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schestowitzvZS1: Now that the government uses "STAT AT HOME" mandates getting a "smart meter" (detecting if you're indoors or not) doesn't seem so smart, does it? Dec 26 00:06
schestowitzvZS1: have just checked ipfs bwDec 26 00:17
schestowitzit's average 2gb/day outward, 1gb/day inwardsDec 26 00:17
schestowitznot sure if this is the typical up/down ratioDec 26 00:17
schestowitz /dev/root       12437304 6335520   5446964  54% /Dec 26 00:17
schestowitzthis should last a couple of years at this paceDec 26 00:17
DaemonFC[m]I seriously doubt Trump thinks he'll be around otherwise he wouldn't be doing so much stuff and in a rush to get it done before the 20th.Dec 26 00:25
DaemonFC[m]But he's still saying he might be just to fuck with people.Dec 26 00:25
DaemonFC[m]If the UK is going to lockdown because of this new strain it must be really bad.Dec 26 00:26
DaemonFC[m]It was only a matter of time, but with spread like this it will overwhelm much faster than a vaccine could possibly get out and slow it down.Dec 26 00:27
schestowitzBut Pfizer says it's under controlDec 26 00:28
schestowitzthat it'll "adapt"Dec 26 00:28
schestowitzor that it already works Dec 26 00:28
schestowitzno citationDec 26 00:28
schestowitzno dataDec 26 00:28
schestowitzno evidenceDec 26 00:28
schestowitz"just keep buying our crap using taxpayers' money" (national debt)Dec 26 00:28
schestowitzthe mutation issue has long been raisedDec 26 00:28
schestowitzand too little is known about the supposed vaccines, inc. Russia'sDec 26 00:29
schestowitzI trust Russia's about as much as I trust the 'moderna' one... from Hard-on Inc.Dec 26 00:29
Ariadneso how about that AT&T datacenter bombing attempt this morningDec 26 00:43
DaemonFC[m]Well, they were nice enough to have it announce it would explode and do it when few people were around.Dec 26 00:44
DaemonFC[m]Kind of not what you'd expect from terrorists, to say the least.Dec 26 00:44
Ariadneyes, it was a very polite bombDec 26 00:45
schestowitzI read something about an explosion hours agoDec 26 00:45
schestowitzand they said they suspected it was deliberateDec 26 00:45
schestowitzwhich town was it again?Dec 26 00:45
DaemonFC[m]NashvilleDec 26 00:45
Ariadneof course it was deliberateDec 26 00:45
schestowitzyes, that's itDec 26 00:45
Ariadneit announced itself as a bombDec 26 00:45
Ariadneand said to evacuateDec 26 00:45
schestowitzhttps://www.themorningsun.com/news/nation-world-news/police-explosion-in-nashville-believed-to-be-intentional/article_4b2df9bd-7215-5124-96e3-9ecbca99597c.htmlDec 26 00:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Police: Explosion in Nashville believed to be 'intentional' | Nation and World News | themorningsun.comDec 26 00:46
schestowitzthis is the one I sawDec 26 00:46
schestowitzblocked in EU by the wayDec 26 00:46
schestowitzso could not conveniently read any furtherDec 26 00:46
schestowitzthus don't know the detailsDec 26 00:46
schestowitzalso blocked in EU https://www.dailyfreeman.com/news/national/police-explosion-in-nashville-may-have-been-intentional/article_ccc049a5-beab-57f7-bfee-48bfa7035741.htmlDec 26 00:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Downtown Nashville explosion knocks communications offline | National | dailyfreeman.comDec 26 00:46
Ariadnehttps://twitter.com/TA32556798/status/1342513650360348676Dec 26 00:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TA32556798: https://t.co/utlyRt1DIxDec 26 00:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TA32556798: https://t.co/utlyRt1DIxDec 26 00:47
Ariadnethis is literally the explosion footageDec 26 00:47
Ariadnefrom some security cameraDec 26 00:47
schestowitzTrump getting hard-on without pills.... "martial law"Dec 26 00:49
schestowitzthen picks a book about marcosDec 26 00:49
schestowitzneed JavaScript to watch footageDec 26 00:49
schestowitzsocial control media is devouring everythingDec 26 00:49
Ariadneuse nitterDec 26 00:49
schestowitzhttps://nitter.net/TA32556798/status/1342513650360348676Dec 26 00:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.net | TA (@TA32556798): "" | nitterDec 26 00:50
schestowitzholy crapDec 26 00:51
schestowitzbut just noise and light don't say muchDec 26 00:51
Ariadnethe warning message ahead of timeDec 26 00:51
Ariadnewas coming from the bomb itselfDec 26 00:51
CrystalMathyou can also use youtube-dl on twitter linksDec 26 00:52
schestowitz#UnitedBombersForTrumpDec 26 00:53
CrystalMathwhy would a pro-trump bomber do this?Dec 26 00:53
schestowitzAriadne: so it was to make a pointDec 26 00:53
schestowitzlike IRA bombing in ManchesterDec 26 00:53
schestowitzonly injuries, no death, as a warning was givenDec 26 00:54
CrystalMathwhy in Nashville, the biggest center of Trump support in the US?Dec 26 00:54
schestowitzeither by the planters/planners or a whistleblowerDec 26 00:54
schestowitzCrystalMath: you answered your own questionDec 26 00:54
schestowitzTrump support and domestic terrorism are correlatedDec 26 00:54
CrystalMathbut then it was maybe those who hate Trump?Dec 26 00:55
schestowitzwith evidence to show this over the yearsDec 26 00:55
schestowitzcybrNaut: name one terror attack against Trump supportersDec 26 00:55
schestowitzyou cannot name oneDec 26 00:55
CrystalMathidk, maybe this one?Dec 26 00:55
schestowitzpunch in face isn't terrorDec 26 00:55
CrystalMathno i mean this bombDec 26 00:55
CrystalMathon christmas in TNDec 26 00:55
*schestowitz prepares for funny linksDec 26 00:55
schestowitzno, I mean precedentsDec 26 00:56
schestowitzantifa, for example, killed nobodyDec 26 00:56
schestowitzunlike the white supermacists antifa opposesDec 26 00:56
CrystalMathactually some people did die of injuries after being hurt for wearing a MAGA hatDec 26 00:56
schestowitzthat's not antifaDec 26 00:56
schestowitzso trump fanatics call everything |"antifa"Dec 26 00:56
schestowitzeven rioters for BLMDec 26 00:57
CrystalMathdid i mention antifa at all?Dec 26 00:57
schestowitzthe context wasDec 26 00:57
CrystalMaththose who hate TrumpDec 26 00:57
CrystalMathbut that's a lot of peopleDec 26 00:57
CrystalMatha LOT of peopleDec 26 00:57
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schestowitzso someone was hitDec 26 00:57
schestowitzand hit badlyDec 26 00:57
schestowitznot run overDec 26 00:57
schestowitzunlike what Trump supporters didDec 26 00:57
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schestowitzran over a young ladyDec 26 00:57
schestowitzand others, who were injured but not fatallyDec 26 00:58
CrystalMathwell, there was also a black woman who is an outspoken trump supporter and anti-abortionist, who got stabbed in the back several timesDec 26 00:58
CrystalMathbut she survivedDec 26 00:58
schestowitzanyway, let's discard this "bomb was from anti-Trump protester" BSDec 26 00:58
CrystalMathi don't agree with her but i don't think she should be stabbed in the backDec 26 00:58
schestowitzbblDec 26 00:59
schestowitzgoing to work, covering for colleagueDec 26 01:00
CrystalMathi suppose it would be unprecedented, we've never seen anti-trump people use bombsDec 26 01:00
CrystalMathbut it's also not impossible, as there's a first time for everythingDec 26 01:00
schestowitzafter he was voted out?!Dec 26 01:02
Ariadnei think it was more likely some idiot who wanted to stop "5G"Dec 26 01:05
DaemonFC[m]It wouldn't make sense either.Dec 26 01:06
DaemonFC[m]Trump has a few weeks left. Dec 26 01:06
DaemonFC[m]Other than some corrupt pardons and bluster, he's finished.Dec 26 01:06
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schestowitzAriadne: 5g needs to be stoppedDec 26 01:14
schestowitzbut not for the reason the 5g lobby and patent profiteers want us to thinkDec 26 01:14
schestowitzand not using sabotageDec 26 01:14
schestowitzsocietal breakdown unfolding nowDec 26 01:15
schestowitzand any dissent is painted as loons with riflesDec 26 01:15
schestowitzor people with bad hygieneDec 26 01:15
schestowitztypical tacticsDec 26 01:15
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Ariadneschestowitz: why does 5G need to be stopped?Dec 26 01:33
Ariadnei agree that mmWave is pointlesDec 26 01:33
AriadnesDec 26 01:33
Ariadnebut 5G is otherwise just a radio access technology.  most '5G' is low bandDec 26 01:34
Ariadnehttps://about.att.com/pages/disaster_relief/nashville.htmlDec 26 01:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-about.att.com | Nashville Recovery EffortsDec 26 01:34
Ariadnein other newsDec 26 01:34
Ariadne(the real problem with mmWave is that it interferes with weather radar)Dec 26 01:35
MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/721031.jpgDec 26 01:36
Ariadnepatent minefield is also problematic, but LTE has same problemDec 26 01:38
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MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/716261.jpgDec 26 01:48
Ariadneaccording to AT&T enterprise customer portal, front 1/3rd of the building is basically demolishedDec 26 01:49
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Ariadnegenerators are offline because natural gas lines were isolatedDec 26 01:49
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Ariadnenew generators and diesel fuel are enroute to restore powerDec 26 01:50
Ariadnebut MMR is floodedDec 26 01:50
AriadnesooooDec 26 01:50
Ariadnedunno :)Dec 26 01:50
Ariadnegonna say that situation is well and truly fuckedDec 26 01:50
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MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/716223.jpgDec 26 02:13
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MinceR(cat) https://hugelolcdn.com/i/720436.jpgDec 26 02:49
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schestowitz[01:34] <Ariadne> but 5G is otherwise just a radio access technology.  most '5G' is low bandDec 26 05:17
schestowitzI mentioned this in a techrights video the other day, maybe 3 days agoDec 26 05:17
schestowitzBTW, when do we resume migration efforts and what's the hard deadline (shutdown)?Dec 26 05:18
schestowitz[01:38] <Ariadne> patent minefield is also problematic, but LTE has same problemDec 26 05:19
schestowitzthis a false-dichotomy duality? Somebody did this to me a day ago, presenting only two false choices as the inevitability.Dec 26 05:19
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schestowitz(up yours, santa)Dec 26 05:44
schestowitzhttps://www.readingeagle.com/coronavirus/hamburg-school-district-to-follow-winter-break-with-a-week-of-virtual-learning-to-stem/article_0e2e6560-4477-11eb-8469-33754a12e54b.htmlDec 26 05:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hamburg School District to follow winter break with a week of virtual learning to stem spread of COVID | Coronavirus | readingeagle.comDec 26 05:50
schestowitzonly a week?Dec 26 05:50
schestowitzhttps://www.pottsmerc.com/news/state/descendant-of-first-african-slaves-discusses-healthcare-disparities-in-patient-safety/article_0b523413-f50e-5b03-a293-f9c3ad93f8c2.htmlDec 26 05:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Descendant of First African Slaves Discusses Healthcare Disparities in PATIENT SAFETY | State | pottsmerc.comDec 26 05:52
DaemonFC[m]I didn't have a great plan for dinner so it was steaks with garlic pepper and A1 in the slow cooker and a can of german potato salad.Dec 26 05:59
DaemonFC[m]This year really sucks.Dec 26 05:59
schestowitzyes, same here for the dinner partDec 26 06:00
schestowitzwe bought some items, but the atmosphere is so differentDec 26 06:00
schestowitzdidn't even prepare a 'proper' tableDec 26 06:00
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DaemonFC[m]https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/pantheon-history-test-of-time/index.htmlDec 26 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com | The Pantheon: The ancient building still being used after 2,000 years - CNN StyleDec 26 07:27
DaemonFC[m]"During the Middle Ages, religious leaders, who were incredulous of the feat, cast doubt on the holiness of the Pantheon, believing it to be the work of the devil.Dec 26 07:27
DaemonFC[m]But it wasn't Satan; it was engineering."Dec 26 07:27
DaemonFC[m]Ah yes, the old "I can't explain it therefore Satan.".Dec 26 07:27
vZS1I think it's time to start organising anti-lockdown protestsDec 26 07:53
vZS1Virtually, at leastDec 26 07:53
vZS1They're sabotaging the economy at this pointDec 26 07:53
vZS1I've had a look at the data and the lockdowns aren't really helpingDec 26 07:53
vZS1Time to bust out the old Tor relay and contact some old friendsDec 26 07:54
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schestowitzvZS1: just did a video about itDec 26 08:56
schestowitzan hour longDec 26 08:56
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trendoceangdHi,Dec 26 13:17
trendoceangdPlease allow me to register on this websiteDec 26 13:18
schestowitzwhcih site?Dec 26 13:22
schestowitztechrightsDec 26 13:22
schestowitz?Dec 26 13:22
trendoceangdyesDec 26 13:24
schestowitzto post comments?Dec 26 13:25
trendoceangdto share contentDec 26 13:25
schestowitztechrights does not post random submissions, it's not tux machinesDec 26 13:25
trendoceangdI run blog which specially for linux commnityDec 26 13:25
trendoceangdso what's procedure overhere?Dec 26 13:26
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/19743176Dec 26 13:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The complete guide for #NMAP Command • ᵀᵘˣ ᴹᵃᶜʰⁱⁿᵉˢ ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/145859 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines Dec 26 13:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.tuxmachines.org | The complete guide for NMAP Command | Tux MachinesDec 26 13:26
schestowitzYour posts appear in IRCDec 26 13:26
schestowitzbut at the moment pleroma.site is downDec 26 13:26
schestowitzit's part of the fediverseDec 26 13:26
trendoceangdRoy you have granted me to post article on tuxright Dec 26 13:28
trendoceangdthanks for thatDec 26 13:28
trendoceangdany where else i can shareDec 26 13:28
trendoceangdlike you have TechBytes or many other sitesDec 26 13:29
schestowitznot many sitesDec 26 13:34
schestowitztechbytes was our podcast, not abandoned but not recorded for a number of years because my cohost is MIADec 26 13:34
trendoceangdalright Dec 26 13:36
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MinceRhttps://hugelolcdn.com/i/716222.jpgDec 26 15:07
schestowitzhttp://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2020/12/26/ip-federation-expresses-concerns-about-unified-patent-court/Dec 26 15:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | IP Federation expresses concerns about Unified Patent Court - Kluwer Patent BlogDec 26 15:18
schestowitz"Dec 26 15:18
schestowitz“we support the UPC being available to non-EU member states including the UK where political will allows.”Dec 26 15:18
schestowitzThe GFCC clarified the UPC is only open to EU member states in its March 2020 press release:Dec 26 15:18
schestowitzhttps://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilungen/EN/2020/bvg20-020.htmlDec 26 15:18
schestowitz“The Agreement is open exclusively to EU Member States.”Dec 26 15:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de | Bundesverfassungsgericht - Press - Act of Approval to the Agreement on a Unified Patent Court is voidDec 26 15:18
schestowitz"Dec 26 15:18
MinceRhttps://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/commandmentsDec 26 15:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - CommandmentsDec 26 15:19
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MinceRhttps://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/eugenicsDec 26 15:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - EugenicsDec 26 15:45
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schestowitzvZS1: http://techrights.org/2020/12/26/covid19-boxing-day/Dec 26 16:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Boxing People | TechrightsDec 26 16:25
schestowitztook 'only' 4 hours to uploadDec 26 16:25
MinceR(cat) (audio:irrelevant) https://i.imgur.com/q40WtM4.mp4Dec 26 16:29
scientesMinceR, my god that is a big litterDec 26 16:32
MinceRa commenter suggests it's 2 moms and 2 littersDec 26 16:32
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scientesits one litter now hahahahahahaDec 26 16:37
MinceR:>Dec 26 16:37
scientesat least they don't need clothesDec 26 16:39
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schestowitz[16:32] <MinceR> a commenter suggests it's 2 moms and 2 littersDec 26 17:00
schestowitzthey hugDec 26 17:00
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schestowitz Finland : free 90-day trialDec 26 17:28
schestowitz Dec 26 17:28
schestowitz A bit too late, and at Grauniad, and thus not in the regular links,Dec 26 17:28
schestowitzhttps://www.helsinkibusinesshub.fi/90-day-finn-application/Dec 26 17:28
schestowitzhttps://www.helsinkibusinesshub.fi/90-day-finn-terms-and-conditions/Dec 26 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.helsinkibusinesshub.fi | 90 day Finn Application - Helsinki Business HubDec 26 17:28
schestowitzhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/25/thousands-apply-to-be-a-finn-for-90-days-in-migration-schemeDec 26 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.helsinkibusinesshub.fi | 90 day Finn terms and conditions - Helsinki Business HubDec 26 17:28
schestowitz(sent to me)Dec 26 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Thousands apply to be a Finn for 90 days in migration scheme | Finland | The GuardianDec 26 17:28
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Ariadne[22:19:56] <schestowitz> this a false-dichotomy duality? Somebody did this to me a day ago, presenting only two false choices as the inevitability.Dec 26 17:56
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Ariadnethere is no patent-free radio technology that has the same capabilities as either LTE or 5G NRDec 26 17:56
Ariadneobviously, if there were that would be greatDec 26 17:56
scientesFinland not a bad countryDec 26 18:01
schestowitzhas Trump applied?Dec 26 18:14
schestowitzit's part of Russia, apparentlyDec 26 18:14
schestowitzAriadne: patent law needs to changeDec 26 18:14
schestowitzalso, some tech isn't a net benefitDec 26 18:14
scienteswhat about fishing netsDec 26 18:18
scientesI think those are a net benifitDec 26 18:18
XRevan86I heard that Russia is the last place the Finnish would rather immigrate to.Dec 26 18:19
XRevan86there's something beautiful about thatDec 26 18:19
scientesa fuck load of warsDec 26 18:19
MinceR26 190153 < scientes> Finland not a bad countryDec 26 18:19
MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baHsoEAAMZUDec 26 18:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Monty Python - Finland (Official Lyric Video) - YouTubeDec 26 18:19
scientesbut I like GeorgiaDec 26 18:20
scientesXRevan86, Georgia has similar feelings regarding RussiaDec 26 18:20
scientes(as you of course know)Dec 26 18:21
XRevan86scientes: I feel like with Finland it's a lot stronger.Dec 26 18:21
Ariadneschestowitz: i agree that some tech is not a net benefit.  the side effects of constantly being connected to the internet have not been positive for society at large imoDec 26 18:21
schestowitzyupDec 26 18:21
scientesXRevan86, yeah I suspect too, but you are much closesDec 26 18:21
schestowitzAriadne: maybe it's worth doing a video aboutDec 26 18:21
schestowitzwe've added more videos latelyDec 26 18:22
XRevan86scientes: Both because Finland is in a good shape and because the neighbouring region of Russia is in an extremely bad shape.Dec 26 18:22
schestowitzI run low on disk space in /homeDec 26 18:22
scientesXRevan86, I hear Finland like St. Petersberg Scotland regard elopementsDec 26 18:22
Ariadnethis is one thing i find fascinating about stallman, he keeps his internet usage to a minimumDec 26 18:22
XRevan86It makes the difference so much more apparent, because there's no good reason for such disparity.Dec 26 18:23
scientesAriadne, he gets made fun of for it, but I admire it, actuallyDec 26 18:23
XRevan86in fact it should be the other way around, because Russia is orders of magnitude richer and more powerfulDec 26 18:23
scientesXRevan86, pride of ownershipDec 26 18:23
schestowitzhe uses the net for emailDec 26 18:23
schestowitztbh, he can find better information in booksDec 26 18:23
schestowitzmore reliable, more thought throughDec 26 18:24
XRevan86MinceR: A very… regex'able song.Dec 26 18:24
XRevan86s/Finland/Scotland/gDec 26 18:24
Ariadneeither way though, 5G itself is not more or less harmful than LTE (other than mmWave interfering with weather radar)Dec 26 18:25
XRevan86s/Finland/Iceland/gDec 26 18:25
Ariadnei think weather radar is more important than 5G mmWaveDec 26 18:25
scientesXRevan86, i just heard that it is much easier to marry in Finland, than RussiaDec 26 18:25
Ariadneweather radar saves lives, for exampleDec 26 18:25
scientesso people cross the borderDec 26 18:25
scientessimilar to Scotland in Pride and PrejudiceDec 26 18:26
XRevan86scientes: In what way?Dec 26 18:27
scientesXRevan86, you cross the border, get married, and then register it at the russian embassyDec 26 18:28
XRevan86Didn't know there can be complications with getting married…Dec 26 18:28
MinceRXRevan86: lolDec 26 18:31
scientesXRevan86, have you been to Finland?Dec 26 18:32
XRevan86scientes: noDec 26 18:32
scientesthere is that St Petersbefg-Helsinki-Stockholm cruise shipDec 26 18:32
Ariadneschestowitz: regarding migration, i will probably resume that this evening.  have just been working on writing my own wayland compositor so i can have a stable desktopDec 26 18:35
schestowitzcool :-)Dec 26 18:35
Ariadneso far i've built a compositor that you can drive a tank throughDec 26 18:35
schestowitzI hope my fear of a deadline is unfoundedDec 26 18:36
Ariadneinstead of fail fast, this thing is fail neverDec 26 18:36
Ariadnewe have this week to get it doneDec 26 18:36
schestowitzkde on debian buster is SUPER stable for me/Dec 26 18:36
Ariadnei'll just migrate the VM images as they are and containerize from thereDec 26 18:36
scientesAriadne, have you checked out phosh?Dec 26 18:36
scientesand have you checked out enlightenment?Dec 26 18:36
schestowitzAriadne: good planDec 26 18:36
Ariadnescientes: those don't do what i want, so i wrote my ownDec 26 18:36
schestowitzbtw, side note, the gym is shut until jan 9thDec 26 18:37
schestowitzso until then I will have LOADS of spare time :-)Dec 26 18:37
AriadnecoolDec 26 18:37
scientesbut everything has been nationalized in EuropeDec 26 18:38
schestowitzprivatisedDec 26 18:40
scientessame thing, right?Dec 26 18:41
scienteshahahahahahahaDec 26 18:41
scientesUnder every rock lurks a politician.Dec 26 18:41
schestowitzthere was a time when things were turned over to the publicDec 26 18:44
schestowitznhs is post ww2 thingDec 26 18:44
schestowitznow they chop it down and outsource for private profitsDec 26 18:44
scientesspain nationalized all the healthcare systemDec 26 18:44
scientesso did italyDec 26 18:44
schestowitzbecause... "neoliberalism" or whatever yanks call itDec 26 18:44
scientesUnder every rock lurks a politician.Dec 26 18:44
schestowitzxmas eve: https://thegrayzone.com/2020/12/24/pseudo-left-imperialists-healthcare/Dec 26 18:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thegrayzone.com | Meet the pseudo-left imperialists fighting against universal healthcare | The GrayzoneDec 26 18:45
vZS1Campinos shoutingDec 26 18:46
vZS1Why isn't he fired?Dec 26 18:46
vZS1If a staff member shouted at him they'd be firedDec 26 18:46
vZS1Surely that's in violation of some policy?Dec 26 18:47
schestowitzyou are new to epo :-)Dec 26 18:48
schestowitzthe presidents violate their own rulesDec 26 18:48
schestowitzstaff reps point that outDec 26 18:48
schestowitzand then get unwarranted bollockingDec 26 18:48
vZS1Who is their superior?Dec 26 18:48
schestowitzwhose?Dec 26 18:48
vZS1The presidentDec 26 18:48
schestowitznobody. they are above the law. that's the very heart of the scandalDec 26 18:49
schestowitzthey steal billions Dec 26 18:49
schestowitzand nobody holds them accountableDec 26 18:49
schestowitznot even the commissionDec 26 18:49
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/12/01/the-breton-coverup/Dec 26 18:49
vZS1Had nobody filed a report to the commission?Dec 26 18:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | European Commission’s Thierry Breton Covers Up EPO Corruption For His Friend Benoît Battistelli | TechrightsDec 26 18:49
schestowitzvZS1: care to proofread/factcheck my new ipfs post?Dec 26 18:49
schestowitzdraft, can be posted any secondDec 26 18:49
vZS1Has*Dec 26 18:49
vZS1SureDec 26 18:50
schestowitzvZS1: they didDec 26 18:50
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/07/18/collusion-and-coverup/Dec 26 18:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Thierry Breton and the European Commission Must Answer Perfectly Legitimate Questions About European Patent Office Corruption | TechrightsDec 26 18:50
schestowitzthe above link (12/01) is the Commission's non-responseDec 26 18:50
schestowitzit's run by a corrupt moleDec 26 18:50
schestowitzvZS1: http://techrights.org/2020/12/26/www-social-control/Dec 26 18:51
schestowitzfastDec 26 18:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The World Wide Web (or Worldwide Empire): Optimised for Social Control Media | TechrightsDec 26 18:51
scienteswe’ve long gone in the opposite direction (EME, AMP, SPDY etc.)Dec 26 18:53
scienteshahahahaDec 26 18:53
scientesSPDY is oldDec 26 18:53
scienteswe have HTTP 3 nowDec 26 18:53
scienteswhich doesn't even use TCPDec 26 18:53
vZS1> not only a Web site but a resources broadly available in a peer-to-peer fashion.Dec 26 18:53
XRevan86scientes: SPDY is HTTP/2 now.Dec 26 18:53
scientesboth are excessively complex, with no interest in being easily implementableDec 26 18:53
schestowitzyes, it isDec 26 18:53
schestowitzbeat me to itDec 26 18:53
vZS1I'm guessing you mean resource*Dec 26 18:53
vZS1s/resources/resourceDec 26 18:53
schestowitzcheersDec 26 18:54
schestowitzhttp/2 is part of the problemDec 26 18:54
schestowitzmarketed as "SPEED"Dec 26 18:54
XRevan86Well, it delivers.Dec 26 18:54
schestowitzand complexityDec 26 18:54
schestowitzwhere none is truly neededDec 26 18:54
schestowitzreminds me of systemdDec 26 18:54
XRevan86It's how TLS-encrypted HTTP can get on a par with clear text.Dec 26 18:54
schestowitzyou overcomplicate things and debugging can be a pain, for users a devs alikeDec 26 18:54
schestowitzexcept for ibm staffDec 26 18:54
vZS1We're still not fully there yetDec 26 18:55
vZS1TR doesn't use IPNSDec 26 18:55
XRevan86With TLS-encrypted HTTP/1 complexity is moved to the frameworks, that then bundle everything into one mega-file.Dec 26 18:55
vZS1You're still on DNSDec 26 18:55
XRevan86to reduce the amount of connectionsDec 26 18:55
vZS1We should make an IPNS object for the TR indexDec 26 18:56
XRevan86Don't know if WordPress still does it. Maybe they stopped, because HTTP/2.Dec 26 18:56
vZS1schestowitz: I can write an IPNS how-to for TR like I did for IPFSDec 26 18:57
vZS1Give me a couple weeksDec 26 18:57
schestowitzcheersDec 26 18:57
schestowitzwe move servers/dc soonDec 26 18:57
schestowitzmaybe this evening, Ariadne saysDec 26 18:57
schestowitzif she finds timeDec 26 18:57
vZS1TLS's trust model is a jokeDec 26 18:58
vZS1X.509 ratherDec 26 18:58
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft HTTP + S&MDec 26 18:59
MinceRhttps://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/satanDec 26 18:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - SatanDec 26 18:59
vZS1Certificate "authorities" have kidnapped and monopolised the trust system. Browsers enable themDec 26 19:00
vZS1So now you just have to play by their rulesDec 26 19:01
vZS1Same happened to DNSDec 26 19:01
vZS1And emailDec 26 19:01
vZS1They really went for the throatDec 26 19:04
XRevan86Anyway, the big idea behind HTTP/2 is to establish a connection to the server just once, and so the overhead from TLS handshake occurs only once.Dec 26 19:04
vZS1It's over now. You really can't be free on the webDec 26 19:04
CrystalMathvZS1: why not?Dec 26 19:04
CrystalMathi never use HTTP/2Dec 26 19:04
CrystalMathbecause elinks doesn't support it :PDec 26 19:04
CrystalMathnor does lynxDec 26 19:04
CrystalMathi also sometimes use HTTP/1.0 browsersDec 26 19:05
vZS1They've kidnapped the standards and central infrastructureDec 26 19:05
CrystalMathwho cares about standardsDec 26 19:05
vZS1HTTP has been successfully kidnapped as wellDec 26 19:06
CrystalMathi mean, sure, there are problems that you need to bypassDec 26 19:06
CrystalMathlike cloudflareDec 26 19:06
CrystalMathcloudflare is indeed a real threatDec 26 19:06
CrystalMathbut it really has nothing to do with TLSDec 26 19:06
CrystalMathas it really hijacks everything to the point that TLS is pointlessDec 26 19:06
vZS1Google went and made HTTP3 more optimised for stuff like YouTubeDec 26 19:06
CrystalMathand?Dec 26 19:06
CrystalMathjust use HTTP 1.1Dec 26 19:07
schestowitzand for ChromeDec 26 19:07
schestowitzyoutube still takes ages to load up on anything but google's pwn chromeDec 26 19:07
CrystalMathscrew HTTP 2, let alone HTTP 3Dec 26 19:07
schestowitzmozilla accused them of doing that deliberately, iircDec 26 19:07
XRevan86HTTP/2 is awesome, don't know about HTTP/3Dec 26 19:07
schestowitzand then the same for google maps and streetviewDec 26 19:07
scientes<schestowitz> youtube still takes ages to load up on anything but google's pwn chromeDec 26 19:07
scientesschestowitz, it was MicrosoftDec 26 19:07
scientesthey gave it as the reason they had to drop their own browserDec 26 19:07
XRevan86reinventing TCP is a bit much to my tasteDec 26 19:08
CrystalMathXRevan86: yeah but it's not so easy to implement in simple browsersDec 26 19:08
scientesschestowitz, if you change the UA in Firefox YouTube fails to loadDec 26 19:08
schestowitzscientes: right. yes, it was MSFTDec 26 19:08
schestowitzthe hypocritesDec 26 19:08
XRevan86CrystalMath: Simple browsers usually don't have much to take from it.Dec 26 19:08
schestowitzwho 'warm up' Office to fake startup 'performance'Dec 26 19:08
scientesbasically Google hates that they have to support an open platformDec 26 19:08
CrystalMathXRevan86: true, so i just use HTTP 1.1Dec 26 19:08
scientesso making YouTube only support Firefox With Hacks is their passive-agressive way of showing their hate for peopleDec 26 19:09
XRevan86CrystalMath: As long as your servers support HTTP/2, I don't mind :)Dec 26 19:09
scientesXRevan86, HTTP/1.1Dec 26 19:09
XRevan86Unless it's a single page with no pictures, CSS or anything, then I won't mind as wellDec 26 19:09
CrystalMathas for me, i should make a nice websiteDec 26 19:09
CrystalMathin HTML 3.1 StrictDec 26 19:09
CrystalMathno JS, no CSSDec 26 19:09
scientesIt pisses me off how people are dumping IRC for these "cool new technologies"Dec 26 19:10
scientesthat are basically just IRC, but slowerDec 26 19:10
CrystalMathscientes: so don'tDec 26 19:10
schestowitzmatrix *cough*Dec 26 19:10
schestowitzeven fedora wrote about it this weekDec 26 19:10
schestowitzpoor fedora using 'old' IRCDec 26 19:10
schestowitztbf, they say they're working on making the 'new' thing compatible with ircDec 26 19:10
scientesMozilla did it for discordDec 26 19:10
scientesbut I can't use itDec 26 19:10
scienteswith IRC you can find people and talk directlyDec 26 19:10
scientesit is amazingDec 26 19:10
schestowitzdicord is proprietaryDec 26 19:11
CrystalMathdiscord is complete crapDec 26 19:11
scientes^^^Dec 26 19:11
CrystalMathbutDec 26 19:11
schestowitzlike slack, pronounced "shit"Dec 26 19:11
scientescomplete crapDec 26 19:11
CrystalMathmozilla has a channel on freenodeDec 26 19:11
vZS1HTTP2 is binaryDec 26 19:11
schestowitzsoon "shitforce"Dec 26 19:11
vZS1So it's a PITADec 26 19:11
scientesCrystalMath, they use to have their own IRC server, for decadesDec 26 19:11
vZS1HTTP1 is plaintextDec 26 19:11
scientesand all the devs were on itDec 26 19:11
vZS1A lot simpler to debugDec 26 19:11
XRevan86vZS1: It's also meant to be encrypted.Dec 26 19:11
schestowitzfor some sites encryption is not importantDec 26 19:12
XRevan86don't know how you're planning to read HTTP/2 when it's behind encryptionDec 26 19:12
schestowitzit slows things down for no real benefitDec 26 19:12
schestowitzbecause they can see what ip you connect to anywayDec 26 19:12
XRevan86Without encryption HTTP/2 is not used.Dec 26 19:12
vZS1Encryption should happen elsewhereDec 26 19:12
schestowitzso they know what sites you read and when, how long for...Dec 26 19:12
CrystalMathschestowitz: also cloudware hijacks the encryption anywayDec 26 19:12
CrystalMathyou only encrypt up to cloudflareDec 26 19:12
CrystalMaththat's the real threat to the webDec 26 19:12
schestowitzclownflareDec 26 19:12
schestowitzthe packet circusDec 26 19:13
vZS1Shoehorning encryption into a protocol tells me enough about how good they are at designing systemsDec 26 19:13
CrystalMathclownflare, niceDec 26 19:13
schestowitzhttps is just httpDec 26 19:13
schestowitzwith tls around itDec 26 19:13
vZS1Probably thought "separation of concerns" is just another buzzwordDec 26 19:13
schestowitzlots of gzip on the web, tooDec 26 19:13
scientes<schestowitz> clownflareDec 26 19:14
scienteshahahahahaDec 26 19:14
scientesthey have a passive-agressive thing against Tor tooDec 26 19:14
scientesthe internet is full of passive-agressive actorsDec 26 19:14
scientesClownflare vs. TorDec 26 19:14
scientesYouTube vs. FirefoxDec 26 19:14
schestowitzeff hates pgpDec 26 19:14
vZS1But that's what happens when you have idiots stuffed into the committees that define standardsDec 26 19:14
schestowitzgpg alsoDec 26 19:14
schestowitzthe whole efail hypeDec 26 19:14
schestowitzover messages that are not messagesDec 26 19:15
schestowitzbut web pages pretending to be mails ^_^Dec 26 19:15
schestowitzand then eff shilled for MS-hosted signalDec 26 19:15
schestowitzwhich requires a phone number and stuffDec 26 19:15
schestowitzstuff effDec 26 19:15
schestowitzthey're doneDec 26 19:15
schestowitzmerry xmasDec 26 19:15
scienteswell yeahDec 26 19:15
vZS1HTTP 1.1 was 1997. We still had real hackers calling most of the shots back thenDec 26 19:16
scientesanother example of Under every rock lurks a politician.Dec 26 19:16
vZS1HTTP 2 was 2015Dec 26 19:16
vZS1IIRCDec 26 19:16
scientesvZS1, and apache's initial page was "It works!"Dec 26 19:16
vZS1By then the committees were already stuffed with moronsDec 26 19:16
scientesvZS1, SPDY/HTTP2 has a silly gzip dictionary as part of the standard, and every release changed that dictionary, with no real explination of why the dictionary was any goodDec 26 19:17
smnthermes> ‎[16:14:42] ‎scientes‎: Clownflare vs. TorDec 26 19:18
smnthermesMozilla loves ClownflareDec 26 19:18
scientesand HTTP3 is just insanely complicated, even just the wire protocol, before they stuff TCP and TLS on top of itDec 26 19:19
smnthermesDespite integrating Tor Browser features in FirefoxDec 26 19:19
vZS1Tor is already being dismantledDec 26 19:19
scientes^^^^Dec 26 19:19
vZS1They fired the real Tor hackersDec 26 19:19
vZS1I didn't even know until schestowitz told meDec 26 19:19
scientesmakes senseDec 26 19:20
MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/22/57f22cd4efc51b6d.jpgDec 26 19:20
vZS1Mozilla is actively fucking everything good we got from itDec 26 19:20
scientesthe internet is unbelievably controlled these daysDec 26 19:20
scienteshttps://mashable.com/article/tor-foundation-coronavirus-layoffs/Dec 26 19:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mashable.com | Tor lays off staff as privacy takes another coronavirus-induced hitDec 26 19:20
vZS1Thunderbird, Firefox, Tor (originally not Mozilla)Dec 26 19:20
scientesMinceR, niceDec 26 19:21
scientesXRevan86, Dec 26 19:21
scientes<MinceR> https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/22/57f22cd4efc51b6d.jpgDec 26 19:21
scienteshahahahahaDec 26 19:21
DaemonFC[m]Stuff the entire internet protocol stack and gzip into HTTP why not.Dec 26 19:21
vZS1Pretty much what they're doingDec 26 19:22
DaemonFC[m]Every godawful thing they can think of goes in now and the next terrible ideas, well, that's why there's versioning.Dec 26 19:22
schestowitz  >>> curl site_page.zip | unzip | sudo sh -Dec 26 19:22
vZS1LmaoDec 26 19:22
schestowitzforgot a dashDec 26 19:22
schestowitztotallty secureDec 26 19:22
schestowitzrunme.batDec 26 19:22
schestowitzrun my buttDec 26 19:23
DaemonFC[m]I'm trying to get our immigration stuff into some sort of order so I can send it off to FedEx to be printed.Dec 26 19:23
DaemonFC[m]It would be great had Maricel not ran off our attorney but it is what it is and I just have to peck around the web gathering as much data and evidence as I can hit them with at the meeting.Dec 26 19:23
vZS1Look at the nameDec 26 19:25
vZS1Hypertext Transfer ProtocolDec 26 19:26
vZS1Should just transfer hypertextDec 26 19:26
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, well, originally the idea was that ftp would handle files.Dec 26 19:26
DaemonFC[m]But then Google unilaterally decided to end ftp, which was a pretty big mess, but as Mozilla stated, you could fix a lot of that by just removing support for ancient implementations that nobody would be using today.Dec 26 19:27
DaemonFC[m]Like the ones from Windows for Workgroups.Dec 26 19:27
vZS1FTP is still a good protocolDec 26 19:27
vZS1I use it stillDec 26 19:27
DaemonFC[m]Well, Google can't force people to shut down their FTP servers, but if it requires specialized software to access, then most people won't be using it.Dec 26 19:28
vZS1That's a good pointDec 26 19:28
DaemonFC[m]All they really need to do is remove FTP from Chrome and then not index FTP servers in Google Search and it's effectively gone.Dec 26 19:28
vZS1Pretty muchDec 26 19:28
schestowitzsame for rssDec 26 19:28
schestowitzbefore chrome arrivedDec 26 19:28
schestowitzfirefox made rss very popular for a wholeDec 26 19:28
schestowitz*while (not anymore)Dec 26 19:28
vZS1There's still hope thoughDec 26 19:29
vZS1BitTorrent and IPFS make file sharing pretty easyDec 26 19:29
schestowitzmaybe the next covid 'stimulus' bill will ban thoseDec 26 19:29
DaemonFC[m]BitTorrent traffic is increasingly scrutinized by ISPs even if there is no copyright complaints.Dec 26 19:29
vZS1But I still prefer ftp in some casesDec 26 19:30
schestowitz"g5 does not cause covid, ipfs does," said Moscow MitchDec 26 19:30
vZS1FTP is an elegant protocolDec 26 19:30
DaemonFC[m]They'll at least log what you transfer and slow it down to "improve the quality of their network" for people trying to watch Netflix. Dec 26 19:30
vZS1It's a lot simpler than P2PDec 26 19:30
DaemonFC[m]Beats investing in pesky upgrades so it works well for everyone who is paying them.Dec 26 19:30
scientesbut http/1.1 is more efficientDec 26 19:30
DaemonFC[m]Then they can invest in bribes and dividends and bonuses.Dec 26 19:30
vZS1You can't really filter traffic when it's encryptedDec 26 19:30
scientesand also lacks annoying state machine of ftpDec 26 19:30
DaemonFC[m]No, which is why VPNs have a lot of value even on Windows.Dec 26 19:31
scientesftp is stateful which makes it dislikedDec 26 19:31
DaemonFC[m]It does put a stop to your ISP being able to selectively meddle with your traffic.Dec 26 19:31
vZS1You can just get your torrent client to do "encrypted only"Dec 26 19:31
DaemonFC[m]And it's the ISP level where things go hideously wrong as far as copyright alerts and stuff.Dec 26 19:31
DaemonFC[m]Protocol Encryption in BitTorrent is basically useless.Dec 26 19:31
DaemonFC[m]It got around some early network throttling techniques, but it only encrypts headers, not the entire stream, and it's easy to analyze and figure out what it is.Dec 26 19:32
scientesI tend to use sftpDec 26 19:32
scientesas I already have it set upDec 26 19:32
schestowitzall use sftpDec 26 19:32
scientesand network file systems universally sucksDec 26 19:32
schestowitznot when you say ftp people assume over sshDec 26 19:33
DaemonFC[m]I think the future of BitTorrent is over VPN services because without that you're not going to last long.Dec 26 19:33
scientessftp just worksDec 26 19:33
DaemonFC[m]With copyright strikes and this kangaroo court they're setting up.Dec 26 19:33
schestowitzi set up some ftp servers for clientsDec 26 19:33
schestowitzand yes, stfp, we leave out the s Dec 26 19:33
vZS1There's no hard evidence that ISPs can filter out encrypted torrentingDec 26 19:33
vZS1That's propagandaDec 26 19:33
scientessftp is a totally different protocolDec 26 19:33
DaemonFC[m]Losing your internet account is small beans compared with scattershot lawsuits in front of an arbitration board.Dec 26 19:33
schestowitzit's sftp + extra, no?Dec 26 19:34
scienteshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH_File_Transfer_ProtocolDec 26 19:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | SSH File Transfer Protocol - WikipediaDec 26 19:34
DaemonFC[m]They'll just hit you with dozens or hundreds of lawsuits, all demanding $30,000 each, and then it'll be worse than what we have now.Dec 26 19:34
schestowitz"SFTP (SSH File Transfer Protocol) is a protocol built SSH to transfer files securely. By using the SSH transport layer, SFTP can securely move large amounts of data over an internet connection. ... It uses the SSH authentication and cryptographic capabilities to keep files safe during the transfer process."Dec 26 19:34
vZS1All this "deep packet inspection" is bullshitteryDec 26 19:35
DaemonFC[m]We're going to see a lot of people get ambushed by these and they'll have to declare bankruptcy.Dec 26 19:35
scientesvZS1, it is universally implemented these daysDec 26 19:35
schestowitzah, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTPSDec 26 19:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | FTPS - WikipediaDec 26 19:35
DaemonFC[m]I implemented firewall rules back when Comcrap was using Sandvine.Dec 26 19:35
schestowitzvZS1: dpi = "HEY HI!!Dec 26 19:35
schestowitz'we  grep stuff'Dec 26 19:35
DaemonFC[m]It was pretty clumsy. You couldn't tell which reset packets were fake or real so you just dropped all of them being sent to your bittorrent client and let it sort out the mess as the file became corrupt and needed recovering.Dec 26 19:36
DaemonFC[m]It caused a lot of excess CPU usage.Dec 26 19:36
scientesand now they give us https and say "we are protecting you"Dec 26 19:36
schestowitzfrom the rushhhhanDec 26 19:36
scientes"we are protecting your from yourself"Dec 26 19:36
vZS1Let them spew their bullshitDec 26 19:36
vZS1I've not got the energy to call it all outDec 26 19:36
schestowitzfacebook protects you from 'chinese virus'Dec 26 19:36
schestowitzso only fb and partners can see the "goods"Dec 26 19:37
DaemonFC[m]I was using a lot of direct download sites at the motel.Dec 26 19:37
schestowitzmicrosoft gets all of fb dataDec 26 19:37
DaemonFC[m]I had Opera installed because few people were using them with Opera VPN, and so I could have several downloads going at once that way.Dec 26 19:37
schestowitzopera 'vpn'Dec 26 19:37
schestowitzin china :-)Dec 26 19:37
schestowitzopera is both proprietaryDec 26 19:37
schestowitzand chinese nopwDec 26 19:37
vZS1schestowitz: a PR rep was trying to teach me about GPG yesterday. Dec 26 19:37
schestowitznot scandinadianDec 26 19:37
scientes"stay inside, the world is a scary place"Dec 26 19:38
vZS1I smiled and noddedDec 26 19:38
schestowitzeven opera's founder lost interest and started a different browserDec 26 19:38
vZS1:DDec 26 19:38
schestowitzand now they offer 'free' emailDec 26 19:38
schestowitzto harvest youDec 26 19:38
DaemonFC[m]Mandy just shouts bing bong ching chong and laughs now because of south park.Dec 26 19:38
schestowitzand sell the dataDec 26 19:38
scienteswe are living in a real-life bubble-boy worldDec 26 19:38
schestowitz(vivaldick(Dec 26 19:38
scientesremember that movie?Dec 26 19:38
scientesbubble boy?Dec 26 19:38
DaemonFC[m]I don't know if he gets it that to a lot of these stupid fucking morons that voted for Trump, there's not a nickel's worth of difference between the Philippines and China.Dec 26 19:38
DaemonFC[m]THey probably couldn't put at either on a map.Dec 26 19:38
schestowitzscientes: it was also in seinfeldDec 26 19:39
schestowitzwasDec 26 19:39
DaemonFC[m]Let's just hate Asians because that's what the industrial strength adulterer 6 time bankrupt from GOD wants.Dec 26 19:39
schestowitzuntil george killed himDec 26 19:39
scientesNO SOUP 4 UDec 26 19:39
schestowitzcome back, 4 months1Dec 26 19:39
schestowitz!Dec 26 19:39
vZS1All Asians are evil. Don't ya know? Dec 26 19:39
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: If immigration asks about my bankruptcy I might just say "The former administration had 6, soon to be 7.Dec 26 19:39
schestowitzvZS1: that's like half the people on the planet!Dec 26 19:40
DaemonFC[m]Besides, I'm working on the rebound. I agree that credit ratings are mostly bullshit, but if you can stay over 600 you'll at least be able to rent an apartment.Dec 26 19:40
scientessucky sucky 5 yuen you get chinese diseaseDec 26 19:40
vZS1Half the planet is evil! Dec 26 19:41
scientesvZS1, sounds about rightDec 26 19:41
schestowitzthat's optimisticDec 26 19:41
schestowitzask MinceRDec 26 19:41
schestowitzhe's the 'expert'Dec 26 19:41
DaemonFC[m]That's why I've been quiet as a mouse here. Don't want to rub the landlord the wrong way after he basically looked the other way at a dicey situation.Dec 26 19:41
scientesto have good you must have evilDec 26 19:41
scientesso half-half sounds about rightDec 26 19:41
DaemonFC[m]One tenant with a recent bankruptcy and one that's in the middle of an immigration case.Dec 26 19:41
scientesso half-half sounds about left-rightDec 26 19:41
schestowitzvZS1: there are many good and benign animalsDec 26 19:41
schestowitzcreatures that eat weed in the seafloorDec 26 19:42
schestowitzwe eat themDec 26 19:42
schestowitzinstead of the weedDec 26 19:42
DaemonFC[m]Bankruptcy was the nuclear option after what John and the state trumped up. But for all he knows, I was just some idiot who couldn't manage my affairs.Dec 26 19:42
schestowitzlately we've watched many elephant videosDec 26 19:42
schestowitzthey keep haunting my mindDec 26 19:42
DaemonFC[m]So if it comes up at immigration I'll explain it that way and if it doesn't I won't bring it up.Dec 26 19:42
DaemonFC[m]It's dead and buried in the past. We're back on our feet and looking towards a much brighter future. Dec 26 19:43
scientesschestowitz, eat elephants?Dec 26 19:43
MinceRschestowitz: you keel killing bacteria :>Dec 26 19:44
MinceRs/eel/eep/Dec 26 19:44
DaemonFC[m]"back on our feet and looking towards the future".....It's not what you say, it's how you say it.Dec 26 19:44
DaemonFC[m]Confidence. If you're not projecting confidence, why should they assume good things await you?Dec 26 19:44
scientesMinceR, you speak for the bacteria, but what about those innocent plants!Dec 26 19:44
MinceRthey, too, get eatenDec 26 19:45
MinceRwhich implies killing at least parts of themDec 26 19:45
DaemonFC[m]I was reading Wikipedia about that River Phoenix guy. They said he was a vegan, to the point where he went on a date and cried when his girlfriend ordered a crab bisque or something.Dec 26 19:45
DaemonFC[m]I think that's more indicative of mental illness. Dec 26 19:46
vZS1He's just a very committed veganDec 26 19:46
DaemonFC[m]And yes, let's watch what we eat while we do speedballs. Very woke and health conscious.Dec 26 19:46
DaemonFC[m]Was.... a very committed vegan.Dec 26 19:47
DaemonFC[m]Dead at 23 because of the speedballs. Dec 26 19:47
vZS1Almost everything has some sort of animal byproduct in itDec 26 19:47
MinceRi guess he found a solution to the whole problem with killing plants and bacteriaDec 26 19:47
schestowitz[19:46] <vZS1> He's just a very committed veganDec 26 19:48
schestowitzthere is a religion for thisDec 26 19:48
schestowitzSam Harris used to mention it a lotDec 26 19:48
DaemonFC[m]Jedi KnightDec 26 19:48
vZS1I'm sure there isDec 26 19:48
schestowitzas example of super-peaceful religionDec 26 19:48
schestowitz"janes"Dec 26 19:48
schestowitzor something like thatDec 26 19:48
MinceRJainism?Dec 26 19:48
DaemonFC[m]Religion is overall not peaceful.Dec 26 19:48
schestowitzguess soDec 26 19:48
scientes> Sam HarrisDec 26 19:48
scientesgeezeDec 26 19:49
scienteshe has his own religionDec 26 19:49
scientesworship of the stateDec 26 19:49
DaemonFC[m]They can't leave anything alone.Dec 26 19:49
scientespretending to think for himselfDec 26 19:49
vZS1There are a few pretty peaceful onesDec 26 19:49
vZS1Like DaoismDec 26 19:49
schestowitzanyway, the point he was making was, iirc, Islam is naturally rather ruthlessDec 26 19:50
DaemonFC[m]Ruthless is......that crazy Filipino cult that says you have to throw out the whole family and shun them if one of them is gay.Dec 26 19:50
DaemonFC[m]Don't think that there aren't people who will be getting our wedding pictures with Maricel in them if this whole thing hits the shitter.Dec 26 19:51
vZS1WellDec 26 19:51
DaemonFC[m]At court, no less, where they aren't supposed to go.Dec 26 19:51
vZS1Islam was founded by a military generalDec 26 19:51
vZS1What do you expect?Dec 26 19:51
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: they have people there who crucify THEMSELVESDec 26 19:51
schestowitzto impress Mr. InvisibleManDec 26 19:52
vZS1The first Muslims were pretty much all martial (and very good at it)Dec 26 19:52
schestowitzto impress the girlsDec 26 19:52
schestowitzunder 10 ;-)Dec 26 19:52
scientesschestowitz, no, the point he was making is that the places that have oil happen to have people already living thereDec 26 19:53
scientesit is a very simple thought patternDec 26 19:53
scientesUnder every rock lurks a politician.Dec 26 19:54
vZS1I think Sam Harris picked the wrong religion as an exampleDec 26 19:54
vZS1Early Islam was basically all about military expansionDec 26 19:55
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vZS1The Rashidun caliphate kicked the Byzantines out of the Middle East and took over North Africa. It was pretty much all about warDec 26 19:56
schestowitzterritoryDec 26 19:59
schestowitzTORYDec 26 19:59
schestowitzMake Alphamale Great AgainDec 26 20:00
schestowitzkill some peopleDec 26 20:00
schestowitzmakes you seem "Strong"Dec 26 20:00
schestowitzif you can't outwit them, kill themDec 26 20:00
MinceRlast one to die winsDec 26 20:00
MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/22/7fda1175701da9f0.jpgDec 26 20:01
schestowitzstalemateDec 26 20:01
schestowitzno mateDec 26 20:01
schestowitzno offspringDec 26 20:01
schestowitzhumans finishedDec 26 20:01
schestowitzfunDec 26 20:01
schestowitzfinDec 26 20:01
MinceRindeedDec 26 20:01
schestowitzDon't give ideas to TERRORISTSDec 26 20:02
schestowitzre  https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/22/7fda1175701da9f0.jpgDec 26 20:02
schestowitzevery terror plot starts with pizzaDec 26 20:03
scientesare you fucking kidding me?Dec 26 20:04
scienteshttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/22/7fda1175701da9f0.jpgDec 26 20:04
scientesI am at a loss for wordsDec 26 20:05
vZS1You see, they try their best to make sure kids don't read the source material (bible etc.)Dec 26 20:05
vZS1It's not easy to explain why things like infanticide are goodDec 26 20:05
vZS1Or repeated genocideDec 26 20:06
scientesyeah, but making pizza illegal?Dec 26 20:06
vZS1Pretty ironic when you think about itDec 26 20:07
schestowitzpizza is rich in iron?Dec 26 20:11
Sajesajama schestowitz schestowitz_log scientes search_social siel_ smnthermes swaggboi Dec 26 20:12
schestowitzscientes: us bans kinder surprises...Dec 26 20:12
schestowitzI think it's the basis that stuff can be swallowedDec 26 20:12
schestowitzbut they vend rifled over the counter... with ammoDec 26 20:12
schestowitz*riflesDec 26 20:12
scientesswallow a grater?Dec 26 20:13
schestowitzit's hard to swallow a rifleDec 26 20:13
schestowitzmaybe a tiny tiny barbie rifle would be bannedDec 26 20:13
vZS1Come shop at WalmartDec 26 20:13
schestowitzscientes: no, that stuff inside the Kinder chocolate eggDec 26 20:13
vZS1Get an AR-15 with your gallon of milkDec 26 20:14
schestowitzthe germans didn't get enough lobbyists like NRADec 26 20:14
schestowitz"excuse me, sir, where are you going WITH THAT MILK?"Dec 26 20:14
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schestowitzhttp://www.zenwalk.org/2020/12/pipewire-replaces-pulseaudio-in-zenwalk.htmlDec 26 20:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zenwalk.org | Zenwalk GNU Linux: Pipewire replaces Pulseaudio in ZenwalkDec 26 20:31
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MinceR(cat) (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/19/0284f4e34972ef10.mp4Dec 26 20:59
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vZS1Was pretty encouragingDec 26 20:59
vZS1Until I readDec 26 20:59
vZS1> Alongside Wayland and FlatpakDec 26 20:59
scientes2typical day in Russia https://youtu.be/1IZo5WDxpgMDec 26 21:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Aparece un río de sangre en Rusia causado por una granja de truchas - YouTubeDec 26 21:00
XRevan86кисельные берегаDec 26 21:01
XRevan86kisel shoresDec 26 21:03
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mjg59 Dec 26 21:31
schestowitzmetooDec 26 21:32
DaemonFC[m]Alex St. John was at Microsoft for decades and has a much more reprehensible set of opinions than anything I've ever seen in the Free Software world.Dec 26 21:46
DaemonFC[m]He's also quite, quite wrong about nothing beating youth for creativity. Intel has a well documented history of Logan's Run hiring and firing, and what it got them was Skylake. An architecture so buggy and broken and impossible to properly manage power consumption on that it singlehandedly lost them several of their most important clients.Dec 26 21:47
DaemonFC[m]It took them years to mostly dig out of that mess, and they're not the 800 pound gorilla anymore where they release bad stuff like the Pentium 4 Netburst architecture and you're just stuck using it anyway.Dec 26 21:49
DaemonFC[m]That entire architecture was about jacking up clock speed as high as possible even though the execution pipeline was so inefficient that the clock rate hardly mattered anymore other than forcing OEMs to contrive heat ducts to keep the computer from crashing all the time, even with budget CPUs.Dec 26 21:50
DaemonFC[m]Intel would get better results from older employees if it retained them because they would remember mistakes that were made and be less inclined to repeat them.Dec 26 22:00
DaemonFC[m]I'd say their hiring practices are a big factor in their current situation where their customers are piling through the exit door and it leaves lawyers barking about how they'll sue everyone with the patents if they move to ARM and try to implement backwards compatibility. Dec 26 22:01
Ariadnei think we can agree that shitty people are hired by technology companies to work on technology, FOSS or otherwiseDec 26 22:01
DaemonFC[m]Would a company that made terrific products be in this predicament? Certainly not.Dec 26 22:01
Ariadneanyway intel sucks for many reasonsDec 26 22:02
Ariadnei look forward to x86 dyingDec 26 22:02
AriadneARM stuff is way more openDec 26 22:02
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft management had to lean on Alex St. John to get rid of the radiation symbol and stop referring to DirectX as the "Manhattan Project", because they did both as jabs against Japanese companies and their gaming consoles.Dec 26 22:02
DaemonFC[m]I mean, really it was uncalled for, referring to events that cost perhaps 200,000 people their lives as some sort of in joke. Dec 26 22:03
DaemonFC[m]They've been far less sensitive than BIG BOOBIES. They've directly referenced slaughter as a war crime as a joke in their products before. Dec 26 22:04
DaemonFC[m]The nuclear attacks against Japan are indefensible as warfare under international law because they violated the principle of proportionality. That is, that warring states have an obligation to directly attack military targets and to minimize civilian harm. It was Total War, which is precisely what the Geneva Conventions were supposed to outlaw. Dec 26 22:06
DaemonFC[m]I don't think there was as much will for Imperial Japan to persist as revisionist history suggests in order to justify the bombings.Dec 26 22:08
DaemonFC[m]Their military was more or less destroyed. A naval blockade would have eventually caused them to surrender. Dec 26 22:09
DaemonFC[m]In the US Civil War, the naval blockades of the south were highly effective.Dec 26 22:09
DaemonFC[m]Eventually they can't get anything in or out and there are no supplies for the war effort, the economy fails, and that's the end of that.Dec 26 22:10
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, one of the more offensive parts of Alex St. John's recruiting memo was that women are all lazing about the house waiting for the husband to bring home a paycheck so they can spend it all and that all men are going to make their career choices based on orders from her. Dec 26 22:13
DaemonFC[m]A healthy relationship does not have one partner screaming and barking orders at the other one, and in the case of Mandy's sister, she does do that to her husband, to the point where she ordered him to come out to our place of residence and stalk us last year.Dec 26 22:13
DaemonFC[m]And you should have seen the look on his face when I came back around in my car and stared at him.Dec 26 22:14
DaemonFC[m]She's big on scheming and lawbreaking and personally I think we'll be better off without her tied to any of this anyway.Dec 26 22:16
DaemonFC[m]Relationship dynamics are bizarre and complex. Dec 26 22:16
DaemonFC[m]I mean, really, if you're fighting about things every day then why are you even still married?Dec 26 22:17
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I can tell you some of the lessons I've learned. One of them being I'm never signing financing documents for a car again.Dec 26 22:18
DaemonFC[m]If I can't pay a cash price for one, nope, not doing it. Even if I have to ride the bus for a few months.Dec 26 22:18
DaemonFC[m]I'm glad that John finally pushed me into bankruptcy, the final push anyway, when he did.Dec 26 22:19
DaemonFC[m]He thought he'd just skip payments and they'd levy my bank account for a car he was driving in another state.Dec 26 22:19
DaemonFC[m]Nope nope.... As soon as I filed the bankruptcy papers, he started making the payments again.Dec 26 22:19
DaemonFC[m]Mom said she polled the women she worked with and more than half of them do not have joint bank accounts with their husbands and most of them don't have access into each other's phones.Dec 26 22:23
DaemonFC[m]Almost no married couples in this country would make it past an immigration officer, were they not already citizens.Dec 26 22:23
MinceRhttps://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/22/7741835e8e9639b2.pngDec 26 22:35
vZS1Nuking civilians is fineDec 26 23:28
vZS1As long as you're the USADec 26 23:28
vZS1Saint FDR could do no wrongDec 26 23:28
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