●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, June 26, 2021 ●● ● Jun 26 [00:01] DaemonFC https://www.extremetech.com/computing/324134-i-will-never-use-a-microsoft-account-to-log-into-my-own-pc [00:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC - ExtremeTech [00:01] DaemonFC schestowitz, ^ [00:02] XRevan86 Silly person, there's nothing wrong with hard-connecting something to the Internet and giving Microsoft more control. [00:02] XRevan86 https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/06/mass-data-wipe-in-my-book-devices-prompts-warning-from-western-digital/ hm, this happened. [00:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Im totally screwed. WD My Book Live users wake up to find their data deleted | Ars Technica [00:27] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:29] *MinceR has colors as well [00:43] techrights-news "Smart" https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/06/mass-data-wipe-in-my-book-devices-prompts-warning-from-western-digital/ [00:45] techrights-news Come to #GNU #Linux ... https://www.extremetech.com/computing/324134-i-will-never-use-a-microsoft-account-to-log-into-my-own-pc [00:46] schestowitz MinceR: but first wash the whites, you'll get around the colours when the shirts are all used up [00:47] techrights-news They say there is "no free lunch"... https://www.maketecheasier.com/automatically-back-up-photos-android/ [00:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | 5 Apps to Automatically Back Up Your Photos in Android - Make Tech Easier [00:50] techrights-news Coreboot Is Ridding Its Need For Intel's FSP-T Blob http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152688#comment-30063 [00:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source cache as ram with Intel Bootguard | Tux Machines [00:55] techrights-news More scandals in #debian and #Gulag Summer of Work (GSoC) https://debian.community/pranav-jain-debian-debconf-rent-boy-rumors/ [00:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-debian.community | Pranav Jain & Debian, DebConf, unfair rent boy rumors [00:57] techrights-news #CentOSStream vs. #CentOS Linux: #IBM #RedHat Explains the Differences | IT Pro https://www.itprotoday.com/linux/centos-stream-vs-centos-linux-red-hat-explains-differences #itprotoday should recognise the real objective of IBM here; all about money! Not community/sharing. [00:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itprotoday.com | CentOS Stream vs. CentOS Linux: Red Hat Explains the Differences | IT Pro ● Jun 26 [01:00] techrights-news " #Nexcom adds 8-inch and 12.1-inch products to its Panel PC family. The new Bay Trail-based units provide wider operating temperatures, AR, auto dimming and more Gbit Ethernet ports." http://linuxgizmos.com/8-and-12-1-panel-pcs-add-auto-diming-more-gbe-ports/ [01:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ http://linuxgizmos.com/8-and-12-1-panel-pcs-add-auto-diming-more-gbe-ports/ ) [01:00] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 27.60 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.00 swarm size (avg): 304.74 [01:01] techrights-news "Dont forget to take the Annual Fedora Survey and claim your badge! Fedora Linux 35 System-Wide Change proposals are due Tuesday." #ibm surveys the "assets" that are unpaid volunteers. https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fridays-fedora-facts-2021-25/ [01:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | Friday's Fedora Facts: 2021-25 Fedora Community Blog [01:01] techrights-news #GSoC 2021 #KMyMoney - Week 1 and 2 https://suraj-sloth.github.io/2021/06/25/gsoc21-week1-2.html #kde #freesw #GulagSummerOfWork [01:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-suraj-sloth.github.io | GSoC 2021 KMyMoney - Week 1 and 2 [01:03] techrights-news "I am almost at the end of the third week of my Outreachy internship and the journey has been nothing but phenomenal so far! Ive learned so many new things! Outreachy has been a journey filled with learning for me, right from the contribution period." https://veenanagar.wordpress.com/2021/06/26/everyone-struggles/ [01:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-veenanagar.wordpress.com | Everyone Struggles Veena Nagar [01:03] techrights-news "Based on that and on talks with both my mentor (Alexander) and Jonas Dreler (an experienced GNOME Shell developer who has fought with animation API designing before) Ive come with the following UML diagram..." https://blogs.gnome.org/manugen/2021/06/25/22/ [01:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org | GSoC update designing an animation API Manuel Genovs [01:04] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:09] techrights-news Ariadne Conill: understanding thread stack sizes and how alpine is different https://ariadne.space/2021/06/25/understanding-thread-stack-sizes-and-how-alpine-is-different/ #gnu #linux #alpinelinux #freesw [01:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ariadne.space | understanding thread stack sizes and how alpine is different Ariadne's Space [01:09] techrights-news "If you have a command that outputs a lot of data to the terminal, you might want to send that output to a file for easier (or later) viewing or sharing. Jack Wallen shows you how." https://www.techrepublic.com/videos/linux-how-to-send-command-output-to-a-file/ [01:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux: How to send command output to a file - TechRepublic [01:11] techrights-news After taking money from #Microsoft the #Collabora company outsourced to Microsoft #ProprietarySoftware trap/prison: "On 1 October 2020, Collabora Online moved to its new home on GitHub" https://www.collaboraoffice.com/ [01:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.collaboraoffice.com | Collabora - the world's leading LibreOffice services company - online & pc [01:12] techrights-news #GSoC and Outreachy in #GNOME and #KDE http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152699 [01:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GSoC and Outreachy in GNOME and KDE | Tux Machines [01:14] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152700 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [01:17] techrights-news Digital transformation, changes in the database market drive #Postgres growth https://siliconangle.com/2021/06/25/digital-transformation-changes-database-market-drive-postgres-growth-postgresvision2021/ #db #psql [01:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Digital transformation, changes in the database market drive Postgres growth - SiliconANGLE [01:18] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [01:20] techrights-news "Reg readers have a reputation as never being short of an opinion. So, it is with more than a little surprise that we must declare our latest debate, on the motion Containers will kill Virtual Machines, was a tie!" https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/25/containers_vs_vms_debate_result/ [01:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Will containers kill VMs? There are no winners in this debate The Register [01:22] techrights-news Flatpak for Beginners: An Introduction to Downloading Software With #Flatpak https://www.makeuseof.com/flatpak-for-beginners/ #ibm #redhat [01:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.makeuseof.com | Flatpak for Beginners: An Introduction to Downloading Software With Flatpak [01:23] techrights-news The 6 non-negotiable REST architecture constraints https://searchapparchitecture.techtarget.com/tip/The-6-non-negotiable-REST-architecture-constraints [01:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-searchapparchitecture.techtarget.com | The 6 non-negotiable REST architecture constraints [01:24] techrights-news Lots of #microsoft #googlebombing and fluff in #TheRegister this past week. Very very disappointing, but not too shocking. http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/the-register-microsoft-pr/ [01:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fall of The Register | Techrights [01:25] techrights-news Fact Specific Analysis is Key when Restricting on Employee Expression https://www.aalrr.com/EdLawConnectBlog/fact-specific-analysis-is-key-when-restricting #FirstAmendment #Bremerton [01:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.aalrr.com | Fact Specific Analysis is Key when Restricting on Employee Expression: Atkinson, Andelson, Loya, Ruud & Romo [01:26] schestowitz "Poor code quality is actually a widespread problem and quite a bit of evidence supports the claim that bad coding practices lead directly to vulnerabilities. While this isnt new, perhaps the first time that people truly became aware of it was in 2001 when the Code Red worm exploited a buffer overflow attack on Microsofts Internet Information Services (IIS)" https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/embedded-revolution/article/21168142/ [01:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/embedded-revolution/article/21168142 ) [01:26] schestowitz iar-systems-from-code-quality-to-total-security [01:27] *techrights-news has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:28] *techrights-news (~techrights-news@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [01:29] *activelow isn't a good programmer [01:30] techrights-news #ArsTechnica is spamming and #googlebombing for #microsoft ... to help Microsoft distract from ACTUAL news. As expected... http://techrights.org/2021/06/24/microsoft-attacking-linux-from-the-inside/ [01:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Politicians Need to Crack Down on Microsofts Monopoly Abuse Amid Yet More Attacks on Linux (Even From the Inside) | Techrights [01:32] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@x3zmpeepgnn9g.irc) has joined #techrights [01:32] techrights-news Stay classy, #theHill ... helping to portray people who try to save the planet "zealots"... https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/457812-the-latest-victims-of-the-far-lefts-environmental-zealotry-long [01:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The latest victims of the far-left's environmental zealotry: Long Islanders | TheHill [01:33] techrights-news #RedHat , #Fedora and #CentOS Stream http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152701 #GNU #Linux [01:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat, Fedora and CentOS Stream | Tux Machines [01:33] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techrights [01:34] techrights-news #ProprietarySoftware Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152702 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux Machines [01:36] techrights-news #iam is a bribed mouthpiece of #corruption -ridden #epo management. Hardly surprising that it also celebrates #taxevasion by means of #patents https://www.iam-media.com/eight-years-of-the-uk-patent-box-what-has-changed [01:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | Eight years of the UK Patent Box what has changed? | IAM [01:37] activelow circuit design was something i *was* good at, 18 years ago, and some maths; capital damages since then some dozens of millions [01:38] techrights-news #Patent maximalists attacking courts that aren't into the 'religion' of #patent maximalism https://www.law.com/nationallawjournal/2021/04/21/supreme-court-may-be-stuck-with-patent-doctrine-it-never-developed/ [01:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Supreme Court May Be Stuck With Patent Doctrine It Never Developed | National Law Journal [01:38] schestowitz activelow: I did some too in college [01:38] schestowitz what did you work on? [01:39] activelow with circuit design we were lectured early during the course of telco studies [01:40] activelow i had the opportunity to fiddle together some trivial circuit for the Berlin clock [01:41] activelow the lecture itself was more challenging than flashing the altera fpga later [01:43] activelow schestowitz: with my memories from this i fiddled together some symmetric block cipher few month ago: https://github.com/agg1/scram88 [01:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - agg1/scram88: scram88 polymorphic scrambler matrix crypto stack [01:45] schestowitz altera? [01:45] schestowitz are they still doing ok? [01:45] schestowitz defunct 2015: altera [01:45] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altera [01:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Altera - Wikipedia [01:45] activelow acquired by intel, otherwise i don't know what they're doing now [01:45] schestowitz I used xilinx [01:46] schestowitz xilinx is still en route to becoming amd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xilinx [01:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Xilinx - Wikipedia [01:46] schestowitz activelow: how did you find us online? [01:46] schestowitz you are relatively new [01:47] activelow schestowitz: i followed some of the drama around freenode, and your website instantly caught me attention when you opposed the gossip related to RMS and similar [01:48] schestowitz oh, I see [01:48] schestowitz seems like you have some valuable insights regarding machinations in germany [01:48] XRevan86 So that drama was good for something? [01:48] schestowitz we cover lots of corruption in germany [01:48] schestowitz XRevan86: that drama is not even over yet [01:48] schestowitz I have tons of unpublished notes [01:49] *schestowitz checked text fike [01:49] schestowitz *file [01:49] XRevan86 schestowitz: Feels like there's nothing that can change freenode's fate at this point. [01:49] schestowitz almost 3,000 lines [01:49] schestowitz XRevan86: I agree, but we can lessen the chaos [01:49] schestowitz remember we still use freenode [01:49] schestowitz in case there's some server maintenance or whatnot [01:49] XRevan86 Those that are left don't care about absolutely anything. They will only leave when they actually notice the already existing information. [01:50] XRevan86 schestowitz: That's not a good back-up %) [01:50] schestowitz it is a temporary one [01:50] schestowitz for line, one hour... [01:50] schestowitz *like [01:51] schestowitz either way, better than spreading to another network [01:51] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:51] schestowitz (which is not ours) [01:51] XRevan86 schestowitz: O.K., there's no real reason to look for a replacement right now. [01:51] schestowitz right [01:51] schestowitz BTW [01:51] schestowitz that LC channel? [01:51] XRevan86 when freenode actually dies for good, I'll bring this up [01:51] schestowitz only two lines of activity yesterday [01:51] schestowitz all day [01:51] XRevan86 schestowitz: Good I guess. [01:51] schestowitz and 2 lines of no substance/relevance [01:52] schestowitz freenode will be repurposed, not die [01:52] XRevan86 it's in purgatory right now [01:52] schestowitz it's already dead as per its original purpose and status [01:52] XRevan86 (I mean the channel, but freenode too) [01:52] schestowitz I will start writing about freenode this week [01:52] XRevan86 schestowitz: Yes, it has been repurposed. [01:52] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@x3zmpeepgnn9g.irc) has joined #techrights [01:52] schestowitz but in a more constructive fashion [01:52] schestowitz XRevan86: glad we agree [01:53] schestowitz and for a different purpose, not "FOSS" [01:53] XRevan86 I did mention that for sure :) [01:53] schestowitz "1 score and a little over 2 years ago, IRC was created by the great and honorable Jarkko Oikarinen. It's had its ups and downs, from the era of net splits to the era of cancel culture. However, we're proud to announce that we've completely obliterated the swamp removing the shackles on progress, and now we're sailing blue seas. YaRR!" [01:53] schestowitz https://freenode.net/ [01:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | freenode [01:53] schestowitz "It's had its ups and downs, from the era of net splits to the era of cancel culture" [01:53] schestowitz That was never an issue for freenode [01:53] XRevan86 when I linked to the freenode policy change for one thing [01:53] schestowitz until last month [01:54] XRevan86 rasegan thinks in stamps, clichs [01:54] schestowitz I might even do an annotated version of the train wreck interview [01:54] schestowitz but that would take time and effort [01:54] schestowitz which I have overnight, I should be good until midday tomorrow [01:55] schestowitz has someone already done such a rebuttal? [01:55] schestowitz I mean, people did transcribe it [01:55] schestowitz but... rebuttal? [01:55] XRevan86 rasengan is playing victim, and it's such a "cancel culture" thing to do it's ludicrous. [01:56] schestowitz at one point we might also want to remark on the LC situation and our 'fake' or 'unauthorised' channel [01:56] schestowitz that card worked, XRevan86 [01:56] XRevan86 schestowitz: I don't think it is worth bringing up. [01:56] schestowitz until a month ago [01:56] schestowitz it started to get crumpled with those 700 channels [01:56] schestowitz that got 'canceled' for wanting to move [01:57] schestowitz XRevan86: rianne_ asked me to at least mentioned that channel, but I said... merely mentioning it would raise awareness and maybe bring enemies of ours to it [01:57] schestowitz so if it's mentioned, it can be in vague terms [01:57] XRevan86 schestowitz: That channel is a dead place for a reason. [01:57] schestowitz but first, I will write a rebuttal to the "Africa as a country" interview [01:58] schestowitz XRevan86: yeah... [01:58] XRevan86 and saying that Libera did something wrong is just not correct [01:58] XRevan86 that channel exists in its current state not from their actions [01:59] schestowitz Lee tried to get me to help [01:59] schestowitz about 5 times over the past month [01:59] schestowitz but I pushed back [01:59] schestowitz e.g.: [01:59] schestowitz [23:37] hope you've been well - https://bbs.freenode.net/ is setup if you would like to promote techrights articles. you just go to #freenode-bbs and use the bot (type 'help' in there). #freenode-bbs-discussion is where posts will go when they make it to the website (and where people can chat)! [01:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bbs.freenode.net | freenode BBS [01:59] schestowitz [23:38] wow, bbs! [01:59] schestowitz [23:40] xD [01:59] XRevan86 schestowitz: Yea, he clearly thought ye're an ally. [01:59] schestowitz I may participate when the dust settles entirely, seeing that anything perceived as support of freenode can now get you threats of deplatforming [01:59] schestowitz [23:42] ah... good point and makes sense. [01:59] schestowitz [23:53] It's a sad thing that society has come to this, but we need to combat this trend diplomatically [01:59] schestowitz [23:55] i agree [01:59] schestowitz [23:56] its pretty sad tbh lol [01:59] schestowitz [23:56] we're regressing as a society [01:59] schestowitz [23:56] some kinda lord of the flies thing going on here lol [01:59] schestowitz [23:59] techrights wrote about those issues ages ago [01:59] schestowitz [00:00] right now it seems like the only 'dirt' they have on us is manufactured [01:59] schestowitz [00:01] I agree [01:59] XRevan86 and even before showing up here he used techrights.org links [01:59] schestowitz later on phanes tried to contact me several times ● Jun 26 [02:00] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 26.43 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 32.21 swarm size (avg): 304.65 [02:00] XRevan86 schestowitz: I remember, yes. [02:00] schestowitz I >could< be an ally [02:00] schestowitz but that all changed the moment they took over channels [02:00] schestowitz which sort of proved the point about them being "hostile" [02:01] schestowitz Remember that when I first covered the freenode scandals I was not supportive of them [02:01] XRevan86 I don't like how these conspirology-oriented people keep finding techrights [02:01] schestowitz but I said, let's not rock the boat... many projects just want calm [02:01] schestowitz XRevan86: "people" [02:01] schestowitz who else? [02:02] schestowitz there are "conspirology-oriented people" everywhere in the world [02:02] XRevan86 schestowitz: Oh, just some passing through Bill Gates chipisation idea supporters [02:02] schestowitz we don't attract them actually [02:02] XRevan86 clinged to Bill Gates criticism [02:02] schestowitz quite the opposite [02:02] XRevan86 then there was zlaxy [02:02] schestowitz that Gates tried to portray his critics as nuts for 2 years if well documented [02:02] schestowitz and that helped him delay his demise [02:03] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:03] XRevan86 that man is very hard to get rid off [02:03] schestowitz it'll take time [02:03] schestowitz Warren B. is the latest to run away from him [02:03] schestowitz Gates Foundation is floundering now [02:03] XRevan86 I wonder if he's still harassing the Fediverse [02:03] schestowitz they might have to rename it to salvage it [02:03] XRevan86 schestowitz: I meant zlaxy :) [02:03] schestowitz zlaxy, IIRC, was in disapora [02:03] schestowitz accusing people of being NSA assets? [02:03] XRevan86 schestowitz: And Pleroma and more, yes [02:04] schestowitz He also harassed anonymiss [02:04] XRevan86 schestowitz: Yes, that's the guy. [02:04] schestowitz I just learned to ignore him [02:04] schestowitz the more you talk back, the more abuse you'll get [02:04] XRevan86 I had the misfortune of being more closely connected with him via XMPP [02:04] schestowitz because he thrives in not being ignored [02:05] schestowitz I didn't "attract" him [02:05] schestowitz he seems to be pooing over everywhere... wanting a reaction [02:05] XRevan86 I hope I wasn't the one who got his attention to techrights [02:05] XRevan86 he definitely learnt of the Fediverse from me [02:05] schestowitz I doubt it [02:05] schestowitz I noticed him over a year ago in disapora [02:06] schestowitz talking nonsense about me [02:06] schestowitz by connecting me to anonymiss [02:06] activelow the fun part about busting some of the symmetric crypto nonsense was i didn't at least intend to do so [02:06] XRevan86 schestowitz: I've known him since 2015-2016 [02:07] activelow only intended to practice little programming, and see if something efficient could be had for low power embedded [02:08] XRevan86 schestowitz: A bit shameful to admit that. [02:08] schestowitz crypto hackers get lots of government abuse [02:08] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:08] schestowitz in general [02:08] schestowitz over a decade ago you could find account of it [02:08] schestowitz they would stock, harass and threaten people who work on crypto [02:08] schestowitz worrying they might 'export' ciphers that actually work [02:08] schestowitz apparently those crypto wars go decades back [02:09] schestowitz and include pgp [02:09] activelow my grieve was the inefficiency only, if industry hadn't clusterfucked this i hadn't payed attention at least [02:09] schestowitz There's recognition that if 'the people' get good crypto going, they can gain leverage over governments and corporations, as Wikileaks did for a few years [02:09] XRevan86 His worst quality is that he doesn't take "no" for an answer. If he's rejected, he will push even more. [02:09] schestowitz yes [02:10] schestowitz you cannot convince him [02:10] schestowitz he'll become more aggressive [02:10] schestowitz I tried [02:10] XRevan86 And then fantasise a narrative that justifies that with the Fifth Column or something. [02:10] schestowitz the one problem doing a rebuttal to this "interview" is the language it involves [02:10] schestowitz "L: This l0de radio. The nations number one negro" [02:10] schestowitz I mean, is it OK to quote that? [02:11] XRevan86 What does that even mean? [02:11] schestowitz he's not black [02:11] schestowitz maybe a form of trolling [02:11] XRevan86 nor number one [02:11] schestowitz calling oneself an offensive term [02:11] schestowitz either way, I suppose that shows what company Lee keeps around... [02:11] XRevan86 "negro" is technically not offensive, but it's weirdly iffy [02:11] schestowitz I do want to rebut or remark on some of that BS [02:12] schestowitz negro just literally means black [02:12] schestowitz negros, nigeria... [02:12] XRevan86 I think it's okay to quote when not supporting his narrative. [02:12] schestowitz there are wines and products called "negro" [02:12] XRevan86 Jes, i estas korekte [02:12] schestowitz OK, I'll crack on with it [02:13] kingoffrance well, ""1 score and a little over 2 years ago," a score is 20 years, not 30. irc was circa 1988 apparently, not 98 [02:15] XRevan86 schestowitz: The Latin word for black is "niger" with the obvious pronunciation. [02:15] schestowitz it became an insult because of how it was used [02:15] schestowitz and who by [02:15] schestowitz some "negros" took control of the word later [02:16] schestowitz in "gangsa culture" [02:16] XRevan86 And then there's Montenegro [02:16] schestowitz but in the US I believe it was a derogatory collective term for slaves [02:16] schestowitz maybe one day it won't be an insult... decades from now [02:16] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [02:16] schestowitz hi AdmFubar [02:16] XRevan86 which is an Italian name for a Slavic country [02:16] AdmFubar https://www.darkreading.com/endpoint/new-cpu-baseline-for-windows-11-will-ensure-better-security-microsoft-says/d/d-id/1341412 [02:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.darkreading.com | New CPU Baseline for Windows 11 Will Ensure Better ... [02:17] AdmFubar hi roy [02:17] *sepsinn has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.2) [02:17] schestowitz Vista 11 vapourware [02:17] schestowitz everywhere one looks [02:17] schestowitz it's deliberate [02:17] schestowitz Microsoft spews that everywhere [02:17] schestowitz lots to distract from this week [02:17] XRevan86 schestowitz: Such terms get reclaimed all the time, yes. [02:17] schestowitz so they googlebomb everything with it [02:17] AdmFubar time to force that upgrading in the name of security! think of the children! [02:19] XRevan86 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Hr-crn.ogg Serbo-Croatian is on another level [02:20] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@m4syrzi9e43fs.irc) has joined #techrights [02:21] activelow i don't understand the recent vista drama, systems are loaded with nonsense for decades already, no idea how this could be "improved" upon any further [02:21] kingoffrance can someone explain better? re: https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc/2021-June/236219.html i think it is poorly worded, but the later https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc/2021-June/236212.html clarifies his position (no idea if that is a correct position though). FWIU, he seems to say: if you have some code that is say "gpl 3 or later" you can "fork" it as "gpl 4". this would be a fork from what i see -- in the sense of doesnt magically let you [02:21] kingoffrance change other people's terms for other code. this is irrespective of "copyright holder" from what i see, and i beileve he is saying such a "gpl 3 or later" license allows you to do this. you just can't force anyone to go along with it, etc. ; i believe he is saying irrespective of "copyright holder" a license may let you relicense your fork -- you cannot force anyone to go along with you though [02:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gcc.gnu.org | Update to GCC copyright assignment policy [02:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gcc.gnu.org | Update to GCC copyright assignment policy [02:21] XRevan86 The same word in Russian/Ukrainian/Belarusian is pronounced like this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/62/Ru-%D1%87%D1%91%D1%80%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9.ogg [02:21] XRevan86 two syllables? how lame [02:22] AdmFubar it is just marketing nonsense activelow [02:23] activelow AdmFubar: it is not [02:23] kingoffrance maybe it comes down to "gpl 3 or later" for example, are you required to give everyone else the same option, or can you fork into "gpl 4 only" (make believe example) ? [02:24] kingoffrance someone who knows better i hope can clarify, i dont want to misquote him [02:24] XRevan86 kingoffrance: Yes, ye can make a derivative that's GPLv4 only [02:24] XRevan86 but the original code will still be available as GPLv3+ [02:24] kingoffrance ok, i think that is what he means (poorly phrased) " You do not have to keep all the previous licenses because the intention of the gpl is to give back to users those rights which copyright would otherwise withold." [02:25] XRevan86 so if your GPLv4 code is removed, it can be taken as GPLv3 [02:25] kingoffrance yes, that was my thought of how it worked [02:25] kingoffrance yup [02:25] XRevan86 it's practical dual-licensing [02:25] kingoffrance yep, makes sense [02:26] XRevan86 There's GPLv2+ code still around in plenty [02:26] XRevan86 no real need for hypothesising about GPLv4 [02:29] XRevan86 schestowitz: It is curious if freenode still has any donated servers at all. [02:29] XRevan86 but oh well, it can probably live off rasengan's pocket indefinitely [02:30] XRevan86 it's not Matrix to eat all the resources and ask for more :) [02:31] XRevan86 the first to go will be the newly hosted GitLab instance anyway [02:32] XRevan86 schestowitz: It was possibly not the best suggestion actually :D [02:36] techrights-news *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-250621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-250621.txt Read the log now... [02:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, June 25, 2021 [02:37] techrights-news *** *** Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-250621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-250621.txt Read the log now... 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And, uh, word on the street is that you are a fan of drug legalization. Is this true or can you not comment, or whatever? [02:42] schestowitz R: You know Im not really like, uh, fan of, uh, you know, Im not trying to like push something on other people but, you know, people have a choice what they want to put in their body as long as theyre not harming anyone else. [02:42] schestowitz L: Alright, Im with it, Im with it. Alright, um, but yeah, there have been some pretty legendary court filings, where I believe you were accused of snuffling up a fucking mountain of cocaine and, uh, running a brothel, and other- other pimp type activities. Do you wanna comment on that at all, or were those just unfounded allegations? [02:42] schestowitz R: Cartel, brother. [02:42] schestowitz L: The cartel? So you were running a cartel essentially? [02:42] schestowitz R: Shit. [02:42] schestowitz L: Thats pretty fucking wild right there. Not a lot of people will just straight up admit to running a cartel on the radio. Youre a brave man Andrew Lee. Alright [02:42] schestowitz R: Very brave. [02:42] schestowitz " [02:42] schestowitz f. [02:42] schestowitz CrystalMath: that's the part you told me about [02:42] CrystalMath it was a little weird, yes [02:42] schestowitz R is Andrew Lee [02:42] CrystalMath but i'm guessing Andrew Lee was joking about all the things he was accused of [02:42] schestowitz maybe. [02:42] *sepsinn (~sepsinn@c9nu4ummhfn7e.irc) has joined #techrights [02:43] schestowitz I am writing a response to all that [02:43] AdmFubar https://threatpost.com/my-book-live-wiped-rce-attacks/167270/ [02:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-My Book Live Users Wake Up to Wiped Devices | Threatpost [02:43] XRevan86 It's a non-answer [02:43] schestowitz esp. criticising the attacks on christel and others [02:43] schestowitz XRevan86: if it is categorically false, there's a way to respond to it [02:43] schestowitz if it is PARTLY, any response can only do harm [02:44] XRevan86 Not a good tactic as people can still use that against one. [02:44] XRevan86 schestowitz: I think he's not used to being a public speaker even to the Putin's level. [02:44] CrystalMath schestowitz: l0de's question was like: "you were accused of ..." and Andrew Lee responded with "cartel, brother", referring to the *accusation*, not its truthfulness [02:44] XRevan86 Putin's non-answers are better. [02:47] XRevan86 Putin would have said: what ye're referring to, what ye just said, I heard many such accusations, I can see there's some honest desire to find the truth in people behind those accusations, but also some twisting the truth as well. Some of those allegations were already proven false and that's my response to that whole debacle. [02:49] XRevan86 A good non-answer is one that cannot be fully taken as an actual answer but still hard to fully prove as not having an answer in it, at least not in time. No interviewer is going to try to prove a non-answer to be a non-answer for hours on end. [02:49] XRevan86 if they still try give another non-answer, they'll give up after that [02:51] activelow it is very irritating for me, having joined freenode to enlighten the people about my views of quantum physics and Einsteins misconceptions, talk about maths and science [02:51] activelow then being offended as crackpot, crazy, etc. banned and silenced [02:51] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:51] phobos/fn Welcome to the world of liberalism [02:51] phobos/fn ::/ [02:51] activelow in parallel to some prince conducting business with bitcoin and coke [02:52] XRevan86 activelow: freenode was never a place with a strong physics presence, so I don't know with whom ye were trying to discuss all that. [02:53] activelow wrong XRevan86, i do remember at least two participants who are involved with physics [02:53] XRevan86 oh, two, okay [02:55] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [02:55] XRevan86 Maybe some quantum computing or cryptography folk are the crowd. [02:56] XRevan86 although not sure if they're interested in a history lesson [02:56] activelow in #crypto former freenode was occupied with shitcoins mostly, which is boring to discuss brute forcing some hashes [02:56] XRevan86 they took over that word [02:56] activelow i wanted to talk about 128bit general purpose registers in modern CPUs [02:57] activelow so, if libera.chat is the old freenode i see little benefit in registering there again [02:57] XRevan86 activelow: It is. The new freenode has way less substance though. [02:58] XRevan86 so it's not really a comparison [02:58] XRevan86 > Cryptography theory and practice, not cryptocurrency [02:58] XRevan86 #crypto at Libera has this in the title. [02:59] activelow you see, my symmetric cipher, my hash design and rng are crap ● Jun 26 [03:00] XRevan86 while #crypto at freenode appears to be cryptocurrency [03:00] XRevan86 maybe it wasn't before, but it is now [03:00] activelow leave alone some project coordination, at best some sneak on the ideas of others and capitalise upon with little to no ethical doubts [03:01] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [03:01] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 35.30 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 14.81 swarm size (avg): 304.82 [03:01] XRevan86 activelow: What's your RNG? [03:02] AdmFubar https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/26/linux_kernel_contributor_from_huawei/ [03:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Huawei dev scolded for pointless Linux kernel code contributions The Register [03:02] XRevan86 I thought the topic of RNG is pretty much figured out at this point. [03:02] activelow the RNG was the entry point to benchmark achievable maximum I/O throughput with the design i proposed [03:03] XRevan86 AdmFubar: I saw the commit and how did this person figure out how to use git? [03:06] techrights-ipfs-bot Gemini requests since start of month: 142453 total Total pages: 35947 Active: active (running) since Tue 2021-06-08 16:18:39 BST; 2 weeks 3 days ago [03:06] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS local node stats (past 23 hours) calculated. TotalIn: 2.5 GB TotalOut: 502 MB [03:06] techrights-ipfs-bot New daily bulletin just generated. It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID [03:06] AdmFubar don't ask me... ask him.. :P [03:06] AdmFubar https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/25/aws_bugbust_contest/ [03:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | AWS launches BugBust contest: Help fix a $100m problem for a $12 tshirt The Register [03:07] activelow the design is some trivial linear-feedback-shift-register (LFSR), which 1) must be implemented correctly be it either a stream cipher or block cipher mode and 2) a software implementation can hugely benefit from some alteration to their design rationale, a feedback loop which alters the internal circuitry of the LFSR depending on the initial state of (password) and what the keystream is applied to [03:07] activelow (feedback of ciphertext into the LFSR to alter it's internal generator polynome) [03:07] schestowitz He said, "Im probably like the king of overdrafts." [03:07] schestowitz ha [03:07] techrights-news #Huawei dev scolded for pointless #Linux #kernel code contributions https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/26/linux_kernel_contributor_from_huawei/ [03:08] schestowitz AdmFubar: free marketing for AMazon/Bezos [03:08] techrights-ipfs-bot QmXWM739fasQ1QSDPyf7CYGbRzny4RnfstXa97sZoavDtt [03:08] AdmFubar not free marketing.. free work.... [03:08] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techrights [03:08] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [03:08] XRevan86 https://netsplit.de/channels/?chat=crypto how the heck does netsplit sorts the channels [03:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-netsplit.de | NO TITLE [03:08] XRevan86 the biggest room is at the end of the second page [03:09] activelow and then i applied this design rationale to the hash and the cipher, and 3) re-implemented ECB mode of operation, let's say as secure ECB (sECB) to hash the block keys correctly [03:09] schestowitz XRevan86: do you want to proofread me when done? [03:09] schestowitz will be several more minutes [03:09] XRevan86 okay [03:10] schestowitz thanks [03:11] activelow this has huge benefits, it's cryptographically secure because a "known plaintext attack" results in a "non-primitive recursion" which other symmetric ciphers potentially do not [03:11] activelow meaning with a known-plaintext attack it is NOT possible to quickly compute the block keys [03:11] XRevan86 activelow: This means nothing to me, sorry. [03:11] activelow the hash by design is 512bit, not feasible to brute force [03:11] activelow and best of it: it is extremely fast [03:12] activelow typical ciphers process dozens of rounds re-applying their voodoo, my design processes one round only and is done with it [03:12] XRevan86 activelow: If #crypto on Libera (formerly ##crypto on freenode) didn't like it, I have no place to advise. [03:13] activelow this design too busts some bitcoin myths [03:17] activelow maybe then check what #math had to say? not that i practiced alot of math in the last years. [03:19] XRevan86 ##math on Libera, still two hashes. [03:20] XRevan86 I can see that ##math on freenode is dead even without joining. [03:21] activelow #econometrics and #economics [03:21] schestowitz OK, finalising.. [03:21] activelow i was op on ##econometrics [03:21] activelow personally granted by moriarty [03:22] schestowitz what is l0de's real name? [03:22] schestowitz I don't want to use nicknames [03:23] schestowitz I get the impression he sniffs coke, but he does not say that [03:25] schestowitz This guy is nuts. https://twitter.com/l0de?lang=en [03:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 400 @ https://mobile.twitter.com/l0de?lang=en ) [03:26] schestowitz Lode Ray Dio? [03:27] schestowitz http://horatiobrunswick.com.overviewstats.com/ [03:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-horatiobrunswick.com.overviewstats.com | horatiobrunswick.com : 403 Forbidden | OverviewStats [03:27] schestowitz yes, Lode Ray Dio [03:28] XRevan86 schestowitz: FAQ called him that [03:29] XRevan86 schestowitz: But judging by how troll-y he is, I am not confident. [03:36] activelow #physics was somehow sad too, since i am totally convinced i had cracked the nut what was wrong with some concepts [03:37] activelow with some cooperation there a mind-blowing paper could have been published [03:37] schestowitz ok, ready.. [03:39] schestowitz XRevan86: http://techrights.org/2021/06/25/andrew-lee-l0de-interview/ [03:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Annotated Transcript of Andrew Lee (Freenode) Interview With Lode Ray Dio | Techrights [03:39] schestowitz feel free to add things [03:39] schestowitz like parts of importance that I may have overlooked [03:39] schestowitz and which stood out [03:41] XRevan86 schestowitz: Ye mention "nations number one negro" twice. [03:41] schestowitz yes [03:41] schestowitz in quotes [03:42] XRevan86 I think repetition reduces the impact. [03:42] XRevan86 schestowitz: Ye could mention that he's a GNAA [03:42] schestowitz I'vre checked again [03:42] schestowitz I am OK with it [03:42] schestowitz I don't want to name GNAA [03:42] schestowitz because most people don't know GNAA [03:42] schestowitz and don't know what it is [03:43] schestowitz and I'd rather they did not check [03:43] XRevan86 or call him a professional troll as the second instance [03:44] schestowitz would rather not namecall [03:44] schestowitz they do it to themselves [03:44] XRevan86 to you it's a bug, to him it's a feature [03:44] schestowitz wait [03:44] schestowitz I will add that to summary [03:44] schestowitz "of GNAA infamy" [03:46] XRevan86 debt is also a "to you it's a bug, to him it's a feature" thing [03:46] schestowitz not direct quote? [03:46] schestowitz I cannot find such a thing in the text [03:46] XRevan86 no, I said it prior [03:47] XRevan86 about the professional troll thing [03:47] XRevan86 and now I apply it to the debt thing [03:47] schestowitz I see.. [03:47] XRevan86 I just remembered that rasengan said (I think to you) that debt improves the credit score [03:48] activelow asked once in #philosophy if free culture and arts crossed the line: https://external-preview.redd.it/5nt11PLmfMMvTv5xmhgVHI6WWdFVHIHAZqZ8CJyv880.jpg [03:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://external-preview.redd.it/5nt11PLmfMMvTv5xmhgVHI6WWdFVHIHAZqZ8CJyv880.jpg ) [03:49] XRevan86 > Thats rather vague, but one can imagine which organisations are alluded to. [03:49] XRevan86 I don't actually know, although it is either Debian or InspIRCd [03:50] schestowitz [03:47] I just remembered that rasengan said (I think to you) that debt improves the credit score [03:50] schestowitz I heard that too [03:50] schestowitz it's BS [03:50] schestowitz maybe lender's BS [03:50] XRevan86 > Alright, so, your big deal here was essentially these freenode fucking pretenders were coming through and acting like they were in charge of, like, these entire organizations, uh, these big projects that, like, some of these open source projects [03:50] schestowitz he told me things about debt [03:50] schestowitz but private convos [03:50] XRevan86 Is he talking about the staff or about the channel ops of all those projects that moved to Libera? [03:51] schestowitz not clear [03:51] XRevan86 It's ridiculous either way. [03:51] schestowitz yes [03:52] XRevan86 that they are in fact in charge is backed up the official website of said projects [03:52] XRevan86 * backed by [03:52] schestowitz they call it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoist_with_his_own_petard [03:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Hoist with his own petard - Wikipedia [03:53] XRevan86 That rasengan thinks that the ops are no one and have no authority is something that reality has proven wrong. [03:55] activelow to summarize #philosophy: yes it does according to them (now LC) [03:58] schestowitz XRevan86: thanks for checking [03:58] *XRevan86 hasn't finished. [03:58] schestowitz I just want to make sure people understand who controls Freenode now [03:58] schestowitz XRevan86: will wait [03:59] XRevan86 I do think that meant the "Big FOSS" channel ops and not the literal staff, or an intersection of them. ● Jun 26 [04:00] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 30.43 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 6.20 swarm size (avg): 305.08 [04:00] schestowitz that term is misleading [04:00] schestowitz in fact, I never heard it before [04:00] XRevan86 schestowitz: It is indeed. It just means the projects that left freenode :) [04:01] schestowitz I interpret that as people moaning about "liberal| big tech [04:01] schestowitz which is itself as a lie [04:01] schestowitz those companies are not "liberal" [04:01] schestowitz and then projecting that onto free software projects [04:02] XRevan86 schestowitz: Debian is probably a big part of that. [04:02] schestowitz apropos: http://techrights.org/2020/06/13/bill-gates-not-a-liberal/ [04:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Quit Calling Bill Gates a Liberal | Techrights [04:02] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/04/04/microsoft-nationalism/ [04:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | Techrights [04:02] schestowitz SOme 'liberals'.... [04:03] XRevan86 I like how initially rasengan was saying that he thinks no ill of Libera, and now he says that trash. [04:04] schestowitz I can come up with theories [04:04] schestowitz one about emotion [04:04] schestowitz another about substance [04:04] schestowitz not in the "substance of argument" sense [04:04] XRevan86 one is that on radio he's high and here he was doing "public relations"? [04:04] schestowitz a lot of the ramblings makes no sense at all [04:05] schestowitz apparently it's a show that gives a platform to drug addicts and worse [04:05] schestowitz no idea if he spoke to colleagues before going on that 'show [04:05] schestowitz or whether he even knew what the show was about [04:05] schestowitz many such people like to mislead people into coming "on the show" [04:06] schestowitz by falsely portraying themselves [04:06] schestowitz and this way they gain credibility for themselves [04:06] schestowitz at somebody else's expense [04:06] schestowitz they get audience, too [04:07] XRevan86 The "social organizational debt" bit deserves more attention. [04:08] XRevan86 > not some phones with nagging notifications [04:08] XRevan86 One thing is if that at least worked. [04:08] CrystalMath schestowitz: btw there's a misattribution [04:08] CrystalMath in the transcript [04:08] techrights-news #Techrights Bulletin for Friday, June 25, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [04:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [04:09] CrystalMath when libera was mentioned, "what the f*** is what s***" was not said by R but by P [04:09] schestowitz I saw that part [04:09] schestowitz ah, will correct [04:09] CrystalMath s/what/that/ [04:09] schestowitz corrected [04:09] CrystalMath P was presumably not told about the new network at all [04:10] XRevan86 I also like how l0de intentionally uses wording like "Freenode is getting wiped out" many times, and rasengan gladly agrees. [04:10] techrights-news #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [04:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [04:11] schestowitz this interview was never supposed to even happen [04:11] schestowitz but I assume it brought out some inner thoughts [04:11] schestowitz the important parts are Lee's words [04:11] XRevan86 Indeed so [04:11] techrights-news Annotated Transcript of #AndrewLee ( #Freenode ) Interview With Lode Ray Dio http://techrights.org/2021/06/25/andrew-lee-l0de-interview/ #irc needs to be understood. Its owners too. This is Lee in his own words. Those words have alienated so many. [04:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Annotated Transcript of Andrew Lee (Freenode) Interview With Lode Ray Dio | Techrights [04:12] XRevan86 The only reason to even pay attention to l0de's words is because rasengan didn't mind anything he said. [04:13] schestowitz next article: Techrights is NOT on Libera Chat [04:13] schestowitz XRevan86: numbed I guess [04:13] schestowitz either way, that needed to be put somewhere [04:13] schestowitz that interview [04:13] XRevan86 schestowitz: Numbed to the extreme. [04:14] schestowitz so I can refer back to it in the future [04:14] XRevan86 l0de was pushing the limits, and then some [04:14] schestowitz If you speak to an a-hole (l0de), you too might seem like one [04:14] XRevan86 "Techrights is NOT on Libera Chat" maybe it's better to advertise the self-hosting server rather than antagonise Libera? [04:15] XRevan86 schestowitz: "seem" [04:15] *job (~job@g69p5j2d8epkc.irc) has joined #techrights [04:16] *job (~job@user/job) has joined #techrights [04:16] XRevan86 Like "we have brought up our own independent IRC server for true self-reliance, while maintaining a bridge to our old home on freenode for compatibility and emergencies" [04:17] XRevan86 And then "the channels on Libera have not been claimed by us, and as such we are not affiliated with them" [04:18] XRevan86 it's not their problem and it's not really a problem, so there's no reason to make a disapproving point [04:18] schestowitz it'll mention the real channel [04:19] schestowitz I will mention what you said [04:19] schestowitz still typing it up [04:19] schestowitz "Techrights is NOT on Libera Chat, Techrights Has Its Own IRC Network" is better? [04:20] XRevan86 But ye can mention that those who have switched their IRC clients from freenode to Libera may accidentally join the unclaimed channels and so need to correct that [04:20] XRevan86 schestowitz: Absolutely. [04:21] XRevan86 but don't use the words like "impersonation", they're unfair [04:21] activelow activelow on libera is registered already, it isn't me [04:22] XRevan86 activelow: I meant channels. [04:22] XRevan86 activelow: nicknames are ripe for the taking on both freenodes. [04:22] activelow XRevan86: sorry then for the misunderstanding [04:24] XRevan86 And on the rasengan's freenode it's worse, because there is a stronger expectation of that what existed is still there. [04:24] XRevan86 At least by those sleeping beauties that still didn't get the memo [04:26] schestowitz thanks, XRevan86 [04:26] activelow i don't hold it legitimately either, since on oftc there was another activelow before, who is legitimate there and not me either [04:26] schestowitz I got it drafted now [04:26] schestowitz will take screenshot [04:27] schestowitz I didn't say impersonation [04:27] schestowitz it's technically not what happened [04:27] schestowitz I exlained why people ended up there [04:27] schestowitz " [04:27] schestowitz A few days ago I heard that the channel called "techrights" in Libera Chat was misusing our name or misrepresenting us. Rather, a small and vocal minority was making noise. So I decided to lurk/park there for a couple of days, only to observe abuse and off-topic nonsense (examples here), including verbal abuse against actual Techrights people. [04:27] schestowitz To clarify, the way IRC works (and has long worked), anybody can create a "techrights" channel on any network (there are hundreds of networks that are well known), but what happened with Libera Chat is, a lot of people reconfigured their IRC clients to connect to Libera Chat instead of Freenode, whereupon their auto-join directive would get them connected to a channel called "techrights" in Libera Chat. [04:27] schestowitz But we're not in Libera Chat. We're not interested in yet another network exercising control over us. Nothing personal against Libera Chat; it's just that it got an influx of users parks in a channel called "techrights" due to a state of flux amid diaspora. [04:27] schestowitz If you are mistakenly parked in "techrights" at Libera Chat, please change the settings to the correct network. The real #techrights channel is at irc.techrights.org, port 6667. [04:27] schestowitz As XRevan86 put it, "we have brought up our own independent IRC server for true self-reliance, while maintaining a bridge to our old home on freenode for compatibility and emergencies" and "the channels on Libera have not been claimed by us, and as such we are not affiliated with them." [04:27] schestowitz " [04:27] schestowitz typos likely ^^^ please report typos [04:28] activelow my account name on freenode is rigged, since this was prone to being stalked upon [04:29] kingoffrance s/influx of users parks/influx of users parked/ [04:29] schestowitz I see that two more channels was added to this network already [04:29] schestowitz unknown to me [04:29] schestowitz but not off topic [04:29] XRevan86 schestowitz: Also some people joined that other channel during the day when the bridge to there was up. Not sure how they noticed, maybe someone mentioned that elsewhere. [04:29] schestowitz maybe [04:30] schestowitz the bridges only lend legitimacy to the wrong channel [04:30] schestowitz which is why better not to have them anynore [04:30] schestowitz in past 24 hours only 2 messages there [04:30] schestowitz so it is negligible, will perish on its own [04:31] XRevan86 It was a nice show-case of the possibilities the bridge can give. [04:31] XRevan86 and I thought it will get registered, but it wasn't [04:31] schestowitz btw, regarding web-based interfaces to our irc networks which are also SELF-HOSTED, I've given up on that for now [04:32] schestowitz XRevan86: more networks = more work [04:32] schestowitz better to focus on one place [04:32] XRevan86 https://sr.ht/~emersion/gamja/ ? [04:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sr.ht | gamja: Simple IRC web client [04:32] schestowitz this is new to me [04:32] XRevan86 web.libera.chat suggests it along with KiwiIRC [04:33] schestowitz looks like it would want a container of its own [04:33] schestowitz as it comes with a large chain of deps [04:33] XRevan86 schestowitz: Using my wording in quotes attributing myself makes me look like a full-on member of techrights. [04:34] schestowitz well, you are trusted for sure [04:34] schestowitz unlike some people on that other network [04:34] XRevan86 An affiliate :) [04:34] schestowitz there are people I've known for ages [04:34] schestowitz like Ariadne and other admins [04:34] schestowitz iirc, MinceR has been here since 2008 or 2009 [04:35] schestowitz gamja is interesting [04:35] schestowitz but it's a bit chain of things [04:35] XRevan86 "port 6667" better not to mention [04:35] schestowitz like quakenet thing, which I tried to set up again age, needed the whole of Twisted, iirc [04:35] schestowitz XRevan86: some people asked me to mention [04:36] schestowitz because they said their client does not have defaults [04:36] schestowitz at first I did not mention [04:36] XRevan86 ircs://irc.techrights.orgt:6697/#techrights how about a URI? :) [04:36] schestowitz yes, my distro supports that [04:36] XRevan86 s/orgt/org/ [04:37] XRevan86 ye can even mention both ircs:// and irc:// [04:37] XRevan86 but clear text communication is really not the way to go [04:38] schestowitz I thought about that [04:38] XRevan86 the good thing about a ircs:// URI is that ye don't need to make sure the client is configured for TLS or not [04:40] schestowitz I never tried ircs urls [04:40] schestowitz I know debian would deal with irc:// in kde at least [04:40] schestowitz or firefox [04:40] XRevan86 ye could always mention both, HTML layoyt allows doing that compactly [04:41] XRevan86 layout [04:42] XRevan86 I really don't feel like there's something wrong with me right now, but seeing how many typo's I make it obvious I'm mentally exhausted. This kept me up. [04:43] schestowitz btw, ddos attacks have stopped [04:43] schestowitz after 2 days [04:43] schestowitz XRevan86: it's IRC, typos welcome :-) [04:44] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [04:44] XRevan86 schestowitz: Also, the logo of the l0de's podcast the same reason why it's good as an illustration is why it's somewhat risky to have it as an illusation [04:45] XRevan86 mildly shocking content [04:45] schestowitz XRevan86: i find it out that... [04:45] XRevan86 not false advertising though [04:45] schestowitz libera chat would recommend self-hosting irc web interface [04:45] schestowitz but not the ircd [04:45] schestowitz which kind of seems moot [04:46] XRevan86 schestowitz: Hm? [04:46] schestowitz unless they want to lower cpu strain [04:46] *activelow (~activelow@mupb6a256trnq.irc) has joined #techrights [04:46] XRevan86 They're hosting Gamja [04:46] schestowitz they want people to host it [04:46] schestowitz but then connect to LC, I assume [04:46] XRevan86 schestowitz: Where do ye see this? [04:46] schestowitz so they exercise more control at the daemon level [04:46] schestowitz while the UI layer is paid for by the projects [04:47] schestowitz you said they recommended Gamja [04:47] XRevan86 schestowitz: https://web.libera.chat/gamja/ [04:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.libera.chat | gamja IRC client [04:47] schestowitz Gamja: [04:32] web.libera.chat suggests it along with KiwiIRC [04:47] XRevan86 https://web.libera.chat/ here [04:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.libera.chat | Kiwi IRC [04:47] XRevan86 this is KiwiIRC, but in the description it suggests Gamja [04:48] XRevan86 so they have both [04:48] schestowitz XRevan86: http://techrights.org/2021/06/25/irc-clarity/ [04:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights is NOT on Libera Chat, Techrights Has Its Own IRC Network | Techrights [04:48] schestowitz can you check, please? [04:48] XRevan86 > A few days ago [04:48] XRevan86 Really? :) [04:49] XRevan86 schestowitz: The URI keep my ".orgt" typo [04:49] schestowitz ouch [04:50] schestowitz the hope is that more projects/sites will follow [04:50] schestowitz and self-host [04:50] XRevan86 "(default port; port 6667)" "default clear-text port" then [04:50] schestowitz so we can have many thousands of IRC networks out there, widely spread [04:51] XRevan86 schestowitz: Oh, ye can mention how cool a feature RELAYMSG is :) [04:52] schestowitz maybe a subject for a separate article/video [04:52] schestowitz tbh, I don't know how it works [04:52] schestowitz so cannot say much myself [04:52] schestowitz but maybe, as I alluded to before, you can share your bridge settings [04:52] XRevan86 schestowitz: An op has an ability to spoof the message sender nick basically. [04:52] schestowitz to help other people help themselves [04:53] XRevan86 but only if that nick has a slash in it [04:53] XRevan86 schestowitz: Different networks have different needs. [04:54] activelow +OK ztlsz.npLUL.sEChG0Jfu5U/.0sSQ/Fykxt/1tgbX1YsIwr/c4S2n.nHv9V.jTSlP/6ZEje1WLZac/wsbzH/4VD8i/20msi02ZmMs1EQSCo1o1Ulh.F/pSE1e9lo3.C3MuL/vCO8Z0Z2tGi/dhMvV1mxOfj/MVQlM.VJkVA1 [04:54] activelow wouldn't take any offense in a temporary +q, once in a while my mind snaps into realms beyond comprehension [04:55] schestowitz regarding "few days ago" [04:55] schestowitz it's correct [04:55] schestowitz I knew it existed, but... [04:55] schestowitz didn't think it had any momentum left in it [04:56] XRevan86 schestowitz: Librarian is there since the bridge times (don't know if he was there before it). [04:58] XRevan86 schestowitz: He is the person I was mentioning as a philosophy professor. [04:58] techrights-news Techrights is NOT on #LiberaChat , Techrights Has Its Own IRC Network http://techrights.org/2021/06/25/irc-clarity/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/25/irc-clarity/ [04:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights is NOT on Libera Chat, Techrights Has Its Own IRC Network | Techrights [04:58] XRevan86 I found that detail cute. [04:59] schestowitz he hates Ariadne a lot [04:59] Ariadne good for him, can you stop highlighting me [04:59] Ariadne thx [04:59] schestowitz np, sorry ● Jun 26 [05:00] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 30.58 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 26.60 swarm size (avg): 305.25 [05:00] XRevan86 schestowitz: Because she strongly challenged his pespective? [05:01] Ariadne i mean, i did originally, now days i just suggest he consume various poisonous substances [05:01] schestowitz something like that but anyway, let's change topic, i assume she's busy coding and stuff [05:01] schestowitz I know the feeling of getting unwanted irc notifications when working on something [05:01] XRevan86 I keep trying to imagine the kind of philosophy classes he's doing. [05:02] schestowitz in a moment we'll post some Daily Links, I want to also write some articles about Free software [05:02] Ariadne well, really they are white race appreciation classes [05:02] schestowitz last weekend was a lost weekend because of the chaos left behind by freenode tuesday onwards (flushed IRC DB) [05:02] XRevan86 from my experience it's not uncommon for people teaching metaphysics to have a problem with grasping reality [05:02] Ariadne which, fine, but this isn't kkkrights [05:02] schestowitz I know [05:02] schestowitz it was off topic regardless [05:02] schestowitz "Social" is now used more [05:03] schestowitz so even DaemonFC doesn't interject here the OT things [05:03] schestowitz XRevan86: maybe you can send more details on how you configured mattermost for relaying across networks [05:03] XRevan86 Like my personal experience with a philosophy class where the professor talked about Putin as salvation of the world [05:03] schestowitz some people would find that info handy [05:04] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [05:04] schestowitz and I cannot write that myself, having not practiced it directly, ever [05:04] schestowitz XRevan86: that prof wants to be promoted [05:04] schestowitz not sentenced to hard labour [05:04] schestowitz reminds me of what chmomsky said of US "intellectuals" [05:05] schestowitz BTW, as I mention Chosmky [05:05] schestowitz and also association by people you agree to be interviewed by [05:05] schestowitz he was once entrapped by some sex-oriented mag to give an interview [05:05] schestowitz maybe playboy [05:05] schestowitz which then put him in unsavory company [05:06] schestowitz and they were not upfront about who that interview was for [05:06] schestowitz but I am guessing the interview was for "after the wanking" [05:06] schestowitz not a "foreplay" [05:06] schestowitz he spoke about that incident, which reminds me of that awful freenode interview [05:06] schestowitz maybe he was not sure what or who he was talking to [05:07] *schestowitz plays devil's advocate [05:07] schestowitz Like I said before, the techrights channel at LC seems to have become an anti-techrights gossip/whisper network. I hardly know these names at all and they're not techrights-connected, just looking to bash the site using a channel called after it, after many hopped from one network to another." Examples are now online in that text file [05:07] schestowitz I dont' intend to take over a channel just to kickban people [05:08] schestowitz it would be hugely dumb and short-sighted [05:08] schestowitz it is what it is [05:08] schestowitz I didn't choose for a network split that big [05:08] schestowitz 60k+ users [05:08] XRevan86 schestowitz: l0de has been involved with freenode prior to that apparently. [05:08] schestowitz as staff or user? [05:08] XRevan86 schestowitz: Someone called him a quasi-staffer. [05:08] schestowitz staff vetting in freenode... don't know what that's like [05:09] schestowitz anyone can just offer oneself as volunteer [05:09] XRevan86 it's not hard to imagine someone like l0de getting pretty close to staff [05:09] schestowitz the question is, will they accept him/her/them? [05:09] XRevan86 He knows how to pull the right strings in people like rasengan [05:10] schestowitz This coming Friday we have a big hearing in the EPO [05:10] schestowitz I hope IRC wars won't distract like they did last hearing (may 28th) [05:11] schestowitz XRevan86: aka the king of overdraft [05:11] schestowitz I love euphemism for debt [05:11] schestowitz "credit" [05:11] schestowitz "overdraft" [05:11] XRevan86 https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge/blob/master/matterbridge.toml.sample [05:11] XRevan86 https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge/wiki/Section-IRC-%28basic%29 [05:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-matterbridge/matterbridge.toml.sample at master 42wim/matterbridge GitHub [05:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Section IRC (basic) 42wim/matterbridge Wiki GitHub [05:12] XRevan86 The information on how to set up a bridge is there already. [05:12] schestowitz I see... [05:12] schestowitz well, we need to get that info 'off' Microsodt [05:12] XRevan86 matterbridge is only there unfortunately. [05:13] schestowitz it's longer than I thought [05:13] XRevan86 it's a sample :) [05:13] schestowitz it also makes many assumptions [05:13] schestowitz about what one runs [05:13] XRevan86 And it includes not only IRC but IRC is the first section in it conviniently. [05:14] XRevan86 The techrights configuration is this: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/6cdd00b2 [05:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paste.debian.net | Debian Pastezone [05:16] schestowitz I am saving it [05:17] schestowitz we need to prepare for the next wave of EPO scandals [05:17] schestowitz we have 6 more days to prepare [05:17] schestowitz DDOS attacks over after 2 dayd [05:17] schestowitz *days [05:18] schestowitz I guess they got tired of getting blocked effectively [05:18] *mib_u7ns8n (~5198ee27@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [05:19] XRevan86 One example of how things can differ is in the wiki as OFTC doesn't yet have SASL support. [05:19] schestowitz someone mentioned it the other day [05:19] schestowitz seems odd a network that size lacks it [05:20] techrights-news The choice of words (and platform) of Andrew Lee seems to have harmed the image of #Freenode ; we examine what was said on the bizarre show of Lode Ray Dio of #GNAA infamy http://techrights.org/2021/06/25/andrew-lee-l0de-interview/ [05:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Annotated Transcript of Andrew Lee (Freenode) Interview With Lode Ray Dio | Techrights [05:21] XRevan86 schestowitz: They're using ircd-hybrid [05:22] schestowitz I know it's OT [05:23] schestowitz but [05:23] AdmFubar is that transcript really accurate? [05:23] schestowitz we might stay in lockdown for a while [05:23] schestowitz so I can do some projects [05:23] schestowitz AdmFubar: afaik [05:23] XRevan86 schestowitz: And as it was mentioned before (the "OFTC takeover" :) ), the goal of OFTC is Solanum. [05:23] schestowitz why? hard to believe? [05:23] DaemonFC I'm hoping the court isn't doing Zoom in September. [05:23] schestowitz you can rejkect it [05:23] AdmFubar what language are they talking in? :P [05:23] XRevan86 AdmFubar: When I was reading it, the voice of Andrew Lee was echoing in my ears. [05:23] schestowitz techrights 'lobbies' against courts over the Net [05:24] XRevan86 as I listened to the whole thing before [05:24] DaemonFC I don't like Zoom and every felon out there who says they don't have a job and can't pay their court costs has a $1700 phone in their hand while they're doing so. [05:24] schestowitz DaemonFC: http://techrights.org/2021/06/24/epo-pandora-box/ [05:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Virtual Injustice Part 15: A Pandoras Box But for Whom? | Techrights [05:24] DaemonFC In this case, those two that were in the other car, the passenger turned out to be a convict up in Wisconsin. Felon child abuse, then he only had to do a year and a half, but he ended up doing three for attacking another inmate. [05:24] XRevan86 schestowitz: So if OFTC succeeds in its plans to upgrade IRCd, they'll get SASL. [05:25] AdmFubar what a mish-mash of thoughts... [05:25] schestowitz last part of this series, which ties into http://techrights.org/2021/05/26/outline-g121-and-beyond/ [05:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Outline of Recent EPO Series: Kangaroo Courts, German Government Complicity, and Gross Privacy Violations by Unaccountable Officials | Techrights [05:25] AdmFubar https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/26/in_brief_security/ [05:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | SolarWinds backdoor gang pwned Microsoft support agent to turn sights on customers The Register [05:25] schestowitz about 60 parts total [05:25] XRevan86 AdmFubar: It's like toxic, ye know what I mean? [05:26] AdmFubar whatever they are on is toxic to them... [05:26] schestowitz AdmFubar: shittttt... [05:26] XRevan86 > we used to have a channel, #freenode, on Liberia Chat [05:26] XRevan86 Oh, he actually said that?.. [05:27] XRevan86 because that channel is still there [05:27] schestowitz let me count the "shits" in this transcript [05:27] XRevan86 schestowitz: Oh, by the way, it's ##freenode, not #freenode [05:27] XRevan86 don't know if the transcript or rasengan is saying the channel's name wrong [05:27] schestowitz 65 times! [05:28] schestowitz 65 "shits" in just over an hour [05:28] schestowitz awwwww, shiiiiit. [05:28] AdmFubar I'd say lay off the colace and senna [05:28] schestowitz they must be on some shit [05:29] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_dirty_words [05:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Seven dirty words - Wikipedia [05:29] XRevan86 65 times, we saw this shit. It had a chicken head with duck feet and a woman's head too^U [05:30] AdmFubar https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210618/18343747019/clearview-forbids-users-scraping-database-images-it-scraped-thousands-websites.shtml [05:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Clearview Forbids Users From Scraping Its Database Of Images It Scraped From Thousands Of Websites | Techdirt [05:31] schestowitz hopefully they don't scrape off http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/ [05:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Roy and Rianne's Wedding and Beyond [05:31] XRevan86 If "Liberia Chat" weren't pussies unlike a strong leader such as rasengan, they would've taken over that ##freenode channel already instead of talking about how inappropriate it is and doing nothing about it :) [05:31] schestowitz I had a discussion with Tim over on TechBytes abut it [05:31] schestowitz obscure sites are less likely to be harvested for profiling [05:31] schestowitz they go for the big ones, notably FB and Twitter [05:32] XRevan86 schestowitz: Anything to be done about freenode at http://techrights.org/irc-channel/ ? [05:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Channels | Techrights [05:32] schestowitz in what sense? [05:32] schestowitz it's fine as it is [05:33] schestowitz freenode is listed last [05:33] schestowitz some people are still on it [05:33] XRevan86 schestowitz: "More Open and Bigger" for one thing, that :) [05:33] schestowitz over 50 users [05:33] schestowitz it's bigger [05:33] schestowitz more online users [05:33] schestowitz we're like an island here [05:33] XRevan86 it's technically correct, but it's not how I would've described it [05:34] schestowitz I'll change that later [05:34] schestowitz we're still observing what happens to freel0de [05:36] schestowitz #freeBritney [05:38] AdmFubar https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-57601631 [05:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Crackonosh: How hackers are using gamers to become crypto-rich - BBC News [05:42] AdmFubar https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-57591682 [05:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The final years of John McAfee's controversial life - BBC News [05:44] CrystalMath schestowitz: also i did sense hate and toxic culture on old freenode, especially from staffers like Fuchs [05:44] XRevan86 How to recognise a person by what they wrote. [05:45] *leah has quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.8) [05:46] CrystalMath > What is big FOSS? Is Free software now being painted with the same brush as monopolists? [05:46] CrystalMath you know who these people are! systemd, debian, Red Hat [05:46] CrystalMath we talk about them here all the time [05:47] CrystalMath Novell too [05:47] CrystalMath they're big FOSS [05:47] activelow they're big, granted [05:48] XRevan86 CrystalMath: freedesktop, postgres, devuan, alpine? [05:50] AdmFubar https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/06/how-cyber-sleuths-cracked-an-atm-shimmer-gang/ [05:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krebsonsecurity.com | How Cyber Sleuths Cracked an ATM Shimmer Gang Krebs on Security [05:51] schestowitz [05:42] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- The final years of John McAfee's controversial life - BBC News [05:51] schestowitz my dad jokes last night about Gates ending up the same way [05:51] schestowitz maybe even younger [05:52] schestowitz [05:38] https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-57601631 [05:52] schestowitz "hackers" [05:52] schestowitz "crypto" [05:52] schestowitz crackers? [05:52] AdmFubar https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/06/how-cyber-sleuths-cracked-an-atm-shimmer-gang/ [05:52] schestowitz banks? [05:52] schestowitz we put this in yesterday's Daily Links [05:52] schestowitz MinceR: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/woke-orban.jpg [05:52] AdmFubar :) [05:52] CrystalMath activelow: they're also *bad* [05:52] AdmFubar https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2021/06/banning-surveillance-based-advertising.html [05:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Banning Surveillance-Based Advertising - Schneier on Security [05:53] CrystalMath and schestowitz knows they're bad [05:53] CrystalMath gnome is also big foss [05:53] AdmFubar I'm a bit behind on news... wasn't feel good yeasterday [05:54] XRevan86 CrystalMath: How about Rocky? MATE? KDE? [05:54] CrystalMath schestowitz: also i can't believe that you're going along with limiting speech when it comes to the US elections; virtually every election is called stolen by the losing side [05:54] CrystalMath XRevan86: i'd say KDE is big at least, i'd need to know more to see if they're "big FOSS" people [05:54] CrystalMath the linux foundation is big FOSS [05:55] CrystalMath XRevan86: it's not about the software it's the organization [05:55] CrystalMath and Andrew Lee said the solution is to fork the software [05:55] XRevan86 CrystalMath: All the aforementioned left freenode [05:56] schestowitz LF is not FOSS [05:56] schestowitz that's the difference [05:56] schestowitz IBM is now FOSS [05:56] schestowitz Microsoft is not FOSS [05:56] schestowitz LF is monopolies [05:56] schestowitz LF is NOT on freenode [05:56] schestowitz LF is on Zoom [05:56] schestowitz LF is in Microsoft (GitHub) [05:56] XRevan86 CrystalMath: The Trump's stolen-elections movement is unprecedented in size and boldness. [05:57] schestowitz GitHub is not big foss [05:57] schestowitz GitHub is "big tech" [05:57] CrystalMath XRevan86: so what? if you want to limit actions, limit actions, don't limit speech! [05:57] XRevan86 Calls for actions [05:57] CrystalMath there was NO call to action in Andrew Lee's talk about the election [05:57] schestowitz CrystalMath: people exercise their speech [05:57] CrystalMath none whatsoever [05:57] CrystalMath he said karma will get them [05:57] schestowitz by telling people to get off that network [05:58] XRevan86 CrystalMath: There was in Trump's [05:58] CrystalMath schestowitz: i suppose telling people to buy viagra is also free speech? especially when done in 1,000 emails a day [05:59] CrystalMath saying the election is stolen is free speech, advertizing something to people is spam [05:59] schestowitz he can say it [05:59] schestowitz and I can say what I think of it [05:59] schestowitz a right to speech is not a right to a large audience ● Jun 26 [06:00] schestowitz or to a large business [06:00] schestowitz he talks [06:00] schestowitz people walk away [06:00] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 30.43 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.56 swarm size (avg): 305.37 [06:00] XRevan86 schestowitz: Careful mentioning anything on freenode, it's spam, don't ye know. [06:00] schestowitz people telling their own channel they move somewhere else is not spam [06:00] XRevan86 Advertising websites, networks [06:01] XRevan86 When one writes a message, in a way one advertises oneself. [06:01] CrystalMath schestowitz: personally i really don't like that idea, since for many channels, there exists such a channel on every network; why forbid one network from having it? [06:01] CrystalMath like there's an #fsf on EFNet [06:01] schestowitz we'll always have the memories of a channel with 95 users in it, at peak... [06:01] CrystalMath there's #slackware on undernet and it's very big [06:02] CrystalMath well okay all the slackware channels are unofficial though [06:02] XRevan86 CrystalMath: There's such a concept as an official channel. Freenode had this privilege. [06:03] CrystalMath XRevan86: i guess that stuff is gone from the policy now, yeah [06:03] CrystalMath there's no more reserved namespace [06:03] XRevan86 Turns out, some projects rely on IRC for communication. They are the Big FOSS. [06:04] CrystalMath hmm, just thought of an example, Mozilla is big FOSS [06:04] XRevan86 And they're interested in maintaining the status quo that worked for them for years. [06:05] XRevan86 And the way to do that is to move to Libera and notify everyone on freenode of that. [06:05] CrystalMath the status quo that worked for them was: people connect, join a project channel, work with them, write code, be bored one day, type /list, find some general channels, mention you're not a communist, get K-lined [06:06] CrystalMath that was the old freenode [06:06] CrystalMath screw that status quo [06:06] kingoffrance the new one is autonomous zone [06:06] kingoffrance does it really matter? [06:07] XRevan86 An autonomous zone that relies on the US based commercial company. [06:07] CrystalMath UK [06:08] XRevan86 CrystalMath: I meant Shells but sure [06:09] XRevan86 An autonomous zone can be so outside of any country's jurisdiction that it's in two countries :) [06:10] kingoffrance i just mean, this is all politics, i dont see anyone changing their mind, what does it matter what people claim? [06:12] XRevan86 "I use Arch, BTW", "I'm a vegan", now CrystalMath has a new addition: "I'm not a communist". [06:13] CrystalMath a minority uses arch, a minority is vegan, but most people are not communists :) [06:15] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Depends how ye define it. Some may draw the line on not being a libertarian, and most people are not libertarian. [06:15] kingoffrance ^ yes its just ever-shifting political bs [06:15] kingoffrance i dont know why ppl take any of it seriously [06:16] CrystalMath XRevan86: eh, the world isn't just libertarians and communists [06:16] CrystalMath there's also people who have moderate ideologies [06:17] XRevan86 CrystalMath: I thought for a moment that maybe ye understand that the one dimensional view on political ideology is overly simplistic, but I was wrong. [06:17] CrystalMath i don't like the 1D view [06:18] CrystalMath i like the 2D view, but maybe that's not too adequate either [06:18] schestowitz [06:01] schestowitz: personally i really don't like that idea, since for many channels, there exists such a channel on every network; why forbid one network from having it? [06:18] schestowitz it's different if you kick everyone out [06:18] schestowitz and make it invite-only [06:18] schestowitz that's not what 700 channels did [06:19] XRevan86 schestowitz: freenode wanted to takeover the no longer official channels, quietly repurpose them as unofficial channels and make it look like that was always the case. [06:20] schestowitz wow [06:20] schestowitz so they were "stealing that shit" [06:20] XRevan86 Completely disregarding that this is not what the people came there came there for. [06:21] CrystalMath XRevan86: they can clearly read, if they're on IRC [06:22] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Read what? The wiped out topic? [06:22] CrystalMath it says "unofficial" [06:22] XRevan86 CrystalMath: How is that a contradiction? [06:23] CrystalMath if unofficial is not what they came there for, then they'll leave [06:23] CrystalMath but if it IS, then they'll stay [06:23] CrystalMath and for many there is [06:23] *activelow departs into dreamland [06:23] CrystalMath like they have a lot of reasons to be on a freenode channel [06:24] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Such as? [06:24] CrystalMath well it's a network with much more permissive rules [06:24] XRevan86 Being away from the Big FOSS project that channel is about? [06:24] CrystalMath a better place to be, for that reason alone [06:24] XRevan86 Ah, so to shit on it? [06:24] CrystalMath no [06:25] CrystalMath i mean like.. there are *MANY* people in FOSS that are right-wing, and now they finally have a place for their projects, and to talk about their favorite projects [06:25] CrystalMath they can help each other [06:25] XRevan86 Technical help is not something anyone values on IRC, sure. [06:25] CrystalMath i don't see why that's true, i mean [06:25] CrystalMath i still get help on freenode [06:25] CrystalMath i still get help on *EFNet* [06:25] CrystalMath on rizon even [06:26] XRevan86 CrystalMath: They can exchange quips about just how much they're not communist to each other. [06:26] schestowitz support channels are different [06:26] schestowitz they don't represent policies and stances [06:26] CrystalMath the right-wing and moderate people of the FOSS movement are in fact quite capable of supporting each other [06:27] XRevan86 - Does postgres support clustered index? [06:27] XRevan86 - Is that a Marxist term? [06:27] CrystalMath lol, but like, you really think we're the obsessed ones? [06:27] XRevan86 CrystalMath: yes. [06:28] CrystalMath like we didn't do anything... they attacked first, when they cancelled Stallman [06:28] schestowitz a lot of technical issues need not be partisan [06:28] schestowitz those who make them partisan make them less stable [06:28] schestowitz alongside other lines [06:28] XRevan86 , . [06:28] schestowitz patents are also not a left/right wing thing [06:28] schestowitz not in western contexts anyway [06:29] schestowitz pirate party is an exception to all that [06:29] schestowitz to give an example: [06:29] schestowitz "But either way, I feel that it is inappropriate for both myself and the techrights community for me to continue providing the xxxxx. I do not agree with the current techrights community on a number of issues, and they likewise do not agree with me. This is the unfortunate result of how the techrights community have evolved over the past year (largely skewing to the right). Given that, I feel it is best for everyone if I not be involved. I am [06:29] schestowitz willing to listen to counter-arguments, of course, but do you think it is really good to have a xxxxx you're arguing with a lot?" [06:29] schestowitz some people threaten to leave [06:29] schestowitz not over technical substance [06:29] schestowitz or patent policy etc. [06:30] schestowitz but over whose party is supported [06:30] CrystalMath schestowitz: that is correct but when your only support channel is on a network where one cannot be right-wing, well that's a partisan choice [06:30] schestowitz and that wasn't the case decades ago [06:30] CrystalMath on freenode you can be left-wing or right-wing, you can be whatever [06:30] schestowitz you could debate technical matters with a "conservative" or "democrat" [06:30] CrystalMath there's no rule against any politics, no censorship [06:30] CrystalMath that's why freenode is my choice [06:30] schestowitz no [06:30] schestowitz freenode made its stance known [06:30] schestowitz it's just another "wing" [06:31] CrystalMath if some group (like the communists) reject this, well it's their own intolerance that causes them to leave [06:31] schestowitz and the views supported by Andrew et al [06:31] CrystalMath schestowitz: but that wing is the wing saying everything is allowed [06:31] schestowitz so the solution is to not be controlled by a network he net-nannies [06:31] schestowitz GAB said the same [06:31] schestowitz but it started banning leftists [06:32] schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2018/11/06/gab-is-pro-nazis/ [06:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Gab is Not a Site That Tolerates Nazis. It is a Nazi Site That Bans People Who Object to Nazism. Its a Censorship Site With a Dangerous Agenda. [06:32] CrystalMath okay like, how about another network run by Andrew Lee - did snoonet ban leftists? [06:32] CrystalMath how about another network with freenode's current set of policies - did rizon ban leftists? [06:32] schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2018/07/18/gab-not-free-speech/ [06:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Gab Isnt Free Speech But a Safe Space for Bigots That Censors Innocent Accounts Without Warning and Without Explanation for the Censorship [06:32] CrystalMath rizon and snoonet both stand allowing all [06:33] CrystalMath i can't find a single instance of rizon banning a leftist, or a rightist [06:33] CrystalMath for opinions anyway [06:33] CrystalMath i mean i'm sure some got banne for DDoS or illegal stuff [06:33] CrystalMath *banned [06:34] CrystalMath but every opinion is allowed [06:34] techrights-news G 1/21 is a Catastrophe for the EPOs Legitimacy http://techrights.org/2021/06/26/g-121-epo-catastrophe/ #epo #corruption #europe #patents #germany [06:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | G 1/21 is a Catastrophe for the EPOs Legitimacy | Techrights [06:35] techrights-news #Vista11 System Requirement is Turning Heads. Time to migrate to Linux? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152703 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [06:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Windows 11 System Requirement is Turning Heads. Time to migrate to Linux? | Tux Machines [06:35] CrystalMath schestowitz: tbh i think freenode and rizon can truly live up to their promise of being a true free speech zone [06:35] CrystalMath rizon already has [06:36] XRevan86 CrystalMath: We have seen a lot of people banned on freenode for being "toxic". [06:36] schestowitz no, freenode already discredited such a promise [06:36] schestowitz it banned many people [06:36] schestowitz and andrew himself boasted about it [06:36] schestowitz in that interview [06:36] schestowitz so it's bipolar, sort of... [06:36] schestowitz I'm pro-free speech, but... [06:36] schestowitz and who knows, I might even be next [06:37] schestowitz maybe posting the text of what he said publicly is "toxic" [06:37] schestowitz more toxic than being on a show hosted by a total l00n, l0de [06:37] schestowitz who spells his name with zeroes [06:38] schestowitz his face reminds me of the song "American Idiot" [06:38] XRevan86 sch3st0w1tz [06:38] schestowitz yo yo yo [06:38] schestowitz shit going down ma man [06:38] schestowitz bbl [06:38] schestowitz breakfast [06:39] XRevan86 break fast, release often [06:39] CrystalMath XRevan86: like i haven't seen anyone banned who wasn't being outrageously spammingly insulting all day on #freenode [06:39] CrystalMath and i've seen some who are like that and still there, just weren't bad enough to be banned [06:40] XRevan86 CrystalMath: It takes a lot less than that. [06:40] CrystalMath XRevan86: i was an op there and i was told to let as much slide as possible, while making sure the channel is still usable [06:41] CrystalMath i mean like 99% of the bans and klines were like, bots, or people that just wrote the same thing over and over [06:41] XRevan86 CrystalMath: On the old freenode #freenode bans were local. [06:41] CrystalMath until problems spread to other channels [06:41] CrystalMath and they do... [06:41] CrystalMath i see bot spam on #freenode, seconds later, i see it on #fsf too [06:42] XRevan86 Someone asks about the purchase amount? Better k-line them. [06:42] CrystalMath i've seem many such questions go unpunished [06:42] CrystalMath though also unanswered as he said he can't say it [06:43] CrystalMath what's the point of asking over and over and over and over and over... [06:43] phobos/fn Ask who hosts the site and get threatened with a k-line [06:43] CrystalMath even l0de asked it [06:43] CrystalMath phobos/fn: who hosts the freenode website? [06:44] phobos/fn Beats me [06:44] phobos/fn could never find out [06:44] phobos/fn was threatened with a k-line when asking one of the new staffers [06:44] CrystalMath which one? [06:44] phobos/fn those in the know from the old staff won't talk about it [06:44] phobos/fn Eskimo [06:44] CrystalMath eskimo gets angry easily :P [06:45] CrystalMath so did tau (who left) [06:45] CrystalMath they're probably asked this 1,000 times a day [06:45] CrystalMath and they're at wits end because of it [06:45] CrystalMath i mean, eskimo gets harassed on social media [06:45] CrystalMath he's dealing with a lot [06:45] phobos/fn This was back when they first took over [06:45] phobos/fn so they shouldn't have been asked much about it back then [06:46] CrystalMath eskimo was being harassed on social media from day one and i doubt he knew immediately who hosts the website [06:46] job Since the other official techrights channel is busy talking about freenode, I'd like to hear your thoughts about this idea I have: gemini://tilde.team/~job/ircnet-idea.gmi [06:46] CrystalMath tbh the only one who ever deals with that is the infra team [06:46] job I have been thinking about it for like a week now. [06:46] phobos/fn Yeah... the old staff which should have been in the know won't talk about who was hosting it [06:47] CrystalMath i don't know if they knew, unless you ask the ones that were infra people [06:47] CrystalMath tomaw maybe [06:47] job TLDR: Only IRCops can create # channels, make & channels great again, no services at the network-level [06:47] phobos/fn Even those I was friends with wouldn't discuss it [06:47] CrystalMath it's quite possible that they just don't know [06:48] kingoffrance sure, then they cant guarantee anything about "speech" [06:48] phobos/fn Not when they are flat telling you that they won't answer that question [06:48] phobos/fn I'm guessing there is some kind of NDA or whatnot [06:48] CrystalMath the contract includes no NDA [06:48] XRevan86 phobos: Maybe they don't want to go over the heads of the new staff. [06:48] CrystalMath i've read it completely [06:49] job (It's ironic I'm talking about decentralizing and federating IRC in a centralized network, I know) [06:49] phobos/fn Or maybe its hosted on MS servers ;) [06:49] phobos/fn good a explanation as any at this point [06:49] mjg59 freenode.net is hosted on E Shells [06:49] XRevan86 Nah. [06:49] phobos/fn given that they've kept it hidden behind clownfare [06:50] mjg59 Which is the trade name for shells.com [06:50] psydroid > XRevan86: it's not about the software it's the organization [06:50] psydroid > and Andrew Lee said the solution is to fork the software [06:50] psydroid I hold the same view. If forking had been more encouraged from the very beginning these organizations would never have had the kind of power over the software that forms a critical part of our infrastructure. [06:50] mjg59 That took about 30 seconds [06:50] CrystalMath thank you psydroid [06:50] job Seems to be a missed opportunity to name it "SeaShells" instead :P [06:50] CrystalMath i know that you are also against big foss / the big tech that abuses "open source" [06:51] psydroid They would have had their own versions of things, good luck to them and good riddance to us. People themselves have enabled these big companies that hold disproportione power over them. [06:51] CrystalMath exactly, like, "oh let's not split efforts" [06:51] psydroid disproportionate* [06:51] XRevan86 Writing code is bloody not easy. [06:51] CrystalMath i mean... you'll either split efforts or enlarge some bozos that think they own free software [06:52] CrystalMath and then boss people around like Lennart Poettering [06:52] CrystalMath "hey gentoo, this is a warning to you!" [06:52] phobos/fn *cough* MS *cough* [06:52] XRevan86 Finding people, maintaining a team also not a peace of cake. [06:52] kingoffrance yes, but autonomous zone means you are off in no man's land . there is no free software in an autonomous zone [06:52] CrystalMath kingoffrance: what? :P [06:52] kingoffrance what country is that? what court? [06:52] kingoffrance the court of the cartel [06:53] kingoffrance i agree with all that re: organizations, but i dont see this changing anything [06:54] XRevan86 freenode is in lots of countries' jurisdiction. [06:55] techrights-news NEWS #uniToronto A couple of #GNU #Linux top-like programs for network traffic https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/NetworkTopPrograms [06:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-utcc.utoronto.ca | Chris's Wiki :: blog/linux/NetworkTopPrograms [06:55] kingoffrance dont disagree. and it is not a real issue now perhaps [06:55] XRevan86 free software is a copyright waiver, without a jurisdiction there's no copyright, and that's like public domain. [06:55] kingoffrance sure [06:56] kingoffrance and i think big foss will love that [06:56] XRevan86 copyleft won't work without copyright, but the source code under public domain is also free software [06:56] kingoffrance fair, im just not sure many people wnat to go there [06:56] kingoffrance if it ever gets to that [06:57] techrights-news NEWS #CoryDoctorow #Education The #pandemic showed remote proctoring to be worse than useless https://pluralistic.net/2021/06/24/proctor-ology/#miseducation [06:57] XRevan86 kingoffrance: Ye are confusing reality and rasengan's fantasies. [06:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pluralistic.net | Pluralistic: 24 Jun 2021 Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow [06:58] kingoffrance i think its all marketing to be sure, yes [06:58] kingoffrance and "speech" is not gonna work out how they claim either [06:58] kingoffrance "freenode is in lots of countries' jurisdiction." [06:58] XRevan86 It would've been if a layman could actually understand what that means. 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[11:56] x7upLime I'm watching a video from Dr. Schestowitz, and for the first time hearing about a lot of reprehensible stuff IBM has done 0.0 [11:58] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techrights ● Jun 26 [12:34] *mib_i3nb20 (~ccc5969b@kjvq8jm9s83qu.irc) has joined #techrights [12:34] mib_i3nb20 can someone link me to the l0de radio hour? [12:35] mib_i3nb20 i want to watch that interview, that guy sounds hilarious [12:36] gustaf search for LRH on Youtube... [12:40] mib_i3nb20 ah got it thanks [12:46] mib_i3nb20 lol this l0de guy is quite the comedian, didnt even know there was an irc show. thanks again! 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http://techrights.org/2021/06/24/microsoft-attacking-linux-from-the-inside/ [14:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Congressman Nadler Throws The World's Worst Slumber Party In Order To Destroy The Internet | Techdirt [14:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Politicians Need to Crack Down on Microsofts Monopoly Abuse Amid Yet More Attacks on Linux (Even From the Inside) | Techrights [14:06] *l0de (sid31830@id-31830.charlton.irccloud.com) has joined #techrights [14:07] l0de Yes hello, l0de here [14:07] techrights-news NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #Triller Sues Scam Streaming Site #AccessTVPro For Jake Paul Fight Piracy https://torrentfreak.com/triller-sues-scam-streaming-site-accesstvpro-for-jake-paul-fight-piracy-219625/ [14:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Triller Sues Scam Streaming Site AccessTVPro For Jake Paul Fight Piracy * TorrentFreak [14:07] l0de Can I make some corrections to this article: [14:07] techrights-news NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #Steinberg Wins #WIPO Domain Dispute Against 'VST' Plugin Pirate Sites https://torrentfreak.com/steinberg-wins-wipo-domain-dispute-against-vst-plugin-pirate-sites-210625/ [14:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Steinberg Wins WIPO Domain Dispute Against 'VST' Plugin Pirate Sites * TorrentFreak [14:08] l0de 1. The term is juped, not duped. https://www.hackepedia.org/?title=Juped [14:08] l0de 2. LRH is a comedy program, this should be made clear at some point if you don't want to mislead viewers [14:08] Guest90 Hi. It's Roy. I see you're in a channel that's not ours. We actually moved to #techrights at irc.techrights.org (the IRC client needs to be configured to connect to it) which is the correct channel to use). This channel is just an anti-Techrights cesspool, hijacked by enemies of Techrights. http://techrights.org/2021/06/25/irc-clarity/ [14:08] l0de \ readers [14:09] l0de lol hopefully this will relay, I don't want to join another network [14:09] l0de someone pass that info to this dude, ty, penis pump [14:10] Guest90 you can also post the same in Freenode:#techrights [14:10] *L0j1k (~L0j1k@user/l0j1k) has joined #techrights [14:10] L0j1k aloha [14:10] L0j1k nice articel [14:10] Guest90 that would msg-relay to irc.techrights.org/#techrights (back and forth) [14:10] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@c59rpkzj2h7vg.irc) has joined #techrights [14:11] Guest90 but keep language clean pls [14:11] L0j1k i only have clean language [14:12] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt Federal Judge Says #FBI Obtained #Twitter Employee's Emails Illegally https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210620/14050147027/federal-judge-says-fbi-obtained-twitter-employees-emails-illegally.shtml [14:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Federal Judge Says FBI Obtained Twitter Employee's Emails Illegally | Techdirt [14:14] l0de lastly please attribute the transcription to its original author if you did not make it. [14:14] schestowitz hi l0de [14:15] l0de/fn 9:06 AM Yes hello, l0de here [14:15] l0de/fn 9:07 AM Can I make some corrections to this article: [14:15] l0de/fn 9:08 AM 1. The term is juped, not duped. https://www.hackepedia.org/?title=Juped [14:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hackepedia.org | Juped - Hackepedia [14:15] l0de/fn 9:08 AM 2. LRH is a comedy program, this should be made clear at some point if you don't want to mislead viewers [14:15] l0de/fn 9:14 AM lastly please attribute the transcription to its original author if you did not make it. [14:15] l0de/fn I believe the original author of the transcription is Wodencafe [14:15] schestowitz I didn't see the attribute, will correct and add [14:15] l0de/fn danke sehr [14:16] schestowitz XRevan86: I think the bridge now omits techrights-news in freenode side, so that only shows TechrightsBot-tr [14:17] schestowitz I see "duped" twice [14:18] schestowitz both are to be changed? [14:26] *inky_ (~inky@37.252.81.211) has joined #techrights [14:26] schestowitz weird, XRevan86, I've just checked and only about an hour ago it stopped relaying techrights-news [14:31] MinceR 26 065233 <~schestowitz> MinceR: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/woke-orban.jpg [14:31] MinceR :) [14:32] MinceR 26 064716 < CrystalMath> they're big FOSS [14:32] schestowitz is there such a parallel in absurdistan? [14:32] MinceR how do we know Andrew is referring to the same entities as us? [14:33] MinceR schestowitz: not sure what parallel you mean [14:34] schestowitz XRevan86: I got it all sorted, the bridge lost op when one of my machine LITERALLY fell [14:34] schestowitz MinceR: like orban controlling judges [14:34] schestowitz from the shadows [14:35] schestowitz esp. those who decided on legality of his policy [14:37] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt Top #EU Court Rules Online Platforms Are Not Liable For Copyright Infringements Of User Uploads, Unless They Actively Intervene https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210624/02433247051/top-eu-court-rules-online-platforms-are-not-liable-copyright-infringements-user-uploads-unless-they-actively-intervene.shtml [14:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Top EU Court Rules Online Platforms Are Not Liable For Copyright Infringements Of User Uploads, Unless They Actively Intervene | Techdirt [14:40] MinceR schestowitz: not sure [14:40] MinceR there are many judges that are loyal to him [14:40] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt #Nintendo Continues To Make It Hard To Play Classic Games Legitimately https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210625/11275547060/nintendo-continues-to-make-it-hard-to-play-classic-games-legitimately.shtml [14:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nintendo Continues To Make It Hard To Play Classic Games Legitimately | Techdirt [14:41] MinceR and the attorney general, who is a close friend of orban, can pick the court for any case [14:41] MinceR also, the organization that oversees the judges is controlled by fidSS [14:42] MrMalcontent lol even l0de expected Techrights to have migrated to Libera [14:44] *CrystalMath (~coderain@frbqmqs9r3w6k.irc) has joined #techrights [14:49] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) [14:50] *CrystalMath (~coderain@frbqmqs9r3w6k.irc) has joined #techrights [14:50] techrights-news NEWS #TheNation #DomesticWorkers Are Using the #GigEconomy [sic] Against Itself https://www.thenation.com/article/society/domestic-workers-handy-labor/ [14:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | Domestic Workers Are Using the Gig Economy Against Itself | The Nation [14:51] schestowitz MinceR: thanks for explaining [14:51] schestowitz it might be coming handy soon [14:51] schestowitz When Fixor (Fixer/Ficsor) tries to 'fix' the hearing [14:51] schestowitz I doubt he likes Orban [14:52] schestowitz but that's what would make it burn even more... comparing him to the person we're meant to think he's UNlike [14:52] l0de no, it was just the easiest thing for me to message on [14:52] l0de since the freenode BNC is trash [14:52] schestowitz if you can give me the name of that AG or some article (language does not matter), it can help [14:52] schestowitz we can even do game of words with names [14:57] DaemonFC MinceR, I've gone over a list of questions I might ask to the police in court. [14:57] techrights-news Gemini Database of Places and Restaurants https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006801.html #geminiprotocol #geminispace #smallInternet #Internet #freesw [14:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [USER][IDEA] Gemini Database of Places and Restaurants [14:57] DaemonFC "If this was a speeding case, you would have directly witnessed it and you would have used a device that is calibrated and scientifically proven to register a reading, correct?" [14:57] schestowitz DaemonFC: are you cross-examining the cops? [14:58] schestowitz I think you misunderstand the process [14:58] schestowitz DaemonFC: tell them their tech was proprietary [14:58] schestowitz and thus the evidence invalid [14:58] schestowitz seems like a tactic in recent years [14:59] DaemonFC I'd continue by asking them if they have such a method of observing the incident from a mile away at a police station, considering that the CIA failed to spy on the Russians in the 1970s using psychic readings in Project Stargate. [14:59] schestowitz DNA testing, blood stain analysis, tooth print etc. [14:59] schestowitz and polygraph and profiling software [14:59] DaemonFC Well, I have the right to. In fact, I hired an attorney so it probably won't get to that point. ● Jun 26 [15:00] schestowitz DaemonFC: eyewitnesses are also a weak form of evidence [15:00] schestowitz unlike cctc [15:00] schestowitz they can be bribed [15:00] schestowitz *cctv [15:00] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 26.55 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 32.88 swarm size (avg): 305.64 [15:00] schestowitz doctorting footage is harder [15:00] DaemonFC There was no CCTV and the only other witnesses are the people in the other car, who have threatened to sue and obviously didn't want the police to pin this on them. [15:00] DaemonFC So they have every reason to lie. [15:01] schestowitz you could spare all this trouble by temporarily halt driving, as I did... [15:01] schestowitz I told you all this car ownership thing is a huge waste of time [15:01] schestowitz if you were in a taxi, someone else's problem [15:02] DaemonFC schestowitz, If this does go south in court, I might give the car back to mom and get around with the bus. [15:02] schestowitz "c ya later skata" [15:02] DaemonFC In three years the accident falls off so they'd never get to charge me higher insurance. [15:02] schestowitz Seinfeld: "good luck with aaaaaaaaaaallll thaaaat" [15:03] schestowitz that's why you hire an attorney [15:03] DaemonFC schestowitz, That's pretty much what I did after an accident doubled my rates in 2015, except I didn't give up driving entirely. [15:03] schestowitz because you want to pass that on to someone else [15:03] schestowitz so why not do the same with getting around? [15:03] DaemonFC I switched to per-mile car insurance and then I had the best of both worlds. [15:03] schestowitz taxi is cheaper than an attorney, even if metered for an hour [15:03] schestowitz hour-long taxi about 30 pounds [15:03] DaemonFC I could still get around in the car, _if I had to_, but it didn't cost much because I usually skipped it and took the bus. [15:03] schestowitz lawyers up to 300/hour [15:04] DaemonFC schestowitz, I paid mine $400 yesterday. [15:04] DaemonFC That's flat fee including a bench trial. [15:04] schestowitz that's 20 taxi trips [15:04] schestowitz long ones, too [15:04] schestowitz last week we took a taxi to a suburb [15:04] MinceR schestowitz: the attorney general is called peter polt [15:04] schestowitz cost 20 pounds including the tip we gave [15:04] schestowitz and we got to the countryside [15:04] DaemonFC schestowitz, If I can get him to defeat this entirely, not only do Beavis and Butthead have nothing in civil court later, but my rates don't go up. [15:05] *Guest9713 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [15:05] DaemonFC schestowitz, There's Metromile. [15:06] schestowitz MinceR: thanks [15:06] DaemonFC I mean, like, worst case I pay them like $30-35 a month and that gets me insurance for enough miles to get to Walmart and back every day that month. [15:06] DaemonFC That's with an accident _and_ a ticket. [15:06] DaemonFC Start using the bus to go around to other places. [15:06] MinceR np [15:06] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pter_Polt [15:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Pter Polt - Wikipedia [15:06] DaemonFC Eventually the accident falls off and the ripoff artists at the other insurance companies never got to charge me $130 a month. [15:07] schestowitz "Polt joined Fidesz in 1993. He was a parliamentary candidate during the 1994 general election but did not secure a mandate." [15:07] DaemonFC Butthead, the one that went oh my god my back..... [15:08] DaemonFC I mean, there's plenty of attorneys in Illinois that hand their clients all sorts of ridiculous medical-looking shit and they hobble into court. [15:08] DaemonFC Commit fraud against insurance, and then hobble back out. [15:08] l0de/fn both instances of 'duped' are the word juped. [15:09] DaemonFC I do not like lawyers. [15:09] XRevan86 schestowitz: Hm? What is it about the bridge not relaying techrights-news? [15:09] schestowitz "the Fidesz supermajority" [15:09] schestowitz what is their majority, MinceR? [15:09] DaemonFC They have attorneys on TV all the time advertising to parasites about how they can get a job for one day and say they got a back ache and then shopping bags appear in their hands on the commercial. [15:09] schestowitz XRevan86: it's OK now [15:10] XRevan86 l0de: hi, I'm curious: what's your opinion of rasengan? [15:10] schestowitz the bridge got de-oped or something [15:10] schestowitz l0de: corrected now [15:10] schestowitz attrb. added at the end [15:10] l0de/fn He's a rich guy who is bored and wrecking some things for fun [15:10] schestowitz debt-rich [15:10] l0de/fn He happened to select a target that had a ton of bad people in it [15:10] XRevan86 schestowitz: The op doesn't matter on the freenode side. [15:10] MinceR schestowitz: dunno, but you can check on wikipedia [15:10] schestowitz "king of overdraft" [15:10] l0de/fn it's like a tornado hitting a trailer park full of meth heads [15:10] MinceR schestowitz: iirc it's pretty close to 2/3 [15:11] l0de/fn You don't want to root for the tornado, but you do [15:11] MinceR not sure if above or below though [15:11] schestowitz XRevan86: it was odd generally [15:11] schestowitz like, even when it got op back it took a while to work properly again [15:11] schestowitz maybe totally unrelated to op [15:11] XRevan86 l0de: That doesn't coincide with how things started in 2017. [15:11] schestowitz MinceR: so it's not a functioning democracy [15:11] schestowitz they can pass anything they want [15:11] l0de/fn I believe at some point [15:11] MinceR schestowitz: also, there's a member of parliament who is ostensibly there to represent some minority, but is actually another fideath drone [15:12] MinceR schestowitz: it hasn't been a democracy since 2010 [15:12] l0de/fn a staff member insulted him, whether intentionally or not [15:12] l0de/fn And he is getting equal [15:12] l0de/fn It tracks with the jwheare beef [15:12] l0de/fn his actions are clearly intended to drive out foss people and he largely succeeded [15:12] l0de/fn I don't know what his long term plan is [15:13] schestowitz so now "Freenode is FAUX" [15:13] schestowitz MinceR: thanks, maybe I will do a meme about it [15:13] l0de/fn The thing is there's nothing a troll likes more than people who take themselves too seriously [15:13] l0de/fn And oldnode was certainly guilty [15:13] schestowitz can you get an article about stacking courts for cases having a particular outcome? [15:14] XRevan86 l0de: But he seemed largely upset about driving FOSS out, at first at least. It's clear he's salty about the "betrayal". [15:14] L0j1k that's weird, that's true, how fixated people are on liberia. the one true thing from that articel (among others) is that projects need stability. but it's weird to me how liberia staffers seem to be fixated on this even in rejecting outsiders. [15:15] schestowitz MinceR: Magyar would be OK [15:15] schestowitz this wikipedia 'article' is a puff piece [15:15] L0j1k like you just did the thing where you were the opposite of stability, but [15:15] l0de/fn analysis of his actions needs to weight his heavy marijuana intake [15:15] L0j1k any outliers [15:15] L0j1k zapped [15:15] MinceR schestowitz: this one? >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Assembly_(Hungary) [15:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | National Assembly (Hungary) - Wikipedia [15:15] l0de/fn And his relative lack of interest in the whole thing. The freenode situation occupies maybe 5% of his total interests [15:16] l0de/fn It's clearly not intended to make money, seems whim-driven [15:16] DaemonFC Garrett is complaining about Freenode and the GDPR. [15:16] L0j1k that being said, techrights would benefit from being in #freenode on freenode rn, becuase the kind of chats that our peak existence relies on, are happening in that channel rn [15:16] schestowitz MinceR: I seee. "FideszKDNP (133)" [15:16] L0j1k spam and trolling aside [15:16] L0j1k it's the conversation that always needs to be happening [15:16] DaemonFC The easiest way to bypass GDPR is to pull out of the EU completely, ignore it, and then their court rulings don't apply to you. [15:17] DaemonFC I've noticed that many sites don't work correctly anymore, if at all, if I am using a VPN server in an EU country. [15:17] XRevan86 "It's clearly not intended to make money, seems whim-driven" this is my assessment also. [15:18] MinceR garrett should try resigning, see if it helps [15:18] l0de/fn Xrevan86 - at the same time I would be wary of underestimating him, he's not as stupid as he's leading people to believe [15:18] l0de/fn And there's definitely some greater intent driving him, even if his individual actions may be random [15:19] l0de/fn The liberia official position is now "Ignore lee and l0de and hope both go away" [15:20] XRevan86 l0de: "Millions of people" in freenode? Even the unrelated to the exodus introduction of IRC.com as part of freenode has been a laughing stock. [15:20] l0de/fn I think he's looking at a future where his app has a userbase like discord [15:20] l0de/fn which is improbable but not impossible [15:21] XRevan86 It's pretty impossible. [15:21] schestowitz MinceR: I prepare a meme [15:23] *tenshi (~red@user/tenshi) has left #techrights (WeeChat 3.2) [15:27] *job has quit (connection closed) [15:27] kingoffrance its not impossible, i just dont see developers chatting on their phones frequently or writing code on their phones [15:27] *cyndaquil has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [15:27] l0de/fn I don't think he wants developers [15:27] kingoffrance yep [15:27] l0de/fn those are the people he chased out [15:27] XRevan86 I don't see the Discord audience switching to IRC.com [15:27] l0de/fn the most likely outcome is he'll get bored of this and abandon it half-way [15:27] techrights-news NEWS #CounterPunch #Finance A #sBitcoin Transaction Tax https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/25/a-bitcoin-transaction-tax/ [15:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Bitcoin Transaction Tax - CounterPunch.org [15:28] l0de/fn and we'll never know if there was some master plan [15:28] DaemonFC I got a portable washing machine. [15:28] DaemonFC The coin-op laundry is expensive and people do disgusting things with it. [15:28] XRevan86 If they suddenly decide that Discord is bad and look for the alternative, they'll just go to Matrix. [15:28] DaemonFC Half the time it's broken, or someone leaves bleach in it and it gets on your clothing. [15:29] XRevan86 IRC.com is not competition even for that. [15:29] MinceR i doubt an irc-based app will be restrictive enough for the masses to love it like they love shitcord [15:31] XRevan86 It doesn't utilise IRC's strengths, it just tries to mimic the popular kid on the block. [15:31] l0de/fn Daemonfc - just pay a laundromat to do it for you [15:31] l0de/fn Your time is worth more [15:32] l0de/fn I think it's premature to pass judgment on an idea we haven't really heard yet. If nothing else, he has access to the financial resources to do something very large and very stupid [15:32] l0de/fn so I am going to wait and see [15:32] techrights-news NEWS #CommonDreams #patent #patents #monopolies The Best Defense Against the Delta Variant Is to End #Vaccine Apartheid https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/06/25/best-defense-against-delta-variant-end-vaccine-apartheid [15:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | The Best Defense Against the Delta Variant Is to End Vaccine Apartheid | Amy Goodman [15:32] chunky irc.com is just kiwiirc appified [15:33] schestowitz it is [15:33] XRevan86 chunky: It's probably not "just kiwiirc" if it has push notifications and such. [15:34] chunky guess that's part of the appification ;) [15:34] schestowitz app becomes app when it disrupts the mind [15:34] schestowitz and won't leave you alone [15:34] schestowitz even in the kitchen [15:35] CrystalMath forgive me but.. [15:35] CrystalMath what are push notifications? [15:35] schestowitz the server notifies a device when an event is triggered [15:35] schestowitz instead of polling the server for updates [15:35] schestowitz afaik [15:35] CrystalMath oh, hmm, but IRC does that all the time, no? [15:35] CrystalMath i mean you get a PRIVMSG [15:35] schestowitz they push this crap also into "modern" browsers, which want to take over your desktop for "information" [15:36] CrystalMath yeah but IRC was designed this way [15:36] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Heard of Firebase Cloud Messaging ? [15:36] CrystalMath XRevan86: no [15:36] schestowitz CrystalMath: email worked that way [15:36] schestowitz except email is pull [15:36] schestowitz not push [15:36] schestowitz social control media popularised this cap [15:36] schestowitz *crap [15:37] XRevan86 CrystalMath: The trick is that it's a single application that maintains a connection to the (Google) server, and some subscribed service sends a message to Google then Google sends it to the FCM client. [15:37] schestowitz [someone you went to school with 20 years ago] liked [something that doesn't matter] in [someone's sister's] timeline [x minutes ago] [15:37] CrystalMath XRevan86: yeah but i mean, with KiwiIRC you maintain a connection [15:37] XRevan86 which will be received regardless of whether the recepient application is active or logged in [15:37] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:38] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:38] XRevan86 CrystalMath: This removes the need for that. [15:38] L0j1k also lil pump is a popular rapper [15:38] L0j1k "Lil Pump" is his name [15:39] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [15:39] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Instead only GMS (the FCM client) will need to maintain the connection to the FCM server, efficiently. [15:39] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [15:40] CrystalMath well tbh i don't know how it works, i guess it's important for phones [15:40] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Phones need to be able to get to "deep sleep", that's the importance. [15:40] CrystalMath yeah [15:41] schestowitz phones are organisms now? [15:42] immibis this also means all your notifications have to go through google's censorware [15:42] CrystalMath tbh i'm so far removed from that technology, you might as well say they're organisms to me [15:42] immibis which google likes [15:42] DaemonFC Daemonfc - just pay a laundromat to do it for you [15:42] XRevan86 schestowitz: When a PC goes to suspend mode, where is it suspended? [15:42] DaemonFC Oddly, the wash and fold rates aren't much higher than doing it all yourself. [15:42] CrystalMath l0de: i have a washing machine at home and it's at least 35 years old [15:42] XRevan86 immibis: Yes, that's an implication. [15:42] CrystalMath still happy with it [15:43] *swaggboi has quit (Quit: C-x C-c) [15:43] immibis google gives you the choice between inefficiency and censorship [15:44] immibis inefficiency and reliance on google [15:44] immibis they could make it so you give the FCM client a list of URLs to poll, but no, it only polls google servers [15:44] immibis that way it would still be efficient because it would poll them all simultaneously [15:45] immibis and vary the polling rate based on battery level and movement, or whatever it uses [15:46] XRevan86 immibis: They don't care. [15:48] schestowitz CrystalMath: they don't make machines like that anymore [15:49] CrystalMath i know, it's 100% analog :) [15:51] schestowitz MinceR: can you check the meme about FidSS? [15:51] schestowitz CrystalMath: makes them easier to repair [15:51] schestowitz mechanisms, not microchips [15:51] schestowitz same reason I don't like cars with too many electric components [15:52] schestowitz it's very rare that you're able to fix them, even if you buy the components online. too fine and no standard [15:52] MinceR schestowitz: yeah [15:53] schestowitz MinceR: http://techrights.org/2021/06/26/fixing-by-antonio-campinos/ [15:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] The EPOs Hand on the Scales (With Fixers Inside the Most Important Hearings) | Techrights [15:54] MinceR schestowitz: i don't get it [15:55] *swaggboi (~swaggboi@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi) has joined #techrights [15:55] schestowitz the courts will never rule against the ruling party [15:57] immibis microchips are fine as long as they're simple enough to replace with your own [15:57] immibis any old fool could make their own washing machine control board [15:57] schestowitz you'd wish [15:57] schestowitz even just getting through to that part is hard [15:57] immibis run motor X for Y seconds [15:58] schestowitz I bet some washing machines already connect to the wifi [15:58] immibis as long as there's no proprietary secret sauce, i don't think they're obligated to go out of their way to make it easier than the default [15:58] schestowitz for gawd knows what... [15:58] schestowitz maybe to send "push notification" to your phone when it's done (hint: you could instead set a time on any phone) [15:59] schestowitz machine repairs can be more expensive than a new machine, except it's very expensive to the environment when they ship and manufacture new ones ● Jun 26 [16:00] immibis there's your mini-business idea: generic open source washing machine controllers [16:00] immibis sold with instructions like: connect motor to these contacts, pump to these contacts, float switch to these contacts [16:00] immibis reprogram with arduino ide, here is the default program source code [16:01] techrights-news [Meme] The EPOs Hand on the Scales (With Fixers Inside the Most Important Hearings) http://techrights.org/2021/06/26/fixing-by-antonio-campinos/ #epo #corruption #europe #patent #swpats [16:02] DaemonFC machine repairs can be more expensive than a new machine, except it's very expensive to the environment when they ship and manufacture new ones [16:02] DaemonFC Yes, I might yet get the Impala repaired. [16:02] DaemonFC There's many used parts floating around. [16:03] DaemonFC It runs fine for the most part despite age and mileage. [16:03] schestowitz XRevan86: it keeps happening at random; some messages from techrights-news do not get relayed across, I cannot see the pattern [16:03] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [16:04] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [16:04] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [16:04] immibis maybe schestowitz can make a case that his speech is achieving something, but for the rest of us, actions speak louder than words [16:04] techrights-news NEWS #CommonDreams #Wildlife New Bill Would Require Biden to Declare Wildlife Extinction Crisis a National Emergency https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/06/25/new-bill-would-require-biden-declare-wildlife-extinction-crisis-national-emergency [16:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | New Bill Would Require Biden to Declare Wildlife Extinction Crisis a National Emergency | Common Dreams News [16:04] schestowitz now it relayed OK, XRevan86 [16:04] *XRevan86 has no idea. [16:05] schestowitz immibis: we take actions, too [16:05] DaemonFC I think that they really should bring back trial by combat. [16:06] techrights-news NEWS #CounterPunch #Nature #GreatBarrierReef Wars https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/25/great-barrier-reef-wars/ [16:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Great Barrier Reef Wars - CounterPunch.org [16:06] DaemonFC There's still references in the law to mutual combatancy, but in effect it means the prosecutor simply doesn't want to deal with it. [16:07] schestowitz XRevan86: reproduced the issue just now [16:07] schestowitz latest message from techrights-news was not relayed to freenode [16:07] XRevan86 what's so special about it [16:07] schestowitz it did only in "-social" [16:07] schestowitz but not here [16:08] schestowitz and in -social sometimes the same issue happens, maybe freenode does something at its end [16:08] DaemonFC If both sides agree to have a duel to settle an issue, I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to. [16:08] DaemonFC What goes on in court is just stupid. [16:09] schestowitz it would be interesting if we could demonstrate lost messages in Freenode servers [16:10] schestowitz (that started happening around 1pm GMT today, first I noticed it...and looked back to verify it did not happen before) [16:12] techrights-news NEWS #TruthOut #Unemployment Bipartisan Infrastructure Deal Could Cut Unemployment Benefits, Experts Warn https://truthout.org/articles/bipartisan-infrastructure-deal-could-cut-unemployment-benefits-experts-warn/ [16:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Bipartisan Infrastructure Deal Could Cut Unemployment Benefits, Experts Warn [16:12] DaemonFC "However, we're proud to announce that we've completely obliterated the swamp removing the shackles on progress, and now we're sailing blue seas. YaRR!" -Freenode [16:13] schestowitz XRevan86: just now it works, so it's sort of on and off, touch and go... [16:13] schestowitz I'll observe this closely for the coming hours, as it might be a symptom of issues in freenode itself [16:13] DaemonFC "The freenode digital autonomous zone." [16:13] DaemonFC Yes, like when a bunch of black people in Seattle declared that they had seceded from America. [16:14] schestowitz Destruction was not a goal [16:14] schestowitz but a side effect amid incompetence [16:14] schestowitz and failure to comprehend users and communities (collectives) in freenode [16:14] schestowitz and freenode staff, too [16:14] DaemonFC Then they actually had "warlords" roaming the area and people with guns demanding "fees" from people who came through, after they burned down the police station. [16:14] DaemonFC You want a sneak preview of what leftist blacks want for the entire country, it was CHAZ. [16:15] *schestowitz notes that less on-topic things will show up here, as freenode seems to be losing messages (maybe) [16:15] DaemonFC That never expanded to more than several square blocks, but that's what they want everywhere. [16:15] techrights-news NEWS #CounterPunch The Paths of Justice for #BertaCceres https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/25/the-paths-of-justice-for-berta-caceres/ [16:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Paths of Justice for Berta Cceres - CounterPunch.org [16:16] schestowitz maybe freenode filters for something? [16:16] schestowitz that first message did not go across [16:16] DaemonFC What mjg59_ doesn't get, I guess, is that this is what he pushes for. [16:16] schestowitz test: NEWS #CounterPunch The Paths of Justice for #BertaCceres https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/25/the-paths-of-justice-for-berta-caceres/ [16:16] CrystalMath huh? [16:16] DaemonFC CHAZ is what the leftist blacks want. [16:16] DaemonFC The strong prey on the weak. [16:16] CrystalMath schestowitz: all the messages got through as far as i can see [16:16] DaemonFC That's how they treat each other on the streets of Chicago. [16:17] immibis what do you think about FAZ? [16:17] DaemonFC It's idiotic. [16:17] immibis yesterday i commented that you posted 30 messages with no racism, today it's back to 0 [16:17] DaemonFC Anyway, the killing will never stop in Chicago. [16:17] DaemonFC There's always more where those other bastards came from. [16:17] schestowitz CrystalMath: some messages from "techrights-news" do not show up in Freenode [16:17] immibis DaemonFC: also are you saying the black people would win in trial by combat? [16:18] immibis becuase that seems to be what you're saying [16:18] DaemonFC As soon as they're old enough for a gang to stick a gun in their hand, that's what happens. [16:18] CrystalMath schestowitz: most likely a bridge bug [16:18] schestowitz we checked operator status, restarted the bridge [16:18] DaemonFC DaemonFC: also are you saying the black people would win in trial by combat? [16:18] DaemonFC Rarely. [16:18] schestowitz the bridge worked fine until now, so maybe the issue is at the network [16:18] immibis DaemonFC: maybe society should educate people better so they've got something better to do than shoot people with guns [16:18] DaemonFC They're a terrible shot. They come up against a white man with the firearms training, and you know exactly what will happen. [16:18] DaemonFC Black people get illegal guns and spray and pray. [16:19] immibis DaemonFC: oh is that why you want guns? Because without them you know black people would win trials by combat [16:19] DaemonFC That's why 90% of the time, they miss what they're shooting at and take out grandma,. [16:19] DaemonFC DaemonFC: oh is that why you want guns? Because without them you know black people would win trials by combat [16:19] DaemonFC 20 paces, turn and shoot. [16:20] immibis that barely qualifies as combat. That is to combat what Notepad is to a word processor [16:20] immibis what VBA is to a programming language [16:21] immibis what vendor-lock-in phones are to computers [16:21] immibis "click here to get rich" [16:21] DaemonFC Well, I'm just saying it would make an interesting third option. [16:21] DaemonFC You know, bench trial, jury trial, trial by combat. [16:21] immibis can nuclear weapons be used in trial by combat? [16:22] immibis how about guerilla warfare? [16:22] DaemonFC Gorilla Warfare. [16:22] DaemonFC Eeek eeeek oook ook ook. [16:22] immibis can I get in a submarine and hide underwater until the enemy gets bored? You are glorifying one kind of combat (which happens to be one that you feel white people are good at) and ignoring all the rest! [16:22] DaemonFC Swords, maybe. [16:23] DaemonFC You don't see many of them anymore. [16:23] immibis modern combat is hacking the enemy's smartphone so the battery explodes [16:23] techrights-news NEWS #CounterPunch #Wildlife #Nature #Brazil #Bolsonaro Brazilian Native Peoples Are at Risk of Losing Their Reservations https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/25/brazilian-native-peoples-are-at-risk-of-losing-their-reservations/ [16:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Brazilian Native Peoples Are at Risk of Losing Their Reservations - CounterPunch.org [16:23] immibis modern combat is convincing the judge you should win the case even though you're clearly in the wrong [16:23] immibis modern combat is *bribing* the judge [16:24] immibis modern combat is offering them nearly endless cheap debt until they realize they can't repay any of it and then you repossess their whole company [16:24] techrights-news NEWS #CounterPunch We Cant Fireproof Fire-Dependent Forests, But We can Fireproof Homes https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/25/we-cant-fireproof-fire-dependent-forests-but-we-can-fireproof-homes/ [16:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-We Cant Fireproof Fire-Dependent Forests, But We can Fireproof Homes - CounterPunch.org [16:24] MinceR 26 171640 < DaemonFC> The strong prey on the weak. [16:25] MinceR that's what the state does too [16:25] immibis modern combat is finding the specific trucks carrying their computers and preinstalling RATs on them [16:25] techrights-news NEWS #TheNation #Incarceration #MassIncarceration #US Building the #PrisonToCollege Pipeline https://www.thenation.com/article/society/prison-education-college/ [16:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | Building the Prison-to-College Pipeline | The Nation [16:25] MinceR 26 172143 < immibis> can nuclear weapons be used in trial by combat? [16:25] immibis DaemonFC: why do you get to decide what is combat? [16:25] MinceR yes\ [16:25] MinceR s/.$// [16:26] immibis [Sed] yes [16:26] MinceR it's very simple [16:26] immibis 2A gives me the right to have nuclear weapons [16:26] MinceR once only one party of the conflict survives, there's no conflict anymore [16:26] MinceR immibis: indeed [16:26] techrights-news NEWS #CounterPunch #health #nutrition Infrastructure Wars II: On the Human Right to #Water and #Sanitation https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/25/infrastructure-wars-ii-on-the-human-right-to-water-and-sanitation/ [16:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Infrastructure Wars II: On the Human Right to Water and Sanitation - CounterPunch.org [16:26] MinceR (also if no party of the conflict survives) [16:26] immibis the only question is whether FC considers them a valid form of combat [16:26] DaemonFC https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/documents/072000050K32-4f.htm [16:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ilga.gov | 720 ILCS 5/32-4f [16:27] MinceR Future Crew? [16:27] DaemonFC Illinois does have an anti-sovereign citizen law. [16:27] DaemonFC Sovereign citizens tend to file false liens against public officials as a form of harassment. [16:27] MinceR they needed an extra law for that? [16:27] schestowitz XRevan86: I think I start to see a pattern. If the message has about 5 #hashtags in it, it won't be showing up in freenode [16:28] schestowitz but it does, for now, relay OK to #boycottnovell-social aat Freenode [16:28] XRevan86 #one #odd #and #peculiar #why #would #it #do #that [16:28] XRevan86 probably spam detection [16:28] MinceR yeah [16:28] schestowitz yes, heuristics [16:28] schestowitz at freenode's side [16:28] MinceR inspircd has spamfilter [16:29] schestowitz would be worth doing a post about it [16:29] MinceR ircops can add regexen and what to do with messages that match them [16:29] schestowitz pls don't mind me stress testing it for patterns with actual news that's not so TECH-rights [16:29] MinceR it's very handy against the spambots nowadays [16:29] immibis DaemonFC: gross. It should apply to all people, not just judges! [16:30] techrights-news NEWS #CommonDreams #Environment #politics #climate House Passes Resolution to Reverse 'Reckless' Trump-Era #Methane Rule https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/06/25/house-passes-resolution-reverse-reckless-trump-era-methane-rule [16:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | House Passes Resolution to Reverse 'Reckless' Trump-Era Methane Rule | Common Dreams News [16:30] immibis and it should fall under some more general law about false legal information [16:30] immibis like fraud or whatever [16:32] techrights-news "This is the same Ronny Jackson who was WH physician to Trump, G W Bush, and Barack Obama, the same Ronny Jackson nominated by Trump to serve as secretary of Veterans Affairs before allegations arose about Jacksons on-the-job drinking and workplace hostility." https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/25/state-of-matter/ [16:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-State of Matter - CounterPunch.org [16:33] schestowitz maybe the block is on the domain, not hashtag [16:33] immibis your domains have been unpersoned [16:34] techrights-news "no matter what political party or ideology, it seems to be as rampant as the Covid-19 virus." https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/25/government-be-gone/ [16:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Government Be Gone! - CounterPunch.org [16:34] schestowitz maybe freenode blocked counterpunch? [16:34] schestowitz it's a leftist site [16:34] schestowitz let's check the pattern backwards [16:35] XRevan86 schestowitz: Does it ignore TechrightsBot-tr? [16:35] schestowitz if freenode blacklists some news sites, under some conditions, then I think if it's not domain rate-limiting, it's a red flag [16:35] schestowitz XRevan86: no, as thst bot does not contain links, just headlines/ [16:36] MinceR https://docs.inspircd.org/3/modules/filter/ [16:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-docs.inspircd.org | Module Details: filter (v3) - InspIRCd Documentation [16:36] XRevan86 (15:26:47) techrights-news: NEWS #CounterPunch #health #nutrition Infrastructure Wars II: On the Human Right to #Water and #Sanitation https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/25/infrastructure-wars-ii-on-the-human-right-to-water-and-sanitation/ [16:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Infrastructure Wars II: On the Human Right to Water and Sanitation - CounterPunch.org [16:36] XRevan86 Did my message get relayed? [16:36] schestowitz/fn yes [16:38] MinceR (test) trump [16:38] XRevan86 I'll restart the bridge in debug mode [16:38] MinceR that's not it [16:39] schestowitz at 2am my time it dropped every message, about 8 in a row, from techrights-news [16:39] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [16:39] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [16:39] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [16:40] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [16:40] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [16:40] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [16:40] XRevan86 now it's in debug mode [16:41] techrights-news It is hardly surprising that the #EPO keeps approving European #softwarepatents when #AntnioCampinos infiltrates and lobbies the Boards of Appeal; hes fixing the cases http://techrights.org/2021/06/26/fixing-by-antonio-campinos/ [16:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] The EPOs Hand on the Scales (With Fixers Inside the Most Important Hearings) | Techrights [16:42] schestowitz let's try CounterPunch [16:42] techrights-news NEWS #CounterPunch #NewYork #NYC #Manhattan The Development of #RobertMoses https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/25/the-development-of-robert-moses/ [16:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Development of Robert Moses - CounterPunch.org [16:43] schestowitz that latest post from techrights-news did NOT get relayed (the first one wa) [16:43] schestowitz *was [16:43] schestowitz maybe debugging info will show you why [16:43] schestowitz I think we might have something to write about here, as I never saw freenode doing this before [16:43] schestowitz <li> [16:43] schestowitz <h5><a href="https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/25/the-development-of-robert-moses/">The Development of Robert Moses</a></h5> [16:43] schestowitz <blockquote> [16:43] schestowitz <p>New York City Parks Commissioner, City Construction Coordinator, and head of multiple city and state agencies and public authorities, as well as Secretary of State of New York in the 1920s, Moses left a monumental, and monumentally toxic, legacy. To be sure, no brief introduction to Moses life and work can adequately describe the unjust and ecocidal mess hes fixed in place in the layout of streets, in steel and concrete, in highways, [16:43] schestowitz buildings, and bridges, in the New York metropolitan region and beyond.</p> [16:43] schestowitz <p>If youve ever visited Inwood Hill Park in Upper Manhattan, or Van Cortlandt Park in the Bronx, or Flushing Meadows Park in Queens, or Lake Belmont State Park in Long Island and wondered why these parks, among many others across the New York metropolitan area, all have multi-lane highways thundering through them, spreading noise pollution, in addition to poisoning the air in spaces ostensibly dedicated to distance from such forces, [16:43] schestowitz the answer is: because Robert Moses, crusader of progress, growth and development, wanted it that way.</p></blockquote></li> [16:44] schestowitz those are left-leaning sites [16:44] schestowitz sorry for the accidental paste [16:44] XRevan86 > level=debug msg="=> Send from irc.techrights (#techrights) to irc.freenode (#techrights) took 477.777s" func=func1 file="gateway/gateway.go:488" prefix=gateway [16:46] techrights-news NEWS #TheNation #Psychoanalysis #literature #Psychology Analysis Interminable: On #JanetMalcolm https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/janet-malcolm-psychoanalysis/ [16:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | Analysis Interminable: On Janet Malcolm | The Nation [16:46] schestowitz this one did not get relayed, either [16:47] *Guest9745 (~Guest97@ip5b4276c1.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) has joined #techrights [16:47] XRevan86 schestowitz: I think I know what's so special about techrights-news [16:47] XRevan86 schestowitz: It sends the same message to multiple channels. [16:47] schestowitz they both relayed OK to #boycottnovell-social but not this channel, so there is definitely something in the way, either domain name, hashtag, or both [16:48] XRevan86 The #boycottnovell-social message was attempted first. [16:48] *Guest9745 has quit (Client Quit) [16:48] XRevan86 so it's the one that went through [16:50] techrights-news NEWS #TruthOut #finance #poverty #Biden Extends #Eviction Moratorium for One Last Month as Crisis Looms https://truthout.org/articles/biden-extends-eviction-moratorium-for-one-last-month-as-crisis-looms/ [16:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Biden Extends Eviction Moratorium for One Last Month as Crisis Looms [16:50] schestowitz this one got relayed to both [16:51] techrights-news NEWS #TruthOut #goldenDawnald #WarOnProtest #RightToAssemble #Dissent Joint Chiefs Chair Rebuffed Trump's Demands to "Crack Skulls" of Protesters https://truthout.org/articles/joint-chiefs-chair-rebuffed-trumps-demands-to-crack-skulls-of-protesters/ [16:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Joint Chiefs Chair Rebuffed Trump's Demands to "Crack Skulls" of Protesters [16:51] *Guest9759 (~Guest97@ip5b4276c1.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) has joined #techrights [16:52] MinceR it's superfluous to send it to multiple channels anyway [16:52] schestowitz I can change that [16:52] XRevan86 time="2021-06-26T15:46:24Z" level=debug msg="=> Send from irc.techrights (#boycottnovell-social) to irc.freenode (#boycottnovell-social) took 134.496s" func=func1 file="gateway/gateway.go:488" prefix=gateway [16:52] XRevan86 time="2021-06-26T15:46:24Z" level=debug msg="=> Send from irc.techrights (#techrights) to irc.freenode (#techrights) took 148.033s" func=func1 file="gateway/gateway.go:488" prefix=gateway [16:52] schestowitz but that would not get to the bottom of the issue at hand [16:52] XRevan86 That's the timings on "Analysis Interminable: On #JanetMalcolm" [16:53] schestowitz maybe one needs a delay, or freenode detects that as too fast in succession? [16:53] XRevan86 I can add a MessageDelay [16:53] schestowitz between the two [16:54] XRevan86 Or rather, increase it, it's 1300 milliseconds right now. [16:54] schestowitz like I said, I first noticed this around 2pm today, when it was worst (but has not been fully solved since, either, so I assume freenode changed something) [16:55] XRevan86 cast CrystalMath [16:55] XRevan86 schestowitz: Also maybe the bot should be op everywhere after all, that may make it more trusted maybe. [16:56] schestowitz it did improve that in social [16:56] schestowitz i think since it got op in -social it has worked OK [16:57] schestowitz except at 3pm: "[14:57] [Notice] -tr-bridge to #boycottnovell-social- [TechrightsSocial/tr] lists.orbitalfox.eu | [USER][IDEA] Gemini Database of Places and Restaurants" [16:57] schestowitz when it worked ok here, but not in -social [16:57] schestowitz very off [16:57] schestowitz *odd [16:59] schestowitz I think that leads to intrigues about potential changes at the backend of freenode, even if just throttling for spam prevention ● Jun 26 [17:00] schestowitz but this is clearly not limited to one domain and can't be attributed just to hashtags, either [17:00] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 29.10 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 12.36 swarm size (avg): 305.63 [17:00] XRevan86 schestowitz: I want to shut down the bridge for a few minutes to add some user modes if that's O.K. [17:00] schestowitz yes, sure [17:01] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [17:04] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [17:04] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [17:04] XRevan86 All good? [17:05] XRevan86 I wanted to add +B to it, but also +D, +i and such. [17:05] techrights-news It is hardly surprising that the EPO keeps approving European software patents when Antnio Campinos infiltrates and lobbies the Boards of Appeal http://techrights.org/2021/06/26/fixing-by-antonio-campinos/ #Techrights | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/26/fixing-by-antonio-campinos/ [17:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] The EPOs Hand on the Scales (With Fixers Inside the Most Important Hearings) | Techrights [17:05] schestowitz the above was not related [17:05] schestowitz *relayed [17:05] techrights-news All our #EPO articles have long been available over #GeminiProtocol (gemini://) and today we have a complete list of all those articles (in gemini://) http://techrights.org/2021/06/26/epo-gemini/ #Techrights | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/26/epo-gemini/ [17:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The European Patent Office (EPO) Articles, Almost 3,500 of Them in Total, Now Listed in Gemini | Techrights [17:06] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:06] schestowitz this one was not either [17:06] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:06] XRevan86 schestowitz: What MessageDelay to put [17:06] techrights-news #IRC is #freesoftware (protocol implemented mostly using code anybody can deploy and use) http://techrights.org/2021/06/26/why-irc-is-best-off-when-self-hosted-and-large-irc-networks-are-just-a-temporarily-convenient-trap/ [17:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why IRC is Best Off When Self-Hosted (and Large IRC Networks Are Just a Temporarily Convenient Trap) | Techrights [17:06] XRevan86 maybe to just double it [17:07] schestowitz not sure it's the delay [17:07] *bridge has quit (connection closed) [17:07] *bridge (~bridge@sp6mg7ktjfurg.irc) has joined #techrights [17:07] *irc.techrights.org gives channel operator status to bridge [17:07] XRevan86 I'll try anyway. Doubling it should be enough if that's the culprit. [17:07] schestowitz I think we might be looking now at freenode backend changes, as we changed nothing at our end [17:08] techrights-news NEWS #CommonDreams #goldenDawnald Its Time to Talk About #MichaelFlynn and His Cronies https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/06/25/its-time-talk-about-michael-flynn-and-his-cronies [17:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Its Time to Talk About Michael Flynn and His Cronies | Lawrence Wilkerson [17:08] schestowitz this once got relayed [17:09] techrights-news NEWS #TruthOut Meet the Dad Who Tricked Ex-NRA Head Into "Graduation Speech" for Empty Chairs https://truthout.org/video/meet-the-dad-who-tricked-ex-nra-head-into-graduation-speech-for-empty-chairs/ [17:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Meet the Dad Who Tricked Ex-NRA Head Into "Graduation Speech" for Empty Chairs [17:09] schestowitz both the above relayed OK [17:09] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [17:09] schestowitz I'll try some new free software links [17:10] *XRevan86 just had to share the config yesterday, just a day and it's outdated %) [17:10] activelow is this some anti-spam filter or is freenode censoring? [17:11] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [17:11] XRevan86 activelow: The measure taken assumes the former. [17:11] XRevan86 seems to be working fine [17:11] techrights-news Yes, #malta should give #ubuntu #gnu #linux a go. Oh, not THAT "Ubuntu"? https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/malta-is-losing-its-way-ubuntu-could-offer-it-direction-colm-regan.882259 [17:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-timesofmalta.com | Malta is losing its way. Ubuntu could offer it direction - Colm Regan [17:12] schestowitz activelow: seems plausible around 2pm my time they tweaked something [17:12] schestowitz and basically dropped some messages [17:12] schestowitz what we do not is akin to reverse engineering [17:13] schestowitz because we do not know what change, if anything, at the back end there [17:13] XRevan86 schestowitz: If it stopped happening, then we can assume that we do know what changed :) [17:14] techrights-news #gnu #linux sites really ought to stop relaying #microsoft #vapourware about #visat11 and try to concentrate on what Microsoft likely looks to distract from, e.g. collapse of the Gates Foundation and http://techrights.org/2021/06/24/microsoft-attacking-linux-from-the-inside/ [17:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Politicians Need to Crack Down on Microsofts Monopoly Abuse Amid Yet More Attacks on Linux (Even From the Inside) | Techrights [17:15] schestowitz XRevan86: yes, we can write about that too [17:15] schestowitz they could delay the relay at their endd [17:15] schestowitz instead of nuking messages [17:15] XRevan86 schestowitz: Their intention is not to slow down the messages, it's to prevent multi-channel spam. [17:18] schestowitz yes, maybe they had issues like that [17:18] schestowitz mind you, it worked fine for years [17:19] XRevan86 https://paste.debian.net/hidden/c4040b6c updated config [17:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paste.debian.net | Debian Pastezone [17:22] XRevan86 schestowitz: Good thing ye moved techrights-news over :). Otherwise, ye would've had needed to make these changes in it. [17:27] XRevan86 that was an overly convoluted sentence from me [17:34] techrights-news #Huawei dev scolded for pointless #Linux kernel code contributions http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152707 #Kernel #China #TuxMachines [17:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Huawei dev scolded for pointless Linux kernel code contributions | Tux Machines [17:36] DaemonFC The eviction moratorium needs to end. [17:36] schestowitz LOL, they still call it "moratorium" [17:36] DaemonFC If people can't pay their bills, they need to file bankruptcy already and then get started paying their rent going forward. [17:36] terps there is literally no properties for rent right now in my area [17:36] terps all being squatted [17:37] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_moratorium_on_the_death_penalty [17:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | United Nations moratorium on the death penalty - Wikipedia [17:37] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moratorium_to_End_the_War_in_Vietnam [17:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Moratorium to End the War in Vietnam - Wikipedia [17:37] terps been looking for a cheap rental closer to my work so I don't have to commute so much [17:37] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_delayed_is_justice_denied [17:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Justice delayed is justice denied - Wikipedia [17:37] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_deepwater_drilling_moratorium [17:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | 2010 United States deepwater drilling moratorium - Wikipedia [17:37] immibis welcome to the modern real estate market. which the left has been complaining about for *years* [17:37] terps how about a diarhea moratorium [17:38] terps it's not the real estate market it's because no1 can be evicted [17:38] schestowitz not a good idea [17:38] terps all the rentals are being squatted [17:38] terps the real estate market here is doing OK [17:38] immibis just buy one then [17:38] schestowitz you can burst intestines or inflame them [17:38] terps right but this is the root cause administration [17:39] terps put a moratorium on diarhea and investigate the root cause [17:39] terps then do nothing [17:39] terps and hope it works [17:39] schestowitz some tent concessions were made [17:39] terps then when it doesn't [17:39] schestowitz just to keep tenants in [17:39] terps blame white supremacists [17:39] schestowitz it's a class issue [17:40] terps yep [17:40] schestowitz nobody seems to be turning this into a race issue [17:40] terps we've gone from capitalism to corporatism [17:40] schestowitz except your straw man [17:40] schestowitz here in the UK there's a company called Gentoo [17:40] immibis "that wasn't real capitalism" [17:40] schestowitz I see it coming up in my rss feeds [17:40] schestowitz they own tons of houses [17:40] schestowitz like tens of thousands [17:40] activelow uhm, in germany it was "the left" who sold public state-owned real estate in Berlin for example, and elsewhere [17:40] schestowitz so landlords are now corporationsd [17:41] terps yeah we have the same thing going on here [17:41] schestowitz and farmland owned by a famous criminal called Bill Gates [17:41] immibis activelow: was it? now the left is trying to buy it back [17:41] terps bill gates buying up all the farmland blackrock buying up all the homes [17:41] activelow immibis: yes, the left did it. [17:41] terps it's clearly an attack on the classes and all this racial division crap is meant to distract us from it [17:41] immibis schestowitz: corporations owned by other corporations owned by other corporations. when traced back it's probably millions or tens of millions [17:41] schestowitz privatisation is not a lefist thing [17:41] schestowitz it's a corporate party thing, like Tories in UK [17:42] immibis activelow: were nazis leftists? just checking [17:42] activelow and, it was "the left" who called for uncontrolled mass immigration into the cities without required real-estate regulations in place [17:42] schestowitz Dehomag was to the left of Hitler :-) [17:42] immibis activelow: this always makes me laugh internally because the right proposes regulating the free market [17:42] activelow immibis: please skip this nazi quackery, this political party ceased to exist in 1945 [17:43] immibis activelow: but were they leftists? [17:43] terps thing is racism isn't a problem at all in america [17:43] terps ppl act like this is the most racist era in american history [17:43] terps meanwhile at one point 5% of americans were active KKK members [17:43] immibis "not the worst in history" != "not a problem" [17:44] terps and that number is down to like 5k people or .00001% of the population or something like that [17:44] activelow immibis: who? the nsdap was in essence the "workers' party" [17:44] terps racism is literally at an all time low [17:44] terps and then they start this divisive racial narrative [17:44] terps and suddenly it's on the upturn [17:44] terps because that was the intended consequence [17:45] terps distract the proles from the banks and wallstreet [17:45] terps and turn them on each other [17:45] schestowitz anyway, back to tech [17:45] immibis activelow: is that a yes? [17:45] schestowitz we have a channel called #boycottnovell-social historically for this purpose [17:46] techrights-news This old bullshit about light shifts is making a comeback. It's not totally baseless, but hyped up again. https://www.maketecheasier.com/schedule-blue-light-filter-android/ [17:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | How to Schedule the Blue Light Filter on an Android Device - Make Tech Easier [17:47] terps I mean it's 40 people here and 10% of those are active [17:47] terps are we really trashing the channel with off topic chat? lol [17:47] *Guest9759 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [17:48] terps that's the problem with society these days [17:48] terps it's too easy to live [17:48] terps no real threats other than other people [17:48] terps so we're more prone to make a huge issue out of things that aren't [17:48] terps while ignoring things too long until they become an issue because we're comfortable [17:49] techrights-news If you wan to fall asleep, turn the darn thing off and let the mind 'switch off'. None of that "light shift" aura hooey... [17:49] immibis i think the idea is the blue light hinders your sleeping even for a while after you turn it off [17:50] terps I don't believe any of that [17:50] terps had a blue nightlight growing up slept like a baby I can sleep in the sun in the morning or at sunset [17:50] techrights-news Cover it with tape, instead. #mozilla #firefox isn't trustworthy anymore. It has proprietary blobs and is fiscally run by #google https://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2021/06/how-to-disable-camera-permanently-on-firefox-browser.html [17:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ubuntubuzz.com | How To Disable Camera Permanently on Firefox Browser [17:51] immibis you'd be surprised how many weird mechanisms biology has evolved that don't make much sense, but work in their specific context [17:51] activelow for me this was an issue for almost two decades now, to rent some office space for example, a tiny lab and such, to at least safely store my books somewhere [17:51] samiamsam well the blue light is closer to sunlight and so it keeps you up more like sunlight does [17:51] terps I think a lot of the things in our diet and lack of activity are more to blame for difficulty sleeping than the color of light emitted by our displays [17:51] immibis you would think that A && (B || C || D) && (E || F) -> X, but it's actually just Y -> X, where Y happens to usually match A && (B || C || D) && (E || F) [17:52] immibis example: your breathing reflex is triggered by high CO2, not low O2. In a low-O2 environment, you're perfectly able to expel CO2 and you don't notice the lack of O2 until you pass out [17:52] terps go for a run do a few pushups take a shower and lay down and do basic meditation counting your breathes [17:52] terps if you don't fall asleep you have a genetic or dietary issue imo [17:53] samiamsam dude what are you talking about. exercise right before bed is going to keep you up [17:53] terps for me it's caffeine [17:53] terps lol what no [17:53] terps the shower relaxes [17:55] terps look at lions if evolutionary theory is correct which I believe it is we evolved in a much similar environment to them for the majority of our history and they have no problem sleeping at midday [17:55] terps the light isn't the issue [17:55] samiamsam you need to look at real data not just make up theories based on evolutionary theory [17:56] terps idk I just think people don't get enough exercise and consume to many stimulants that's why they can't sleep [17:57] terps *too [17:58] terps we live in a society of instant gratification and a lot of us push those dosing buttons in our brains way too much [17:58] terps I go to sleep every night watching a monitor a meter away from my face [17:59] immibis terps: lions have different evolution making them sleep at midday, then [17:59] terps you've never fallen asleep in the sun? [17:59] immibis terps: lions have different evolutionary pressures from humans. Otherwise you could say, since we evolved in a similar environment to lions, why can't we roar? [17:59] terps If I wasn't german and irish I would do it all the time ● Jun 26 [18:00] terps I don't tan I just turn red and get more moles and freckles [18:02] terps I can't think of a single animal from the african plains that doesn't sleep during the day sometimes [18:03] terps idk I just feel like there's more historical and evolutionary evidence for light not being an issue and for every study you find that says it is you can find another that says it isn't [18:04] immibis job: seems a bit useless to me. I'd rather see federated identities and federated channels. Not Matrix, which has distributed channels [18:04] immibis job: IRC trusts all servers [18:04] terps like I said some have a gene maybe, some have diet/exercise issues, and some just lack discipline. [18:04] immibis your idea means if I want to create #linux I can just create a server and create #linux on that server. Then, I can do whatever I want such as banning all non-windows discussion [18:05] immibis I can even register all dictionary words [18:05] immibis but if it had to be #linux@immibis.com, that would be less of a concern, because someone else could make a #linux@tilde.team and spread word around that it's a better one. But then there would be duplicate channels [18:06] immibis perhaps you have trust relationships regarding channel names, so someone on immibis.com who joins #linux joins #linux@immibis.com by default, and someone on tilde.team joins #linux@tilde.team by default, and someone on foobar.com *also* joins #linux@tilde.team by default [18:07] immibis but that's probably more confusing than useful [18:09] immibis I wanted to try matrix but then I read it had decentralized channels [18:09] terps noise I can understand [18:10] terps I suffer from hyper vigilance and any noise that's out of the norm while I'm sleeping will have me wide awake [18:13] activelow anyway, this was a highly relevant issue after 1990, in east germany, when public real-estate and ownership of companies was transferred [18:15] activelow all Universities executives replaced with minions of USA (CDU), university publishers sold [18:16] activelow immibis: since "the left" sailing under false flag often ("pirate party" "eco activists" and all that) "befriends" with software people let may say it is a challenge to find worse enemies than such "friends" of free software and science [18:20] activelow essentially the ruling entities in germany are ALL minions of USA (atlantik brcke): newspapers, publishers, politicians who agitate in the interest of washington and who lobbies for particular interests there [18:21] activelow privatisation of telco to strengthen USA dominated monopolies was one consequence [18:22] terps yeah because now the feds listen and the telcos sell your metadata [18:22] activelow feds? [18:22] terps like my instance I can use my ISPs dns and it's trash and they likely log it for purposes [18:22] immibis terps: humans also sleep during the day sometimes. look up "siesta". it's not obligatory for humans [18:23] terps or I can use what cloudflare which is great but they're also not trustworthy [18:24] immibis "As for the origins of the practice in Spain, the scorching summer heat predominant mostly in the South is thought to have motivated those doing agrarian work to take a break to avoid the hottest part of the day. " [18:24] immibis probably the same reason lions do it. it's hot, so don't generate heat [18:41] activelow in east-germany universities and industry did establish *autark* chip manufacturing, it was independent from USA and Asian manufacturing [18:45] activelow after 1990 scientists were transferred into social welfare programs to receive minimum wage at least, for their research [18:47] activelow BMW car manufacturer is interesting too, it is mislabeled, it should have been Wartburg brand. Texas Instruments in German schools? Should have been Robotron. [18:48] activelow Harley Davidson engine? It is Rotax ones. It is a long list of such. [18:49] activelow Eradicated from history books as if the entire country, their people, their companies never existed. [18:55] activelow Including the currency, which is Deutsche Mark, not some toy money. [18:57] gustaf nothing on Wikipedia about a connection between H-D and Rotax [18:57] gustaf which is an Austrian brand originally ] [18:57] gustaf H-D are famously backwards when it comes to engineering [18:57] gustaf very American that way [18:57] activelow Rotax is Saxony East-Germany [18:57] gustaf at least vehicular [18:58] gustaf ok Wikipedia is wrong then [18:58] gustaf ``The company was founded in 1920 in Dresden, Germany, as ROTAX-WERK AG. In 1930, it was taken over by Fichtel & Sachs and transferred its operations to Schweinfurt, Germany. Operations were moved to Wels, Austria, in 1943 and finally to Gunskirchen, Austria, in 1947.'' [18:59] terps yeah HD looks at everything that makes a bike great and goes "yeah we're doing the opposite of that" [18:59] gustaf Canadian since 1970 [18:59] activelow another remarkable "transfer" in recent years was Takraf Germany, it is now in the hands of some Italian money people ● Jun 26 [19:00] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 26.38 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 14.71 swarm size (avg): 305.64 [19:00] gustaf Techint? that's basically engineering [19:05] activelow Mafia [19:07] gustaf that's a very retrograde, almost racist, view of Italians [19:09] activelow maybe, at leat their affiliates restored some old real-estate in small east-german towns [19:09] activelow italian restaurants [19:13] activelow in any case i couldn't at least afford to rent some small office, a lab space or anything, to store my books safely somewhere [19:14] activelow next autumn then i am allowed to vote in this new democracy USA blessed me with in germany [19:15] gustaf you mean the Bundesrepublik? [19:15] gustaf which is like 70+ years old now? [19:16] activelow Leipzig University is more than 1000 years old, it is among the oldest world wide [19:16] gustaf Bologna is older I believe [19:17] gustaf 1088 [19:19] activelow 1409, the monastry predating the university and Leipzig city is mentioned in historical records since year 900 [19:36] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [19:38] *inky_ (~inky@178.78.130.20) has joined #techrights [19:40] *Guest9711 (~Guest97@ip5b4276c1.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) has joined #techrights [19:55] *sepsinn has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.2) [19:55] techrights-news Linux 5.14 Set To See Many New Features, New GPU Support, Other Exciting Changes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152707#comment-30064 [19:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Huawei dev scolded for pointless Linux kernel code contributions | Tux Machines [19:58] *mjg59_ is now known as mjg59 ● Jun 26 [20:01] techrights-news ...what an absolutely horrible idea! For so many reasons https://idroot.us/install-lamp-stack-windows-10-wsl/ [20:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-idroot.us | How To Install LAMP Stack on Windows 10 WSL - idroot [20:01] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [20:05] *inky_ (~inky@178.78.130.20) has joined #techrights [20:05] techrights-news Top 5 Interesting and Funny Commands on #GNU #Linux (Fun Terminal) https://lateweb.info/top-5-interesting-and-funny-commands-on-linux-fun-terminal/ [20:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lateweb.info | Top 5 Interesting and Funny Commands on Linux (Fun Terminal) [20:14] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152708 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [20:14] techrights-news This week in #KDE : Post-Akademy bug blitz http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152709 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This week in KDE: Post-Akademy bug blitz | Tux Machines [20:22] *sepsinn (~sepsinn@c9nu4ummhfn7e.irc) has joined #techrights [20:26] techrights-news Too much participation from #gnu #linux channels/sites/bloggers in the #vapourware #googlebombing campaign of #microsoft ... don't help them do this. They distract from catastrophes and blunders, hence the timing. [20:27] techrights-news The State of #Python Packaging in 2021 | Bastian Venthur's Blog https://venthur.de/2021-06-26-python-packaging.html #Bastianventhur | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/26/#latest [20:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-venthur.de | The State of Python Packaging in 2021 | Bastian Venthur's Blog [20:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [20:28] techrights-news #NVIDIA #DLSS on #Linux is straight-up witchcraft and pulls ever closer to Windows | TechRadar https://www.techradar.com/news/nvidia-dlss-on-linux-is-straight-up-witchcraft-and-pulls-ever-closer-to-windows #techradar | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/26/#latest [20:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NVIDIA DLSS on Linux is straight-up witchcraft and pulls ever closer to Windows | TechRadar [20:30] techrights-news Promotion: Knight's Challenge http://blogs.perl.org/users/c_y_fung/2021/06/promotion-knights-challenge.html #chese #perl #programming #deletegithub [20:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Promotion: Knight's Challenge | Moments on Perl or other Programming Issues [blogs.perl.org] [20:32] techrights-news This #ibm emeritus won't be around in 2040, but he wonders what things will look like after one evil giant, IBM, leaves others like it around https://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2021/06/what-might-the-world-be-like-in-2040.html [20:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.irvingwb.com | Irving Wladawsky-Berger: What Might the World Be Like in 2040? [20:39] techrights-news #elementaryOS Developer Week 2021 https://edw.elementary.io/ #gnu #linux [20:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edw.elementary.io | edw elementary Developer Weekend [20:39] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:40] techrights-news #RapidDisk 7.2.1 now available https://koutoupis.com/2021/06/26/rapiddisk-7-2-1-now-available/ #deletegithub #proprietarySoftware [20:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-koutoupis.com | RapidDisk 7.2.1 now available Random [Tech] Stuff [20:40] techrights-news On tail calls and register allocation https://blog.sesse.net/blog/tech/2021-06-26-13-59_on_tail_calls_and_register_allocation.html #programming [20:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.sesse.net | Steinar H. Gunderson [20:43] techrights-news "Yesterday night #KDE #Akademy 2021 ended after eight fun and productive days filled with talks, BoFs, workshops, discussions and meetings with old and new friends." https://www.volkerkrause.eu/2021/06/26/kde-akademy-2021-recap.html [20:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.volkerkrause.eu | KDE Akademy 2021 Recap [20:45] techrights-news 15 Excellent #FreeSW #Plotting Tools http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152710 [20:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 15 Excellent Free and Open Source Plotting Tools | Tux Machines [20:45] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [20:49] techrights-news Oh, gosh. Come on, "Linux" sites... stop helping #microsoft (in blunders and scandals) paint everything with the #vista11 brush. They distract from truly horrible things... and this is just vapourware, as always... [20:51] techrights-news Seems like the term #BigTech (or "GAFA") was 'coined' by #microsoft to mean "large companies other than the biggest criminals out there..." http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/ [20:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and Slush Funds | Techrights [20:51] techrights-news "I put together a small tutorial for #kiln (a simple static site generator with Gemini support). The goal is to make it easy for new users to get started." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006806.html #geminiProtocol #internet [20:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [users] kiln tutorial site [20:57] techrights-news #GNOME Internet Radio Locator version 11.12 with GeoClue 2.0 Location Services http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152711 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME Internet Radio Locator version 11.12 with GeoClue 2.0 Location Services | Tux Machines [20:57] techrights-news List of Top 5 #CentOS #Linux Alternatives 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152712 #IBM #RHEL [20:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | List of Top 5 CentOS Linux Alternatives 2021 | Tux Machines [20:58] techrights-news #NVIDIA Proposes The Linux Hardware Timestamping Engine http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152713 #Kernel #Linux #TuxMachines [20:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NVIDIA Proposes The Linux Hardware Timestamping Engine | Tux Machines ● Jun 26 [21:00] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [21:01] *inky_ (~inky@141.136.79.172) has joined #techrights [21:08] techrights-news You have put your firm at the hands of your enemy, enemies of #libreoffice and #opendocument Format, just months after they paid you some money. It's a short-sighted move, history shows. Time and time again... https://twitter.com/wget42/status/1408758556493500423 [21:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wget42: @schestowitz At the end of the day, even if GitHub is proprietary software, this move benefits the whole Collabora https://t.co/BIFbVucS19 [21:11] *alextee has quit (connection closed) [21:15] techrights-news <li><h5><a href=""></a></h5> [21:16] techrights-news #google #youtube has gotten so bad, so toxic, and so competitive, that vloggers just post clickbait nonsense and provocative misinformation (not the only example from today!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfoq-Jb23bE [21:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-QUITTING Linux For macOS or Windows - YouTube [21:22] techrights-news #DragonFlyBSD To See Better Low-Level Lock Performance When Heavily Contested http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152714 #BSD #UNIX #TuxMachines [21:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | DragonFlyBSD To See Better Low-Level Lock Performance When Heavily Contested | Tux Machines [21:22] techrights-news Events: #KDE #Akademy , elementary Developer Week, and DebConf http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152715 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Events: KDE Akademy, elementary Developer Week, and DebConf | Tux Machines [21:23] techrights-news #Server : REST, Containers vs Virtual Machine, and #Postgres http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152716 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Server: REST, Containers vs Virtual Machine, and Postgres | Tux Machines [21:24] techrights-news 6 Reasons Why You Should Give #GNU #Linux Another Chance in 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152717 [21:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 6 Reasons Why You Should Give Linux Another Chance in 2021 | Tux Machines [21:24] *jhswartz (~jhs@user/jhswartz) has joined #techrights [21:24] techrights-news #Krita 5 is Just Around the Corner, Coming with Exciting New Features http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152718 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #KDE [21:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Krita 5 is Just Around the Corner, Coming with Exciting New Features | Tux Machines [21:28] *alextee (~alextee@p5ururacf4pq4.irc) has joined #techrights [21:30] *jhswartz (~jhs@user/jhswartz) has left #techrights [21:53] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152719 #Linux #TuxMachines [21:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines ● Jun 26 [22:07] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@c59rpkzj2h7vg.irc) has joined #techrights [22:13] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:22] techrights-news #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152720 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [22:22] techrights-news Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152721 [22:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [22:23] techrights-news Links 26/6/2021: Linux 5.13 Likely Imminent and Huawei Criticised http://techrights.org/2021/06/26/likely-imminent-linux-release/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/26/likely-imminent-linux-release/ [22:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 26/6/2021: Linux 5.13 Likely Imminent and Huawei Criticised | Techrights [22:25] techrights-news Latest RMS talk: Richard Stallman, Blau Araujo, Paulo Kretcheu, Alexandre Oliva http://techrights.org/2021/06/11/rms-brazil-chat/ [22:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Conversation With Richard Stallman in Brazil, May 31st 2021 | Techrights [22:31] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [22:31] AdmFubar https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-admits-to-signing-rootkit-malware-in-supply-chain-fiasco/ [22:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Microsoft admits to signing rootkit malware in supply-chain fiasco [22:33] schestowitz The media is helping Microsoft's vapourware tactics; sadly, over the past few days we saw more than a dozen so-called 'Linux' bloggers and vloggers playing along, joining a wave of Googlebombing (interjecting the vapourware into news about Microsoft's competitors) [22:33] schestowitz oops [22:33] schestowitz summary of next post [22:33] schestowitz Ariadne: nice [22:33] schestowitz then they blame "Linux" [22:33] schestowitz For taking their malware downstream [22:34] XRevan86 schestowitz: When did ridn write? [22:34] schestowitz write what? [22:34] schestowitz and I see you dodged notifications [22:39] schestowitz you can always check http://techrights.org/irc/ [22:39] schestowitz oh, I see what you mean [22:39] schestowitz I highlighted the wrong person [22:39] schestowitz AdmFubar: [22:39] schestowitz it auto-completed, my bad... [22:43] schestowitz https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php [22:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-netsplit.de | NO TITLE [22:43] *wrycode (~wrycode@168.235.110.39) has left #techrights (Leaving) [22:52] XRevan86 schestowitz: Oh, ye noticed? hehe [22:52] XRevan86 Yea, she doesn't like to be casted over nothing, but I have two keyboard layouts, so it's easy to arrange ● Jun 26 [23:24] schestowitz shuffling around kde settings [23:24] schestowitz plasma icons etc. [23:24] schestowitz it drives xorg nuts, tons of RAM taken [23:24] schestowitz but it is being redeemed now, over time... now sure what that works like that [23:57] cubexyz/fn End of 32-bit support on win11, not that the people here need to worry [23:58] cubexyz/fn also the PS/2 subsystem sometimes is not working on win10 [23:59] cubexyz/fn I come across this sometimes doing computer consulting [23:59] schestowitz vista11 is just vapourware [23:59] schestowitz no need to even discuss it [23:59] schestowitz I am uploading a video about this atm [23:59] cubexyz/fn ok [23:59] schestowitz it's what they want...