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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IBM brings blockchain to Red Hat OpenShift; adds ApacheDB for hybrid cloud customers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128574 [https://pleroma.site/objects/303796b9-697e-45bf-9635-7ea28c1659e3]Sep 27 00:40
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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/urzl/status/1177367841835819008Sep 27 01:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@urzl: @Microsoft This is what it looks like when you "love" Linux? https://t.co/OJoEArCuWUSep 27 01:49
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cubexyzr_schestowitz, other interesting piece of info....Sep 27 02:31
cubexyzafter certain win10 updates HP laserjet 5's stopped workingSep 27 02:31
cubexyzmany other older devices as wellSep 27 02:32
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Don't be misled by the name. The #linuxfoundation is NOT Linux and it does not speak for Linux. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation [https://pleroma.site/objects/d967a831-c266-4f46-95a2-bff7bd8b1110]Sep 27 02:34
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128575 [https://pleroma.site/objects/90fbfb04-7adc-46cd-af71-fa1b68ab6d1e]Sep 27 02:34
cubexyzpossibly M$ wants PCL to dieSep 27 02:35
cubexyzsince it works with other OSes...Sep 27 02:35
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Richard Stallman To Continue As Head Of The GNU Project http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128577 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8338bc51-4a0e-4bdd-a1a3-86f07eb75839]Sep 27 02:46
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows: Destination Linux, Linux Headlines, Purism's Librem 5 Demo http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128578 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5cb5189e-7704-4499-b6ac-bf245963efa9]Sep 27 02:53
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Compact Arm/Linux IoT protocol conversion gateway has crypto chip http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128580 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d1c8a784-2f00-4108-8fb9-b9b17e926c33]Sep 27 03:03
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Steam and OFF GRID Updates http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128581 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d50458c9-a960-4d33-819e-2830dabca257]Sep 27 03:06
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DaemonFC[m]Microsoft FailsForSure DRM rides again, and on Linux servers this time.Sep 27 03:42
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Lenovo admits ThinkPad CPU throttling problem when running Linux, fix in development http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128583 [https://pleroma.site/objects/803cfeb3-5b39-4d39-9a9d-dd6bc8e55066]Sep 27 04:00
r_schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: ^^Sep 27 04:00
r_schestowitzcan you do something about it againSep 27 04:00
r_schestowitz?Sep 27 04:00
r_schestowitzcubexyz: context?Sep 27 04:01
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat: Ansible Automation Platform, Command Line Heroes and Red Hat’s CEO Jim Whitehurst http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128584 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7193e77a-3de5-49b7-a6d0-da94f64d9416]Sep 27 04:03
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: /e/ is selling Google-free Android phones (in Europe) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128585 [https://pleroma.site/objects/30ad82a9-c563-4b9e-9b1a-69a4ef844763]Sep 27 04:10
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The seriously powerful, six-core Dell XPS 13 goes on sale starting on October 1 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128587 [https://pleroma.site/objects/86a4c8c6-78ef-48c2-8328-5d5b7c398097]Sep 27 04:15
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Finally We See XFCE 4.14 and GNU/Linux Distros with It http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128588 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4aa9fbc4-75c7-4168-b182-835b707f4326]Sep 27 04:20
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kim | KDE Plasma Graphics Service Menu http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128589 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f952d295-4db7-44a9-a628-690826a2ba8a]Sep 27 04:22
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Google Announces Android 10 (Go Edition) for Low-End, Entry-Level Smartphones http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128590 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ec564112-af30-4f9d-a8e5-ca61f7a88492]Sep 27 04:25
r_schestowitzRe: False Accusations Against Linux Security ContinueSep 27 04:51
r_schestowitz> Roy,Sep 27 04:51
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 04:51
r_schestowitz> Thanks to your feedback, I have added an RSS link to our website (LearnSep 27 04:51
r_schestowitz> Linux and LibreOffice dot org). Here is our RSS link:Sep 27 04:51
r_schestowitz> https://learnlinuxandlibreoffice.org/news?format=feed&type=rssSep 27 04:52
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 04:52
r_schestowitz> Also I have just posted a follow up article to the article I wrote lastSep 27 04:52
r_schestowitz> week about the Luli ransomware attacks. This latest article discussesSep 27 04:52
r_schestowitz> two more false allegations made against Linux security. Here is the link:Sep 27 04:52
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 04:52
r_schestowitz> https://learnlinuxandlibreoffice.org/news/false-accusations-against-linux-security-continueSep 27 04:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-learnlinuxandlibreoffice.org | False Accusations Against Linux Security ContinueSep 27 04:52
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 04:52
r_schestowitz> Thanks for posting this latest article. Feel free to email me back ifSep 27 04:52
r_schestowitz> you have any questions or comments.Sep 27 04:52
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 04:52
r_schestowitz> Regards,Sep 27 04:52
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 04:52
r_schestowitz> David Spring M. Ed.Sep 27 04:52
r_schestowitz> Roy,Sep 27 04:54
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 04:54
r_schestowitz> Thanks to your feedback, I have added an RSS link to our website (LearnSep 27 04:54
r_schestowitz> Linux and LibreOffice dot org). Here is our RSS link:Sep 27 04:54
r_schestowitz> https://learnlinuxandlibreoffice.org/news?format=feed&type=rssSep 27 04:54
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 04:54
r_schestowitz> Also I have just posted a follow up article to the article I wrote lastSep 27 04:54
r_schestowitz> week about the Luli ransomware attacks. This latest article discussesSep 27 04:54
r_schestowitz> two more false allegations made against Linux security. Here is the link:Sep 27 04:54
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 04:54
r_schestowitz> https://learnlinuxandlibreoffice.org/news/false-accusations-against-linux-security-continueSep 27 04:54
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 04:54
r_schestowitz> Thanks for posting this latest article. Feel free to email me back ifSep 27 04:54
r_schestowitz> you have any questions or comments.Sep 27 04:54
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 04:54
r_schestowitz> Regards,Sep 27 04:54
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 04:54
r_schestowitz> David Spring M. Ed.Sep 27 04:54
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 04:54
r_schestowitzThis is EXACTLY the sort of journalism we need more of. Fact-checking and all.Sep 27 04:54
r_schestowitzKeep it up, I'll keep abreast via RSS feed.Sep 27 04:54
r_schestowitzoops, sorry, double-pasteSep 27 04:54
r_schestowitzmy bad :/Sep 27 04:54
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: False Accusations Against Linux Security Continue http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128591 [https://pleroma.site/objects/edcac727-24cf-4d4c-96ce-5db6fb5113e3]Sep 27 05:01
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers and howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128592 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c293ad04-2fd9-4553-86b0-135f42497342]Sep 27 05:28
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 27/9/2019: Richard Stallman Head of GNU Project, /e/ Now Selling in Europe http://techrights.org/2019/09/26/stallman-head-of-gnu-project/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/12a8e259-434a-44a4-871d-e5a54ffbd543]Sep 27 05:41
r_schestowitz> Thank you Roy. I am working on another article on Linux Security forSep 27 06:27
r_schestowitz> next week. Sep 27 06:27
r_schestowitzThe ZDNet troll seems to have taken note and changed his tone as a precaution. Sep 27 06:27
DaemonFC[m]The intel.power management thing involving the Lenovo laptops is probably just one more thing Intel is sitting on as people like Matthew Garrett attack anyone who complains.Sep 27 06:44
r_schestowitzmaybeSep 27 06:45
r_schestowitzhe attacked RMS againSep 27 06:45
r_schestowitzafter FSF had given him an AWARD for the 'secure' boot BSSep 27 06:45
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Somehow Microsoft is Always Everywhere Linux Gets Attacked by Lawsuits and Antitrust Actions http://techrights.org/2019/09/27/proxysoft/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/370ee515-52d5-4327-97d0-eca5301aacd4]Sep 27 09:07
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 5 tips for GNU Debugger http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128594 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2c53b1ea-6881-4ba2-be2a-64073f81e1e1]Sep 27 09:34
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: What does an open source AI future look like? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128595 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2f5bd734-a46d-4481-9a41-a53c44b35c6a]Sep 27 09:35
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: ZFS On Linux 0.8.2 Released With Linux 5.3 Compatibility, Many Fixes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128596 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e8afc1cb-979c-4649-ac82-23494403b9e7]Sep 27 09:51
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: NPi i.MX6ULL Industrial-grade Linux SBC Starts at $39 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128598 [https://pleroma.site/objects/722306ed-9655-4df8-b7dd-dfd4b29c6fec]Sep 27 10:17
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu 19.10 (Eoan Ermine) Beta Is Now Available to Download for All Flavors http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128599 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1b025437-3d1d-4eb7-a93e-abf1a65e2ff1]Sep 27 10:45
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: Java Natural Language Processing Tools, AdoptOpenJDK, Python and 5 of the Best Programming Languages for IoT http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128600 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c638a6ca-0c57-4cb1-878b-3399afd48fe2]Sep 27 10:55
psydroidafter reading about Vista 10 supposedly being installed on 900 million devices and the continuing attacks on GNU/Linux I felt the story wasn't complete, so I decided to look for market shareSep 27 11:08
psydroidhttps://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-shareSep 27 11:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gs.statcounter.com | Operating System Market Share Worldwide | StatCounter Global StatsSep 27 11:08
psydroidand apparently over the past decade and especially the last few years Vista has got a much smaller share of end-user computing devices and the trend is generally downwardsSep 27 11:10
psydroidbefore you know it, the operating system may have gone the way of the mainframeSep 27 11:11
insmodppaApples and oranges, IMHO. It's still hard to do any serious work on a mobile device, especially with such a strictly locked down OS.Sep 27 12:50
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psydroidI agree to some point, but the Vista empire is being attacked from all sidesSep 27 13:24
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XRevan86What is the point of naming Шindows 10 Vista10 when Vista was a better OS?Sep 27 13:54
psydroidthat I don't know, because I have never installed or used Vista. I just know Vista 10 is horribleSep 27 13:58
XRevan86The original Vista at least had some quality testing.Sep 27 14:01
XRevan86a dumpster fire of different proportionsSep 27 14:01
psydroidafter 2000/XP I only got into contact with 7 and 8.1 in my jobs (so limited exposure) and more recently 10 on this laptopSep 27 14:09
XRevan86psydroid: If you call 7 Vista7, then you can still notice that 10 is so much worseSep 27 14:10
psydroidXrevan86, what shall I use then? Abomination 10?Sep 27 14:11
XRevan86psydroid: I don't think any name will do it justiceSep 27 14:11
XRevan86NadellaOS? %)Sep 27 14:12
XRevan86Ten BackwardSep 27 14:13
XRevan86"Failures 10"Sep 27 14:15
XRevan86Windows 10 → Win10 → Winnings 10 | Fail10 → Failures 10, an intentional backronymSep 27 14:16
psydroidI like this, we are getting our creative juices flowing hereSep 27 14:17
insmodppa"Spyware"Sep 27 14:20
XRevan86Keylogg's 10Sep 27 14:21
insmodppaIt's frightening how they actually have a keylogger in it and people still use it willingly, knowing it exists.Sep 27 14:21
XRevan86WhatsTheWorstThatCouldHappen the OS.Sep 27 14:22
psydroidthat's the thingSep 27 14:22
psydroidthe keylogger infected people's mindsSep 27 14:22
psydroidso they literally can't see the keylogger that is in front of them, they have become oneSep 27 14:23
psydroidthat's literally what happens when you join the Keylogger collectiveSep 27 14:24
XRevan86CourtanaSep 27 14:26
XRevan86You have the right to stay silent near CourtanaSep 27 14:27
XRevan86* remainSep 27 14:28
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scientesoh, the air is so damn thin in La PazSep 27 16:34
scientesIf I eat a hamburger than I have to stop to catch my breath many times just to *walk* up a hill.Sep 27 16:34
scientes<insmodppa> It's frightening how they actually have a keylogger in it and people still use it willingly, knowing it exists.Sep 27 16:37
scientesboth true and not suprisingSep 27 16:37
DaemonFC[m]Lenovo To Address Linux Laptop Thermal Throttling, Lower Performance Against Windows - PhoronixSep 27 16:38
DaemonFC[m]https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Lenovo-Linux-Thermal-ThrottlingSep 27 16:38
DaemonFC[m]To address this issue with Intel apparently not opening up their DPTF settings for Linux, Lenovo is trying to provide "an improved and smarter firmware design that is OS agnostic" by better monitoring of thermal sensors to determine the most appropriate behavior. Sep 27 16:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lenovo To Address Linux Laptop Thermal Throttling, Lower Performance Against Windows - PhoronixSep 27 16:38
DaemonFC[m]Lenovo will be rolling out new firmware on the Linux Vendor Firmware Service (LVFS) for supported laptops to address this and future platforms will be using the reworked firmware by default.Sep 27 16:38
DaemonFC[m]schestowitzSep 27 16:38
DaemonFC[m]Intel not cooperative. ShockerSep 27 16:38
DaemonFC[m]What did shock me is how quickly Lenovo responded and promised a fix.Sep 27 16:39
DaemonFC[m]Someone says anything Skylake and newer is affected.Sep 27 17:20
DaemonFC[m]I sure haven't noticed if I am affected.Sep 27 17:21
r_schestowitz[11:08] <psydroid> after reading about Vista 10 supposedly being installed on 900 million devices and the continuing attacks on GNU/Linux I felt the story wasn't complete, so I decided to look for market shareSep 27 18:15
r_schestowitzAndroid is a lot biggerSep 27 18:15
r_schestowitzI think all Windows combined would be less than 30% nowSep 27 18:15
r_schestowitzdepends how you measure itSep 27 18:15
r_schestowitze.g. web traffic, number of devices (which counts as "a device")Sep 27 18:15
r_schestowitzanyhooo, the terrain is changingSep 27 18:16
r_schestowitzsadly, the FSF failed to keep upSep 27 18:16
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scientes<r_schestowitz> Android is a lot biggerSep 27 18:29
scientesoh corseSep 27 18:29
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Tannenberg, Encased, Mindustry, Gioteck, Jackbox Party Pack 6 and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128602 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e2ef5eca-cc25-49f5-850d-9fd0eaf948a2]Sep 27 18:30
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128604 [https://pleroma.site/objects/29cd7612-5e2a-4e3e-ad7e-e6facd6d7edf]Sep 27 18:39
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r_schestowitz> Subject: Re: [DNG] ..the D in Systemd is for Directories: PoetteringSep 27 19:01
r_schestowitz> says his creation will phone /home in future ... albeit with broken SSHSep 27 19:01
r_schestowitz> loginSep 27 19:01
r_schestowitz> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 18:25:19 -0400Sep 27 19:01
r_schestowitz> From: Steve Litt <slitt@troubleshooters.com>Sep 27 19:01
r_schestowitz> To: dng@lists.dyne.orgSep 27 19:01
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 19:01
r_schestowitz> On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 12:59:28 +0200Sep 27 19:01
r_schestowitz> "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <dr.klepp@gmx.at> wrote:Sep 27 19:01
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 19:01
r_schestowitz>> Anno domini 2019 Thu, 26 Sep 10:13:56 +0200Sep 27 19:01
r_schestowitz>>  Arnt Karlsen scripsit:Sep 27 19:01
r_schestowitz> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/09/25/systemd_inventor_home_directories/Sep 27 19:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | The D in Systemd is for Directories: Poettering says his creation will phone /home in future • The RegisterSep 27 19:01
r_schestowitz>> "those who do not understand Unix have to reinvet it poorly"Sep 27 19:01
r_schestowitz>>Sep 27 19:01
r_schestowitz> Show of hands: Who ever perceived a problem with using /etc/passwd,Sep 27 19:01
r_schestowitz> /etc/shadow, and /etc/group?   They   just   worked .Sep 27 19:01
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 19:01
r_schestowitz> If this is mainly for laptops, why the attention to home directories?Sep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> On a one-person computer, why have data mixed up with config, cache,Sep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> and who knows what hosted in the home directory? First thing I do withSep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> a laptop is create a /d tree, owned slitt.slitt, to hold my real data.Sep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> Easy to back up, easy to LUKS, survives upgrades and entire OS changes.Sep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> This just isn't needed.Sep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> But of course, the real problem is complexification. All sorts ofSep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> databases to keep all sorts of metadata: Lose a piece and you never getSep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> your drive back. Years before Poettering became a public idiot, I wroteSep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> the following:Sep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> http://www.troubleshooters.com/lpm/201202/201202.htm#_editors_deskSep 27 19:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.troubleshooters.com | February 2012 Linux Productivity Magazine: Escape From KmailSep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> Basically, Kmail became dependent on a huge database called Akonadi andSep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> an always dragging lookup facility called Nepomuk, to the point thatSep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> you couldn't fix things by moving files around or changing a config. ISep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> bailed out of Kmail, and six months later out of KDE. Today I have notSep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> one KDE app or library on my system.Sep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> Poettering is making yet another mess. I wonder if IBM gave theirSep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> blessing to this. IBM all these years has made good money from LinuxSep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> without obfuscating it. I wonder if wunderkind Poettering is makingSep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> IBM's new purchase a problem instead of an asset.Sep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> I wonder what the effect of a few thousand letters to IBM, stating thatSep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> we don't appreciate the complexity of SystemD, would have. After all,Sep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> IBM weren't the fools that hired Poettering, and IBM is perfectlySep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> capable of making money from Linux without complexifying it to create aSep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> monopoly.Sep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> Here's a nice bumper sticker sentence:Sep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> "Don't let your computer be Lennart's hobby: Use Devuan!"Sep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> I think this is a pivot point. If Poettering succeeds in foisting thisSep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> on the Linux universe, we all might as well buy Apple Macs, becauseSep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> we'll be increasingly isolated until hardware isn't even compatible toSep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> us. But if we can convince folks like IBM and Debian that systemd is aSep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> messy piece of crap that will make costly problems forever, thingsSep 27 19:02
r_schestowitz> might turn our way.Sep 27 19:03
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 19:03
r_schestowitz> And this time, in 2019, they can't pull that "we're using a 40 year oldSep 27 19:03
r_schestowitz> init" crap anymore, because s6 is maintained, top quality, and easy toSep 27 19:03
r_schestowitz> install.Sep 27 19:03
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 19:03
r_schestowitz> Does anyone know of people in IBM who would be appropriate receivers ofSep 27 19:03
r_schestowitz> letters pointing out that systemd is an unnecessarily convolutedSep 27 19:03
r_schestowitz> problem?Sep 27 19:03
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 19:03
r_schestowitz> SteveTSep 27 19:03
r_schestowitzFYI.Sep 27 19:08
r_schestowitzHere an important warning:Sep 27 19:08
r_schestowitz"I think this is a pivot point. If Poettering succeeds in foisting thisSep 27 19:08
r_schestowitzon the Linux universe, we all might as well buy Apple Macs, becauseSep 27 19:08
r_schestowitzwe'll be increasingly isolated until hardware isn't even compatible toSep 27 19:08
r_schestowitzus. But if we can convince folks like IBM and Debian that systemd is aSep 27 19:08
r_schestowitzmessy piece of crap that will make costly problems forever, thingsSep 27 19:08
r_schestowitzmight turn our way."Sep 27 19:08
r_schestowitzFWD: "Don't let your computer be Lennart's hobby: Use Devuan!"Sep 27 19:09
scientes> included, stored as extensible JSON user records.Sep 27 19:14
scientesyaml pleaseSep 27 19:14
scientes<r_schestowitz> > Show of hands: Who ever perceived a problem with using /etc/passwd,Sep 27 19:15
scientesummm, this guy is wrong. Ulrich Drepper had to make the hash betterSep 27 19:15
scientesthe "it just worked" thing is a logical fallacy, known for a long long time (heh)Sep 27 19:15
scientesPoettering's plan seems solid to meSep 27 19:18
r_schestowitzhmmmSep 27 19:19
r_schestowitzworries me more over timeSep 27 19:19
r_schestowitzsystemd is hugeSep 27 19:19
r_schestowitzit had bugs and it's not necessarily better than what we had beforeSep 27 19:19
r_schestowitzred hat uses it to leave other distros behindSep 27 19:19
scientes^^^Sep 27 19:20
r_schestowitzalways catching up with very frequent releasesSep 27 19:20
scienteswell yeahSep 27 19:20
r_schestowitz> Yes, it's good to raise awareness of what looks to be going on withSep 27 19:28
r_schestowitz> systemd.  As I mentioned a longer while ago it looks like RH workingSep 27 19:28
r_schestowitz> towards docommidifying Linux as M$ had originally outlined in theSep 27 19:28
r_schestowitz> Halloween Documents.  People's naivite is hurting the long termSep 27 19:28
r_schestowitz> potential for software freedom and it is quite near to totalSep 27 19:28
r_schestowitz> elimination, if no further efforts are made by the public at large.Sep 27 19:29
r_schestowitz> A big confound in Steve's plan is that systemd did not get into DebianSep 27 19:30
r_schestowitz> nor has it stayed there on technical merit.  More is going on behind theSep 27 19:30
r_schestowitz> scenes than most care to admit and than those involved dare to admit.Sep 27 19:30
r_schestowitzA Microsoft employee (Shields) was pushing Mono into Debian.Sep 27 19:30
scientes<r_schestowitz> > A big confound in Steve's plan is that systemd did not get into DebianSep 27 19:30
scientes<r_schestowitz> > nor has it stayed there on technical merit. Sep 27 19:30
scientesthis just isn't trueSep 27 19:30
scientesI was involved in thisSep 27 19:31
r_schestowitzrepairing tuxmachines DB...Sep 27 19:31
r_schestowitz> A big confound in Steve's plan is that systemd did not get into DebianSep 27 19:35
r_schestowitz> nor has it stayed there on technical merit.  More is going on behind theSep 27 19:35
r_schestowitz> scenes than most care to admit and than those involved dare to admit.Sep 27 19:35
r_schestowitzBad cache was the culpritSep 27 19:35
r_schestowitzgallery2.g2_CacheMapSep 27 19:35
r_schestowitzError    : Table './gallery2/g2_CacheMap' is marked as crashed and should be repairedSep 27 19:35
r_schestowitzError    : Table 'g2_CacheMap' is marked as crashed and should be repairedSep 27 19:35
r_schestowitzerror    : CorruptSep 27 19:35
r_schestowitz[...]Sep 27 19:35
r_schestowitzgallery2.g2_UserGroupMap                           Table is already up to dateSep 27 19:35
r_schestowitzRepairing tablesSep 27 19:35
r_schestowitzservice httpd start                                                                              Sep 27 19:35
r_schestowitzgallery2.g2_CacheMap  Sep 27 19:35
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r_schestowitzRe: silencers are enablersSep 27 19:42
r_schestowitz> when dealing with an alcoholic, silence doesnt help, it enables.Sep 27 19:42
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 19:42
r_schestowitz> in one of his greatest speeches (on democracy) lessig made this point about the people who enabled the person that drove the exxon valdez tanker while severely under the influence. many people believe it was a factor in the spill.Sep 27 19:42
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 19:42
r_schestowitz> he was using this to illustrate a larger point, of course. and so will i.Sep 27 19:42
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 19:42
r_schestowitz> this sort of problem with devuan, remains because it is unaddressed. the solution is not a code of conduct, it is not smear campaigns, it is honesty. everyone who knows what is going on needs to be honest. that is the only thing that will save devuan.Sep 27 19:42
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 19:42
r_schestowitz> 5 years into devuan, i can say that i spent 10 years making a similar point about another piece of free software. today it is relatively obscure, never living up to the hype that protected it from people who noted it was a bait-and-switch, a false promise, and did not meet (or stay with) the goals that it promised, that were the goals that made people interested.Sep 27 19:42
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 19:42
r_schestowitz> instead it became more elitist, more "we know what we are doing and what do you people know?" and even smeared the community that tried to support it initially. (the one it bait-and-switched.)Sep 27 19:42
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 19:42
r_schestowitz> to make an entire decade short, some other project came and ate its lunch. by the time they were done, they were recommending python instead (which i had already abandoned it for years earlier.)Sep 27 19:42
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 19:42
r_schestowitz> all that drama, all that abuse, served no purpose. and all that people who shut up and minded their own business accomplished, was enabling those developers to abuse and ignore the very people who could have steered the project in a sane direction.Sep 27 19:42
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 19:42
r_schestowitz> ive already written a good article about this, the one i sent most recently, but based on this experience i can tell you-- that no amount of well-considered words or wisdom can save a project if everybody wants to be quiet and hope for the best.Sep 27 19:42
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 19:42
r_schestowitz> this is my TYPICAL experience with devuan. it is not worth my time. it is worth the words said, because more people speaking up are all that can save it in the long run.Sep 27 19:42
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 19:42
r_schestowitz> debian WAS the most reliable distro in the history of distros. its loss is phenomenal. their hubris regarding systemd is substantial.Sep 27 19:42
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 19:42
r_schestowitz> devuan is infected with the same hubris-- not among the developers, but among the community which acts as gatekeepers. they are keeping so much good out of devuan-- basically they are running the same kind of cult that debian was running when they adopted systemd in the first place.Sep 27 19:42
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 19:42
r_schestowitz> this wont end well. attached is a typical example, circa today.Sep 27 19:42
r_schestowitz> Sep 27 19:42
r_schestowitz> this is all i think of when i think of devuan. yes, i would like it to move past this and succeed. its too useful to die-- but so is debian, and that alone isnt enough.Sep 27 19:42
r_schestowitz> by the way, the reason the large "ignore" icon intended to say well "fuck you, then" as he would to any person that criticises devuan in any way at all, comes before my first reply is that it came while i was "editing" by deleting and reposting.Sep 27 19:43
r_schestowitz> my edits mostly just added to what i had already said, and werent likely to change the outcome, but the first reply i made i had posted most of before he declared that i was going to be ignored.Sep 27 19:43
r_schestowitz> the truth is, rod isnt an exception. hes representative of the community. they arent all like that, by any means, though they sit quietly by while the community leaders (not the project leaders) act like imperial stormtroopers.Sep 27 19:43
r_schestowitz> personally i wouldnt support it if i were rich. first i would make my donations dependent on clearing out these gatekeepers-- and i would do so publically.Sep 27 19:43
r_schestowitz> "yes, i cleared out the crybullies from the devuan community. and here is why."Sep 27 19:43
r_schestowitz> ffs, i started calling rod "roy" after a while.Sep 27 19:43
r_schestowitz> muscle memory. i called him rod initially.Sep 27 19:43
r_schestowitzRe: stop the presses, hes talking to me againSep 27 19:44
r_schestowitz> i didnt intend it as an article anyway. i have no desire to be the sole person calling devuan out on a real problem, having already fulfilled that role years ago.Sep 27 19:45
r_schestowitz> rod is now talking to me after posting a giant red ignore symbol.Sep 27 19:45
r_schestowitz> its not only that im being trolled, its that im going to be trolled as long as i am within spitting range of devuan itself. this is the tragedy of devuan, im making faster progress with the fsf these days. the fsf, mind you.Sep 27 19:45
r_schestowitzIf Devuan has an infighting problem, it may be typical, but it isn't good.Sep 27 19:45
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DaemonFC[m]Keeping up with Fedora's update churn on this hotel wifi is painful.Sep 27 20:07
DaemonFC[m]I might just start putting off everything that doesn't obviously have security implications for a while and then running updates overnight.Sep 27 20:07
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r_schestowitz[20:07] <DaemonFC[m]> Keeping up with Fedora's update churn on this hotel wifi is painful.Sep 27 20:56
r_schestowitzwhy hotel?Sep 27 20:56
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DaemonFC[m]why hotel?Sep 27 21:01
DaemonFC[m]Paid up with credit card money until the probation is over.Sep 27 21:01
DaemonFC[m]Huge fucking financial mess, but beats sitting in jailSep 27 21:01
scientesDaemonFC[m], dude, only Canada has access to your data, and there are no exit formalities in the USSep 27 21:07
scientesso there really is nothing keeping you from leavingSep 27 21:08
scientesand sitting in jail helps them go bankrupt faster, so its a public serviceSep 27 21:10
DaemonFC[m]Not really.Sep 27 21:11
DaemonFC[m]They fine you more if you go to jail so you pay to be there.Sep 27 21:11
scientesyou can't juice a turnipSep 27 21:11
scientesseriously, you should leaveSep 27 21:12
scienteswith the money you spend on a week of that hotel you could fly to central or south americaSep 27 21:14
scientesjust make sure you have a bus ticket out of the specific country of the airline won't let you boardSep 27 21:14
MrGreenFriend_scientes, i thought u usually need an exit-ticket: flight (not bus)Sep 27 21:29
scientesMrGreenFriend_, bus, boat, hot air baloon....Sep 27 21:30
scientestrebuchetSep 27 21:30
MrGreenFriend_haha, i guess it depends on the countrySep 27 21:30
scientesMrGreenFriend_, they actually rarely ask, it is the airline that asksSep 27 21:31
scienteshttps://www.pri.org/stories/2015-11-03/why-some-refugees-are-choosing-bike-across-russia-norway-borderSep 27 21:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pri.org | Why some refugees are choosing to bike across the Russia-Norway borderSep 27 21:31
MrGreenFriend_anyway, flight prices are way cheaper for round-trip, than 2  1-waysSep 27 21:31
scientesnot alwaysSep 27 21:31
scientesdependsSep 27 21:31
MrGreenFriend_scientes, what webiste do u use, besides kayak.comSep 27 21:32
scientessometimes the round-trip is cheaper than a single one-way with the same flightSep 27 21:32
psydroidis this only for destinations in South America?Sep 27 21:32
psydroidusually I just buy bus tickets at the airportSep 27 21:32
scientesentering Colombia I didn't have a ticketSep 27 21:34
scientesbut it was an expensive ticketSep 27 21:34
scientesand at immigration there wasn't a word spokenSep 27 21:35
scientesjust a stampSep 27 21:35
MrGreenFriend_ok, world travelers:  When do u think Venezuela will be safe to visit?Sep 27 21:39
*XRevan86 is now sad for he hasn't travelled.Sep 27 21:41
scientesI get my Russian visa the monday after next!Sep 27 21:43
XRevan86scientes: CongradolencesSep 27 21:44
scienteshehSep 27 21:44
XRevan86https://urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=congradolencesSep 27 21:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.urbandictionary.com | Urban Dictionary: congradolencesSep 27 21:46
XRevan86Why is it so hard to be original!?Sep 27 21:47
psydroidbecause the originals are fakeSep 27 21:47
XRevan86at least there's no trademarkSep 27 21:49
MrGreenFriend_XRevan86, haha, that is a good wordSep 27 21:52
XRevan86MrGreenFriend_: :3Sep 27 21:53
scientesnote to self: never shop online with ChromeSep 27 22:40
scientesthe memory management is just horribleSep 27 22:40
XRevan86I used Chrome before it was cool.Sep 27 22:41
XRevan86And now I use Firefox.Sep 27 22:41
psydroidI just can't run Chromium on anytging but my latest hardwareSep 27 22:41
psydroidon everything else it's slow as molassesSep 27 22:41
XRevan86It was a lot ligher in year 2008Sep 27 22:41
XRevan86lighterSep 27 22:42
psydroidanything*Sep 27 22:43
XRevan86I actually recommended it to people…Sep 27 22:43
XRevan86I am part of the problem!Sep 27 22:43
psydroidI am not!Sep 27 22:43
psydroidbut I can only fix the bug on new installationsSep 27 22:44
XRevan86* I was partSep 27 22:44
scientesI only did it because i don't want to log into google on firefoxSep 27 22:45
scientesand I don't really having more than one profileSep 27 22:45
scienteswhy did my package from china land in illinois?Sep 27 22:46
XRevan86scientes: Logging into Google from Chrome should be a mortal sin %)Sep 27 22:46
scienteswhat the fuck?Sep 27 22:46
scientesXRevan86, they even automatically log you into chrome, but ISep 27 22:46
scientesi'm using chromium on debianSep 27 22:46
XRevan86scientes: Now your Chrome itself is logged in.Sep 27 22:46
XRevan86scientes: That's the point.Sep 27 22:46
MrGreenFriend_What do u guys think of Brave browser?Sep 27 22:48
scientesjust use FirefoxSep 27 22:48
scientesdon't use those crazy modified browsers unless it is Tor browserSep 27 22:48
MrGreenFriend_scientes, why not " log into google on firefox"?Sep 27 22:49
scientesMrGreenFriend_, I don't think you know how the internet worksSep 27 22:49
scientesor rather the webSep 27 22:49
XRevan86MrGreenFriend_: I find it freaky.Sep 27 22:50
MrGreenFriend_huh? can u explain this please:  <scientes> I only did it because i don't want to log into google on firefoxSep 27 22:51
scientescookiesSep 27 22:51
XRevan86Replacing ads with ads…Sep 27 22:52
XRevan86if you're okay with ads, why don't you brainwash yourself with ads from the website itself?Sep 27 22:52
MrGreenFriend_huh?  i'm sure all of us here, use adblockersSep 27 22:55
XRevan86MrGreenFriend_: Brave doesn't just block adsSep 27 22:55
XRevan86it replaces ads with its own ads, with giving the user some blockchainy money for watching themSep 27 22:56
MrGreenFriend_XRevan86,  oh.  those Ads are optional.Sep 27 22:57
scientesyeah, but seriously, wtfSep 27 22:57
XRevan86MrGreenFriend_: Still, the idea is very questionable and puts a shade over the whole thing.Sep 27 22:58
scientesI don't download software from stupid peopleSep 27 22:58
scienteseek 10 kgSep 27 22:59
scientesi think i will have to skip the bookjsSep 27 22:59
scientespsydroid, is Wizz agressive about the sizer?Sep 27 23:01
scientescause those sizers are way too smallSep 27 23:01
psydroidscientes, they may very well be, I would make sure it's the right sizeSep 27 23:05
psydroidI bought one several years ago that happens to be just the right sizeSep 27 23:05
psydroidso I always take it with me when flyingSep 27 23:06
scientesalso two backpacks is a little two dificultSep 27 23:06
scientesi might need a rollerSep 27 23:06
psydroidyesSep 27 23:06
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psydroidthat's how I usually travelSep 27 23:43
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