●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, November 26, 2021 ●● ● Nov 26 [00:08] techrights-news "Profit-motivated economics invites people to ask, "How can I get ahead?" Raworth's economics invites people to ask, "What do we all need?"" https://stallman.org/archives//2021-sep-dec.html#25_November_2021_(Kay_Raworth_Economics) [00:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2021: September - December Political Notes - Richard Stallman [00:09] techrights-news The game uses client-side certificates to maintain game sessions." Two Gemini clients I use do not support this :/ https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007634.html [00:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | Announcing SpellBinding, a cgi game for Gemini [00:11] schestowitz is there a "magic" way to retreive latest wordpress post? [00:11] schestowitz like ?p=max [00:12] schestowitz *retrieve [00:12] schestowitz https://stackoverflow.com/questions/8751564/get-latest-post-link-on-wordpress [00:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stackoverflow.com | php - Get latest post link on WordPress - Stack Overflow [00:13] schestowitz seems like a common question [00:13] schestowitz I want to make gemini sync in almost real time wrt www [00:13] DaemonFC DaemonFC: sometimes I joke to myself that RMS is sponsored by Guardian [00:13] schestowitz I'm getting sick of www [00:13] schestowitz too much spam and sponsored fake 'news' [00:13] DaemonFC I ran across a British joke. [00:14] DaemonFC https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0751828/characters/nm0001329 [00:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-"Yes, Prime Minister" A Conflict of Interest (TV Episode 1987) - Nigel Hawthorne as Sir Humphrey Appleby - IMDb [00:14] schestowitz seems like backend and php needed to get latest post [00:14] schestowitz I've long wanted to automate all this [00:15] schestowitz https://stackoverflow.com/questions/17947778/how-to-use-wordpress-get-recent-posts https://stackoverflow.com/questions/41631565/how-to-display-latest-posts-in-wordpress [00:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stackoverflow.com | php - How to use WordPress get recent posts? - Stack Overflow [00:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stackoverflow.com | php - How to display latest posts in Wordpress - Stack Overflow [00:15] DaemonFC Sir Humphrey : The only way to understand the Press is to remember that they pander to their readers' prejudices. [00:15] DaemonFC Jim Hacker : Don't tell me about the Press. I know *exactly* who reads the papers. The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country; The Guardian is read by people who think they *ought* to run the country; The Times is read by the people who actually *do* run the country; The Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country; The Financial Times is read by people who *own* the country; The Morning Star is read [00:15] DaemonFC by people who think the country ought to be run by *another* country; and The Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is. [00:15] DaemonFC Sir Humphrey : Oh, and Prime Minister, what about the people who read The Sun? [00:15] schestowitz https://stackoverflow.com/questions/56809141/get-latest-post-on-blog-page https://stackoverflow.com/questions/23683437/get-last-post-date-for-custom-post-type-wordpress [00:15] DaemonFC Bernard Woolley : Sun readers don't care who runs the country as long as she's got big tits. [00:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stackoverflow.com | php - Get latest post on blog page - Stack Overflow [00:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stackoverflow.com | Get last post date for custom post type - Wordpress - Stack Overflow [00:15] psydruid I got sick of www 2 years ago and started looking into Gemini, but software support had just about starter and there weren't so many sites yet [00:16] psydruid started* [00:16] psydruid it was orbifx who told me about it actually [00:16] schestowitz DaemonFC: that's hilarious actually [00:16] schestowitz because it is partly true [00:17] schestowitz DaemonFC: Sun page 3 is no more [00:17] schestowitz so that joke won't mean much to younger people [00:17] *altlink_5c5 has quit (connection closed) [00:17] *altlink_c65 (~altlink_c65@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #techrights [00:20] psydruid > The Web is a shithole full of scams and advertisements. [00:20] psydruid The worst part is that its creators and founders encouraged this development or made excuses to keep using it when they knew many people would be better off with a new protocol and platform [00:21] schestowitz exactly [00:21] schestowitz so the leadership too lost creds [00:21] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web_Consortium [00:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | World Wide Web Consortium - Techrights [00:21] schestowitz it happened just over a decade ago [00:21] schestowitz when www was a teen [00:22] schestowitz timbl's "solution" is more JS shite... hosted by Microsoft proprietary shithub [00:22] schestowitz which is... well, revealing about tim bl's understanding of the current situation [00:22] schestowitz it's like more of the same stuff that dooms the open web [00:22] schestowitz Firefox became just "slow chrome" http://techrights.org/wiki/Mozilla [00:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mozilla - Techrights [00:23] DaemonFC Older games tend to run fine in vanilla Wine. [00:23] schestowitz Just tried url hacking on wordpress [00:23] DaemonFC So no need to make prefixes for those. [00:23] schestowitz wordpress lacks versatility on the client end [00:23] psydruid solid(/inrupt) embrace, extension and extinction [00:24] psydruid that was his grand plan [00:24] schestowitz DaemonFC: maybe maiuntainers of old games will abandon windows [00:24] schestowitz they will realise it's more economic to work with WINE [00:24] schestowitz and then run WINE on BSD of GNU [00:24] DaemonFC They should. Just tinker with them to work with Wine and re-release them. [00:24] schestowitz without it breaking everything "the Vole" has version+1 [00:24] schestowitz see scummvm [00:25] psydruid I was there at his presentation at FOSDEM 2019 and I was thinking "this is never going to be adopted" [00:25] psydruid so it was a fake solution to a real problem [00:25] schestowitz this is all host-side https://webhostinghero.org/how-to-get-the-most-recent-permalink-in-wordpress/ [00:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to Get the Link to the Latest Post in WordPress - WebHostingHero.org [00:25] schestowitz surely there ought to be a way for client side [00:26] schestowitz "serve me the latest post" [00:26] psydruid I install every game in its own prefix [00:26] psydruid with Lutris [00:26] schestowitz ah, lutris is caool [00:27] psydruid not for me but for others [00:27] schestowitz suppose I could run my own hack to parse the front page and retrieve post ID of first in the list then site/p=?[ID] [00:28] schestowitz but huge overhead [00:28] schestowitz wordpress is not improving [00:28] schestowitz it's becoming obese [00:28] schestowitz because of UX cargo cults [00:28] schestowitz the wordpress UI guy quit in protest [00:28] schestowitz over gutenberg (JS) [00:29] *m___ has quit (Quit: Leaving.) [00:29] psydruid WordPress content can relatively easily be moved to Gemini, I suppose [00:30] schestowitz lol sounds legit [00:30] schestowitz https://phpscriptfree.com/wordpress/wordpress-wp-37357-latest-post-shortcode-link.html [00:30] -altlink_c65/#techrights- Cloudflare: phpscriptfree.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://phpscriptfree.com/wordpress/wordpress-wp-37357-latest-post-shortcode-link.html [00:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to add Latest Post Link Shortcode in Wordpress | PHPscriptfree [00:30] schestowitz install random stuff from the web [00:30] schestowitz psydruid: it can, we did it [00:30] schestowitz go to techrights.org/git [00:30] schestowitz it's written in perl mostly [00:30] schestowitz under Gemini [00:31] schestowitz we did the same for mediawiki [00:31] schestowitz which powers wikipedia [00:32] schestowitz https://wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions/27882/get-the-id-of-the-latest-post [00:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wordpress.stackexchange.com | Get the ID of the latest post - WordPress Development Stack Exchange [00:34] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [00:35] schestowitz I will script something in bash [00:38] schestowitz curl -s http://techrights.org/?stories | grep "post-" [00:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights | Free Software Sentry watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom [00:38] schestowitz almost there now [00:39] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:39] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/weekend-random-randomness-11-21-21-17.jpg [00:39] -altlink_c65/#techrights- Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/weekend-random-randomness-11-21-21-17.jpg [00:41] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [00:41] schestowitz curl -s http://techrights.org/?stories | grep "post-" | cut -d \" -f 2,3 | tr -d post- | cut -d \" -f 1 | head -n 1 [00:41] schestowitz done, now I can plug that into the URL [00:42] psydruid Merry Firemass [00:45] schestowitz URL=$(curl -s http://techrights.org/?stories | grep "post-" | cut -d \" -f 2,3 | tr -d post- | cut -d \" -f 1 | head -n 1 ) [00:46] schestowitz LATEST="http://techrights.org/?p="$URL [00:46] schestowitz roy@vonick:~$ echo $LATEST [00:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights | Free Software Sentry watching and reporting maneuvers of those threatened by software freedom [00:46] schestowitz http://techrights.org/?p=152486 [00:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM as Master of Hypocrisy | Techrights [00:46] schestowitz yay [00:46] schestowitz didn't take long [00:47] schestowitz that will save me time in the long run [00:51] DaemonFC because of UX cargo cults [00:51] DaemonFC At least Rust walks right into this. [00:51] DaemonFC They actually have .cargo so you can call them .cargo cultists. [00:57] activelow RMS is given many speeches, however, this is a question, a technical one, i would have liked to asked or him said anything [00:57] activelow because, if it is true, PCC compiler is 5x-10x faster with reasonably optimized output [00:57] activelow what he, RMS, thinks of this [00:59] schestowitz https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3074288/get-final-url-after-curl-is-redirected [00:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stackoverflow.com | linux - Get final URL after curl is redirected - Stack Overflow ● Nov 26 [01:00] *m___ (~Adium@zpct666kw3iz6.irc) has joined #techrights [01:00] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@h7459hcyd2y66.irc) has joined #techrights [01:02] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [01:05] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:05] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #techrights [01:05] activelow "This product includes software developed or owned by Caldera International, Inc." [01:06] psydruid PCC should be able to compile any basic code, right? or even SIMD and vector code? [01:06] activelow to muy knowledge PCC doesn't SIMD optimize [01:07] activelow GCC doesn't neither at -O2 default [01:07] activelow aha, PCC compiler was the *nix one... and then "Caldera (SCO Group) vs Microsoft" among other legal battles escalated [01:08] activelow from a technical standpoint, GNU was "victorious" with their gcc [01:08] psydruid I'd rather skip SIMD and go straight to vector code [01:09] activelow what's the difference? SIMD is intended to process vectors. [01:09] psydruid for a compiler at least [01:10] psydruid there are some differences in how instructions are emitted for them [01:10] activelow anyway, SIMD isn't related to the question what happened to GNU/gcc (bloated beyond repair) and PCC (abandoned) [01:10] psydruid but I haven't worked with either so far [01:11] psydruid I don't know what happened to them [01:11] activelow me neither, i only see the final result of it: slow and inefficient and insecure software [01:12] psydruid I just want a working non-bloated and fast compiler [01:12] activelow which isn't enought, because system integration of it is a challenge [01:12] psydruid but I want that for all of my software [01:13] psydruid I wouldn't know what is enough [01:13] activelow now i see, Caldera/SCO were delisted from NASDAQ stock exchange 2007 [01:14] activelow which is remarkable, because a trillion cash global business scam depends on it, such as, a reliable compiler [01:15] psydruid I think I'm not that much into the GNU/Linux development process anymore [01:16] activelow http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20091228231142 [01:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-undeadly.org | Call for testing: pcc and the OpenBSD kernel [01:17] activelow this project was, until closed, funded with $750.... LOL [01:18] psydruid it can fund someone in Eastern Europe [01:19] activelow good luck [01:19] activelow anyway, some argue to keep BSD free of GPL, which wouldn't be my concern with PCC compiler [01:19] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:20] activelow instead, the argument it compiled supposedly 5x-10x faster (couldn't test this yet) [01:22] kingoffrance i remember that at the time (above link) ...net/free/open all use clang now? [01:22] kingoffrance free does anyways [01:22] psydruid yes, on multiple architectures they do [01:22] activelow good question kingoffrance [01:23] activelow i am not opposing GCC or LLVM/Clang, i only think neither of those do fill the niche i am interested in [01:23] kingoffrance i mean, for some things at least, they did moe away from gcc, just not to pcc [01:23] kingoffrance *move [01:23] psydruid I'm not sure if GCC is gone on all architectures, but it's usually some patched 4.2.1 version anyway [01:23] kingoffrance long ago you could sort of (completely unsupported) compile at least part of freebsd userland and maybe kernel with icc [01:23] kingoffrance (intel) [01:24] kingoffrance eh, i just think its nice to have choices [01:24] psydruid doesn't fuzix have its own compiler? [01:24] activelow fake choice [01:24] activelow yes psydruid, SDCC, which is GPL btw [01:25] kingoffrance i mean, the compiler-specific stuff should be isolated anyways [01:25] activelow however, SDCC is for tiniest embedded microcontrollers (which are fascinating too) [01:25] kingoffrance even someone who only cares about one compiler, you don't have to hardcode things [01:25] activelow however, with pcc, if it at least compiled uboot/kernel/busybox/perl/python... to begin with [01:26] activelow i mean, with PCC a *nix system could be maintained self-hosting on some of the current tiny embeddes systems, with 500milliwatts power draw [01:26] activelow if my estimates are correct [01:27] *m___ has quit (Quit: Leaving.) [01:29] activelow anyway, i didn't hear anything from RMS, although he boasted software freedom with his talks in the last decades [01:29] activelow and GCC is his child, gcc in particular [01:30] activelow *BSD couldn't source funding of at least a few thousand cash for their compiler? how did GNU do it then to fund their GCC monstrosity development? [01:30] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [01:30] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 17.05 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 15.53 swarm size (avg): 258.83 [01:32] activelow honestly, i simply do not know the nitty gritty details of "sco vs linux" or "caldera vs microsoft" [01:34] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:38] activelow didn't microsoft smash Caldera? and then, the winner is... GNU? [01:39] activelow "In 2000, Microsoft settled out-of-court for an undisclosed sum, which in 2009 was revealed to be 280 million dollars,[77][78][79][80] and the Caldera evidence was destroyed in 2003" [01:39] activelow caldera isn't AT&T isn't Unix isn't BSD... anyway. [01:40] activelow at least, it seems, PCC was a good compiler. [01:40] activelow and, PCC is GPL??? [01:41] activelow why then didn't GNU "endorse" PCC? [01:42] activelow and yes, now i remember, OpenBSD refrained from pushing PCC further too, although it is a first class candidate imo... because GPL??? [01:44] activelow now, they're excited about LLVM/Clang/Rust and related shitload? [01:46] activelow "SCO vs Linux"???? "SCO vs IBM Wintel" i would say. [01:50] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [01:50] kingoffrance what pcc you talking about activelow ? http://pcc.ludd.ltu.se/licenses/ [01:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pcc.ludd.ltu.se | licenses - pcc portable c compiler [01:51] kingoffrance The code has a variety of BSD-style licenses. [01:51] activelow kingoffrance: yes, this one, however i checked the license note inside the source bundle, where it says GPL [01:51] kingoffrance ah, i dunno :/ [01:51] activelow me neither. copyright holder is caldera/sco. and this is the question: did anybody try or could confirm if PCC can compile Linux Kernel? [01:52] kingoffrance there's a couple more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TenDRA_Compiler ack is ancient... [01:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | TenDRA Compiler - Wikipedia [01:53] kingoffrance but i never heard of anyone try to use them on kernel [01:53] kingoffrance or even userland really ;) [01:53] Ariadne i used to help maintain TenDRA in debian [01:53] kingoffrance tendra, bsd [01:53] kingoffrance i heard tendra was supposedly very good about "standards" [01:53] kingoffrance like ppl might use it like lint maybe? [01:54] kingoffrance i used to joke there was tcc (tendra) and tiny c and turbo c ...all tcc [01:55] kingoffrance *bsd-licensed [01:55] kingoffrance "At a point, most of the Alpha OSF/1 kernel could be built with TenDRA C and afterwards there was also a similar effort to port the FreeBSD kernel." wikipedia says that, but i dont remember [01:56] Ariadne TenDRA is largely obsolete ● Nov 26 [02:00] activelow pcc sources got BSD license banners too, with SCO/Caldera as copyright holder, some OpenBSD authors. [02:00] activelow my mistake, the GPL banner was autotools/configure related [02:00] activelow nonetheless, OpenBSD didn't proceed with pcc [02:01] activelow now they're excited about llvm/clang/rust [02:02] activelow long story short, my opinion, GCC is not good quality with both c and even worse c++, for the simple reason - if it is true, pcc was supposedly 5x-10x faster than gcc with c compilation [02:04] activelow c++ is awful, no need to keep llvm or gcc for that, which is why i am planning to kick that out, with gentoo tooling which allows to do it [02:08] activelow it is somewhat ironic, imo, that the industry lost interest in their own compiler from AT&T/Unix, and came up with what gcc and llvm are nowadays [02:11] activelow and i think it is true, Linux did contain *nix ideas and sources; however it was SCO vs IBM, and IBM is not Linux [02:12] activelow stumbled upon this, when i patched legacy Unix pty support back to live with my system here [02:12] activelow and maybe, don't know if i succeed with it, can fully remove both gcc and llvm, and keep pcc as system compiler *only* [02:13] activelow i don't care if it is eiter GPL or BSD or caldera being copyright holder. would it be an infringement of anyone's rights if i chose pcc compiler? 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TotalIn: 94 GB TotalOut: 30 GB [03:20] techrights-ipfs-bot New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled. [03:29] techrights-ipfs-bot QmWSgWCNaXdj4bqpVXJtFwGUpuJtUjJhMJNpvzpyfvb343 [03:29] techrights-ipfs-bot New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above. [03:31] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 16.91 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.61 swarm size (avg): 258.79 [03:34] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:37] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [03:48] activelow interesting, the auther of PCC, Johnson, worked on matlab too [03:49] activelow in principle, i refrain from closed source software [03:50] activelow shielding mathematics with closed source software libraries is corrupt beyond comrehension [03:52] activelow i think, given the fact i was studying at german telekom, i could have a word to say about this [03:53] activelow btw. RMS is a MIT associate, isn't he? the way i see it USA is corrupt, from east-coast MIT to the west caltech [03:54] activelow i mean Matlab closed source? maybe Bronstein should be rewritten in a secret language? and nor more translations into english be made? [03:54] activelow iirc, Bronstein was translated in Leipzig, my hometown, or better to say was. [03:55] activelow "Little Encyclopedia of Mathematics" ("little") is a a publication of University of Leipzig btw. [03:55] activelow maybe, this should have been sanctioned for export into USA? [03:56] activelow i am beginning to hate, tbh. [03:56] activelow remembering how much time was wasted by this corrupt shitload of crap made in USA [03:57] activelow don't care if if it s microsoft, or SCO, or IBM, they're all the same [03:59] activelow Matlab... proprietary, supported architectures IBM Wintel PC only. ● Nov 26 [04:01] activelow neat idea, maybe patent greek letter alphabet and deny microsoft using it? [04:03] activelow and this new "german" government, they "love linux" now. guess how this ends. [04:03] activelow bunch of corrupt criminals [04:04] activelow texas instruments and their calculator series, noteworthy story too [04:04] activelow if i had known, who they are, what they [04:04] activelow maybe, since when merkel retires soon, we can send her back onto the ranch of G.W.Bush... please keep her there [04:05] activelow i am truly beginning to hate [04:10] activelow matlab withdrawn from China? [04:10] activelow matlab doesn't belong into any german or european university either. [04:11] activelow last one i had seen, spyder-ide, was toxic too, sadly, fiddled google-chrome/webengine into [04:12] activelow anyway, this was the ide only, not necessary, otherwise i don't know how many and which quality math libraries with python are [04:13] activelow next, Matlab say it was their "property" some algorithms implemented? or is it the maths books? [04:13] activelow or is it permitted to import/export some sources? [04:14] activelow you know the tricks. same with electronics CAD, such as KiCad, which requires electronics parts definitions [04:14] activelow it is a mountain of crap and shit, which was hindering my doing my studies and work [04:15] activelow did i have to study law to work as telco engineer? which reminds me, still got the contract with telecom headquarters here. [04:15] activelow which alone, is reason enought to ignite something, for them. [04:15] activelow i hate them, with passion. [04:16] activelow and now, too i am beginning to understand, the surrounding polit cartell, and murderous corruption [04:17] activelow it is difficult, to distinguish, where the frontlines are [04:20] *m___ (~Adium@zpct666kw3iz6.irc) has joined #techrights [04:23] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:23] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@rr673vdhbzfzg.irc) has joined #techrights [04:31] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 16.36 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 55.08 swarm size (avg): 258.78 [04:39] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@5c84rj45gkqvi.irc) has joined #techrights [04:39] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [04:41] *m___ has quit (Quit: Leaving.) [04:44] DaemonFC https://www.kivitv.com/news/it-was-pretty-overdue-boise-library-book-returned-110-years-after-being-checked-out [04:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kivitv.com | Boise library book returned 110 year late [04:45] DaemonFC They have to explain what the paper slip system was. [04:46] DaemonFC I don't remember when they got rid of the card catalog. The computer system is much more annoying, but it frees up floor space. [04:52] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [04:55] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Nov 26 [05:06] *swaggboi has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [05:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [05:20] *swaggboi (~swaggboi@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi) has joined #techrights [05:28] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 18.35 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.56 swarm size (avg): 258.76 ● Nov 26 [06:06] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) [06:14] *altlink_c65 has quit (connection closed) [06:14] *altlink_811 (~altlink_811@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #techrights [06:24] activelow microsoft AARD... well, the misunderstanding is this: everyone does it one way or another [06:25] activelow then Novell began whining, and how did they say "we need to smile at novell while we pull the trigger" [06:25] activelow that's why, microsoft is the best thing ever to take revenge, as long as i do not need to use any of their products [06:26] activelow Deutsche Telekom is a good customer of them, as any other one of the big corporations. [06:28] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 18.93 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 36.96 swarm size (avg): 258.74 [06:36] activelow how did it end? Deutsche Telekom closed their universities, to my knowledge, maybe their distance-learning/online lecture exists still. [06:36] activelow anyway, i won't miss this. [06:38] activelow if microsoft drawes the demarcation lines for me, good. all i need to know is where the fence is, microsoft herding their customer cattle there. [06:39] activelow it is the cornerstorne of proof, anyone willing to accept matlab or ibm wintel PC, if microsoft keeps them away and makes them smile. [06:47] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:49] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [06:54] DaemonFC https://wgntv.com/news/biden-wishes-americans-happy-closer-to-normal-thanksgiving/ [06:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | Biden wishes Americans happy, closer-to-normal Thanksgiving | WGN-TV [06:54] DaemonFC "But this year, the president joined the millions of Americans who are celebrating the holiday with big groups of loved ones." [06:55] DaemonFC 105,000 cases, 1,500 dead on Wednesday. [06:55] DaemonFC 800,000+ dead total next time they update. [06:57] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@t25x9hgy9xhrc.irc) has joined #techrights [06:57] activelow "United States vs Microsoft"; one pentagon department farting into another pentagon one [06:58] activelow MCDonalds biggest customer of SCO-Unix... now they don't like the smell of their farts of what they had eaten ● Nov 26 [07:03] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@tz8pkw88v92yg.irc) has joined #techrights [07:03] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [07:08] activelow many gnu/linux and *BSD have a horrible track record of incompatibilities among them [07:09] activelow all in common these have, is the typical mindset of "made in USA" [07:10] activelow that's why, i do not follow the common argument of microsoft vs. this and them, because, most of them are the same type of breed [07:11] activelow Java (sun, ibm, oracle, sap) isn't any better than m$ .Net [07:12] activelow that's why, if oracle and sap hack and slay each other, dumped java s*** the toilet years ago [07:14] activelow i am almost certain, microsoft is standing nearby already, prepared to pull the trigger and smile again [07:15] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [07:15] activelow sadly, microsoft didn't succeed with it yet, because, this had spared me almost 5 years of hard work to catch up with the "innovations" of oracle and sun and alike [07:17] activelow worked with various db systems many years... then apply for some job, however it doesn't mention a particular vendor to please HR department of theirs [07:17] activelow got oracle dbms and ms sqlserver on my record, just because it was common for telco staff to know this. [07:18] activelow good luck when applying for some job which asks for any IBM dbms [07:18] activelow missed any of their innovative scripting language or whatever, which requires a day or two of reading, this doesn't please HR departments [07:18] activelow most job vacancies are vendor advertisements [07:19] activelow somehow, i am praying for microsoft cuts them a smile into their smirking visages [07:24] techrights-news #Techrights Bulletin for Thursday, November 25, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [07:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [07:24] techrights-news #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [07:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [07:25] activelow the next best business prospect for microsoft: operation of global telco backbone [07:26] activelow ideally, with NetBIOS protocol of theirs [07:27] activelow and some AARD tapping, to shut down GPS globally whenever a non-certifid phone dials into [07:27] activelow few days ago, i briefly reviewd some GPS related things for time synchronization, i think USA prepared well for this [07:29] techrights-news NEWS #EFF Coalition Against #Stalkerware Celebrates Two Years of Work to Keep Technology Safe for All https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/11/coalition-against-stalkerware-celebrates-two-years-work-keep-technology-safe-all [07:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Coalition Against Stalkerware Celebrates Two Years of Work to Keep Technology Safe for All | Electronic Frontier Foundation [07:29] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 16.83 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.60 swarm size (avg): 258.73 [07:30] techrights-news NEWS #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux Celebrating the community: Cian https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/community-stories-cian-google-apprenticeship/ [07:30] -altlink_811/#techrights- Cloudflare: raspberrypi.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/community-stories-cian-google-apprenticeship/ [07:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Celebrating the community: Cian - Raspberry Pi [07:30] activelow btw. i loved the many telco standard documents, written with Microsoft word... sure. microsoft loves telco business. [07:30] activelow this was fun, really, when sitting at a desk of t-mobile in austria, and their microsoft word crashing once a day [07:30] schestowitz-TR lol [07:31] schestowitz-TR with powerpoint presentations [07:31] activelow awesome, some more jokes to tell about this [07:31] activelow i'll skip those [07:31] schestowitz https://www.sec.gov/edgar/browse/?CIK=789019&owner=exclude [07:31] -altlink_811/#techrights- Cloudflare: sec.gov | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.sec.gov/edgar/browse/?CIK=789019&owner=exclude [07:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sec.gov | EDGAR Entity Landing Page [07:33] techrights-news #sec #microsoft https://www.sec.gov/edgar/browse/?CIK=789019&owner=exclude see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_-_Financials [07:33] -altlink_811/#techrights- Cloudflare: sec.gov | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.sec.gov/edgar/browse/?CIK=789019&owner=exclude [07:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft - Financials - Techrights [07:33] techrights-news NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights Filmmakers Want ISP to Share Personal Info of Thousands of Sharers https://torrentfreak.com/filmmakers-want-isp-to-share-personal-info-of-thousands-of-pirates-211125/ [07:33] -altlink_811/#techrights- Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/filmmakers-want-isp-to-share-personal-info-of-thousands-of-pirates-211125/ [07:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Filmmakers Want ISP to Share Personal Info of Thousands of Pirates * TorrentFreak [07:33] techrights-news NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights Online #FileSharing Increases Among Young Finns, But Legal Consumption is Up Too https://torrentfreak.com/online-piracy-increases-among-young-finns-but-legal-consumption-is-up-too-211125/ [07:33] -altlink_811/#techrights- Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/online-piracy-increases-among-young-finns-but-legal-consumption-is-up-too-211125/ [07:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Online Piracy Increases Among Young Finns, But Legal Consumption is Up Too * TorrentFreak [07:37] techrights-news #13 Best Dark GTK Themes for Your Linux Desktop Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158395 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [07:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 13 Best Dark GTK Themes for Your Linux Desktop | Tux Machines [07:48] techrights-news Endless OS 4 makes the jump to Debian 11 Deepin 20.3 is the new version of the most popular Chinese distro on the scene and as it has been [07:49] techrights-news #MX Linux 21 AHS Is Now Available: What Is AHS? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158396 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [07:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | MX Linux 21 AHS Is Now Available: What Is AHS? | Tux Machines [07:50] techrights-news #EndlessOS 4 makes the jump to Debian 11 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158350#comment-31878 [07:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Endless OS 4.0 Released as Long-Term Supported Series, Based on Debian Bullseye | Tux Machines [07:50] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158397 #Linux #TuxMachines [07:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [07:51] techrights-news Deepin 20.3 Update Available to Download http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158283#comment-31879 [07:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Deepin Linux 20.3 Is Out as One of the First Distros Powered by Linux Kernel 5.15 LTS | Tux Machines [07:52] techrights-news #Slackware 15.0 RC2 Available to Download http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158085#comment-31880 [07:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Slackware Linux 15.0 RC2: Current (pre-release) ChangeLog for x86_64 | Tux Machines ● Nov 26 [08:05] techrights-news #IRC Proceedings: Thursday, November 25, 2021 Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/11/26/irc-log-251121/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/11/26/irc-log-251121/ [08:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Thursday, November 25, 2021 | Techrights [08:07] techrights-news "I've been working on a Gemini server framework for #Haskell ." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007635.html [08:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | Debugging Help [08:16] techrights-news #covid19 vaccines not curbing the #pandemic h Time for the #patent pool to start hyping up more "variants" as an excuse (all organisms mutate, humans includes). #patents and #monopoliies DISCOURAGE the making of BETTER vaccine. [08:17] techrights-news 10 holiday gift ideas for open source enthusiasts Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158398 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [08:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 10 holiday gift ideas for open source enthusiasts | Tux Machines [08:19] techrights-news NEWS #CommonDreams 130+ Global Groups Demand #WTO Postpone Meeting Until Vital #Patent Waiver Is Adopted https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/11/25/130-global-groups-demand-wto-postpone-meeting-until-vital-patent-waiver-adopted the #patents and these #monopolies OBSTRUCT development of BETTER vaccines that can SOLVE the issue [08:19] -altlink_811/#techrights- Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/11/25/130-global-groups-demand-wto-postpone-meeting-until-vital-patent-waiver-adopted [08:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 130+ Global Groups Demand WTO Postpone Meeting Until Vital Patent Waiver Is Adopted [08:20] techrights-news NEWS #CommonDreams #patent #patents #monopolies Human Rights Defenders Threaten Legal Action Against Countries Fueling #Vaccine Inequality https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/11/25/human-rights-defenders-threaten-legal-action-against-countries-fueling-vaccine [08:20] -altlink_811/#techrights- Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/11/25/human-rights-defenders-threaten-legal-action-against-countries-fueling-vaccine [08:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Human Rights Defenders Threaten Legal Action Against Countries Fueling Vaccine Inequality [08:27] techrights-news #ibm #redhat : OUR TOP PARTNER... #microsoft https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-honors-apac-partners-supporting-customers-their-digital-transformation-open-source-innovation stay away from IBM-controlled Red Hat. [08:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | Red Hat honors APAC partners for supporting customers in their digital transformation with open source innovation [08:28] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 18.36 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 6.01 swarm size (avg): 258.72 [08:28] techrights-news #ibm #redhat does NOT work you YOU or for the community. It works for IBM. [08:30] techrights-news #Whonix 16.0.3.7 - for VirtualBox - Point Release! https://forums.whonix.org/t/whonix-16-0-3-7-for-virtualbox-point-release/12893 #gnu #linux [08:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.whonix.org | Whonix 16.0.3.7 - for VirtualBox - Point Release! - News - Whonix Forum [08:31] techrights-news #Snal 1.11, a #gnu #linux distro, has been released https://sourceforge.net/projects/snallinux/files/ [08:31] -altlink_811/#techrights- Cloudflare: sourceforge.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://sourceforge.net/projects/snallinux/files/ [08:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Snal Linux - Browse Files at SourceForge.net [08:32] techrights-news IoThing Digital IO board handles up to 300V for Arduino, #RaspberryPi , and various other boards (Crowdfunding) - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/11/26/iothing-digital-300v-io-board-works-with-arduino-raspberry-pi-mikrobus/ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware [08:32] -altlink_811/#techrights- Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/11/26/iothing-digital-300v-io-board-works-with-arduino-raspberry-pi-mikrobus/ [08:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | IoThing Digital IO board handles up to 300V for Arduino, Raspberry Pi, and various other boards (Crowdfunding) - CNX Software [08:32] techrights-news #DOSBox Basics on #GNU #Linux - CubicleNates Techpad https://cubiclenate.com/2021/11/25/dosbox-basics-on-linux/ #cubiclenate [08:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DOSBox Basics on Linux CubicleNate's Techpad [08:35] techrights-news #OSMC s November update is here with Kodi 19.3 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158399 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [08:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OSMC's November update is here with Kodi 19.3 | Tux Machines [08:36] techrights-news #mintCast 374.5 - 'Smart' Phones - https://mintcast.org/2021/11/26/374-5-smart-phones/ [08:36] -altlink_811/#techrights- Cloudflare: mintcast.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://mintcast.org/2021/11/26/374-5-smart-phones/ [08:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mintcast.org | 374.5 Smart Phones mintCast [08:38] techrights-news "Kubernetes v1.22, released in August 2021, introduced a new alpha feature that improves how Linux nodes implement memory resource requests and limits." https://kubernetes.io/blog/2021/11/26/qos-memory-resources/ #Kubernetes [08:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kubernetes.io | Quality-of-Service for Memory Resources | Kubernetes [08:39] techrights-news #Clonezilla Live 2.8 Disk Cloning/Imaging Tool Released with Linux Kernel 5.14, More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158400 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [08:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Clonezilla Live 2.8 Disk Cloning/Imaging Tool Released with Linux Kernel 5.14, More | Tux Machines [08:44] activelow anyway, SCO is *not* AT&T [08:44] activelow so, who and what were they? [08:45] activelow because, the author of PCC isn't SCO/caldera, it were Johnson, Ritchi, among many others [08:47] techrights-news #Fedora Community Blog: F35 Elections voting now open! Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158401 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [08:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora Community Blog: F35 Elections voting now open! | Tux Machines [08:47] techrights-news NEWS #TruthOut #patent #patents #monopolies 130 Social Justice Groups Are Calling on #WTO to Adopt Patent Waiver https://truthout.org/articles/130-social-justice-groups-are-calling-on-wto-to-adopt-patent-waiver/ [08:47] -altlink_811/#techrights- Cloudflare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/130-social-justice-groups-are-calling-on-wto-to-adopt-patent-waiver/ [08:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | 130 Social Justice Groups Are Calling on WTO to Adopt Patent Waiver [08:55] techrights-news #ibm and #redhat still milking #covid19 for #marketing https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/11/change-management-how-build-resilience-your-processes [08:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | Change management: How to build resilience into your processes | The Enterprisers Project [08:56] techrights-news Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158402 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [08:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple | Tux Machines [08:57] techrights-news Normalize web services with Camel K and AtlasMap, Part 2 | Red Hat Developer https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2021/11/26/normalize-web-services-camel-k-and-atlasmap-part-2 [08:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.redhat.com | Normalize web services with Camel K and AtlasMap, Part 2 | Red Hat Developer [08:59] techrights-news #Espressif introduces ESP32-S3-BOX AI development kit for online and offline voice applications - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/11/26/esp32-s3-box-ai-development-kit-fonline-and-offline-voice-assistants/ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftware [08:59] -altlink_811/#techrights- Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/11/26/esp32-s3-box-ai-development-kit-fonline-and-offline-voice-assistants/ [08:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Espressif introduces ESP32-S3-BOX AI development kit for online and offline voice applications - CNX Software ● Nov 26 [09:00] techrights-news Fifty Shades Of Brown: 3D Printing With Sugar | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2021/11/25/fifty-shades-of-brown-3d-printing-with-sugar/ #hackaday | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/11/26/#latest [09:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fifty Shades Of Brown: 3D Printing With Sugar | Hackaday [09:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [09:00] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158403 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [09:06] techrights-news TUXEDO #InfinityBook S 17 Linux Laptop Unveiled with 11th Gen Tiger Lake CPUs, Compact Design Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158404 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | TUXEDO InfinityBook S 17 Linux Laptop Unveiled with 11th Gen Tiger Lake CPUs, Compact Design | Tux Machines [09:09] techrights-news The Joint Parliamentary Committee on the Personal #DataProtection Bill, 2019 has adopted its final report. What now? #SaveOurPrivacy https://internetfreedom.in/the-joint-parliamentary-committee-on-the-personal-data-protection-bill-2019-has-adopted-its-final-report-what-now/ #internetfreedom #privacy [09:09] -altlink_811/#techrights- Cloudflare: internetfreedom.in | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://internetfreedom.in/the-joint-parliamentary-committee-on-the-personal-data-protection-bill-2019-has-adopted-its-final-report-what-now/ [09:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-internetfreedom.in | The Joint Parliamentary Committee on the Personal Data Protection Bill, 2019 has adopted its final report. What now? #SaveOurPrivacy [09:09] techrights-news #IBM / #RedHat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158405 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines [09:11] techrights-news #IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, November 24, 2021 Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/11/26/irc-log-241121/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/11/26/irc-log-241121/ [09:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, November 24, 2021 | Techrights [09:12] techrights-news Bring A Minitel Terminal Back To Life WIth An ESP32 | Hackaday https://hackaday.com/2021/11/25/bring-a-minitel-terminal-back-to-life-with-an-esp32/ #hackaday | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/11/26/#latest [09:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bring A Minitel Terminal Back To Life WIth An ESP32 | Hackaday [09:26] techrights-news #OpenHardware /Modding: ESP32, 3D Printing, and Raspberry Pi Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158406 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware/Modding: ESP32, 3D Printing, and Raspberry Pi | Tux Machines [09:26] techrights-news #GNULinux for Games: #FUTEX2 and DOSBox Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158407 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU/Linux for Games: FUTEX2 and DOSBox | Tux Machines [09:28] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 17.83 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 18.83 swarm size (avg): 258.71 [09:34] techrights-news Links 26/11/2021: F35 Elections, #Whonix 16.0.3.7, OSMCs November Refresh With #Kodi 19.3 Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/11/26/whonix-16-0-3-7/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/11/26/whonix-16-0-3-7/ [09:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 26/11/2021: F35 Elections, Whonix 16.0.3.7, OSMCs November Refresh With Kodi 19.3 | Techrights [09:35] techrights-news Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158408 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [09:47] *m___ (~Adium@zpct666kw3iz6.irc) has joined #techrights [09:52] activelow interesting, "canopy group", invested into rarely any known project, except: caldera/sco and trolltech [09:53] activelow trolltech/nokia/telco ... [09:54] activelow all i know and remember is this: Deutsche Telekom University [09:55] activelow the telco realm (itu-t, different protocols) is distinct from the internet one [09:55] activelow and, most of what i am confronted with on gnu/linux rarely ever interesects with the highly critical lectures of telco [09:56] activelow that's why, i find it confusing, how important some foss people think they were [09:56] activelow my opinion, which i enjoy the freedom to express: real engineering and science, there is a lot more to it than what most hackers and programmers comprehend [09:57] activelow i suspect, the maths and engineering lecturs are somewhat coordianted, internationally [09:58] activelow one of the most important ones: signal processing (analog, mathematics), which MIT lectures too ● Nov 26 [10:00] activelow encoding and modulation schemes, this is anything but trivial [10:00] activelow maybe, that's why there isn't any foss WiFi chip anywhere, to my knowledge? [10:01] *m___ has quit (Quit: Leaving.) [10:01] activelow i must admit, although in the beginning following maths lectures wasn't problematic for me [10:01] activelow then, i made a mistake: which was thinking "ok, i could follow maths in the last 15years, however the unix/linux stuff is confusing me. what th.. is this?" [10:02] activelow so, instead of sticking to my maths book, i was impressed of what i didn't know yet: programming, java, databases... and this required too much attention [10:02] activelow then, back to digital circuit design, asm, analog electronics, signal processing ... that was too much, in 3 years [10:03] activelow granted, i am impressed about java and programmers who invest their entire live, i did read the java book in less than a week, and memorized it [10:04] activelow then, back to some borland c++ ide and program some bubblesort? this type of chaotic schedule triggered psychosis. [10:05] activelow best part of it is, seems, deutsche telekom in fact treats such students as their "property" [10:06] activelow the patent quackery surrounding wifi chips and whatever, this is nonsense. what's required is educated staff. engineers which require *decades* of training since their childhood [10:07] activelow and, most of them are rarely ever "privileged cis white male" [10:09] *alextee (~alextee@49t98wazbw5y8.irc) has joined #techrights [10:09] activelow anyway, recent "news" were Deutsche Telekom plans to outsource the remaining 3% of t-systems (operator of SDH synchronous circuit switched global backbone, if this wasn't "improved upon" too) [10:10] activelow or, to put it another way, the real heart and core of telco, t-systems, doesn't account for more than 3% of total cash flow of telecom [10:11] activelow now they're in trouble i think, because t-systems got some customers: german military, radar, signal intelligence, ESA aerospace [10:12] activelow the east-german telekom university had a different tradition than the AT&T western "bell labs", and most equipment available after 1990 was the typical [10:13] activelow matlab, wintel, various proprietary signal stuff, scopes, tectronix multi protocol boxes routing and switching all types stuff [10:14] activelow thanks lord, i quit with this early: the tectronix magic, some wintel system, and they were desperate to hire c++ coders, 20 years ago already [10:20] activelow my opinion, in the early days of "telco", no coordination and planning existed, to interconnect the early telephone lines [10:21] activelow anyone who wished to do so, did a private investment and pulled a cable to any neighbor [10:21] activelow there is photos of this, hundred years ago... USA, until when they realized some AT&T company was required, to coordinate this [10:22] activelow nowadays, the situation seems to be, this type of unmanaged chaos is common practice almost everywhere with anything [10:22] activelow that's why, BGP routing table size explodes [10:22] activelow that's why linux kernel, compiler, and anything blows up [10:24] activelow that's why dozens of incompatible distros, programming langauges, incompatible SQL databases [10:25] activelow GCC/FSF were troubled by this too, i think, initially, when they rejected many "improvements" to their compiler suite [10:26] activelow then gcc was forked, and those who presented their "improvements" with millions of lines of code, it is them and their mindset now in charge [10:27] activelow intel wanted to see MMX extensions, proprietary, non-standard, to boast about their "superior" simd extensions, it went in [10:29] activelow awesome, GNU hearded by IBM Wintel instead of competent and independent university staff [10:30] activelow "academic freedom" [10:30] activelow because, an independent university could have said: IBM Wintel, gtfo, exam failed, we don't want your compiler "improvements" [10:31] activelow btw. IBM Wintel, you forgot about your signal processing lecture and maths [10:31] activelow instead, for at least two decades now, this type of business reinvents the wheel, with absolute zero innovation anywhere [10:33] activelow my opinion: the techical quality of software and hardware declined, dramatically. what improved only, and this is important too, of cause, is economic capitalization, for ordinary customers, everyone can afford a mainframe scale computer system nowadays. [10:33] activelow which too is the explanation, early *nix hackers, those were skilled academics, and rarely anyone else had access to some mainframe [10:34] activelow any fool, who "invested" into any of the nvidia, wintel, ibm stocks... guest what this type of "management" favors [10:34] activelow that's why, Telekom, invests into "magenta TV", netflix, and similar nonsense [10:40] techrights-news X4: Tides of Avarice expansion coming early 2022, plus AMD FSR https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/11/x4-tides-of-avarice-expansion-coming-early-2022-plus-amd-fsr/ [10:40] -altlink_811/#techrights- Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/11/x4-tides-of-avarice-expansion-coming-early-2022-plus-amd-fsr/ [10:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-X4: Tides of Avarice expansion coming early 2022, plus AMD FSR | GamingOnLinux [10:41] techrights-news #Cutefish OS Review - Impressive Linux Distribution in the Making Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158409 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [10:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Cutefish OS Review - Impressive Linux Distribution in the Making | Tux Machines [10:43] activelow anyway, i am not saying a global synchronous circtuit switched ultra-low-latency backbone network is necessary [10:43] activelow nonetheless, at least, i think, everyone should know such existed: it's called SONET or SDH [10:43] techrights-news "Continuing to buck the trend here, itch always does things a bit differently. They have an open revenue sharing model, where by default itch only takes a 10% cut but developers can set it to whatever they want even zero." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/11/creator-day-is-live-on-itchio-giving-100-to-developers/ [10:43] -altlink_811/#techrights- Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/11/creator-day-is-live-on-itchio-giving-100-to-developers/ [10:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Creator Day is live on itch.io giving 100% to developers | GamingOnLinux [10:44] activelow the telco people try to organize their thinking with the "OSI model", 7 layers of networking [10:45] activelow i find the "lowest" layer, layer1, being among the most fascinating, with both mathematics and physics [10:46] activelow there you'll find the typical fourier/laplace/lagrange maths related, encodign and modulation schemes, to name things such as QPSK, Trellis [10:47] activelow btw. 56k modems are still relevant, as are hayes300 modems, for educational purpose; suspect most patents are expired; this isn't the challenge anymore [10:48] activelow maybe, standards are more relevant, than patents [10:49] activelow however, if you had seen the chaos... i mean, even if telekom paid me 10k cash monthly, which they won't, i wouldn't do it [10:50] activelow and, furthermore, i doubt there is rarely any capable staff remaining, who could keep oversight, for management [10:50] activelow because, this requires decades of education [10:50] activelow furthermore, if lawyers think they could arrange for telco management, i am out [10:53] activelow same with politicians, and their management [10:57] activelow and the arrogance, to think political quackery and lawsuits could compensate for decades of maths and engineering know-how ● Nov 26 [11:00] activelow anyway, i knew already, 20 years ago, if the lecture schedule be telekom, if this originated in telekom headquarter, politics, wherever [11:01] activelow i remember all of it... and so far, my prognosis were correct, doesn't require the perception of a genius [11:02] activelow now, listen, this is my prognosis: the internet, it will collapse, not instantly, with a prolonged decline [11:04] activelow IPv6? it won't fix the address shortage issue, because this wasn't the most urgent one anyway, it is the BGP routing tables, unmanaged global backbone topology [11:04] activelow costs will explode [11:04] activelow somehow, this isn't a prognosis anymore [11:07] activelow the pcc/gcc thought, it's a minor side joke of it [11:07] techrights-news 4 unexpected ways to use #Ansible | Enable Sysadmin https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/unexpected-ways-use-ansible #RedHat #IBM #GNU #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/11/26/#latest [11:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com | 4 unexpected ways to use Ansible | Enable Sysadmin [11:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [11:24] *m___ (~Adium@zpct666kw3iz6.irc) has joined #techrights [11:27] activelow cannot believe this: British Telecom shuts down SDH (bellcore) [11:28] activelow german telekom plans to outsource their t-systems section, because, it's only 3% of total cash flow? [11:28] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 13.43 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.76 swarm size (avg): 258.69 [11:29] activelow ok, maybe Cisco operates an independent global backbone, based on IP routing protocols? i do not know. [11:30] activelow anyway, if voice-call POTS is fully migrated onto "all internet protocol" (all IP) [11:30] activelow imagine this, if BGP routers blow up, what happens then? [11:31] activelow reminder, some other news were, "emergency call" system outages in germany. don't know if this was scheduled maintenance. [11:31] activelow but it was several hours, during the night, nation-wide. [11:31] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [11:34] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@t25x9hgy9xhrc.irc) has joined #techrights [11:36] activelow another difference of Telko networks to "the internet": telko backbone was *managed* [11:37] activelow however, some fools decided, "privatization of telecom" to benefit shareholders, to gamble with telko backbone [11:37] activelow both, EU and USA did it. [11:38] activelow serious question, had 1k salary monthly for me been too much asked for? [11:44] activelow when some western management staff arrived, at the university, some held lectures: "input output, this university costs cash, blah" [11:45] activelow my thinking: f** y** a**hole, closed it and work for yourself [11:45] activelow ok, competition, it was ignited, and who would be willing to explain now, why BT shuts down SDH? or what caused emergency call system outages in germany? [11:49] *includeals_ (~includeal@a94-132-138-99.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #techrights [11:51] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [11:56] *includeals has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [11:56] *includeals_ is now known as includeals ● Nov 26 [12:00] activelow SCO/Caldera, Trolltech, Canopy Group, Utah, Texas... AT&T headquarted in, Texas [12:02] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158410 #Linux #TuxMachines [12:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [12:03] activelow well, Trolltec is Nokia, is Telco again [12:03] activelow btw. Motorola/68k is/was some telco-related business too [12:03] activelow although, i do not know where the famous bell labs were [12:04] activelow apropos Google, they didn't want to touch Motorola for too long iirc [12:06] activelow Texas Instruments, uhm Texas, ditched their 68k series, and introduced some ARM based calculators now [12:06] activelow shake hands with the brits, anyway, british telecom shut down SDH bellcore? [12:06] activelow does anyone of those managers know what they're doing? [12:08] activelow ok, i mean, let's sell this (ARM) to Nvidia, a gaming company, and bitcoin expert, no better to hand over critical infrastructure to. [12:09] activelow what a retarded nonsense. btw. i remember german tv broadcasted bitcoin prayers prime time, because it benefit women in Argentina, because, women's rights to grab some screwdriver and plug into an invidia card [12:10] *m___ has quit (Quit: Leaving.) [12:16] *altlink_811 has quit (connection closed) [12:16] *altlink_406 (~altlink_406@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #techrights [12:19] techrights-news #KiwiTCMS 10.5 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158411 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [12:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kiwi TCMS 10.5 | Tux Machines [12:21] activelow anyway, this is what i think, about Linux. What's linux, is the kernel, and torvalds among others are, competent. end of dicussion. [12:21] activelow linux kernel, was leading ahead. [12:22] activelow alltogether, OpenBSD, i keep that on my radar. [12:23] activelow however, this software/operating-system stuff, it's only a fraction of the issues to think about. [12:23] activelow currently, none of the linux distros, i consider none of them as long-term reliable, not at least solaris, none of it. [12:23] activelow unreliable [12:25] psydruid What is wrong with Solaris and why was it used in Telecom for such a long time, if it's unreliable? [12:33] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:35] techrights-news Wasted 3-4 hours debugging since last night... due to some stupid stupid stupid invisible character creeping in. I spent ages sanitising the inputs too, but this one was barely detectable to anything... [12:50] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [12:59] activelow psydruid: didn't say unreliable, i said long-term reliable ● Nov 26 [13:00] activelow along my way of thinking, it is this, i had alot more to worry about than most of the usual problems the GNU and BSD and Unix people have [13:00] activelow even microsoft or IBM, they're small fishes, from my perspective [13:01] activelow Zilog Z80, that's a big fish, not IBM [13:01] activelow think about it, space shuttle operation, is planed and scheduled for 40 years of operation [13:02] activelow telco backbone, i mean, how long should this operate? motorola sold to ibm sold to google and then you're out of luck? [13:02] activelow is this coincidence, BT shut down SDH? [13:03] activelow Sun microsystems? defunct. oracle? do you really believe i would consider some proprietary monstrosity such as this? [13:03] activelow ok, Deutsche Telekom did. wish them best of luck [13:15] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:17] techrights-news Apt vs Apt-get Commands Explained: Which One To Use? https://www.ubuntupit.com/apt-vs-apt-get-commands-explained-and-which-one-to-use/ #UbuntuPIT #GNU #Linux [13:17] -altlink_406/#techrights- Cloudflare: ubuntupit.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ubuntupit.com/apt-vs-apt-get-commands-explained-and-which-one-to-use/ [13:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ubuntupit.com | Apt vs Apt-get Commands Explained: Which One To Use? [13:18] techrights-news Sigh. More #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware plugs from #phoronix today... [13:19] techrights-news #freesw re-implementation of Caesar III, Augustus v3.1 is out | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/11/open-source-re-implementation-of-caesar-iii-augustus-v31-is-out/ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games [13:19] -altlink_406/#techrights- Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/11/open-source-re-implementation-of-caesar-iii-augustus-v31-is-out/ [13:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Open source re-implementation of Caesar III, Augustus v3.1 is out | GamingOnLinux [13:21] techrights-news #Capcom on #archlinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/11/capcom-shows-off-official-video-of-devil-may-cry-5-steam-deck/ #gnu #linux [13:21] -altlink_406/#techrights- Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/11/capcom-shows-off-official-video-of-devil-may-cry-5-steam-deck/ [13:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Capcom shows off official video of Devil May Cry 5 on the Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux [13:28] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@bng5e5j52rvhw.irc) has joined #techrights [13:29] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:30] activelow the entire industry, "progressed" too fast, at the expense of long-term reliable operation [13:42] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@cqggrmwgu7gji.irc) has joined #techrights [13:49] blitzed !COFFEE ● Nov 26 [14:00] *lockeanarchist (~lockeanar@user/lockeanarchist) has joined #techrights [14:00] *lockeanarchist (~lockeanarchist@dbx7zd6rdshfe.irc) has joined #techrights [14:02] techrights-news #Games: X4: Tides of Avarice, Devil May Cry 5, Caesar III Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158412 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: X4: Tides of Avarice, Devil May Cry 5, Caesar III | Tux Machines ● Nov 26 [15:01] *CrystalMath (~coderain@w296d58h7tuk2.irc) has joined #techrights [15:05] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #techrights [15:09] techrights-news "Developers usually think of timezones, but European summertime changes can be easily overlooked. I have to admit I overlooked them when parsing dates with DateTime.from_naive!/2." https://nts.strzibny.name/datetime-summer-time/ [15:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nts.strzibny.name | Summer and winter time changes with DateTime [15:11] techrights-news Tuxedo releases the Tiger Lake-H-powered InfinityBook S17 - Gen6, its smallest 17-inch Linux laptop yet - NotebookCheck.net News http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158404#comment-31883 [15:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | TUXEDO InfinityBook S 17 Linux Laptop Unveiled with 11th Gen Tiger Lake CPUs, Compact Design | Tux Machines [15:12] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158413 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [15:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [15:13] techrights-news Why PHP Is Getting a Foundation and Why That Matters - FOSS Force https://fossforce.com/2021/11/why-php-is-getting-a-foundation-and-why-it-matters/ #fossforce | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/11/26/#latest [15:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Why PHP Is Getting a Foundation and Why That Matters - FOSS Force [15:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [15:15] techrights-news #Bitrot resistance of next-generation #image formats https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/bitrot-avif-jxl-comparison.html #ctrl | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/11/26/#latest [15:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ctrl.blog | Bitrot resistance of next-generation image formats [15:17] psydruid I think playing videos on the framebuffer on the Orange Pi works better than under X [15:24] schestowitz-TR fb? [15:24] schestowitz-TR direct? [15:26] psydruid yes [15:26] psydruid using ffplay [15:27] psydruid it uses libdrm, though [15:27] psydruid in Debian [15:27] SomeH4x0r what is wrong with libdrm? [15:28] psydruid nothing [15:28] psydruid I think it manages to use acceleration that way [15:29] psydruid I don't think it did the previous time I tried 2 years ago [15:29] psydruid now playback is smooth with 60%-80% CPU usage [15:31] psydruid hmm, it has just lost sound [15:34] psydruid and also the keyboard [15:55] psydruid and then it crashed and rebooted ● Nov 26 [16:00] *AdmFubar1 (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [16:10] techrights-news Git, curl, systemd Roll with Tumbleweed Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158414 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Git, curl, systemd Roll with Tumbleweed | Tux Machines [16:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [16:10] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 17.63 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 6.10 swarm size (avg): 258.67 [16:10] techrights-news #Thunderbird & no email associated to perform action error Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158415 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Thunderbird & no email associated to perform action error | Tux Machines [16:13] techrights-news Apt vs Apt-get Commands Explained: Which One To Use? 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I'm learning all the commands now, reminds me of #systemd [17:28] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.55 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 20.80 swarm size (avg): 258.65 [17:31] techrights-news #gnu #linux user 2000: it's easy, you just run the binary. #ibm #redhat : no, no... we've "improved" things. Now it's /usr/bin/flatpak run --branch=stable --arch=x86_64 --command=librewolf --file-forwarding io.gitlab.librewolf-community [17:39] techrights-news #ibm #redhat does not care about X forwarding and many people who rely on it. This goes beyond the #wayland shotgun wedding. [17:57] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) ● Nov 26 [18:01] techrights-news #EuroLinux 8.5 is out. https://en.euro-linux.com/eurolinux/ #rhel #gnu #linux [18:01] -altlink_406/#techrights- Cloudflare: euro-linux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://en.euro-linux.com/eurolinux/ [18:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.euro-linux.com | EuroLinux professional, enterprise-class system | EuroLinux [18:02] techrights-news Linux overview | #deepinLinux 20.3 - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=6w0rcPc8gF0 #video #invidious #gnu #linux [18:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yewtu.be | Linux overview | deepin 20.3 - Invidious [18:09] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:09] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:12] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [18:13] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [18:14] *altlink_406 has quit (connection closed) [18:14] *altlink_591 (~altlink_591@2f7u5j6f87p9g.irc) has joined #techrights [18:16] *SomeH4x0r has quit (connection closed) [18:16] *SomeH4xx (~someh4xx@2tpksdntkcn7a.irc) has joined #techrights [18:19] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@zgk86ipra9utw.irc) has joined #techrights [18:19] *SomeH4xx is now known as SomeH4x0r [18:19] DaemonFC This Rob Landley guy couldn't get better wth a side of fries. [18:20] DaemonFC I hadn't noticed how anti-GPL and anti-FSF he was. [18:21] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:21] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [18:21] DaemonFC And our friend GAFAM appears to be anti-suckless? [18:22] DaemonFC I haven't tried it. Although I do generally despise programs that try to branch out in all directions and do all sorts of things. [18:23] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:23] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:24] DaemonFC http://freshmeat.sourceforge.net/articles/stop-the-autoconf-insanity-why-we-need-a-new-build-system [18:24] -altlink_591/#techrights- Cloudflare: sourceforge.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/http://freshmeat.sourceforge.net/articles/stop-the-autoconf-insanity-why-we-need-a-new-build-system [18:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freshmeat.sourceforge.net | Stop the autoconf insanity! Why we need a new build system. Freecode [18:24] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [18:24] DaemonFC It's boundless, really. [18:25] DaemonFC It performs tests to see if it runs on UNIX systems that have not been maintained in over twenty years in the latest version. [18:26] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [18:26] DaemonFC Those old systems got most stuff right anyway. [18:26] DaemonFC Now Red Hat/IBM reinvents the wheel simply to use more RAM and add eye candy and dependencies on OpenGL. [18:27] DaemonFC I've been playing around with some of the smaller window managers including some that remind me of CDE. [18:29] DaemonFC When I got into using Compiz on GNOME 2, I liked my desktop just fine. Compiz was never really that unstable until Canonical "sponsored it" and rewrote a bunch of the core and modules in C++. [18:29] DaemonFC Then it was crashing all the time. [18:30] DaemonFC Shuttleworth with his sour grapes speech glossed over how truly awful Compiz 0.9.x and early Unity were. [18:31] DaemonFC I feel like it would have been more of a success if they held back for one more LTS round and included it in 12.10 as a tech preview. [18:32] DaemonFC It turned out it has all sorts of bugs, especially Compiz, that just didn't become apparent until you started throwing all sorts of kinds of graphics cards at it. [18:32] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:33] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:33] DaemonFC My understanding is someone forked Unity and it works fine now. [18:33] DaemonFC They're even shipping Nemo file manager instead of Nautilus. [18:34] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [18:34] DaemonFC There's a lot of opinions out there about the new Nautilus. Some like the simplicity and some don't like not having those features removed, but that's pretty cool, that Nemo is out there. [18:34] DaemonFC I don't use it, but anyone who wants to can. It can even be jury rigged to replace Nautilus in GNOME. [18:35] DaemonFC *don't like having those features removed [18:35] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [18:35] DaemonFC I guess it all boils down to what people consider UI bloat. [18:35] DaemonFC If I'm just trying to get at my files, anything that comes up that doesn't further that goal is bloat. [18:35] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I plan to continue mocking Edge for a while. [18:36] DaemonFC In addition to the MS Office spam that you can't remove from the right-click menu, now it encourages overspending at almost every merchant site because those pay in installment plans are giving Microsoft a cut if you sign up to overspend. [18:37] DaemonFC There's no actual ad banner in the web browser's UI yet (unless you count the new tab page). [18:37] DaemonFC Why are people angry about clean web browsers that don't do this? [18:38] DaemonFC I'm annoyed when I click a text field and I've got some stupid contraption going "Let me remember your credit card!". [18:42] DaemonFC All these things loosening you up to spend more. [18:42] DaemonFC I don't like things that make it easier to lose track of spending. [18:43] DaemonFC This pay in installments thing that Edge does is evil shit, because it will appeal to people who have negative net assets and they'll go "Hey, you know, I have $400 in the bank and $5,000 in debt, let's split this playstation up!". [18:44] DaemonFC And whether it has interest on the loans or not is, well, interest would be worse. But it's not good to think that you can afford the playstation when you're $4,600 in the hole already and rent's coming up. [18:45] DaemonFC And many people are worse than this, and I can see how Microsoft could have been paid well to shove this in right before a Christmas where the merchants are freaking out because 13% of Americans say they'll buy nothing. Now they may "guilt-spend" with money they don't have, enabled by Edge. [18:49] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:49] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [18:52] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [18:53] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights ● Nov 26 [19:05] DaemonFC People are scared, they don't want to spend, and I think the merchants are giving Microsoft a taste in order to ship flexible payments. [19:06] DaemonFC It works like an ad. You're going "I can't afford that!" and then Edge says "Let me break it into five payments.". [19:06] DaemonFC "Oh, okay!" [19:07] DaemonFC Merchants essentially financing sales of their own product at zero percent on the down low because the economy is so rotten. [19:07] DaemonFC Even before the troubles, automakers were already doing this. [19:07] DaemonFC They jacked the price of their cars sky high and then offered 0% in house finance. [19:08] DaemonFC If you make the price really high it doesn't matter if the interest is 0%, but it lets them legally advertise 0% interest. [19:08] DaemonFC You're buying a car that's in a category that's gone up 30% in the last several years. [19:08] DaemonFC They finance it at 0%. How does that work? [19:09] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, The IRS is getting nastier. [19:09] DaemonFC "Build Back Better!" [19:09] DaemonFC Bestest country ever. [19:09] DaemonFC It's getting nastier with sharper teeth, for the poor and the dwindling middle class. [19:10] DaemonFC The rich get $200 billion in direct tax cuts in the same Democrat Party bill./ [19:11] DaemonFC They've figured out ways to technically not raise taxes on people making mid to low incomes, but in effect that's what happens. [19:11] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:12] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [19:19] *rianne has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [19:20] *liberty_box has quit (connection closed) [19:21] techrights-news #EuroLinux 8.5 Release Notes - EuroLinux Documentation Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158418 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | EuroLinux 8.5 Release Notes - EuroLinux Documentation | Tux Machines [19:23] *rianne (~rianne@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [19:23] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [19:26] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, https://i.redd.it/790e9z54wx181.jpg [19:26] DaemonFC McDonalds is now doing this, it seems. [19:26] DaemonFC They make you count to twelve in $1 increments to see how much the job pays per hour. WTF. [19:27] *alextee has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:27] DaemonFC When you graduated high school so McDonalds can send you back to pre-school. [19:28] DaemonFC It gets you thinking about how little a dollar is actually worth anymore. [19:28] DaemonFC Of course, people were railing about that 20 years ago. [19:28] DaemonFC I got my wisdom teeth removed and the dentist billed my insurance over $2,000 to extract four teeth, 20 years ago. [19:29] DaemonFC I was like holy fucking shit. [19:29] DaemonFC $500 a tooth was 20 years ago Roy. [19:29] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:29] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:29] DaemonFC If anyone you know only got charged $600 that's less money inflation-adjusted. 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[20:35] techrights-news The rocky road to better Linux software installation Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158419 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The rocky road to better Linux software installation | Tux Machines [20:35] techrights-news #IPFire 2.27 - Core Update 161 released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158420 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IPFire 2.27 - Core Update 161 released | Tux Machines [20:36] techrights-news #FullCircleMagazine #175 https://fullcirclemagazine.org/2021/11/26/full-circle-magazine-175/ #gnu #linux [20:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fullcirclemagazine.org | Full Circle Magazine #175 | Full Circle Magazine [20:39] DaemonFC activelow, https://www.businessinsider.com/germany-government-increase-minimum-wage-workers-three-per-cent-2021-11 [20:39] -altlink_591/#techrights- Cloudflare: businessinsider.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.businessinsider.com/germany-government-increase-minimum-wage-workers-three-per-cent-2021-11 [20:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Germany Plans to Increase Its the Minimum Wage by 25% [20:39] DaemonFC How generous. Like then giving workers a 25% increase here and then food and utilities goes up 35%. [20:41] techrights-news "Following Californias lead, a new #UK law would ban default passwords in IoT devices." https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2021/11/proposed-uk-law-bans-default-passwords.html [20:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Proposed UK Law Bans Default Passwords - Schneier on Security [20:41] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [20:46] techrights-news 13 Best Dark GTK Themes for Your Linux Desktop Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158421 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 13 Best Dark GTK Themes for Your Linux Desktop | Tux Machines [20:49] techrights-news Scientific evolution sim Thrive is now available on itch.io and Steam | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/11/scientific-evolution-sim-thrive-is-now-on-itchio-and-steam/ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/11/26/#latest [20:49] -altlink_591/#techrights- Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/11/scientific-evolution-sim-thrive-is-now-on-itchio-and-steam/ [20:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Scientific evolution sim Thrive is now available on itch.io and Steam | GamingOnLinux [20:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [20:49] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158423 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [20:53] techrights-news #EU coalition urges EU to push back against gate keeping by #Microsoft , files official complaint Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158424 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | EU coalition urges EU to push back against gate keeping by Microsoft, files official complaint | Tux Machines [20:55] techrights-news #openSUSE Tumbleweed Review of the week 2021/47 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158414#comment-31886 [20:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Git, curl, systemd Roll with Tumbleweed | Tux Machines [20:59] techrights-news #postmarketOS revolutionizes smartphone hacking Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158425 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | postmarketOS revolutionizes smartphone hacking | Tux Machines ● Nov 26 [21:02] techrights-news " #Perl has had experimental features ever since I started using it at about version 5.6. These were things that were considered useful, but about which there was doubt -- about their final form, whether a satisfactory implementation existed, or whatever." http://blogs.perl.org/users/tom_wyant/2021/11/my-favorite-warnings-experimental.html [21:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-My Favorite Warnings: experimental | Tom Wyant [blogs.perl.org] [21:04] techrights-news #GregKroahHartman Releases Linux 5.10.82, 5.4.162, 4.19.218, 4.14.256, 4.9.291, and 4.4.293. Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158426 #GPL #Kernel #Linux #TuxMachines [21:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Greg Kroah-Hartman Releases Linux 5.10.82, 5.4.162, 4.19.218, 4.14.256, 4.9.291, and 4.4.293. | Tux Machines [21:05] techrights-news "Heres your weekly Fedora report. Read what happened this week and whats coming up. Your contributions are welcome (see the end of the post)!" #ibm doomed the community part; #fedora is just #redhat staff these days. https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fridays-fedora-facts-2021-47/ [21:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communityblog.fedoraproject.org | Friday's Fedora Facts: 2021-47 Fedora Community Blog [21:06] techrights-news Faking wealth https://fale.io/blog/2021/11/26/web3-the-risk-of-naming [21:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fale.io | NO TITLE [21:06] techrights-news #Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158427 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [21:08] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:09] techrights-news Venus on #QEMU : Enabling the new virtual #Vulkan driver Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158428 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Venus on QEMU: Enabling the new virtual Vulkan driver | Tux Machines [21:12] techrights-news Craft Parts - Reusable code, #Snapcraft style | Ubuntu https://ubuntu.com//blog/craft-parts-reusable-code-snapcraft-style #ubuntu [21:12] -altlink_591/#techrights- Cloudflare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/craft-parts-reusable-code-snapcraft-style [21:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Craft Parts Reusable code, Snapcraft style | Ubuntu [21:13] techrights-news #Mozilla Performance Blog: Performance Sheriff Newsletter (October 2021) https://blog.mozilla.org/performance/2021/11/26/performance-sheriff-newsletter-october-2021/ [21:13] -altlink_591/#techrights- Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.mozilla.org/performance/2021/11/26/performance-sheriff-newsletter-october-2021/ [21:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Performance Sheriff Newsletter (October 2021) Mozilla Performance [21:15] techrights-news #Games: Thrive, DLSS, and Proton Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158429 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Thrive, DLSS, and Proton | Tux Machines [21:21] techrights-news The #TimDillon Show with #WhitneyWebb https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/11/press/the-tim-dillon-show-with-whitney-webb/ #unlimitedhangout [21:21] -altlink_591/#techrights- Cloudflare: unlimitedhangout.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/11/press/the-tim-dillon-show-with-whitney-webb/ [21:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-unlimitedhangout.com | The Tim Dillon Show with Whitney Webb [21:22] techrights-news #LWJGL - The Lightweight #Java #Game Library Version 3.3 Released https://www.i-programmer.info/news/80-java/15041-lwjgl-the-lightweight-java-game-library-version-33-released.html #iprogrammer #programming [21:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.i-programmer.info | LWJGL - The Lightweight Java Game Library Version 3.3 Released [21:23] techrights-news #GhostBSD 21.11.24 ISO is now available Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158430 ##BSD #UNIX#TuxMachines [21:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GhostBSD 21.11.24 ISO is now available | Tux Machines [21:27] techrights-news #Seaberry Turns A #RaspberryPi 4 Into A Linux Powered ITX System Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158431 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Seaberry Turns A Raspberry Pi 4 Into A Linux Powered ITX System | Tux Machines [21:28] techrights-news "Update on what happened across the #GNOME project in the week from November 19 to November 26." https://thisweek.gnome.org/posts/2021/11/twig-20/ #gnu #linux [21:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thisweek.gnome.org | #20 Colorful Characters This Week in GNOME [21:30] *m___ (~Adium@zpct666kw3iz6.irc) has joined #techrights [21:31] techrights-news #KDE/Ken Vermette: New Icons, Iconoclast Pipeline Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158432 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE/Ken Vermette: New Icons, Iconoclast Pipeline | Tux Machines [21:51] *liberty_box (~liberty@62vhapicsw4ds.irc) has joined #techrights [21:59] techrights-news Wow. About half a million views of the #mono wiki page http://techrights.org/wiki/Mono [21:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mono - Techrights ● Nov 26 [22:03] techrights-news Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158433 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [22:03] techrights-news #Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158434 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [22:05] DaemonFC Brave lets you help them index other search engines when you use those. [22:05] schestowitz-TR 0/ [22:06] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: what articles did you have in mind re edge [22:06] schestowitz-TR [20:53] #EU coalition urges EU to push back against gate keeping by #Microsoft , files official complaint Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158424 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | EU coalition urges EU to push back against gate keeping by Microsoft, files official complaint | Tux Machines [22:06] schestowitz-TR don't miss this one!!! [22:06] schestowitz-TR Could use media attention [22:06] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Promoting debt slavery with installment payments. [22:06] schestowitz-TR the bill-led media won't cover it [22:06] DaemonFC Just in time for guilt-spending by people with no money. [22:06] DaemonFC The Dow cratered today btw. [22:06] schestowitz-TR great!! [22:07] schestowitz-TR that doesn't mean "the economy" [22:07] schestowitz-TR it's a yardstick of passage of wealth upwards [22:07] schestowitz-TR like middle class compelled to throw money on Wall Streett bubbles [22:07] schestowitz-TR like "Tesla" and "uber" plans [22:07] schestowitz-TR losing money, claiming your shares have POSITIVE value [22:08] schestowitz-TR ]another pentgon bailout for Microsoft in the making... [22:08] schestowitz-TR Donald Biden nearly shed a tear [22:12] techrights-news #wallstreet tanking on BLACK Friday. Movie in the making; Wall Street Unmasked: Co-Pay-19. How the oligarchs tricked the middle class to put all the savings in shares worth less than a tenth their real value. Featuring Donald Ponzi-Biden and Joe Madoff-Trump. [22:13] *tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: see you tomorrow) [22:13] kingoffrance if it doesnt go up, theres a problem: inflation says it should always be going up. that is just to say: when politicians say stocks went up, that is what is supposed to happen normally [22:14] kingoffrance they take credit for things that should happen normally [22:15] kingoffrance i saw tihs on tv news "what is a point?" "a dollar" [22:16] kingoffrance they didnt quite say that but lol [22:16] schestowitz-TR true [22:17] kingoffrance they almost got there, didnt make the connection [22:18] techrights-news If #xmas was a holiday of giving "made in USA" gifts, what would be given, bombs and rifles? We sure know all the plastic ones (and fireworks) have been outsourced to sweatshops abroad already. What does the USA have left to export? "Stock market"? [22:18] techrights-news Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158435 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [22:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [22:19] techrights-news The many articles I wrote about #gatesfoundation and #billgates aged very well (15+ years). In many aspects I was "ahead" of the media... not that it could not get the facts, it chose to take bribes instead. [22:23] techrights-news Links 26/11/2021: New Complaint About Microsoft Competition Crimes in Europe, EuroLinux 8.5, GhostBSD 21.11.24, and Kiwi TCMS 10.5 Released Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/11/26/eurolinux-8-5/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/11/26/eurolinux-8-5/ [22:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 26/11/2021: New Complaint About Microsoft Competition Crimes in Europe, EuroLinux 8.5, GhostBSD 21.11.24, and Kiwi TCMS 10.5 Released | Techrights [22:25] techrights-news They've called it Wall Street because it's a virtual wall which separates the robbers and the robbed. Like city gates. The robbed do all the actual work, whereas lazy speculators steal all the capita and use some of it to buy the media, looking to justify the robbery ("job creators", "philanthropy" etc.) [22:28] techrights-news Black Friday (US): a way to "stick it" in black people's faces, revelling in the fact few of them can afford that stupid and pointless ritual without maxing up credit cards (which would in fact render them "modern-day" slaves). Don't fall for it. Start living, stop shopping. [22:29] techrights-news Computer games in #geminiProtocol (creative with limited specs) https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/007641.html [22:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | Announcing SpellBinding, a cgi game for Gemini [22:31] *m___ has quit (Quit: Leaving.) [22:32] techrights-news #billgates BRIBED publisher on #microsoft crimes (careful there... he renewed the #bribery months ago... might not renew again) https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/deutsche-softwarefirma-beschwert-sich-beim-bundeskartellamt-ueber-microsoft-a-45932126-240e-4756-9058-b5a0e85c2a79?context=issue [22:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.spiegel.de | Nextcloud: Deutsche Softwarefirma beschwert sich beim Bundeskartellamt ber Microsoft - DER SPIEGEL [22:33] techrights-news #microsoft #crime #corruption #criminals #europe https://antitrust.nextcloud.com/ https://eueditorial.com/nextcloud-complaint-to-the-federal-cartel-office-about-microsoft/ also see http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/ [22:33] -altlink_591/#techrights- Cloudflare: eueditorial.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://eueditorial.com/nextcloud-complaint-to-the-federal-cartel-office-about-microsoft/ [22:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-antitrust.nextcloud.com | EU tech sector fights for a Level Playing Field with Microsoft [22:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nextcloud: Complaint to the Federal Cartel Office about Microsoft | Eueditorial [22:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and Slush Funds | Techrights [22:38] techrights-news A Bill Gates-bribed (repeatedly) 'news' site captures audiences http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/158424#comment-31887 [22:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | EU coalition urges EU to push back against gate keeping by Microsoft, files official complaint | Tux Machines [22:39] techrights-news Many people from #nextcloud came from #suse ... some of them predating #microsoft killing their employer, #novell [22:40] techrights-news #microsoft = organised #crime http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/ [22:41] *m___ (~Adium@zpct666kw3iz6.irc) has joined #techrights [22:47] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, The cats are eating turkey giblets. [22:47] DaemonFC I'm cooking our turkey today. [22:47] schestowitz-TR hmm.. [22:48] DaemonFC Grandma always cooked the giblets and gave them to her dog. [22:50] techrights-news Improved Workflows: Achievement Unlocked Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/11/26/achievement-unlocked/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/11/26/achievement-unlocked/ [22:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Improved Workflows: Achievement Unlocked | Techrights [22:51] schestowitz-TR give something to the turkeys ● Nov 26 [23:11] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Walmart and iBotta dumped Thanksgiving dinner on us. [23:11] DaemonFC It was all free right down to the pie. [23:11] *m___ has quit (Quit: Leaving.) [23:14] DaemonFC I don't know why. [23:14] DaemonFC The thought of a government conspiracy to keep the turkeys moving despite mass poverty crossed my mind. [23:17] DaemonFC https://thesmartwallet.com/free-thanksgiving-meal-on-ibotta/?articleid=77470 [23:17] -altlink_591/#techrights- Cloudflare: thesmartwallet.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://thesmartwallet.com/free-thanksgiving-meal-on-ibotta/?articleid=77470 [23:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thesmartwallet.com | Get a Free Thanksgiving Meal Through Ibotta | The Smart Wallet [23:18] DaemonFC This was the first year it didn't sell out right away. [23:18] DaemonFC So either there were more of the offers or less people doing Thanksgiving at all. [23:18] schestowitz DaemonFC: I reviewed some gemini games [23:18] schestowitz wrote a couple of paras if you want to have a look with me [23:18] DaemonFC There were still free turkeys available even when there were only 4-5 left at the local Walmart. [23:18] schestowitz gemini is awesome [23:18] DaemonFC Still cooking. [23:18] DaemonFC The pipes are backing up again. [23:18] schestowitz Gemini is [23:18] schestowitz (cooking) ;-) [23:18] DaemonFC Every time someone does laundry. [23:19] DaemonFC I've been plungering the sink each time to fight the water back down. [23:20] DaemonFC Texted the maintenance man. It needs another pipe snaking. Probably actually needs a plumber, but he got it to where it will move again and doesn't back up as bad as it used to. [23:20] DaemonFC It's just, the plumbing here is awful. [23:20] DaemonFC What does anyone think they could get out of me? [23:20] DaemonFC Bad plumbing and a 300,000 mile car? [23:30] schestowitz DaemonFC: cab you read draft? [23:30] schestowitz might also interest you [23:31] schestowitz tomorrow I need to shut the pipe as it goes below zero [23:32] DaemonFC Yeah. [23:32] DaemonFC I've got a few minutes. [23:32] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/11/26/gemini-protocol-games/ [23:32] DaemonFC Making gravy and getting the pie ready to go in. [23:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gemini as a Platform for Gamers | Techrights [23:34] schestowitz we just ear the usuals [23:34] schestowitz *eat [23:34] schestowitz today was mostly coding and updates etc. [23:34] schestowitz housekeeping [23:34] DaemonFC Gemini needs to grow. Web proxies will deal with the important stuff for the most part. [23:34] schestowitz-TR yeah [23:34] DaemonFC With any luck, we can reduce the web down to a really shitty way to bank. [23:35] schestowitz we're added tons of good content to it [23:35] schestowitz inc. lots of crime evidence, e.g. antitrust material [23:40] schestowitz DaemonFC: correction [23:40] schestowitz you can do banking in gemini [23:40] schestowitz see the games [23:41] schestowitz certificates make sessions [23:41] schestowitz also, many flitht booking agencies used lesser UIs [23:41] schestowitz like entering querying language for the server to interpret and return results [23:41] schestowitz can you spot typos? [23:50] techrights-news Gemini as a Platform for #Gamers Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/11/26/gemini-protocol-games/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/11/26/gemini-protocol-games/ [23:52] AdmFubar typo --> flitht [23:52] AdmFubar :P [23:53] AdmFubar oh you mean in the article... :"> [23:54] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:54] schestowitz AdmFubar: I found a few