●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 ●●
● Aug 30
[00:00]	DaemonFC	And the stuff that actually was good, and was never put on DVD will only be available through file sharing. Which I'm sure they'll monitor and complain to your ISP about even if theres's no way to pay them to watch it.
[00:07]	MinceR	https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/12/bofh_2022_episode_15/
[00:07]	TR Bot	 Who us? BOFH and PFY? Spend time with other departments? The Register
[00:16]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], I'm writing another post about streaming.
[00:16]	DaemonFC	This one is heavily focused on the impending collapse of HBO Max, but references the one about Netflix.
[00:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[00:25]	loner	decided yesterday, to fully remove ALSA support from userspace
[00:25]	loner	they did some really weird things, to sound support with ALSA
[00:26]	loner	some symbol-versioning, and some ABI breakage between alsa-0.9 and later
[00:26]	DaemonFC	Probably because there's nobody left using it directly?
[00:26]	DaemonFC	OSS has ALSA emulation though.
[00:27]	DaemonFC	So you probably can use Pulseaudio and Pipewire over OSS using ALSA emulation if you wanted to go that route.
[00:27]	DaemonFC	You'd need to in order to get sound working on a Firefox browser.
[00:28]	loner	i removed pulseaudio/pipewire long time ago already
[00:28]	loner	however, now i'll remove ALSA from userspace too
[00:29]	loner	OSS at least is platform-independent, meaning it is available on *BSD too
[00:29]	DaemonFC	There really are no compatibility guarantees with any OS anymore.
[00:29]	loner	i know
[00:29]	DaemonFC	I remember when at least Microsoft worried about old software running on their new OS.
[00:29]	loner	that's why i rolled-back to old versions of mplayer/libsdl etc... just one example
[00:30]	DaemonFC	When XP was new there were compatibility updates for it constantly to get stubborn old Windows 9x software to work.
[00:30]	loner	i had not given ALSA that much thought, althouth it wasn't that easy to configure
[00:30]	loner	yet recently, when I saw alsa-lib fail with tcc-compiler... i re-iterated over ALSA too
[00:30]	loner	and hey, why not, OSS is still there
[00:31]	DaemonFC	The same thing happened with Vista and 7 to a lesser extent.
[00:31]	DaemonFC	Because they were obviously more XP compatible than XP was with 9x.
[00:32]	loner	DaemonFC: i don't care about IBM Wintel OS
[00:32]	DaemonFC	But around Windows 8, Microsoft stopped caring if it broke applications, even though Windows 11 is still a garbage dump for all kinds of shit.
[00:33]	loner	anyway, the OSS issue is rather old, almost 20 years when it was common with linux kernel-2.4
[00:33]	loner	that's why, i find it surprising, it's not fully settled yet, and alsa-lib wrecked against tcc-compiler
[00:33]	loner	which was, just a minor symptom, due to internal ABI/API breakage within ALSA 0.9 and any later version
[00:34]	loner	at least, linux kernel still exposes OSS api
[00:34]	DaemonFC	You'd have to patch in OSS support (modern OSS). Thanks to mjg59_ boot, you can't just expect the system to come back up and work if you've patched the kernel.
[00:35]	loner	currently i am re-compiling the distro, without alsa-lib and nothing linking against it anymore
[00:35]	loner	in a few hours, i'll know if at least prboom-plus MIDI and OSS output work
[00:35]	loner	and mplayer, with sdl/oss audio
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[00:36]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, "We got Linux to work, if you beg Microsoft." Also mjg59_ "Now that certificate is disabled and you can't boot Linux without also potentially losing your data to Windows Bitlocker."
[00:37]	DaemonFC	Next it'll be "We got Linux to work for about a decade if you asked Microsoft and risked trashing all your data, but now that certificate is gone and they won't sign anything for us. Who could've seen that coming?"
[00:37]	loner	i won't ever include any UEFI support anywhere
[00:38]	XRevan86	loner crippling the audio stack is bizarre but strangely fitting.
[00:38]	MinceR	meanwhile the masses have been put to sleep while intHell killed the CSM
[00:38]	starstreak	XRevan86, he has schitzophrenia
[00:38]	loner	XRevan86: it's not me who crippled the audio stack
[00:38]	XRevan86	It's the audio stack that crippled itself, yea, yea, whatever.
[00:39]	XRevan86	I get that ye don't want actual sound.
[00:39]	loner	just saying, OSS is still there, and this is what i will be using if it works
[00:39]	loner	and yes, i am even willing to dispose sound support
[00:39]	loner	if necessary
[00:40]	starstreak	XRevan86, he literally threw away star trek and big bang theory dvds because "brainwashing"
[00:40]	loner	if libsdl1/oss work, i'll keep that, certainly not ALSA anymore
[00:40]	XRevan86	starstreak: I didn't know that, did he write it when I was not in the mood to read his stuff?
[00:40]	loner	even got a MIDI keyboard here, and see to it'll work with timidity and OSS
[00:40]	starstreak	XRevan86, at this point im pretty sure he has paranoid schitzophrenia
[00:40]	starstreak	i think it was yesterday XRevan86 
[00:40]	loner	it wasn't me who wrecked OSS
[00:40]	XRevan86	starstreak: Ah, yea, I was not in the mood :).
[00:41]	Helenah	o.o
[00:41]		*Helenah cuddles
[00:42]		*Helenah gives XRevan86 a hamper of chocolates
[00:42]		*Helenah gives loner a hamper of chocolates
[00:42]		*Helenah gives starstreak a hamper of chocolates
[00:42]	XRevan86	starstreak: I diagnosed him when he revealed his linguistic prowess. Freak linguistics is a magnet for schitzophrenics.
[00:42]	Helenah	Freak linguistics?
[00:43]	XRevan86	Unscientific but extensive "study" of language.
[00:43]	Helenah	I can't say that about my gf...
[00:43]	Helenah	and she has paranoid schizophrenia...
[00:43]	Helenah	She's well educated.
[00:44]	loner	i was reading a little, some late 19th century biblical exegesis, Leipzig University, philological institute
[00:44]	Helenah	As for language, it's not an interest of hers but she knows all about it.
[00:44]	Helenah	Then again my gf's schizophrenia is extremely mild.
[00:45]	loner	and then I realized, in Leipzig some very old dialect of Indo-European language was conserved
[00:45]	loner	that old, it can trace it's heritage back to pre-socratic era and bronce age collapse
[00:45]	Helenah	Interesting!
[00:46]	XRevan86	Helenah: I specifically mean etymologies / analysis of words.
[00:46]	loner	nowadays almost all of it is lost
[00:46]	Helenah	XRevan86: Oh ah
[00:47]	starstreak	Helenah, thank you =)
[00:47]	Helenah	loner: Yeah my mind was like "It must be full of holes" just by you mentioning the age...
[00:47]	Helenah	holes as in missing gaps of lost pieces
[00:47]	starstreak	XRevan86, i diagnosed him when i realized he was normal at some point and then something snapped making him throw away stuff he previously enjoyed for paranoid reasons
[00:47]	Helenah	Like cause the education of language isn't easy to teach...
[00:48]	Helenah	So why teach an obsolete language unless it's of interest to the students you're teaching ie they signed up for it?
[00:48]	loner	philology can be studied
[00:48]	loner	the language children grow up with cannot be
[00:49]	starstreak	loner, you should join #ConspiracyTheory
[00:49]	Helenah	Children are taught language from growing up, it isn't ingrained into the brain from birth.
[00:49]	XRevan86	Helenah: The thing about word analysis is that it's easy to get wrong but if the person lacks critical reasoning, they'll fall down the rabbit-hole of their own constructed false narrative.
[00:50]	loner	Helenah: allright then, what's the transcription of Achilles and Hercules mythological figures?
[00:50]	Helenah	oh
[00:50]	Helenah	XRevan86: Who lacks that?
[00:50]	XRevan86	Helenah: Do I really need to point a finger?
[00:50]	Helenah	My gf doesn't
[00:50]	starstreak	the only thing missing is for loner to start re-arranging letters in words for anagram analysis
[00:51]	Helenah	She lacks it only when she's very ill with her schizophrenia, it comes on in bouts.
[00:51]	Helenah	I mean she's always got it but it doesn't always show.
[00:51]	XRevan86	starstreak: Would that really be that much worse than looking for the word "tit" in words like "Titan" and tracing it back to a primordial cow and its tit?
[00:51]	Helenah	So yes please point fingers, XRevan86 :D
[00:51]	loner	instead of insults, give it a try at least... what were the designations of Achilles and Hercules in the _original_ language?
[00:51]		*XRevan86 points at loner.
[00:51]	Helenah	Ah!
[00:52]	starstreak	XRevan86, that sounds like something Beavis and Butthead might do
[00:52]	Helenah	loner: Why give a question as a response that's unrelated to what I'm saying?!
[00:52]	loner	it's some minor konsonant-shifts only, which too are evident when comparing russian/kyrillic/orthodox alphabet with germanic alphabet
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[00:53]	Helenah	What does the transcription of Achilles and Hercules mythological figures have to do with anything?
[00:53]	starstreak_win311	i use win 3.11 by the way
[00:53]	loner	with Achilles, it's simple, A[ch]illes ch is the [X], and Axilles is Axel. the Axe-men
[00:53]	Helenah	Yes but what does it have to do with anything?!
[00:53]	Helenah	I didn't ask for the answer...
[00:53]	loner	which is plausible with the myth told about him, when they build the giant trojan horse from wood
[00:53]	Helenah	Is this DaemonFC?
[00:53]	loner	hence, Achilles were the axe-men..
[00:54]	Helenah	It's DaemonFC...
[00:54]	Helenah	typographical stylometrics says so..
[00:54]	starstreak_win311	helenah - no its not
[00:54]	Helenah	Oh
[00:54]	XRevan86	Helenah: It's not "Yes but", he's wrong.
[00:54]	Helenah	starstreak_win311: Are they buddies of the same motive?
[00:54]	XRevan86	Also: case & point.
[00:54]	loner	Hercules is easy too, it's Herzeles, Herz is the Heart. Hercules was the man with a strong heart, brave-heart or similar
[00:54]	DaemonFC	I really laid into Sesame Street though.
[00:54]	starstreak_win311	helenah - daemonfc isn't as smart as loner, hes no programmer
[00:54]	Helenah	XRevan86: Oh
[00:54]	loner	it's only minor pronounciation and transcription errors, and those are anything but arbitrary
[00:54]	DaemonFC	The groomers took it over.
[00:54]	MinceR	the axe-men, led by Charles Francis Xavier
[00:55]	DaemonFC	<starstreak_win311> helenah - daemonfc isn't as smart as loner, hes no programmer
[00:55]	loner	and it's consistent with the related mythologies of that era
[00:55]	XRevan86	Helenah: loner's original language is German, as ye can see by "Alex" and "Herz".
[00:55]	Helenah	#techrights = bottle of weird peeps
[00:55]	DaemonFC	I can pick apart a Linux kernel or distribution. I've done it before.
[00:55]	Helenah	:D
[00:55]	XRevan86	* "Axel"
[00:55]	starstreak_win311	helenah: did you really run styleometry on daemonfc and loner?
[00:55]	DaemonFC	It doesn't really interest me now.
[00:55]	MinceR	bottle?
[00:55]	Helenah	starstreak_win311: Yes
[00:55]	Helenah	I see a difference now.
[00:56]	XRevan86	Helenah: So that's freak linguistics in action pretty much. I don't even have to do anything.
[00:56]	starstreak_win311	helenah: i already think daemonfc is a troll designed to make the channel look bad, i wouldn't be surprised if loner and daemonfc were the same person
[00:56]	DaemonFC	The only things loner seems to do regularly are (1) talk about how much he hates living in Germany and (2) how much anything added to Linux this century is awful.
[00:56]	loner	meaning, this, in Leipzig an oldest of ancient greek dialects was conserved, and destroyed
[00:56]	XRevan86	Helenah: And it's *impossible* to reason with him.
[00:56]	Helenah	XRevan86: Yep just like DaemonFC 
[00:56]	DaemonFC	If you replace Germany with Hungary, you've got MinceR 
[00:56]	Helenah	Then the monologues and unrelated shit just like DaemonFC 
[00:57]	Helenah	Then some personality traits, just like DaemonFC 
[00:57]	loner	some years ago, the Nebra Sky Disk was found close nearby Leipzig
[00:57]	Helenah	and a pile of other things just like DaemonFC 
[00:57]	Helenah	Then there is a few differences that separate them apart.
[00:57]	Helenah	*are
[00:57]	XRevan86	That's a pretty generic comparison.
[00:58]	loner	i think the sky disk is the artifact of the Atlas myth, Herkules carrying the globe on his shoulders, which was the astrological artifact
[00:58]	loner	and i think, Atlantis wasn't drowning in the oceans, it was drowning in heavy snow-fall
[00:58]	Helenah	See?!
[00:58]	loner	which is common in northern europe
[00:58]	Helenah	starstreak_win311: So yeah
[00:58]	Helenah	I ran that
[00:59]	starstreak_win311	Helenah - good job
[00:59]	DaemonFC	It seems that "German reunification" just smashed together two entirely different cultures where the West German government proceeded to treat the former East Germans as a defeated colony.
[00:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 17.11 k/sec., IPFS upstream 138.90 average k/sec., average swarm size 114.40
[00:59]	loner	DaemonFC: those "west germans" are not germans
[00:59]	loner	this government is merely an "atlantic bridge" washington minion
[00:59]	MinceR	sounds like i'll have to start writing explanations for why every single word in english comes from hungarian
● Aug 30
[01:00]	loner	established after 1945, to dictate the entire industry and news and media
[01:00]	XRevan86	DaemonFC: If loner is your test subject, then I'd like you to throw that judgement away.
[01:00]	Helenah	"I don't like the way English tastes on my tongue, that is why I am using sign language with you because you do not understand Punjabi"
[01:01]	DaemonFC	<XRevan86> DaemonFC: If loner is your test subject, then I'd like you to throw that judgement away.
[01:01]	DaemonFC	His government is incompetent and full of traitors, but apparently is the result of elections.
[01:01]	DaemonFC	I don't see how that's much worse than it is in most allegedly democratic countries these days.
[01:02]	DaemonFC	It's going to be an agonizing winter in much of Europe because of the natural gas problem.
[01:03]	DaemonFC	And Germany in particular had nuclear power and decommissioned it to buy gas from Putin.
[01:03]	DaemonFC	Which is idiotic and treacherous.
[01:04]	Helenah	FUCK THIS SHIT, LETS GET NUMB! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FrOQC-zEog
[01:04]	TR Bot	https://invidious.weblibre.org/watch?v=_FrOQC-zEog
[01:04]	TR Bot	invidious.weblibre.org | Pink Floyd - Comfortably numb - Invidious
[01:04]	DaemonFC	In fact, one of the first things the West German government did once it had expanded was shut down a perfectly good nuclear power plant which had already been built, probably at great cost, saying it "didn't meet safety requirements".
[01:04]	DaemonFC	It would be great to have that now, wouldn't it?
[01:05]	DaemonFC	How many homes could you have heated this winter with a nuclear power plant?
[01:05]	Helenah	DaemonFC: Would you rather be irradicated by a meltdown that could happen?
[01:05]	DaemonFC	And they have these same fucking stupid idiots like the Democrats.
[01:05]	Helenah	Regardless of cost, it's good that they have safety requirements in place for such facilities.
[01:05]	DaemonFC	Where they're like solar and wind.
[01:05]	DaemonFC	Which are not consistent or reliable.
[01:05]	Helenah	solar and wind is good though...
[01:05]	DaemonFC	Or cheap for that matter.
[01:05]	loner	^ Greifswald nuclear facility, for example, although i do _not_ know if it met any safety requirements
[01:05]	Helenah	It isn't perfect
[01:05]	Helenah	but you gotta start somewhere with it...
[01:06]	DaemonFC	And nobody recycles solar cells or the wind turbine blades.
[01:06]	Helenah	I just agree with what David Bellamy says
[01:06]	DaemonFC	They just break them down and put them in a dump.
[01:06]	loner	too, after 1990, the entire semiconductor manufacturing was destroyed
[01:06]	DaemonFC	Like idiots!
[01:06]	DaemonFC	Because that's who puts solar and wind turbines in. An idiot!
[01:06]	Helenah	I just think you don't support solar and wind...
[01:07]	starstreak_win311	nuclear power is badass af
[01:07]	loner	solar and wind turbines cannot compensate for nuclear shutdown
[01:07]	DaemonFC	Nobody would put them in except for the government lemon socialism going on with anything deemed "clean", which goes to a landfill after generating expensive and unreliable power.
[01:07]	loner	that's a trivial fact
[01:07]	Helenah	and you'll use any bad thing that's happened with it to justify you not supporting it.
[01:07]	Helenah	There are cons to it yes
[01:07]	loner	solar and wind turbines aren't "renewable" nor "clean" either
[01:07]	Helenah	And there are cons to the people building these farms
[01:07]	DaemonFC	Even the people running Illinois aren't stupid enough to decommission our nuclear plants.
[01:07]	Helenah	loner: Yeah
[01:07]	Helenah	solar is toxic to make and recycle
[01:07]	Helenah	the panels
[01:08]	Helenah	that's a con
[01:08]	loner	wind turbines required a dozen ton of steel each, and solar panels require glas coating which is expensive to produce
[01:08]	Helenah	But I don't think we should be outright calling those technologies shitty.
[01:08]	starstreak_win311	loner and daemonfc agree, big surprise there
[01:08]	loner	however, worst of it, solar and wind turbines do not deliver anything anywhere close to what's advertised
[01:08]	loner	meaning, even if you want solar and wind turbines, it simply doesn't work as intended
[01:09]	Helenah	loner: You do realise that at any given time they aren't gonna give the same energy output, right?
[01:09]	loner	and the government wasted trillions of subsidizies for it
[01:09]	Helenah	and what is advertised would be a "maximum output"
[01:09]	starstreak_win311	trillions? lol
[01:09]	loner	Helenah: there is almost none of it, energy
[01:09]	Helenah	loner: Tell that to the facilities I've kept eyes on then.
[01:09]	starstreak_win311	confirmed! DaemonFC and loner are the same troll...
[01:09]	Helenah	Who are successfully powering their buildings using solar
[01:09]	loner	starstreak_win311: yes, the subsidizies were introduced year ~2000 and since then total "eco energy taxation" and "renewable susbidies" sum up to a trillion euros and more
[01:10]	Helenah	and even saving costs on their mains electricity
[01:10]	Helenah	It actually works...
[01:10]	DaemonFC	starstreak_win311 ran version on me.
[01:10]	Helenah	starstreak_win311: Told you
[01:10]	starstreak_win311	lol
[01:10]	DaemonFC	It's doubtful that loner is running Fedora 36 with HexChat.
[01:10]	Helenah	my brain automatically does these analysis
[01:10]	Helenah	starstreak_win311: ^
[01:10]	starstreak_win311	daemonfc - and?
[01:11]	Helenah	How do you think I figured out DaemonFC on day one being here?!
[01:11]	starstreak_win311	daemonfc ran version on me multiple times
[01:11]	Helenah	Cause my brain went into analysing mode with DaemonFC's behaviour fed into it.
[01:11]	starstreak_win311	oh i pissed off daemonfc/loner
[01:11]	Helenah	and when loner's behaviour was fed into it, it did a pattern match.
[01:12]	Helenah	And BAM
[01:12]	Helenah	I told you guys...
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[01:12]	Helenah	the findings
[01:12]	starstreak	daemonfc is mad: https://i.imgur.com/bDAiHfF.png
[01:13]	Helenah	Damn
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[01:14]	starstreak_win311	he now knows that im running 16-bit mIRC
[01:14]	Helenah	So what do you think of my abilities then?
[01:14]	Helenah	starstreak_win311: lol
[01:15]	starstreak_win311	:)
[01:15]	starstreak_win311	mIRC 5.31 16-bit :D
[01:16]	DaemonFC	You know that there are ways to make that version crash remotely, right?
[01:16]	DaemonFC	Or worse.
[01:16]	Helenah	"mIRC16 v5.31 K.Mardam-Bey"
[01:17]	Helenah	DaemonFC: Prove it.
[01:17]	starstreak_win311	yeah prove it
[01:17]	Helenah	Not with a monologue, that's not proof
[01:17]	Helenah	Do it
[01:17]	starstreak_win311	im using dosbox-x, so go for it
[01:17]	Helenah	Show how easy it is to crash starstreak_win311's client.
[01:17]	starstreak_win311	crash my vm
[01:17]	Helenah	lol
[01:17]	Helenah	Yeah, even better!
[01:17]	Helenah	Crash starstreak_win311's VM too if you can.
[01:18]	starstreak_win311	my dosbox-x is running MS-DOS 6.22 and Windows 3.11 for workgroups
[01:18]	Helenah	DaemonFC: So when are you going to do it? Helloooooooo?!
[01:19]	starstreak_win311	im saying daemonfc and loner are the same and now he wants to maliciously crash me after doing version over 10 times
[01:19]		*Helenah knocks on DaemonFC's scalp
[01:19]	Helenah	nini
[01:19]		*Helenah kissies all
[01:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[01:20]	starstreak_win311	kissed by a pretty girl <3
[01:20]	starstreak_win311	if i get a blue screen i'll legit take a screenshot to prove daemonfc is a badass
[01:21]	loner	anyway, another 4hours to re-compile my distro to remove all ALSA from it
[01:21]	starstreak_win311	lol loner
[01:21]	loner	that's how much time i got to waste now
[01:21]	loner	and then i'll test audio with OSS/libsdl1
[01:21]	starstreak_win311	loner - when you're not giving me a BSOD
[01:22]	loner	starstreak_win311: you could try with my client
[01:22]	loner	i tell you what it is: catgirl irc client statically linked, using bearssl-libtls
[01:22]	loner	so, you can skip the ctcp version query
[01:23]	loner	my irc client doesn't respond to this
[01:23]	starstreak_win311	fair enough
[01:23]	starstreak_win311	im not trying to haxx0r you
[01:23]	loner	two days ago i found another problem related to tor/proxychains, which made me think
[01:23]	starstreak_win311	loner is daemonfc and he is also matey
[01:24]	starstreak_win311	attack surface!
[01:25]	starstreak_win311	Helenah - can you run a styleometry search on the techrights irc logs to find out if DaemonFC and loner are also matey?
[01:26]	loner	i am not related to any of them, matey nor DaemonFC 
[01:27]	starstreak_win311	someone who was all 3 would say the same thing
[01:28]	loner	anyway, the OSS/ALSA issue, that's what i was thinking recently, is another prime example of anti-competitive practices with linux-kernel involved
[01:29]	loner	because, OSS was GPLed iirc, nonetheless linux-kernel forked with ALSA
[01:29]	loner	and in userspace, ALSA got other issues, which are reason enough for me, to remove it there
[01:29]	starstreak_win311	loner, alsa,pulseaudio and pipewire are all free software
[01:30]	loner	/dev/snd and /proc/asound are still exposed, however i won't use these anymore in userspace
[01:30]	starstreak_win311	don't mess with crazy
[01:30]	starstreak_win311	thats something my ex-wife said
[01:30]	starstreak_win311	she was crazy too
[01:33]	XRevan86	starstreak: loner did say he's O.K. with not having sound, so I guess he's not losing much by removing everything that makes sound possible.
[01:33]	XRevan86	And by replacing it with something that's barely functioning.
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[01:34]	starstreak_win311	xrevan86 - alsa came out about 20 years ago, it must be a conspiracy
[01:34]	loner	i'll know soon enough, if libsdl1/oss suffice for some audio...
[01:35]	starstreak_win311	loner - why not run BSD?
[01:35]	loner	got no time currently to test the midi keyboard with timidity and oss... it should be possible too
[01:35]	loner	starstreak_win311: llvm/clang
[01:35]	loner	anyway, the other issue i stumbled upon with tor/proxychains was noteworthy too
[01:36]	loner	such as, when i wrapped w3m or links browser into proxychains (which does LD_PRELOAD), then w3m and links browser didn't terminate their process when quitting the programs
[01:37]	loner	since i removed proxychains and proxify with redsocks proxy... this problem disappeared
[01:37]	loner	meaning, with proxychains/LD_PRELOAD involved for tor proxy, links browser and w3m kept dozens of zombi processes when quitting the browsers
[01:38]	starstreak_win311	helenah - you're 100% correct
[01:38]	loner	and finally, this problem is solved too, since i disposed proxychains
[01:39]	loner	then i noticed, for the sake of it i wanted to statically link w3m and links browser... fail
[01:39]	loner	it's only lynx browser which could be linked statically
[01:40]	loner	a static w3m segfaulted, and links browser failed ruing configure phase, which i wasn't willing to debug yet
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[01:40]	loner	*during
[01:40]	loner	one day, i want to statically link all binaries with my distro
[01:41]	loner	another reason, to remove alsa-lib, which i had problems with to create a static libasound.a
[01:42]	XRevan86	Ariadne: Hi, if ye're here, just curious, do ye have any experience with OSSv{3,4}?
[01:42]	Helenah	starstreak_win311: Thank you and yes I can.
[01:42]	Helenah	I'm not sure why I'm awake.
[01:44]	XRevan86	For instance, does the OSS API have any limitations on what kind of sound it can accept? How well does the mixing work?
[01:45]	Helenah	Fuck sake my Naproxen gave me mottled skin on one of my thighs.... I think...
[01:45]	Helenah	Like I've had this mottled skin for 2 weeks now...
[01:45]	Helenah	lol
[01:45]	Helenah	and I'm blaming the Naproxen cause I googled around and one thing it could be that was said is NSAID use.
[01:46]	XRevan86	https://r.nf/r/linux/comments/8u0zg/pulse/c0afggs/ Stumbled upon this.
[01:46]	TR Bot	 TL;DR PulseAudio is bad (horribile latency) we need OSSv4 - r/linux
[01:46]	XRevan86	2009 stuff.
[01:46]	psydruid	ALSA shouldn't even exist, but they felt too good about themselves to ever drop it
[01:46]	XRevan86	> Combine that "simple" open()-API, with the poor hardware support, and no suspend/resume, OSS as a platform doesn't seem all that attractive at all.
[01:46]	XRevan86	No suspend/resume?
[01:47]	Helenah	lol
[01:47]	loner	i wouldn't need any more than a stereo playback channel, and some MIDI support
[01:48]	loner	and i had not removed ALSA, if there wasn't some other issues with it
[01:48]	XRevan86	"and some MIDI support" <- Uh
[01:48]	loner	i mean i remove ALSA support from userspace, with a kernel patch it should be simple to remove /proc/asound and /dev/snd nodes too
[01:48]	XRevan86	> 2009: ALSA also provides great MIDI support, complete with the ability to synchronize the digital output with the MIDI output. Doing this in OSS requires again, more contortions and difficulties.
[01:48]	XRevan86	From the same link.
[01:49]	loner	i don't intend to compare or compete with ALSA, i want to remove support for it
[01:49]	loner	static linking problems with alsa-lib, the symbol-versioning clutter inside alsa-lib...
[01:50]	loner	ALSA isn't portable among linux/bsd... away with it
[01:50]	XRevan86	loner: Well, for MIDI ye'll need JACKd I guess.
[01:51]	loner	XRevan86: i would have preferred to keep jack-audio, however jack1 (written in C) isn't supported anymore, and jack2 is written in c++
[01:51]	loner	away with it
[01:51]	XRevan86	loner: So away with MIDI.
[01:51]	Helenah	Dude....
[01:51]	loner	jackd was/is not necessary for MIDI
[01:52]	XRevan86	Yes, ALSA has an interface too.
[01:52]	Helenah	You're redundantly doing away with jack... you'll never see the C++ side of it unless you mess with the code...
[01:52]	loner	i don't accept the available compilers for c++
[01:52]	Helenah	It's just a compiler for a bit or a lot of C++ code...
[01:52]	loner	i have no problem if any of this is supported elsewhere, just saying i am not willing to
[01:53]	Helenah	What's your problem with the available C++ compilers?
[01:53]	loner	it's the entire toolchain i am having problems with, that many, i am not willing to accept neither GNU toolchain nor LLVM anymore
[01:54]	Helenah	Which problems?
[01:54]	Helenah	Damn why do people give such vague responses to questions that due to the vagueness don't even answer it?
[01:54]	loner	that many i don't know where to begin anymore to count them all
[01:54]	Helenah	Might as well just not talk at all...
[01:54]	Helenah	loner: So why not just say that then...
[01:55]	loner	the removal of GNU toolchain and LLVM too is a precaution, to identify the trouble-makers
[01:55]	Helenah	Damn I don't understand humans sometimes...
[01:55]	Helenah	loner: Ah
[01:56]	loner	meaning tcc-toolchain integration revealed that much dirt with GNU and LLVM, i got an overlay of 300 ebuilds already
[01:56]	Helenah	I think your problems with the compilers don't even exist or you don't even check to see if they apply to the particular thing you're needing to compile...
[01:56]	loner	and currently, i haven't got neither a libc nor a kernel anymore which would pass with tcc-toolchain
[01:57]	loner	that's two exceptions remaining, with libc i do need AS=binutils-as still, and with linux kernel there is a lot of work remaining to do
[01:57]	Helenah	Like I've used GNU/Linux since 2005, I've been compiling for YEARS now, I have never landed into a problem with a compiler...
[01:57]	Helenah	When a problem has occured it has always been something I've done or the developer of the software I'm compiling has done...
[01:57]	Helenah	Ie I haven't installed a dependancy.
[01:57]	loner	you don't know what you're talking about
[01:58]	Helenah	No, I do know what I'm talking about but you won't stop giving vague responses, you'll talk about this and you go "Oh the list of issues is too long to explain"
[01:58]	Helenah	...
[01:59]	loner	currently, the worst show-stopper is this: there isn't any libc which could be assembled with AS=arm-tcc
[01:59]	loner	all libc contain alot of aarch32 asm which doesn't pass
[01:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.36 k/sec., IPFS upstream 143.50 average k/sec., average swarm size 111.23
[01:59]	Helenah	Now this is more like it, you are talking a bit more in-depth!
[01:59]	loner	in comparison to alsa-lib, which had issues with tcc-toolchain, libc cannot be removed/replaced with anything
[01:59]	loner	already told what some problems are with ALSA, and why i drop support for it
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[02:00]	Helenah	hmm
[02:01]	loner	however, ALSA is just one example of many (my overlay contains 300 ebuilds already)
[02:02]	loner	nonetheless, given the entire sound-system of Linux depends on it... even when jackd/pulseaudio whatever are involved
[02:02]	loner	in the end, i do remove all support for ALSA
[02:02]	loner	discuss.
[02:02]	Helenah	loner: How come you and DaemonFC rarely talk at the same time yet you both share the same patterns and claim to not be DaemonFC?
[02:02]	Helenah	It's like someone kicking their ball at my window, I state fact to them, they got the ball in my hand and they still go "It wasn't me"
[02:02]	Helenah	starstreak_win311: ^
[02:02]	loner	Helenah, DaemonFC often talks about problems he has in Chicago/USA, i am nowhere near that place
[02:03]	loner	too i am talking about different topics than him
[02:03]	Helenah	s/my/their
[02:03]	loner	and i do reject him bashing mjg59_ regularly
[02:03]	Helenah	loner: I know he does and you talk about programming.
[02:04]	loner	DaemonFC does complain about UEFI and wants it to support booting linux, I am instead refusing UEFI entirely
[02:04]	starstreak	schestowitz[TR], daemonfc and loner(activelow) seem to be the same person
[02:04]	loner	i am not at least willing to accept any UEFI support anywhere inside kernel/boot-loader
[02:04]	loner	furthremore, i do not object to mjg59_ and FSF supporting UEFI, i only object to having UEFI imposed onto any system i am using
[02:06]	loner	while DaemonFC argues to block some javascript with any of the shitware browsers (malware execution runtime environments such as Chrome,Webkit,Mozilla)
[02:06]	loner	i did REMOVE all of those, i reject all of them, chrome,webkit,mozilla
[02:07]	DaemonFC	This new Mozilla is almost unrecognizable.
[02:07]	DaemonFC	When you give up and accept that the competitors are stealing your users, because they're paying you, and you've also outsourced all of your infrastructure to them....
[02:08]	loner	the most recent one of the hitlist of free shitware: ALSA
[02:08]	loner	and since when i remove all support for this, no need to discuss pulseaudio/pipewire/jack or whatever else
[02:08]	DaemonFC	The other major Web browsers are even worse than Firefox.
[02:09]	DaemonFC	GULAG jut dumped two more super cookie "features" into Chrome.
[02:09]	DaemonFC	Vivaldi turns most of this crap off.
[02:10]	starstreak_win311	vivaldi is commercial
[02:10]	loner	lynx browser is the only one which i could statically compile/link btw.
[02:10]	DaemonFC	Yet oddly the default install doesn't have as much shit to turn off if you don't want it to drive you crazy as Firefox does.
[02:10]	loner	static linking is just another acceptance criteria, an optional one... not at least w3m nor links passed that one
[02:10]	Helenah	starstreak_win311: Not schestowitz[TR] 
[02:11]	DaemonFC	Firefox isn't commercial?
[02:11]	DaemonFC	Firefox runs commercials now.
[02:11]	DaemonFC	"Suggest" is a keylogger.
[02:11]	DaemonFC	"Pocket" is adware.
[02:11]	loner	Mozilla was funded with hundreds of millions of google shitcoins
[02:11]	loner	that's "non-profit" of theirs
[02:12]	Helenah	DaemonFC: Depends if it is logging keys or an entire input. :)
[02:12]	starstreak_win311	daemonfc also says shitcoins
[02:12]	DaemonFC	Mozilla dumped a lot of resources adding malware and adware for pennies, and then the bottom fell out of the advertising market.
[02:12]	Helenah	starstreak_win311: Told you
[02:12]	Helenah	I worked this out a while ago, said nothing.
[02:12]	DaemonFC	And most of their "partners" are laying off half or even all of the people who work there.
[02:12]	Helenah	It wasn't until now I pointed it out.
[02:12]	starstreak_win311	Helenah - i agree with you
[02:13]	starstreak_win311	DaemonFC and loner are the same person
[02:13]	AdmFubar	https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/08/chinese-propose-to-build-a-dam-with-a-distributed-3d-printer/
[02:13]	Helenah	schestowitz[TR] however is a different person.
[02:13]	TR Bot	 Chinese propose to build a dam with a distributed 3D printer | Ars Technica
[02:13]	XRevan86	starstreak: They're not.
[02:13]	starstreak_win311	Helenah: i was trying to tell schestowitz that they were the same
[02:13]	Helenah	XRevan86: Got any proof? Or maybe they have the same personality! :D
[02:13]	Helenah	starstreak_win311: Ah
[02:14]	starstreak_win311	he runs the irc server, he can probably check the IP addresses
[02:14]	XRevan86	Helenah: DaemonFC is from the US, activelow is from Germany.
[02:14]	DaemonFC	All he'd get are VPN servers that lead back to nowhere.
[02:14]	XRevan86	DaemonFC is not even anonymous, he's Ryan.
[02:14]	Helenah	XRevan86: the person has different interests and identities for each persona
[02:14]	Helenah	I noticed this a while ago
[02:14]	Helenah	That doesn't mean they're not the same.
[02:15]	XRevan86	Helenah: I can read activelow like a book.
[02:15]	Helenah	Too many variables match while some don't, the ones I mentioned don't match.
[02:15]		*Helenah googles
[02:15]		*starstreak_win311 slaps loner around a bit with a large trout
[02:16]	AdmFubar	would you trust them with your passwords??? https://www.darkreading.com/cloud/lastpass-data-breach-source-code-stolen
[02:16]	TR Bot	 LastPass Suffers Data Breach, Source Code Stolen
[02:16]	XRevan86	Helenah: And I've known both for long enough. DaemonFC for longer.
[02:16]	Helenah	I can not finding any definition called "activelow" which relates to what they are talking about XRevan86.
[02:16]	Helenah	*find
[02:17]	XRevan86	Helenah: activelow is the original nickname of loner in this channel.
[02:17]	Helenah	oh
[02:17]	loner	i never had any "original" nickname
[02:17]	starstreak_win311	DaemonFC still has not "hacked" my win311 vm
[02:17]	loner	in fact, i was completely absent from IRC everywhere for more than a decade
[02:17]	Helenah	My brain gets confused with all the 21st century definitions. :D
[02:17]	DaemonFC	The adware is actually costing Firefox money.
[02:17]	XRevan86	loner: Until when?
[02:18]	DaemonFC	They developed it and put it in and maintain it as it chases users out that Google would have kept paying for searches from.
[02:18]	loner	XRevan86: year 2005-2016 ... no IRC, none of it
[02:18]	DaemonFC	Brilliant strategy, really.
[02:18]	loner	year 2016 i joined with freenode, until they wrecked my account there
[02:18]	Helenah	loner: No, you had an original nickname, we all did.
[02:18]	XRevan86	loner: Obviously I meant the nickname with which ye have joined this channel.
[02:18]	XRevan86	the first time
[02:19]	loner	besides, neither freenode nor libera are, how should i say, i think there's operators of channels who shouldn't have any authority over
[02:19]	DaemonFC	I think I was on Freenode from like 2004 to right after the Crown Prince took it over.
[02:19]	Helenah	Freenode (pre-Libera at least) don't simply touch NickServ accounts, they only do if you break their terms of use.
[02:19]	loner	Mr. Lee got no word to say on Libera i think, doesn't change anything as far as i am concerned
[02:19]	XRevan86	https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1564403348035588097
[02:19]	TR Bot	Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Meanwhile in Russia: state TV pundits warn that the delegation from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) may covertly place mines at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, but there is so much more happening in this clip, even some criticism of the gov't. Awkward moments."|nitter.it
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[02:20]	loner	i am still on OFTC though, they didn't wreck my account yet
[02:20]	DaemonFC	Andrew Lee declared that he was seceding from reality and so was Freenode.
[02:20]	DaemonFC	It's a digital sovereign state where laws don't apply.
[02:20]	Helenah	DaemonFC, loner, Please send a sentence at the same time.
[02:21]	Helenah	I am still getting matched patterns.
[02:21]	starstreak_win311	Helenah: +1
[02:22]	XRevan86	Both like to rant.
[02:22]	XRevan86	Doesn't make them the same person.
[02:22]	Helenah	XRevan86: It isn't merely the ranting, there are a LOT more variables than just ranting.
[02:22]	Helenah	I already stated all this.
[02:22]	Helenah	and what those variables are.
[02:23]	XRevan86	Helenah: What value does that have when they rant about completely different life experiences?
[02:23]	XRevan86	DaemonFC uses GNOME, activelow is thinking how to remove as many modules from Linux as possible.
[02:23]	Helenah	Anyone can create two different personas and rant about different things and even try to portray separate personalities from each other, that does not make them different people.
[02:24]	Helenah	even separate identities from each other.
[02:24]	loner	XRevan86: i try to salvage as much as possible; GNOME can't be.
[02:24]	Helenah	And if you would like me to, I will prove the doability of this tomorrow.
[02:25]	DaemonFC	If we're the same person, then we have dissociative identity disorder.
[02:25]	loner	i couldn't at least salvage GTK2 anymore, sadly
[02:25]	DaemonFC	He doesn't even use capitalization or punctuation the same way I do.
[02:25]	Helenah	DaemonFC: Then you might as well say I have DID too considering I've offered to prove the dual-persona thing.
[02:25]	loner	i mean, it's possible to retain GTK2/3, and i got a system-profile with this included archived
[02:26]	loner	however, i am not willing to compromise, with some technical details of GTK/GNOME
[02:26]	Helenah	DaemonFC: With the dual-persona thing, separate punctuality is possible
[02:26]	Helenah	separate personalities is possible
[02:26]	Helenah	separate interests is possible
[02:26]	Helenah	separate identities (including location) is possible
[02:26]	XRevan86	Helenah: Can one personality live in Illinois and the other somewhere in Germany?
[02:26]	DaemonFC	Okay, maybe one of my personas is mjg59_.
[02:26]	loner	currently, i am not at least willing to keep GNU-toolchain anymore (gcc/binutils)
[02:26]	Helenah	XRevan86: They can "claim" to.
[02:26]	DaemonFC	You can't prove that one of them isn't crazier than I am.
[02:27]	XRevan86	Helenah: DaemonFC talks a lot about his family, all American.
[02:27]	Helenah	I don't believe you are both mjg59_ 
[02:27]	XRevan86	activelow's origins are in Leipzig, Saxony.
[02:27]	Helenah	XRevan86: A dual-persona situation could produce that result.
[02:27]	loner	XRevan86: that's the place, too i am from another _time_
[02:28]	XRevan86	loner: Sure ye are.
[02:28]	loner	it's hurting my feelings that much, what they did to my homeland
[02:28]	loner	i wouldn't want to see anymore
[02:28]	Helenah	Well I did say I would prove it tomorrow so... choice is yours.
[02:29]	loner	too it's an insult, when it's still labeled as Leipzig, it's not the same place anymore, and not the same people either
[02:30]	XRevan86	https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Flag_of_Leipzig.svg Cool flag though.
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[02:37]		*psydruid believes this channel is now ruled by insanity
[02:37]	starstreak_win311	lol
[02:38]	AdmFubar	or bots
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[02:42]	Helenah	AdmFubar: I sound like a bot?
[02:42]	starstreak	Helenah, the prettiest bot ever
[02:42]	Helenah	starstreak: I am! :D
[02:42]	Helenah	<3
[02:43]	starstreak	<3
[02:44]	AdmFubar	that is something a bot would say...
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[02:45]	XRevan86	psydruid: The insanity is left unchecked.
[02:46]	Helenah	AdmFubar: That is something a human would say.
[02:46]	XRevan86	I can keep calling out activelow but that has a limited effect. At least people recognise him for the nutjob that he is, wasn't always the case.
[02:47]	Helenah	XRevan86: Pattern matching.
[02:49]	XRevan86	Helenah: No, just reading what he writes occasionally.
[02:50]	Helenah	XRevan86: Who?
[02:50]	XRevan86	Helenah: activelow
[02:50]	Helenah	XRevan86: You read activelow's messages occasionally?
[02:51]	XRevan86	Helenah: Is that too strange?
[02:51]	Helenah	I was trying to interpret what you was meaning as you was very vague and I was struggling to understand. That is not strange nor is it strange.
[02:53]	XRevan86	Helenah: The context is insanity in this channel, activelow is the most insane person here, and whose case is the main part of the discussion.
[02:54]	Helenah	XRevan86: Yes that is correct.
[02:54]	Helenah	Nini.
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[03:00]	XRevan86	DaemonFC derives his judgement from his life experiences, so there's always attachment to reality, misjudged or not.
[03:00]	XRevan86	activelow's connection to reality is very thin if present at all.
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[03:02]	XRevan86	What he sees as the past is complete fiction and his activities are making Don Quijote blush.
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[03:04]	XRevan86	Helenah: They do have one thing in common: an egocentric worldview.
[03:06]	Helenah	Why am I awake?
[03:06]	XRevan86	But in one's case it's like he's planning to write an autobiography, and for some reason he's drafting it here, and in another's it means that everything in this world is defined through German.
[03:07]	XRevan86	and that everything that doesn't fulfill his weird needs is made by the enemy
[03:07]	Helenah	Ah
[03:07]	Helenah	Noticed that.
[03:07]	Helenah	Ages ago
[03:08]	XRevan86	~Working title: Life of Ryan~
[03:08]	loner	XRevan86: the language isn't spoken anymore
[03:08]	loner	what you're referring to with german must be something else
[03:09]	XRevan86	loner: The language that has the word "Herz" in it.
[03:09]	DaemonFC	In some ways I am a horrible person.
[03:10]	DaemonFC	When I see a homeless person walking towards my car in the morning, I don't stop and think about it too much.
[03:10]	DaemonFC	I say to myself, "nope nope nope" and if the light doesn't change fast enough, I turn right and then zag later to get where I'm going.
[03:11]	DaemonFC	I suppose it's not a horrible thing to do from one angle of it. Psychologically, it's better to err on the side of caution, even when other people might think you're kind of a dick.
[03:12]	DaemonFC	When you see a stick that looks like a deadly snake, you don't stop and stare at it, a normal person jumps out of the way. Usually, jumping out of the way is a safer response than doing nothing and taking more time to assess the situation.
[03:12]	DaemonFC	If it is a snake, you're dead. So even if 1-2 out of 100 times, it's a snake, and 98 or 99, it's a stick, you want to be out of the way when it's a snake.
[03:13]	DaemonFC	For the same reason, I hurry to get away from the pandhandlers and bums. 99 times they just want a dollar and will go away in any event.
[03:13]	DaemonFC	1 in 100 times, they pull a gun on you and order you out of the car.
[03:13]	DaemonFC	Do you want to be a dick or do you want to at least be alive 100/100 times?
[03:14]	XRevan86	DaemonFC: If ye're really reflecting on this, find out where the nearest shelters are and help the homeless find their way there, maybe with a booklet.
[03:14]	DaemonFC	What am I going to do about homelessness? If I give them a dollar, they'll still be homeless. They'll ask everyone else they come across for a dollar, and then they'll spend the dollars at a liquor store or something.
[03:15]	DaemonFC	If I give them all my dollars, I have no dollars and I become homeless and there's still as many homeless as if I kept all my dollars.
[03:15]	XRevan86	DaemonFC: Again, what ye have and the homeless typically don't is access to information, that can help more.
[03:15]	DaemonFC	If I vote, then no matter how the election goes, the politicians will do the same thing. Not take care of the homeless and give the cops plenty of money to beat them up and terrorize them and burn their stuff.
[03:15]	DaemonFC	The world sucks. I know.
[03:16]	DaemonFC	<XRevan86> DaemonFC: Again, what ye have and the homeless typically don't is access to information, that can help more.
[03:17]	DaemonFC	Yeah, the politicians want most people in danger of becoming homeless so all they can do is spend all their time trying not to become homeless.
[03:17]	DaemonFC	The Democrats are worse though.
[03:17]		*XRevan86 don't know how that's connected.
[03:17]	DaemonFC	They jack up taxes and the cost of living, and they in turn have the most homeless.
[03:18]	Helenah	Why would the cops beat up a homeless person and burn their stuff? Are you sure that is not a "over-exaggeration"?
[03:18]	XRevan86	DaemonFC: There could be people who help homeless people, if ye want, ye can help them find each other.
[03:18]	XRevan86	All I'm saying.
[03:19]	Helenah	Or you can talk to them, maybe even hand them a crisis line to call.
[03:19]	Helenah	You don't have to put them up in a bedroom or on your couch.
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[03:20]	Helenah	There are lots of ways you can help homeless people that are not expensive to yourself.
[03:20]	Helenah	Even tell them a joke!
[03:21]	Helenah	It will be a laugh and giggle to them, cheer them up after the crap they have gone through living on the harsh streets.
[03:22]	Helenah	Sometimes just merely saying something is helpful.
[03:22]	starstreak	daemonfc is a republican so he hates everyone who isn't
[03:22]	Helenah	Even if it doesn't fix a root problem.
[03:22]	XRevan86	starstreak: He actually isn't.
[03:22]	XRevan86	But I won't attempt to describe what he is.
[03:23]	Helenah	XRevan86: An Autobiography writer?
[03:23]	XRevan86	Helenah: Politically :)
[03:23]	Helenah	A monologue producer?
[03:23]	Helenah	lol
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[03:56]	XRevan86	loner: Ye know, ye should study another language, like Spanish.
[03:58]	Helenah	loner: Or maybe even Klingonese :3
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[04:00]	XRevan86	Helenah: No, he needs to learn a real language, and a non-Germanic one.
[04:01]	XRevan86	To jog his ability to learn, push it in the right direction away from self-learning self-reinforcing fantasies.
[04:02]	XRevan86	Learning a language is one way to do that.
[04:05]	DaemonFC	<starstreak> daemonfc is a republican so he hates everyone who isn't
[04:05]	DaemonFC	Who said that?
[04:06]	DaemonFC	Ever since Lyndon B. Satan's war on poverty, the poverty rate has stayed pretty much the same and the government has spent trillions on bullshit.
[04:07]	DaemonFC	I was talking with my mom just this evening about a woman she works with who is pregnant every year, and the guy is always in jail when she delivers the baby.
[04:08]	DaemonFC	And she only makes $15 an hour and bought a house and there's 3 kids and a 4th on the way. I told her, "Yeah, because while you're struggling to pay rent, all she has to do is breed and every time she pops out another unit, the government gives her another $10,000 in free shit every year, not counting the Head Start and public schools.".
[04:08]	DaemonFC	Why would you stop?
[04:09]	DaemonFC	With all of these open ended entitlement programs, every time she breeds, her quality of life goes up while everyone struggling to support her gets it worse each year.
[04:09]	loner	XRevan86: neither the Roman Catholic nor the Orthodox church need me to learn their language
[04:09]	loner	i leave it to them to falsify history and scripture
[04:09]	DaemonFC	They ought to cut everyone on welfare off at two and force them to take sterilization or a birth control shot to get their next 3 months of welfare.
[04:11]	XRevan86	loner: That's your answer to "learn any new language"?
[04:12]	DaemonFC	She's not even married to the guy, he just keeps getting her pregnant and going back to jail.
[04:12]	DaemonFC	Why are women attracted to these fucking losers?
[04:12]	Helenah	XRevan86: That is human beings for you.
[04:12]	XRevan86	loner: I did not mean Latin nor Greek, I'd rather advise against them in your case.
[04:12]	DaemonFC	Like every woman ever.
[04:12]	loner	spanish is a latin language
[04:13]	loner	however, why would i learn that?
[04:13]	DaemonFC	"I want a man who beats me and leaves me with another kid every time he goes to prison! HERRRR DERRR DOY!" -women
[04:13]	loner	XRevan86: i did learn Russian in school, and noone to talk to in 20years
[04:13]	loner	so what
[04:13]	DaemonFC	Not all of them, but definitely enough to make you go "Hmmm.".
[04:13]	Helenah	A picture for you guys. https://i.imgur.com/P1dfgGS.jpg
[04:14]	loner	and English is bad enough to erode terminology and soul of any language
[04:14]	XRevan86	loner: Find a language that can be used that is not Germanic.
[04:15]	XRevan86	loner: The goal is to tickle your brain, but use of language is the ultimate learning experience.
[04:15]	Helenah	I don't see any erosion with English, the dictionary hasn't been redefined.
[04:16]	Helenah	Nobody has gotten kids to do whatever they want with the English dictionary.
[04:16]	Helenah	You mean people use terminology wrong?
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[04:18]	loner	Helenah: i mean English lost too much of it's original heritage already
[04:19]	Helenah	Ah
[04:19]	DaemonFC	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Calloway#Legal_troubles,_health_problems_and_final_years_on_Sesame_Street
[04:19]	TR Bot	 Northern Calloway - Wikipedia
[04:19]	DaemonFC	Good god.
[04:19]	loner	Dutch/German/Scandinavian and too Russian languages retained some of it, which is absent in English
[04:19]	Helenah	All languages and former languages are on a path of evolvution.
[04:19]	loner	absent, or deformed
[04:19]	DaemonFC	"On the morning of September 19, 1980, Calloway was arrested in Nashville, Tennessee. He had been a guest in the home of Mary Stagaman, marketing director of the Tennessee Performing Arts Center, after performing there on the 13th. Calloway beat Stagaman with an iron, causing serious head and rib injuries.[8] He then fled into the suburbs of Nashville, where he smashed a plate glass window and storm door at one house and did extensive damage to 
[04:19]	DaemonFC	the interior of another, destroying the family's collection of fine crystal, smashing a television set, and breaking light bulbs with his bare hands.
[04:19]	DaemonFC	He also stole a backpack from a first grader, smashed a windshield with a rock, and stole a bag of herbicide from elderly resident Douglas Wright. Calloway spilled it on his body and was rolling on the ground and running around, at which point Wright attempted to hold Calloway at gunpoint and fired a warning shot at him, causing Calloway to dive to the ground and scream that he was shot. He then jumped up and washed his hands and face in the 
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[04:20]	DaemonFC	Wrights' birdbath before fleeing the scene, where witnesses reported him wearing only a Superman T-shirt. He was arrested after hiding out in a couple's garage, screaming, "Help! I'm David from Sesame Street and they're trying to kill me!"[9][10][11] The actor was taken to a mental hospital for examination. These events were not publicized, and Calloway was allowed to continue appearing on the show as he sought help."
[04:20]	Helenah	Dude...
[04:20]	Helenah	Yo
[04:20]	Helenah	People are talking...
[04:20]	XRevan86	If only English had grammatical gender, right?
[04:21]	DaemonFC	Yeah, Mr. GULAG also "patches" that out of Spanish I'm sure.
[04:21]	DaemonFC	By putting an x at the end.
[04:22]	Helenah	Gender pronouns, there was some person I knew
[04:22]	Helenah	who idk why
[04:23]	Helenah	assigned every damn pronoun under the sun to them
[04:23]	Helenah	and so it got too confusing when addressing them
[04:23]	Helenah	And would get mad at me each time I made mistakes so I fell out with them.
[04:23]	XRevan86	(pronouns are a different thing from grammatical gender)
[04:23]	Helenah	I don't deserve shit just from making an accidental mistake...
[04:23]	Helenah	XRevan86: I know
[04:23]	Helenah	lol
[04:24]	Helenah	I was just expressing something seems as we're onto identifying genders with language.
[04:24]	Helenah	I said that wrong but okies
[04:24]	XRevan86	Ironically, pronouns are a generalised way of addressing someone, but some people treat it as a second name.
[04:25]	Helenah	"second name", what?!
[04:25]	Helenah	o.O
[04:25]	Helenah	How is that possible?
[04:25]	Helenah	Helena She
[04:25]	Helenah	Hi I'm Helena She
[04:25]	Helenah	o.O
[04:25]	Helenah	Just doesn't seem right...
[04:25]	Helenah	lol
[04:25]	XRevan86	Helenah: I mean a specific label of a person.
[04:25]	Helenah	oh
[04:25]	Helenah	Thought still confusing me.
[04:25]	XRevan86	A unique marker.
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[04:25]		*Helenah itches
[04:26]	Helenah	Like...
[04:26]	Helenah	Hi, my pronoun is foo but foo is something not even documented?
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[04:27]	Helenah	You see that would make me make accidental mistakes in addressing a person...
[04:27]	loner	'After assimilation, a drone's race and gender become "irrelevant".'
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[04:27]	Helenah	But to get attacked for it I don't appreciate.
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[04:29]	Helenah	XRevan86: This person was doing it
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[04:29]	Helenah	Like one of the pronouns is "moo"
[04:29]	Helenah	moos and mooself
[04:29]	Helenah	Actually that's documented
[04:29]	Helenah	https://pronouny.xyz/pronouns/5ed98d7288ee54001537038f
[04:29]	TR Bot	 pronouns
[04:29]	Helenah	Then another friend who identifies as a cow uses those too.
[04:29]	XRevan86	Helenah: Now the question is, how is that functionally distinct from a name?
[04:30]	Helenah	Well a name is an identifier for an individual while a pronoun is like er....... idk how to describe it but it's not an identifier for an individual.
[04:31]	XRevan86	Helenah: But if a pronoun is this specific, how is it not identifying the individual?
[04:31]	schestowitz[TR]	humours is good
[04:31]	Helenah	XRevan86: Well it is in a way
[04:31]	schestowitz[TR]	but turning practical jokes into a new reality is not
[04:31]	schestowitz[TR]	*humour
[04:31]	Helenah	For example calling someone "she" says expresses the gender you think they are.
[04:31]	Helenah	them is gender neutral
[04:31]	Helenah	or used when talking of a group
[04:31]	schestowitz[TR]	them is plural
[04:32]	Helenah	yes
[04:32]	Helenah	It is
[04:32]	schestowitz[TR]	it makes languages more concise
[04:32]	schestowitz[TR]	some languages are gendered
[04:32]	schestowitz[TR]	and some contain both plural and gander
[04:32]	XRevan86	Helenah: But functionally pronouns are about addressing someone without knowing the name.
[04:32]	schestowitz[TR]	so one word can contain tense, gender, quantity
[04:32]	Helenah	XRevan86: Yes
[04:33]	XRevan86	Or as a shorter way to address.
[04:33]	Helenah	yeh
[04:33]	schestowitz[TR]	german combines many words as one
[04:33]	XRevan86	Although using a pronoun when someone is next to one can be considered impolite.
[04:33]	Helenah	And Dutch
[04:33]	XRevan86	Third person one that is.
[04:34]	Helenah	I still do it though XRevan86 
[04:34]	Helenah	Because of my mental health
[04:34]	Helenah	It can be difficult to erm...
[04:34]	Helenah	socialise when I'm battling against things like selective mutism
[04:34]	Helenah	and other anxiety stuff
[04:34]	Helenah	and so instead of saying "Paul is playing with a ball" I'd instead say "He is playing with a ball" despite being next to him.
[04:35]	Helenah	One can consider something in polite, doesn't mean impoliteness is what it is, that's how it's perceived.
[04:35]	Helenah	I am not being impolite, I am socialising to the best I can while struggling with mental related stuff and I'm a very polite person.
[04:35]	Helenah	according to my gf anyway
[04:36]	XRevan86	Anyway, literally no person in existence is going to ask a question "so who is moo?" because knowing that pronoun implies acquaintance.
[04:36]	Helenah	Which I agree on
[04:36]	XRevan86	May as well know the whole name.
[04:37]	Helenah	Except this person with (not joking here) a thousand pronouns...
[04:37]	Helenah	would change them per day
[04:37]	Helenah	then get mad at me, really grill me for it, when I kept slipping up daily...
[04:37]	Helenah	Really trying to enforce it, police me with it...
[04:37]	Helenah	Now that's not the sort of person I want to be around.
[04:37]	Helenah	And I'm not Anti-LGBT either
[04:38]	Helenah	I just don't want shit for no good reason...
[04:38]	XRevan86	So acquaintance is not even enough. Which is an even higher bar than with the actual name. That's the opposite of what pronouns are for.
[04:38]	Helenah	Agreed
[04:38]	Helenah	but try telling that to these people...
[04:38]	Helenah	Seriously, this person would get mad if I tried explaining my mistakes...
[04:38]	Helenah	Felt silenced...
[04:39]	Helenah	o.o
[04:39]	schestowitz[TR]	go-went-gone-going: tense
[04:39]	Helenah	It's like imagine if every day "The" was a different words, for example if one day it is "Cheese" and another day it is "Hamster" and so on
[04:39]	schestowitz[TR]	he/they/she=gender and plurality
[04:39]	Helenah	and so you got to correct your language daily
[04:39]	Helenah	You would STRUGGLE man!
[04:39]	schestowitz[TR]	languages have a reason for being how they are
[04:40]	schestowitz[TR]	some peopple are offended by linguistics
[04:40]	schestowitz[TR]	wonder what chmsky has to say about abuse of such words and attack on language 
[04:40]	schestowitz[TR]	this is his main (original) expertise
[04:40]	XRevan86	Languages can be molded but that should be done with respect to function.
[04:40]	Helenah	"offended" well good luck not using linguistics... soon struggle in the world...
[04:41]	Helenah	XRevan86: Agreed
[04:41]	Helenah	totally
[04:41]	Helenah	But...
[04:41]	schestowitz[TR]	chinese/mandarin has written concision
[04:41]	XRevan86	If that rule of thumb is not applied, that will lead to tension and misery.
[04:41]	Helenah	I would rather break the English language than have someone shout at me and chew my arms off.
[04:41]	schestowitz[TR]	some languages combine words and parts of words to make them concise
[04:41]	schestowitz[TR]	tense, gender, quantity
[04:41]	schestowitz[TR]	some people want to make languages worse
[04:42]	schestowitz[TR]	and less fuctional
[04:42]	schestowitz[TR]	because of lousy reasons
[04:42]	schestowitz[TR]	and that harms communication
[04:42]	Helenah	yep
[04:42]	XRevan86	Helenah: I think the right word is not "LGBT" but "mental" in this case.
[04:42]	Helenah	oh
[04:42]	Helenah	Well it is mental yes
[04:43]	Helenah	I mean it isn't normal behaviour to fly around hostility because someone addressed you incorrectly by accident.
[04:43]	Helenah	I mean if someone like kept calling me say Sarah each day I would eventually have something to say but if it's just a damn slip up then why would I give a damn...
[04:44]	XRevan86	Helenah: Your job is to assess if that person is a danger to society if they're aggressive.
[04:44]	Helenah	I wouldn't shout either
[04:44]	Helenah	I'd be calm...
[04:44]	Helenah	XRevan86: Yep
[04:44]	Helenah	incase it needs the police
[04:44]	Helenah	I was taught something but it applies to anywhere really
[04:44]	XRevan86	or pills
[04:45]	Helenah	"Who is responsible in the work place? Everyone"
[04:45]	Helenah	That's you, your employees, your manager...
[04:45]	schestowitz[TR]	technically you mighe be able to call RMS "Dick Stallman"
[04:45]	Helenah	The idea is like lets say an engineering workshop you should look around to make sure colleagues are fine
[04:45]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Yes.
[04:45]	Helenah	someone cuts their arm off you take responsibility by phoning ambulance and informing manager
[04:45]	Helenah	who also has to take responsibility
[04:46]	Helenah	if you know what I mean
[04:46]	Helenah	It applies outside in public too
[04:46]	XRevan86	Helenah: "act responsibly" != "take responsibility" though.
[04:47]	Helenah	True
[04:47]	Helenah	Good point
[04:47]	Helenah	that's was I mean
[04:47]	Helenah	I wanted to put someones cat down
[04:48]	Helenah	Its brain was hanging out and it was in the middle of the road still alive
[04:48]	Helenah	I wanted to suffocate it
[04:48]	Helenah	my gf was like "No, leave it, you don't want to be blamed for this by the owner"
[04:48]	Helenah	I cried... walking away...
[04:48]	Helenah	I just didn't wanna leave a creature suffering like that
[04:48]	Helenah	It haunts me still to this day that I left that cat in sufference... :/
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[04:50]	XRevan86	Helenah: I don't know if I have an answer to whether death is better than dying in suffering. Too philosophical.
[04:51]	Helenah	The cat would've been in peace, XRevan86 
[04:51]	Helenah	Oh god I'm tearing...
[04:51]	Helenah	Told you...
[04:51]	XRevan86	Helenah: No, it wouldn't be anything.
[04:51]	Helenah	XRevan86: Yep correct
[04:52]	Helenah	I wanted the cat to be nothing because there was no coming back from the injury...
[04:52]	Helenah	I wanted it to be curtains closed.
[04:53]	Helenah	XRevan86: I'm not a spiritual person
[04:53]	XRevan86	Helenah: Same.
[04:53]	Helenah	I don't believe in life after death, I don't believe there is anything once you die
[04:53]	Helenah	I believe it simply is .....
[04:53]	Helenah	..... menaing void
[04:53]	Helenah	NOTHING
[04:53]	Helenah	*meaning
[04:53]	Helenah	Death is not something easy for me to describe...
[04:53]	XRevan86	I like to have answers, but life in any capacity and death are fundamentally incomparable.
[04:53]	Helenah	and I wish I had words for it...
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[04:54]	Helenah	Death = null to ones conscience which is no longer...
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[04:55]	Helenah	conscience is simply brain cells.
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[04:55]	Helenah	but they have to be alive
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[04:55]	XRevan86	Technically life can continue without conscience, so it's not just that.
[04:55]	Helenah	Yes yes
[04:55]	Helenah	I know
[04:55]	Helenah	but like...
[04:55]	Helenah	I wasn't meaning the FULL brain
[04:55]	TR News	"Last week I ran out of ROM space in a work project." https://subethasoftware.com/2022/08/26/when-theres-not-enough-room-for-sprintf/ |
[04:55]	TR Bot	 When theres not enough room for sprintf | Sub-Etha Software
[04:56]	Helenah	Like you can have just a brain stem, it's enough to keep your organs active
[04:56]	TR News	"My approach is very Web 1.0. For each feed I want to filter, I create a CGI script on my server." https://leancrew.com/all-this/2022/08/filtering-my-rss-reading/ |
[04:56]	TR Bot	 Filtering my RSS reading - All this
[04:56]	Helenah	But there is no person inside that head
[04:57]	Helenah	It's difficult to like talk about this with the right words and all that.
[04:57]	TR News	"Intermittently failing (or passing) tests are a nuisance." http://blog.rareschool.com/2022/08/how-to-write-reliable-tests-for-python.html |
[04:57]	TR Bot	 RAREblog: How to write reliable tests for Python MQTT applications
[04:57]	TR News	"In this mini workshop we will be creating a device in Python that can be controlled using MQTT." http://www.steves-internet-guide.com/controlling-devices-mqtt-python/ |
[04:57]	TR Bot	 Controlling Devices Using MQTT and Python
[04:57]	XRevan86	Helenah: Also because the concept of a person is also loose.
[04:58]	schestowitz[TR]	personal= animal of human type
[04:58]	schestowitz[TR]	*person
[04:58]	schestowitz[TR]	no human can survive without a brain
[04:59]	Helenah	Well when I read on Personhood, any being which is capable of big responsibilities such as owning property, etc, etc, using own initiative on big things, etc, etc can be a person
[04:59]	schestowitz[TR]	one living human -> one person
[04:59]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Nothing in this definition excludes vegetables.
[04:59]	Helenah	but the law defines which species have a right to personhood
[04:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 16.56 k/sec., IPFS upstream 111.66 average k/sec., average swarm size 103.00
[04:59]	Helenah	and that's humans in all parts of the world
[04:59]	schestowitz[TR]	XRevan86: : vegetables if you mean humans who cannot react are still persons
[04:59]	Helenah	Like if orangutans were to be classified as people then you would have to write that in law
[04:59]	DaemonFC	I was reading about Mir.
[04:59]	Helenah	DaemonFC: Please don't flood!!!
[04:59]	schestowitz[TR]	they have a brain , it just doesn't function very well
● Aug 30
[05:00]	Helenah	Just before you do...
[05:00]	DaemonFC	Apparently, Garrett didn't waste any time in attacking it once he say it was under the GPL 3.
[05:00]	Helenah	It's fuckin' annoying when I'm trying to talk to people...
[05:00]	DaemonFC	*saw
[05:00]	DaemonFC	About the only company that would have made a big problem for was possibly Nvidia.
[05:01]	TR News	"Shootings spiked during the pandemic." https://text.npr.org/1118786281 | Source: NPR
[05:01]	TR Bot	 Shootings spiked during the pandemic. The spike now looks like a 'new normal'
[05:01]	TR News	"The festival, known as Elote Azul Korhupo Anapu, aims to highlight the states botanical wealth" https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/blue-corn-festival-michoacan/ | Source: Mexico News Daily
[05:01]	TR Bot	 Blue corn festival celebrates botanical wealth of Michoacn
[05:01]	Helenah	schestowitz[TR]: Vegetables are not people in accordance to the definition of personhood.
[05:01]	Helenah	But...
[05:02]	Helenah	All humans are automatically defined as people regardless of the actual meaning of the term.
[05:02]	DaemonFC	"civil unrest" = losers looting and setting working peoples cars on fire while the Democrats sent the National Guard to direct traffic.
[05:02]	TR News	Windows TCO https://www.vinchin.com/en/news/french-hospital-hit-with-ransomware-attack-hackers-asked-for-10m.html |
[05:02]	TR Bot	Hospital Hit with Ransomware Attack, Hackers Asked for $10m - Vinchin
[05:02]	Helenah	Maybe peoples cars need setting on fire?
[05:02]	XRevan86	Helenah: Anyway, my original point is that I don't know if suffering is worse than death, it may seem this way both to the dying and to the observer, and it is empathetic to do so, but neither party has experienced death (yet), so they do so without reference.
[05:02]	Helenah	Driving cars around is selfish.
[05:02]	DaemonFC	The National Guard should have done what they used to.
[05:02]	DaemonFC	Declared a curfew and shot anyone engaged in unlawful rioting.
[05:03]	TR News	"For now there is little sign of a margin squeeze." https://www.economist.com/business/2022/08/29/the-cloud-computing-giants-are-vying-to-protect-their-fat-profits | Source: The Economist
[05:03]	TR Bot	cloud computing giants are vying to protect their fat profits | The Economist
[05:03]	Helenah	XRevan86: I've experienced death! Yep, I really did! :D In a dream I once had...
[05:03]	XRevan86	Helenah: But empathy is typically a good guide, so being cynical is also not the answer.
[05:03]	Helenah	The dream is true but the death part... I haven't really experienced. :D
[05:03]	DaemonFC	The reason the Democrats can't have that is that it would be the biggest and most sudden drop in violent crime in Chicago history.
[05:03]	Helenah	XRevan86: hmm
[05:03]	DaemonFC	And people would demand to have the National Guard in Chicago permanently.
[05:03]	TR News	Windows TCO https://news.err.ee/1608698512/minister-friday-s-cyberattack-on-private-media-part-of-consistent-pattern | Source: Eesti Rahvusringhling
[05:03]	TR Bot	 Minister: Friday's cyberattack on private media part of consistent pattern | News | ERR
[05:04]	TR News	[Old] "Specifically, the Nokia report shows the explosive growth of IoT botnets" https://www.nokia.com/blog/the-rise-of-botnet-ddos/ | Source: Nokia
[05:04]	Helenah	Anyway yes so people who drive cars are selfish and so are the people who have made them have to resort to that in the first place.
[05:04]	Helenah	It's annoying when I'm out and about at rush hour and most cars going to or from work are single person (the driver)
[05:04]	Helenah	and you hear most are on fossil fuels
[05:05]	DaemonFC	Who cares?
[05:05]	Helenah	and you're like "WTF, you are all selfish not giving a crap about the environment just for money"
[05:05]	Helenah	DaemonFC: You don't care. :)
[05:05]	DaemonFC	Environmentalists are selfish.
[05:05]	TR News	[Old] "In our previous blog post we covered the history of DDoS attacks and our A10 Networks DDoS Threat Report" https://www.a10networks.com/blog/the-rise-of-botnet-and-ddos-attacks/ |
[05:05]	DaemonFC	-George Carlin
[05:05]	Helenah	But don't speak for everyone else.
[05:05]	XRevan86	Helenah: Oh but there's a catch: "experience death" is an oxymoron, as death itself is by definition inexperienceable.
[05:05]	Helenah	XRevan86: Yep
[05:05]	schestowitz[TR]	Carlin's skit onn this is problematic
[05:05]	schestowitz[TR]	for a  whole lot of reason
[05:05]	Helenah	I was just joking around too.
[05:05]	schestowitz[TR]	mocking conservation too
[05:06]	Helenah	DaemonFC: Don't call me selfish for respecting the fuckin environment
[05:06]	Helenah	What is wrong with you man?
[05:06]	schestowitz[TR]	he is quoting carlin
[05:06]	Helenah	You seriously lost the plot...
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[05:06]	DaemonFC	There was this thing called the Church of Euthanasia.
[05:06]	Helenah	schestowitz[TR]: Which means he clearly believes it...
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[05:06]	Helenah	So therefore is indirectly calling me selfish...
[05:06]	DaemonFC	"Save the planet, kill yourself."
[05:06]	DaemonFC	They don't actually demand people kill themselves.
[05:07]	schestowitz[TR]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=EjmtSkl53h4
[05:07]	TR Bot	 George Carlin on The Environment - Invidious
[05:07]	DaemonFC	The only commandment is not to reproduce.
[05:07]	schestowitz[TR]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=uHgJKrmbYfg
[05:07]	TR Bot	 "The Planet Is Fine..." by George Carlin - Invidious
[05:07]	schestowitz[TR]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7W33HRc1A6c
[05:07]	TR Bot	 George Carlin - Saving the Planet - Invidious
[05:07]	TR News	"Based on the characteristics of this attack, it appears that the Mantis DDoS botnet that Cloudflare detailed last month might have been responsible for the new record-setting incident as well" https://www.securityweek.com/google-blocks-record-setting-ddos-attack-peaked-46-million-rps | Source: Security Week
[05:07]	TR Bot	Blocks Record-Setting DDoS Attack That Peaked at 46 Million RPS | SecurityWeek.Com
[05:07]	TR News	"Compiled by Clarotys research team Team82, the State of XIoT Security Report" https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/iot-vulnerability-disclosures-grew-57-from-2h-2021-to-1h-2022-report-202208281515.html | Source: IT Wire
[05:07]	TR Bot	- IoT vulnerability disclosures grew 57% from 2H 2021 to 1H 2022: report
[05:07]	DaemonFC	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Euthanasia
[05:07]	TR Bot	 Church of Euthanasia - Wikipedia
[05:07]	Helenah	How can the same person have a video on saving the planet while also one on saying the planet is fine? If it's fine then nothing to be saved, the guy is contradictive...
[05:07]	schestowitz[TR]	<DaemonFC> They don't actually demand people kill themselves.
[05:08]	schestowitz[TR]	not reproducing is a step in that direction
[05:08]	Helenah	DaemonFC: CrystalMath is a member of that.
[05:08]	schestowitz[TR]	without having to kill anyone
[05:08]	Helenah	He signed a paper to never reproduce.
[05:08]	schestowitz[TR]	it is not enforceable
[05:09]	TR News	"On Thursday, FCC Chairwoman Jessica Rosenworcel publicly released pertinent letters that were submitted by Americas top 15 mobile telephone carriers" https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/08/advocacy-groups-applaud-fcc-releasing-mobile-data-collection-information/ | Source: Broadband Breakfast
[05:09]	TR Bot	 Advocacy Groups Applaud FCC Releasing Mobile Data Collection Information : Broadband Breakfast
[05:09]	TR News	"The survey also found that for Australians keeping their personal information safe on the [Internet] is the key to happiness online." https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/over-third-of-australians-would-delete-themselves-from-internet-if-they-could-study.html | Source: IT Wire
[05:09]	TR Bot	- Over third of Australians would delete themselves from Internet if they could: study
[05:09]	Helenah	Humanity commiting genecide as a species ain't a solution, humanity learning from the wrongs of their past and creating a more right future is the solution.
[05:09]	schestowitz[TR]	sorry to tell you,
[05:09]	schestowitz[TR]	therte is not much future left for humans
[05:09]	schestowitz[TR]	we've likely passed that point
[05:10]	Helenah	schestowitz[TR]: That's what they all say! with no proof...
[05:10]	schestowitz[TR]	iirc, there were only 2 billion of us just over half a century ago
[05:10]	Helenah	You are not a time traveler and can't go into the future to see if humanity is better or worse...
[05:10]	schestowitz[TR]	no need
[05:10]	schestowitz[TR]	I look at the present
[05:10]	Helenah	You can only "predict"
[05:10]	schestowitz[TR]	go to the local supermarket
[05:10]	schestowitz[TR]	check prices
[05:10]	schestowitz[TR]	people compete over basic resources, even foods
[05:11]	schestowitz[TR]	like eggs and milk
[05:11]	schestowitz[TR]	in some countries people starve already
[05:11]	Helenah	I'm aware of current affairs but...
[05:11]	Helenah	That doesn't mean in 500 years time humanity won't have sorted itself out...
[05:11]	DaemonFC	Yeah, while Biden and Trump dole out trillions to idiot moochers and parasites.
[05:12]	Helenah	And you can't predict 500 years into the future...
[05:12]	DaemonFC	People won't be around in 500 years.
[05:12]	TR News	"Survival International said his abandoned campsites left clues to his lifestyle" https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/28/americas/brazil-indigenous-man-in-the-hole-death-intl-hnk/index.html | Source: CNN
[05:12]	TR Bot	 Brazilian Amazon: 'Man of the Hole,' the last member of an indigenous tribe, has died - CNN
[05:12]	Helenah	It's like 6 average human lifetimes away.
[05:13]	Helenah	the average lifespan will change too
[05:13]	Helenah	DaemonFC: You don't know that.
[05:13]	DaemonFC	Yes, it will continue falling.
[05:13]	Helenah	And neither do I
[05:13]	TR News	"facing the threat of a growing disaster on the Oder River" https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/08/29/fish-a29.html | Source: WSWS
[05:13]	TR Bot	 Fish kills in the Oder River: Interaction of climate change and systematic pollution - World Socialist Web Site
[05:13]	TR News	"The tribe has pushed back against this declining harvest, and in 2018 it sued to force the state of Alaska to take a more sustainable approach" https://www.thenation.com/article/environment/herring-sitka-alaska/ | Source: The Nation
[05:13]	TR Bot	 This Tiny Fish Holds Together Ecosystems and CulturesIts Also Under Threat | The Nation
[05:13]	Helenah	"Humanity has a 95% probability of being extinct in 7,800,000 years"
[05:14]	DaemonFC	The US life expectancy fell by 1.5 years since 2019.
[05:14]	Helenah	And it's only a percentage and an probability
[05:14]	DaemonFC	The first time that's happened in over 150 years.
[05:14]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: I had no problem with Mir being under GPLv3, I objected to it being under GPLv3 with a copyright assignment policy, and for Canonical to be happy to license it to others under proprietary licenses
[05:14]	DaemonFC	Not even during the Great Depression did life expectancy fall like it has under Trump and Biden.
[05:14]	DaemonFC	These are the two worst presidents we've ever had.
[05:15]	TR News	advicegoddess is now offline, a dead link. Welcome to the WWW. Here today, gone tomorrow. The WHOLE lot. https://www.advicegoddess.com/
[05:15]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.advicegoddess.com/ )
[05:15]	Helenah	You're speaking of what happened in the US while stating humans won't be here in 500 years time.
[05:15]	Helenah	US does not equate to the world...
[05:15]	TR News	amy alkon https://www.bendsource.com/bend/rip-amy-alkons-science-based-syndicated-advice-column-1995-to-march-31-2022/Content?oid=16619724
[05:15]	DaemonFC	<mjg59_> DaemonFC: I had no problem with Mir being under GPLv3, I objected to it being under GPLv3 with a copyright assignment policy, and for Canonical to be happy to license it to others under proprietary licenses
[05:15]	TR Bot	 RIP, Amy Alkons science-based syndicated advice column: 1995 to March 31, 2022. | The Source Weekly - Bend, Oregon
[05:15]	DaemonFC	The Contributor License Agreement only applies if you make a contribution to Canonical's version of Mir.
[05:15]	DaemonFC	What is there to stop a fork?
[05:16]	DaemonFC	Which would be GPL3-only.
[05:16]	TR News	I knew people would think that. Its not. Its just time. America has changed so drastically. It isnt the United States of America at all. Nothings united about it. Its a very weird place to live right now. https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/aug/28/ozzy-osbourne-i-have-sung-that-song-for-55-years-i-am-not-going-to-forget-the-words
[05:16]	TR Bot	 Tea with Ozzy Osbourne: Ive sung that song for 55 years. Im not going to forget the words | Ozzy Osbourne | The Guardian
[05:17]	TR News	Ozzy Osbourne Returning Home to the U.K. From the U.S. - Variety https://variety.com/2022/music/global/ozzy-osbourne-sharon-osbourne-uk-return-1235353174/ Source: Variety | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//variety.com/2022/music/global/ozzy-osbourne-sharon-osbourne-uk-return-1235353174/
[05:17]	TR Bot	Osbourne Returning Home to the U.K. From the U.S. - Variety
[05:17]	DaemonFC	The CLA was something you signed separately with Canonical, not something you had to accept because the GPL 3 doesn't allow for extra restrictions if you choose to accept the software and redistribute it under those terms.
[05:17]	TR News	iophk: microsoft hides its numbers, if they were anything other than poorly performing they would have been trumpeted https://www.economist.com/business/2022/08/29/the-cloud-computing-giants-are-vying-to-protect-their-fat-profits
[05:17]	TR Bot	cloud computing giants are vying to protect their fat profits | The Economist
[05:17]	TR News	iophk: anti-botnet articles agitate against IRC
[05:17]	DaemonFC	If anything, they basically guaranteed there would probably be a fork at some point and they couldn't use any code from the fork without nullifying the CLA on their version.
[05:17]	schestowitz[TR]	<Helenah> You're speaking of what happened in the US while stating humans won't be here in 500 years time.
[05:18]	DaemonFC	So it would damage them more than a community fork of Mir.
[05:18]	schestowitz[TR]	1) 500 years is a LONG time
[05:18]	schestowitz[TR]	2) some humans will survive
[05:18]	schestowitz[TR]	but if 99% of them perish, then it's quite an epic event
[05:18]	DaemonFC	They basically would have XFree86'd themselves very early on and lost control of their own project.
[05:19]	TR News	Blame "Linux" for something not connected to Linux, as usual https://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/134023/malware/rapperbot-linux-botnet.html
[05:19]	TR Bot	 New Linux botnet RapperBot brute-forces SSH serversSecurity Affairs
[05:19]	TR News	tiktok https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/tiktok-pigtails-trend-end-now-rcna45371
[05:19]	TR Bot	 The TikTok pigtails trend should end now
[05:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[05:21]	TR News	Yesterday, Pine64 made an announcement about the Star64 Single Board Computer (SBC) prototype." https://linuxgizmos.com/pine64-reveals-the-star64-risc-v-based-single-board-computer/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
[05:21]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/pine64-reveals-the-star64-risc-v-based-single-board-computer/ )
[05:21]	TR News	"Using the ping command is perhaps the most common way to check if a remote server is reachable or not" https://linuxhandbook.com/ping-ipv6/ | Source: Linux Handbook
[05:21]	TR Bot	 How to Ping an IPv6 Address in Linux Command Line
[05:21]	TR News	"Bash programming comprises three kinds of loops: the for loop, the while loop, and the until loop." https://www.unixmen.com/bash-while-loop-examples-for-loops-until-loops-and-more/ | Source: Unix Men
[05:21]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.unixmen.com/bash-while-loop-examples-for-loops-until-loops-and-more/ )
[05:22]	TR News	"In this tutorial, we will learn what is Portainer, how to install Portainer and how to manage docker containers" https://ostechnix.com/portainer-an-easiest-way-to-manage-docker/ | Source: OSTechNix
[05:22]	TR Bot	Docker Containers Using Portainer In Linux - OSTechNix
[05:22]	TR News	"Snap packages are widely used all across different Linux distributions." https://vitux.com/how-to-install-snapd-on-debian/ | Source: Vitux
[05:22]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://vitux.com/how-to-install-snapd-on-debian/ )
[05:23]	TR News	"Tor Browser 11.5.2 updates Firefox on Windows, macOS, and Linux to 91.13.0esr." https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor-browser-1152/ | Source: Tor
[05:23]	TR Bot	 New Release: Tor Browser 11.5.2 (Android,Windows, macOS, Linux) | The Tor Project
[05:24]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: Given the codebase embodied the protocol, a fork that does anything useful would probably have been incompatble with what Canonical redistributed
[05:24]	mjg59_	And nobody's going to release code that targets Mir that isn't compatible with Ubuntu
[05:24]	mjg59_	Well, nobody's going to release code that targets Mir at all now
[05:24]	mjg59_	But at the time
[05:25]	TR News	If people worked from home, a lot of fuel would be saved (cars burn a LOT)
[05:25]	TR News	"uses a lot of what it has in storage while" https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/08/26/europe-energy-crisis-natural-gas-economy-winter/ | Source: Foreign Policy
[05:25]	TR Bot	 Europe's Energy Crisis Is Worse Than You Think
[05:25]	TR News	"Every company needs to mobilise and act." https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220829-french-pm-says-companies-may-face-energy-rationing-this-winter | Source: France24
[05:25]	TR Bot	 French PM says companies may face energy rationing this winter
[05:27]	TR News	"French Prime Minister Elisabeth Borne urged companies on Monday to draft energy savings plans by next month" https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/french-firms-ready-curb-energy-use-avoid-rationing-lobby-group-2022-08-29/ | Source: Reuters
[05:27]	TR Bot	PM tells firms to draft energy savings plans to avoid rationing | Reuters
[05:27]	TR News	"quota trading system" https://www.barrons.com/news/french-pm-warns-of-risk-of-rationing-this-winter-01661780108 | Source: Barrons
[05:27]	TR Bot	 French PM Warns Of Rationing Risk This Winter | Barron's
[05:28]	TR News	Twitter is FINISHED https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/29/23327036/elon-musk-zatko-mudge-subpoena-twitter-trial-documents-bots | Source: The Verge
[05:28]	TR Bot	 Twitter whistleblower Pieter Mudge Zatko just got a subpoena from Elon Musk - The Verge
[05:28]	TR News	"Mr. Musk and Mr. Zatko have both accused Twitter of fraud, but their allegations are not the same" https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/08/29/business/economy-news-inflation-stocks#elon-musk-twitter-whistle-blower | Source: New York Times
[05:28]	TR Bot	 U.S., Economy and Inflation News for Aug. 29, 2022 - The New York Times
[05:29]	TR News	"One cryptocurrency firm, Tether, has said it would not freeze its accounts tied to Tornado Cash" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/next-gen-technologies/crypto-firms-say-us-sanctions-limit-use-of-privacy-software/93852568 | Source: India Times
[05:29]	TR Bot	 Crypto firms say US sanctions limit use of privacy software, CIO News, ET CIO
[05:29]	TR News	"Kyncl will be succeeded by Mary Ellen Coe, currently the president of global customer solutions at Google, on Oct. 3" https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/youtube-chief-business-officer-robert-kyncl-1235208181/ | Source: Hollywood Reporter
[05:29]	TR Bot	 YouTubes Chief Business Officer Robert Kyncl to Step Down in October The Hollywood Reporter
[05:29]	TR News	"Robert Kyncl will exit YouTube in early 2023 after more than 12 years as a senior exec at video giant." https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/robert-kyncl-youtube-leaving-chief-business-officer-1235353708/ | Source: Variety http://techrights.org/2022/08/26/faketube/
[05:29]	TR Bot	Kyncl to Step Down as YouTube Chief Business Officer in 2023 - Variety
[05:29]	TR Bot	 Not Just Twitter: YouTube is Failing, Flailing, and Tolerating Clickfraud (Bot Activity) in Order to Fake Its Size (Audience Magnitude) | Techrights
[05:30]	TR News	FB, Twitter, YouTube: censorship platforms. AKA "social control media".
[05:30]	DaemonFC	<mjg59_> Well, nobody's going to release code that targets Mir at all now
[05:30]	DaemonFC	Hardware vendors won instead of Canonical is basically what happened here.
[05:31]	DaemonFC	Not sure if that's much beter.
[05:31]	DaemonFC	*better
[05:31]	DaemonFC	I would say except Nvidia, but they've been getting other people to do free work for them so they don't have to adapt their driver much.
[05:31]	DaemonFC	So they won more than anyone else.
[05:32]	TR News	[Old] "On the same day as this piece came out, TechDirt reports on a passenger who would likely disagree with the Secretary. [...] advice blogger Amy Alkon graphically described how she sobbed loudly" https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2011/09/06/female-blogger-threatened-with-a-defamation-suit-for-blogging-about-tsa-rape/ | Source: Forbes
[05:32]	TR Bot	 Female Blogger Threatened With Defamation Suit For Writing About TSA 'Rape'
[05:32]	TR News	[Old] "Nearing the end of this violation, I sobbed even louder as the woman, FOUR TIMES, stuck the side of her gloved hand INTO my vagina, through my pants." https://www.techdirt.com/2011/09/06/tsa-agent-threatens-woman-with-defamation-demands-500k-calling-intrusive-search-rape/ | Source: Techdirt
[05:32]	TR Bot	Agent Threatens Woman With Defamation, Demands $500k For Calling Intrusive Search 'Rape' | Techdirt
[05:32]	mjg59_	I'm not sure why you're arguing that Canonical choosing licensing that allowed them to release code under a proprietary license but prevented anyone else doing so was a good thing
[05:32]	DaemonFC	It's a shame the response to Nvidia wasn't "Hard no. Fix it yourself.".
[05:33]	loner	mjg59_:  didn't GNU/FSF do so, for a very long time, with GCC and copyright assignment requirements for this?
[05:33]	DaemonFC	They have the fucking piece of crap. They should "support" it.
[05:33]	DaemonFC	<mjg59_> I'm not sure why you're arguing that Canonical choosing licensing that allowed them to release code under a proprietary license but prevented anyone else doing so was a good thing
[05:33]	TR News	"The bill adds up quickly when the costs of residual fees for actors, writers and directors are included costs that are triggered no matter how many or how few people cue up a particular episode of a vintage series." https://variety.com/2022/biz/news/hbo-max-wb-discovery-content-remove-inventory-1235352588/ | Source: Variety
[05:33]	TR Bot	Max Removes Low Performing Shows to Manage Inventory Problem - Variety
[05:33]	DaemonFC	I'm not sure there would be anything for them to gain by doing that.
[05:33]	TR News	Pro Publica talking about air pollution while bagging bribes from the world's biggest polluter, Bill Gates (he does far worse things) https://www.propublica.org/article/texas-mexico-border-town-approves-air-pollution-monitoring-following-propublica-and-texas-tribune-investigation
[05:33]	TR Bot	 Laredo, Texas, Approves Air Monitoring for Ethylene Oxide ProPublica
[05:34]	mjg59_	loner: FSF commit to only licensing works under free licenses
[05:34]	DaemonFC	If the protocol is so immutable that the Free and theoretical proprietary versions can't be all that different, like you said, then what could they do with this?
[05:34]	loner	mjg59_: who funded the FSF?
[05:35]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: They did contracting work for a variety of vendors who didn't want to ship GPLv3 code, and sold them proprietary licensed material instead
[05:35]	mjg59_	loner: A variety of contributors
[05:35]	TR News	"Over the years [Integza] has blown up or melted many types of jet engine, including the humble pulsejet." https://hackaday.com/2022/08/29/a-detonation-engine-prototyped-using-resin-printing/ | Source: Hackaday
[05:35]	TR Bot	Detonation Engine Prototyped Using Resin Printing | Hackaday
[05:35]	DaemonFC	So the danger was already there. libhybris was all about hooking up Android video drivers that were already non-Free.
[05:36]	DaemonFC	But would this violate the GPL in the way that they tied it all together?
[05:36]	TR News	"does the guy on the Monopoly box (standard edition) wear a monocle?" https://hackaday.com/2022/08/29/visual-mandela-effect-you-dont-know-iconic-images-as-well-as-you-think/ | Source: Hackaday
[05:36]	TR Bot	Mandela Effect: You Dont Know Iconic Images As Well As You Think | Hackaday
[05:36]	mjg59_	No, since Canonical were the copyright holders
[05:36]	loner	and i mean, Mozilla play the same game for "non-profit", and then were blessed with hundreds of millions of google coins
[05:36]	mjg59_	And were clearly ok with it
[05:36]	DaemonFC	So the danger is basically the same either way?
[05:36]	mjg59_	What? No.
[05:37]	DaemonFC	You're telling me that the difference is legitimizing it de facto vs. de jure.
[05:37]	mjg59_	I didn't say anything about that at all
[05:37]	DaemonFC	There's no enforcement coming either way, so what's the difference?
[05:37]	mjg59_	libhybris is a red herring here
[05:37]	loner	sorry for interrupting, there was just some questions remaining, with GNU toolchain.
[05:37]	mjg59_	The choice of GPLv3 had nothing to do with libhybris, and none of the problems were related to libhybris
[05:37]	loner	with mozilla products, gnome, canonical, whatever, it's at least possible to remove or replace various components
[05:38]	loner	while GNU toolchain and benefitiaries cannot be.. removed
[05:38]	DaemonFC	What additional harm can Canonical do with the CLA vs. being THE copyright holder that does not pursue?
[05:39]	mjg59_	If Mir had been released under a permissive license, both Canonical *and* external contributors could have produced proprietary versions of Mir
[05:39]	DaemonFC	My guess when I saw the GPL 3 + CLA on most of their projects was that the GPL 3 was designed to be so unattractive to some entities that they'd go ahead and pay for an exception.
[05:39]	mjg59_	If Mir had been released under GPLv3 without a CLA, *neither* Canonical nor external contributors could have produced proprietary versions of Mir (assuming external contributions)
[05:39]	loner	i had to block already, at gcc47 (2012), perl-5.8 (2004), to at least retain some minified "free software" userspace
[05:39]	DaemonFC	But most of their software can be forked and then you don't sign the CLA.
[05:40]	mjg59_	The combination of GPLv3 and a CLA was intended to ensure that the only option to obtain proprietary versions of Mir was to pay Canonical
[05:40]	mjg59_	This was while Canonical were attempting to increase their embedded business
[05:40]	DaemonFC	I was more disturbed by the mess that Unity was turning into.
[05:40]	loner	GCC too insisted on a copyright assignment, to FSF (and it's "non-profit" sponsors) in this case
[05:41]	DaemonFC	That was an attempt to hijack GNOME and turn the desktop into something they controlled, and to kill user demand for the Shell. And ensure the users who wanted Unity could only run it on Ubuntu.
[05:41]	loner	and with GNU gas specific and ISA specific assembly language cluttering _all_ relevant libc, GNU binutils remain locked too
[05:41]	DaemonFC	Fortunately, they weren't competent enough to hold it all together on a budget that was acceptable to them, and gave up.
[05:41]	loner	meaning, GNU/FSF _prevent_ any alternative non-FSF/non-GNU toolchain
[05:42]	loner	as an example, tcc-toolchain is free software, nonetheless GNU toolchain remains locked into (with kernel and libc)
[05:42]	DaemonFC	Now Snap is failing too, and they take Microsoft money.
[05:43]	DaemonFC	THey've become the next Novell at this point. I doubt Ubuntu will be around long. Most that sign these sorts of deals are not around long enough to talk about it.
[05:43]	mjg59_	Ok glad you agree that you were wrong when you said I was upset about Mir being under GPLv3
[05:43]	DaemonFC	The history of Microsoft deals is a history of companies that didn't exist five years later.
[05:43]	loner	and the difference to mozilla and gnome products: GNU toolchain cannot be removed or replaced with any free software alternative
[05:43]	DaemonFC	I didn't say that. I said what disturbed me the most at the time was their desktop.
[05:43]	DaemonFC	And no, I never did trust them.
[05:43]	loner	it's easy to remove non-free Mozilla or non-free GNOME, it's impossible to remove non-free Libc
[05:44]	loner	i consider the assembly language parts non-free
[05:44]	DaemonFC	Without Unity, Mir just didn't interest them at all anymore.
[05:44]	loner	and GNU/FSF ensured/enforced a vendor-lock against this
[05:45]	DaemonFC	<mjg59_> Ok glad you agree that you were wrong when you said I was upset about Mir being under GPLv3
[05:45]	DaemonFC	I'm unsure why a vendor would want a GPL exception for Mir.
[05:45]	DaemonFC	What are they going to hook into it that becomes a derived work if not a graphics driver?
[05:46]	loner	and what GNU/FSF did with their toolchain is both, a vendor-lock, and a vendor-lock against non-free components (assembly language related within _all_ relevant libc)
[05:46]	TR News	"Permanent war requires permanent censorship." https://scheerpost.com/2022/08/29/chris-hedges-ukraine-and-the-politics-of-permanent-war/ | Source: Scheerpost
[05:46]	TR Bot	Hedges: Ukraine and the Politics of Permanent War scheerpost.com
[05:48]	TR News	Debt Relief https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/biden-student-debt-relief/ | Source: The Nation
[05:48]	TR Bot	 Biden's Debt Relief Is Actually a Victory for Left Organizing | The Nation
[05:48]	loner	with c++ and C11 creeping into the toolchain and dependencies, GNU toolchain must be detangled, in favor of a free software alternative
[05:50]	loner	only those software components (including kernel and libc) which can be compiled/linked/assmebled _without_ GNU-toolchain are free software, and vendor-independent from those who sponsor FSF for "non-profit"
[05:51]	TR News	"Pirate site blocking is a reasonable way for rightsholders to protect their rights in a highly targeted fashion." https://torrentfreak.com/austrian-isps-had-no-choice-but-to-block-pirate-sites-and-cloudflare-220829/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[05:51]	TR Bot	ISPs 'Had No Choice' But to Block Pirate Sites AND Cloudflare * TorrentFreak
[05:51]	loner	(besides, LLVM isn't an alternative to GNU-toolchain)
[05:52]	Helenah	I thought Canonical just simply abandoned Mir like they do with everything? They start something then abandon it. Mir (Abandoned), Upstart (Abandoned), Unity (Abandoned), Ubuntu Touch (Abandoned).
[05:52]	DaemonFC	"Austrian ISPs are currently blocking Cloudflare after a rightsholder obtained a court order to render pirate sites inaccessible and included the CDN's IP addresses. "
[05:52]	DaemonFC	They should keep blocking them.
[05:52]	loner	with mozilla and gnome, the situation is simple: removed. however libc/kernel/toolchain cannot be removed or replaced with any real free software alternative independent from the "non-profit" sponsors of the FSF/GNU.
[05:53]	Helenah	That has nothing to do with NVIDIA, that's merely Canonical's own doing.
[05:53]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: If Canonical didn't think someone would want Mir under a different license, they wouldn't have bothered with a CLA
[05:53]	TR News	"We catch up on a months worth of news including GitHub and GitLab controversies, Arduino multitasking, VLC being banned in India, Googles false positives in scans, and KDE Korner." https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-192/
[05:53]	TR Bot	 Late Night Linux Episode 192 Late Night Linux
[05:54]	DaemonFC	Well we know Canonical always plans and invests wisely. ;)
[05:54]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: The issue wasn't derivative works, the issue was embedded vendors wanting to avoid the anti-Tivoization clause
[05:54]	DaemonFC	That's why their business models keep flopping and they're taking Microsoft bailouts now.
[05:55]	TR News	292: Who Wants To Be A Developer?! (Tips & Tricks To Get Started) - Destination Linux - TuxDigital https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/destination-linux/dl-292/ Source: Tux Digital
[05:55]	TR Bot	Who Wants To Be A Developer?! (Tips & Tricks To Get Started) - Destination Linux - TuxDigital
[05:55]	DaemonFC	The biggest problem I have with Ubuntu as a user, is that they keep re-inventing the wheel and trying to get you to use their stuff, and it only works right on Ubuntu.
[05:55]	DaemonFC	I'm really glad that other distributions got rid of snaps.
[05:56]	DaemonFC	Debian's Wiki seems to imply that installing Snaps may end in a broken operating system.
[05:56]	DaemonFC	That's pretty bad.
[05:56]	TR News	The PC - Internet Revolution in Rural America | The Changelog https://changelog.complete.org/archives/10417-the-pc-internet-revolution-in-rural-america Source: John Goerzen | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//changelog.complete.org/archives/10417-the-pc-internet-revolution-in-rural-america
[05:56]	TR Bot	 The PC & Internet Revolution in Rural America | The Changelog
[05:57]	DaemonFC	<mjg59_> DaemonFC: The issue wasn't derivative works, the issue was embedded vendors wanting to avoid the anti-Tivoization clause
[05:57]	loner	DaemonFC: GNU/FSF and their "non-profit" sponsors ensured the same with their toolchain; currently impossible to fully detangle from kernel and libc
[05:57]	DaemonFC	So what makes Wayland different? How does the MIT license protect us from Tivoization?
[05:57]	mjg59_	It doesn't
[05:58]	loner	however, kernel/libc/toolchain are far more problematic, because those are critical base system components, which cannot be removed and/or replaced with any real free software alternative
[05:58]	TR News	Surveillance-friendly company Mozilla still posing as privacy fighter https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2022/08/29/save-the-date-the-long-road-to-federal-privacy-protections-are-we-there-yet/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/Mozilla
[05:58]	TR Bot	 Save the Date! The Long Road to Federal Privacy Protections: Are we there yet? - Open Policy & Advocacy
[05:58]	TR Bot	 Mozilla - Techrights
[05:58]	DaemonFC	It seems that Mir being under the GPL 3 most of the time would have been better than Wayland under the MIT license.
[05:58]	mjg59_	The issue is the upstream of the software insisting that if you want to contribute your code to upstream, you need to agree that it can be made proprietary - but you don't have that right yourself
[05:59]	TR News	Michael Larabel does marketing spam for his sponsor AMD. Writes article about an article to come... this isn't an actual article https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-ryzen-7000-zen4-linux
[05:59]	TR Bot	Announces Ryzen 7000 Series "Zen 4" Desktop CPUs - Linux Benchmarks To Come Review - Phoronix
[05:59]	mjg59_	The upstream of free software should not act in ways that grant them privileges others don't have
[05:59]	loner	how is this different to the copryright assignment to FSF for GCC?
[05:59]	DaemonFC	Stallman is in favor of GPL exceptions as a business model.
[05:59]	mjg59_	loner: The FSF copyright assignment has contractual language that prevents the FSF permitting it to be used under proprietary terms
[05:59]	loner	mjg59_: wrong, GPL does NOT deny any re-licensing, it can't
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[06:00]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: If Canonical wanted to pay people to allow them to grant license exceptions, that would have been fine
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[06:00]	mjg59_	loner: Dude the agreement you sign with the FSF binds the FSF to certain commitments
[06:00]	mjg59_	It's a separate contract to the GPL
[06:01]	mjg59_	You assign your copyright to the FSF under the condition that they don't re-license it under a proprietary license
[06:01]	mjg59_	If they do, you get to sue them for breach of contract and reassert your copyright
[06:01]	DaemonFC	Not that it matters much.
[06:01]	loner	mjg59_: i am not at least the copyright holder of the software i am struggling with system integration of tcc-toolchain
[06:02]	mjg59_	Then the FSF copyright assignment doesn't matter
[06:02]	DaemonFC	Most GNU projects only have to threaten to leave and they get "special exceptions" from that policy all of a sudden.
[06:02]	DaemonFC	They even did that for nano/
[06:02]	loner	yes, because i want to fully remove GNU-toolchain for that reason, which is the "non-profit" sponsors of it
[06:03]	loner	and their anti-competitive practices
[06:03]	TR News	"The MeLE Quieter3C came installed with a licensed copy of Windows 11 Pro version 21H2" so it basically FORCES you to get and pay for Microsoft malware. Why is this reviewed as "Linux"? Oh, wait, WEBSPAM. "Id like to thank MeLE for providing the MeLE Quieter3C for review. It retails at around $270" https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/08/30/mele-quieter3c-fanless-mini-pc-review-with-ubuntu-22-04-windows-11/
[06:03]	TR Bot	 MeLE Quieter3C fanless mini PC review with Ubuntu 22.04, Windows 11 - CNX Software
[06:03]	TR News	In 2022, WWW = webspam
[06:04]	TR News	 (NEW): Traditional Packaging is not Suitable for Modern Applications http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Traditional_Packaging_is_not_Suitable_for_Modern_Applications.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Traditional_Packaging_is_not_Suitable_for_Modern_Applications.gmi 
[06:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Traditional Packaging is not Suitable for Modern Applications
[06:08]	TR News	 (NEW): MangoPi MQ Quad SBC - Allwinner H616 meets Raspberry Pi Zero W form factor http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/MangoPi_MQ_Quad_SBC_Allwinner_H616_meets_Raspberry_Pi_Zero_W_fo.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/MangoPi_MQ_Quad_SBC_Allwinner_H616_meets_Raspberry_Pi_Zero_W_fo.gmi 
[06:08]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines MangoPi MQ Quad SBC - Allwinner H616 meets Raspberry Pi Zero W form factor
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[06:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[06:21]	Helenah	Welcome back, starstreak! :3
[06:22]	starstreak	:)
[06:23]	starstreak	I'm the Matrix 4
[06:26]	starstreak	I'm watching* the Matrix 4
[06:26]	starstreak	lol
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[06:53]	DaemonFC	https://www.quora.com/Why-are-movies-so-bad-today
[06:53]	TR Bot	are movies so bad today? - Quora
[06:59]	DaemonFC	"Star Wars 7 & 8 suffers from this really badly with Rey. She doesn't go through training but is already able to fight off Kylo Ren despite Luke taking the whole trilogy to be able to stand a chance against Vader."
[06:59]	DaemonFC	Affirmative Action. Man has to work 1,000 times harder to get the same achievement.
[06:59]	DaemonFC	Thanks Disney!
[06:59]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, ^
[06:59]	DaemonFC	Just because I know you won't like that.
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[07:01]	DaemonFC	Then again, I'm not sure Alien is much better.
[07:02]	DaemonFC	The Xenomorphs took out an entire platoon and then a civilian woman kills their queen.
[07:02]	DaemonFC	No training on marine weapons except 5 seconds of Corporal Hicks telling her how to load it.
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[07:06]	DaemonFC	"Rey is written in to push the idea of girl power. This is what makes new female leads suck compared to older female leads like Ripley and Sarah Conner."
[07:07]	DaemonFC	I did appreciate the older ones, because they had to develop as characters.
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[07:29]	TR News	Genshin https://hackaday.com/2022/08/29/genshin-security-impact/ | Source: Hackaday
[07:29]	TR Bot	Security Impact | Hackaday
[07:30]	TR News	"For those unfamiliar with the sport of mountain biking, its a wild hobby that is rife with hacking." https://hackaday.com/2022/08/29/800-mountain-bike-seat-post-chopped-in-two/ | Source: Hackaday
[07:30]	TR Bot	Mountain Bike Seat Post Chopped In Two | Hackaday
[07:30]	TR News	"Perhaps nothing added quite so much to the charm of vacuum tube circuits from back in the heyday of the vacuum tube" https://hackaday.com/2022/08/29/magic-eye-tubes-go-solid-state-with-this-plug-in-replacement/ | Source: Hackaday
[07:30]	TR Bot	Eye Tubes Go Solid State With This Plug-In Replacement | Hackaday
[07:32]	TR News	Mass Media https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/08/29/mass-media-and-politics-permanent-war | Source: Common Dreams
[07:32]	TR Bot	 Opinion | Mass Media and the Politics of Permanent War | Chris Hedges
[07:34]	TR News	"Laptop screens have come a long way ever since the first LCD-equipped portables hit the market back in the 1980s" https://hackaday.com/2022/08/29/2022-cyberdeck-contest-steampunk-cyberdeck-is-made-from-wood-leather-brass-and-e-paper/ | Source: Hackaday
[07:34]	TR Bot	Cyberdeck Contest: Steampunk Cyberdeck Is Made From Wood, Leather, Brass And E-Paper | Hackaday
[07:34]	TR News	Lidl https://hackaday.com/2022/08/29/review-lidl-parkside-micrometer/ | Source: Hackaday
[07:34]	TR Bot	Lidl Parkside Micrometer | Hackaday
[07:36]	TR News	"It is unfortunate, if unsurprising, to watch Covid become yet another illness inadequately covered by a faulty and fragmented financing system." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/08/29/days-after-approving-another-3-billion-ukraine-war-us-says-no-more-money-free-covid | Source: Common Dreams
[07:36]	TR Bot	 Days After Approving Another $3 Billion for Ukraine War, US Says No More Money for Free Covid Tests
[07:36]	TR News	"The blades of the wind turbines on the mountain range opposite my window are turning especially energetically today." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/08/29/we-need-public-utilities-and-we-need-them-now | Source: Common Dreams
[07:36]	TR Bot	 Opinion | We Need Public Utilities and We Need Them Now | Yanis Varoufakis
[07:38]	TR News	Putin protects Stalin https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/08/30/russian-politician-leonid-gozman-arrested-for-calling-stalin-worse-than-hitler | Source: Meduza
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[07:39]	TR News	"Police in Moscow have arrested journalist Andrey Zayakin" https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/08/29/moscow-police-arrest-journalist-who-founded-project-that-finds-plagiarism-in-senior-state-officials-academic-work | Source: Meduza
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[07:40]	TR News	"Secularists teaching the state of Texas a lesson in unintended consequences appears to be becoming something of a theme" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/29/texas-activist-weaponizes-law-requiring-religious-posters-in-schools-against-its-fans/ | Source: Techdirt
[07:40]	TR Bot	Activist Weaponizes Law Requiring Religious Posters In Schools Against Its Fans | Techdirt
[07:41]	TR News	"It appears that free speech absolutist Elon Musk is, once again, not such a fan of free speech when it criticizes him" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/29/free-speech-absolutist-elon-musk-demands-take-down-of-likely-misleading-videos-of-teslas-running-over-child-sized-mannequins/ | Source: Techdirt
[07:41]	TR Bot	Speech Absolutist Elon Musk Demands Take Down Of (Likely Misleading) Videos Of Teslas Running Over Child-Sized Mannequins | Techdirt
[07:42]	TR News	Breaking the Web https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/29/senator-klobuchars-latest-bad-idea-letting-smaller-journalism-outlets-demand-payments-for-links/ | Source: Techdirt
[07:42]	TR Bot	Klobuchars Latest Bad Idea: Letting Smaller Journalism Outlets Demand Payments For Links | Techdirt
[07:44]	TR News	IRA https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/08/29/ira-didnt-include-crucial-funding-needed-disabled | Source: Common Dreams
[07:44]	TR Bot	 Opinion | The IRA Didn't Include Crucial Funding Needed for the Disabled | Mike Ervin
[07:44]	TR News	"It's a critical step to crack down on data brokers selling sensitive location dataincluding at healthcare clinics." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/08/29/ftc-files-urgently-needed-suit-against-data-broker-citing-threat-abortion-patients | Source: Common Dreams
[07:44]	TR Bot	 FTC Files 'Urgently Needed' Suit Against Data Broker, Citing Threat to Abortion Patients
[07:44]	TR News	How to Find Hidden Cameras in Airbnb https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/how-to-find-hidden-cameras/ | Source: PIA
[07:44]	TR Bot	 How to Find Hidden Cameras in Airbnb or Anywhere
[07:45]	TR News	"BVLOS drones bring new challenges to operations" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/08/over-horizon-drones-lineup-privacy-not-sight | Source: EFF
[07:45]	TR Bot	 Over-the-Horizon Drones Line Up But Privacy Is Not In Sight | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[07:54]	TR News	"Vic Mignogna is an American voice actor specializing in English dubs of Japanese anime." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/29/texas-appeals-court-upholds-dismissal-of-voice-actors-bogus-defamation-lawsuit/ | Source: Techdirt
[07:54]	TR Bot	Appeals Court Upholds Dismissal Of Voice Actors Bogus Defamation Lawsuit | Techdirt
[07:54]	TR News	FCC https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/29/new-fcc-broadband-maps-are-a-bit-of-a-mess-right-now/ | Source: Techdirt
[07:54]	TR Bot	FCC Broadband Maps Are A Bit Of A Train Wreck | Techdirt
[07:56]	TR News	"The "Year of the Linux Desktop" is the prophesy that tells of a time when Linux takes over desktops, and becomes the dominant operating system." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8btw60KFnpw
[07:56]	TR Bot	 The Year of the Linux Desktop won't happen (and why that's okay) - Invidious
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[08:01]	TR News	 (NEW): Videos/Shows: Year of the Linux Desktop, Destination Linux, Late Night Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Videos_Shows.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Videos_Shows.gmi 
[08:01]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Videos/Shows: Year of the Linux Desktop, Destination Linux, Late Night Linux
[08:08]	TR News	 (NEW): Confused About Quantum Computing? Linux Will Teach You for Free http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Confused_About_Quantum_Computing_Linux_Will_Teach_You_for_Free.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Confused_About_Quantum_Computing_Linux_Will_Teach_You_for_Free.gmi 
[08:08]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Confused About Quantum Computing? Linux Will Teach You for Free
[08:09]	TR News	"If you thought cookie pop-ups were an annoying nuisanc" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/29/age-verification-providers-say-dont-worry-about-california-design-code-youll-just-have-to-scan-your-face-for-every-website-you-visit/ | Source: Techdirt
[08:09]	TR Bot	Verification Providers Say Dont Worry About California Design Code; Youll Just Have To Scan Your Face For Every Website You Visit | Techdirt
[08:10]	TR News	"Its not often you see a civil forfeiture case handled by an appeals court." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/29/appeals-court-tells-government-it-needs-actual-evidence-if-it-wants-to-keep-the-70000-it-seized-during-an-accident-investigation/ | Source: Techdirt
[08:10]	TR Bot	Court Tells Government It Needs Actual Evidence If It Wants To Keep The $70,000 It Seized During An Accident Investigation | Techdirt
[08:12]	TR News	Debt https://truthout.org/articles/bidens-rating-hits-highest-point-in-months-after-student-debt-plan-announcement/ | Source: TruthOut
[08:12]	TR Bot	 Bidens Rating Hits Highest Point in Months After Student Debt Plan Announcement
[08:12]	TR News	COVID-19 https://truthout.org/articles/when-we-rose-to-fight-covid-we-were-deliberately-turned-against-each-other/ | Source: TruthOut
[08:12]	TR Bot	 When We Rose to Fight COVID, We Were Deliberately Turned Against Each Other
[08:14]	TR News	AOC https://truthout.org/articles/aoc-says-reversing-trump-tax-cuts-could-fund-cancelation-of-all-student-debt/ | Source: TruthOut
[08:14]	TR Bot	 AOC Says Reversing Trump Tax Cuts Could Fund Cancelation of All Student Debt
[08:15]	TR News	Chomsky https://fair.org/home/factchecking-the-factchecker-on-chomsky-russia-and-media-access/ | Source: FAIR
[08:15]	TR Bot	 Factchecking the Factchecker on Chomsky, Russia and Media Access - FAIR
[08:15]	TR News	Classified https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/08/29/classified-yet-publicly-available | Source: Meduza
[08:15]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[08:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[08:26]	TR News	 (NEW): Proprietary Software and Security http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Proprietary_Software_and_Security.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Proprietary_Software_and_Security.gmi 
[08:26]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Proprietary Software and Security"
[08:26]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/today_s_leftovers.gmi 
[08:26]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's leftovers"
[08:26]	TR News	 (NEW): Canonical/Ubuntu Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Canonical_Ubuntu_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Canonical_Ubuntu_Leftovers.gmi 
[08:26]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Canonical/Ubuntu Leftovers
[08:26]	TR News	Links 29/08/2022: Canonical Helping Microsoft Again | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/29/canonical-helping-microsoft/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/29/canonical-helping-microsoft/
[08:26]	TR Bot	 Links 29/08/2022: Canonical Helping Microsoft Again | Techrights
[08:28]	loner	ok, got some audio-output with mplayer-1.4 and OSS already, it's not completely defunct
[08:28]	TR News	Links 30/08/2022: LastPass Cracked Again, Tor Browser 11.5.2 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/lastpass-cracked-again/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/30/lastpass-cracked-again/
[08:28]	TR Bot	 Links 30/08/2022: LastPass Cracked Again, Tor Browser 11.5.2 | Techrights
[08:28]	schestowitz[TR]	oss in 2022?
[08:28]	schestowitz[TR]	afaik, no browser will support that nymore
[08:28]	schestowitz[TR]	hardly also, either
[08:28]	schestowitz[TR]	except the 'niche' ones
[08:31]	loner	currently i only got some test-setup with mplayer-1.4 and ao=oss
[08:32]	loner	ao=sdl doesn't work yet... for examplew
[08:32]	TR News	Criminals (Microsoft) lying: "We recognize the importance of a competitive environment" https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/271491/microsoft-finalizes-plans-to-fix-unfair-licensing-in-eu
[08:32]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/271491/microsoft-finalizes-plans-to-fix-unfair-licensing-in-eu )
[08:32]	loner	nonetheless, it's working and the rest can be repaired i hope, at least libsdl1 for a very long time used oss
[08:32]	TR News	"i've recently had something of a Knuth moment, resulting in me writing a small POSIX shell script for generating an EPUB." gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/users/flexibeast/gemlog/2022-08-30.gmi
[08:33]	TR News	How many words do you write in a day? gemini://josias.dev/gemlog/words.gmi
[08:34]	loner	and i am well aware of the fact, too libsdl1 is phased out almost everywhere (libsdl2 is written in c++ among other problems)
[08:35]	loner	however, the software-components remaining can be compiled with tcc-toolchain, and do not need any gcc or g++
[08:36]	loner	the mplayer-1.4/ffmpeg test case is just some mile-stone, to see how far i could with a tcc-toolchain
[08:38]	loner	it's somewhat ironic, alsa-lib failed with tcc-toolchain, while oss won't cause any problems i think
[08:44]	loner	ALSA removal back to OSS is another roll-back of 20years to salvage some free software ...
[08:45]	loner	that's probably the only reason why it still exists, because it was forgotten it existed
[08:48]	TR News	Microsoft Encryption | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/microsoft-encryption/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/30/microsoft-encryption/
[08:48]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Encryption | Techrights
[08:50]	loner	if and once i repaired any libc and linux-kernel, i got an entire distribution fully forked away from both GNU-toolchain and LLVM
[08:51]	loner	and meanwhile "free software" is continued being wrecked beyond repair, the gcc47 profile and tcc-toolchain profile are frozen and archived safe and secure
[08:51]	TR News	 IRC Proceedings: Monday, August 29, 2022 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/irc-log-290822/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?http%3A//techrights.org/2022/08/30/irc-log-290822/
[08:51]	TR Bot	 IRC Proceedings: Monday, August 29, 2022 | Techrights
[08:53]	TR News	Share screens on Linux with GNOME Connections | https://opensource.com/article/22/8/share-screens-linux-gnome-connections Source: Open Source Initiative | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//opensource.com/article/22/8/share-screens-linux-gnome-connections
[08:53]	TR Bot	screens on Linux with GNOME Connections | Opensource.com
[08:54]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.darkreading.com/cloud/lastpass-data-breach-source-code-stolen
[08:54]	TR Bot	 LastPass Suffers Data Breach, Source Code Stolen
[08:54]	schestowitz[TR]	users need to change all the passwords they have there and not keep them there if they value real security not paper mills.
[08:55]	TR News	Kubernetes 101 for developers: Names, ports, YAML files, and more https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/08/30/kubernetes-101-developers-names-ports-yaml-files-and-more
[08:55]	TR Bot	 Kubernetes 101 for developers: Names, ports, YAML files, and more | Red Hat Developer
[08:55]	TR News	ICBM, a buzzwords company https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/8/edge-computing-considerations
[08:55]	TR Bot	 Edge computing: 4 considerations for success | The Enterprisers Project
[08:58]	loner	linux kernel and libc are still heavily locked against GNU toolchain (linux against gcc; libc against binutils-as)
[08:58]	loner	however, i do know libc can be detangled from binutils-as, and for linux kernel some proof-of-concept existed too it doesn't need gcc
[08:58]	loner	so, this too is feasible
[08:59]	loner	it's not a licensing-issue either, it's a vendor-locking issue
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[09:00]	loner	and it is possible, to detangle the vendor-locks (although difficult), and comply with all licensing terms
[09:01]	loner	currently, this isn't a popular idea, not yet
[09:01]	schestowitz[TR]	end of august already
[09:01]	loner	however long-term, the potential benefits are huge, for that many reasons, including the fact i fear "free software" is approaching a state of wreckage beyond repair
[09:02]	loner	and the roll-back is simply not possible, for the big-players, such as IBM or whoever else funds FSF for "non-profit"
[09:02]	loner	Fedora or whoever couldn't just wipe ALSA and OpenGL and GNOME... however i am a the liberty to do so
[09:03]	loner	they can't just block at gcc47 and a tcc-toolchain, and loose 99% of their hardware support and user-base
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[09:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[10:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[11:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[11:34]	TR News	Linux Foundation Has Moved to More Expensive Offices, Based on IRS Papers | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/linux-foundation-has-moved/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/30/linux-foundation-has-moved/
[11:34]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation Has Moved to More Expensive Offices, Based on IRS Papers | Techrights
[11:37]	TR News	Chrome is not a Web browser but a piece of malware that can also render Web pages
[11:39]	TR News	Google YouTube continues to turn a blind eye to clickfraud even when it is reported to YouTube. And now that even YouTube executives leave you have to wonder what they know...
[11:48]	TR News	 (NEW): 7 Best Open Source Library Management Software http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/7_Best_Open_Source_Library_Management_Software.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/7_Best_Open_Source_Library_Management_Software.gmi 
[11:48]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines 7 Best Open Source Library Management Software"
[11:48]	TR News	 (NEW): Live Debugger Tool for Apps, Sidekick, is Now Open Source http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Live_Debugger_Tool_for_Apps_Sidekick_is_Now_Open_Source.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Live_Debugger_Tool_for_Apps_Sidekick_is_Now_Open_Source.gmi 
[11:48]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Live Debugger Tool for Apps, Sidekick, is Now Open Source"
[11:49]	TR News	 (NEW): 7 Best Free and Open Source Elixir Static Site Generators http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/7_Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Elixir_Static_Site_Generators.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/7_Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Elixir_Static_Site_Generators.gmi 
[11:49]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines 7 Best Free and Open Source Elixir Static Site Generators
[11:53]	TR News	 (NEW): Kylin: The multiple semi-official Chinese versions of Ubuntu http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Kylin_The_multiple_semi_official_Chinese_versions_of_Ubuntu.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Kylin_The_multiple_semi_official_Chinese_versions_of_Ubuntu.gmi 
[11:53]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Kylin: The multiple semi-official Chinese versions of Ubuntu
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[12:01]	TR News	 (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Android_Leftovers.gmi 
[12:01]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
[12:07]	TR News	Excess Deaths in the UK This Summer Worst in Years https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/30/excess-deaths-in-the-uk/
[12:07]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Excess Deaths in the UK This Summer Worst in Years
[12:09]	TR News	The Linux Foundation seems to be spending money like theres no tomorrow; it moved to the centre of San Francisco, which is notorious for its estate bubble http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/linux-foundation-has-moved/
[12:18]	TR News	 (NEW): Kylin: The multiple semi-official Chinese versions of Ubuntu http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Kylin_The_multiple_semi_official_Chinese_versions_of_Ubuntu.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Kylin_The_multiple_semi_official_Chinese_versions_of_Ubuntu.gmi 
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[12:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[12:32]	TR News	Number of Gemini Capsules (Counted by Lupa) Doubled in the Past 15 Months | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/2700-capsules/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/30/2700-capsules/
[12:32]	TR Bot	 Number of Gemini Capsules (Counted by Lupa) Doubled in the Past 15 Months | Techrights
[12:34]	TR News	Judging the "success" of a site based on going "viral" in some place like Reddit or 'Hacker' "noise" is judging something based on scoring by a bunch of corporate as-holes
[12:44]	TR News	 (NEW): Fwupd 1.8.4 Adds Support for Star LabTop Mk III Linux Laptop, Google Prism http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Fwupd_1_8_4_Adds_Support_for_Star_LabTop_Mk_III_Linux_Laptop.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Fwupd_1_8_4_Adds_Support_for_Star_LabTop_Mk_III_Linux_Laptop.gmi 
[12:44]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Fwupd 1.8.4 Adds Support for Star LabTop Mk III Linux Laptop, Google Prism
[12:44]	TR News	COVID-19 is already linked to about 205,000 deaths in the UK https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/30/excess-deaths-in-the-uk/
[12:46]	TR News	Affirming a longstanding trend, Gemini continues to grow, whereas the World Wide Web keeps shrinking http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/2700-capsules/
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[13:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[13:38]	TR News	Misattributing or Misplacing the Blame and Cause GNU/Linux Isnt More Widely Adopted by Desktop and Laptop Users | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/revisionism-re-linux-desktop/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/30/revisionism-re-linux-desktop/
[13:38]	TR Bot	 Misattributing or Misplacing the Blame and Cause GNU/Linux Isnt More Widely Adopted by Desktop and Laptop Users | Techrights
[13:40]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/today_s_howtos.1.gmi 
[13:40]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[13:43]	TR News	hwmon: (asus_wmi_ec_sensors) remove driver... "This driver utilises a WMI interface found in AMD 500 series ASUS boards, to read EC registers." https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/groeck/linux-staging.git/commit/?h=hwmon-next&id=1047fdb018cea2e17ed9c73e001f60d36afe2034
[13:43]	TR Bot	 kernel/git/groeck/linux-staging.git - hwmon staging tree
[13:43]	TR News	 (NEW): Today in Techrights http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/y.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/y.gmi 
[13:43]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Today in Techrights
[13:45]	TR News	"Starting with MTL, media functionality has moved into a new, second GT at the hardware level. This new GT, referred to as "standalone media" in the spec, has its own GuC, power management/forcewake, etc. The general non-engine GT registers for standalone media start at 0x380000, but otherwise use the same MMIO offsets as the primary GT." https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/intel-gfx/2022-August/304507.html
[13:45]	TR Bot	 [Intel-gfx] [PATCH 0/8] i915: Add "standalone media" support for MTL
[13:45]	TR News	GitLAB is NOT "web-based"; it is JAVASCRIPT-based. Not the same thing at all.
[13:47]	TR News	A lot of "webapps" became so bloated that not only can they not exceed expectations from native software; they're miles worse than that and at some stage they offer no other choice except "app" (which is just the same bloat packaged a little differently)
[13:48]	TR News	You not need JavaScript to follow Mesa development https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/18197
[13:48]	TR Bot	 zink: implement async compute pipeline creation (!18197) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab
[13:49]	TR News	"Looks like canonical is snap'ing their user base number... And also, canonical is trying to lock important apps behind snap, forcing everyone including other distro to use it." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1343252-canonical-continues-snap-ing-up-linux-gaming-for-ubuntu
[13:49]	TR Bot	Continues Snap'ing Up Linux Gaming For Ubuntu - Phoronix Forums
[13:50]	TR News	"Its pretty much evident canonical is nagging other companies to distribute their software with only snap and call it "app support for linux"" https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1343252-canonical-continues-snap-ing-up-linux-gaming-for-ubuntu
[13:50]	TR News	"Snap is the first thing I remove from an Ubuntu installation. Linux Mint is the better Ubuntu for that reason." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1343252-canonical-continues-snap-ing-up-linux-gaming-for-ubuntu
[13:51]	TR News	"The whole point of this is that apps are being packaged up in the awful containers and distributed this way. It is less work for the app makers. But it is a bad thing for the future." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1343252-canonical-continues-snap-ing-up-linux-gaming-for-ubuntu/page2
[13:51]	TR Bot	Continues Snap'ing Up Linux Gaming For Ubuntu - Phoronix Forums
[13:53]	TR News	ESP32 board supports 2.4Ghz LoRa with SX1280 RF transceiver - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/08/30/esp32-board-supports-2-4ghz-lora-with-sx1280-rf-transceiver/ Source: CNX Software | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cnx-software.com/2022/08/30/esp32-board-supports-2-4ghz-lora-with-sx1280-rf-transceiver/
[13:53]	TR Bot	 ESP32 board supports 2.4Ghz LoRa with SX1280 RF transceiver - CNX Software
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[14:18]	MinceR	https://www.deviantart.com/les-piccolo/art/PIC-7156-910579745
[14:18]	TR Bot	7156 by Les-Piccolo on DeviantArt
[14:18]	TR News	 (NEW): Crystal Linux: Emerging Arch Linux Spin for GNOME Fans http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Crystal_Linux_Emerging_Arch_Linux_Spin_for_GNOME_Fans.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Crystal_Linux_Emerging_Arch_Linux_Spin_for_GNOME_Fans.gmi 
[14:19]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Crystal Linux: Emerging Arch Linux Spin for GNOME Fans
[14:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[14:25]	TR News	[Old] Git Hooks https://devopedia.org/git-hooks
[14:25]	TR Bot	 Git Hooks
[14:32]	TR News	 (NEW): Q4OS Trinity Review http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Q4OS_Trinity_Review.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Q4OS_Trinity_Review.gmi 
[14:32]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Q4OS Trinity Review
[14:36]	TR News	"The reason this is a substitute for a crate digging post: although Ive not picked Venineth back up in a while, I have had the soundtrack on a reasonably heavy rotation. Its an immersive, synth driven instrumental album by polish musician Echo Ray that is good music to listen to when concentrating." https://jmtd.net/log/venineth/
[14:36]	TR Bot	 jmtd log Venineth
[14:40]	TR News	FTC Sues Massive Data Broker for Selling Location Info on Abortion Clinics https://www.vice.com/en/article/z343kw/ftc-sues-data-broker-kochava-selling-location-data-abortion-clinics Source: Wallanag | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.vice.com/en/article/z343kw/ftc-sues-data-broker-kochava-selling-location-data-abortion-clinics
[14:40]	TR Bot	 FTC Sues Massive Data Broker for Selling Location Info on Abortion Clinics
[14:40]	TR News	 (NEW): Linux Desktops and Hardware Enablement - Its Time for a Change http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Linux_Desktops_and_Hardware_Enablement_It_s_Time_for_a_Change.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Linux_Desktops_and_Hardware_Enablement_It_s_Time_for_a_Change.gmi 
[14:40]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Linux Desktops and Hardware Enablement - Its Time for a Change"
[14:40]	TR News	 (NEW): How Linux Respects Your Privacy (And How Windows Does NOT!) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/How_Linux_Respects_Your_Privacy_And_How_Windows_Does_NOT.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/How_Linux_Respects_Your_Privacy_And_How_Windows_Does_NOT.gmi 
[14:40]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines How Linux Respects Your Privacy (And How Windows Does NOT!)
[14:40]	TR News	3 very awful companies. https://venturebeat.com/programming-development/dell-nvidia-and-vmware-partner-to-boost-data-center-speed/
[14:40]	TR Bot	Nvidia and VMware partner to boost data center speed | VentureBeat
[14:41]	TR News	Buzzwords something... something https://www.fosslife.org/devops-approach-speeds-code-releases
[14:41]	TR Bot	 DevOps Approach Speeds Code Releases
[14:43]	TR News	Hallmark of WEBSPAM... a shopping list of products TOTALLY UNRELATED to what the subject relates to. SPEAKERS are NOT tied to laptops that run a particular OS!! https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-speakers-for-chromebooks-and-chromeboxes/ It's called affiliate spam http://techrights.org/2020/10/18/news-as-spam/
[14:43]	TR Bot	 6 Best Speakers for Chromebooks and Chromeboxes in 2022
[14:43]	TR Bot	 The Different Types of Spammy Articles and Reviews Which Have Killed Professional Journalism (Nowadays Mostly SPAM) | Techrights
[14:44]	TR News	FTC Sues Kochava for Selling Data that Tracks People at Reproductive Health Clinics, Places of Worship, and Other Sensitive Locations https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2022/08/ftc-sues-kochava-selling-data-tracks-people-reproductive-health-clinics-places-worship-other
[14:44]	TR Bot	 FTC Sues Kochava for Selling Data that Tracks People at Reproductive Health Clinics, Places of Worship, and Other Sensitive Locations | Federal Trade Commission
[14:44]	TR News	A Microsoft-friendly revisionist history says that GNU/Linux isnt more widely adopted simply because people arent used to it; while its true that people typically resist change, this guy completely fails to mention Microsofts past and ongoing crimes (as recent as this summer), so I respond to the first half of his latest video http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/revisionism-re-linux-desktop/
[14:45]	TR Bot	 Misattributing or Misplacing the Blame and Cause GNU/Linux Isnt More Widely Adopted by Desktop and Laptop Users | Techrights
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[14:51]	TR News	 (NEW): Microsoft Makes 'Linux' Look Bad and Does Anticompetitive Things http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Microsoft_Makes_Linux_Look_Bad_and_Does_Anticompetitive_Things.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Microsoft_Makes_Linux_Look_Bad_and_Does_Anticompetitive_Things.gmi 
[14:51]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Microsoft Makes 'Linux' Look Bad and Does Anticompetitive Things"
[14:56]	TR News	 (NEW): 8 Best Linux Distros To Try In VirtualBox http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/8_Best_Linux_Distros_To_Try_In_VirtualBox.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/8_Best_Linux_Distros_To_Try_In_VirtualBox.gmi 
[14:56]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines 8 Best Linux Distros To Try In VirtualBox"
[14:56]	TR News	 (NEW): 2 tools to manage infrastructure sprawl with Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/2_tools_to_manage_infrastructure_sprawl_with_Red_Hat_Enterprise.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/2_tools_to_manage_infrastructure_sprawl_with_Red_Hat_Enterprise.gmi 
[14:56]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines 2 tools to manage infrastructure sprawl with Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL)
[14:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.38 k/sec., IPFS upstream 49.95 average k/sec., average swarm size 105.63
[14:59]	TR News	"Microchip's PolarFire SoC family of chips has something of a split-personality: there's the field-programmable gate array (FPGA) side of the chips, and there's the RISC-V processing side, which turns it into a fully-fledged system-on-chip." https://www.hackster.io/news/hackster-s-fpgadventures-split-personalities-with-amp-on-the-microchip-polarfire-soc-icicle-kit-54172f03f9eb
[14:59]	TR Bot	FPGAdventures: Split Personalities with AMP on the Microchip PolarFire SoC Icicle Kit - Hackster.io
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[15:03]	psydruid	is Microsoft Azure still unstable and unprofitable? even more so than before?
[15:03]	schestowitz[TR]	they kkeep numbers secret
[15:03]	schestowitz[TR]	and lay off people
[15:03]	schestowitz[TR]	and shut down some datacentres, a Microsoft insider told me
[15:03]	schestowitz[TR]	it's a shitshow
[15:03]	schestowitz[TR]	hyped up by BRIBED media
[15:04]	schestowitz[TR]	even phoronix :/
[15:04]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/today_s_leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/today_s_leftovers.1.gmi 
[15:04]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's leftovers
[15:04]	psydruid	they're trying to spread the narrative that Azure is built on NT
[15:05]	psydruid	as if that would even be fit to run such a big operation
[15:05]	psydruid	as for phoronix, better not to waste any words on it
[15:05]	TR News	Links 30/08/2022: Fwupd 1.8.4 and FTC Privacy Battles | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/ftc-privacy-battles/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/30/ftc-privacy-battles/
[15:05]	TR Bot	 Links 30/08/2022: Fwupd 1.8.4 and FTC Privacy Battles | Techrights
[15:17]	TR News	Support.Mozilla.Org: Whats up with SUMO August 2022 https://blog.mozilla.org/sumo/2022/08/30/whats-up-with-sumo-august-2022/
[15:17]	TR Bot	 Whats up with SUMO August 2022 The Mozilla Support Blog
[15:18]	TR News	Ubuntu Core http://www.prweb.com/releases/advancements_to_explore_solutions_in_iot_based_enterprise_technology/prweb18866529.htm
[15:18]	TR Bot	 Advancements to Explore Solutions in IoT-based Enterprise Technology
[15:19]	schestowitz[TR]	mancity playing here tonight https://www.mancity.com/fixtures
[15:19]	TR Bot	 Manchester City 2022/23 Fixtures
[15:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[15:21]	TR News	The USians did the same thing to AOC https://yewtu.be/watch?v=AwDU_6OdVGg sexists...
[15:21]	TR Bot	 36-yr-old Finnish PM Sanna Marin faces calls to step down | International News | English News | WION - Invidious
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[15:25]	DaemonFC	I just had to have a tire repaired on the Buick.
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[15:25]	DaemonFC	Ran over a nail. Happened a few months ago with the Impala.
[15:26]	DaemonFC	<schestowitz[TR]> and shut down some datacentres, a Microsoft insider told me
[15:26]	DaemonFC	I was talking about all the ways Tor is sketchy.
[15:26]	MinceR	do you have a fix/replacement though?
[15:27]	DaemonFC	The Bridges that go through Azure and AWS to hide from censors and firewalls mean that your traffic is probably not that private if you have to use those.
[15:27]	DaemonFC	<MinceR> do you have a fix/replacement though?
[15:27]	DaemonFC	Some of the problems can be fixed by any user, like not going to DuckDuckGo (Microsoft).
[15:30]	schestowitz[TR]	<DaemonFC> I just had to have a tire repaired on the Buick.
[15:30]	schestowitz[TR]	that sucks
[15:30]	schestowitz[TR]	even worse than when it happens on a bicycle
[15:31]	DaemonFC	TPMS warned me about it, so I pulled over at the shop.
[15:31]	DaemonFC	The Buick is new enough that it has direct TPMS and will even warn you which tire it is.
[15:32]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], "Conservatives miss the point when they call for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting to be defunded. The problem of groomers and pedophiles and sickos in Hollywood and HBO came about in Sesame Street from the defunding and privatizing of CPB/NPR/PBS in the first place. We didn't have any of these rich California sickos and perverts brainwashing the kids when Sesame Street was produced and funded by taxpayer money."
[15:32]	DaemonFC	How does that sound?
[15:34]	DaemonFC	It's utter depravity. What made Sesame Street so great is that they didn't used to allow bullshit.
[15:34]	DaemonFC	Now it's culture wars and indoctrination and you have to be afraid to even turn on the TV and let your kids watch Sesame Street.
[15:35]	DaemonFC	I just don't remember it being like that.
[15:35]	DaemonFC	They used to have very good production value. They used to be family oriented. They used to try to be "edutainment", and it worked.
[15:37]	DaemonFC	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8yiqGtZXCmQ
[15:37]	TR Bot	 Sesame Street: Bert and Ernie in a Pyramid - Invidious
[15:38]	DaemonFC	That was one of my favorite sketches.
[15:42]	DaemonFC	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=cUusX1Js6R0
[15:42]	TR Bot	 Sesame Street: Bert and Ernie's Fish Call - Invidious
[15:43]	DaemonFC	Mom said she remembered me in the living room laughing over this one. She was doing the dishes and heard me laughing so hard she came in to see what it was and hurried up to record the rest of the scene on a blank tape.
[15:55]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], You know society is doomed when adults are amused by children's toys and don't understand the principles by which they operate.
[15:55]	DaemonFC	The morning "news" had a guy with a slinky going down a flight of stairs.
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[15:57]	schestowitz[TR]	sorry, was coding something..
[15:58]	schestowitz[TR]	Sesame Street?
[15:58]	schestowitz[TR]	how did we get to Sesame Street?
[15:59]	DaemonFC	HBO Max.
[15:59]	DaemonFC	Purging it.
[15:59]	psydruid	Microsoft boosters are calling the 10% of layoffs "nonsense" or "bollocks"
[15:59]	psydruid	oh wow
[15:59]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], Big Bird pitching COVID shots.
[15:59]	schestowitz[TR]	the denial train
[15:59]		*psydruid is glad he got to experience Sesame Street in the good old days
[15:59]	schestowitz[TR]	maybe they wikll even bolster their trolling
[15:59]	schestowitz[TR]	to show away harmful facts
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[16:00]	schestowitz[TR]	*shoe away
[16:00]	psydruid	I'm not even going to respond to them
[16:00]	psydruid	let's keep them in the dark
[16:00]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.inventiva.co.in/trends/microsoft-announces-job-cuts-google/
[16:00]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Announces Job Cuts, Google To Slow Hiring 2022
[16:00]	psydruid	and wondering what is going on with Microsoft
[16:00]	psydruid	even though they already know
[16:00]	DaemonFC	Yes, people were just more decent back then in that they didn't air their corruption openly, proudly, trying to program children with it.
[16:00]	schestowitz[TR]	Microsoft announced that it would lay off 18,000 employees over the next year. This includes 12,500 in the companys sales, marketing, and engineering divisions. Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella cites a more streamlined organization as the reasoning behind this move. [...] Microsoft says that they will be laying off 18,000 employees over the next 12 months. However, they will not be going into further details about who will o
[16:00]	schestowitz[TR]	r wont be affected by these layoffs. The company says that it is taking this step to make itself more agile and move faster. Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella has stated that the layoffs are a part of a plan to transform Microsoft from a P.C. software company to a cloud-first company.
[16:01]	DaemonFC	You don't get that now. Everything is corrupt. Even Big Bird.
[16:01]	psydruid	but don't want current and prospective customers to know
[16:01]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1i8dXf3G#replies
[16:01]	TR Bot	 Microsoft layoffs yesterday? - post regarding Microsoft Corp. layoffs
[16:02]	DaemonFC	Modern society is what you get when you start telling people that men are women are a concept and not a fact. When you tell kids that divorce and adultery are okay and just how some people choose to live, and that's fine. When you tell them that illegitimacy is a fine way to procreate.
[16:02]	psydruid	I'll just add those links to my original response without responding to the trolls
[16:02]	schestowitz[TR]	microsoft is now a clown-first company
[16:02]	schestowitz[TR]	Satan Nutella shoule know
[16:02]	schestowitz[TR]	he is a clown
[16:03]	DaemonFC	Pretty soon, instead of there being things that are so perverse and wretched that people certainly are going to scorn you, EVERYTHING is okay.
[16:03]	DaemonFC	So people are just gross and weird and take it public.
[16:04]	psydruid	anything about recent Azure layoffs and disruptions? Github?
[16:05]	DaemonFC	Illegitimacy is its own problem. It's why the social safety net is breaking down.
[16:05]	DaemonFC	People realize they're better off going down to the welfare department every time they have another one and saying they don't know who the father is.
[16:07]	DaemonFC	Sesame Street really started going downhill when it portrayed this as a "family setting" as though it were okay.
[16:07]	DaemonFC	It would have been better not to acknowledge it than to put it in the minds of children that it's an acceptable way to live.
[16:09]	schestowitz[TR]	<psydruid> anything about recent Azure layoffs and disruptions? Github?
[16:09]	schestowitz[TR]	do me a favour and try to find figures of github market share
[16:09]	schestowitz[TR]	I cannot find any
[16:09]	schestowitz[TR]	market share relatives to gitlab, self-hosted, gitea etc.
[16:09]	psydruid	I don't know if any exist
[16:09]	schestowitz[TR]	nobody is investigating these things!
[16:10]	psydruid	it's all based on hot air
[16:10]	schestowitz[TR]	yeah
[16:10]	schestowitz[TR]	wwho shouts loudest
[16:10]	DaemonFC	GitHub makes itself look bigger than it is.
[16:10]	DaemonFC	A lot of these are unofficial repos, things that haven't even been committed to in years, mirrors, fakes, empties.
[16:10]	psydruid	and then the Microsoft losers come in and try to tell you the sky is not blue but pink
[16:10]	schestowitz[TR]	gitlab: we are big!
[16:10]	DaemonFC	They count all of these as projects.
[16:10]	schestowitz[TR]	gitlba we are big big big!
[16:11]	schestowitz[TR]	gitlab measures how many people self-host gitlab
[16:11]	schestowitz[TR]	and then show off
[16:11]	schestowitz[TR]	you cannot self-host github
[16:11]	schestowitz[TR]	at best they give you a subdomain like facebook.github.something (com/io)
[16:11]	DaemonFC	gitlab's user interface is also vastly superior to GitHub's.
[16:11]	DaemonFC	I know that's not a FOSS/proprietary thing, but it's like if GitHub also looks and works worse than gitlab, that's another reason not to use it.
[16:12]	DaemonFC	I don't ever report bugs to anyone or comment on issues if they use GitHub because I won't make an account there.
[16:14]	DaemonFC	At first I was annoyed by GNOME moving to gitlab vs. bugzilla for issue reporting, then I found that the issue reporting worked better on gitlab anyway.
[16:14]	DaemonFC	You can't count on Mozilla for anything. They're using GitHub now and bugzilla is clearly on life support.
[16:14]	DaemonFC	Webkit and Wine still use bugzilla.
[16:18]	psydruid	I modified my comment without responding to the trolls
[16:18]	psydruid	because responding to them only gives them more fuel to portray you as a lunatic
[16:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[16:21]	TR News	Spending My Own Money for Office Comfort? gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-08-30-spending-my-own-money-for-office-comfort.gmi
[16:22]	TR News	"In the last few days I have been distro-hopping my PinePhone across many different distributions and desktop environments to find out what to settle on for daily-driving in the hopefully near future." gemini://blog.schmidhuberj.de/2022/08/30/distro-hopping-the-pinephone/
[16:22]	TR News	"Society should be split off into small meaningful free-thinking groups ("clades"), and these groups should be supported by a higher resource-based state. The state manages global resources (housing, food, infrastructure) and is made up of representatives from each clade." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1114
[16:23]	TR News	"Electric Batteries are not an energy source. They are an imperfect energy storage device with a heavy ecological cost." gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-08-30.electric.gmi
[16:24]	TR News	AGHMNYO Wordo: BLAHS gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-08-30.gmi
[16:25]	DaemonFC	https://www.phoronix.com/news/Ubuntu-No-GNOME-Device-Security
[16:25]	TR Bot	Isn't Yet Onboard With GNOME's "Device Security" Screen - Phoronix
[16:26]	DaemonFC	GNOME adds "Secure" Boot propaganda.
[16:27]	schestowitz[TR]	yeah
[16:27]	schestowitz[TR]	old news
[16:27]	psydruid	GNOME is "Secure" Boot propaganda
[16:27]	schestowitz[TR]	http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/richard-hughes-secure-boot-sham/
[16:27]	TR Bot	 GNOME (IBM/Red Hat Staff) Promoting Microsofts Security Scam With the Secure Boot Sham | Techrights
[16:28]	psydruid	friends don't let friends use Vista or GNOME
[16:28]	psydruid	or Red Hat, Debian or systemd-kerneld
[16:28]	psydruid	and definitely not SUSE
[16:33]	DaemonFC	OpenBSD still doesn't support "Secure" Boot.
[16:33]	DaemonFC	Theo de Raadt says all of UEFI is malicious.
[16:34]	MinceR	he's right
[16:34]	DaemonFC	He also said that "one day" there won't be an ability to turn off "Secure Boot". Said it in 2012.
[16:34]	DaemonFC	A full 10 years ahead of Matt GULAG admitting that Lenovo is a shit company that actively sabotages Free Software.
[16:34]	MinceR	i probably said something similar too :>
[16:36]	psydruid	I bought one laptop with UEFI and "Secure Boot" because I needed one after my previous one had broken down
[16:36]	psydruid	I do have a few other ones that were given to me
[16:36]	psydruid	but I was hoping the one I bought would be the first and last one
[16:37]	psydruid	it took years for it to work correctly with non-Vista operating systems
[16:37]	psydruid	GULAGBOTS will say or do anything for a big fat paycheck
[16:38]	DaemonFC	I might take another short nap.
[16:38]	DaemonFC	I thought they were going to have my car part today and it's still being worked on.
[16:38]	DaemonFC	Ended up running over a nail this morning though, so I would have had to get a tire patch anyway.
[16:39]	DaemonFC	Even a cheapo tire these days is over $100 and a patch is only $22.
[16:39]	DaemonFC	So if there's quite a bit of tread left, it's worth patching even a very low end tire.
[16:40]	DaemonFC	The tire people won't tell you this, but government regulations have pretty much eliminated the very worst offenders in the tire market by safety.
[16:40]	DaemonFC	There's still other considerations, like ride quality. But it's not worth paying $400 per tire or something crazy.
[16:41]	DaemonFC	Most governments now require low rolling resistance anyway, so the "fuel saving models" aren't saving as much vs. the cheapies anymore either.
[16:41]	DaemonFC	It's a gimmick, mostly, when you go in to select tires.
[16:41]	DaemonFC	They're having the customer name their top dollar price and then they know the price sensitivity of the customer and how badly they can screw the guy.
[16:42]	DaemonFC	There's quite a few decent "Chinese brands" now. The American car tire companies made a big mistake outsourcing to China.
[16:42]	DaemonFC	They gave the Chinese lots of capacity for manufacturing tires and now the Chinese are dropping the American brand names and selling direct.
[16:43]	DaemonFC	There's really no reason to buy "American brands" anymore. It's all made in China. The brand just means some of the money goes to American executives and their lawyers.
[16:44]	DaemonFC	They don't really have engineers anymore. That's all outsourced. When Thomson outsourced, it's not like they kept my dad around to design new TVs for them and send his specifications to China.
[16:45]	DaemonFC	Apple likes to put down "Designed by Apple in California." then "Made in China".
[16:45]	DaemonFC	:/
[16:45]	DaemonFC	In other words, "Hey buy this and support some prick who voted for Democrats to send your jobs to China and Mexico while he continues making six figures.".
[16:46]	DaemonFC	I actively avoid American "brands" that are made in China if there's something I can buy direct that's just as good.
[16:47]	DaemonFC	"White collar" people pretty much openly mock workers.
[16:47]	DaemonFC	MARISOL calls them "ghetto people".
[16:47]	DaemonFC	MATT GULAG wants his pizza and wants it NOW even though the person driving around San Francisco is probably losing money.
[16:48]	DaemonFC	Seems like every day there's a white woman that works at an investment bank calling 911 because a black guy is in the park watching birds or because her fries at McDonalds were cold and she wants the manager and the police and the police manager.
[16:49]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], You can be whatever you want to be. Just don't be a Matthew J. KAREN.
[16:49]	DaemonFC	:)
[16:50]	schestowitz[TR]	<DaemonFC> MATT GULAG wants his pizza and wants it NO
[16:50]	schestowitz[TR]	cola pizza?
[16:50]	schestowitz[TR]	*cold pizza?
[16:50]	DaemonFC	CP
[16:50]	DaemonFC	Cold Pizza
[16:50]	schestowitz[TR]	necto
[16:50]	schestowitz[TR]	necro
[16:50]	schestowitz[TR]	cold
[16:51]	schestowitz[TR]	like jhimmy savile
[16:51]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/jimmy-savile-seen-having-sex-5236010
[16:51]	TR Bot	 Jimmy Savile 'seen having sex with bodies and wheeling body of four-year-old in pram into hospital mortuary' - Daily Record
[16:51]	schestowitz[TR]	https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-26/jimmy-savile-said-to-have-sexually-abused-dead-bodies/5553742
[16:51]	TR Bot	 BBC star Jimmy Savile 'committed sex acts on dead bodies' while volunteering at hospital - ABC News
[16:51]	DaemonFC	Oh god. Ewww.
[16:52]	DaemonFC	BBC.....a little worse than CNN.
[16:52]	schestowitz[TR]	BillBC now shilling Epstein
[16:52]	schestowitz[TR]	pretending only "prince" andrew is at fauly
[16:52]	schestowitz[TR]	Bill is a hero
[16:52]	schestowitz[TR]	he just visited him iin prisonn to rleease the beast
[16:52]	schestowitz[TR]	"well, he's dead"
[16:52]	schestowitz[TR]	after the wife divorces him over it
[16:53]	schestowitz[TR]	DaemonFC: http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/the-linux-foundation-shrinks/
[16:53]	schestowitz[TR]	draft
[16:53]	TR Bot	 The Linux Foundation Got Rid of 31 Employees in 2019 (When It Fired All the Editors and All the Contributors of Linux.com Despite Revenue Soaring) | Techrights
[16:53]	schestowitz[TR]	typo check?
[16:54]	DaemonFC	Looks okay.
[16:54]	DaemonFC	Nap time.
[16:54]	schestowitz[TR]	0/
[16:54]	schestowitz[TR]	cheers
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[16:56]	TR News	The Linux Foundation Got Rid of 31 Employees in 2019 (When It Fired All the Editors and All the Contributors of Linux.com Despite Revenue Soaring) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/the-linux-foundation-shrinks/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/30/the-linux-foundation-shrinks/
[16:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.71 k/sec., IPFS upstream 126.28 average k/sec., average swarm size 114.60
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[17:09]	TR News	[Meme] The Linux Foundations Boss | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/bossing-torvalds/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/30/bossing-torvalds/
[17:09]	TR Bot	 [Meme] The Linux Foundations Boss | Techrights
[17:14]	TR News	Where LF used to be but left http://www.onelettermandrive.com/pdf/ldac_availability_6_13.pdf
[17:16]	TR News	And LF was in unit D: http://www.onelettermandrive.com/campus_plan.html# www.onelettermandrive.com/cp/building_d.html
[17:16]	TR Bot	 Letterman Digital Arts Center
[17:18]	TR News	Linux development has long been based in Portland, but Jim Zemlin and Microsoft Sheela prefer to blow away $5,000,000+ a year (NOT their own money) on some glorified estate at the banks of Golden Gate Bridge
[17:19]	TR News	 (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Android_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Android_Leftovers.1.gmi 
[17:19]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
[17:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[17:31]	TR News	When Sharing isnt Caring https://www.addictivetips.com/vpn/location-tracking-apps/
[17:31]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.addictivetips.com/vpn/location-tracking-apps/ )
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[17:38]	TR News	 (NEW): Ubuntu: Release Dates, Web Site Work, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Ubuntu_Release_Dates_Web_Site_Work_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Ubuntu_Release_Dates_Web_Site_Work_and_More.gmi 
[17:38]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Ubuntu: Release Dates, Web Site Work, and More
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[17:54]	TR News	Some ways to get better at debugging https://jvns.ca/blog/2022/08/30/a-way-to-categorize-debugging-skills/ Source: Julia Evans | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//jvns.ca/blog/2022/08/30/a-way-to-categorize-debugging-skills/
[17:54]	TR Bot	 Some ways to get better at debugging
[17:55]	Helenah	Hi :3
[17:55]	TR News	Dev snapshot: Godot 4.0 alpha 15 https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-4-0-alpha-15 still messin' around with too much Microsoft proprietary junk and GitHub :/ because Microsoft BRIBES them
[17:55]	TR Bot	 Godot Engine - Dev snapshot: Godot 4.0 alpha 15
[17:55]	schestowitz[TR]	Helenah: 0/
[17:55]	Helenah	:D
[17:55]	Helenah	:3
[17:55]		*Helenah gives schestowitz[TR] a hamper of chocolates
[17:55]		*Helenah hugs
[17:56]		*schestowitz[TR] hugs back
[17:56]	schestowitz[TR]	but no chocs
[17:56]	Helenah	Sure! :3
[17:56]	schestowitz[TR]	we stockpiled some
[17:56]		*Helenah takes back the hamper of chocolates
[17:56]	Helenah	:D
[17:57]	schestowitz[TR]	anything with milk and eggs get sexpensive now
[17:57]	schestowitz[TR]	started with veg oil
[17:57]	schestowitz[TR]	let's ee what next
[17:57]	Helenah	Yeah :(
[17:57]	schestowitz[TR]	*see
[17:57]	schestowitz[TR]	if I gave any of our chocs away, wife would kill me ;-)
[17:57]	MinceR	:)
[17:58]	Helenah	schestowitz[TR]: I don't blame her! :D
[17:58]	Helenah	I would too! I <3 chocolate! <3
[17:58]	Helenah	MinceR: :3
[17:58]	Helenah	Hi
[17:58]		*Helenah gives MinceR a hamper of chocolates
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[18:00]	TR News	OSI is now reduced to "HEY HI" (AI) hype and helping Microsoft violate the GPL, as well as cause others to violate the GPL, under the guise of "HEY HI". https://blog.opensource.org/when-hackers-take-on-ai-sci-fi-or-the-future/
[18:00]	TR Bot	 When hackers take on AI: Sci-fi or the future? - Voices of Open Source
[18:00]	MinceR	:3
[18:01]	TR News	OSI funds GPL violations http://techrights.org/2021/12/30/osi-budget-for-proprietary-software-monopoly/
[18:01]	TR Bot	 In the Latest OSI Tax Filing (From the IRS), Filed 13 Months Ago, Only 4% of the Revenue Comes From Members (People, Not Corporations) and $252,702 Goes to Microsoft Projects (Propping Up Proprietary Software Monopoly) | Techrights
[18:02]	TR News	Severity 9.8 out of 10 https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-242-10
[18:02]	TR Bot	 PTC Kepware KEPServerEX | CISA
[18:03]	MinceR	(cat) https://ircz.de/p/22081325
[18:03]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.imgur.com/rILOjkP.jpg created on 2022-08-13 08:18:32.950019
[18:03]	TR News	"Opening a specially crafted file could cause the affected product to fail to release its memory reference potentially resulting in arbitrary code execution." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-242-09
[18:03]	TR Bot	 Omron CX-Programmer | CISA
[18:10]	TR News	 (NEW): LINMOB.net - Weekly GNU-like Mobile Linux Update (33 and 34/2022): Always consider: There are human beings on the other side, too. http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/LINMOB_net_Weekly_GNU_like_Mobile_Linux_Update_33_and_34_2022_A.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/LINMOB_net_Weekly_GNU_like_Mobile_Linux_Update_33_and_34_2022_A
[18:10]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines LINMOB.net - Weekly GNU-like Mobile Linux Update (33 and 34/2022): Always consider: There are human beings on the other side, too.
[18:11]	TR News	Converseen Image Converter is Available as AppImage - Fasterland https://fasterland.net/converseen-image-converter-is-available-as-appimage.html Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//fasterland.net/converseen-image-converter-is-available-as-appimage.html
[18:11]	TR Bot	 Converseen Image Converter is Available as AppImage - Fasterland
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[18:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[18:22]	psydruid	it's time for GULAGBOTS vs ICBMBOTS
[18:22]	TR News	What does this have to do with Linux? Nothing. Microsoft-outsourced (GitHub/proprietary software) openwashing services and PR assignments. https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/lfph-tackles-digital-twins-technology/
[18:22]	TR Bot	 LFPH Tackles the Next Frontier in Open Source Health Technology: The Rise of Digital Twins - Linux Foundation
[18:23]	TR News	"CISA has released 12 Industrial Control Systems (ICS) advisories on August 30, 2022. These advisories provides timely information about current security issues, vulnerabilities, and exploits surrounding ICS." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/08/29/cisa-releases-12-industrial-control-systems-advisories
[18:23]	TR Bot	 CISA Releases 12 Industrial Control Systems Advisories | CISA
[18:28]	TR News	Hitachi Energy is failing to patch Free software. This isn't a security problem in that software but in the PROPRIETARY crap Hitachi Energy is building with it... https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-242-03
[18:28]	TR Bot	 Hitachi Energy MSM Product | CISA
[18:29]	TR News	The Linux Foundations greed and its awful priorities (promoting Microsoft and GitHub instead of GNU/Linux) is rather revealing and deserving of public scrutiny http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/the-linux-foundation-shrinks/
[18:29]	TR Bot	 The Linux Foundation Got Rid of 31 Employees in 2019 (When It Fired All the Editors and All the Contributors of Linux.com Despite Revenue Soaring) | Techrights
[18:29]	TR News	[Meme] The Linux Foundations Boss http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/bossing-torvalds/
[18:30]	TR Bot	 [Meme] The Linux Foundations Boss | Techrights
[18:31]	TR News	8.7 (out of 10) in severity https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-242-05
[18:31]	TR Bot	 Fuji Electric D300win | CISA
[18:32]	TR News	FACEPALM!!! " The affected product root credentials are hard-coded and not changed automatically when first commissioned, which may allow an attacker with SSH access to the device to gain full control." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-242-06
[18:32]	TR Bot	 Honeywell ControlEdge | CISA
[18:33]	TR News	9.1 out of 10. Honeywell did it again. https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-242-07
[18:33]	TR Bot	 Honeywell Experion LX | CISA
[18:34]	TR News	Low attack complexity https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-242-08
[18:34]	TR Bot	 Honeywell Trend Controls Inter-Controller Protocol | CISA
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● Aug 30
[19:00]	starstreak	"I'm your worst nightmare" -esr
[19:02]	starstreak	I love Revolution OS, its so bad in a good way
[19:03]	starstreak	End of line
[19:18]	psydruid	The sequal called Systemd OS was never released
[19:18]	psydruid	sequel*
[19:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[19:31]	starstreak	psydruid, are you being serious?
[19:32]	psydruid	starstreak, of course I am
[19:32]	starstreak	i would watch that, i love systemd
[19:33]	psydruid	that movie will be made especially for you some day
[19:33]	starstreak	=)
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[20:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[20:23]	XRevan86	CIT (War in Ukraine): https://telegra.ph/Dispatch-for-August-26-08-30
[20:23]	TR Bot	 Dispatch for August 26 Telegraph
[20:54]		-tomaw/Wallops-I need to do a quick reroute. It'll be messy but should be quick
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[21:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[21:24]	DaemonFC	There we go. My overalls came in the mail.
[21:24]	DaemonFC	Shipping has been rather....iffy....lately.
[21:24]	DaemonFC	Now I don't have to wear a belt. I hate belts. Evil belts! Bad belts!
[21:25]	DaemonFC	Always giving you belt problems.
[21:25]	DaemonFC	Pinches here, wears out and comes unbonded. Have to buy a new one. Even belts on your car. They squeak and snap and break.
[21:25]	DaemonFC	Can't count on belts for anything.
[21:26]	DaemonFC	Can't even beat your kids anymore ever since the liberals took over. Well, don't worry. There will be a time when the state deals with them acting up, by sending the police to murder them instead, since they didn't learn anything at your house. Except to get a COVID shot and misinformation about gender from Big Bird (HBO).
[21:27]	DaemonFC	They killed Big Bird and replaced him with a Big Bird impostor.
[21:28]	psydruid	https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1988119
[21:28]	TR Bot	 Bug #1988119 Update to systemd 237-3ubuntu10.54 broke dns : Bugs : systemd package : Ubuntu
[21:28]	psydruid	Systemd OS broke broken Azure even more
[21:37]	starstreak	I'd blame ubuntu for it
[21:37]	starstreak	i use arch btw and my system is fine
[21:43]	psydruid	arch is "fine" btw
[21:46]	MinceR	arch is garbage
[21:46]	starstreak	[britney@archbtw ~]$ uname -r
[21:46]	starstreak	5.19.5-arch1-1
[21:47]	psydruid	does arch ship with systemd btw?
[21:47]	starstreak	yes
[21:48]	psydruid	that makes it even more fine
[21:48]	MinceR	lol
[21:49]	starstreak	i could say that devuan is trash but that would be petty
[21:49]	starstreak	the only distro i attack is ubuntu which is the biggest trash heap out there
[21:49]	MinceR	devuan is maintained by people who can write rc scripts
[21:49]	MinceR	unlike arch
[21:50]	MinceR	and no, the biggest trash heap out there is fedora
[21:50]	TR News	 (NEW): Ubuntu 22.10: Release Date & New Features http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Ubuntu_22_10_Release_Date_New_Features.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Ubuntu_22_10_Release_Date_New_Features.gmi 
[21:50]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Ubuntu 22.10: Release Date & New Features"
[21:50]	TR News	 (NEW): This Unofficial Ubuntu Software App is Better Than Ubuntus Actual One http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/This_Unofficial_Ubuntu_Software_App_is_Better_Than_Ubuntu_s_Act.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/This_Unofficial_Ubuntu_Software_App_is_Better_Than_Ubuntu_s_Act.gmi 
[21:50]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines This Unofficial Ubuntu Software App is Better Than Ubuntus Actual One"
[21:50]	MinceR	fedora forced that malware on its users^Whostages first
[21:50]	TR News	 (NEW): The 6 Best Websites to Download Linux Games http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/The_6_Best_Websites_to_Download_Linux_Games.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/The_6_Best_Websites_to_Download_Linux_Games.gmi 
[21:50]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines The 6 Best Websites to Download Linux Games"
[21:50]	TR News	 (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Android_Leftovers.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Android_Leftovers.2.gmi 
[21:50]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
[21:50]	starstreak	ubuntu bundles mono and tried to get away with adding an amazon keylogger
[21:51]	psydruid	that makes it more human
[21:51]	psydruid	it's designed by psychopaths for psychopaths
[21:55]	XRevan86	https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/08/30/former-soviet-leader-mikhail-gorbachev-has-died "Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev dies at 91"
[21:55]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[21:58]	TR News	A Beginners Guide to Shell Scripting in Linux - Make Tech Easier https://www.maketecheasier.com/beginners-guide-scripting-linux/ Source: MakeTech Easier | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.maketecheasier.com/beginners-guide-scripting-linux/
[21:58]	TR Bot	 A Beginner's Guide to Shell Scripting in Linux - Make Tech Easier
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[22:03]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/today_s_howtos.2.gmi 
[22:03]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[22:04]	TR News	6 Things I HATE about using GNU/LINUX - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=pCPDWQ5yGFQ | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/pCPDWQ5yGFQ
[22:04]	TR Bot	 6 Things I HATE about using LINUX - Invidious
[22:05]	TR News	Regata OS 22.0.3 Quick overview #linux #kdeneon - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=bp3CPsdcc-w | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/bp3CPsdcc-w
[22:05]	TR Bot	 Regata OS 22.0.3 Quick overview #linux #kdeneon - Invidious
[22:06]	TR News	WordPress 6.0.2 Security and Maintenance Release - WordPress News https://wordpress.org/news/2022/08/wordpress-6-0-2-security-and-maintenance-release/ Source: WP | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//wordpress.org/news/2022/08/wordpress-6-0-2-security-and-maintenance-release/
[22:06]	TR Bot	 WordPress 6.0.2 Security and Maintenance Release WordPress News
[22:09]	TR News	"The pgagroal community is happy to announce version 1.5.0. The release was driven by Luca Ferrari with a focus on production level usability." https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pgagroal-150-2502/
[22:09]	TR Bot	 PostgreSQL: pgagroal 1.5.0
[22:10]	TR News	corbet ('linux' foundation) boosting Microsoft proprietary software, which is also an ATTACK on Git. WHY? https://lwn.net/Articles/906501/
[22:10]	TR Bot	database internals II: commit history queries (GitHub blog) [LWN.net]
[22:10]	TR News	 (UPDATEDx3): Kubernetes v1.25: Combiner (UPDATEDx3) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Kubernetes_v1_25_Combiner.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Kubernetes_v1_25_Combiner.gmi 
[22:10]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Kubernetes v1.25: Combiner (UPDATEDx3)
[22:10]	MinceR	good riddance re gorbachev
[22:10]	TR News	kernel/git/westeri/thunderbolt.git - Thunderbolt and USB4 development tree https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/westeri/thunderbolt.git/commit/?h=next
[22:10]	TR Bot	 kernel/git/westeri/thunderbolt.git - Thunderbolt and USB4 development tree
[22:10]	schestowitz[TR]	MinceR: dead?
[22:11]	schestowitz[TR]	orcbachev?
[22:11]	MinceR	yeah
[22:12]	schestowitz[TR]	did he get buried with his wife, Ronald?
[22:13]	TR News	New Gulag malware. It can also render Web pages. https://chromereleases.googleblog.com/2022/08/stable-channel-update-for-desktop_30.html
[22:13]	TR Bot	 Chrome Releases: Stable Channel Update for Desktop
[22:15]	TR News	proposing Sourceware as Software Freedom Conservancy member project https://sourceware.org/pipermail/overseers/2022q3/018802.html
[22:15]	TR Bot	 proposing Sourceware as Software Freedom Conservancy member project
[22:16]	TR News	The Time for Can-Kicking Has Passed: Fix Universal Service Contribution Now - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/the-time-for-can-kicking-has-passed-fix-universal-service-contribution-now/ Source: Public Knowledge | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//publicknowledge.org/the-time-for-can-kicking-has-passed-fix-universal-service-contribution-now/
[22:16]	TR Bot	 The Time for Can-Kicking Has Passed: Fix Universal Service Contribution Now - Public Knowledge
[22:16]	MinceR	\_()_/
[22:17]	DaemonFC	https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/article%3Fhttps%253A%252F%252Fnews.yahoo.com%252Fflorida-anti-riot-law-infringes-195501893.html
[22:17]	TR Bot	 Gemini Portal
[22:17]	TR News	Outsourcing to proprietary software (AWS) to run more proprietary software (SAP). SUSE is about that... https://www.suse.com/c/suse-byos-images-and-the-aws-marketplace/
[22:17]	TR Bot	BYOS Images and the AWS Marketplace | SUSE Communities
[22:18]	DaemonFC	The United Nations (which nobody gives a fuck about and is non-binding) thinks "protesters" in Florida have a right to smash up your car and threaten to kill you, and that panicking and hitting the gas infringes on their rights.
[22:18]	TR News	Last chance to submit to FOSS XR! https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/last-chance-to-submit-to-foss-xr!.html Source: Collabora | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/last-chance-to-submit-to-foss-xr!.html
[22:18]	TR Bot	 Last chance to submit to FOSS XR!
[22:19]	DaemonFC	"DeSantis first proposed the law, which targeted mob intimidation by increasing penalties for people who participate in a protest that turns disorderly and allowed people to sue cities that dont quell uprisings." <-----This could also be applied to punish anti-abortion protesters if they become violent or disorderly.
[22:20]	DaemonFC	Of course they generally don't, so the Republicans know those people are probably safe.
[22:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[22:20]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], I'm going to mention the Illinois State Police "FOID Raids".
[22:20]	DaemonFC	It's the Thought Police.
[22:21]	DaemonFC	The Pre-Crime division enforcing the Minority Report.
[22:21]	DaemonFC	They raid 2,000 people, and find only one nutcase that was possibly dangerous, so they don't want to talk about the other 1,999 people that had their constitutional rights trampled to find that 1 guy. And when they found that guy, the guns weren't the biggest problem.
[22:22]	DaemonFC	Since he was also making bombs, which you can't get a permit for in the first place, obviously.
[22:22]	psydruid	Sourceware, Gulagware, Microwear, it's all in the name
[22:22]	TR News	"PowerShell Linux commands"? PowerShell is Microsoft lock-in, it hardly belong in GNU/Linux. Rewrite in something like bash. https://www.techtarget.com/searchitoperations/tutorial/How-and-why-PowerShell-Linux-commands-differ-from-Windows
[22:22]	TR Bot	 How and why PowerShell Linux commands differ from Windows
[22:22]	DaemonFC	So 0.05% of their raids were people who were an immediate danger to the public, and there's no reason they ceouldn't have taken their evidence against him to a judge to get a search warrant.
[22:23]	DaemonFC	Of course, the liberal media never asks the obvious questions.
[22:24]	DaemonFC	"How would this law have stopped all "gun" crimes that happened in the past?" and "Why would criminals care about this law when the ones we have now don't stop anything?"
[22:25]	DaemonFC	Someone should make a browser plug-in that translates liberal horseshit to English.
[22:26]	DaemonFC	Example: "Pregnant people" to "Pregnant women".
[22:26]	schestowitz[TR]	off topic anyway
[22:26]	schestowitz[TR]	for this channel
[22:27]	TR News	Microsoft is trying to blame others for its own incompetence, as usual. Microsoft is trying to blame others for its own incompetence, as usual http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Microsoft_Makes_Linux_Look_Bad_and_Does_Anticompetitive_Things.shtml
[22:27]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Microsoft Makes 'Linux' Look Bad and Does Anticompetitive Things (Updated)"
[22:27]	TR News	 (NEW): Kubuntu Focus announce New NX Desktop http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Kubuntu_Focus_announce_New_NX_Desktop.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Kubuntu_Focus_announce_New_NX_Desktop.gmi 
[22:27]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Kubuntu Focus announce New NX Desktop
[22:28]	TR News	Security Boulevard: anti-Linux site. Of course Jim Zemlin and his fellow frauds liaised with this anti-Linux site. Anti-Linux is the new business model.
[22:31]	TR News	Months ago Microsoft was badmouthing "Linux" over 'security' and now it's doing it again because Azure broke down, adding to issues such as losses and layoffs.
[22:32]	TR News	Microsoft is a clown-first company. Look at their CEO. http://techrights.org/2020/07/30/microsoft-gender-equality/
[22:32]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Gender (In)Equality: Women Dont Ask for Raises | Techrights
[22:34]	TR News	Why would anyone trust Azure at this point? http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/29/Canonical_is_Working_for_Microsoft_Again.shtml
[22:34]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Canonical is Working for Microsoft Again (UPDATED)"
[22:36]	TR News	 (UPDATED): Canonical is Working for Microsoft Again (UPDATED)" http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/29/Canonical_is_Working_for_Microsoft_Again.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/29/Canonical_is_Working_for_Microsoft_Again.gmi 
[22:39]	TR News	GRUB Broke My Arch Linux Installation!! - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=b_KHtK2b5cA | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/b_KHtK2b5cA
[22:39]	TR Bot	 GRUB Broke My Arch Linux Installation!! - Invidious
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[22:42]	TR News	Promo Sprint 2022 | KDE.news https://dot.kde.org/2022/08/30/promo-sprint-2022 Source: KDE | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//dot.kde.org/2022/08/30/promo-sprint-2022
[22:42]	TR Bot	 Promo Sprint 2022 | KDE.news
[22:43]	TR News	 (NEW): Events: Promo Sprint 2022 and FOSS XR http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Events_Promo_Sprint_2022_and_FOSS_XR.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Events_Promo_Sprint_2022_and_FOSS_XR.gmi 
[22:43]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Events: Promo Sprint 2022 and FOSS XR
[22:43]	TR News	"Koustubh is a veteran of Capitol Hill and public interest organizations, having served most recently as Senior Policy Counsel at New Americas Open Technology Institute. He was previously the tech policy attorney for the national civil rights organization Asian Americans Advancing Justice | AAJC." https://publicknowledge.org/privileged-conversations-sept-2022/
[22:43]	TR Bot	 Privileged Conversations | Sept. 2022 - Public Knowledge
[22:44]	TR News	"Equipped with 16 digital I/Os and 16 digital inputs, the Nyquist 1 can be used with all sorts of sensors to measure force and strain, pressure, temperature, current & voltage, luminosity, weight, pH" https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/08/31/daqifi-nyquist-1-wi-fi-iot-data-acquisition-system/
[22:44]	TR Bot	 DAQiFi Nyquist 1 - A battery-powered Wi-Fi IoT data acquisition system (Crowdfunding) - CNX Software
[22:46]	TR News	 (NEW): Videos: Regata OS 22.0.3, GRUB, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Videos_Regata_OS_22_0_3_GRUB_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Videos_Regata_OS_22_0_3_GRUB_and_More.gmi 
[22:46]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Videos: Regata OS 22.0.3, GRUB, and More
[22:50]	TR News	 (NEW): Security: Patches, Industrial Control Systems, and WordPress 6.0.2 Security Release http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Security_Patches_Industrial_Control_Systems_and_WordPress_6_0_2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Security_Patches_Industrial_Control_Systems_and_WordPress_6_0_2.gmi 
[22:50]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Security: Patches, Industrial Control Systems, and WordPress 6.0.2 Security Release"
[22:51]	TR News	 (NEW): Software: Chrome 105, pgagroal 1.5.0, and Converseen as AppImage http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Software_Chrome_105_pgagroal_1_5_0_and_Converseen_as_AppImage.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Software_Chrome_105_pgagroal_1_5_0_and_Converseen_as_AppImage.gmi 
[22:51]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Software: Chrome 105, pgagroal 1.5.0, and Converseen as AppImage
[22:54]	TR News	Fight to Repair Daily: August 26, 2022 - securepairs.org https://securepairs.org/fight-to-repair-daily-august-26-2022/ Source: Securepairs | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//securepairs.org/fight-to-repair-daily-august-26-2022/
[22:54]	TR Bot	to Repair Daily: August 26, 2022 securepairs.org
[22:58]	TR News	 (NEW): Two things that will never die: bash scripts and IRC!" http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Two_things_that_will_never_die_bash_scripts_and_IRC.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Two_things_that_will_never_die_bash_scripts_and_IRC.gmi 
[22:58]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Two things that will never die: bash scripts and IRC!"
[22:58]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/08/30/the-illinois-state-thought-police-raid-thousands-of-people-to-confiscate-guns-under-the-unconstitutional-foid-act/
[22:58]	TR Bot	 The Illinois State (Thought) Police raid thousands of people to confiscate guns under the unconstitutional FOID Act. | BaronHK's Rants
[22:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 13.91 k/sec., IPFS upstream 140.76 average k/sec., average swarm size 121.28
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[23:00]	TR News	 (NEW): Raspberry Pi Generates QR Codes to Unlock Gates and Doors http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Raspberry_Pi_Generates_QR_Codes_to_Unlock_Gates_and_Doors.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Raspberry_Pi_Generates_QR_Codes_to_Unlock_Gates_and_Doors.gmi 
[23:00]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Raspberry Pi Generates QR Codes to Unlock Gates and Doors"
[23:01]	TR News	 (NEW): Raspberry Pi Turns Typewriter into Working Linux Terminal http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Raspberry_Pi_Turns_Typewriter_into_Working_Linux_Terminal.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Raspberry_Pi_Turns_Typewriter_into_Working_Linux_Terminal.gmi 
[23:01]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Raspberry Pi Turns Typewriter into Working Linux Terminal
[23:02]	TR News	"I also try and write a little bit for my capsule 4-5 days a week. Right now I'm writing short blurbs about movies I've watched, but I'd like to write about books and other things that interest me. So far my movie opinion also range from 45-230 words." gemini://gem.saayaa.space/gemlog/2022-08-30-re-how-many-words.gmi
[23:03]	TR News	"I have some Bushnell 4x30 Powerview binoculars I can't remember from where I got them." gemini://gem.librehacker.com/gemlog/your-word/20220830-0.gmi
[23:04]	TR News	"I've been playing with a new array programming language called BQN, and trying to solve Project Euler problems with it." gemini://bad-gateway.smol.pub/20220829
[23:04]	TR News	Weaning off social media and the over-capitalised Big Internet life gemini://xiu.smol.pub/1661838260
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[23:05]	TR News	Trying and seeing gemini://junedune0.flounder.online/gemlog/2022-08-30-First.gmi
[23:12]	TR News	 (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/Programming_Leftovers.gmi 
[23:12]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
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[23:12]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's Leftovers" http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/today_s_leftovers.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/30/today_s_leftovers.2.gmi 
[23:12]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's leftovers"
[23:13]	TR News	Links 30/08/2022: Azure Breaks Down Again and pgagroal 1.5.0 Released | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/pgagroal-1-5-0/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/30/pgagroal-1-5-0/
[23:14]	TR Bot	 Links 30/08/2022: Azure Breaks Down Again and pgagroal 1.5.0 Released | Techrights
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[23:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-29.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-30.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[23:21]	TR News	"Ive always found HTML email to be unpleasant (even before I knew about HTML vs plain-text email), but its always been just an annoyance. However, I now use a TUI mail client (aerc), so HTML emails are downright unreadable." gemini://dj-chase.com/documents/pleasant-html-mail.gmi
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[23:36]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/08/30/hiv-decriminalization-the-democratic-party-of-cook-county-illinois-enforced-it-all-the-way-to-the-end/
[23:36]	TR Bot	 HIV decriminalization. (The Democratic Party of Cook County, Illinois enforced it all the way to the end.) | BaronHK's Rants
[23:37]	DaemonFC	Putting HIV patients in prison. Democrat Prosecutor Kim Foxx did that!
[23:38]	DaemonFC	The Democratic Party has pretty good PR.
[23:38]	DaemonFC	They openly attack gays and blacks and get nearly 100% of the votes.
[23:38]	schestowitz[TR]	it is all relative
[23:38]	schestowitz[TR]	in the twe-party coprporate state
[23:38]	schestowitz[TR]	*two
[23:39]	DaemonFC	There's no reason why we should tolerate this.
[23:39]	TR News	Wikipedia Helps Linux Foundation Spread Lies, Revisionism | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/lf-year-of-formation/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/30/lf-year-of-formation/
[23:39]	TR Bot	 Wikipedia Helps Linux Foundation Spread Lies, Revisionism | Techrights
[23:39]	DaemonFC	The only thing the Democrats have to do is go "but those guys are worse". This isn't a democracy and frankly, their statement is barely even true.
[23:40]	MinceR	they're careful to keep it just barely true :>
[23:40]	MinceR	their presidential candidate reflects that
[23:41]	DaemonFC	Tell me about it.
[23:41]	DaemonFC	starstreak thinks I'm a Republican.
[23:42]	DaemonFC	Everyone says I'm a Republican, except the people who say I'm a Democrat.
[23:42]	DaemonFC	Nobody actually asks and they can't all be right.
[23:42]	DaemonFC	It's because both sides have simpletons who go "Uh huh, uh huh. uh huh..... Wait! You disagree with me on ONE issue?".
[23:43]	DaemonFC	The first issue you get to, that's when you're in the party they don't like.
[23:43]	DaemonFC	I guess I'm a Democrat if the hostages at Stockholm were in the Bank Robber Party.
[23:44]	DaemonFC	You do and say what you need to, in order to survive.
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[23:50]	TR News	[Meme] The Misleadingly Named Foundation | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/the-misleading-lf/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/30/the-misleading-lf/
[23:50]	TR Bot	 [Meme] The Misleadingly Named Foundation | Techrights
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[23:59]	TR News	"'Ass-Hat' Is a Word That Has No Meaning. It Is Just an Epithet" https://reason.com/volokh/2022/06/20/ass-hat-is-a-word-that-has-no-meaning-it-is-just-an-epithet/
[23:59]	TR Bot	 "'Ass-Hat' Is a Word That Has No Meaning. It Is Just an Epithet"