●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, March 27, 2021 ●● ● Mar 27 [00:01] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [00:03] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [00:40] *koo5 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [00:54] *koo5 (~koo5@37-48-25-239.nat.epc.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [00:57] techrights-bot " #Huawei started testing a third beta version of HarmonyOS earlier this month and it has another one on the way. This upcoming version will arrive on March 31 and it will be the final beta." https://www.gsmarena.com/harmonyos_stable_will_launch_in_april_the_huawei_mate_x2_will_be_the_first_to_get_it-news-48394.php [00:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-HarmonyOS will officially launch in April, the Huawei Mate X2 will be the first to get it - GSMArena.com news [00:57] techrights-bot "'559 patent generally relates to a system and method for delivering media content" = #swpats = #fakepatents https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/3/26/1000-awarded-for-ryujin-llc-prior-art #uspto #ptab [00:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | $1,000 Awarded for Ryujin LLC prior art Unified Patents [00:57] techrights-bot "Here, WPEM filed an infringement action against SOTI, but later dismissed the action after learning that the #patent claims were very likely invalid." https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/03/litigation-investigation-validity.html [00:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Pre-Litigation Investigation of Patent Validity | Patently-O [00:58] techrights-bot #linuxfoundation lies and revisionism: the #gnu #linux operating system did not start 30 years ago but 38 years ago. It was called GNU. https://www.linux.com/news/celebrate-30-years-of-linux-with-training-certification-offer/ [00:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Celebrate 30 Years of Linux With Training & Certification Offer - Linux.com [00:58] schestowitz dodgy company [00:58] schestowitz but say "COVID" and they approve anyway [00:58] schestowitz (Pfizer) [00:58] schestowitz Mako-Hill: "The current situation makes me unbelievably sad." [00:58] techrights-bot #Livepatch 2021-03-24 incident investigation report https://ubuntu.com//blog/livepatch-2021-03-24-incident-investigation-report #security #canonical #ubuntu [00:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Livepatch 2021-03-24 incident investigation report | Ubuntu ● Mar 27 [01:00] *superkuh has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [01:00] schestowitz one minor addition [01:00] schestowitz which I think is important [01:00] schestowitz a top editor of the anti-RMS petition is Azure/IBM staff [01:00] schestowitz working on Microsoft Azure [01:00] schestowitz Elana Hashman (OSI) [01:00] schestowitz third biggest contributor [01:00] schestowitz not sure who Joan Touzet [01:00] schestowitz but might be worth digging into it [01:03] techrights-bot #epo #corruption #crime #injustice : "In other words, either the EPO President already knows the outcome of G1/21 or he is being outrageously reckless with applicants time and money. There is simply no plausible alternative explanation. This makes me want to puke!" http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/03/21/teleworking-is-there-to-stay-at-the-european-patent-office/#comments [01:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Teleworking is there to stay at the European Patent Office - Kluwer Patent Blog [01:03] techrights-bot More buzzwords instead of real job titles https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/what-is-mlops-machine-learning-operations-explained/ [01:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freecodecamp.org | What is MLOps? Machine Learning Operations Explained [01:04] techrights-bot Christian Hergert: A Piece+Tree (Augmented B+Tree) https://blogs.gnome.org/chergert/2021/03/26/bplustree_augmented_piecetable/ #freesw #gtk #gnome [01:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org | A Piece+Tree (Augmented B+Tree) Zen and the Art of GNOME [01:04] techrights-bot "Gosh, second octant already! Well, lets take a look at the big things that happened in #KDE on #FreeBSD in these six-and-a-half weeks." https://euroquis.nl//kde/2021/03/26/freebsd2021o2.html [01:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-euroquis.nl | KDE on FreeBSD 2021o2 | [bobulate] [01:04] *koo5 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [01:04] techrights-bot NZXT Kraken Driver Queued For Introduction In Linux 5.13 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NZXT-Kraken-For-Linux-5.13 #kernel #linux [01:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NZXT Kraken Driver Queued For Introduction In Linux 5.13 - Phoronix [01:05] techrights-bot This Linux Foundation Newsletter is powered by #microsoft #windows !!!! https://www.linux.com/news/linux-foundation-newsletter-march-2021-tux-turns-30-supporting-asian-communities-and-racial-justice-lfx-updates/ see http://techrights.org/2020/06/22/proprietary-iis-and-windows-foundation/ [01:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Foundation Newsletter March 2021: Tux Turns 30, Supporting Asian Communities and Racial Justice, LFX Updates - Linux.com [01:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Newsletter is Microsoft Windows and Proprietary IIS | Techrights [01:06] techrights-bot #GNOME Board Members Must Resign In Disgrace http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149083?page=1#comment-28849 [01:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good News! Richard Stallman is Back at Free Software Foundation | Tux Machines [01:06] techrights-bot Roundup: Librem 5, Precursor, Fedora, Gentoo, Nemo Mobile, and GNOME 40 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149283 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Roundup: Librem 5, Precursor, Fedora, Gentoo, Nemo Mobile, and GNOME 40 | Tux Machines [01:07] CrystalMath it's exactly this kind of crap that alienates conversatives from linux and free software [01:07] CrystalMath and it's disgusting [01:08] MinceR which one? [01:08] CrystalMath "Linux Foundation Newsletter March 2021: Tux Turns 30, Supporting Asian Communities and Racial Justice" [01:09] MinceR oic [01:09] MinceR i don't even understand it [01:09] MinceR i was given the impression that renaming the master branch to "main" solved racism already [01:10] CrystalMath they did? [01:10] CrystalMath gosh, i'm ashamed to run linux [01:10] MinceR well, that was the purpose, wasn't it? [01:10] CrystalMath no i mean they changed the branch name? [01:10] CrystalMath well you know, i can still rename it locally [01:10] CrystalMath here it will always be master [01:11] CrystalMath i don't tolerate main [01:11] MinceR so far i've heard it was changed in shithub, gitlab and there is an option to specify the default in git [01:11] MinceR but the default wasn't changed yet in git [01:11] techrights-bot #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149282 [01:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [01:11] MinceR i've set it to 'master' though, just to be sure [01:11] CrystalMath oh, i meant linux's branch [01:11] MinceR i don't know about that [01:11] CrystalMath umm torvalds/linux still has master [01:12] CrystalMath that must be why there's still slavery in the world :/ [01:12] MinceR sounds like they changed it in shithub and gitlab for nothing :( [01:12] *superkuh (~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh) has joined #techrights [01:12] CrystalMath superkuh: you can now sign the pro-RMS petition without github [01:12] *MinceR gives voice to superkuh [01:12] CrystalMath also, it has more signatures now [01:13] superkuh Eh, I've moved on. I'm writing code instead. [01:13] schestowitz I saw that [01:13] schestowitz superkuh: good [01:13] schestowitz I try the same [01:13] schestowitz and we have some articles on patents coming [01:13] superkuh No one else is going to fix gtkfilechooser. [01:13] schestowitz there are now more pro-RMS articles then anti- anyway [01:13] schestowitz superkuh: gtk3? [01:14] superkuh Yes. [01:14] *MinceR gives voice to aindilis cubexyz cybrNaut DVulgaris [01:14] *MinceR gives voice to liberty_box libertybox mmu_man [01:16] schestowitz joindisapora is down [01:16] schestowitz rare [01:16] schestowitz superkuh: if it makes you feel any better, you're not missing any news [01:16] schestowitz it's a phony old one, a phony scandal [01:17] schestowitz GNOME Foundation-led [01:17] schestowitz Maybe Neil wants a job at Microsoft like his predecessor [01:17] schestowitz two of them [01:17] MinceR Neil before me! [01:18] schestowitz URL: https://joindiaspora.com/mentions Connection to Server Refused [01:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-JoinDiaspora* - Sign in [01:18] schestowitz hmmm... [01:18] schestowitz maybe cert related [01:18] schestowitz Additional Information: joindiaspora.com: SSL negotiation failed [01:18] schestowitz oh joy [01:19] schestowitz I feel sssssssssssssssso much safer now [01:19] *ephemer0l_ is now known as GeneralDiscourse [01:20] *GeneralDiscourse is now known as ephemer0l [01:20] techrights-bot #Firefly shines a light on RK3568 with a module and dev kit http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149285#comment-28851 [01:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firefly Station P2 mini PC coming soon with RK3568 processor and Android and Ubuntu support | Tux Machines [01:21] techrights-bot #Nextcloud offers content creation setup on ARM platform http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149215#comment-28852 #gnu #linux [01:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical, Collabora, and Nextcloud Deliver Work From Home Solution to Raspberry Pi Users | Tux Machines [01:21] techrights-bot #Wine 6.5 Release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149284 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine 6.5 Release | Tux Machines [01:21] schestowitz [01:07] it's exactly this kind of crap that alienates conversatives from linux and free software [01:21] schestowitz not just conservatives [01:21] schestowitz that's misframing the situation [01:22] schestowitz LF meddling in politics [01:22] schestowitz no matter which wing or leaning, it's not necessary [01:22] schestowitz as an org, not personal capacity [01:22] schestowitz but worse: [01:22] schestowitz LF enables very racist companies [01:22] schestowitz and monopolies [01:22] schestowitz while pretending to be liberal [01:22] schestowitz and that in turn infuriates some progressives too [01:23] schestowitz they're like the "corporate liberalism" [01:23] schestowitz "we bomb with love..." [01:23] schestowitz "we meant well... and became rich" [01:23] techrights-bot KDE: Okular, FreeBSD, and #Krita http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149289 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: Okular, FreeBSD, and Krita | Tux Machines [01:24] schestowitz example: [01:24] schestowitz 1) LF outsources o Github, which serves ICE [01:24] schestowitz 2) LF whitewashes IBM, the most racist tech company in history. LF makes them seem anti-racist. [01:24] schestowitz 3) LF employs no blacks [01:25] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/06/14/linux-foundation-with-zero-african-american-employees-in-a-country-where-13-4-identify-as-african-american-boasts-about-its-support-for-the-black-community/ [01:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation, With Zero African-American Employees (in a Country Where 13.4% Identify as African-American), Boasts About Its Support for the Black Community | Techrights [01:25] schestowitz like the "limousine liberals" who have no black friends [01:25] schestowitz and love blacks, as long as they don't live in the same rich neighbourhood [01:25] schestowitz that's LF [01:26] techrights-bot #OpenSUSE Hackweek and Progress http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149290 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenSUSE Hackweek and Progress | Tux Machines [01:26] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149288 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [01:28] lockeanarchist if I'm not mistaken, one MS LF representative as giving an "idea" of ending with linux mailing lists, saying that MLs are a barrier to entry, to use a more "intuitive" alternative(Github?). [01:28] schestowitz yss [01:28] schestowitz we wrote many articles about this [01:28] schestowitz the first one was this: http://techrights.org/2020/08/27/outsourcing-linux-to-microsoft-github/ [01:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Warning: Microsoft Tim and Microsofts New Mole Inside Linux Foundation Board (a Paid-For Seat) Liaise to Outsource Linux Development to Microsofts Proprietary Software Trap | Techrights [01:29] schestowitz some techrights readers were alarmed and asked for help [01:29] schestowitz fearing they would be pushed to hack in linux using a Microsoft account [01:29] schestowitz Torvalds cannot say much [01:29] schestowitz they're his bosses (Board) now [01:30] schestowitz they might even end up starting petitions for rage mobs, calling him sexist in github or something [01:30] techrights-bot GNOME 40 on the PinePhone [Martijn Braam / YouTube] http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149238#comment-28853 [01:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The New GNOME 40 Release Video is Seriously Slick [Watch] | Tux Machines [01:30] techrights-bot Wine 6.5 Is Released With OpenCL 1.2 And 25 Bug-Fixes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149284#comment-28855 [01:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine 6.5 Release | Tux Machines [01:31] lockeanarchist One thing that alarmed me last year was that WSL2 ML directx kernel patch. NVidia could easily kill ML development in Linux pushing all linux ml developers to WSL2 [01:32] techrights-bot Just to note: the third most prolific person in the anti-RMS petition (dealing with about 100 signatures works on #microsoft Azure...). Yes, Microsoft... the most prolific one (Neil) is preceded by TWO people who went to work at Microsoft for huge salaries. [01:33] techrights-bot #Gadgets : Librem 5 and #RaspberryPi 400 Turned "Data Blaster" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149287 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Gadgets: Librem 5 and Raspberry Pi 400 Turned "Data Blaster" | Tux Machines [01:33] techrights-bot #antiX -bullseye-alpha2 iso files available. 64 bit only http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149286 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | antiX-bullseye-alpha2 iso files available. 64 bit only | Tux Machines [01:34] techrights-bot The Halloween Documents from #microsoft explain a lot of what we've seen this past week in the anti-RMS rage mob, which was largely based on distortions and fabrications [01:36] techrights-bot This past week I've used mostly IRC to take notes of the attack on FSF. Because I think we need to cool things down and move on. The more we fight, the weaker we become. And we know who stands to gain from the infighting, sometimes even engineers and inflames that infighting. [01:36] schestowitz lockeanarchist: we wrote about that too [01:36] schestowitz it's the second "E" in EEE [01:36] schestowitz but thankfully WSL2 is failing [01:37] schestowitz barely anyone uses it [01:37] schestowitz Vista 10 is in a freefall too [01:37] schestowitz they keep trying giving copies for 'free' [01:37] schestowitz because they don't even enough takers [01:37] lockeanarchist schestowitz: they threatened to do that in the past because of linus' language and he was forced to accept a CoC to calm down the mob [01:37] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/12/29/windows-sliding/ [01:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | According to Statcounter, Microsoft Windows Reaches Lowest Market Share Since 1990s (Now Just 31.8%) | Techrights [01:38] schestowitz lockeanarchist: yes, his health seems to have deteriorated since then [01:38] schestowitz bad diet, no exercise [01:39] lockeanarchist he is aging fast [01:39] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/05/11/forties-torvalds/ [01:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Look What the Linux Foundation Has Turned Linus Torvalds Into | Techrights [01:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.15 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 51.85 swarm size (avg): 156.55 [01:40] MinceR mailing lists being a barrier to entry? how are people going to contribute to kernel programming if they can't handle a mailing list? [01:40] schestowitz exactly [01:40] schestowitz we mentioned that point many times [01:40] lockeanarchist MinceR: just an excuse [01:40] schestowitz as did others [01:40] schestowitz it's a non-starter [01:40] lockeanarchist they want Linux on their proprietary platform [01:40] schestowitz they fail [01:41] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/01/24/fleeing-github/ [01:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: The Year After We Bought GitHub There Was a Significant Decline in Number of New Projects on GitHub | Techrights [01:41] schestowitz hopefully another codeplex in 5 years [01:42] kingoffrance yeah, for other projects that might be more plausible, for kernel stuff? not so much [01:42] schestowitz c is harder [01:42] schestowitz than clicking "fork" [01:43] schestowitz and hacking away [01:43] schestowitz linux isn't like that [01:43] schestowitz even testing a change is not easy [01:43] schestowitz you need to compile kernel module and have hardwae [01:43] lockeanarchist and this rust thing while they can't even handle their trademark issue [01:43] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ [01:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights [01:43] schestowitz rust is another trap [01:43] schestowitz microsoft in board [01:43] schestowitz all the project controlled by microsoft [01:44] schestowitz censoring microsoft critics [01:44] schestowitz all the warning signs [01:44] schestowitz it also lacks complete hardware support [01:44] schestowitz one of the selling points of kernel.org [01:44] lockeanarchist yeah, rust is pretty limited on this [01:44] kingoffrance even some gui person who doesnt touch command line -- theres no gui mail clients? its ridiculous [01:45] schestowitz Look at the legs of Torvalds [01:45] schestowitz this is borderline dangerous: https://www.techrepublic.com/article/linus-torvalds-git-proved-i-could-be-more-than-a-one-hit-wonder/ [01:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linus Torvalds: "Git proved I could be more than a one-hit wonder." - TechRepublic [01:45] schestowitz maybe he stopped doing his walks [01:46] lockeanarchist I was surprised when I saw these images of linus [01:48] MinceR it can be difficult to go on walks with pandemic restrictions [01:48] MinceR also, Torvalds looks like he aged a lot [01:48] MinceR i guess whatever the corporates did to force his hand didn't do him any favors [01:49] techrights-bot #gnomefoundation is toxic and it adds toxicity to other collectives, such as Debian http://charles.plessy.org/Debian/debi%C3%A2neries/grToxique/ [01:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-charles.plessy.org | GR toxique [01:51] techrights-bot Even before the FSF news the #gnomefoundation had already planned to attack RMS some more. An intolerant, vile institution in service of #microsoft (look where former President went to work next!). January http://techrights.org/2021/01/12/gnome-foundation-rms/ [01:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GNOME Foundation is Still Participating in the Attack on Richard Stallman | Techrights [01:51] schestowitz MinceR: borderline "abnormal" [01:52] schestowitz you can find old photos of him in swimming trunks [01:52] schestowitz he used to have trunks for legs [01:52] schestowitz not twigs [01:52] schestowitz and I am guessing his GP advised him to get that treadmill at home [01:52] schestowitz question is, does he still use it? [01:53] CrystalMath linux is the new windows [01:53] MinceR indeed [01:54] lockeanarchist the thing is that you don't need to see the linus from 10years ago [01:54] lockeanarchist you can just see linus from, 2017 [01:54] schestowitz Pocock and Linus https://danielpocock.com/assets/pocock-torvalds.png [01:54] lockeanarchist he aged a lot in a couple of years [01:55] schestowitz 2018 he was banished [01:55] schestowitz since then no hard talk [01:55] schestowitz or barely [01:55] schestowitz the media shames him into remorse again [01:55] CrystalMath he left himself [01:55] CrystalMath that's already not the linus i know [01:56] CrystalMath screw it, we can't hold on to people [01:56] CrystalMath people deteriorate and fall apart [01:56] CrystalMath only ideas stand [01:56] MinceR we do need to learn from what our enemies do to people though [01:56] schestowitz 2009: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Linus_fsf.jpg [01:56] schestowitz actuall, CrystalMath, RMS still looks healthy [01:57] schestowitz skin and all, weight seems the same [01:57] schestowitz maybe some white hair and hair loss [01:57] schestowitz but his underlying health problems go decades back [01:57] schestowitz he told a friend of mine about them [01:57] schestowitz but he can reach 80+ [01:58] schestowitz My theory: http://techrights.org/2021/03/25/against-copyleft/ [01:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Monopolies in Pain, Free Software (Copyleft) Their Kryptonite? | Techrights [01:58] schestowitz they suffer a lot [01:58] schestowitz IBM is 'dying' [01:58] schestowitz revenue in a freefall [01:58] schestowitz so they reckon they need to kill off freedo [01:58] schestowitz but that is NOT easy [01:58] schestowitz they need to compete with copyleft [01:58] schestowitz RHEL is NOT UNIX [01:58] schestowitz and it means that no matter what IBM does, it cannot force people to buy "support" [01:59] schestowitz Ariadne says they seem to have purchase remorse [01:59] schestowitz as the money to be found there isn't what they imagined it would be [01:59] schestowitz the revenues continue to fall [01:59] schestowitz she said they had shown interest in Alpine Linux [01:59] schestowitz as if, RHEL isn't suitable for everything (too much bloated stuff for simpler systems, I assume) ● Mar 27 [02:00] schestowitz So for morale and motivation let's treat these attacks as angry outbursts of frustration [02:00] schestowitz and move on instead of fighting each other [02:01] MinceR to me, it looks like copyleft is dead already (Hellwig v VMware) [02:01] MinceR https://opensource.com/law/16/8/gpl-enforcement-action-hellwig-v-vmware [02:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GPL enforcement action in Hellwig v. VMware dismissed, with an appeal expected | Opensource.com [02:01] schestowitz For decades they've been doing it: http://techrights.org/2008/02/04/civitl-wars-in-free-software/ [02:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | BSD vs. GPL: But Why Are PEOPLE Fighting??? | Techrights [02:01] schestowitz MinceR: VMware did violate GPL [02:01] lockeanarchist IBM doesn't look a healthy company. MS, tbh, is in a much better shape [02:01] schestowitz insider admitted it to us [02:01] MinceR and got away with it [02:01] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/04/28/openwashing-vmware-after-gpl-abuses/ [02:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Foundation Has Helped VMware Lie About Its Deliberate GPL Violations That are Connected to Microsoft, Another Prolific GPL Violator | Techrights [02:01] schestowitz it's a fact, vmware then hired dreck hondahl from intel [02:02] schestowitz to spin for them [02:02] MinceR they even gained some control over Linux, which they parasitized before [02:02] schestowitz lots of spam from him about how we're not sure etc. [02:02] lockeanarchist it's the same thing, they give people a pass to please their bosses [02:02] schestowitz he knows they violated the GPL [02:02] schestowitz but they pay him to lie [02:02] schestowitz [02:01] IBM doesn't look a healthy company. MS, tbh, is in a much better shape [02:02] schestowitz they tell us that [02:02] schestowitz a lot of wall street is ponzi galore atm [02:02] schestowitz look at tesla [02:03] schestowitz making losses, valued at trillions [02:03] lockeanarchist tesla is seriously overpriced [02:03] schestowitz not just them [02:03] schestowitz tesla is easier to see as such [02:03] schestowitz not many people in middle class have money now [02:03] schestowitz and vehicles lost utility [02:04] schestowitz yuppie "green" waning [02:04] schestowitz those cars aren't green [02:04] schestowitz they don't run on air or water [02:04] MinceR this one is :> >> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-fxk6CcghkE/maxresdefault.jpg [02:05] techrights-bot Loss of real services all across the board. What next? Robots for shrinks https://www.iottechtrends.com/basic-healthcare-telehealth-drones/ [02:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iottechtrends.com | Basic Healthcare Comes to Telehealth Drones - IoT Tech Trends [02:05] techrights-bot Customer service going away. You're on your own! http://techrights.org/2021/03/23/war-on-cashiers/ [02:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Self-Service is Just an Unjust Disservice by Selfish Business People | Techrights [02:05] MinceR https://i.redd.it/9b31rtqzxtgz.jpg [02:06] schestowitz MinceR: from greenwahsing to green-painting [02:06] MinceR :> [02:07] techrights-bot Old: "The BSD and the GPL camps can happily live in harmony and they often do indeed. There is a certain hostility, however, between the OpenBSD folks and the FSF/GNU in particular." http://techrights.org/2008/02/04/civitl-wars-in-free-software/ [02:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | BSD vs. GPL: But Why Are PEOPLE Fighting??? | Techrights [02:14] *genr8_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [02:14] *genr8_ (~genr8_@unaffiliated/genbtc) has joined #techrights [02:15] *MinceR gives voice to genr8_ [02:16] schestowitz MinceR: LF does greenwashing fro Microsoft [02:16] schestowitz Paid-for PR services http://techrights.org/2020/09/02/linux-foundation-greenwashing-and-openwashing-for-microsoft/ [02:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Works for Microsoft | Techrights [02:16] schestowitz We need to call out these charlatans and frauds [02:16] schestowitz they tarnish our brands [02:19] schestowitz The good news is, [02:19] schestowitz we raised awareness [02:20] schestowitz more people not widely recognis the LF for what it really is [02:20] schestowitz even RMS [02:20] schestowitz and they clearly cannot 'cancel' him enough [02:20] schestowitz no matter how many bigCorps lie and mislead people [02:20] schestowitz so we have the numbers [02:20] schestowitz we have the facts [02:20] techrights-bot Links 27/3/2021: #Wine 6.5 Released, #DataBlaster , #Livepatch Has Issues http://techrights.org/2021/03/26/livepatch-has-issues/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/26/livepatch-has-issues/ [02:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 27/3/2021: Wine 6.5 Released, Data Blaster, Livepatch Has Issues | Techrights [02:21] techrights-bot #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149291 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [02:21] techrights-bot Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149292 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [02:21] schestowitz I will prepare a statement [02:22] schestowitz maybe others can check it's OK for us [02:22] schestowitz or even now [02:22] schestowitz suggest where we stand on the recent events [02:28] schestowitz MinceR: lockeanarchist: http://techrights.org/2021/03/26/call-for-calm-unity/ [02:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A Call for Calm and for Unison | Techrights [02:28] schestowitz does that make sense [02:28] schestowitz I can still edit, I guess? [02:29] lockeanarchist makes sense to me. [02:29] schestowitz thanks [02:29] schestowitz MinceR? [02:29] schestowitz I have a lot to say, but will try to keep is calm and factual [02:30] schestowitz I did not name people or companies [02:30] schestowitz or link to anything that names them [02:31] schestowitz I will do a very long video on Sunday [02:34] techrights-bot A Call for Calm and for Unison http://techrights.org/2021/03/26/call-for-calm-unity/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/26/call-for-calm-unity/ Let's get back to WORK, folks! [02:37] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-260321.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-260321.txt Read the log now... [02:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ FreeNode: Friday, March 26, 2021 [02:37] schestowitz maybe I should do rebuttals in text, not video [02:37] schestowitz now that I think about it... [02:37] schestowitz but it would take hours to write [02:37] schestowitz and maybe people won't care about the topic by the time it's out [02:37] schestowitz and maybe too early, too [02:38] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-260321.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-260321.txt Read the log now... [02:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Friday, March 26, 2021 [02:38] schestowitz Should I do it in timeline style? [02:38] schestowitz chronological? [02:38] schestowitz OK, 2:40 here [02:39] schestowitz I will give myself a dealine of 5am to do a very long and detailed timeline [02:39] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-260321.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-260321.txt Read the log now... [02:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Friday, March 26, 2021 [02:39] schestowitz no video [02:39] schestowitz just timeline [02:39] DaemonFC[m] 5 AM? Geez [02:39] schestowitz I have about 70 posts to cover [02:39] schestowitz about the RMS thing [02:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 16.91 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 61.13 swarm size (avg): 156.69 [02:39] schestowitz so assume 2 minutes for each [02:40] schestowitz 2.5 hours, inc. proofreading [02:40] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. 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[02:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Friday, March 26, 2021 [02:40] schestowitz the news about this has ground to a halt [02:40] schestowitz so maybe now the time is right [02:41] schestowitz A Factual Timeline of the Attempt to Pressure the FSF Into Submission [02:41] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-03-26.txt [02:53] MinceR schestowitz: i'm looking [02:55] MinceR schestowitz: looks fine [02:57] techrights-bot Doing a very long rebuttal to falsehoods seen in the media and FOSS blogs this past week; we have a story about employers BANNING employees from expressing support for FSF/RMS, not because they hate him/them but because the 'cancel mob' scares the businesses [02:58] techrights-bot We will also do some long video rebuttals to many blogs and news reports about RMS that continue to spread lies (like calling him Epstein supporter; that's Bill Gates, not RMS!) [02:58] schestowitz MinceR: thanks [02:58] MinceR np [02:59] schestowitz I need to control my tone with this long article [02:59] schestowitz 70 links [02:59] schestowitz 2 minutes each [02:59] schestowitz 150 mins [02:59] schestowitz but I hope it'll be worth it at the end ● Mar 27 [03:01] techrights-ipfs IPFS local node stats TotalIn: 8.0 MB TotalOut: 2.0 MB [03:01] techrights-ipfs New bulletin just generated and added to IPFS with CID: [03:02] techrights-ipfs QmeqRbrWZSa9SLLj5WbbtfaaVc1tSLAcgaXD3g25i4ZJAp [03:08] schestowitz OK, this will take a lot more than 2 hours :/ [03:12] *brendyyn (~brendyyn@124-169-144-234.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #techrights [03:14] *schestowitz gives voice to brendyyn [03:18] *cowona (~cowona@unaffiliated/cowona) has joined #techrights [03:18] *cowona (~cowona@unaffiliated/cowona) has left #techrights [03:18] *cowona (~cowona@unaffiliated/cowona) has joined #techrights [03:28] schestowitz this will take ages to write [03:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 32.71 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 26.21 swarm size (avg): 156.85 ● Mar 27 [04:11] *aindilis has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [04:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 18.50 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 36.03 swarm size (avg): 157.01 [04:41] schestowitz anyone wanna proofread? [04:41] schestowitz first draft ready [04:42] techrights-bot #Techrights Bulletin for Friday, March 26, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [04:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [04:42] techrights-bot #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [04:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [04:42] techrights-bot The Progress Linux has Made in Terms of #Gaming is Simply Incredible: #Lutris Creator http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149293 #gnu #linux [04:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Progress Linux has Made in Terms of Gaming is Simply Incredible: Lutris Creator | Tux Machines [04:48] birkoff across other apps and websites using the device's advertising identifier (also called IDFA) as part of a new framework dubbed App Tracking Transparency (ATT). [04:48] birkoff https://thehackernews.com/2021/03/google-to-reveals-what-personal-data.html [04:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thehackernews.com | Google Reveals What Personal Data Chrome and Its Apps Collect On You [04:59] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) ● Mar 27 [05:31] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Support Software Freedom | https://www.fsf.org/) [05:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 19.05 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 17.18 swarm size (avg): 157.16 ● Mar 27 [06:13] schestowitz birkoff: thanks [06:14] schestowitz good not to be using any of those devices at all! [06:17] birkoff not using Android you mean ? [06:33] schestowitz that too [06:34] schestowitz can anyone spot typos? http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/objective-look-at-phony-scandal/ [06:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A Factual Timeline of Attempts to Pressure the FSF Into Submission (Not to Promote Real Community and Freedom) | Techrights [06:35] techrights-bot A Factual Timeline of Attempts to Pressure the #FSF Into Submission (Not to Promote Real Community and Freedom) http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/objective-look-at-phony-scandal/ #gnu #freesw #rms #freedom [06:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 18.05 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 4.75 swarm size (avg): 157.32 [06:50] *kupi has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) ● Mar 27 [07:07] techrights-bot [Old] #iCrowdNewswire # ZFS 101Understanding #ZFS storage and performance https://icrowdnewswire.com/2020/05/11/zfs-101-understanding-zfs-storage-and-performance/ [07:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-icrowdnewswire.com | ZFS 101Understanding ZFS storage and performance [07:07] techrights-bot NEWS #DanLangille Moving some #ZFS filesystems to the trash and removing all their snapshots sanoid https://dan.langille.org/2021/03/24/moving-some-zfs-filesystems-to-the-trash-and-removing-all-their-snapshots/ [07:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dan.langille.org | Moving some ZFS filesystems to the trash and removing all their snapshots sanoid Dan Langille's Other Diary [07:07] techrights-bot NEWS #JanPietMens Configure #SSH ProxyCommand for Ansible AWX on Kubernetes https://jpmens.net/2021/03/25/configure-ssh-proxycommand-for-awx-on-kubernetes/ [07:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jpmens.net | Jan-Piet Mens :: Configure SSH ProxyCommand for Ansible AWX on Kubernetes [07:12] techrights-bot NEWS #Rachel #Programming Compile times, and why "the obvious" might not be so https://rachelbythebay.com/w/2021/03/24/comp/ [07:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rachelbythebay.com | Compile times, and why "the obvious" might not be so [07:12] techrights-bot NEWS #DataSwamp #Programming #freesw from an author point of view https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2021-03-23-opensource-as-an-author.html [07:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dataswamp.org | Solene's percent % : Opensource from an author point of view [07:12] techrights-bot NEWS #TrailOfBits #Programming A Year in the Life of a Compiler Fuzzing Campaign https://blog.trailofbits.com/2021/03/23/a-year-in-the-life-of-a-compiler-fuzzing-campaign/ [07:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.trailofbits.com | A Year in the Life of a Compiler Fuzzing Campaign | Trail of Bits Blog [07:14] techrights-bot NEWS #DavidRosenthal #InternetArchive Storage https://blog.dshr.org/2021/03/internet-archive-storage.html [07:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.dshr.org | DSHR's Blog: Internet Archive Storage [07:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 32.48 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 52.66 swarm size (avg): 157.46 [07:44] Ariadne [20:01:06] to me, it looks like copyleft is dead already (Hellwig v VMware) [07:44] Ariadne yes, this is what i said yesterday [07:44] Ariadne the only way copyleft enforcement is viable is if you hold a clear majority of the copyright [07:44] Ariadne so, if you have disaggregate copyrights, the enforcement action would have to be a class action or similar [07:45] techrights-bot NEWS #TheVerge Why #Microsoft wants #Discord https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/26/22352028/microsoft-discord-acquisition-analysis-report [07:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Why Microsoft wants Discord - The Verge [07:46] techrights-bot NEWS #CyberScoop Top insurer CNA disconnects systems after cyberattack https://www.cyberscoop.com/cna-cyber-insurance-breach/ [07:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Top insurer CNA disconnects systems after cyberattack - CyberScoop [07:46] techrights-bot NEWS #PortSwigger Security researcher launches #GoFundMe campaign to fight legal threat over vulnerability disclosure https://portswigger.net/daily-swig/security-researcher-launches-gofundme-campaign-to-fight-legal-threat-over-vulnerability-disclosure [07:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-portswigger.net | Security researcher launches GoFundMe campaign to fight legal threat over vulnerability disclosure | The Daily Swig [07:50] techrights-bot NEWS #CUJOAI Restricted Environment IoT Hacking: All You Need Is a Remote Shell https://cujo.com/restricted-environment-iot-hacking-all-you-need-is-a-remote-shell/ [07:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Restricted Environment IoT Hacking: All You Need Is a Remote Shell - CUJO AI [07:51] techrights-bot NEWS #CoryDoctorow #Privacy #Surveillance Zuckerpunch https://pluralistic.net/2021/03/25/facebook-has-a-facebook-problem/#played-for-zuckers [07:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pluralistic.net | Pluralistic: 25 Mar 2021 Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow ● Mar 27 [08:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 19.66 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.05 swarm size (avg): 157.61 [08:50] techrights-bot NEWS #ITWire Google's triumphant 11 zero-day report exposed govt operation: claim https://itwire.com/security/google-s-triumphant-11-zero-day-report-exposed-govt-operation-claim.html [08:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Google's triumphant 11 zero-day report exposed govt operation: claim ● Mar 27 [09:25] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [09:26] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [09:49] lockeanarchist Sometimes I find pretty interesting that these Rust rewrites are, almost all, in permissive licenses. Copyleft is dead but companies don't want to risk anyway. 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A matter of interpretation. http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/03/has-european-commissioner-thierry.html #fosspatents | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/27/#latest [11:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Has European Commissioner Thierry Breton already announced that Apple will have to allow alternative app stores? A matter of interpretation. [11:15] techrights-bot NEWS #Techdirt #Privacy Laws Giving Big Internet Companies A Convenient Excuse To Avoid Academic Scrutiny https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210320/00235946461/privacy-laws-giving-big-internet-companies-convenient-excuse-to-avoid-academic-scrutiny.shtml [11:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Privacy Laws Giving Big Internet Companies A Convenient Excuse To Avoid Academic Scrutiny | Techdirt [11:24] techrights-bot Dance https://pluspora.com/uploads/images/7c23f27374bc430253c0.gif [11:36] techrights-bot We Open-Sourced our #Encryption Software: Here's Why https://hackernoon.com/we-open-sourced-our-encryption-software-heres-why-4v1h33t1 [11:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hackernoon.com | We Open-Sourced our Encryption Software: Here's Why | Hacker Noon [11:40] *mmu_man (~revol@82-65-227-82.subs.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [11:45] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [11:45] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [11:59] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [11:59] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [11:59] *brendyyn (~brendyyn@124-169-144-234.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #techrights ● Mar 27 [12:05] techrights-bot #RMS #RichardStallman #GNU #FSF #freesw https://odysee.com/@Lunduke:e/RMSStillImportant:6 [12:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Proof RMS is Still Important [12:05] techrights-bot #navalny https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/25/world/europe/navalny-health-prison.html [12:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Navalnys Health Is Deteriorating in Prison, His Lawyers Say - The New York Times [12:07] techrights-bot "The sport short: ESO is building the world's largest telescope on a mountaintop in Chile. Think of it as binoculars with a mirror as wide as the Round Tower is high in a building the size of the entire Rosenborg Castle." https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=da&u=https://www.version2.dk/blog/moderne-hardware-fantastisk-1092354 [12:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-translate.google.com | Google Translate [12:07] techrights-bot #WordPress bloat https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2021/03/15/339/ [12:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sysdfree.wordpress.com | WordPress classic editor! | systemd-free linux community [12:08] techrights-bot #FSFE != FSF https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/105954844399007716 see http://techrights.org/2020/08/23/back-stabbing-richard-stallman/ http://techrights.org/2012/07/07/debian-vs-ubuntu-on-uefi/ [12:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.ar.al | Aral Balkan: "Still think the FSF is relevant and fighting for " - Arals Mastodon [12:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Leak: Richard Stallman (RMS) Was Betrayed by Matthias Kirschners FSFE, Which Closely Connected With People Who Attack Stallman | Techrights [12:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | FSF and FSFE Both Speak Out Against UEFI; Ubuntu Drifts Away From FSF, Whereas Debian Comes Closer to FSF | Techrights [12:08] techrights-bot "Illustrating what an absolute joke the RMS/FSF crucifixion attempt is, is that (M$ GH) issues/PRs about factual errors or more diverse (should I say 'inclusive') opinions are closed (and apparently even deleted), because "too many people already signed"." https://x0f.org/@FreePietje/105950613548469148 [12:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-x0f.org | Free Pietje: "Illustrating what an absolute joke the RMS/FSF cr" - unidentified instance [12:08] techrights-bot #CancelCulture Is Only Getting Worse https://mstdn.io/@wzqtparor/105948091973443930 [12:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mstdn.io | [RMS] : "Cancel Culture Is Only Getting Worse https://www" - Mastodon [12:10] techrights-bot #gnome working for #ibm -- the company that profited from gassing gay and trans people (IBM founder got a medal from Hitler) https://masgnulinux.es/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/gnome.png [12:11] techrights-bot #ibm #redhat https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=es&u=https://masgnulinux.es/que-te-jodan-red-hat/ [12:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-translate.google.com | Google Translate [12:12] techrights-bot "Red Hat is the main enemy of free software. I said well. Behind the mask that they produce open source software (sic), the real truth is that they buy from developers" https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=es&u=https://masgnulinux.es/que-te-jodan-red-hat/ [12:13] techrights-bot The term "darkweb" resurfaces, because apparently #privacy is a crime now. And never mind racial connotations #ibm might tell you the word has... https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/jail_terms_for_two_in_finlands_first_dark_web_contract_killing/11858453 [12:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Jail terms for two in Finland's first dark web contract killing | Yle Uutiset | yle.fi [12:13] techrights-bot #colorado https://thehill.com/homenews/media/545159-usa-today-editor-fired-for-post-colorado-shooting-tweet [12:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-USA Today editor fired for post-Colorado shooting tweet | TheHill [12:13] *koo5 (~koo5@37-48-25-239.nat.epc.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [12:14] techrights-bot Some loud minority of bigots in #georgia wants rigged election https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/25/politics/georgia-state-house-voting-bill-passage/index.html they cannot win otherwise... [12:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com | Georgia voting bill: Republicans speed sweeping elections bill restricting voting access into law - CNNPolitics [12:14] techrights-bot "I do think we need to not get distracted by the whole focus on RMS and judging him as good or bad as a person and continue to think about the overall mission of the free software movement." https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2021-03/msg00072.html [12:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.gnu.org | Re: Support RMS [12:15] techrights-bot #gnomefoundation is a hateful, toxic org that violates its own rules and its leaders then go working for #microsoft https://odysee.com/@DistroTube:2/gnome-board-members-must-resign-in:c [12:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | GNOME Board Members Must Resign In Disgrace [12:16] techrights-bot "I still urge people to support RMS in this matter because defending truth is important." https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2021-03/msg00070.html [12:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.gnu.org | Re: Support RMS [12:18] techrights-bot #suse stands for #proprietarysoftware and its CEO works for SAP, so what else can be expected? https://odysee.com/@Lunduke:e/SUSEEFFStallman:6 [12:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | SUSE, EFF Attack Stallman [12:19] techrights-bot old: #systemd , 10 years later: a historical and technical retrospective https://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2020/05/02/0/ #ibm #redhat [12:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.darknedgy.net | systemd, 10 years later: a historical and technical retrospective [12:20] techrights-bot old: " #Systemd is not an init system" http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=120652&start=0 [12:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.debian.net | Debian User Forums View topic - Combatting revisionist history [12:20] techrights-bot old: "The origin of Richard Stallman and the free software ideas he developed is from a time before computers became an integral part of ordinary peoples lives, the 70s." https://www.wetheweb.org/post/cancel-we-the-web [12:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wetheweb.org | #Cancel We The Web? [12:22] techrights-bot "The main contributions of Bill Gates and Steve Jobs to computing was to shit in the pool of grass-roots creativity. Jobs, far more than Gates, was able to polish his turd to a fine sheen." https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@lightweight/105958040749504926 [12:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.nzoss.nz | Dave Lane: "The main contributions of Bill Gates and Steve Jo" - Mastodon - NZOSS [12:22] techrights-bot "I can guarantee this is the best impromptu rant against Microsoft and their disdain for your privacy that you will watch today (from yesterdays Supdate)" https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/105955684252481116 [12:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.ar.al | Aral Balkan: "I can guarantee this is the best impromptu rant a" - Arals Mastodon [12:23] techrights-bot "Whenever you say but it doesnt matter if X gets funded/sponsored by Google, Facebook, etc. youre basically pissing in the faces of those of us who would rather struggle than accept their dirty money and legitimise those surveillance capitalists or compromise our integrity." https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/105955364834411191 [12:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.ar.al | Aral Balkan: "Whenever you say but it doesnt matter if X gets" - Arals Mastodon [12:23] techrights-bot "The pine64.org domain belongs to all members of the PINE64 community. Got a PINE64 project going? Did you write a #PinePhone app or hacked new functionality into the #PinebookPro?" https://fosstodon.org/@PINE64/105957623112088991 [12:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fosstodon.org | PINE64: "The pine64.org domain belongs to all members of t" - Fosstodon [12:24] *brendyyn has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [12:25] techrights-bot NEWS #meduza #ru #russia #RuNet scammers launch fake business version of #TikTok https://meduza.io/en/news/2021/03/26/runet-scammers-launch-fake-business-version-of-tiktok [12:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE [12:29] schestowitz Ariadne: https://twitter.com/ariadneconill/status/1374011913009565698 [12:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ariadneconill: so far the only 'lead' techrights has that RMS is 'back in' at FSF is somebody dropping that in the IRC. [12:29] schestowitz but we were right ;0) [12:29] Ariadne yes, it was a good scoop [12:30] schestowitz https://twitter.com/wwahammy/status/1373821668624322560 [12:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wwahammy: Also, the guy running techrights is a douchenozzle but it's the source I have. [12:30] schestowitz "douchenozzle" [12:30] schestowitz such lovelt and nice people [12:30] schestowitz very polite [12:30] schestowitz very inclusive [12:30] schestowitz "douchenozzle" [12:30] schestowitz they fail to see their own hypocrisy on such matters [12:31] Ariadne personally, i'm not a fan of ad hominem attacks but :) [12:31] schestowitz he accused RMS of being a "Safety" problem [12:31] schestowitz using some twist on the word "safety" [12:31] schestowitz anyway, here we are... and so far we've gotten the facts right [12:32] Ariadne well, it may be unsafe to be an "emacs virgin" in his presence [12:32] Ariadne mostly because he will not stop talking about emacs [12:32] techrights-bot NEWS #Techdirt Senator Elizabeth Warren Goes Over The Line; Threatens To Punish Amazon For 'Snotty Tweets' https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210326/13051246498/senator-elizabeth-warren-goes-over-line-threatens-to-punish-amazon-snotty-tweets.shtml [12:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Senator Elizabeth Warren Goes Over The Line; Threatens To Punish Amazon For 'Snotty Tweets' | Techdirt [12:33] schestowitz btw [12:33] schestowitz about that [12:33] schestowitz virgins are guys too [12:33] schestowitz mostly guys, I think [12:33] schestowitz so they tried to spin that as sexist [12:33] schestowitz which made no sense [12:33] schestowitz in 2009 he had to clarify that [12:33] schestowitz it was also, back them, gnome foundation leads the attack [12:33] schestowitz people who led it would later work for Redmond [12:34] Ariadne i once was on the same flight as RMS and he would not shut the fuck up about somebody having bose quietcomfort headphones [12:34] schestowitz they keep trying hard to make scandals out of little solid ground [12:34] schestowitz Ariadne: sorry to hear that :-) [12:34] schestowitz arrest him [12:34] Ariadne they almost did [12:35] techrights-bot NEWS #TruthOut #DannyGlover Joins #Amazon Organizers on the Ground in Lead-Up to Union Vote https://truthout.org/video/danny-glover-joins-amazon-organizers-on-the-ground-in-lead-up-to-union-vote/ [12:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Danny Glover Joins Amazon Organizers on the Ground in Lead-Up to Union Vote [12:35] Ariadne he finally agreed to shut up and the plane finally departed [12:36] schestowitz what are those headphones? [12:36] schestowitz I don't get it [12:36] schestowitz quietcomfort? [12:36] Ariadne noise cancellation headphones [12:36] schestowitz what did he say? [12:36] Ariadne they use an analog circuit to generating masking noise [12:36] Ariadne he thought they had some sort of firmware (they don't) [12:36] schestowitz ah, makes sense [12:36] schestowitz in some environments where you want to hear a colleague but not background noise [12:37] Ariadne or listen to music and not background noise [12:37] schestowitz DSPs are circuitry [12:37] Ariadne or whatever [12:37] schestowitz so I imagine they don't publish their designs [12:37] Ariadne yeah but noise cancellation circuits don't involve any computing [12:37] schestowitz many are proprietary components, drop-in components [12:37] schestowitz Ariadne: depends [12:37] schestowitz it does until done with hw dsp [12:38] Ariadne hw dsp would be overkill for that application [12:38] schestowitz depends on we define computation versus data pipelines [12:38] Ariadne maybe if it was bluetooth [12:38] Ariadne or something like that [12:38] schestowitz I see... [12:38] schestowitz anyway, he's kind of funny sometimes [12:38] schestowitz but mostly harmless [12:38] schestowitz ime [12:39] Ariadne i mean, i don't really care about having the source code to random appliances moreso than schematics for them [12:39] schestowitz maybe I'm used to it because i have friend who are deaf or other conditions [12:39] Ariadne what am i going to do? overclock my oven? [12:39] schestowitz so I'm used to being around people who act "different" [12:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 16.18 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 11.61 swarm size (avg): 157.75 [12:39] schestowitz old fashioned ovens are OK [12:40] schestowitz they are also easier to repair [12:40] schestowitz sometimes yourself [12:40] Ariadne i have a new samsung oven [12:40] Ariadne it even has internet of shit connectivity as an option [12:40] techrights-bot NEWS #Techdirt How Mark Warner's 'SAFE TECH Act' Will Make Many People A Lot Less Safe https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210323/07373746473/how-mark-warners-safe-tech-act-will-make-many-people-lot-less-safe.shtml [12:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How Mark Warner's 'SAFE TECH Act' Will Make Many People A Lot Less Safe | Techdirt [12:40] Ariadne if i wanted to pay $20 for the zigbee module [12:40] schestowitz When I was 19 I repaired my own laptop, saved tons of money [12:40] Ariadne but the source code for it does not really give me any value [12:40] Ariadne it's an oven [12:41] Ariadne i don't know shit about ovens [12:41] schestowitz maybe we'll care more in the future [12:41] schestowitz and rely on others jail-breaking them [12:41] schestowitz e.g. to disable microphones [12:41] schestowitz some kitchen appliances become rather malicious [12:41] Ariadne it doesnt have any microphones [12:42] schestowitz yet [12:42] *rianne (~rianne@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:2c45:931a:a4da:9843) has joined #techrights [12:42] *asusbox (~rianne@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:2c45:931a:a4da:9843) has joined #techrights [12:44] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [12:45] *asusbox2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [12:48] *brendyyn (~brendyyn@124-169-144-234.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #techrights [12:55] Ariadne well, if there's nanoprobes in it that can create microphones on demand of samsung, i *would* love to have the source code to them ● Mar 27 [13:01] schestowitz remember: [13:01] schestowitz if you said 20 years ago toothbrushes would have bluetooth [13:01] schestowitz and upload data to companies that work with intel agencies [13:01] schestowitz people would call you craaazy [13:04] DaemonFC[m] The Illinois politicians are still trying to ban GTA. They claim, again, that the game rewards killing the cops. [13:05] DaemonFC[m] If you try to have a firefight with the cops, you get a SWAT team. If you survive the SWAT teams and police helicopters shooting at you, the Army comes out. [13:06] DaemonFC[m] Eventually, they kill you and you lose whatever mission you were on and respawn at a hospital less a lot of money and all of your weapons. [13:06] schestowitz I read about it [13:06] schestowitz wasn't that a while back, like start of the month? [13:07] schestowitz meanwhile Utah is trying to ban pr0n again [13:07] schestowitz not sure if Mormom influence... [13:07] DaemonFC[m] They're designed to be an obstacle and the more you fight them, the worse it gets. You have to get away and wait for the heat to die down. [13:07] schestowitz *mon [13:07] techrights-bot Birds https://pod.haxxors.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_bf35f56971f07dd915f2.gif [13:08] *luvr (5bb39d12@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.179.157.18) has joined #techrights [13:08] DaemonFC[m] If you have to, kill one or two and get out of there, but the game isn't going to reward it. It'll try to kill you some other way because you had to do it. [13:09] DaemonFC[m] About the only time you can get into a shootout and win is when it's a limited number of bad guys as part of a mission and the game doesn't just keep spawning more. [13:10] *schestowitz gives voice to luvr [13:10] schestowitz GTA? [13:10] schestowitz I only played the first one [13:10] DaemonFC[m] So the game actually penalizes you severely for killing the police and rewards you for killing bad guys, kind of. Even then, you have to do it out where there's no witnesses. [13:10] schestowitz that was in the late 90s [13:10] schestowitz didn't like that game mucch [13:10] DaemonFC[m] Yeah. [13:11] schestowitz some say the game is stress relief [13:11] DaemonFC[m] The games used to be isometric, like Fallout was. [13:11] schestowitz and prevents from actually shooting actual people [13:11] schestowitz bear in mind I always never game anymore [13:11] schestowitz I find them addictive [13:11] *luvr has quit (Client Quit) [13:11] schestowitz and I'm susciptible to getting addicted to them if I improve [13:12] schestowitz Alex Oliva got addicted to some games [13:12] schestowitz he told me, but afaik he only plays free/libre ones [13:12] DaemonFC[m] They had to cut down GTA V to get it on the XBOX 360, by not by much. They said it didn't have enough working memory to have a first person view inside a car, so you had to do it in third person. There were less songs in the soundtrack because the game had to fit on a DVD. [13:12] DaemonFC[m] If they used Ogg Vorbis, they would have all fit. [13:13] techrights-bot NEWS #EFF #Censorship Even with Changes, the Revised PACT Act Will Lead to More Online Censorship https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/03/even-changes-revised-pact-act-will-lead-more-online-censorship [13:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Even with Changes, the Revised PACT Act Will Lead to More Online Censorship | Electronic Frontier Foundation [13:14] DaemonFC[m] The 360 being cut down is good in some ways. [13:14] DaemonFC[m] They expanded the PC version into the Clown where they can stop piracy because if your copy doesn't pass the smell test or isn't getting updates then they don't let you play. [13:14] schestowitz that's another issue [13:14] schestowitz games are now rented [13:15] schestowitz I used to carry around old doom binaries [13:15] schestowitz now they sell you keys instead of games [13:15] schestowitz you rent it like a hotal room [13:15] schestowitz stadia is one example [13:15] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, you put Doom on any computer and it's Doom. [13:15] schestowitz gnu/linux powered, but only at the back end, and usually chrome-only [13:15] schestowitz stadia is failing [13:16] schestowitz people in venezuela used adobe stuff on the clown [13:16] DaemonFC[m] Ugh, hotel room. Mandy said some old lady he works was asking about that dump we were living in. I told him if she only needs to live somewhere for ten days just pay the extra $200 and stay somewhere where the maid isn't some guy with a grill and a hair pick and there aren't syringes everywhere. [13:16] schestowitz when orange clown decided to attack the country economically people there lost not just access to the software [13:16] schestowitz but also to their files [13:17] DaemonFC[m] So in a way, I did suffer for an entire year. Mandy thought I'd lost my mind when I pulled out the cooler and was sitting in a lawn chair fishing in a retention pond. [13:18] schestowitz well, you see worse in tando [13:18] schestowitz tondo [13:18] DaemonFC[m] Asked me what I thought I'd catch. I said, oh a shopping cart about yay big. [13:19] DaemonFC[m] Yes, with GTA there's a monthly fee of course. [13:19] DaemonFC[m] They keep releasing islands and heists and then everyone complains about how rushed and poorly designed it was. [13:19] schestowitz hidden fees [13:19] schestowitz like buying cars with installments [13:20] DaemonFC[m] Their latest one, there's no do over. You go to the island once and whatever happens there is permanent. [13:21] DaemonFC[m] So you have to read about what happened when other people eventually won. What's the fun in that? Normal game, you lose and then you figure out a different strategy. Like, okay, I went down that hall and tripped a wire and the alarm went off. [13:23] DaemonFC[m] There's a goldilocks zone with video games. Like, you have to be able to win but it can't be so hard that people just give up. [13:23] techrights-bot NEWS #DemocracyNow #Evanston , #Illinois , to Pay #Reparations to Black Families Harmed by Decades of Racist Housing Policies https://www.democracynow.org/2021/3/26/evanston_illinois_reparations_black_residents [13:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | Evanston, Illinois, to Pay Reparations to Black Families Harmed by Decades of Racist Housing Policies | Democracy Now! [13:24] DaemonFC[m] That's why Knights of the Old Republic II was pretty good. You get to the end and the boss is so good with the "dark side of the force" that your arms are sore after you eventually do beat the game. [13:26] DaemonFC[m] All of the good Star Wars games were like that. They plays like that. The Dark Side is basically Machiavellianism. The Dark Side characters are tougher because they're willing to misuse the force in order to attack and kill and serve their own ambitions. A Jedi is limited to defending himself and using it for knowledge. [13:26] DaemonFC[m] *play [13:29] DaemonFC[m] The Dark Side characters in the movies and books often do win (Qui-Gon Jinn _and Obi Wan Kenobi barely managed to defeat Darth Maul, who tricked them and lived through being cut in half and thrown down a pit), or come close (Palpatine would have killed Luke Skywalker without Vader turning on him because he was using too much of his power to notice his control on Vader slipping), or at least come close. [13:29] DaemonFC[m] The subtext of course is that Machiavellian people have a weakness. They're blinded by their own ambition to the point where they miss something obvious. [13:30] techrights-bot Videos: How the #FreeSoftwareFoundation Defied the Corporate Media and an Online Mob That Media Was Herding http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/free-software-foundation-was-right/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/27/free-software-foundation-was-right/ [13:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Videos: How the Free Software Foundation Defied the Corporate Media and an Online Mob That Media Was Herding | Techrights [13:32] DaemonFC[m] I think GTA is pretty balanced, but politicians are lying about it. [13:32] schestowitz needing the linelight [13:32] schestowitz bashing games gets them attention [13:32] schestowitz because it's so controversial [13:33] schestowitz Jack Thompson in Florida... [13:33] schestowitz iirc, he was disbarred eventually [13:33] DaemonFC[m] And it's obvious why. They have to go back to voters and promise them easy solutions. It doesn't sell when you go to voters in a high crime district and say the cops should be out there arresting their children and they need to stop promoting thug culture. [13:33] DaemonFC[m] Bye, see ya, onto the guy who blames a video game. [13:34] DaemonFC[m] mjg59 probably sees a lot of that in the ghetto....in the ghetto. [13:34] DaemonFC[m] :) [13:34] DaemonFC[m] No, blaming video games "isn't racist". [13:35] DaemonFC[m] Calling criminals losers who are either going to plug each other or end up in jail eventually isn't politically correct. [13:36] DaemonFC[m] You piss off gamers, who maybe need to pay attention that hey this guy is an idiot, and look to see what they can do to vote as a bloc to support a primary challenger or something. [13:36] schestowitz Oliva: [13:36] schestowitz > My own observations are that the outbursts in LibrePlanet IRC channels [13:36] schestowitz > was unanimously favorable (lots of cheering and clapping and YAY!, I was [13:36] schestowitz > so moved that I even failed to express it myself :-) [13:36] schestowitz > [13:36] schestowitz > As expected, corporate media didn't have good words to share about it. [13:36] schestowitz > Broader community reactions seem to be mixed, also as expected, but I'm [13:36] schestowitz > surprised and happy to see strong responses and bs-calling in the [13:36] schestowitz > relitigation of the nonsense raised against Richard. [13:36] DaemonFC[m] I mean, they have online chat communities. Why aren't they working as a group to take down the politicians who are behind this? [13:37] DaemonFC[m] You should be pissing off anyone who goes, "Hey, asshole. We have a constitution that says freedom of expression!". [13:37] DaemonFC[m] Because the same people who want to ban video games are trying to cancel Dr. Seuss and throw books into a pile to be burned. [13:37] DaemonFC[m] And we all know where that ends. [13:38] DaemonFC[m] The guy dumping the lighter fluid on the books is mjg59, as soon as he gets done signing petitions hosted on shithub that people laugh at. [13:38] DaemonFC[m] He's weak and ineffectual, and he deflects by attempting to troll. [13:39] DaemonFC[m] But he's so comically deficient in his arguments that they fall apart immediately, often within the first few sentences of his citation. [13:39] DaemonFC[m] That's why they need safe spaces. [13:39] DaemonFC[m] They rot certain online communities and cancel people who have a difference of opinion with a CoC, but you can build a new community somewhere else. [13:40] psydroid The most disappointing thing for me is that Red Hat as the so-called prime advocate for free (or later on open source, when the corruption had already set in) software decided to side with IBM and Microsoft rather than the free software community, considering it was doing well enough financially and wasn't fighting for its survival like those other companies were doing [13:40] DaemonFC[m] The problem is that Microsoft will eventually buy Discord, which has been pretty open up until now, and then shove a CoC on it, and then user growth will plateau and then go into terminal decline, and it'll be another expensive write off. [13:40] DaemonFC[m] Because few people want to be controlled the way the PC Nazi babies like Garrett and Microsoft want to control them. [13:41] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft corrupts either by buying or by having patsies ruin platforms and communities by trolling and sockpuppetry. [13:42] DaemonFC[m] And they haven't bought Matrix dot org or Element, yet, but they're corrupting by positioning patsies everywhere. [13:42] schestowitz psydroid: very true! [13:42] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [13:42] DaemonFC[m] On what's left of IRC as well. [13:42] schestowitz See what I said about them in the video minutes ago (just published) [13:42] schestowitz but... I won't boycott IBM/Red Hat [13:42] schestowitz I will respond if they boycott our leaders [13:43] DaemonFC[m] Garret can be a patsy on IRC because there's a Matrix bridge, so he can work against two communities at the same time. [13:43] schestowitz we can do better than them [13:43] schestowitz they are the intolerant ones [13:43] DaemonFC[m] The bridges have made Matrix a vampire squid, because there's little incentive to write or maintain IRC clients now. [13:44] DaemonFC[m] Matrix will just bridge into them and half your users will be bridged in, not actually running IRC. [13:44] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: [13:44] schestowitz Microsoft: "Mind Control: To control mental output you have to control mental input. Take control of the channels by which developers receive information, then they can only think about the things you tell them. Thus, you control mindshare!" [13:44] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/comes-3096.pdf [13:44] schestowitz bbiab [13:44] schestowitz wanna record something [13:44] psydroid Microsoft(-connected) people call me a freeloader tell me to go and see a psychiatrist and if I tell them outright they are astroturfers and I support them in their endeavours to seek help themselves, they go berserk [13:44] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft is taking over Rust because it already had developer attention. [13:44] psydroid I always treat people the way they treat me, which is a good and a bad thing, but I can't help it [13:45] DaemonFC[m] It's a lot of things, but I don't believe it's stupidly designed. [13:45] DaemonFC[m] Maybe it can be bent that way if Microsoft keeps "buying in". [13:46] DaemonFC[m] They did a Java VM and then when they got people hooked on it because of great performance on Windows, they started crapping it up with non-standard classes that depended on Win32. [13:46] DaemonFC[m] In a sense, it became "better" (on Windows anyway), to use an API that was Java-like, but a stub to Win32. [13:47] DaemonFC[m] Sun did a lot of things to shoot themselves in the foot, like licensing it to Microsoft in the first place. [13:47] psydroid I never used Visual J++, but the Sun JVM and Borland JBuilder [13:47] DaemonFC[m] But also, not designing it in a way that ran particularly well on PCs of the time. [13:48] DaemonFC[m] In Netscape, you'd come across sites that used Java and it would grind your hard drive for 20 seconds just "starting java......". [13:48] DaemonFC[m] So I turned Java off because the applets were usually something unwanted and stupid that took forever on dial up. [13:49] DaemonFC[m] It's always faster to not load something than it is to load it, on any connection. [13:49] psydroid I got a pre-release version of Visual Studio .NET and .NET Framework 1.0 and wrote some code to experiment with it, but abandoned it when I realised that they wouldn't allow you to access low-level APIs [13:49] DaemonFC[m] I wasn't even considering security. It was just so annoying to have Java start up. [13:49] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [13:49] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [13:50] DaemonFC[m] And then the bundled JVM with Netscape was horrible. Eventually, Netscape co-existed with more modern browsers that could load a regular Java runtime, but the Netscape one would spend a bunch of time starting to error out or crash the browser completely. [13:50] DaemonFC[m] Sun hurt itself in a lot of ways. [13:51] DaemonFC[m] I think it was 2002, I noticed there was a Netscape 4.8 and I'm like "WTF.... Why are they even releasing this?". Contractual obligations to support it apparently. [13:53] DaemonFC[m] Firefox isn't decaying that badly yet, I guess. [13:54] DaemonFC[m] The 4.0 series of Netscape was just awful and they kept patching it up for over 4 years, and it just never ended with the bugs. [13:54] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: It's the browser that gets the most recognizable screen time in Stargate SG-1 though. [13:55] DaemonFC[m] I started distributing a "Custom Edition" of Netscape 4.x that rebased on whatever AOL was releasing but used an ISP customization kit. [13:55] DaemonFC[m] I'm pretty sure it violated the EULA, btw. [13:56] DaemonFC[m] I gutted it of most of the bundled AOL software and removed the "Shop" button and some other stuff. [13:57] DaemonFC[m] It had a prefs file much like Firefox does, and it turns out that which buttons were displayed in the toolbar could be set there. [13:57] DaemonFC[m] AOL put this big fat Shop button right next to the Stop button. [13:59] DaemonFC[m] I got pissed off because a stop button actually made a lot of sense on dial up if there was some huge resource loading. Some Windows users who made websites would just shove a bitmap file on their website, or take a huge resolution JPEG and resize it using an HTML tag. ● Mar 27 [14:00] DaemonFC[m] But AOL obviously stuffed this thing here so you'd accidentally hit it and go to an online shopping portal. [14:12] *tr_guest|15865 (5d22b98b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.93.34.185.139) has joined #techrights [14:13] *schestowitz gives voice to tr_guest|15865 [14:15] tr_guest|15865 huh? irc has always been a text based mistery to me :D [14:16] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [14:16] tr_guest|15865 was just reading http://techrights.org/2019/09/17/rms-witch-hunt/, feels actual these days [14:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why I Once Called for Richard Stallman to Step Down | Techrights [14:16] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [14:20] *tr_guest|15865 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [14:28] techrights-bot Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149299 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [14:28] techrights-bot #HowTo Clean Up Snap Versions to Free Up Disk Space http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149300 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to Clean Up Snap Versions to Free Up Disk Space | Tux Machines [14:29] *AVRS has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [14:33] *AVRS (~AVRS@wikimedia/AVRS) has joined #techrights [14:33] *sleepy-woke (5d22b98b@93-34-185-139.ip51.fastwebnet.it) has joined #techrights [14:36] *schestowitz gives voice to sleepy-woke [14:36] *schestowitz gives voice to CrystalMath [14:36] *schestowitz gives voice to cowona [14:37] *schestowitz gives voice to AVRS [14:37] *schestowitz gives voice to koo5 [14:38] *schestowitz gives voice to rsheftel10 [14:38] MinceR DaemonFC[m]: what caught my eye was something that looked like xchat but with a nicklist also on the left side, or at least the widgets on top of the nicklist also on the left side [14:38] *schestowitz gives voice to ohama [14:40] MinceR Ariadne: Hellwig v VMware also seems to break provisions against patent treachery [14:41] MinceR all it takes for a parasite to embed the entire codebase into something much larger that is proprietary, and boom, no more GPLv3 [14:43] *zleap (~zleap@unaffiliated/zleap) has joined #techrights [14:46] CrystalMath the signatures for the good letter - it's over 3000! [14:47] CrystalMath i really wish we stopped with this +m stuff [14:47] CrystalMath it was better as a free speech channel [14:47] sleepy-woke good letter for what? (just got here) [14:47] MinceR the one in support of rms [14:48] sleepy-woke where can I find it? [14:48] CrystalMath https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ [14:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rms-support-letter.github.io | An open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman | An open letter in support of RMS. [14:48] CrystalMath you can sign without github [14:48] CrystalMath there are ways, it says on the page [14:48] sleepy-woke that's good news, thx! [14:50] sleepy-woke so, to summarize, is this another round of witchhunting? [14:52] schestowitz r [14:52] schestowitz > Saw the video, nice! The last time I was on ars technica was when the info about MS repos and VS was in Raspberry Pi OS. Comments were all for MS and I was like... this is NOT the ars I remember. [14:52] schestowitz > P.S. I rolled out a distro for pi based on bullseye - no windows repos! :) [14:52] schestowitz sleepy-woke: it's a recycled effort [14:52] schestowitz they have a go every decade or so [14:52] schestowitz 1998 OSI [14:52] MinceR it's an attempt by parasites to take over the FSF by installing their own management there [14:52] schestowitz 2009: "emacs virgins" phony 'scandal [14:53] schestowitz 2019: pretending he supports rape [14:53] MinceR they make use of a horde of crybullies to make it happen [14:53] DaemonFC[m] Then there was the dumbed down XChat. [14:53] *schestowitz gives voice to zleap [14:53] DaemonFC[m] The one that GNOME developers did. [14:53] schestowitz raspi OS fork on the way... [14:54] schestowitz the community is getting stronger [14:54] schestowitz now we know our enemies better [14:54] schestowitz they showed their cards [14:55] sleepy-woke it's really depressing seeing so many famous projects and individuals jumping on the bandwagon... [14:56] MinceR well, yeah [14:56] MinceR but now you know their worth [14:57] sleepy-woke good god, even the Tor project... [14:59] schestowitz This is funny: [14:59] schestowitz > I know you've been busy lately :) but here's an update on voting process at OSI... if you haven't heard. [14:59] schestowitz > Re-vote at OSI was a no go today... but received an email about the future plan in an update? Content here: [14:59] schestowitz > https://opensource.org/election_update [14:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.org | OSI Election Update: Trust and Transparency in the 2021 Board Election | Open Source Initiative [14:59] schestowitz > [14:59] schestowitz I do an article about it atm [14:59] zleap cool [14:59] schestowitz sleepy-woke: Tor as a project doesn't work for software freedom [14:59] schestowitz so they showed their cards [14:59] zleap yay i have voice, thanks [14:59] schestowitz some people could not be convinced [14:59] zleap schestowitz, long time no chat [14:59] schestowitz but now they see what tor stands for... or not [14:59] zleap we used to communciate on mastodon [14:59] schestowitz zleap: same name? [14:59] zleap yes ● Mar 27 [15:00] schestowitz yes, mastodon is volatile [15:00] schestowitz instances shutting down [15:00] zleap ah not good [15:00] schestowitz twice in a row in my case [15:00] zleap why, or is that down to the content you were posting [15:00] schestowitz IRC is easier to work with anyway [15:00] sleepy-woke what could be a viable chat alternative? self hosted matrix and the likes? [15:00] schestowitz all that social control media with notifications is really difficult [15:00] zleap it is for conversations [15:00] zleap irc that is [15:01] schestowitz sleepy-woke: that's also an option [15:01] schestowitz we talked about it here 2 days ag [15:01] schestowitz *ago [15:01] superkuh We should all just leave netcat open on an agreed upon port and connect directly to each other using IP address. :| [15:02] sleepy-woke there could be some serious natting probs xD [15:03] MinceR or we could run sshd on an eepsite (or hidden service) on the same host as an ircd :> [15:04] MinceR apparently the i2p term is "i2p server tunnel" [15:05] sleepy-woke haven't used i2p in a long time, is it still active? [15:05] sleepy-woke seems to be, I'll give it another round :) [15:07] MinceR not sure, but at least it isn't controlled by crybullies [15:07] schestowitz btw, it's very very difficult to have quick conversations in social control media sites [15:08] schestowitz they don't have usability in mind [15:08] *aindilis (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights [15:08] schestowitz the "everything as a web page" mentality is harming the "UX" cargo cult's creed [15:08] schestowitz some things ought to be an application [15:08] schestowitz like KNode for NNTP [15:08] sleepy-woke bzzz.. did I hear electron? xD [15:09] schestowitz or thunderbird for email [15:09] sleepy-woke thunderbird ftw, really can't stand webmail [15:10] DaemonFC[m] Nintendo price fixing. [15:10] DaemonFC[m] Even Gonad eventually understood it. [15:11] DaemonFC[m] He was looking for a "deal" on a video game his grandson wanted, and the price was always within a nickel at any store he was at, and I said, "Well, Nintendo uses its monopoly by setting the number of copies in circulation. The only way to get a better deal is to wait for the game to be old enough that there are used copies that people are tired of that Nintendo has to compete with.". [15:11] DaemonFC[m] But now with "Downloadable Content", they took away the second use market too. [15:12] sleepy-woke talk about nintendo, never seen their first parties on sale [15:12] DaemonFC[m] The price of NES, SNES, and N64 cartridges has gone way up again. [15:12] DaemonFC[m] Should have held onto those. [15:12] DaemonFC[m] Over the years, they get damaged or destroyed. Nobody is making new ones. [15:13] sleepy-woke and if buy a darn digital game, you can't share its expansions in the same family account [15:13] sleepy-woke i argued with their customer support, for nothing [15:13] zleap this is the problem with non free stuff eh [15:14] sleepy-woke they're going beyond the old system, with digital you haven't even a cart to keep for yourself or to share [15:14] zleap yeah [15:15] DaemonFC[m] Gog sells them on reasonable terms I guess. [15:15] zleap all the more reason for this current fsf crisis to be resolved, the fsf to emerge stronger and start taking some true leadership [15:15] DaemonFC[m] No DRM. Money back if they can't get it to work on your computer for some reason. [15:15] DaemonFC[m] That's more than you usually get. [15:15] schestowitz zleap: crisis? [15:15] schestowitz maybe pr issue [15:16] schestowitz but I work on an article atm [15:16] schestowitz if you want to help me proofread [15:16] schestowitz it contradicts that thesis about "crisis" [15:16] zleap well both, end of the day, the fsf needs to emerge stroger [15:16] schestowitz lots of free publicity [15:16] zleap and learn from what has happened [15:16] sleepy-woke well... i don't think that the fsf can be "saved", at this point. too many snowflakes [15:16] schestowitz The FSF Got a Tonne of Free Media Coverage/Publicity While the OSI Goes Defunct Completely (a Corpse of an Institution, Weaponised Against Free Software) [15:16] schestowitz I am waiting for the video to finish uploading (200mb) [15:16] zleap ah ok [15:17] schestowitz sleepy-woke: no, loud minority [15:17] schestowitz I am told by insiders the people inside, the core people, are happy [15:17] zleap i have send some ideas to the libreplanet list, if concerns are raised you need to listen and take them seriously then resolve the issues [15:17] schestowitz just a bit surprised by the intensity of the counter-attack [15:17] zleap it could be a simple mis understanding, but people should feel safe at work [15:18] schestowitz gnome, osi, fsfe etc. were always against them and rms [15:18] zleap schestowitz, well i think this has been festering for a while, it was probably a matter of time [15:18] schestowitz they only "like" FSF is it takes orders from sponsors such as Google [15:18] schestowitz they don't like the FSF [15:18] schestowitz they try to control the FSF and change it [15:19] zleap people need to feel safe at work, and this is from experience of someone who has not felt safe in the work place [15:19] zleap so a lot of my ideas on dealing with things, comes from experience(s) [15:19] sleepy-woke you mean that they are supporting the current witchhunt to avoid the risk of being dumped? [15:20] zleap sleepy-woke, showing their true colours and aligence or shooting themselves in the foot depending on how you look at it [15:20] sleepy-woke that makes sense, unfortunately [15:22] sleepy-woke I wonder, what could be an effective way of opposing the mob? [15:22] schestowitz "Safe" as in... work security? [15:22] schestowitz employment? [15:22] sleepy-woke I think zleap meant exactly that [15:23] zleap schestowitz, being able to feel safe at work, raise concerns or worries and be listened to, which is not jst about others behavioir, problems at home , you speak up and someone can help [15:24] zleap but also an open plan office is less easy for people to get too close or try and harrass you [15:24] zleap where as closed pods make it easier, no one can see you or others, [15:25] zleap or you may need time off for family issues, you should not be afraid to ask, for help in that respect [15:25] schestowitz those are rare [15:25] zleap yes [15:25] schestowitz employers feel threatened [15:25] schestowitz by any critics [15:25] schestowitz I tried [15:25] schestowitz and got in trouble at times [15:25] schestowitz but eventually the managers got fired [15:25] zleap so we need to build a better work place then [15:25] schestowitz it's risky, but sometimes it's wotth it [15:26] schestowitz the FSF seems more open and receptive to critics... than the mob attacking its right to exist [15:26] zleap women feel very threatened by men, still get whistles, comments etc [15:26] zleap schestowitz, i am suggestig ideas as it is more constructive to saying the fsf should do, or should have done more [15:26] schestowitz that's a societal cultural thing [15:26] zleap schestowitz, indeed [15:26] schestowitz happens a lot outside the workplace too [15:26] schestowitz cab drivers, shop keepers... [15:27] schestowitz so it's not limited to workplaces [15:27] schestowitz just as it's wrong to assert free software is intolerant... any more than CS/STEM or society in general [15:27] schestowitz those are PR tricks [15:27] zleap but i think in toronto buses can drop women off at street corners for example it is a safety thing so the are closer to home or other stops [15:27] schestowitz and the whole "let's drop master" stuff if designed to cause infighting [15:28] zleap schestowitz, i understand master / slave in the context of hard disks has nothing to do with slavery [15:28] schestowitz yes, but it's a non-issue [15:28] zleap that is just an excuse by the mob to attack / cancel people [15:28] schestowitz they use their media to say it is [15:28] schestowitz and then people fight [15:28] zleap they want to divide [15:28] sleepy-woke the master / slave issue is absurd [15:28] schestowitz yes, it's a tactic [15:29] schestowitz it's in their strategy documents [15:29] schestowitz to weaken the rivals you divide them [15:29] zleap i can see how it makes sense, but it is still nonsense when there are currently people being shot for protsting in myanmar [15:29] schestowitz and then they destroy each other [15:29] zleap perhaps if they want to complain about human rights, they should cancel the myanmar leaders [15:29] zleap complain, - stand up for human rights [15:29] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/06/24/freedom-of-speech/ [15:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Lets Ban Bombings, Not Words (Corporations Taking Away Peoples Freedom of Speech So They Can Bomb in Peace) | Techrights [15:30] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/09/29/banning-the-word-master/http://techrights.org/2020/09/29/banning-the-word-master/ [15:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM Fought for Master Race and Now Its Banning the Word Master | Techrights [15:31] zleap people forget history or the bits they want to forget [15:31] *sleepy-woke1 (~master@93-34-185-139.ip51.fastwebnet.it) has joined #techrights [15:31] zleap where as history is too intertwined together for that [15:32] *sleepy-woke has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [15:32] schestowitz that's the job of PR people [15:32] schestowitz IBM sends PR people at us [15:32] schestowitz to say IBM is against racism [15:35] *sleepy-woke1 (~master@93-34-185-139.ip51.fastwebnet.it) has left #techrights [15:35] schestowitz They've been doing that for a decade or more http://techrights.org/2011/06/01/ibm-pr-fails/ [15:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM PR is Shaping the News (and Asks to Remain Secret) | Techrights [15:35] *sleepy-woke1 (~master@93-34-185-139.ip51.fastwebnet.it) has joined #techrights [15:35] schestowitz you have to wonder what rhey told PJ/Groklaw.. [15:36] schestowitz maybe as remnant from the old days... [15:36] schestowitz IBM still a lot of leverage over the media [15:36] zleap yea [15:36] zleap and i guess education [15:36] schestowitz lots of employees there.... many on legal department (patent extortion) and "sales" [15:36] *sleepy-woke1 (~master@93-34-185-139.ip51.fastwebnet.it) has left #techrights [15:37] schestowitz they now work with the 'Ljnux' Foundation to erase their past [15:37] schestowitz they totally googlebombed the media [15:37] schestowitz sponsoring LF, which in turn bribes publishers [15:37] schestowitz to say IBM does projects against racism [15:37] schestowitz not even once acknowledging past and present racist contracts [15:37] *sleepy-snowflake (~master@93-34-185-139.ip51.fastwebnet.it) has joined #techrights [15:38] schestowitz they work with Palantir now [15:38] zleap lets hope the fsf follow the advice, keep you friends close, and your enemies closer (or whatever the actual wording is) [15:39] zleap even the initial debian statement has caused anger (or I get that impression) as it isn't representative of the whole community [15:39] schestowitz no, it's not a good proverb for FSF [15:39] schestowitz they should not keep enemies closer [15:39] zleap ok [15:39] schestowitz it's what eating them [15:40] zleap i think that is more about keeping an eye on them i think [15:40] schestowitz Ben Mako-Hill suggested distancing themselves further from Open Source [15:40] schestowitz and now it seems clear he was right [15:40] zleap yeh [15:40] *sleepy-snowflake has quit (Client Quit) [15:40] schestowitz they're backstabbers [15:40] zleap i think you are right there [15:40] *sleepy-snowflake (~sleepy-sn@93-34-185-139.ip51.fastwebnet.it) has joined #techrights [15:40] zleap maybe they need to bump up hurd development [15:40] schestowitz Debian leadership if problematic [15:40] schestowitz *is [15:40] MinceR hurd is dead [15:40] schestowitz and divisive where it's unnecessary [15:41] zleap ah ok [15:41] MinceR https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/open_issues/systemd.html [15:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | systemd [15:41] schestowitz MinceR: sort of [15:41] schestowitz there are better kernels now [15:41] MinceR a multiserver microkernel OS is pointless if it incorporates the world's biggest single point of failure [15:42] zleap ah ok [15:43] schestowitz http://charles.plessy.org/Debian/debi%C3%A2neries/grToxique/ [15:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-charles.plessy.org | GR toxique [15:43] schestowitz "Many quickly reacted to the return of rms to the FSF and asked that he leaves again; some also asked for the whole board of directors to resign and some not. Meanwhile, Debian discusses a general resolution on that matter. Maybe it was not the original intent, but in practice the object of the GR is about FSF's board of directors. Perhaps we will have the result after rms resigns? Like many GRs, it will divide Debian and leave scars, [15:43] schestowitz at least a tally sheet of who voted what, and who voted like whom." [15:43] zleap i know there are some project leaders who see fit to abuse others, i just hope the fsf can distance them selves from those projects too, as part of a leadershoip showing respect [15:44] zleap people can leave projects as easily as they started [15:44] zleap and do that [15:45] zleap Debian cannot really afford to lose people it is struggling in places as it is to maintain pacakges [15:45] zleap neither can any project [15:46] *schestowitz has quit (Read error: No route to host) [15:46] *schestowitz__ (~schestowi@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [15:46] -NickServ-schestowitz__!~schestowi@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) [15:46] *schestowitz__ has quit (Changing host) [15:46] *schestowitz__ (~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [15:46] zleap a vote for and against does not tell the story, i support RMS as he supports 4 freedoms, i made my cmments on safe spaces to stop or hopefully stop similar situations on non action happening again [15:47] zleap comments [15:47] *laggy (~laggy@93-34-185-139.ip51.fastwebnet.it) has joined #techrights [15:48] *laggy is now known as Guest75889 [15:48] *sleepy-snowflake has quit (Quit: Leaving.) [15:49] CrystalMath a safe-space from false accusations? that's something new that i have never seen [15:49] CrystalMath safe spaces are meant to prop up people who complain about everythng [15:49] CrystalMath *everything [15:50] zleap like i said a safe space allows you to raise concerns or talk about any problems so employers can help you [15:50] *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz__ [15:51] *schestowitz__ gives voice to Guest75889 [15:51] zleap could be a change to working hours or anything, so you feel able to speak up [15:51] schestowitz__ is that what "Safe space" means now? [15:52] zleap i dunno, people should feel safe and not subject to abuse anywhere [15:52] schestowitz__ emotional [15:53] zleap lockdown in the Uk has resulted in an increase in reports of domestic abuse [15:54] schestowitz__ not just UK [15:54] zleap indeed [15:54] schestowitz__ well, people spend more time with other people at home [15:54] schestowitz__ so it is inevitable [15:54] schestowitz__ but office space abuse likely decreased [15:54] zleap esp during lockdown when work places are closed [15:54] schestowitz__ fewer jobs, fewer offices [15:55] zleap I think you said earlier all the whistling and comments towards people come from social issues, [15:55] *brendyyn has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [15:55] schestowitz__ some homes are not even suitable for the number of tenants [15:55] zleap indeed [15:55] schestowitz__ they assume some are away somewhere, at least part of the time [15:56] zleap and some tennants are scared to speak out in case they get kicked out by landlords [15:56] schestowitz__ so densely populated towns and overcrowded homes will have more abuse in them [15:56] schestowitz__ landMains [15:56] schestowitz__ or LandLeaders [15:57] zleap well given the impact on mental health this last year has had on people perhaps there will be some changes [15:57] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [15:57] schestowitz__ protest laws changing [15:57] schestowitz__ changes afoot [15:57] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [15:57] schestowitz__ to limit the 'plebs' gathering [15:57] schestowitz__ "to protect them" [15:58] *Guest75889 has quit (Quit: Leaving) [15:58] zleap schestowitz__, on a tech rights viewpoint what do you think to amazon apparently forcing employees in to biometric tracking [15:58] techrights-bot NEWS #ProjectCensored #bezos #policestate Amazons Ring Proactively Partnering with #Police Across the United States - Validated Independent News https://www.projectcensored.org/amazons-ring-proactively-partnering-with-police-across-the-united-states/ [15:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.projectcensored.org | Amazons Ring Proactively Partnering with Police Across the United States - Validated Independent News [15:59] schestowitz__ zleap: this was brought up earlier today [15:59] schestowitz__ [11:38] NEWS #TruthOut Internal Documents Show Amazon Knows Its Drivers Urinate, Defecate in Trucks https://truthout.org/articles/leaked-documents-show-amazon-knows-its-drivers-urinate-defecate-in-trucks/ [15:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Internal Documents Show Amazon Knows Its Drivers Urinate, Defecate in Trucks [15:59] zleap https://www.chargedretail.co.uk/2021/03/24/amazon-is-forcing-drivers-to-sign-biometric-consent-forms-or-risk-being-sacked/ [15:59] schestowitz__ [13:13] NEWS #EFF Dystopia Prime: #Amazon Subjects Its Drivers to Biometric #Surveillance https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/03/dystopia-prime-amazon-subjects-its-drivers-biometric-surveillance RMS warned about such things, but EFF attacks RMS and takes surveillance $ from Google [15:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.chargedretail.co.uk | Amazon is forcing drivers to sign "biometric consent" forms or risk being sacked - Latest Retail Technology News From Across The Globe - Charged [15:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Dystopia Prime: Amazon Subjects Its Drivers to Biometric Surveillance | Electronic Frontier Foundation ● Mar 27 [16:00] *laggy_ (~laggy@93-34-185-139.ip51.fastwebnet.it) has joined #techrights [16:00] *schestowitz__ gives voice to laggy_ [16:00] *sleepy-snowflake (~sleepy-sn@93-34-185-139.ip51.fastwebnet.it) has joined #techrights [16:00] zleap so maybe the definition of safe work spaces need to also include things like this [16:00] schestowitz__ NYTimes recently did an article about Amazon that quotes RMS [16:00] schestowitz__ and it was about boycotting Amazon [16:00] schestowitz__ or a life without Amazon [16:00] schestowitz__ I boycott it myself... since forever [16:01] schestowitz__ some workplaces are not even lawful [16:01] schestowitz__ but without enforcement of the law they get away with it... or pay some fines [16:01] zleap schestowitz__, indeed, hence perhaps safe working environment can probably cover quite a range of issues [16:02] zleap schestowitz__, a fine for amazon is small change for them i guess [16:02] schestowitz__ because they design the law [16:02] zleap yeah [16:02] schestowitz__ it'll never be billions in fines [16:02] schestowitz__ or death sentence to the company [16:02] schestowitz__ "we hereby shut you down" [16:02] *sleepy-snowflake (~sleepy-sn@93-34-185-139.ip51.fastwebnet.it) has left #techrights [16:02] zleap well facebook have shown they can block the news to force or try and force what they want [16:03] schestowitz__ "assets seized by state for crimes against workers" [16:03] lockeanarchist funny that they are always more concerned about UE [16:03] lockeanarchist because UE is a little more strict [16:03] lockeanarchist *EU [16:03] zleap ah [16:04] zleap so yes, safe place to work should be very broad, we have the health and safety at work act for a reason, right to work act, and coming in laws to protect staff from abuse, assault from customers [16:04] zleap not that we need more laws for the latter, we need to enforce existing laws [16:04] schestowitz__ selective enforcement [16:05] schestowitz__ apparently RMS needs to be sacked [16:05] schestowitz__ "he looks at her funny..." [16:05] zleap he may yet be asked to leave, after any due process takes place [16:06] zleap lets see what happens [16:07] zleap looks like signatures are coming in, maybe people are searching for actual statements as to what has happened rather than reading selective parts [16:08] laggy_ well, believing everything one reads on the net from partial sources is never a good idea [16:08] lockeanarchist would be bad if rms do his own little parallel foundation to support some projects and advocacy? [16:08] zleap yeah [16:08] laggy_ it probably would be seen as a crazy man's nest [16:08] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:09] schestowitz__ no need [16:09] schestowitz__ FSF is OK [16:09] zleap i think rms should perhaps just stick to taking about software freedom etc, and leave issues such as trans, etc out of it [16:09] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:09] zleap esp as what he says gets taken out of context to attack him [16:10] zleap and will do, as the hate mob will just look at the past all the time [16:10] laggy_ the point is that he never talked about such issues from himself, and in some circumstances it would be seen even worse if he didn't give an answer at all [16:10] zleap yeah [16:10] zleap he can't win [16:10] zleap people can't win on these issues [16:10] schestowitz__ they will find other grounds for attack [16:10] zleap indeed [16:10] schestowitz__ so we do not identify the root cause [16:11] schestowitz__ brb [16:11] zleap ok [16:11] schestowitz__ Checking http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/osi-completely-defunct/ report typos! [16:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The FSF Got a Tonne of Free Media Coverage/Publicity While the OSI Goes Defunct Completely (a Corpse of an Institution, Weaponised Against Free Software) | Techrights [16:11] zleap https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-55158319 [16:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Amazon's Panorama box lets firms check if staff follow coronavirus rules - BBC News [16:11] laggy_ didn't know OSI what still a thing [16:12] lockeanarchist it is [16:12] zleap given that, there are far more pressing issues that we need to address now, we have got to make a stand against all this surveylance [16:12] MinceR it exists, it just happens to work counter to its original purpose [16:12] psydroid they have been able to do so because they initially misrepresented what their goals were and what they were doing, so people just went along not realising what kind of monster it actually was going to be [16:12] zleap psydroid, indeed [16:12] psydroid unfiltered RSS feeds is what we have needed all along, but unfortunately credible news sources have been dying out [16:12] lockeanarchist But I think that OSI is just a corporate advocacy group, not a FLOSS ag [16:13] zleap a good reason to push the fediverse, and help drive that forward, encourage people to set up their own instances [16:13] zleap i am ona few science RSS feeds [16:13] laggy_ that's the only sensible way of really protecting one's privacy [16:14] zleap laggy_, and this is where we need the fsf to eb strong , as these platforms run on free software [16:14] zleap even if the fsf don't promote say Mastodon directly [16:15] laggy_ federation is an awesome concept but not always easily feasible, hence the comfort offered by the priers [16:15] zleap which reminds me i propbably have a social hub discussion to respond to [16:15] zleap yeah [16:16] zleap but it is a start, convincing others to dump facebook they are just blind to what is going on, [16:17] laggy_ i've seen a little spike in signal adoption, after the whatsapp drama [16:17] lockeanarchist about osi. even esr was cancelled last year by them [16:17] lockeanarchist don't know the reasons tho [16:19] zleap laggy_, there was yes [16:19] zleap I am linking to some fediverse flyers on my blog https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/tag:Fediverse [16:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-personaljournal.ca | Fediverse Paul Sutton [16:20] zleap which can be downloaded from the qoto gitlab [16:20] zleap try and do something to help with promotion [16:20] zleap or I am trying [16:21] laggy_ nice! and i've just read cloudflare... argh my rage is pumping [16:21] zleap sorry [16:22] zleap i just use the services [16:22] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/634648.jpg [16:22] techrights-bot The #FSF Got a Tonne of Free Media Coverage/Publicity While the #OSI Goes Defunct Completely (a Corpse of an Institution, Weaponised Against Free Software) http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/osi-completely-defunct/ #Techrights #GNU #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/27/osi-completely-defunct/ [16:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The FSF Got a Tonne of Free Media Coverage/Publicity While the OSI Goes Defunct Completely (a Corpse of an Institution, Weaponised Against Free Software) | Techrights [16:22] laggy_ zleap: lol I read it on the flyer :> [16:23] zleap i don't even understand what cloudflare is, or how to get round it [16:23] schestowitz__ MinceR: it's not even milk [16:23] schestowitz__ not lactose [16:23] zleap i didn't design them, i am just hosting them to help spread the word [16:23] schestowitz__ it's just water with stuff in it [16:23] MinceR :) [16:23] schestowitz__ "may contain some almond bits... and sugar" [16:24] zleap it is like on the wallace and grommt film where grommit puts a box over wallace, box has label may contain nuts [16:24] laggy_ could contain traces of [16:26] DaemonFC[m] Someone donated a sweater to Goodwill with $42,000 in the pocket, and the employee that found it returned it to the owner. [16:27] DaemonFC[m] When my grandmother died, she had over $60,000 in cigar boxes in the house. [16:27] techrights-bot Corporations do not want Stallman back at the #FSF (we did a detailed article about how the corporate media was spreading lies about what he had said and done); but thats fine because the #FreeSoftwareFoundation (FSF) stands for people, whether they code or not http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/free-software-foundation-was-right/ gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03 [16:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Videos: How the Free Software Foundation Defied the Corporate Media and an Online Mob That Media Was Herding | Techrights [16:27] DaemonFC[m] She had survived the Depression and didn't trust banks with their money, so it just piled up as the pension checks came in. [16:27] laggy_ that was a big pocket, and your grandma was a remarkable saver! [16:27] DaemonFC[m] They owned their house and so their only real expenses were utilities and property tax. [16:27] zleap i saw on the news a while back people found bottles of whisky in side their house, hidden since the prohibtion days [16:27] zleap worth quite a lot of money [16:28] DaemonFC[m] My uncle found the money and he's a good man, so he told his brothers and sisters about it. [16:28] zleap :) [16:28] DaemonFC[m] They spent money on the funeral and then they split what was left in five ways. [16:28] laggy_ lucky! my family wasn't that friendly [16:28] techrights-bot FOSS Patents: #Samsung gets 'westerndistricted' by non-practicing entity asserting LED patents in Waco, TX http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/03/samsung-gets-westerndistricted-by-non.html "undisputed "market leader" among all roughly 100 U.S. federal judicial districts. " #fosspatents [16:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Samsung gets 'westerndistricted' by non-practicing entity asserting LED patents in Waco, TX [16:29] techrights-bot The zombie body known as #OSI is totally destroyed (it cannot even figure out who speaks for it!); its incapable of resuscitating itself, so its just strapping on a suicide vest and trying everything it can possibly leverage to destroy the #FSF http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/osi-completely-defunct/ #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/ [16:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The FSF Got a Tonne of Free Media Coverage/Publicity While the OSI Goes Defunct Completely (a Corpse of an Institution, Weaponised Against Free Software) | Techrights [16:30] *Narrator (adam@jarowit.net) has joined #techrights [16:31] techrights-bot "This is the response I got from RMS. It sounds as if he strongly wantsthose minor points. Are we interested in having Debian be "the" GNU system? I'd rather be "the" Linux system and avoid the politics." http://techrights.org/transparency/debian/debian-private/msg00387.html [16:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | NO TITLE [16:31] DaemonFC[m] My spouse was unhappy that I set up a 401(k) for him. His employer starts matching on the first pay period after his first year with the company, which is coming up. [16:32] DaemonFC[m] I told him that if they're going to throw in a matching $2,000 a year, he's not going to leave that on the table because if he works there for 30 years, that's whatever the inflation adjusted amount of $60,000 extra would be. [16:32] DaemonFC[m] In other words, a year and a half of pay forfeit if you don't contribute to your retirement account. [16:32] techrights-bot "Highly undiplomatic behavior. The "Linux is not an operating system" flap he made on the linux-kernel list did not gain him anything, it just made him new enemies. Why, then, did he do it?" http://techrights.org/transparency/debian/debian-private/msg00660.html [16:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | NO TITLE [16:33] DaemonFC[m] Employers love those people who say "Why would I start a retirement account. I'm not going to retire from here!". [16:33] DaemonFC[m] The money's yours, even if you got fired. You can roll it over into another 401(k). [16:34] techrights-bot "Note that empathy is not the same thing as "yes sir, yes sir." And, frankly, I'm amazed at anyone who expresses reverence towards RMS." http://techrights.org/transparency/debian/debian-private/msg00666.html [16:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | NO TITLE [16:35] DaemonFC[m] Mandy works with a bunch of people who didn't save anything. [16:35] techrights-bot it is possible." http://techrights.org/transparency/debian/debian-private/msg00676.html [16:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | NO TITLE [16:35] DaemonFC[m] That should be a warning. Either put money in now and disregard it while it matches and grows, or figure out what working at Walmart is like when you're 70. [16:35] zleap I think he wants people to acknolwedge that Linux (kernel) is linked to the gnu tools and licesne [16:35] techrights-bot "Sometimes RMS won't agree with our interpretation of his goals, but much of the time, we should be able to reach a common ground. At least once, I was able to convince RMS to change his mind through some pressure and a lot of (somewhat) reasoned arguments. I know that it is possible." http://techrights.org/transparency/debian/debian-private/msg00676.html [16:36] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz__: I actually did some research. The ERISA law does exempt employer-sponsored 401(k)s from most garnishment creditors. [16:36] zleap i think that is a good thing we don't always agree, it allows argumetns and counter arguments to view points [16:36] DaemonFC[m] The exceptions are federal (but not state) taxes, alimony, and child support. [16:36] techrights-bot "I've just read an article from Richard Stallman (FSF) with the following title in gnu.announce: ! [ 82: Richard Stallman ] The FSF is no longer sponsoring Debian" http://techrights.org/transparency/debian/debian-private/msg00689.html [16:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | NO TITLE [16:36] zleap techrights-bot, woah, so fall out from debians reaction then [16:36] DaemonFC[m] I was thinking "But what if Mandy has a hospital bill and they just snatch all his retirement money.". But apparently this type of account can't be garnished. [16:37] techrights-bot #RMS on enforcing against #Qt http://techrights.org/transparency/debian/debian-private/msg06707.html [16:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | NO TITLE [16:37] DaemonFC[m] I suppose that's one upside of having a government that doesn't do shit for you. [16:38] DaemonFC[m] The immigration scheme has to consider whether you'll be a burden on the public, but since unpaid hospital bills are a gypsy curse on you, that's not their problem like it would be in a country with national healthcare. [16:38] DaemonFC[m] In the UK, they're probably very concerned about letting in someone that could end up using the hospital. [16:39] DaemonFC[m] In return, they'll want more evidence that you can pay a lot of taxes and won't have any health concerns for a while. [16:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 18.20 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 4.85 swarm size (avg): 157.90 [16:40] techrights-bot "The following is an exchange I've been having with Richard Stallman over yesterday and this morning. My conclusion is that what he is asking for is not stuff that it's reasonable for us to do, that that Debian can not work together with FSF." http://techrights.org/transparency/debian/debian-private/msg00329.html [16:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | NO TITLE [16:40] zleap if you are not a UK resident and need hospital care while here, you are meant to pay for it [16:40] zleap or something not too sure [16:41] techrights-bot 2 years before #OSI http://techrights.org/transparency/debian/debian-private/msg00332.html [16:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | NO TITLE [16:41] laggy_ some countries cover foreign healthcare costs, as long as it is a vacation stay [16:41] techrights-bot "THIS THING CALLED OSI was all along an attack on the FSF, which predates it by 13 years. Yes, 13 years. OSIs unstated goal was to steal the thunder and grab the limelight" http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/osi-completely-defunct/ [16:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The FSF Got a Tonne of Free Media Coverage/Publicity While the OSI Goes Defunct Completely (a Corpse of an Institution, Weaponised Against Free Software) | Techrights [16:42] techrights-bot #Debian GNU/Linux 10.9 Buster Released with 30 Security Updates, #GRUB2 Patches http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149301 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian GNU/Linux 10.9 Buster Released with 30 Security Updates, GRUB2 Patches | Tux Machines [16:43] zleap tehre is a european health card to do that [16:43] laggy_ well, after OSI, we could talk about Microsoft's sudden love for Linux when they realized that their own cloud sucked... cough... azure .. cough [16:43] zleap i still don't trust microsofts love on Linux given their history of embrace, extend extinguish [16:44] laggy_ of course they cannot be trusted [16:44] laggy_ they're in there for the money, as google and amazon [16:44] zleap yeah [16:44] MinceR there's no reason to trust them [16:44] zleap i got 2 go, have emailed the discussion link between rms and someone here to myself for later discussion [16:44] MinceR they haven't stopped using patents to blackmail Linux device vendors into preinstalling microsoft malware on devices [16:45] MinceR they haven't showed the slightest bit of remorse or lack of hostility [16:45] MinceR they just lie in ads and people today are so stupid they tend to believe everything they see in ads [16:45] zleap they lie in ads posted to facebook [16:45] zleap or as people call it fakebook [16:46] zleap anyway got 2 go, if ytou need me on fedi it's @zleap@qoto.org lets connnect and work together to help spread free software etc [16:46] zleap chat later [16:46] *zleap has quit (Quit: Leaving) [16:48] DaemonFC[m] https://abc7chicago.com/10451399/?ex_cid=TA_WLS_FB&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A%20Trending%20Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook [16:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-abc7chicago.com | 'F*** this place': Hot mic catches Southwest Airlines pilot's expletive-filled rant against San Francisco Bay Area - ABC7 Chicago [16:50] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/738751.jpg [16:52] *laggy_ (~laggy@93-34-185-139.ip51.fastwebnet.it) has left #techrights ("Leaving") [16:53] *Narrator (adam@jarowit.net) has left #techrights [16:54] *Narrator (adam@jarowit.net) has joined #techrights [16:54] *psydroid believes putting Microsoft out of business is a first but necessary step to make the world a better place [16:59] techrights-bot #debian leadership tactless dividing its own project/community. This will harm them. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149083?page=1#comment-28858 [16:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good News! Richard Stallman is Back at Free Software Foundation | Tux Machines ● Mar 27 [17:00] techrights-bot #debian leadership tactlessly dividing its own project/community. This will harm them. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149083?page=1#comment-28858 [17:04] techrights-bot Putting a stain on your face https://hugelolcdn.com/i/738751.jpg [17:05] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149302 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [17:25] techrights-bot Links 27/3/2021: #Debian GNU/Linux 10.9 and Speaking to the #Lutris Creator http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/debian-gnu-linux-10-9/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/27/debian-gnu-linux-10-9/ [17:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 27/3/2021: Debian GNU/Linux 10.9 and Speaking to the Lutris Creator | Techrights [17:25] techrights-bot #ProprietarySoftware and #DRM Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149303 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software and DRM Leftovers | Tux Machines [17:25] techrights-bot Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149304 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [17:33] AVRS schestowitz__: on the main page, there are links to IPFS and Gemini, but no obvious ways to get to articles on what they are [17:37] MinceR https://xkcd.com/2414/ [17:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Solar System Compression Artifacts ● Mar 27 [18:22] *Narrator (adam@jarowit.net) has left #techrights [18:25] DaemonFC[m] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mAz0PxiUaM [18:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Robert Picardo on the Golden Girls - 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Predictably, the [22:29] schestowitz__ calls to reverse his reinstatement resound round the Web: [22:29] schestowitz__ Richard M. Stallman, frequently known as RMS, has been a dangerous force in the free software [22:29] schestowitz__ community for a long time.[1] [22:29] schestowitz__ I agree that RMS is dangerous. He is a clear and present danger to those corporate vultures who - threatened by [22:29] schestowitz__ the ascendancy of free software over their proprietary strongholds - sponsored the 2019 attack that cancelled his [22:29] schestowitz__ presidency. MIT professors reciprocated by cancelling his position as Visiting Scientist pretending that they [22:29] schestowitz__ didnt know how to read. Should we be surprised that the most prominent of the calls to exile RMS from the very [22:29] schestowitz__ movement he founded is hosted by a Microsoft server? [22:29] schestowitz__ Just who is abusing women? The devices employed by the cancel vultures include abusing women, female [22:29] schestowitz__ faces (who dont code) exploited to advocate against RMS so-called misogyny. The reason sexist jokes are [22:29] schestowitz__ embedded in hacker culture is because like puns, music and sci-fi, they are part of the hacker identity. To quote [22:29] schestowitz__ Madeline Albright [f]rankly, this is not cojones - the FSF caved in to the vultures; failed to rise up!! [22:29] schestowitz__ I am appalled that Alexandre Oliva, was asked to resign on account of his fundraising message suggesting that [22:29] schestowitz__ prospective members advise the FSF of their interest in having RMS reinstated. RMS will need allies by his side, [22:29] schestowitz__ not only to counter attacks by the vultures, but to realise a vision for the future of the FSF, GNU and the Free [22:29] schestowitz__ Software Movement itself. [22:29] schestowitz__ (written by female) [22:29] schestowitz__ MinceR: yeah, all that for an image of animation! [22:40] *Narrator (adam@jarowit.net) has joined #techrights [22:40] *Narrator (adam@jarowit.net) has left #techrights [22:40] schestowitz__ Re: Ehmke and creative commons [22:40] schestowitz__ > https://creativecommons.org/2021/03/19/open-minds-podcast-coraline-ada-ehmke-on-ethical-source/ [22:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-creativecommons.org | Open Minds Podcast: Coraline Ada Ehmke on Ethical Source - Creative Commons [22:40] schestowitz__ > [22:40] schestowitz__ > I had supported free culture. [22:40] schestowitz__ > I had even worked with the commons. [22:40] schestowitz__ > In 2014, I believe they closed their physical doors, not that this really matters but we were told for lack of funding. [22:40] schestowitz__ > [22:40] schestowitz__ > Ehmke and creative commons. [22:40] schestowitz__ > I will not support commons at all now. At. all. [22:40] schestowitz__ I saw that myself. I follow them over RSS. [22:40] schestowitz__ Then more people pointed this out to me as well.. [22:40] schestowitz__ CC is clearly making itself enemies. It didn't have to... [22:41] MinceR curious [22:41] schestowitz__ > Great news, because I am exhausted! Was feeling a bit defeated. [22:41] schestowitz__ > [22:41] schestowitz__ > :) [22:41] schestowitz__ > [22:41] schestowitz__ > The good thing is we know where Redhat and creative commons stand, as well as others... [22:41] schestowitz__ Wait, did CC said anything about RMS? Or just giving platform to that troll? [22:42] MinceR CC signed the hatchet job against RMS [22:42] MinceR so they're crybullies [22:42] MinceR ehmke is also a crybully [22:42] MinceR yet now they're at each others' throats [22:42] MinceR i hope they take each other out [22:42] schestowitz__ all of CC? [22:42] schestowitz__ or just a few people? [22:43] MinceR as an "organization" [22:43] schestowitz__ yuck [22:43] schestowitz__ bye, cc [22:43] MinceR so it depends on how they're controlled [22:43] schestowitz__ yes [22:43] schestowitz__ sometimes people sign for the org [22:43] MinceR the CEO also signed on their own [22:43] schestowitz__ and later it turns out many in the org dissent [22:43] schestowitz__ they used to have ito as ceo [22:43] schestowitz__ and... [22:43] schestowitz__ he was facilitating the billgates payments at mit [22:43] MinceR then they can reform their organization, with more caution about whom they trust [22:43] schestowitz__ via epstein [22:44] schestowitz__ Ito: http://techrights.org/2020/05/27/joi-ito-email/ [22:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Joi Ito Already Admitted on the Record That Bill Gates Had Paid MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein | Techrights [22:44] CrystalMath FreeDOS signed it, heh [22:44] CrystalMath well they're about to get a competitor - me [22:45] MinceR :> [22:45] CrystalMath not because of this, though [22:45] schestowitz__ freebsd don't support fsf [22:45] CrystalMath CM-DOS is an old-ish idea [22:45] schestowitz__ shock horror [22:45] MinceR FreeBSD are a bunch of crybullies [22:45] schestowitz__ anyway, it's behind us now [22:45] MinceR they had a CoC before Linux did [22:45] schestowitz__ donate to FSF if you can [22:45] schestowitz__ anyway, we have some good articles coming soon [22:46] MinceR it's sad to see that even the Tor Project and x.org are crybullies [22:46] schestowitz__ I am checking some drafts of people, too [22:46] schestowitz__ some people will break their silence shortly [22:46] schestowitz__ MinceR: expected from Tor [22:46] schestowitz__ X were never THAT keen on FS [22:46] schestowitz__ Free software [22:46] schestowitz__ BUT: http://techrights.org/2020/09/18/keith-packard-on-rms/ [22:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Keith Packard: Richard Stallman Was Right (About the GPL) | Techrights [22:46] schestowitz__ they know rms was right [22:47] schestowitz__ didn't like his 'style' [22:47] schestowitz__ some people say they cannot speak to him [22:47] schestowitz__ but I even managed to change his mind countless times before [22:47] schestowitz__ on ubuntu spyware, physical switch for microphones on laptops [22:47] schestowitz__ he also got my briefs on lf and osi [22:47] schestowitz__ I think he's rightly selective who he trusts [22:48] schestowitz__ based on perceived motivations [22:48] schestowitz__ lots of backstabbers over the years [22:48] schestowitz__ inc., at times, at FSF [22:48] schestowitz__ people like jgay ● Mar 27 [23:01] MinceR (audio) https://i.imgur.com/Abh7Cz6.mp4 [23:03] schestowitz__ Oliva has an article coming [23:03] schestowitz__ https://FSFLA.org/blogs/lxo/ [23:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsfla.org | ::[FSFLA]:: Blonging for Freedom [23:10] *simpleman has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [23:10] *simpleman (570d8332@87.13.131.50) has joined #techrights [23:11] *schestowitz__ gives voice to simpleman [23:11] *schestowitz__ gives voice to genr8_ [23:11] schestowitz__ we might be the subject of more trolling/abuse in days to come [23:12] *simpleman2 (570d8332@87.13.131.50) has joined #techrights [23:12] schestowitz__ just a headsup [23:12] schestowitz__ because the mobsters did not get their way [23:12] schestowitz__ RMS stays [23:12] simpleman Does you think about Italo Vignoli? Is he controlled by corporations or is he honest? [23:12] MinceR :) [23:13] schestowitz__ long night ahead... looong [23:14] schestowitz__ simpleman: OSI [23:14] schestowitz__ I mentioned it before [23:14] schestowitz__ in text and in audioc [23:14] schestowitz__ *audio form [23:14] schestowitz__ Italo = OSI Board [23:14] schestowitz__ And then you need to look into what controls OSI [23:14] schestowitz__ nobody else in TDF or LO expressed concerns about RMS [23:14] schestowitz__ that I saw [23:15] schestowitz__ Meeks sort of changed his mind [23:15] schestowitz__ he supported RMS in 2019 [23:15] schestowitz__ now, due to social pressure, without the facts having changed at all, he doesn't say the samwe [23:15] schestowitz__ as for SUSE, it's just their clueless CEO [23:15] schestowitz__ a salseperson from SAP [23:15] schestowitz__ in KDE nobody spoke aboyt it [23:15] MinceR SUSE's been an enemy of free software for ages [23:15] schestowitz__ their Board issued a polite statement [23:16] schestowitz__ LOook at who DOES NOT oppose RMS [23:16] schestowitz__ rather than who does [23:16] MinceR look at who supports RMS :> [23:16] schestowitz__ employers warn staff not to publicly support rms/fsf [23:16] schestowitz__ as they fear the online mob [23:16] schestowitz__ MinceR: not all of them [23:16] MinceR time to quit, i guess [23:16] schestowitz__ Novell maybe [23:16] schestowitz__ some SUSE people come here to IRC [23:16] schestowitz__ and read the site Techrights, support GNU etc. [23:17] MinceR SUSE still serves the microsoft agenda [23:17] schestowitz__ SUSE cannot run without some free software devs [23:17] schestowitz__ but SUSE's rot is at the higher tier [23:17] MinceR and they signed this anti-RMS letter as well [23:17] schestowitz__ MinceR: the sales people [23:17] schestowitz__ as a company? [23:17] schestowitz__ and if so, who did that? [23:17] schestowitz__ likely some managers [23:17] MinceR yes, as an organization [23:17] schestowitz__ and the engineers who dissent will stay quiet [23:18] MinceR some non-managers among the personal signatories [23:18] schestowitz__ SUSE made no statement [23:18] schestowitz__ maybe they just added a sig [23:18] schestowitz__ maybe even due to pressure [23:18] MinceR it's a bit of a stretch to call systemd distribution maintainers "engineers" :> [23:18] schestowitz__ that's what the mob did [23:18] schestowitz__ and does [23:18] schestowitz__ it pressures org [23:18] schestowitz__ either you're "AGAINST WOMEN!!" or "SIGN THIS THING" [23:19] MinceR "there should be no difference between Linux distributions and ibm/rh should call all the shots, but at the same time, we insist on making another Linux distribution" [23:19] gullfaxi[m] 15 years ago I would have never imagined rms and fsf falling victims of this kind of fabricated witch hunt [23:19] schestowitz__ https://odysee.com/@Lunduke:e/SUSEEFFStallman:6 [23:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | SUSE, EFF Attack Stallman [23:19] schestowitz__ [12:18] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- odysee.com | SUSE, EFF Attack Stallman [23:19] gullfaxi[m] those pesky social networks [23:19] schestowitz__ he worked for SUSE for 4 years [23:19] schestowitz__ they don't even use gnu/linux [23:19] schestowitz__ the people who run the firm [23:19] MinceR 15 years ago microsoft didn't know how to fight free software, rh and ibm possibly didn't even want to [23:20] schestowitz__ gullfaxi[m]: we have some rebuttals coming [23:20] schestowitz__ we = not just techrights [23:20] MinceR actually my timeline might be off, i'll check [23:20] schestowitz__ the dust has mostly settled [23:20] schestowitz__ I saw just one or two blog posts from the RMS antagonists today [23:20] schestowitz__ brb [23:20] MinceR cancerd was not default in any distribution 15 years ago [23:20] schestowitz__ need to catch up with patent news [23:21] schestowitz__ I am proofreading some other people's essays [23:21] MinceR and ibm wasn't a card-carrying apple shill corporation 15 years ago [23:21] schestowitz__ re RMS [23:21] schestowitz__ MinceR: Palmisano [23:21] schestowitz__ I keep saying [23:21] schestowitz__ IBM helped us wit ODF [23:21] schestowitz__ around 2006 [23:21] schestowitz__ they fought back against SCO [23:21] schestowitz__ but different management back then [23:21] MinceR :) [23:22] schestowitz__ Jim AllowHurst isn't even using linux [23:22] schestowitz__ and he's IBM Pres. now [23:22] MinceR why would a clueless suit use linux? [23:22] MinceR hell, why would anyone at rh/ibm or gnome or proprietarydesktop use linux? [23:22] MinceR they idolize windows and macos [23:22] schestowitz__ delta airline exec [23:22] schestowitz__ a company in collapse [23:22] schestowitz__ even back then [23:22] MinceR they're not engineers [23:22] MinceR they're not IT professionals [23:22] schestowitz__ he 'dabbled' in fedora [23:23] schestowitz__ maybe just to get that red hat job [23:23] schestowitz__ and to appease the rht 'engineers [23:23] schestowitz__ like LP [23:23] MinceR they're just a bunch of idiots hammering out shitty code controlled by a bunch of sociopaths helping other sociopaths destroy the IT industry and usher in a new dark age for us all [23:23] MinceR they make me sick [23:24] gullfaxi[m] probably young people grown up in social networks [23:25] schestowitz__ it's a mass control weapon [23:25] schestowitz__ centralisation of minds [23:25] schestowitz__ and manipulation of what people see [23:25] *simpleman has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [23:25] schestowitz__ and from which ontext [23:25] schestowitz__ [21:13] https://www.dw.com/en/venezuela-facebook-freezes-maduros-page-over-covid-misinformation/a-57026967 [23:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Venezuela: Facebook freezes Maduros page over COVID misinformation | News | DW | 27.03.2021 [23:25] schestowitz__ [21:13] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- Venezuela: Facebook freezes Maduros page over COVID misinformation | News | DW | 27.03.2021 [23:25] schestowitz__ just say anything about COVID... [23:26] schestowitz__ and it it doesn't agree 100% with some narrative, you are a lunatic and we must silence you [23:26] schestowitz__ "to protect the public" [23:26] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2021/02/05/twitter-censorship-bingo/ [23:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Twitter Has Just Suspended the President of FFII for Naming Bill Gates Patent Profiteering and Factual Information About Twitter Censorship (Updated) | Techrights [23:26] gullfaxi[m] our own politicians spreading shit about covid to create consensus don't get the same treatment [23:27] schestowitz__ but that's an aside... [23:27] schestowitz__ we'll do an article about it Sunday [23:27] schestowitz__ " [23:27] schestowitz__ I've been following the news on techrights about the cancelling of RMS since day zero, and there's a detail in the whole story I don't recall reading it there (or anywhere else for the matter). [23:27] schestowitz__ The chronology is fuzzy, but the thing its there. You see, almost at exactly the same time Gates began the onslaught against RMS, suddenly and out of nowhere, if you happen to speak against Bill Gates you're a lunatic. [23:27] schestowitz__ I mean this: at the same time the campaign against RMS started, Bill Gates also started to be the focus of conspiranoia. Comments everywhere about Bill Gates and 5G antenae that breaks your DNA, vaccines with nanochips, Qanon level stuff about deep state and NWO, and stuff like that. And paid media talking about that: lots of news about "Bill Gates thinks this and that about vaccines and global warming", and "look at all the idiotic [23:27] schestowitz__ things crazy people say online about Bill Gates". It's even the case here in Argentina media. [23:27] schestowitz__ So, I believe this attack had THREE fronts. Bashing RMS is one of them: you've been reporting a lot about that. Posing Gates as a goody philanthropist with deep ideas is a second one. You've also said a fair share about that, and is basically every rich person's PR campaign. But there's a third one: trying to let critics as some kind of mentally ill people with serious problems to gasp reality. And that last aspect is barely [23:27] schestowitz__ mentioned in your reports. [23:27] schestowitz__ I tell you this because I'm convinced the timeline of that third aspect matches the one of the Epstein-Gates reveals. The Gates conspiranoia was very sudden and unexpected: Bill Gates was no longer a thing in media since many years ago, and then all of that noise was everywhere in matter of days. Perhaps there's something searchable about that trend, some links to be made? Who knows... maybe that leads to something useful. [23:27] schestowitz__ " [23:28] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/21031628 [23:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5324475) [23:29] XRevan86 MinceR: Kawaii, a [23:29] MinceR :> [23:31] schestowitz__ > Roy: [23:31] schestowitz__ > [23:31] schestowitz__ > [23:31] schestowitz__ > Want morale? Think of it like this: they don't attack people so [23:31] schestowitz__ > viciously unless they're losing. It's when you make no difference [23:31] schestowitz__ > anymore that they just stop caring... [23:31] schestowitz__ > [23:31] schestowitz__ > You can't kill a concept. You can, however, 'kill' people. Sometimes [23:31] schestowitz__ > even literally.... [23:31] schestowitz__ > [23:31] schestowitz__ > [23:31] schestowitz__ > I try to boost RMS' mood whenever I can. I don't know if you picked up [23:31] schestowitz__ > on the joke in my letter to the FSF. I dared not make it too obvious.:-) [23:31] schestowitz__ > [23:31] schestowitz__ > I know about the "killing" only too well. [23:31] schestowitz__ > [23:31] schestowitz__ > The FSF needs to raise funds now, but in the longer term they'll need a [23:31] schestowitz__ > more robust revenue model. Thanks for your continued support of what are [23:31] schestowitz__ > literally "Tech Rights"! We'll talk later. I just thanked the guys at [23:31] schestowitz__ > codeberg.org too. [23:31] schestowitz__ They have allowed people to sign the petition without touching GitHub. [23:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Codeberg.org [23:34] schestowitz__ >>> Even with Zoom, there is still a break in the middle of the meeting for [23:34] schestowitz__ >>> people to visit the bar [23:34] schestowitz__ >> I never used Zoom before. [23:34] schestowitz__ > There is WebRTC support, it works in Firefox on x86 without any extra [23:34] schestowitz__ > downloads [23:34] schestowitz__ > [23:34] schestowitz__ >> In think the anti-RMS mob has lost all momentum by now. [23:34] schestowitz__ > There is a lot of interesting data to be analyzed there [23:34] schestowitz__ > [23:34] schestowitz__ > Some of the questions that come to mind: [23:34] schestowitz__ > [23:34] schestowitz__ > - how many of those signatories ever met RMS? [23:34] schestowitz__ > [23:34] schestowitz__ > - how many are Outreachy/GSOC interns, junior staff, contract staff in [23:34] schestowitz__ > developing countries who have been ordered or misled to sign for the [23:34] schestowitz__ > principles rather than thinking about the person? [23:34] schestowitz__ > [23:34] schestowitz__ > - how many people would regret signing if, hypothetically, the victim of [23:34] schestowitz__ > such a petition committed suicide? [23:34] schestowitz__ > [23:34] schestowitz__ > - how often does the victim of such extreme bullying commit suicide? [23:48] schestowitz__ http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/03/board-of-appeal-in-t180715-continues.html?showComment=1616832139677#c4263560736381605404 [23:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: Board of Appeal in T1807/15 continues with ViCo oral proceedings referral - The IPKat [23:48] schestowitz__ " [23:49] schestowitz__ What does the right to be heard means at the EPO, when the chair of the boards puts himself as chair of the EBA whilst he promoted Art 15aRPBA2020. [23:49] schestowitz__ What is problematic is that by behaving as the do, the members of the EBA, with three potential exceptions, are actually supporting the destructive action of the EPA. [23:49] schestowitz__ In Art 15aRPBA2020, the problem is less the fact that OP as ViCo are imposed upon parties, that the possibility of scattering members of deciding bodies of the EPO across contracting states or even outside. [23:49] schestowitz__ This is not the EPC as it has been set up, and neither the president nor the BOAC and the AC of the EPO have the legitimacy to change the EPC as is foreseen in the New Normal. [23:49] schestowitz__ " [23:49] schestowitz__ WTF??! [23:50] schestowitz__ so much corruption out there [23:50] schestowitz__ which is a higher priority to tackle? [23:51] gullfaxi[m] well, it's the same all the world over [23:52] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: ping [23:52] schestowitz__ can you request those court docs on Gates' engineer? [23:52] schestowitz__ We could really shift the debate back into focus and the real scandals [23:53] schestowitz__ esp. now, DaemonFC[m] [23:53] schestowitz__ RMS is being used as a bit of a "decoy" now [23:53] schestowitz__ projection tactics [23:54] gullfaxi[m] uhm, a decoy luring what? sjws to destroy free software ideology from inside? [23:55] schestowitz__ no [23:55] schestowitz__ let me explain [23:55] schestowitz__ or rather, read this: [23:55] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2019/12/21/police-report-bill-gates/ [23:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mansion of Pedophilia Part II: Dr. Stallman Defamed in the Media One Day After Request Made for King County Sheriffs Office to Divulge Information About Pedophilia in Home of Bill Gates | Techrights [23:56] schestowitz__ the request was made in light of MIT revelations [23:56] gullfaxi[m] oh, didn't read that [23:56] schestowitz__ such as http://techrights.org/2020/05/27/joi-ito-email/ [23:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Joi Ito Already Admitted on the Record That Bill Gates Had Paid MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein | Techrights [23:56] gullfaxi[m] so is it somehow an "attention shift"? [23:58] MinceR a distraction [23:59] schestowitz__ decoy whatever [23:59] schestowitz__ the words don't matter [23:59] schestowitz__ but the underlying PR modality [23:59] schestowitz__ I was told that ages ago [23:59] schestowitz__ with prominent examples [23:59] schestowitz__ not hypothetical one [23:59] schestowitz__ or ones [23:59] schestowitz__ Trump did this a lot [23:59] schestowitz__ look at the book from John Bolton [23:59] schestowitz__ Ivanka had a major scandal