●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Sunday, May 30, 2021 ●● ● May 30 [00:00] CrystalMath kn\: no i'm not [00:00] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Let's outlaw the biggest opposition organisation, that should work out fine. [00:00] MinceR we're turning the planet into venus2, we're getting rid of science and technology so that any random asteroid can kill us all and so we can't do anything about the Sun going red giant [00:00] psydroid what will happen when Putin dies? [00:00] kn\ CrystalMath: Then why are you trying to act like it and not respect the decisions being made? [00:00] MinceR he probably has a successor already [00:00] CrystalMath kn\: which decisions? [00:00] XRevan86 let's make life extremely hard for the non-profit foundations that fight for human rights in Russia [00:00] CrystalMath on techrights? i can't influence techrights [00:00] kn\ on moving [00:00] XRevan86 they have it coming, how dare they [00:00] CrystalMath i'm just thoroughly disappointed [00:01] CrystalMath kn\: moving to where? russia? maybe i will some day [00:01] XRevan86 Advocating for human rights in Russia is practically an extremist activity. [00:01] XRevan86 psydroid: No one knows. [00:01] MinceR https://pics.me.me/im-not-mad-im-just-disappointed-when-your-fb-friend-22944430.png [00:01] psydroid I just realised I went to Serbia, Hungary and Ukraine in 2017 [00:01] kn\ The Earth is already on its way to extinction. You're getting what you want anyway CrystalMath [00:02] MinceR the Earth will be fine [00:02] MinceR maybe even some unicellular life on it will survive too [00:02] CrystalMath kn\: what i want is for nature to take its course naturally with us interfering the least as possible [00:02] MinceR well, for a few billion years, anyway [00:02] kn\ humans won't be [00:02] XRevan86 I hope that after CrystalMath moves to Russia his Internet will experience cheburnet. [00:02] MinceR after about 5 billion years, it depends on intelligent life to survive [00:02] kn\ The nenw climate models are kind of frightening but believable [00:02] kn\ new* [00:03] CrystalMath XRevan86: what's cheburnet? [00:03] kn\ The run away effect as already started. [00:03] kn\ Big pools of methane are already being released from the permafrost [00:03] CrystalMath XRevan86: i must say i don't know the language too well, but i understood the stuff you wrote here :) [00:04] kn\ CrystalMath: have you ever been anywhere outside of Serbia [00:04] CrystalMath no [00:04] *schestowitz has quit (Password incorrect) [00:04] kn\ You should travel. [00:04] CrystalMath but i've been in areas where it's 99% hungarians [00:04] CrystalMath if that means anything [00:04] *schestowitz__ (~schestowitz@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [00:04] kn\ There's more to the world than Serbia. [00:04] CrystalMath (and my verdict is that it's the same) [00:04] XRevan86 CrystalMath: . [00:05] kn\ No I really don't think you understand America. [00:05] schestowitz__ odd... /oper caused my connection to restart sort of [00:05] kn\ XRevan86: do you mind translating what you said [00:05] Ariadne oh [00:05] Ariadne it kicked you, 'password incorrect' [00:06] CrystalMath cheburnet - it's the national name of the initiative for ??? Russia of ??? [00:06] CrystalMath trying to translate myself ^ [00:06] XRevan86 Cheburnet is a colloquial name for the initiative to disconnect Russia from the outside network. [00:06] CrystalMath oh [00:06] CrystalMath , i should have gotten that [00:06] Ariadne worked that time [00:06] schestowitz__ ok, did ok now [00:06] CrystalMath but it means "unlock" [00:06] CrystalMath in serbia [00:06] schestowitz__ does it have 'guard on' supported? [00:06] MinceR named after chebureki? [00:06] schestowitz__ /CS HELP says not [00:06] XRevan86 CrystalMath: It stems from electricity terminology here. [00:07] psydroid afsluiting [00:07] kn\ XRevan86: Where are you from? [00:07] CrystalMath ah so i guess networks "lock into" each other [00:07] CrystalMath kn\: XRevan86 is from russia [00:07] XRevan86 CrystalMath: is also an electrical switch [00:07] kn\ ok [00:07] CrystalMath ah [00:07] CrystalMath here it just means key [00:07] kn\ XRevan86: I wasn't wrong about anything I said right? [00:08] kn\ or do you feel another way [00:08] XRevan86 kn\: I didn't complain, have I? [00:08] CrystalMath XRevan86: i don't really think russia will disconnect [00:08] psydroid and lock? [00:08] kn\ nope [00:08] CrystalMath i mean even china is connected [00:08] CrystalMath and north korea to some extent [00:08] XRevan86 psydroid: that'd be [00:08] MinceR ah, it's from Cheburashka [00:09] psydroid XRevan86, thanks, I should have known that [00:09] Ariadne not needed [00:09] XRevan86 MinceR: yep [00:09] schestowitz__ yeah, I was not sure [00:10] schestowitz__ just followed my plain text manuals from the olden days.. [00:10] schestowitz__ I will need to do some coding for managing irc logs etc. [00:10] psydroid in Dutch it's easy: "slot" (lock) and "sleutel" (key) [00:10] XRevan86 https://rferl.org/a/russia-internet-censorship-sovereign-network/25375226.html 2014 [00:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rferl.org | Russia's 'Cheburashka' Internet? Probably Not, But Here Are Some Other Options [00:10] Ariadne in this ircd, the services are built into the ircd [00:10] schestowitz__ that might take some time, but no rush [00:11] schestowitz__ the freenode channel was getting off-topic very often [00:11] schestowitz__ I will try to release some articles around 1am, barely slept... [00:11] XRevan86 "sovereign Internet" is the name that they are actually going for [00:12] XRevan86 but the people remembered the original brilliant idea to call it Cheburashka, and hence Cheburnet [00:12] Ariadne yes i hope that with techrights being here that there will be less people just dropping in to troll [00:12] BaronVladimirHar Back to Atlantis for a while. You know, the Wraith were remarkably bad tacticians and you'd think they would have went looking for Atlantis to see if they could at least get any tech or the control crystal that allowed the gate to connect to Earth. [00:12] Ariadne :P [00:13] schestowitz__ trolling is proportional to impact [00:13] schestowitz__ either [00:13] schestowitz__ 1) the subject of criticism trying to derail [00:13] BaronVladimirHar The Ancients apparently wrote the program on the other gates so they couldn't dial into the Milky Way network as a security system. [00:13] kn\ ????/// [00:13] schestowitz__ 2) other causes infiltrating to interject themselves onto something [00:13] schestowitz__ but 1 never equals 2 [00:14] XRevan86 , DaemonFC . [00:14] schestowitz__ EPO is in chaos now [00:14] kn\ yo um [00:14] kn\ What? [00:14] Ariadne yes, the (2) is what i wonder about :) [00:14] schestowitz__ they used to spy on our IRC channels and wrote reports about them [00:14] schestowitz__ they leaked out [00:14] *XRevan86 doesn't know how to translate some idioms :) [00:14] schestowitz__ (this month we published some) [00:14] XRevan86 maybe CrystalMath will know [00:14] kn\ no what BaronVladimirHar said [00:14] schestowitz__ EPO panicked [00:15] MinceR he's talking about Stargate Atlantis [00:15] CrystalMath hmm... "who's talking about what: DaemonFC about stargate" [00:15] kn\ oh [00:15] CrystalMath that's my best translation [00:15] CrystalMath is it good? [00:15] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Misses the mark completely. [00:15] CrystalMath oops [00:16] schestowitz__ Ariadne: thanks anyway, you've put all the key pieces in place, I could not be more grateful, this is something we planned even last year but lacked the skillset to do [00:16] *kaniini (~kaniini@170.39.20.82) has joined #techrights [00:16] kn\ I haven't watched Stargate in years [00:16] Ariadne could have just asked :p [00:16] kn\ I was mad when they ended it [00:16] CrystalMath possibly a decade for me, but i only saw a little, and didn't like it [00:17] schestowitz__ I won't advertise this network yet... need to make lots of changes to code like the irc log pipelines [00:17] CrystalMath i liked the first star trek though [00:17] kaniini replacement ircd is up [00:17] XRevan86 ~= Different people speak about different things and DaemonFC talks about Stargate. [00:17] kaniini irc.techrights.org [00:17] CrystalMath replacement? [00:17] CrystalMath schestowitz said it would be a secondary one [00:17] schestowitz__ maybe do a "public" announcement some time next month [00:17] XRevan86 kaniini: That's fast [00:17] kaniini XRevan86: ircds done fast is what i do [00:18] CrystalMath and it's ridiculous: no tor relay, etc... [00:18] kaniini CrystalMath: give me like, an hour [00:18] kaniini and i will set up a tor relay [00:18] XRevan86 kaniini: By the way, I heard about "bridging" between networks, does that actually work? [00:18] CrystalMath i still believe that schestowitz is spineless if he leaves freenode [00:18] kaniini XRevan86: nope [00:18] XRevan86 kaniini: figures [00:18] CrystalMath why not a bridge bot? [00:18] schestowitz we are not doing fights [00:18] MinceR why would it not work? [00:19] schestowitz we don't endorse networks [00:19] schestowitz we just want to self-host for years now [00:19] kaniini oh using a bot [00:19] kaniini yes [00:19] kaniini that is possible [00:19] schestowitz not a new desire [00:19] MinceR it would bring the offtopic that bothers schestowitz here to the other network though :> [00:19] schestowitz but now we have more free time [00:19] kaniini yes, this is true [00:19] CrystalMath schestowitz: if you leave freenode, you're spineless and you have no integrity, and techrights has no integrity [00:19] schestowitz also, setting an example [00:19] kaniini schestowitz brought up self-hosting [00:19] *Server (~Server@46.49.50.145) has joined #techrights [00:19] XRevan86 kaniini, MinceR: Like matterbridge? [00:19] kaniini last year [00:19] schestowitz rasengan supported trying to grow IRC [00:19] schestowitz by dencentralising more [00:19] BaronVladimirHar At least they got a couple of movies to wrap up Ba'al and the Ori. [00:19] XRevan86 but that's such a compromise bot [00:19] schestowitz maybe federating more [00:20] kn\ ya [00:20] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [00:20] schestowitz this way we can eat the real compeition [00:20] schestowitz not each other [00:20] MinceR XRevan86: dunno, i never ran such a bridge [00:20] schestowitz we need to eat the IRC copycats like slack [00:20] MinceR the only bridge i've ever run was rcon2irc [00:20] CrystalMath schestowitz: i am thoroughly disappointed in techrights [00:20] BaronVladimirHar Atlantis could have easily gone on for several seasons with the Wraith arc. [00:20] kaniini CrystalMath: fwiw i think rasengan has good intentions, but this has been an unmitigated shitshow [00:20] XRevan86 MinceR: It's just a user that reposts messages, a very simple design. [00:20] MinceR i know [00:20] CrystalMath kaniini: freenode is a great network, and it's a great place for techrights [00:20] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [00:20] MinceR i've used them, but not administered them [00:20] schestowitz CrystalMath: sorry, not my intention, but this ambition to self-host IRC is years-old and matter of public record, too [00:21] CrystalMath i see absolutely no reason to leave other than your personal bickering, and schestowitz's spineless attitude [00:21] XRevan86 kaniini: I agree with this statement. [00:21] schestowitz CrystalMath: it's still ehre [00:21] schestowitz CrystalMath: you don't know the history [00:21] schestowitz MinceR knows... [00:21] schestowitz all the deplatforming of the site techrights [00:21] BaronVladimirHar Freenode appears to be very concerned about emptying out. [00:21] schestowitz you don't even know how much ariadne did for us [00:21] CrystalMath a few months ago, if you said you wanted to leave freenode, i would understand 100% [00:21] kaniini mincer also used to be an ircop on my previous network [00:21] rasengan I support this (not that my opinion matters)! [00:21] CrystalMath a few months ago *I* wanted to leave freenode [00:21] rasengan And thank you kaniini. [00:22] XRevan86 kaniini: Also, I am curious about your opinion on who displayed better judgement from all the involved parties. [00:22] schestowitz this isn't anti-freenode [00:22] schestowitz all this infighting isn't needed [00:22] kaniini i'm very apathetic to freenode [00:22] BaronVladimirHar It's not a user driven emptying. It's corporations with codes of conduct and GAFAM ties that are leaving and then autokicking their users. [00:22] CrystalMath schestowitz: then i suppose you won't mind staying here? [00:22] schestowitz our real competition is crap like slack [00:22] kaniini other than its decision to staff up eskimo and phanes [00:22] schestowitz IBM forces all its staff to use slack [00:22] kaniini i think that is a shit decision [00:22] schestowitz that's more staff than the IRC networks have [00:22] kaniini but its rasengan's decision to make [00:22] CrystalMath kaniini: these are very helpful staff members [00:23] CrystalMath and very kind, cordial, too [00:23] BaronVladimirHar Free Software ending up on Liberal Chat is better at least than saying go to Discord or Slack. [00:23] kaniini you and i must have different definitions of helpful and cordial [00:23] BaronVladimirHar Libera [00:23] CrystalMath BaronVladimirHar: i disagree actually [00:23] schestowitz CrystalMath: let's replace proprietary software [00:23] CrystalMath BaronVladimirHar: i would rather leave IRC than connect there [00:23] BaronVladimirHar Autocorrect, which might actually be right this time. [00:23] CrystalMath i will also not be connecting to ariadneirc [00:23] kaniini CrystalMath: it's not ariadneirc [00:23] schestowitz it's not hers [00:23] kaniini that's irc.town [00:23] schestowitz dns is controlled by me and [anon] [00:23] MinceR "You and I remember Budapest very differently." [00:23] XRevan86 kaniini: We've been putting CrystalMath into his place this whole day. [00:23] schestowitz techrights.org is a domain of the site [00:24] CrystalMath XRevan86: there was a debate, but it was mostly unrelated to the IRC thing [00:24] schestowitz like site hosting changed overtime [00:24] kn\ I mean check out the ophion alpha if it you wish lol [00:24] BaronVladimirHar People have grudges and disagreements all the time. Imposing codes of conduct just encourage things to get more toxic in some other way. [00:24] schestowitz this isn't "blogspot" [00:24] kaniini though the irony is [00:24] schestowitz where one company (Google) can take away your site [00:24] CrystalMath what i'm saying is taht techrights is bending its decisions because of its hosting provider [00:24] BaronVladimirHar Mailing lists and IRC have worked for decades. [00:24] CrystalMath *that [00:24] kaniini i'm actually building a software that does what rasengan is promising [00:24] kaniini it will be available under the GNU Affero GPL shortly [00:24] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Indirectly it was, as ye have displayed making quick judgements and then defend them passionately. [00:24] schestowitz we need to focus on the competition [00:24] rasengan kaniini: You know my promise is not fluff though. [00:24] kaniini (and off shithub, shortly, but i need to actually set up gitlab) [00:25] schestowitz I've longer encouraged BSD and GNUs to work together [00:25] schestowitz there are millions of users out there we can bring to IRC [00:25] schestowitz like wordpress and apache/nginx won [00:25] kaniini rasengan: it is because services remains centralized, and i don't see you sharing that database [00:25] kaniini :) [00:25] schestowitz in comms the prorietary risk grows (Slack, Discord, Zoom) [00:25] MinceR i suspect GNU will be forced to work with BSD-s eventually [00:25] CrystalMath i don't like how people are ignoring the fact that techrights is bending its decisions because of its hosting provider [00:26] MinceR it has no place in Gnome OS, after all [00:26] CrystalMath a thing that would not happen if it was using a commercial one like OVH [00:26] schestowitz MinceR: it already does... to a degree [00:26] kaniini by the way i totally am using the GNU AGPL as a power move [00:26] MinceR :> [00:26] kaniini it will ensure rasengan cannot monetize my work [00:26] schestowitz the gnu-and-fsf-endorsed distros come with openssh [00:26] kaniini i especially love this feature of the GNU AGPL [00:26] schestowitz all our code is agplv3 [00:27] rasengan kaniini: ... you could make that statement without implying something against me right? ;) [00:27] CrystalMath eww, now i feel like i should relicense to apache 2.0 [00:27] schestowitz but we need to figure out if we should release it with some git front end GUI [00:27] schestowitz we looked into gitea/gogs [00:27] kn\ well [00:27] XRevan86 CrystalMath: schestowitz cares about what a very respective and involved in the IRC world thinks? And the person that helped him for years? This is disgusting. [00:27] schestowitz but they are github-hosted [00:27] kaniini i was using gitea but then it broke [00:27] kaniini so i went back to using github [00:27] schestowitz said in 2017 they'd leave... not happened yet [00:27] CrystalMath XRevan86: the problem is that journalists should not be swayed by their hosting provider [00:28] CrystalMath how hard is that to accept? [00:28] kaniini CrystalMath: i wasn't swaying him [00:28] kn\ kaniini: there's always sourceforge :^ (trolllololol) [00:28] kaniini CrystalMath: i was saying i did not wish to be involved anymore [00:28] schestowitz kaniini: this isn't so mission-critical in our case [00:28] schestowitz the git repo we use [00:28] CrystalMath kaniini: oh it's not your fault [00:28] rasengan schestowitz: try cgit [00:28] schestowitz 2 users for now [00:28] CrystalMath kaniini: i didn't say it is [00:28] schestowitz rasengan: will look into it [00:28] CrystalMath kaniini: it's schestowitz's fault [00:28] rasengan schestowitz: https://git.zx2c4.com/cgit/ [00:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.zx2c4.com | cgit - A hyperfast web frontend for git repositories written in C. [00:28] schestowitz CrystalMath: we can all cool down [00:29] kn\ i mean [00:29] schestowitz let's focus on the grand scheme of things... millions of users we can bring to IRC [00:29] schestowitz maybe via matrix, too [00:29] kaniini CrystalMath: and it's not any particular event that lead me to not want to be involved, but just i am very tired in general :) [00:29] XRevan86 Also I haven't heard from FSF, what decision are they leaning towards? [00:29] schestowitz the CMS and webserver space is now free software-dominated [00:29] CrystalMath kaniini: then why don't you just quit? [00:29] MinceR \_()_/ [00:29] schestowitz unlike comms [00:29] kn\ self hosting [00:29] MinceR they're having an internal discussion, afaik [00:29] kaniini XRevan86: i have head from FSF but i don't want to break rasengan's heart [00:29] kaniini :) [00:29] rasengan XRevan86: FSF Exec Director just resigned [00:29] MinceR they gathered a lot of comments/suggestions in the meeting in #fsf [00:30] XRevan86 rasengan: What [00:30] schestowitz johns? [00:30] CrystalMath XRevan86: they do want to leave freenode [00:30] XRevan86 rasengan: Not over IRC I hope [00:30] rasengan https://twitter.com/johns_FSF/status/1376346027524042759 [00:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@johns_FSF: After 18 years with the Free Software Foundation, I've decided to resign my position as executive director, effecti https://t.co/4LtYcxyyFm [00:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@johns_FSF: After 18 years with the Free Software Foundation, I've decided to resign my position as executive director, effecti https://t.co/4LtYcxyyFm [00:30] CrystalMath that was a while ago [00:30] schestowitz johns... that's old [00:30] MinceR yeah, they're looking for applications for executive director [00:30] kaniini XRevan86: are you on libera or OFTC" [00:30] schestowitz it said so in tee site for over a month [00:30] kaniini oof [00:30] schestowitz also ruben [00:30] kaniini OFTC? [00:30] kaniini rather [00:30] XRevan86 kaniini, CrystalMath: If only I bet real money [00:31] XRevan86 kaniini: I am registered on both, but on OFTC I have no channels connected. [00:31] schestowitz CrystalMath: swallow the pride and help us bring people back together [00:31] CrystalMath schestowitz: i will not connect to irc.techrights.org, nor will i be involved in the future [00:31] schestowitz we're wasting 2 weeks already on IRC wars [00:31] schestowitz I tried, and failed, to limit this fracturing [00:31] kaniini XRevan86: i PMed you on libera [00:31] kaniini schestowitz: fracturing is good [00:32] schestowitz CrystalMath: sad to hear... [00:32] CrystalMath schestowitz: if you leave freenode, then farewell; i am just very sad for techrights to have bent this way [00:32] schestowitz kaniini: depending on the reason [00:32] CrystalMath schestowitz: i am thoroughly disappointed [00:32] schestowitz like, forking GIMP because of the name is needless [00:32] schestowitz so glimpse perished [00:32] schestowitz as we predicted [00:32] schestowitz libreoffice= good [00:32] Ariadne no [00:32] schestowitz because oracle sucks [00:33] schestowitz CrystalMath: who said we're leaving? you are missing the point [00:33] schestowitz IRC is collectively a 'thing' [00:33] kaniini schestowitz: FOSS had too many eggs in one basket for years. [00:33] schestowitz kaniini wrote much IRC software [00:33] CrystalMath schestowitz: if you stay on freenode then i can still talk to you [00:33] schestowitz so if you use IRC clients, you're indebted to her too [00:33] *Server is now known as kn\ [00:33] schestowitz IRC and Matrix, Jabber etc. are the things we want to push [00:33] CrystalMath free software has no owners :) [00:33] schestowitz no matter whose network [00:33] kaniini CrystalMath: agree [00:33] schestowitz better than slack and stuff [00:34] schestowitz the surveillance capitalists [00:34] kaniini i use GNU AGPL to ensure my code has no owners [00:34] kaniini i do not wish to be owned by rasengan [00:34] schestowitz techrights is all liberally licensed [00:34] schestowitz used to be gpl-ish, now a mix of that and CC [00:34] CrystalMath but i mean... even if you stay on freenode, the fact that you want to cease posting news in favor of freenode is shocking enough [00:34] kn\ kaniini: see my chat [00:35] CrystalMath it's enough of a spineless bend [00:35] CrystalMath for me to quit techrights even if it does stay on freenode [00:35] schestowitz that's just how we beat the paywall lovers [00:35] MinceR news should not be in favor of anybody or anything except the truth [00:35] CrystalMath MinceR: the truth favors someone though [00:35] kaniini anyway, freenode and libera should be considered proprietary software [00:35] schestowitz CrystalMath: than you don't support us [00:35] kaniini self hosting is the way [00:35] schestowitz if that's the condition [00:35] kaniini it always was [00:35] schestowitz because techrights is made possible by many people [00:35] MinceR i thought they ran free ircd-s [00:35] schestowitz I'm just the articles 'cog' [00:36] schestowitz MinceR spent like 12 years on IRC [00:36] CrystalMath schestowitz: you have a belief, you did not receive information that changes that belief, only a threat - you SUCCUMBED to that threat, instead of doing everything in your power to fight against it [00:36] kaniini by the way psydroid i actually have views on software freedom which are in some ways more extreme than RMS's [00:36] CrystalMath schestowitz: that is the disappointing thing [00:36] MinceR schestowitz: pretty sure it's more than that :> [00:36] schestowitz never impacted by editorial freedom [00:37] schestowitz we never took down an article, except one where I confused two entities with the exact same name [00:37] MinceR sadly, even recognizing that systemd is intended to infringe on the freedoms of users is "more extreme than RMS" [00:37] schestowitz which made the article wrong. and showed two exact same name and suffixes can exist... one a patent troll and one totally not [00:37] kn\ I miss the days without systemd [00:38] kaniini kn\: you can have them today, just install alpine :p [00:38] schestowitz it's still possible [00:38] CrystalMath schestowitz: hopefully you understand what i mean? [00:38] MinceR same [00:38] kn\ no [00:38] schestowitz techrights has lots of alpine in place now [00:38] schestowitz except two centos instances [00:38] kn\ it wont run on this laptop [00:38] CrystalMath the proper way is "never give up, never surrender" [00:38] CrystalMath you gave up, you surrendered [00:38] kaniini surrendered how [00:38] kn\ and i need my nvidia. [00:38] schestowitz CrystalMath: you will get transparency on that [00:38] CrystalMath will lee-side.pdf even stay up? [00:38] MinceR By Grabthar's Hammer, by the Sons of Warvan, you shall be avenged! [00:38] CrystalMath i link to it in my quit mesage [00:38] kaniini CrystalMath: i agree with most of lee-side.pdf actuall [00:38] kaniini y [00:38] schestowitz CrystalMath: no, you don't know what was said or what happened [00:39] schestowitz we need irc to get mass appeal [00:39] kaniini i never asked schestowitz to do anything [00:39] schestowitz i think that's what rasengan wants to [00:39] schestowitz we all grew up on irc [00:39] kaniini schestowitz just said he wanted to self-host his own irc [00:39] kaniini and i said [00:39] kaniini "no problem" [00:39] kaniini literally [00:39] kaniini do you want the conversation [00:39] kaniini i'll publish it [00:39] kaniini lmfao [00:39] CrystalMath no... [00:39] CrystalMath i believe you [00:39] CrystalMath but i know why he said it [00:39] psydroid kaniini, I would appreciate it if you could write about those on your blog, when you find the time. I am not much of a traditionalist but I do highly value software freedom. [00:39] schestowitz this is what we wanted last year [00:39] CrystalMath because you threatened to quit the hosting for techrights [00:40] schestowitz when kaniini was busy with alpine stuff [00:40] CrystalMath it's not the problem that you threatened to quit the hosting for techrights [00:40] kaniini CrystalMath: not for any particular reason other than it is stressing me out [00:40] CrystalMath the problem is that schestowitz didn't say "screw you then" [00:40] schestowitz haha [00:40] kaniini i wanted him too [00:40] schestowitz that's bad diplomacy [00:40] kaniini i dont actually want to host this anymore [00:40] kaniini i mean [00:40] kaniini i will [00:40] schestowitz we'd be a dead site if we were that impulsive and tactless [00:40] schestowitz like confiscating 700 channels "just BECAUSE" [00:40] kaniini but then techrights [00:40] kaniini posts something like [00:41] kaniini 30 Reasons To Say Fuck [somebody sponsoring alpine] [00:41] kaniini and i go "haha what if these people figure out i host techrights" [00:41] CrystalMath what i would like to see is techrights sponsored by a commercial webhosting provider [00:41] kaniini though i have literally put techrights on it's own ASN and /24 [00:41] CrystalMath guess i'll just have to read breitbart instead [00:41] kaniini with nothing else on it [00:41] kaniini :P [00:41] schestowitz we did that with tessier [00:42] schestowitz tried to advertise his business [00:42] schestowitz hosting business, all his [00:42] CrystalMath guess i'll just have to read breitbart instead <- this is a joke [00:42] rasengan cancel pressure is scary for sure kaniini - i get what you feel. thank you for hosting techrights, it's really brave and appreciated. [00:42] CrystalMath but i am thoroughly disappointed at your inability to say no and stick to journalistic integrity [00:42] kaniini rasengan: would you like to host techrights??? [00:42] schestowitz try exposing powerful institutions [00:42] kaniini it would make my life easier ^_^ [00:42] schestowitz see how far you get [00:42] CrystalMath kaniini: i would like to host techrights (on a commercial webhosting provider) [00:42] schestowitz pressure is exerted at many levels [00:43] schestowitz private hosting companies are even worse [00:43] CrystalMath kaniini: that i would pay for, but not directly control [00:43] kaniini CrystalMath: you don't see a lot of what happens behind the scenes [00:43] XRevan86 rasengan: By the way, is there any reason left to keep the website on GitHub? [00:43] rasengan kaniini: I'd like to contribute to a fund for techrights to find and have sovereignty over its hosting. [00:43] rasengan Xrevan86: Not at all. [00:43] MinceR sounds like funding is not the only issue though [00:43] schestowitz that would make us dependent on you, rasengan [00:44] schestowitz which just makes it a case of "Swapping Masters" as they call it... [00:44] kaniini fwiw [00:44] rasengan schestowitz: Ideally a fund which has many donors ;o [00:44] CrystalMath kaniini: i'm pretty sure there's nothing a good commercial hosting provider can't do [00:44] schestowitz 'yay! we quit Microsoft ! Welcome GMAIL !!!" [00:44] kaniini CrystalMath: i'm willing to take a lawsuit over stuff schestowitz posts [00:44] kaniini that's the thing [00:44] schestowitz we never got sued [00:44] kaniini thankfully not yet [00:45] kaniini but never know [00:45] schestowitz not even close, just empty threats with no legal basuis [00:45] CrystalMath so yeah, that's kinda a made up threat [00:45] kaniini anyway [00:45] kn\ CrystalMath: you could always open that wallet and pay for the hosting [00:45] CrystalMath kn\: i guess i could make a mirror, if it's all CC [00:46] kaniini trust me, if the techrights community does not wish to be on my network, i have no active desire for it to remain on my network either [00:46] kn\ not mirror but host the main site [00:46] schestowitz hosting is expensive except for introductory packages that are like lock-in/latch [00:46] kn\ bddy [00:46] kaniini i would like the community to do whatever it wants to do [00:46] CrystalMath kn\: schestowitz does not want that [00:46] schestowitz CrystalMath: we all have some different opinions on some things [00:46] CrystalMath kn\: so clearly i'd have to go against his wishes and mirror based on rights given to me by the CC license [00:46] schestowitz that's just how it is [00:47] CrystalMath yes i know but the lack of journalistic integrity is more worrying [00:47] kaniini what lack of integrity [00:47] kaniini all i said is i didn't want to be sysadmin anymore [00:47] kaniini he could have told me to fuck off [00:47] CrystalMath kaniini: he's going to stop speaking in favor of freenode because he would rather have you as the sysadmin [00:47] kaniini and i would have been cool with it [00:47] CrystalMath yes that's precisely it [00:47] CrystalMath it's his journalistic integrity that is broken [00:47] CrystalMath not your fault [00:47] schestowitz who has 100% independence in online publishing? Even a published paper can be spurned by the postperson [00:47] kn\ CrystalMath: kaniini is leaving freenode [00:47] kaniini CrystalMath: have you considered that perhaps he was speaking in favor of freenode because rasengan is a scary dude [00:47] CrystalMath i would speak my mind even if there's a gun to my head [00:48] schestowitz see the Daily Mail/Sun situation [00:48] CrystalMath kaniini: well that would not make it any better, but i don't believe it [00:48] CrystalMath kaniini: as for journalistic integrity that would still be bad [00:48] kaniini CrystalMath: i think somebody with fuck-you money is intimidating [00:48] *kn\ thinks about posting a certain pdf here [00:48] schestowitz CrystalMath: you can mirror the site [00:48] schestowitz the licence allows that [00:49] schestowitz then you own and control the copies [00:49] schestowitz and it helps us [00:49] schestowitz we don't do ads [00:49] kaniini i mean [00:49] kaniini i only am hosting this [00:49] schestowitz we service the whisleblowers [00:49] kaniini because schestowitz asked for a favor [00:49] kaniini he was literally like [00:49] schestowitz they want their stories heard for outcomwe [00:49] kaniini yo tessier is shutting down his hosting [00:49] schestowitz like what happened yesterday at EPO [00:49] kaniini i need some hosting [00:49] kaniini and i was like [00:49] kaniini ok [00:49] kaniini heres some hosting [00:49] CrystalMath and then i would have a nice duplicate of material that has been controlled by all sorts of hosting providers, IRC network operators, who else? [00:50] CrystalMath might as well just mirror gatesrights [00:50] schestowitz go for it [00:50] schestowitz we already have some mirrors [00:50] CrystalMath you had a good opportunity today to say no, and you won't take it [00:50] schestowitz and they 'steal' traffic, which I frankly don't mind [00:51] kaniini rasengan: why haven't you staffed up CrystalMath with all of this advocacy he is doing on your behalf [00:51] MinceR we don't have mirrors of the website though, do we? [00:51] kaniini i think he should have superbia, like eskimo [00:51] MinceR and most users can only use that [00:51] CrystalMath kaniini: i never applied [00:51] kaniini oh, you should [00:51] kaniini i hear you can k-line your enemies [00:51] schestowitz brb, need to speak to colleague at work [00:51] CrystalMath kaniini: i would not do that [00:51] kaniini maybe you'll k-line me [00:51] kaniini i would appreciate it [00:51] CrystalMath i would maybe want to help freenode, but i wouldn't abuse it [00:51] MinceR and so those who would try to silence us think that DDoSing the website is sufficient [00:52] kaniini oh yes, that's another thing i deal with [00:52] kaniini techrights gets ddosed a lot [00:52] CrystalMath kaniini: honestly i wouldn't even set a channel ban on you [00:52] CrystalMath anywhere [00:52] CrystalMath i'm not like that [00:52] kaniini thats a shame, the other staff are [00:52] MinceR (or otherwise making it inaccessible) [00:52] kn\ CrystalMath: Can you tell me why you hate her so much? [00:52] *XRevan86 thanks CrystalMath for that generocity. [00:53] CrystalMath kn\: i don't! i just really distrust her because of things i've seen [00:53] XRevan86 generosity [00:53] kn\ All these shennigans are because you hate kaniini [00:53] CrystalMath like promoting the MIT license [00:53] CrystalMath signing the anti-RMS petition [00:53] kaniini CrystalMath: i promote whatever license fits my whims [00:53] MinceR what's wrong with the MIT/expat license? [00:53] kaniini in the case of IRC software, it will be the GNU Affero GPL [00:53] kaniini which is a very good license [00:53] kaniini it is good because it prohibits rasengan from monetizing my work [00:53] CrystalMath MinceR: because it's for busybox [00:53] MinceR so what? [00:53] kaniini freedom from cost [00:54] kaniini CrystalMath: i am totally fine with GPL for a busybox rewrite [00:54] MinceR i published my window resize/move script (mainly for fvwm) under the MIT/expat license [00:54] kaniini CrystalMath: i just want a busybox rewrite [00:54] kn\ CrystalMath: I think likes and opinions are like assholes. Most of everyone has one [00:54] MinceR lol [00:54] CrystalMath kaniini: i asked you about that and you said "business is business" [00:55] kaniini business, is indeed, business [00:55] kaniini but GPL does not interfere with my goals [00:55] MinceR there's no business like show business [00:55] rasengan I think CrystalMath is standing up for a just cause and standing his ground on what he believes in. I believe kaniini is too. Just because people have different opinions on things doesn't mean anyone is right or wrong. This world is just that diverse and beautiful. :-) [00:55] kn\ CrystalMath: how do you feel about BSD licenses [00:55] kaniini there are lots of components i've written for alpine [00:55] CrystalMath kn\: i use software made under these, but i think that when we have a project that is GPL, rewriting it as MIT is hostile to the idea of software freedom [00:55] kaniini which are GPL [00:56] kaniini CrystalMath: it's not [00:56] CrystalMath kaniini: i believe that it is [00:56] MinceR CrystalMath: consider that people might want to combine a given piece of software with a different piece of software, which might be under a different license [00:56] kaniini software freedom is a form of digital autonomy [00:56] kaniini it's the *autonomy* that matters [00:56] CrystalMath kaniini: ask Richard Stallman, what do you think he would say? [00:56] MinceR i don't see how this would infringe on software freedom [00:56] rasengan kaniini is right and Crystal Math is right. Look, there are differences, but you both are pushing for the same thing. [00:56] kaniini CrystalMath: i have asked him, and he would say "well, I would prefer a copyleft license, but it doesn't really matter" [00:57] rasengan Let's not focus on microarguments and focus on macro change. ;o [00:57] kaniini CrystalMath: because any OSS is better than not OSS [00:57] CrystalMath kaniini: but we talked about a case of "existing GPL -> MIT rewrite" [00:57] kn\ at least it's not one of oracle's oss licenses [00:57] CrystalMath i think this was maybe not clear? [00:57] kaniini CrystalMath: that's not for the license [00:57] kaniini CrystalMath: that's for "busybox code quality is garbage" [00:57] kn\ CrystalMath: lets use an oracle open source license for busybox then :^ [00:57] MinceR ah, so a particular case of promoting the "MIT license" [00:58] MinceR there was some lossy compression there :> [00:58] CrystalMath MinceR: yes that's what i'm talking about, sorry [00:58] kn\ but anyway [00:58] MinceR kn\: CDDL? [00:58] CrystalMath i feel a little rushed, and sad, from what i witnessed techrights do today [00:58] kn\ lol [00:58] kaniini CrystalMath: i never said that particular project must be any license [00:58] kaniini all i said is that a non-GPL license might help with funding [00:59] CrystalMath so you didn't consider the freedom aspect [00:59] kaniini i did consider the freedom aspect ● May 30 [01:00] kaniini the users of alpine do not have any less freedom from an MIT package over a GPL package [01:00] MinceR the freedom aspect isn't black and white [01:00] kaniini the entire distribution is free [01:00] kaniini in fact, alpine is more free than most distributions [01:00] CrystalMath kaniini: but it risks loss of that freedom [01:00] *sepsinn has quit (Quit: leaving) [01:00] kaniini don't care [01:00] MinceR copyleft licenses have freedom advantages, permissive licenses have different freedom advantages [01:00] kaniini what MinceR said [01:00] kn\ LGPL anyone [01:00] kn\ :D [01:00] kaniini somebody strips the freedom, who cares [01:00] kn\ :D [01:00] kaniini you can still get the original [01:00] CrystalMath kaniini: i know you don't, but i'm sure that if we asked Richard Stallman, he wouldn't agree with rewriting a GPL project under non-GPL [01:00] MinceR LGPL is still copyleft, just weak copyleft [01:00] kn\ um [01:01] kaniini CrystalMath: my motivation isn't to "rewrite a GPL project under non-GPL" [01:01] CrystalMath but that is indeed a minor issue as rasengan said [01:01] kn\ why is my glowing bear echoing two times [01:01] kaniini CrystalMath: my motivation is to "rewrite a garbage project, so we have a non-garbage replacement" [01:01] kaniini CrystalMath: and btw, somebody could take an MIT project and then make a GPL fork of it [01:01] kaniini so again, who cares [01:02] CrystalMath i mean, my shock of today is that techrights changes its story on the whim of the hosting provider, and that's not your fault [01:02] CrystalMath you just happen to be the hosting provider today [01:02] kn\ I mean [01:02] kn\ You can always pay for a vps for techrights [01:03] kaniini yes, please do [01:03] MinceR CrystalMath: which stoy was changed? [01:03] schestowitz CrystalMath: you make it sound like it was hosted by kaniini for a month [01:03] XRevan86 kn\: CrystalMath wants to, schestowitz doesn't. [01:03] schestowitz it started in 2018 [01:03] MinceR s/oy/ory/ [01:03] CrystalMath MinceR: the freenode one [01:03] kaniini yes, schestowitz and i created TechRights Limited [01:03] CrystalMath MinceR: it's going to be changed as now schestowitz will no longer support it [01:03] kaniini in UK [01:03] MinceR CrystalMath: how was it changed? [01:03] MinceR kaniini: lol [01:03] kaniini and then he sold it to me [01:03] schestowitz we have been on freenode for over 13 years [01:03] kaniini and now i own it [01:03] CrystalMath MinceR: new stories posted will now probabily villify the new freenode [01:03] kaniini i got the idea from rasengan [01:03] kaniini thanks bro [01:04] *wineroots has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [01:04] CrystalMath and it can be confirmed by the creation of irc.techrights.org [01:04] MinceR CrystalMath: "probably" sounds like not something worth being upset about [01:04] schestowitz we don't want to ruin and fracture IRC, we just want to make it healthier in how it's federated etc. [01:04] schestowitz former freenode stuff, I heard, had also misused power at times [01:04] kaniini they did [01:04] schestowitz like banning for people for 'lols' [01:04] kaniini christel set 'freenude/alcoholic-bunny/kaniini' on me in 2016 without my consent [01:04] MinceR lol [01:05] CrystalMath ... what? [01:05] rasengan CrystalMath: I understand where you're coming from. You're a noble person fighting for a just cause. I think the confusion is in that while I get kaniini did come in here saying she would cut the hosting, that wasn't what she actually meant. She was just really passionate and saying things she didn't mean in my opinion. ;o [01:05] MinceR CrystalMath: vhost [01:05] kaniini rasengan: no i want to cut the hosting [01:05] kaniini really, i do [01:05] kaniini i only want to host my own shit [01:05] kaniini not other peoples shit [01:05] kaniini :D [01:05] CrystalMath rasengan: thank you for the kind words [01:05] rasengan Makes sense kaniini [01:05] rasengan Thank you for hosting techrights. [01:06] CrystalMath MinceR: i understand that but i did not expect that [01:06] rasengan CrystalMath: You're welcome! [01:06] kn\ rasengan: you can take care of the hosting. It would make this situation go away [01:06] schestowitz we accomplished a lot in Friday [01:06] schestowitz one big step towards killing software patents [01:06] kaniini i mean [01:06] schestowitz 150 judges might regain their freedom [01:06] kaniini as kn\ can attest [01:06] kaniini my network is basically [01:06] kaniini the projects of 2 dudes [01:06] kaniini plus techrights [01:06] kaniini (i use dude in a gender-neutral term there) [01:07] schestowitz bbaib [01:07] kn\ We're trying to work on ophion [01:07] schestowitz handing over to a colleague at work [01:07] kn\ Our attention isn't these irc nets [01:07] kaniini and CrystalMath ophion is under GNU Affero GPL [01:07] kaniini the freest license there is [01:07] CrystalMath i said nothing bad about that :) [01:07] kaniini it guarantees freedom from rasengan monetization [01:08] kn\ CrystalMath I will hold kaniini to it. I wanted license change on ophion [01:08] kn\ so [01:08] CrystalMath i don't understand why you're worried about that [01:08] kaniini i think 'cloud computing' and 'SaaS' is a huge threat to digital autonomy [01:09] kn\ We have aspirations into turning irc into something more decentralized [01:09] kn\ avoiding all these non sense fiascos [01:09] kn\ and protecting people's data [01:09] kaniini yes ironically it is the architecture rasengan wants [01:09] kaniini and can have [01:09] kaniini if he abides by the GNU Affero GPL [01:09] MinceR nice [01:09] kaniini if not, i have the phone number of Miller Barondess [01:09] MinceR it kind of reminds me of psyc [01:10] kaniini i hear he is familiar with it [01:10] MinceR lol [01:10] kn\ IRC is showing its age MinceR [01:10] kn\ it's time for change [01:10] kn\ But not like this [01:10] CrystalMath btw i'm not against self-hosting, i am in fact supporting libreboot's IRC self-hosting endeavor [01:10] kaniini then support schestowitz [01:10] kaniini because he wanted this [01:10] kaniini since 2018 [01:11] kaniini he also wanted [01:11] kaniini me to get him off centos [01:11] kaniini since 2018 [01:11] rasengan I think he does support him greatly. There was just some confusion earlier. [01:11] rasengan (Not trying to speak for him) [01:11] schestowitz am doing handover [01:11] schestowitz saw highlight [01:11] *schestowitz still needs to do a full-time job for a living [01:11] kaniini there is still .. systemd .. in the infrastructure [01:11] kn\ My stomach is growling at 4am in the morning [01:12] CrystalMath i want to support schestowitz, but i'm worried about the risk to techright's journalistic integrity because it seems to sometimes bend to the wishes of the hosting provider [01:12] kn\ I don't like staying up. So can you relay the problem you have now and how we can satisfy you [01:12] kaniini CrystalMath: but he does not have to [01:12] schestowitz CrystalMath: kaniini NEVER asked me to change something I wrote. NEVER> [01:12] kaniini yes, never [01:13] CrystalMath schestowitz: not directly, but indirectly you now have to do so, because her hosting depends on it [01:13] kaniini the only thing i asked him to do was stop publishing pocock's shit [01:13] schestowitz SLAPPers tried [01:13] CrystalMath kaniini: and is that fair? [01:13] kaniini and i explained why [01:13] kaniini and he agreed [01:13] kaniini CrystalMath: i mean, he could have said no [01:13] kaniini it's not like i said [01:13] kaniini i'm going to turn your shit off [01:13] CrystalMath he should have said no, that would maintain journalistic integrity [01:13] kaniini if you post pocock stuff [01:13] schestowitz I posted the on-topic and reasonable things [01:13] kaniini CrystalMath: but the content he was posting lacked journalistic integrity [01:13] schestowitz even years ago I refused to publish some of his posts [01:14] schestowitz esp. those comparing people to nazis [01:14] schestowitz and sexual stuff [01:14] schestowitz so I always cherry-picked [01:14] schestowitz like we curate Daily Links [01:14] schestowitz not everything published somewhere fits in [01:15] kn\ CrystalMath you have someone with much deeper pockets to be sponsor [01:15] schestowitz many articles about freenode were also wrong [01:15] kn\ kaniini wants to walk away [01:15] kn\ that will make everyone happy [01:15] CrystalMath kn\: it seems that $12/mo is enough, that's not very deep [01:15] kaniini i mean [01:15] schestowitz kn\: that someone would than become the "master" [01:15] CrystalMath that's possibly my limit though. i'm quite poor [01:15] kaniini i pretty much just let schestowitz do whatever he wants [01:16] schestowitz poverty is a man-made condition [01:16] kn\ cash donations doesnt mean someone has to be your master [01:16] schestowitz we all die eventually [01:16] kaniini he basically has a gigantic VM on an openstack cloud [01:16] kn\ he can make a small donation to you for you to get your own hosting [01:16] schestowitz burying outselves with coins isn't much [01:16] kaniini and an entire /24 to play with [01:16] BaronVladimirHar I gave Mandy a silver supplement. [01:16] CrystalMath kn\: i would use a commercial hosting provider because i trust commercial providers [01:16] kn\ ok [01:16] BaronVladimirHar He started getting better almost right away. [01:16] CrystalMath kn\: but schestowitz refused [01:16] schestowitz CrystalMath: not wise [01:16] schestowitz to trust them [01:16] MinceR BaronVladimirHar: going for argyria? :> [01:16] schestowitz they also have shareholders [01:17] schestowitz they exercise control over those companies [01:17] BaronVladimirHar That sounds like the Tok'ra's queen. [01:17] kn\ im sure he can provide the money for it and kaniini can walk away if you think it jeopardizes the integrity [01:17] kaniini schestowitz reached out because we go back to 2008 [01:17] MinceR BaronVladimirHar: no, that's Egeria [01:17] kaniini i used to follow boycott novell [01:17] kn\ no one will be a master if its a donation [01:17] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 30.50 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 7.76 swarm size (avg): 234.10 [01:17] kn\ simple [01:17] kaniini and noMono [01:17] BaronVladimirHar MinceR: I was joking. [01:17] CrystalMath schestowitz: will this channel stay here on freenode? [01:17] MinceR :) [01:17] CrystalMath schestowitz: you said you'll merge the logs and stuff [01:18] techrights-bot #Kaidan 0.8 released: Typing notifications & message synchronization http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151732 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kaidan 0.8 released: Typing notifications & message synchronization | Tux Machines [01:18] techrights-bot #My familys Linux story http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151733 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | My family's Linux story | Tux Machines [01:19] schestowitz CrystalMath: yes [01:19] CrystalMath okay, then there is no problem [01:19] schestowitz :-D [01:19] CrystalMath i'll stay here [01:19] schestowitz bbiab [01:19] schestowitz very stressed here today [01:19] CrystalMath and i still support techrights [01:19] schestowitz we lost champions league [01:19] schestowitz I had just 1 hour of sleep [01:19] schestowitz lots to catch up with in TR and tuxmachines [01:20] MinceR soccer isn't worth stressing about [01:20] schestowitz relatively minor, yes [01:20] schestowitz but nice if TheY can win [01:20] MinceR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A [01:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why you heff to be mad? (Original) - YouTube [01:20] CrystalMath after all, you did say earlier, that this will be your last article about IRC drama [01:20] schestowitz not my fault, the players' and coach [01:20] CrystalMath so there would likely not be any more anyway, and the current articles remain unchanged, so there should be no loss of journalistic integrity [01:20] schestowitz CrystalMath: yes, I try not to write about IRC at all because it leads to infighting [01:20] schestowitz it's like a cancer [01:21] schestowitz like fighting people over WHICH freesw licence [01:21] schestowitz instead of looking to squash propietary [01:21] CrystalMath vim vs. emacs? :) [01:21] rasengan ^ [01:21] schestowitz inc. github (proprietary) [01:21] rasengan Yeah we just need to all get along and realize that the micro arguments are taking time away from the actual macro objective! [01:21] kaniini fwiw rasengan is even invited to participate in building ophion [01:21] rasengan kaniini: Thank you. :-) [01:21] schestowitz :-D [01:21] kaniini if he really wants decentralized irc, that's how we get there [01:21] schestowitz the goal is to kill slack, skype, teams, zoom... [01:22] MinceR discord [01:22] kaniini schestowitz: yes [01:22] kaniini schestowitz: but it will take some time [01:22] techrights-bot "The US is actually becoming more like the EPO in its approach, but differences still exist, particularly in software, AI and medical devices." They use corrupt #epo management and buzzwords to promote bogus software patents https://www.lawyer-monthly.com/2021/05/creating-real-value-in-a-patent-portfolio-in-both-the-us-and-europe/ [01:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lawyer-monthly.com | Creating Real Value in a Patent Portfolio Internationally [01:22] kaniini i work on alpine full time [01:22] kaniini this is a side project [01:22] kn\ so what's happening? [01:22] techrights-bot "AI-developed algorithms run for multiple cancer types on the same blood sample" = more bogus #swpats from the deeply corrupted #epo https://www.proactiveinvestors.com/companies/news/946087/todos-wins-notice-of-allowance-from-european-patent-office-for-patent-covering-cancer-diagnosis-using-tbia-immune-profiling-946087.html [01:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.proactiveinvestors.com | Todos Medical Ltd wins Notice of Allowance from European Patent Office for patent covering cancer diagnosis using TBIA Immune Profiling [01:23] drazak rasengan: can you remind me what the macro objective is ? [01:23] techrights-bot #IBM Layoffs/Redundancies Rumours (2021) http://techrights.org/2021/05/29/ibm-layoffsredundancies-rumours-2021/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/29/ibm-layoffsredundancies-rumours-2021/ [01:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM Layoffs/Redundancies Rumours (2021) | Techrights [01:24] kaniini kn\: my guess is that there will be irc.techrights.org, and there will also be freenode for CrystalMath [01:24] kn\ i guess they'll need a relay bot [01:24] *schestowitz goes to grab some food [01:24] rasengan drazak: irc wise macro objective is decentralization and a return of irc without getting into specifics... everyone has their different reasons i think. [01:25] rasengan (and everyone has more than 1 reason) [01:25] CrystalMath kaniini: i generally hope that people do stay here as well [01:25] CrystalMath i'll bring more people in, maybe [01:25] CrystalMath people should have the right to choose [01:25] kn\ CrystalMath: probably won't happen but they'll be a relay bot probably just for you [01:25] CrystalMath kn\: why? [01:25] kn\ there will be [01:26] CrystalMath no i mean why do you believe that there won't be people here? [01:26] kn\ schestowitz's objective is to self host and govern [01:26] CrystalMath i understand that [01:26] XRevan86 It is not convinient for my set-up to be in two places. [01:26] CrystalMath but i also don't want freenode to lose users :) [01:26] CrystalMath that's why i will not connect to irc.techrights.org [01:26] rasengan CrystalMath: freenode may lose users, but the cause and movement will never die. [01:27] CrystalMath rasengan: well there are many that have decided to stay [01:27] kaniini rasengan: yes, like bed bugs [01:27] CrystalMath i'm working day and night to find more and more and get channels to bridge [01:27] CrystalMath i managed to reopen a bunch of channels and set up a bridge [01:28] CrystalMath with just conversations with channel owners [01:28] rasengan CrystalMath: That's great to hear -- freenode will do its best to be a proper custodian til the day when everyone can be their own custodian easily. [01:28] kaniini what do you mean by 'custodian' [01:28] kn\ :s [01:28] rasengan Provider, support, help, etc. [01:29] CrystalMath i really want freenode to continue to be the most popular IRC network, too [01:29] kaniini i really don't care about any of that [01:29] CrystalMath so i'm trying to keep people here as hard as i can [01:29] kaniini i just support individual and collective digital autonomy for all [01:29] rasengan That's a good goal. [01:29] kaniini if people want to use freenode, that's their biz [01:29] rasengan We'll get there. [01:30] kn\ what's your plan for turning around freenode then? [01:30] rasengan kn\: Take 1 step at a time, slowly, with proper communication and discussion. [01:30] schestowitz kn\: correct [01:30] schestowitz where possible [01:30] schestowitz caveats=ISPs etc. [01:31] *schestowitz used IRC before ever using a Web browser [01:31] CrystalMath kn\: what i'm doing is trying to put the breaks on the move by opening bridges with projects that have left, essentially making it so that the project has two networks instead of having "moved" [01:31] kaniini my original goals with alpine was to build the smallest possible OS to allow for individuals to secure their own digital autonomy [01:31] kn\ because when you have people on your staff that make homophobic/transphobic/racist remarks or he or she impersonates people past or present it creates a narrative of distrust. [01:31] CrystalMath kn\: in some cases i had to split the community and provide support for the projects unofficially [01:31] kn\ I literally posted every log and screenshot for eskimo for apologize and own up to it [01:32] kn\ but the reply was either lol or him owning it and apologizing. [01:32] CrystalMath kn\: eskimo explained that, it's totally not what it looked like [01:32] CrystalMath his imageboard website used to have a public timeline [01:32] kn\ No it is what it looked like. [01:32] kaniini alpine was used during the arab spring to work around hostility from the egyptian state through the use of adhoc mesh networking on crap like old laptops etc [01:32] kn\ It goes deeper than his imageboard. [01:32] kn\ stop right there. [01:32] kn\ kaniini you know I am not wrong. [01:33] kaniini i'm not going to say how we verified some things ^_^ [01:33] kaniini just that they were definitely verified! [01:33] techrights-bot #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151734 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [01:33] CrystalMath kn\: what you are doing is cancel culture against eskimo [01:33] techrights-bot The above video took a lot of research time to prepare (about 200 visits to the forums over the past month); companies are rarely upfront about layoffs/cost-saving plans and growing corporate/staff unrest http://techrights.org/2021/05/29/ibm-layoffsredundancies-rumours-2021/ [01:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM Layoffs/Redundancies Rumours (2021) | Techrights [01:33] CrystalMath kn\: plus it's false [01:33] CrystalMath but cancel culture is usually baseless [01:33] kaniini it is 100% accurate [01:34] kn\ kaniini is one of my first friends that I ever accepted as transgender. Had it been me years ago, I would of made asshole remarks but I changed for the better and my views changed as I grew as a person [01:34] kaniini anyway [01:34] CrystalMath kn\: are you implying that you had friends you didn't accept? [01:35] kn\ Huh? [01:35] *bagira (~bagira@freenode/staff/phanes) has joined #techrights [01:35] kn\ I grew up in the south. [01:35] kn\ Where things like that weren't ok. [01:35] kaniini go away chris [01:35] kn\ I went in the military [01:35] kn\ people didn't like it there either [01:35] kn\ People change. [01:35] CrystalMath hi bagira! nice to see you here [01:35] kaniini rasengan: why haven't you deopered chris punches yet [01:36] kn\ same with eskimo man [01:36] CrystalMath kaniini: because he is a good person [01:36] kn\ no it's he not. [01:36] CrystalMath well i can't speak for rasengan [01:36] kn\ no he's not [01:36] CrystalMath but i believe that bagira is a good person [01:36] techrights-bot A lot of the time you get the feeling that #ultimateedition is developed and maintained by a drunk person :-) http://ultimateedition.info/massive/ [01:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ultimateedition.info | MASSIVE !!! - Ultimate Edition [01:36] CrystalMath kaniini: what you are doing is also "cancel culture", and why i had hoped that techrights will continue without you [01:37] *XRevan86 is in a zoo-garden now. [01:37] kn\ ........ [01:38] CrystalMath schestowitz: so you see why i find difficulty in trusting techrights with people like kaniini and kn\ on board? [01:41] schestowitz we don't have a Board of Directors :-) [01:42] MinceR :> [01:42] *wineroots (f24d257755@gateway/shell/disroot.org/x-mrxxulibtwicjuwc) has joined #techrights [01:42] BaronVladimirHar I just took some silver. I've been nursing an oncoming sinus infection. [01:42] BaronVladimirHar Let's see if it has any effect on that. [01:43] CrystalMath schestowitz: but clearly they influence decisions [01:43] BaronVladimirHar They happen so frequently that I don't go to the doctor anymore. They might give me antiobiotics, and that'll chase it off for a few months. [01:43] CrystalMath anyway, if i see techrights move away from freenode, i will stop reading it, and stop participating in the community; i'm fine with a presence here and there though [01:43] schestowitz the only emails telling me what to write are from sources [01:44] schestowitz fragmentation is the issue [01:44] CrystalMath there = irc.techrights.org [01:44] schestowitz moving away is not the solution [01:44] CrystalMath at least it's not that bastard network that i will not mention (something beginning with L) [01:44] MinceR lol [01:44] schestowitz my IRC clients support multiple networks in tandem [01:44] schestowitz didn't try this before [01:44] schestowitz all those years [01:44] BaronVladimirHar I used to use HexChat. [01:44] MinceR i'm on 11 networks :> [01:45] BaronVladimirHar Many IRC networks block you if you use a VPN now. [01:45] schestowitz heck, maybe we could write bridges [01:45] schestowitz with suckless ii [01:45] MinceR the only irc client i ever used that lacked multiserver support was mirc [01:45] schestowitz to relay things across [01:45] schestowitz I can do it or experiment tomorrow [01:45] MinceR there are already bridge bots available, afaik [01:45] BaronVladimirHar mIRC let you connect to numerous servers. [01:45] schestowitz but the issue is how to handle usernames etc. [01:45] MinceR BaronVladimirHar: eventually. [01:45] BaronVladimirHar I used it when I had Windows 98. [01:45] schestowitz MinceR: I can imagine... [01:45] CrystalMath MinceR: i'm concerned that this is really just a project to compromise by making freenode lose more users [01:45] schestowitz [01:43] schestowitz: but clearly they influence decisions [01:45] BaronVladimirHar I appreciated how easy it was to script in mIRC. [01:46] schestowitz more than just me influence decisions [01:46] schestowitz on a lot of things [01:46] schestowitz it's not an ego trip [01:46] kn\ mirc is as simple as /server -m [01:46] schestowitz This channel/network was set up for us by slated from slated.org [01:46] CrystalMath i'll probably put the bridge bot on ignore if it gets here [01:46] kaniini rasengan: did you know your staffer is threatening to sue me? [01:46] schestowitz Keith from Scotland [01:48] BaronVladimirHar mIRC should run fine on GNU/Linux distributions in Wine if you want to set it up that way. [01:48] kn\ still runs like crap and not necessary if you use glowing bear or hexchat or some other client [01:49] MinceR BaronVladimirHar: multiserver support was added in 6.0, i used 5.x [01:49] MinceR https://www.mirc.com/newsold.html [01:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mIRC: Older News [01:49] MinceR i switched to xchat before mirc 6.0 came out [01:49] BaronVladimirHar I switched to ChatZilla mostly for a while, then XChat, then HexChat. [01:50] MinceR i went mirc -> xchat -> kvirc -> irssi [01:50] techrights-bot #SteamOS Review: Linux for Your Living Room http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151735 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #Debian [01:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SteamOS Review: Linux for Your Living Room | Tux Machines [01:50] kn\ yikes [01:50] kn\ steamos is terrible [01:50] BaronVladimirHar ChatZilla has been updated, finally, to run in SeaMonkey again, and moved into the main program. [01:51] kn\ also I have a steam machine made by dell [01:51] MinceR lol [01:51] kn\ I installed libreelec [01:51] kn\ Kodi runs good with emby [01:51] XRevan86 I also have an IRC client journey: I used to use ejabberd mod_irc, now I'm on biboumi. [01:51] techrights-bot #Blockchain being thrown at everything for hype's sake :-) https://www.iottechtrends.com/how-zero-trust-blockchain-tech-secure-air-force/ [01:51] kn\ I am use a cable tuner I have in the US [01:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iottechtrends.com | How Zero-trust Blockchain Tech Can Secure the Air Force - IoT Tech Trends [01:51] CrystalMath schestowitz: tbh, the reason why i'm angry with you is because i skipped sleeping trying to get people to stay on freenode [01:52] CrystalMath schestowitz: i literally have to replace 8-9 support teams now [01:52] drazak rasengan: so if the macro objective is decentralization, I guess it isn't a concern people are leaving for libera chat and other networks more in line with FOSS ethics [01:52] kn\ and watch american television from here [01:52] CrystalMath drazak: this network is perfectly in line with FLOSS ethics [01:52] MinceR i don't see how they're more in line with "FOSS ethics" [01:52] CrystalMath drazak: in fact, Libera is against FLOSS ethics, as schestowitz said in a video earlier today [01:52] drazak CrystalMath: I'm sure it's perfectly in line with making sure there's nothing between your teeth :) who isn't [01:53] CrystalMath drazak: why are you even here, if you support garbage networks like Libera? Libera is strongly against the freedom of speech [01:53] schestowitz [01:52] schestowitz: i literally have to replace 8-9 support teams now [01:53] schestowitz you mean shifts? [01:53] kn\ I am going to keep my comments to myself but [01:53] CrystalMath schestowitz: no, many channels that have moved, i'm now doing all the support on the unofficial channels [01:54] drazak I don't think I said I support any of the other networks [01:54] kn\ I'll say one more thing CrystalMath, I think you have a screw loose up there [01:54] CrystalMath ##regex, ##perl, ##fvwm, ... [01:54] kn\ my opinion not fact [01:54] schestowitz IRC is not great for support tbh [01:54] CrystalMath i have to maintain it all when people come, so that they don't leave for that other place [01:54] schestowitz esp. because solutions do not get archives [01:55] CrystalMath kn\: freenode is my home and i love it, i will never forgive the libera staff for the lies they wrote [01:55] schestowitz so you end up having to explain the same things over and over again [01:55] kn\ what lies do you think they wrote [01:55] drazak CrystalMath: I don't think taking over channels because the community decided to move is at all in line with FOSS ethics, but I'd happy to debate it [01:55] CrystalMath drazak: i didn't, i just joined them and i provide support [01:55] CrystalMath i've been given ops in some, but they are not mine [01:55] CrystalMath only ##fvwm is mine [01:56] drazak I didn't suggest you did, i suggested the staff of this network did, which there's documented proof of [01:56] schestowitz CrystalMath: I am still trying to wrap my head around this fragmentation [01:56] MinceR attempting to cancel someone over poorly understood writings isn't in line with free software ethics either [01:56] MinceR and "open source" is irrelevant [01:56] schestowitz federation is not decentralisation, only similar [01:57] schestowitz but thankfully we can unify things in the sense of records [01:57] CrystalMath drazak: the ethics of FLOSS is that software should not have owners - but some people decided to lock down channels [01:58] schestowitz I can, for example, use sort and uniq to merge IRC logs [01:58] CrystalMath drazak: i am very glad that staff gave us a path to bypass that [01:58] schestowitz the timestamps are formatted suitably already [01:58] MinceR wouldn't it make more sense to keep them as separate logs? [01:58] MinceR at least as long as we have no bridge [01:58] drazak CrystalMath: I think people tried to direct their communities to their new homes, to prevent fragmentation of their community caused by displeasure with the host of their community ( rasengan ) [01:58] schestowitz depending on source file I can add icon for source network [01:58] CrystalMath drazak: not everyone shares this displeasure [01:58] drazak CrystalMath: and because there was concern over numbers going down, staff decided to take the channels over [01:59] CrystalMath drazak: yes because people were forced to leave [01:59] drazak so, a community like gentoo can't decide where it wants its irc home to be ? [01:59] schestowitz MinceR: that's the natural thought, yes [01:59] CrystalMath drazak: if i want to have a gentoo community on freenode i should be allowed to have one [01:59] schestowitz or to split somewhere, then basically have two sections [01:59] schestowitz as the networks are not concurrent ● May 30 [02:00] drazak so, did freenode get rid of ## for official project channels ? [02:00] schestowitz either way, this isn't one network against the other per se but self-hosted plus "critical mass" etc. [02:00] CrystalMath drazak: ## is for unofficial [02:00] CrystalMath drazak: that's what my channels are [02:00] schestowitz you can guess which will have lower s/n ratio [02:01] schestowitz MinceR: the "Mandy diaries..." [02:01] schestowitz composed by the spouse [02:01] MinceR lol [02:03] schestowitz BleepingComputer [02:03] schestowitz Microsoft boosting again https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/hands-on-with-wslg-running-linux-gui-apps-in-windows-10/ [02:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Hands on with WSLg: Running Linux GUI apps in Windows 10 [02:03] schestowitz WSL with a geeeeeee [02:03] schestowitz the geeee [02:03] schestowitz oh geeee [02:03] schestowitz wonder why Canonical's WSL staff jumped ship [02:03] schestowitz better not ask them [02:04] schestowitz they'll come here to IRC again with a new cloak [02:04] schestowitz WSLg10 [02:04] schestowitz WSLg10x [02:04] kn\ I don't like the idea of WSL [02:04] schestowitz WSLg10x Premium Edition+ [02:04] schestowitz kn\: it's a form of EEE [02:04] kn\ I am happier with Windows in a VM [02:04] schestowitz they already added DX [02:04] schestowitz so we know what they have in mind [02:04] schestowitz you think you develop in 'Linux [02:05] schestowitz but it won't run without Vista10 [02:05] CrystalMath kn\: you know that my eyes are red from all this reading and typing, all the time? [02:05] CrystalMath and the crying [02:05] schestowitz so they you deploy servers and stuff on windows + overhead [02:05] CrystalMath probably mostly because of the crying [02:05] kn\ Maybe you should see a doctor about that [02:05] schestowitz CrystalMath: appreciate the sincerity, sorry about all that.. [02:06] schestowitz kn\: no, he spent a lot of effort in IRC [02:06] schestowitz that's understandable [02:06] kn\ schestowitz I am not quite as nice and I will be blunt [02:06] schestowitz no need to [02:06] schestowitz not helping [02:06] kn\ us military messed my body up. im not crying [02:07] kn\ Sorry but I don't play into that. The freenode situation has already been harmful enough and has hurt a lot of people. [02:07] schestowitz my wife complains I never cry [02:07] schestowitz kn\: shows why we're right to avert this whole split and infighting [02:08] schestowitz amicable splits are one thing... [02:08] schestowitz but this is a propaganda war [02:08] schestowitz where people call horrible names and make caricatures of people whom they see as "enemies" [02:08] CrystalMath schestowitz: yet i see you giving into the propaganda and moving away from freenode [02:08] schestowitz CrystalMath: nope, not even close [02:08] schestowitz we've long wanted to have a self-hosted contingency [02:09] kn\ I think I only care about the ophion project mostly now. it will prevent disasters from happening like this ever again [02:09] schestowitz techrights isn't moving to anything but techrights [02:09] schestowitz we're moving more inwards while keeping the doors all open [02:09] kn\ But I will tell you this [02:09] schestowitz CrystalMath: one way you can help easily is pin bulletins [02:09] kn\ The universities in the south do not promote open source [02:10] CrystalMath schestowitz: accepting a compromise that hurts freenode, in a pretty bad time, when every connection counts [02:10] schestowitz http://techrights.org/ipfs/bulletins.html [02:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [02:10] schestowitz CIDs there [02:10] kn\ Universities in the south like their walled gardens [02:10] CrystalMath schestowitz: why now? [02:10] schestowitz CrystalMath: we're 90 users here online [02:10] schestowitz not hanging up [02:10] kn\ Most of my professors never advocated for open source software and that's troubling [02:10] schestowitz CrystalMath: because finally there's an IRC guru helping to set up what we wanted a year ag [02:10] schestowitz *Ago [02:10] kn\ All they advocated for was eclipse which is troubling [02:11] schestowitz eclipse is better than VS crap [02:11] CrystalMath schestowitz: conveniently at a time when dropping a connection to freenode is political [02:11] schestowitz I used eclipse [02:11] kn\ You don't want to know what I use [02:11] kn\ lol [02:11] kn\ actually [02:11] kn\ I'll tell you [02:11] MinceR i use vim [02:11] kn\ I use Intellij [02:11] kn\ it's not free [02:11] schestowitz CrystalMath: looks like we move towards ophion as solution [02:11] kn\ i mean it is and it isn't [02:12] schestowitz like the one Lee was pursuing before it blew over [02:12] schestowitz free software is winning [02:12] schestowitz hence all this chaos [02:12] schestowitz power trips and outside interference [02:12] schestowitz IBM is collapsing [02:12] schestowitz not Red Hat [02:12] schestowitz but IBM [02:12] schestowitz They've joined hands with Microsoft in some areas [02:13] schestowitz they're a losing team [02:13] schestowitz Amazon and others take all the carrots [02:13] schestowitz Android is becoming 'too [02:13] schestowitz ' dominant [02:13] schestowitz Free software becomes de facto foe devs [02:13] schestowitz so Microsoft tries to rebrand MSVS as "open" [02:13] schestowitz even by lying [02:14] schestowitz blowing money on a dying repo [02:14] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/01/24/fleeing-github/ [02:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: The Year After We Bought GitHub There Was a Significant Decline in Number of New Projects on GitHub | Techrights [02:14] schestowitz more people not self host and use sourcehut etc. [02:14] CrystalMath schestowitz: personally i believe the best time to leave freenode was UNTIL a week ago, now freenode is much better, and can be entirely trusted [02:15] schestowitz we just need to steer them away from clown computing [02:15] CrystalMath so i will ignore any bridge that comes here [02:15] schestowitz CrystalMath: freenode # of users didn't change much [02:15] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/stats-freenode-history-uc.png [02:15] schestowitz peaked in 2015 [02:16] CrystalMath i know, i still loved it when it was just 50k [02:16] schestowitz now it's back to 2013-ish levels [02:16] CrystalMath in 2008 when i first connected [02:16] CrystalMath and yeah we have been dropping steadily since 2015 [02:16] schestowitz I started with dalnet iirc [02:16] MinceR i liked it more when it was new to me [02:16] kn\ huh [02:16] kn\ what graph are you looking at schestowitz [02:16] kn\ https://netsplit.de/networks/history/top10_2021u.png [02:16] kn\ this is the graph I am looking it. [02:16] drazak rasengan: well, interested in your thoughts when you have time [02:17] MinceR kn\: the graph you're looking at only shows 2021 [02:17] kn\ https://isfreenodedeadyet.com/ [02:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-isfreenodedeadyet [02:17] kn\ -2k users today. [02:17] schestowitz it was high around feb, I mentioned that yesterday [02:17] CrystalMath there was always a 2k bounce every day [02:17] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 29.75 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 8.91 swarm size (avg): 234.19 [02:17] CrystalMath if you look at the history [02:17] schestowitz anyway, I saw NO POSTS ABOUT IRC today [02:17] schestowitz in all my RSS feeds [02:18] schestowitz so let's hope people can move on and go back to coding [02:18] schestowitz I made 3 videos yesterday [02:18] schestowitz and spent 2 hours on the phone [02:18] MinceR that site doesn't show any data to me [02:18] kn\ you don't think that the major projects leaving freenode impacts the population vastly? [02:18] CrystalMath https://netsplit.de/tmp/networks/stats-freenode-week-uc.png [02:19] CrystalMath as you can see we've always had daily bounces [02:19] CrystalMath but today we didn't bounce back up as high [02:20] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151736 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [02:20] kn\ so you're still going to say this when freenode hits 30k users after all the matrix bridges move? [02:21] CrystalMath kn\: both matrix bridges are up [02:21] schestowitz matrix does not count for that much [02:21] schestowitz and matrix links here OK [02:21] CrystalMath matrix is 20k but why would it disconnect from freenode? [02:21] schestowitz let's change subject and move on [02:21] schestowitz we're about to generate the IRC logs for yesterday [02:21] schestowitz 2:30 [02:22] MinceR the matrix bridge seems to crash every now and then [02:22] CrystalMath MinceR: yes, you can see a few days ago [02:22] CrystalMath they account for 20k [02:23] CrystalMath kn\: you know that matrix bridges to more than one network? [02:24] CrystalMath they bridge to OFTC too [02:25] drazak Matrix bridges: still stupid 25 years later [02:26] schestowitz MinceR: working on the merge solution [02:26] schestowitz might want to add ip cloaks [02:26] schestowitz for now I sub with x's [02:26] MinceR there's HostServ for that, if you mean the other side [02:26] MinceR if you're an ircop, you can just /quote hostserv set :> [02:26] schestowitz I will look into that, thanks [02:26] MinceR there might also be a way to have automatic cloaking [02:27] schestowitz that might help [02:27] MinceR so that if someone joins, the least significant part of their address is hashed [02:27] schestowitz also safer for our whisleblowers [02:27] schestowitz who DM [02:27] schestowitz freenode staff could always see the ips and logs and stuff [02:27] schestowitz not a new issue [02:28] schestowitz whistleblowers don't know what that "other domain" is [02:28] schestowitz https://www.davidrevoy.com/article847/the-official-chat-room-moved [02:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.davidrevoy.com | The official chat room moved - David Revoy [02:28] schestowitz this is the ONLY one from today [02:28] schestowitz just one small channel [02:29] schestowitz #pepper&carrot [02:29] schestowitz he also did the anti-RMS thing [02:29] schestowitz so I am not shocked [02:29] schestowitz in fact, this is much as expected... [02:29] schestowitz "To interact with us, you'll need to create an account (and I recommend the read of our CoC) but that's all. Easy!" [02:29] schestowitz We never had a CoC [02:30] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [02:30] schestowitz they want to have their CoC fights [02:30] schestowitz good luck with that [02:30] MinceR :> [02:30] schestowitz they'll only hurt one another where amicable resolutions are possible [02:30] schestowitz you talk to both sides [02:30] schestowitz and find a way forward [02:30] schestowitz not prick-waving (or CoC-wavinf) [02:31] MinceR schestowitz__: apparently cloaking can be configured in the configuration file (default.yaml or something like that) in the ip-cloaking: section [02:31] schestowitz intimidation with a virtual baseball bat [02:31] schestowitz I don't consider it a 'Safe space" where netkkkops threaten people with bans [02:31] schestowitz it's a two-way street [02:32] kaniini well i support the autonomy of #pepper&carrot to use whatever IRC network they wish [02:32] schestowitz in the context of irc also collective punishment, e.g. whole channel for one's person's speech [02:32] schestowitz kaniini: yeah [02:32] schestowitz no point fighting over it [02:32] schestowitz just taking stock, that's all [02:32] kaniini I also think the pepper & carrot web comic is quite nice. [02:33] MinceR indeed [02:36] schestowitz I love i and promote it [02:36] schestowitz mr. revoy felt hurt about rms coming back to fsf board [02:37] schestowitz i personally think he misunderstood rms' position [02:37] kaniini well i didn't think that was particularly great either [02:37] schestowitz based on what he was told and/or heard [02:37] kaniini though, upon further thought about it [02:37] schestowitz but... maybe not [02:37] kaniini i guess it does not really matter [02:37] tessier schestowitz: Speaking of hosting..it's super hard to sell hosting. We never got a single inquiry from the ads we ran on techrights etc. But we tried. The hosting just wasn't growing and I didn't know how to sell it. I'm not a salesperson. But an embezzling partner didn't help and is ultimately what made me decide to close it down. [02:37] schestowitz 2 years ago I was surprised fsf was dependent for comms on third party infra [02:38] tessier There's still litigation pending over that one. [02:38] kaniini tessier: oof [02:38] schestowitz tessier: thanks for clarifying [02:38] MinceR it's sad to see revoy throwing in his lot with SJWs [02:38] schestowitz tessier: we hope that over time people will get off "the clown" (cloud) [02:39] schestowitz it's like mainframe 1.1 [02:39] kaniini mainframes are cooler [02:39] tessier And really, I wasn't trying to sell hosting. I really wanted to sell security programs. Secure hosting that will pass audits etc. But nobody was interested. Especially if it wasn't in "the cloud". [02:39] kaniini i gave a talk about that at alpineconf [02:39] kaniini everyone pretty much agreed that my mainframe was cooler [02:39] MinceR what sort of mainframe? [02:40] tessier Hosting was just something that had to go along with selling secure servers it seemed like. But to my surprise everyone, even the US Federal Government, are ok with having sensitive information in the cloud. [02:40] schestowitz tessier: iirc, your kid uses raspi 400 [02:40] tessier schestowitz: Correct. [02:40] schestowitz we do gemini and ipfs from raspi 4 [02:40] tessier Although we still don't have the sound working on it, a year later. Annoying. [02:40] schestowitz yes, sound is also not loud enough on those [02:40] tessier The problem is that the rpi 400 doesn't even have a 3.5mm jack for sound. Or even bluetooth for bluetooth speakers. [02:41] *acer-box has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [02:41] schestowitz I never even plugged it in, as I was told it would not work too well... but I added a LED HAT to it [02:41] tessier Or maybe it does have bluetooth and we could never get it to connect. [02:41] tessier It's been so long since we have messed with it that I forgot. [02:41] *acer-box (~acer-box@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [02:42] schestowitz yeah, well... those limitations are minor for some uses [02:42] schestowitz maybe you can get your son some programming tools [02:42] BaronVladimirHar Even without the Rewards turned on, Brave is a pretty good browser. [02:43] BaronVladimirHar But the shop manager at the Car-X was interested in it for quite a few reasons, including the cryptocurrency stuff. [02:43] schestowitz tessier: ->>> my pi http://techrights.org/2021/05/23/monitoring-ipfs/ [02:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Using a Single-Board Computer to Monitor IPFS | Techrights [02:43] schestowitz it shows me the ipfs status and more [02:43] BaronVladimirHar I came out ahead on some BAT trades earlier this year. [02:43] tessier He is interested. He has played with Scratch. Not sure yet if he has the patience for it though. I hope so. He wants to do more and is interested in Python but he's 9 which is just a bit young still but almost there. [02:43] tessier I'm playing with Chia. [02:43] schestowitz ah [02:43] BaronVladimirHar I'm not sure there's any browser but Brave that has IPFS built-in. [02:43] schestowitz not the coin [02:44] tessier I'm still puzzled by crypto. I am not too optimistic about it long term. It's all speculative pump and dump it seems. [02:44] schestowitz BaronVladimirHar: true, for now... [02:44] schestowitz I heard they also considered gemini [02:44] schestowitz it's very easy to implement support for it [02:44] tessier But so many people have "too the moon!" religion about it that they don't really dump like traditional short term speculators and profiteers. [02:44] schestowitz maybe one day's worth [02:44] tessier But I think it's got to happen eventually. [02:44] BaronVladimirHar Apparently, WebTorrent in Brave slipped one over the fence on Apple. [02:44] tessier If you can't buy a pack of gum with it, it doesn't have a future. [02:45] BaronVladimirHar They won't sign bittorrent apps on the Mac, but Brave has WebTorrent built in, and you can run it on a Mac with Gatekeeper on. [02:45] schestowitz tessier: that's what I've long said [02:45] schestowitz or if you buy X with it, until year Y but not after that, major uncertainty and risk [02:46] schestowitz MinceR: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-290521.html#tMay%2029%2023:43 [02:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, May 29, 2021 [02:46] BaronVladimirHar Protesters showed up at the Illinois Capitol today. [02:46] schestowitz I will code something to automate it [02:46] BaronVladimirHar They're protesting a nuclear power plant that might shut down. [02:46] BaronVladimirHar Lots of jobs in an area that otherwise doesn't have very many good ones. [02:47] tessier schestowitz: What is IPFS? Interplanetary File System? Why do I want to monitor it? [02:47] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-290521.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-290521.txt Read the log now... [02:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ FreeNode: Saturday, May 29, 2021 [02:47] schestowitz__ for this irc daemon? I never ran any irc daemon at all, just openfire (not IRC) [02:47] schestowitz__ Ariadne might know [02:47] BaronVladimirHar If the nuclear plant shuts down, you have to replace it with capacity someplace else. [02:47] schestowitz__ I don't want to expose IPs of people accustomed to IRC cloaks [02:47] BaronVladimirHar That might put us behind on pollution goals. [02:47] MinceR schestowitz: nice [02:48] MinceR for this one, yes [02:48] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. 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[02:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: Saturday, May 29, 2021 [02:49] MinceR and once that's a given, you don't need to filter them in logs either :> [02:49] schestowitz tomorrow [02:49] schestowitz as i lack sleep at the moment... stress last night [02:49] schestowitz http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-290521.txt [02:49] schestowitz already supported OK [02:50] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-290521.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-290521.txt Read the log now... [02:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Saturday, May 29, 2021 [02:50] schestowitz__ thanks! [02:51] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-05-29.txt [02:51] MinceR np [02:58] techrights-bot Shirish Agarwal: Planes, Pandemic and Medical Devices I https://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2021/05/29/planes-pandemic-and-medical-devices-i/ #india #covid19 [02:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-flossexperiences.wordpress.com | Planes, Pandemic and Medical Devices I Experiences in the community ● May 30 [03:00] techrights-bot "Rich countries donated/gifted ventilators to #India on which GOI put GST of 28%. Apparently, they are a luxury item, just like my hearing aid." https://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2021/05/29/planes-pandemic-and-medical-devices-i/ [03:01] techrights-bot "Today, we're going to talk about which distributions someone currently using Windows could move to. They're not in any specific order or preference, they all answer to different needs!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReAz7ZQ8hgk [03:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The BEST Linux distributions for switching from Windows to Linux - YouTube [03:02] techrights-bot Top 10 video downloaders for #Firefox | FOSS Linux https://www.fosslinux.com/47164/video-downloaders-firefox-add-links-to-the-extensions.htm #fosslinux [03:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslinux.com | Top 10 video downloaders for Firefox | FOSS Linux [03:04] techrights-bot Linux 5.14 To Feature Enhanced Support For #MikroTik 10G/25G NIC - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MikroTik-10G-25G-NIC-Linux-5.14 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/30/#latest [03:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.14 To Feature Enhanced Support For MikroTik 10G/25G NIC - Phoronix [03:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [03:04] techrights-ipfs Gemini requests since start of month: 138925 total Total pages: 35718 Active: active (running) since Fri 2021-03-26 00:17:05 GMT; 2 months 4 days ago [03:04] techrights-ipfs IPFS local node stats (past 23 hours) calculated. TotalIn: 2.2 GB TotalOut: 606 MB [03:04] techrights-ipfs New daily bulletin just generated. It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID [03:06] techrights-ipfs QmUPkoTNKgFCjjDaND9C57Xuicpo1N1GphCnRbEs1JtQGr [03:07] techrights-bot #RemoteDesktop with #GNULinux : 5 Apps Which You Can Use http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151737 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [03:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Remote Desktop with Linux: 5 Apps Which You Can Use | Tux Machines [03:08] techrights-bot "Last year, I took a look at a new Linux distro called Archcraft OS on camera. I trashed Archcraft on that video due to it being virtually unusable due to some insanely small font sizes that caused me pain just looking at it." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qSeZ7ET7PQ [03:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New Release of Archcraft OS. Will It Change My Mind? - YouTube [03:09] techrights-bot #Bitmapflow helps artists generate inbetweens for animated sprites https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/bitmapflow-helps-artists-generate-inbetweens-for-animated-sprites it is #freesw [03:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bitmapflow helps artists generate inbetweens for animated sprites | GamingOnLinux [03:10] techrights-bot "I did some initial testing quite some months ago for the developer, to ensure their standalone #GNU #Linux builds were working correctly and it seems to hold up nicely in this release." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/retro-commander-is-a-q4x-post-apocalyptic-rtsq-that-now-has-an-alpha-available [03:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Retro Commander is a "4X post-apocalyptic RTS" that now has an Alpha available | GamingOnLinux [03:12] techrights-bot "Ten years ago I began the olduse.net exhibit, spooling out Usenet history in real time with a 30 year delay. My archive has reached its end, and ten years is more than long enough to keep running something you cobbled together overnight way back when. So, this is the end for olduse.net." http://joeyh.name/blog/entry/the_end_of_the_olduse.net_exhibit/ [03:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joeyh.name | the end of the olduse.net exhibit [03:17] techrights-bot #PCLinuxOS Latest http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147392#comment-29785 [03:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Distribution Release: PCLinuxOS 2021.02 | Tux Machines [03:19] techrights-bot #KDE Plasma 5.22 Faster For #NVIDIA + #Wayland, More Crash Fixes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151725#comment-29786 [03:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This week in KDE: performance improvements galore | Tux Machines [03:20] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 27.75 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 35.56 swarm size (avg): 234.27 [03:21] techrights-bot #Games : Bitmapflow, Retro Commander, and Valve http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151738 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #gaming [03:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Bitmapflow, Retro Commander, and Valve | Tux Machines [03:27] techrights-bot Is #Gentoo Linux an anachronism? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151739 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [03:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Is Gentoo Linux an anachronism? | Tux Machines [03:28] *phobos (~username@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724) has joined #techrights [03:29] techrights-bot #ALTLinux 9.1 "Simply" is out. #gnu #linux #russia https://en.altlinux.org/Simply_Linux_9#9.1 [03:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.altlinux.org | Simply Linux 9 - ALT Linux Wiki [03:32] Ariadne i'll turn it on [03:33] *kaniini has quit (Quit: yawn) [03:33] techrights-bot " #Bootlin has been offering for several years a Buildroot system development course, which allows engineers interested in learning and understanding the Buildroot embedded Linux build system to get up to speed very quickly." https://bootlin.com/blog/bootlin-buildroot-system-development-course-updated-to-buildroot-2021-02/ [03:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bootlin "Buildroot system development" course updated to Buildroot 2021.02 - Bootlin's blog [03:35] techrights-bot Hardware assisted root of trust mechanism and coreboot internals https://9esec.io/blog/hardware-assisted-root-of-trust-mechanism-and-coreboot-internals/ #corebot [03:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-9esec.io | Hardware assisted root of trust mechanism and coreboot internals [03:40] *IroncladCorona has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [03:41] *saint_dogbert (~username@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724) has joined #techrights [03:44] *phobos has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [03:45] *sepsinn (~sepsinn@2601:140:887f:bad0::3aee) has joined #techrights [03:46] techrights-bot #Slashdot joins #Microsoft #greenwashing propaganda in 'Linux' clothing http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151593#comment-29787 sickening and maddening. This is #corruption of the Linux brand [03:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Foundation Working for Microsoft and GitHub Now | Tux Machines [03:47] MinceR thx [03:51] *saint_dogbert has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) ● May 30 [04:00] *stormchaser3000 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [04:18] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 29.56 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 21.63 swarm size (avg): 234.36 ● May 30 [05:09] *asusbox2 (~rianne@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9982:d359:4565:f501) has joined #techrights [05:09] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [05:10] *asusbox has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [05:17] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 53.30 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 67.96 swarm size (avg): 234.41 [05:26] *techrights-ipfs has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [05:31] *techrights-ipfs (~techright@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:c7f2:e919:b6dc:6252) has joined #techrights ● May 30 [06:17] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 25.40 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 30.38 swarm size (avg): 234.46 [06:38] *rbraun (IxRfmUF5@gateway/shell/club.cc.cmu.edu/x-qjlmsaxaofyyxnvp) has joined #techrights ● May 30 [07:15] tessier What is that ipfs thing? [07:17] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 28.45 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 26.88 swarm size (avg): 234.52 [07:34] tessier IPFS has been around for 6 years and hasn't gotten much traction yet? [07:35] tessier The past few years of personal distractions have put me so far behind. :( [07:41] techrights-bot #Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, May 29, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [07:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [07:41] techrights-bot #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [07:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [07:55] schestowitz techrights-bot: it helps distribute site content in a p2p fashion, there are many nodes now, I think hundreds of thousands [07:56] schestowitz tessier: ^ [07:56] schestowitz__ :-D [07:57] schestowitz__ today I'll code some stuff to make the logging work right ● May 30 [08:00] techrights-bot Gemini reverse proxy https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006592.html #nginx #geminiprotocol #internet [08:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [tech] Gemini reverse proxy [08:01] techrights-bot NEWS #uniToronto Less can filter what it shows to you (a thing I recently learned) https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/sysadmin/LessFilteringLines [08:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-utcc.utoronto.ca | Chris's Wiki :: blog/sysadmin/LessFilteringLines [08:02] techrights-bot NEWS #MeshedInsights #Licensing Dont Call It Relicensing! https://meshedinsights.com/2021/05/27/dont-call-it-relicensing/ [08:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meshedinsights.com | Dont Call It Relicensing! | Meshed Insights Ltd [08:02] techrights-bot NEWS #TimesHigherEducation #OpenAccess Academics must become more engaged in the open access struggle https://www.timeshighereducation.com/blog/academics-must-become-more-engaged-open-access-struggle [08:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.timeshighereducation.com | Academics must become more engaged in the open access struggle | Times Higher Education (THE) [08:03] techrights-bot NEWS #FunctionalProgramming #Programming Patterns in Functional Programming https://patternsinfp.wordpress.com/2021/05/10/the-genuine-sieve-of-eratosthenes/ [08:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patternsinfp.wordpress.com | The Genuine Sieve of Eratosthenes | Patterns in Functional Programming [08:05] techrights-bot Simple ways to do a service discovery in Linux | FOSS Linux https://www.fosslinux.com/46763/service-discovery-linux.htm #fosslinux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/30/#latest [08:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslinux.com | Simple ways to do a service discovery in Linux | FOSS Linux [08:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [08:06] techrights-bot NEWS #TheVerge US soldiers reportedly leaked nuclear info online accidentally, by using flashcard apps https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/29/22459869/us-soldiers-leaked-nuclear-info-online-flashcard-apps [08:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | US soldiers reportedly leaked nuclear info online accidentally, by using flashcard apps - The Verge [08:06] techrights-bot NEWS #Vice U.S. Military Personnel Spilled Nuclear Secrets in Online Flashcards https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7ebmd/us-military-personnel-spilled-nuclear-secrets-in-online-flashcards [08:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vice.com | U.S. Military Personnel Spilled Nuclear Secrets in Online Flashcards [08:07] techrights-bot NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #Nintendo Wins $2.1 Million Judgment Against Pirate Site Operator https://torrentfreak.com/nintendo-wins-2-1-million-judgment-against-pirate-site-operator-210529/ [08:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nintendo Wins $2.1 Million Judgment Against Pirate Site Operator * TorrentFreak [08:16] techrights-bot #billgates has long bribed NPR. Now #microsoft does the same! "Editor's Note: Both Microsoft and Constant Contact are financial supporters of NPR." https://text.npr.org/1001367629 iophk: Microsoft is not an authority on secure design nor incidence response [08:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | What Microsoft Officials Know About Russia's Phishing Hack Targeting USAID [08:17] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 28.81 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 33.01 swarm size (avg): 234.58 [08:17] techrights-bot At least there's more honesty now about #microsoft bribing the media. And now just through ads. #npr = bought, compromised. [08:18] techrights-bot NEWS #KrebsOnSecurity #Security Using Fake Reviews to Find Dangerous Extensions https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/05/using-fake-reviews-to-find-dangerous-extensions/ [08:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krebsonsecurity.com | Using Fake Reviews to Find Dangerous Extensions Krebs on Security [08:20] techrights-bot #sweden 'sold' to tax evader #microsoft https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=da&u=https://www.version2.dk/artikel/skat-forsvarer-brug-teams-paahviler-enkelte-medarbejder-at-behandle-oplysninger-sikkert?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=www.version2.dk see #epo also http://techrights.org/2021/03/22/epoleaks-report-march-2021-finale/ [08:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-translate.google.com | Google Translate [08:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Summing Up: EPO Administrative Council Still Asleep at the Wheel | Techrights [08:23] techrights-bot NEWS #CNBC #Privacy #Surveillance #Tesla starts using cabin cameras to make sure drivers are paying attention https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/28/tesla-starts-using-cabin-cameras-for-driver-monitoring.html [08:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Tesla starts using cabin cameras for driver monitoring [08:23] techrights-bot NEWS #DigitalMusicNews #Privacy #Surveillance Is #TikTok Safe for Kids? European Commission Investigating Violations of Child Protection Laws https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2021/05/28/tiktok-safe-for-kids-european-commission/ [08:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2021/05/28/tiktok-safe-for-kids-european-commission/ ) [08:24] techrights-bot NEWS #PrivacyInternational #Privacy #Surveillance In conversation with Edward @Snowden https://privacyinternational.org/video/4519/conversation-edward-snowden [08:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-privacyinternational.org | In conversation with Edward Snowden | Privacy International [08:29] techrights-bot #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151740 #Linux #TuxMachines [08:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [08:35] *acer-box (~acer-box@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [08:35] schestowitz__ this is the machine I use to see changes in IRC, will add the backup logger now (in case of reboots etc.) [08:38] *rianne__ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [08:38] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [08:41] *libertybox (~schestowitz_log@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [08:41] schestowitz__ the logger [08:41] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Always read both sides of the story - http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/lee-side.pdf) [08:42] techrights-bot NEWS #NewYorkTimes #Energy A Big #Climate Problem With Few Easy Solutions: Planes https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/28/business/energy-environment/airlines-climate-planes-emissions.html [08:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Flying and Climate: Airlines Under Pressure to Cut Emissions - The New York Times ● May 30 [09:12] techrights-bot NEWS #TheVerge #Monopolies Why on Earth did #Amazon spend $8 billion on a zombie studio? https://www.theverge.com/22458734/amazon-mgm-8-billion-prime-video-streaming [09:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Amazons $8 billion bet on MGM wont make Prime Video the new Netflix - The Verge [09:12] techrights-bot NEWS #Inkl #Monopolies #Amazon had sales income of 44bn in Europe in 2020 but paid no corporation tax https://www.inkl.com/news/amazon-had-sales-income-of-44bn-in-europe-in-2020-but-paid-no-corporation-tax [09:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-inkl - Amazon had sales income of 44bn in Europe in 2020 but paid no corporation tax - The Guardian - UK [09:14] techrights-bot #richardStallman #RMS is giving a talk tomorrow. 8:00pm So Paulo, Brazil (BRT) https://stallman.org/live/ #gnu #fsf #freesw [09:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Live de Segunda #80 - Uma conversa com Richard Stallman - May 31, 2021 [09:17] techrights-bot #manchesterCity #ChampionsLeague http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Sixth-Wedding-Anniversary/Champions-League [09:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Champions League [09:17] techrights-bot NEWS #DigitalMusicNews #Copyrights #Copyright Robert Plant Wants His Personal Archives Released for Free After His Death https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2021/05/27/robert-plant-personal-archives/ [09:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2021/05/27/robert-plant-personal-archives/ ) [09:17] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.20 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 55.68 swarm size (avg): 234.62 [09:26] techrights-bot NEWS #TruthOut #patents #patent #monopolies The #WorldTradeOrganization Is Threatening Vaccine Equity and Climate Goals https://truthout.org/articles/the-world-trade-organization-is-threatening-vaccine-equity-and-climate-goals/ [09:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | The World Trade Organization Is Threatening Vaccine Equity and Climate Goals [09:27] techrights-bot Unregulated #Cryptocurrency Bubble Could Send the Economy Into a Tailspin https://truthout.org/articles/unregulated-cryptocurrency-bubble-could-send-the-economy-into-a-tailspin/ hahahaha! As if banks were ever truly regulated!!!!! And look how they keep crashing economies... for profits and bonuses [09:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Unregulated Cryptocurrency Bubble Could Send the Economy Into a Tailspin [09:46] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [09:46] *asusbox (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● May 30 [10:01] *rianne has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [10:01] *liberty_box has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [10:02] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [10:03] *liberty_box has quit (Client Quit) [10:04] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [10:04] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [10:05] *liberty_box has quit (Client Quit) [10:05] *liberty_box has quit (Quit: Leaving) [10:06] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [10:08] *rianne has quit (Client Quit) [10:08] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [10:08] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [10:08] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [10:09] schestowitz__ rianne is also on the network now [10:15] schestowitz__ MinceR: now both networks log to the corresponding files [10:16] schestowitz MinceR: ignore ( freenode test ) [10:16] schestowitz__ /.xchat2/xchatlogs$ tail -n 10 FreeNode-#techrights.log | grep Mince [10:16] schestowitz__ May 30 10:15:09 MinceR: now both networks log to the corresponding files [10:16] schestowitz__ May 30 10:16:20 MinceR: ignore ( freenode test ) [10:23] *mmu_man (~revol@82-65-227-82.subs.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [10:25] schestowitz MinceR: now there is duality [10:25] *lavendereyes has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [10:25] schestowitz best of both worlds [10:25] schestowitz freenode+self-hosted [10:25] *lavendereyes (~lavendere@gateway/tor-sasl/lavendereyes) has joined #techrights [10:26] schestowitz +matrix bridge [10:26] schestowitz that way [10:26] schestowitz +kiwi (irc) etc. [10:28] *x (~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) has joined #techrights [10:28] *x is now known as kingoffrance [10:33] schestowitz__ hi kingoffrance [10:33] kingoffrance o/ [10:33] schestowitz__ I am doing tests today [10:33] schestowitz__ we got past the fusion barriers [10:34] schestowitz__ now it's the case that no single network being offline would disrupt communications [10:36] kingoffrance yeah, if its bridged i might just away in here, but nice to have no single point of failure [10:39] kn\ hi [10:39] kn\ is there anything I can help with [10:40] schestowitz__ this is also troll-free [10:40] schestowitz__ for now.. [10:40] schestowitz__ the s/n ratio was not good in the main channel [10:41] schestowitz seems like IRC is maturing now [10:43] schestowitz I hope that the work on bridging across network would progress, to improve decentralisation [10:43] schestowitz would be a better IRC selling point then selling companies, "get off slack, go to this other private network instead" [10:44] schestowitz there must be hundreds of millions of users on those proprietary messaging systems [10:51] *schestowitz has quit (Quit: Konversation term) [10:51] *schestowitz__ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [10:51] *schestowitz (~roy@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [10:51] *irc.techrights.org sets mode +q #techrights schestowitz [10:52] *schestowitz (~schestowi@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9e47:addf:5b42:cd6d) has joined #techrights [10:52] *schestowitz has quit (Changing host) [10:52] *schestowitz (~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [10:57] techrights-bot #freesw #dk #denmark https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=da&u=https://www.version2.dk/blog/nyt-iso-9000-foss-projekter-1092693?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=www.version2.dk [10:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-translate.google.com | Google Translate [10:58] techrights-bot #JURI / Committee on Legal Affairs https://multimedia.europarl.europa.eu/en/committee-on-legal-affairs_20210527-0900-COMMITTEE-JURI_vd?start=20210527082103&end=20210527092114 recent: http://techrights.org/2021/04/12/lying-to-juri/ [10:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-multimedia.europarl.europa.eu | Committee on Legal Affairs - Multimedia Centre [10:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO President Campinos Lying to JURI | Techrights ● May 30 [11:00] techrights-bot "Bloomberg today released a report on how companies like #Apple, #Microsoft, #Amazon and #Google are working together to" kill the planet with pollution just to protect their revenues and screw the public at large, not just the planet https://gruene.social/@norbert/106317304902632073 [11:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Norbert Tretkowski: ""Bloomberg today released a report on how compani" - gruene.social [11:01] techrights-bot "Just published Google lawsuit evidence indicates that like always retained users' location data, even if disabled in user interface, to the extent that its own employees flashed LineageOS on their phones to avoid tracking." https://social.privacytools.io/@kravietz/106315132325241325 [11:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-social.privacytools.io | kravietz : "Just published Google lawsuit evidence indicates " - Mastodon privacytools.io [11:03] techrights-bot "Today on Twitter Cant Count: Twitter ended up following two more people for me. One of whom had no followers while I was apparently following them. These are the systems folks trust to filter reality for them, eh?" https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/106319508069203805 http://techrights.org/2021/02/05/twitter-censorship-bingo/ [11:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.ar.al | Aral Balkan: "Today on Twitter Cant Count: Twitter ended up fo" - Arals Mastodon [11:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Twitter Has Just Suspended the President of FFII for Naming Bill Gates Patent Profiteering and Factual Information About Twitter Censorship (Updated) | Techrights [11:04] techrights-bot "First of all, your social media apps are not listening to you. This is a conspiracy theory. It's been debunked over and over again. But frankly they don't need to because everything else you give them unthinkingly is way cheaper and way more powerful." https://nitter.fdn.fr/RobertGReeve/status/1397038375840985089 [11:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.fdn.fr | Robert G. Reeve (@RobertGReeve): "So. They know my mom's toothpaste. They know I was at my mom's. They know my Twitter. Now I get Twitter ads for mom's toothpaste. Your data isn't just about you. It's about how it can be used against every person you know, and people you don't. To shape behavior unconsciously." | FDNitter [11:05] techrights-bot Linux is about freedom. Its about the little guy sticking it to the big guy. Meanwhile, The Linux Foundation board of directorshttps://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/106312430968741972 see http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation LF is NOT freedom. Linux is NOT, either. http://techrights.org/2020/11/09/thomas-grzybowski-on-freesw/ [11:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.ar.al | Aral Balkan: "Linux is about freedom. Its about the little gu" - Arals Mastodon [11:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights [11:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Free Software Freedom is Not Linux | Techrights [11:09] *mew (~mew@46.49.50.145) has joined #techrights [11:11] techrights-bot Configuring #Vim as a Writing Tool - It's FOSS News https://news.itsfoss.com/configuring-vim-writing/ #news | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/30/#latest [11:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.itsfoss.com | Configuring Vim as a Writing Tool - It's FOSS News [11:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [11:15] techrights-bot #Bottles on #GNU #Linux to run Windows Applications- A GUI interface for Wine https://www.how2shout.com/linux/bottles-on-linux-to-run-windows-applications-a-gui-interface-for-wine/ #how2shout | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/30/#latest [11:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.how2shout.com | Bottles on Linux to run Windows Applications- A GUI interface for Wine [11:17] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 25.81 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 24.35 swarm size (avg): 234.66 [11:18] techrights-bot "Realistically, the external members should be in a majority so that they can outvote the career-minded EPO employees." http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/breaking-oral-proceedings-in-g121-vico.html?showComment=1622315421458#c3346789824740258230 see http://techrights.org/2021/05/29/antonio-campinos-needs-to-step-down/ [11:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: Oral proceedings in G1/21 (ViCo) rescheduled due to procedural technicality - The IPKat [11:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | President of the Boards of Appeal and His Handler Antnio Campinos Need to Step Down to Save the EPO | Techrights [11:19] techrights-bot "What is at stake in G 1/21 is no more than an EPO 2.0 which is not covered by the EPC as it stands! It is not merely whether you can sit comfortably in your UK office when there is an OP, but it is about a total reshaping of the EPO." I.e. it's about whether #epo can break ALL laws and GET AWAY with it. http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/breaking-oral-proceedings-in-g121-vico.html?showComment=1622317758784#c3045583 [11:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: Oral proceedings in G1/21 (ViCo) rescheduled due to procedural technicality - The IPKat [11:21] techrights-bot #IRC Proceedings: Saturday, May 29, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/05/30/irc-log-290521/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/30/irc-log-290521/ [11:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, May 29, 2021 | Techrights [11:22] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151741 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [11:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [11:36] techrights-bot Today's project: we consider making a multi-machine (several locations worldwide) gemini capsule, where one DNS entry branches off to several entries, with instances or mirrors well distributed for resilience (HA), as it might make #techrights the world's first clustered gemini capsule, not just the biggest one [11:38] techrights-bot ...We've moreover engineered #techrights IRC to avoid "single point of failure"; if one network has downtime we're still live and partly self-hosted. Just partly. #IRC deserves mass appeal; we need to replace crap like Slack, M'Sloth Teams, and other #surveillanceCapitalism bloat/IRC copycats. [11:40] techrights-bot When it comes to videos/audio (multimedia in general) #techrights has been self-hosting since 2006, so we never lost anything. Nothing got censored, either. http://techrights.org/videos.html [11:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full Videos Listing [11:41] techrights-bot #EPO nets BILLIONS of euros and cannot even afford to hire a couple of engineers to build/maintain its infra for ~7000 workers? To the point of outsourcing everything to a foreign country and to #Microsoft h How many bribes were received and who pocketed those? #kickbacks #corruption #gdpr http://techrights.org/2021/03/22/epoleaks-report-march-2021-finale/ [11:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Summing Up: EPO Administrative Council Still Asleep at the Wheel | Techrights [11:47] techrights-bot "By giving the majority in the EBA to external members, some people, names need not be given, would loose control of the EBA/BA as the external members most probably do not care about not being re-appointed." #epo #corruption #injustice #kangaroocourts http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/breaking-oral-proceedings-in-g121-vico.html?showComment=1622365768648#c6470883968457747269 [11:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: Oral proceedings in G1/21 (ViCo) rescheduled due to procedural technicality - The IPKat [11:49] techrights-bot Cult members would quque up for a week! https://www.phonearena.com/news/Mysterious-Apple-Ring-patent-appears_id130671 #apple #patents #cult #NotSatire #ButFunny [11:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mysterious Apple Ring patent appears - PhoneArena [11:49] techrights-bot Cult members would queue up for a week! https://www.phonearena.com/news/Mysterious-Apple-Ring-patent-appears_id130671 #apple #patents #cult #NotSatire #ButFunny [11:50] techrights-bot "When one sees the number of patents revoked or severely limited in opposition because the grant procedure is flawed, it becomes alarming. Just look at the published decisions and draw your conclusions. As only 5% of patents are opposed, when you extrapolate to all the grants it is daunting!" #epo #fakepatents http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/breaking-oral-proceedings-in-g121-vico.html?showComment=1622365768648#c6 [11:52] techrights-bot "It is a scandal that members of the BA can only be reappointed if they have shown a given "performance". The criteria are still non-public.This is also scandalous!" http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/breaking-oral-proceedings-in-g121-vico.html?showComment=1622365768648#c6470883968457747269 see http://techrights.org/2021/05/26/outline-g121-and-beyond/ [11:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Outline of Recent EPO Series: Kangaroo Courts, German Government Complicity, and Gross Privacy Violations by Unaccountable Officials | Techrights [11:58] techrights-bot What a ripoff! You'd be better off assembling an array of low-cost and low-powered machines, pertinent units connected for maybe a tenth the cost. https://www.kotaku.com.au/2021/05/you-are-nothing-compared-to-this-30000-goliath-pc/ [11:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kotaku.com.au | You Are Nothing Compared To This $30,000 PC [11:59] techrights-bot No! #SUSE is NOT "free software distributor" but a #proprietarysoftware reseller that uses its platform for #openwashing of things https://techhq.com/2021/04/suse-the-free-software-distributor-worth-e7bn/ see for example http://techrights.org/2020/08/05/suse-is-still-helping-microsoft/ [11:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Meet the free software distributor that is worth 7bn - TechHQ [11:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | SUSE is Still Pushing Microsoft Proprietary Software and Bragging About the Novell Patent Collusion With Microsoft | Techrights ● May 30 [12:00] *kn\ has quit (Quit: Leaving) [12:00] *mew has quit (connection closed) [12:04] techrights-bot Alleged #HarmonyOS update list reveals first batch of #Huawei devices migrating to the platform http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151611#comment-29788 [12:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | HarmonyOS is now been confirmed to launch in early June | Tux Machines [12:05] techrights-bot #ProprietarySoftware #microsoft #windows #ransom #insecureByDesign https://www.tacomadailyindex.com/blog/ransomware-and-hacking/2450314/ [12:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tacomadailyindex.com | Ransomware and hacking | Tacoma Daily Index [12:06] techrights-bot #HeyHi #censorship #facebook https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/05/28/facebook-palestinian-censorship/ [12:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | Palestinian groups decry glitches by social media companies/claim long history of censorship by social media companies - The Washington Post [12:08] techrights-bot In 2021 "HEY HI" just means "computer" or "program" or something with 'logic' in it https://www.fastcompany.com/90641049/google-education-classroom-ai [12:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fastcompany.com | Google's AI plans make its education dominance more alarming [12:09] techrights-bot #BetaNews got the #IRC story all wrong, as usual. Clickbait instead of information. [12:11] techrights-bot Amazing if #google can get VOLUNTEERS to be unpaid testers for #ProprietarySoftware that spies on people and helps Google monopolise the Web... https://www.androidpolice.com/2021/05/28/chrome-labs-makes-it-easy-to-try-out-upcoming-browser-features/ [12:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpolice.com | Chrome Labs makes it easy to try out upcoming browser features [12:13] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:13] alextee[m] https://www.notebookcheck.net/Fancy-the-2021-M1-iPad-Pro-with-8-GB-or-16-GB-RAM-Current-iPadOS-limits-potential-by-allowing-just-5-GB-memory-for-third-party-apps.541367.0.html [12:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fancy the 2021 M1 iPad Pro with 8 GB or 16 GB RAM? Current iPadOS limits potential by allowing just 5 GB memory for third-party apps - NotebookCheck.net News [12:13] techrights-bot Outsourcing to #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware and to #NSA PRISM. Yay. Let THAT inspire confidence :-) https://www.techradar.com/in/news/have-i-been-pwned-is-now-open-source [12:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Have I Been Pwned is now open source | TechRadar [12:14] schestowitz alextee[m]: lol [12:14] schestowitz bloatfest [12:14] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [12:14] schestowitz my gemini browsers are like 2 MB of RAM [12:15] schestowitz IRC maybe 8MB [12:15] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [12:15] alextee[m] audio/video editing apps may actually need more than 5GB if you're doing anything serious [12:15] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [12:15] alextee[m] not sure if anyone expects to do serious work on iPad though [12:15] schestowitz exactly [12:15] schestowitz video processing is usually the caveat [12:16] schestowitz but few who buy those things will process 50,000 frames [12:16] schestowitz some will just browser a web site and sent email [12:16] alextee[m] I can see 5GB getting filled by the browser lol [12:16] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [12:17] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [12:17] schestowitz because of the second tab of Slack or something [12:17] schestowitz "did you say 5MB of RAM?" [12:17] schestowitz "no I said GB" [12:17] alextee[m] yeah any javascript in-browser app basically [12:18] schestowitz OK, chat takes 22mb at the moment [12:18] schestowitz on 10+ channels [12:18] schestowitz and long long scrollback [12:18] schestowitz we need to push simple and light [12:18] schestowitz no "home-phoning" [12:19] schestowitz but the question is, how can we explain that without the multi-billion marketing budgets? [12:19] *alextee[m] uploaded an image: (254KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/YNbsbkZaJZpqnYWvbqwwJptS/Screenshot%20from%202021-05-30%2012-18-55.png > [12:19] schestowitz that are derived from selling people's minds, mining their data [12:19] alextee[m] not sure how to read this [12:19] schestowitz seems like child processes, alextee[m] [12:20] schestowitz put it in tree mode [12:20] alextee[m] oooooh this is neat!! [12:20] XRevan86 alextee[m]: Seems like ye got Fission [12:20] schestowitz pstree [12:21] schestowitz or: # ps -aef --forest [12:21] schestowitz roy 18483 18482 0 May15 ? 00:08:15 \_ konsole --fullscreen -e /home/roy/menu.sh [12:21] alextee[m] nice, TIL [12:21] schestowitz roy 18487 18483 0 May15 pts/18 00:00:00 \_ /bin/bash /home/roy/menu.sh [12:21] schestowitz roy 18494 18487 1 May15 pts/18 03:55:52 \_ konqueror https://joindiaspora.com/mentions [12:21] schestowitz roy 18512 18494 0 May15 pts/18 00:00:00 \_ /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/libexec/QtWebEngineProcess --type=zygote --lang=en-GB [12:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-JoinDiaspora* - Sign in [12:21] schestowitz roy 18574 18512 5 May15 pts/18 21:47:01 \_ /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/libexec/QtWebEngineProcess --type=renderer --disable-gpu-memory-buffer-video-fram [12:21] schestowitz to gibe an example [12:21] schestowitz *give [12:21] *DVulgaris has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [12:22] schestowitz different processes, but all tied together [12:22] XRevan86 alextee[m]: https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2021/05/18/introducing-site-isolation-in-firefox/ [12:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Introducing Site Isolation in Firefox - Mozilla Security Blog [12:22] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:22] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [12:23] alextee[m] XRevan86: that sounds really good, separating the processes [12:24] alextee[m] are there any drawbacks to using fission? XRevan86 [12:24] XRevan86 alextee[m]: memory overhead, as usual [12:24] techrights-bot Outsourced to #Microsoft #monopoly that is #proprietarysoftware cage (in effect) https://venturebeat.com/2021/05/28/password-breach-service-have-i-been-pwned-goes-open-source/ [12:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Password breach service Have I Been Pwned goes open source | VentureBeat [12:26] techrights-bot "This list will mostly include common software that Github hosts. It may or may not be possible or desirable to boycott all projects that continue to develop and host with Github-- this list is for people who want to take Microsoft's control of repos into consideration when choosing what software to rely on." http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github [12:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights [12:27] alextee[m] i personally just keep mirrors on github and redirect people outside to report bugs or send patches [12:27] alextee[m] some people use the github sponsors thing so that's another incentive to keep it for me [12:27] techrights-bot #Certbot also needs to #deletegithub ... it's NOT suitable hosting for #privacy and #security projects because #microsoft = NSA PRISM and more (worse programs not leaked yet) https://www.eff.org/pages/certbot [12:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Certbot | Electronic Frontier Foundation [12:30] techrights-bot What next in the tussle between government and #socialcontrolmedia firms? https://thefederal.com/opinion/what-next-in-the-tussle-between-government-and-digital-media-firms/ And why the very freedom of expression in India is at stake [12:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thefederal.com | What next in the tussle between government and social media firms? - The Federal [12:34] *DVulgaris (~quassel@2a00:7c40:c2d0:199:9ff4:1561:725e:617c) has joined #techrights [12:35] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:36] techrights-bot 'Facebook recently adopted a new controversial privacy policy for WhatsApp. Under it, the country would not track the personal messages of WhatsApp users, but would track the messages on commercial transactions and use the collected personal data for advertisement purposes." https://thefederal.com/opinion/what-next-in-the-tussle-between-government-and-digital-media-firms/ [12:36] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [12:36] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [12:37] techrights-bot #Facebook battles reputation crisis in the #MiddleEast https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/facebook-battles-reputation-crisis-middle-east-n1269026 #nbcnews #zuckerPAC | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/30/#latest [12:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | Facebook battles reputation crisis in the Middle East [12:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [12:40] schestowitz different processes, but all tied together[12:27] some people use the github sponsors thing so that's another incentive to keep it for me [12:40] schestowitz Microsoft as a bank [12:40] schestowitz and financial gatekeeper over Free software [12:40] schestowitz to me, collectively it's a risk [12:40] *phobos (~username@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724) has joined #techrights [12:40] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [12:40] schestowitz we are letting them get their way: http://techrights.org/2020/06/15/confessions-of-scott-guthrie/ [12:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Story About Microsofts Plan for GitHub Says a Lot About the Motivations and the Lies Told to Us for Over Half a Decade | Techrights [12:40] schestowitz they try to control their competition [12:41] schestowitz frankly, I think they fell behind [12:41] schestowitz like with Skype and LinkedIn [12:41] schestowitz most people went elsewhere [12:41] schestowitz some stayed...for a while [12:41] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/01/24/fleeing-github/ [12:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: The Year After We Bought GitHub There Was a Significant Decline in Number of New Projects on GitHub | Techrights [12:41] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [12:42] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [12:44] techrights-bot This could be the most powerful #GNU #Linux laptop yet http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151387#comment-29789 #de #germany [12:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | TUXEDOs Latest Linux Laptop is All About the Screen | Tux Machines [12:46] techrights-bot Trolls as tyrants. And media even entertains their obvious TROLLING. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-belarus-politics-email-idUSKCN2D81HN [12:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bomb threat cited by Belarus was sent after plane was diverted - Swiss email provider | Reuters [12:48] alextee[m] I'm not naive enough to have it as an only/main donation option but yeah a lot of people use it as their main donation source and that's just giving up more control to microsoft [12:48] techrights-bot #microsoft is not compatible with the #law either. It needs to go bankrupt https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/were-just-not-compatible-any-more-why-microsoft-finally-dumped-internet-explorer-9664771.html see http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/ [12:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Were just not compatible any more: why Microsoft finally dumped Internet Explorer- Technology News, Firstpost [12:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and Slush Funds | Techrights [12:48] *saint_dogbert (~username@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724) has joined #techrights [12:49] *Techrights-sec2 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [12:49] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:49] *Techrights-sec (~quassel@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9ed2:1eff:feb6:a8e1) has joined #techrights [12:49] *libertybox has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [12:50] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [12:51] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [12:51] techrights-bot #Fuchsia is just OSPS like Chrom* and we need to mostly shun it. It's not for us, it's just for #google #monopoly https://www.infoq.com/news/2021/05/google-fuchsia-net-hub/ [12:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoq.com | Google Fuchsia Debuts on the Google Nest Hub [12:52] *phobos has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [12:53] techrights-bot I see some 'articles' with totally fabricated (make believe!) history and revisionist nonsense about #microsoft but I suppose it should be expected in the era of #corruptMedia (PR in 'news' clothing, for a fee) [12:57] techrights-bot OUCH OUCH OUCH! Birmingham University calls a college after "Thomas J. Watson" https://www.binghamton.edu/news/story/3082/computer-science-department-celebrates-research-new-faculty-for-2020-21 don't pay tribute to Nazis: http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/ibm-germany-history/ [12:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.binghamton.edu | Computer Science Department celebrates research, new faculty for 2020-21 | Binghamton News [12:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Documentary: IBM Founder (Watson) Gave a Nazi Salute, Admired Hitler, Said Hitler Was Doing the Right Thing | Techrights ● May 30 [13:00] saint_dogbert Honestly, anyone thats studied the events leading up to WW2 isn't surprised by that... many companies supported Germany. Some even played both sides against the middle and laughed all the way to the bank [13:01] techrights-bot Significant Progress in Testing of Fully Decentralized IOTA Announced https://beincrypto.com/progress-in-fully-decentralized-iota-announced/ [13:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Significant Progress in Testing of 'Fully Decentralized' IOTA Announced - BeInCrypto [13:01] *libertybox (~schestowi@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9ed2:1eff:feb6:a8e1) has joined #techrights [13:04] techrights-bot "The Central IP Service of the European Commission has published a vacancy for a "Legal officer - Intellectual Property"" (basically a misleading propaganda term) http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/sunday-surprises_30.html #EuropeanCommission on #patents : http://techrights.org/2020/12/01/the-breton-coverup/ [13:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Sunday Surprises - The IPKat [13:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | European Commissions Thierry Breton Covers Up EPO Corruption For His Friend Benot Battistelli | Techrights [13:04] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [13:04] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [13:05] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [13:05] techrights-bot #Patents Accessibility Review identifies barriers to small inventors https://www.industry.gov.au/news/patents-accessibility-review-identifies-barriers-to-small-inventors the system needs to be overhauled, redone [13:08] *TechrightsBot-tr has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [13:08] techrights-bot Time traveller Cory @Doctorow sends his wishes from utopian 2041! https://fsfe.org/news/2021/news-20210529-01.en.html [13:10] techrights-bot #deletegithub though; NSA and #microsoft do NOT inspire TRUST https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Patatt-Attestation [13:13] *TechrightsBot-tr (~TR@techrights.org) has joined #techrights [13:13] TechrightsBot-tr Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 [13:14] techrights-bot Plant told his co-host Matt Everitt that the lockdown gave him time to put his house in order. https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2021/05/27/robert-plant-personal-archives/ [13:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2021/05/27/robert-plant-personal-archives/ ) [13:16] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 27.98 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 35.91 swarm size (avg): 234.72 [13:17] techrights-bot When the #linuxfoundation (LF) promotes #microsoft #proprietarySoftware , as it nowadays does, it's really hurtful to those of us who encouraged people to use "LINUX" (and used that word) and moreover it harms the advocacy of ours that explained how Microsoft attacks us. LF now takes Microsoft bribes to INVERT the truth. [13:19] techrights-bot What #microsoft did to #netscape ... before what Microsoft did to #corruptMedia ... in effect bribing it to relay a totally fictional, BOGUS versions of history about this http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=Petition_text_-_overview [13:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Petition text - overview - Techrights [13:27] saint_dogbert I won't be donating to the Linux foundation again. [13:29] *techrights-ipfs has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [13:30] schestowitz saint_dogbert: did you ever? [13:30] schestowitz they scam people [13:30] schestowitz they say it goes to diversity program [13:30] schestowitz a lady reader of ours investigated [13:30] schestowitz her findings: http://techrights.org/2019/03/26/lf-define-support/ [13:30] saint_dogbert When it first started up, yeah. I thought it was a worthwhile thing. But when they allowed MS on the board, I stopped. [13:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Guest Post: The Linux Foundation Needs to Define Support | Techrights [13:31] schestowitz only in 2016? [13:31] schestowitz They showed creaks and rot even prior to it [13:31] schestowitz 2007 onwards: http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation_Archives [13:31] schestowitz 2019 onwards: http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation [13:32] schestowitz we are under attack bebecause we win over [13:32] schestowitz that will intensify as more freesw takes over all infra [13:32] schestowitz and then they try to monopolise it [13:32] *windowshasyou (~username@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724) has joined #techrights [13:32] *windowshasyou is now known as phobos [13:32] phobos Boy did that sure change when Hillary ran for president. [13:32] schestowitz they already put torvalds in heir small pocket [13:33] schestowitz flexed their muscles at him [13:33] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/sexism-misrepresentation/ [13:33] phobos Doesn't surprise me now. Back then, it would have been a shock [13:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Archives - Techrights [13:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights [13:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | They Tell Us Linus Torvalds is Sexist But Evidence Suggests Otherwise | Techrights [13:33] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/09/03/linus-debconf-linusgate/ [13:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linusgate Leaked: Over 250 Messages About Code of Conduct Complaints Against Linus Torvalds | Techrights [13:34] schestowitz they get peopke riles up against good people [13:34] phobos Just like the media did against Trump? [13:34] schestowitz by interjecting what's known as "identity politics" [13:34] schestowitz superficial tribalism [13:34] schestowitz the British did that too [13:34] schestowitz sectarian wars [13:34] phobos And the Russians [13:34] schestowitz Trump is a shit person [13:35] schestowitz he always was [13:35] phobos and Mao during the 'awakening' back in the 60s [13:35] schestowitz the media took advantage of that [13:35] *alextee[m] uploaded an image: (120KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/buYHMhsSRJmlBMgNMpehsnWE/Screenshot%20from%202021-05-30%2013-34-58.png > [13:35] *saint_dogbert has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [13:35] phobos Not to defend Trump, but the Clintons weren't any better, yet all the media did was clam up about them [13:36] schestowitz Clinton is also shit [13:36] schestowitz both of them [13:36] phobos :D [13:36] alextee[m] the trump tweets were fun though [13:36] alextee[m] I miss him [13:36] schestowitz [11:09] NEWS #CommonDreams Rights Groups Warn #Biden Fast-Tracking Asylum Cases Could Endanger Families https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/05/29/rights-groups-warn-biden-fast-tracking-asylum-cases-could-endanger-families Biden is only good RELATIVE TO TRUMP [13:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Rights Groups Warn Biden Fast-Tracking Asylum Cases Could Endanger Families | Common Dreams News [13:37] GNUmoon Code of Conduct = Code of Control [13:37] phobos pretty much [13:37] schestowitz glimpse was a misguided fork [13:37] schestowitz i said right from the start it would die as there was no justification for it [13:37] schestowitz no stewardship issue [13:37] alextee[m] they just didnt like the name gimp iirc [13:37] schestowitz bobby moss is an online 'mate' of mine [13:37] schestowitz but GIMP is a VERY descriptive acronym, not an insult [13:38] alextee[m] yeah but everything is offensive these daysy [13:38] alextee[m] days* [13:38] schestowitz it also predates the movie iirc [13:38] schestowitz pulp fictions [13:38] schestowitz pulp fiction [13:38] schestowitz I probbalty 'violated' many CoCs [13:38] schestowitz for things like pointing out abuse and corruption by X [13:38] schestowitz Torvalds blasted the FSF [13:39] schestowitz called them "radicals" [13:39] schestowitz that's CoC violation, apparently [13:39] schestowitz I don't think FSF is radical [13:39] schestowitz but I defend his right to say they are [13:39] phobos There is a simpler term to describe them; puppets [13:39] schestowitz and you can open a debate about that [13:40] phobos schestowitz, did you find an answer on who hosts freenode.net ? [13:40] phobos I ran into a brick wall with every last 'friend' I had in staff on that topic [13:41] schestowitz BTW, Linus's dad is a leftist [13:41] schestowitz what some would call "commie" [13:41] schestowitz i never saw evidence of Torvalds being racist or sexist [13:41] schestowitz trying to 'cancel' him should be a warning sign to many [13:41] schestowitz it's not even a wing thing [13:42] schestowitz phobos: could not find out what hosts it [13:42] schestowitz tried to bypass clownflare, to no avail... [13:42] schestowitz they route every request [13:42] phobos something that many of us already know just from watching sites like townhall; they eat their own [13:42] phobos I got answers ranging from 'I don't remember [13:42] phobos to 'only the owner knows that [13:42] phobos ' [13:43] phobos silence, so on so forth [13:43] phobos both with current and formers network staffers [13:43] phobos its almost like its under NDA on who hosts the site or they know its someone that would cause an uproar over [13:45] techrights-bot #billBC rebrands "variant" as "hybrid". No buzzwords left to sell more doses for their owners, and #BBC 'sponsors' (bribes) including #billgates h Let's explain in factual terms what's happening, let's not turn media into salespeople for #patent licences. [13:46] phobos schestowitz: I'm starting to think it is hosted by Microsoft through one of its shell companies [13:46] techrights-bot Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151744 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [13:46] *alextee[m] uploaded an image: (975KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/BnquiXhcHXFpdbZniMUsuHhA/covid_fud.png > [13:46] alextee[m] wait until you see the "double mutant" [13:47] techrights-bot #Kernel : Patatt, Coreboot, Bootlin, and Latest Linux 5.14 Changes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151743 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Patatt, Coreboot, Bootlin, and Latest Linux 5.14 Changes | Tux Machines [13:47] techrights-bot #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151742 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [13:49] techrights-bot Links 30/5/2021: #Kaidan 0.8 and Linux 5.14 Work http://techrights.org/2021/05/30/kaidan-0-8/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/30/kaidan-0-8/ [13:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 30/5/2021: Kaidan 0.8 and Linux 5.14 Work | Techrights [13:51] schestowitz alextee[m]: https://stallmansupport.org/updates.html [13:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallmansupport.org | In Support of Richard Stallman - Updates [13:51] schestowitz Why? Many reasons [13:51] schestowitz https://stallman.org/ [13:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Richard Stallman's Personal Page [13:51] schestowitz "Don't watch TV coverage of Covid-19!" [13:52] schestowitz https://stallman.org/ [13:52] schestowitz -> https://stallman.org/articles/dont-watch-covid-tv.html [13:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Dont watch TV coverage of Covid-19! [13:52] schestowitz " [13:52] schestowitz Don't watch TV coverage of Covid-19! (Or "social media"; the details are different.) Watching repetitive coverage of something frightening can interfere with clear thinking, even traumatize people. [13:52] schestowitz TV news coverage of a crisis struggles to fill 24 hours a day with "information", notwithstanding the fact that the actual flow of new information about the crisis is nowhere near sufficient to fill that time. What do they do? They repeat. They present tangential and minor details. They make the same points in different ways. They belabor the obvious. They repeat. [13:52] schestowitz If your goal is to be informed, you don't need to dwell on the crisis for hours every day. Not even one hour a day. Getting your news in this inefficient matter will waste a lot of time and worse. [13:52] schestowitz " [13:52] schestowitz anyway, we stay home now [13:52] alextee[m] heh yeah I remember reading that on his site [13:52] schestowitz problem mostly solved [13:52] schestowitz until they figure out what they want [13:53] schestowitz BTW, RMS got vaccinated and encourages others to do tool [13:53] schestowitz *too [13:53] schestowitz but... [13:53] alextee[m] honestly it's not too bad in the UK if you're freelancer, but I'd imagine the whole thing is a disaster for small companies [13:53] schestowitz Don't watch TV coverage of Covid-19! (Or "social media"; the details are different.) Watching repetitive coverage of something frightening can interfere with clear thinking, even traumatize people. [13:53] schestowitz TV news coverage of a crisis struggles to fill 24 hours a day with "information", notwithstanding the fact that the actual flow of new information about the crisis is nowhere near sufficient to fill that time. What do they do? They repeat. They present tangential and minor details. They make the same points in different ways. They belabor the obvious. They repeat. [13:53] schestowitz If your goal is to be informed, you don't need to dwell on the crisis for hours every day. Not even one hour a day. Getting your news in this inefficient matter will waste a lot of time and worse. [13:53] schestowitz sorry, wrong paste [13:53] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/06/04/tired-of-rms-winning/ [13:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Red Hat/IBM Got Tired of RMS. Is It Getting Tired of GPL/Copyleft Too? | Techrights [13:53] schestowitz IBM has a lot to fear there [13:53] schestowitz RMS is not compatible with many lucrative IBM contracts with govts. [13:53] schestowitz I know whose side I take, and it's not IBM's [13:54] schestowitz I'm going to do some articles and videos now [13:56] alextee[m] no idea why rms would support an experimental vaccine given emergency authorization where a company known for alot of shady stuff in the past has no liability if something happens to you [13:57] alextee[m] the whole thing looks sketchy, but that's offtopic I guess [13:58] psydroid Lots of government contracts to update its infrastructure that IBM is involved in also tend to fail. It's as if the company is still in some ways untouchable, although it is debatable whether that was ever a good thing and whether that still is the case now [13:58] techrights-bot FTR(ecord): Late on 22-May-2021 #bt sent a patch, remotely, without warning or consent, to our hub. It fixed, 33 days late(r), a very severe bug that their last update introduced, breaking the LAN! It almost made me dump it for #openwrt http://techrights.org/2021/04/18/firmware-ruins-whole-day/ [13:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Proprietary Software (BT Hub) Has Ruined My Whole Day | Techrights [13:58] schestowitz alextee[m]: it's kind of OT [13:58] schestowitz given how divisive this issue is [13:58] schestowitz COVID-19 is a problem [13:59] schestowitz for now, we stay home [13:59] schestowitz we need more clarity [13:59] schestowitz we are not even sure which jab is best [13:59] schestowitz here they administer AZ to almost everyone [13:59] schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/04/21/astrazeneca-experiences/ [13:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Message of Concern About AstraZeneca (Which Now Renames Its Products to Dodge Bad Reputation) [13:59] schestowitz It messed up with my best friend's body [13:59] schestowitz he even came here to IRC to inquire about it [13:59] alextee[m] I've seen a lot of stories about side effects (and death) ● May 30 [14:00] schestowitz COVID-19 also kills [14:00] schestowitz but anyway [14:00] schestowitz let's get back on tech [14:00] psydroid Here in the Netherlands there are still companies with narrow ties to Microsoft that get awarded government contracts, even if it is not certain if their work is any good at all in the process excluding many companies that might do an even better job outside of the Microsoft bubble [14:00] schestowitz for not we avoid human contact [14:00] schestowitz *now [14:00] schestowitz psydroid: many 'legacy' contracts [14:01] schestowitz connections, ex staff, marketing staff pushing to renew [14:01] schestowitz psydroid: read http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/ [14:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and Slush Funds | Techrights [14:01] schestowitz it's a goo summary [14:02] schestowitz before we published it we nearly got deplatformed [14:02] psydroid I will, thanks [14:02] schestowitz after that we used e2ee... just in case [14:02] schestowitz that's just how the world works, Microsoft learned from IBM [14:02] schestowitz FUD and bribes [14:03] schestowitz Examples of IBM bribery here: http://techrights.org/2020/10/04/more-ibm-history/ [14:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Journey Back in History: Misconduct or Disorderly Conduct (Stuffing Money Down the Fronts of Stewardesses Blouses, According to Witness Account) by Arthur Watson of IBM (Founders Son and Former IBM Chief), Followed by Watsons Admission and Resignation | Techrights [14:06] schestowitz bbl need to write things [14:06] schestowitz been a hectic weekend [14:06] schestowitz at least we established some improved IRC autonomy and we now work on making gemini decentralised [14:07] schestowitz that might in fact be the subject of an upcoming video, pending further research [14:07] schestowitz as it's better to write about it after it's all done [14:07] schestowitz we would be (afaik) the first multi-site gemini capsule [14:08] schestowitz 140,000 page requests so far this month: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/stats/index.gmi [14:08] schestowitz and growing each month [14:12] psydroid yes, that would make sense [14:13] schestowitz we used to have australian mirror [14:13] schestowitz in tansmania [14:13] schestowitz on a banana pi [14:13] schestowitz I configured it [14:14] phobos https://www.zdnet.com/article/90-of-millennials-gen-z-do-not-want-to-return-to-full-time-office-work-post-pandemic-report/ [14:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-90% of millennials and Gen-Z do not want to return to full-time office work post-pandemic | ZDNet [14:36] schestowitz based on? [14:36] schestowitz zdnet partners? [14:36] schestowitz it's a marketing company [14:36] schestowitz 90% sounds dubious [14:36] schestowitz maybe some corporate-led 'survey' [14:37] schestowitz anyway, zdnet isn't a news site anymore. It was never great, but now it's mile worse. [14:37] schestowitz Since CBS collapsed (Dec. 2019) [14:38] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/ZDNet [14:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet - Techrights [14:38] schestowitz ZDNet is the "playboy" of "tehc" [sic] [14:41] schestowitz in fact, I guarantee you this so-called 'article' is based 100% on market-led 'research' that is in fact a very minuscule survey (selef-selective people) in one single country of interest, made in order for some boardroom to justify some decision for an outomce [14:42] schestowitz ZDNet chimes in, for a free, to help that boardroom [14:42] schestowitz *fre [14:42] schestowitz *fee [14:42] schestowitz that's "business" [14:42] schestowitz "professional journalism" [14:53] kingoffrance yeah, true or not, seems like self-perpetuating [14:53] MinceR schestowitz: nice [14:54] MinceR Ariadne: does the ircd need to be restarted or something to make the cloaking work? [14:54] kingoffrance not saying that is good or bad in this case, but someone wants it known it is normal, and then people can point at it "see, its the new normal" etc. [14:54] kingoffrance *self-fulfilling [14:54] Ariadne no i need to just enable it [14:54] *IroncladCorona (~jon@64.121.152.202) has joined #techrights [14:54] Ariadne i just woke up about 30 minutes ago [14:56] MinceR ah, never mind then ● May 30 [15:03] schestowitz why have face-to-face conversation? [15:04] schestowitz they cannot be MONETISED [15:19] MinceR https://i.imgur.com/8tz8faQ.png [15:24] schestowitz let me guess where this was made [15:24] schestowitz both the item and the packaging [15:29] techrights-bot We have just published a transcript of #RichardStallman on how #patents work http://techrights.org/2021/05/28/rms-swpats-talk/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/28/rms-swpats-talk/ [15:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Old Talk by Dr. Richard Stallman About How Patents Work | Techrights [15:33] *phobos has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [15:39] schestowitz "This tweet didnt age well" [15:39] schestowitz https://twitter.com/imtooold4this/status/1245908577191157761?s=21 [15:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ImTooOld4This: @stautistic @TProphet @JDApsley @GidgetWA @hacks4pancakes @AstroKatie In many regards you might be right, but barki https://t.co/hUKrqCN2LZ [15:41] techrights-bot Yes, we need more enablers of people who traffic THOUSANDS of young girls for sexual exploitation https://twitter.com/ImTooOld4This/status/1245908577191157761 #microsoft #billgates #apologists #MoneyTalks #gatesfoundation [15:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ImTooOld4This: @stautistic @TProphet @JDApsley @GidgetWA @hacks4pancakes @AstroKatie In many regards you might be right, but barki https://t.co/hUKrqCN2LZ [15:42] schestowitz " [15:42] schestowitz Director of Microsoft stanning for Bill Gateswho would have thought? [15:42] schestowitz https://twitter.com/stautistic/status/1398799871109332993?s=21 [15:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stautistic: Tell me that the lips of your Bill Gates poster are worn off without telling me that the lips of your Bill Gates po https://t.co/czieX69Gxl [15:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@stautistic: Tell me that the lips of your Bill Gates poster are worn off without telling me that the lips of your Bill Gates po https://t.co/czieX69Gxl [15:42] schestowitz " [15:45] techrights-bot This Week in Linux 153: Audacity CLA Controversy, #Ubuntu #DMCA Notice, Have I Been Pwned, Inkscape https://tuxdigital.com/2021/05/thisweekinlinux-153/ #gnu #linux [15:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-153: Audacity CLA Controversy, Ubuntu DMCA Notice, Have I Been Pwned, Inkscape | This Week in Linux - TuxDigital ● May 30 [16:04] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:06] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [16:07] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [16:12] *Ariadne has quit (Quit: hopping away, into the sunset) [16:12] *Ariadne (~ariadne@an2qck9629hug.irc) has joined #techrights [16:13] *rianne (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:13] *liberty_box (~liberty@haii6za73zabc.irc) has joined #techrights [16:13] Ariadne MinceR: turned on cloaking [16:13] MinceR thanks [16:14] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● May 30 [17:17] MinceR (audio:important) (video:unimportant) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUXiojaB86c [17:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Son-Of-A-Bitch Mouse Solves Maze Researchers Spent Months Building | The Topical | Ep 31 - YouTube [17:51] *matthew112 (~Username@c-67-185-10-147.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #techrights ● May 30 [18:37] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [18:52] BaronVladimirHar https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/05/30/comcast-sends-dmca-threats-to-a-subscriber-for-downloading-ubuntu-gnu-linux/ [18:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Comcast sends DMCA threats to a subscriber for downloading Ubuntu GNU/Linux BaronHK's Rants [18:52] BaronVladimirHar I pointed out that the threat is real. If Comcast gets enough complaints, they terminate your internet access, and they may well be a government sanctioned ISP monopoly in your area. [18:53] BaronVladimirHar Last I knew, their policy was that if they throw your offline, you can't have an account with them again for six months. [18:55] cybrNaut i have no sympathy for Comcast patrons. That's an evil company and if they refuse service they also lose business and that's a good thing. [18:56] kingoffrance why am i not surprised? Ironically, the MPAA violated the GNU GPL and other licenses in the process, effectively managing to commit piracy, and when they didnt respond to the DMCA letter, their hosting company stepped in and took it down. (Sony also violated the LGPL license of LAME in their XCP Windows rootkit malware in 2005.) ● May 30 [19:01] cybrNaut i recall Sony getting caught using GPL code in their DRM code [19:03] BaronVladimirHar The last time anyone tried to do something about the Comcast problem, it was when the Obama administration reclassified them as an essential utility that was regulated, but Trump reversed that and it would take time to fix this. Meanwhile, Comcast gets another shot at bribery and burrowing into the Biden Administration to head off another potential Title II action. [19:06] *BaronVladimirHar uploaded an image: (146KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/gBDgcBKkZBpNdZiShhwGlAqj/900-4.png > [19:09] XRevan86 "You will run SQL Server" huh, otherwise the grammar's fine, but here it clearly should be "You will run an SQL server". [19:11] CrystalMath more like a semantic problem since there technically could have been a program called "SQL Server" [19:11] CrystalMath which there actually is [19:12] CrystalMath pronounced "sequel server", it's microsoft's own DBMS [19:13] CrystalMath i have it on a DVD somewhere [19:13] CrystalMath 2005 [19:13] CrystalMath an original copy [19:13] CrystalMath though that's nothing to be proud of :P [19:14] XRevan86 CrystalMath: But then this is disgusting. [19:14] MinceR microsoft with their creative names [19:16] CrystalMath MinceR: there was a time when they called a JIT debugger "Dr. Watson" [19:16] CrystalMath before the last hacker was removed [19:17] schestowitz 'server' [sic] [19:17] schestowitz btw, when do we replace the word? [19:18] schestowitz it's offensive [19:18] MinceR server? but i don't even know 'er! [19:18] schestowitz in a just society nobody serves anybody [19:18] MinceR we do not have a just society [19:18] MinceR and the cancel mob only makes our society even more unjust [19:18] schestowitz then ban the word class [19:19] schestowitz because it suggests that people are not all equal [19:19] MinceR lol [19:19] CrystalMath i think C+= does that [19:19] schestowitz doubly ungood [19:20] MinceR doubleplusungood crimethink [19:21] BaronVladimirHar Mandy asked if I was going to contact John after John found him and messaged him on Facebook wanting to know about the car title. I told Mandy no, because I'm not going to be baited into more nonsense with him. It deeply disturbs me that this is going on and, worse, that I can't make Mandy get off of Facebook. [19:22] BaronVladimirHar If John is stalking him on it, so might his sister. [19:23] BaronVladimirHar I'm not going to quit claim deed my interest in the car over to John because it amuses me that it's going to be impossible for him to transfer the title over to anyone else without my approval, which I can withhold. [19:24] BaronVladimirHar Even if I was going to change my mind on that, it certainly wouldn't be until the last payment is due on it to Kia Finance, because if he does want the title so he can try to sell it and be done with it and not have to come up with the entire amount due, I don't want to make that easy. If they repo it again, it's his problem. [19:24] bagira fyi: https://twitter.com/lord_bagira/status/1399061090718343169 [19:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lord_bagira: @mjg59 @rahaeli @BadLegalTakes For people reading, Matthew has a serial habit of smearing people in public using th https://t.co/Y6M95qpftl [19:25] BaronVladimirHar MinceR: In other words, I can be nasty by not having to do anything at all. He might be able to get out from under it by selling at $13,000 since the used car market is up right now, and then he only needs $3,000 or so out of pocket to get out of the loan. [19:25] BaronVladimirHar But if I don't sign, there's no way he can get the title from Kia and he still has to come up with $16,000. [19:26] BaronVladimirHar So I can slow bleed him and possibly have it turn into a lawsuit against him by taking no action. [19:28] BaronVladimirHar These are my favorite situations. Harm enemy by taking no action at all. [19:29] BaronVladimirHar I don't know how he found Mandy on Facebook. That's the part that bothers me. [19:32] schestowitz wow, patents do that? [19:32] schestowitz https://www.phonearena.com/news/Apple-patent-turns-a-MacBook-Pro-into-a-wireless-charger_id129335 [19:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple patent turns a MacBook Pro into a wireless charger - PhoneArena [19:32] schestowitz they make it sound like patents DO things [19:32] MinceR lol [19:33] BaronVladimirHar For the next trick.... Legal document from the government transforms the Mac into the Starship Enterprise. [19:33] BaronVladimirHar WHAT does God need with a starship!? [19:34] schestowitz https://twitter.com/lord_bagira/status/1399061090718343169 [19:34] BaronVladimirHar How "God" got imprisoned on that planet for all time turned out to be Q related, in a later Trek story. [19:34] schestowitz unemployed troll trying to find a job [19:35] schestowitz jealous of something who has a job [19:35] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/ [19:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Professional Troll Matthew Garrett Spreads Libel, Defamation and Slander About the Free Software Community to Entertain Microsoft and Friends | Techrights [19:35] BaronVladimirHar It turned out to be a very powerful being from another reality that created monotheistic religions in our universe. But the Q eventually injured it and imprisoned it on that rock to stop it from interfering further. [19:35] schestowitz playing with doorbells and adding malicious crap to things, e.g. UEFI 'secure' boot [19:36] schestowitz more harmful than doing nothing [19:36] schestowitz he should become a gardener or something [19:36] BaronVladimirHar Garrett will eventually get a job at Microsoft and claim that he's changing it from the inside. [19:37] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/05/30/decentralised-internet/ [19:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Internet Was Made to be Decentralised and We Need to Re-decentralise It | Techrights [19:37] BaronVladimirHar Like he changed Google from the inside, as it got worse, and he eventually resigned. [19:37] BaronVladimirHar (Might have been one of those "mutual decisions".) [19:37] schestowitz after taking lots of money [19:37] BaronVladimirHar You resign and you get to keep some of your dignity because we didn't have to fire you. [19:37] schestowitz Thunberg joined Exxon [19:37] schestowitz she will change it from the inside [19:38] schestowitz next stop: Philipp Morris [19:38] BaronVladimirHar Employers like to do this a lot. If you voluntarily resign then it frees them from any potential liabilities later. [19:38] BaronVladimirHar Like potentially losing an unemployment case you bring. [19:38] BaronVladimirHar But they frame it as "We'll fire you and then how will that look on your resume later?". [19:39] BaronVladimirHar They always use children like this to inflict policy that nobody would otherwise agree to. [19:39] kingoffrance IOW they bluff to get what they want ""We'll fire you and then how will that look on your resume later?"." [19:40] BaronVladimirHar Child pornography is a horrible thing, but look how they used that. They used children as pawns to get people to view Tor and encryption as "criminal". Anyone who wants privacy is a "criminal". [19:40] BaronVladimirHar Meanwhile, the criminals and sickos, like Bill Gates, are free and they will never worry about consequences. No real ones. [19:41] BaronVladimirHar In "climate change", they stick the face of children out there again. [19:41] BaronVladimirHar It makes people "feel bad". "You're being mean to children if you eat meat, drive a car, and want any standard of living. Just give it all up!". [19:42] BaronVladimirHar The Chinese benefit greatly from the "climate change" stuff because they get other nations to agree to "cut emissions" and ruin their own industry and living standards and cause mass unemployment and suicides. [19:43] Noisytoot schestowitz, UEFI secure boot is fine if the user controls it [19:43] BaronVladimirHar In the meantime, the Chinese just keep pumping out more greenhouse gases and smog each year because they put in more heavy industry and renege on their end of all the deals. [19:44] BaronVladimirHar They're very duplicitous, and if you say that, it's "racist". [19:44] BaronVladimirHar schestowitz: I'm really not surprised about Thunberg. Most "activists" really just want to be paid in exchange for shutting up. [19:45] BaronVladimirHar She's laughing. It's diabolical for a child, I'll give her that. Most of them aren't thinking on that level until way later in life. [19:45] BaronVladimirHar What can I get in exchange for virtue signaling and corruption? [19:46] schestowitz [19:43] schestowitz, UEFI secure boot is fine if the user controls it [19:46] schestowitz that's not what we get [19:46] BaronVladimirHar MARISOL is an example of this. Crude manipulation of others through thinly veiled corruption and apparent generosity towards others. [19:47] schestowitz the OEMs ship it with control outsourced [19:47] BaronVladimirHar It's betrayed by an anal expulsive personality though. [19:47] schestowitz BaronVladimirHar: this is a tech channel, let's keep focused [19:47] schestowitz than [19:47] schestowitz thanks [19:47] Noisytoot That is bad, but it does not have to be like that (UEFI secure boot can be good) [19:47] BaronVladimirHar The people who do a better job of that are the ones who can manage to keep their composure when you irritate them. [19:48] BaronVladimirHar Garrett can at least do that, I guess. [19:49] schestowitz Noisytoot: this is how the monopolists sell it [19:49] schestowitz now Google and IBM (via LF) do the same with software packages [19:49] schestowitz you have to sign trust chains leading up to monopolists [19:50] schestowitz at first it would warn you otherwise [19:50] schestowitz barrier to installation [19:50] schestowitz later it might be strictly enforced [19:50] Noisytoot They should ship it disabled (and with no keys installed) [19:50] BaronVladimirHar MinceR: We stopped at the SG-1 crossover episode The Pegasus Project last night. That was a good episode. It was another example of Teal'c being Teal'c. [19:50] BaronVladimirHar When he commented that the Tollan people lacking the ability to think strategically would be their downfall, he followed up by destroying an Ori mothership by luring it in front of the supergate, which he knew would open up in a minute and catch it in the energy vortex. [19:50] schestowitz and they'll tell use they protect us from "bad software" [19:50] schestowitz so Linux becomes like iOS [19:51] BaronVladimirHar There's no obvious way to gain the upperhand here. An entire fleet of ships could barely be a small drain on the shields of one of those with concentrated fire. [19:53] BaronVladimirHar That episode reminded me of the B5 flashback where Captain Sheridan was the XO on a ship during the Earth-Minbari War, and lured the Black Star into an asteroid field mined with nuclear weapons, by sending out a distress signal and using maneuvering thrusters to pretend to try to limp away from them. There was no way an Earth ship could get a firing lock on a Minbari vessel due to some sort of jamming technology [19:53] BaronVladimirHar and they were superior in every way anyway, and his ship was badly damaged. [19:54] BaronVladimirHar The Minbari were always pissed off about that, long after the war. They considered it a dishonorable way to fight. Is there really a dishonorable way to fight if you're the one that wins? [19:55] BaronVladimirHar I would argue that if you are badly outnumbered or outmoded and desperate, anything goes as long as the cause is just. [19:56] *KindTwo (kindone@h54.175.142.40.ip.windstream.net) has joined #techrights [19:56] BaronVladimirHar That's how I've won most of my battles against a nominally superior foe. If you can't outfight them, outthink them. [19:57] *KindOne has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [19:57] BaronVladimirHar I don't think that's a huge threat, honestly. With the "app stores". [19:57] MinceR it's happening with OSPS such as systemd and flatpak on top of it [19:57] schestowitz yeah [19:57] schestowitz flakpak [19:57] BaronVladimirHar That model is basically falling apart. The Snap Store was an experiment that failed. Ubuntu is trying to become Linspire. [19:57] MinceR and of course the dumbed down ui with gnome [19:58] schestowitz reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flapjack_(oat_bar) [19:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Flapjack (oat bar) - Wikipedia [19:58] schestowitz a bunch of high-calory crap [19:58] schestowitz for just a lousy little application [19:58] BaronVladimirHar I was briefly interested in Linspire a long time ago until I saw how badly they had cobbled it together. [19:58] schestowitz saddled with lots of libs [19:58] schestowitz and it's also a security issue [19:58] BaronVladimirHar I mean, it even logged you in as root. [19:58] BaronVladimirHar You could open Konqueror and delete parts of the operating system! [19:59] *KindTwo is now known as KindOne [19:59] schestowitz BaronVladimirHar: the snap team is falling apart [19:59] schestowitz turned out shilling Skype and Spotify isn't what people wanted ● May 30 [20:00] BaronVladimirHar I don't even use Spotify. [20:00] schestowitz they remove barriers for proprietary software on "Linux" [20:00] schestowitz as if people want "apps" [20:00] schestowitz it's a ramp for crapware [20:01] schestowitz I wondered today, [20:01] schestowitz has Google already approached Canonical [20:01] schestowitz to put Chromium there by default [20:01] schestowitz like the installer (iirc) is a google framework [20:01] MinceR 30 204306 < Noisytoot> schestowitz, UEFI secure boot is fine if the user controls it [20:01] psydroid Snack and Snackpack [20:01] MinceR just boot Backdoors once, and boom, your keys are blacklisted [20:02] schestowitz can you SAY that? [20:02] MinceR it's designed to lock users/owners out [20:02] *kingoffrance has quit (Quit: Leaving) [20:02] *kingoffrance (~x__@4mmu4fx6g3jvs.irc) has joined #techrights [20:02] schestowitz reminds me of what phones became... [20:02] schestowitz digital jails [20:04] MinceR Backdoors installs a BIOS update automatically, and the deal is altered [20:04] MinceR (pray they do not alter it any further.) [20:06] schestowitz exactlyh [20:06] schestowitz tbh, some 'Linux' companies are not worth trusting either [20:06] schestowitz the word "community" is losing its meaning [20:06] schestowitz I have an informant at the moment about libreoffice [20:06] schestowitz and commercial interests from within [20:06] schestowitz we're checking the facts [20:06] schestowitz as it might be the basis for a good article or series [20:07] MinceR (updating a blacklist and installing a BIOS update are two separate routes, afaik) [20:09] schestowitz that's two impermissible words right there [20:09] CrystalMath MinceR: dOn'T sAy BlAcKlIsT [20:11] MinceR lol [20:11] MinceR which one is the other impermissible word? [20:12] CrystalMath graylist, it offends aliens [20:12] MinceR i didn't say "graylist" [20:13] CrystalMath ah you asked schestowitz [20:13] CrystalMath i don't know :P [20:13] schestowitz guess... [20:14] schestowitz words hurt and trigger ideas [20:14] CrystalMath separate? [20:14] schestowitz some of them contradict worldviews [20:15] schestowitz here's the thing... [20:15] schestowitz on the past 100 years alone, let alone/aside 1000 years, we more or less existed OK without those 'emotional condoms' [20:15] schestowitz we trained people to access or reject some ideas [20:16] schestowitz without trying to silence or remove from society the people who express those ideas [20:16] schestowitz Rowan spoke about this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiqDZlAZygU [20:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-In full: Rowan Atkinson on free speech - YouTube [20:16] schestowitz towards the end [20:16] schestowitz many comedians cannot do their word anymore [20:16] schestowitz or they become a lot less funny [20:16] schestowitz because they have to filter their jokes for like a dozen audiences [20:16] schestowitz which make the punchlines infantile [20:17] schestowitz I wonder if Mr. Bean would be canceled if it happened to take off today [20:17] schestowitz maybe mute people's societies won't condone it [20:18] *KindTwo (kindone@h176.174.142.40.ip.windstream.net) has joined #techrights [20:20] *KindOne has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [20:20] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/09/29/lame-words/ [20:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Its Crazy Not to Eliminate Lame Words That Might Offend Somebody | Techrights [20:22] kingoffrance MinceR's heresy link was great, thats pretty much what the thought police is [20:23] kingoffrance but it will masquerade as secular etc. [20:23] kingoffrance or all-inclusive etc. [20:26] *KindTwo is now known as KindOne [20:28] schestowitz it gives enough leeway for trolls like mjg59 [20:28] schestowitz by which to portray nice and reasonable people as monsters [20:29] schestowitz because they use the 'wrong' word or something, maybe 20 years ago [20:29] schestowitz unethical corporations change the standard [20:29] schestowitz to shift away from their inherently unethical business model [20:29] schestowitz so you end up cancelling people like RMS but not Zuckerberg [20:30] schestowitz or julian assange instead of the monsters in the helicopter who massacre civilians [20:30] schestowitz or their chain of command [20:30] *cubexyz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [20:30] schestowitz TODAY: [20:30] schestowitz [12:57] OUCH OUCH OUCH! Birmingham University calls a college after "Thomas J. Watson" https://www.binghamton.edu/news/story/3082/computer-science-department-celebrates-research-new-faculty-for-2020-21 don't pay tribute to Nazis: http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/ibm-germany-history/ [20:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.binghamton.edu | Computer Science Department celebrates research, new faculty for 2020-21 | Binghamton News [20:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Documentary: IBM Founder (Watson) Gave a Nazi Salute, Admired Hitler, Said Hitler Was Doing the Right Thing | Techrights [20:31] schestowitz some libraries are STILL called after Gates [20:31] schestowitz maybe some CS depts as well [20:31] schestowitz they're paid to do so [20:31] *techrights-ipfs (~techright@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:c7f2:e919:b6dc:6252) has joined #techrights [20:31] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 49.66 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 27.28 swarm size (avg): 234.82 [20:31] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 49.66 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 27.28 swarm size (avg): 234.82 [20:31] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 49.66 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 27.28 swarm size (avg): 234.82 [20:32] *cubexyz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights [20:51] *stormchaser3000 (~iansutter@unaffiliated/stormchaser3000) has joined #techrights [20:54] *matthew112 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) ● May 30 [21:17] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 49.33 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 67.96 swarm size (avg): 234.85 [21:42] schestowitz tonight the logging/archiving will be on 'autopilot' (IRC) [21:42] schestowitz will be the first true change to test the workings of it and test extensively [21:42] schestowitz so far this network has been 100% reliable, which is great [21:42] schestowitz Ariadne: "L" studied the container today [21:42] Ariadne oh? [21:42] schestowitz for purposes such as backups etc. or D-R [21:43] BaronVladimirHar Papa John's upped their deliver fee to $2.99 in my area and then continues to be unclear about where this goes. Drivers have stated that they don't see any of it. They get a very small allowance for gas which is maybe $1 per delivery. The rest of their money comes from tips and the lower tipped minimum wage. [21:43] schestowitz loved the fact only 18 processes in it [21:43] BaronVladimirHar That got me thinking about how pizza was basically the OG GrubHub. [21:44] schestowitz the way it should be [21:44] Ariadne 18? [21:44] Ariadne seems a bit high [21:44] schestowitz can people still use bitcoin to buy pizza in some places [21:45] schestowitz earlier today I read that bitcoin value had crashed by more than 50% [21:45] schestowitz :D [21:45] schestowitz maybe that included the ps command [21:45] BaronVladimirHar Everyone I've talked to that has delivered pizza complained that they barely made any money because the delivery fees come right out of their tips since the customer feels they're already paying for the delivery anyway. That they barely get money for gas and that it's out of their own pocket when their car breaks down a lot from constant starts and stops. [21:45] schestowitz iirc, you used to deliver pizzas in your car for a living [21:45] Ariadne there [21:45] schestowitz very dangerous job at the moment [21:45] Ariadne now 7 [21:46] Ariadne :) [21:46] schestowitz many hands, door knobs etc. [21:46] BaronVladimirHar Yeah, and Maricel bought a lot of that bragging that you can't lose. [21:46] schestowitz bitcoin? [21:46] schestowitz she has no idea about it [21:46] BaronVladimirHar The UK government warned that you could technically lose everything since it's not backed by anything. [21:46] schestowitz and even those who knew it got burned lately [21:46] schestowitz :-D [21:47] BaronVladimirHar It's a speculation bubble and worth whatever people collectively agree it's worth. [21:47] BaronVladimirHar Unlike dollars, nobody is compelled to accept them for a debt owed and you can't pay tax in them. [21:47] Ariadne (5 really, when nothing is attached) [21:47] MinceR isn't that true for all fiat currency? [21:47] schestowitz amazing [21:48] schestowitz roy@vonick:~$ ps aux | wc -l [21:48] schestowitz 331 [21:48] BaronVladimirHar The threat of government violence oddly gives fiat money its value. [21:48] schestowitz (buster) [21:48] Ariadne freenode is down to 60k users basically [21:48] MinceR so why does it inflate? [21:48] schestowitz I'd rather cheers the issues at EPO [21:48] MinceR not enough violence? [21:48] schestowitz than do IRC wars [21:48] BaronVladimirHar With Bitcoin, if you and I agree one is worth a car, it's worth a car. If we agree it's worth a tuna sandwich, it is. [21:48] schestowitz *cheer the issues [21:48] Ariadne not cheering that, i find it quite sad really [21:48] schestowitz they will need to redo their courts [21:48] BaronVladimirHar Violence is only part of the equation. [21:48] schestowitz 150 judges or something at that region [21:49] schestowitz big step towards killing swpats [21:49] schestowitz I will do IRC advocacy [21:49] schestowitz as a protocol [21:49] schestowitz Matrix I don't know well enough [21:49] schestowitz gemini, irc, the light web [21:49] schestowitz there's also "SmallWeb" [21:49] schestowitz "SmallLinux" [21:49] schestowitz back to basics [21:50] BaronVladimirHar It floats against what is basically the coercive force of other governments in the world economy, and the fact that people are willing to pay more or less of something due to external factors that the government does not control, and due to those it does. Like overspending and having to create more dollars to do that with. [21:51] schestowitz many now move from wordpress to hugo and stuff like that, or with hugo over gemini, gemini over ipfs [21:51] schestowitz ipfs is just cpu-intensive, that's the main downside [21:52] BaronVladimirHar Taxes are a way to limit inflation, but the government knows that tax is unpopular and that programs tend to be popular. Even though everyone knows there will be horrible inflation that outstrips the pittance they got from a one off stimulus, they still cheer it on. [21:52] BaronVladimirHar I'd much rather undo the 30% real inflation in my groceries from the last year, even if it meant giving back $1,200 that I got once. [21:52] *tr_guest|1597532 (5bb4eea5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.180.238.165) has joined #techrights [21:52] schestowitz we buy discounted food [21:53] schestowitz you can save a lot that way [21:53] schestowitz you just need to know the where and when [21:53] schestowitz can lower your bills by a thousand pounds per year [21:54] BaronVladimirHar Yeah, slow cookers are a good way to economize. Freeze last day meat. [21:54] schestowitz and with that money you can buy 5 decent laptops or whatnot... per year [21:54] schestowitz BaronVladimirHar: freeze is you have 'backlog' [21:54] schestowitz *if [21:54] BaronVladimirHar Oh, my sinuses are clearing up already. I suspect the silver. [21:55] BaronVladimirHar It makes sense that nobody studies it and then complains there's no evidence. [21:55] BaronVladimirHar It's amazing what evidence the government doesn't have when it doesn't want the research. [21:55] schestowitz [14:41] in fact, I guarantee you this so-called 'article' is based 100% on market-led 'research' that is in fact a very minuscule survey (selef-selective people) in one single country of interest, made in order for some boardroom to justify some decision for an outomce [21:56] BaronVladimirHar The FDA is drug company lobbyists overseeing an agency that's 75% funded by drug companies. [21:56] schestowitz yes, not just the US 'FDA' [21:56] BaronVladimirHar They set the agenda and pay for conclusions to be reached. [21:56] schestowitz approval can have little to do with merit [21:56] schestowitz but how much lobbying firepower you have [21:56] schestowitz maybe J&J was not prepared [21:57] BaronVladimirHar They recently approved a $300,000 a year drug for muscular dystrophy, iirc, on a bad study that only had usable results from 11 patients. [21:57] BaronVladimirHar Further study suggests that those who go on the drug decline faster than those who don't. [21:58] BaronVladimirHar The silver tastes horrible but both Mandy and I started recovering quickly after starting on it. [21:59] BaronVladimirHar Unfortunately there's no real studies in the NIH system and I doubt there ever will be. ● May 30 [22:00] BaronVladimirHar I'm told that these solutions were popular up through the 1950s when powerful antibiotics were released, but now the antibiotics don't work very well and good luck getting any help at all from a doctor you just paid $300 to even if it is bacterial. [22:00] BaronVladimirHar They just sit there and deny the possibility and call it allergies while you have green shit coming out your lungs. [22:02] BaronVladimirHar Amoxicillin clears up my sinus infections, but I usually just have another one in short order and about half the doctors prescribe you something and the other half say take allergy meds that don't work. [22:02] *tr_guest|1597532 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [22:02] schestowitz https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ [22:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldometers.info | United Kingdom COVID: 4,484,056 Cases and 127,781 Deaths - Worldometer [22:02] schestowitz almost 50% growth in cases week-to-week(end) [22:03] schestowitz I expect lockdowns end of summer [22:03] schestowitz not even autumn [22:03] BaronVladimirHar So if the concern is throwing money in the trash, is not that what spending $300 talking to a doctor who doesn't even do anything accomplish? [22:03] schestowitz things get bad here when there are 20-30k new cases per day and it slips out of control [22:03] BaronVladimirHar Is not spending $17 on a bottle of colloidal silver less of a risk? [22:04] BaronVladimirHar Even if it does turn out to be a big fat placebo, so is Zyrtec if that's what the doc says to do about a sinus infection. [22:06] *tr_guest|1597532 (5bb4eea5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.180.238.165) has joined #techrights [22:07] schestowitz Happy Friday, loyal Linux Today readers! [22:07] schestowitz Here in the U.S., Monday, May 31 is Memorial Day, the federal holiday on which we commemorate the women and men who died while serving in the nation's military. [22:07] schestowitz Linux Today's staff will observe this federal holiday and be on a reduced publication schedule for Monday. We'll be back on Tuesday, June 1 with a full day of Linux news and updates. 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[22:14] schestowitz https://stallman.org/live/stream-debxp-may-31.html [22:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Live de Segunda #80 - Uma conversa com Richard Stallman - May 31, 2021 [22:17] cybrNaut Carnegie Mellon University wrote a robot to harvest privacy policies of banks, and publish a matrix showing which banks respect privacy more: https://cups.cs.cmu.edu/bankprivacy/ [22:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cups.cs.cmu.edu | Bank Privacy: Search [22:23] schestowitz Alexandre Oliva: A Conversation With Richard Stallman http://techrights.org/2021/05/30/conversation-with-rms/ [22:23] schestowitz tomorrow [22:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Alexandre Oliva: A Conversation With Richard Stallman | Techrights [22:23] schestowitz questions via freenode, rasengan might be happy... [22:24] schestowitz cybrNaut: some banks sell data [22:24] schestowitz but banks do, in general, need to collect SOME data [22:24] schestowitz tax, fraud etc. [22:24] schestowitz my grocer need not [22:24] schestowitz they don't need to know what I eat or even who I am... [22:28] cybrNaut banks are getting worse and worse, but they are not all equal. Some banks are far more abusing/exploitive than others. [22:29] cybrNaut there's also a comparison here: https://git.disroot.org/cyberMonk/liberethos_paradigm/src/branch/master/usa_banks.md [22:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.disroot.org | cyberMonk/liberethos_paradigm: Information and tools to facilitate ethical consumption of goods and services. - usa_banks.md at master - liberethos_paradigm - Gitea: Git with a cup of tea [22:29] schestowitz https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/752372/best-cheap-sbc-for-a-linux-with-a-nice-gui/ [22:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | Best cheap SBC for a Linux with a nice GUI - Questions and advice for Buying a New Computer [22:30] schestowitz if you use cash, they won't know much about you [22:30] schestowitz only when and where you withdraw and deposit money [22:30] schestowitz which doesn't tell THAT much about you [22:30] schestowitz because you usually deposit and withdraw at the same places [22:30] schestowitz and similar intervals apart [22:30] cybrNaut right.. indeed it makes sense to use cash whenever practical [22:32] cybrNaut i'd be hard-pressed to close all bank accts and keep everything as cash in a safe though [22:32] schestowitz https://euroquis.nl//freebsd/2021/05/30/kde-freebsd-communications.html [22:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-euroquis.nl | KDE on FreeBSD IRC channels | [bobulate] [22:32] schestowitz it's a small project [22:32] schestowitz few people [22:33] schestowitz there is a slowdown in exodus, I think [22:33] schestowitz no high-profile projects announcing departure [22:33] schestowitz let's hope no major blunders and the flux settles [22:33] schestowitz and we get back to doing work, not just migrations that are mostly needless [22:44] *wineroots has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [22:46] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [22:47] schestowitz http://techrights.org/videos/carlin-on-america.ogg ● May 30 [23:04] schestowitz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urugXGOlJXs [23:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mother Giraffe kicks Lion head and kills it to save her baby, harsh life of Wild Animals - YouTube [23:17] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 26.06 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 42.05 swarm size (avg): 234.89 [23:25] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:27] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [23:27] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [23:36] tessier schestowitz: You use IPFS to distribute techrights? 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