●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Friday, November 27, 2020 ●●

● Nov 27
[00:00]	schestowitz	thanks for the details
[00:00]	schestowitz	ok, I made some more corrections
[00:01]	schestowitz	someone has just sent me a cartton
[00:01]	schestowitz	*toon
[00:01]	schestowitz	EPO
[00:01]	schestowitz	btw, we've put a bid on a house today
[00:02]	schestowitz	the one next door went on sale
[00:02]	schestowitz	seems that many chinese buy lots of houses around here
[00:02]	schestowitz	driving up the prices
[00:04]	DaemonFC[m]	That's what made old hardware so awesome. Nothing was really abstracted too much.
[00:07]	DaemonFC[m]	Careful Roy, you're sounding awfully white and nationalist.
[00:07]	DaemonFC[m]	Boris and Brexit support incoming. (j/k)
[00:07]	schestowitz	this is not a new thing
[00:08]	schestowitz	anyway, price rose a lot over the past decade
[00:08]	DaemonFC[m]	No it isn't. I realize Mandy came here as a foreign student.
[00:08]	schestowitz	corona only slows down price growth in flats near office
[00:08]	schestowitz	people no longer need to live next to the office
[00:08]	DaemonFC[m]	And I'm glad he did because I wouldn't have met him and would never have been able to get a fiance visa from State Dept.
[00:08]	schestowitz	so they explore places away from crowded office spaces
[00:09]	DaemonFC[m]	But now that we are married, there's not a damned thing the federal government can do really.
[00:09]	schestowitz	just make sure he gets no criminal record
[00:09]	schestowitz	and then he should be ok
[00:09]	DaemonFC[m]	And with Biden in office, they'll stop trying to make doing anything an uphill battle because they otherwise can't win.
[00:09]	schestowitz	working also helps
[00:10]	DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, we already cleared the income requirements for the year, and if they delay through next year, even better.
[00:10]	schestowitz	people more law-abiding and productive than so-called locals are impossible to evict
[00:10]	schestowitz	no rationale to
[00:10]	DaemonFC[m]	I can project his income for a 12 month basis using 6 months of paystubs and use that in the "annual income", so if they call us in next year, that's what I will do, and attach them as proof.
[00:10]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: Avoiding a conviction really helped get this place.
[00:11]	DaemonFC[m]	Nothing came up when they did a criminal check through Transunion.
[00:11]	DaemonFC[m]	I'm glad I took the plea deal.
[00:11]	schestowitz	ok
[00:11]	DaemonFC[m]	I had a 90% chance of it being so much worse if I persisted.
[00:11]	schestowitz	seems like you brandished a knife
[00:11]	schestowitz	but hurt nobody at the end
[00:11]	DaemonFC[m]	Immigration isn't really looking at me though.
[00:11]	schestowitz	they look for two thinbgs
[00:12]	schestowitz	self-sufficiency
[00:12]	schestowitz	law-abiding persons
[00:12]	DaemonFC[m]	They say that. I had a fishing knife because I was fishing, on my deck, earlier.
[00:12]	schestowitz	the income requirements are just a bonus
[00:12]	DaemonFC[m]	So it was easy for John and Luis to say "He pulled it out and was waving it around." because why not.
[00:12]	schestowitz	 "He pulled it out and was waving it around." 
[00:12]	schestowitz	they wish
[00:12]	schestowitz	too many pr0n movies
[00:12]	DaemonFC[m]	Just makes me sound worse and makes it more likely the cops get rid of me. 
[00:13]	schestowitz	and in John's case illegal ones
[00:13]	schestowitz	TSA never even RESPONDED to me
[00:13]	schestowitz	they're OK employing pedophiles and perverts
[00:13]	DaemonFC[m]	I agree that I committed a Class C Misdemeanor of creating a public nuisance.
[00:14]	DaemonFC[m]	So I told them I won't confess to anything more than that, and I want supervision.
[00:14]	DaemonFC[m]	Of course they never responded.
[00:14]	DaemonFC[m]	I'm assuming he's still got an income.
[00:15]	schestowitz	no planes, passengers
[00:15]	DaemonFC[m]	I keep getting receipts about him paying the Kia bills, but the account went to the bankruptcy department so they forced him to pay an extra $10 a month to wire them the money for the remaining 50 installments. 
[00:16]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: I think he's on unemployment. 
[00:16]	schestowitz	for now
[00:16]	DaemonFC[m]	There's no way he had enough seniority to avoid the layoffs.
[00:17]	DaemonFC[m]	There's people who have been there for 19 years. He's been there for 2.
[00:17]	schestowitz	I bet he misses groping people
[00:17]	DaemonFC[m]	85% collapse in air travel, airlines sacking people....
[00:17]	DaemonFC[m]	No way he's still working there.
[00:17]	schestowitz	airports don't exist to us anymore
[00:17]	schestowitz	except emergency travel
[00:18]	schestowitz	people assume the airports are covid hubs with hazmat suits and quarantine rooms
[00:18]	DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, I've been on a plane 4 times (two round trips).
[00:18]	DaemonFC[m]	Got sick both times, after getting back.
[00:18]	schestowitz	I hope not to fly for a decade
[00:18]	schestowitz	last time I flew was 23 months ago
[00:18]	schestowitz	to berlin
[00:18]	schestowitz	don't miss the thing
[00:18]	DaemonFC[m]	Now if that was the flu, imagine how contagious COVID-19 is on an airplane, especially when they admit that they went back to cleaning them one time a day.
[00:19]	schestowitz	horrible experience on the way back, massive delays, no place to even sit at the airport
[00:19]	schestowitz	'airport'
[00:19]	schestowitz	interim piece of junk
[00:19]	DaemonFC[m]	It's recycled air more than surfaces at that point, but the fact is that the surfaces aren't even being cleaned much.
[00:19]	DaemonFC[m]	So you have that on top of it.
[00:20]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: I prefer taking a bus or train, myself.
[00:20]	DaemonFC[m]	I get a big discount on Amtrak.
[00:20]	schestowitz	people not need to warm up cars
[00:20]	schestowitz	to exercise engine cycles
[00:20]	schestowitz	and to keep the battery not empty
[00:20]	DaemonFC[m]	Well, one break I've been getting is low gas prices.
[00:20]	schestowitz	many here have cars they have nowhere to drive with
[00:21]	schestowitz	so they just burn petrol to prevent or reduce long-term damage
[00:21]	schestowitz	or drive nowhere for no reason
[00:21]	DaemonFC[m]	Oil is collapsing and now that we have the return of better environmental regs coming, it's clear that oil is in permanent decline as an investment.
[00:21]	DaemonFC[m]	So the price is not going to rebound.
[00:21]	schestowitz	gas prices low... because you don't need gas
[00:21]	schestowitz	supply/demand
[00:21]	DaemonFC[m]	With more fleet turnover, more of them will get better gas mileage or be all electric.
[00:21]	schestowitz	prices of things are low when people don't need them or few bother
[00:21]	DaemonFC[m]	Then demand goes down.
[00:23]	schestowitz	people now look for homes
[00:23]	schestowitz	that have good working spaces
[00:23]	schestowitz	as they don't leave them much
[00:23]	schestowitz	like people who only go home to sleep
[00:23]	schestowitz	or used to have no pets
[00:23]	schestowitz	due to office time
[00:23]	schestowitz	people adapt
[00:24]	schestowitz	many move to smaller places they can afford
[00:24]	schestowitz	some need bigger spaces
[00:24]	schestowitz	as kids and parents stay home to work
[00:24]	schestowitz	tomorrow we'll see how our big fares
[00:24]	schestowitz	we plan to retire far from here
[00:24]		*schestowitz been in Manchester 20+ years
[00:25]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: I'm glad for a one bedroom apartment. 4 times as much space at that hotel.
[00:25]	DaemonFC[m]	They had everything set up for space saving, but come on.
[00:26]	schestowitz	quicker to cleaan
[00:26]	schestowitz	at high standards
[00:26]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: I'm still convinced that Black Friday isn't the only reason Lenovo is discounting these brand new laptops with all the latest components so much.
[00:26]	schestowitz	hotels are not homes
[00:26]	schestowitz	and they're made accordingly
[00:26]	DaemonFC[m]	They've never knocked nearly $600 off one right off the bat.
[00:26]	schestowitz	usually no proper kitchen if any
[00:26]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: maybe they have overstocked
[00:27]	schestowitz	when lockdowns began many bought laptop
[00:27]	schestowitz	as the ones at work were not available
[00:27]	DaemonFC[m]	Other OEMs are only taking things down $200-300 off their usual price. 
[00:27]	schestowitz	some were stationary
[00:27]	schestowitz	and now demand can flatted or fall off
[00:27]	schestowitz	same for home furnishing btw
[00:27]	schestowitz	we got two new ergonomic chairs
[00:27]	schestowitz	due to a blunder we got both for free
[00:28]	DaemonFC[m]	Microsoft has not discounted the Surface very much, and frankly I don't think it's a great laptop in the first place.
[00:28]	schestowitz	saved like 500 pounds!
[00:28]	DaemonFC[m]	It's another one of those "You pay a lot because ooh ahhh touch screen you barely use and high res that nothing performs well and some things look bad on.".
[00:28]	DaemonFC[m]	They skimp elsewhere, where it really matters.
[00:28]		*schestowitz generates irc logs
[00:29]	DaemonFC[m]	They're paying reviewers to pimp them out and it's not a well balanced machine. 
[00:29]	DaemonFC[m]	I think they could be a lot better with the Iris Xe graphics, but they're all using the last gen stuff that's only half as fast. 
[00:29]	DaemonFC[m]	And I got bitten by that 4K touchscreen without a GPU that can run it well bullshit last time.
[00:30]	DaemonFC[m]	Not as bad as the first batch of Yoga 900s that had the 26% slower graphics.
[00:30]	schestowitz	Generating text bulletins (it can take a minute) at 5AM
[00:30]	DaemonFC[m]	But the Iris 540 still didn't run things well.
[00:30]	DaemonFC[m]	Intel's new driver is a lot better, even on Gen9 graphics.
[00:30]	DaemonFC[m]	Which is as old as they bothered to support with the Iris driver. 
[00:31]	DaemonFC[m]	The Iris driver was really done up because of the upcoming Gen12 stuff.
[00:31]	DaemonFC[m]	It just happened that the last few iterations were similar enough to it to support without writing a bunch of code just for that. 
[00:32]	DaemonFC[m]	So anything older than Skylake, you're stuck with their crappy Classic Mesa driver.
[00:32]	DaemonFC[m]	I'm hoping they cleaned up some of their processor bugs correctly.
[00:35]	DaemonFC[m]	I don't believe that Tiger Lake needs KPTI.
[00:40]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.techradar.com/news/intel-tiger-lake-processors-will-thwart-future-spectre-and-meltdown-attacks
[00:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel Tiger Lake processors will thwart future Spectre and Meltdown attacks | TechRadar
[00:45]	schestowitz	lol
[00:45]	schestowitz	f off , intel
[00:45]	schestowitz	and techradar too
[00:45]	schestowitz	jokester joke
[00:46]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2020/10/22/techradar-misinformation/
[00:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | TechRadar is an Irresponsible Clickbait and Misinformation Site Disguised as News | Techrights
[00:46]	schestowitz	Intel: buy us... because we're good at solving problems we create
[00:46]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.msn.com/en-in/money/technology/microsoft-edge-will-now-offer-inbuilt-price-comparison-screenshot-and-video-calling-tools/ar-BB19Rzb2
[00:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.msn.com | Microsoft Edge Will Now Offer Inbuilt Price Comparison, Screenshot and Video Calling Tools
[00:47]	DaemonFC[m]	So Edge has some "price comparison thing" now. Guessing that they make money off it.
[00:47]	DaemonFC[m]	Seems like several banks are doing that too, and applying coupon codes automatically.
[00:47]	DaemonFC[m]	Good way to harvest your data.
[00:48]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: I signed into my Lenovo account to buy that thing because they said they'd give me $58 to use in their store as "rewards".
[00:48]	DaemonFC[m]	So I'll probably go back and grab a bluetooth mouse and a laptop bag.
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[00:54]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat/Fedora: Cockpit, WHO, DarwinAI and Emmanuel Bernard. su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144807 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ace55f09-1718-4184-a002-847a0d621d7b]
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[00:57]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: why do you buy all those things?
[00:57]	schestowitz	also, what do you do with your machines anyway?
[00:57]	schestowitz	pet shop boys?
● Nov 27
[01:11]	oiaohm	DaemonFC[m]: that inbuilt price comparison does provide a lot of extra meta data.
[01:13]	oiaohm	DaemonFC[m]:  "When you click 'compare price to other retailers,' you'll see a list of prices of that item across other retailers along with direct links to the pages so that you can quickly complete your purchase," <<  when user clicks on it means it is a product the user is intersted in and there has to be a search done somewhere.
[01:13]	oiaohm	That information could be highly useful for targeting advertisements and so on.
[01:24]	DaemonFC[m]	<schestowitz "also, what do you do with your m"> Steam games, browsing, etc. etc.
[01:25]	DaemonFC[m]	I'll probably grab The Witcher 3 after the new laptop arrives.
[01:25]	DaemonFC[m]	This one would probably run it at like 6 frames a second.
[01:29]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: I've just used mitigations=off to try to keep this laptop fast enough to tolerate.
[01:29]	DaemonFC[m]	That certainly makes it run faster, but it's not comparable to a new system. 
[01:30]	DaemonFC[m]	Google already has price comparison.
[01:30]	DaemonFC[m]	Credit card price protection used to be more of a thing, and I'd keep an eye on major purchases because it would say it was tracking them, but then it really was on you to find one.
[01:31]	DaemonFC[m]	Not surprising. It's not like they want to mail you checks for $100 here and $300 there.
[01:41]	DaemonFC[m]	https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/troubleshoot/windows-server/identity/syskey-exe-utility-is-no-longer-supported
[01:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-docs.microsoft.com | Syskey.exe utility is no longer supported - Windows Server | Microsoft Docs
[01:41]	DaemonFC[m]	Microsoft had to remove it because some ransomware was using it. 
[01:41]	DaemonFC[m]	That's funny.
[01:55]	DaemonFC[m]	Intel is pitching Machine Deep Learning instructions in their latest CPUs.
[01:56]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlJtohZSsfY
[01:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Terminator - Fuck You Asshole - YouTube
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[02:02]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJF9k1R0bPc
[02:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Terminator (1-6) ALL Future Wars Scenes | Epic & Fiction - YouTube
[02:03]	DaemonFC[m]	That Aliens game at Dave & Busters was fun.
[02:03]	DaemonFC[m]	I played it for a few hours before getting the high score. Got a major cramp in my arm though.
[02:04]	DaemonFC[m]	That was right before the Coronavirus. Glad we got a chance to do something outside the house before that hit.
[02:09]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roSTKPk_DP8
[02:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LGR - Deadly Tide - PC Game Review - YouTube
[02:10]	DaemonFC[m]	"It turns out the aliens aren't really doing much except raising the sea levels and not paying their cable bill, or something."
[02:10]	DaemonFC[m]	:)
[02:21]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.reddit.com/r/AMDLaptops/comments/j1zzbk/lenovo_announces_thinkbook_gen_2_laptop_lineup/
[02:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Lenovo announces ThinkBook Gen 2 laptop lineup with Intel Tiger Lake and AMD Ryzen 4000U processors : AMDLaptops
[02:22]	DaemonFC[m]	It looks like there's a Thinkbook 13 gen2 with a 4K display. Speculation is that they had a lot of leftover screens after a run of Macbooks and put that one in and that's why only the smallest screen option has that resolution.
[02:25]	oiaohm	DaemonFC[m]: horrible as it sounds apple orders custom batches of screens and other core parts and takes the lot.
[02:25]	oiaohm	That kind of screws third party repair.
[02:25]	DaemonFC[m]	I wouldn't really recommend lower or higher resolution than 1920x1080.
[02:26]	DaemonFC[m]	Lower is unpleasant, and higher and some applications just aren't built for it, it wastes power, and it doesn't perform well on integrated graphics
[02:26]	oiaohm	For a drawing  surface  13 inch 4k make sense.   But this is something your nose can be like 6 inchs off the screen.
[02:27]	DaemonFC[m]	Chromebooks get rid of the "Wouldn't that be nice?" stuff to hit $179.
[02:27]	DaemonFC[m]	And if you are only going to spend $179, hey at least it works, unlike those cheap Windows computers that are just terrible.
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[02:27]	DaemonFC[m]	But those TN display viewing angle problems are not nice.
[02:28]	DaemonFC[m]	And they don't do anti-glare coatings, so if you are outside or near a window on a sunny day you can't see shit on the display.
[02:28]	DaemonFC[m]	So IPS, anti-glare, and 1920 x 1080.
[02:28]	DaemonFC[m]	And from what I can tell, don't go lower than 250 nits.
[02:34]	oiaohm	DaemonFC[m]: for a laptop screen not going under 250nits makes sense.   https://store.huion.com/products/kamvas-pro-13   You will find a low of drawing tablets with intergrated screens down at 220nits.
[02:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-store.huion.com | Huion Official Store: Drawing Tablets, Pen Tablets, Pen Display, Led Light Pad
[02:34]	cybrNaut	AT&T, Dell, H&M, HP, Kellogg's, Mastercard, Microsoft, Pepsico, Prudential, Sony, US Bank, & Visa have made the "The 2020 Worlds Most Ethical Companies" list (https://web.archive.org/web/20201123080655/https://www.worldsmostethicalcompanies.com/honorees/) -- I'm so disgustingly revolted.  Some of those companies are ALEC members.
[02:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Honorees 2020 Ethisphere Institute | Good. Smart. Business. Profit.
[02:34]	MinceR	lol
[02:34]	oiaohm	DaemonFC[m]: distance to screen is a factor on how many nits are good/bad.
[02:35]	MinceR	i wonder what the actual criterion was -- paying the "institute" the most?
[02:36]	oiaohm	MinceR: Next question if it was a fair race you have to scary to think who the worst are.
[02:37]	DaemonFC[m]	And the world's most ethical companies are....drumroll.....a bag of patent trolls, big banks, and Microsoft. Oh what a surprise.
[02:37]	MinceR	i think it would be hard to beat microshit
[02:38]	DaemonFC[m]	For most ethical company ever?
[02:38]	MinceR	for least ethical company
[02:38]	DaemonFC[m]	With the EULA that's longer than the US Constitution detailing how their ad network can victimize you?
[02:40]	DaemonFC[m]	MinceR: I wonder how much bloatware the Thinkbook 15 gen2 comes with.
[02:41]	oiaohm	MinceR: https://theyesmen.org/project/gilda   its not really that hard to beat Microsoft.   There are companies that truly do justify mass murder as part of doing business.
[02:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theyesmen.org | Dow's Golden Skeleton | The Yes Men
[02:41]	DaemonFC[m]	MinceR: At one point there was this freeware program that was like, a bloatware advisor. 
[02:41]	DaemonFC[m]	It went down all the shovelware that OEMs usually installed and advised you on which ones to get rid of.
[02:41]	MinceR	oiaohm: and what have those companies done to the competition and the industry they plagued?
[02:41]	MinceR	DaemonFC[m]: nice
[02:42]	DaemonFC[m]	Usually when someone was complaining their computer was slow, one of the things I did was put that on it and go down the list prying them out one by one.
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[02:42]	DaemonFC[m]	MinceR: This time, Lenovo offered to SELL me bloatware
[02:43]	DaemonFC[m]	Some program Lenovo Performance something-or-other.
[02:43]	DaemonFC[m]	Each year you licensed it added $10 to the cost of the computer.
[02:43]	MinceR	:)
[02:43]	DaemonFC[m]	How many people are going to do that? I mean, really?
[02:43]	MinceR	probably lots
[02:44]	MinceR	oiaohm: ...and how many of them managed to nearly destroy an industry upon which most of our technology and society depends, and are still trying, and getting close to success? :>
[02:48]	oiaohm	MinceR: pharmaceutical industry has a few in that camp.  Same with in your chemical sprays and so on.
[02:48]	oiaohm	These ones have directly killed people.
[02:49]	oiaohm	Some of the worst have in fact being caught  mercenaries to kill CEOs of competing companies in their markets.
[02:50]	oiaohm	MinceR: Please note I am not saying Microsoft good.   But the worst of the worst if they enter the software industry it would be a true blood bath.
[02:51]	MinceR	noted
[02:51]	MinceR	it's not easy to compare killing individuals to destroying the future of the species :>
[02:54]	MinceR	maybe it will happen the other way around, if the redmond mafia manages to get into self-driving cars and/or implants
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[03:03]	XRevan86	https://downloadram.net/ is for free
[03:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Download more RAM - Free Download RAM - DownloadRAM.Net
[03:04]	XRevan86	No need to pay for Lenovo Performance
[03:04]	MinceR	so's http://downloadmoreghz.com/
[03:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-downloadmoreghz.com | Download More GHz - Free Processor Speed Upgrade!
[03:06]	DaemonFC[m]	MinceR: What would such an application even do?
[03:07]	DaemonFC[m]	Probably trim the ssd and clean up a bunch of junk Windows leaves everywhere.
[03:07]	DaemonFC[m]	In the back it's probably just a cmdlet to hit defrag /trim and hit all the buttons in cleanmgr.
[03:07]	DaemonFC[m]	They can get idiots to pay $50 for it as "performance" software from Lenovo.
[03:09]	MinceR	unlock hardware features they locked down so they could squeeze extra money out of the user :>
[03:09]	MinceR	or driver features
[03:13]	DaemonFC[m]	Why does everyone have trouble getting laptop fingerprint sensors to work with Linux.
[03:14]	DaemonFC[m]	Also, does KDE even support those at all, or GNOME even?
[03:14]	MinceR	dunno, i don't use biometric authentication, as it's mostly (or entirely) security theater
[03:15]	DaemonFC[m]	mkfs.btrfs
[03:15]	MinceR	fingerprints are probably the worst
[03:15]	DaemonFC[m]	Also known as Windows Goodbye.
[03:15]	MinceR	low amount of information and you leave them pretty much everything you touch
[03:15]	MinceR	:>
[03:16]	oiaohm	MinceR: self driving electric cars could start harming the incomes of some of the worst in the oil industry that might then see the more interested in companies like Microsoft. 
[03:16]	oiaohm	So the blood bath may truly come at some point from out of the shadows where it normally gets ingored.
[03:17]	DaemonFC[m]	ThinkBook 14 Gen 2 ITL/15 Gen 2 ITL systems
[03:17]	DaemonFC[m]	Lenovo certified for Ubuntu 20.04 LTS.
[03:17]	DaemonFC[m]	Well, it sure beats a kick in the ass, as my dad would say.
[03:18]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: Figure they really have changed?
[03:19]	DaemonFC[m]	I mean, it's nice that they give a recommended distribution that should work and don't do anything to stop you. That's a step in the right direction.
[03:20]	DaemonFC[m]	I assume that since they don't mention Intel Tiger Lake or AMD Ryzen that they mean either way...
[03:20]	DaemonFC[m]	Lenovo Certified usually does mean everything, hardware, should work. So if it has a fingerprint sensor and they say Ubuntu 20.04....
[03:21]	DaemonFC[m]	It's pretty perverse that they run their best deals on the ones with Windows and then leave it to the customer to figure out how to get rid of it.
[03:28]	DaemonFC[m]	I think the only argument for GNOME is that's the configuration with 5 years of support from Canonical.
[03:28]	DaemonFC[m]	The other LTS releases get 3.
[03:29]	MinceR	5 years of "gee, we don't know. go ask IBM"? :>
[03:44]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: Somewhere along the way, Microsoft changed AllowTelemetry to treat "0" or "Security only" as "1" or the Basic level, on all SKUs except Enterprise, Education, and IoT.
[03:45]	DaemonFC[m]	So that registry bit to disable telemetry actually only sets it to Basic on S, Home, and Professional.
[03:45]	DaemonFC[m]	Seems you actually have to go disable the Telemetry service itself to turn it off.
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[04:48]	oiaohm	MinceR  destroying the future of the species <<  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster   pharmaceutical industry and chemical companies when you start digging they have made many attempts at ending the future of at least some of our species
[04:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Bhopal disaster - Wikipedia
[04:49]	oiaohm	Microsoft is not good.   But the worst are directly linkable to deaths and indirectly doing stuff to kill a lot more.
[04:50]	oiaohm	Of course Bill Gates has tried to get into some of those industries 
[04:57]	DaemonFC[m]	Their strategy to "kill" Linux this time seems to be dumping Windows 10.
[04:58]	DaemonFC[m]	Like literal dumping. Like, if they were a country they'd be taken to the WTO for countervailing.
[04:58]	DaemonFC[m]	Maybe. I remember the panic in the US, especially Indiana, when we were losing our television manufacturing industry to the Chinese.
[04:58]	DaemonFC[m]	They undercut you by selling at a loss, propped up by the government in that case.
[04:59]	DaemonFC[m]	And that's what Microsoft is doing. Windows has turned into a loss leader and they get money like Facebook does.
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[05:01]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: On hotels, the Candlewood Suites was very nice.
[05:01]	DaemonFC[m]	There was a guy who had lived there for like 5 years they said.
[05:02]	DaemonFC[m]	But he was one of those rich eccentric types, and if I had millions of dollars, being eccentric and living in a nice hotel would probably be something I'd do.
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[07:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Vivaldi Web Browser Now Has a Built-in Email Client - OMG! Ubuntu!
[07:47]	schestowitz	proprietary
[07:56]	schestowitz	cybrNaut: I remember those PR stunts
[07:57]	schestowitz	"Trump for blacks"
[07:57]	schestowitz	"Microsoft most ethical"
[07:58]	CrystalMath	 idk about Brave browser though
[07:58]	CrystalMath	is it good?
[07:58]	CrystalMath	i keep wondering about it
● Nov 27
[08:06]	vZS1	Biometric authentication belongs in the films. That's where it should stay.
[08:07]	schestowitz	but what about smart authentication with HEY HI?
[08:07]	vZS1	schestowitz: I tried accessing Twitter on Privacy Browser: "No longer support this browser".
[08:07]	schestowitz	I know
[08:07]	schestowitz	BTW
[08:07]	schestowitz	Dec 15
[08:07]	schestowitz	they cut us all off
[08:07]	schestowitz	Those who don't access it with JavaScript
[08:08]	CrystalMath	huh?
[08:08]	schestowitz	it has been possible all this time
[08:08]	CrystalMath	twitter?
[08:08]	CrystalMath	or what?
[08:08]	schestowitz	and that's why RMS told me (in person) he didn't completely object to Twitter
[08:08]	schestowitz	The whole of Twitter will cease to work
[08:08]	schestowitz	in 17 days
[08:08]	vZS1	Many websites require an "approved" browser
[08:08]	CrystalMath	what about nitter?
[08:08]	schestowitz	the "legacy" UI retired
[08:09]	schestowitz	nitter is read-only
[08:09]	CrystalMath	vZS1: i know! i have to make ELinks lie that it's firefox
[08:09]	vZS1	YouTube (for sign in), Discord, etc.
[08:09]	CrystalMath	there's also a command line twitter posting program
[08:09]	schestowitz	I lie to Twitter about my browser also 
[08:09]	schestowitz	otherwise they try running JS
[08:09]	CrystalMath	ttytter or something
[08:09]	schestowitz	maybe they'll block that to
[08:09]	schestowitz	*too
[08:09]	vZS1	All have the same list of "approved": IE, Edge, Chrome, Firefox, Opera.
[08:10]	schestowitz	those companies are not reliable, they retired third party APIs in August 2018
[08:10]	vZS1	So there's basically the list of spyware
[08:10]	vZS1	Good to know which browsers to avoid
[08:10]	schestowitz	social control media is bad in general
[08:10]	CrystalMath	it uses the API schestowitz 
[08:10]	vZS1	They make it so easy
[08:10]	schestowitz	and lots of it requires JS now
[08:10]	schestowitz	strictly even
[08:10]	vZS1	I don't use it so I wouldn't know
[08:11]	schestowitz	CrystalMath: still? for how much longer?
[08:11]	CrystalMath	well idk
[08:11]	CrystalMath	is twitter getting rid of the API?
[08:11]	schestowitz	I post [sic] to twitter through diaspora -- it exports everything to Twitter
[08:11]	vZS1	I've been using Palemoon, the last few days. I like it. I've been distributing the GNU/Linux builds on IPFS.
[08:11]	CrystalMath	tbh it's easier to write a client for modern websites
[08:11]	CrystalMath	stuff like slashdot is much harder :/
[08:12]	schestowitz	CrystalMath: they cut off many things 27 months ago
[08:12]	schestowitz	inc. a bot we used here to syndicate in IRC in real time
[08:12]	CrystalMath	modern websites are all nearly identical
[08:12]	schestowitz	(particular accounts)
[08:12]	vZS1	Can people comment on diaspora?
[08:12]	schestowitz	yes
[08:12]	schestowitz	many still do
[08:13]	vZS1	I've been thinking about a user-friendly way of implementing comments for stuff I post on the internet. Diaspora might work
[08:13]	schestowitz	maybe
[08:13]	schestowitz	I can't say that network is thriving
[08:13]	schestowitz	it's still going, but not growing much
[08:13]	schestowitz	tbh, we need to get back to 2003
[08:13]	vZS1	And what is that?
[08:14]	schestowitz	blogs, not by every idiot with qanon crap either
[08:14]	vZS1	Ah
[08:14]	CrystalMath	there were ridiculous blogs in 2003
[08:14]	CrystalMath	like, some guy selling immortality rings
[08:14]	CrystalMath	that stop aging
[08:14]	vZS1	Yeah. That was my idea
[08:14]	schestowitz	people would not read these
[08:14]	vZS1	I'll just stick to the blog idea
[08:14]	CrystalMath	tons of people found it
[08:14]	schestowitz	in social control media you can see everybody
[08:14]	schestowitz	cranks also
[08:15]	schestowitz	with blogs... just don't subscribe to cranks' RSS
[08:15]	vZS1	Yep
[08:15]	CrystalMath	my first visits to the internet as a kid immediately exposed me to conspiracy theroies
[08:15]	CrystalMath	*theories
[08:15]	schestowitz	I used to follow about 100 blogs back then
[08:15]	schestowitz	now a lot of those blogs are just dead
[08:15]	schestowitz	and many news sites don't do RSS
[08:15]	schestowitz	(or  not properly
[08:15]	schestowitz	they're just like...
[08:15]	CrystalMath	you'll never stop crazy
[08:15]	schestowitz	following our Saudi-owned Twitter account
[08:16]	schestowitz	or our ZUckerberg-filtered "Facebook page"
[08:16]	CrystalMath	as i like to say, you can't really hope to make a significant change, after all, inertia makes the world go round
[08:16]	schestowitz	it can change
[08:17]	CrystalMath	sure, you can convince me
[08:17]	CrystalMath	i have some mastodon account somewhere
[08:17]	CrystalMath	that i never use
[08:17]	schestowitz	more and more people now access our site as plain text
[08:17]	schestowitz	18,000+ in past 5 days
[08:17]	schestowitz	I just checked again, grepping  apache logs
[08:18]	schestowitz	mastodon has a censorship issue
[08:18]	schestowitz	all social control media is like that
[08:18]	schestowitz	because you syndicate across network
[08:18]	schestowitz	and some people will block you for not agreeing with you
[08:18]	schestowitz	in effect making you invisible to OTHER people
[08:19]	schestowitz	with RSS feeds people are in better control
[08:19]	schestowitz	not "PLANETS"
[08:19]	vZS1	Yep
[08:19]	schestowitz	direct subscription
[08:19]	schestowitz	and nobody can cut that off
[08:19]	vZS1	RSS is freedom-respecting
[08:19]	schestowitz	you are directly connected to the IP address or domain names of people you follow
[08:19]	schestowitz	refreshing feeds means
[08:19]	schestowitz	cycle through X sites
[08:20]	schestowitz	not go to site X, which then gets to decide who you can follow and see
[08:20]	schestowitz	more domains, but you have as many as people/sites you follow
[08:20]	schestowitz	Twitter/FB= mitm
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[08:26]	vZS1	I came across something called Jitsi, yesterday
[08:27]	vZS1	Looked pretty impressive. Seems like a self-hosted Discord alternative
[08:29]	vZS1	But I haven't read into it deeply. Too heavy for my tastes
[08:29]	vZS1	And probably some sort of privacy issues. They always have a catch
[08:39]	vZS1	I'm setting up a test IRC server with ngircd. It looks pretty portable.
[08:39]	CrystalMath	schestowitz: what's your opinion on Brave?
[08:39]	CrystalMath	actually i need to sleep
[08:41]	schestowitz	brave might be OK
[08:41]	schestowitz	but many red flags
[08:41]	vZS1	Look into Palemoon
[08:41]	vZS1	It's a pretty good browser
[08:41]	vZS1	I've been using it the last couple of days
[08:43]	vZS1	The founder also seems pretty devoted to software freedom
[08:43]	vZS1	No Shithub
[08:43]	schestowitz	unlike waterfox
[08:43]	vZS1	Palemoon uses Gitea
[08:44]	vZS1	It's also very snappy
[08:44]	vZS1	And easy to set up. Binaries available
[08:44]	vZS1	I dislike package managers
[08:45]	vZS1	So that's a plus for me
[08:56]	CrystalMath	i hate palemoon
[08:56]	CrystalMath	its creator puts in spyware
[08:56]	CrystalMath	and is generally a horrible person
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[09:01]	vZS1	Right now, a lot of software is too difficult to build from source. This problem really needs to be solved
[09:01]	vZS1	And we can't rely on devs to do it for users
[09:01]	vZS1	They're going to use whatever they feel like
[09:03]	schestowitz	use falkon
[09:03]	schestowitz	no hassle when it comes to most things, just wished it used gecko too
[09:03]	vZS1	I'm doing alright with Palemoon rn
[09:04]	vZS1	If I need to switch, I'll give Falkon a shot.
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[09:06]	vZS1	I don't think POSIX has anything in it about build systems. GNU either
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[09:07]	vZS1	As in, making it easy for the user to build software from source code
[09:07]	CrystalMath	going to sleep
[09:07]	vZS1	Because make, autoconf, pkg-config, etc sure aren't user-friendly
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[09:10]	vZS1	Relying on other bodies to build software is one of the main sources of abusing a user's freedom
[09:10]	schestowitz	vZS1: my associate suggested automating the ipfs stuff
[09:10]	schestowitz	and IRC also
[09:10]	schestowitz	for now I hold off
[09:10]	schestowitz	as I want to double check a bunch of things
[09:10]	schestowitz	like upload sizes
[09:10]	schestowitz	comparing the transfer sizes
[09:10]	schestowitz	output files, in various editors
[09:11]	schestowitz	vZS1: but in the long run, yes, we can automate the checks too and stop changing code
[09:11]	vZS1	The only thing I haven't automated for the IPFS bot is the setup
[09:11]	vZS1	I can write a shell script for that.
[09:11]	schestowitz	or manifest
[09:12]	schestowitz	though I don't fancy the latter, those depend on large frameworks
[09:12]	vZS1	What do you mean by manifest?
[09:12]	schestowitz	which can break with new versions
[09:12]	schestowitz	things like puppet
[09:12]	vZS1	I dislike those
[09:12]	schestowitz	building and maintaining based on a spec
[09:12]	schestowitz	IBM has its own
[09:12]	schestowitz	Red Hat bough Ansible
[09:12]	schestowitz	then IBM nicked Red Hat
[09:12]	vZS1	There's too much third-party dependencies
[09:12]	schestowitz	so the "underdog" became IBM
[09:12]	vZS1	A shell script is good enough
[09:12]	schestowitz	I never used chef
[09:13]	vZS1	I've used Ansible. But that wasn't by choice
[09:13]	vZS1	They are all cost-saving tools
[09:13]	vZS1	Not real solutions
[09:14]	vZS1	So they can just replace the current person with someone else easily.
[09:16]	vZS1	Pretty big cargo cult around those tools
[09:18]	schestowitz	vZS1: https://www.happyassassin.net/posts/2016/06/16/on-snappy-and-flatpak-business-as-usual-in-the-canonical-propaganda-department/
[09:18]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.happyassassin.net | On Snappy and Flatpak: business as usual in the Canonical propaganda department | AdamW on Linux and more
[09:19]	schestowitz	vZS1: I see ansible used on single machine/vm setups
[09:19]	vZS1	It actually makes it harder for projects as well. Because think of all the time people need to spend too learn those tools.
[09:19]	schestowitz	think it's overused
[09:19]	schestowitz	if you don't deploy to like hundreds of nodes
[09:19]	schestowitz	or to manage accounts... for like 3 people
[09:19]	schestowitz	not thousands 
[09:20]	schestowitz	you could copy across public keys for less time than it would take to configure  ansible or similar
[09:20]	vZS1	You can run SSH in parallel across thousands of nodes a lot better with a lot less
[09:21]	vZS1	I've done it multiple times with many programming languages. Just used the ones everyone on the team is familiar with
[09:21]	vZS1	You don't get forced into workflows you don't need nor want
[09:22]	schestowitz	old:
[09:22]	schestowitz	x https://blog.pi-top.com/join-us-at-.net-conf-2020
[09:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.pi-top.com | Join us at .NET Conf 2020!
[09:22]	schestowitz	# >:(
[09:23]	vZS1	I've done more system automation than most people
[09:23]	schestowitz	if it's reproducible easily, ok
[09:23]	vZS1	The main thing I've learned over time is to keep things dynamic. Use DRY and stuff like command substitution for paths.
[09:24]	schestowitz	I have I won't have to reconfigure my main laptop for a looong time to come
[09:24]	schestowitz	as it's a bit of a pain
[09:25]	schestowitz	lots of custom code built into it
[09:25]	vZS1	How much of that is version controlled?
[09:25]	schestowitz	Ariadne: will we have time to work on the site this weekend? also, deadline for moving, if any?
[09:25]	schestowitz	vZS1: not at all
[09:25]	schestowitz	the version control is "old backups"
[09:25]	vZS1	That's probably why it's so painful
[09:26]	vZS1	Make Git repos for all the important directories with the custom scripts and config files
[09:26]	vZS1	Crontabs, systemd files, etc
[09:27]	vZS1	Then pull them all into a superrepo as submodules
[09:27]	vZS1	You can then just redeploy them via that repo, later
[09:27]	vZS1	If you want, I can help you out with it some time
[09:28]	vZS1	You can use Git hooks to handle the tricky automation for you
[09:28]	schestowitz	you assume I do this often
[09:29]	schestowitz	if you move every 7 years, then gnu/linux changes too much
[09:29]	schestowitz	for those things to still work
[09:29]	schestowitz	7 years ago there was no systemd in distros I used
[09:29]	vZS1	It's more for organising
[09:29]	vZS1	And keeping track of things
[09:30]	schestowitz	and usually programs I used 7 years ago I'd no longer use... or scripts
[09:30]	vZS1	You've basically got a snowflake machine atm
[09:30]	vZS1	Which you can't reproduce
[09:31]	schestowitz	I can
[09:31]	schestowitz	homedir
[09:31]	schestowitz	then add the missing bits of software
[09:31]	schestowitz	apt-get or similar
[09:31]	schestowitz	maybe trickier for some perl modules etc.
[09:32]	vZS1	It's still good to keep the important stuff under VCS
[09:32]	vZS1	And back up the VCS bits
[09:32]	schestowitz	if
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[09:53]	schestowitz	>> The latest Daily Links has a bunch of posts from EPO and Team UPC about it.
[09:53]	schestowitz	> 
[09:54]	schestowitz	> I just see a lot of sites I tend to steer away from.  Looking at the
[09:54]	schestowitz	> FFII site, which I trust along with TR, I see this warning from yesterday:
[09:54]	schestowitz	> 
[09:54]	schestowitz	> https://ffii.org/open-letter-to-the-german-greens-on-upc-and-software-patents-dont-betray-your-voters-and-your-promises-or-you-will-regret-it/
[09:54]	schestowitz	> 
[09:54]	schestowitz	> I guess there will be a need for a big fight leading up to December 18?
[09:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ffii.org | Open Letter to the German Greens on UPC and software patents: dont betray your voters and your promises, or you will regret it | FFII
[09:54]	schestowitz	> 
[09:54]	schestowitz	> Whenever sw patents are brought up on technical forums, there is often
[09:54]	schestowitz	> little response.  I think what is needed at the moment is a short, clear
[09:54]	schestowitz	> call to action.
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[10:05]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 4 questions about AI ethics and how open source can help su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144810 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cf43c3a7-0c9e-4347-b4ea-b713a316406f]
[10:07]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Comparing the similarities and differences between inner source and open source https://opensource.com/article/20/11/inner-source #innersource is an attack on #freesw http://techrights.org/2020/05/23/innersource-commons-isc-president-a-giveaway/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/8c360a98-f039-4299-aeec-edb09c40c3ca]
[10:11]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Dont fall for #innersource http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144811 its a #microsoft connected scam and like #github its an ATTACK on #freesw http://techrights.org/2020/05/23/innersource-commons-isc-president-a-giveaway/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/1fff4e53-a254-4a8d-9b12-720b4444329b]
[10:34]	vZS1	schestowitz: I forwarded TR stuff to a local charity. I usually help them out with information about these things.
[10:34]	vZS1	The /?stories, /txt, and /feed/, to be precise.
[10:37]	vZS1	I'll see what I can do about getting more people aware of TR, charities in particular.
[10:37]	vZS1	I've got quite a few contacts in the sector
[10:37]	vZS1	But I've been hung up with engineering lately, so syndication kind of fell behind
[10:40]	vZS1	That piece I was going to do on E2E  encryption should be with you soon.
[10:40]	vZS1	I got caught up with a lot of other stuff so it kind of fell behind.
[10:44]	vZS1	Starting December, I won't be around very much for a few months  so I'll try to tidy up all the IPFS stuff for you as well, before that.
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[11:42]	schestowitz	[10:40] <vZS1> That piece I was going to do on E2E  encryption should be with you soon.
[11:42]	schestowitz	thanks, I have that in my notes
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[11:43]	schestowitz	[11:42] <schestowitz> [10:40] <vZS1> That piece I was going to do on E2E  encryption should be with you soon.
[11:43]	schestowitz	[11:42] <schestowitz> thanks, I have that in my notes
[11:43]	schestowitz	we could use more expertise from more people
[11:44]	schestowitz	my comfort zone for covering things is as limited as everybody's, usually freesw, swpats and general patent policies
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[12:45]	smnthermes	> [05:56:31] CrystalMath: i hate palemoon
[12:45]	smnthermes	> [05:56:36] CrystalMath: its creator puts in spyware
[12:45]	smnthermes	> [05:56:43] CrystalMath: and is generally a horrible person
[12:45]	smnthermes	There's also WebBrowser: https://git.nuegia.net/webbrowser.git/
[12:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.nuegia.net | webbrowser.git - Unnamed repository; edit this file 'description' to name the repository.
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[12:48]	chovy	hi
[12:49]	schestowitz	hi
[12:49]	chovy	how was everyone's thanksgiving
[12:49]	schestowitz	we don't ahve it here >:|
● Nov 27
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[13:16]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Connect to WiFi Using Terminal in Arch Linux and Other Distros su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144814 [https://pleroma.site/objects/80152b1e-333e-4313-9113-364d8f8880bf]
[13:24]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Devices/Embedded: Turing Pi, Raspberry Pi, MagPi su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144815 [https://pleroma.site/objects/53a8169c-7bdf-4ccd-8067-366a2c7352e0]
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● Nov 27
[14:05]	MinceR	27 094143 < vZS1> Look into Palemoon
[14:05]	MinceR	it blocks at least one extension because manchild doesn't happen to like it
[14:06]	MinceR	they also stopped it from being provided for openbsd
[14:07]	MinceR	(it being palemoon)
[14:12]	vZS1	MinceR: please elaborate
[14:14]	vZS1	schestowitz: I'm sending you a draft by email.
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[14:16]	MinceR	vZS1: https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?t=16504
[14:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forum.palemoon.org | AdNauseam extension blocked - Pale Moon forum
[14:16]	MinceR	vZS1: https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86
[14:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Pale Moon Official Branding Violation Issue #86 jasperla/openbsd-wip GitHub
[14:25]	vZS1	The extension can be enabled though
[14:26]	vZS1	It's more an inconvenience than anything else.
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[14:32]	MinceR	it is certainly not "your browser, your way"
[14:32]	MinceR	and certainly not acceptable for someone who moved away from failfox for a similar reason
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[14:35]	vZS1	That's true
[14:35]	vZS1	I'm not disagreeing with you
[14:35]	vZS1	I had a look at the GH thread
[14:35]	vZS1	That's was totally uncalled for
[14:36]	vZS1	That*
[14:36]	vZS1	Essentially bullying people instead of being patient. Bullying people that did a lot of work, no less.
[14:37]	vZS1	Welp time to remove my install and IPFS pins 
[14:38]	MinceR	not only that, but bullying people with the same trademark policy bullshit mozilla used to make failfox nonfree
[14:39]	MinceR	it's like these people just wanted to be another mozilla, but couldn't even start with their own code
[14:42]	schestowitz	ha
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[14:43]	schestowitz	[14:05] <MinceR> it blocks at least one extension because manchild doesn't happen to like it
[14:43]	schestowitz	pales
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[14:51]	schestowitz	vZS1: will check mail
[14:52]	vZS1	schestowitz: I just kept it in plaintext
[14:52]	schestowitz	that's ok
[14:52]	schestowitz	we have our formatting style
[14:52]	schestowitz	"text is king"
[14:53]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Candy: XScreenSaver Framework and collection of screensavers su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144818 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4d4c9ffa-d39a-4428-acda-a2adc0ed6e6e]
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[15:06]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The Original Jolla Phone turns 7 today su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144819 [https://pleroma.site/objects/10ba72b7-9587-4355-9e3c-2d0e384ec494]
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[15:25]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/20081853
[15:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4832419)
[15:27]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz I got an answer about Ubuntu on Certified devices from their  room. 
[15:28]	DaemonFC[m]	They say it should detect a certified device and use the Linux OEM kernel in the background and the user shouldn't even notice.
[15:28]	DaemonFC[m]	I bumped my Kubuntu install on the Yoga 900 to that kernel and it runs fine.
[15:30]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-20.04-Certified-OEM-Exp
[15:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ubuntu 20.04 LTS Aims To Enhance The Certified OEM Experience From Its Installer - Phoronix
[15:30]	DaemonFC[m]	I wonder if there's a way to force it to boot and install this kernel if it doesn't autodetect.
[15:31]	DaemonFC[m]	I know there's a daily build of the LTS floating around that just hasn't been thoroughly tested.
[15:31]	DaemonFC[m]	I might pull that to install from if nothing else.
[15:32]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz According to Canonical there's an Ubuntu SKU of the ThinkBook gen 2 series coming as a preinstall.
[15:33]	DaemonFC[m]	The Certified version so far is Intel Tiger Lake, not the Ryzen, and there is going to be an option that's not available yet with an Nvidia chipset.
[15:36]	MinceR	(cat) https://ircz.de/p/20080663
[15:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4807339)
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● Nov 27
[16:00]	schestowitz	vZS1: will edit and publish if OK with you
[16:00]	schestowitz	will add images etc.
[16:00]	vZS1	schestowitz: go for it
[16:00]	schestowitz	BTW, Thunderbird makes it SUPPPPER difficult
[16:00]	schestowitz	to open your messages
[16:00]	schestowitz	I can explain more
[16:00]	schestowitz	as it's the stuff you're in
[16:01]	schestowitz	all your messages are a three-step hoop-jumping exercise
[16:01]	MinceR	https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/15/a491be330b314cc9.jpg
[16:02]	schestowitz	MinceR: you must be THIS tall to ride
[16:02]	schestowitz	otherwise NO!
[16:02]	MinceR	"you must be 18 or older to ride"
[16:03]	schestowitz	That's what they said
[16:03]	vZS1	Just use the GPG CLI
[16:03]	MinceR	that's what Duke Nukem said, afaik, and in the context you're thinking of :>
[16:04]	schestowitz	vZS1: that is what I di
[16:04]	schestowitz	*do
[16:05]	schestowitz	Duke had sexual eastern eggs, MinceR
[16:05]	schestowitz	*easter
[16:05]	schestowitz	vZS1: picking some images... https://www.freeimages.com/search/locks
[16:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Free locks Images, Pictures, and Royalty-Free Stock Photos - FreeImages.com
[16:06]	MinceR	indeed
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[16:11]	schestowitz	vZS1: many typos
[16:11]	schestowitz	dozens picked up spellchecker already
[16:12]	schestowitz	just under a dozen actually
[16:12]	schestowitz	at least we catch them
[16:12]	schestowitz	MinceR: do you still play doom and duke nukem?
[16:13]	vZS1	I don't doubt it
[16:14]	schestowitz	jus' sayin'
[16:14]	schestowitz	the substance is what counts though
[16:14]	schestowitz	the knowledge of people
[16:14]	schestowitz	too many spammy sites out there
[16:14]	schestowitz	relaying "prepared" PR
[16:14]	schestowitz	we have insiders
[16:14]	schestowitz	whistleblowers
[16:14]	MinceR	schestowitz: yes
[16:14]	schestowitz	sometimes specialists (I specialise in very few topics myself)
[16:15]	MinceR	not exclusively, of course :>
[16:16]	schestowitz	I stopped playing games
[16:16]	schestowitz	also stopped cultivating my art works
[16:16]	schestowitz	I found games rather addictive
[16:16]	schestowitz	to the point of being able to play them all day long, even dream about them sometimes
[16:17]	schestowitz	Alex Oliva had the same observation re games he had played
[16:17]	MinceR	:)
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[16:25]	DaemonFC[m]	It seems that Lenovo is quietly working with Ubuntu to certify at least the majority of their laptops.
[16:25]	DaemonFC[m]	They probably won't require a special OEM kernel forever. A lot of that is probably just newer kernel for hardware support and maybe a new staging driver here and there.
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[16:35]	vZS1	I have enough guilt to stop me from doing that with entertainment
[16:36]	vZS1	Have the opposite problem. Struggle to relax
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[16:38]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: lenovo loves lenovo
[16:38]	schestowitz	more people love gnu/linux
[16:38]	schestowitz	thus, lenovo loves what makes more people buy their crap
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[16:48]	schestowitz	vZS1: http://techrights.org/2020/11/27/encrypt-with-e2ee-in-depth-article/
[16:48]	schestowitz	maybe you can find uncaught typos
[16:48]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Guarding Your Privacy With E2EE: Primer | Techrights
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[17:22]	MinceR	https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/15/8898f3051a14686b.jpg
[17:26]	CrystalMath	MinceR: what's that?
[17:26]	MinceR	a road in a forest
[17:26]	MinceR	with fog
[17:26]	CrystalMath	honestly that fog reminds me of a time when i got lost while walking outside of town
[17:27]	CrystalMath	you know i eschew all technology, so
[17:27]	CrystalMath	i was in real trouble
[17:28]	CrystalMath	especially when i was then attacked by stray/wild dogs
[17:28]	MinceR	i know you don't eschew all technology
[17:28]	CrystalMath	yeah but i have nothing portable
[17:28]	CrystalMath	that could give me a map
[17:29]	CrystalMath	i didn't even have my walkman then, not that it would help at all
[17:29]	CrystalMath	except provide some background music for that video game situation i was in
[17:29]	MinceR	:)
[17:29]	CrystalMath	it was like a video game, only real
[17:29]	CrystalMath	gosh how the hell did i get out of that
[17:29]	CrystalMath	i think i have PTSD though, images remind me of it :(
[17:29]	MinceR	sad
[17:29]	MinceR	i enjoy fog
[17:30]	CrystalMath	i don't enjoy being chased by wild pitbulls
[17:30]	CrystalMath	through the fog
[17:30]	CrystalMath	or, idk, it was sorta fun if i think about it, especially since i was unharmed
[17:30]	CrystalMath	but it was too much fun :P
[17:32]	MinceR	that's the dogs' fault, not the fog's
[17:33]	CrystalMath	yeah, different first letter
[17:37]	MinceR	(audio) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/14/047b7517502791a6.mp4
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[18:03]	MinceR	(cat) https://ircz.de/p/20080539
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[18:28]	vZS1	schestowitz: looks like you caught all the remaining typos.
[18:41]	schestowitz	cheers
[18:52]	MinceR	https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/14/0e5d7fa1e51b6f4b.jpg
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[20:04]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: The accessories on Lenovo's site are a bit overpriced, but if I don't use the rewards they just expire.
[20:04]	DaemonFC[m]	So I might as well get my laptop accessories there up to whatever the store credit works out to.
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[20:36]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.zdnet.com/article/ex-intel-engineer-apple-turned-away-from-intel-over-skylake-cpu-bugs/
[20:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ex-Intel engineer: Apple turned away from Intel over Skylake CPU bugs | ZDNet
[20:37]	DaemonFC[m]	"The quality assurance in SkyLake was abnormally bad," says former Intel engineer Franois Piednol.
[20:38]	DaemonFC[m]	"We were getting way too much citing for little things, and basically Apple became the number-one filer of problems with the architecture. And that went really, really bad. When your customer starts finding almost as much bugs as you found yourself, you're not leading into the right place.
[20:41]	DaemonFC[m]	I think it was more like the last straw.
[20:41]	DaemonFC[m]	Intel is getting the issues addressed finally, but Apple can just create its own specs and probably it works out cheaper for them.
[20:43]	DaemonFC[m]	They never did put Intel in the iPad or iPhone because Intel has never hit a point where they've been efficient enough on performance per watt or instructions per clock cycle to put in a mobile device. They're better than they used to be, but I just don't see x86 as a mobile platform for tablets and phones.
[20:44]	DaemonFC[m]	I also have a feeling that there will be layoffs at Apple due to this.
[20:44]	DaemonFC[m]	They no longer need the extra people to deal with supporting the x86 products with software and development tools.
[20:45]	DaemonFC[m]	x86 isn't a terrible architecture, it's just not the best. 
[20:47]	DaemonFC[m]	I just don't want to invest in a Mac because it's a rapidly depreciating asset which has almost no backwards compatibility with itself, and apps are now meant to be delivered through a store where entire categories of software are forbidden and Apple leans hard on developers not go give away any software for free.
[20:48]	DaemonFC[m]	The main reason I've never tried to get off of x86 is because it's the most battle tested architecture out there with the widest selection of affordable computers, and I can run Windows and Steam stuff through Wine.
[20:50]	DaemonFC[m]	Those Pinebooks turned out to be massively non-Free, even worse than any x86 system I've owned.
[20:50]	DaemonFC[m]	So bad that they can't run with the normal and supported Debian kernel. They have to have some kernel that time forgot that's been hacked to death with binary-only modules.
[20:51]	DaemonFC[m]	It doesn't get you Freedom, it moves you further away with a badly supported mess to boot.
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[21:28]	schestowitz	[20:50] <DaemonFC[m]> Those Pinebooks turned out to be massively non-Free, even worse than any x86 system I've owned.
[21:28]	schestowitz	you bought one?
[21:44]	DaemonFC[m]	no
[21:44]	DaemonFC[m]	Read reviews.
[21:44]	DaemonFC[m]	Guy mentioned it was stuck on a 2 year old kernel.
[21:48]	schestowitz	since when do you care about free?
[21:48]	schestowitz	you use and celebrate proprietary web browsers
[21:48]	schestowitz	and you buy things with Windows on them
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[21:51]	psydroid	Pinebook should be supported by the mainline kernel now, as that is what I'm running on my SBC
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[21:52]	psydroid	I would say that support is excellent now within the limits of the hardware itself
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[22:04]	schestowitz	zoobab: re  https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1332307265358008323
[22:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz Now von der Leyen cabinet does not seem to reply to my emails deposing the letter. Sent it via recomma https://t.co/Chh7f2DaMD
[22:04]	schestowitz	publish proof of this
[22:04]	schestowitz	as that itself can be an article
[22:04]	schestowitz	about EC role
[22:04]	schestowitz	aside from Breton's
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[22:25]	DaemonFC[m]	<schestowitz "and you buy things with Windows "> Well, they make you pay $300 more to have a Linux preload vs the same exact hardware that you can just put Ubuntu on yourself.
[22:25]	DaemonFC[m]	Would you bust out $300 more for the laptop or just install Ubuntu yourself?
[22:25]	schestowitz	straw man
[22:26]	schestowitz	you waste far too much on useless hardware
[22:26]	DaemonFC[m]	Mind you that Microsoft is basically giving them Windows at this point because it's becoming the Android of desktop operating systems.
[22:26]	schestowitz	as I explained before
[22:26]	schestowitz	for $400 you can get a very neat laptop
[22:26]	DaemonFC[m]	Where Google gives them a "free" OS and it just data mines the crap out of you.
[22:26]	schestowitz	with refurbishing, maybe no Windows
[22:26]	schestowitz	again, Google=straw man
[22:27]	DaemonFC[m]	I have no idea what Microsoft is still doing with Windows.
[22:27]	DaemonFC[m]	It's turned from money maker to money pit on consumer hardware. 
[22:27]	DaemonFC[m]	The initial signs of them giving up trying to develop their own software was what happened to Edge. 
[22:27]	schestowitz	again, Google=straw man[22:26] <DaemonFC[m]> Where Google gives them a "free" OS and it just data mines the crap out of you.
[22:27]	schestowitz	same as Windows
[22:28]	schestowitz	that's the business model >> [22:27] <DaemonFC[m]> I have no idea what Microsoft is still doing with Windows.
[22:28]	schestowitz	Google/Microsoft aren't a necessity
[22:28]	schestowitz	so putting that as windows/chromeOS is wrong
[22:28]	DaemonFC[m]	Microsoft is clearly pivoting towards Linux and Android. 
[22:28]	DaemonFC[m]	Not in a good way.
[22:28]	schestowitz	you could even do lots of stuff on a $70 rapi
[22:29]	DaemonFC[m]	I would not be surprised if they did end up doing a consumer OS based on Linux.
[22:29]	DaemonFC[m]	Windows is very long in the tooth and I'm sure difficult to maintain for them.
[22:29]	DaemonFC[m]	It's not going to hold up well in the coming decade, much less decades. 
[22:30]	DaemonFC[m]	They've gone from trying to hard sell their customers on Windows to trying to hard sell them to subscriptions for services as they use Linux, Android, or Chrome OS underneath.
[22:31]	DaemonFC[m]	It was obvious even at the time why they were desperately trying to hijack the ISO on office formats.
[22:32]	DaemonFC[m]	If they dictate what those are and implement them in ways where it's impossible for anyone else to be compatible, and change them and convert your old documents to the "new" version....it's the same as their old strategy only now they control the formats and the access to the software, because a stupid office program isn't running on your computer anymore.
[22:33]	DaemonFC[m]	It's why LibreOffice is more important than ever. It's the only office suite that's mostly compatible and under a Free licenses.
[22:33]	DaemonFC[m]	We're well past throw a stone and you hit 20 people with an office program.
[22:34]	DaemonFC[m]	Instead of donating the IBM Lotus code to The Document Foundation, IBM gave it to the Apache Foundation for god only knows what reason.
[22:34]	DaemonFC[m]	Which can't even apply security fixes to Apache OpenOffice, much less get a release out.
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[22:35]	DaemonFC[m]	The Apache Foundation really has no defensible reason to exist anymore.
[22:35]	DaemonFC[m]	Even their web server, people have mostly stopped using it.
[22:35]	schestowitz	Microsoft outsourcer
[22:35]	schestowitz	github
[22:36]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2019/04/29/asf-prisoner-of-microsoft/
[22:36]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | After Killing the Independence of Apache Software Foundation (ASF) Microsoft Steals Its Soul, Too | Techrights
[22:36]	schestowitz	like Ariadne said (and I agree), apache f is where projects come to die
[22:37]	schestowitz	and 'Linux' f is becoming the same
[22:37]	DaemonFC[m]	Apache's web server is losing about 1 percentage point of the server market per month now.
[22:37]	schestowitz	we're 'open', we're stagnant, here! Have a pile of code
[22:37]	DaemonFC[m]	It's being Internet Explorer 6'd by nginx mostly.
[22:37]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: maybe as front end
[22:37]	schestowitz	but at the back end it might be apache
[22:37]	schestowitz	with nginx at the front of it
[22:37]	schestowitz	done setups like these before
[22:38]	schestowitz	IIS it the interesting story
[22:38]	schestowitz	it's dying fast this year
[22:38]	schestowitz	corona finishes off windows in web servers
[22:38]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: Not sure if the new laptop will run Ubuntu quite right even with the Linux 5.6-OEM kernel.
[22:38]	DaemonFC[m]	I see that stuff continues to land for Tiger Lake even now.
[22:38]	DaemonFC[m]	But Lenovo certified this kernel, whatever that means.
[22:38]	Ariadne	schestowitz: i would say it is mostly related to the fact that you can deploy ASP.Net applications on Linux now (if they target .net core)
[22:39]	schestowitz	do we have proof of it?
[22:39]	DaemonFC[m]	I suppose I could muddle through for a month or two until the Ubuntu 20.04.2 comes out with a Linux 5.9 HWE kernel.
[22:39]	Ariadne	proof of which
[22:39]	schestowitz	that this is the cause
[22:40]	schestowitz	we're talking more about IIS here
[22:40]	schestowitz	not so much the OS
[22:40]	DaemonFC[m]	IIS has been bleeding for a while now.
[22:40]	schestowitz	it's done to about 4%
[22:40]	Ariadne	no, but i haven't dug into it much.  i know there's a lot of ASP.Net applications out there, and for the most part they were the only reason anyone cared about IIS
[22:40]	schestowitz	down
[22:40]	schestowitz	maybe they dump .net
[22:40]	DaemonFC[m]	When I had a website hosted on Windows 2000 I used it because it's what there was.
[22:40]	schestowitz	for something like drupal
[22:40]	DaemonFC[m]	I didn't exactly, acquire Windows 2000 Pro by traditional means.
[22:41]	Ariadne	some likely have.  expressionengine (the most popular .net cms) seems dead for a while now
[22:41]	DaemonFC[m]	And someone had it infected with a botnet. 
[22:41]	schestowitz	Ariadne: good
[22:41]	schestowitz	it was a big waste of money
[22:41]	DaemonFC[m]	Which was funny because it would go to fire up an Apache server and you'd see the splash screen.
[22:41]	DaemonFC[m]	But I turned off the internet connection and dug it out and then remastered the ISO without the botnet.
[22:43]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: I'm going to go on a limb here and say that the IIS servers being decommissioned right now are largely on Windows Server 2008.
[22:43]	DaemonFC[m]	Or 2008 R2.
[22:44]	DaemonFC[m]	Businesses are not liking Windows 10, even with the Long Term branches with the ability to turn off the spyware that you don't get as one of their peon victims. 
[22:45]	DaemonFC[m]	Businesses always get better stuff than the consumer skus, but a lot of that is enforced by the Software Licensing system service.
[22:46]	vZS1	A lot of people run their own web servers now. Same goes for reverse proxies. You can cobble together great network stacks with Go. The standard libraries are great for this.
[22:46]	DaemonFC[m]	Because you can pop up a screen and bust out the credit card and the only thing it does is provision you a different license and activate stuff that was already there.
[22:46]	vZS1	So no behemoths like Nginx or Apache. 
[22:47]	vZS1	Go's networking libraries just keep getting better.
[22:50]	vZS1	schestowitz: I bought a second hand HP laptop for my dad, yesterday. 95. Slapped Debian on it with KDE plasma.
[22:50]	vZS1	He's happy with it
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[22:52]	vZS1	I shield my entire family from Windows. They don't even know because they've never really got the chance to get caught in the MS trap.
[22:53]	psydroid	Few people in my family even use Windows anymore, if they ever did
[22:55]	psydroid	Those who did have had terrible experiences at times causing them to leave it behind completely
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[23:47]	DaemonFC[m]	Apple's new controversial telemetry that tells them whenever you open an application is what Windows 10 does on the default.
[23:47]	DaemonFC[m]	If you turn it to Basic, Microsoft says it doesn't collect that particular data.
[23:48]	DaemonFC[m]	So it's bad, but they're being singled out for something that Windows has been up to since at least Windows 8.
[23:49]	MinceR	does microshit advertise their crap with 'muh privacy' though?
[23:50]	DaemonFC[m]	No, which makes them less dishonest I suppose.
[23:50]	DaemonFC[m]	If only barely.
[23:52]	DaemonFC[m]	Mandy wants my busted Galaxy S8+
[23:53]	DaemonFC[m]	I bought up a bunch more meat this morning, schestowitz 
[23:53]	DaemonFC[m]	I don't know why I didn't think of this before.
[23:53]	DaemonFC[m]	Got 4 things and total markdown was like $26!
[23:53]	DaemonFC[m]	Just saving hundreds and hundreds a month.
[23:55]	DaemonFC[m]	MinceR: The Basic telemetry doesn't sound like an epic disaster for privacy, but that's not the default and you can't turn it off completely.
[23:55]	DaemonFC[m]	So not okay.
[23:56]	DaemonFC[m]	According to Microsoft, with Basic it doesn't collect personally identifiable information or crash dumps or list of applications and each time you launch them.
[23:56]	DaemonFC[m]	But on other screens you still need to go turn things off like typing and inkpad data and Advertising ID and other stuff.
[23:56]	DaemonFC[m]	To be fair, some of that is presented to the user on setup, but some of it is not.
[23:57]	DaemonFC[m]	Again, it's proprietary, and it encrypts everything it sends them, so you don't know it only does what it says it will.
[23:57]	DaemonFC[m]	I think it....might? Microsoft got caught paying for data that malicious "free" antivirus software from AVG/Avast was collecting, from Windows users obviously.
[23:58]	MinceR	and you don't know if the next "update" will change it and how
[23:58]	DaemonFC[m]	If they have access to the OS, it makes you wonder how bad it was that MICROSOFT used third party antivirus companies as a legal condom to spy on Windows users.
[23:58]	MinceR	maybe they got "caught" so you'll think that
[23:59]	DaemonFC[m]	Well, whatever you do, don't install All Viruses Guaranteed.
[23:59]	DaemonFC[m]	:)
[23:59]	DaemonFC[m]	I used to use "free" antivirus programs when I was on XP and there was nothing from Microsoft built into the OS.