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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla: Thunderbird Conversations and TenFourFox Feature Parity Release 24 []Jun 29 00:01
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Adriaan de Groot: KSysGuard []Jun 29 00:01
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: scikit-survival 0.13 Released []Jun 29 00:05
schestowitzAde mentioned here 29 00:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | LibreOffice Weekly Clippings - June 28, 2020 - The Document Foundation BlogJun 29 00:10
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: they sue and raid almost everyoneJun 29 00:11
schestowitz 29 00:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bundlore adware brings a new nest of risks to Mac users – Naked SecurityJun 29 00:11
schestowitzshitty 'journalists' focusing on threats... that users need to actually INSTALLJun 29 00:11
schestowitzwhile overlooked back doors that are there by intentionJun 29 00:12
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: +35,906 on a SundayJun 29 00:15
schestowitzcovid19 casesJun 29 00:15
schestowitzindia is approaching, with about 20k new ones tested and confirmed these daysJun 29 00:15
schestowitzholycrap, mozilla!Jun 29 00:25
schestowitzdidn't realise it had deprecated pretty much all remaining extensions in thunderbirdJun 29 00:25
schestowitzalmost nothing remains that works or even shows upJun 29 00:26
schestowitzand... theme-wiseJun 29 00:26
schestowitzthey're all obsolete nowJun 29 00:26
schestowitzenigmail issues a warning now NOT to update thunderbirdJun 29 00:26
schestowitzas it would break the encryption extensionJun 29 00:26
schestowitzI found only one theme for thunderbird one can still useJun 29 00:26
schestowitztheir web site is all rust and rusty... lots of dead extensionsJun 29 00:27
schestowitzwhat's left of themJun 29 00:27
schestowitzthey screw all the volunteers who enhance their software suites/browserJun 29 00:27
schestowitzand then they'll end up wondering why users leave, tooJun 29 00:27
schestowitzthe extensions are what made Firefox so attractive and useful in the first placeJun 29 00:27
schestowitzI cannot even keep count of all those they've disabled, but it's a lotJun 29 00:28
schestowitzso now it's just some 'classic' modeJun 29 00:28
schestowitzand their themes are like some shallow cssJun 29 00:28
schestowitzseveral others suites did the same, limiting what developers can do to customiseJun 29 00:28
schestowitzso you end up with something monolithic, not for you... because MozKnowsBest(R)Jun 29 00:29
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s leftovers and howtos []Jun 29 00:35
DaemonFC[m] 29 00:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple declined to implement 16 Web APIs in Safari due to privacy concerns | ZDNetJun 29 00:44
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, Mozilla enabled the battery status API and then when someone pointed out it was useful in a fingerprinting attack, they rolled it back out. I'm simply no longer confident that any browser vendor really knows or cares what they are doing and we have a much bigger problem than -webkit- prefixes in CSS with Blink because Google is tossing random shit in there and going "This sounds great!", and it doesn't botherJun 29 00:44
DaemonFC[m]them at all because they're a tracking company.Jun 29 00:44
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oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: the problem starts at w3c with web as in you are defining protocol over wire not end user security.Jun 29 00:46
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oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: lets take one of those 16 api apple did not implement.   "Web USB"   and now its usage case  updating device firmware without needing  platform particular application. Hmm this absolute does not read as something any random website should be allowed to use.Jun 29 00:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - devanlai/webdfu: WebUSB Device Firmware Upgrade exampleJun 29 00:49
MinceRlolJun 29 00:51
oiaohmOf course being able to update firmware of keyboards and the like connected to a browser only device would be a good thing if the browser had suitable security.Jun 29 00:51
DaemonFC[m]I agree with removing DNT from Safari. DNT is so dumb.Jun 29 00:51
oiaohmReally I don't exactly agree with removing DNT but setting it on all the time would be correct answer.   Different country regulations here some countries if there is a flag that says Do Not Track and a company does it an offense.Jun 29 00:53
DaemonFC[m]"Removed support for any plug-ins on macOS."Jun 29 00:53
DaemonFC[m]The NPAPI code has been -totally- removed from WebkitGTK.Jun 29 00:53
DaemonFC[m]I filed the bug requesting that a while back and it started some chatter about deprecation and removal process.Jun 29 00:54
oiaohmThe web usb should not exactly be priviacy concerns it should be bricking hardware concerns as well.Jun 29 00:54
DaemonFC[m]Or accessing something and using it as part of a malware attack.Jun 29 00:55
DaemonFC[m]I mean damn.Jun 29 00:55
DaemonFC[m]Who the fuck is proposing all this? Google?Jun 29 00:55
DaemonFC[m]Are they where all of this is from>Jun 29 00:56
DaemonFC[m]You know. I think GNOME Web is not a bad choice, really, considering where things are going.Jun 29 00:56
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]:  web usb is 100 percent google.    Like how are going to program arduino on a browser only chrome book without something like that.  Jun 29 00:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | WebUSB APIJun 29 00:58
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: its not all google but mostly.   Battery status was started by Intel and Mozilla but the Mozilla developer moved from Mozilla to Google .Jun 29 01:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Battery Status APIJun 29 01:01
DaemonFC[m]Firefox is more unique than GNOME Web on Panopticlick, apparently.Jun 29 01:02
oiaohm  this one apple is not implementing is pure Intel.Jun 29 01:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | MagnetometerJun 29 01:03
oiaohmMajority are google but.Jun 29 01:03
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 28/6/2020: Linux 5.8 RC3 and Nitrux 1.3.0 []Jun 29 01:04
oiaohm << pure mozilla one as well.Jun 29 01:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Network Information APIJun 29 01:05
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: its looking roughly half what apple is not implementing is google and the other half are Intel and Mozilla things.Jun 29 01:07
DaemonFC[m] 29 01:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Demand for employee surveillance software soars | ZDNetJun 29 01:42
DaemonFC[m]40,000 new cases.Jun 29 01:45
DaemonFC[m]What the hell is going on down there?Jun 29 01:45
DaemonFC[m] 29 01:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Ron DeSantis, on rising Florida coronavirus cases: you ‘can’t control’ what young people doJun 29 01:46
DaemonFC[m]Ah, governor fails to do anything. Blames "young people".Jun 29 01:47
DaemonFC[m]Yes, yes! Piss off the voters that will nearly all live!Jun 29 01:47
DaemonFC[m]Pretty much all the news I'm seeing is that experts are begging Congress to increase funding and staff at bankruptcy courts.Jun 29 01:55
DaemonFC[m]They're saying it's going to be a wave worse than 2008.Jun 29 01:56
DaemonFC[m]They're saying that if Congress doesn't increase court resources, then tons of companies that could be saved will hit deadlines and end up being converted to Chapter 7s and liquidated.Jun 29 01:56
DaemonFC[m]In other words, we're going to lose hundreds or thousands of viable companies in the coming months because they just get chopped up for parts in a bankruptcy court that can't sift through the mess.Jun 29 01:57
DaemonFC[m]Part of the plan needs to be Congress extending certain deadlines that would trigger liquidation.Jun 29 01:58
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: So they're talking out both sides of their mouths here.Jun 29 01:59
DaemonFC[m]They're going to do Fedspeak and fake unemployment stats to make things look like they aren't that bad, and at the same time, they're bracing for mass carnage and hoping it's after Trump gets re-elected.Jun 29 01:59
schestowitz#twitter now >always< literally BLOCKS browsers that aren't the Big Browsers i.e. #proprietarySoftware with #DRM -- #socialcontrolmedia is getting more disgusting and hostile as the days go by! It refuses to even render on Browsers That Support What It SERVES(R)!Jun 29 02:00
DaemonFC[m]They have Jim Cramer saying there's nothing wrong  and the thought of a Biden presidency is "spooking" the markets.Jun 29 02:00
MinceRfuck twatter, i'm tired of having to hit "Try Again" 6 times to get something to load on their shitty excuse of a websiteJun 29 02:01
DaemonFC[m]This is the same guy that was blindsided and going nuts when Lehman collapsed.Jun 29 02:01
DaemonFC[m]I was watching him on TV and laughing.Jun 29 02:01
MinceRalso with a bar telling me that i "might be" banned from seeing whatever it is, even if it is visible, and as i'm not logged inJun 29 02:01
MinceRtwatter "developers" have no clue what they're doingJun 29 02:01
DaemonFC[m]Twitter appears to work on GNOME Web.Jun 29 02:02
MinceRi'm pretty sure the content i was trying to view would have been less in static HTML than the bug-ridden javascript crap that's trying and failing to load itJun 29 02:05
DaemonFC[m] 29 02:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The calm before the storm of bankruptcies | American BankerJun 29 02:05
DaemonFC[m]"But there are countervailing factors as well.Jun 29 02:05
DaemonFC[m]The current unemployment crisis was artificially created by state and local government stay-at-home orders in response to the pandemic. In past business cycles, increases in the unemployment rate resulted from shocks or recessions —not from a deliberate government decision to freeze most economic activity."Jun 29 02:05
DaemonFC[m]Yes, it matters why people don't have money when the creditors come a calling.... /sJun 29 02:06
MinceRindeed, dead people do not count as unemployedJun 29 02:06
DaemonFC[m]Idiots.Jun 29 02:06
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I have the banks I filed bankruptcy against telling me I have an updated credit report with a bankruptcy on it.Jun 29 02:06
MinceRwhich of course leads us to an obvious and easy solution to unemployment that does not rely on any pandemics...Jun 29 02:06
DaemonFC[m]"Ah, gentlemen, glad you could make it!"Jun 29 02:07
insmodppaTwitter sends you several MiB of their "web app" JS to load a few KiB of JSON. You load that pile of garbage every time you open a new Twitter URL. God help you if you're on a tight bandwidth quota.Jun 29 02:07
DaemonFC[m]<insmodppa "Twitter sends you several MiB of"> Yeah, or a slow connection, like I am.Jun 29 02:07
schestowitzterribleJun 29 02:08
schestowitzI am trying to hack around itJun 29 02:08
DaemonFC[m]I don't use Twitter. When I saw a JWZ post about them printing out all of the fucks and shits and "questionable likes" he had made and emailing some guy's boss like 800 pages.....Jun 29 02:08
DaemonFC[m]I was like "Glad I don't use that!".Jun 29 02:08
schestowitz[02:01] <DaemonFC[m]> This is the same guy that was blindsided and going nuts when Lehman collapsed.Jun 29 02:09
schestowitzand yet he STILL has a show on TVJun 29 02:09
DaemonFC[m]Where did that post go?Jun 29 02:09
DaemonFC[m]He does. He's a fucking idiot is what he is.Jun 29 02:09
DaemonFC[m]Leading people to financial ruin again, and they probably still won't cancel him.Jun 29 02:09
AVRSschestowitz: nitter.netJun 29 02:09
schestowitzso much for meritorcisyJun 29 02:09
schestowitzhis recommendations were awfulJun 29 02:10
DaemonFC[m]They were, but it's mostly stupid Republicans who listen to him.Jun 29 02:10
schestowitzAVRS: cannot log in through thatJun 29 02:10
schestowitzI just need it to see who links to techrights and sometimes rtJun 29 02:10
schestowitzthat's all I needJun 29 02:10
schestowitzby PRetending to be firefox, using qupzilla, I can now get minimal pages, the old "mobile" UIJun 29 02:12
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < >Jun 29 02:12
DaemonFC[m]--Jun 29 02:12
DaemonFC[m]LOL!Jun 29 02:12
DaemonFC[m]Oh my God. He has lost people so much money. Jun 29 02:13
DaemonFC[m]The Wall Street Journal is basically mocking/trolling him.Jun 29 02:14
schestowitzI forgot which company he recommended and was massively mocked forJun 29 02:14
schestowitzit went viralJun 29 02:14
schestowitzmaybe lehmanJun 29 02:14
DaemonFC[m]Bet against whatever Jim Cramer says is a buy.Jun 29 02:14
schestowitzbut I'm not sureJun 29 02:14
schestowitzbefore the collapseJun 29 02:14
DaemonFC[m]The Reverse Cramer. :)Jun 29 02:14
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: maybe he shorts these before recommending themJun 29 02:14
DaemonFC[m]It probably was Lehman.Jun 29 02:15
DaemonFC[m]He said buy it and then it was one of the biggest bankruptcies in history a month later. Jun 29 02:15
schestowitzI don't suppose there's a leaner twitter interface one can log intoJun 29 02:15
schestowitzas in, also interact through itJun 29 02:16
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: If they're not going to be ashamed of abusing the bankruptcy code, like, I mean fucking hell.Jun 29 02:16
schestowitzall I need is a search slice, with possible the ability to RT (not necessity)Jun 29 02:16
DaemonFC[m]What they are doing with bankruptcy a lot of the time is a criminal offense.Jun 29 02:16
insmodppaschestowitz: If you don't mind writing a script with wget and grep, you can: Read the gt= value from cookie, get the Auth bearer (regex for =AAAA...) and queryId (queryId:"...") from main.xxxxx.js listed on the page, then call the graphql API with the queryId to get the restId which you plug into the timeline/media API URL along with the bearer and gt in the headers. <- See how f***ed up it all gets just to fetch a tiny sentence?Jun 29 02:16
DaemonFC[m]The trustee should be clawing back all that bonus money from JC Penney's CEO.Jun 29 02:16
schestowitzinsmodppa: I don't want to diy for twitter, not worth itJun 29 02:16
schestowitzthey also block things and deprecate apisJun 29 02:17
schestowitzso you're at their mercy all the timeJun 29 02:17
schestowitzI am trying to dump firefox completely from all machinesJun 29 02:17
DaemonFC[m]JC Penney has creditors they're saying they can't pay and they gave the guy like $4 million and then filed bankruptcy immediately.Jun 29 02:17
DaemonFC[m]They're not even hiding how corrupt this is..Jun 29 02:17
insmodppaIndeed. You'll be spending more time getting it to work than actually using it for any good purpose.Jun 29 02:17
schestowitzwhat's the search syntax in twitter for "live" or "latest on top"?Jun 29 02:17
schestowitzin the old UI, not the "Latest" BSJun 29 02:17
schestowitzI know "from:"Jun 29 02:18
schestowitznot sure about time keywordsJun 29 02:18
DaemonFC[m]Then I have my sister-in-law screaming that it's fraud to file bankruptcy on some old credit cards that blew up on me.Jun 29 02:18
DaemonFC[m]It's not. It's perfectly legal.Jun 29 02:18
DaemonFC[m]My lawyer said it happens day in and day out.Jun 29 02:18
DaemonFC[m]The Trustee waved it through and went to lunch.Jun 29 02:18
DaemonFC[m]I mean, my god.Jun 29 02:18
DaemonFC[m]She's pissed that she can't do it to clean up their mess.Jun 29 02:19
insmodppaschestowitz: Try filter: but I'm not sure if it works with "live".Jun 29 02:19
schestowitzTried time: date: and when:Jun 29 02:19
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I threw another medical bill in the pile in an amended filing 3 days before the meeting.Jun 29 02:19
schestowitztried filter: alsoJun 29 02:20
DaemonFC[m]The health dept didn't bill insurance properly and I called them and said "I'm filing bankruptcy and I added your bill, but if you want to re-bill them and _they_ pay you something, that's entirely your business. I suggest you try harder.Jun 29 02:20
schestowitz 29 02:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How to use advanced searchJun 29 02:21
DaemonFC[m]Them and their fucking lab.Jun 29 02:21
DaemonFC[m]I threw $840 from ONE office visit in December in the bankruptcy. Then another $420 for a phone call with some medication refills.Jun 29 02:21
DaemonFC[m]At a certain point, it really makes no difference anymore. If you owe someone $20, throw that in too. I did.Jun 29 02:22
DaemonFC[m]My schedule went on for 3 pages when I was done, including the collections agencies I knew of.Jun 29 02:22
schestowitz"since:"Jun 29 02:23
schestowitzthat's the oneJun 29 02:23
schestowitze.g. New Years -Resolution lang:en near:"San Francisco, CA" within:15mi since:2013-12-30 until:2014-01-02Jun 29 02:23
DaemonFC[m]Kia Finance got all shitty with me because John was behind on his payment and I told them "I don't care. I'm in the middle of filing bankruptcy against you and if you call here again, your ass is grass when I tell the Trustee.".Jun 29 02:23
DaemonFC[m]So that account was forcibly shut down and there's nothing they could do. Repo the car from John maybe, eventually.Jun 29 02:25
DaemonFC[m]Sue him.Jun 29 02:25
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I'm going to email John that clip of Ash from Alien when this probation expires.Jun 29 02:25
DaemonFC[m]"I won't lie to you about your chances...but, for what it's worth, you have my sympathies.".Jun 29 02:25
acer-box__ 29 02:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Search Twitter - since:2020-06-28Jun 29 02:29
schestowitz^ sort of closeJun 29 02:29
schestowitzif only if could be sorted by timeJun 29 02:29
schestowitzno sortby: that I can seeJun 29 02:30
schestowitzor sort criteriaJun 29 02:30
schestowitztwitter is crapJun 29 02:30
schestowitzall these years and they still lack what should have been easy to implement with an sql query on their dbJun 29 02:30
schestowitzdoesn't even support "now" or "today"Jun 29 02:31
schestowitzthe dates are hardcoded numbersJun 29 02:31
insmodppaIt's intentional. Like how they don't like you viewing anything past the last five minutes.Jun 29 02:31
schestowitzok, byebye firefoxJun 29 02:32
schestowitzgood riddance, tooJun 29 02:32
schestowitzbloated crapJun 29 02:32
DaemonFC[m]I purged several browsers off the computer.Jun 29 02:35
DaemonFC[m]Leaving Firefox as a backup browser.Jun 29 02:36
DaemonFC[m]Deleted the mess they left behind.Jun 29 02:36
schestowitzok, now I have the twitter monitor with zero javascriptJun 29 02:38
DaemonFC[m]Now the south not only has a Coronavirus catastrophe, but there's a major dust storm that blew across the Atlantic to land on them.Jun 29 02:38
schestowitzqupzilla needs to pretend to be old firefoxJun 29 02:39
DaemonFC[m]Hurricanes soon, no doubt.Jun 29 02:39
schestowitzotherwise twitter blocks it!!Jun 29 02:39
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: Haiti will become MiamiJun 29 02:39
DaemonFC[m]Twitter probably thinks Web is Safari.Jun 29 02:39
schestowitzit needs to stop thinkingJun 29 02:39
schestowitzstop sniffingJun 29 02:39
schestowitzuse web standardsJun 29 02:39
schestowitzand serve the same to allJun 29 02:40
schestowitzif it's not supported by all, don't do itJun 29 02:40
schestowitzbut KISS and surveillance capitalism aren't compatible, we all know that...Jun 29 02:40
DaemonFC[m]"The current lull seems likely to be unsustainable. Surely, unemployed consumers will burn through savings and exhaust unemployment benefits, and mortgage forbearance cannot continue forever. When that happens, many consumers will seek to wipe out credit card debts or stop a foreclosure from proceeding."Jun 29 02:41
DaemonFC[m]Yes, I said this many times.Jun 29 02:41
DaemonFC[m]They are waiting to be as fucked as they can get with debt, before losing the house.Jun 29 02:41
DaemonFC[m]Then they will flock to court all at once.Jun 29 02:41
DaemonFC[m]If you can only do it once, why wouldn't you wait until the last moment?Jun 29 02:42
schestowitzI always come back to falkon/qupzillaJun 29 02:43
schestowitznow I have my work mail working with it againJun 29 02:43
DaemonFC[m]Nobody expects me until I've already done what I'm about to do. I think it throws people off better when they think you're aloof and adrift and possibly stupid.Jun 29 02:50
DaemonFC[m]You don't want your enemy to plan, you want them to be caught off guard.Jun 29 02:50
DaemonFC[m]With bill collectors, their campaign is psychological in nature. It was designed by psychologists.Jun 29 02:51
DaemonFC[m]Either they will gain information that helps them sue you later, or they will train you to fear them.Jun 29 02:52
DaemonFC[m]Bombarding people who have stopped paying their bills with notices that look more and more serious (including the color of paper and words like FINAL NOTICE), trains them to do nothing.Jun 29 02:52
DaemonFC[m]By the time you sue, fewer of them will end up going to court because they don't feel there's anything they can say.Jun 29 02:53
DaemonFC[m]So you get a default judgment. Jun 29 02:53
DaemonFC[m]It's an odds game. Jun 29 02:53
DaemonFC[m]By emotionally terrorizing them and training them to do nothing, it softens them up in the months leading up to the lawsuit.Jun 29 02:54
DaemonFC[m]They have statistical analysis to see who is likely to be worth spending money to sue and they prioritize them.Jun 29 02:54
schestowitz#Microsoft #linkedin #censorship 29 02:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bgiltrap: .@schestowitz have you been aware of the censorship on Linkedin which seems to be accelerat… 29 02:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> LinkedIn: we didn’t realise what a... - Stacey Wilkinson | FacebookJun 29 02:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bgiltrap: .@schestowitz have you been aware of the censorship on Linkedin which seems to be accelerat… 29 02:55
DaemonFC[m]Sometimes they don't even bother. Oddly, it's sometimes better to owe many people lots of money. They'll each check your credit report and figure they'll be the one to waste money and push you into filing bankruptcy.Jun 29 02:55
DaemonFC[m]They can sit on it for 5-6 years and sue you later if they want.Jun 29 02:56
DaemonFC[m]No rush.Jun 29 02:56
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Psychological campaigns figure into what gets people into debt, what keeps them there, and what forces them to run on a treadmill to pay it back.Jun 29 02:57
DaemonFC[m]Mandy's relatives fell hook, line, and sinker. Jun 29 02:57
DaemonFC[m]If they don't pay for that house, they go right back to court. If they try to sell it, they'll owe more than they get.Jun 29 02:57
DaemonFC[m]If it's even possible to sell it for a while.Jun 29 02:58
DaemonFC[m]Debt settlements are a joke. Your credit is destroyed and now you have a big tax bill you can't pay.Jun 29 02:59
DaemonFC[m]But the bankruptcy mandatory "counseling" says you need to seriously consider it.Jun 29 02:59
DaemonFC[m]Bankruptcies aren't taxed, but if you negotiate to pay part of a debt as paid in full, the canceled amount is taxed.Jun 29 03:00
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: []Jun 29 03:11
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: You Can Now Transform Ubuntu into a Rolling Release with “Rolling Rhino” []Jun 29 03:11
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: vvJun 29 03:32
schestowitz[03:23] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): Almost done deleting Firefox (well, it's installed, won't be used) from 3 PCs. Every time you open a tabs they spew out ads and company politics now. And they have placeholders that are paid for. There are even worse Mozilla issues... []Jun 29 03:32
schestowitz[03:30] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): Want a browser that does not treat you like a product to be sold to someone? Use #falkon (or #qupzilla on older-but-still-supported distros) []Jun 29 03:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PleromaJun 29 03:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | HomeJun 29 03:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Falkon - KDE UserBase WikiJun 29 03:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PleromaJun 29 03:32
schestowitzmy two other PCs are on qupzillaJun 29 03:32
schestowitzthey have an old LTS on the, no falkon in their repos now (or ever in the future)Jun 29 03:33
DaemonFC[m]Company politics?Jun 29 03:37
schestowitzyesJun 29 03:37
schestowitzlike...Jun 29 03:37
schestowitzgay rights, BLM etc.Jun 29 03:38
schestowitzI didn't ask for itJun 29 03:38
DaemonFC[m]Don't forget the VPN on the third party company they can't verify isn't spying on you.Jun 29 03:38
schestowitznot against itJun 29 03:38
schestowitzbut I don't need it in my face just because I open a tab and Mozilla does this to promote its brand thereJun 29 03:38
schestowitzAWS login page did the sameJun 29 03:38
schestowitzso to enter AWS you need to be lied to by bezosJun 29 03:38
schestowitzas if he caresJun 29 03:39
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: I wrote about their privacy snakeoilJun 29 03:39
schestowitzshitcastic is their partnerJun 29 03:39
schestowitzand prior to it only clownflareJun 29 03:39
schestowitz 29 03:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Mozilla Shames Itself and Harms Its Reputation by Stating That “Comcast Has Taken Major Steps to Protect Customer Privacy” | TechrightsJun 29 03:40
schestowitzMozilla is in shamblesJun 29 03:40
schestowitzthey list prior board membersJun 29 03:40
schestowitzas if to take pride in themJun 29 03:40
schestowitzeven the one who took bill gates bribes via epsteinJun 29 03:40
schestowitziotJun 29 03:40
schestowitzitoJun 29 03:40
schestowitz 29 03:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Humour] Mozilla Firefox Will Protect Your Privacy Like Comcast Does | TechrightsJun 29 03:40
schestowitzthis is beyond satire... they actually mean itJun 29 03:41
schestowitztrust privacy offenders... for privacyJun 29 03:41
schestowitzand I'm no longer trusting let's encrypt eitherJun 29 03:41
schestowitzthey never explained what had happened and the US rushes new anti-privacy billsJun 29 03:41
schestowitzstupid question:Jun 29 03:44
schestowitzcan you think of a way to make konversation "latest message on top"?Jun 29 03:44
schestowitzas in reverse order?Jun 29 03:44
schestowitz 29 03:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fix activities by camilasan · Pull Request #345 · nextcloud/desktop · GitHubJun 29 03:46
schestowitzwait, they're on shithub?Jun 29 03:46
schestowitzor just a mirror?Jun 29 03:46
schestowitzcannot find a single irc client that would accomplish thisJun 29 03:48
schestowitzcould write something to do this in a shell... maybe I shall...Jun 29 03:49
schestowitzI can trigger scripts from inside konversationJun 29 03:49
schestowitzso this one would tail and reverse the logsJun 29 03:50
schestowitzlet's see knotify interfaces...Jun 29 03:51
schestowitznotify-send 'text'Jun 29 03:54
schestowitz 29 03:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | shell - How to pipe stderr to notify-send? - Stack OverflowJun 29 03:58
schestowitz"Jun 29 03:58
schestowitz0Jun 29 03:58
schestowitznotify-send will not work with pipingJun 29 03:58
schestowitzHowever, you can try: sudo pip install notify-pipeJun 29 03:58
schestowitzWhich accepts pipingJun 29 03:58
schestowitzSee here: 29 03:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - ron7/notify-pipe: like notify-send just for pipesJun 29 03:58
schestowitz"Jun 29 03:58
schestowitzYuck, shithub everywhereJun 29 03:58
schestowitztail -n1  /home/roy/.xchat2/xchatlogs/FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log | cut -c75-100  2>&1 | ./notify-pipeJun 29 04:11
schestowitzalmost there now...Jun 29 04:11
schestowitz cat /home/roy/notify-pipe Jun 29 04:12
schestowitz#!/usr/bin/env shJun 29 04:12
schestowitz read notificationJun 29 04:12
schestowitznotify-send  "Command Failed" "$notification" "$@"Jun 29 04:12
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schestowitzApplication Options:Jun 29 04:17
schestowitz  -u, --urgency=LEVEL               Specifies the urgency level (low, normal, critical).Jun 29 04:17
schestowitz  -t, --expire-time=TIME            Specifies the timeout in milliseconds at which to expire the notification.Jun 29 04:17
schestowitz  -a, --app-name=APP_NAME           Specifies the app name for the iconJun 29 04:17
schestowitz  -i, --icon=ICON[,ICON...]         Specifies an icon filename or stock icon to display.Jun 29 04:17
schestowitz  -c, --category=TYPE[,TYPE...]     Specifies the notification category.Jun 29 04:17
schestowitz  -h, --hint=TYPE:NAME:VALUE        Specifies basic extra data to pass. Valid types are int, double, string and byte.Jun 29 04:17
schestowitz  -v, --version                     Version of the package.Jun 29 04:17
schestowitz 29 04:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Plasma/Notifications - KDE Community WikiJun 29 04:29
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "even the one who took bill gates"> What about the program manager for Windows XP SP2, which fixed everything....?Jun 29 04:32
kingoffrancei thought comcast was the one long ago that intercepted unknown dns lookups to take you to a search engineJun 29 04:34
kingoffranceyou dont have to use their dns of course, but yeahJun 29 04:34
kingoffranceof course, there is no need for this helpful feature nowJun 29 04:34
kingoffrancebecause browsers probably do it, it is built-in i supposeJun 29 04:35
kingoffranceyou would only run into this feature i suppose nowadays if the browser didnt helpfully redirect you firstJun 29 04:35
kingoffranceits like cascading clippysJun 29 04:36
kingoffranceyou might avoid one, but theres another lurking in the background to guide youJun 29 04:36
DaemonFC[m]<kingoffrance "you would only run into this fea"> No, AT&T still does it, and it does interfere with Firefox's search.Jun 29 04:47
DaemonFC[m]Unless you add a search box.Jun 29 04:47
kingoffrancehmmJun 29 04:48
kingoffrancelong ago, i dunno about now, you could make special bookmarks and then "g whatever" for google, something like put %s in the urls you bookmarked IIRC and assign a "prefix"Jun 29 04:48
kingoffrancei guess that is still aroundJun 29 04:48
kingoffrancebut they come with "default search engines" now tooJun 29 04:49
kingoffrancei used to set things up the old way, so i always found the "set search engine when using address bar" to be weirdJun 29 04:49
kingoffrancei guess they made it a gui thing nowadaysJun 29 04:49
kingoffrancei.e. in preferences, not just "special bookmarks"Jun 29 04:50
kingoffranceat least, thats what i remember: it used to be youd just make special bookmarksJun 29 04:50
AVRSSpecial bookmarks still work.Jun 29 05:00
AVRSBookmark keywords or keyword bookmarks…Jun 29 05:01
AVRSSearch engines also have keywords, but they work differently.Jun 29 05:01
AVRSThose non-diversity statistics: 29 05:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Diversity and Inclusion at Mozilla: Sharing Our 2019 Results – Life@MozillaJun 29 05:07
AVRSCould they be just because Mozilla Corporation is in California, and Hawaians live on Hawaii and "Latinx" near Mexico?Jun 29 05:07
AVRSAh, California is more South than I imagined 29 05:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | File:2010 US Census Hispanic Population by County.svg - WikipediaJun 29 05:09
AVRSNot sure they counted remote employees though.Jun 29 05:09
AVRSgah, need to read firstJun 29 05:10
AVRS"46% of employees work remotely"Jun 29 05:10
AVRSbut "38% of our employees are based outside the United States in one of 14 other countries (down from 39%)."Jun 29 05:10
AVRSWhy do US companies that suffer an SJW attack suddenly start CoC and diversity propaganda?Jun 29 05:13
AVRSDid they simply foresee todays' events?Jun 29 05:13
kingoffrancewell some would say plannedJun 29 05:23
kingoffrancebut the "right" cant really say thatJun 29 05:23
kingoffrancebecause they are in bed with corps tooJun 29 05:24
kingoffranceso they cant be "the deep state"Jun 29 05:24
kingoffranceit must be something elseJun 29 05:24
kingoffrancewall street cant be the deep state, it must be elsewhereJun 29 05:24
kingoffrancetheyll through soros or someone under the bus, but they cant ever say the whole thing is deepJun 29 05:25
kingoffrances/through/throw/Jun 29 05:25
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insmodppaThe latest F-Droid version causes the "Intent Filter Verification Service" to contact (expected), (this is new),,, and And I'm on an emulator with no Google services on it (with all the junk stripped out).Jun 29 07:29
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schestowitzAVRS: I have NO issues with diversityJun 29 08:20
schestowitzbut make a decent produictJun 29 08:20
schestowitzif the diversity push harms quality of the product, then we are compromising engineering to appease non-technical aspectsJun 29 08:20
schestowitzand this point was often stressed beforeJun 29 08:20
schestowitz[05:10] <AVRS> but "38% of our employees are based outside the United States in one of 14 other countries (down from 39%)."Jun 29 08:21
schestowitzremote work is also dangerousJun 29 08:22
schestowitzthe way I see it, it is a stepping stoneJun 29 08:22
schestowitzno more offices with physical presenceJun 29 08:22
schestowitzso people are lodged in a box away somewhereJun 29 08:22
schestowitzand replacing them with cheaper labour somewhere else has zero direct impact on operationsJun 29 08:22
schestowitz3 layoff rounds at Microsoft this past month aloneJun 29 08:22
schestowitzMSN, Mixer, Stores.Jun 29 08:23
schestowitzIBM said it had put 95% at home workingJun 29 08:23
schestowitzit'll sack thousands shortly, it already named the states affected, only 5 US statesJun 29 08:23
schestowitzincluding NC, where RHT is predominantly based inc. the workforceJun 29 08:23
schestowitzMany people forget that...Jun 29 08:24
schestowitzbeing a well paid employeeJun 29 08:24
schestowitzmeans being an "Expensive" employeeJun 29 08:24
schestowitzwhich can in turn harm job securityJun 29 08:24
schestowitzthey aim to replace the seniors ones who wage as per the promotion ladder is "obscene"Jun 29 08:24
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schestowitzI am doing to do a mere about MS StoresJun 29 08:34
schestowitz*goingJun 29 08:34
schestowitz*memeJun 29 08:34
schestowitzI need to wake up properly, only had 2.5 hours of sleepJun 29 08:35
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DaemonFC[m]I can't imagine how they ever had retail stores or who would shop there.Jun 29 08:50
DaemonFC[m]Then again, that's most stuff at the mall.Jun 29 08:50
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: 29 08:50
schestowitznotice what they did there to workersJun 29 08:50
schestowitztelling them they're laid off, later on fridayJun 29 08:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Monday Without Microsoft Stores | TechrightsJun 29 08:51
schestowitznot sure what time exactly, maybe 5pm, maybe 7pmJun 29 08:51
schestowitzunethical and deeply cruelJun 29 08:51
schestowitzbut... that's Microsoft!Jun 29 08:51
schestowitzyou can see the timestamp, hang onJun 29 08:51
schestowitzlate friday news: 29 08:52
schestowitzoriginal from msft 29 08:52
schestowitzhmmm... it says the dateJun 29 08:52
DaemonFC[m]It gives them an out.Jun 29 08:52
schestowitznot the sameJun 29 08:52
DaemonFC[m]Blame the virus.Jun 29 08:52
schestowitzmaybe for a reason ;-)Jun 29 08:52
schestowitzyeah, I knowJun 29 08:52
schestowitzthat is what they did, see the second linkJun 29 08:53
schestowitzI 'corrected' the reportsJun 29 08:53
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: That's not just them. Those stores filing bankruptcy now all had problems well before this.Jun 29 08:53
schestowitzyeah, but...Jun 29 08:54
schestowitzthat does not mean they're somehow specialJun 29 08:54
schestowitzI am just pointing out their biz model is brokenJun 29 08:54
schestowitzour firm is mostly decentralised and home working since 2011Jun 29 08:54
schestowitzso to us the whole thing is like... OK... well, no change here, and... in fact, if you need people to monitor your biz 24/7 we're already experienced in that... no adaptation neededJun 29 08:55
schestowitzAmazon is not remote workingJun 29 08:56
schestowitzthey haveJun 29 08:56
schestowitz1) warehousesJun 29 08:56
schestowitz2) suppliersJun 29 08:56
schestowitz3) couriersJun 29 08:56
DaemonFC[m]I think the focus on consumer stuff is fading fast.Jun 29 08:56
schestowitzthey just brush under the carpet to what extend they're exposing their own people mostly to covid-10Jun 29 08:56
schestowitzcovid-19Jun 29 08:56
schestowitztim bray rage-quit the company over thisJun 29 08:56
DaemonFC[m]There's not much of a market for high end stuff with Windows.Jun 29 08:56
DaemonFC[m]Zune and their phone flopped.Jun 29 08:57
schestowitzthe receivers of parcels can leave the packages on the floor for a few days to let any remnants of viruses die offJun 29 08:57
schestowitzMicrosoft Azure is a failureJun 29 08:57
schestowitzaround for like over hald a decadfJun 29 08:57
schestowitzapparently still losing moneyJun 29 08:57
schestowitzand we don't really get told its real market shareJun 29 08:58
schestowitzafter much spam ('ads') and lies and astroturfed mediaJun 29 08:58
schestowitzaws is still 'king' or 'cloud'Jun 29 08:58
schestowitzor clown as we call itJun 29 08:58
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft plasters ads all over reddit.Jun 29 08:58
schestowitzamazon hardly even needed to advertise/spam its servicesJun 29 08:58
DaemonFC[m]Anyway, how can they be losing this much money for this long?Jun 29 08:58
schestowitzsee the followingJun 29 08:58
schestowitzand tell me your thoughts...:Jun 29 08:58
schestowitz 29 08:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft “Azure” (or “Cloud”) Results Are Most Likely an Elaborate Fraud | TechrightsJun 29 08:59
schestowitzbased on a Microsoft whistleblower and techrights ally: 29 08:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Azure Apparently Losing Money and Microsoft Lies to Shareholders, in Effect Breaking the Law | TechrightsJun 29 08:59
schestowitzthe corrporate media in MSFT's pocket says they have many cash reserves overseasJun 29 08:59
schestowitzbut I am sceptical of any such claimsJun 29 08:59
schestowitzthey show amazon, apple, google, microsoft etc.Jun 29 09:00
schestowitzsay they have like hundreds of billions in 'offshore assets'Jun 29 09:00
schestowitzbut for all we know those numbers may be based on calculations that aren't taking robbing execs into accountJun 29 09:00
schestowitzgates, ballmer etc. they probably do have their offshore accountsJun 29 09:01
schestowitzas for Microsoft, who knows what's really in its accounts, there might even be debtJun 29 09:01
schestowitzthe debtors won't tellJun 29 09:01
schestowitzmany companies like to talk about how much money they have in the bankJun 29 09:01
schestowitzeven if that money is loanedJun 29 09:01
schestowitzwe have our lessons from 2008Jun 29 09:02
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I think Apple is probably above water right now. I just don't know what Microsoft makes that anyone could possibly have a use for.Jun 29 09:04
NarratorwellJun 29 09:06
Narratoruncle sam will print some money ...Jun 29 09:07
schestowitzso savers will lose their money's valueJun 29 09:07
schestowitzthat's just punishing what's left of who's holding what's left of this economyJun 29 09:08
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: they lose loads of money on githubJun 29 09:08
schestowitzalso, I suppose linkedin suffers... hardly any new hiringsJun 29 09:08
schestowitz 29 09:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | When It Comes to Killing Businesses Microsoft Defends Its Crown | TechrightsJun 29 09:09
schestowitznow it's just the social control 'business'Jun 29 09:09
schestowitzwhich suffers ad boycottsJun 29 09:09
schestowitz[08:26] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): ● NEWS ● #Bloomberg #Surveillance ☞ #Starbucks to Pause Advertising on All #SocialControlMedia Platforms bad company, but GOOD move! []Jun 29 09:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot?Jun 29 09:10
schestowitz[08:26] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): ● NEWS ● #TheVerge #Surveillance ☞ #Starbucks is the latest big company to halt advertising on social media Jun 29 09:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | PleromaJun 29 09:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Starbucks to halt advertising on social media - The VergeJun 29 09:10
schestowitzRe: Inconsequential updateJun 29 09:13
schestowitz> Hi,Jun 29 09:14
schestowitz> Jun 29 09:14
schestowitz> Please find attached a piece which addresses our concerns:  "The GNU Project is Bleeding into Microsoft"Jun 29 09:14
schestowitz> Jun 29 09:14
schestowitz> Thomas GrzybowskiJun 29 09:14
schestowitz> Jun 29 09:14
schestowitz> Jun 29 09:14
schestowitz> Oh, the license is my usual, the  Attribution-ShareAlikeJun 29 09:14
schestowitz> CC BY-SA.Jun 29 09:14
schestowitz> Jun 29 09:14
schestowitz> TomJun 29 09:14
schestowitzgood, just got that long-awaited piece...Jun 29 09:14
DaemonFC[m]Pulling ads will hurt Facebook.  Promoting Trump has a price tag now.Jun 29 09:14
schestowitzThank you :-) I will try to come up with a suitable image/photoJun 29 09:14
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AVRSschestowitz: the issue is not diversity, but on what pretext the diversity propaganda starts, you know.Jun 29 12:20
schestowitzpublished 2 mins ago: 29 12:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | [Humour] Nothing Says Feminism Like Microsoft Corporation, JEDI Winner | TechrightsJun 29 12:22
AVRSschestowitz: and the consistency on itJun 29 12:22
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xwindowsyo wassup?Jun 29 12:23
AVRSschestowitz: how is the second part actually related to Microsoft?Jun 29 12:24
AVRSthe bottom partJun 29 12:24
xwindowsping ..Jun 29 12:28
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AVRSxwindows:pongJun 29 12:29
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schestowitzJEDIJun 29 12:29
schestowitzI left out a linkJun 29 12:29
schestowitzbut I added it to the titleJun 29 12:29
AVRSOK; I'm not really familiar with Star Wars.Jun 29 12:30
schestowitzit is not star warsJun 29 12:30
schestowitzit's offensive that pentagon thugs even called it 'JEDI"Jun 29 12:31
schestowitzas if war is a movie or entertainmentJun 29 12:31
schestowitzlook up "Microsoft JEDI"Jun 29 12:31
AVRSouch 29 12:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Joint Enterprise Defense Infrastructure - WikipediaJun 29 12:32
MinceRthere's also 29 12:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-JEDI-SDL : Pascal headers for SDL download | SourceForge.netJun 29 12:32
AVRSMicrosoft just was the one who won itJun 29 12:33
schestowitzGoogle quit the raceJun 29 12:34
schestowitzafter staff had protestedJun 29 12:34
schestowitzbut not Microsoft and AmazonJun 29 12:34
schestowitzOracle, IBM and Amazon competed for CIA contractsJun 29 12:34
schestowitzand it tells us a lot about those companies' cultureJun 29 12:34
AVRSMinceR: 29 12:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Jedi (disambiguation) - WikipediaJun 29 12:34
xwindowsIs it wise putting your defence infrastructure in the "cloud"Jun 29 12:35
schestowitzclown computingJun 29 12:35
xwindowshaaa ..Jun 29 12:35
schestowitzit's wise if you want to help your enemiesJun 29 12:35
schestowitzwe already hear about how PRC and GRU infiltrated computer systems of the US ArmyJun 29 12:35
xwindowsIt's just an excuse to spend loads of money ?Jun 29 12:35
schestowitzSo they thought, heck... might as well make it easierJun 29 12:36
schestowitzhelps keep Microsoft afloat on BlackBudgetJun 29 12:36
schestowitzSo they spread Windows back doors to users in Russia and ChinaJun 29 12:36
AVRSschestowitz: same about the US owning Russian state stuff since the USSR "fell apart"Jun 29 12:36
schestowitzAzure was dying, probably still is...Jun 29 12:37
schestowitzJEDI is like bailoutJun 29 12:37
AVRSthe most serious serious accusation was about there being a US embassy or something on the top floor of something financial.Jun 29 12:37
schestowitz 29 12:37
xwindowsBailout: state welfare ..Jun 29 12:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Looking to be ‘Bailed Out’ by Militarism, Imperialism, Racism and Fascism | TechrightsJun 29 12:37
schestowitzMicrosoft in a nutshell, the 'new Microsoft'Jun 29 12:37
schestowitzbut they have a Nadella CEO and some women in exec tier, so it's OKJun 29 12:38
schestowitznobody will accuse them of helping Trump, either...Jun 29 12:38
schestowitzThey even remove "master" from GitHubJun 29 12:38
schestowitzwhile helping ICEJun 29 12:38
xwindowsreplace master with "uber" :]Jun 29 12:38
AVRSschestowitz: and that "master" had no "slave"Jun 29 12:39
schestowitzunterJun 29 12:39
schestowitzmaybe the masterplan is just to irritate projectsJun 29 12:39
AVRSprobably just a "master copy"?Jun 29 12:39
schestowitzI bet those trolls masturbate to the outcome of their trolling over wordsJun 29 12:39
schestowitz[12:37] <xwindows> Bailout: state welfare ..Jun 29 12:40
schestowitzit's notJun 29 12:40
schestowitzit's lootingJun 29 12:40
schestowitzwith suits and suitcasesJun 29 12:40
schestowitzand private jetsJun 29 12:40
schestowitzand "lobbyists" and "campaign contributions"Jun 29 12:40
schestowitzthe real deal, the "professional" stuffJun 29 12:41
schestowitzdo it right... you might even become US President one day... :-) grab the White House by the Poo-PooJun 29 12:41
schestowitzmanaging your seventh bankruptcy, but this time with rifles and grenade launchers in DCJun 29 12:41
AVRS "I am an orphan and the use of the word "parent" also causes me significant trauma,"Jun 29 12:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Better words by richsalz · Pull Request #12089 · openssl/openssl · GitHubJun 29 12:42
xwindowsAll that urban pacification gear has to be paid for, by someone.Jun 29 12:42
AVRSIn a different project, somebody joked that since the word "robot" is based on "slave", it should be replaced… Not everyone understood the sarcasmJun 29 12:43
AVRSapparently.Jun 29 12:43
xwindowsI get triggered by master-slave flip-flop :]Jun 29 12:43
xwindowsrobotnik == worker in Check, I think ..Jun 29 12:44
xwindowsCzech ..Jun 29 12:44
schestowitz 29 12:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Offensive Words We Should Uproot and Eliminate From Technology | TechrightsJun 29 12:44
AVRSWell, Slavic work is a cognate of slavery anyway.Jun 29 12:45
schestowitzwork is usually a form of slaveryJun 29 12:45
AVRS"Slavic" also is said to be. :-)Jun 29 12:45
schestowitzsome are "enhanced slavery"Jun 29 12:45
XRevan86xwindows: It's that way in all Slavic languages.Jun 29 12:45
schestowitzlike "enhanced interrogation"Jun 29 12:45
xwindows 29 12:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-I Want To Be A Robot (Czechoslovakia 1986) - YouTubeJun 29 12:45
XRevan86xwindows: Except in South Slavic and Russian (OCS influence) it's rabotnik.Jun 29 12:45
schestowitzsweatshops, child labour etc.Jun 29 12:45
schestowitzprison labour Jun 29 12:46
XRevan86Technically, in Belarusian it's also "rabotnik", but the trick here is that it reflects vowel reduction in spelling.Jun 29 12:47
XRevan86i.e. akanyeJun 29 12:48
xwindowsWhy is this still happening: "UCSF forced to pay ransom to perpetrators of malware attack"Jun 29 12:48
xwindows 29 12:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-UCSF forced to pay ransom to perpetrators of malware attack | KTVU FOX 2Jun 29 12:48
xwindows .. back in five ..Jun 29 12:49
schestowitzkkJun 29 12:51
xwindowsguess what OS ...Jun 29 12:53
xwindowsIt's deja vu all over again .. I feel I'm stuck in "Ground Hog Day" Jun 29 12:54
xwindows"he university said it is working with a cyber-security consultant"Jun 29 12:55
xwindowsHaaaa .... haaaaHJun 29 12:55
schestowitz 29 12:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Qt Visual Studio Tools 2.5.2 ReleasedJun 29 12:56
schestowitznot so cute, qtJun 29 12:56
schestowitz #qt may soon become #ProprietarySoftware so hey, why not also get down on their knees and lick the #microsoft boot?Jun 29 12:56
xwindowsResistance is Futile!Jun 29 12:58
xwindows 29 13:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-UKCloud signs MoU with UK Government | TechMarketViewJun 29 13:02
xwindows 29 13:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | U.S. sent millions of face masks to China early this year, ignoring pandemic warning signs - The Washington PostJun 29 13:08
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xwindowshi there gde33Jun 29 13:11
oiaohmxwindows: sending the masks was not the problem its the lack of boarder control in response to pandemic notice.Jun 29 13:19
xwindowsIt's a shambles .. the problem is too much of government has been outsourced to the private sector.Jun 29 13:20
oiaohmEven when it has not been outsourced there has been major miss management.Jun 29 13:21
oiaohmAustralia has good examples of that.Jun 29 13:21
oiaohmLot of boarder control has got lazy over the years lightly lethal viruses.Jun 29 13:22
xwindowsThey were importing masks here and at the same time exporting them!Jun 29 13:23
xwindows 29 13:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Exclusive: Millions of pieces of PPE being shipped from Britain to Europe despite NHS shortagesJun 29 13:27
xwindows 29 13:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Coronavirus PPE: Gowns ordered from Turkey fail to meet safety standards - BBC NewsJun 29 13:28
xwindowsIt's clown city ..Jun 29 13:28
MinceR29 135530 < xwindows> "he university said it is working with a cyber-security consultant"Jun 29 13:31
MinceR 29 13:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Cyberpolitics Of Cyberbellicosity Cyberpushing Cybersecurity To Cyberprevent Cyberwar | TechdirtJun 29 13:31
xwindowsNice one .. from 2012 .. am i stuck in a closed time line ?Jun 29 13:33
MinceR¯\_(ツ)_/¯Jun 29 13:34
xwindowsWhat next, putting voting machines on the Internet?Jun 29 13:34
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MinceR:>Jun 29 13:35
xwindowsOh, wait, that already happened!Jun 29 13:35
MinceRand running Backdoors on themJun 29 13:35
xwindowsBut the machines are certified and run in the "Cloud" {Jun 29 13:36
xwindowsWho owns this: CIS Center for Internet Security:Jun 29 13:44
xwindows 29 13:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | CIS Hardened Images® – PlatformsJun 29 13:44
xwindowsOh, we get a video ..Jun 29 13:45
MinceRConfederacy of Independent Systems?Jun 29 13:45
xwindows"Delivering Security in the Cloud" .. on Azure :oJun 29 13:46
MinceRlolJun 29 13:46
xwindows 29 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-YouTubeJun 29 13:46
MinceRdelivering users from securityJun 29 13:46
xwindowsMore like CIS marketing waffleJun 29 13:48
xwindows"Available on AWS Marketplace including the AWS GovCloud (US) region"Jun 29 13:49
xwindowsback in ten ..Jun 29 13:50
xwindowsWhy do i need a CIS Hardened Images, if the "Cloud" is secure?Jun 29 13:57
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zoobabhiJun 29 17:38
zoobabI think Germany is abusing the Withdrawal Agreement to say they can ratify the UPC with UK in:Jun 29 17:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: UPC boosters are using the Withdrawal Agreement art6 to justify that Germany can sign the UPC by 31st dec?: "during… 29 17:39
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zoobab"during the transition period, the UK is treated as a Member State of the Union and of Euratom for the purposes of these international agreements." Jun 29 17:39
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zoobabsince UPC is not yet into force, it is not part of those "international agreements"Jun 29 17:40
schestowitzthey just lieJun 29 17:52
schestowitzmock themJun 29 17:52
schestowitzzoobab: a press release from ffii would be more effective then tweetsJun 29 17:53
schestowitzit would be visible and easy to locate years down the line, or even citeJun 29 17:53
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zoobabI need first to understand the legal reasoning behind itJun 29 19:03
zoobabbecause nobody have explained it publicly up to nowJun 29 19:03
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DaemonFC[m]> JEDI is like bailoutJun 29 19:28
DaemonFC[m]Bingo. If the US government relies on it then it must continue to work, so they'll steer other government contracts to Microsoft to make sure they don't go under.Jun 29 19:28
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DaemonFC[m]They want a central point of failure now, I guess. In the before time of the long long ago, they propped up AMD because they demanded two vendors of x86 in case Intel flopped and left them with a ton of software that still needed to run.Jun 29 19:30
DaemonFC[m]Now they want the Microsoft Clown as their central point of failure.Jun 29 19:30
DaemonFC[m]Of course the bizarre twist is that Intel now, basically, has flopped. The only one that sells x86 CPUs that aren't more bugs than good design is AMD. It's like that Austin Powers movie where Dr. Evil spends 20 minutes detailing his evil plans to hold the world hostage and Number Two keeps interrupting to tell him it already happened.Jun 29 19:32
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DaemonFC[m]Azure JEDI will fail and either crash hard, send classified documents to the Chinese, or both, because Microsoft has never bothered to make a good product or even hire a person who is capable. They're a company full of lawyers and evil snakes in business suits.Jun 29 19:35
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DaemonFC[m]The government never has done a Microsoft contract that worked right. They've always had to give up after wasting a metric assload of tax money and go with Linux instead after Windows strands an Arleigh Burke class Guided Missile Destroyer at port....or Chinese malware infests a Reaper Drone control system. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.Jun 29 19:38
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DaemonFC[m]I was.....amused at just how old some of the software the government/banking systems are on. There's apparently some servers in Congress that are on Solaris 8, and Wells Fargo Bank was using Solaris 8 and Windows 2000 past EOL (with support contracts).Jun 29 19:41
DaemonFC[m]Then somehow if they "upgrade" from Solaris 8/9 to Windows Server (current edition) everything that had been working fine, still, somehow, falls over dead.Jun 29 19:41
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schestowitz[19:28] <DaemonFC[m]> Bingo. If the US government relies on it then it must continue to work, so they'll steer other government contracts to Microsoft to make sure they don't go under.Jun 29 20:06
schestowitzGlad you agreeJun 29 20:06
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: just caught up with what you wrote. Well said.Jun 29 20:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Coronavirus Update (Live): 10,335,034 Cases and 506,097 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - WorldometerJun 29 20:07
DaemonFC[m]I'm not thrilled with Amazon, but if they're successful, it will badly wound Microsoft.Jun 29 20:08
DaemonFC[m]So something good comes of it.Jun 29 20:08
schestowitzyes, but...Jun 29 20:08
schestowitzRyan, bear in mind we're in it for the long haulJun 29 20:08
schestowitzif we replace Microsoft with a lesser evil it's like Biden for TrumpJun 29 20:08
schestowitzand then we're still dealing with his Iraq invasion, Wall Street bailouts, bribed-for copyright lawJun 29 20:09
DaemonFC[m]Well, I think JEDI will happen one way or another. The preferable way in that context is to watch Microsoft crash and burn.Jun 29 20:09
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schestowitzwe must not focus on one single company at the timeJun 29 20:09
schestowitzbut the concept and the underlying issuesJun 29 20:09
schestowitzotherwise you just deal with a punctured boat one hole at a timeJun 29 20:10
DaemonFC[m]It seems Amazon's lawsuit mostly focuses on corrupt and unfair bidding practices. None of that is new for Trump, of course. They give his campaign money and then they get a contract. Sometimes they file bankruptcy as soon as the ink is dry and then someone else has to do the work and get paid (again).Jun 29 20:10
DaemonFC[m]Happened with the Census too. The printing contract.Jun 29 20:10
schestowitzAWS has been swallowing a lot too and it's hurting stores where we can buy anonymously, try and touch the stuff before buyingJun 29 20:10
DaemonFC[m]Also the one to get power back on in Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria.Jun 29 20:10
schestowitznot to mention listening devices of Amazon, which seem to have slowed down because some people push bashJun 29 20:10
schestowitz*backJun 29 20:10
DaemonFC[m]JEDI is disgusting, but the bidding process is disgusting too.Jun 29 20:11
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: yes, that's the political angle of it allJun 29 20:11
schestowitzthen there's the bribesJun 29 20:11
DaemonFC[m]We're getting fucked by JEDI, as it's part of mass surveillance, but the government didn't even get a good deal on it.Jun 29 20:11
DaemonFC[m]Didn't even try to.Jun 29 20:11
DaemonFC[m]Trump is running the entire government as emoluments. He even rigged up Medicare to give seniors cheap insulin to shore up the 65+ vote.Jun 29 20:12
DaemonFC[m]This can't possibly get worse under Biden.Jun 29 20:12
schestowitzWe were gonna do an article about JEDIJun 29 20:12
DaemonFC[m]Companies like Microsoft thrive when a guy like Trump is around. There isn't even the pretense of a bidding process. The bidding is how big the check to Trump is.Jun 29 20:13
schestowitzthen some stupid university in London sort of muzzled our intern who had been working on a story about itJun 29 20:13
schestowitzand they just slandered me, tooJun 29 20:13
DaemonFC[m]Well, I think we need to talk about how we even got to where Microsoft got JEDI in the first place. Jun 29 20:13
schestowitzMicrosoft controls much of the election process this yearJun 29 20:13
schestowitzso they might even recipricateJun 29 20:13
DaemonFC[m]Trump's corrupt "government as emoluments" "bidding" process.Jun 29 20:13
schestowitzreciprocate Jun 29 20:13
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DaemonFC[m]As far as COVID-19, it's possible that the death rate going forward could go down because it already killed many people who were the most likely to die of it.Jun 29 20:17
DaemonFC[m]That's not to say that the numbers will be small, just that it will take more cases being diagnosed to have the same number ultimately die.Jun 29 20:17
DaemonFC[m]Consider that it's killed about 400 people in Lake County, IL and that about 70% of them were in nursing homes.Jun 29 20:18
DaemonFC[m]If this virus was spreading through Nazi Germany, they'd be about as indifferent to it as Trump.Jun 29 20:18
DaemonFC[m]They would have already "compassionately killed" most of the same people the virus would have to save taxpayer money.Jun 29 20:19
DaemonFC[m]It wouldn't have a high death toll, because the Nazis just killed anyone who was a burden to the state. Jun 29 20:19
MinceRlightly killedJun 29 20:20
MinceR"Oh, we use only the finest baby frogs, dew-picked and flown from Iraq, cleansed in the finest quality spring water, lightly killed, and sealed in a succulent, Swiss, quintuple-smooth, treble-milk chocolate envelope, and lovingly frosted with glucose."Jun 29 20:20
DaemonFC[m]You can see how much like Nazi Germany a particular US state is by proxy of how severe the shutdown was there. Some governors just brushed it aside and never did anything. All Republicans.Jun 29 20:20
DaemonFC[m]What shocked me is how quickly Mississippi moved to remove the Confederate Battle Flag from their state flag. Then I saw why.Jun 29 20:21
DaemonFC[m]The voters can approve a new flag design, but it must say "In God We Trust" somewhere on it.Jun 29 20:22
DaemonFC[m]If they vote it down, then it goes back to the commission, but it still has to say "In God We Trust".Jun 29 20:22
DaemonFC[m]If I lived there, I'd keep rejecting the new flag. The current state flag loses its official status immediately when the bill is signed, so as long as voters keep rejecting the new ones, there is no flag. So there's no Confederate Flag, and no In God We Trust flag.Jun 29 20:23
DaemonFC[m]Vote to reject it. Keep doing that.Jun 29 20:23
DaemonFC[m]In theory, there's never a new state flag and people can just keep saying no forever.Jun 29 20:23
MinceRcan you find room along all the sponsors' logos/names?Jun 29 20:24
MinceRhow much can this "god" afford to pay annually to have his name on there?Jun 29 20:24
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: They think that they can get God on the flag because people are repulsed by the stars and bars, but the stars and bars are gone as soon as the bill becomes law.Jun 29 20:25
DaemonFC[m]So you're not voting to keep it.Jun 29 20:25
DaemonFC[m]I doubt people are that smart.Jun 29 20:26
DaemonFC[m]Plus black people adopted the religion of their slavers and seem to take it seriously.Jun 29 20:26
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DaemonFC[m]It's kind of ridiculous that they're pulling down Christopher Columbus statues and they're staying in a church established by their slavers to legitimize owning people, raping them, and beating them for insolence.Jun 29 20:28
DaemonFC[m]That bible has done a lot more damage than the Confederate flag ever did.Jun 29 20:29
DaemonFC[m]Why would slaves, freed slaves at that, foist the religion of their oppressors onto their children. If there' a generational curse, it's Southern Baptists.Jun 29 20:30
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: same thing happened in PHJun 29 20:30
DaemonFC[m]All these years later, the government is still throwing guns at them six ways to Sunday so they'll murder and prey on each other and then pray that God will be merciful. Fucking horseshit. Jun 29 20:31
schestowitzThe conquerors made the colonised even more devour Catholics than the occupying forceJun 29 20:31
schestowitz*devoutJun 29 20:31
schestowitz[20:29] <DaemonFC[m]> That bible has done a lot more damage than the Confederate flag ever did.Jun 29 20:32
schestowitzThe flag is emancipated or derived from religious dogma as justifierJun 29 20:32
schestowitznot everyone took the Bible to mean the same thingJun 29 20:32
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schestowitzso the flag is one particular aspect of Holy Book/CrookJun 29 20:32
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, the church is a blunt tool of colonization and slavery. It has a really bad legacy, and why would free people stick to that?Jun 29 20:35
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DaemonFC[m]It's ignorance. Jun 29 20:35
MinceRone generation brainwashes the nextJun 29 20:36
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DaemonFC[m]John mentioned how superstitious black people are.Jun 29 20:38
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, many are almost as bad about that as my mom.Jun 29 20:38
DaemonFC[m]Hmm, probably need to get an oil change soon. I was hoping to put this off until the Coronavirus calms down.Jun 29 20:39
DaemonFC[m]It appears that things are, in fact, about to calm up. (Teal'c)Jun 29 20:40
DaemonFC[m]Maybe if we give Trump another 4 years it'll be full on Walking Dead and I can just take any car I want.Jun 29 20:40
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: this is class relatedJun 29 20:43
schestowitzeconomicsJun 29 20:43
schestowitzaccess to higher edJun 29 20:43
schestowitznot a "black" thingJun 29 20:43
schestowitzthe superstition is superfluous where people lack understanding of some sciences because they can reconcile the delusions within themsekvesJun 29 20:43
schestowitzcheck which states in the US have many atheistsJun 29 20:43
schestowitzmore likely to be found where rents are high and jobs are more 'sophisticated'Jun 29 20:44
schestowitzlike "bay area"Jun 29 20:44
schestowitzfancy name for SF areaJun 29 20:44
schestowitz[20:46] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): How quickly we are to remove words and statues that represent #slavery and not the 'holy' books that justified (and to some degree continue to justify) slavery. Because that would be "intolerant"... []Jun 29 20:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LXer: Just one notice : Linux Mint 20 “Ulyana” Is Now Available for Download, Here’s What’s NewJun 29 21:00
schestowitz"Jun 29 21:00
schestowitzJun 27, 2020Jun 29 21:00
schestowitz3:47 AM EDT I experienced one issue attempting to install Mint 20 as KVM guest. Jun 29 21:01
schestowitz"Jun 29 21:01
schestowitzlxer forums mostly dead these daysJun 29 21:01
schestowitzmaybe 10 posts per month, 3 topicsJun 29 21:01
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oiaohm  this is going to be fun for web development.Jun 29 22:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Apple Strong-Arms Entire CA Industry Into One-Year Certificate Lifespans - SlashdotJun 29 22:02
DaemonFC[m]The idea is that bad ones that CAs won't get around to revoking expire faster.Jun 29 22:03
DaemonFC[m]I think it would be better to just de-list CAs that have a bad habit of doing that from the browser's certificate store.Jun 29 22:03
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DaemonFC[m]The credit card company sent Mandy his first statement and they got his middle initial wrong.Jun 29 22:05
schestowitzso?Jun 29 22:05
MinceRi think it would be better to replace this ridiculous PKI system with something that's more likely to workJun 29 22:06
MinceRlike Web of TrustJun 29 22:06
schestowitz31,274 new cases and 227 new deaths in the United StatesJun 29 22:06
schestowitzit'll be over 40k again todayJun 29 22:06
DaemonFC[m]Eh, crappy banks. This is the company that basically sends cards out to people's dogs.Jun 29 22:06
schestowitzbased on how prior days added up by 9amJun 29 22:06
schestowitz9pm ratherJun 29 22:06
DaemonFC[m]They don't really even worry about their sloppiness because it's easier to eat a few bad accounts than not send out tons of cards to people.Jun 29 22:07
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: cardboard boxes for their poopJun 29 22:07
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: really you don't need revoking that much if life span is short enough.    This brings  it back to 1 year from how ever long needing to check revoke lists.   I wounder how long until max life span of a TLS matches the Let's Encrypt  90 days.Jun 29 22:07
schestowitzthose card are very cheap to mass-produce Jun 29 22:07
schestowitzand bits of plastic make some people feel special and importantJun 29 22:08
DaemonFC[m]Getting things right would mean issuing way fewer accounts and they'd make less money.Jun 29 22:08
schestowitzlike people who walk around with keychains that have 30 keys on themJun 29 22:08
schestowitz20 of which no longer work with anything and 8 probably barely used for anythingJun 29 22:08
schestowitzall they really need is front door+carkeysJun 29 22:08
oiaohmReally that one of sending out cards to what and who ever changed here in Australia when a person won in court that it had to be a gift so never had to be paid back.Jun 29 22:08
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: This one makes our groceries cheaper as long as we shop online.Jun 29 22:09
schestowitzdrop the purse, leave the massive keychain home, your stupid "smart' phone impresses nobody either :-)Jun 29 22:09
schestowitzthey don't send cards hereJun 29 22:09
schestowitzthey send only offers of cardsJun 29 22:10
DaemonFC[m]Apparently, some restaurant owner successfully argued in Chicago bankruptcy court that a Force Majeur clause his landlord slipped into his lease protected him from paying his rent.Jun 29 22:10
DaemonFC[m]Well played!Jun 29 22:10
schestowitzso you need to ask for one to establish consent, I assume... I get those like a dozen times a year... at least half a dozenJun 29 22:10
DaemonFC[m]*Force majeure ratherJun 29 22:10
DaemonFC[m]Basically, the landlord slipped it in there to abdicate their responsibility if the government made it impossible to operate, but the way it was worded actually protected the tenant too.Jun 29 22:11
DaemonFC[m]I'm sure the boilerplate will be changed to only protect landlords from now on.Jun 29 22:12
DaemonFC[m]So the restaurant filed Chapter 11, and the landlord files an adversarial proceeding against them wanting to be exempted from the automatic stay so they could continue to collect rent.Jun 29 22:13
DaemonFC[m]The tenant successfully argued that, bankruptcy or no bankruptcy, that clause made it impossible for them to perform their duty to pay rent due to government interference with the business creating exceptional circumstances.Jun 29 22:14
DaemonFC[m]Basically, the court agreed and they do not owe rent from now until the lease expires.Jun 29 22:14
DaemonFC[m]Unless they can successfully operate at a profit at some point without a Coronavirus lockdown interfering with that.Jun 29 22:15
DaemonFC[m]This is going to be funny. Landlords usually aren't legal experts and resort to boilerplate contracts that even they don't understand.Jun 29 22:16
DaemonFC[m]I was getting ready to deal with an AP involving Joy, because she's such an asshole, but she didn't show up.Jun 29 22:17
DaemonFC[m]I was getting ready for her to start complaining about her pipes blowing up twice.Jun 29 22:18
DaemonFC[m]I had a counter argument prepared that went, "I informed her that the back door was hanging open numerous times, we lived in the basement and didn't even use the back door to get to the laundry area. She has it in her deranged mind, that due to her extreme dislike of me, that we had something to do with her idiot tenants upstairs leaving the door open at subzero temperatures and blowing up her pipes. I demand proofJun 29 22:20
DaemonFC[m]that we were responsible for this. I deny any responsibility for her tenants' actions and her incompetence. "Jun 29 22:20
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oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: there is a basic of contract law "The terms of the agreement are impossible to fulfill or too vague to understand" this automatically voids contract.   Force Majeure in contract is to prevent this from triggering.   Force Majeure in contract does not allow you to take money without providing either or the contract comes under Fraud law.Jun 29 22:21
oiaohmand illegal contracts due to Fraud are also void contracts.Jun 29 22:21
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oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: I don't really see any way to have a Force Majeure clause rental agreement contract that does not result in both parties not getting what they want and be legal.   The basics that you cannot receive money for service/item not provided is kind of nail in coffin here.Jun 29 22:25
oiaohmMaybe in future land lords with skip putting Force Majeure clauses in and let the contract void so they can kick person out.Jun 29 22:26
DaemonFC[m]That would not work.Jun 29 22:26
DaemonFC[m]The governor has invoked the Illinois Emergency Management Act and issued an emergency order that there are to be no evictions until the state is fully reopened.Jun 29 22:27
DaemonFC[m]So you wait, file Chapter 11, say your business is not viable if you have to pay back rent for the months you couldn't operate, and then the bankruptcy court probably agrees and voids the back rent. Jun 29 22:28
DaemonFC[m]Isn't the law great?Jun 29 22:28
oiaohmTechnically kicking a person out due to void contract is not a eviction is removing a general trespasser.  Jun 29 22:28
DaemonFC[m]So there's a combination of emergency declarations and bankruptcy code and contract law here that give that tenant relief in some form in any event and screw the landlord.Jun 29 22:29
DaemonFC[m]Oh, you're wrong there too.Jun 29 22:29
DaemonFC[m]Under Illinois law, you have to evict a squatter too, and they can stay there until the court orders them out and the Sheriff enforces the ruling, and Sheriff Dart is not enforcing any evictions.Jun 29 22:30
DaemonFC[m]"The court has made their decision. Now let them enforce it."Jun 29 22:30
DaemonFC[m]They have no enforcement arm on evictions right now, so you can get the ruling, but you can't force them out until the Sheriff goes back to enforcing evictions that were exempted from the order.Jun 29 22:31
oiaohmI know under Australian law the voided contract route the person is not a squatter or a tenant.   So you are looking for the government written Force Majeure in the rental agreement.Jun 29 22:31
oiaohmTo prevent that.Jun 29 22:32
DaemonFC[m]The Sheriff isn't being nice to people. He doesn't want his deputies getting COVID-19 from enforcing evictions on people.Jun 29 22:32
DaemonFC[m]So there's a halt on it on top of the governor's order.Jun 29 22:32
oiaohmwith Australia with voided contract private security can be used.Jun 29 22:32
DaemonFC[m]I would recommend staying put and not paying rent until it's obvious that the moratorium is about to end, and then filing bankruptcy.Jun 29 22:33
DaemonFC[m]Your landlord can't get an eviction during bankruptcy and if they have one, they can't enforce it while the bankruptcy is going through unless they get relief from the Trustee.Jun 29 22:33
oiaohmIt would be worth checking the finer points in the Illinois law just to make sure that loop hole does not exist on you if you don't have a standard Force Majeure clause.Jun 29 22:33
DaemonFC[m]It's better to block them from going to court in the first place until the bankruptcy is over.Jun 29 22:33
DaemonFC[m]Bankruptcy filing voids out court proceedings that are currently underway.Jun 29 22:34
DaemonFC[m]They have to drop the lawsuit and sue you again later if the debt ends up surviving the bankruptcy somehow.Jun 29 22:34
oiaohmI did not think Bankruptcy voided criminal actions like charges for being trespasser.Jun 29 22:36
oiaohmAs I said loop hole on the Australian side.    If you are using Australian government created bond system you have a Force Majeure clause that prevents that.Jun 29 22:37
schestowitz+34,771 cases in US now. It'll be over 40k again.Jun 29 22:37
oiaohmYes you see private rental here attempt to skip out on using the bond system.Jun 29 22:38
oiaohmTo make it simpler to remove people.Jun 29 22:38
oiaohmOf course most renters here are not stupid enough to fall for it.Jun 29 22:38
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oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: something else you you have the criminal charge there for company existing while known insolvent.Jun 29 22:43
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: or not.Jun 29 22:43
DaemonFC[m]Trespassing and squatting are legally different in Illinois.Jun 29 22:45
DaemonFC[m]Squatting actually isn't a crime. It's considered the owner's obligation to notice people on their property in a timely manner. If they've taken up residence, it becomes a civil matter, and sometimes they can even take you to court and take your deed.Jun 29 22:46
DaemonFC[m]It's called Adverse Possession.Jun 29 22:46
oiaohmHere in Australia you would not be able to legally wait until grace is up on no evictions if company.   First step voluntary administration does legally have to be taken here once trading insolvent.Jun 29 22:47
DaemonFC[m]If they've been living there, it's their legal address, and they have been paying the property taxes on it, you could end up losing it to them.Jun 29 22:47
DaemonFC[m]Adverse Possession doesn't exist in all states.Jun 29 22:48
DaemonFC[m]It does in Illinois and Indiana.Jun 29 22:48
DaemonFC[m]It's rare, but it happens.Jun 29 22:49
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: Australian laws  Tenant,  Trespassing and Squatting are 3 different things.  Jun 29 22:49
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DaemonFC[m]Yeah, you really have to wonder how many Adverse Possessions are going to happen.Jun 29 22:50
DaemonFC[m]Illinois drove people out with high taxes and put thousands of homes on the market that were not selling, before this.Jun 29 22:50
oiaohmSquatting under Australia law done right can legally get you ownership of the property.Jun 29 22:50
DaemonFC[m]I'm sure some of those houses have squatters now. The utilities don't check your deed before they hook you up.Jun 29 22:51
oiaohmEven if the party is paying their taxes.Jun 29 22:51
DaemonFC[m]So if you squat, don't pay their taxes.Jun 29 22:53
DaemonFC[m]:)Jun 29 22:53
DaemonFC[m]Squat while paying their taxes is a gamble here, but if you get away with it, you could end up owning their house for whatever the taxes cost you for those years.Jun 29 22:53
DaemonFC[m]Also, if you do get caught, you weren't out much, because the Democrat rent starts out at $1,100 for a studio each month.Jun 29 22:54
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]:  What form of Adverse Possession does Illinois have.    The Australia one could apply in current case been renting for like 12+ and the contract you rented under has turned out to be void.Jun 29 22:54
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oiaohmand the result is you would then own where you are.Jun 29 22:55
oiaohmIf you are renting a properity here you want to avoid the possibility of voided contract at all costs.Jun 29 22:56
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oiaohmas the person owning the properity of course.Jun 29 22:56
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