●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 ●● ● May 31 [00:01] schestowitz_TR2 MinceR: when was IRC not reachable? [00:01] schestowitz_TR2 activelow seems to have lost it [00:05] XRevan86 "activelow seems to have lost it" <- ~Accurate.~ No, nothing :). [00:05] MinceR lol [00:05] MinceR schestowitz_TR2: 2022-05-28 0:41-0:54, 22:50-23:00, 2022-05-30 13:20-13:34 CEST [00:06] XRevan86 https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/05/30/we-now-have-our-own-mariupol "Civilians in Sieverodonetsk left trapped at the epicenter of the battle for the Donbas" [00:06] TR Bot NO TITLE [00:10] schestowitz_TR2 for some context, an hour ago he just suddenly decided to kick out everyone in the #techpol channel [00:10] XRevan86 Is he a moderator there? [00:10] schestowitz_TR2 I did not noticed until much later because I was reocrding a video at the time [00:11] schestowitz_TR2 XRevan86: yes, he created it to keep his politics out of this channel; [00:11] schestowitz_TR2 but the name techpol may wrongly imply we adopt such views [00:11] XRevan86 Yea [00:11] schestowitz_TR2 anyway, -social is the main non-tech channel [00:12] schestowitz_TR2 the fact he did kick out everything and added +q makes you wonder [00:12] schestowitz_TR2 * activelow has quit (You are no longer authorized to be on this server) [00:13] schestowitz_TR2 this was 8 minutes after mass-kicking [00:14] XRevan86 schestowitz: Did he rejoin with the same host and then mass-kicked? [00:14] schestowitz_TR2 no [00:15] schestowitz_TR2 can't quite see what triggered it [00:15] psydruid I got kicked, closed the conversation and removed the bookmark from my client [00:15] psydruid because who wants to deal with that crap [00:15] schestowitz_TR2 he did, on occasions, mention being incapable of containing some feelings, but not today [00:16] psydruid I have no patience or tolerance for that [00:16] XRevan86 He is crazy but I haven't noticed his being emotionally unstable. [00:16] *Sv has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [00:16] schestowitz_TR2 anyway, let's move on [00:17] psydruid he won't be back, will he? [00:17] XRevan86 They always come back. [00:17] schestowitz_TR2 does not matter [00:17] schestowitz_TR2 mass-kicking is impolite [00:17] psydruid is there any purpose to the #techpol channel? [00:18] bnchs did you ban activelow from the network? [00:18] schestowitz_TR2 no [00:18] schestowitz_TR2 nobody is banned [00:18] XRevan86 My ignorant suspicion is that maybe he deleted his account, and that triggered a room destruction as he was the owner. [00:19] psydruid I've never heard of an irc server working like that [00:19] XRevan86 And of course after account deletion one can't re-register with the same nickname. [00:21] psydruid Maybe he noticed people stopped caring about his rants [00:21] XRevan86 Or that they are *always* met with disagreement, at least in this channel. [00:22] psydruid I just stopped bothering to read them [00:22] XRevan86 (I regret nothing) [00:23] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:25] XRevan86 I see "channel purge" mentioned in the ergo's codebase. [00:27] psydruid I thought there were more founders and owners of that channel [00:27] XRevan86 The channel would be gone though. [00:28] XRevan86 It's still there, there was just that kick event. [00:28] schestowitz_TR2 channel topic is still there [00:28] XRevan86 Probably manually done then. [00:29] schestowitz [23:03] *** schestowitz_TR2 has been kicked from the channel by activelow (Cleared by ChanServ). [00:29] schestowitz chanserv [00:30] MinceR 31 012052 [techrights] -ChanServ(ChanServ@irc.techrights.org)- Channel #techpol is not registered [00:30] schestowitz 2 minutes earlier [00:30] schestowitz [23:01] *** irc.techrights.org gives channel owner privileges to activelow. [00:31] XRevan86 Right, he opped himself and then kicked everyone. Maybe it was a denazification and demilitarisation operation. [00:31] XRevan86 Ultimately only harmed himself. [00:31] MinceR lol [00:31] schestowitz * irc.techrights.org sets mode +q #techpol activelow [00:34] psydruid It might have been a nazification and militarisation operation [00:39] SomeH4x0r was the account deleted or what? [00:40] SomeH4x0r fuck ergo whatever it is [00:40] SomeH4x0r fuck IRCv3 [00:41] SomeH4x0r yes, seems to be "unregistered" [00:41] schestowitz_TR2 he set himself to founder [00:41] SomeH4x0r some exploit? [00:41] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [00:41] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [00:42] schestowitz_TR2 well, setting oneself to founder and self-deleting can lead to inconsistency [00:42] schestowitz_TR2 like locking the channel [00:42] SomeH4x0r was the account unregistered by another person? [00:43] schestowitz_TR2 AdmFubar: re rss and gemini [00:43] schestowitz_TR2 there is no single standard for this [00:43] MinceR 31 000126 [techrights] !irc.techrights.org -CHANNEL- Client [activelow!~activelow@t7vv94aadcjny.irc] CS OP'd [activelow] in channel [#techpol] [00:43] MinceR 31 001159 [techrights] !irc.techrights.org -QUIT- activelow exited the network [00:44] MinceR 31 001159 [techrights] !irc.techrights.org -ACCOUNT- Client [activelow!~activelow@t7vv94aadcjny.irc] unregistered account [activelow] [00:44] schestowitz_TR2 but several do exist for syndication [00:44] MinceR looks like the ircd terminated the connection when the account was dropped [00:44] SomeH4x0r so rage quit? [00:44] MinceR looks like it [00:44] SomeH4x0r anyway, fuck ergo. Unregistering shouldn't equal a ban. [00:45] XRevan86 Did it equal a ban? [00:45] SomeH4x0r I mean, there is nickname deletion and there is nickname suspension [00:45] XRevan86 The nickname is reserved, yes. [00:45] SomeH4x0r so it in fact suspends the nickname and kicks the user with a message which seems to in fact equal "you are banned" [00:45] XRevan86 It's an ergo though, it has different ones. [00:46] SomeH4x0r no longer authorised, forbidden, disallowed, whatever [00:46] XRevan86 * an ergo mode [00:46] XRevan86 https://github.com/ergochat/ergo/blob/master/docs/MANUAL.md#accountnick-modes [00:46] TR Bot at master ergochat/ergo GitHub [00:46] XRevan86 accounts.nick-reservation.enabled can be set to false. [00:47] TR News [GIT PULL] MMC updates for v5.19 - Ulf Hansson https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220523121836.27442-1-ulf.hansson@linaro.org/ Source: linaro [00:47] TR Bot [GIT PULL] MMC updates for v5.19 - Ulf Hansson [00:47] XRevan86 And the nicknames can be removed from the database relation. [00:48] SomeH4x0r I hate IRCv3 and these new inventions [00:48] SomeH4x0r imho IRCv3 is for converting IRC into Discordv2 [00:48] XRevan86 Of course this has nothing to do with IRCv3. [00:49] TR News Evince, Flatpak, and GTK print previews Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165432 [00:49] TR Bot Evince, Flatpak, and GTK print previews | Tux Machines [00:49] SomeH4x0r "modern IRC" it is [00:49] SomeH4x0r IRCv3, ergo, IRCCloud, all these evildoers [00:49] MinceR RELAYMSG is nice though [00:50] XRevan86 ergo's NickServ gives the freedom to configure this to one's desire. [00:50] TR News Firefox 101 Released with Only Minor Changes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165433 [00:50] TR Bot Firefox 101 Released with Only Minor Changes | Tux Machines [00:50] SomeH4x0r services are separate stuff and fuck the attempts to merge them with ircd. Bouncer does not even belong here. [00:51] XRevan86 And my impression is that NickServ's vary greatly with or without ergo. [00:51] MinceR HISTORY also has a potential for niceness [00:51] SomeH4x0r or just leave IRC as is [00:51] SomeH4x0r it works, don't make it not [00:52] XRevan86 ergo was deployed in a day, it works, weirdly enough. [00:52] MinceR there were already many ways IRC "was" before IRCv3 and ergo-ircd [00:56] XRevan86 "imho IRCv3 is for converting IRC into Discordv2" <- So when is this server going to kick me and demand a phone number, or else? [00:56] MinceR lol [00:56] SomeH4x0r Libera.Chat maybe at some point [00:57] XRevan86 Any moment now. [00:57] TR News The British Government's COVID-19 Policy Needlessly Kills Thousands Per Month https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/05/30/the-british-governments-covid-19-policy-needlessly-kills-thousands-per-month/ [00:57] TR Bot Blog Archive The British Governments COVID-19 Policy Needlessly Kills Thousands Per Month [00:58] psydruid Discord is already dysfunctional as it is [00:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.75 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 [00:59] psydruid I don't think IRC has reached its levels of insanity yet ● May 31 [01:00] *nobo has quit (Quit: zzz) [01:00] psydruid And free software projects that use it as a communication mechanism show what they really care about [01:01] psydruid You can only be in 100 servers without paying up and even then you're using someone's else's services [01:10] *dcleonarski has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [01:28] XRevan86 https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/30/7349554/ [01:28] TR Bot Luhansk Military Administration: Russian troops advance in Sievierodonetsk, fighting continues | Ukrayinska Pravda [01:28] XRevan86 https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/30/7349555/ [01:28] TR Bot Zelenskyy: The occupiers are looking for a way to sell the stolen half a million tons of grain | Ukrayinska Pravda [01:29] MinceR are the Ukrainian forces flanking the orcs attacking Sievierodonetsk from the west yet? [01:30] XRevan86 Heard no such reports. [01:31] MinceR here's hoping [01:34] XRevan86 I don't think they can. [01:34] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:36] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@sf2k3tzt9a34c.irc) has joined #techrights [01:39] XRevan86 https://nitter.net/WarMonitor3/status/1530994692912996352 an approximate (and outdated) map of how they're positioned there. [01:39] TR Bot WarMonitor (@WarMonitor3): "Severodonetsk Map: Russians have captured some areas of the north east of the city notably the "Mir Hotel" and the bus station. Russians have also captured part of the eastern outskirts of the city. The fate of Met'olkine is unknown." | nitter [01:40] XRevan86 MinceR: The Russian army is no longer zerg-rushing, they're instead very cautious now, so the early in the invasion stories of flanking and success don't apply anymore. [01:41] MinceR well, they wanted to surround Sievierodonetsk, and i was thinking that their western forces could be surrounded then [01:41] XRevan86 MinceR: They never did. [01:42] MinceR then their exposed end could be surrounded even better [01:42] XRevan86 They did want to, that's true. [01:42] XRevan86 MinceR: Yea, but that's not really surrounding, it's a frontline. [01:42] MinceR :> [01:45] XRevan86 No activelow to tell us it's all about the EU somehow [01:45] MinceR :> [01:45] MinceR we can emulate him [01:46] XRevan86 Better not. [01:46] MinceR indeed [01:46] XRevan86 MinceR: I repost Russian Media Monitor here, that should be more than enough :) [01:49] psydruid we can bring activelow back as a bot [01:49] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:50] XRevan86 It's Russian propaganda at its most blunt. So when ye see the same stuff in a more nuanced packaging, ye can still recognise it. [01:51] psydruid you said you posted these links to educate certain people here [01:51] XRevan86 psydruid: I don't know, he has depth to him. I don't think we've even scratched the surface of his views and opinions. [01:51] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@4vsbh5tpbj2ag.irc) has joined #techrights [01:51] psydruid maybe that also contributed to his departure [01:52] psydruid XRevan86, I spoke to him in German once, because he said he couldn't express his views properly in English [01:53] *Skywave has quit (Quit) [01:53] *Skywave (~SkywaveC3@96edgz5vmr7za.irc) has joined #techrights [01:54] XRevan86 psydruid: I think my treatment of him is a contributing factor, I openly and sharply disagree with him on almost everything. [01:56] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:56] XRevan86 psydruid: Was it regular German or ancient true German of his grandma which was probably actually Dutch or something. [01:57] psydruid XRevan86, regular German, as I never figured out what this ancient true German of his was [01:57] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@maqentrum2ebn.irc) has joined #techrights [01:58] psydruid and yes, Dutch is a dialect of Low German that has turned into its own language [01:58] psydruid I'll get to that Old Low German textbook some day [01:58] XRevan86 I remember noting that his ancestors came from the Low-German dialectical area. [01:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 38.03 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.90 average k/sec., average swarm size 360.78 [01:59] psydruid He's from Leipzig, he said ● May 31 [02:00] XRevan86 I did remember Saxony right. The city I forgot. [02:01] XRevan86 Linguistics as his hobby is by far the most amusing aspect. [02:01] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:02] psydruid You would have to put a lot of effort into coming up with your own pseudo linguistics to justify your convictions [02:03] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@n27eh6wxubdwn.irc) has joined #techrights [02:03] XRevan86 Not necessarily, but he certainly did. [02:05] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:05] psydruid It was definitely amusing and showed how strong his imagination was [02:06] XRevan86 And ability to ignore evidence, even easily provable one. [02:08] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@n27eh6wxubdwn.irc) has joined #techrights [02:11] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:13] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@7hpuxwr5tewrw.irc) has joined #techrights [02:16] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:18] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@wsiqic47hk5gc.irc) has joined #techrights [02:21] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:23] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@tth4xr4rfyi6q.irc) has joined #techrights [02:26] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:28] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@4ib67bpjevnsu.irc) has joined #techrights [02:31] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:32] XRevan86 psydruid: Overall his worldview is very clearly egocentric. [02:33] DaemonFC Okay, taking a break from mounting the TV on a stand. [02:33] psydruid XRevan86, that much was clear indeed [02:33] DaemonFC Now when the Wave Radio gets here, I can hook the TV up to that via an RCA to 3.5 mm Y cable. [02:33] XRevan86 It's even visible from that it was somehow Linux's fault that the e2comp patchset is no longer applying. [02:33] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@5w59pse2jw4pa.irc) has joined #techrights [02:33] DaemonFC And it will be spacious. [02:34] DaemonFC schestowitz_TR2, Figured out why my air conditioner was freezing up. [02:34] XRevan86 Linux was supposed to stay froze so that *he* could have ext2 with compression per that patchset. [02:34] DaemonFC The landlord let the bush behind it grow so large that the heat it was putting out was getting trapped. [02:34] DaemonFC So I went out there and trimmed the bush down to where my air conditioner can vent properly. [02:35] psydruid His rants became less and less credible over time [02:35] XRevan86 And Linux is supposed to stay on C99 because *he* wants to compile it with a dead compiler. [02:36] psydruid And now he is going to be stuck with something that is unmaintainable and insecurable [02:36] XRevan86 Screw Linux's needs. He wants C99. 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HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-300522.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-300522.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-300522.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-300522.txt [02:42] TR Bot IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, May 30, 2022 [02:43] TR News Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-300522.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-300522.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-300522.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-300522.txt [02:43] TR Bot IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, May 30, 2022 [02:43] XRevan86 Maybe it's just Delusion, and I shouldn't go any deeper into the medical specifics. [02:43] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@924y6d3g84s62.irc) has joined #techrights [02:44] psydruid That's what I wanted to call it, Delusions of Grandeur [02:45] psydruid Visions of Atlantis [02:46] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [02:49] XRevan86 Pity that we don't know about how he sees things in a more grounded realm, i.e. not fairly abstract things like computing, deities, languages. [02:49] XRevan86 Regular life things. [02:51] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@kpdwurn3ajvak.irc) has joined #techrights [02:56] XRevan86 Maybe he injects made-up words into his speech, or wears attributes of his one man church. 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Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-05-30.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-05-31.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [06:33] *Skywave has quit (connection closed) [06:39] *immibis_ (~hexchat@acad4bt9wne9w.irc) has joined #techrights [06:39] *immibis (~hexchat@62.156.144.218) has joined #techrights [06:40] *immibis has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:42] *immibis_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [06:52] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [06:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 30.90 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.98 average k/sec., average swarm size 388.56 ● May 31 [07:14] TR News #Techrights Bulletin for Monday, May 30, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [07:14] TR Bot Bulletin Archives [07:14] TR News #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [07:14] TR Bot Techrights Full IPFS Index [07:20] TR News "When I backed the project, I also bought an extra NIC as I needed 3 connections if I was going to have a backup WAN link" https://www.martinrowan.co.uk/2022/05/installing-pfsense-2-6-on-zimaboard/ | [07:20] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://www.martinrowan.co.uk/2022/05/installing-pfsense-2-6-on-zimaboard/ ) [07:21] TR News "To read tab-separated values files with Python, well take advantage of the fact that theyre similar to CSVs." https://evanhahn.com/how-to-read-tsv-files-in-python/ | [07:21] TR Bot How to read tab-separated values (TSV) files in Python [07:21] TR News "I recently wanted to prepare a Jupyter notebook with some example code and ran into an interesting problem: trying to display a Matplotlib chart made the IPython kernel crash." https://blog.dend.ro/a-mysterous-python-crash/ | [07:21] TR Bot Debugging a mysterious Python crash [07:23] TR News Hardware ego ganes https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/30/business/us-supercomputer-frontier.html | Source: New York Times [07:23] TR Bot U.S. Retakes Top Spot in Supercomputer Race - The New York Times [07:23] TR News "The California Senate Appropriations committee failed to pass Sen. 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Were still at a stage where I can list all public deployments of differential privacy in a single blog post" https://desfontain.es/privacy/bottom-up-differential-privacy.html | [07:27] TR Bot A bottom-up approach to making differential privacy ubiquitous - Ted is writing things [07:27] TR News "In our papers and conferences, we talk a lot about enforcement; about the powers of data protection authorities; about the impact of data transfers on current business models" https://edps.europa.eu/data-protection/our-work/publications/speeches-articles/privacy-resilient-state-human-condition_en | Source: EDPS [07:27] TR Bot Privacy in the resilient state of human condition - Wojciech Wiewirowski | European Data Protection Supervisor [07:30] TR News "But, according to the new report, these efforts have missed perhaps the most important source of corporate emissions" https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/could-googles-carbon-emissions-have-effectively-doubled-overnight | Source: New Yorker [07:30] TR Bot Could Googles Carbon Emissions Have Effectively Doubled Overnight? | The New Yorker [07:31] TR News "The trophy -- a large crystal microphone with the song contest's logo -- nets $900,000 (836,000 euros) after a bidding war won by Ukrainian bitcoin company WhiteBIT" https://today.rtl.lu/news/world/a/1920641.html | Source: RTL [07:31] TR Bot RTL Today - Quick summary: War in Ukraine: Latest developments [07:32] TR News "The crystal microphone trophy was auctioned off on Facebook" https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/eurovision-song-contest-ukraine-trophy-sale-drones-1235156187/ | Source: Hollywood Reporter [07:32] TR Bot Eurovision Song Contest: Ukraine Winners Sell Trophy for Drones The Hollywood Reporter [07:33] TR News "For the open-source software community in China, which celebrates transparency and global collaboration, the move has come as a shock." https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/05/30/1052879/censoring-china-open-source-backfire/ | Source: MIT Technology Review [07:33] TR Bot How censoring Chinas open-source coders might backfire | MIT Technology Review [07:34] TR News [Old] "This techno track features a spoken-word contribution from whistleblower Edward Snowden, whose revelations about surveillance carried out by the US National Security Agency were published in the Guardian." https://www.songfacts.com/facts/jean-michel-jarre/exit | [07:34] TR Bot by Jean-Michel Jarre - Songfacts [07:34] TR News "Because the United States lacks meaningful federal privacy protections, states have passed a patchwork of laws that are largely favorable to corporations." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/30/opinion/illinois-biometric-data-privacy.html | Source: New York Times [07:34] TR Bot Opinion | How Illinois Is Winning in the Fight Against Big Tech - The New York Times [07:35] TR News "Tencent operates the WeChat messaging app, a videogame business, a streaming-entertainment platform, and has been one of several Chinese firms moving into Hollywood." https://thepostmillennial.com/top-gun-sequel-shows-that-hollywood-is-finally-tiring-of-chinas-censorship | [07:35] TR Bot Top Gun sequel shows that Hollywood is finally tiring of China's censorship | The Post Millennial [07:36] TR News "The bill adds a new crime titled "distributing deceptive information publicly" to the criminal code with prison sentences." https://bianet.org/english/media/262504-journalism-organizations-call-for-withdrawal-of-press-law-amendment | Source: BIA Net [07:36] TR Bot Journalism organizations call for withdrawal of Press Law amendment - english [07:36] TR News Starbucks https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/workers-vote-unionized-starbucks-alabama-85051179 | Source: ABC [07:36] TR Bot Workers vote to become first unionized Starbucks in Alabama - ABC News [07:37] TR News Windows TCO https://www.economist.com/business/2022/05/30/corporate-espionage-is-entering-a-new-era | Source: The Economist [07:37] TR Bot espionage is entering a new era | The Economist [07:38] TR News "Red Hat announced the General Availability of RHEL 9 on 17th May 2022. This is the latest release of RHEL (Red Hat Enterprise Linux), and it comes with numerous features and enhancements." https://www.linuxtechi.com/how-to-upgrade-from-rhel-8-to-rhel-9/ | Source: LinuxTechi [07:38] TR Bot How to Upgrade From RHEL 8 to RHEL 9 (Step by Step) [07:42] TR News "A true story on taking over a clients Azure tenant via a successful phish." https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/your-cloud-my-cloud-now/ [07:42] TR Bot Your cloud? My cloud now | Pen Test Partners [07:44] TR News "SCS Software have put out a statement about the Heart of Russia upcoming DLC for Euro Truck Simulator 2 and they've decided not to release it." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/scs-put-the-heart-of-russia-dlc-for-euro-truck-simulator-2-on-hold-for-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [07:44] TR Bot put the Heart of Russia DLC for Euro Truck Simulator 2 on hold for now | GamingOnLinux [07:44] TR News "Super Hexagon, a true indie gem classic from Terry Cavanagh has a big update out now and it has also become Steam Deck Verified with it." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/indie-classic-super-hexagon-gets-a-big-free-neo-update-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [07:44] TR Bot classic Super Hexagon gets a big free Neo update out now | GamingOnLinux [07:44] TR News "With the Steam Deck you can install various third-party games and applications in desktop mode" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/the-quicklaunch-plugin-for-the-steam-deck-is-a-great-time-saver/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [07:44] TR Bot QuickLaunch plugin for the Steam Deck is a great time-saver | GamingOnLinux [07:44] TR News "Rust, the massively popular and quite brutal survival game from Facepunch Studios is working towards Easy Anti-Cheat support for Linux and Steam Deck with Proton." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/survival-game-rust-might-be-playable-properly-on-linux-and-steam-deck-soon/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [07:44] TR Bot game Rust might be playable properly on Linux and Steam Deck soon | GamingOnLinux [07:46] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165434 [07:46] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [07:46] TR News "One for the fans of dating sims and visual novels, as Arcade Spirits: The New Challengers the follow-up to 2019's Arcade Spirits that was pretty good is out now." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/visual-novel-dating-sim-arcade-spirits-the-new-challengers-is-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [07:46] TR Bot novel dating sim Arcade Spirits: The New Challengers is out now | GamingOnLinux [07:46] TR News "Heroic Games Launcher for Epic Games and GOG on Linux and Steam Deck has a new update out" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/heroic-games-launcher-gets-more-steam-deck-and-flatpak-improvements/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [07:46] TR Bot Games Launcher gets more Steam Deck and Flatpak improvements | GamingOnLinux [07:47] TR News "Up for trying out a new rogue-lite that looks completely bizarre? Wally and the FANTASTIC PREDATORS looks pretty hilarious and now it has Native Linux support" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/crazy-rogue-lite-wally-and-the-fantastic-predators-adds-linux-support/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [07:47] TR Bot rogue-lite 'Wally and the FANTASTIC PREDATORS' adds Linux support | GamingOnLinux [07:47] TR News "Love the style of this one, Toy Tanks is a physics-based tank battler with a campaign mode and player versus player combat" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/05/cute-physics-based-tank-battler-toy-tanks-adds-linux-support/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [07:47] TR Bot physics-based tank battler 'Toy Tanks' adds Linux support | GamingOnLinux [07:48] TR News "You can use the chown command in Linux to change the ownership of the file(s) and directories. It's quite simple to use" https://linuxhandbook.com/chown-recursively/ | Source: Linux Handbook [07:48] TR Bot Change Ownership of Files and Folders Recursively in Linux [07:48] TR News "This tutorial explains what Ansible facts are, and how to gather system information i.e facts in Ansible playbooks" https://ostechnix.com/ansible-facts/ | [07:48] TR Bot Ansible Facts With Examples - OSTechNix [07:50] TR News "VueJS is a popular JavaScript framework for building interactive web application user interfaces." https://www.linuxcloudvps.com/blog/how-to-install-vue-cli-on-ubuntu-20-04/ [07:50] TR Bot to Install Vue CLI on Ubuntu 20.04 | LinuxCloudVPS Blog [07:50] TR News "Forlinx recently released the OKMX6ULL-C which is a Single Board Computer (SBC) that is compatible with their NXP based FETMX6ULL-C System on Module (SoM)." https://linuxgizmos.com/forlinx-okmx6ull-c-sbc-powered-by-i-mx-6ull-processor-from-nxp/ | Source: Linux Gizmos [07:50] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/forlinx-okmx6ull-c-sbc-powered-by-i-mx-6ull-processor-from-nxp/ ) [07:51] TR News "There are multiple explanations for choosing Linux over other software applications" https://www.unixmen.com/9-reasons-to-use-linux-on-firestick/ | Source: Unix Men [07:51] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.unixmen.com/9-reasons-to-use-linux-on-firestick/ ) [07:52] TR News "In this tutorial, we are going to explain the differences between relational database management systems such as MySQL, SQLite, and PostgreSQL." https://www.rosehosting.com/blog/mysql-vs-sqlite-vs-postgresql/ | [07:52] TR Bot vs SQLite vs PostgreSQL: Comparing the Relational Database Management Systems - RoseHosting [07:52] TR News "MIC-770 V2 Secure Intelligent Systems for AIoT Applications with Ubuntu 20.04" https://ubuntu.com//blog/advantech-mic-770-v2-certified-on-ubuntu-20-04-lts-to-ensure-reliable-aiot-applications | Source: Ubuntu [07:52] TR Bot MIC-770 V2 Certified on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS to Ensure Reliable AIoT Applications | Ubuntu [07:53] TR News "consumer surveillance technology" https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/may-30-2022-pbs-newshour-full-episode iophk: commercial satellites and OSINT @ 14:40, not OSS [07:53] TR Bot May 30, 2022 PBS NewsHour full episode | PBS NewsHour [07:54] TR News Tails release https://tails.boum.org/contribute/calendar/ [07:54] TR Bot Tails - Calendar [07:54] TR News precursor https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/precursor [07:54] TR Bot Precursor | Crowd Supply [07:55] TR News Microsoft = organised crime, dependent on bailouts from US taxpayers https://www.computerworld.com/article/3662308/microsoft-pumps-the-brakes-on-hiring.html [07:55] TR Bot pumps the brakes on hiring | Computerworld [07:55] TR News Richard Scarrys 21st Century Classroom | Boing Boing https://boingboing.net/2022/05/30/richard-scarrys-21st-century-classroom.html Source: boingboing [07:55] TR Bot Richard Scarry's 21st Century Classroom | Boing Boing [07:58] TR News Games: Euro Truck Simulator, Super Hexagon, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165436 [07:58] TR Bot Games: Euro Truck Simulator, Super Hexagon, and More | Tux Machines [07:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.08 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.20 average k/sec., average swarm size 94.65 [07:59] TR News Starbucks https://truthout.org/articles/starbucks-workers-have-now-unionized-100-stores/ | Source: TruthOut [07:59] TR Bot Starbucks Workers Have Now Unionized 100 Stores ● May 31 [08:10] TR News "it's lefebvre's reflection on what he sees as a failure of revolutionary potential in the twentieth century, so it's a bit less hopeful and energized than the previous volumes, but it's not a totally pessimistic diagnosis either." gemini://aidn.flounder.online/gemlog/2022-05-30.gmi [08:22] TR News Press Freedom https://thedissenter.org/major-political-parties-in-uk-back-legislation-that-would-restrict-press-freedom/ | Source: The Dissenter [08:22] TR Bot UK Parties Endorse Bill That Would Restrict Press Freedom [08:24] TR News FakeTag https://hackaday.com/2022/05/30/check-your-mailbox-using-the-airtag-infrastructure/ | Source: Hackaday [08:24] TR Bot Your Mailbox Using The AirTag Infrastructure | Hackaday [08:29] TR News Gulagtube "Breeding Ground for Internet Conspiracy" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/05/30/youtube-breeding-ground-internet-conspiracy-theories-and-extremism | Source: Common Dreams [08:29] TR Bot Opinion | YouTube Is a Breeding Ground for Internet Conspiracy Theories and Extremism | Olivia Riggio [08:42] TR News Microsoft Security Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165437 [08:42] TR Bot Microsoft 'Security' | Tux Machines [08:42] TR News Ubuntu leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165438 [08:42] TR Bot Ubuntu leftovers | Tux Machines [08:42] TR News Development, Devices, and Programming Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165439 [08:42] TR Bot Development, Devices, and Programming | Tux Machines [08:44] TR News Links 31/05/2022: NixOS 22.05 and Firefox 101 Released | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/31/firefox-101-released/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/31/firefox-101-released/ [08:44] TR Bot Links 31/05/2022: NixOS 22.05 and Firefox 101 Released | Techrights [08:45] TR News YouTube is a filter, not a free hosting platform. Do not outsource to it. They can filter you out any time, in one of many ways... [08:47] TR News Piracy is not file sharing https://torrentfreak.com/app-stores-should-screen-developers-and-apps-to-prevent-piracy-220530/ | Source: Torrent Freak [08:47] TR Bot Stores Should Screen Developers and Apps to Prevent Piracy' * TorrentFreak [08:47] TR News "Ten years ago Google launched its DMCA takedown transparency report." https://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-company-targets-sites-that-shut-down-a-decade-ago-220530/ | Source: Torrent Freak [08:47] TR Bot Company Targets Sites That Shut Down a Decade Ago * TorrentFreak [08:47] *Skywave (~SkywaveC3@5c84rj45gkqvi.irc) has joined #techrights [08:51] TR News "Were definitely pretty fond of the DIY MP3 players here at Hackaday, but we dont think weve seen one like CartridgeMP3 from [jpet26] before." https://hackaday.com/2022/05/30/an-mp3-player-that-gives-off-nintendo-vibez/ | Source: Hackaday [08:51] TR Bot MP3 Player That Gives Off Nintendo Vibez | Hackaday [08:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.08 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.20 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● May 31 [09:30] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-05-30.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-05-31.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [09:31] *kiki (~kiki@4vsbh5tpbj2ag.irc) has joined #techrights [09:59] *Skywave has quit (connection closed) ● May 31 [10:00] *Skywave (~SkywaveC3@n27eh6wxubdwn.irc) has joined #techrights [10:02] TR News How dynamic linking for modular libraries works on Linux | https://opensource.com/article/22/5/dynamic-linking-modular-libraries-linux Source: FreeSW | RedHat | ICBM | GNU | Linux [10:02] TR Bot dynamic linking for modular libraries works on Linux | Opensource.com [10:07] TR News IRC Proceedings: Monday, May 30, 2022 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/31/irc-log-300522/ Source: Techrights | GNU | Linux | FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/31/irc-log-300522/ [10:08] TR Bot IRC Proceedings: Monday, May 30, 2022 | Techrights [10:41] TR News Snow Leopard a Day gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D247.jpg [10:42] *techrights-news has quit (Received malformed line) [10:45] *techrights-news (~techrights-news@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #techrights [10:45] TR News tricolor mountain gemini://nytpu.com/photos/20220530_FrostedTips_small.png [10:46] schestowitz " [10:46] schestowitz I've started working a new job and am absolutely exhausted because of it. I'm often too tired even to read! But things should lighten up in a week or two. One welcome side effect of working so much is sleeping more heavily." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/989 [10:47] *techrights-news has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:47] *techrights-news (~techrights-news@hcdms2vr9hu9e.irc) has joined #techrights [10:47] TR News "I am positively surprised once again by Internet Archive. Free version, ready to rent." gemini://szczezuja.space/tinylog.gmi [10:58] TR News Inconveniencing Myself and Reducing Consumption gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~lettuce/consumption.gmi [10:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.08 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.20 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● May 31 [11:01] TR News 5 different ways to count the number of lines from a file Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165440 [11:01] TR Bot 5 different ways to count the number of lines from a file | Tux Machines [11:03] *techrights_guest|20 (~5082d3f4@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [11:04] schestowitz_TR2 hello, techrights_guest|20 [11:05] TR News Brittany Day at linuxsecurity.com keeps helping Microsoft spread anti-Linux FUD [11:05] TR News If you hold the domain linuxsecurity.com and you are anti-Linux or cannot be bothered to fact-check, what are you? Microsoft stooge? [11:06] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165441 [11:06] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [11:08] TR News Red Hat cites the frauds from Gartner as if they're an authoritative source https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/5/it-leadership-3-ways-ease-pressure-development-teams see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group [11:08] TR Bot IT leadership: 3 ways to ease the pressure on development teams | The Enterprisers Project [11:08] TR Bot Gartner Group - Techrights [11:08] TR News Ooh, GNOME Shell on Mobile is Shaping Up Nicely Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165442 [11:08] TR Bot Ooh, GNOME Shell on Mobile is Shaping Up Nicely | Tux Machines [11:08] *bnchs (~bnchs@p8gizgaeuc79g.irc) has joined #techrights [11:09] TR News "Try it ... Buy it" sounds like proprietary software https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/05/31/integrate-spring-boot-application-red-hat-data-grid see https://www.redhat.com/en/technologies/jboss-middleware/data-grid [11:09] TR Bot Integrate a Spring Boot application with Red Hat Data Grid | Red Hat Developer [11:09] TR Bot Red Hat Data Grid [11:11] TR News "IT talent shortage" is a lie. ICBM just does not want to pay its workers a fair salary. It lays off many of them, too. https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/5/4-takeaways-mit-sloan-cio-symposium [11:11] TR Bot 4 takeaways for CIOs from the MIT Sloan CIO Symposium | The Enterprisers Project [11:11] TR News ICBM: "A technologist might feel like a kid in a candy store in todays cloud environments" https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/5/what-it-look-cloud-managed-services CLOOOOWN! [11:11] TR Bot What IT leaders should look for in cloud managed services | The Enterprisers Project [11:12] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@8nktzr4tv6njq.irc) has joined #techrights [11:12] TR News While ICBM promotes shallow nonsense Microsoft reportedly suspends hiring, in addition to the firing of workers..... then they tell us about "skill shortage"? [11:17] *techrights_guest|20 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [11:17] TR News Coronavirus Cases Are Being Undercounted. What Should You Do? - The Atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/05/coronavirus-cases-actual-hidden-surge/643123 Source: theatlantic. "The numbers do still have some use, even if theyre less illuminating than before." https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/05/30/the-british-governments-covid-19-policy-needlessly-kills-thousands-per-month/ [11:17] TR Bot ( status 308 @ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/05/coronavirus-cases-actual-hidden-surge/643123 ) [11:17] TR Bot Blog Archive The British Governments COVID-19 Policy Needlessly Kills Thousands Per Month [11:17] TR News ABOUT 30 months ago COVID-19 crossed over to Europe. It would soon devastate Italy in particular, then pass on (in a major way) to the UK, leaving us with 200,000 death certificates that say COVID-19 on them. And its not even over yet. https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/05/30/facts-about-covid19/ [11:17] TR Bot Blog Archive Inconvenient Facts About COVID-19 [11:20] *GNUmoon2 has quit (connection closed) [11:20] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [11:21] TR News Sketch the current time with this Magna Doodle clock | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/05/31/sketch-the-current-time-with-this-magna-doodle-clock/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking [11:21] TR Bot Sketch the current time with this Magna Doodle clock | Arduino Blog [11:44] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@txt39mzjsjjpa.irc) has joined #techrights [11:44] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [11:49] DaemonFC schestowitz, A bunch of people with Trump shit all over their Facebook wall were bewildered by the FDA recommending not to eat strawberries from two months ago. They said, "How would you keep them that long?". They freeze rather well. [11:49] DaemonFC Besides, if you've had your Hepatitis vaccines, you're just laughing and eating the strawberries anyway. [11:50] TR News This Site Turns 20 This Year https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/05/31/turning-20/ [11:50] TR Bot Blog Archive This Site Turns 20 This Year [11:51] schestowitz_TR2 DaemonFC: faceook is a fake country [11:53] DaemonFC Yeah. [11:54] DaemonFC I may go nap while that roast thaws out. I'm making pepper beef in the slow cooker. [11:55] schestowitz_TR2 my suggestion is, [11:55] schestowitz_TR2 avoid FB [11:55] schestowitz_TR2 there is nothing of value there [11:55] schestowitz_TR2 poor use of your time [11:55] schestowitz_TR2 and not good for the mind,e tiher [11:55] schestowitz_TR2 even taking a walk up and down the stairs is more pfodutive use of your time [11:55] DaemonFC Yeah, the funny thing was 1.2 million people in Illinois got those checks. [11:55] schestowitz_TR2 you might even improve your health, unlike with fb [11:55] DaemonFC And they're saying there may be another round of $60-70 per person. [11:56] DaemonFC Facebook just breaks the law and then pays later. [11:56] DaemonFC They got all that money from advertisers, and Facebook lies about ad engagement to prop up their ad prices, for now. [11:57] schestowitz_TR2 FB won't always profit [11:57] schestowitz_TR2 Microsoft is already a burden on taxpayers [11:57] schestowitz_TR2 more so than "immigrants" [11:57] schestowitz_TR2 see hololens ● May 31 [12:02] psydruid https://www.insider.com/the-world-world-wants-to-buy-turkish-bayraktar-drones-designer-says-2022-5 [12:02] TR Bot 'the Whole World' Wants to Buy Turkish Bayraktar Drones, Designer Says [12:17] DaemonFC I was considering buying a new vacuum cleaner on Amazon. [12:18] DaemonFC They don't make the filters for this one anymore and so I had to make one myself. [12:30] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-05-30.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-05-31.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [12:36] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [12:37] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [12:42] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:46] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@t7vv94aadcjny.irc) has joined #techrights [12:50] TR News 4K USB AI camera is powered by Rockchip RV1126 SoC with 2.0 TOPS NPU Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165443 [12:50] TR Bot 4K USB AI camera is powered by Rockchip RV1126 SoC with 2.0 TOPS NPU | Tux Machines [12:50] TR News Top Free and Open Source Scala Web Frameworks Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165444 [12:50] TR Bot Top Free and Open Source Scala Web Frameworks | Tux Machines [12:50] TR News Rocket.Chat is Switching to Matrix to Enable Cross-App Messaging Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165445 [12:50] TR Bot Rocket.Chat is Switching to Matrix to Enable Cross-App Messaging | Tux Machines [12:51] TR News ARIES Embedded unveils OSM modules based on Renesas Arm or RISC-V microprocessor Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165446 [12:51] TR Bot ARIES Embedded unveils OSM modules based on Renesas Arm or RISC-V microprocessor | Tux Machines [12:51] TR News Linux gaming demo on Dragon Canyon Intel NUC Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165447 [12:51] TR Bot Linux gaming demo on Dragon Canyon Intel NUC | Tux Machines [12:51] TR News Lichee RV-86 RISC-V Linux 4-inch panel targets home automation, HMI applications Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165448 [12:51] TR Bot Lichee RV-86 RISC-V Linux 4-inch panel targets home automation, HMI applications | Tux Machines [12:51] TR News Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165449 [12:51] TR Bot Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [12:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.08 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.20 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● May 31 [13:05] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [13:05] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [13:08] TR News "So many bots, and the ratio of bot vs human traffic is continuing to increase. The same report tells that 29% of all web traffic is just malicious bots, while 23% are benign" gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-05-04-it-s-bots-all-the-way-down-what-s-an-ad-worth-anyway.gmi [13:11] TR News "This site is not my first site because I also had a webspace in Geocities (since around 1996 or 1997), but it was the first proper personal site." https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/05/31/turning-20/ [13:11] TR Bot Blog Archive This Site Turns 20 This Year [13:41] XRevan86 https://theins.press/en/news/251735 [13:41] TR Bot Ukrainian court sentences Russian POWs to years in jail for shelling Kharkiv region [13:42] schestowitz_TR2 free food [13:42] schestowitz_TR2 better than putin's rationing [13:42] XRevan86 https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/05/30/if-president-putin-wants-less-nato-on-his-borders-he-will-get-more-nato-at-his-borders "If President Putin wants less NATO on his borders, he will get more NATO at his borders Interview with Secretary General of NATO Jens Stoltenberg" [13:42] TR Bot . [13:43] XRevan86 https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/05/31/eu-agree-on-6th-sanction-package-russia-to-lose-22-billion-annually-over-oil-embargo-sberbank-removed-from-swift-news "EU agree on 6th sanction package: Russia to lose $22 billion annually over oil embargo, SberBank removed from SWIFT" [13:43] TR Bot . [13:44] XRevan86 schestowitz: That's one way to look at it. [13:44] schestowitz_TR2 putin has cut his own arm [13:47] TR News The EPOs Euro-PCT Proves That This System Exists for Massive Corporations and Law Firms, Not Individual People Including Real Inventors | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/31/all-about-money/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/31/all-about-money/ [13:47] TR Bot The EPOs Euro-PCT Proves That This System Exists for Massive Corporations and Law Firms, Not Individual People Including Real Inventors | Techrights [13:58] DaemonFC So Wells Fargo limits the number of online payments you can make to your credit card each month. [13:59] DaemonFC If you want to make another payment, you have to call it in and tell the automated system your bank information. [13:59] *SomeH4x0r has quit (connection closed) ● May 31 [14:00] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@dzhffiiy2qznw.irc) has joined #techrights [14:02] TR News EPO President Antnio Campinos Addresses South America | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/31/antonio-campinos-south-america/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/31/antonio-campinos-south-america/ [14:02] TR Bot EPO President Antnio Campinos Addresses South America | Techrights [14:09] *bnchs has quit (connection closed) [14:11] XRevan86 https://nitter.net/JuliaDavisNews/status/1531448930613055490 [14:12] TR Bot Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Top propagandists on Russian state TV are hyping up a bill abolishing the age cap for people up to 50 years old to serve with the Russian armed forces. While many young Russians get killed in Ukraine, the host admits: "We don't have many young people, we have a demographic gap."" | nitter [14:12] XRevan86 https://nitter.net/JuliaDavisNews/status/1531483362828984324 [14:12] TR Bot Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "What sort of things do you daydream about? Russian State Duma deputy Oleg Morozov fantasizes about kidnapping foreign government officials when they're heading to Kyiv to meet up with Volodymyr Zelensky. Morozov thinks it's not far-fetched and might start happening very soon." | nitter [14:12] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [14:12] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [14:15] psydruid that will lead to WW3, I presume [14:30] schestowitz_TR2 now it's cool [14:30] schestowitz_TR2 tomorrow it's cold [14:31] schestowitz_TR2 oligarchs don't mind it [14:31] schestowitz_TR2 world wars and revolutions harm them all the same [14:31] schestowitz_TR2 either way they end up damaged [14:31] schestowitz_TR2 sso they can opt for war [14:31] schestowitz_TR2 and hope to end up on top at the end [14:31] schestowitz_TR2 after the bunker period [14:36] XRevan86 psydruid: Officialnapping? [14:36] schestowitz_TR2 us drones them [14:36] schestowitz_TR2 \outside their country [14:36] schestowitz_TR2 suillimani [14:37] psydruid XRevan86, I think so [14:37] schestowitz_TR2 if russia fired a missile at presidents.. [14:37] XRevan86 That would definitely be an escalation. [14:37] schestowitz_TR2 you would say [14:37] schestowitz_TR2 OK, russia is catching up with USA [14:44] TR News NVidia trying another way https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/16784 [14:44] TR Bot nv50/ir: initial Ampere support (!16784) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab [14:44] TR News Diversity and Inclusion at the European Patent Office (EPO) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/31/diversity-and-inclusion-epo/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/31/diversity-and-inclusion-epo/ [14:44] TR Bot Diversity and Inclusion at the European Patent Office (EPO) | Techrights [14:46] TR News nouveau: move codegen into a standalone library. (!16763) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/16763?commit_id=0ecccfc0389ebbd020bdd47d7b2aa7da8e6dcbeb Source: gitlab [14:46] TR Bot nouveau: move codegen into a standalone library. (!16763) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab [14:46] TR News Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165450 [14:46] TR Bot Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [14:47] TR News The cynics guide to desktop Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165451 [14:47] TR Bot The cynic's guide to desktop Linux | Tux Machines [14:50] TR News "The .netrc file is used to hold user names and passwords for specific host names and allows tools to login to those systems automatically without having to prompt the user for the credentia" https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/05/31/netrc-pains/ [14:50] TR Bot pains | daniel.haxx.se [14:50] TR News [GIT PULL] kernel hardening updates for v5.19-rc1 - Kees Cook https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/202205231146.E8C6085@keescook/ Source: keescook [14:50] TR Bot [GIT PULL] kernel hardening updates for v5.19-rc1 - Kees Cook [14:51] TR News ICBM Red Hat conflates Linux with systemd https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/manage-linux-network-services [14:51] TR Bot Linux network services: How to start, stop, and check their status | Enable Sysadmin [14:54] TR News The world of patents, as advertised by the EPO at least, isnt designed to protect or reward inventors; its for global, multinational corporations and the people who control them, including affluent shareholders http://techrights.org/2022/05/31/all-about-money/ [14:54] TR Bot The EPOs Euro-PCT Proves That This System Exists for Massive Corporations and Law Firms, Not Individual People Including Real Inventors | Techrights [14:54] TR News The clips below are unaltered footage of EPO President Antnio Campinos speaking last May (yes, this is how he says "focus", repeatedly too) http://techrights.org/2022/05/31/antonio-campinos-south-america/ [14:54] TR Bot EPO President Antnio Campinos Addresses South America | Techrights [14:54] TR News When old friends occupy key positions at the EPO (friends of Benot Battistelli and of Antnio Campinos), even when they lack knowledge and experience in the domain of patents, and when big business lobbyists call the shots its hardly shocking that what Campinos calls diversity is just a totally vacuous marketing buzzword http://techrights.org/2022/05/31/diversity-and-inclusion-epo/ [14:54] TR News Distrobox 1.3.0: Run (pretty much) any Linux distro under almost any other Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165452 [14:54] TR Bot Distrobox 1.3.0: Run (pretty much) any Linux distro under almost any other | Tux Machines [14:54] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165453 [14:54] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [14:58] *bnchs (~bnchs@p8gizgaeuc79g.irc) has joined #techrights [14:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.08 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.20 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● May 31 [15:05] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [15:05] *psymin (~psymin@user/psymin) has joined #techrights [15:07] TR News Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165454 [15:08] TR Bot Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [15:15] *techrights_guest|88 (~5dabdcb1@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [15:16] schestowitz_TR2 0/ [15:17] techrights_guest|88 https://yt.artemislena.eu [15:17] TR Bot reports incompatible or unsupported protocol version. ( status 0 @ https://yt.artemislena.eu ) [15:17] *techrights_guest|88 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [15:21] MinceR (cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/weekend-randomo-randomness-3-29-22-8.jpg [15:21] schestowitz_TR2 bnchs: ^ [15:21] schestowitz_TR2 another instance [15:22] schestowitz_TR2 maybe we should update our code as somem no longer exist? [15:22] schestowitz_TR2 but this one has ssl issues [15:22] schestowitz_TR2 \ [15:25] bnchs huh [15:25] DaemonFC I'm debating on just buying a new vacuum or keep pushing this thing until it finally does totally crap out on me. [15:25] DaemonFC Probably just keep rigging this one... [15:26] bnchs i'm gonna make a instance auto-updater real quick for the bot [15:26] DaemonFC The tubing has a hole in it from falling down a flight of stairs. I wound some duct tape around it several times. [15:26] DaemonFC Seems to work. [15:27] DaemonFC The company stopped making HEPA filters for it, so I crammed in some layers of cheap universal air conditioner filter that I got at Walmart. [15:28] XRevan86 schestowitz, bnchs: Just use https://redirect.invidious.io/ ? [15:28] TR Bot Select instance - Invidious [15:29] XRevan86 Like https://redirect.invidious.io/watch?v=qRC4Vk6kisY [15:29] TR Bot Select instance - Invidious [15:29] schestowitz_TR2 misses the point [15:29] XRevan86 Doesn't fetch the title? I see. [15:29] schestowitz_TR2 yeah [15:29] schestowitz_TR2 we want them all to have traffic [15:29] schestowitz_TR2 one single big instasnce is easier to kill [15:29] schestowitz_TR2 atm it is yewtu.be [15:30] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-05-30.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-05-31.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [15:30] schestowitz_TR2 used to be invidio.us [15:30] schestowitz_TR2 btw, it is not about 'piracy' [15:30] schestowitz_TR2 but privacy [15:30] schestowitz_TR2 getting [past the gulag malware [15:31] DaemonFC Filtrete makes cut to fit MERV 13 rated air conditioner filters. [15:31] TR News [Meme] The Reverse Barroso | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/31/reverse-barroso/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/31/reverse-barroso/ [15:31] TR Bot [Meme] The Reverse Barroso | Techrights [15:31] XRevan86 schestowitz: Big or small, doesn't really matter they're all interchangable. [15:32] XRevan86 But the URLs will die eventually, and that's why redirect.invidious.io as a link is a more long-term solution. [15:32] DaemonFC They're not quite HEPA but they do work. They'll filter out about 70% of 0.3 micron particles compared with HEPA at 99.7%, but they cost less and you can cut them to whatever size you need, and since manufacturers stop making filters to force you to get rid of a working vacuum, it may be all you can do. [15:33] XRevan86 Or really just link to YouTube and delegate the use of Invidious to the end-user, who will pick the instance of their choice, with the preferred settings. [15:33] XRevan86 Or even an external application which hooks to youtube.com / youtu.be [15:34] TR News A Month After the Massive Strike Across Europe the Union of EPO Workers Proceeds Against Salary Adjustment Procedure (Reduction), Based on Managers' Hoax [15:35] DaemonFC I like this fan purifier I built. [15:35] DaemonFC The MERV 13 furnace filters and box fans are so cheap that you can just build several of these and put one in every room if you want to. [15:35] TR News Updated today: Explorations in Tiny BASIC gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~lettuce/tinybasic.gmi [15:37] DaemonFC Someone on Youtube bought a particle meter and found out the stupid box fan with the furnace filters was doing better than a $1,000 air purifier listed on Amazon, and he made the thing for like $70. [15:37] TR News 2022-05-31 - Hafnium Paging Protocol (HFNP) and quasidomain system updates gemini://tilde.team/~aprilnightk/gemlog/2022/05/31-hafnium.gmi [15:38] DaemonFC I live right next to a coal power plant. [15:38] DaemonFC It leaves stuff on your car like you wouldn't believe. [15:39] DaemonFC So I run iFD, HEPA, and now MERV 13 filtration systems all over the house constantly, because you can almost put whatever you want in here and it still won't be enough. [15:40] schestowitz_TR2 XRevan86: redirect.invidious.io will also die [15:40] schestowitz_TR2 like tinyogg did [15:41] schestowitz_TR2 XRevan86: we could write our own redirector [15:41] schestowitz_TR2 and then link to that [15:41] schestowitz_TR2 but then there are two layers of potential failure [15:41] schestowitz_TR2 like link killers aka "shorteners [15:43] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [15:44] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:50] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@ws2bs482xtmk6.irc) has joined #techrights [15:52] XRevan86 https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/31/7349685/ What a story, Mark. [15:52] TR Bot Putin's Security Council says that Poland is ''moving to seize'' Ukraine | Ukrayinska Pravda [15:52] schestowitz_TR2 lol [15:53] XRevan86 That's one of the most influental persons in Russia. [15:54] schestowitz_TR2 I hope Putin reaches expiry inoct. [15:54] schestowitz_TR2 and gets detonated [15:54] schestowitz_TR2 iun october [15:54] schestowitz_TR2 age 70 [15:55] schestowitz_TR2 MinceR: did orban seize ukraine too? [15:55] schestowitz_TR2 he might have to go rescue ukraine [15:55] schestowitz_TR2 to protect it [15:55] schestowitz_TR2 putin that is [15:55] schestowitz_TR2 to protect ukraine from hungary [15:56] schestowitz_TR2 next invade germany [15:56] schestowitz_TR2 to protect it from biden [15:56] schestowitz_TR2 to 'denazify' it [15:56] schestowitz_TR2 activelow would welcome putin [15:56] schestowitz_TR2 with flower at his feet [15:57] schestowitz_TR2 removing the aanctions [15:57] schestowitz_TR2 removing biden [15:57] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:57] schestowitz_TR2 gassing germany with russian gas again [15:57] schestowitz_TR2 maga [15:58] MinceR schestowitz_TR2: not yet [15:58] schestowitz_TR2 soon [15:59] schestowitz_TR2 to counter orba's acts of disployalty and aggression [15:59] *bnchs (~bnchs@pc6p792wwfy9w.irc) has joined #techrights ● May 31 [16:00] schestowitz_TR2 similar operandi: beijing invades taipei [16:00] schestowitz_TR2 says it protects tw from biden [16:04] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/weekend-randomo-randomness-3-29-22-24.jpg [16:05] TR News [GIT PULL] nfsd changes for 5.19 - Chuck Lever III https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/DDB7B172-52E3-4015-9BD2-9BCDE209E5AC@oracle.com/ Source: oracle [16:05] TR Bot [GIT PULL] nfsd changes for 5.19 - Chuck Lever III [16:06] TR News Firefox 101 for developers https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Firefox/Releases/101 [16:06] TR Bot Firefox 101 for developers - Mozilla | MDN [16:06] schestowitz_TR2 us should invade canada [16:06] schestowitz_TR2 to proactively defend it from russia [16:06] schestowitz_TR2 putin: stop resisting, ukraine. just lie back and enjoy it. [16:07] TR News Gulag Inc. works for people who behead women. Yes, the government does this. https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/google-saudi-arabia-project-shareholders-dissent-raises-stakes [16:07] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/google-saudi-arabia-project-shareholders-dissent-raises-stakes ) [16:08] schestowitz_TR2 social justice right there ^^ [16:08] schestowitz_TR2 slap some rainbow flags on it [16:08] schestowitz_TR2 and clap [16:08] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:09] TR News of work queues with synchronize_rcu." https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/akpm/25-new.git/tree/patches/mm-lru_cache_disable-use-synchronize_rcu_expedited.patch Source: git [16:09] TR Bot mm-lru_cache_disable-use-synchronize_rcu_expedited.patch patches - kernel/git/akpm/25-new.git - akpm quilt patches [16:09] TR News "replace work queue synchronization with synchronize_rcu") replaced lru_cache_disable's usage of work queues with synchronize_rcu." https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/akpm/25-new.git/tree/patches/mm-lru_cache_disable-use-synchronize_rcu_expedited.patch Source: git [16:10] TR News Microsoft Windows TCO https://direct.mit.edu/isec/article/46/2/51/107693/The-Subversive-Trilemma-Why-Cyber-Operations-Fall [16:10] TR Bot The Subversive Trilemma: Why Cyber Operations Fall Short of Expectations | International Security | MIT Press [16:12] TR News GSoC 22 The First Blog Post http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165415#comment-33837 [16:12] TR Bot GSoC and Outreachy in Xfce and Debian | Tux Machines [16:15] TR News Linux gaming demo on Dragon Canyon Intel NUC Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165455 [16:15] TR Bot Linux gaming demo on Dragon Canyon Intel NUC | Tux Machines [16:15] SomeH4x0r I know one can host an IRCd on Intel NUC [16:15] SomeH4x0r (I know a person who does) [16:16] schestowitz_TR2 you can do on almost any machien [16:16] schestowitz_TR2 e [16:16] schestowitz_TR2 even a lot smaller [16:16] SomeH4x0r earlier he did host the same thing (though an older version because he didn't care to update) on Raspberry Pi [16:17] TR News Limits of Cyber Operations in Wartime https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/05/the-limits-of-cyber-operations-in-wartime.html see http://techrights.org/2022/02/27/infrastructure-consolidation-and-centralisation/ [16:17] TR Bot Limits of Cyber Operations in Wartime - Schneier on Security [16:17] TR Bot Its Too Late to Change All the Infrastructure When War Erupts or Escalates | Techrights [16:19] TR News Cant the government of Portugal see that Antnio Campinos as EPO President harms the image of Portugal? It was bad enough when the Barroso Commission of Jos Manuel Barroso got folded onto Goldman Sachs without challenge; Campinos comes from banks and turns the EPO into a bank which lies to its savers http://techrights.org/2022/05/31/reverse-barroso/ [16:19] TR Bot [Meme] The Reverse Barroso | Techrights [16:20] TR News PostgreSQL: temBoard 7.11 : performance and reliability https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/temboard-711-performance-and-reliability-2457/ Source: postgresql [16:20] TR Bot PostgreSQL: temBoard 7.11 : performance and reliability [16:21] TR News RHEL 9 syslog-ng news - Blog - syslog-ng Community - syslog-ng Community https://www.syslog-ng.com/community/b/blog/posts/rhel-9-syslog-ng-news Source: syslog-ng [16:21] TR Bot 9 syslog-ng news - Blog - syslog-ng Community - syslog-ng Community [16:25] TR News "The first image, showing the desktop, with superimposed text, is a problem, as there are three factors that affect how it looks, whether there is support for containers, top-level zram, and language." https://bkhome.org/news/202205/improving-images-for-welcome-page.html [16:25] TR Bot Improving images for Welcome page [16:25] TR News Red Hat and IBM Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165456 [16:25] TR Bot Red Hat and IBM Leftovers | Tux Machines [16:28] TR News One of the supposedly "prominent" anti-RMS signers isn't a coder but a person who is mostly known for some silly sandwich stickfigure cartoon which could take 5 minutes to make [16:30] TR News Perl Weekly Challenge 167: Circular Primes http://blogs.perl.org/users/laurent_r/2022/05/perl-weekly-challenge-167-circular-primes.html [16:30] TR Bot Weekly Challenge 167: Circular Primes | laurent_r [blogs.perl.org] [16:30] MinceR munroe or revoy? :> [16:31] XRevan86 https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/05/31/tallying-the-troops "BBC journalists identify more than 3000 Russian soldiers killed in Ukraine" [16:31] TR Bot NO TITLE [16:32] TR News FSFE: GAFAM money, publicity stunts https://fsfe.org/news/2022/news-20220531-01.en.html [16:32] TR Bot Volunteers organise Public Money? Public code! tour in Italy - FSFE [16:33] TR News Bullshit-complaint. Approved by the Empire, which puts back doors in almost everything. https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/05/31/your-go-application-fips-compliant [16:33] TR Bot Is your Go application FIPS compliant? | Red Hat Developer [16:37] TR News The Snowden NSA/GCHQ leaks were never invalidated. What was shown in these has gotten worse since and the exposed NSA colluders can only hope people forget and stop talking about it ("old news"). NSA back then leveraged multi-"diversity" PR team to manage the crisis and portray NSA critics as toxic and intolerant. [16:37] TR News No, Snowden has not spoken out against Putin this year. This is how much "Free-as-in-Freedom speech" there is in Russia... [16:39] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/22052655 [16:39] TR Bot IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/z6hhy2rjfm191.jpg created on 2022-05-26 18:48:04.899195 [16:39] TR News I don't kid when I say we need a strong term to describe people who deny the existence of back doors in hardware and software. "Back doors deniers" would be in bad taste... we need something else. [16:40] schestowitz_TR2 MinceR: monroe [16:40] schestowitz_TR2 revoy did a lot of proprietary software [16:40] schestowitz_TR2 until the sintel days [16:40] schestowitz_TR2 he moved to more blender purely for financial reasons [16:40] schestowitz_TR2 he had done a lot of work with proprietary software [16:41] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [16:41] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [16:43] TR News ICBM longing for slav... I mean, VOLUNTEERS... to write documentation for is products https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-docs-is-about-to-change-significantly-check-it-out-still-in-statu-nascendi/ [16:43] TR Bot Fedora docs is about to change significantly! Check it out still in statu nascendi. Fedora Community Blog [16:44] schestowitz_TR2 *its [16:45] MinceR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0-nslmzJVI [16:45] TR Bot https://invidious.weblibre.org/watch?v=j0-nslmzJVI [16:45] TR Bot invidious.weblibre.org | Monty Python's Flying Circus - Its Compilation. - Invidious [16:46] TR News Gulag Inc.: women too should code. Here, we're paying people an average of $5 an hour to code. Less than minimum wage, so we also pick poor countries. Later we'll shout "SKILLS SHORTAGE!" and use that to send the jobs abroad (or import people who work 80 hours a week, no questions asked; for immigration reasons, the 'boss' is the immigration authorities). [16:48] TR News For people who routinely see hardware 'naked' https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=6427 https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=6423 [16:48] TR Bot Name that Ware, May 2022 bunnie's blog [16:48] TR Bot Winner, Name that Ware April 2022 bunnie's blog [16:49] TR News Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165457 [16:49] TR Bot Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [16:50] TR News Use LibreOffice instead. FAR better. Does not lock you out. Does not spy on your every move, click etc. https://www.maketecheasier.com/change-margins-google-docs/ [16:50] TR Bot How to Change Margins on Google Docs - Make Tech Easier [16:51] TR News Why tell people to vandalise their GNU/Linux PC and compromise ALL their passwords???? https://idroot.us/install-microsoft-edge-almalinux-9/ see http://techrights.org/2021/11/17/microsoft-password-stealer/ [16:51] TR Bot How To Install Microsoft Edge on AlmaLinux 9 - idroot [16:51] TR Bot Bruce Schneier: Microsoft Edge is Apparently a Password Stealer Too, Even on GNU/Linux | Techrights [16:53] TR News This is ridiculous! https://www.xda-developers.com/how-back-up-restore-wsl/ why would ANYONE want to use this thing??? Almost nobody does: http://techrights.org/2021/10/05/microsoft-puff-pieces/ [16:53] TR Bot How to backup and restore your WSL distros on Windows 10 and 11 [16:53] TR Bot Microsoft Edge on Linux Puff Pieces and WSL2 Fake Linux | Techrights [16:54] TR News NVIDIA 515.48.07 Linux Graphics Driver Released as First Version with Open-Source Modules Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165458 [16:54] TR Bot NVIDIA 515.48.07 Linux Graphics Driver Released as First Version with Open-Source Modules | Tux Machines [16:55] psydruid restore WSL to its former glory [16:55] psydruid a.k.a. inexistence [16:56] MinceR + [16:56] TR News New Banana Pi BPI-CM4 compute module unveiled http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165313#comment-33836 [16:56] TR Bot Banana Pi announces alternative to Raspberry Pi CM4 | Tux Machines [16:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.08 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.20 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 ● May 31 [17:01] TR News VMware has long been an ugly company, more so after Microsofters infiltrated it https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/31/vmware_broadcom_acquisition_customer_reaction/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/VMware [17:01] TR Bot VMware users are nervous about Broadcom acquisition The Register [17:01] TR Bot VMware - Techrights [17:02] psydruid and made the company lose almost all of its advantages [17:02] psydruid that's progress Microsoft-style [17:02] TR News "One of the issues I have with teaching Mein Kampf and similar books is the quality of social studies teaching at the school I attended, Im pretty sure that teaching Mein Kampf in any way at that school would just turn out more neo-Nazis." https://etbe.coker.com.au/2022/05/31/links-may-2022/ [17:02] TR Bot Links May 2022 etbe - Russell Coker [17:03] TR News "The Russian government being apparently unaware of the Streisand Effect has threatened Wikipedia for publishing facts about the war against Ukraine [3]. We all should publicise this as much as possible. The Wikipedia page is The 2022 Russian Invasion of Ukraine [4]." https://etbe.coker.com.au/2022/05/31/links-may-2022/ [17:05] TR News "FINOS now has 57 corporate members ushering a new era in open collaboration across the global financial services industry." But watch the companies; it's openwashing for the most part. https://linuxfoundation.org/featured/fintech-open-source-collaboration-becomes-increasingly-critical/ "FINOS recently announced its support for in Davos." Woooot! DAVOS. [17:05] TR Bot Google Cloud, Socit Gnrale, American Express, Point72, Mirantis, and The Digital Dollar Project Join FINOS, as Open Source Collaboration Becomes Increasingly Critical Across the Global Financial Ecosystem - Linux Foundation [17:06] TR News So you are trying Microsoft spyware and proprietary software...? Seem like a giant step back. https://www.unixtutorial.org/trying-vscode/ [17:06] TR Bot Trying VSCode [17:08] TR News "One thing that has long baffled me about our ongoing global clusterfuck has been the push to just pretend that it's not happening. Who benefits financially from that? I think the answer is, commercial landlords and hotel financiers." https://www.jwz.org/blog/2022/03/following-the-money/ [17:08] TR Bot jwz: Following the money [17:09] TR News Top 15 Best Video Editing Software for Linux System in 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165459 [17:09] TR Bot Top 15 Best Video Editing Software for Linux System in 2022 | Tux Machines [17:12] TR News Maybe it can launch Slack in less than one minute then... https://www.fosslife.org/frontier-supercomputer-breaks-exascale-barrier [17:12] TR Bot Frontier Supercomputer Breaks Exascale Barrier [17:15] XRevan86 https://nitter.net/Shayan86/status/1531621366490927104#m heh [17:15] TR Bot Shayan Sardarizadeh (@Shayan86): "It's day 97 of war in Ukraine. Republican Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene and right-wing user Ian Miles Cheong claimed the Pride flag had been altered to incorporate the colours of the Ukrainian flag. But the flag is fake and was created as a joke, via @knowyourmeme." | nitter [17:19] schestowitz_TR2 Russia: crazy dictator cements power, by force like Luka [17:19] schestowitz_TR2 USA: crazy party seizes power, through election, than blames the elections [17:20] schestowitz_TR2 *then [17:20] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165460 [17:20] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [17:24] TR News More GSoC Students in GNOME http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165415#comment-33838 [17:24] TR Bot GSoC and Outreachy in Xfce and Debian | Tux Machines [17:26] TR News Jonas Dreler: Towards GNOME Shell on mobile http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165442#comment-33839 [17:26] TR Bot Ooh, GNOME Shell on Mobile is Shaping Up Nicely | Tux Machines [17:28] TR News Antitrust Experts Critique Antitrust Bills Promoting Other Interests - Disruptive Competition Project https://www.project-disco.org/competition/053122-antitrust-experts-critique-antitrust-bills-promoting-other-interests/ Source: project-disco [17:28] TR Bot Antitrust Experts Critique Antitrust Bills Promoting Other Interests - Disruptive Competition Project [17:29] TR News ICBM nuking things https://blog.tomecek.net/post/decommissioning/ [17:29] TR Bot Decommissioning an old project feels odd Blog | Tom Tomeek [17:38] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/22052624 [17:38] TR Bot IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/2iz4rfg8oo191.jpg created on 2022-05-26 07:29:36.436739 [17:39] TR News What does this have to do with Linux? Nothing. The Linux Foundation does a lot of unethical things, and then it hopes to be saved by political pandering https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/where-my-journey-started-and-where-its-going/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation [17:39] TR Bot Where My Journey Started and Where It's Going - Linux Foundation [17:39] TR Bot Linux Foundation - Techrights [17:43] TR News Titan Linux Beta Brings Simplicity, Finesse to KDE Remake Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165461 [17:43] TR Bot Titan Linux Beta Brings Simplicity, Finesse to KDE Remake | Tux Machines [17:48] *matey (~matey@e38kzwsbvddm6.irc) has joined #techrights [17:52] XRevan86 https://theins.press/en/news/251756 [17:52] TR Bot New case against Navalny for creating an extremist community: 15 more years in jail? [17:53] matey whats the latest mr revan [17:53] *phebus has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:53] XRevan86 matey: That's the latest. [17:54] matey fair enough [17:54] TR News The Linux Foundation Has Turned Its Blog (and the Linux.com Web Site) Into Politics | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/31/the-linux-foundation-politics/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/31/the-linux-foundation-politics/ [17:54] TR Bot The Linux Foundation Has Turned Its Blog (and the Linux.com Web Site) Into Politics | Techrights [17:54] matey sometimes i will poke at you for commentary but if you dont bite, i wont push [17:55] SomeH4x0r hi [17:55] matey hi [17:55] XRevan86 hi [17:55] schestowitz_TR2 hi [17:55] TR News hi [17:55] matey i dont think #digdeeper is what im looking for, but talking to the person its named for was enjoyable [17:55] matey ill probably go back there at some point, but i doubt its the sort of crowd im looking for [17:56] matey /me would say the same about nearly any channel on irc [17:57] XRevan86 https://bbc.com/news/world-europe-61643533 [17:57] TR Bot war: Refugee from Popasna spots looted possessions on Russian tank - BBC News [17:57] SomeH4x0r I rn am having an argument there over free speech definition [17:57] schestowitz_TR2 there are some laws it can conflict with [17:57] matey your definition of free speech is pretty extreme [17:57] schestowitz_TR2 like the shout "fire!" in theatre thing [17:58] matey /me has met very few people who want to shout that in a theatre [17:58] schestowitz_TR2 ok [17:58] matey i almost think of it as a strawman [17:58] schestowitz_TR2 but they might get arrested [17:58] matey though its a legitimate example [17:58] schestowitz_TR2 even if they start an actual fire [17:59] matey well yes, if you start an actual fire thats arson, and speech doesnt enter into it [17:59] matey marcel marceaux could be arrested for arson without saying a word [17:59] matey and then he could stand in his cell pretending he was trying to break out of an invisible cell ● May 31 [18:00] matey and that would be free speech [18:00] matey sort of [18:00] matey i think the best way to look at free speech-- and this is just a suggestion, is that we look at why free speech laws exist [18:00] matey because that tells a lot about not only why the right need to be protected [18:01] matey but also shows how sometimes appeals to whatever (protect the children!) are used as excuses to make crappy laws [18:02] matey and then from there, its possible to have a reasonable (if mostly ignored) conversation about protecting free speech [18:02] matey and people dont even have to agree on every detail, but thats (imo) the best place to start [18:02] matey of course thats been done, and people who want to control speech in a heavy handed way ignore the debate [18:03] matey so it only exists for those who want to fight against their bullshit [18:03] matey you can also start with extremes, but that tends to lose even the staunchest free speech advocates, except for a tiny tiny tiny fringe [18:03] matey and thats fine, if you really want to [18:04] matey at the very least, debating the boundaries of free speech should itself be free speech [18:04] matey which doesnt mean it will be welcomed [18:06] matey most of said fringe will think of some exception later, and prove they never really supported the extreme level of free speech they claimed [18:07] matey which isnt intended to smear those who never do such a turnaround, but most of their supporters will sooner or later [18:07] matey i dont think threats or fraud are free speech personally [18:08] matey but sometimes that gets stretched to say things like-- well, i dont think eben moglen for example... [18:08] matey /me shrugs [18:09] matey threatening to do something violent is one thing. threatening to do something perfectly legal is something else [18:09] matey stupid laws are a problem no matter what the goal is [18:10] matey so are stupid bylaws [18:10] matey when people defend stupid laws and stupid rules, they tend to focus on defending the goal, while its the means that are being critiqued [18:11] matey its completely dishonest, but without dishonesty how would so many stupid rules exist [18:11] matey then when you point this out they say "well, no rule is perfect, of course" :P [18:11] matey stalin tried to kill nearly everyone who disagreed with him [18:12] TR News Links 31/05/2022: Distrobox 1.3.0 and NVIDIA 515.48.07 Linux Graphics Driver | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/31/distrobox-1-3-0/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/31/distrobox-1-3-0/ [18:12] TR Bot Links 31/05/2022: Distrobox 1.3.0 and NVIDIA 515.48.07 Linux Graphics Driver | Techrights [18:12] matey well, no leader is perfect, of course... [18:12] TR News Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165462 [18:12] TR Bot Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [18:12] TR News Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165463 [18:12] TR Bot today's leftovers | Tux Machines [18:13] matey stalin is godwins krypotkenite [18:14] matey krypotkenite is russian kryptonite [18:14] matey it was ejected from the destruction of a faraway planet in the former soviet union [18:15] matey godwin forgot to make a rule about talking about stalin [18:15] matey checkmate, bitch [18:15] psydruid did Stalin also try to kill nearly everyone who agreed with him? [18:16] matey eventually, sort of? [18:16] matey i mean, you didnt want to be anywhere around and disagree with him [18:16] matey but as a hard literal rule im sure there are too many exceptions [18:16] psydruid no matter if you are with me or against me, you have to go! [18:16] matey i think its more true than not [18:16] matey the more powerful he got the worst he got about this [18:16] matey imo its barely an exaggeration [18:17] matey they probably killed him to save themselves [18:17] matey with poison, of course [18:17] matey there really is so much power you can exercise before everyone else wants you dead [18:17] matey so his paranoia, apart from killing him, was sort of justified [18:18] matey but he did it to himself. he was a fucking terrible leader [18:18] matey and maybe the worst military defence strategist of all time [18:19] matey he didnt know shit about it, and he did kill anyone that understood how to defeat russias enemies [18:19] matey because they were all part of the revolution, and he decided to purge everyone that was important to it (for his own safety) [18:19] matey as a result, when hitler decided to invade, everyone who was capable of strategy was already dead [18:20] matey plus he ordered all the defences destroyed [18:20] matey plus he ordered everyone to stand down and not provoke the invaders [18:20] matey i think homer simpson could have done far better [18:21] psydruid is he going to be nominated for the title of worst leader of all time? [18:21] matey even that level of incompetence is begging for your own people to kill you [18:21] TR News Did Perlow leave Linux Foundation? [18:21] matey but on top of that, he was still worse [18:22] matey is he going to be nominated <- i think thats like asking if the soviet union is going to fall [18:22] matey but incredibly, it survived stalin [18:22] matey not to fall until a few decades ago [18:23] matey and i think people are more interested in putin [18:23] matey but the similiarities are interesting imo [18:23] TR News "I'm intrigued by Spartan. I'm not 100% sold yet, but I was intrigued enough to add support to GemView, which will land in the next release of the Eva browser. The full spec is pretty well supported, although I want to do a bit more with how prompts are handled." gemini://gemini.hitchhiker-linux.org/gemlog/current_projects.gmi [18:24] TR News "Last year for computers has died on me. Or rather, the USB-C card has died, which for a computer that charges with usb-c is the same as being dead." gemini://iveqy.com/gemlog/2022-04-03_evil_usb.gmi [18:24] matey there are still people who are insane enough to put his picture up and remember him fondly [18:24] matey which just goes to show you how crazy some people are (i mean a picture of stalin) [18:25] matey but in most places, its easier to find non-defaced images of lenin still in place [18:25] TR News GNOME heading towards chaos for ICBM gain https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/commits/bilelmoussaoui/without-xwayland [18:25] TR Bot Commits bilelmoussaoui/without-xwayland GNOME / mutter GitLab [18:25] matey lenin wanted power in the hands of the people [18:26] matey stalin wanted to do it for them, and of course what resulted was incredible corruption and destruction [18:26] matey the dictatorship of the proletariat is not supposed to be a tyranny [18:26] matey stalins leadership was tyrannical [18:27] matey he took power away from everyone, from the soviets, and gave it to the bureaucracy [18:28] matey its really not unlike whats happening to free software under the new regime [18:29] matey computing will never be free under such a regime [18:30] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-05-30.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-05-31.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [18:30] matey for software to be free, the new regime must fail-- and it will [18:30] matey but there are always two paths to such failure [18:30] matey wait for it to die under its own waste, while everyone suffers for ages [18:30] matey or fight it actively [18:31] matey cowards want to just wait, they want peace, they want false compromise [18:31] matey put if you cant even speak out against it, thats pretty fucking useless [18:32] matey truth is always the only way forward [18:32] matey and not everyone agrees on the truth, but the problem is when people are deliberately full of shit [18:32] matey its no accident [18:33] matey they decide its better somehow, and thats how it happens [18:33] *zleap (~zleap@user/zleap) has joined #techrights [18:36] TR News Thunderbird + RSS: #HowTo Bring Your Favorite Content To The Inbox Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165464 [18:36] TR Bot Thunderbird + RSS: How To Bring Your Favorite Content To The Inbox | Tux Machines [18:38] TR News First SBoM Support in Open Source Firmware https://9esec.io/blog/software-bill-of-material-support-in-coreboot/ Source: 9esec [18:38] TR Bot First SBoM Support in Open Source Firmware [18:39] TR News HTML on documentation.suse.com Shape it up! https://www.suse.com/c/html-on-documentation-suse-com-shape-it-up/ [18:39] TR Bot on documentation.suse.com - Shape it up! | SUSE Communities [18:40] TR News Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165465 [18:40] TR Bot Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines [18:44] TR News 15 AWESOME KDE Apps: I was WRONG about KDE applications! - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=hlDnOkZFN2g Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia [18:44] TR Bot 15 AWESOME KDE Apps: I was WRONG about KDE applications! - Invidious [18:45] TR News "In this video, I am going to show an overview of AlmaLinux OS 9.0 and some of the applications pre-installed." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=UvIk0t1q720 [18:45] TR Bot AlmaLinux OS 9.0 overview | Free Linux OS for the community, by the community - Invidious [18:45] TR News Facing a growing image crisis (the correct perception that its working for large proprietary software companies interests), the Linux Foundation resorts to political PR stunts (like Mozilla); this has actually gone on for a while but its definitely accelerating this month and IRS forms are still missing http://techrights.org/2022/05/31/the-linux-foundation-politics/ [18:45] TR Bot The Linux Foundation Has Turned Its Blog (and the Linux.com Web Site) Into Politics | Techrights [18:47] TR News Vulnerability: Not Using Password Aging. Severity 8.8??? https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsma-22-151-01 [18:47] TR Bot BD Pyxis | CISA [18:47] psydruid some people long for the glory days, even if they will never come back [18:48] matey thats common on both the left and right [18:48] TR News Insufficient Session Expiration https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsma-22-151-02 [18:48] TR Bot BD Synapsys | CISA [18:48] matey the labour party confuses 90s-type reforms with a solution for todays crises [18:48] matey thats ineptitude [18:49] matey when things are going ok, you can move some levers and call it progress [18:49] TR News Maybe CISA should focus on those actively-exploited Microsoft back doors. But NSA loves those... until more actors know about them and actively exploit these... [18:49] matey when things are falling apart, all youre doing is gracing the iceberg [18:49] matey a major course correction is needed [18:50] matey but that costs more than people want t [18:50] matey they want change, but they want it to be free [18:50] matey they are conditioned to believe minor reforms work in every situation [18:50] matey "if i smoosh all these crumbs together, i can eat" [18:50] matey the problem with such thinking, apart from being poorly timed [18:51] matey is that between small reforms, there are major major cuts to things that matter [18:51] matey and where does the rest go? same place it always goes, to the big companies [18:51] matey the uk is no different from usa when it comes to this [18:51] matey and new labour gets by on the doing the least it can for people, with the margins, while selling out to the same crap the right does [18:52] TR News Tor misses the point here, unless it is E2EE https://www.techrepublic.com/article/speek-encrypted-chat-tor/ [18:52] TR Bot is a new encrypted chat service that uses Tor to offer secure communication | TechRepublic [18:52] matey only it sounds less hateful about it [18:52] matey its not like labour hasnt pushed for new draconian laws that even run contrary to international law [18:52] matey its not like labour hasnt abandoned principles its had for centuries either [18:52] TR News Mozilla is a scam when it comes to privacy and it is aware of this https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/mozilla-vpn/marketing-our-privacy-products-while-preserving-privacy/ [18:52] TR Bot Marketing our privacy products while preserving privacy [18:53] matey labour gets itself, then pushes small reforms [18:53] matey guts [18:53] matey so its like [18:53] matey it sells off everyones house [18:53] matey then says "we will help keep the rent for a small flat down so you can pay the rent" [18:53] matey well thats very nice, but they had a fucking house [18:53] matey and they have 3 children [18:53] matey and they had jobs [18:53] matey but all that was gutted in the previous government [18:54] matey then we get small reforms [18:54] TR News This has NOTHING to do with Linux. It's just copy-pasted marketing material https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel-rialto-bridge&num=1 [18:54] TR Bot Announces Rialto Bridge As Ponte Vecchio Successor, Talks Up Falcon Shores & DAOS - Phoronix [18:54] matey only a completely one-dimensional treatment of such fraud would keep people from seeing how blatant it is [18:54] TR News Release Date: 2022.5.31 https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/189809/en-us [18:54] TR Bot x64 (AMD64/EM64T) Display Driver | 515.48.07 | Linux 64-bit | NVIDIA [18:54] matey but again, its the same for new labour as it is for the new fsf [18:55] matey on the whole, theyre basically selling it off [18:55] matey like when americans go to ireland to buy castles [18:56] matey the internet, same thing [18:56] matey they built it with public money, then they sell it off to corporations [18:56] matey every (american) football stadium, same deal [18:56] matey public money-- public land-- then it gets sold off [18:56] matey its a scam [18:57] matey this is the level of fraud they perpetrate [18:57] matey the media is entirely complicit in it [18:58] matey handing people pieces of the story, so people dont ask "why arent you covering this?"" [18:58] matey then distracting them with bullshit and small reforms [18:58] matey they dont add up to anything [18:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.08 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.20 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 [18:59] matey when a radar guided missile is fired at a plane [18:59] matey the pilot releases chaff, little bits of material that throw off the radar [18:59] matey (for heat seeking missiles they launch flares, same concept) ● May 31 [19:00] matey when the public gets pissed off about the constant fraud and theft from the public [19:00] matey they launch small reforms [19:08] psydruid does becoming a member of the labour party mean that you get sent to a labour camp for free? [19:08] matey lol [19:08] matey dont get me wrong, the labour party is probably the best party for progress in the long run [19:09] matey but not because they arent utterly corrupt [19:09] matey the way parties work in the uk, at least [19:09] matey if you want people represented, theyre better off trying to take over the labour party politically [19:09] matey than starting their own party [19:10] matey thats not possible in the states because the parties are just extensions of the corporations [19:10] matey it seems similar in the uk but it isnt quite [19:10] matey theyre ACTING as extensions of the corporations, but only because no ones holding the party accountable [19:10] matey the party cant simply be owned in the same way it could be in the states [19:11] matey so the answer is not reform, not a third party, but taking the labour party back [19:11] matey so people who want real change are focused on that [19:11] matey however, what the fakes are doing is saying labour isnt corrupt and doing its best [19:11] matey nobody in their right mind believes that [19:11] matey the evidence is stacked against labour [19:12] matey its called new labour to distinguish it from when the party stood for something [19:12] matey the new fsf is the same [19:12] matey the parallels are so brazen, it would be silly not to talk about them [19:12] matey one obvious difference is i believe labour can be taken again [19:13] matey the fsf however, is a 501c3 non-profit that has completely abandoned its principles [19:13] matey it has been taken over more like the american democratic party than by labour [19:13] *kiki- (~KiKi@maai43v9gd28u.irc) has joined #techrights [19:13] matey the corruption is similar, but it requires something else to fix it [19:14] matey it isnt possible to "take back" the fsf, because the way its been taken over is different [19:14] matey the similarities are in the present state its in [19:14] psydruid the labour party here almost got annihilated during the past few elections [19:14] psydruid in* [19:14] matey i dont know anything about labour in other countries [19:14] matey and i wouldnt necessarily assume its the same [19:15] matey im not only interested in the uk [19:15] matey but its where i have the most experience with labour [19:15] matey i knew someone who worked for blair [19:15] matey we were close friends [19:16] matey but he wasnt as skeptical. no one believed in iraq though [19:16] matey iraq was a complete fucking farce and everyone knew it [19:17] matey adventurism and murder for profit [19:17] psydruid there is also a socialist party that has the same number of seats in parliament as the labour party [19:17] matey im not against socialist parties of course [19:17] matey whether a socialist party is the best thing for a countries given situation [19:17] matey depends on both the party itself and the alternatives in that country [19:18] psydruid and a green left party as well [19:18] matey everyone seems wary of greens [19:18] psydruid they are about equally big [19:18] psydruid yes [19:18] matey in europe they have an awful reputation, but they seem to think its different in the states [19:18] psydruid I consider them the fake left [19:18] matey my own experience with the green party in the states is [19:18] matey maybe theyre the lesser of 3 evils [19:19] matey but imo theyre reform posing as socialism [19:19] matey reform isnt bad when its not the goal and the most you can do at a given time [19:19] matey but when people decide reform IS the platform [19:19] matey thats when it goes to hell [19:20] matey because youre comitting to never doing enough [19:20] matey and theres plenty of that already :) [19:20] psydruid many people get lured in, though [19:20] matey oh yeah [19:20] matey its very seductive [19:20] matey change! positive change! [19:20] psydruid this party leader is so smooth! [19:20] matey so its never going to be enough, its the best we can do for now! [19:21] matey minks and weasels are smooth [19:21] matey i dont think they should be made into coats, its very wasteful and inhumane [19:21] matey tiny little creatures, so many to make one coat, its appalling [19:21] matey but dont elect them ffs [19:21] matey phipps calls himself webmink [19:22] matey again, theyre basically weasels [19:23] psydruid I never made that connection before [19:23] psydruid but he knows himself quite well apparently [19:26] *matey has quit (connection closed) [19:29] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [19:29] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [19:37] *phebus (~phebus@f95gnd3zj7732.irc) has joined #techrights [19:43] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@gh8na7454n39k.irc) has joined #techrights [19:44] DaemonFC The other resort in the town I booked our vacation in just burned down. [19:44] DaemonFC Glad I didn't get rooms there. [19:46] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I don't know how happy the landlord would be about me cutting down part of that bush, but the air conditioner has been working a lot better since I did. [19:46] DaemonFC If he says anything I guess I'll just say it was blocking the air conditioner exhaust and causing it to malfunction. [19:47] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [19:47] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [19:47] DaemonFC I keep looking at reviews for vacuum cleaners. Everyone says the same thing. For what they cost nowadays, it makes no sense to hire a professional to fix them so there's hardly any vacuum repair stores. [19:52] *kiki- has quit (Quit: Leaving) [19:53] MinceR (cat) (audio:important) https://i.imgur.com/4DpCakQ.mp4 [19:55] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:58] *bnchs (~bnchs@4j9px5imyukvq.irc) has joined #techrights ● May 31 [20:00] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [20:00] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has left #techrights (Leaving.) [20:01] psydruid Rialto Bridge is the one you jump off of when you want to get away from Intel [20:04] schestowitz_TR2 drown in a lake [20:04] schestowitz_TR2 of coffee [20:04] schestowitz_TR2 boiling [20:04] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [20:06] AdmFubar that's better..... power failure here had screwed up my system [20:06] schestowitz_TR2 oh [20:06] schestowitz_TR2 psu? [20:09] TR News Buffer Overflow https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-151-01 [20:09] TR Bot Fuji Electric Alpha7 PC Loader | CISA [20:11] TR News "CVSS v3 8.3 ATTENTION: Exploitable remotely... give the same countermeasure effect to other products installed in the same folder (e.g. C:\Program files\MELSOFT)." CRITICAL FLAW... Windows junk https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-20-212-02 [20:11] TR Bot Mitsubishi Electric Factory Automation Engineering Software (Update B) | CISA [20:15] TR News "On 4th June, at 19:00 UTC, we are doing an online workshop to help out new relay operators. 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Allows to use Multiple Microphones at same time http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165433#comment-33840 [20:22] TR Bot Firefox 101 Released with Only Minor Changes | Tux Machines [20:24] TR News SUSE trying to seem cool https://www.suse.com/c/are-you-ready-for-some-time-travel/ [20:24] TR Bot You Ready for Some Time Travel? | SUSE Communities [20:26] TR News "After a LOT of research, Ramons new video is done: this time he investigates how to create vector libraries in Inkscape for use in Krita. 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I briefly tried to search for a chat room related to the Paris office, but my matrix server kept timing out." https://blog.jabberhead.tk/2022/05/31/europe-trip-journal-entry-28-the-above-and-the-beneath/ [20:28] TR Bot Europe Trip Journal Entry 28: The Above and the Beneath vanitasvitae's blog [20:28] psydruid https://drewdevault.com/2022/05/30/bleh.html [20:28] TR Bot bleh [20:29] TR News "A remote, unauthenticated attacker could exploit this vulnerability to take control of an affected system. Microsoft has reported active exploitation of this vulnerability in the wild." These criminals had the audacity to spread "Linux" security FUD in the media https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/05/31/microsoft-releases-workaround-guidance-msdt-follina-vulnerability [20:29] TR Bot Microsoft Releases Workaround Guidance for MSDT "Follina" Vulnerability | CISA [20:29] psydruid > [notice] wccftech.com | Intel's Sapphire Rapids HBM 'Xeon Scalable' CPUs With 64 GB HBM2e Memory Offer Up To 3x Performance Increase Over Ice Lake Xeons [20:29] psydruid Wtfhappenedtomypowerbill [20:30] TR News GIMP Keyboard Shortcuts Cheatsheet https://www.maketecheasier.com/cheatsheet/gimp-keyboard-shortcuts/ [20:30] TR Bot GIMP Keyboard Shortcuts Cheatsheet - Make Tech Easier [20:30] TR News CISA: we recommend the "controlled" back doors. Controlled by us and NSA. [20:31] TR News Destination Linux 280: Improving Firefox With Cool Extensions - TuxDigital https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/destination-linux/dl-280/ Source: TuxDigital | GNU | Linux [20:31] TR Bot Improving Firefox With Cool Extensions - Destination Linux - TuxDigital [20:34] TR News Ransomware is largely a Windows problem, but Microsoft and its partners try to distort perceptions like this https://duo.com/decipher/cheerscrypt-linux-based-ransomware-targets-vmware-esxi-servers [20:34] TR Bot Cheerscrypt Linux-Based Ransomware Targets VMware ESXi Servers | Decipher [20:35] XRevan86 https://theins.press/en/news/251763 [20:35] TR Bot They keep lying to us: Parents of Moskva cruiser conscripts still in the dark about their children [20:35] TR News Full Circle Weekly News #264 | Full Circle Magazine https://fullcirclemagazine.org/podcast/full-circle-weekly-news-264/ Source: fullcirclemagazine [20:35] XRevan86 https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/31/7349734/ [20:35] TR Bot Full Circle Weekly News #264 | Full Circle Magazine [20:35] TR Bot Russians hit a nitric acid tank in Sievierodonetsk | Ukrayinska Pravda [20:36] XRevan86 https://wsj.com/articles/opec-weighs-suspending-russia-from-oil-production-deal-11654019943 [20:36] TR Bot Weighs Suspending Russia From Oil-Production Deal - WSJ [20:36] XRevan86 Paywall, eh? [20:37] schestowitz_TR2 psydruid: got our power bill again today [20:37] schestowitz_TR2 never went beyond 100, for gas included [20:38] schestowitz_TR2 I have friends that pay like 3 times more [20:38] psydruid How do they end up paying so much? [20:38] psydruid Families? 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[21:12] schestowitz_TR2 3 of them [21:12] schestowitz_TR2 the rest are idle and sometimes sleeping [21:12] schestowitz_TR2 plus external monitors [21:12] schestowitz_TR2 gas is mostly thr water heating [21:13] schestowitz_TR2 but anyway, it' s still like 20-30% higher than last year [21:13] schestowitz_TR2 it's just that people I speak to get shockingbills [21:13] schestowitz_TR2 and to them it's a matter or making ends meet or having to borrow money [21:14] TR News Monados hand tracking: hand-waving our way towards a first attempt Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165473 [21:14] TR Bot Monado's hand tracking: hand-waving our way towards a first attempt | Tux Machines [21:15] TR News SafeDrill uses tinyML to encourage proper drilling technique | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/05/31/safedrill-uses-tinyml-to-encourage-proper-drilling-technique/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking [21:15] TR Bot SafeDrill uses tinyML to encourage proper drilling technique | Arduino Blog [21:20] *bnchsbot (~bnchsbot@4j9px5imyukvq.irc) has joined #techrights [21:20] bnchs http://youtube.com/watch?v=5M9IbeaBlmI [21:20] TR Bot https://invidious.flokinet.to/watch?v=5M9IbeaBlmI [21:20] -bnchsbot/#techrights-@Invidious: https://example.com/watch?v=5M9IbeaBlmI [21:20] -bnchsbot/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://example.com/watch?v=5M9IbeaBlmI ) [21:20] TR Bot invidious.flokinet.to | I'll be at Linuxfest Southeast in Charlotte, NC (2022) - Invidious [21:21] bnchs !invupdate bnchsbot [21:21] bnchsbot Updating list. 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Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-05-30.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-05-31.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [21:32] TR News Don't they already make enough money violating people's privacy? https://www.gsmarena.com/telegram_to_soon_launch_its_premium_plan-news-54468.php [21:32] TR Bot to soon launch its premium plan - GSMArena.com news [21:33] TR News "Debian" as a surname https://www.masslive.com/highschoolsports/2022/05/hannah-debian-claims-shot-put-title-gives-west-springfield-first-ever-girls-first-place-finisher-at-d-iii-track-field-championships-more.html [21:33] TR Bot Debian claims shot put title, gives West Springfield first ever girls first-place finisher at D-III Track & Field Championships & more - masslive.com [21:35] TR News Red Hat Satellite 6.10.6 has been released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165474 [21:35] TR Bot Red Hat Satellite 6.10.6 has been released | Tux Machines [21:36] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@udgxcqckybdb6.irc) has joined #techrights [21:36] TR News Debian GNU/Linux, do not expect this to run Windows https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20220531PR201.html?chid=9 [21:36] TR Bot ASUS Tinker Board features excellent computing power and strong supply chain to satisfy industrial automation and commercial markets [21:38] *leah has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:38] TR News People who literally attack government buildings lecturing us on ethics... https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/may/29/conservatives-seek-to-hold-woke-companies-accounta/ [21:38] TR Bot Conservatives seek to hold woke companies accountable with free-speech, religion rankings - Washington Times [21:38] *CrystalMath has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:39] TR News Creation of a Proof-of-Concept 3D-Printed Spinal Lateral Access Simulator https://www.cureus.com/articles/92792-creation-of-a-proof-of-concept-3d-printed-spinal-lateral-access-simulator [21:39] TR Bot Creation of a Proof-of-Concept 3D-Printed Spinal Lateral Access Simulator [21:39] *mjg59_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:40] DaemonFC The left went there first. [21:40] TR News Journalism? WHAT'S DAT? "Sponsored"... paid-for garbage... adverts as 'reports' https://www.technologydecisions.com.au/content/security/sponsored/best-practices-for-applying-the-essential-eight-framework-to-java-security-621255705 [21:40] TR Bot Best Practices for Applying the Essential Eight Framework to Java Security [21:40] DaemonFC Selling off stocks that make a lot of money because they don't have enough affirmative action or something. [21:41] DaemonFC Holding the employees who will depend on those funds to retire hostage along the way. [21:41] DaemonFC Like Illinois with its 20% funded pensions. [21:41] *CrystalMath (~coderain@rjpysmj5fwrp4.irc) has joined #techrights [21:41] TR News This is sad. They also outsource everything to another country, continent, and to surveillance giants. https://www.business-live.co.uk/technology/bristol-virtual-events-platform-working-24079517 [21:41] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.business-live.co.uk/technology/bristol-virtual-events-platform-working-24079517 ) [21:41] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:41] *leah (~leah@wrh2nipuzrd3y.irc) has joined #techrights [21:41] DaemonFC schestowitz_TR2, But the last thing we need is another bullshit index like this that nobody cares about. [21:42] TR News Flatpak Permissions Manager App Flatseal 1.8 Adds More Useful Options and Improvements Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165475 [21:42] TR Bot Flatpak Permissions Manager App Flatseal 1.8 Adds More Useful Options and Improvements | Tux Machines [21:42] DaemonFC It's like signing a petition that nobody cares about. [21:42] schestowitz_TR2 except the singers [21:42] DaemonFC They think that people like my mom who has no investments and $80 in the bank who stocked up on guns, bullets, and water purification kettles are going to somehow punish the S&P 500. [21:42] DaemonFC By withholding their spending. [21:43] *kiki has quit (Quit: nyaa~) [21:43] DaemonFC I'm not talking "She got a Brita." I mean, they straight up sold her something for "the end of the world". [21:43] DaemonFC She's turning into her mother. [21:44] schestowitz_TR2 yeahc [21:44] schestowitz_TR2 common [21:44] schestowitz_TR2 we approach end of USSA [21:44] schestowitz_TR2 not the world [21:44] schestowitz_TR2 the world will go on [21:44] DaemonFC we approach end of USSA [21:44] DaemonFC I wouldn't go that far. [21:44] DaemonFC The far-right has always been nuts. [21:44] schestowitz_TR2 Canada is preparing [21:45] schestowitz_TR2 they issue report about the dangers of the USSA [21:45] DaemonFC People were making fun of "preppers" in the 70s. [21:45] DaemonFC Canada is disarming their citizens because they plan to do something terrible. [21:45] DaemonFC And they don't want anyone out there who can punish them for it. [21:45] schestowitz_TR2 naaa.. [21:45] schestowitz_TR2 Canada is far better off [21:45] DaemonFC An armed citizenry terrifies a government that is planning to do something terrible. [21:45] schestowitz_TR2 when did you last year of a mass hooter in a Candian school|? [21:45] schestowitz_TR2 or a British scool for that matter? [21:45] DaemonFC So if that's the case, why do they have to disarm everyone? [21:46] DaemonFC If they can generally be trusted with guns and mass shootings are unheard of? [21:46] schestowitz_TR2 you sound like an oath keepers nut [21:46] schestowitz_TR2 enough [21:46] schestowitz_TR2 bbl [21:46] DaemonFC Could it be the government is afraid that when they fuck over the public, then some people will be upset about it? [21:46] DaemonFC And capable of doing something about it. [21:47] *mjg59_ (~mjg59@ajm54sra9b86c.irc) has joined #techrights [21:48] DaemonFC Generally, governments want large militaries, well paid, with lots of weapons, so they can turn them against the public when they take away your elections and social programs and tell you what you're going to do about it, which is basically nothing at that point. [21:48] DaemonFC So that's where Trudeau is going with this because that's the only reason it ever happens. [21:49] DaemonFC After he disarms everyone, watch what happens. He can declare martial law. He can suspend democracy and the courts. He can cut the national health system and Social Insurance. [21:49] DaemonFC You don't think it could happen in Canada, but they're about a year or two out from that. [21:49] DaemonFC As long as it takes to run the "mandatory gun buyback" then that's the end of all of that. [21:49] DaemonFC The UK is turning into a corrupt autocracy under Boris Johnson. [21:50] DaemonFC And it seems to be happening slowly, and a lot of the people who live there are in disbelief that it could happen to them. [21:50] DaemonFC "We're a free country. We're an old democracy. We're far too good to allow this!" Except, that's exactly what's going on. [21:50] DaemonFC It's all slipping away. [21:51] AdmFubar oh you noticed [21:51] DaemonFC And it's basically....Well, it goes back to jingoism, which I believe is a term the British coined anyway. [21:51] DaemonFC So it's fitting. [21:51] DaemonFC Nobody wants to see or admit it, because they know they will suffer greatly, so they don't admit what's happening. [21:52] TR News Links 31/05/2022: Flatseal 1.8.0 and Deepin Linux 20.6 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/05/31/deepin-linux-20-6/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/05/31/deepin-linux-20-6/ [21:52] TR Bot Links 31/05/2022: Flatseal 1.8.0 and Deepin Linux 20.6 | Techrights [21:52] DaemonFC oh you noticed [21:52] DaemonFC That Boris Johnson is to Hitler what Miller Lite is to regular Miller? [21:53] DaemonFC Yeah. Shame Roy hasn't. [21:53] schestowitz_TR2 millions die from guns where you are [21:53] schestowitz_TR2 most of the population does not want that [21:53] DaemonFC Uh, millions? [21:53] DaemonFC Bit of a stretch. [21:53] schestowitz_TR2 and you tell me abouyt government doing something terrible [21:53] schestowitz_TR2 like what, bombing schools [21:53] schestowitz_TR2 M.O.V.E. was in USA [21:54] schestowitz_TR2 Waco [21:54] *kiki (~kiki@xk2dfpk6f8czc.irc) has joined #techrights [21:54] schestowitz_TR2 and it was the government BOMBING people with rifles [21:54] DaemonFC The government was responsible for what happened in Waco. [21:54] schestowitz_TR2 even kids were bombed [21:54] DaemonFC They murdered all of those people just to make a point. [21:54] schestowitz_TR2 reminds me who's really in charge [21:54] DaemonFC That was Bill Clinton. [21:54] schestowitz_TR2 and the government doesn't care aboure your pistol [21:54] schestowitz_TR2 *about [21:55] DaemonFC If they don't care about it, why are they trying to take it away? [21:55] schestowitz_TR2 no [21:55] schestowitz_TR2 it was not clinton [21:55] schestowitz_TR2 waco siege was 1985 [21:55] DaemonFC Why are they trying to pass a law that says the Illinois State Police can scan your Facebook and if you're a Republican or Libertarian, they can take away your FOID card? [21:55] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege#/media/File:Mountcarmelfire04-19-93-n.jpg [21:55] TR Bot Waco siege - Wikipedia [21:56] schestowitz_TR2 "the government is afraid" [21:56] DaemonFC schestowitz, Then the Illinois Senate Majority Leader, a black Democrat who voted to end bail and shut down prisons, got her Mercedes jacked and chopped. [21:56] schestowitz_TR2 government lol, real sorry, too many megatons? [21:56] DaemonFC Her husband had a FOID and CCW and fired shots at them, and didn't hit any of them. [21:56] DaemonFC Different rules for the politicians. [21:57] DaemonFC A regular citizen wouldn't have gone "I emptied two clips and didn't even graze one of the three!" without getting slapped with reckless discharge of a firearm and maybe something else too. [21:57] DaemonFC But he's a politician's spouse, so the whole thing quietly goes away, you know. [21:58] DaemonFC This guy is either the worst fucking shot that's passed the 16 hours firearms safety training, or they were carjacked by Agents Smith, Brown, and Thompson from The Matrix. [21:58] DaemonFC MinceR, ^ [21:58] DaemonFC I hope they never get her car back. [21:58] DaemonFC Serves her right. [21:59] DaemonFC Hopefully it happens to her next car too. Maybe she'll leave the state and someone else can run for her seat. ● May 31 [22:00] schestowitz_TR2 not clinton https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing [22:00] TR Bot 1985 MOVE bombing - Wikipedia [22:00] schestowitz_TR2 the US has a long history like this [22:00] schestowitz_TR2 violent groups with guns are just bombed to rubble [22:00] DaemonFC schestowitz_TR2, "Don't honk, it's Lake County, Illinois. Half of them have assault rifles and the death sentence in another state." [22:00] schestowitz_TR2 like ISIS [22:00] DaemonFC Somehow our "gun free zone" laws didn't work. [22:01] schestowitz_TR2 bbl [22:02] DaemonFC schestowitz_TR2, The MOVE bombing was the government. [22:02] DaemonFC Last I checked, the police are the government. [22:02] DaemonFC :) [22:02] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [22:03] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [22:03] DaemonFC The government doesn't tolerate people who are a threat to it. [22:03] DaemonFC Ask the Bundy family (the one in Idaho, not Al Bundy), how that went. [22:04] DaemonFC All they wanted was to let their cattle graze on land nobody was using for anything anyway. [22:04] DaemonFC And so the government came out and murdered one of them. [22:04] schestowitz_TR2 that's not how it happened [22:04] schestowitz_TR2 they besieged compounds [22:04] DaemonFC They're white, so when they want to let their cattle graze on land the government wasn't using, "domestic terrorists". [22:04] schestowitz_TR2 with weapons [22:05] DaemonFC that's not how it happened [22:06] DaemonFC LOL, a minor government office, after the government already terrorized their family over the cattle grazing. [22:07] DaemonFC And then after a few days of people eating coffee and donuts and not trashing the property and burning it and turning the wetlands into a port a potty and litter disposal like BLM would have, the feds came in shooting. [22:07] DaemonFC You need to stop watching CNN. [22:08] DaemonFC The feds didn't want to resolve that peacefully. Obama wanted another Waco or Ruby Ridge so he could claim there were white terrorists. [22:09] DaemonFC The attack on the Branch Davidians was what radicalized McVeigh. [22:09] DaemonFC So in a way, Bill Clinton actually caused the Oklahoma City Bombing too. [22:09] DaemonFC At least, if that's really what happened. [22:09] DaemonFC Bill Clinton also fired cruise missiles at a pharmaceutical plant and completely bungled the operation in Somalia. [22:10] DaemonFC The guy was worse than "just a friend of Epstein". [22:10] DaemonFC But until the Epstein stuff made the rounds, the Democrats trotted him out and put the spotlight on him and let him keep talking for like an hour at every convention. [22:11] DaemonFC schestowitz_TR2, It's hard to even tell which party is worse, you know. [22:11] DaemonFC You vote for Obama, it's like the third term of Bush. [22:11] DaemonFC They are different from each other, but hard to say which is worse. [22:12] DaemonFC The Democrats keep playing Lucy and Charlie Brown with the football with the American public. [22:12] DaemonFC They get majorities, sometimes huge ones, nothing improves for the people who have to live under them. [22:12] DaemonFC Nothing! [22:13] DaemonFC And if it does, it's temporary election year vote buying, with your own money, which disappears as soon as the election is over with. [22:13] DaemonFC Like Pritzker's "tax reforms", which last 6 months (the gas tax) and 12 months (everything else). [22:13] DaemonFC So not actually reforming anything. [22:14] DaemonFC And speaking of which, the $100 he bragged about (which is about a tank of gas thanks to Bidenflation) still hasn't hit our bank account. [22:15] DaemonFC This is the Democrat plan. It's planning to buy people off until the election is over and then terminate all of the programs. [22:16] DaemonFC The Republicans smell blood in the water. [22:16] DaemonFC They've fielded a House candidate in every Democratic leaning district up to D+15. [22:16] DaemonFC Why would they do it unless they expected it to pay off? [22:17] DaemonFC Ask Pelosi what her plan it for baby formula. [22:17] DaemonFC No help with the formula, but we want you to murder your child. [22:17] DaemonFC Morally bankrupt, every last one of them. [22:19] TR News Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165476 [22:19] TR Bot today's leftovers | Tux Machines [22:20] DaemonFC They act like being anti-government comes out of nowhere. [22:21] DaemonFC "We make them work from January to July, for free, to pay our taxes.....so we can buy votes with it from other people, and pass huge corrupt bailout bills for banks with their money, and then inflate the dollars they managed to save. Why on Earth could they be upset?" [22:22] DaemonFC There are fewer anti-government types in most of Europe for now. [22:22] DaemonFC Wait until this Russian energy ban makes it impossible for them to live. [22:22] DaemonFC See what kind of hell breaks loose then. [22:23] DaemonFC That's why Trudeau wants all the guns. He knows when the misery index gets dialed up to 11, he wants a disarmed public staring down the barrels of the military's guns, and they'll be the only ones who will have them. [22:24] DaemonFC The politicians do know what's coming. They know that they plan to make you give up your standard of living in ways that will piss you off. [22:25] DaemonFC CNN be like: "Here's all 1,000 hours of coverage on Will Smith at the Oscars!" [22:26] TR News Linux Lite 6.0 Is Finally Here with the Xfce 4.16 Desktop, Based on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165477 [22:26] TR Bot Linux Lite 6.0 Is Finally Here with the Xfce 4.16 Desktop, Based on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS | Tux Machines [22:27] DaemonFC CNN has to keep talking about January 6th. That's all they are now is Will Smith and a guy who hasn't been the president in two years. [22:27] DaemonFC Sponsored by Amazon. [22:28] DaemonFC The occasional article to remind people about COVID because nobody would even remember that either, without them, except the soft martial law the Democrat governors implemented. [22:28] TR News NixOS 22.05 Run Through - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=H1HEH2rJK_s Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia [22:28] TR Bot NixOS 22.05 Run Through - Invidious [22:29] *bnchs (~bnchs@4j9px5imyukvq.irc) has joined #techrights [22:29] TR News NixOS 22.5 Is Now Available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165423#comment-33841 [22:29] TR Bot NixOS 22.05 Is Out with GNOME 42.1, Calamares Graphical Installer, and Linux 5.15 LTS | Tux Machines [22:30] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [22:30] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [22:33] TR News Linux Lite 6.0 Final Released - See Release Announcements http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165477#comment-33842 [22:33] TR Bot Linux Lite 6.0 Is Finally Here with the Xfce 4.16 Desktop, Based on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS | Tux Machines [22:33] TR News Murena, the privacy-first Android smartphone, arrives Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165478 Android? Phone? Privacy? Contradiction. [22:33] TR Bot Murena, the privacy-first Android smartphone, arrives | Tux Machines [22:35] *kiki has quit (Quit: connection closed.) [22:37] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [22:37] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [22:38] schestowitz_TR2 : https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/21622-finland-may-have-abandoned-face-masks-too-soon-says-linden.html [22:38] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/21622-finland-may-have-abandoned-face-masks-too-soon-says-linden.html ) [22:39] TR News Open-Source vs. Closed-Source Software: Whats the Difference? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165479 [22:39] TR Bot Open-Source vs. Closed-Source Software: What's the Difference? | Tux Machines [22:40] schestowitz_TR2 "But I wouldve liked to see mask use continue at least until May. [22:40] schestowitz_TR2 The Finnish Institute for Health and Welfare (THL) essentially scrapped its broad-based mask recommendation in mid-April. The decision was abrupt and surprising, according to Lindn. [22:40] schestowitz_TR2 That put pretty much an immediate stop to mask use, he stated to the newspaper. [22:40] schestowitz_TR2 Lindn has seen the incidence of coronavirus-related deaths peak since taking on his ministerial duties in February. Although the pandemic has since begun to wane and the deaths have primarily occurred among elderly in recent months, he said he has seriously considered what could have been done differently. [22:40] schestowitz_TR2 He returned from a summit of the World Health Organisation (WHO) in Geneva, Switzerland, on Wednesday." [22:53] DaemonFC schestowitz_TR2, Well, mom's stockpile of crap off of Amazon just blew up on her. [22:53] DaemonFC She got a letter in the mail from the landlord. He's raising the rent almost $300 a month. [22:54] DaemonFC She moved in there like 2014 or something I think and he didn't raise the rent for 8 years, and now he wants money I guess. [22:54] schestowitz_TR2 "One thing that has long baffled me about our ongoing global clusterfuck has been the push to just pretend that it's not happening. Who benefits financially from that? I think the answer is, commercial landlords and hotel financiers." https://www.jwz.org/blog/2022/03/following-the-money/ [22:54] TR Bot jwz: Following the money [22:55] DaemonFC It makes sense that if food, gasoline, utilities, and everything else goes up, eventually the landlord wants more money too. [22:55] DaemonFC She spends all of her money on stuff she throws in the closet and then never even unboxes. [22:56] DaemonFC schestowitz_TR2, Of course it's not all inflation. [22:56] DaemonFC They see the opportunity to kick people while they're down and go for it, and even brag at shareholder meetings, like the CEO of Kroger did. [22:56] schestowitz_TR2 inflaation is good, according to omidyar [22:56] schestowitz_TR2 it only hurts people like him [22:56] DaemonFC "What are they gonna do? Stop eating!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! WE GOT EM BY THE BALLS!" [22:56] DaemonFC Inflation is good! -RMS [22:57] schestowitz_TR2 RMS was just quoting it [22:57] schestowitz_TR2 anyway, shock doctrine [22:57] schestowitz_TR2 covid, ukraine [22:57] DaemonFC The guy seems to be like Reverse Felta, you know. [22:57] DaemonFC So smart in some ways, totally doesn't get it. [22:57] schestowitz_TR2 net effect is another great depression [22:57] DaemonFC But with Stallman, the ridiculous bullshit is coming from the left, not the right, like it does with Felta. [22:58] DaemonFC I don't consider myself to be a wingnut. I think what happened with the Bundys was government escalating things until it turned into a situation. [22:58] DaemonFC It started out with them telling them to get off "government land" with his cattle. [22:58] DaemonFC So that they wouldn't eat grass that was useless. [22:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.08 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.20 average k/sec., average swarm size 0 [22:59] DaemonFC It's an outrage that the federal government has land other than Washington, DC, which is actually authorized by the Constitution. [22:59] schestowitz_TR2 it's not useless [22:59] DaemonFC The rest should have reverted to the states as soon as they were admitted. [22:59] schestowitz_TR2 sthe place can get barren [22:59] DaemonFC OK, if the state wanted the grass, then sure, but it wouldn't have. ● May 31 [23:00] DaemonFC Nevada is almost entirely federal land, so they can test nukes and store radioactive waste there,. [23:00] DaemonFC And just dump it on people who want to live and have no say in the matter. [23:01] DaemonFC A government that is about 3,000 miles away and doesn't answer to them owns 80% of their land! [23:01] DaemonFC I think that the people of Nevada should decide what goes on there, including if they want to allow radioactive waste to be dumped in their state. [23:01] DaemonFC So you have the feds telling Idaho residents what they can do with grass, while it nukes Nevadans. [23:02] DaemonFC You don't see this as a problem? [23:02] DaemonFC Well, your entire country is less than the size of Indiana and Illinois put together iirc. [23:03] DaemonFC So maybe you don't get the "government 3,000 miles away nuking you and putting 'stay off the grass' signs up in your state" thing, but some of us get it and don't like it. [23:03] DaemonFC India probably still remembers life under British colonization. [23:03] DaemonFC And the federal government doesn't treat people in Nevada much better than that. [23:03] DaemonFC So in many ways, our federal government is like a hostile foreign entity. [23:04] TR News "Source Hut is a relatively small source forge and for the past year hsa been getting smashed with traffic all coming from the exact same location, coming from a new proxy system introduced by the Go project created by Google" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=f_Fc_thZBrw [23:04] TR Bot Google Was "DDoSing" SourceHut For Over A Year - Invidious [23:04] DaemonFC They have no stake in the game. They just bleed you dry with their taxes and tell you how to live. [23:04] TR News "Today, in a 5-4 ruling, the Supreme Court blocked a Texas law that would bar social media companies from engaging in most forms of content moderation. Public Knowledge applauds the NetChoice v. Paxton ruling against Texas law HB20." https://publicknowledge.org/victory-for-internet-users-and-free-speech-as-scotus-blocks-texas-online-speech-regulation-law/ [23:04] TR Bot Victory for Internet Users and Free Speech as SCOTUS Blocks Texas Online Speech Regulation Law - Public Knowledge [23:05] DaemonFC And now they're worried that the states are starting to get sick of it and are electing people who are anti-federal government to the federal government. [23:18] *isak has quit (connection closed) [23:21] TR News This boils down not to a flaw but people installing malware https://threatpost.com/enemybot-malware-targets-web-servers-cms-tools-and-android-os/179765/ [23:21] TR Bot Malware Targets Web Servers, CMS Tools and Android OS | Threatpost [23:22] TR News Freeing up of hundreds of millions of IPv4 addresses mooted - Networking - iTnews https://www.itnews.com.au/news/freeing-up-of-hundreds-of-millions-of-ipv4-addresses-mooted-580689 Source: itnews [23:22] TR Bot Freeing up of hundreds of millions of IPv4 addresses mooted - Networking - iTnews [23:23] TR News Media bought and paid for: "Intel Editorial" https://www.valdostadailytimes.com/news/business/intel-editorial-accelerated-innovations-for-sustainable-open-hpc/article_affb30c2-cb13-51b5-8563-4cbb7478ec3d.html [23:23] TR Bot Editorial: Accelerated Innovations for Sustainable, Open HPC | Business | valdostadailytimes.com [23:35] TR News This is a Windows issue. Microsoft is on a FUD campaign against "Linux", not just this EEE. https://www.techradar.com/news/hackers-could-turn-windows-subsystem-for-linux-into-a-secret-weapon [23:35] TR Bot could turn Windows Subsystem for Linux into a secret weapon | TechRadar [23:36] TR News A free customizable tool for easy integration of microfluidics and smartphones https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-13099-z [23:36] TR Bot A free customizable tool for easy integration of microfluidics and smartphones | Scientific Reports [23:40] *phebus has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:42] DaemonFC https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/04/new-florida-law-banning-tech-from-deplatforming-politicians-is-a-mess/?utm_campaign=05_29_2022&utm_medium=email&utm_source=tpfp_newsletter&utm_content=arstechnica_article [23:42] TR Bot Disney gets special theme park exception to Floridas anti-tech bill | Ars Technica [23:42] DaemonFC " Social media services may not shadow ban political candidates or news sites." [23:42] DaemonFC Well, then it would be very easy for me to get around Reddit's shadowbanning. [23:43] DaemonFC I could file a declaration of candidacy as a write-in candidate, for anything, including Governor of the state. [23:43] DaemonFC And then Reddit would have to unban me or be sued and face serious damages. [23:43] *phebus (~phebus@f95gnd3zj7732.irc) has joined #techrights [23:45] DaemonFC It doesn't matter if you don't get votes. As soon as the petition is on file, you're a candidate, and then social media content moderation no longer applies to you. [23:46] bnchs social media services may not shadow ban anyone regardless [23:46] bnchs either ban them [23:46] bnchs or don't [23:47] psydruid Windows Subsystem for faking Linux [23:47] schestowitz_TR2 'Linux' [23:48] schestowitz_TR2 a car on 3 wheels [23:48] schestowitz_TR2 or car on a skateboard [23:56] DaemonFC I washed the car again today. [23:56] DaemonFC One of those trees got me really good with some kind of green pollen. [23:56] DaemonFC Thankfully, those waterless wash kits are pretty cheap to use on an ongoing basis. [23:57] DaemonFC So if you have to wash the car a couple times a week it's only like $5-6 total instead of going to the automatic wash twice at $10-11 each time. [23:57] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:57] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:59] DaemonFC You can go through the automatic wash for $6, but it's an absolute ripoff. THey hardly give you any soap, there's no wax, no tire shine, your car comes out filthy, and you still don't get an underbody spray.