●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, September 25, 2022 ●● ● Sep 25 [00:00] highest_cubist_thrills https://yewtu.be/watch?v=zBRpW5sEvJk [00:00] TR Bot Bill Hicks - Corporate Shills - Invidious [00:00] DaemonFC "I'm going to cheat on you, openly, at the open sores conference. This is a mutual understanding, btw." [00:00] DaemonFC "We mutually understand that this is how it will be now." [00:01] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], I would have had more respect for the landlord if he at least admitted why the rent was going up instead of saying provable falsehood's like mom's does. [00:01] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [00:02] DaemonFC Like, "The value of the money is going down due to inflation and I am re-indexing the rent due to this. In fact, the inflation is 10% and I've only raised your rent 5.8% because you've been good to us.". [00:03] DaemonFC That would at least be understandable. Instead he blames property tax, which has been stable for a decade, and water bills which have maybe increased our cost to him by $1 a month. [00:03] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: true [00:03] schestowitz[TR] but [00:03] DaemonFC I suppose there's not too many people he rents to that understand what utilities and taxes cost, what inflation is, etc. [00:03] schestowitz[TR] think of it like this [00:03] schestowitz[TR] you are small [00:03] schestowitz[TR] compared to "the syste" [00:03] schestowitz[TR] which is bigger than your country [00:04] schestowitz[TR] so you control over inflation is nothing [00:04] schestowitz[TR] and so you have two option [00:04] schestowitz[TR] make some money [00:04] schestowitz[TR] or make no money [00:04] DaemonFC Pay it or do without. [00:04] schestowitz[TR] inflation will just be there [00:04] DaemonFC Those are the options. [00:04] schestowitz[TR] nothing you can really do about it eexcept vent out anger [00:04] frog with my bill, they argued it was energy costs, which it isn't [00:04] DaemonFC Yeah, nobody is happy about inflation, I'm sure. [00:04] schestowitz[TR] or go live in IL forests [00:04] highest_cubist_thrills nothing you can really do about it eexcept vent out anger <- bullshit [00:04] frog even when, i lowered consumption ~25% [00:05] schestowitz[TR] and be a hunter gatherer in -10 at winter [00:05] highest_cubist_thrills well thats stupid [00:05] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], I keep the heat off and just let the building heat keep it at 58 degrees in here. [00:05] DaemonFC It's kind of cold, but meh. [00:05] highest_cubist_thrills its as dumb as saying capitalism is immortal [00:05] frog rent consists of separate positions for heating, and they increased the heating costs [00:05] frog it's a total scam and fraud [00:05] schestowitz[TR] highest_cubist_thrills: right [00:05] schestowitz[TR] it's a huge task to challenge it [00:05] highest_cubist_thrills and the only alternative is to back to pre-civilisation [00:05] schestowitz[TR] and you need massive numbers [00:05] schestowitz[TR] to change things [00:05] DaemonFC I keep telling Mandy "Wear more clothes. You're the one that will complain if I dial the heat up and we get a $250 electric bill!". [00:05] schestowitz[TR] not even one single oligarch can control inflation [00:05] DaemonFC Then same thing tomorrow night. [00:05] highest_cubist_thrills yeah you need a majority of the workers-- at least [00:06] DaemonFC Like it doesn't even stick, Roy, so I'm done explaining. [00:06] frog with the energy bill i received, they claim ~150% annual inflation [00:06] schestowitz[TR] they say 25% inflation expcted here by April [00:07] schestowitz[TR] you can work around some [00:07] DaemonFC Yeah, the UK is getting it worse than we are in many ways. [00:07] DaemonFC And Liz Trump won't help, so don't wait for it. [00:07] schestowitz[TR] even the price of the cheapest loaf of bread went up by a lot [00:07] cubexyz what is the price of bread in UK? [00:08] frog the "gas reallocation tax" is 2.5cents/kWh, and energy prices at the market are 180Euros/mWh... [00:08] DaemonFC It's sad. The good bread is like $3.28 a loaf right now. [00:08] DaemonFC It fluctuates. [00:08] DaemonFC They make "cheap bread" by filling it with air. [00:08] TR News GNU/Linux on PS5? https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7g98a/sony-reintroduced-a-ps4-bug-on-ps5-which-could-have-led-to-a-jailbreak [00:08] TR Bot Sony Reintroduced a PS4 Bug on PS5 Which Could Have Led to a Jailbreak [00:08] DaemonFC They just puff it up so you're paying for air, and then you're hungry again in an hour. [00:08] frog if i am billed with 40cents/kWh, there is no way to explain the +~150% hike with energy prices nor taxes nor inflations, it's just scam and fraud [00:08] TR News Researchers unearth hacking group thats been active, yet undetected for years - CyberScoop https://www.cyberscoop.com/researchers-discover-new-hacking-group/ Source: Scoop News Group | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cyberscoop.com/researchers-discover-new-hacking-group/ [00:08] TR Bot unearth hacking group that's been active, yet undetected for years - CyberScoop [00:09] frog if consumption was cut down then by 50% and price doubled, this would be 400% inflation then ? [00:09] frog per year? [00:09] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], I have a bread machine. Sometimes I just bake my own. Mandy likes it when I bake a fresh loaf. The problem is that it's terrific on day 1. It's okay for stuff days 2,3,4, and only good for toast between days 5-7. [00:09] schestowitz[TR] highest_cubist_thrills: I spent a massive amoutn of time thinking about it [00:09] DaemonFC It doesn't keep like store-bought bread does. [00:10] DaemonFC But the end of the week I'm making toast with butter and jam for breakfast to finish up the loaf before it starts growing mold around day 8 or 9. [00:10] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [00:10] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [00:10] MinceR pre-civilization would be nice [00:11] DaemonFC The bread machine model they made in 1998 is still working fine for me, and I've been using it for 24 years now. [00:11] MinceR it would mean that we'd eventually have civilization [00:11] DaemonFC You buy them off Amazon today and half the reviewers say they're broken in 6-12 months! [00:11] highest_cubist_thrills it would mean that we'd eventually have civilization <-civilisation is overrated, and mostly a euphamism for colonialism [00:11] schestowitz[TR] yeah [00:11] highest_cubist_thrills mostly. [00:11] schestowitz[TR] "modern" appliances are not made to last [00:11] MinceR is it now [00:11] schestowitz[TR] so you can boycott some [00:11] highest_cubist_thrills but it self-identifies as progress [00:11] highest_cubist_thrills which it isnt [00:11] highest_cubist_thrills lots of genocide [00:11] schestowitz[TR] highest_cubist_thrills convinced me to just use the hob (*stove) for water [00:11] highest_cubist_thrills lots of monoculture [00:12] schestowitz[TR] kettles don't last long [00:12] MinceR is it a gas stove? [00:12] schestowitz[TR] no [00:12] schestowitz[TR] electric [00:12] MinceR inductive? [00:12] highest_cubist_thrills mincer: electric kettles are faster [00:12] schestowitz[TR] pot calls kettle "shitty" [00:12] schestowitz[TR] kettles keep breaking [00:12] schestowitz[TR] even brand names [00:12] highest_cubist_thrills but if you use a pan and the water is shallow [00:12] highest_cubist_thrills its pretty fucking fast [00:13] MinceR electric kettles are also most likely more efficient than any non-inductive electric stove [00:13] schestowitz[TR] highest_cubist_thrills: yes, exactly [00:13] highest_cubist_thrills even on the shittiest electric [00:13] highest_cubist_thrills better to move past civilisation than try to go backwards [00:13] schestowitz[TR] you can also boil more water [00:13] schestowitz[TR] 5-10 litres [00:14] highest_cubist_thrills i suppose thats useful if the enemy is climbing up the castle walls [00:15] highest_cubist_thrills 5-10 l is way more tea than i can drink [00:15] highest_cubist_thrills hell its even more soup than i can eat [00:15] schestowitz[TR] no, not like that [00:15] schestowitz[TR] boil up 5 [00:15] schestowitz[TR] 2 litres hot water bottle 1 [00:15] schestowitz[TR] 1 for another [00:16] schestowitz[TR] 1 for tea and coffeee (2 people [00:16] highest_cubist_thrills https://yewtu.be/watch?v=EVw7fzIP6cQ [00:16] TR Bot The Soup Dragons - I'm Free (Official Video) - Invidious [00:16] schestowitz[TR] and bous [00:16] schestowitz[TR] the hob has a times [00:16] schestowitz[TR] *timer [00:16] schestowitz[TR] so you can set up alarts [00:16] schestowitz[TR] *alaerts [00:16] schestowitz[TR] like the whisling old kettles [00:16] schestowitz[TR] *whistling [00:16] schestowitz[TR] except a lot louder [00:17] highest_cubist_thrills /me would love an arduino steam sensor that whistled when steam rose [00:18] highest_cubist_thrills the thing about timers is they should work with the same amt of water every time [00:18] DaemonFC https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/09/23/man-battered-officers-after-being-revived-following-overdose-in-vernon-hills-prosecutors-say/ [00:18] TR Bot Man battered officers after being revived following overdose in Vernon Hills, prosecutors say [00:18] TR News The Fed raised interest rates again. What does that mean for the economy and inflation? - Vox https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23354658/federal-reserve-interest-rate-increase Source: Vox | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23354658/federal-reserve-interest-rate-increase [00:18] TR Bot Fed raised interest rates again. What does that mean for the economy and inflation? - Vox [00:18] highest_cubist_thrills whistles and sensors dont care about that, they work when steam happens [00:18] schestowitz[TR] make sure the device is far from the vapour [00:18] DaemonFC "Sergey Kovalev" [00:18] DaemonFC Sounds Russian. [00:18] highest_cubist_thrills i just listen for the sound of boiling water [00:18] highest_cubist_thrills its good to be near the cooker anyway [00:19] TR News "In-person. Though it might be canceled; I am preposting this and it hasnt been settled as of right now. Go, if you are near Chicago and it happens." https://www.dragonflydigest.com/2022/09/20/27393.html [00:19] TR Bot ChiBUG meeting maybe tonight DragonFly BSD Digest [00:19] highest_cubist_thrills make sure the device is far from the vapour <- i think you would enclose it in something steam-resistant [00:19] DaemonFC "Officers tried to leave and Kovalev prevented them from leaving by allegedly grabbing an officers arm." [00:19] DaemonFC Brilliant. Just brilliant. [00:19] highest_cubist_thrills of course youd have to be very silly to place it directly over the boiling liquid anyway [00:19] highest_cubist_thrills better to have it distances diagonally [00:19] DaemonFC I've never heard of anyone being charged for resisting a police officer who was trying to LEAVE. [00:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [00:20] DaemonFC Well, that's new. [00:20] highest_cubist_thrills and a sensor on a line to keep the device farther would be ideal (and make it easier to position) [00:20] highest_cubist_thrills some pipe cleaners would let you attach it to the hood over the cooker and position it as you liked [00:20] TR News Marjorie Cohn on Assange and more https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/22/states-need-constitutional-amendments-to-protect-abortion-from-right-wing-judges/ [00:20] highest_cubist_thrills of course right now, very little that i own is so pointlessly advanced [00:20] TR Bot Need Constitutional Amendments to Protect Abortion From Right-Wing Judges scheerpost.com [00:20] TR News "I was in the London courtroom when Julian was being tried by Judge Vanessa Baraitser, an updated version of the Queen of Hearts in Alice-in Wonderland demanding the sentence before pronouncing the verdict. It was judicial farce." https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/22/the-chris-hedges-report-julian-assanges-father-on-looming-extradition-and-imperative-of-mass-resistance/ [00:20] TR Bot Chris Hedges Report: Julian Assanges Father on Looming Extradition and Imperative of Mass Resistance scheerpost.com [00:20] highest_cubist_thrills i just listen for the sound of boiling water. [00:21] highest_cubist_thrills but it would be fun [00:21] DaemonFC https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/09/24/gov-jb-pritzker-rebukes-states-attorney-who-said-safe-t-act-will-be-greatest-jailbreak-in-history/ [00:21] TR Bot Gov. JB Pritzker rebukes state's attorney who said SAFE-T Act will be 'greatest jailbreak' in history [00:22] schestowitz[TR] the stereo we used is almost 30 years old [00:22] schestowitz[TR] samsung [00:22] DaemonFC "Haine said half of the jail population in Madison County over 100 inmates will be required to be released. Many of the inmates released will be awaiting trial for crimes such as aggravated driving under the influence, aggravated battery and burglary." [00:22] DaemonFC "Haine said many of those expected to be released are repeat offenders and previously failed to appear in court or comply with the conditions of their release." [00:23] schestowitz[TR] it was't even a premium one at its time [00:23] schestowitz[TR] it was the budget one [00:23] schestowitz[TR] now we have "branded" kettles that last one year [00:24] schestowitz[TR] hard NOT to be cynical [00:24] schestowitz[TR] cubexyz: do you still run 1990s PCs? [00:24] schestowitz[TR] did they survive? [00:24] highest_cubist_thrills things are getting so cheap and disposable [00:24] highest_cubist_thrills if you want anything to last youll have to build it yourself [00:24] schestowitz[TR] 'cheap' [00:24] schestowitz[TR] like sache of things [00:24] schestowitz[TR] 'cheap' shampoo [00:24] schestowitz[TR] for 2 washes [00:25] highest_cubist_thrills they make luxury model kettles [00:25] schestowitz[TR] cars that cost 10000 to repair 10 years down the road [00:25] schestowitz[TR] per incident [00:25] highest_cubist_thrills but being more expensive is no guaratee of reliability [00:25] highest_cubist_thrills sometimes it helps [00:25] schestowitz[TR] if they can find any parts at all [00:25] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], The longest lived computer I've had was a 1991 model that was still working until 2018. [00:25] highest_cubist_thrills i can go buy a kettle that costs $300 [00:25] schestowitz[TR] many people sell old BMWs here [00:26] highest_cubist_thrills 100 times what mine cost. [00:26] schestowitz[TR] and they're sold cheaply second hand [00:26] DaemonFC #2 was a 1986 model that worked until 2003. [00:26] highest_cubist_thrills its not a kettle, but i use it as one. [00:26] schestowitz[TR] nobody wants to buy a "preowned" car for 15k and then pay 5k per year on repairs [00:26] highest_cubist_thrills i might love it [00:26] highest_cubist_thrills but $300 will also feed me for a significant amt of time [00:26] DaemonFC nobody wants to buy a "preowned" car for 15k and then pay 5k per year on repairs [00:26] highest_cubist_thrills it would be pretty silly to spend $300 on a kettle unless i had so much money i didnt know what to do with it [00:26] schestowitz[TR] i can go buy a kettle that costs $300 [00:26] schestowitz[TR] electric hob [00:26] DaemonFC Most aren't that high unless you buy a really shitty brand. [00:27] schestowitz[TR] and it's useful for other things too [00:27] schestowitz[TR] heck, it can also warm up a kitchen [00:27] schestowitz[TR] doubling as a heater [00:27] DaemonFC A 5 year old BMW costs more to keep on the road than a 20 year old Honda does. [00:27] highest_cubist_thrills doubling as a heater <- sounds incredibly inefficient [00:28] schestowitz[TR] youyr heart sinks when your clunker goes clunk clunk and you know a visit to the garge will wipe your year's savings [00:28] highest_cubist_thrills and it's useful for other things too <- with you on this part [00:28] schestowitz[TR] highest_cubist_thrills: not if you cook [00:28] DaemonFC They keep paying me to take toothpaste. [00:28] schestowitz[TR] and make use of the heat resiudue [00:28] DaemonFC Why not? [00:28] highest_cubist_thrills oh sure, fair enough [00:28] highest_cubist_thrills heater went out last winter [00:28] DaemonFC They're really trying to establish this "brand". [00:28] highest_cubist_thrills tried to use the oven (electric) for a bit to warm up [00:28] schestowitz[TR] we're trying to find ways to reuse heat [00:28] DaemonFC All the "brands" of consumable products are getting very aggressive with promotions. [00:29] highest_cubist_thrills bigger heating element than the cooker [00:29] highest_cubist_thrills it didnt help much. [00:29] schestowitz[TR] body, appliance, kiutchenware [00:29] schestowitz[TR] like they do in datacentres [00:29] highest_cubist_thrills but if youre burning the energy anyway for something else, sure [00:29] schestowitz[TR] warming up the whole building using the servers [00:29] highest_cubist_thrills for a bit to warm up <- obviously you dont want to do this too much or for too long [00:29] highest_cubist_thrills because its a hazard [00:29] highest_cubist_thrills some idiot falls asleep and wakes up to sirens [00:30] highest_cubist_thrills but the heat came back on in a couple days, and i never left it unattended [00:30] schestowitz[TR] here, soon... like, next month... heating up a small home can cost 2000 pounds a month [00:30] schestowitz[TR] *200 [00:30] highest_cubist_thrills nor at a temp that would... yknow [00:30] schestowitz[TR] that's more than price of food [00:30] schestowitz[TR] in wintertime [00:30] highest_cubist_thrills some rudimentary physics is helpful here [00:30] highest_cubist_thrills otherwise you might be surprised [00:30] schestowitz[TR] forrrrrrr comparison, my site's hosting is like 30 a month [00:31] schestowitz[TR] inc. email and all [00:31] *schestowitz[TR] restarts barrier [00:32] schestowitz[TR] i read that in german price of energy can go up five-fold?? [00:32] schestowitz[TR] *germany [00:32] schestowitz[TR] maybe just for gas [00:32] schestowitz[TR] germany has a history with gasd bills [00:33] schestowitz[TR] you tyoo would blow your brains out if you had to choose b etween paying the gas bills and paying IBM [00:34] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], I might cover this later. [00:34] schestowitz[TR] cool [00:35] DaemonFC Companies giving me "free" or cheap consumable products as promotions hoping I'll change my spending habits to more expensive products, and why I don't after the promotions end. [00:35] DaemonFC Will I take a free $6 tube of toothpaste? Sure. Will I buy one later? No. [00:36] schestowitz[TR] yesterday we looked for the budget toothpaste [00:37] schestowitz[TR] could not find it [00:37] schestowitz[TR] they had removed it from the inventories [00:37] schestowitz[TR] didn't shrink the tube [00:37] schestowitz[TR] just removed it [00:37] schestowitz[TR] the cheapest now is 40% higher than that [00:37] DaemonFC They're tapped into consumer illiteracy. People have been using "normal" cheap toothpaste for many decades and their heads didn't fly off and explode because they have a chemical they can't pronounce. So people like Vani Hari have targeted certain "chemicals" there's nothing wrong with by name, and then big toothpaste companies create shell corporations to hide their identity and put different chemicals in them and jack up the price. [00:37] schestowitz[TR] price [00:39] schestowitz[TR] "generics" [00:39] schestowitz[TR] colgate is an interesting one [00:39] schestowitz[TR] it has an upselling tactic [00:39] schestowitz[TR] they want to know what's the most you are willing to spend [00:39] DaemonFC "Nateoan was created by a small and passionate team of scientists and herbalists on a mission to give you the very best that science can offer." Most of their tubes don't have fluoride. I wouldn't use them even for free. You need fluoride or the toothpaste is only doing half its job. [00:39] schestowitz[TR] then they create tiers [00:39] schestowitz[TR] some stores will never stock the lower tiers [00:39] DaemonFC Manual removal of plaque is half the job, remineralization of enamel is the other half. [00:40] schestowitz[TR] some shops for 9 to 5 workers will stock only very expensive tiers [00:40] schestowitz[TR] so you are stuck with bad options [00:40] DaemonFC So this is not the best that science can do. It's worse than the science of the 1950s, when fluoride toothpaste hit the shelves. [00:40] DaemonFC "small team" - The company that owns Alacer Corp is Glaxosmithkline, the makers of Tums, Sensodyne and lots of prescription drugs. [00:40] DaemonFC :) [00:41] schestowitz[TR] if you can still bfind the budget tube, buy the shelf :-) [00:41] schestowitz[TR] while it lasts [00:41] TR News (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/24/today_s_howtos.3.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/24/today_s_howtos.3.gmi [00:41] TR Bot Tux Machines today's howtos [00:41] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], iBotta pays me rebates to grab the expensive stuff. [00:41] DaemonFC So I have a toothpaste mountain in my pantry in the kitchen on the top shelf. [00:42] DaemonFC Every time I get a free or half-price tube, it goes on the shelf. [00:42] DaemonFC Probably have a couple of years worth. [00:43] schestowitz[TR] 2 is a lot [00:43] schestowitz[TR] we once bought 50 tubes [00:43] schestowitz[TR] in wilko when it was quarter price [00:43] DaemonFC Yeah, I bought ten years worth once. [00:43] schestowitz[TR] I did that with soap bars [00:43] schestowitz[TR] not a great idea [00:43] schestowitz[TR] they're large [00:43] DaemonFC They were closing it out at Kroger and I bought it for 37 cents per 6 ounce tube. [00:44] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], I ended up using it all. [00:44] schestowitz[TR] for w while I used them in the wardrobe [00:44] schestowitz[TR] for scent [00:44] schestowitz[TR] but the scent runs out after a lot less than 10 years [00:44] DaemonFC I use hand soap refills in the shower. [00:44] DaemonFC The aloe vera stuff without triclosan, obviously. [00:44] schestowitz[TR] large bottle [00:44] schestowitz[TR] small dispenser [00:45] schestowitz[TR] of glass [00:45] DaemonFC So it doesn't dry out the skin or use lots of nasty antibacterials that screw up your microbiome. [00:45] DaemonFC Good bacteria crowd out bad bacteria on your skin. [00:45] schestowitz[TR] washing liquids too [00:45] DaemonFC Triclosan mainly nukes good bacteria, and then bad bacteria take their place. [00:45] TR News (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/24/Security_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/24/Security_Leftovers.1.gmi [00:45] TR Bot Tux Machines Security Leftovers [00:46] schestowitz[TR] there are ripoffs that are still hard to work around [00:46] schestowitz[TR] work in progress [00:46] DaemonFC An indiscriminate killer of bacteria all over your body every day is a really bad idea. [00:46] DaemonFC You explain that to people, but they don't get it. [00:46] schestowitz[TR] I still use my grandpa's shaver [00:46] schestowitz[TR] from early 90s [00:46] schestowitz[TR] still works, not perfectly [00:47] schestowitz[TR] costs of running an squarium are low too [00:47] schestowitz[TR] but the potions for the water almost doubled in price [00:47] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], About the media not mentioning Gemini at all, that's true. The media is horrible. [00:47] schestowitz[TR] we need to find a way around it [00:47] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: let that medddia die away [00:48] schestowitz[TR] hmm... barrier still vooomiting out multiple keystrokes [00:48] DaemonFC "Today in the Ukraine war, we see even more about the pathetic dark depths of depravity in the human soul....and now we turn to COVID vaccines. COVID vaccines are brought to you by Pumpkin Spice Pepsi!". [00:48] schestowitz[TR] will reconnect to network [00:49] DaemonFC "Get one, or be harassed by mjg59_ on Twitter!" [00:49] DaemonFC "Twitter, brought to you by the CIA, Bill Gates, and a pile of JavaShit!" [00:49] schestowitz[TR] done, testing [00:49] schestowitz[TR] keystrokes all go oveer the local LAN [00:49] DaemonFC JavaShit isn't even the end of it anymore. [00:49] schestowitz[TR] hmmm... still doubling / [00:50] DaemonFC If you don't turn it on, "WebComponents" doesn't work. [00:50] DaemonFC This is terrible. [00:50] DaemonFC Mozilla Blog: Today we're announcing that we've given up and sold our souls to Satan because it's easier that way. [00:50] DaemonFC Also, Cancel Everyone and Shut Down the Web! [00:51] DaemonFC Giving up and selling your soul to Satan because it's easier that way is something mjg59_ did more than a decade ago. [00:51] schestowitz i meant local neywork [00:51] DaemonFC Now all he has is being a shyster. [00:51] schestowitz local lan is local local [00:51] DaemonFC Hiring even more shysters. [00:51] schestowitz i found a way toi disable spam in new firefox tabs [00:52] schestowitz it's llike a back doors [00:52] schestowitz the spam is always there [00:52] schestowitz waiting for mozilla to send instructions [00:52] schestowitz over the server [00:52] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], Apparently, Apple plans to enable HEIC on the Web in Webkit. [00:52] schestowitz and add spam to your browsing [00:52] DaemonFC Very soon! [00:52] schestowitz it just wakes up when the server tells it to [00:53] schestowitz[TR] mozilla: apple is privacy [00:53] schestowitz[TR] apple is freedom [00:53] schestowitz[TR] lifestle(tm) [00:53] schestowitz[TR] the SF way [00:53] DaemonFC I spoke with Michael Catanzaro and we're asking them not to do that. It will create a huge mess, which is probably why Apple is going for it. [00:53] schestowitz[TR] *lifestyle [00:53] schestowitz[TR] baker is derangeda [00:53] schestowitz[TR] at her age, what's the point stockpiling money? [00:53] schestowitz[TR] if she believes in open web, software freedom etc. [00:53] schestowitz[TR] she does not need to prioritise that graft [00:54] DaemonFC The only good news is they won't advertise HEIC in the HTTP request header, but rogue Web developers could see Webkit and assume everything with Webkit can handle them. [00:54] schestowitz[TR] hard-restarting barrier seems to have solved it [00:54] schestowitz[TR] i think ram being low was the culprit... and paging to disk [00:54] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: webp is bad enough [00:54] schestowitz[TR] and swpats bomg [00:54] schestowitz[TR] emember jpeg2000? [00:54] schestowitz[TR] microsoft was pushing that, too [00:55] schestowitz[TR] they sacrifice cross-device support [00:55] DaemonFC The only thing we can do is ask Apple not to, refuse to implement it in WebkitGTK, and expand the useragent.cpp to include more UA hacks to avoid Web sites sending them to us as we find out about them. [00:55] schestowitz[TR] for supposed "low bw ussage" [00:55] schestowitz[TR] whiole throwing up megabytes of JS [00:55] DaemonFC JPEG 2000 support is about to be removed from Webkit because Safari is removing it. [00:55] schestowitz[TR] and then using more patent-encumbered formats [00:55] schestowitz[TR] with larger binaries [00:55] DaemonFC No point pushing it anymore. It's more than 20 years old. [00:55] schestowitz[TR] and more dependencies [00:55] DaemonFC No patents. [00:56] schestowitz[TR] 20 years, yes [00:56] schestowitz[TR] for patents [00:56] schestowitz[TR] same for mp3 [00:56] schestowitz[TR] mp3 is "dwad" btw [00:56] schestowitz[TR] says media [00:56] DaemonFC JPEG 2000 would have been a perfectly acceptable format had there been NO patents to license for it. [00:56] schestowitz[TR] owned by patent holders [00:56] DaemonFC The patent mess is what did their own standard in. [00:56] DaemonFC At least they seem to have learned that lesson for JPEG-XL. [00:56] schestowitz[TR] mp4 patentsd too start to run ouit [00:56] DaemonFC So I don't see why we shouldn't recommend JPEG-XL. [00:56] schestowitz[TR] so HEVC si pushed [00:56] schestowitz[TR] and AV1 [00:56] schestowitz[TR] of course [00:57] schestowitz[TR] liek you said, not they try to push mrna for flu [00:57] schestowitz[TR] as if flu vaccines don't work [00:57] schestowitz[TR] and we need to weed out generic remedies [00:57] DaemonFC It is plausible that patent trolls will come at you for using JPEG-XL, which is true of any MODERN software. However, at least the creators have pledged not to sue and have given a worldwide irrevocable patent license for it. [00:57] schestowitz[TR] they do this with a lot of pills that people take for a lifetime [00:57] schestowitz[TR] and buy off the generics [00:57] DaemonFC So it's not actively malicious. [00:58] schestowitz[TR] to ensure no alternatives exist, unless you import [00:58] schestowitz[TR] than they make the imports "illega" [00:58] schestowitz[TR] "heal;th hazard" [00:58] schestowitz[TR] "why wwould you buy from india???" [00:58] DaemonFC We could conceivably see people get sued for Opus, but I still recommend it. [00:58] schestowitz[TR] (the exactly same product we used to sell domestically anyway) [00:58] DaemonFC As the years go by, even a patent troll popping out from under a bridge gets less likely. [00:59] schestowitz[TR] mpeg-la does not do just swpats anymore [00:59] schestowitz[TR] they move to more markets [00:59] schestowitz[TR] to troll, tax, ruin [00:59] DaemonFC Most of what Opus does was defined by 15 years ago or so. [00:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 17.20 k/sec., IPFS upstream 157.46 average k/sec., average swarm size 129.30 [00:59] DaemonFC So there's just not a huge window of exposure for theoretical patents. [00:59] schestowitz[TR] patent evergreening [00:59] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2019/10/30/patent-evergreening-kills/ [00:59] TR Bot Patent Evergreening Kills | Techrights [00:59] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2020/07/08/fraunhofer-is-cartel/ [00:59] TR Bot Fraunhofer is Again Evergreening Software Patents to Maintain Its Codecs Cartel, Forcing Everyone to Pay to View/Stream Multimedia Files | Techrights ● Sep 25 [01:00] DaemonFC The large majority of patents that are in the HEVC pool date back to AVC. [01:00] DaemonFC So many expire in just a couple years or so. [01:00] DaemonFC However, they add more. [01:00] starstreak linucks [01:00] schestowitz[TR] hevc is not a monolith [01:00] DaemonFC Their goal is you may beat some but you'll never escape it all. [01:00] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2015/07/26/hevc-cartel/ [01:00] TR Bot HEVC Cartel is Not News, Only the Names of Backers and the Costs Are New | Techrights [01:01] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], It's like the prosecutor charging you with 11 crimes for one offense. [01:01] DaemonFC It gives him the leverage to extract a false confession. [01:01] DaemonFC Then everyone goes "Well if you didn't do it, you wouldn't have taken a plea deal!". [01:02] DaemonFC Including my mother. [01:02] schestowitz[TR] yes, schqrtz was hit with doizens [01:02] schestowitz[TR] swartz [01:02] DaemonFC The system is so good at bullshitting people your own mom doesn't believe you when it turns on you. [01:02] DaemonFC You know what she said to me when she finally lost the argument? [01:03] schestowitz[TR] trump evades it [01:03] DaemonFC "Well, if you hadn't followed John to Chicago, this wouldn't have happened!". [01:03] schestowitz[TR] zcot-free [01:03] schestowitz[TR] scot [01:03] schestowitz[TR] it works in reverse too,m you know [01:03] DaemonFC Like, "You deserve what the police did to you because you're a nasty homosexual and you went to live with John in Chicago and then it got worse and worse.". [01:03] schestowitz[TR] "i am innocent because i didn't lose in court yet" [01:04] schestowitz[TR] "i am not really guilty, but I settled with them" -poor person [01:04] XRevan86 scientes: Are ye around? [01:04] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], As far as I know, nobody has objected to my petition for expungement. [01:04] XRevan86 Did scientes actually get himself into trouble? [01:05] immibis_ DaemonFC: isn't that what you say about transgenders? [01:05] DaemonFC Probably busy dealing with the shitshow that's unfolding every day in Lake Country to deal with whether I should have a record of a Class C Misdemeanor from three years ago. [01:05] schestowitz[TR] scientes is online [01:05] DaemonFC DaemonFC: isn't that what you say about transgenders? [01:05] DaemonFC What did I say? [01:05] schestowitz[TR] he did not accuse them of crimes [01:05] immibis_ you just generally hate them [01:05] immibis_ and want bad things to happen to them [01:06] DaemonFC The only thing I said was I consider them to be a man who is horribly confused about something. I didn't say they should be punished or that I hate them. [01:06] DaemonFC Keith in particular, you know, about the mental disorders. Especially the ones surrounding that. [01:07] DaemonFC I would say if Keith had been younger than along the way to being a "trans woman" he would have been diagnosed with some trendy mental illness that everyone wants to have now for some reason. [01:07] DaemonFC Like Autism. [01:07] DaemonFC *then [01:08] DaemonFC He has some sort of delusional warped perception of reality that significantly impairs his daily life, but not enough so that he absolutely cannot function. [01:08] DaemonFC Who makes statements that they are horrified of even seeing cooked rice because "It reminds me of maggots."? [01:08] immibis_ what is the point of calling people delusional if you believe this should have no practical effect? [01:09] DaemonFC I wasn't stating that being trans was the source of the delusions or the mental illness. [01:09] DaemonFC I was saying it could be part of the outgrowth of the mental illness. [01:09] DaemonFC One manifestation of whatever was causing his odd behavior and weird eating habits and stuff. [01:10] DaemonFC I'd say that he's mentally ill for sure, but in a way that does not present an active threat to others. [01:10] schestowitz[TR] anyway, back to tech [01:10] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: don't take bait [01:11] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: isn't that what you say about transgenders? [01:11] schestowitz[TR] seems odd this was brought up [01:11] immibis_ schestowitz[TR]: DaemonFC said something about police brutality against homosexuals. [01:12] schestowitz[TR] seems like molotov/grenade throwing in irc [01:12] schestowitz[TR] we spoke about patents and police pressing BS charges [01:12] DaemonFC I don't think that the police should be allowed to act the way that they do to anyone who isn't presently committing a grave threat to the public or to the officer themselves. [01:12] schestowitz[TR] I am still being copyright-trolled BTW [01:12] schestowitz[TR] for over a month now [01:12] highest_cubist_thrills such a waste, throwing a molotov cocktail on a dumpster fire [01:12] DaemonFC In general, the police behave aggressively and commit illegal actions (and cover it up) towards people when there is no justification for it at all. [01:12] schestowitz[TR] police is brutal to everyone [01:12] schestowitz[TR] inc. gays [01:13] starstreak they treat trans even worse [01:13] schestowitz[TR] yes, but that's far off topic [01:13] DaemonFC One of the dangers of the Illinois Workers Rights Amendment is the police can nullify the police reforms in the SAFE-T Act, including body cameras, by negotiating it all away in a new "labor contract", which will preempt the law. [01:13] starstreak i got charged for serving court papers [01:14] schestowitz[TR] and controversial, divisive among both men and women [01:14] schestowitz[TR] so let's focus on tech [01:14] DaemonFC So, I intend to vote NO on the so-called "Workers Rights Amendment". [01:14] starstreak i use arch linucks btw [01:14] DaemonFC The language of the amendment is dangerous and the positive part is already established in statute. [01:14] schestowitz[TR] going to post daily links now [01:14] schestowitz[TR] not much done today and a guest was over here [01:14] DaemonFC So there's no pressing, dire need to pass this as-is. [01:14] starstreak waiting for the gnome 43 update in arch linucks [01:17] schestowitz[TR] why? [01:17] schestowitz[TR] what do you need in it? ;-) [01:18] DaemonFC It should have more progress in the transition to GTK4. [01:18] DaemonFC That's probably the biggest line item. [01:18] schestowitz[TR] coffee o'clock [01:18] DaemonFC Nautilus and GNOME Web were both left out last time. [01:18] schestowitz[TR] wqill record 3 videos shortly [01:18] schestowitz[TR] in a row [01:18] DaemonFC "When it's ready!" [01:18] frog and GTK4 locked into OpenGL, cannot be removed anymore [01:18] starstreak Gnome Web seems cool but no extensions makes it useless [01:18] frog didn't verify dbus/systemd anymore [01:19] DaemonFC It's going to support them eventually. [01:19] DaemonFC The enablement work is happening now. [01:19] frog out of curiosity, if TinyGL sufficed with GTK4... doubt it would [01:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [01:20] frog with GTK4 this entire project is a total write-off [01:20] DaemonFC https://debugpointnews.com/gnome-web-43-extension/ [01:20] TR Bot reply from server ( status 0 @ https://debugpointnews.com/gnome-web-43-extension/ ) [01:21] starstreak DaemonFC, Coming in GNOME 43 [01:21] starstreak thats cool :D [01:22] starstreak another reason im waiting for arch to release gnome 43 [01:22] DaemonFC Everything except WebRequest should work. [01:22] DaemonFC That's going to have to be added on top in the GTK port of Webkit at some future date. [01:22] starstreak firefox is kinda pissing me off, maybe gnome web will be better (once there are extensions) [01:22] DaemonFC But GNOME Web does support Webkit Content Blockers and advertisements are disabled by default. [01:22] frog plague and colera, pick your poison [01:22] TR News Links 24/09/2022: pgAdmin 4 v6.14 and ONLYOFFICE 7.2 Released | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/24/pgadmin-4-v6-14-released/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/24/pgadmin-4-v6-14-released/ [01:23] TR Bot Links 24/09/2022: pgAdmin 4 v6.14 and ONLYOFFICE 7.2 Released | Techrights [01:23] DaemonFC It uses the Easylist Content Blocker. [01:23] TR News (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/today_s_leftovers.gmi [01:23] TR Bot Tux Machines today's leftovers [01:23] starstreak DaemonFC, i need privacy badger and decentraleyes too [01:24] TR News [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D710.jpg [01:24] DaemonFC Well, for now it's EasyList Content Blocker and Intelligent Tracking Protection. [01:25] TR News [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D364.jpg [01:27] starstreak its pretty cool that you can use firefox extensions [01:30] TR News Weird. You never have such problems with cash. Is this smart? Does this make life simpler? Or simpler for govs. and companies to spy on everything you do (both location and purchases)? https://www.maketecheasier.com/fix-apple-pay-not-working/ [01:30] TR Bot Apple Pay Not Working? Here's How to Fix it - Make Tech Easier [01:31] schestowitz[TR] firefox still has extensions ??!?!?! [01:31] starstreak yes, why wouldn't it? [01:31] techuser depends [01:31] schestowitz[TR] they kill so many [01:31] techuser not anymore / yes [01:31] schestowitz[TR] xul for starters [01:31] techuser old extensions were killed [01:31] schestowitz[TR] inc. some extensions of minr [01:31] schestowitz[TR] iirc, highest_cubist_thrills made some too [01:31] techuser new extensions were introduced [01:31] schestowitz[TR] mozilla doesn't care [01:31] schestowitz[TR] it sees volunteers devs as serfs [01:32] starstreak ublock origin, decentraleyes and privacy badger updated to the new standard [01:32] schestowitz[TR] theme-ing used to be nice [01:32] schestowitz[TR] now it seems to have been reduce to some images at the top [01:32] schestowitz[TR] no menu icons, scrollsbars, context menus [01:32] highest_cubist_thrills they arent standards [01:32] schestowitz[TR] they killed off useful APIs [01:32] highest_cubist_thrills theyre just fashion [01:33] highest_cubist_thrills now, sometimes they have a good reason. [01:33] highest_cubist_thrills its true. sometimes old versions of things are shit [01:33] schestowitz[TR] starstreak: "what mozilla says" is not a standard] [01:33] highest_cubist_thrills openbsd breaks openbsd when it sees fit. [01:33] highest_cubist_thrills good excuses arent the same as good reasons [01:33] highest_cubist_thrills usually, they do things based on excuses [01:33] highest_cubist_thrills and bullshit [01:33] highest_cubist_thrills theoeretically, sometimes in practice [01:33] schestowitz[TR] they needless destroyed a lot of thunderbird and firerfox software [01:33] schestowitz[TR] that was most useful [01:33] highest_cubist_thrills newer is better [01:33] highest_cubist_thrills just not usually. [01:34] schestowitz[TR] they even castrated firefox and thunderbird [01:34] schestowitz[TR] proper pgp support, rss [01:34] starstreak thunderbird was always trash, its bloated and slow [01:34] schestowitz[TR] only the logos remain... and evolve [01:34] schestowitz[TR] they're run like brands and spam you with brands [01:34] starstreak so whats better than firefox? [01:35] schestowitz[TR] not much [01:35] schestowitz[TR] but librewolf helps a little [01:35] schestowitz[TR] at least it takes some control away from moz [01:35] schestowitz[TR] which is a good start [01:35] starstreak doesnt fix the extensions issue though [01:36] schestowitz[TR] no [01:36] schestowitz[TR] pale moon does, maybe.. or just waterfox [01:36] schestowitz[TR] and waterfox is mlaware now [01:36] schestowitz[TR] it's owned by a spying conglemerate [01:37] schestowitz[TR] the www will only get worse [01:37] schestowitz[TR] better to startt lookig beyond it [01:37] schestowitz[TR] like we did with social control media [01:37] schestowitz[TR] better sooner, not lkater [01:37] schestowitz[TR] linux might be the same [01:37] schestowitz[TR] for many computers the new features are BS [01:37] schestowitz[TR] they are not therre for most users [01:37] schestowitz[TR] but the croporate inbterests [01:37] schestowitz[TR] 10 years ago you waited for linux to have a major new release [01:38] schestowitz[TR] as it fixed or added something [01:38] schestowitz[TR] now... not really [01:38] starstreak i don't see gemini really gaining much traction among non tech people [01:38] highest_cubist_thrills maybe theyre using mozilla versioning now [01:38] schestowitz[TR] the new stuff is of little use to you [01:38] highest_cubist_thrills both are tied to the linux foundation right [01:38] highest_cubist_thrills obviously linux is [01:38] highest_cubist_thrills linucks [01:38] schestowitz[TR] linux in 2030 is linux 30 [01:38] starstreak i recently switched from brave to firefox [01:38] schestowitz[TR] one version bumb every 3 months ;-) [01:38] schestowitz[TR] *bump [01:39] schestowitz[TR] systemd adopted that [01:39] schestowitz[TR] windows NT also [01:39] starstreak linucks [01:39] schestowitz[TR] is vista 11 just NT 7? [01:39] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [01:39] schestowitz[TR] or 6.1? [01:39] schestowitz[TR] was that vista 7? [01:40] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [01:47] starstreak what about ReactOS? [01:47] highest_cubist_thrills github [01:48] highest_cubist_thrills mostly relies on non-free drivers [01:48] highest_cubist_thrills patent liability from hell [01:48] MinceR not sure why, though [01:48] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], I've taken a lot of swipes at GSK for the fluoride-free toothpaste. [01:48] MinceR i could write an "OS" that freezes without any drivers [01:48] MinceR really, freezing doesn't need drivers [01:49] DaemonFC "Does GSK warrant that their fluoride-free Natean toothpaste will provide the same level of cavity protection? No." [01:49] DaemonFC "Who pays for fillings and extractions if it doesn't? Not them!" [01:49] highest_cubist_thrills lol [01:50] DaemonFC "What they're doing with Natean toothpaste is essentially to hoodwink "health conscious" consumers." "A deeply disturbing trend towards scientific illiteracy has been unfolding in America for decades, and now we're to the point where a "food mommy" with a blog can literally target random chemicals that she can't pronounce and, without a relevant degree hanging on her wall of any field of science, much less not having any clinical studies in [01:50] DaemonFC support, claims that they all cause cancer or something." "When she collected her first "scalp" it was to go after Subway for having Azodicarbonamide in the bread as a trace ingredient. Without any evidence, she "linked" it to a whole host of health conditions, and then shamed them into getting rid of it by having the media refer to it as "the yoga mat chemical"." "Seeing an opening, corporate America immediately flooded store shelves with [01:50] DaemonFC reformulated products. Which contain completely different chemicals that she hasn't gone after yet, which are also usually a tongue-twister, and if that's not bad enough, GSK is now pandering to the anti-fluoride crowd too." [01:52] DaemonFC "See, the majority of Natean (which was interestingly, the name of a villain in the Lucian Alliance in Stargate SG-1), toothpastes say they are fluoride-free." [01:52] DaemonFC MinceR, ^ [01:52] MinceR :) [01:52] DaemonFC "Fluoridation of toothpaste was a miracle of scientific accomplishment, in the 1950s, when it hit the shelves, as was fluoridation of public drinking water. Tooth decay was arrested to the extent that dental caries in children (who are most at risk, you see) went down by over 85% over the next decade. However, an anti-science movement sweeping America like a plague is leaving some towns without fluoridation, which costs only pennies, and is [01:52] DaemonFC scaring the hell out of parents into buying expensive toothpaste that does a really shitty job at preventing decay of teeth. Manual removal of plaque is really all non-fluoridated toothpaste has left. It costs a lot of money to go to the dentist, and the victims of anti-fluoride movements are often poor and uninsured. They end up flocking into hospital emergency rooms across America getting emergency dental extractions and walk around missing [01:52] DaemonFC teeth." [01:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.48 k/sec., IPFS upstream 39.90 average k/sec., average swarm size 136.85 ● Sep 25 [02:01] DaemonFC "Mom never gets her vaccines. In a single year, she managed to fall out of the vaccine-preventable respiratory illness tree and hit every single one (pneumonia, flu, and COVID) on the way down. She fought with me to the point where I thought we weren't going to speak again for 10 years before she marched down to the doctor and got Paxlovid and then said "I feel much better now. Thank you!"." [02:01] DaemonFC "On top of making fun of me for getting my vaccines and skipping over all of that, mom also makes fun of me for taking my Crestor to keep my cholesterol down (very small dose). She actually says things like, "Cholesterol levels don't matter."." [02:02] DaemonFC "I told her, "And you can pour all of the hamburger and bacon grease you want down the drain until you can't."." [02:02] DaemonFC MinceR, Reminds me of my washing machine that came with a sticker on it. [02:02] DaemonFC It said "Bubbles are fun until they're not. Please be careful not to use too much laundry soap. Read the manual. Page 27.". [02:05] *lukaso666 has quit (connection closed) [02:05] *lukaso666 (~lukaso666@rrte8vbqhndt8.irc) has joined #techrights [02:07] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], Mom got an identical washer to me and it konked out after a year. [02:07] DaemonFC I said, "Well, have you been cleaning the lint traps". [02:08] DaemonFC She goes, "Lint traps?". [02:08] DaemonFC :) [02:09] DaemonFC She was telling me all about Crestor and how it was going to fuck up my brain and then she left her Instant Pot on the stove and turned the stove on and destroyed her Instant Pot with the stove. [02:09] DaemonFC MinceR, ^ [02:13] DaemonFC I never said mjg59_ was stupid or scientifically illiterate. He's like MARISOL. [02:13] DaemonFC He's a Dark Triad personality type. [02:14] DaemonFC He knows that there's no biological basis for being "trans" and the "RealFact" about gender, not the party line. [02:14] DaemonFC But he goes against it because he has his own reasons to. [02:14] DaemonFC Just like how he's dishonest about quite a lot else. [02:15] MinceR what sort of "RealFact" do you mean? [02:15] DaemonFC What was commonly accepted by biologists before they rejected scientific fact and adopted wokeness instead. [02:16] MinceR which was...? [02:16] DaemonFC At this point they're about as legitimate as psychiatrists. [02:16] DaemonFC When the facts don't agree with you, bullshit your way past them until you find something that flies in the current political environment. [02:16] MinceR i see we'll never find out [02:17] DaemonFC which was...? [02:17] DaemonFC Two genders. [02:17] MinceR and which of those two do people with chromosome disorders go? [02:17] DaemonFC This was not controversial before everybody lost their minds and we had riots in the streets and cars on fire, including maybe our cars, and had to look away from it all or else we were racist. [02:18] MinceR which of those two do people with mutated sex hormones or sex hormone receptors go? [02:18] MinceR where do chimeras go? [02:18] DaemonFC Cheaper to declare your car a loss than it is to complain about it and become an unemployable pariah. [02:18] MinceR knowing more than 1 bit about biology and knowing a bit of nuance is not "losing your mind" [02:18] DaemonFC Same ZIP code as the rest of what mjg59_'s ilk is after. [02:19] highest_cubist_thrills its ironic as FUCK that to keep the master race going, nazis have to recruit from the bottom of the iq range [02:19] highest_cubist_thrills if hitler saw this he would probably eat another chocolate and shoot himself again [02:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [02:20] DaemonFC I'm sure that the bulk of the Nazi muscle wasn't their best and brightest. [02:20] highest_cubist_thrills youtube: hitler reacts to the fucking loser idiots in the neonazi parties [02:20] DaemonFC You don't send the scientists out with a rifle in hand to go fight your war. [02:20] highest_cubist_thrills WHO ARE THESE FUCKING MORONS! *throws pencils* [02:21] highest_cubist_thrills DIDNT ANYONE SCREEN THEM TO SEE IF THEY HAD ANY INTELLIGENCE! [02:21] highest_cubist_thrills THEYRE MAKING THE PARTY INTO A LAUGHING STOCK! [02:22] DaemonFC I'm not a member of any Nazi Party. [02:23] DaemonFC There is an American Nazi Party, but most estimates of their membership are less than 12,000 people in a country of at least 340 million. [02:23] MinceR there's also a "republican" party [02:24] DaemonFC There's also a Communist and Socialist Party, combined membership of 140,000 or so. [02:24] MinceR i wonder if the "republicans" will manage to cure themselves of ruscism by 2024 [02:24] DaemonFC Probably not. [02:24] DaemonFC There's a party schism right now. [02:26] DaemonFC The Trump-wing is strong enough to win primaries, but that doesn't necessarily help them. [02:26] DaemonFC Take Dr. Oz for example. [02:26] DaemonFC Trump went full force for Dr. Oz, he won Pennsylvania's Republican primary by a nose. [02:26] DaemonFC Now he's doing very badly in the polling and will likely throw an election that they could have won. [02:28] DaemonFC Unless one side or the other emerges with a clear victory, they're going to keep throwing winnable elections to the Democrats. [02:29] DaemonFC The biggest thing in the way of Trumpist policies right now is Trump himself. [02:29] DaemonFC He's just plowed the road to a believable scenario where the Democrats emerge with at least control of the Senate and Biden has at least two more years to pack the federal bench as quickly as possible. [02:40] TR News Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. 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Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [04:33] DaemonFC mjg59_ thinks I'm a racist, well, let's back the truck up and evaluate this. [04:33] DaemonFC You want millions of Mexicans crashing into our country every year. Then you wonder why abortion is illegal. [04:34] DaemonFC Abortion's illegal in most of Mexico on down, isn't it? [04:34] DaemonFC You bring in the people that have those beliefs, you get a country with those laws. [04:34] DaemonFC Right now, it's like 12 states, but it'll be more. You get a lot of Hispanic/Latino Trumpists. [04:35] DaemonFC It's the elephant in the room. They get their papers and then they vote, for Trump. [04:35] DaemonFC Obama ended Wet Foot/Dry Foot days before Trump took office. Why? [04:35] DaemonFC 99% of the Cubans who eventually vote in the US vote Republican. [04:36] DaemonFC It's not like Hispanic/Latino voters are Safe Democrat. [04:36] DaemonFC They're unpredictable. [04:36] DaemonFC THey gave us Bush. [04:37] DaemonFC Most of the states out West? Bush did very well. Bush used his 8 years and planted a bunch of Republicans that struck down Rot. [04:37] DaemonFC *Roe [04:37] DaemonFC So you say you want immigrants, until you figure out how they're changing your country and fucking it up in all sorts of non-progressive ways. [04:38] DaemonFC Democrat politicians are welcoming their own demise with open arms. [04:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 13.90 k/sec., IPFS upstream 80.11 average k/sec., average swarm size 113.90 ● Sep 25 [05:00] *swaggboi has quit (Quit: C-x C-c) [05:02] highest_cubist_thrills how gnome works https://yewtu.be/watch?v=WpnM37A4P_8 [05:02] TR Bot South Park - Underpants Gnomes - Invidious [05:06] highest_cubist_thrills HOLY SHIT, WE KILLED YOUR FOUNDER! [05:06] highest_cubist_thrills FSF: yeah yeah yeah, do you guys know anything about corporations? [05:06] highest_cubist_thrills underpants GNOME: of course we do! why? [05:06] highest_cubist_thrills FSF: we need money. [05:07] highest_cubist_thrills underpants GNOME: have you asked microsoft? [05:09] highest_cubist_thrills kyle: look, we gotta know about corporate takeovers or were screwed [05:09] highest_cubist_thrills underpants gnomes: have you heard of GNOME? [05:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [06:32] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [06:32] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [06:35] *highest_cubist_thrills has quit (connection closed) [06:43] *highest_cubist_thrills (~highest_cubist_thri@t87ypdybc3jnw.irc) has joined #techrights [06:44] highest_cubist_thrills the fsf should do more than just "fight for your freedom"-- it should TEACH people how to stand for their rights. this isnt going to be taught in schools. [06:44] highest_cubist_thrills (it wont of course, its a defunct organisation) [06:44] highest_cubist_thrills the system itself has figured out over time how to absorb a great deal of the energy that people put into demanding their rights. [06:45] highest_cubist_thrills ike a politician making a speech during their campaign, then doing precisely the opposite once elected, organisations are very good at tailoring their messages to a particular audience, drawing them in, and then doing fuck-all towards those goals. [06:45] highest_cubist_thrills politics in general have become a lot like a larp event. [06:46] highest_cubist_thrills its all in good fun and everybody feels like something got accomplished, but when all is said and done very little changes-- all those motions we went through put us on track to end up: right back where we started [06:46] highest_cubist_thrills there is a process for turning real organisations into these larp orgs-- there are many more for dressing up larp orgs as real ones. [06:46] highest_cubist_thrills its a bad sign of course, when people you know are against what you stand for start donating more and more to your cause [06:47] highest_cubist_thrills when the damage is done, they will withdraw their support-- it doesnt mean things are (or even will be) fixed. [06:47] highest_cubist_thrills this is about keeping politics in a holding pattern, getting people to spin their wheels on nonsense and diverting people from their own efforts at making the world a better place. [06:48] highest_cubist_thrills the fediverse is a monument to fake progress and cancel culture, having hijacked itself to attack stallman and free software. the fediverse is as much a community of activists as fly paper is a community of flies [06:48] highest_cubist_thrills the mailing lists of the defunct fsf are scarcely better, if not worse. [06:49] highest_cubist_thrills of course these progress-traps are baited with lots of messages and "campaigns" that are progressive and ecumenical on the surface. i was complaining about how fake they were before stallman got cancelled [06:49] highest_cubist_thrills and if they pose a threat to people like stallman, they pose a threat to anyone who wants to make as much of a difference as stallman as well [06:49] highest_cubist_thrills these are things that are based on lies, redirection and fooling people into thinking theyre fighting FOR the things these initiatives actually stand against [06:50] highest_cubist_thrills its a combination of corporate astroturfing, corporate image management and crowdsourcing-- instead of just being fake and selling everyone out, now YOU are invited to HELP them do it [06:51] highest_cubist_thrills stallman at least, realised github was treachery. he warned us about that, we should have listened. now gnu moves towards github and stallman does: well, nothing [06:52] highest_cubist_thrills the real treachery here is that the fsf does nothing, and the GNU MAINTAINERS also do nothing [06:52] highest_cubist_thrills the only way to free the user is to work on both technical and political solutions [06:53] highest_cubist_thrills its not that stallman is infallible, perfect, or above reproach-- its simply that hes a GOOD person who deserves HONEST treatment. he didnt get that, and it was a betrayal of all of us (though certainly him more than anybody else) [06:53] highest_cubist_thrills it was undeniably a betrayal of the movement, and that sort of treachery (still ongoing) cannot be ignored or brushed aside as merely a "bad idea" [06:54] highest_cubist_thrills MOST "progress" is actually fake progress-- it sings you a song that you like to hear, then invites you to work for free and do what they KNOW is best, and they back it all up with lies and bullshit [06:54] highest_cubist_thrills collaboration is essential-- but troublesome. stallman has done more than most of us will ever do-- and even he was hijacked, exiled in place, tortured (on some level, absolutely) and co-opted. [06:55] highest_cubist_thrills some of the old bastions are lost to history. this is especially more true the more bloated and dependency-laden something is [06:55] highest_cubist_thrills unix was more "trivial" to recreate, many people have done so (badly or otherwise) but gnome? hopeless. bloat is just a specific type of planned obsolescence [06:56] highest_cubist_thrills people who oversimplify and hijack issues so they can beat their chests over "progress" that keeps going in circles (for no reason other than it being easier to fake) are keeping people from learning from past mistakes [06:56] highest_cubist_thrills we wont "inch our way forward" against the takeover-- some leaps will be needed, some people will slander positive (political) change because it actually STANDS for something-- when they DONT [06:57] highest_cubist_thrills fake progressives (implying there is such thing as a real one) ultimately side with the same people who betrayed us, and then speak against us for trying to move away from corruption and bullshit [06:57] TR News #Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, September 24, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [06:57] TR Bot Bulletin Archives [06:57] TR News #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [06:57] TR Bot Techrights Full IPFS Index [06:57] highest_cubist_thrills hey are in it for influence alone, and the progress they offer is fabricated, imaginary, and very minor. its (always) going to take more than that, and thats why what they offer is, in reality, basically nothing. you get the appearance of progress, sans most of the costs or the benefit [06:58] highest_cubist_thrills making tiny, imaginary, insignificant changes to the overall plan isnt progress. the people advocating that will lie about what our real plans are, they will say the things we want to do are "too hard" while their own proposals already failed in practice [06:58] highest_cubist_thrills stallman is exiled in place and he will never be back [06:59] highest_cubist_thrills the intent (to which the fsf is a complacent, corrupt and guilty party) behind his permanent exile is no more noble or justifiable (or hopeful) than the capture, torture and ultimately the death of julian assange [06:59] highest_cubist_thrills stallman is undone, and his movement is effectively dead; neutered-- stallmans "child" (his wording) cannot produce viable offspring [06:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.46 k/sec., IPFS upstream 89.03 average k/sec., average swarm size 125.30 [06:59] highest_cubist_thrills this was deliberate and by design ● Sep 25 [07:00] highest_cubist_thrills the free software movement is dead and gone. [07:00] TR News "This truly is a first. This is the first time Ive ever heard about the cops charging someone for obstructing them while theyre trying to go away." https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/09/25/crazy-russian-charged-with-obstruction/ [07:00] TR Bot Crazy Russian charged with obstruction. | BaronHK's Rants [07:00] highest_cubist_thrills it hasnt moved forward in years [07:00] highest_cubist_thrills its time to pull the sheet over its head and stop with the weekend at bernies sequel. open source is nothing but a fake and corporate free software movement, as useful as trying to cook and eat a duck decoy [07:00] highest_cubist_thrills open source is all thats left of what was [07:01] TR News Consumer products makers shift promotions into high gear to retain customers and change buying patters. Many exploit 'Consumer Illiteracy'. | BaronHKs Rants https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/09/25/consumer-products-makers-shift-promotions-into-high-gear-to-retain-customers-and-change-buying-patters-many-exploit-consumer-illiteracy/ Source: DaemonFC (Ryan Farmer) [07:01] TR Bot Consumer products makers shift promotions into high gear to retain customers and change buying patters. Many exploit Consumer Illiteracy. | BaronHK's Rants [07:01] highest_cubist_thrills the only free software movement left is the fake corporate bullshit one [07:01] highest_cubist_thrills dead and gone doesnt mean that free software will never come back [07:01] highest_cubist_thrills just dont wait for stallman or the fsf, because they really wont ever be back [07:02] highest_cubist_thrills i give gnu until 2029, but thats really generous [07:02] highest_cubist_thrills very little of gnu will be salvaged. this is a terrible shame, but a mirror that is not part of any truly free os does not mean the gnu project is alive, it means it is archived-- part of a virtual museum [07:02] highest_cubist_thrills im all for a gnu museum, as in many ways its the most important operating system of all time. the purpose of such a museum? to learn from history [07:03] highest_cubist_thrills in many ways its the most important operating system of all time [07:03] highest_cubist_thrills but if you want the 4 freedoms (including the 5th freedom, the freedom to remove the software) youre probably better off just taking openbsd and cutting out any vestiges of non-free software like hyperbola tries to do [07:03] TR News "To solve this, futex2 will allocate a table per NUMA node and have a NUMA-aware interface to tell the kernel which node to work on" https://andrealmeid.com/post/2022-09-22-lpc22/ | Source: Andr Almeida [07:03] TR Bot futex2 at Linux Plumbers Conference 2022 | tony is coding [07:03] highest_cubist_thrills (maybe they can fix a few things in the process. probably not, due to lack of involvement) [07:03] highest_cubist_thrills you could of course, also try building your own os. i think starting with openbsd is more practical-- why openbsd? its the most forkable (and most free) os there is SO FAR [07:04] TR News "Using your mouse to slide the trombones pitch up or down" https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/09/23/what-is-trombone-champ/ | Source: Digital Music News [07:04] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/09/23/what-is-trombone-champ/ ) [07:04] highest_cubist_thrills its far more forkable (in theory, and in demonstrable practice) than gnu/linux. its NOT that i think its already as free as it should be. its only the closest [07:04] highest_cubist_thrills to me, a free operating system means you have the 4 freedoms and control of your computing [07:04] TR News KDE review https://prose.nsood.in/kde-review | Source: Naman Sood [07:04] TR Bot KDE review Prose [07:04] highest_cubist_thrills systemd/linux on the other hand, is just a blob of an operating system with a blob of a kernel. its not literally a blob because you get the sources. its effectively a blob because for these projects, saying you have freedom 1 and freedom 3 is laughable-- a farce [07:05] highest_cubist_thrills its certainly true on paper. again, i compare it to the united states constitution in the present day. wasnt the bill of rights always true, at least on paper? [07:05] highest_cubist_thrills i mean, those promises are still made. the gpl upholds the 4 freedoms much like the law upholds the rights outlined in the constitution and its amendments [07:05] highest_cubist_thrills and thats going SO well. [07:05] highest_cubist_thrills the gpl upholds the 4 freedoms much like the law upholds the rights outlined in the constitution [07:05] highest_cubist_thrills systemd/linux still puts microsoft and ibm back in control of your computing. here i thought we were trying to get away from monopolies controlling what we do [07:06] highest_cubist_thrills if not, then free software was truly never enough and thats the fucking problem [07:06] highest_cubist_thrills just as likely though, the rewriting (reframing) of the history of the movement by open source (and now the fsf and whats left of the movement itself) has shifted the goalposts [07:06] highest_cubist_thrills you know, when they shift the goalposts... its not USUALLY to bring them back to where they were when we were LESS well off [07:06] highest_cubist_thrills except in a counterrevolution, of course. [07:08] highest_cubist_thrills once the community is taken over by corporate trolls, there is no way to "fix" anything but try to work "with" them. this is as much a recipe for takeover as systemd and replacing gnu programs with rust programs are [07:08] highest_cubist_thrills we took your shit [07:08] TR News Dan Lorenc https://www.wired.com/story/chainguard-wolfi-linux-distribution/ | Source: Wired [07:08] TR Bot New Linux Tool Aims to Guard Against Supply Chain Attacks | WIRED [07:08] highest_cubist_thrills if you want any claim on it [07:08] TR News "Instead, it is a container-focused Linux distribution. So, let me tell you more about it" https://news.itsfoss.com/wolfi-linux-undistro/ | Source: Its FOSS [07:08] TR Bot Wolfi is a Linux Un(distro) Built for Software Supply Chain Security [07:08] highest_cubist_thrills you have to work for, i mean with, us [07:09] highest_cubist_thrills you have to get permission, and keep it-- from the very same people the movement actually helped us escape from. [07:09] highest_cubist_thrills thats a counterrevolution [07:09] TR News "Linux undistribution" https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/09/22/wolfi-linux-undistro-software-supply-chain-security/ | Source: Help Net Security [07:09] TR Bot Wolfi: A Linux undistro with security measures for the software supply chain - Help Net Security [07:09] TR News "These are my FreeBSD machines at the time of writing: [...]" https://rubenerd.com/cartron-asks-what-freebsd-machines-i-use/ | Source: Ruben Schade [07:09] TR Bot Cartron asks what FreeBSD machines I use [07:11] DaemonFC mjg59_, The famous liberal whose former employer is a corrupt adtech/spyware company that helps repressive regimes take political prisoners and execute people. [07:11] DaemonFC He's back on his Shitter again. [07:11] highest_cubist_thrills i fought against systemd because it destabilised the most stable, mainstream, NON-bullshit gnu/linux distro ive ever seen-- i never thought debian would be co-opted and destroyed. this was more political than it was technical [07:12] highest_cubist_thrills and of course its upstream from the fsf. [07:12] highest_cubist_thrills who did nothing. [07:12] highest_cubist_thrills the developers are the most obnoxious dicks with serious entitlement about what runs on my computers that ive dealt with since i stopped using windows [07:12] DaemonFC The FSF is stuffed full of WOKE hippies. You'd think it couldn't get worse AFTER it stopped getting IBM cash to keep its goddamned mouth shut on the issues. [07:13] DaemonFC But amazingly it has. [07:13] highest_cubist_thrills its open source that stresses technical solutions only [07:13] highest_cubist_thrills this way, when corporations want to run the politics of everything, they can work to control what technical solutions are available to you-- and you cant form a retort because THAT WOULD BE POLITICAL! [07:13] TR News Raspberry Pi Spy Reviews the CrowPi L Raspberry Pi Laptop and Learning Platform https://blog.adafruit.com/2022/09/23/raspberry-pi-spy-reviews-the-crowpi-l-raspberry-pi-laptop-and-learning-platform-piday-raspberrypi-raspberry_pi/ | Source: Adafruit [07:13] TR Bot Raspberry Pi Spy Reviews the CrowPi L Raspberry Pi Laptop and Learning Platform #piday #raspberrypi @Raspberry_Pi Adafruit Industries Makers, hackers, artists, designers and engineers! [07:13] highest_cubist_thrills free software never was that stupid. [07:13] highest_cubist_thrills it is now. [07:14] DaemonFC Ironically, open source is winning because people want to get away from politics. [07:14] highest_cubist_thrills I've chosen not to have any preferences among those ethical distros. But I am not in a position to judge them on other criteria... <- stallman [07:14] highest_cubist_thrills so basically, the way you overthrow gnu and the freedom it stands for is to build a bullshit operating system on top of the existing one. AND THAT IS EXACTLY what systemd has done [07:14] DaemonFC You open up Firefox and it's stuffing black "trans" women welding something in your face because reasons. [07:14] highest_cubist_thrills and since its not TECHNICALLY gnu, the gnu people can just chase their tail trying to conform to ibms specifications [07:14] DaemonFC Nobody wants that shit. It's a Web browser. Fuck off. [07:15] DaemonFC It's the equal and opposite of Trump having to "own the libs" all the time. [07:15] highest_cubist_thrills this two-operating-system scam presents itself all over the place: theres an os in your hard drive controller, which you have no control over; theres a second os in your cpu, which most people would have to get someone else to remove for them [07:15] highest_cubist_thrills the raspberry spy has a non-free, microsoft-owned operating system in the gpu. theres even a non-free os in your phone that runs underneath the (practically) non-free os in your phone [07:16] highest_cubist_thrills systemd is a cuckold, quasi-proprietary operating system for your otherwise-free os. but as systemd takes over, gnu becomes a zombie-- not just in terms of what happens at runtime, but the design of the project itself [07:16] highest_cubist_thrills we have spent more than half a decade being roped into working for ibm for free, and the fsf has done: NOTHING [07:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [07:21] highest_cubist_thrills it wont be rot of any sort that brings gnu down, it will be pulled down directly by the corporations who purchased it just like github and red hat. the rot just means they wont have to pull so hard [07:22] highest_cubist_thrills the fsf would never sell off a big ticket item like the gnu project. but they were foolish and/or corrupt enough to pawn it off in individual pieces [07:22] highest_cubist_thrills i dont know what they got for it, but they did have sponsors-- and those sponsors have increasing control of gnu. the details are interesting, but the outcome is whats most relevant here [07:23] highest_cubist_thrills the gnu developers (overall) are not even interested in preventing this. the projects within gnu that get the most support are the same ones that have rigged gnu for destruction (and most likely the ones that forged stallmans personal website resignation) [07:23] highest_cubist_thrills gnu is being dismantled faster than it can rot [07:23] highest_cubist_thrills the pieces will go where they go, and gnu will be reduced from an operating system to applications [07:24] highest_cubist_thrills they will requires infrastructure (hosting as well as software as well as developer communications) that gnu itself has no real control over [07:24] highest_cubist_thrills at this point, the technical failure of gnu to follow its mission should be clear. [07:24] highest_cubist_thrills gnu will be (already is) controlled by the same corporations that gnu was effectively a rebellion from [07:25] highest_cubist_thrills its a misdirection to say that ibm and microsoft werent the same corporations gnu rebelled from [07:25] highest_cubist_thrills it doesnt matter which corporations controlled your computing THEN [07:25] highest_cubist_thrills what matters is that ibm and microsoft control your computing NOW [07:26] highest_cubist_thrills and the same corporations that control your computing, ALSO control the gnu project. [07:26] highest_cubist_thrills gnu [07:26] highest_cubist_thrills does [07:26] highest_cubist_thrills nothing. [07:26] highest_cubist_thrills it doesnt liberate [07:26] highest_cubist_thrills it doesnt give you control of anything [07:26] highest_cubist_thrills because you. do. not. control it. [07:26] highest_cubist_thrills ibm does. [07:26] highest_cubist_thrills microsoft does. [07:26] highest_cubist_thrills just like they control other options. [07:27] highest_cubist_thrills gnu wasnt a farce-- but it is now. [07:27] TR News "The term feeds and speeds refers to the parameters a machinist uses to achieve the ideal tool load." https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/23/a-diy-non-contact-digital-tachometer-for-machinists/ | Source: Arduino [07:27] *oarion7 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [07:27] TR Bot A DIY non-contact digital tachometer for machinists | Arduino Blog [07:27] TR News "While Thelio has a Denver face, where it shines is its Port-Land booty" https://dominickm.com/thelio-2022-redesign-review/ | [07:27] TR Bot 2022 Redesign Review - dominickm.com [07:27] highest_cubist_thrills modern computing is owned primarily by the same people that are working to dismantle and ultimately own gnu [07:27] highest_cubist_thrills so what does gnu liberate the user from? [07:27] highest_cubist_thrills it doesnt liberate them from anything. [07:28] highest_cubist_thrills it frees you from corporations that control your computing... [07:28] highest_cubist_thrills and then hands you over to corporations that control your computing. [07:28] highest_cubist_thrills thats fake progress. [07:29] highest_cubist_thrills what the fsf (a defunct organisation) will ultimately do with gnu will be no different than what debian has done to itself or what the owners of linux have done to the kernel [07:29] highest_cubist_thrills this is a pattern. [07:29] highest_cubist_thrills its an anti-pattern; anti-patterns are patterns too. [07:29] highest_cubist_thrills gnu will follow the same pattern of destruction. [07:29] highest_cubist_thrills debian is gone. stallman is gone. [07:29] highest_cubist_thrills the fsf is gone. gnu is as good as gone. [07:30] highest_cubist_thrills nothing is protecting it. [07:30] highest_cubist_thrills lots of things are taking it apart. [07:30] highest_cubist_thrills the only thing holding it together is mythology [07:30] highest_cubist_thrills marketing. [07:30] highest_cubist_thrills bullshit. [07:30] highest_cubist_thrills gnu is not just dead-- it will be continually robbed for parts. [07:31] highest_cubist_thrills when the corporations that control your computering have robbed gnu of all the parts they need [07:31] highest_cubist_thrills it will be tossed aside and forgotten. [07:31] highest_cubist_thrills computering <- :) [07:31] highest_cubist_thrills typos dont matter, everything is bullshit. [07:32] highest_cubist_thrills you cant rob what belongs to everybody, obviously [07:32] highest_cubist_thrills but of course you can. what else do you call the privatisation of the public sector? [07:32] highest_cubist_thrills corporations have been robbing the public domain for decades at a minimum. the way you rob the public is by taking what everyone has and putting it under the control of a few who keep the public out [07:32] highest_cubist_thrills private gatekeepers, public theft. [07:32] highest_cubist_thrills not only is that the penchant of monopolies and the endgame of open source, it is the modus operandi of the tax-free software foundation: [07:33] highest_cubist_thrills to turn free labour into products that are controlled by monopolies, who put relatively nothing financial into their development [07:33] highest_cubist_thrills open source is a bait-and-switch scam. and this is what they scored from their mark: gnu itself [07:33] highest_cubist_thrills by the time this operation is complete, gnu will not be gnu anymore [07:34] highest_cubist_thrills the fsf (defunct) will not run it-- the gnu developers will be more like unpaid employees, [07:34] highest_cubist_thrills ultimately the present fate of red hat will be the fate of gnu itself [07:34] highest_cubist_thrills it was always the plan, but almost certainly NOT for the fsf, at the time [07:34] highest_cubist_thrills some gnu developers will hold on, but you will see a shakeup in gnu the way that debian has had shakeups since 2014. [07:35] highest_cubist_thrills you will see a shakeup in gnu the way that debian has had shakeups since 2014. [07:35] highest_cubist_thrills the latter has only grown more corporate. gnu has done and will continue to do the same [07:35] highest_cubist_thrills neither project stands for anything anymore, least of all the freedom for users to control their computing [07:35] highest_cubist_thrills the avalanche has already started. [07:35] highest_cubist_thrills its at the top, while people further down are standing around saying "do you hear that?" [07:36] highest_cubist_thrills instead of running for your life, youll more likely only be fleeing to look for whats left of computing freedom. [07:36] highest_cubist_thrills but who are we kidding [07:36] highest_cubist_thrills its already like that. and it has been for years. [07:36] *highest_cubist_thrills has quit (connection closed) [07:41] *vallor (~Ponzo@freenode-pbi.6r7.6bqj79.IP) has joined #techrights [07:53] TR News YouTube (Alphabet Gulag) Keeps Censoring Videos About Free Software and GNU/Linux | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/25/google-censoring-linux/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/25/google-censoring-linux/ [07:53] TR Bot YouTube (Alphabet Gulag) Keeps Censoring Videos About Free Software and GNU/Linux | Techrights [07:58] *highest_cubist_thrills (~highest_cubist_thri@xnx8ukn8n83xe.irc) has joined #techrights [07:59] highest_cubist_thrills also, because techrights buried the chapter of the coup about gnu.fools [07:59] highest_cubist_thrills you havent heard much about it [07:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 15.75 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.08 average k/sec., average swarm size 120.41 [07:59] highest_cubist_thrills https://gnu.tools/en/thanks/ [07:59] TR Bot The GNU Assembly Thanks [07:59] highest_cubist_thrills Carlos O'Donell for maintaining and paying for the gnu.tools DNS. [07:59] highest_cubist_thrills Andy Wingo for maintaining and paying for the current gnu.tools server. ● Sep 25 [08:00] highest_cubist_thrills this one is the most interesting: [08:00] highest_cubist_thrills Oregon State University Open Source Lab OSUOSL for providing various virtual machines to run the GNU Assembly services. [08:00] highest_cubist_thrills has techrights ever talked about the role Oregon State University Open Source Lab played in the coup? [08:00] highest_cubist_thrills no? [08:00] schestowitz[TR] wait [08:00] highest_cubist_thrills how ridiculous. [08:00] schestowitz[TR] this is new to me [08:00] highest_cubist_thrills yeah its new because you ignored it [08:00] schestowitz[TR] oregon played a role? [08:01] schestowitz[TR] no [08:01] highest_cubist_thrills https://gnu.tools/en/thanks/ read [08:01] schestowitz[TR] i didn't know [08:01] highest_cubist_thrills you didnt bother. [08:01] schestowitz[TR] in fact, i keep complaining that LF moved Linux from orgeon to SF/CA [08:01] highest_cubist_thrills you pooh-poohed this whole angle [08:01] mjg59_ Oregon State University is not Oregon the State [08:01] schestowitz[TR] who ever mentioned this? [08:01] highest_cubist_thrills Oregon State University is not Oregon the State <- holy shit man [08:01] schestowitz[TR] is there aanything else? [08:01] schestowitz[TR] or just that? [08:01] highest_cubist_thrills THATS BRILLIANT. [08:02] schestowitz[TR] a lot of linux services are still oregon-based [08:02] mjg59_ Yeah but Roy seems confused [08:02] schestowitz[TR] better than LF [08:02] highest_cubist_thrills roy is a markov chain bot [08:02] schestowitz[TR] no [08:02] schestowitz[TR] i am not confuses [08:02] schestowitz[TR] I shorten to oregon [08:02] schestowitz[TR] I mean the university [08:02] mjg59_ 08:01 < schestowitz[TR]> in fact, i keep complaining that LF moved Linux from orgeon to SF/CA [08:02] highest_cubist_thrills /me typed in eliza.bas in the 80s or 90s [08:02] schestowitz[TR] yes, oregon the uni [08:02] mjg59_ Oh you're just talking about kernel.org [08:03] schestowitz[TR] it was involved since the 90s [08:03] mjg59_ Ok that makes sense [08:03] schestowitz[TR] even somke of red hat and fedoa infra was there [08:03] highest_cubist_thrills We, maintainers and contributors of well-known free software projects, are making this place our new home, fighting for the freedom of computer users and hacking the good hack. [08:03] highest_cubist_thrills lying the good lies! [08:03] highest_cubist_thrills https://gnu.tools/ [08:03] TR Bot The GNU Assembly The GNU Assembly [08:04] schestowitz[TR] the smiley started there too... the :-) simpley [08:04] highest_cubist_thrills Governance, Not Unilateralism This new home is governed by those who build it following common goals and sharing the same values. <- thats a laugh [08:04] schestowitz[TR] iirc [08:04] highest_cubist_thrills they split, but theyre about sharing goals and values. [08:04] schestowitz[TR] anyway, I'm in the middle of writing [08:04] schestowitz[TR] if there's more to it than the hosting of gnu.tools tell me [08:04] schestowitz[TR] but they do lots of hosting [08:04] schestowitz[TR] for many things [08:04] schestowitz[TR] like fosshost does [08:04] schestowitz[TR] biab [08:04] highest_cubist_thrills right youre missing my point as usual [08:04] highest_cubist_thrills you dont even look into these things. [08:05] highest_cubist_thrills this is a whole chapter you just ignore [08:05] highest_cubist_thrills its not about the individual points-- those are interesting too [08:05] highest_cubist_thrills its about the whole chapter thats being ignored. and not looked into. and you say nothing about it. [08:05] highest_cubist_thrills and i know why, because you said why [08:05] highest_cubist_thrills you pooh pooh the whole thing. you said it failed [08:06] highest_cubist_thrills have they relented? why are the still wasting resources on hosting? [08:06] highest_cubist_thrills i know why. [08:06] highest_cubist_thrills because the coup never ended. [08:06] highest_cubist_thrills and pretending it failed accompishes nothing. [08:06] highest_cubist_thrills and saying it failed one day [08:06] highest_cubist_thrills then its still going [08:06] highest_cubist_thrills then its dying [08:06] highest_cubist_thrills then ibm and microsoft are dying [08:06] highest_cubist_thrills then twitter and the webt [08:06] highest_cubist_thrills but its just moving the point around and ignoring the big picture. [08:07] highest_cubist_thrills its just a treadmill of noise. [08:07] highest_cubist_thrills no direction. no progress. no perspective. [08:07] highest_cubist_thrills no point. [08:08] highest_cubist_thrills of course youll never understand this, i dont say this to help you understand. [08:08] highest_cubist_thrills unlike mjg i know youre not reachable by any means. [08:08] highest_cubist_thrills he thinks he can get through to you. if he just-- the perfect fact... [08:08] highest_cubist_thrills the perfect question [08:08] highest_cubist_thrills the perfect gotcha. [08:08] mjg59_ I try to be optimistic about humanity [08:09] highest_cubist_thrills but you cant get the better of a markov chain bot [08:09] highest_cubist_thrills it just continues along its merry way [08:09] highest_cubist_thrills mjg is living the halting problem in human relations. [08:09] mjg59_ I will continue fighting Eliza until Eliza admits I am a well-balanced individual [08:09] highest_cubist_thrills its impossible to tell if roys nonsense will ever halt, and turing already proved that [08:10] highest_cubist_thrills I will continue fighting Eliza <- everyone needs a hobby [08:10] highest_cubist_thrills until Eliza admits I am a well-balanced individual <- are you? [08:10] mjg59_ Oh right that's my confusion - I thought Roy was talking about LF itself moving from Oregon to SF, but LF was always SF-based - it was OSDL that was in Oregon [08:10] mjg59_ Is anyone really a well-balanced individual? [08:10] highest_cubist_thrills LF was always SF-based - it was OSD <- this ambiguity on wikipedia and the osdl and lf pages [08:11] highest_cubist_thrills is something ive mocked thoroughly in here [08:11] highest_cubist_thrills its impossible to nail down when or where lf was founded [08:11] highest_cubist_thrills because theres no official stance on whether it started with osdl or lf itself. [08:11] schestowitz[TR] I did not say that [08:11] schestowitz[TR] stop distorting thing [08:11] highest_cubist_thrills which is not really a paradox-- its just handwavey corporate bullshit (imo) [08:11] schestowitz[TR] *things [08:11] schestowitz[TR] LT is based in Portland [08:11] highest_cubist_thrills I did not say that <- doesnt matter, they did. [08:11] schestowitz[TR] or near portland [08:11] schestowitz[TR] and a lot of Linux hosting was always tghere [08:11] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: Uh yes that's why I said "I thought" [08:12] schestowitz[TR] even OSDL IIRC [08:12] schestowitz[TR] OSU [08:12] mjg59_ I was attempting to communicate that I'd misinterpreted you and explaining why [08:12] schestowitz[TR] LF is just some charlatans and frauds [08:12] schestowitz[TR] who look for the most expensive places to rent [08:12] schestowitz[TR] when i said oregon i was abbreviating [08:12] schestowitz[TR] my sister lives there [08:12] highest_cubist_thrills when i said oregon i was abbreviating <- i would have done the same [08:12] highest_cubist_thrills i MAY have done the same [08:13] highest_cubist_thrills its common enough as a convention to refer to a university (in a casual context where its full name has been used) [08:13] highest_cubist_thrills by the first word or location from the name [08:13] schestowitz[TR] no eliza bot [08:13] schestowitz[TR] just in the middle os typing [08:13] mjg59_ Anyone in Portland's going to say OSU to distinguish it from PSU [08:13] schestowitz[TR] I was literally passing a reference number from one pc to another [08:13] schestowitz[TR] and forgot where I was [08:13] highest_cubist_thrills no eliza bot <- thats a broader diagnosis independent of this conversation. [08:14] schestowitz[TR] irc is informal anyway [08:14] schestowitz[TR] the irc bot is a little more polished [08:14] highest_cubist_thrills Anyone in Portland's going to <- fair enouguh but most people on earth live outside portland [08:14] highest_cubist_thrills which is relevant here [08:15] highest_cubist_thrills i mean they may have terms for each other based on which half of the campus theyre on [08:15] highest_cubist_thrills but how that demonstrates its relevance to the rest of the world is a matter yet to be determined [08:16] highest_cubist_thrills the point remains that techrights has always pooh poohed an entire chapter of the coup [08:17] highest_cubist_thrills and as a result done next to zero research on it [08:17] highest_cubist_thrills and relatively speaking, zero reporting. [08:17] highest_cubist_thrills i think its very interesting that osu and their "open source" lab is in control of much of the gnu project [08:17] highest_cubist_thrills i would expect roy to find that interesting [08:18] highest_cubist_thrills unfortunately, to even know that, you have to not dismiss that entire chapter of the story. [08:18] highest_cubist_thrills oops? [08:18] highest_cubist_thrills and its certainly not roys responsibility to push me to notice these things. [08:19] highest_cubist_thrills but, if techrights covered any of this chapter [08:19] highest_cubist_thrills i would have stayed on top of it more too [08:19] highest_cubist_thrills im the one who noticed this, it would be a natural consequence that i would have done so sooner. [08:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [08:20] highest_cubist_thrills since free software is dead and open source has taken over so corporations can control our computing [08:20] highest_cubist_thrills i think its at least relevant that osu is participating in this sham. [08:21] highest_cubist_thrills their degree of responsibility is not what interests me immediately [08:21] highest_cubist_thrills how tf would anyone know that? [08:21] highest_cubist_thrills what interests me is their open source lab is so void of ethics [08:21] highest_cubist_thrills that they would assist in this blatant trademark fraud-- lying to and misleading the public. [08:21] highest_cubist_thrills but hahaha [08:21] highest_cubist_thrills its not trademark fraud if no one sues you, right? [08:21] highest_cubist_thrills so... [08:21] highest_cubist_thrills what theyre doing is [08:22] highest_cubist_thrills seeing to it that gnu enters the public domain [08:22] highest_cubist_thrills its being defrauded. fsf isnt challenging it. [08:22] highest_cubist_thrills osi suffered the same fate [08:22] highest_cubist_thrills techrights reported on osi losing its trademark status [08:22] highest_cubist_thrills but as the same thing happens to gnu-- NO STORY! [08:23] highest_cubist_thrills no defense-- no trademark. its not like copyright or patents as stallman is fond of pointing out [08:23] highest_cubist_thrills you can call anything gnu now [08:23] highest_cubist_thrills see if they stop you [08:23] highest_cubist_thrills fsfe-- similar problem [08:23] highest_cubist_thrills fsf used to care [08:23] highest_cubist_thrills now they dont [08:23] mjg59_ I don't think there's been any OSI trademark dispute since 1998? [08:23] highest_cubist_thrills you can call anything the free software foundation [08:24] *ciphrCat has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:24] highest_cubist_thrills I don't think there's been any OSI trademark dispute since 1998 <- there cant be [08:24] highest_cubist_thrills open source fell into the public domain [08:24] mjg59_ OSI still holds trademarks, but they never actually attempted to claim "Open Source" [08:24] mjg59_ Bruce Perens just fucked that up [08:24] highest_cubist_thrills they cried about it but they didnt gnash and wail their teeth because it wouldnt change the past. [08:24] highest_cubist_thrills Bruce Perens just fucked that up <- and now the fsf does. [08:24] highest_cubist_thrills so does gnu. [08:25] *cybrNaut has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [08:25] mjg59_ But in any case, if you're worried about dilution of GNU, gnuplot has been around since 1986 [08:25] highest_cubist_thrills wail and gnash their teeth rather [08:25] highest_cubist_thrills if you're worried about dilution of GNU <- im not worried. its too late to change the past. [08:25] highest_cubist_thrills gnuplot has been around since 1986 <- yes this came up before [08:25] highest_cubist_thrills its not about concern [08:26] highest_cubist_thrills when people are strapped in in the death chamber, they might be frightened [08:26] *ciphrCat (~ciphrCat@v75kd7krrqfvs.irc) has joined #techrights [08:26] highest_cubist_thrills but they know theres nothing left to be done [08:26] highest_cubist_thrills gnu will not be saved [08:27] highest_cubist_thrills im simply interested in how it will die [08:27] highest_cubist_thrills it exists in a number of ways [08:27] highest_cubist_thrills trademark is one of the ways in which it exists [08:27] highest_cubist_thrills trademark is one of the ways in which it will die [08:28] highest_cubist_thrills trademarks that are undefended pass into the public domain [08:28] highest_cubist_thrills gnu is already headed there-- the same fate as open source, which now pretty much means microsoft [08:28] highest_cubist_thrills the press is already being handed their pencils and pads and having their phones taken. [08:29] highest_cubist_thrills but they wont write about it [08:29] highest_cubist_thrills they dont even need the pencils and pads [08:29] highest_cubist_thrills they can just make up the news [08:29] highest_cubist_thrills its all marketing now anyway [08:30] highest_cubist_thrills there are even more important ways in which gnu is a dead project walking [08:31] highest_cubist_thrills those are also ignored [08:31] highest_cubist_thrills techrights has a history of ignoring the systemd takeover [08:31] highest_cubist_thrills hes been warned since 2011 [08:31] highest_cubist_thrills if he had taken interest instead of pooh poohing it, if he had looked into it properly and written honestly [08:32] highest_cubist_thrills then techrights readers wouldnt have been surprised by what happened to debian in 2014-2015 [08:32] highest_cubist_thrills instead, it came as a surprise. point being. [08:32] highest_cubist_thrills when gnu is declared dead [08:32] highest_cubist_thrills it will come as a surprise to those who werent told [08:32] highest_cubist_thrills or who ignored most of it as it happened [08:33] highest_cubist_thrills it will be less of a surprise to those who have been talking about it for years. [08:33] highest_cubist_thrills at least the ones who are interested in facts and context [08:33] highest_cubist_thrills and obviously the coup doesnt consider themselves death [08:33] highest_cubist_thrills they mistake themselves for life [08:34] highest_cubist_thrills but death does not care about you or me [08:34] highest_cubist_thrills and if they kill gnu through their hubris [08:34] highest_cubist_thrills they will just whistle a happy tune and go kill something else instead [08:34] TR News (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Android_Leftovers.gmi [08:34] TR Bot Tux Machines Android Leftovers [08:35] *cybrNaut (~cybrNaut@freenode-tto.k1n.ssv8hv.IP) has joined #techrights [08:36] highest_cubist_thrills "We contribute to projects that go back to the roots of free software. " [08:36] highest_cubist_thrills yeah. a lot of you work for ibm and help them hijack gcc and gdb. [08:36] highest_cubist_thrills so thats true. [08:36] highest_cubist_thrills theyre attacking gnu at the very roots. [08:36] highest_cubist_thrills a great way for it to die. [08:37] highest_cubist_thrills Our interactions in this project are subject to its code of conduct. <- this was foisted on the gnu project when stallman was fraudulently shown to have resigned [08:37] highest_cubist_thrills the coup is based o lies to the public. [08:37] highest_cubist_thrills lies about stallman. [08:37] highest_cubist_thrills lies about gnu governance. [08:37] highest_cubist_thrills lies about freedom. [08:37] highest_cubist_thrills and handing gnu over to corporations. [08:38] highest_cubist_thrills in other words, its open source. [08:38] highest_cubist_thrills this is the same thing osi did [08:38] highest_cubist_thrills osi doesnt have to anymore [08:38] highest_cubist_thrills osi was a big (Circus) tent outside the fsf for ages [08:38] highest_cubist_thrills now theyve moved in [08:38] highest_cubist_thrills microsoft moved into osi [08:38] highest_cubist_thrills then osi moved into the fsf [08:38] highest_cubist_thrills ms-fsf. hooray for fake progress. [08:39] highest_cubist_thrills ibm, ms, doesnt matter [08:39] highest_cubist_thrills theyve always been the same company. [08:39] highest_cubist_thrills except when microsoft didnt exist [08:39] highest_cubist_thrills dos: that was ibm. without ibm, it wasnt even microsoft. [08:39] highest_cubist_thrills ibm offered basic on a rom cart. [08:39] highest_cubist_thrills they didnt write it. [08:39] highest_cubist_thrills that was microsoft [08:40] highest_cubist_thrills microsoft is just an avatar of ibm [08:40] TR News Microsoft is Trying to Eliminate POP3 and IMAP for E-mail (Attack on Commodity or Standard Protocols) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/25/microsoft-vs-pop-and-imap/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/25/microsoft-vs-pop-and-imap/ [08:40] highest_cubist_thrills like one of the many avatars of krishna [08:40] TR Bot Microsoft is Trying to Eliminate POP3 and IMAP for E-mail (Attack on Commodity or Standard Protocols) | Techrights [08:40] highest_cubist_thrills ibm engineered the holocaust [08:40] highest_cubist_thrills the fsf is dead and controlled by actual nazis [08:40] highest_cubist_thrills hooray for sjws. [08:41] highest_cubist_thrills its funny how when you zero in on the tiniest fucking details, as if nothing else matters... [08:41] highest_cubist_thrills everything else falls apart. [08:42] highest_cubist_thrills so we shouldnt be surprised that everything is destroyed [08:42] highest_cubist_thrills after all [08:42] highest_cubist_thrills everyone stopped giving a shit about everythign but the smallest little shit. [08:42] highest_cubist_thrills and all decisions were based on things that were fucking made up. [08:42] highest_cubist_thrills fiction is doing BEAUTIFULLY well [08:42] highest_cubist_thrills so is ibm [08:43] highest_cubist_thrills but reality is sucking pretty fucking hard. [08:43] highest_cubist_thrills everyone has their priorities, i guess. [08:43] highest_cubist_thrills except free software, which no longer exists. [08:44] highest_cubist_thrills "post stallman free software" the article read [08:44] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:44] highest_cubist_thrills nope. [08:44] highest_cubist_thrills ANTI-stallman free software. [08:44] highest_cubist_thrills like anti-einstein relativity [08:44] highest_cubist_thrills they didnt cancel stallman [08:44] highest_cubist_thrills they destroyed the fsf. [08:44] highest_cubist_thrills they destroyed gnu. [08:44] highest_cubist_thrills they killed free software. [08:45] highest_cubist_thrills when iraq was invaded, they promised it would be quick [08:45] highest_cubist_thrills saddam would fall [08:45] highest_cubist_thrills iraq would improve [08:45] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techrights [08:45] highest_cubist_thrills the critics said: [08:45] highest_cubist_thrills it will be drawn out for years --- they were laughed at [08:45] highest_cubist_thrills i was one of them [08:45] highest_cubist_thrills they said: saddams fall would create a power vacuum-- they were laughed at [08:45] highest_cubist_thrills i was one of them [08:46] highest_cubist_thrills they said iraq will get worse [08:46] highest_cubist_thrills thats what happened [08:46] highest_cubist_thrills it was drawn out for years. [08:46] highest_cubist_thrills saddams fall created a power vacuum. [08:46] highest_cubist_thrills things have only gotten worse. [08:46] highest_cubist_thrills what happened to the fsf and what happened to iraq-- [08:46] highest_cubist_thrills they were predictable [08:46] highest_cubist_thrills they were predicted. [08:47] highest_cubist_thrills they worked out similarly [08:47] highest_cubist_thrills iraq is even worse now [08:47] DaemonFC I try to be optimistic about humanity [08:47] highest_cubist_thrills the fsf is even worse now [08:47] highest_cubist_thrills the whole thing was based on lies. [08:47] highest_cubist_thrills it was incredibly savage [08:47] highest_cubist_thrills the fsf censored supporters [08:47] DaemonFC That's nice. Arsonists, dog fuckers, mother fuckers, father fuckers, kiddie fuckers, murderers, looters, muggers...... [08:47] highest_cubist_thrills the usa government censored-- even fired on journalists. [08:47] DaemonFC And you have faith in humanity. [08:47] highest_cubist_thrills tanks fired at a hotel with journalists in it. [08:47] DaemonFC Cool beans, bro! [08:47] DaemonFC Tell it walking. [08:47] highest_cubist_thrills why? [08:48] highest_cubist_thrills this is just imperialism [08:48] highest_cubist_thrills imperialists can use people-- suckers-- patsies-- [08:48] highest_cubist_thrills people who think theyre fighting the good fight [08:48] highest_cubist_thrills that dont know (or dont care) what theyre destroying [08:48] highest_cubist_thrills what theyre doing [08:48] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:48] TR News You move sixteen tons, and what do you get? Another inch over and deeper in exhaustion gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/09/24.1 [08:48] highest_cubist_thrills same thing happened in iraq and the fsf [08:49] highest_cubist_thrills imperial takeover [08:49] highest_cubist_thrills lies [08:49] highest_cubist_thrills bullshit [08:49] highest_cubist_thrills predictable, needless destruction [08:49] highest_cubist_thrills the corporations will cry all the way to the bank [08:49] highest_cubist_thrills ibm can keep building their empire unmitigated by any free software movement [08:49] highest_cubist_thrills they can exploit gcc as much as they want [08:50] highest_cubist_thrills for them, not for us [08:50] DaemonFC mjg59_, The best thing about humans is what kills the good guys kills the bad guys. [08:50] highest_cubist_thrills gnu can fall apart. [08:50] highest_cubist_thrills it will. [08:50] DaemonFC So saddle up. Lock and load! [08:50] highest_cubist_thrills ibm doesnt care [08:50] highest_cubist_thrills microsoft IS ibm. [08:50] highest_cubist_thrills the free software movement was destroyed by imperialist nazis [08:50] highest_cubist_thrills " We, maintainers and contributors of well-known free software projects, are making this place our new home, fighting for the freedom of computer users and hacking the good hack." [08:50] highest_cubist_thrills yeah, [08:50] highest_cubist_thrills support the troops! [08:51] DaemonFC There's no hope for humans. [08:51] schestowitz[TR] I try to be optimistic about humanity [08:51] highest_cubist_thrills its all bullshit. [08:51] schestowitz[TR] then stop harassing it [08:51] DaemonFC mjg59_ calls this world progress. 70 years ago, a serial killer anywhere in America was front page news. [08:51] highest_cubist_thrills then stop harassing it <- i dont know who youre addressing or what you mean [08:51] schestowitz[TR] fight crime, not people who fight against crime [08:52] schestowitz[TR] highest_cubist_thrills: bad timing [08:52] highest_cubist_thrills doesnt matter [08:52] schestowitz[TR] due to overlapping voices [08:52] highest_cubist_thrills alas, irc [08:52] schestowitz[TR] :D [08:52] schestowitz[TR] brb [08:52] schestowitz[TR] readjusting here [08:52] schestowitz[TR] trying a new method of making more videos per day, 3-5 [08:53] schestowitz[TR] irc is lovely though [08:53] highest_cubist_thrills fsvo lovely [08:53] schestowitz[TR] it's just that I totally lost my train of thought earlier while writing an article [08:53] DaemonFC Now there's poverty, crime, corruption. All kinds of insanity breaking out. People are really fucking dumb and it's all around you. And mjg59_ is glad because at least nobody cares about a man with a fake cooch anymore. [08:53] schestowitz[TR] irc is for all ages.. of PCs [08:53] highest_cubist_thrills better than dicksword [08:53] schestowitz[TR] Mark ( cubexyz ) still uses PCs from the 1990s [08:54] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2022/08/24/techrights-backward-compatible/ [08:54] TR Bot Techrights Compatible With Computers From 30+ Years Ago | Techrights [08:54] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], I saw some Mormons at Taco Bell earlier. It was nice to see some respectful young men wearing suits and not tatted up for a change. [08:54] DaemonFC They have their work cut out for them in Waukegan. [08:54] schestowitz[TR] mormons are not the worst [08:54] schestowitz[TR] they are well educated [08:54] schestowitz[TR] they score highly in the usa [08:54] schestowitz[TR] exams, sats, etc. [08:55] schestowitz[TR] maybe mormonsss worked at novell [08:55] highest_cubist_thrills they invented javascript [08:55] schestowitz[TR] it's a mormon company [08:55] schestowitz[TR] i think noorda too was a mormon [08:55] schestowitz[TR] ah, yyyou said eich was mormon iirc [08:55] schestowitz[TR] which I did not know [08:55] highest_cubist_thrills he is mormon [08:55] highest_cubist_thrills thats how he got himself cancelled [08:55] schestowitz[TR] eich seems to fancy techrights on some issues [08:55] schestowitz[TR] which is not a badge of hoinnour [08:55] schestowitz[TR] but it was related to tech rights, not politics [08:55] DaemonFC The Mormon church is backpeddling on their anti-LGBT stance quite a bit. [08:56] DaemonFC Takes time for things to change. [08:56] schestowitz[TR] and black priests [08:56] schestowitz[TR] like I said, mormoms are not the worst [08:56] schestowitz[TR] I refused to bash novell over it [08:56] schestowitz[TR] mormons are not the worst [08:56] highest_cubist_thrills yeah for years they woudlnt allow blacks to become priests [08:56] schestowitz[TR] they make good families [08:56] schestowitz[TR] maybe too large [08:56] highest_cubist_thrills they said black skin was a curse from god [08:56] schestowitz[TR] and educate them well; [08:56] DaemonFC Well, at least mjg59_ won't reproduce. [08:56] schestowitz[TR] aaamish are also not too bad [08:57] schestowitz[TR] need to restart barrier [08:57] schestowitz[TR] typing issues [08:57] highest_cubist_thrills amish are a mixed bag [08:57] DaemonFC He's not with a "people who get pregnant". [08:57] highest_cubist_thrills they act like a cult [08:57] highest_cubist_thrills they use some cult practices [08:57] highest_cubist_thrills but hey, so do the fsf. [08:57] highest_cubist_thrills the new one [08:58] DaemonFC Hmm, I wonder if there's anything I can use to doctor up that cabbage casserole with tomorrow. [08:58] DaemonFC It wasn't bad, it just needed something. [08:59] highest_cubist_thrills i defend, in a very general way [08:59] highest_cubist_thrills both religious beliefs, and religious practices [08:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.85 k/sec., IPFS upstream 59.41 average k/sec., average swarm size 122.88 [08:59] highest_cubist_thrills across most or perhaps all of the religious spectrum [08:59] highest_cubist_thrills with caveats [08:59] DaemonFC I might add some italian seasoning to it next time. [08:59] highest_cubist_thrills religions are used to control people ● Sep 25 [09:00] DaemonFC Or mix some in and nuke the leftovers. [09:00] schestowitz[TR] Well, at least mjg59_ won't reproduce. [09:00] highest_cubist_thrills im against most of that control [09:00] schestowitz[TR] but needs 6-figure salaries lol [09:00] highest_cubist_thrills some people will say any belief is control [09:00] schestowitz[TR] to pay lawyers to terrify my wife [09:00] schestowitz[TR] through the post [09:00] highest_cubist_thrills so the atheism becomes law-- like that isnt control [09:01] DaemonFC mjg59_ will have a legacy. One day he'll die and he'll have made the world no better. And he won't have even produced an heir to leave anything to. [09:01] highest_cubist_thrills just let people have their beliefs [09:01] DaemonFC That's why he hates Stallman so much. [09:01] DaemonFC Stallman has a legacy and will be remembered well. [09:01] highest_cubist_thrills then if they torture each other, or do other horrible things-- go after those things [09:01] DaemonFC mjg59_ not so much. [09:01] highest_cubist_thrills not the "silly" beliefs they have, which dont matter [09:02] highest_cubist_thrills reason being, everyone has silly beliefs [09:02] highest_cubist_thrills some are religious, some arent [09:02] highest_cubist_thrills what really matters is what people do with those beliefs [09:02] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], You can pay a lawyer to do anything. They'll take your money and then laugh at you when you leave their office. [09:02] highest_cubist_thrills amish shun-- this is collective torture [09:02] DaemonFC Like MARISOL. [09:02] highest_cubist_thrills mormons do the same [09:03] highest_cubist_thrills mormons push incredible homophobia, but so did society in general just a few decades ago [09:03] highest_cubist_thrills (it doesnt as much as it used to) [09:03] highest_cubist_thrills the homophobia is a real problem [09:03] highest_cubist_thrills beheading mozilla didnt really change that [09:04] highest_cubist_thrills mormons should be criticised for the homophobia [09:04] highest_cubist_thrills corporations discriminating against religions give them more power than i think we went them to have [09:05] highest_cubist_thrills if eich acted homophobic at work thats a workplace problem [09:05] TR News IRC Proceedings: Saturday, September 24, 2022 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/25/irc-log-240922/ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/25/irc-log-240922/ [09:05] TR Bot IRC Proceedings: Saturday, September 24, 2022 | Techrights [09:05] highest_cubist_thrills if he funded an organisation that was homophobic, i mean [09:05] highest_cubist_thrills mormons tithe 10% of their income [09:05] highest_cubist_thrills the lds church is literally a corporation [09:05] highest_cubist_thrills i think its a tax free corporation [09:06] TR News "KaTeX is a web-based mathematics typesetting library, similar to the erstwhile untouchable MathJax." https://yingtongli.me/blog/2022/09/24/katex-custom-fonts.html | Source: Lee Yingtong Li [09:06] TR Bot Custom fonts in KaTeX [09:06] highest_cubist_thrills so the amount that eich gave to some stupid group is NOTHING compared to what he gives the church [09:06] TR News "Time for another Alpha release for the upcoming Version 20 "Nexus" release of Kodi" https://kodi.tv/article/kodi-nexus-alpha-3/ | [09:06] TR Bot Kodi "Nexus" Alpha 3 | News | Kodi [09:06] DaemonFC GNU Icecat got updated to 102.3 in Fedora. [09:06] highest_cubist_thrills the church itself is a homophobic organisation [09:06] highest_cubist_thrills but [09:06] highest_cubist_thrills do you want corporations firing people based on what church they go to [09:06] highest_cubist_thrills that would be a horrible precident [09:06] highest_cubist_thrills no, so we go after the MUCH smaller donation to the MUCH smaller organisation [09:07] highest_cubist_thrills what. bullshit. [09:07] highest_cubist_thrills it was just an excuse to put a fraud in charge [09:07] highest_cubist_thrills and kick out the only person that gave a shit about mozilla and its users. [09:07] highest_cubist_thrills same thing happened at the fsf. [09:07] highest_cubist_thrills only this time it wasnt even about the actual person [09:07] highest_cubist_thrills it was about the made up version of that person. [09:08] highest_cubist_thrills made up stallman is a bad bad bad man [09:08] highest_cubist_thrills lets get him [09:08] highest_cubist_thrills hey, theres he is! [09:08] highest_cubist_thrills wait, thats actual stallman, not the one you made u-- [09:08] highest_cubist_thrills who cares! seize him! [09:08] highest_cubist_thrills oh well [09:08] highest_cubist_thrills fsf will die like mozilla did. [09:09] highest_cubist_thrills fsf is run by its treasurer [09:09] highest_cubist_thrills mozilla is also run by its treasurer [09:09] highest_cubist_thrills i mean [09:09] highest_cubist_thrills shes gets all the money [09:09] highest_cubist_thrills doesnt that make her the de facto treasurer [09:09] highest_cubist_thrills these organsiations arent about their causes anymore [09:09] highest_cubist_thrills theyre only about money [09:09] highest_cubist_thrills it makes perfect sense to put the treasurer at the heml [09:09] highest_cubist_thrills helm-- theyre the only person the entire org [09:10] highest_cubist_thrills actually doing what it now exists to do! [09:10] highest_cubist_thrills move money around [09:10] highest_cubist_thrills ibm is only about money [09:10] highest_cubist_thrills microsoft is only about money [09:11] highest_cubist_thrills now mozilla and fsf are only about money [09:11] highest_cubist_thrills open source-- only about money [09:11] highest_cubist_thrills what freedom? [09:11] highest_cubist_thrills the freedom to be forced to run systemd [09:12] highest_cubist_thrills stallman isnt qualified to say anything [09:12] highest_cubist_thrills he said so himself [09:12] highest_cubist_thrills its a fully free distro [09:12] highest_cubist_thrills the license proves it [09:12] highest_cubist_thrills who controls the project [09:12] highest_cubist_thrills ibm and microsoft [09:12] TR News Browsers and them 'supporting' TLS certificate transparency https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/web/BrowsersAndCertTrans | Source: uni Toronto [09:12] TR Bot Chris's Wiki :: blog/web/BrowsersAndCertTrans [09:12] highest_cubist_thrills its free, trust us [09:13] highest_cubist_thrills mono/linux [09:13] TR News "When programming, it can be wasteful to store the same constant data again and again." https://lemire.me/blog/2022/09/23/optimizing-compilers-deduplicate-strings-and-arrays/ | Source: Daniel Lemire [09:13] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://lemire.me/blog/2022/09/23/optimizing-compilers-deduplicate-strings-and-arrays/ ) [09:13] schestowitz[TR] oh, btw, we mostly defeated mono [09:13] highest_cubist_thrills but since gnu is in the public domain now [09:13] schestowitz[TR] many people aid it would not happen [09:13] schestowitz[TR] and was not possible [09:13] schestowitz[TR] too late [09:13] schestowitz[TR] etc [09:14] schestowitz[TR] mono was gradually removed from more things [09:14] schestowitz[TR] eventually fedora also [09:14] schestowitz[TR] it can still creep in [09:14] highest_cubist_thrills there was an actual boycott of mono. [09:14] schestowitz[TR] but mono is a tiny niche now [09:14] schestowitz[TR] and its founder left microsoft [09:14] schestowitz[TR] yes, big boycott [09:14] schestowitz[TR] we led the boycott at the time [09:14] schestowitz[TR] it was a novell product [09:14] highest_cubist_thrills wheres the big boycott of ibm and/or systemd [09:14] TR News "This is the sixth post in my toolchains adventures series." https://www.cambus.net/toolchains-adventures-q3-2022/ | Source: Frederic Cambus [09:14] TR Bot Toolchains adventures - Q3 2022 | Frederic Cambus [09:14] schestowitz[TR] we don't boycott icbm [09:14] schestowitz[TR] but condemn them a lot [09:14] highest_cubist_thrills ibm is destroying gnu [09:15] schestowitz[TR] same for red hat [09:15] highest_cubist_thrills more than mono was a threat to free software [09:15] highest_cubist_thrills yeah [09:15] schestowitz[TR] because icbm is defaming the freesw community [09:15] schestowitz[TR] and we then react [09:15] highest_cubist_thrills you dont boycott them. [09:15] schestowitz[TR] by showing their hypocrisy [09:15] schestowitz[TR] which we did even proactively [09:15] schestowitz[TR] in 2020 I wrote a lot about their past [09:15] highest_cubist_thrills youre letting gnu die. [09:15] schestowitz[TR] as it would turn out to be handy the following year [09:15] schestowitz[TR] no [09:15] highest_cubist_thrills yes. [09:15] schestowitz[TR] zoe lets it die [09:15] schestowitz[TR] i do what I can [09:15] highest_cubist_thrills you let zoe let it die. [09:16] schestowitz[TR] zoe goes along with it [09:16] schestowitz[TR] "can't code, has blond hair" [09:16] schestowitz[TR] but I nlike her [09:16] schestowitz[TR] she is a good lead/head [09:16] schestowitz[TR] for fsf [09:16] highest_cubist_thrills shes useless to me. [09:16] schestowitz[TR] it's just that she won't fight [09:16] schestowitz[TR] she dubs the videos [09:16] schestowitz[TR] of gnu and fsf [09:16] schestowitz[TR] and she is polite [09:16] schestowitz[TR] but too polite [09:16] highest_cubist_thrills | she is a good lead/head <- which is it [09:16] schestowitz[TR] too diplomatic [09:16] schestowitz[TR] not revolutionary [09:16] highest_cubist_thrills zoe lets it die [09:16] schestowitz[TR] even greg is more revolutionary [09:16] highest_cubist_thrills | she is a good lead/head <- which is it [09:16] highest_cubist_thrills fucking hell [09:16] schestowitz[TR] she is good pr [09:17] schestowitz[TR] but good pr is for sponsors [09:17] schestowitz[TR] not for a revolution [09:17] highest_cubist_thrills zoe lets it die | she is a good lead/head <- which is it [09:17] schestowitz[TR] libera.chat likes her [09:17] highest_cubist_thrills it woudlnt paste. [09:17] highest_cubist_thrills libera.chat likes her [09:17] schestowitz[TR] and some people ther edislike rms [09:17] highest_cubist_thrills <- theyre anti stallman [09:17] schestowitz[TR] some are [09:17] schestowitz[TR] not all [09:17] highest_cubist_thrills they banned people for being pro rms. [09:17] schestowitz[TR] yeah [09:17] schestowitz[TR] some [09:17] highest_cubist_thrills /me shakes his head [09:18] TR News "Time and time again we find ourselves with problems where we wonder to what extent is this a deliberately planned behavior" https://idiomdrottning.org/evolved-behavior | Source: Idiomdrottning [09:18] TR Bot Planned vs evolved behavior [09:18] TR News "I recently read the Gaussian Blue Noise paper by Ahmed et al." https://bartwronski.com/2022/08/31/progressive-image-stippling-and-greedy-blue-noise-importance-sampling/ | [09:18] TR Bot Progressive image stippling and greedy blue noise importance sampling | Bart Wronski [09:18] DaemonFC I might review GNU Icecat tomorrow. [09:18] DaemonFC Fedora just bumped it to 102.3 [09:18] DaemonFC It tracks Firefox ESR. [09:18] highest_cubist_thrills stalin: dont stop the invasion! you might provoke them! [09:18] TR News "Any way I took it myself to analyse the situation and have finally come to the conclusion that we may be looking at the "problem"..." http://blogs.perl.org/users/saif/2022/09/perls-before-splines.html | Source: Perl [09:18] TR Bot Perls before Splines | Saif [blogs.perl.org] [09:18] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [09:18] highest_cubist_thrills also stalin: kills everyone who might be able to strategise [09:19] TR News "It was only after lunch did I realize that none of us had to write a program. No, all it would have taken was running: [...]" http://boston.conman.org//2022/08/31.1 | [09:19] TR Bot We could have skipped writing a program - The Boston Diaries - Captain Napalm [09:19] highest_cubist_thrills join us and help us stand down for your freedom! [09:19] TR News "But on another level, this is concerning. Even though Microsoft announced this three years ago" http://boston.conman.org//2022/09/22.1 | [09:19] TR Bot So when did POP and IMAP become a legacy protocol? - The Boston Diaries - Captain Napalm [09:19] highest_cubist_thrills fraud. [09:19] TR News [Old] "first: set email type to plaintext-only. this email account will only ever send or receive text." https://j3s.sh/thought/there-is-beauty-in-the-minimalism-of-email.html | [09:19] TR Bot jes post [09:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [09:22] highest_cubist_thrills all of this is masturbatory [09:22] highest_cubist_thrills join us and help us fap for your freedom [09:23] highest_cubist_thrills theyre only making a mess [09:24] TR News "Today, MathB.in is the oldest mathematics pastebin that is still alive and serving its community of users" https://susam.net/blog/mathbin-turns-10.html | Source: SusamPal [09:24] TR Bot MathB.in Turns 10 - Susam Pal [09:24] highest_cubist_thrills not for a revolution <- good pr is doing nothing for freedom [09:24] TR News "If youve been involved in Mission Zero before, you will notice lots of things have changed." https://blog.adafruit.com/2022/09/23/astro-pi-mission-zero-2022-23-is-open-piday-raspberrypi-raspberry_pi/ | Source: Adafruit [09:24] TR Bot Astro Pi Mission Zero 2022/23 is Open #piday #raspberrypi @Raspberry_Pi Adafruit Industries Makers, hackers, artists, designers and engineers! [09:24] highest_cubist_thrills theyre just covering up the fact that they have nothing left to fight with [09:25] highest_cubist_thrills thats all "good pr" is doing [09:25] highest_cubist_thrills lying the good lie. [09:25] TR News "This crystalized during a 1948 expedition to Pennsylvanias Conestoga Rivera body of water heavily polluted by sewage and industrial runoff." https://www.wired.com/story/philadelphias-diatom-archive-is-a-way-way-wayback-machine/ | Source: Wired [09:25] TR Bot Diatom Archive Is a Way, Way, Wayback Machine | WIRED [09:25] highest_cubist_thrills zoe is a good liar. [09:25] highest_cubist_thrills a good bullshitter. [09:26] highest_cubist_thrills shes good at getting people to ignore the reality of the situation. [09:26] highest_cubist_thrills lie-bera.chat likes her [09:26] highest_cubist_thrills who cares [09:27] highest_cubist_thrills i dont blame zoe for the state of the fsf [09:27] highest_cubist_thrills it was already destroyed when she got her position [09:27] highest_cubist_thrills shes useless. [09:27] highest_cubist_thrills the fsf is also useless. [09:27] highest_cubist_thrills useless + useless = useless [09:28] highest_cubist_thrills you like her [09:28] highest_cubist_thrills so what? [09:28] highest_cubist_thrills that has nothing to do with the fsf. [09:28] highest_cubist_thrills who fights for our freedom? [09:28] highest_cubist_thrills no one. [09:29] TR News "First things first, what do we mean by nothing? A first attempt to define nothing is to look at how we use the word in everyday language." http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2022/09/what-is-nothing.html | Source: Sabine Hossenfelder [09:29] TR Bot Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: What is "Nothing"? [09:29] highest_cubist_thrills but we like them anyway-- so what? [09:29] highest_cubist_thrills that has nothing to do with anything. [09:29] highest_cubist_thrills not for a revolution <- who is good for a revolution? [09:29] highest_cubist_thrills no one. [09:30] schestowitz[TR] zoe responded to the toolchain coup recently [09:30] highest_cubist_thrills who is good for our freedom? [09:30] highest_cubist_thrills n one [09:30] highest_cubist_thrills zoe responded to the toolchain coup recently <- with good pr? [09:30] schestowitz[TR] was phrased a lot more bureaucratically than rms [09:30] highest_cubist_thrills doesnt matter [09:30] schestowitz[TR] and sent by greg [09:30] schestowitz[TR] first as html email [09:30] schestowitz[TR] then as plain text [09:30] highest_cubist_thrills was phrased a lot more bureaucratically than rms <- so shes watering down things [09:30] schestowitz[TR] not sure why fsf would send a web page as 'email [09:30] schestowitz[TR] but they corrected it as the archive could not process it properly [09:30] highest_cubist_thrills they already decided not to pursue [09:31] highest_cubist_thrills so anything they say is just posturing. [09:31] highest_cubist_thrills thats still just pr. [09:31] highest_cubist_thrills at least a real rms version would contain a point. [09:31] highest_cubist_thrills but hes exiled in place [09:31] highest_cubist_thrills maybe greg will let him out-- no he wont [09:31] highest_cubist_thrills who from the fsf signed the support letter? [09:31] highest_cubist_thrills the current fsf. [09:32] highest_cubist_thrills not the people who have no bearing on any of this. [09:32] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/sfc-mark.png [09:32] schestowitz[TR] sept. 16th [09:32] schestowitz[TR] zoe [09:32] schestowitz[TR] https://sourceware.org/pipermail/overseers/2022q3/018847.html [09:32] TR Bot Sourceware / GNU Toolchain at Cauldron [09:32] schestowitz[TR] "The message was accidentally not plain text, I'm replying just to make a [09:32] schestowitz[TR] plain text version so it is readable in the archive:" [09:33] schestowitz[TR] sent via Ian Kelling [09:33] schestowitz[TR] (board) [09:33] schestowitz[TR] not greg [09:33] schestowitz[TR] https://sourceware.org/pipermail/overseers/2022q3/018843.html [09:33] TR Bot Sourceware / GNU Toolchain at Cauldron [09:33] schestowitz[TR] https://sourceware.org/pipermail/overseers/2022q3/018842.html [09:33] TR Bot Sourceware / GNU Toolchain at Cauldron [09:33] schestowitz[TR] zoe sent a web page [09:33] schestowitz[TR] as email [09:33] schestowitz[TR] cannot see headers [09:33] schestowitz[TR] wonder what software was used to sent mail [09:34] schestowitz[TR] cannot see msg-id either [09:34] highest_cubist_thrills new ways to support the sourceware project [09:35] highest_cubist_thrills again-- this is mark wielard (coup) saying they want ibm to have more support (slave labour) [09:35] highest_cubist_thrills so ibm can have more control of gnu [09:35] schestowitz[TR] so-called 'mmmmmmmeeeediaaa!" [09:35] schestowitz[TR] too busy covering WSL shit [09:35] schestowitz[TR] and not what goes on there at GNU [09:35] schestowitz[TR] which is profound [09:36] TR News "Lapine made this unnerving discovery by using Have I Been Trained" https://futurism.com/the-byte/private-medical-photos-ai | Source: Futurism [09:36] TR Bot Woman Horrified To Discover Her Private Medical Photos Were Being Used To Train AI [09:36] highest_cubist_thrills nazi takeover of fsf [09:36] highest_cubist_thrills nazi takeover of gnu [09:36] highest_cubist_thrills dont stop the invasion-- you might provoke them [09:37] highest_cubist_thrills sjw: look, we only go after stallman [09:37] schestowitz[TR] gnu->gus [09:37] highest_cubist_thrills youre on your own with the nazis! [09:37] highest_cubist_thrills bullshit reigns [09:37] TR News Proprietary https://portswigger.net/daily-swig/uber-hack-linked-to-hardcoded-secrets-spotted-in-powershell-script | Source: Port Swigger [09:37] TR Bot Uber hack linked to hardcoded secrets spotted in PowerShell script | The Daily Swig [09:38] highest_cubist_thrills fsf-iraq, ibm/halliburton platinum sponsor [09:38] highest_cubist_thrills ibm gcc [09:38] TR News "todays homily is a rebuke to all those sinners who have decided to abandon the correct path of reverse proxies" https://adepts.of0x.cc/novnc-phishing/ | Source: Of0x [09:38] TR Bot Thoughts on the use of noVNC for phishing campaigns - Adepts of 0xCC [09:38] highest_cubist_thrills ms-fsf [09:38] highest_cubist_thrills open source gnu.fools [09:38] highest_cubist_thrills bullshit reigns [09:39] TR News When classrooms become Gulags https://www.wired.com/story/denmark-google-schools-data/ | Source: Wired [09:39] TR Bot Danish City Built Google Into Its SchoolsThen Banned It | WIRED [09:39] TR News "Today, I turn on Satan's replacement, Belial, the annoying Mac Laptop." http://boston.conman.org//2022/09/21.1 | [09:39] TR Bot Just how much telemetry does The Enterprise need from my work laptop? - The Boston Diaries - Captain Napalm [09:40] highest_cubist_thrills all of this is fraud [09:40] TR News "That algorithm shapes the information billions of people consume, and Gulag YouTube has controls that purport to allow people to adjust what it shows them. " https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/09/20/1059709/youtube-algorithm-recommendations/ | Source: MIT Technology Review [09:40] TR Bot YouTube's recommendation algorithm is unresponsive to user feedback, according to Mozilla | MIT Technology Review [09:41] highest_cubist_thrills its like project paperclip in reverse [09:41] TR News Microsoft concentration camp in "social" clothing https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/24/business/linkedin-social-experiments.html | Source: New York Times [09:41] TR Bot LinkedIn Ran Social Experiments on 20 Million Users Over Five Years - The New York Times [09:41] highest_cubist_thrills project paperclip: get all the expertise we can from the nazis, build shit [09:41] highest_cubist_thrills project sourceware: build all the shit you can, give it to the nazis [09:41] TR News "An evangelical Southern Baptist church known as Gracepoint was caught relying on a little more than Gods watchful gaze" https://futurism.com/the-byte/churches-shameware-apps | Source: Futurism [09:41] TR Bot Churches Using "Shameware" Apps to Make Sure Members Don't Watch Porn [09:42] TR News "Covenant Eyes is part of a multimillion-dollar ecosystem of so-called accountability apps" https://www.wired.com/story/covenant-eyes-anti-porn-accountability-monitoring-apps/ | Source: Wired [09:42] TR Bot Ungodly Surveillance of Anti-Porn Shameware Apps | WIRED [09:42] highest_cubist_thrills i hope bradley kuhn is proud to be a member of the fourth reich [09:42] TR News "Databases are tools to store information in an organized but flexible way." https://opensource.com/article/22/9/drop-your-database-for-postgresql | Source: OpenSource.com [09:42] TR Bot your database for PostgreSQL | Opensource.com [09:42] highest_cubist_thrills all these people work for ibm [09:42] highest_cubist_thrills theyre all frauds [09:43] TR News Pentium LOL! In 2022... use ARM instead https://linuxgizmos.com/mini-pc-enabled-by-pentium-n6415-processor-dual-gbe-ports-and-wi-fi-6e/ | Source: Linux Gizmos [09:43] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/mini-pc-enabled-by-pentium-n6415-processor-dual-gbe-ports-and-wi-fi-6e/ ) [09:43] schestowitz[TR] highest_cubist_thrills: "well, he'd dead" [09:44] schestowitz[TR] "I can haz hiz tooth fillingz?" [09:44] highest_cubist_thrills stallman will sweep up the ashes [09:44] highest_cubist_thrills its what the sonderkommanden do. [09:44] TR News "Most often, you are looking for a file on Linux and you do not exactly know its true location on the system disk." https://linuxhandbook.com/find-files-by-name/ | Source: Linux Handbook [09:44] TR Bot Find Files by Name in Linux [5 Frequent Use Cases] [09:45] TR News Funny Programming Pictures Part XVI - by Bryan Lunduke https://lunduke.substack.com/p/funny-programming-pictures-part-xvi Source: Bryan Lunduke [09:45] TR Bot Funny Programming Pictures Part XVI - by Bryan Lunduke [09:45] TR News Rubenerd: Software engagement versus utility https://rubenerd.com/software-engagement-versus-utility/ Source: Ruben Schade | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//rubenerd.com/software-engagement-versus-utility/ [09:45] TR Bot Software engagement versus utility [09:46] TR News "Dr. Bombay" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-230922.html#tSep%2023%2008:33:15 https://youtu.be/Ropn_kwpFDU https://youtu.be/fKtNawQ3cxM [09:46] TR Bot IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, September 23, 2022 [09:46] TR Bot https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=Ropn_kwpFDU [09:46] TR Bot timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=Ropn_kwpFDU ) [09:46] TR Bot https://invidio.xamh.de/watch?v=fKtNawQ3cxM [09:46] TR Bot invidio.xamh.de | DR BOMBAY "Rice & Curry" - Invidious [09:46] TR News windows tco https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&u=https://svenska.yle.fi/a/7-10021053 [09:46] TR Bot Fr f kunniga inom dataskerhet i Finland utbildningarna motsvarar inte arbetslivets krav Inrikes svenska.yle.fi [09:46] TR News old: windows tco https://legalserviceindia.com/legal/article-3210-cyber-crime-a-hindrance-in-digital-world.html [09:46] TR Bot Cyber Crime - A Hindrance In Digital World [09:47] TR News analyticsindiamag coninues to mostly issue Microsoft propaganda and outright spam https://analyticsindiamag.com/github-repositories-that-will-change-the-way-you-learn-web3-and-blockchain/ [09:47] TR Bot Github Repositories that Will Change the Way You Learn Web3 and Blockchain [09:47] TR News Filipino survivors of martial law still haunted by abuses 50 years after declaration | CBC Radio https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/survivors-martial-law-philippines-abuses-50-years-later-1.6592042 Source: CBC | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/survivors-martial-law-philippines-abuses-50-years-later-1.6592042 [09:47] TR Bot Filipino survivors of martial law still haunted by abuses 50 years after declaration | CBC Radio [09:48] TR News old: Why I Switched to Linux https://odysee.com/@switchedtolinux:0/why-i-switched-to-linux:3 [09:48] TR Bot Why I Switched to Linux [09:48] TR News Gulag YouTUbe = censorship https://odysee.com/@switchedtolinux:0/wth-youtube-queen-wiciwici-may-be-after:2 [09:48] TR Bot WTH YouTube? | Queen Wiciwici may be after me again! [09:50] highest_cubist_thrills herr kuhn, herr sandler, herr wielaard, herr wingo [09:50] schestowitz[TR] hmmm.. [09:50] schestowitz[TR] well.. [09:50] schestowitz[TR] he first two would find it ofensive to the extreme [09:50] highest_cubist_thrills whats female for herr? not fraulein [09:51] highest_cubist_thrills the first two should stop working for nazis [09:51] highest_cubist_thrills the second two should also stop working for nazis [09:51] highest_cubist_thrills i dont give a fuck. [09:51] schestowitz[TR] so you call them kappo? [09:51] highest_cubist_thrills my family escaped germany. if anything they should apologise to me. [09:51] schestowitz[TR] they censored irc [09:51] schestowitz[TR] against IBBBM critics [09:52] highest_cubist_thrills so you call them kappo? <- why pull punches? [09:52] schestowitz[TR] Edwin Deny would object [09:52] highest_cubist_thrills i invite him to do so. [09:52] highest_cubist_thrills i will take it under advisement. [09:52] highest_cubist_thrills these are the worst hypocrites in the world [09:53] TR News indonesia https://odysee.com/@SomeOrdinaryGamers:a/a-hacker-is-taking-down-indonesia...:9 [09:53] TR Bot A Hacker Is Taking Down Indonesia... [09:53] TR News Attacks on RMS https://j3s.sh/thought/drones-run-linux-free-software-isnt-enough.html [09:53] TR Bot jes post [09:53] highest_cubist_thrills i have no sympathy for jews who work for the orchestrators of the holocaust [09:53] highest_cubist_thrills they are traitors. [09:53] highest_cubist_thrills they are not slaves. [09:53] TR News San Francisco Police Can Now Watch Private Surveillance Cameras in Real Time - SoylentNews https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/09/23/1824249 Source: Soylent News | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/09/23/1824249 [09:53] TR Bot San Francisco Police Can Now Watch Private Surveillance Cameras in Real Time - SoylentNews [09:53] highest_cubist_thrills they are willful backstabbers of humanity and their own people. [09:54] highest_cubist_thrills they might as well wear armbands and say heil hitler. [09:54] highest_cubist_thrills fuck them. [09:54] highest_cubist_thrills theyre no better than herr sixel. [09:54] highest_cubist_thrills how do you know he isnt jewish? [09:54] highest_cubist_thrills how does he? [09:54] highest_cubist_thrills would i care if he was? fuck no. [09:55] highest_cubist_thrills THEY DONT CARE. [09:55] highest_cubist_thrills they gleefully betray everyone on behalf of literal nazis. [09:56] TR News College Debt https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/24/college-debt-tip-iceberg | Source: Common Dreams [09:56] TR Bot Opinion | College Debt is the Tip of the Iceberg | Phil Wilson [09:56] highest_cubist_thrills that level of hypocrisy demands the highest condemnation and criticism. [09:56] highest_cubist_thrills but you always pull your punches [09:56] highest_cubist_thrills so you can suck up to them later [09:56] schestowitz[TR] to who? [09:56] schestowitz[TR] bkuhn? [09:56] schestowitz[TR] we've not gotten along since 2010 or earlier [09:56] highest_cubist_thrills in general. [09:56] schestowitz[TR] karen was not in sfc back then [09:56] schestowitz[TR] there was barely such a thing [09:57] schestowitz[TR] and she was in gnome and other things [09:57] schestowitz[TR] now yet rolling in the "dough" [09:57] TR News Lower-Income Families https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/24/its-lower-income-families-who-will-be-hit-hardest-fed-rate-hikes | Source: Common Dreams [09:57] TR Bot Opinion | It's Lower-Income Families Who Will Be Hit Hardest by Fed Rate Hikes | Dean Baker [09:58] highest_cubist_thrills today we split hairs [09:58] highest_cubist_thrills tomorrow we do nothing [09:58] highest_cubist_thrills the two are not unrelated [09:58] schestowitz[TR] hey, TR did the most about it [09:58] schestowitz[TR] more thasn the FSF itself even [09:59] schestowitz[TR] we were never passive [09:59] highest_cubist_thrills i dont agree [09:59] highest_cubist_thrills particularly with the last line [09:59] schestowitz[TR] to ttthe point of getting whistlebloweeers [09:59] highest_cubist_thrills but also with the rest [09:59] schestowitz[TR] barrier acting up again [09:59] highest_cubist_thrills more thasn the FSF itself even <- i mean [09:59] TR News Software Patents https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/09/23/meta-ordered-to-pay-walkie-talkie-live-streaming-patents/ | Source: Digital Music News [09:59] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/09/23/meta-ordered-to-pay-walkie-talkie-live-streaming-patents/ ) ● Sep 25 [10:00] highest_cubist_thrills that just means more than nothing [10:00] highest_cubist_thrills literally anything passes that mark [10:00] highest_cubist_thrills the fsf just rolled over and died [10:00] TR News Internet: "In this series, Im going to discuss different reasons for these kinds of policies, and different ways to implement them in interdomain BGP." https://blog.apnic.net/2022/09/23/interdomain-bgp-policies-where-traffic-should-exit-a-network/ | Source: APNIC [10:00] TR Bot Interdomain BGP policies where traffic should exit a network | APNIC Blog [10:00] highest_cubist_thrills join us and help us roll over and die for nothing [10:01] TR News "Russias propaganda is not monolithic. Instead, as it does in the West, it seeks to exploit existing divisions and tensions" https://www.economist.com/international/2022/09/22/how-russia-is-trying-to-win-over-the-global-south | Source: The Economist [10:01] TR Bot Russia is trying to win over the global south | The Economist [10:02] TR News "The group, formed in 2001, has quickly become one of the most important forces in global politics" https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/09/22/1059823/cold-war-authoritarian-tech-china-iran-sco/ | Source: MIT Technology Review [10:02] TR Bot The world is moving closer to a new cold war fought with authoritarian tech | MIT Technology Review [10:02] TR News "When a demo of the software was released in late August, users quickly found that certain wordsboth explicit mentions of political leaders" https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/09/14/1059481/baidu-chinese-image-ai-tiananmen/ | Source: MIT Technology Review [10:02] TR Bot No Tiananmen Square in ERNIE-ViLG, the new Chinese image-making AI | MIT Technology Review [10:04] TR News "Bolgla's store, Atlanta Vintage Books, is one of hundreds of independent bookstores across the country that have celebrated the freedom" https://text.npr.org/1124771875 | Source: NPR [10:04] TR Bot How independent bookstores help in the fight against book banning and why it matters [10:04] TR News "According to Russian digital rights NGO Roskomsvoboda, Veronika Loginova is the first individual to be prosecuted" https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxnza4/veronika-loginova-instagram-russia | Source: Vice [10:04] TR Bot Russian Influencer Says She Faces 6 Years in Prison for Using Instagram [10:05] TR News "Aucklander Matt Branin has inspired a historic demonstration in London on October 8th, to free jailed Australian journalist Julian Assange." https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2209/S00170/aucklander-inspires-demonstration-around-british-parliament-to-free-julian-assange-october-8th.htm | Source: Scoop Media [10:05] TR Bot Aucklander Inspires Demonstration Around British Parliament To Free Julian Assange, October 8th | Scoop News [10:10] highest_cubist_thrills https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/wget-dev/2022-09/msg00007.html [10:11] TR Bot Why GNUnet prefers curl over wget2 [10:11] highest_cubist_thrills microsoft gnunet [10:17] highest_cubist_thrills "charting the course" [10:17] highest_cubist_thrills more like gauging the fall [10:18] highest_cubist_thrills US government employee? Use CFC charity code 63210 to support us through [10:18] TR News "at least three of them women" https://www.voanews.com/a/journalists-arrested-in-iran-warned-about-protest-coverage/6760774.html | Source: VOA News [10:18] TR Bot Journalists Arrested in Iran, Warned About Protest Coverage [10:18] highest_cubist_thrills after ibm finishes taking over the whole thing can just be funded by darpa [10:18] highest_cubist_thrills yeah its not called that anymore [10:19] highest_cubist_thrills but since everything has gone backwards 40 years, why not [10:19] TR News Conservative MPs call for freelance journalist to be booted from press gallery after tweet https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/genuis-dale-smith-lame-horse-tweet-1.6591666 | Source: CBC [10:19] TR Bot Conservative MPs call for freelance journalist to be booted from press gallery after tweet | CBC News [10:19] TR News "background to the proceedings were nver's Twitter posts, the content of which dealt with crimes against Kurds" https://anfenglishmobile.com/freedom-of-the-press/prison-sentence-for-jinnews-reporter-for-terror-propaganda-62658 | Source: ANF News [10:19] TR Bot ANF | Prison sentence for JinNews reporter for terror propaganda" [10:19] TR News "Journalist Nilufar Hamedi has been imprisoned in the Iranian capital" https://anfenglishmobile.com/freedom-of-the-press/journalist-arrested-in-iran-after-reporting-on-amini-s-death-62659 | Source: ANF News [10:19] TR Bot ANF | Journalist arrested in Iran after reporting on Amini's death [10:20] highest_cubist_thrills https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2022-09/msg00001.html [10:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [10:20] TR Bot Free Software Awards: It's nomination time now until November 30 [10:20] highest_cubist_thrills i nominate hitler [10:20] highest_cubist_thrills after all, without hitler, sourceware wouldnt be able to take over the fsf. [10:20] highest_cubist_thrills besides [10:20] highest_cubist_thrills after seeing the people who have won free software awards [10:20] highest_cubist_thrills hes in good company [10:21] schestowitz[TR] won when? [10:21] schestowitz[TR] after 2005? [10:21] highest_cubist_thrills whenever [10:21] highest_cubist_thrills maybe a nobel peace prize too [10:21] highest_cubist_thrills i mean, its equally farcical [10:22] TR News "Eve Ottenberg examines how corporations continue to find ways to screw their workers" https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/24/class-warfare-grinds-on/ | Source: Scheerpost [10:22] TR Bot Warfare Grinds On scheerpost.com [10:22] TR News Military Whistleblower https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/24/military-whistleblower-challenges-pentagons-warrantless-purchase-of-internet-data/ | Source: Scheerpost [10:22] TR Bot Whistleblower Challenges Pentagons Warrantless Purchase of Internet Data scheerpost.com [10:22] highest_cubist_thrills www.fsf.org/blogs/community/free-software-awards-nominate-those-who-have-charted-a-course-to-freedom-by-november-30 [10:22] highest_cubist_thrills well, thats no one [10:22] highest_cubist_thrills there is no course left to freedom. [10:23] highest_cubist_thrills its a stupid and loaded question [10:23] TR News CMOS https://hackaday.com/2022/09/24/cmos-oscillator-circuit-gets-an-eatable-input/ | Source: Hackaday [10:23] TR Bot Oscillator Circuit Gets An Eatable Input | Hackaday [10:24] highest_cubist_thrills We are proud to announce the fifteenth edition of the Free Software Foundation's (FSF) conference on ethical technology and user freedom [10:24] highest_cubist_thrills ethical technology and user freedom <- not really [10:24] highest_cubist_thrills users arent free, technology isnt ethical. [10:25] TR News Tic Tac Toe Business Card https://hackaday.com/2022/09/24/minimal-tic-tac-toe-business-card/ | Source: Hackaday [10:25] TR Bot Tic Tac Toe Business Card | Hackaday [10:25] highest_cubist_thrills but thats lieplanet for you [10:25] highest_cubist_thrills sharting a course to serfdom [10:25] schestowitz[TR] what talks in the last libreplanet did you object to? [10:25] highest_cubist_thrills all of them. [10:25] highest_cubist_thrills the whole thing is a farce [10:26] highest_cubist_thrills every talk undermined free software. [10:26] highest_cubist_thrills there was one that was the least horrible [10:26] highest_cubist_thrills this is sort of inevitable [10:27] highest_cubist_thrills one talk actually equated free software and open source [10:27] highest_cubist_thrills even the lieplanet page says its not open source. [10:28] highest_cubist_thrills of course its not entirely untrue [10:28] highest_cubist_thrills free software is dead, and open source sometimes calls itself free software now. [10:28] highest_cubist_thrills so yeah, what to do. [10:29] TR News "Long before the Covid pandemic, it was important to ask, where are the mass movements to enact in Congress majoritarian-supported changes and reforms?" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/24/where-mass-mobilized-movement-medicare-all | Source: Common Dreams [10:29] TR Bot Opinion | Where Is the Mass Mobilized Movement for Medicare for All? | Ralph Nader [10:30] TR News "pandemic and widespread economic pain" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/24/direct-cash-transfers-lifted-28-million-americans-out-poverty-during-pandemic | Source: Common Dreams [10:30] TR Bot Opinion | Direct Cash Transfers Lifted 28 Million Americans Out of Poverty During Pandemic | Shailly Gupta Barnes [10:32] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #techrights [10:33] highest_cubist_thrills has esr burst like the senator in the x-men movie yet, or been hauled off to gitmo? [10:34] TR News "Mitchell Beer records experts responses to the recent sale of the outdoor retail giant" https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/24/the-hidden-downside-for-democracy-in-the-patagonia-sale/ | Source: Scheerpost [10:34] TR Bot Hidden Downside for Democracy in the Patagonia Sale scheerpost.com [10:36] highest_cubist_thrills has he taken all his guns to south america like mcaffee? [10:37] TR News WikiLeaks https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/24/the-israel-files-wikileaks-docs-show-top-hollywood-producers-working-with-israel-to-defend-its-war-crimes/ | Source: Scheerpost [10:37] TR Bot Israel Files: WikiLeaks Docs Show Top Hollywood Producers Working With Israel To Defend Its War Crimes scheerpost.com [10:38] mjg59_ esr had cancer, apparently [10:38] mjg59_ He was supposed to give a couple of talks at SELF, I don't know if that happened [10:38] TR News "Visitors at the Garden DLights in Bellevue, Washington had a problem. While touring the holiday lights show, they kept straying off the path." https://hackaday.com/2022/09/24/animated-led-arrows-point-the-way/ | Source: Hackaday [10:38] TR Bot LED Arrows Point The Way | Hackaday [10:41] TR News "Chief U.S. District Judge Shelly Dick ruled that the Office of Juvenile Justice (OJJ) can send two dozen children under the age of 18 from Bridge City Center for Youth, located outside New Orleans, to the Louisiana State Penitentiary" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/24/federal-judge-allows-untenable-plan-send-juvenile-inmates-angola-prison | Source: Common Dreams [10:41] TR Bot Federal Judge Allows 'Untenable' Plan to Send Juvenile Inmates to Angola Prison [10:42] highest_cubist_thrills With support from Accin Social (a governmental agency in Colombia) and Microsoft, SELF conducted a week-long site assessment and determined that deploying solar electric systems for the indigenous Arhuaco, Kogi and Wiwa communities [10:42] TR News Salmons are being patented now, with profiteers like Bill Gates standing to make monopolies. https://www.propublica.org/article/the-racism-and-resilience-behind-todays-salmon-crisis | Source: Pro Publica, bribed by Gates, never mentions his crimes [10:43] TR Bot The Racism, and Resilience, Behind Todays Salmon Crisis ProPublica [10:43] highest_cubist_thrills in collaboration with NRG Energy, Inc. and the Clinton Bush Haiti Fund, SELF has completed the Sun Lights the Way: Brightening Boucan-Carr project [10:43] highest_cubist_thrills jesus fucking christ [10:43] highest_cubist_thrills SELF was selected as a Grand Challenges Explorations winner, an initiative funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, [10:45] TR News Energy bills https://truthout.org/articles/minneapolis-energy-bills-and-taxes-are-funding-right-wing-candidate-in-wisconsin/ | Source: TruthOut [10:46] TR Bot Minneapolis Energy Bills and Taxes Are Funding Right-Wing Candidate in Wisconsin [10:46] TR News Water privatised https://truthout.org/articles/water-access-has-returned-to-jackson-but-a-long-term-health-crisis-remains/ | Source: TruthOut [10:46] TR Bot Water Access Has Returned to Jackson, But a Long-Term Health Crisis Remains [10:46] highest_cubist_thrills https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Electric_Light_Fund#Partnerships [10:46] TR Bot Solar Electric Light Fund - Wikipedia [10:47] TR News X-Ray Tube https://hackaday.com/2022/09/24/this-scratch-built-x-ray-tube-really-shines/ | Source: Hackaday [10:47] TR Bot Scratch-Built X-Ray Tube Really Shines | Hackaday [10:47] highest_cubist_thrills why are we even pretending that governments exist [10:47] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:47] TR News "There has been an unprecedented rush of people canceling their subscriptions to this blog the last five days." https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/09/i-am-puzzled/ | Source: Craig Murray [10:47] TR Bot I Am Puzzled - Craig Murray [10:47] highest_cubist_thrills you cant take a shit without a large corporations blessing [10:48] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techrights [10:49] TR News "Could be people are struggling with providing for themselves at the moment; could also be a hacker. Is there any way you can check this?" https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/09/i-am-puzzled/ [10:49] *highest_cubist_thrills has quit (connection closed) [10:50] TR News "It seems the only way to subscribe to this blog is via PayPal which is currently out of favour because of its censorship of free-speech organisations. Im surprised they havent got round to cutting off this site." https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/09/i-am-puzzled/ [10:53] TR News craig murray: "Good point. Certainly people continually find they have unfollowed me on twitter." Happened to Wikileaks and others too. Social control media can not only censor but also hide and break links between nodes. https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/09/i-am-puzzled/comment-page-1/#comments [10:53] TR Bot I Am Puzzled - Craig Murray [10:53] *techuser has quit (connection closed) [10:53] *techuser (~techuser@8tzi6shhd2jf2.irc) has joined #techrights [10:55] TR News ""House of the Dragon" and "The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power" are two completely different TV series" https://torrentfreak.com/house-of-the-dragon-crushes-the-rings-of-power-on-pirate-sites-220924/ | Source: Torrent Freak [10:55] TR Bot of the Dragon" Crushes "The Rings of Power" on Pirate Sites * TorrentFreak [10:57] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:57] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techrights [10:58] TR News DeSantis https://truthout.org/articles/house-democrats-call-on-doj-to-investigate-desantis-for-cruel-migrant-flights/ | Source: TruthOut [10:58] TR Bot House Democrats Call on DOJ to Investigate DeSantis for "Cruel Migrant Flights" [10:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 56.90 k/sec., IPFS upstream 103.65 average k/sec., average swarm size 112.16 ● Sep 25 [11:03] TR News linux [11:03] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [11:03] TR News 4 CTF Cloud and Linux Security Challenges Now Open - Pentesting Cloud https://pentesting.cloud/news/4-ctf-cloud-and-linux-security-challenges-now-open/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//pentesting.cloud/news/4-ctf-cloud-and-linux-security-challenges-now-open/ [11:03] TR Bot 4 CTF Cloud and Linux Security Challenges Now Open - Pentesting Cloud [11:08] TR News "Cloud conditions continue to cause great difficulty for star gazing, but tonight, God cleared away most of the clouds around sunset, and kept it clear until about 10:30pm. This gave me about 1.5 hours of pleasant star gazing." gemini://gem.librehacker.com/gemlog/starlog/20220924-0.gmi [11:09] TR News Identity gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1138 [11:10] TR News Assembling some notes on Assembly Language gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1137 [11:11] TR News (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/today_s_howtos.gmi [11:11] TR Bot Tux Machines today's howtos [11:13] TR News YouTube (the Alphabet/Google Gulag) seems to be weeding out discussion of software freedom; its a longstanding issue reported by several GNU/Linux-centric channels over the years http://techrights.org/2022/09/25/google-censoring-linux/ [11:13] TR Bot YouTube (Alphabet Gulag) Keeps Censoring Videos About Free Software and GNU/Linux | Techrights [11:13] TR News Microsoft is trying to decommoditise (read: control) E-mail by shutting out people who use standard protocols; how long have we got before E-mail becomes a surveillance-intensive walled garden? http://techrights.org/2022/09/25/microsoft-vs-pop-and-imap/ [11:13] TR Bot Microsoft is Trying to Eliminate POP3 and IMAP for E-mail (Attack on Commodity or Standard Protocols) | Techrights [11:16] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@4jwbkwrmdsaik.irc) has joined #techrights [11:16] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@22agg6qj8dxhg.irc) has joined #techrights [11:19] DaemonFC esr had cancer, apparently [11:19] DaemonFC I'm sure you were ecstatic to hear that. [11:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [11:28] mjg59_ DaemonFC: I was as upset as esr was when he heard Steve Jobs had cancer [11:29] DaemonFC He was a conniving asshole who was threatening "nuclear war" against Free Software. [11:30] DaemonFC Apple worked behind the scenes to try to corrupt and patent the Web. [11:30] DaemonFC They tried it with Canvas and again with HTML 5 media. [11:31] DaemonFC I don't understand why anyone is upset that a guy who was trying to make it impossible to use the Web, at all, with Free Software is gone. [11:32] DaemonFC It's Google that's pushing for open standards for media. [11:32] mjg59_ Sounds like you're saying it's ok to not be upset when someone dies [11:32] DaemonFC Apple hasn't changed at all. They're trying to convince people to put HEIC files in Web pages because they have a license to use those. [11:33] DaemonFC Everyoen else can just eat broken image placeholders if they use a Free browser. [11:33] DaemonFC Sounds like you're saying it's ok to not be upset when someone dies [11:33] DaemonFC ESR hasn't damaged Free Software and made it impossible for me to use a certain type of computer program. [11:33] DaemonFC Steve Jobs was trying to do both. [11:34] DaemonFC mjg59_, I suppose I'm supposed to stop and be upset that my mom's ex-husband, who viciously beat us, fell over of a heart attack? [11:35] DaemonFC I'm not only glad he's dead. I hope it hurt and I hope it went on seemingly forever. [11:35] DaemonFC You're damned right I'm glad he's dead. [11:35] schestowitz[TR] Sounds like you're saying it's ok to not be upset when someone dies [11:35] schestowitz[TR] depend who and why [11:35] DaemonFC So yes, I am glad that some people are dead when they've deserved it. When they've brought nothing into the world except something awful. [11:36] schestowitz[TR] many russians wish for putin to drop dead [11:36] schestowitz[TR] he kills many [11:36] DaemonFC I love funerals though. An alcoholic who beats women and children becomes a guy who loved to hunt and fish and ride his motorcycle, and a great-grandfather you know! (The entire family is in and out of lockup....Irish.) [11:37] DaemonFC Like really Irish. [11:37] DaemonFC Like so Irish it's a red wine stain on white carpet. You'll never get it out. [11:39] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], Now now, you know mjg59_ is going to post to Shitter that it's mean to want people like Hitler dead. [11:41] DaemonFC Some people deserve it and we're no worse off without them. Steve Jobs was a narcissistic used car salesman who made a lot of money on Apple. [11:41] DaemonFC What good did he do for the world? Nothing. He tried to make it impossible to use a Free Web browser. [11:42] DaemonFC Despite his best efforts, you still can use some of the Web with a Free Web browser. [11:43] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], LibreJS breaks many things in Icecat. Could just turn it off, but would Richard Stallman still smile upon me if I did? That's the question. [11:43] DaemonFC It's still a lot less irritating than Firefox either way. [11:44] DaemonFC No SJW Crap in your face and no spyware running in the background. [11:44] DaemonFC mjg59_ is a sad panda when he thinks about that. [11:49] schestowitz[TR] the web is the browser [11:49] schestowitz[TR] and the browser is the www [11:49] schestowitz[TR] they are server-client [11:49] schestowitz[TR] and protocols are a mirage [11:49] schestowitz[TR] the browser IS the protocol [11:49] schestowitz[TR] in the MSIE days [11:49] schestowitz[TR] and now again [11:49] schestowitz[TR] difference is [11:49] schestowitz[TR] we are worse off now [11:49] schestowitz[TR] due to rising complexitiy [11:50] schestowitz[TR] in MSIE era you had windows embedded obkjects [11:50] schestowitz[TR] WMP [11:50] schestowitz[TR] ActiveX [11:50] schestowitz[TR] now it's even worse [11:50] schestowitz[TR] and no way back [11:50] schestowitz[TR] so www needs to die along with browsers [11:50] schestowitz[TR] they've become like VMs [11:50] schestowitz[TR] wthere the code is mostly obfuscated JS [11:50] schestowitz[TR] with psuedo-standards [11:51] schestowitz[TR] things die when they become too bloated to be worth it [11:51] schestowitz[TR] and small, agile things sudduntly compensate for lack of cunction [11:51] schestowitz[TR] with their superior performce and.. [11:51] schestowitz[TR] cheapness of maintaining them [11:51] schestowitz[TR] like debugging ande extending [11:51] schestowitz[TR] firefox is too bloated now [11:51] DaemonFC https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Gnuzilla [11:51] schestowitz[TR] culling thousands of extensions was a mistalkre [11:52] TR Bot Gnuzilla - Free Software Directory [11:52] schestowitz[TR] wrong approach [11:52] DaemonFC "The proprietary web chat IRC client Mibbit has been removed." [11:52] schestowitz[TR] then they did the same to thunderbird [11:52] DaemonFC Firefox doesn't have a bundled IRC client. [11:52] schestowitz[TR] makde it more bloated an d remove a lot of useful functionality [11:52] schestowitz[TR] so now we have just bloat [11:52] DaemonFC ChatZilla (which is FOSS) doesn't work in it anymore. [11:52] DaemonFC "DuckDuckGo is the default search engine, which means that you can run "!Bangs" keywords in the location bar to use any search engine." [11:52] schestowitz[TR] bangbang with microsoft [11:52] DaemonFC So maybe it was Fedora that changed it to Google. [11:53] schestowitz[TR] with drpeter and drgates [11:54] schestowitz[TR] !bang!bang on pizzas [11:55] schestowitz[TR] SJW mindset: [11:55] schestowitz[TR] he world is run by Donald Trump, ESR,a dn Ryan from IL [11:55] schestowitz[TR] nobody else is of interest [11:55] schestowitz[TR] not even PUTIN ;-) [11:57] schestowitz[TR] putin is "political" [11:58] schestowitz[TR] putin has no formal coc [11:58] schestowitz[TR] and if they try to foce him to [11:58] schestowitz[TR] he might shoot you between the eyes [11:58] schestowitz[TR] he's not easy to blackmail [11:59] TR News Sam Varghese wasting his time doing these puff pieces :/ https://itwire.com/mobile-devices/review-oppo-reno8-pro-5g-lives-life-in-the-fast-charging-lane.html [11:59] TR Bot - Review: Oppo Reno8 Pro 5G lives life in the fast-charging lane ● Sep 25 [12:00] TR News The Web is sheer bloat. It's not sustainable. W3C promotes DRM, which is massive contributor to pollution and waste. https://tantek.com/2022/267/b1/w3c-tpac-sustainability-cg-meeting [12:01] TR Bot TPAC 2022 Sustainability Community Group Meeting - Tantek [12:01] TR News M5Stack Thermal Camera 2 Unit combines ESP32 WiSoC with MLX90640 thermal camera - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/25/m5stack-thermal-camera-2-unit-combines-esp32-wisoc-with-mlx90640-thermal-camera/ Source: CNX Software | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/25/m5stack-thermal-camera-2-unit-combines-esp32-wisoc-with-mlx90640-thermal-camera/ [12:01] TR Bot M5Stack Thermal Camera 2 Unit combines ESP32 WiSoC with MLX90640 thermal camera - CNX Software [12:03] DaemonFC Calling DrPizza, DrGates, DrGULAG! [12:03] DaemonFC Emergency! [12:03] DaemonFC DrGULAG DrGULAG, come right away! [12:03] DaemonFC Paging DrGULAG! DrPizza! DrGULAG! [12:04] DaemonFC B-) [12:04] schestowitz[TR] "we,, the joke is dead" [12:04] DaemonFC Now, now, Roy. [12:04] DaemonFC Didn't you hear what mjg59_ said? [12:05] schestowitz[TR] i know [12:05] schestowitz[TR] death is bad [12:05] DaemonFC It's mean to hope that they bash DrPizza's skull in and leave him for the guards to find? [12:05] DaemonFC :) [12:05] schestowitz[TR] "If you cant make it good, at least make it look good." [12:05] schestowitz[TR] Bill Gates, Microsoft, putting makeup on a kid to make it look older [12:05] schestowitz[TR] like in .ph [12:06] schestowitz[TR] "why so serious!" [12:06] schestowitz[TR] "we're not serious" [12:07] schestowitz[TR] I always come back to Lolita Gates and the kids" [12:07] schestowitz[TR] Microsoft: ggggggates was unfaithful [12:07] schestowitz[TR] media: gates was not faithful [12:07] schestowitz[TR] to whom? [12:07] schestowitz[TR] to epstein? [12:07] schestowitz[TR] what did he need from him anyway? [12:07] schestowitz[TR] had this diuscussion yesterday with a friend over [12:07] schestowitz[TR] it's clear that he was up to no good [12:07] schestowitz[TR] to me, the options can be narrowed down to: [12:07] schestowitz[TR] 1) he liked to watch [12:07] schestowitz[TR] 2) he particpated [12:08] schestowitz[TR] 3) the secrets epstein had were beyond sexual [12:08] schestowitz[TR] (3) would likely be bext for billg [12:08] schestowitz[TR] but I struggle to think what else he could blackmail with [12:08] schestowitz[TR] that billg would want to see a convicted monster behind bars [12:08] schestowitz[TR] and fly over to see him [12:08] schestowitz[TR] and then insist that they need to whiten his name [12:08] schestowitz[TR] and then lie about meeting him [12:09] schestowitz[TR] and then mock his death when challenged about it [12:09] schestowitz[TR] BillBC and BillPR now use strawman "plants" to present all this is just some "conspiracy theory" [12:09] schestowitz[TR] when controlling "media" that calls itself "public" [12:10] schestowitz[TR] and is partly funded by the gullible public [12:10] schestowitz[TR] but helps cover up child predation [12:10] schestowitz[TR] like billBC did with Jimmy Savile too [12:10] schestowitz[TR] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/jimmy-savile-raped-children-as-young-as-nine-while-working-at-bbc-leaked-report-finds-a6824436.html [12:10] schestowitz[TR] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-26/jimmy-savile-said-to-have-sexually-abused-dead-bodies/5553742 [12:10] schestowitz[TR] The Beed [12:10] schestowitz[TR] *Beed [12:10] TR Bot 'Jimmy Savile raped children as young as nine' while working at BBC, leaked report unveils | The Independent | The Independent [12:10] TR Bot BBC star Jimmy Savile 'committed sex acts on dead bodies' while volunteering at hospital - ABC News [12:10] schestowitz[TR] necrophiles [12:10] schestowitz[TR] as managers [12:10] schestowitz[TR] the need a new word for it [12:11] schestowitz[TR] necropedophila [12:11] schestowitz[TR] two in one? [12:11] schestowitz[TR] how about [12:11] schestowitz[TR] necrozoopedophila? [12:11] schestowitz[TR] lust for screwing baby animals [12:11] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], DuckDuckGo still works without JavaScript. [12:11] schestowitz[TR] when they are dead [12:11] DaemonFC They have a non-JS version you get redirected to. [12:12] schestowitz[TR] mental coinditions are nowadays being normalised [12:12] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2022/09/13/npr-kids/ [12:12] schestowitz[TR] RMS stares = bad [12:12] TR Bot Why Does NPR, Funded by Bill Gates, Publish Such a Thing This Week? | Techrights [12:12] schestowitz[TR] people wanting to harm themselves = normal [12:13] schestowitz[TR] redefined as "lifestyle choice" [12:13] schestowitz[TR] maybe that was the strategy of billG [12:13] schestowitz[TR] maybe they can weaponise thew mdia tro convince society fast enough that 60 year olds 'doing' 12 years olds is consensual [12:13] schestowitz[TR] and won't scar the girls [12:17] TR News Openwashing by tarnishing away the brand "Linux" https://www.protocol.com/newsletters/protocol-enterprise/meta-pytorch-linux-foundation-twitter [12:17] TR Bot transfers PyTorch to the Linux Foundation - Protocol [12:17] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: did you ever tweet about savile? [12:17] schestowitz[TR] I can check.. [12:18] DaemonFC The NIH lists a high quality study from Sweden showing that Trans people kill themselves at very high rights. [12:18] DaemonFC I wonder when that will be deleted to fit with the Biden Administration's reclassification of womanhood. [12:18] schestowitz[TR] yes, that's statistically provable [12:18] schestowitz[TR] but some people reverse cause and effect [12:18] schestowitz[TR] anyway, that's for other irc channels [12:18] schestowitz[TR] don't debate it here [12:18] schestowitz[TR] not related to tech at all [12:19] DaemonFC It's all a part of the leftist attack on the family. [12:19] DaemonFC Bill Gates supports this, and funds it. [12:19] schestowitz[TR] supports what? [12:19] schestowitz[TR] "Family planning{" yes [12:19] schestowitz[TR] eugenics wiuth better PR [12:19] schestowitz[TR] but he harms gays [12:20] DaemonFC Propaganda encouraging transgender acceptance on NPR. [12:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [12:20] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: did you mention how gates harms gays? [12:20] schestowitz[TR] with his patent monopolklies? [12:20] schestowitz[TR] off boundaries? [12:20] schestowitz[TR] to poke fun at vulnerable gates? [12:20] DaemonFC Yes, to sell vaccines, Gates pushes homophobic articles about a disease that hasn't killed anyone. [12:20] schestowitz[TR] and hiv patenrs [12:20] schestowitz[TR] *patents [12:20] schestowitz[TR] he is a massive novartis pusher [12:21] schestowitz[TR] techrights covered this several times a decade ago [12:21] schestowitz[TR] gates kills gays [12:21] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: i am more concerned about a gay man from IL [12:21] schestowitz[TR] billg has no relevance to me [12:22] schestowitz[TR] billggates is a protected minority [12:22] schestowitz[TR] there are only about 10 people as rich as that [12:22] schestowitz[TR] they're a tiny minority [12:22] schestowitz[TR] iiit's a low blow to take on minorities [12:23] schestowitz[TR] it's even raycist [12:23] schestowitz[TR] becauyse they are all white [12:23] schestowitz[TR] even the african on that list [12:23] schestowitz[TR] he's european colonist [12:23] schestowitz[TR] who kickstarted by abusing local, indiginous people in ruby mines [12:23] schestowitz[TR] aka slaver [12:23] schestowitz[TR] or emerald [12:24] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], mjg59_ is like DuckDuckGo. Every time you call him out for being shady or lying, he switches to something else. [12:24] schestowitz[TR] the locals kicked him in the head [12:24] schestowitz[TR] that's how much even KIDS ahted him [12:24] schestowitz[TR] that should tell you [12:24] DaemonFC Or just stops engaging until he resurfaces later to fire a torpedo and dive. [12:24] schestowitz[TR] Microsoft NDAs [12:24] schestowitz[TR] maybe he signed some too [12:24] schestowitz[TR] for shim [12:25] schestowitz[TR] NDA [12:25] schestowitz[TR] like NWA [12:25] schestowitz[TR] but without the "n**ers" [12:25] schestowitz[TR] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N.W.A [12:25] TR Bot N.W.A - Wikipedia [12:26] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_ has many black friends [12:26] schestowitz[TR] /homies/mjg/ [12:26] schestowitz[TR] he is very tolerant [12:26] schestowitz[TR] tolerant towards: [12:26] schestowitz[TR] billg [12:26] schestowitz[TR] jimmy savile [12:26] schestowitz[TR] ... [12:27] schestowitz[TR] https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/739100912820461570 [12:27] TR Bot @sabdfl I don't think people like Bill Cosby or Jimmy Savile were leaders [12:27] schestowitz[TR] that's all he ever said about Savile [12:27] schestowitz[TR] ever! [12:27] schestowitz[TR] i ressponse to mark shuttlweworth [12:27] schestowitz[TR] https://twitter.com/sabdfl [12:27] TR Bot ( status 400 @ https://mobile.twitter.com/sabdfl ) [12:28] schestowitz[TR] "High profile figures are able to get away with things because they're in a position to make a significant proportion of accusations go away [12:28] schestowitz[TR] Mark Shuttleworth [12:28] schestowitz[TR] @sabdfl [12:28] schestowitz[TR] [12:28] schestowitz[TR] Jun 4, 2016 [12:28] schestowitz[TR] no, it's because the choice of leaders is between various other high profile people, who also have flaws [12:28] schestowitz[TR] Matthew Garrett [12:28] schestowitz[TR] @mjg59 [12:28] schestowitz[TR] Replying to [12:28] schestowitz[TR] @sabdfl [12:28] schestowitz[TR] I don't think people like Bill Cosby or Jimmy Savile were leaders" [12:28] schestowitz[TR] Mark Shuttleworth = hypocrite [12:28] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2022/05/15/jeff-waugh-on-mark-shuttleworth/ [12:28] TR Bot Audio: Mark Shuttleworth Marketed to Young Males, With Sexy Pictures | Techrights [12:29] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2010/07/11/waugh-on-canonical/ [12:29] schestowitz[TR] Partial trascript (Jeff Waugh): What happened was, weve had some very some of the very early initial meetings (when, you know, there were about 10 people) and Mark [Shuttleworth] showed this picture and it was of a girl called Sabrina, or thats the name that he gave her. And it was a very [?] tone, Vaseline on the lens kind of shot, and it was a a very beautiful shot, but it was with a girl with her face turned aw [12:29] schestowitz[TR] ay but her breasts perfectly visible. And he saying to everyone, this is what I want the desktop to look like. [12:29] TR Bot A Sexy Dawn of Ubuntu Branding | Techrights [12:30] schestowitz[TR] "If you cant make it good, at least make it look good." [12:30] schestowitz[TR] -Bill Gates, coipilot for Jeffrey Epstein, frequent flyer [12:31] schestowitz[TR] Mark Shuttle (MS): if you can't make debian, look good.. [12:31] DaemonFC I'm mjg59_ and this is my black friend! See, he's very well fed and happy! What? God is a negro!? I am so screwed! [12:31] schestowitz[TR] add nudes [12:31] DaemonFC :) [12:31] schestowitz[TR] cp -R /home/mjg/ /homies/ghettopeople/ [12:32] DaemonFC I just borrowed that from Bob Pogo from F is for Family. [12:32] schestowitz[TR] sudo su marisol [12:32] schestowitz[TR] \sudo !! [12:32] schestowitz[TR] of course the irony is, [12:32] schestowitz[TR] marisol grew up in the ghetto [12:32] schestowitz[TR] now calls others "ghetto people" [12:33] schestowitz[TR] like ryan making fun of poor, un employed people with cirminal records [12:33] schestowitz[TR] i.e. people like him [12:33] schestowitz[TR] or ICBM calling the community rude and unruly [12:34] schestowitz[TR] falling in love with linux https://www.papermag.com/linux-nyfw-spring-2023-2658229668.html [12:34] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.papermag.com/linux-nyfw-spring-2023-2658229668.html ) [12:34] schestowitz[TR] now linux is a person [12:34] schestowitz[TR] too much makeup, linus, too much makeup... [12:34] schestowitz[TR] make up another name [12:34] schestowitz[TR] this one is a trademark infringement [12:35] schestowitz[TR] james zemlin adn sheela microsoft don't mind [12:35] schestowitz[TR] ruining the brand seems like an objective [12:36] schestowitz[TR] and nobody in these septs in LF uses Linux [12:36] schestowitz[TR] because, to them, linus sucks [12:36] schestowitz[TR] it's just some brand to whither away [12:36] schestowitz[TR] *linux [12:36] schestowitz[TR] and they also ruin git [12:36] schestowitz[TR] by outsoucing to the enemy of git [12:36] schestowitz[TR] the EEE of Git [12:37] schestowitz[TR] "what does LF do?" [12:37] schestowitz[TR] "surely,, it's for Linux... it's in the name" [12:37] schestowitz[TR] reality check: "no, it takes monewy freom companies that attack Linux" [12:37] schestowitz[TR] and attacks the other project of Linus Torvalds, Git [12:37] schestowitz[TR] by funnelling projects into the Microsoft attackl on Git [12:37] schestowitz[TR] which was primed for attacks for YEARS by drpizza [12:38] schestowitz[TR] before he was arrested for child rape [12:38] schestowitz[TR] he did a lot of the anti-git stenography for Microsoft [12:38] schestowitz[TR] now he's just "staff writer" for conde nast [12:38] schestowitz[TR] they left all those planted micfrosoft articles in tact [12:38] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], Icecat seems faster than Firefox. [12:38] DaemonFC Much more responsive. [12:38] schestowitz[TR] so that the MS PR agencies can defact Wikipedia [12:38] schestowitz[TR] with "authoritative" sources as references [12:39] schestowitz[TR] linking to articles they themselves writer [12:39] schestowitz[TR] with the pen name of mr. penpal [12:39] schestowitz[TR] or penplay [12:39] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: less "telemetry" [12:39] schestowitz[TR] less "to improve your experience" [12:41] *KiKi (~KiKi@tjyeecr8dbswi.irc) has joined #techrights [12:42] TR News (NEW): Top 35 Linux Console Tips and Tricks From Practical Experience http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Top_35_Linux_Console_Tips_and_Tricks_From_Practical_Experience.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Top_35_Linux_Console_Tips_and_Tricks_From_Practical_Experience.gmi [12:42] TR Bot Tux Machines Top 35 Linux Console Tips and Tricks From Practical Experience [12:42] DaemonFC I plan to review this after I've rested. [12:43] DaemonFC I'm going to sleep for a bit. [12:43] DaemonFC I wonder why it doesn't connect the icon for Icecat to the running application. [12:44] DaemonFC You open it and the binary is called "icecat-default" and has another entry on the dash. [12:44] schestowitz[TR] librewolf is strange also [12:44] schestowitz[TR] renaming two types ofm processes [12:44] schestowitz[TR] I guess due to [12:44] schestowitz[TR] a) trademarks [12:44] schestowitz[TR] b) conflict with a running firefox instance (they cann run ok in tandem) [12:45] schestowitz[TR] i wonder if waterfox and librewolf dveelopers have a past employment in mozilla [12:45] schestowitz[TR] and whether Bakersoft will brand them,m "bad actors" [12:45] DaemonFC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNUnet [12:45] TR Bot GNUnet - Wikipedia [12:45] schestowitz[TR] at which point they will be in trouble [12:46] DaemonFC Looking at this. [12:46] schestowitz[TR] deplotforming and lawyering up by the "I'm not coding, but IU have law degree" Baker [12:46] schestowitz[TR] gnunet is not ready yet [12:46] schestowitz[TR] they allege [12:46] schestowitz[TR] so I've not installed it yet [12:46] schestowitz[TR] not "stable" [12:47] schestowitz[TR] it can be interesting alongside gemini [12:47] schestowitz[TR] as the sites are also text files by now [12:47] schestowitz[TR] so should be easy for any protocol or transport layer [12:47] schestowitz[TR] ftp, ipfs.. [12:47] schestowitz[TR] i tried bbs [12:47] schestowitz[TR] bbs is tricky [12:47] schestowitz[TR] it tends to assume modem connection [12:47] schestowitz[TR] modulation [12:48] schestowitz[TR] techrights by fax ;-) [12:48] DaemonFC Fax all of Techrights to mjg59_'s lawyer. [12:48] DaemonFC Yo dawg, I heard you like papers. [12:48] schestowitz[TR] paypa' [12:48] schestowitz[TR] that's how they get paid [12:49] schestowitz[TR] i saw it firsthand [12:49] schestowitz[TR] you hand them over paper [12:49] schestowitz[TR] they turnn it to more paypa' [12:49] schestowitz[TR] with this thing called "xerox" [12:49] schestowitz[TR] then charge you 200 pounds an hour [12:49] schestowitz[TR] for all that tiring xerox "high-tech" stuff [12:49] DaemonFC I wonder what they could do if you sent them Techrights articles to a fax number. [12:49] schestowitz[TR] put in m,achinbe, poress button [12:49] schestowitz[TR] enter next paper, rpeeat [12:50] schestowitz[TR] 1600 pounds for a day's work [12:50] DaemonFC You're not in the US, so the junk fax law doesn't matter. Right? [12:50] schestowitz[TR] then the 'certified' laywyer addss the signature [12:50] schestowitz[TR] "added value" [12:50] schestowitz[TR] "i have a licence to print money lol!" [12:51] schestowitz[TR] ireland hates lawyers [12:51] schestowitz[TR] they have experiences with the british [12:52] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], Being a public defender must really suck. [12:52] DaemonFC It barely pays anything, you get stuck defending the dog fuckers of Lake County. [12:53] DaemonFC You hate your clients but you have to go in there and give them a defense. [12:53] TR News Diploma mills. Waste of your money. Like investing in shitcoins. https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/09/21/3-free-linux-security-training-courses/ [12:53] TR Bot 3 free Linux security training courses you can take right now - Help Net Security [12:53] DaemonFC Most lawyers will accept any client who can pay them though [12:54] TR News inappropriate [12:54] TR News "Revolut customers began noticing something was wrong on September 11, when some of them reported receiving inappropriate wording via chat." https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/09/20/revolut-data-breach-phishing/ [12:54] TR Bot Revolut data breach: 50,000+ users affected - Help Net Security [12:54] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: alex graveley [12:55] schestowitz[TR] the man who tells girls he has $200,000,000 [12:55] schestowitz[TR] barely has 200k [12:55] schestowitz[TR] employed by microsoft [12:55] schestowitz[TR] says he works there in his site [12:55] schestowitz[TR] but actually got sacked [12:55] schestowitz[TR] forced to resig [12:56] schestowitz[TR] we'll likely cover this next year, maybe before xmas [12:56] schestowitz[TR] it's connected to other stuff [12:56] schestowitz[TR] like de icaza and nat-a-friend-man [12:56] schestowitz[TR] maybe james zemlin and sheela microsoft can still save gtihub [12:56] schestowitz[TR] in 'Linux's' name [12:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 16.68 k/sec., IPFS upstream 119.11 average k/sec., average swarm size 118.61 [12:59] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Sep 25 [13:02] schestowitz[TR] we'll likely cover this next year, maybe before xmas [13:02] schestowitz[TR] better to publish along with formal documents [13:02] schestowitz[TR] and full verifiable context [13:02] schestowitz[TR] to avoid the ad hom brigades [13:02] schestowitz[TR] who try to distract from the news [13:03] schestowitz[TR] and the full extent/ramifications [13:03] schestowitz[TR] typical self-described SJW: [13:03] schestowitz[TR] *) condemns trmp [13:03] schestowitz[TR] *) condemns ICE [13:03] schestowitz[TR] *) says it supports FOSS [13:03] schestowitz[TR] *) use ICE GitHub [13:04] schestowitz[TR] *) says PROPRIETARY Githib is foss [13:04] schestowitz[TR] *) insists microsoft is not the enemy [13:04] schestowitz[TR] *) attacks the founder of FOSS [13:04] schestowitz[TR] *) posts supportive libel in PROPRIETARY twitter [13:04] schestowitz[TR] and nowhere else [13:06] schestowitz[TR] * bonus: takes 6-figure salary, PLUS bonus [13:06] schestowitz[TR] * attacks people who work as VOLUNTEERS... because they make typos in IRF ;-) [13:06] schestowitz[TR] *IRC [13:07] schestowitz[TR] "only stupid people pursue something that isn't money" (to compensate for insecurities) [13:08] TR News Uber repeatedly getting cracked. And those are only the INCIDENTS WE KNOW about (there are more for sure). https://portswigger.net/daily-swig/uber-hack-linked-to-hardcoded-secrets-spotted-in-powershell-script take taxi, pay cash [13:08] TR Bot Uber hack linked to hardcoded secrets spotted in PowerShell script | The Daily Swig [13:10] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: if you cared about real social justice, , you and I would be natural allies [13:10] schestowitz[TR] putin is branding himself protector of russia [13:10] schestowitz[TR] while sending millions to die... trying to kill millions of others who never wanted war [13:11] schestowitz[TR] you calling yourself "social justice warrior" is like me calling myself "trans woman" [13:11] schestowitz[TR] it's a statement about oneself [13:11] schestowitz[TR] putin: I protect russians [13:11] schestowitz[TR] trump: I will make America great again [13:11] schestowitz[TR] Biden: I'm not Trump (technically that's true) [13:13] TR News Microsoft: we're a legacy company. So we break everything we can, including Linux.. and E-mail http://boston.conman.org//2022/09/22.1 [13:13] TR Bot So when did POP and IMAP become a legacy protocol? - The Boston Diaries - Captain Napalm [13:15] TR News Useless fact: if Microsoft determine if (of when) you cannot boot up your own machine, you have a back door [13:16] TR News Useless fact: if Microsoft determines if (or when) you cannot boot up your own machine, you have a back door and the only way to get rid of it is to surgically remove part of the hardware, which is proprietary and still cannot be trusted, esp. if attached to a network [13:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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Don't do it, man... https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-back-up-directly-to-google-drive-on-linux/ [14:29] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-back-up-directly-to-google-drive-on-linux/ ) [14:30] TR News How Linux Users Can Speed Up Their Software Distribution - LinuxTechLab https://linuxtechlab.com/how-linux-users-can-speed-up-their-software-distribution/ Source: LinuxTechLab | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//linuxtechlab.com/how-linux-users-can-speed-up-their-software-distribution/ [14:30] TR Bot Linux Users Can Speed Up Their Software Distribution - LinuxTechLab [14:31] TR News "We cover events and user groups that are running in the US state of Wyoming. This article forms part of our Linux Around The World series." https://www.linuxlinks.com/linux-usa-wyoming/ [14:31] TR Bot Around The World: USA - Wyoming - LinuxLinks [14:32] TR News "We cover events and user groups that are running in the US state of Wyoming. This article forms part of our Linux Around The World series." https://www.linuxlinks.com/linux-usa-wyoming/ [14:32] TR News "Spoilt babies with nuclear weapons are not exactly a healthy mix" https://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2022/09/25/rama-ii-arthur-c-clarke-aliens/ [14:32] TR Bot Rama II, Arthur C. Clarke, Aliens Experiences in the community [14:38] TR News Top 10 Best PhpStorm Themes and Color Schemes in 2022 https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-phpstorm-themes-and-color-schemes/ Source: Ubuntu Pit | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.ubuntupit.com/best-phpstorm-themes-and-color-schemes/ [14:38] TR Bot Top 10 Best PhpStorm Themes and Color Schemes in 2022 [14:39] TR News "The PhoenixRC is a controller with 8 channels for use in flight simulators." https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/hid/hid.git/commit/?h=for-next&id=acc3e34613da139643af2ce4ca7e7dadf07478d6 [14:39] TR Bot kernel/git/hid/hid.git - HID Group's fork of hid.git [14:41] TR News SysLinuxOS 2022-09-24 is out https://syslinuxos.com/primi-passi/ [14:41] TR Bot passi - SysLinuxOS [14:41] *horseface (~horseface@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [14:42] MinceR i see mjg59_ admires steve jobs [14:42] MinceR no surprise there, they're both enemies of the users and the users' freedom [14:43] TR News Archinstall outsourced to Microsoft proprietary software prison. Makes Arch look incompetent. https://www.phoronix.com/news/Archinstall-2.5.1-Released [14:43] TR Bot 2.5.1 Released With A Number Of Fixes For The Arch Linux Installer - Phoronix [14:44] schestowitz[TR] they both hate women, too [14:44] schestowitz[TR] jobs disowned his own daughter and g/f [14:44] schestowitz[TR] Lisa, IIRC [14:44] schestowitz[TR] said he could not possible be the father [14:44] schestowitz[TR] "you're not holding it right..." [14:45] MinceR didn't stop him from naming a product after her [14:47] schestowitz[TR] much later [14:54] *horseface has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:54] *horseface_ (~horseface@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [14:54] TR News (NEW): Eager to Try Pop!_OS 22.10? Well, You Cant http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Eager_to_Try_Pop_OS_22_10_Well_You_Can_t.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Eager_to_Try_Pop_OS_22_10_Well_You_Can_t.gmi [14:54] TR Bot Tux Machines Eager to Try Pop!_OS 22.10? Well, You Cant [14:57] TR News Allen School News - Allen School researchers bring first underwater messaging app to smartphones https://news.cs.washington.edu/2022/08/29/allen-school-researchers-bring-first-underwater-messaging-app-to-smartphones/ [14:57] TR Bot Allen School News Allen School researchers bring first underwater messaging app to smartphones [14:59] TR News "Social media is undoubtedly one way to get information, but it also presents a significant obstacle. It is very challenging to determine whether the opinion and input of a given account are valid or useful due to the anonymity of the account, doubts about whether the account is owned by a real person or a bot" https://analyticsindiamag.com/the-backend-of-indian-elections/ [14:59] TR Bot The Backend of Indian Elections [14:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 30.90 k/sec., IPFS upstream 101.60 average k/sec., average swarm size 113.63 ● Sep 25 [15:06] TR News More listening devices, more bugs, more Pentagon digging up dirt on everyone in the same of "smart", "assistants", etc. https://www.infoq.com/news/2022/09/amazon-lex-chatbot/ [15:07] TR Bot Amazon Is Adding Visual Conversation Builder for Amazon Lex [15:07] TR News GAFAM: subsidised by taxpayers... to violate the rights of those same taxpayers [15:08] TR News Angst over corruption watchdog, first Queens death, now fear of Dutton deal - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/a-corruption-watchdog-with-teeth-the-experts-tell-how/ Source: Michael West Media | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/a-corruption-watchdog-with-teeth-the-experts-tell-how/ [15:08] TR Bot Angst over corruption watchdog, first Queen's death, now fear of Dutton deal - Michael West [15:10] TR News What sort of sick government subsidises or bails out those who attack constituents, the citizens? The sort of government that helps them oppress the citizens, whom the government (or puppet therein) dislikes and distrusts... [15:10] *highest_cubist_thrills (~highest_cubist_thri@u7rbmzczvg554.irc) has joined #techrights [15:11] highest_cubist_thrills mjg59_: if you cared about real social justice, , you and I would be natural allies [15:11] highest_cubist_thrills i dont agree with that either [15:11] TR News Dear taxpayer, we the government need to spy on you even more (enter excuses like the children and terrorism), would you mind paying us some MORE money to spy on you even more? [15:11] highest_cubist_thrills but it would certainly be a start [15:12] TR News Groping at the airports (and soon bus stations) will persist until morale improves [15:14] TR News My Debian Activities in August 2022 https://blog.alteholz.eu/2022/09/my-debian-activities-in-august-2022/ [15:14] TR Bot Debian Activities in August 2022 blog.alteholz.eu [15:15] TR News Hello World Haskell https://blog.drewolson.org/hello-world-haskell [15:15] TR Bot Hello World Haskell [15:16] TR News "When should you reuse code and modify it to your requirements? When should you roll your own? There's no general answer to this question, but a few guidelines that I've picked up over the years." https://matt-rickard.com/when-to-roll-your-own-x [15:16] TR Bot When To Roll Your Own X [15:16] highest_cubist_thrills lol [15:16] TR News "If we will not endure a King as a political power we should not endure a King over the production, transportation, and sale of the necessaries of life." https://pluralistic.net/2022/09/15/prime-suspect/#consumer-welfare [15:16] TR Bot Pluralistic: 15 Sep 2022 Californias antitrust case against Amazon Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow [15:16] highest_cubist_thrills Sounds like you're saying it's ok to not be upset when someone dies [15:17] TR News "I fricking live technology. My house is full of gadgets, I've written code that's run all over the world, and I'm currently studying for an MSc in technology." https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/09/have-i-reached-the-douglas-adams-inflection-point-or-is-modern-tech-just-a-bit-rubbish/ [15:17] TR Bot Have I reached the Douglas Adams Inflection point (or is modern tech just a bit rubbish)? Terence Edens Blog [15:17] TR News "So, it was more than a feeling. We are terrible at labelling buttons. I understand that this can be confusing, because there are many different ways of getting the job done" https://www.matuzo.at/blog/2022/button-baader/ [15:17] TR Bot Buttons and the BaaderMeinhof phenomenon - Manuel Matuzovi [15:17] highest_cubist_thrills /me sees what mjg is doing here, but wont crack the code because its useful in other situations [15:17] *techuser has quit (connection closed) [15:18] TR News "This bug would have been caught using Circomspect, a new static analyzer for ZKPs that we are open-sourcing today." https://blog.trailofbits.com/2022/09/15/it-pays-to-be-circomspect/ [15:18] TR Bot It pays to be Circomspect | Trail of Bits Blog [15:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [15:20] highest_cubist_thrills people wanting to harm themselves = normal | redefined as "lifestyle choice" [15:20] highest_cubist_thrills im not familiar with this one, who is redefining self-harm as a "lifestyle choice" [15:21] highest_cubist_thrills or even what form of self-harm is being redefined as such? [15:21] TR News "The Valuable News weekly series is dedicated to provide summary about news, articles and other interesting stuff mostly but not always related to the UNIX or BSD systems. Whenever I stumble upon something worth mentioning on the Internet I just put it here." https://vermaden.wordpress.com/2022/09/05/valuable-news-2022-09-05/ [15:21] TR Bot Valuable News 2022/09/05 | [15:21] schestowitz[TR] highest_cubist_thrills: two trends: [15:21] schestowitz[TR] 1) over-medicating and over-diagning [15:22] schestowitz[TR] to sell pills and stuff [15:22] schestowitz[TR] that can in fact do mro0e harm than good [15:22] schestowitz[TR] 2) ignoring issues [15:22] schestowitz[TR] and classifying them as a new normalcy [15:22] schestowitz[TR] inc. covid-19 [15:23] TR News "In regard to social media use, the only winning move is to not play!" https://alexn.org/blog/2022/09/06/limiting-toxic-technology/ [15:23] TR Bot Limiting Toxic Technology - Alexandru Nedelcu [15:23] *techuser (~techuser@96edgz5vmr7za.irc) has joined #techrights [15:24] highest_cubist_thrills okay [15:24] TR News "Although this looks like a video game, I did not write any game code." http://madebyoll.in/posts/game_emulation_via_dnn [15:24] TR Bot Game Emulation via Neural Network [15:24] highest_cubist_thrills bbs is tricky it tends to assume modem connection <- not really [15:24] schestowitz[TR] can you elaborate? [15:24] schestowitz[TR] i still want to try bbs [15:24] highest_cubist_thrills in the latter days of the bbs, it was common to see them based on telnet [15:24] schestowitz[TR] looked into some sofwtare for it [15:24] schestowitz[TR] but it makes assumptions about the stack [15:24] schestowitz[TR] yes, telnet [15:24] highest_cubist_thrills for gemini theres an ssh connection you can get without credentials [15:24] schestowitz[TR] but that comes with its own jar of owmr [15:24] schestowitz[TR] worms [15:25] highest_cubist_thrills so that would be the modern equivalent [15:25] highest_cubist_thrills but that comes with its own jar of owm <- i just addressed that [15:25] schestowitz[TR] gemini is tls [15:25] schestowitz[TR] i accessed bbs from here [15:25] highest_cubist_thrills gemini is tls <- im a step ahead of you [15:25] schestowitz[TR] over telnet [15:25] schestowitz[TR] but opening that port outwards seem tricky and risky [15:26] TR News LOLOLOLOL!!! 1549 for a fu----ing "phone" https://chrishannah.me/iphone-13-to-14-price-increase/ [15:26] TR Bot iPhone 13 to 14 Price Increase [15:27] TR News Sorry, that's 1749! Even more. It increased in price... 200 pounds. A 15% increase almost. Apple cannot sell many products anymore. So it's milking the iDiots who buy these no matter what... [15:28] highest_cubist_thrills ssh is "just" modern telnet [15:28] highest_cubist_thrills theres a gemini-related service (proxy?) that uses ssh [15:28] TR News Apple used to say "think different" (ICBM was "think") but these days it teaches people just not to think at all [15:28] highest_cubist_thrills youve covered it, i dont know what the address is [15:28] highest_cubist_thrills you could do "bbs" that way [15:29] schestowitz[TR] that's not the same [15:29] schestowitz[TR] you use ssh [15:29] highest_cubist_thrills for everyone that can use an ssh client [15:29] schestowitz[TR] you connect to an open sssh proixy [15:29] highest_cubist_thrills that's not the same <- how is it different [15:29] schestowitz[TR] and then you can test clients on these [15:29] schestowitz[TR] it's a shell with limited sets of commands [15:29] schestowitz[TR] for bbs you can use telnet right now [15:29] highest_cubist_thrills it's a shell with limited sets of commands <- whats a shell [15:29] schestowitz[TR] but to operate bbs you need a set of tools [15:29] highest_cubist_thrills to operate bbs you need a set of tools <- [15:30] schestowitz[TR] for more than hell world and also colours, menus, games [15:30] highest_cubist_thrills whats a shell, roy [15:30] highest_cubist_thrills hint: /etc/shells [15:30] schestowitz[TR] let me get an up to date list of public bbs server... there's a site that hass a directory [15:31] schestowitz[TR] https://8bitboyz.com/bbs-directory/ [15:31] TR Bot BBS Directory | 8-Bit Boyz [15:31] highest_cubist_thrills why dont you skip the part where you try to disprove facts and get to the part where you learn new facts. [15:31] schestowitz[TR] http://www.bbscorner.com/usersinfo/bbslists.htm [15:31] TR Bot The BBS Corner - Lists of BBS Lists [15:31] schestowitz[TR] https://www.telnetbbsguide.com/ [15:31] TR Bot Home Page - Telnet BBS Guide [15:31] highest_cubist_thrills we have established that you can do bbs over telnet, yes? [15:31] schestowitz[TR] :~$ telnet oddnetwork.org [15:31] schestowitz[TR] try this.. [15:32] highest_cubist_thrills i know how telnet works. [15:32] highest_cubist_thrills i dont think you realise how it works. [15:32] highest_cubist_thrills but its simple enough to figure this out. [15:32] highest_cubist_thrills ill keep trying to get through to you for a minute. this is purely technical so theres at least a chance. [15:33] highest_cubist_thrills the main difference between telnet and ssh is that ssh is secure [15:33] highest_cubist_thrills fsvo secure [15:33] schestowitz[TR] hmmm "AnusCake BBS" [15:33] highest_cubist_thrills sounds delightful. [15:34] highest_cubist_thrills are you familiar with /etc/shells [15:34] highest_cubist_thrills have you ever modified it [15:35] schestowitz[TR] https://www.facebook.com/416274978767334/posts/gemini-bbs-why-choose-just-one-most-sets-come-in-two-colors-or-more-and-have-two/534223053639192/ [15:35] TR Bot Log into Facebook | Facebook [15:35] schestowitz[TR] lol [15:35] schestowitz[TR] photos of panties and bras [15:36] schestowitz[TR] "gemini vs bbs" [15:36] *horseface_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:37] highest_cubist_thrills you can put any interactive text program in /etc/shells <- not that you necessarily should [15:37] highest_cubist_thrills interactive [15:37] highest_cubist_thrills text program [15:37] highest_cubist_thrills a shell (bash ksh zsh) is an interactive text program [15:37] highest_cubist_thrills a bbs is an interactive text program [15:37] TR News Pseudoscience http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2022/09/the-multiverse-science-religion-or.html [15:37] TR Bot Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: The Multiverse: Science, Religion, or Pseudoscience? [15:38] highest_cubist_thrills before ssh existed, you could use telnet. [15:38] highest_cubist_thrills the benefits of an ssh connection (over telnet) when there is no password, youd have to ask someone who knows more about security. [15:39] highest_cubist_thrills the first thing i think of is that telnet clients probably arent as well maintained as ssh, but i guess thats up for debate. [15:39] highest_cubist_thrills there may be other advantages. [15:39] TR News "If you want a Top Level Domain which you can renew for a decade, the cheapest appears to be .feedback which costs a smidge under 13 for 10 years." https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/09/whats-the-cheapest-domain-you-can-register-for-10-years/ [15:39] TR Bot Whats the cheapest domain you can register for 10 years? Terence Edens Blog [15:39] highest_cubist_thrills for all i know, ssh provides the equivalent of ssl/tls regardless of password. but if theres no password, i mean [15:40] schestowitz[TR] cubexyz: https://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-09-05-rubik-s-cube-to-the-rescue.html [15:40] TR Bot Rubiks Cube to the Rescue - Bjrn Wrmedal [15:40] highest_cubist_thrills i dont know shit about that. maybe its trivial to eavesdrop on ssh if the password is default or known. [15:40] highest_cubist_thrills but i do know a second way to secure that connection that works. you wouldnt use it anyway. but its not related to LF. [15:41] highest_cubist_thrills nor LE. [15:41] frog nice sunday, re-implemented some sudo/doas utility, and it works, won't need any gnu-toolchain nor gnu-buildsystem dependency [15:41] highest_cubist_thrills at any rate, any service that uses telnet you should be able to simply run over ssh instead. [15:41] highest_cubist_thrills including a bbs. [15:41] highest_cubist_thrills because a bbs is just a shell. [15:41] frog it is noteworthy, how fast and simple programming can be, without GNU [15:42] highest_cubist_thrills if you think of it as anything else, youll miss the (very practical) point [15:42] highest_cubist_thrills practical because it makes it pretty easy for people to make their own bbs. [15:42] frog there is a song, without or without GNU, with or without GNU huhu [15:43] highest_cubist_thrills and since we all love text, and all hate the web [15:43] highest_cubist_thrills making a bbs does sound like fun [15:43] highest_cubist_thrills if only it was as simple as writing an interactive text program and adding it to /etc/shell [15:43] highest_cubist_thrills /etc/shells [15:43] highest_cubist_thrills oh wait, it pretty much is. then you just need to allow connections to it. [15:44] TR News "NNCP is one of those things that almost defies explanation. It is a toolkit for building asynchronous networks. It can use as a carrier: a pipe, TCP network connection, a mounted filesystem (specifically intended for cases like this), and much more." https://changelog.complete.org/archives/10421-dead-usb-drives-are-fine-building-a-reliable-sneakernet [15:44] TR Bot Dead USB Drives Are Fine: Building a Reliable Sneakernet | The Changelog [15:44] highest_cubist_thrills you can use telnet for that. personally i would use ssh for that. [15:44] schestowitz[TR] very serious problems: [15:44] schestowitz[TR] not many people use that [15:44] highest_cubist_thrills either way, its not tied to the phone line or modem. [15:44] schestowitz[TR] there is no url structure [15:45] highest_cubist_thrills not many people use that [15:45] schestowitz[TR] client access (not all gnu/linux distros have those) [15:45] highest_cubist_thrills client access (not all gnu/linux distros have those) <- are you suggesting theres a widely-used distro that is incapable of doing ssh? [15:45] schestowitz[TR] no, telnet [15:46] highest_cubist_thrills as for the fact that most people dont use bbs, most of them use the web. so just use the web then. [15:46] schestowitz[TR] you don't want a guest anon account for ssh [15:46] highest_cubist_thrills you don't want a guest anon account for ssh <- why not [15:46] schestowitz[TR] even most tlnet servers require you have an account [15:46] highest_cubist_thrills no, telnet <- why would you prefer telnet over ssh... [15:46] highest_cubist_thrills its just legacy ssh. [15:47] schestowitz[TR] bbs is legacy [15:47] highest_cubist_thrills its issh (insecure shell) [15:47] highest_cubist_thrills i thought you were interested in doing bbs. [15:47] highest_cubist_thrills because you said youre still interested in doing bbs. [15:47] schestowitz[TR] was [15:47] highest_cubist_thrills you "were" "still" interested. [15:48] highest_cubist_thrills okay [15:48] highest_cubist_thrills well, that was fun. [15:48] TR News "Because I like to paint I'm thinking about maybe painting something myself. It's a bit costly if I have to get all the materials, but if I do it at my mother's house I can use all of her stuff. She buys in bulk, being a hobbyist artist and all." https://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-08-30-spending-my-own-money-for-office-comfort.html [15:48] TR Bot Spending My Own Money for Office Comfort? - Bjrn Wrmedal [15:48] highest_cubist_thrills you dont want conventional solutions because you think (probably correctly) that theyre bullshit [15:49] highest_cubist_thrills but you also dont want unconventional solutions because theyre unconventional [15:49] TR News "The price of dairy milk is now at parity with oat-milk and soya-milk. Yes, I'm sure there are some things for which plant milk is unsuitable." https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/08/im-only-vegan-for-the-money/ [15:49] TR Bot Im only vegan for the money Terence Edens Blog [15:49] TR News "Even if you ignore all the environmental benefits of switching from cow-milk to plant-milk, it's hard to ignore the benefit to your bank balance." https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/08/im-only-vegan-for-the-money/ [15:49] highest_cubist_thrills the way things become conventions is by people using them [15:51] schestowitz[TR] telnet is not secure [15:51] schestowitz[TR] or not easy to secure [15:51] schestowitz[TR] bbs over ssh is not bbs [15:51] schestowitz[TR] and the back end bbs software is assuming lots of arcane stuff [15:51] schestowitz[TR] hence I mentions modems [15:51] highest_cubist_thrills its nto [15:51] highest_cubist_thrills but youre wrong though [15:51] schestowitz[TR] it's not documentation like, [15:51] schestowitz[TR] follow this steps on Debian 11... [15:52] schestowitz[TR] *these [15:52] highest_cubist_thrills okay, well [15:52] schestowitz[TR] ok, then [15:52] schestowitz[TR] prove me wrong [15:52] schestowitz[TR] set up a bbs server with m,enus and colours and stuff [15:52] schestowitz[TR] like neocities [15:52] highest_cubist_thrills the point of the phone connection is to provide terminal access over a modem. [15:52] highest_cubist_thrills the point of telnet is to do exactly the same over ip. [15:52] highest_cubist_thrills so that brings you forward from "phones and modems" [15:53] highest_cubist_thrills thats the first step. [15:53] highest_cubist_thrills but i dont actually recommend telnet [15:53] highest_cubist_thrills when bbs moved from phones to telnet-- it didnt stop being bbs [15:53] schestowitz[TR] https://www.hackster.io/news/bringing-a-1980s-bbs-back-to-life-with-the-raspberry-pi-e487e2a2e2ee [15:53] TR Bot a 1980s BBS Back to Life With the Raspberry Pi - Hackster.io [15:53] highest_cubist_thrills it was practically the same thing. [15:54] highest_cubist_thrills telnet and and ssh have even more in common than phone bbs and telnet bbs [15:54] *psydruid thinks it should be possible to implement a bbs clone using tls/ssh for the "modern" age [15:54] highest_cubist_thrills people do provide services (not many) over ssh. [15:54] highest_cubist_thrills its just modern telnet. [15:54] highest_cubist_thrills so to say bbs over ssh isnt bbs is [15:54] highest_cubist_thrills i mean its simply a fallacy [15:54] highest_cubist_thrills its like saying cherry ice cream isnt ice cream [15:54] psydruid nostalgia? [15:55] schestowitz[TR] last releasE: last xmas: http://www.mysticbbs.com/ [15:55] TR Bot Mystic BBS : Home [15:55] highest_cubist_thrills bbs over telnet or phone is certainly more traditional [15:55] highest_cubist_thrills but you can still do telnet if you want [15:55] highest_cubist_thrills you dont want. [15:56] highest_cubist_thrills so use something else. i recommend ssh because [15:56] highest_cubist_thrills its basically modern telnet. [15:57] highest_cubist_thrills set up a bbs server with m,enus and colours <- you realise that "colours" is just... [15:57] TR News RELEASE: The Yoyo of Zonk gemini://kdx.smol.pub/tyoz-release-2022-09-25 [15:58] highest_cubist_thrills echo "\033[32m Hi Welcome to our BBS!" [15:58] highest_cubist_thrills and "menus" is just [15:58] highest_cubist_thrills get input from the keyboard and branch accordingly [15:58] highest_cubist_thrills you could do it with a bash script and read. [15:59] highest_cubist_thrills id prefer python, you could also use perl. ● Sep 25 [16:00] highest_cubist_thrills theres your "bbs" [16:01] highest_cubist_thrills http://mysticbbs.com/features.html <- "TELNET, RLOGIN, and SSH servers allowing up to 250 simultaneous terminal users" [16:01] TR Bot Mystic BBS : Features [16:02] TR News "The oligarchs have spent decades abolishing or domesticating unions, turning the few unions that remain only 10.7 percent of the workforce is unionized into obsequious junior" https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/19/chris-hedges-strike-strike-strike/ [16:02] TR Bot Hedges: Strike, Strike, Strike scheerpost.com [16:03] *highest_cubist_thrills has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:03] *highest_cubist_thrills (~highest_cubist_thri@u7rbmzczvg554.irc) has joined #techrights [16:03] highest_cubist_thrills Embedded Python can be used to develop BBS modifications and games as an alternative to MPL [16:03] highest_cubist_thrills i mean you could do mystic [16:04] highest_cubist_thrills it sounds like a very complete package [16:05] highest_cubist_thrills im not sure mystic is under a free license [16:06] MinceR (cat) https://apina.biz/50614.jpg?mode=sfw [16:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-http://apina.biz/50614.jpg [16:12] TR News API as a package: Logging https://www.jumpingrivers.com/blog/api-as-a-package-logging/ [16:12] TR Bot API as a package: Logging [16:13] TR News "Ill spare the details, but as I eluded to on Wednesday, stuff is rubbish right now. Its the most challenging time since my late mum passed away, for a host of complicated or unavoidable reasons. At any given moment Im desperate, upset, blue, or frustrated." https://rubenerd.com/how-minds-process-bad-news/ [16:13] TR Bot How minds process bad news [16:16] TR News Gartner: Microsoft shills (and others' masquerading as "experts" when their real services are lying, lobbying, and ad hominem (mentioned in passing because some idiots still cite Gartner as if it's real advice) http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group [16:16] TR Bot Gartner Group - Techrights [16:17] TR News [PATCH v2 00/12] io-uring/btrfs: support async buffered writes - Stefan Roesch https://lore.kernel.org/linux-btrfs/20220908002616.3189675-1-shr@fb.com/ Source: kernel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/linux-btrfs/20220908002616.3189675-1-shr@fb.com/ [16:17] TR Bot [PATCH v2 00/12] io-uring/btrfs: support async buffered writes - Stefan Roesch [16:19] TR News "Or at least, what I look like if I deliver the prompt Jeff Geerling, realistic, photograph, sharp focus to Stable Diffusion, a machine learning, text-to-image model." So total BS? https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/jeff-geerling-stably-diffused [16:19] TR Bot Jeff Geerling, Stably Diffused | Jeff Geerling [16:19] TR News "Infinite Fluidity shows an almost seamless transition between different concepts. Where does one concept end and where does a new one start? Using stable diffusion to illustrate and to stimulate reflection." https://provos.org/index.php?/archives/160-Inifite-Fluidity-with-Stable-Diffusion.html [16:19] TR Bot Inifite Fluidity with Stable Diffusion | Niels Provos [16:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [16:25] TR News "I've been really enjoying myself neck-deep in Forth. After implementing the basics of a i386 Forth, to the point of being able to define new words and load files, I started digging through my pre-covid notes from my last Forth bender, and uncovered a bunch of forgotten treasures..." gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-09-25.unortho.gmi [16:26] highest_cubist_thrills Mystic BBS uses Cryptlib in order to perform the encryption for SSH and SSL-based servers and clients. This library will be automatically detected on server startup, or whenever an outbound SSH menu action is executed from the BBS itself. [16:26] highest_cubist_thrills outbound SSH menu action [16:27] highest_cubist_thrills Mystic BBS offers a SSH server that enables users to connect using securely using SSH to your BBS. [16:27] highest_cubist_thrills so yeah, i think its safe to say that ssh-based bbs isnt a new idea. [16:27] TR News Some new HTTP verbs https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/09/some-new-http-verbs/ [16:27] TR Bot Some new HTTP verbs Terence Edens Blog [16:28] highest_cubist_thrills probably just the easiest way (other than using an existing product, if you can find one under a free license) to create a bbs in a way that gets around things like "i really dont want to use telnet" [16:29] TR News "A few days ago I wrote a (now unpublished) article about how you can't express a certain problem I keep manuvering myself with Rust's lifetimes." http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2022/9/11/abstracting-over-ownership [16:29] highest_cubist_thrills and you probably dont want to use telnet. [16:29] TR Bot You Can't Do That: Abstracting over Ownership in Rust with Higher-Rank Type Bounds. Or Can You? | Armin Ronacher's Thoughts and Writings [16:29] highest_cubist_thrills but the option is there [16:30] TR News "Whether you knew this or not, you probably did know that mobile phones work with the next best thing to magic, which is physics" http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2022/09/the-trouble-with-5g.html [16:30] TR Bot Sabine Hossenfelder: Backreaction: The Trouble with 5G [16:32] TR News "In short, there's very little to stop a malicious actor from creating fake vouchers or re-using duplicate ones. And your rival could attempt to bankrupt you by offering excessive discounts which you are then obliged to cover." https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2022/09/my-shop-will-gladly-accept-a-rival-shops-discount-coupons/ [16:32] TR Bot My shop will gladly accept a competitors discount coupons Terence Edens Blog [16:33] *horseface (~horseface@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [16:33] TR News Mozilla dropped the ball https://alexn.org/blog/2022/09/01/impressions-on-chrome-brave/ [16:33] TR Bot Impressions on Web Browsers - Alexandru Nedelcu [16:36] TR News "as George Carlin put it, people spending money they dont have, on stuff they dont need, to impress people they dont like. How much of our economy would collapse overnight if people didnt overextend themselves?" https://rubenerd.com/the-pushback-against-decluttering/ [16:36] TR Bot The pushback against decluttering [16:37] highest_cubist_thrills It is important to understand that commands are not executed from bash when Mystic runs them, they are executing the system shell. In other words, if you want to test a command line you should test it accordingly outside of Mystic by executing: /bin/sh -c to see if it works. [16:38] highest_cubist_thrills In the Linux and macOS versions, Mystic automatically redirects the standard input and output of external programs, allowing many programs that are not even designed for BBSes to be used. [16:38] highest_cubist_thrills a python program could do that as well [16:38] TR News "Union Minister of State for Home Nityanand Rai said that according to details provided by the Ministry of External Affairs, individuals renounced Indian citizenship for reasons personal to them and took citizenship in over 120 countries." https://www.newsclick.in/parliament-today-3.92-lakh-indians-gave-up-citizenship-past-3-years-govt [16:38] TR Bot Parliament Today: 3.92 Lakh Indians Gave up Citizenship in Past 3 Years, Says Govt | NewsClick [16:38] highest_cubist_thrills for example, if you wanted a user to be able to edit a file [16:38] highest_cubist_thrills you could call a separate program for that [16:39] schestowitz[TR] interestiing, maybe something to look at over xmas/ny [16:40] highest_cubist_thrills of course ive done it before. i first experimented with ssh-based bbs ten years ago [16:41] highest_cubist_thrills usually when i have these ideas, unbeknownst to me, someone is already working on it. [16:41] highest_cubist_thrills i thought it would be really cool to have cpus you could program to act like other cpus. [16:41] highest_cubist_thrills fpgas were already being worked on. [16:41] TR News "Similarly, much of the 2000s discourse around social media and web 2.0 was also imbued with a dogged sense of hope and enthusiasm. [...] Tech For Good as a mis-reading of ethics?" https://criticaledtech.com/2022/09/16/whats-not-good-with-tech-for-good-notes-on-radhakrishnan-powell-et-al/ [16:41] highest_cubist_thrills i thought it would be really cool to have bbs over ssh [16:41] TR Bot Whats not good with Tech For Good? (notes on Radhakrishnan and Powell et al.) Critical Studies of EDUCATION & TECHNOLOGY [16:42] highest_cubist_thrills its been done. [16:42] highest_cubist_thrills idk when the first one was, but i consider the idea obvious enough. [16:42] highest_cubist_thrills ssh is just modern telnet. [16:43] TR News "When you enable the GZip compression module in Apache, it will actually append a little -gzip suffix to the end of these generated hash values for the ETags." https://austingil.com/apache-gzip-etags-edge-compute/ [16:43] TR Bot Fixing Obscure Bugs: Apache, GZip, ETags, & Edge Compute [16:43] highest_cubist_thrills note that to do ssh, mystic requires users to have an account and password [16:44] highest_cubist_thrills thats probably the best way to do it, but the reason i mentioned the gemini service is that i believe its passwordless [16:44] schestowitz[TR] ssh is different in its purpose [16:44] schestowitz[TR] to a web site for instance [16:44] highest_cubist_thrills youre thinking in terms of products, not technology [16:44] highest_cubist_thrills its like im telling you that lasers can be used in surgery [16:45] schestowitz[TR] it's like serving over ftp a webapp [16:45] schestowitz[TR] it is doable [16:45] highest_cubist_thrills and youre saying lasers are different, theyre for communications. [16:45] highest_cubist_thrills well yeah, they can be. [16:45] schestowitz[TR] ftp is for file sharing in some sense [16:45] highest_cubist_thrills lets say i was you, and i wanted to make a bbs [16:46] schestowitz[TR] but usually one-way, although it was common the have uploads in the old days [16:46] highest_cubist_thrills the first thing i would do is make the text-only version of tr available by year / month / date / article [16:46] schestowitz[TR] with bbs linking would be hard [16:46] schestowitz[TR] it's not gemtexct [16:46] highest_cubist_thrills i see what you mean [16:46] schestowitz[TR] the articles have links in them [16:47] schestowitz[TR] automating navigatioin for 24k posts would be hard [16:47] schestowitz[TR] 34k [16:47] schestowitz[TR] and then i'[m not sure how well konsole deals with external (http) links [16:48] schestowitz[TR] gopher has a file structure [16:48] schestowitz[TR] also not great [16:49] highest_cubist_thrills automating navigatioin for 24k posts would be hard <- not if theyre in folders by year / month / day [16:50] highest_cubist_thrills but links would be very tricky [16:50] highest_cubist_thrills because once you implement that, you have two issues [16:50] highest_cubist_thrills i mean with a bbs everything is server side [16:50] highest_cubist_thrills not client side [16:51] highest_cubist_thrills so any links you go to would be fetched from YOUR server [16:51] highest_cubist_thrills the technological way to do linking is trivial [16:51] highest_cubist_thrills install elinks. but now... people can use elinks to go anywhere [16:51] highest_cubist_thrills from YOUR server [16:51] highest_cubist_thrills you could hack elinks to restrict it... [16:51] highest_cubist_thrills but then, only to what? [16:52] highest_cubist_thrills only to sites that tr links to? [16:52] highest_cubist_thrills you see the issue there. [16:52] highest_cubist_thrills personally i wouldnt bother supporting links [16:52] highest_cubist_thrills id just make it so it said for example [16:52] highest_cubist_thrills for linking to https://zdnet.co.uk [16:52] highest_cubist_thrills it would literally just say: [16:52] TR Bot connect to zdnet.co.uk:443; Operation now in progress ( status 0 @ https://zdnet.co.uk ) [16:52] highest_cubist_thrills https://zdnet.co.uk [16:53] highest_cubist_thrills let the user worry about how to get to that address [16:53] highest_cubist_thrills dont provide it as part of the bbs [16:53] highest_cubist_thrills but for other articles [16:53] highest_cubist_thrills you have a choice [16:53] highest_cubist_thrills do you make it possible to navigate to other articles [16:54] highest_cubist_thrills or do you simply give the year / month / day name [16:55] highest_cubist_thrills bbs works best for information that is local [16:55] immibis_ highest_cubist_thrills: I'd be surprised if ssh *required* a password, though it is possible, what with the mandatory security theatre nowadays [16:55] highest_cubist_thrills anything that takes you outside of the bbs... [16:55] highest_cubist_thrills normally you log off the bbs first. thats traditional. [16:56] highest_cubist_thrills its also trivial to implement [16:56] highest_cubist_thrills if you want your bbs to serve information from outside of itself, thats less trivial. [16:56] highest_cubist_thrills maybe even foolish [16:57] highest_cubist_thrills i dont doubt that someone has done it-- you may or may not want to. i think it would be a poor choice. [16:57] MinceR https://files.explosm.net/comics/Dave/countingsheep.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/dave-countingsheep#comic ) [16:57] TR Bot & Happiness (Explosm.net) [16:59] immibis_ apparently SSH supports PAM so you could use a dummy module that accepts everything [16:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 25.68 k/sec., IPFS upstream 81.68 average k/sec., average swarm size 122.36 ● Sep 25 [17:05] highest_cubist_thrills thats less trivial. <- its easy to do [17:06] highest_cubist_thrills but not so easy in a way that prevents your bbs from becoming a proxy to the entire web [17:07] highest_cubist_thrills you can use wget -O- or curl or even urllib (the latter will disappoint you) [17:07] highest_cubist_thrills you can even use a full text browser like elinks [17:07] highest_cubist_thrills but everything is fetched from YOUR connection as well as the users [17:09] highest_cubist_thrills so youre letting every user surf the web from your internet connection [17:09] highest_cubist_thrills all the more reason to focus on things that are stored locally [17:09] highest_cubist_thrills thats what bbs is traditionally for [17:10] highest_cubist_thrills people also use bbs to create information [17:10] highest_cubist_thrills so people can message each other on the system or participate in a "forum" [17:10] highest_cubist_thrills this requires moderation [17:11] highest_cubist_thrills otherwise you log on to the bbs and find that herr doctor has created stormfront bbs [17:11] highest_cubist_thrills so do you want to make it so people can run forums? idk [17:12] highest_cubist_thrills interaction between users is a pretty standard bbs feature [17:12] highest_cubist_thrills but its not like theres a law that says bbs has to provide that [17:12] highest_cubist_thrills once you understand that bbs is just a shell, and that most if not all features are server side [17:13] highest_cubist_thrills you decide what features you want [17:13] highest_cubist_thrills i doubt youll want outgoing links though. [17:14] highest_cubist_thrills and im sure youd want it to do more than just be another tr mirror [17:14] highest_cubist_thrills thats just a place to start [17:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [17:29] *psydruid has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:31] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [17:34] *kiki_ has quit (connection closed) [17:35] *KiKi_ (~KiKi@c53wmwbdesx7c.irc) has joined #techrights [17:48] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [17:55] immibis_ highest_cubist_thrills: see also MUDs ● Sep 25 [18:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [18:20] starstreak immibis_, I was just playing Legend of the Red Dragon on a BBS [18:21] starstreak i use bbses btw [18:36] *starstreak has quit (Quit: Leaving) [18:37] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [18:41] starstreak sssssssssstarstreak [18:46] MinceR do you know of a console file manager that can still handle zip files, unlike mc? [18:48] starstreak no [18:48] MinceR great [18:49] MinceR i'm fucking sick of this IT industry [18:49] MinceR and i'm fucking sick of humanity [18:50] starstreak TIL that mc handles zip [18:50] starstreak TIL that mc can explore the contents of a zip, and an iso inside of a zip [18:53] MinceR it used to handle zip [18:53] starstreak it still does [18:53] MinceR now it either has the browser "download" it, or it just does nothing [18:54] starstreak maybe you're missing a library or a plugin [18:55] starstreak My version of mc is 4.8.28 [18:55] MinceR the uzip executable is right there [18:55] MinceR zip and unzip are installed [18:56] starstreak what version of mc? [18:56] starstreak you can find out by going to help [18:57] MinceR void's mc is 4.8.28_1, devuan's mc is 4.8.26 [18:57] starstreak i got 4.8.28 and mine handles zip [18:57] MinceR maybe mc is like qemu and gnome now, and is being developed in reverse [18:57] starstreak i was even able to explore the contents of an iso inside a zip [18:58] MinceR "this week we'll break setting vnc passwords and zip handling" [18:58] starstreak i think its user error, sorry to say [18:58] MinceR yeah, you pressed the enter key in a slightly different angle [18:58] MinceR i don't know what the fuck i expected of you [18:58] starstreak lol [18:58] starstreak maybe mc now depends on systemd-zip [18:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 16.61 k/sec., IPFS upstream 94.55 average k/sec., average swarm size 112.38 ● Sep 25 [19:00] MinceR and of course web search engines are also fucking useless now [19:04] *KiKi_ has quit (Quit: Leaving) [19:09] frog midnight commander depends on GNU glib, and i do miss it, mc [19:09] MinceR it wouldn't even start if i didn't have glib [19:10] MinceR nnn and fff have the same idiotic behavior with zip files [19:10] frog tried noice and nnn too, and then removed it... had to dig inside the sources, and found the quality was slightly irritating [19:11] starstreak im guessing it has to do with xdg-open [19:11] MinceR i'll have to set up a fucking VM with a GNU/Linux distro from 2000 so i can have tools that work at all [19:11] MinceR yeah, "free"desktop people can go fuck themselves [19:11] MinceR what i don't get is why these piles of shit insist on using xdg-open by default [19:12] starstreak the latest mc does open zip files, just not on your system [19:12] MinceR when at least one of them literally has a fucking VFS built in with zip support [19:13] starstreak they started using xdg-open over 9 years ago [19:13] frog midnight commander encourages a non-unix workflow, besides glib/gnu that's another problem [19:15] TR News How to trigger services restart after OpenBSD update gemini://perso.pw/blog/articles/openbsd-reboot-syspatch.gmi [19:17] TR News "I'm confident that motivation arrive at some point. I just need to distract myself until it does, and stop letting myself feeling bad about it." gemini://apintandaparma.club/~ajc/log/2022-09-25.gmi [19:17] MinceR afaict i don't have an association for application/zip at all [19:17] highest_cubist_thrills yeah, "free"desktop people can go fuck themselves <- if they did it would require more libraries than x, and they would still say its too much unmaintained/unmaintainable code [19:17] highest_cubist_thrills funny how they always replace such things with more [19:18] MinceR funny how "unmaintained" only bothers them when it isn't theirs [19:18] MinceR meanwhile deadian has forced systemd on users for 7 years and it still doesn't fucking work properly [19:19] TR News Pay For LibreOffice? - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Hk6Sy90hnj4 | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/Hk6Sy90hnj4 [19:19] TR Bot Pay For LibreOffice? - Invidious [19:19] MinceR fedora has forced systemd on users for 11 years and it still doesn't fucking work properly [19:19] highest_cubist_thrills meanwhile deadian has forced systemd on users for 7 years and it still doesn't fucking work properly <- debateable [19:19] highest_cubist_thrills if not working properly is the actual point [19:19] highest_cubist_thrills then its working EXTREMELY well [19:19] MinceR what's the point of maintaining software, then? [19:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [19:20] highest_cubist_thrills to make money for the third reich [19:20] MinceR what's the point of whining about the code of /usr/bin/false not being changed every month? [19:20] MinceR or maybe it's /bin/false [19:20] highest_cubist_thrills its not about software, its about ca$h [19:20] frog lol [19:20] MinceR it's not about engineering, it's about propaganda and control [19:20] highest_cubist_thrills ls: /bin/false: No such file or directory [19:20] highest_cubist_thrills :) [19:21] highest_cubist_thrills oh ok [19:21] highest_cubist_thrills /usr/bin/false [19:21] highest_cubist_thrills /me didnt get much sleep [19:22] highest_cubist_thrills The false utility always exits with a non-zero exit code. [19:22] highest_cubist_thrills man false [19:22] highest_cubist_thrills man false, another man ryse [19:22] TR News Too much for "hello world" https://bkhome.org/news/202209/rust-hello-world-reduced-to-31kb.html [19:22] TR Bot Rust Hello World reduced to 31KB [19:23] highest_cubist_thrills it's about propaganda and control <- but now its called free software [19:23] highest_cubist_thrills thanks richard! [19:23] highest_cubist_thrills join us now and share the propaganda [19:23] highest_cubist_thrills youll be controlled, users! youll be... controllllllled! [19:24] highest_cubist_thrills developers may have lots of source code, that is true, users, that is true [19:24] highest_cubist_thrills but it will all be taken over by ibm [19:24] TR News WSL is back door. AWS has back door. This isn't something you can secure. You're obviously clueless if you do this. https://kerneltalks.com/tools/securing-aws-credentials-in-wsl-using-aws-vault/ [19:24] highest_cubist_thrills evermore, users, evermore! [19:24] TR Bot Securing AWS credentials in WSL using aws-vault - Kernel Talks [19:24] TR News Best Steam Deck Games Released in the Past Week - 2022-09-26 Edition - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/best-steam-deck-games-in-past-week-2022-09-26/ Source: Boiling Steam | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//boilingsteam.com/best-steam-deck-games-in-past-week-2022-09-26/ [19:24] TR Bot Best Steam Deck Games Released in the Past Week - 2022-09-26 Edition - Boiling Steam [19:25] TR News Get ready for a pink adventure https://www.scummvm.org/news/20220925/ [19:25] TR Bot ScummVM :: Home [19:26] TR News course change for Kephra | lichtkind [blogs.perl.org] http://blogs.perl.org/users/lichtkind/2022/09/course-change-for-kephra.html Source: Perl | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?http%3A//blogs.perl.org/users/lichtkind/2022/09/course-change-for-kephra.html [19:26] TR Bot change for Kephra | lichtkind [blogs.perl.org] [19:27] frog GNU has quality issues, beginning with their toolchain, buildsystem and the bootstrapping of it [19:27] TR News Perl Weekly Challenge 182: Unique Array and Date Difference http://blogs.perl.org/users/laurent_r/2022/09/perl-weekly-challenge-182-unique-array-and-date-difference.html [19:27] TR Bot Weekly Challenge 182: Unique Array and Date Difference | laurent_r [blogs.perl.org] [19:27] TR News pgmoneta 0.6 https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pgmoneta-06-2514/ [19:27] TR Bot PostgreSQL: pgmoneta 0.6 [19:27] *highest_cubist_thrills has quit (connection closed) [19:28] TR News "The pgexporter community is happy to announce version 0.3.0." https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pgexporter-03-2513/ [19:28] TR Bot PostgreSQL: pgexporter 0.3 [19:28] frog today, by removing sudo/doas and re-implementing some suckless variant, i can remove yacc/bison [19:29] frog just a tiny little piece, the dependencies of this [19:30] frog in my tcc-toolchain devdrop build, there isn't any GNU bison anymore, since i removed doas utility [19:31] frog full removal of autoconf/automake and any dependency which ships with a configure.ac is another huge milestone [19:31] TR News (NEW): NewsFlash RSS Reader Has Been Ported to GTK 4 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/NewsFlash_RSS_Reader_Has_Been_Ported_to_GTK_4.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/NewsFlash_RSS_Reader_Has_Been_Ported_to_GTK_4.gmi [19:31] TR Bot Tux Machines NewsFlash RSS Reader Has Been Ported to GTK 4 [19:32] frog https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/systemd-support-is-now-available-in-wsl/ [19:32] TR Bot Systemd support is now available in WSL! - Windows Command Line [19:32] frog schestowitz[TR]: there is only one worse thing than MICROS~1, it is MICROS~1 being the copyright holder of GNU [19:33] TR News (NEW): PostgreSQL: pgexporter 0.3 and pgmoneta 0.6 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/PostgreSQL_pgexporter_0_3_and_pgmoneta_0_6.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/PostgreSQL_pgexporter_0_3_and_pgmoneta_0_6.gmi [19:33] TR Bot Tux Machines PostgreSQL: pgexporter 0.3 and pgmoneta 0.6 [19:34] TR News (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/today_s_howtos.1.gmi [19:34] TR Bot Tux Machines today's howtos [19:39] starstreak I am prepared for Gnome 43: https://i.imgur.com/ymfjQdB.png [19:40] starstreak I got an addon that let me add "Open in Gnome-Terminal" [19:42] MinceR turns out there was something special about that zip file that made something decide "i know, i'll just run xdg-open on it, that's a good trick!" [19:43] starstreak bad zip file? [19:43] MinceR i made a simpler test file and it worked fine [19:43] MinceR not really bad, far.exe opens it fine [19:43] MinceR (except for all the error messages from wine fucking up the ui) [19:43] starstreak told ya, mc does open zip [19:43] MinceR i also made a 7z file and that works fine in mc [19:43] starstreak nice [19:43] starstreak 7z is my favourite [19:44] MinceR there's something deeply sick about this industry when the natural response to a VFS being unable to deal with a zip file is "hey, just open it with xdg-open" [19:52] TR News LibreOffice Writer: Mail Merge Made Easy https://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2022/09/libreoffice-writer-mail-merge-made-easy.html Source: Ubuntubuzz | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.ubuntubuzz.com/2022/09/libreoffice-writer-mail-merge-made-easy.html [19:52] TR Bot LibreOffice Writer: Mail Merge Made Easy [19:54] starstreak i use netscape 3.04 btw: https://i.imgur.com/WDpbVrf.png [19:56] TR News From one piece of spyware to another https://danielmiessler.com/blog/using-custom-searches-in-safari/ [19:56] TR Bot Using Custom Searches in Safari - Daniel Miessler ● Sep 25 [20:07] TR News British Government Stops Properly Reporting How Many COVID-19 Patients Are Admitted to Hospital and Die (as Winter Approaches and Numbers Already Goes Up) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/25/no-data-no-problems/ [20:07] TR News (NEW): LibreOffice Mail Merge and Fee http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/LibreOffice_Mail_Merge_and_Fee.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/LibreOffice_Mail_Merge_and_Fee.gmi [20:07] TR Bot Blog Archive British Government Stops Properly Reporting How Many COVID-19 Patients Are Admitted to Hospital and Die (as Winter Approaches and Numbers Already Goes Up) [20:07] TR Bot Tux Machines LibreOffice Mail Merge and Fee [20:08] TR News E52: Learnings from Chef & the Future of Open Source https://anchor.fm/ossstartuppodcast/episodes/E52-Learnings-from-Chef--the-Future-of-Open-Source-e1o4c0l [20:08] TR Bot E52: Learnings from Chef & the Future of Open Source by Open Source Startup Podcast [20:09] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:10] *starstreak_win311 (~ender.shepard@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [20:10] TR News Perks? It's proprietary software, it's a prison, and it is controlled by criminals (Microsoft) https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/09/github-the-perks-of-collaboration-and-version-control/ [20:10] TR Bot The Perks of Collaboration and Version Control | R-bloggers [20:10] schestowitz[TR] hi starstreak [20:10] schestowitz[TR] you look like a teen now [20:11] starstreak hi schestowitz[TR] [20:11] starstreak i look like a teen? [20:12] schestowitz[TR] starstreak_win311 [20:12] schestowitz[TR] early 90s... joke [20:12] starstreak :) [20:12] starstreak win311 is more functional than fvwm [20:12] schestowitz[TR] what are you doing on that virtual thing anyway? minesweeper? [20:13] *starstreak_win311 has quit (Quit: Leaving) [20:13] starstreak i was fixing the sound card settings [20:13] *techuser (~techuser@mqg56cjgz7c4u.irc) has joined #techrights [20:14] TR News "We are proud to announce the first alpha release of PowerDNS Recursor 4.8.0." https://blog.powerdns.com/2022/09/23/first-alpha-release-of-powerdns-recursor-4-8-0/ [20:14] TR Bot First Alpha Release of PowerDNS Recursor 4.8.0 | PowerDNS Blog [20:14] TR News Why the Online News Act is a Bad Solution to a Real Problem, Part Four: Undermining Canadian Copyright Law and International Copyright Treaty Obligations https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2022/09/why-the-online-news-act-is-a-bad-solution-to-a-real-problem-part-four/ [20:15] TR Bot Why the Online News Act is a Bad Solution to a Real Problem, Part Four: Undermining Canadian Copyright Law and International Copyright Treaty Obligations - Michael Geist [20:15] TR News "Per typical ROS-I meetings, it started with an update on general ROS-I open source project/program updates." https://rosindustrial.org/news/2022/9/22/fall-2022-ros-i-community-meeting-happenings [20:15] TR Bot Fall 2022 ROS-I Community Meeting Happenings ROS-Industrial [20:18] TR News "Mandiant is tracking multiple self-proclaimed hacktivist groups working in support of Russian interests. These groups have primarily conducted distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attacks and leaked stolen data from victim organizations." https://www.mandiant.com/resources/blog/gru-rise-telegram-minions [20:18] TR Bot Rise of the (Telegram) MinIOns | Mandiant [20:19] TR News liam_on_linux | On the strange joys of mainframe OSes and legacy tech that has survived into modern times https://liam-on-linux.dreamwidth.org/86995.html Source: Liam Proven | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//liam-on-linux.dreamwidth.org/86995.html [20:19] TR Bot liam_on_linux | On the strange joys of mainframe OSes and legacy tech that has survived into modern times [20:20] TR News (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Android_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Android_Leftovers.1.gmi [20:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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The basis for this story was pure reasoning: "What circumstances could have given us money?"" https://pluralistic.net/2022/09/16/nondiscretionary-liabilities/#quatloos [20:23] TR Bot Pluralistic: 16 Sep 2022 Moneylike Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow [20:24] TR News "Here are my cynical thoughts about some common ones." https://xeiaso.net/blog/push-2fa-considered-harmful [20:24] starstreak the network card was working but it was using the same IRQ as the sound card, so sound wasn't working [20:24] TR Bot Push notification two-factor auth considered harmful - Xe [20:24] TR News A minimal distributed key-value database with Hashicorp's Raft library | notes.eatonphil.com https://notes.eatonphil.com/minimal-key-value-store-with-hashicorp-raft.html Source: Stefano Marinelli | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//notes.eatonphil.com/minimal-key-value-store-with-hashicorp-raft.html [20:24] TR Bot minimal distributed key-value database with Hashicorp's Raft library | notes.eatonphil.com [20:25] MinceR apparently starstreak uses a different windows, a different fvwm or both from the ones i know [20:25] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:26] TR News "For those who havent heard of him, D.B. Cooper, as the press dubbed him, successfully hijacked a Boeing 727 in 1971, and parachuted out the planes rear airstairs mid-flight with millions of dollars. The man, and most of the money, have never been found." https://rubenerd.com/pg-morgan-discusses-db-cooper/ [20:26] TR Bot P.G. Morgans insights into D.B. Cooper [20:26] TR News "To uncover the answers to these questions requires intelligence collection and analysis." https://gru.gq/2022/09/17/quantified-failure/ [20:26] TR Bot Quantified Failure [20:27] TR News For dumb, gullible, insecure, 'consumers' https://staceyoniot.com/adding-smarts-to-a-garage-door-isnt-always-ideal/ [20:27] TR Bot Adding smarts to a garage door isn't always ideal - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis [20:28] TR News Sadly, Debian outsourced the CI to it, so the NSA has leverage over Debian now https://matt-rickard.com/google-infra-for-everyone-else [20:28] TR Bot Google Infra For Everyone Else in 2022 [20:29] TR News Making Web site based on the false assumption everyone is a dumb consumer with "Apple"-branded PC https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/font-family-and-supports/ [20:29] TR Bot Font Family and @supports - Jim Nielsens Blog [20:30] TR News "I got a Ledger Nano X hardware cryptocurrency wallet." Sounds like a bunch of bullshit tbh. https://xeiaso.net/blog/trying-to-use-security-token [20:30] TR Bot My new, weird smartcard and how I learned to use it - Xe [20:31] TR News "There may even be a return of support for big-endian, at least for 64-bit Power (32-bit Power to be considered), as well as Chimera's core support for ppc64le, aarch64 and x86_64 (with 64-bit RISC-V coming)." https://www.talospace.com/2022/09/void-ppc-goes-chimera-and-bust.html [20:31] TR Bot Void PPC goes Chimera (and bust) [20:31] TR News Authenticated SMTP and IMAP authentication attacks and attempts we see here https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/sysadmin/AuthSMTPAndIMAPAttemptsHere [20:31] TR Bot Chris's Wiki :: blog/sysadmin/AuthSMTPAndIMAPAttemptsHere [20:31] starstreak MinceR, thats fair, i used fvwm on openbsd [20:32] starstreak i actually went looking for screenshots of fvwm and it looks like you can configure it to look like anything [20:32] starstreak thats pretty swank [20:32] MinceR not just look like anything [20:32] MinceR behavior is also very configurable [20:32] MinceR for example, i put a resize button in the top left corner (in the title bar) [20:33] TR News "It warns that bulk retention may reveal habits of everyday life, permanent or temporary places of residence, daily or other movements, the activities carried out, the social relationships of those persons and the social environments frequented by them." https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/data-retention-ruling-lets-free-europe-from-mass-surveillance-and-general-suspicion/ [20:33] TR Bot Data retention ruling: Lets free Europe from mass surveillance and general suspicion! Patrick Breyer [20:35] *techuser (~techuser@ecz2t3b69tp9n.irc) has joined #techrights [20:36] TR News Queen Elizabeth and King Rupert: seven decades of exercising soft power and hard https://michaelwest.com.au/queen-elizabeth-and-king-rupert-seven-decades-of-exercising-soft-power-and-hard/ [20:36] TR Bot Queen Elizabeth and King Rupert: seven decades of exercising soft power and hard - Michael West [20:36] starstreak MinceR, yeah thats pretty cool tbh [20:36] TR News "Ill be turning my attention to the Prohibition Orcs copyedits next. Then its back to the Epic Giant Fiction Project, and another tech book, title TBA." https://mwl.io/archives/22303 [20:36] TR Bot OpenBSD Mastery: Filesystems draft done! Michael W Lucas [20:37] TR News "My brain is going offline until next Tuesday to show respect during the Necroqueen's procession into the Western Lands." http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2022/09/necroqueen.html [20:37] TR Bot Necroqueen! - Charlie's Diary [20:38] TR News Microsoft is not social. Proprietary software is NOT social. CRIME IS NOT SOCIAL. https://matt-rickard.com/social-coding [20:38] TR Bot Social Coding [20:39] TR News "GitLab, which among other things, is GitHub but de-emphasizes the social features it's more likely to be deployed on-prem and overall has significantly fewer consumer public users and projects. GitLab's current market cap is $8.5b (GitHub was acquired by Microsoft in 2019 for $7.5b)." https://matt-rickard.com/social-coding [20:39] TR News "split-overlap.py is a tool to split a binary file in parts of a given size." https://blog.didierstevens.com/2022/09/18/new-tool-split-overlap-py/ [20:39] TR Bot New Tool: split-overlap.py | Didier Stevens [20:40] TR News Disentangling the Facts From the Hype of Quantum Computing https://spectrum.ieee.org/ieee-quantum-week [20:40] TR Bot Disentangling the Facts From the Hype of Quantum Computing - IEEE Spectrum [20:41] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@4ezhkt94yncuu.irc) has joined #techrights [20:41] TR News It's Just a Tarball https://matt-rickard.com/its-just-a-tarball [20:41] TR Bot It's Just a Tarball [20:43] TR News Earthquakes seem to come in a more predictable pattern than we thought https://www.newscientist.com/article/2334746-earthquakes-seem-to-come-in-a-more-predictable-pattern-than-we-thought/ [20:43] TR Bot Earthquakes seem to come in a more predictable pattern than we thought | New Scientist [20:46] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], I just recompiled the Opus binaries. Things haven't changed much since 1.3.1 was out as far as the CELT/SILK encoder goes. [20:46] DaemonFC Almost all of the recent improvements have been minor and on the SILK layer, which you generally don't use at bitrates appropriate for music. [20:47] DaemonFC If you'll be using it for speech coding, perhaps you'd build from latest git. [20:48] DaemonFC I think at this point it really mostly is what it is and does what it does. [20:49] DaemonFC It reached that point faster than MP3 did. Probably because the MP3 format was so poorly designed and the attempt was to obscure how it really worked to the greatest extent possible while still getting an ISO standard. [20:49] DaemonFC Like Microsoft Office. [20:49] DaemonFC Which mjg59_'s friend still praises even though Microsoft got rid of him. [20:52] *horseface has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:54] DaemonFC I'm still glad that I could help the effort to reverse engineer MP3 and undermine FhG's attempts to sell software encoders. It became obvious that people were going to use it and the least we could do was make the best of the format to sabotage FhG's revenue on the encoder side. If nobody developed Free alternatives that anyone wanted to use it would have given FhG many millions in additional revenue and the pirates would have been happy to use [20:54] DaemonFC whatever software they could get their hands on to proliferate the format, exactly like the RAR problem. [20:54] DaemonFC That probably would have been the Thomson encoders for extensions that never caught on, which of course had modes to create normal MP3s. [20:55] DaemonFC We saw this happen with AAC. [20:55] DaemonFC Not having a good Free alternative didn't lead to a complete rejection of the format. There are still people downloading Nero's abandoned proprietary encoder and making new ones with that. [20:56] DaemonFC So I think you come down too harshly on what LibreOffice is doing with MS XML. [20:56] schestowitz[TR] ooml [20:56] schestowitz[TR] moox [20:56] DaemonFC If nobody was implementing MSXML then people would still use it. They'd just resort to paying Microsoft for it, or figuring out how to crack a proprietary program that could deal with them, which Microsoft is also okay with because marketshare. [20:57] schestowitz[TR] there is no ms xml [20:57] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], We should refuse to call it what they want us to, I think. [20:57] schestowitz[TR] OOXML [20:57] DaemonFC If you call it OOXML, it just helps their "open" propaganda work. [20:57] schestowitz[TR] ohoh [20:57] DaemonFC There's nothing open about it. [20:57] schestowitz[TR] they don't call it that [20:58] schestowitz[TR] they calll it openxml [20:58] DaemonFC They want to muddy the waters with "language". [20:58] TR News "I don't feel as strongly as the authors do about RSS, although I've collected my thoughts on RSS." https://matt-rickard.com/standards-protocols-platforms [20:58] TR Bot Standards, Protocols, and Platforms [20:58] DaemonFC Instead, we should provide a short explainer at the top and then refuse to go along with their language. [20:58] TR News "screening could be much broader, for example it could be used to suppress political debate or to target opposition figures, journalists and human rights defenders." https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/un-human-rights-commissioner-warns-against-chat-control/ [20:58] TR Bot UN Human Rights Commissioner warns against chat control Patrick Breyer [20:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 13.28 k/sec., IPFS upstream 157.83 average k/sec., average swarm size 114.68 [20:59] DaemonFC Calling "OOXML" open is like calling rape "sex that is wanted" because the rapist wants it. ● Sep 25 [21:00] DaemonFC From a certain angle, saying rape is wanted sex is correct, because the person committing the crime wants it. And from the same sort of angle, MS OOXML is open. [21:00] TR News Getting several pieces of MALWARE from MICROSOFT at the same time https://geshan.com.np/blog/2022/09/npm-concurrently/ see http://techrights.org/2022/02/28/microsoft-github-expose-part-xviii-the-story-of-npm/ [21:00] TR Bot How to run multiple NPM commands simultaneously using concurrently [21:00] TR Bot Microsoft GitHub Expos Part XVIII The Story of NPM | Techrights [21:01] DaemonFC You can abuse language to mislead all you care to if you're willing to find ways to redefine things. [21:01] TR News "With the highest level of credentials available, they then got effective root access to Slack, AWS, Google Suite, and active directory at Uber." https://cendyne.dev/posts/2022-09-19-a-few-thoughts-about-ubers-breach.html [21:01] TR Bot A few thoughts about Uber's breach [21:01] TR News "Specifically most features I care about can be provided by systemd parameters and the reproducibility by NixOS." https://blog.viraptor.info/post/why-use-docker-for-a-home-server [21:01] TR Bot Why use docker for a homeserver? [21:02] DaemonFC I generally try not to use any words or meanings that were not in the dictionary around 2000 or so because the English language is being corrupted for leftist wokeism and mental retardation by faux-liberal trolls like mjg59_ and children who can hardly speak in complete sentences and cannot read cursive. [21:02] TR News "Problem solved! No data, no problems! The numbers thus go down" https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/25/no-data-no-problems/ [21:02] TR Bot Blog Archive British Government Stops Properly Reporting How Many COVID-19 Patients Are Admitted to Hospital and Die (as Winter Approaches and Numbers Already Go Up) [21:03] schestowitz[TR] 'secure' boot [21:03] schestowitz[TR] let's digest [21:03] schestowitz[TR] what is it? [21:03] schestowitz[TR] what does it do? [21:03] schestowitz[TR] what do the words mean? [21:03] schestowitz[TR] ok [21:03] schestowitz[TR] starting with boot [21:03] schestowitz[TR] you power on a machine [21:03] DaemonFC These people think that instead of teaching history they can just inflict their sex perversions on children then complain when people protest and withdraw their kids from public indoctrination centers. ("school") [21:03] schestowitz[TR] the broad kickstarts at some embedded hardware/sofwtare level [21:03] schestowitz[TR] the SOFTWARE is UEFI [21:04] schestowitz[TR] on top of it there is some pile of shit [21:04] schestowitz[TR] and you assume it does what it says on the tin [21:04] schestowitz[TR] usually it does not [21:04] schestowitz[TR] like ms dfoes not implement ooxml [21:04] schestowitz[TR] nobody impelemts it [21:04] schestowitz[TR] not even microsoft [21:04] schestowitz[TR] security? [21:04] schestowitz[TR] no [21:04] schestowitz[TR] checking hashes [21:04] schestowitz[TR] that's not secuity [21:04] schestowitz[TR] who checks it [21:04] DaemonFC I don't blame people for withdrawing their children from public "school". If I had children, *I* would rather try to find money to send them to Catholic school before I'd turn them loose on the ShitCongo teachers union. [21:04] schestowitz[TR] against whose table? [21:04] schestowitz[TR] can a cracker change that table? [21:05] schestowitz[TR] so it's not boot [21:05] immibis_ secure boot is when the boot rom checks the next stage of boot, basically, against anything whatsoever [21:05] DaemonFC Where they're more likely to get syphilis and drop out than anything good. [21:05] schestowitz[TR] it's not secure [21:05] schestowitz[TR] the whole thing is a misnomer [21:05] immibis_ DaemonFC: not everyone you dislike is a pedophile [21:05] schestowitz[TR] FSF dubbed it restricted boot [21:05] schestowitz[TR] that's too polite [21:05] immibis_ and take it to #techpol [21:05] DaemonFC If you want your children to even have a chance at an education you need to withdraw them from public school and take a voucher. [21:05] immibis_ secure boot can secure you better against evil maid attacks - if you set it up yourself - but then companies realize they can make you the maid [21:06] DaemonFC Or move to a state where you can. [21:06] DaemonFC That's how bad it's gotten. [21:06] schestowitz[TR] immibis_: but that is not what's happening [21:06] schestowitz[TR] it's like saying a tank can protect you [21:06] immibis_ there's no technical difference between: the computer was at a lenovo office because it belongs to them, and you have it now because you stole it, and: the computer was at a lenovo office because they make computers, and you have it now because you bought it [21:06] schestowitz[TR] when tanks most fire like mortars [21:06] schestowitz[TR] *mostly [21:06] DaemonFC DaemonFC: not everyone you dislike is a pedophile [21:06] schestowitz[TR] OEMs doesn't help you control 'secure' boot [21:06] schestowitz[TR] it's wired to be controlled remoately by Microsot [21:07] DaemonFC Gates is advocating borderline pedophilia at public schools on NPR. [21:07] immibis_ there are a minority of devices which ship with secure boot in a blank state and you can impose your own restrictions on your hardware [21:07] DaemonFC You can't just give it to them all at once. [21:07] schestowitz[TR] and lenovo already takes it to the "next tage" [21:07] schestowitz[TR] like we wanred 9 years ago [21:07] DaemonFC Just the tip.....to start out. [21:07] DaemonFC :P [21:07] immibis_ DaemonFC: not everyone you dislike is a pedophile [21:07] DaemonFC Bill Gates is a pedophile and a monster. [21:07] DaemonFC He associates with many others who are as bad or worse. [21:08] immibis_ DaemonFC: not everyone you dislike is a pedophile [21:08] DaemonFC He built an entire criminal organization around people like this, so that he can control them with blackmail. [21:08] starstreak immibis_, +1 [21:08] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: No, it doesn't compare hashes [21:08] mjg59_ And nor can it be remotely controlled by Microsoft [21:08] immibis_ many people think DaemonFC is a pedophile because he fucks other men. That opinion is indistinguishable from DaemonFC's opinion [21:08] DaemonFC Once that criminal organization got a lot of money, it used the money to buy people like mjg59_ [21:08] schestowitz[TR] it can [21:08] schestowitz[TR] they updateee the tables [21:08] immibis_ it depends on the device [21:08] schestowitz[TR] a bootkit can too [21:08] MinceR it phones home to update itself [21:09] schestowitz[TR] happened before [21:09] schestowitz[TR] anyway, you go onlecturing me with sematic tricks [21:09] mjg59_ The firmware cannot update its own revocation list [21:09] MinceR to find out what keys were revoked by the unelected guardians of the PC OS market [21:09] immibis_ the simplest form of secure boot is that you can set configuration fuses to hard-code a bootloader hash, which the boot ROM then checks [21:09] mjg59_ You can apply updates or ask your OS to apply updates [21:09] MinceR no problem, just accidentally boot Backdoors or systemd once on it [21:09] DaemonFC Now he won't criticize rapists, stranglers, pedos, and people who batter immigrants if they're Microsoft-affiliated. mjg59_ won't. If he changes his opinion on that, I'd respect him a lot more. [21:09] MinceR and it will lock anything out that the redmond mafia doesn't want you to run [21:09] DaemonFC Or at least confirms that he disapproves of what's going on in there. [21:09] schestowitz[TR] biab [21:09] MinceR because UEFI wasn't fragile enough on its own [21:10] MinceR it's not like it's likely to crash upon seeing certain efivars before you could even enter setup... oh wait, yes it is [21:10] TR News "Since CentOS has effectively imploded, we are going to need to replace that machine with some other distribution before the middle of 2024, and the default choice is Ubuntu." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/SELinuxNeedsDistroBuyin [21:10] TR Bot Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/SELinuxNeedsDistroBuyin [21:10] DaemonFC mjg59_, Why won't you criticize, publicly, rapists, stranglers, pedos, and people who batter immigrants who work at Microsoft and their fully owned subsidiaries such as Bethesda and GitHub? On the record. Can you do that? [21:11] TR News "Unfortunately, it still stinks, and the problem is its "enterprise" culture." https://alexn.org/blog/2022/09/19/java-cultural-problem/ [21:11] TR Bot Java's Cultural Problem - Alexandru Nedelcu [21:11] DaemonFC Don't wait for the translation! I want an answer now! [21:11] DaemonFC (Said the US ambassador to the Russian one during the Cuban Missile Crisis.) [21:12] DaemonFC The firmware cannot update its own revocation list [21:12] DaemonFC So you do plug a backdoor by disabling LVFS? Thanks for admitting that. [21:12] DaemonFC Microsoft can't blacklist your GRUB and fuck up your computer remotely without LVFS enabled. [21:13] TR News The Feeling of Fast | LINUX Unplugged 477 "We finally give Brent his new laptop and get his reaction. Plus our best pick for replacing stock Android with something private." https://feed.jupiter.zone/allshows#entry-8855 [21:14] MinceR what's LVFS? [21:15] DaemonFC Linux Vendor Firmware Service [21:15] DaemonFC It's how Microsoft reaches in and blacklists versions of GRUB they don't want you to use. [21:15] DaemonFC It's supposed to happen without you knowing it. [21:15] DaemonFC mjg59_ obviously knows that. [21:16] DaemonFC The firmware updates from your OEM contain the latest one as of that firmware release, but Microsoft can reach in and flash over that part of the UEFI firmware through LVFS. [21:16] DaemonFC Using GNOME Software. [21:17] schestowitz[TR] now he thinks of how to bash you [21:17] schestowitz[TR] using some non-tech angle [21:17] schestowitz[TR] figosdev says he tries to understand us [21:17] schestowitz[TR] that's correct [21:17] schestowitz[TR] he wants to find some edge or angle to attack us [21:17] schestowitz[TR] brb [21:17] schestowitz[TR] posting daily links [21:17] schestowitz[TR] will record 5 videos tonight [21:18] schestowitz[TR] if plan pursued fully [21:19] TR News Information Commissioner cuffed for withholding information - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/information-commissioner-cuffed-for-withholding-information/ Source: Michael West Media | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/information-commissioner-cuffed-for-withholding-information/ [21:19] TR Bot Information Commissioner cuffed for withholding information - Michael West [21:19] mjg59_ "Can reach in" [21:19] mjg59_ This is literally untrue [21:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [21:20] TR News Qantas board gets priorities straight - its own pay - as Alan Joyce edges towards $8.7m package

Read on [21:20] TR Bot Qantas board gets priorities straight - its own pay - as Alan Joyce edges towards $8.7m package [21:21] DaemonFC What else would you call reaching into the firmware using a backdoor planted into systemd? (I believe LVFS tied into systemd.) [21:21] TR News "Durden is a program that identifies, counts and, optionally, marks and/or cuts out and saves unique tiles in a given image file." https://www.datagubbe.se/durden/ [21:21] TR Bot datagubbe.se [21:21] mjg59_ No, LVFS is unrelated to systemd [21:21] MinceR clever name [21:21] DaemonFC If you have a better way of describing binary implants in your UEFI from Microsoft using a backdoor then I'd looooooove to hear it. [21:22] mjg59_ What "backdoor" [21:22] TR News "So-called electricity markets were created to help private capital, not people. It is time we wound up these bogus markets and returned public services to people, to run cooperatively for their benefit." https://www.newsclick.in/when-market-fundamentalism-overcomes-common-sense-myth-electricity-markets [21:22] DaemonFC Or why anyone would want to lose the ability to run "exploits" in case they ever need to jailbreak their own computer to gain control over it from Microsoft. [21:22] TR Bot When Market Fundamentalism Overcomes Common Sense: Myth of Electricity Markets | NewsClick [21:22] TR News Having a monarchy next door is a little like having a neighbour whos really into clowns and has daubed their house with clown murals, displays clown dolls in each window and has an insatiable desire to hear about and discuss clown-related news stories, Patrick Freyne wrote https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/12/chris-hedges-monarchs-belong-in-the-dustbin-of-history/ [21:22] TR Bot Hedges: Monarchs Belong in the Dustbin of History scheerpost.com [21:23] DaemonFC That is what will be necessary someday when "Secure Boot Off" is disabled and you can't change that. All you're left with is looking for exploits. [21:23] DaemonFC Like the Surface RT. [21:23] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: lcfs and systemd are controlled by microsaoft and icbm [21:23] schestowitz[TR] but they are not mutually related other than thattttt [21:23] schestowitz[TR] (barrier restarting...) [21:23] DaemonFC The Surface RT never got important, so other than an exploit being found to jailbreak it, nobody ever did port GNU/Linux to it. [21:24] DaemonFC Because Microsoft gave up and left its customers who bought into the platform to rot. [21:24] schestowitz[TR] long tradition [21:24] DaemonFC They lost their entire "investment" if they bought Surface RT based on blogspam from people like Chris eye exam chart on ZDNet and Paul Thurrott. [21:25] schestowitz[TR] they also burn people [21:25] schestowitz[TR] they use and discard them [21:25] DaemonFC "Chris egbrggruwruhghueghuhzynski" or whatever that really random cat on keyboard polack name is. [21:25] DaemonFC What an idiot. [21:25] schestowitz[TR] btw, gnu is 39 in 26 hours [21:25] schestowitz[TR] lasting that long in SOFTWARE is rare [21:25] schestowitz[TR] zdnet will die in a year or a few [21:26] schestowitz[TR] its' already on its last foot [21:26] schestowitz[TR] few writers left [21:26] schestowitz[TR] 'skeleton crew' [21:26] DaemonFC I'm starting to honestly believe you could use Polack surnames instead of /dev/random for cryptographically secure seed values. (j/k) [21:27] TR News Difficult times for people's mental state https://rubenerd.com/sitting-outside-with-a-coffee/ [21:27] TR Bot Sitting outside with a coffee [21:27] DaemonFC ZDNet Blogspam: Hi, I'm Chris dghougwhuoghguwuhhugeuhzynski here to talk about McDonalds using IBM AI with Microsoft Teams. [21:28] TR News "What's the best alternative for performance-critical software? A few options: Zig, Rust, Carbon, or C++." https://matt-rickard.com/rust-vs-c [21:28] TR Bot ( status 404 @ https://matt-rickard.com/rust-vs-c ) [21:28] schestowitz[TR] HEY HI, chris! [21:28] AdmFubar you can use names of new medicines for seed values :P most of them are starting to look like randomly generated passwords [21:28] DaemonFC Did you know that you could pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of Ronald McDonald and to the Big Mac for which he stands if you put an RFID sticker on your windshield to enable IBM AI, mjg59_? [21:28] schestowitz[TR] chris: o u!! [21:28] DaemonFC It's true! [21:29] mjg59_ Oh cool a new and exciting racial slur [21:29] schestowitz[TR] racial? [21:30] mjg59_ 21:25 < DaemonFC> "Chris egbrggruwruhghueghuhzynski" or whatever that really random cat on keyboard polack name is. [21:30] TR News Self-legitimising elaborate scam https://blog.dshr.org/2022/09/white-house-statement-on-cryptcurrency.html [21:31] TR Bot DSHR's Blog: White House Statement On Cryptocurrency Regulation [21:31] DaemonFC I also make fun of Irish people to about the same extent and a significant number of my ancestors came from there. [21:31] DaemonFC What's your point? [21:31] schestowitz[TR] making fun of names [21:31] schestowitz[TR] thick-skinned people make fun of their own names [21:31] schestowitz[TR] like I habitually do [21:31] schestowitz[TR] we need an adult society [21:31] schestowitz[TR] not softies [21:31] mjg59_ My point is that "Polack" is a racial slur [21:32] starstreak mjg59_, nobody has any problems with DaemonFC's racism and transphobia [21:32] schestowitz[TR] it is a common surname [21:32] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: He's not using it in the context of it being a surname [21:33] mjg59_ He's using it in the manner it's most commonly used, as a derogatory reference to people of Polish descent [21:34] DaemonFC Chris EGegwgwgihguwghghwuguhwicz's articles on ZDNet suck. [21:34] DaemonFC If mjg59_ wants bad journalism, he should go there. [21:35] TR News New clothing for an old scam https://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2022/9/263803-these-are-not-the-apes-you-are-looking-for/fulltext [21:35] TR Bot These Are Not the Apes You Are Looking For | September 2022 | Communications of the ACM [21:36] schestowitz[TR] zdnet advertised fake security [21:36] schestowitz[TR] still does [21:36] schestowitz[TR] and the person there who criticised usi 'secure' boot? [21:36] schestowitz[TR] GOT THE BOOT [21:36] schestowitz[TR] jamie [21:37] DaemonFC mjg59_, Defender of Polacks everywhere, including their Ward in Chicago which is the only bastion of Trumpism in the whole damned city. [21:37] DaemonFC How awesome is mjg59_? Right? This guy! [21:37] TR News HEY HI https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/h_600,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcd02df17-39cf-488a-8c93-773777fc50f0_513x679.jpeg [21:38] TR News Why Javascript is Retarded: Part 1 https://lunduke.substack.com/p/why-javascript-is-retarded-part-1 [21:38] TR Bot Why Javascript is Retarded: Part 1 - by Bryan Lunduke [21:39] DaemonFC Trans: I just don't understand. Polacks: I really wish I didn't. They act in Chicago the exact same way they act in their own godforsaken Nazi country. [21:39] schestowitz[TR] today rianne opned firefgox [21:39] schestowitz[TR] instead of librewold [21:40] schestowitz[TR] firefox started spamming more and more [21:40] schestowitz[TR] it's turning firefox users into social media [21:40] schestowitz[TR] after hiring managers from facebook [21:40] schestowitz[TR] each open tab is a sea of "recommended" (spammed) articles [21:40] schestowitz[TR] they run ads and promotions [21:40] schestowitz[TR] for fees [21:40] schestowitz[TR] and put a social media in the tab [21:40] schestowitz[TR] it's gross [21:40] schestowitz[TR] I might delete firefox compltely soon [21:40] TR News Telling us what we want to hear - Big Techs privacy lies https://michaelwest.com.au/big-tech-privacy-lies/ Source: Michael West Media | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//michaelwest.com.au/big-tech-privacy-lies/ [21:40] TR Bot Telling us what we want to hear - Big Tech's privacy lies [21:41] schestowitz[TR] firefox became dumpster FIREfox [21:41] schestowitz[TR] same brand [21:41] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: I mean you can see that he's not using it as a surname, right? [21:42] schestowitz[TR] different product [21:42] schestowitz[TR] you want me to make you irckkkop [21:42] schestowitz[TR] so you can play police? [21:42] DaemonFC Nazis literally took over the Polish government and then passed a law making it illegal to deny that any Polack ever helped the Nazis commit the Holocaust. Which, some did do. [21:43] TR News Usually you should do the OPPOSITE of what this guy says https://diziet.dreamwidth.org/12581.html [21:43] TR Bot diziet | Please vote in favour of the Debian Social Contract change [21:44] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: I'm asking you whether it's acceptable to use racial slurs in this IRC channel that you run [21:44] schestowitz[TR] go make your own network [21:44] DaemonFC Polish people are white. [21:44] schestowitz[TR] and get a parade os weirdos in it [21:44] schestowitz[TR] you and 2 people at most [21:44] schestowitz[TR] and then you will find a reason to ban them, too [21:45] mjg59_ If I say "Roy Schestowitz accepts the use of racial slurs in the IRC channel he controls", would I be lying? [21:45] DaemonFC You're literally attacking me for making it known I don't like a country governed by a Nazi Party that comes here and votes for Donald Trump. Thank you, mjg59_ [21:45] schestowitz[TR] you should say you stalk 4 channels in a netywork [21:45] schestowitz[TR] 24/7 [21:45] schestowitz[TR] a network with 1.5 MB of logs per day [21:45] DaemonFC A country full of other white people. [21:45] schestowitz[TR] and you scan it for dirt [21:45] schestowitz[TR] so people know you are mentally depraved [21:45] techuser mjg59_: yes. We need free speech places. SJW hordes kill everyone. [21:46] mjg59_ techuser: Which bit is a lie? [21:46] techuser oh, I misunderstood the question [21:46] techuser actually, the opposite [21:46] techuser not lying [21:46] DaemonFC mjg59_, Defender of white Nazis. [21:46] DaemonFC Aww snap. [21:46] DaemonFC They need him for muscle. [21:47] DaemonFC Things must be getting more desperate for them than I thought. [21:47] techuser these hordes trash once-good places [21:47] TR News Fighting Disinformation: We're Solving The Wrong Problems https://rys.io/en/161.html [21:47] TR Bot Fighting Disinformation: We're Solving The Wrong Problems | Songs on the Security of Networks [21:47] techuser nothing is left behind [21:47] techuser they are monsters which look good [21:47] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC can be racist [21:47] schestowitz[TR] i don't agree with it [21:47] schestowitz[TR] but... [21:47] DaemonFC Polish isn't a race. [21:48] DaemonFC It's a nationality. [21:48] schestowitz[TR] he writes spo-on technical things sometimes [21:48] schestowitz[TR] also: [21:48] schestowitz[TR] a person who works for IBM [21:48] techuser will this place be trashed by SJWs too? [21:48] schestowitz[TR] is doing far more harm [21:48] schestowitz[TR] than one who says "kike" [21:48] schestowitz[TR] or "polack" [21:48] techuser in the near future [21:48] schestowitz[TR] no [21:48] schestowitz[TR] they are bored and miseerable [21:48] schestowitz[TR] look for something to ruins [21:48] DaemonFC I would never say "kike". That's a bridge too far, schestowitz[TR]. The Jews have been through enough. [21:48] schestowitz[TR] *ruin [21:48] schestowitz[TR] notice how the subejct changed [21:48] schestowitz[TR] it was non-secure boot [21:49] schestowitz[TR] and now mjg59_ shifted it to racist [21:49] DaemonFC Mostly at the hands of Germans and Polacks. [21:49] schestowitz[TR] next time he mighht change the subject to sex [21:49] schestowitz[TR] because secure bot is... sexy [21:49] mjg59_ I think the fault there might lie with the person who started using racial slurs, not the person who pointed it out [21:49] techuser some people need to literally shoot the SJW hordes. IIRC some people threatened to do it already during BLM protests. [21:49] DaemonFC I think the fault there might lie with the person who started using racial slurs, not the person who pointed it out [21:49] techuser it is a cancer on society [21:49] DaemonFC Do you agree I have a legitimate grievance with the Polish community in Chicago? [21:50] DaemonFC If not, why not? [21:50] starstreak Fedora had a sexy UEFI logo [21:50] schestowitz[TR] unabomber was of polish roots [21:50] schestowitz[TR] and few can read his name [21:50] schestowitz[TR] it's a common issue [21:50] schestowitz[TR] their names don't "trsnslate" wel into english [21:50] schestowitz[TR] a known problem [21:50] DaemonFC It's not all Polish people that are bad, just the majority of them. [21:50] DaemonFC Their voting habits lay that out. [21:50] mjg59_ There's no level of legitimate grievance that justifies the use of racial slurs [21:51] DaemonFC Polish isn't a race. [21:51] schestowitz[TR] cannot make irish jokes, either [21:51] schestowitz[TR] ban comedy [21:51] schestowitz[TR] then, ban irc [21:51] schestowitz[TR] then, ban librewolf and brave users [21:51] schestowitz[TR] ban www [21:51] schestowitz[TR] promote fb instead [21:51] DaemonFC Welp, if I can't make fun of Irish people, there go all of the drunk and disorderly jokes. Including about Gonad's family. [21:51] schestowitz[TR] and assign confused people as moderated, with HEY HI [21:52] DaemonFC Most of the meth lab ones too. [21:52] DaemonFC What the hell can I make jokes about? [21:52] schestowitz[TR] mr. "fartfartfartfart" is lecturing us on matters [21:52] *schestowitz[TR] goes back to more important tasks [21:53] schestowitz[TR] *manners [21:53] DaemonFC I wonder if mjg59_ has ever been in trouble with the police and whether they were niggardly with the paddywagon. [21:53] TR News DjangoCon US 2022 https://www.paulox.net/2022/10/19/djangocon-us-2022/ [21:53] TR Bot pauloxnet - DjangoCon US2022 [21:53] DaemonFC He probably doesn't resort to any actual civil disobedience. He's a pushover for the 1% to play with. [21:54] MinceR mjg59_: and what isn't justified should be banned, right? [21:54] TR News Java 19 https://alexn.org/blog/2022/09/21/java-19/ "I havent been as excited about a Java release in a long time." [21:54] TR Bot Java 19 - Alexandru Nedelcu [21:55] schestowitz[TR] MinceR: better not feed him [21:55] schestowitz[TR] it's a technial channel [21:55] schestowitz[TR] he is trying to change the subject] [21:55] schestowitz[TR] h [21:55] schestowitz[TR] he was losing the argument again [21:55] MinceR i'm just curious about his values [21:55] schestowitz[TR] oin secure boot [21:55] DaemonFC mjg59_, is almost like what Richard Stallman was talking about. When that Indian man who was interviewing him said Congress were billionaires, and RMS corrected him and said Congress was millionaires, most of them. The billionaires used them and they got rich, but it was millions, not billions. mjg59_ is like Congress. [21:55] MinceR because this seems to be a pretty extreme position [21:55] schestowitz[TR] his values are fart fart fart fart sexual fetish [21:55] schestowitz[TR] ie.. lots of hot air [21:55] schestowitz[TR] or warm air [21:56] psydruid why does *he* always try to steer the conversation away from technical matters? [21:56] schestowitz[TR] this is why he was muted last year [21:57] DaemonFC mjg59_, "I create Free Software....." Also mjg59_, "But you can't actually make derivative works and run it because of what it actually is and does.". It's meant to take your computer away and hand control of it over to criminals and mobsters. [21:57] psydruid I would mute him forever [21:57] DaemonFC I need civics lessons from HIM on the day that Satan ice skates to work. [21:57] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: yes, contradiction [21:57] schestowitz[TR] big fat contradictiopn [21:57] mjg59_ MinceR: I think a community that tolerates racists is one that excludes many other potential contributors [21:57] schestowitz[TR] sorry, let me rephrase that [21:57] schestowitz[TR] I've just insulted "not thin" peopole [21:58] DaemonFC MinceR: I think a community that tolerates racists is one that excludes many other potential contributors [21:58] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: so stop being racist [21:58] DaemonFC Then why does every project infested with a CoC and SJWs wither away and die? [21:58] schestowitz[TR] also, stop defaming high-profile people to get attention [21:59] DaemonFC There's never been this much interest in non-Firefox browsers, Firefox forks, non-Linux "unix" systems, etc. [21:59] DaemonFC This is all thanks to the fact that people like you have infested all of those things and they're dying now. [21:59] frog mjg59_: GNU is in big trouble, quality issues [21:59] frog discuss. [21:59] MinceR mjg59_: is banning people for unjustified language the only way to not tolerate racists, then? [21:59] DaemonFC At this rate, Mozilla will have less than 1% of all Web users in about 2.5 years. ● Sep 25 [22:00] DaemonFC They went from controlling nearly half the Web market share to less than 3% currently. [22:00] mjg59_ MinceR: No, asking them to stop being racist is a perfectly good starting point [22:00] DaemonFC That's down from over 4.5% last year. [22:00] MinceR mjg59_: who can ask people to stop being racist? [22:00] TR News Breyer on Europol lawsuit: Courts must protect us where politics is hostile to fundamental rights https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/breyer-on-europol-lawsuit-courts-must-protect-us-where-politics-is-hostile-to-fundamental-rights/ [22:00] TR Bot Breyer on Europol lawsuit: Courts must protect us where politics is hostile to fundamental rights Patrick Breyer [22:01] psydruid stop being racist against bullies! [22:01] TR News Will sparkfun start sucking up to criminals (Micreosoft) for fun? https://www.sparkfun.com/news/5457 [22:01] DaemonFC Mozilla is dying and it's because of all of the spam and malware and pictures of "Strong Woman Welds Some Shit" flying open into your face. [22:01] TR Bot and Thing Plus - News - SparkFun Electronics [22:01] frog https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/systemd-support-is-now-available-in-wsl/ [22:01] TR Bot Systemd support is now available in WSL! - Windows Command Line [22:01] DaemonFC We know women work in factories. I worked with plenty of women in factories. Thanks to the left, it's amazing there are any factories left in America these days. [22:01] MinceR long awaited [22:02] DaemonFC They've given our entire country over to the red Chinese. [22:02] MinceR i herd you liek malware, so we put systemd in your windows so you can run malware while you run malware. [22:02] schestowitz[TR] WSL is more secure [22:02] schestowitz[TR] it boots into windows [22:02] MinceR lol [22:02] schestowitz[TR] with 'secure' boot [22:02] schestowitz[TR] and NSA has back door access [22:02] schestowitz[TR] to check you are safe :-) [22:02] schestowitz[TR] and not a pedo [22:03] schestowitz[TR] like the founder of... [22:03] DaemonFC Then told the displaced workers to sign up for welfare while we experience hyperinflation and $4 trillion budget deficits. [22:03] schestowitz[TR] never mind [22:03] MinceR you can be "secure" knowing that you definitely have MICROS~1's secholes and backdoors on your system [22:03] DaemonFC The fucking left has never done a goddamned thing for this country. [22:03] MinceR UEFI protects you against working around those. [22:03] schestowitz[TR] to mjg59_ , BACK DOORS are "SECURITY" [22:03] schestowitz[TR] he defines it like National SECURITY agency does [22:03] schestowitz[TR] and he defected [22:03] MinceR neither has the fucking right [22:03] schestowitz[TR] he got naturalised as USian [22:03] DaemonFC The alternative should be hard reboot back to when people had some decency and pulled their pants up and had a job to go to. [22:03] mjg59_ MinceR: Anyone with any sort of leadership in the community? [22:04] MinceR mjg59_: what sort of community needs leadership? [22:04] DaemonFC And didn't have to beg a government that was even more bankrupt than they are for food thanks to liberals who auctioned their jobs away to Communists. [22:04] MinceR sounds more like a corporation than a community [22:04] schestowitz[TR] MinceR: Anyone with any sort of leadership in the community? [22:04] schestowitz[TR] https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/739100912820461570 [22:04] TR Bot @sabdfl I don't think people like Bill Cosby or Jimmy Savile were leaders [22:04] schestowitz[TR] savile was NOT a low-level worker [22:04] schestowitz[TR] maybe you didn't watch him [22:05] schestowitz[TR] neither did I [22:05] schestowitz[TR] but he was VERY high profile in BBC [22:05] DaemonFC This is Bill. Bill likes puddin'. Puddin' his dick where his dick don't belong! [22:05] schestowitz[TR] and BBC knew what he had been doing [22:05] schestowitz[TR] and ekept him on board [22:05] schestowitz[TR] to fuck kids and corporses [22:05] mjg59_ MinceR: Don't people here keep talking about the need for FSF leadership? [22:05] MinceR some people probably do [22:05] schestowitz[TR] Cosby was the name of his show [22:05] MinceR but the FSF is a corporation, not a community [22:05] schestowitz[TR] he was not low level either [22:06] schestowitz[TR] maybe mjg59_ doesn't know TV [22:06] DaemonFC No-talent Assclown Bill Cosby got rich off a show that wasn't funny, whose best achievement was spawning Married With Children to make a mockery out of the Cosby Show, while Cosby was drugging and raping women and then used the money from the show that wasn't any good to hire lawyers to get him out of prison. [22:06] schestowitz[TR] or showbiz [22:06] schestowitz[TR] Cosby's net worth was what? [22:06] DaemonFC This is America folks! [22:06] MinceR we'd be in even deeper shit if the FSF was the community [22:07] *psydruid doesn't have any need for the FSF and its leadership [22:07] *MinceR doesn't have any need to be led [22:07] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], Cosby's crowning achievement was inspiring a parody portraying a poor White family in Chicago that was dysfunctional as all Hell but got along because, although it was unspoken, Al was a Real Man, a good man, who loved his wife, even though she wasn't good to him. [22:07] DaemonFC A situation a lot of men get into. [22:07] DaemonFC The Bundys were a better look at the typical family than the Cosbys. [22:07] schestowitz[TR] Peg was OK to Al [22:07] schestowitz[TR] Al was bad to her [22:08] schestowitz[TR] and was a terrible dad, too [22:08] schestowitz[TR] like homer simpson [22:08] DaemonFC Peg was at least as negligent as Al was as far as the children, contributed nothing to the household, didn't work, didn't cook, and wasted all of Al's money so they couldn't pay any of their bills and Al couldn't get a car that got him to work reliably. [22:09] DaemonFC Peg was very bad to Al and as bad as he was at raising the kids. [22:09] DaemonFC But Al stayed with her even though he had very little to lose in a divorce proceeding. [22:09] schestowitz[TR] she loves bonbons [22:10] schestowitz[TR] not sure she was a huge spnder [22:10] schestowitz[TR] that's their next-door neithebours [22:10] schestowitz[TR] steve and marcy darcy [22:10] DaemonFC Peg was such an asshole about spending Al's money that one of her best lines in 10 seasons was "You can wash clothes? And WEAR THEM AGAIN!? Well, you learn something new every day.". [22:11] schestowitz[TR] iirc, then darcies had a mercedes [22:11] DaemonFC Steve and Marcy, and then Marcy divorced Steve and got Jefferson, but Steve came back as a recurring character. [22:12] DaemonFC One of the best episodes was Steve goes camping with Al and the kids and the bear rips his Mercedes apart and tosses him the hood ornament while he's in shock and repeating the MSRP price. [22:12] DaemonFC I laughed so hard I about fell off the couch. [22:12] schestowitz[TR] the mona lisa in the stolen car was also funny [22:12] schestowitz[TR] and the car sliding off the driveway [22:12] DaemonFC Oh, when Al's clunker got stolen and he's padding the insurance claim? [22:13] schestowitz[TR] i must have seen every episode like 5 times [22:13] schestowitz[TR] maybe 3+ [22:13] schestowitz[TR] for sure my most-watched one overall, by far... [22:13] schestowitz[TR] it would not air now [22:13] schestowitz[TR] the mental-heads would 'cancel' it [22:14] schestowitz[TR] iirc, even back then there were legal challenges [22:14] DaemonFC The one where Peg makes the royal guard outside Buckingham Palace smile and then pass out because of Al's shoe. [22:14] schestowitz[TR] and they mocked thee in the show itself [22:14] schestowitz[TR] *these [22:14] DaemonFC Or when he sticks his feet in the Thames and thee fish all float up, dead. [22:15] MinceR https://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/grave-dancegif.gif ( https://explosm.net/comics/rob-grave-dancegif#comic ) [22:15] TR Bot & Happiness (Explosm.net) [22:15] DaemonFC A river that's so disgusting that to this day, Coca Cola advertises that they managed to make drinkable water from it. [22:15] DaemonFC You had to understand how gross that river is for the joke to be as funny as it was. [22:16] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], A woman in Michigan complained to the FCC about them. [22:16] schestowitz[TR] every river in a large city is filthy [22:17] schestowitz[TR] includes litter [22:17] DaemonFC Her reward was that Fox renewed it for three more seasons at once and then they included the joke that Al got a TV show in the show, but his show was canceled because "Some woman in Michigan complained.". [22:17] DaemonFC They threw in a line just to razz one woman in Michigan that tried to Cancel them and failed. [22:18] DaemonFC That was your only reward for being a complainer like mjg59_ back then. Everyone hated you and made fun of you. [22:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [22:20] DaemonFC mjg59_ really wants open forums to be shut down (by ClownFlare or someone if needs be) so that people who want to escape fake social media like his Shitter account have nowhere else to go and talk. [22:20] DaemonFC And so we need to stop handing control over things to Clownflare. They've proven they'll take your forum offline for speech that is "politically protected" but not from them. [22:21] DaemonFC And their goal is to "host" all of the Web so they can police it for the left. [22:22] DaemonFC The reason I mentioned the Swedish study about Trans suicides is, look, this wasn't in the United States. It was a "stable, modern, liberal democracy in Western Europe, with strong institutions". [22:22] DaemonFC Right? And in that environment the Trans suicide rate was over 60% higher than it was for other people. [22:22] DaemonFC And Garrett blames Kiwi Farms for some idiot setting themselves on fire when it was probably not their fault. [22:22] starstreak i know where thats going [22:22] starstreak time to ignore him again [22:23] DaemonFC Yes, they're assholes, but if they had any effect on that person who set themselves on fire, it was probably minimal. [22:23] DaemonFC And study after study shows this. [22:23] DaemonFC There isn't any proof that Kiwi Farms "caused" a single real person to commit suicide. [22:23] DaemonFC We know the Trans suicide rate is extremely high to begin with. [22:23] schestowitz[TR] there isa test case in the US [22:23] schestowitz[TR] lori something [22:23] schestowitz[TR] a [22:23] schestowitz[TR] a woman who 'bullied' a young girl [22:24] starstreak when i talk about reptilians im making the channel look bad. when daemonfc spews racism and transphobia, thats free speech. [22:24] schestowitz[TR] who later killed herself [22:24] DaemonFC I've been harassed by Peter Staley to a larger extent than Kiwi Farms went after any Trans person. [22:24] schestowitz[TR] and they tried to hold the adult liable [22:24] schestowitz[TR] for driving her over the edge [22:24] DaemonFC I just left the phone off the hook. Fuck him. [22:24] starstreak nobody ever tells daemonfc to be 'on topic' [22:24] schestowitz[TR] or "pouring gasoline into the fire" [22:24] schestowitz[TR] pardon the sun [22:24] schestowitz[TR] *pun [22:24] schestowitz[TR] it happened in epo too [22:24] DaemonFC He was ringing my phone and published my number on his forum for calling him a drug company marketing creep. [22:24] schestowitz[TR] self-immolatioon [22:24] schestowitz[TR] a man in his own apartment [22:25] DaemonFC I was getting death threats from AIDS patients who unfortunately follow Staley, who ginned up lies about me so they would turn into an army of trolls. [22:25] schestowitz[TR] starstreak: I tell that a lot to him [22:25] schestowitz[TR] and he is in #techpol and -social too (less the latter) [22:25] schestowitz[TR] but this started with debate on free speech [22:25] schestowitz[TR] after the suject was changed from secure boot [22:25] schestowitz[TR] as usual [22:25] DaemonFC If anything, mjg59_ is more like Peter Staley. [22:25] DaemonFC He's the Peter Staley of Free Software. [22:26] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [22:26] DaemonFC A very small person and an emotional terrorist, or he tries to be anyway. [22:26] schestowitz[TR] if we banned everything that anyone found discomforting, we would be a dumpster fire [22:27] schestowitz[TR] kids would not have books aboout witches and monsters [22:27] DaemonFC Peter Staley is a Cult Leader. He's created a Cult of AIDS drugs. Like, literally. He's a drug company marketing asshole. [22:27] DaemonFC He gets mad when you say that, so you should say it more. [22:27] starstreak DaemonFC can be racist [22:28] schestowitz[TR] yers, he is [22:28] schestowitz[TR] he is racist [22:28] schestowitz[TR] then again [22:28] schestowitz[TR] to some extent [22:28] schestowitz[TR] all people arer racist [22:28] schestowitz[TR] animals are too [22:28] starstreak so thats not you giving him permission? [22:28] schestowitz[TR] but some keep it inside [22:28] schestowitz[TR] brits are betetr than usssians at keeping it inside [22:28] schestowitz[TR] canadians are too [22:28] DaemonFC I pulled up to the gas pump in the Honda this morning, and some crazy guy started walking, and I clicked the lock button and started the car up, and aborted the refueling. [22:29] starstreak i've sued corporations for less [22:29] starstreak lol [22:29] DaemonFC He waved and walked back to the store. I don't know if he was going to shoot me or ask me for a dollar. [22:29] DaemonFC I wasn't going to find out, either. [22:29] DaemonFC Sorry, not sorry. [22:30] DaemonFC I went back and gassed up the Honda during daylight hours. [22:30] DaemonFC Waukegan has a gas station shooting about twice a day. :P [22:30] DaemonFC Don't be a statistic. [22:30] starstreak i think thats why a lot of corporations do CoCs, its protection against being sued or at the very least it can help mitigate losses [22:30] MinceR 25 232657 < schestowitz[TR]> if we banned everything that anyone found discomforting, we would be a dumpster fire [22:30] DaemonFC It's safer to make assumptions even if people would call you a racist. [22:30] schestowitz[TR] the language oif accountabilty: [22:30] MinceR or a ghost town [22:30] schestowitz[TR] tryin to hold people respnsible for actions of others [22:30] DaemonFC 95% of the shooters are black. Gas station shootings happen every day here. [22:30] schestowitz[TR] also known as collective accountability [22:31] DaemonFC A black guy is walking to my car for no apparent reason in the middle of the night at a gas station. [22:31] DaemonFC Drive away! [22:31] DaemonFC Fill up later. [22:31] MinceR mjg59_ certainly wouldn't be here if we banned everyone who bothers someone [22:31] schestowitz[TR] also see why througout history it was a bad idea(tm) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilt_(emotion)#Collective_guilt [22:31] TR Bot Guilt (emotion) - Wikipedia [22:32] schestowitz[TR] "Collective guilt (or group guilt) is the unpleasant and often emotional reaction that results among a group of individuals when it is perceived that the group illegitimately harmed members of another group. It is often the result of "sharing a social identity with others whose actions represent a threat to the positivity of that identity". For an individual to experience collective guilt, he must identify himself as a part of the [22:32] schestowitz[TR] in-group. "This produces a perceptual shift from thinking of oneself in terms of 'I' and 'me' to 'us' or 'we'." [22:34] schestowitz[TR] you could become like singapore [22:34] schestowitz[TR] pap [22:34] schestowitz[TR] lky [22:34] schestowitz[TR] where for merely "huting the feelings" of some other "group" you get arrested [22:34] schestowitz[TR] because they have many ethnic groups there [22:34] DaemonFC I'm familiar with the source code layout of various projects enough to see if anything interesting has landed that I might want to pull and build. [22:34] schestowitz[TR] that leads to awful tyranny [22:34] schestowitz[TR] and spinelesss people [22:35] DaemonFC I know how to use git. I build software all the time. I have maintained my own fork of Linux before. [22:35] schestowitz[TR] obediene tpeople who live in 'shoeboxes' [22:35] schestowitz[TR] and are force to join the military [22:35] schestowitz[TR] *forced [22:35] MinceR "And one more group offended. Guess I'm just not a people person. Good thing I have Kevlar! Wait, do I have Kevlar?" [22:35] DaemonFC "Add faster CRC routine. The speed improvement is very small for typical use cases, but may be valuable if a lot of independent encodes are running and/or for a very long time. Patch by Robert Kausch of the fre:ac project." [22:35] DaemonFC That still hasn't landed upstream in LAME? [22:36] DaemonFC Fedora included this patch in its own patch series a long time ago. [22:36] DaemonFC Ugh, it's taking a long time for releases of old codecs now. [22:36] DaemonFC Like Vorbis, I guess. Distributors are just supposed to patch CVEs from 2019 on their own while they're in someone's git tree. [22:37] DaemonFC "Disable Takehiros IEEE753 hack by default. On modern CPUs (anything more recent from AMD than hammer/k8; Intel: Core2, i3/5/7/9 and similar -- no idea about recent Atom/Pentium) it is a speed pessimization. Add a configure option for it so that it can be enabled on old CPUs." [22:37] DaemonFC Well, to be fair this is a patch from 1998, iirc. [22:38] *highest_cubist_thrills (~highest_cubist_thri@udrhdefbtjdvk.irc) has joined #techrights [22:38] DaemonFC It works around a problem in ancient CPUs (pre-2006 or so). [22:38] DaemonFC No idea what the m68k or PPC builds do when you enable it. [22:39] DaemonFC Or ARM. I suppose someone should test it if they have access to such a system. [22:40] DaemonFC "Use external libmpg123 instead of internal mpglib for mpeg decoding (unix-like systems which use the autotools ("configure; make; make install") build system). There are years of improvements in libmpg123 which we do not have in mpglib. Patch by Thomas Orgis of the mpg123 project. " [22:40] DaemonFC They should really just drop mpglib and the IEEE753 hack altogether. [22:41] DaemonFC I've thought about cloning LAME and getting rid of all the "10,000 year old dead plants". Possibly cleaning up the build system a bit. [22:41] DaemonFC The issue is that they don't make much difference to the compiled binaries except maybe size. [22:41] DaemonFC Having a lot of switches and obsolete codepaths is ridiculous though. [22:42] DaemonFC "Update the Visual Studio project files to Visual Studio 2019. Patch by Michel Fink." [22:42] TR News (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Programming_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Programming_Leftovers.1.gmi [22:42] TR Bot Tux Machines Programming Leftovers [22:43] TR News (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Security_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Security_Leftovers.1.gmi [22:43] TR Bot Tux Machines Security Leftovers [22:43] DaemonFC Pointless. The only thing Visual Studio 2019 adds is Microsoft spyware hooks, binary output bloat, and removes compatibility with Windows 98, XP, and Vista....Which are dead, dead, dead, but people still use them and there's no reason to yank it when cross compiling for Windows using MinGW works and produces better binary code. [22:43] psydruid Why should they have Visual Studio project files in the first place? [22:43] TR News (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/today_s_leftovers.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/today_s_leftovers.2.gmi [22:43] TR Bot Tux Machines today's leftovers [22:43] DaemonFC They shouldn't! [22:43] DaemonFC They should drop MSVS and cross-compile using GCC. [22:43] TR News (NEW): Linux 6.0-rc7 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Linux_6_0_rc7.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/Linux_6_0_rc7.gmi [22:43] TR Bot Tux Machines Linux 6.0-rc7 [22:44] psydruid Those should only be created on the local system and never be in a git repository [22:44] DaemonFC I never compile LAME with Microsoft Visual Studio even when I want Windows binaries from it. In my testing, the binaries from MSVS 2019 are 3 times bigger, slower at encoding, and needlessly remove support from old Windows systems that it should still run on in case someone should find that useful. [22:46] DaemonFC And since we haven't heard anything lately from OS/2 people, I don't even KNOW that the OS/2 port still works. But if you produce a version that works even on Windows 98, chances are someone using eComStation (OS/2) could run modern LAME via the Windows version in Odin. [22:47] DaemonFC So you're cutting off a lot of people in the world if you consider that there's.....a lot of people in the world and compiling with MSVS 2019 removes support for operating systems that, collectively 2-3% of all desktop users still have. [22:47] DaemonFC So there's no reason to support Visual Studio at all, and definitely not 2019. [22:48] TR News Links 25/09/2022: Linux 6.0 RC7 and PostgreSQL-Related Releases | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/25/linux-6-0-rc7/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/25/linux-6-0-rc7/ [22:48] TR Bot Links 25/09/2022: Linux 6.0 RC7 and PostgreSQL-Related Releases | Techrights [22:49] DaemonFC mjg59_ just doesn't want to understand me. [22:49] DaemonFC It's more of an offbeat sense of humor than anything. [22:49] DaemonFC Mandy thinks I'm hilarious when I speak some (knowingly bogus) Tagalog. [22:49] DaemonFC I'm not making fun of him, or Tagalog speakers. I'm making fun of myself by badly imitating their language. [22:51] *ciphrCat has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:53] TR News GNU is Not UNIX: GNU Project Turns 39 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/25/sept-27-gnu-at-39/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/25/sept-27-gnu-at-39/ [22:53] TR Bot GNU is Not UNIX: GNU Project Turns 39 | Techrights [22:53] *cybrNaut has quit (Quit: bailing) [22:54] TR News "Facebook users claim to hate the service, but they keep using it, leading many to describe Facebook as "addictive." But there's a simpler explanation: people keep using Facebook though they hate it because they don't want to lose their connections to the people they love." https://pluralistic.net/2022/09/19/interoperable-facebook/#federated [22:54] TR Bot Pluralistic: 19 Sep 2022 How to ditch Facebook without ditching your friends Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow [22:55] TR News "I have argued that the more "arduous but effective analysis" results in "tracking, monitoring, and shutting down" cybercriminals, the more they will use techniques such as privacy coins (Monero, Zcash) and mixers (Tornado Cash)." https://blog.dshr.org/2022/09/cryptocurrency-enabled-crime.html [22:55] TR Bot DSHR's Blog: Cryptocurrency-enabled Crime [22:55] starstreak https://i.imgur.com/Q3glWEU.png [22:56] psydruid I've got a .gitignore with ".idea cmake-* .vs out debug.log *.kdev4 build" to keep all of this crap out of the source tree [22:56] psydruid Visual Studio is so slow that it's barely usable [22:56] starstreak VS Code is pretty fast though [22:56] psydruid Not to mention buggy and spewing out spurious errors [22:57] highest_cubist_thrills https://i.imgur.com/Q3glWEU.png <- true story [22:57] psydruid VS Code is a true next generation code editor [22:58] starstreak VS Code is my guilty pleasure :( [22:58] *ciphrCat (~ciphrCat@v75kd7krrqfvs.irc) has joined #techrights [22:58] starstreak i love it but its microsoft so im conflicted [22:58] psydruid I hope it works well with Rust and C# [22:58] starstreak it works really well with Golang [22:59] schestowitz[TR] i told my sister some hours ago it's proprioetary [22:59] starstreak what i thought was really cool is that it runs go fmt when you save [22:59] schestowitz[TR] she is not using it [22:59] schestowitz[TR] but thought aboout it [22:59] highest_cubist_thrills VS Code is a true next generation code editor <- firengi or klingon? [22:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 15.30 k/sec., IPFS upstream 118.65 average k/sec., average swarm size 114.55 [22:59] DaemonFC "Remove the macosx XCode project files, nobody stepped up to update them for the libmpg123 changes." [22:59] DaemonFC It's a Mac. Probably nobody knows how. ● Sep 25 [23:00] starstreak VS Code also does linting and auto code completion [23:00] schestowitz[TR] highest_cubist_thrills: starship enterprise run secure boot [23:00] *psydruid doesn't know how to answer that question as he used VS Code for all of 5 minutes a few years ago [23:00] schestowitz[TR] and they got stiuuck in space [23:00] schestowitz[TR] a [23:00] schestowitz[TR] a hostile boat installed a patch [23:00] psydruid but it was quite a discovery [23:00] schestowitz[TR] and the engine room would not start [23:00] schestowitz[TR] for their own security [23:01] highest_cubist_thrills and they got stiuuck in space <- always wondered how janeway got out there, and why she needed the borg to get back [23:01] highest_cubist_thrills now it makes sense [23:01] schestowitz[TR] they needed to returnthe ship to the store [23:02] schestowitz[TR] and get a new starship enterprise delivered [23:02] highest_cubist_thrills i hope they got a windows refund [23:02] starstreak i got a windows refund [23:02] schestowitz[TR] and then recover the encryption key from microsoft [23:02] highest_cubist_thrills and get a new starship enterprise delivered <- that sounds more like apple [23:02] schestowitz[TR] to get their (mr.) data back [23:02] psydruid however if I was really using it that would be akin to deep ****** nice [23:03] DaemonFC https://sourceforge.net/p/lame/bugs/501/?limit=25 [23:03] TR Bot LAME (Lame Aint an MP3 Encoder) / Bugs / #501 Encoder: Assertion `eov->bitrate_index <= cfg->vbr_max_bitrate_index' failed [23:03] DaemonFC "I think we are now talking about frame 8, granule 0 and channel 1? It has the special case, that there is analog silence detected. The bug seems to be, that in this case, the amount of bits for analog silence is larger than the original target." [23:04] DaemonFC Strictly speaking the lowest size frame in LAME is 32 kbps, but that's not technically the lowest you can go for analog silence in all cases. [23:04] DaemonFC If there's some audio in a nearby frame, you can allocate most of the 32 kbps frames for analog silence as available to the byte reservoir. [23:05] DaemonFC The problem you run into in MP3 is those REALLY long tracks with a hidden song at the end, which from the CD ends up in a single file after like 9 minutes of analog silence or something [23:05] DaemonFC :) [23:05] DaemonFC There's no use for most of these frames and so they all get padded out and you end up with a 60 MB MP3. [23:07] *cybrNaut (~cybrNaut@freenode-tto.k1n.ssv8hv.IP) has joined #techrights [23:08] DaemonFC It's completely stupid and can't happen in Opus. [23:09] DaemonFC The reason 501 was flagged as potentially affecting quality is that if a frame of digital silence is parked close enough to something that needs more bits, taking too many bits to encode digital silence could mean fewer bits for something else. [23:09] DaemonFC But this is a negligible improvement to quality. It's more likely that the encoder would crash out and produce a corrupted file. [23:10] DaemonFC Because there could be compiler out there that takes a very unfortunate view of this code in the optimizer stage and produces something that doesn't even work. [23:10] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [23:10] TR News Brodie Robertson increasingly sounds like a corporate ad, brainwashed through Conde Nast (Reddit), commandeered by GIAFAM/Pentagon/Wall Street https://yewtu.be/watch?v=qpozi_gqQvk [23:10] TR Bot Flatpak Is Going To Take Over The Linux Desktop - Invidious [23:10] DaemonFC (If there is, it would probably be LLVM.) [23:10] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [23:10] DaemonFC I don't use Clang/LLVM if I can possibly avoid it. [23:10] DaemonFC The optimizer takes too many liberties when it encounters undefined behavior. [23:11] DaemonFC Then what you end up with is an unstable program. [23:11] TR News Microsoft Windows is so defunct that even copy-paste stop working. How will "drpizza" work? https://www.maketecheasier.com/fix-copy-and-paste-not-working-windows/ [23:11] TR Bot How to Fix Copy and Paste Not Working in Windows 10 - Make Tech Easier [23:11] DaemonFC When Fedora releng was considering building Firefox with Clang, I threatened to set up a repo to continue building it with GCC and mark it as replacing Fedora's Firefox package via obsoletes. [23:12] DaemonFC Eventually, the proposal was voted down (barely) and GCC builds went on which... [23:12] *DaemonFC goes to check [23:12] DaemonFC GCC 12.2.1 as of now. [23:12] DaemonFC Good. [23:13] frog try to maintain any distro _without_ GCC or LLVM ... god luck [23:13] DaemonFC Clang/LLVM is a pretty serious step down in quality from GCC. [23:13] DaemonFC mjg59_ hated that. [23:13] frog and here is the reason why i consider GNU-buildsystem wrecked too: Perl [23:13] frog i had to roll-back to perl-5.8 to pass with tcc [23:13] DaemonFC The LLVM part is quite usable in some contexts like generating on-the-fly intermediate representations where you need it like this. [23:14] TR News 10 GNU/Linux Command-Line Operators and What They Do https://www.makeuseof.com/linux-command-line-chaining-operators/ Source: Make Use Of | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.makeuseof.com/linux-command-line-chaining-operators/ [23:14] MinceR "my web browser pretending to be an IDE is so fast" [23:14] TR Bot 10 Linux Command-Line Operators and What They Do [23:14] frog maybe, this can be repaird... however, there is that many other problems with GNU-toolchain and buildsystem... i quit [23:14] frog and LLVM isn't the alternative [23:14] DaemonFC But that's mostly interesting when you're using it in a JavaScript engine or for shaders in Vulkan or OpenGL. [23:14] DaemonFC In that case, LLVM is cool. B-) [23:14] DaemonFC But Clang is a rather unfortunate thing. [23:14] DaemonFC The only reason why you'd use it is if you're a GPL hater. [23:14] frog that's why, i celebrate every day, i tiny little more of GNU can be detangled [23:14] starstreak MinceR, lol [23:15] frog i don't object to GPL, in fact i consider it's copyleft too weak [23:15] frog it is, technical reasons only, to avoid most of what GNU stamped GPL onto [23:15] DaemonFC Clang should only be one of two things. [23:15] DaemonFC A secondary compiler you use for build verifications and debugging -or- in the trash where it belongs. [23:15] frog strangely, heading out of GNU, often results in MIT licensed stuff [23:16] DaemonFC Sometimes it unearths interestingly buggy code that GCC would probably never make a functional problem out of. [23:16] DaemonFC And that's why Clang is interesting sometimes. [23:17] frog llvm is a huge c++ monstrosity, not interested [23:17] TR News Linux Weekly Roundup #201 https://www.linuxmadesimple.info/2022/09/linux-weekly-roundup-201.html Source: Linux Made Simple | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.linuxmadesimple.info/2022/09/linux-weekly-roundup-201.html [23:17] TR Bot Linux Weekly Roundup #201 [23:17] frog and such types of compilers, modern GCC and LLVM, and the _entire_ "free software" system relying on it, this scares me to death [23:19] TR News "I do not miss being on Twitter the platform where our friendships developed but I am presently quite cognisant of the practical purposes it serves." gemini://xiu.smol.pub/1664118150 [23:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [23:20] frog it was just a tiny little piece, a sudo/doas replacement, because toybox hasn't got any, and the suckless.org one was incomplete [23:20] MinceR yeah, i don't know why anyone maintaining such a large project would want to rely on features such as namespaces, classes or STL :> [23:20] TR News C.S. Lewis on Anarchy gemini://josias.dev/gemlog/lewis.gmi [23:20] frog and doas, ships with configure.ac -> away with it [23:21] frog you know, what a bliss this is, if a POSIX makefile suffices, and a piece of software easily cross/compiles including tcc-toolchain, static linking, all passed [23:21] frog without problem [23:21] schestowitz[TR] MinceR Lewis [23:21] frog and the runtime/buildtime dependency graph is minimal [23:21] MinceR pretty sure i'm not religious [23:22] TR News "The above is modified from the first paragraph of C.S. Lewis's article called "Equality". In the original, C.S. Lewis argues that he believes democracy is preferable to hierarchical arrangements of society because humans are inherently evil." gemini://josias.dev/gemlog/lewis.gmi [23:22] frog in the next days, i'll re-fine the Paradise Linux package set, blacklisting autoconf/automake/perl/... [23:23] frog and see to, all necessary development tooling is available... which it will be [23:23] frog already got a neat editor, which is vis, and lua scripting... this won't cause any trouble [23:23] frog again, not GPL, MIT or ISC [23:24] MinceR modules would also be great, but i'm not sure if they're specified or implemented yet [23:24] frog of cause, the license banner doesn't reveal what quality to expect [23:24] MinceR not having macros leak from function/class definitions into every compilation unit that uses them is pretty nice [23:24] MinceR also not having using namespace std; leak :> [23:24] frog however, when i see GPL/GNU/FSF, i fear for the worst [23:26] frog and most BSD compromised too much, with the quality deficiencies, wouldn't want to sync against their ports/pkgsrc trees [23:26] frog same with gentoo, i'll not sync against their portrage tree anymore, that's the plan [23:28] frog i got an overview already, over what will remain; not sure, if at least some mp3 software or mplayer can be salvaged, probably not, most of it [23:28] TR News iTWire - US senators seek review of Chinese chip firm after Apple hints at use https://itwire.com/government-tech-news/government-tech-policy/us-senators-seek-review-of-chinese-chip-firm-after-apple-hints-at-use.html Source: IT Wire [23:28] TR Bot - US senators seek review of Chinese chip firm after Apple hints at use [23:28] frog because, i won't accept any GNU-buildsystem anymore; wherever this attached, away with it [23:28] TR News (NEW): LINMOB.net - Weekly GNU-like Mobile Linux Update (38/2022): GNOME 43, Waydroid progress on PinePhone Pro and tow-boot updates via fwupd http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/25/LINMOB_net_Weekly_GNU_like_Mobile_Linux_Update_38_2022_GNOME_43.shtml | [23:28] TR Bot Tux Machines LINMOB.net - Weekly GNU-like Mobile Linux Update (38/2022): GNOME 43, Waydroid progress on PinePhone Pro and tow-boot updates via fwupd [23:29] frog not because of GPL [23:30] frog and this is something, some among FSF and mjg59_ seem they don't understand [23:30] frog besides licensing, there is quality issues, with GNU [23:32] MinceR they don't seem to want quality [23:33] frog i recommend this approach: no-c++ anywhere and see what remains, with "free software" [23:33] psydruid or when they have something resembling it they go to destroy it [23:33] MinceR "no-c++" won't help [23:33] psydruid go on to* [23:33] frog that's one step, of cause, at any later time, bootstrapping a c++ compilere, that's fine, the problem is, the basis below [23:34] frog another step, full removal of GNU-buildsystem, see what remains... [23:34] MinceR it doesn't exclude rust, or java, or MICROS~1 visual java, or basic [23:34] frog same with this, of cause, i do NOT intend to block GNU-buildsystem, it can easily be added, problem is during early bootstrapping/system-integration steps [23:34] frog the dependency graph, as soon as any GNU, attaches, is beyond good and evil [23:36] frog it is, only a coincidence, then most software is MIT or ISC, not GPL [23:38] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:40] frog MinceR: no-c++ excludes all of this, java, rust, etc...; all this is implemented in c++ [23:40] frog the next revelation will be GNU-buildsystem removal [23:41] frog the line was crossed, when i had to roll-back to perl-5.8 (year 2003), and than some hackjobs into automake/autoconf for this [23:42] frog because, GNU can nuke the perl-5.8 compatibility any time, and i am not willing to dig deep into GNU shit with every autoconf/automake update [23:42] frog another reason, to remove autoconf/automake... i stumbled upon extremely weird side effects when calling autoreconf -if on older GNU software packages [23:43] frog autoconf/automake are not backwards compatible, and instead of installing one version of this wreckage, it is several versions required then [23:43] frog i recall someone, called it cancer [23:48] *techuser (~techuser@qiahibkh2iwka.irc) has joined #techrights [23:50] DaemonFC https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/article%3Fhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.nytimes.com%252Flive%252F2022%252F09%252F25%252Fworld%252Fitaly-elections [23:50] TR Bot Gemini Portal [23:50] DaemonFC "This month, a hard-right group founded by neo-Nazis and skinheads became the largest party in Swedens likely governing coalition. In France this year, the far-right leader Marine Le Pen for a second consecutive time reached the final round of presidential elections. In Spain, the hard-right Vox, a party closely aligned with Ms. Meloni, is surging." [23:50] DaemonFC An in the UK, Liz Trump. [23:50] DaemonFC Very Stable Western Democracies. [23:50] DaemonFC RMS frequently heaps praise on Western Europe, which is being taken over by "Nazis and skinheads", apparently. [23:52] DaemonFC This is what happens when leftists push everyone's wellbeing to the edge. [23:52] DaemonFC In the name of controlling the weather or some such nonsense. [23:52] *techuser has quit (connection closed) [23:53] *techuser (~techuser@rfvf22tttbu38.irc) has joined #techrights [23:53] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [23:53] DaemonFC mjg59_, Has it ever occurred to you that the reason this is playing out is because nobody wants anti-white racism shoved in their face all day and they certainly don't want $700 gas bills in the winter. [23:54] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [23:57] frog one of the most interesting builds will be: dev-vcs/git; if it is possible to pull that one into, without any component depending on GNU-buildsystem involved [23:57] frog tracking build-time dependencies will become more difficult, because the build-host still is gentoo/gnu-capable [23:58] frog and to roll-over onto the system without GNU-buildsystem is alot of work [23:59] frog however, if the tree is fully sanitized, there won't be that many packages remaining, to verify against, for example, against what Oasis Linux got