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[02:16]	MinceR	https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/trolley-5
[02:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Trolley
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[04:43]	MinceR	https://nitter.net/MikeSington/status/1343605614035943434
[04:43]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.net | Mike Sington (@MikeSington): "The Trump Hotel in Washington DC has conceded the election. Theyve unblocked all the rooms they had reserved for Inauguration Week, and have made them available to anyone, at a 25% discount." | nitter
● Dec 29
[05:34]	schestowitz	https://www.maketecheasier.com/what-is-6g/#respond
[05:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | What Is 6G and How Does It Work? - Make Tech Easier
[05:34]	schestowitz	lol, 6g
[05:34]	schestowitz	10g coming soon
[05:45]	schestowitz	this is buzzwords-centric crap
[05:45]	schestowitz	china has the XG, watch out, soon X+1G
[05:45]	schestowitz	no actual substance to it
[05:45]	schestowitz	scaremongering and marketing
[05:49]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/22/politics/pat-robertson-trump-2020-election/index.html
[05:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Televangelist Pat Robertson says Trump lives in an 'alternate reality' and should move on from election loss - CNNPolitics
[05:49]	DaemonFC[m]	"I had prayed and hoped that there might be some better solution, but I think it's all over," said Robertson, who previously said he was told by God that Trump would win the 2020 election.
[05:49]	DaemonFC[m]	God had bad information. He must watch OANN.
[05:49]	schestowitz	CNN: X says
[05:49]	schestowitz	nice 'reporting'
[05:50]	schestowitz	even if X is a k00k
[05:50]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: Robertson is the reason grandma had end of the world food piled under the beds in her house.
[05:50]	schestowitz	if there is an end of world
[05:51]	schestowitz	there's no time to eat it
[05:51]	DaemonFC[m]	A sack of sugar turned into a brick and Gonad broke his toe on it while he was there moving something.
[05:51]	DaemonFC[m]	Y2K that time.
[05:51]	DaemonFC[m]	She just left it all under there for like 6-7 years.
[05:51]	schestowitz	what a waste of food!
[05:51]	DaemonFC[m]	Mom said grandma came over with her Cadillac trunk full of canned food with expiration dates years past.
[05:52]	DaemonFC[m]	And she was like "Now you just ignore those dates. It's still fine to eat!".
[05:52]	DaemonFC[m]	And they waved bye and then tossed it all in the garbage.
[05:53]	DaemonFC[m]	Then mom lived with Grandma for a couple years after the divorce from Dave and found a garage full of hoarded food that she had to throw out.
[05:53]	DaemonFC[m]	I mean it was just constant.
[05:54]	DaemonFC[m]	My grandmother has always been pretty far off, but hoarding food and then letting it all go bad was just a small part of it.
[05:55]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: It's bothering me, the immigration appt next month. I feel like it's crunch time and I'm going to forget some homework or something.
[05:56]	DaemonFC[m]	It was affecting my sleep last night. I know that's crazy. I only have to assemble two packets of information for them, but it's like after 2 years this is it. And we'll probably win, but maybe not.
[05:56]	DaemonFC[m]	They'll decide whatever it is they'll decide and there's not a lot I can do about it.
[05:59]	DaemonFC[m]	I don't have many pictures from this year to bring in.
[05:59]	DaemonFC[m]	It wasn't really a year of going out and doing things.
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[06:05]	schestowitz	yeah, makes sense
[06:05]	schestowitz	they might even be understanding
[06:05]	schestowitz	well, tbh, head-shaving doesn't leave a very good impression
[06:06]	schestowitz	just make sure nobody says something stupid
[06:06]	schestowitz	better to say too little than to utter what justifies red ink
[06:06]	schestowitz	anyway, about food hoarding...
[06:06]	schestowitz	brexit and covid gave people some reasons to do the same
[06:07]	schestowitz	but if you hoard food for a temporary period of uncertainty, then at least use it when that period is over
[06:07]	schestowitz	at least swap it with newer food
[06:08]	schestowitz	they like to mock "stupid" people (some of them types would say "sheeple") for not hoarding food for tough times, but if they buy food and let it spoil, who's stupid after all?
[06:12]	schestowitz	I've seen this in LOADS of sites yesterday https://www.wlwt.com/article/if-you-want-to-travel-next-year-you-may-need-a-vaccine-passport/35076931
[06:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wlwt.com | If you want to travel next year, you may need a vaccine passport
[06:12]	schestowitz	this is sort of fear-mongering
[06:12]	schestowitz	tell us when there's a vaccine
[06:12]	schestowitz	what we have now is for-profit clinical trials
[06:12]	schestowitz	we know little about
[06:12]	schestowitz	efficacy
[06:12]	schestowitz	inc. in the face of mutations
[06:12]	schestowitz	like the latest strains observed in S Africa and Western Europe
[06:13]	schestowitz	we also have no idea about long-term side effect, though we already know people with allergies suffer short-term side-effects
[06:13]	schestowitz	so they're basically blackmailing people
[06:13]	schestowitz	and putting the shame sort of squeeze on them
[06:13]	schestowitz	if people were prevented from flying for rejecting these clinical trials
[06:13]	schestowitz	I'd say, "OK"
[06:14]	schestowitz	So I'm staying here. Nothing against vaccinations in general...
[06:14]	schestowitz	Like my dad told me yesterday, "let those other people try it first and see if that even increases their chances of survival and all"
[06:14]	DaemonFC[m]	They buy food and let it spoil and there went hundreds or thousands of dollars that they would have had to pay the rent.
[06:15]	schestowitz	And yes, I know that if too few people take the vaccines it reduces the overall effect ("herd immunity" in the VACCINE sense, not the nihilist sense of Trump and his "HERD")
[06:15]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: hundreds or thousands of dollars?
[06:15]	schestowitz	wait, how MUCH food fits in that garage?
[06:16]	schestowitz	surely a roomfull of normal foods like sugar would not cost more than several thousands
[06:16]	schestowitz	and under the bed just hundreds
[06:22]	schestowitz	people can do better things to assure personal security in Western societies
[06:22]	schestowitz	food hoarding isn't the immediate need in most cases
[06:23]	schestowitz	as with some other goods you can get food from neighbours or other people
[06:23]	schestowitz	even if prices soar
[06:23]	schestowitz	You'd then have to worry about break-ins as well
[06:23]	schestowitz	so people in the US stockpile ammo and firearms
[06:24]	schestowitz	those are a lot more effective at forcibly taking food from other people
[06:24]	schestowitz	also, rich nations stockpile food
[06:24]	schestowitz	at a federal level
[06:24]	schestowitz	state level
[06:24]	schestowitz	so they can always resort to emergency rationing
[06:25]	schestowitz	with martial law and military intervention inland to keep the hooligans down
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[06:31]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: Under two twin sized beds, under a king bed, in the garage, and an entire Cadillac trunk.
[06:32]	schestowitz	but "hundreds or thousands of dollars"?
[06:32]	DaemonFC[m]	So even if it was cheap canned veggies, pantry staples, and stuff, yes, perhaps thousands of dollars.
[06:32]	schestowitz	I assume canned, but you mentioned sugar
[06:32]	DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, sugar isn't terribly expensive.
[06:32]	DaemonFC[m]	Maybe two bucks for each 4 pound bag.
[06:32]	schestowitz	canned vegs also
[06:33]	DaemonFC[m]	Canned vegetables? well, she doesn't buy generic
[06:33]	schestowitz	a whole BOX of them would be about 20 dollars
[06:33]	DaemonFC[m]	And she shopped at Marsh.
[06:33]	schestowitz	so 10 boxes under a bed... maybe 200 dollars
[06:33]	DaemonFC[m]	So probably $1.50 per can maybe.
[06:33]	DaemonFC[m]	When it would have been 50-75 cents as generic, depending on the store.
[06:33]	schestowitz	still, maybe 400 dollars worth under a bed
[06:33]	schestowitz	and the car boot (trunk)
[06:34]	DaemonFC[m]	Okay, so probably closing in on a thousand dollars total over the years based on the amounts I heard of.
[06:34]	DaemonFC[m]	Still, god damn...
[06:34]	schestowitz	if you showed this in Tondo, they'd be furious
[06:34]	schestowitz	an aged person collecting food just to spoil
[06:34]	schestowitz	and good food, too
[06:34]	schestowitz	a lot of food is grown where people very old work the fields
[06:35]	schestowitz	and still cannot feed themselves
[06:35]	DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, I go through the Walmart buying last day meat and dented cans and bags of flour and sugar they had to tape shut.
[06:35]	schestowitz	Walmart is the future of the US
[06:35]	schestowitz	a bunch of people fighting over cans and bags
[06:36]	schestowitz	and a few oligarchs running the food walmart
[06:36]	schestowitz	and the data walmart (amazon)
[06:36]	schestowitz	the OS walmart
[06:36]	schestowitz	search walmart
[06:36]	DaemonFC[m]	Maricel had an order for three pair of Apple airpods or whatever they call them.
[06:36]	DaemonFC[m]	$600 worth of earbuds.
[06:36]	schestowitz	basically government franchises
[06:36]	schestowitz	monopolies
[06:36]	schestowitz	unless you work for (with) them, you're finished
[06:36]	schestowitz	and they won't care
[06:36]	DaemonFC[m]	I told Mandy let someone else take it out to her and don't go out there until she's gone.
[06:36]	schestowitz	"line up at walmart for your ration"
[06:37]	schestowitz	[06:36] <DaemonFC[m]> Maricel had an order for three pair of Apple airpods or whatever they call them.
[06:37]	schestowitz	this is classy
[06:37]	schestowitz	they don't even own a house
[06:37]	schestowitz	it's mortgaged
[06:37]	schestowitz	the bank owns it
[06:37]	schestowitz	but it's about keeping up appearance
[06:37]	DaemonFC[m]	Don't forget came to foreclose on it.
[06:37]	DaemonFC[m]	Sued them. Settled out of court.
[06:37]	schestowitz	classic Filipino mindset, not limited to .ph BTW
[06:38]	schestowitz	"I don't have a toilet"
[06:38]	schestowitz	"but... I have IPHONE!!"
[06:38]	schestowitz	"I am.... smart and rich"
[06:38]	schestowitz	(BTW, the 'iPhone is on monthly installments... so you don't own that either ;-) )
[06:39]	schestowitz	I see lots of these fools with their "Doctor [sic] Dre" BS "beats"
[06:39]	schestowitz	to show they can afford the overhyped brand
[06:39]	DaemonFC[m]	I just bought my phone with cash.
[06:39]	schestowitz	you pay for marketing of this "made in China" plastic crap
[06:39]	schestowitz	and then you have some old phone with nothing but lousy, lossy mp3 and headphones jack on it
[06:40]	schestowitz	so you get no benefits out of better-quality headphones anyway
[06:40]	schestowitz	but these people are so "smart" they don't even know anything about audio and hi-fi
[06:40]	schestowitz	the important thing is that each ear of yours says "b" on it (in lowercase, "beats")
[06:40]	schestowitz	so people know, "I can afford!"
[06:41]	schestowitz	they'd be much better off buying something like a Raspberry Pi (basically a PC!) with that money
[06:41]	schestowitz	[06:39] <DaemonFC[m]> I just bought my phone with cash.
[06:41]	schestowitz	funny you mention it
[06:41]	schestowitz	in my personal blog I wrote about it a decade ago
[06:42]	DaemonFC[m]	Because the iPhone is like 4 times as expensive as a really capable Android phone.
[06:42]	schestowitz	I tried to survey shops around here, finding out which shops still allowed it
[06:42]	schestowitz	some shops here no longer accept cash
[06:42]	DaemonFC[m]	But the Microsoft nagware is still after me.
[06:42]	schestowitz	inc. some stores that sell phones
[06:42]	DaemonFC[m]	When I open my photo gallery, there's an occasional plea to sign up for Onedrive and you can select now or later, and it reminds you in a few weeks to sign up for Onedrive.
[06:43]	schestowitz	iPhone is just a brand and digital 'store' with an inferior (limited) selection of "apps" compared to Android
[06:43]	schestowitz	Microsoft works for the US government
[06:43]	schestowitz	not sending a copy of all your photos to Clown Computing is an act of domestic terrorism for sure
[06:44]	schestowitz	next thing you know a DC in Nashville blows up and the FBI, without even knowing who did this, decides it must be some crank who opposes 5G based on a conspiracy theory like "5G causes coronavirus"
[06:45]	schestowitz	new fud just bumped up https://threatpost.com/pgminer-monero-mining-botnet/162209/
[06:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-PGMiner, Innovative Monero-Mining Botnet, Surprises Researchers | Threatpost
[06:45]	schestowitz	this past hour
[06:45]	schestowitz	so you can misconfigure things to let intruders in
[06:46]	schestowitz	not a postgres issue
[06:46]	schestowitz	not a linux issue
[06:46]	schestowitz	but no coverage about NSA back doors
[06:46]	schestowitz	that doesn't matter, does it?
[06:46]	schestowitz	for sites like "Threatpost"
[06:46]	schestowitz	The threat is not back doors
[06:46]	schestowitz	it's sysadmins who are poorly trained
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[06:51]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: The puff pieces actually reveal how little vision Bill Gates had.
[06:51]	DaemonFC[m]	He was opposed to the Xbox.
[06:52]	schestowitz	Bill Gates and vision?
[06:52]	schestowitz	He had schemes
[06:52]	DaemonFC[m]	Hard sell to get him to approve it.
[06:52]	schestowitz	not vision
[06:52]	DaemonFC[m]	THey had to get that one past him and he almost blocked it.
[06:53]	schestowitz	how to kill competitors, that was the priority
[06:53]	DaemonFC[m]	Now they say it's one of their highest performing business units.
[06:53]	schestowitz	they might just lie
[06:53]	schestowitz	xbox lost billions
[06:53]	DaemonFC[m]	He almost cost them something that outperforms Windows or Office, for crying out loud.
[06:53]	schestowitz	the earlier models
[06:53]	schestowitz	not sure about the latest
[06:53]	schestowitz	but I doubt it sells too well, either
[06:54]	schestowitz	studios bought by the xbox unit were shut down
[06:54]	schestowitz	like several we wrote about
[06:54]	DaemonFC[m]	They spun off Bungie into its own company again.
[06:54]	schestowitz	so waste of money
[06:54]	DaemonFC[m]	They're doing games for the Playstation as well now like Destiny.
[06:54]	schestowitz	buying, killing, then letting go
[06:54]	schestowitz	minecraft... one heck of a waste of money?
[06:54]	schestowitz	did they ever get anything out of it?
[06:54]	DaemonFC[m]	It's in the Windows Store.
[06:55]	schestowitz	just because they make games doesn't mean they profit
[06:55]	DaemonFC[m]	They have a Windows 10 special edition of Minecraft.
[06:55]	schestowitz	the US taxpayers bailed out disney
[06:55]	schestowitz	and yet they made many movies
[06:55]	DaemonFC[m]	PPP loans, unemployment benefits for the workers, etc. I guess.
[06:55]	schestowitz	US propaganda to disseminate worldwide for "hegemony"
[06:55]	DaemonFC[m]	The Disney reopening was a disaster.
[06:55]	DaemonFC[m]	Predictably. And yet they tried to open the theme parks anyway.
[06:56]	schestowitz	anyway, I'm not blindly buying into this whole "xbox success" BS
[06:56]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2010/04/15/modern-sweatshops/
[06:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Enabling Slavery and Original Xbox Live Dies | Techrights
[06:56]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/XBox_Reality_Log
[06:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | XBox Reality Log - Techrights
[06:56]	schestowitz	be careful not to repeat Microsoft lies
[06:56]	schestowitz	Xbox is NO success story
[06:57]	schestowitz	they were losing billions last time I checked
[06:57]	schestowitz	MANY businesses run at a loss
[06:57]	schestowitz	where do you think 27 TRILLIONS (soon more) dollars end up?
[06:57]	schestowitz	Some people pocket that money, taxpayers just foot the bill by promising to pay that back in the future
[06:58]	schestowitz	they're done looting the capital
[06:58]	schestowitz	and to maintain a broken system they not loot FUTURE (or prospective, might not even exist, i.e. default/bankruptcy/insolvency) capital
[06:58]	schestowitz	 s/not/now
[06:59]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-overrides-trump-veto-of-defense-bill/ar-BB1ciF9I?OCID=ansmsnnews11
[06:59]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.msn.com | House overrides Trump veto of defense bill
[06:59]	schestowitz	you get 'news' from Microsoft now?
[06:59]	schestowitz	Come on.
[06:59]	schestowitz	Can't be serious...
[06:59]	DaemonFC[m]	This was dumb. He cost the Senate a day of floor time that they could have been confirming judges with.
[06:59]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: Startpage news.
[06:59]	schestowitz	Microsoft 'News' (fired workers this year BTW) celebrating military budget
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[07:00]	DaemonFC[m]	Links to MSN sometimes.
[07:00]	schestowitz	endless money, some of it ending in Microsoft's bank account
[07:00]	schestowitz	startpage is spyware
[07:00]	schestowitz	anyway
[07:00]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: The Microsoft News app in Windows 10 has ads, but the same stories show up on MSN where the ad blocker works.
[07:01]	DaemonFC[m]	Most of the built-in apps can be removed, and few are worth keeping around.
[07:01]	schestowitz	cnn, msn etc. are rarely accurate news
[07:01]	schestowitz	it's curated for and by the owners
[07:01]	schestowitz	BTW, it's not a "defense bill"
[07:01]	schestowitz	there's lots more in there and it's war, not defense
[07:01]	schestowitz	or imperialism
[07:01]	DaemonFC[m]	They finally overrode something, and it was this.
[07:01]	schestowitz	calling it  "defense bill" misleads the reader
[07:01]	schestowitz	as they wish, obviously...
[07:02]	schestowitz	this military budget is monopoly enabler
[07:02]	schestowitz	The USA is finished for ordinary people
[07:02]	DaemonFC[m]	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Defender
[07:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Microsoft Defender - Wikipedia
[07:03]	schestowitz	all they have left, more of them over time, is expired food under the beds
[07:03]	DaemonFC[m]	I don't get why Microsoft bought GIANT if they were just going to completely rewrite the whole application.
[07:03]	schestowitz	the country's capital is now exclusively controlled by very few families
[07:03]	schestowitz	it's like Russia (post-USSR fall)
[07:03]	schestowitz	I know someone who works on that program
[07:03]	schestowitz	I don't even know if those things are profitable
[07:04]	schestowitz	they try to sell it for Linux now
[07:04]	schestowitz	not a good sign
[07:04]	schestowitz	it means they cannot sell it due to lack of x-platform support
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[07:05]	schestowitz	"Windows Defender was initially based on GIANT AntiSpyware, formerly developed by GIANT Company Software, Inc.[7] The company's acquisition was announced by Microsoft on December 16, 2004"
[07:05]	schestowitz	"Usually Microsoft doesn't develop products, we buy products. It's not a bad product, but bits and pieces are missing."
[07:05]	schestowitz	http://news.zdnet.co.uk/security/0,1000000189,39286351,00.htm
[07:05]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Technology News, Analysis, Comments and Product Reviews for IT Professionals | ZDNet
[07:06]	schestowitz	link is broken now
[07:06]	schestowitz	that was a quote from Arno Edelmann, Microsoft's European business security product manager
[07:06]	schestowitz	"Usually Microsoft doesn't develop products, we buy products"
[07:06]	schestowitz	That's Bill's "genius"
[07:06]	schestowitz	who needs to create something?
[07:06]	schestowitz	it's not like he could write decent code
[07:06]	schestowitz	he's a lousy and corrupt business person
[07:06]	schestowitz	who bribes media to paint him as "geek"
[07:07]	schestowitz	Zuckerberg was a geek
[07:07]	schestowitz	an evil one nonetheless as it turned out, even in early college days
[07:07]	schestowitz	Bill was never a geek
[07:07]	schestowitz	he just pretended to be one
[07:10]	DaemonFC[m]	The other antivirus companies were pretty pissed off.
[07:11]	DaemonFC[m]	They still include trialware with most new PCs and try to pressure you into buying it, not realizing that it doesn't work much better.
[07:12]	DaemonFC[m]	Would have been nice if Immigration could have scheduled this appointment a couple months later.
[07:13]	schestowitz	https://www.dailyfreeman.com/news/national/suspect-in-bowling-alley-shooting-served-in-afghanistan/article_90b6b9d5-5bbf-5fc2-b924-c9b62b9ec4fa.html
[07:13]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Lawyer: Soldier charged in Rockford shooting may have PTSD | National | dailyfreeman.com
[07:13]	DaemonFC[m]	I won't have filed our income taxes by the time of our meeting, so I just wrote in the comments that we haven't filed 2020's yet and would do so no later than the IRS deadline of April 15th, 2021.
[07:13]	schestowitz	"served"
[07:13]	schestowitz	occupied
[07:13]	schestowitz	those people serve a corporate empire, at best
[07:13]	schestowitz	the conditions are made to cause them to have to do it
[07:14]	schestowitz	and then they come back home and spread bullets
[07:14]	schestowitz	and they blame "PTSD"
[07:14]	DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, they make it so there are few jobs that you can get fresh out of high school anymore.
[07:14]	DaemonFC[m]	Then it pressures you to sign up for the military.
[07:14]	schestowitz	yeah
[07:15]	schestowitz	serves the model of the oligarchs
[07:15]	schestowitz	and keep college priced out of reach
[07:15]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: I was considering telling immigration that I have no Earthly idea what to do with all of this money in the savings account until we know whether Mandy can stay or not.
[07:15]	DaemonFC[m]	But I plan to open him a Roth IRA if they approve his case.
[07:15]	schestowitz	if you "serve" (the oligarchs, by killing loads of people abroad), we MIGHT give you a diploma and you MIGHT find a job
[07:15]	schestowitz	(if your brain still works OK after butchering people)
[07:16]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: It shocks me that most people have nothing in savings, at all.
[07:16]	schestowitz	ah
[07:16]	schestowitz	tell me about it
[07:16]	DaemonFC[m]	It's not always because they don't have a good job or something.
[07:16]	schestowitz	it's phrased wrong, Ryan
[07:16]	schestowitz	ask it differently
[07:16]	schestowitz	how many people do NOT have debt
[07:16]	kingoffrance	^
[07:16]	kingoffrance	yep
[07:16]	schestowitz	in your country I reckon only some very old people
[07:16]	schestowitz	those with a house
[07:16]	schestowitz	and used-to-have jobs
[07:16]	schestowitz	or pensions
[07:16]	DaemonFC[m]	We don't have debt.
[07:17]	kingoffrance	its also velocity to them, they consider it a good thing to some extent things move; savings just sit
[07:17]	schestowitz	the younger ones have mortgages
[07:17]	DaemonFC[m]	I had a lot before the bankruptcy though.
[07:17]	kingoffrance	some of it is purposely designed to make things move
[07:17]	DaemonFC[m]	That was mostly because of dickhead.
[07:17]	schestowitz	the even younger ones loan through 'credit' cardsd
[07:17]	schestowitz	they don't even manage to get a mortgage approved by a bank yet
[07:17]	kingoffrance	its somewhat considered more social to not have savings
[07:17]	schestowitz	[07:16] <DaemonFC[m]> We don't have debt.
[07:17]	schestowitz	You had it and canceled it
[07:18]	kingoffrance	savings is a guy who doesnt have to work; guy who doesnt have to work is not fair
[07:18]	schestowitz	you never paid it back, you filed for bankruptcy to annul about $100,000 in debt
[07:18]	kingoffrance	not pulling their weight etc.
[07:18]	schestowitz	how you racked up THAT much in debt in your mid 30s.... who knows...
[07:18]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: Correct, and $20,000 was a car in another state that John got.
[07:19]	DaemonFC[m]	And the rest was mostly legal expenses, living on one income while Immigration wouldn't allow Mandy to work, and medical bills.
[07:19]	schestowitz	https://purpleidea.com/blog/2020/12/28/working-at-amazon/
[07:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Working at Amazon - https://purpleidea.com/
[07:19]	schestowitz	kingoffrance: read this
[07:19]	schestowitz	planet fedora yesterday
[07:19]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: I quit paying on the car as soon as the plea agreement was negotiated.
[07:19]	schestowitz	after leaving red hat (IBM) he lived on savings
[07:19]	schestowitz	while still asking people to sponsor him/donate
[07:19]	DaemonFC[m]	Then I stopped paying and drove it around for a while because I didn't need John to shut up anymore.
[07:20]	schestowitz	and after they pay this SAVER he takes a job for BEZOS
[07:20]	schestowitz	that's like those 'nonprofits' who ask you to donate
[07:20]	schestowitz	and then they announce Google becomes a sponsor
[07:20]	schestowitz	or worse -- Microsoft
[07:20]	DaemonFC[m]	We were going under fast, schestowitz I had paid the hotel up as much as I could and then used cash on hand to keep paying them.
[07:20]	schestowitz	and you just pause there and think, "wth? I paid this bugger and then I'm just one of GAFAM?"
[07:20]	schestowitz	SFC, OSI etc. do this
[07:21]	DaemonFC[m]	It was sheer luck that Mandy got his work authorization before the money ran out for real that time.
[07:21]	schestowitz	some people DONATED to the LF ^_^ ^_^ ^_^
[07:21]	schestowitz	Maybe some people STILL do
[07:21]	schestowitz	or paid commissions with their plastic card purchases
[07:21]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: About $35,000 of that debt was zombie.
[07:22]	DaemonFC[m]	Hospital bills I had racked up years ago and walked away and nobody sued.
[07:22]	DaemonFC[m]	Things like that.
[07:22]	schestowitz	who lost the money then?
[07:22]	schestowitz	that you never paid back?
[07:22]	DaemonFC[m]	Theoretically, someone who paid their hospital bill.
[07:23]	schestowitz	great system you got there
[07:23]	schestowitz	maybe nationalise the bugger
[07:23]	DaemonFC[m]	Factually, they just make up obscene numbers and don't explain how they arrived at those figures.
[07:23]	schestowitz	and actually look after people's health
[07:23]	schestowitz	seems like hospitals there become banks
[07:23]	schestowitz	with their DEBT COLLECTORS
[07:23]	schestowitz	in-house or contracted
[07:24]	schestowitz	can a hospital initiative a foreclosure?
[07:24]	DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, they size you up for a lawsuit and if you're not worth it maybe they just don't ever sue you.
[07:24]	schestowitz	it's a strategy
[07:24]	schestowitz	not good for people's seleep
[07:24]	DaemonFC[m]	<schestowitz "can a hospital initiative a fore"> They can garnish your bank account and salary up to an amount allowed by state law.
[07:24]	schestowitz	but helps squeeze money for "peace of mind"
[07:24]	schestowitz	also keeps some lawyers employed
[07:25]	DaemonFC[m]	That's usually what a court will allow.
[07:25]	schestowitz	even if just for "being advisors"
[07:25]	schestowitz	so the hosptials work with the banks
[07:25]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: Illinois doesn't allow garnishments on bank accounts if it would bring you under $4,000 in total.
[07:25]	schestowitz	what next? Apple Store?
[07:25]	schestowitz	Can Apple Store also "garnish your bank account and salary up to an amount allowed by state law"?
[07:25]	DaemonFC[m]	And you can't garnish someone if it will bring them under $1,950 in take home pay per month.
[07:25]	schestowitz	In disneyland USA I guess that might come next
[07:26]	schestowitz	so basically it keeps people from starvation
[07:26]	kingoffrance	i dont follow these things https://www.bankrate.com/banking/federal-reserve/how-negative-interest-rates-work/  but i think they would love that
[07:26]	schestowitz	but not homelessness
[07:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Negative Interest Rates: Definition and How They Work | Bankrate
[07:26]	schestowitz	and then of course you can "JOIN THE ARMY" and "serve"
[07:27]	schestowitz	kingoffrance: we have that already
[07:27]	schestowitz	it's called inflation
[07:27]	kingoffrance	yep; its just the next level; they want "action"
[07:27]	DaemonFC[m]	Social Security can't be garnished, but only two month's worth in a bank account is protected by federal law.
[07:27]	schestowitz	banks here don't give even 1% interest rates
[07:27]	DaemonFC[m]	So time for cash in a cigar box.
[07:27]	schestowitz	not even if you lock an account down for YEARS
[07:27]	schestowitz	it's just a blackmailing tactic
[07:27]	schestowitz	like the vaccine tactics
[07:28]	schestowitz	won't participate in pfizer trial? CANNOT TRAVEL
[07:28]	schestowitz	of course the super-rich have their own 'banks' and offshore accounts
[07:28]	schestowitz	so all those things don't affect them
[07:28]	schestowitz	they profit from 'business' like "speculation on X"
[07:28]	schestowitz	where X can be "priced of food to go up in Africa"
[07:28]	schestowitz	or X="water to become scarce"
[07:29]	schestowitz	[07:27] <DaemonFC[m]> So time for cash in a cigar box.
[07:29]	schestowitz	They try to cancel cash
[07:29]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2020/12/26/covid19-boxing-day/
[07:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Boxing People | Techrights
[07:29]	schestowitz	e.g. artificially limited the money supply or cash in circulation 
[07:30]	schestowitz	and changing that money/bartering often
[07:30]	schestowitz	so you need to hop from one version to the next or the value will diminish
[07:30]	schestowitz	in India they went a step ahead
[07:30]	schestowitz	they basically didn't give people a change to deposit cash
[07:30]	schestowitz	they just canceled lots of it
[07:30]	schestowitz	and then said this cash was just "crime" anyway
[07:31]	schestowitz	so people who saved physical money saw their savings canceled
[07:31]	kingoffrance	i think someone in here posted the credit scores tied to search history
[07:31]	schestowitz	the "going  digital" thing there is Modi/Gates pushing for surveillance monopolies
[07:31]	kingoffrance	yes, they dont want that turned around on them
[07:31]	schestowitz	I did, yes
[07:31]	kingoffrance	i can only trust bank/business/whoever if i have all their employees search history
[07:31]	kingoffrance	do it to them, they will 180
[07:31]	kingoffrance	they dont want to live under the systems they create for everyone else
[07:32]	schestowitz	There is also this https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/the-us-government-admits-to-using-the-patriot-act-to-collect-web-browsing-information/
[07:32]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.privateinternetaccess.com | The US government admits to using the Patriot Act to collect web browsing information
[07:32]	kingoffrance	theyve got a way of exempting themselves first, and then come up with great ideas for everyone else
[07:33]	schestowitz	I think you allude to IMF (more recent) https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/imf-suggests-that-your-credit-score-could-be-based-on-your-internet-history/
[07:33]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.privateinternetaccess.com | IMF suggests that your credit score could be based on your internet history
[07:33]	kingoffrance	yeah
[07:33]	schestowitz	well, the resistance is brewing
[07:33]	schestowitz	COVID is a symptom
[07:34]	schestowitz	there will be major change, but it won't be pretty
[07:34]	schestowitz	the media will take its owners' side
[07:34]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: can you read an IBM article I did?
[07:34]	schestowitz	it's short, 2 paras
[07:36]	DaemonFC[m]	Yeah.
[07:36]	Techrights-sec	little memntion of the copyright grab in the "stimulus" bill.
[07:37]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: thanks! http://techrights.org/2020/12/29/ibm-diversity/
[07:37]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM Likes to Speak About Diversity in Order to Distract or Confuse People About IBMs Past and Present | Techrights
[07:37]	schestowitz	there's a video there too in case you are interested
[07:38]	Techrights-sec	https://www.cnx-software.com/2020/12/28/gpio-screw-terminal-hat-for-raspberry-pi-adds-leds-and-gpio-markings/
[07:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | GPIO screw terminal HAT for Raspberry Pi adds LEDs and GPIO markings
[07:44]	DaemonFC[m]	Looks good.
[07:45]	schestowitz	cheers
[07:45]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: A lot of the proposals that ended up in Fedora 33 seem to be working out well, in practice.
[07:45]	DaemonFC[m]	I was surprised at just how well the kind of stuff Linux crams into the swap compresses.
[07:45]	DaemonFC[m]	Windows too, for that matter.
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[07:46]	schestowitz	if RAM is abundant... why compress?
[07:46]	schestowitz	it would surely have a performance tool
[07:46]	schestowitz	toll
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[07:47]	schestowitz	even if implemented at hardware level
[07:47]	schestowitz	would take up more power
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[07:47]	schestowitz	fotr obese OSes
[07:47]	DaemonFC[m]	Not much of one, really, with modern compression schemes.
[07:47]	schestowitz	compression is ALWayS more costly than none
[07:47]	schestowitz	you cannot change maths
[07:47]	DaemonFC[m]	It doesn't really get employed much until the system comes under pressure.
[07:47]	schestowitz	and store data in memory isn't a case of pay more to use more
[07:48]	schestowitz	swapless fine
[07:48]	DaemonFC[m]	Chromebooks do it.
[07:48]	DaemonFC[m]	And they tend to use a Celeron or something.
[07:48]	schestowitz	but if you don't use swap, you'd assume lots of ram anyway
[07:48]	schestowitz	compression won't be needed until it's running low
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[07:49]	schestowitz	chromebooks are OK hardware
[07:49]	schestowitz	with s*** 'software' on it
[07:53]	DaemonFC[m]	Linux needs better game controller support I've noticed.
[07:53]	DaemonFC[m]	The most common game controllers are too difficult to set up, and especially to get them recognized by Wine.
[07:53]	DaemonFC[m]	You'd think someone would be interested in fixing that one.
[07:54]	DaemonFC[m]	The Xbox 360 controller should be well supported, but it really isn't unless you're talking some titles on Steam.
[07:55]	DaemonFC[m]	I was glad to see that Sony is contributing a proper PS5 controller driver to Linux.
[07:57]	DaemonFC[m]	Because Ubuntu had updated the "dbx" (whatever that is), I had to reset the Secure Boot on the older laptop to factory default to get Fedora to boot up.
[07:57]	DaemonFC[m]	That was a known issue related to "boothole".
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[08:26]	scientes	schestowitz, yes, zram is silly
[08:27]	scientes	but i guess it is somewhat of an extension of overallocate
[08:27]	scientes	which is a cornerstone of Linux
[08:27]	scientes	except it makes it woorse
[08:27]	scientes	because you can OOM just by changing the ram you have already allocated
[08:27]	scientes	^^^
[08:27]	scientes	because not everything compresses the same
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[08:59]	psydroid	https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share
[08:59]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gs.statcounter.com | Operating System Market Share Worldwide | StatCounter Global Stats
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[09:18]	schestowitz	windows down sharply
[09:19]	schestowitz	wow
[09:19]	schestowitz	lowest ever https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share#monthly-200901-202011
[09:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gs.statcounter.com | Operating System Market Share Worldwide | StatCounter Global Stats
[09:21]	schestowitz	no december data yet https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share#monthly-200901-202012
[09:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gs.statcounter.com | Operating System Market Share Worldwide | StatCounter Global Stats
[09:22]	schestowitz	oh, actuallty there is
[09:22]	schestowitz	31.8% for Windows
[09:37]	psydroid	it will be interesting to see where things stand in a few months from now
[09:53]	schestowitz	I've made a quick video about it
[09:53]	schestowitz	bbiab
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[09:56]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2020/12/29/windows-sliding/
[09:56]	schestowitz	here
[09:56]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | According to Statcounter, Microsoft Windows Reaches Lowest Market Share Since 1990s (Now Just 31.8%) | Techrights
[09:56]	schestowitz	report typos if any found
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[10:01]	psydroid	I haven't found any
[10:05]	psydroid	but as you also put a link in the daily links to an article about Huawei selling laptops with their own CPUs and GNU/Linux a few days ago, it's becoming clear that Microsoft doesn't have the kind of influence over the computer industry that it used to have, so more companies are trying to break free
[10:10]	Techrights-sec	https://media.ccc.de/v/rc3-11512-cia_vs_wikile
[10:10]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Missing content type. Ignoring.
[10:11]	Techrights-sec	https://media.ccc.de/v/rc3-11512-cia_vs_wikileaks
[10:11]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-media.ccc.de - CIA vs. Wikileaks
[10:11]	schestowitz	psydroid: yes, it is not just their MateBook anymore
[10:11]	schestowitz	more product lines come with Debian-based Kylin or similar
[10:11]	schestowitz	oh, Deepin
[10:11]	schestowitz	I think Kylin it the one Canonical tried pulling off, with Ubuntu base
[10:12]	schestowitz	brb, going to do a video on systemd
[10:55]	scientes	 A branch, a tag, and a reflog walk into a bar. The bartender says, "What is this, some sort of rebase?"
[10:55]	scientes	oh geeze
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[11:02]	schestowitz	get a rebate on a  fork
[11:26]	Techrights-sec	https://youtu.be/TqmM53W8nN0
[11:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Unprecedented: MeRA25 MP has immunity stripped and is prosecuted for criticising the police | DiEM25 - YouTube
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[12:58]	schestowitz	https://youtu.be/ZSu4rCizyUM
[12:58]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The FULL Snowden Interview - YouTube
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[13:08]	scientes	If I was snowden I would be bored of saying the same thing in every interview
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[14:08]	XRevan86	> In many Indochina dialects, "main" is an ethnic slur.
[14:08]	XRevan86	ouch
[14:08]	MinceR	lol
[14:09]	scientes	what about bottom?
[14:09]	scientes	hehehehehe
[14:09]	MinceR	XRevan86: where is that quote from?
[14:09]	XRevan86	MinceR: Pohoronix forums
[14:09]	scientes	XRevan86, try using C-lang
[14:09]	XRevan86	https://phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1229004?p=1229050#post1229050
[14:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Git 2.30 Released As More Projects Shift To "Main" As Their Default Branch Name - Phoronix Forums
[14:10]	scientes	XRevan86, ummmmm he is just trolling
[14:10]	scientes	main is a C thing
[14:10]	XRevan86	scientes: of course, but still as valid as the other thing :)
[14:11]	scientes	 virtuous victim construct. 
[14:11]	scientes	I think too much thinking about this stuff is a mental disease
[14:11]	scientes	even if you claim to be trolling
[14:12]	MinceR	XRevan86: thx
[14:13]	XRevan86	scientes: People are annoyed by ridiculous changes made in the name of Justice.
[14:13]	XRevan86	Radicalisation or something.
[14:13]	scientes	yeah, but both seem to have no real problems
[14:15]	XRevan86	Meanwhile, in Russia: the criteria on what a Foreign Agent is have been widely extended to pretty much anyone.
[14:16]	XRevan86	Including individuals who do any sort of activism AND get *any* kind of help from abroad.
[14:16]	scientes	XRevan86, isn't that always the definition of *them*?
[14:17]	XRevan86	And also every quote from a Foreign Agent has to be marked as such under the penalty of law.
[14:17]	scientes	ok, that is rediculous
[14:17]	scientes	"You can't say anything simon said without first prefacing it with 'Simon said'"
[14:17]	XRevan86	oh good, meduza.io/en covered that: https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/12/28/what-you-need-to-know-about-russia-s-updated-foreign-agent-laws
[14:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE
[14:18]	XRevan86	Just As Bad As It sounds
[14:19]	scientes	oh this is such typical stuff
[14:19]		*scientes had a fetish for laws which you are always on the wrong side of
[14:20]	XRevan86	Navalny's FBK couldn't shed the Foreign Agent status, but I guess that no longer matters: under the new laws they deserve that status fair and square.
[14:22]	scientes	XRevan86, but it is clear that anyone is not paid by the state is a foreign agent, until they are purged for being foreign agents
[14:24]	XRevan86	scientes: If you live in a village with no Internet and have no connections to anything, you're safe.
[14:24]	XRevan86	If not, you just might face a felony.
[14:24]	XRevan86	(yes, there's a felony involved)
[14:24]	scientes	yeah, that's exactly why it is the above
[14:25]	scientes	if you are a employee of the state you can, by definition, not be a foreign agent
[14:25]	scientes	until you are purged
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[14:30]	scientes	https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/12/15/they-found-a-foot-and-a-bottle-of-vodka
[14:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE
[14:34]	XRevan86	Russia's consistently becoming more and more dystopian. Can't put that on the 2020 list as it's not just this year.
[14:34]	XRevan86	Although the Constitution amendments were a very big step.
[14:35]	scientes	https://meduza.io/impro/X8RBEBGqvYykNBaMawq6ApILgpvu_2OR6VXmG6mYgEE/fill/2670/0/ce/0/aHR0cHM6Ly9tZWR1/emEuaW8vaW1hZ2Uv/YXR0YWNobWVudHMv/aW1hZ2VzLzAwNi8y/NjMvOTcxL29yaWdp/bmFsLzkzTFFrcXg1/c0lRZl9wNlRqQlFu/MHcuanBn.jpg
[14:35]	scientes	ewwwwww
[14:35]	scientes	they use webP cause they are idiots
[14:35]	scientes	and now firefox has to support the stupid format
[14:36]	MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/Dkd5xQE.png
[14:36]	scientes	because it is now impossible to stop the feature creep
[14:36]	XRevan86	I wanted to defend WebP but after WebP 2 I don't bother.
[14:36]	MinceR	what is so bad about webp 2?
[14:37]	XRevan86	MinceR: WebP is already obsolete.
[14:38]	MinceR	ic
[14:38]	XRevan86	It just got some adoption and already being phased out.
[14:38]	XRevan86	that's just annoying
[14:38]	scientes	JPEG is a great format
[14:40]	scientes	however it looks like AVIF will have some success
[14:40]	scientes	WebP had a shittily maintained shared library too
[14:41]	scientes	like chromium people forked protobuf, andprotobuf is a google package!
[14:41]	scientes	they are shit at maintaining software
[14:41]	XRevan86	scientes: Just ask anyone who dealt with Android.
[14:41]	XRevan86	except MinceR, not MinceR :)
[14:41]	scientes	yeah, my android disk space analyzer thinks internal memory is sdcard
[14:42]	scientes	and sdcard is internal
[14:42]	XRevan86	scientes: No, I mean on the code level.
[14:42]	scientes	that too
[14:42]	scientes	but this is an example that bubbled up
[14:44]	scientes	> 
[14:44]	scientes	Note: Guetzli uses a significant amount of CPU time. You should count on using about 1 minute of CPU per 1 MPix of input image.
[14:44]	scientes	geeze
[14:44]	scientes	pretty fucking useless
[14:44]	scientes	for a few kbs
[14:44]	scientes	Note: Guetzli uses a large amount of memory. You should provide 300MB of memory per 1MPix of the input image.
[14:44]	scientes	why?
[14:44]	scientes	just use the 30% more space
[14:47]	MinceR	and 30% more bandwidth
[14:47]	MinceR	and 30% more space in everyone's cache :>
[14:48]	MinceR	is this for compression or decompression though?
[14:48]	scientes	<MinceR> https://i.imgur.com/Dkd5xQE.png
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[14:48]	scientes	nice
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[14:50]	scientes	XRevan86, webp sucks https://wyohknott.github.io/image-formats-comparison/#abandonned-factory&webm=t&webp=t
[14:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wyohknott.github.io | Image formats comparison
[14:52]	scientes	look how good that image is with av1
[14:54]	scientes	yeah i'm convinced av1 is nice
[14:54]	scientes	and noticably better than webp and jpeg
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[15:01]	scientes	I am so tired of how all the "clouds" over-charge people for bandwidth
[15:01]	scientes	mainly because it makes my internet experience considerably woorse
[15:01]	scientes	with news sites that lazy-load images
[15:02]	scientes	YouTube clearly prooves that these "clouds" (including Google lol hypocricy) are lying
[15:02]	scientes	about the cost of bandwidth
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[15:05]	scientes	and half the cost of YouTube is the spying
[15:05]	scientes	infrasturcutre-wise
[15:07]	scientes	lol Keith Alexander went from NSA -> Amazon.com
[15:16]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/20072521
[15:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4781048)
[15:17]	scientes	MinceR, XRevan86 can tell you what is wrong with that
[15:17]	scientes	bool in SQL: yes, no, maybe
[15:17]	MinceR	:)
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[15:19]	XRevan86	scientes: Um, this is about SQL keywords typically being written in all capitalised letters.
[15:19]	XRevan86	SELECT foo FROM bar;
[15:20]	XRevan86	CREATE TABLE bar (foo BOOLEAN NOT NULL);
[15:23]	XRevan86	https://modern-sql.com/concept/three-valued-logic I'll throw this in just in case.
[15:24]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-modern-sql.com | Modern SQL: Three-Valued Logic (3VL) Purpose, Benefits and Special Cases
[15:36]	schestowitz	[14:34] <XRevan86> Russia's consistently becoming more and more dystopian. Can't put that on the 2020 list as it's not just this year.
[15:37]	schestowitz	I noticed daily covid deaths increasing
[15:37]	schestowitz	how many sputnik v jabs were administered
[15:37]	schestowitz	and.... any evidence they are effective?
[15:39]	MinceR	(cat) https://hugelolcdn.com/i/720092.jpg
[15:41]	schestowitz	heh
[15:41]	schestowitz	i had my nap already
[15:41]	schestowitz	now I'm good till 2am or something like that
[15:45]	MinceR	:)
[15:45]	schestowitz	any topic suggestions for video?
[15:45]	schestowitz	I did systemd this morning
[15:45]	schestowitz	we mostly wrap up topics we've long covered, I think
[15:45]	schestowitz	they will run out at some stage
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[16:41]	scientes	MinceR, since when do they allow cats on jetBlue?
[16:55]	MinceR	\_()_/
[16:55]	MinceR	maybe the human just took that mask home
[16:55]	MinceR	also, it could be an emotional support cat
● Dec 29
[17:01]	scientes	how do you know its a human?
[17:01]	scientes	Maximum dimensions 2,147,483,6472,147,483,647 pixels
[17:01]	MinceR	i assumed its species
[17:01]	scientes	why do they even specify when its that big?
[17:01]	MinceR	that's what she said.
[17:04]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/2007256
[17:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4780823)
[17:20]	schestowitz	XRevan86: "219,872 people died in Russia in November 2020. Compared to November 2019, the country recorded 78,541 excess deaths an increase of 56 percent."  https://meduza.io/en/news/2020/12/28/rosstat-russia-recorded-nearly-79-000-excess-deaths-in-november-2020
[17:20]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE
[17:22]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/20072372
[17:22]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4778368)
[17:29]	scientes	schestowitz, they are faking the numbers
[17:29]	scientes	garbage in garbage out
[17:30]	schestowitz	question is
[17:30]	schestowitz	who fakes?
[17:30]	schestowitz	the government?
[17:30]	schestowitz	the truth might be somewhere in between AND...
[17:30]	schestowitz	the source of this data will or should be the point of focus
[17:30]	schestowitz	and whether that corresponds to death certs
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[17:40]	scientes	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6120QOlsfU
[17:40]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Darude - Sandstorm - YouTube
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[17:40]	MinceR	:)
[17:41]	tr_guest|64021	http://techrights.org/2020/11/17/real-rms/ was a great read, thank you very much
[17:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Real Richard Stallman is Not Coming Back | Techrights
[17:41]		*MinceR settles for vrms instead
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[17:42]	tr_guest|64021	what does the v stand for!
[17:42]	MinceR	virtual
[17:42]	tr_guest|64021	I like it
[17:42]	tr_guest|64021	have a nice day
[17:43]	scientes	100 years of Finland
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[17:44]	scientes	they played that at the 100 year celebration of finland
[17:45]		*scientes has vrms installed
[17:45]	scientes	great app
[17:48]	schestowitz	lol
[17:48]	schestowitz	RMS and app
[17:48]	scientes	big reason I stick to debian actually
[17:48]	schestowitz	cloudRMS: coming soon!
[17:49]	schestowitz	scientes: same here
[17:49]	scientes	the debian FTP master is pretty serious about actually auditing new packages
[17:49]	scientes	and making sure non-free stuff does not sneak in
[17:49]	schestowitz	canonical became all about SNAPS
[17:49]	scientes	unlike, lets say, ArchLinux
[17:49]	schestowitz	Skype, Spotify...
[17:50]	scientes	those snap people are crazy too
[17:50]	scientes	the developers
[17:50]	scientes	I had one of them tell me that an internal sort was silly
[17:51]	schestowitz	The more progressive elements among the kleptocracy that passes itself off as government in this country is aware that what would be truly needed for long-term social cohesion, and long-term successful governance, would involve a reversal of the ongoing stratification of society under monopoly capitalism https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/12/28/when-the-landlords-say-fuck-you/
[17:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-When the Landlords Say, "Fuck You" - CounterPunch.org
[17:51]	schestowitz	scientes: popey or another one?
[17:51]	schestowitz	there's one with a long name
[17:51]	schestowitz	hard to pronounce 
[17:51]	scientes	I dont remember
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[18:02]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/20072337
[18:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4776408)
[18:04]	scientes	MinceR, do you actually code?
[18:04]	MinceR	i do
[18:05]	scientes	we should make silicon chips that directly run javascript
[18:05]	MinceR	why?
[18:05]	scientes	we wouldn't have to compile it that way
[18:05]	scientes	I mean, this was supposedly a good idea for java
[18:06]	MinceR	parsing javascript in hardware is going to be a colossal waste of die surface
[18:06]	MinceR	it was for java bytecode, which is standardized, and it still seems to have failed
[18:06]	scientes	it is just such an efficient language
[18:06]	MinceR	ARM used to do that, then they replaced it with something else
[18:06]	scientes	I can't imagine implementing more advanced languages in anything else
[18:06]	schestowitz	java?
[18:06]	schestowitz	lol, how often do we still use that on desktops?
[18:07]	scientes	javascript
[18:07]	schestowitz	on debian for instance, on your daily thing
[18:07]	schestowitz	even worse
[18:07]	schestowitz	how much JS is on debian/kde?
[18:07]	scientes	obviously javascript is now the common demoninator lanaguage
[18:07]	MinceR	the only real use case i have for javascript is sandboxing code
[18:07]	scientes	and every language must be impemented in it and in relation to it
[18:07]	schestowitz	Microsoft is trying to hijack it
[18:07]	schestowitz	via LF
[18:07]	schestowitz	with "Open"JS
[18:07]	schestowitz	Some Edleman shill from Microsoft
[18:07]	scientes	schestowitz, they already did that with VBScript
[18:07]	schestowitz	and with TypeScript and ShitHub
[18:08]	MinceR	they never give up, as long as they live
[18:08]	scientes	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
[18:08]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Rick Astley - Never Gonna Give You Up (Video) - YouTube
[18:08]	MinceR	they tried lots of tactics against Linux as well, until one worked
[18:08]	schestowitz	turns out he's a Man United fan
[18:08]	schestowitz	I only found out last week
[18:08]	schestowitz	MinceR: they did not kill GNU, not yet
[18:08]	schestowitz	they throw many bucks at the 'problem'
[18:09]	scientes	GNUsteak
[18:09]	scientes	GNUrib
[18:09]	schestowitz	I think we're one of the few sites left to still talk about it
[18:09]	scientes	GNUliver
[18:09]	schestowitz	FSF gave up
[18:09]	schestowitz	afaict
[18:09]	scientes	GNUtongue
[18:09]	psydroid	it could be a thing for FPGAs
[18:09]	scientes	GNUburger
[18:09]	schestowitz	we need alternatives in the coding sense
[18:09]	schestowitz	something to bypass the coup
[18:09]	MinceR	schestowitz: IBM along with an army of corporate SJWs are killing GNU
[18:10]	MinceR	they took out FSF already
[18:10]	schestowitz	not just a Microsoft coup by the way
[18:10]	scientes	GNUroast
[18:10]	schestowitz	IBM, Google, FB...
[18:10]	scientes	schestowitz, you can drink the blood without killing the host
[18:10]		*psydroid cheers for Manchester United too in England at least
[18:11]	schestowitz	MinceR: some people become rich in the process
[18:11]	schestowitz	bottom feeders
[18:11]	MinceR	scientes: "i vill suck your bluhd"
[18:11]	schestowitz	One even got a job at SFC last month
[18:12]	psydroid	in connection with the article about China (as well as South Korea and Russia) moving to GNU/Linux I also read this article (from an aggregator of soms kind) yesterday, detailing the multi-architecture strategy on the hardware side leaving only GNU/Linux as a viable operating system to run on the various processor implementations
[18:12]	psydroid	https://inf.news/tech/3175114486ac4e113e9f873162a2054d.html
[18:12]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 503 @ https://inf.news/tech/3175114486ac4e113e9f873162a2054d.html )
[18:13]	psydroid	full steam ahead over there
[18:17]	schestowitz	"Loongson 3A5000 is coming: 12nm process, performance improvement by 50%"
[18:17]	schestowitz	ClownFlare link
[18:17]	schestowitz	the site is infected
[18:19]	psydroid	it's a built-in "feature" of the web by now
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[18:25]	schestowitz	Hund, Health, Minimalism https://hunden.linuxkompis.se/2020/12/29/i-have-no-sound-or-vibration-on-my-phone-and-its-great.html
[18:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hunden.linuxkompis.se | I have no sound or vibration on my phone and it's great | Hund
[18:27]	MinceR	"i can't hear the people who call me on the phone and it's great"
[18:28]	psydroid	"I got rid of my phone and it's great"
[18:28]	MinceR	:>
[18:32]	MinceR	(cat) https://hugelolcdn.com/i/720037.jpg
[18:57]	schestowitz	"In 1999, the programmer and activist Richard Stallman led one related to a lawsuit the company filed against Barnes & Noble to protect a patent covering 1-click ordering, which he worried would stifle competition in e-commerce."  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/29/style/amazon-abstainers.html
[18:57]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Life Without Amazon (Well, Almost) - The New York Times
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[19:16]	MinceR	(audio:important) https://youtu.be/ZyCCWuO0mQo
[19:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-4K Slow Motion Backdraft - YouTube
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[19:36]	MinceR	(audio) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/21/6336e9e4915f4d4c.mp4
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[19:53]	schestowitz	http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/145947#comment-27638
[19:53]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to Install WSL2 and Kali Linux on Windows 10 | Tux Machines
[19:53]	schestowitz	Some people don't seem to understand (maybe ZDNet) brainwash that this is an attack on GNU/Linux
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[19:56]	Techrights-sec	How did a Vista10 advertisement get into TM?
[19:56]	Techrights-sec	Delete.
[19:56]	Techrights-sec	Or redact
[19:56]	schestowitz	usually he posts Ok things, hence I just left a comment as a "Strike 1" so to speak... sometimes it's enough to discourage BS
[19:58]	Techrights-sec	Still the post needs to be redacted or something.
[19:58]	Techrights-sec	At least remove the links.
[19:58]	MinceR	https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/21/713cf39317f0ab5b.jpg
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[20:05]	schestowitz	clever
[20:05]	schestowitz	how did he extrapolate the background?
[20:05]	schestowitz	oh, not the same forest
[20:05]	schestowitz	he probably took "close enough" stock photography
[20:08]	Techrights-sec	Ok, but no aspect of the post was related to GNU/Linux or even FOSS.
[20:08]	Techrights-sec	Nor was the underlying message, that of FOSS being not up to par.
[20:09]	schestowitz	if it happens again I'll bite instead of bark
[20:38]	schestowitz	under every rock lurks a scientes
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[21:44]	amreo[m]	Hi. Today schestowitz has written "
[21:44]	amreo[m]	SuzhouMicrosoft is telling us (even confirming) Azure layoffs, in spite of Microsoft pretending to have found an alternative and promising future in Clown Computing. They literally join or come to our primary IRC channel, trying to interject damage-limiting PR." in a article about the china migration. Where can I find microsoft messages?
[21:46]	amreo[m]	In the new index page the post about the IRC log is missing. Is it a error?
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[22:21]	amreo[m]	And the link to the past posts
● Dec 29
[23:07]	XRevan86	MinceR: Bri'ish accent, yet Celsius is shown on the screen second. At least shown at all %).
[23:08]	MinceR	bri'ish people have moved to north america before :>
[23:09]	XRevan86	MinceR: Oh, and adopted all the great stuff there? I guess it's part of the naturalisation process. Maybe part of the immigration test.
[23:09]	MinceR	or made a video primarily targeting that market
[23:10]	XRevan86	How opportunistic.
[23:12]	XRevan86	> TEMP: barbecue hot / 288F / 142C
[23:12]	XRevan86	fixed it then
[23:13]	XRevan86	just to keep things more familiar to the target audience %)
[23:13]	MinceR	:>
[23:15]	XRevan86	> It goes at least 40 feet
[23:15]	XRevan86	I guess about 15 full legs?
[23:15]	MinceR	lol
[23:16]	XRevan86	wait, I was looking at half a leg
[23:16]	XRevan86	about 7 legs
[23:24]	XRevan86	27 elbows
[23:25]	MinceR	how many knees?
[23:26]	XRevan86	It's a joint, a bit small.
[23:29]	XRevan86	MinceR: But I can tell you it's 160 palms
[23:30]	MinceR	(cat) https://hugelolcdn.com/i/719711.jpg
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[23:44]	CrystalMath	it's about 25 meV outside now
[23:46]	CrystalMath	no, more like 24...
[23:47]	CrystalMath	it's 25.3 inside though
[23:47]	MinceR	not MeV?
[23:47]	CrystalMath	nope
[23:47]	CrystalMath	millielectronvolts
[23:48]	CrystalMath	astronomers often use electrovolts to express temperature
[23:48]	CrystalMath	though it's energy
[23:49]	MinceR	ic
[23:49]	MinceR	weird custom
[23:49]	CrystalMath	a temperature (equivalent) of 25.3 meV 
[23:49]	CrystalMath	is about 20C
[23:49]	CrystalMath	whereas 24 meV is 11C
[23:50]	CrystalMath	20C is very low, it's only capable of generating infrared
[23:52]	XRevan86	MinceR: At least it's not football fields.
[23:53]	CrystalMath	MinceR: you would need 1240 meV to get photons of 1 micrometer to be sent out constantly
[23:54]	CrystalMath	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_constant
[23:54]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Boltzmann constant - Wikipedia
[23:55]	CrystalMath	it's 0.08617333262145 meV/K
[23:57]	CrystalMath	0 Kelvin = kinetic energy 0 eV