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danielp3344 | dabblerdude: have you considered a different OS? | Dec 30 00:07 |
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danielp3344 | I assure you there are plenty of options better than win10 | Dec 30 00:07 |
dabblerdude | I did originally. I'm trying to sell this one computer that originally had Ubuntu MATE on it. After it failed to sell, I realized that most people would want to buy PCs with 10 on them. | Dec 30 00:08 |
cybrNaut | XRevan86> dabblerdude: Pass an inspection. <= can you elaborate? I was told win10 is gratis, which implies that it's legal | Dec 30 00:09 |
XRevan86 | cybrNaut: If it's not activated, then no. | Dec 30 00:10 |
XRevan86 | There are catches here. I'm not a specialist on the topic. | Dec 30 00:10 |
cybrNaut | danielp3344: i recently encountered a shitty Canon MFD driver, where you must run Windows to send a fax (the linux driver doesn't support the fax, wine doesn't work, and ReactOS does not work) Did I miss anything? | Dec 30 00:10 |
XRevan86 | cybrNaut: That's just an anecdote %) | Dec 30 00:11 |
XRevan86 | Here my anecdote: I have a scanner that works, but drivers for Windows are a goner, so if I were a Windows user, I'd trash it already. | Dec 30 00:12 |
danielp3344 | cybrNaut: Last time I sent a fax I hacked something together with SIP | Dec 30 00:12 |
danielp3344 | I forget how well it worked | Dec 30 00:12 |
danielp3344 | It was mostly an experiment | Dec 30 00:12 |
cybrNaut | danielp3344: I'm using SIP... that's the upstream setup, but the MFD is the thing doing the sending | Dec 30 00:13 |
XRevan86 | danielp3344: "I forget" – well, don't then, stop forgetting. | Dec 30 00:13 |
danielp3344 | cybrNaut get a sip client for your pc and do the faxing there? | Dec 30 00:13 |
danielp3344 | there are a few programs that support it I think | Dec 30 00:13 |
cybrNaut | danielp3344: i might mess with hylafax.. is that what you used? | Dec 30 00:15 |
danielp3344 | no | Dec 30 00:16 |
dabblerdude | https://imgur.com/a/v2yoxpC | Dec 30 00:27 |
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dabblerdude | You can do this legitimately. So it is legal. | Dec 30 00:28 |
dabblerdude | It's not done with Microsoft Toolkit or any other warez. | Dec 30 00:28 |
dabblerdude | See the setup screen there? That's what I had to go through when I was setting up an unactivated version of it. | Dec 30 00:28 |
cybrNaut | i thought win10 was gratis because MS profits from ads and surveillance capitalism. | Dec 30 00:30 |
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MinceR | lol | Dec 30 00:31 |
danielp3344 | cybrNaut: did you really think they'd stop there? :P | Dec 30 00:31 |
dabblerdude | Microsoft has taken a different approach when dealing with unactivated versions of Windows 10 compared to previous versions like 7, Vista, or XP. | Dec 30 00:31 |
cybrNaut | danielp3344: it's not speculation. Someone told me it was gratis, and that person gave me a link to download win10 directly from MS servers. And the link worked. I was not asked to pay. And, iirc, I was not asked for a product code either | Dec 30 00:32 |
danielp3344 | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Dec 30 00:32 |
danielp3344 | I don't really know much about windows | Dec 30 00:32 |
danielp3344 | thankfully I haven't had to touch it for about 5 years now | Dec 30 00:32 |
cybrNaut | it was like 5+ yrs ago that I dealt with it | Dec 30 00:33 |
cybrNaut | so i'm not really in touch with it.. i just recall the guy was quite confident that MS no longer sold it for money | Dec 30 00:34 |
dabblerdude | So what I did was I downloaded the Microsoft Creation Tool from their website, downloaded a Windows 10 iso from the tool officially, went through the setup screen and installed an unactivated version of 10 legitimately. | Dec 30 00:34 |
dabblerdude | What I wanted to know is that, what big features does an unactivated version disable compared to an activated one besides not being able to change the default wallpaper? | Dec 30 00:35 |
danielp3344 | changeable wallpaper is a 'feature'? lol | Dec 30 00:36 |
dabblerdude | I'm trying to sell this one computer with that on it and I need to tell the buyer in my description what features you cannot utilize with that compared to an activated version. | Dec 30 00:36 |
MinceR | for microsloth, it is | Dec 30 00:36 |
dabblerdude | danielp3344: Yeah, you cannot change the default blue Windows wallpaper with an unactivated version. You're stuck with it forever. Lol. | Dec 30 00:36 |
cybrNaut | Microsnot Winblows probably profits from ads on the wallpaper | Dec 30 00:36 |
psydroid | lol, who cares about the wallpaper | Dec 30 00:37 |
dabblerdude | Has anyone in this chat ran an unactivated version before? | Dec 30 00:37 |
psydroid | at this point they're probably happy people don't trash windows before it's ever run | Dec 30 00:38 |
psydroid | you run an unactivated version until you activate it | Dec 30 00:38 |
cybrNaut | i think i installed win10 w/out activation for a one-off task, then deleted it.. my memory isn't good though | Dec 30 00:39 |
dabblerdude | I've looked up videos with the differences between activated and unactivated versions but the problem is is that most of those videos are 2 years old. I run Build 1909, and that came out last month. Those videos show they're running older builds of it. | Dec 30 00:39 |
dabblerdude | Older than 1909. | Dec 30 00:40 |
dabblerdude | I need to tell the buyer of the computer these things so I don't get into any trouble with them because I failed to mention the important stuff. | Dec 30 00:41 |
psydroid | I've installed some versions of win10 unactivated for the same reason, they never last very long because I don't keep more data on it than necessary | Dec 30 00:41 |
psydroid | I haven't seen any different behaviour with 1903 | Dec 30 00:42 |
cybrNaut | danielp3344: so you took no notes on what you used to send a fax on linux w/out any fax hardware? There is often feature-poor fax modems that call for a software fax modem, but the signal still generally goes through the 2-wire phone line to a phone to a phone line or SIP ATA. did you successfully send a fax entirely with software? | Dec 30 00:42 |
psydroid | of which I have an activated install because the key is in the UEFI | Dec 30 00:42 |
psydroid | but all of that is moot, because I run and use GNU/Linux 99.9% of the time | Dec 30 00:44 |
dabblerdude | psydroid: Can you remember what features you could not use when you were running unactivated installs? | Dec 30 00:45 |
dabblerdude | Besides personalization? | Dec 30 00:45 |
psydroid | dabblerdude, not really, I just used it to run one application before I reset the machine again | Dec 30 00:48 |
psydroid | that's all I use Windows for these days | Dec 30 00:48 |
dabblerdude | Dang. | Dec 30 00:48 |
psydroid | maybe set higher resolutions? | Dec 30 00:49 |
psydroid | but even that works fine in Virtualbox | Dec 30 00:49 |
XRevan86 | psydroid: That'd be silly | Dec 30 00:49 |
psydroid | it picks up 1920x1080 automatically | Dec 30 00:49 |
cybrNaut | danielp3344: does this ring any bells? https://github.com/gonicus/gofaxip I would like to get something like that going. | Dec 30 00:49 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - gonicus/gofaxip: GOfax.IP - T.38 / Fax Over IP backend for HylaFAX using FreeSWITCH | Dec 30 00:49 | |
cybrNaut | i wonder if you used asterisk with iaxmodem | Dec 30 00:54 |
MinceR | 30 013727 < psydroid> lol, who cares about the wallpaper | Dec 30 01:02 |
MinceR | yeah, having Backdoors10 is a much greater problem than not being able to change the wallpaper | Dec 30 01:02 |
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psydroid | it is, unfortunately I had to use it for a course recently because they couldn't get the lab project to work on Linux | Dec 30 01:04 |
psydroid | which also meant I had to reinstall the latest version and a few applications | Dec 30 01:05 |
MinceR | https://youtu.be/Z2eipuPVciI | Dec 30 01:28 |
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DaemonFC[m] | If you don't activate Windows 10 you can't change the theme or wallpaper and there's a watermark that says it isn't activated. | Dec 30 04:27 |
oiaohm | And it skipping out on installing particular updates as well. | Dec 30 04:28 |
oiaohm | so make you more of a security sitting duck. | Dec 30 04:28 |
MinceR | you're a sitting duck securitywise anyway if you run winblows | Dec 30 04:29 |
schestowitz | RMS: | Dec 30 04:29 |
schestowitz | > You can help me by not writing about the bogus issues that were used | Dec 30 04:29 |
schestowitz | > for cancelling me. What I want is for them to be more or less | Dec 30 04:29 |
schestowitz | > forgotten. | Dec 30 04:29 |
schestowitz | I understand. I will try not to bring those up anymore. | Dec 30 04:29 |
DaemonFC[m] | RMS has made sure that Free Software will be forgotten by mismanaging and running the FSF into the ground. | Dec 30 04:49 |
MinceR | is it entirely his fault? | Dec 30 04:50 |
DaemonFC[m] | Open source managed to supplant it because the FSF was using money for campaigns against Windows Vista that didn't work and giving Miguel de Icaza and Matthew Garrett positions and awards. | Dec 30 04:50 |
MinceR | "open source" was also deliberately targeted at suits | Dec 30 04:52 |
schestowitz | true | Dec 30 05:02 |
schestowitz | fsf also gives award to dubious people | Dec 30 05:02 |
schestowitz | same this year | Dec 30 05:02 |
schestowitz | people whose record is unknown, questionable etc. | Dec 30 05:02 |
schestowitz | and later they end up attacking the award giver | Dec 30 05:02 |
schestowitz | as de raadt did as well | Dec 30 05:03 |
schestowitz | parabola is not exploring a fork of openbsd instead of linux | Dec 30 05:03 |
oiaohm | There is a old saying "be-careful what you wish for you just might get it" | Dec 30 05:05 |
oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Free_Software_Definition#The_definition_and_the_Four_Freedoms Really the four freedoms anything in here exactly forbids digital rights management lockdown. | Dec 30 05:07 |
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schestowitz | https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1148758-a-last-call-to-show-your-support-in-2019#post1148758 | Dec 30 08:20 |
schestowitz | " | Dec 30 08:20 |
schestowitz | I disabled ad blocking for this specific site. No other sites gets this special treatment. | Dec 30 08:20 |
schestowitz | Premium? Depends on forum moderation. So much bad language. | Dec 30 08:20 |
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schestowitz | " | Dec 30 08:20 |
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schestowitz | kaniini: pleroma.site does not display images | Dec 30 15:26 |
schestowitz | and it's not possible to upload any either | Dec 30 15:26 |
schestowitz | just thought I'd let you know in case you're not aware already... or maybe there's an issue at my end/accoun t | Dec 30 15:26 |
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MinceR | https://i.redd.it/n09478z5an741.jpg | Dec 30 15:59 |
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schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/phoronix.jpg | Dec 30 16:21 |
MinceR | lovely | Dec 30 16:27 |
*schestowitz does an article about this.. | Dec 30 16:28 | |
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schestowitz | MinceR: DaemonFC[m] oiaohm ^^ | Dec 30 16:44 |
schestowitz | it's about phoronix spying | Dec 30 16:45 |
schestowitz | I want to convey this politely | Dec 30 16:45 |
schestowitz | so this malware is gradually removed | Dec 30 16:45 |
schestowitz | I think he added it about a year ago and weeks ago it became impossible to see graphs without JS enabled | Dec 30 16:45 |
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MinceR | :> | Dec 30 17:00 |
MinceR | it's not likely to be removed | Dec 30 17:00 |
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schestowitz | I know | Dec 30 17:05 |
schestowitz | but... that in itself says something about who's really in charge of the site | Dec 30 17:05 |
schestowitz | IIRC, IDG used to be a partner | Dec 30 17:05 |
schestowitz | that was ages afo | Dec 30 17:05 |
MinceR | indeed | Dec 30 17:05 |
schestowitz | now... I'm not sure how the spy is connected to the site.. must be some company "in between" | Dec 30 17:05 |
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MinceR | https://full.pr0gramm.com/2019/10/29/3d85cbca0523dc6c.jpg | Dec 30 17:12 |
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MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19083153 | Dec 30 17:20 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Dec 30 17:20 | |
DaemonFC[m] | I took a middle of the road approach to Javascript in Tor Browser. | Dec 30 17:20 |
DaemonFC[m] | It's on for HTTPS sites and off for everything else. | Dec 30 17:21 |
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kaniini | schestowitz: fixed | Dec 30 17:30 |
schestowitz | :D | Dec 30 17:34 |
DaemonFC[m] | Javascript on at all bothers me. Tor says on the middle security setting it disables some of the more dangerous features. | Dec 30 17:35 |
DaemonFC[m] | If nothing else, the tor project finds and fixes security problems in Firefox, so it benefits people even if they don't use Tor. | Dec 30 17:36 |
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Vintage Story, Tower of Time, Monolith: Relics of the Past, Two Point Hospital http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/132302 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2b33308a-b3d0-44d7-9ee9-0ce20f7dd9b8] | Dec 30 17:41 | |
MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19083140 | Dec 30 17:55 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Dec 30 17:55 | |
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MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/10/29/3fe48cd5c3231de7.jpg | Dec 30 18:54 |
schestowitz | MinceR: holycow | Dec 30 19:07 |
MinceR | Sacred Chao | Dec 30 19:07 |
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MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19083119 | Dec 30 20:14 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Dec 30 20:14 | |
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oiaohm | schestowitz: you can view the graphs on phoronix with Quantcast blocked. Key to seeing the graphs is that ajax.googleapis.com and openbenchmarking.org is enabled. I use umatrix. | Dec 30 20:51 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: bigger problem I had not noticed since I filter anything not on my white list straight out. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=legal Quantcast is not listed on the their public privacy policy. | Dec 30 20:55 |
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oiaohm | Really google has to get a ton load of information with all the sites that dont' function unless you have ajax.googleapis.com enabled. | Dec 30 20:57 |
oiaohm | Again another thing you don't see mentioned in privacy polices a lot. | Dec 30 20:57 |
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MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19083054 | Dec 30 21:17 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Dec 30 21:17 | |
XRevan86 | French gets tu out of ten? | Dec 30 21:19 |
MinceR | yeah | Dec 30 21:19 |
MinceR | actually french seemed less of a clusterfuck | Dec 30 21:20 |
XRevan86 | English gets an ate out of ten | Dec 30 21:21 |
MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/10/29/0f36ec34ea3cbb4f.jpg | Dec 30 21:37 |
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XRevan86 | "jfukhuugb;rm -rf /*;bhjjj" aw | Dec 30 21:39 |
MinceR | lol | Dec 30 21:39 |
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MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/12/13/a14793c16c2a616e.jpg | Dec 30 22:39 |
cubexyz | ok, I just tested the amiga 500. First boot up since Jan 2017. | Dec 30 22:56 |
cubexyz | all systems go for 2020 :) | Dec 30 22:56 |
MinceR | :) | Dec 30 22:57 |
MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/12/13/2727e56b847b1074.jpg | Dec 30 23:00 |
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MinceR | https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/12/15/c05d00624ced2896.mp4 | Dec 30 23:20 |
psydroid | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZRE7HIO3vk | Dec 30 23:30 |
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XRevan86 | psydroid: Is this about "dependency hell"? | Dec 30 23:41 |
psydroid | XRevan86, about software bloat, I just started watching it myself | Dec 30 23:43 |
XRevan86 | Oh, corporate software bloat hell | Dec 30 23:43 |
psydroid | I was told about it in another channel | Dec 30 23:44 |
XRevan86 | psydroid: He talks about it, but I can tell he's kinda part of the problem %) | Dec 30 23:45 |
XRevan86 | as he voluntarily uses bloaty software | Dec 30 23:45 |
psydroid | probably :) | Dec 30 23:45 |
XRevan86 | "Heartbleed" as an example got me off the rails | Dec 30 23:46 |
XRevan86 | as it's not an example of bloat at all | Dec 30 23:46 |
cubexyz | the web browser is the ultimate bloat | Dec 30 23:46 |
XRevan86 | The web browser bloat is pretty much cancer, it slowly consumes more and more | Dec 30 23:48 |
XRevan86 | The ultimate kitchen sink with no end in sight. | Dec 30 23:49 |
XRevan86 | Windows Update screwing people up is not an example of bloat either, to be honest. | Dec 30 23:49 |
XRevan86 | Because it's not a fault of Windows as software even | Dec 30 23:49 |
XRevan86 | as code quality that is | Dec 30 23:50 |
XRevan86 | It's Microsoft thinking that you ought to install updates, and nothing should stand in that's way. | Dec 30 23:51 |
XRevan86 | psydroid: So that it feels like a rant. | Dec 30 23:53 |
XRevan86 | * So far it | Dec 30 23:53 |
XRevan86 | "the word processor from 1990 and the word processor now…" – use LibreOffice Writer then, not graphics-heavy MS Word 2019 | Dec 30 23:57 |
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XRevan86 | Not that it's anywhere near something in 1990, but I don't think he would consider it heavy. | Dec 30 23:59 |
MinceR | or AbiWord | Dec 30 23:59 |
XRevan86 | But noo, he'd rather wait until Microsoft Office slaughters his GPU and then rant about it on the Internet. | Dec 30 23:59 |
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