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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Dell’s new web page makes finding Linux laptops and desktops easier http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128642 [https://pleroma.site/objects/34303b42-71fd-42a7-97e9-8b3d10149b0e]Sep 29 00:37
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128643 [https://pleroma.site/objects/15aeb77a-1356-4fb4-a9fc-4fff927aa0af]Sep 29 00:39
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DarwinElffirst RMS said he's remaining as head of GNU Project because it's not the same as FSF... now a few days later he said he stepped down as head of GNU... is the theory he was pressured/ordered by bad actors?Sep 29 00:55
r_schestowitzwowSep 29 00:55
r_schestowitzlink?Sep 29 00:55
DarwinElfit's on stallman.orgSep 29 00:55
DarwinElfhis news (political?) sectionSep 29 00:55
DarwinElfboth noticesSep 29 00:56
DarwinElfi don't want it to be taken over by a Lennart/Redhat/IBM yesmanSep 29 00:59
MinceRrms turned into that anywaySep 29 01:00
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r_schestowitzhttps://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#28_September_2019_(GNU_Project)Sep 29 01:11
r_schestowitzI hereby step down as head of the GNU Project, effective immediately.Sep 29 01:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2019: July - October Political Notes - Richard StallmanSep 29 01:11
r_schestowitzRichard StallmanSep 29 01:11
*r_schestowitz doing an article about thisSep 29 01:17
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r_schestowitzRe: You following the Gates Foundation stuff in Kashmir?Sep 29 01:41
r_schestowitz>> No, please tell me more and give me linksSep 29 01:41
r_schestowitzI came across this. I might mention it later.Sep 29 01:41
r_schestowitzhttps://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/26/opinion/modi-gates-award.htmlSep 29 01:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Opinion | Why I Resigned From the Gates Foundation - The New York TimesSep 29 01:41
r_schestowitzhttps://qz.com/1714568/why-is-the-gates-foundations-award-to-narendra-modi-controversial/Sep 29 01:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-qz.com | Why is the Gates Foundation's award to Narendra Modi controversial? — QuartzSep 29 01:41
cubexyzwhere's oiaohm these days... haven't seen him in a whileSep 29 01:58
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Shortly After Richard Stallman Says He's Head of GNU He Writes “I Hereby Step Down as Head of the GNU Project, Effective Immediately” http://techrights.org/2019/09/28/rms-being-canceled/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/451bc1c3-f885-4c3c-81e4-b4090824821d]Sep 29 02:01
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DarwinElfr_schestowitz, there's a small error in the new article,  MinceR said RMS, not IBM, turned into that anywaySep 29 02:40
r_schestowitzoopsSep 29 02:41
r_schestowitzcorrectedSep 29 02:41
r_schestowitzlolSep 29 02:41
r_schestowitzHow could I type IBM?Sep 29 02:41
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Will #BillGates Bribes to the Leader of #India Harm India's #GNU / #Linux Adoption and Will Gates Ever be Held Accountable for His Many Crimes? http://techrights.org/2019/09/28/gates-above-the-law/ #kashmir [https://pleroma.site/objects/de8bb1ad-94fa-4dc6-bb4c-5bea9a246ed9]Sep 29 03:00
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Very confusing times; it looks like Richard Stallman is being forcibly separated from everything he ever created as well as the place of those creations (MIT) http://techrights.org/2019/09/28/rms-being-canceled/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/331fb02d-8aaa-4fae-a5f7-7dbac9143067]Sep 29 03:03
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Peter Bengtsson: How much faster is Redis at storing a blob of JSON compared to PostgreSQL? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128644 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a8a99cd2-8f5a-4497-9037-cd8ff030c1ab]Sep 29 03:21
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128645 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a5d03064-8bd1-495d-88e7-4ebc916d181b]Sep 29 03:22
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: FreeBSD 12.1-BETA2 Now Available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128646 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a09375c9-4ee7-468f-b0e6-fd701329e50d]Sep 29 03:41
insmodppar_schestowitz: There seems to be a fair amount of talk on random forums about Salesforce being involved in the RMS nonsense. Plugging it into a search engine returns a Twitter user called "Sarah Mei" along with relevant articles and chatter.Sep 29 03:56
insmodppaThere's even one techrights link filed under "In praise of developers who delete code" (9/1/19). Looks like code isn't the only thing some people are deleting......Sep 29 03:56
DaemonFC[m]https://blogs.gnome.org/mcatanzaro/2019/05/24/dear-ubuntu-please-stop-packaging-epiphany-if-you-wont-do-it-properly/Sep 29 04:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org | Dear Ubuntu: Please Stop Packaging Epiphany If You Won’t Do It Properly – Michael CatanzaroSep 29 04:12
insmodppar_schestowitz: RMS' site may have been tampered with. Some dicussion elsewhere noted that the link to the "donate to the Free Software Foundation" leads to a youtube video as seen in this snapshot (it has since been fixed): https://archive.is/Yya6g . It might be a good idea to contact him regarding the two "step down" notices (one recent, other was his "remain" post edited) on his site to clear things up.Sep 29 04:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | Richard Stallman's Personal PageSep 29 04:35
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DaemonFC[m]https://blogs.gnome.org/mcatanzaro/2019/06/09/on-ubuntu-updates/Sep 29 05:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org | On Ubuntu Updates – Michael CatanzaroSep 29 05:15
DaemonFC[m]"I would say the Mint developers are not even trying, but they actually just inherit this mess from Ubuntu."Sep 29 05:16
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DarwinElfyeah, I mean why *would* GUI OS developers even try?  If they were writing an OS that boots to command-line, they might be tryingSep 29 06:06
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Towards Plasma 5.18 and KDE Itinerary Report http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128647 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5191ef15-2a9c-4495-a893-db2eb08dc3c0]Sep 29 07:15
r_schestowitzhttps://share.naturalnews.com/posts/76369750c4ad0137b1ad0cc47a07853c#abba5a00c4ae013752650cc47a07853cSep 29 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-share.naturalnews.com | the gnu resignation notice is goneSep 29 07:26
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 07:26
r_schestowitzThe link (the anchor portion of the link) is now dead:Sep 29 07:26
r_schestowitzFrom the Phoronix article: https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#28_September_2019_(GNU_Project)Sep 29 07:26
r_schestowitzThis no longer mentions resigning from GNU. It did previously: http://archive.is/36JgxSep 29 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2019: July - October Political Notes - Richard StallmanSep 29 07:26
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | 2019: July - October Political Notes - Richard StallmanSep 29 07:26
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 07:26
r_schestowitzthe gnu resignation notice is goneSep 29 07:26
r_schestowitzthis was the link:Sep 29 07:26
r_schestowitzhttps://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#28_September_2019_(GNU_Project)Sep 29 07:26
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 07:26
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security: Linux LOCKDOWN, Yahoo Compensation and Backdoor Shell in Python http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128648 [https://pleroma.site/objects/42059838-0c86-40ff-a79a-5c4b23e14d05]Sep 29 07:33
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Top 15 Best IoT Operating System For Your IoT Devices in 2019 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128649 [https://pleroma.site/objects/65573ace-dbfe-4cd1-83cc-2be6dd9f1145]Sep 29 07:43
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Phoronix: IO_uring, Speculative Execution, Encode/Decode Benchmark http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128650 [https://pleroma.site/objects/133d6530-13a2-44f2-a7c0-9ee03740a5cd]Sep 29 07:49
r_schestowitzhttps://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxNewsToday/comments/dap95j/shortly_after_richard_stallman_says_hes_head_of/Sep 29 07:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Shortly After Richard Stallman Says He's Head of GNU He Writes “I Hereby Step Down as Head of the GNU Project, Effective Immediately” : LinuxNewsTodaySep 29 07:56
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games Under Wine (Steam Play), New Wine-Staging, Best Virtual Machine Software http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128651 [https://pleroma.site/objects/17cab8bd-e1b8-4b07-8d63-a3d6871585b1]Sep 29 08:03
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos and programming bits http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128652 [https://pleroma.site/objects/40a67a90-1ee8-4aa2-9508-1664250b47ec]Sep 29 08:06
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128653 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7002bc29-803c-4faf-bc08-032723dbba67]Sep 29 08:37
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128654 [https://pleroma.site/objects/78837ef5-c051-458e-9c04-8eb9d75d0d0f]Sep 29 08:45
r_schestowitz-viera/#techrights- Tux Machines: Will #BillGates Bribes to the Leader of #India Harm India's #GNU / #Linux Adoption and Will Gates Ever be Held Accountable for His Many Crimes? http://techrights.org/2019/09/28/gates-above-the-law/ #kashmir [https://pleroma.site/objects/de8bb1ad-94fa-4dc6-bb4c-5bea9a246ed9]Sep 29 08:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Will Bill Gates’ Bribes to the Leader of India Harm India’s GNU/Linux Adoption and Will Gates Ever be Held Accountable for His Many Crimes? | TechrightsSep 29 08:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | PleromaSep 29 08:47
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 29/9/2019: Happy Birthday to LibreOffice and FreeBSD 12.1 Beta 2 http://techrights.org/2019/09/29/happy-birthday-to-libreoffice/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/2679a03f-d53f-48a0-b07a-ccf70f7e2202]Sep 29 08:55
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r_schestowitz> Funny how this is on arsmicrosoftica..Sep 29 09:14
r_schestowitz> Sep 29 09:14
r_schestowitz> Sent from my iPhoneSep 29 09:14
r_schestowitz> Sep 29 09:14
r_schestowitz> On Sep 28, 2019, at 7:55 PM, xxxxx> wrote:Sep 29 09:14
r_schestowitz> Sep 29 09:14
r_schestowitz>> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/02/linus-torvalds-i-will-not-change-linux-to-deep-throat-microsoft/Sep 29 09:14
r_schestowitz>>Sep 29 09:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Linus Torvalds: I will not change Linux to “deep-throat Microsoft” | Ars TechnicaSep 29 09:14
r_schestowitz>> Sent from my iPhoneSep 29 09:14
r_schestowitzRe: Get out your popcorn!Sep 29 09:14
r_schestowitzRe: we need stallmans email again> as soon as possible.Sep 29 09:18
r_schestowitzRe: would you put your email address on your website?Sep 29 09:18
r_schestowitz> now that youve stepped down from gnu (we are shocked about this, this is simply wrong) its unclear if your email will remain rms@gnu.orgSep 29 09:18
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r_schestowitz> Sep 29 09:18
r_schestowitz> perhaps it will be rms@stallman.org or stallman@stallman.orgSep 29 09:18
r_schestowitz> Sep 29 09:18
r_schestowitz> whatever it is (even if it stays the same) please consider putting it on the front page of your website. dont forget, you have a lot of people on your side.Sep 29 09:18
r_schestowitz> Sep 29 09:18
r_schestowitz> long live hacking!Sep 29 09:18
r_schestowitz> Read the Salesforce WP article> Founded by former Oracle execSep 29 09:20
r_schestowitz> Sep 29 09:20
r_schestowitz> Connections to Customs/BPSep 29 09:20
r_schestowitz> Sep 29 09:20
r_schestowitz> Read criticisms sectionSep 29 09:20
r_schestowitzSomeone told me they may be indirectly behind the attack on RMS.Sep 29 09:20
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/lohang/status/1178219567652511745Sep 29 09:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lohang: @schestowitz He appears to have withdrawn the post. It is no longer there. https://t.co/QWU9g7mdMeSep 29 09:22
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kaniinir_schestowitz: stallman.org was defaced by an FSF employeeSep 29 11:01
kaniinithe deface has been reverted, and the domain appears to now be operating on non-FSF infrastructureSep 29 11:02
r_schestowitzI will issue an update, thanks kaniiniSep 29 11:09
MinceRlolSep 29 11:10
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r_schestowitzkaniini: you know which employee?Sep 29 11:22
kaniininopeSep 29 11:22
r_schestowitzor what motivated it?Sep 29 11:22
r_schestowitzgnu cppyrights?Sep 29 11:22
r_schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/fsf-gnu.pngSep 29 11:22
r_schestowitzfor my next post, from wikipediaSep 29 11:22
kaniinii ust know that stallman.org was defacedSep 29 11:22
kaniiniand the deface was revertedSep 29 11:22
kaniiniand now stallman.org is not hosted on FSF servers (it was before)Sep 29 11:23
kaniinigiven that stallman.org is basically 100% html, no php or whateverSep 29 11:23
kaniinithat means it pretty much had to be an inside jobSep 29 11:23
r_schestowitzwhat I thiought tooSep 29 11:25
r_schestowitz[04:34] <insmodppa> r_schestowitz: RMS' site may have been tampered with. Some dicussion elsewhere noted that the link to the "donate to the Free Software Foundation" leads to a youtube video as seen in this snapshot (it has since been fixed): https://archive.is/Yya6g . It might be a good idea to contact him regarding the two "step down" notices (one recent, other was his "remain" post edited) on his site to clear things up.Sep 29 11:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | Richard Stallman's Personal PageSep 29 11:25
r_schestowitzI was going to say, it's all staticSep 29 11:25
r_schestowitzso seemed unlikely, unless the whole FS got compromisedSep 29 11:25
r_schestowitzFS as in filesystem, not free softwareSep 29 11:25
XRevan86kaniini: It's running some old software, so it could be a hack still. Even if not through CGI.Sep 29 11:26
kaniiniXRevan86: i was born, but it wasn't yesterdaySep 29 11:26
kaniinimorale inside FSF re: stallman was already quite lowSep 29 11:27
kaniinithe most simple explanation is most likely, etc :)Sep 29 11:27
XRevan86kaniini: But Debian Wheezy, come onSep 29 11:31
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: FSF May Not be Trustworthy Anymore, It's Believed/Said to Have Just Defaced Richard Stallman's Personal Web Site http://techrights.org/2019/09/29/fsf-defaced-rms/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/b97ae6a0-11a3-4dbe-aac6-2d0d0c0c44fe]Sep 29 11:33
r_schestowitzkaniini:  ^^Sep 29 11:33
r_schestowitzwish I knew RMS' take on itSep 29 11:34
r_schestowitzhe;s slow to reply to emailSep 29 11:34
r_schestowitzdoes FSF do hosting onsite?Sep 29 11:34
kaniinii don't know, i think MIT provide their infrastructure stillSep 29 11:36
kaniinifsf.org is pointed to an IP address on HE.netSep 29 11:36
kaniiniperhaps they colo with HESep 29 11:36
XRevan86https://cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list.php?vendor_id=45&product_id=66&version_id=142323 hard to say which of those are still applicable, but at least some of them have to be.Sep 29 11:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cvedetails.com | Apache Http Server version 2.2.22 : Security vulnerabilitiesSep 29 11:38
kaniiniFSF operate on their own ASN (22989)Sep 29 11:38
kaniiniHE provided a /24 to them.Sep 29 11:39
XRevan86https://deb.freexian.com/extended-lts/updates/ela-117-1-apache2/ unless they have the ELTS repo added.Sep 29 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-deb.freexian.com | ELA-117-1 apache2 security updateSep 29 11:40
kaniinithey peer with AS 6939 (HE) and AS 19551 according to my BGP tableSep 29 11:40
kaniiniXRevan86: neither of those CVEs would result in filesystem write accessSep 29 11:41
r_schestowitzthe server just served files, static onesSep 29 11:41
zoobabpogSep 29 11:41
zoobabpongSep 29 11:41
r_schestowitzdefacing would be simple with ssh access, even rms associate whom he might not trust anymoreSep 29 11:42
r_schestowitzI reckon some people in fsf had ssh (or similar) accessSep 29 11:42
r_schestowitzzoobab: yoSep 29 11:42
kaniinibasically, there's two explanations that are plausibleSep 29 11:42
kaniini(1) an FSF person was disgruntled and fucked with the siteSep 29 11:42
XRevan86https://deb.freexian.com/extended-lts/updates/ela-99-1-libssh2/Sep 29 11:42
XRevan86> A remote attacker who compromised an SSH server could have been able to execute code on the client system when a user connected to the server.Sep 29 11:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-deb.freexian.com | ELA-99-1 libssh2 security updateSep 29 11:42
XRevan86closer?Sep 29 11:42
kaniini(2) one of RMS's own website volunteers fucked with itSep 29 11:42
kaniiniXRevan86: why?Sep 29 11:43
r_schestowitzthe timing was interestingSep 29 11:43
r_schestowitzweekend, before a Sunday... harder to detect itSep 29 11:43
kaniiniif it was a malicious attacker, they would do more damage than thatSep 29 11:44
kaniinionce the access is burned, its burnedSep 29 11:44
r_schestowitzwhat youtube video was linked to?Sep 29 11:45
XRevan86kaniini: oh, libssh2, never mindSep 29 11:46
r_schestowitzhttps://archive.is/Yya6gSep 29 11:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | Richard Stallman's Personal PageSep 29 11:46
r_schestowitzis the seeking housing fake also?Sep 29 11:46
r_schestowitzhttps://archive.is/xt8sKSep 29 11:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | Interim housingSep 29 11:46
kaniinii don;'t think soSep 29 11:46
r_schestowitzhttps://stallman.org/seeking-housing.htmlSep 29 11:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Interim housingSep 29 11:46
XRevan86schestowitz: It's still there.Sep 29 11:46
r_schestowitzstill onlineSep 29 11:47
kaniinialthough it does raise questions if he was actually living out of his MIT officeSep 29 11:47
r_schestowitzhe used to work from the carpet there decades agoSep 29 11:47
r_schestowitzhe said it would be a waste or rent moneySep 29 11:47
r_schestowitzfor him to just rent to sleep somewhereSep 29 11:47
r_schestowitz2 decades ago Wired said he did rent a small apartment and had a frugal lifestyleSep 29 11:48
r_schestowitz[11:47] <kaniini> although it does raise questions if he was actually living out of his MIT officeSep 29 11:48
r_schestowitzShades of Assange at an embassySep 29 11:48
kaniiniactually i think FSF was paying for his housingSep 29 11:48
kaniiniand that he was not at MIT anymoreSep 29 11:48
zoobabjust https://stallman.org/seeking-housing.htmlSep 29 11:48
kaniinii don't know :)Sep 29 11:48
kaniinidon't know why he dislikes the green line beyond KenmoreSep 29 11:49
kaniiniAsbury is actually pretty niceSep 29 11:49
kaniiniAshbury*Sep 29 11:49
XRevan86kaniini: Damage being that limited is suspicious indeed. And it's sneaked-in well either.Sep 29 11:49
kaniinior is it AshmontSep 29 11:49
kaniinii forgetSep 29 11:49
r_schestowitzXRevan86: think motivationSep 29 11:49
XRevan86* it's not sneaked-in wellSep 29 11:50
kaniinithe motivation isSep 29 11:50
r_schestowitzWHO would want to say THAT in his site?Sep 29 11:50
r_schestowitznothing about "toe jam" etc.Sep 29 11:50
kaniinisome disgruntled person with accessSep 29 11:50
kaniinidecided to fuck with the siteSep 29 11:50
kaniinimost likely an FSF sysadminSep 29 11:50
kaniinisince they would alreayd have accessSep 29 11:50
r_schestowitzwhat time was the edit?Sep 29 11:50
MinceR29 122529 < r_schestowitz> so seemed unlikely, unless the whole FS got compromisedSep 29 11:50
MinceR29 122529 < r_schestowitz> so seemed unlikely, unless the whole FS got compromisedSep 29 11:50
r_schestowitzI guess rss /social control media bots woudl reveal time roughlySep 29 11:51
MinceR29 122529 < r_schestowitz> so seemed unlikely, unless the whole FS got compromisedSep 29 11:51
MinceRseems like the foundation got compromised :>Sep 29 11:51
XRevan86A sysadmin would have fuller access though, no?Sep 29 11:51
kaniiniXRevan86: yes a sysadmin could just rm the siteSep 29 11:51
kaniinibutSep 29 11:51
kaniinithat's not really productiveSep 29 11:52
r_schestowitzthere are backupsSep 29 11:52
kaniiniits better to slip in something and see how long before it gets caughtSep 29 11:52
r_schestowitzmore damage is done by misrepresentation of rmsSep 29 11:52
r_schestowitzsaying something like "YAY! I LOVE KIDDIE PORN!" would make the fake easily detectableSep 29 11:53
r_schestowitzso it had to be subtle enough to "hold"Sep 29 11:53
XRevan86kaniini: Why making hints that it's not RMS' doing then?Sep 29 11:53
XRevan86kaniini: By linking to that Medium article.Sep 29 11:53
kaniinibecauseSep 29 11:53
r_schestowitzhe removed it and server/hosting changedSep 29 11:53
r_schestowitzunless he was already moving and the new site is out of dataSep 29 11:53
kaniiniXRevan86: i didn't say it was a brilliantly executed ideaSep 29 11:53
r_schestowitzdateSep 29 11:53
r_schestowitzas in, older filesystem snapshotSep 29 11:53
kaniinihmmSep 29 11:54
kaniinithat does make for a third theorySep 29 11:54
r_schestowitzyou can check if there was an update since and see the likelihood of thisSep 29 11:54
kaniinimaybe he adjusted the DNS to point to the new serverSep 29 11:54
kaniiniand the defaced version was on the old server onlySep 29 11:54
r_schestowitzwould he not noticed the new server lacks a massively critical update from him?Sep 29 11:54
r_schestowitzor maybe it wasn't defacementSep 29 11:54
kaniinimaybe he was not planning to do any updatesSep 29 11:54
r_schestowitzmaybe it just hadn't made it to the new hostSep 29 11:55
kaniiniyepSep 29 11:55
XRevan86It definitely was a defacement.Sep 29 11:55
MinceRsorry for the multiple paste, i have no idea what happenedSep 29 11:55
r_schestowitzyou sound like a kernel panic :;-)Sep 29 11:55
kaniinii'm pretty sure it was someone inside FSF fucking aroundSep 29 11:55
kaniiniit makes the most senseSep 29 11:55
kaniiniconsidering half of FSF is pissed at him right nowSep 29 11:55
MinceR:>Sep 29 11:55
r_schestowitzdoes mattl have access?Sep 29 11:55
r_schestowitzhe blocked me in twitter for no good reasonSep 29 11:55
MinceRhalf of FSF are SJWs?Sep 29 11:56
r_schestowitzI guess he views pro-RMS people as "trolls"Sep 29 11:56
kaniininoSep 29 11:56
XRevan86> Please donate to the Free Software Foundation <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ> to support its work for your freedom.Sep 29 11:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Richard Stallman Eats Something From His Foot - YouTubeSep 29 11:56
r_schestowitzhmmmSep 29 11:56
r_schestowitzOK, so... it IS a defacementSep 29 11:56
r_schestowitzwe know that for sureSep 29 11:56
kaniiniyeahSep 29 11:56
kaniinilike i said, i think it was inside jobSep 29 11:56
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kaniiniits the only thing that makes senseSep 29 11:57
r_schestowitzthat's why I tried recoverind from https://archive.is/Yya6gSep 29 11:57
XRevan86Unless RMS suddenly developed a twisted and self-deprecating sense of humour.Sep 29 11:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | Richard Stallman's Personal PageSep 29 11:57
kaniinii mean sureSep 29 11:57
kaniinimaybe some script kiddie aggressively ran metasploit until he compromised the serverSep 29 11:57
kaniinibut i would put inside job at much higher oddsSep 29 11:57
XRevan86My argument about the insecure server fails to account for that the server moved but is still insecure.Sep 29 11:59
XRevan86and that apparently helpedSep 29 11:59
XRevan86since the deface doesn't make a come-back.Sep 29 11:59
MinceRor the defacer is occupied with something elseSep 29 11:59
oiaohmRichard Stallman has had quite a horrible sense of humour for a long time.Sep 29 11:59
MinceRor they're waiting a bit to avoid detectionSep 29 12:00
r_schestowitzoiaohm: he would not link to that videoSep 29 12:00
oiaohmr_schestowitz: I am not too sure have been around long enough to remember the Richard Stallman 2002 "pleasure cards"  https://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/figs/free_ep10.png  yes then end up in a published book https://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/ch14.htmlSep 29 12:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.oreilly.com | Free as in Freedom: Chapter 14Sep 29 12:04
XRevan86By the way, stallman.org does have CGISep 29 12:05
XRevan86/cgi-bin/site-search.cgiSep 29 12:05
oiaohmXRevan86: I guess you have never seen Richard Stallman 2002 "pleasure cards" before.   His sense of humour can be quite twisted.Sep 29 12:06
XRevan86oiaohm: I indeed haven't.Sep 29 12:07
oiaohmWith his sense of humour you really cannot rule too much out.   His personality has not been ideal for a project/company lead for quite some time.   Richard Stallman is a good trouble making activist those don't really make good heads of companies or projects long term.Sep 29 12:09
oiaohmThere activist side will sooner or latter cause them to put foot major-ally in it.Sep 29 12:09
XRevan86Making "donate to FSF" lead to a *Google YouTube* video where you know what happens is not his style.Sep 29 12:10
oiaohmI am surprised that it took this long for Richard to put foot in it.  Sep 29 12:10
r_schestowitzI saw that video pasted beoreSep 29 12:11
r_schestowitz2 weeks agoSep 29 12:12
r_schestowitzby the anti-RMS brigadeSep 29 12:12
r_schestowitzwhen the anti-RMS thing beganSep 29 12:12
r_schestowitzit was flagged as "troll -1"Sep 29 12:12
r_schestowitzor -1 trollSep 29 12:12
r_schestowitzhelps to know what types of group push which "lines"Sep 29 12:12
XRevan86It's an old video, I have seen it pop up for as long as I'm in the GNU/Linux-y circles.Sep 29 12:12
XRevan86On OpenNET posting this video is an instabanSep 29 12:13
XRevan86or referencing the actSep 29 12:13
XRevan86* OpenNET.ruSep 29 12:15
oiaohmReally he has been a project lead/CEO.   We have had a lot of recent cases in Australia against Catholic Church and other groups covering sex crimes.   The USA has also had the mess over the cover-up of Harvey Weinstein...   So things have got a lot more legally dangerous to be a CEO/project lead and not treat those thing carefully.   Sep 29 12:16
oiaohmBasically Richard Stallman foot in mouth at the very wrong time.Sep 29 12:16
XRevan86it's a decade oldSep 29 12:17
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/CarlaSchroder/status/1178135931791896576Sep 29 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CarlaSchroder: @nixcraft This is interesting: https://t.co/Xd2G5KmU7p "You are not authorized to access this page." Doesn't MIT pa… https://t.co/WiA36YWHxSSep 29 12:18
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 12:18
r_schestowitzThis is interesting:Sep 29 12:18
r_schestowitzhttps://csail.mit.edu/person/richard-stallman…Sep 29 12:18
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r_schestowitz"You are not authorized to access this page."Sep 29 12:18
r_schestowitzDoesn't MIT pay their geniuses enough so they can afford their own homes?Sep 29 12:18
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 12:18
r_schestowitzwowSep 29 12:18
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r_schestowitzhmmmSep 29 12:43
r_schestowitzTR crashedSep 29 12:43
r_schestowitzfirst time in monthsSep 29 12:43
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oiaohmI finally have a modern machine as my internet machine because my old I3 died.  Amd 3700 with 32G of ram.   That enough right.  No I need more ram make -j 16 deb-pkg to build Linux kernel consumes that 32G and then wants some more.Sep 29 12:50
zoobabtechrights unreachable ...Sep 29 12:58
zoobabwhat happened?Sep 29 12:58
r_schestowitzI knowSep 29 12:58
r_schestowitzchecking db and allSep 29 12:58
r_schestowitzit can work, httpd stoppedSep 29 12:59
zoobabI am planning on migrating zoobab.com to an ESP32Sep 29 12:59
r_schestowitz   0:00.00 kworker/0:0H                 Sep 29 13:00
r_schestowitz    6 root      20   0       0      0      0 S   0.0  0.0Sep 29 13:00
r_schestowitzit's back upSep 29 13:00
r_schestowitzstopping httpd to check dbSep 29 13:20
kaniinii wonder if we should move techrights to a container instead of a VMSep 29 13:24
r_schestowitzwe ought toSep 29 13:24
r_schestowitzand upgrade distroSep 29 13:25
kaniinii vaguely recall that we were planning to do so at some pointSep 29 13:25
r_schestowitzmaybe centos8Sep 29 13:25
r_schestowitzI ca use some helpSep 29 13:25
kaniinicentos8 is systemdSep 29 13:25
kaniiniare you sure? ;)Sep 29 13:25
r_schestowitzRepairing tablesSep 29 13:25
r_schestowitzboycottn_wrdp1.wp_usersSep 29 13:25
r_schestowitzwarning  : Number of rows changed from 0 to 1173882Sep 29 13:25
r_schestowitzstatus   : OKSep 29 13:25
r_schestowitzkaniini: not sure yetSep 29 13:25
r_schestowitzhang onSep 29 13:25
r_schestowitzthat explains why I could not log in after the crashSep 29 13:25
r_schestowitzI started to get all paranoid about attacksSep 29 13:25
r_schestowitzbut then i thought, check db for users table damage, bingo!Sep 29 13:26
r_schestowitzkaniini: we can help pay for your timeSep 29 13:26
r_schestowitzMy notes: upgrade techrights, add SSL, increase partition sizes (install vanilla centos8 on separate VM, install packages needed, copy across all files, change IP addresses etc if SSL setup is nearly there), repeat for tuxmachines or do tuxmachines firstSep 29 13:26
r_schestowitzwe though about devuan tooSep 29 13:26
r_schestowitzbefore IBM brought out centOS8Sep 29 13:26
r_schestowitzdon't want to start with a distro that would then no longer be supportedSep 29 13:26
r_schestowitzand devuan has few internal issuesSep 29 13:27
XRevan86schestowitz: If anything happens to Devuan, you can always fallback to Debian.Sep 29 13:27
r_schestowitzmy friend suggested alpine, saying you had experience with itSep 29 13:27
r_schestowitzbut I told him you had left themSep 29 13:27
r_schestowitzXRevan86: good to knowSep 29 13:27
r_schestowitzwe've always been centos, since 2006Sep 29 13:27
r_schestowitzso some stuff is already sort of written for it, scripts etcSep 29 13:28
XRevan86schestowitz: Well, I am biased towards Debian, because I've been using it for VPS' ever since I got one.Sep 29 13:29
r_schestowitzgood news: db 'compacted' upon reboot, it had grown lots of cruft over timeSep 29 13:31
XRevan86And I don't trust dnf/yum to maintain consistency if something happens in between package installation. I don't have pleasant experience.Sep 29 13:32
r_schestowitzme neitherSep 29 13:34
XRevan86If a package hasn't been installed completely, dpkg knows, rpm doesn't.Sep 29 13:35
XRevan86On CentOS/Fedora what I saw is two versions of the same package installed in parallel, both invalid.Sep 29 13:37
XRevan86zypper counts this as a red flag at least.Sep 29 13:37
XRevan86libzypp has a configurable whitelist of packages that are allowed to have multiple versions installed in parallel (kernel only by default).Sep 29 13:38
kaniiniapk :)Sep 29 13:40
XRevan86kaniini: I was about to ask :)Sep 29 13:41
kaniiniapk is extremely robustSep 29 13:41
XRevan86how does apk handle installation abruptions?Sep 29 13:41
kaniiniit depends on how the failure occuredSep 29 13:42
kaniiniworst case scenario: you wind up with a bunch of /usr/bin/foo.apk-new files on disk, and then running 'apk fix' will retry the transaction or roll it backSep 29 13:42
kaniinifiles are atomically renamed when, and only when, the transaction is verified to be safeSep 29 13:43
XRevan86sounds robustSep 29 13:43
kaniinihowever dnf is getting better :)Sep 29 13:49
r_schestowitzany thought how to migrate/update would be MUCH appreciated, kaniini XRevan86Sep 29 13:59
r_schestowitzstill not sure whether vm, container, which distroSep 29 13:59
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Large Corporations Can Definitely Work With Free/Libre Software But Total Domination Over Free/Libre Software is the Problem http://techrights.org/2019/09/29/domination-over-freesw/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/52b94e25-7ab9-4b36-92e7-4add73ab00a7]Sep 29 14:00
r_schestowitz^^ I am still recovering from reboot related stress (DB damage after the VM crash)Sep 29 14:00
XRevan86schestowitz: Right now it all is on a VM provided by kaniini, right?Sep 29 14:01
kaniininoSep 29 14:01
kaniinituxmachines and techrights are on a supermicro server sitting in my coloSep 29 14:01
r_schestowitzyes, which we are very thankful forSep 29 14:02
kaniinithey previously existed as VMsSep 29 14:02
kaniinidue to the timeline required, we kept them as VMs, which run on this supermicro boxSep 29 14:03
kaniinibut the VMs are quite fragile, as they were originally xen installs and have all sorts of nasty xen hacks ;)Sep 29 14:03
XRevan86kaniini: And now on KVM?Sep 29 14:04
kaniiniyesSep 29 14:04
XRevan86schestowitz: Well, it would seem the way to go is a clean install either way.Sep 29 14:06
kaniiniyes i agreeSep 29 14:06
kaniinimy suggestion would be to create containersSep 29 14:06
kaniinimigrate the site data to the containerSep 29 14:06
XRevan86LXC/OpenVZ containers or Docker containers?Sep 29 14:06
kaniinipersonally, i use LXC with an internal networkSep 29 14:07
kaniiniso kind of like dockerSep 29 14:07
kaniinibut not reallySep 29 14:07
kaniinidocker sucks anywaySep 29 14:07
kaniiniif the site works on postgresql, i have a postgres-xl clusterSep 29 14:08
*XRevan86 gets the feeling the site works on MariaDB/MySQL.Sep 29 14:08
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: A List of All Default Ubuntu Official Wallpapers [Gallery] http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128655 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3aba5bab-7c69-49c2-a9c3-df1ac418042e]Sep 29 14:26
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: How to Shutdown Ubuntu via Command Line (For Linux Beginners) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128656 [https://pleroma.site/objects/84f88557-36ff-4e5c-8028-461a99b4bec9]Sep 29 14:27
r_schestowitzzoobab: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16109557Sep 29 14:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Red Hat’s IP head reveals that in the run-up to its acquisition by IBM the company went shopping for patents at a range of sellers including AT&T, Huawei and Panasonic." WTF #redhat ?!?! https://www.iam-media.com/iam-weekly-review-23rd-28th-septemberSep 29 14:30
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concernedlinuxhttp://techrights.org/2019/09/28/rms-being-canceled/Sep 29 15:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Shortly After Richard Stallman Says He’s Head of GNU He Writes “I Hereby Step Down as Head of the GNU Project, Effective Immediately” | TechrightsSep 29 15:58
concernedlinuxRMS blog does not say he steps down...?Sep 29 15:58
concernedlinuxMaybe it was removed?Sep 29 15:59
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XRevan86concernedlinux: It was removed.Sep 29 16:02
XRevan86concernedlinux: A clear defacement.Sep 29 16:02
r_schestowitzconcernedlinux: defacedSep 29 16:02
XRevan86concernedlinux: https://archive.is/Yya6gSep 29 16:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is | Richard Stallman's Personal PageSep 29 16:02
concernedlinuxThat article should be updated because it was in need streams like Google home.Sep 29 16:03
concernedlinuxNews*Sep 29 16:03
XRevan86"What's bad about: <..> Richard Stallman" + the "donate to the Free Software Foundation" linkSep 29 16:04
XRevan86two easter eggs left by the defacerSep 29 16:04
concernedlinuxYeah that takes you to the medium articleSep 29 16:06
concernedlinuxEither way. The site is fixed and the techrights article news to change. It is spreading fud.Sep 29 16:08
concernedlinuxNeeds*Sep 29 16:08
XRevan86schestowitz: ^ I concur.Sep 29 16:10
r_schestowitzI will add an updateSep 29 16:11
r_schestowitzit's not FUDSep 29 16:11
r_schestowitzit's out of dataSep 29 16:11
r_schestowitz*dateSep 29 16:11
concernedlinuxSure. ThanksSep 29 16:12
r_schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2019/09/28/rms-being-canceled/ Sep 29 16:13
r_schestowitz"Update (16:00 GMT): turns out his site got defaced"Sep 29 16:13
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concernedlinuxlet me see if I have this right, someone has a conversation in this room and it is news?Sep 29 17:07
concernedlinuxhe said this and i said that? thats professional journalism?Sep 29 17:08
r_schestowitzthe site was defacedSep 29 17:10
r_schestowitzand it seems likely someone who already had accessed misused itSep 29 17:10
concernedlinuxwithout posting sources to claims, it is slander.Sep 29 17:10
concernedlinuxI understand it was defacedSep 29 17:10
r_schestowitzit does not use dynamic web stuffSep 29 17:11
concernedlinuxbut posting this... http://techrights.org/2019/09/29/fsf-defaced-rms/Sep 29 17:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | FSF May Not be Trustworthy Anymore, It’s Believed/Said to Have Just Defaced Richard Stallman’s Personal Web Site | TechrightsSep 29 17:11
concernedlinuxso what?Sep 29 17:11
concernedlinuxthe web server could have been hackedSep 29 17:11
r_schestowitztime will tell, but it seems like direct accesss to the html fileSep 29 17:11
concernedlinuxyou think it has to be running php or another dynamic language to be hacked?Sep 29 17:11
concernedlinuxssh/scp.... lots of exploitsSep 29 17:11
r_schestowitzhe moves out of FSF domain after thatSep 29 17:12
r_schestowitzwhich does help make a pointSep 29 17:12
r_schestowitzsome FSF people say nasty things about himSep 29 17:12
r_schestowitzin the FSF they had access to their serversSep 29 17:12
concernedlinuxwithout sources it is bsSep 29 17:12
r_schestowitzwithout sources it's posted as speculativeSep 29 17:13
r_schestowitzand time will tellSep 29 17:13
r_schestowitzit's stated as claimSep 29 17:13
concernedlinuxlike this conversationSep 29 17:13
concernedlinuxgood luckSep 29 17:13
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r_schestowitztribalismSep 29 17:14
XRevan86That was weird.Sep 29 17:19
r_schestowitzconfrontational for sureSep 29 17:22
r_schestowitzmy article didn't say it was definitiveSep 29 17:22
scientesok that is better, avx512 gives 30% performance improvement over avx2Sep 29 17:23
scientes3gb/s, that's pretty damn fastSep 29 17:24
r_schestowitzwe might know the answer soonSep 29 17:24
r_schestowitzif and only if RMS and FSF start crossing swords over GNU copyrightsSep 29 17:24
r_schestowitzI don't know how he passed these to FSF and what the text saysSep 29 17:25
r_schestowitzscientes said he had given them some codeSep 29 17:25
r_schestowitzthem as in people who pushed RMS out after media with corrupt 'journalists' had liedSep 29 17:25
*XRevan86 doubts FSF will go against RMS as a whole.Sep 29 17:25
r_schestowitzdidn't seem facts bothered them; only agenda. They wanted RMS out, took this as an opportunity to do that regardless of factsSep 29 17:26
scientesthat would be suicideSep 29 17:26
scientesthey certainly won't do thatSep 29 17:26
XRevan86And if it really was an "inside job", then I expect FSF to fire the person who did that on grounds of gross unprofessionalism.Sep 29 17:26
r_schestowitzmaybe one person mightSep 29 17:26
r_schestowitzlike bkuhn did that press releaseSep 29 17:26
r_schestowitzXRevan86: that's what I saidSep 29 17:26
r_schestowitzthey need to name/clarifySep 29 17:27
r_schestowitzso at least it's not seen as bad as it seems; it was on their premises at the timeSep 29 17:27
r_schestowitzthey also lost control of defective by design site last yearSep 29 17:27
r_schestowitzor put a DB backup in the public_html dirSep 29 17:27
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r_schestowitz> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]Sep 29 17:49
r_schestowitz> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]Sep 29 17:49
r_schestowitz> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]Sep 29 17:49
r_schestowitz> Sep 29 17:49
r_schestowitz> I did not resign from GNU.Sep 29 17:49
r_schestowitz> The statement was posted in error.Sep 29 17:49
r_schestowitz> I am still the Chief GNUisance.Sep 29 17:49
r_schestowitz> Sep 29 17:50
r_schestowitz> -- Dr Richard Stallman Founder, Free Software FoundationSep 29 17:50
r_schestowitz> (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-FamerSep 29 17:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | The GNU Operating System and the Free Software MovementSep 29 17:50
r_schestowitz> (https://internethalloffame.org)Sep 29 17:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Front Page — Free Software Foundation — working together for free softwareSep 29 17:50
r_schestowitz'in error'Sep 29 17:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-internethalloffame.org | Home Page | Internet Hall of FameSep 29 17:50
r_schestowitzalong with a link to youtube making him look like a foolSep 29 17:50
r_schestowitzsent to me an hour agoSep 29 17:50
r_schestowitzso he's possibly hiding something like someone else on his account doing it, kaniiniSep 29 17:51
r_schestowitzif it was cracked or defaced, would he say "inerror"Sep 29 17:51
r_schestowitzmaybe the error was allowing someone else to access the site -- something he should not trustSep 29 17:51
r_schestowitzRe: Read the Salesforce WP articleSep 29 18:04
r_schestowitz>> Someone told me they may be indirectly behind the attack on RMS.Sep 29 18:04
r_schestowitz> That's what makes those other things so interesting.Sep 29 18:04
r_schestowitz> Sep 29 18:04
r_schestowitz> Highly recommended reading if you haven't already.I'll take a look.Sep 29 18:04
r_schestowitzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salesforce.com#CriticismsSep 29 18:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Salesforce.com - WikipediaSep 29 18:05
r_schestowitz" Reaction after the firings was swift, with the Electronic Frontier Foundation providing representation to the fired employees[152] and members of the security community opining "Salesforce undermined their credibility in the security community to a significant degree" and that "how they are perceived by the security community isn't top of their list of things they care about."[154] The presented MEATPISTOL tool was anticipated to be Sep 29 18:05
r_schestowitzreleased as open source at the time of the presentation, but Salesforce continues to hold back on releasing any of the code to developers or the public.[155] The terminated employees have continued to call on the company to open-source the software.[156]"Sep 29 18:05
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 18:06
r_schestowitzThe not-for-profit organization Refugee and Immigrant Center for Education and Legal Services (RAICES) rejected a US$250,000 philanthropic donation from Salesforce, because the company has contracts with Customs and Border Patrol [sic]. The executive director of Raices, Jonathan Ryan, tweeted that "When it comes to supporting oppressive, inhumane, and illegal policies, we want to be clear: the only right action is to stop" in reference to Sep 29 18:06
r_schestowitzthe rejected donation.[157] Salesforce CEO Marc Benioff responded in an official statement that the company's employees "dont work with CBP regarding separation of families. CBP is a customer & follows our TOS. We dont have an agreement with ICE. I'm Proud of the Men & Women who protect & serve our country every day & I'm Proud of our Ohana."[158]Sep 29 18:06
r_schestowitzIt was reported that, in a change to its acceptable-use policy,[159] Salesforce is barring customers from using its system to sell semiautomatic guns and other firearms.[160][161]Sep 29 18:06
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 18:06
r_schestowitzFounded by former Oracle execSep 29 18:07
r_schestowitzConnections to Customs/BPSep 29 18:07
r_schestowitzRead criticisms sectionSep 29 18:07
XRevan86> The statement was posted in error.Sep 29 18:10
XRevan86vagueSep 29 18:10
r_schestowitzbut we're left guessingSep 29 18:10
r_schestowitzor reading between the lineSep 29 18:10
r_schestowitzwould he said had he been cracked?Sep 29 18:10
r_schestowitz(which he was, unless the defacers was authorised to access)Sep 29 18:11
r_schestowitz*was/wereSep 29 18:11
XRevan86It's almost as if RMS no longer wants to share anything with the public.Sep 29 18:12
r_schestowitzno, it's not thatSep 29 18:13
r_schestowitzremember MIT statementSep 29 18:13
r_schestowitzfirst he tried to apologise for those "hurt"Sep 29 18:13
r_schestowitzlater he said he had resigned due to pressureSep 29 18:13
XRevan86I mean that "the public" hurt him a lot for saying too much.Sep 29 18:13
r_schestowitzwith FSF they all keep something below the surfaceSep 29 18:13
r_schestowitzthe FSF press release was only like two sentences and then they moved onSep 29 18:13
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r_schestowitzhi dyfetSep 29 18:28
r_schestowitzwelcome back, davidSep 29 18:28
dyfethi, thanksSep 29 18:28
r_schestowitzwas it david?Sep 29 18:28
dyfetyesSep 29 18:28
dyfetthis is like the only place i can find honest news nowSep 29 18:30
r_schestowitz> This is a relief.  Though the posting of it is a problem and if someoneSep 29 18:31
r_schestowitz> inside the FSF or GNU did it, they need to be fired and denounced withSep 29 18:31
r_schestowitz> all haste.Sep 29 18:31
r_schestowitzhe was vague about it. I think an authorised person edited the page, adding the snide/offensive URL.Sep 29 18:31
r_schestowitz>> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]Sep 29 18:31
r_schestowitz>> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]Sep 29 18:31
r_schestowitz>> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]Sep 29 18:31
r_schestowitz>>Sep 29 18:31
r_schestowitz>> I did not resign from GNU.Sep 29 18:31
r_schestowitz>> The statement was posted in error.Sep 29 18:31
r_schestowitz>> I am still the Chief GNUisance.Sep 29 18:31
r_schestowitz>>Sep 29 18:31
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r_schestowitzhi cardpuncherSep 29 18:36
r_schestowitz(new here I assume)Sep 29 18:36
dyfetand so here we are.  for an organization that, ahem, might somehow claim ?nobody is above the CoC?!, I do not see how even that kind of claim or hypocracy matches the silence on this apparent behavior.  So all of it I find deeply troubling on many levels. Sep 29 18:37
r_schestowitzmaybe rms has plans for copyright assigneesSep 29 18:37
r_schestowitzwikipedia says FSF has gnu copyrightsSep 29 18:37
dyfetYes, the fsf is the exclusive copyright holder for much of gnuSep 29 18:37
cardpuncherr_schestowitz, hi and yes, my first time on this chan, was reading the website and landed here :)Sep 29 18:37
scientes<r_schestowitz> wikipedia says FSF has gnu copyrightsSep 29 18:38
scientesyes they doSep 29 18:38
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r_schestowitzmaybe he can fork gnu out of FSF somehow, I don't know what the legal paperwork looks like, but at this point I trust RMS more than FSFSep 29 18:38
scientesthat is what my ayysSep 29 18:38
scientes*what my contract saysSep 29 18:38
scientesas well as all the copyright statementsSep 29 18:38
scientesr_schestowitz, of course, anyone can do that, and that is part of the copyright assignment contractSep 29 18:38
r_schestowitzfsf is registered as nonprofitSep 29 18:38
scientes501(c)(3)Sep 29 18:39
r_schestowitzIRS filing: https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/42888848Sep 29 18:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-projects.propublica.org | Free Software Foundation Inc - Nonprofit Explorer - ProPublicaSep 29 18:39
dyfetThere are some exceptions to note in GNU, though.  but the premise asserted is that one organization can defend a copyright for a collective work with greater certainty in US law.Sep 29 18:39
r_schestowitzI'm familiar with it, I watched this IRC filing closely twice in recent months as I had lost confidence alreadySep 29 18:39
r_schestowitz2016: Sep 29 18:40
r_schestowitzTotal RevenueSep 29 18:40
r_schestowitz$1,294,906Sep 29 18:40
r_schestowitzThat was before Pineapple FundSep 29 18:40
r_schestowitzDid RMS put his monetary awards in the FSF account?Sep 29 18:40
dyfetI always assumed he hadSep 29 18:41
r_schestowitzMembership dues $658,988Sep 29 18:41
r_schestowitzAll other contributions, gifts, grants, and similar amounts not included above: $635,709Sep 29 18:41
r_schestowitznow he's sort of 'homeless'Sep 29 18:41
r_schestowitzsomeone told me that maybe he had still lived inside MIT...Sep 29 18:41
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XRevan86https://lists.exim.org/lurker/message/20190928.232024.589b2ef5.en.htmlSep 29 19:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.exim.org | Re: [exim] [oss-security] Exim CVE-2019-16928 RCE using a heap-based buffer overflowSep 29 19:01
r_schestowitzoh, again?Sep 29 19:01
XRevan86a winning streakSep 29 19:02
XRevan86It's rather boring, being a postfix user.Sep 29 19:02
r_schestowitzbut this one is less severeSep 29 19:02
r_schestowitzMaybe Cimpanu the ZDNet troll already drafted somethinSep 29 19:03
r_schestowitz"HALF A BILLION SERVERS VULNERABLE... blah blah ... LINUX LINUX LINUX"Sep 29 19:03
scientesyeah, just use postfix.....Sep 29 19:03
*XRevan86 , despite using Debian/Devuan on servers only, never-ever used exim.Sep 29 19:04
scientesXRevan86, really????Sep 29 19:04
scientesyou are another systemd-haterSep 29 19:04
*XRevan86 hides systemd under a rug.Sep 29 19:05
XRevan86scientes: yeaaaSep 29 19:05
XRevan86scientes: "really????" – was that about never using exim4 or about having two Devuan servers?Sep 29 19:08
scientesDevuanSep 29 19:08
*scientes is a systemd fan-boiSep 29 19:08
scientesbut only during the early daysSep 29 19:08
XRevan86scientes: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AmYrw8JQ_HE/UFXVUELi8cI/AAAAAAAAC_A/3JuPcfvW9Zg/s320/fry-suspicious.gifSep 29 19:09
scientesheheSep 29 19:09
*XRevan86 is mostly systemd-neutral.Sep 29 19:10
scientesI actually learned to program C by contributing to systemdSep 29 19:10
XRevan86One Devuan server is running on OpenVZ, the other is hosted by a systemd hater, I don't want systemd to get between us %).Sep 29 19:11
dyfetI have lost servers in the field to systemd.  Never in my life, prior, did I lose a server...Sep 29 19:11
XRevan86dyfet: Are they, by any chance, Ubuntu?Sep 29 19:12
dyfetNo, debian, actuallySep 29 19:12
XRevan86just checkingSep 29 19:12
*scientes remembers when Ubuntu was hot shitSep 29 19:13
scientesthose days are long over....Sep 29 19:13
XRevan86now it's rock solid *ba-dum-tss*Sep 29 19:13
r_schestowitzscientes: same for WindowsSep 29 19:15
r_schestowitzXP daysSep 29 19:15
r_schestowitzwhen almost everyone on the WWW used XPSep 29 19:15
XRevan86- What are clouds made out of?Sep 29 19:15
XRevan86- Manure bricks mostly.Sep 29 19:15
scientesXP SP1 still had a integer overflow that would format your disksSep 29 19:15
scientesif they were larger than 137GBSep 29 19:15
*scientes is using Ubuntu 19.10Sep 29 19:16
*cardpuncher is using Ubuntu 18.04 with MATESep 29 19:17
XRevan86scientes: Would you install a systemd-based distro on an OpenVZ container, where the kernel is not getting any younger %)?Sep 29 19:19
scientesthat is impossibleSep 29 19:19
scientesthose OpenVZ VMS should die in a fireSep 29 19:19
XRevan86scientes: And if someone else pays for it and you just help out with maintaining the thing?Sep 29 19:20
scientesdude, i can get a real VPS for 3eu/moSep 29 19:20
XRevan86scientes: The VPS in question costs 200 roubles a month with frequent back-ups.Sep 29 19:22
scientesthats more............Sep 29 19:23
scientesi hear scaleway doesn't do backups, but i haven't had a problem Sep 29 19:23
scientesoh euroSep 29 19:23
scientesso the sameSep 29 19:23
XRevan86Scaleway doesn't have any redundancies at all.Sep 29 19:23
scientesyeah but its very cheapSep 29 19:24
scientesand I get ARMSep 29 19:24
scientesand KVMSep 29 19:24
XRevan86"that is impossible" – it depends, on freshness of OpenVZ and freshness of systemd.Sep 29 19:24
*scientes though OpenVZ changed namesSep 29 19:24
scientesso only refers to the 2.6.32 crapSep 29 19:24
scienteswhich glibc doesn't even support anymoreSep 29 19:25
XRevan86Debian 9 with systemd can be installed on OpenVZ 6, albeit I've seen systemd-related bugs.Sep 29 19:25
scientesi doubt itSep 29 19:25
XRevan86Debian 10 won't install on OpenVZ 6, because of glibc wanting Linux 3.2, yes.Sep 29 19:25
XRevan86On OpenVZ 7 systemd works… for now. But it's only a matter of time until Linux 3.10 is too old.Sep 29 19:26
scientesbut I thought they were behind CRIUSep 29 19:27
scienteswhich means the next version of OpenVZ will be mainlineSep 29 19:27
r_schestowitz> direct from his email today:Sep 29 19:27
r_schestowitz> Sep 29 19:27
r_schestowitz> I did not resign from GNU.Sep 29 19:27
r_schestowitz> The statement was posted in error.Sep 29 19:27
r_schestowitz> I am still the Chief GNUisance.Sep 29 19:27
r_schestowitzYes, he CCd me that.Sep 29 19:27
scientesr_schestowitz, ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!Sep 29 19:28
scientesWhy hasn't he publically published that?Sep 29 19:28
XRevan86scientes: I thought OpenVZ 7 already is, yet they still stick to a particular kernel.Sep 29 19:28
scientesXRevan86, but CRIU wasn't feature complete in 3.10Sep 29 19:28
scientescouldn't yet suspend/resume systemdSep 29 19:29
scientesi was hacking on it brieflySep 29 19:29
XRevan86what the heck!Sep 29 19:29
XRevan86https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#29_September_2019_(GNU_Project)Sep 29 19:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2019: July - October Political Notes - Richard StallmanSep 29 19:29
XRevan86guess what's backSep 29 19:29
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XRevan86Maybe it's an actual hack this time, now that many people looked at what software his website is running on?Sep 29 19:33
scientesthere has to be a way to get gnome-shell to use less memorySep 29 19:34
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 19:35
r_schestowitzI hereby step down as head of the GNU Project, effective immediately.Sep 29 19:35
r_schestowitzRichard StallmanSep 29 19:35
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 19:35
XRevan86Or maybe the error was posting it too early or with a wrong date, and the defacing was only sneaking in two links?Sep 29 19:36
r_schestowitznoSep 29 19:36
r_schestowitzhe said by email it's falseSep 29 19:36
r_schestowitzemail is on the same domain Sep 29 19:36
r_schestowitzrmsSep 29 19:36
r_schestowitzoh waitSep 29 19:36
r_schestowitznoSep 29 19:37
r_schestowitzat gnu.orgSep 29 19:37
r_schestowitzand it's pgp-encryptiedSep 29 19:37
r_schestowitzencryptedSep 29 19:37
r_schestowitzso many he has no complete control of the site even after migrating it away (assuming he did)Sep 29 19:37
dyfetwhois stallman.org?  maybe start with that...Sep 29 19:37
r_schestowitzSome people posted about is as comments in diasporaSep 29 19:38
r_schestowitzin response to my articleSep 29 19:38
r_schestowitzthey did some lookups, it looks suspiciousSep 29 19:38
dyfetI will say, the whois looked strange...Sep 29 19:38
XRevan86I'll write him an emailSep 29 19:38
XRevan86I never tried that beforeSep 29 19:38
scientesI haveSep 29 19:39
scienteshe does actually respondSep 29 19:39
scienteshe's probably getting a lot of questions about thisSep 29 19:39
dyfetyes he doesSep 29 19:39
dyfetand yes, i imagine soSep 29 19:39
r_schestowitzXRevan86: maybe he'll freak out a bit when he sees a Russian name [sarcasm] amid cracking and allSep 29 19:39
r_schestowitz(I know he came back from Russia, I only kid)Sep 29 19:39
scienteshahahahahaSep 29 19:40
XRevan86schestowitz: I'm writing a P.S. about meeting him in Russia (:Sep 29 19:40
r_schestowitzgoodSep 29 19:43
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MinceRlol @ centos8Sep 29 19:43
XRevan86and sentSep 29 19:44
r_schestowitzDentOSSep 29 19:45
r_schestowitzdOSSep 29 19:45
r_schestowitzOSD, on screen dSep 29 19:45
r_schestowitzsystemd fills up /tmp on our servers with centosSep 29 19:46
r_schestowitzI have to run a cron job twice a week to clear itSep 29 19:46
XRevan86it doesn't do that on my serversSep 29 19:46
r_schestowitzI got used to it being 'normal' :-)Sep 29 19:46
dyfetit filled up memory on my raspian rpiSep 29 19:46
r_schestowitzit piles up session filesSep 29 19:46
r_schestowitzhttpd-relates crashes create large files, under /tmpSep 29 19:47
XRevan86schestowitz: I remember you mentioning it, and even finding out the technical reason behind that. But alas don't remember more.Sep 29 19:47
r_schestowitzhttpd-relates crashes create large files, under /tmpSep 29 19:47
r_schestowitz find /tmp -maxdepth 3 -type f -name "magick-*"  -deleteSep 29 19:48
r_schestowitz5 06 * * 1,4 /root/clear-archive.sh Sep 29 19:48
XRevan86schestowitz: Why is that related to systemd though?Sep 29 19:48
dyfetit also mmap's them...Sep 29 19:49
XRevan86just because it's inside a systemd-private-something directory?Sep 29 19:49
r_schestowitzfind /tmp -maxdepth 3 -type f -name "magick-*"Sep 29 19:49
r_schestowitz/tmp/systemd-private-2415820b7ceb4fa1866ec6b5a2a88f61-httpd.service-tDSNdp/tmp/magick-vco6gHjiSep 29 19:49
XRevan86Without systemd it would've been /tmp/magick-vco6gHjiSep 29 19:49
scientes^Sep 29 19:50
r_schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16106498#2bb028b0c51701373d73047d7b62795eSep 29 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Shortly After #RichardStallman Says He's Head of #GNU He Writes “I Hereby Step Down as Head of the GNU Project, Effective Immediately” http://techrights.org/2019/09/28/rms-being-canceled/ #fsf #rms #freesw Sep 29 19:50
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 19:50
r_schestowitzLol yes it’s there. WTF is going on.Sep 29 19:50
scientesbut systemd should clean the /tmp when the service quits...Sep 29 19:50
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r_schestowitzSep 29 19:50
r_schestowitztomgrz - 4 minutes ago Sep 29 19:50
r_schestowitzIf the site is untrustworthy, we best ignore it.Sep 29 19:50
r_schestowitzSep 29 19:50
r_schestowitzfreemedia@share.naturalnews.com - 3 minutes ago Sep 29 19:50
r_schestowitzfor fucks sake.Sep 29 19:50
r_schestowitzhttps://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#29_September_2019_(GNU_Project)Sep 29 19:50
r_schestowitzwell at least we know its fake now. what the serious fuck is going on?Sep 29 19:50
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2019: July - October Political Notes - Richard StallmanSep 29 19:50
r_schestowitzI can clear it by restarting httpdSep 29 19:51
XRevan86Yes, with systemd it's possible to clean those up semi-automatically by restarting httpd.serviceSep 29 19:51
r_schestowitzbut not otherwiseSep 29 19:51
XRevan86Without systemd it wouldn't've been possible.Sep 29 19:51
XRevan86schestowitz: So you're using systemd *features* to mitigate the issue, he-he.Sep 29 19:51
r_schestowitzI used to restart httpdSep 29 19:51
r_schestowitztessier_ and I spent a lot of time trying to figure it outSep 29 19:51
r_schestowitzat the end, instead of stopping service to visSep 29 19:52
r_schestowitzi*visitors, I decided to just delete the files directlySep 29 19:52
r_schestowitz(it became cronned later)Sep 29 19:52
r_schestowitz"I confirm the anomaly. We're probably dealing with the NSA and other three letter agencies."Sep 29 19:52
scientesTLAsSep 29 19:53
*XRevan86 got a reply from a bot saying that RMS is away from email.Sep 29 19:53
scientes(not to be   confused with TLAs or Three Letter   Acronyms)Sep 29 19:53
r_schestowitzwell, we need some whistleblowersSep 29 19:53
r_schestowitzFSF at leastSep 29 19:53
r_schestowitzor mediaSep 29 19:53
scientesXRevan86, everyone gets thatSep 29 19:53
r_schestowitzVice maybeSep 29 19:53
r_schestowitzBill Gates, for example, had child porn at home, there was an arrestSep 29 19:53
r_schestowitzBut that's just one theory about who could use a diversion/distractionSep 29 19:54
XRevan86schestowitz: Three letter agencies bothering to put a forged blogpost? Now that's close to paranoid.Sep 29 19:54
r_schestowitzwe really need some FSF whistleblower to explain why he was removedSep 29 19:54
r_schestowitzI heard one Board member dissented and defended RMSSep 29 19:54
r_schestowitzXRevan86: no, not that, the person above is quoted Sep 29 19:55
r_schestowitz(from diaspora)Sep 29 19:55
r_schestowitzGOOG is a 4-letter agency ;-)Sep 29 19:55
XRevan86Sapiens is close to paranoid then %)Sep 29 19:55
r_schestowitzaka alphabet agency :-) works closely with them anywaySep 29 19:55
r_schestowitzXRevan86: he's always like thatSep 29 19:55
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 6 cool and fun Linux commands you don’t want to miss http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/128658 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5215e433-7f39-42ea-8eda-114b95d9be69]Sep 29 19:58
r_schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16106498#a8ef9d90c5180137098f7a163ef10931Sep 29 20:00
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Shortly After #RichardStallman Says He's Head of #GNU He Writes “I Hereby Step Down as Head of the GNU Project, Effective Immediately” http://techrights.org/2019/09/28/rms-being-canceled/ #fsf #rms #freesw Sep 29 20:00
r_schestowitzNo need to let the site confuse us further.Sep 29 20:00
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r_schestowitz tomgrzSep 29 20:00
r_schestowitztomgrz - 3 minutes ago Sep 29 20:00
r_schestowitzWho is personally closest to RMS?Sep 29 20:00
r_schestowitz tomix@diasporing.chSep 29 20:00
r_schestowitztomix@diasporing.ch - 2 minutes ago Sep 29 20:00
r_schestowitzIt’s good to know we cannot trust statements on that site right now. I only believe statements that are actually said by RMS publicly or were confirmed by him.Sep 29 20:00
r_schestowitz TrocatintasSep 29 20:00
r_schestowitzTrocatintas - about a minute ago Sep 29 20:00
r_schestowitzI wonder if they’re not also screwing with his older “controversial” statements.Sep 29 20:00
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 20:00
r_schestowitzTom is reliableSep 29 20:00
r_schestowitzThat last one is notSep 29 20:00
MinceR29 204640 < XRevan86> it doesn't do that on my serversSep 29 20:00
MinceRit doesn't do that on mine eitherSep 29 20:00
MinceRbut that's because it doesn't get to run on mineSep 29 20:00
MinceR:>Sep 29 20:00
XRevan86MinceR: Scroll down, I've remembered about the issue more.Sep 29 20:01
XRevan86not systemd relatedSep 29 20:01
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XRevan86Something that's run by httpd is leaving ImageMagick-related left-oversSep 29 20:02
r_schestowitzmaybe journaldSep 29 20:02
r_schestowitzbut either way, it didn't do that beforeSep 29 20:02
r_schestowitzwe had used centos since pre-systemd daysSep 29 20:02
XRevan86schestowitz: I assume you're using mod_php.Sep 29 20:02
r_schestowitzsame wiki software, which is where these imagemagick dumps come fromSep 29 20:03
XRevan86schestowitz: Well, it's hard to tell why it suddenly started leaving stuff behind.Sep 29 20:05
XRevan86schestowitz: But I can say that if you'd disable mod_php and use php-fpm instead, the tmpfiles will change location.Sep 29 20:05
XRevan86mod_php also forces your Apache httpd to use mpm_prefork.Sep 29 20:06
scientesapache............Sep 29 20:09
XRevan86scientes: You're observant %)Sep 29 20:10
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XRevan86https://salsa.debian.org/php-team/php/blob/master-5.6/debian/php-fpm.conf anyway, here's the config for php-fpm.Sep 29 20:11
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XRevan86CentOS doesn't bundle one like it, I've checked.Sep 29 20:11
XRevan86www.conf <http://www.conf> in CentOS 7 listens to 127.0.0.1:9000, I didn't expect that.Sep 29 20:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.conf | NO TITLESep 29 20:12
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XRevan86scientes: Do you know how SetHandler works in Apache httpd?Sep 29 20:13
MinceR29 210500 < XRevan86> schestowitz: Well, it's hard to tell why it suddenly started leaving stuff behind.Sep 29 20:13
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MinceRbecause it's bloated garbage which was hacked up by evil incompetents?Sep 29 20:13
XRevan86MinceR: Don't say systemd karma.Sep 29 20:13
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XRevan86MinceR: ImageMagick or MediaWiki?Sep 29 20:14
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MinceRsystemdSep 29 20:14
XRevan86* why MediaWiki suddenly started leaving stuff behindSep 29 20:14
XRevan86Am I right to assume this will work: SetHandler "fcgi://127.0.0.1:9000"Sep 29 20:16
XRevan86schestowitz: Have I been able to interest you in ditching mod_php? :)Sep 29 20:17
MinceRs/mod_//Sep 29 20:18
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XRevan86Oh well, the VM is to be re-done either way.Sep 29 20:19
XRevan86scientes: You probably noticed what position schestowitz has over nginx…Sep 29 20:22
scientesno, I didn'tSep 29 20:22
scientesgod damn Russians and their thieving evil waysSep 29 20:23
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scientes:)Sep 29 20:23
XRevan86It's owned by a US company, as all things should be %)Sep 29 20:24
scientesking of kings, eh?Sep 29 20:25
XRevan86sur-kingSep 29 20:26
r_schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16106498#67a4d890c51a013752690cc47a07853cSep 29 20:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Shortly After #RichardStallman Says He's Head of #GNU He Writes “I Hereby Step Down as Head of the GNU Project, Effective Immediately” http://techrights.org/2019/09/28/rms-being-canceled/ #fsf #rms #freesw Sep 29 20:26
r_schestowitz"I fear for Dr Stallman’s life. :/ (They could always claim it was suicide.)"Sep 29 20:26
XRevan86СуркинSep 29 20:26
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scientesinteger part of floating point value out of boundsSep 29 20:28
scientesholy fuckSep 29 20:28
scienteswhat a bunch of childish fucksSep 29 20:28
XRevan86scientes: Where did you see that?Sep 29 20:29
scienteshttp://techrights.org/2019/09/29/fsf-defaced-rms/Sep 29 20:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | FSF May Not be Trustworthy Anymore, It’s Believed/Said to Have Just Defaced Richard Stallman’s Personal Web Site | TechrightsSep 29 20:29
scientesXRevan86, just my copy bufferSep 29 20:29
r_schestowitz??Sep 29 20:29
r_schestowitzwhat do you mean?Sep 29 20:29
scientesthe defacing partSep 29 20:29
r_schestowitzpointer?Sep 29 20:30
scientes<scientes> integer part of floating point value out of boundsSep 29 20:30
scientesthat is a zig errorSep 29 20:30
r_schestowitznot our site but RMS', right?Sep 29 20:30
r_schestowitzwe already had one incident todaySep 29 20:30
scientesyeahSep 29 20:30
r_schestowitznot secuity-relatedSep 29 20:30
r_schestowitzgot me really worried we too had been picked onSep 29 20:30
XRevan86scientes: Interesting how they store their floats.Sep 29 20:31
scientesXRevan86, ? that is from @floatToIntSep 29 20:31
XRevan86scientes: ohSep 29 20:31
XRevan86scientes: I imagined something like NUMERIC from SQL (:Sep 29 20:32
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scientesXRevan86, the latest scaleways dedicated servers are raid0Sep 29 20:39
scientesor rather mirroringSep 29 20:39
scientesi can't remember those stupid numbersSep 29 20:40
scientes2x256gb mirroredSep 29 20:40
XRevan86scientes: The ones that are expensive?Sep 29 20:40
dyfeti have to head off, but i do remain deeply worriedSep 29 20:40
scientesits free right now for 1 more daySep 29 20:40
scientesand i just need to crunch some numbers overnightSep 29 20:40
scientesor rather build glibc overnightSep 29 20:40
r_schestowitzdyfet: we all areSep 29 20:41
scientesalready been running 100% for 2 hoursSep 29 20:41
dyfetyep...and no clear answers yet.Sep 29 20:41
r_schestowitzvery corporateSep 29 20:41
r_schestowitzgot to "look good" to "the client"Sep 29 20:41
XRevan86scientes: That fixes everything?Sep 29 20:42
XRevan86scientes: I'll ask again tomorrow %)Sep 29 20:42
scienteshehSep 29 20:42
scientesi suppose that makes reads faster?Sep 29 20:42
scientesas it can just read off of one side?Sep 29 20:42
dyfetin the US it can also be spooky (cia).  but a topic for another day.Sep 29 20:43
r_schestowitzwe know Ecuador spied on Assange for cIASep 29 20:44
r_schestowitzvia a Spanish firmSep 29 20:44
r_schestowitzbut usually it takes longer to dclassifySep 29 20:44
r_schestowitzesp. now that wikileaks is not around to give things like Vault7Sep 29 20:44
r_schestowitzStallman's mate Noam had it confirmed CIA had spied on him for decadesSep 29 20:44
r_schestowitzI don't see why RMS would be any differentSep 29 20:44
scientesNoam Chomsky?Sep 29 20:45
dyfetI will simply note the cia, entities like inqtel, etc, are also deeply entangled in US crypto companies, communications, and computing, so that would not surprise me.Sep 29 20:45
r_schestowitzscientes: yes, it was confirmed years agoSep 29 20:45
scienteskinda obviousSep 29 20:45
r_schestowitzhttps://agaric.coop/blog/noam-chomsky-and-richard-stallman-meeting-oneSep 29 20:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-agaric.coop | Noam Chomsky and Richard Stallman - Meeting OneSep 29 20:46
scienteshttps://agaric.coop/sites/default/files/inline-images/richard-stallman-noam-chomsky.jpgSep 29 20:46
r_schestowitzhttps://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/13/exclusive-after-multiple-denials-cia-admits-to-snooping-on-noam-chomsky/Sep 29 20:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-foreignpolicy.com | Exclusive: After Multiple Denials, CIA Admits to Snooping on Noam Chomsky – Foreign PolicySep 29 20:46
r_schestowitztechrights posted many links about it at the timeSep 29 20:47
r_schestowitzthey probably spy on dyfet tooSep 29 20:47
aindilishttp://www.casos.cs.cmu.edu/publications/papers/CMU-ISR-08-124.pdfSep 29 20:47
aindilisall of usSep 29 20:47
r_schestowitzhe works on ecryptionSep 29 20:47
r_schestowitzthey also spy on crypto folks, even very "small time" ones whose software barely anyone has usedSep 29 20:48
r_schestowitzaindilis: it's a classification thingSep 29 20:48
scientesaindilis, how does that have anything to do with computer science?Sep 29 20:48
r_schestowitz"how much'" depends on what lists you are onSep 29 20:48
aindilissorry to interject but they could have used email metadata to identify factions in FSF and destruct the org by simulating power dynamicsSep 29 20:49
r_schestowitzcorporations stand to gain more than the stateSep 29 20:50
r_schestowitzand they have ownership of media, tooSep 29 20:51
dyfetthey do like appropriating crypto people, thru deception if they have to.  defcon is their recruiting playground.Sep 29 20:51
r_schestowitz> im withdrawing my support of ben mako hill if he remains silent about rms at this point.Sep 29 20:55
r_schestowitz> Sep 29 20:55
r_schestowitz> ive long wondered if he stands up enough for these things or not, and ive always been hopeful.Sep 29 20:55
r_schestowitz> Sep 29 20:55
r_schestowitz> oliva is standing up for his friend, where the hell is everybody else? cowards. if they turn their backs on him, i turn my back on them. its that simple.Sep 29 20:55
r_schestowitzIs Oliva the one on the Board who dissented?Sep 29 20:55
r_schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/16106498#75622e30c52001373d77047d7b62795eSep 29 20:59
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 20:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Shortly After #RichardStallman Says He's Head of #GNU He Writes “I Hereby Step Down as Head of the GNU Project, Effective Immediately” http://techrights.org/2019/09/28/rms-being-canceled/ #fsf #rms #freesw Sep 29 20:59
r_schestowitzSep 29 20:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Shortly After Richard Stallman Says He’s Head of GNU He Writes “I Hereby Step Down as Head of the GNU Project, Effective Immediately” (Updated) | TechrightsSep 29 20:59
r_schestowitzWell they killed Aaron Swartz, but Stallman is pretty old already, I hope he's not actually getting murdered.Sep 29 20:59
r_schestowitz"Sep 29 20:59
scientesRussians were also refused visas for the UN Sep 29 21:01
scientes<r_schestowitz> Well they killed Aaron Swartz, but Stallman is pretty old already, I hope he's not actually getting murdered.Sep 29 21:01
scientes<r_schestowitz> "Sep 29 21:01
scienteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSkm5HfqzScSep 29 21:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Rusia prepara una "sorpresa" para EE.UU. por no emitir visas para delegados a la ONU - YouTubeSep 29 21:01
scienteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UV22UQRLfISep 29 21:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BREAKING! Russia's FM Lavrov Reacts To Americans BANNING Russian UN Delegetation From UN in New York - YouTubeSep 29 21:02
dyfetwow, that's another thing...Sep 29 21:04
r_schestowitzNo Lav for Lavrov?Sep 29 21:05
scientesIt was retaliation for his UN speechSep 29 21:05
scienteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF_BC5KXp_USep 29 21:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-🇷🇺 Russian Federation - Minister for Foreign Affairs Addresses General Debate, 74th Session - YouTubeSep 29 21:05
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dyfetBecause he promoted arms control...?Sep 29 21:07
scienteshe did say "confidence in the dollar has waned"Sep 29 21:08
scienteswith is tantamount to saying that jesus was a bastardSep 29 21:08
scientes*isSep 29 21:09
dyfetYes, rejecting US dollars seems to get some countries invaded...Sep 29 21:09
r_schestowitzLibyaSep 29 21:09
scientesIraqSep 29 21:09
dyfetyepSep 29 21:09
r_schestowitzSame for Sterling in the fall of the EmpireSep 29 21:09
r_schestowitzPetrodollar gets them a good exchange with nations that 'sit' on lots of oilSep 29 21:10
r_schestowitzimagine KSA trading in YuanSep 29 21:10
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scientesRussia and China are already doing thatSep 29 21:10
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dyfetwell, I do have to go for nowSep 29 21:15
r_schestowitzcya soonSep 29 21:16
dyfetyepSep 29 21:16
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cardpuncherHave you seen this? The FSFE welcomes Stallman's resignation: <https://fsfe.org/news/2019/news-20190917-01.en.html>... :-/Sep 29 21:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fsfe.org | Richard Stallman resigns as president of the Free Software FoundationSep 29 21:20
r_schestowitz I saw thatSep 29 21:22
r_schestowitzthey had gone rogue beforehandSep 29 21:22
r_schestowitzGreve is not there anymore, I don't know who runs itSep 29 21:22
r_schestowitzHuge Roy also vanishedSep 29 21:22
cardpuncherI remember when I had switched to Ubuntu GNU/Linux from Windows, I wrote an email to rms to tell something like "Hey, one more Linux user".Sep 29 21:24
XRevan86cardpuncher: And he interjected? :)Sep 29 21:25
cardpuncherStupid idea, right? He took the time to send an answer, explaining it wasn't just Linux. Now it's time to send a support message I guessSep 29 21:25
MinceRtechnically that is correct thoughSep 29 21:25
MinceRall GNU/Linux users do use Linux :>Sep 29 21:25
XRevan86Did anyone with Alpine send such an email?Sep 29 21:26
r_schestowitz:-)Sep 29 21:26
XRevan86or with a Clang based distro such as MageiaSep 29 21:26
r_schestowitzI didn't know RMS when I first used Linux Sep 29 21:26
r_schestowitzheck, i ddin't even know Torvalds :-)Sep 29 21:26
aindilisr_schestowitz: do you use Emacs and or ERC?  I think I asked you this before but I cannot find the answer in my logs.Sep 29 21:38
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psydroidscientes, I found out a few days ago (via an RT video) that Russia and India are going to conduct mutual business in their respective national currencies, I can only imagine what kind of upheaval that is going to causeSep 29 21:56
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MinceRhttp://explosm.net/comics/5362/Sep 29 21:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cyanide & Happiness (Explosm.net)Sep 29 21:59
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cardpuncherGood night everybodySep 29 22:10
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MinceRhttps://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/22/fedc3eb879dfdd5e.mp4Sep 29 22:34
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