kill again.
[11:45]	mjg59_	I feel like you've failed to understand the goals of the Federation here
[11:45]	DaemonFC	When there's a rabid bear out going around mauling people, you don't stop and talk to it. You SHOOT IT.
[11:45]	DaemonFC	<mjg59_> I feel like you've failed to understand the goals of the Federation here
[11:45]	DaemonFC	I do understand these types of people.
[11:45]	DaemonFC	You actually run into them sometimes.
[11:46]	DaemonFC	They talk and they talk and you go around in circles and they never fix anything.
[11:46]	DaemonFC	Like the people who argue child molesters have rights.
[11:46]	DaemonFC	The Crystalline Entity had to be killed for the greater good.
[11:47]	mjg59_	If you watch Star Trek with the social expecations of, well, you, then yeah, you end up with undesirable outcomes
[11:47]	mjg59_	Beacuse the show is extremely clearly based around a different ethical framework
[11:47]	DaemonFC	It is idiotic to allow one thing to live as it needs to kill billions of lifeforms to do that.
[11:47]	DaemonFC	<mjg59_> Beacuse the show is extremely clearly based around a different ethical framework
[11:47]	DaemonFC	One which is clearly incorrect.
[11:48]	mjg59_	"Let This Be Your Last Battlefield" was incompatible with social mores of the time
[11:49]	mjg59_	If you want to argue that Star Trek had the wrong moral framework then sure you can do that
[11:49]	DaemonFC	Actually, things haven't improved much.
[11:49]	mjg59_	But the episodes exist within that framework, so criticising them for being aligned with it is bizarre
[11:49]	TR News	 (NEW): Plasma 5.25 for Jammy 22.04 available via PPA https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Plasma_5_25_for_Jammy_22_04_available_via_PPA.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Plasma_5_25_for_Jammy_22_04_available_via_PPA.gmi 
[11:49]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Plasma 5.25 for Jammy 22.04 available via PPA
[11:50]	TR News	[PATCH 0/4] Add support for atomic async page-flips - Simon Ser https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20220824150834.427572-1-contact@emersion.fr/
[11:50]	TR Bot	 [PATCH 0/4] Add support for atomic async page-flips - Simon Ser
[11:50]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, Occasionally I've found myself in agreement with something put forward, but only rarely.
[11:50]	Helenah	schestowitz[TR]: Am I like an Android? o.o
[11:50]	TR News	SmartOS 20220825 is out https://www.tritondatacenter.com/smartos
[11:50]	TR Bot	 SmartOS | Joyent
[11:51]	DaemonFC	Again, when they made contact with the Borg, everyone warned Picard what they were, and in his arrogance (he later admitted as much) he almost got the entire crew killed by trying to negotiate with the Borg instead of fleeing.
[11:51]	DaemonFC	Or immediately trying to find some way they've overlooked of attacking them and getting them by surprise.
[11:51]	schestowitz[TR]	Helenah: not you
[11:52]	DaemonFC	Ignoring Q? Okay, yeah.
[11:52]	mjg59_	That's not really how Q Who goes
[11:52]	DaemonFC	But he trusted Guinan.
[11:52]	Helenah	Okies
[11:52]	DaemonFC	Sloppy writing.
[11:53]	DaemonFC	It's established that Guinan and Q hate each other.
[11:53]	DaemonFC	So if they both agree that the Borg are dangerous and impossible to reason with, why ignore that?
[11:53]	TR News	IBM emeritus Irving Wladawsky-Berger: The Economic Potential of the Internet of Things https://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2022/08/the-economic-potential-of-the-internet-of-things.html Source: IBM Old Timer | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2022/08/the-economic-potential-of-the-internet-of-things.html
[11:53]	TR Bot	 Irving Wladawsky-Berger: The Economic Potential of the Internet of Things
[11:54]	DaemonFC	The only reason the Borg delayed their attack at all was because they had never encountered a federation ship before and were busy assessing it.
[11:55]	Helenah	borg
[11:55]	Helenah	cyborg
[11:55]	DaemonFC	They were no doubt running all sorts of scans on it and the crew.
[11:55]	Helenah	<===[ Cyborg ]
[11:55]	Helenah	okies
[11:56]	DaemonFC	Picard managed to blow the time he had while the Borg were amused and collecting points of data.
[11:56]	DaemonFC	Which doesn't say much for his command abilities.
[11:57]	DaemonFC	Time and time again, the Federation proves that it's too indecisive and weak to survive.
[11:57]	MinceR	not to worry, it has plot armor
[11:57]	DaemonFC	If Star Trek was real, the Romulans and Klingons would have destroyed it.
[11:58]	DaemonFC	MinceR, Yes, plot armor is the only thing protecting it.
[11:59]	Helenah	:3
[11:59]	Helenah	Meowwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[11:59]	DaemonFC	There are no governments in the world today that exist peacefully and are unmolested by their neighbors if they have anything of value worth invading for and no military to protect them.
[11:59]	DaemonFC	There's a reason for that.
● Aug 25
[12:00]	DaemonFC	Star Trek sees people "evolving" past violence and subjugating each other, but humans never will.
[12:00]	TR News	 (NEW): ODROID-Go Ultra portable gaming console and devkit coming soon with Amlogic S922X SoC https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/ODROID_Go_Ultra_portable_gaming_console_and_devkit_coming_soon_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/ODROID_Go_Ultra_portable_gaming_console_and_devkit_coming_soon_.gmi 
[12:00]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines ODROID-Go Ultra portable gaming console and devkit coming soon with Amlogic S922X SoC
[12:00]	DaemonFC	You're either strong enough to defend yourself or someone will kill you for what you have.
[12:01]	TR News	IBM / Red Hat Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/IBM_Red_Hat_Leftovers.shtml
[12:01]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines IBM / Red Hat Leftovers"
[12:02]	DaemonFC	Showing weakness to strength is not ever going to be a good idea.
[12:03]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, How do you figure the real world works anyway?
[12:03]	DaemonFC	Do you think people in Chicago aren't always looking for the weakest person to mug?
[12:03]	DaemonFC	Why do you think they prefer to go after the elderly?
[12:04]	DaemonFC	It's like a wolf waiting for an old sick person or a child to wander off.
[12:04]	DaemonFC	You pounce on the weak and you get an easy meal.
[12:04]	schestowitz[TR]	<DaemonFC> mjg59_, How do you figure the real world works anyway?
[12:04]	schestowitz[TR]	he fancies himself "CopOps" in this channel
[12:05]	schestowitz[TR]	here to "protect people"
[12:05]	schestowitz[TR]	corporations are people, my friend!
[12:05]	DaemonFC	"That THING lives because children wander off!" -Rick Sanchez to Jerry (Rick & Morty) (as the thing is eating Jerry)
[12:06]	schestowitz[TR]	COCporations: BE NICE!!!
[12:06]	DaemonFC	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=InFMlXL_Bbo
[12:06]	TR Bot	 Jerry is used as bait | Rick and Morty S03E05 Full HD - Invidious
[12:06]	DaemonFC	This. mjg59_ ^
[12:07]	TR News	 (NEW): IBM / Red Hat Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/IBM_Red_Hat_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/IBM_Red_Hat_Leftovers.gmi 
[12:07]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/today_s_leftovers.gmi 
[12:07]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's leftovers
[12:08]	TR News	Links 25/08/2022: Tails 5.4 and EasyOS 4.3.5 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/25/tails-5-4/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/25/tails-5-4/
[12:08]	TR Bot	 Links 25/08/2022: Tails 5.4 and EasyOS 4.3.5 | Techrights
[12:09]	schestowitz[TR]	corporations use minorities and women (not!) as "human shields"
[12:09]	schestowitz[TR]	their weapons are pretences and posers
[12:09]	schestowitz[TR]	who falsely claim to represent the uvulnerable
[12:09]	schestowitz[TR]	while bagging $200,000 per annum
[12:14]	Helenah	DaemonFC: QUIT BABBLING BOY!
[12:15]	schestowitz[TR]	he has been like this as long as I have known him online
[12:16]	DaemonFC	All of the Captain Hook memes after the alligator swallowed that kid dressed up like Hook at Disney World.
[12:16]	DaemonFC	I'm telling you, people are mean.
[12:16]	DaemonFC	Mr. GULAG acts like I'm the worst.
[12:16]		*techuser (~techuser@w4riy9batfvrn.irc) has joined #techrights
[12:19]	MinceR	25 130008 < DaemonFC> Star Trek sees people "evolving" past violence and subjugating each other, but humans never will.
[12:19]	MinceR	humans will just go extinct
[12:19]	MinceR	probably by their own effort
[12:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[12:20]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: there was one called diablod3
[12:20]	schestowitz[TR]	he was worse
[12:20]	schestowitz[TR]	iirc, his real name was patrick
[12:20]	schestowitz[TR]	he was more offnsive to women than you are
[12:21]	schestowitz[TR]	and didn't use his gayness as excuse for this
[12:21]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe even did that deliberately
[12:22]	TR News	Thunderbird Tips: Rearrange The Order Of Your Accounts https://blog.thunderbird.net/2022/08/thunderbird-tips-rearrange-the-order-of-your-accounts/ Source: Thunderbird | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.thunderbird.net/2022/08/thunderbird-tips-rearrange-the-order-of-your-accounts/
[12:22]	TR Bot	 Thunderbird Tips: Rearrange The Order Of Your Accounts
[12:22]	Helenah	schestowitz[TR]: DaemonFC uses his own Homosexuality to justify his misogyny and transphobia? o.o
[12:22]	TR News	KDE neon 20220825 is ready for download https://neon.kde.org/
[12:22]	TR Bot	 KDE neon
[12:23]	Helenah	MinceR: What if humanity doesn't go extinct?
[12:23]	Helenah	This is all speculation...
[12:24]	techuser	Helenah: it will, sooner or later
[12:24]	techuser	the question is when
[12:24]	DaemonFC	Humans are confined to one planet.
[12:24]	DaemonFC	In a solar system where only one planet can support human life.
[12:24]	MinceR	Helenah: then it becomes something quite unlike its current self
[12:25]	schestowitz[TR]	all animals go extinct
[12:25]	MinceR	and if current "conservatives" knew that, they'd wish it would just go extinct instead
[12:25]	schestowitz[TR]	humans go extinct faster
[12:25]	Helenah	MinceR: Yep but this is the thing, one can't predict if humanity in lets say 500 years time will be a lot better or a lot worse
[12:25]	DaemonFC	Humans aren't well suited for living on any other planet in this solar system long term and without fresh supplies from Earth arriving occasionally.
[12:26]	MinceR	anti-science, anti-intellectualism, religious fundamentalism and bigotry are all incompatible with long term survival
[12:26]	schestowitz[TR]	which execerbates warning and energy drainage
[12:26]	Helenah	Agreed
[12:26]	schestowitz[TR]	*warming
[12:26]	schestowitz[TR]	like firing rockets with supples to another planet
[12:26]	MinceR	also, humanity has fucked up many things that are greatly lowering the chances of survival
[12:27]	schestowitz[TR]	https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Finland-Braces-For-Rolling-Blackouts-This-Winter.html
[12:27]	TR Bot	Braces For Rolling Blackouts This Winter | OilPrice.com
[12:27]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/swiss-say-energy-supplies-safe-now-winter-shortages-loom-2022-07-20/
[12:27]	TR Bot	brace for rolling four-hour blackouts in any energy crunch | Reuters
[12:27]	Helenah	schestowitz[TR]: You'd be depleting one planet (definitely is lift sustaining) to supply another planet (Most likely won't be lib sustaining)
[12:27]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1651234/blackout-britain-star-energy-warning-electricity-risk-return-to-1970s
[12:27]	TR Bot	BRITAIN: Stark energy warning as '24/7 electricity' at risk in return to 1970s | UK | News | Express.co.uk
[12:27]	Helenah	And what consequences will this have on earth?
[12:27]	schestowitz[TR]	gee, the future is BRIGHT..... SOME of the time ;-)
[12:28]	MinceR	oh, it is bright
[12:28]	schestowitz[TR]	then there is fallout
[12:28]	MinceR	in 5 billion years, the Sun will encompass the orbit of the Earth
[12:28]	DaemonFC	The sun will expand and destroy....
[12:28]	MinceR	imagine how bright it will be here then.
[12:28]	DaemonFC	Yeah, that.
[12:28]	schestowitz[TR]	humans won't reach that far
[12:28]	MinceR	indeed
[12:28]	schestowitz[TR]	they will detonate nukes first
[12:28]	Helenah	Yeah
[12:28]	Helenah	but you were talking about the "exinction of humans" and not the "extinction of life on earth"
[12:29]	MinceR	in about 1 billion years, the Sun will remove the Earth's atmosphere and water
[12:29]	Helenah	So I didn't realise you guys were gonna go off on a tangent and talk about the lifespan of the sun and what it will do end of life.
[12:29]	MinceR	the extinction of Earth life is guaranteed unless intelligent beings save it
[12:29]	MinceR	after humans exterminate themselves, there won't be a lot of time for intelligent life to evolve
[12:29]	MinceR	and even if it does, easily exploited resources will be much scarcer
[12:29]	schestowitz[TR]	MinceR: or takes Lolita Express to Mars
[12:29]	techuser	is "intelligent life" possible?
[12:30]	MinceR	probably
[12:30]	techuser	humans exist because instincts
[12:30]	techuser	life has no purpose
[12:30]	MinceR	intelligence is not mutually exclusive with self-replication
[12:30]	MinceR	if humans could make Mars livable for themselves, they could also fix Earth
[12:33]	schestowitz[TR]	Mars is not for humans
[12:33]	schestowitz[TR]	it's for tooligarchs
[12:33]	schestowitz[TR]	they don't want to fix what they depart
[12:33]	schestowitz[TR]	or hope to depart
[12:33]	schestowitz[TR]	they need many peasnats here to pack up "supplies"
[12:34]	schestowitz[TR]	or so the crazy ones hope
[12:34]	MinceR	they can't fix Mars either
[12:34]	schestowitz[TR]	the "transplanetary"
[12:34]	schestowitz[TR]	they can get fried there
[12:34]	schestowitz[TR]	or freeze to death at night
[12:34]	schestowitz[TR]	guess what
[12:34]	schestowitz[TR]	at mars they don't hunour your money
[12:34]	schestowitz[TR]	*honour
[12:35]	schestowitz[TR]	planetary miugration as a form of eugenics
[12:35]	schestowitz[TR]	tenanting based on wealth
[12:36]	DaemonFC	Mars wouldn't be pleasant even if you could live there.
[12:36]	schestowitz[TR]	as crazy as that sound
[12:36]	schestowitz[TR]	this is how they thinkmk
[12:36]	schestowitz[TR]	to migrate their family there
[12:36]	schestowitz[TR]	"we are moving to Mars"
[12:36]	schestowitz[TR]	and then hope to build pedestal for their dead ancestors
[12:36]	Helenah	MinceR: Yep
[12:36]	schestowitz[TR]	or something inane like that
[12:36]	TR News	"Googling revealed multiple solutions that enabled me to accomplish my goals to great degree of customizability." https://blog.bithole.dev/blogposts/nginx-sqlite-log/ | Source: Adriaan Zhang
[12:36]	TR Bot	 Logging Requests with SQLite and Nginx
[12:36]	MinceR	"get your ass to Mars!"
[12:36]	schestowitz[TR]	Earth is "working bees" to them
[12:36]	schestowitz[TR]	a company on its way down
[12:36]	Helenah	They'll be able to fix earth because terraforming mars would be an extremely difficult and expensive task.
[12:36]	TR News	"Since I joined Charm, Ive been working and learning more about SSH" https://carlosbecker.com/posts/ssh-tips-and-tricks/ |
[12:36]	TR Bot	 SSH tips and tricks | Carlos Becker
[12:37]	Helenah	And it would take decades, probably more.
[12:37]	DaemonFC	You can't really terraform Mars though.
[12:37]	Helenah	DaemonFC: I never said you could.
[12:37]	schestowitz[TR]	they make greenhouses
[12:37]	schestowitz[TR]	or uncubators
[12:37]	schestowitz[TR]	or solonies with bubbles
[12:37]	schestowitz[TR]	not the whole lot
[12:37]	Helenah	schestowitz[TR]: Can Mr DaemonFC actually comprehend?
[12:37]	MinceR	that would be a fun way to go
[12:37]	schestowitz[TR]	*colonies
[12:37]	MinceR	tiny meteorite hits your greenhouse, you suffocate and die
[12:37]	schestowitz[TR]	but need supply to kickstart it
[12:38]	schestowitz[TR]	they also talk aboout engineering plant to better suit the climate in Mars etc.
[12:38]	schestowitz[TR]	if they have a bunker on earth the "plebs" an get to them
[12:38]	schestowitz[TR]	at sea, too
[12:38]	schestowitz[TR]	in the air you cannot stay foreveerrr
[12:38]	schestowitz[TR]	the average "peasant" cannot organise to "get them" on the moon
[12:39]	schestowitz[TR]	it takes a lot of coordination to make a space mission
[12:39]	TR News	"Ive been trying to learn Golang recently." https://earthly.dev/blog/pong-part2/ | Source: Earthly
[12:39]	TR Bot	 Building Pong in Your Terminal: Part Two - Earthly Blog
[12:40]	TR News	FreeBSD https://xyinn.org/md/freebsd/framework_laptop |
[12:40]	TR Bot	 FreeBSD on the Framework Laptop |@fearedbliss
[12:40]	TR News	"One of the computer modules in modern vehicles listens to the radio waves for signals" https://www.downtowndougbrown.com/2022/08/solving-my-trucks-tpms-sensor-problem-with-the-help-of-an-rtl-sdr-dongle/ | Source: Doug Brown
[12:40]	TR Bot	 Downtown Doug Brown Solving my trucks TPMS sensor problem with the help of an RTL-SDR dongle
[12:41]	TR News	iophk: this story neglects to mention, perhaps intentionally, that there are official id cards which can be used online and do not require bank access https://yle.fi/news/3-12590858
[12:41]	TR Bot	 Bank account obstacles creating Finland's "second class citizens" | News | Yle Uutiset
[12:42]	TR News	Today Our Life is a Recording. Which Someone can Play Back https://odysee.com/@RobBraxmanTech:6/internetrecord:6
[12:42]	TR Bot	 Today Our Life is a Recording. Which Someone can Play Back
[12:42]	TR News	ISDS in action? https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/business/22086-russia-s-rosatom-files-claims-worth-3bn-against-finland-s-fennovoima.html
[12:42]	TR Bot	( status 502 @ https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/business/22086-russia-s-rosatom-files-claims-worth-3bn-against-finland-s-fennovoima.html )
[12:43]	TR News	"... users don't so much delete data as put it into some kind of quantum state where its existence is just kind of uncertain as opposed to destroyed ..." https://risky.biz/RB675 warning, these guys shill azure
[12:43]	TR Bot	 Risky Business #675 -- The problem with Mudge's whistleblowing complaint - Risky Business
[12:43]	TR News	old: Everyone seems to forget why GNOME and GNOME 3 and Unity happened https://liam-on-linux.dreamwidth.org/85359.html Source: Liam Proven | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//liam-on-linux.dreamwidth.org/85359.html
[12:43]	TR Bot	 liam_on_linux | Everyone seems to forget why GNOME and GNOME 3 and Unity happened
[12:44]	Helenah	You know these like...
[12:44]	Helenah	mass murderer setups where it would be like two of them, possibly like a husband and wife
[12:44]	MinceR	apparently Liam hasn't seen RISC OS up close
[12:44]	Helenah	One would probs like... always put the other one at an advantage doing the murders...
[12:45]	Helenah	I believe in some cases, the one putting the other at an advantage is a follower is Stockholm syndrome.
[12:45]	MinceR	or GNOME, or KDE
[12:45]	MinceR	"without a Start menu"
[12:45]	Helenah	Anyone read into the venables case? Robert Thompson was following John Venables who was leading the evil act.
[12:45]	MinceR	they all have a button that brings up launchers for a lot of applications
[12:46]	MinceR	none of them call it "Start"
[12:46]	Helenah	Younger child killers of the 20th century
[12:46]	Helenah	Meaning the killers were children
[12:46]	Helenah	Robert kept his head down
[12:46]	Helenah	John Venables still offends to this day
[12:47]	Helenah	They both killed a toddler at I think 10 years old
[12:47]	Helenah	And I think one thing to blame for why Venables is the way he is, is environmental, he has a very rough background.
[12:48]	TR News	"I had the pleasure of speaking to Brodie Robertson recently on the subject of Linux Gaming, Steam Deck and all sorts of things for you" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/check-out-my-appearance-with-brodie-on-tech-over-tea/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[12:48]	TR Bot	out my appearance with Brodie on Tech Over Tea | GamingOnLinux
[12:48]	Helenah	I'm not justifying his behaviour as right, merely explaining reasonings why he had grown up to be that way.
[12:48]	Helenah	*reasons
[12:48]	schestowitz[TR]	women who drown their own babies is tragic too
[12:49]	schestowitz[TR]	then again, in china some women let them rot
[12:49]	schestowitz[TR]	and there are those who leave tghem iin skips/bins
[12:49]	Helenah	If you ever read up on psychology, narcissists, people with ASPD (Anti-Social Personality Disorder/Sociopathy), one reason for these that has been proven is abusive parents.
[12:49]	schestowitz[TR]	humans are not very caring animalk
[12:49]	schestowitz[TR]	*animals
[12:49]	TR News	"Valve has confirmed two tasty bits of info today for those waiting on getting a Steam Deck" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/steam-deck-reservations-continue-to-grow-now-at-its-highest-point/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[12:49]	TR Bot	Deck reservations continue to grow, now at its highest point | GamingOnLinux
[12:49]	Helenah	Abusive parents can create a sick human being.
[12:49]	Helenah	Mentally sick
[12:49]	Helenah	One that will murder, rape, do all sorts of terrible things.
[12:49]	Helenah	And such people are partly to blame for such behaviours.
[12:50]	TR News	"Another reasonably good pick here from Humble Bundle with the Career Break Bundle." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/get-the-likes-of-parkitect-and-project-hospital-in-this-latest-game-bundle/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[12:50]	TR Bot	the likes of Parkitect and Project Hospital in this latest game bundle | GamingOnLinux
[12:50]	techuser	parents should be considered to be evil by default
[12:50]	Helenah	For conditioning a human into bad ways of being.
[12:50]	schestowitz[TR]	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Fish
[12:50]	TR Bot	 Albert Fish - Wikipedia
[12:50]	MinceR	s/parents/humans/
[12:50]	Helenah	There was a case where...
[12:50]	Helenah	And some parents can't deal with children
[12:50]	Helenah	so anyway...
[12:51]	schestowitz[TR]	"Fish's family had a history of mental illness. His uncle had mania, one of his brothers was confined in a state mental hospital, and his sister Annie was diagnosed with a "mental affliction". Three other relatives were diagnosed with mental illnesses, and his mother had "aural and/or visual hallucinations""
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[12:51]	techuser	IRC is better than children!
[12:51]	Helenah	These two parents killed their daughter when she hit puberty due to her behaviour, they couldn't cope with her puberty
[12:51]	Helenah	and their evil solution to that was to be rid of her so they killed her.
[12:51]	Helenah	Fuckin' wrong but...
[12:51]	Helenah	There is a reason behind everything.
[12:52]	techuser	why would one want to bring a misbehaving person to their home?
[12:52]	Helenah	techuser: You will say IRC is better than anything, on another day I saw you say "IRC is better than sex!"
[12:52]	TR News	"Stop me if you've heard this before, but I've discovered another game that takes elements from Vampire Survivor" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/boneraiser-minions-is-probably-my-next-100-hour-indie-obession/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[12:52]	TR Bot	Minions is probably my next 100 hour indie obsession | GamingOnLinux
[12:52]	techuser	for 18+ years
[12:52]	techuser	entire life ruined
[12:52]	techuser	wasn't the first time I said IRC is better than sex
[12:52]	TR News	"the developer behind them has died after a battle with Cancer" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/waves-and-waves-2-notorious-are-now-free-after-developer-passed-away/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[12:52]	TR Bot	and Waves 2: Notorious are now free after developer passed away | GamingOnLinux
[12:53]	Helenah	techuser: Children misbehave because they've been conditioned to be that way, a child is born an empty slate, it doesn't know to behave or misbehave at that point, it has no concept of behaviour and doesn't know what behaving is.
[12:53]	TR News	"Radio General - Water Rats is the first paid expansion for the positively rated unique strategy game" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/command-armies-over-voice-comms-radio-general-water-rats-expansion-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[12:53]	TR Bot	armies over voice comms, Radio General - Water Rats expansion out now | GamingOnLinux
[12:53]	techuser	a case when developer death is good?
[12:53]	TR News	"predatory practices" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/games-publisher-pqube-accused-of-predatory-practices-and-being-manipulative/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[12:53]	TR Bot	publisher PQube accused of 'predatory practices' and being manipulative (updated) | GamingOnLinux
[12:53]	Helenah	It's only as a child learns things about the world that it starts doing more things.
[12:53]	Helenah	You condition a child
[12:53]	Helenah	automatically via nurture
[12:54]	Helenah	That shapes that shape
[12:54]	techuser	could as well be chatting on IRC, instead of talking with children
[12:54]	Helenah	*child
[12:54]	schestowitz[TR]	ssome parents are like children
[12:54]	Helenah	techuser: I like children...
[12:54]	schestowitz[TR]	and if they lose their capacity to think clearly, more so
[12:55]	Helenah	Love em but I'm happy with my cat...
[12:55]	techuser	read books, watch movies, use computers, etc
[12:55]	schestowitz[TR]	cats are a lot less work
[12:55]	techuser	both cats and children waste one's money
[12:55]	schestowitz[TR]	they don't even need a walk in ther park, unlike dogs
[12:55]	schestowitz[TR]	also, cats don't contemplate suicide, unlike kids
[12:56]	TR News	"Vim has the following three line numbering modes:Absolute line numberRelative line numberHybrid line number" https://vitux.com/how-to-show-or-hide-line-numbers-in-vim/ | Source: Vitux
[12:56]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://vitux.com/how-to-show-or-hide-line-numbers-in-vim/ )
[12:56]	techuser	love is expensive
[12:57]		*CrystalMath (~coderain@mcttbtsji475k.irc) has joined #techrights
[12:58]	schestowitz[TR]	if you love nature, love is free
[12:58]	MinceR	generally cats are much nicer than humans
[12:59]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe humans need selective breeding then
[12:59]	schestowitz[TR]	to become like domesticated cats
[12:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 40.36 k/sec., IPFS upstream 98.78 average k/sec., average swarm size 120.78
● Aug 25
[13:00]	TR News	"Written in Python and Javascript, Ajenti provides a powerful and intuitive UI that is lightweight and resource-friendly." https://www.tecmint.com/install-ajenti-control-panel-debian-ubuntu/ | Source: TecMint
[13:00]	TR Bot	 How to Install Ajenti Control Panel in Debian and Ubuntu
[13:00]	TR News	"According to the IPQ8072A datasheet, the SoC offers four ARM Cortex A53 with a max frequency of 2GHz." https://linuxgizmos.com/networking-embedded-board-taps-qualcomm-processor-4x-1gbe-ports-and-1x-10gbe-port/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
[13:00]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/networking-embedded-board-taps-qualcomm-processor-4x-1gbe-ports-and-1x-10gbe-port/ )
[13:01]	TR News	"Even though the technology related news media isn't about inhibiting thinking or controlling the masses" https://unixsheikh.com/articles/do-you-feel-overwhelmed-trying-to-stay-up-to-date-with-the-latest-tech-news.html | Source: Unix Sheikh
[13:01]	TR Bot	 Do you feel overwhelmed trying to stay up to date with the latest tech news?
[13:01]	schestowitz[TR]	techuser: some human love can be free too
[13:01]	schestowitz[TR]	but not if yiou have kids
[13:01]	schestowitz[TR]	it's a money sink
[13:02]	schestowitz[TR]	and demanding spouses are too
[13:02]	schestowitz[TR]	that begets a need for high income
[13:02]	schestowitz[TR]	and then you are rendered eternal slave ("provider")
[13:02]	schestowitz[TR]	then that leads to ncoonflict
[13:02]	schestowitz[TR]	and escalates into dovorces and resentment, neflect of soffpsinring
[13:02]	schestowitz[TR]	that the state neglects too
[13:03]	schestowitz[TR]	patents will never admit regret about brearing kids
[13:03]	schestowitz[TR]	because society treate that as pos-natal abortion
[13:03]	schestowitz[TR]	which is a sick think to contemplate
[13:03]	schestowitz[TR]	like drowning living kids
[13:03]	schestowitz[TR]	so parents keep those thoughts to thewmselves
[13:03]	schestowitz[TR]	daemonfc's mom spat at him
[13:04]	schestowitz[TR]	how insulting to be spat on by the person whose womb you came from
[13:04]	TR News	"In the past I've written about state machines in Rust." https://blog.yoshuawuyts.com/state-machines-2/ | Source: Yoshua Wuyts
[13:04]	TR Bot	 State Machines II
[13:04]	TR News	"I was at my wits end for this newsletter after my first two ideas hit research barriers." https://buttondown.email/hillelwayne/archive/why-do-arrays-start-at-0/ | Source: Buttondown
[13:04]	TR Bot	 Why do arrays start at 0? Buttondown
[13:05]	TR News	"These messages are well-intentioned and in many cases on point." https://www.wired.com/story/children-screen-time-psychology/ | Source: Wired
[13:05]	TR Bot	Adults Don't Get About Teens and Digital Life | WIRED
[13:06]	TR News	[Old] "Slack, which is now owned by Salesforce, says a security researcher disclosed the bug to the company on July 17, 2022." https://www.wired.com/story/slack-hashed-passwords-exposed/ | Source: Wired
[13:06]	TR Bot	Slack Bug Exposed Some Users Hashed Passwords for 5 Years | WIRED
[13:07]	TR News	"A 2FA code is meant to prevent a specific class of problem." https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/08/whats-the-optimal-length-for-a-2fa-code/ | Source: Terence Eden
[13:07]	TR Bot	 Whats the optimal length for a 2FA code? Terence Edens Blog
[13:07]	TR News	"In this article well make some changes to the example extension to make such an attack against it feasible" https://palant.info/2022/08/24/attack-surface-of-extension-pages/ | Source: Wladimir Palant
[13:07]	TR Bot	 Attack surface of extension pages | Almost Secure
[13:07]	TR News	"Ive noticed that theres a common misconception that Certificate Transparency is a replacement for HTTP public key pinning." https://emilymstark.com/2022/08/23/certificate-transparency-is-really-not-a-replacement-for-key-pinning.html |
[13:07]	TR Bot	 Certificate Transparency is really not a replacement for key pinning | Emily M. Stark
[13:09]	TR News	"As the NSO Group struggles with intense scrutiny and being blacklisted by the US, its less well-known European rivals are jostling to take its clients, researchers say" https://www.wired.com/story/europe-spyware-scandals-greece/ | Source: Wired
[13:09]	TR Bot	Scandals Are Ripping Through Europe | WIRED
[13:09]	TR News	"Last week, hackers broke into the systems of Twilio, a cloud communications company that provides infrastructure to other companies to automate sending text messages to their users." https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjkvxv/how-a-third-party-sms-service-was-used-to-take-over-signal-accounts | Source: Vice
[13:09]	TR Bot	a Third-Party SMS Service Was Used to Take Over Signal Accounts
[13:09]	TR News	"This is because strong authentication is required to access almost all public services and many commercial services, and the most common form of authentication is a bank ID." https://yle.fi/news/3-12590858 | Source: YLE
[13:09]	TR Bot	 Bank account obstacles creating Finland's "second class citizens" | News | Yle Uutiset
[13:09]	TR News	Too many back doors, even THE EMPIRE cannot keep up with the mess it CREATED https://www.cyberscoop.com/top-justice-official-paper-only/ | Source: Scoop News Group
[13:09]	TR Bot	now relies on paper for its most sensitive court documents, official says - CyberScoop
[13:11]	TR News	"Cognitive biases are systematic deviations from rational judgment." https://matt-rickard.com/a-short-list-of-cognitive-biases | Source: Matt Rickard
[13:11]	TR Bot	 A Short List of Cognitive Biases
[13:11]	TR News	"An international team of researchers decided to look into what factors have enabled these countries to make that shift and what might happen if more countries adopted a similar transportation focus." https://www.wired.com/story/bike-more-curb-global-emissions/ | Source: Wired
[13:11]	TR Bot	What Happens When Countries Use Bikes to Fight Emissions | WIRED
[13:11]	TR News	"There is a forecast risk of unscheduled, protracted, rolling black-outs in midwinter." http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2022/08/the-gathering-crisis.html | Source: Antipope
[13:11]	TR Bot	 The gathering crisis - Charlie's Diary
[13:11]	TR News	"The history of the technological and philosophical underpinnings of Bitcoin make two things clear." https://blog.dshr.org/2022/08/investment-frauds.html | Source: David Rosenthal
[13:11]	TR Bot	 DSHR's Blog: Investment Frauds
[13:12]	TR News	"I've listed the sections below in order of priority if your end goal is to be sponsored by organizations or companies" https://sethmlarson.dev/blog/preparing-for-the-wave-of-open-source-funding | Source: Seth Michael Larson
[13:12]	TR Bot	 Preparing for the wave of open source funding
[13:12]	TR News	"GULAG (Google) doesnt even feel compelled to tell them why they have been banned" https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/08/22/cook-county-judges-office-gets-thrown-off-gulag-tube-youtube-and-has-to-file-an-appeal/ | Source: DaemonFC (Ryan Farmer)
[13:12]	TR Bot	 Cook County Judges Office gets thrown off GULAG Tube (YouTube) and has to file an appeal. | BaronHK's Rants
[13:12]	TR News	"Twitter's security vulnerabilities makes the platform vulnerable to foreign spies" https://text.npr.org/1119071586 | Source: NPR
[13:12]	TR Bot	 A former employee accuses Twitter of big security lapses in a whistleblower complaint
[13:13]	TR News	"Speed test data by Ookla shows Australias actual [Internet] speeds are not globally competitive" https://michaelwest.com.au/slow-internet-among-barriers-to-growth-pc/ | Source: Michael West Media
[13:13]	TR Bot	 Slow internet among barriers to growth: PC - Michael West
[13:14]	Helenah	schestowitz[TR]: I got free human love!
[13:14]	Helenah	free and true! :D
[13:15]	Helenah	Best love ever!
[13:15]	techuser	IRC user love
[13:15]	MinceR	https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/married-people-trolling-each-other-31.jpg
[13:15]	techuser	"user" can mean a bot too, though
[13:15]	Helenah	You can't beat it, if you want long lasting, sustaining, non-turbulent love then that kind is right one.
[13:15]	Helenah	I met her on IRC, techuser 
[13:15]		*psydruid tests and exceeds the boundaries of Intel, Microsoft, Gulag, Secure Boot, TPM and Pluton and fully expects to be called out for that due to disregarding absolutely necessary "security" measures
[13:17]	techuser	I may have some attraction to some IRC users for short time, but it is definitely not "love"
[13:18]	schestowitz[TR]	irc has two such issues
[13:18]	schestowitz[TR]	1). you can project into unknown usernames attributes you want them to have
[13:18]	schestowitz[TR]	2) you don't get nuaance
[13:18]	schestowitz[TR]	so you can raise expectations
[13:18]	schestowitz[TR]	and get insulted over nothing
[13:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[13:20]	techuser	people disappear
[13:20]	Helenah	techuser: You would know if something is love because you would feel it.
[13:20]	techuser	people also raise expectations about their loved ones
[13:20]	Helenah	Love is chemical based.
[13:20]	Helenah	Oxytocin
[13:21]	Helenah	There needs to be an appropriate stimuli to stimulate the release of it into your system.
[13:21]	techuser	I can't even be sure I'm talking with a human or a bot
[13:21]	techuser	Luis64_gamer used to be here, but then he left because he thought DaemonFC is a bot
[13:21]	techuser	and he didn't like that bots look like humans
[13:21]	Helenah	You can't blame him.
[13:22]	Helenah	DaemonFC has very uniform and consistant behavioural pattern.
[13:22]	Helenah	Such as posting a URL, then posting quotes of texts in that URL and then talking about it regardless of whether or not someone else is listening and it's always his own topic.
[13:23]	TR News	 (NEW): Games: New Titles and Development News" https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Games_New_Titles_and_Development_News.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Games_New_Titles_and_Development_News.gmi 
[13:23]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Games: New Titles and Development News
[13:23]	Helenah	Which is like an awareness deficit, a deficit in the awareness of other people around him.
[13:23]	techuser	I tried telling Luis64_gamer to come back, but idk if he even noticed it yet
[13:23]	Helenah	You can't engage with him because he won't engage with you.
[13:23]	techuser	idk if I should keep asking sometimes, until I get some response
[13:23]	TR News	 (NEW): Linux Mint Release Cycle: What You Need to Know" https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Linux_Mint_Release_Cycle_What_You_Need_to_Know.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Linux_Mint_Release_Cycle_What_You_Need_to_Know.gmi 
[13:23]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Linux Mint Release Cycle: What You Need to Know"
[13:24]	TR News	 (NEW): The Best Linux Task Manager" https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/The_Best_Linux_Task_Manager.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/The_Best_Linux_Task_Manager.gmi 
[13:24]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines The Best Linux Task Manager"
[13:24]	Helenah	Constantly asking could eventually get interpreted as harassment.
[13:28]	techuser	I had to ask him a lot to even come back to IRC, over Discord bridge
[13:29]	techuser	he did first appear on IRC, then did stay a bit, then did quit because some system issues but was still on the Discord bridge
[13:30]		*loner has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
[13:30]	techuser	but then he came back only when I did rage quit the network with the bridge, for unrelated reasons
[13:31]		*loner (~loner@eq3snar22puje.irc) has joined #techrights
[13:32]	TR News	Ongoing phishing campaign can hack you even when youre protected with MFA | Ars Technica https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/07/microsoft-details-phishing-campaign-that-can-hijack-mfa-protected-accounts/
[13:32]	TR Bot	 Ongoing phishing campaign can hack you even when youre protected with MFA | Ars Technica
[13:33]	TR News	Optimizing Developer Impact on K8s Security - Container Journal https://containerjournal.com/features/optimizing-developer-impact-on-k8s-security/ Source: containerjournal | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//containerjournal.com/features/optimizing-developer-impact-on-k8s-security/
[13:33]	TR Bot	 Optimizing Developer Impact on K8s Security - Container Journal
[13:33]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/today_s_howtos.2.gmi 
[13:33]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[13:34]	TR News	 (NEW): KaOS 2022.08 Released: What to Look Forward to in the Latest Release https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/KaOS_2022_08_Released_What_to_Look_Forward_to_in_the_Latest_Rel.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/KaOS_2022_08_Released_What_to_Look_Forward_to_in_the_Latest_Rel.gmi 
[13:34]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines KaOS 2022.08 Released: What to Look Forward to in the Latest Release
[13:34]	TR News	 (NEW): Help improve GNOME!" https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Help_improve_GNOME.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Help_improve_GNOME.gmi 
[13:34]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Help improve GNOME!"
[13:34]	MinceR	25 142335 < Helenah> You can't engage with him because he won't engage with you.
[13:34]	MinceR	pretty sure i already have
[13:34]	TR News	 (NEW): A review of postmarketOS on the Xiaomi Poco F1 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/A_review_of_postmarketOS_on_the_Xiaomi_Poco_F1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/A_review_of_postmarketOS_on_the_Xiaomi_Poco_F1.gmi 
[13:34]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines A review of postmarketOS on the Xiaomi Poco F1
[13:34]	TR News	 (NEW): 15 Ways to Tweak Nemo File Manager in Linux to Get More Out of it" https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/15_Ways_to_Tweak_Nemo_File_Manager_in_Linux_to_Get_More_Out_of_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/15_Ways_to_Tweak_Nemo_File_Manager_in_Linux_to_Get_More_Out_of_.gmi 
[13:34]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines 15 Ways to Tweak Nemo File Manager in Linux to Get More Out of it
[13:35]	TR News	 (NEW): Best text editor for Linux https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Here_are_some_of_our_top_picks_for_text_editors_on_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Here_are_some_of_our_top_picks_for_text_editors_on_Linux.gmi 
[13:35]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Best text editor for Linux
[13:37]	TR News	Happy 31st Birthday, Linux! https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Happy_31st_Birthday_Linux.shtml
[13:37]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Happy 31st Birthday, Linux!
[13:38]	Helenah	MinceR: I have a few times but more often than not he'll continue with whatever he was talking about and blank you out. lol
[13:38]		*wallacer has quit (connection closed)
[13:39]		*wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #techrights
[13:41]	schestowitz[TR]	Helenah: true, it's a runaway train oif thoughts
[13:41]	schestowitz[TR]	so you can imaginwe what he's like tyo argue with IRL
[13:41]	Helenah	Yeah :D
[13:42]	Helenah	My Autism probably won't be able to handle it. lol
[13:42]	schestowitz[TR]	oh, finally it's getting sunny outside
[13:42]	schestowitz[TR]	later  then the 3 frorecast sources said
[13:42]	schestowitz[TR]	2 of them in gemini
[13:42]	schestowitz[TR]	we'll head off soon for her birthday..
[13:43]	schestowitz[TR]	*later than
[13:44]	TR News	I am my father's son gemini://tozip.chickenkiller.com/2022-08-25-dad.gmi
[13:45]	TR News	Open content that you can contribute to gemini://siiky.srht.site/kB45oC/re-open-content.gmi "And would also like to mention iNaturalist, where people can contribute observations of animals, plants, fungi, &c. Photos are shared under user-chosen terms, but they recommend using some CC licenses compatible with Wikimedia Commons."
[13:45]	techuser	IRC is better than children!
[13:46]	TR News	"For the past years I've had several cycles of disenchantment with computers. Although nice things have come out of them, like Compudanzas, they have also represented a source of anxiety: it seems I have internalized that my way of contributing to the world, society and a solarpunk present and future *has* to be through" gemini://compudanzas.net/biosejo_120220825.gmi
[13:46]	TR News	Local peer to peer binary cache with NixOS and Peerix gemini://perso.pw/blog/articles/nixos-with-peerix.gmi
[13:46]	Helenah	See?
[13:47]	Helenah	Saw it again!
[13:47]	Helenah	"IRC is better than" :D
[13:47]		*Helenah is now known as IRCIsBetterThan
[13:47]	IRCIsBetterThan	techuser: Hi
[13:47]	techuser	hi
[13:48]	TR News	"Police in Yekaterinburg arrested former Mayor Evgeny Roizman on Wednesday morning" https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/08/24/outspoken-antiwar-politician-and-former-yekaterinburg-mayor-evgeny-roizman-charged-with-felony-discrediting-the-military-could-face-up-to-five-years-in-prison | Source: Meduza
[13:48]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[13:49]	TR News	Russia Today: The US/West is bad for imprisoning someone for exposing US war crimes. Russia, OTHO, arrests people for merely speaking about Russian war crimes.
[13:51]	TR News	Encryption https://scheerpost.com/2022/08/24/dont-wait-get-into-the-encryption-habit-now/ | Source: Scheerpost
[13:51]	TR Bot	Wait: Get Into the Encryption Habit Now scheerpost.com
[13:53]	TR News	The disinformation https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/08/24/first-person-incarcerated-in-russia-for-calling-the-invasion-of-ukraine-a-war-says-he-s-being-denied-vital-medical-aid-in-prison | Source: Meduza
[13:53]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[13:58]	TR News	Disney https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/23/u-s-appeals-court-affirms-disney-win-against-evel-knievel-estate-over-toy-story-character/ | Source: Techdirt
[13:58]	TR Bot	Appeals Court Affirms Disney Win Against Evel Knievel Estate Over Toy Story Character | Techdirt
[13:58]	TR News	DRM garbage https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/24/hbo-max-and-sesame-street-highlight-the-stupidity-of-mindless-media-megamergers/ | Source: Techdirt
[13:58]	TR Bot	Max And Sesame Street Highlight The Stupidity Of Mindless Media Megamergers | Techdirt
[13:59]	TR News	manchinism https://truthout.org/articles/650-progressive-groups-vow-to-fight-manchin-deal-with-everything-weve-got/ | Source: TruthOut
[13:59]	TR Bot	 650+ Progressive Groups Vow to Fight Manchin Deal "With Everything We've Got"
● Aug 25
[14:00]	TR News	During a court hearing scheduled for today https://torrentfreak.com/private-torrent-site-user-faces-prison-after-sharing-40-movies-220824/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[14:00]	TR Bot	Torrent Site User Faces Prison After Sharing 40 Movies * TorrentFreak
[14:00]	TR News	Popular stream-ripping site Yout.com finds itself blocked again by Peruvian ISPs. https://torrentfreak.com/yout-com-site-blocking-whack-a-mole-continues-in-peru-220825/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[14:00]	TR Bot	Site Blocking 'Whack-a-Mole' Continues in Peru * TorrentFreak
[14:00]	TR News	Denuvo DRM https://torrentfreak.com/denuvo-promises-to-kill-switch-emulator-piracy-with-new-protection-220824/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[14:00]	TR Bot	Promises to Kill Nintendo Switch Emulator Piracy With New Protection * TorrentFreak
[14:00]	TR News	How to gender-balance? https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/gender-balance-in-computing-peer-instruction-approach-engaging-girls/ | Source: Raspberry Pi
[14:00]	TR Bot	 A peer instruction approach for engaging girls in the Computing classroom: Study results - Raspberry Pi
[14:02]	TR News	UKs Online Safety Bill https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/24/former-uk-supreme-court-judge-calls-out-online-safety-bill-as-harmful-by-itself/ | Source: Techdirt
[14:02]	TR Bot	UK Supreme Court Judge Calls Out Online Safety Bill As Harmful By Itself | Techdirt
[14:03]	TR News	TTAB on trademarks https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/24/fucking-ttab-says-fuct-owner-cant-trademark-fuck-because-that-word-fucking-belongs-to-all-of-us/ | Source: Techdirt
[14:03]	TR Bot	TTAB Says FUCT Owner Cant Trademark Fuck Because That Word Fucking Belongs To All Of Us | Techdirt
[14:06]	MinceR	https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/07/21/tumblr-gets-deep-07-21-22/
[14:06]	TR Bot	 24 Funny Tumblr Posts That Deserve Your Attention Today
[14:06]	TR News	Public Knowledge Joins 48 Public Interest Groups Urging House To Pass Bipartisan Privacy Bill - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-joins-48-public-interest-groups-urging-house-to-pass-bipartisan-privacy-bill/ Source: Public Knowledge |
[14:06]	TR Bot	 Public Knowledge Joins 48 Public Interest Groups Urging House To Pass Bipartisan Privacy Bill - Public Knowledge
[14:08]	TR News	 (UPDATED): Plasma 5.25 for Jammy 22.04 available via PPA https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Plasma_5_25_for_Jammy_22_04_available_via_PPA.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Plasma_5_25_for_Jammy_22_04_available_via_PPA.gmi 
[14:08]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Plasma 5.25 for Jammy 22.04 available via PPA (Updated)
[14:12]	TR News	 (NEW): FreeBSD on the Framework Laptop https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/FreeBSD_on_the_Framework_Laptop.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/FreeBSD_on_the_Framework_Laptop.gmi 
[14:12]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines FreeBSD on the Framework Laptop
[14:15]	TR News	Links 25/08/2022: Linuxs 31st Birthday and KDE Plasma 5.25 in Kubuntu 22.04 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/25/linux-31st-birthday/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/25/linux-31st-birthday/
[14:15]	TR Bot	 Links 25/08/2022: Linuxs 31st Birthday and KDE Plasma 5.25 in Kubuntu 22.04 | Techrights
[14:16]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/today_s_leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/today_s_leftovers.1.gmi 
[14:16]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's leftovers
[14:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[14:30]	TR News	"I submitted a change to the nix package manager last week, and it got merged! It's now possible to define a bandwidth speed limit in the nix.conf configuration file." gemini://perso.pw/blog/articles/nix-download-limit.gmi
[14:31]	TR News	"Dear readers, given the popular demand for a RSS feed with HTML in it (which used to be the default), I modified the code to generate a new RSS file using HTML for its content." gemini://perso.pw/blog/articles/blog-rss-html.gmi
[14:31]	TR News	ACEUPTO Wordo: COYPU gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-08-25.gmi
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[14:58]	MinceR	(cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/weekend-random-randomness-7-30-22-17.jpg
[14:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 18.01 k/sec., IPFS upstream 112.18 average k/sec., average swarm size 107.56
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[15:15]	psydruid	developers developers developers with boundaries boundaries boundaries who don't care about crossing other people's boundaries boundaries boundaries
[15:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[16:19]	AdmFubar	https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/08/amazon-roomba-irobot-acquisition-monopoly/671145
[16:19]	TR Bot	( status 308 @ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/08/amazon-roomba-irobot-acquisition-monopoly/671145 )
[16:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[16:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 35.40 k/sec., IPFS upstream 83.65 average k/sec., average swarm size 117.08
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[17:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[17:33]	TR News	Jeffrey Lamar https://www.thenation.com/article/society/rap-lyrics-young-thug/ | Source: The Nation
[17:33]	TR Bot	 When Rap Lyrics Become Incriminating Speech | The Nation
[17:35]	TR News	PET Bottles https://hackaday.com/2022/08/25/pet-bottles-diligently-turned-into-filament/ | Source: Hackaday
[17:35]	TR Bot	Bottles Diligently Turned Into Filament | Hackaday
[17:36]	TR News	"If youve always been intrigued by the idea of performing hardware attacks" https://hackaday.com/2022/08/25/everything-you-didnt-know-you-need-to-know-about-glitching-attacks/ | Source: Hackaday
[17:36]	TR Bot	You Didnt Know You Need To Know About Glitching Attacks | Hackaday
[17:37]	TR News	Oklahoma https://truthout.org/articles/oklahoma-teacher-disciplined-for-sharing-access-to-banned-books-has-quit/ | Source: TruthOut
[17:37]	TR Bot	 Oklahoma Teacher Disciplined for Sharing Access to Banned Books Has Quit
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[17:50]	TR News	E-Bike https://hackaday.com/2022/08/24/skarper-e-bike-conversion-kit-simplifies-electrifying-your-bike/ | Source: Hackaday
[17:50]	TR Bot	E-Bike Conversion Kit Simplifies Electrifying Your Bike | Hackaday
[17:50]	TR News	"Corporate Democrats" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/08/24/corporate-democrats-maloney-and-goldman-fend-progressives-ny-primary | Source: Common Dreams
[17:50]	TR Bot	 Corporate Democrats Maloney and Goldman Fend Off Progressives in NY Primary
[17:50]	TR News	Maine https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/08/24/energy-giants-spending-millions-block-states-effort-create-consumer-owned-utility | Source: Common Dreams
[17:50]	TR Bot	 Opinion | Energy Giants Spending Millions to Block This State's Effort to Create Consumer-Owned Utility | Jon Lamson
[17:51]	TR News	Leave It in the Ground Initiative (LINGO) https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/08/24/us-banks-pouring-23-billion-russian-carbon-bomb-projects | Source: Common Dreams
[17:51]	TR Bot	 US Banks Pouring $23 Billion Into Russian 'Carbon Bomb' Projects
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[17:51]	TR News	Xdotool Simulates Key Presses and Mouse Clicks - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=1DF58wDDfBE | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/1DF58wDDfBE
[17:51]	TR Bot	 Xdotool Simulates Key Presses and Mouse Clicks - Invidious
[17:54]	TR News	x86/mm: Print likely CPU at segfault time https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tip/tip.git/commit/?h=x86/cpu&id=c926087eb38520b268515ae1a842db6db62554cc
[17:54]	TR Bot	 kernel/git/tip/tip.git - Unnamed repository; edit this file 'description' to name the repository.
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[17:54]	TR News	Linux Action News 255 https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/149682/linux-action-news-255/
[17:54]	TR Bot	 Linux Action News 255 | Jupiter Broadcasting
[17:56]	TR News	 (UPDATED): Tails 5.4 is out" https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Tails_5_4_is_out.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Tails_5_4_is_out.gmi 
[17:56]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Tails 5.4 is out (UPDATED)
[17:58]	TR News	One has to be careful what one installs on a system; a lot of the media still blames "Linux" for users putting malware on it https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/08/25/pypi-phishing/
[17:58]	TR Bot	 Phishing PyPI users: Attackers compromise legitimate projects to push malware - Help Net Security
[17:59]	TR News	GNU "Linux is an amazing and powerful operating system. More specifically, the Linux kernel is the source of many of its superpowers. I have been using GNU/Linux for 25 years and have used a lot of versions of the Linux kernel. I have even compiled the kernel a time or two in class and a few times just for grins." https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/linux-kernel-tuning
[17:59]	TR Bot	 How to tune the Linux kernel with the /proc filesystem | Enable Sysadmin
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[18:01]	TR News	McConnell https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/08/24/after-19-trillion-giveaway-rich-mcconnell-calls-debt-relief-working-class-slap-face | Source: Common Dreams
[18:01]	XRevan86	https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1562544729711333377
[18:01]	TR News	"The stock market booming. Corporate earnings rising." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/08/24/only-decent-economy-one-works-working-people | Source: Common Dreams
[18:01]	TR Bot	 After $1.9 Trillion Giveaway to Rich, McConnell Calls Debt Relief for Working Class 'Slap in the Face'
[18:01]	TR Bot	Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Kremlin propagandists are trying to convince their audiences that Ukrainians will somehow forgive and forget Putin's atrocities, making comparisons to Chechnya and ludicrously predicting that someday, shoulder to shoulder with Russians, Ukrainians will invade Poland and Germany."|nitter.it
[18:01]	XRevan86	https://theins.press/en/news/254396
[18:01]	TR Bot	 Opinion | The Only Decent Economy Is One That Works for Working People | Hamilton Nolan
[18:01]	TR Bot	 Russian Deputy Defense Minister&#x27;s family owns $80 million worth of real estate, reports Team Navalny
[18:02]	TR News	Medicare https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/24/the-stealth-plan-to-privatize-medicare-for-all/ | Source: Counter Punch
[18:02]	TR Bot	Stealth Plan to Privatize Medicare for All - CounterPunch.org
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[18:03]	TR News	"Dont tell the liberals that the average Democrat in the Congress is worth a bit more than the average Republican." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/24/the-progressive-industrial-complex-and-our-fascist-future/ | Source: Counter Punch
[18:03]	TR Bot	Progressive Industrial Complex and Our Fascist Future - CounterPunch.org
[18:03]	XRevan86	https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/08/25/7364709/
[18:03]	TR Bot	 Attack on the railway station in Dnipropetrovsk Oblast: the death toll increases to 25 | Ukrainska Pravda
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[18:03]	XRevan86	https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/08/25/russian-defence-ministry-says-200-ukrainian-servicemen-killed-in-chaplino-shelling-news "Russian Defence Ministry says 200 Ukrainian servicemen killed in Chaplino shelling"
[18:03]	TR Bot	 . 
[18:03]	TR News	BillPR aka BillPR spreading misinformation https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/25/npr-host-and-nyt-guest-stress-that-russia-is-communist-while-vilifying-uninformed-republicans/ | Source: Counter Punch
[18:03]	TR Bot	Host and NYT Guest Stress that Russia is Communist While Vilifying Uninformed Republicans - CounterPunch.org
[18:04]	XRevan86	https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/08/25/7364779/
[18:04]	TR Bot	 Russia disconnects Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant from power grid for the first time ever ? Energoatom | Ukrainska Pravda
[18:04]	schestowitz[TR]	XRevan86: when the currency of "success" is number of deaths
[18:06]	TR News	ryanair https://telex.hu/english/2022/08/25/ryanair-prepared-to-take-case-of-300-million-forint-fine-to-eu-court-of-justice | Source: Telex (Hungary)
[18:06]	TR Bot	 Telex: Ryanair prepared to take case of 300 million forint fine to EU Court of Justice
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[18:08]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Pretty much. Well, a good word would be "alleged".
[18:09]	TR News	The cause of climate change is humans, not fossil fuels. Overpopulation such as this is only possible with combustion of fossil fuels, fertilisers etc. Want to tackle climate change? Start dealing with population size.
[18:10]	TR News	I'm sure those EVs run fine on air and sun ;-) https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/08/24/huge-california-ban-new-gasoline-fueled-car-sales-2035 more pollution, more production of wars with lithium and nasty chemicals...
[18:10]	TR Bot	 'This Is Huge': California to Ban New Gasoline-Fueled Car Sales by 2035
[18:11]	schestowitz[TR]	XFaCE: they are "one people"
[18:11]	schestowitz[TR]	XRevan86: ^
[18:13]	TR News	Overpopulation is a thing. Want offspring? Get a cat. https://telex.hu/english/2022/08/25/the-state-audit-office-worries-that-too-many-women-getting-university-education-will-lead-to-less-children-being-born | Source: Telex (Hungary)
[18:13]	TR Bot	 Telex: The State Audit Office worries that too many Hungarian women getting university education will lead to less children being born
[18:13]	schestowitz[TR]	MinceR: ^
[18:13]	MinceR	yeah, the usual evil christian fundamentalist bullshit
[18:14]	TR News	Orban 'signalling' to GOPKK, now this... https://telex.hu/english/2022/08/24/dutch-far-right-politician-geert-wilders-awarded-hungarian-state-honour | Source: Telex (Hungary)
[18:14]	TR Bot	 Telex: Dutch far right politician Geert Wilders awarded Hungarian state honour
[18:14]	MinceR	they want female humans to be livestock
[18:14]	schestowitz[TR]	Talibanistan
[18:15]	TR News	Corporate Hijacking of Democracy https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/08/24/march-towards-us-fascism-began-corporate-hijacking-democracy | Source: Common Dreams
[18:15]	TR Bot	 Opinion | The March Towards US Fascism Began With the Corporate Hijacking of Democracy | Thom Hartmann
[18:15]	TR News	Student Debt https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/08/25/student-debt-fight-continues-progressives-eye-another-goal-tuition-free-college | Source: Common Dreams
[18:15]	TR Bot	 As Student Debt Fight Continues, Progressives Eye Another Goal: Tuition-Free College
[18:15]	TR News	Domestic Workers Bill of Rights https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/24/at-long-last-congress-considers-a-national-domestic-workers-bill-of-rights/ | Source: Counter Punch
[18:15]	TR Bot	Long Last, Congress Considers a National Domestic Workers Bill of Rights - CounterPunch.org
[18:16]	TR News	Student Loan https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/25/we-can-do-so-much-more-on-student-loan-forgiveness/ | Source: Counter Punch
[18:16]	TR Bot	Can Do So Much More on Student Loan Forgiveness - CounterPunch.org
[18:16]	TR News	Rupert Murdoch lies about Lithium https://scheerpost.com/2022/08/24/wsj-sells-lithium-neocolonialism-as-climate-necessity/ | Source: Scheerpost
[18:16]	TR Bot	Sells Lithium Neocolonialism as Climate Necessity scheerpost.com
[18:17]	TR News	"Not Without a Fight" https://shadowproof.com/2022/08/24/protest-song-week-not-without-fight-danceland/ | Source: Shadowproof
[18:17]	TR Bot	 Protest Song Of The Week: 'Not Without A Fight' By Danceland
[18:17]	TR News	Montanan https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/08/24/a-river-of-shit-runs-through-it/ | Source: Counter Punch
[18:17]	TR Bot	River of Shit Runs Through It - CounterPunch.org
[18:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[18:22]	TR News	"in-car entertainment enjoyable and safe" ... no, it is STILL a distraction from the driving and listening devices are an abuse of human rights, they don't make you safe https://www.addictivetips.com/ios/apple/how-to-turn-off-apple-carplay/
[18:22]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.addictivetips.com/ios/apple/how-to-turn-off-apple-carplay/ )
[18:22]	MinceR	https://apina.biz/187602.jpeg?mode=sfw
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[18:24]	TR News	Music Video Disclosed as a Cyber Vulnerability - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=gendmuVgbaE | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/gendmuVgbaE
[18:24]	TR Bot	 Music Video Disclosed as a Cyber Vulnerability - Invidious
[18:24]	TR News	YET ANOTHER package format, and Ubuntu might not get this GNOME feature - Linux & Open Source News - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=SrcupdKGvBs | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/SrcupdKGvBs
[18:24]	TR Bot	 YET ANOTHER package format, and Ubuntu might not get this GNOME feature - Linux & Open Source News - Invidious
[18:25]	TR News	"In this video, I am going to show how to install Neptune 7.5 "Ada"." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=lEPDHXRm4As
[18:25]	TR Bot	 How to install Neptune 7.5 "Ada" - Invidious
[18:26]	TR News	Webspam from "Marianne elanotta" gives a boring ol' FALSE dichotomy: "Azure VS AWS: Whats the Difference"... as if you must choose between proprietary software and servers one controls ceased to exist
[18:27]	TR News	Mozilla as wannabe censorship company https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/teens-gen-z-misinformation-social-media/
[18:27]	TR Bot	 A little less misinformation, a little more action
[18:28]	TR News	Mozilla Firefox should be a Web browser, not information police
[18:28]	TR News	Clown computing complexity begets more holes https://www.esecurityplanet.com/threats/gitlab-patches-critical-rce/
[18:28]	TR Bot	Patches Critical RCE in Community and Enterprise Editions | eSecurityPlanet
[18:29]	TR News	"CISA has released 1 Industrial Control Systems (ICS) advisory on August 25, 2022. This advisory provides timely information about current security issues, vulnerabilities, and exploits surrounding ICS." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/08/25/cisa-releases-1-industrial-control-systems-advisory
[18:29]	TR Bot	 CISA releases 1 Industrial Control Systems Advisory | CISA
[18:30]	TR News	"What's wrong with Android, you ask? Google, obviously. You'd think that, with hundreds of billions of dollars to play with, they would soar above, say, an amateur effort like Linux. But no, instead they took linux and made it largely unusable, except in some, very specific use cases." gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-08-25.android.gmi
[18:31]	TR News	"Don't be fooled -- you are not Google's customer. Google is paid by hardware manufacturers and advertisers, and those who buy consumer data. You, the consumer, are the ticket to the game. Google (and other companies) will do the minimum necessary to keep the illusion of serving you while maximizing profits from their real customers" gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-08-25.android.gmi
[18:31]	TR News	"An 'app', consequently, is a piece of spyware, combined with an advertising display, with a small amount of useful functionality, locked down to be incompatible and unusable by other 'apps', of course (lock-in). Apps are there to extract money from you, while providing Google with valuable telemetry." gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-08-25.android.gmi
[18:32]	TR News	"These are cranked out by uninspired billionaire wannabees, who care more about ad integration and in-app purchases than actually performing a useful task. Collecting personal information is likely more lucrative than selling the app, and selling apps at the Google store for a buck" gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-08-25.android.gmi
[18:33]	TR News	"First task: find a file manager. The built-in 'Device storage' one is complete bullshit, so you go back to F-Droid. You try one that seems to not work at all, because your phone is like 3 years old. You try another one, which seems to work, called File Explorer." gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-08-25.android.gmi
[18:33]	TR News	"Your partner is looking at you funny, because you said you were just going to get an audiobook, and three hours have gone by, and you are very agitated, muttering obsenities, and it's really unpleasant to be anywhere near you when you get like that." gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-08-25.android.gmi
[18:34]	TR News	"P.S. IOS, apparently, is even worse about not allowing you to see and manipulate files. Well, that prick Jobs was known for saying that "it's not the customer's job to know what they want", so no great surprise there. Also why I would never own Apple hardware." gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-08-25.android.gmi
[18:36]	TR News	Gaining Experience for your GNU/Linux Career - What should you Learn?! - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=FaFITB2wuUQ | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/FaFITB2wuUQ
[18:36]	TR Bot	 Gaining Experience for your Linux Career - What should you Learn?! - Invidious
[18:39]	TR News	"The affected product is vulnerable to an out-of-bounds write while processing project files. If a valid user is tricked into using maliciously crafted project files, an attacker could achieve arbitrary code execution." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-237-01
[18:39]	TR Bot	 FATEK Automation FvDesigner | CISA
[18:39]	TR News	"A remote attacker could exploitsomeof these vulnerabilities to take control of an affected system." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/08/25/cisco-releases-security-updates-multiple-products
[18:39]	TR Bot	 Cisco Releases Security Updates for Multiple Products | CISA
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[18:43]	TR News	 (NEW): Videos and Shows: Experience Gain, Neptune, Package Mangement, and More" https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Videos_and_Shows_Experience_Gain_Neptune_Package_Mangement_and_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Videos_and_Shows_Experience_Gain_Neptune_Package_Mangement_and_.gmi 
[18:43]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Videos and Shows: Experience Gain, Neptune, Package Mangement, and More"
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[18:47]	TR News	Joe Biren Engrish https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/08/25/china-launches-the-inevitable-indigenous-gpu/
[18:47]	TR Bot	 China Launches The Inevitable Indigenous GPU
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[18:50]	TR News	U.S. Solicitor General and Department of Commerce must hold NSO accountable - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/u-s-solicitor-general-and-department-of-commerce-must-hold-nso-accountable/ Source: AccessNow | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/u-s-solicitor-general-and-department-of-commerce-must-hold-nso-accountable/
[18:50]	TR Bot	 U.S. Solicitor General and Department of Commerce must hold NSO accountable - Access Now
[18:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 57.21 k/sec., IPFS upstream 136.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 113.20
[18:59]	TR News	ICBM Red Hat... "Mastering Kubernetes cluster lifecycle management with the multicluster engine for Kubernetes operator" -> "The requested URL was not found on this server." https://www.redhat.com/en/node/731 Drupal exposed.
[18:59]	TR Bot	( status 404 @ https://www.redhat.com/en/node/731 )
● Aug 25
[19:00]	TR News	"July 2023 FreeBSD 14.0" https://www.freebsd.org/releng/ https://www.freebsd.org/releng/
[19:00]	TR Bot	 Release Engineering Information | The FreeBSD Project
[19:11]	XRevan86	CIT (War in Ukraine): https://telegra.ph/Dispatch-for-August-24-08-25
[19:11]	TR Bot	 Dispatch for August 24 Telegraph
[19:17]	TR News	"readfile" system https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/gregkh/driver-core.git/log/?h=readfile
[19:17]	TR Bot	 kernel/git/gregkh/driver-core.git - Driver core development git tree
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[19:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[19:25]	TR News	 (NEW): Security Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Security_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Security_Leftovers.gmi 
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[19:25]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Security Leftovers
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[19:28]	MinceR	(cat) https://ircz.de/p/22081666
[19:28]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/roxxlrwdkph91.jpg created on 2022-08-16 21:00:18.068470
[19:30]	TR News	Spam sites or pure webspam "generating" anti-Linux garbage, Gulag Noise picks that up https://www.gearrice.com/update/a-2001-legal-conflict-over-the-linux-code-keeps-open-the-possibility-that-a-company-could-charge-a-royalty-for-its-use/
[19:30]	TR Bot	2001 legal conflict over the Linux code keeps open the possibility that a company could charge a royalty for its use. - Gearrice
[19:36]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos " https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/today_s_howtos.3.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/today_s_howtos.3.gmi 
[19:36]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos"
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[19:45]	TR News	 (NEW): Linux 5.19.4, 5.15.63, 5.10.138, 5.4.211, 4.19.256, 4.14.291, and 4.9.326 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Linux_5_19_4_5_15_63_5_10_138_5_4_211_4_19_256_4_14_291_and_4_9.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Linux_5_19_4_5_15_63_5_10_138_5_4_211_4_19_256_4_14_291_and_4_9.gmi 
[19:45]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Linux 5.19.4, 5.15.63, 5.10.138, 5.4.211, 4.19.256, 4.14.291, and 4.9.326
[19:45]	TR News	 (NEW): ALP Aims to Balance Past, Present with Future https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/ALP_Aims_to_Balance_Past_Present_with_Future.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/ALP_Aims_to_Balance_Past_Present_with_Future.gmi 
[19:45]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines ALP Aims to Balance Past, Present with Future
[19:45]	TR News	 (NEW): Deepin releases 20.6 plus a preview of major new version https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Deepin_releases_20_6_plus_a_preview_of_major_new_version.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Deepin_releases_20_6_plus_a_preview_of_major_new_version.gmi 
[19:45]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Deepin releases 20.6 plus a preview of major new version"
[19:45]	TR News	 (NEW): #HowTo Display the Weather Forecast on Linux https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/How_to_Display_the_Weather_Forecast_on_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/How_to_Display_the_Weather_Forecast_on_Linux.gmi 
[19:45]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines How to Display the Weather Forecast on Linux
[19:47]	TR News	 (NEW): Meet the Kubuntu Focus NX Mini Linux PC with 11th Gen Intel CPUs, Up to 64GB RAM https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Meet_the_Kubuntu_Focus_NX_Mini_Linux_PC_with_11th_Gen_Intel_CPU.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/Meet_the_Kubuntu_Focus_NX_Mini_Linux_PC_with_11th_Gen_Intel_CPU.gmi 
[19:47]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Meet the Kubuntu Focus NX Mini Linux PC with 11th Gen Intel CPUs, Up to 64GB RAM
[19:54]	TR News	Do you use Kdenlive? Share your project and behind the scenes footage and stills! - Kdenlive https://kdenlive.org/en/2022/08/do-you-use-kdenlive-share-your-project-and-behind-the-scenes-footage-and-stills/ Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//kdenlive.org/en/2022/08/do-you-use-kdenlive-share-your-project-and-behind-the-scenes-footage-and-stills/
[19:54]	TR Bot	 Do you use Kdenlive? Share your project and behind the scenes footage and stills! - Kdenlive
[19:56]	TR News	 (UPDATED): Kdenlive 22.08 released (UPDATEDx3) https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/22/Kdenlive_22_08_released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/22/Kdenlive_22_08_released.gmi 
[19:56]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Kdenlive 22.08 released (UPDATEDx3)
[19:56]	TR News	 (NEW): GNOMEs New Quick Toggles Land in Ubuntu 22.10 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/GNOME_s_New_Quick_Toggles_Land_in_Ubuntu_22_10.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/GNOME_s_New_Quick_Toggles_Land_in_Ubuntu_22_10.gmi 
[19:56]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines GNOMEs New Quick Toggles Land in Ubuntu 22.10
[19:56]	TR News	 (NEW): 7 Best Free and Open Source Linux Student Information Systems" https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/7_Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Linux_Student_Information_Systems.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/25/7_Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Linux_Student_Information_Systems.gmi 
[19:56]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines 7 Best Free and Open Source Linux Student Information Systems"
● Aug 25
[20:06]	TR News	Links 25/08/2022: Deepin Chooses Another Way | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/25/independent-deepin/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/25/independent-deepin/
[20:06]	TR Bot	 Links 25/08/2022: Deepin Chooses Another Way | Techrights
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[20:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[20:23]	schestowitz[TR]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=59BueBd43vk
[20:23]	TR Bot	 Making of Bolg - Invidious
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[20:25]	MinceR	Lesistance is futire.
[20:25]	MinceR	https://apina.biz/187599.png?mode=sfw
[20:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-http://apina.biz/187599.png
[20:31]	starstreak	https://github.com/skyjake/lagrange
[20:31]	TR Bot	- skyjake/lagrange: A Beautiful Gemini Client
[20:31]	starstreak	oops
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[20:37]	schestowitz[TR]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=mZnv6LXD9qs
[20:37]	TR Bot	 ORCS* Army Marches & Attacks- Lord of the Rings/ Hobbit - Invidious
[20:45]	starstreak	Gotta love that Certified Microsoft 4096-byte stack overflow in the legacy remote support tool
[20:45]	starstreak	Message @Rosalina
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● Aug 25
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[21:01]	techuser	hi
[21:01]	starstreak	hello
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[21:07]	XRevan86	DaemonFC: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/wireplumber/-/commit/37c839b9308cd3d6580bf01077db8cb29ec2aa2f Is that it?
[21:07]	TR Bot	 policy-node: fix potential rescan loop (37c839b9) Commits PipeWire / wireplumber GitLab
[21:08]	DaemonFC	Most really old software has a large attack surface and can't be reliably fixed.
[21:09]	DaemonFC	So to an extent, Linux dropping things and having developers complain somewhere else that their proprietary software is affected is a "Good! Fuck 'em!" situation.
[21:09]	DaemonFC	But in some cases, what gets dropped was actually a part of a standard, adds no known attack surface, and is so small that dropping it and citing technical debt is laughable.
[21:10]	DaemonFC	Getting rid of the X11 printing system was good.
[21:10]	DaemonFC	Getting rid of DT_HASH from glibc was bad.
[21:11]	MinceR	distros can still build glibc with both DT_HASH and DT_GNU_HASH
[21:12]	DaemonFC	Yeah, so we're back to distro patching because of a completely avoidable situation.
[21:12]	MinceR	and it doesn't even affect you unless you're trying to do the dynamic linker's job, afaik
[21:12]	DaemonFC	Then software will behave unpredictably based on the decisions each one makes.
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[21:13]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], I wonder if MARISOL will ever give up and just work so few hours on purpose that they pass the straight bankruptcy test.
[21:14]	starstreak	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5E3gra5wz4
[21:14]	TR Bot	https://invidio.xamh.de/watch?v=N5E3gra5wz4
[21:14]	TR Bot	invidio.xamh.de | Oracle Has Been Tracking Over 5 Billion People - Invidious
[21:14]	DaemonFC	That would be a better idea than remaining bogged down forever, making payments more slowly than the debt goes away.
[21:14]	DaemonFC	If you can keep things moving along until you pass the income test, you can immediately start earning more money again, literally the day after your Trustee meeting.
[21:15]	DaemonFC	What you tell the Trustee has to be the truth when you are telling it.
[21:16]	DaemonFC	Basically, the meeting happens about a month to six weeks after your filing. So if they could manage to earn just under the filing limit for the lookback period, then add a month to that, they could eliminate most of their debt. Much easier than flailing around trying to earn money and can't.
[21:17]	DaemonFC	They were boasting about "how hard they work" and "how many hours".
[21:19]	DaemonFC	They could probably wipe out everything except the last few payments on the BMW (presumably they want to keep that) and their mortgage.
[21:19]	DaemonFC	The restructuring would make it unlikely they'd ever lose the house.
[21:19]	DaemonFC	Then they could work fewer hours and actually enjoy their lives a bit if they actually learn something, like how to live within their means.
[21:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[21:20]	DaemonFC	It's so much harder to earn a dollar than to save a dollar. Even in this economy. Especially in this economy.
[21:21]	DaemonFC	Saving a dollar means not spending it on something you want to have, right? Finding something else to do with that dollar.
[21:21]	DaemonFC	As soon as you spend one, you have to offset/earn another one. It's a very simple concept. Apparently so simple that it's beyond a woman with a Master's Degree in Nursing.
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[21:28]	DaemonFC	Okay, signed Mandy up for the Snapchat lawsuit too.
[21:28]	DaemonFC	MOAR BIPA!
[21:29]	DaemonFC	I had to go digging to figure out whether I even had an account or not. It was an old one, but I used it a couple times while in Illinois.
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[21:29]	DaemonFC	https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/08/22/illinois-residents-who-used-snapchat-eligible-for-payout-from-35-million-settlement/
[21:29]	TR Bot	 Illinois residents who used Snapchat eligible for payout from $35 million settlement
[21:31]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Writing an article about Mr. GULAG and deplatforming.
[21:31]	DaemonFC	"It's bad enough that we have deplatform and censorship-state advocates living here in America already that we can't do anything about. (Including the current leadership at Mozilla, which is going down in flames and in a few more years won't even register in browser statistics anymore.) Why do we want more?"
[21:33]	DaemonFC	"Matthew Garrett uses Twitter, a system and mechanism for the surveillance state and the Cancel mobs. He also uses "Dreamwidth" to host his blog."
[21:33]	DaemonFC	"In both cases, you can't even read him without "JavaScript" enabled in your browser, which causes hideous security problems and a gigantic additional attack surface, unless you use a proxy like Nitter to keep an eye on him."
[21:36]	DaemonFC	"The latest un-American activity, and that is what I would call petitions to deplatform over simple disagreement, involves "petitioning" Crimeflare (Cloudflare, an attack on people who browse securely/anonymously.) to take down Conservative Web forums."
[21:40]	DaemonFC	"The reason it's possible to do so much damage by convincing companies like these to disappear Web sites that you disagree with is that Web sites have made the unfortunate mistake to rely on them for DDoS (Distributed Denial of Service) protection in the first place. Which is ironic."
[21:40]	DaemonFC	"Nobody can say for sure where the DDoS activities that led these Web sites to use Cloudflare are coming from. Since DDoS attacks are an extralegal and illegal method to "shut people up", we must presume that the people committing them at least fundamentally agree with the people who are also petitioning Cloudflare to remove the protection, and that there may be overlap where some of the individuals are the same."
[21:42]	psydroid2	I hope you mention the existence of boundaries somewhere in one of your articles
[21:43]	psydroid2	those are much more important than Restricted Boot, DRM, TPM, Pluton and malware running on that hardware
[21:48]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ probably counts giving Rat Crap (IBM) an excuse to defund GNU.
[21:48]	DaemonFC	Simply because it damages GNU and makes them weaker.
[21:49]	DaemonFC	*counts it as a victory
[21:50]	DaemonFC	His only real goal seems to be to cause trouble by using wedge issues and a lot of hyperbole.
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[21:50]	DaemonFC	Which is what Internet Trolls do.
[21:51]	DaemonFC	I wonder who is running the DDoS attacks against Kiwi Farms that led them to use "DDoS protection".
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[21:51]	DaemonFC	The evidence that Kiwi Farms has "caused" any suicides is flimsy.
[21:52]	DaemonFC	It's literally just that someone posted on Wikipedia that some crazy person that self-immolated was "driven" to it by Kiwi Farms, but if there was actual evidence, that would be a serious crime.
[21:52]	DaemonFC	Under federal and state law. Joshua Moon could be arrested under Florida's cyberbullying law if this allegation had any legs.
[21:55]	MinceR	https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/freaky-2
[21:55]	TR Bot	 Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Freaky
[21:59]	DaemonFC	"It's difficult to get anything, ultimately, removed from the Internet, because it can always pop back up someplace else, even if it goes underground."
● Aug 25
[22:00]	DaemonFC	"So if Matthew Garrett found a Djinn and it granted him a bunch of wishes, and one was to get people like Joshua Moon deplatformed from GULAG (Google), Crimeflare (Cloudflare), Shitter (Twiiter), Fakebook, and the rest, the really dangerous ones would just come back as Tor Hidden Services and it would be much more difficult for law enforcement to keep track of them."
[22:00]	DaemonFC	"But Garrett doesn't mind that, I think. What the Cancel Mob really wants to do is to Crimethink all Conservative and Libertarian political views by way of a sustained harassment campaign."
[22:01]	DaemonFC	He goes after legitimate politcal discourse and free speech.
[22:01]	DaemonFC	And still I don't see him concerned that Cloudflare is hosting the Taliban.
[22:01]	DaemonFC	They're an unrecognized government because they're a terrorist group.
[22:02]	DaemonFC	Even their promises to only treat (actual) women harshly to an extent were violated months later.
[22:08]	DaemonFC	https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/08/25/coroner-releases-identity-of-26-year-old-man-who-died-after-being-shot-by-police-in-waukegan/
[22:08]	TR Bot	 Coroner releases identity of 26-year-old man who died after being shot by police in Waukegan
[22:08]	DaemonFC	Waukegan Police Kill Jesus
[22:14]	DaemonFC	https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/08/25/3-juveniles-hospitalized-1-flown-with-life-threatening-injuries-after-crash-on-route-31-in-mchenry/
[22:14]	TR Bot	 3 juveniles hospitalized, 1 flown with life-threatening injuries, after crash on Route 31 in McHenry
[22:14]	MinceR	:)
[22:14]	DaemonFC	If you get into any sort of car accident here, you're getting a ticket.
[22:16]		*starstreak is watching "Cheech and Chong - Up in Smoke"
[22:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[22:52]	starstreak	https://www.pine64.org/2022/06/28/june-update-who-likes-risc-v/
[22:52]	TR Bot	 June Update: Who likes RISC-V? | PINE64
[22:52]	DaemonFC	<starstreak> * DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving)   <-- the trash took itself out
[22:52]	DaemonFC	Fuck off
[22:53]	loner	weird
[22:53]	loner	anyway
[22:53]	souseksi	DaemonFC: starstreak: Please don't quarrel.
[22:54]	loner	could anyone recommend a tiny libc, which can be compiled/linked/assembled with tcc-toolchain (AS=arm-tcc for example)?
[22:54]	starstreak	souseksi, i have him on ignore due to transgender ignorance
[22:55]	techuser	SJW issues?
[22:55]	techuser	it is good you don't have +o
[22:56]	souseksi	starstreak: Taken into consideration.
[22:57]	starstreak	ignore is good enough
[22:59]	starstreak	i wouldn't ban him unless he evaded ignore by changing nicks often
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● Aug 25
[23:01]	DaemonFC	https://www.npr.org/2022/08/25/1119385178/walmart-oregon-settlement-racial-profiling
[23:01]	TR Bot	 A Black man was awarded $4.4 million after being racially profiled in Walmart : NPR
[23:01]	DaemonFC	They don't say whether it's Sr. or Jr., but either way they have an extensive record with the courts in Oregon.
[23:03]	starstreak	that being said, he makes the channel look bad with all his racism and transphobia, im surprised he isnt banned
[23:03]	DaemonFC	"Mr. Mangum was never stopped by Walmart's Asset Protection. He interfered with our associates as they were surveilling and then stopped confirmed shoplifters, and then refused to leave despite being asked to repeatedly by our staff and Multnomah County, Ore., deputies," he added.
[23:03]	starstreak	i was told that talk about reptilians makes the channel look bad but apparently racism and transphobia are okay
[23:04]	DaemonFC	Walmart should just close the doors to their store and make everyone order things online.
[23:05]	DaemonFC	It's gotta be cheaper than all of the shoplifting and newly-minted black millionaires who were engaging in criminal trespass and harassment of Loss Prevention.
[23:05]	starstreak	after my iphone dies, im probably going to get something like this: https://www.pine64.org/pinephonepro/
[23:05]	TR Bot	 PinePhone Pro | PINE64
[23:06]	souseksi	starstreak: I wish you a pleasant shopping.
[23:06]	starstreak	:)
[23:11]	starstreak	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC1CqyCN9Q0
[23:11]	TR Bot	https://invidious.weblibre.org/watch?v=cC1CqyCN9Q0
[23:11]	TR Bot	timed out after 10520 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://invidious.weblibre.org/watch?v=cC1CqyCN9Q0 )
[23:15]	souseksi	starstreak: I didn't watch a video, but preview looks very funny.
[23:19]	starstreak	its a satire video about linux users
[23:19]	souseksi	Taken into consideration.
[23:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[23:20]	souseksi	Thank you for providing information.
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[23:24]	starstreak	No prob lol
[23:25]	s98259	o.o
[23:25]		*s98259 gives starstreak a hamper of chocolates
[23:26]		*s98259 gives souseksi a hamper of chocolates
[23:26]	s98259	hi
[23:26]	s98259	:3
[23:26]	starstreak	yay thanks :)
[23:26]	techuser	hi
[23:26]		*s98259 gives techuser a hamper of chocolates
[23:26]	starstreak	hi helenah
[23:26]	s98259	Hi :3
[23:26]	souseksi	Hello. Thanks for chocolates.
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[23:29]	s98259	yw
[23:29]	s98259	:3
[23:31]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], I'm also writing about the "student loan forgiveness" and how terribly unfair this all is.
[23:31]	DaemonFC	After the government and my parents ensured that I would be ruined for life no matter what I tried to do.
[23:32]	starstreak	https://gizmodo.com/larry-ellisons-oracle-started-as-a-cia-project-1636592238
[23:32]	TR Bot	 Larry Ellison's Oracle Started As a CIA Project
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[23:33]	souseksi	starstreak: Thank you for sharing an article that might be interesting.
[23:35]	starstreak	thanks its pretty good
[23:36]	DaemonFC	"The people who went into debt to take on student loans are very different people than I am. They typically fall into two categories.
[23:36]	DaemonFC	Category 1 are people like a guy I dated who racked up $20,000 in student loan debt to study Political Science and works a gig job DoorDash while moonlighting as a hotel desk clerk. At least, thats last I knew. He cant even hold onto these jobs, but hes one of those people with a lot of student loan money who is totally unemployable for much more than whatever the minimum wage is.
[23:36]	DaemonFC	They keep getting rid of him at that, and he goes to find something else to do, but the $20,000 Political Science crap never helped him make a single dollar. In fact, he owed so many people so much delinquent debt, that he had to do business in cash without a bank account so nobody could garnish him, he had no furniture in his apartment by the time I managed to look inside it, and there was a safe on top of the kitchen counter.
[23:36]	DaemonFC	Since he took on a FAFSA to go to University of Wisconsin-Parkside, youve already paid to enable him if youre an American taxpayer, but now Biden will wipe out the rest of the $20,000 and make you pay for that too. And theres a lot more where he came from.
[23:36]	DaemonFC	Even in the 1990s, we had a neighbor whose son was named Lynn. Lynn had a degree in Philosophy, and we used to see Lynn putting his degree to good use, when we went to the movie theater, where he worked for $4.25 an hour as an usher sweeping popcorn off the floor and checking tickets."
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[23:43]	DaemonFC	"Category 2 is people who did well in school, chose a degree where they'll actually get a career that doesn't involve flipping burgers and delivering pizzas (there's nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't need a college degree), and are probably making six figure salaries."
[23:44]	DaemonFC	"In other words, they simply just do not need our help. Case Closed."
[23:44]	DaemonFC	"If Biden gave a damn about Public Policy, he wouldn't be taking money from people who go to work and pay their taxes and handing it to losers and people who don't even need the help and are in highly paid careers where they can afford to pay back their loans."
[23:45]	DaemonFC	"What's worse is that there's no law passed by Congress that allows any of this. He never even pretended there was one."
[23:45]	DaemonFC	"He did his debt forgiveness to people who went to colleges that cheated them and are being prosecuted by the Department of Justice first and separately, because that's the only debt forgiveness that is authorized by statute."
[23:47]	DaemonFC	"This next phase creates an unauthorized entitlement for which no enabling law or appropriated money exists. It will cost us $362 billion, which is more than $2,000 debt added to the plate of every American who actually pays taxes. Someone is also likely to sue over this to stop it, and let us all hope that they succeed! "
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