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| DaemonFC[m] | Texted the landlord and asked if we could drop by Thursday and drop off a mattress because it's going to be the only day someone strong enough to help me with it is here. | Oct 27 00:39 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I can move it by myself but I hurt myself last time | Oct 27 00:39 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todayโs #HowTos | #UNIX โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143695 [https://pleroma.site/objects/21d8e934-874d-44af-a552-8465ae9fc224] | Oct 27 06:06 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Latest Firefox on OpenPOWER/POWER and Arctic Fox 27.11.0 โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143696 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8638ce4f-e0bc-4ee3-b16c-1d5098c56f24] | Oct 27 06:09 | |
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| schestowitz | Away game tonight for ManCity in Champions League | Oct 27 06:42 |
| schestowitz | anyone still watching sport? | Oct 27 06:42 |
| schestowitz | apparently a lot fewer than before | Oct 27 06:42 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: is there a simple way to add https transport layer above the OS/server layer? | Oct 27 06:57 |
| schestowitz | like, maybe a caching/reverse proxy? | Oct 27 06:57 |
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| schestowitz | Ariadne: it could also help tackle some ddos attack by serving static pages for repeated (similar) requests | Oct 27 07:05 |
| schestowitz | I reckon it should be possible to do, based on https://reinout.vanrees.org/weblog/2017/05/02/https-behind-proxy.html | Oct 27 07:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-reinout.vanrees.org | HTTPS behind your reverse proxy - Reinout van Rees | Oct 27 07:07 | |
| schestowitz | tessier used to have a multi-site dedicated varnish server | Oct 27 07:07 |
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| schestowitz | "Today, we'll teach you how to set up an HTTPS to HTTP reverse proxy. This service can come in handy if you have an HTTP Web server hosted in an internal network that you would like external clients to access via HTTPS. That way, inbound clients connecting via the Internet can access your site securely. " | Oct 27 07:09 |
| schestowitz | https://www.jscape.com/blog/https-to-http-reverse-proxy | Oct 27 07:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jscape.com | Setting Up A HTTPS To HTTP Reverse Proxy | Oct 27 07:09 | |
| schestowitz | then can do the same for tuxmachines, using the same reverse proxy | Oct 27 07:09 |
| schestowitz | without risking package changes that can b0rk the site's operations, https being a layer added at another node in isolation, invisible to the back end | Oct 27 07:10 |
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| schestowitz | Reading further into it, this kind of setup seems common, wherein the proxy manages both cert renewals and serving those | Oct 27 07:21 |
| schestowitz | and the back end doesn't need to worry about encryption much, it just uses a firewall limited to the proxy | Oct 27 07:21 |
| schestowitz | that would also speed things up | Oct 27 07:22 |
| schestowitz | if it doubles as a static page repo | Oct 27 07:22 |
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| guest1234k|72907 | this is a test | Oct 27 07:44 |
| schestowitz | I am checking a widget for IRC | Oct 27 07:44 |
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| schestowitz | mibbit is still blocked by freenode | Oct 27 08:02 |
| schestowitz | https://wiki.allizom.org/IRC | Oct 27 08:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.allizom.org | IRC - MozillaWiki | Oct 27 08:02 | |
| schestowitz | since what.. like a decade back? | Oct 27 08:02 |
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| tr_guest|71356 | this is a test again | Oct 27 08:07 |
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| schestowitz | no wonder.. | Oct 27 08:33 |
| schestowitz | https://wiki.mibbit.com/index.php/Widget | Oct 27 08:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.mibbit.com | Widget - Mibbit Wiki | Oct 27 08:33 | |
| schestowitz | "autoConnect=true - avoids the connect-form. Don't use this feature on your start-page or at least add, e.g., &delay=10 to the URI, otherwise it can create many unused sessions from people who just drop in and leave the page after some seconds. Autoconnect is useful on dedicated chat pages though (you shouldn't put an widget on every page the visitor might go to)." | Oct 27 08:33 |
| schestowitz | That's why freenode banned them, I guess | Oct 27 08:33 |
| schestowitz | qwebirc as well | Oct 27 08:36 |
| schestowitz | "No, if this was allowed then bad people could IFRAME lots and lots of copies, which would get you glined for having too many clones." http://207.44.180.201/qwebirc-qwebirc-516de557ddc7/static/panes/faq.html | Oct 27 08:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-207.44.180.201 | NO TITLE | Oct 27 08:36 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 10 Useful Free and Open Source JavaScript Frameworks โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143699 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fcd3c8b7-7684-4d84-87c8-2e3085dababb] | Oct 27 12:08 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IPFire 2.25 - Core Update 151 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143700 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6c58f564-88b0-434f-bdf1-43b8a4f1327e] | Oct 27 12:09 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143701 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d9acaf2b-5f30-47e8-aa71-cc0016319a42] | Oct 27 12:10 | |
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| zoobab | https://twitter.com/_reflets_/status/1321103306131972097 | Oct 27 14:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@_reflets_: Ce serait presque drรดle, si ce nโรฉtait pas si tristeโฆ #Pantouflage #EdouardPhilippe #Atos https://t.co/qPKji1Qx0v | Oct 27 14:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@_reflets_: Ce serait presque drรดle, si ce nโรฉtait pas si tristeโฆ #Pantouflage #EdouardPhilippe #Atos https://t.co/qPKji1Qx0v | Oct 27 14:58 | |
| zoobab | guess who is taking the place of Breton at Atos? | Oct 27 14:58 |
| schestowitz | Who is that? | Oct 27 15:00 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedora 33 Released with GNOME 3.38.1 and Linux Kernel 5.8, Btrfs as Default Filesystem โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143702 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bc3e8e46-2418-47f7-a2e0-cf6d867da0e7] | Oct 27 15:02 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedora 33 is now available for download, This is Whatโs New โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143703 [https://pleroma.site/objects/af4c1f9e-9661-4f04-b0e1-c626fd87e541] | Oct 27 15:03 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #HowTo Upgrade to Fedora 33 Workstation from Fedora 32 (GUI and CLI Method) โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143704 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ad47f22a-72e3-468a-b33a-c4310904b519] | Oct 27 15:04 | |
| zoobab | ex-prime minister of France | Oct 27 15:09 |
| zoobab | Edouard Philippe | Oct 27 15:09 |
| zoobab | Macron changed him in summer | Oct 27 15:10 |
| schestowitz | x https://www.computerworld.com/article/3587230/mozilla-sees-collateral-damage-in-doj-antitrust-fight-with-google.html | Oct 27 15:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mozilla sees 'collateral damage' in DOJ antitrust fight with Google | Computerworld | Oct 27 15:12 | |
| schestowitz | # paywall | Oct 27 15:12 |
| zoobab | https://www.capital.fr/economie-politique/la-future-remuneration-dedouard-philippe-chez-atos-1381412 | Oct 27 15:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-La future rรฉmunรฉration d'Edouard Philippe chez Atos - Capital.fr | Oct 27 15:20 | |
| zoobab | just 50K to participate to board meetings | Oct 27 15:20 |
| zoobab | "The ratification of the UPC is an amendment of the constitution such that EU law has primacy in view of the other provisions of the constitution in respect of all matters relating to the UPC" | Oct 27 15:21 |
| zoobab | http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2020/10/23/ffii-preparing-constitutional-complaint-against-unified-patent-court-agreement/#comment-37471 | Oct 27 15:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | FFII preparing constitutional complaint against Unified Patent Court Agreement - Kluwer Patent Blog | Oct 27 15:21 | |
| zoobab | do you understand point 166 of the march decision? | Oct 27 15:21 |
| zoobab | primacy of EU law | Oct 27 15:21 |
| zoobab | related to the BCE case | Oct 27 15:22 |
| zoobab | according to observers | Oct 27 15:22 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: โThe transition to #Wayland is taking far longer than it should, and a lot of important software simply isnโt ready yet.โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143627#comment-26873 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3d87ef12-5204-4800-9b5d-f5b3f5cbb83b] | Oct 27 15:30 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Pro1 X Smartphone to Ship with Android, Lineage OS, or Ubuntu Touch โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143705 [https://pleroma.site/objects/585c8337-2c97-4403-b28a-f391f04b43a9] | Oct 27 15:41 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todayโs #HowTos | #UNIX โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143706 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d5a0229a-be77-4e7a-9a48-ee6b88d42e95] | Oct 27 15:42 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: LibreOffice 7.1 Alpha Is Up For Testing โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143707 [https://pleroma.site/objects/41a33c31-6003-4d94-b91f-1dc71e110c2c] | Oct 27 15:52 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux 5.10, Linux 5.11 and Kroah-Hartman Speaks (Reported by Microsoft Tim) โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143709 [https://pleroma.site/objects/919e90cc-968b-4834-b986-aecdb0b791d1] | Oct 27 16:07 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KDE Plasma 5.20.2 Desktop Released with More Than 25 Bug Fixes โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143708 [https://pleroma.site/objects/99d41c91-5dee-4c9f-9098-0ae1419a0c85] | Oct 27 16:11 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Avorion, Iratus: Wrath of the Necromancer, Little Ghost and LEd โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143710 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e6666b8d-44f7-49a5-9ca6-6d1d26a97a99] | Oct 27 16:16 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Pop!_OS 20.10 Released Based on Ubuntu 20.10 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143574#comment-26880 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5006a633-841d-4c78-8351-1add61acbc83] | Oct 27 16:22 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Videos and Audiocasts: Pop!_OS 20.10, Fedora 33, Late Night Linux, The Python Podcast โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143711 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8a2b4e76-1354-43ea-80f1-153c367b6f04] | Oct 27 16:28 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The 2020 State Of Wayland Support For Chrome/Chromium - Aiming For H2โ2021 Default http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143627#comment-26883 [https://pleroma.site/objects/dc7da4c3-6d27-439c-8039-652672c62615] | Oct 27 16:30 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Tracker 3.0: How did we get here? โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143712 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d7479cf7-87eb-4c2f-bb28-4630df5ae0da] | Oct 27 16:40 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GStreamer 1.18.1 stable bug fix release โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143713 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f02acb9a-0e71-47cc-b6ec-8142e7907748] | Oct 27 16:54 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: RHEL and Red Hat Leftovers โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143714 [https://pleroma.site/objects/df4b7830-3b85-4b36-b4c3-9c9b016f04e3] | Oct 27 17:00 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Foundation Claims It Supports Diversity โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143715 [https://pleroma.site/objects/074cfc54-c3ec-4438-935e-d6bbeeb8e2e7] | Oct 27 17:05 | |
| XRevan86 | https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&u=https%3A%2F%2Fopennet.ru%2F53931 | Oct 27 17:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-translate.google.com | Google Translate | Oct 27 17:14 | |
| XRevan86 | Google News will reject any new website if articles on it contain links. | Oct 27 17:16 |
| schestowitz | ?? | Oct 27 17:20 |
| schestowitz | is this accurate? | Oct 27 17:21 |
| schestowitz | or clickbait? | Oct 27 17:21 |
| schestowitz | seems unlikely to be the policy per se | Oct 27 17:21 |
| schestowitz | more news sites DO need to have external links | Oct 27 17:21 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: OpenNET posted their interaction with Google about why their publications were rejected. | Oct 27 17:22 |
| schestowitz | in Russian? | Oct 27 17:22 |
| XRevan86 | yes | Oct 27 17:22 |
| schestowitz | maybe it was explained to them it was not sufficiently original content | Oct 27 17:22 |
| schestowitz | like tuxmachines | Oct 27 17:23 |
| schestowitz | same for Slashdot | Oct 27 17:23 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, ./ isn't in Google News either | Oct 27 17:23 |
| schestowitz | as it is external links with blurbs in them | Oct 27 17:23 |
| schestowitz | os news is the same | Oct 27 17:23 |
| schestowitz | but google news seems OK with it | Oct 27 17:23 |
| XRevan86 | https://opennet.ru/opennews/pics_base/0_1603702350.png arrows point to the issues | Oct 27 17:23 |
| schestowitz | so it's not consistently applied | Oct 27 17:23 |
| schestowitz | tbh, I don't think google news brings so much traffic | Oct 27 17:23 |
| XRevan86 | Google's staff used Google Translate apparently, which is helpful in this case :) | Oct 27 17:23 |
| schestowitz | I have some ways of measuring that | Oct 27 17:23 |
| schestowitz | for a small site it can be a big boost | Oct 27 17:24 |
| schestowitz | for already-established ones in niche areas (not politics) it does not matter much | Oct 27 17:24 |
| schestowitz | for a "linux" story google news might bring 100 people in the first day | Oct 27 17:24 |
| schestowitz | for some people that's huge, for some it's irrelevant | Oct 27 17:24 |
| schestowitz | maybe it used to be more and it still depends on the topic as well | Oct 27 17:25 |
| XRevan86 | > Google: We would like to notify you about that Google News do not permit content which has links to other web sites even if they correlate with the content, as not all the users may want to visit other web sites from the content they're interacting with. | Oct 27 17:27 |
| XRevan86 | > Additional information can be found in the following pages of the Help Centre: https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/2721311 and https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/35769 | Oct 27 17:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.google.com | Doorway pages - Search Console Help | Oct 27 17:28 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.google.com | Webmaster Guidelines - Search Console Help | Oct 27 17:28 | |
| schestowitz | tell them they waste their time | Oct 27 17:28 |
| schestowitz | afaik opennet has many regular readers | Oct 27 17:28 |
| schestowitz | but arguing with google gave them a juicy story | Oct 27 17:29 |
| schestowitz | BTW, Yandex fucked over a site we support | Oct 27 17:29 |
| XRevan86 | Indeed. | Oct 27 17:29 |
| schestowitz | 30 minutes downtime during my shift | Oct 27 17:29 |
| schestowitz | Yandex was hammering away | Oct 27 17:29 |
| XRevan86 | They're well-connected in the Russian tech community anyway. | Oct 27 17:29 |
| schestowitz | London's municipal site | Oct 27 17:29 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: How is Yandex involved? | Oct 27 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Sites that beg google news to be included are bad | Oct 27 17:30 |
| schestowitz | like merely a link and some bad english blurb, also plagiarism sites | Oct 27 17:30 |
| schestowitz | lots of plagiarists added recently | Oct 27 17:30 |
| schestowitz | google culls them later | Oct 27 17:30 |
| schestowitz | their review process must be a joke | Oct 27 17:30 |
| schestowitz | they add, they ban | Oct 27 17:30 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: Yandex in the agent strong | Oct 27 17:30 |
| schestowitz | *string | Oct 27 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | and I assume not forged | Oct 27 17:30 |
| schestowitz | it caused quite an incident when I was oncall overnight | Oct 27 17:31 |
| XRevan86 | DoS? | Oct 27 17:31 |
| schestowitz | maybe | Oct 27 17:31 |
| schestowitz | but not deliberate | Oct 27 17:31 |
| schestowitz | But nobody was like, 'f3nking RUSSIA HACKERSS!!!!!!" | Oct 27 17:33 |
| schestowitz | I had bad experiences with baidu also | Oct 27 17:33 |
| schestowitz | sometimes MS/AWS/Google | Oct 27 17:34 |
| schestowitz | they don't even obey robots.txt | Oct 27 17:34 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Five-port Arm networking SBC offers LVDS link http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143716 [https://pleroma.site/objects/929cdf52-9e09-433c-8fa7-3b0da8e33b5c] | Oct 27 17:35 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Best Linux server distributions of 2020 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143717 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c3d6ba9f-3f51-404f-b647-99cc7f194774] | Oct 27 17:44 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Programming : #PHP , #Raku and #Python โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143720 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6a916093-0df6-446d-a38f-422e67a5000a] | Oct 27 17:52 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Tor, Proprietary Software, DRM, and Security โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143721 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2d2e3cae-bb60-473b-87c9-db3134b2350f] | Oct 27 17:55 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todayโs ๐ฃ๐พ๐ ๐๐ช๐ฌ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ท๐ฎ๐ผ Leftovers โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143723 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2e668de7-eb3c-4ec6-a0cc-ae111a3b28f9] | Oct 27 18:01 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 27/10/2020: FuguIta 6.8, Fedora 33, Red Hat Satellite 6.8, KDE Plasma 5.20.2 and GStreamer 1.18.1 โข ๐๐ ด๐ ฒ๐ ท๐๐ ธ๐ ถ๐ ท๐๐ โ http://techrights.org/2020/10/27/fuguita-6-8-fedora-33/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/419d9b36-c1b2-4cc7-91b6-f13344c58ee3] | Oct 27 18:07 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Okay, I got ahold of Communist Edison. | Oct 27 18:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The electricity is going to be switched over to my name on Friday, which is when Mark said we could have the place. | Oct 27 18:20 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedora Linux 33 with GNOME 3.38 now available for PC and Raspberry Pi http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143702#comment-26885 [https://pleroma.site/objects/41c14e43-7c92-4dee-9350-21bc792cd533] | Oct 27 18:22 | |
| schestowitz | cool | Oct 27 18:23 |
| schestowitz | don't electrocute yourself to celebrate | Oct 27 18:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: you have lots of browsers installed | Oct 27 18:24 |
| schestowitz | can you do me a favour? | Oct 27 18:24 |
| schestowitz | go to http://techrights.org/2020/10/27/fuguita-6-8-fedora-33/ | Oct 27 18:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 27/10/2020: FuguIta 6.8, Fedora 33, Red Hat Satellite 6.8, KDE Plasma 5.20.2 and GStreamer 1.18.1 | Techrights | Oct 27 18:24 | |
| schestowitz | at the top menu, check it shows and behaves correctly across browsers | Oct 27 18:24 |
| schestowitz | bottom shows what used to be the old flat 'menu' | Oct 27 18:24 |
| schestowitz | I am still working on the top menu to better organise the site | Oct 27 18:25 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: A Look At The Performance Improvements With System76 Pop!_OS 20.10 โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143719 [https://pleroma.site/objects/471ce696-5812-4bbe-b345-37a159bcd5ba] | Oct 27 18:26 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143722 [https://pleroma.site/objects/50e59dc2-5718-4ced-8936-f0d652181404] | Oct 27 18:27 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programmable Boards, #Windows Marketed as โLinuxโ, and #OpenHardware ( #Arduino ) โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143718 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e92f6235-c8ce-4234-a3da-9a86500c4bde] | Oct 27 18:30 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Firefox ESR 78.4 good | Oct 27 18:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Vivaldi 3.4.2066.86 (Chromium 86) good | Oct 27 18:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Opera 72.0.3815.148 (Chromium 86) good | Oct 27 18:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I suspect anything Chromium based renders it properly. | Oct 27 18:33 |
| schestowitz | I tried one | Oct 27 18:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I got a libmysqldatabase update or something this morning. | Oct 27 18:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 40 CVEs fixed. Yikes. | Oct 27 18:35 |
| schestowitz | OK, I will continue accommodating it with more entries then, thanks | Oct 27 18:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yep | Oct 27 18:36 |
| schestowitz | some software uses small DBs | Oct 27 18:36 |
| schestowitz | but it's only a local threat | Oct 27 18:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Falkon 3.1 with QtWebEngine version 5.12.8 looks okay. | Oct 27 18:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It does make you appreciate how most free/open source developers care about defects, even if they're trivial and don't affect anything real. | Oct 27 18:37 |
| schestowitz | rather than cover it up | Oct 27 18:38 |
| schestowitz | 1) to save face | Oct 27 18:38 |
| schestowitz | 2) to save monet | Oct 27 18:38 |
| schestowitz | *money | Oct 27 18:38 |
| zoobab | Trolls interviews here: | Oct 27 18:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | David Bryant is interested in fixing issues in WavPack found by fuzzing tools even if they could never cause an issue and has spun releases fixing like a dozen or so and then mentioning it's not really important to update right away but he wanted to fix them. | Oct 27 18:38 |
| schestowitz | when they pay developers to fix things and then sell "upgrades" | Oct 27 18:38 |
| zoobab | https://www.thinkyoung.eu/inventors | Oct 27 18:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thinkyoung.eu | Hidden Inventors | ThinkYoung | Brussels | Oct 27 18:38 | |
| schestowitz | fuzzing is crap | Oct 27 18:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The damned cover ups at Microsoft sometimes cost them more than just fixing the bug in the first place. | Oct 27 18:39 |
| schestowitz | maybe in some scenarios it's the right tool | Oct 27 18:39 |
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| schestowitz | otherwise it gives many false positives and takes lots of time | Oct 27 18:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because then they sit on it, fully aware of what it is, and then a year goes by and all of a sudden it gets independently discovered and Windows or something is under attack by real malware. | Oct 27 18:39 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: well, in many domains MSFT goes away | Oct 27 18:39 |
| schestowitz | but | Oct 27 18:39 |
| schestowitz | it does not mean we "win" | Oct 27 18:39 |
| schestowitz | there are many post-Microsoft battles | Oct 27 18:39 |
| schestowitz | for many decades to come, I think | Oct 27 18:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Where they have to fix it anyway with an untested patch, that breaks something else. When they had an entire year to implement a working patch and there never would have been an attack. | Oct 27 18:40 |
| schestowitz | we need to focus on paradigms, not brands | Oct 27 18:40 |
| schestowitz | not fixing security issue is one issue | Oct 27 18:40 |
| schestowitz | it's harder with Free software | Oct 27 18:40 |
| schestowitz | because people can see the issue | Oct 27 18:40 |
| schestowitz | and people can exploit fast | Oct 27 18:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They attack free/open source software for having "lots of CVE patches". | Oct 27 18:40 |
| schestowitz | so it encourages good and fast ass-covering | Oct 27 18:40 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: they compare apples to oranges | Oct 27 18:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not focusing on the issue that many of them are unimportant and only technically a CVE, and they're getting patched instead of ignored and denied. | Oct 27 18:41 |
| schestowitz | but the rebuttals are out there already | Oct 27 18:41 |
| schestowitz | they also say we reuse libs with bugs | Oct 27 18:41 |
| schestowitz | but they're patched upstream, then integrated | Oct 27 18:41 |
| schestowitz | FAR more difficult when you fuse together bits of nonfree software | Oct 27 18:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, reusing a library that gets fixed is better than having dlls all over the place where you don't know what you've got. | Oct 27 18:42 |
| schestowitz | like all sorts of unlabeled BSD code | Oct 27 18:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And that was a problem on Windows 20 years ago and it's worse now. | Oct 27 18:42 |
| schestowitz | with lots of hacks and bugs in it | Oct 27 18:42 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: worse | Oct 27 18:42 |
| schestowitz | not just CVE issue | Oct 27 18:42 |
| schestowitz | also integrity | Oct 27 18:42 |
| schestowitz | this is why Windows Vista 10 keeps breaking down | Oct 27 18:42 |
| schestowitz | not enough maintainers for pertinent packages... they hardly even have packages... it's kludge | Oct 27 18:43 |
| schestowitz | you change one thing, another silently breaks | Oct 27 18:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, and Firefox CVEs are sometimes trying to block the browser from being tricked into loading a malicious dll and it's not really a bug in Firefox. It's preventing the way Windows works from working, and then Microsoft says Firefox has more bugs. | Oct 27 18:43 |
| schestowitz | so they cannot even fix critical sec issues without deleting your files or something | Oct 27 18:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So this whole signing thing is because anyone could otherwise toss anything they want in the right place and Firefox would load it in Windows. | Oct 27 18:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not just add-ons, malicious dll code injections that would otherwise bypass the signature check on the add-ons. | Oct 27 18:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's never been a huge problem in Linux distributions because of centralized application sources instead of random EXEs off the internet. And Microsoft managed to blow it big time with the Windows store to where developers are either ignoring it or giving it a degraded experience. | Oct 27 18:45 |
| schestowitz | give them time | Oct 27 18:46 |
| schestowitz | I see the numbers there are pathetic | Oct 27 18:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I stumbled into someone complaining about outdated versions of foobar2000 in the Windows store, the thing that lets you host Win32 API apps in there. | Oct 27 18:46 |
| schestowitz | and Windows will ebb away | Oct 27 18:46 |
| schestowitz | I think they also give it away for free now | Oct 27 18:46 |
| schestowitz | the 'cash cow' in Windows is just leveraging it as common carrier | Oct 27 18:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The developer said he has to be very sure that it's a stable release because they don't allow him to back it out with an older version if necessary, and then there are "approval" delays. | Oct 27 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Windows->Edge -> Clown Computing of Microsoft | Oct 27 18:46 |
| schestowitz | they try to upsell | Oct 27 18:46 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: use audacious instead | Oct 27 18:47 |
| schestowitz | oops | Oct 27 18:48 |
| schestowitz | I mean now that https://audacious-media-player.org/download | Oct 27 18:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-audacious-media-player.org | Audacious - An Advanced Audio Player | Oct 27 18:48 | |
| schestowitz | I meant Audacity | Oct 27 18:48 |
| schestowitz | *not that | Oct 27 18:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They really should support WavPack better than they do. | Oct 27 18:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean, I don't get it. It's BSD licensed and it's over 20 years old so there's no patent problems, even in theory. | Oct 27 18:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I've been working on the furniture situation. | Oct 27 18:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I went to IKEA while my mom was in town. We drove down to eat at a Korean restaurant and IKEA was nearby and I had an empty trunk anyway. So I grabbed a kitchen table and 4 chairs for $129. Not bad. It was really crowded in there though. | Oct 27 18:52 |
| schestowitz | people still invest in TV and sofa? | Oct 27 18:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Everyone was wearing their masks properly though. | Oct 27 18:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Mom saved my TV and stereo when I grabbed them from Fox Lake last year. | Oct 27 18:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I don't really have to buy anything except a new TV stand for the TV. | Oct 27 18:52 |
| schestowitz | my stereo is 25 years old | Oct 27 18:52 |
| schestowitz | tuner and aux still work ok | Oct 27 18:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Waukegan is a pretty cheap place to live, but those corporate type landlords are sons of bitches. | Oct 27 18:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Call the cops because you asked for an apartment. Jesus. | Oct 27 18:53 |
| schestowitz | indeed. | Oct 27 18:54 |
| schestowitz | sounds like misuse of police line | Oct 27 18:54 |
| schestowitz | put them on warning | Oct 27 18:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The police haven't done anything with it, although I alerted my attorney to ask him if we have a problem here. | Oct 27 18:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He said almost certainly not. They're obligated to take reports even if it wastes their time and they don't want to do anything with it. | Oct 27 18:55 |
| schestowitz | wth is this?! https://www.bullsource.com/2020/10/27/how-to-makeogi-gnome-problems-a-thing-of-the-past-by-alexey-khobot/ | Oct 27 19:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bullsource.com | How to Makeogi Gnome Problems a Thing of the Past by Alexey Khobot โ Bull Source | Oct 27 19:02 | |
| MinceR | https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/07/03/d2deb66d4437985d.jpg | Oct 27 19:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Vogon poetry. | Oct 27 19:06 |
| XRevan86 | From mister Trunk | Oct 27 19:06 |
| XRevan86 | > There are lots of alternative tweaks you can do with Gnome Panel in GIMP | Oct 27 19:07 |
| XRevan86 | Draw yourself a better desktop environment. | Oct 27 19:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The image is suitable as a summary of the article, at least. | Oct 27 19:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We're back to timesharing on mainframes, but they like to call it cloud again. | Oct 27 19:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Personal Computing" is "dead" in the sense that people are supposed to buy ever more powerful hardware. Now they just stream. Video games too. | Oct 27 19:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Makes sense in some contexts I guess. You can do more on a remote system that's heavily optimized for such a task and stream it to a cheap computer that only has to display it, as long as you have sufficient bandwidth to display the streamed result and low enough lag times where input isn't an issue. | Oct 27 19:10 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: what breed of dawg is dis? | Oct 27 19:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I noticed that a lot of games have a bathroom that you can go into. | Oct 27 19:16 |
| schestowitz | akitafox browser? | Oct 27 19:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It doesn't add anything to the game, but it obviously cost some developer time. | Oct 27 19:17 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: none, it's a red fox | Oct 27 19:17 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Oct 27 19:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In Mission Impossible for the N64, the bathroom isn't totally useless. You have to wait for the guy to go in it so you can shoot him or something, | Oct 27 19:17 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: it adds verisimilitude | Oct 27 19:17 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they like small cats and rodents | Oct 27 19:17 |
| MinceR | in doom3 bfg edition, there's often useful items in bathrooms | Oct 27 19:18 |
| schestowitz | meds | Oct 27 19:18 |
| MinceR | armor too | Oct 27 19:18 |
| schestowitz | shards as quake calls em | Oct 27 19:20 |
| MinceR | shards or whole suits | Oct 27 19:20 |
| schestowitz | https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/17752bd4-81e3-4e9b-b9a4-0b115e9bf6bd | Oct 27 19:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-getyarn.io | Yarn | The whole robe. ~ Smallfoot | Video clips by quotes, clip | 17752bd4-81e3-4e9b-b9a4-0b115e9bf6bd | ็ด | Oct 27 19:21 | |
| schestowitz | we watched it twice on the boat | Oct 27 19:22 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Snap speed improvements with new compression algorithm! โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/14372 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f4820737-abc0-4b70-aada-e5a61f90ad93] | Oct 27 19:32 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhCKs7DDePM | Oct 27 19:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Making Of The N64 Classic GoldenEye | A 90s Gaming Masterpiece - YouTube | Oct 27 19:32 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | They did even better with Perfect Dark, but that used the expansion pak. | Oct 27 19:32 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: F(x)tec Pro1-X is a phone that ships with Linux or Android http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143705#comment-26890 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6857bf5c-6e5f-42c7-8834-2dc8bfbc194c] | Oct 27 19:38 | |
| MinceR | (cat) https://hugelolcdn.com/i/699312.jpg | Oct 27 19:40 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Cosmo Communicatorโs Linux OS gains new cover screen features โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143725 [https://pleroma.site/objects/79969473-686c-4231-b51a-29daec73e0e8] | Oct 27 19:45 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: This keyboard phone runs three operating systems, including Android http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143705#comment-26891 [https://pleroma.site/objects/153c1bf9-d9cd-4e0f-8ab4-b94a520b24e4] | Oct 27 19:49 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: todayโs howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143726 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b464e330-0797-4295-85fe-21482b162d6e] | Oct 27 19:53 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Chemtool: Open-source Chemical Structure drawing program โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143727 โขโโข #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #News [https://pleroma.site/objects/6cb39f35-1cab-4be3-8e77-4f5d064f304d] | Oct 27 20:02 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Python Programming โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143728 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2ad1a465-598d-4f1e-91bd-124987bf4551] | Oct 27 20:06 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: NixOS 20.09 released โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143729 [https://pleroma.site/objects/96d88e7c-ce6f-4c98-94ba-39447d28440f] | Oct 27 20:11 | |
| smnthermes | > viera wrote: | Oct 27 20:11 |
| smnthermes | > [notice] Tux Machines: โThe transition to #Wayland is taking far longer than it should, and a lot of important software simply isnโt ready yet.โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143627#comment-26873 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3d87ef12-5204-4800-9b5d-f5b3f5cbb83b] | Oct 27 20:11 |
| smnthermes | I hope RHEL doesn't deprecate X11 before WL becoming mature, like they did with GTK2 | Oct 27 20:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | It's Time To Admit It: The X.Org Server Is Abandonware | Tux Machines | Oct 27 20:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Oct 27 20:11 | |
| MinceR | as long as it's in hedrat's hands, WL will never become mature | Oct 27 20:12 |
| MinceR | and they'll just keep on pretending that it is | Oct 27 20:12 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu Groovy Gorilla adds Raspberry Pi as a โfirst class citizenโ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143510#comment-26892 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ed76dd21-faf3-4d0d-9568-eb461d640004] | Oct 27 20:20 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Canonicalโs Snap Packaging Switching To LZO Compression For Faster Startup Times http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143724#comment-26893 [https://pleroma.site/objects/969278e3-e58c-46e6-8a3c-daf8b11612c9] | Oct 27 20:23 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux 5.10 Released: Bigger Kernel Release Than Expected http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143644#comment-26894 [https://pleroma.site/objects/30467e79-c42b-4963-8686-9eec2dda7d56] | Oct 27 20:24 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I agree | Oct 27 20:32 |
| schestowitz | and what's the actual benefit | Oct 27 20:32 |
| schestowitz | like, if I move to it? | Oct 27 20:32 |
| schestowitz | almost nothing | Oct 27 20:32 |
| schestowitz | just potential issues | Oct 27 20:32 |
| schestowitz | like PA and systemDork | Oct 27 20:32 |
| MinceR | the benefit is for proprietarydesktop and ibm, not you | Oct 27 20:33 |
| schestowitz | seemed to me more like power grab than anything else | Oct 27 20:33 |
| schestowitz | abolishing dev communities | Oct 27 20:33 |
| schestowitz | so that only one or two corporations control where things are headed | Oct 27 20:33 |
| schestowitz | for "unified" experience | Oct 27 20:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "(Then again, that coming from an Intel Linux developer isn't too surprising considering it's been more than six years since the last xf86-video-intel DDX release.)" | Oct 27 20:34 |
| MinceR | it is natural though | Oct 27 20:34 |
| MinceR | since nobody understands the X11 code anymore, it can't be maintained | Oct 27 20:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, so distributions pull it straight out of git, even for LTS, so that it works at all. | Oct 27 20:34 |
| MinceR | so they copied their favorite trash as a "replacement" | Oct 27 20:34 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Flatkill and Latest Security Patches โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143730 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4ee2b763-17d0-41c8-8d64-de13ebb62498] | Oct 27 20:35 | |
| schestowitz | smnthermes: also yum and dnf, flatfak | Oct 27 20:36 |
| schestowitz | case above re flatkill | Oct 27 20:36 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Programming Leftovers โข ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ธ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ โ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143731 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8df99247-b6a1-4009-af28-c5f6debb5100] | Oct 27 20:43 | |
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| schestowitz | Ariadne: looks like viera did not recover from netsplit | Oct 27 21:14 |
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| Ariadne | ok | Oct 27 21:37 |
| schestowitz | question, all: | Oct 27 21:37 |
| schestowitz | is it worth making a text-only (plain) for techrights? | Oct 27 21:37 |
| schestowitz | there are some tools that can help like https://raymii.org/s/software/totext.py-Convert_URL_or_RSS_feed_to_plaintext_with_readability.html | Oct 27 21:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-totext.py - Convert URL or RSS feed to text with readability - Raymii.org | Oct 27 21:38 | |
| schestowitz | "My usecase is twofold. One is to convert RSS feeds to a Gopher site, the second is to get full text in my RSS reader." | Oct 27 21:38 |
| schestowitz | another route towars gopher | Oct 27 21:39 |
| schestowitz | https://raymii.org/s/blog/Site_updates_raymii.org_now_on_gopher.html | Oct 27 21:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Site updates, raymii.org now also available on Gopher - Raymii.org | Oct 27 21:40 | |
| schestowitz | looking for cms to convert rss to plain text | Oct 27 21:50 |
| schestowitz | if such a thing exists | Oct 27 21:50 |
| schestowitz | npr has a text only or simple html site for eu audiences | Oct 27 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: thanks! | Oct 27 21:52 |
| schestowitz | 2005: https://lifehacker.com/convert-a-website-to-plain-text-127697 | Oct 27 22:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lifehacker.com | Convert a Website to Plain Text | Oct 27 22:05 | |
| schestowitz | really terrible http://www.theplaceforitall.com/ipodulator/ | Oct 27 22:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theplaceforitall.com | iPodulator: Create iPod-compatible Reading | Oct 27 22:06 | |
| schestowitz | not even remotely readable | Oct 27 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | https://raymii.org/s/articles/Tiny-Tiny-RSS-Readability-plaintext.html | Oct 27 22:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tiny Tiny RSS + Readability == The best way to read RSS feeds - Raymii.org | Oct 27 22:30 | |
| schestowitz | his script is broken on debian | Oct 27 22:30 |
| schestowitz | python incompatibilities in upstream packages :/ | Oct 27 22:30 |
| XRevan86 | Where's the script? | Oct 27 22:31 |
| schestowitz | shithub | Oct 27 22:33 |
| schestowitz | with copy here: https://raymii.org/s/software/totext.py-Convert_URL_or_RSS_feed_to_plaintext_with_readability.html | Oct 27 22:34 |
| schestowitz | it makes extensive use of some python libs | Oct 27 22:34 |
| schestowitz | with python3 I can get it to run, but it lacks a module | Oct 27 22:34 |
| schestowitz | it's quite a clusterfck | Oct 27 22:34 |
| schestowitz | pip will let you add modules | Oct 27 22:35 |
| schestowitz | but they're there for python2 | Oct 27 22:35 |
| schestowitz | python3 totext.py --rss --url https://raymii.org/s/feed.xml | Oct 27 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Traceback (most recent call last): | Oct 27 22:35 |
| schestowitz | File "totext.py", line 8, in <module> | Oct 27 22:35 |
| schestowitz | from readability import Document | Oct 27 22:35 |
| schestowitz | ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'readability' | Oct 27 22:35 |
| schestowitz | $ python2 totext.py --rss --url https://raymii.org/s/feed.xml | Oct 27 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Traceback (most recent call last): | Oct 27 22:35 |
| XRevan86 | It's explicitly Python2 and explicitly abandoned. | Oct 27 22:35 |
| schestowitz | .... | Oct 27 22:35 |
| schestowitz | new_pieces[1] = f'{url_pieces.hostname}:{url_pieces.port}' | Oct 27 22:36 |
| schestowitz | ^ | Oct 27 22:36 |
| XRevan86 | "readability" does support Python3. | Oct 27 22:36 |
| schestowitz | python --version | Oct 27 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Python 2.7.16 | Oct 27 22:36 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: And that's an f-string, introduced in Python 3.6. | Oct 27 22:37 |
| schestowitz | python3 --version | Oct 27 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Python 3.7.3 | Oct 27 22:37 |
| schestowitz | the joys of having systems with two versions of the 'same' thing | Oct 27 22:37 |
| schestowitz | can I use pip to add the missing bit to python3? | Oct 27 22:37 |
| schestowitz | I just want to make a plain text version of techrights | Oct 27 22:38 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Yes. I'd recommend doing that in venv (virtualenv). | Oct 27 22:38 |
| schestowitz | one hopping point before gopherD | Oct 27 22:38 |
| schestowitz | let me try.. | Oct 27 22:39 |
| schestowitz | pip install langdata | Oct 27 22:41 |
| schestowitz | Collecting langdata | Oct 27 22:41 |
| schestowitz | Could not install packages due to an EnvironmentError: 404 Client Error: Not Found for url: https://pypi.org/simple/langdata/ | Oct 27 22:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://pypi.org/simple/langdata/ ) | Oct 27 22:41 | |
| schestowitz | I am starting to dislike this python spilt | Oct 27 22:41 |
| schestowitz | too many 'pythons' | Oct 27 22:41 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Python2 wa mou shindeiru | Oct 27 22:44 |
| schestowitz | ? | Oct 27 22:45 |
| XRevan86 | Python2 is already dead :) | Oct 27 22:45 |
| schestowitz | not for code written to use it | Oct 27 22:46 |
| schestowitz | and not maintained no more... | Oct 27 22:46 |
| XRevan86 | True, but we're at the point when that code just shouldn't be used, at least unless there's a plan to move to Python3. | Oct 27 22:46 |
| schestowitz | still looking for workarounds, viera is down anyway, so I'm not posting. I assume Ariadne is away from main pc/afk atm | Oct 27 22:54 |
| schestowitz | File "totext.py", line 8, in <module> | Oct 27 22:55 |
| schestowitz | from readability import Document | Oct 27 22:55 |
| schestowitz | ImportError: cannot import name Document | Oct 27 22:55 |
| schestowitz | I will try from a ubuntu instance | Oct 27 22:58 |
| schestowitz | the culprit is " | Oct 27 23:03 |
| schestowitz | import lxml | Oct 27 23:03 |
| schestowitz | from readability import Document | Oct 27 23:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 27 23:03 |
| schestowitz | it cannot fine langdata in there | Oct 27 23:04 |
| schestowitz | so clearly some version anomaly issues somewhere | Oct 27 23:04 |
| XRevan86 | langdata is not pip | Oct 27 23:04 |
| schestowitz | seems like part of readability | Oct 27 23:04 |
| schestowitz | I was willing to edit this python program, but not modules upwards | Oct 27 23:04 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: No mention of langdata in the readability sources. | Oct 27 23:05 |
| XRevan86 | ah, langdata.py %) | Oct 27 23:05 |
| schestowitz | I'll try https://pypi.org/project/html2text/ | Oct 27 23:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pypi.org | html2text ยท PyPI | Oct 27 23:06 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Clearly the readability's API changed. | Oct 27 23:06 |
| XRevan86 | Since there's no Document in there. | Oct 27 23:06 |
| schestowitz | the output is kind of shitty | Oct 27 23:08 |
| schestowitz | for pages I try on from techrights | Oct 27 23:08 |
| schestowitz | but I can pre-process it a bit | Oct 27 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | it's markup-ish | Oct 27 23:11 |
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| schestowitz | does nothing with links | Oct 27 23:11 |
| schestowitz | which might be ok for super-minimalism | Oct 27 23:12 |
| schestowitz | it just 'underlines' the text of link anchors | Oct 27 23:13 |
| schestowitz | with literal underscores | Oct 27 23:14 |
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| schestowitz | awk '/*/ {p=1}; p==1 {print}' index.html.4 | awk '{print; if (match($0,"โ")) exit}' | Oct 27 23:49 |
| schestowitz | that ought to reduce a given page into plain HTML with no links | Oct 27 23:50 |
| schestowitz | I need to write the uploader | Oct 27 23:51 |
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