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| schestowitz | worth converting? | Sep 27 01:32 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3jOJfrOknA | Sep 27 01:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Thompson and Ritchie Story - YouTube | Sep 27 01:32 | |
| schestowitz | Sep 27 01:32 | |
| schestowitz | unix and what came before it | Sep 27 01:32 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Converting hwat? | Sep 27 01:33 |
| schestowitz | https://www.invent.org/inductees/ken-thompson | Sep 27 01:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.invent.org | Inductee Ken Thompson and the History of C Programming Language | Sep 27 01:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.invent.org/inductees/dennis-ritchie | Sep 27 01:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.invent.org | Inductee Dennis Ritchie, Who Invented Unix, Transformed Technology | Sep 27 01:34 | |
| schestowitz | The video | Sep 27 01:34 |
| schestowitz | I cannot find a source file | Sep 27 01:34 |
| schestowitz | just youtube | Sep 27 01:34 |
| schestowitz | and it seems to be about patents | Sep 27 01:34 |
| schestowitz | which is ridiculous | Sep 27 01:34 |
| XRevan86 | "The Thompson and Ritchie Story"? I haven't heard a mention of patents in those three minutes. | Sep 27 01:38 |
| XRevan86 | Vague analogies and omitted details, just something about the origins of UNIX for the… non-techies. | Sep 27 01:39 |
| schestowitz | the links associated with the video's publisher | Sep 27 01:39 |
| schestowitz | invemt.org | Sep 27 01:39 |
| schestowitz | invent | Sep 27 01:39 |
| schestowitz | I am working on something at the moment | Sep 27 01:39 |
| schestowitz | though I don't wanna dwell on the whole systemd thing | Sep 27 01:39 |
| XRevan86 | Didn't expect to see Kernighan, has no C++ mentioned in his description :) | Sep 27 01:40 |
| schestowitz | lots of videos of him, even recent ones | Sep 27 01:40 |
| schestowitz | he used to look a lot like Steve Jobs | Sep 27 01:40 |
| schestowitz | when he was younger | Sep 27 01:40 |
| XRevan86 | I saw him in Computerphile, he seem to like interviews. | Sep 27 01:41 |
| schestowitz | he is extrovert | Sep 27 01:42 |
| schestowitz | RMS also loves interviews, but he keeps interrupting people he speaks with (or being questioned by) | Sep 27 01:42 |
| schestowitz | (it's a manners thing) | Sep 27 01:42 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I asked him a question at a con, and he interrupted me :) | Sep 27 01:43 |
| schestowitz | not a coc violatiom | Sep 27 01:43 |
| schestowitz | but in libreplanet they did try to make it that | Sep 27 01:44 |
| XRevan86 | Then I lost my trail of thought and that was when I let him finish and left the microphone. | Sep 27 01:44 |
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| XRevan86 | Kind of a missed opportunity but oh well. No one even published the video of that (they were going to), so that incident is effectively lost in the annals of history :) | Sep 27 01:46 |
| schestowitz | *train | Sep 27 01:47 |
| schestowitz | of though | Sep 27 01:48 |
| schestowitz | you got derailed | Sep 27 01:48 |
| schestowitz | he tries to guess the question | Sep 27 01:48 |
| schestowitz | or finish off the question the way which suits him | Sep 27 01:48 |
| schestowitz | watch his new RT interview | Sep 27 01:48 |
| schestowitz | he does the same thing | Sep 27 01:48 |
| schestowitz | answering over the question | Sep 27 01:49 |
| XRevan86 | a track of thought I mean, yes | Sep 27 01:49 |
| schestowitz | as soon as he has an objection to a part of the question | Sep 27 01:49 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train_of_thought | Sep 27 01:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Train of thought - Wikipedia | Sep 27 01:49 | |
| schestowitz | I have a stupid question | Sep 27 01:50 |
| schestowitz | can I nuke/zap window decorations in gnome3? | Sep 27 01:50 |
| schestowitz | They waste screen space | Sep 27 01:50 |
| schestowitz | no use for them | Sep 27 01:50 |
| XRevan86 | I get it, it's just that distractions make me forget easily and that strategy got me. | Sep 27 01:50 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: did you watch the RT interview? | Sep 27 01:51 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Not the latest one | Sep 27 01:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142537 | Sep 27 01:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Richard Stallman: You can get arrested without a reason | Tux Machines | Sep 27 01:51 | |
| schestowitz | no tracking | Sep 27 01:51 |
| schestowitz | it's direct link to their mp4 | Sep 27 01:51 |
| XRevan86 | I saw you linking to it, just didn't yet. | Sep 27 01:52 |
| schestowitz | you can see it in action | Sep 27 01:52 |
| schestowitz | she never finishes a question | Sep 27 01:52 |
| schestowitz | she prepares a set of topic | Sep 27 01:52 |
| schestowitz | and he cuts in | Sep 27 01:52 |
| schestowitz | because he knows better | Sep 27 01:52 |
| schestowitz | but it's bad manners imho | Sep 27 01:52 |
| schestowitz | at least let her finish, take a note on paper is there's a point you wish to address seconds later without forgetting | Sep 27 01:52 |
| schestowitz | actually, I didn't watch the last 5 minutes of it | Sep 27 01:53 |
| schestowitz | I am going to now | Sep 27 01:53 |
| XRevan86 | I think he's also afraid of losing track and missing a point to address. | Sep 27 01:53 |
| XRevan86 | Heh, used the same words you have :) | Sep 27 01:53 |
| schestowitz | now, you tell me | Sep 27 01:54 |
| schestowitz | why does he hold up something that looks like a phone? | Sep 27 01:54 |
| schestowitz | is that a headphones set? | Sep 27 01:54 |
| schestowitz | I mean, he can hear her and there's a camera there, real-time | Sep 27 01:54 |
| schestowitz | so I don't suppose he uses landline | Sep 27 01:54 |
| schestowitz | "What do you mean we, white woman?" | Sep 27 01:56 |
| schestowitz | He actually said that to her | Sep 27 01:56 |
| schestowitz | ouch. | Sep 27 01:56 |
| schestowitz | not a good sentence | Sep 27 01:56 |
| schestowitz | around 16:10 | Sep 27 01:56 |
| XRevan86 | Now I have to watch it :). Right of the bat: I used to think she has a practically native accent, now I can pick a bit of Russianness in there | Sep 27 01:57 |
| schestowitz | accents don't matter | Sep 27 02:00 |
| schestowitz | it's a distraction from what matters | Sep 27 02:01 |
| XRevan86 | Would a usonian consider Armenians white… I really don't know. Maybe RMS was thrown off by her tan, but one way or another, that's not a good sentence. | Sep 27 02:01 |
| schestowitz | esp. when it means one is a polyglot | Sep 27 02:01 |
| XRevan86 | I mean Georgian of course, -dze | Sep 27 02:01 |
| schestowitz | non-English sounding English means one can speak multiple languages | Sep 27 02:01 |
| schestowitz | it says she is in Georgia | Sep 27 02:02 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: It was just a passive observation, not criticism. | Sep 27 02:03 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Criticism: she's a lover of the "people's bank" VTB director and a very wealthy person with a private (technically bank's) jet | Sep 27 02:04 |
| schestowitz | Sophie? | Sep 27 02:07 |
| XRevan86 | Wait, I confused her with Nailya Asker-Zade | Sep 27 02:09 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Maybe some kind of headphone, seems to be too small to be a mobile phone. | Sep 27 02:18 |
| schestowitz | seems like a senior's thing | Sep 27 02:19 |
| schestowitz | maybe to avoid audio feedback | Sep 27 02:19 |
| XRevan86 | or to be a landline phone | Sep 27 02:19 |
| schestowitz | the big proprietary player do feedback cancellation | Sep 27 02:19 |
| schestowitz | they have decent algos for it | Sep 27 02:19 |
| schestowitz | maybe not the free SW he uses | Sep 27 02:19 |
| schestowitz | so basically he hears her by speaker/headphone | Sep 27 02:20 |
| schestowitz | and more likely headphone | Sep 27 02:20 |
| schestowitz | so her voice isn't fed back into the mic | Sep 27 02:20 |
| schestowitz | maybe they tested prior to the recording | Sep 27 02:21 |
| schestowitz | and decided this compromise would work best | Sep 27 02:21 |
| schestowitz | his sound quality still isn't great | Sep 27 02:21 |
| schestowitz | there's background noise the sound engineers did not fully eliminate | Sep 27 02:21 |
| XRevan86 | Why does he need to hold it though… | Sep 27 02:22 |
| schestowitz | you tell me.... | Sep 27 02:24 |
| schestowitz | maybe he wants to look like a "reporter at the scene" | Sep 27 02:24 |
| schestowitz | (whom I saw doing that, never truly understood why) | Sep 27 02:24 |
| schestowitz | unless there was very strong gust | Sep 27 02:24 |
| XRevan86 | Fourth minute – what is that, I think the wires go there | Sep 27 02:29 |
| XRevan86 | 04:29 to be more exact | Sep 27 02:30 |
| XRevan86 | or maybe it's just a cap of the same colour | Sep 27 02:30 |
| XRevan86 | okay, seems to be a mask… that someone punched with a pen | Sep 27 02:32 |
| XRevan86 | Pity he didn't mention Jitsi Meet or BBB :/ at least not at the point I'm at right now | Sep 27 02:34 |
| XRevan86 | It's not like Zoom is the saviour who saved the world from a lack of a group video chat. | Sep 27 02:38 |
| XRevan86 | like Sofiko painted it | Sep 27 02:38 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Sep 27 02:43 |
| schestowitz | it was a dumb statement | Sep 27 02:43 |
| schestowitz | group chats go decades back | Sep 27 02:43 |
| schestowitz | bandwidth improved | Sep 27 02:43 |
| schestowitz | iirc, zoom uses aws | Sep 27 02:43 |
| schestowitz | and aws has lots of dcs around the world | Sep 27 02:43 |
| schestowitz | with high-speed links between them | Sep 27 02:43 |
| schestowitz | which would make it hard to compete with | Sep 27 02:43 |
| schestowitz | esp. freesw that's locally hosted at the endpoints | Sep 27 02:43 |
| schestowitz | as soon as you get many participants you hit hard limits | Sep 27 02:44 |
| schestowitz | and then you may need centralisation that renders a combined stream | Sep 27 02:44 |
| schestowitz | 2 days ago: https://etbe.coker.com.au/2020/09/26/bandwidth-video-conferencing/ | Sep 27 02:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-etbe.coker.com.au | Bandwidth for Video Conferencing « etbe - Russell Coker | Sep 27 02:44 | |
| schestowitz | well, one day ago, sorry... | Sep 27 02:44 |
| schestowitz | so that's very recent | Sep 27 02:44 |
| schestowitz | oh shit. someone is scraping techrights again | Sep 27 02:47 |
| schestowitz | maxing up 8 cpus | Sep 27 02:47 |
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| schestowitz | wish I could just focus on reading and writing | Sep 27 02:48 |
| schestowitz | no monitoring and sysadmin stuff | Sep 27 02:48 |
| schestowitz | it's distracting | Sep 27 02:48 |
| schestowitz | >> Side note: over the past 10+ years RMS always agreed to do an | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > interview with me. | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | >> Now? | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | >> 5 days of silence. Still no reply... | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > He takes a lot longer to reply now. I don't know if that's related, but | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > it did increase after he was ousted. | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > He's also said "no" to a lot more things since then. If it were me, I | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > wouldn't take it personally, but it is worth noting. | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > Now let's ignore ourselves for a moment, and look at the sorts of things | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > he used to say and do and the things he says and does now. | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > One, he's still advocating freedom. That's excellent news. There's no | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > news better than that. He hasn't quit free software activism. | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > However, I know of little evidence that he still pushes the FSF or | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > criticises any shortcomings. If that's strategic, he's either too | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > careful or (more likely IMO) they're still under a regime. This does not | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > implicate (nor rule out) the new leader, because when rms was there | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > others still managed to cause trouble. Don't assume the new leader can | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > do better. That doesn't mean I trust him. | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > The point being, if you're focused on reform at the FSF, you're not | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > going to get anything. | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > From the logs I know that's not your intent or approach here, it's | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > possibly a factor in how careful he is or how long he takes. Also | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > hypothetically, knowing that he's on his own and anything he gets done | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > is less likely to be done through the FSF, unless it pertains to GNU, he | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > could just be focused more entirely on that sort of activism. | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > These are obviously guesses. But he's less accessible than he used to be. | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 02:52 |
| schestowitz | > Also, never rule out (though I do not suspect) email tampering. In his | Sep 27 02:53 |
| schestowitz | > shoes I would never trust FSF email again. But that's what he uses. | Sep 27 02:53 |
| schestowitz | > Pointless to mention, we know autoreply still works and that's going to | Sep 27 02:53 |
| schestowitz | > be good enough for most people. | Sep 27 02:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 02:53 |
| schestowitz | > I'm most interested in what he's doing despite the FSF, because I'm | Sep 27 02:53 |
| schestowitz | > pretty sure nobody is going to get anything serious done WITH them. I | Sep 27 02:53 |
| schestowitz | > really don't believe in them at all. | Sep 27 02:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 02:53 |
| schestowitz | > The GNU Foundation matters obviously. NOT LF, not FSF. IMO. | Sep 27 02:53 |
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| schestowitz | need assistence | Sep 27 08:17 |
| schestowitz | tance | Sep 27 08:17 |
| schestowitz | what OS does the PC in the background run? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T_w4bPPbC4 | Sep 27 08:17 |
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| schestowitz | hard to identify icons | Sep 27 08:17 |
| schestowitz | mostly the wallpaper | Sep 27 08:17 |
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| MinceR | 27 091727 < schestowitz> what OS does the PC in the background run? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T_w4bPPbC4 | Sep 27 11:57 |
| MinceR | i can only see the wallpaper, which looks a lot like Bliss from Backdoors XP | Sep 27 11:57 |
| MinceR | https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3yITepdEonU/UI66S2KjXmI/AAAAAAAABfg/GH5KMzPB4vA/s1600/Bliss.jpg | Sep 27 11:57 |
| MinceR | https://dilbert.com/strip/2019-03-11 | Sep 27 12:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Marketing Lies - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2019-03-11 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Sep 27 12:13 | |
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| kingoffrance | surely thats redundant and "marketing" would suffice :) | Sep 27 13:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://www.linux-apps.com/p/1032222/ Except seeing a little bit of Bliss wall paper does not help us thinking how many "Bliss" wallpaper parody have been done. | Sep 27 13:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Windows sucks ("Bliss" wallpaper parody) - linux-apps.com | Sep 27 13:26 | |
| schestowitz | Re: ClearlyDivisive | Sep 27 13:26 |
| schestowitz | > Since these people have staked out, I mean "curated" the 1000 most | Sep 27 13:26 |
| schestowitz | > popular Github projects, is that a public list? OSI President: Most or | Sep 27 13:26 |
| schestowitz | > Half of the OSI’s Money (Even Individual Donors’ Money) Goes to a | Sep 27 13:26 |
| schestowitz | > Microsoft-Led Initiative | Techrights | Sep 27 13:26 |
| oiaohm | To attempt to ID OS you need to be able to seen icons or windows boarder. | Sep 27 13:26 |
| schestowitz | > <http://techrights.org/2020/09/27/osi-mostly-clearlydefined/> | Sep 27 13:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 13:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | OSI President: Most or Half of the OSI’s Money (Even Individual Donors’ Money) Goes to a Microsoft-Led Initiative | Techrights | Sep 27 13:26 | |
| schestowitz | > Stuff to boycott. As much as possible. | Sep 27 13:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 27 13:26 |
| schestowitz | > We could also wait for the Free Github Foundation, though I doubt they | Sep 27 13:26 |
| schestowitz | > will be helpful, I mean do fuck-all. | Sep 27 13:26 |
| schestowitz | OSI is digging its own grave just fine. | Sep 27 13:26 |
| schestowitz | No amount of smiles from its new Pres can save them. | Sep 27 13:26 |
| schestowitz | [11:57] <MinceR> i can only see the wallpaper, which looks a lot like Bliss from Backdoors XP | Sep 27 13:27 |
| schestowitz | Backdoors XP source code is technically leaked | Sep 27 13:27 |
| schestowitz | So I guess it's "Open Source" now | Sep 27 13:27 |
| schestowitz | as per OSI | Sep 27 13:27 |
| schestowitz | someone should explain to him how those things work.. | Sep 27 13:27 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 27 13:27 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: yeah, i know | Sep 27 13:28 |
| schestowitz | he's OSI Pres | Sep 27 13:28 |
| schestowitz | the choice os wallpaper to match Windows' most famous one isn't saying anything good | Sep 27 13:30 |
| schestowitz | the colour of the PC likely means it's not an iStain | Sep 27 13:31 |
| schestowitz | they're typically white and POWER | Sep 27 13:31 |
| oiaohm | Windows every version has a different default wallpaper. | Sep 27 13:31 |
| schestowitz | then x86 | Sep 27 13:31 |
| schestowitz | soon arM | Sep 27 13:31 |
| schestowitz | ARM | Sep 27 13:31 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: can you see the icons clear enough in the border in that video? | Sep 27 13:31 |
| schestowitz | I full-screened it | Sep 27 13:32 |
| schestowitz | still could not get a clear enough look | Sep 27 13:32 |
| schestowitz | if he uses Windows, it's a big deal | Sep 27 13:32 |
| schestowitz | if you look at his track record, you'd doubt he uses bsd or gnu/linux | Sep 27 13:32 |
| oiaohm | Hmm the panel is up on the top of screen. | Sep 27 13:35 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: there is not enough pixels for me there the panel black colour with icons on it with a nice bit of glare where activities or windows start button... would be. | Sep 27 13:37 |
| schestowitz | https://www.fosslife.org/osis-joshua-simmons-state-open-source | Sep 27 13:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslife.org | OSI’s Joshua Simmons on the State of Open Source | Sep 27 13:46 | |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 27 13:46 |
| schestowitz | “There are a lot of competing and complementary narratives about open source,” he noted, and your narrative will, unsurprisingly, depend on your relationship to open source. | Sep 27 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Simmons presented three example narratives to illustrate: | Sep 27 13:46 |
| schestowitz | A free software-centric narrative, in which “software freedom is a moral movement and open source is about business.” | Sep 27 13:46 |
| schestowitz | An author-centric narrative, in which “maintainers are exploited and deserve more support, and maybe we should consider new licenses to ensure they get paid.” | Sep 27 13:46 |
| schestowitz | A user-centric narrative, in which “few people have had the promise of user freedom realized for them.” | Sep 27 13:46 |
| schestowitz | "narratives" = revisionism | Sep 27 13:46 |
| schestowitz | as if there are "many" truths | Sep 27 13:46 |
| scientes | schestowitz, there are many things authors of libre software need | Sep 27 13:47 |
| scientes | and $$$ is only the right tool if it can buy those things for a reasonable price | Sep 27 13:47 |
| scientes | so that "narritive" is also bullshit | Sep 27 13:47 |
| scientes | the ESR "scratch an itch" is the only reasonable way to empathize with authors | Sep 27 13:48 |
| scientes | otherwise it sounds alot like the copyright mafiaa | Sep 27 13:48 |
| scientes | anyways, RMS's "cognative dissonance" statement was the most coherant one i've heard in a long time | Sep 27 13:50 |
| scientes | people simply don't have the moral strength to keep up with their lies | Sep 27 13:50 |
| scientes | and so the lies eventually catch up with them | Sep 27 13:50 |
| scientes | even if only in their minds | Sep 27 13:50 |
| *XRevan86 slept, still feels like he didn't. Again. | Sep 27 13:52 | |
| scientes | XRevan86, did you check the news today? | Sep 27 13:53 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: No, catching up on the RMS interview, I only watched a part of it. | Sep 27 13:53 |
| smnthermes | > [04:01:13] viera: [notice] Tux Machines: Puppy Linux 9.5 is here based on Focal Fossa http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142589 | Sep 27 13:53 |
| smnthermes | I thought it was an independent distro | Sep 27 13:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Puppy Linux 9.5 is here based on Focal Fossa | Tux Machines | Sep 27 13:53 | |
| scientes | XRevan86, I checked like an hour ago and now I am kinda dazed | Sep 27 13:55 |
| scientes | link to RMS interview? | Sep 27 13:56 |
| scientes | I probably can skip it | Sep 27 13:56 |
| scientes | as I am pretty familiar | Sep 27 13:56 |
| scientes | or rather, I like to think/hope I have internalized all the same values | Sep 27 13:56 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: http://tuxmachines.org/node/142537 | Sep 27 13:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Richard Stallman: You can get arrested without a reason | Tux Machines | Sep 27 13:57 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: schestowitz asked me about my thoughts at night (well, morning, but before sleep), I wasn't helpful. | Sep 27 13:57 |
| scientes | Shevardnadze | Sep 27 13:58 |
| schestowitz | [13:53] <smnthermes> I thought it was an independent distro | Sep 27 13:58 |
| schestowitz | not for ages | Sep 27 13:58 |
| schestowitz | they also base on Debian | Sep 27 13:58 |
| schestowitz | Barry's distros | Sep 27 13:58 |
| scientes | what ethnicity is that name? | Sep 27 13:58 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Georgian | Sep 27 13:58 |
| scientes | yeah, i thought so | Sep 27 13:58 |
| scientes | azerbaijan customs has been confiscating packages with armenian surnames | Sep 27 13:59 |
| scientes | even headed to georgia | Sep 27 13:59 |
| XRevan86 | -dze and -shvili are common Georgian surnames | Sep 27 13:59 |
| scientes | XRevan86, dude I live here | Sep 27 13:59 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I know, just acknowledging :) | Sep 27 13:59 |
| XRevan86 | Armenian: -ñan | Sep 27 14:00 |
| MinceR | nyan | Sep 27 14:00 |
| XRevan86 | nekoñan | Sep 27 14:00 |
| MinceR | :3 | Sep 27 14:00 |
| scientes | https://oc-media.org/georgian-logistics-company-dont-use-armenian-surnames/ | Sep 27 14:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-oc-media.org | Georgian logistics company: ‘Don’t use Armenian surnames’ | Sep 27 14:01 | |
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| scientes | oh, she is actually interviewing from tblisi | Sep 27 14:03 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I was surprised by that, but I confused her with another journalist. | Sep 27 14:03 |
| scientes | I was only suprised because it is RT | Sep 27 14:03 |
| scientes | and it is not an in-person interview | Sep 27 14:04 |
| XRevan86 | Now that I watched it right, I'm even more puzzled by RMS saying to her "what do you mean "we", white woman" | Sep 27 14:05 |
| scientes | hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe | Sep 27 14:05 |
| XRevan86 | isn't he more "white" than she is? | Sep 27 14:06 |
| scientes | also, the US ethnic terms make absolutely no sense to people here, even if they speak english | Sep 27 14:06 |
| scientes | XRevan86, actually "caucasian" is a US ethnic term | Sep 27 14:06 |
| scientes | and she is undeniably caucasian | Sep 27 14:06 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: "caucasian" can be easily mapped to "europid", so that's not that big of a deal | Sep 27 14:06 |
| scientes | not really | Sep 27 14:06 |
| scientes | the caucus mountains are right here | Sep 27 14:06 |
| XRevan86 | I mean, the way Usonians use it. | Sep 27 14:07 |
| scientes | and nowhere else | Sep 27 14:07 |
| scientes | its like that stupid term "anti-semitic" | Sep 27 14:07 |
| XRevan86 | But yes, "caucasian" is a funny one when one actually interacts with the Caucasus area | Sep 27 14:07 |
| XRevan86 | Like one could say "Russians are cautious of Caucasian illegal immigrats" | Sep 27 14:08 |
| scientes | while that *was* the term the Nazis used on the Hollerich punch cards, it has its origins in really poor racism | Sep 27 14:08 |
| scientes | XRevan86, as I said, those ethnic terms make no sense here, I ended up saying I was swedish | Sep 27 14:08 |
| scientes | because its something that is true, and understandable as an ethnic term | Sep 27 14:09 |
| XRevan86 | Anyway, this is also one example where "white" gets so vague I can't even tell who's "white" of the two :) | Sep 27 14:10 |
| scientes | the history in the US is basically like #1. prostestant, #2 catholic, #3 the "other" catholics (hispanics) | Sep 27 14:10 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe both, maybe neither. | Sep 27 14:10 |
| scientes | and then everyone else | Sep 27 14:10 |
| scientes | but the prostestant/catholic divide broke down a long time ago | Sep 27 14:11 |
| kingoffrance | longer than you think | Sep 27 14:11 |
| scientes | also I feel the US cares alot more about prostestant/catholic than Europe does | Sep 27 14:12 |
| scientes | and the actual catholic church has no reservation about giving both english and spanish services | Sep 27 14:13 |
| MinceR | i thought they were supposed to do it in latin | Sep 27 14:13 |
| scientes | MinceR, there still are catholic split offs that reject the changes that led to abandonment of latin | Sep 27 14:14 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 27 14:14 |
| scientes | as those changes were significant | Sep 27 14:14 |
| XRevan86 | In Russian churches prayers are in Church Slav(on)ic, talking non-sense is in Russian. | Sep 27 14:14 |
| scientes | yeah, Second Vatican Council | Sep 27 14:14 |
| kingoffrance | changes go back to 1548 at least | Sep 27 14:14 |
| kingoffrance | taht was just culmination of couple hundred years | Sep 27 14:15 |
| XRevan86 | I assumed scientes talked about the second bit, i.e. preaching to the flock | Sep 27 14:15 |
| scientes | from my interaction with them I get the feeling it is kinda like the Old believers split | Sep 27 14:15 |
| scientes | the latin language part is the least controversial of those changes | Sep 27 14:15 |
| schestowitz | [14:06] <scientes> and she is undeniably caucasian | Sep 27 14:16 |
| schestowitz | More then most USians | Sep 27 14:16 |
| schestowitz | "caucasian" often refers to this region | Sep 27 14:16 |
| scientes | exactly | Sep 27 14:16 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The Old Believers split is weird in that the reform was to reduce deviation from the tradition. | Sep 27 14:16 |
| schestowitz | *than | Sep 27 14:16 |
| scientes | they still had all that regalia that this banned in Arequipa when I was there | Sep 27 14:17 |
| schestowitz | Would be funny if RMS told her, "you're not even caucasian" | Sep 27 14:17 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20011332 | Sep 27 14:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4280770) | Sep 27 14:17 | |
| schestowitz | or, you are literally caucasian | Sep 27 14:17 |
| XRevan86 | So not relaxation of the liturgy but the opposite | Sep 27 14:18 |
| scientes | schestowitz, yeah, it is like Israel accusing its Arab neighbors of anti-semitism | Sep 27 14:19 |
| scientes | which is an incredible amount of cognative dissonance, and also Halocaust victim-badge-wearing | Sep 27 14:20 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: https://media.comicbook.com/2018/10/c-658vsxoao3ovc-1139955.jpeg | Sep 27 14:20 |
| MinceR | semites hating semites. how perverse! | Sep 27 14:21 |
| scientes | according the the Kartuli Tsikrova (history of Georgia) Georgians are Japethites | Sep 27 14:22 |
| scientes | the other son of Noah | Sep 27 14:22 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Pretty normal, but using terms like "anti-semite" in those circumstances is odd. | Sep 27 14:23 |
| scientes | and when you try to get them to use "Judeophobia" they cling to their halocaust-victim-badge | Sep 27 14:24 |
| XRevan86 | It's like if someone from Ryazañ were to say "I just hate Moscow", and then get back a label "Russophobe". | Sep 27 14:24 |
| scientes | XRevan86, or if they said "I just hate Kiev" | Sep 27 14:25 |
| scientes | XRevan86, wait, that is a totally differn't issue | Sep 27 14:25 |
| scientes | where the State of Israel claims it speaks for all Jews | Sep 27 14:25 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Yes, different. | Sep 27 14:25 |
| MinceR | different Rus :> | Sep 27 14:25 |
| scientes | massive problem in New York City | Sep 27 14:25 |
| scientes | and I have met Jews from Israel who had served in the IDF, and they say how weird it was to meet Jews from outside Israel | Sep 27 14:26 |
| scientes | which shows that religion really is the dominant identity of the State of Israel | Sep 27 14:27 |
| scientes | despite me seeing quite a bit of Christian propoganda from them | Sep 27 14:27 |
| scientes | interesting video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN_VQoa1tb8 | Sep 27 14:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Forgotten JEWS of ETHIOPIA - YouTube | Sep 27 14:27 | |
| scientes | the black jews have a *really* hard time being accepted into the State of Israel's sense of ethnicity | Sep 27 14:28 |
| scientes | (also that travel writer is Jewish) | Sep 27 14:28 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Can't get closer than that while being different countries. And very bad relations. | Sep 27 14:30 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 27 14:30 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yeah I should know better here as there is Ukranian presence, but I still can't tell | Sep 27 14:31 |
| scientes | the difference between the government's animosity and the people, that is | Sep 27 14:31 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: If they choose not to speak Ukrainian, then you won't be able to tell. | Sep 27 14:32 |
| scientes | I couldn't tell anyways :) | Sep 27 14:32 |
| scientes | this isn't Russia, they don't hide who they are | Sep 27 14:33 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Ukrainian has some interesting phonetics, so with enough exposure you can tell just by how it sounds like | Sep 27 14:33 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I didn't mean it like hiding, no one's hiding in Russia too. | Sep 27 14:33 |
| scientes | well I imagine there are Russian nationalists | Sep 27 14:34 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: They're more focused on… you know. | Sep 27 14:35 |
| scientes | they can get worked up about Georgia | Sep 27 14:35 |
| scientes | because of the history | Sep 27 14:35 |
| XRevan86 | Azerbaijani, Dagestani… | Sep 27 14:35 |
| scientes | so did you read the news of today? | Sep 27 14:36 |
| scientes | https://agenda.ge/en/news/2020/2991 | Sep 27 14:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-agenda.ge | Georgia concerned with resumption of hostilities between Armenia, Azerbaijan | Sep 27 14:36 | |
| XRevan86 | Saw news about some moron smacking a woman on the head while she was speaking Tatar. | Sep 27 14:36 |
| scientes | isn't that a russian ethnic minority? | Sep 27 14:37 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: ugh, that | Sep 27 14:37 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It is. | Sep 27 14:37 |
| scientes | can you link me to the state media coverage of it? | Sep 27 14:37 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imQe-OlMKLM | Sep 27 14:38 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: https://lenta.ru/news/2020/09/24/freedom_of_speech/ | Sep 27 14:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Who are the Tatars? Europe's Oldest Remaining Islamic Community - YouTube | Sep 27 14:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Россиянка получила кулаком по голове за разговор на родном языке: Общество: Россия: Lenta.ru | Sep 27 14:38 | |
| scientes | "Europe's Oldest Islamic Community" | Sep 27 14:38 |
| scientes | ewww | Sep 27 14:38 |
| scientes | what about the Caucuses | Sep 27 14:38 |
| *XRevan86 doesn't know what's oldest and what's not. | Sep 27 14:39 | |
| MinceR | they're followed by primaries? | Sep 27 14:39 |
| scientes | I wonder how that area became muslim, given that the caliphs never got past the caucus mountains | Sep 27 14:39 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Through the Golden Horde apparently. | Sep 27 14:40 |
| scientes | lots of horde coins in the Tblisi museum | Sep 27 14:41 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: https://youtu.be/rHbcxH3-XPg | Sep 27 14:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Взятки. Дворцы. Самолёты. За что продали народ Татарстана - YouTube | Sep 27 14:43 | |
| XRevan86 | A video Navalny made on tour right before he was poisoned. | Sep 27 14:43 |
| XRevan86 | with English subtitles | Sep 27 14:43 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmIa2SGpm6s | Sep 27 14:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-World's Strangest City (ASHGABAT, TURKMENISTAN) - YouTube | Sep 27 14:43 | |
| scientes | this video is truely bizaare | Sep 27 14:43 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nSoQt9LAGg | Sep 27 14:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-10 Wacky Things About TURKMENISTAN - YouTube | Sep 27 14:43 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Switched to Turkmens? | Sep 27 14:43 |
| scientes | nah I was remembered it | Sep 27 14:44 |
| scientes | I have met people from Kazan | Sep 27 14:44 |
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| scientes | well, yeah, I get the impression you can't say things like that in Russia | Sep 27 14:45 |
| XRevan86 | lots of authoritarian regimes on the post-Soviet territory, but Turkmenistan is the strangest one, yes | Sep 27 14:45 |
| scientes | all that imported white marble | Sep 27 14:45 |
| scientes | and that huge mosque that isn't even used | Sep 27 14:45 |
| scientes | truely bizaare | Sep 27 14:45 |
| XRevan86 | A rich version of North Korea | Sep 27 14:46 |
| scientes | what happened there in the 90s? | Sep 27 14:46 |
| scientes | cause North Korea starved | Sep 27 14:46 |
| scientes | Cuba did not starve | Sep 27 14:47 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: That video from Navalny actually covers history | Sep 27 14:47 |
| XRevan86 | from the corruption standpoint of course | Sep 27 14:48 |
| XRevan86 | Oops, Tatarstan | Sep 27 14:48 |
| XRevan86 | probably a similiar story though :) | Sep 27 14:48 |
| scientes | I just read an article that mentioned in passing that the lord of Georgia in the 90 were never punished | Sep 27 14:49 |
| scientes | *lords | Sep 27 14:49 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I don't know, it doesn't seem like there were much turbulence in the 90s, like there was in most post-Soviet republics. | Sep 27 14:50 |
| scientes | this one https://oc-media.org/features/as-abkhazia-calls-for-dialogue-will-tbilisi-answer/ | Sep 27 14:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-oc-media.org | As Abkhazia calls for dialogue, will Tbilisi answer? | Sep 27 14:50 | |
| XRevan86 | s/were/was/ | Sep 27 14:50 |
| scientes | this article does actually cover some stuff however https://oc-media.org/features/i-felt-i-was-in-prison-georgian-women-in-italys-shadow-economy/ | Sep 27 14:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-oc-media.org | ‘I felt I was in prison’: Georgian women in Italy’s shadow economy | Sep 27 14:50 | |
| XRevan86 | but a success story of another term-less president | Sep 27 14:50 |
| scientes | what was troubling about that Abkhazia article is the lack of interest of the Georgian politicians | Sep 27 14:51 |
| schestowitz | [14:19] <scientes> schestowitz, yeah, it is like Israel accusing its Arab neighbors of anti-semitism | Sep 27 14:51 |
| schestowitz | The term "semite" was hijacked | Sep 27 14:51 |
| schestowitz | otherwise it would apply to Palestinians too | Sep 27 14:51 |
| scientes | schestowitz, it goes back to the Germany | Sep 27 14:52 |
| schestowitz | rendering many in Israel itself "anti-Semites" (and not Arab-Israelis) | Sep 27 14:52 |
| scientes | Nazi Germany | Sep 27 14:52 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: "World's Strangest City" 2:30 – that statue looks kinda like Lenin :D | Sep 27 14:52 |
| scientes | but that is no excuse | Sep 27 14:52 |
| scientes | It's almost as if the Georgian politicians don't consider Abkhazia part of Georgia | Sep 27 14:53 |
| scientes | considering that they are no longer demanding soverignity | Sep 27 14:53 |
| scientes | or rather, didn't ask for it in this proposal | Sep 27 14:53 |
| schestowitz | [14:52] <scientes> Nazi Germany | Sep 27 14:53 |
| scientes | Weimar republic | Sep 27 14:54 |
| schestowitz | AdD is also anti-Semitic for its stance on Arabs | Sep 27 14:54 |
| schestowitz | *AfD | Sep 27 14:54 |
| scientes | "Semite" was a term on the Hollerich punch cards | Sep 27 14:54 |
| scientes | of the holocaust | Sep 27 14:54 |
| MinceR | what if someone only hates one particular semite person? does that make them anti-semite? :> | Sep 27 14:54 |
| schestowitz | they just swapped a little what Semitic people they focus on as a scapegoat Fur Deutschland | Sep 27 14:54 |
| kingoffrance | thats one of those "defined as a non-sequitor" things MinceR :) | Sep 27 14:55 |
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| MinceR | :) | Sep 27 14:55 |
| schestowitz | suspect, "strike one" | Sep 27 14:55 |
| scientes | schestowitz, their main platform is the rapid ethnic destruction of germany by a horde of barbarians created by a war that german politicians backed | Sep 27 14:55 |
| schestowitz | "you may only dislike one more Semitic person because we expel you" | Sep 27 14:56 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6rdEjCTNnQ | Sep 27 14:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Life in ALEPPO, SYRIA (post war reconstruction) - YouTube | Sep 27 14:56 | |
| schestowitz | so don't make statements like, "Bloomberg, Goldman Sachs and Elliot are evil" | Sep 27 14:56 |
| schestowitz | you need to add "diversity" | Sep 27 14:56 |
| schestowitz | throw some Gates and Bezos into the list | Sep 27 14:57 |
| schestowitz | then you are "safe" from ADL and WebKKKops | Sep 27 14:57 |
| schestowitz | scientes: sounds like the Orban narrative | Sep 27 14:58 |
| schestowitz | they still account for maybe 5% there | Sep 27 14:58 |
| schestowitz | very small | Sep 27 14:58 |
| scientes | but its true | Sep 27 14:58 |
| schestowitz | and with COVID the movement restrictions have tightened | Sep 27 14:58 |
| schestowitz | conversion is the bigger issue | Sep 27 14:58 |
| scientes | these barbarians are created by the war of the politicians of germany trying to overthrow the syrian governmenty | Sep 27 14:58 |
| schestowitz | see Indonesia | Sep 27 14:59 |
| scientes | and they have a completely different culture | Sep 27 14:59 |
| schestowitz | where? Berlin maybe. | Sep 27 14:59 |
| schestowitz | big cities | Sep 27 14:59 |
| schestowitz | they tend to overgenerarile | Sep 27 14:59 |
| scientes | Arabic->German is #1 in Duolingo in Germany | Sep 27 14:59 |
| schestowitz | moaning about barbarians while they go out for their cheap 'falafel' at the street corner | Sep 27 14:59 |
| schestowitz | so they only dislike it when that suits them | Sep 27 15:00 |
| scientes | and those barbarians are being provided shelter and protection | Sep 27 15:00 |
| schestowitz | same thing here | Sep 27 15:00 |
| MinceR | https://dilbert.com/strip/2019-03-27 | Sep 27 15:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Detailed Explanation - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2019-03-27 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Sep 27 15:00 | |
| schestowitz | many unruly people are the domestic 'underclass' | Sep 27 15:00 |
| scientes | while the same german government is killing them in Syria | Sep 27 15:00 |
| schestowitz | because they have no sense of shame at all | Sep 27 15:00 |
| schestowitz | and they don't risk deportation (where to anyway?) | Sep 27 15:00 |
| scientes | I think they are creating an army to do their bidding | Sep 27 15:00 |
| schestowitz | nah | Sep 27 15:00 |
| schestowitz | they alienate more than they befriend | Sep 27 15:01 |
| schestowitz | csu isn't making allies this way | Sep 27 15:01 |
| schestowitz | it lost touch with the voter | Sep 27 15:01 |
| schestowitz | asylum seekers cannot even vote | Sep 27 15:01 |
| schestowitz | so csu and friends engineer their own demise as a party/coalition | Sep 27 15:01 |
| scientes | interesting, you can see the west/east germany divide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany#/media/File:Btw13_afd_zweit_endgueltig.svg | Sep 27 15:02 |
| schestowitz | in many smaller cities they already lost big | Sep 27 15:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Alternative for Germany - Wikipedia | Sep 27 15:02 | |
| scientes | except is that frankfurt? | Sep 27 15:02 |
| scientes | stuttgart | Sep 27 15:02 |
| schestowitz | the theory they want voting foddr is weak | Sep 27 15:03 |
| schestowitz | because they alienate more than eligible voters they can 'import' or parachute in | Sep 27 15:03 |
| schestowitz | Labour UK had this issue as well, at least perceptually | Sep 27 15:03 |
| schestowitz | as the "tough on immigration" rhetoric gave Trump many voters as well | Sep 27 15:03 |
| schestowitz | so a radical right politician took over Bibleland | Sep 27 15:04 |
| scientes | considering no-one votes in the US, basically all his votes | Sep 27 15:04 |
| schestowitz | a vote for hillary | Sep 27 15:04 |
| scientes | which is as it should be | Sep 27 15:04 |
| schestowitz | people would rather stay home and get a nap | Sep 27 15:04 |
| schestowitz | looong nap | Sep 27 15:05 |
| scientes | the only vote in the US is "stop fucking us over" | Sep 27 15:05 |
| schestowitz | the lines at polling stations grow longer where the GOP wants voter suppression | Sep 27 15:05 |
| scientes | schestowitz, but noone votes | Sep 27 15:05 |
| schestowitz | So Howie | Sep 27 15:05 |
| scientes | that's a non-issue | Sep 27 15:05 |
| schestowitz | because they rightly perceive the system as bought | Sep 27 15:05 |
| schestowitz | the oligarchs so what they want at the end | Sep 27 15:06 |
| schestowitz | non-vote is a protest vote, too | Sep 27 15:06 |
| scientes | there was a massive study that showed that public opinion has ZERO influence on <s>public</s> empire policy | Sep 27 15:06 |
| schestowitz | yes, RMS mentioned this to RT | Sep 27 15:06 |
| schestowitz | did you see his new interview? | Sep 27 15:06 |
| schestowitz | around 25 mins i | Sep 27 15:06 |
| schestowitz | in | Sep 27 15:06 |
| schestowitz | http://tuxmachines.org/node/142537 | Sep 27 15:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Richard Stallman: You can get arrested without a reason | Tux Machines | Sep 27 15:07 | |
| scientes | and consider that the FDA can shut down small farms in 72-hours | Sep 27 15:07 |
| scientes | that is the only way to see it | Sep 27 15:07 |
| schestowitz | this links helps avert the spying of rt.com and third parties | Sep 27 15:07 |
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| schestowitz | apparently rms can take a very long time to respond now | Sep 27 15:10 |
| schestowitz | someone told me a week today | Sep 27 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Chaekyung says 3 days | Sep 27 15:10 |
| scientes | beautiful article https://oc-media.org/in_pictures/in-pictures-borjomis-year-long-winter/ | Sep 27 15:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-oc-media.org | In pictures | Borjomi’s year-long winter | Sep 27 15:13 | |
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| XRevan86 | > and what's worse, if you don't have an e-mail | Sep 27 15:14 |
| XRevan86 | 21:30 | Sep 27 15:14 |
| XRevan86 | Something tells me Sofiko doesn't know how e-mail works :) | Sep 27 15:14 |
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| scientes | well e-mail has this massive spam problem | Sep 27 15:15 |
| schestowitz | not her area tbf | Sep 27 15:15 |
| scientes | I did not last having my own server like XRevan86 does | Sep 27 15:15 |
| scientes | also I have to quite my VPS I have had for 2.5 years | Sep 27 15:15 |
| schestowitz | last week I got many spam emails with photos in them of mutilated child | Sep 27 15:15 |
| scientes | cause they are getting rid of the aarch64 hardware | Sep 27 15:15 |
| schestowitz | the joys of html emails | Sep 27 15:16 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Migrate to a more boring one then | Sep 27 15:16 |
| scientes | its also only 3euros, and the raised the price to 5euros | Sep 27 15:16 |
| scientes | for the other ones | Sep 27 15:16 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I also quit Scaleway. | Sep 27 15:16 |
| scientes | ahh you reminded me I need to migrate my IRC bouncer | Sep 27 15:17 |
| XRevan86 | but I had x86_64 there (for simple reasons of wanting to control the boot process), so migration was super-easy for me | Sep 27 15:17 |
| scientes | yeah but its 5euros now | Sep 27 15:18 |
| scientes | oh your just downloaded the image? | Sep 27 15:18 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I take the whole rootfs with me | Sep 27 15:19 |
| XRevan86 | it didn't have a lot of scaleway-isms, because it predated scaleway too | Sep 27 15:19 |
| XRevan86 | It actually only needs special grub configuration and a boot script that pokes an IP address when done booting. | Sep 27 15:20 |
| XRevan86 | and I think something in sysctl | Sep 27 15:21 |
| scientes | scaleway has a very byzantine boot process | Sep 27 15:22 |
| scientes | because root is a network file system | Sep 27 15:22 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Not on x86_64 | Sep 27 15:23 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It needs a hack in GRUB just for its serial terminal, in case of a problem (works as terribly as it sounds) | Sep 27 15:24 |
| XRevan86 | and IP address pinging is there to tell Scaleway that the boot was successful, otherwise it will try resetting it again and again until it hears from it | Sep 27 15:24 |
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| scientes | oh geeze, Georgia cut off electrictiy and gas in order to get Abkhazia refugees to leave a building so it could be sold https://oc-media.org/videos/video-no-place-to-live-idps-in-georgia/ | Sep 27 15:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-oc-media.org | Video | No Place to Live — IDPs in Georgia | Sep 27 15:25 | |
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| scientes | classical neoliberalism problem | Sep 27 15:26 |
| scientes | which explains why the georgian politicians are not interested in the Abkhazia dialogue proposal | Sep 27 15:26 |
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| cybrNaut | DDG admits to donating to an opponent of net neutrality. https://techfreedom.org/techfreedom-files-amicus-latest-net-neutrality-litigation/ https://spreadprivacy.com/2020-duckduckgo-donations/ | Sep 27 15:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techfreedom.org | TechFreedom Files in Amicus in the Latest Net Neutrality Litigation - TechFreedom | Sep 27 15:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-spreadprivacy.com | 2020 DuckDuckGo Charitable Donations: $750,000 to Organizations Around the World | Sep 27 15:40 | |
| cybrNaut | perhaps DDG just likes the name "tech freedom" on their list of donees.. Most ppl probably don't know they fight against network neutrality | Sep 27 15:41 |
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| scientes | uggggh | Sep 27 15:54 |
| scientes | I need to do more work | Sep 27 15:54 |
| scientes | I def. needed all that sleep et cetera | Sep 27 15:54 |
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| MinceR | maybe even DDG didn't really look into what "techfreedom" does | Sep 27 16:18 |
| cybrNaut | very plausible | Sep 27 16:19 |
| cybrNaut | but my concern is that no one has called them out on it and generated embarrassment | Sep 27 16:19 |
| cybrNaut | ppl blindly trust DDG | Sep 27 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | cybrNaut: not everyone | Sep 27 16:24 |
| schestowitz | some people's views have changed | Sep 27 16:24 |
| schestowitz | we also republished http://techrights.org/2020/07/02/ddg-privacy-abuser-in-disguise/ | Sep 27 16:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why People Should Never Ever Use DuckDuckGo | Techrights | Sep 27 16:24 | |
| schestowitz | maybe it was from you | Sep 27 16:24 |
| cybrNaut | it's interesting how loyal ppl are.. a lot of attitudes have changed but I have to wonder why not more? | Sep 27 16:26 |
| cybrNaut | there are people who despite the findings of that article refuse to condemn or avoid DDG | Sep 27 16:27 |
| schestowitz | https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/osis-simon-phipps-open-sources-past-and-future | Sep 27 16:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxjournal.com | OSI's Simon Phipps on Open Source's Past and Future | Linux Journal | Sep 27 16:28 | |
| schestowitz | "At the moment I feel that I would very much like to see a more diverse membership. I'd like to see us more diverse geographically. I'd like to see us more diverse in terms of the ethnicity and gender of the people who are involved. I would like to see us more diverse in terms of the businesses from which people are employed." | Sep 27 16:28 |
| cybrNaut | what's most remarkable is sites like privacytools.io, switching.software, prism-break... orgs like that should be less loyal and less emotional, but they continue to pimp DDG | Sep 27 16:28 |
| cybrNaut | i think those trusted privacy sites need some embarrassment to push them to be more responsible in their analysis | Sep 27 16:30 |
| kingoffrance | well i always thought it funny ppl recommend DDG ...like even if there were no problems, thats called single point of failure | Sep 27 16:32 |
| cybrNaut | this thread is interesting: https://codeberg.org/swiso/website/issues/137 | Sep 27 16:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-#137 - Reorder metasearch/search engines - website - Codeberg.org | Sep 27 16:32 | |
| cybrNaut | it shows how Swiso is so clung to DDG that after a significant discussion with all DDG's wrongdoing laid out, that they will not remove DDG. They would only lower the position of the endorsement on their website | Sep 27 16:33 |
| cybrNaut | This is an attempt to embarrass the privacy sites that publish bad endorsements: https://dev.lemmy.ml/post/31487 | Sep 27 16:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dev.lemmy.ml | Privacy-centric tool advice sites -- Credibility examined -- part 1: web search engines (DDG & Qwant) - Lemmy | Sep 27 16:38 | |
| cybrNaut | ptio/prism-break/swiso often defend bad endorsements by saying "it must be an easy tool to use for our novice readers", but it's hard to imaging ease of use being an issue with a search engine | Sep 27 16:43 |
| cybrNaut | s/imaging/imagine/ | Sep 27 16:43 |
| scientes | schestowitz, well they do not bubble, which is just a basic sanity thing | Sep 27 16:45 |
| schestowitz | How to destroy #freesw org | Sep 27 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Sep 27 16:49 | |
| schestowitz | 1. Offer a big bribe (like a salary) | Sep 27 16:49 |
| schestowitz | 2. Site well funded but loses credibility | Sep 27 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Sep 27 16:49 | |
| schestowitz | 3. Site loses following, becomes irrelevant | Sep 27 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Sep 27 16:49 | |
| schestowitz | 4. Bribe giver dumps site, offer no more money | Sep 27 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Sep 27 16:49 | |
| schestowitz | 5. Site dead, no money, no sponsors, FOSS activism scuttled | Sep 27 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Sep 27 16:49 | |
| schestowitz | #osi #fsfe | Sep 27 16:49 |
| scientes | > site already irrelevent | Sep 27 16:49 |
| schestowitz | cybrNaut: they have paid shill | Sep 27 16:49 |
| schestowitz | like dan arel | Sep 27 16:49 |
| schestowitz | with bs excuses | Sep 27 16:49 |
| kingoffrance | well yeah that just seems like EEE -- 1) Embrace with funds 2-3) Extend until no credibility 4-5) Extinguished | Sep 27 17:02 |
| kingoffrance | i dont think thats far off at all | Sep 27 17:02 |
| schestowitz | seems effective | Sep 27 17:38 |
| schestowitz | and we saw examples | Sep 27 17:38 |
| schestowitz | the latch is the money | Sep 27 17:38 |
| schestowitz | and then they control the destiny | Sep 27 17:38 |
| schestowitz | antitrust in the US isn't a term in the dictionary anymore | Sep 27 17:38 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Weekly Roundup: Debian 10.6, Edge for Linux and More - Sep 27, 2020 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142592 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7a9776f8-0715-473a-864a-fc793a00b5ca] | Sep 27 17:56 | |
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| kingoffrance | yes, because whoever controls the funds can cut off anyone who doesnt go along to get along | Sep 27 18:09 |
| kingoffrance | so even if person with bag of money doesnt do this, higher up can still ripple down | Sep 27 18:10 |
| kingoffrance | or change of higher mgmt etc. | Sep 27 18:10 |
| kingoffrance | they might not make themselves visible at first | Sep 27 18:10 |
| cybrNaut | i've noticed it doesn't take much money to bribe. E.g. DDG donated $25k to the Tor project, and this was apparently sufficient for Tor Project to endorse DDG and make it the default search engine. | Sep 27 18:21 |
| cybrNaut | PayPal shows this effect quite well too | Sep 27 18:22 |
| cybrNaut | privacy projects all accept PayPal donations. When you expose the fact that PayPal shares data with over 600 companies, the "pro-privacy" projects that accept PayPal money just get angry.. it doesn't stop them doing it | Sep 27 18:23 |
| kingoffrance | well yeah you destroyed the illusion | Sep 27 18:27 |
| kingoffrance | of course they get mad youre ruining things | Sep 27 18:27 |
| cybrNaut | the response is usually "most of our donations come through PayPal", and so the misconception is that if they cut off PayPal they will lose those donations.. no one ever thinks that the money will just take a different path in the absence of PP | Sep 27 18:30 |
| *XRevan86 wanted to find the GPL sources of MaxDB 7.6, couldn't. They seem to be gone from existence. | Sep 27 18:41 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The GFCI outlet in the kitchen finally shorted out | Sep 27 18:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Good news is that there's a non-GFCI outlet under the counter that may have been for a dishwasher or something at one point. | Sep 27 18:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That still works. So I rigged up an appliance extension cord to it and ran it up to the top | Sep 27 18:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I really don't want maintenance people in here with the virus going around. | Sep 27 18:43 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I could probably just turn the breaker off, pull the box out of the wall, cut the shorted wire off and reconnect, and put it back in the wall, but I don't want to screw around with hotel property. | Sep 27 18:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Plus, if you're smart you'll have to go down to the hardware store and buy a detector to make sure you really did turn off the correct switch at the box. | Sep 27 18:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Otherwise you could fry yourself. | Sep 27 18:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's better if an electrician from the hotel gets around to it at some point after we're gone or the virus dies down. | Sep 27 18:45 |
| XRevan86 | Oh, found on ftp.gwdg.de <ftp://ftp.gwdg.de>, not gone. | Sep 27 18:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I did do electrical work at one of mom's houses that she lost in a divorce later. | Sep 27 18:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She was having electrical problems in the kitchen and when I took the drywall out to do the job I was going to anyway in there, I found that someone had daisy chained a bunch of cheap extension cords in there at some point and there really only was one outlet in the kitchen, and they just tapped into that. | Sep 27 18:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, sure it might burn the house down, but you'll have beer money leftover, so eh. | Sep 27 18:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I had to rip everything out and run new wiring. Then when I was in there anyway I put in insulation since there wasn't any. | Sep 27 18:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She was always wondering the first winter there why the furnace didn't heat the house properly. I said, "Well, in 1906, nobody put any insulation in the walls." | Sep 27 18:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That job turned into a real nightmare because the measurements were never quite right for anything and so yeah. | Sep 27 18:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The whole house looked pretty modern when I was done though. It even has a second bathroom upstairs. | Sep 27 18:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Everyone Dave did call out there to do work for him he just stiffed them on the bill. | Sep 27 18:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He has everyone in the state after him for money. | Sep 27 18:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I have to know everything because I can't afford any more lawyers or specialists or anything like that. | Sep 27 18:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I was looking into the possibility of buying a U-Haul truck and converting it into an RV. | Sep 27 18:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not illegal. Technically it's still just a box truck. | Sep 27 18:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was wondering if the economics of that would work out favorably compared to renting. | Sep 27 18:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was reading about people doing this, and they say the easiest way to establish state residency when you're living like that is to stay one night in South Dakota and bring the hotel receipt to the DMV. All they require for state residency there is that you stay one day. | Sep 27 18:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's pretty much the most flexible state citizenship I've seen. | Sep 27 18:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois requires that you stay at least a month to get a driver's license, and you don't get to apply for in-state college tuition for 6 months, but I'm really not sure why you would become an "on paper" Illinois resident. | Sep 27 18:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You subject yourself to one of the worst tax codes in the nation and you don't even live here most of the time, probably. | Sep 27 18:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When you move to Illinois, you have 45 days to get an Illinois driver's license, legally anyway. Your out of state license is considered a valid license for that time period in order to give you time to get to the DMV. | Sep 27 19:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's usually long enough to get enough mail with your address on it and get down there. | Sep 27 19:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I keep hearing about companies renting an empty office in Maryland and calling it their corporate headquarters. | Sep 27 19:03 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The bankruptcy law says if you have had more "presence" in that court's jurisdication over the past 6 months than any other, then you can file bankruptcy there. | Sep 27 19:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So companies filing Chapter 11 are seeking out the most friendly courts for that and establishing an empty office there. | Sep 27 19:04 |
| kingoffrance | i thought delaware was the big friendly to corps area | Sep 27 19:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I was joking when that XBOX 360 debacle was going on that Microsoft had an office in McAllen, TX so that they could toss the red ring of death units over the border with Mexico. | Sep 27 19:05 |
| kingoffrance | or are they all kind of in the vicinity | Sep 27 19:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft had to replace 8 XBOX 360 consoles with me. | Sep 27 19:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because they'd send me a refurb and a few weeks later, red ring of death. | Sep 27 19:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They also had to pay shipping both ways each time. | Sep 27 19:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | By the time I reached my 8th unit, they said they were sorry for all the trouble and shipped one back to me with three free games. | Sep 27 19:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <kingoffrance "or are they all kind of in the v"> No. Not unless you reach the appeals court. | Sep 27 19:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Each state has a bankruptcy court and usually 2. | Sep 27 19:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if you live in Illinois, you'd file in either the Northern or Southern District, if you live in Kentucky it's Eastern and Western District, and so on. | Sep 27 19:07 |
| kingoffrance | i just meant i never heard of maryland being that way, but delaware yes | Sep 27 19:07 |
| Ariadne | the original XBOX 360 was a shitshow yeah | Sep 27 19:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But all bankruptcy courts in an appeals court circuit have appeals going to the same circuit court. | Sep 27 19:08 |
| Ariadne | i wound up swapping mine with a more recent 360 and it has been stable | Sep 27 19:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So when the 10th Circuit ruled that private student loans are dischargeable in bankruptcy, their decision is binding on all of the bankruptcy courts in every state in the 10th Circuit. | Sep 27 19:08 |
| kingoffrance | ok makes sense | Sep 27 19:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But not outside that Circuit. So now if you establish residency in one of those states, you can file bankruptcy and I would list like Sallie MAE "Private Student Loan - Dischargeable under (cite the case in the 10th Circuit)". | Sep 27 19:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can discharge that loan now without filing and Adversarial Proceeding and undergoing the means test of the BAPCPA law. | Sep 27 19:10 |
| Ariadne | i don't think i am going to buy a ps5 though | Sep 27 19:10 |
| Ariadne | xbox series x looks like much better hardware | Sep 27 19:10 |
| Ariadne | also it doesn't look goofy | Sep 27 19:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The XBOX 360 wasn't a bad console. It actually did handle most of GTA V just fine. | Sep 27 19:12 |
| Ariadne | though, i have to wonder | Sep 27 19:13 |
| Ariadne | why microsoft has | Sep 27 19:13 |
| Ariadne | xbox series x | Sep 27 19:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not the same graphical detail of the PS4, and they omitted some of the songs and the in-car view. | Sep 27 19:13 |
| Ariadne | and xbox series s | Sep 27 19:13 |
| Ariadne | i don't think the S is going to sell well | Sep 27 19:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, there's too many SKUs. | Sep 27 19:13 |
| Ariadne | $300 for meh specs vs $500 for good specs | Sep 27 19:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Brand dilution is dangerous. | Sep 27 19:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Consoles have usually been sold at a loss. | Sep 27 19:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Standard practice is to lose $100-150 each and make up for it by assuming that people will buy more than enough games to offset. | Sep 27 19:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Later on when you do a revision, you can break even or make a small profit because you can implement the same hardware specs with less expensive parts. | Sep 27 19:15 |
| kingoffrance | ^^^ | Sep 27 19:16 |
| kingoffrance | they always come out with a slim/smaller physical version | Sep 27 19:16 |
| kingoffrance | maybe less power usage too | Sep 27 19:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Switching to x86 makes sense. | Sep 27 19:17 |
| scientes | schestowitz, it never way, Teddy Rosevelt never broke the railroads | Sep 27 19:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | IBM didn't have economies of scale because they don't also sell billions of chips that go into PCs. | Sep 27 19:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, the compilers for PowerPC are just terrible. | Sep 27 19:17 |
| scientes | only the highway system did that | Sep 27 19:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you actually look at what happens with GNU/Linux on PowerPC, you don't want to buy it. For example, you can't compile Firefox with JIT turned on because of bugs in GCC that make it crash. | Sep 27 19:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Many programs end up with horrible bugs because GCC generates defective binary output on that platform, so you end up with a mostly working system that's full of bugs. | Sep 27 19:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe that's OK if you want to take LLVM and adopt it as part of your SDK and fix issues that pertain to your console. | Sep 27 19:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's mainly where Sony's interest in LLVM comes in. | Sep 27 19:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, it compiles shaders on their later consoles because it's part of the graphics driver anyway. | Sep 27 19:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <scientes "schestowitz, it never way, Teddy"> Union Pacific is deliberately not checking for tickets right now on the Metra lines they operate. | Sep 27 19:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're blaming the virus, but it's really to screw over Metra. Everyone knows they can ride for free and Metra loses revenue. | Sep 27 19:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're using it to try to strongarm Metra into signing a new deal to operate their own trains on UP's tracks and just pay UP rent for using the tracks. | Sep 27 19:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know, I don't really need to say this, but this is how train collisions happen. | Sep 27 19:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's exactly how the one happened where McCormick Place is now in, what, the 1970s? | Sep 27 19:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Killed a lot of people. | Sep 27 19:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What became Metra was running their own stock on the tracks, and the cargo trains were running theirs. So a foggy day, right? Nobody communicating. A delay happened and the passenger train was sitting on the tracks and nobody told the cargo train behind them running on its schedule. | Sep 27 19:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It slammed into the passenger train and killed over 100 people if I recall correctly. | Sep 27 19:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Metra and everyone else have been under a legal mandate to install and comply with Positive Train Control technology that makes it impossible for the engineer to take corners too fast and which communicates with them about where everything is on the tracks, but the truth is that Congress kept delaying it and didn't provide any funding. | Sep 27 19:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's still not fully implemented. | Sep 27 19:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So what Union Pacific proposes is a return to that on lines where PTC is not fully implemented. | Sep 27 19:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It brings up the possibility of another disaster exactly like the one in downtown Chicago. | Sep 27 19:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | US infrastructure is in shockingly poor condition. They closed an interstate bridge between Texas and Louisiana because of that hurricane that hit Lake Charles a few weeks ago. | Sep 27 19:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They said that it was because in the last engineering review, the bridge, which was constructed in the early 50s and has been 20 years overdue for a replacement, scored an F for structural integrity. | Sep 27 19:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But they're still using it every day, so it's going to be another I-35 collapse eventually and everyone just thinks "Oh we can push it and keep using this for another 10 years and it'll probably be okay.". | Sep 27 19:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because there's so many things out there like that which all need replaced 20 years ago and Congress is busy giving money to fucking Real Networks, Trump Hotels, and Russian scam artists who get PPP loans and then flee the country. | Sep 27 19:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump keeps saying he wants and infrastructure bill, the Democrats do too, but they're not just going to hand him something that puts toll booths everywhere. Everyone hates toll booths. I go out of my way to take the long way around the Illinois and Indiana toll roads. | Sep 27 19:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I will drive another half hour to avoid paying to use infrastructure that should be funded by rich assholes who can goddamned afford to pay their taxes. | Sep 27 19:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Illinois legislature has been mishandling the budget for years, and now we have to pass constitutional amendments, under open threat. Open threat. | Sep 27 19:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Lt. Gov OPENLY THREATENED us in a speech yesterday. | Sep 27 19:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She said if you don't pass the "progressive tax" in this election, "Everyone will get a permanent 20% income tax hike, no matter whether you can pay it or not.". | Sep 27 19:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How is that NOT a threat? | Sep 27 19:33 |
| MinceR | "are you threatening me, master jedi?" | Sep 27 19:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump's economy is fantastic. To prove it, the BLS is producing a new measure of GDP. | Sep 27 20:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The CPI-HS. | Sep 27 20:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When you consider GDP by only including hand sanitizer, it's up over 400% in a single year. Winning. | Sep 27 20:12 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 27 20:13 |
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| Ariadne | https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html | Sep 27 22:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Trump’s Taxes Show Chronic Losses and Years of Income Tax Avoidance - The New York Times | Sep 27 22:32 | |
| Ariadne | welp | Sep 27 22:32 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Stable Kernels: 5.8.12, 5.4.68, and 4.19.148 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142600 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a2dbafa9-6eb3-4b77-b7a3-7e9231a34f6a] | Sep 27 22:40 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Calibre 5 Released with eBook Highlighting, Switches to Python 3 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142549#comment-26507vvvv [https://pleroma.site/objects/79146a0a-0d17-4e93-988a-f534ed373a1d] | Sep 27 22:43 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KaOS Linux 2020.09 Released with KDE Plasma 5.19.5, Improved Installer http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142599 [https://pleroma.site/objects/94196ea1-1d17-4edb-a047-4833e394a7f8] | Sep 27 22:45 | |
| *CrystalMath is now known as FutureBrain | Sep 27 22:47 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142598 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5087d3ff-d28f-4452-bf4d-7f0dd4c3dd5e] | Sep 27 22:47 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Changelog: Nitrux 1.3.3 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142597 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a51216a5-5285-41b5-a8cc-c40b8137e293] | Sep 27 22:48 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Now and Then: The Journey of 5 Open Source Linux Music Players http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142596 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d4ed1b3f-c1cf-49f8-9e2e-a5dfad7d3ab5] | Sep 27 22:50 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IPFire 2.25 - Core Update 150 is available for testing http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142595 [https://pleroma.site/objects/aeba7603-a24a-4f2a-a66c-2b93154b6770] | Sep 27 22:51 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The 20 Best Build Automation Tools for Modern Software Development http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142594 [https://pleroma.site/objects/269be111-d2d7-47ab-87e2-2238d549d82d] | Sep 27 22:53 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 8 Best Free and Open Source Linux Renderers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142593 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6f8280a9-0ff1-4e0d-953b-9411512d8a50] | Sep 27 22:54 | |
| *obarun (~obarun@host-115-126-165-174.fibre.nautile.nc) has joined #techrights | Sep 27 23:01 | |
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| schestowitz | slashdot is a Microsoft mrgaphone these days http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdotLinux/~3/eqyBbfRa8-k/eric-s-raymond-is-microsoft-switching-to-a-linux-kernel-that-emulates-windows | Sep 27 23:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org | Eric S. Raymond: Is Microsoft Switching To a Linux Kernel That Emulates Windows? - Slashdot | Sep 27 23:06 | |
| schestowitz | their whole "Linux" section is megaphone of Microsoft | Sep 27 23:06 |
| schestowitz | and they have just bought Linux Journal assets | Sep 27 23:06 |
| schestowitz | not good | Sep 27 23:06 |
| schestowitz | https://fosspost.org/microsoft-to-run-linux-apps-on-windows/ | Sep 27 23:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fosspost.org | Microsoft is Planning to Run Linux Programs on Windows | Sep 27 23:08 | |
| schestowitz | they try to control the whole narrative | Sep 27 23:08 |
| schestowitz | "Linux" is... Microsoft | Sep 27 23:08 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kid3 Audio Tagger 3.8.4 Released with Usability Improvements & Flatpak Support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142601 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f94f6238-ec52-40c6-b9e9-c02a2998526a] | Sep 27 23:19 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Python Programming http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142602 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c63c18a9-88f4-4c50-a454-7d11ca71274b] | Sep 27 23:23 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142603 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b3250a34-0980-474d-937b-fdccbdeaf815] | Sep 27 23:27 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: New YouTube Videos About GNU/Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142604 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a837ef7d-c1a9-448e-be13-fc6845f28aa7] | Sep 27 23:33 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Virt-Manager 3.0 Released With UI Improvements, Cloud-Init Option http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142583#comment-26508 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5753165d-7e70-42aa-9c39-95eaf78b1286] | Sep 27 23:35 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: Zink, DP-HDMI2.1, Vulkan http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142605 [https://pleroma.site/objects/70a6c7dd-b81b-4e62-8b91-de1aed976a9b] | Sep 27 23:40 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Hardware: Linux on Snapdragon and Raspberry Pi 4 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142606 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8e7dc04a-b4dd-437c-b23d-9248e5619e5b] | Sep 27 23:49 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142607 [https://pleroma.site/objects/be0dd49f-a660-46ab-8ad8-bc9c32bf19f9] | Sep 27 23:55 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142608 [https://pleroma.site/objects/08c0fd1b-1797-4fdd-be36-bcbdc190af4c] | Sep 27 23:59 | |
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