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DaemonFC[m]I wonder why android makes it so easy to call the police.Dec 27 01:55
DaemonFC[m]If it wasn't for the police, people could deal with a lot of crime themselves.Dec 27 01:56
DaemonFC[m]The prosecutor is really sort of a new thing. Up to about 100 years ago if you believed a crime had happened you cpuld just go to the grand jury with it yourself.Dec 27 01:57
DaemonFC[m]Now with the prosecutor, people who have been battered have to ask the state to please do something about their abusive husband.Dec 27 01:57
DaemonFC[m]Prosecutors make deals to send people who punch babies to death to prison for 4 years because it's easier than having a trial.Dec 27 01:58
DaemonFC[m]Putting the state in charge of prosecution is the worst thing that ever happened to America.Dec 27 01:58
DaemonFC[m]Illinois is a police state where the police aren't interested.Dec 27 01:59
DaemonFC[m]You can neither expect their help nor can you defend yourself.Dec 27 02:00
DaemonFC[m]That's why I only pinned my ex down while he attacked me. I knew that if I fought back, they'd probably try to charge me with something.Dec 27 02:00
DaemonFC[m]They got him out of my house and that's about all I expected would happen.Dec 27 02:01
DaemonFC[m]The prosecutor had the police release him because it was a Friday, then they had a judge issue an arrest warrant that he's evading in another state.Dec 27 02:01
DaemonFC[m]The prosecutor in Lake County is a menace.Dec 27 02:05
DaemonFC[m]If you're an illegal immigrant, they'll just cut you loose.Dec 27 02:05
DaemonFC[m]Doesn't matter what you did.Dec 27 02:05
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schestowitz[23:53] <Silva> Hi, can this dd-out my USB? 27 04:01
schestowitzso weirdDec 27 04:01
schestowitzRichard Stallman wrote on 27/12/2019 02:08:> Merry Grav-Mass to you, too.Dec 27 04:04
schestowitz> Dec 27 04:04
schestowitz> I will come to England between mid-Feb and mid-March.Dec 27 04:04
schestowitz> I have one event and I am looking for more.  If you find anyoneDec 27 04:04
schestowitz> who is interested, please tell me _privately_.Dec 27 04:04
schestowitzI will see if someone in the north-west is looking to set something up.Dec 27 04:04
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz I didn't notice a Moronix paywall.Dec 27 06:21
DaemonFC[m]But there's been a serious uptick of low quality spam articles.Dec 27 06:22
schestowitz 27 06:23
schestowitz"Dec 27 06:23
schestowitzIs it time for paywall? There are a number of variants. Other creative stuff like teaming up with someone?Dec 27 06:23
schestowitzI know some Youtubers set up a platform (Nebula), I wonder if someone has done something similar for articles...Dec 27 06:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-After 3,600 Original Articles This Year On Linux/Open-Source, Let's Have A Holiday Special - Phoronix ForumsDec 27 06:23
schestowitz"Dec 27 06:23
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: I am awareDec 27 06:23
schestowitzand he keeps pushing this same articleDec 27 06:24
schestowitzabout 5 timesDec 27 06:24
schestowitzALLLLLLL the benchmarks are now paywalledDec 27 06:24
schestowitzcannot see figures without account and JSDec 27 06:24
schestowitzThere's also malware in all pagesDec 27 06:24
schestowitzMichael told me it was imposed by parent companyDec 27 06:24
schestowitzthey usually won't even let you view forum pages without consentingDec 27 06:24
schestowitzto lots of aggressive spyingDec 27 06:24
DaemonFC[m]Malware?Dec 27 06:25
schestowitz"I've said this before, but I will not buy premium as long as debianxfce is not allowed here."Dec 27 06:25
schestowitzThey banned some membersDec 27 06:25
schestowitzfor 'trolling'Dec 27 06:25
schestowitzalso, offered is lifetime membershipDec 27 06:25
schestowitzbut a lifetime of what?Dec 27 06:25
schestowitzOneself?Dec 27 06:25
schestowitzThe site?Dec 27 06:25
schestowitzThe site won't last many decadesDec 27 06:25
schestowitzthe paywall became more aggressive when Michael had a baby bornDec 27 06:25
schestowitzapparently prematurely, tooDec 27 06:26
schestowitzso he now needs to feed 3 peopleDec 27 06:26
schestowitzmy wife says she finds more typos in the site nowadaysDec 27 06:26
schestowitzthe 'blogspam' is free to accessDec 27 06:26
schestowitzI can extract the key links from theseDec 27 06:26
DaemonFC[m]I don't see a paywall.Dec 27 06:26
schestowitz(The oiginalsDec 27 06:26
schestowitzthe original content, the benchmark, is always paywalled nwoDec 27 06:27
schestowitzI keep a list/tally here: 27 06:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Latest Benchmarks Behind Partial Paywalls: Compilers, Vulkan/Radeon and SVT-AV1 | Tux MachinesDec 27 06:27
schestowitzThose benchmarks used to be the only/main thing we'd links to in tuxmachines, but now it's sending people to pages with paywall, so no doubt traffic will declineDec 27 06:27
schestowitzAlexa says tuxmachines is in top 3 sources of traffic to Phoronix.. I checked some months backDec 27 06:28
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: open  the link above for articles with paywallsDec 27 06:28
schestowitzall of them areDec 27 06:28
DaemonFC[m]I can see the benchmarks.Dec 27 06:29
DaemonFC[m]I don't know why anyone would pay for that.Dec 27 06:30
schestowitzyou cannot see the charts/figuresDec 27 06:31
schestowitzonly the wordsDec 27 06:31
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schestowitz 27 06:32
schestowitz"You should rethink your business model Michael and find more ways of getting cash flow if it's that unstable. Think sponsors, business subscriptions, business services like custom benchmarking..."Dec 27 06:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-After 3,600 Original Articles This Year On Linux/Open-Source, Let's Have A Holiday Special - Phoronix ForumsDec 27 06:32
DaemonFC[m]I can see the charts.Dec 27 06:32
schestowitz"Dec 27 06:32
schestowitzAlready got a lifetime sub, so I just sent another $100 your way as a combined Christmas and new baby gift.Dec 27 06:32
schestowitzHope there's a Merry Christmas for you and the family.Dec 27 06:32
schestowitz"Dec 27 06:32
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: which article?Dec 27 06:32
schestowitz 27 06:33
schestowitz"Dec 27 06:33
schestowitzGuess it's time to try and find my Paypal details from 20 years ago...Dec 27 06:33
schestowitzIt's not surprising that this readership is adblocker-heavy, for sure. I don't block ads per se, but I do use NoScript, which has the same outcome but better. What IS surprising is that those using AdblockPlus etc don't have an exception for the site. That's just a dick move, and you should be ashamed of yourselves.Dec 27 06:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-After 3,600 Original Articles This Year On Linux/Open-Source, Let's Have A Holiday Special - Phoronix ForumsDec 27 06:33
schestowitzShame you don't have a secondary way to make money from it (or "enough" money, I guess). Apparently you should have been born a pretty and unethical "influencer" instead. :/Dec 27 06:33
schestowitz"Dec 27 06:33
schestowitz"I hope sponsoring will not be necessary, to not loose in quality of the articles."Dec 27 06:33
schestowitz"It's not a dick move to protect ourselves from the privacy destroy adverts. Seriously, look it up. 99% of adverts attempt to track everything you do, building up big databases - there's a reason why Phoronix and other sites are forced to show "we care about your privacy" cookie banner crap - because of how they work. Seriously, next time the banner pops up on Phoronix, click the button to see just how many things it wants to use - it's Dec 27 06:33
schestowitzmaddening."Dec 27 06:33
schestowitz 27 06:34
schestowitz"Dec 27 06:34
schestowitzJust an opition here: I have paid in the past, but then I realised it was supporting your business model, which I do not agree with, mostly because I was paying for getting tracked (by you and advertiser because I would get logged out annoyingly often).Dec 27 06:34
schestowitzI'll happily pay if you drop the ad-based business alltogether.Dec 27 06:34
schestowitzAgain, I'm not telling you what to do, just expressing preference. If you paywall this site, I'll move on, no hard feelings.Dec 27 06:34
schestowitz"Dec 27 06:34
DaemonFC[m]I wouldn't subscribe.Dec 27 06:35
DaemonFC[m]It's barely worth glossing over. Maybe he hasn't stopped to consider that it isn't worth paying for.Dec 27 06:35
schestowitz 27 06:36
schestowitz"Dec 27 06:36
schestowitzIt's perfectly understandable to block advertising, it's aDec 27 06:36
schestowitz- toxicDec 27 06:36
DaemonFC[m]I have bypass paywalls in Firefox but I don't know all the sites it works on.Dec 27 06:36
schestowitz- mass spyingDec 27 06:36
schestowitz- misleading (e.g. greenwashing)Dec 27 06:36
schestowitz- privacy and law violating industry.Dec 27 06:36
schestowitzMany ads are so deceptive and some are even malware in addition of being resource intensive. And it's a hidden cost, because we are actually paying due to malware. A bigger car, new phone sooner and other stuff that we didn't know we need, or not.Dec 27 06:36
schestowitzSo we should go towards having a culture of paying for stuff even when we don't have to. Especially when blocking advertisement. Because the money saved by shielding oneself from ads should be used to pay for what we read, watch, listen to. It doesn't mean paying for everything micro amounts because we will waste a lot in fees. Just elect few things that need funding and set up recurring donations. We are a lot and not everyone will pick the Dec 27 06:36
schestowitzsame things, we just have to ensure to fund things that are in need.Dec 27 06:36
schestowitzBonus: it will be more efficient due to less intermediaries.Dec 27 06:36
schestowitz"Dec 27 06:36
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: Dec 27 06:36
schestowitz^^Dec 27 06:36
schestowitzthis is in his OWN commentsDec 27 06:36
schestowitzkind of backfired on him, I thinkDec 27 06:36
schestowitzgeeks know how ads workDec 27 06:36
schestowitz"Dec 27 06:36
schestowitzSuggestion to Michael: have a **small** "side pop up" that asks for funding.[1]Dec 27 06:36
schestowitzVia either premium or pay what you want on Liberapay. This shouldn't be too intrusive but should push more people past the tipping point. And promoting "recurring pay what you want" via Liberapay should appeal to more people for which a premium subscription (35 USD/year) is too much. (depending on the country, the income and the number of things that someone already fund)Dec 27 06:36
schestowitz[1] dismissible for 6mo or a 1 year by "nope sorry" or "I already support Phoronix"Dec 27 06:36
schestowitz"Dec 27 06:36
schestowitz"Dec 27 06:36
schestowitzOh and also, have a progress bar towards a funding goal, something simple that you could set monthly based on the sum of subscriptions, Liberapay, Paypal, etcDec 27 06:36
schestowitzAnd there could be goals like removing advertising past a certain point. You have a target demographic that should be receptive to this.Dec 27 06:36
schestowitz"Dec 27 06:36
schestowitz"What do you think of the previous proposal? That would allow to keep open access."Dec 27 06:37
DaemonFC[m]I'll never unblock ads. They're worse now than they were in 1998 when I started maintaining a hosts file.Dec 27 06:37
schestowitzI'd happily donate to Michael if it wasn't spyingDec 27 06:37
schestowitzhe does a good job and we've mostly supposed him by sending trafficDec 27 06:37
DaemonFC[m]I sharee my hosts file on my website because why not? I wrote it for myself. It was already done.Dec 27 06:37
schestowitzI don't link to it much since he added a very malicious spying company  to the site and the forumsDec 27 06:37
schestowitzin my rss reader I can open the pages with no JSDec 27 06:38
DaemonFC[m]Probably blocked by my ublock subscriptions.Dec 27 06:38
schestowitzthe forums... well, some buttons there need JSDec 27 06:38
schestowitzthere are workaroundsDec 27 06:38
DaemonFC[m]I stopped using Adblock Plus when that acceptable ads horseshit came along.Dec 27 06:38
schestowitzlast week I told a friend phoronix was struggling to raise enough moneyDec 27 06:39
DaemonFC[m]They turned over the definition of acceptable ads to ad companies.Dec 27 06:39
schestowitzosi also? hours ago: 27 06:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | An Appeal From The OSI President | Open Source InitiativeDec 27 06:39
schestowitztheir new president lacks history in freeswDec 27 06:39
schestowitzapparently just the girlfriend of a well-connected man from DebianDec 27 06:39
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: wife uses uOrigin or whatever nowDec 27 06:40
schestowitzI am aware of the AdBlock controversyDec 27 06:40
DaemonFC[m]The web is basically unusable without it.Dec 27 06:40
schestowitzI block ads  another wayDec 27 06:40
DaemonFC[m]Then they want to blame us.Dec 27 06:40
schestowitzyeah, I knowDec 27 06:40
schestowitzI am very cynical about the WebDec 27 06:40
schestowitzit's like a  really horrible place, with few islands of substance in itDec 27 06:41
DaemonFC[m]Well, it'll be gone soon. Its not closed enougj and must be replaced by apps.Dec 27 06:41
schestowitzthe web become as shopping cart, with us as the "products"Dec 27 06:41
schestowitzthey call it "targeted"Dec 27 06:41
schestowitzThe target is usDec 27 06:41
DaemonFC[m]BitTorrent sites and a few forums.Dec 27 06:42
schestowitzapps won't totally replace the WebDec 27 06:42
schestowitzI did a lot of reading on thisDec 27 06:42
schestowitztechrights traffic is rising sharply, f appsDec 27 06:42
schestowitzalso our competition decreases, paywall won't do anything but a disservice to othersDec 27 06:42
schestowitzMicrosoft tried to circumvent the www in the 90s Dec 27 06:43
schestowitzit didn't work because open systems won, eventualluyDec 27 06:43
DaemonFC[m]Paywalls don't work. They'll just cut the revebue he was making down to nothing.Dec 27 06:43
schestowitztwitter is dyingDec 27 06:43
schestowitzit's in the spiral alreadyDec 27 06:43
schestowitztrying to make money, they culled APIsDec 27 06:43
DaemonFC[m]Murdoch gave up on them except wsj.Dec 27 06:43
schestowitzadded ads, appsDec 27 06:43
schestowitzand traffic collapsedDec 27 06:43
schestowitzJack Dorsey now pretends it's open and have some 'decentralised' vapourwareDec 27 06:44
schestowitzit looks like a PR stunt, to keep people from quitting this addictionDec 27 06:44
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: Murdoch bought MySpaceDec 27 06:44
DaemonFC[m]LolDec 27 06:44
schestowitzTwitter traffic collapsed, it peaked maybe 2-3 years agoDec 27 06:44
schestowitzbut they had only lost money up until thenDec 27 06:44
schestowitznow they try to milk it for money with adsDec 27 06:45
schestowitzwhat's left of itDec 27 06:45
schestowitzand people are leavingDec 27 06:45
schestowitzall they have left now is 'celeb' and exclusive accounts like politiciansDec 27 06:45
DaemonFC[m]Old people found it and turned it into a cesspit of fake news and awfulness.Dec 27 06:45
schestowitzthose are still doing OK, but for how long?Dec 27 06:45
DaemonFC[m]Who even cares what Trump says?Dec 27 06:46
schestowitzI hope FB will die in the next 10 years, I just really don't know what will replace itDec 27 06:46
schestowitz(and I doubt it'll be any less malicious)Dec 27 06:46
DaemonFC[m]I don't. Who is reading 153 of his deranged tweets? Who has the time?Dec 27 06:46
schestowitzLinkedIn is a fgossilDec 27 06:46
schestowitzMicrosoft bought a dud and overpaid with imaginary moneyDec 27 06:46
schestowitztweets are a waste of timeDec 27 06:47
schestowitzI read almost noneDec 27 06:47
schestowitzexcept maybe 5 accounts like zoobabDec 27 06:47
schestowitzbecause the topics they cover are very similar to mineDec 27 06:47
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, they jump in and throw billions of dollars away on nonsense.Dec 27 06:47
schestowitzor because I watch people for faux pas, LF accounts, EPODec 27 06:47
DaemonFC[m]I found out that what was left of Netscape got bought by Microsoft then Facebook.Dec 27 06:48
schestowitzsome of them stop tweetingDec 27 06:48
schestowitzZemlin stopped 6 months agoDec 27 06:48
schestowitzwent cold turkeyDec 27 06:48
DaemonFC[m]I have no idea why. 20 years later?Dec 27 06:48
schestowitznot even patentsDec 27 06:48
schestowitzthey expiredDec 27 06:48
schestowitzAOL, then patents to MicrosoftDec 27 06:48
schestowitzwe wrote about that, it was almost a decade agoDec 27 06:49
schestowitzsome patents were still valid back thenDec 27 06:49
DaemonFC[m]Yeah. So what's up with Microsoft stripping it for patents then selling it to Facebook?Dec 27 06:49
DaemonFC[m]What is left after the patents?Dec 27 06:49
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]:  Did not strip of all patents.Dec 27 06:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Patents Assigned to New Aurora Corporation - Justia Patents SearchDec 27 06:55
schestowitzoh...Dec 27 06:55
oiaohmBasically behind all that legal garbage is basically a patent for targeted adveristement.Dec 27 06:57
oiaohmschestowitz: It was really close to all I think netscape started with 30+ patents.Dec 27 07:03
oiaohmand by the time you get to facebook being the owner there is only 1.Dec 27 07:03
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schestowitzoiaohm:  after Alice (2014) I doubt such patents are worth ANYTHINGDec 27 07:46
schestowitzeven unexpired onesDec 27 07:46
schestowitzwhich they would paint "ADTech"Dec 27 07:46
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oiaohmschestowitz: facebook from what I found bought Aurora  December 1, 2013Dec 27 09:18
oiaohmschestowitz: so before the Alice ruling.Dec 27 09:18
schestowitzmakes sense then...Dec 27 09:30
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oiaohmschestowitz: from the point of view that you could see the CEO of facebook cursing Alice ruling the year afterDec 27 10:27
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psydroidwhat is the current situation with Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram and whatever else the company is doing? Is there a chance we will see its total demise over the next decade or so?Dec 27 10:54
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oiaohmpsydroid: I would say it unlikely that facebook will die the next decade or so.  But I do expect government regulation on them to get quite complex and annoying for them.Dec 27 13:35
oiaohmpsydroid: we are already seeing Microsoft working on this to be able to take someone face in a photo and calculate their age.Dec 27 13:39
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oiaohmSo how long until that is a coppa requirement.Dec 27 13:39
MinceRthey'll test it in red china first, maybeDec 27 13:40
oiaohmChina has moved on to attempt to id race and age and sex in one hit.Dec 27 13:46
oiaohmMinceR: so lets just say Microsoft is a little behind on this game.Dec 27 13:47
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psydroidoiaohm, isn't Microsoft an also-ran in any market the company is trying to enter?Dec 27 15:35
psydroidI've also been looking a bit for Microsoft "partnerships" with game publishers, because I believe those are also holding back availability of native Linux gamesDec 27 15:37
psydroidespecially after my experience successfully emulating older gaming computers on relatively modest modern hardware, where Windows 10 is neither suitable for a host nor a guestDec 27 15:40
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MinceR 27 16:30
superkuhMakes me want to register tinylolcdn.comDec 27 17:01
MinceR:)Dec 27 17:15
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DaemonFC[m]Microsoft has a reputation for being aggressive and having shitty software in the markets where they can force their products on people.Dec 27 17:26
DaemonFC[m]So it stands to reason when there are already one or more solutions that work, nobody will choose the Microsoft one except a few people who will take one with extreme subsidies.Dec 27 17:26
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MinceRs/software.*$/software and hardware/Dec 27 17:27
MinceRFTFYDec 27 17:27
MinceRoops, forgot "services"Dec 27 17:27
DaemonFC[m]Those Windows phones were almost free near the end so of course a few people got one as a burner.Dec 27 17:27
DaemonFC[m]That's not really what Microsoft was going for.Dec 27 17:27
MinceRand they were still overpricedDec 27 17:28
MinceRand if they were gratis, they'd still be overpricedDec 27 17:28
DaemonFC[m]MinceR Some guy down at the auto parts store had one and said he liked it better than Android.Dec 27 17:28
MinceRwhen did he have the lobotomy?Dec 27 17:28
DaemonFC[m]That was a few years ago, but he's the only person I saw using one that claimed to like it.Dec 27 17:28
DaemonFC[m]MinceR Idk. Auto Zone is sort of a weird place.Dec 27 17:29
DaemonFC[m]You go in there for wiper blades and they ask what engine your car has.Dec 27 17:29
MinceRlolDec 27 17:30
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DaemonFC[m]Apparently, Goldman Sachs will not finance any new coal or oil projects.Dec 27 19:11
MinceRthey aren't profitable enough anymore?Dec 27 19:13
schestowitzprotestsDec 27 19:13
schestowitzAlaska IIRCDec 27 19:13
schestowitzmaybe they won't fund that in Alaska Dec 27 19:13
schestowitzIIRCDec 27 19:13
schestowitzor maybe they'll use some proxy/shell to fund itDec 27 19:14
schestowitznever underestimate GS evilnessDec 27 19:14
MinceR 27 19:15
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DaemonFC[m]Coal is a dead end. Peabody Energy lost 78% this year. Biggest American coal company and Trump supporter.Dec 27 19:36
DaemonFC[m]Why would you throw in money where it will be halved again next year, or worse, when Peabody is filing bankruptcy?Dec 27 19:36
DaemonFC[m]Coal is bad bad business and getting out lets you take a stand against climate change while you're at it.Dec 27 19:37
DaemonFC[m]And these oil companies are taking huge writedowns too.Dec 27 19:37
DaemonFC[m]Trump is trying to prop the goddamned Saudi pieces of shit up by attacking clean energy and American farmers.Dec 27 19:38
DaemonFC[m]Saudis and his handlers in Russia....Dec 27 19:38
schestowitzin Russia?Dec 27 19:38
schestowitzRussia has a lot le ss  leverage over themDec 27 19:39
schestowitzthey have mere relationsDec 27 19:39
DaemonFC[m]Pootie Poot and the Russian Pee Pee Party tapes.Dec 27 19:39
schestowitzHouse of Saud's puppetmasters since the 1940s were the French, British, then  USDec 27 19:39
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz Peabody's CEO files slapp lawsuits against anyone who criticizes him.Dec 27 19:41
DaemonFC[m]Last Week Tonight mocked him and then spent 2 years fighting off a bogus lawsuit that ended up being abandoned.Dec 27 19:42
DaemonFC[m]The guy is a real piece of shit. He sexually harassed his workers and made his secretary get down on his hands and knees to find what turned out to be a kidney stone.Dec 27 19:42
DaemonFC[m]He fished it out of the toilet because he was apparently amused by the size of it.Dec 27 19:43
DaemonFC[m]He decided to implement a bonus based on how much coal you mined and the union opposed it because it would hurt safety.Dec 27 19:43
DaemonFC[m]One worker got a check for like three bucks and returned it with a note that said Eat shit, Bob.Dec 27 19:44
DaemonFC[m]And so the guy sued him too.Dec 27 19:44
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DaemonFC[m]Trump apparently wants 27 year drug patents.Dec 27 19:50
DaemonFC[m]The non-rich can pretty much only possibly hope to afford the state medicine was in at the year 1999.Dec 27 19:50
DaemonFC[m]The scary part is that enough Democrats are on Big Pharma's bribe list that it could pass. They're not as bad as the Republicans, but if there's enough to pass a bill that's all those drug companies need.Dec 27 19:51
Hail_SpacecakeI wish the US government was more anti-Saudi than it isDec 27 19:51
MinceR 27 19:52
DaemonFC[m]They were apparently shocked that Trump isn't wanting a major war against Iran.Dec 27 19:59
DaemonFC[m]The US hasn't done much even while Iran has openly attacked shipping lanes and Saudi oil facilities.Dec 27 19:59
DaemonFC[m]It would be pretty trivial to respond to Iran with more force.Dec 27 19:59
DaemonFC[m]Their Navy is essentially a few speed boats.Dec 27 20:00
DaemonFC[m]Their air force is a bunch of badly aged F-14s from before the Revolution that they can't get new parts or weapons for.Dec 27 20:00
DaemonFC[m]There's really no reason to tolerate them thumbing their nose at us with this nuclear program.Dec 27 20:01
DaemonFC[m]You don't need to do a full scale invasion to seriously damage and destabilize their existing government.Dec 27 20:02
DaemonFC[m]I would argue that the sanctions are not working as well as a surgical strike directed mainly against military installations and some infrastructure would.Dec 27 20:03
DaemonFC[m]They fared okay against Iraq because Saddam was looking to take territory and they were at about the same technology level.Dec 27 20:03
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schestowitzkaniini: any eta for 27 20:42
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kaniinidid not realize it was downDec 27 21:03
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schestowitzkaniini: looks like it's processing and catching upDec 27 21:25
schestowitzas viera has not yet picked up new posts from  a while agoDec 27 21:25
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DaemonFC[m]My co-pay at the chiropractor was only $8 this morning.Dec 27 23:31
DaemonFC[m]I sounded like tree branches snapping last week, but not quite as bad this time.Dec 27 23:31
danielp3344<MinceR ""> lol I missed this earlierDec 27 23:33
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