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schestowitz | vZS1: Now that the government uses "STAT AT HOME" mandates getting a "smart meter" (detecting if you're indoors or not) doesn't seem so smart, does it? | Dec 26 00:06 |
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schestowitz | vZS1: have just checked ipfs bw | Dec 26 00:17 |
schestowitz | it's average 2gb/day outward, 1gb/day inwards | Dec 26 00:17 |
schestowitz | not sure if this is the typical up/down ratio | Dec 26 00:17 |
schestowitz | /dev/root 12437304 6335520 5446964 54% / | Dec 26 00:17 |
schestowitz | this should last a couple of years at this pace | Dec 26 00:17 |
DaemonFC[m] | I seriously doubt Trump thinks he'll be around otherwise he wouldn't be doing so much stuff and in a rush to get it done before the 20th. | Dec 26 00:25 |
DaemonFC[m] | But he's still saying he might be just to fuck with people. | Dec 26 00:25 |
DaemonFC[m] | If the UK is going to lockdown because of this new strain it must be really bad. | Dec 26 00:26 |
DaemonFC[m] | It was only a matter of time, but with spread like this it will overwhelm much faster than a vaccine could possibly get out and slow it down. | Dec 26 00:27 |
schestowitz | But Pfizer says it's under control | Dec 26 00:28 |
schestowitz | that it'll "adapt" | Dec 26 00:28 |
schestowitz | or that it already works | Dec 26 00:28 |
schestowitz | no citation | Dec 26 00:28 |
schestowitz | no data | Dec 26 00:28 |
schestowitz | no evidence | Dec 26 00:28 |
schestowitz | "just keep buying our crap using taxpayers' money" (national debt) | Dec 26 00:28 |
schestowitz | the mutation issue has long been raised | Dec 26 00:28 |
schestowitz | and too little is known about the supposed vaccines, inc. Russia's | Dec 26 00:29 |
schestowitz | I trust Russia's about as much as I trust the 'moderna' one... from Hard-on Inc. | Dec 26 00:29 |
Ariadne | so how about that AT&T datacenter bombing attempt this morning | Dec 26 00:43 |
DaemonFC[m] | Well, they were nice enough to have it announce it would explode and do it when few people were around. | Dec 26 00:44 |
DaemonFC[m] | Kind of not what you'd expect from terrorists, to say the least. | Dec 26 00:44 |
Ariadne | yes, it was a very polite bomb | Dec 26 00:45 |
schestowitz | I read something about an explosion hours ago | Dec 26 00:45 |
schestowitz | and they said they suspected it was deliberate | Dec 26 00:45 |
schestowitz | which town was it again? | Dec 26 00:45 |
DaemonFC[m] | Nashville | Dec 26 00:45 |
Ariadne | of course it was deliberate | Dec 26 00:45 |
schestowitz | yes, that's it | Dec 26 00:45 |
Ariadne | it announced itself as a bomb | Dec 26 00:45 |
Ariadne | and said to evacuate | Dec 26 00:45 |
schestowitz | https://www.themorningsun.com/news/nation-world-news/police-explosion-in-nashville-believed-to-be-intentional/article_4b2df9bd-7215-5124-96e3-9ecbca99597c.html | Dec 26 00:46 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Police: Explosion in Nashville believed to be 'intentional' | Nation and World News | themorningsun.com | Dec 26 00:46 | |
schestowitz | this is the one I saw | Dec 26 00:46 |
schestowitz | blocked in EU by the way | Dec 26 00:46 |
schestowitz | so could not conveniently read any further | Dec 26 00:46 |
schestowitz | thus don't know the details | Dec 26 00:46 |
schestowitz | also blocked in EU https://www.dailyfreeman.com/news/national/police-explosion-in-nashville-may-have-been-intentional/article_ccc049a5-beab-57f7-bfee-48bfa7035741.html | Dec 26 00:46 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Downtown Nashville explosion knocks communications offline | National | dailyfreeman.com | Dec 26 00:46 | |
Ariadne | https://twitter.com/TA32556798/status/1342513650360348676 | Dec 26 00:47 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TA32556798: https://t.co/utlyRt1DIx | Dec 26 00:47 | |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TA32556798: https://t.co/utlyRt1DIx | Dec 26 00:47 | |
Ariadne | this is literally the explosion footage | Dec 26 00:47 |
Ariadne | from some security camera | Dec 26 00:47 |
schestowitz | Trump getting hard-on without pills.... "martial law" | Dec 26 00:49 |
schestowitz | then picks a book about marcos | Dec 26 00:49 |
schestowitz | need JavaScript to watch footage | Dec 26 00:49 |
schestowitz | social control media is devouring everything | Dec 26 00:49 |
Ariadne | use nitter | Dec 26 00:49 |
schestowitz | https://nitter.net/TA32556798/status/1342513650360348676 | Dec 26 00:50 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.net | TA (@TA32556798): "" | nitter | Dec 26 00:50 | |
schestowitz | holy crap | Dec 26 00:51 |
schestowitz | but just noise and light don't say much | Dec 26 00:51 |
Ariadne | the warning message ahead of time | Dec 26 00:51 |
Ariadne | was coming from the bomb itself | Dec 26 00:51 |
CrystalMath | you can also use youtube-dl on twitter links | Dec 26 00:52 |
schestowitz | #UnitedBombersForTrump | Dec 26 00:53 |
CrystalMath | why would a pro-trump bomber do this? | Dec 26 00:53 |
schestowitz | Ariadne: so it was to make a point | Dec 26 00:53 |
schestowitz | like IRA bombing in Manchester | Dec 26 00:53 |
schestowitz | only injuries, no death, as a warning was given | Dec 26 00:54 |
CrystalMath | why in Nashville, the biggest center of Trump support in the US? | Dec 26 00:54 |
schestowitz | either by the planters/planners or a whistleblower | Dec 26 00:54 |
schestowitz | CrystalMath: you answered your own question | Dec 26 00:54 |
schestowitz | Trump support and domestic terrorism are correlated | Dec 26 00:54 |
CrystalMath | but then it was maybe those who hate Trump? | Dec 26 00:55 |
schestowitz | with evidence to show this over the years | Dec 26 00:55 |
schestowitz | cybrNaut: name one terror attack against Trump supporters | Dec 26 00:55 |
schestowitz | you cannot name one | Dec 26 00:55 |
CrystalMath | idk, maybe this one? | Dec 26 00:55 |
schestowitz | punch in face isn't terror | Dec 26 00:55 |
CrystalMath | no i mean this bomb | Dec 26 00:55 |
CrystalMath | on christmas in TN | Dec 26 00:55 |
*schestowitz prepares for funny links | Dec 26 00:55 | |
schestowitz | no, I mean precedents | Dec 26 00:56 |
schestowitz | antifa, for example, killed nobody | Dec 26 00:56 |
schestowitz | unlike the white supermacists antifa opposes | Dec 26 00:56 |
CrystalMath | actually some people did die of injuries after being hurt for wearing a MAGA hat | Dec 26 00:56 |
schestowitz | that's not antifa | Dec 26 00:56 |
schestowitz | so trump fanatics call everything |"antifa" | Dec 26 00:56 |
schestowitz | even rioters for BLM | Dec 26 00:57 |
CrystalMath | did i mention antifa at all? | Dec 26 00:57 |
schestowitz | the context was | Dec 26 00:57 |
CrystalMath | those who hate Trump | Dec 26 00:57 |
CrystalMath | but that's a lot of people | Dec 26 00:57 |
CrystalMath | a LOT of people | Dec 26 00:57 |
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schestowitz | so someone was hit | Dec 26 00:57 |
schestowitz | and hit badly | Dec 26 00:57 |
schestowitz | not run over | Dec 26 00:57 |
schestowitz | unlike what Trump supporters did | Dec 26 00:57 |
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schestowitz | ran over a young lady | Dec 26 00:57 |
schestowitz | and others, who were injured but not fatally | Dec 26 00:58 |
CrystalMath | well, there was also a black woman who is an outspoken trump supporter and anti-abortionist, who got stabbed in the back several times | Dec 26 00:58 |
CrystalMath | but she survived | Dec 26 00:58 |
schestowitz | anyway, let's discard this "bomb was from anti-Trump protester" BS | Dec 26 00:58 |
CrystalMath | i don't agree with her but i don't think she should be stabbed in the back | Dec 26 00:58 |
schestowitz | bbl | Dec 26 00:59 |
schestowitz | going to work, covering for colleague | Dec 26 01:00 |
CrystalMath | i suppose it would be unprecedented, we've never seen anti-trump people use bombs | Dec 26 01:00 |
CrystalMath | but it's also not impossible, as there's a first time for everything | Dec 26 01:00 |
schestowitz | after he was voted out?! | Dec 26 01:02 |
Ariadne | i think it was more likely some idiot who wanted to stop "5G" | Dec 26 01:05 |
DaemonFC[m] | It wouldn't make sense either. | Dec 26 01:06 |
DaemonFC[m] | Trump has a few weeks left. | Dec 26 01:06 |
DaemonFC[m] | Other than some corrupt pardons and bluster, he's finished. | Dec 26 01:06 |
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schestowitz | Ariadne: 5g needs to be stopped | Dec 26 01:14 |
schestowitz | but not for the reason the 5g lobby and patent profiteers want us to think | Dec 26 01:14 |
schestowitz | and not using sabotage | Dec 26 01:14 |
schestowitz | societal breakdown unfolding now | Dec 26 01:15 |
schestowitz | and any dissent is painted as loons with rifles | Dec 26 01:15 |
schestowitz | or people with bad hygiene | Dec 26 01:15 |
schestowitz | typical tactics | Dec 26 01:15 |
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Ariadne | schestowitz: why does 5G need to be stopped? | Dec 26 01:33 |
Ariadne | i agree that mmWave is pointles | Dec 26 01:33 |
Ariadne | s | Dec 26 01:33 |
Ariadne | but 5G is otherwise just a radio access technology. most '5G' is low band | Dec 26 01:34 |
Ariadne | https://about.att.com/pages/disaster_relief/nashville.html | Dec 26 01:34 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-about.att.com | Nashville Recovery Efforts | Dec 26 01:34 | |
Ariadne | in other news | Dec 26 01:34 |
Ariadne | (the real problem with mmWave is that it interferes with weather radar) | Dec 26 01:35 |
MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/721031.jpg | Dec 26 01:36 |
Ariadne | patent minefield is also problematic, but LTE has same problem | Dec 26 01:38 |
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MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/716261.jpg | Dec 26 01:48 |
Ariadne | according to AT&T enterprise customer portal, front 1/3rd of the building is basically demolished | Dec 26 01:49 |
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Ariadne | generators are offline because natural gas lines were isolated | Dec 26 01:49 |
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Ariadne | new generators and diesel fuel are enroute to restore power | Dec 26 01:50 |
Ariadne | but MMR is flooded | Dec 26 01:50 |
Ariadne | soooo | Dec 26 01:50 |
Ariadne | dunno :) | Dec 26 01:50 |
Ariadne | gonna say that situation is well and truly fucked | Dec 26 01:50 |
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MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/716223.jpg | Dec 26 02:13 |
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MinceR | (cat) https://hugelolcdn.com/i/720436.jpg | Dec 26 02:49 |
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schestowitz | [01:34] <Ariadne> but 5G is otherwise just a radio access technology. most '5G' is low band | Dec 26 05:17 |
schestowitz | I mentioned this in a techrights video the other day, maybe 3 days ago | Dec 26 05:17 |
schestowitz | BTW, when do we resume migration efforts and what's the hard deadline (shutdown)? | Dec 26 05:18 |
schestowitz | [01:38] <Ariadne> patent minefield is also problematic, but LTE has same problem | Dec 26 05:19 |
schestowitz | this a false-dichotomy duality? Somebody did this to me a day ago, presenting only two false choices as the inevitability. | Dec 26 05:19 |
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schestowitz | * | Dec 26 05:44 |
schestowitz | /|\ | Dec 26 05:44 |
schestowitz | /*|O\ | Dec 26 05:44 |
schestowitz | /*/|\*\ | Dec 26 05:44 |
schestowitz | /X/O|*\X\ | Dec 26 05:44 |
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schestowitz | /O/*/X|*\O\X\ | Dec 26 05:44 |
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schestowitz | |X| | Dec 26 05:44 |
schestowitz | |X| | Dec 26 05:44 |
schestowitz | (up yours, santa) | Dec 26 05:44 |
schestowitz | https://www.readingeagle.com/coronavirus/hamburg-school-district-to-follow-winter-break-with-a-week-of-virtual-learning-to-stem/article_0e2e6560-4477-11eb-8469-33754a12e54b.html | Dec 26 05:50 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hamburg School District to follow winter break with a week of virtual learning to stem spread of COVID | Coronavirus | readingeagle.com | Dec 26 05:50 | |
schestowitz | only a week? | Dec 26 05:50 |
schestowitz | https://www.pottsmerc.com/news/state/descendant-of-first-african-slaves-discusses-healthcare-disparities-in-patient-safety/article_0b523413-f50e-5b03-a293-f9c3ad93f8c2.html | Dec 26 05:52 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Descendant of First African Slaves Discusses Healthcare Disparities in PATIENT SAFETY | State | pottsmerc.com | Dec 26 05:52 | |
DaemonFC[m] | I didn't have a great plan for dinner so it was steaks with garlic pepper and A1 in the slow cooker and a can of german potato salad. | Dec 26 05:59 |
DaemonFC[m] | This year really sucks. | Dec 26 05:59 |
schestowitz | yes, same here for the dinner part | Dec 26 06:00 |
schestowitz | we bought some items, but the atmosphere is so different | Dec 26 06:00 |
schestowitz | didn't even prepare a 'proper' table | Dec 26 06:00 |
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DaemonFC[m] | https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/pantheon-history-test-of-time/index.html | Dec 26 07:27 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com | The Pantheon: The ancient building still being used after 2,000 years - CNN Style | Dec 26 07:27 | |
DaemonFC[m] | "During the Middle Ages, religious leaders, who were incredulous of the feat, cast doubt on the holiness of the Pantheon, believing it to be the work of the devil. | Dec 26 07:27 |
DaemonFC[m] | But it wasn't Satan; it was engineering." | Dec 26 07:27 |
DaemonFC[m] | Ah yes, the old "I can't explain it therefore Satan.". | Dec 26 07:27 |
vZS1 | I think it's time to start organising anti-lockdown protests | Dec 26 07:53 |
vZS1 | Virtually, at least | Dec 26 07:53 |
vZS1 | They're sabotaging the economy at this point | Dec 26 07:53 |
vZS1 | I've had a look at the data and the lockdowns aren't really helping | Dec 26 07:53 |
vZS1 | Time to bust out the old Tor relay and contact some old friends | Dec 26 07:54 |
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schestowitz | vZS1: just did a video about it | Dec 26 08:56 |
schestowitz | an hour long | Dec 26 08:56 |
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trendoceangd | Hi, | Dec 26 13:17 |
trendoceangd | Please allow me to register on this website | Dec 26 13:18 |
schestowitz | whcih site? | Dec 26 13:22 |
schestowitz | techrights | Dec 26 13:22 |
schestowitz | ? | Dec 26 13:22 |
trendoceangd | yes | Dec 26 13:24 |
schestowitz | to post comments? | Dec 26 13:25 |
trendoceangd | to share content | Dec 26 13:25 |
schestowitz | techrights does not post random submissions, it's not tux machines | Dec 26 13:25 |
trendoceangd | I run blog which specially for linux commnity | Dec 26 13:25 |
trendoceangd | so what's procedure overhere? | Dec 26 13:26 |
schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19743176 | Dec 26 13:26 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The complete guide for #NMAP Command • ᵀᵘˣ ᴹᵃᶜʰⁱⁿᵉˢ ⇨ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/145859 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines | Dec 26 13:26 | |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.tuxmachines.org | The complete guide for NMAP Command | Tux Machines | Dec 26 13:26 | |
schestowitz | Your posts appear in IRC | Dec 26 13:26 |
schestowitz | but at the moment pleroma.site is down | Dec 26 13:26 |
schestowitz | it's part of the fediverse | Dec 26 13:26 |
trendoceangd | Roy you have granted me to post article on tuxright | Dec 26 13:28 |
trendoceangd | thanks for that | Dec 26 13:28 |
trendoceangd | any where else i can share | Dec 26 13:28 |
trendoceangd | like you have TechBytes or many other sites | Dec 26 13:29 |
schestowitz | not many sites | Dec 26 13:34 |
schestowitz | techbytes was our podcast, not abandoned but not recorded for a number of years because my cohost is MIA | Dec 26 13:34 |
trendoceangd | alright | Dec 26 13:36 |
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MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/716222.jpg | Dec 26 15:07 |
schestowitz | http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2020/12/26/ip-federation-expresses-concerns-about-unified-patent-court/ | Dec 26 15:18 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | IP Federation expresses concerns about Unified Patent Court - Kluwer Patent Blog | Dec 26 15:18 | |
schestowitz | " | Dec 26 15:18 |
schestowitz | “we support the UPC being available to non-EU member states including the UK where political will allows.” | Dec 26 15:18 |
schestowitz | The GFCC clarified the UPC is only open to EU member states in its March 2020 press release: | Dec 26 15:18 |
schestowitz | https://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilungen/EN/2020/bvg20-020.html | Dec 26 15:18 |
schestowitz | “The Agreement is open exclusively to EU Member States.” | Dec 26 15:18 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de | Bundesverfassungsgericht - Press - Act of Approval to the Agreement on a Unified Patent Court is void | Dec 26 15:18 | |
schestowitz | " | Dec 26 15:18 |
MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/commandments | Dec 26 15:19 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Commandments | Dec 26 15:19 | |
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MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/eugenics | Dec 26 15:45 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Eugenics | Dec 26 15:45 | |
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schestowitz | vZS1: http://techrights.org/2020/12/26/covid19-boxing-day/ | Dec 26 16:25 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Boxing People | Techrights | Dec 26 16:25 | |
schestowitz | took 'only' 4 hours to upload | Dec 26 16:25 |
MinceR | (cat) (audio:irrelevant) https://i.imgur.com/q40WtM4.mp4 | Dec 26 16:29 |
scientes | MinceR, my god that is a big litter | Dec 26 16:32 |
MinceR | a commenter suggests it's 2 moms and 2 litters | Dec 26 16:32 |
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scientes | its one litter now hahahahahaha | Dec 26 16:37 |
MinceR | :> | Dec 26 16:37 |
scientes | at least they don't need clothes | Dec 26 16:39 |
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schestowitz | [16:32] <MinceR> a commenter suggests it's 2 moms and 2 litters | Dec 26 17:00 |
schestowitz | they hug | Dec 26 17:00 |
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schestowitz | Finland : free 90-day trial | Dec 26 17:28 |
schestowitz | Dec 26 17:28 | |
schestowitz | A bit too late, and at Grauniad, and thus not in the regular links, | Dec 26 17:28 |
schestowitz | https://www.helsinkibusinesshub.fi/90-day-finn-application/ | Dec 26 17:28 |
schestowitz | https://www.helsinkibusinesshub.fi/90-day-finn-terms-and-conditions/ | Dec 26 17:28 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.helsinkibusinesshub.fi | 90 day Finn Application - Helsinki Business Hub | Dec 26 17:28 | |
schestowitz | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/25/thousands-apply-to-be-a-finn-for-90-days-in-migration-scheme | Dec 26 17:28 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.helsinkibusinesshub.fi | 90 day Finn terms and conditions - Helsinki Business Hub | Dec 26 17:28 | |
schestowitz | (sent to me) | Dec 26 17:28 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Thousands apply to be a Finn for 90 days in migration scheme | Finland | The Guardian | Dec 26 17:28 | |
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Ariadne | [22:19:56] <schestowitz> this a false-dichotomy duality? Somebody did this to me a day ago, presenting only two false choices as the inevitability. | Dec 26 17:56 |
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Ariadne | there is no patent-free radio technology that has the same capabilities as either LTE or 5G NR | Dec 26 17:56 |
Ariadne | obviously, if there were that would be great | Dec 26 17:56 |
scientes | Finland not a bad country | Dec 26 18:01 |
schestowitz | has Trump applied? | Dec 26 18:14 |
schestowitz | it's part of Russia, apparently | Dec 26 18:14 |
schestowitz | Ariadne: patent law needs to change | Dec 26 18:14 |
schestowitz | also, some tech isn't a net benefit | Dec 26 18:14 |
scientes | what about fishing nets | Dec 26 18:18 |
scientes | I think those are a net benifit | Dec 26 18:18 |
XRevan86 | I heard that Russia is the last place the Finnish would rather immigrate to. | Dec 26 18:19 |
XRevan86 | there's something beautiful about that | Dec 26 18:19 |
scientes | a fuck load of wars | Dec 26 18:19 |
MinceR | 26 190153 < scientes> Finland not a bad country | Dec 26 18:19 |
MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baHsoEAAMZU | Dec 26 18:19 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Monty Python - Finland (Official Lyric Video) - YouTube | Dec 26 18:19 | |
scientes | but I like Georgia | Dec 26 18:20 |
scientes | XRevan86, Georgia has similar feelings regarding Russia | Dec 26 18:20 |
scientes | (as you of course know) | Dec 26 18:21 |
XRevan86 | scientes: I feel like with Finland it's a lot stronger. | Dec 26 18:21 |
Ariadne | schestowitz: i agree that some tech is not a net benefit. the side effects of constantly being connected to the internet have not been positive for society at large imo | Dec 26 18:21 |
schestowitz | yup | Dec 26 18:21 |
scientes | XRevan86, yeah I suspect too, but you are much closes | Dec 26 18:21 |
schestowitz | Ariadne: maybe it's worth doing a video about | Dec 26 18:21 |
schestowitz | we've added more videos lately | Dec 26 18:22 |
XRevan86 | scientes: Both because Finland is in a good shape and because the neighbouring region of Russia is in an extremely bad shape. | Dec 26 18:22 |
schestowitz | I run low on disk space in /home | Dec 26 18:22 |
scientes | XRevan86, I hear Finland like St. Petersberg Scotland regard elopements | Dec 26 18:22 |
Ariadne | this is one thing i find fascinating about stallman, he keeps his internet usage to a minimum | Dec 26 18:22 |
XRevan86 | It makes the difference so much more apparent, because there's no good reason for such disparity. | Dec 26 18:23 |
scientes | Ariadne, he gets made fun of for it, but I admire it, actually | Dec 26 18:23 |
XRevan86 | in fact it should be the other way around, because Russia is orders of magnitude richer and more powerful | Dec 26 18:23 |
scientes | XRevan86, pride of ownership | Dec 26 18:23 |
schestowitz | he uses the net for email | Dec 26 18:23 |
schestowitz | tbh, he can find better information in books | Dec 26 18:23 |
schestowitz | more reliable, more thought through | Dec 26 18:24 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: A very… regex'able song. | Dec 26 18:24 |
XRevan86 | s/Finland/Scotland/g | Dec 26 18:24 |
Ariadne | either way though, 5G itself is not more or less harmful than LTE (other than mmWave interfering with weather radar) | Dec 26 18:25 |
XRevan86 | s/Finland/Iceland/g | Dec 26 18:25 |
Ariadne | i think weather radar is more important than 5G mmWave | Dec 26 18:25 |
scientes | XRevan86, i just heard that it is much easier to marry in Finland, than Russia | Dec 26 18:25 |
Ariadne | weather radar saves lives, for example | Dec 26 18:25 |
scientes | so people cross the border | Dec 26 18:25 |
scientes | similar to Scotland in Pride and Prejudice | Dec 26 18:26 |
XRevan86 | scientes: In what way? | Dec 26 18:27 |
scientes | XRevan86, you cross the border, get married, and then register it at the russian embassy | Dec 26 18:28 |
XRevan86 | Didn't know there can be complications with getting married… | Dec 26 18:28 |
MinceR | XRevan86: lol | Dec 26 18:31 |
scientes | XRevan86, have you been to Finland? | Dec 26 18:32 |
XRevan86 | scientes: no | Dec 26 18:32 |
scientes | there is that St Petersbefg-Helsinki-Stockholm cruise ship | Dec 26 18:32 |
Ariadne | schestowitz: regarding migration, i will probably resume that this evening. have just been working on writing my own wayland compositor so i can have a stable desktop | Dec 26 18:35 |
schestowitz | cool :-) | Dec 26 18:35 |
Ariadne | so far i've built a compositor that you can drive a tank through | Dec 26 18:35 |
schestowitz | I hope my fear of a deadline is unfounded | Dec 26 18:36 |
Ariadne | instead of fail fast, this thing is fail never | Dec 26 18:36 |
Ariadne | we have this week to get it done | Dec 26 18:36 |
schestowitz | kde on debian buster is SUPER stable for me/ | Dec 26 18:36 |
Ariadne | i'll just migrate the VM images as they are and containerize from there | Dec 26 18:36 |
scientes | Ariadne, have you checked out phosh? | Dec 26 18:36 |
scientes | and have you checked out enlightenment? | Dec 26 18:36 |
schestowitz | Ariadne: good plan | Dec 26 18:36 |
Ariadne | scientes: those don't do what i want, so i wrote my own | Dec 26 18:36 |
schestowitz | btw, side note, the gym is shut until jan 9th | Dec 26 18:37 |
schestowitz | so until then I will have LOADS of spare time :-) | Dec 26 18:37 |
Ariadne | cool | Dec 26 18:37 |
scientes | but everything has been nationalized in Europe | Dec 26 18:38 |
schestowitz | privatised | Dec 26 18:40 |
scientes | same thing, right? | Dec 26 18:41 |
scientes | hahahahahahaha | Dec 26 18:41 |
scientes | Under every rock lurks a politician. | Dec 26 18:41 |
schestowitz | there was a time when things were turned over to the public | Dec 26 18:44 |
schestowitz | nhs is post ww2 thing | Dec 26 18:44 |
schestowitz | now they chop it down and outsource for private profits | Dec 26 18:44 |
scientes | spain nationalized all the healthcare system | Dec 26 18:44 |
scientes | so did italy | Dec 26 18:44 |
schestowitz | because... "neoliberalism" or whatever yanks call it | Dec 26 18:44 |
scientes | Under every rock lurks a politician. | Dec 26 18:44 |
schestowitz | xmas eve: https://thegrayzone.com/2020/12/24/pseudo-left-imperialists-healthcare/ | Dec 26 18:45 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thegrayzone.com | Meet the pseudo-left imperialists fighting against universal healthcare | The Grayzone | Dec 26 18:45 | |
vZS1 | Campinos shouting | Dec 26 18:46 |
vZS1 | Why isn't he fired? | Dec 26 18:46 |
vZS1 | If a staff member shouted at him they'd be fired | Dec 26 18:46 |
vZS1 | Surely that's in violation of some policy? | Dec 26 18:47 |
schestowitz | you are new to epo :-) | Dec 26 18:48 |
schestowitz | the presidents violate their own rules | Dec 26 18:48 |
schestowitz | staff reps point that out | Dec 26 18:48 |
schestowitz | and then get unwarranted bollocking | Dec 26 18:48 |
vZS1 | Who is their superior? | Dec 26 18:48 |
schestowitz | whose? | Dec 26 18:48 |
vZS1 | The president | Dec 26 18:48 |
schestowitz | nobody. they are above the law. that's the very heart of the scandal | Dec 26 18:49 |
schestowitz | they steal billions | Dec 26 18:49 |
schestowitz | and nobody holds them accountable | Dec 26 18:49 |
schestowitz | not even the commission | Dec 26 18:49 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/12/01/the-breton-coverup/ | Dec 26 18:49 |
vZS1 | Had nobody filed a report to the commission? | Dec 26 18:49 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | European Commission’s Thierry Breton Covers Up EPO Corruption For His Friend Benoît Battistelli | Techrights | Dec 26 18:49 | |
schestowitz | vZS1: care to proofread/factcheck my new ipfs post? | Dec 26 18:49 |
schestowitz | draft, can be posted any second | Dec 26 18:49 |
vZS1 | Has* | Dec 26 18:49 |
vZS1 | Sure | Dec 26 18:50 |
schestowitz | vZS1: they did | Dec 26 18:50 |
schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/07/18/collusion-and-coverup/ | Dec 26 18:50 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Thierry Breton and the European Commission Must Answer Perfectly Legitimate Questions About European Patent Office Corruption | Techrights | Dec 26 18:50 | |
schestowitz | the above link (12/01) is the Commission's non-response | Dec 26 18:50 |
schestowitz | it's run by a corrupt mole | Dec 26 18:50 |
schestowitz | vZS1: http://techrights.org/2020/12/26/www-social-control/ | Dec 26 18:51 |
schestowitz | fast | Dec 26 18:51 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The World Wide Web (or Worldwide Empire): Optimised for Social Control Media | Techrights | Dec 26 18:51 | |
scientes | we’ve long gone in the opposite direction (EME, AMP, SPDY etc.) | Dec 26 18:53 |
scientes | hahahaha | Dec 26 18:53 |
scientes | SPDY is old | Dec 26 18:53 |
scientes | we have HTTP 3 now | Dec 26 18:53 |
scientes | which doesn't even use TCP | Dec 26 18:53 |
vZS1 | > not only a Web site but a resources broadly available in a peer-to-peer fashion. | Dec 26 18:53 |
XRevan86 | scientes: SPDY is HTTP/2 now. | Dec 26 18:53 |
scientes | both are excessively complex, with no interest in being easily implementable | Dec 26 18:53 |
schestowitz | yes, it is | Dec 26 18:53 |
schestowitz | beat me to it | Dec 26 18:53 |
vZS1 | I'm guessing you mean resource* | Dec 26 18:53 |
vZS1 | s/resources/resource | Dec 26 18:53 |
schestowitz | cheers | Dec 26 18:54 |
schestowitz | http/2 is part of the problem | Dec 26 18:54 |
schestowitz | marketed as "SPEED" | Dec 26 18:54 |
XRevan86 | Well, it delivers. | Dec 26 18:54 |
schestowitz | and complexity | Dec 26 18:54 |
schestowitz | where none is truly needed | Dec 26 18:54 |
schestowitz | reminds me of systemd | Dec 26 18:54 |
XRevan86 | It's how TLS-encrypted HTTP can get on a par with clear text. | Dec 26 18:54 |
schestowitz | you overcomplicate things and debugging can be a pain, for users a devs alike | Dec 26 18:54 |
schestowitz | except for ibm staff | Dec 26 18:54 |
vZS1 | We're still not fully there yet | Dec 26 18:55 |
vZS1 | TR doesn't use IPNS | Dec 26 18:55 |
XRevan86 | With TLS-encrypted HTTP/1 complexity is moved to the frameworks, that then bundle everything into one mega-file. | Dec 26 18:55 |
vZS1 | You're still on DNS | Dec 26 18:55 |
XRevan86 | to reduce the amount of connections | Dec 26 18:55 |
vZS1 | We should make an IPNS object for the TR index | Dec 26 18:56 |
XRevan86 | Don't know if WordPress still does it. Maybe they stopped, because HTTP/2. | Dec 26 18:56 |
vZS1 | schestowitz: I can write an IPNS how-to for TR like I did for IPFS | Dec 26 18:57 |
vZS1 | Give me a couple weeks | Dec 26 18:57 |
schestowitz | cheers | Dec 26 18:57 |
schestowitz | we move servers/dc soon | Dec 26 18:57 |
schestowitz | maybe this evening, Ariadne says | Dec 26 18:57 |
schestowitz | if she finds time | Dec 26 18:57 |
vZS1 | TLS's trust model is a joke | Dec 26 18:58 |
vZS1 | X.509 rather | Dec 26 18:58 |
DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft HTTP + S&M | Dec 26 18:59 |
MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/satan | Dec 26 18:59 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Satan | Dec 26 18:59 | |
vZS1 | Certificate "authorities" have kidnapped and monopolised the trust system. Browsers enable them | Dec 26 19:00 |
vZS1 | So now you just have to play by their rules | Dec 26 19:01 |
vZS1 | Same happened to DNS | Dec 26 19:01 |
vZS1 | And email | Dec 26 19:01 |
vZS1 | They really went for the throat | Dec 26 19:04 |
XRevan86 | Anyway, the big idea behind HTTP/2 is to establish a connection to the server just once, and so the overhead from TLS handshake occurs only once. | Dec 26 19:04 |
vZS1 | It's over now. You really can't be free on the web | Dec 26 19:04 |
CrystalMath | vZS1: why not? | Dec 26 19:04 |
CrystalMath | i never use HTTP/2 | Dec 26 19:04 |
CrystalMath | because elinks doesn't support it :P | Dec 26 19:04 |
CrystalMath | nor does lynx | Dec 26 19:04 |
CrystalMath | i also sometimes use HTTP/1.0 browsers | Dec 26 19:05 |
vZS1 | They've kidnapped the standards and central infrastructure | Dec 26 19:05 |
CrystalMath | who cares about standards | Dec 26 19:05 |
vZS1 | HTTP has been successfully kidnapped as well | Dec 26 19:06 |
CrystalMath | i mean, sure, there are problems that you need to bypass | Dec 26 19:06 |
CrystalMath | like cloudflare | Dec 26 19:06 |
CrystalMath | cloudflare is indeed a real threat | Dec 26 19:06 |
CrystalMath | but it really has nothing to do with TLS | Dec 26 19:06 |
CrystalMath | as it really hijacks everything to the point that TLS is pointless | Dec 26 19:06 |
vZS1 | Google went and made HTTP3 more optimised for stuff like YouTube | Dec 26 19:06 |
CrystalMath | and? | Dec 26 19:06 |
CrystalMath | just use HTTP 1.1 | Dec 26 19:07 |
schestowitz | and for Chrome | Dec 26 19:07 |
schestowitz | youtube still takes ages to load up on anything but google's pwn chrome | Dec 26 19:07 |
CrystalMath | screw HTTP 2, let alone HTTP 3 | Dec 26 19:07 |
schestowitz | mozilla accused them of doing that deliberately, iirc | Dec 26 19:07 |
XRevan86 | HTTP/2 is awesome, don't know about HTTP/3 | Dec 26 19:07 |
schestowitz | and then the same for google maps and streetview | Dec 26 19:07 |
scientes | <schestowitz> youtube still takes ages to load up on anything but google's pwn chrome | Dec 26 19:07 |
scientes | schestowitz, it was Microsoft | Dec 26 19:07 |
scientes | they gave it as the reason they had to drop their own browser | Dec 26 19:07 |
XRevan86 | reinventing TCP is a bit much to my taste | Dec 26 19:08 |
CrystalMath | XRevan86: yeah but it's not so easy to implement in simple browsers | Dec 26 19:08 |
scientes | schestowitz, if you change the UA in Firefox YouTube fails to load | Dec 26 19:08 |
schestowitz | scientes: right. yes, it was MSFT | Dec 26 19:08 |
schestowitz | the hypocrites | Dec 26 19:08 |
XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Simple browsers usually don't have much to take from it. | Dec 26 19:08 |
schestowitz | who 'warm up' Office to fake startup 'performance' | Dec 26 19:08 |
scientes | basically Google hates that they have to support an open platform | Dec 26 19:08 |
CrystalMath | XRevan86: true, so i just use HTTP 1.1 | Dec 26 19:08 |
scientes | so making YouTube only support Firefox With Hacks is their passive-agressive way of showing their hate for people | Dec 26 19:09 |
XRevan86 | CrystalMath: As long as your servers support HTTP/2, I don't mind :) | Dec 26 19:09 |
scientes | XRevan86, HTTP/1.1 | Dec 26 19:09 |
XRevan86 | Unless it's a single page with no pictures, CSS or anything, then I won't mind as well | Dec 26 19:09 |
CrystalMath | as for me, i should make a nice website | Dec 26 19:09 |
CrystalMath | in HTML 3.1 Strict | Dec 26 19:09 |
CrystalMath | no JS, no CSS | Dec 26 19:09 |
scientes | It pisses me off how people are dumping IRC for these "cool new technologies" | Dec 26 19:10 |
scientes | that are basically just IRC, but slower | Dec 26 19:10 |
CrystalMath | scientes: so don't | Dec 26 19:10 |
schestowitz | matrix *cough* | Dec 26 19:10 |
schestowitz | even fedora wrote about it this week | Dec 26 19:10 |
schestowitz | poor fedora using 'old' IRC | Dec 26 19:10 |
schestowitz | tbf, they say they're working on making the 'new' thing compatible with irc | Dec 26 19:10 |
scientes | Mozilla did it for discord | Dec 26 19:10 |
scientes | but I can't use it | Dec 26 19:10 |
scientes | with IRC you can find people and talk directly | Dec 26 19:10 |
scientes | it is amazing | Dec 26 19:10 |
schestowitz | dicord is proprietary | Dec 26 19:11 |
CrystalMath | discord is complete crap | Dec 26 19:11 |
scientes | ^^^ | Dec 26 19:11 |
CrystalMath | but | Dec 26 19:11 |
schestowitz | like slack, pronounced "shit" | Dec 26 19:11 |
scientes | complete crap | Dec 26 19:11 |
CrystalMath | mozilla has a channel on freenode | Dec 26 19:11 |
vZS1 | HTTP2 is binary | Dec 26 19:11 |
schestowitz | soon "shitforce" | Dec 26 19:11 |
vZS1 | So it's a PITA | Dec 26 19:11 |
scientes | CrystalMath, they use to have their own IRC server, for decades | Dec 26 19:11 |
vZS1 | HTTP1 is plaintext | Dec 26 19:11 |
scientes | and all the devs were on it | Dec 26 19:11 |
vZS1 | A lot simpler to debug | Dec 26 19:11 |
XRevan86 | vZS1: It's also meant to be encrypted. | Dec 26 19:11 |
schestowitz | for some sites encryption is not important | Dec 26 19:12 |
XRevan86 | don't know how you're planning to read HTTP/2 when it's behind encryption | Dec 26 19:12 |
schestowitz | it slows things down for no real benefit | Dec 26 19:12 |
schestowitz | because they can see what ip you connect to anyway | Dec 26 19:12 |
XRevan86 | Without encryption HTTP/2 is not used. | Dec 26 19:12 |
vZS1 | Encryption should happen elsewhere | Dec 26 19:12 |
schestowitz | so they know what sites you read and when, how long for... | Dec 26 19:12 |
CrystalMath | schestowitz: also cloudware hijacks the encryption anyway | Dec 26 19:12 |
CrystalMath | you only encrypt up to cloudflare | Dec 26 19:12 |
CrystalMath | that's the real threat to the web | Dec 26 19:12 |
schestowitz | clownflare | Dec 26 19:12 |
schestowitz | the packet circus | Dec 26 19:13 |
vZS1 | Shoehorning encryption into a protocol tells me enough about how good they are at designing systems | Dec 26 19:13 |
CrystalMath | clownflare, nice | Dec 26 19:13 |
schestowitz | https is just http | Dec 26 19:13 |
schestowitz | with tls around it | Dec 26 19:13 |
vZS1 | Probably thought "separation of concerns" is just another buzzword | Dec 26 19:13 |
schestowitz | lots of gzip on the web, too | Dec 26 19:13 |
scientes | <schestowitz> clownflare | Dec 26 19:14 |
scientes | hahahahaha | Dec 26 19:14 |
scientes | they have a passive-agressive thing against Tor too | Dec 26 19:14 |
scientes | the internet is full of passive-agressive actors | Dec 26 19:14 |
scientes | Clownflare vs. Tor | Dec 26 19:14 |
scientes | YouTube vs. Firefox | Dec 26 19:14 |
schestowitz | eff hates pgp | Dec 26 19:14 |
vZS1 | But that's what happens when you have idiots stuffed into the committees that define standards | Dec 26 19:14 |
schestowitz | gpg also | Dec 26 19:14 |
schestowitz | the whole efail hype | Dec 26 19:14 |
schestowitz | over messages that are not messages | Dec 26 19:15 |
schestowitz | but web pages pretending to be mails ^_^ | Dec 26 19:15 |
schestowitz | and then eff shilled for MS-hosted signal | Dec 26 19:15 |
schestowitz | which requires a phone number and stuff | Dec 26 19:15 |
schestowitz | stuff eff | Dec 26 19:15 |
schestowitz | they're done | Dec 26 19:15 |
schestowitz | merry xmas | Dec 26 19:15 |
scientes | well yeah | Dec 26 19:15 |
vZS1 | HTTP 1.1 was 1997. We still had real hackers calling most of the shots back then | Dec 26 19:16 |
scientes | another example of Under every rock lurks a politician. | Dec 26 19:16 |
vZS1 | HTTP 2 was 2015 | Dec 26 19:16 |
vZS1 | IIRC | Dec 26 19:16 |
scientes | vZS1, and apache's initial page was "It works!" | Dec 26 19:16 |
vZS1 | By then the committees were already stuffed with morons | Dec 26 19:16 |
scientes | vZS1, SPDY/HTTP2 has a silly gzip dictionary as part of the standard, and every release changed that dictionary, with no real explination of why the dictionary was any good | Dec 26 19:17 |
smnthermes | > [16:14:42] scientes: Clownflare vs. Tor | Dec 26 19:18 |
smnthermes | Mozilla loves Clownflare | Dec 26 19:18 |
scientes | and HTTP3 is just insanely complicated, even just the wire protocol, before they stuff TCP and TLS on top of it | Dec 26 19:19 |
smnthermes | Despite integrating Tor Browser features in Firefox | Dec 26 19:19 |
vZS1 | Tor is already being dismantled | Dec 26 19:19 |
scientes | ^^^^ | Dec 26 19:19 |
vZS1 | They fired the real Tor hackers | Dec 26 19:19 |
vZS1 | I didn't even know until schestowitz told me | Dec 26 19:19 |
scientes | makes sense | Dec 26 19:20 |
MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/22/57f22cd4efc51b6d.jpg | Dec 26 19:20 |
vZS1 | Mozilla is actively fucking everything good we got from it | Dec 26 19:20 |
scientes | the internet is unbelievably controlled these days | Dec 26 19:20 |
scientes | https://mashable.com/article/tor-foundation-coronavirus-layoffs/ | Dec 26 19:20 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mashable.com | Tor lays off staff as privacy takes another coronavirus-induced hit | Dec 26 19:20 | |
vZS1 | Thunderbird, Firefox, Tor (originally not Mozilla) | Dec 26 19:20 |
scientes | MinceR, nice | Dec 26 19:21 |
scientes | XRevan86, | Dec 26 19:21 |
scientes | <MinceR> https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/22/57f22cd4efc51b6d.jpg | Dec 26 19:21 |
scientes | hahahahaha | Dec 26 19:21 |
DaemonFC[m] | Stuff the entire internet protocol stack and gzip into HTTP why not. | Dec 26 19:21 |
vZS1 | Pretty much what they're doing | Dec 26 19:22 |
DaemonFC[m] | Every godawful thing they can think of goes in now and the next terrible ideas, well, that's why there's versioning. | Dec 26 19:22 |
schestowitz | >>> curl site_page.zip | unzip | sudo sh - | Dec 26 19:22 |
vZS1 | Lmao | Dec 26 19:22 |
schestowitz | forgot a dash | Dec 26 19:22 |
schestowitz | totallty secure | Dec 26 19:22 |
schestowitz | runme.bat | Dec 26 19:22 |
schestowitz | run my butt | Dec 26 19:23 |
DaemonFC[m] | I'm trying to get our immigration stuff into some sort of order so I can send it off to FedEx to be printed. | Dec 26 19:23 |
DaemonFC[m] | It would be great had Maricel not ran off our attorney but it is what it is and I just have to peck around the web gathering as much data and evidence as I can hit them with at the meeting. | Dec 26 19:23 |
vZS1 | Look at the name | Dec 26 19:25 |
vZS1 | Hypertext Transfer Protocol | Dec 26 19:26 |
vZS1 | Should just transfer hypertext | Dec 26 19:26 |
DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, well, originally the idea was that ftp would handle files. | Dec 26 19:26 |
DaemonFC[m] | But then Google unilaterally decided to end ftp, which was a pretty big mess, but as Mozilla stated, you could fix a lot of that by just removing support for ancient implementations that nobody would be using today. | Dec 26 19:27 |
DaemonFC[m] | Like the ones from Windows for Workgroups. | Dec 26 19:27 |
vZS1 | FTP is still a good protocol | Dec 26 19:27 |
vZS1 | I use it still | Dec 26 19:27 |
DaemonFC[m] | Well, Google can't force people to shut down their FTP servers, but if it requires specialized software to access, then most people won't be using it. | Dec 26 19:28 |
vZS1 | That's a good point | Dec 26 19:28 |
DaemonFC[m] | All they really need to do is remove FTP from Chrome and then not index FTP servers in Google Search and it's effectively gone. | Dec 26 19:28 |
vZS1 | Pretty much | Dec 26 19:28 |
schestowitz | same for rss | Dec 26 19:28 |
schestowitz | before chrome arrived | Dec 26 19:28 |
schestowitz | firefox made rss very popular for a whole | Dec 26 19:28 |
schestowitz | *while (not anymore) | Dec 26 19:28 |
vZS1 | There's still hope though | Dec 26 19:29 |
vZS1 | BitTorrent and IPFS make file sharing pretty easy | Dec 26 19:29 |
schestowitz | maybe the next covid 'stimulus' bill will ban those | Dec 26 19:29 |
DaemonFC[m] | BitTorrent traffic is increasingly scrutinized by ISPs even if there is no copyright complaints. | Dec 26 19:29 |
vZS1 | But I still prefer ftp in some cases | Dec 26 19:30 |
schestowitz | "g5 does not cause covid, ipfs does," said Moscow Mitch | Dec 26 19:30 |
vZS1 | FTP is an elegant protocol | Dec 26 19:30 |
DaemonFC[m] | They'll at least log what you transfer and slow it down to "improve the quality of their network" for people trying to watch Netflix. | Dec 26 19:30 |
vZS1 | It's a lot simpler than P2P | Dec 26 19:30 |
DaemonFC[m] | Beats investing in pesky upgrades so it works well for everyone who is paying them. | Dec 26 19:30 |
scientes | but http/1.1 is more efficient | Dec 26 19:30 |
DaemonFC[m] | Then they can invest in bribes and dividends and bonuses. | Dec 26 19:30 |
vZS1 | You can't really filter traffic when it's encrypted | Dec 26 19:30 |
scientes | and also lacks annoying state machine of ftp | Dec 26 19:30 |
DaemonFC[m] | No, which is why VPNs have a lot of value even on Windows. | Dec 26 19:31 |
scientes | ftp is stateful which makes it disliked | Dec 26 19:31 |
DaemonFC[m] | It does put a stop to your ISP being able to selectively meddle with your traffic. | Dec 26 19:31 |
vZS1 | You can just get your torrent client to do "encrypted only" | Dec 26 19:31 |
DaemonFC[m] | And it's the ISP level where things go hideously wrong as far as copyright alerts and stuff. | Dec 26 19:31 |
DaemonFC[m] | Protocol Encryption in BitTorrent is basically useless. | Dec 26 19:31 |
DaemonFC[m] | It got around some early network throttling techniques, but it only encrypts headers, not the entire stream, and it's easy to analyze and figure out what it is. | Dec 26 19:32 |
scientes | I tend to use sftp | Dec 26 19:32 |
scientes | as I already have it set up | Dec 26 19:32 |
schestowitz | all use sftp | Dec 26 19:32 |
scientes | and network file systems universally sucks | Dec 26 19:32 |
schestowitz | not when you say ftp people assume over ssh | Dec 26 19:33 |
DaemonFC[m] | I think the future of BitTorrent is over VPN services because without that you're not going to last long. | Dec 26 19:33 |
scientes | sftp just works | Dec 26 19:33 |
DaemonFC[m] | With copyright strikes and this kangaroo court they're setting up. | Dec 26 19:33 |
schestowitz | i set up some ftp servers for clients | Dec 26 19:33 |
schestowitz | and yes, stfp, we leave out the s | Dec 26 19:33 |
vZS1 | There's no hard evidence that ISPs can filter out encrypted torrenting | Dec 26 19:33 |
vZS1 | That's propaganda | Dec 26 19:33 |
scientes | sftp is a totally different protocol | Dec 26 19:33 |
DaemonFC[m] | Losing your internet account is small beans compared with scattershot lawsuits in front of an arbitration board. | Dec 26 19:33 |
schestowitz | it's sftp + extra, no? | Dec 26 19:34 |
scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH_File_Transfer_Protocol | Dec 26 19:34 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | SSH File Transfer Protocol - Wikipedia | Dec 26 19:34 | |
DaemonFC[m] | They'll just hit you with dozens or hundreds of lawsuits, all demanding $30,000 each, and then it'll be worse than what we have now. | Dec 26 19:34 |
schestowitz | "SFTP (SSH File Transfer Protocol) is a protocol built SSH to transfer files securely. By using the SSH transport layer, SFTP can securely move large amounts of data over an internet connection. ... It uses the SSH authentication and cryptographic capabilities to keep files safe during the transfer process." | Dec 26 19:34 |
vZS1 | All this "deep packet inspection" is bullshittery | Dec 26 19:35 |
DaemonFC[m] | We're going to see a lot of people get ambushed by these and they'll have to declare bankruptcy. | Dec 26 19:35 |
scientes | vZS1, it is universally implemented these days | Dec 26 19:35 |
schestowitz | ah, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTPS | Dec 26 19:35 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | FTPS - Wikipedia | Dec 26 19:35 | |
DaemonFC[m] | I implemented firewall rules back when Comcrap was using Sandvine. | Dec 26 19:35 |
schestowitz | vZS1: dpi = "HEY HI!! | Dec 26 19:35 |
schestowitz | 'we grep stuff' | Dec 26 19:35 |
DaemonFC[m] | It was pretty clumsy. You couldn't tell which reset packets were fake or real so you just dropped all of them being sent to your bittorrent client and let it sort out the mess as the file became corrupt and needed recovering. | Dec 26 19:36 |
DaemonFC[m] | It caused a lot of excess CPU usage. | Dec 26 19:36 |
scientes | and now they give us https and say "we are protecting you" | Dec 26 19:36 |
schestowitz | from the rushhhhan | Dec 26 19:36 |
scientes | "we are protecting your from yourself" | Dec 26 19:36 |
vZS1 | Let them spew their bullshit | Dec 26 19:36 |
vZS1 | I've not got the energy to call it all out | Dec 26 19:36 |
schestowitz | facebook protects you from 'chinese virus' | Dec 26 19:36 |
schestowitz | so only fb and partners can see the "goods" | Dec 26 19:37 |
DaemonFC[m] | I was using a lot of direct download sites at the motel. | Dec 26 19:37 |
schestowitz | microsoft gets all of fb data | Dec 26 19:37 |
DaemonFC[m] | I had Opera installed because few people were using them with Opera VPN, and so I could have several downloads going at once that way. | Dec 26 19:37 |
schestowitz | opera 'vpn' | Dec 26 19:37 |
schestowitz | in china :-) | Dec 26 19:37 |
schestowitz | opera is both proprietary | Dec 26 19:37 |
schestowitz | and chinese nopw | Dec 26 19:37 |
vZS1 | schestowitz: a PR rep was trying to teach me about GPG yesterday. | Dec 26 19:37 |
schestowitz | not scandinadian | Dec 26 19:37 |
scientes | "stay inside, the world is a scary place" | Dec 26 19:38 |
vZS1 | I smiled and nodded | Dec 26 19:38 |
schestowitz | even opera's founder lost interest and started a different browser | Dec 26 19:38 |
vZS1 | :D | Dec 26 19:38 |
schestowitz | and now they offer 'free' email | Dec 26 19:38 |
schestowitz | to harvest you | Dec 26 19:38 |
DaemonFC[m] | Mandy just shouts bing bong ching chong and laughs now because of south park. | Dec 26 19:38 |
schestowitz | and sell the data | Dec 26 19:38 |
scientes | we are living in a real-life bubble-boy world | Dec 26 19:38 |
schestowitz | (vivaldick( | Dec 26 19:38 |
scientes | remember that movie? | Dec 26 19:38 |
scientes | bubble boy? | Dec 26 19:38 |
DaemonFC[m] | I don't know if he gets it that to a lot of these stupid fucking morons that voted for Trump, there's not a nickel's worth of difference between the Philippines and China. | Dec 26 19:38 |
DaemonFC[m] | THey probably couldn't put at either on a map. | Dec 26 19:38 |
schestowitz | scientes: it was also in seinfeld | Dec 26 19:39 |
schestowitz | was | Dec 26 19:39 |
DaemonFC[m] | Let's just hate Asians because that's what the industrial strength adulterer 6 time bankrupt from GOD wants. | Dec 26 19:39 |
schestowitz | until george killed him | Dec 26 19:39 |
scientes | NO SOUP 4 U | Dec 26 19:39 |
schestowitz | come back, 4 months1 | Dec 26 19:39 |
schestowitz | ! | Dec 26 19:39 |
vZS1 | All Asians are evil. Don't ya know? | Dec 26 19:39 |
DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: If immigration asks about my bankruptcy I might just say "The former administration had 6, soon to be 7. | Dec 26 19:39 |
schestowitz | vZS1: that's like half the people on the planet! | Dec 26 19:40 |
DaemonFC[m] | Besides, I'm working on the rebound. I agree that credit ratings are mostly bullshit, but if you can stay over 600 you'll at least be able to rent an apartment. | Dec 26 19:40 |
scientes | sucky sucky 5 yuen you get chinese disease | Dec 26 19:40 |
vZS1 | Half the planet is evil! | Dec 26 19:41 |
scientes | vZS1, sounds about right | Dec 26 19:41 |
schestowitz | that's optimistic | Dec 26 19:41 |
schestowitz | ask MinceR | Dec 26 19:41 |
schestowitz | he's the 'expert' | Dec 26 19:41 |
DaemonFC[m] | That's why I've been quiet as a mouse here. Don't want to rub the landlord the wrong way after he basically looked the other way at a dicey situation. | Dec 26 19:41 |
scientes | to have good you must have evil | Dec 26 19:41 |
scientes | so half-half sounds about right | Dec 26 19:41 |
DaemonFC[m] | One tenant with a recent bankruptcy and one that's in the middle of an immigration case. | Dec 26 19:41 |
scientes | so half-half sounds about left-right | Dec 26 19:41 |
schestowitz | vZS1: there are many good and benign animals | Dec 26 19:41 |
schestowitz | creatures that eat weed in the seafloor | Dec 26 19:42 |
schestowitz | we eat them | Dec 26 19:42 |
schestowitz | instead of the weed | Dec 26 19:42 |
DaemonFC[m] | Bankruptcy was the nuclear option after what John and the state trumped up. But for all he knows, I was just some idiot who couldn't manage my affairs. | Dec 26 19:42 |
schestowitz | lately we've watched many elephant videos | Dec 26 19:42 |
schestowitz | they keep haunting my mind | Dec 26 19:42 |
DaemonFC[m] | So if it comes up at immigration I'll explain it that way and if it doesn't I won't bring it up. | Dec 26 19:42 |
DaemonFC[m] | It's dead and buried in the past. We're back on our feet and looking towards a much brighter future. | Dec 26 19:43 |
scientes | schestowitz, eat elephants? | Dec 26 19:43 |
MinceR | schestowitz: you keel killing bacteria :> | Dec 26 19:44 |
MinceR | s/eel/eep/ | Dec 26 19:44 |
DaemonFC[m] | "back on our feet and looking towards the future".....It's not what you say, it's how you say it. | Dec 26 19:44 |
DaemonFC[m] | Confidence. If you're not projecting confidence, why should they assume good things await you? | Dec 26 19:44 |
scientes | MinceR, you speak for the bacteria, but what about those innocent plants! | Dec 26 19:44 |
MinceR | they, too, get eaten | Dec 26 19:45 |
MinceR | which implies killing at least parts of them | Dec 26 19:45 |
DaemonFC[m] | I was reading Wikipedia about that River Phoenix guy. They said he was a vegan, to the point where he went on a date and cried when his girlfriend ordered a crab bisque or something. | Dec 26 19:45 |
DaemonFC[m] | I think that's more indicative of mental illness. | Dec 26 19:46 |
vZS1 | He's just a very committed vegan | Dec 26 19:46 |
DaemonFC[m] | And yes, let's watch what we eat while we do speedballs. Very woke and health conscious. | Dec 26 19:46 |
DaemonFC[m] | Was.... a very committed vegan. | Dec 26 19:47 |
DaemonFC[m] | Dead at 23 because of the speedballs. | Dec 26 19:47 |
vZS1 | Almost everything has some sort of animal byproduct in it | Dec 26 19:47 |
MinceR | i guess he found a solution to the whole problem with killing plants and bacteria | Dec 26 19:47 |
schestowitz | [19:46] <vZS1> He's just a very committed vegan | Dec 26 19:48 |
schestowitz | there is a religion for this | Dec 26 19:48 |
schestowitz | Sam Harris used to mention it a lot | Dec 26 19:48 |
DaemonFC[m] | Jedi Knight | Dec 26 19:48 |
vZS1 | I'm sure there is | Dec 26 19:48 |
schestowitz | as example of super-peaceful religion | Dec 26 19:48 |
schestowitz | "janes" | Dec 26 19:48 |
schestowitz | or something like that | Dec 26 19:48 |
MinceR | Jainism? | Dec 26 19:48 |
DaemonFC[m] | Religion is overall not peaceful. | Dec 26 19:48 |
schestowitz | guess so | Dec 26 19:48 |
scientes | > Sam Harris | Dec 26 19:48 |
scientes | geeze | Dec 26 19:49 |
scientes | he has his own religion | Dec 26 19:49 |
scientes | worship of the state | Dec 26 19:49 |
DaemonFC[m] | They can't leave anything alone. | Dec 26 19:49 |
scientes | pretending to think for himself | Dec 26 19:49 |
vZS1 | There are a few pretty peaceful ones | Dec 26 19:49 |
vZS1 | Like Daoism | Dec 26 19:49 |
schestowitz | anyway, the point he was making was, iirc, Islam is naturally rather ruthless | Dec 26 19:50 |
DaemonFC[m] | Ruthless is......that crazy Filipino cult that says you have to throw out the whole family and shun them if one of them is gay. | Dec 26 19:50 |
DaemonFC[m] | Don't think that there aren't people who will be getting our wedding pictures with Maricel in them if this whole thing hits the shitter. | Dec 26 19:51 |
vZS1 | Well | Dec 26 19:51 |
DaemonFC[m] | At court, no less, where they aren't supposed to go. | Dec 26 19:51 |
vZS1 | Islam was founded by a military general | Dec 26 19:51 |
vZS1 | What do you expect? | Dec 26 19:51 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: they have people there who crucify THEMSELVES | Dec 26 19:51 |
schestowitz | to impress Mr. InvisibleMan | Dec 26 19:52 |
vZS1 | The first Muslims were pretty much all martial (and very good at it) | Dec 26 19:52 |
schestowitz | to impress the girls | Dec 26 19:52 |
schestowitz | under 10 ;-) | Dec 26 19:52 |
scientes | schestowitz, no, the point he was making is that the places that have oil happen to have people already living there | Dec 26 19:53 |
scientes | it is a very simple thought pattern | Dec 26 19:53 |
scientes | Under every rock lurks a politician. | Dec 26 19:54 |
vZS1 | I think Sam Harris picked the wrong religion as an example | Dec 26 19:54 |
vZS1 | Early Islam was basically all about military expansion | Dec 26 19:55 |
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vZS1 | The Rashidun caliphate kicked the Byzantines out of the Middle East and took over North Africa. It was pretty much all about war | Dec 26 19:56 |
schestowitz | territory | Dec 26 19:59 |
schestowitz | TORY | Dec 26 19:59 |
schestowitz | Make Alphamale Great Again | Dec 26 20:00 |
schestowitz | kill some people | Dec 26 20:00 |
schestowitz | makes you seem "Strong" | Dec 26 20:00 |
schestowitz | if you can't outwit them, kill them | Dec 26 20:00 |
MinceR | last one to die wins | Dec 26 20:00 |
MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/22/7fda1175701da9f0.jpg | Dec 26 20:01 |
schestowitz | stalemate | Dec 26 20:01 |
schestowitz | no mate | Dec 26 20:01 |
schestowitz | no offspring | Dec 26 20:01 |
schestowitz | humans finished | Dec 26 20:01 |
schestowitz | fun | Dec 26 20:01 |
schestowitz | fin | Dec 26 20:01 |
MinceR | indeed | Dec 26 20:01 |
schestowitz | Don't give ideas to TERRORISTS | Dec 26 20:02 |
schestowitz | re https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/22/7fda1175701da9f0.jpg | Dec 26 20:02 |
schestowitz | every terror plot starts with pizza | Dec 26 20:03 |
scientes | are you fucking kidding me? | Dec 26 20:04 |
scientes | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/22/7fda1175701da9f0.jpg | Dec 26 20:04 |
scientes | I am at a loss for words | Dec 26 20:05 |
vZS1 | You see, they try their best to make sure kids don't read the source material (bible etc.) | Dec 26 20:05 |
vZS1 | It's not easy to explain why things like infanticide are good | Dec 26 20:05 |
vZS1 | Or repeated genocide | Dec 26 20:06 |
scientes | yeah, but making pizza illegal? | Dec 26 20:06 |
vZS1 | Pretty ironic when you think about it | Dec 26 20:07 |
schestowitz | pizza is rich in iron? | Dec 26 20:11 |
Sajesajama schestowitz schestowitz_log scientes search_social siel_ smnthermes swaggboi | Dec 26 20:12 | |
schestowitz | scientes: us bans kinder surprises... | Dec 26 20:12 |
schestowitz | I think it's the basis that stuff can be swallowed | Dec 26 20:12 |
schestowitz | but they vend rifled over the counter... with ammo | Dec 26 20:12 |
schestowitz | *rifles | Dec 26 20:12 |
scientes | swallow a grater? | Dec 26 20:13 |
schestowitz | it's hard to swallow a rifle | Dec 26 20:13 |
schestowitz | maybe a tiny tiny barbie rifle would be banned | Dec 26 20:13 |
vZS1 | Come shop at Walmart | Dec 26 20:13 |
schestowitz | scientes: no, that stuff inside the Kinder chocolate egg | Dec 26 20:13 |
vZS1 | Get an AR-15 with your gallon of milk | Dec 26 20:14 |
schestowitz | the germans didn't get enough lobbyists like NRA | Dec 26 20:14 |
schestowitz | "excuse me, sir, where are you going WITH THAT MILK?" | Dec 26 20:14 |
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schestowitz | http://www.zenwalk.org/2020/12/pipewire-replaces-pulseaudio-in-zenwalk.html | Dec 26 20:31 |
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MinceR | (cat) (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/19/0284f4e34972ef10.mp4 | Dec 26 20:59 |
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vZS1 | Was pretty encouraging | Dec 26 20:59 |
vZS1 | Until I read | Dec 26 20:59 |
vZS1 | > Alongside Wayland and Flatpak | Dec 26 20:59 |
scientes2 | typical day in Russia https://youtu.be/1IZo5WDxpgM | Dec 26 21:00 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Aparece un río de sangre en Rusia causado por una granja de truchas - YouTube | Dec 26 21:00 | |
XRevan86 | кисельные берега | Dec 26 21:01 |
XRevan86 | kisel shores | Dec 26 21:03 |
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mjg59 | Dec 26 21:31 | |
schestowitz | metoo | Dec 26 21:32 |
DaemonFC[m] | Alex St. John was at Microsoft for decades and has a much more reprehensible set of opinions than anything I've ever seen in the Free Software world. | Dec 26 21:46 |
DaemonFC[m] | He's also quite, quite wrong about nothing beating youth for creativity. Intel has a well documented history of Logan's Run hiring and firing, and what it got them was Skylake. An architecture so buggy and broken and impossible to properly manage power consumption on that it singlehandedly lost them several of their most important clients. | Dec 26 21:47 |
DaemonFC[m] | It took them years to mostly dig out of that mess, and they're not the 800 pound gorilla anymore where they release bad stuff like the Pentium 4 Netburst architecture and you're just stuck using it anyway. | Dec 26 21:49 |
DaemonFC[m] | That entire architecture was about jacking up clock speed as high as possible even though the execution pipeline was so inefficient that the clock rate hardly mattered anymore other than forcing OEMs to contrive heat ducts to keep the computer from crashing all the time, even with budget CPUs. | Dec 26 21:50 |
DaemonFC[m] | Intel would get better results from older employees if it retained them because they would remember mistakes that were made and be less inclined to repeat them. | Dec 26 22:00 |
DaemonFC[m] | I'd say their hiring practices are a big factor in their current situation where their customers are piling through the exit door and it leaves lawyers barking about how they'll sue everyone with the patents if they move to ARM and try to implement backwards compatibility. | Dec 26 22:01 |
Ariadne | i think we can agree that shitty people are hired by technology companies to work on technology, FOSS or otherwise | Dec 26 22:01 |
DaemonFC[m] | Would a company that made terrific products be in this predicament? Certainly not. | Dec 26 22:01 |
Ariadne | anyway intel sucks for many reasons | Dec 26 22:02 |
Ariadne | i look forward to x86 dying | Dec 26 22:02 |
Ariadne | ARM stuff is way more open | Dec 26 22:02 |
DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft management had to lean on Alex St. John to get rid of the radiation symbol and stop referring to DirectX as the "Manhattan Project", because they did both as jabs against Japanese companies and their gaming consoles. | Dec 26 22:02 |
DaemonFC[m] | I mean, really it was uncalled for, referring to events that cost perhaps 200,000 people their lives as some sort of in joke. | Dec 26 22:03 |
DaemonFC[m] | They've been far less sensitive than BIG BOOBIES. They've directly referenced slaughter as a war crime as a joke in their products before. | Dec 26 22:04 |
DaemonFC[m] | The nuclear attacks against Japan are indefensible as warfare under international law because they violated the principle of proportionality. That is, that warring states have an obligation to directly attack military targets and to minimize civilian harm. It was Total War, which is precisely what the Geneva Conventions were supposed to outlaw. | Dec 26 22:06 |
DaemonFC[m] | I don't think there was as much will for Imperial Japan to persist as revisionist history suggests in order to justify the bombings. | Dec 26 22:08 |
DaemonFC[m] | Their military was more or less destroyed. A naval blockade would have eventually caused them to surrender. | Dec 26 22:09 |
DaemonFC[m] | In the US Civil War, the naval blockades of the south were highly effective. | Dec 26 22:09 |
DaemonFC[m] | Eventually they can't get anything in or out and there are no supplies for the war effort, the economy fails, and that's the end of that. | Dec 26 22:10 |
DaemonFC[m] | Anyway, one of the more offensive parts of Alex St. John's recruiting memo was that women are all lazing about the house waiting for the husband to bring home a paycheck so they can spend it all and that all men are going to make their career choices based on orders from her. | Dec 26 22:13 |
DaemonFC[m] | A healthy relationship does not have one partner screaming and barking orders at the other one, and in the case of Mandy's sister, she does do that to her husband, to the point where she ordered him to come out to our place of residence and stalk us last year. | Dec 26 22:13 |
DaemonFC[m] | And you should have seen the look on his face when I came back around in my car and stared at him. | Dec 26 22:14 |
DaemonFC[m] | She's big on scheming and lawbreaking and personally I think we'll be better off without her tied to any of this anyway. | Dec 26 22:16 |
DaemonFC[m] | Relationship dynamics are bizarre and complex. | Dec 26 22:16 |
DaemonFC[m] | I mean, really, if you're fighting about things every day then why are you even still married? | Dec 26 22:17 |
DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I can tell you some of the lessons I've learned. One of them being I'm never signing financing documents for a car again. | Dec 26 22:18 |
DaemonFC[m] | If I can't pay a cash price for one, nope, not doing it. Even if I have to ride the bus for a few months. | Dec 26 22:18 |
DaemonFC[m] | I'm glad that John finally pushed me into bankruptcy, the final push anyway, when he did. | Dec 26 22:19 |
DaemonFC[m] | He thought he'd just skip payments and they'd levy my bank account for a car he was driving in another state. | Dec 26 22:19 |
DaemonFC[m] | Nope nope.... As soon as I filed the bankruptcy papers, he started making the payments again. | Dec 26 22:19 |
DaemonFC[m] | Mom said she polled the women she worked with and more than half of them do not have joint bank accounts with their husbands and most of them don't have access into each other's phones. | Dec 26 22:23 |
DaemonFC[m] | Almost no married couples in this country would make it past an immigration officer, were they not already citizens. | Dec 26 22:23 |
MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/22/7741835e8e9639b2.png | Dec 26 22:35 |
vZS1 | Nuking civilians is fine | Dec 26 23:28 |
vZS1 | As long as you're the USA | Dec 26 23:28 |
vZS1 | Saint FDR could do no wrong | Dec 26 23:28 |
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